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Greenwood: Next TREK Shoot Earmarked For January!!
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We still don’t know who’s going to direct, but Bruce Greenwood – who played Enterprise captain Christopher Pike in the 2009 version of “Star Trek” – tells MTV the next “Trek” is expected to start shooting in January.
Greenwood, on a “Dinner For Schmucks” red carpet, says also he doesn’t yet know if he’ll be appearing in the sequel.
Paramount has set June 29, 2012 as the release date for the 12th big-screen “Trek.”
Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof, who all had a hand in scripting the 2009 “Trek” directed by J.J. Abrams, have been drafting a screenplay for the sequel. Abrams and Bryan Burk are both returning as produers.
Find all of MTV’s story on the matter here.
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Let's all hope together that the Mayans got it wrong.
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Stop fucking around
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make it so
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Loved the last movie. I agree that it was ecellent.
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I confess I had really low expectations for Star Trek,especially after that shitty Enterprise series.
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AsspickleLives. set phasers on TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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just reboot it again
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I don't see how any storyline could now include a crippled Pike other than the highly, highly problematic storyline involving the Talosians.
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The Wrath of Lens Flare
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And JJ, shoot it in 3D. To see the Enterprise in 3D. Aw hell ya! If ever there was a franchise that deserved the 3D treatment it's Star Trek.
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Star Trek was the bees knees. Can't wait to see what they have in store for the next grand adventure!
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Was the best storyline ever on Trek-- combined WW2 and war against Muslim terrorists into an amazing multi-year storyline.
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I am a fan. Star Trek was great fun.
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I mean, what are they supposed to do for an encore in this quasi alternate Star Trek universe? Give us some alternate take on Khan waking up?
Blegh. Make it go away. Do a new Star Trek TV show even further in the future (maybe with Starfleet policing time in addition to exploration), I don't care if it has no connection to any TNG series. -
and there's a dog in it and everything is fun.
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I may be in the minority, but I really prefer my Trek as a TV show. I want to get to know the characters well. I want to see all of the ship. I want glimpses of day to day life aboard the ship. I want scenes of how they entertain themselves. I want to hear pointless banter. Every movie has to be epic. That isn't what Trek is about.It's about exploration, meeting new species, growing the Federation. Not always huge space battles. I really prefer the intimacy of a weekly series. Surely there are writers that can bring a great Trek show back to the air.
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and there's a dog in it and everything is fun.
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Heard anything new? Someone ask about that if they have a panel at that comic book convention thingy out west. We want Trek back on tv.
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They already blew their chance at Million Dollar Baby-ing up Pike.
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Ya know,I'm entirely against 3D for about 90 percent of the films that get that treatment,but I think Star Trek would be a worthy 3D excursion.
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I have a weird hunch the Talosians will be some kind of meta-menace in the series, kind of a like a grand version of 'The Cage' as an arc, perhaps.
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Because I don't fucking remember what happened in the last one.
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Hercs, I noticed this has been posted up even after comingsoon.net has an update on this from TrekMovie.com saying they spoke to the producer earlier in the month and he said it won't shoot til late spring early summer
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Damn that dude can not get over Trek. For someone who hated Trekn09 he spends a lot of time hatin
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Totally agree with you on the 90% part. Some movies that are shot in 3D or converted just don't do much for me or are just gimmicky. But to see the big E go into warp in 3D, damn that'd be cool.
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Jul 21, 2010 1:49:29 AM CDT
I forgot about the story for the sequel, is Khan gonna be in it?
by mike_d
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Wrath of Khan is a classic but Space Seed is hardly the best episode of the original series. Leave Khan in the real Trek Universe. Sure Kirk can do battle with him in this timeline but I'd rather it be something mentioned off hand that happened between sequels of this version of Trek. I really don't want to see it again. They could do that for pretty much all the classic episodes of stuff we've seen already(except maybe The Mirrorverse, though a red mater mirrorverse would take too much explaining since an old version of mirror Spock would probably want a future without the Terran Empire in it.) I DO want to see the crew tackle some existential crisis or social commentary bit mixed in with all the sweet action this time around. That's the hook of old school Trek(and TNG) and it's been missing from the films since 1st Contact. Oh yeah and this time lets see some weird planets where everyone is dressed like the 40's or Hippies or Nazi's, not as the plot of the whole film but a funny bit in the beginning or something.
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This is great news. Last summer was a very strong movie season...I'm still waiting to hear news about the D9 sequel. Just watched it AGAIN and I am itching for District 10.
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I can remember reading about the new Dune miniseries on SciFi. That's how long I've been hanging around.
I created this account to say this:
Who. The. Fuck. Cares.
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That belonged in the Straight-to-DVD Lost sequel talkback.
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Jul 21, 2010 2:25:03 AM CDT
Bruce Greenwood was one of the few good things about SHIT TREK
by asimovlives
The man was rrally well cast for Commander Pike. Hell, he always bring good value to any movie. Though he is starting to make a career of being the only good thing in bad movies, as was previously testified with the I, ROBOT debacle. Well, it pays the bills, i guess.
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"Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof [...] have been drafting a screenplay for the sequel"By that it means they are writing stuff in a napkin for five minutes, name it a script and call it a day.
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Have not seen it since so really can't comment on most of it. It was all just a haze of blinding lights and Eric Banas head. Must remember to give it a watch- I am sure its on satellite TV now.
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Schwarzenegger should be the villain to help erase classic Trek history.
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...from watching the first Trek, Orci and Kurtzman are going to throw anything and everything they fucking please at screen.
So yeah, expect Khan, the Mirrorverse, Mudd, Tholians, Triskelion and any other smug, self-serving, minimum-effort faux-fan service to be tritely thrown in.
Maybe, probably, it'll be fun. Maybe, also likely, it'll be shallow and vaguely insulting. But trust me, they don't care what you think. It's all spin and it's all about the fortune and glory, baby.
And no, I'm not another Asimov Lives. I'm one of those guys that sadly watches the glorious wonders of my childhood fading and being rewritten by those of my own generation that work harder, but seeimingly care less, than me.
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no matter what alt univese you in no one is going to allow what went on on that bridge to happen
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just ad music *Can't touch This* and a fat animated guy
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and a disservice to the characters and an insult to the fans
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Erm.... so it isn't worth watching again sober????
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with a 140 character attention span
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It's the same as when you watched it drunk. Except it looks more like a TV show.
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not worth watching again
Period
Not as Star Trek, not as the classic characters
As a AA film, ehh, slow sunday, put it in, seen everything else lately
But no, it's not in my must see box
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1. Appalling screenplay. Not one memorable line of dialogue. And a deeply uninteresting and uninvolving storyline. Eric Bana was just as banal a villain as Tom Hardy was in Nemesis.
2. Flat direction. JJ's a competent TV director and thats it. He has no individual style and no idea on how to stage and compose cinematically.
3. Lack of imagination. By going back to recast iconic roles and not even bothering to think up their own new Enterprise crew the writers shot themselves in the foot. All Pine and the Heroes guy can ever do is offer imitation.
4. The score. Completely unmemorable. Think of Goldsmith's TMP theme. Horner's TWOK theme. Even Edelman's TUC overture. Now think of the Trek 09 theme. Um...
5. Kirk bumps into Spock in a cave on a planet. One of the worst movie scenes ever. Of course all movies rely on coincidence but this pushed the boat out way too far. Absolutely ridiculous.
6. Simon Pegg and his pet alien. Both excruciating.
I'd rate Trek 09 as the worst Trek movie by far. Even Trek V had that terrific scene where Sybok forces Kirk, Spock and McCoy to face their fears, a scene that had more drama than all 120 (or however long it was) minutes of the new film. I've yet to hear a defence of this film that goes beyond it was 'cool' or 'awesome' or 'it wasn't for nerds'. Abrams stripped Trek of all the qualities that used to make it unique and turned it into a dumb movie for mall-dwellers. But I guess thats what happens when the director doesn't even like his subject matter in the first place. -
it had great music.
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Colonel Kurtz.
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or one of the other characters.
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...do something original?
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Another movie ripping off the plot of Wrath Of Kahn, and if the first movie is any indication, also the plot of Empire Strieks Back. Came the 4th movie, will JJ rip off the plot of THE PHANTOM MENACE?
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You had far more fun watching JJ Trek then i did. I should had done the same thing you did. That movie was a terrible sight for a sober man.
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From your post, you sound pretty much like me, minus the same enthusiasm for the old Trek. This is for certain, you love the TOS more then i do. Though i have known it as far i can remembe,r only last year i did finally saw the whole run of the 3 TOS series. My complains about JJ Trek is not so much about how they fucked up TOS and it's spirit (though that also rubbed me the wrong way) but more as that movie is a failure as a film on all levels and on all things that matters. With the exception of the cast, the cast was pretty good.
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Orci and Kurtzman defeat the Infinite Monkey Theorem, if you know what i mean.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Infinite_monkey_theorem
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http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monkey-typing.jpg
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The last scene will be the Enterprise finding the Botany Bay. Kirk, Spock and Bones go aboard. The last shot will be of Khan asleep. Kirk reads the name "Khan..." Dum dum duuuuum! To be continued. Cue fanboy masturbation.
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"JJ's a competent TV director and thats it. He has no individual style"Not at all. JJ does have a personal style, he has LENS FLARES! Lens flares, man! He is an auteur! He's the new Fellini. Lens flares = automatic personal style, just add water.
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Didn't JJ and Orci said that their new Trek movie was going to be a two part movie? One movie for the price of two. Those guys are savvy salesmen!
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Which is to say - what if they announced that Brad Bird was doing it? I would be very excited.
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Nuff said
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HEY!!! Good to hear from you, man!! Alreay started my Bay rants on the numerous fucking Tranny-formers threads!!! We got plastered before we went in (suprised we got in as the amount of beer consumed before was GARGANTUAN!!) and all I can recall about the movie was HUGE FUCKING HANDS, Eric Banas head being in every shot I looked at on the screen (I didn't look at most of it- most of the time was spent juggling pieces of popcorn and spitting in my friends Diet Pepsi...), blinding lights, a hotdog that smelled like sewage, and giggling like a little girl at my mates farting....QUALITY EVENING!!!!
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It's the masochist in me that will make me have another look at this. It can't be THAT terrible.......can it? The trailer looked pretty good- it's what made us go to the thing in the first place. The large consumption of beer is what wiped my memory. I can remember my wife saying " Oh, Star Trek- you saw that, didn't you?" I replied with "Erm.... kind of..."
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The score for JJ Trek is not good. It's a trick score, the type seen in most Jerry Bruckheimer movies. The usual bombastic stuff played as if it's very serious and important for a movie that is made of silly. It's an imitation of a good score, but it's all smoke and mirrors, it's bombastic in lieu of appropriate. Even the filmmakers of the movie don't take it seriously. Abrams says in the audio comentary that the climatic music played during the destruction of Nero's ship (SPOILER), the lyrics the choir sings are the names of the pets the composer had when he was a teen. That's a good indication of how fucking seriously they took their job. You think that Jerry Goldsmith ever did such a thing? Goldsmith could be making music for the most drab commercial moives, but he always took his job seriously. And in Star Trek in particular, he took it very, very seriously and he did some of his best job for the ST saga, both for Tv and cinema. Even James Horner, who's now an hack, he didn't slouched when he did the score for his two Trek movies. But JJ Trek's score is lazy, banal and trickery. It's not so much a score as an imitation of one. a pity, because i did really liked the score the composer did for THE INCREDIBLES. But maybe that score was good because it was such an endless pastiche of a John Barry's Bond/David Shire's 70s movie score.
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You had a far better night at the movies with that movie then i did. I came out of it depressed, disgusted, numbed, demoralized, an headache and a general distrust of humankind. The movie stole my will to live and defeated my capacity to be entertained.
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Also, your reply to the question of you saw Star Trek is appropriate because that movie is kinda Star Trek... only not. More like Star Wars for the emo generation with some Wrath Of Kahn flavour thrown in so that the people can't notice the rancid taste. It's an old culinary trick, if any of the igredients are rotten and/or past it's validation date, thrown in a lot of spices to disguise it. Filmmakers also pull such tricks as well to fool the consumers.
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It was just the beer that made me feel that way......the hangover the following morning was fucking EPIC (not the shit no laughs at all movie either...)
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and jj-st was one painfully stupid piece of crap movie. sure, like all competently churned out prolefeed it was profitable at the box office, but as months have passed i've seen people cross over to my side and none go back the other way. here's hoping we don't have too much more of this group's brain-dead frenetically storyboarded plot-hole-ridden schlock and that they try and get a nicholas meyer type (or the nicholas meyer) to re-reboot.
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Sorry- was KHAN in it????? Or did I read your post totally wrong??? No fucking waaaayyy!!! They are treading on some SERIOUS hallowed ground there!!!
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Kirk vs the Lizards!
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Question, dude. Was there anything about JJ Trek that you liked? You're fairly vocal in your dislike of the film here on the talkbacks, but what actually worked for you in the movie?
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...the day would arrive when Star Trek would be cooler than Star Wars. Well, it is that time.
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... if you're who I think you are, shouldn't you be at Comicon right now...? With your alter ego Uncle Flopsy/Darque?
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Well, there was a sort of Kahn in the movie. Or rather, a toothless, decaffed badly though out version of kahn. That's the villain of JJ Trek was, which they called Nero (because he's a romulan, see?), and he was a bad parody of Kahn. It was Kahn-lite, with all the flaws and none of the qualities. It was a true copy-and-paste job. But badly done. The thing that most amuses me about the supporters of this movie is that they mercilessly bash STAR TREK NEMESIS for pulling a carbon copy of Kahn for that movie's villain, and yet are so cool and appologetic for the villain of JJ Trek. That shit never ceases to amuse me. The medical term for that is "Cognitive Dissonance".
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Of course you would like that movie's score. I would be suprised if you didn't. It would be the first time you would be right about something, which you are completly incapable for. You are the very personification of the Infinite Monkey Theorem made flesh.
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I have already answered your qurstion in a previous post in this very talkback, but i'll repeat it again for your pleasure: the cast. I liked the cast. Not wholesome, but generally speaking, the movie was pretty well casted. My only two problems are about Zoe Saldana as Uhura and Chris Pine as Kirk. The more time passes,the more Saldana's portait of Uhura rubs me the wrong way. She has the looks, she is a mighty pretty young lady, but her acting was anoyting, ad worst, her portait of the character way anoying and insulting. She played Uhura as if she was some ghetto princess who goes for the top dog of the hood. All she need was to talk ebonics. As for Oine as Kirk, i don't know if the dude is just naturally irritating and anoying, or if he just played the part all too well. The rest of the cast, though, no problems. The problem was not the actors, but the script and thie shit they had to say and the retard shit they had to do for the plot.
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Jul 21, 2010 6:20:53 AM CDT
I really don't have a problem with the Red Matter in the movie
by asimovlives
It's just like faster-then-light-speed stuff, if it's important for the plot and wthout it the story cna't be told, then that's OK. SF is exactly like that, specially space operas, they have this one or two impossible things in them but one accepts them for the sake of the story. Beside,s the Red Matter as seen in the movie is an artificial substance, therefore, it's fair game. The problem with the Red Matter is how inconsistent it was in what it did. It just did whatever the plot demanded to. No real internal logic to it, no set of rules to dictate it's own nature, it just did the thing tha tthe plot needed to get out of a narrative dead-end. It's pathetic. That's bad storytelling right there.
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Dude. You realize it is a movie... Some of you can dissect and harp on about the smallest little details. I take it you are a HUGE fan of the TV show right?
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See? Again proving my point. You just can't be right about anything. I wouldn't be suprised to know if you are a creationist, it would make perfect sense.
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I'km a huge fan of cinema. That answer should suffice.
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Was average, Star Trek 1-3 remain the best movies of the series. I do not think the sequel will outgross the original. Search your feelings, you know this to be true.
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but everybody was to busy beating off to it too notice
But ol dubba jay made it
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Jul 21, 2010 6:33:57 AM CDT
Thing is, i'm very curious about SHIT TREK 2: JAR JAR HARDER
by asimovlives
I'm really, really very curious to know what will be the stuff they will pull out for the next move. given that the inicial shock of the terribleness of the first movie has now been accepted and assimilated, i now know what to expect for the second movie. The second movie will be just a cavalgade of fun from watchoing stupid shit badly disguised as Star Trek playing around by actors acting like clowns following a script writen by clowns and being directed by a bigger clown. The first movie's ineptitude and crappitude caught me complely unawares (i used to think the terribleness of MI3 was more to do with Cruise then Abrams). Now i know what to expect. Now i will have fun, in a shaudenfreude kind of way. It will be lots of fun mocking this shit come the next movie. Let it come, let it come.
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Didn't see your earlier post, so thanks for reiterating. I can see your point about Zoe Saldana - she wasn't completely convincing, but I disagree with you on Pine. I don't think he played Kirk as an imitation of Shatner (with the possible exception of the Kobiyashi Maru scene) but he captured the cockiness and self-assuredness of young Kirk perfectly. I thought he brought charisma and likeability to his interpretation of Kirk and for that alone, I don't have a problem with him.
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asimov hates jj abrams to the point where he thought mission impossible three was terrible. we get him he hate jj abrams. then, let me ask, why does he continue to post about star trek'09. if he hates the film so much.
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Always found wherever ST:09 is being discussed. And if ST:09 isn't being discussed, he will bring it up and then start discussing it, complete with deep seated loathing and irrational ranting.
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Not a lot of people know that. This fact explains two things. 1. How he was able to get into Hollywood with such minimal talent. 2. Why all his film projects feel like extended TV episodes.
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He's this Trek Generation's nick Meyer, i'd like to at least see him helm the first 3 so we can have somewhat of a trilogy before Paramount hands over the franchise to Brett Ratner or Lavar burton or something
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It makes sense just like how JettL93 is really harry
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Now why does he remind me of Don Simpson?
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But Pine was fucking tremendous as Kirk. He made the movie.
Then again, I'm a dipshit who thinks JJ Abrams is a good director who knows how to make things feel big, epic, and important. I even like MI3.
I also think Orci and Kurtzman are shit writers and am beginning to wonder how much of the good in LOST is thanks to Carlton Cuse.
I agree classic style Trek has too much technobabble and talking to view screens, but there is no need to Star Wars it up like Lindelof keeps trying to do. If you want to see what Star Trek should be, go watch DS9.
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You mean, this generation's guy who:1) Wrote ONE good Star Trek script, wrote one good book,2) Co-wrote and directed one decent Star Trek movie, and3) Wrote and directed one decent other movie?Is that what you mean?Well, fuck me then! Cool! When's JJ gonna get started on any of that?
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And make sure Greenwood's in it in it in it!!
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I already said this a hundred times before, so please, try to remember it next time. but i don't hate Jar Jar Abrams. I hate Mickey Bay. But i don't feel hatred toward Jar Jar. No, i feel despise, distrust, disgust, disrespect, revultion and loath for Jar Jar. There's a difference there, can you see it? Thank you, and please remember it next time, OK? Be well.
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Try ten hundred hundred. Jeebus.
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How things in the Third Reich, fuckface?
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Try reading the posts. As in, reading. Or are you expecting Zooey to do that for you?
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Funny, people used to say he was the next Spielberg. What happened to him, he was demoted or something? But no, Aberams is not the new Meyers. Abrams is the new Abrams, as in, a filmmaker with a whole career based on marketing and hardsale in lieu of talent and skill. If anything, Abrams will be the progenitor and inspirator of many other like careers to come. I guess this might be one reason why so many geeks here like and admire him, he proves you no longer need some basic filmmaking skill to make movies, the marketing department will take care of everything. I can se why he's so inspiring to many.
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I cannot believe I am getting into this, but here it goes anyways....You realize that no matter how good/bad or whatever the next Trek movie is, you will hate it...you realize that don't you? Your hatred of Abrams and that movie has pre programmed you to hate the next movie, therefore you really won't be able to judge it well, because just from what you have said here you already are declaring it crap. You won't look at the next movie with an objective eye, you will look for every little flaw you can find. Yet if it's a Nolan movie we are talking about, it's the exact opposite. How can you call yourself a lover of cinema (in general, not to say you don't love it as I know you do) and look at things with such heavy prejudice? Judge each film on its own, not by who is in it or who is making it. Well that's what I try to do, but that's just me. I know, you are going by Abrams record which you consider to be crap so you have no reason to think it will be good, but still.....I know i'm grasping at strws with you on this but jeez...LOL
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JJ Abrams better get some heavy-duty security around him. AsimovLeaves (don't we wish!) is going to come after him with a 12-gauge at the rate he's going. Never saw a troll before whose irrational hatred and obsession just keeps growing and growing. There is a crying need here for an intervention. But on to the positive. I'm more than ready to see what they come up with this time. I don't think JJ's first effort is a brilliant masterpiece, but it was certainly solid enough to warrant more!
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Is that canon?
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To what I just said....lets see if I am right....LOLDon't mind me Asi, you know how I am
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I guess I just did. hehe
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was definitely canon.
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First, about Karl urban. it came to me as no suprise that the dude is a good actor. I already knew that, i didn't need a dumb Star Trek In Name only movie with a dumb stupid script to make me aware of that fact. He had already shown his quality before on other movies. You see, i have seen him in more movies then PATHFINDER, you know? And you know, it's easy to get bones rightif all you do is to give lines to that character by quoting and paraquoting from the TOS. If anybody is to be praised for Urban as McCoy is Urban himself and the writers of the original show.Uhura was writen as a bitch, and Saldana played her as bitch. From a SF female icon into a bad urban cliché. This is just too wrong on so many levels i lose count.As for Chris Pine as Kirk (i wrongly called him Pike in a previous post, ops!). Or rather, was there a Kirk in that movie? Certainly no Kirk i ever knew before. Certainly no stack of book with legs that man up and becames a badass. There was no badass in the movie, only a guy who had everybody kicking his ass. And obvious, maybe in reflection of their own personality, Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman don't understand the difference between assureness and confidence with idioticy and thickheadness. The genious idea to turn Kirk into Tom Cruise's Maverick character from TOP GUN has to be seen to be believed. The movie pulls all the cheats in the book to try to sell the idea that their version of Kirk could even direct air to his own lungs, much less real command of a big group pf personnel and their vessel. The ways the script cheats and turn corners to make kirk active and participative is beyond hillarious. It's as if somebody had listed all the "Don't" in storytelling and the did them in one single script. I have absolutly no suprise that the guy who directed this movie was also one of the writers of Mickey Bay's ARMAGEDDON. It's so telling it aches. JJ Trek's kirk is not just wrong in comparison to the classic Kirk from TOS. No, there is no need for that comparison. This Kirk is just plain whole wrong in all narrative and characterization sense. The character is one of the most extreme examples of "Informed Attributes", where a character is exposed in dialogue by a 3rd party to have qualities which the movie never shows and makes the character act on. This movie's script and the character's characterization never went from the "writen in a napkin" stage.
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You tell me Asi, you are the one with the irrational outbursts like some kind of Pavlovian response whenever ST:09 is mentioned.
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Yes, AsmiovLives is indeed in full obsessive-compulsive mode and could easily slip into full-blown stalker mode. I get the impression his bedroom is covered wall-to-wall in J.J. Abrams pictures that have been crossed out in large red Xs made from AsimovLives' blood. Or bloody semen, take your pick.
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Dude, you don't understand me: i want him to make the new Trek movie. i want to see it. i want to laught at it. Only Abrams and his assclowns Orci and Kurztman and that other guy whoever he is can deliver the amount of retardness and incompetence that will turn that movie into a total "seeing is believing" must see. No, man, i'm with the JarJarHeads in this respect, bring it on the next movie, bring it on! Let the laughter begins.
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That was your atempt at droll, wasn't it? The crassness of your post does proves, again, the nature of the supporters of JJ Trek. Thanks for making my point, friend.
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You JarJarHeads, where do you buy your argument? Do you order them used from Ebay, or you go directly to Abram's Publicity Department and buy them there? And you pay them in cash or american mastercard?
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I'm outta here for a while fellas, I knew i would regret this lol.
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"Your hatred of Abrams"See my reply to emeraldboy on that subject.As for the movie, yes, i do hate it. Geez, how did you guess that? You are psychic, dude, you pulled a mind-meld on me, man! You are a real Spock, i bet you can even do the vulcan hand salute with both hands.
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So, tell me, when did you turned member of the American Nazi Party? Was it hard to find or the offices were just around the corner of where you live?
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You assume that anyone who likes this movie does so blindly because they are infatuated with Abrams?
You have, without a doubt, one of the worst cases of 'projection' I have ever encountered on the internet. You are also, potentially, in need of some form of cognitive-behavioral therapy.
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If only I could have written something as profound and eloquent as your insightful "Uhura was writ(t)en as a bitch, and Saldana played her as (a) bitch."
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I fear that you have misunderstood my comments, as evidenced in your accusation of Nazi tendancies directed at me, also a somewhat 'Pavlovian' response (no doubt) to something as simple as my use of the word "Jew" in a previous post.
To clarify for the hard of thinking such as yourself, I contend that there is a deep-seated and maybe surpressed memory inside you that causes these lunatic, repetitive outbursts each time anyone mentions JJ Abrams.
I jokingly asserted that maybe you were touched up by somebody Jewish as a child and therefore this is causing these extreme emotional reactions every time you think of Abrams.
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I hope that was joking around on your part, if i didn't know better I would have taken that as kind of insulting....anyways like I said, I've had enough, and I mean it this time LOL...later boys, argue on.
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Insulted? No, man, you would know when i would feel insulted. You wouldn't had doubts. You didn't insulted me, you couldn't, you don't know how, you are too much of a gentleman for that.
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Jul 21, 2010 8:50:03 AM CDT
"maybe you were touched up by somebody Jewish as a child"
by asimovlives
Not fucking Nazi at all, no sir!!! You ar eso fuckinfg far gone you cna't even see or udnerstand it anymore. Put your pointy hat and go burn crosses, Adolph.
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Why are you complaining to me? Did i wrote the movie, perchance? Complain to Orci and Kurtzman and the assclown Abrams who directed the movie, not me. You are misdirecting your resentfulness.
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You never saw TOS until last year??? And you have the balls to be in here talking shit about the new movie every day for the last 14 months? You are fucking useless andretarded. Nothing you have to say about Star Trek has any merit whatsoever. Go the fuck away and take your closeted gay love of JJ Abrams with you.
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Seriously Asi, take your lithium.
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quite funny really. keep going.
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You also appear to have rage issues. Might I suggest a lay down? Maybe some breathing exercises?
I see that, despite my explanation, you still seem to fail to grasp the meaning of my original post in this thread.
I fear I may be wasting my breath in attempting to reiterate any further as it is clearly beyond you.
However, just for shits and giggles let us examine a few points.
1) Irrational, borderline psychotic, hatred towards something.
2) That hatred being driven from it's differing with your view of the aspect of the world in question.
3) Responding to people who don't support your view with vitriol.
4) Accusing them of being mindless sympathisers.
I would be very, very careful before accusing others of Nazi-like tendancies my friend, very careful indeed.
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ASIMOVLIVES, YOU ARE A CUNT!!! AND YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE NAME YOU USE!!! FUCK OFF!!!
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all this talk of nazis and cunts and bloody semen. From what ive read it seems asimov doesnt like J.J'S Star Trek and everyone else does = WAR.
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oh salt reviews coming in ...sounds positive, Total Film mag 4 stars, R.T currently has it at 65%, I watched The fugitive recently, it's a great movie, the end reveal isnt a shocker but its extremely entertaining. i love a good chase flick. lets hope Salt adds a bit of flavour to the summer .... did you see what i did there.
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A weekend party at Mel's house?
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Star Trek talkbacks have begun to pull ahead of Bayformers TBs in terms of pure entertainment. And why? Because of one man. Now, I happen to think you're taking the perceived crimes of Mr. Abrams a wee bit too personally, but what of that? It's what motivates you. You, sir, are the LeBron James of AICN. Just don't get worried about your legacy and go looking for a supporting cast---you don't need it.
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ive counted 6 tel rants, all on Radar.com and PerezHilton.com. the man sounds like he's lost his mind, how can we ever watch Mel on the screen again without thinking of his rage filled rants. Christ Ive been hurt by a woman before and sure I was angry but Mel, true to his nickname of Mad Mel, takes anger to a whole new level. maybe he should play Mad Max again afterall, and have Oskana as his villian. Total Film.com have given Salt a very positive review, and their usually very reliable. they say its Angie's best role. could we have a female spy series to rival bond and bourne?
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whats MVP?
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Watched it again with my wife over the weekend. One of the best casts ever assembled. Like the original Star Wars trilogy. Bones stole the show. I normally hate all things Star Trek. Agree with an above post. A new Trek with this cast every 2-3 years. JJ Abrams is a demi-god.
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Roberto said as he directed the Canters Waiter to bring his director/partner a bowl. "You know...that Fuck Nimoy...his fucking retirement announcement to the Media...that took some fucking balls; but he'll do the film again...we still have the fucking tape." JJ looked nervously at the door...then caught his chief writers eyes...sighing, he slumped down in the well worn booth as the Matzo appeared on the table. "Bob...this whole thing is out of control...I knew blackmailing Nimoy would not work, I knew there was no way to get him to do a second film, that'd he rather go into retirement or exile than put on the ears again...now he has Shatner in his corner and word on the street is the guy is gunning hard for us...he called the fucking Rabi for fucks sake Roberto...Leonard is old school...he'll expose us, end our careers, kill us if he gets half a chance...he put the pulsa dinura on us for fucks sake Roberto...you're not Jewish, you aren't really a part of this town...you just don't know what this means! And your half assed fucking script depends on his involvement" JJ scooted farther down into his seat even as his voice had risen to a whispered shout."Calm the FUCK down Abams..." his black clad minion whispered back, "Nimoy will do the film...I'll make fucking sure of it...and fuck his 'curse' on us, I don't believe in that shit anymore than you should you superstitious and paranoid Hebe. Besides...we have Takei on tap...and that bastard is one ruthless old queen when it comes to Shat and Nimoy..they don't work with us...Takei will ruin them." "you put too much faith in the jimmy lovin Jap Roberto" JJ spat back, "...he is in this for himself...remember...HE has plenty on everyone..one wrong move and we are in his sights as well, I hope you made HIS part a good one". "Relax...I made his part meaty as fuck, that old prancer will be launching gerbils out of his ass when he reads it..., trust me Abrams...this will all work out..." JJ Abrams look at his smug writer, finally pickin at the now cold Matzo in front of him..."Roberto..." JJ said finally with a sigh, "..to be honest I seriously doubt anything will be launched out of anyone's ass except maybe your script out of your own."
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after reading your post i think its safe to say Asimov will really like you ;)
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York as ridiculously hot and humid as it is here in Korea?
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can i have Pigs Day Out next please? ;)
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Trek? Personally I would love them to do Khan. And only Javier Bardem or Benecio Del Toro can be cast imho. Barring Khan, I think they should use the Klingons, but only if they can really come up with a new way to present them as I think they are a bit overused in trek imho. Otherwise I really hope they use more character and or villains form TOS. Even over 4 decades later it still rocks....
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trek, I enjoyed it (I found it fun and enterteining while lacking the depth and smarts of classic trek), but found it disposable, and having a very dumb script (which to be fair may of had to do with the writers strike as their MI3 script was actually fairly good). But if its true that you have only just fairly recently seen TOS, I think you can see why some people might think it odd for you to discuss the last trek film so much. I dont mean any insult or anything Asi, but you dont appear to be a fan, and some of us grew up on trek and thus like it in several incarnations. What is your favourite trek film Asi? And what did you think of TOS since you seem to be kind of new to Trek?
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Loved the new movie, been a Trekkie since the early 70s and looking forward to some more great Trek.
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the brain trust of Orci and Kurtzman to come up with an original great villain. After all look at Nero. A villain that could have been cool, and was well thought out conceptually, but then they left all his back story out in the film, and made him just another Khan ripoff....
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and Im just glad the series continues, and we get more adventures with Kirk and co...
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Yo bro, what's going on? It is terribly hot and humid here, I normally like warm weather but this year it's just too damn humid even for me.As for the next Trek, personally I don't want to see Khan (that being said I could easily see Bardem in the role, not so much DelToro), or the Kilngons for that matter. What I would like to see is perhaps the Tholians, the Kelvans, one of the races we saw in TOS for just one episode. They have total freedom to do what they want, so do something that we have not seen before. We have seen the Klingons, even the Romulans, give us another Trek race, one we know, but not too well. I want to see a more Trek like story in the next one. Abrams got peoples attention by what he did in the first film and that was fine, but now get down to business and give us some serious Trek now. He can keep the spirit of his first film, he can satisfy both new Trek fans and old, I just hope that is what he does. I'm hopeful.BTW saw The A Team movie the other day, it was kick ass!
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His opinion of it is more or less mine with some slight variations. I don't think Abrams is a great film maker, I also don't think he is the abomination that Asimov thinks he is either. Orci and Kurtzman...ehhhh yea not great writers, so I am hoping they give it a better effort this time.I understand that asi is judging the film as a movie and not necessarily as a Trek fan, because you cannot accurately judge it from a Trek standpoint if you are only a casual fan.Just one point I will make....people complain about Kirk being a punching bag in the movie....well if you watched TOS, Kirk got beat up all the time, the difference being he was older and a bit more experienced so he didn't get beat as bad....just sayin.
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Looking forward to more Trek, especially with this cast, if Abrams did one thing right he sure picked a good cast.
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I try to stay out of these Trek TB's but nooooooooo, I gotta get pulled back in....bastards!!!!!!!!! LOL
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t, cant fault him there. I actually agree with you that I hope they explore other characters and races from TOS. As you say, they now have the oppertunity to do with Trek whatever they want. bUT ABSOLUTELY we need a really good script for the next one..
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I knew the shit would hit the fan. At least we don't have scottpilgrim posting. Jackgraham, you sir are on a role. Asimov, you're a great person but on the ST remake while I agree with you. Its just not worth getting that angry about. Last, conspiracy that was an excellent post you just did.
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Not a deal breaker, but still...
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MVP=common (American) sports league acronym for "Most Valuable Player." The player for the sport in question who is considered the most individually responsible for his / her team's success. Given the US fascination with sports, MVP as a term has spilled over to other walks of life and I'm beginning to think of AsimovLives as the AICN equivalent because a talkback is automatically more interesting whenever he's involved.
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"reimagines" things? Unless you're a Nolan visionary type who has talent,good people around him and doesn't have his nose in the air, things usually don't work out. Someone wisely commented that Abrams is suited for TV not movies and is right. Same probally for Joss Wheadon although I hope I'm wrong.
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I wanna hear bones say "He's dead Jim" LOL.
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Of Abrams. I think the man is a good director. Everyone is an individual and have different tastes. AsimovLives is beyond relentless and is wasting energy better spent on praising Christopher Nolan another solid director but with directorial faults as well. There is nothing wrong with Abrams direction of films and I liked the lens flares. Doesn't make me or you or anyone else who liked Trek an idiot or whatever insults Asimov and others throw at you. This is the problem with so many on those site. They have zero respect for people who don't agree with them or like films they hated. Trek was good to me and I expect JJ to deliver again.
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your butchery of the English language and clear lack of even the most basic understanding of logic makes my head fucking hurt!!!! Also, your obsession with J.J. Abrams is creepy and your hatred for Trek 09 reminds me of all those AICN talkback dorks who went on for years and years about how "George Lucas raped their childhood" when he made the Phantom Menace. If the way you write is any indication, you must suffer from regular and serious bouts of verbal diarrhea when you speak.
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Do you have an Abrams symbol in your home that lights up anytime someone mentions him or Trek '09?
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Spock: Captain, it appears to be an old DY-100 style craft.
Kirk: Let's investigate - any life signs?
Spock: Captain, may I remind you about Starfleet's new General Order 47 regarding contact with ships that may be from another timeline? The one instituted after the destruction of Vulcan?
Kirk: Ah - yes. You go right on quoting regulations Mr. Spock. Chekov - lock phasers on target. Fire!
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...IMHO, whereas a retread of SPACE SEED or WRATH OF KHAN would NOT be cool.
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is that at least half the TB'ers on this site can write better, more engaging, funnier, sometimes insightful stories/posts/threads than we have seen come from so called "Professional" writers in some time.Look...I just want to know WHY it takes a team of two head writers, a director, and god knows how many script polishers and editors over a FUCKING YEAR to write a script that will probably be just as derivative and half assed as the Last Star Trek script?Bob...for THAT kinda work you and Kurtzman you get paid seven figures? No wonder the studios are going bankrupt. Hollywood does indeed need an enema
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With referring to Saldana as playing the role of Uhura as a B!tch as you put it. What exactly was bitchy about her role? Abrams and crew gave Uhura more respect and actual lines then previous films ever did. This ain't the 60's so the be seen and not heard moto ain't flying here. I'm curious as to why you even brought up the bitch reference regarding Saldana, does make me wonder. Can't wait for your feedback. It should be enlightening.
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because everything he does essentially is a new coat of paint on an old house. Khan, klingons, Mudd, etc. We all know whats going to happen in any of the movies as soon as they're announced. Only way I enjoy trek now is rereading the pbs from the 70s-early 90s. The Peter David stuff is really good. The books are better in that they really get into the lives of the crew. Scotty has own still, Ryker is told by a female how sexy his beard is, Geordi problems with Datas cat. Dc McFadden sleeping with Picard (Just kidding).
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"talkback is automatically more interesting whenever he's involved". what is it about Asimov that makes this so?
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i hated what Simon Pegg did with Scotty, turning him into a comedic baffoon. the only bad casting choice in my opinion. i hope they make him less comedy sidekick in the next one and more brilliant serious engineer. I didnt like Nero, thought he was a weak villian and i thought the plot had some convenient moments to help the story along, but otherwise i liked it, it had an energy and a sense of fun that reminded me of star wars and 80's summer flicks. Best thing about it, the dynamics between spock and kirk. and that blue chick, she was nice.
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FYI - My post was not reply to yours. I did not see your post until after I posted.That aside, a different Khan from ANOTHER timeline could open up entirely new possibilities.
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The green chick was nicer.
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Cite ST:TNG as good Star Trek? It had a handful of good episodes, but overall, as Trek, it fails miserably.
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MIGHT pass as ok sci-fi, but it sure aint good Trek...not even a full season of good episodes, the rest are mediocre to bad, and Frakes is a TERRIBLE actor.
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Walked out the first viewing and was disappointed. Thought about it and realized I liked the pieces, but it was like they put them together and it wasn't quite right, but put it out anyway. Saw it on Blu and, while still had issues, was able to enjoy it more. Love the cast. I think when Spock shot Kirk to Hoth that's when it really breaks down into eye-rolling overly convenient plot devices. Bana seemed like a pointless bad guy. After all, when he went back in time why not, WARN his planet about the impending doom instead of just brooding for years and years. (It's been a while, so I may be misspeaking about his ability to do that.) I don't think a bad guy was needed, just have the crew doing it's thing, like a trek through space, finding problems along the way, then they could have had something surface in the third act if needed. Here's hoping for a good sequel.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly: you think that the only legitimate reason to criticise Jar Jar Abrams' latest movie is if i'm a trekkie?Are you stupid?
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I'm getting tired of Saldana. She's playing the stereotypical tough sassy black chick straight outta Compton. She plays that fiddle even when she's a blue alien. Nichelle Nicols played Uhura with a calm dignity, intelligence and assurance. She knew her station and didn't try and play a smart ass. Saldana plays Uhura like she'll give you a piece of her black ass in the turbo shaft if you play your cards right.
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instead of staying in known space then its makes trek new. Another possibility is to have story involving a race that really hasnt been touched on, ie the gorn. Biggest problem with trek is just about every possible story idea has been done. But if you really want to put my butt in the theater, gimme lots of orion slave girls!! Everyone likes orion slave girls.
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Who's LeBron James? Don't assume everybody here is american, please.
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Jul 21, 2010 11:50:44 AM CDT
Khan uses genetic engineering to create Super Tribbles!
by royston lodge
It's true. JettL95 told me.
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The ST:TNG movies certainly are nothing to write home about. I used to think that FIRST CONTACT was far ahead of the rest of the TNG moies, but i have seen the error of my ways. It's really not that good, is it? As for the TNG Tv show, well, i don't know much about it, never saw a full season, never even have seen half a season,a nd i haven't seen many of the classic episodes, but, well, from what i have seen it's alright. doesn't have the same magic that the TOS has, in my mind. but then again, that's the only ST i do know complete, TV show and movies. Well, live action TOS that is, i never saw the 70s cartoon show.
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No, the only way to criticize it as STAR TREK is as a Trekkie, which you've failed to do from the start. I agree, as a movie, it leaves a lot to be desired. But you go off on characterizations like you know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't. We all know you don't. Stop pretending.
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If JettL95 told you, then it's true.
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Entire show based on klingon culture. Think about it: new crew, ship, culture, races associated with klingons, politics, etc. Too bad it won't happen but a series based on a klingon crew would catch my attention.
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"the only way to criticize it as STAR TREK is as a Trekkie"Oh for fuck's sake! Do you really believe that shit? Because, like, if only i buy the magic trekie ring will i then have magical powers to understand Star Trek? Not as a viewer? Not as a casual viewer? I can't understand Star Trek just by watching the fucking show? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK, WILL YOU? Stop being daft!By the way, does that only aplie to movie viewers, or does it also aply to filmmakers as well? Becasue by abrams' own admission, he knew next to nothing about Star Trek even when he accepted the directing gig. And he evne says that even after makinjg the movie he still knows little about Star Trek. He has been adamant about being a SW fan first, and not a fan of ST at all. He evne admited he felt bored watching the TOS. So, how's that going for your argument? Do filmmakers need to be trekkies too to make the movies? and if not, why should they be isempt from trekdom? But really, you didn't though your argument through, did you? You really didn't understood the implications of your own argument, did you? I'm npt suprised that a JarJarHead wouldn't, though. You guys do support a bad filmmaker who made a stupid movie for the ages.
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You know what was to be the next Trek series? Well, letme just say this, Ron D. Moore took the concepts he wanted to put into a new Trek series and turned it into BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. From that show, you can have a glimpse of what could had been a new Trek show had Moore had his way, instead of beign backstabbed by Brannon Braga and forced out of the show.
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"But you go off on characterizations like you know what the fuck you're talking about"Another brillant pearl of wisdom from spidercoz, ladies and gentlemen. Because, like, the characterizations in Abrams' movie cannot look phoney and contradictory on their own, do they? And by having watchignthe show, i can't deduce how off the target and misshandled the characterizations in Abrams' movie are? Becasue after watching 60 plus episodes of the TOS, i can«t have a pretty good idea who this characteers are, can't I? Only if i buy the magic ring of Trekdom will I have the magical powers to do so, right?GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!Can you even begin to udnerstand the dafness of your own reasoning? If reasoning could be called to that. Jesus, where do you buy your ideas, anyway? You should get a refund, they don't work.
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Would you rather:
1) Fuck a hot chick with Crabs and pubic lice (I.E. lots of the latter Next Gen movies which had a good starting point in the TV series but sucked butt as movies)
or
2) Fuck an ugly chick that has a clean Cunt (Trek-ohnine, which while a homely slut left the lice outta ur pubes).
There are no more HOT CHICKS THAT DONT HAVE A STD left (good movies...........) so make your choice.
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New Trek score was a disappointment when you compare it to the 'Yub Nub' song. The song that ROCKED Ewok Village in the theatrical cut of ROTJ.
The Yub Nub song is catchy, thrilling and guaranteed to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.
Hope Orci can write in an Ewok scene for new Trek, like Simon Pegg has a pet Ewok that he caught one time. And it sings a rebooted version of the Yub Nub song. He could maybe have a Mogwai too that whistles that sweet little tune from GREMLINS. With an Ewok *and* a Mogwai this TREK is guaranteed to be the best yet.
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By the time we hit part 3 or 4 at this rate these fucking actors will be fattening, getting white hair or looking to move onto other projects.(I'm exaggerating a bit but you all know what I mean)Remember in Lost how obviously you could tell that many years had passed between season 1 and season 6? Even though nobody had drastically changed you could see another 6 years of age added to their faces which made the later flashbacks seem sorta bizarre. Anyway I really liked the 1st one as I said I only wish they could crank them out faster or perhaps shoot 2 at a time LOR style. Maybe what I'm really looking for out of this is what Star Trek has always been...a weekly TV series. That's really the only way to explore all the characters and the adventures and discoveries they can have as a crew. Part of the reason that the original 6 films worked so well I think is because we had 3 season worth of time and history with Kirk, Spock and the rest.
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... tried to gangbang me and tried to silence me by sheer numbers and shouting their inane non-arguments. And the personal insults too, always a must. Those were the days. Never worked their way, though. And this extracts above, pathetic. Even in their lameness they used to be better adversaries, now i only have this pathetic bunch of screaming girls. I'm insulted. I'm even embaraced.
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having to end every movie in a fist fight. Granted, I get that Kirk does that. But he can do it in the second act! As I'm sure has been pointed out, Wrath of Khan didn't even have them in the same room. Not once. And I hope the idea of Trek IV is in someone's head for a future movie. Not whales or time travel (God no more!) but the lightheartedness worked so damn well. Who doesn't love the camaraderie between that bunch? As weak as V is, the personal moments between the crew make it watchable for me.
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Jul 21, 2010 12:14:29 PM CDT
Also, one must Understand the JewsihDicknose factor...
by peanutbutterslut
J.J. "jewish Dicknose" abrahms has that tool of a nose on his head for one reason;
He brownoses the public by sticking his "chosen snooter" around in their butts, not penetrating but sniffing around and such, looking to please them. When he sees a fanboy, he uses his "mazalshnooz" to fuck them in the ass, finishing with a giant sneeze right into ur butt (Asi). So just forget about it and stop watching anything JJ does. Except for a clovey sequel, I'd take a ride on the Jewtown express way for that (grabs a box of kleeenex). -
....The Roberto Orci, The Alex Kurtzman, The Damon Lindelof, oh my...
After reading the Hornblower series, the books that inspired Nicholas Meyer's wrath of Khan, not to mention the original series, I really really hate what these retards did to Star Trek.
Those of you who actually liked Jar Jar's Trek can bloody well keep it.
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really man.....what are you talking about? Not cool.
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Didn't Scotty already had a pet ewok... or whatever the fuck was that thing in the movie. Sure, it's a Ewok, Orci and Abram's style. There's nothing in Star Wars that is not fair game for Abrams to pillage for his STAR TREK movie. Sometimes, sometimes i do thank the gods of cinema for the existence of Jar Jar Abrams, the amount of schadenfreude humour to get from his ineptitude, stupidity and thievery as a filmmaker is just too good.
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Main Entry: dicknose
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: smelling organ of animate being (aka Jew Producer writer director)
Synonyms: adenoids, jewbeak, chosen-bill, kike-horn, heeb-muzzle, dradle-nares, cheap-nostrils, jewish olfactory nerves, kike proboscis, mazal-schnoz!, chosen-smeller, kike sneezer, butt-sniffer, frugal-snoot, jew-snout, cock-snuffer, ass whiffer -
Also, I'm not anti-semetic, just having a jolly good time. Call South Park, Saturday night live, Family guy ETC you fucking cunt if you don't like Jew Jokes. They are a part of culture. I mean no harm. What, it's ok for you guys to bash muslims, sandniggers, japs, mucktucks, retards, and Harry but "easy on the jews???"
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Just because his last name is Abrams (Was Abraham Lincoln jew because of his name? No he wasn't!!) and just because he has a big nose doesn't automatically make him so. And even if he was, to put him down for being jew is just stupid and retard, not to mention fucking fascist. If the only way for somebody to bash Abrams if by going on some anti-semitic rant, i would side with Abrams in a heart-beat. Racism and anti-semitism is for motherfuckers. Fuck them all.
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"I'm not anti-semetic, just having a jolly good time"Oh yeah, you are so going to be able to convince others of that.... NOT!
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Why so serious AICN tbers????????????
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I've read most of this talkback, and one thing is certain in my mind: you need to be the one to write the next Star Trek. Personally, I'd like to see Paramount go back to Picard and crew, and finish the Romulan arc that they began with Nemesis. Nemesis wasn't great, but it was a better film than J.J. Abram's Star Trek.
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Give me a fucking break. So when did TNG hate go into style? Must have missed the memo.
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"I would side with Abrams in a heartbeat." There you go, AsimovLives gives Abrams' new STAR TREK movie thumbs-up in advance!
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I agree. I'd like something not centralised on Starfleet for once.
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man, you guys are sooo sensitive. What about all the Family Guy Jew Jokes??? Did you all put in your maxipadS and write Seth letters?? There where whole episodes bashing the jews! LOL!
At least I made ASI defend JJ. That was awesome.
Making a few jew jokes in good fun doesnt make one a racist biggot.
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The major difference between SP and those other shows and their Jewish jokes is that they are funny and clever...you clearly are neither of those things. Your post had an ignorant bitchy antisemitic tone. You come off as the raging yeast infected twat that you truly are and I called you on it. Don't cry about it now, just man up and move on you silly bitch.
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Your all anti condiment for bashing ME!
What, you don't like ketchup, mustard, relish? PbandJ's not your style? What, should we round up all the ranch dressing on earth and send it to camps!?
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Maybe try taking the shovel that you are using to dig a deeper hole for yourself and try planting it in your ass. Now STFU and move on...you got your skirt pulled up, end of story.
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was almost as good as the iconic Kevin Conroy if not better. Surprised AICN didnt give the upcoming Animated Feature some kinda plug since it's the best Batman Film from DCAU.
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was almost as good as the iconic Kevin Conroy if not better. Surprised AICN didnt give the upcoming Animated Feature some kinda plug since it's the best Batman Film from DCAU.
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If rancor finds it funny, it's ok. So if you thought gasing jews was funny, it would be ok w/ you then? You didn't CALL me on anything. Whos to say if it's funny or not? Funny is subjective.
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"As weak as V is, the personal moments between the crew make it watchable for me."I agree. As many flaws that movie has, it got the camaraderie and friendship between Kirk, Spock and Bones exactly. It's by far the best aspect of that movie.You know what was one thing (among many) that puzzles me about Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams's movie? Why did they had to make Spock and Kirk antagonists at the start? Why couldn0t they had became fast friends right when they first meet, like Kirk and Bones? Why the need to have Spock and kirk at each other's throats? do they think that's drama? That's the only way to portait drama and character development? It's the lazy man's way to create instant conflict. It's bullshit too. Yeah, right! Spock first senmds Kirk to certain death witht eh escape pod to an ice planet full of big mosntrous extremely dangerous carniverous beats then he beats the shit out of Kirk to an inch of his life, and then later they became pals and fighting action men comrads? Give me a break! That's not writing, that's not storytelling, that's total complete bullshit. Movies have been mocked for much less.
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"I have nothing against the jews©". SO you guys need to get a fucking grip man. Such fucking whiny babies on here.
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...you can drag the argument way out into left field all you want. The fact remains you went on a tasteless anti-Semetic tirade for no reason and got exactly zero "lol's". I called you on it and now you are continuing to act like a cunt. I expect nothing less from you.
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I knew you JarJarHeads would pull a creationist tactic on my post. No lie and distortion is bad enough for you.
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ASIMOVfails: "I hate JJ, what a fucking piece of shit. He can fucking die, what a POS trek movie. Ohhh, wait a minute, someone called JJ a JEW? Well, that's just wrong. He's a human being guys. You know, I learned something today, we can't be intolerant. Unless of course it's related to movies and ones personal character, sure, but hey, let's keep the gloves on. I have bitched about JJ and trek for years BUT man..... bashing JJ for being a Jew, man that's just awful. Doesn't matter that I've been bashing the man on a personal level, berating him for everything else. I'm gonna go cry know. And have anal w/rancor."
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But the funny thing is that, on a previoous post, i alrady said that i can't wait to watch Abrams' next Trek, and that i hoped he and Orci and Kurtzman are involved. I explaiend why, only they can deliver the kind of retardness that would make that movie memorable in the anals of cinematic stupidity, which would be goo dcause for comedy at the movie's expense. So, quote me on this too, i can offer you for fee, here it is: ""Abrams please make next Trek as stupid as the first" AsimovLives". Full quote, no cheating, you fucking bastard.
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How does it feel to be a troll?
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PeanutButterSlut: "J.J. "jewish Dicknose" abrahms has that tool of a nose on his head for one reason;
He brownoses the public by sticking his "chosen snooter" around in their butts, not penetrating but sniffing around and such, looking to please them. When he sees a fanboy, he uses his "mazalshnooz" to fuck them in the ass, finishing with a giant sneeze right into ur butt (Asi). So just forget about it and stop watching anything JJ does. Except for a clovey sequel, I'd take a ride on the Jewtown express way for that (grabs a box of kleeenex).
............PS "I have nothing against the jews".
I have nothing against black people either...now let me go use the N word and make a completely tasteless and unfunny rant over in another topic, which is fine so long as I can have a "jolly" time in doing so. -
and you can't beat the knosh at Brents.
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The only way I'd even be remotely interested in a second helping of bitter ST remake is if they hired new writers, injected more navel and classic literature sense and dropped the whole alternative time-line business which they should have never introduced. The remake should have stood on it's own legs like Batman Begins which didn't been to make reference to Burton's Batman - I know, not the best analogy, since both took from the original source material, but you get my point. Oh, and could they please hire some real science and engineering consultants?
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I could say the same about you all things considered and actually be waaaaaaaay more accurate. Funny how instead of being a man and simply admitting being wrong you revert into a pussy-like denial mode and instantly claim everyone is "oversensitive"...and anyone who makes a valid point = a troll. Okay...makes sense. Continue on in life using that warped logic and you'll remain the loser that you always have been.
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The animated series, while a bit rough in the actual animation department, was, IMO ST:TOS seasons 4 & 5...it was way better than TNG could have hoped to be and if you get the chance to see it, do so.First Contact, at least in the scope of TNG movies, is definitely watchable. Not a great movie, but I can watch it if only for the Borg, one thing TNG did good, made a classic Trek evil race.But like I said, apart from a handful of well done episodes, I have little use for TNG. I'll cite a perfect example...Data. Now, I love the character of Data, but my issue with him is the fact that throughout the entire series you have this constantly "malfunctioning" android, putting lives in danger more than once...AND THEY KEEP FUCKING PROMOTING HIM...he should have long since been either deactivated or at the very least, not promoted. I could go on but I won't I gotta watch my blood pressure.For me Asi, TNG shits all over Trek way more than Abrams does and I will tell you why. Abrams admitted he was not a Trek fan and more of a Star Wars fan, so I expected the SW feel of the movie because of that. TNG was mediocre to bad sci-fi trying to disguise itself as Trek, which to me is way more insulting that anything Abrams did. Sure there are some classic Trek moments in TNG, I will admit that, but over the course of 7 seasons, not nearly enough for it to earn the Trek name.
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Other than that, ST was merely passible entertainment. nothing i would see again but nowhere as bad as Klanformers 2.And Asi, sure Greenwood stood out but so did Karl (Urban)whose 'bones would have done Deforest Kelly proud. I give most of the cast props for the crappy script/screenplay they had to endure while acting out the scenes.Bana's Nero was possibly the worse character in STINO (As you call it.) another testiment on how flawed Kuntzman and Orci's writing "talents".
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..oops.
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not sure why...I realy enjoyed the first one. I just know this sequel will suck but most of you will still pay to experience that suckage.
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I agree about Spock and Kirk. That said, I think there was a way to have the Kirk-getting-Spock-emotional moment. They (lamely) attempted that when Kirk got back to the ship, basically said, "You're mom wears combat boots" and Spock gets angry. I wanted that moment to be wrenching for me to watch as Kirk has to hurt his friend as it's the only way. IF that is part of your story.
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The onion variety are tasty. Hava Nagila is a pretty bitchin' tune as well.
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Get him off MI4, and put an end to that franchise once and for all. And please no time travel in the Trek sequel. It's been done to death. End of rant.
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I do have to agree with you on something about Trek 09....the whole ejecting Kirk to the ice planet thing. That was pushing it....ok it had to be done so Kirk could meet up with Spock Prime, but it could have been done better than that. If Spock saw Kirk as a threat, trying to mutiny, whatever, throw him in the brig, that's what it's for, then turn him into Starfleet when you return to earth. That was a lazy plot device, and should have been done differently.
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My condolences for those who actually made it through a season of this pretentious drivel.I'm glad Stewart and burton made a profit from that series which should also be considered "In Name Only". so damn uncompelling and I believe that both data and Worf were the most overrated characters in the series.Q was OK though.
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I would avoid using the B Word around here.
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Nothing shows the low brow, pander to the Trekkies mindset like throwing that one word into the scene it was in. Really...does the Spock character really find an overly complex, illogical, motorized seating surface to be "Fascinating"? All I can say is either Spock or Roberto needs to get out of the house more.
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Your the biggest troll of them all dude. You whine about Trek over and over and over. The very definition of trolling. IRONY!
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I will never renounce my love of onion bagels, and would want the world to know it.
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You didn't address my argument that you bash JJ constantly and insult his character but I can't insult him in "non-approved' by the TBers ways? Tell you what, lets make a deal. I won't make Jew Jokes if you don't bash Trek, ever again.
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if Quinto hadn't done the old Spock eyebrow, or even uttered the word 'fascinating', some fanboys would have been very upset.
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Just don't say JJ eats bagels then, or any of the trek 09 cast. Might be too much for the tb to handle. But like I said, if Asi vows never to rip trek again, I will never make a jew joke on AICN again.
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Thanks. But thing is, i understand that it must be terrible hard to write a Star Trek movie. The show itself was perfectly structured as a TV show. To pull that into a film format must be no easy task. Besides, what to do? If one goes for what they did in the Tv show, one ends up with an over-extended TV episode, which is not what a movie should look like. wrath Of Kahn is indeed remarkable because they did mannaged to make it feel like a movie through and through, and not just a big TV episode, evne though it is tecnically a direct sequel to one.I think that with the new Star trek, abrams and company had a golden oportunity to make a truly cinemtic Star Trek movie free of possible constrains. By putting the story during the Academy years, so muck could be told. So many oportunities to developt new stories in different settings then the ones from the TV shows. Instead, Abrams and company squandered the oportunity by rushing through the academy years. One moment Kirk is enterring the academy, next it's already the final exam year. 3 years full of dramatic possibilities gone merely on a fast cut. Adn then,to make things worst, they end the first movie by making Kirk already captain of the Enterprise. This people, this Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman, they are burning dramatic bridges. This people think that the only way for them to tell Star Trek stories with Kirk and company is only by making Kirk El Capitan? They are missing out on golden oportunities. so, now, they are trapped into making stories which, inevitably, will sound alike those already told before in movies and TV shows. This guys really didn't though this through.
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on the Enterprise, trying to escape a robot from their future, who has amnesia, and doesn't remember being built by Bill and Ted in hopes of recreating the bridge fight between Kirk and Soron and Picard who all end up training humpback whales to jump through hoops of fire. "Why are they not singing!" (My apologies) Bagels.
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My deal to you: get out and never come back. Thank you.
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PeanutButterSlut, you might have something there peanut.
It'll take dedication and timing but if you follow Asi around and whenever he posts something vaguely negative about STAR TREK you post right behind him with one of your 'hilarious' anti-jew jibes.
A bit like a hostage situation where every hour that Asi's tirade continues you will kill another jew (with your cutting comedy).
I don't quite know how it will turn out but hopefully the end game will involve both of you with laser sights between your eyes and police marksmen pulling the triggers. -
Q, the Borg, and some other episodes were good, but overall, yea TNG is STINO, say what you will about Trek 09, but it didn't shit on Trek like TNG did. TNG made a mockery out of all TOS characters it had on, and gave us one of the worst characters, not just in Trek, but ever in Wesley fucking Crusher.....god Wil Wheaton was good in Stand By Me, but god Wesley....I wanted to pancake his face with a fucking iron every time I saw him. Horrible, useless annoying character
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if it had been at such an obviously tacked on afterthought.
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Oh wait, sorry, I thought they said Romulan!
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He already did one. Since this is a reboot, let Pike fucking do it. Indiabrams . . . Indiabrams . . . let go. Honey, I can't hold you!
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because we wanted to say that these are the "continuing voyages." Pine can't say that.
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Lame. LAAAMMMEEE dude. Step up, be a man, and take my offer. Otherwise wallow in your hipocritical bullshit, and don't bother posting on AICN ever again.
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you never did answer my question from before: what accident are you recovering from? Did you get too much radiation in an MRI?
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Lol. Annnnnnd I wrote "Pike". Fuck! No, that's a valid point. But why not have PINE do it and then step back from the mike for Nimoy to say "continuing voyages". Lol, mayhaps not. But perhaps a commendation for original thinking is headed my way. (Mayhaps not.)
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TB'er proverb that say's screenwriting is an art form best presented with some effort? Well...it was obviously very effortless in the last Star Trek film.
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Cobra kai - deal! But you can never again use you Dojo meme, or leave subject lines blank. That's my compromise.....................................
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"When something can be read without effort, great effort has gone into its writing" So thanks! A compliment that you think we made the highest grossing Trek ever so effortlessly.
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Deal accepted bud?????? You r a bigger man than I thought Asi. SORRY FOR THE JEW JOKES ALL>
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it lets the geeks actually argue over their likes and dislikes. because if this place is any indication, in real life they probably only hang around people who share their views and tastes. so hoozah to the internet. ;)
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bit of british humour there.
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Anyone who had the creativd vision to write for Jack of All Trades would have no trouble seeing the brightside of a left handed compliment..lmao
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He's a man of his word.
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As I remember Bob Sr. is all lower case. lol
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What mroe do i have to say to a waste of time like you? Keep dreaming you are the man, loser.
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And it's not me! I got fucking high one night and came up w/ my screen name, and thought it was totally original.
Little did I know that a HOT BABE also had the name reserved??????
http://www.myspace.com/pbslut
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Lol, sorry, had to finish the scene. (Read it again with Khan's dramatic flair and you WILL laugh your ass off.) (You've just been INCEPTED!)
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Ummmm.....you are a loser! Zing! Anyways, let's friend on facebook. I heard myspace is lame now...
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you're like a star on here!
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Peanutbutterslut is a band? LOL!!!!!!!!!! ahahahhahahahahahah
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Spock Prime could had been met a different way. Since it's obvious in this story that Spock is resigned to the fact he will not return to his original universe, all he needed to do was to haul ass to the federation outpost and from there sent a message to the federation about the situation. The first ship to pick it up would be enterpris,e it would pass by the planetoid to pick him up, and thus spock would be brough to the ship and he would say his piece, and him beign sopock too would convince the crew of what to be done. No need to go on nonsense fights between Kirk and Spock, no need for Spock to eject Kirk to icy planet, and millions of dollars would had been saved on nonsense bullshit. Spcok prime could even brough Scotty with him. Adn also, imagine how much iconic it would had been if the first way we see Spock Prime in the movie would had been him teleporting to the ship. Instead of the lame reveal that he gets in the movie.This is the msot fantastic thing about Abrams' movie, is that the people who made it couldn't evne understand the possibilities and oportubnities their own movie would allow. They missed chances after chances after chances afte chances. The movie is a whoel catalogue of missed oportunities, of people not understanding their own creation. It's tragic beyond belief. Truly, that movie's script never went beyond the writen on a napkin stage.
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Asi, are you in this band??
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Nah, no facebook for me yet.
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if only Bob and Alex had someone like you around their scripts would not suck near as badly.
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apart from everyone hating on you, what's up?
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do you like to cook asimov, what about you peanutbutterslut?
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already answered that in last thread. But given your injuries, it's ok that you don't remember. Did the training wheels fall of your bike going down hill?
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You think i wanted this attention? I was just a guy expressing my opinion about a bad movie. The fundamentalists who love this crappy movie, they are the ones who actually started all this, with their stupid tactic in attack in numbers trying to overwhelm me into silence and submission. What they never figured out, in their bullsih ways, was that i would reply to them piecemeal. Each that attacked with their lame "reasonings", i offered a reply. I fast ebcame the guy who posted the mos,t bec aue i replied to each and every one of them. Inthe end, it was them who got overwhlemed. They just didn't predicted they would face somebody who would face them all and would not be intimidated by their bullish ways. I started to get known because of that, because i posted, posted, posted in reply to all of them. What this JarJarHeads never figured out was they might once face with a real demosntration of this simple concept: the strenght of rightousness. They never guess they would face off with a tireless dude who would never get tired of telling it asit is. It also because of those clowns that i'm yet to shut up about Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK. Those guys still owe me bacon, and i'm still collecting. It will take years until ballance is achieved.
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Not on Facebook? Come on dude get with the times LOL. Then again im a computer geek so don't go by me.But seriously you should get into it, it's pretty neat.I can't argue with you on that point my friend, the whole kirk/spock prime/scotty thing was handled with laziness, should have been done better than it was.I have never ever denied Trek 09 was a flawed film, I just don't see it as the catastrophic failure that you do that's all, but you already knew that.
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And you still think i beleive you are who you claim you are? In fac,t it's beter that you aren't, or else your enemies would had a field day collecting your replies and posts. You would be giveing them feee amunition. Yeah, great behavior you show for a big shot Tv producer and movie screenwriter, acting like and talking like a sore loser teen. Thank goodness you are not the real Orci, clown.
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I'm an old timer, it's only recently i stoped painting on cave walls. Ahh, those were the days! Not this fancy computer shit!
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i don't know whether to pat you on the back for being consistent with replying to your "clowns" or to tell you to relax and not bother. im gonna go with the former bcos it entertains me. carry on.
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that you think anyone would bother to impersonate me. Don't matter who I am, please tell us because we are dying to know: Did a vending machine fall on you when you were trying to steal pack of Skittles?
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knocking 'em out to the final frontier. Lol.
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A retarded, illogical, noisy tree.
No, you don't "get" Star Trek. By your own admission, you never watched any till last year. I've been watching it my entire life and I still see things I hadn't noticed before each time. You're a fucking expert on Trek because you watched it once? Please.
Arguing movie quality and good Star Trek are not the same thing, as you insist on making them. No, the filmmaker doesn't have to know Trek to make a good film; case and point, Nicholas Meyers. He did it twice. But the actors better goddamn well understand the characters they're portraying. And the writers better goddamn well understand the universe they're playing in. I've repeatedly said as a movie it wasn't so hot and the writing was sloppy, but the actors knew their roles and played them well. Calling me a "JarJarHead", whatever the fuck that means, just deflates your own argument and makes you look like a jackass.
You also shoot yourself in the foot, yet again. From you: "I liked the cast. Not wholesome, but generally speaking, the movie was pretty well casted." Then: "Because, like, the characterizations in Abrams' movie cannot look phoney and contradictory on their own, do they? And by having watchignthe show, i can't deduce how off the target and misshandled the characterizations in Abrams' movie are?" You talk about MY reasoning? You can't form a coherent thought that you don't blatantly contradict an hour later.
The only way I can explain you is that you're the perfect troll. Self-contradictory, assured of your own subjective superiority, impenetrable by logic and facts, and pernicious as a metasticized tumor. To that I just have to say well done. People try for YEARS to achieve what to you must come naturally.
And Asi, mein freund, you brought all this upon yourself when you started name-calling everyone who likes the movie, over a year ago. Trying to backpedal now and say you were attacked first is disingenuous in the extreme. -
As a movie and as story, Abrams' latest is a catastrophic failure. As a piece of shameless commercialism it was a good enough sucessful venture. As a world event, it was as important as a fart. I know that. but i'm a movei geek talking in a movie geek forum where movie geek stuff is talked about. and why not take your hobbies seriously too? Sure, it's all for fun, but then again, why should i be easy on those movies and the people who make them that think audiences like we are stupid mindless sheep and make movies accordingly? I'm supposed to have fun at the movies, not being insulted, you know what i mean? It's all a mater of perspective, in the whole sheme of things it's unimportant, but on a personal level, it is important. Are you to deny that your own personal things are unimportant to you? Everything is important if you give importance. Everything matters.
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from Nolan? Damn that guy's good!
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"good god it's like arguing with a tree"Irony is not your forte, is it? The irony of your posts are so thick, a chainsaw wouldn't suffice to cut through them. You are completly, compeltly oblivious. Adn you accuse others of thickheadness? Are you deliberatly trying to make me laught? Are you actually pulling a comedy act? Is this a stand up routine you are doing to get me to laught? Because if it is, it's working. Brillantly, i might add. You are a great comedian, dude.
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DOn't quite know where that last rant came from, but regardless, point taken and well said. Now what is this old timer shit? I know I am older than you so what does that make me??? LOL. I still say get with the times and get on FB, at least try it, ya old fucker HAHAHAHA...oh wait then that makes me.....I meant get on FB young fella!
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Nothing personal, just felt the need to throw that in there. (Yes, I am lonely.) (Vulcan tears)
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Pity him.
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spidercoz makes an excellent point. You DID start all the trolling and flaming that's gone on over the past year that we've had Star Trek TB's. You take it as a personal insult if anyone else seems to enjoy it, and when someone calls you out for it you attack them instead of addressing their points. Your outright hatred of JJ Abrams is not just sinister, but downright disturbing.
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Like a piece of the action or A wolf in the fold. I really liked the last one but I would like to see more classic Trek in this one, strange planets surfaces, weird aliens that are enslaved by weirder aliens, just something more than "Romulan bad guy".
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I don't understand why everyone is raving about him, he's terrible. Sure, he looks a little like Nimoy, but if you give Mickey Mouse that haircut and those ears he'd look like Spock. Quinto just doesn't portray the quiet intelligence that Nimoy did. I don't believe him at all as Spock.
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Really? I cant agree with that, I thought Quinto was great as a young, not as logical and unemotional as he will soon be Spock....we are all different when we are younger, we grow into the people we are later in life, that's why I thought Quinto was good. Then again, that's just my opinion.
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I aim to please.
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I started? That's rich! I never start anything. I'm a reactive person. i just said my piece and DEFENDED IT WITH ARGUMENTATION. that's the point. The JarJarHeads were offended that somebody dared thinking nothing but wonder sof his latest movie. The fuckers were the first to turn this ugly and personal. And even then, i restrained. Don't take my word for it, go read it. If anything, even at my wrost, i have been far more kind thn this clowns deserve, given the aggravations i got from them. When i say they owe me bacon, they owe me a whole pork herd. Adn you think i see myself as a victim? No sir, i'm not. You know who I am? I'm the one who laughts.
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Prove your claim.
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Cause they weren't last time.
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but I can't see Quinto growing into the role the way Nimoy played it. Sure, he can play Spock as "not Spock", but I don't think he has the acting capacity to go all the way and grow with the character. Just my opinion.
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"When i say they owe me bacon, they owe me a whole pork herd" oh man please keep this talkback going til i retire to bed, it's amusing me to no end.
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I don't really like trek-ohnine. Not really that much. I just have an issue that you bash JJ and that's ok but I call him a *** and you freak out! Doesn't make sense.
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just chillin' until the movie comes out.
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you a one man jj wrecking machine
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Adn yet my whoel imrpession about the vulcans was that they wer at their most logical in their younger age, right after their hown version of their Academy of logic or whatever it's called, with all their indoctrination still fresh in their minds and souls, and they only relaxed in their logical thighness and became amore acceptant of emotions in old age, when they were savvy and experienced enough. I figured that vulcans are more logical the younger they are. In that regard, Abrams's movie did the right thing to have Spock's father and old Spock trying to teach young Spock that emotiosn are not necessarily evils to be dismissed but could be incorporated into a life expereince. What rubbed me the wrong way in the movie was how insistent the mvoie was that Spock SHOULD BE EMOTIONAL, that the onyl way tobe right is to be emotional, which is a betrayal of the character and a bad interpretation and understanding of the way vuilcvans are as an alien race. I really disliked the way the movie tried to "humanize" Spock, instead of embracing his alieness. Becasue without his alieness, who is spocm but just another human with pointed ears. Kinda defeats the very reason why the character is so unique and memorable, don't you think?
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BobOrci- dude give it a rest your not the real BobOrci. Juts like Jett isn't a hollywood guy. Give me a fucking break man.
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What's an a***? Never learned that word when i studied english. Is it a new thing?
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Cause that last post, damn.
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David Hasslehoff-capt (He's Kirk jr), Lynda Carter-first officer (Never get tired of her),Bill Bixby-Dr(of course),Jeff Goldblum-Chief scientist,Teri Garr-Communications,OJ SImpson-security (I'm good with a knife), Bo and Luke Duke for navigation and helm (Yeehaaawww) and hell lets put Daisy Duke as head nurse (snicker), still want scotty as my engineer.
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Yummy.
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People w/ real jobs don't post here. It's like the foodstamp line. Go away and leave us poofolk in peace man! Oh right you dont have a jub either fake boborci
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Just a thought.
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LOL!!!
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His fans call it "a one man J.J wrecking machine" "downright disturbing" "retarded, illogical" and "hypocritical bullshit"
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Good to know you are unto the guy and you were not fooled. You wouldn't beleivwe how many peoplehav,e and how quick they were to kiss his ass, when previosuly they had bashed him and his scripts mercilessly. Everytime i remember seeing this talkbackers losing their shit and rishing to kiss his ass, it's the stuff of comedy legend. The guy who calls himself boborci, however, must have lap it up and laughed like hell. As he would.
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I had to censor the word for your protection.
BUT, since your being a *** about it,
Here's you earlier dude
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Resistence is futille for the easily impressionable.
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It's not working. You really have to write that in english, please. Thank you.
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comment about fakboborci. The REAL BobOrci is doing coke off a one-tiited whore in ElSalvador.
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I'll let you do the advertizement for the movie.
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As I always say, Spock is half human. Your point would be dead on if he were 100% Vulcan, but he is not. Look at the "purebreds" who were taunting Spock about his mother....not exactly logical behavior.I feel from watching Trek all these years that it is perfectly fine to have Spock be how he was in Trek 09...a half human/half Vulcan struggling to maintain his Vulcan side, not fully in control of his emotions, because of his human heritage. It is unarguably more difficult for a half Vulcan to suppress his emotions that it is for a full Vulcan. Humans are inherently emotional, and emotions are not at all easy to suppress, especially if you are trying to fully suppress them. Sure, later on in life he learns to deal with his emotions better and embraces them, here he is just struggling to control them, I had no problem with that portrayal at all.
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Again, blasting my English whilst you butcher it as well is like the pot calling the kettle ****. CENSORED FOR YOUR PROTECTION.
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"Look at the "purebreds" who were taunting Spock about his mother....not exactly logical behavior."
WRONG!
Insects fight over territory and they display no emotion. Same difference. It's a matter of dominance. Not emotion. Very logical in fact.
That being said....
I doubt the real BobOrci thought about any of that. That onetited hooker can hold a lot of coke in the dented area where the other tit used to be.
He was too busy to think of such things.
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...apparently minus Lindelof's little gay butler Cuse. Just crossing my fingers that the alt-Trek-verse isn't another Magic-BFF-Purgatory.
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you must be getting tired, I was really disappointed with your last reply, all flame, no substance, and confirming what I said previously
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Believe it, friend, i rather be peaceful. Adn of course, you are right, would the real Robert Orci be wasting his time in here? As if! The thign about this dude who calls hismelf boborci is that at the begining he was able to manin the face by just writing very short posts, and whenever he pretended to tell us stuff about his movies, he would jsut repeat stuff that Orci already had said in interviews or comic-com conferences. But recently, i mananged to piss him off so much he started to lose grip on his pcreated persona, and his true self is showing. Specially when he started to try to make personal jabs at me. That's when he showed his hand. He's not even realising the mistake he's making. It's such a basic mistake! At least with JettL he deliberatly broke character so that he could give a sincere personal wish for Harry a speed recovery when he got ill. This boborci clown, however, is not that sophisticated. And he let his irrtation get the better of him. The dude broke character a long time ago and pretends he still in control. Pathetic.
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From lack of ability to recognize irony now you gone to self-delusion of an imaginary victory? What other character fault are you going to present us with next?
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Harry would be blasting cum all over his new fixed hard drive (thus disabling it again) if there were any REAL celebs on here. He would invite you to a BBQ w/ robert rodriguez and give you a black box. Also, by now, you would have shut me down by SKYPEing w/ me ala Bruce Willis in the die hard tb's. So enough man. Tits...or um black box or get the fuck out.
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Well established in Trek lore that Spock was ostracized as a kid. Also, you'll note the scene was written with the bully's attempting to get an emotional response from Spock through a scientific approach. Also note that logic is a discipline Vulcan's learn to control their emotions.
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I got it! You locked yourself out of the house, and you nearly choked yourself trying to break in through the doggy door?
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Bob.
Him spending all his time on the web instead of writing his screenplays would explain the quality of his body of work, ZING!! -
sitting on set having fun with you guys between takes. Will start writing when I am back in LALA land.
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Asi called ME self-delusional!!! I love it!
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I actually backed you up with my statement defending that scene. I know that missing boob dent is pretty deep, but you may want to only partailly fill it up w/ coke, or share with the hooker.
IF YOU WERE THE REAL BOBORCI. Instead, I'm sure you can only afford to see online picks of concave chest holes and onetited hookers. Pity really.
Harry would have ruined even more hard drives if you were telling the truth.
Put all this to rest. Email Harry. Shut us up. Tell you what I'll BLOW asi in real life if you do it. Hot tub time machine style. I'm willing to bet that much. -
snorting the coke off teenaged hookers, rather he is out polishing up the 599 and getting ready for his Comic-Con panel this weekend; where I hear tale he will use rolled up Bens to snort Crystal Meth out of the dusty baby gash of a 200 pound girl covered in blue Fun Fur and wearing clip on cat ears and a homemade tail.
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And I will suck his dick if your the real BobOrci. Seriously. I don't belive you that much.
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I can buy little vulcan tykes acting like assholes. Even the TOS makes coments on that, that Spock came home crying when some alien pet of his had been killed by some full blooded vulcan bully. Even in TOS they establiosh that vulcans ar enot naturally logical, it's a deliberate conditionalism. So, a young vulcan tyke acting like a dick can be rationalized. What i just don't buy it is that some 20 years later of deep conditioning, and right after the dude leaves that Vuilcan Acedemy for logic or whatever, he starts to lose grip of his logical character and became an emo mommy boy. Bullshit to that. It's bad storytelling. It's melodrama in lieu of real drama. It's just writers not giving a damn. It's writers thinking "it worked so well for Felicity and Alias, damn well it will work for Star Trek too, by hook or by crook". And this is one of the thigns that really makes me dislike Abram's movie so much: the blatant disrespect. Look, i don't know much about Batman either. I know the basics, as i do for Star Trek, specially TOS, of which i know nothing about the stuff in the novelization and other stuff. but when i saw BATMAN BEGINSA,it felt right. It felt the people who made that movie were respectful to the material and the character while doing their owen spin. I never got that in Abrams' Trek. I doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like anybody showed any respsct or consideration. The movie feels that a bunch of jocks invaded a cosed bar and decided to drink all the beer for free without paying, spilled to the floor all that they didn't drank, and didn't even had to cortesy to turn off the lights and close the door. The disrespect is palpable. And this is the same respect that, for amovie suppsoed to be Star Trek, is the same type of respect one should do in adapting any other work, be it from a literary source, a TV show, real life events, whatever. The whole movie is a non-stop show of disrespect and desinterest. It's a bunch of filmmakers putting their egos onscreen and fuck the rest.
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Really, not being nostalgic here or anything, but after Abrams' first Star Trek foray, I won't be watching ANY other "efforts".
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this guy is so sought after. I endured all five seasons of Alias and since then haven't watched anything that came by way of Abrams. Until Star Trek. It was a big, big mistake.
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Yeah but does Kurtzman knows that?
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I'll pass on your generous offer, which you made so quickly, it's clearly not the first time. How can I prove it to you? I know! I'm moderating panel at comic-con. I'll say a secret word of your choosing.
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....a UNIVERSE destroying Black Hole, how about THAT for upping the completely off it's scientific ass melodrama ante, eh?!
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The truth makes you laugh? OK, you did showed off your other character fault. What will be the next one? Can't wait to find out.
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....universe destroying Supernova. Sorry, got my retarded plot convenient MacGuffins confused.
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Here's your proof that you are who you claim to be: go to the comic panel and say the following words laud and clear for all the audience to hear: "My Star Trek movie is really terrible and we pulled a fast one on you all, we fooled you all, and my script should be taugh in film schools on how not to write for film". And you say that as if you really mean it and not give any indication you will backtrack that coment. That will be the only way we will believe you are for real. Which you aren't.
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I would agree with you IF his planet didn't just blow up with his mother on it. But again, you are excused because of your accident.
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interesting that some talk backers don't believe it's really me when they start losing arguments.
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Directed by J.J Abrams, AsimovLives:The Movie is the much anticipated follow up to Abrams 2009 Star Trek. Based on a true story about one mans hatred for the reinvention of Star Trek, and a hundred mens efforts to shut him up. Co star Zoe Saladana is hesitant to reveal any details of her role, whose charcter name is known only as "bitch". The film also stars Peanutbutterslut, boborci, spidercoz and rougeleader 66, this is expected to break box office records. rated R for intense and graphic language, ebert is allready calling it " a masterpiece of insults, makes Glengarry Glen Ross look like a sunday picnic" and Time out calls it "an extremely funny expose of boys fighting"
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If I want to see a new Star Wars, I'll get some leverage on George and get him to work. ROTS may have sucked in part, but at least he was getting close to back in form. Star Trek SHOULD never be Star Wars or vice versa.
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"Him spending all his time on the web instead of writing his screenplays would explain the quality of his body of work, ZING!!"Beautiful! If only life was that simple, though. Nah, man, Orci will never rise from the mediocre level he is, and this boborci clown chosed a terrible target to impersonate. Really, what kind of a fool would want to try to pass for an hack? If i wante dto impersonate an hack, i would do that to ruin his reputation and to make him look like an ass. Which boborci is just doing, come to think of it. Hummm!!!
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pay attention: we said Galaxy, meaning the known galaxy, which spans the potential reach of large supernova. Also, when the news says, gunman threatens neighborhood, do you take that to literally mean that a guy with one gun is going to kill everyone in the neighborhood?
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"Nah, man, Orci will never rise from the mediocre level he is"Poor me! I'm screwed if things continue as they are!
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you know the name, you know the hate .... Asimov:The Movie.
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"Grow up, grow a pair and act like an adult when in a room with them". Think it was from Siege 3# Point is right now you guys aren't acting like adults. Its all tit for tat shit now. What was the last post regarding star trek? About 1:30 and its now 3:24. Please, lets call it a day on the hatefest and get back to trek.
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Dude, hire me a good director. A proper director. A real director. I don't need a studio accountant directing my own movie. Fuckm, i do it myself. Unless David Fincher is interested. I mean, why not? He is making a movie about the guy who created facebook, for fuck's sake! He works in mysterious ways. Beside,s do you think that Jar Jar Abrams would direct himself in a scene where he would be eating living babies while getting fucked in the ass by Satan himself? I don't think so.
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"we said Galaxy, meaning the known galaxy, which spans the potential reach of large supernova"Learn astronomy from boborci at your own peril.
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if you want a different career.
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im afraid the directos shortlist was indeed just that, short. its either J.J, or Paul W S Anderson. the 3rd guy was Chris Nolan but he sensed a vanity project and bailed. ;)
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Losing arguments, you say? You're losing your mind. You no longer have any control over your persona anymore, it's all showing from the seams. You are losing it, dude. You are losing it. You made the mistake of taking it personally the insults aimed at Orci. You lost grip with reality, you mixed up your orci persona with your real self. Amateur loser!
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You only chose the worst, dude. And don't bullshit me on Nolan, you never called him. And really, WS Anderson or JJ? That's all you could get? You are fired!
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interesting twist to an already deranged character. Really, man, is ad hominem all you have left?
JackGraham - I'd buy that for a dollar -
Or How I Convinced The World I Have Talent And Stop Worrying.
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because when you hurt your head, things get mixed up. You'll tell me when I guess right, I hope. Did you try to save money on travel by mailing yourself in an airless crate?
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thats not fair, I asked so many other directors but Nimrod Antal, Michael Bay, McG and Pitof all turned it down. they claim you are difficult. I dont see that at all ;)
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... "I Can't Beleive I Got Away With It (By Making a Bad Star Trek movie)", lirics writen in collaboarion with Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Precluded by the musical numbers "Tom Cruise Stole My Thunder" and "I Sold My Soul To The Devil For A Chessy Movie".
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What he is, in fac,t is soembody who really fuckign hates Robert Orci so muich he decided to pull a stunt in which he inpersonates him in a online movie forum so that he make Orci look like a complete and total ass. You got to admire the audacity and the cunning involved. It's so devious, heartless and just plain evil. I love it!
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First, he pimps out "his" ride, the Enterprise with jazzy flames and a bouncy shocks. Then he gets into a fight with a Klingon and vows to destroy his whole planet! After that, he meets a hot young physicist named Carol and gets in on in her lab! While in bed, he hears the ghost voice of his father saying, "Jimmy, you punk. How did you get the rank of Captain just for being in the right place at the wrong time, while all I got was killed for my 20 years of Starfleet service!"
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I already passed on your generous offer. But you have each other to practice on! Enjoy!
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You can't hurt me with the Nimrod guy because i haven't seen PREDATORS yet (and i'm not sure if i want to, to tell you the truth). As for Pitof, obviously you never saw VIDOCQ, did you?
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So when it turns out to be me, will you therefore admit that your analysis of the situation was totally wrong. And that, therefore, all your analysis is suspect?
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Roberto...be nice...your letting your success with the retard demographic go to your head when you start attacking talkbackers. I miss that old "boborci" guy...not a good writer..but a pretty nice guy.
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and now that Kirk is the top dog in the 'Prise, Uhura will go all whore bitch on Kirk and forget Spock even exists.As for pimping the 'Prise, well, there's nothing Kirk could do to make the "A.S.S. Abramsprise" look any uglier then it already is. Pimping it would actually be the first case in history where a pimped vehicle would look better then how it originally was.
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that was a masterpiece in awfullness. regarding your project, i just received a call from James Cameron ........................ he doeant want to do it.
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"So when it turns out to be me, will you therefore admit that your analysis of the situation was totally wrong. And that, therefore, all your analysis is suspect?Wow!!! Just, wow!! Is that english? My excuse is that i'm portuguese, and english my second language. What's your excuse? You better not be the real Orci, man, you really better. Though it would explain the terribleness of his scripts and specially the dialogues. Wow!! American english language literacy down the drain right there!
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Called a talkback, right? How come I;m the only one who is not allowed to play?
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it's the only move you have left.
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VODOCQ is actually a pretty good movie. It's a sort of comic book movie set in 1850s France. There is this villain called The Alchimist who could be a proto-Batman is he was evil. And then there's Ines Sastre showing off her glorious titties. Blessed are the french, that evne intheir comic book movies for teens that TRULY SHOW female nudity of gorgeaus looking actresses.
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You can have the point and shove it.
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I'm glad that Cameron refused. He wold turn it all into an wholesome blue screen movie populated by people looking like very disturbing looking big cats! We got lucky.
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How i love to see you prove what i have been saying all along. Keep giving me arguments, man, keep it up. Keep making my case for me. Anybody who still believes in you are, effectively, morons. You totally lost it, clown.
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AsimovLives, really! i dont feel comfortable hearing you talk like that. stick to arguing. ugg i need to shower now ;)
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I got it: hire David Lynch. He's perfect. If not, then the other David, Cronenberg.
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Don't be a puritan. And really, you would like VIDOCQ. Besides, i never saw CATWOMAN. The writing was in the wall about that movie, so i never bothered with it.
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only because you are driving AsspickleLives' mind towards TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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no respectable director wants to go near the project for fear of beong black listed ;)
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AsimovLives Jul 21st, 2010
03:59:14 PM
"How i love to see you prove what i have been saying all along. Keep giving me arguments, man, keep it up. Keep making my case for me. " Your reverse psychology will not work on me. I cannot rest until we can find a way to help you recover, but we first have to KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?!? Did you stick yourself in the dryer because someone told you your clothes was wash and wear? -
im off to bed. catch you tommorow when we can finalise the deal on a director and maybe if we are lucky we'll find a distributor too, and an audience ;)
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Because Start Trek is always better with Space Hookers
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I will give ya that.
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lets at least get this fucker too 600...it is a boring day here.
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and AsspickleLives is a dink. meanwhile, I remain TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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Jul 21, 2010 4:18:17 PM CDT
arghh...Bob...the "Bend Over" comment...it ruin the illusion
by conspiracy
Roberto would never say that in a public forum...too crass...too vulgar. YOu have to learn moderation and restrain..like JettL had before he melted down.
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in this classy joint.
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Any chance one of your upcoming movies will be any good? Don't you have a Wild Wild West sequel coming out?
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there's a special place in my heart for asi
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This was a good battle of wits between two equally witless opponents.
In one corner AsimovLives who normally makes sense but goes all 28 DAYS rabid whenever TREK is mentioned.
In the other corner Boborci, who talked a good fight - but was a lower case 'b' away from being the same guy that posted here previously.
I think the winner has to be Asimov - simply because Orci's last post was 'OTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION'. Amateur. Get that fucking prick off the set. -
what's wrong with Bugs Bunny?
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Asi's really fallen apart in the last couple hours. Of course he doesn't see it that way. I'm sure to him it's like Randal's view of events from the Clerks cartoon, we're all Dantes wearing diapers and swinging cats, meanwhile he's in a ticker-tape parade on Broadway. Or maybe he's more like Ralphie in A Christmas Story, just imagines his perfect reality and can't quite separate from it when he has to or should. It's an amusing progression to watch, I'm sure there's a psych paper in there somewhere.
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But I can't wait for the press Junket to start up..thats the only time the real Roberto really shows up..when he is hawkling his wares like a street corner pimp hustling a fat HIV positive toothless whore to a unsuspecting desperate 35yr old virgin from Montana.
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You are just so boring.
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TB rocketed to the top of the charts
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Than wait three years for a movie.
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some guys like the hard hit of 211 or St. Ides; I'm more a Chimay.
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Reverse psychology, really? That's all you come up with, bobbyboy? Just give up, dude. Just, give up. You're gone.
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A year or two ago this fucker would have been well over 1000 posts by now...sadly many of the old crew have passed on to greener pastures.
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Jul 21, 2010 5:01:43 PM CDT
the 3rd Abrams' Trek will not be too different formthe first...
by asimovlives
... so why the fuck are they dicking around and wasting their time away? Do the fuckign thing already. All they need is to just repeat the same shit they did before, the people and the geekoids will lap it up, it's proven territory already. Just be done with it already, Abramsboy.
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Delusional thy name is spidercoz. Keep on believing you are the man, litle boy. Whatever helps you live through the day.
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How's that for a twist!!
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It's now over-run by idiots and loonies who believe themselves to be somebody else or totally lacking in self-awareness. This place is boring! Try tomorrow, hopefully the crowd is made of people of much better quality.
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...one of the most loved, heartfelt lines ever spoken in Star Trek was used as a cheap throwaway line in the new one. That attempt to try and suck up to the original fans made me actually scowl in the theatre and to use it like that was so heavyhanded and cynically calculated that it epitomized what was wrong with the whole movie. It had no heart.
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because the advances to medical science that will be made through curing you will help all of humanity. So stop being selfish and tell us the truth: Did you mistake some wax fruit for the real thing?
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What did he ever do to you? How could you question his judgement like that? Pick on me, but leave him out of it;)
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"It's now over-run by idiots and loonies who believe themselves to be somebody else or totally lacking in self-awareness." You finally said something true! Congrats!
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MINUS 4 WOBBLES OUT OF 4
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with Joseph Gordon Levitt a top consideration. They must be waiting for confirmation from the studio, woops, I mean, Latino Review.
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Guy goes to his local pub, takes a seat and talks to his buddy the bartender. Guy: Man, cant believe how wasted I got last night, Bartender:Yeah, you were really wasted when you left last nigt. Guy:So bad when I got home I blew chunks. Bartender:Sometimes when you drink too much, you throw up. No big deal. Guy:But chunks is the name of my dog.
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Menace-esque scene of a monster being attacked and eaten by a bigger monster? Thanks for such originality, Orcus and Colonel Kurtz.
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and Vampires to appeal to your crowd.
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"Tell you what I'll BLOW asi in real life if you do it. Hot tub time machine style. I'm willing to bet that much." How did I miss this offer? I gotta read slower. I don't have Harry's email, but if anyone else does, can you help asi and peanut have a good time?
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HEADGEEK@AICN.COM There you go, Orci, make it happen! And if it's possible, make it coincide with Conti's epic Comicon Thunderdome battle with that dried douche-residue, MJ_Corpse. Now I wish I was going to Comicon!
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getting sent back. Oh well. I guess Im not really who I think I am. Back to therapy. Thanks for the fun afternoon.
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...it's Harry@aintitcool.com Sorry I messed that up, I really think Asi needs that hummer.
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http://tinyurl.com/2eezfns
Its actually "all or most" but I couldn't fit all that in the subject post -
SPLOSIONS, FUCKED UP SHIPS, CARNAGE, CRAZY CAPTAINS. SHIT!!!NORMAN SPINRAD-HOW CAN THEY NOT DO THIS!!
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Is JJ directing? If not, get Nimoy to do it!!! Imagine his touch with JJ's big-budget production & you'd have one of the better Trek films ever made.
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...gets trolled by Boborci. Bow to your master you fucking humorless cock.
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Who cares if you weren't that into it. You watch Dawn of the Dead 100 times.
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...bad enough that 'engineering' ended up a 'Bud' factory, but the new 'Enterprise' is one fugly-looking bitch!Really, just because they re-set it in an 'alternative timeline', it surely doesn't mean that the 'Enterprise' couldn't STILL have ended up being designed to look somewhat more similar to the graceful designs of the original TOS series/movie versions!!!
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Just because the people at the TrekBBS would all have babies and die of rage.
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Ya right, the email didn't go through huh?
Fine, how about this...
Scratch under your eye three times during the comicon panel, I will be watching the comicon videos.
Has to be the left eye.
Doubt it will happen. I'm not gay, so trust me I don't want to blow Asi. However, I'm not really worried. Faker. -
backing out slowly.
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Perfect idea I have here...put a jar of Peanut Butter on the table at your comicon panel. That will be 100% proof! Do it coward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have some freelance graphics work to do not getting paid like 'orci' but have to get the bills payd ya know'? I await your response Orci.
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if he was the real orci that is. Fake orci dont make shit yo.
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at comicon orci.
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Jul 21, 2010 7:23:00 PM CDT
Star Trek XII: Mercifully Free of the Ravages of Intelligence
by coordinate_system
So, 2012 will bring a match-up between the Abrams/Kurtzman/Orci Axis of Idiocy and Chris Nolan and his next Batman film. I know who I'm betting on.
Not betting box office, mind you, as that is too dependent on the ignorant, fickle masses (Transformers 2: $402e6 US box office, as a sad example). Bats III will wipe the floor with Trek XII in terms of quality.
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I hope we get to see Pike turned into a mutant quadriplegic.
Bardem would make a great Khan! He even physically resembles Montalbahn, but it would just be too cheap and easy to go that route. Still, if it does go that way, could be fun. I would however at some point like to see the Next Generation kids mixed with the Deep Space 9 kids for fun and death or at least give TNG crew a proper send-off and spin Riker and his crew off into their own series after the Federation has collasped and all of Earth's enemies are waiting to take their turn to carve the galaxy into sections with the Klingons/Romulans and Cardassians at war with humans and each other to see who controls what is left of the now dead Federation. -
All u r gonna get is me scratching my eye 3 times with my middle finger. And that is IF you are lucky and I feel like substantiating your existence.
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I will make you a deal then:
I probably can't REALLY blow Asi as he lives in UK, but if you really do the 3 x scratch next year at Comicon (you will surely be there next year, no?) I will drive to San Diego (I live in vegas) and where a shirt that says "I blew Asimov" and I will let you punch me in the stomach as hard as you can. I will even bring a legal waiver that I can have a lawyer do up so that I can't sue you or anything. -
for clarification. You have to do the scratch thing this year.
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That BobOrci is gonna kick my ass at comicon next year? I better start doing some crunches.
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Jul 21, 2010 9:11:01 PM CDT
There should be a throwaway ref to the Prime timeline still exis
by tall_boy66
In the sequel, if only it'll shut the hell up all the superhardcore fans who say (with a bit of validity, to be fair) that time travel in Star Trek wipes out timelines and doesn't create spinoffs (see: Year of Hell, City on the Edge of Forever, First Contact). But I think it's very un-Trekkie to believe that in a universe of infinite possibilities that the Trek universe would be structured so rigidly that timelines would wink out of existence instead of spinning off. Oh, and as for the fellow a few posts above bagging on Enterprise, go watch "In A Mirror, Darkly" (and watch "Tholian Web" before and "Mirror, Mirror" afterwards for context). It roxs the soxs. The Borg episode of Enterprise was pretty good too, if only because it had sick music and the Borg were actually, y'know, a fairly credible threat that time around.
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you are too funny. I have no desire to punch you in the stomach. This is all in good fun. No need to fly anywhere to blow asi. Why give him the attention. 20 pushups will be good enough for me, and GOOD FOR YOU!
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I would appreciate an in-canon spin-off of any media of Gaila making her way out of Orion society to Starfleet using her considerable skills. That and the world needs more Green Half Naked Rachel Nichols in it. She better not be dead or I'll be displeased.
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Well, obviously, I meant that Gaila, who was so ably played by the lovely Rachel Nichols, I meant that Gaila better still be alive or I'll be most displeased with her lack of progress (in the sequel script).
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You are supposed to be banned.
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To complete the romulan arc started in Nemesis, CMON while Patrick Stewart still looks relatively like he has in the past 20 years.
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Jul 21, 2010 9:46:56 PM CDT
The Romulan arc got pretty definitively wrapped up in ST09
by tall_boy66
Their planet blew up and one miner was really pissed. For further information read Countdown and/or The Needs of the Many Star Trek Online book. Basically, the Rommies are really, really, really mad. As usual.
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Which basically consists of a few shots, one of which is Romulus being blown to fucking bits, which takes place post Nemesis.
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and also Nemesis, which i havent seen either...
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Torrents are your friend, just give it a search on isohunt for star trek countdown. Boborci, forget I just said that.
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Jul 21, 2010 10:20:14 PM CDT
you don't NEED to read the comic, it's strictly for trek geeks
by tall_boy66
It's not as if you'd be fucking lost watching the movie, but the countdown comic is total continuity porn that bridges the end of Nemesis/ basically the TNG era. It's for the hardcore fans who would want to seek it out. I got a huge kick out of it because of all the sweet in-continuity references.
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who are easily amused and/or eager to cover up the failings of the movie.
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Y'know, it's a story that's set in Star Trek universe that uses characters that would have been impossible to pull off on a live-action budget. Like all spin off materiel, its for these wacky people called fans. But if you want to be a killjoy douchebag who doesn't enjoy anything except fapping to Inception, hey, go nuts.
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Obviously that means it's without merit because, GASP, it's an ancillary materiel. For people who want to read it because it tells a longer storyline that is a subset to the film proper. The horror! They're creating a side story! How dare them!!!
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for over 35 years.
To be sure, there has been a lot of badly written Trek (Trek V, Enterprise seasons 1-3, a lot of Voyager, etc), but a lot a really good Trek, also.
Trek XI, if not presented as a Trek movie, would be just another witless summer action movie. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
But Trek is more than just that, isn't it? But perhaps you don't understand that.
Funny, you should mention Inception, as I would really like to see a Trek movie made by Nolan.
Lastly, it is not killjoy douchbaggery (ha ha, at least think up an original insult) to have high intellectual or cinematic standards. Neither of which were met by Trek XI. -
Because you've actually used the term "high intellectual or cinematic standards". And you used it seriously. Like you genuinely, deep down think that you are on a higher pedestal than other people. Which is pretty much the definition of killjoy douchebagery. I could use the term pretentious wackjob if that's more to your liking? You could use a paragraph break to make your point stand out more, too! Those always work! See?
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You actually have no clue what you're talking about, and basically just putting on a pedestal the Manny Coto season 4. For someone who has such self described high intellectual standards, you would assume you would actually delve into the subject that you're decrying instead of just painting over with a giant brush. But the problem is you actually don't know anything about what you're talking about, and using a sweeping generalization. which really doesn't smack of high intellectual standards. Of which you pride yourself on.Or you could just use a paragraph break! Doesn't it make the point just STAND out?
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I kind of liked the first one, but it certainly had some flaws, from a Trek standpoint and simply as a film. Sad state of affairs that a movie as average as that Trek was actually seems quite good by comparison to most of what we are getting handed at the movies these days. It would be nice to think they will learn from their mistakes and make the sequel a better film. IT needs to have better plotting and a better villain, and hey guys... it's ok to not have a new action scene every few minutes. Save the big action for when the story demands it.
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Why don't you presentyou're arguments as to why Trek XI is a good movie. I will read them and respond to them either this evening or tomorrow afternoon, after work.
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Jul 21, 2010 10:59:25 PM CDT
Lemmie guess, everything Brannon Braga wrote is AWFUL, right?
by tall_boy66
his script for Frame of Mind? AWFUL! his co-writing on All Good Things and First Contact? AWFUL! Pilot episode of Enterprise Broken Bow or Shuttlecraft One from S1 of Enterprise? AWFUL!Here, I'll make the point in a new paragraph since you think it actually makes it somehow more valid: You don't know anything about the subject you are currently decrying. Which does not jive with having self-described high intellectual standards.You have to actually know something about a subject before you wash over the whole thing, skipppy.
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A few things I did like.. the first film took the time to have a few character scenes, something a lot of movies today don't. I actually did like the score, though we so rarely get truly great ones anymore. I think the first Trek was "Close" to being really good, as it stands it was just a "fun" movie. But the way I look at it, at least it was that!
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There are many different outside sources that one can pull in that said Star Trek was a solid edition to the Star Trek franchise, however, once again, the killjoy douchebaggery inherent in all of your posts would come up with basically a strawman argument for every single point (google it, if it's up to your own self described high intellectual standards) Life is too short for that. Let's just make it simpler by going back to the indefensible position of killjoy doucehbagery, k sunshine?
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I have a degree in Physics. I help build Satellites for a living (56 of them to date. All built with pride). I think that it is safe to say that I am above the median in terms of intelligence.
But as I said, please present you're arguments as to why Trek XI is a well made movie. I will give them every consideration.
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Jul 21, 2010 11:49:50 PM CDT
Star Trek II - The Electric Boogaloo
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
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Maybe? Just a thought.
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S3 and S4 > S1 and S2.
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Really enjoyed the first one and looking at consensus websites like Rotten Tomatoes with a 94% fresh average rating of 8.1, Top critics at 93% and average rating at 7.8 , the only people really that didn't think it was a critical consnsus are some of the people on this website.
Commercially though not great for Paramount, it was a Star Trek that was much more accessable to the non-geeks but didn't get enough in Box Office. It didn't fail but at $385m worldwide gross, assuming a 50% take for the studios and a production budget of $150 (excluding marketing) looks like it broke around even.
Probably my biggest criticism of it, is I don't see where they spent $150m, $80-$100m I get
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Nero's backstory is practically non-existent without it. Also, a lot of people love TNG, not just Star Trek geeks, so it would've been epic to have seen that shit on film. Star Trek has never been just for nerds... it's always been a part of pop culture. Good luck finding someone who doesn't know who Captain Picard is. Audiences that grew up on TNG would have loved to see the crew get a proper send off.
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Jul 22, 2010 12:35:02 AM CDT
Also, First Contact was great because of Ronald Moore
by mattmanreturns
Not Braga.
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...where are the angels and the scenes where they give up all technology?
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A lot of other Trek fans that I have spoken to, didn't care for it either.
But there is a difference between liking a movie, and saying that movie is well made. For example, it is possible to have enjoyed "Crank" or "Armageddon", but still realize that they don't stand up to much scrutiny. I believe the term "guilty pleasure" applies here.
One should not assume that one's taste for such things necessarily denotes an inherent quality of said things.
I saw "Crank" in the theaters, and enjoyed it. But I have no illusions about its overall quality.
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Moore worked on a little show called "Star Trek: The Next Generation", right?
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He also worked more heavily on DS9, which had a huge influence on BSG. Still, on all that he wasn't in charge.
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People praise DS9 a lot, but the first three seasons are nearly unwatchable.
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it turns women off to sex for weeks.
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And DS9 is my favorite Star Trek.
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Dude, i'm insulted. I challenge you for a duel. I give you the choice of weapons: M-60 machineguns or rocket launchers. Agree?
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Youknow, i think that if you need to know more of a film character and backstory by reading a comic, then the movie failed. Because movies should be self-sifficient in that regard. By saying "but you ned to read the comic to actually get some dimention to a character", that's a storytelling failure right there. No movie should need that type of clutch. Also, this is true for INCEPTION as well. There's talk of a comic that tells some backstory stuff for the movie. I tell you, if i'm not satisfied with how the characterization i see form the movie, then the hell with the clutch comic. If the movie can't work it out, thenit's a failure, no matter how much paralel ancilliary stuff there is to fill holes and gaps. That JJ Trek needed a comic to "explain" their villain is alrady an admission of failure, and an oportunistic way to extract more cash from an unsuspecting public.For example, i did watched WRATH OF KAHN for thefirst time almost 15 years before i finally watched the episode SPACE SEED. And you know what, the story still made a lot of sense. I ddin't need to know the Space Seed story to udnerstand what was going on in WOK and i understood the Kahn character perfectly. That's proper good storytelling. That's proper storytelling. That's what a talented storyteller can achieve. Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams couldn't with their movie. "Need to read the comic to fully understand". that's bad storytelling skills right there. They couldn't flag it more obviously if they were shooting flares inside a room, if youknow what i mean.
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Jul 22, 2010 5:09:09 AM CDT
It's an easy tactic to dismiss my posts are rumblings of a mad m
by asimovlives
It's the typical creationist tactic, to turn attention from what's being said, so not to have to deal with argumentation, by going for lame personal attacks. It's a veryu old ofuscation tactic which people should already been too savvy for that and yet still fall for it. It's sad to see that such crass tactics still work.Hey, it's just an angry guy talking,who cares what he really says, hem? Just say "he's an angry trekkie", and that seals the deal. No need to think. It reminds me of the thme when Bush sold the the country the idea that war to Iraq was justifiable because there was WMD, whenin fact all pointed to the fact there were none. And if you dared disagree with Bush, you were an unpatriot and friend to terrorists. The sdame basic tactic used, time and again. Dont' go for the argument, it's too much work, just say some unfounded personal attack shit that stirs emotions and be done with it. That such tactis still work in this day and age is truly sad.
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... but if that series is as good as the opening theme song, then it must be one very terrible show!Realy who was the genious who though that shitty power rock song would be a good way to make for a ST opening? And right after the magnificent opening theme that Jerry Goldsmith had done for STAR TREK: VOYAGER? People can complain all they want about VOYAGER, from the very few i saw of it all criticisms seem valid and true, but that show had a great opening theme. Wasn't Goldsmith still alive when ENTERPRISE was first aired? Really, what he hell!
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From my experience, the people who support and are fans of JJ Trek can't offer a truly solid argument for why they think the movie is good. All their offer is very personal "arguments", like "i liked it". It's all just in the realm of "guilty pleasure" or borderline solypsistic argumentation,all based on mere personal likings. When ot tha,t it's just this quite pun phrases, with in close scrutiny means nothing. All they cna offer is just repetitions of the movie's marketing department slogans and "because i like it". None can offer anythign deeper.Now, one can resent if their feel they are being personally insulted if soembody else is telling them a movie they liked is bad. Where they lose all reaso is if they can't offer any substantial reason to support their acessement of quality to a film which, by all indications, hasn't. I have noticed that m,any of those who like this movie resent having to explain or offer arguments to defend the movie. They really resent that. And their most common tactic it to turn on you. If you expect some substance and intelligence from a movie, then you are labelled pretentious or an art-house snob. They will go for those knee-bitting tactics. The thing is, one can offer slots and lots of reasons to why the movie is bad, and none cna be offered for why it's good, other then just a personal liking. Truly, many people have a severe difficult in understandign the differenc ebetween a guilty pleasure about a dumb movie and the concept of what a trulty good quality movie is. they think that merely by liking it that suffices. I just don't understand this type of mentality at all.
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I agree with you, i also don't see where they spent 150 million dollars on JJ Trek. i don't see the money there, onscreen. Where is it? They didn't hired top of the line movie stars, so the money didn't went to pay big star salaries. It didn't went for sets because they cut corners left and right, they shot half the movie in already existing buldings, and in refineries and brewries. And i don't think that the special effects inthe mvoie do merit so much money to be achieved. What i saw onscreen is a movie that could had cost half that money, i see nothign mroe then, at best, a 75 million dollars movie. So, where is the rest?My theory? Most of the money is not onscreen, but it was used to rush production. When holylwood wants to make a movie in a hurry and face lots of production problems becaus eof that, they throw money at the problem. The mvoie then gets the budget inflated to solve problems which you don't see the imediate results onscreen. It's all backstage stuff. Also, part of that money to solve problems thing was used to cover Abrams's directing problems. for all his experience in making Tv shows, Abrams is not good at making cinematic movies, and all his weakness have to be covered up by throw money and more money. TV directors being put in charge of bg movie productions they make look cheapper then they should because they do not have a cinematic eye and sensebility. Notiuce the lack of a sens eof scale in Abrams's movie, even when she shows such things as planets blowing up and big ass ships. Compare and contrast with what Robert Wise did in STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE where he mannaged to make the movie look epic from start to finish. Wise was a cinema director, he had an eye and sensebility to deliver epic looking movies, as testified by not only his Trek movie but also by others such as THE SAND PEBBLES. Hell, evne a very newbie director like Meyers mannagfed to infuse an epic scale to his movie, and he made it with peanuts money. Abrams could never pull off a movie if he had to work with the type of money that Meyers had to with WRATH OF KAHN. He just couldn't. JJ TREK is a classic text book case of a movie where the money is not onscreen. It must had been a very wasteful production. The movie could had been so much more economical sucessful if it had been directed by somebody with real film experience who actually knows what he is doing when making a film for cinema. The story would also had turned out a bit better too, for sure.
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was certainly not "power rock", just shitty pop rock. Secondly, the show actually got kinda good in its fourth season, it took them that long to figure the show out and have fun with it similar to TOS. If you ever check it out I only recommend the fourth season. Plus as a bonus the female Vulcan is super hot if that helps....
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150 mil went on trek, it simply did not look like a 150 mil film to my laymen eyes. I was actually suprised how small scale it was for the biggest budget trek ever. Anyway...you are also right about Treks bo, it made over 70% of its bo in North America (where its best known), but was mostly just a blip internationally. Here in Korea Trek isnt known at all, in fact it was called Star Trek:the begining, as for most Koreans it was the first trek they had ever heard of. Same for Japan and China for that matter. Trek just simply does nt have the juice so to speak internationally. And having lived in Asia for a number of years now I can tell you Trek will always struggle here because they like stuff like the Matrix, Avatar etc..that have strong anime influences and feels in terms of concepts and designs etc....I think is a little too 1960's Cold war for them imho.
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I agree its nowhere as iconic as TOS, but it certainly had a lot of strong points (Q, the Borg, the Klingon civil war, Stwart's Picard etc..) and it certainly forged its own identity. That being said, I find DS9 to be the best of the modern Treks, and the one that most closely captures the spirit of TOS, while being very different imho...
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are such cool villains, and Stewart gets to overact, but fair enough it feels rather "tv". But yeah the other TNG films were nt very good were they?
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but I would love to see them introduce the Borg into the TOS timeline for the new films. I just think it could be really interesting. So long as they remember to make the Borg scary, and not totally defang them ala Voyager (holy shit did that Trek series suck)
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Star Trek then you really should check out Deep Space Nine. It is often dark, has long running storylines, and featured a long epic war, while dealing with many aspects of war rather intelligently imho....And it has great characters too.
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My biggest beef with New Trek was the way-over-the-top goofy shit like swollen Kirk & flushing Scotty. TOS was cheesy, but those two scenes were so jarringly bad that they snapped me out of the movie. Other than that and a generally weak villain, I thought by the end it had come together pretty well as a setup for the next one. If they will just keep it to minimal light humor and focus more on the mission I think most of original Trek fans would be alot happier. But the goofy Transformers-style bullshit has to end, else we'll have Kirk taking a piss on Sulu.
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Jul 22, 2010 6:40:24 AM CDT
Enterprise intro was fucked up worse than BSG + firefly
by dioxholsterreturns
show sucked too
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You know I never watched much DS9 or any other series after the bad taste that TNG left in me. I agree Stewart was always good, but between Frakes, Wesley and the endless retreads and boring stories I just couldn't stand it anymore. The few episodes that I enjoyed were too few and far between. The Klingon civil was was good, as was the Borg and Q. It had it's moments, just not nearly enough for me to live up to the Trek name.I can name a few episodes off the top of my head that were good....Just about anything with Q, "Yesterdays Enterprise", "Descent", "Best Of Both Worlds", "The Inner Light"....that's all I got right now.....that's what i mean, if all that stands out in my mind is those few episodes out of 7 seasons...not good.
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"It's the typical creationist tactic, to turn attention from what's being said, so not to have to deal with argumentation, by going for lame personal attacks."
yeah you should know, you specialize in that
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ise you , yu wont be dissapointed (im saying this to you as a fellow fan who was never in love with TNG either). And I promise its very different to TNG, and the closest in spirit to TOS. Plus it does things no other trek series ever did. If you are a trek fan Rouge, at least check it out.
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Ok I did see the Trials and Tribbleations episode of DS9 now that I think about it, very well done. If that is indicative of DS9's quality then I have hope. Will check it out on your recommendation dude.
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and I gaurantee you it is indeed indicative of the shows qaulity. I must warn you though that it only got really good in the third season (7 in total), and never looked back imho. But then slow starts have been the hallmark of the modern trek shows. I am sure you will dig it, there is no way you wont like the Dominion war. The only sustained epic war ever portrayed in Trek. And you can absolutely add the Dominion to the list of great Trek villains alongside the Borg, the Klingons, and Khan imho....
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How about "The Measure of a Man", "Time Squared", "The Enemy", "The Defector", "The Offspring", "Sins of the Father", "Sarek", "Data's Day", "The Nth Degree", "The Mind's Eye", "Redemption", "Darmok", "Silicon Avatar", "Unification", "Cause and Effect", "I, Borg", "Time's Arrow", "Schisms", "A Fistful of Datas", "The Quality of Life", "Chain of Command", "Face of the Enemy", "The Chase", "Timescape", "Gambit", "Phantasms", "Thine Own Self", "Masks", "Genesis", "Emergence"? Plus as a TOS fan, you should appreciate seasons 1 and 2, they're entirely TOS.
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I will take your word on it my friend, and will check it out when I get the chance, thanks for the info.....trying to stay cool here it is just brutal, my fucking landlord makes me turn off my ac during the day and turn it on later afternoon, yea that cools the house of by the time morning rolls around and I gotta turn it off....grrrrrr
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Yea I watched seasons 1 & 2 and was they were ok but only because they were ripping off TOS, as far as the episodes you listed, none of them ring a bell except I Borg and that was a good episode, Chain Of Command rings a bell but I don't remember it to be honest with you.See what I mean? Almost nothing about that show was very memorable for me. Doesn't say much for the show does it? Maybe someday if there is truly nothing else for me to do, I may go back and rewatch some of the episodes, but I will really need to be desperate.If I want good Trek i'll just watch TOS and movies 2,3,4,6...hell even 5 is watchable as bad as it is. Aside from First Contact the NG movies were dreck.Hey if you like it bro, more power to you, I just found it to be very poor Trek for most of it's existence.
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its so fucking hot and humid here too. Luckily I can use it as much as I want. Anyway, its late here in Korea and I need to get some slepp. Its been good as always Rouge. See you around buddy..
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g'night bro, a pleasure as well, talk to ya soon bro.
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Um, s1&2 aren't ripoffs of TOS, Roddenberry was still showrunner at that point, you can't rip off yourself. But I definitely think you should give it another go at some point. It's different, to be sure, but it's still Star Trek. And remember, if not for TNG and it's massive popularity, Star Trek would have died with movie 5. But I'm biased, TNG started when I was 9 and ended when I was 16. It helped me through the worst parts of adolescence.
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I hear ya, I was already an adult when TNG came out so yea I'm partial to TOS, but one day i'll give TNG another look....maybe not the whole series, but will scope out some select episodes, just so I can say I gave it a chance. Thanks for the episode recommends.
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Feringi or whateverthefucktheyarecalled.With the exception of The Borg, this series had the shittiest villians/aliens.never thought the fucking Gorn would be so cool when compared to the wacky world of the Feringis.
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but nowhere as good.
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Agreed, the Borg were awesome, and even though I barely know the Cardassians they seemed ok, but the Ferengi? Dumb, really dumb. And they say Lucas is terrible with aliens, TNG cornered the market on bad aliens. Everything in the Cantina in Star Wars is better than every alien (except the Borg) in all of NG.
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They are old enemies.... and i wouldn't even call those lame asses enemies, that would giving them too much credence, too much respect they neither deserve nor earned. They are all banal like fuck.
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Now that's a film. a proper film. And anybody who is at least not happy with a lot of what's in the movie, they should just give away their movie geek card and find another hobby, because movies is not for them. Can't wait to watch it again, and i'm certain i'll like it even more.
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that would mean an original cast member in ONE MORE movie where they don't have business being. I mean, I appreciate a good cameo, but holy fuck! (I am not saying you were being 100% serious (why so?) but it gave me an in to bitch. Woooo!
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But did you like it? HA HA HA HA
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But at least he was just a bartender, where the Ferengi belong, serving everyone else, all they are good for.
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They're like a cautionary example of what happens when you let capitalism do whatever the fuck it wants. And Quark is great. The interplay between him and Odo are some of the best moments in all of DS9.
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For pretending to be good Star Trek...it barely held its own with Roddenberry at the helm but was kinda watchable, but when he was no longer there, it went to shit and never looked back. No amount of good acting (Stewart and to a degree, Spiner) can cover the fact that it was STINO (he he he). Like I said to spider earlier, I will give it another look at some point but for the time being, this is my opinion on st:the next de-generation.
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on TNG box-sets at Amazon. Now's your chance! "Something's wrong, Rogue has switched off his talkback computer. Rogue, what's wrong!" Heh, I have no clue about TNG box-sets.
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I wont be wasting my money on TNG, if I watch them it will be on reruns or I'll download them...if I don't have anything better to burn on my blank dvd's that is...lol
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Eta boy! i'll definatly watch INCEPTION a second time, and soemthing tells me that i'll like it even more. It's very usual for me with nolan's movies.
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It would be a riot having some TB'er representation at those fucking panels; fuck knows that the typical guy attending will be too busy licking Robertos Salsa stained taint to be the least bit critical or funny.
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understand that Prestige is (all things being equal) just as awesome the second time. I mean, I sat there and, knowing the ending, was able to see how Nolan layered it so perfectly. He didn't "cheat" at all, and just like Inception, it's not a "one-twist pony", which makes Nolan's stuff just fun. Well, for me.
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just balancing out all the inexplicable anti-tng sentiment ;)
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if you are bored with episode, you might catch an INCEPTION ad to keep you interested. Boo-yah! Or those Old Spice dealies.
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I have seen THE PRESTIGE 3 times already, and it gets better and more satisfying with each viewing.
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... anybody who completly dislikes or has serious problems with INCEPTION should try crochet instead, becasue movies is not their deal. INCEPTIOn is one of those movies that are godsends for movie geeks. Or the public in general for that matter. I came out of the theater full of happy smiling faces.
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Yea they show it on syfy and bbc america channels where i am, maybe elsewhere, dont pay enough attention to really know for sure lol. Too busy watching Discovery or the Travel channel.
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continues. I will be waiting for that eye scratch Bob Orci, durin teh panel.
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But in the north everyone is forced to watch it. (I don't really have a hatred, but it's fun to go on.)
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... you have to suffer through 3 seasons of banality and misjudgements. no thanks!
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It's like they're flying a Belk department store or something.
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Actually seasons 1 & 2 are tolerable, but then, IMO, it goes downhill without Roddenberry at the helm. The good episodes (and there definitely are some) are too few and far between for me. I may revisit some of them in the future, but the series left a real foul taste in my mouth. Oh and have I already said it....Frakes is a terrible actor, and Wesley Crusher is the single most annoying character ever made, I wanna pancake his face with an iron whenever he is on screen.
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Oh man. Asi, your opinion on all things Star Trek is hereby rendered absolutely moot. Sorry, ol' buddy ol' pal, but that's the objective truth.
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having grown up with it..it holds a big place in my heart..even wesley!
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Dreck? I declare FACEPALM on this nonsense.
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it reminds me of when i was younger..before the dark times..before the empire.
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that's nothing new. But you can blame Gene directly for his existence. He wanted to put himself into the show. Wesley was even Gene's middle name.
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YE GUILTY
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...Galaxy Quest. By Grabthar's Hammer!
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Jul 22, 2010 2:53:16 PM CDT
Galaxy Quest was seriously awesome
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Just about the best sci-fi adventure satire I have ever seen. Only thing that comes close is Starship Troopers.
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Jul 22, 2010 2:55:27 PM CDT
Anyone notice that Uhura and Kirk fuck anything that moves?
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Not sayin that's a bad thing - just sayin
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Jul 22, 2010 2:56:24 PM CDT
Hey...Why isn't Harry or another AICN Mod on Orci's panel?
by conspiracy
"MAsters of the Web" hosted by Roberto...they have that tit suck from CHUD on the Panel and the Latino Review guys...but no AICN?Did our incessant reaming of Bob, Alex and JJ get you guys disinvited or what?
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I hear that BobbyO JJ and Alex love "incessant reaming " - so I doubt that is the reason for no AICN
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Surely you jest
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Unless you don't like massive juicy Greek/English tits.
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Jul 22, 2010 3:01:36 PM CDT
Tim Allen sucked...Sigourneys brestises
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Galaxy Quest rules!
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I thought I smelled a troll. Go back to your pedal back - with whatever name you use there. You fuck with me again, I will follow you home (to the pedal back that is) and shit all over you and the place. Live and let live -unless you fuck with me. Yeah that was a courtesy warning shot. I have left all of you unemployed, 24/7 posting, anal retentive, thin skinned, incestuous, pathetic, cellar dwelling, pasty faced, dog kissing assholes alone - so move on child(sixes?) before you annoy me.
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I feel. I FEEL. I FEEL aroused! *jabs crotch*
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Jul 22, 2010 3:16:54 PM CDT
Hey...wasn't Rodenberry doing both Nurse Chappel and Uhura?
by conspiracy
I wonder if old Gene watched Marjel and Nichelle make a Vanilla and Hot Fudge Sunday?
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and i walk right into shitthis is the reason why i dont talk walks outside..just wanted to talk TNG..
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fuck him..
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the best sci fi show in the last thirty years..
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Did you ever finish your epic series of lurid tales about Megan Fox and Michael Bay? That shit made me laugh for days. I'd love to see more.
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Jul 22, 2010 3:32:46 PM CDT
Colonel...I have started to pick it up again..now that Bayformer
by conspiracy
I posted a short one a few days ago in a TF3 TB...I write them as they pop up here..nevber planned..just whatever pops in my head.
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Thanks for the head's up, though, conspiracy.
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cause they both suck..
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Fuck you, Riker!
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I think that Abram's Trek movie is a whole movie populated by Wesley Crushers, specially the Nu Kirk. Imagine how that makes me feel.
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You shouldn't project to foreigners what you nerdo-boys do, act and live in ol' USA.
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Nolan is a great fucking director. (Now, you take Abrams.) Shit, I have to go see INCEPTION again. We'll continue this later. Peace out!
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No fancy CGI (or even network TV CGI) can trump the damn Beastmaster.
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Recebntly i rewatched BIG TROUBLE IN LITLE CHINA (in portuguese the movie's ttile is JACK BURTON IN THE MANDATIN'S TALONS - it means he's at the mandarin's mercy), and only then i ralsied where your nick cames from. i'm ashamed to admit it took me so long to figure that out. And that means i gained a new respect for you, to add to the one i already had. Good nick choice, man. You are friend for life. And yeah, i saw the movie in the theater back in the day, think about it.
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"What happened to the director of Batman begins?"He's getting better and better.
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Right back at cha. miss ya you don't come around anymore. Keep fighting the good
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Only a serious nerdo-boy loser would think INCEPTION boring. That mvoies throws more pure cinematic awesomesness per minute, both in adventure and ideas, then the whole combined careers of the AICN geekoid's favorite hacks like Jar Jar Abrams, Mickey Bay and their imitators.
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but I do seriously question his choice in writers; I thinks his favoritism towards Alex and Roberto will actually hurt his career long term...they just have never written anything other than populist, base crap. Even then..I don't HATE them..I just think they are lazy writers and should bring out their "A" game..even if the boxoffice says they don't need to.
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You should try crochet instead of movies.
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You should try crochet because obviously you have no sensebility for movies. Pissing on the good movies and filmmakers awhile praising the bad ones? Try crochet instead, man, movies are not an hobby for you.
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since 1967? 43, right. I have been watching "Star Trek" roughly twice as long as most of you have been alive. So bow down before me!
The movie was "fun." That's the most I can say about it. Moments were entertaining. At others times, far too many, I cringed - the convenient encounters with Spock and Scotty, the fake illness that keeps Kirk on the ship, the "comedy" of the giant water pipes, Spock being forced to recuse himself from the chain of command. Especially cringeworthy was the ending, with a cadet who hasn't even graduated the academy being given a starship. A 25-year-old who's never even served on a Federation vessel is rewarded with the ship of the fleet. The idea rang in my head like a cracked bell. It was immensely stupid. Yes, the movie was "fun," but far more awful.
However, I can appreciate it as a piece of brain-dead, soul-sucking entertainment a step up from "Transformers." Unlike Asimov, I am a reasonable man and know that the movie is not good "Trek" but neither worse than, say, "Nemesis." -
"Unlike Asimov, I am a reasonable man"Oh wow!!! We have none other then Buddha here! How are you, Mr Buddha? Doing fine? how nice of you to have come down to earth and spread your middle road wisdom.One thing i agree with you, considering that Abram's Trek movie, the word fun to ple ablie to it has to be writen inbetween inverted commas, becaule only an extremely liberal interpretation of the definition of fun can one use it for the movie without sounding like one is corrupting the meaning of the word beyond all possible recognition. And fun is the last thing that comes to my mind when i think of that movie. Depression, numbness, disgust, distrust, betrayal and disapointment on my fellow man are far more accurate descriptions.
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You gotta know what a crumpet is to play cricket!
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"Homey"? Really?
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And you know why Nemesis is a better movie then JJ's Trek? Becasue it only rip off wrath Of Kahn, instead of JJTrek which rip off Star Wars, WOK and Top Gun. for that alone, Nemesis is already ahead. And that movie was bad! I asosee you went for the kool-aid strategy of using a TNG's movie to compare to JJ's Trek. Funny that whenever the JJ'Trek appologists try to make a case, they always bring a THE NEXT GENERATION movie for comparison, but never a TOS mvoie or Tv show episode. Which would make sense, since JJ's Trek is a reboot of TOS. I wonder why they fear and dread such comparisons. I wonder why! Oh, because they would be on the loser end of the stick, wouldn't they? Typical salesman strategy, to compare your bad product to one that is already badly hated beyond redemption and using and manipulating those emotions to sell snake oil. Why people keep on fall for this cheap tricks so easily? For the sake of what? Enjoying a bad movie? Are people that desperate?
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about Trek? How about you just accept that some people liked JJ's trek like a fucking adult, and get over it. Im sorry Asimov, but you have been beating the same dead horse for how long now? Please stop. I did nt love JJ's trek, either, but I also dont care if others really dug it. Asimov. im saying this as someone that has liked you and had many good conversations with you, you are starting to make yourself look like a dogmatic, over-zealous, and frankly arrogant (insulting people just because they like a film you hate) fanboy. This behaviour does not become you Asimov, you are better than this. So just please stop obsessing over JJ's trek...
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Stare trek fan, but by your own admission you are not. So why do you care this much, JJ is just one in a long line of directors to do trek, and there will be many more after him. Dude use your energy to talk about the things you love (nolans' films), and dont waste your time and energy with stuff like this that you obviously dont like.
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is that he has a cold tone/style/mood in his movies whatever his own personality projects onto it. no heart which cannot make up no matter how many razorsharp scripts/actors/productions he handles in there. seriously i watched the commercial and everyone seemed like theyd sign up for the SS if they lived in 30s germany.
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is not better than J J Trek.
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like when i'm doing something else and i'll hear them talking about something and go "Picard sounds humble and that did make me think hmmm" before tuning out from their yapping again.
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Did you guys noticed that in INCEPTION Cobb's kids didn't aged at all since he went on the lam? Isn't that, well, peculiar? Strange detail, don't you think?
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I already explained it to you many times before: as storytelling and filmmaking, the movie is an abomination, a complete abomination. Of the kind i have never seen before outside of a Mickey Bay movie. I used to think that only Bay was capable of such retardness, but i was wrong, dead wrong. That alone suffices. And this talkback is dead perfect for this subject. So there.
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.... one of the co-writers of ARMAGEDDON. In hindsight, i shouldn't had been that suprised how it turned out so shitty.
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... and a very stupid Superman script that nobody was stupid enough to turn into a film, cames a Star Trek movie you will never forget... for the wrong reasons!
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... for our sins.
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God, I wish you could hear yourself. Exactly! You have expalined it many times, to everybody. We all know that you hate it, and why you hate it. Thats the fucking point Asimov. And have you ever changed anybodies mind? No..because no-one, I repeat NO-ONE here changes their mind about any film based on what anybody else says in these talkbacks. So what exactly is the point of you constantly telling us the same thing again and again? Im just seriously asking Asimov, because I get the dumb as shit trolls that spam the talkbacks repeating themselves ad naseum, but you are an intelligent, articulate guy with some very interesting insight into films. So I just dont get why you waste your time with this shit.
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Asimov I would nt bother asking you these questions. Its precisely because I respect you and your opinions (even if I dont always agree with them) that Im just getting bummed out watching you do this...
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wanna talk Star Trek as a whole? Lets do it. You wanna talk about Norse Mythology, lets do it. You wanna talk about Nolan's films? Lets do it Asimov. Lets talk about something we re passionate about and actually like. Lets have some interesting conversation and stop wasting our time talking about a film you hate and that im indiffrent to...
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t-u-r-t-l-e power
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Well said...I like and respect Asimov as well, he knows that, we have had many good discussions, but you are spot on....why waste time...I repeat WASTE time talking about something you hate when time is much better spent discussing films you love.Talking about a movie you hate so so much will not.....Change peoples minds about it......Prevent more of the same from being made (if it was indeed a hit).....Turn back time and prevent the movie from being made.....Bottom line is IT WONT CHANGE ANYTHING. So why bother? You can say "Bad movies need to be discussed" but not everyone thinks it's a bad movie, and arguing with people over it is not going to change anything, so it is a pointless, useless totally insignificant argument and serves no purpose except to have the same opinions and arguments repeated over and over and over and over.SAG is right, Asimov can be very insightful on films and has intelligent things to say, but seriously, it's tired.I realize that SAG and I are not going to stop anything by saying all of this, but come on, let's talk about movies we love and stop arguing about a movie that has many different opinions on it.....of which not one single opinion is the definitive one.Useless rant over.
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g tired, can hardly get much sleep in this insane heat. The only good thing about it is all the korean hotties wearing very short and tight outfits lol...
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what are your thoughts?
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Have not seen Kick Ass yet, am going to watch it tomorrow night actually, so I will happily discuss it with you after that :)Wanted to know dude, are you on Facebook at all?
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Some one got the ref..
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to be honest I never use it, because I keep getting contacted by people I have never met. Complete and utter strangers. So I guess my account is still there, I just have nt used it in a while...
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you have seen it.
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you have seen it.
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ick films?
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a dent at the box office. No Incpetion 2, I guess.
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60 mil in its opening weekend? I thought that was pretty good. Did it drop heavily or something?
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mil so far. Good, but I bet they expected a lot more.
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I have to agree with you: Trek XI's fans seem to be rather reluctant to discuss its merits (or lack thereof) or offer any cogent arguments to support their position(s). But, rather, prefer to offer only insults. When the name-calling starts, it suggests to me that they are short on ammo to begin with, and fight is more than halfway over.
I am disinclined to take the advice of some others on this TalkBack, and "give it a rest", I intend to continue the Good Fight, and defend Trek. The way I see it, I've been a fan before the "Dark Times" and after Abrams, et. al. have moved on, I will still be a Star Trek fan. -
It's merits? How about that it was a great action movie that was more Trek than the last three series? And it had great acting in it, and the fact it was success with the critics as well as fans. Well, normal fans anyway.
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"great action movie that was more Trek than the last three series"
Prove this statement.
"it had great acting in it"
I have nothing against the actors, their characters (particularly Kirk and Scotty) were poorly interpreted by the writers, this is a subject of protracted discussion.
"it was success with the critics"
So? They're not exactly journalistic heavy-weights. They critique the creative endeavors of others and assign a grade/ranking. And that's all.
"as well as fans"
You mean the same fans who plunked down 402E6 $US to see Transformers 2 (a movie that is dumber than Trek XI)? I am not impressed.
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Nemesis was one of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever seen. B fucking 4? Come on! And having to watch Riker waddle across a corridor and jump into a JTube to almost get stuck Winnie the Pooh style was insulting. That is the enduring image for me about that movie. The Waddle.
TNG is over rated. There is not much depth to it. Picard is a pansy pseudo-philosophical wuss. I'm so serious. Not trolling. Picard was bad ass in First Contact. He was the right mix of thinking and acting. Generally though, he was just annoying.
I enjoyed the new movie for Pine and the visuals. Orci and Kurtzman can't write for shit. Everyone knows that. The scene where young Spock is laughed at is so cliche it's not even worth laughing at. For me though, JJ Abrams saved the movie for how he directed it. He didn't give it room to breathe like the LOST Pilot. Everything was big, bright, and fast. For the content he was given, it worked. Because of the directing and casting, the franchise earned a larger audience, something no one ever thought was possible.
Of course, if the new movie is just as shallow (which I fear it will be because of Orci and Kurtzman), then the first movie will have been a waste. Damon Lindelof is co-writing though, so hopefully he'll use the chance to prove that the philosophical depth in LOST had something to do with him and not just Carlton Cuse and his Harvard education. Otherwise, I'm blaming the series finale on Lindelof. -
So far. And it has no competition at the box office this weekend.
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Yes, bro, loved Pitch Black, also very much enjoyed COR, and looking forward to more Riddick in the future....I think Vin gets a bad rap, he aint no acting genius but he makes pretty decent films....nothing spectacular, but entertaining....well except Babylon AD but from all I read it really wasn't his fault.
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Your statement on critics....while true, it's pretty much the same thing we do in here, the difference is we don't get paid for it so what's your point?Your statement about "the same people who paid blah blah blah to see TF2" is ridiculous...you know for a fact that it was the same people? Most people I know or talked to hated TF2 and really enjoyed Trek, thus showing a bit of separation in the two audiences, so to say they are the same audience is not accurate. I'm sure many of the same people saw both films, but from all I have seen, they are different, separate audiences for the most part.As far as your other points...I agree it was not more Trek than the last three films, but the last three films were horrid dreck, well, not First Contact. ST 09 was a Trek/Star Wars hybrid, of that there is no doubt. I realize people have a problem with that, but guess what? The old Trek formula was NOT WORKING...Insurrection and Nemesis were horrible films and were creative and financial failures, so a change had to be made, had they stuck to the traditional Trek formula, all that would have happened was another failure.That being said, the next film must be more Trek than the first, while still having the broader appeal of the first film. Having attracted a new audience, I feel they can do that, they just need a more solid story and should not have Klingons or Romulans...maybe as secondary players, but the main villains must be something different...the Tholians, the Kelvans, something Trek, but something we have seen perhaps once from TOS. They have a chance to do something really cool with this next film, and I hope they do it.
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It is not great. It is not a masterpiece. It is not even a masterpiece. It's a very good time at the movies, though. And all the theorizing is fun, too, but the emotional impact just wasn't there, at least for me. Too much of the dialogue and the performances were dedicated to exposition for me to really connect to the characters. Particularly Cobb, the most important character. And, yeah, I get that Cotillard's Mal was another side to Cobb's personality. She was very good. She actually had some acting to do. I just wish DiCaprio would have had as many opportunities to shine.
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Way to go, Colonel. Way to make yourself look like an idiot while trying to make an emphatic point. Sheesh.
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My point about the critics is that to cite them as proof of the quality of film is as meaningless as citing one of us. Pro or con arguments should come from the production itself.
The same thing can be said of the movie-goers. BTW, "blah blah blah" = 402E6 = 402 million. Even at today's ticket prices, and considering the size of the current population of the US, I'm sure that there is at least some overlap between the two sets (trek audience and transformers audience). If you have any evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it.
I agree, there is much to disparage about the last several Trek films, and I will not defend them. Furthermore, there are (surprise!) a few things that I do approve of in Trek XI. But not enough to give it a passing grade.
"the next film must be more Trek than the first, while still having the broader appeal of the first film. Having attracted a new audience, I feel they can do that, they just need a more solid story and should not have Klingons or Romulans...maybe as secondary players, but the main villains must be something different...the Tholians, the Kelvans, something Trek, but something we have seen perhaps once from TOS. They have a chance to do something really cool with this next film, and I hope they do it."
I hope you're right. I really do. There is a small, non-zero probability that they will produce a quality film. But, projecting into the future, using the past work of the film-makers as data points, I am not optimistic. -
The acting from Pine and Quinto were better acted than Scott Bakula and that awful actress that played T'pol. Also, Avery Brooks was about as exciting as wallpaper in the first few years of DS9.
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You must live in a sad world where you can only see and enjoy one movie a year.
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I liked Quinto as Spock. And to an extent, Spock as written. One of the few aforementioned things that didn't bug me about Trek XI.
"You must live in a sad world where you can only see and enjoy one movie a year."
How do you know? Even if that were true, I will always prefer, and be content with, quality over quantity.
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1. Pine, Urban, Pegg
2. NIMOY
3. The "cave" scene - "I am Spock" brought a tear to me eye.
4. Retro/future mesh of the Enterprise
5. the score - epic
6. destruction of Vulcan - brings home the fact that this is a brand new universe
7. Admiral Archer reference - suck it, "Enterprise" haters
8. fx
9. fantastic story
10. Oh, yeah...NIMOY
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of Nemesis is a bit overdone, but I think most Trek fans dont like it because its really just a lazy remake of Khan, Picard's clone looks absolutely nothing like him lol..Data is fat (amazing for an android lol), and B4 was just insulting to Trek fans as such an obvious back up plan for if they ever want to bring Data back (thus making his death pointless no?).But the space battle was bitching (actually better than in JJ's trek imho), and Digital Domain did some really nicev space fx. But like most of the TNG films, it just felt like a long tv episode...
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of Nemesis is a bit overdone, but I think most Trek fans dont like it because its really just a lazy remake of Khan, Picard's clone looks absolutely nothing like him lol..Data is fat (amazing for an android lol), and B4 was just insulting to Trek fans as such an obvious back up plan for if they ever want to bring Data back (thus making his death pointless no?).But the space battle was bitching (actually better than in JJ's trek imho), and Digital Domain did some really nicev space fx. But like most of the TNG films, it just felt like a long tv episode...
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"And have you ever changed anybodies mind?"No, but i have found like-minded people. And for a forum participation, that's far more important. Hell, i evne found people who disagree with me which i have found to be cool and nice people to chat with, like you and Six Demon Bag. And all that because of what i have said about JJ Abrams's SHIT TREK. And i keep finding new cool people, like, for instance, JackGraham. And all because of my "rants". So, yeah, they have been positive for me. Even talking with you and posting this to you is an oportunity for me to chat with you. How's that a bad thing, friend? And really, nobody is forced to agree with me, nor are they forced to listen to me. but to distort what i say andf go in stupid attacks and obsfuscation for the sake of protectingtheir dear crap movie, that is the shit you should save your revolt agaisnt, not on my coments, which all of them are in context. Youknow i'm no troll you jsut do a quuick jab and never retursn,i always, always bother to explian why. and no, i haven't yet exausted the JarJarTrek subjec,tand you know why? I even haven't coment half my problems with the movie. Mostly because i have to reply to others and repeat the same arguments. I'm always backtracked. Where it not for tha,t i might had already said my whole piece, i'm certain. It bothers but i'm tireless.
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... because as out friend southafricanguy very well said, it's a recapitulation and repetition of Wrath Of Kahn. So, yeah, it's understandable, even comendable that the movie should be criticized for that, because it's the lazy as route. Yet, this criticism analysis fails and is dismissed with a wave of hand for Abrams' movie. It's as if people don't want to know, deliberatly over-see it. That and the also basic rip off of Star Wars and Top Gun. Why people chose to be so (justiably) critical of Nemesis but not of Abram's Trek is puzzling and damn peculiar. It's deliberate self-denial. I thinkthey call it cognitive disssotiation, it's when he are deliberatly blinded to avoid facing and noticing something that is unconfortable and ruins and questions a confortable certainty.
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You nkow why it's as valid to talk about the movies we hate as much as the ones we love? Because both stir emotions, stir our mind and intellect and stir our passions. It's the midle of the road banal milquetoast movies that are not worth a bother talking about. You know what i mean. By that, it's a compliment i am giving to Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK, one of the very few i can and i do.
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People are pretty quick to dismiss INCEPTION as a masterpiec,e evne if they hav enothing but praise for the movie. but they use arguments such as "there's no real social coment in the movie" or "movie says nothing about the human soul and our place in the universe". And yet, who in ere denies that JAWS and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK are masterpieces? The word masterpiece is used regarding those two movies. and yet, which one of those does offer social comentary or says anything profound and deep about the human soul and our place in the universe? So, if we can aply masterpiece to RAIDERS and JAWS, why are you so coy about labeling INCEPTION as masterpiece? Is it time? It takes a movie 30 years to be called a masterpiece, just so to be on the safe side? A good movie is more good 30 years later?
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Quinto mightbe the actor i liked the most in Abram's Trek. I think he was a brillant choice to play Spock. The problem was the lines he had to say ("mother, may i make a query?") and what he had to do, and worst, how he was. The writers and fans have been tireless about they comenting and justifying his emo behavior with "he's still young, he is still not logial, he's half human" and all that, but it makes no sense for me. From what i have seen in the TOS TV show, he barely has any human traits in his physiology, nor in his psycology nor in his education adn training. He's full vulcan in that regard. So why making him so... well, human? I mena, why rob Spock of his own peculiarities and uniqueness? Why does people feel sucyh need to have him act fully human? I mean, the rest of the crw are already humans, why can't he be the exception, why doe she need to be another human too? See, i just don't get this stuf about the new mvoie,adn why those who love it try to ignore this problems exist and dismiss them out of hand. andit's not jsut the dumb idiots who do this, but also these very smart ones that shoudl know better. The attitude people have about the new Trek, their refusal to go deep and debate it and try to still cling to a dream vision of it where ther eis no talk of it's faults, is just weird, too weird. It's like hypnotism or soemthing, as if people are protecting a faith they hate to see shattered. It's damn peculiar.
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,a dnI m not having some kind of revolt agianst you, I just think you re better than focusing on negative things, thats all. And I guess I m just getting sick of the general negativity in the AICN talkbacks, it just seems like often there is little to no actual discussion about film, and its all just negative whining and bitching. Maybe Im just getting burnt out on this site, and it was just bumming me out seeing you engage in the same negativity to suh a degree. Oh well.....
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,a dnI m not having some kind of revolt agianst you, I just think you re better than focusing on negative things, thats all. And I guess I m just getting sick of the general negativity in the AICN talkbacks, it just seems like often there is little to no actual discussion about film, and its all just negative whining and bitching. Maybe Im just getting burnt out on this site, and it was just bumming me out seeing you engage in the same negativity to suh a degree. Oh well.....
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point, not everyone considers the movie you hate as a bad movie, and thein lies the problem. Its all very subjective, and on top of it, wether you or I like it, many people really like JJ's films/tv shows. And those people are not "wrong" for liking his stuff anymore than you are "wrong" for hating his stuff. Thus while I agree with you that there is validity,and interest in dissceting/discussing why a film does not work (even though that too is highly subjective), I will alwyas maintain that spending over a year to argue with people over a film you think is bad, and that they think is good is a complete waste of time and energy. However that being said its your time Asi, and if you have it to beat a dead horse than have at it.
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I'm honoured. You felt what you had to say to me was so important, you repeated it twice. I'm deeply honoured.Joking aside, i understand perfectly what you mean. But the thing is, look around the movie landscape of today, of this recent years. how many good movies have you see? how many bad movies have you see? I think, like me, you have seen far mroe bad then good movies. Therefore, there's more to say about the bad movies then the good because the bad outnumber the good by a large margin. Statistically alone, there's more chances and reasons to chat about the bad then the good. And then there's the other reason: the bad movies have been so truly so bad, they surpass in badness what he good movies have in goodness, if you know what i mean. A movie like Abram's Trek has more to be said about it because it has more bad to it then a good movie like, say, IRON MAN, has about how good it is. You know what i mean? And then there's Abrams' pernecious influence in movies. His Trek movie is but a tip of the iceberg. I truly fear what the combined efforts of Bay and Abrams will bring to modern american cinema.
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questions I have for you. Are you a Batman fan in general (you know the comic books, have seen Batamn:TAS etc..) Or are you just a fan of BB and TDK because they are Chris Nolan films? And what do you think of the Burton Batman films? (and your answer to this will of course depend heavily on wether you are an actual Batman fan)
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Spock had plenty of emotional moments in TOS, so it is not unreasonable to think that he struggled in his youth with them. Especially if you consider the fact that in his training days at the Vulcan academy, he was surrounded by nothing but Vulcans, so it's easy for him to maintain his logical, unemotional side. If you watched TOS, and I know you have, you would know this. True in TOS his emotional moments were not very often but they happened. I also did not see him as "human" in Trek 09, sure he had more emotional moments than he has ever had, but I have already explained why I feel that it's ok.That being said, if they do the same thing with him in the next film, then I WILL have a problem with that.
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is reason to fear influence from Bay and his ilk, but at the same time Im heartened to see Directors like Nolan doing so well (and he will have an influence in the future on American ciema too)and that guys like Cameron have inspired and influenced talented guys like the Wachowski Bros, and Neil Blomkamp etc ...So I think it goes both ways..
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It's commendable what you're trying to do but it's hopeless. Asimov has descended into a parody of himself.And that's a shame because he used to have one or two interesting things to say.
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finally got around to watching TOS, what do you think of it And have you ever checked out StarTrek:Deep Space Nine? Easily the best of the modern Treks imho...
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it in New York?
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Never said there was no overlap in the audiences, so I am not going to continue that debate, all I said was that the opinions, for the most part, of the people who saw both films, from my experience, was vastly different.Oh, don't take offense at my blah blah shit, I was just being lazy and a bit of a wise ass lol.As far as critics go , I am the last person to give any credence to their opinions, I have never been an advocate of critics and never will be. A person should see a film because it interests them, period. I despise it when I see people react to a review with "Well I was going to see that movie but after that review forget it" use your own mind and form your own opinion, and the argument that a critic has similar tastes to you is garbage. Be your own person, use your own mind, form your own fucking opinion instead of relying on others.
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It is 8:26am here and already 84 fucking degrees...thank god I work inside. Hows it going there bro?
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"not everyone considers the movie you hate as a bad movie"Yeah, i figured that as much too (sarcasm)"and thein lies the problem. Its all very subjective"Or is it? Is it really THAT subjective? Or is that another one of those defenses to turn a blind eye to an uncorfortable subject? Becasue i see that like that. Many have comented befroe how Abram's latest mvoie depends so much on pure impossible coincidences to advance the plot. That's a fact about the movie. That does not depend on each one interpretation, it's an objective fact about the movie. and how many time paople have presented that as a sign of bad storytelling? Plot dependeint on coincidences and deuz ex machinas? i'm evenr certain many people who like Abram's movie have been critical of other movies that used that dramatic tactic before. And it doesn't stop here. I have seen people, the same people, bashing other movies for the same stuff that's in Abram's Trek, but for some reason, it's acceptable, even praiseworth in Abrams's movie. Seems to me people use subjectivity wheever it's convinient to them to avoid discussion on a subject they know, deep insdie, has no true valid reasons in support. It's this, shall we say, irrational blind defense of Abrams's Trek that i don't udnerstand. I mean, is that the only movie that has any entertaining value in existence this days? No other movie can entertain, only Abram's Trek? Buit the wrost aspect of this all is not even that they liekd the movie. i don't care if they liekd it or not,t hat's their problem, not mine. It's their business. no, the real problem here is a very specific one: why they think it's good. and if their only defense is "it's good because i like it", well, that doesn't cut it. If you go around saying "I liked Abrams Trek", well, so be it, it's your own thing. But if you go aroudn saying "Abram's Trek ss good movie", you are going into a whole different territory. And you better back up that statement, because it will be scrutinized. specially so if the appologetics will then go jihad and agressive on those who not only dislike the movie but offer very solid and detailed justifications for their own opinions. Because the ballance in this subject is quite tilted. The people who claim this movie is bad have offered very detailed and well reasoned reasons to why it's so, while those who defend the movie have none improtant or insightful to say in it's defense other then platitudes or the old "because i liked it", which means nothing at all. If youa re going to make statements of quality, you better do a good job doing it. And that presumption by the supporters that they are isempt of that insults me to no end.
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How's that in celcius? 40? Well, this heatwave is generalized, i guess. In my neck of the world it's also damn hot, and while the south part of my country is traditionally very hot in the summer, it hasn't never been this hot as far i can remember.
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You know quite well I am critical of the whole ice planet spock prime/kirk/scotty thing, should have been done differently, I have never denied that.But here is a question...you say people who say Trek is a good movie better be able to back it up....why? Why do you care and why bother? You think it's bad, you have your reasons and your opinion is not going to change, so why do you give a damn what other people think of it? I am just curious as to why you feel people need to back up that claim to you. No matter what anyone says to you, your opinion is not going to change and vice versa, so why is it such a big deal?
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84 degrees fahrenheit is 28 celsius bro.
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Jul 23, 2010 7:36:15 AM CDT
It's just that it's so early here and already that hot....UGHHHH
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Going to watch kick Ass tonight bro, did you like it?
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As for TOS, well, i think it's brillant. I'm even amazed with the level of sophistication it has in many of the good classic episodes. It truly is the work of intelligent people who wanted to make something that is both entertaining and smart, without one overwhelming the other. Entertaiment at it's best. Even the much maligned 3rd season is still top quality stuff, and one of my favorite episodes belongs to that series. In fac,t there's soemthing heartbreaking about TOs in that it only lasted 3 seasons. It could had lasted for two more seasons easily. For all the talk about how the series were changing, it feels to be that TOs was still warming up. To se eit ended and cut so short it's liek what i feel about ROME snd CARNIVALÉ, great intelligent entertaiment at it's best shows cut too short because of foolishness and desinterest. While i am extremely happy those existed in the first place, it also breaks my heart there isn't more of it.I know next to nothing about the other Trek shows, i do have some punctuary knowledge about TNG.
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I've read several Tb's where folk have gone into detail about why they like JJ Trek and why they believe it to be a good movie. To say that they haven't is untrue.You simply won't accept any of the reasons they give you. That, of course, is entirely up to you.
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but I did nt like the last act for a vareity of reasons which I dont want to get into as you have not seen it. We really should only discuss it post your viewing of it
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Sounds good bro we will definitely discuss it....btw in case this TB goes away and I cannot find you, I still have your email addy from when you sent me the Avatar thingy, so If I cannot find you I'll just email you and we can figure out what TB to meet up on.
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to me? because you seem to be being little snarky in tone with your posts.
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Is it as mindblowing as The Matrix was in 1999? The scene where Neo "wakes up" was fantastic.
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good points. What makes a good movie is also highly subjective, wether we like it or not. Many peopl have expressed themselves in just as much detail a to why they think TRek was a good film. As have many critics for that matter, so who exactly is the grand poohba that deceides what constitutes good filmaking? Because there are certainly many schools of thought on that subject no? So why should anyone have to back up their opinion (and really everthing we all say is just that , opinion) to you? Or anyone for that matter?
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cal aspects of film making then we can be fairly objective, but anythin gon the artistic side is fair game either way.
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eed is awsome. As i have already said , if you like TOS, do yourself a favour and seek out Deep Space Nine.
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You haven't seen KICK ASS before? Well, it's a fun movie, don't mind the bollocks about the extreme detractors. No, it's not the savior of comic cinema, it's not evne the best comic movie made this decade or even in the last two to 3 years, but it does the job it proposes to do, and that is in itself high praise.
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This is a personal opinion, and only mine so it's value is questionable, and there is no RIGHT answer but - Good about JJ Trek, and this is just rattling things off the top of my head:
1) The entire opening scene conveys a sense of urgency that has been sorely lacking in Trek even at the most urgent times.
2) I found the end of this sequence actually genuinely emotional. This caught me entirely by suprise as I wasn't expecting to feel moved.
3) Pike and Kirk in the bar.
4) Urban just about everytime he is on screen..
5) The sheer pace of the whole film. It moves at warp speed.
6) Nimoy as Spock, just perfect.
7) "You and he will come to define each other in ways you cannot possibly imagine."
8) Overall that it feels like Trek, WITHOUT feeling like Trek. It really is quite an amazingly neat trick they have pulled with this.
9) If you don't think the whole scene with the Enterprise coming out of warp in the middle of the destroyed fleet and going evasive is amazing, then you must be clinically dead.
10) Speaking of the old NCC1701, the reveal of the ship is excellent. In my mind 2nd only to the reveal in ST:TMP. Although the ST:TMP spacedock sequence is waaaaaaay to long, and a perfect example of how pointlessly indulgent original Trek could be at times. OK, we get it, this is important and the ship is a character in it's own right but come the fuck on! In ST:09 the ship intro and reveal is well pitched.
11) Quinto as Spock, I liked the conflict. I liked his portrayal. I liked his reactions.
12) Pine as Kirk. No arguments. He rocked. It would have been so easy to be a parody but he isn't.
13) The whole exchange with Nero, Kirk and Spock as his ship falls back into the temporal hole.
14) I liked the humour. I liked swollen Kirk and tubed up Scotty. Fuck me, I am a Trekkie and I thought it could be po-faced over earnest wank of the highest order at times. I like a bit of comic relief.
What else, well aside from doing amazing business for Trek which was essentially dead on it's ass and starting to stink, this film scored great with the reviewers (professionals, not geeks like us) and as has previously been mentioned it opened up the formerly closed world of Trek to a much bigger audience. The group who saw it with me consisted of people from 22 to 56, girls to middle aged men and when we all went for food afterwards it was clear that everyone LOVED it! Including all our girlfriends / wives who were dragged to see it under duress. Total non-Trekkie people who said "Wow, that rocked!".
I'm like the others Asi, I have no axe to grind with you personally and I accept you didn't like the film. However it is a standing AICN joke that every time there is any mention of anything Trek related or Abrams related, no matter how minuscule, there you are in Talkback with exactly the same "Jar Jar Abrams" and "Shit Trek" gags ad infinitum, focussing on the same points you didn't like and hurling faeces like a monkey in the zoo at anyone who says "Actually, I kinds dug it!".
And in other talkbacks too, that have nothing to do with Trek and never would, you say things like "I found the film really dissappointing, like Jar Jar's Shit Trek.". In short, you are obsessed. You behave like some kind of self-appointed prophet and defender of the truth against the Satan of ST:09. And you project, oh sweet jebus do you project. You did it again inthois talkack bringing up Creationists. Seriously??? Dude, conversations with Creationists are pretty much on a par with conversations with you on here whenever the talk turns to Trek.
Like a few of the other guys I also am puzzled as when you aren't ranting and raving about Trek you seem like a sane, sensible and cool guy. But when that Trek 09 genie is out of the bottle, fuck me, it's like you are gonna Hulk out! -
You make some good points bro, good post.
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That is the general opinion I have seen about Kick Ass...not spectacular, but does what it sets out to do despite some flaws....look forward to watching it tonight.
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Artistry also goes hand to hand with technicality, you know? consider how technicala dvances help inspire some artistic choices. You think CITIZEN KANE would had the artistitry it has if cinematogrpaher Gregg Toladn had not invented deep focus photography for motion pcitures? and how that technology inspired Welles for his vision for his movie? consider this: the painters of old, they mixed the paint themselves for their own painting. They had to be very knowledgable of the various constituents of their paint and what made the colours they wanted so they could pain. Did you knew some of the classic painters had to collect cow piss to make yellow paint. Truly those guys had to go to the shitter to make their art.The thign that might catch my interest for DEEP SPACE NINE is that it was the Trek show which Ronald D. Moore was most in charge and where he did most of his input. That alone kicks some curiosity from. And i also know that Moore's Galactica was based on ideas he wanted to implement on Star rek but which were torpedoed by Brannon Braga, most notably the cylons, which were based on ideas and notions that Moore wanted to put to The Borg in a new Trek series that never got off the ground.
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, and good points.
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My advise, watch KICK ASS with the mates. The jokes will look funnier. worked for me, i saw it withthe mates, and there were moments in the movie we were crying laughing. There is one scene in the movie, though, which is pure cinematic awesomeness, and one of the top best moments in action movie of the last 10 years: Cage as Big Baddy invading and shooting everybody in a mafia warehouse. The scene has to be seen to be believed. That alone makes the movie worth watching. You will know what i'm talking about when you see it.
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Cool, cannot wait to see it and discuss it with SAG and you. The more I hear about DS9 the more I want to revisit it. Must find it on DVD and rent.
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I'm going to repeat myself but i'm goingto say this again about this: i have yet to see any convincing argument why i should think Abram's Trek is agood movie. there is not one single attractive a reasonable argument in it's favour. Not even by bringing the general quality of the cast does it. I mean, if that argument had any value, then ARMAGEDDON would had been a quite great movie, because it's filled to the teeth with a collection of great awesome actors. Doesn't work that way. Nobody has evenr come up with a truly valid reasonable reason why JJTrek is good, all is just talk about their own personal enjoyment for a movie they had not made any positive effort to understand or deconstruct. And the least said about the advertizement platitudes repeated ad eternum the better.
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, but as I said, and as has Rouge and others, there can never be an absolute concensus on what is a good film or a bad film because everybody has different ideas about what exactly constitutes good, or bad filmaking. The technical side can be more objective because of the simple nature of it being technical and thus more empirical as it were. But purely creative choices are highly subjective becasue what works for one person can be seen as terrible by another. And I am a big supporter of technical film making being just as important as artistic film making
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I did watched one DS9 episode that impressed the shit out of me. SAG will tell you about it in mor detail, specially it's background in the series, but it's this episode where a notorious war criminal is arrested and he is interregoated by one of the DS9 personel for his impeding trial for genocidical crimes. But the more she interviews him, the more inconstencies she finds in his stor,y to the point she starts to supect he is not who he says he is, but soembody else passing as this notorious war criminal. the question is then, why would soembody else try to pass as such a monster? The episode is quite devastating. This episode was done during the Bosnia War, and you could tell that the attrocities stories from that war made a profound impact on Ron Moore and he projected that into Star Trek.And then there's the lesbian episode. Terry Farrel going lesbian, what's not to like? Well, i think it must be grea,t i never saw that epsidoe, but i know it's existence, which makes me curious. Farrell seems quite at home playing for the lesbian vibe, she did as well for HELLRAISER III. And it's so hot!!
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"there can never be an absolute concensus on what is a good film or a bad film"I don't see why not. I think most people mistake preference for acessment of quality, which doesn't mean it's coincidental. Have you never admired a movie which you know it's quality but you can't bring yourself to love it? If you ask me, i think most people are just too lazy and self-indulgent to bother to do a little buit of thinking, and they think they have a god given right that just because they have a feelings that should be the end of it. Of which i say "nonsense". Doesn't cut that way. It aint that easy. but it's this self-indulnt laziness that is helping bad mvoies to continue to be made and to be popular and sucessful at the box office.
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involvemnet with DS9 shows, trust me dude. I really cant recommend DS9 enough. The 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th seasons are particularly good imho.
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Best way to watch it, i'm certain.
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Then to them it is good and their reasons are valid in the regard. Just because someone else does not think they are valid reasons does not INVALIDATE them.Asimov...to YOU, no one has given good reasons why they think Trek is good...TO YOU, just because you don't see them as valid reasons does not invalidate them. People have given many reasons why they thing Trek is good, so fine you turn around and say they are not reasons...honestly bro, no matter what anyone comes up with, you will not see it as a valid reason. Your extreme hatred of Abrams blocks you from accepting any reason for the film being good. You just keep on saying people have not given you reasons why they think it is good when in fact they have, you just can't accept the fact that there are people who think it was a good movie, you want everyone to see it as a bad movie, and it's not gonna happen. The reasons people give why they think it's good are no more right or wrong than your reasons as to why it is bad.Ok that just wore me out...i'm gonna get some work done.....LOL
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Why thank you sir!Hey aren't you due to hit the sack? You must be tired as hell bro
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Very good points all. May I also add that of somebody generally thinks a film is good they they are more inclined to overlook a films weaker points. Whereas if somebody feels a film is bad, vice versa, they are likely to fixate on these points, or indeed see weaknesses where none exist.
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fucking hot as hell. And ive had a long day too. Btw Rouge, what work do you do?
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"i have yet to see any convincing argument why i should think Abram's Trek is agood movie"
NOBODY IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU!!! WE JUST WANT YOU TO LET IT GO!!! THE HORSE IS FUCKING DEAD!!!!! -
So true dude, and that is the case here. To the extreme in some cases cough*asimov*cough...lol.....ahhhhh Asi you silly bastard you.....how can anyone hate you LOL.
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just said 100%. Well put good sir
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I am a computer tech for an outsourcing company, we do tech support mostly at libraries. Right now i'm actually working at a library where the previous tech guy made a mess of things and I am going to spend the next few months cleaning up his shit. Gonna take a while too because I am only at this particular place twice a week 4hrs each day. It's not a bad job, the days are broken up because we spend half the shift at one place then go to another with an rare full day in one place. The pay is not what I want it to be, but it will get better with time and considering how long I was on unemployment, I am grateful just to have a job at this point. Had I not gotten this one, I would still be unemployed with no income since my unemployment pay ran its course...so while it's not exactly what I want, it's better than nothing at all and I do enjoy my work.
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Batman? What about him?
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You may have told me already but what work do you do bro?
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~that's an easy coup out, but the true is non Abram's Trek supporter has ever come up with a good argument, as detailed and as reasonable as those offered by the detractors. Not one. They are all obfuscation or distraction or personal. None. It's easy to dismiss it all as just me not accepting, but that's a coup out. Which is the history of the support of Abram's trek, a whole stream and string of coup outs.
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What would i do to what?
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... i'm happy you got a job. First things first, man, don't you agree?
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It's also easy for you to dismiss every reason give as not a valid reason, because to you they aren't, to you, people haven't given valid arguments, but at the same time, just because you don't see them as valid arguments, does not invalidate them. I'm beating myself up with this argument, I have said my view on it and that's it.
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Thank you sir, I'm glad to have finally gotten work, the search for a job is just as exhausting , if not more so than actually having a job. It's also nice to be able to be on here and yack with my mates while at work, while still getting done what I have to.
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job market in th states is bad. As you say, a job is better than job any day, and the look for one is indeed exhausting. I teach English in Korea Rouge, to high schhol kids and the employees of Korean companies. It can be tiring, but its often fun, and the pay is good. Plus i get to live in Asia, which is a reward all to itself...
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Nice to enjoy your job isn't it? I am always amazed at people who constantly complain about their jobs and stay for one of two reasons.....they cant give up the salary, or are just too lazy to go out and get a job they like. Either way, people like that make me sick. Either get another job or stop the damn complaining. I would rather take a little less pay and be happy then to have a monster salary and dread going to work every day, i'm funny like that LOL.
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"Are you a Batman fan in general (you know the comic books, have seen Batamn:TAS etc..) Or are you just a fan of BB and TDK because they are Chris Nolan films? And what do you think of the Burton Batman films? (and your answer to this will of course depend heavily on wether you are an actual Batman fan)".....and I never got an answer, thats all
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, totally agree with you Rouge, It is better to enjoy what you do
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Im really happy we are getting another Riddick (which is a fucking minor miracle) as I think David Twohy is such an underrated director, and I love the whole Conan in space vibe they have established. Also very interested in the road warrior vibe that the concept art is giving off
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I highly recommend checking out Kick-Ass (Grab the MKV version if you can.)as it's more than just some parody of superhero lore. Like asi said, it's better to see the film with like minded friends.I saw it in the theaters with the wifey and she HATED it with the noted exception of Hit Girl.But I enjoyed it and let's just say it was one of cage's best performances in a loonnngg time.BTW congrats for landing a new gig.
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Classic, flat out classic...."the lord high humongous.....warrior of the wastelands...the ayatollah of rock and rolla" Love it!
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Watching it tonight bro.And thanks....good to be working....god did i really say that? LOL
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....afterall, Spock's Black Hole gun was able to conveniently bend to the will of whatever the lazy writers' needs were, who's to say that the Black Hole gun's effects couldn't give him the balls to face his critics? "Face" his critics.
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... how to make an action movie. Everything you want to know in how to make an action movie, you can learn by watching that movie. All the school you will ever need.
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As far i cna remember, i have always known about Batman. Back int eh 70s and early 80s, we in my country still called the character by the translated name of Homem-Morcego, which is just a literal translation of Batman. but since the late 80s, the character became known here as Batman, and nobody here calls him otherwise now.I like the character of batman, i always found him to be one of the most charismatic and interesting comic character, even back in the day when he was presented in a more campy fashion. But those were the days when i was a kid. I'm not too well versed in the whole history of Batman, but i have a good enough general knowledge of the history of the character. And as for the cinematic representations, well, Nolan's movies have pratically erased from my any interest of the previous cinematic versions of the character. Basically, if i never watched any of those movies for the rest of my life, i wouldn't miss them. What i get from the Nolan's movies more then suffices. As far as i'm interested, nolan's Batman are the definitive cinematic presentation of the character.
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... is known as MAD MAX 2.
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"Road Warrior One of the best action movies."Most definatly. Wickedly funny too.
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A man in a Darth Vader costume robbed a Chase bank in Setauket, Long Island on Thursday morning.
The Star Wars villain stood up the bank by wielding not a light saber but a pistol, an element that probably shocked the bank customer,who initially "thought it might have been a joke."
After a “shoving match” with the customer, who at first defied Vader's dark forces, the costumed criminal demanded money from the drawer and the teller, who, apparently convinced that this wasn't an ‘Improv Everywhere' stunt, supplied him with the money.
This was the most recent of a string of eccentric thefts, with a "bouquet bandit" raiding banks accompanied with flowers and potted plants as well as the "barefoot bandit," who committed his crimes barefoot.
The evil Jedi escaped on foot through the parking lot, with an unknown amount of money. Police said the suspect stood just over six feet tall and was sporting, as well as a mask, a blue cape and camouflage pants.
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http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/07/23/darth-vader-suspected-in-bank-robbery/
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Once again my friend we are in total agreement...Road Warrior is a definitive action movie, one needs to look no further than that film if you want to know what action movies are all about.Batman...while I liked a few of the older Bat films (Burton's before he descended into hackery and yes I got a kick out of Forever, mostly because of Jim Carrey, not because of the neon filled world of Gotham, that is not how Gotham City should look....ever), I agree that Nolan's movies are the definitive versions of Batman, want to know about Batman? Look no further than Begins and TDK, and the next film, they ARE Batman.
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That is is my neck of the woods, Long Island....while I live in a different county than the robbery, I know where that is, too funny...didn't even have his full suit on, he must be hurting LOL.
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Is called that here because no one really saw Mad Max except for film geeks like me, and they dubbed Gibson's voice in Mad Max so I guess they wanted some separation from the first film, to have it stand on its own.
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Man,this recession is hurting evne the Dark Lords Of Sith. Who's next, Palpatine? Chewbacca? Imagine robbing a bank dressed as C3PO!Can't wait to see the first time somebody robs a bank dressed as ROBOCOP.
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Well, THE ROAD WARRIOR kidna does hold on it's own... but not exactly. One still needs the first movie to be savvy to the second. It's not exactly mandatory, but it helps fill some gaps. Besides, it's your oportunity to see the Ford Falcon in a better state of clean and far less battered. The car is a beauty, so much so that Eric Bana almost killed himself driving one. The silly boy put a 600 break-horsepower engine what is but a muscle car! The dude is crazy, it's miracle he's still alive!
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Jul 23, 2010 12:18:22 PM CDT
The good thing about watching MAD MAX before ROAD WARRIOR
by asimovlives
is that when you watch the later, you already know who Max is, and you udnerstand exactly every action he does and why he is as he is. just by going with ROAD WARRIOR alone, he is just a cypher who has a nearly unexplicable change of heart. It's not that one can't kinda get why he decides to help the refinery people, but if you already know the character from the first movie, it's a matter of course why he decides to help because once he was a police officer and helping was what he did. By going with ROAD WARRIOR alone, he's just one of the marauders, with no hint as to why he could harbour giood feelings inside him and why he would be any different from the rest of the riff raff. Fortunatly for me, i did watched the movies in sequence.
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....taking your assumption about my taking phrases literally:if a gunman did threaten an entire neighborhood, I wouldn't send a lone elderly man to solve the problem, since it's entirely illogical. I'd probably also know which neighborhood it was, unlike the mystery exploding star which would only threaten the immediate mystery solar system's life. This is, of course, just the tip of the plot/logic hole ice berg. I'll give you that one, just so that you can feel like you did manage to deflate one of my points. Maybe we need to call in Nero and use his psychic powers to get to the bottom of this mystery, like when he read Kirk's mind to know his father was killed.
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*defibrillates horse* CLEAR!
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I watched them in sequence as well, but I still like the fact that one can watch The Road Warrior and can enjoy it without having seen Mad Max, to me is says a lot about the film. Sure your enjoyment of it is definitely enhanced if you see Mad Max first, but it's not a requirement.To this day it is the standard by which many action movies are molded after and judged against. Nothing yet has surpassed it and it's doubtful anything ever will...I know never say never, but I don't see it happening.
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Jul 23, 2010 1:26:16 PM CDT
I also look forward to JARJAR TREK TOO: SHIT HARDER (2012)...
by asimovlives
... because that movie is going to be released at the same time as Christopher Nolan's BATMAN 3. Which means, Abram's next shitty Trek movie will havr to compete, compare and contrast with a movie made by a man who is flawless in making and delivering great entertaining and smart movies.I can hardly wait for summer 2012. This will be fun!
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Fuck man that question opens up a can of worms you DO NOT want to open....too late now though...*hides in the corner* LOL
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You just had to do it didn't you?
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If Michael Bay's two brain cells were connected with eachother, he could had taken inspiration from THE ROAD WARRIOR and mold his Trashfuckmer movies to it. You cna take the basic story structure of THE ROAD WARRIOR and you copuld make a one hell Transformer movie. but Bay, in his infinete dumbness, decided to go for the marvel team of Orci&Kurtzman and their imaginationless and demented action movie plot structure, which is, plotless and structureless. Besides, who can trust in this duo of Orci&Kurtzman, whose combined names sound like the name of a sleaze lawyer firm speciallized in defending rapists and drug dealers?
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When the hack Abrams will face the Might Nolan and get such a shallacking Abrams will wish his mother had aborted him.
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Your beloved Abrams hackboy will get such a ass fuck his asshole will be so big the Enterprise will have nio trouble cruising through, nacelles and all. And maybe faced with cinematic excelence, you Shit Trek loverboys will finally udnerstand how fucking bad those Abrams' Trek shithole of movies really are.
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Didn't hurted the two previous Batman movies, did it? The problem is you, deal with it.
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You really should try crochet instead.
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You know, the first 30 mins or so of The Island were actually interesting, at one point I said to myself "when is this gonna turn into a Bay movie?" because I knew the interesting sci-fi Logan's Run type story they were developing was just going to degenerate into chaos at one point, and of course it did. Had it kept going in the direction the first 30 mins or so was taking, it may have actually turned out to be a decent film. Ewan and ScarJo did the best with what they had, but after the explosions started, their talents were wasted. A half hour of a good ideas was all they had? It should have never pretended to be what it was not, just made it all the more disappointing.
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Dude...WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? What the hell was that incoherent paragraph about? It was as if you were praising and bashing at the same time....no fucking clue what you're trying to say.
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I guess I am an idiot because it makes no sense to me still and I don't have the time or desire to process it any further, I'll just go with that. My reading comprehension is fine, only when it's English I am reading LOL. No worries dude, no offense meant, just keep doing what your doing.
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Why are you cutting and pasting Asimov's posts? That last thing you said about writing a Trek movie is right out of a post he made recently. What gives on that?
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Never mind, because you just copied and pasted from my own post.....ehhhh. Having trouble with original thoughts are we?
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Your just trying to piss people off. Not gonna work, you will no longer get any attention from me, I don't get involved with grade school bullshit games. Enjoy.
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thats fertile goround for new ideas. I posted something similiar on this thread although I wanted the gorn. Or have the enterprise explore the unknown and go crazy with whats out there. Trek has so much freedom to do new things when you think about it. Unfortunately it seems the new creative team won't go that way.
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Dude, IM THE ONE who posted what this Choppah clown just posted, I wont tell you to go through the entire TB, but trust me, and others will back me up, he directly copied and pasted my post and is trying to pass it off as his own. Seriously if you don't believe me, just use the "find" feature in your browser and put in my user name, it will take you to every post I made in this TB, and you'll see.Now that I have exposed this fool for the doppelganger he is, I will say that the creative team has the chance to do some really cool stuff, I just hope they use the opportunity to do so, if they don't they will find themselves in the shitter because if they don't up the ante for the next film, it won't do well.
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Just want to know if anybody thought the space battle scenes and tension building from ST2 were lifted from the balance of terror episode? Two damaged and blind starships trying to gain the upperhand for the killshot? Just something I've always thought.
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that the choppah is vying for his crown as king of trollvania.
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You know something? I never really picked up on that until you mentioned it just now, but you know what? You are right, the two sequences are very similar...in fact, in both sequences someone dies trying to save the ship....granted in STII it's Spock and not some one off crewman, but damn, never really made the connection. Good observance.
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Idiots are easy to spot aren't they?
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especially when they proclaim it oh so loudly. Look at me! I'm special! I like to stir up the fuss-pot! Good news is, school starts back up in a few weeks, so maybe his postings will diminish as he concetrates on not flunking 4th grade again.
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I checked this thread and under heading SAG (7/23 at 7:46 am)by rogueleader66 is ver batim everything posted by the choppah under his heading AS FOR THE NEXT TREK (7/23 2:12 pm). Check it out everybody and you decide.
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The thing is they think they are being clever, but everyone can see through the juvenile bullshit and then they get ignored. If you're going to be a troll, be a clever one. But I guess that's hard when your under the age of 12...sorry..10...LOLSee here we are talking about the little boy, ignore him and make him go away.
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ignore who? ;)
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Much thanks for the acknowledgment, but I don't need an apology from that sad, sorry person. They are obviously starving for attention ever since mommy took her tit away last week, so pity the poor bastard, just don't pay him any attention. Again, thanks for the recognition.
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Lol....i don't know what your talking about...hahahaha
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All the chicks on the ship would be hot, and the space battles would be excellent.
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But I am getting off work shortly but I will be back later perhaps. Going to go home have a good dinner, watch Kick Ass with my lady and chill. Til later.....
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and the camera would whirl around the captain's chair; all the females would be freshly beaded...
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All the races that have been seen once and never used again. I mean won't be great to see the Tholians (as you mentioned) on the big screen with their crazy energy tricks!? Besides isnt the tag line of trek:boldy go where no has gone before? That'd be a first for a trek movie.
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Eat shit.
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You all are taking this too far.
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gone from belligerent animosity to borderline insanity, I'm waiting for the final descent into Lovecraftian madness
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will always be an impossible film to make. Lovecrafts stuff losses it horror and insanity if it isnt read.
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Jul 23, 2010 3:55:55 PM CDT
I dunno, Leo. I think Carpenter had a good take on it
by colonelfatheart
in IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS.
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and here I thought we were all on the same page. I'll quit feeding the trolls you meanie-butt. *sniff*
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Just look at that hat...it HAS to be causing ungodly pressure on his skull, in Hollywood they call this Forced Cranial Chapeau Douchery, and it is usually fatal.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwJBK8OAx1Y
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Jul 23, 2010 4:52:58 PM CDT
I see the little boy is still copying and pasting my posts
by rogueleader66
Poor little bastard, not an original thought in his head....awwwww...mommy is calling.
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Some stupid little boy is copying my posts and pretending they are his, and I should not have a problem with that? The little asshole is lucky I am holding back, because the stupid little troll has gotten too much attention as it is, and here we are giving it to him again.
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once you get a rep it stays with you. You only have yourself to blame. No rogue, you're doing nothing wrong by letting them know we don't forget.
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Know how in hollywood you have to present an idea for a movie to the suits to get it greenlighted? For next movie do you think they'll say sure but we want this instead of what the braintrust has in mind. I mean trek inc or the suits could say 2d ST with new crew, well lets do an homage to the khan movie as it was the 2d movie of the original crew. God I hope that doesn't happen.
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the Colonel explained to me that his were ironic posts (can't HEAR sarcasm or irony as typed). It was done b/c he felt we were a little too easy on supertroll2000. No offence meant. (I'm sure he'd explain himself, but I saw your post and wanted to add my reassurance).
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Hello sir. It’s me, Fuzzyjefe. You and I have had some genuinely stimulating conversations on film. I just have a little something to add here. I have to honestly give you respect on your absolute tenacity regarding your Trek-vendetta. For all the reasons you’ve explained ad nauseum, you have declared war on that movie and will not stop. No amount of begging, pleading, bullying, or friendly appeals gives you the slightest hesitation. Your commitment is legendary. I’ve never seen the like. It is known not just here at Aint it Cool, but on geek sites the web over. So Asimov, I lift a glass to you and your ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT for TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION as regards to Star Trek ’09. If ever the day comes when a Trek story is posted and you do not sniff it out like a shark to blood, we will all know that AsimovLives no more. Salut!
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I view neo-Spock as more like the post TMP classic-Spock, i.e., more accepting of his human heritage. Pre-TMP, classic-Spock wrestled with his human half, even to the point of downplaying it in front of others. After his mind-meld with V’ger, and his subsequent epiphany amount the basic ties that can bind one being to another, he seemed to be more at ease with himself so that by TWOK, he seemed to have a fair degree of inner peace, that did not seem forced, but came naturally instead. The inner conflict between Vulcan and Human was over by then. He still was, the calm, cool collected Mr. Spock, but he didn’t have to have to work as hard at it.
Quinto’s neo-Spock reinterpretation jumps ahead, and presents a Spock who not only seems to embrace his human half, but even somewhat militant about it. This leads to some problems for him, including where he loses his cool when someone mouths off about his mother (his attachment to whom seemed somewhat Oedipal, but they offset that by having him lock lips with neo-Uhura, that lucky- green blooded hobgoblin. Of course, having a relationship with a subordinate/student leads to other problems ….).
In closing, neo-Spock is a different take on an established character, but not one that I am prepared to knock off points for. The reinterpretation of Kirk and Scotty, well, that’s different story… -
I took no offence at “blah, blah, blah”, I merely assumed that it was unclear that I was using E notation to denote a large number. I should have written it out, as not everybody here comes from a technical background. The laziness was mine.
”Be your own person, use your own mind, form your own fucking opinion instead of relying on others.”
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is, JJ is nt that bad imho, but he s kinda "tv", if that makes sense, whilst Nolan is very cinematc. However I dont think he is flawless (imho no director truly is, and evey director has some weak point), as while I love most of his movies, I feel Nolan's action set pieces are his weak point. I dont like how they are blocked and edited, and the use shaky cam, and too much close ups in his Batman films (barring the tumbler chases in BB and TDK respectively). Of course I have nt seen Inception yet to see if thats changed.
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man films, and about batman. Nolan's Batman films are the definite so far, and the closest to capturing the the best Batman comics imho, however I do still like Burtons films, I still find them interesting and like his Gothic take on them, even if I find Burton unwatchable these days to be honest.
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hig the Burton films recenty after not having seem them for a while, I must say they are superior to Nolans films in one way...I really find Michael Keaton to have been a far better Batman than Bale for a number of reasons
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voice he uses when hes Batman. People I know (like my girlfriend and her friends)that usually hate comic book/superhero films but like Nolans Batman films usually always have the problem with Bales'svoice, they find it silly and over the top. And frankly it sounds like he has lung cancer. Watch Keaton in the first Batman, and watch how he conveys menace and strengh with his voice without resorting to such theatricality.
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Is that damned comic tie-in available anywhere online?
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the portrayal of Batman in Batman:TAS, and as while Nolans films are the best ever live action portrayals of Batmans world thus far, Batman:TAS is still possibily the best ever portrayal of Batman in any other media aside form the comics imho....
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Bale physically and his intensity it dead on but that voice-oy! But Keaton makes the death of his parents something we feel which Bale doesn't. Keaton when in the outfit changes into a man on a mission but not changed into a beast like Bale portrays it. Keaton as Wayne shows me that he hasnt given up that persona while Bale the only time he allows Bruce to be human is when it involves Alfred or his gf what-her-name. Both give good interpetations but I give the edge to Keaton: I'm batman.
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Jul 24, 2010 10:20:44 AM CDT
Ok, Greenwood, we get it.............................. .........
by gotilk
Trek shoots in January.
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Fareal asked who was going to play Khan. He did't mention anything about doing a remake of the wrath movie. You ass sumed it on your own. JJ is problally going to do his version of the episode "space seed" if they put Khan in a movie. Which would be boring. Anything but Khan except tribbles. They're the ewoks of ST universe to me.
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He'd be a bigger problem on set than even Edward Norton stuck with some hack director from France. Or maybe sorta like Mel Gibson marrying a black Jewish woman with fake tits and then trying to have a discussion about Jesus over the telephone. In other words, there'd be alot of heavy breathing involved.
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