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Confirmed: Edward Norton Out Of THE AVENGERS... And Pretty Much Every Marvel Movie From Here On Out!
Beaks here...
Boy, this escalated quickly...
On Friday, HitFix's Drew Mcweeny reported that Marvel Studios was looking for a new, "unknown" actor to replace Edward Norton as Bruce Banner in Joss Whedon's THE AVENGERS. At this point, my feeling, from what I was hearing from a couple of sources, was that this decision wasn't so much financial as it was based on lingering... discomfort after a... challenging collaboration on THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Yesterday, Marvel's President of Production Kevin Feige, in a statement sent to HitFix, seemed to confirm this feeling by stressing that this parting of the ways was not financial, but "rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members."
This didn't go down well with Norton's agent, Brian Swardstrom. At all. Here's an excerpt of his blisteringly angry rebuttal to Feige's statement issued via -where else? - HitFix...
"We know a lot of fans have voiced their public disappointment with this result, but this is no excuse for Feige's mean spirited, accusatory comments. Counter to what Kevin implies here, Edward was looking forward to the opportunity to work with Joss and the other actors in the Avengers cast, many of whom are personal friends of his. Feige's statement is unprofessional, disingenuous and clearly defamatory. Mr. Norton talent, tireless work ethic and professional integrity deserve more respect, and so do Marvel's fans."
Read HitFix's story for the full letter, in which WME's Swardstrom claims negotiations were, up until recently, ongoing with Marvel, and that Norton was excited about reprising his role as Banner after a very positive meeting with Whedon.
And, um, feel free to offer up your suggestions for Banner #3 - 'cuz Norton be gone.
Boy, this escalated quickly...
On Friday, HitFix's Drew Mcweeny reported that Marvel Studios was looking for a new, "unknown" actor to replace Edward Norton as Bruce Banner in Joss Whedon's THE AVENGERS. At this point, my feeling, from what I was hearing from a couple of sources, was that this decision wasn't so much financial as it was based on lingering... discomfort after a... challenging collaboration on THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Yesterday, Marvel's President of Production Kevin Feige, in a statement sent to HitFix, seemed to confirm this feeling by stressing that this parting of the ways was not financial, but "rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members."
This didn't go down well with Norton's agent, Brian Swardstrom. At all. Here's an excerpt of his blisteringly angry rebuttal to Feige's statement issued via -where else? - HitFix...
"We know a lot of fans have voiced their public disappointment with this result, but this is no excuse for Feige's mean spirited, accusatory comments. Counter to what Kevin implies here, Edward was looking forward to the opportunity to work with Joss and the other actors in the Avengers cast, many of whom are personal friends of his. Feige's statement is unprofessional, disingenuous and clearly defamatory. Mr. Norton talent, tireless work ethic and professional integrity deserve more respect, and so do Marvel's fans."
Read HitFix's story for the full letter, in which WME's Swardstrom claims negotiations were, up until recently, ongoing with Marvel, and that Norton was excited about reprising his role as Banner after a very positive meeting with Whedon.
And, um, feel free to offer up your suggestions for Banner #3 - 'cuz Norton be gone.
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They should have worked this out :P
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Actually, Rob Lowe jokingly expressed interest in the part on Twitter today. I actually think that could work.
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BIG WILLY STYLE!!!! AWW HELL NAW!!!!
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Jul 11, 2010 6:52:31 PM CDT
BANNER IS A BORING CHARACTER. JUST HAVE HIM BE HULK THE WHOLE TI
by gruemanlives
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Bana was in the better movie, forget that dumbed-down Incredible Hulk movie and bring back Bana for Banna!
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I liked Norton's portrayal of Banner, but I will try to keep an open mind for the next person that gets the role. I wonder if they will downplay banner and focus more on the Hulk due to this change. One good thing is the actors involved seem to be excited with Joss Whedon's idea for the Avengers, so I'm really hoping it pays off.
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Incredible Hulk. Bad decison Marvel.
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He seems to be climbing back into the spotlight lately and Banner is a perfect fit for him.
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Because that's a deliberately nasty statement that's going to hurt the film. No doubt about that.
Anybody ever hear of the quiet approach ?
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Be shiny, be a director, and stand up to the suits if you had a good meeting with Norton. But good God don't cast Michael Cera.
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Feige's turning into Rothman.
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Jul 11, 2010 6:58:57 PM CDT
Bana (again), Sharlto Copley, NPH, or just give Norton his $
by tall_boy66
I would like to see Norton again, I think this is a disservice to the fans and the "greater Marvel movie universe" they were trying to build. Really bummed out, HOWEVER, I think Copley or Neil Patrick Harris or just get fucking Bana again and I'll be slightly okay. But better with Norton.
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X3
Spiderman 3
Elektra
Blade: Trinity
With those on his resume I feel much more confident about him letting Norton go from the Avengers.
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Jul 11, 2010 7:00:43 PM CDT
Bana did show the "crazy an inch underneath" more than Norton
by tall_boy66
Regardless of the quality of their respective movies, and I did quite dig Norton as the scared scientist, I did buy that Bana could turn into a big crazy green guy.
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Sodapop Curtis (1983), Billy Hicks (1985), Benjamin Kane (1992), Paul Barish (1995), Decapitated Henchman's Friend (1997), Sam Seaborn (1999-2006), The Avengers (2012)
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Not a bad choice at all.
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Jul 11, 2010 7:02:09 PM CDT
Norton is nortorious a dick when it comes to ensemble casts
by redbull_werewolf
he's a diva and he has to be the star. He did the same thing years ago on itallion job, rumour was Paramount had to threaten legal action in order for him to finifh shooting. He's obviously doing the same thing here. Yes it does suck for continuity but it's obvious that Norton doesn't play well with others and marvel/paramount had their hands forced here
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His performance wasnt the problem with Hulk. I can`t say Norton`s take of Bruce Banner (which was fine) was in any way better than Bana`s. The problem with the character in the first movie was the heavy `serious` direction, not the actor`s ability. At least try to find some pseudo-continuity. Go Eric Bana.
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Why are people acting like Norton brought so much to the role? The movie sucked - we can all agree on that much. LL is inept and Norton had every chance to make it a great film - he couldn't pull it together even after all that BS he put the studio through. So fuck him! So many better choices and IMO Sharlto would rock the shit out of that role.
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of these movies, and approved the shitty costumes for Cap and Thor. He is the one who should go.
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Jul 11, 2010 7:04:09 PM CDT
Norton was basically forced into doing Italian Job, though
by tall_boy66
The deal is Paramount had him for 3 movies, he made 2 (I think Primal Fear, People vs. Larry Flint), and then dragggggggged his feet and then basically threatened to sue him unless they got him in a flick. So they picked Italian Job. I don't think he was trying to be the star, he was just forced into the gig. Avengers is different.
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"Hu hu, you don't wanna see me angry bro"!!!!!
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We all know what he's like when he gets angry!
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No, fuck you, it would be superb.
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I absolutely love this idea. Can you not immediately picture him in this role? If you can't then you suck penis. That's right. Penis.
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See what I did there? I don't get any Superman news, I start making my own.
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I seriously am flabbergasted that we're getting a new BB/Hulk AGAIN.
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Ya know what? I'd be fully behind that.
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I dug Incredible Hulk more than Iron Man (and was hoping for a sequel), and with them panicking and giving Cap to Evans at the last minute there's no real draw for me regarding The Avengers at this point without at least RDJ and Norton playing off each other. After the Terrence Howard debacle....which Marvel is only to blame for, Favs making the situation worse to the point where he's publicly belittling him to justify their screw up in paying him too much to begin with, and now this....they're quickly catching up with the Fox's shitty practices. Fuck 'em.
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Great idea, Doctor T!
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Norton as Bruce Wayne. Ultimate switcheroo. Norton's a better actor anyway.....they can take turns trashing lights.
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Fuck.... If what "Woodrow_Wilson_Smith" says is true above, and he produces
such a selection of shitty films
then I hope they don't fuck it up and blame Joss Whedon.....I'm bored with how lame Marvels films have been, in all these years I only liked X2.... -
He breathed REALLY HEAVY THROUGH HIS NOSE to convey anger and rage. That's poor acting.
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Jul 11, 2010 7:14:35 PM CDT
Just have the Hulk Creature in the film
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
who needs more whiney scientist BS. The Bana one was enough for a setup.
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I really enjoyed Norton's Hulk movie. This is a bad move....but to be fair, I've not got massive hopes for The Avengers movie. There's just too much backstory for each character to fit into even a few movies and I am thinking that there'll be too little time spent on each character - or too much spent on one or two characters at the expense of everyone else. I'm not sure Norton will be missing much with this one to be fair.
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"...but before we had come to terms on a deal, a representative from Marvel called to say they had decided to go in another direction with the part. This seemed to us to be a financial decision but, whatever the case, it is completely their prerogative, and we accepted their decision with no hard feelings."
So, the response from Marvel was completely unprovoked? A random, unmotivated, unaccountable act of contract abstractedness? I love the gloopy sheen of PR-speak.
Whatever happened, it would seem that "uncontentious" was not the watch word for either party.
When the stakes are millions and millions of dollars, with potential promise for more down the road, everyone's got to have the tastiest piece of the pie they can get. Hollywould, Hollywill, Holly frickin' won't.
A shame, whatever way you look at it, whatever the real cause, Norton's weary, love-ennobled Banner up against Jnr's cocksure ego-car crash could have been purty on screen chemistry.
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Wow, Browncoat denial knows no bounds, eh?
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I always gotta suggest him but NPH would be neat...only if he plays Banner like a promiscuous manwhore that he is
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And I'm freaking bummed Norton won't be back.
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Wow this is turning into a clusterfuck, and not making Disney and their new Studio head Rich Ross look good at all. Marvel needs to put out this fire so that it doesn't overwhelm their carefully-planned San Diego stuff -- there's a danger that this is all anyone will want to talk about. Feige done fucked up.
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Imagine that schnozz green and SUPER-super sized!!!!!
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you heard me. fuck him. that hulk movie sucking dong wasn't all ang lee's fault. bana was an AWFUL banner. losing norton now means not only no future hulk films (really? reboot #3?) but it means breaking continuity for the avengers? how is that a good sign. count me VERY nervous now about the avengers movie. i'll say this once: marvel, if you fuck this up like you did the x-men franchise, i will never go see another of your movies in a theatre again.
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plus he underplayed Banner to the point of being a wooden plank. But I don't think Norton brought anything special to the character and that coming from someone who pushed for Norton in the role. I say bring in someone new.
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Fox was to blame for that.
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And render an opinion. He always makes a point to avoid confrontation, and I understand that. But if he want to sit in the big chair like Cameron or Scott then he has to put on a pair of man's boots.
Does he want Norton or not? If he blows this film then his big screen career is going to take a huge dive. If he doesn't want Norton then man up and say so - people may not agree, but they'll respect him for having balls.
Nobody respects you for hiding in the girls shower when your daddy comes around.
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Ed Norton doesnt need this! Ed Norton will make his own Hulk movie!
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Nuff Said!
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I don't wanna see Norton go but if he has to, give Denisof a break, he'd hit it out the park as Banner.
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but I hear he's thin now
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Whedon should grab a mighty battle axe and take business into his own hands here
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Nuff Said!
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Read this line in his voice: "Look, you really don't wanna fuck with me."
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No Ed Norton? Forget this then. I thought the whole point of releasing these movies with Avengers tie-ins was to tie it all together?
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Don't care who is to blame. And considering past performance it could be either side.
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One less actor to pay.
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1. He needs to apologize for being an unprofessional, lying douchebag in his official statement. 2. He needs to hire Norton back, and give him the requested amount of money for publicly defaming him. Probably more so he doesn't sue.
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Now that would be the ish
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Suck it up.
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There ya go. Everyone happy? Can I have my Superman news now?
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Is Ben Foster. In fact it would take alot to derail his casting at this moment, he's the only one that has screen tested and he's Joss' personal fave. Marvel has set comic con as the deadline for all casting so this is coming down to the deadline and foster pretty much just has to sign the dotted line at this point
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Seriously, though... anyone else super concerned at the casting choices Marvel has been making? Pretty awful. I kinda want them to shut the whole thing down, especially if Iron Man 2 is any indication of things to come. The Spider-Man 'reboot' has almost already lost me. Time for Avi Arad to get out of the mix.
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Superman news?
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Minus the Doucheku heh heh
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Avi Arad's been gone for some time now, dude.
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He is indeed becoming the new Rothman. Don't act like you guys are innocent. You guys tried to lowball Favs, Jackson, and Rourke and they almost walked from IM2.Messing up casting (an uninspiring choice of Evans as Cap),Costume decisions (Ultimate Cap instead of 616 Cap and Biker Thor)and now needing to recast Bruce Banner for a THIRD TIME. What's the sense of making these solo movies and then a team movie if you can't keep the continuity.I HOPE FANS GIVE YOU ALOT OF SHIT NEXT WEEK AT THE SAN DIEGO COMIC CON YOU PRICK!
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But then I remembered how much I love sucking penis :b
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I'm glad he's gone. Please recast Liv Tyler as well.
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Key-master for HULK!!!!
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Do they have no desire to succeed at all?
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Whedons worked with them before. Why Not?
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Hehehe, Sharto... phew.
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he actually broke a story that was true!
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Mori, we hardly knew ye!
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if the choice is between two actors, one of whom is reputably difficult on set, then the choice of going another route is a simple one.
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There are tens of name actors and hundreds of unknowns who look and act closer to Banner than Fillion. I like him too but come on...
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Norton is a good actor but is he the only choice for Banner? That's silly to argue.
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I bet Marvel wanted Norton more than anything but the fact that Norton likes to control everything was to much to deal with. Norton is to blame. He even thought he could trick the fans into doing his bidding by stating months age he want in. It didn't work Edward!
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after IM2, Norton was the only thing I was looking forward to in the Avengers (and I liked Bana). It seemed like he believed in the material at least. DC should snatch him up and make him luthor, or even joker in the (inevitable) reboot
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Nuff said
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'Nuff Said!
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DC can't even get Superman and Batman's lawyers in the same room much less both characters in the same movie.
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Neither one of them would cost a ton of money and the have a good rep. with Whedon.
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Let's not get carried away now.
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Bana sucks in everything not just HULK. I don't understand how he keeps getting starring roles. He and Clive Owen are the most charisma-less male stars of the '00s.
Incredible Hulk is better than the Spider-Man movies, Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider & X-Men 3 combined. It had a good story and some fun action and that weird shantytown-on-a-mountain location that is actually real.
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Blame Nolan for that.
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Since this whole thing sprung forth into some kind of reality, I've kind of wondered how they would handle all the female love interests. Are they all gonna find themselves around a coffee table at one point, and be like, "So, uh, you're guy invented lightening...?".
Among the many things Whedon may deign to bring his best incarnation of, his patented Awesome Femaleness would be most, most welcome.
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Wasn't Norton the one who refused to help promote The Incredible Hulk?? How is that professional?
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Uh. No.
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Actually, Hulk is the boring character. It's Banner who makes him intersting.
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because there is like a 1% chance the Avengers movie isn't going to be absolutely terrible and silly.
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Sucked ass.
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...themselves willing to throw just about anyone under the bus at this point?
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they just need a voice
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makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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It's not really correct to put any blame (or credit I guess) at Feige's feet for the movies you mentioned, Woodrow_Wilson_Smith. Those are all films where Marvel (and hence Feige) were only involved tangentially, but the respective studios (Fox for X3 and Elektra), Sony for Spider-Man 3 and New Line for Blade 3) were the ones really calling the shots. Iron Man 1 and 2 and The Incredible Hulk are the only films Marvel has been in complete control of (and will be with Cap, Thor and Avengers), so those are ones Feige more truly produced and should be judged on.
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I was in a class taught by Brian Swardstrom a few years ago, and he actually brought Kevin Feige in to speak to us. They have a working relationship that goes back a long way, so I'm surprised that it got to this point. Also, Kevin Feige has produced just about every Marvel movie since X-Men, so I wouldn't think he'd be the kind of guy to go off half cocked like this. I'm guessing there's a lot of this story that's going unreported.
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good day sir!
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Norton is notorious for being a prick. Ben Stiller said on Howard Stern working with him was probably the worst experience of his career and he seems to get along with everyone. Norton refused to promote the Incredible Hulk because a scene got cut that he wanted in. He fought with David Fincher on the set of Fight Club because he didn't like the direction of his character. Norton threw his weight around on The Score eventhough he was acting next two superior actors in Brando and DeNiro.
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They didn't want to pay Mickey Rourke. They didn't want to pay Sam Jackson. And they did cast Norton in the Hulk, promising him he could have say in the script/story. Except they cut the film differently than they told him, and then gave him no credit for his contributions to the script. Maybe, just maybe, he had a right to be upset. And despite that, Norton never went public bashing Marvel. Conversely, Marvel went public bashing Norton. Unprofessional all around. Fuck them. I'm not paying to see another one of their movies.
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I give them the benefit of the doubt usually. That means they hone their craft. If you suck as an actor and are still an asshole, I don't know what to do with that.
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I find Norton incredibly talent (should have gotten an Oscar for American History X), but his ego has destroyed his career. The guy could be an A lister right now, but we barely hear from the guy anymore because no one wants to work with him.
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Robert Downey Jr is a great actor, but is he the only choice for Tony Stark? That's silly to argue, apparently. And I guess I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed TIH - good pacing, acting, good villains...
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Which is fine, but what a damn shame no Norton. He should examine himself and figure out why so many people don't like to work with him...if he hasn't already. Shit this sucks.
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Isn't it kinda silly to conjecture on possible actors if they're looking for an unknown? By definition we wouldn't know him because he's unknown and any name we did come up with would be a known actor.
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Actually, I don't care.
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He was fantastic in The Hulk, and the way the studio brass handled this was insulting and childish. I totally buy that Norton can be difficult to work with, but that was shitty on their part. My interest in this movie just dropped like an effing stone.
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we see a Hulk movie? I get the notion of an eventual reboot for a comic character, but this instant replacement of actors, every time, is insulting to the audience.
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Maybe Norton did something to deserve that response. He shit on Marvel by refusing to promote The Incredible Hulk because he didn't feel the film was good enough. Who knows what he did behind the scenes.
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by casting Bana, Sharlto, or Brody. All three of those suggestions intrigue me. I'm still pissed on Norton's behalf, though. That blows.
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Nothing but. If they fucking hated him that much, why were they even meeting with him? They would have just shut him out. If he was too expensive just say so FFS.
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Jul 11, 2010 8:10:47 PM CDT
DID MARVEL TRY ASKING NORTON TO TAME THE PRIMA DONNA
by bringingsexyback
You gotta at least try to work it out first.
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Branaugh came right out saying who he wanted to cast, and Marvel forced cheap, unknown actors on him.
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you can't have an unknown playing the part as the Hulk isn't an unknown part, he'll be an integral member. Brody would do well, or you could go a little leftfield and pick someone like Paul Giamatti or as above Sharlto? I'd still like Norton to be in there, ok the guy maybe an arse but he's passionate about the character and it needs someone whose into the Marvel Universe to make Banner work.
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Pluck some dude off the street, he could play that part.
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Cutting costs dramatically.
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Kevin Feige is also credited with producing more than the failures you listed:
Iron Man 2Punisher: War ZoneIncredible HulkIron ManFantastic 4: Rise of the Silver SurferSpider-Man 3X-Men: Last StandFantastic FourMan-ThingElektraBlade: TrinitySpider-Man 2The PunisherHulkX2DaredevilX-Men
He's had a hand in almost all of the comic movies.I don't like the decision to axe Norton, and obviously Feige's track record is tattered, but you cannot credit him with only the failures. -
Who should get the role of Banner? How about one of the following?
Mark Ruffalo
Joseph Gordon-Levitt
Eric Bana
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Jul 11, 2010 8:12:46 PM CDT
steve buscemi as bruce banner as we read in the ultimates...
by nickbeta
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Jul 11, 2010 8:12:52 PM CDT
SO NORTON UNDERWENT GAMMA RADIATION INFUSION FOR NOTHING
by bringingsexyback
He should've demanded a 2 contract deal.
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There could be a number of reasons why they met with him. Maybe they thought they mended the bridges since Norton blew off promoting The Incredible Hulk. Maybe they went to him with a number of conditions he was to follow if they were going to even entertain bringing him back. Maybe they went through the motions just so they could tell fans that they tried to bring him back, but couldn't get a deal even though they had no intention of bringing him back.
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Can't wait to see the nose shrink during the transformation.
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But after Predators he's actually pretty badass now, and I don't want to see him as a wimp again. Norton #1, Bana #2 (just for continuity with either of those. I'm fragile), Copley #3, Neil Patrick Harris #4.
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the dude needs to reign as Mr 4th of July, right?
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I know I'll get some shit for choosing him but he consistently delivered some extremely awesome moments in the X-files. He has the chops to pull off the emo side of Banner and his dry delivery might make for good chemistry with RDJ and Sam Jackson. Think about it Marvel, he's a known quantity.
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Seriously, say the movie is 2 hours long. How much screen time would Norton get anyway? 15 minutes? 1/2 and hour? It isn't a Hulk movie and likely a large majority of the time that Banner/Hulk is on screen will be in Hulk form.
I'm sure this movie was going to focus more on Nick Cage, Iron Man, and Captain America anyway. More importantly how all the Avengers came together with no one character getting a majority of screen time.
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Look at him.
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....he kinda looks a bit like norton. plus then you would have a guy with an actual sense of humor on the set.
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I didn't much like his hulk anyway.
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. . . there are dorks on here saying Norton is the deal breaker? That they won't see Avengers w/out his involvement? Give me a break.
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They'll be lucky to keep RDJ, Samuel L, and Evans in the same boat.
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there. i said it... someone had to say it
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hulk sucked. edward norton is getting too big for what he really is...a deniro clone.
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If you have a job, and you do pretty good while on the job, but constantly butt heads with your employer, leave the job, and then try to come back, there's very little chance they're going to take you back, because you might have been good but you're not worth the headache.
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That the implication was that he wouldn't or couldn't work with the other actors. However, his vision for the character obviously conflicts with the studio's vision. Not debating whose vision was better, but they are going to do it their way, so he absolutely didn't fit with their "spirit of colsaborative effort".
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He is responsible for the original Buffy movie, which people seem to forget. And I pretty much loathed the Buffy and Angel shows, but the dude worked on the Toy Story script and made Firefly/Serenity. So he gets a pass from me.
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a rather large factor in me watching the movie in the first place. Pushing him out is... unwise. Bana's Banner was shiteous - as were most of his gigs in the near past -, so better leave him out. Alternative: nobody comes to mind right now. But I'm sure it will be some cheap youngster who will do exactly like he's told.
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Was the board like this when that movie came out? I find it a little hard to believe... aren't there worse movies out there for geeks to be hating on then the best installment of a Sam Raimi-directed trilogy half-responsible for the comic movie resurgance?
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My bad...
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Sam Raimi doesn't fit with Marvel's "collaborative spirit" and will be replaced with the cheapest bollywood director we can find.
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If they want this to be a living, breathing universe, they're going to have to recast everyone at some point. Each actor will only be able to pull off the part for so long. That's one reason it could be argued these movies all should have just been digitized to begin with rather than live action.
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I think you have to imagine what the Hulk looks like after you put him through the Brody-fication CGI Process™. The nose would be enormous! I'd like Norton back, but it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen. To those that suggest it, Whedon is just trying to get through this movie so he can get some mojo going, he's not rocking any boats. I'm a huge Whedon fan, but he just doesn't have atudio-course-altering pull in Hollywood these days, maybe he never did.
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I can't wait to see what early 20's, Disney channel "trained" actor you get to replace the nearly peerless and infinitly talented Edward Norton. I'll be laughing my ass off when Thor, Captain America, and now The Avengers tank or do dismal box office. And I thought the days of Elektra, Ang's Hulk, Daredevil, and Ghostrider were a thing of the past. Not with Kevin Faggy and his bitch Avi Arad at the helm of Marvel's films.
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should be publicly executed?
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Please Marvel. Bring Norton back.
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Why not a CGI Ed Norton? They could show Banner only on monitors with a lot of static, in the shadows, and so on. Then they just need to get some voice imitator and there you have it.
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Not at all. That said, I really am not sure the Avangers Movie is in the right hands. Whedon's talent, as I perceive it, lies more in tv series than on the big screen. His movie works seemed mediocre and much weaker than his work on tv series.
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...but damn I need more Danny Trejo!!!!!
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You know, the one nobody wants to work with but is incredibly talented. If you decide not to use one of his ideas he storms off or sulks in the corner. He tells everyone how to do their job, even the team lead, and then blames others when they don't work because they did it wrong. He'll rant and rave, wasting time (which as we all know is money). Ben Stiller, who seems to get along with everyone, can't stand him. He argued with Fincher. For cryin out loud word is he was more difficult than Brando on The Score! Even Paul Giamatti gave him the old "well he's called difficult because he cares so much" complement, as if being difficult is the only way to show caring. Frankly it's at the point where very few people want to work with him. Which is a shame, because he's possibly the best actor of his generation. The 25th Hour is an indispensable film and he gave one of the great performances of the decade in it.
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She's half the prima donna Norton is.
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Why couldn't Marvel sever ties with Norton with a nice diplomatic spiel about "creative differences," and ho they "appreciate Ed's enormous talent," but "decided to go in a different direction."
Then they could have "wished Ed well on his future project," blah, blah, blag.
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You know, cause he's a movie star and he could totally pull that shit off if he wanted and they're all like "That mutha fucka fucked up where I buttah my bread! Now my bitch is all wrecked and torn up fron Norton stank!!!" So they fired his ass.
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Jul 11, 2010 8:55:31 PM CDT
Still not giving up hope that Marvel will come to their senses!
by peoplecallmethebriman
Bring back Ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Norton probably wanted full on star money to show up in a 3 minute scene at the end or something.
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You heard it here first.
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Jul 11, 2010 8:59:17 PM CDT
i always thought ROBERT DOWNY JNR would been great as Bixby Bann
by cartmanez
he looks alot like Bill Bixby - itd have been great seeing him with the white eyes...
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It would be a nice little wink from Whedon to the buffiverse, since Weber's Ben was pretty much Banner to a sexy blonde Hulk. You don't need a great actor for Banner in an Avengers movie, since he'll probably get 5 minutes screen time, tops.
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Jul 11, 2010 9:00:48 PM CDT
Norton should curb sandwich the douche bag who made this decisio
by chewyou812
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Jul 11, 2010 9:01:10 PM CDT
re: blunted666 you forget geeks eventually hate everything
by larry of arabia
Spiderman (weak!), Star Wars (retroactively ruined!), Lost (ending!), Battlestar Galactica (ending!), Metropolis (silent!), Steven Speilburg (what have you done for me lately!), all musicals (people don't sing!), black and white movies (life is in color!), Mike (Joel!), Joel (Mike!), women (scary!), rainbows (it's just light refracted into the visible spectrum, duh!)... I'm waiting for the official Lord of the Rings (Too long!) hate to start. I give it about 5 more years.
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Who could be a better Banner then Joe McQueen from:
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Iron Man 2 was the most uninspired POS I've seen in a long time. Not good, not REALLY bad either, but just a total cash grab. And this is coming from someone who thought the Dark Knight was grossly overrated. Norton's Hulk might be the best movie Marvel has released in over 5 years. I thought it was (just barely) superior to the first Iron Man. It's a shame. I'm sure Norton is difficult, but Marvel just screwed up big time.
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Where have you been Larry? I am waiting for the Dark Knight and Avatar hate to begin. Which should be soon. The latter probably will start when John Carter of Mars comes out and the geeks all re-read the original books and realize how much Cameron ripped off from Edgar Rice Burroughs. ("inspired by" my ass).
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Jul 11, 2010 9:05:58 PM CDT
No matter the spin by Marvel they look like assholes!
by hollywoodhellraiser
If this movie wasn't fuck before well it is now!Bad press and those who respect Norton as an actor will not be on Marvel side!
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Hey, it works for me
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I don't need any trace of Leterrier's Hulk in the ongoing Marvel movieverse.
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Bruce Banner was going to be in the vengers movie for all of 5 minutes. The rest of the movie he will be in Hulk form, which will not require Ed Norton's -- or any other actor for that matter -- services. If Norton isn't in the film, they may not even need to reoplace him, frankly. They could just write the Banner parts out of the movie altogether.
So, pparently, the movie will now "suck" because it has all of the ensemble cast who originated all the other characters in the film -- but not Ed Norton who plays the human verion of Hulk?
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And Norton was mediocre at best in it. Deep down you know it. Get over it.
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Jul 11, 2010 9:11:26 PM CDT
Patrick Stewart:"you wont like me when i can see your belly'
by cartmanez
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Hammmmana,hammmmana,hammmmana, they farked you up the @##!
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...that was nicely set-up in the last scene of 'THE INCREDIBLE HULK' reboot with Robert Downey Jnr. then!Oh well, that movie could've been a lot better anyway,and I wasn't particular impressed with Norton's 'Banner' either. And 'The Abomination' WOULD have looked good if they'd given it the ears and scaley-looking lips and brow. Why can't any of these assholes actually reflect the beloved comic-book designs a little better in the first place?Still, all they need to do now is NOT bother re-casting 'THE HULK's alter-ego yet again...and JUST GIVE US THE HULK IN ACTION!!!Who wants another insipid 'Banner' again anyway? Not me. I want 'HULK SMASH!' all the way, if he's to be the 'big bad' that the Avengers have to tackle.And while we're at it, can we just have Captain America in masked-mode only too, and NOT see Chris Evans without it...so that I can pretend that Cap ISN'T the 'Human Torch'!And we can even get an appearance from a costume-only Spidey in the sequel, with no need to show this new imposter who supposedly is meant to be Peter Parker.Fuck these disposable alter-egos, and just give us the HEROES in action without them!
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Jul 11, 2010 9:13:08 PM CDT
Is anyone else starting to think "spectacular implosion"?
by discogodfather
Just wondering...
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Bummer. Just don't get Eric Bana back.
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I attended a screening of "The Painted Veil" and Norton spoke afterwards. He is without a doubt one of the most intelligent and serious guys around, and, my impression is, he doesn't suffer fools lightly. It's probably not a coincidence that when he works with Spike Lee or Fincher, you never hear about him acting up. But when he works with hacks and prima donnas like Louis Letterier and Tony Kaye, you hear about him trying to take over or being belligerent. Give the guy props: it sounds like he cares about the final product, and probably just wants the guy supposedly in charge to care as much. That's my take.
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and either wave or give his fee to some charity
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He's an amalgam of Frankenstein's monster and Dr. Jekyl and Mister Hyde.
I always groaned whenever the comic books I was following had the hulk show up in it. I knew it meant a bunch of lazy writing and a lack of creativity. The hero of the book I was reading would have to deal with the Hulk in some manner. Take pity on him in the end, and watch the Hulk bound off into the sunset.
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You are incredibly and unfortunately accurate.
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You really gonna tell me they didn't clash? BTW Spike's quotes about Miramax in Peter Biskind's "Down & Dirty Pictures" are priceless. "[Harvey Weinstein] told me he edited 'Pulp Fiction.' Point-blank, 'I edited Pulp Fiction.' He probably edited 'Citizen Kane' too, right?"
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Okay, another suggestion. I saw him in 'The Road' last night on blu. Great film. Probably the most depressing film of all time. If it were a rock album it would be Springsteen's 'Nebraska' — that's how depressing and good it is. After seeing that I know that Viggo, without question would be able to do Banner. He's one of the best actors out there with great range. Check that one out and Eastern Promises — one of the best films of the last decade.
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As long as they don't try to end the movie by claiming Hulk is dream of purgatory.
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...as I'm not about to read all that. But since this is essentially the 'Ultimate' version of the Avengers.... it would only make sense to cast who the Ultimates themselves suggested in one of the earliest issues...... Steve Buscemi
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Should have acted like adults and kept the words between each other. It takes two to tango. Both of them just had to talk. I knew Nortan was gone after the first film came out. All th etroubles behind it were pasted all over the net for everyone to "Marvel" over. Keep the laundry off the line. Talking abou tit to the world at large wont make it better, more thna likely only worse.
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studio execs are always furious when they catch that weasel slipping his dick in their buttholes. "WTF Edward! thats my asshole you poking at!!!"
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this story of him being a royal pain in the ass to work with has been repeated far too many times to not be true.
As saddened as I am to see him go, the character of Bruce Banner is just not that pivotal to the film's success.
I'll be on board with any quality actor in the role, and would absolutely love to see Eric Bana come back (which I doubt will happen), or John Cusack's take on the part. -
guy off heroes or urban - im callin it bitches
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With the Avengers film they got rid of the problem beforehand, namely Norton. Whether it will succeed by itself remains to be seen, but that Feige statement, however true, was a mistake. Now Ed Norton can run butthurt to the geek sites again and whine about the loss of his creative vision a second, third, eighth time.
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can the Avengers kill him at the end?
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You know this to be true.
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to Hitfix so's I can reads the rest of the this man baby duke'it. From now on- studios, actors, directors, producers and any other people involved in film. Dont talk shit on the net, hoping it will explain things. All it's going to do is make you kick yourself in your own ass. I bet nortans so pissed that he will kick a geek in his face if he comes up to him with a poster or a dvd or the movie for him to sign. I'm serious. Hulk never happened in Nortanworld. It never happened. Don't remind him or yiou will suffer.
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to paint Mel green and let the Black Panther murder him on live television?
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though i'm supremely disappointed that Norton won't be returning, Sharlto would make a great Bruce Banner. his character in District 9 was very Banner-ish, playing the wormy guy who suddenly finds himself running for his life, struggling with a monster within, and just wanting his normal life back. as for Norton, maybe WB/DC has a character he can play...
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I like norton as banner. The movie on a lotta of levels was alright and bad on others but I wanted to see norton in avengers......just bummed that this may not come out good. Guess we'll find out soon enough
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Why not get someone like Anton Yelchin or even Toby MacGuire. I think that this is more along the lines of Toby's nerdiness and age level anyway.
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...would probably do well in this role. Besides, he works well with others...unlike the Ed "thinks he's God" Norton.
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Common fucking sense people, the entire reason for re-casting Incredible Hulk was to distance the movie from Ang's Hulk, bringing back that first cast would be moving in an awkward and opposite direction!
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Common fucking sense people, the entire reason for re-casting Incredible Hulk was to distance the movie from Ang's Hulk, bringing back that first cast would be moving in an awkward and opposite direction!
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Jul 11, 2010 9:27:08 PM CDT
IRONICALLY, NORTON IS HANDS-OFF AND EASYGOING AT HOME
by bringingsexyback
Of course this news doesn't ease the pain for his co-workers, but at least it gives us an understanding of the man.
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and since no one saw "The A-Team" this would be seen as his breakthrough into mainstream blockbuster territory.
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Buffy? Serenity? Give me a break.
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I think he'd do a fine job. Seems like he'd be a good choice for a number of Marvel characters, but Banner would be a good one.
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now there's your puny Banner
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Norton to Hulk the fuck out, because as others have said they don't need Norton in the movie. No they need the Mean Green Fucker who yells and smashes the shit outta stuff. NULK SMASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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I don't care anymore
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Hahaha.....maybe a pack of black panthers......Gibson is a joke. I hated passion of the Christ ......everything will be reveled in time.... Me must hate that saying!....hehehe
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Every movie he has been in, he has has been at least rumored to be a problem from American History X to Incredible Hulk. And people are blaming Marvel? Norton doesn't guarantee box office since he has never had a major hit. You put up with an ass like Michael Bay because he is box office gold even if he produces shit. Norton hasn't had a real hit his entire career.
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Meh, who cares about Ed. He's a talented actor and all, but in real life, he's a dick. Fuck him.
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Yeah, that's the spirit!
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He has also written for actual Marvel comics over the years (Astonishing X-men), so he already had a connection to Marvel.
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Norton and David Fincher fought like crazy during the filming of Fight Club. Norton's antics on that film were notorious.
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I mean what else do you need to know? I have never heard of an actor coming in and taking someone else's job(writer) because he thought his ideas were better. I respect Ed a great deal as an actor, and he's one of the best..but, he overstepped his bounds.
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There are dozens of heroes and villians associated with Avengers. No need to ham-fist the Hulk in there. He's obvious not much of a box office draw.
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Jul 11, 2010 9:36:07 PM CDT
They should just get the actor from the Ang Lee Hulk.
by ooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuutttttlllllaaaaa
Haha... and also get rid of Liv Tyler and bring back Jennifer Connelly while they're at it.
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Iron Man 2 should have been a slam dunk, but it was utter trash, bad in every way the first film was terrific. Suddenly Marvel's film approach, which seemed to glow like gold after IM came out, looks hit-and-miss. The ship needs to be righted, and firmly, with Cap and Thor. Which will be the two hardest to get right. Whew.
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We're here for ya Norton, we wanted you back, so what if you have some scuffels with IH, thought you did great, fuck you MARVEL you pole smokers, you better not get Eric shithead Bana back. Fuckers. I love IH and now Marvel just fucked with it. Now I'm kinda glad Sony still has the rights to Spidey.
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We need someone who actually looks like a nerdy scientist, and not some god damn meat head with a ripped body.
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as rumored, Nerd Rage, Banner hulking out is set to be the baddy.
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Jul 11, 2010 9:38:46 PM CDT
Yeah, Eric Bana, that's his name.
by ooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuutttttlllllaaaaa
Just looked him up on Wikipedia and... he's one of those guys who's been in everything but you never know his name...
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Cast some sperm and ova!!
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Jul 11, 2010 9:41:51 PM CDT
If you really think they should bring back Bana, shoot yourself
by industrykiller!
Seriously what kind of backwards imbecile are you? He was bad in the role, period. It's not even a subject worthy of substantial debate. if you can't see how flat and completely unable to emote he was then, I dunno, take a fucking acting class or something and attempt to understand the craft. That's all I can even say for that level of wrongness.
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It's a role Marvel already swapped out on us. Because what- the hulk dogs and Nolte were too much. That hulk was a fucking bad ass. Nolte was a better villian and more scary and unearving then a super weapon soldier. The other hulk didn't really do anything until the end and it wasn't a very amazing, not for me anyways. Was the frog hop shit that bad?
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Ed Norton was a Marvel Comics reader growing up as a kid.He understands these characters.I'd rather trust Norton's judgement than some hack writer who wrote X-Men 3.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I don't think you two have met...
Even if Norton is a complete ass, there is such a concept as "being the better man." It will be very interesting to see how this is handled at comic-con. A patch-up with Norton seems HIGHLY unlikely at this point, so this will be the elephant-in-the-room topic. -
...by the entire run of the original comic. Check out Avengers #1, bucko - the original one. Loki's the baddy behind the scenes, but Hulk is set up as the bad guy.Oh, and Ultimates suck.
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I think he would be a funny hulk. Imagine him warning poeple about making him angry. People would be like "Oh yes I will"
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Why don't you just kick RDJ to the curb too. Oh well, I hate Joss Whedon anyway.
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You miss the part when he was yelling and screaming out of his fucking gourd? That's not emoting? Jesus fucking Christ, I would insult someone named IndustryKiller! but the retardedness of that name pretty much seals how douchebagy they are. Read some goddamn comic books first before you think you know anything about the Hulk/Banner character.
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Shitpissfuckcuntcocksuckermotherfuckertits...fartturd&twat.
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I've been reading The Avengers since the early 70's, so I'm not interested in, nor do I need your history lesson.
I was simply pointing out the fact that the Marvel execs appear to be following the Ultimate universe playbook for this series of films and for the Avengers.
The Sam Jackson as Nick Fury casting, etc.
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This almost kills my anticipation for this movie. It absolutely matters who plays these roles and Norton needed to play The Hulk. He was f*cking awesome. Bana sucked.
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is fucking suspect in my mind...and as many have said...word is he is a world class douchebag.Sometimes no matter how good an employee is at their specific job...the trouble and bad vibes they cause within an organization makes them impossible to keep.
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That shtick is stupid and offensive.
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Only a 'suit' who has never made a movie would make such an unprofessional statement like that, publicly. Inexcusable. God, the current climate of professionalism is really eroding. It would be great if the other actors would stand up for Norton, but I doubt that would happen. In the end, Norton is just an actor, and he has strong opinions. They knew that when they hired him the first time. Even if it's because of Norton, there still is no excuse for Feige's rude statement.
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Jul 11, 2010 10:07:04 PM CDT
"It would be great if the other actors would stand up for Norton
by rob0729
They would, but they are too busy buying Feige another round for putting Norton in his place. I am guessing there aren't many actors out there who wouldn't say worse things about Norton than Feige did if they weren't so concerned about their own image. Ben Stiller has said worse about Norton than Feige.
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Is that what this is? Like that guy who reviewed the bootleg Wolverine movie. Schemers. Aren't we all.
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They should still get Norton back though! He did nothing wrong except want to make the best possible product possible!
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Norton was a great Banner, and you know what? IT WAS A BETTER MOVIE BECAUSE OF HIM. Norton insisted on certain changes and it was great that they went ahead with them, confrontations or no. Norton is an excellent actor and helped them craft a very good Hulk movie. Screw this jerkoff kicking him out.
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Billy Crudup, Alexis Denisof, Nathan Fillion, Matthew Fox, Michael C. Hall, Jon Hamm, Timothy Olyphant and Lee Pace.
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And I think you have some great ideas for Banner casting. Though I'm not quite as incensed at Mel Gibson as you are. :) More disappointed & saddnened, because I like a lot of his work.
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How was refusing to promote The Incredible Hulk that the studio sunk $150 million into helping to make the best product possible. Sorry, no matter how shitty you think the movie is, you do your part to promote it. There are a lot of people's careers on the line for every movie and they are not just the suits and big wigs.
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bring in mr. fixit {{grey hulk}}
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you dont want Norton?!? For who...Joss and Marvel can go to Hell!
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Blond bond goes Black, stops tounging men, and hulks out. I bet people would accept him as a step in very nicely. Maybe not the die hards but the general populace would.
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adrian brody.
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Jul 11, 2010 10:17:11 PM CDT
yeah, after playing well against type in predators, Adrian Brody
by ahdvd
They need someone who can act well and who you can see thinking, but who can also handle the physical demands of the role, he just did that brilliantly in predators, so he would be a great choice!
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...which of course is very rare in Hollywood... but honestly, could a large corporation say anything more revealing than "we want somebody who'll bend over for us without argument?" Especially when they've already traded Brian Singer for what's his nuts and Ang Lee for whoever the fuck and Sam Raimi for bite me loser. Marvel, your logo on a movie is a warning that a shitfest resides inside.
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This is not a Hulk movie. How much more than a cameo would Edward Norton really have? If Norton stayed on, do people really think the guy would be in the movie for more than 15-30 minutes of screen time? I could see being upset if this wasn another Hulk movie, but the movie would like focus on Nick Cage and Tony Stark anyway along with showing how each member came on board. It would not be a Bruce Banner movie. I don't get why people are so upset about an ensemble film where Norton's character is on screen a significant amount of time as a CGI animation and not the actor himself.
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Norton deserves a chance to reprise his role if he wants to and money is not the issue at hand. yeah, sure he can be difficult, but it's because the guy CARES about his work and the film. they just want a cardboard WB actor to replace him cuz they're pussies. fuck that. it's bullshit. Norton did a great job in Hulk. he is banner.
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I'd prefer Emerson ("You wouldn't..LIKE me..when I'm ANGRY. You guys got any milk?"), but they're both genius actors with a talent for playing meek-looking men who are actually twitchy balls of violent rage. And Cranston deserves to get any part he wants, in perpetuity, after his work on Breaking Bad.
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The suits never want to collaborate, they want a puppet and would stick their hand up the actors asses if they could.
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Can't really think of anyone in particular.
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I actually think Elijah Wood could be an interesting choice for Banner. I thought he pulled off having a tormented look in his eyes in the LOTR, really that is the most important skill an actor has to have in playing Banner.
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The real question is: Is he a bigger douche than Lou Ferrigno?
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Norton did do press for the movie. He was promised rewrite power and a say in how the movie went down. He wanted more back story and character motivation. Marvel just wanted a HULK Smash Car type of story.
Read about it here:
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The one syllable sentence Banner
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I'm sure when Ed Norton told David Fincher on the set of Fight Club "I will do the character however the fuck I want to", Fincher just pinched himself in joy for the collaboration. Sorry, Norton wants to force his opinion on others and does not want to collaborate. Marvel let Norton do rewrites on the Incredible Hulk script and even gave him a writing credit. I am pretty sure they bent over backwards for the guy.
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Particularly when playing the "everyman" type role, I've always found he and Edward Norton to share similar sensibilities in their mannerisms, delivery and cadence.
Norton is of course a more versatile actor, no debating that, but I think Mathew Fox would actually make for a better Bruce Banner, and he's most definitely a whole sight less expensive and demanding. But it really matters not, for as long as Joss "Weak Sauce" Whedon is figurheading this, it's going to almost certainly end in disapoinment if not total disaster. There's no grandeur or vision to his "paint-by-numbers" inept filmmaking marred in glib pop culture ejaculate and snide revelry. "My prediction? ...PAIN!" - Clubber Lang -
...all this Feige fucker has to do is recast ANYBODY as 'Banner' for the Avengers movie, but just make sure that the 3rd 'Hulk' reboot stars the same guy...and there'll at least be ONE 'HULK' movie that has continuity with how things look in the Avengers team-up.Just do a similar 'tie-in' cameo scene with Robert Downey Jnr. again, and we're all good to go!
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Yes, I remember when Leno read his written statement on the Tonight Show. Now that was a great interview. Sorry, Norton did not do promotion for the movie. He needed to go on Leno or Letterman and do the major circuit for a $150 million movie. "Selected press" is not promoting the movie. Part of Norton's job as a lead of a major summer movie is to go out and shell the movie everywhere.
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The Hulk is the star anyways. If you HAVE to have a celebrity use someone like Chiwetel Ejiofor. Maybe Clive Owen. Someone like them that can have weightier roles. I'd still prefer a no name.
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Here is a link to a bunch of interviews Norton did to promote the Hulk movie! Hell the man even did the Jimmy Kimmel Show. If someone refused to promote a movie then they would have done Carson Daly's show instead. ;)
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From the future
"...some argue that the signs that this movie would be a disastoruous mess came from hiring a TV director to be at the helm of this challenging movie, Joss Whedon was clearly out of his depth. To be fair to Joss, this was an incredibly challenging task to bring together this many diverse characters together, let alone the egos on the set. Marvel tried to reduce the burden with farewelling Norton, a well known ego, but this seemed to have made little impact.
Whilst the film was a complete mess, Whedon has taken most criticism for chosing to have the Wasp played by Summer Glau as the main character and the character with whom the audience sees the movie through.
There was relatively little screen time for the "Big 3" in Captain America, Iron Man and Thor, with the Wasp taking centre stage as well as her love interest Ant-Man (played by Nathan Fillon).
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No one could have possibly really thought Norton would be in the Avengers movie, for multiple reasons.
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Sorry would help to post the link wouldn't it?
Ed Norton promoting the Hulk Movie!
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for the lesbian Banner
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If I remember correctly, he refused to promote the movie citing he had a trip planned to go to Africa right before the movie started and only did press after he looked like an ass because Nikki Finke outed the real reason why he wasn't promoting the movie. He still didn't promote it like it should because refused to until the last minute.
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It doesn't matter if he ultimately gave in and did some promotions for the movie. The fact that he initially refused hurt the film because shows like Leno and Letterman book weeks and months in advance. Jimmy Kimmel is funnier than Leno, but his ratings are not great.
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Marvel Studios dictates.
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With Whedon in charge Justin Bieber
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Justin Bieber look more like Ellen Page than Ellen Page does
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Marvel is starting to act like DC. Hope this isn't a sign of things to come, now that Marvel's owned by Disney.
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Jul 11, 2010 10:51:23 PM CDT
Tell ya what, I'll empty out my piggy bank for MEL GIBSON!
by the_genteel_gentile
No joke. 'Cause Mel's still the man, regardless. Nobody, I mean NO BODY, does crazy mad better than Gibson. Guess he pulls from experience, but so what? I don't judge people from a couple of agenda fueled hand picked pictures of a much wider mosiac. That's not my place nor my business, but I do support incredible talent and artistry, which Gibson possesses in spades. Most great artist are disturbed. If the ruin of Mel by entities within the media is successful, I promise we will have all been robbed of some astonishing work. I WANT MY MEL GIBSON VIKING MOVIE!!!
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-meddling like Bale.
Sometimes, wannabe directors get handed a dose of STFU Sauce.
Terminator 4 sucked btw-and so do actors who over step their roles as meat puppets.
Move along people-both the Hulk movies sucked.
That is all.
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General discomfort amongst the cast, crew, and suits will bring great tension to the role of Hulk.
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If I recall, didn't Disney hold off on taking control of any Marvel franchise until AFTER the planned Avengers film took place? Seems to me this is still squarely Marvel's screw up. Norton's got an ego, but he's got the talent to back it up and from the bleachers, it at least seems like he does what he does for the sake of the quality of the end result. It's too bad, as I think his involvement would have been an asset to the project.
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grow up retards.
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Fans who CARE should show Marvel how we feel by simply NOT showing up at their movies...and NOT buying their DVDs & Blurays.Seriously - I've said it before and I'll say it gain - if Marvel does not care about what us fans want...if they don't care about CONTINUITY...if they don't care about actually creating a consistent universe so long as they can a cheaper actor or an actor they can easily manipulate than WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS? FUCK CAPTAIN AMERICA...FUCK THOR...FUCK THE SPIDEY REBOOT...AND FUCK AVENGERS. I'd rather save my hard earned money and support a film company that makes solid films (not rushed shit like IM2), and doesn't jerk around talented actors like Ed Norton. And for the record, Sam Raimi, Toby Maguire and Terrence Howard were all fucked over by Marvel as well...I think that much is obvious now.
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I'm all for this
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They cast Scarlet McBewbs as The Black Widow
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So whatever input Norton had on the set, it didn't seem to hurt much. This is sad news.
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there is always an actor or actors who wants the movie to be all about them. The chaos of the Avengers has just begun.
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ruh oh.
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FUCK YOU!!!! He's one of our best actors that deserves another stab at playing Banner. If you don't think so, eat a dick!
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Jul 11, 2010 11:06:35 PM CDT
Two people were fucked over here: Norton & Whedon!!
by david_boreanez_cunt_hairz
Breaking continuity with actors/movies totally fucks things up for the viewer. Hope Whedon can pull this shit off.
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perfect casting right there!
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And his last name is HOGAN... thus bringing a legendary AICN meme full circle to its epic conclusion.
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That's really all I have to say on the subject. He was my personal 2nd choice for Murdock in the A-Team movie, right after Clifton Collins Jr. with Michael Shannon snapping at their heels. But what do I know (aside than more than Joe Carnahan)?
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I would love to see no one show up at this or any other Marvel flick but the sad truth is that come opening day everyone who said "fuck this shit" will be sitting there with popcorn in hand watching this crap. When it comes to Marvel, if people want to pull an X men Origins and put it online for free, I'm all about it. Shitty products of any kind deserve no money. In a perfect world studios should pay us for all the fuck jobs they've pulled and the hours lost watching sub par trash.
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This gag will be lost on the yanks!
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...that does the 3rd HULK reboot as well as features in the AVENGERS, then can we take both opportunities to totally RE-DO the crappy HULK designs that have been done so far too?Give us one that has quite a short haircut, a thick brow, and a prominent width between the nose and the top lip.I want something that actually looks like the HULK, and NOT like whatever fucking actor plays his alter-ego!
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http://tinyurl.com/26l3bov
And this netted her multiple movies
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Jul 11, 2010 11:11:58 PM CDT
When did Norton have a monopoly on Marvel superheroes?
by hardboiled wonderland
Seriously, he's just an actor, they're a dime a dozen. As for everyone complaining it'll break continuity with Banner -- gee, ya think they didn't do that already with Bana, or with Howard/Cheadle in Ironman? It's just a fucking superhero movie, for fuck's sake, don't get your underwear on the outside tied up in a knot. PS Here's a pic of all the talkbackers bitching about Norton being dumped: http://tinyurl.com/2fzkdvv
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It was the CGI. I thought the final battle was horribly rendered. But otherwise I liked the Incredible Hulk movie because of Norton!
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Jul 11, 2010 11:12:27 PM CDT
Peter Krause for Banner.........................................
by crackerfarmboy
Anyone who's seen Six Feet Under knows that this guy can flat out act.
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For everything. All the time. No matter what. Just to piss off his sycophants. (Joss-suckers?)
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A lot of the fans want Norton back as Banner...so bring him back! I mean, he wants to do it obviously and he's very excited about the oppurtunity so just throw Norton a little bone please!
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No, no, no. He's good, but what's needed first is a character actor who LOOKS LIKE THE COMIC BOOK VERSION OF BRUCE BANNER! Bana was pretty close.
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Plenty of wrestlers want to break into acting, they gotta eat too. CGI killed the muscle star.
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Hulk smash puny Banner.
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Yet other fans want Bana back as Banner. Which fans does the studio listen to? None. Which is why they're recasting so they don't have Bana fans vs Norton fans in bitch-slapping each other in line to the Avengers movie.
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I was really looking forward to Norton again as the Hulk. He did a great job as the Hulk. I have really bad feelings about the Avengers. Iron Man 2 sucked and almost everything I'm hearing about Captain America sounds terrible (he starts out singing and dancing in his costume???????? Wow that sucks)
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are done professionally.
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Bringing Bana back would be too confusing. Buscemi's getting too old. Adrien Brody feels too obvious w/ Predators opening this week (like some teeny bopper saying that whichever Twlight just came out is their favorite movie of all time). That said, I think he's decent for the role. If they're going w/ a "name" actor, Johnny Depp would be cool. Michael C. Hall would be good. Or else I say a real oddball choice like Colbert trying his hand at straight acting. At least it would be interesting.
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If Samuel L. Jackson, or Quentin Tarantino said it in the same context implying "rapist" before adding in the "N" as Mel implied it. No one would have batted an eye or cared. Ozzies are fucking nuts. These guys didn't bring any black folks to America. Therefore not the same "Ofay Cracka Whitey" that has held the black man down and mistreated him for so long.
What is the convicted rape ratio in America anyways? Who commits the most of these rapes. Whites or Blacks? Lets put the meaning into context here. He didn't say black rapist. He said N word rapist. Just because you call someone a mutherfucker, it doesn't mean they fuck mothers, more specifically their mother, so I think he was saying what he said with drunken slang. If not. Would a black man call a confessed convicted black rapist a N word. It's ok for black to degrade other blacks with the word, but as soon as it passes out of a white persons mouth. Armageddon.
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Jul 11, 2010 11:23:36 PM CDT
What's this about Wil Wheaton directing the Avengers?
by the_genteel_gentile
Oh!... Joss ...Whedon? Huh? Are you sure? Hmmm, ...yeah it's about the same isn't it (?).
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people actually went to see Norton in The Incredible Hulk. The Incredible Hulk made $2 million more domestically than Hulk starring Eric Bana. Neither movie made back their production budget domestically. And people are surprised that the studio isn't concerned with casting a no name actor in the Banner role especially since Banner will be a secondary character most likely.
People act like The Incredible Hulk was a box office success. The reason why no one puts up with Norton's crap is because he cannot open a movie. The guy has had two movies crack $100 million - The Incredible Hulk with $134 million and The Italian Job with $106 million (he was third bill after Marky Mark and Charlize Theron). He had one more make $93 million (Red Dragon which had the worst box office of any Hannibal Lector movie starring Anthony Hopkins). His last movie (Pride and Glory) grossed $15.7 million domestically. Where were all the Norton fans for that one.
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all day everyday, but it's ok. Double standards. Mel aint racist. Leathal Weapon Danny glover, and Thunderdome Tina Turner/ Gimme A break. He's a crazy fuckin Auzzo!
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They didn't care about Iron Man 2 either, and the non thrilling direction of Joss Whedon, zzzz.
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I take back the movies thing. I really liked the Illusionist, but I along with people on this board might be the only ones who saw it in the theaters because that grossed $39.8 million domestically.
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except he would insist on a 6 hour monologue
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Because that's what that pissy passive aggressive statement sounds like. Perhaps you learned how to be a professional from a coloring book?Again Marvel...feel free to wipe your ass with your shitty Avengers movie. YOU HAVE LOST MANY FANS ON THIS ONE. To anyone still willing to plunk down their money and support Marvel....let's see how willing you are to do that for future marvel projects when they inevitably RECAST someone you actually care about. Oh don't think it could happen? Don't think they wont turn around and get rid of your favorite? Well if you are a Bana fan - you already know the feeling. I REALLY hope Comic-con folks voice their opinions on this.
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At this point, I think we can all assume that there's basically no chance of Norton coming back. That in itself is upsetting and I don't think it's something that needed to happen, but how I feel about Marvel in general hinges not on who they get to replace him, but why they replaced him in the first place. I doubt we're ever going to know for sure what happened here, but for the time being let's take Feige's word that it wasn't a financial decision. Okay. So, that means one of two things (assuming that the information in both press releases is more or less accurate): 1) they were genuinely afraid that Norton's ego was going to sabotage the movie. Either he'd try to re-write the script, or he'd challenge the actors and directors and create a bad environment on set, or he'd be unhappy with the final cut and refuse to do promotion, or whatever, and one or all of these things would damage the film's creative or financial success. That seems unlikely, but they did have a rough experience working together during The Incredible Hulk, so I can see them being a little uneasy about trusting Norton again. Then there's 2): they were pissed at the way Norton made them look, and (contrary to wanting someone more "collaborative") they wanted someone who recognized his place in the chain of command. Then they fed us a line about team spirit and blah blah blah. The difference between 1 and 2 is that, even if they fucked up (in the case of 1), their heart's still in the right place. They want to make a good movie, and are trying to do everything in their power to make that happen. In the case of 2, they're putting a leg-up in some petty, egotistical dispute ahead of the quality of the story and what the majority of the fans want (that would be Norton coming back), which is pretty uncomfortable for those of us on the sidelines. If we're paying money to watch this stuff, I don't want to think that they'll fuck talented people over and hire obedient hacks just to show them who's boss (and then expect us to gobble up whatever crap they put out, which, sadly, is probably true). Even if Norton was/is a douche, they could have taken the high road and brought him back for the fans' sake. I don't believe that he needed to be gone for a good Avengers movie to be made; what's important is whether Marvel believes it. Because if they've started caring more about their own clout in Hollywood than the quality of the film, things are going to get pretty woolly from here on out.
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Yeah, it's okay for a black person to use that word, although I think it sounds pretty ignorant. But it's not okay for you or Mel Gibson to use it. I also don't think it's okay for Quentin Tarantino to do it either, but he's jut a harmless wannabe dork trying ineffectively to live out some kind of wannabe dork fantasy, and for whatever reason Sam Jackson and others indulge him. Anyway, get over it. If you haven't yet come to grips w/ the fact that Mel Gibson has issues, well, I don't really know what to tell you, other than find a more worthwhile cause to defend.
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After he's put on a little meat.
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and gotten a nosectomy
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He could pull it off.
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Or Zombie Coach? George Wendt reference. Priceless.
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Even in that scene is completely perfunctory. A shallow display of the shallow character Ang Lee directed him to be. Long bland scenes of dead behind the eyes punctuated by ridiculous "You wouldn't like me when Im angry" bullshit.And I've been reading comics since Iw as 9 years old, you'll have to do better than that ad hominem bullshit.
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of Scarlett Johansson? I'm sure that took some serious hours of Yahoo picture scanning. I'll wager she's still hotter in that pic than any chick you've ever fucked on her best day.
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Jul 11, 2010 11:44:23 PM CDT
Marvel has lost my respect, my support and my money
by fat_rancor_keeper
Good read Ribbons. I think Marvel is wrong however one looks at this.Norton wanted to be in Avengers.The majority of fans wanted him to be in Avengers.The stage was already set for this to happen in IM and the Hulk movies through their clear connections and continuity.That's that.Everything else (petty egos, rumors, gossip about who did what) should all be set aside for the better of the film and for us fans who are willing to pay for the product. At least I was willing to pay...I'm done with that though. Marvel has lost my respect, my support and my money on any future projects. I highly suggest anyone else who feels the same speaks with their wallets. Again just because you are either indifferent to Norton getting fucked over by Marvel or you just don't like him - still do not think Marvel wont pull this shit again with an actor you do like.
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and thats my soap box. Chicks on drink will fuck ugly ass guys. Booze makes people do some real stoopid shit. The man needs help, but jesus the words coming out of his mouth, you think that's the real him unfiltered. Granted he's a full grown adult who knows how he behaves when drunk. I wouldn't excuse his actions if they lead to someones death, but this is hardly that. He said some mean spirited shit in a drunken rage. What else is new. He's a mean drunk, and an alcoholic, who's pretty much been nursing the bottle since he was 12. My uncle gets drunk and says some off putting mean fucked up shit as well. Is that who he is. fuck no. Mel needs to go to A.A. meetings everyday for the rest of his natural life. And work the program, and the fuck paparazzi and group memebers needs to respect his privacy when he goes there. Easy for you or me to do hard as fuck for a celeb
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I'd rather have Marvel recast her role (because she was a horrible Black Widow) than Norton's.I wonder how ScarJo is going to act on the Avenger's set now that she's a Tony winner.
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Marvel, you ruined my childhood. You're evil. You hate the fans. You just want to make bad movies. You're too cheap to bring back Norton. Wah, wah, wah....I'll never watch another...not gonna get any more of my...sob...how could you do this...boo hooo...Seriously, I have no doubt that Marvel could and would have paid Norton's salary if they felt he was going to click and play nice for this movie. Surely, their bean counters had the numbers on Avengers at least somewhat crunched well before IH was even cast. Enough of the stupid conspiracy theories, and enough wistful revisionist history about what a masterpiece IH is and how amazing Norton's performance is or would have been if only he could have further controlled the filmmaking process. Barf, I say!!
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He is a talented actor obviously, but not a genius like he and so many of you think.
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Didn't Marvel announce they're looking for an unknown for the part?
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Here's some words out of the Bible that Mel would probably recognize: Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. I think it's clear that deep down he has some strange race issues, which is not to say that he can't be a good guy or that he is some kind of cartoon KKK Nazi. It is possible for a person to be kind, charitable, and even have meaningful friendships w/ people from other ethnicities yet still have some weird, ambivalent, deep-seated, my Holocaust-denier Dad put weird thoughts in my head when I was young stuff going on. I have been very drunk, and it has not prompted me to suddenly decide that Jews are responsible for all wars or some other insanity. I've read that Mel Gibson was instrumental in Robert Downey's rehabilitation, and I think he's also probably done lots of other genuine, good faith things. But he's also got issues. People are complex. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
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You KNOW how good it would be.
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Move on.
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good idea. I'll just skip this at the theater. I prefer to watch movies on my 60" TV at home anyway. It takes something extra to get me into the zoo the local cineplex has become and I don't think this movie is going to have it.
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I think when all else fails, Marvel can say that they are at least doing something with their properties.
DC by comparrison are a joke, with Batman being the exception. They have finally got around to making a Green Lantern movie, how about Flash or Wonder Woman. And they have tonnes of brilliant Vertigo series that could be made into great TV.
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No one leaves them the fuck alone! So when you have a well known celeb with drug or drinking problem seeking help. Well good luck. When i lived in Marshfield Mass. I used to get dragged to meetings with my parents as a kid. Some groups are set up to let parents bring thier kids with them and they send the kids into a play room. So the kids dont disturb the meeting. Too the point, Steven Tyler used to go to some of these meetings. Long time members left him well enough alone, but you always had a few newcommers now and again who just had to fucking take note that he was there. I never heard him once share a fucking story either. It wouldnt be wise. Celebs do not have the same simple fucking lives we do. Sure lots of perks, and lots of fucking sucks as well.
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Jul 12, 2010 12:00:57 AM CDT
Why Edward Norton is in the right and Marvel is dead wrong.
by industrykiller!
Lets remember creative freedom on IH was in Nortons contract. They gave him script approval and rewrite duties, two things, given Marvels open want for an exclusively action oriented film, that could not have possibly been a bad thing from a creative standpoint. Marvel then signed off on that script. We can all agree Norton is an obviously intelligent guy, and he's not going to write a shallow character that he himself is going to play. Now what he obviously didn't have was final cut. But when you campaign hard to rally an actor, so hard that you give him incredibly rare creative freedom in the pre-production process, you cannot be surprised when that actor takes it in good faith that you aren't going to cut all the stuff that he wrote out of the film. Marvel didn't have to give him that freedom, they could have just gotten a different actor, Norton could have moved on, and we wouldn't all be here right now have this conversation. But Marvel wanted to be in the Edward Norton business, and it seems pretty clear to everyone what that meant. It's not fair to write up a deal with someone and then renege on that deal on a technicality after the fact, which is what allowing someone to write a character and then cutting out a bunch of character scenes in post is. So until more information is revealed, and it may never be, there is not a single shred of logical evidence that Norton wasn't completely fucked here. ANd let's not forget we are now missing out on Robert Downey Jr. and Edward Norton, two brilliant actors,s haring the screen in a god damn comic book movie, we should all have been so lucky. but then again Im sure all the decryers are really banking on the Hemsworth-Johanssen dynamic being explosive *rolls eyes*
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I say Michael Clarke Duncan or Roseanne Barr for Banner. Seriously, Philip Seymour Hoffmann drops 30lbs, and I'm there.
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It's too bad the egos of Non-artistic forces are the result. I think he would've done well with Whedon and the gang, particularly since he wouldn't have to carry the film on his own.
I wasn't thrilled with the Norton Hulk film, but I was okay with it, especially after Lee's abortive attempt; and I say that as a genuine Ang Lee fan.
I've heard that Norton can be difficult, yes, but my impression has always been that it's not because of Ego or because he's a Diva, just because he chooses his projects carefully and gets passionately engaged. I think he would have done well with a second chance. I guess some people [Feige] can't stand to not have their way all the time. -
With these reboots and recasting, it feels a little like the early 90's when Marvel began spinning every book and every storyline into countless "options" for fans, that ultimately glutted the Marvel Universe with nigh catastrophic continuity and quality issues. In it's films, I'm beginning to get the same feeling that not a lot of respect is being paid the fan. Say what you will, but I think Marvel has an obligation to continuity and that requires consideration of the fan's investment in time and emotion to actors that will form bonds with it's paying audience.
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I could not have said that any better. Seriously I suggest anyone and everyone give that a read.
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That pic took a couple mins to find
Marvel cast the least athletic of the 20'ish actresses for one of the most athletic female characters they have
These movies are cant by knee jerk reactions and groin mounted divining rods
Marvel excs need to step back and let movie makers make the movies
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or pretty much every other Marvel movie from here on out for that matter!
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that is exactly right ..........speak with your wallet. We all know others don't care. That's fine, it is what it is. But really I suggest any true comic movie fan upset by this turn of events and any Norton fan do the same.Avoid Avengers and other Marvel projects as if they were Lady Gaga's crotch.
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When I sat down to have drinks with Ed Norton and Tim Blake Nelson at SXSW this year, before our screening of BLADES OF GRASS - Ed was not only looking forward to AVENGERS, he was giddy to work with Robert Downey and curious to see how the rest of the cast filled out. But he was seeming to want to do another HULK film with Tim Blake as the LEADER and full on super-science. Oh well. Let's hope they find someone great, and Marvel comes out of this smelling of roses.
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I think people are assuming the worst about Marvel, and that doesn't make sense. Surely, they know that people would prefer continuity. They know that Norton is a talented actor and it would be ideal if it could have worked out. Clearly, they wouldn't have chosen Norton for the Hulk if they weren't intending to weave him into Avengers--as someone else pointed out, it's not as Norton is such an amazing box office draw that Marvel just couldn't resist casting a guaranteed hitmaker. I think Marvel took a major risk casting Norton because he's a talented actor with real actor's actor chops, and because he probably campaigned for the role. They probably also misjudged the whole thing about giving him creative control, thinking it was going to just be this magical creative synergy, etc. Then Marvel learned (like others before) that Norton runs roughshod over anyone who doesn't know how to handle him and that he may have single-handedly messed up the film with his meddling and hurt its box office with his lack of promotion. To say that Marvel was just too cheap to pay for Norton does not pass the sniff test. And think of what a nightmare it would have been if you had him poisoning the morale well or slowing the pace of production with tons of takes or last minute attempts to steer the director or introduce new dialogue or whatever. If IH had been amazing and a huge hit, then I think it would have been a tougher call, but like I said, the movie wasn't successful enough or flat-out good enough for it to be worth risking the Avengers on Edward Norton.
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I agree...And moreover, where did his performance or his narrative suggestions that made it into the final cut, detract from the film?
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Interesting headgeek. Next time you get together with Norton let him know that many of us fans rallied for him and were really looking forward to seeing him in Avengers and future Hulk films.
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The real destructiveness and divisiveness comes from the hypocrites, whom revel at the prospects of brandishing brash generalizations on their fellow human beings with labels like "racist", who lend such antiquated words and concepts power and credence over people. I also don't believe in such a thing as "bad" words. Context is everything. We are, ALL of us, inherently prejudice of anyone and anything different than ourselves. And we'd gladly indulge those fears if not for the logic, reasoning and expierence afforeded us to rightly dispose of such trite ideas. However logic and reasoning are usualy at an all time low when in the midst of a meltdown. We're all human, we all know how that feels. Regardless as to whether we say the dreaded "N" word or not. I've always been of the mind that, albeit crass and not typically eloquent, any slur can be utilized when (WHEN) attempting to discribe a singular figure whom encapsulates the very worst features and stereotypes of a given race, gender or creed. If one embodies all the necessary requirement, I believe it, though ungainly and prehaps rude, justified in appointing them a correct moniker that illustrates their behavoir. Clearly rapists would likely be fairly low human beings and also incredibly poor representives of any given race, therefor being "raped by a pack of *beep* does srike me as a correct pronoucement. It actually shows a brillant free association presence of mind in the the throws of dispare and rage while grasping to purge every ugly notion that can be fathomed, to conjure up taboo imagry of generational racial fears amongst white women as the coup de grâce. Kinda impressive in a sad sorta way. Also it should be mentioned that Mel Gibson has been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) as well as full blown Alcoholism. So when everyone rushes to judge him, understand that he is grappling with a disease. What's more prejudiced; to say "bad" words directed at absolutley no one or to tear down a man for his mental problems?
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Do you really think that all this stuff about Norton being difficult is just overblown rumor, etc.? Because I know there are rumors and gossip, but I think in his case you have a lot of rumors and innuendo, but you also have some well-documented cases of him really alienating some people. Plus, I really like him as an actor, but I just didn't like him for Banner. I was there at IH opening night midnight showing and even paid for three of my buddies who were not too psyched for it but pretty much went to humor me. I sincerely wanted it to be good, and came out feeling like, "They had the chutzpah to reboot, and this is all they could muster?"
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Your argument is dumb.... You've no idea what your talking about!!!!
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Honestly. I'm not. I was really excited to see some Norton/Downey together and I don't even care who else, I really enjoyed Chris Evans as HT and pretty much everything else he's been in so that was just the icing on the cake. Norton is one of my fav. actors, if you guys seriously care about all the backstage rumours and other nonsense then you guys are a bunch of teenage girls and really need to unplug because that's all superficial BS anyways and deserves nobodies attention.
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I think we should definitely have compassion on Mel Gibson, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to portray him as an innocent victim trapped in the clutches of mental illness. Lifetime: Television for violent people who leave their wives to have a baby out of wedlock then hit the baby's mother while hurling racial epithets. Mel deserves mercy, but don't try to hand wave over (what seem to be) the facts.
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you'll notice in that rant when he couldn't get a rise out of her, he kept upping the ante
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they were spooked by the reputation Ang Lee's film had for being "too cerebral" for audiences. You see, when a movie fails, or becomes hugely successful, studio executives explain that off by taking one very base dynamic of the film and chalking it up to that. It's like after The Dark Knight became huge and the head of WB said that the new SUperman film should be dark because Dark Knight was successful because it was dark, the fact that it was a brilliant film, well directed and written, with amazing characterization and a tone that was perfect for THAT SPECIFIC CHARACTER, is totally immaterial to studio goons who have never read a comic book. Dark = good and hip to them, and that's that. Same with Ang Lee's Hulk, the fact that it was both taking itself so seriously that it's RIDICULOUS level of B-movie cheese shone like an exploding star mixed with uneven performances and painfully amatuerish psychoanalysis is not the reason people didn't like it, people didn't like it because it was "smart". They literally can't see that Ang Lee's smart was everyone else's stupid. Now Norton being of above studio exec intelligence can probably see the forest from the trees here and knows damn well the film needs some emotional grounding if it's going to be at all watchable, that's what he adds, that's what gets cut for all the aformentioned reasons. And anyone watching The Incredible Hulk can see that what the film needed was more Banner moments, more time to flesh out Tim ROths character (because he was EXCELLENT as Emil Blonsky), and more time to flesh out the plot and Im pretty sure an audience would have been more fulfilled sitting through another 20 minutes of all of that. Marvel apparently disagreed.
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Jul 12, 2010 12:28:01 AM CDT
they wont find another high class actor like Norton
by dioxholsterreturns
they will get someone cheap, like Charlie Sheen. lol
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I don't get it. Okay so you don't like Norton based on your bashfest or at least his take on Hulk. But c'mon be realistic. His lack of participation in Avengers and all the backlash that is coming along with it is worth it how??? We're going to end up breaking continuity on this key character for a 3rd time as well as recently established continuity. Even people on the fence should be pissed about this for that fact alone. You'd rather this movie get all of this negative buzz, go through this backlach from fans, have numerous people vow not to even see the movie or many other Marvel movies simply b/c Norton (as you've heard) is difficult to work with? At what point will the insane amount of negatives that come along with this crappy move register?
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Just get it done, Marvel. And done well.
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Loved the guy in Lost and Rescue Dawn. If they really had to go cheaper on a relative unknown, he'd be pretty good.
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That would imply that Marvel had the films best interest at heart and Norton basically tried to tank the film with his, what exactly? Great acting and adherence to character? If you didn't love Norotn in the film, its probably Marvels fault,a s they barely gave him enough time to actually be Bruce Banner. I think what is there is pretty inarguably great though. ANd I was expecting to hate Live Tyler, but their chemistry turned out to be excellent, and I really wanted more of their relationship. Saying Norton railroaded Marvel would be implying that the film could have used LESS characterization, because that's what Marvel was fighting for, and dude I don't think you want that. Norton was the one run roughshod over. ALL that matter is the final product, and because of Marvel the final product was lesser. Ergo Marvel is inarguably wrong. Im not seeing where Norton fucked Marvel here except bys tanding up for himself and not promoting the film enough, and that doesn't effect the film, it effects the box office, and who besides Marvel is fucking asshole enough to care about that?
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You guys have already proven yourselves to be utterly devoid of taste, reason, and empathy. The fact that you don't lament Mel Gibson's potential forced ostracism from filmmaking shows your complete lack of aesthetic merit. Sounds to me like you may have "a dog in this fight" (?).
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Wow, No one's made the connection yet. Everyone on this board has been going on about Nathan Fillion for this and that project, and no one has made the speculation that he's up for Bruce Banner. Just wait, sometime this week Marvel will announce Nathan Fillion for Bruce Banner. Trust me, it's in the bag.
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I always thought this movie was going to suck anyway, mainly because it will be very difficult to pull off in a way that doesn't make it a jumbled mess. But if Norton gave Marvel a massive headache with Incredible Hulk, I don't blame the studio for dropping him. He's a great actor and he did a fine job with that movie, but in the end all of his creative input couldn't save it from being shitty. Seriously- it sucked. The action looked like a kid playing a videogame, and the plot was so dumb it I think I got brain damage by proxy. Even Ed Norton couldn't save it!
Marvel- if you're listening you should be begging Eric Bana to come back to the role, but something tells me you are too proud to beg. Listen- Iron Man 2 was a dud- it was freaking BORING- and Thor is probably going to lick balls. Plus everyone knows Nolan's third Batman movie is going to make your superhero movies look second-tier. You better start thinking well and hard on the Avengers; you just lost some major talent from that movie! -
It is a commentary on how forgettable Norton's Incredible Hulk is that you regard Avengers not as a confluence of the other films but as as sequel to Iron Man 2. That pretty much speaks for itself.
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Unless Thor is 4 hrs long it's got too many characters for any of them to be developed
Cap suffers from this also
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you should search the thread again
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I realize Norton might be a bit of a control freak, but the guy delivers quality partly *because* he is a prima donna. I'm sure too many egos in an ensemble like this could be worrisome, but there's no way Marvel is going to replace Ed Norton with someone *better* in any subjective way. I think they really hurt themselves with this bad decision. Even if it isn't just hurt because fans are pissed, it'll be hurt because the final product is going to be that much worse.
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Could Sawyer be in, now that Norton is out? Feige mentioned Norton’s replacement would be “someone who knows how to work with creative and collaborative people”; we know there have been negotiations. Holloway was part of Lost, so he knows how to work within an ensemble environment.
As for the Marvel/Norton exchange? It makes me wince all, “Family Guy” like, because you have on one hand, Norton who is a fantastic actor, and on the other, a Movie I’m so looking forward to seeing. There’s no wining in a situation like this, just a nagging “what could have been”, in seeing Downey and Norton having that, “Heat”, moment amidst a destroyed Diner, on the edge of an obliterated town at sunset, surrounded by S.H.I.E.L.D sonic tanks.
Damn.
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cmon
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Bana is fine for the role, but I think it would be weird to have him back, because it carries this strange implication that Lee's Hulk is the official canon, while Incredible Hulk is some weird aberration. Incredible Hulk was mediocre, but it was better than Hulk, which was just not the Hulk anyone wants to see. I guess it is neat that we have the answer to the question, What would it be like if Ang Lee made a Hulk film, but I'm not sure if it was worth $100 million bucks and the three or so years it set back the character.
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Jul 12, 2010 12:44:51 AM CDT
Skani, Incredible Hulk is FAR better than Iron Man 2
by industrykiller!
Iron Man 2 was damn close to a franchise killer, creatively speaking (obviously it made a ton of money). There is nothing in the absolutely worst part of Incredible Hulk that is anywhere even close to as insultingly awful as the party scene in Iron Man 2. In fact if there are any flaws in Incredible Hulk its not for being what it was, but what it wasn't. What is onscreen is generally really great, it just didn't have the heart and wealth of character the first Iron Man had, and guess who didn't want any of that? for the umpteenth time, MARVEL!!!!
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Just that one was secretly in control of the proceedings vis-a-vis a record button. We heard only what she wanted us to hear. And she did want US to hear it. Like I said, small agenda-laden hand-picked photos of a much wider mosaic don't provide the complete picture. It's always about context.
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and so do I!!!!!!
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Why in the world would he want to come back???? The franchise being rebooted and him being recast was like a slap in the face to everything he and Ang attempted.
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Jul 12, 2010 12:48:39 AM CDT
And if Norton was so uncollaborative on Incredible Hulk, why....
by industrykiller!
did Tim Blake Nelson, Nortons co-star in IH, immediately hire him to star in a film he was directing. Because Norton was such a piece of shit? Yeah fucking right. So let's compare that with Marvel track record of now TWICE getting rid of actors who were excellent in their roles. a lament for Terrance Howard, replaced with a wooden and miserable looking Don Cheadle, who had zero charisma or chemistry with RDJ.
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Jul 12, 2010 12:50:19 AM CDT
The Incredible Hulk was better than Iron Man 2!!!!
by dioxholsterreturns
its all down hill from here!!!!!!!!
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Me too.
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I'm not blaming Incredible Hulk's failure (which is a clinically proven medical fact) on Norton, I'm just saying that his performance was just okay, the movie was just okay, and rather than blame all of this on some vast and implausible theory that has Marvel sabotaging its own movies just for grins and I think it is one of a series, let's entertain the fact that Norton had something to do with it, or at least let's admit that if Norton (a) delivered a really good film or (b) had delivered an okay film but was a great, easy to work with team player who was going to work even harder on this one, then he would have been in Avengers. Again, I think his failure to promote it is crap. I will also grant to Ang Lee, Leterrier, Norton, and Marvel that it must just be hard to make a compelling, good looking, engaging, bankable Hulk film, because both of the efforts thus far have fallen short.
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no doubt she knows how to push his buttons and didn't hit record until she had him good and worked up and then she just basically quietly said *ok* every time he paused
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Bana is nothing like Banner is and that Hulk movie was god awful artsy crap.
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I'm sure there are people who know how to work with Norton, or whom Norton respects enough that he doesn't get all up in their bidnit, but I think for the rest of us mortals, he's probably a condescending self-serious control freak. Go listen to the Fight Club commentary w/ him and Brad Pitt, and tell me you don't get this sense. There's this whole bit where he's going on about how great it was in the movie how they made fun of the newer Volkswagon Bug, and he goes on this whole Noam Chomsky wannabe condescending self-serious thing about corporate America, and then Brad Pitt just say, "Yeah, sorry dude, I actually think it's an okay car or whatever." I think Norton probably shows respect to a subset of "real actors" who "get it" like he does.
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That's actually a great idea.I bet it would get a better return than it did when it premiered.
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That's actually a great idea.I bet it would get a better return than it did when it premiered.
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Jul 12, 2010 1:01:34 AM CDT
"rather than blame all of this on some vast and implausible theo
by fat_rancor_keeper
"rather than blame all of this on some vast and implausible theory that has Marvel sabotaging its own movies just for grins" I have no clue why you are arguing against that since I do not recall anyone here saying anything remotely close to that. You may as well argue that chocolate ice cream tastes better than vanilla.
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I set up a poll to see who should play Banner / Hulk after the official news hit Norton was out.
http://tinyurl.com/2vtk466
So far "They should have kept Norton" is in the lead with joint second being Eric Bana, Simon Pegg, Billy Crudup.
Personally I think Neil Patrick Harris could make a great Banner plus he has history with Whedon.
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cause it sounds like you're talking box office ehre, it probably comes down to two things. FIrst Nortons refusal to promote the film. Cause if anyone who was around recalls the movie had no juice coming out of the gate as a must see film. There werent that manya dverts,a nd Norotn was doing ZERO publicity except for maybe an interview here and there, but come on, when a superhero film comes out its followed by magazine covers and a hit to every talk show. The Hugh Jackman model if you will. SO yeah, I acknowledge Norton didnt do that, and if you think it's cause Norton just "doesnt do that kind of thing" you are probably being very naive. But that is still Marvels fault, Im not gonna go through it again, but I explain in detail above how Norton got fucked, and I can't blame him for being pissed off.The second reason is that, while I think the film was good,a nd generally a crowd pleaser, it probably didn't have quite the resonance to get people to give it the incredible word of mouth to overcome the lack of pre-release buzz. Again I argue it's Marvels fault. What Iron Man had going for it, besides RDJ's charisma, was it really gave you time to sink into Tony Stark and truly make a connection with him. Most people walked into that theater not knowing anything about Iron Man,a nd left with a PHD in TOny Stark. Incredible Hulk never really made that audience connection,a nd I dont know if the extra Norton stuff would have quite gotten it there, but I think it would have gone a long way in establishing that character dynamic.
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I agree. If I honestly thought this was Norton's fault I'd say fuck him too. ED Norton's not paying my phone bill or anything. I just happen to like the guy as an actor. I honestly feel like he got railroaded and now fans will suffer.Marvel is in the wrong.
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Jul 12, 2010 1:07:22 AM CDT
we'll have to just disagree on Nortons personality, Skani
by industrykiller!
I like my brilliant artists self serious, and what matters to me is the art, and if you have to work hard with someone to get it right, then so be it. You could probably say the same shit about Daniel Day Lewis, maybe the greatest screen actor of all time. and I dont give a shit because his movies are fucking brilliant.
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For giving a shit enough to want to make the best possible Hulk movie with what he was given. Not only did he bring out the best in Louis Leterrier, but also did his best to bring the script up to scratch. If only more people dealing with past marvel movies cared as much as him to service the character to that extent. In all fairness I can see why they wouldn't want someone like that on avengers, but it's so disrespectful to suggest they guy is not capable of being a team player. He's a smart guy. Taking a back seat in safe hands would not be a problem for a pro like him.
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Jul 12, 2010 1:10:36 AM CDT
CHUD says Jaoquin Phoenix has been offered the part
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
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Look at what happened when Louis Letterier didn't have that buffer between himself and the studio, Clash of the Titans. Ugh. The argument for Norton just keeps getting stronger. It must be frustrating to get punished for probably making something virtually unwatchable at its inception very fucking strong in the end.
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You may be right, and I may be going too hard on Norton. Get me that unedited Ed Norton cut, and I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong. Thing is, I look at the movie they put out, and it doesn't feel like something an extra 20 minutes could have fixed, because it's not just what's missing, but what's there. Another thing is that it felt small. The whole thing (except maybe for the opening shots in Brazil) seemed very small and non-descript. The college scene, the climactic fight in "New York City" (i.e., Toronto and maybe a backlot somewhere). You look at a Spiderman film or a Batman film or Iron Man, and you feel like they actually spent some money wisely to create an atmosphere and a world and sense of scope and grandeur and comic booky fun. It was just a very bland film. Some extra scenes might have made me care more about Banner and Betsy or about Blonsky and his midlife crisis. And I will never understand how William Hurt got cast as Ross.
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The Avengers is going to be the biggest disappointment in the history of films. It might, juuuust might be slightly better than the Transformers movies. The Avengers film is going to be AWFUL. Mark my words. Why anyone really wants this film to happen is beyond me. They should just have a The Hulk killed off right away at the beginning of the movie... then they don't have to cast anyone ever. The Avengers will be avenging his death. There you go... that's the shitty movie for you right there. They can copy Watchmen or something.
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I really do
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Jul 12, 2010 1:14:36 AM CDT
I hope Phoenix takes the part,a nd then pulls a Norton
by industrykiller!
Just fighting the studio tooth and nail for a great product. If he doesn't plan on doing that then I hope he turns it down.
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Insults and jokes aside - Just explain to me why you think Marvel hired Norton to begin with if he was such a horrible person with a bad history and was so difficult to work with?Because that sounds about as logical a thing to do as me hiring a crackhead to paint my house and than being shocked when he robs me blind and kills the dog.
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Daniel Day Lewis is good, but he's a bit hammy in his later stuff. There Will Be Blood was good. If that's his method, that's fine. I look at guy like Anthony Hopkins or Clint Eastwood--amazingly talented actors, and they don't have to go through all that B.S. to deliver a good performance. There's this interview w/ Hopkins where people ask about his method, and does he do method acting, and, etc. And he basically says, No, I just study the lines till I learn them, try to think about what makes the character tick, then I go in and I do the scenes, and if it's up to me, we only do one take, and if we have to do more, I guess that's okay, but I'd just as soon not. I like that model.
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Ahaha..
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in this because no matter what, this shrinks the brand that they are sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into. Keeping Norton legitimizes The Incredible Hulk in the framework of the MOVIE MARVEL UNIVERSE, which is a new idea and and exciting thing, but it is also an untested thing, and it could fail miserably. There are so many questions. Will fans accept magic in the Iron Man universe? Will all these names be able to work together? Can Joss Whedon pull this off? But thanks to some advance planning and some brilliant cameos, no one is questioning the Hulks existence in the more realistic Iron Man universe. Accepting the Hulk, makes it easier, in my opinion, to accept Thor. But due to some probably petty and personal ill will, Marvel is willing to junk this already accepted and appreciated foundation and put themselves in a shitty spot. This is a BIG MISTAKE. Even if they got Steve Buscemi who is one of my favorites, it is still a major fuck up.
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I loved when you cried after your rancor was crushed to death.
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Yes, I did say earlier that David Duchovny or Viggo Mortensen would make great Banners but someone brought up Jeremy Davies and I have to admit, that is an awesome idea. I'm sure it would more than make up for the loss of Norton for the fans.
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the harelip Banner
Just, no
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Jul 12, 2010 1:19:51 AM CDT
Reboot Bana! Marvel should've had Norton signed.
by stereotypical evil archer
Usually a possible franchise will sign an actor for future sequels. Marvel wasn't thinking. This whole Avengers thing could fall apart faster than the Hobbit.
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Thanks for bringing up bad memories jerkass.
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yeah!!!!
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I am not a Norton hater. Rounders is one of my favorite movies, and i watch it at least once a year. Illusionist was really good. American History X was really good (Norton meddling aside), though it's so heavy, I can't really get psyched up for repeat viewings. I think Marvel picked Norton because it was seduced by Norton's interest and his reputation as a serious actor, probably the same thing that drew them to Downey, Jr. I think what they realized was that Leterrier couldn't manage him and/or that by giving him some creative input/control/whatever, they had set up a weird, multi-headed monster dynamic. I don't blame Norton for the movie failing (though I think his lack of promotion hurt the box office), but I don't think the movie was that great. I think it was unprofessional the way Norton barely promoted it. You are the star of a $100+-million dollar summer tentpole comic book action Marvel universe-building reboot, and you've surely been paid eight figures to make it. Man up and promote the film.
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Hey man no problem! I keep a picture of you guys in my wallet! http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/100/1001652/ocd-star-wars-malakili-the-rancor-keeper-20090707004811613-000.jpg
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yeah, I saw that Norton five favorite films thing, and that was the impression i got again. yeah, one of my favorite films now is ruggles of redcap, because the coen brothers told me a few years ago that I should like it, so i went back and watched it, and they were right, because they're the coens, and it's old and cool of me to like old, obscure things. plus, the coen bros. liked it.
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I think it will be hard to make Avengers work, just because it's a lot of moving parts to put together, and usually what happens is it feels like everything gets shortchanged. There's so much work trying to tie the characters together that the plot takes a back seat and you just have a ton of scenes that exist for the purpose of re-introducing the characters and having them meet-cute one another. Then again, I was pleasantly surprised w/ how well Freddy vs. Jason turned out, so maybe they can do it.
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DDL is good? Daniel Day Lewis is great! The best actually! I'm not sure you know what makes a great actor but let me tell you what it isn't. It is sitting there listening to what the other actor is doing. It's immersing yourself so much in the role that when the actor addresses you you are in that moment!
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Ed Norton is so fucking serious about everything. Didn't you see him in that episode of "Modern Family"?
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"Then again, I was pleasantly surprised w/ how well Freddy vs. Jason turned out, so maybe they can do it." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's pretty fucking funny.
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Jay Leno as The Hulk.
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My friend in high school was a big comic book geek. He dreamed of these mythical days in which comic studios retained control of their film counterparts. He had these kickass Jonah Hex and X-Men movies in his heads that never came to be. "And wouldn't it be great if Frank Miller made his own films? Oh, those Robocop sequels? Those were the directors' fault."
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Your friend has multiple heads?
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Just make him look a little bit older and then it´s a go.
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There's a guy who can act his ass off just waiting for a break out role. Oh and he looks like Bruce Banner to boot.
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How many people played James Bond again? How many James Bond movies did they make? Honestly I could give a fucking bull shit about who the fuck plays who. They could make The Avengers like The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus for all I give a shit. Write a brilliant script and shoot the movie well. That's all that needs to be done. Everyone is already making up excuses to justify the inevitable fate that the movie will be a pile of fucking shit.... YOU ALL KNOW IT!
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Topher Grace sucks fucking nuts... He's the the weak link on That 70s Show and he fucking blew in Spider-man 3 and Predtarders. FUCK HIM
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Will Smith's kid will get the part.
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Isn't Will Smif's kid an actor slave to The Order of Scientology?
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Iron Man 2 was better than both the fuckably shitty Hulk films. I skipped the second Hulk because I didn't want to pay to see a shitty movie.
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bunch of 1 liners taking off sun glasses.
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I'm with you man... The Ang Lee Hulk was alarming to what any future Hulk film could be. I had no desire to see giant green liquidly skin CGI smashing shit after that one.
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Bond wasn't really played by a different actor every new film. Nor were any of those actors involved with a series that required and implied a lengthy necessary continuity. This while onscreen Marvel Universe is a great idea and it was just getting going...now it's already shot to shit in the continuity department. But if you already feel that Avengers was going to be shit no matter what than the entire issue is moot.
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This was a crap decision. For all the difficulty with Norton...Hulk was one of the better one they made. I didnt even bother to see Iron Man x2. Captain America looks ok. Thor has pleather armor. Sorry Marvel, but you've been smoking your own shit. Too much money has made you greedy...good luck putting out subpar movies. I know I won't be going again. Turning down Edward Norton is a dumbshit move. No matter how difficult he is, the movies almost always always come out good. Marvel just lost one fan. Mark my words, Avengers will essentially be "Iron Man and the Avengers"...everyone will play second fiddle to RDJ. The movie will suck, and it will be the final nail in Marvels coffin. Caught between fan hate, a lack of casual moviegoer understanding of the Avengers, and minimal star power will make it financial success, but damned by faint praise.
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You know you want it.
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"Release my 2nd Chakra, BIATCH!"
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Norton is a mortal lock to go down as one of the best of his generation and he clearly seems to know it. The man has an ego that can really be best compared to Orson Wells. Like Well's he probably deserves to get away with having said ego. Personally I think the problem Marvel had with Hulk was that they put a weak director in place and Norton knew he had a chump for a boss. Put him with a major creative force and he plays nice (Fincher/Spike Lee/Ridley Scott) when he works with creative directors that actually have a vision you don't get the drama. Whedon is probably the right kind of guy to convince Norton that the creativity is in good hands. I think thats really what it came down to on Hulk. Norton knew Leterrier was there because he'd give Marvel exactly what they wanted so he tried to twist Marvels arm into making a better film which they didn't like. Weaker producers would've just gone along but not Marvel.
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CGI will never beat Lou Ferrigno.
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Jul 12, 2010 1:58:19 AM CDT
Thank you Norton for wanting to rewrite the script! Good boy!!
by jonchambers
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Jul 12, 2010 1:58:20 AM CDT
Thank you Norton for wanting to rewrite the script! Good boy!!
by jonchambers
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Jul 12, 2010 1:58:26 AM CDT
Thank you Norton for wanting to rewrite the script! Good boy!!
by jonchambers
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Jul 12, 2010 1:59:18 AM CDT
I knew they were gonna fuck this up before they got to Avengers
by fatalmister z
I remember watching Hulk and Iron Man and seeing how they were tying everything together for a larger Marvel Universe in cinema and I was excited as hell. Now I find myself just hoping they don't fuck it up. Norton was great in hulk and the Bana version sucked ass. It may not have been Bana's fault, but I just don't see anyone other than Norton as Banner now. I'll wait for this shit to come out on video.
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You ever notice that all AICN dream casting involve only genre actors and only from the past 2 or 3 years?
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While I am at it, good job letting X men get screwed up, having Wolverine (your golden boy) take part in a travesty, and Spiderman 3 causing a reboot it was so bad. I wish you had never made any of the marvel movies. Seriously. Looks like DC did it right...let batman get taken seriously, and after getting burned by Superman, take it cautions. Marvel would have rebooted superman twice or lost the rights to Fox by now.
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oMG The previews for Incredible Hulk were Incredibly silly. Can't say that about Iron Man 2.
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I think you meant that to be for me. Either way... I can see it being more of an issue once the Avenger movies actually get made. Like for an Avengers 2 film. Keeping actor continuity would be more critical then. But from a stand alone into a multi superhero adventure? Not so much. The James Bond example i brought up was to "prove" to Demode that changing the actor wont affect the sale of tickets or DVDs. People still flock to see the Bond Films regardless who the hell plays him. As will the people who will flock to the The Avengers because they have been "Dying to see it".
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The whole idea was to distance themselves from Ang's film when making the Incredible Hulk, that's why the recast EVERYONE, bringing back Bana would be an awkward and opposite direction for them!
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But the difference is James Bond is a GOOD movie idea. Hulk isn't.
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HAHAHAHA You're right! I dunno about Avengers though... Seems like it's going to be too much like an episode of Mighty Morphing Power Rangers in all honesty.
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Amazing how widely opinions differ. The Bana film was flawed, but I enjoyed it - more than the Norton one, and I'm a big Norton fan, even.
But the Avengers, sorry Marvel and fans, is going to suck hard. Unless you get Nolan to do it. No seriously, it's going to be like X-Men 3, Spidey 3, Superman Returns, GIJOE and a ton of other films of this ilk that didn't live up to potential, despite having rich backstories to pick and choose from, and every need to get it right. Come on, they fucked up Wolverine. You think they are going to put Captain America and the Hulk and Iron Man in one movie and make it all work? The recasting of Rhodey in IM2 was just the first crack in the ceiling. -
This whole Avengers project has managed to shoot itself in the foot and kill its own continuity and integrity. Great going Marvel, you almost had something there. ...So what's happening in the DC camp?
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Now that I think of it. I wouldn't mind seeing a Mighty Morphing Power Rangers movie.
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I'm holding out on a Buck Rogers in the 25th Century movie.
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If I remember correctly the actor who played the White Power Ranger killed a couple people. Maybe he should be casted as The Hulk.
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I thought Buck Rogers was in the works?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232199/
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You're right. I'm sure he already is. The reason Norton was rejected is much the same as Raimi. They actually had good ideas and the studio hated them for it. Spider-Man 3 was absolutely the studio's fault.
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Norton may not make bank, but does marvel want to make a quality product, or more cash grabs? Heres a list of some Norton movies that stand the test of time: American History X, Fight Club, 25th Hour. These are movies on the shelf, that I recommend to other people. 25th hr mostly for the performance.
Three solid, good movies is a lot. He is a good performer. Who gives a fuck if he can't open? They're going to have RDJ. Its not like the Thor guy, or Cap can "open" a movie. At least if those two bomb, you can have Norton + RDJ...instant chemistry, the straight man and a joker. If they are worried about box office, just hire Bay and be done with it. Then Marvel can make a bunch of money...and keep producing great movies I guess? Norton may only have a few minutes screentime, but it could easily be rewritten to be more. And those few minutes could make a difference. Would you rather watch Cap-to-be's acting or Nortons?At what price fortune? Norton is a smart guy. Hell, I would try and get control of the product if I was him too. Look at the crap Hollywood puts out. Would you want your name on Wolverine: Origins? I back Norton, fuck the studios and their desire to stay on budget, opening weekend shit. Make a good movie and people will come. Its like my financier friend who justified his job trading crap loans: "people wanted the product". Sometimes its peoples jobs to say "No.We are going to do it right, and we are going to do it good, and it will be success regardless of how much money it makes." I would doo doo my pants if Norton wanted to be in my film.
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I think this man is now doing more harm than good.He's basically fucked up continuity by playing hardball with everyone. Whats the point of building a Marvel Movie Universe if you don't attempt to keep your stars? If Kevin keeps this tough guy shtick up we won't even have Downey in the Avengers. Stop your arsehole act Feige, start treating your actors with some respect you douchebag. I was really looking forward to seeing the Avengers with Norton as Banner,what's the fucking point now. Kevin you're such a twat.
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and when it's not angry it can just be a regular one?
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If Kevin Feige turns up at ComicCon this year twat him in the face for me, please.
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Is great if a bit of an unknown quantity for film. Serenity was a great little scifi flick but aside from some good script work he hasn't done much else yet. He is fantastic at working with actors and with creating memorable characters but film is different from tv in that respect (which is why I've always preferred tv). My biggest concern is that Marvel seems to slowly be unraveling and I have a bad feeling this whole thing is going to go sideways and Marvel is going to thrown Joss under the bus as they seem wont to do lately. And a failure on a high profile film like this will ruin him for film. I kinda wish he had stuck to TV but the dude can't seem to get out from underneath Fox's thumb so I guess its a no win situation.
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they tried to pull a fast one with Favreau after iron man got released, and now they have pulled a fast one with norton. Its actors like Norton, Roth and Hurt who brought class to the movie and now they've gotten rid of him. poor show, Feige.
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go back 25 years and snatch Kyle MacLachlan bring him back and have him play Banner
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All ComicCon attendees attention, go to the Avengers panel wait for Feige to walk onto the stage and Boo him. Keep booing him as he tries to speak. Let him know this shit has got to stop.
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circle of life in Marvel's universe of unfortunate events
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I would have preferred Norton was involved though. I always liked the idea of Steve Buscemi but i think he's a little too 'unconventional' looking for Marvel. Billy Crudup is also a good suggestion.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:25:47 AM CDT
Where did all this Norton love come from? F-UCK NORTON, THAT'S R
by the founder
Edward fucking Norton is not unreplaciable. The guy is a damn good actor but he casn't carry movie for shit. i can't belive all this now so called ed Norton love coming out the mouths of so many. when did this guy become the fan favorite? They don't need him as Banner, the role can be recast. I'm jumping on Sharlto Copley bandwagon. Elijah Wood, Zach Quinto, John Cusack, Paul Rudd, Matt Fox, James Marsden, I can go on and on naming talented actors.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:30:25 AM CDT
Adrian Brody Hell I'd even Take Adam Brody,and f-uck NORTON!
by the founder
i'LL KEEP SAYING IT. I don't care about this man's so called passion. If he's difficult on set then that's the last thing that this film needs. It's going to be difficult enough to pull off a good Avengers flick as is with Joss Whedon at the helm.
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He went from doofus to complete badass in Angel. Great actor, too...Hell, get Amy Acker to play Betty. Alexis and Amy had great chemistry in Angel.
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I'm still not sold on this man doing the Avengers. Everyone keep going on about Ed fucking Norton, when the real elephant in the room is Joss Whedon. I simply do not trust this man to pull off a good Avengers movie. The thought of mediocrity and cheesy keeps playing over and over in my mind.
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As one who really takes this sort of thing seriously, I agree with all those vote for Eric Bana. He's a strong actor and looked like Bruce Banner from the comics. Edward Norton looked like his kid brother Skippy.
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Part of me knew this could happen but this is the beginning in the casting you had two Heavy Hitters in Norton and RDJ. now you RDJ and the guy from F4 and some unknowns with a Director with no Blockbuster under his belt and who was fired off another movie. Is marvel playing cheapskate again? I'm really starting to wonder if Terrance Howard really deserved to be shown the door.for casting for the sake some small sense of continuity I say bring back Bana.
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I just couldn't take it. Leave them people where ever they are.
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I just couldn't take it. Leave them people where ever they are.
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Not a terrible choice. His facial structure is similar to the Incredible Hulk. He is a bit old, but so is RDJ and they both were bratpackers. I think he could pull it off.
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and not Marvel. The man was asking for too much cash for the 2nd flick and it cost him. I wouldn't blame that on Marvel. I mean seriously what is Marvel supposed to do? Just pay or give in to actors with ego's the size of Adrian Brody's nose? Hell no. Let them walk. The studios should start standing up to some of these A list ego driven pricks with their over the top demands. I like B list actors for films like these anyway becasue the A listers will eat up all the budget for their salary and we get less money poured into fx.
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...is a genius.
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Seriously. What actor worth his salt would want to be a second choice for such a seemingly troubled production.
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Though he'd have to get rid of his snaggletooth trademark or give the Hulk a snaggletooth which would seem...weird.
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Sharlto is not a big enough name for someone pushing 40.
If you are going to go older and/or weird looking then you might as well go for David Duchovny and John Cusack.
I think i was the first to mention Neil Patrick Harris, but that may just be too awesome to really happen.
I also mentioned Cranston... but if they are going to go that old then might as well go with Steve Buscemi, no?
But i doubt they go like that... anyone thought of maybe Jack Bauer going all scientist again like he did in Dark City. Kiefer Sutherland is someone i wouldnt want to make angry.
But probably the best combination of right age + enough mass appeal + enough geek cred + good enough acting ability + believable as a scientist = Karl Urban. Too bad it seems he has had some bad plastic surgery on his face lately.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:54:56 AM CDT
Skani, and that's why Daniel Day Lewis is the greatest...
by industrykiller!
screen actor of all time (arguable maybe with Brando or Newman) and why Anthony Hopkins isn't.
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Neither of these guys were so great in their roles for Marvel that they can't be replaced. I don't know if Howard is difficult to work with on set but the guy ego got out of control when he wanted more money then he was worth for the sequel. I saw Howard on BET and he was saying that an actor of his calibre is blah blah and that he had paid his dues and that the studio didn't want to pony up the cash for him to come back after it was a big hit and blah blah and that he wish Don Cheadle the best. It was sickening to me. The guy had a supporting role but wanted more. Maybe it was his agent pushing him up to want more, who knows and who cares and F-UCK ED NORTON
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... and truth be told, too many geekoids in here as well had problems with Ang Lee's HULK, when in fact it was a most sucessful movie portait of the character, both Banner and Hulk. They had a good think but fuckasses who think they know better then truly talented filmmakers decided to change stuff. And now they are in a mess. And people never learn the fucking lesson: Studio accountants and geekoids fanboys of Mickey Bay and Jar Jar Abrams do not know better then talented filmmakers. Let the talented filmmakers do their job! Leave this stuff to the professionals.
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They were born to play David Banner and Betty Ross. Make it happen, Joss! - Anything to prove The Founder wrong.
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The guy has to be like 50 at the least. He's too old. Now I'm one to not make a big deal over age but Steve Buscemi looks old and tired. I like the guy but as Banner no. Just saw him in Grown Ups and he looked like someone's grand dad.
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The guy's a damn good actor. He was a damn good Bruce Banner, and as much as the latest Hulk was an over-the-top action fest, it was Norton's involvement that gave the Hulk character and depth (remember that scene in the cave, with Hulk raging against the elements?). Sorry, but the Norton hate is kinda silly. If we can't have him for Avengers, I'd rather just see Megan Fox as She-Hulk.
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Giovanni Ribisi, Cillian Murphy, Crispin Glover, Simon Pegg, James Badge Dale, Jimmi Simpson.
Too bad Jeff Goldblum is too old now.
How bout just having Brock Lesnar play Hulk, im sure they can do a better job making an already imposing guy like him look huge than just drawing Banners face onto some CGI cartoon.
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You want two mediocre actors some would say on board to fill major characters? Do you think it's wise to start transplating d-list actors from tv shows that had modest success due to a cult following of fans and hope they help fill seats?? Sorry dude but a majority of fans of Joss's tv shows are comic fans already and therefore have been counted by the studio. Another thing is i want a good Avengers movie that is fit for theaters and not the feeling of tv movie of the week. Joss whedon is already a strike more so then a good choice to me. I liked the man tv shows but nothing he's done make me think he is going to deliver a kick ass Avengers movie. I truly feel that in my heart that Whedon is going to deliver a movie much along the lines of the first Xmen flick where it wasn't a good Xmen movie but more so it was an Xmen movie that didn't suck. I think his Avengers flick is gonna be something that is just ok and won't suck, but it won't be an awesome movie and filling up the production with Dlist actors from Buffy or Angel is putting it on the track to medeocrity.
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not because of the Banner portrayal. But for the other thing he added in to the character and the fact he looked like a college science professor. I think if any conflict occurred between Marvel and Norton it was the reduction of his time on screen leading to a loss of writing credit. But from the behind the scenes info from the Blu Ray the guy, Norton, was extremely involved in ways I don't think most actors would be in doing the new Hulk so I think his loss will be great. As for the replacement I'm at a loss. You got to find a nerdy looking guy who can convey freaking out and hold his own against pretty charismatic actors. Good luck Marvel because I think you just shot yourselves in the foot with this one.
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Jul 12, 2010 4:27:40 AM CDT
SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK I certainly would feel better...
by the founder
if Abrams was at the helm way more then Whedon.
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He's a pretty big star, but in a very come-and-go sort of way -- like he constantly has to re-prove his a-list status. Always wondered why the guy couldn't get a little more traction to his career.
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Jul 12, 2010 4:55:13 AM CDT
marvel are pissed because norton got the sesond hulk made
by electronegativity
they're just scared he'll try to take the project and run away from them with it. he had a very strong influence in getting the second hulk film made, co-producing, working on the script and starring. it's like they're trying to bust him down a peg for being impassioned enough to take control of the 'hulk' ship.
i mean, if they did that to tom cruise, i would understand, but edward norton? he's not even that self-important even while he has so much to be proud of. i mean, 'fight club', 'american history x', and yes, an entertaining 'hulk'.
then again, marvel is owned by disney, and i have to wonder about norton's relationship with THAT monolithic machine.
it's harsh coming from marvel. really harsh; unless they're that full of themselves...or it's disney.
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I have more respect for Norton's movies than most of Marvel's superhero films. IH was better than some because Norton respected the Banner character (the nod to Bill Bixby made me smile). This news damages an already flawed franchise. Add to that the deep concerns over how Thor will fit into the movie universe and I can see Avengers doing badly. Please prove me wrong.
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Lee's Hulk was one of the biggest most un self aware jokes Ive ever seen put to screen. Performances ranged from wooden to laughably over hte top and the wildly SLEDGEHAMMER on the nose psychological examinations were impossible to sit through with a straight face. It's a bad film and Nick Nolte turns into a giant cloud.
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Obviously they plan on CGI Hulk the entire movie...and feel like the ONE scene with Banner changing into the Hulk isn't worth the paycheck to Ed. Case closed.
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and the fact is outside of hardcore film nerds and wish they themselves were famous Star Fuckers...these people do not see Action/Sci-fi/Comic movies for the actors. So long as the action is "sick", they have a hot chick or two, and they shove in some lame yuks..this thing will bank. Sure a good script and top notch "talent" make things better....but the Transformers franchise should have taught you all that even if you make shit, the American teenager will eat it up if it is cooked up the right way...that recipe for financial success sure wasn't lost on the studios.
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I sleep like a baby knowing that filmmakers like Christopher Nolan exists. You can have your precious Jar Jar Abrams and do with him what you JarJar Fans do, which must be too horrible to even venture a guess.
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To see Routh and Bale as Clark & Bruce for 2 seconds in a Justice League outting. Nobody wants to see the secret identities...and if they take the time to show these scenes...it will suck.
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David Tennant. Suitably weedy and an excellent actor. If they gave it to Brody, the Hulk's nose would be about three feet long and resemble a huge green beak.
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I respect you and i agree with lots of things you say, which then cames as a suprise your opinion about Ang Lee's HULK. Which is wrong. Ang Lee's HULK is one of the best, most ambitous, most creative comic book moive i ever seen, and one made with the most heart. It is a good movie by any standards.
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i really do feel that note about ed norton was a bit of a slapdown. very uncool. if hulk was going to be all CGI, they wouldn't have said what they said, and at that, we would have joss wheden to blame. I REALLY FEEL IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH DISNEY. norton does good work; even at his worst (and i do notice the odd occasion) he's still pretty damned pure about what he's doing. i defend the guy to the end; disney/marvel just burned a bridge with integrity. that's not just. not just at all. i hope they regret it.
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He'd be cool in the role.
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Honestly,a nd Im not trying to be a malcontent here, I think it's Nickelodeon cartoon silly. From the way Nolte makes community theater Shakespeare look subtle by comparison to how htey set up the fact that Banner is damaged by an abusive father and then continue to hammer that point home to the degree that Helen Keller couldn't miss it, to Hulk dogs, to those awful wink an eye to the audience comic panel interstitials to the flat and bland atmosphere (or lack thereof), to Bana and Connelly have all the chemistry of a couple in the midst of a bitter divorce, my list just goes on and on. I really can't believe anyone thinks that there is any honest character relationship between Banner and his father in that film, let alone an honest portrayal of an abusive parental relationship. Ang Lee is obviously going for a Greek Theatre level of melodrama and he pretty much hits it as it comes off as completely ridiculous and lacks any sort of subtlety or grace. And Nick Nolte turns into a cloud.
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He stole the whole star trek movie as bones.
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Just remember. Not everyone is being difficult because their latte' is lukewarm. Ed probably saved HULK. I will say that because L.L. has done bad films since.
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norton became that banner...so to say he brought nothing to the roles is bullshitbana sucked ass and this is a bullshit move by marvel...dont boot an actor that loves the role...and i aint buying that norton is hard to work with
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whoever came up with that is a fucking full on GENIUS!
I hope Marvel is reading this - if Banner is going to be just a cameo then get CGI Bixby...My God itd be so awesome
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Anyone actually believe this film is going to be good? If it makes money it will be because of Downey. I mean seriously... Zak Penn (X3, Elektra, etc.) is writing this crap.
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Hulk man tits FTW
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Jul 12, 2010 6:09:19 AM CDT
That's really disappointing. I loved Ed and Marvel's Hulk movie
by mr nicholas
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I don't get why Marvel wants to fuck up the continuity of it's movies.
I happened to really enjoy The Incredible Hulk, in fact, I enjoy it a lot more than Iron Man 1 & 2 and it's going to be very jarring seeing someone else take on the role of Banner.
What has made these recent superhero movies work is getting legit actors in these roles, not unknowns.
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Please explain.
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Interesting. I doubt the nerds would DARE boo him at Comicon, he's got a ridiculous amount of goodwill...
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1. Marvel are cheap assholes solely interested in making lackluster product.
2. Kevin Feige should be sacked for that obnoxious and unprofessional statement. Is he 12 years old or something? He clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
3. If you think that recasting is not a big deal then you don't watch movies properly.
4. This crossover experiment has failed halfway through. The Howard/Cheadle thing was bad enough. Now it's just embarrassing. There's nothing special going on anymore. Anyone could do this sort of thing if you're allowed to replace actors all the fucking time.
5. Marvel wants yes men and yes women more than it wants talented men and women and the funs suffer as a result of this idiotic policy.
6. With all the problems of this franchise, Marvel is the constant. They almost lost Favs, SLJ and Rourke for IM2. They did lose Howard. They've now lost Norton. Who's next?
7. Does Joss, as in, you know, the director of the fucking film, have any say in this at all? The story goes that the meeting went well between Norton and Whedon.
8. Thanks to Marvel we will never know how good it could've been.
9. Marvel are a joke. They're so shit that they'll even manage to fuck up the inevitable reboot in ten years time.
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I have said I like Norton as an actor, but he hasn't made many quality movies in a decade now. Yes, Fight Club, Rounders, and 25th Hour (not so much 25th Hour) were great movies. But they were made 1999, 1998, and 2002 respectively. He has also made Pride and Glory, Death to Smoochy, and Keeping the Faith.
And Marvel should care if Norton can open the movie. When you make a $200 million movie you care if your stars can open movies. You don't try to make a $200 million art house film or pander to a group who loved Norton in The Incredible Hulk when this group couldn't make the movie profitable domestically.
The reason Norton doesn't get much more than small time art house movies and crappy B movie cop dramas is because he destroyed his career with his attitude. Brad Pitt's career only skyrocketed after Fight Club while that was the near the height of Norton's career.
Norton could have been his generation's DeNiro or Pacino, but he ruined those chances with his attitude. I am sure many of the directors he worked with would have been open to his collaboration if he wasn't such an ass, but from all accounts his approach was one of an actor with an out of control ego rather than a guy who wanted to work together with the director to make the best movie possible sorta like say Brad Pitt (hence why David Fincher worked with Pitt three times while Fincher probably wouldn't let Norton bring him coffee). -
Other then the Machinist what has either of these guys especially Routh done that would make it cost so much to get them on the Big screen together Bale is Over rated and Routh's career is as long and my pinky finger.
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In fairness to Lattner, word was that the studio edited Clash of the Titans to shit. According to sources Lattner filmed a far better movie than what was put on the screen. I will wait til the Director's cut Blu Ray to pass final judgement on that one.
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I'm happy to see you standing up for Ang Lee's "Hulk". It doesn't get enough love. I think it's far superior to "The Incredible Hulk". The scene where young Bruce looks through the picture glass window only to see his father's lab blown up in a giant, green mushroom cloud in the distance still gives me chills every time I see it.
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He wanted the $ that he was suppose to get..they were trying to give him a pay cut. He was the 1st cast and the highest paid on IM1..thats not his fault..The 2nd film they wanted to cut his pay. I think there was a little pushback at that point. Kind like hey you all are suppose to pay me this much..but now you want to cut.. Anyway a meeting was setup for them to renegotiate..but a day or two before Marvel cut him from the movie and he learns about it from the media..not Marvel themselves.
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...simply because I don't want a Hulk with a gigantic beak-nose. How about that skinny, twerpy dude that played Hurley's friend in Lost?
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Ed Norton did a pretty good damn acting job in Leaves of Grass.
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Jul 12, 2010 6:44:07 AM CDT
Oh, and Another blight against Marvels "collaborative spirit"
by industrykiller!
Is the fact that they forced Jon Favreau to fire out Iron Man 2 in two eyars, after he said REPEATEDLY in interviews that he didn't think it would be enough time and might not do the film because of it. Well he did the film and he was right, not enough time. The script was a mess, wasting it's villain, sidelining it's star with a n arbitrary mystery illness, the ridiculous and unfunny birthday scene, too many characters,a forced Avengers tie in, and plenty of plot holes. Yeah, you assclowns really embody the collaborative spirit.
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I was just making shit up, huh? Served, you goddamn tool.
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Where does all this Norton love come from? Where's the great performances that warrant Norton's ego and interferences? 'Primal Fear' where he played half-Forrest Gump and half-Hannibal Lecter? In every other movie, hasn't he just been some nebbish guy? PLENTY of better actors in that generation, and all seem to be far less pains in the ass--
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lol I don't even recall arguing with you much less what it was about. Be quiet cunt...chances are since I don't remember you it's b/c you arent worth remembering.
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The crazy-evil dude from 3:10 To Yuma? The even crazier, eviler Renfield dude from 30 Days of Night? But apparently he can also play normal. Could be interesting.
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ONLY HOMOS CARE ABOUT MARVEL CHANGING THE ACTORS.
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...it seems to me that Marvel Studios/Disney=Marvel Comics in the mid-90's.
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Robo Brad Pitt also made The Devils Own, Seven Years in Tibet, and The Mexican. Every actor has his dark spots. Laserhead, Norton has been fantastic in Primal Fear, AMerican History X, The People vs. Larry FLynt, ROunders (small role but the best part of the movie), FIght CLub, The 25th Hour, The Painted Veil, and Down int eh Valley. I haven't yet seen Leaves of Grass but the buzz says he unsurprisingly great. Saying he isnt a good actor is just inventing your own reality. He's WIDELY known as one of the best of his generation, you can't take that away from him.
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MARVEL KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. HOW MANY FILMS HAVE YOU FAGS MADE?
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They almost rule as much as Scott Pilgrim does! My dick is going to explode off of my body when I see that movie.
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IndustryKiller! Don't sweat the Norton hating trolls.& LoL @ SCOTTPILGRIMFAN's posts basically amounting to simply hitting capslock and calling people who disagree with him "fags" and "homos". There's a conversation with stupidity that's a guaranteed waste of time. No thanks - Most people have better things to do than go back and forth with a bored 13 year cunt baiting people with useless shit-talking.
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You are definitely gay.
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...On set, and everybody knows it.
You can argue all you want, but filmmaking is a team effort. When you're making demands about the script (like he did with the Incredible Hulk just to give his buddy, Nelson, a job), or worse demanding a re-edit of the entire fucking movie (American History X) you're not being a team player. You're being a diva.
Norton is a great actor and might be a nice guy, but if everybody knows you are DESTINED to undercut the director, say 'fuck you' to the producer and demand changes your way, then you're a liability to any production.
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He pretty much was banner in Splice(albeit a little hipper)
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I never said every actor is spot on. In fact, I don't think Pitt is as good as an actor as Norton. But Pitt from most accounts is easy to work with and can open a film. Norton seems to unable to be neither.
People would put up with Norton if he could open a film, but the guy has never had a bonafide hit with his name as the top bill. Both Red Dragon and The Incredible Hulk made more than $100 million, but did not meet estimates. You take out those two movies and he has never had a movie make more than $40 million with his name as top bill.
Norton hasn't done many good movies the last decade because of Norton. He scares off people because no director wants his actor to try re-write the script mid production (Red Dragon) or constantly fight with him over the direction of Norton's character (Fight Club). Right or wrong, it is the director's vision and most directors give the actor license to make the character their own, but does not expect the actor to try to veto the director's decisions.
Sorry, if this was an isolated incident, I would blame Marvel. But it is harder to find a movie where he wasn't at least rumored to be an ass than one where everyone loved working with him. His detractors are significant including Ben Stiller, David Fincher, Brett Ratner (crappy director, but major player in Hollywood),etc.
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But couldn't Norton have agreed to some kind of clause where he couldn't interfere? We all know films are a collaborative experience, but at some point the director (or the studio) has the final say. Pleasant and promising meetings are all well and good in the now, but who's to say what Norton would have done if he'd had his 'creative energies' stifled, later in production. I really liked him as Bana, thought the film was a lot of fun, especially the nod to the Ultimates when he's dropped into the fray, so it's a shame they couldn't put together a starry nod to the ensemble films of the past.
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Sources for the detractors bit please.
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Oh boy.
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but agree he's probably too old these days. Never saw IH, so can't really comment, but surely they could just put out a new ("Special Edition!") blu-ray with the unused 'Norton-approved' footage? It'd make some money, plus allow everyone to see for themselves whether Norton had the right idea.
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I agree. I am disapointed that Norton won't be in the movie, but I am not going to blame Marvel for his since Norton is one of the most self-destructive actors in Hollywood. He could be one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, but because of his attitude he rarely gets work with any major studio and works mostly with smaller companies.
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Jul 12, 2010 7:20:00 AM CDT
Oh, and let's just throw Wonder Man into the casting as well
by dannyocean01
Maybe Rob Lowe or some 80s throwback could play him.
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Ben Stiller said on Howard Stern working with Norton was probably his worst experience as an actor. As for the other two there is a GQ article that sites his problems with Fincher (he constantly fought with Fincher about his character) and Ratner (he would show up to the set of Red Dragon with new script pages). Just google "Edward Norton is difficult" and you will find it and it lays out more examples.
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'Nuff said.
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http://tinyurl.com/28mfh6s
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Jul 12, 2010 7:25:40 AM CDT
SCOTTPILGRIMFAN, you have a detachable exploding penis?
by talkbacker with no name
I wondered what you were going to use as a replacement for lack of having one in the first place. cool, man.
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"He's a daunting proposition because you're taking on a collaborator," says Fincher of Norton. The director and the actor ended the production as friends, though. "No one could have played that part except for Edward. I think it's probably easy to read him the wrong way because he's still so new and because he's somebody to be reckoned with."
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It sounds like they want an unknown which basically means the role will be small, and they don't want anyone to screw around with that. I guess I don't understand why we can't start off with an actual Avengers villain, like Ultron.
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"I've got a movie coming out next month with Edward Norton ["The Illusionist"], and it's funny because he has such a reputation for being this intense, implacable guy. I've known the guy for years, and he's actually this really sweet guy. He just happens to also be very good and very dedicated at what he does. Russell Crowe was a guy who had a hard time leaving his role behind at the end of the day [during "Cinderella Man"], but that's because he's such a damn good actor. He's so into it, he's not even thinking about being that way, he just can't let it go. He's obsessive, but he's sensible enough that he doesn't put it on you, or at least he didn't with me. With him, it didn't feel self-indulgent or in-your-face, and believe me, I've worked with actors where it did feel that way. In some ways, it makes working with guys like Norton or Crowe so much easier for you. They're constantly living and breathing and thinking it on the set, never letting themselves down for a second, and it really helps keep you in it and on your toes."
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Sharlto Copley, David Tennant (geeky, Doctor Who-ish Banner), Alexis Denisof (who Joss knows well, and would be a good pick if the role is going to be small), and actually...David Duchovny might fit in well with the rest of the cast (sense of humor).
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Seriously, fans are going to fight this to the end of the fucking earth.
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Since there are so many dipshits here, I'll try and break this down as simple as possible. Both Feige and Norton are to blame for this. Norton is clearly being an over demanding diva and forcing Marvel to not resign him. If any of you think for a second that he was making a real effort to be on this film your deluding yourself. Feige was exceedingly unprofessional in the way that he handled Norton's attitude however. To make those kinds of comments is just plain dumb, you know that a war of words will start, just keep your mouth shut and make something up. For those who think Whedon needs to man up or some shit, you too need to shut the fuck up. Putting himself in the middle of this pissing contest is the last thing Whedon should do. Lastly, for the record, Ang Lee's Hulk sucked. It was a Freudian nightmare with no discernible ending and a giant mutated puddle. In no form or fashion is that a good movie.
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You all know you're going to be there inline and waiting to watch this film. Sure, a bunch of you will hate it (and maybe it will deserve the hate) but don't fucking sit there and pretend that fans are going skip an event like this for the sake of Ed Norton.
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but "no one could have played that part except for Edward" is eye-rollingly rubbish. Of course they could. As much as I enjoyed the film, and as good an actor as Norton can be, he wasn't even the most interesting thing in it. No, that'd be the female cancer patient begging for one last jump in the hay before she dies. That hit me.
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I know jett throws like 100 "scoops" at us a week, but his "rumour" that ben foster has thebanner role actually pleases me, he's a little younger but i wouldn't mind seeing him in the roleAs for right now personally, the definitive movie Bruce banner is and always will be Ed norton. I thought what he did in IH was amazing and i looked forward to seeing a sequel with the leader, but it looks like right now we'll get a new actor for avengers and then if another hulk film gets made it will likley be another reboot or sorts because odds are none of the orginal cast will returnI'm thinking this is a conspiracy that goes all the way up to disney, they are purposly sabotaging the avengers franchise so that when it falls apart, Paramount losses money and the rights revert back to dinsey for a reboot
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Your evidence for Norton's lack of "real effort to be on this film" is where?
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I don't really give a fuck if he's in or out to be honest, but the statement released by Norton's people suggests he did everything he needed to to kick start negotiations to be in it. So what the fuck you talking about?
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.....because this movie will do well no matter what. I think the people who care just need to skip this Avengers and other Marvel projects. Just don't support the company if you feel strongly about it. That's how I'm feeling right now about the issue. But if you don't care either way than whatever - see the movie, don't see the movie....who gives a shit.
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Jul 12, 2010 8:14:16 AM CDT
Yeah, because Norton's people are going to say otherwise
by cartoonfanboy
Christ Talbacker, Norton's people are obviously trying to make him look like the good guy. You need to read between the lines, "ongoing negotiations" was just a nice way of saying "Norton will only do this movie if he has the following creative authority ...". Marvel wasn't going for that and the bickering erupted in Feige's childish comments. Like I said, Norton wants everyone to believe he see him as the victim here but the truth is it takes two to tango.
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...'Cause I don't give a fuck about a team of assholes dressed up like the Greenwich Village Halloween Parade anyway.
This was shaping up to be something all-star and interesting, and now Marvel's behaving like a bunch of cunts, so all bets are off. Let 'em try to make up for the lost revenue off of a bunch of sweaty-palmed comic book basement dwellers. -
Sharlto would play an AMAZING Banner...but it wouldn't be the Banner that Marvel "established" already. I hardly think they're going to ignore the events of "Incredible". Just Cheadle him...on a bigger scale. So yeah, Brody would be ideal, but Duchovny would be inspired.
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I didn't mind him in as Banner though from what I heard, he was high maintenance and was a bit of hassle during the production but MAN! That statement was harsh. Usually these things have a bit of finesse and no matter what the dispute, it's always all friendly and professional. That was rotten man
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I agree. Two to tango. Just like a conversation. You didn't even answer the question. Focus!
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We all know whedon won't speak up because he's a spinless hack that gets dicked by the studio and asks for more (see his relationship with FOX). Evans or kirk's dad are lucky to have gotten the Cap and thor parts so they won't want to make a scene for fear of losing their sequel opportunities. In this case, the only one that could speak up and cause a fuss would be robert downey Jr. He's well enough off even without the stark role and he has to know that Marvel needs him, he could make a fuss about wanting norton back and i guarantee Marvel would make an offer to norton in a heartbeat if it meant not losing downey jr.This all just seems like MArvel is being cheapskates or they are bitter over norton fighting with them over the Incredible hulk final edit, well news to you marvel, Norton was rightLet's hope downey stands up and demands Nortan reprise the hulk role
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but everything I said about the movie is true and you know it. As for my proof of Norton not making real effort, it can be found in the comments by Feige himself. Despite how unprofessional they are Feige is expressing a true frustration, Norton was being an uncollaborative prick. Outside of his reps comments, what proof do you have that Norton actually wanted to be a part of this?
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You could do Matthew Fox or John Cusack. I'm still LIVID about this Norton, deal.
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. . . but they may have put an offer out to Joaquin Phoenix?!?!? Good luck . . .
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Regardless of what your opinion is, he's king of ensembles. Every project he has done was based in ensemble work. It's a no brainer.
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you're not disproving anything I said. Each party shares equal blame in whats happened here. Why do you find that so hard to believe? Try using some common sense, take a look at the reports from each side and read between the lines.
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It's a no-brainer.
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Jesus wept. Ok I'll do the work for you then I'm done playing silly buggers with you. Harry's post above. It's the one in the black box. You can hardly miss it!
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But that Brazilian chick that worked in the soda factory with Banner at the beginning of IH...she must be in this film, in every frame.
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Fuck The Avengers now.
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he might be too much of a pretty boy for the role, but he'd defently do a good jobOther actors i'd like to see in the role are: Viggo Mortenson or Zach Gallafanakis
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Humina humina...Ed Norton?
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Every time Banner Hulks out, his return to skinny scientist will be played by different actor. HULK out, then Eric Bana. HULK out, then Terrence Howard. HULK out, then Betty White. I'd pay to see that.
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Whoever said Sharlto Copley as Banner, that was a bloody great one.
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Marvel is going to go with some unknown actor that has done 3 movies and a guest appearance on the hills. Avengers will be the biggest let down since the phantom menace, no wonder downey is trying to distance himself from it
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Jul 12, 2010 8:44:47 AM CDT
CartoonFanboy, you really need to read the posts
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before replying. Not once did I despute blame. My point is you assuming you know everything. you know fuck all that went on behind the scenes. Now I'm not saying I do. I'm saying you don't. The same as I'm saying jsut because you say Hulk is shit doesn't make it so by adding "and you know it" to everything. You made the statement "If any of you think for a second that he was making a real effort to be on this film your deluding yourself" with nothing to support it. I'm challenging that with the fact Norton wanted to be in The Avengers. Can't believe I'm having to spell all this out to you. It's like having a conversation with child.
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the porn off-shoot "THE HUNK".
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...David Tennant. You know, if he can pull off a decent American accent, I think he'd be a fine Banner. Or just bring back Eric Bana.
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He can do the geeky, charismatic scientist perfectly.
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There problem solved, just hire Chris Pine
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There's no way in hell the Avenger's movie is going to be any good. Too many cooks, too great is the desire to make a block buster.
Just you wait. Thor will be laughable, and so will Captain America. I'll give you Wolverine as an example. Those involved in it's film adaptation just couldn't help themselves and toned it down to appeal to the widest possible demographic despite how weak it made the over-all story. They just couldn't allow their new money monster to appear vicious. Another example? The Hulk. The Hulk is not a good guy, he's not a metaphor for cutting loose. Although he's a fun mechanism for destruction to watch, at his core he's a tragedy. He's a tornado that destroys good and bad alike and just doesn't know how to stop. Movie producers putting that much money into special effects can't let that kind of Character happen, so the family friendly Avengers will be weak sauce through and through no matter who steps in and out of their roles.
Trust me guys, this ship sank before it even set sail.. and you have only yourselves to blame when you purchase that movie ticket.
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When there were reports that Norton was being super difficult, clashing with Marvel and the Director, insisting he had control over the editing, etc, and Marvel denied it? Yeah...obviously that denial was just a professional courtesy...
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This fucking sucks on so many levels that it makes me want to puke up my spleen. Marvel heed this: We (your fans) are sick to death of studio suits and studio politics. The example of Tom Rothman at FOX should have been the greatest example of how to seriously fuck up the development of properties that we (the fans) dearly love and want to be treated with the proper respect. Joss Whedon is the director, let him cast the movie however he pleases. We will not pay for a second rate product. WE WANT THIS DONE RIGHT. So pull your well suited heads out of your MBA asses and let the ARTISTS decide how to make the best movie and keep your Tom Rothman's out of the cookie jar. NOTE TO JOSS: PUSH BACK, DAMMIT!!!
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Jul 12, 2010 8:57:04 AM CDT
too bad Sam rockwell is already part of the Marvel universe
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he'd actually make for a decent Bruce Banner
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When are they just going to cut to the chase and make this movie?
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I'm losing interest in these Marvel movies. IM 2 was pretty good but Favreau and the writer laid the "Swingers" shtick ON THICK, what with the rapid fire jokes and such. Whiplash was underused and you can tell Downey Jr is getting bored with the role (interviews). It was really just a big joke movie to these people. You can tell they don't give a fuck about Iron Man.
The sad facts are that Marvel Comics have been absolutely awful for 25 years (ever since Secret Wars II) and their movies, with the exception of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, don't really shine. I have no reason to have faith that Marvel Studios will pull off Thor, Captain America or the Avengers. -
....and to me that's what made it BAD. Plus it had a lot of genuinely bad/awkward parts and only a few good moments. Despite that misstep I was definitely still excited about Captain America, Thor I was just curious about. Avengers was the #1 flick on my list I was looking forward to though. But now the combination of losing Ed Norton in such a shitty manner, IM2 being underwhelming and all this backlash I'm indifferent toward marvel. They'll get none of my money......as for the potential replacement of joaquin phoenix.......
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...only Edward Notron needs a little help prising himself out of his own fucking arse.
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....I dig the guy as an actor, but isn't he just another actor with a bad rep but in a slightly different and weird way? How the fuck is he considered a more stable personality than Ed Norton? LMAO....the dude's unfortunately probably drugged out of his mind at this very moment.
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Banner is probably only gonna be in this movie for a couple of minutes...
do a Terminator Salvation and bring back the best banner via CG!! itd be awesome seeing Bixby white eyes again...and make the Hulk look abit more real too (maybe CGI Ferrigno but like 8ft or whatever)....ok it makes no sense that Bixby Banner would be alive and well and looking late 40s in 2012 but so what if its just a fun cameo?? besides did it make sense that Judi Dench was M again for the Craig Bond? or what about Brando as Jor El for Rouths Superman?
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This is one of the most depressing things I have heard ever in all my experience with Marvel Movies!!!!
They gotta talk it out with Edward Norton man!!! MAKE UP bring him back!!!! THIS SUCKS MAN!!!!!! He wants to be in the movie, Marvel wanted him to be in the movie also! So, just bring him back! It doesnt have to always be a perfect marriage! Just do it! make it happen at least for one movie! Give the fans something they want to see!!! -
Get Bana back, and downplay the existance of the highly-bland Norton reboot.
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......but that's looking less and less likely now. I think Marvel is going to go ahead and recast and just brave this shit storm and hope that by the time Avengers actually hits theaters people will be over it. Comic-con is going to be interesting though.
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The Avengers should be scrapped. The CGI dogs from the Ang Lee Hulk should be given their own film instead, McG could direct.
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Absolutley no Bruce Banner at all. we'bve already seen Incfredible hulk and Banner was starting to hulk out at the end of that movie right before the credits, so have him be hulked out for the entire avengers movie, theres no need to recast and piss off fanboys
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im shocked it aint there yet!
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I appreciate that you're trying to gracefully bow out of this argument but falling back on something like "you know fuck all that went on behind the scenes" is lame. I never claimed to have insider knowledge, hell I never even implied it. I get it though, you're mad that I expressed common sense opinions based on observation. Common sense tells us that when two people have creative conflict (like Norton and Marvel did on the Hulk) there are going to be repercussions. Add to this that Feige blew up at the lack of collaborative effort from Norton on the Avengers and it's not that big of a stretch to recognize Norton wasn't really interested in doing the film. Do I have a smoking gun to prove this? Nope, but since I never said "I know for a fact that Norton wanted no part of this" I don't really need one. As for your anger over my opinion on Ang Lee's Hulk, it's a convoluted as the movie itself. I said the movie sucked, listed reasons why it sucked, the end. Are you just hung up on the "for the record" wording? Because if that's the only thing offending your delicate sensibilities then I'll change it. Here you go: "In my OPINION Ang Lee's Hulk sucked. It was a Freudian nightmare with no discernible ending and a giant mutated puddle. In no form or fashion is that a good movie.". There feel better now?
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"With about two months to go before the movie started filming, Norton did a page one rewrite--knowing that he couldn't do anything radical, because sets were being built, locations found, etc. The entire Brazil sequence was already story-boarded.
So Norton mostly changed dialogue, filled in gaps of motivation and developed character. For example, the scenes in Brazil about finding a serum in the Amazon to cure him, and Banner's emails with Tim Blake Nelson, were Norton adds. Marvel agreed to shoot Norton's script.
The Incredible Hulk filming was well under way in Toronto when the team flew to San Diego to do a Comic-Con panel last July. When the panel moderator asked Norton to address his enhanced role on the film--which was supposed to be revealed on the panel, but not by him--both Norton and producer Gale Ann Hurd recognized that his announcing his own role as screenwriter would play badly. And so it did.
In post-production, when it came time to edit the movie, Marvel wanted a streamlined cut. Norton wanted more of his stuff, some 20 minutes worth. Norton is a serious actor who wants to be cool. Marvel convinced him to star in a movie on which he would have considerable input as writer-co-producer-star. A collision was inevitable. Their heated debate was leaked to Deadline Hollywood. Marvel had final cut, not Norton. He did not get his way. Some 50 minutes of outtakes will turn up on the DVD."
Bottom line, unless Ed was going to take the contract he signed and keep out of the kitchen, then likely said go to hell between the agent and the studio. So the press release and the retort is actually civil, in Hollywood eyes.
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They'll the take the 250k that Marvel will surely offer them.
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...fucked up Banner a la Ultimates makes much more sense than the bland, over-sensitive 'nice guy' Norton gave us. Recast - Bana (very under-rated in the first film), Cusack, Joachin Pheonix, Copely or any of those guys and that would be more interesting than the last incarnation. And did anyone REALLY think Norton was ever going to be in this?
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Steve Busceme. Banner was never supposed to be some kind of heroic leading man. The way the animated series has taken the character is more in line with the intended concept. Make Banner into a conflicted, tormented and worn-down bedraggled guy, brilliant but not heroic. And I am actually serious. To me, Busceme would be a stunningly brilliant choice. And you're welcome.
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My computer appears to be doused in gamma radiation there regarding those earlier posts! I wasn't suggesting Monica Lewinski should play Betty Ross.
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that wouldnt be so good
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Bruce Banner isn't in the majority of the origin story any ways its pretty much all Hulk. Even in the new origin limited series Marvel is doing you don't even see Banner.
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and why should i care if he's boycotting comic-con?
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001763/
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maybe it will be Norton (and this whole Norton is fired thing is a ruse so its a suprise) or maybe an ultra fan pleasing BILL BIXBY CG cameo...or Karl Urban
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For God's sake Marvel respect your own continuity. Either agree a fee with Norton to cameo his Banner with unseen footage from TIH if necessary or make the film without Banner and suggest the Hulk persona has taken over.
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and Nathan Fillion as Pym. We can work in the rest of the crew later
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This is getting REALLY out of hand at Marvel Studios. First Terrance, not Edward....damn. Does Marvel even know what CONTINUITY means?? the same actor in the SAME role. Do not switch out actors. Edward and Terrance were great in their roles. really Marvel?............really??
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they pretty much slammed Norton. i haven't got a clue what he's like for them to work with but he clearly has talent as an actor and i enjoyed him in the role. i think he would have been great with those others actors. i think this diminishes the cast a bit unless they fill it with someone of equal talent.
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people harbour shit - esp high powered executives...they make you think that any shit u done they no like is all water under the bridge...then when you least expect it BAM! they whack you - just like in Goodfellas...
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Sharlto Copley. Hands down, resemblance to the comic Banner is maybe not there, but he can nail the conflict within Banner called Hulk spot on I think.
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that was all go for a while then WHAM! bye bye Bryan..hello Chris Nolan
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he must be searching for another job now hes no longer doing Bond
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Just how bad is the guy? Worse than Russell Crowe? Worse than Jennifer Lopez? I thought all movie stars were divas. How exactly is he worse than the usual? I want to know.
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he should fight Mel Gibson for the role
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Job security with that place is a joke. They have no idea of what continuity is and that doesn't bode well for the "universe" intermingling. I know I would be a little worried if I signed a multi-picture contract with them. At least Norton is freed up to make some money because you know they were low-balling all the actors for the Avengers movie. Marvel better get their act together because they are going to turn off people from wanting to work for them. Reputation is everything and theirs is very soured.
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..over Norton getting the job in 2006 or 07?
OMG I cant believe Norton is doing it this is so awesome!
OMG he was playing Banner like dual roles in Primal Fear, Fight Club and The Score - this makes so much sense it hurts!
OMG! OMG! OMG!
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You got the perfect Bruce Banner already signed. Robert Downey Jr. plays both Stark AND Banner. He knows enough about the game to not go full retard and the man has played an Australian playing an African American. Two characters in one film is no challenge whatsoever. DO IT MARVEL.
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We needed some way to fit him in this movie...
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It would be funny if people at Marvel Studios actually present Norton at Comic-Con next week, with the rest of cast, and probably all of this crap was just to get attention.
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at least that's what CHUD are saying. Sure, he's intense and could probably pull it off, but really, would he be any easier to work with? Really?
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Fantastic actor, wrong fucking role.
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1. Man up, pay up, and get Norton back onboard.
2. If not posible, just loose Banner, but keep The Hulk. Or use a double as Banner in some transformation scene without showing his face.
3. If not posible, cast Steve Buscemi. That was the dream casting all along this years anyway.
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It means they asked Norton to take a pay cut, from what they contractually agreed to in the sequel clause of the original Hulk movie, and Ed refused. Imagine the nerve of the guy demanding that Marvel pay him what his contract guaranteed for a sequel appearance!
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i'm all for Norton. if no Norton just keep hulk in the pic and have no banner. that's how you do it.
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so he cant be banner
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He would make for a good banner
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He can play intense and funny, I'd love to see a hank mooody/fox mulder take on Bruce Banner. I can see him fitting in with the other cast members.
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Yeah but the human torch is also Captain America. The hoff can multi task!
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His resume won't be complete until he plays a superhero
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lets get Norton back, Cheadle replacement was one thing, Hulk replacement another.
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Not weird enough a part for depp, it has to be batshit mental overload lunacy for him to consider it.
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I personally think they'll pony up and get Norton back. This kind of thing happens all the time (I remember when the Futurama cast were definitely not coming back...). I'm not going to lose any sleep if they don't though.
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True, but maybe they will give depp full control over the characters mental state. could make bruce banner scarier then the hulk
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with tim blake nelson as the leader. norton had his hulk as the closest to the comic yet.
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That ought to work.
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...it'd be real easy to just have Hulk and no Banner. Have Fury come up with some shit about how whatever inpending doom The Avengers are fighting has caused the Hulk to change and he can't change back so The Avengers have to go and get him and then they keep him locked up until the end when they need him.
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The guy was a one trick pony with X-Files. Seriously, have you seen anything else he's ever done? Its Fox Mulder everytime he's in front of a camera.
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With the exception of Fear and Loathing, most of his roles - especially when Tim Burton is involved - feel like essentially the same character. I'd hate to see his take on Banner, or any other comic character. All that said, I'm looking forward to the Rum Diary.
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I hope a miracle happens and Norton returns. I for one really enjoyed the Incredible Hulk and find myself rewatching that DVD a lot more than Iron Man 2. Hulk by Ang Lee was awful, save for the score and apeshit crazy Nick Nolte. Other than that, Bana wasn't very memorable in the role.I'm done with Marvel (was done since the Thor casting fiasco) films in the theatre, but I'd consider catching Avengers at some time if they recast banner with someone like Sharlto, Buscemi, or some unknown who is old enough to pull off a more nerdy scientist type. As much as I like Joaquin Phoenix, down to him acting like a rapper and putting his career on the line to film a fucking mocku/documentary, I don't think he'd fit Banner's role at all. I'm actually impressed people are lashing back against this news...and I am shocked people are beginning to come to the consensus that Marvel MIGHT be as bad as Sony Fox etc when it comes to these superhero films. They're getting greedy and taking the easy way out. Can't wait to see Thor fail, crew.
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It makes the most sense, and the problems on that hulk movie weren't because of him. Marvel probably made the right decision to boot Norton, but they could have handled it in a less douchy way.
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Bootleg of 2 in watchable quality doesn't even exist yet...
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Is if Bana wouldn't tell them to piss off.
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I am glad. I didn't care for Norton's Banner At All.
The Hulk movies should have focused more on the Hulk anyway less on Banner. Most of the Hulk stories withour Banner are much more enjoyable to read because Banner is a whiny weakling anyway.
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and that norton had signed earlier this morning. Apparently the leaked news that he was out was an attempt to gauge fan reaction to a nortan-less avengers. Obviously marvel saw that fans were't happy and agreed to pay him what he wantedTMZ removed the story like 35 minutes ago, so not sure what to belive now
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Edward norton should def return as Banner.....WTF!!!!
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lol! Does anyone even read the comics?
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I agree about those movies; they are old. But thats part of my point. Those movies are still good. And I think a lot of it has to do with Norton and his work.When I said marvel shouldnt care about opening, I meant they should care because they have RDJ. And he has proven he CAN open. So they have an opener actor, just pair him with Norton. Kind of like Fight Club and Pitt. Many people came for Pitt, but stayed for Norton+Pitt. Imagine Pitt doing that performance with a B-list actor or an "unknown", the same way RDJ will be doing his performance now. There would be no chemistry.He probably does have a bad attitide. But how many Brad Pitt movies are good, and how many are pretty forgettable? I like Legends of the Fall and thats about it and fight club. What I am trying to say is Norton may be an ass, but the movies he ends up making are usually worth it. A "pain in the ass" for the producers and directors is a shitty excuse to just go to an unknown yes man over a Norton. Its not like the guy shows up drunk or beats women, hes just a prima donna about his role and the movie. But I think his record speaks it for whether thats acceptable.
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yea I said it
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I wasn't suggesting anyone at the Comic Con convention get physically violent with Kevin Feige at the Avengers panel. I was asking people who hate the way this was handled to shout boo's at him when he walks on stage and introduces himself. It's called a peaceful demonstration and there aint anything wrong with that. People on this talkback have said much worse and they are still up on here. Boycotting a movie won't work because you know people will still go to see it. Making your voice heard is the best way to get a message across, and if Kevin Feige happens to to be sitting a few feet away from you then he'll be forced to deal with it. If this gets taken down again , then I can only assume you're licking his ass so that you can get some exclusives.
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Norton has been o0ffered a part in Batman 3 and was forced to choose between the two projects, he felt the batman 3 part was more rewarding as an actor then the mostly CGI avengers role. I don't want to reveal the batm,an 3 part because it's planning to be announced at comic con and i don't want to spoil the surprise
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True to talkback assholery, I'm going to predict this movie will suck.Sounds great on paper but I just can't see this working at all. I reckon the masses will give it the swerve.
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I'll sign off on that, now just replace Joss Whedon with an actual filmmaker and we can begin.
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Seriously, it's big and loud with a bunch of characters... kinda like a disaster movie. I bet he'd do a good job.
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That's your Banner, folks.
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Just the right amount of wimpy!
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GODDAMIT! We want thespians! Downey Jr. and Norton were the only 2 thnigs that I wanted to see happen.Now? An unknown? goddamn Marvel, you are cranking out 100% shit.Nothing comes from the right palces with you(and it shows).All your casting decisions of late are economically based.You're fucknig retards! Get Norton in
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and Grissom knows it!
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Steve would inspire a geekgasmic freakout if he got to be Banner! Plus, the dude deserves a franchise!
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Steve would inspire a geekgasmic freakout if he got to be Banner! Plus, the dude deserves a franchise!
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for Moon Knight
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I watched Ed Norton's Hulk first, then Eric Bana's. I'm sorry, but I honestly enjoyed Eric Bana's Hulk more [shrugs]. It's weird, there's a lot I'd forgotten about that movie - I loved all of the comic book style editing where you'd see what looked like the frame cells expanding and contracting all over the screen. ...it was fun! :)
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That's some quality info.
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just looked it up. Looks like he's really gone to work at that file room in the afterlife.
We will miss you Harvey -
with a shitty actor so as to make Chris Hemsworth look better.
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Why does every single piece of comic book casting ever come down to those two? Cant you nerds move on?
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I can say no more.
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BRILLIANT!
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Would have been nice for continuity's sake. Banner is an everyman, I honestly don't care who plays him.
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... and an animatronic "Good Guy" doll as Chucky as Bruce Banner. Screw this Don Mancini "Child's Play" remake, and let's get intimate with the fourth wall, go meta, and "re-imagine" a handful of franchises at once.
I've said my piece.
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it's not about actors, celebrities, and egos (or even 'continuity'). It's about beloved CHARACTERS being brought to life together for the first time on the big screen. This Avengers movie is a dream come true for many who grew up with comics. Norton would have been great, yeah, but when it comes down to it, I don't give a shit who plays it, as long as it's done well. And I absolutely have faith in Joss Whedon that he knows how to work with actors to create a team, a family even. Working with a large ensemble to give them each poignant moments, to supply emotional twists, and moments of bad-assery. I have a hard time seeing Norton fitting in with the community spirit that Joss creates on his sets. But whatever. As long as the story is done right and everyone who is cast brings their a-game, we'll be mighty pleased.
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eat a dick Fiege, you fucking gaylord! Stop pissing the fans(me basically) off!
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I agree.Ang Lee's HULK was a bit of a miss-fire, but his comic style editing and frame wipes were simply fantatstic. There's been a million shit blockbusters over the past ten years that would have benefited immensely from that style.
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His take on banner is something audiences haven't seen yet and imediatly after we watched his screen test we started to take the Incredible hulk sequel in a different direction. Fan will be pleased with Ben foster in the role, i guarantee it
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Matthew Broderick? Seriously. I agree with the Buscemi direction but maybe Steve's a bit too much "too much" or something? For Banner, I see a guy who started geeky and confident and then winds up harrowed and haunted...Broderick has the chops, is younger than Buscemi but older than Foster or some of the other suggestions (brilliant scientist used to play older types but now apparently just being able to pee without parental intervention is enough to qualify as a brilliant scientist in terms of age) and seems like he might be a good fit for the role.If not, Copeley, Buscemi, Broody are all inspired choices...(hell, if we're not giving Lizard to Dylan Baker, I say give Banner to Baker! No different really than flipping Evans from Torch to Capn't than flipping a criminally underused Baker from his eventual turn as Lizard into a turn at Banner.Norton would be great...if not perfect..but there are many choices..plus as many have said, it's not unreasonable for Banner to not show up for the first film and actually be the menace they fight..derivative, perhaps..but do-able.
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...and I can't believe I stayed that long.
Contrast this with the fact that I wish I'd seen Norton's Hulk in the theatre, instead of at home.
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brucilla banneress!
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If you dislike the way this was handled and you're going to ComicCon this year let Kevin Feige know you're annoyed. Harry, Hercules, Mr. Beaks, Capone, Quint, Merrick, Massawyrm,if any of you are attending this years show please don't suck up to this man, ask him the uncomfortable questions and the reasoning behind his "seemingly" unproffesional statement on Norton. Ask him if he gives a shit about movie continuity and if so why didn't he sign these people up with multiple movie contracts? Ask him if he's placing more importance on his own ego and career rather than on the company and the marvel Movie Universe? I'd really like to see him explain his decisions of late.
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Now THAT would be an interesting choice.
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I'd be totally up for that. He's old enough, and geeky enough to be believable. Just don't let him drive anywhere near the set.
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just imagine him at the end of Election if he could have hulk'd out.
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Lost all geek cred after Godzilla came out.
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Instead of these fresh from TV actors. Not saying no one can develop, look at Bruce Willis / Pierce Brosnan.. just would be nice for another big name in there.
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I don't think we want a gay bruce banner do we? Don't be retarded.
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They should get Kip from Napoleon Dynamite. Or Jim from The Office since he didn't get Captain America
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Marvel need to look at the better Star Trek films to see how this should be done well. Unfortunately, I'm beginning to think they'll be unable to come up with the script, money or performances to make it work.
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Jul 12, 2010 1:44:06 PM CDT
"Who do you trust!! Hubba, hubba, hubba!! Money, money, money!!
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I'm definitely in Nortons camp after Marvels bitchy statement.
Man, this new casting will be worse than Kristin Kreuk in Street Fighter now. GET NORTON BACK!! -
call Kevin Feige at 310-220-8904. That is his offices direct # at Marvel Studios.
Flood them. Ask questions, bother them, leave messages for him. LET HIM KNOW that this is exactly what us FANS have come to expect from Marvel constantly dropping the ball with their franchises. -
You're mad a Marvel for giving us an honest answer for a change, instead of the PR Bullshit we normally get? More so, you feel bad for Ed Fucking Norton? Once you become a rich-and-famous movie star with millions of fans, it'll take a lot more than being snubbed for a role in the Avengers movie for me to feel bad for you.
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That fucking rat and minions are going to screw this up. Half the point of Avengers is to see good actors coming back and working with other good actors. Not for RJD and Samuel L. to steal screen time from the rookies. Phoenix is still crazy right? I also agree you might as well get Xander since he can at least for scale and be good.
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Kip Dynamite would be awesome.And Broderick isn't gay. He plays gay a lot. Hell, he did a run on broadway. He's married to Sarah Jessica Parker (which, in itself, is not conclusive).I think the point about loosing geek cred for Godzilla is relevant but then again, not really his fault. I didn't really loose respect for Reno in that and for crissakes, it's got Derek Smalls, Gargamel...shit man...geek cred is all over that damn movie.
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Well this just blows sour donkey balls.
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That's the only way forward.
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He was Bruce Banner in Watchmen.
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Not necessarily due to deciding to replace the actors, which does suck IMO, but the way they do it seems really shitty. In both cases it seems like Norton and Howard were in the middle of negotiating their returns, and in the middle of negotiations Marvel decided to just say fuck it and go to the press that they're replacing the actor, and then seed a bunch of stories about how its because of the actor's ego, not because the team at Marvel are a bunch of incompetent nitwits.
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Sharlto Copley for Banner...
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if they surprise people with anyone that doesn't thrill everyone then whoever walks out on stage is getting boo'd
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On thinking about this this is to be expected. You get that many people involved in these movies and there is bound to be some drama. I like what Chris Nolan said about his approach to super hero movies. He talks about maintaining the integrity of the characters by no doing crossovers. But then again Marvel has always been more about cross overs.
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He plays a condescending douche in all his movie. Even in The Inscredible Hulk, he acted like he was too cool. I'm glad he's gone. Now, I don't mind if they get an unknown (although he won't be a total unknown). If they do a Hulk sequel, does that mean they'll get another actor again?
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I'm not mad at Marvel, they have to make business decisions that revolve around budgetary issues and talent skills. I don't even feel sorry for Norton he is after all doing pretty good for himself and doesn't need a role like this to boost his image. I just don't think it's very professional to make a statement like this. Kevin Feige should explain it further since he's the one who opened up this can of worms, but I doubt any journalist on Aint It Cool will have the balls to ask him these questions and takle the issues Marvel fans have at the moment. I am of the opinion that Feige doesn't like to take shit from anyone especially when you consider discussions nearly broke down with Samuel L Jackson, and he was also instrumental in getting rid of Terrance Howard and now Edward Norton. I think his tactics are ultimately going to hurt the Marvel Movie Universe, and I see more potential for things to go wrong and the firing of already established actors in the main character roles. By the time The Avengers gets made we may even have a different actor playing Tony fucking Stark at this rate.
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but wtf are you talking about? Since when has Marvel 'always' been about crossovers? Since, two years ago, when Iron Man came out? Certainly not before then. DC tried to do a Justice League movie, if you recall, but it was a huge clusterfuck. And it never happened. People are ridiculously saying Avengers is one because of one lost actor who, let's be honest, very few of us expected to come back anyway. Anyway, Nolan's doing something very very different with his films (and I wouldn't really call his movies 'fun'). But DC wishes they could pull off something like The Avengers.
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Wife. And daughter. And cocker spaniel. And of course, Norton utterly ruined The Incredible Hulk. Naturally Fergie is going to make the only reasonable artistic choice possible:
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At this point I don't give a shit. Norton has been over-exposed since "Red Dragon" anyways. He carries too much baggage and doesn't even try to "act" anymore.
Go with an unknown or a decent actor who doesn't mind a cool cameo gig. Banner is the least essential part of this movie. Don't cheap out on us like Iron Man 2 and reduce the actual hero time to next to zero. I want to see Hulk doing some goddamn damage! -
Lang, that casting would make The Avengers a VERY R-rated movie, haha.
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After all, a man's cocker spaniel is sacred!
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It's disappointing that Norton won't be in this one, but that's not enough to keep me from seeing it.
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Let's show Marvel who we want and deserves to be cast in The Avengers!! http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=136611549692379
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he basically played ed norton in the incredible hulk, a very mediocre film on the verge of sucking. him being excluded from the avengers is not a big loss, plus he'd be on screen for about 10 minutes anyway. since the best aspect will be his CG counter part, no real need for norton. he is, indeed, the least important aspect to the team. oh and for those that say Bana, you need to realize that he will be their last choice. since he is associated with an unfavorable Hulk, he is guaranteed to be stricken from the wishlist. this is basic hollywood logic. this same thinking will see that Routh never wears the S again, too (thank god).
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nuff said
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That GREEN thing today was enough. That was PROVOCATIVE. OK?
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Now Norton, who took on the Banner role in the Louis Leterrier-directed "Incredible Hulk," has weighed in on the brouhaha with a post on his Facebook page.
"As most of you know, I don't like to talk much about the business of making movies because it means a lot to me to protect the audience's fullest enjoyment of the 'magic' that films can have," the statement began. "But I am so appreciative of the outpouring of support from fans of the Hulk and the Avengers that I feel it would be rude not to respond."
Norton went on to avoid addressing the specifics of Feige's statement, as well as the heated words of his agent. Instead, Norton simply stated the facts of the situation, declared his appreciation for playing the character at all and thanked fans for their support.
"It seems it won't work out for me to continue playing Bruce Banner for Marvel in 'The Avengers,' " he wrote. "I sincerely hoped it could happen and be great for everyone, but it hasn't turned out as we all hoped. I know this is disappointing to many people and that makes me sad. But I am very sincerely grateful to Marvel for extending the offer and even more so for giving me the chance to be a part of the Hulk's long and excellent history.
"And I really can't thank the fans enough for how much enthusiasm you've sent my way about what Louis and I tried to do in our turn with the legend," Norton concluded. "It means a lot to me. I grew up with Banner and Hulk and have been a fan of every incarnation. I'm really proud, and very blessed, to have been one of them and will be thrilled to see him live on through other actors. Hulk is bigger than all of us, that's why we love him, right?"
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Come on people! Who in this cast is going to cost Marvel any serious money except Downey, which he deserved deeply. Jackson probably gave them discount becouse his got this multipicture deal with them, Evans costs little, the guy who plays Thor will be there for free licking their balls and the only one except Downey was Norton who with his reputation from more serious roles which was suppoused to be the accent saying "Yes it's about green monster but we have this dramatic actor in it so it can't be so goofy". Well, it turned out that Norton's presence didn't help with Hulk and how could it when last 20 minutes is about cgi monster fight. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE OUR HEADS OUT FROM OUR ASSES and realize what Marvel probably had already - no matter what high profile names they will put into it, they WON'T BREAK TARGET AUDIENCE BARRIER WITH IT LIKE THE DARK NIGHT DID and THEY WON'T MAKE MORE THAN $300 mil domestic. So they are cutting they costs. And Whedon? Come on, really succesfull FIREFLY director. His payday: one BigMac, no fries and cold as fuck. THIS CAST IS AS EXCITING AS INGLOURIOUS CAST WAS WHEN ANNOUNCED - IT'S NOT! Marvel is not going to invest all their money hoping to make godzilions of dollars becouse if in one movie you have so many different character from comic books no matter how you put it out IT IS STILL GOING TO LOOK RIDICULOUS for MOST MOVIEGOERS especially outside USA where movies based on comic books make not much - again, excluding DARK KNIGHT but that was not comic book movi. THE AVANGERS wil be strictly for fans, comic book lovers and that's fucking fine. but with that limitation in the amount of possible income Marvel IS COUNTING MONEY!
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"Aww Norton, your sooo cool!"
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and then fire him a few days later
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Either he was trying to pose himself as a nice guy or something but his letter sounded very sincere and apologetic to the fans. Sucks we wont be able to see what more he could have brought to the character but I just lost a little bit of interest on the Avengers movie because of it. Ed norton, you're a class act for responding to the fans. FUCKKK YOUUU MARVELLLLL!!! As Thor would say if you screw it up
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We were preparing ourselves for an instant classic that harked back to the version we grew up with and loved and just got a so so movie
Esp with Superman Returns - all that talk of it being a sequel to the Reeve movies, Brando as Jor El again, crystal fortess, Reeve lookalike, ignore III and IV this is the ‘new Superman III’
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He did such an awesome job as Spider-Man!
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HULK SMASH!!
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Avengers will be a great showcase for some unknown. An unknown actor could get a career out of this. The actor pool in Hollywood is stale, and new blood is needed.
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Sam Trammell is a very likable actor, and also can definitely play a guy who's hiding his inner self, as evidenced by his turn on True Blood. Good actor, has shown he does good work, brings intelligence to his work, and is clearly a team player. Probably makes decent $$ doing True Blood, but won't be asking for Downey or Norton money.
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I re-read his Facebook post. Wonder what Stan THe Man makes of all this?
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Also: Rosario Dawson for She-Hulk! - or any other upcoming female Marvel role ...
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Jul 12, 2010 3:34:50 PM CDT
who cares about Avengers when ST 2 & Batman 3 are out summer 201
by cartmanez
plus maybe Indiana 5
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Maybe Edward Norton can replace Ford as Indy!!
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There you have it.
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On the otherhand...
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They need another brotha anyway. I'm thinking the black guy from the Old Spice commercials.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:52:53 PM CDT
I never understood the whole "prima donna" attitute some actors
by ricarleite2
Like wanting to control the production. First of all, they hired a director for it. Second, the whole thing of acting is basically: "here's a shitload of money, now go in front of the camera for some months and do whatever the fuck I want you to do, if you disagree just fuck off". He can have his opinions, but the director may consider it or not, he could say "okay that's a good idea, let's go for it", or tell the actor to shut the fuck up and do what he wants.
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Eric Bana: On the whole I think most Hulk movie fans would love it if The Hulk is finally de-powered halfway through Avengers to reveal Eric Bana standing there all confused in torn clothing. IH WAS pretty much a sequel to the Ang Lee film. They just retconned out the Nick Nolte character and changed the 1st transformation to include the bit with Betty and Thunderbolt Ross. It picks up exactly where the first film left off with Banner on the run in South America and General Ross hunting him. So by recasting Bana it tidies everything up nice and neat. It would be nice though if he got skinnier for the part. He's way too build for "puny Banner".
Sharlto Copely: Great actor, loved him in The A-Team and District 9. I think he's still got something to prove in Hollywood though and taking this part would solidify him in genre typecasting. Would be a great Banner but I'd rather see him return as a healed Vicus(who still can operate prawn technology) in District 10.
David Tennant: Once I thought he would have made a great replacement for Eric Bana back when they were casting IH. I'm a life long Doctor Who FANATIC but over the years I've noticed that Tennant has a tendency to over act and chew scenery, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE PLAYS "ANGRY". I'd hate to see a Hulk Out scene where David Tennant does his "buggy eyed clenched teeth" bullshit again. If Joss Wheadon can sit on him a little bit then maybe but overall I think Tennant is too over the top. Though physically he's perfect for it.
If they bring Bana back then they can bring back THE ILM HULK easily the best thing about Ang Lee's film. ILM did Iron Man so why not bring them back to make a new Hulk for Avengers. They can just make use of some of the newer technology they didn't have 7 years ago to make him even more realistic. The Hulk should definitely talk this time around. If Cameron can use facial recognition technology to make believable 10 ft Blue Cat People who speak and emote just as well as the human actors they share scenes with then there's no excuse for the Hulk to look fake and not talk. The Rhythm and Hues Hulk from IH looked great in the cave with Betty and in some of the daylight stuff fighting with Blonsky but mostly looked too veiny and rubbery. Hope ILM gets this gig and bridges between the 2 movie Hulks. -
Since he's a Disney whore now...
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but what about Sean Maher (Firefly)? He could definitely pull off the traumatized nuclear physicist thing. He's cheap so he might be worth a screen test.
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..but I do believe Norton would act like a controlling little bitch. He's had that reputation for years, if he keeps that attitude he wont be able to find anyone willing to work with him. He's like Dustin Hoffman's character in Tootsie.
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Is that too soon? but if they have hugo weaving be the bruce banner, that could leave the chance for Mel Gibson to be the Red Skull!!!
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Jul 12, 2010 4:32:10 PM CDT
Is Ed Norton The Most Overrated Actor Working in Hollywood Today
by bigjeffrey
AND one of the most conceited? The guy thinks he's far better than he actually is. He's had what? Four or five decent performances in his career? The guy's phoned in nearly three quarters of the roles he's had, a fair few of them because he'd fallen out with the studios or directors citing "creative differences". He comes across as an uptight asshole whose CV paints a picture of a very plain actor for me. "Best Actor Of His Generation" my ass!
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Sorry, but I've never been a fan of Edward Norton. He was perfectly cast in "Fight Club", but his whiny disposition was a great fit for that role. Also, there hasn't been a good Hulk movie made yet. Lee's Hulk had better "Hulk moments", but a lousy story. Lettier's Hulk had a better story, but zero charisma from Norton and absolutely no chemistry with Liv Tyler. Give me the Gamma Bomb, the Leader, the Tri-Beast, a better Abomination, and put Eric Bana back in the role. He had the right spirit and is way more interesting to watch than Norton.
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It's clear to me what is happening here. LENO wants the job.
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talkback closed.
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Eric Bana is not going to be in this movie. Get a fucking clue people, you sound like a bunch of morons.
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Norton is a talented actor, so I don't think it makes sense to overcorrect and say, "This guy sucks." I just think all this crazy hyperbolic "Orsen Welles" and "best actor of his generation" stuff is crazy, and it takes on a life of its own. Look at Illusionist. A really good film and a really good performance. Same w/ Rounders (although a lot of people view it as just serviceable). But yeah, what has Norton ever did to create the idea that he is some amazing visionary or talent. It's the same with Incredible Hulk, people are so in love with the idea of Norton as some great thespian that they can't look at his performance in that movie (and the movie itself) on its own terms, and say, this is just okay, not great. Like I said in the earlier talk back, I'll go watch just about any Hulk they put out, but that doesn't mean I'll give four stars to it just cause someone spent the $ to make it.
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your post was removed because you're a fucking moron. go away
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I could see him in the role!
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I agree that is a classy Facebook post on Norton's part. Good for him and shame on me. Still, I stand by my assessment of the film and his performance and his failure to promote and his documented reputation as a very polarizing on set presence, at best. If you're Christian Bale and you're giving a strong performance in a huge box office hit, you can be a prima donna (though it's still uncool). Hopefully, this is a learning experience for Norton.
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So do you think audiences are going to be more WTF if Bana is the Hulk again or if it's some new third guy? I'm thinking the latter.
Truth is they should have done IH with him Jennifer Connelly and Sam Elliot and THAT'S THE REAL REASON IT DIDN'T DO AS WELL AS IT COULD HAVE. Not knocking the good work Ed Norton and Bill Hurt did but recasting was what REALLY confused audiences and made them indifferent. "Rebooting" with a completely different cast 5 years after the 1st one was a gamble that failed them. Ang Lee's film had PLENTY of problems but all they had to do was take that same cast, hire a new director and writers and do a good sequel that took out all the shit people hated about the 1st one. Like they did with "Wrath of Khan".
Eric Bana is the best choice since people already know him as Banner so audiences may actually give a shit about the character this time around. A third Banner(who god forbid might be played by Joaquin Phoenix of all people!?!?) would make him the Felix Leiter of The Marvel Movie Universe. If you can't fathom that logic then you sir are the moron. -
Jul 12, 2010 5:10:09 PM CDT
"It seems it won't work out for me to continue playing Bruce Ban
by blanket-man
So, Ed, you're telling us there's a CHANCE...!?
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Are you and Bill Hurt golfing buddies, or something? That was a total miscast. Jennifer Connelly and Same Elliott definitely would have made the movie 15-20% better.
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no one gives a fuck. phew!
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how dare you use scarletts name in vain you fuck
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Shit, I knew that was gonna come off as pretentious as soon as I posted it. I did once have a brief phone conversions with Chris Lloyd though. Seriously had to stop myself from bringing up the 1.21 Jigawats.
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If this means that Liv Tyler was NEVER Betty Ross and that the incomparable Jennifer Connelly is a part of Marvel continuity. She's long been a part of my own personal sexual fantasy continuity. Hubba fuckin' hubba! Fuckin' hear, hear for a guest shot (in the mouth - KERSPLAT!) for Mrs. Connelly!
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But Connelly makes up for any shortcomings in that movie. I see Hulk-fuckin'-poodles and I wanna kill, but then, like the Hulkster himself, my blind rage abates when I gaze at the sweet, sweet, oh, dear God, so sweet visage of Jennifer Connelly.
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He (Ed Norton) doesn't sound that difficult to work with...
http://www.edward-norton.org/articles/gq301.html
It sounds like Kaye needed help... "The two worked well together during the shoot and for most of post production. Their collaboration went off the rails, however, after Kaye took more than a year to edit the movie (most rookie directors get four months) and the studio sent Norton into the editing room to work alongside (and coax a final cut out of) Kaye."
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Sincerely. Yuck. She's like the MODERATELY pretty girls in my high school and college drama groups. Okay looking, but that's about it. Hot in comparison to some of the hags in theater, but definitely no great shakes. How fucking desperate are you when she's the end-all, be-all? Fuck, man, turn on a tv or go to the fucking beach or a club once in a while.
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He would actually get weaker when he turns into the Hulk... Actually, I liked the Matthew Fox suggestion. His performance in Lost shows that he could be forceful, intelligent, and a bit cukoo. Or if someone could channel Bill Bixby. His Banner was tough enough to challenge the Mob, but still tender enough to get his ass kicked by a Girl Scout.
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then edit in cutting room floor stuff from the last Hulk movie. Pour lemon juice on that gaping hole and staple gun it back together. The stupid funnybook fans won't notice.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=132298550142838#!/group.php?gid=132298550142838
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Was the "When Douchebags Collide" of productions. Tony Kaye was a pretentious egomaniacal commercial director who had sullied reputation in that industry for being difficult. He tried to pull that shit on a feature film (his 1st) and you combine that with pain in the ass Ed Norton. That movie is pretty good in spite of those two idiots.
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One of Paul Giamatti's interviews from The Lady in the Water also has some insight into working with EN: The Sunday Paper (7/23/06): Taking the plunge
You seem to have adjusted really well to your success of the last few years, but I'm sure you've known or worked with other actors before who weren't very well-adjusted, who were difficult to work with or hard to get along with.
Well, yeah, there are definitely people like that, and sometimes it can be really annoying, there's no mistake about it. But a lot of those people also happen to be really good actors, too, you know what I mean? I've got a movie coming out next month with Edward Norton ["The Illusionist"], and it's funny because he has such a reputation for being this intense, implacable guy. I've known the guy for years, and he's actually this really sweet guy. He just happens to also be very good and very dedicated at what he does. Russell Crowe was a guy who had a hard time leaving his role behind at the end of the day [during "Cinderella Man"], but that's because he's such a damn good actor. He's so into it, he's not even thinking about being that way, he just can't let it go. He's obsessive, but he's sensible enough that he doesn't put it on you, or at least he didn't with me. With him, it didn't feel self-indulgent or in-your-face, and believe me, I've worked with actors where it did feel that way. In some ways, it makes working with guys like Norton or Crowe so much easier for you. They're constantly living and breathing and thinking it on the set, never letting themselves down for a second, and it really helps keep you in it and on your toes. -
He should be old enough now to play a geeky scientist & young & inexpensive is what they want. Plus this kid has so much rage ala Hulk he gave himself a boner!
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You're really helping Norton's cause by comparing him to Russell Crowe, who is known for punching people out, giving Hotel people a hard time, and just generally being a self-important pain in the arse. There are enough really talented people acting or dying to have careers acting that the whole world will keep on spinning fine without icky, delusional people living an existence that perpetuates their ickiness and delusions of grandeur.
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oh shit, did u just try to insult me using a Seinfeld reference????? why would you even try that?? man, have you no shame?
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Are you a complete lunatic or are all these wacked out posts and excerpts some kind of ill-conceived running gag? Either way, you're creeping me out.
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when someone makes you look as bad as he id, it's time for some changes
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I think the idea is that the world is comign to an end soon so none of this friggen matters ... there will be no movie theaters in a few years.
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Jul 12, 2010 6:07:32 PM CDT
Cna't believe I'm saying this but I'm supporting Bayformers now!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Marvel won't get my money anymore. Although this decision was made after the Terrance Howard mess!Marvel are greedy, cheap bastards who don't like to honor contracts!I think it'll take RDJ getting fired before some fanboys finally get off Marvel nuts!
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His act was very disgusting and did Marvel no favors!This move by Marvel have open the eyes to fans on the dealings by Marvel when it comes to contracts!
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I do agree that there's no need for the passive aggressive press release with all the innuendo and what not. Just say that we've decided to go in another direction, and we wish Edward the best, etc. Unless he was just that much of a monster that Feige is restraining the urge to just completely unload. Hard to say.
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I will watch Edward Norton, Russell Crowe, Mel Gibson, and Zombie Marlon Brando in a DTV sequel to "Hot Tub Time Machine" before you'll get me to see Bayformers.
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He was pretty awesome as a scientist in EVOLUTION. Admittedly, not the best movie ever, but it showed that he wasn't limited to the Fox Mulder schtick. Besides, I'd love to hear how he tried to nail every piece of ass on the set.
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You know, when a guy has a conspiracy theory that he's dedicated to and truly believes in, that could very well be a guy who's discovered a conspiracy. But the people who's entire personality revolves around theory after theory, that's not a person who's 'in the know'. That's a person with a hero complex who is driven by a need to feel important. Conspiracy theorists are just about the most pathetic people on the planet. Alex Jones doesn't know shit, he just likes the feeling he gets from thinking he's one of the few with their eyes open in a world where everyone's eyes are closed. Give this guy a World of Warcraft account to artificially fulfill his need to achieve and I guarantee he'll be off the air a month later.
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I'm not one of these Colbert jock-riders, either. I'm just saying. I think he is a talented guy who could turn in a serious performance and I like the look of a Colbert-esque, geeky Banner.
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Casey Affleck. If they could get him.
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call him - 310-220-8904
once again, this guy blows. Check out what he's been involved with for Marvel, then how much of it is good and how much sucked (not saying it's ALL his fault, but I see a pattern emerging):
Good - X-Men, Spider-Man, X2, Spider-Man 2, Incred Hulk, Iron Man 1&2
Bad - Daredevil, 1st Hulk, Punisher, Blade 3, Elektra, Man-Thing, FF, X3, Spider-Man 3, FF2, Punisher War Zone.
Out of all of these franchises he let the 2 big ones go to shit (X-Men and Spider-Man) after 2 huge hits each. The 3rd franchise of what should have been the big 3 should have been Fantastic Four - and they both sucked worse than Daredevil and Elektra combined!
THEN...he re-boots Hulk with Norton which almost everybody loved...so he gets rid of him.
PLEASE take him away before he can turn Avengers, Thor, Capt, Ant-Man and Iron Man 3 into disasters!
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Kevin Feige and Kevin Costner and Michael Vick are colluding with Chevron to plot a takeover of BP, just as they colluded to bring about 9/11 and Betty White's recent comeback. WWW.INFOWARS.COM/IVEGONEBONKERS
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People, Norton was the only thing that held that flick together, and he's one of the top 5 modern actors by any rational measure. They CANNOT bring Bana back, because it would tie the flick in with that Ang Lee abortion (and anyone saying that his versio was better is just being a stupid contrarian douchenozzle).
A film like Avengers has a dangerously high probability of coming off as silly and embarrassing. It NEEDS serious actors like Norton to work.
It's in enough danger of becoming a glorified made-for-TV movie with Whedon at the helm as it is. They can't afford to dick around like this. Never mind the serious continuity issues in re-casting such a key character.
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It's a good thing we had Alex Jones to warn us of the Y2K apocalypse. Thanks to him I was able to convince my wife to take out a second mortgage to build our bomb shelter plus I was able to spend valuable time training myself to drink my own urine as well as re-watching all the terminator films to prepare for the rise of the machines. P.S. Take all of your money out of stock and invest it in gold coins. Also, please buy my set of videos which will show you how to make millions in the real estate market simply by eating one nutritious Strawberry shake each day.
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I used to think like you.
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Abortion as a metaphor for a bad movie. What is the fetus, and what would "full term" have looked like. Steve Martin is a better actor than Edward Norton. Val Kilmer is as good an actor as Edward Norton. Wack job Mel Gibson is as good as Norton. Forest Whitaker: as good as Norton. Bill Murray is as good as Norton. Steve Carrell: as good as Norton. Norton is in the Leonardo DiCaprio sphere of actors for whom pretension and taste for darker or more eccentric films is automatically interpreted as signs of their delicate genius (Co...stanza!!)
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the movie might do well, but it wont be hard to boycott. I already missed IM2. lets see...
IM2: no interest in Iron Man x2 with whiplash the most boring villain. Even though its Rourke, the story sounded boring. Mandarin please.
Captain America: starring the human torch who I never noticed as a real star. Probably wont be a great period piece, just a crap fest in time like Sherlock Holmes. I wont miss it.
Thor: looked good until I saw his armor. I'll proabably see it though.
Avengers: A phone in effort by RDJ, either no Favreu or half ass Favreu, a no name Cap, a no name Thor, a reast Hulk, maybe a few lesser know heroes. Hmmm I can see how that will play...its going be like a Watchmen Iron Man 2 baby/abortion.
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Oh fuck off. That blowhard picks up a banjo and all of a sudden he's considered an artistic genius.
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And I'll tell you why: Rick Jones. Not Dick Jones (He made a mistake.) Rick Jones. Without him, there wouldn't be a Hulk. There wouldn't be an Avengers. Therefore, by excluding him from the Hulk films, the AVENGERS movie is doomed from the get-go.
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Its because he is good, and tries hard to do a good job. That pisses most people off. Most people go to work, want to make money and not deal with shit. I guaruantee thats 99% of the mindset in Hollywood right now (including staff). You think Feige, Bay, any of the Twilight actors, Rothman etc stay up at night trying to make a bad ass story? No they just punch clock and do what they do best; explosions or save money or whatnot. So when someone comes along saying "my character needs motivations, here is a plot hole, why is he here, look I wrote a page of script for you, I want him to be 3 dimensional, I've been living and breathing this guy for 2 months, here is my input on what would really make him a strong character" it really pisses the punching clock guys off. Because they have to do more work. because that kind of guy is right sometimes. Because it ruins deadlines when someone tries to improve a movie thats "good enough" for them.
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I don't like your smokes, but I'd bet you are just about 100% right on with your assessment. Also, I'd like to point out that Norton tried to get Rick Jones into TIH, meaning he understood the importance of the character to the mythology.
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Look, 3 Hulks in 3 movies. This is not good. I liked Norton, he suited the character of Bruce Banner. The lack of consistency from Marvel is frustrating!
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what was the point of anything established in previous hulk film and how are they going to generate any continuity with this move? while norton may be difficult to work with there arent any solid options outside of him to make this work...just like pissing on your own shoes in regards to the work you ve been doing the last few films.
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The Hulk is who we want to see! So I can really care less. Just find some guy who gets angry after getting ruffed up like Baltor from BSG, or The skinny white guy from Hustle and Flow.
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Not the Hulk. So Nyeah.
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sounds like as good a choice as anyone? as long as he doesnt do his Jack crying thing...
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Rewatching red dragon, the incredible hulk, and almost every movie he has done since his first few -- the guy does not emote well.
Bill Bixby (while not playing the character from the comics), embodies who the hulk is -- a man trapped in a monster's body but willing to endure for the sake of going on. There is torment but also heart. To me, you can't separate the real ed norton from his characters. I don't buy the humility and therefore it does an injustice to the character. An unknown or other actor is more than welcome. Though norton had the physicality to play the role, there as to be an underlying warmth to the banner character himself -- otherwise why care that he becomes the beast?
Had they not been cast in other marvel roles, james mcavoy and sam rockwell come to mind. -
Fuck Disney, Feige, this new bullshit Spider-Man reboot, all their gawdawful franchise disasters (F4, Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, etc), their pointless & completely ridiculous X-Men prequel.....FUCK MARVEL! well at least Marvel movies....just sayin'
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You wrote: "Is the fact that they forced Jon Favreau to fire out Iron Man 2 in two eyars, after he said REPEATEDLY in interviews that he didn't think it would be enough time and might not do the film because of it." I totally agree that the IM2 script needed some serious reworking and development - however Favreau's concern was disingenuous. He was simply posturing himself and using the fanboy media as a negotiation tactic with MARVEL. That whole hubbub about him potentially not being signed was really about MARVEL low-balling his offer. Of course Favreau was offered the Avengers but he stood to make much more cheddar by directing Cowboys & Aliens. IM2 was scripted and put into production within approximately the same amount of time as IM1. I could have fixed the script problems in a weekend. There was enough time but for some reason the creative minds seem to have rested on their laurels and the good will fostered by the first film.
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Is too cool to be Banner. I guess they could dork him up a bit. Kind of seems like cool overkill or something, like casting Stallone as Peter Parker or something.
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bleh
The only Loki story I enjoyed was the Frog of Thunder one
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Steve Martin is a good actor, just deal with it. Watch Spanish Prisoner or Shopgirl or LA Story. I'm not excusing the guy for making Bringing Down the House or Cheaper by the Pink Panther pt 7. He hasn't done a good comedy film in decades, but he's a talented actor.
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he looks exactly like Ed Norton anyway. Or what about Jim Norton? He was great in Spider-Man
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How about Anthony Michael Hall's friend from Weird Science or Ralph Macchio?
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have you ever been so drunk on cock that you howled at the moon? dont deny it. dont deny yourself.
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that blows norton rules,but Adam Scott would make a good banner
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filming this disaster. If they get Juaqueen Phoenix, I can't wait till he freaks out on the set. By the way Joss how much of a losing streak are you on right now? Firefly: canceled. Serenity: Didn't make back its budget. Dollhouse: Canceled. Marvel will let you film this, but just like Louis on Hulk they'll take it away from you in the editing stage, and just like the little bitch boy you are you'll be out promoting this shit, and when everyone shits on it, you'll claim they edited your vision. maybe Marvel will let you do the Avengers tv series.
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I feel like MARVEL has once again breached the fan trust and enthusiasm they've spent so much time and talk cultivating (the first time: recasting Rodey in IM2).
Feige and others have pontificated frequently about the unprecedented MARVEL "cinematic universe" which they're endeavoring to bring to the screen. A big part of that is the growing continuity and overlap of the individual solo films which were designed to culminate in "The Avengers" film.
Recasting the Hulk breaks continuity and renders "The Incredible Hulk" obsolete. They're unlikely to use any of other actors from that film. Reading all the interviews from the three MARVEL Studios films so far has had me quite excited to see all the actors brought together in one film. Recasting a major solo player like Norton defies everything that MARVEL has done so far. I think they're resting too much on the idea that it's their characters and the characterization brought out by the actors.
Of course I'll see the film no matter what but consider me furious. It's unlikely that I'll be able to speak enthusiastically to others about what MARVEL has purportedly been building towards. -
should read: I think they're resting too much on the idea that it's their characters and NOT the characterization brought out by the actors.
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No update AICN?
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Your world is falling down around you and all you do is type, type away on a geek movie messageboard. You're no patriot, sir. You're a fucking loser.Here, have some more. PrisonPlanet says drink long and drink deep.
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Jul 12, 2010 10:09:53 PM CDT
Chud reporting Joaquin Pheonix may have the role..Rappin Hulk!!!
by mr dark
Wow , I dont know what to think about that one.. I hope Joaquin has gotten some foothold on his problems..I could see him doing a good acting job in this..I wouldn't want to see the hulk bust out a rap..
That Loki mother fucker got me under his powers.
I'll be bustin up shit for a couple a hours..
yeah well on second thought maybe thats what these guys are lookin for..I don't know what Marvel is thinking after going through all the shit to set this up and now changing the laid out gameplan.. -
have you ever spent time with an 11 year old boy and wanted more from him than he was willing to give?Who wants to see me tuck and do the peepee dance????
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I'm glad to see Ed appreciates our support. The man is a class act. I wish him well.....I even wish the Avengers project well, though I personally wont be seeing it due to this mess.
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the incredible hulk was awesome!
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Banner doesn't have a harelip
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...he would be perfect and, guess what, us fanboys love the bloke. He'd be a very popular, exciting choice that would show Marvel mean real business when it comes to competing with DC's quality.
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and he looks older than he is
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Which talkback currently has the best Mel related jokes? I know some of you have listened to the audio!
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on Letterman!
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Ted Kord, you are right. Why leave Rick out of everything?
Unless, they are saving him for his own movie. Where he retells the origin of the Hulk, and show how how he was everybody's sidekick or alter-ego at some point or another. And finish it with the Kree/Skrull War.
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what you said is bang on. i'm gonna use that from now on.
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All the movie fans want to see is the CGI Hulk anyway. Banner won't get much screentime.
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I could easily see him as Banner.
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Nonsense reads like a fuckin' short story written by some highschool fuckin' hooplehead. Are you sure you ain't been slammin' any of that fuckin' dope from those fuckin' Celestials? Because if some fuckin' cocksucker came into my joint...talkin' something like "neo-feudal slavery", I'd throw him off my fuckin' balcony, so he'd land ass-up, right in the fuckin' Thoroughfare.
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They just want to make scripts bettter, but they seem to be rude. Sucks for Norton.
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and he already gets angry.
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Jesus fuckin' Christ. With a name like that, you must certainly be into specialty acts.I know all about the plight of the lower class and that fuckin' nose-in-the-air upper class. As owner and proprietor of The Gem, I happen to also know a little bit about business, finances, cuttin' throats and the like. So, when it comes to fuckin' politicians, trust and action are two words I do not fuckin' acquaint them with. Those cocksuckers from Yankton will abide by that fuckin' statement. No, sir. When I see the boot heel of the politicians and corporations descend for my neck, that's when I make my move...close...for a little knife work.You, no doubt, grease up and grab fuckin' ankle.
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there would be at least some semblance of continuity. and norton's hulk was cool because it had that kind of man on the run vibe like the tv series
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She's butch enough.
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Your posts are startin' to reek of catpiss...cause I don't think you have the slightest fuckin' idea who I am.Al fuckin' Swearengen. Owner and proprietor of The Gem. Gold-mining camp of Deadwood. Fuckin' 1876.
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seriously Gerard Butler or even Katherine Hei--heighl---heyg..whatever the fuck her name is, they both combines should be the Bruce Banner. OF course this is a stupid stupid comment..but so was letting NORTON go..
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If there isn't gonna be another fantastic four movie they should get Ioan Gruffudd(Mr. Fantastic). I think he fits playing David banner if they don't recast Bana.
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Guy Pearce would be the perfect Bruce Banner.
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I Know the guy can act. His turn as one of my music heros, Jonny Cash,was good. But when he was on David Leterman he was a car wrech in slow motion. If this Idiot is not frelled (sorry watched Farscape all night)up on several diffrent drugs, I don't know what the hell is problem is. But if i was in chare that would be a real unnessary risk!
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I heard Howard himself say it was about him not getting paid enough. I'm not saying you're wrong but it's hollywood and a lot of statements float around when stuff like this goes down. That is BS that Marvel was trying to cut his salary. That is one of the most asinie excuses or reasons that i've heard why he left. I'm pretty sure that studios arent gonna set themselves up and make a film of this genre with sequel powwer and not sign the actors for future sequels upfront. Non of the actors that starred in the 1st IM had enough clout to say I'm not signing for a sequel now, i'll wait and see how this one does. No, they all signed for possible sequels, including RDJ. Howard wanted more cash period after the success of IM. That's straight BS that Marvel and Paramount went to this man and told him they were cutting his pay for no apparant reason other then studio greed while increasing his role in IM2. Also Don Cheadle aint working for no 250 grand. He's a talented actor with a solid track record. I highly doubt this man was paid less then 2 mil. I could see some truth in what you claimed if Someone like Shemar Moore was cast to replace Howard but Don f-ucking Cheadle?? An actor just as good if not better then Howard(depending on who u ask)and one that has a solid career and track record. Sorry dude you lost me on that one.
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The man shot his career in the foot himself. Where are all these good roles at if norton is one of the greatest if not thee greatest actor of his generation?? The guy has never opened a film big and the two films he did headline that made over a 100 million were based more so on the subject matter then Norton himself.
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Jul 13, 2010 4:21:59 AM CDT
I'll say it again, Norton ain't the problem facing this movie
by the founder
it's a mediocre director named Joss Whedon. Hearing that Zak Penn is writting this just leaves me feeling no confidence what so ever that a good flick will be made. Then again studios as most don't understand don't like to take gambles. They will us crappy directors and writers who have had success on past projects rather then try something new. They also don't want to put directors and actors with too much clout and power on board possiable lucrative films with sequel potential because they lessen their money making potential, so they will put lessor actors to save money and mediocre directors who HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS BECAUSE THEY ARE EASIER TO CONTROL AND WILL JUST SHOOT WHAT THEY TELL THEM.
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all others..Suck Cock by Choice.
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"The last we heard on the new Superman film was that Chris Columbus would possibly direct the film, which we all agree would be a terrible idea. This news has been debunked, and apparently it isn't true. According to our sources, Christopher Nolan's brother Jonathan is currently the unannounced director of the Superman reboot film. Word on the lot is that he is attached to direct the film, and has been on the studio lot working on pre-development stuff. It's also confirmation of a rumor that started back in February of this year. It was said at the time that a key reason behind Chris Nolan's producing role is to help out his brother. ... It was also revealed to us that auditions for the Superman reboot are currently taking place, and our source dropped the name of one actor who they know has auditioned for the film. This actors name is Zachary Levi, who you all now from the NBC TV show Chuck. It's unknown at this time what role he auditioned for, but one can guess that it was for the role of Clark Kent, a.k.a. Superman. Levi seems to have all the right Clark Kent qualities, and it seems like he's in good enough shape. I think he would be a nice fit for the role" Source: http://tinyurl.com/3x6dejb My two cents? Jonathan Nolan YES, Zachary Levi NO.
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First the sloppy insulting casting of Evans as Cap and now this. Marvel has a douchebag liar fucking up the Avengers. No way I'm seeing this. They need as many good actors as they can get with Ecans playing Cap.
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This whole thing is about not paying an actor what he or she feels they deserve for portraying a Marvel property. This is a repeat of Terrence Howard and Marvel would rather recast than pay. So, Marvel now proves they are all about the stock holders and less about the quality of entertainment they will now spew out across the big screen. The Dark Knight proved talent helps propel a movie and Marvel proves they will milk every property they own even if no one will see it.
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...all that effort to get RDJ to cameo at the end of the Hulk film that Norton played Banner in. There were even rumors that Tim Roth and the chap who played the Leader may appear in The Avengers. Hell even Liv Tyler could have had a small role if necessary. I know Norton has a reputation, and I would love to what he has said and done to talk himself out of this gig. Perhaps the character of Banner and the Hulk in movies is cursed, it never seems to work out right. I am not saying what the producers have announced about Norton was right or professional, however it has been alluded to in the past that he is a pain in the arse, and if he is not careful he is going to end up the way of Val Kilmer. A superhero character and icon is always bigger than the actor, especially in an ensemble film. Furthermore the second Hulk film was not a big enough film to warrant the return of Norton for the producers. Hell it will be four years old by the time Avengers came out. If Norton's film had Iron Man type success and impact the may have tried to work with him. Also, does anyone get the feeling that this film will not happen? I do...I really have the feeling that Thor and Captain America may underperform...
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The man has such a cartoon face he could've been great as something. Captain Planet or Captain Marvel. One of the Captains.
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I'm not so sure about that, man. Even if Thor and Cap do underperform, Marvel are not going to just quit making movies. For better or for worse, The Avengers will happen.
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When Edward Norton asked for creative input on Incredible Hulk, it was because he is a huge Hulk fan and wanted the film to be as close to the comics as it could be with how far the first film had taken it away....given that, Norton wanted the real Hulk fans to be pleased with the final product. I think, with the exception of how the Abomination looked, the Incredible Hulk film was pretty damn good. Norton is an amazing actor...anyone who says otherwise need only look at how different some of his roles were and how great a job he did (American History X, Primal Fear, Fight Club, Death to Smoochy, 25th Hour, The Score to name a few varied roles.)
So keep in mind, Marvel tries to paint Norton as a primadona, but he was trying to keep Hulk close to the comics. Imagine how bad IH would have been without Norton fighting for some continuity? When fans support Marvel in this fight, they are really saying its ok for Marvel to spit on the true comic fans if it can make them lots of money....and I for one am a huge comic fan and will not shell out money for crap. I refuse to support Marvel on this decision. If you are a real Hulk fan than maybe you should to. -
is dead
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No, I don't think it's a government institution. But that's part of the problem isn't it, that you actually think the fact that the Federal Reserve is run by a banking conglomerate is a secret that needs to be exposed, when just about everyone over the age of 12 already knows it. Wow, Alex Jones and discovered that people are greedy pricks, let's hope he isn't assassinated by black ops before he reaches the press.
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You know what I can't help notice? That a quick glance of www.prisonplanet.com contains no less than NINE advertisements on the front page that involve sending Alex Jones and his advertising associates money to learn about, and protect oneself from, the things he warns about. Which pretty much illustrates what a hypocrite this guy is, that what he's doing is the same thing as all the people he cries against are doing, *trying to scam people out of money*. He's just using a different, more annoying, and less effective scam.
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yeah, fits in real well with the ultimate version of the avengers.
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Well played, sir.
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Jones and ParanoiaPlanet basically turned 9/11 into a little cottage industry as well. Once they endorsed LOOSE CHANGE, they were like a magnet for every tin-foil nutter dollar you can imagine. As if all that Bohemian Grove, Northwoods, and moon landing shite wasn't specious enough.
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Though his turn in 30 Rock is enough to keep me open-minded on the idea. How about Hugh Laurie, if he can lose the 'asshole' shtick? Right now, I'd be happy with Broderick or Cusack.
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Yea let remove the only guy that made the Hulk movie any good, yea he put his heart into it and made chages to the script that made the movie better than the first. I hope Marvel isn't getting a big head and turn the Avengers into a Johon Hex movie.
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Just the fact that people seem to be getting dumber and dumber bothers me. You know, I mean we have all this amazing technology and yet computers have turned into basically four figure wank machines. The internet was supposed to set us free, democratize us, but all it's really given us is Howard Dean's aborted candidacy and 24 hour a day access to porn. People...they don't write anymore - they blog. Instead of talking, they text, no punctuation, no grammar: LOL this and LMFAO that. You know, it just seems to me it's just a bunch of stupid people pseudo-communicating with a bunch of other stupid people at a proto-language that resembles more what cavemen used to speak than the King's English.
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http://tinyurl.com/2drzm4c
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your keyboard wont work because you keep jizzing onto it you filthy fucking animal
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...while we're at it, why don't they also cast Steve Carell as Hank Pym? Way to fuck this up, FuckingSuits.
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Well said. Cyberspeak is a harbinger of the Apocalypse.
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B & N are 1/2 pricing Criterion Blu's and dvd's http://video.barnesandnoble.com/u/DVD-The-Criterion-Collection-of-Special-Edition-DVDs/379000756/?cds2Pid=14842&linkid=1604518
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either Hulk movie. And I saw them both. Am I alone in this?
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How brave would that be, also get Kirsty Swanson to play Buffy in a film if SMG won't do it.
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Let's rank some actors -
Rob Lowe - Good choice but might be a lttle old.
Eric Bana - Not bad but they aren't gong to do a reboot.
Jon Hamm - Probably the most interesting choice. A big change from Don Draper
Adrian Brody - Bad choice. Doesn't fit any Banner depiction I can imagine.
Bradley Cooper - Dye his hair black, could be good.
Brendan Fraiser - A little tall but could pull it off.
Jonathan Rhys Meyers - Could be a real sleeper. Smallish frame, Has good rage potential, see the tudors.
Vin Diesel - He could grow his hair out...just kidding he sucks. -
Jul 13, 2010 1:34:59 PM CDT
Edward Norton and Terrance Howard should do a movie together!
by snake foreskin
They could call it "A Couple Of Freakin' Idiots". The chick who played Madame Hooch in the first Harry Potter movie could make an appearance, too. The only caveat... there couldn't be a sequel. At least, not starring these morons.
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Oh, and it'd be nice if I could fellate myself while farting the White album, but I haven't quite mastered that yet.
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Shake and Bake.... You know what? That just happened!
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Death to Smoochy
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I don't advise a hair cut man. All hairdressers are in the employment of the government. Hair are your aerials. They pick up signals from the cosmos and transmit them directly into the brain. This is the reason bold-headed men are uptight.
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I've been talking to dead rabbits and feeding bloody walls. I've done horrifying things with salad tongs. It's really eaten into my social life.
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Bruce Banner should be a skinny uber-nerd like DJ Qualls!
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You know he'd rock the part!!!
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Douche!
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Come on Marvel what is it with any film set in the Marvel Universe over the last five years or so. The actors are changing quicker that the characters they portray in the comics change identities/killed off only to be re-invented. Its like the fictional world is starting to blend with the real world. First Hulk, then The Punisher, then War Machine and now Spiderman and Hulk again!!! If you are worried you keep casting the wrong actors for these roles then maybe its the casting agents that need changing. Surely Ironman 2 is proof that the scripts are more often the cause of dissapointment to fans than the actors cast in the roles? After all the actors can only interpret a script so much in a bottle necked script heading for a pre-determined finally like The Avengers. I don't want to see an Avengers film set in some shitty college, but the way things are going with Marvel films lately the only constant thing seems to be Stan Lee making a cameo these days.
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Monday he dont show up. Tuesday he shows up late. Wednesday he shows up... WE DONT WORK A WEDNESDAY!!!
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is banned from doing anything but Californication for the rest of his life. I was 24 episode seasons twice a year until he is dead.
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Look, They can easily sell it that IH was a sequel(which it was only with Nick Nolte retconned out and a new cast)to Hulk. I think it's a safe choice and he's a good actor who got stuck with a shitty director. But overall people have mostly fond memories of HULK for what did work, Bana and Connelly's chemistry was held back for this mopey maudlin crap but that doesn't mean they weren't right for the roles. The ILM Hulk seemed ridiculously overgrown at times but he probably gave the best performance in the film. This time around they can even justify his ridiculous size by the fact that he's battling a team of superhumans. It also makes Either way by bringing Bana back at least you hold on to some semblance of shit the audience doesn't have to worry about. Bringing in a third guy just shits on both the other films and it just adds another WTF factor to a film that already got enough darts to dodge.
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Can Christopher Eccleston do an American accent?
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Or shut the godamn movie down. There was supposed to a point to all this set-up wasn't there?! GODAMNIT BIG WIGS STOP FUCKING AROUND.
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This sucks, I loved the Incredible Hulk and Norton was a big part of that. I believed him to be as smart as Bruce Banner need to be and not recasting him is wrong.
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does SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK get banned i hear everyone ask?
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They have become whiny wimps. Its like eddie brock is in control.
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Fuck the ultra cheap ass Marvel films who can't even keep an actor in the same role for 2 movies in a row. I could see their point of view with Norton if this was the first time it happened, but I watched them fuck around Sam Jackson after they ripped off his likeness for years, fuck around Favreau after he made their most successful film, fuck around Mickey Rourke after his big career comeback and on and on and. Fuck 'em. They are too cheap to make real summer blockbusters. Next they will lube up their giant superhero cock and make Joss Whedon their bitch and half the people here will make excuses for them because they want to see more rubber suited bullshit. I hope these broke cocksuckers burn in hell.
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so what difference does it make who plays him? it's just going to be some green CGI blob bouncing all over the fucking place again anyway.
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Jul 14, 2010 7:15:21 PM CDT
Marvel don't care about the fans that made them rich.
by tikidonkeypunch
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