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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day Strikes Back!

Published at: July 26, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes pic! So, The Empire Strikes Back turns 30 years old this year and thanks to a loving reader and Star Wars junky I find myself with a plethora of great pictures from that particular installment. I thought I loved the movie, but 98% of these pictures were new to me. So, instead of dumping them all at once (where’s the fun in that?) or turning this column into Behind of the Scenes Pic From The Empire Strikes Back of the Day I figured the best solution was to pepper an Empire pic in very liberally… once or twice a week or until it starts getting old. But I doubt it’ll get old. These pictures are amazing, the movie is amazing and we’re all nerds for this flick, right? So, let’s kick it off with young Skywalker pulling double duty as Rebel pilot and slate handler:

That’s just the tip of the iceberg, squirts. Tons of greatness in store over the next weeks and months! If you have a pic you think should be included email me. I’m looking for the iconic, the rare, the just plain cool behind the scenes shots to feature here. Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes pic features another well known rebel. See ya’ then! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



Previous Behind the Scenes pics: - Alien
- Big Trouble In Little China
- Clash of the Titans
- Dr. Strangelove
- Sesame Street
- The Birds
- The Dark Knight
- Batman (1989)
- Batman: The TV Series
- Stephen King’s IT
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
- Superman
- The French Connection
- Tron
- The Road Warrior
- Ghostbusters
- King Kong (’33)

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  • July 26, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    ESB RULES

    by kingralphuk

    ...almost as much as I do for being 1st. :-p

  • July 26, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    In May 1979....

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I was finishing the third grade.<p> And waiting for ESB with a boner.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The photos in the upcoming Lucas book

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...attest that there's lots of great Carrie Fisher shots, with her lounging around on set looking just f*cktacular

  • July 26, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Nice.

    by Yelsaeb

  • July 26, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Teh Suk... fuck off!

    by LordPorkington

    Lame? You're obviously not a movie buff and therefore do *NOT* belong on this talkback, or even on this site. Now jog on and go and watch Transformers 2 or whatever it is that dumb kids do these days. Jeez, the nerve of some people...

  • July 26, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Wasn't TESB filmed at the same studios

    by alan_poon

    and the same time as The Shining?

  • July 26, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    ahhh

    by Arch Nemesis

    greatest movie in the world.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Teh Suk

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You do not believe?<p> That is why you fail.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    They should have one...

    by Flexfill

    of Yoda holding the clacker.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    great column so pic

    by Stifler's Mom

    but there are so many better Star Wars pics out there...

  • July 26, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Lando with a Colt 45

    by Abominable Snowcone

    make it happen.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I love this feature....

    by Danjak

    I already check in to this site almost daily, but this new behind the scenes picture thing really has me coming back for more.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The Empire Strikes Back

    by elsewhere

    One of my favorite films of all time and the best Star Wars movie.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    In ESB

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The falcon had no hyperdrive. When it comes to describing the film, there can be no hyperbole.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    If this column alternated between

    by God's Brother

    ESB and Temple of Doom pics I'd be totally fine with that. Oh, and Ghostbusters.

  • July 26, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    The recent EW issue that previewed the

    by skimn

    upcoming Empire book has some great behind the scenes shots. My favorite had Luke/Mark atop a Taun Taun that is the exact pose for the poster. Had to chuckle at the old school clapper with the chalked in info in this photo.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone, pics of Carrie

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    You mean looking fucktacular like this?<p> http://tinyurl.com/leiaesb

  • July 26, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Three movies that MUST come out on Blu this year

    by skimn

    Raiders, Empire and Aliens. I know Aliens is coming out in a huge, I'm sure, expensive set, as is the Back To The Future trilogy. But Raiders and Empire??? C'mon guys.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Cleave

    by Cleave

    Would much rather see a pic of them filming the saber duel or doing the model stuff or something. This isn't too interesting. Love this column though, keep it up.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by HapaPapa72

    That thought popped in my head a half second before I saw what you wrote. Hilarious. And I'm sure such a pic exists....somewhere. Billy Dee's attic, probably.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Wrath of Khan was better!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Than Return of The Jedi, at least. By the way, the first Star Wars (Episode IV) was the best of the series. Empire was second best. Return of the Jedi was third. I won't even rank the prequels. I'd rather not have to remember them.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Movie That Rearranged My Psyche As A Child

    by LaserPants

    Seriously, I was like, what 8 years old when ESB came out and it totally and completely blew my mind. To this day I still love it; now it's more of with a nostalgic fondness than a religious fervor, but boy is this a great movie. The Star Wars Trilogy rules.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    inexplicable

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Exactly! That's one of many similar shots. There's also a few of the cast just fooling around, like Hamill playing with Fisher's hair aboard the rebel medical frigate. <p> HapaPapa: Yeah, I can imagine Lando / Billy Dee doing a commercial for Colt 45:<p> "Hi, I'm Lando Calrissian--administrator of this facility. And when I'm feeling fatigued after a long hard day of implementing policy and reaching negotiations that will keep the Empire out of here for good, I like to kick back with an ice cold Colt .45, right outta the carbon freezing chamber...Ahhh, that's a might fine beverage. And now I'm going to call the fine ladies. HellOOOO...and who might YOU be?"

  • July 26, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ANH better than ESB?

    by elsewhere

    I don't understand that logic, but you're entitled to your opinion.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    let's get some Return of the Jedi love!

    by BadMrWonka

    I know people hate it because it's not dark enough, but some of us were the right age where RotJ was the only star wars movie we saw in the theater, and we loved those fucking ewoks!<p>somewhere out there is a behind the scenes pic of an ewok with his head off, and I want to see it!<p>(and yes, I tried "behind the scenes ewok" and "ewok head off" in google, and nothing.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    alan_poon

    by secretcylon

    Yes Empire and The Shining were filed on the same lot but I don't think they were filmed at the same time. In fact, I'm pretty sure that The Shining went over-schedule (naturally) thereby holding up production on ESB.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Why ESB is better than ANH

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Story, character development, heroes in constant danger, YODA, Leia with new hairdos, BOBAFUCKING FETT, At-Ats, Wampas, BOSSK, probe droids, snowspeeders, Darth unmasked (from behind), Darth choking bitches left and right, Millenium Falcon dodging asteroids sans hyperdrive, C3P0 dismembered--finally validating his constant doom and gloom, LANDO, carbon freezing, cliffhanger ending, Luke vs Darth, part 1, I AM YOUR FATHER

  • July 26, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by LaserPants

    Pretty much summed it up. I love ANH, but I LOVE ESB.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    get a pick of...

    by Sailor Rip

    Jeremy Bulloch in the suit without his helmet on.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Ah, yes. The days when Carrie Fisher was all coked up.

    by Snake Foreskin

    You guys find her hot?<p> http://www.contactmusic.com/photos.nsf/main/carrie_fisher_5397465<p> You sure?

  • July 26, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Thanks Quint.....

    by Darth_Kaos

    You made my day. ESB is not only the best SW movie ever made, but it's also my favorite movie of all time. I would gladly do a side by side comparison to any second Sequel ever made (Including the beloved Dark Knight). But I think Abominable hit on some of the points!

  • July 26, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    fuck that

    by lostboytexas

    i thought it was Jay + Silent Bob Strikes Back. quit cock teasing mofo!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Snowcone: spoiler warning???

    by firewhale

    How about a fucking spoiler warning? I mean, I know I'm late to the party, but I DO plan on seeing these movies at some point and I'm assuming you just gave up a bunch of major plot points! Okay, just kidding. Seriously, you gave all the solid reasons why ESB is superior to ANH. DOES DARTH VADER NEED TO CHOKE A BITCH?

  • July 26, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I second the love for Return of the jedi

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I would have been 6 when i first saw it, and growing up it was always my favorite, In my later years empire would take it's place as my favourite star wars, but i still have a great fondness for RotJ

  • July 26, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Whatever, Darth_Kaos . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    Looks like somebody never saw a little film I call Piranha II: The Spawning.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Of Course She's Banged Up NOW

    by LaserPants

    But in her prime she was pretty hot. For my geek fetish dollar, she looked her hottest in ESB. I mean, yeah, I know she looks hot in the slave costume, but she was in her physical prime on this one, def with her demure, though form fitting Space Snow Bunny thang goin on.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Quint vs. Vern

    by blunted666

    Locked in eternal battle over whose columns I appreciate more

  • July 26, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Laser

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I think they even had her in other costumes and hairstyles that never made the movie

  • July 26, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Star Wars trumps them all because it was the first...

    by Snake Foreskin

    It introduced Darth Vader in all his black-helmeted glory. It introduced lightsabers! Mother effin' lightsabers! Ben Kenobi swinging a lightsaber in the cantina! Hell, the cantina! It introduced space battles with X-Wings, Y-Wings and Tie-Fighters. It introduced the Millenium Falcon, Star Destroyers, the Death Star, Stormtroopers, and the whole frickin' SW universe. And because of that, it will remain THE Star Wars movie. <p> Sure, ESB one-upped it with better battles, better lightsaber duels, etc. But the absolute magic of seeing that universe for the first time makes the first Star Wars movie stand out as THE classic. Don't get me wrong - I love Empire! But I will always prefer the first because it was the purest Star Wars experience for me. Does that make any sense?

  • July 26, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    ROTJ > ESB

    by lucky slevin

    the Emperor is my shit.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    the best star wars was the one with

    by lostboytexas

    fucking mork from orc in it.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    incredible

    by sith_rising

    that this film was actually made in the 70's. with the exception of a stop-motion tautaun, it's flawless (visually, anyways). huge plotholes, but other than that, perfect sets, music, costumes, vehicles, etc.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    ESB is proff that producer/studio interference can work

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Irvin kirshner was a director in name only, Producer george lucas was really calling the shots and even he was getting remark from the studio about meeting deadlines and keeping budget down. But in the end we got one of the greatest films of all time... why didn't all that producer/studio medling work for stuff like Wolverine or clash of the titans?

  • July 26, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Think of Empire as the creamy tasty middle

    by skimn

    of an Oreo. It holds the whole cookie together, and is the tastiest part of the cookie.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Scruffy-looking nerfherder

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Back then I wanted some of Leia's creamy tasty middle

  • July 26, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    by Atticus Finch

  • July 26, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I Love These!!

    by Edited_Out

    Don't know how much weight positive comments carry anymore, but to anyone at AICN who is listening, I love this new column and all the great pics! Thanks for sharing!

  • July 26, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The best movie of all time

    by Atticus Finch

    is The Empire Strikes Back. Followed closely by Raiders of the Lost Ark.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Um, that's kinda boring isn't it?

    by RPLocke

    Besides, I've seen this photo many times before.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Why the hell did they make Mark hold the damn slate?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Was it too crammed for the slate guy to stick in the frame? This shot is somewhere in the WAY EXCELLENT Star Wars doc. on the OT DVD set and I was always bugged by that.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Atticus

    by Abominable Snowcone

    followed by MegaForce.<p> Jaws still tops my list--but Rocky, Raiders and ESB are all in the top ten. Probably top five

  • July 26, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    please

    by dagwood

    make the next ones clickable and thereby larger. thanks

  • July 26, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    oh, RPLocke

    by BadMrWonka

    you just have to take a big, whiny dump on anything that people are enjoying, don't you?<p>and that dump is called Kingdom of the Crystal Skull! zing!!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    favourite ESB story on that doc

    by Tall_Boy66

    Hamill has an earpiece so he can hear Frank Oz doing Yoda from underneath the set and if he leaned far enough to the right or the left he could pick up a local radio station so they'd be in the middle of a take and Hammill would go "Hey, I got the Stones on here!" and Ivin Kirshner would be all, "Dammit! CUT!" Oh and speaking of Star Wars, I got really loaded and saw Star Wars in Concert in Hamilton on Saturday. Twice in one day. It was way awesome, Tony D knows how to SELL his lines with conviction, yo.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Shut up, RPLocke

    by Sicuv Uyall

    The best Star Wars out of the only 2 good ones out there. The rest sucked, and Wrath of Khan was only better than Return of the Jedi. Meanwhile, the new Star Trek was the best Star Trek and better than the first Star Wars... that's right, i said it, bitches. Get over it!

  • July 26, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    "Dak? Dak!

    by Tacom

    Wedge I've lost my gunner! You're going to have to make this shot!" I love the Battle of Hoth.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "How you doing Dak?"<p> "I feel like I could take on the whole Empire myself."<p> "Really? Cos that would be awesome. Hey everybody, Dak says he's got this one covered!"

  • July 26, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    CobraKai

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Is that from Something Something Dark Side?

  • July 26, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Sicuv Uyall

    by BadMrWonka

    though I enjoy poking fun at RPLocke as much as the next guy, you're an idiot.<p> and your name, are you serious? did you even THINK about it for a second before choosing it? if you say it out loud it's, "sick of you y'all" that sounds borderline mentally retarded. why not 'Sicuv Yuall"?<p>I'll lay off now, because I'm guessing you're around 13 years old. but dude, seriously?

  • July 26, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by RPLocke

    No, that dump is called Inception. I hear it's putting people to sleep all over the world.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by RPLocke

    Lucas was on the set the entire time, and he edited the movie. I just think its hilarious people think lucas had nothing to do with EMPIRE. uh yeah, he only created the damn thing. Idiots.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    ROTJ IS THE BEST - CUZ OF NAKED JABBA

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's right, I have a thing for Jabba. Out of the closet and into the open!! It feels good!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Animated Series Joker > Luke Skywalker

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    Yes, it's true!

  • July 26, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by BadMrWonka

    now you're onto Inception? really?<p>you just have to be contrary. Crystal Skull is great! Inception sucks! Groundhog Day is not delightful! when A Christmas Story is on TV, I go elsewhere!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    WHY DINT THEY JUST BLOW UP HOTH?

    by BringingSexyBack

    The empire's not known for subtlety you know.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Abom, "Get ready to suck some Dak!"<p> Yes it is. Best gag in the show says the Dojo.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    If Lucas had been allowed on that set

    by BooBoosDaddy

    He would have tried to CGI in the slate, because he doesn't "get actors."

  • July 26, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by RPLocke

    Jeez dude, chill out. Check your blood pressure. Oh, and Close Encounters is boring, too.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    RPLOCKE AKA THE CONTRARIAN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Always gotta be a character around here.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by BadMrWonka

    I bet you wished Salacious Crumb would sit on your fat folds, didn't you, you dirty monkey?

  • July 26, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Abom, and you can call me Cobra! No need for formalities after all we bin through... Nam and all..

  • July 26, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Bottoms up

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The whole movie is pretty much them traveling in the falcon at "normal" speed, albeit dodging Tie fighters, star destroyers, and asteroids. <p> Moreover, the Empire LET them get away because Darth knew Boba Fett was tracking them. That's how--with their own lightspeed--Darth and co. beat the gang to Bespin.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    WHY DID IT TAKE THE EMPEROR 20 YEARS TO DISSOLVE THE SENATE?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 26, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Why did Vader kill that Admrial for coming to close

    by RPLocke

    to Hoth? Weren't they going to attack anyway?

  • July 26, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Every clap of that slate...

    by Rhinosaur

    ...is another moment closer to the end of your movie career, Mark.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Cobra

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, I just wanted to make sure the post caught yer eye in the event it wasn't like, the next one down

  • July 26, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Because they lost the element of surprise; the Rebels picked 'em up on scan and knew they were coming (apart from the probe droids)<p> I've thought way too much about this...

  • July 26, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    How come in all three prequels

    by Sailor Rip

    there is not ONE SHOT of a ship going into hyperdrive from inside the ship? <p> It's one of the most iconic shots and wowed auiences the first time in ANH.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Luke looks like Admiral Ackbar in that pic.

    by FlickaPoo

  • July 26, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    WHY DIDN'T VADER USE THE FORCE TO STOP THE FALCON?

    by BringingSexyBack

    He could've Force choked the external inertial dampeners.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    OH YEAH, THEY KILLED THE DEATH STAR IN ANH

    by BringingSexyBack

    I forgot ...

  • July 26, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Speaking of 30 year old movies....

    by Ronald Raygun

    Quint, PLEASE post the Blues Brothers meeting Tommy Chong picture you said someone sent you. I'm a Blues Brothers fanatic and have never seen this picture.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I suspect because he was too busy choking bitches. Or if you need an 'excuse' why he didn't do the obvious, I like to pretend it's harder to force-control objects that are already in motion<p> BENNNNNN why didn't you TELLLMEEEEEE? FUCKER!

  • July 26, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Vader was almost as big a pussy as Lieutenant Worf

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    All talk and bluster but always getting his ass kicked in a fight.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Lucas was the man behind all 6 SW films

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    People do like to say that he had nothing to do with empire, but thats a crock, even carrie fisher has remarked that Irvin yeld action and cut, but everyone looked to lucas for any decision made during filming because they all knew he was the boss. <P>I don't think George ever really liked to direct, he probabaly did a new hope because no one would have gotten ghis vision right, and i think he just did the prequels to please fans and by that point he was head of a huge corporation and his pride wasn't going to let him hand over the director's chair to someone else (even if he didn't have the passion anymore). Lucas to me always seems more intersted in the pieces that make a film, like effects, editing and script he seems to be bored when he's directing and probabaly why he doesn't do that much of it. He's still one of the most influential people in the history of cinema, but he'll never make a best director's of all time list

  • July 26, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Nope Redbull and Locke

    by white_vader

    You've both got it wrong. Sure Lucas was there, but he wasn't happy that Kirshner wasn't playing sycophant. He still says it's his least favourite of all the movies. It was mostly his money, and he was freaking the fuck out at IK's quality-driven directing. In name only my arse. That's exactly why he got a yes-man on Jedi, and the recycling of discarded ideas began. Idiots.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Speaking of which

    by Abominable Snowcone

    After Darth tells Luke he's his dad, why doesn't Luke ask about mom? Wasn't that an obvious question? As in, "So YOU'RE my dad? How's mom? Is SHE an asshole, too?"<p> And then Darth could have said, "Sorry--she's not with us anymore. I force-choked the bitch right before you were born, which killed her"

  • July 26, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    You are right though Redbull on one thing

    by white_vader

    He's an editor at heart, and likes to play with the puzzle pieces.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    "Luke, you do not yet know the power..."

    by Abominable Snowcone

    "I have Yankee tickets for tonight, let's go"

  • July 26, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I love this feature!

    by MarionRavenwood

    Keep 'em coming! I LOOOOVE anything having to do with behind-the-scenes information.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by RPLocke

    But the Rebels knew they were coming already because of the probe droid. And the Rebels had an invisible shield anyway. The Imperials couldn't bomb from space because of the shield.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    LOOK, WE CAN PICK APART ESB UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME

    by BringingSexyBack

    But no doubt it is the best overall movie of the series. Though I think ROTJ had two equally praise-worthy moments in the Luke vs. Vader climax.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    white_vader

    by RPLocke

    Lucas hand picked Kersh to direct. And got HUGE ass fines from the directors guild because he didn't put credits on ESB. Did you know Lucas wanted Kersh to direct Jedi, but Lucas faced a fine for that too because Kersh wasn't part of the guild?

  • July 26, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Vader did beat an old man - Obi Wan - who gave up

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    But lost to amateur in Tie fight. Beat amateur (sort of) in light saber duel -amateur got away. Lost to same dude a few years later when all marbles on the line. Vader is a pussy - with a good voice.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    THE REBELS SHOULD'VE SKEEDADDLED AS SOON AS THEY SAW

    by BringingSexyBack

    the probe droid. But that's neither here not there.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Now Yoda - was a bad ass who backed it up

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Kicked Dooku's ass, fought Emperor to stand still -and he was already ancient.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Which one bigger pussy? Vader or Worf?

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Gotta go with Worf as bigger pussy but not by too much.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip:

    by Sith Witch

    Lucas has said he intentionally left that out of eps. 1-3 so that when it occurs in pt. 4 it'd be extra spectacular (watching them all chronologically).

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    RP

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yes, the droid was the first tip, but when the imperial fleet came out of LSPD too fast, the rebels knew it was them fo sho and were able to begin their evacuation, as opposed to being taken by surprise

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Why did the Rebels waste all that time

    by RPLocke

    attacking the At At's anyway? Getting out was the main objective.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Lucas has never liked unions

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    hell he has always ran into a lot of problems from the DGA and the SAG. During the making of episode 3 he wanted Gary Oldman to voice grievious, but Oldman wouldn't do it because Lucas uses non union actors, so Lucas hired gave the job to a sound engineer from ILM and probabaly didn't pay him, lol. But it's no suprise, ILM works alot like Pixar if someone's voice works then Lucas uses him whether or not they are a trained actor

  • July 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I ENJOY FORCE-CHOKING, BUT NOT IN PUBLIC BATHROOMS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Unless it's after hours and the office is empty, cuz I'm pretty vocal when I do it.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    ESB is a great movie though - never hate on that

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Just always thought Vader was over rated.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    epire strikes back? WTF is that?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    never heard of it

  • July 26, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    RP

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I think the speeders and ground crew were just buying time for a few of the transports to get off-world. Either that, or they all took some kamikaze oath we didn't see

  • July 26, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    The Shining....

    by Cagliostro

    Overlook Hotel Interior was shot on the same stage that was used for "Well of Souls" in Raiders. Empire was supposed to shoot there right after Shining but it caught fire due to all of the lights used to make it look like daylight outside of the Hotel and production was moved.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Empire strikes back is good

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    but it's no Operation Dumbo Drop... where the hell are the ODD behind the scene pics?

  • July 26, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Two fighters against a Star Destroyer!!

    by RPLocke

    Everyone looked at Hobbie and laughed hard. He was a kidder.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    RP, are you being this thick on purpose?

    by just pillow talk

    Of course the rebels were just delaying the Empire so that the rest of the resistence could get the fuck outta there.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    COLT .45: THE DRINK OF CHOICE FOR SPACE PIRATES

    by BringingSexyBack

    and Administrators of Cloud City.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    huh

    by Dollar Bird

    Saw this pic on ffffound the other day and thought about sending it into Quint, but thought it was too dull to post here. Guess I was wrong. ESB is still my favorite, though. Much love.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Darth was not overrated, at least for this movie

    by just pillow talk

    As those said above, he choked bitches left and right, and took his own son's hand without a second thought cause he got downright pissy after getting whacked by his son's saber.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    RPLOCKE'S A CONTRARIAN - RESPOND ACCORDINGLY!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 26, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Worf beat his kid in one ep. Vader beat his kid - sort of

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Whenever it counted both Vader and Worf would lose. All bluster.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS - LUKE WAS HAPPY OWEN AND BERU GOT FRIED

    by BringingSexyBack

    It was his ticket outta that sandtrap. Who can blame him? Blue milk is not worth getting up in the morning for.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I LIKE HOW LUKE MOURNED THE LOSS OF THE OWEN AND BERU

    by BringingSexyBack

    for like 10 minutes, and then was ordering drinks at the Cantina like it was nothing.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to Adywan's lovingly-enhanced....

    by Cervantes

    ....'EMPIRE:Revisited' fanedit next year. If it's anything like his first one, it should look amazing.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    October

    by TheJudger

    Damn I hate that I have to wait that long for the BTS Empire book. There used to be this site it had nothing but BTS star wars pics and I mean like rare rare rare pics. I saved a shit ton of them but I was hit with the antivirus virus, so they are just memories now. I wish i could remember the sites name. It was flah base. It wasnt T-bonez it was something elese it had a year by year catalog of all the promo and BTS starwars images through out the last 30+ years.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Vader was a bully who choked those with no power

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Whenever he met anyone with enough midiclorox - he either won on technicality (Obi Wan gave up), lost ouright - Luke destroyed Death Star. Lost the objective (capturing Luke). Or lost outight again - Luke whooping that ass in ROTJ. Worf, was just as bad, although I am having hard time remembering him beating anyone - except his son is a practice duel.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    ESB kinda sucks

    by Rupee88

    Making them all related was piss poor writing...I mean Luke and Vader and Leia. The first SW is the only good one.

  • July 26, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I HEAR CHEWBACCA'S A DISTANT COUSIN

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 26, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Vader: A bullying pussy with good voice. Worf: Ditto

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Search your feeling - you know this to be true

  • July 26, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    NEVER FORCE CHOKE WITH DRY HANDS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Keep lotion handy at all times.

  • July 26, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    I hear Lindsey lohan likes a good force choke.

    by RPLocke

  • July 26, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Hells Yeah!

    by th3480

    Start a new column - The ESB behind the scenes pic of the day!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Lohan likes a 'bullying pussy' - to lick

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    And she is somebody's 'butch' in the jernt right now!

  • July 26, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    How about a behind the scenes pic

    by HapaPapa72

    Of the scarred and maskless Vader in his meditation chamber?

  • July 26, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Welcome to RPLocke's world

    by kwisatzhaderach

    where Close Encounters and Blade Runner are boring. <p> Jesus wept.

  • July 26, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    THURSDAY NIGHTS ARE FORCE CHOKE NIGHTS AT MY HOUSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    It keeps my marriage invigorated and interesting.

  • July 26, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Jesus wept when The Wolfman came out last year

    by RPLocke

    BAD!!

  • July 26, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    STILL NO HI-RES!!!

    by frg10

    Are we in Middle Ages for Fucks Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Fantastic

    by slave to the one

    I look forward to the pics, keep 'em coming Quint!

  • July 26, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Best. Movie. Ever.

    by SithMenace

    Period.

  • July 26, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I still love how rebel pilots don't require a breath mask.

    by Royston Lodge

    Those fighters must be REALLY well-built! NOTHING can crack the seal on that cockpit!<p> There must be a forcefield surrounding the cockpit.<p> Ah forcefields, is there anything they CAN'T do? ;-)

  • July 26, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    How do the pilots in X Wings eject?

    by RPLocke

  • July 26, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Great pic. Can't get enough ESB-related stuff.

    by kevred

    I need to look up this book that everyone's talking about. Hope that it devotes plenty of time & visual space to the designs and effects work, as well as the actors. Quite possibly my favorite film of all time.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    CHOPPAH, a guy with an AICN account is saying, "grow up"?

    by kevred

    Did you come to this site to talk about Proust and Dostoyevsky?

  • July 26, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    That's why the Emperor kept Vader with military

    by Fuzzyjefe

    personnel only. Can you imagine Vader on Curuscant; walks into a restaurant, no tables available....until he force-chokes the party of 7 in the corner. <p> His drink not at the bar? "I find your lack of blue milk disturbing." Force-choke on the bartender.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Rebel pilots woulda looked way badass with breath masks.

    by Royston Lodge

    Lucas missed the boat on that design decision. I submit the following as evidence:<p> http://tinyurl.com/22jvl9u

  • July 26, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Best line in Something Something Dark Side

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Why are you wearing Han's clothes? Seriously, watch the actual movie, Lando is wearing Han's clothes. It's really weird." The Dak stuff is awesome too, though. And "I would give my right hand for this day to just end!" It's fresh in my mind cause I watched it Sat. night after Star Wars in Concert. But the Family Guy Star Wars parodies rock, even if you hate the show. "I'll call you from the kneepad. I said I'LL CALL YOU FROM THE KNEEPAD!!"

  • July 26, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Love ESB...

    by angry_spacboy

    ...HATE the special edition. The dumping of the utterly pointless 'Vader leaving Bespin/returning to Executor' segment into the ending just fucking destroys the pacing of this films flawless finale.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    The Empire Strikes Back

    by SminkyPinky

    A proper movie.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    angry_spacboy

    by RPLocke

    Yeah, cause the whole movie was about Vader going back to the Destroyer.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by angry_spacboy

    ...What the fuck was changing Boba Fetts voice all about!?? He must have about five lines in the whole fucking movie, but it sounds like what Boba Fett should sound like. Now we have some fucking two-bit actor, who sounds like he's reading the lines for the first time in his life.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    angry_spacboy

    by RPLocke

    The voice was changed to make him sound more like the Clone troopers which were based on him.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I wish we could get a Special Edition Lite.

    by Royston Lodge

    No extra scenes. No new special effects. No new music.<p> Just remaster and color-correct the image, remaster the audio, and remove the annoying black boxes around the ships.<p> That's all I ask. Really.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    RPLocke...

    by angry_spacboy

    They were based on Jango Fett smart ass.

  • July 26, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    How can Bossk

    by ObiBen

    manage to put his pants on?

  • July 26, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Boba Fett's identity should have been left a mystery.

    by Royston Lodge

    It would have been way cooler if Boba Fett was never mentioned in the prequels.<p> Like, say we are introduced to Jango Fett and we learn that he's the template for the clonetroopers, but Boba Fett is never mentioned.<p> That would have INCREASED the mystery and badassery inherent in Boba Fett. The fanboys would have lit the Internet up with debates over Boba Fett's identity:<p> - Is he a clone? Maybe a deserter?<p> - Is he a relative of Jango?<p> - Is Fett actually a title or a rank, rather than a family name?<p> Lucas didn't realize that these sorts of questions and ambiguities actually FEED fanboys' devotion to a franchise. If you leave these sorts of questions hanging out there, the fanboys will be COMPELLED to keep buying your shit in the hopes of learning any new scrap of information.<p> Hell, isn't that why the Thrawn Trilogy sold so well?<p> By trying to answer every little plot point, Lucas cut off a lot of potential material for badass novels and comic books.<p> Anybody know if the post-prequel Star Wars novels sell as well as the pre-prequel ones?<p> How about sales figures of the D20 Star Wars role-playing game vs. the West End Games Star Wars role-playing game?

  • July 26, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    ObiBen: Space fabric, my good man!

    by Royston Lodge

    His pants are made of space-spandex, which uses teeny-tiny forcefields instead of elastic.<p> Remember, whenever something doesn't make sense, the answer is always forcefields. ;-)

  • July 26, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    ESB is my all time FAV!!!!!

    by Annie The Pod Racer

    God damm what a cool pic, only if we could see Dak picking his nose back there or something. Maybe next pic-

  • July 26, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66: That is a very good line, but...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...my favourite line from Something, Something, Something Dark Side will always be:<p> "You can't use that word! Only WE can use that word!"

  • July 26, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66: My second-favourite line...

    by Royston Lodge

    Luke: "All right. Is this thing good to go?"<p> Medical Droid: "Yeah, but practice on a hot dog first. Otherwise you might rip your dick off."

  • July 26, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Thanks Royston Lodge

    by ObiBen

    What a weight off my mind...I kept imagining Ackbar screaming "It's a trap!" while putting his shirt on in the morning...These burning unresolved questions made me crazy...CRAZY I TELL YOU!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    angry_spacboy

    by RPLocke

    Yes, and guess who redid Boba's voice? Tem Morrison, the guy who played Jango.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66: My third-favourite line...

    by Royston Lodge

    Leia: I love you.<p> Han: Fuck off.<p> The thing about Han's clothes might make it into the #4 or #5 spot on the quotables hit-parade.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    ObiBen: I'm not sure Mon Calamari are vertebrates.

    by Royston Lodge

    If they evolved from squid, maybe they don't have a hard skeleton, and they can just squish into their uniform?<p> See? Forcefields are always a simpler answer. You can never go wrong with forcefields.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    An ESB talkback. What was AICN thinking!

    by Royston Lodge

    This thing could go on longer than a LOSTback!

  • July 26, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    angry_spaceboy, I have a feeling that....

    by Cervantes

    ....you'd like what Adywan is doing, and search his version out when it's released next year. His 'Special Edition' will restore the original end pacing, along with Boba's original voice, among many other things.<P>If you haven't seen it yet, then type in Adywans Empire Strikes Back:Revisited-FINAL TRAILER!<p>It's been delayed till sometime next year now, but will be worth the wait.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    What a great feature this is. Thanks.

    by Mennen

  • July 26, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    RPLocke: How do X-Wing pilots eject?

    by Royston Lodge

    I believe the entire cockpit separates from the rest of the ship.<p> Of course, it's held together with forcefields...

  • July 26, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge - Calamari

    by ObiBen

    Are clearly evolved from Cruid, a crabfish and squid hybrid. You can eat'em in a nice salad, but you need a shell cracker for the claws.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    This column is the bizzomb

    by Jollymorphic

  • July 26, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Cervantes

    by RPLocke

    Yeah, and Adywan also adds about two billion At Ats to the Hoth battle.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Er....of course have to type that into YouTube!

    by Cervantes

    Forgot to mention that!

  • July 26, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    NOT TRUE RPLocke, as will be revealed next year...

    by Cervantes

  • July 26, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Cervantes: Thanks for the headsup on Adywans!

    by Royston Lodge

    I didn't know that existed. That's exactly the kind of "Special Edition Lite" I was talking about.<p> I'll have to download Adywan's A New Hope remix as soon as I get home tonight.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    You want rare SW pics?

    by catlettuce4

    Not to steal the thunder of this column (which is great), but... if you like rare and behind the scenes Star Wars stuff, check this out. You won't be sorry. starwarsarchives.com

  • July 26, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    TallBoy66

    by HapaPapa72

    "Lando's not a system, he's a black guy."

  • July 26, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Cervantes

    by RPLocke

    Adywan's Tie FIghter battle for A New Hope was cartoony. All he does is suck the color out of scenes and puts in cartoony effects.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Late 70's/early 80's ILM was THE BEST

    by BoStrike1

    I truly believe that the balance between what one could do with special effects and how hard it was to achieve them reached its zenith during this era. People still had to fucking innovate to make something look real. Check out the modified football helmet and seat belt from a car. The FX from ESB, Raiders, and Aliens are the best ever because really talented people had to reach really deep to produce them, and the tech was just far enough that their results didn't require too much suspension of disbelief from the audience. Self imposed FX budget limitations from big named directors please! It's our only hope! (i kid, kinda)

  • July 26, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    This site needs a DIGG feature

    by A G

    amongst other options. What the fuck is with this place?

  • July 26, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    BoStrike1: Budgets aren't really the problem.

    by Royston Lodge

    In the 21st century if you impose budget limitations you're liable to end up with really cheap-looking CGI.<p> Ever see Alien Apocalypse? 'nuff said.<p> The solution isn't to restrict budgets, but rather for filmmakers to have some discipline and reserve CGI for images that would be IMPOSSIBLE to create with a practical effect.<p> Or, only use computers as a better tool for compositing practical film elements. It's WAY easier to composite bluescreen shots today thanks to computers. I wouldn't force filmmakers to go back to using an optical printer to composite their fx shots!<p> Instead of making the entire image with a computer, go back to shooting models and matte paintings but use computers to composite all the different elements together. Way easier, cheaper, and better-looking than using an optical printer.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by BoStrike1

    Yup, I was mostly just joking. But whatever the reason, directors who have budget limitations today are not coming up with the beautiful stuff they were making in the era I mentioned. I do believe it has to do with the dynamic I pointed out. What was available at the time created a "perfect" environment for FX techs to play in.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Abominable wins a lifetime supply of Colt 45

    by leo54304

    with initial drop off by Mr Billy Deeee Williams hissself!! With a few of his lady friends to make it a "special moment". And remember, "special moments" deserve a special beer. Thats why Billy Dee only drinks Colt 45. Available at 24 hour quickie marts across the USA. Please drink responsibly.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Billy Dee helps you plan the special evening

    by leo54304

    When I plan a special evening with a special lady at my pad. I always do 2 things: Keep plenty of chilled Colt 45 in the fridge and show "Don't be a menace to society while drinking your juice in the hood". After downing a six pack of colt 45, no woman can resist Billy Dee. Go on player, try it. Trust Billy Dee and colt 45 to get you some action.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Don't be a menace to society while your juice in the hood

    by leo54304

    Only movie to feature colt 45 in a starring role.

  • July 26, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Lando in Han's clothes...

    by Sailor Rip

    He really didn't have time to pack before leaving Bespin so once he showered on the Falcon he changed into some of Han's clothes.

  • July 26, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    ESB is much more than just the best SW film

    by Koborover

    It's a great film overall, it has it all really. Great story, great acting, great music, great cinematography... it's a work of art.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    WHY DIDN'T LANDO JUST GET VADER HAMMERED WITH COLT 45?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Then take pictures of his android assistant force choking him so he can blackmail him? <P> Because it makes too much sense, that's why.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    I HAVE A VERITABLE LAUNDRY LIST OF PROBLEMS WITH ESB

    by BringingSexyBack

    But maybe it's better if I kept them to myself.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    JUST ONE PIC IS SO LAME

    by Seth Brundle

    ill keep saying it!!!!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Lnando: leeeeia so glad you accepted my invitation

    by leo54304

    Sit down, sit down. You must be tired after that long flight. Just relax and let me get a smooth, ice cold colt 45 from a special 6 pack I've been saving for a special lady such as yourself.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    You don't know the power of the colt 45

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    We can get a pic of Mark Hamill

    by RPLocke

    Meanwhile some guys twitter page has footage of Ryan Reynolds saying the Green Lantern lines.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    ABOM POSTS LIKE HE'S UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF COLT 45

    by BringingSexyBack

    Which really puts him in a whole other level of posting achievement.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    IT'S CALLED "PIC OF THE DAY" FOR A REASON, SETH

    by BringingSexyBack

    Pic as in singular. Meaning you will come back tomorrow for more. And the day after. It's a goddamned marketing scheme is what it is.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    the 1rst catch of the day

    by BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBILLCOSBY

  • July 26, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Don't worry Scott

    by leo54304

    30 years from now, I'm sure AICN will do the same for Scott Pilgrim vs the world.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    How about, oh i dont know, 2 pics a time?

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    But dont go to 3 because it would be overdoing it.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Making of TESB book to be out?

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    whats all that noise about?

  • July 26, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Return of the Jedi was the only one i saw in the 97 rereleases

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    I remember choosing it because it seemed to have the most action for sitting in a theater all that time.

  • July 26, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Jedi also more rewatchable than Wars

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • July 26, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    While doing a line of coke

    by leo54304

    Thats her force!!

  • July 26, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    FORCE CHOKE: GOOD TO THE LAST DROP

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 26, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Lando changed R2D2 into a portable cooler

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    How about a STAR TREK PIC!!

    by RPLocke

    Like one with Nimoy getting his ears put on or something?!!

  • July 26, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Leia had her own light saber - a spoon

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Leia and Lando deleted scene

    by leo54304

    Leia: I love you Lando: You're still not getting my colt 45

  • July 26, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    How about THIS plot hole?

    by RPLocke

    Leia is pretty much a leader of the Rebel Alliance right? So, why don't the Rebels just bust into Jabba's palace armed and free Han?

  • July 26, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    When Chewbacca found out he was pissed!!

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately, Billy Dee Has Been Replaced...

    by Carolinamaestro

    By "The Most Interesting Man In The World". Stay thirsty my friends...

  • July 26, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    When Falcon was leaving Hoth

    by leo54304

    Couldn't Vader have stopped it using the force. Reason I ask is later in the movie, Yoda lifts Lukes ship that crashed into a swamp and stuck under a bunch of muck. And I would say Yoda and Vader were equal in force mastery.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I don't often post on websites but when I do

    by leo54304

    its on AICN. Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    His Reputation is Expanding...

    by Carolinamaestro

    Faster than the universe.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    He Once Had An Awkward Moment...

    by Carolinamaestro

    Just to see how it feels.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    He Lives Vicariously....

    by Carolinamaestro

    Through himself.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    He's...

    by Carolinamaestro

    Not Billy Dee Williams! Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    leo54304

    by RPLocke

    I wondered this too when The Falcon was escaping Bespin. Vader could contact Luke through telepathy (something that no Jedi did during the prequels).

  • July 26, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    It was when he caught Luke feeling Yodas force

    by leo54304

    Yes young Skywalker let the force flow thru you. Yessss you learn quickly young jedi. Feeel it, yes, yes. Good, good.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    I don't often watch sci fi, but when I do...

    by Carolinamaestro

    I watch The Empire Strikes Back. Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Right Luke mind at the time was a mess

    by leo54304

    Vader easily could find it (If he searched). Major gaffe on his fault. Plus by using Luke as tracer would lead Vader to the rebel base they would go to.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Sometimes when bored I like to watch ewoks die

    by leo54304

    Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I can speak wookie in french with an american dialect

    by leo54304

    Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Ewok on a spit and a colt 45 thats good living

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK

    by RPLocke

    The Rebels had a shield generator covering the base. The AY AT's were sent to knock out the shield generator. Please watch the movie next time.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    One question I have about ESB's Hoth escape

    by Tall_Boy66

    The whole point of the offensive against the AT-AT's was that they could delay time to the troop ships could take off. So when Luke takes off ("Good luck, Luke! See you at the rendevous!") just where the hell are they? Everybody looks kinda chill. No advancing Imperial horde. Are they just at the back of Echo Base, chilling out and the walkers haven't reached them yet? "Boy, it sure was smart of us to set up this launch point BEHIND the base when they're coming at us in a single direction."

  • July 26, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    And ScottPilgrimFan likes stories about Toronto hipsters

    by Tall_Boy66

    Gee, what's more fun - intergalatic battles between insane samuari monks and robots and lazer beams and planets getting blown up or Toronto vegans? Take your pick, folks.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    ESB was great

    by DeadAtRecess

    Imagine a world without the prequels or the special editions...bliss. What sort of fucking moron comes up with Jar Jar? Yeah the same kind of moron that comes up with Han Solo as a lizard or Han Solo shooting first...or Indiana Jones in a totally CGI film with Shia shouting "Whoooooooaaaaaaa!" and with his legs spread between two jeeps getting hit in the nuts with plants or swinging with monkeys...monkeys that defeat communism! And Jar Jar steps in poo...and then says "MeesaKaKaPooPooPeePeeDooDooKaKaBombad!"...now THAT is some sweet-ass writing. Very creative. Was it written in crayon? What was Star Wars without other creative minds? Oh yeah, FUCKING RETARDED. What are the prequels? They are Star Wars without other creative minds. Imagine being on a Lucasfilm production and coming up with an original creative thought? You'd be so scared to tell your fellow CGI animators about it. You'd just sit behind your PC and make digital dumbassery come to life. Blue screens rule. Practical effects? Fuck that! Just paint that shit on there! Actors shmactors! They don't need sets or real shit to interACT with! A real actor needs none of that! Oh and when writing space fantasy prequels to established space fantasy, please make sure that you don't watch the shit that you are writing the prequels for first...and DO NOT take notes if you DO happen to see the originals, because continuity would suck.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess

    by RPLocke

    Yeah, there wouldn't be websites like this, and everyone would be hating on the ewoks.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    A real actor needs none of that!

    by RPLocke

    If you really are an actor, you should be able to use your imagination. Don't theater actors have to do that?

  • July 26, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Ha!! Although it'd be depends Scarlett

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Did you know that CGI is inherently awful?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Only a practical real life set model could be so precise to appease people who saw Star Wars when they were kids in the 70s. Yep. Can't do that with CGI.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Have to admit ESB blew my mind as a kid

    by leo54304

    Cold winter afternoon matinee, big bucket popcorn, feet on the seat and taken away to worlds of ice and jungle, a floating city, an asteroid belt chase and the coolest guy in galaxy Han Solo, Vader vs Luke, THE biggest WTF moment in SW history and maybe sci fi history. Thats why I love this movie. Theres other stuff but I forget. OH YEAH NO EWOKS!!

  • July 26, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Those models were definitely incredible Tall Boy

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Weeks and months

    by StarryNight

    yawn. I hope something more interesting comes along by then. If I'm still looking at these "articles" in a few months, I'll have to do something drastic.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, as far as your reference to Adywan...

    by Cervantes

    ....that 'all he does is suck the color out of scenes and puts in cartoony effects', I wouldn't like anyone here to think that was true either.<P>It's obvious from several comments in this talkback alone that you don't seem to know what you're talking about half the time.<P>Considering that GL permitted very poorly 'color-graded' versions of his ANH and EMPIRE 'special editions' in the first place, it was great to see the color improvements that Adywan achieved. And I certainly wouldn't call the amazing additions (and many, many things he sorted!) that were done 'cartoonish' in any way, unlike some of the 'special edition' meddling that he's actually removed now!<P>Hell, he even re-did the whole soundtrack for the better. Bottom line, Adywan's work blew me and plenty others away, and continues to do so, although you're welcome to your opinion.<P>Royston Lodge, you're in for a treat.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Ewoks and cannibalism

    by Tall_Boy66

    So, the Ewoks are clearly cannibals, right? They were going to eat Han Solo. Burn him alive and eat him, actually. SO, that being said, when you see the empty stormtrooper helmets at the end or ROTJ... did that mean the Ewoks cooked the Stormtroopers alive and ate them? and the rebels are smiling all partying it up like it's no big deal? Like, did the Ewoks just fucking EAT the people who's helmets they're cheerfully banging on later? Cook them alive, too? Jesus Christ!

  • July 26, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by RPLocke

    Most of the sets in Star Wars were paintings. You do realize that right? Also, without CG, your precious Inception wouldn't have been made.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Cervantes

    by RPLocke

    Wow, you're an Adywan ass licker aren't you?

  • July 26, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, I didn't mean that

    by Tall_Boy66

    I was being sarcastic. I think people who shit on CGI and only have a hard-on for purely practical effects are tards.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Not really, but I know real talent when I see it.

    by Cervantes

    ....and can smell BS when I sniff it.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Also why is it "my precious Inception"?

    by Tall_Boy66

    I dig the movie a hell of a lot and think it's very good, and I don't think it's as good as Nolan's holy trinity of Memento, Prestige, and Dark Knight. It's a really great flick but I don't buy into this amazing "CHRISTOPHER NOLAN FUCKING CHANGED THE GAME, FROM NOW ON THERE IS ONLY ONE GAME AND IT'S NAME IS INCEPTION!!" groupthink fapping that seems to be going on.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Cervantes

    by RPLocke

    I love how poeple slack on work Lucas did but praise a guy who has an editing room in his parents basement.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    ADYWANNNNNNN

    by RPLocke

    Hates the prequels but likes the Jedi names.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Funny how everybody thought the ewoks

    by leo54304

    were fuzzy, lovable, peaceful creatures. BURP. They evenhad own cartoon show. Wow, first cartoon to feature cannibals.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Stormtrooper, finger licking good - Ewok saying

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Inception is really gonna be a pop-culture icon for years

    by Tall_Boy66

    Who the fuck needs "I am your father" when you got the imminently more quotable, "WHOSE subconscious are we going into now?" Yeah, that'll live on for decades. Uh-huh.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    No wonder aren't any homeless on Sesame Street

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Me luv hoemless!! YumYumYum!!

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    ESB made with Lucas' own money

    by Nem_Wan

    All Star Wars films except Episode IV were self-financed because Lucas wanted control. When Lucas hires a director, with the exception of Spielberg obviously, they are like a director of a TV series episode and Lucas retains the creative control and final cut of a TV showrunner. Lucasfilm is his private company, he's paying for everything, and he can do anything he wants. He is the Emperor. And just because fans imagine Boba Fett is cool and important doesn't mean Lucas ever meant for him to be more than his function in ESB, although he's happy to sell you as many Boba Fett products as you'd like.

  • July 26, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    HEY QUINT- WHAT ABOUT THE GOLDEN '50s??

    by JonChambers

    I'd love to see a bunch from the Golden 1950s!!! Remember George Pal - WAR OF THE WORLDS, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, DESTINATION MOON, THE TIME MACHINE? And what about FORBIDDEN PLANET? OR any of the great monsters from PAUL BLAISDELL - THE SHE CREATURE, INVASION OF THE SAUCERMEN? Or 1950s HARRYHAUSEN?? PLEASE DON'T NEGLECT THESE MOVIES! OR THE HAMMER PICS - CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN, HORROR OF DRACULA, THE MUMMY!!!

  • July 26, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Where did Leia get those clothes on Endor?

    by RPLocke

    Did the Ewoks just happen to have clothes laying around for a size 7 princess?

  • July 26, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    People will give a shit about Star Wars

    by rogueleader66

    A hell of a lot longer than anyone on earth will give two shits about gay douche bullshit Scott Pilgrim...seriously, in 20 years we will still be talking about Star Wars and people will be saying "Scott...who????" count on that.

  • July 26, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Clothes were left behind by prior "guests"

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    30 years later people still remember ESB,

    by leo54304

    30 days later it'll be Scott who?

  • July 26, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Ewoks would love to have her as a guest now

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Feed a lot of ewok children with that butt

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Carrie Fisher 1977-83...

    by conspiracy

    I'd have hit that flat assed, jiggly titted honey cunt like Mel Gibson slapping a Slav cunt holding a baby...</p><p>Damned shame she cleaned up. I think the lesson here boys and girls is; If you are thin and hot on drugs...stay the fuck on them..sobriety will only make you fucking ugly.

  • July 26, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Did any of you become less of a SW fan when the Special Editions

    by detectivesoap

    I actually did. I was getting into a pretty big collection too, and I just stopped...I think it was because of ROTJ's song replacements in Jabba's Palace. I liked the original song so much when I was a kid I sang it all day (in alien gibberish of course)...and then they fucked the whole band up. I wanna go back in time and kill George Lucas circa 1990, but steal his plans for the prequels and maybe make them myself. Or just burn them. Some things are holier than holy.

  • July 26, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Why does Yoda go insane on Daggaba?

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • July 26, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    ASCII graphics make for a perfect Empire S.B. illustration

    by cyberskunk

    @@

  • July 26, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Man, was I mad when I saw ESB the first time

    by RPLocke

    Han frozen? Luke and Leia and Vader related? Who's this Boba Fett guy. And it ended on a cliffhanger.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Have a dos equis beer and relax scarlett

    by leo54304

    Michael Cera is no Leonardo. The ladies that fell for Leo ranged from teenagers to ladies in their 40s. Don't see them doing repeat viewings much less even one. Michael Cera only has a small teen following and scottpilgrimfan.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Lapti Nek Forever

    by detectivesoap

    |Ab queck zenick fesi| |Zong jup col im in na hiz jal, ooh| |Wow!| |Wa toc peg qui dos gee pif, aah| |Joc jarraz bas deg zorze zot| |Jer wih tuster mo vey| |Qui neb be og ezen on| |Wok lapti nek seb not van| |Goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff| |Lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jeppi quaff| |Wow!| |Ab queck zenick fesi| |Jem wih tuster mo vey| |Qui neb be og ezen on| |Wok lapti nek seb not van| |Wah toc peg qui doz gee pif ezact| |Goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qoff| |Lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff| |Wow!| |Deg zorze zot| |Jem with tuster mo vey| |Qui neb be og ezen on| |Wok lapti nek seb not van| |Goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qoff| |Lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff| |Deg zorze zot| |Wow!| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qoff| |Lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff| |Wow!| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qoff| |Lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep| |Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff| |Wow!| <p> My girlfriend would dump me if she knew I posted this.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Did you know there was a music video to Lapti Nek?

    by RPLocke

    It's an exercise song according to the English lyrics.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    If they gave Pia Zadora one, it could happen

    by leo54304

  • July 26, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    I don't often like furry forest creatures...

    by Carolinamaestro

    ...but when I do, I prefer the Wookies. Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    A Lomg Time Ago When the Gays Were'nt All In Your Face About It.

    by future help

    -Something Something Darkside

  • July 26, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Back in the days when real movies were made

    by RPLocke

  • July 26, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Favorite movie ever!

    by jimbojones123

  • July 26, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf what are you smoking

    by MurderMostFowl

    Kershner was not only hand picked by Lucas the primary on ESB. There's a shit ton of behind the scenes footage with him. Kasdan was a great choice. <BR><BR> The real reason Empire was aesome was Lawrence Kasdan... He's responsible for the awesomeness of TWO Lucas franchises

  • July 26, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Notice how little hate compared to PT stories.

    by jimbojones123

    Once again proves that OT rules and PT would be better wiping from existance.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    tikkidonkeypunch

    by deelzbub

    I have always wondered that. By the end of Empire, even, his tone has changed and he's a wise old man. But starts out as a freakin nut! Poking at R2 and being goofy!

  • July 26, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    detectivesoap, RP Locke

    by deelzbub

    my dad LOVED the video for Lapti Nek. It was longer than what was shown in the movie. They used to show it on Friday Night Videos around 83-84. My dad had it on videotape for years and was very disappointed when he misplaced it.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Wow...Vader, Greatest Movie Villain of all tyme.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    reduced to a BEEATCHHH!!! with the aid of some dumb ass prequels.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Are you serious?

    by DeadAtRecess

    Like Lucas made the originals all on his own? He wrote the first one and directed it. Then the second (and widely regarded as BEST) he had an idea for, and financed, but the artistry came from the writers, director, actors, and FX people. We saw what happened when Lucas "did it on his own". He hired video game programmers to create a CGI world and made Jar Jar step in poo. A world where a more talented writer (or anyone with a lick of sense) wasn't allowed to step in and delete a 9 year old Darth Vader saying the line "Yippee!" or deleting R2 and C3PO from the prequels completely, or making the "Anakin turns to the dark side" story actually dramatic and not something completely fucking shat out of the ass of a fuck-tard. A world where R2 suddenly has jets on his body and fucking flies??? And where a cartoon Yoda has a tiny lightsaber and flips all over screaming, embarrassing anyone who is a fan of cinema? A more humble person with a genuine love and respect of the original material and a respect for the FANS THAT MADE THEM RICH would have scrapped the whole thing and called up REAL writers, given them the IDEA (which you wouldn't even have to do, since writers all over the world had the IDEA and had been dying to make the prequels since 1977 and had come up with FAR better ways to introduce characters and implement the plot), and let them run with it. I recall him doing that before...

  • July 26, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    MIDICHLORAINS? Really?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Did'nt SIR ALEC GUINNESS EXPLAIN WHAT THE FORCE WAS IN A NEW HOPE? <p> "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.... A Jedi can feel the force flowing through him." <p> I went with that description for the better half of 25 years and 300 thousand views!!! <p> That is until Liam Neeson's deal, I'm sorry Qui-Gon Fif of Gin, <p> "“Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without midi-chlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you.”1 <p> I almost swallowed my R2-D2 cup holder I got free with a choice of any 16 oz drink from Taco Bell. <p> I personally like the Urban Dictionary's description. <p> Midichlorians: Word imagined by George Lucas to totaly fuck-up The misticism surrounding the force in Star Wars.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    George Lost his soul after 1980...

    by conspiracy

    Marsha drove a stake through it in the divorce, which Lucas will forever blame on the SW success, and greed finished the job by cutting out his heart.</p><p>George hates us...goes out of his way to fuck with the fans...and even goes so far as to crush the little people who were with him at the beginning (David Prowse). He really is a fucking Monster these days...more ego driven mogul than man..twisted and evil.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    theycallmemrtibbs

    by DeadAtRecess

    I owe you a beer. Well put. He couldn't just leave the force as some intangible and mystical thing? He has to put a science to it? What was the science behind the lightsaber duel between Anakin and Obi Wan on Mustafarr? Lava burns the shit out of things. People 1 mile away from lava flows have said that you can feel the intense heat...yet these two were like 3 feet away from lava? And midichlorians are supposed to explain the force? And the physics aspects of the speeder chase on Corscant in Attack of the Clones? Too much crap to deal with. Originals (non special-ed editions) good. Prequels bad.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess

    by RPLocke

    Dude, the Yoda fight was one of the best things about the prequels. And I still say Revenge of the Sith is better than Jedi.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Oh God, Locke's "a little knowledge is"... well, you know

    by white_vader

    If you're gonna bring something up re: Lucas & Kirshner's relationship, at least know the WHOLE story! I guess I shouldn't have dignified it but hey, reading that was sure funny. I'm out, it's just too crazy in here, on both the hater AND apologist sides.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    He also Fucked up Han!

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    And the one moment that made him one of the top five badasses of the seventies! (My other four being Popeye Doyle, Dirty Harry, John Shaft and Travis Bickle) Yeah he was up there with the badasses... That is until that whole "GREEDO SHOT FIRST BULLSHIT!" when he changed that scene, It destroyed one of the coolest moments I've EVER seen on the Big Screen, I never looked at Han Solo the same or the franchise again.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    But not before

    by white_vader

    saying that Prowse has always been a dick with his head in the clouds. He's not joking when he says he's upset about his voice not being used. Have you ever HEARD the guy talk?! Seriously he DOES come from a galaxy far far away. Sure Lucas has gone crazy, but I'm amazed Prowse wasn't ex-communicated decades ago.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the Clones

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Is the worst thing to ever made by a human.... <p> except for the Bagpipes <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA <p> classic shit right dere

  • July 27, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    The way Obi Wan explained Anakin...

    by DeadAtRecess

    In A New Hope (which I first saw when I was 4 years old) when Obi Wan explains his relationship with Anakin to Luke, I got the sense that Obi Wan was about 30 or 40 years old when he met Anakin, who was probably about 20 at the time. I was 4 years old and that is what the scene conveyed to me, because how the fuck could that scene be about a 9 year old kid? Obi Wan talks about the wicked pilot that Anakin was and that he was amazed at how strongly the force was with him. So I'm 4 years old and thinking this guy was a badass pilot but didn't know that he had what it took to be a jedi...and he was just super lucky or some crap. So I grew up thinking that the jedi at some point were on some cruiser and Obi Wan was among them, and they get attacked and some escort fighters save them...and Anakin is the one pilot that saves the day and Obi Wan senses some great force thing and realizes it's Anakin's piloting abilities. Later they become pals and Obi Wan wants to train him but is told he cannot because Anakin is too old...because to me when Yoda told Ben that Luke was too old I thought he meant (as a cop out) that Luke was too old by a few years. To me you would need to be a teenager to become a jedi. Apparently not. A nine year old is too old. SO RETARDED. Why can a 4 year old come up with assumptions that turn out to be better and more believable than the realized "vision" of an adult? Sample script follows ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Hey Anakin, if you turn to the dark side, I promise that Padme will take it up the ass." ANAKIN FALLS TO HIS KNEES, SOBBING LIKE A DIRTY LITTLE BITCH DIRECTED BY GEORGE LUCAS TO HAVE WICKED BAD SOAP OPERA ACTING "I'll do it! I'll do anything" and then later after an hour long CGI video game battle with lava and midichlorians he becomes Darth Vader the Frankenstein monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"............story by George Lucas

  • July 27, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Empire was under-appreciated before Jedi was released

    by Excelciyour

    and I was five years old and one of the doubters. I remember all of my fellow kindergarten students universally agreed that A New Hope was amazing and we had the action figures to prove it. Empire was the first Star Wars movie I saw in theaters and it was on a re-release in winter '83 in Michigan just months before the summer release of Jedi (I vividly remember seeing a teaser poster for Star Trek III as we walked into the theater) and that's what this Behind The Scenes image posted here brings back. Understandable confusion at a young age as to the necessity of the dark mood in Empire prior to the debut of Jedi. Thanks for posting this Behind The Scenes stuff - please keep it up.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by DeadAtRecess

    We will have to agree to disagree. I think that the Yoda fight was one of the dumbest things ever. The Plinkett reviews are going to curse me here because I thought this shit before Plinkett put it in his brilliant reviews. Yoda didn't need to have a lightssaber because his "ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter" and yadda yadda. Meaning that the force is an awesome thing that is way beyond chopping shit with a laser. Yoda was 800 years old. And he was small as a turd. He wouldn't be able to, in all practicality, manage a lightsaber duel. That's what the shit on Dagobah was about. Ben taught Luke to swing the blue laser around but Yoda taught Luke that it takes WAY more to be a jedi. The little Yoda thing jumping and flipping was a giant insult to Yoda, and not only that, it looked hilarious, thus adding more insult to Yoda. In ESB they made me believe that this little green puppet had a heart and a soul 800 years old and they made the world believe that Yoda was a jedi master. That's way deeper than screaming and spinning in the air with a mini lightsaber like the YOUNGLINGS (Oh fucking christ, the fucking YOUNGLINGS) wielded. Sure they guy he fought was throwing force shit, but Yoda shouldn't have even been there. He should have been at some jedi temple while the shit went down. And by jedi temple I don't mean high tech building. The jedi should have trained close to nature as the force is created by life, so you'd think that they would want to be in a forest or jungle. Fuck no. So we'll agree to disagree.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    This photo from Empire blows anything you might feature away...

    by Kirbymanly

    http://www.trendhunter.com/photos/53835

  • July 27, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    yeah, attack of the Clones is bad. Worse than Jedi even

    by RPLocke

    but the movie has the excellent Obi Wan subplot and the Geonosis battle was great.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:46 a.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess

    by RPLocke

    You are overthinking the Jedi and Yoda. If you notice at the beginning of the battle both Yoda and Dooku agree that the only way the battle can be decided is by lightsabers.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Please stop this Pic of the Day crap already....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Beaks use to be my least fav AICN guy (he's so outta place here), now that title belongs to Quint and his lame fuckin threads. Nice work on that fake Dark Knight pic ya homo!

  • July 27, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    I just read this whole fucking talkback...

    by That_Girl_From_The_Lowes_Commercials_GARGANTUAN_FOREHEAD

    and i listened to the film's score as i read it. (Battle of Hoth baby!) Too fucking cool ;-) <P> And to anyone who doesn't appreciate or see this film's brilliance... <P> FUCK OFF.

  • July 27, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    DeadatRecess just fucking OWNED

    by That_Girl_From_The_Lowes_Commercials_GARGANTUAN_FOREHEAD

    RPlocke. Wow, RP... First you defend the final season, and finale of Lost... Then you deride Inception... and finally, you say the unthinkable: <P> "Dude, the Yoda fight was one of the best things about the prequels. And I still say Revenge of the Sith is better than Jedi." <P> :-/ <P> Holy FUCK. How could anyone possibly have taste this poor? Honestly, the psychologist in me wants to fucking study you... to find out what in the name of FUCK makes someone so completely unobjective/tasteless/ignorant, etc... <P> Fascinating...

  • July 27, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST

    And nice job linking the Plinkett reviews above...

    by That_Girl_From_The_Lowes_Commercials_GARGANTUAN_FOREHEAD

    Fucking Class-Act that Mr. Plinkett. What a brilliant deconstruction of those truly awful prequel films (still holding out hope that he does one for "Revenge of the Sith"...) What a perfect artistic examination and comparison of the 2 trilogies, and really, film in general... Anyone who thinks its simply just a bunch of "Jar-Jar sucks!" diatribe, is either fucking DENSE, or they never actually watched it. <P> And RPlocke... you're still a fucking moron. <P> :)

  • July 27, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    and on the subject of the music in the film...

    by That_Girl_From_The_Lowes_Commercials_GARGANTUAN_FOREHEAD

    Is there any doubt, whatsoever, that John Williams is the greatest composer OF ALL TIME? The guy's a fucking genius. Perhaps one of the greatest musicians, period, of all time? Just listening to "Asteroid Field" again :-) Man, you just don't hear melody like that any more in film these days!

  • July 27, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    I've already forgotten 2010

    by Clean_Vageena

    how can i remember this obscurity?

  • July 27, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    http://starwarsarchives.com/

    by TheJudger

    thats the site~! yeah mutherfucker- yeah!!!!!! This is the site I was yammering about. Thanks for posting that!

  • July 27, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Your tauntaun will freeze

    by Abominable Snowcone

    before you reach the first marker.<p> And what does Han say then? C'mon, anyone?

  • July 27, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I'll see you in hell just to cool off

    by Sailor Rip

    stay thirsty my friends

  • July 27, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    John Williams best composer of all time?

    by Royston Lodge

    Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, Wagner, Lizst, Holst, and Chopin are at your front door and they would like to have a few words with you.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Mrtibbs, agree with you on force explanation

    by leo54304

    Remember as a kid watching in the theatre when Ben gave "the speech". Scene was sunset on tatooine, Williams music in background and old Ben about to give the greatest secret of the galaxy to a young boy wanting to be a man. That moment spoke to me and I think everyone else in the theatre. That was moment was pure and clean as spring water.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Crazy Yoda

    by Zatoichi

    Yoda acted crazy to prove a point, not to judge based on appearances. Plus I think he just like messing with Luke's head. The only thing out of place for me in TESB was the whole Luke versus "Vader" on Dagobah. I understand what the scene was trying to say but I think it could have been done in a differnt way.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I once used the force to know how it felt

    by leo54304

    stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    White V...Agree...Prowse is a first rate cock..

    by conspiracy

    and the guys voice sounds like a bag of cockney frogs; but that is not the point. The point is that Multi-Billionaire Lucas could have just done the class thing..."ahh..thats David...he is entitled to his opinion; but I thank him anyway" and let to poor slob eek out a living on the one fucking thing he has ever done in his life. But No...George being the maniacal, controlling, thin skinned little despot he is had to crush him under the mighty heel of Lucasfilm Inc. That is just petty and small...then again it is George Lucas, no fucking surprise I guess.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I did coke with Fisher so she'd wear the slave outfit

    by leo54304

    Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I did coke to forget Fishers singing in the SW xmas special

    by leo54304

    Stay thirsty my friends

  • July 27, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Ewoks eating humans is not cannibalism...

    by BoStrike1

    just sayin. And no, John Williams, while perhaps the most important film composer ever, probably isn't the BEST COMPOSER OF ALL TIME. My vote is for Ludwig.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess...Agree about Yoda..

    by conspiracy

    at first, watching AOTC...you think.., "ok..kinda cool"; but then logic and what came before brings you back to your senses.</p><p>Why IS an 800 year old Jedi reduced to wielding a lightsaber? Is this really the extent of the "force", to be able to flip, hack, and push things around...and being a master means you can just do it quicker?</p><p>Which only backs up my assertion that after A New Hope..George made it up as he went along...and that ultimately his imagination and ability to see the possibilities of his own creation is lesser than those that are his fans. I think we all had grander, deeper, more mystical and fantastic visions of the SW universe than George, as ultimately his vision was simplistic and beyond childish. He knew he could never top Empire...that wasn't his creation and he knew he could never top it as it went far deeper, more adult and complex than George is capable of; and he also knew that eventually he had to come out behind the curtain and end the charade...the prequels did just that. Ultimately...George just does not have the vision, depth or creativity to live up to his own creations demands.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    My fault on the cannibalism Bostrike, thanks

    by leo54304

  • July 27, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Maybe WIlliams for movie music composition?

    by leo54304

    Although Mancini might have a say about that.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Since we're talking about Yoda's treament from one trilogy to th

    by BoStrike1

    It really drives home just how out of touch he has become as a story teller that he seemingly chooses to present the saga chronologically instead of in the order they were filmed. Yoda suffers the most from this. First, his entire "surprise" introduction loses all of its teeth and the vast majority of its impact. Second, ESB paints the picture of a true master of the light side, someone who no longer needs to resort to violence. In myth, this represents the unattainable for the everyman, the goal that can never be reached but must always be sought after. It would be one thing if the new prequils just sucked, but they actually hurt the old films for future generations by rendering meaningless some of the most potent stuff they had to offer. This is the true harm of the prequil trilogy, and the origin of the "raped my childhood" sentiment.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    leo54304

    by BoStrike1

    I agree. Even though I think that Basil Polidouris composed the best original music that was used in a film, John Williams was the best at fusing music and imagery. "Empire" being his masterpiece in my opinion and the best functional film score ever.

  • July 27, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    To quote Harvey Dent

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    " George, you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

  • July 27, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Mine! Mine! Or I will help you not!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    "Hey! You're making a mess! And I'm going to need that dildo to pass the time here in this swamp"

  • July 27, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Williams and the advent of the summer blockbuster

    by leo54304

    Was one those moments where the stars align just right and something totally new happens and blows you away. Thats one of the reasons movies will be always exciting.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    When Lucas saw that scene MrTibbs, he said:

    by leo54304

    Must be talking about Spielberg.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Abominable, make it Yoda and Gollum

    by leo54304

    Oh, the dialogue they'd have. Gollum:My precious,mine,mine. yoda;Precious,you like yesss,would you to feel my force. yesss,yes you would.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy Re. Yoda and Creativity

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I am no GL apologist - I firmly believe that cracker ass cracker giggled his fool head off (in private) at the prospect of James Earl saying 'yes my master'. GL gets a lots of shit -and most of it deserved, but on two subjects that came up on this here TB - Yoda fighting and GL's lack of creativity, I beg to differ. <p> Since ESB, fans wanted to see Yoda throw down - and he did. Caint give GL shit about giving fans what they wanted. <p> Now regarding his lack of creativity -or as you say "his imagination and ability to see the possibilities of his own creation is lesser than those that are his fans" - well, all I say to that is look at the Matrix sequels where the W's over-thought to such an astounding anal retentive degree - heaped on so much mystical bull shit and creativity, that it destroyed the entire franchise. GL did not do that. Yeah, he still fucked the pooch by going in opposite direction, but still he showed restraint that I doubt the fans of SW would ever show and thus would ruin it same as the W's ruined Matrix. <p> Give GL credit for only ruining the prequels not entire franchise.

  • July 27, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    The biggest change that I saw between "The Phantom Menace" and the following two movies was a very strong desire on Georges part to pander to his audience. At least with TPM we can see that George had a vision(however misguided it may have been) and followed through with it. In the two subsequint films he seemed to bend over backwards to give the audience what they want. "You like Boba Fett? Here's an army of BETTER Boba Fetts!" Just giving the audience what you think they want for the sake of giving them what they want isn't a good tactic and frequently (as it does in the prequils) comes across as just plain patronizing. You also seem to be arguing that the two options he had were to make his movies silly and for kids, or to overthink them. Why wasn't that the case with the original trilogy? They had a healthy mixture of popcorn entertainment and substance. I bet after Empire that people wanted to see Yoda fight Vader, or maybe that hologram guy Vader spoke to. I doubt there were too many complaints when his character was handled in a more mature way in Jedi. Just because people say "who would win between Yoda and the Emporer" does not mean that a fight between them would fit well in the Star Wars narrative.

  • July 27, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    BoStrike1

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I do not think it was pandering to the audience to give them Yoda throwing down (everyone including I would bet GL) wanted to see that. I do agree that satiating the audience's every whim though would have been a huge mistake. That is exactly the point I was trying to make when I implied that GL did not overthink (ok the midichlorians was an unforgivable overthink) too much about the origins or mysticism of Jedi knights etc. etc. Because doing so would have lead him down the very same rabbit hole of overly obsessive detail that the W's ran into. <p> SW was an absolute perfect balance of fun, and mythology and universe building- but not too much detail. He filled in some blanks with ESB, and while ROTJ has some shaky moments, he still pretty much brought it home without any major faults (unless you hate Ewoks).<p>

  • July 27, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    I'll stick with my last statement about Yoda throwing down. Just because people want to see it does not mean it fits well in your narrative. You seem to think it did fit well and I don't, so there we are. (If you want to go into that particular debate more I'm down) As for "satiating the audience's every whim", that's exactly what I feel he was trying to do with 2 and 3. There were no risks, no originality and no narrative innovation of any kind in 2 and 3. It was as if a think tank was formed to determine "all the cool star wars things people want to see", and there results were turned into screenplays. The W's did a very different kind of overthinking with the Matrix sequils than Lucas did here. They ran with the mythology status their first movie was given and tried (way too hard) to infuse their subsequint movies with MYTH, and refferences to myth, and complex philosophical questions. Lucas did overthink his new trilogy, but it had nothing to do with the story and everything to do with "what this aliens 3rd tendril looks like" and "Yoda's face needs to look different in this shot" and "Lets use Liams take from this shot and Ewans take from this other shot and put them together". I think he just needed to be forced to focus on the basic stuff while trusting others to do their jobs, like he did with the originals.

  • July 27, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    BoStrike1 - Yoda and the lightsaber fight

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I look at that fight like this: Two super powers -who can annihilate one another with their nuclear arsenals, or at least leave the other so damaged that they are useless, decide to use alternate means to settle a conflict. i.e. sports or intellectual combat. Neither being an option with Yoda and Dooku - cause even though I think Yoda has some skillz and mad hops and could be a mean baller, he still is a little past his prime. Now add to the mix that one was a student and that all Jedi learn the use of lightsaber's - why wouldn't they settle this the 'old fashioned' way? Mano-a-Yoda.<p> Yoda vs the Emperor - I thought was handled the wrong way. That should have been an epic throwdown - but and I will concede this point, unless it really is the focal point of the movie -and how could it be when the epic battle must be between Vader and Obi Wan, then it becomes a useless waste of time that does not advance the plot. <p> As for over thinking. Hmm. I do agree with you about the lack of innovation - but the point I was making about 'overthink' was dealing with the Jedi mysticism and not going into too much detail over that, not whether Boba Fett has a tattoo of Mrs Hut on his chest - which he does. <p> Yes, GL did pander, but not be overthinking, on the contrary by under thinking or under estimating the audience.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I think we all pretty much agree to different degrees...

    by conspiracy

    And one thing I think we can ALL totally agree on, if you watched any of the insider/behind the scenes stuff...is that; </p><p>1. George is surrounded by terrified yes men..who dare not challenge him...or even offer an opinion. The original trilogy was good because there were checks and balances...especially Marsha Lucas.</p><p>2. The only vision Lucas has left in him is marketing...how many of his various widgets and "creations" can be hawked in a Happy Meal box or at Toys R US.</p><p>Does anyone else get a Bad Feeling about the upcoming TV show? I say just let it die...

  • July 27, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    I agree, that is a good way to break down the fight. Now, what the fuck was that fight doing in the movie? Was it presenting our protagonist with obsticles to overcome or illumination? Nope, he (whichever of the TWO heroes we're given you think is the protagonist) is unconcious. In the original Star Wars, when two people draw light sabers, someone is about to become a different person. Every time. Obi Wan finds redemption and enlightenment at the hands of Vader. Luke learns who he is at the hands of Vader. Then Luke and Vader resolve their differences, Luke becomes a man and Vader redeems himself. What was it that happened when Yoda and Dooku fought again? Oh yeah, people got to see Yoda kick ass......awesome. Same thing with the third movie. The TWO heroes are in the middle of actually doing something that is actually relevant to the story, but we keep cutting back to Yoda and the Emporer. Why? Because "Those are the two most badass force users and people wanna know who wins", again......awesome. Lightsabers in the prequils are shooting blanks because they exist only to be cool. In the original trilogy, lightsabers struck the balance of being cool and ALSO representing the "inner fire" of the character who wields it. Lastly, about Yoda in particular (I touched on this before but will elaborate), in the Heroes Journey myth, which star wars is, the everyman (person who audience connects with who becomes an adult through the course of the story) needs to have an unnattainable standard that they strive for. Arthur had God, Frodo had the Elves, etc. Yoda fills this role in the original trilogy. He represents what a Jedi strives for. To have him actually enter the fight alongside the hero takes all the edge out and knocks him off his perch, making him just another character. The mythology of the original trilogy is dilluted by images of "the perfect Jedi" resorting to violence.

  • July 27, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    That's what he gets for Marrying Marsha Brady

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Should have stuck with Jan or pulled a Polanski and hit on Cindy, she would not have turned his heart into a barely beating lump of bauxite

  • July 27, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    LoL

    by BoStrike1

    Yep. Whatever the reason, as happens way too often in my opinion, he lost his artistic fire with age. Now we can put him up there next to Coppola, Monty Python and Chevy Chase.=)

  • July 27, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    BoStrike1

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Do you really think GL thought in those terms as in believing that lightsaber duels led to some type of transformation? I think people can read what they want into just about any part of the movies - like some are doing with inception, which is fine. When movies make us think, or fell then we have a connection that stays with us. But that does not necessarily mean that the creator of the movie intended it that way. And even if he did, he also intended the duels to be kickass action. If all it was to be was a transformative act, then he could have stuck to dialogue -which would have been boring as hell. Nerp. GL wanted action. Combining action with advancement of plot is essential, but not all action must needs lead to plot advancement - some times it is for the sheer joy, yes joy of seeing shit blowed up or someone getting his ass kicked. And in a fantasy, wish fulfillment, sci fi movie that did not have pretensions of grandeur, I see nothing wrong with that.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Williams is a master at getting the music to match the picture..

    by Royston Lodge

    ...particularly when it comes to quick-cut action-adventure stories. The man understands the grey art of "pacing".<p> But when it comes to the actual musical themes he uses, while they are INCREDIBLY satisfying, they aren't terribly original. Go listen to Holst's "The Planets" and tell me I'm wrong.<p> (FYI: I own plenty of Williams' music, just to be clear, I AM a fan.)<p> When it comes to film composers as an integral part of a blockbuster's production team, Williams is indeed top-notch and ahead of folk like Danny Elfman and James Horner.<p> (FYI: I own lots of their stuff too, and am also a fan, but Williams does a better job IMHO.)<p> But when it comes to film composers as musical "artists" in their own right, I'd put Williams BEHIND folk like Basil Poledouris, Sergio Marchionne, or Henry Mancini.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    My 2 cents ( i know I am late to the discussion)

    by rogueleader66

    There were many things about the prequels I liked, but overall, they were quite obviously not up to the quality of the OT. I think part of the problem was the fact that Lucas claimed how he was "making a movie for his kids" so that gave him the excuse he needed to give an explanation for EVERYTHING and to more or less dumb everything down...even worse, he pandered to his kid audience, something that the OT did not do in any way. That was not necessary.<P>I am in the camp that believes the midichlorian thing was a bad idea, turned a mystical mysterious thing into scientific babble.<P>The Yoda fighting thing....It was something I was looking forward to, but in AOTC it was kind of pointless and way too short....in ROTS it was much better, and seemed to fit in a little better than it previously did.<P>Lucas's ideas (most of them) for the prequels were good, but he had no business directing them. He should have been on the sidelines, but not at the helm. A previous post said that he is surrounded by yes men who are afraid to challenge him...that is 100% correct, and if he had been questioned even a little, maybe things would have been different. But at least he was trying to tell a story, more so than most films these days seem to do.<P>I am not in the camp that says Lucas "raped my childhood" because nothing he did to any of the movies, be it PT or OT will erase the memories I have from seeing them for the first time, nothing will erase the wonder or the connection I had and still have with the characters.....I guess I am more forgiving of the PT because I honestly thought I would never see any more SW movies the rest of my life, so I am glad I got 3 more, and in my mind mediocre SW is better than none at all.<P>The bottom line is this, they are what they are, we can debate all we want about the merits/faults of the PT, but it won't change what we were given.<P>I feel that each film has enough classic SW moments to make them a part of the lore. Sure I would have done things differently, most of us would have. But Lucas the man changed (in mostly bad ways, became more of a businessman than a film maker) from the time of the OT to the time of the PT, and thus we were never going to get a new trilogy that was as good as the OT.<P>They may not have been exactly what I wanted, but I am grateful that I got three more SW movies in my lifetime, good bad or whatever....and I don't think any of them were what I would classify as bad, there are plenty more movies I would call bad ahead of any of the prequels.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Williams is flat out awesome

    by rogueleader66

    As big as a SW fan as I am, my favorite theme of all time, bar none, is from Superman:The Movie. Movie themes just don't get any better than that. I could listen to that opening piece of music over and over and never get sick of it.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    I don't just think it, I know it because it's well documented that Lucas based his trilogy on ideas from Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces". So much so that Lucas even approached Campbell for advice when writing ESB. But that doesn't even matter. Do you agree that every time two characters draw lightsabers in 4-6 that one of those characters goes through a life changing event? Do you agree that this dynamic is cool and lends more substance to the action? Do you agree that you cannot find connections like that in the prequil trilogy? If its there, its there. Even if Lucas hadn't infused his stories with mythological relevance, that relevance was there and he had a whopping 18 years to detect it before diving back in. And again, it was the fusion of action WITH substance that made Star Wars great. If that element had not been there, we would not be having this conversation. The Empire duel is a great example of that fusion. Awesome action, all of which is backed up by character/plot advancement. From Luke showing he has greatness in him by using his wiles to outlast the first part, to Vader demonstrating the raw, destructive power his anger gives him, all the way to the most memorable part of the duel....the part where they put up the sabers and talk. Hardly boring if it gave us arguably the most memorable quote in cinema history. And Lucas was all about "action for actions sake", he just knew where to put it back then; namely in the first or second act of his film. Death Star escape, Asteroid Field and Jabba's Palace all offer the audience popcorn while getting the heavy lifting out of the way (Leiea is introduced to the heros and the triangle is born in the death star, han and leiea's romance is subtly and beautifully advanced during the asteroid, and Jabba, well ok, that was pretty gratuitous). Never did he have regular popcorn action during the finale. Thats when people grew, as it had to be in a heros journey. Thats what sets that old trilogy aside as well. Tons of movies have action that amount to nothing more than the joy of seeing shit blow up. The original Star Wars trilogy is not on that list of films.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I agree Rouge...they are what they are...

    by conspiracy

    but as with any primal therepy...it really helps to let it all out from time to time. </p><p>Also..if he made these movies for and with the input of his kids...I can only assume they are total morons. Thank God the MMA took one of them..the fewer Lucases in the business the better.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    There's WAY more to ROTJ than Ewoks, people!!!

    by Royston Lodge

    Firstly, let me just say that I never hated the Ewoks. Then again, I was young enough that ROTJ was my first exposure to Star Wars and I only saw ANH and ESB AFTER I saw ROTJ, so maybe I was the young demographic that the Ewoks were targeted at. Maybe I'd hate the Ewoks like the rest of y'all if I'd seen ANH in 1977 and ESB in 1980. I was born in 1975, so seeing ANH and ESB during their first runs wasn't in the cards, but I was 8 years old in 1983, which seems like the perfect demographic for the Ewoks.<p> THAT BEING SAID...<p> Even if you hate the Ewoks, there is SO MUCH MORE to ROTJ than just the Ewoks!!!<p> People forget just how many "holy fuck moments" there are in that movie:<p> - The first time we see Jabba the Hutt. An alien character of that size had never been attempted, or pulled off so convincingly. Images from behind-the-scenes specials of seven operators (if memory serves) inside that giant puppet and two guys operating radio controls for the face were really mind-blowing at the time. Jabba the Hutt was FRIGGIN' cutting edge! With the possible exception of the Alien Queen, has a creature of that size ever been pulled off so convincingly ever since?<p> - The Sarlacc fight and the explosion of Jabba's barge. Remember, it's way harder to do daylight composite shots using an optical printer than it is to do composite shots in space. Think of all the BAD daylight FX from that period (the original V tv series comes to mind). The vibrant colours and crisp images in the whole sequence are remarkable, and it's easily the most badassed lightsaber sequence in the original trilogy as it's the only time we see Luke taking out henchmen with his lightsaber, like a "real" Jedi. Before that scene we only see him fight once with Vader, and he loses. After that scene he uses his lightsaber on one or two biker scouts, and then he duels Vader again ... and almost loses until he briefly (almost) gives in to the Dark Side. None of those other lightsaber battles compare to the badassery on the Sail Barge.<p> - The first shot of the second Death Star orbiting Endor, surrounded by Star Destroyers. It's the first time we see Imperial infrastructure in all it's organized glory, rather than isolated weapons and ships wandering the hinterlands of the galaxy. And when the Emperor's shuttle touches down in the hanger? Awesome sauce.<p> - The first glimpse of the Emperor in the flesh. Again awesome sauce. Way better than the holo-emperor in ESB.<p> - The Rebel Fleet vs. The Imperial Fleet. Awesome. Huge. Epic. I wish it was a wee bit longer, but not too much or it'd end up like the opening battle in ROTS.<p> - Speeder Bikes and AT-ST walkers. More awesome sauce.<p> I really don't get why people focus so much on the Ewoks. I don't think the Ewoks IN AND OF THEMSELVES are the real problem. Rather, I think the real problem is the pacing of all the Endor scenes. The movie really seems to slow down to a crawl during those scenes. Too much talking and walking aimlessly through a forest. It's as if every time a space battle scene or a Luke and Vader scene is JUST about to get good he cuts to Endor and the movie screeches to a halt.<p> I don't think that's the Ewoks' fault. It's a problem of pacing and writing.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by rogueleader66

    Oh I agree, i often talk about things in the PT i would have liked to have seen, or done differently.<P>Yea the whole kid thing pissed me off, it's one thing to say your making a kids movie, but don't use it as an excuse to dumb things down and totally pander to that audience, it's insulting and a creatively bankrupt thing to do, it's as if your saying "i don't want to take the time to make something great so I will make something good and just put in less effort"...thankfully he veered away from that with each following movie, but still the pattern was already set, its as if he spent two movies trying to make up for what he thinks he did wrong in the first.<P>He always appears to be unhappy with things, remember when he said how he wanted to do all these things in 1977 but could not because the tech was not advanced enough for it? The compromises he made were fine, and perhaps even better.<P>Move ahead to 1999, the tech was there, he had all the tools he needed for a new set of films, he could pretty much do anything he wanted...hell he even took the same amount of time between films (3yrs) as he did in the OT. So WTF happened? Why did he feel the need to pander to kids? Had he hit it out of the park with TPM (which I really like btw despite jar jar and Jake Lloyd) he would not have had to spend two more movies making up for the mistakes he obviously knew he made. There was a great film at the heart of TPM but it was derailed by Jar jar and an annoying little kid, and fart and poop jokes, that have NO place in a SW movie...again, pandering to the audience. Regardless, the film gave us Qui Gonn, Maul and a fantastic Lightsaber battle, with, unfortunately, a tragic outcome, one of the few really ballsy moments in the PT, that emotionally I hated, but from a creative standpoint I felt it was a good choice. There were too few of those moments in the PT, that's why it never could have been as good as we wanted it to, Lucas was just being to damn careful.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by BoStrike1

    I will always love RoTJ for the throne room scenes alone. I think that the bulk of the rest of the movie suffered from too much fluff that ultimately was foreshadowing where Lucas was heading as a story teller;but the throne room stuff was brilliant and i honestly cannot think of a better ending to the story of Luke and Anakin Skywalker.

  • July 27, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by rogueleader66

    Thank you, thank you thank you thank you. I have always felt I loved ROTJ more than a lot of other SW "fans". Nice to see there are some out there who feel some of the greatest SW moments happened in that film.....The ewoks? I never hated them, never loved them, but I'll tell you this, after Jar Jar, I'll take a forest full of Ewoks over jar jar any day. Any self respecting SW fan, IMO, knows how awesome ROTJ is...it has its problems, but IMO they are outweighed by the sheer amount of awesome SW moments<P>"Admiral we have enemy ships in sector 3-7"<P>"IT'S A TRAP"<P>Fucking awesome

  • July 27, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Side note about RoTJ

    by BoStrike1

    I find it amusing and somewhat sad at the same time that Lucas wasn't happy with the Ewoks and the Wookie stuff in Ep 3 was his way of "doing it right". The Ewok stuff, while a little out of place, was well told and well paced with some of the best music in the saga backing it up. The Wookie stuff in ep3 was just random, meaningless images.

  • July 27, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    BoStrike1 and Conspiracy

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    First off, let me say that having a discussion - regardless our differing views, is far more refreshing than name calling -although I dang sure enjoy some good old fashioned shit stirring from time to time! <p> I do not disagree that the duels in the first 3 movies had a greater impact and advanced the plot than the subsequent duels. There is no comparison of the first 3 even ROTJ to the second 3. However, just because the duels in the prequels did not serve the same purpose as in the originals, does not mean they were a waste of time (well not all of them). They were entertaining (well most of them anyway). SW worked because it was a throwback to swashbuckling, serial type, hero saves the princess defeats the evil villain adventure. I have no problems with people who see more into than I, but the retconning of it (and that happened way back in the 80's) does it a disservice. No doubt GL consulted Campbell. But does that really mean anything? The Beetles consulted a maharajah and came out with some good dope and longer hair - but not necessarily any greater insight into all things musical/mystical (well maybe John did). <p> No doubt the original movies were more grown-up fare - and stand the test of time as classics. They have mythological elements within them -just like Clash of the Titans. SW came out of nowhere and retconning aside, I seriously doubt the entire SW universe exploded fully born into GL's head. I always go back and forth to which is better SW or ESB. ROTJ never enters discussion. Still, the wonder of the movies is that it can make us think and discuss. Disagree or agree with deeper elements and meanings - you can get many things out of these movies. I just enjoy the hell out of them - and lightsaber fights (meaningful or otherwise).

  • July 27, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Oh, BTW I do not hate ROTJ. I really like it

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    It is the third best of all the SW movies - and indeed has iconic moments. Luke on the bridge of Jabbba's ship -looking older and weathered (due to Hamils accident) and like he really could kick Vaders ass. Leia in the kini. The special effects. It was a great treat of a movie. It had pacing issues, but I still hold it dearly and do not hate the Ewoks either. But it was a foreshadowing of Lucas to come

  • July 27, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Bo

    by rogueleader66

    I also think that part of the point of the Ewoks was that superior technology does not mean you are unbeatable. Granted it was taken a bit too far in ROTJ, but the point was made, for the most part, quite well. The two logs crushing the at-st? Fucking great.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    Sounds like we're mostly in agreement, you just give the new trilogy more of a pass than me for doing something totally different (and less substantive) than the original. As far as retconning, this is something I despise, and I have not done it here. As far as Lucas meeting Campbell not meaning anything...that's what I said. None of Lucas' statements about specifically trying to write a sci-fi heros journey matter. What matters is that it is there. The death of the mentor is a very well established mythic device. I am not retconning when I point out that Obi-Wans death in ep4 serves the same purpose for Luke that Merlins dissapearance does for Arthur and Gandalfs death does for Frodo. Its part of an established type of narrative that continues to be retold because of the inherent meaning. Perhaps it's just because I'm a myth geek and Star Wars has always been my generations great myth. So when I saw them telling more Star Wars stories but not infusing the action with the same type of substance, I was less inclined to like it for what it is than others may be. I'm fully prepared to admit that.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by rogueleader66

    Absolutely correct, the sad part is if TPM had a ROTJ feel to it, it would have been better, I could have handled the childish aspects of it if it had an atmosphere like that in ROTJ. That being said, I still like TPM, I just cannot say I LOVE it.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    BoStrike1

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    That's cool man. I can dig it. We are mostly in agreement and where we disagree - it's no biggie smalls.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge - Williams and al

    by ObiBen

    I agree 100% about Williams and pacing. About Paledouris, Mancini and Morricone, I would say that it's arguable but maybe more a matter of taste. I think that people who don't dig Williams either: 1- Listen only to the overtures and themes, ad nauseam, and get bored with them (and they don't care about the segue music from the actual movies, which contain tons of incredible stuff) OR 2- only pay attention to the horns (easy to do when listening Williams) and miss all the incredible stuff played out by the strings section (and winds, and percussions, but mostly strings). I really like his choral pieces for the prequels, which sound as they where inspired by much better films.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I actually do not hate any of the prequels. Yes, they grew more and more disappointing. But still, it was space battles and aliens and bad acting and lightsaber fights and bad acting and bad writing, but still...

  • July 27, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by rogueleader66

    See, now I feel like the PT got better with each film, Lucas seemed to be moving away from the kid pandering crap of TPM and at least trying to make a more serious film each time.<P>I understand that people were disappointed with the PT, but to throw so much hate at them and call them BAD movies, is really pushing it, I know all of us could name a lot more movies that are way worse than any of the PT films.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Good TB gentlemen

    by rogueleader66

    I applaud you all for having a civil discussion on here, even with opposing points of view. Something AICN is sorely lacking in the TB's these days. They seem to have degenerated into stupid immature flame wars or filled with trolls who just try to piss people off, or with people so convinced of their own superiority they just annoy the fuck out of you. Hats off to you fellas!

  • July 27, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Prequels

    by ObiBen

    Are poop. Incredible synopsis and story (I would have shat bricks if somebody simply described me the outline in the 80s), but completely whacky execution. It's like Birth of a Nation played out by the Teletubbies.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Well, Rogue

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    They did get better because they got rid of Jar Jar -so's youse is correct on that score. I did think the acting got worse - mostly Hayden and bad writing at fault.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Since we're talking about the merits of phantom menace

    by BoStrike1

    let me take this as an opportunity to once again point out that Redlettermedia's online review is must watch material before discussing this movie. Be careful though if you're a fan, he isn't kind, but will point out many things you likely didn't see (as he did for me).

  • July 27, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by rogueleader66

    I don't totally blame Hayden either, I have seen him in other things and while I would not say he was amazing, he was better than he was in the prequels, which says a lot about the writing and the direction.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Dirk: I blame writing and direction more than Hayden.

    by Royston Lodge

    I say that because I'm a huge fan of Shattered Glass. I've seen that movie umpteen times.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    There's a lot to this talkback

    by DeadAtRecess

    and nobody's just berating people...WEIRD! I really think that Lucas made the stuff up as he went along and really had no idea what he was doing...a perfect example of this is the incest scene in ESB. Yeah there's no way that people knew in advance that Luke and Leia were brother and sister. Also, and I hate to mention them again, but I think that there are a TON of people here that have not watched the Red Letter Media Star Wars prequel reviews. There are points so finely made in those things that completely put things to rest. Opinions are one thing, but when you have so much ammo to back things up it makes it really hard to argue. And they are funny as hell, even if you are a fan of all six films. And I agree that Williams in an amazing orchestra...music...uh, dude. BoStrike1 hit the nail on the head about the non-infusion of myth in the prequels. Also, just a random thought, when Luke asked Leia about their mother in ROTJ didn't she say "She died when I was very young"? So "very young" now equates to 30 seconds old? You can't remember ANYTHING about being born and that's a good thing. Why? Think about your mom. Picture her. Can you imagine how traumatizing it would be to REMEMBER that you just had your head INSIDE of your mom's vagina? When you make prequels you first need to sit down with some pals, some drinks, and a NOTE PAD and watch the films that you are "prequelling" and write down important points like that. Don't just sit down with a ton of drinks and write the prequels on the note pad, then paint your living room walls green and film the whole thing from your couch, relying on a crap ton of cash and video game designers to finish it for you. BUT I will agree to disagree with the fans of the prequels...BUT GO WATCH THOSE REVIEWS AND THEN COME BACK AND POST. They make great points, especially about Qui Gon Jin. Good day everyone!

  • July 27, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Bo and rogue

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Bo, see I'm not really a fan of TPM, I just do not think it is the back end of a mule as some do. Regardless if I was a fan or not though - having someone point things out in a movie that I may have missed would probably not change my attitude about said movie unless it was just all kinds of racist/propaganda/Jar jar loving subliminal shite. <p> Rogue, Hayden sucked in those movies. Yes, he is a better actor in other things though by no means is he good, but he still sucked in the prequels. Lots of actors have bad writing to contend with, Hayden was wooden could not emote worth a damn. Had an annoying voice, and was all around miscast.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by rogueleader66

    Oh by no means is he a GOOD actor, just not AS bad as he was in the PT, which, as already said, says a lot about the writing and direction.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I blame the writing and direction and possibly editing, but still do not give Hayden a pass because the proof is on screen. It is no shame though because actors sometimes need time to learn their craft. Jessica Lange was roasted alive for King Kong, but she turned herself into an academy award winning actress of high regard.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Dirk

    by BoStrike1

    The redlettermedia review will do more than just point out a few things you didnt see. its very entertaining and in its own way is an excellent intro class to story telling in film. The dude is smart.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Ha Rogue

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    "Oh by no means is he a GOOD actor" - that made me laugh!

  • July 27, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I'll check it out Bo

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Thanks

  • July 27, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess: It's especially galling considering...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...how much time and effort Lucasfilm Licensing puts into tracking Star Wars continuity with their "Holocron" database.<p> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Holocron_continuity_database<p> If Lucas' own company puts that much effort into tracking every minute continuity detail, it makes ZERO sense for Lucas himself to blatantly ignore important plot points from his own movies.<p> Hell, he might as well have thrown some big green rabbits into the prequels!

  • July 27, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Lucas is a great editor and action director

    by strosmer

    Spielberg said that GL chopped down the ending of Raiders (opening of the ark sequence) from 6 minutes to 3 minutes, and admitted it was a far better, more energetic cut than what he had done originally. And the action sequences in the prequels top anything I've seen in POTCs, Matrixes, Harry Potters, BB, TDK, or essentially any action blockbuster of the past 10 years. I share many of the gripes people have about the prequels, but the second half of those three films, from Tattooine in AOTC to the end of ROTS was not that bad. I get it, they suck compared to the OT, but not so much compared to other summer movies in recent years.

  • July 27, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Damn this website.

    by Royston Lodge

    AICN = Web 1.0

  • July 27, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I know the moment's passed

    by funkylovemonkey

    But Worf was only a pussy in TNG. In DS9 he was an unstoppable force, beating Gowron twice and finally killing him, and essentially taking out a legion of Jem'Hadar in one on one combat despite by the end having serious internal injuries and broken bones with no medical treatment.

  • July 27, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Hayden has been great

    by BoStrike1

    It's hard to tell what the deal was in the prequil trilogy. Some actors can take crap dialogue and turn it into poetry (hello Harrison Ford), and others can't. Perhaps Hayden just doesn't have that skill, cuz he had to utter some real clunkers in 2 and 3.

  • July 27, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    funkylovemonkey

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Great handle BTW. I had to do a quick search of TB to find out what you were talking about. What Kobe said made about Vader and Worf made me laugh. Never would have put those two together. I agree with you about Worf on DS9 though - he became badass on that show.

  • July 27, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    strosmer

    by rogueleader66

    A good point I have been making a lot myself, say what you want about the PT, but compare them to the shit that has been released in the years since, and they stack up much better in comparison.

  • July 27, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Hayden in the prequels: It's all relative.

    by Royston Lodge

    I definitely give him a pass in those movies, because of the awful performances from the other "good" actors in those movies. Ask yourself:<p> - Was Hayden's performance as Anakin WORSE than Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan? I don't think so.<p> - Was Hayden's performance as Anakin WORSE than Sam Jackson as Mace Windu? I don't think so.<p> - Was Hayden's performance as Anakin WORSE than Christopher Lee as Count Dooku? I don't think so.<p> - Was Hayden's performance as Anakin WORSE than Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa? I don't think so.<p> - Was Hayden's performance as Anakin WORSE than Natalie Portman as Panda Bear? I don't think so.<p> There are only two actors in the prequels that were able to rise above the writing to create a good performance, Ian McDiarmuid and Liam Neeson. Through no fault of their own, NONE of the other actors were able to get past the writing.<p> That's why I cannot place any blame whatsover on Hayden Christensen.<p> But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

  • July 27, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    It's Hammerhead, not "Momaw Nadon"

    by kevred

    That banner ad's been bugging me. All after-the-fact/extended-univer se Star Wars naming is so horrifyingly bad. Lucas named things so stupendously well in the first 3 films. Leave it at that, please. He's not from "Ithor", whatever the hell that is, he's a mysterious creature in the cantina with no official identity. Backstories are so stupid.

  • July 27, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    ObiBen:

    by kevred

    "It's like Birth of a Nation played out by the Teletubbies."<p>That has to be one of the weirdest images ever conjured in these talkbacks, and of course that's saying something. Well done.<p>And I agree with you. The concepts in the prequels were very good, the action well done, but the films as living, breathing stories were horrific. Flat, dull, robotic, awkward. Everything the OT wasn't. Bad script, no real sets, stiff celebrity cast, etc.

  • July 27, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Relativity

    by ObiBen

    All the actors in the prequels where better than moss on a rock, but that doesn't say much. The acting in the OT wasn't very good either, but good enough to at least create sympathy for the characters. ROTS almost got to that point in a few scenes at the end of the movie.

  • July 27, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    FIrst photo released and look at number of posts

    by leo54304

    Course with SW so much material to cover. And so far, no real nastiness like what always happens with the other francise: (Whisper: Star Trek)

  • July 27, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    kevred

    by ObiBen

    Big tonality issues: Immediately following 15 minutes of droid schtick (peddling in mid-air like Loony Tune characters, going "UH-HO!") by a scene depicting a guy getting decapitated after being rendered defenseless by having both hands chopped off is just too disjointed. After a few moments like that, you just go "Screw that, this thing is just Hollywood going Monte Carlo on every possible demographic available".

  • July 27, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Personally

    by funkylovemonkey

    I think Phantom Menace was a waste of space. Nothing that happened there really mattered; establishing the backstory of Anikan could have been done much better and much more interestingly, and seeing the rise of the Emperor from Senator to Chancellor really doesn't matter. Honestly the entire trilogy would have been improved if Attack of the Clones was the first movie with less aimless wandering and a better introduction of Anikan, the second movie been a Clone Wars episode that focused on Anikan slowly making compromises during the war that eventually leads him to the dark side, and the third movie staying where it is (for the most part). For me the hardest thing to swallow was the fall of Anikan and him becoming Vader. It seemed too big a leap to believe that Anikan would go from being a Jedi going to the council and telling them who the Sith Lord was and then ten minutes later killing defenseless children hiding in the tower. And that for me is the ultimate failing of the trilogy. The wooden acting and silly jokes aimed at children and over reliance on CGI all would have been much more forgiveable if in the end I feel like I knew how Anikan fell. But it seems like in the first two and a half movies Lucas was afraid to let Anikan show any shades of gray until the last moment. For me one incident where he killed a bunch of sand people in the desert after they captured and tortured his mother isn't enough.

  • July 27, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Anikan, you're breaking my heart

    by funkylovemonkey

    While I'm on it, what the hell was the deal with Vader force choking Padme when she was like a foot away from him? Force Choking was used mostly by Vader as some kind of badass Master move... he could kill you with his mind from across the room. But I don't think that scene called for a distant unemotional attack, it really called for Anikan to grab her. In the end physical violence isn't any worse then force violence, but the impact is greater. I remember when Dave Wolverton came and gave a lecture to our creative writing class in college, not long after he had written the Courtship of Princess Leia. And he told us that during his visit to Skywalker Ranch he was essentially told that he could whatever he wanted to any character except Luke, that Luke had to essentially off limits and any proposed character changes or evolutions had to be approved by Lucas... and that there wasn't much chance he would approve.

  • July 27, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    funkylovemonkey - Force choke

    by ObiBen

    It's as if they never realised that their own success never *exclusively* relied on spaceships, lasers, lightsabers, creatures, force choke-N-jump-N-push-N-pull etc, etc. Proof: tons of copycats from the 70s-80s had these sorts of elements, but never captured the heart of the audience as the OT movies did. And another point: One of the things I liked about SW was that everybody except the Empire staff talked and acted like real people. Now, they all talk like a Shakespearian actor going all I Claudius and sipping Earl Greay while playing a supposedly french captain on the salmon colored carpet of the bridge of the USS HolidayInn in a bad spinoff of Star Trek.

  • July 27, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Are we still harping on Star Wars?

    by RPLocke

    Get over it.

  • July 27, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    ObiBen & funkylovemonkey, great points

    by kevred

    The prequels did ultimately seem like some kind of rushed montage that re-enacted the events as though simply listing them off, and cramming them together in tone-deaf fashion. It's like the history-book version of Star Wars - this happened, then this happened, then this happened, all black & white, no nuance.<p>The OT was like listening to a symphony. The prequels, more like listening to 30-second samples of each track on Amazon. You get the gist, but there's no emotional impact.

  • July 27, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    strosmer I don't know... Lucas' prequel action rang hollow to me

    by MurderMostFowl

    I never could get over feeling that the prequels were set up specifically to be video games. Two sequences come to mind... I can't remember which one of the prequels this was in ( I tend to avoid them, though I'm not a hater.. it's just disappointing to me ) Anyway... <BR><BR> The scene where people are running through this industrial assembly line was utterly pointless, as well as Obiwan running around on his lizard monster thing. In both of those scenes there was no purpose at all... other than just plain eye candy. it felt like a manufactured maze.... "we've got to do this!" "why?" "I dunno... because we have to!" <BR><BR> Boring. At least the pod race had set up a valid ( though confusing ) reason why it needed to happen. <BR><BR>You know, actually almost all the prequel battles are this way. Playing Lego Star wars is basically the same feeling I get from these... you have infinite lives and you'r e basically walking through one long linear fight scene. <BR><BR>

  • July 27, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Always thought the old favorite...

    by MurderMostFowl

    Gotta look back and give props to "Ep3 a Lost Hope" fake trailer. It was poignant when it came out ... and told us point blank what was wrong with the prequels and predicted with a spooky level of accuracy how unsatisfying and goofy the 3rd movie would be.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    I LOVE John Williams, however...

    by Carolinamaestro

    He doesn't orchestrate his music. Ennio Morricone does (and so did Bach and Beethoven). That's a critical piece of information don'tcha think? Stay thirsty my friends.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks Carolinamaestro!

    by ObiBen

    I learned a new thing today, I was completely unaware of that. And now I'm thirsty.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Yes RPLocke...

    by DeadAtRecess

    we're still harping on Star Wars, so stop trying to antagonize. And Royston Lodge, I never bought any of the Star Wars comics that featured the big green rabbit. I boycotted those. Thanks for the mention of that it made me laugh as I remember as a child going on vacation to a cottage in northern Ontario (I'm from the Niagara region) and when we went into town the only comics that the little store had was a Star Wars issue with that stupid rabbit and a bagged 3-pack of...wait for it...Canadian superhero CAPTAIN CANUCK. Christ I spent my fucking vacation reading Captain Canuck. And yes it's as bad as it sounds. Back to SW...I have a question about jedi robes, and please hear me out and try to think about this logically. OK, so in ANH we meet Ben, the crazy old hermit who lives out beyond the Dune Sea. He's wearing tan and brown robes, which makes sense because when our awesome heroes journey to Mos Eisley we see many beings wearing brown and tan and robes because that's what you wear on a desert planet right? Stay with me...then in ROTJ we see luke wearing a brown hooded cloak, because he had to journey back to Tatooine and that cloak was probably procured from a local vendor as he needed it for the hike through the desert to Jabba's palace to protect him from sandy winds and the sun and shit. Then when we actually see his outfit he's dressed all in black and looks badass. Now my question is this...WOULD IT NOT MAKE SENSE THAT LUKE'S ROTJ OUTFIT IS TRADITIONALLY WHAT THE JEDI KNIGHTS WORE? The movie is RETURN of the JEDI. Wouldn't it make sense for Luke to be making a statement like "We're back motherfuckers!" to the bad guys? Why would all the jedi wear tan and brown robes? Do they strictly operate in desert climates? Wouldn't it make more sense for Obi Wan to have been disguised as A LOCAL to blend in? And you might think to yourself "Self, Yoda wore tan robes too when we met him in ESB, so I don't know what this DeadAtRecess guy is talking about", but you need to remember, that Yoda lived in a fucking swamp. Are you gonna go to the bayou in a business suit? No because you'd dress for the occasion. That's what Yoda and Ben did. I think it would have been way cooler to see the jedi all wearing cool black clothes like Luke and looking all soic and shit. And what was the deal with Anakin getting to have different robes than all the other jedi in the prequels? Why didn't they just circle him with a light pen like in a play by play with a label that says "This is the guy to watch out for because *spoiler alert* he becomes Darth Vader? So yeah, what about those crazy jedi robes? BTW good posts everyone...yes even the pro prequel posts that haven't gone to redlettermedia.com :) <-- smiley. ObiBen and funkylovemonkey good points. And MurderMostFowl yes watching those movies even felt like watching a video game.

  • July 27, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I meant to type "STOIC". Sorry.

    by DeadAtRecess

  • July 28, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST

    You're welcome ObiBen

    by Carolinamaestro

    And please drink responsibly.

  • July 28, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    DeadAtRecess

    by BoStrike1

    They had Luke's costume black in Jedi specifically as a way of tying him to his newly revealed father and to support the running plot line through the film about the possibility that Luke will turn to the dark side. It'd not coincidence that the first time we see him, he enters Jabba's palace looking like a Sith and then promplty uses his fathers signiture move to choke the guard (a move that is always associated with the dark side).

  • July 28, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    The forest ending in ROTJ was magical

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Everything they've been striving for shows they are simple folk, good ol humans and aliens amid the harmony of nature.

  • July 28, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Most Unintentionally Funny Moment

    by DrPepperPHD

    in Revenge of the Sith? I'll have to nominate Anakin informing Mace Windu that he believes Palpatine to be a Sith Lord. Mace responds with great surprise(and a horrible delivery by Jackson): "A Sith Lord??" <p> Keep in mind it was less than 10 minutes earlier we were subjected to this line of dialogue(more or less) from, you guessed it, the great & wise Mace Windu himself: "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The dark side of the force surrounds the chancellor." I giggled(like a girl) openly for about a solid minute after I heard this. At this point I was convinced that Windu & the entire council were complete asshats and deserved to die horribly. This is also when I knew for certain that the movie would only get worse...turns out I was right.

  • Aug. 29, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Uh...so the 'Clapper' replica...

    by CatVutt

    Is now for SALE at Starwarsshop.com. Did this image come straight from Lucasfilm to promote more collectable crap?