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Harry doesn't feel PREDATORS quite earned the 's'
I meant to write this on the Friday of initial release, but sadly my laptop had a critical hard drive failure while I was traveling to that FAMOUS MONSTERS Convention in Indianapolis. That said, most every problem I have with PREDATORS is an issue of scale & releasing. To release PREDATORS in the middle of a summer, even a lackluster summer such as this, is to set an expectation that is absolutely unreasonable for this particular film. Budgeted in the Mid-Thirty Million area... Released by the same company that gave James Cameron over a quarter of a Billion... After we've seen a similarly financed STAR TREK reboot... Well, PREDATORS just doesn't quite have the fire power to blow our minds. Last night, I was watching Stallone's extended cut of JOHN RAMBO and that's how to shoot a balls to the wall action spectacular filled with Holy Shit moments. In PREDATORS, there isn't a single great HOLY SHIT moment. I've seen the film twice. Once at a critic's screening that had the energy of a beached whale. Then the Paramount Theater Premiere, where the film blew the roof off the place. At the first screening, I found myself continually disappointed by how small the film was. At the second screening, I had had hours of thinking about the film, what its purpose was... which was to relaunch the PREDATOR franchise in a new stand alone series. At that level, it succeeds for me. Yes, I would like to see a stand alone PREDATOR series that was far more science fiction than running around present day Earth. The premise of being captured and taken to a hunting preserve planet for the Predators to hunt and hone their skills is pretty outstanding, to me. BUT... only if we get the other dangerous critters that the Predators like to hunt. I get that Robert & Nimrod were attempting to try and recapture the scary 'what the fuck' discovery of the Predators, but this film could serve as a lesson in a way. Once a creature has become Pop Culture Iconography, putting it in the shadows, making it invisible... well it just kind of annoys the audience. It makes the Audience so much further along than the characters on screen, that we tend to feel the characters are stupid because... DUDE, DIDN'T THEY SEE PREDATOR? Of course they didn't. But we have. So going through those same steps, even with the noblest of intentions... makes the film feel underwhelming. I say underwhelming, because even though I pretty much liked every actor in the cast - and LOVED Alice Braga a lot. Even though I loved the practical effects work on the PREDATORS - I even liked the more "Wolf" versions of the PREDATORS... Just making a bigger, meaner Predator, just didn't do enough for me, to feel the film earned its "S". When Adrien Brody says something like, "Now, let's get off this fucking planet!" at the end of the movie, that's a cry out for a sequel, but I'm not sure if the film earned SEQUEL right away. Ending the film where they did, felt like if Cameron had ended ALIENS as soon as they escaped with Newt on the platform. I think most people would have been satisfied with that ending. But not Cameron. He had to give us a mano-a-mano fight for the ages. Load Lifter Ripley versus Alien Queen - all starting with ripping an android in two pieces that just gutted me the first time I saw it. PREDATORS is missing a third act. They couldn't afford to shoot one. They didn't have the money to design some big awesome spectacular closing mind fuck, but they should have. If FOX was committed to relaunching PREDATORS the same way that Paramount committed to STAR TREK. I like a lot of the ideas for characters in the film, but not so much what they did with them. For example, Laurence Fishburne's NOLAND. I love the idea of a badass that has survived various rotations of hunts on the planet. I love that he's adapted to the PREDATORS tech. I love the idea of a man having access to the cloaking and energy weapons. What I don't like? I don't like that you give a character all of that. And then you have him do what that character does. I would have loved it, had he shadowed the team, picking off the PREDATORS as they exposed themselves. Had they gotten off planet, wound up in some kind of battle that got them stuck on the PREDATOR home world and we begin the PLANET HULK / GLADIATOR plotline that this was all headed towards. PREDATORS gets the tone right. Gets the concept headed in a right direction, but it just doesn't do enough to make me 100% happy with the film. I wanted and needed more. Especially for a Summer Release. Had PREDATORS come out in February or September... Expectations might have felt right, but in the Summer, when our cinema loving ape brains are conjuring gargantuan awesome desires that get sated by a film like INCEPTION... A film like PREDATORS aggravates. I know that a PREDATORS film with no limits would blow our collective minds. That said... TWILIGHT: ECLIPSE had over double the budget and wasn't nearly half as good. I'm dying to see a great, large scale science fiction action adventure using the PREDATORS concept. I just don't know if we'll ever see it. But I hope.
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finally
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Gonna tell us more about that one, Harry?
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but with a bigger budget n better lead it could have be epic
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July 19, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST
Did you hold off review to not upset Rodriguez?
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Also, hope you're feeling OK, Harry.
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and quakes like a duck, its a duck. In this case, substitute 'duck' with lackluster, tierd, boring re-tread of the lowest common denominator.
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In another talkback but... They totally wasted Laurence Fishburne. They could have done so much with that character. He could have trained and armed the humans with Predator Gear and led them in a big battle. Or at the very least tried to kill them Predator style, instead we get him trying to kill them with smoke inhalation so he can steal there stuff. Lame. After that pointless diversion I didn't care about the film anymore. And I new Topher Grace was a serial killer right from point where he pulls out the scalpel and talks about poison. Yeah Robert Rodriguez, we watch Dexter too.
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Is that coming soon.<br><br>Best movie since... along time ago.
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but was a good starting point for A Predators relaunch.
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Saw it this week -- took my dad to it, because he introduced me to PREDATOR when I was wee. I don't feel like I did him a favour. It's not bad. It's just... there. At the end, where I would normally turn to him and say, "That was awesome!" or "That was terrible!" I could only muster a "That was... there!" It feels unfinished. And I loved, loved, loved Fishburne and hate hate hated how brief and disposable he was made. He should have been the last man standing. It would have totally fucked with expectations and given the film a vitality it lacked. All performances were good. Like many films these days, it failed on writing.
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I was under the impression the extended cut is the same, save for the long Rambo monologue in the heavy rain to the girl from Dexter before they set off on the boat up the river (this scene is on the Bluray) are there other changes Harry?
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so when the real Predator 3 comes along it will have the fitting title.
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July 19, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST
Harry, where is your Inception review?
by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole
dude, its the biggest movie of the year. Lets see what you thought of it.
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Christ! How bad is it exactly?
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it would be a great double feature with the Book of Eli. Still, it's been a shitty year for movies and the bar was so low that I actually enjoyed Predators more than Iron Man 2, A-Team and I didn't see Robinhood but it had to be better.
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they should have killed Brody Half way into the movie. If the movie had stayed exactly the same, but Brody had died instead of the Yakuza I would have enjoyed the movie 50, no a 100x more.
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any other film with it's production budget and no doubt substantial ad campaign budget) and star power would be cruxified as a financial failure. and unlike karate kid (budget 40mil opening same as inception and now at 160mill(which is inceptions production budget) the expectations are and were very high for inception. why is it considered a success? cause the critics are loving nolan in the middle of summer again? Even IronMan 2 will do better and it's a failure.
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July 19, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST
Robin Hood is probably the most undderated movie this year
by thatfilmlover
I loved it, and actually saw it Twice, Film Critics gave that movie way to much of a Hard Time. I think geeks forget that Sub-Par Ridley Scott is still WAY above other film makers working at the top of their game...
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Because it is. RR said he scaled back his original script in order to have a smaller budget.<br><br>And, Topher Grace's character was as big a disappointment as Fishburne's.
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to be waaaaaaay more badass than the 1987 Predator species...and he gets his ass handed to him by a skinny guy with no boobytrap? Lame. Still, it was entertaining(although mediocre).
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You're right on the money. Also... Harry, "a similarly financed STAR TREK reboot"? Star Trek cost around 150 million... can you say that a movie of aroun 40 million is similarly financed??
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Avatar had a bigger budget and only had 77 mil it's opening weekend.<br><br>It is a success since it isn't a sequel/remake/based-on-a-book movie (comparatively).
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felt like a tv pilot for a film fox had no trust in the film makers and its easy to see up on the screen,a big dissapointment it should of been hell the minute they hit the planet more like saving private ryan and over the course of the battle we learn who the charcters really are
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I might be seeing it again today, depends on how things go. First time I saw the film, I was exhausted and really had no business seeing the film in a tired state. I blinked in and out of consciousness and that isn't how to give a film a fair review. SO I have to wait till I see it a second time, but it keeps selling out screenings.
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As soon as he was on screen I cringed. As soon as I heard him I wanted him to die. Such a useless character in the entire film. Same with Danny Trejo. They shouldn't have killed off a guy from the parachute fall... He should have ben killed by the "rescue trap" the predator set up for Danny's corpse. That would have at least been a cool onscreen death moment to set up how "fucked" everyone was. And if the Predators were smart enough to pick challenging prey based on their skills, the writers should have been smart enough to write characters who utilize their skills. The characters were too forced. We had to accept everything about them without thought. Also why is it that Adrien Brody knew everything about everyone except for Topher's character? Or maybe it wasn't obvious enough that he knew all along. But why would he keep it a secret if he did know?
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July 19, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST
Arnold the only human to get his ass kicked by a predator?
by kickyouinthenickels
seems like it because in the sequels Danny Glover and Adrien Brody kicked predators ass..why is it Arnold got treated like a sidewalk ho in his movie?
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You slept during Inception and you are ashamed to admit it...
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everything that needed to be done was done in Predator. The comics and sequels just aren't the same. There was no way this movie could have lived up to the original. unless they had lindsay lohan getting a glow-green predator facial then it would have been awesome.
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It just has to make enough money.
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crazy americans
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for all the fanboy griping, this is unarguably a better film than both of the alien vs predator films, and debatably Predator 2.
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...Arduous and devolves into a poorly directed and edited "XXX raw footage" snow battle. No Harry you weren't exhausted or tired... it's actually how the film is. There is nothing brilliant about the main characters explaining everything every moment of the film. Sorry but Inception is all hype. Should be named Deception.
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would have been a better spring or fall movie. With that said, this summer has been so weak that it didn't dissapoint. I read a version of the script that ended with a group of predators congratulating the living humans at the end and when their leader took off his helmet it was Arnold. I guess he wasn't down for that. It's a little silly but it would have been cool.
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Harry evidently Predators will NEVER be done right. The ass-clowns in Hollywood just don't have it in 'em. That said, after seeing so many watered down, blah versions of a Predator film, can you REALLY be "dying to see" anything more from this franchise? Just let it go.
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Brody=skinny, next predator hero=skinny, maybe make it a black or asian guy.
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and screen all the oldies as it dont get no better than that. 80's FTW!
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Since that's what summer is generally reserved for in American Cinema. Go figure.
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Inception has some very stunning visuals. Yet it has a score that rapes your eardrums. The score is sooooo overbearing.
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I already have the blu ray. Is the new version worth double dipping? I mean..if it's just an extended monologue, I can do without it. But if it's more action and gore, I'm sold.
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...then Spiderman 3 was to its franchise. At least Spiderman managed to have the same fecal waft of the previuos two movies without going worse, Predators really managed new lows.
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Anyone talking to "an imaginary friend" is ridiculous. He seemed to scurry about like Gollum. They should have gotten Andy Serkis.
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...I couldn't have said it better myself Harry! I just saw Predators on Saturday myself, and I sat there the whole time thinking; "Wow! We've waited all this time for a new Predator film....and this is the best they can do?" Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed parts of it because I am a huge fan, but "Lack of Commitment" sums that movie up pretty quick. I totally admit I went into it with low expectations, but only because I thought the whole plot was a "flawed concept." It just made no sense to me that Predators would bother "capturing" humans only to "hunt them." That kind of defeats a Predator's purpose that once it's captured you, superiority has already been established. So it's knd of defeated its purpose, no? Anyway, regardless of that, I just at no yime felt like it was an alien world, or a world that the Predators would even bother to hunt on. There should have been every dangerous creature they've ever hunted on that world, it's the "only reason" they would have ever bothered going or staying there....Hell! It's why they chose Earth to begin with. Regardless tho Harry, I don't come online to slam movies and be a hater. I love movies...I just love them better when they're done right.
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Both of those films have a common denominator... TOPHER GRACE! HE DESTROYS ALL THAT COULD AND SHOUFL BE HOLY!
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I actually forgot Fishburne was even in the movie! At first I didn't even get he was supposed to be talking to some "imaginary friend". That whole scene was kind of confusing. However I laughed out at the shot of him in his nest. So that was good.
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This bomb had hammered the final nail into the coffin of the franchise. Fuck it. Who really expected anything else from Rodriguez - the guy pretty much defines mediocrity. <p>No more Predator movies, please; these characters have outstayed their welcome. If you can't get it right after 4 attempts, then there's nothing more to be said. There will never be a good Predator movie other than the first.
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But then really didn't do anything with it, no interesting character interactions, no team dynamic, just a bunch of actors hanging out and getting killed off individually. Also, why the fuck are people talking about Inception spoilers in a Predators talkback? Fuck you.
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Watchmen opening weekend $55,214,334 Failure Inception opening weekend £60,000,000 success. Watchmen finished on $107,509,799 Let's see what Inception finishes on.
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Michael Jai White. hes a big muscular guy but not too big. hes a good actor. im not saying he has to do martial arts to the predator bc that doesnt make sense but he has a great presence. i mean imagine him in danny glovers role. he would have been awesome
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July 19, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST
Rodriguez is one of the most fun & exiciting directors working
by thatfilmlover
Desperado, Dusk Till Dawn, The Faculty, Planet Terror, Sin City. Rodriguez consistently makes awesome, fun, adult entertainment, I love him. I don't quite understand how people who frequent AICN could feel any different, but whatever, hater's love to hate.
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Not one single thing about this film was worth watching. The characters were horrible,the script was stupid,and worst of all the PREDATORS were boring...say what you will about the AvP flicks and even Predator 2,but at least the Predator characters were expanded upon and interesting to watch in those flicks. This flick was a disaster from start to finish and it blows my mind that something this awful could come from TroubleMaker Studios. I was so pissed that they had Long Tall Sally playing over the end credits....this film doesnt DESERVE Long Tall Sally or the name Preadtors. This goes into the "forget it exists pile" along with the last AvP.
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The script and Brodie combined surprisingly made a decent character to compare to Arnold's. We got the sense that Brodie's was a more hardbitten, callous survivor of a man than Arnold's. The problem was the Predator's themselves, and comparing them to the others in the group. In Predator we didn't get so much a sense of the characters as we got that they were tough and ready. So when a single Predator manages to kill all of them one by one we feel fear, we know that this is something far bigger and meaner than man. So when Arnold triumphs it's a big moment, it's heroic and cool. But for Predators cast we don't get to see them fight as much, we don't get to a sense of how "badass" their supposed to be and instead concentrate on them as people. So when three Predators manage to take them out one by one it feels less tense, less like they are some vicious hunters to be feared beyond reason. Sure their design is good, they look scarier than the original. But they don't feel like it, they feel lesser. The original didn't need others to hunt with him, and went after guys that felt bigger and tougher than man of Predators cast. That was the biggest problem.
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I'm seeing it again. I know at least three people who are also going a second time. My feeling is Inception will have legs. Its being talked about as the movie you HAVE to see twice, and its got zero competition thanks to all the dreck that's been released this summer. It could end up $300m domestic.
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I think the movie has gone waaaay over his head. That's why he's having trouble writing a review. Mind you, even Predators probably went over Harry's head.<p>Harry, have you quit the gym already? Back to your old, lazy habits? Remember the Benadryl, big chap. Remember the swelling. Heed the lessons. Forget it all at your peril.
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seriouisly Thatfilmlover go fuck yourself very fucking hard. I am sick to death of people referring to anyone who has legit criticisms for something as a 'hater'. did i already tell you to go fuck yourself?
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I thought it was pretty good and probably the biggest surprise of the summer.
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Why would you ever think he could make a top notch Predator film?
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because watchmen was an R and inception is pg13 and because watchmen was released in march and inception was released in the middle of july...oh wait
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I think that is what they want to lead up to. Big Predators, Not so Big Predators, and humans in the wrong place at the wrong time. How mindblowingly awesome would it be to see a movie where multitudes of humans are either abducted or bred by the Predators to serves as cannon fodder for their war?<P> It would be awesome!
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But his movies are always just ok. Sin City was probably his best but that had as much to do with the art direction and story which he can't take credit for. His movies aren't terrible (well that Lobster Boy meets Firegirl thing was pretty bad)
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It would be AvP. Only PvP and just as dumbas AvP.
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the first Harry review in a long time that has felt real, more please.
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because you're a random Talkbacker tough guy, with your "fuck you's" and your "go fuck yourselves" grow a pair and validate your opinions rather than resorting to name calling. prick.
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the predator. But that doesn't mean they have to go AvP on it. Shit, I prefer good story structure to ham-fisted ALL OUT WAR. No one wants to see that. It invalidates the whole point of being a PREDATOR. As in, something that hunts and stays in the shadows. We already know what he/they looks like so what exactly is your point in holding this against the movie?
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but I don't see the big deal. It's a pretty simple idea, really. It's kind of like Fincher's The Game, in that you know the whole thing's a game and a set up, so there's no real danger for the protagonist or protagonists. I felt like there was a lot, a lot of blah blah before it got going in the third act.
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You would be really shocked as to how bad the studios make movies turn out. I mean the film wasn't shot poorly necessarily. The action was visible and un-confusing. The production design was fine. If anything it was problematic in the writing and what the studio allowed vs what original vision was. The casting was pretty awful too. Cheaper by the dozen is what they went for in my opinion.
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The film was very underwhelming. I did like the fact it was bloody and violent. Brody made this picture watchable. What annoyed me the most was the constant homages to the original. I counted two. Anyone else see one? Anyway, Harry, I want to see your review of "inception" ASAP!
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If any movie deserves the 3d treatment, this one does. Why? Because the one sure way to make the Predators a surprise again would be to use the 3d against the cloaking special effects to give the audience a new WTF from this franchise. Secondly, we all know about Broken Tusk and his troubled dojo. Make at least one Predator a real character, and let us follow his motivation and fighting style. The latter by the way, needs way more choreography, closer to the Dark Horse Comics.
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No kidding.
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Good summer movie IMO. You know what I dread saying but I think is necessary? Some kind of review score like out of 10 or 100 with a summary after your paragraphs or stories. Or a letter grade. I usually hate those but sometimes I can't really tell by you guys' reviews just how good or bad you think it was. On the other hand though, I usually go by my gut anyways, only using rotten tomatoes combined with this site as kind of a passive guide.
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Thanks.
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It's a fucking Predator movie, best since the og.
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It was fun, a good launching point to rebuild brand recognition but ultimately, forgettable. Hoepfully Fox gets behind a sequel and pushes it properly.
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and the whole thing is NOT a dream.I know there is more than the narrative...but he is STILL stuck in limbo at the end.Thats all.
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that they were supposed to be watching a big-budget B-flick until the very end. I kept expecting the movie to take itself seriously and show all sorts of awsomeness, but it wasn't that kind of movie and didn't let me know that it was a B-movie until the last line.
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who doesn't like ride Rodriguezes cock is the lowest of all insults. Sorry you find profanity offensive, it was quiet warranted in your case for being an abysmal moron who can't understand why people don't like things of shit quality.
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It's as simple as that. He's used to either gushing over pieces of shit that we have to endure or simply saying 'I'm out' and talks about how many shits he had to take en route to the theater... Inception was too good for him to take in and he doesn't know what to do. TPM was 11 years ago and he ain't seen shit to rival it since way back then. Just goes to show...Quint, Capone, Drew, love those fuckers, Quint especially. McWeeney crawled up his own anus a short way but I still trust his reviews to a degree. Fuck the rest.
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Make a pussy queef like a fuckin whoopee cushion. See I can spell that right...*sigh*
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Desperado? From Dusk Till Dawn? Sin City? Planet Terror? Shit Quality. Whatever dude, you sound like a laugh a minute.
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"who doesn't like ride Rodriguezes cock" learn to fucking type.
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I don't mind that the Preds captured MORE humans and dumped them on this 'game reserve' to hunt. <p> Obviously, it was the screenwriter's (and the budget's) attempt at a compliment to our species...That, after traveling from planet to planet, the Predators have come to an agreement that 'humans' are indeed the 'most dangerous game'. It was just a matter of capturing 'the best of the best' of our species. <p> The decided (prolly due to budget concerns) they could only provide us with only one new 'alien' species...I think they made a mistake by putting them on the Predator's team. They went the "King Kong" route...making 'the planet' (surrogate Skull Island) a bigger enemy than the Preds themselves. <p> I think that effects budget could have been better spent giving the 'human' killers an ally...like a District 9 type 'alien' that they have to win over, or the 'alien' wins over them...and they team up to kick some ass. <p> Perhaps Fishburne should have been that 'alien'?? But...I think we've already seen that premise done in AvP, when the heroine & the main Pred teamed up at the end against the Alien Queen. <p> I dunno...I was hoping for bit more of an "Enemy Mine" type storyline, I guess. Wherein a lack of trust between two species has to be overcome to defeat a common enemy. Sharing weapons & technology. <p> But Harry's review sums it up with a very simple summary: "Not enough HOLY SHIT moments". That in a nutshell is the problem with PredatorS.
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It cheapens the original predators. Also does anyone notice that the predators keep getting smaller? kevin peter hall was 7'2 but the guy playing the predator in this one was 6'5
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i wanted to see this along time ago but honestly the Predators have lost their kick, we know what they look like and these horrible AVP movies just made them as scary as freddy over time. i'll still see it but it'll have to be a blu-ray night
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I enjoyed Predators quite a bit, but I agree it was lacking "HOLY SHIT" moments, apart from the awesome opening title.
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I think you got this movies intentions all bass ackward Harry. My feeling is they intended to take a large scale action piece, the type of vehicle that the Predator franchise can provide, and make it smaller. More human. I think if you stepped out of your comic book inspired fanboy mode, you might recognize that the Predators title is not referring to our beloved iconic space hunters AT ALL. The Predators were the hunted in this film. They collected different forms of human predators, from crime lords, to military snipers, mercenaries and warlords, to a serial killer. They took what had become a huge science fiction saga that crossed over into other huge science fiction saga's and brought it back to it's Most Dangerous Game roots. I'm actually pretty disappointed that this didn't come across for you, Harry, I expect more analysis from you than that. Personally I love what Rodriguez did with the franchise. He showed us several extremes within the human condition and how different personality types respond to being hunted in this way. This is FAR more along the psychological vein than the action, and that is as it should be. And the movie stands alone, who cares if there is a sequel?
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... OVERRATED. Let's face it, people. Other than SIn City, which wasn't even his material, he hasn't done a GREAT film a la Tarantino. He's got a whole lotta "Okay/Good" movies in him, but I don't see him hitting it outta the ballpark any time soon. Oh yeah, and Predators plain sucked. No two ways about it. The Predators themselves were lame and Brody as the "bad-ass" I just don't subscribe to. I say leave the whatever dignity's left of the franchise alone. Meaning: only the original's worth a shit.
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July 19, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST
I felt it wasnt the scope, but poor writing and direction
by ltgalloway
They started with an interesting premise that introduces this ensemble of characters but without giving them a purpose for being there that furthers the narrative. Sure, they are all brought there for being killers, but the way they are utilized within that context seems pointless. The Lawrence Fishburne character says he has been there for 10 years and survived, only to be unceremoniously discarded without contributing hardly anything to the story. The Topher Grace character is forced, Danny Trejo is abundantly under used, the Yakuza sword fight is downright laughable in its execution, and the Predators themselves have hardly any presence at all. The characters walk through the woods as if their on a rolling theme park ride, where each stop feels heavy handed and a little patronizing. All this on top of the lack luster third act point to either a poor or mishandled script. Additionally, the performances were I thought uneven at times, which I guess may have been a direction issue. What I did like was the initial idea of the safari planet, (even though the Brian Fellows theme kept playing in my head), and much of the first act. Unfortunately it seems that the basic kernel of an idea suffered from an unfocused script and direction.
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It was solid, it was a small film that already made its budget and what I know their working a sequel. Brody was good as the lead. I enjoyed it. It wasn't that Bad!
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July 19, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST
HARRY YOU KNOW WHAT AN AUTHENTIC "HOLY SHIT" MOMENT IS?
by BringingSexyBack
"Hi my name is Tom." <P> "Nice to meet you. I'm Autumn."
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No matter what the budget... nothing can forgive remote controlled intergalactic spaceship wristbands!! That apparently all predators wear!! That can self-destruct or take you to any planet in the galaxy, regardless of remaining fuel, with the push of one button!! :-)
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but I suspect it had more to do with Tarantino than RR.
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The Predators seemed really top heavy and not agile at all. The fights involving them really looked like dudes trying to balance shit on their heads while swinging nerf bats at eachother. That ninja dude should have been able to zip in and shred that predador to peices. They just seemed ungainly and clumbsy.I couldn't buy that they were dangerous warriors.
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Unless the other Predator had it booby trapped, expecting them to try something like that.
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Honestly, my fave predator is the one from AVP2, just love how he's missing a mandible, half of his face is acid-scarred. Just a total bad-ass. Goes to earth by himself to battle a legion of aliens.
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Aha! Ok, that makes it suck 3% less.
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It's a cheap defense saying "Wellllll..if they had more money...". Review the film you saw instead of making excuses for your friend.
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Pitch Black was fucking awesome on an even smaller budget.
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And we all know it. Nothing to do with the cash spent. The cast sucked. The Yakuza guy was the best part of the movie.
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That Pride & Predator idea would of been strangly interesting, or set it during something historic, WW2 maybe, Vietnam is probably too close to whats been done. My fav idea would be the middle east/Gulf War (with the predator drawn by heat & conflict of course) & it plays the allies off against the Iraqis etc (it seems ok for The Hurt Locker, Green Zone & Three Kings to cover this subject matter )
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The only reason I went to see this movie is because I wanted to see what the Predators home world was like. I never felt like I was on another planet. They could of shot this thing in a Walmart parking lot and it wouldn't made any difference. The whole thing is just a wasted opportunity.
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I saw Inception instead.
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It's not about the money. It's about the talent and what you do with what you got. What was District 9's budget? Yeah I thought so.
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July 19, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST
I didn't want to admit it, but this film actually put me to slee
by The Reluctant Austinite
I was really looking forward to "Predators". It just seemed to have the right DNA to be the amazing Predator movie we've all wanted to see since the original surprised us all by actually being pretty good. I was at the Famous Monsters Convention in Indy with Harry the weekend it came out, so I had to wait until Monday to see it, and I was jazzed by the good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. You usually expect less than 63% positve with something like this. IMDB sits at 7.1 out of 10 in viewer satisifcation. I was really excited when the film began, and then it didn't go anywhere for 90 minutes. Harry is exactly right (and this happened with "Alien 3" as well), you can't take a pop culture icon that EVERYBODY has seen in films, model kits and action figures over a 20 year period and suddenly make it scary again by keeping it in the shadows. Hardly a Predator is seen for an hour, and during that hour the characters just trapse carefully through the jungle before finding Fishburne's dark hiding place, and then they trapse carefully around in dark corners for another 20 minutes. I could hardly stay awake. There are really only 4 Predators in the movie and never more than two on screen at one time. The scene of all the laser targets hitting Brody was only in the trailer! Talk about a disappointment! The biggest problem with the entire film is that it is, for all extensive circumstances, just a re-make of the original film. Sure the team is made up of forced together strangers instead of an elite combat team and they're not on Earth, but they might as well be. Everything else is the same, right down to Brody covering himself in mud for the big fight with the Predator at the end. I also expected Brody and the surivors to hi-jack a Predator ship and have a space battle finale--or something. Nimrod Antal shoots the scenes just fine. It all looks good, but I couldn't find the film's heartbeat.
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Predators was a fun ass movie. it was simplified into a PG-13 shit. it was a fun movie ... great job RR!
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Discuss...
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After learning what we learn about them in the first movie, there isn't really much more to do with them. The cloaking was fucking cool, and when the Predator is finally revealed is awesome, but after the first movie they just walk around in broad daylight, and it's BORING. I also am not one of those people who think seeing their home planet, and all their technology would make a better movie. Why? Why do we need to have ALL the mystery explained away? The predator was scarier when we didn't know what it looked like, or where it came from. What I am trying to say, is that the first movie used up all the awesome from this idea.
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July 19, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST
Welcome back, Harold! Now tell us how you REALLY feel.....
by zillabeast
It saddens us all that the Predator franchise suffers yet another blow like this one. We saw what Dark Horse Comics did, energizing the franchise in the 90's. Teased us all that that particular badassery would make its way from ink to the silver screen. No such luck. Let's see what Sir Ridley Scott himself does with the Alien prequel (my hopes are not high on that one at all) and pray that someone who really cares about taking the Predator franchise to the next level appears as our savior.
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July 19, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST
Predators was exactly what I thought it would be. I liked it.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I don't like that Harry wants certain movies at certain types of the year; that's just not showing love for the art of film, it's just falling into place and buying empty hollow predictable product.
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I like that so many people are interested in seeing Inception again, especially because the majority of people simply don't see a particular movie more than once at the theater. I really appreciate that this common desire to see it again is simply to experience the movie again. The movie doesn't have a big twist that changes everything you've seen beforehand, and it doesn't hide information/details from the viewer to basically force them to see it again. The people that liked it want to experience its ideas, its music, its solid cast, and its small and big moments again.
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And you can only watch them growl and roar so many times. Face it, this franchise is DOA.
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I agree... Splice > Inception. Inception = Deception. Inception = one cool battle. Inception = XXX snow battle footage.
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but i wont be surprised if we dont see another 1 for a long time
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but i wont be surprised if we dont see another 1 for a long time
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but i wont be surprised if we dont see another 1 for a long time
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I know Rodriguez is a pal and don't get me wrong, I dig him. I like his guerilla(ish) style and the fact that he's an out-and-out geek making the movies he wants to make and we want to see. Can't say a one of em has ever rocked my socks off though - had some fun with them, thought Planet Terror nailed exactly what Grindhouse was meant to be (unlike his pal who starts with the idea but then writes himself into an indulgent masturbatory snoozefest)... <p> <P> But Predators is a misfire, almost half-assed, and you can't blame a modest budget for that - as someone said, what about District 9? <P> <p> Plenty of mid-budget flicks if this ilk get more imagination and actual plot worked in than any number of $250mil+ tentpoles. That's why we end up with big loud dumb incoherent crap like Yransformers 2 and the last Pirates of the Caribbean. <p> <p> I think you're missing the mark a bit lately. So far the best fun, thrilling, balls-to-the-wall Summer popcorn flick of 2010 is far and away The A-Team. Dumb as a box of rocks, but with a semblance of a story to get hooked into, crammed full of humour and quotable lives nd - most importantly - brimming with character. In itself, in the protagonists, and in the pretty cool bad guys. Much better than the groaningly obvious ensemble of archetypes we've seen a zillion times before, which is what we got with Predators. <P> <p> It's not a complete fuck-up, but it rings hollow and is missing a lot - but to make excuses about a compromised budget and it's release slot just smacks of desperately avoiding the truth - Rodriguez and Antal should, and definitely could, have done better.
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They fell for the same fatal booby trap twice. They lost track of 6 or 7 humans and couldn't find them until Brody alerts them. It took 3 of them to hunt the same number of humans the original predator killed all by himself. The so-called super black predator blew up his own space ship for nothing. These predators were the dumbest yet. The movie should've been called preda-tards.
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.... But hey it's 4am here and I'm on an iPhone. Just one thing though - I'm pretty sure you could've done your review on your iPad or whatever and mailed it in to one of the guys here, when people were waiting on the review? Anyway... Here's to an A-Team 2 and a hopefully better Predators 2 (Predator 4? Fuck knows, it's late!!)
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The samurai fight and the predator versus predator fight should've been classics. Instead they were instantly forgettable as were all the other kills/fights. Immediately after seeing it I ranked it slightly below Predator 2 but in hindsight I rank Predator 2 much, much higher.
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so just as Cameron did with Aliens you have to find a way to move in a new direction that doesn't depend on the Pred's slow reveal. How about this: Instead of a mixed bag (I doubt these space rednecks do much sociological research on Earth) they look for groups of guys with guns grab two handfuls and haul them away. Dutch, sitting at some black ops command post somewhere has a cameo and says into a phone "Dey grabbed who? Fuck! Ha, ha, ha" As their crates slam down on SixFlags over Predation (the chutes were a stupid idea) we find that that crab faces have abducted a SEAL team and a Spetnaz team--everyone fully kitted out. A little pushing and shoving and they figure out what's what pretty quick and go on the offensive. Take the fight to the enemy. Predators start taking shots to the dome at a mile away and every time they chase a heat signature they step into a kill box. Predator skills honed for the hunt are now improvised for survival, and often not too effectively. Now it's the humans hunt, kill 'em all but find one who can fly home. And leave a gory campsite that says "Don't Fuck with Earth. We know where you live." There's your movie, same budget, no Topher (stupidest character in the movie).
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...You are a fucking genius. I would see that movie in a heartbeat!
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No matter how much I'm in the mood for a dumb action flick, they're just unwatchable. Is the whole "Predator is an iconic monster" thing some weird dream implant? I mean...it was in one OK film and now it's an icon?
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July 19, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST
The movie needed some COLONIAL MARINES ON A BUGHUNT.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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Was there EVER a good Predator movie?? Did I miss it? There was Ahnuld, Glover, the Paul WS Anderson shitballs.... and now Rodriguez. Sounds like a spiral to me. Did we hit bottom yet???
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I too have been calling it Predatards and Pretardeds
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In fact, people won't remember it in 2 years. That's the difference between a classic and summer movie filler.
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Come on people!!!!!
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I don't like how it was trying a little to be a horror movie. I always saw a Predator movie as an action movie. And Danny Trejo died to soon. But none of that matters now because INCEPTION!!! Beleive me, the hype is there for a reason.
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Were They trying to do like a queen alien type bigger and badder thing. It just felt cheap and gimmicky. And it degraded the original predetor creature even more than avp did because now it's not even king of it's own species. They should have made a predator movie about a pack of predators from their perspective hunting something. Exclude the humans for once...
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i enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than Prince of Persia which cost 5 times more money. if these guys had 200 million to spend on a predators film i'm sure they would have made the blockbuster or the summer.
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but not worth more.
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It needed more predators.
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Your first decent review in a while, Harry. And you can even be harsher: Predators is flat out boring. No one great moment, no suspense, not atmosphere, a story that just meanders from here to there. What doesn't work isn't so much fault of a smaller budget, but of a rather lame script. I really like the way Rodriguez makes films, as producer and/or director, but with every new film it becomes more and more evident that he really isn't much of a screenwriter. Rodriguez just wants to shoot, but he's missing the patience it needs to put a good script together.
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I didnt need to see this movie, wait I didn't see it. Clarification- I do not need to see it. <P> AVP could have been the better film. Had it adapted the original 4 part dark horse comics plot. Predator doesnt need an aliens version/follow up sequel. Aliens is aliens, anything that tries to be it will fail and fall into it's fucking face. That pure fucking perfection, and no it cant be outdone in a remake or a rip off. Basically Pred 2 is ok. i mean i forgive it more than the average fan becuase i was young enough to enjoy it mindlessly when it came out. I mean this was the robocop 2 era of action film. Make it fast keep it up there in what the fuck and no ones complaining. Anyways um, yeah Predator needs to fucking crawl into a want some candy hole and fucking die. The first film will always exist, it is what it is. And i dont want the pussy faced ugly muther fucker trying to be like any othe rseries to pull one more dollar into it's bank account. Predator 1. Thats all there is, maybe 2 if it's a slow as fuck day. Move on.
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July 20, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST
Saw "Predators" and "Inception" in same day. Like "Predators" be
by jawsfan
Saw "Inception" first. Nolan's best film since "The Dark Knight". Duh. The effects were cool but the movie as a whole tried too hard to be cerebral and thus bordered on silly. If it weren't directed by the guy whose last film was carried by Heath Ledger's Oscar-winning performance then it probably wouldn't be getting the love-fest response it has. The trailer was cooler than the movie. In typical fashion, Nolan tried to shoehorn every idea he could come up with, whether it fit the overall narrative or not. "Predators" wasn't a great movie, but it didn't have the pretense of being one either. It has its flaws, for sure, but delivers on its promise more than "Inception" did.
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Will someone please put this guy to work?! He's only one of the best action directors to ever do the damn thing. I'd like to say McTiernan's one of the most influential action ditectors, but look around... he's obviously not. Although JJ Abrams was definitely aping alot of McTiernan's moves for Star Trek (Animorphic lens flares, rack focus, whip pans, loads of steadycam). But still, nobody (outside of Gibson and Spielberg) does it any better.
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"I didn't" <p> "Get it, get it?" <p> SHANE BLACK'S THE MAN!
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seemed quite pointless and it just taints the whole predator mythos. The predator 1 predator was a "dog"? Give me a break, why would you do this?
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When Predator 2 first came out I hated how much different it was from the original but now I appreciate all the new things the added to the mythology and the way the predator stayed in character unlike Preda-tards.
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Predators Deliberately drawing a parallel with Aliens, Predators title entices with the promise of an escalation from small group picked off one on one to all out war. Whilst Cameron’s big budget action remake of Scott’s Alien offers something very different to the original, Predators is a similar budget almost shot for shot remake of the original. To get from Alien to Aliens we multiply by several hundred at least, from Predator to Predators its multiply by 4, Dutch’s team of marines in the original numbered half a dozen, our team of protagonists in Predators? Half a dozen. If Predators were an advert there would be white size 8 font writing at the bottom reminding us that “any number above 1 warrants a plural”. Despite some disappointment in terms of scale and numbers Predators otherwise delivers on its premise of another Predator movie. The film opens with an array of Earth based soldiers, murderers and criminals in freefall to a jungle planet suitably tooled up and ready to be hunted. The film hints at a theme of the humans being predators themselves, but this never really materialises as they simply follow the leader, a gruff Adrian Brodey, occasionally saying “F**k!” to show how hard they are. Teases that the soldiers are displaced in time as well as space are unfulfilled as are any attempts to explore the darker recesses of the human characters in any depth, still what do we expect this is just a Predator film isn’t it? A couple of new alien species appear but serve only to illustrate how the Alien creature would have worked better in the third party role. The predators themselves are mostly literally and figuratively invisible and a weighty cameo from Lawrence Fishburn serves only to weaken the threat posed by the supposed deadly invisible creatures, and set up a corridor chase that again harkens back to the more successful Aliens, Predators? More like Predator, Again. The Predator franchise was born in an era pre internet, and when 18 films still provided scares with minimal 80’s gore. Flash Forward to 2010 and Predators does not offer the gory and imaginative traps of Saw, the wit or irony of Starship Troopers or the glossy good natured reboot of JJ’s Trek. Instead it retreads a familiar 80s action path which - post internet, youtube, reality TV and sky news coverage of a facebook updating Geordie gunman being tracked by cops (all in HD) - is not really knowing enough for its audience. Make the humans the stars of a Predator channel, make it that future humans (the Company from aliens) have released both predators and humans onto the planet to watch and learn or actually deliver on your title and have 100 marines vs 50 predators. Ultimately the film is little more than 'more of the same' and so this is really a two hour advert for watching the original on DVD, in fact the film’s resolution is reliant on one of the character’s knowledge of the first film! So what we have is a jungle planet and no more than ten killings of varying ingenuity and a final scene that promises Predators 2 – without the possibility of a change in location to the LA underground. Despite its lack of ambition Predators is enjoyable in its own right, albeit in a very lightweight ‘don’t bother to pause it when you put the kettle on’ way. Enjoying Predators is like absent mindedly finding yourself tapping your foot to “I’m in the mood for dancing” by the Nolan Sisters – no matter how silly you feel having done it next time you are waiting for the wife to come out of the changing room in Debenhams and you hear a 17 year old Coleen Nolan – there goes the foot again!
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IT'S CRAP AND BORDRY IS A BIG NOSED GEEK TRYING TO BE ARNOLD
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Trying to watch it in the UA theatre in Vegas. Why the hell are people allowed to bring babies to films? Especially R rated films? There were loads of them in this showing. One started crying which set them all off. No wonder people download.
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thank you Harry, that was the way i felt about PREDATORS too. and yes, this film makes you appreciate PREDATOR 2 that much more. i wish we'd gotten some more cool Predator weapons and gadgets instead of "Super Predators". and how in the world could they NOT make the creatures from the dropped cages (that had even shed their SKIN) the xenomorphs from the ALIEN movies, but some totally unimpressive gray creature?? i'm not saying this should have been an AVP movie, but since they already set up the cages like that, it would have been nice to have a quick ALIEN in there. also i was wondering... how did the Predators find about about the serial killer doctor (did they do detective work on Earth??) and what exactly is the purpose of bringing him to that planet (is the guy any kind of hunting or combat challenge with his SCALPEL???).
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July 20, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST
jawsfan, Ledger's death had nothing to do with Inception's succe
by MattmanReturns
That argument might be a favorite of Dark Knight naysayers, but it's not going to work for Inception. Gimme a break. Are you fuckers gonna judge Nolan's third Batman movie on its own, or are you still gonna run with that tired Ledger argument all over again, cuz it's all you got? If the third Nolan/Batman movie does well, I can see it now: "Batman 3 is only a success because Inception was a success, which was because Dark Knight was a success, which was because of Heath Ledger's death!" This is getting tiresome.
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Stupid subject cutoff.
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...and that was all. I enjoyed Brody and Braga, and liked Fishburne's overracting in the Ben Gunn role. I suppose calling him Noland was some kind of CASTAWAY joke. Some of the character mechanics didn't work (why does the yakuza guy take his shoes off, and why isn't that used as some kind of plot point, even if only to tip the hat to DIE HARD?). Too many dumb references back to ALIENS (a clumsily-fitted dialogue lift) and the first PREDATOR (high falls near waterwalls, stabbing a creepy-crawlie with a big knife, the end music, yakusa guy going Sonny Landham for no reason whatsoever, mud on chests, Braga's unaccountable knowledge of 20-year old US special forces missions, the mini gun). Make a new movie dammit; this sort of injokery doesn't make good movies, it just reminds the audience how better the movie being referenced is...
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average...I mean...nothing special...wasn't bad...it was just...eh. Brody was good...Fishburn was over the top good...everything else was...eh. Predators...eh.
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I was wondering that all the way through the movie.Is their some Predator database of badasses?How did they get the death-row inmate out of the prison?Must have been pretty poor security in there!How did they know Topher Grace was a serial killer?How did they know the Japanese guy was a Yakuza gangster?He might just have been a guy carrying a gun for self defence,for all the Preds knew.Too much went unexplained in this movie-especially why the Preds never thought to search the derelict space ship,when they had lost track of the humans.And why self destruct your own space ship?A bit like being on a sinking ship and blowing up the lifeboats....
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Let me put it in another way: "I definitely thought this was a tuesday movie, not a sunday movie. On sundays, we like our movies with more stuff you know." Really, Harry, really? You wanted more Bayxplosives or some Shyamalan failtwist in it?
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...well that's probably it for another beloved franchise. After the desecration McG perpetrated with 'Terminator:Salvation' now this boring mess. Hey 'Jawsfan', 'Inception' is a masterpiece (wholly original idea, wonderful ensemble performances, stellar design, emotional depth) while 'Predators' should've gone straight to download.
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July 20, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST
Predators feels like it was written by teenagers
by TakingScorpiosCalls
Even though Predator 1 and 2 have a lot of those f-bombs the scripts still seem like they were written by adults, there's people actually talking with one another like adults even if everyone is getting delimbed left and right but Predators was weird like NO one could say more than 1 sentence at a time, like when theyre being asked where theyre from they just go something like "Chechnya. Bad stuff." And the chick who says "want to see something fucked up?" really weird dialogue.
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Shouldn't one be coming soon? The movie was already released in The States, yes? So, what gives?
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I find this phrse hillarious! First name base mentions of two filmmkaers. Damn, Harry gets a lot of shit for his name dropping, but blatant in cases like this, i feel it's kinda deserved. Robert and Nimrod, Harry? Why be coy, why not call them Robie and Nimry?
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I though they just filmed the first script they found writen on anapkin and gave it to the first filmmaker they found (interest and respect for the franchise or general cinema not optional) and just shove a lot of money to solve the constant problems of the script to the point of needlessly over-inflating a production of a moie that would had been made on a faction of the budget if it had been given to the hands of a capable filmmaker. If that's what a studio would call comitement, then studios should show less.
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I watched the original Predator about a week ago together with Rambo: First Blood Pt II as an “awesome 80s Action“ Double feature and had a blast like no movie in the last few months has given me. It all begins with the team getting out of the copter (Jesse Ventura with cowboy hat and MTV shirt, talkin' 'bout “iconic“) and ends with the ultimate badass Arnie pose (after the Predator bomb hit). For me all we need to know about the Predators is in this movie. It is okay to broaden the universe in secondary literature, but for me there simply is no need for any more movies on these guys. The less you know about them the more awesome these creatures get. Too much exposure is killing the Predator's appeal.
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Granted, it was only a dollar, but it was more fun than PREDATORS. Not exactly better, but more fun. heh, heh.
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Can't wait to see the haters come out of the woodwork to talk about how it's overrated and that the story is weak, then they can go back to jerking off to there copies of "Avatar" on blu ray
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... is not that he as a filmmaker is inspiring, because as many says in here, he's a middle level talent. His most inspiring thing is that he is able to make this moives which he can do them on relatively modest budgets (by Holywood standards), movies which, had they bene made by a studio, they would spent 120 to 150 millions. and Rodriguez can pulls them off on a 40 million budget. If for nothing else, Rodriguez is inspiring in his production savvy.
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If i have to venture a gues,s i think there are people bashing INCEPTION so they can pose as "kewl" and "street" and to show the finger to the man, whatever that means. And there's others who are putting down INCEPTION because they resent a smart movie, they resent a movie that is not made dumb, that is at their own level of intelligence or higher. There's people who actually resent smart cinema, who can't take movies unless they are dumbed down.
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I agree,and I knew it was coming. It's just a shame that people hate simply for the sake of either A) "sticking it to the man" B)being "different" cuz it certainly ain't "cool" to like things that anybody else likes, and/or C)because they are too stupid to enjoy a movie that makes you think. Now I know what you're wondering... If this bothers me so much, why do I keep coming back to this site and reading the talkbacks? Hell if I know
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That was just a trick, so you wouldnt know the real title.. Lucas hasn't told us the real title to Episode 1 yet.. we have to wait for him to tell us. but its NOT The Phantom Menace.
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http://tinyurl.com/2uvgm3a
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July 20, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST
Inception is the best film I've seen since Dark Knight
by MattmanReturns
*patiently awaits the inevitable "FUCK YOOOOUUU MATTMAN!"*
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I saw it earlier this evening. Liked the cold opening; interesting enough premise. I agree with whoever wrote that the boobytraps left by the dead Special Forces soldier should have killed at least one of the new arrivals. Brody and Alice Braga were both solid. I like the way Brody's character took control of the situation at hand without giving a damn whether the others followed his lead, and how he knew straightaway that triage would be necessary for the stronger members to survive (the Yakuza guy was the only other one who seemed to clue into this). Danny Trejo's character was too muted, and definitely underused. The guy from "The Shield" seemed to be this movie's equivalent of Bill Paxton in "Aliens": the herky-jerky, blabbering human shitfit (but minus Paxton's comic relief safety valve).<P>To Harry's credit, maybe it *did* fall flat due to a comparatively small budget (too much exposition, not enough action). However, the simple fact is that McTiernan's original movie (as with the "Die Hard" series) raised the bar so high that any subsequent movies only suffer by comparison. "Let's get the hell off this planet"? (harrumph!)... how about "Let me get the hell outta this theatre, and give me my $10 back as well". IMO a wasted effort, and "no thank you" to a Predators 2.
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"If this bothers me so much, why do I keep coming back to this site and reading the talkbacks? Hell if I know"<br><br>I know exactly what you mean. however, i have my own answer for my own case, which and it: it's fun. Specially on a year filled with so many unremarkable movies (or last year with so many shitty movies), if i'm not going to get my fun from the movies themselve,s i'm going to get it by bashing them, or by talking about them with others, like you. In fac,t the most fun i had about movies this year has been about talking about them, and not watching them, if you know what i mean.
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Only if you make McTiernan direct form jail.
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Only if you make McTiernan direct from jail.
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I have seen some really good movies, but they are not that many. DISTRICT 9 and MOON, for example, pleased me a lot. I was in awe of those movies. But movies that made me feel like i wa sblown away, there's been a while sinc ei sa wone such. Last time was 2008, in fact. And that movie was THE DARK KNIGHT.
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Amen to that, brother. It still puzzles me to no end that Nolan gave us a comic book adaptation that was utterly serious in tone & brilliant in execution (which the geek faithful had been yearning for), and one that stands very tall as a crime drama/thriller in its own right... and still far too many people bitched and moaned.<P>I have complete faith in Nolan's ability to deliver a 3rd Batman movie that will also be superlative. 7/20/2012 can't arrive soon enough.
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If Batman 3 is as good as BATMAN BEGINS, i'll be as happy as a clam, i'll be a very happy moviegoer. Half as good as BB would already be very satisfatory. More then that is all bonus.
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Did you miss (500) Days?
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It wasn't great. But for a first time out for Nolan with this character, it was okay. He was feeling his way throught the Batman world. I don't like that Gotham was drastically different in TDK. Inception is, and should be, the new benchmark for Batman. Will Nolan surpass it? One hopes. Please just drop the Bat voice and he has a chance.
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could be. Him being a huge cunt and all... (and I own Planet Terror) Stick to what you know RR - fun low budget shlock.
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it was just empty, soul-less..and more inexcusably boring. The fighting was abysmal, and why would the predators hunt such easy prey? They could have shoulder lasered them to death a hundred times over once they'd caught up with them. The sequel Predator deserved is already out, its called predator 2.
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The Batvoice is fundamental, and if you can't understand why, stick to the Burton and Shummaker's movies instead.
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Don't be an ass, dickhead. And it's not fundamental. Masking the voice somewhat is necessary but the guttural growl is fucking distracting. Only you would love it because with you, once you deem a movie great there's no criticizing it. In the real world, constructive criticism only helps the creator. Unless they have thin skin which apparently you do.
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and what bothers me about science fiction movies taking place on other worlds, the worlds always seem to be the size of a large city! predators drop prey onto this world and hunt them right? its a fucking WORLD. think of the diversity on oxygen breathing planets like earth alone..imagine how hard it would be to find a needle in a haystack. a world has different geological apsects and civiliations..not just a jungle world, or a city world. even avatar struggles with this concept, although at least Pandora seemed like a small country as opposed to city.
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Predators was a nice change. Without it, Inception and Toy Story 3. it would have been a total waste for movie goers
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First time I heard it, I thought he had a case of chronic laryngitis. It was ridiculously deep. But now I'm happy with it. It makes him sound menacing and beast-like, which is how Batman should sound. When Keaton, Kilmer and Clooney used their Bat voices they still sounded pretty much like, ya know, Keaton, Kilmer and Clooney. Bale sounds like a different kind of entity. He nailed it.
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HE is laughable. as is the batvoice. its as bad as Clinton Spillsbury gettign his voice dubbed for the horrendous Legend of the Lone Ranger. Do Dark Knight Returns. Get Kurt Russell as old Batman.
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...is not the sum of its parts and/or a missed opportunity down to lack of budget is no excuse on why this film is average. I found it entertaining, however I sense that this review is defending the filmakers delivering something average rather than outstanding because they were hindered on budget.
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Bullshit. You prove by bringing up Rambo that a much better, kick ass film could have been made w/ that budget.
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"only if we get the other dangerous critters that the Predators like to hunt" <p> Like say.........ALIENS! <p> REBOOT AVP and make it GREAT.
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That Pride & Predator idea would of been strangly interesting, or set it during something historic, WW2 maybe, Vietnam is probably too close to whats been done. My fav idea would be the middle east/Gulf War (with the predator drawn by heat & conflict of course) & it plays the allies off against the Iraqis etc (it seems ok for The Hurt Locker, Green Zone & Three Kings to cover this subject matter ) /P You now have my attention. The Sierra Leonne war would be a good candidate as well, or the Japanese occupation of Nanjing. Wars where peculiar things can happen and nobody would notice.
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whether i was supposed to view the predators as an advanced species or a primitive one. I mean, they've got all the technology, but 'the hunt' is a fairly base core to your society. Somewhere , is there a predator version of Q hiding in the background? I'd like to meet him. In his lab coat.
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Great summary of what I was feeling, Harry. I was waiting for that third-act bang that never came. Other than that, though, I really liked it.
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He looks a little Henrickson and seemes indestructible, my bad I guess, unless its a second movie thing?<p>I really enjoyed Predators, it was fun, exciting, yes it def needed more oomph at the end but overall an enjoyable and fun monster movie.
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Just repeat that to yourself 3 times before you respond to any of his subjective rants and you'll realize it's not even worth the effort. And, he hates Blow-Jobs too! (says he hates lipstick getting on his little wee-wee)
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Pleased he did.
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Colonial Marines concept needs to be revisited. Should take place after or around the timeline of Aliens. Don't need to continue the story of Ripley, Newt or Hicks. Would be fun to see the Colonial Marines hunting down Xenomorphs.
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It was a fun film, the cast was great and I would enjoy watching a sequel.
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I'm astounded the colonial marines in the Alien universe concept has never been revisited. Like someone said, you don't need Ripley or Newt to make it work. Just a team of baaaad ass space marines with colorful individual personalities going head to head with aliens and/or predators. So simple even Rodriguez and Dimrod could do it.
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July 20, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST
a polite way to say you thought it completely sucked harry
by JackGraham
i know i know, you have to consider R.R's feelings, cos he's sorta your buddy and all. glad you posted this though, thought it would never arrive and you didnt praise it like I thought you would. bravo mr knowles. bravo.
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the comics and the novels were terrific. But...why be concerned with multiplex success? Good writing and great CGI can place Predator in the new immersive technologies, which will replace every theater multiplex (but not IMAX/3d or arthouses) by 2015.
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PREDATORS was kick-ass in every way possible. You're not gonna sleaze your way outta this one, I'm gonna nail you to the wall for this Harry, right to the goddamn wall!!
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...RR and Nimrod or whatever his name is will come out saying that they were stymied on the project due to budget constraints- or that is what RR has imparted to Harry already- hence the review that is on the fence. Lack of money is not why this film was average, even if the action and set pieces remained the same the film would have benefitted from a much tighter script and better editing...
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I say we grease this rat-fuck son-of-a-bitch right now!
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July 20, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST
@thatfilmlover-There's nothing adult about RR's movies
by Monolith_Jones
Like them all you want but they're movies made for 13 year olds
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...reminded me of those horns at the World Cup. Constant and overbearing. But zero-g Cobra Commander was awesome.
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Was very disappointing. Needed a lot of work, "holy shit" moments, an ending, and more...
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but isn't going to share the specifics in talk back. However, it occurred to me that a military sci-fi screenplay I wrote some years ago could be enhanced if it was set on the Predators hunting preserve.
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That this movie (which I haven't seen, but appears to be a piece of shit) gets released the same week that John McTiernan pleads guilty to lying to the FBI.
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A Predator with a personality. The scene where we meet him should have had him with his feet up on a desk, drinking a Predator Latte when he gets the distress call. Then, his wife and kids (fun with female and young Predator designs!) come in and plead with him not to go. But then he pulls up a holo-album and shows that the Predator in charge of the disastrous hunt is an old dojo-buddy (or relative) and he *has* to go. A good mime actor (or coach) could create the Broken Tusk character we admire from the comics. I predict that's what will happen when we put the multiplexes behind us. Don't think that will happen? Google 'Organic Light Emitting Diode Displays' or OLED tech and be amazed.
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I do think there was some value and justification in Predator 2 (the whole "urban jungle" angle), but that's as far as it goes. Everything past that is fanboy nonsense, IMO.
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Nuff said.
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There was barely an original thought in the entire movie. It was all cribbed from Predator...and Team Fortress 2.<P> I can't believe I actually sat through the whole thing. The uber-Predator thing was a lame as I expected it to be, the predator-dogs weren't as bad as I thought they would be.<P> The biggest problem with the movie has to be it makes the predators out to be complete pussies. They're meant to be these baddass hunters but a gang of predators kidnap a bunch of people, take them to an alien planet, drop them in the jungle then send dogs in to test their prey. All the while they have plasma weapons, height and strength advantage, know the terrain and can turn fucking invisible. That's like a human hunting a chimp in a zoo with an uzi.<P> In the first one it was just one predator and he was hunting in it's prey in it's indiginous environment.<P> I think Rodriguez didn't understand what made Predator great and figured adding an 's' to the title and putting more predators in the movie would make it the Predator franchise equivilent of Aliens.<P> ...oh and Lawrence Fishburne was completely terrible in this movie, almost amateurish.
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the glaring diffences between McTiernan's Predator and Nimrod's Predators were even more pronounced. We are thrust into Brody's freefall and descent immediately, a nifty beginning for our ADD age, but lacking in any character development whatsoever. Oh what a few minutes of corny pussy jokes and "sexual TYranasorous" does to endear us to the characters. And Brody's character conitinues to be tense and gruff and I could care less if he lived or died. Not a strong point for the lead character. Fishburne played the crazy survivor, ala Tim Robbins in War Of The Worlds, who, like Robbins was placed in the story to menace the main characters and eventually die. Thanks. And his imaginary friend bit is done more believably by Craig Ferguson during his monologues. And McTiernan filmed the Mexico jungle in a manner that made it a seperate character. The drab jungle environment that Nimrod filmed (in Hawaii?)added nothing to the procedings.<p>All in all, I'm glad that thanks to Movie Cash, it didn't cost me a dime to see.
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not that it blocks the pred vision like explained/shown in P1 but because they forgot to add an explanation to it in here? so people who didnt see P1 wo uld be going "why is he covered in mud?" funniest thing ever.
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<br><br>Didn't the chic say that Ahnold (his character) used mud to hide his heat signature?<br><br>I was disappointed that we never got the "Ugly Motherfucker" phrase... although Fishburne did call them motherfuckers.
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I don't think most folks think that way Harry. People don't care when a movie comes out, they just want to be entertained. They don't give a hump if it's july or december, they just want to see a good flick. And regardless of what people in the industry think, the budget means nothing. Make a good story worth watching and nobody gives a flip what it costs.
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I felt the exact same way. This film had no real "holy shit" moments and it was sorely missed. I found the film boring in parts and underwhelming in others. Good try, but they just didn't "bring it". This should have been balls to the walls action. It just makes me want to buy the new blu of the original. Nobody can F with Arnold, end of story.
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I'm really glad they made it R, but if your gonna do that push the limits a bit...plus it was like the original minus the baddass first action sequence where they fuck up the military guys - pretty much a re-make of the last 2/3 of the original. Def the best of the sequels (although I am not a Pred 2 hater). Hopefully they can do more with a sequel if it happens...
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I didn't laugh at "Mud Brody," but I didn't understand why he'd try to mask his thermal signature, but THEN stand in FRONT of a ring of fire. If anything, the outline of his body would be MORE visible to Wolf Predator that way, not less. Did I miss something? They should have forgone the mud and done the reverse of what Arnold did: "blind" the Predator by hiding one's own heat pattern in OTHER heat patterns--eg the ring of fire, another animal, explosions, etc
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Sorry, but I call bullshit. Yes I agree Topher Grace's character wasn't that great and Fishburn could have been utilized better, but overall it was a violent, bloody good time at the movies. Lest we remember, the original Predator didn't have a giant, world-exploding robot fight at the end either!
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The Bayfication of Holylwood? Yeah, man, i know what you mean? THank goodness for some old timers to still show how things are done properly, and the few newbies who are inspired by those same old timers (like Nolan).
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dug the fuck out of it. VERY entertaining.
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The Bayfication of Hollywood? Yeah, man, i know exactly what you mean. Thank goodness for some old timers who are still around to show how things are done properly, and the few newbies who are inspired by those same old timers (like Nolan).
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simple as that. if you disagree you're a moron. i don't wanna hear any nonsense about the entitlement to a different opinion because there is no other opinion a movie like predators could have other than the one i have. saying you like predators is like saying you like hard not quite cooked rice, or a big mac thats tiny, or wearing underwear that has yesterdays skid marks on it.
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Seriously, does anyone assess the quality of a movie baed on when it's released? I don't care if a movie comes out in the middle of July, or on New Year's Eve, either it's good to watch, or it's not. From what I've gathered, Predators is not good to watch for +$10. Sound much more like a Netflix canidate. I'd say the same thing, regardless of what time of year the movie was released.
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The cast had zero charisma (see the Expendables cast for what the cast should've been). Nothing snapped. The danger. The action. The dialogue. Rodriguez's style of doing everything so cheaply really hurt this film. None of it seemed "BIG." it was all so small and contained.
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Sorry to hear about that. Seems that the recepy to make a good predator, or alien movie for that matter, has been lost and never recouvered. It's as if this people are making this new movies from hear-by, if you know what i mean.
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i saw inception yesterday. i think you'll love it. it's very smart, complex, layered, so much to take onboard in a first viewing, i'm still thinking about it and what the hell was happening. inception is The Matrix meets James Bond meets Avatar meets A nightmare on elm street meets Memento meets Heat. that should be on the poster.
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but for those who liked it ..... http://www.totalfilm.com/news/star-trek-2-filming-in-january
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It was a good, true sequel to the original. It is clear that some people just didn't get it. This movie is certainly not going to please the flash bang modern crowd who want a bunch of explosions, martial art b.s., no character development, tons of terrible cgi, super jiggly camera, terrible television style "acting", etc. This is old school, plain and simple. This is done by some people who obviously had a great loyalty to the first film. And I mean a truly great loyalty. This film goes down the same road as the first film, Predator. Going for the same feel, the same pacing, very similar music, plenty of homages, and everything one could ask for in the way of 80's feel, story, filming (no stupid jiggly camera garbage), slow build as character discover and learn how to deal with the mess they are in, etc. In simple terms, it rocked. Honestly, I've seen some real positive feedback about this film, aside from some snobby types. It was made for those of us who like the first. Having seen the first one in the 80's when I was a teen, I get what they were doing here. They were going for the same vibe and same ride as the first film, while at the same time, adding their own story, their own characters. I've got a few criticism here and there, but nothing I'm going to spend time on here. Both my wife and I thought it was a really good film, and we enjoyed it a great deal. It is one of the most true sequels, in the very literal sense of that word, that I've seen. There were actually people in my theater who stayed and talked about the film afterwords as the credits rolled! For me, this was something special, a breath of fresh air. Good story development, good mix of action and story, intense ending. Adrien Brody did a particularly fine job. No, he isn't Arnold, and isn't trying to be. He's got his own dark, light on his feet, loner thing going on. All in all it was definitely above average.
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your girlfriend too.
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This guy wants Rodriguez to pay him via paypal for his loss: http://assmints.com/blog/?p=1187
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In Vern i trust.
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These days, taking all the time the first film did before bringing in the monster would be unheard of. But they took the time to set up the characters, set up the atmosphere. Things that some people now see as "dead space" work on an emotional wavelength you're not consciously aware of.<p>Then they tell the whole mini-story of attacking the camp and fighting all the human bad guys. Again, setup - we see how tough our protagonists are. These are the best of the best.<p>By that time, we're emotionally invested in the characters, and have experienced their interplay. Only then do we get he hammer of the hunter-monster coming down on everyone.<p>Predators? Just drop everyone in on cosmic parachutes, and hastily spell out their backstories. Then a series of killings with no gravity, no emotional impact. Perfect for today's short attention spans and video-game-addled brains.
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Thank You. Saw PREDATORS on Saturday and it was HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT! When movie is a crap than it really doesn't bother me so much when it is dissapointment. Becouse when it is, it just fucking hurts. And it did with predators. This movie TAKES PLACE ON AN ALIEN PLANET THAT IS'NT BIGGER THAN MY BACKYARD! Terrible, terrible. Rodriguez is full of shit and after his interview that was presented here I now understand why the guy is rebooting his own spy kids series. The end is close for him. machete is not getting my money for theatricl release. I will steal this shit straight from torrentz.
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predators hurt. imagine if you will if Nolan truly screwed up batman 3, imagine if he made a film more akin to batman and robin, imagine your dissapointment, predators is the equivilent to this scenario. i was so angry watching this in the theatre that i shouted out about 2/3 in "this is shit man" i no longer trust any director who bigs up his film prior to release bcos rodriguez bigged this up as being the true sequel predator deserved and he came up with this pile of rhino crap. this may not be the worst film of the year (although it comes close) but it's the biggest dissapointment of the year.
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it will certainly not pass the magic 100 mill domestic and its worldwide take is only 37 mill to date. the figures don't lie.
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And I didn't even like it with vodka in my Cola Zero Theatre Experience, and that always works. Was bad mouthing under my nose becouse I found out crying in this situation pathetic so I controlled myself. FOX is still household name for cash grabbing ball lickers - and Rodriguez praised them in the interview here. And I realised now that saying good things about FOX was just a way to satisfy his ego - how they don't know how he makes movies as cheap as he does, how they were astonished by his Troublemakers studio, how he is a Master to himself in terms of movie production, how they want to leave him with the project and not disturb. So now Fox and we all know - he does all these things at once by taking part in producing dissapointing crap that hurts people who hated AVP and went there with hopes. And hopes are for pussies and I just became one. I haven't seen Inception yet as it opens here in 2 weeks, but so far the only good movie this summer was How to Train Your Dragon for me and it saddens me.
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You sound like a little name calling baby who sits behind his computer trying desperately to get people to believe his views. I could not care less what people like you think, because you seem incapable of holding an intelligent conversation. Good going champ!
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"All in all it was definitely above average." So yes if you are grading it a C+, I'd say thats pretty accurate. Maybe a C at most.
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The guy unloads with a mini-gun, from cover, with total surprise, and can't even hit either of two men. That was my SECOND indication that the director had no idea how to build tension or character. Nimrod is all about the empty, un-earned moment.
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You are talking directly out your anus hole.
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Children of Men, There Will Be Blood, Munich, Michael Clayton, The Good Shepard, Good Night and Good Luck, though District 9 and Moon were great, they did not blow me away. I may even add The Assassination of Jesse James up there. I did not expect much from Predators, and damn I got even less than I expected, there was just nothing there, it all had a very rushed feeling to it, don't know quite how to put it.
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District 9 and Moon did impress me quite a bit with regards to how much was done with so little budget (D9) to how much was done with so little period (Moon). I will gladly take intelligent storytelling over typical ADD oriented typical Hollywood empty pablum B.S. any day.
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Using the sole criterion of whether the filmed lived up to the hype that AICN has been piling on to it. Really, Harry, different standards for movies released in July or February?
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...as a voice of reason in this mashed together "Predators/Inception" whinefest?? Asimovlives??? The wackjob who went on a 4 month Al Queda like hatebomb fest on JJ's Trek? (BTW sequel starts shooting Jan 2011 so start stockpiling your best "F*ck JJ" bon mots now). Can't be him.....
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I notice a talkbacker remarked that sci-fi worlds often feel like "cities" because we only see such a small variety of environment, when planets such as Earth have endless features. This is obviously true to an extent - but it's not really a sound argument. Remember, in movies we generally follow the characters. A character could be on an alien planet and explore 5% of it, thus we see that part of the planet. Also, there's obviously practical/budget reasons most films aren't going to be able to show us an alien planet with Earths variety. Also, look at many planets in our Solar System. They don't have the life or variety of Earth, do they? There could be planets with alien life that don't have Earths variety. To criticize a film for this makes little sense to IMO.
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i apologise. i was out of line. i was just kidding, making reference to my post regarding predators and morons. it was late and i was feeling sarcastic. please accept my apologies for insulting you and your girlfriend.
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Rodriguez "hasn't made a great film like Tarantino." Just because they are buddies is no excuse to compare a studio-approved B-movie director to possibly America's greatest living art director? Rodriguez makes genre films, Tarantino makes art films that are inspired by genre films, and on top of that is considered one of our best filmmakers. It's like comparing Nimrod Antal to Hitchcock... unfair comparison.
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You should not miss Toy Story 3, as it was truly great.
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You should not miss Toy Story 3, as it was truly great.
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he is one of the biggest rip off artists around. he openly admits to it. he always describes his films as "it's my version of such and such, this is my such and such. i like his films, especially pulp fiction, but he's no original. he just seems original because most of us havnt seen the films he's ripping off.
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I don't know why I skipped that one, the 1st one was great, the 2nd I thought was so-so. Right now I'm all caught up in The Wire, and waiting for Mad Men. Damn, it's gonna be frustrating watching only 1 episode a week. Rescue Me has left me kinda cold so far this season, only a few laugh out loud moments per episode, also much less darkness. Watched the White Ribbon this weekend, gonna have to re-watch eventually, too many characters to keep track of who was who's kid. Honestly, my two favorites in my current collection are La Haine and City of God. Those two are musts for any film fan.
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http://www.toolian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9924&start=45
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an hour of Avatar in first viewing- then little bits here and there at other screenings. He didn't even like matrix 2 because he felt left out that nobody in the film looked like him. So my question is why would you want reviews from this guy who misses the best event pictures ever made and doesn't experience them as intended? I propose that the site be given to me so that I may disband it. Dissa- pointed.
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there were no werewolves and vampires and unicorns and smurfs or some shit? "This movie coulda been so much more, if only it had mythical creatures."
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Nothing can ever please a fanboy. Nothing is ever done well enough. Every fanboy could do it better in their little fantasy world. With that said, I enjoyed Predators. Was it the greatest movie ever? No. But I was able to enjoy it without comparing it to every movie I ever saw. I feel sorry for you guys. You will never be happy or satisfied.
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Harry managed to massage Sly's balls in a predators review. A +
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I am aware of that, and have seen those You Aren't Fooling Anybody clips. I also am familiar with some of the Hong Kong John Woo movies he rips off and so forth. But there is an art to collaging other ideas into a new piece of work I think... I would compare what he does to Bob Dylan's "Love & Theft", from which many lyrics are outright stolen from different obscure sources throughout history without any type of credit given, but is considered to be very good work anyway, or possibly even because of.
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Cool that you are up on TV, I don't have a whole lot of time, or as much as I would like to just soak up all the cool things going on. I am very much looking forward to The Walking Dead
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What would you want, have Brody take over that spaceship and fly home. Doesn't that feel rather silly? It was a much morerealistic ending the way it is. Does it have to have a sequel just because they don't get home? No it does not. There's no difference between this ending and the Inception one.
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The girl explains at the waterfall how Arnold hid by covering himself in mud. She says that to Brody. You must have missed that.
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I've said it a million times, Predator in Afghanistan/Middle East. Yeah, I said Predator as in one. And how about using the Predator 2 design since no movie (not even Predators) can get the Anytime design correct? Jesus. You have a team who are sent in to rescue someone or some shit and here you can do the copycat shot of the first movie with them all coming out of a helicopter (A Predator movie needs a helicopter). And you have the team AND the enemy both being taken out by the Predator. And make the Predator wild. Maybe still believes in the hunt but he's not against taking out innocents. Maybe he's been there a long time and a bit loopy. I picture the hero kidnapped and tortured and the Predator comes in takes out the bad guys, looks at the hero and is all fuck him, he's dead. Of course, the hero comes back in the end and beats the Predator. And I can picture the Predator's cloaking tech fucking up in the sand. Movies look great in my head.
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It was called Predator 2 & it was better.
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you havent seen inaception yet or what???? cmon, fck the half assed predator remake. lets talk abt the real shit. WHEN.CAN.WE.SEE.YOUR.INCEPTION.REVIEW?
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This film may have been a little bit of a re-tread of familiar ground, but the whole point of the film I felt, was to change the tone of the franchise. This was less Big Muscle Action/Sci-Fi monster, than it was to take a franchise that isn't known to be intelligent and turn it into a survival horror. Much like R. Scott's Alien, which I agree thats lofty and Predators fell short. However, Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriquez delivered a movie both entertaining and well thought out enough that there's room for a sequel and a possible true-to-the-books AVP, ala Dark Horse comics. so fuck all of you who didn't think it was good...Your A Goddam liar if you even think the yakuza/predator sword fight wasn't fucking cool. Also, Harry if you can't see the merits of that film and then hold it to the original then your missing the point.
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All the characters were exactly how they should be. Except I wish Topher Grace would finally stop being given a free ride, he was sort of creepy (shrug). Minus Topher Grace, all of those actors looked and acted exactly how they should have. Very true to reality charcters.
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I agree with your verdict and i hoping for an epic sequel.<p><p> However, your point about the film not deserving the 'S' in PREDATORS is a little off the mark.<p> Certainly it refers to the introduction of a new, slightly underwhelming breed of Pred, but moreover, it refers to the film's dialogue about the prey being chosen because they themselves are the Earth's Predators, thus equally the titular Predators.<0>I think this was strong aspect of this movie only hinted at until now.
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In double bill with Inception. That's Japanese release dates. I know someone called it in a TB back when the trailer came out, but the shot of all those shoulder cannon targets on Brody in the trailer vs. the lone one in the actual film... SO LAME. It's like "here's what you want to see, and now we'll make you think it is in the movie, won't what comes next be amazing?" and then in the film "Okay, we lied, no one could ever get out of that anyway." I know it was probably all the marketing department, politics, blah blah blah, but sad they felt like they had to promise something they know people want to see... but didn't actually put it in the film!
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what a fucking waste of time. is everyone fucking retarded or what?
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If I recall, I'm sure I read in the magazine Empire (UK) that RR is considering making a prequel, telling the backstory of the Fishburne character. Why??? We know what happens to him in this new film...it's like the prequel that's being made to Carpenter's 'The Thing' - with Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Hottie McTottie) hanging with the Scandinavian group that pull The Thing out of the ice before it moves on to Kurt Russell's camp.....YES, we know what happens already - i.e no point in making these type of prequels. P.S Alice Braga was bloody sexy.
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I can't muster enough energy to hate on that fetid piece of shit. It was too bland to hate. It's "meh" all the way for me, I'm afraid.<P> Ban Rodriguez from making ANYTHING else. WTF happened to him? Does anyone remember when his movies were GREAT, like DESPERADO and FROM DUSK TIL DAWN? Remember THAT shit?? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED??<P> Fuck PREDATORS. Someone make the next big monster SF movie, PLEASE!! PREDATOR is over. Arnie won.
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The story was thin to say the least. I actually didn't care if any of the characters got killed. I hated the wolf idea. Why do that? The original predator wasn't tough enough? Terrible ideas and lazy writing. This movie had no weight to it. And Adrian Brody's Jewish nose is the most distracting thing in the movie.
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