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Look! Up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! No, it’s the Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes pic!
Richard Donner’s Superman film was HUGE deal to me as a kid. The milky haze of Metropolis, Christopher Reeve’s humble, yet confident portrayal of Kal-El, Gene Hackman hamming it up, John Williams’ iconic score (yet to be topped by any other superhero score… although Danny Elfman’s Batman comes close), Superman’s gut wrenching scream of anger and agony… The whole thing feels like magic on the screen to me still to this day.
I mean… look at this Behind the Scenes pic… No greenscreen, no visible wires (I’m sure they’re there or else Donner and Reeve have some explaining to do), just a man flying in front of a camera. Click to make bigger.
Here’s the pic:
I've been told we can thank the good folks at CapedWonder.com for uncovering and posting this image. The one sent to me was slightly cropped, so I've replaced it with the original image from Caped Wonder with a link to CapedWonder's full sized mega image!
If you have a pic you think should be included email me. I’m looking for the iconic, the rare, the just plain cool behind the scenes shots to feature here.
Take a ride with Popeye in tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic.
-Quint
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Previous Behind the Scenes pics:
- Alien
- Big Trouble In Little China
- Clash of the Titans
- Dr. Strangelove
- Sesame Street
- The Birds
- The Dark Knight
- Batman (1989)
- Batman: The TV Series
- Stephen King’s IT
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
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Quint, keep up the great work! Now I'm be humming the Superman theme for the rest of the day, lol.
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Chris Reeve is Superman!
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He'll always be the best Superman, bar none.
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He's really fricking flying, man. God I love that movie.
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Totally redeems the series, in fact. You find more pics like this, and we're in business.
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Some don't like it. I do. There better not be any Superman 3 or Quest For Peace pics here or there will be hell to pay.
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so good is because he use to hang glide and he could hold his body up and use his weight to make the wire lean in the direction he wanted and it made him look like he could fly.
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Picture quality worth a shit?
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In the extras he said he kept putting Reeve's pic at the top of the stacks. Man, everything just came together on that movie. The stars lined up just right and the heavens smiled on them.
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Supes I-II rule
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Silver screen magic never to be repeated. Thank you Donner and Reeve.
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at dinner the other night for my kid. Can't remember how it jumped into my head...apart from the fact that it's FUCKING AWESOME
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This Movie contains one of the most iconic scenes ever put to celluloid EVER and that would be Supes catching the helicopter. It was one of those "first" moments that are so rare in film. Just a wonderful movie.
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July 20, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST
HOLY SHIT MOMENT: SUPERMAN FLYING FOR THE FIRST TIME
by BringingSexyBack
Really, before that moment I had never said "holy shit" out loud.
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I agree. That scene can still make a hair or two stand up at the back of my head. In fact, little nerd moment: the last time the family and I went on Soaring Over California, I popped in the iPod with the Superman Main Theme instead of whatever other Disney-esque inspirational music plays. Like I said, felt a little geeky, but it was worth it. The Superman theme actually was the right length for the ride, too. More or less. Ditto on the thanks to Donner and Reeve.
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when reeves takes of after saving Lois for the first time and he takes off and bends backwards. It's right out of the comic! It's like holy shit he really flew!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=treSUFrKR1w
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July 20, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST
Helicopter Scene is all it's Glory! Watch how he takes off at th
by eric haislar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejwYSZQPsg
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I like RDJ, Jackman, Keaton, Snipes, McKellen, Stewart, etc., but Reeve is in a class all his own as an actor, performer, and screen presence. I can't imagine anyone else who could do what he did, then or now.
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Woot!
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Now THAT'S how to make a superhero movie! Although the movie had a few flaws, Christopher Reeve was absolutely perfect. R.I.P. Chris.
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He really is two people in that film. As soon as the glasses come off he changes. Body language,Voice, everything. It is amazing to watch.
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That should be framed and put on a wall. My wall.
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Say, Jim! Wooo! That's a BAD out.fit. Woooo!
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Hackman never hammed it up. He played it for laughs, but he didn't ham it up. Ned Beatty hammed it up, to be fair, but not Gene. I only mention this because I think Hackman's performance is what's missing from alot of today's ultra real ultra po-faced comic book adaptations. He shows that it's possible to get laughs but still retain menace.
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Wow. Just great.
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Simply awesome.
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Well, the portrayal of Superman, to be accurate. And that's a great picture.
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Agreed. Spacey was TOO much.
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He owes Reeves, Gibson, and the cast of Goonies alot of praise for some fun, entertaining performances. . . but seriously, take away the star power and he can't direct, pace, or edit a movie for crap.
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That said, it was the other Richard (Lester) who injected all that campy stuff into II and all of III (witness the opening montage, with blind mind pratfalls, flaming penguin toys, etc).<p> I still want to see Ursa nude
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I remember the first time I saw Superman as a kid. The camera moving over the Daily Planet Globe into the sky... the glory of Krypton... And the most awesome superhero theme (God Bless John Williams for this) played to the most awesome credits EVER. (Theory: Brian Singer only made Superman Returns to have his name in this typo. Would make sense, because the rest of the movie, except Spacey's Luthor, was complete shits.) There are scenes from Donner's film that still define Superman for me. "Faster than a speeding train" and you see Christopher Reeve overtaking a freakin' train!! Best superhero pic ever, will never be topped. And best behind the scenes pic yet. Reeve really flew!!! I always thought they had the best blue screen technique or something, but this little trivia really made my day.
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performance EVER put to film. There will never be a more charming, inspiring, and completely perfect soulful and physical realization of a superhero. The greatest heroic performance for the greatest hero of all!
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That COMPLETELY made me grin like a fool with my 8 year-old self burstin' through. Thank you. I truly do tear up when hearing that iconic piece of music from Williams, and a few months ago I saw The Music Of John Williams at the Atlanta Symphony, and you better believe hearing his music live (including JAWS title theme, with inflatable shark menacing the musicians) made me teary on more then one moment. Thanks for this, and the other BTS pics you've been doing. So far, this one's my fave.
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It's incredibly beautiful.
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...and he should be everybody else's hero too. A fine man and an example to us all. There's only one Superman I think we all agree.
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An Ursa - Ms Tessmacher shower scene?
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I remember seeing the movie when it first came out. The cinema was full, so they put up an extra row of wooden (not very confy) chairs up front and I had the great pleasure to sit there. I still remember the seemingly never ending pre-credits and the bombastic score. I was totally hooked and stayed for the next screening, despite having a major numb butt. Great memories.
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WB's and Christopher Nolan is working on a new Superman flick together. Chris Nolan is not directing it, but do you know who I think should? No one other than Richard Donner. I hope they get Donner back. Donner and Nolan teaming up together would be great.
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Majesty; grandeur; light, charming humor; epic; romance; iconic power. Each of these descriptors perfectly apply to Superman The Movie. <p> <p> I don't know any other film that so perfectly combines tragic science fiction, authentic small town Americana, coming of age, big and modern metropolitan life, triumphant heroism, and the humanity of a god.
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The single-greatest superhero movie ever made (sorry, Spidey 2). Richard Donner needs to direct every Superman movie made from here on out.
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fun pic. Chris was one great actor who was so good as Superman he had me watching him time travel in a chick flick and make out with Michael caine a couple years later. for a while i'd watch anything he was in. <P> then he did superman IV and the love affair was over...
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His Lex always feels right. Kind of like I have to assume MISS TESCHMACHER!!!!!! feels. (Sorry, but damn!) I would pay Hackman real money to have him yawp CAPTAIN CAAAAY-VE MAAAAYYYYUUUUUNNNN just once.
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How's the quality? Do the wires show? Love Supes 1 and 2, want copies in my coffin when I die.
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There will never be a better depiction/personification of Superman or any other hero than Christopher Reeve as Superman. Mr. Reeve not only perfectly and completely resembled the Man of Steel physically, he also captured the humanity, kindness, decency, charm, warmth, and awe-inspiring, larger-than-life presence of the Greatest Hero Who Ever Lived. <p> <p> Artist Gary Frank's version of Superman is the most successful and real Superman design yet because it is inspired by Christopher Reeve. <p> <p> Christopher Reeve is and forever will be... SUPERMAN!!!
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The best film translation of a superhero costume and character.
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That's the magic of Reeve as Superman. Never to be duplicated again.
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July 20, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST
Without doubt one of my absolute favorite films.
by The Gospel According to Bastardface
And a big reason why I become a filmmaker.
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Not Tom Welling, not Brandon Routh, not Dean Cain, not Gerard Christopher, and not some bozo playing Superman in the Nolan film... Dare I say he was a better Superman than the great George Reeves.<br><br> Chris did it right. Perfectly. No one will ever top him.
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I was 11 when it came out. Classic.
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July 20, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST
Christopher Reeve might have been the best casting decision ever
by Mahaloth
That man was Superman. I can't believe he didn't become a huge actor in other movies throughout the 80's. Handsome, intelligent, great actor. He just got typecast very early.
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July 20, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST
YO NOLAN - forget recasting again and gives us CGI REEVE!!
by CARTMANEZ
im serious...the tech is pretty much there to do it...
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(no, nooooo, talkback too positive!) Alright, fine! I have no problem with Reeve. (He really was awesome.) Time for the score!
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Nice one!
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I LOVED Superman 1 and 2 when I was a kid. LOVED them. But now? They're BOTH pretty lame. I mean, okay, PERFECT soundtrack, amazing Krypton intro, and good casting, but boring, silly, outrageously campy, and totally corny story. That ENDLESS sequence in part one where Lois is "talk singing" to Supes in her mind may very well be the most embarrassingly awful thing I have ever seen in my entire life. If not THE most, then def in the top ten. <br><br>That said, Zod is 10 kinds of awesome. But I kinda hate that Luthor is portrayed as such a bumbling jackass.
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Greatest. Superhero. Film. Ever.
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To be honest, I gave up that debate a long time ago. Both gents were perfect as Superman in their respective time and place. I raise my glass to the both of them.
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That would be THE DARK KNIGHT.
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"...a friend..."<p> You know a movie is perfect when the passing of time does not cheapen its value, and you are transported into its world each time you watch it, no matter HOW many times you watch it. For me, the list is only 3 movies long:<p> Casablanca<p> Gone With The Wind<p> Superman<p> If all that remains of the human record is a preserved recording of these three films, whatever life comes after us and finds them, if they learn nothing else about humanity, they will say to one another, "Whoever these people were, they certainly knew how to tell a story."
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Doesn't look familiar. Maybe it's just a test...?
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the backgrounds onto retroreflective scotchlite clear glass bead covered screens. These screens will only reflect light back into the direction from which it came. They would angle a mirror at 45 degrees off to the side of the camera. The projector was pointed directly at the mirror. the mirror would refract the image directly into the screen. This allowed Reeves to preform in front of a scene he could observe, so he adjust his preformance- vs a blue/greenscreen. <P> The same scotchlite projection screen trick was used for the apes scenes in 2001 to make the sky and background of africa, and you would never know it was used unless someone told you.
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was surrounded by bumbling, that is why it's so funny. I mean, surely we can find the "I'm-oh-so-serious-bad-ass" villain in other movies. "Otisburg?" "OTISBURG!"
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July 20, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST
Yup, Chris Reeve was the best Supes
by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole
No one will ever come close. It must be a bit of a downer for Nolan knowing however good his Superman will be, it will always come second to the Dick Donner/Reeve original.
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was the day Christopher Reeve passed away. That was heartbreak on an epidemic scale. I'm pretty sure all of us cried. Rest well, Mr. Reeve, and know that you will always be our hero.
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He's a bonafide sociopathic SuperGenius, knows all the angles, plays all the angles, and is as cold as ice -- he's arrogant, but backs it up with cold, decisive action. In the Donner movies he's played like the straight-man from a Three Stooges short.
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You're right on all the way. I can see old school arguments that George Reeves is the best Superman, because I love his performance too and can imagine the devotion felt by people of that era. But overall, only Christopher Reeve has ever and will capture Superman so perfectly and completely in mind, body, and spirit. He IS Superman! And that is amazing!
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Right on with the pimp "bad outfit" quote. Got me cackling in the office
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Bale - loves ya; Keaton - loves ya; Ferrigno - you the man; but Reeve stands at the top of the pile with his cape blowing eternally in the fanboy breeze. Quint - you've made my week with this. Now lets see the catering crew kneeling before Zod.
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will be Supes fighting Nuclear Man in IV, with a kidnapped Muriel Hemingway breathing in space without a suit/mask. Muriel, BTW, was great rub-it fodder
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July 20, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST
I Think It's A Pretty Safe Bet That Nolan's Will Bury Donner's
by LaserPants
I mean, come on. Nolan just recently proved, again, that he's a friggin' film-making genius. Donner, not so much.
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If you call this movie "campy" or "corny" then you need to watch the opening sequence again. The film wasn't trying to be Batman Begins - a superhero movie grounded in dirty, gritty reality. It was trying to be a living, breathing technicolor comic book. Batman is a brooding, dark, and conflicted superhero. He is a direct descendant of the Greek tragedies where the hero fights a hopeless battle and never finds peace for himself.<p> Superman, on the other hand, is a Greek tragedy as told by the imagination of a child; the tragic parts are delicately painted with quick broad strokes, the moments of heroism are peppered with lighthearted silliness and innocent banter. Superman doesn't wax romantic to Lois Lane like a Shakespearean monologue - he reminds her that flying is actually one of the safest methods of transportation. He doesn't tell her he loves her - he tells her he is her friend. He flies away waving bye-bye to her.<p> And I think this is what makes Superman The Motion Picture such a wonderful movie. Its an adult story told to adults through the vocabulary and limitless innocent imagination of a child.<p> I'll take a campy and corny Superman over an angsty brooding emo man in a black, nipple sporting scuba suit any day of the week.
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when you know I will kill you for it?<p> KNEEL before Zod
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Before someone mentioned Tom Hardy too; I could *maybe* see that. Or that Joseph Gordon-Levitt guy, but he'd have to bulk up.
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This is a talkback for Christopher Reeve, not premature, unsubstantiated proclamations that Nolan is the greatest genius in film history and thus a future film he won't even direct will be superior to the quintessential superhero epic.
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After that it takes a bullet train to Campsville.
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That stupid Lois love poem. Yuck.<p>Tesschmacher in that black outfit? Ohhbaby..
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July 20, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST
LaserPants - I know the comic is different, but sometimes
by A_Clockwork_Irony
changes for the movie make it not only accessible, but actually fun. Watching actors on a screen allows for this. YES, many, many times, it doesn't work, but I thought the Lex was just so much fun, and at the end of the day, Lex is still evil. And I think Hollywood has lost the childhood magic and replaced it with dark cynicism, which I love a lot, or think that CHILDhood magic means dumbing it down for a child, so to speak, when it has nothing to do with age.
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Truly eloquent stuff!
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One day this may well be a movie. It would certainly be an interesting one. Interesting theories, but that's all they are. There is no definitive proof of course. If this was true though- no director in history will ever have the right to say they are better than the Kub! Kind of funny if you think about it Orson fakes an alien invasion on the radio, Kubrick puts us on the moon. Two of the largest cinematic geniuses.
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lol, wasn't mocking!
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July 20, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST
Even Nolan Admits He Stands In The Long Shadow Of This Film
by Acquanetta
But let's not pretend that CGI- if it had been available to the filmmakers at the time- would NOT have been employed. They certainly didn't limit themselves to 1950s technology and force Christopher Reeve to springboard himself over the camera.
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Got it. <br><br>Btw, I NEVER said that Nolan was the greatest genius in film history -- that would be Kubrick -- but he is a bonafide master of the form, definitely. If you don't believe me, see the films he's made in the past 10 years alone -- Memento, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and Inception -- and get back to me when you wipe the cum off your keyboard.
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Out of the ballpark, mate. Looks like they were testing the suit/wires. I wished Singer had done more practical effects with his endeavor. I feel a little better with Nolan behind the wheel, don't you?
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Totally did not take offense or misinterpret.
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Don’t matter what Nolan and WB do! We will never see the likes of Superman the Movie ever again! Best superhero movie ever made! I caught it on TV (with the extra bits!!!) the other day. The distant wide angle shot of the desert after he discovers Lois’ dead body in the car. He’s just standing there, back towards the camera, cape billowing in the wind. Hardly a sound to be heard. Amazing!
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It seemed like you were using this talkback to make random declarations of Nolan's genius when clearly that is not the topic of discussion. Nolan is not even directing the Superman film currently in production. And to say that a yet to be made film he is not even directing will be superior to the quintessential superhero epic Donner crafted is an act of excessive Nolan fanboyism imposed on this Christopher Reeve talkback.
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Why does avoiding the campiness of the original Donner movies (oh, and they are campy as all hell) mean it HAS to be a dark, brooding, cynical film? You know that there are gradations of human communication and artistic expression, right? It's not automatically black and white as so many of you seem to believe. Not being Flash Gordon doesn't automatically mean it's going to be Taxi Driver. <br><br>For example, I think Morrison's ALL STAR SUPERMAN is, hands down, the greatest Superman comic EVER and would make an AMAZING film; there's nothing even *remotely* dark and cynical about it. It's pretty light-hearted and kind, and when it does get emotional, you really feel it, and it really matters, and it never, EVER gets mawkish or campy. How about something like that for a GOOD Superman movie, instead of some mawkish, campy bullshit?
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Before I get flamed, you know this to be true - even though he won't be directing. Nolan is the most cerebral film maker since Kubrick and, like Kubrick, his films lack heart. All his films are excellent, but your soul feels its been submerged in ice cold water for two hours. Donner's films made your soul soar. That's how a Superman film should make you feel.
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It's just untouchable.
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Lois love-poem and all. Perfect opening, transitioning from the comic book to the Daily Planet globe, then to Krypton. Not the biggest fan of the actor who plaid young Clark--seemed a little old for not looking anything like Christopher Reeve--but everybody else was pitch-perfect casting (Margot Kidder as Lois Lane? Perfect). The perfect super hero movie, and it laid the ground work for future super hero movies. And only with Spiderman 2 and The Incredibles has anything come close to the brilliant juxtaposition of talent and technical skill and creativity that made Superman, the Motion Picture.<br><br>Was absolutely my favorite movie for years. Still in the top 10.
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Great movie.
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cradles the lifeless body of Lois Lane, before blasting into the sky full of rage is even close to campy. In fact, it's arguably the most emotionally powerful moment in superhero film history.
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In 1977 I was a guest of production designer John Barry at Pinewood, and I stood on the giant james Bond stage - and Superman FLEW OVER MY HEAD!!!!!! And it was Chris Reeve up there too. It was a rehearsal on the moonscape from Superman 2 and for a minute I was 12 years old again....'sigh' Chris actually autographed a comic for me and said it was his first ever autograph as Superman. Collectors item I think and I still have it! RIP Mr R.
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That's not what he says?
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You *felt* Superman's strength. And it all felt real. Most other Superhero movies, not so much.<br><br>And that movie is full of great lines.
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Adams before Mcfarlane
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went into RKDN's line of thought. You're right. I can only say that it's hard to find a performance like Hackman's in that genre that makes me laugh as much. I guess it's the performance and not the interpretation that I love.
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Superman had *some* camp, but overall it's sheer epicnessity. And it was the 70s. Maybe people were just campy back then. Anyway you can't pin it on Donner, if you just watch Omen obviously he's not a campy person. <P> Seriously, if you don't love Superman I don't know what to do with you.
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Just wanted to say you consistently top every other contributor here with the best columns/features/reviews. Keep it up, you're the main reason I visit.
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take on Superman. Superman is heart, charm, and hope. He is the ultimate source of optimism and possibility. Just looking at him makes you say "Aw, shucks" and "Gee whiz." I don't think either Nolan or Goyer, who dwell in the dark and brooding, can channel that light charm, optimism, and downright decency.
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There, I said it.
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a powerful moment all but BLASTED TO THE WINDS by having the Man of Steel then inexplicably turn back time by making the world go backwards by flying in the other direction really fast. No, this doesn't throw gravity out of wack and kill everyone on Earth, it turns time backwards. Yeah, that's NOT campy and ridiculous and retarded at all! Please.
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But if you start out saying the Donner film sucked, you're starting off on the wrong foot. Just like Singer started out on the wrong foot when he decided to do a shot-by-shot remake of the Donner film. <br><br> "Lex Luthor? Check. Real estate scheme? Check. Kryptonite meteor from Addis-Abeba? Check. Female sidekick for Luthor to abuse? Check? Superman now a stalker? Well, that's not in the original film, but it sounds hot. And change 'American Way' to 'all that stuff' and it's a sure hit!"
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I wish I was standing right next to you, looking up at Reeve, awe-struck.
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They're solid films with excellent style, but I just don't see much substance to them. Ultimately, they strike me as somewhat dreary and lifeless. After a few years, when all the wanted-coolness we're projecting into them fades, they won't hold up as well.<p>And I say this as a huge fan of Memento, and someone looking forward to seeing Inception.
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And Midnight Cowboy. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
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Did you just discover visual effects? It's called FRONT projection dude, Jesus. No big deal. The 3m stuff is actually what they're wearing in the Krypton scenes, too. There WAS bluescreen in Superman, and in some scenes his suit is green instead of blue for exactly that reason. They may have corrected that more recently though. Go read a bit more so you can get a handle on when you're making a mountain out of a molehill, kid. I'm glad you love it, but just sayin'.
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The man is attached to the greatest franchises in cinematic history, The Godfather and Superman! <p>
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If new films were 25% as cool as Superman the movie was, the world would be better off. By the way, the Donner cut of Superman II is ridonkulous.
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Nolan's Superman won't be Donner's. But that doesn't mean it will be nuclear winter.
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It's all just subjective opinions anyways!
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If you have a boss you wanna butter up, I'd say that line will do the trick.
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How any future interpretation of the franchise is taken. It will either emulate or try to separate from Nolan's vision. Probably emulate. Except for some of the suit (which was now given an interesting and plausible explanation), Nolan's movies owe very little to anything that came before them (in terms of the Batman franchise). They may not be Superman: The Movie, but they are signature interpretations of the character that will be around for a long time to come.
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Dude, really? Cmon. MIDNIGHT COWBOY and THE FRENCH CONNECTION are both WAAAAAAY fuckin' better than SUPERMAN. Are you crazy?
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Superman: "So ... you're married." <P> Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?" <P> Superman: *Circles Earth, lands on Day 1*
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I let my five year old nephew watch this movie the other night for the first time and he loved it. His first observation " why is Lois Lane not so pretty in this one?" he said " she is prettier in the cartoon" . I gotta admit the kid was right. The pimp scene and the cat burgalur scene had him cracking up. I had to skip back to those scenes more than once, all week long I hear " Whoa Jim,say thats a baaaad outfit". Superman's reaction was classic. Then Superman 3 happened........ wow. Opening montage is enough to make me vomit. Why can a real Superman movie not be made?
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We see superman looking, and listening to the epic disaster around him, that is far too much for him to figure out a solution for. He closes his eyes and we are treated to a flash through scene that shows us every eventful moment with in his life. From the stars and planets streaming over the crystal canopy of his spaceship as he ages inside it, on it's journey to earth, and every other major even in his life that pushed him into the hero/man he became. Then we cut 1:1 time back into the events that lead up to what will be the end of this film. Until we return back to this end scene, and then superman opens his eyes and fixes the problem like only a superhero can. There is all the Heart Nolan will need.
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July 20, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST
The moment was not ruined at all. It was perfectly concluded
by Kal Reeve
It shifted from heartbreak and hopelessness to rage and ultimately to a fantastic act of godlike superheroism in one dynamic sequence. The science of superheroes are 90 percent fantasy and have always been. You can't expect a fantastic tale to not be fantastic, especially in a climactic moment designed to capture the hearts and minds of children and leave them in a state of awe-inspired wonder.
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I did read, somewhat recently, that Donner was pushing for a non-campy Superman. This wish, however, appears to remain unfulfilled... that is, until Nolan's version comes out.
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Consists of two different color palettes. Dark hues and greyscales for Gotham while Metropolis screams technicolor! It's important that Nolan knows this if he's to take on Superman.
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July 20, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST
ABOM - IT WOULD BE TITS IF YOUR BOSS IS NAMED JIM, TOO
by BringingSexyBack
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I think the only way to do Superman these days - apart from the best way, which would be full-on anti-cynical bravado and sunshine - is to find a thoughtful way to contrast his sort of supernatural purity, almost naievete, with the negative, cynical, ironic hopelessness of this day and age - without demeaning the nobility of that idealized Superman. <p>Nolan's more than capable of depicting the dark/gritty, as we've seen in prety much all his films. If he can drop the hopeful essence of Superman into the middle of that, it could be pretty amazing. If he wants to undermine the idealization too much, then it will probably fail.<p>Nolan's got the technical chops - I hope he succeeds. But, sheesh, what actor will convince us as Superman? Hamm looks like a good bet, but what a task.
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Of course, there's a certain level of suspension of disbelief that comes with anything, moreso with superheroes and fantasy; but even then, they have to be consistent with the world they're set in. NOTHING until the last few minutes in Superman: The Movie sets up that Supes can fundamentally alter the laws of time, space, and physics on a whim. Yeah, he can fly and has superhuman strength, but NOWHERE is it ever implied that he can arbitrarily rewrite the rules of the cosmos. He's not a god, he's *godlike*. Arbitrarily pulling that outta the sky is called deus ex machina and is a hallmark of bad, lazy, silly writing.
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WHAT DA HELL WAS THAT----Thing? <p> He's flies back and changes history AGAIN?
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I remember missing superman the movie at the cinema. My bastard parents wouldn't take me. However when Superman 2 came out they presented it as a double bill with the first one. I loved those movies, but particularly the first one. To this day, 30 years later it remains my favourite film of all time, with Chris Reeves being my hero. For those that were asking if the blu-ray is worth it, HELL-YEAH! Go and buy it. It's not pefect, but it's certainly teh best I have seen this film look. The red, yellow and blue are stunning. Colour has been corrected from the near green colour they had to use to prevent his suit being invisible against the background. Stunning. Happy to say I watched this with my son only last weekend, and he also fell in love with it. Good boy.
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Look man. What you love about Superman is what Donner brought to the table. Even casting Phyllis Thaxter whose few lines could melt your heart. All that campy stuff is pure Salkinds. Donner and Mankiewicz brought the real magic. Even if Superman's not your favorite movie, don't at least blame Donner. He captured it - that ever elusive lightning in a bottle. Bless him.
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and the rest of the world is for a short period of time is a very interesting plot to play with. Granted in the original comic the sun had nothing to do with his power. His race was super, and thats it. His father ran home faster than a car to witness the birth of his son. Now somehow we are in a sun plot. and Kryptons red sun made the kryptonians normal a yellow sun makes them super.So if the sun goes red wouldnt superman be normal and the rest of the world super. aliens could do that shit to bring superman down, then turn it off after having him killed. Or something like that, to take over the world and win over all of mankind.
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they will make it about Clark's high school years. In fact, let's just fucking TWEEN EVERY FUCKING FRANCHISE! "Blade, you realize we are non-tolerance, please report to the principal's office"
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Everything I hear about Nolan's reboot fills me with dread. Based on the John Byrne Superman? That says a powered down Superman to me. Goyer writing? Hell no. <p> Nolan once even talked about his dislike for Superman and I'm worried that Warners will bend over backwards for him just because of his track record and not actually stop and think about what he's doing. <p> John Hamm as Superman? That's the rumor and it scares the hell out of me. <p> Why do Warners keep thinking that Superman has to be fixed? Just do an origin story, forget costume changes, kids and Krypton not blowing up just tell a Superman story. <p> And don't depower him. Making Superman weaker just shows that the writer is creatively bankrupt. Rather than weaking Superman or trying to make him relatable they should be pushing him to his limit and making him inspiring.
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I do LOVE what they got right -- Krypton, Supes' personality, and the soundtrack. Of those things I think the soundtrack is especially EPIC, perfect, and unassailable. I have no idea how they could ever possibly top that. It actually still gives me goosebumps -- it's like the music of striving to reach ultimate human potential and succeeding no matter what the odds. Love it. I just wish the movie it wrapped around was nearly as good. Imho, of course, I'm not pretending to be the guy with the definitive opinion.
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I wish they would cgi him as a cameo in the GL movie.
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Clark with his "mom" in the wheat field. Holy shit! With that cue! Flipp'n sweet!
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If he had played it straight and seriously like fans wanted Superman in those blue tights would have looked silly in comparison. It would have ruined Reeve's genuine sincere performance. By playing it for laughs, Hackman and Ned Beatty let Reeve be the straight man in those scenes.
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holds a special place in my heart...that first scene where he opens his shirt to reveal the Superman "S" is one of the best things ever!i still get teary eyed ever time i see it. Christoper Reeve dying was indeed a sad moment.
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The total opposite of Chris Reeves, That's where the new one failed, on top of a bunch of other screw-ups it was too much of a sappyloveletta to the Donner films. <p> They should cast someone that looked like he escaped an Alex Ross painting. Older, bigger much more muscular guy with an intimidating presence a square jaw and a boy scout smile... then you got something. Oh and please throw in a Super-sized bad guy or two. Metallo, Darkseid anybody but real estate Lex.
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Super-boner.
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"Can I kneel before Ursa instead?"
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July 20, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST
vadakinX, You Should Be Pushing for ALL STAR SUPERMAN, Then
by LaserPants
It's, hands down, the greatest Superman story ever written. And Morrison, genius that he is, manages to make Superman one of comic bookdoms most compelling characters by powering him up. If anything, he's MORE powerful in that comic, but he does it in such a way that it elevates not only the character, but the artform itself, to a level seldom seen in American mainstream comics. If you haven't read it, do so with all deliberate haste!
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This movie was magical... always will be.
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Right after the cornfield scene I always loved the transition from the clouds fading into the smelly busy dark and wet streets of Metropolis. <p> Awesome.
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July 20, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST
BSB, Woulda Been Awesome If Zod Facefucked the Prez to Death
by LaserPants
Takashii Miike's SUPERMAN
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Reeve will always be the quintessential Supes. But I gotta say, that part where he drops Lois Lane's dead body and lets out a little "ooo" sound made me laugh when I was 12, and it still does. That one bit ruins the scene for me, I have since realized it's the only scene in the entire movie I feel like Reeve is "acting".
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green jolly rancher sticks. But did I find an awesome fortress! No, no matter how far I walked and worried my folks.
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I actually don't like the first few issues. Giving Lois Lane superpowers for a day just seems irresponsible and Jimmy being Doomsday is just stupid. Yes I know it's a throwback to the silver age but still....aside from that it's cool. <p> Actually I think the animated series got everything spot on...except Superman himself. Lois was perfect, Jimmy was great. Lex was perfect. Granted I'd prefer a Coluan Brainiac but the animated series was wonderfully executed.....mostly. <p> The problem was Superman himself, who flinched at bullets, jumped into action without thinking and was really hotheaded and lacked any real power. <p> Take the Superman from All-Star, put him into the animated series and you've got the basis for a damn fine Superman movie. In fact if it was up to me, I'd bring Dini, Timm and Morrison on as writers. <p> Actually as a writer myself, Superman would be my dream job but Warners don't know or care about my existence :P
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Great. Now I got a mental image of E.G. Marshall blowing Terrence Stamp. Oy.
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"Would you like to see a long arm Otis?'
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I don't think any film I've ever seen in a theater affected me the way Donner's SUPERMAN did on first viewing. That score, those titles...just awesome! The greatness of this film was total vindication for a twelve year old kid hooked on comic books. Thanks for the great pic!
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Just so you know they where shooting superman 1 and 2 at the same time to finish one they took the ending to 2. They where going to rewrite the ending to 2. but Donner got fired. And lester took over. So when they did the Donner cut it was all they had. You can't really blame them man.
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OTISBURG?!? And let's not forget, "My attorney will be in touch with you about the damages to the door." Lol!
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perfect background music to reads these posts... solid.
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a couple of times when i was a kid. I don't know how my mom put up with me constantly telling her to watch the TV every time Superman flies. <br><br> I kind of love the Chris Reeve love in this talk back. Its like meeting everyone before they became cynical trolls (;p) <br><br> I worry Nolan's Supes will lose the fun of the original. Im looking forward to the advances in visual technology, but I will miss Dick Donner's "Say Jim, that is a bad out-fit! Woo!"
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July 20, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST
LaserPants, I absolutely agree with you that All Star Superman..
by Kal Reeve
is magnificent. If I were to put three Superman stories in a time capsule for the future to read, it would definitely be one of them.
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Anyone see that? Brilliant. Luthor says how Superman with his great speed still couldn't stop both missiles and Superman, taking offense to that, disappears and comes back a second later with both missiles. Love it. <p> It's true too. He struggles to catch one missile and gets nowhere near the second but a few minutes later he's flying at the speed of light around the world...yeah...oops. <p> Love that movie though. When Superman first appears to catch Lois and the Helicopter and the Superman March plays as the crowd looks up in awe - THAT is what the next Superman should be. That moment was perfect. Absolutely perfect as it depicted the sheer wonder of Superman. <p> The plane sequence in Superman Returns almost recaptured that magic but failed at the end when the crowd started to cheer too soon. They should have waited until Supes came back out of the plane and only then erupted in applause.
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I knowthe history, I dont blame Donner <p> I just waited years to watch this thing and when It was finally released I bought a copy, ran home, bolted the doors and windows and popped it in and it was horrible in some places while cool in others and what the hell at the end. <p> I was pleased to have seen some of the (test) footage, Honestly, I could've done without that experience.
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and you just marvel at that cast. well 4 was awful. and we wont talk SG the movie. they should remake that.
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is the opening credits. The music tricks you into believing that the movie is going to awesome. But then, you realize that this is more an homage than an actual movie.
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That falls to Jonathan Nolan stepping up to his freshman effort no less. Talk about brown trousers every day for the duration of the shoot. What a huge ask for a first film. He has a chance if he keeps the Nolan production team together. Wally Pfister in particular could be key. <br><br> Reeves and Donner nailed the fact that Superman is effectively an Alien who is really like a high functioning Chancy Gardiner from Being There. The fact he has all the super powers makes it all the more compelling. <br><br> If they get that theme of innocence back, which couldn't be more relevant and apt in the times we live in then it will be awesome.
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The man created four utterly iconic cinema themes. Absolutely a giant of his profession and a genius. My kid knows the Jaws theme and he's 2 (and hasn't seen the movie). Anyway, this picture is very cool indeed. A few in this series have just been dudes standing around talking, but this one, along with the Alien and Harryhausen pics, show true movie magic in progress.
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Was it "ooo!" or "ohh!"? I can't remember. LMAO for no good reason. More death scenes need "ooo!" Maybe Vader's death. Or Yoda's.
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Put like 2 or 3 a day at least!
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I knew we could find common ground! :D<br><br>I'd also include "For The Man Who Has Everything" and "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" by Moore in that time capsule.
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immortal among mortals, a musical genius.
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Oh! Totally agreed that the Timm animated Superman is pitch perfect. I'm a HUGE fan of the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series' as well. A Dini, Timm, and Morrison (I'd include Johns here as well) helmed (or at least heavily consulted) Superman film would be incredible.
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It looks AMAZING! <p> The scene that floors me everytime is the scene of Mrs. Kent walking up to Clark in the wheat field and he says he needs to leave. <p> The cinematography of that shot is glorious. So perfectly captured. <p> I love the first half of the film more than the second, and I love the second half too. Brando... Glen Ford... they gave weight to the small roles they had. <p> Greatest comic book film... ever.
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Thank you
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(go ahead and roll 'em!) When he put out Azkaban, I was beside myself. The first two Potter scores had great moments, but Azkaban was like Close Encounters all over again, in that it was a whole new creature. The man never ceases to amaze.
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July 20, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
I'm in the "Supes goes back in time, not Earth" camp...
by Billyeveryteen
Yeah, Earth rotating back-wards is Kal-El's POV, not physically turning the Earth himself.
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nice shot
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IS Superman. He carried the role with dignity. <p> He Clark was even better. He crossed the line between being clumsy or being a fool. <p> An underrated actor.
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I used to defend Singer's version, but no more. I don't see it as the debacle that some do, but it only gets by because it cribs so heavily from a superior (though less technologically acccomplished and slick) film. Just a missed opportunity, like a two-foot birdie putt with no break that somehow slides by the cup anyway...
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The Star Wars music is so iconic and so powerful and so awesome that it almost fools you into thinking the post-original trilogy stuff is also going to be great. It doesn't quite do that (what could, really?), but every time I hear that music, I'm that 5 year old in the theatre way back in '77 having my psyche rearranged for awesomeness. The Superman theme does the same thing for me even though I don't really care for the movies anymore. Definitely a testament to the composing genius of Williams.
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First it's Goyer's story and he isn't a great writer. Plus I get the feeling he's trying to "fix" Superman and make him "relatable" but Clark Kent is already relatable. The trick is to make him just as real as Superman and not just a facade. <p> I'd actually go back and do an origin with Zod again. Partly because you don't need to explain Zod's powers and if you set Zod up as someone who trying to save us from ourselves by ruling us, while Superman wants to encourage us to save ourselves by inspiring us, it could be an interesting conflict, much more so than simple revenge. <p> I'd have Lex Luthor be orchestrating things for the long term, finally making his move three or four movies down the road but still having his hand in everything in the meantime. <p> Have Brainiac in the second film, not as a Kryptonian supercomputer but as something else. Darkseid in the third, going as big as you can possibly get and then strip it all away for the fourth movie with a personal war between Superman and Lex.
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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basically said something like what superman did would work. Now I don't remember what they said you needed to do but, it was flying in circles around the earth at speed of light would send you through time. Does anyone else remember this? It was on the other night?
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Reeves is great, but Singer let his own erotic fixation on him pollute the film to such an extreme that it was embarrassing and nearly unwatchable. I mean, that's cool, be gay for Superman, but let it make your obsession ruin him. I'd call it one of the top ten worst films of the decade along with both Bayformers movies and Domino.
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The Superman March is amazing, as Donner said, Williams managed to make the notes say "Superman" and I think Nolan and Goyer would be fools to abandon it. It's become more than just the theme for that version of the character. Like Kryptonite and Flight before it, the Williams theme (and the Krypton theme) has gone beyond the original version of Superman and become part of what makes the Superman legacy remarkable. <p> The Planet Krypton is another amazing theme. It's so simple but oh so epic.
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A minor point of the comic version of Wanted was that Christopher Reeve WAS Superman, and the villians messed with our memory and crippled him just to see him in a wheelchair. Also, Adam West and Burt Ward were actually Batman & Robin, but made to think they were washed-up TV actors. Of course, all of this was jettisoned from the film version.
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That is to say: "I mean, that's cool, be gay for Superman, but *don't* let your obsession ruin him."
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Keep the score.
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Keep the score.
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Jor-El twice warned his son that interfering with human history was forbidden. The warnings came in the Fortress and before Superman reversed time. <p> <p> I think Jor-El warning his son against interfering with human history implies that Superman (in the Donner films) has the ability to reverse time.
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when he was clearly on my TV while I watched TDK. Talk about your wormholes! I can only say the idea about faster than the speed of light where you (supposedly) can view the light that has past. But then we have the whole idea of light diminishing from Superman running into it, like when light hits a meteor, aw fuck, I don't know! (Cool show, though.)
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To say Donner's Superman was less technologically accomplished. It pushed the envelope for its time, and was supremely accomplished for its era. Unfair to judge it against standards that were nearly 30 years away from being set.
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Technically, if you go fast enough, you can travel *forward* in time. Time will still pass for you, but much slower -- so, your 15 minutes in a faster-then-light spacecraft would be like 150 years on Earth. <br><br>Traveling backwards through time, on the other hand, no matter how fast you go, is impossible. If anything, what woulda happened is that Supes would return to Earth a couple of hundred years later and everyone he knows would be dead.
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"For The Man Who Has Everything" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" would have to be in that capsule.
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yourself while traveling forward in time. (Which I guess would mean ever.) You would need to use a Nolan-kick.
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on the far left, smiling? man, he looked shorter on TV...
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*You will believe a man can fly*
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I took it to mean more that he can't interfere in human history in terms of politics and such (even though Superman would make a GREAT President). But, eh, whatever, I didn't like it and thought it was silly, but that's just my humble opinion.
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I know that, But they also said it was possible to go back in time. God for the life of me i wish i could remember what they said you had to do. Something with a black hole i think. It's on Science Channel. I am sure it will be on again.
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Of course, deep within Supes subconscious would be Krypton, alive and well just like in "For The Man Who Has Everything." (Which, btw, had the idea of things happening outside the dreamstate -- like Wonder Woman beating on Mongol and vice versa -- would register in the dreamstate as a tremor or earthquakes).
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quantum entanglement!!!!! That's how you would do it. It's to complicated to explain but it was really cool.
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Science is neat-o!
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One thing that always strikes me when watching that sequence was how great an ending it would have been for a Flash movie. Instead of an actual Treadmill, he could tap into the speed force going faster and faster until time starts to reverse itself but the effort almost kills him and he can never do it again. <p> Yes the science is bogus but it would have been a much better ending for Flash than for Superman.
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As long they set up that he can do that in the movie. I know in the comics he does freely move back and forth through time with the speedforce. And there's like, 20 different Flashes, and I think the current one is Barry Allen? Yeah, Barry. Great comic, btw, this Brightest Day FLASH "reboot."
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is the greatest comic book movie of all time. And it always will be. Everything else is copying it to some extent or another. The opening half hour of Superman is just unbelievably beautiful. Shit, I need to go watch it again. <p> All of todays hacks need to go and watch the scene where Brando says "And for that reason, above all others, I have sent them you... my only son" and his face turns to glass, revolves and the camera flies through the eye to reveal Superman for the first time, standing in the Fortress of Solitude. That, my friends, is movie magic. JJ Abrams and co couldn't come up with something like that in a million years.
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It is fantastical and unrealistic. But I think it's one of those moments that can only exist in a superhero movie, specifically Superman, who in the comics of the time could pretty much juggle planets. It's one of those moments written to inspire wonder and awe within children and return adults to the innocent wonderment of childhood. <p> <p> Unrealistic and implausible? Definitely. Fantastic and larger-than-life? I think so. <p> <p> But it's all good. I'm glad we were able to pan things out.
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July 20, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST
Am i alone in thinking B&R allstar was better then superman Alls
by RedBull_Werewolf
I enjoyed superman allstar, but the batman and robin one had me captivated, the artwork was alot better and i found i was sucked into the story more then i was while reading superman. It's a shame B&R AS will never be finished
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He doesn't make the entire world go back through time, just himself, so that he could avoid whatever tragedy befell in "real time." The wrinkle to this being that he will have created a divergent time-line by doing so, with the usual tragic consequences.
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We're all friends here!
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it was a silver age Superman story from the early 70's maybe late 60's<p> Superman was going to visit the Legion but when it cam time to go back in time the Time Trapper and erected a barrier that prevented him from going back in time
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Cheers to that, Laser!
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so he kept going forward in time, stopping along the way<p> Finally reached a point where earth was lifeless and barren<p> He split the planet in half and welded the two halves together<p> Then went to other worlds, gathered atmosphere, water, and critters including primitive humanoids to repopulate <p> Aftwards he pushed on thru time to reach the end of time but somehow bypassed the end of time and went from the begining of the universe all the way back to the moment he left<p> Not as good as *The man who has everything* but it's stuck with me since I was a kid
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But Superman 2? KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
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Why so surprised? http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=29&Itemid=46
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NOBODY has done it better than these two guys. Nolan has a very high bar to reach.
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man he'd gotten so stupidly powerful prior to that<p> One story had him trapped in a black hole and escaping by stirring it backwards<p> I mean... c'mon
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Superman's first night out, he rescues a cat from a tree and flies off, the little girl runs into the house and frantically tells her mom what just transpired outside. <p> With the camera still focused outside the front door, the mother yells at the child in disbelief and you can clearly hear a slap afterwards. I'll bet that ABUSIVE Bitch felt pretty stupid after that Lois Lane's article hit the newsstands
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to make Brainiac cool again<p> Milton Fine, pffft
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July 20, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST
I'M AGAINST C-NO REUSING THE WILLIAMS SCORE AND HERE'S WHY
by BringingSexyBack
Call me sappy but I happen to think that score belongs to Reeve. Best of luck with the new movie, I hope it's a great one, but please do a new score. Cuz truth be told, it's impossible to match the magic of S:TM and using its score, to me, will be nothing but a gimmick.
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That site is HILARIOUS! Hahaha! Thanks for posting!
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the movie...<br> Criticisms...<br> Everyone was so stupid<br> No character in that move other than Clark and his parents should have been allowed to operate anything more sophisticated than a zipper<p> And this includes the writers<p> Just one example of recycled dialogue<p> Helicopter scene<br> Clark catches Lois and says *I got you*<br> Broad on the ground says *He got her*<p> Please, someone make a smart Superman in a world populated by smart people
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just the proper point would--" "Would destroy most of California. Millions of innocent people would die. And the West Coast as we know it would--" "Fall into the sea. Bye Bye, California. Hello, new West Coast. My West Coast..." AICN TBers can fill in the rest of this hilarious moment.
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July 20, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST
There are certain moments in my geek life that take me back.
by BooBoosDaddy
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I saw this at first release when I was 8 in 1978. I can still remember that scene--"..for this, I give them you, my only son." Cue that music and Reeve in the costume in the distance framed by the crystals. I can still to this day remember the mood shifting in the theater when, after an hour of backstory, we finally see him. And then he flew and banked to his left and the audience gasped. And the tagline "you'll believe a man can fly" held true.
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I saw this at first release when I was 8 in 1978. I can still remember that scene--"..for this, I give them you, my only son." Cue that music and Reeve in the costume in the distance framed by the crystals. I can still to this day remember the mood shifting in the theater when, after an hour of backstory, we finally see him. And then he flew and banked to his left and the audience gasped. And the tagline "you'll believe a man can fly" held true.
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no fucking lex luthor real estate villain
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the opening of Superman The Movie with the theme is some of the best drugs ever
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Solid writing and a portrayal of Superman which further humanized him, but did not stray from the iconic, legendary mythology.
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the mayors an idiot but he has friends who are very motivated
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*<--- Investing in Otisburg*
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I was born just after Superman The Movie was released. If time travel was possible, I'd attend the opening night of Superman.
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it has something to do with a back arrow<bp> *I'll be investing in Otisberg*
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it is impossible to travel to your own past<br> You spin, slip, spiral off into an alternative universe's past<p> The universe where you were cool in high school
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As much as a Star Wars fanatic as I am, I can honestly say that John Williams brilliant theme for Superman is hands down the best theme of all time...better than Star Wars, better than Indy...better than Jaws...all his works of course, but he has never topped Superman.
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yeah, there was a palpable shifting in the seats as the music started up. I remember hearing gasps as he flew. This was the first major motion picture of a superhero. The lead ins were big budget teasers of a camera going through clouds and such. There really weren't a lot of ads showing too much Reeve in flight. Even the newspaper ads were one sheets of the silver S with the lightning going through it or a shot of hands opening a shirt. So this was the make or break moment in the film. Opening night, 1978, 8 years old. Still remember that feeling of "Wow, it really IS Superman on the big screen. He's REALLY FLYING."
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1996 'toon...hottest Lois Lane EVER. Dana Delaney's phone sex voice, those lavendar eyes, those LEGS in that SKIRT...<BR><BR>To quote Marv in Sin City, "The perfect woman...the GODDESS."
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the minute he refused to play Luthor bald. Savalas and Bryner were the most famous bald men on the planet at the time - were they even asked? (not counting Puzo's campy Kojack cameo)
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She's no Miss Tessmacher, that's true. But I'd send my missle her way regardless.
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I believe casting Hackman was one of the main reasons the film was made. Him and Brando got the studio interested without them i think the financing would have fallen through. I know the WB had a Negative pickup deal. Meaning they would pick it up if they liked it. So the Salkinds where doing a huge gamble to even get a film like that made. In the 70's when people thought superheros they thought campy batman tv show.
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And so true. Further testimony to how understatedly brilliant the film was, that the sheer power of the talent of those involved overcame what could have come across as silly.<p>The first Iron Man pretty much pulled it off in reverse, but apart from that, I can't think of another film that's used the relative tones of characters that way.<p>Nolan's Batman films, for me, fail in that sense. All the characters seem somewhat equally constipated, and slightly bemused with Bale.
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Wish I had said that earlier. Better late than never.
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released on blu-ray. Repeat- Superman 2 has never been released in high-def. I'd sure like to see it. I believe there was this fetid pile of year-old sea-cucumber intestines called the Richard Donner cut that was jammed into superman fan's mouths with a plunger chaser of liquid bowel discharge, but no actual superman 2 the movie. It's a really simple request. Release Superman 2 the motion picture on blu-ray.
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where "Superduperman" fights Captain Marvel.
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Greatest Superman there will ever be. Too bad they didn't allow Donner to finish series. All Supermen after Reeve will pale in comparison. They should CGI Reeve in Justice League movie, or it will suck as bad as those pictures of Ryan Reynolds as the ugly, unshaven Green Lantern.
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She's got the attitude down -- this smart, acerbic, ambitious, New York-y press lady -- but damn is she a fugly woman (imho; yes, I realize I'm being a shallow bastard here , I can't help it). There's gotta be some actress out there who can roll with that 'tude, AND be gorgeous, AND not look anorexic (like the Lois does in Singerman Regurgitates).
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was born a hag and totally miscast<p> They got Reeves and the theme right<br> And that's it
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but not her disturbingly fake tits
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... from a super is the amazing scene where we see Supes deep into the lava lifting the San Andreas plate back into place. That WAS Superman. And I think someone's Laser pants sliced their balls off with that laser.
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Patty Hearst was in the news and crone face looked similar
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I agree about Durance. She comes closest to capturing Lois Lane than any other actress ever has. It's just too bad we can't mix and match some of the best from the various incarnations.
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crap. Believe me, I WANT them(anyone!) to knock this out of the park. Now, I recetly saw Donner's cut, and found it entertaining.But man, all THE SUPERMAN films are pure cheese.They're not terrible...but they're just not good, and DON'T holdup.Thankfully, Nolan is involved...so we can actually have some hope for this seemingly cursed franchise.
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And can't help myself.
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July 20, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST
re: It's so sad that Superman: The Movie just isn't that good.
by NippleEffect
But Cris was that charismatic<p> Him and the theme cemented that movie into history
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NippleEffect.
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he wasn't Cris Reeves<p> He did a very fine job with what he was given
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The Superman theme is the friggin' 8th symphony of superhero scores
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Glad you enjoy it. It's like stepping into another dimension!
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the Christopher Reeve from that South Park episode<p> Twistin and squeezin and cracking open the spines of embryos for their stem cells
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July 20, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST
Williams'score+Opening Credits+Illegal substances
by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair
= Dimension leap
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to the wormhole sequence in 2001
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cocky bitch brass balls Lois
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wubs her
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July 20, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST
Superman I & II best versions of Jesus Christ
by DOCTOR_VICTOR_VON_DOOM
Especially part II, when Supes relinquishes his powers it is basically a sci-fi/supehero version of the Last Temptation of Christ with Supes having to turn away from the temptation of a life with Mary Magdalene-er, I mean Lois Lane, and fulfill his destiny. <P> Singer blew it by not having Superman Returns feature Supes getting whipped and scourged constantly.
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them concrete tits of hers are disturbing
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That was pretty decent.
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I never thought to try that. (And I have sat many, MANY hours trying to pick something out for me and "my friend". Damn, I'm not in a position to give it a whirl, but one day! Stay alive opening credits! I WILL find you!
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totally eff'ing hot Parker Posey
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As trippy title sequences go, you can try to "give a whirl" to some old 007 or Saul Bass opening credits, but Superman is still the real deal:)
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July 20, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST
All the Superman films are tacky garbage...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Apart from Reeves and the score, they are cheesy and dated time capsules, utterly embodying the worst of the late 70's excesses, much like the Roger Moore Bonds. The less said about the cheapo, Cannon produced parts 3 and 4 the better. And Singer's movie was just a rose-tinted love letter to them all, instead of being its own thing. The definitive Superman film has yet to be made. Let's hope Nolan or his brother have it in them.
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Which is pretty dang cool.
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Ever wonder where Clark Kent ot his first name?<p> Just take a look over yonder at Clark Savage Jr
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No other superhero movie, and there are some very good ones, lives up to the magic that Donner and co. gave us. Reeve was born to play Superman and oozed charisma, strength and charm as the Man of Steel. It had it all. Despite the limitations and stylings of late 70's cinema, it is still unequaled in the genre. RIP Chris.
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I can't believe the difference between the two cuts of that film. There's still a few corny things that are in the Donner cut, but the overall film is epic in feel compared to the theatrical release.
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the battle between Superman and Doomsday acuratly depicted
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I'm a little surprised I've never seen anyone dressed as him at a comic convention or Halloween. This is such a great TB, for all the Reeve love and the rabid, retroactive lust for Ursa and Miss Tessmacher.
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For the rest of the week's BTSP? I dunno if AICN can withstand that much positivity.
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The opening credits sequence is very funny, and I love the bit where the guy crashes over the fire hydrant and he's drowning in his car, and Superman rescues him.
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Didn't they shoot Supes at Elstree?
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LAME! Can we all agree on that? And I know Jon Cryer. He agrees! Okay, so I don't know Jon, but still, let's get together on this! Not just no air mask, but she fell as though there was gravity. How does a director miss this! Between this and Jaws the Revenge I really don't know. Go that way! You'll be malfunctioning in a . . . oh, sorry about that.
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It's the dude of steel!" <P> Eff you, Jon Cryer.
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I was a very young little kid when this came out, and I remember my mom convincing me that the director had taught Christopher Reeve to fly for the film. I was immediately pissed that he wasn't sharing this knowledge with the rest of us.
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Great pic. You can't even see the wires!Chris Reeves passed the torch to Tom Welling when he guest starred on smallville. He would make a perfect Alex Ross type Superman!
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Unless you are 12 y/o or have the mind of a 12 y/o. Sure I loved Superman 1 and 2, but I was a little kid. Now they are unwatchable.
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This is the best pic yet and this is a great column. Just awesome. I wait for the pic of the day. The Indy Jones pics are pretty damn good too, but this takes the #1 spot so far. Tough to beat this one.
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...were more epic in themselves than some movies have been! Awesome score throughout by John Williams, although they should never have used Lois's 'talking thoughts' through their flying scene, as it spoiled that part of his perfect score.<P>And the extra scenes that are now integrated into the DVD are terrific. Just wish they'd been part of the 'Theatrical' cut to begin with.<P>Brandon Routh I liked, but they really shouldn't have tried to ape the original so much, and the whole 'kid' storyline was totally misjudged. I'd give Brandon a second go though, ideally with a better director and properly-colored costume! Oh, and that was ANOTHER movie with a fucking dreadful coloration throughout, by the way.
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July 20, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST
1st half of "Superman" > All contemporary superhero movies
by Anything But Tangerines
objective FACT. It's a total masterpeice until the lex luthor crap shits the bed
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Just thought I'd post this before I go to bed. This is essentially my pitch for a Superman origin. <p> ----------------- <p> You know that scene in STM where Jor-El speaks to Clark and reveals the mystery of the universe and tells him what he needs to do? I want to do something like that. Only the message isn't to save the world or to enlighten humanity. There is no great purpose or destiny. The message delivered to him simply tells him to live. No guidance. No orders from beyond. Just live. And Clark decides to use his gifts to help people. This is the origin story I'd tell actually. He wants to help people, to save people. But he also wants a job. He wants to fall in love. Simple, basic things. So he has an idea. Why not do both? Why not help the world without the burden of fame and expectation? <p> Maybe as he stops a crime in Suicide Slums as a costumed hero, he can write about the Slums and try to expose them to the larger world as a reporter in the hope that it might help things improve. And the first few times he goes out to help people, it's faster than the blink of an eye. He's there and he's gone. He's a myth. A rumor. One that a certain Lois Lane doesn't put much stock in. And Clark is helping people. Doing what he can. Then something happens. A disaster. Something that he can't fly in and out of in a millisecond. He saves a hundred people in full view of the people of Metropolis, the press, which of course includes Lois Lane, and in turn the entire worlds. They stare in awe as he does the impossible before their eyes. <p> He doesn't answer questions. He checks that everyone is alright. Lois doesn't recognise him. And he leaves. He flies higher and higher. The cat is out of the bag. Clark is a public figure. But still...not entirely Clark...something else...something he doesn't quite understand. But now that the world knows about him, he continues. He helps people. He stops crimes, prevents disasters and not just in Metropolis but all over the world. And as he flies off, Lois is reminded of Nietsche. Of the Ubermensch. The Superman. But not Nietsche's Superman. Instead something pure and good and noble. Thanks to the Daily Planet, a failing paper boosted by Lois' eyewitness accounts of the Caped Wonders stunning endeavors, the name and the man spreads like wildfire. Superman. <p> But Clark is a farm boy. He's humble and not interested in becoming the icon the world is turning him into. He just wanted to help people. But as events unfold and the world faces unimaginable peril, Clark begins to understand that he can't save everyone. There are too many crimes, too many disasters, too many people to save. And even if he could save them all, they would become dependent on his presence, not thinking for themselves, afraid to risk and to progress. In the end Clark realises the truth. He IS Superman. He IS an icon. But not a figure of worship. Not a god. He is a man. Super, yes, but still just a man. And an inspiration. He asks for no reward, no praise or prayers. He helps when and where he can. His example inspires the people to follow his lead. To better themselves. Superman can't save everyone. But maybe he can give them the will to save themselves, to better themselves and as he flies over the city, protector and inspiration to all, Clark Kent has found his destiny, his purpose and it is Superman. <p> THAT is what I want to see. Clark isn't perfect. Superman isn't perfect. He didn't put on the suit and know immediately what decisions to make in every situation of his life. People say Superman isn't relatable. Well what about the story of a guy trying to find his place in the world? I think that works. Superman The Movie had him enter the Fortress a boy and exit a super-man. No fear. No doubt. Smallville has done a bit of what I'm talking about but I want to see it with Superman. What happens when he puts on the suit? When the world first sees him, how does he feel? I want to see Clark become Superman, not just in name but in spirit and attitude and in life. He is sent to Earth to survive. To live. And boy does he live! <p> ----------------------------------------------- <p> And that's it. Chris...you hiring? :P Goodnight all.
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Just saw Williams conduct a couple months ago, they did the Love Theme and the main Superman March. Nice montage playing over it too, though it was weirdly intersperesed with Batman clips and clips from S Returns. Like they couldn't find enough clips from just the Reeve films? They shoulda called me, I would've been happy to do one. It was a little strange. There's a video of it on youtube if you search for it, I don't have it handy.
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Really unexpected. I'm guessing there's a lot of people under the age of 25 posting on this talkback.
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I just bought SUPERMAN III on VHS for .50 cents at the local Goodwill. Worth it for 'evil Supes' and the junkyard showdown, but that's about it.
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I got it for $10 the day I saw Predators. Had to wash the taste of that piece of shit out of my mouth!
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Thanks for giving me a reason to visit this site everyday!<br><br> For those who are hating on Superman...eat shit and die. If you could take just a sec from sucking Chris Nolan's dick for awhile to go watch..which is still, the greatest superhero flick ever made by a major studio...Superman: The Movie.
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That movie is fucking awesome
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but anyone who defends Indy 4 deserves TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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That was funny!! I liked it when Clark goes into the photo booth to change and the photo booth takes a pic of him as Superman, and Supes runs out and gives the kid the photo of him as Superman.
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Young Clark Kent was played by Jeff East, who doesn't get mentioned much considering how significant his contribution to the film is. His voice was dubbed over by Reeve and this trick somehow makes people forget its a completely different guy. You can hear East's real voice in the deleted portion of this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqRnUvzmqg
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when he first saved lois and the helicopter, when she asks him who he is and he says a friend, when he flies off the camera shakes and it gives u the feeling that the power of his lift off actually shook the ground! awesomeness
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July 20, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST
Total Fuckin Destruction! Yeah!!!
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
A fuckin legend.
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The Superman DVD had the screen tests for other actresses including Stockard Channing, Leslie Ann Warren and Ann Archer. Watch the tests and judge for yourself, she outperformed them in the auditions. <p>Part of the problem casting at the time was getting actors to take the concept of a "comic book" movie seriously in the shadow the Batmsn TV series and they only got Hackman & Brando by offering gobs of money. I read an article where Hackman showed up for filming and not only didn't want to shave his head, he wanted to keep the moustache he was sporting at the time. To play Lex Luthor. The famously bald character. With a 70's moustache.
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July 20, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST
I heard it came down to a Donkey with a facial palsy and Kidder
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
But the Donkey wanted too much money.
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Donner: The music says the word. 10 seconds later Donner: The music says the word. 20 minutes later. "The Music says the words."
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sad sacks who couldn't recognize a masterpiece if it went up... up... and away into their ears and out their mouths. <p> <p> Superman The Movie is a majestic film made of the kind of iconic grandeur and sparkling magical charm never again seen. It is a masterpiece of science fiction, Americana, grand imagination, innocent romance, and triumphant heroism. <p> <p> Those who insult Superman The Movie only do so because they know deep down that they could never fully comprehend it's power and beauty.
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She really wasn't that bad looking back then... Certainly not desirable to me, but not some awful hag either, jeez, you guys are spoiled these days. Get out to sticks, you'll see some REAL hags, and in their prime, not just dried up, hard lived actresses.
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I hope Chris Nolan and his brother Jonah do an awesome job with Superman.<p>I'd like to someday see a JLA movie with the League fighting Darkseid.
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in my collection as well as Margot Kidder, and Marc McClure as Jimmy Olson.
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An era when they cast talent over looks. Sorry if Margo isn't a supermodel, but she could act circles around most fanboy's wish list of modern actresses to play Lois. And she still was a decent looking lady back then. <P> That is why 70s movies rock - they preferred substance, even in their popcorn films.
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an Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Lois Lane<br> Great Actress: Check<br> Pretty: Damn Straight Check<br> Diabolically Cute: Oh Hells Check<br> Has the stature to pull it off: umm, umm, umm. Well Fuck Yeah Check
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Chris Reeve WAS Superman, he was amazing, and there's some great stuff there, but the Krypton and the Smallville sections (up to and including the Fortress of Solitude) of the movie are far stronger for me. Hackman is great too, but the comic relief is a little too strong, Lois' "song" is painful, and the time travel thing is a bit of a confusing cop-out (confusing because at 5 years old, I didn't understand - just because he turned back time, why didn't Lois' car still get swallowed? He went back in time, and when he got back there, what did he do?) <br><br> The next Superman film has to be epic in nature. No more Luthor as main conflict. No origin needed. Give us black holes, pocket universes, Darkseid, just something epic. All Star Superman.
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may not seem super hot, but yeah watch those screen tests - she was the only one there who brought a dimension of vulnerability to the character. The problem (if any) with Margot is where she starts looking a bit odd (drugs?) and they overdo her makeup to cover it up, and she looks a little like death here and there in S2. Before then (screen test period), she was beautiful.
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But Margot Kidder was *still* fugly. I never saw the screentests mentioned by a few of you.
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July 21, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST
Christopher Reeve will always be the best Superman ALWAYS.
by NorthTronic
I did believe a man could fly.
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July 21, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST
Current superhero movies don't capture the magic of Superman the
by Nerd Rage
The don't come close. Best origin story. Best superhero movie. And one of the best movies ever made.
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July 21, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST
There was TONS of green screen in that film, Quint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JonChambers
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July 21, 2010, 2:12 a.m. CST
The "green screen" used was front projection- the Zoptic effect.
by JonChambers
Front projection was chosen as the main method for shooting Christopher Reeve's flying scenes in Superman. However, they still faced the problem of having Reeve actually fly in front of the camera. Effects wizard Zoran Perisic patented a new refinement to front projection that involved placing a zoom lens on both the movie camera and the projector. These zoom lenses are synchronized to zoom in and out simultaneously in the same direction. As the projection lens zooms in, it projects a smaller image on the screen; the camera lens zooms in at the same time, and to the same degree, so that the projected image (the background plate) appears unchanged, as seen through the camera. However the subject placed in front of the front projection screen appears to have moved closer to the camera; thus Superman flies towards the camera. Perisic called this technique "Zoptic". The process was also used in two of the Superman sequels (but not used in the fourth movie due to budget constraints), Return to Oz, Radio Flyer, High Road to China, Deal of the Century, Megaforce, Thief of Baghdad, Greatest American Hero (TV), as well as Perisic's films as director, Sky Bandits (also known as Gunbus) and The Phoenix and the Magic Carpet.
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July 21, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST
BTW- if you don't like green screen, DON'T SEE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!
by JonChambers
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He was, and always shall be, Superman. Chris Reeve=Legend!
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I'm pretty sure I read that on here somewhere. Have you all finally seen the error of your ways? ;)
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Not unless you're Green Lantern, no sir.
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July 21, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST
TO THIS DAY THE SUPERMAN MAKING-OF EXTRAS ARE THE ONLY
by BringingSexyBack
extras I could watch time and time again, and not spoil the magic of the movie itself. And yeah, the screentests are very revealing. Kidder was by far the best Lois of the group, and from all indications, had great rapport with Reeve which no doubt enhanced his performance. Kudos to Ms. Kidder.
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You really need to get the extras. Check out Netflix or just buy the 2-sided DVD. It's well worth it.
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By a county mile.
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Why do you say such things when you know I will kill you for it?!
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launch prints of Superman 1 and 2 into space for preservation before humanity kills itself and ruins the earth. At the same time, Superman 3 and 4 should be imprisoned in the Phantom Zone
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and she will close her eyes and pretend you are another hot chick whilst you slurp that Krytonian tuna wrap.
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The phantom zone wouldnt be strong enough to hold in the pure evil of Superman 3 and 4. Maybe Doomsday could destroy them. <P> Maybe in a bizarro world there are versions of those films that are actually good.
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I blame the writers for Supes III, not Reeve. Richard Pryor was a funny dude, but that's not what I want in a Superman movie. The good vs evil supes was a good sequence, and Lana was hot, surely that Smallville vixen sported a finely shorn auburn pelt. The ending with the supercomputer seems very dated, given how tech has evolved.
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after the psuedo-kryptonite begins to take its effect? Superman is visiting Lana and tries talking her into bed, letting a semitruck plunge off a bridge after he ignores her message about it. That's 95% of men, 95% of the time. Imagine what we could get done if we didn't have beaver on the brain 24/7
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I always used to think Superman III redeemed itself with the Clark and evil Superman, but having watched it recently, its just awful to see now. <P> I owuld have like to have seen Bizarro in Superman IV as was originally planned. <P> And no, I never blame Reeve, he always put his heart and soul into the character, regardless of shit scripts and pisspoor directing.
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Anyone notice that that main 5-note motif has the same cadence as "Up, up, and away?" ;-) Williams is a treasure.
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Superman leaves for about 10 years comes back to his friends who have aged normally while he hasn't aged at all. The villain wouldn't be Luthor but his prescence would always be felt like Frank Miller's Kingpin. Lois Lane would be played by Ashley Judd. She can have a child but it wouldnt be Superman's. The villain could be some cosmic entity thqt followed Superman back to earth.
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...as Superman...he's so right, so good, so genuine...he fits the role so well and rises above any faults the films may have...it may well be the best performance ever captured on film as he IS Superman, he went from acting to becoming...it radiates from him...
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Re: Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", is that the "final" Superman story before the John Byrne reboot?
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http://www.toolian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9924&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45 YOU SHOULD
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good for Superman? <P> Make Lex younger, and a scientist again, change the dynamic between the two characters. David Boreanaz - Superman <P> Rachel Mcadams - Lois Lane <P> Adam Brody - Jimmy Olsen <P> Tom Hardy - Lex Luthor <P> The Rock - Darkseid <P> Just a thought.
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Cute as a button, smart, resembles the character in the comics, and able to deliver rat-a-tat dialogue that was sorely missing from Kate Bosworth's miserably-miscast performance. Either that, or let Erica Durance bring her Smallville Lois (and her giant funbags) to the big screen.
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I like him in other things, he just isn't Superman. Rachel McAdams is a good choice for Lois though.
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Coolest fucking thing ever.
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even if it is wires holding up obviously stil though there's guys just standing around regularly and looking at this guy flying... i mean holy smokes.
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"Donner's films made your soul soar. " You nailed it, that was the key. Kubrick was cerebral but he did lack heart. There are different directors who are more cerebral (Ridley Scott, James Cameron) and those who have more heart (Donner, Leone, Coppola) and then those who have both like Hitchcock/Kurosawa.
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his face looks so devastated, really emotional moment there.
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My apologies to all you tweens who think "Avatar" is the greatest movie ever made, and "The Dark Knight" is the greatest superhero movie.
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...Wooooo!!!! That's a bad outFIT!!! Wooo!! Bo Rucker and young Kidder melts my heart and mind
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July 21, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST
The people who say Superman wasn't that good, etc.
by TakingScorpiosCalls
No movie is or will ever be perfect, but whatever bad parts you might have with this movie, are utterly overwhelmed by the euphoric splendiforous good of this movie which alone makes it one of the greatest ever!!!!!!
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Man that part in the bar where he's kicking back shots like demon in a bottle and flicking peanuts destroying the bar was so cool and then walking outside yelling that makes me poop my pants.
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Hey abom remember those James Bond movie titles you did? Telly Savalas Shot My Bitch, That Bald Fuck and Look Me In The Eyes When I Shoot My Load were among my favs .
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and *spoiler* did he end the movie the same way as the first with Supes circling the earth again to change time but undo the whole movie this time not just the last 20 minutes? <P> it was all a dream my eye. bad, bad ending!
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I would have preferred the Donner footage is a deleted scenes segment.
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July 21, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST
looking at this picture again it really does look like he's flyi
by NorthTronic
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July 21, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST
Donner Cut should have kept super kiss and white house ending
by Kal Reeve
Had it kept those elements, as well as "General, would you care to step outside?," it would have been PERFECT.
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He used his super acting power to convince you all that he was an actor pretending to be Superman when actually he was Superman pretending to be an actor who was pretending to be Superman. People fell for the "he knew how to fly because of hang gliding" gag. Ha! He knew how to fly because he could fly!
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margot is great as Lois. She's supposed to be a plain Jane, not a hot super-model. Clark/Kal loves her because she so easily flouts and breaks the rules, something he cannot do, not for her looks. The budget, shooting two superhero movies simultaneously, what a risk, it could have sunk Donner and the studeo. In 1977 when he made this there was no cable/video/dvd/satellite or even foreign market to cushion the failure. The kitchem sink approach to Superman where he throws drama, romantic-comedy, coming of age, camp, sci-fi, action, disaster movie, space opera and almost musical (can you read my mind was supposed to be sung, but Williams tune had so much emotion, and Margot couldn't sing, it didn't need it) is so unusual for American Movies, -- more typical of Indian films and Hong Kong cinema, which is why I still love it. I still remember seeing the film my first time the best theater to see it -- Hackensack, NJ
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yes i like pink very much lois.
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Super Hero movie adaptation. Nuff Said!
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great suggestion about the donner cut. it was missing the "step outside" line. good call. <P> and the super kiss and white house visit were sweet. why mess with that?<P> we need a third cut
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great suggestion about the donner cut. it was missing the "step outside" line. good call. <P> and the super kiss and white house visit were sweet. why mess with that?<P> we need a third cut
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my first double post!
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I always thought the fire scene at the beginning of Supes III, where Superman takes a running leap and takes off was the best superhero effect I ever saw. Reeve makes it look smooth and effortless.
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As far childhood sentiments Superman is right there with Star wars and Indiana Jones. I remember a time me and my younger brothers would sit on our big couch and just enjoying these movies. I really miss those days. Chris will always be a Superman to me. He proved to be that character on screen as well a real life one outside it. R.I.P.
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Still can't believe Lois can work for a newspaper yet makes tons of spellingsmistakes. Lois: Look chief it got the sex, violence and the etnic angle. Perry: So does a lady wrestler with a foreign accent. Still gives me a chuckle or two.:)
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"Doesn't it give you kind of a shudder of electricity through you to be in the same room with me? " I've used that line. Nice.
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the gem "No, but if I did you'd be the first to know about it," when a woman asked me if I had a girlfriend. She looked at me blankly, she didn't get it. I never saw her again.
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