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Have You Seen Entertainment Weekly's Photograph From The Straight-To-DVD LOST Sequel??
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Yes, there’s a sequel to “Lost,” but it’s not called “The Hunted Ones” (as the Stephen King novel “Under The Dome” teased).
It’s a 12-minute short called “The New Man In Charge,” which is an extra on the season-six DVDs and Blu-rays on shelves next month and deals with what happened after Jack put Hurley in charge of The Island.
The photo suggests Ben will have an audience of whispering ghosts as he goes about Mr. Reyes’ bidding. I wonder if Stewardess Cindy is lurking about.
Find all of Entertainment Weekly's “first look” photo essay here.
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[Comment deleted by Hugo Reyes]
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Just sayin'
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They had already decided that the mystery of the island wasn't important enough to reasonably conclude in a two-hour finale. Why would 12 minutes make things any better?
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nice.
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They just didn't get it. Giant cosmic buttplug is not an answer, it's a shitty plot device.
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They just didn't get it. Giant cosmic buttplug is not an answer, it's a shitty plot device.
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Just red herring on top of red herring, cliffhanger on top of clifferhanger, mysterious circumstance on top of mysterious circumstance that created "tension" and "atmosphere" and masked the fact that they basically had no idea what they were doing.
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Great storytelling that leaves you with countless interpretations...but no lost, just sucked in hindsight... my eyes shall never peer at that nonsense ever again
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How I've missed thee. Even the predictable haters bring back nostalgic feelings of all those days after lost aired, reading the talkback when I should have been working.
What I hate most about the haters is this. Remember when everyone bitched about it going on too long 'cos you weren't getting answers so Darlton set the 6 season limit? All you did was screw us people over that LOVED the show for what it was and not hated it for what it wasn't. You never got most of sodding answers and we could be getting excited about season 7 right about now!
Anyway rant over, best show of the 00's? Gets my vote... -
Jul 19, 2010 5:09:52 PM CDT
If there was ever to be a class action lawsuit against a show...
by dapper swindler
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everything will be answered in a logical fashion in those super-special-secret-special-edition-extra-scenes-bluray-exclusive. be sure to reserve your copy today!on another note, im truly amazed at how quickly this show has vanished from the collective psyche. Californication = 9/11/2010 peeps!
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The show has been over yet they wanna keep posting crap to my timeline...worst part is the hundreds or thousands of people who still "likes" it despite bein screwed and dicked over...
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Soprano's, Six Feet Under, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Shield, The Wire. Shit I'd take the last 4 years of FRIENDS over Lost any day of the week.
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I'd take season 1 of Joey over Lost anyday. Maybe not Season 2 though.
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Dollhouse bitches!
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I need to watch Dollhouse and Firefly at some point.
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Sometimes the best answer is none at all. What name for the man in black would have satisfied you, for example, or the what of the smoke monster itself? Phantom Menace demystification, that's what lies in answers.
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Many slow episodes but season 2, FUCKIN EPIC...plus Rick Fox!
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But I don't regret watchin any of it...plus Rick fuckin Fox!
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I guess I'm an asshole cause I loved most everything about LOST.....yeah there was some stuff that I felt got left out and no show is perfect especially when it comes to season finales.....still pretty fucking top show
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Loved it from the start, still love it and will still rewatch it all. Wish that some major things would have been handled better in the very end but still enjoyed where it went. Kinda do wish we got a Spin off called the Hunted Ones or a Tv movie to wrap up but whatever... Love means accepting certain flaws.
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...but after the final season AND the finale, must say...the creators blew it. They had 2.5 good seasons. The rest was filler. They lost their way. It's unfortunate. The show will be a footnote in TV history.
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That's obviously Ben visiting the Dharma-staffed food-drop facility. No whisper ghosts there.
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Fuck this noise. Those clowns aren't fooling me again.
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Why no LOST panel at comic con? Are they afraid of getting pelted by fruit?
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They can fall for this bullshit.
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Jul 19, 2010 5:46:54 PM CDT
THERE'S A SAYING THAT THE JOURNEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DES
by canidate_micheal
I know alot of people don't agree,but FUCK I love LOST...and I watched them all over again and the shit still kicks.... Come supporters stand up if your with me!!!!
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not talking to ghosts
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as will explanations for the Dharma food drops, the Hurley bird, etc.
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''Ben is going around to Dharma installations and closing some down,'' Emerson says. ''There are some good surprises.'' And yes, ''it does answer questions.'' Woops, Herc doesn't even bother reading his own links. Oh well.
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It takes place before the scene with Jack at the church.
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Never has anybody so wasted my fucking time. Mysteries work because at some point we at least get a better idea of the answer. Lost fucked us up the ass without asking and didn't even stay for dinner. Anyone who thinks the ending was clever and abstract is a braindead shit-eating sheep. Bahhhhh BAAAAHHHH!!!
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Jul 19, 2010 6:50:59 PM CDT
This is like GALACTICA's "The Plan" to me
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Loved BSG but I had no reason to go back to it once the storyline had finished. It's the same here.
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Who cock-teased you for six years then wouldn't put out during senior year, even at the prom. I mean, it was pretty and all, easy on the eyes, engaging, but, in the end, if you don't make with the goods...
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We'll discover the secrets behind...L O S TFucking pass. You had your chance, bitch! We're fucking a hotter chick now. Go to hell! And give me back my prom!
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Jul 19, 2010 6:55:56 PM CDT
Hey, in this sequel that's not 'cause RPLocke says it's not
by the bicycle sharer
Does Benjamin Linus strangle Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof with a fucking lamp cord? 'Cause if he does (and it's gotta be realsies, no fakes) then I'd definitely pay money to see that.
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FUCK. THOSE. HACKS.
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Hear, hear!
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Was a huge fan right until the last 10 minutes... most spectacularly unimaginative ending they could have come up with.
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LOST sucks. I was miserable through each episode of those six seasons and I'll continue to be miserable after I buy the series DVD set. F**k you Darlton for making this show that I hate to watch with a passion. The people on this TB would have written a FAR, FAR better ending to your show because they're not whiny dumbasses who think LOST is the new SNL (i.e. trendy to hate). These TB'ers own you Darlton. They always will.
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A 12-minuto mulligan buttfuck. And they say romance is dead.
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Angie Harmon said the following about her new show: "It's not for stupid people." Similarly, LOST is not for stupid people, but a lot of stupid people watched anyway. This was clearly a mistake. The show was confusing, no doubt, and some questions either had vague answers or no real answers at all, so you were confused further. Let's be honest, though, because man of your are in fact stupid, you would have been confused anyway. So this doesn't mean LOST was a bad show, only that you need to be choosier about what you watch. Please, for all our sakes, if it doesn't have CSI and a colon in front of it, the show may not be for you. There's no shame in being stupid, but there is shame in broadcasting it to the world with lots of stupid questions and comments. Now, leave this talkback, go sit down on your couch (try not to trip over the dog in the process), and wait quietly for a David Caruso one-liner that you're bound to find hilarious and feel compelled to share at the water cooler tomorrow. Dismissed.
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Jul 19, 2010 7:36:45 PM CDT
the LOST troll's penises grow 1/2 inch every time they troll
by billboefett
thats why they keep showing up here
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It's official... this site is now called "Ain't It Old News"... horrible change, imo. Can't wait for new Hurley/Ben centric stuff!
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It had a real emotion weight that I thought resonated. The last season? More of a swing-and-a-miss. If the Sideways world was always Purgatory, I don't think we needed a full season of it.
(Now if you'll excuse me, I'm currently using all of my geek rage to bitch about the assholes who resurrected my dead uncle and made my 22-year comic run moot) -
Lol its been a while since I could jump into a "haters" vs "apologists" type of battle...but yea bilboe, no offense, your mom is a hoe...fo sho
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Not sure if I pointed this out to you, but the island had Jack’s appendix removed 3 years prior to MIB/Locke stabbing him in that spot, which allowed him to live just a little bit longer so he could “lift it up, brotha” and replug the core inside the cave.
If his appendix was there, it would’ve burst and he would’ve been dead in seconds.
That’s Darlton’s genius preplanning 3 years in advance, plot-wise.
That’s why they did a recall to it in the “alt” world, his appendix scar.
And they pointed out in the s3 commentary that his appendix HAD to be removed, for a very specific reason to come much later.
And Jack plugging the hole is a reference back to Desmond telling him in the s2 opener “you gotta lift it up brotha” (which was then a reference to his sprained ankle).
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so your penis is up to about 1.5 inches now then?
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Technically im sorry to hear about your loss bilboe, but people die so I shall continue thinkin your mom was a ho fo sho...you should be happy tho, she's in heaven suckin off jfk
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something that would make me want to revisit the show again and again in the future. Something that would've MADE ME WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY and want to own this show on disc.
Everything in the season finale did the opposite. Flash-sideways is a red herring without logic (DHARMA SHARKS IN AFTERLIFE!!)
What's the point of rewatching any part of seasons 2-6, knowing that Widmore is another Red Herring?
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Get off your high horse jackass.Fans have a right to be pissed off with the final season. The whole flash-sideways was a cop out and we finally see that the emperor has no clothes and no answers are forth-coming. I doubt 10% of the audience are as well read as Darlton (e.g. Haroun and the Sea of Stories) but that doesn't get them off the hook. There was plenty of time left to map things out properly and answer questions rather than ask 20 more.Trendy to hate Lost? Go fuck yourself!!
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It seems kind of obvious that the pic above is a flashback for Ben, from just after the purge or whenever he became leader of the island, contrasting Hurley in the "present" time as the new leader of the island. Ie the flashback compliments the present story. I could be wrong though
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How was Widemore a Red Herring? Ben shot him. He was one the few characters on Lost that had an ending.
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I am in a bit of a lousy mood.
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That's 'cause she was a skank Nazi-cum guzzling traitor who agreed to some multi-horse-cock vagina shit with Dr. Mengele. And she ain't in heaven. She's in hell, taking it up the ass from Saddam and Hitler. And she LIKES it!
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Jul 19, 2010 9:01:00 PM CDT
In no way was that last remark uncalled for, MapMan
by the bicycle sharer
In fact, if it'll make you feel better, I'll call for it:MapMan would you please tell that asshole Epsilon to go fuck himself?There. Anybody who blanket accuses everyone who voices a complaint with the last season or episode of Lost of being "stupid," deserves to get told to fuck off. Constantly. Forever.
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What kind of degenerate makes fun of dead mothers who are hoes? get some class you ahole!
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(And there's no goddamned E in Widmore!) 'Cause he had no fucking purpose and no plan. That's fucking how. He was there to fucking bring Desmond? For what? To get dumped in a fucking well then to pull a fucking rock out of a hole? (As opposed to sticking a COCK INTO a hole, which is what the producers of LOST did to the audience.) A plan which, by the way, was in no fucking way contrary to what FLocke wanted - he wanted the fucking butt-plug removed so that the island would sink or whatever and he could escape. Fucking brilliant. Widmore was there for RED FUCKING HERRING just like Desmond and the magic electromagnetism that enabled him to see alt-LA, oh, no, wait, it's HEAVEN!!! Ha! Ha! We tricked you! Yeah, you tricked me Lost. You're so brilliant, Lost. And since you ARE so brilliant Lost, what exactly was the plan to return "the Constant" to the island to get zapped with electromagnetism for again? To see fucking heaven? That was the big plan? Well, fuck Lost -- that last season sucked.
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I already own season 6 thanks to iTunes. I don't plan on buying the DVDs as well!
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And fuck your mother, too. And fuck his dead mother, the Nazi fucking whore! You can't take the fucking truth about your dead whore mother then don't go running around starting shit like..."The LOST troll's penises grow 1/2 inch every time they troll."Who the fuck are you, stepDADDY'S little cocksucker, to be the fucking goddamned arbiter or what is or isn't appropriate? How the fuck do you know, you ignorant goddamned motherfucking, daddy cocksucking tool, that his mother is dead?!?!?! 'Cause he TOLD you so?!?!?! He also said your dick was a 1/2" long? That true, too, you midget-ball-licking ass wart? If his mother IS fucking DEAD, she's probably hiding her goddamned Nazi dick guzzling head in shame at her retarded sixty-five year-old son who's posting the sentence "the LOST troll's penises grow 1/2 inch every time they troll." I mean, how goddamned retarded can you be, yourSTEPDADDY'S tea bagger? If his motherfucking disgusting excuse for a mother died in WWII (which ended in 1945, you ignorant fuck) then he's SIXTY-FUCKING-FIVE-GODDAMNED YEARS-OLD and posting shit about talkbackers' dick size 'cause they disagree with him. I'll join you in a hardcore round of blowing your fucking STEPDADDY if that ignorant piece of shit excuse for a talkbacker is a day over thirty, you idiot!
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Fucking ignorance. Get a fucking calculator, you moron. Read a fucking book. WWII ENDED SIXTY-FIVE YEARS AGO!!!Oh, wait! Fuck me! I am wrong. He said his mother died in WWI. That's WORLD WAR ONE!!! That means he's fucking NINETY-FUCKING-TWO!!! You think that's possible, yourSTEPDADDY? Huh? You ignorant twat? You think that's likely? I mean, you looked down at the shriveled excuse for a pecker you've got and said, "Fuck, how did HE know my dick was 1/2" long?!?!? He must be telling the truth!!! Oh, God, don't insult his mother --- WHO DIED IN WORLD WAR I!!!"You, yourSTEPDADDY, are, without a doubt, the stupidest motherfucker that I have ever met. Or seen. Or heard about. You're the kinda fuck that Dumb and Dumber thinks is a fucking imbecile.
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But lmao to your rant, I appreciate it (nonsarcastically)...anyway fuck you bicycle and fuck bilboes ho fo sho of a mother!
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I love it! Aicn make random lost tbs everyday!
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...it's like being served ice cream for dessert after a big dinner of dog shit.
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Fuck you massa for your "trollbashin" in your inception review...fuck you leo dicrapio for bein in inception...fuck you craig robinson for not bein funny on last comic standing...fuck you yourSTEPDADDY for makin a list of fuck yous...and fuck you jay2517, the gayest used carsalesman ever (hopefully he comitted suicide already)...
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Jul 19, 2010 9:33:22 PM CDT
LMAO!!! Are you fucking kidding me, yourSTEPDADDY?!?!?
by the bicycle sharer
Well, don't I just have egg on my face. Apparently, MapMan ain't the only one having a bad day, huh? ;-) Of course, that's better than what's on bilboe's mom's face - Nazi horse jizz!And you know what, I kinda miss those flame wars from back in the day, too! But then, those flame wars mean that this is like the seventh screen name for me around here so... maybe I should abstain in the future!
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Unless you kill murtagh in the next LW
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Yeah, falling on deaf ears in a Lost talkback, but still!! FX is pulling a Friday Night Lights for this fucking underrated gem of a show so hallelujah.
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My bad..
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that was quick
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Yup, when you have a finale that basically negates the importance and meaning of the entire series, you can bet the hatred will be swift and severe. And deservedly so.
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Very, very, very unclearly. I could get behind that.
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Desmond was there to help Jack plug the island! GOOD GOD DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE SHOW!!
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Were workimg together. Anyway, if the island was destroyed Smokey would be free in our world, but the flash sideways world would be cut off from the island world.
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the whole mythology was just filler conjured by the writers, it could be anything...
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Cool. I guess.
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I get the sense that you're probably one of those people who watched the "recap" episodes of seasons 1-5, then watched the 6th season. I work with a couple of those people, and they all tend to think the finale was an "okay" way to wrap up the show.
I've noticed that the more time invested in the show, the more pissed everyone has been about the end.
Widmore was a big fucking red herring, in the worst way. Did you watch the same show? Remember Ben warning Widmore in Widmore's bedroom? Widmore funding Locke as he traveled the world? Ben and Widmore's "rules"? Sun visiting Widmore, offering information on Ben? Where was the payoff to any of that? Widmore shows up at the end, delivers Desmond, and dies. boom.
Wait, let me think through this ending - Widmore, hating his son-in-law, takes him back to the island because he has a hunch that his son-in-law is "highly resistant to Electromagnetism." The DHARMA initiative discovered that strong electromagnetic fields cut a hole into a parallel universe with dharma sharks that's actually the afterlife and Desmond has to... ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS????
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I think you need to watch the show. Dsmond was used to to the Flash Sideways and awaken people with his powers. If Widemore and Smokey succeeded in destroying the island, the people in the flash sideways would never wake up and be trapped there.
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I refused to hate on the show after it ended even though I knew the showrunners exposed themselves as shysters. I had invested too much in the show and the show had provided me a great deal of excellent entertainment over the years. But it's pretty telling that I have zero interest in seeing this 12 minute lostisode or whatever they want to call it. There's nothing that can be done in 12 minutes... not even 12 hours... that could make the show as a whole appear to be anything more than a couple of fairly creative shysters making shit up on the fly with wildly mixed results.
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Goddamn, you're a fucking idiot, RPLocke, and I say that, not in anger, but in absolute fucking calm assurance of truth. Anybody else here think that Widmore's big secret plan was to electro-magnetize Desmond to "plug the island" that wasn't even UNplugged until Desmond unplugged it? Anyone? Anyone at all? Just raise your hand? Anyone who thinks Widmore brought Desmond to the island to "plug the island" which wasn't UNplugged until DESMOND unplugged it AFTER Widmore brought him to the island? Just raise your hand. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?See, RPLocke, you ignorant fucking slut, Desmond can't be there in Widmore's plan to "plug the island" if it hasn't been UNplugged and, in fact, DESMOND WAS THE FUCKING ONE WHO UNPLUGGED IT, MORON! GOOD GOD DID **YOU** EVEN WATCH THE SHOW!!
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More or less. Anyway, 12 minutes? It takes Lost that long to clear its throat.
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You continue to show your idiocy. Flash sideways? There was no flash sideways, idiot. That was purgatory. Call it what it fucking is. Flash sideways is a term for alternate universes and alternate realities, neither of which had shit to do with the final season of Lost.And that Widmore (IT'S WIDMORE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT, NOT WIDEMORE - CAN YOU FUCKING SPELL?!?!?) and Smokey were going to destroy the island is made up bullshit. Why would Widmore bring Desmond to "plug the island" as you said, you goddamned cretin, if he wanted to destroy the island?!?!?! And why would THAT have anything to do with purgatory?!?!? Motherfucker, you are a ton of stupid in a tiny little moniker!
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MORON! For someone who acts like they got all the answers ("Desmond there to plug the island, brought by Widmore to do so, but Widmore wanted to destroy the island... uh, fucking, uh, wh-what!!!"), you'd think you'd at least know the fucking characters names.
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I'd disagree. No way was the show dead during the great season 3 finale. Or Season 4's "The Constant". Some of the finest television I've had the pleasure to watch.
That being said, the show definitely died far too prematurely. I'd say it was the emergence of the "let's nuke the island" story line near the end of season 5... which if I'm not mistaken emerged during the episode "The Variable". Somewhat ironic the showrunners considered that the counterpart to one of the series best episodes "The Constant". The jughead storyline was botched badly, and all we could do was hope there was a payoff. But instead it turned out that it was a red herring. Attention all showrunners, present and future: You do not create a storyline as insipid and illogical as the jughead storyline and make it a red herring. Have some friggin' respect for yourselves and your audience. -
Imagine reading a good murder mystery book. Then you got to the final chapter and you didn't find out who the killer was. In a nut shell, that's why people are pissed after the final episode ( and season). The show was promoted as an ensemble cast on a mysterious island. And it ended with a "... the mystery isn't important!" conclusion. fuck that noise.
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Lost was like reading a murder mystery novel to come to find out its a comg of age story about daddy issues...and then you don't find out who the killer was
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Love Lost, my favourite show of all time, loved the final. Can't wait for the full Blu Ray set and this will be the reason I buy a blu Ray player (any suggestions?)
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Boycott the DVDs, the show "crossed the sea," etc, etc. If the sequel was 108 minutes, then I might consider getting the DVDs.
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Jul 20, 2010 12:11:54 AM CDT
"Direct-to-video Lost sequel" Fuck You Herc
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
And your "click my articles" deception tactic bullshit. I mean this is what you fucking do for a living, this is your fucking skill, writing these bullshit little blurbs to get people to click on your shitty pointless articles and which are nothing but a dressed up amazon link or whatever. Fucking worse than useless.
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is that somethings were left unanswered.
Reading a lot of comments on the talkback through the last season really got to see that people wanted the answer to be their answer, actually scratch that, they both wanted an answer and didn't want an answer and that is the dilemna. I think that it would have been impossible for the showrunners to provide answers that would have satisfied everyone.
What I will take from Lost and why I will keep rewatching it, is because of the characters, who they are their development, their interaction and the overall story
Rewatching some of the pre season 6 epsiodes prior to season 6, I found myself enjoying Lost more than the first time around, I sat back got into this world, enjoyed the characters and the amazing story play out, rather than trying to find every clue, every piece of the puzzle and I think thats how it works so well from a watchback perspective.
But at the same time, there is stuff that was unanswered including the origin of the island itself and these are the things I will continue to discuss and debate with lost fans for hopefully some time to come. -
BLOW ME!
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PS3 PS3 PS3 and, uh - oh yeah! PS3
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Jul 20, 2010 12:15:28 AM CDT
#1 reason not to buy the LOST DVD set?
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
C O S T
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I have a feeling that I will cancel my order for the complete series on Blu-ray some time in the next few weeks. The finale should have made me want to watch it all over again, but even after just a month or so, I already feel the opposite.
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I'll take Ben Bailey over Ben Linus any day of the week.
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I remember during the writers' strike, Carlton was carrying around a sign that said, "Don't you want to know what The Island is?"
I did then, and now that the show us over--guess what? I still do. Makes me want to go back to the strike line in a time machine and kick him in the shin. -
A lot of people above have laid out their criticisms of Lost, but I think there is a lot of good things that showrunners need to learn from Lost.
Key one for me, is start the story out relatively simple, create great characters, that the audience can know and love, and then expand your story. I compare this to Flash Forward recent example which had a very big story from the beginning and for me didn't work well in TV, was interesting, but not amazing, we were lost in the largeness of the story, it seemed like they tried to change it, but did not succeed enough/and it became too late.
Whereas Fringe (probably my favourite show on Network TV and one of my favourite shows at the moment) followed a similar track to Lost and I think really stepped up in season 2.
The other key lesson of course, is end date, no series really needs to go beyond 5/6 season, my second favourite show of all time X-Files was tarnished somewhat with it not having a proper ending.
I look at whats left on Network TV, and the upcoming shows and definetely do not see a lot of ambition there, hopefully I am proved wrong.
Will have to get my ambitious TV from AMC with Breaking Bad and hoefully Rubicon (looked promising from the pilot) and Walking Dead (Also looking promising).
Whilst I am ranting, can someone please make a Preacher TV series, a Y the Last Man series, an Ex Machina series, 100 Bullets, Transmetropolitan.... -
Yeah have an x-Box, but haven't got a PS3 yet, good idea thanks
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WHOo!
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Lost had some GREAT individual episodes, and some truly amazing moments, but the way they ended the show and explained things (or rather, DIDN'T explain things) does NOT make me want to go back & watch them again. it really did kind of ruin the whole replay value for me.
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I stayed away from AICN during the finale mostly because I didn't want the average rabid fanboy with overwhelming expectations to ruin everything. This is the first time I've ever gauge a sample reaction of how this community felt about the finale. I'm glad I stayed away.
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I don't actually own a Blu-Ray player or a PS3 yet myself. But as the price of the PS3 continues to drop I can't really find any reason to NOT purchase one as my Blu-Ray player. Their Blu-Ray reviews are (mostly) really solid, you get the option to play PlayStation games (which I've done a ton at friends houses and always enjoyed) AND they seem to be doing better than a lot of manufacturers with those dang firmware updates (probably because they release them through their online network, though).
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WATCH OUT HOMIE!!!!!!!!
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I ever said Widemore brought Desmond to plug up the island. It was Widemore wanted Desmond Dead, and he had Locke throw him down a well.
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During the short ass season four no one seemed to give a rip about anyone.
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Yep. It really, really does. Half an idea bloated into six seasons of mostly nonsense. Worst finale ever.
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I stop by here everyday. I just don't always find something I wish to comment on.
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ur lack of not "getting" Lost is still funny as shit to read. its not a hard show to follow really lol. i figured all u idiots would stay in the Inception tb but, oh well. poor 'ol steppy hates Lost cause it made his militant atheist reel with a hint of *GASP* religious overtones (cant have THAT in his pitiful world AT ALL). oh yea...FUCK YOU steppy...poor little Lost troll that he is BROTHA...
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GQ, Unicycle Sharer, and the oh so mighty UBERTROLL cowardBOYtexass. fuck u all straight up the goat ass old man...
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two idiot Lost trolls tear into each other lol! its like the dumb eating the ass. u go steppy and idiot sharer!!!
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I think the reason a lot of people are pissed off by the ending is that it's a bit like the Bobby Ewing cop out, where they negated a whole season of events in the that time top series Dallas, by having a main character who they wanted to bring back, but unfortunately had killed previously, reappear by making it appear that everything that had happened in that season had all just been a dream. I admire the balls of sheer "Fuck You" to the audience they did with that, but was it a show of respect for its audience ... uh ... I don't think so.
Same goes with Lost: it's not so much that the answers they gave were less than satisfying, but it was the fact that so much that had been pointed out and hinted at was sacrificed by the makers for whatever reason, that it very much felt like a betrayal to the audience.
I didn't need an answer from the makers that would concur with my own, but at least I needed one which respected all that had happened before in the series.
It just leaves a bitter taste of seeing the writers who build up so much credit over the seasons, crap all over the work they have done and take the way out plotwise which they explicitly expressed before in previous questions from fans, wouldn't be the case.
It just felt like "ah ... what the hell ... we don't have a fucking clue where to go with this either so fuck it, let's do the Purgatory thing and be done with it."
There's so much proof for this sloppiness, in the way they abandoned so many storylines, it's not even funny anymore and very much giving the audience the finger.
It's very much a missed opportunity to become what might have been the best tv-series ever but indeed, like the BSG finale, eneded with a whimper.
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That show petered out around Season 3. I think the ending with them finding the destroyed Earth was really the final of the series.
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The Lost finale was quite touching with all the reunions and the final scene with Jack and Vincent. But after a few months I feel empty and unsatisfied. There are no more seasons to look forward to. No more answers. I really have no desire to revisit this show nor get the last season on DVD. Favorite episodes like "316" have lost their appeal. Really, what is the point?
I was planning to rewatch it all from season 1 (third time) but now I have no desire to do that. Like someone else said, it's like reading a great book and the last chapter is missing.
Darlton has made the List. The List contains names of showrunners who I will never take a chance with again, investing time in a series they are a part of. Darlton joins Chris Carter and Ronald D. Moore on the List.
If I could ask Darlton a question it would be: "If the show was really just about characters and relationships, why not go with the original idea of "Castaway: the TV Series"? Why introduce this incredible story of a mysterious island and the people who serve or die for it?"
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I was satisfied with the LOST ending. It could have been better,
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sure. I would have done it differently myself. But it was emotionally satisfying for me, and that's all I wanted out of the show.BSG on the other hand, spent all its time from day one, insisting that the Cylons had a plan, and laying significant seeming foreshadowing and prophecy and all that bull. And disappeared up its own arse (IMO). It disappointed me in a way LOST never did. LOST only had one moment (end of season 5) that ever grabbed me the way BSG could do. (Season 1 finale, Pegasus two-parter, "I'm getting my men", etc...) But when push came to shove, only one show delivered a satisfying ending to me, and it was LOST.I'll be buying the blu-ray box set, and this will be a nice capstone of the series for me.
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I'd never, ever recommend it to anyone to watch. Heck, I'd ALMOST rather watch Gilligan's Island these days.
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giving them nothing to do. Thats the problem with LOST. Going into season 6, they should have had a cull of everyone not essential to the storyline. Ben was awesome but he shouldn't have been redeemed, others like Miles, Lapidus, Richard, Ilana, they were fun but added nothing to the narrative outside of their individual centric episodes. Loads of parts of season 6 were people sitting around explaining the plot to eachother, and when the plot consists of "we must go here, then go here" then that adds up to boring. I loved LOST 2-5 (didn't think season 1 was up to much, watchable but nothing special) but around the season 5 finale it started to fall apart. The promise of that initial Jacob/MiB scene in the Incident was never realised for me. When Juliet decided to nuke the island *just because* Saywer still loved Kate it just confirmed that Darlton can go on about "characters first" all they want but the truth is most of the characters on LOST are just plot devices, changing their minds on a whim to serve the story.
Add to that the waste of characters like Sayid and Claire (and Widmore) in the final season and it just gets worse. They could have killed Sayid off in the opener and it would have been far more affecting than having him walk round in a barely-defined zombie haze for a whole year. Claire got a one-line explanation for her missing time and then went from full on crazy to perfectly normal in the flick of a switch. Who thought there'd be a one line explanation of the whispers?! And why couldn't Ben kill Widmore again?!
The final season is just not satisfying. Its like the creators fell in love with their own characters too much to place them in any real jepeordy, and stringing out the sideways reveal all the way till the final scene was just annoying. Remember before the season started and Matthew Fox was hitting the chatshows saying "the timelines sync up about 2/3 into the season and then its just one story from there on out"? Seems to me they changed their minds as they wrote it (like they did in s5) and sacrificed a compelling resolution in order to have everyone back together in the final scene. Its a shame because the best ep of the season Ab Aeterno, is still rendered unwatchable by the clusterfuck that ensued from there on out.
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It blew. It licked, it even played around with our balls a little. Then it fucked off long before the money shot.
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I still love the ending to LOST and it's still one of my favorite shows of all time. Whine on people, whine on
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...talkback. At the end of the day the climax of Lost was a woman shooting an old man in the back before her boyfriend kicked the old man off a cliff. The climax was not going to super special buddy team heaven. It wasn't part of the show's conflict(s) nor was it a part of their resolution, unless you want to take the stance that the show was about someone (Jack, Kate, etc.) accepting death from the very first episode. See, this thing they call conflict powers most drama. Conflict, either internal or external, molds and motivates characters while driving a story toward its conclusion. And the half season epilogue to the story of Lost did neither of these things. In many cases hard won moments of epiphany for the characters were Lost in the epilogue; in others the characters themselves were Lost in alternate, less dire circumstances. In random cases these characters learned lessons from their new circumstances. In others they did not. In still others they seemingly forgot hard learned lessons from their lives. And in the meantime the story that had been being told for five seasons was resolved by a woman shooting an old man in the back before her boyfriend knocked him off a cliff.
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Watch a show for six years expecting certain major plot points to be resolved. Instead, the producers only really resolve a couple of last minute additions to the show's mythos and NOW they want us to buy a DVD set that supposedly gives the answers we really wanted? Fuck that. It's almost criminal.http://tinyurl.com/34p6g2q
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input this URL:
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...so someone would give a rip.
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Upon taking over island, Hurley discover access very quickness to Chinese-made sneakers. Happy is he with the many cheap and fashion stuff.
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...A) When I see it in a bin next to the checkout counter selling for $9.99 at my local Walgreens, or B) When Super-Special-BFF-Purgatory freezes over.
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These 15 extra minutes are not going to make up for the crap that was Season 6. Still love LOST but I will just pretend the 6th season never happened.
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If it really was a Two-Hour straight to DVD sequel, I'd buy the Season Six boxed set (or at least the straight-to-dvd sequel). As much as I'd like to get excited over 12 minutes, I just can't. Although if it's 12 minutes of Michael Emerson, I'll be pretty close.
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The obsession over the relatively anemic ending mystifies me. There were some great scenes in the finale, and I enjoyed it, but it was weak. I really didn't like "Across the Sea", and thought Hurley explaining the whispers was really poor writing--to the point where I suspect Darlton was actually thumbing their noses at fans demanding overly-specific answers (almost the same for Adam and Eve).
But, on the whole, I enjoyed watching season six, I also re-watched all the previous seasons during the first few weeks, and it was a great ride. Getting so bent out of shape because of a half-weak finale and a kind of bland season six twist (You want purgatory? We'll show you purgatory!) seems, I dunno, kinda lame.And season six had moments and episodes that I liked the least of any in the entire run of lost ("Across the Sea", cough-cough) and, on the whole, I'm still glad I watched it all, may watch it all again, and will definitely do a rewatch of season 6. I'm thinking of doing a rewatch of season 5/season 6 just to sort of build momentum going into season 6. It'll be cool. -
... Who think they're still working on the Island?
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There were some things I'd have done differently, questions I'd have liked answered (or a bit less abstractly as obviously a LOT of people haven't figured them out yet, if ever). I love the show, found the ending satisfying (not exactly what I wanted, but over time it's grown on me and in a lot of ways makes sense [to me]). I WOULD have preferred something a bit different, now I kind of love it and I kinda have several issues with it, but like a book it's one story, not all of them have to be the story I'd write, and I admire them taking chances. I'm curious about the extra 12-minute scene, I'll probably see it at some point, but it's not the sole reason for my existence. I'll watch through the series again and yeah, I'm curious what the extra scenes and stuff reveal, add, clarify, etc. Still, it's a TV show. I've moved on to other things in life. Namely family-related events, enjoying summer, planning a vacation, etc., etc. It's kind of incredible how bitter some of you still are though. But hey, to each their own. I DO still love the show, but it's just TV and I've kind of moved on to other things. -Cheers
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That's your contention? That WIDMORE (no fucking E) wanted Desmond dead? So he brought him to the island and juiced him with electromagnetism instead of, say, shooting him in the fucking head or blowing him out a torpedo tube? Wow, you guys will do anything to dance around the plot holes and red herrings in LOST!Look, dude, LOST was a great show for five seasons, warts and all, but they completely screwed the fucking pooch in Season Six and the ridiculous contortions that you must do in order to "explain" the red herring of Widmore's plan and Desmond's "purpose" ("he's there to plug/UNplug the island, no, wait, uh, I mean, uh, that is, uh, Widmore wanted to kill him") just prove this unequivocally. If Widmore wanted to kill Desmond, there's no need to return to the island with him in a sub and electromagnify him. It's that simple. You say that the electromagnetism was so that he could "guide" folks in the hereafter? So, then, Widmore both wanted to KILL him AND empower him to lead the good guys (non-island destroyers) to heaven? In what apologist's world does that even make sense?It's quite clear that LOST was a show that had a lot of promise, BUT a show that was created by fallible humans. In order to get their "trick" ending (Haha! It was purgatory! Fooled ya!), they were forced to abandon what was obviously a plot (Widmore's return to... what?), relegating it and Desmond to, essentially, a red herring. The creators were so enamored of their twist that they forgot or chose to abandon this aspect.Fuck, dude, if Widmore wanted to destroy the island, too (your words), why the FUCK would he be in conflict with Locke (whom he "screened" out and who killed Widmore's people)? You see, dude, you can't even come up with a contortion to justify this that even makes a SLIGHT amount of sense.
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cmon people, lets all pray that he dies soon. we can do it!
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And The End was very emotionally satisfying. Definitely buying this set to watch them all back to back.
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Widmore told Des or Jin he was doing it (putting Des in the cabin) bc he needed to know if DES could survive what Jacob told him Desmond needed to do (unplug the Island). The cabin experiment was a test, not something to super-charge the Constant (though I do like that idea).
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That sums my position up perfectly. Fucking brilliantly, in fact. I own Seasons One through Five and planned to watch them all again, in order, when the series was done, but that ending was SO dissatisfying that I can't bring myself to do it.And I reject the false dichotomy of "it's a show about the PEOPLE" versus "it's a show about the CHARACTERS" espoused by the show's creators to excuse their failings in that last season. It CAN be about both. In fact, I'd argue that the setting (mysterious island) SHOULD HAVE BEEN a reflection of both the characters themselves, of their turmoil with each other and the turmoil within themselves. As the mystery is revealed and (at least somewhat) explained, so are the internal mysteries and conflicts of the characters.Instead, we're told that one mystery (the characters' individual conflicts) was the ONLY mystery that mattered and that you, I, and others just didn't "get it."In most good mystery fiction, the mystery (murder, cover-up, high-level hypocrisy, etc.) reflect upon the protagonist's inner turmoil. When the mystery is solved (oftentimes, most times?), the protagonist reaches some sort of personal decision or peace. (See "The Big Sleep" or "The Last Coyote" for example.)Your analogy about the missing last chapter is exceedingly apropos.
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On a 1st viewing, the series is good even though it doesn't deliver what it should. I loved the finale. But in a hindsight way, lost is ruined because you find out everything did not matter. But that's life isn't it.
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It was a test to see if he could survive the forces? I guess that flies in the face of RPLocke's "theory" that the electromagnetism was to empower Desmond, huh?Okay, then, well, that makes a LITTLE more sense then. Widmore wanted Desmond to unplug the island, thus, "humanizing" the MIB long enough to be killed, then to replug the island before it was destroyed? That explains the Widmore conflict with MIB and certainly makes a lot more sense than RPLocke's "theory" that Widmore wanted to kill Desmond and destroy the island, too.But how about the tied-in aspect of "purgatory" and Desmond's ability to see both worlds and "convert" those in purgatory? A curious side-effect?
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The finale was TNG's All Good Things, without Q, and without the three Enterprises. They skipped straight to the poker game.
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"Haters", "trollls", "apologists", "faggots named jay2517" all bacck together...
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Wow. The island is a REAL DICK, huh? Kill the guy who was empowered by the plug, a guy who never wanted any of this, a guy who just wanted to leave the island, but who was tossed into the Plug-o-Plenty (by its "protector") and empowered to indiscrimately kill anyone not a Candidate? What a fuckin' douche, huh? I mean, honest to God, the island is a real piece of shit to do that to a guy who's original crime was just having his mother killed, a guy who just wanted to go home.
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I rewatched that episode last week and I'm pretty sure Widmore tells Jin something like "Desmond is thr only person i know who has ever survived an electromagnetic explosion. I need to know if he can do it again!" Widdy says Jacob told him to bring DES to the Island, and if we believe him, then yes the plan was for DES to unplug the Island long enough to humanize MiB and kill him. That's why his second in command needed Jin to explain his maps about the EM pockets around the Island- they were trying to find the Golden Cave, the heart of the Island. DES being able to see into Both worlds was a curious side effect, one that ties into his role as being the Constant.
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What's the problem with leaving the island then? I mean, the island is hidden, can't find it, gotta jump through all kind of hoops to get back there, apparently."Okay, then," says the island, "you don't wanna be here? Get the fuck out then, but you can't come back.""Oh, I can't come back to this weird ass place and be away from my friends and family forever? Gee, what am I gonna do? I, uh... Okay then, let's go!"
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The Man in question had become a monster, both literally and morally, and needed to be taken out for good.
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Ben even said so in the end, that not being able to leave was Jacob's deal, but perhaps there's a better way *hint hint* Hurley. Not leaving was something instilled in Jacob, left over from his mom, but a tradition continued to protect it and the chance that the Island could be exploited enough to create more Smoke monsters or to allow Smokey to escape.
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I certainly like your theory better than RPLocke's. It fits what we know and what we saw. Widmore (no fucking E in the middle) wanted to protect the island and defeat the Man In Black. That explains the conflict between Widmore and MIB as well as Jack's plan to kill the MIB using Desmond at the well. What doesn't make sense, though, is that Jack (the new protector and "like" Jacob) doesn't know right away that this is the plan. I mean, he says he's gonna kill MIB, but then seems pretty fucking surprised during the initial fight with FLocke at the cave. If that was "the plan" all along, why didn't Jack know it. Why does it seem like a surprise to him to learn that MIB is mortal?
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Sayid to Desmond - "I finally got to marry the woman I loved...then she died."
So who does he end with in purgatory? Why Shannon of course. The chick he banged on the tropical island. And why? Because they had to keep up the misdirect by having Nadia be unavailable for Sayid in the "alt universe".
Then there's Rose moving onto Heaven with Locke! With Locke?! Remember her quote in S4, the last time she ever saw the 'real' Locke - "I'm not going anywhere with that man". I guess she'll make an exception for the AFTERLIFE!!
One of the episodes in S6 I really liked was Lighthouse. Jack's kid gave Jack's story a kind of resolution to his daddy issues. But then in the finale KABLAMO! no kid, all just made up for some reason. Married to Juliet, made up for some reason. Sun getting shot, pointless. Keamy's re-appearance? Fan-service. The more you think about the purgatory timeline the less sense it makes...
At the end of season 5 we were all thinking what the effect of the bomb would be? Would they all end up in LA X? Would it create a new timeline? In the end it did neither. They all just magic'd themselves to the present day. What a fucking cop-out. That and the shot of the sunken Island go further than just misdirection, its ouright narrative LYING. -
Killing MIB was necessary. I understand that. But, still, that pretty much makes Jacob the bad guy. He CAUSED all of this with his can't leave the island and throwing MIB into the cave shit.And too fucking bad no one knew that FLocke was gonna become mortal, huh? Might've been nice to shoot him in the head at the entrance to the cave. You know, with one of those guns? I think Sawyer had one, right?FLOCKE: Ha! Ha! I am triumphant! The plug is removed.JACK: One plug down, one to go!Jack points a gun at FLocke.FLOCKE: What do you think you're going to do with that gun, Jack?BLAM! A bullet SLAMS into FLocke's head, exploding out the back in a cascade of flesh, bone, and brain.FLocke looks surprised for just one moment before he falls to the ground. Dead. Forever.Jack runs back to the entrance to the cave.JACK: Quick, Desmond, put the plug back into the hole. Put it back! Put it back before...L O S T
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Now, I'm curious. Guess I'm gonna have to rent or download this Hurley/Ben tween-teaser shit. 'Cause, where's the conflict now? We got MIB dead and a group that has no problem with leaving the island. What do Hurley and Ben do, walk around in the jungle whistling show tunes?
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Well, that's tricky. It seems obvious he DID know that Desmond needed to go into the cave and that the result would be the End, the death of Flocke. He had that feeling, that instinct; he just didn't know how it was going to play out. Perhaps he was too new at being Protector and his ESP powers hadn't kicked in yet. Storywise, it's just more satisfying if Jack is surprised along with the rest of us. Still, your ending would have been cool and satisfying too, but then we wouldn't have had that awesome, Kurosawa-esque fight on the cliffs.
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Yes, yes, and yes! To every single one of these. Of course, all that was "needed" to convince the audience that this was alt-LA (not purgatory) in order for the 'haha, tricked you!' moment. I got nothing against a surprise twist IF IT MAKES SENSE. But this didn't. At all.
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Yeah, at the end Jacob pretty much admits to the group that all this is happening because of a mistake he made long ago. He recognizes and accepts that he screwed up.
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The ONLY person who actually understands the show and its hidden meanings/messages...seriously, you should showrunned the show, it probably wouldn't come out so fuckin stupid. Or at least write the lost encyclopedia
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THAT is the problem. Shit that makes no sense, shit that we gotta theorize about BECAUSE it makes no sense ("now you're like me, well, uh, not quite like me, almost like me, I shoulda said ALMOST like me 'cause your ESP powers haven't 'kicked in' yet, oh, they've kicked in enough to know enough to get Desmond there but not WHY or WHAT you should DO"). Fuck me, dude, you gotta know that's a little ridiculous.Look, Mission: Impossible makes a fucking practice of putting heroes into situations at the end that seem hopeless TO THE AUDIENCE, but, twist-twist-twist, the protagonist knew all the time and is able to use. A MODERATELY decent writer could've done that instead of depending on "now, you're like me, well, uh, kind of, but not enough to keep us from a cliff showdown."
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Jul 20, 2010 9:57:20 AM CDT
Like they're ever getting another penny from me. Anyone want
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to buy the First 4 Seasons of Lost on DVD from me? What an incredible waste of time. And I know, not EVERY story has to have a definitive ending or be conventional, etc, etc, etc. But when watching a televisions show and investing 120+ hours into it, I think I have a reasonable expectation to have the show explained. I would have even excepted bad explanations. But the way they handled it was EXTREMELY unsatisfying and they should have been ashamed of themselves. They should also have told ABC to not blatently lie and make promises in their promos that never came in to fruition. I still can't get over how Richard and Ben were both seemingly all knowing characters but then, all of a sudden in the 6th Season, neither one of them seemed to know anything about the island. It was also a horrible decision to kill off Locke halfway through Season 5. They could have done almost the same thing that they did but just had Locke being controlled by the Smoke Monster or something. None of it made sense. Jacob's brother falls down the waterfall, then turns into the Smoke Monster, but Desmond and Jack go down there and they're both fine? What? Seriously? It's like they handed in first drafts of these last few episodes and just filmed what they had, not caring if it even made any sense...
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That's all I have to say about Lost.
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Don't you have a Palin rally to go to? Or are you still intent on "refudiating" Lost?
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Then he sure as shit got off easy as a motherfucker, didn't he? I mean, the rest of 'em gotta die horrible deaths, but the dude responsible for it all gets to fade off into the hereafter. How's THAT for some contrived bullshit, by the way - when the fire dies?!?!?! WHEN THE FUCKING FIRE DIES?!?!?! Well, ain't that just a geographical oddity! A fire away from dying NOW, but around just long enough to be cryptic for the entire season.That's another one of the problems with that final season, besides the twisting that the audience has to do (he's like Jacob, well, almost like Jacob, but not quite 'cause his ESP powers haven't "kicked in" yet?!?!?) -- the convenience of WHEN and HOW things happen. Oh, so, FUCKING NOW, he's gonna vanish with the fire?!?! Oh, Jack isn't QUITE "like him" yet?!?!?!
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the producers said from the beginning that they knew *what* the Smoke monster was. Apparently us patient fans would find out at the end. And did we?
Turns out he was once a man whose adoptive mother never gave a name (nice) then one day he got a bump on the head and thrown into a magic cave. Out comes the monster. Thats your answer. Oh. Thanks LOST.
Why does he scan people, why is he drawn on the tapestry opposite Tawaret under the temple, why did Locke draw pictures of him as a kid, why did he kill some people and just manipulate others, if he's a person how come he can be summoned by a plug in the ground, and on and on and on forever. Aargh, what superb bulshit salesman Damon and Carlton are, credit it where its due, they could sell ice to eskimos. -
Refudiating? Yes, he's refudiating. In one of the fifty-seven states that Obama visited.Constantly amazes me that things like "refudiating" are the height of stupidity, but saying that you visited fifty-seven states is totally understandable.
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He dies when the fire runs out because his ashes will no longer exist. It's not hard dude.
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Long enough to figure out the extent of his powers, what he could and couldn't do. He made a mistake but he wasn't a monster the way his brother was, and he was atoning for his past sins, much the way everyone on the Island was doing too, despite what they'd done before. And perhaps there aren't ESP powers, just "feelings" and Jacob learned to listen to his more and more. This is a case where I think ambiguity helps, bc if we start making a definitive list of his powers, well, it loses it's mystery. I'm fine not knowing all of his powers. I prefer to see him as a metaphor for a God-like entity anyway, a creator who makes mistakes, and we may be one of them.
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Thanks! Good to see you too ;).
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the show was shit and dumb. no amount or arguing will change that. PS jays still a cuntbag
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Jul 20, 2010 10:12:58 AM CDT
Hobocode, Typo-Cop! Ask Obama to pronounce "corpsman"
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without saying "corpse". Then ask him where the other 7 states are...
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I have no memory of this. I think you're confused. There's a hieroglyphic of him with Anubis under the Temple, and there's a cloth in The cabin with Tawaret on it, but I don't think Smokey is on it.
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is that Obama owned up to what was an obvious slip of the tongue. Palin said her obvious lack of knowledge of vocabulary was akin to Shakespeare. Yeah. OK bitch.
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Not knowing what the menaing of a word is and then insisting you are still right even when faced with evidence to the contrary is not a "typo." Wait a minute! Are you really Sarah Palin? You two seem to have similar attributes.
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Jul 20, 2010 10:22:09 AM CDT
D.Vader, I think Carlton and Cuse should constantly have
by coughlins laws
to see the fans displeasure with them wasting our time for 6 years and over 100 hours. They should be constantly ridiculed and publicly scorned. I've seen a lot of their interviews, with their frat-boy smirks and their giggling like school girls, all the while lying through their teeth about what would be revealed and that they really knew from the beginning how the show would end. Cause if they were really planning from the beginning to make the whole show about 2 brothers that are rivals and one of them killing the other and turning him into the smoke monster, to only later bring down an entire airplane and killing hundreds just to get 4 or 5 candidates close enough to him to guard a wine cork blocking Hell from escaping, etc, etc, etc. Well, then they're assholes. And I don't care what anyone says, even though I beleived them up till the end, there's no way they planned this from the beginning. The promised from the first episode with Locke and his "light side, dark side" bullshit that it would be about good vs. evil. Well, explain to me how Jacob is good in anyway. And explain how his brother was evil before Jacob murdered him. Jacob caused the deaths of hundreds of people that we've seen, perhaps thousands, just to satisfy his curiosity. I would have liked it so much better if they actually were God and The Devil...
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I'm at the beach with my family and surfing on my phone. Just wanted to relive some of the LOST tb glory days with some familiar faces before heading out into the sun! Later all!
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bugger. And its an etching not a tapestry. Fuck. Even so, it proves that Smokey predates this current "incarnation" but there's no further information to go on. I'm all for leaving certain things open to interpretation, its just most of the major mysteries on LOST are no clearer by the end of the series than they are at the start. Look at the plane crash for example, if Des caused it (as we found out in s2) then how come Jacob had already caused them to come to the Island?! And on Jacob, he tells the others that they were "isolated and alone" and thats why he chose them, but he chose Kate and Saywer when they were kids! And he chose Hurley and Sayid AFTER they'd already been to the Island?! As I say, open to intepretation you could argue, I'd say its closer to just making it all up on the fly and relying on the hardcore fans to come up with an explanation.
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Jul 20, 2010 10:26:59 AM CDT
Hobocode, first of all, when did Obama own up to not knowing
by coughlins laws
how many states there are? Second of all, the word "casualty" is often thought of as interchangeable with "deaths". Don't believe me? CNN, the most "trusted" name in news, every single night lists the number of U.S. casualties in Iraq as 4,000 (whatever the count is). Every single night. Nobody at CNN thinks it's a big deal to call "casualty" the same thing as "death", and no one in their audience seems to notice a difference. So the point is, either most Americans agree with me, that whenever they here the word "casualty" in reference to War, they assume you're talking about the number of dead, or you're just an asshole.
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Jul 20, 2010 10:28:38 AM CDT
Yeah, Hobocode, typical. Whenever you can't take the heat
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you run away like a little girl. Sorry you lost another argument...
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All your pent up aggression for a television show is simply amazing, and as I said, highly amusing.
Too bad you got fucked. I didn't.
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After watching Inception and seeing it's ending, I though that it was the way they should have approached the ending of Lost. With uncertainty. Something that would make viewers have to rewatch the series and reform their opinions. Maybe in the future Christopher Nolan can put together some kinda season 6 reboot.
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Jul 20, 2010 10:29:49 AM CDT
Sorry, now I made a typo. Wasn't talking about you, Hobocode
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on that last post. But everything I said in the previous post, I meant...
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that's what I said earlier in the tb...lost should've been like inception...but nope, they just said "screw the top,, screw the dreams, screw inception, its all about cobb and mal"
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Jul 20, 2010 10:36:41 AM CDT
As far as being at a Palin rally, how many times do I have
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to say, I don't even like Palin. I don't want her to be President, I don't want her to run for President, and I don't think she's a serious candidate for President. Just because the Democrats put an unqualified joke in the White House, doesn't mean that The Republicans should do the same. If she ever wanted to run for President herself, she would have had to stay Governor, despite all of the baseless ethics complaints filed against her. I really hope they're smarter than that. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to sit by and watch the merciless, unfair attacks on her and just ignore them. It's intellectually dishonest to bitch and moan about a politician in ways you don't your own side. Joe Biden has made 10 times the gaffes Palin has, and the media is silent. But Palin mistypes one LETTER in a word, and liberals go batshit crazy. The also don't seem to care that Obama, who was educated overseas, doesn't know how many states there are in the country. To me, that's scary. Also, you don't see Republicans throwing invective at his kids the way they do Palin's. It's really sickening what goes on. Does that mean I'll vote for her if she runs, no.
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Jul 20, 2010 10:42:07 AM CDT
I just wanted to say, Carlton & Cuse are liars who should
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apologize to the loyal audience who stuck around till the end. It's not that I didn't like it (I downright LOATHED it), it's that they made certain promises over the years I don't think they had ANY intentions of keeping. For instance, it's pretty clear they were intending to explain the Smoke Monster. Does anyone really think they did? Jacob's brother is the Smoke Monster? Really? What was it before then? Why did it go around the Island judging people, killing some, letting other's go? They didn't explain a thing. And it goes on and on like that...
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There actually really are explanations to lots of your questions, believe it or not. Some of it is stuff like Jacob making mistakes, some of it is probably based on how he views/believe the Island to work. I think some of the mythology of the Island that is passed down to (and from) Jacob is like ancient myth/folklore. It doesn't necessarily make sense because it's passed down orally from generation to generation a/o made more mystical to explain things as one views it or tie it to religious/spiritual beliefs. Anyway, THAT to me could be why we don't get all the answers (Jacob's getting the Xth rendition from his non-mom) so he has to make do with what variation of that info he's given, and may be using the Island & its energy in a way that makes sense to him based on what he's been told. Is it perfect? Not hardly. Are there answers to everything? Nope. Are there answers to lots of the big questions? I think so. And for what's not, I can figure out explanations or make guesses for myself. Regardless, I'm pretty much over it. I liked the series and all, but it's not worth getting all worked up over one way or the other. -Cheers
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Great cast, great score, the writing was mostly solid. The last season could have been handled better. I think the problem is they slowed down and answered too much, instead of sticking with the WTF pacing of the show we came to love. The ending of Lost is much like the end of ST:TNG, where Picard encountered comrades living & dead via time travel (and played out a Q-driven scenario that didn't really happen, since Picard is the only one that remembers them), then they all sit down and play poker. What I don't like about the finale was the cork room wasn't very exciting. I understand it was important, but the moment felt hollow. DItto for the survivors on the plane. The show seemed to be keeping the pace slow so people wouldn't be confused, but the escape needed to feel more like a breakneck skin-of-their-teeth escape.Jack's last moment was perfect, and seeing the cast together one last time was what we needed. My biggest problems with the show as a whole is when explanations given were not as fun as the ones I imagined. I would have rather the ghosts be time-shifted people, existing in two times at once - caused by "the incident."
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the first time when it was called Evangelion.
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if they had ended with the fade to white at the end of S5, I wouldn't have complained.S6 largely failed at trying to put a logical conclusion to things even if it did satisfy the emotional cravings of the audience. No sense in getting worked up over it anymore; it's done.
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The ending from LOST happened after they all died in a place sort of outside of time & space to meet and sort of come to terms with their lives before moving on (specifically/generally those that were most integral to the Island and their time together, except Walt for some reason). Evangelion was all of humanity becoming one consciousness until Shinji changed his mind and they all came back to life and presumably just lived out the rest of their lives as individuals. -Cheers
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He is going to show up in this 12 minute short. Will become new protector of island. Gets to spend his days with his dads "whisper" ghost. So Michael gets a happy ending. Perhaps the time in Walt's life that was most important was not with oceanic 815 peeps. Explains why peeps like Richard would not be there either.
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You wouldn't have complained if the show had ended with the way Season 5 did? Somehow I doubt that.
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You ever heard of a joke? Look to the White House for the answer. That's what Palin was doing in her explanation - making a joke. "Ha! Ha! Look at me! What a Shakespeare!" ("Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!") And she clearly was joking to everyone that isn't a moron. Which, of course, excludes YOU and MSNBC.Oh, and point me to the spot where Obama explained his fifty-seven state comment. You can't. Know why? 'Cause it was never trumpeted like the old "refudiated" comment and, therefore, he never explained it.So, just point me to the place. You can't. Again, know why? 'Cause it didn't happen. You made it up. And that's fine. 'Cause it reveals that you're willing to make up fake mea culpas (and I'm sure that he WAS tired) while "sticking it to" someone who effed up and then clearly tried to make a joke out of it.Personally, I don't give a rat's ass for Palin. I don't think she's very bright. But I certainly don't obsess over her every misstatement like a band of ravenous hyenas while making LYING excuses (explained it?) for the GROSS misstatements of my own ass clown. Yeah, Obama is an ass clown.
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Keeps tools like Hobocode and MSNBC in stitches, I wish her a very, very, very long political life. It's fun to watch morons punch at shadows and scream it's the end of the world.
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keep preaching the common sense to the idiot masses. too bad u have the Lost mouth breathers The Idiot Unicycle Sharer, steppy, cowardBOY, Coughlins ( i found my right hemisphere of my brain can u help me get my left side to work?) Laws etc. to not understand (or put together) ur common sense rebuttals. BTW cowardBOY...u ACTUALLY HAVE TO FUCKING WATCH the show to fucking have a opinion of it cocksucker. u are a TROLL of epic proportions broheim...
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I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree. And, at its core, my disdain really boils down to:1) Flash-sideways is purgatory and all the bullshit that encompassed.2) Widmore and Jacob had a "plan" which no one related to the "now you're like me" Jack.3) The "convenience" of things like Jacob's mysterious fire o' death.
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(Shit, when do you ever get to say THAT?) And thanks for clearly up the idiocy that was RPLocke's theory. I'll buy your version (definitely makes more sense, but still leaves quite a few BIG questions).
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Palin never "insist[ed] [she was] still right even when faced with evidence to the contrary." What are you, a moron? She stated, quite clearly, "English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!" That's not insisting that you're right. That's making a joke out of a mistake. Kinda what you did with your life after your mother didn't get the abortion.
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Jul 20, 2010 12:15:33 PM CDT
wow at least Unicycle Sharer and I share 1 common hatered...
by jay2517
and thats Keith Olbermann and MSNBC. waaaahhh!! fox news is biased and pro conservative!! u know how we will show them we're BETTER??? by...ummmm...being ultra left wing loony??? thats like the KKK being pissed at the new black panther party for being racist lol. i find it funny that 'ol bathtub boi Keithy is taking 2 weeks off all of a sudden...kinda makes u think hes mad cause his ultra left loony yes man from the Daily Kos got booted off his "unbiased" POS show. CuntDown with Keith Uberdouche the appitomy of class...
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...the problem is that the writers just stopped caring enough to make the show great. Look at Desmond's back-story at the end of Season 2 and compare it to Jacob and the Man in Black's. Desmond's clearly had a lot of thought put into it, Jacob/MIB's feels and reads like a (poor) first draft from start to finish. Season 6 didn't have a plot, that was its main problem. To me, Lost ends when Jack shouts "We have to go back!". The rest is speculative epilogue.
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I don't even know you, dude. I mean, I hate MSNBC (actually, funny that - I watch it WAAAAAY more than I watch Fox - what was it Sun Tzu said about knowing your enemy), definitely, but let me review your posts first, then we'll talk. ;-)
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With you on what you said. And, if you think about it, fucking thirty minutes of straight talk from Jacob would've cleared a lot up. It's like those shitty romances my wife reads where the heroine overhears some snippet of conversation and the entire plot of the book is based on her misunderstanding and nobody saying, "Hey, bitch, here's what's going on." If Jacob just pulled somebody aside around Season Three and said, "Hey, bitch, here's what's going on," we'd have had a way different story. And I despise stories predicated on such a flimsy predicate.
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The whole shitty house of cards depends both on Jacob's fucking up AND his failing to fess up to anybody at any time... ever! "Hey, Jack, I got Widmore with Desmond here to unplug the island. When he does that, FLocke will be mortal so shoot the motherfucking shit outta him and get that damned plug back in!" But, of course, that would have prevented about eight episodes (or three seasons) of pointless bullshit.
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A fucking "extra" episode that explains why Jacob was such a reticent piece of shit. Oh, I know - the "rules" prevented it, huh? Right. Those would be the "rules" of contrived writing, right?
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Explain to me why Jacob never bothers to tell the tale --- EVEN WHEN HE HAS A FUCKING REPLACEMENT!!!
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But go on to praise shit like Breaking Bad. The Bicycle Sharer claims he hates Lost, but he's always braying about the show like a jack ass.
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Really? Really? Well, assuming we go with that, once he'd "decided," what kept ol' Mouthy McShuterson from spilling the motherfucking plan? The rules of contrived writing, that's what. And that's why people get pissed at that final season. And the producers love of contrived writing is evident in the alt-LA/purgatory switch. They prefer a contrivance over logic.
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It's so crazy to like that show. Who could ever like that Emmy-nominated and winning show.Ah, the last refuge of those with no defense! Criticize something else!And for the record, RPLocke, you don't count as one of the "master theorists." D. Vader blew your shit right the fuck outta the water.And also for the record - I don't hate Lost. I fucking LOVED seasons one through five (bought 'em all) and season six until I found out I got ass raped.And speaking of jackasses, can your mom give me back that one she borrowed for her Tijuana show? I gotta plow a fucking field. Unless she fucked it to death. In which case, never mind.
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People who defend Lost, but can't even spell the characters' names right. Or get the right plot (Widmore was trying to destroy the island and empower Desmond to convert others in purgatory - wtff?!?!). That shit both amazes AND amuses me.
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i dont like ut thoughts on Lost at all. i just thought it funny we actually agree on something lol...
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No. I don't. You would think there is nothing wrong with being willfully and glefully ignorant. Just like every other Republican does as well. Why else would you sit slack-jawed in front of Fox News and listen to them apologize for your stupidity, greed, and hateful ideology.
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He acknowledged his gaff at a later stop on the campaign. Do you know how fucking grueling a Presidential campaign probbaly is. So he said 57 instead of 47. big deal. That's not nearly as bad as making up a fucking word out of ignorance, comparing the ignorance to The Bard's prose, and then asking us to celebrate it. Pathetic.
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stupidity, greed, and hateful ideology... u sure ur talking aboot the Republicans?? c'mon Hobo BOTH parties are the same. they just screw us over in different ways. u just choose liberal screwing lol...
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Fuck Lindelof and Cuse.
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Jul 20, 2010 1:07:10 PM CDT
EVEN IF he said that, which I don't think he did (give me eviden
by coughlins laws
he still must think there are only 49 states. He said that they had 2 to go, and he'd been to 57. The point is, Obama makes gaffes all the time, Biden makes gaffes all the time (although more than most), EVERY politician in American history makes gaffes all the time. The point is, the mainstream media points out Palin's unfairly and makes it front page news. The disproportionately call her out, when Biden, her counterpart in the last election made MANY more gaffes than her. And Obama himself makes a shitload of gaffes whenever his prompter is off. I've seen him say we have 57 states. I've seen him call Navy Corpsmen "corpse"men 3 times in one paragraph. I've seen him say a tornado that only killed 12 people try to say it killed over a thousand. I've seen him tell his daughter on stage at the DNC that he was in a different city than he was. I've seen him make a speech in the Rose Garden and then try to re-enter the White House through a window, thinking it was a door. The difference is, whenever Palin makes a simple error, you try to use it as a weapon to attack her intelligence, but you just brush off the dozens of stupid things Obama's said and done and pretend like he's not prone to stupidity. Do you understand now? Do you see your inconsistency and hypocrisy now? P.S.- Stop turning every thread you're on into a political discussion. It gets boring...
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"I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree." No problem. "And, at its core, my disdain really boils down to:" Let me take a stab, for the sake of two guys respectfully discussing if nothing else. 1) Flash-sideways is purgatory and all the bullshit that encompassed. I actually believe that is what J.J. Abrams had in mind in the beginning. Maybe I'm off my rocker, but I believe them when they say he had both the pilot/scenario in mind, and then the scene and the premise how they would end up (at least some vision of them all meeting together in the church). The rest, sure they had to fill in the details, but I can buy that J.J. Abrams (a/o whomever else) had/created that ending and built the story around it. I will grant you they used misdirection (feel free to feel jipped over that), AND they would probably say "oh, but it's not 'Purgatory' it's some Island-created pocket universe or reality" or something like that to explain why they said it wasn't a "they're all dead and in purgatory ending" sort of thing. That and, well, the Island parts weren't. But you get the point. The thing is, if I'm right, they had this end-point in mind all along (more-or-less), and probably thought the "Flash Sideways" were a clever way to hide the real truth. Even though a lot of people guessed it and were told they were wrong. To anybody annoyed over that . . . Be my guest. They should have just not said anything. I'm not furious about it, but it's unfortunate they went that way about it.
2) Widmore and Jacob had a "plan" which no one related to the "now you're like me" Jack. You've got me there. At the end, it seemed like Widmore wanted to use Desmond, but it felt ambiguous (possibly hamfisted in there) whether or not Jacob actually sent him there, or if he was lying, but somehow he knew/figured out that Desmond was special and could either A) Save the Island or B) Let him exploit it. I really don't know the answers, nor if that was just shoved it or meant to be vague to let us choose our own Widmore adventure. I thought Widmore would have a more essential role in things. (Ditto everything with the temple and the Asian guy & Lennon.) I'm left not knowing if Widmore was a good guy or a bad guy at the end and wonder if repeat viewings will make it clearer or not. 3) The "convenience" of things like Jacob's mysterious fire o' death." I think that's just like any other religious-type of ceremony. Granted, I don't think they ever really explained the ashes (or I missed/forgot it somewhere) except they're important. Still, Jacob is kind of like the Shaman that has (and possibly creates) these "rules" or "laws" about the Island, and because he drank the magic Kool-Aid, maybe his perceptions/beliefs become reality. That's what I took from it. Anyway, he's dead, but like Michael and the other Ghosts/Whisperers his spirit lingers. Maybe (kind of what I believe) he had to burn the ashes to sort of sacrifice his ability to stick around in ghost-form Obi-Wan style so Jack & crew could see him. The down side is he can't help out; once the fire with his ashes is gone, so is he. It's all part of the ceremony, maybe something he created or learned, or some ritual passed down like a healing dance or being blood brothers or how to make Ma's chili, or the ceremonies/rituals certain cultures did/do to send spirits off. I think it could have been a variant of something like that. Again, I think they left clues, but wanted fans to ponder stuff like this and come to their own conclusions. Which could either work great (with me, I make parallels to history, anthropology, etc. to sort of make that jump), or backfire (in cases where fans feel like it was just lazy a/o incomplete). So feel free to disagree. I just think it's more a case of them writing a story & having a plan, but people either really not liking the story they ended up writing (and maybe didn't realize what kind of story it actually was, to some extent, until it was done), a/o them leaving too much unanswered or ending up too opaque with their clues and what they expected fans to work through and infer. I can see how at the end that annoys and bothers people, but I DO think the creators/writers deserve more credit for answering a LOT of questions, leaving clues for a lot of other stuff, and letting us sort of put pieces together however our minds see fit. Still, they could (should?) have been a bit more complete in answering questions and making sure to explain things that were kind of promised. Not hold our hands, but at least let us know what THEY actually intended rather than have it feel like there where pages of the script were missing when they shot the finale. So I can get that sentiment. Any other specific questions? About Breaking Bad . . . I'm 1/2 way through Season Two. I really like the show a lot. The only problem is, thus far Walter is becoming much less likable. Jesse still seems like a good guy but Walt seems to be part of why Jesse can't break out and try to be a normal non-drug-dealing type, or at least a guy who can get a job and break into the work force. Additionally, I think Walt is becoming too hypocritical. He's sacrificing what makes him the good father he wishes to be by not only providing a risky example for Walt Jr. (if/when he finds out about the whole meth-dealing business), not to mention becoming a murderer and riding the edge of becoming Tuco (in image, and should things go bad or if he lets himself go, in all but name). Particularly since if he'd sucked it up with Gray Matter and swallowed his pride he could have had his bills paid and his family's future secured. I'm finding him to be a lot less sympathetic. -Cheers -
Jul 20, 2010 1:15:01 PM CDT
All it proves, Hobocode, if he mentioned he made a mistake
by coughlins laws
later in the day or week, is that someone on his staff informed him of the right amount of states. How do you know he really knows how many states there are. I'm sure most Indonesian grade school children don't know how many states there are in America. They're too busy learning about Islam...
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in purgatory u are judged. they were just waiting for to wake up and move on together. also purgatory is a christian belief. the church shows that just about every religion was present.
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Jul 20, 2010 1:23:51 PM CDT
RPLocke has proved time and again his shit taste in tv
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
He thought season six of Lost was good, he though Mad Men was a courtroom drama, he thought Amy Ryan from The Wire was some girl from 24, I think he was even the guy who thought Breaking bad was a shitty show simply because it "starred a drug dealer," the guy just has a taste for shitty tv writing I guess, can't really do anything about that. Somebody out there had to be responsible for CSI's success.
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There hasnt been a post about LOST in a while, but when there is..all the trolls come out and play. It's like a holiday for you fucks! Get a life, damn.
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cheers infinity broheim...
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It was not Purgatory. If for no other reason than it was something (I think at least) that was made by the Island or whatever powered it, and their relationship toward it maybe through Hugo or something. That said . . . It was very much a Purgatory-like afterlife thing. I think people generally got ticked when (I believe it was Lindeloff) said that they didn't all die. Sure, they weren't all dead on the Island throughout the show, but whenever the "Flash-Sideways-or-whatever" ended up being a "they were dead all along" thing, and very much Purgatory-like (where they arguably have to grow or somehow come to grips with things in life before moving on. It may have not been the ACTUAL Purgatory as the Catholic Church sees it, but that seems very Purgatory-like (or Purgatory/Limbo-inspired) to me. The creators insistence that would not be the case sort of soured people, and rightfully so unless that was a misquote/misinterpretation of what they said. -Cheers
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To keep it civil. Thanks. I just think stuff like this, it's fine to vent, but also to look at what they actually say a/o answer, what's left unanswered, why it might be, and just sort of banter about it. I'd rather do that and disagree respectfully (or maybe actually come to agreements or figure stuff out) and be able to have a nice discussion. -Cheers
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But he dissed breakin bad? Wtf is wrong with your brain?
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And we'll continue to have to agree to disagree.I'm highly dubious of their claims about purgatory ALWAYS having been purgatory AND that they ALWAYS intended that. Just... too many problems. Look, where was Walt? If they always intended that and, remember, they were SUPER insistent on having a plan around season three, then why didn't they just film that scene WITH WALT back in the day? I mean, what is that, half a day's filming? And then the whole Charlie's a fucking drug addict IN PURGATORY?!?!?! So, let me get THAT one straight - Jacob gets a straight pass to the hereafter presumably (not in the church), but Charlie who kicked a habit heroin habit and died saving the rest gets to be a fucking asshole drug addict again?!?!?No, no, no. This is the kind of contrived shit that was used to trick the audience but that had NO internal logical consistency. That's also the reason Widmore's "plan" got short shrift - it doesn't fit with the purgatory switch that they came up with about two-thirds through the season (just my guess, there on the two-thirds).Regarding the ashes and the fire, dude, that's cool, but the important thing about that is that it "religiously/ritually" gets Jacob out of the way while simultaneously avoiding his explaining the plan to Jack... or Hurley... or anybody. THAT'S the "convenience" aspect.In all, a lot of things don't add up in that final season (not saying that everything doesn't, just A LOT) and what we do get REALLY seems to show the mechanical contrivances, the contortions, that the writers went through in the end, resolving little, explaining less, just to get that contrived cliff battle and purgatory.And I'll barbecue my fucking Dodgers cap and eat it if somebody brings me definitive proof that purgatory was planned all along. That last shot with Jack dying as the plane flies off? Absolutely. Purgatory? Not a chance in hell (if you'll pardon the pun). ;-)
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He's also the guy (pretty sure here) who claimed that Iron Man 2 was "dropping like a rock" (at the box office) on the WEDNESDAY after it was released. With only the TUESDAY numbers in!!! He claimed, and I quote, "It wont even be around in a few weeks. James Cameron must be laughing his ass off."CUT TO:Ten weeks later, Iron Man 2 is still in the top twenty (number 14), has raked in $304 million domestically and $310 million internationally, surpassing its predecessor by about 5% to date.RPLocke seemed, somehow, not to understand that a big weekend blockbuster drops on fucking MONDAY and TUESDAY when everybody goes back to work and school.Just like he can't get the fucking purpose (or spelling) of Widmore right.
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Hasn't produce his "proof" of Obama's mea culpa yet? Still waiting there, big guy! Just show me where BHO said, "Oops, my bad! I misspoke! Sure is tiring out here on the campaign trail. So tiring, in fact, that I want to be president but can't remember how many states there are! Whew!"And, furthermore, you dimwitted, daddy-diddler, I don't "sit slack-jawed in front of Fox News and listen to them apologize for your stupidity, greed, and hateful ideology." If you knew how to read, you'd know that. In fact, I plainly said, above, in this talkback, that I watch MSNBC WAAAAAY more than I watch Fox News. I watch 'em apologize for your "stupidity, greed, and hateful ideology." In fact, pretty sure they mentioned you on the Daily Rundown this morning - "We apologize for Homocode and his vapid idiocy. Sincerely, we here at MSNBC regret the poor decision his mother made in not aborting him."
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or Ghack Shapperd???
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Another thing, which I forgot to mention, was Lindelof's and Cuse's assertion in the New York Times that everything was scientifically explainable AND that it wouldn't be purgatory. Now, granted, it wasn't ALL purgatory, but come fucking on, Carlton and Damon! It's not ALL gonna be purgatory... but some of it is! Haha! We tricked you! Sigh. Yay. Good for you guys. Fucking liars. (Cuse and Lindelof, not you, Dave I.)
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And his unknown hyphenated last name is PEOPLENOTSTOPWATCHINGTHISSHOW. ;-)Nah, just kidding. Loved Lost until that last season. Far as I'm concerned, it ended when Juliet blew up a fucking nuke. Did they make it back? Did they all die? Who knows? But those five seasons were a fucking blast!
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but, the hypocrite Olbermann helps me on my workout nights. listening to THAT hypocritical, fact twisting, and outright LYING bullshit he spews sure can get someone motivated. and dont get me started on that fuktard Ed Shultz or Matthews. that idiot Matthews wont even give his guests the CHANCE to answer his fucking "questions" broheim...
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Jul 20, 2010 2:17:33 PM CDT
I pretty much watch bits and pieces of all the networks
by the bicycle sharer
Nobody has a show that I can stand all the way through. Half of Beck, half of O'Reilly, half of Bret Baier, half of Sanchez, Blitzer, and Brown, and half of Matthews, Schultz, Olbermann, and Maddow.The only ones I pay strict attention to are Martha Maccallum in the morning on Fox and Contessa Brewer in the morning on MSNBC. For very, very, very obvious reasons, I think. ;-)
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like the whole fucking TV series should had.
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Unfortunately for you, it ain't there. 'Cause the excuse that you made in your head for that misstatement never happened in this reality. Good luck, though. And keep on disparaging others for misstatements while lying about the mea culpas of your own treasured heroes.
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Sopranos. The show screams overratedness.
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You keep coming on a MOVIE board and bringing up fucking politics all the goddamn time, and you have the sack (no balls, just the sack) to accuse someone else of that? Fuck off and die. Harry needs to ban your ignorant ass for constantly going off-topic and basically spamming the talkbacks with your political BULLSHIT! Just knock it the fuck off, motherfucker, take it to Fox, CNN, or wherever, but it doesn't fucking belong here!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Jul 20, 2010 2:46:50 PM CDT
Actually, Sonny_Williams, I didn't. Hobocode did. Look
by coughlins laws
who started talking about politics first. I only responded to him. In fact, unless the talkback is specifically about politics, I very rarely ever bring it up. I simply respond to what others say. Go back through and look it up if you don't believe me. You're getting mad at the wrong guy...
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Jul 20, 2010 2:48:47 PM CDT
BTW, Sonny-Williams, they very rarely ban someone for their
by coughlins laws
political beliefs. Most people get banned for what you're doing, making unprovoked, personal attacks using childish invective. Look at everything I've said and look at what you've said and tell me who's more civil and who brings more to a talkback? I've posted just as much about the topic as I have responding to Hobocode...
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You think that the truth is whatever you say it, regardless of the facts. Here is a fact - whenever a talkback gets highjacked by a bunch of politics, YOU are dead in the middle of it.
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This tb has been derailed...and to add my 2 cents, go Colbert and Stewart!
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Jul 20, 2010 3:02:26 PM CDT
Here's a fact, give me an example of me starting a political
by coughlins laws
discussion. Just one. During 2008, Harry and others started all sorts of threads about politics. It was during the campaign that most on this site saw my political views. Then, certain guys, like Hobocode, for instance, keep baiting me every single time they see me posting, so I respond to prove them wrong. As far as saying that I "think the truth is whatever I say it is, regardless of the facts", name for me one person here who says shit they don't think is the truth, as they say it. It's an asinine thing to say about someone. Of course people say what they think is the truth. Don't you? I don't understand your point and I don't think you do either. The point is, if you don't believe what you're saying, why say it? And again, I don't start fights here, I just finish them...
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...of what Coughlin's Laws says, opinion of the finale of Lost aside. He was not the first to bring up politics in this thread.
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be certain jumping off points that everyone can agree with. However, guys like Hobocode and sonny_williams will disagree with everything I say, just for the sake of arguing. It's really quite annoying. They just instinctively attack me, without even really paying attention to what I said or trying to figure out why. They want everyone else to just dismiss what I say by sliming me. Fine, go ahead, it works for certain people and a large part of the population can be fooled by sleaze merchants like that. But I'm not going to apologize for who I am or what I believe, especially to childish insult-mongers, some of whom populate threads like this. I know where you get it from. Your teacher has taught you well. You saw a guy with few talents other than reading a good speech rise all the way up to President of the United States by being a character assassin. It can work...
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Lost's final season sucked. Too many holes. Too many questions. Too much seeing the "mechanical contrivances" of the whole thing. But, to be honest, after five seasons of dudes withholding information for no apparent reason whatsoever (other than to further the "mystery") when simply speaking up could've changed everything AND saved lives, well, what more did we expect? ;-) Seriously, I/we should've seen it coming. We got cockteased for five years and held out hope against hope that Lost would make with the goods. Instead, we got, "I'm not that kinda girl. Didn't you understand that?" Damn, I'd rather have fucked the fat chick. At least she was willing to put out.
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...by fat girl do you mean Heroes? Because you could pick up something nasty that way.
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I didn't say fat AND ugly! (And poorly written.) Plus, when that bitch "puts out," it's not only something nasty, but a supreme anti-climax (if you'll pardon the pun... again)!
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Jul 20, 2010 3:38:07 PM CDT
Oh and to return to politics just for a moment to make a point
by the bicycle sharer
All my posts have been brought to you by the power of... UNEMPLOYMENT!!! And, today, the Senate approved another six months if me cruising the boards and "working on my novel!" That's a grand fucking total of... 125 weeks!!! (Or two-and-a-half years!!!) So, the next time some talking head whines that "nobody wants to stay unemployed," let me assure you that this is not the case. Certainly not with THIS gentlemen of leisure. Six more months, thank you, useful idiots in the Congress! Otherwise, I'd have to do something productive. Like accounting. Instead of enjoying the fine company of you fellows and churning out (yeah, I used the phrase) a chapter every day or three. :-D
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The political whining just bought ME six more months of mai tais and motherfucking yahtzee! Six more months of watching Fox News! Six more months of "fun-employment!" Six more months of pointing out idiots, i.e. you and RPLocke. Woo to the motherfucking hoo!
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Apologizing and hating! Brought to you by... LOST! LOST the series that never fails to find an argument!
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I think that we can all agree (right?) that that show sucked fucking balls. And used a lot of teeth while doing it. Ugh.We need just ONE more season to...No.We need just ONE mini-series to...No!We need just one made-for-tv movie to...NO!
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To see a fucking show beg like that shit? Pathetic. Fucking pathetic. A tacit admission of their failures all along.
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How the fuck can anyone knock that show? Seriously. I spent, what, two years avoiding it 'cause I feared that it would glamorize drugs. As a former user (no, not meth), I had no appetite for something that might spark an interest in a return to old, old, old ways (coke and ecstasy back in the '80s). I accidentally caught ONE EPISODE in that Season Two "Best Of" series that they did, stuck with the entire marathon and was hooked.Same goes for Mad Men. No interest in jumping on the bandwagon ('cause I used to be addicted to fucking my secretary back in the '60s! JK!), but caught one episode of the "Best Of" and was hooked. Went and got the first season and watched the entire thing in one day. Got the second season and watched it over a couple of days. Now, I'm waiting with baited breath.
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"And we'll continue to have to agree to disagree." I'm cool with that.
"I'm highly dubious of their claims about purgatory ALWAYS having been purgatory AND that they ALWAYS intended that. Just... too many problems."
Maybe. I am just taking them at their word there. Plus, maybe it was NOT meant to be an after-life setting and just them meeting somewhere and over time it evolved into that. I don't really see problems with it so much as them: 1) Having no end date and; 2) Ending up with too big of a show for the personal type of story they wanted it to be (and, you know, unexplained things).
"Look, where was Walt? If they always intended that and, remember, they were SUPER insistent on having a plan around season three, then why didn't they just film that scene WITH WALT back in the day? I mean, what is that, half a day's filming?"
Three possible reasons. First, things can change. Second, maybe they weren't accounting for such a dramatic growth spurt. Third, if that footage existed, it would have been leaked and the ending's reveal would have been pretty much ruined.
"And then the whole Charlie's a fucking drug addict IN PURGATORY?!?!?!"
Yes. But only because: 1) This not-really-but-a-lot-like Purgatory (fPurgatory? anyway) seems to take them on a what-if dream world of what their life would be like without the Island, maybe to experience THAT life timestream and fix their flaws kind of on their own terms. They were ALL flawed, and all had their problems from their earlier lives (or similar-yet-related ones) to some extent. They all also got over them, came to some sort of "awakening," got to find personal salvation, hang out with their friends, and then go off to Heaven (or whatever).
"So, let me get THAT one straight - Jacob gets a straight pass to the hereafter presumably (not in the church), but Charlie who kicked a habit heroin habit and died saving the rest gets to be a fucking asshole drug addict again?!?!?"
See above. I'm guessing the collective "they" forgot about what happened on the Island until they connected via touching. As for Jacob? Who knows? I don't. But the Fakeatory in the Church and all that was overall a positive coming-to-terms/reunion for those that were on the plane, wasn't it?
"No, no, no. This is the kind of contrived shit that was used to trick the audience but that had NO internal logical consistency. That's also the reason Widmore's "plan" got short shrift - it doesn't fit with the purgatory switch that they came up with about two-thirds through the season (just my guess, there on the two-thirds)."
I don't think so, if for no reason than I do not at all believe they came to the afterlife-church decision 2/3rd of the way through writing/filming the final season, then quick changed things and killed off whatever Charles Widmore was supposed to do. That said, I have no idea what they were really going for with Charles. A lot of characters ended up not doing nearly as much as I thought they were going to, or in the fashion I expected. Except Lapidus. I always thought he'd do great things (punchlines & all). I'm glad they didn't disappoint! And Desmond.
"Regarding the ashes and the fire, dude, that's cool, but the important thing about that is that it "religiously/ritually" gets Jacob out of the way while simultaneously avoiding his explaining the plan to Jack... or Hurley... or anybody. THAT'S the "convenience" aspect."
Yeah, Jacob isn't much of an "answers" kinda guy . . . I really don't have an answer. Maybe Widmore was lying (he's not been the most ethical of characters). Maybe Jacob had several plans and only wanted to give Jack the essentials to keep people on-task (kind of like how you don't have to give plans from one dept. to another and vice versa as it won't impact what the individual departments have to do). Maybe it was just in need of a bit of judicious editing so that Jacob could be a tad clearer and maybe let Jack be a bit more able to act on-the-fly. Or maybe it's because all Jack had to do, really, was hold onto the role long enough to kill Jacob's brother, die, and hand the role off to Hurley? Sure, more info would be nice, but Jacob's already dead and all that matters is that MIB is killed, the Island is saved, and that about wraps it up.
"In all, a lot of things don't add up in that final season (not saying that everything doesn't, just A LOT) and what we do get REALLY seems to show the mechanical contrivances, the contortions, that the writers went through in the end, resolving little, explaining less, just to get that contrived cliff battle and purgatory." That could in part be a result of changing writers over six years. I find things fitting together a bit better than you, but I have issues as well and former writers have spoken about how the "Others" (just one example of probably lots) changed quite a bit from how they were originally portrayed & intended.
"And I'll barbecue my fucking Dodgers cap and eat it if somebody brings me definitive proof that purgatory was planned all along. That last shot with Jack dying as the plane flies off? Absolutely. Purgatory? Not a chance in hell (if you'll pardon the pun). ;-)" I wouldn't hold your breath. I think that's more-or-less what J.J. wrote a long time ago, and seems like it could be kind of a cool sort of ending (just not the one most of us wanted). Still, definitive proof? On LOST? Not bloody likely. "Another thing, which I forgot to mention, was Lindelof's and Cuse's assertion in the New York Times that everything was scientifically explainable AND that it wouldn't be purgatory. Now, granted, it wasn't ALL purgatory, but come fucking on, Carlton and Damon! It's not ALL gonna be purgatory... but some of it is! Haha! We tricked you! Sigh. Yay. Good for you guys. Fucking liars. (Cuse and Lindelof, not you, Dave I.)" First, I think it was something like there COULD be a logical explanation for everything that happened (e.g. you could find a possible scientific rationale AND a possible supernatural one), AND maybe only up to that point (not necessarily carrying over to the ending. Second, they COULD argue they were being genuine. The Island was NOT Purgatory. If they really wanted to split hairs, the church scene isn't Purgatory. Just some as of yet unnamed afterlife phenomenon resultant from their connection to the Island and each other. Kind of a hallow argument, but technically I'd say it works. Not that I totally buy it (much less like it), but I think it could be true. -Cheers -
It was called a FLASH SIDEWAYS. Get it right fuck nuts.
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First, is there an actual official name to those Flashes during the final season? Second, those flashes were to their existence in the afterlife. That looked AND functioned a lot like (wait for it, wait for it) Purgatory. Even if it wasn't Purgatory, cut people some slack. It's semantics, and it on an AICN talkback, not somebody's doctorate. I'd honestly mind it less if you were ripping on Harry for getting drunk and writing an article, or for not hiring an editor to proofread these things, since he's a journalist-type and this is his job/company. We're just a bunch of fans chatting about a show that's not even on (much less fully explained). -Cheers
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Ain't it great?
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Nicely done. I'll have to respond later. Got a chapter to write. ;-)
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because we know the whole mystery and mythology mean nothing. Can't believe i wasted my time speculating on it.
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This from the guy who can't spell Widmore's name and who can't even accurately explain Widmore's plan/purpose. (The bad guy? Trying to destroy the island, too? Empowering Desmond with electromagnetism to "convert" the others IN PURGATORY!!!) Dave I gets it... COMPLETELY! He and I disagree about the show, but at least we respect each other's point of view. You, however? Well, clown shoes at a fucking black tie affair, that's what you are.
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Yes, sir! Company I worked for out here (Cali) went belly up. My wife makes a great salary doing some really easy stuff that she loves and is a part-time smut novelist (http://carinapress.com) so, with what you get out here, it gave me an opportunity to jack around for a year. Not that I could find something in my field - accounting - but $1,800 a month sure makes it easy to try my hand at writing. Unfortunately, I get more words on AICN some days than I do on the novel.
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Where you at and how long you been sucking on the gov't teat with me? Me, I'm in Cali and it's about forty weeks right now. With another eighty-five to go! Mai tais, yahtzee, and big tittied wives! Thanks, Obummer!
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Fifty-two weeks! I know you can do it. I got faith. I'd never vote for you, but I'll gladly take everything you hand out and return a portion to the RNC! Keep it coming, love! Keep coming, love! Don't stop it now. Don't stop, no. Don't stop it. Keep it coming, love!When my company closed my wife was all, "You always said you wanted time to write" and I'm all, "Yes, but I didn't tell you it was on AICN! Haha! Tricked you! I should write for LOST!"
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Bringing the man down by taking all his money! Booyah!And the politicians keep playing right along. "Oh, he's so sad. He'd work if he could. We should give him another twenty-six weeks."Hell, yeah, you should, bitch! And when you're done, get in the kitchen and cook me some fucking dinner!
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I'm in md and been on it since january I think (but been unemployed since the week of my bday in oct). I do enjoy the govt assistance but I feel bad for usin them too...but it doesn't stop me from filn every other week. And I actually plan to move to la after my car accident case is resolved or settle hopefully soon. I know the job market is terrible out there but if everything fails I can always do porn. And twitter has become my supreme distraction. I should be writin screenplays or work on some comedy skits, but I can't stop tweetin. Fuckin internet...
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Don't feel bad, dude. Seriously. If you're on unemployment and you're like me, you've paid in your entire life (unemployment insurance is deducted from your check and matched by your employer) and never collected a fucking cent of it. I probably would've made a harder hunt for a job if a certain group of politicians hadn't INSISTED that EVERYBODY on unemployment was poor, downtrodden, and dying for a job and then insisted on throwing money at them (and the banks and Wall Street and the auto industry) while day after day after day after day they said, "Green jobs, yeah, that's the ticket!" (As an aside, "green jobs" out here - laying off like a motherfucker!). So, of course, I'll allow idiots to be idiots and subsidize my VERY early retirement and writing. In what other world will your enemies PAY you to spend all your time following their every move, voting against them, and going to rallies of their opponents. In what other world would your enemy PAY you money, a portion of which you send to their political opponents (and, yes, I do EXACTLY that).Good luck on the car accident case. Hopefully, when it's done, things will have improved out here, you'll move, and I'll take you out for lunch and a beer. Just lemme know.Also, yes, "fuckin internet!" Distracting me with your distracting distractiveness!
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'Cause of "Homicide" and "The Wire" plus a Michener novel I read, "Chesapeake," I think it was called. Not sure if I could take the humidity, though.
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How can you be a Lost fan and never hear of the term Flash Sideways? It's mentioned by Damon and Carlton MANY times in the Lost Offical podcast. It was an official term.
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He got an official name? Get it right fuck nut.
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I avoid Twitter like the fucking plague. Who wants to hear - "just watched another porno" or "just posted on AICN again" or "RPLocke sucks dick" - that many times a day? ;-)
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And he's an idiot! (Damn, this shit could go on all day!)
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Good to see things haven't changed
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What they should have done is only had the limbo world every three or four episodes. It was a bridge too far having it run throughout the season.
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I don't know any Lost fan that's never heard of Flash Sideways before.
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More or less. Besides, it's an AICN talkback. For a show that's not even on anymore. Sorry, I'm not putting that much effort into it at this point. I liked it and all, but there's more to life. That said, I didn't know they'd officially called them anything. Oh well. I've only seen the term here, and never cared much for the term Flash Sideways. But I didn't bother to see if that's what Damon & Carlton called it. Heck, during the final season I started AVOIDING anything that would be possibly a spoiler and afterward? There really wasn't much to see other than rampant speculation and rants about the ending. Sorry, I missed it. The term never really stuck with me. Not that I had anything better. But even then, I can't care enough to get geeked out about it one way or the other. It WAS still like a very Purgatory-inspired Flash-whatever, so people can refer to it however they want for all I care. We still get what they are talking about. -Cheers
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Yes, they are called Flash Sideways. During the episode LA X people were speculating too much and they said on the official Lost Podcast to call it a Flash Sideways. The regular Lost timeline is all there.
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Twitter is not bad if you make sure you don't follow those that tweet about their activities. Just follow joketellers and you should be good. And I hate bmore, its dirty and feels like its 15years behind
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a guy who used to work for Bad Robot said the purgatory-church ending where they all go into the light together in the afterlife, was JJ Abrams ending, planned from the very, very beginning. They stuck to it all these years and never waivered. I posted the proof in the finale talkback and the one or two after that. Its also searchable on darkufo's website. Why wasn't Michael there? because he was cursed to stay on the island as a ghost. How come people like Desmond were there when Desmond didn't even exist when JJ Abrams was running LOST? Because JJ Abrams came up with the hatch idea, and they needed a man in the hatch. That's why Ben wasn't inside the church. Why wasn't Walt in there? Because they shot his scenes during the finale, and you'll find out what happened with him in the deleted scene that runs about 12 mins on the dvd for s6
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Jul 20, 2010 7:04:44 PM CDT
for the last fucking time, the explanation of the end of LOST
by billboefett
Jack was everyone's Constant, and they couldn't move on without him. And if Jack hadn't replugged the core, the light would've gone out everywhere, including the one they went into from the church. Live together, die alone and if Desmond hadn't unplugged the core, MIB/Flocke would've eventually gotten off the island, and killed everyone or basically made it hell on earth. Using time travel to prove to Richard that Locke was the true leader, and then impersonating him after his death to trick Ben into killing Jacob, was MIB's long con. But using time travel to have the 815ers create the incident necessitating the hatch which supercharged Desmond to be able to unplug the core, which made MIB mortal so Jack could kill him, was Jacob's long-con. And btw, Darlton had Jack's appendix removed 3 years in advance so that when MIB finally stabbed him, he'd live long enough to be able to replug the core. Why didn't Jack turn into a smokie? Because he was the island's official caretaker. Why didn't Desmond? Because he was supercharged from the Swan explosion.
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I said my mom died in WWI, 1, not 2, you stupid jackass. Pay better attention next time. Instead, you and your trollbuddies just shoved your own feet in your mouths over and over mocking my "mom who died in WWII". I just enjoyed every single post you guys did from that. Massive, massive entertainment here. Thanks :)
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so BicycleSharer, when you do that tandem bike sharing thing with your buttbuddies here in the TBs, do you demand they remove the seats first, so that the little metal pole post goes much, much deeper in the penetration?
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blow me
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Fuck bicycle and the rest of the republican party! Seriously, fuck the retardians
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Good to know. A lot of that extra stuff I honestly never saw or listened to. -Prost
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You said WWI and I misread it for WWII and I corrected it. Go fuck yourself, you ninety-five year old piece of shit. Your mom is giving the Kaiser and Saddam and Hitler head in the gangbang corner of hell!Your assertions about "a dude that knows a dude that used to post online who was friend's with this chick who dated a dude who worked at Bad Robot" is NOT fucking proof. Where'd you fucking go to school? As to the rest of your assertions, I've yet to hear an explanation of why Jacob or anybody else never said, "Hey, bitch, here's what's up!" As for the other assertions, I'll address them later.
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You should seriously get fucking help. Serious professional help. You can't spell characters' names correctly (even after being corrected WHILE criticizing others for not using YOUR preferred terminology), you can't even get the plot of the show you're defending right (Widmore, et al.), and now you're asserting that you "don't know any Lost fan that's never heard of Flash Sideways before." Well, good for you! Congratulations! You want a fucking medal for biggest 'tard? You got it! Who even SAID they'd never heard of Flash Sideways, you moronic twit? Certainly not ME. I just refuse to call 'em that 'cause they definitely WERE NOT SIDEWAYS. See, to be sideways, they'd have to be an alternate timeline BESIDE the other one. Instead, they're FLASH PURGATORIOs 'cause they occur in some mystical world FUCKING AFTER (not BESIDE, not NEXT TO, not SIDEWAYS) AFTER all the characters are dead IN THE FUTURE. The only fucking way that they can be FLASH SIDEWAYS is if everyone died on the island in the plane crash. That's it. Otherwise, FUTURE = NOT SIDEWAYS.
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Go fuck yourself, too, you government mooching piece of shit! :-D
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I have never felt so esteemed to be not one the crowd! I don't understand half the enemity and insanity in here sometimes. You know, if there was ever to be some freaky Alta-Purgatory-universe, I sure would like to see how LOST could have played out better, but we got what we got in this universe, and I'm not going to do anymore investing in it. And on that note, besides this an occasional forays into lostpedia & darkufo, thank heavens I never spent time on trying to unravel the "mysteries" of crosspromotion.
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it makes LOST look like a boring vacation.
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Jul 20, 2010 8:55:05 PM CDT
Where is Destiny headed? thats what we should be discussing
by dioxholsterreturns
not whether the island is purgatory or not.
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Please watch the DVDs and go to Lostpedia and look up Flash Sideways. That's what it was called. I'm NOT making it up. It's a flash sideways. When they "Awakened" in the flash sideways, then they can move on to who knows where.
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Jul 20, 2010 8:58:40 PM CDT
BillboeFett, what would have happened if Light reached the world
by dioxholsterreturns
umm time travel?
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MY LORD...UMMM....KARMA ANYONE??? LOL!!! the LOSER is FUCKING UNEMPLOYED!!BWHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!BWHHHAAAHHAAAA!!!! u have the GALL to call out a fucking SELF-EMPLOYED "used car salesman"??? and ur FUCKING UNEMPLOYED LOL????u better hope to GOD that people like me continue to pay our taxes!! same goes to u for opportunistic piece of shit Bicycle Sharer. anyway LOL...the FUCKING INTERNET LOSER steppy IS (LOL!!) UNEN-FUCKING-PLOYED!!! fuck me LOL!!! hey LOSER...i go to Fredericksburg, Va. EVERY WEEK for the auto auction (u know where thats at- just down 95 from D.C. food stamps boy) so if u NEED A HAND OUT JUST LET ME KNOW!!! BWAAHHAAAAAAHAAAA broheim.....
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u just want a FREE HANDOUT!!! LOLLLL!!! what a fucking REAL LOSER!!!! man i could'nt MAKE UP a better fate for a LOSER like YOU brotha....
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http://tinyurl.com/29sdwxg
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ahhhhh THE IRONY broheim(s)....
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"But using time travel to have the 815ers create the incident necessitating the hatch which supercharged Desmond to be able to unplug the core, which made MIB mortal so Jack could kill him, was Jacob's long-con." Come on, that's funny as fuck to read. Its also the most convoluted plot explanation I've ever read.
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suck it haters - we're getting more LOST yay.
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and season 6. I'm currently re-watching all 5 seasons in order to be finished by August 24th when season 6 comes out and I've been able to figure out an answer to almost every mystery.
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the light did reach the world.. hello? The problem was not the light reaching the world, the problem was the light going out, which would have happened if the MIB left the island, or if Jack hadn't replugged the core. But you had to risk him leaving the island first, with the core unplugged, to put an end to him once and for all. And you needed someone ready and willing to take him out, who was groomed for just this situation. Enter Jack, enter Desmond.
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I can remember reading about the new Dune miniseries on SciFi.
That's how long I've been hanging around.
I created this account to say this:
Who. The. Fuck. Cares.
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its like a chess match, you guess your opponents moves 5-6 moves ahead of them. Now, imagine this game involved life and death, over thousands of years of time, on a secret and special island. That isn't convoluted, its not simple in a sound-bite kinda way thats easy to disperse and delineate. Doesn't mean its stupid. Crave the more advanced and intricate things in life brotha
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remotely based on ANYTHING that happens in the show are hilarious.
"Jack was everyone's Constant, and they couldn't move on without him. And if Jack hadn't replugged the core, the light would've gone out everywhere, including the one they went into from the church."
I don't know where you pulled that from. Where is it said that Jack is everyone's constant? As far as I'm concerned constants are mentioned in ONE episode of the show and related only to time travel. Thats the thing with LOST, they throw out enough bits of dialogue and ideas and then wait for someone to link them all together to explain stuff that has no explanation. When Jacob threw his brother in the 'light' it DID go out! So when did it come back on again? Oh er...thats not important, the important thing is the characters, characters like Boone and Shannon, and getting everyone to hug in slow motion. Seriously, if you want more "advanced and intricate" drama watch Mad Men or The Wire. Even give Carnivale a go and see where Darlton nicked all their ideas from.
If anything LOST proves that an idea for an ending you come up with 6 years in advance might sound good at the time, but during the course of those 6 years you should either rethink or at least have it make sense.
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Anybody can make stuff up and then not answer anything.
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Worst show in the history of television. Sure it was. Face it. If you actually seriously claim and believe they did not answer ANYTHING, admit it. You were not really paying attention, were you? Heck, lots of the mysteries of the series were answered AND more than a few were discussed in this very talkback. Sure, I think we all have problems with the show, but c'mon. You've got to stay grounded in reality here dude. Oh wait, it's the Internet. Scratch that. But the rest I believe holds true. -Cheers
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No one had a clue on what direction to take. They were making it up as they went along.
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I watched every single episode every week and up until Season 6 thought we had one of the best tv shows in history. Then we had Season 6 and hardly any answers were shown. The fact that the Island has this light that must be protected was never mentioned in the last 5 seasons.The writers were making it up as they went along. JJ said as much on Howard Stern during the second season.I haven't watched a show where nearly everything was never answered. LOST is how not to write a television show because you cannot end it.The best summary was from Alan Dale on "Say aloho to Lost" tv show when asked was your character bad - "I don't know what he was". Widmore, one of biggest characters in the show and the actor playing him has no clue if he was good or bad? Yeah that's a great show right there.Like I said - Worst show in the history of television.
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Yep, I'm a moocher...but I am not a democrat
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The acting by a couple of the leads was fantastic and it was unfortunate they were not associated with another show but this nonsense.
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I respectfully disagree with your claim of "Worst Show in the History of Television", and I think they answered quite a few questions. The "light that must be protected" thing is kind of the answer to "where does all this weird Island energy & strange occurrences come from." I also think they adapted things and changed/invented some things as they went along. But I thought it came together pretty well at the end. I do have problems though like everybody else. I also wonder how many of the questions will be able to be inferred somehow if we look hard enough. Still, there are some questions left unanswered (although they still answered a lot of the big ones, a LOT of them, seriously). That said, I found it pretty condemning too when Alan Dale admitted he did not know if he was a good guy or a bad guy. That could be a case of moral ambiguity, but really, I think it's because we weren't given enough information to know what he really wanted or how pure/diabolical his intentions were. I really don't think Alan Dale honestly knew. So there, you've got me. That and the unsolved mysteries . . . Yeah, I will concede that point. -Cheers
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Type in youtube search...
LOST "The New Man in Charge" -
Just pissed off that they couldn't pull the show off. It's put me off watching any new sci fi/fantasy show until I find out they actually have endings.
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Yeah, that's not a problem. I had much less of a problem with LOST than a lot of people did and liked the ending. That said, I'll agree there were problems, and there are definitely endings I've liked better, and your points were well-met. -Cheers
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I have no party affliation because none of them are honest or trustworthy and are only interested in helpin themselves or their party...dems are stupid, repubs are evil, and I don't even know what an independent is beccause they're useless...only way I will vote if somehow I run for office
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except on the republicans being evil. they're no more "eviler" then damnocrates...
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...theyre re-creating history and omitting facts (theyre not calling slavery "slavery" anymore in history books right?)...theyre showin up to rallys with assault rifles...they voted for George Bush, an evil puppet... all the democrats do is talk a lot and dont deliver... but if the democrats had balls and actually used their power to make changes, then im sure they could become evilly...
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...LOST screwed their fans...screwed them and had the nerve to say it was consenual...
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Is that what you're calling yourself now lostboy? And why call it work when it seems to come so naturally to you?
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get ready for reach arounds! bottoms up bears!
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yaaaaaeeee!!! wonder if hes is "gainfully employed" like 'ol steppy....
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Goodbye LOST. I enjoyed the ride and character resolution but that doesn't mean I can't still poke fun ...
http://tinyurl.com/37uyute
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We can now see what all the Losties did when they finally went into the light. Maybe even Flash-Hell scenes for all the baddies...
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turn your speakers up: http://tinyurl.com/2en6lnp
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um.. Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican party, created the emancipation proclamation and freed the sleeves. Now who's rewriting history? And please, please, don't mention all those Democrats who were members of the KKK
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We're a go fot a flush
On: Three
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Hold: There's some crazy freckled broad trying to collect everyone's guns to *give to the other side*
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I already posted proof for all thsi stuff, a day or two after the finale, here. With plenty of links and citataions. Just because YOU missed it, because you were too busy celebrating your perceived trollvictory splooging all over your walls w/ LOST's conclusion, and missed it, isn't my problem. And no, I'm not going to make any more effort to reprove it or recite it. You're not worth it. If you want to know how Jack was everyone's Constant, listen to the specific dialogue his dad says to him in the church, also pay attention to the mission everyone else seems to be on in the finale and before. No, the light in the cave did NOT go out, it flickered. I've rewatched the ep enough times to see it. So have others. The producers confirmed it didn't go out. the concept of the Constant was something that was a general theme of the entire series, starting with Jack's famous speech on the island "live together, die alone". We obviously saw that no one could realize where they really were, or move on, until they were reunited with their Constant. A really good example is Sayid had the wrong one (Nadia) when it was Shannon the entire time. It was only when he reunited with Shannon, that he was ready. If the light on the island goes out, it goes out everywhere (this is what their Mother said, not my words). A day after the finale, Damon Lindelof confirmed to Kristen of E:Online that the light they went into from the Church is the same light that is on the island. There, I gave you a little. But its probably way more than you deserve. I'm done. I've explained. It won't change your mind, and I couldn't care any less. Namaste.
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But lincoln was a jackass probably either way
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the #2 most beloved favorite president of ALL TIME, hands down, no questions asked, is that way, for NO REASON WHATSOEVER. He's just a jackass? Why? Because you need him to be.
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so much in a while. The shit you guys say to eachother is fucked up but it is fucking funny. You guys are mental.
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That's one idea that my dad put in my head.... I'm sure lincoln was better than any pres before him but that info was incepted pretty good by my dad (ps he's black so there's some "I hate the man" mentality there)
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When you realise the "Source" is the source of the flash sideways universe...a place of life and death. A place of no time. A place similar to the properties of the island, which becomes unstuck in time and allows people to see the dead. Sure, not a strong scientific answer, but abstract enough to ponder and debate forever...like all great creative ideas.
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Kinda hard to tell with all the politics swirling around. BTW I think I found some people on here I hate more than RPBoy, I actually feel sorry for him for the first time EVER! :p Why do we all just constantly argue about subjective shit? Or maybe that's why politics was brought up, in the real world there are facts. You can now see very clearly who's full of shit when politics are argued here... so thanks! Oh yeah, still love LOST! :D
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Doubt anyone is still here. Nevertheless, gotta get it off my chest. Why are so many morons on here saying that wanting the "Lost" finale to have answers is akin to wanting to know that "Midichlorians" were behind The Force? First of all, Star Wars was not a mystery movie, it was an science fiction/action movie. The whole movie did not have characters saying "What is the mystery of the Force? Why can only Jedis use it? Where did it come from?" nor did plot points hinge on inconsistencies with the Force. In other words, no one asked for Midichlorians. However, "Lost" DID raise such mysteries. What is the island, what is the smoke monster, what are "the rules," why can't women get pregnant, etc. So it stands to reason that one would expect those questions be answered. If you're going to compare the "Lost" finale to Star Wars then the analogy should be that, after Darth Vader tells Luke that he is his father, it is never again mentioned by anyone, and the series concludes with never knowing how or why the father of the story's hero became the story's villain. That's all I have to say. Oh wait, one more thing... all you asshole talkbackers bragging about being on unemployment (which, at 30 months, is not unemployment but WELFARE), it's time that you show some goddamned respect to us taxpayers and stop bragging about being on it. Any man who is on unemployment HAS NO PENIS and EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. You're just like the Harley Drivers in that South Park episode where everyone is calling them "fags" but they think they're cool because their motorcycles are loud. You might think you are cool, but every woman in your life knows that you have no dick, and it's just important to me that you know that.
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You were JUST fucking here! "Oh, the comments for the other talkback are closed!" What a worthless, lying piece of shit! Die, motherfucker! Die!
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Jul 21, 2010 10:52:13 PM CDT
RPLocke, you really are the stupidest human ever!
by the bicycle sharer
Seriously, without a doubt, beyond contention, the stupidest poster ever! You're LITERALLY having an argument that NEVER occurred. So, please, continue to argue your crazy shit, you Widmore misspelling, no plot figuring, Iron Man 2 demise predicting ass clown! Please, please, please continue to "educate" all us po' ignoramuses on these weird things that you call, what is it... "flash sideways?" Bwahahahahahahaha!
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Yup. Evil. And you're funding it. So keep voting Dem. And I'll keep taking your cash and sending it to the RNC and the Tea Party and the state of Arizona for their lawsuit!As long as dem Dems bes in pow'r, I'sa gwanna be takesin dat dey money! 'Cause I's jus' a po' black 'countant what cain't finds me no jobs out here in de California. Hahahahahahahaha! Yousa keeps on givin' and I'sa gwanna keeps on takin'! And you can't help yourselves! That's the best part! I'm gonna bleed you motherfuckers dry if I can and there ain't a motherfucking thing you can do about it! Every fucking check I get, I pull just a little out for "the causes!" And you motherfuckers are paying for it! LMMFAO!
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I don't buy it. First off, there is no mention of constants anywhere in season 6. Constants are purely a time travel thing if you refer only to the show itself and not producer interviews. Secondly, the "mission" you refer to is caused by Desmond, not Jack, going round "waking them all up" or whatever it was he was doing. IF (and its a big IF) the aim of the final scene was to show that Sayid's true love was Shannon and not Nadia then thats a bit of a cop-out too. Don't remember Sayid mentioning Shannon at all in season 6, and the deal he made with Smokey was to get Nadia back, not Shannon. Just more examples of that final scene not making sense. I said twice before about Rose, one thing that is made clear is that they "all" need to "move on" together, and yet Rose can't stand Locke, and half of them don't even know Penny!
And I'm not a troll, I was on here all through last summer on the season 5 finale TB with Paburrows, Hobocode, Cheif Brody, Rizzo, all them guys. It was only around the halfway point of s6 I realised the show was going to disappoint, its not that they didn't explain everything, its that the explanations were less than revelatory (ie. the whispers?!) and that the plot of season 6 was just people walking to places and then walking back again. Plus they introduced fantastical concepts like a magic cave and lighthouse which seemed tacked on and barely developed before they moved on to something else. Richard was revealed to not know any of the secrets of the Island, as was Ben, and then even Jacob. Characters like Lapidus, Ilana and Miles had 1 or 2 lines an episode. Widmore came back and did pretty much nothing. I've read some fantastic theories on LOST over the years, and can honestly say that 90% of them were better than the crap we got in that final year. I'm not a hater, I loved years 2-5 and thought they might just do it and create something extraordinary with the final season. It just didn't happen.
The thing that most perfectly encapsulates LOST is the skeletons in the cave. The fact those skeletons are in episode 5 season 1 is supposed to be some great clue that they planned it all along. But then you remember Jack saying they were 30-40 years old and you realise that no, it makes no sense, its just bits of plot nailed together in the hope of forming a whole. It didn't work.
As for you Bilboe, I remember you from countless TBs over the years, always up to date on spoilers and then tossing in your own "theories" based on stuff you KNEW would be happening in upcoming episodes. Ever thought maybe THAT is the reason you like the finale, because you spoiled yourself before it aired, and therefore didn't have the high expectations a lot of us had? Just throwin that out there...
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Well said and without vitriol. Just plainly spoken and accurate. Nice post.Regarding the skeletons, yup, forgot about that. Thirty to forty years old versus two thousand years old? Oh, I know the magic cave kept the skeletons (why not the whole bodies) intact for two thousand years. Riiiiiiiiiight.I will disagree with you on one point - I spoiled the shit outta myself for that final season and STILL was disappointed as shit. Especially as we got closer and closer to the end. In fact, my disappointment started around the time of "Across the Sea" and blossomed from there.
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Come on now. We can spew some vitriol at each other, but I've read several bios of Lincoln. The dude was practically a fucking saint, warts and all.
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some island science/"magic" but, totally dismiss others. desmonds fucking MIND travels/switches between HIMSELF in 2 different time periods buuuuut, the bodies in the cave could'nt have slowly aged??? and when was Jack or Locke an EXPERT on decaying fucking bodies??? u fucking whiners are just mad because the answers dont jive with ur preconceived answers to the mysteries. the answers were given to alot of mysteries. u whiners just dont want to accept them thats all...
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Jul 22, 2010 5:23:42 PM CDT
My Jinn theory still would have been the best route for J.J. Abr
by jonsnow
If the flashsideways was instead a flash backward to my idea I posted here awhile back about the smoke moster being a Jinn, the series would make sense and would also retain a great deal of the mythos of the previous 5 season. The final episode should have centered around the origin of the smoke monster in the cave of Majlis al Jinn. The final scene should have been the dude who never ages decending into this cave. A different backstory of Richard being a pirate or a Knights Templer would make more sense. He and his crew after finding the bottle then sail east toward the island where they wreck...I could go on but suffice it to say the Jinn theory by far is the more interesting one. I will not be buying this series on dvd because of the last episode. Sad really since I enjoyed Alias so much.
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this was my theory throughout the sixth season. I realised around Happily Ever After that it was wrong. Anyway, I'll keep it short because no one wants to read long LOST rants.
Jacob and MIB are the 2 forces on the Island. Good versus Bad. The Island is the only 'real' timeline in our world. Jacob travels around the world (from the Island) and its his presence that causes our reality, he is everyone's constant. We would find out that Jacob inherited this role when the last person died, at which point time in the outside world 'reset' to some point in the past. Jacob then restored the timeline by doing his travelling and meddling routine and when he died at the end of season 5, that caused time to 'reset' again, giving us the sideways. I thought that all the people Jacob touched would inherit his role at the end of the series, that it wouldn't be ONE of them, but ALL of them. I thought the sideways would take place AFTER the end of the series, with Jack and Co having sacrificed their lives to continuing Jacob's work. Then there was some more stuff with MIB explaining his 'long con' to kill Jacob, encompassing the time travel and some element of re-incarnation but it seemed I was more interested in explaining that than they were. The only thing that really confused me was all the stuff involving the cabin. The writers obviously thought similar, as they completely abandoned all that stuff in season 6.
If they made the Island a sort of 'centre of time' that would explain all the time travel stuff, the fact Jacob doesn't age and how there could be alternate realities. I remember Darlton talking about knowing what the 'final image' of the show would be, I imagined it being a massive zoom out from the Island, showing the Island and the space around it as a sphere, with all the realities coming off it, looking very much like the Dharma station map, or even the inside of an atom (!) and then
*POOM* L O S T
Not saying its perfect or even that great, but I expected LOST to go all out WTF crazy with its ending. When I saw a fade to white in a church I couldn't help but be disappointed. To tease the final image and then just have it be the first image reversed might sound cute and clever but it just left me feeling cheated -
well thought out, articulated, and without vitriol, as that other guy said. I disagree on some but who cares? Namaste sir.
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And I love the first four seasons. Going back to the Dharma days and all they do is drive around in a van or sit inside sheds. I mean, COME ON. Dharma was investigating time travel and the natural end of the world. The fact that the characters all travelled together was kind of cheesy and poorly handled. Had it simply been Locke and filmed more artistically/experimentally, it would have been great. Like the Island sending Locke on a Luke Skywalker-ish quest to become the leader. The time travel was just so dissapointing. Imagine if the bird that Clare and Charlie sent out with the message on it had flown into the Black Rock instead of the butterfly during Ab Aeterno when Richard is chained to the brig. Little touches that could have tied the show up together.
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The odd Lost talk back springing up every now and then.
Without it what would fixated , aggressive non-entities have to do with their sad meaningless lives.
Brings back such great memories as well all this.
Jay's Capuchin Monkey that started typing for him on this forum if you said the word banana.
That time Jaka thoroughly owned Jay
The million and one times Lost Boy owned Jay...but never quite as good as Jaka's.
The time Jay set up his own Lost blog :-http://jay2517.blogspot.com/
--the man is a genius !!!
I've missed you big guy and still love you very much..kisses -
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