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A Mighty Impressive Group Of Folks Are Helping Tweak TRON LEGACY...
Merrick here...
Last week, via Empire magazine, we learned that director Joe Kosinski showed David Fincher a cut of TRON LEGACY and subsequently received notes on the project (Kosinski used to shoot commercials for Fincher, hence their association).
Now comes word that Fincher's notes weren't the only set of feedback solicited for the film.
EW.com has learned that the CG-extravaganza due out at the end of the year received some key input from some very brilliant filmmakers, mainly the elite brain trust at Pixar in Northern California. In late March, the Tron filmmakers chose to show a very early working cut of the film starring Garrett Hedlund and Jeff Bridges to Pixar’s John Lasseter, Ed Catmull, The Incredibles director Brad Bird, Toy Story 3 screenwriter Michael Arndt, and others. The one-day exercise was done in advance of some planned re-shoots scheduled for June with the intent of beefing up the very things that Pixar is so good at: character, emotion, and theme.
...says Entertainment Weekly HERE.
The article goes on to indicate that Brad Bird and Michael Arndt were subsequently brought in to write-up some script pages that were filmed over six days of planned reshoots in June.
Does this mean anything bad for the film? Not necessarily. Filmmakers showing their work to other filmmakers in the hopes of obtaining useful feedback is hardly a new phenomenon (Lucas/Spielberg/Milius, Abrams/Kevin Smith being examples) - this doesn't automatically denote gloom and doom in any way, shape, or form.
This said, I still think it's pretty admirable that any ego involved with any picture is comfortable enough with his or her abilities to allow/seek the input of other creative forces in this way. And, my God, look at the talent that's coming to the table in this instance. Above all, it's pretty incredible that a "the quality of the film comes first" approach is being exercised for a high-profile, corporate machine like TRON LEGACY. In TL's case, it would have been astonishingly simple for Disney and Kosinski to simply drop kick the project into theaters as-is...and remain content to sell it based on name recognition and already buzz-igniting trailers. Instead, they're going the extra mile here and trying to nail it completely. Commendable, and more power to 'em.
The EW piece suggests this kind of dialog (Disney--->Pixar--->DreamWorks and varying combos therein) may become increasingly common given the increased symmetry between those companies - which could result for a pretty formidable think tank, all things considered. It'll be very interesting to see where all of this goes.
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Can't wait to see this movie. One of the view I am very excited for.
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Did Robert Rodriguez show PREDATORS to Uwe Boll?
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Just as the Bourne movies carried the same actors and feel, I really have hopes that this movie will not feel like a "reboot" but like a logical and spiritual extension of the first movie.
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I can only pray that someday i will walk into a random casting call with a code name project to be in ANY of your future films.
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I'm already way too hopeful for this to be pretty fucking great.
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Jul 14, 2010 10:57:39 AM CDT
Apparently the film only goes 3D when he enters the world of Tro
by connor187
I wonder how they are gonna pull off that moment of transition? By that I mean, how will they tell the audience when to put on the glasses?...Don't forget, there's some pretty stupid people around?
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Hopefully this is a positive thing, not an "omg help salvage this mess" type deal.
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Empire also says "Such is the confidence Disney has for the sequel, part three is already being scripted."
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His Avatar script was a wafer thin, predictable piece of garbage. He consulted with Kathryn Bigelow - but its never a good idea to ask someone you've fucked for creative advice. Besides, she was probably giggling on the inside and let him go ahead with that garbage. Cameron's ego is such he won't entertain the idea of consulting, you know, a good writer. His mind tells him "I'm the best writer in the world! Wooo wooo wooo!"
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BASTARDO!
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in the 1st place. Brad Bird would have been my choice. At least they're doing the Flynn's Arcade short before legacy where all the classic and antique arcade machines come to life. Good thing this gay, first-time car commercial director is getting help. Wouldn't mention the gay but it didn't seem to help singer's films and we got a disfuctional superman who runs out on his pregnant girlfriend.
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Can't wait for Christmas.
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When Superman Returns switched to 3D segments they just flashed a green dot in the corner of the screen.
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a kind of visual interactive crossover.
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Spring 2010: First-time feature director realizes he is in way over his head. First cut of film lacks character, emotion, depth, soul, etc. Producer quietly informs studio head, "we have a problem."
June 2010: Disney, banking on Tron being their next franchise, organizes emergency meeting with top creative talent who, as ordered, provided 'suggestions' but no real life line.
Fall 2010: Previews reveal Tron Legacy to be an incoherent mess of a film, albeit with cool visuals.
December 2010: Big opening weekend based on hype and no challengers and quick drop-off due to terrible word-of-mouth.
Winter 2011: Tron franchise returns to the dustbin of film history.
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It is the highest grossing movie EVER! That must mean it is the best movie ever! No way all those people swallowed a paper thin story!
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Jul 14, 2010 11:11:47 AM CDT
Still no mention of Pixar's Flynn's Arcade short before Legacy?
by ultratron
Ya know? I'd like to know if the antique videogame cabinets will come to life or is it the characters on the cabinet art? All I know is Ms Pacman is a little tramp.
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On acid.
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Holy shit! Are we time travelling into the past? Or can we call this the Pixar Effect, whereby filmmakers are finally learning the lesson that the Pixar folks remembered for the good old days: story and character matter most. I mean, shit, what's next, looking to screenwriters with talent? Giving filmakers with a vision carte blanch to put their unadulterated vision? Are we going to bring Dennis Hopper back from the dead and send him to South America to film the ultimate movie -- oh, wait . . .
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Jul 14, 2010 11:18:00 AM CDT
It's too bad every nostalgiafest sequel to mediocre flicks
by djangoilbastardo
...can't receive the same attention.
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Let's face it, beyond being technological achievement, the firt Tron had everything wrong with it that we complain about in modern blockbusters - all glitz, no soul. A reboot (as we call them now) is perfect for this series, just as it is for Disney's other lackluster sci-fi epic The Black Hole. (I was just babbling about this on another threat). Find the disappointments of the 80s and remake/boot/sequalize them! There's almost as much potential there as filmmakers will find in the 2030s, looking back at the 2000s.
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I don't threaten in regards to Tron
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Who cares? Spielberg has been producer on the two Transfomer films and we still got two flaming Optimus shitpiles even with all his experience. I'd at least expect that he would smack Mikey's hands with a yardstick from time to time and tell him NO. Or at the very least cut his coke supply off...
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Too bad these guys weren't around Disney around 1981, because the original movie is a confusing mess, unwatchable if not for the performances and visuals. The fact they have to tailor the screenplay AT THIS POINT in production means they did it again.
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Jul 14, 2010 11:28:12 AM CDT
Did Lucas ever seek an outside opinion for Phantom Menace?
by skinjob69
If so, either: 1) nobody gave him an honest opinion, 2)the advice he got sucked, or 3) he ignored any good advice.
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First, sequel to TRON, automatic awesome points. Additional points for being an actual sequel and getting Jeff Bridges. Then this whole braintrust thinger, which shows a great deal of care for the property. THEN finding out Daft Punk is fucking doing the fucking score. WHAT THE FUCK HOW AWESOME CAN ONE MOVIE BE?!?!Seriously. This may be the best movie of ever happening right now.
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that the current cut of the film is flat and liveless. And for the above poster who asked: Yes, Lucas asked Spielberg's opinion for TPM, who said it was the best in the series (go figure...It's as baffling to me as Scorcese ranking Heat way up there)
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I've been waiting for all year. So far the year's been pretty shitty.
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THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING CASTING DECISION, ALTHOUGH I GUESS HE DOES HAVE THE BUILD FOR IT...
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with the exception of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I can't recall any other films that had re-shoots that were good. Wolverine and Fantastic Four are a couple of many re-shoot examples.
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glad he's not being allowed anywhere near this movie.
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when's the last time he made something worth mentioning? The fact they are asking the Pixar folks says a lot about their reputation.
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Tron is the first major work for its rather inexperienced director.Its impossible for him to have ego.fear and anxiety yes but no ego,he has not yet made the next Titanic you know.
He did a very wise thing to seek outside help if he feels that his film needs a bit of input from more experienced directors in order to make it even better.kudos to him i say. -
bouahahahaha.ok.one word of advice: dont dare to watch movies made by David Lynch never in your life.
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They are very common and don't portend doom. Any film that shoots for month after month SHOULD need some finishing work. Be worried when you hear of a film that does not have reshoots.
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The first movie doesn't make (or even tries) to make any sense. They're in a computer.. fighting. Stuff.
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We'll just have to see if the story is even worthy of making into a beloved film's sequel.
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When I saw a teaser trailer a couple of weeks ago, I thought to myself, "Wow. They really haven't improved upon the original. This isn't mind-blowing." I think a lot of it has to do with there being too much of an emphasis on grounding the art direction in the real world. I know that's popular nowadays, but for crying out loud - it's the universe of TRON! It's supposed to be the inner workings of our computers! Why try to make light cycles look like they have actual parts that can be smashed? Makes no sense.
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well even if they are idiots, there's always the drop in picture quality when 3D kicks in to signal "oh...maybe i should put my glasses and see if it looks ok"
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Per some of the responses on this thread. Knowing when to seek guidance don't make you any less, man.
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Everything about this sounds fun and good. In this year of utter-crap sequels (IM2, Predators, etc.) and junk adaptations, this is looking, FINALLY, like something done RIGHT. Something which complements the original, but makes the most of what we have now.
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But because it's imported all the reviews are 4 months old. It pisses me off.
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Me too, from what I've seen. The Tron universe should be like those old school science and math book covers, full of colorful diagrams, interference patterns, spirograph spirals etc. If there is one good occasion to go gaga with your CG, it's surely Tron. The stills I've see looks more to me like a futuristic sequel to the Fast and the Furious, though.
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I'm getting more and more pumped about this each passing week.
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This is a perfect example from the convo we had the other day re: practical FX vs. CG. No way they could do this movie without it being a CG-fest, and it absolutely works. Can't freaking wait for this flick.
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I can appreciate the positive spin put on this but in the end it's bad news. You can't shoehorn improvements into a film late in the day, they have to be in the script from the get go.
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just curious.
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Truth be told, the original Tron is pretty flat too. But I still love it!
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even inception. Is the film I absolutely want to see. Asking for inut from other creatives is awesome. This guy was a CGI man first and those people, well online anyways like to share their work to get a 3rd person perspective, so they can tighten the loose ends and make it even better. There is nothing bad about this news. This wasnt a studio request it was the creators request. After mindsharing with other great creators.
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real world computer systems/and possible threats caused by them if there is a real world computer virus plot involved. Which I dont think is the case with Legacy. This Tron seem more like a through the looking glass story. Sam is Alice, Wonderland is the grid. Flynn is Goldilocks- The lost/imprisioned family member in wonderland. The son has to do something to get his father out, and he's either forced into the games, or chooses to play them while a plan is set into motion to free his dad.
As for the real world computer fear. Well lots of films involving computer viruses jumped the shark. Die Hard 4 was really bad, Computers cant do that, and they sure as hell dont blow up via a command prompt. The trippy visual audio'ish virus in transformers, The johnny nemonic visual like server system in Hackers. I hope the computers in the real world only display real things on screen. If it's a virus it should look and act like one would in the real world. I keep thinking if there is a virus or computer code plot it will probably be like the one in Sneakers. A decrypter that can break into any system and take control over it, or something like that, But again I don't think that is what Legacy is about. Sam is searching for his dad. He falls into the rabbit hole and the aventure begins. Is there a real world Dillenger like character like the last film. Who knows. I thought so when John Hurt was rumored to have a role. He has no credit on the imdb page for the film now. -
Jul 14, 2010 2:30:37 PM CDT
sansara07 is the Cameron-bashing troll formerly known as...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Nerd Rage Retard Strength. This clown will wade into any talkback and somehow link things to, and then bash, Cameron/Avatar, even talkbacks like this that have nothing to do with either subject.Sansara07, know that WHEREVER you rear your ugly head I will call you out. Every fucking time. Whether anyone else cares is besides the point.
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Jul 14, 2010 2:34:49 PM CDT
Sansara07 must have been raped by Cameron as a child..
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
but unlike Polanski, everyone thinks sansara07 was a deserving 'victim'.Remember, Avatar = $2.7 billion gross!
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Jul 14, 2010 2:45:50 PM CDT
I'm so looking forward to Avatar's Aug Rerelease
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
So morons like sansara07/Nerd Rage and Sir Bitch and Trannyformers can continue to bleat in abject helplessness as Avatar passes $800 million domestic and $3 billion worldwide...you know, as all those 'suckers' the world over once again are 'fooled' by Avatar's 'paper thin story'. It must be a trip to live in such nutso denial of reality.
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was Oren Peli. The berg convinced him to ditch Paranormal Activity's [actually good] throat-slitting ending in favor of the [stupid and generic] theatrical one.
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Love it !!
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but as they say, a camel is a horse designed by committee, too many cooks spoil the broth.
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...about the 3D only kicking-in when the 'TRON-universe' appears in the movie...That would be a really crap gimmick, and will cause a hell of a cuffufle in the theatres if everyone scrambles to put their damned glasses on DURING the movie!Just have it 3D from the start and throughout, for fuck's sake.
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I am so excited for Tron Legacy.
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You made the best comment today! If Cameron had done this, Avatar might have been more than a halfway decent movie....
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True Grit and Tron Legacy. I am geeked for December.
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is a big, steaming, hot glossy neon-colored pile of 3D brazilian pron-shit, piled high up atop the disney boardroom table. it could be =bigger= than (snicker, guffaw) "avatar" (and i like cameron, even "titanic").
but this'll be bigger. much, much, much fucking bigger... tripper look + 3D? check. oldbies + newbies? check. repeat playability? probably,=probably= check.
especially if they got fincher =and= pixar feedback in it, omg. can you fucking imagine? pixar should have gotten to make it in the first place, but nevermind... just the fact that they namedropped fincher on the "finding nemo" commentary made me think, "if they =ever= cross paths," some serious magic could be made.
i'll give black hole to k... spooky fucking vibe, i bet he could rock that shit. but 20,000 leagues... omfg, please, please, =fucking please= give it to fincher. fucking please.
in 3D, his first.
and for that matter, blackhole better be motherfucking in 3D motherfucker.
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that the entire tr2n should be 3D start to finish. i think an unfortunate decision, but - maybe part of the reshoots? i hope so.
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Because Whedon hates computers
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I got the soundtrack when it came out on vinyl and bought the special edition. Although I think I lent it to someone, but that just means I'll have an excuse to get the bluray version if I still don't have my own copy back by then.If I had my druthers, I'd like for a piece by Kraftwerk to be played somewhere in the movie, but I'm glad the movie's happening. "Ma-chine ma-chine ma-chine ma-chine ma-chine ma-chine..." Completely not happening, but funny to imagine: Cameo by Sark working in a pocket calculator as threatened by MCP, singing Kraftwerk's "Pocket Calculator".
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"Let's face it, beyond being technological achievement, the firt Tron had everything wrong with it that we complain about in modern blockbusters - all glitz, no soul."
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It's great that Pixar is helping with TRON Legacy. I LOVE the original TRON and I think it's cool they're having a TRON Legacy Panel at Comic Con. Cindy Morgan (Lora/Yori) will be there, but as of right now she hasn't been invited to the panel. I hope she is & TRON fans will be so excited to have all 3 original stars back together 28 years after the original was released.
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"The first movie doesn't make (or even tries) to make any sense. They're in a computer.. fighting."
Sigh.
What exactly is it that doesn't make sense? The only thing that really doesn't make sense when you think about it is that Ed Dillinger is regarded as a not-bright-but-sneaky guy for stealing Flynn's game programs while in his spare time he just happens to create a self-aware artificial intelligence program that can absorb others, incorporate them into itself and threaten the entire world. It would have made sense if the MCP were a smaller-scale menace, local to the Encom system.
The other things that are slightly contrived, or designed to have a very specific flavour to make the plot move in certain directions, are:
1. The fact that the "programs" actually operate more as semi-autonomous agents, left largely to their own devices to fulfil tasks in a goal-directed manner. More like declarative programming that imperative, and, again, suggesting a sophisticated AI as the mainstay of a computer program, which is not the case in the real world.
2. The treatment of programs as finite, uncopyable resources. When CLU is located by the MCP, Flynn appears to be unable to simply run the program again - it's as though only one copy is allowed to exist, that it's been sent into the system and has been captured/killed, leaving Flynn with nothing.
3. Related to (2) - the idea that the MCP must capture existing programs and use them as gladiators on the game grid. Again, finite resources. In the world of computing that we're used to, a program would simply run the same algorithm every time, without limits. An NPC in a game is not some kind of finite resource, ammunition that gets used up every time you play.
But other than that, it has lots of nice ideas. Tron is essentially assigned as a trojan or virus to bring down the MCP system from the inside. There is a subtle but certainly present time dilation in play whereby time inside the system runs much, much faster than time outside. The idea of users as de facto gods works well in this AI-centric world. And it's the first major attempt to depict what we would later call cyberspace. A film far ahead of its time. It would have been easy to make "a movie about computer games" - maybe that's what Disney thought they were getting - but Lisberger and co had much grander visions. -
Clearly Dillinger was very smart... he just didn't realize the full danger of what he had created. I'm sure in his mind things were still controllable... it wasn't until he was being blackmailed by his own computer program that he realized. The MCP has to be a bigger threat than just to Encom, otherwise we wouldn't fear the MCP ourselves as the audience.
The writer(s) of Tron take all of their computer lore and theory from mainframes. And remember that Flynn didn't lose CLU himself... he just lost access to the system and his ability to talk to CLU ( and presumably create another one ).
The idea of there not being able to be more than one copy, is of course flawed, but it has to be for the story, and for us to relate to the human side of the programs.
Your point (3) though... the MCP does not have to capture the programs to use on the game grid. He does it for his own amusement and to train his warriors. Perhaps he is "reverse engineering" their functionality. But we shouldn't get too hung up on this. At its core, Tron is a Fantasy movie, not SciFi.
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They do happen sometimes, and hopefully the advice is for structure and mechanics, not how to fix the damn story. Story should be nailed down first before the cameras roll. I'm not saying there shouldn't be latitude, just that a holy shit we're screwed reverse engineering should not be in order. I still have high hopes for this. Hell, yes, TRON is a fantasy! A actual cyberspace thing might be about as comprehensible to the layperson as Quantum Mechanics.
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Jul 14, 2010 10:14:00 PM CDT
Getting people who have talent to copy edit your film
by jackofhearts29
is not going to save a piece of mediocrity. That said, I am waiting cautiously and hoping this will be greater than the sum of its parts. I want something that blows my 40-year old mind the way TRON blew my 12-year old mind. Yeah, I know... it's a losing proposition....
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Get Brad Bird to do a live action Fantastic Four Reboot.
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things. And it turned people off.
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and I say: *breath* *breath* "I BEND OVER BACKWARDS WITH MY NUTS TIED IN A KNOT, YOU WHORE!!!" *breath* *breath*
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Jul 15, 2010 12:00:46 AM CDT
wait! jackofhearts29 said "that said" 4 posts above mine!!!
by billboefett
"That said" is taking over the planet!! and jackofhearts29, if you want something to affect like you when you were 12, go see Inception at a GOOD theater w/ a GOOD crowd (not a bunch of dumbass bored teenagers who don't know who Nolan is) at midnight Thursday night/Friday morning. Now, with that being said..
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chinese, japanese, look at these, dirty knees?
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The text on the screen reads: ILLEGAL PROGRAM CLU DETACHED FROM SYSTEM
Flynn says: "Busted again. That was my best program."
I always took that to mean the program was "arrested", and therefore Flynn did in fact lose CLU, in that sense. The monitor text never told Flynn he was barred from accessing the system.
I don't really have a point with this. It's getting late and I just decided to go full-on geek before heading off to bed. Goodnight, programs. -
Fincher? Lasseter? Arndt? ...BIRD!?! This... well this is fucking awesome. What a breath of fresh fucking air that filmmakers would put aside their egos and go to people with proven track records for input. And what that tells me is that they feel pretty good about the special effects so far, they just don't want them to be empty special effects *coughmichaelbaycough* They want the effects to enhance the story and not vice-versa. Who better than Pixar. So, long story short, this Encom badge of mine might actually be worth something someday.
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When this movie breaks records because of the collaboration involved... well, maybe you should think about that.
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I'm hoping the story was originally good,(Jeff Bridges, y'all!) but the special effects got out of hand and now they need to adjust the story because they wanted the FX to be bigger. Which it is now. They wanted someone who could adjust the story so the original story was intact, but it didn't end up like transformers. That's why Pixar is involved, they can do 'way over the top graphics' and still keep story intact.
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Tells you all you need to know.
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Why do you have to fucking SPIN THIS TO TRY AND PRETEND IS IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE: TROUBLE IN FUCKING PARADISE. We're not five fucking years old sitting at your fucking knee asking Grandpa to read the bones and tell us it'll be a great winter. I'd like Tron Legacy to work out but this is NOT good news and if AICN commentators can be fucking HONEST, they know that too. They just don't want to admit it, anymore than Harry wanted to print a review of COP OUT.
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Spoiler free, baby!!!
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I don't blame Spielberg. What was he supposed to say? "Reshoot the whole fucking thing, you fat fuck!"? And reflecto is right, this news mean there's trouble with the production, but everyone here seems to be in denial.
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Looking forward to this VERY MUCH. And if they're seeking advice, at least they're got the right people. And you just can't beat Pixar talent.
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I think this article missed the real point. If I recall correctly, the Pixar guys took over control of Disney Film Studios last year, following a string of bombs from Disney, and the end of Pixar's contract. The Pixar guys were threatening to go rogue, and Disney, sobbing and desperate to control their sole reliable hit-machine, turned the keys of the kingdom over to John Lasetter and Steve Jobs. Tron is the first huge budget film production to come out of the new Pixar-Disney regime. With expectations so high, there are literally BILLIONS of dollars riding on this movie. Shareholders are watching this movie very closely. There are going to be major tie-ins with Apple Computers in addition to the usual host of tie-in sponsors. If this movie fails, the merger fails. This is why the Pixar guys are reviewing the movie. They cannot fail.
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i think you are being a little dramatic, but very good point. i had only thought of the Pixar quality control rule to be in effect for animated films.
but it makes sense.
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That's a good point about mainframes. Tron was written and developed JUST as home computers were starting to become the next big thing, and maybe Lisberger et al were still thinking very much in mainframe terms. For those of us old enough to remember (ZX81 owner right here...) computers were called "microcomputers" or just "micros" until the mid-80s, because a "computer" was, as you suggest, generally thought of as being a mainframe. So maybe "boy detective" Flynn is essentially logging in at a remote dumb terminal and has no local storage area at all, therefore CLU can be taken away from him because it actually lives on Encom's mainframe.
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