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Quint sees a Red Skull scene from Captain America at Comic-Con! Plus Q&A with Evans, Johnston and Weaving!

Published at: July 25, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here to fill you in on the Captain America portion of the Marvel panel. Kevin Feige started the panel which began with a teaser for Captain America, a film that has only been shooting for 5 days. The teaser was WW2 footage… typical stuff: planes bombing, anti-aircraft guns firing, soldiers marching, superimposed over what is obviously a very slow reveal of the red, white and blue shield. Roosevelt’s Day of Infamy speech plays over this footage as text appeared on the screen: Our courage and strength led us into battle, stories emerged of heroes … but one story has never been told. Bam, the full circular shield. Is shown, then fades to black as text appears: Every army starts with one man. Captain America’s silhouette, shield on the arm, standing in near profile. To black. “Next summer meet the world’s first avenger.” Chris Evans turning around in costume, very much like the designs we’ve seen over the last month or so. No wings on head, but very much a practical army suit. The title hit and then the zinger (you know the zinger… every trailer has one… you think it’s over and then BAM something else) was of Evans launching the shield right at camera.

I particularly liked this shot as it looked like the shield had a real weight to it and… well, it looked like how Cap throwing his shield should look. What can I say? Then they brought out Joe Johnston, Chris Evans and Hugo Weaving for the panel discussion. - A question was asked to Johnston about the tone of the film. He said he loves Raiders of the Lost Ark. “At no time when watching that film do you feel it was made in 1936. It feels as modern today as it did back (when it was released.” He said you only get one chance to tell the origin story and promised it won’t feel like a movie made in 1942. I guess this was his way of telling people that it won’t feel old and stupid because it’s set during WW2. - Evans on the pressures of taking on such an iconic character: said he has to put the magnitude of the project in a separate part of his brain so he doesn’t melt into a puddle of mess. - They are 5 days into shooting. “Eased into it. We did some nice, gentle scenes to get my feet wet.” - Evans - Hugo Weaving was asked about the voice. It is German, obviously, he said. Some of the Red Skull’s voice was inspired by Werner Herzog. - Joe looked at all the Captain Americas in comic history. “I’m a fan of the (Ed) Brubaker version of Captain America.” He’s borrowing Brubacker elements visually, especially for the suit. - Going slightly more modern than the original Captain America, which he said was basically just wearing PJs with the stars and stripes on it. - As of this appearance Evans hasn’t shot any of the actual movie in the suit. The teaser was built from costume tests. - Entire film takes place in the early 1940s. (says Feige) - Johnson wanted an actor that could pull off Steve Rogers pre-serum and that’s predominantly why he cast Chris Evans. - Weaving said he’s still playing with the mask, getting it to work properly. He didn’t elaborate, but I assume it’s a nice prosthetic piece. They cut the Q&A short, but showed an extended scene from what they shot last week. Norway, May 1942. Two men stand in a stone castle as one of the walls is busted inward, crushing one of the men. The room fills with Nazis as they restrain the older gentleman (who looked just like Finch from Potter, but I’m not 100% positive it was actually David Bradley).They go to an elaborate coffin, with an intricate stone design on top. “Open it! Quickly! Before he gets here.” Of course “he” is The Red Skull. Hugo, looking sharp in an SS uniform, is silhouetted in the hole the Nazis busted into the keep. After a beat, he comes down, obviously feared by his crew. His face is just normal Hugo Weaving as he approaches the terrified older guy that may or may not be Finch from Potter. “It took me a long time to find this place,” Weaving said with an eloquent menace. “What you seek is just a legend!” says the Old Man. :Then why make such an effort to conceal it?” Weaving easily pushes the heavy stone slab off the coffin, revealing a skeleton clutching a cube, which Weaving called the Jewel of Odin’s treasure room. The Cosmic Cube? I don’t remember if it’s tied to Thor in the books, but I like them already tying these franchises together. Weaving holds the cube, looking at it and suddenly smashes it. It’s a fake, a decoy and Skull saw through it. “It is not something one buries, but I think it is close, yes?” He walks to an elaborate door with a carving on it of a large tree. Tree of the world, garden of wisdom… and fate… Weaving says as he admires it. He reaches out and touches a snake eye in handle, which opens a container filledwith a glowing blue light. Weaving looks longingly inside and then back up at the old man. “You have never seen this, have you?” The old, defiant man answers: “It is not for the eyes of ordinary men… “ With a wicked smile Weaving says: “Exactly!” End of scene. Gotta say, it’s not exactly the kind of footage that makes you want rip your clothes off and dance a mambo, but I love it when they bring rough footage, especially this far out. The cinematography was sharp and this is coming from someone in the “Joe Johnston prove you’re going to make a good movie” camp, but Johnston earned some respect with the footage he showed. It looks fun, but not goofy. Great look, good performances and a fun feeling to it. Can’t wait to see more of the suit. I’m not sure what I think based on the split second I saw it moving… In one shot it looked a bit… baggy… on him. I trust they’ll make it work and this is only the first week of photography.

I’m fading fast, but that’s what went down at the Captain America panel! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • July 25, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST

    lol, Hawkeye

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    Hehehehe-tehehehe.

  • July 25, 2010, 6:25 a.m. CST

    It won't look like a movie made in 1940

    by teddy_duchamp

    What kind of a statement is that?

  • July 25, 2010, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Raiders

    by UtinniPuccini

    You don't believe Raiders was made in the 1940's, Johnston! Good for you, you saw through Spielberg's trick! He thought he could fool you, but you were too smart for him! Christ.

  • July 25, 2010, 6:29 a.m. CST

    The no "flag waver" still makes me nervous

    by LLcruize2

    I'm still very nervous about Johnston's comments earlier in the week about Steve Rogers not being a "flag waver". Since the film takes place solely in the 40's, this has to be the flag waving Capt America. Johnston's best not mess with this too much. You have a character who has the national flag as a suit AND his name includes his country. There is no fucking way he isn't a flag waver. I'm tired of Hollywood trying to universalize characters who are patriotic. Captain America has never been a zealot, a dogmatic flag waver. He has been about representing the IDEA'S for which America is supposed to stand for (not the failed attempts by politicians to interpret them) and defending those ideas from who threaten them, foreign or domestic. Captain America is a patriot in the truest sense. Johnston best not turn Captain America into a global warrior. He is America's warrior, period.

  • July 25, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Sounds cool as all hell. Tying it in with Asgardian stuff

    by Mr Nicholas

    is really neat.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    as lame as Iron Man was

    by 2007

    it seems no marvel film can replicate the awe just as the first did at comic con 2007

  • July 25, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Put wings on captain penishead

    by pikazerox

    sheesh

  • July 25, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    im hoping for the best

    by mojoman69

    I liked Rocketeer even though it flopped at the box office. I hope they can pull it off. Be nice to see BAron zemo in this too.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck nervous

    by bohdi71

    Every comic book adaptation will have someone whinging that they got the casting wrong or the costume or the time line yada yada yada, if iron man and the dark knight have taught us anything that we can look forwards to comic book movies. No sense in worrying until you see the movie.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    And here we go again...

    by Samplelord

  • July 25, 2010, 7:31 a.m. CST

    More complaints about a comic book guy...

    by Samplelord

    He is not a historical figure, its a fuckin comic book guy in jammies. All gringo's are upset cuz "he has no wings, he should be a flag lickin patriot"... But when the grino's make flicks based on actuel history based movies about wwII and fantasize the whole thing to make USAss look good nobody complaints... Let me remind you again...FUCKIN COMIC BOOK...NOT REAL. Be happy this is not like the Corman Cap A, you whiny, cellar dwellin, flag mastrubating, flabby, untrained, no sense of reality piece o gringo... THIS IS NOT REAL...ITS A DUDE IN JAMMIES...

  • July 25, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Too Many GD Origins

    by Autodidact

    Do we really need to see the origin of the Red Skull? Gee, I wonder if the Red Skull's origin will be tied to Cap's first mission? <p>Lame.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    If Red Skull Kidnaps Cap's Girlfriend

    by Autodidact

    I will walk out of the theatre.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    I WOULDN'T MIND DOING A GENTLE SCENE WITH EVANS'S WET FEET

    by BringingSexyBack

    Along with the rest of wet Evans.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    The "Zinger"

    by Autodidact

    I have been sick of "the zinger" ever since the stupid trailers for Cutthroat Island back in 1995.

  • July 25, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Won't be a like a 1940's war movie?

    by Hesiod2k7

    There were some damn good war movies in 1940. Ever hear of Casablanca, for example? Or Flying Tigers?

  • July 25, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    So you saw Red Skull?

    by Mechasheeva

    Or just Hugo Weaving in an SS uniform?

  • July 25, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    ER...in the 1940's.

    by Hesiod2k7

  • July 25, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    It sounds like the studio told Johnston to say...

    by rbatty024

    the film won't be like one of those boring old films. You know, the ones that somehow still kick the crap out of most modern drivel. My God does Hollywood think we're idiots.

  • July 25, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Joe Johnston Seems Confused About Causality

    by Autodidact

    It's almost as if he thinks that the time setting of the movie affects when people think it was made. Raiders better damn well not look like it was made in 1936... it was made in 1980. Why the hell would a 2010 movie set in WWII ever be confused for a movie made in WWII? You'd have to be a fucking retard.

  • July 25, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Captain America: Collateral Damage

    by misnomer

    One million innocent iraqi women and children, but at least we killed the guy that wished he had weapons!

  • July 25, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Captain America No-More

    by misnomer

    Cap sheds the burden of his suit after realising how corrupt and universally despised his country is and becomes...Captain Luxembourg!!

  • July 25, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Captain America: The Dark Shadow

    by misnomer

    Cap is concerned his suit is too body-fitting and grows concerned he'll be raped by a pack of niggers.

  • July 25, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Captain America To The Rescue

    by misnomer

    Ol' Cap gives the economy a much needed boost his super-idea.. "Sub-Prime Mortgage Lending!!!!!!" Hilarity ensues.

  • July 25, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    The marketing around this will not....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...exactly be SUBTLE. With the Avengers coming out 2012 rest assured that this will have all of the subtlety of a mallet to the head. People will be FORCED into theatres to ensure that the Avengers is a box office success.

  • July 25, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy...made me throw up in my mouth a little

    by butterbean

    Seriously.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Head Wings

    by acamp

    Cap's head wings would look redundant next to Thor's. Which is probably why they were cut.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    I know its early, I could still be asleep...

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    But did I just see a Neiman-Marcus ad for girlie pumps floating on this site where the Rene Belloq 12 inch action figure use to be? What the hell Harry? Time for a domain name change round these parts!!! <p> Aintitcoolnewstosellout perhaps?

  • July 25, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    He better actually BE the Red Skull

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Seems like they might just chicken out and have Weaving without makeup for most of the movie.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Get ready for a walk-out Autodidact

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    especially if you consider Bucky to be "Caps Girl"

  • July 25, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    wait. so you cast CA based on his pre-serum appearance?

    by Nerd Rage

    Couldn't you cast two different actors?

  • July 25, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Chris Evens still looks like a frat pledge

    by Nerd Rage

    and not like the leader of the mightiest superhero team.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    JOSS. GET STEVE SOME REDBULL FOR THE AVENGERS!!!

    by Shermdawg

  • July 25, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Skull F---!

    by skellngtn

    i'm looking forward to this one. hoping the Skull would already be in existence so there would be no more origin tales jammed into these movies...but i assume seeing the Jewel of Odin maybe burns his face away since it's not meant for ordinary men to see, and of course he's an evil, arrogant Nazi it'll be all "Raider's finale with the Nazi's", except he doesn't melt completely away. But I forgot EVERYONE's backstory has to tie into everyone else's in these things nowadays...like Sandman with Spidey, original Batman movie with Joker.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    2 different actors??

    by D.Vader

    I think that would look HORRIBLE. Just do a CGI enhanced body like Tobey in Spider-Man.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Where's Mickey Rourke...

    by Rocco Curioso

    when you really need him?<P>It would've been sweet had they (the Powers That Be "They") held him back for something more fully villianously realized than "Iron Man 2". Momentum from "The Wrestler" making this a moot point, but... I can dream, can't I?<P>Three words, retro-pertaining to MI3: Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Fuck all those "Batman 3" Penguin dreamcasting wishes. He can fit in just as well elsewhere.<P>Make it happen.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    No wings on his head.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Sculpted, metal wings on Thor's helmet.<P>What does Hollywood have against wings?<P>Namor's ankles are gonna suck!<P>I am excited about "glowing blue light," though. Every superhero movie gots ta have glowing colored lights. And, it's gotta spark, too. Nothing says worldly threat like glowing, colored, sparkly light. If they got the effects budget, they gotta make the light pulsate, as well. They can do it with computers, these days. No pulsation = ghey.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Cap's costume needs more flames.

    by rbatty024

    No flames, no deal.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    What I really want is a Captain Chaos movie

    by savagedave

    Starring a digital Dom Delouise.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    SORRY BUTTERBEAN BUT I GOTTA KEEP IT REAL

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 25, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    DAN DAN DAAAAHHHHHH!

    by savagedave

    etc

  • July 25, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Johnston sounds like a fool

    by Binkysguy

    It's like he's thinking "Ok, let's take everything that makes him Cap and do a 180. He's incredibly idealistic and patriotic, he's got a form-fitting suit to facilitate athletic movement, he's got wings on his head that give him an iconic silhouette...fuck all that! I'm gonna bring MY vision to the screen! Fuck the creators, writers and fans. I know what's best for the moviegoing public. Didn't you bastards see 'The Wolfman'?" If I were Evans I would have had a clause in my contract giving me final approval on costuming...but then again I actually care about presenting the character correctly.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Note to Marvel:

    by Mr Gorilla

    Can you please make this intelligible to viewers who like films but don't give a shit about comics? Because IRON MAN 2 failed on that front.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Digital Dom DeLuise

    by Subtitles_Off

    It ought to be a Talkback handle, savage.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    the punisher is back at marvel studios

    by ORIONgods

  • July 25, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Two different actors worked in Superman the Movie

    by Nerd Rage

    It could work for Captain America as well.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hey AICN!

    by Nerd Rage

    There's an awesome 6 minute trailer for DC Universe Online over at Superherohype that qualifies as "cool news".

  • July 25, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    The wings look idiotic.

    by rbatty024

    There, I said it. Look people, some things work in comics and some things work in movies. Sometimes they do not overlap. The wings would make Captain American look like the retarded neighbor dressed up for Halloween.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    rbatty, the wings never "worked" in the comics, either.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Captain America has always looked like "the retarded neighbor dressed up for Halloween." That's what he should look like in his movie.<P>Otherwise, he just looks like the douche who thinks he's so much better than the retard next door. That dude's a prick. One, for thinking he looks so cool, when he looks pretty stupid, too. And two, for picking on a developmentally challenged neighbor.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Johnston's comments on Raiders...

    by cinemixtape.com

    ...are very worrisome. Raiders feels "modern day?" What movie has he been watching all these years?

  • July 25, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    The wings work fine.

    by Nerd Rage

    There have been dozens of interpretations of the wings in the comics. Find one that works in live action and put them puppies on the side of the mask. Easy enough. They can look like army medals or painted on. But Cap's head looks too naked without them.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    what i liked about the film glory is that...

    by iwasredempted

    it didn't look like it was filmed during the civil war. it looked like a bunch of civil war reenactors running around. that's exactly what i like from my movies. i don't want the payoff of captain america in 40's ww2 set pieces during arguably the only black and white war with heroic soldiers then thrown into the modern world of complicated greys of the war on terrorism. no i don't want that kind of complicated payoff in a movie. what i want is a shitty stephen sommers movie. because i'm stupid that way.{br} i didn't look like it was filmed in the 40's....uh, wait....WHAT!?...

  • July 25, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Subtitles and Nerd Rage

    by rbatty024

    Subtitles, I suppose I'm the asshole picking on the developmentally challenged neighbor. Fair enough. I'm not sure if you a pro or anti wings, but I don't feel like fidelity to the source material is important enough to make a silly looking costume. Besides, in the end the wings will mean little. The Transformers movies weren't terrible because of the flames on Optimus Prime. That film had much larger issues. If this film is any good, then no one will be discussing the costume design, so long as it works with the aesthetic of the film (I don't mean to say that it's entirely unimportant). <p> I do agree that his strange Raiders comment, suggesting that everyone thinks that because a movie is set in the 1940s that it must also be shot like a film in the 1940s, is particularly worrisome. It's not that I want a film that is in fact shot like a 1940s movie (although that would be cool), but because it sounds like something a studio thinks audiences believe, and it possibly a message he was given by a higher up. This means Johnston could be making this movie according to the dictates of some clueless producer. It might also suggest that he feels the need to talk down to the audience.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    meant it didn't look like...

    by iwasredempted

    fucking talkbacks doesn't seem like it's in an internet forum in 2010. fuck we're not in the 1995...let's get an edit function jesusmaryandjoseph...

  • July 25, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm...

    by Fuzzyjefe

    let's see here....don't want cap to be a flag-waving patriot huh? Y'mean, like he WAS? The man that VOLUNTEERED for a dangerous super-soldier serum experiment because that would be the only way he could make it to the battlefield? The man who WAS a flag-waving patriot, like many Americans during WWII? <p> That's asinine, sorry. See, that's what makes the world such a shock to him when he's awakened in present day. He was put on ice when the atmosphere WAS VERY MUCH 'rah-rah America'. He has to 'adjust'. They call that an 'arc'. Just take away a nice chunk of characterization why don't you? <p> I suppose it's a bit like saying that the only thing Han Solo ever smuggled was food and diapers to babies who were repressed by the Empire. Dum-dum-dumbass. <p> THAT SAID, I don't really give a damn about his head wings. Costume looks good to me.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Whoa. Look at that. It's a double rainbow.

    by beane2099

  • July 25, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Origins, lets see:

    by leo54304

    CA,Bucky,Skull,Invaders,each invader,Tommy Lee Jones and brit chick with the rack-brief backgrounds for each at list,supersoldier formula story-counting that as an origin and don't forget screen time for Anthony Stark. Anything I miss? To save time hope they do a scrolling into to set up movie ala star wars.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I wish someone would finally decide

    by Fuzzyjefe

    'Y'know what? There's been enought of these comic films. Let's just throw all this cool stuff in there, and believe that the audience would just accept it without a bunch of 'splainin'...surely by now the language of these things has been well-laid.'

  • July 25, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Fuzzyjefe...preach on brother....

    by iwasredempted

    being calculating is almost counter-intuitive to being inspired.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Misnomer

    by mojoman69

    Niggers? really? is this 1888? knock off the racist shit. it is ridiculous.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Not expecting this to be good

    by blunted666

    ...but am hoping anyways. The way I'm seeing what they describe here in my head seems alright, but they have only been shooting for 5 days. Who knows how good or bad this will be. They can win me over if they make MODOK look like the real crazy-ass looking MODOK.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Thanks iwasredempted...

    by Fuzzyjefe

    That's one reason I really like Constantine (I know, not a popular opinion...I would have preferred a Brit myself, but we got what we got): they just threw you into this world of demons, angels, exorcisms, and psychics and expected you to just keep up. There was some exposition, but the opening scene when he drops the demon out the window in the mirror; it was just keep up or shut up.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    mojoman69

    by misnomer

    its in reference to mel gibsons racist rant. saying "nigger" in of itself isn't racist, it's about the context.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    was Hitler Rothschild shown in the trailer?

    by shogunshin

    Adolph Jacob Hitler was the grandson of a ROTHSCHILD. how do you think he rose from army grunt to sociopathic dictator? because the Rothschilds funded his rise to power. I hope Captain America smashes Hitler Rothschild in this skull in this flick!!!

  • July 25, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Just let audience play catch up is way to go

    by leo54304

    great point fuzzy. Example of Constantine is excellent. If audience can't keep up or want to know background on characters, let them use the web if they want to know more. In Raiders, just a bit about Jones was dished out and that was by the people that knew him. Smooth way to keep story moving and filling in the character.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    oh god not this cunt again

    by savagedave

    It's bad enough with the shoefuckers and Alex Jones tinfoil hat brigade.

  • July 25, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Steve Rogers was a patriot no doubt

    by Chain

    I think what Johnston meant was he was not that he wasn't a patriot but one who could discern American ideals and actual policies. he wasn't one to just fall in line no matter the mission. A cause he believed in you couldn't stop him. but he didn't follow blindly.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Screw Captain America

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    I want Captain Caveman! Captain Caveeeeemannnn!

  • July 25, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    savgedave are you referring to me or shotgunshin?

    by leo54304

    Hope it was him as I didn't my post was that bad. His-less said the better.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    ya...lets take a big dump on simon and kirby

    by brabon300

    and say that brubaker did it better...very nice

  • July 25, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    yeah i wasn't referring to you

    by savagedave

    That'd be a bit harsh!

  • July 25, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    CAP WILL HAVE WINGS IN USO SCENES

    by Darth Busey

    He starts out as USO propaganda. He'll have the "old school" outfit (pj's with wings) in these scenes. Later, he goes AWOL to actually fight on the front. Then, he'll wear the getup they revealed already.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Kirby style:

    by leo54304

    Adventure, visually crazy concepts and villains, crisp dialogue, got to know just enough the character w/o it getting in the way of the story. If there was a Kirby movie to reference it'd be Raiders. Yeah, lets not go with Kirbys CA.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    if you're knocking Brubaker

    by oisin5199

    then you're an idiot and haven't read his run. Sure, Simon and Kirby created the icon, but Brubaker DOES do it better. At the beginning, Cap was a flat character who punched out Hitler and spouted patriotic, often racist nonsense. Brubaker, while certainly not the first to round out Cap's character, actually gave Rogers interesting motivations in a modern world, intriguing espionage plots, real relationships, believable and thrilling adventures with formidable, non-cartoony villains, injected with real-world politics. If Johnston is pulling from Brubaker, then we are in damn good shape. Stop making up shit to be worried about.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Do they ever put out Comic-Con DVDs?

    by HapaPapa72

    So we don't just have to hear all this stuff second or third hand? I know G4 has a lot of coverage, but still, I think a DVD would be a neat idea, especially if not all us geeks are able to escape our basements.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    osin5199, Brubaker is doing a GREAT job on CA

    by leo54304

    and enjoying it immensely. Just think for a CA movie, the Kirby is what I want to see and would be easier to do. They decided to with Brubaker, don't a problem but no matter which version they go with, CA is a hard movie to do right.

  • July 25, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Er.. Raiders was made in 1980 not 1936

    by catlettuce4

  • July 25, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Catlettuce, think you were referring to me

    by leo54304

    Reason I mentioned that movie is because it was the type of movie that captured the spirit of Kirby. My previous post covered why I thought the movie captured the storytelling style that Kirby did. If I'm wrong, sorry.

  • July 25, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Dino dream sequence! Please insert one in this film.

    by UltraTron

    It's just such a smart decision! I know! You don't need dinos. Have the red skull in cap's dream serving sushi on an airplane in full red-skull prosthetics but he's wearing a chef's apron.

  • July 25, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    @Autodidact

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    Don't be an idiot. They'd only been shooting for 5 days, the footage used for the WWII stuff was stock and they only put it together so that they'd have something at all to show at ComicCon.

  • July 25, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Cosmic Cube

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    Has little or nothing to do with Thor, IIRC. It's got lots to do with Cap and the Red Skull, but not Thor. <p><p> Now, it would be cool if the Cask of a Thousand Winters were somehow tied into this...

  • July 25, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    He lost me at the PJ reference of the costume.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Love how even the directors don't fully understand the character.

  • July 25, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Chewbacca, best idea of the day!!

    by leo54304

    NOW thats a concept I can get behind. Maybe have Loki and Skull be the reason avengers get together due to those items. The initiative is govts plan when they find out Skull is back and has chance at unlimited power so govt takes in Stark, searches for cap and waits for Thor to drop out of the sky. Crazy plot with lots of holes but having fun with it.

  • July 25, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    lol @ weaving

    by Kontarsky

    He's no Richard Sammel. Anyway, fuck this noise. <br><br> Time to get munchies for True Blood.

  • July 25, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by brabon300

    brubaker is one of the best writers today<p>but if you are putting cap into ww2, brubaker doesnt work<P>did you watch the pacific? everybody spouted racist crap...thanks to the propaganda put out by the studios at the insistence of the government<p>the movie wont work if you put a late 20th century rogers into the ww2 era<p>and all im saying is that the director went out of his way to dump on simon and kirby...who created an iconic character that has lasted for 70 years<p>is he gonna go out of his way to update the red skull and not make him so evil?

  • July 25, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Comparison to Raiders version of 1936

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It's great this is going to be modern. But the movie takes place in WW2. I think it would be great if a studio had the guts to make a period film that looked like it came from that era. Like the biggest budget technicolor extravaganza from that era. Old fashioned title cards, score, staging, etc. Something that would look at home on TCM.</p> <p>Oh well I can dream. Watchmen came close to this by trying to recreate the 80s but no one here supported it, so the studios probably think an idea like mine is too weird/won't make a profit.</p> <p>In exchange I'll settle for a disco era version of Dazzler that people might mistake for a more violent director's cut of Xanadu.</p>

  • July 25, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Brubaker can do WWII just fine

    by oisin5199

    in fact he made it waaay more interesting with his ret-con of Bucky as a trained wetworks soldier masquerading as a teen sidekick. If all you're looking for is jingoistic propaganda shit, then fine, but if you want a layered, interesting story taking place during WWII then a Brubaker inspiration is a pretty good place to start.

  • July 25, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    filming for five days

    by godhelpus

    crazy to see the actors while they are so close to their characters, chris seems more humble right now, this movie may have a chance, very interested in how this turns out, fingers dubiously crossed

  • July 25, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    If anybody cares . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . its FILCH, from Harry Potter, not FINCH. Yeah, I know . . .

  • July 25, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Man do I wish Jack Kirby was still around.

    by punchydugan

    Well that's a given. But it would be nice to see him involved with the writing of this film. You know, the guy that co-created the character AND actually fought in World War 2.

  • July 25, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Arkhaminmate001, I do not think

    by thx185

    <p>it means, what you think it means. "Camp"? That seems to be a bit of a catch-all term lately.</p> <p>You may not care for Kirby's astral take on Thor, but it's hard for me to see that stuff as "campy". The character designs and universe-spanning story lines kick ass for what they are.</P> <p>Likewise the baseball & apple pie values of Captain America.. he's like the Marvel version of Superman as far as values and character goes.</p>

  • July 25, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Save Johnston's direction for a crappy sequel.

    by Flip63Hole

    This is going to look like a SciFi movie of the week, just like the rest of the garbage he's directed...

  • July 25, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Better be good!!

    by conservativeandproud

    I hope it's better than Iron Man 2 which imo was "mediocre" at best. Apparently in Jon Fav world everyones a natural comedian, but I have hopes for this one and Thor. I think the Avengers will suck "big time" due to Josh Whedon at the helm, with his heavy reliance on witty pop culture references, his 90210 like dialogue, and his only feature looking like a crappy Sci Fy channel movie of the week". Don't forget about Iron man 2 with it's 15 minutes of action, and 90 minutes of Robert Downey talking about his chess. That sucked!!!

  • July 25, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    this is off subject but...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    guys, check out my Inception spoof at www.fumpdibbidy.blogspot.com

  • July 25, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Why Are You Suggesting I'm Being an Idiot?

    by Autodidact

    Don't bite off more than you can chew (baca).

  • July 25, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    They fuckin' better Voldemort-inize Weaving's nose off!

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    No shit, if I have to endure another Red Skull with a nose I'm going ballistic!

  • July 25, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I like, but still undecided.

    by Yelsaeb

    I hope its good. I reeeeaaallly hope its good.

  • July 25, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    You see this

    by TheJudger

    Lets say he has a ww1 pilot wing metal. Lets say someone shoots him and it breaks the wings off, lets say he welds them onto his helmet at an airbase or something. Becuase they mean so much to him. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2fhj8j2 Like this is it's ww2 or------------------ Like this if its ww1 http://tinyurl.com/29356oy

  • July 25, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    The wings could have belongs to his dad

    by TheJudger

    his brother a freind, someone close, I dont know much of the capt's history. But the wings has an easy answer. It was a medal he owned, and it got broke, and he turned it into a fucking symbol of freedom, becuase hey Joe Johnson whats more fucking free than flying a goddamn fucking plane. We want the wings!

  • July 25, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    ya....im looking for jingoist, racist shit

    by brabon300

    i want cap to call the germans krauts and nazis and be all rah rah america<p>because if you dont do that, then him waking up in modern day america isnt a future shock<p>shoot, even in the comics (where kirby went out of his way with his conservative sensibilities) cap was a man out of time<p> i want a guy who loved big band music to wake up to tony stark listening to 50cent, and want to rip his ears off<P>dont care about the wings...do care that the fucking director doesnt know the diff between chain mail body armor and pj's....cap never wore spandex

  • July 25, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Brubaker? Brubaker? Come on.

    by kevred

    All of the iconic portrayals form the past, and *this* guy inspires the film? Bah.<p>oisin claims that he "actually gave Rogers interesting motivations in a modern world, intriguing espionage plots, real relationships, believable and thrilling adventures with formidable, non-cartoony villains, injected with real-world politics". news flash: this was done as early as the early 70s. Those things are NOT new. Like so many things today, they seem new and exciting to those who don't know the history.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I know the history just fine, kevred

    by oisin5199

    maybe you missed the part of my post where I said Brubaker was not the first to do this? Maybe you should read more carefully next time before you bash someone's post. Besides, I still think Brubaker's approach is way more interesting and subtle than the secret conspiracy plot in the 70s when Nixon was the villain. And Brubaker has style and narrative flow to outshine what has come before.

  • July 25, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Love the Kirby/Simon, Steranko, and

    by Dingbatty

    Brubaker/Epting versions. Not sure why he says he prefers the Bru version but they chose to make the costume look sort of like the Ultimates version -- the Epting version is the iconic look.<p>Anyhow, Kirby never had conservative sensibilities; he was a liberal, according to his friend Mark Evanier:<p>http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq1.htm

  • July 26, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Infinity Gauntlet pic

    by Monolith_Jones

    http://tinyurl.com/37n7cp5

  • July 26, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    where is the trailer?

    by shogunshin

    also, im PSYCHED you guys read my posts, and remember me. its workin! Hitler was indeed the son of a Rothschild. do the research yourself if you do not believe me.

  • July 26, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Having the Asgardians tied in with the Cosmic Cube makes sense.

    by The Founder

    I could care less if the Asgardians in the comics had nothing to do with the Cube. For the movies it makes sense and a good way to tie them together. Now of course it sounds good reading but I'll withhold final judgement until I see the movie.

  • July 26, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    this film does not sound good

    by Waka_Flocka

  • July 26, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Hope they don't have Cap in modern day...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...constantly having mental flashbacks to his old school Nazi-fighting days in the 40's, like some kind of superhero Highlander TV show or fucked-up Wonder Years. "This nuclear terrorist reminds me of another bloodthirsty menace back in the day... Adolf Hitler!" (Cue spooky music and blurry screen)

  • July 26, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Going with the cube/asgard tie in also

    by leo54304

    As I posted awhile back, the avengers iniative was in place before Stark became IM. Thinking govt had plan in place should cosmic cube resurface. So when Stark became IM and known to be him, Fury approached him. Search for CA has been going on for decades. With Thor have been looking for way to make contact but has failed. However his exile from Asgard changed that. The govt wants a team to become the replacement of the invaders team from WW2 (thats why they're in the CA film). Govt knows Skull is still alive and searching for cosmic cube he lost in the CA movie. Loki will probally be involved as well both out of nod to the book but as the asgardian tie to the cube.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I'll go with CA Kilik

    by leo54304

    Brits-with-tits CA love interest loses to gotta-get-me-hammer-luving Natalie Portman.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Movie CA outfit reminds me of Silver Agent

    by leo54304

    from Astro City with some aspects of the Guardian from DC. Similiar in helmet, armor and agent carried gun as well.

  • July 26, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Does anybody know where I can see the leaked

    by templar

    footage. Youtube is busted

  • July 26, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Wings, Dammit!!

    by Stalkeye

  • July 26, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Johnston looks like he's gonna choke a bitch

    by SithMenace

    in that second pic. Damn.

  • July 26, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Put the wings on and he's the Captain

    by donkingkong

    easy fix

  • July 26, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Captain USO

    by NippleEffect

    groan

  • July 26, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I thought Joss Whedon

    by NippleEffect

    was directing both Captain America and The Avengers<p> For style and feel continuity

  • July 26, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    So...

    by Dawhiteguy

    Marvel hired a Director that is talking shit about the costume. Which means this a movie based roughly on a comic book by the people producing it. Great! A gun toting fellow in a costume that does not look like pajamas in the middle of a war. It starting to sound more like a rough cut of the story and based on one of the characters, "Captain America" actually, in Generation Kill.

  • July 26, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Ed Norton

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    should make a cameo as Bruce Banner....oh wait, Marvel Sucks!

  • July 26, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    What about Mark Gruenwald's run...

    by Master Bruce

    on CAPTAIN AMERICA back in the late 80s/early 90s?...he did some great work on Cap!

  • July 27, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Gruenwalds run included

    by leo54304

    Introduction of Skull Crew,reinventing Serpent Society, Johnny Walker, Commission on Super Human Activities, Diamondback, Kingpin/Red Skull Drug war. Just a fantastic run by a fantastic guy.