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Comic-Con!! All The Video From Friday’s Joss Whedon Experience!!
I am – Hercules!!
Joss Whedon’s Thursday Comic-Con appearance with J.J. Abrams made more news, but Whedon’s Friday solo appearance had some interesting stuff too.
For one thing, he revealed he didn’t decide Echo’s handler Boyd was an evil mastermind until season two, after the early season-two ratings made Whedon realize “Dollhouse” was not long for this world.
Also, if you haven’t heard, Whedon himself has written the conclusion of funnybook series “Buffy: Season Eight.” The final five issues will hit shelves September through January.
Did you know Whedon, Stan Lee, Harry Knowles and Morgan Spurlock are all producers on a big-screen Comic-Con documentary shooting this week? Is true!
My Canadian friend and frequent talkbacker “Buffywrestling” pointed me toward this footage of Friday’s “Joss Whedon Experience”:
And if you haven’t seen it, here’s some up close and personal footage of Thursday’s Whedon-Abrams panel:
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And for fuck's sake Joss, stop twatting around and bring back Firefly somehow. Castle won't last forever, Fillion will be up for it, and the rest could use it I'm sure. <p> <p> Fuck I miss that show.
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on the Ed Norton firing!<p>Either people are too chickenshit or Marvel has banned the question from coming up!<p>Whatever, its pure bullshit either way!
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Asimovlives head explodes in 3... 2...
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Before this all kicks off again. If you didn't like the 2nd half. Accept it ends at season 3 and move on.
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on Amazon. is true! also i don't think there are enough comic con articles on here. just sayin.
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The doc is going to be unbelievable.
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<p>I really wonder if one day Abrams will rip his face off and reveal himself to the world as Chris Carter.</p><p>Or maybe he's actually Brett Ratner...or Roland Emmerich... All the cat's meow for the first 15 minutes, all hacks after that time had past.</p><p>Hate on me, but I call 'em like I'z sees 'em.</p>
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...when he decided that an 'alternative timeline' Enterprise should look so fugly, and that 'engineering' should look like a 'Bud' factory now. And that 'Scotty' needed to be accompanyied by a ridiculous alien dwarf now...<P>rben, any chance of a link for that comic-con DVD?
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ever thing he touches turns to gold
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boooo hish jar jar abrams is garbage. dawson trek sucks. jj causes global warming.....
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<p>...that Abrams used the 'alternate timeline' device on THREE different productions in the SAME year! Star Trek, Fringe and Lost.</p><p>*cough*hack*cough*</p>
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Loves me some Maggie Q, check it. <p> http://tinyurl.com/38to6pj <p> Thats fuckin hot..
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The Joss Whedon experience? Whedon acting like he's the coolest thing in the room. Whedon, you could be alone with a turd and you still wouldn't be the coolest thing in the room.
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Plus Joss is a girls name.<p> You know it. I know it. And fuck it, even Whedon knows it.
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He may suck balls. Just because nerds liked looking at Michelle Gellars tits and Nathan Fillions faux toughness doesn't mean he can direct shit. Yeah, Serenity was great but that carried a lot of momentum from the series. 'Visionary' my hairy ass...
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Go work for fox and get canceled twice.
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... but only the ill-informed blame him for the perceived failings of Lost. He did the pilot, contributed to the series bible they hardly used (apparently) and was pretty much hands-off after the first few eps. <p> <p> Blame the rest for cock-teasing us for six seasons of brilliance then fucking it up the ass in the last fifteen minutes. <p> <p> And yes, the Enterprise engineering section looked like a Bud brewery. And you know what? I didn't give a shit!
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...Whedon should do the same.
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Huge fan here - Firefly could've and should've been our new Star Wars... Angel was frequently flat-out fantastic (even though he only oversaw it)... and once I gave in and got through the box sets of that one about the blonde cheerleader killing vampires... there was genius at work there. <p> <p> But Avengers is his ticket to proving he isn't the one-trick pony even his biggest fans are beginning to suspect. ie, Throw enough snappy dialogue at the page and bend the narrative around a young girl who can, predictably, um, kick ass and stuff, and expect a hit. We need something new Joss. Prove you can do it.
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He gave us Lost and revised Star Trek. He deserves our thanks.
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Abrams has a long way to go before he's in the Nolan, Fincher, Arofnofsky, Tarantino class.. But Star Trek was a good start. (Fuck, it's saturday and I'm writing this shit)
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... is the only TRUE Mission Impossible film. In that there's actually an Impossible Missions TEAM featured. The other two were basically Tom Cruise as Bond-By-Another-Name, with occasional appearances by Ving Rhames. <p> <p> Just as with Star Trek, it was truer to the essence of the '60s original than people give it credit for.
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Hey moron, Abrahms isn't trying to be Fincher. And when was the last good Tarentino movie? In 1991?
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I Know that people are busy, but WTF??? they releases pictures all over the internet about the helmets of Thor, Odin And Loki, for the THOR movie, and nothing on aintitcool, the helmets at least for me, are PERFECT, do a quick search and see for yourself, and maybe i don't know, someone could do a news about it...
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i mean, golly, it hasn't even been made yet. Amazon is quick but not that quick. oh, and i'm from Philadelphia and we are massive sarcastic snots....
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I hope you knock it out of the park man
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July 24, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST
yes I just did google news for thor helmet and they do look swee
by Rupee88
thanks for the tip
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Whedon and Abrams? Bit of a come-down from Cameron and Jackson last year. <p> Somebody please put into words for me why people like JJ Abrams. Whedon did Serenity whic was cool, but MI3 and Star Trekmallwars are dreadful. Why is their director considered a visionary? Stanley Kubrick was a visionary. These guys? Not so much.
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You didn't think Pulp Fiction was a good Tarantino movie? Sorry, I forgot you're the guy that thinks Blade Runner is boring.
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Abrams is a visionary because he directed the Lost pilot and 'revised' Star Trek? <p> Okay...
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Willis just said he's pushing for the Unbreakable sequel. Something funny is happening in my pants.
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THAT MAKES ME FURIOUS! Actually, no. I knew it would be cancelled before it aired and am glad I didn't watch it. I miss the dollhouse talkbacks, though... or rather, the hijacked dollhouse talkbacks. I miss reading about all of Media Messiah's weekly open letters which (he believed) would save the show--as if every episode is written and produced the week before it airs.
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if you Trekie geeks think Abrams movie was a travesty, that's fine by me. But I loved his Star Trek--I NEVER, NOT ONCE, EVER, felt the need to watch ANYTHING star trek. But I liked that Abrams movie started from the beginning as opposed to going the Bryan Singer/Superman Returns route where they might as well have put in a scene of Singer sucking Donner's cock because that's all that movie was.
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and even though this wasn't posted on Coax, I read "Whedon" in the title and immediately knew Herc was behind it, and immediately knew Whedon is still behind herc pounding his asshole violently like herc loves it.
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I wonder what that means?
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the most overrated writer/director in Hollywood for the past 15 years. The man got Avengers due to his cult following not his directing or writing talent.
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July 24, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST
Nerd Rage you can applied that logic to Jon Fauvre..
by HollywoodHellraiser
Michael Bay, Bret Ratner, JJ Abrams, etc, and etc!
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... and rethink that. <p> <p> Never mind the fast-forwardable Universe-sketching bit at the very start... <p> <p> ... check out the introduction to the Serenity crew themselves. One tracking shot*, following Mal through the whole ship and introducing each character quickly and brilliantly. It brings newcomers up to speed and thrusts them into the 'Verse, and the action. It's an actually quite remarkable feat of expediency is setting up a story, and technically and directorialy impressive as hell. <p> <p> Lesser movies, writers, and directors, would take twice as long to bumble through such a set up. <p> <p> *Yes, I know there is one cut hidden in there in the whip-pan from one corridor to another. It's still genius.
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did that ever get good? I just remember these programmable sperm receptacles
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I forgot you were the guy that likes average movies.
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or maybe captive aliens arguing with one another. <p>lmao.
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Too bad that was the only good scene in the movie. The rest plays out like a TV mini series.
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took way to long to get there<p> wherever there is
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the buffy angel fight totally rocks<p> bur\t I'm going to sit here and say<p> *What have you done for me lately*<p> Since you went away I got hooked on InuYasha <p> and you know i BLAME YOU FOR THAT
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Look at what he directed on a tiny budget on Dopplegangland and Hush and The Body and Once More With Feeling. Dude can direct.
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for all the complaining some do about the "hyperbole" some people spew for Whedon and anyone like him, it always makes me laugh seeing people put just as much if not more "hyperbole" into how much they apparently dont like these people. you'd think if you disliked something soooo much, you'd do everything in your power to avoid having to talk about it much less get this involved.
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was obvious it wasn't planned from the beginning. As a means to end the series it was ok. Just a shame that the episode where they tried to explain his motivations was so awful. Dollhouse season 2 though is 11 solid to great episodes and 2 duff ones. The other being the amazing mifire that was the breastfeeding ep. Urgh that was bad. <P><P>Whedon does great TV. Firefly, Angel season 5 and various Buffy episodes are some of the best network TV in recent times. I'd love to see what he could do on a cable channel. Still, here's hoping Avengers allows him one project that doesn't get fucked by studio interference. <p><p>And yeah I miss the Dollhouse TBs too. Media Messiah is internet GOLD
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for ensemble television. So many amazing moments, with or without dialogue, that established characters, gave them depth, and hit amazing poignancy. I really don't understand how anyone can watch the Firefly pilot, Out of Gas, or Objects in Space, and not see the brilliance. I don't see how anyone can see Firefly and not immediately know that Joss is the perfect choice for the odd ensemble which is the Avengers. Whiners don't know what they're talking about.
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obnoxious, narcissistic, paranoid schizophrenic prick.
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Really? I always thought Star Trek was or MASH. Or Seinfeld.
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i'm with herc and feel dirty because of it becuase those episodes he listed were pulled off brilliantly. Wasn't buffy the leader of the pack where TV started to go towards longer story arcs instead of episodic one-story-a-show.
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So was Zombieland before the movie came out, and that was shit.
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Well that's just.... bullshit. <p> <p> Everyone I've shown that movie to - who wouldn't know Whedon from anyone, would never go near Buffy - all agree that it's a fucking great sci-fi flick and deserved more than one sequel. <p> <p> When I see the utter SHIT that spawns follow-ups these days, I always think how many stories were out there in the Firefly universe. <p> <p> And yes, I blame its failure on a flat-out fucking terrible ad-campaign, which made it look like ninja-girl in space.
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Almost finished the series on DVD, but it was soooooo lame. I don't doubt that the guy can point a camera, and his X-Men run was good, but Firefly is garbage. Best recent television? Are you people kidding me? Go watch The Wire and tell me that Firefly is still good.
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turns me into a giggler<p> if you don't get it or can't get on board<p> I mourn for you man<p> Your like that retarded reindeer deer from that red-headed kids show<p> *I Love You Red Headed Kid*<p> *I Love You Retarded Reindeer*
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for Serenity as well as those Buffy eps that Herc listed. It's like a film class lecture - he gives purpose to every shot & pays attention to how other directors have pulled off their shots. Dude can direct.
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Just asking, like.
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As if the two CAN ever or SHOULD ever be compared, you twat. They;re entirely different. Go back and watch "V" or "Flashforward" or "Stargate SG1Ublahblah" or one of another two dozen shows and tell me Firefly isn't worth shit. THOSE are the shows you should be comparing i to.
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tv is ruined forever man
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man-crush.
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i can't hold my breath forever
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...mentioned in any of these videos?
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Chris Nolan just mentioned in the new EW (with Inception on its cover) that his films have been rather cold...emotionally speaking, and, as a result, he has thought about changing that, of recent--as emotion is at the core of what moves audiences. Well, I have been making that criticism of Nolan, openly here on AICN...since TDK, yet, many of you Talkbackers have called me insane for saying it??? That said, it is nice to know that I was not off the mark in my critique, and that Nolan now feels the same way about his films--which again, now correspond to the center point of my past remarks about what I felt, and feel, is lacking in his films. Perhaps, Nolan is smart enough to listen to...even the minority fan...who doesn't play the role of the typical "Yes Man"..."I just want to fit in" ass kissing fan? I know that Joss Whedon once said; "You should listen to everybody's opinion, because sometimes the dumbest guy in the room...is right." And of course, sometimes...the smartest guy in the room is right. Which of the two I am, I leave it up to you guys to debate--but at least I have an opinion, one that I am willing to voice, that challenges creative decisions made by the media mogals that we celebrate...when I think they are in error, and I dare to suggest ways that they may mend those errors. Besides, you never know who is playing the fly on the wall in these Talkbacks, and paying attention to what we write--and thus, fashion their works in part because of smart fan based reactions?
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July 24, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
2nd best 'con story ever had to do with that Whedon guy
by NippleEffect
few years back<p> folks put money into a 'con<p> They get to the hotel and the hotel goes *we have no idea what your talking about*<p> The way I herd it, Adam was the first celb to show up<p> He heard what happened and got on the phone to Joss<p> Everyone was boned out of their money but the Buffy alumni turned out and made it a really memorable event<p> All the regular folks had to shell out for hotel rooms again<p> I never heard if the guys who booked with the money got caught<p> Bur people there said they had the best times of their lives<p> And yes<p> Joss invited his goddamn guitar
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Brian Singer? McG? Ratner? Michael fucking Bay? Shymalamadingdong? No matter how much you fanboys whine, Fincher, Jackson or Nolan aren't going to do it. James "never met a hackneyed cliche he didn't love" Cameron? Fuck off! So who is left? I'll take Whedon any day of the damned week over the rest of those usual suspects.
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http://tinyurl.com/244cz82 <p> This is AICN where the talkbackers are the ones that have to do all the reporting work.<p> You can thank me later.
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http://tinyurl.com/283ob2x <p> <p> As always, you can thank me later.
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http://tinyurl.com/2bc8773 <p> http://tinyurl.com/25m4zzd
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http://tinyurl.com/2epuk6h <p> http://tinyurl.com/2gxr3cm
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I also noticed, that I was the sole person on the Talkbacks that pointedly said that Inception (ripped-off and) was inspired by Dark City. (I also pointed to The Matrix, The 13th Floor, The Cell, and Dreamscape. Those films are all direct sources of inspiration for Inception, and in the EW article, Nolan admits that at least the first 3 of those films inspired Inception, and yet, and once again, I was attacked here by those who said, "No way! Inception was all original!!! No, you are crazy to criticize Nolan, MM!!!" Well, history now records, I was right, yet again. And Nolan, again, has admitted it.
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Doug Liman, Alfonso Cuaron, Brad Bird, Paul Greengrass, even Zach Snyder has a better track record. Oh and James Cameron has directed a few action classics and several hit films. How many classic or hit films has your boy Whedon directed?
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TDK business. Hell, it isn't even doing Batman Begins business.
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http://tinyurl.com/22ubarw <p> <p> You're Welcome!!! And no thanks to AICN! <p> <p> Oh, and Whedon has a massive forehead ; he could easily play a Villain with that cranial expanse, in a comicbook movie without having to use make-up.<p> <p> But then again, considering the fact that he's going to royally fuck up only the biggest Comicbook movie ever in the Avengers, I guess you could say that he's getting the role of a lifetime and getting to play that villain. <p> <p> And one more thing, some douchenozzle on this Talkback actually had the temerity to compare Firefly to real Sci-Fi TV series like Stargate SG1 and SGU - You're an idiot.<p> Firefly and Serenity are the very reason why no one outside of geekdom ever takes Sci-Fi seriously unless they are bastardized into mindless action kiddie teenie-bopper crap like JJ's new Star Drek re-boot.<p> It's no wonder the two of them were put together on a panel (Whedon and Abrams) - someone must have been trying to conduct an experiment to see just how much suckage you can contain in one room without creating a Black hole. I think they just barely survived.<p> Moral of the story : Everything that Whedon has ever done outside of writing comics has been a total and utter failure - cancelled on TV or a running self-parody in geekdom or massive flop at the Box office. Even things with which he's only tangentially connected to - like merely writing the story for the last Alien movie which killed the entire franchise.
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It dealt with a lot of adult subject matter...as did Whedon's "Buffy" work, but since Buffy was not on everyone's radar, he got away with it on the WB. <BR><BR>Buffy's audience has grown-up, and they have progressively moved toward more adult fair, and HBO and Showtime are offering that with their programming, shows that were inspired by Buffy, ironically. Whedon, has repeatedly missed-out on that money and acclaim, by staying in network television..and on the sidelines, as others cashes in on storylines loosely based on his past material. Yet another irony, is that Whedon clearly based "Dollhouse" on "Diary of A Call Girl", but could not expand upon the adult themes of the show, due to being on network TV.
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Really, a JOSS WHEDON panel is big news? No Thor? No Captain America trailer? NBC has fucking Community at comic con this year!!
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The best thing about it so far was seeing Peter Cullen and Frank Welker do their Prime VS Megs exchange.
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Arguement broke out over seats in Hall H & someone stabbed the other in the eye with a pen. 0.0
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There were parts of season 5 that I thought measured up, but on the whole seasons 4-6 were missing something. "Through the Looking Glass" makes a great series finale in my opinion.
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It will probably do 200 million in North America, which means it will do twice that number overseas. What I find interesting...though, is that...with, and since, TDK, there are those that keep calling his films on the level of The Godfather, and now, they are saying that Inception is the Star Wars of its generation? Well, wasn't that said about The Matrix, and Avatar? Really, a lot of this stuff, and comments therein, are generated by plants working for the studios. The difference between Star Wars and Inception is this. Star Wars changed the look of films, the way they were made, and how they were marketed. The Matrix had some impact, but because of the poor lack of quality controls of its sequels, it largely lost its influence in our culture. Avatar's cultural influence, in terms of its long term impact, is yet to be seen, that said, technically...great new technology, was invented, like the virtual camera, much like the motion control camera from Star Wars, but we now await...to see, what other filmmakers will do with the virtual camera--and its technology--3D, however, is actually another issue. That great leap, if there is one, concerning 3D, will actually be made via 3D technology which works without the use of glasses, or virtual reality of some kind...in the near future.
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Harry Potter t-shirt. <p> This is just before the PAUL panel with Sean Pegg & Nick.
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The critics are fawning over Inception. And I saw it. I enjoyed it, but it's a confusing film. It's not an audience pleasing movie like Star Wars was.
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I wonder if he'd be willing to lend me some money
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seems to be on hold. <p> http://www.ugo.com/movies/comic-con-2010-stabbing-in-hall-h <p> Pic of the stabby nerd in handcuffs: http://yfrog.com/f/3tu7aj/
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Right before the avengers panel too. :( no joke.
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C'mon on, dude!
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Mark Ruffalo's Mom outside Hall H. So there's that answered.
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*Hell, even Nic Cage is there just this time he's pimping some other mediocre movie*<p> justified
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of the stabby guy being taken away. Twitter is awesome. <p> http://tweetreel.com/?epjdb
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Harry Potter undesirable number 1
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July 24, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST
The other sites is doing more news on Comic Con!
by HollywoodHellraiser
AICN is hardly making a blip! Where the GL Panel news, DC/Marvel Panel news, and the Sucker Punch news???<p>AICN is dropping the ball BIG TIME!
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Only shit I see is about comic films and JJ, lol
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He's soooooo mediocre. Every new show he did after Buffy was canceled(Buffy really didn't even have strong ratings from the get-go...it was on CW for fuck sake!). Asking the question "if he had such a strong fanbase, why did the other shows fail?".<br><br> Every major motion picture he's ever been involved in was an utter failure. He tried to make the Wonder Woman movie and WB realized he was going to make a mediocre movie, so they dropped him. Let's hope Marvel/Paramount come to the same conclusion before anything is shot! And if by some reason he does actually proceed forward, it's going to be the worst piece of shit full of named stars ever. MARK...MY...WORDS!<br><br>Ed Norton dodged a HUGE FUCKIN' BULLET!
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He's at the Cowboys and Aliens panel!!!!!!!!!
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Buffy was on the WB....what's the difference?
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why'd someone have to go and do something like that?<p> ruin everyone's day<br> especially your own
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Nice to see Whedon interacting with fans, and the Nathan Fillion appearance was fun.
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Totally mocking the eye-stabber.
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Is it true some body got stabbed recently at Comic con?
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Marvel panel starting.
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My, how standards have slackened. I can respect these guys as working artists, but the term "visionary" does not apply to either.
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then yes, call it Visionaries. Here, call it the TV panel.
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sigh. plenty of non-news about Joss though as always.
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They have to gather the info before they write about it.
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I'm not even going to boost their ego by mentioning their names. Yeah, Whedon has never been 'successful' - right. So the fact that he has one of the biggest cult followings of ANY television writer/director, that his shows are consistently invoked on best of lists, that his works have inspired an entire academic subculture, that dvd products of his shows are consistently top sellers, that he actually MADE MONEY on an Internet-only venture, all that means nothing, I guess. Please continue your denial so we can laugh at you.
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Whedon doesn't deserve the biggest comic book movie in history. His biggest movie made 25 million and his best tv show was Buffy. He's better suited for a Wolverine sequel. Fuckin egg head. Avengers is fucked.
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Still laughing.
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Avengers is fucked.
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The only time Whedon stuff has made me cry is when he did it on purpose.
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http://goo.gl/fb/RwoXx <p>
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Yeah, visionary on more ways of making money off his franchise!!!
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Fuck me sideways.
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He's going to have a big team behind him and can help him figure out the action sequences. At least he is a proven talent who is passionate about the material. Lets just hope the budget is really really big.
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I actually watched the entirety of both panels. Very cool and interesting stuff from Whedon and Abrams.<p> It's funny, but these guys tread similar paths in their storytelling emergence. Both worked as script writers and editors, found happiness doing it, then gradually moved on to bigger and better things.<p> It was very cool to see Whedon is a long-time fan of "The Avengers." I mean, since he was little. This bodes well for the movie. I'm not a comic book guy, so I don't know much at all about this superhero group, but I'm glad Joss is getting a chance to do something huge. I wish him the best.<p> As for JJ, he's cool too. I liked the story he told about he and a friend repairing two of Steve Spielberg's childhood movies for $300. Pretty badass, that. Plus I'm just excited for "Super 8." It's an original film with an original script, which is fantastic.<p> Thanks for the footage, Herc!
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I don't think he has received the mentorship that he needs. His success, largely thanks to media and studio driven hype, came too hard, too fast, and he didn't have to really fight for it. He needed, and needs, an older, and very respected, and skilled, filmmaker or producer...even writer or editor, to mentor him, and make him justify certain decisions he has made and is making; like telling him to edit the fat out of TDK, and to inject some emotion into his films, or to restructure his writing. He is very much a filmmaker in a learning process, and is not fully developed, despite the false critical raves to the contrary. Nolan is still in a major learning curve period, and his films, as a result, are not complete, or completely evolved--rather, they are just a curiousity. Ironically, even with less success, and less films to his credit, Joss Whedon, thanks to his production and directing work in TV, is more evolved in storytelling, character interactions, and pacing, than Nolan. Whedon's only real failure along those lines, being Dollhouse, which still puzzles me, as it would have been so easy to fix it???
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Did you even fucking see "Inception?" And Whedon's more evolved? Fuck, dude, why am I even bothering? You're a fucking Joss-sucker and not worth the oxygen you consume.
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Marvel must be high are just super cheap! There going for a director because of fan cred. instead of actual talent. What has Whedon done "besides write crappy comicbooks, and create crappy tv shows for tween girls." He relies heavily on overly witty pop culture references, with his 90210 like dialogue and his directing style is like a cheap Sci Fy channel movie of the week. Serenity didnt feel like an actual movie, it felt a made for tv Sci Fy Saturday night movie. You want this guy to direct a huge blockbuster? You couldn't find someone a little more meat!!? MARVEL YOU SUCK!!!
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Media Messiah is convinced that everyone agrees with him. He states his opinions as if they are widely agreed upon facts. He is convinced that studios read these talkbacks as if the handful of people who post here--often divided 50/50 in their opinions--make decisions based upon these talkbacks and talkbackers who NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE, all agree unanimously about something. And on the very rare occasion where there is an uproar about something, nothing has ever changed and it inevitably leads to disappointed and angry talkbackers.
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and WHY has this talkback shifted to Nolan and Inception. Actually, I know the answer--Media Messiah came to the talkback because it was about whedon but is currently in one of his 'whats on my mind right now' mindsets and thinks we care about anything... or take him seriously--which nobody does.
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OK, I'll entertain the idea that Nolan didn't have a solid mentor, HOWEVER, you make a statement that is only ironic because its dumb: <br><br>"Ironically, even with less success, and less films to his credit, Joss Whedon, thanks to his production and directing work in TV, is more evolved in storytelling, character interactions, and pacing, than Nolan."<br><br>I hate to break it to you, MM, but you've said that YOUR mentor is Joss Whedon--and you think just watching Joss Whedon's work makes him your mentor. BUT TV IS NOT A MENTOR--FOR YOU OR WHEDON. You begin by saying Nolan didn't have the mentorship he needs (with NOTHING to back that up--but EVERYONE who has made a name for themselves HAS had mentors--in school, in-person networking, books would count too, and who knows who else helped teach him) BUT you DON'T MENTION WHO WHEDON'S MENTOR IS! WOrking in television, succesfully, is NOT a mentor... its a fuckin job.
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.....Superherohype just posted a 6 minute trailer of one of the Cut scenes of the new DC Universe online game. Check it out: <p> http://tinyurl.com/254tmf5 <p> I know it's only a game, but chances are that if DC/Warner were ever to get their act together and make a full-featured, full-cast (not just a Superman-Batman deal) Justice League movie, this kindsof battle scene would be the standard they would be aiming for. <p> Now the question for all you Whedon fanboys is, what in his history and career of directing makes you think he is even capable of directing an action set-piece of not just that complexity, but that gripping and extensive in scope? Especially on what is sure to be Marvel's shoe-string budget. <p> Now, granted, even over at DC, their Golden boy Nolan isn't capable of directing that kind of a battle-scene since action sequences and large set-pieces, are probably the weakest part of Nolan's skills as a director. And in fact, I can only think of a handful of directors who could probably director that kinds of a sequence and give it the reverence and scope it deserves (Cameron, Scott, and sad to say it, but Michael Bay as well, come to mind) - but the point is that that is exactly the kind of sequence or battle scene you expect to see when you go to watch a Super-hero mash-up like an Avengers or a Justice League. <p> At least DC know they have the talent even if it's currently in their animation and Gaming department. Marvel, with their perpetual penny pinching seem all set to give the Avengers movie the "Superman Returns" treatment and have the director make it allabout emotions, and buddy-buddy hipster crap instead of having the expected super-powered battles that SR clearly lacked, and which I doubt with every fiber in by being, that Whedon is capable of. <p> If you guys are really honest with yourselves, can you seriously see Whedon pulling something like that off? <p> <p> <p> Honestly?
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In the new EW, Nolan said that his films lack emotion, something that I have been pointing out here, for over a year now. I'd say that is a major flaw. Well, FYI, he is officially in agreement with that fact, and said that he is thinking about changing that aspect about his films. Look for his films to be more emotional from now on. <BR><BR>What is his other flaw-- something that he did not admit to in the article? He loves his own writing, like most writers do, and should, if they are good. The problem is, however, is that he fails to edit himself where needed--and the same is true of the images the he captures on film. He falls in love with the images, as a good director should, but he fails to edit out things that don't help the story to advance itself, like the Batman Avengers and the blackmailing reporter in TDK...and the unnecessary trip to Hong Kong, for instance.
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everything anyone needs to know about nolan can be found in that EW article and Media Messiah's distorted psychosis... apparently
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I don't expect all to agree with me, however, I do expect all to invite debate...as you, and they, might just learn something, including myself. <BR><BR>Whedon, for me, is not a mentor, so much as an inspiration, as I have never met him. He is someone whom I have learned from via observation of his work. In that same way, I have learned from Rod Serling...the creator of The Twilight Zone, even moreso. Most writers in this business credit Serling as their main inspiration. He was, and still is, the best!!!!<BR><BR>As for Whedon, I am always fair. I criticize him, when I honestly feel that he deserves it, and when he deserves praise, or somewhere in between, I am right there to say it. Can you say the same about your views of Chris Nolan?
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July 25, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST
Can you say the same about your views of Chris Nolan?
by caseymcgehee72
MM said: "Can you say the same about your views of Chris Nolan?"<br><br>Irrelevant. This talkback isn't about Nolan--or it wasn't, until you hijacked it. One day you are going to wake up and realize you have wasted your life being delusional and dreaming about what you want to do but have never done because you talk talk talk about what you want and don't work. No surprise when i heard your girlfriend left you.
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I agree that this talkback is not about Nolan or his credentials as a filmmaker.<p> Back to Abrams and Whedon: aside from the teaser trailer, I know nothing about "Super 8." Abrams mentioned it's produced by Steven Spielberg, so that makes me hopeful. Does anyone else know anything? Will it be R-rated?
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Who claims that Whedon (FUCKING WHEDON?!?!?) is "more evolved" than Nolan. Unless, of course, it's your theory that "evolving" means becoming a fat, self-important, self-aggrandizing, male version of a "fag hag" (no offense to any of our homosexual brothers, but you know what I mean). In that case...<p>There's still no point in talking to you.<p>You know, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if all the Joss-suckers would give it a rest for, like, a fucking year, maybe the rest of us would not find it necessary to choose the opposite point-of-view, i.e. Whedon-bashing. Usually, I've got no problem with Whedon - he's a decent director and a better writer (when's he's not fucking full of himself with the whole 'cute-speak'). However, the incessant "handjob followed by open-mouthed jizz catching, hold for the camera, now swallow Joss's load, open for the camera again, and good girl" necessitates everyone else's disgust.<p>Watched every Buffy, every Angel, every Firefly, saw Serenity in theaters opening day, bought the boxed sets of all the seasons of all the priors, own scads of the fucking spin-off comics and novelizations...<p>And still I want to fucking vomit non-stop every single fucking time that I hear some ass clown with a "Buffy Lives!" button proclaiming Joss Whedon as the motherfucking messiah and "more evolved" than other directors whose boots Whedon isn't worthy of licking.
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Three canceled TV shows and two movie bombs are your inspiration? Well, doesn't that just say it all.<p>Nothing wrong with liking Whedon's stuff (I do myself), but nobody wants to see the fucking pics you took of yourself jacking off to a Whedon photo.<p>There are PLENTY of motherfuckers in Hollywood to wanna emulate - Shane Black, William Goldman, Robert Towne, Paul Schrader, Paul Thomas Anderson, Orson Welles, John Milius, Buck Henry, Charlie Kaufman, Pedro Almodovar, Cameron Crowe, JOEL & ETHAN COEN, Quentin Tarantino, Woody Allen, Billy Wilder, Preston Sturges, and the list goes on and on and on and on...<p>But JOSS WHEDON?!?!? I mean, great, dude. The guy speaks to you and you've got a big, fat, fucking hard-on for him and everything he's ever done ever ever. Good for you.<p>He's your moon and your sun and your stars. Yay, but for knowing that he, he, oh, beautiful, wondrous HE, is drawing breathe somewhere tonight, drawing breathe through wet, red lips, running his hands through ginger hair (oh, beautiful, beautiful ginger hear) as he sighs, sighs a sigh so miraculous, so filled with genius and pathos and love, that life itself would be a pale, pale shadow, a ghost, not worth living, were it not for he.<p>We get it, dude. You'd suck his shit-stained cock and LOOOOOOOOOOVE it! But your obsession has caused you to lose all grip on reality. Seek help, dude. Or at least gain a modicum of fucking decorum and stop flaunting your fucking JCD. It's embarrassing.
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How can the discussion of film be considered, hijacking? The discussion of film should be ubiquitous and not limited to some small subject matter. It can be, and should be, more broad. If I discuss The Beatles in a conversation, then that naturally leads into a discussion about The Rolling Stones, etc. Such is the way I brought Nolan into the conversation.
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What the fuck is wrong with me! Ben motherfucking Hecht - there's someone to emulate!
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His films lack emotion. He said that. Guess, I'll have to agree (despite my moistened eyes at the end of "Inception").<p>'Course Whedon's lack... what is the word? Oh, yeah, "BOX OFFICE" and "AN AUDIENCE." So, I guess Nolan's got THAT going for him.
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...damn the number of cancellations. JJ Abrams would agree, and the staffs of Lost, 24, and Grey's Anatomy...since so many behind the scenes vets from Whedon shows have wound-up as producers and writers, on those shows, etc. Now, that...is a serious vote of confidence from the industry--and some of its most prized series.
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Those were Nolan's words, I just happened to call him on it over the last year, and was roundly attacked for it by his fans, but Chris Nolan has now said it himself--so...I assume that you are going to assail him too for making the very same critique, and observation of his own work--again, the same views that I hold about him, that you assail me for making?
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"Ubiquitous and not limited to some small subject matter."<p>First, you're wrong. Depends on the fucking audience and the context. If the topic is "African Americans in Early Twentieth Century Films" then NO, a discussion of "film should NOT be ubiquitous. But spoken like a true Whedon afficianado. Which brings me to my second point. *THIS* is why people hate JCD Joss-suckers. Just re-read that post and realize that the self-righteous, but so obviously flawed assertion there ("The discussion of film should be ubiquitous and not limited to some small subject matter."), is an absolute reflection of the attitudes and manners of Joss-suckers and exactly why people wanna fucking gouge their own eyes out when you guys pop up.
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Were you too busy jerking off to your Whedon photos that you missed these sentences:<p>"His films lack emotion. He said that. Guess, I'll have to agree (despite my moistened eyes at the end of "Inception")."<p>See, your mentor may not have taught you, but all those sentences were assertive declarations. Therefore, if you agree with them and they agree with your statements, there's no need to argue that I'm "assailing" him. Personally, I don't give a fuck WHAT Nolan thinks about his own movies. Believe it or not. Seriously. Just like I couldn't give two fucks about what Matt Damon thinks about politics or what Jon Voight thinks about gardening or what Keri Russell thinks about soil erosion in the Midwest. I judge those motherfuckers on their work and, usually, that's about it.<p>***I*** didn't assail you for making assertions about Nolan's filmmaking. I assailed you for the "more evolved" comment regarding Whedon vis-a-vis Nolan.<p>To be perfectly fucking honest, dude, Stanley Kubrick's films are kinda fucking cold, too. I'm sure Whedon is "more evolved" than him, too. ("More evolved" meaning, of course, "a fat, self-important, self-aggrandizing, male version of a 'fag hag.') Yes, Whedon is WAAAAY "more evolved."
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Why all this cursing and hyperbole? Can't we all...just, get along? Look, we aren't talking about Hitler, here. It is just film. Make love, not war. Or, better yet, make war, and turn it into making love.
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...your bike with me.
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That people Whedon hired went on to other TV shows is "a serious vote of confidence from the industry?!?!?!?" LMAO! Yes, they have UTTER CONFIDENCE in his ability to HIRE WRITERS!!! LOL! Yup! That Joss Whedon is one damned fine WRITER HIRER!!! ROFLMMFAO!!!<p>What? Give him another show? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there, Tex! Hold your horses now! I said he was a fine WRITER HIRER, I didn't say I trusted him to keep a show running.<p>Damn the cancellations? Yes, that's just what the Hebrews thought. (As well as the Joss-suckers!)
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He got Lolita right. A film filled with honest human emotion, that was sexually charged, passionate, and very sad.
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That's the way my character speaks. It's what I learned NOT watching Joss Whedon. ;-)<p>And I'll share my bike with you if you fucking promise not to chant in my ear and do your little Joss-y Krishna dance and try to convert me. :-D
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Such anger? Let's be more constructive, and focus on the art of film, television, and writing, rather than bitter exchanges. If the Arabs and Jews can get along, so can you and I.
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All the fucking time. Every fucking time. Dear God! Again, MM, that's why people fucking hate Joss-suckers. The condescension of that statement - "Kubrick got LOLITA right." Fuck me, dude. The arrogance. The motherfucking arrogance of anyone who throws that fat fuck Whedon up on a pedestal, smashes everyone else's statues, and fucking offers that "Kubrick got LOLITA right" (as if that was it). Wow, man, just fucking unbelievable, you guys.<p>Again, so we're clear here - KUBRICK got 'em all right. Every last one of 'em.
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Soon, you'll be singing the chorus' of "Once More With Feeling" and "Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog". Your conversion, is at hand.<BR><BR>About Kubrick. I loved "Eyes Wide Shut", because it told a secret truth about the lifestyles of the elites, still, like other Kubrick films, save for Lolita, it is cold, and emotionless.
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Joss Whedon told me so. See, I was raised on the streets and my Watcher was killed right in front of me and, as a result, I have a contentious nature and my speech is peppered with profanity to hide the pain and hurt that's eating away at my soul, day after day. So... what, you gonna argue with Joss?
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And fucking awesome and light-years better than Joss Whedon could turn out on his best fucking day ever.<p>I own the "Once More With Feeling" soundtrack, bub. And I do occasionally play it. But that is only when I haven't been on AICN in a while and listened to some twit tell me that Joss Whedon is God and all others must bow before him. So, in other words, not very fucking often. I get enough of THEIR fucking singing to tide me over enough to NOT wanna watch Buffy, Angel, Serenity, or listen to the soundtracks or read the comics. That's what JCD Joss-suckers do - they turn people off of Whedon.
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Then you should love Whedon's works. Many of his characters are complicated and angry, but they--like you, have reason for their anger. You are probably a very good person...and like many of us, you have been somehow unfairly marginalized by others, but it doesn't mean that they are right. And that is what Whedon writes about, people, often angry people, finding their voice and directing it in a positive way. His writings are about personal cathartism, and growth...within self, and for others; thus, turning darkness into light, and finding one's deeper emotional connection with that which is worth living for. Anger is not you character, it is a guise, as there is great love and kindness within you. You said Kubrick doesn't make mistakes, well, just know, God doesn't make mistakes. You deserve to be happy, and were made to be that. Anger is a side effect of some great wrong that was done to you, but you will triumph over it, and do many great things in life--just believe!!!
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Whedon plans out his TV series and Abrams' series all fall apart after season 2. [p] [p] Abrams is the M. Night Shyamalan of TV series.
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is that his official way of announcing it?
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Damn, dude, did Joss fuck your mom or somethin'? You seem to be takin' his directing The Avengers kinda' personal.<p> Btw, I always find it kinda' odd, that the same people who questions Joss's qualifications, but will sign off on a neophyte like Marc Webb directing a big budget re-boot of Spiderman...Hell, Joss has been in the business for over 20 years as a writer/producer/director, and yet according to some of you, he's barely qualified to fetch coffee.<p> IN WHEDON, WE ALL SHOULD TRUST - HE'S EARNED IT!
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Amadeo Zeller said: "dadayu - NINJA, GET A JOB!"<br><br>Some goes for Herc--hates the talkbackers yet expects us to buy DVDs of shows he won't even give talkbacks for. "HercVault" is ridiculous and he spends more time trying to make money from that than he does educating himself about whats good on tv, or at least giving the talkbackers what they want. Herc = world class douchebag
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...say the anti-Whedon lot. Fine. You've already decided it's fucked. Ruined. Gone. So DON'T go watch it when it comes out. Don't even bother. Oh, you WILL? Just so you can say, "I told you all!" Jeebus Cripes. Like anyone's going to listen to you - other than your fellow whingers.
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