Ain't It Cool News (
Movie News

Ed Norton Squeezed Out Of THE AVENGERS? Looks That Way!

Beaks here...

When THE AVENGERS assemble next year on a soundstage in Manhattan Beach, it looks like they'll be introducing moviegoers to the third incarnation of Bruce Banner in as many films - even though Academy Award-nominated actor Edward Norton is apparently eager to reprise his role as the gamma ray-ed scientist. According to our good friend Drew McWeeny at HitFix, Marvel Studios has opted to cast an "unknown" in the role of Banner. As for whether this is a result of Marvel Studios' selective frugality or something else... well, I can't get a straight answer at the moment. What I do know is this: you only get one chance to make THE AVENGERS. So why not make it an all-star affair? Though I wasn't a huge fan of Louis Leterrier's THE INCREDIBLE HULK, Norton's portrayal of Banner was emotionally true to my memory of the comic book (as well as the CBS television show). He wasn't slumming. The character meant something to him. And while I wouldn't list it among his finest performances, I can't imagine an unknown walking into THE AVENGERS and outdoing one of the most talented actors of my generation. Look, Marvel's going to spend a ton of money on THE AVENGERS, so I understand their desire to cut costs wherever possible. But if Norton wants to be a part of the film (and doesn't want to fuck with the script), why recast? The build-up to THE AVENGERS has been a long, involved process - one that encompasses THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Shouldn't continuity matter at this point? Especially when you're not dumping a problematic actor for a better one (as was the case with Howard-to-Cheadle in IRON MAN 2).? I'm not as passionate about this as Drew, but if Norton wants in, let him in. You've come this far, Marvel. Don't cut corners on THE AVENGERS.

Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • July 9, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Good, more screen time for the Hulk.

    by ganymede3010

    And not some self important pompous actor.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST


    by Carolinamaestro


  • July 9, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by Carolinamaestro


  • July 9, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by Carolinamaestro


  • July 9, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Ok, now i'm looking stupid...

    by Carolinamaestro

    Like the folks over at Marvel, if they don't sign Ed Norton!

  • July 9, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Norton seems like a prima donna

    by Heckles

    How much screen time would he have? 20 minutes? Filming would be a week, max. Done and done. Get over yourself, Norton.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Its not about Norton

    by MisterMe2002

    I bet he would take a pay cut to be part of the movie...

  • July 9, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Damn, the cast is dropping like flies

    by RPLocke

    Poor whedon. Fucked again.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Maybe Banner will be CGI too.

    by Toilet_Terror

  • July 9, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Maybe there is no reason for a Banner in the film

    by Squashua

  • July 9, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    This is outrageous!

    by Ricky Retardo

    If they don't have Ed Norton, I hope they bring in Ralph Kramden.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I know!

    by azguki

    Danny Trejo!!!!!!!!!

  • July 9, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Here's why they parted with Norton.

    by ganymede3010

    If the Hulk is indeed the Villain(under Loki's control) in the first installment, I believe we'll see more of the Hulk instead of Bruce Banner. And there's no way Norton would be content with his reduced face time. And unknown wouldn't care-less, and he would come much cheaper.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Is it really so hard to work this shit out?

    by YoyodynePropulsionSystems

    God're fucking famous. Take a pay cut and be in a cool movie for five minutes. It won't sink your career. Nobody will be burning their copies of death to smoochie if you play a minor role in a successful franchise. Man Alive.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST


    by GoldBlade6

    Edward Norton probably wasn't happy that most of the movie centers around the Hulk (CGI) and not Banner, and without enough meat to the role, didn't want to commit for the price. But that's ok! It would be great if they brought back Eric Bana. I know people didn't like the Ang Lee movie, but Bana and Connelly were great.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST


    by Redmantle

    That's probably the case... he's probably the avengers antagonist as the Hulk, controlled or manipulated by Loki for a chunk of the film. A Hulk vs. Thor showdown is a must. Norton is a notorious diva and won't go for it. That's my guess anyway. We shall see.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    I disagree - Recast Banner

    by rustleabout

    I personally didn't care for Edward Norton as Bruce Banner. Look, he's a great actor, no doubt, but he is just not how I pictured Bruce Banner to look like, or behave. I'd prefer n "unknown" if the actor fit the bill better.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    And here is where the spiral begins...

    by Logan_1973

    Hail Joss if he can salvage this.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Maybe fulfilling Mark Millar's dream casting?

    by phool2056

    I love Edward Norton in general, and I liked The Incredible Hulk, but maybe Avi Arad just reread The Ultimates and decided to go with Steve Buscemi. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Marvel, don't fuck it up. That is all. Continue on.

    by Super Rabbi

  • July 9, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    The Answer's Obvious

    by TinkerTIW

    They didn't want to put up with his bullshit. I love Ed, but let's face it, he's had problems on one project after another.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by DarthFloyd

    Give Norton another stand-alone Hulk movie to appease him, then maybe his ego will accept a cameo in The Avengers.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Norton ISN'T a "problematic actor"?

    by Ribbons

    Doesn't he basically try to take over every movie he's involved with? Not that I approve of this decision, just saying. <br> <br> Marvel really needs to cut this shit out. This'll be, what... the fourth time they've lost or almost lost a great actor (and yes, I do count Terrence Howard as one of those)? They lowballed Sam Jackson and they almost lowballed Mickey Rourke straight out of Iron Man 2; think about how much worse that movie would be without his performance. You can say whatever you want about how you've been on board with Marvel before because Terrence Howard looks like a bitch and I hear he's an asshole in real life and blah blah blah, but threatening to write a character out of a movie just so you don't have to pay the contract YOU drew in the first place is a dick move. And by this point it should be pretty obvious to everyone that it wasn't just an isolated incident that needed to happen, but Marvel's modus operandi. <br> <br> They're under tremendous amounts of pressure to make money. I get it, sort of. But I still think that replacing Edward Norton would be a huge mistake. You're not going to find a better actor, and a great actor can make all the difference in the world (see: the Mickey Rourke thing). This is the first time something like this has ever been done; from a fan's standpoint, it'd be nice if they did it right.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I thought it was the hulk who changed..

    by AzzyAzzy, grey, smart, red, whatever. Not Banner. Oh well, so long as they all get iPad's like Harry's it'll be news worthy.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I swear to god I might not even see this fucking movie now

    by Angry Mike

    fuck marvel

  • July 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Your awesome name notwithstanding, if you think Norton's not willing to take a paycut to be in a cool movie for five minutes, you clearly haven't seen The Invention of Lying (spoilers!).

  • July 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Banner casting doesn't really matter.

    by ebonic_plague

    It'd be nice to have Norton for continuity's sake, but this movie is going to have way more serious hurdles to overcome than the role of Bruce Banner. Plus we still have to see how Thor and Cap pan out. Two underwhelming turds in quick succession could really put a cloud over the Avengers. Good luck Joss.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    This will save the film

    by Flexfill

    Norton was never right for Banner and the movie was stupid. A total stinking bomb. They don't need him and they know it. You have Downey, you have a fucking movie. Screw Bana, cuz he's even worse. Get John Hamm, done deal. You'll have a major hit. Period.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    I just want a Hawkeye movie with Renner

    by kdoc13

    With a decent director, I'm down for this.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by we_pray_for_mad_skillz

    It's not about some celebrity. It's about The Avengers. They should make it mandatory to recast for every sequel. It'll be just like the comics where different people draw them all the time.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Also, third Punisher actor was the best of the bunch.

    by ebonic_plague

    Whatshisname, Pullo from Rome. So maybe there's a precedent.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by we_pray_for_mad_skillz about as wrong for Banner as you can get.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Third Punisher was best.

    by we_pray_for_mad_skillz

    I still think Punisher could use a more Punisher-y costume though.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Bring back Bana

    by SingingConan

    He was good.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Big mistake

    by Neosamurai85

    Norton was great. By all means bring him back.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Didn't care for Don Cheadle

    by Ghostpirate

    I wanted to see Howard back as Rhodes. The change is jarring when you watch them back to back. Also, Howard seemed like a real guy who would was actually friends with Stark. Chealde was just a tight ass who was putting up with Stark.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I disagree completely. Continuity won't sink a movie, but it does make a difference if you're telling a larger story (and not just in an OCD way). Don Cheadle was fine in Iron Man 2, but I remember sitting in the theater during that scene where he and Stark were beating the crap out of each other and thinking it's supposed to show that these good friends have finally been torn apart, so it would've been a lot more meaningful if it was the man we actually saw him being friends with (in the first movie), as opposed to that new guy who showed up for a scene before that.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Of course, Hulk underperformed

    by Ghostpirate

    I'm sure they don't intend to make a sequel to to the Norton film at all. I imagine they are hoping to use Avengers to re-introduce Hulk and maybe spin this version off from that.

  • July 9, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    does it really matter?

    by frank cotton

    smells like a clusterfuck

  • July 10, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Penny Wise and Pound Foolish

    by Lang The Cat

    And I don't mean the clown. How stupid to pass up a really cool actor. The only reason you might pass up Norton is if RDJ refuses to work with him. And they both seem too professional for that.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Punisher problem

    by jbs9200

    The main problem with the Punisher is that he is a 80s action movie caricature in a comic book. When you round-trip him back to the movies, he seems even more silly and distorted.<p> As for Hulk, no one saw the 2nd movie, but I am betting that more people will see it because of The Avengers. You have a 2nd chance to pump some life into a past (sunk cost) movie. Why not do it?

  • July 10, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    You gotta wonder.

    by The Dark Nolan

    Is it the fact that Norton is full of himself and likes to pull Kevin Costner's on movies he's not directing or are studios doing a good job of making the actors look bad? They said the same shit about Terrence Howard thinking he was just as important as Downey Jr. Wonder what really happened? Either way, this movie is looking worse and worse. Too bad.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Cast PAUL WALKER!!!!

    by The Dark Nolan

    He's the age, how fucking sweet would that be? I'd believe he's a biologist!

  • July 10, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Avengers isn't looking so good

    by codecrackx15

    I've been a comic fan forever but I'm not excited for this. The Captain America movie doesn't seem so good because of Johnny from FF being cast, sorry...he just isn't right. the part should go to someone the same age a Robert Downey Jr. like the dude from Human Target. the Thor outfit literally sucks, the chain mail looks like leftover painted latex from batman's nipples, just does not work. I'd much rather keep Iron Man separate and take him in an even more tech/cyber punk direction and forget using magic and loki and stuff that just doesn't seem like it will work in alive action movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Depends on the story.

    by Yourbigpalal83

    If hulk is hulk for the entire film, then there is no need for Norton. Dont get me wrong he's a great actor, but if the hulk is going to be all CGI, and we dont see bruce banner in the flesh so to speak, then whats the big deal? But if banner is to have a part, i say pay the guy a fair price. Also he should have to come down too on his asking price if its a bit too high if hes that crazy about being in the film. Gota make sacrifices somewhere right? Also, your doing an huge cast, going toe to toe with robert downy jr! That coupled with a 200 plus million dollar budget which im sure it will be, (i dont see how it wont) Its not feasable to pay every a list actor top rate in a film where there is no central main character

  • July 10, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Don't know about this...

    by Kontarsky

    Could care less about Loki in the Avengers film, considering the horrible casting of him. I used to be a huge comic THOR fan but lost interest in all of that, including the upcoming film. That said, I liked incredible Hulk a lot, and I think I'll be passing this film up if Norton's not going to reprise his role. Also, I think the Avengers director's a hack.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk is underrated.

    by JonQuixote

    Not phenomenal. But it keeps it simple and low-key - a strong character arc with Banner discovering the inherent humanity of his alter ego, some tres cool action sequences, and good performances and easter-eggs all around. Screw the AVENGERS, I'd like to see another Hulk movie with Norton. It's a freakin' shame if they don't go back to that well. *** The one thing I would like to see in a new HULK movie though is to give the Hulk some personality, beyond "RRRRARH!" I want to see "Hulk is strongest one there is Hulk!" not grunting growling Hulk. Hulk has (had?) so much personality back in the glory days but every adaptation incarnation I've ever seen completely misses that.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

  • July 10, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Howard as Rhodes

    by NippleEffect

    a limp wristed squeeky voiced girly man War Machine<p> right......

  • July 10, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST


    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    He would demand input about how the Hulk would act and would drive up the cost of an already expensive movie. Geeks accept so many continuity crimes that I'm sure they're more concerned about control and cost.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    You don't think it's because of the Hulk difficulties

    by Jaka

    I mean, it seems like a pretty obvious reason. There was tension before, so just remove it this time around. I agree with all your reasons for why he should be in it, though.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    prob just age

    by flipster

    bad as that is

  • July 10, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Actually, I think Norton is one of the five finest actors working in Hollywood.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Okay who's excited for the next Mel Gibson movie?

    by Orionsangels

  • July 10, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    How do YOU know he doesn't want to fuck with the script?

    by V'Shael

  • July 10, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Marvel's screwed up the Hulk

    by MapMan

    Marvel screwed up big time with the Hulk. Ang Lee made a great Hulk movie and for some reason the masses disconnected with it. Marvel's attempt at a reboot fell flat. It could have been premiered on TV as it looked pretty low budget and was pretty dull. I forgot it the moment I left the theatre. But I still rank Ang Lee's Hulk up there with the best super hero movies. <br><br> I just don't understand why they didn't do a sequel with Bana and Connelly. Maybe the first one was a failure but why go back to the drawing board and throw everything away? The new movie certainly didn't blow Ang Lee's movie away in any respect. <br><br> Maybe Marvel will just ignore the Hulk altogether for the Avengers movie. That's my hope.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Actually liked Bana's Banner better.

    by njscribe44

    Try saying that five times fast! Didn't hate the Norton "Hulk" film, but Bana seemed to capture Bruce's repressed doormat nature better. Also want Ant-Man in an Avengers flick.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson and Mickey Rourke

    by enderandrew

    Remember how not only did Marvel show Howard the door, but they didn't want to pay Jackson or Rourke any money for Iron Man 2. I suspect this is a matter of Marvel being super-fucking-cheap. I had zero expectations for Incredible Hulk and was really impressed actually. Why screw up what they started?

  • July 10, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    GTFO Marvel -- You Suck

    by KISSman24

    I'm pretty f'ing excited about this movie, but this news is like a punch to the gut. Norton HAS to be in this movie -- and yes, it matters. He is STILL The Hulk. The thing that will make the Avengers the mega-movie that it should be is not just having a bunch of superheroes together on the big-screen, but to have all the proper starts who played them as well. This news pisses me off to no end.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Hitfix Exclusive? FAKE NEWS !!!!

    by james4543

  • July 10, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I liked Bana's Banner better anyway

    by Phategod2

    so bring back bana please.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    don't see why marvel films are still buzzworthy anyway.

    by RedHorseVector

    the only comic book movie i give a fuck about is the next christopher nolan batman.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Hitfix is 100% BULL SHIT news site!

    by james4543

  • July 10, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by Johnny Smith

    If this happens, I will blame all of you assholes.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    According to our good friend Drew McWeeny Spiderman is....

    by james4543


  • July 10, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    This makes Hulk ANGRY!

    by FrankManhattan

    Another no-brainer that flew over the heads of production.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    When Thor tanks, it won't even matter

    by I_am_the_ultimate_product

    Joss Whedon is cursed.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    I say BOO!

    by sweeneydave

    Boo, I say.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Bikini (Ed hardy,polo) $18

    by 2jordanercom --------- a leading worldwide w holesaler company (or ucan say organization). We supply more than 100 thousand high-quality merchandise and famous brand name products all at wholesale prices.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Bruce Banner = Neil Patrick Harris

    by dailysportspages

    You know it in your bones.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Did this news come from Slashfilm or

    by RPLocke

    whatever the fuck that shitty movie site is? Or fucking Total film?

  • July 10, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Kevin Bacon cast as Mr Sinister

    by dailysportspages

    You heard it here first.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    The costume for Cap and Thor look

    by Dingbatty

    like they were squeezed out, as well...<p>Doesn't Disney have the money to pay Norton?

  • July 10, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Come on.

    by CoursinLarry

    I really hope Norton winds up doing it. Like was said in the article, The Avengers has to be a huge, huge thing. The fact that all these characters are in one movie is cool, sure. But the fact that they've taken several films to build up to this one requires all the players to be involved. Otherwise, what was the point?

  • July 10, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    We were looking forward to Norton & Downey Jr

    by Axl Z

    Bollocks. This I'd the worst news ever. BRING BACK NORTON!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    If Banner's in it, Get Norton!!!!!!!

    by DKT

    Edward Norton loves the character. Please do not pass him by on this.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    There's no way the studio will lose money on this film...

    by skiprat1

    ... that can't be a factor. It sounds more like a preemptive move in order to lay blame on someone else later. And to screw with continuity now really sucks. Personally I LOVED Norton as Hulk, and would love to see another couple of Hulk movies with him - which I realize will more than likely never happen - as well as Avengers. I'd love to see his Banner on screen opposite Downey and the rest, he's absolutely the most relatable character, and IMHO the best actor (yes he's slummed it in the past, big deal). If you ever read this Edward Norton, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE. And bring back Tim Roth as well.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Bruce Banner could be played by an extra

    by INWOsuxRED

    If you make another stand alone Hulk and just spend an extra day or two filing the Avengers cameo, all works fine. With that said, I want to see Hulk and I don't care if we see Banner at all. He may be utterly pointless in this film. I also found both Bana and Norton to be adequate. I'd be fine with Bana returning too. I could honestly care less, I just hope they have a good cgi Hulk and that the next few Marvel movies don't crap in the punch bowl before the party starts. The list of folks who own comic roles is incredibly small. Robert Downey Jr. is about the only actor who feels like he actually owns a character in the Marvel universe right now.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    For real, get Norton

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    I'm itching to see Norton bounce lines off Downey Jr. and Jackson and company. That'd be good times.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    How the fuck...

    by Bootskin

    ...anyone can STILL go on about how great Ang Lee's Hulk is, completely mystifies me. Yes, the father connection was in the movie...that was about the only good thing carried over from the Peter David glory days. Hulk Dogs, and engineering the Hulk with frog DNA completely fuck that movie. Nick Nolte chewing scenery (and electrical cables..) just destroys it. Oh..and by the way...Banner Sr isn't a super-villain, he's fucking dead. He fell and cracked his skull on Mrs. Banner's tombstone while trying to kill Bruce at her graveside. Fuck Ang Lee's Hulk, fuck it in it's stupid Gamma Frog DNA ass.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST

    It'll probably be Cap'n and Thor

    by Bass Ackwards

    teaming up with Iron Man in costume and CGI Hulk, that way they don't have to pay a cent for RDJ or Norton. Have a new black guy play Rhodey just for shits and giggles. Maybe Sam Jackson?

  • July 10, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    "Danny Glover opts out of next Lethal Weapon."

    by The Dark Nolan

    Come on, everyone's thinking it!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 2:20 a.m. CST

    It's impossible for these mooks to make a quality Avengers movie

    by Star Hump

    They're just not talented enough. There's really no use in sweating the details. Marvel Studios will find a way to fuck this up. And they're well on their way. Get ready for a shitball story infested with Whedon-talk.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I think all this in universe stuff is ruining marvel films


    Look at iron man 2. Look at all the time wasted with shield and scarlet that bloated the film, slowed the pacing and gave us less of things like mickey rourke, who ruled in that movie and deserved more screen screen time. Im sorry geeks but no one gives a shit about that "in universe" stuff but you.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    norton's not a "problematic" actor? please

    by rogerdodger21

    the dude's the most notoriously difficult actor ever. he interferes with the fucking editing room, and it seems it's mostly to slightly improve things instead of really fixing anything. he's damn talented, but with all of the other egos involved, it would make the film 10x more difficult to produce. he had his chance. that hulk film was a failure (again), and they need to wash it down the drain and let someone else try since it's only one piece of a new team franchise. there are plenty of guys who could do it just fine. terence howard was the marvel example - no matter how talented you are, nothing is more important than the film.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST


    by old_man_and_the_sea

    Norton's Banner was pitch perfect. Respectful of the comic and the TV show. If they remain respectful Cap America could be a lot of fun too but I'm not sure about Thor. I can see that one screwing the pooch. If I'm wrong and they still get to make the Avengers I'll be disappointed not to see Ed Norton back.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Okay, I now have a bad feeling about this

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 10, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Norton and Howard cut themselves out

    by The Founder

    I liked Norton as Banner and yeah it would've been cool if he was onboard but if the guy was being difficult then axe his @ss. We don't know the real reason why Norton parted but I say more money on FX and not a bloated salary for Norton. Terrance Howard has never been a good actor to me. Now don't misunderstand me cause the guy is a good actor but when i say not good I mean not good character wise in anything i've seen him in. I just never connected with the the guy and the roles he's played. Howard wanted more money then what he was worth for IM2. I thought Cheadle was better but not right for Rhodes either.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    NPH as Bruce Banner?

    by JasonZumwalt

    I like it. Very interesting.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Are you reading the same article I read?

    by Voice O. Reason

    Everyone keeps saying its Norton's choice not to be in this movie when the article clearly says he wants to be in it.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Still more right than wrong thus far

    by bishopfan85

    When I dissect the Avengers build up I can't help but to feel that they've done much more right than wrong thus far unlike the X-Men Franchise which technically only got Wolverine, Magneto and Professor X right and almost everything else wrong. Robert Downey Jr. is the Avengers golden nugget as the most spot on Iron Man imaginable. Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury also a home run. We won't know for certain whether Cap and Thor are right until next year but I'm willing to bet both will be winners. Ed Norton's Hulk film was not the definitive Hulk movie and personally I preferred the lesser heralded Ang Lee Hulk film over it for a variety of reasons even with its own flaws. I'm willing to welcome a new face to playing Bruce Banner because I trust that they will be as smart as they were with the recasting of Terrance Howard for Don Cheadle, they know what it will take to make that role work in an ensemble film. It certainly would have been great to see Norton working amongst the rest of the crew but I doubt losing him will destroy the potential for the Avengers to be one of the best team based Superhero films to date, sadly it doesn't have much competition thus far.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    I had to kill Ed Norton because he made a mistake...

    by DickJones

    If for some reason or way all that gets shown is the big bad green, then I'm okay with it. But if they're actually showing Bruce Banner (and they should) then I think it's a shiatty decision.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Terrible Decision

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    The Incredible Hulk was a great movie, flashes of it were better than Iron Man in my opinion. But what can you do.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    I hate the Hulk as a character

    by clupula

    and I actually liked The Incredible Hulk. As far as I am concerned, Norton is Banner now, just as Downey is Stark. If Norton isn't in there, just keep the character to Hulk, without any Banner appearances.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I hear Tobey Maguire has some free time... :)

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Give HIM a call. He gotta eat.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Flashes of "Incredible Hulk" BETTER than Iron Man???

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Must've been the flashes when I blinked my eyes during the film. Can't recall a second of the Hulk re-make that equaled, much less SURPASSED, anything in the first Iron Man movie!

  • July 10, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Let the panic begin.

    by Triple_J_72

    Here we go, fans... countdown to failure.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST


    by barnaby jones

    Bad move, the whole point of this Avengers movie WAS bringing the whole cast of super heroes together, not just recasting.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST

    McWeeny? BWHAHAHAHAH!!! This story will flop in 24 hours.

    by Mike_D

    trust me.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Edward Norton is the MAN!!!

    by bloodawn5

    Come on he delivered an Interesting Bruce Banner. In contrast to Eric Bana who was such a boring Banner in his scenes, Norton's Banner was interesting, all the scenes were exciting and entertaining, especially that chase in Brazil. Give us Edward Norton or send Hulk out!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Let's get A) another source and B) casting is way too early

    by Tall_Boy66

    how soon did we know who was going to be Thor and who was going to be Captain America before they started shooting? Like, a fucking week? Seriously, settle down

  • July 10, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    "I understand their desire to cut costs"

    by BurnHollywood

    Yeah, 'cause those IRON MAN movies barely broke fucking even, right? I hear they had to have a bake sale to make the budget...<p> Cheapskate cocksuckers. Fuck 'em up the ass with Thor's mighty hammer.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    C'mon of the initial main fucking selling points of an Avengers film was seeing these top actors, once established in their own solo films, uniting in ONE big Avengers film. They even went as far as to directly link the IM and IH movies! Now they want to jerk us and give Norton the shaft. BULLSHIT! First I'm not even sure I buy all the stories about him. Everyone repeats that bullshit about Norton but I rarely see any one offer up solid evidence of Norton's shitty behavior. And even if that is the case....who gives a flying fuck? Norton is a talented actor and sometimes it's worth manning up (as opposed to being whinny pussies) and dealing with minor negatives to attain greater positives. Leave it to marvel to toss CONTINUITY out the window in order to save a few bucks and not have to deal with "problems". Seriously if Norton isn't in this movie....fuck this movie. This recasting bullshit started with IM 2 and now it's already becoming a habit. Norton deserves better treatment.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:52 a.m. CST

    And so the masterplan unravels...

    by Mr Gorilla

    Guys - didn't you explain this to everyone when you first sign them up? Who is your business guy? Look at the Star Wars prequels, or Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings. It's not that complicated - but you do need an idea of what the films are going to consist of, what they are going to be about... For my money, Ang Lee's HULK is more and more looking like the most interesting Marvel world film of the last ten years - followed swiftly, of course, by X2 and Spider-Man 2. But Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk? SHeesh, no thanks.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST


    by Troy McNamara

    Seriously Marvel, you need to get your shit together if you wanna make Avengers fucking awesome! Kevin Feige said he wanted Norton involved and Norton wanted to be involved as well so why can't you kiss and make up?! When you want big celebrities like Sam Jackson, Mickey Rourke, and Ed Norton in your movies, EXPECT TO PAY THEM SOME FUCKING CASH! Get your heads out of your ass and keep Norton! Norton wants to do it so let him be in it for Christ's sake!

  • July 10, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Norton was never great, bring back Bana

    by reflecto

    From the far better Hulk film.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:04 a.m. CST

    If Norton wants in he should be onboard.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Fuck all these assholes claiming IH was a flop. It did well enough, it outgrossed its predecessor, sold well on DVD & Blu and has a solid amount of fans. Best of all it has a ton of potential for awesome sequels.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST

    LoL @ "bring back Bana"....that ship has sailed.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    For better or worse Bana was replaced and that version of Hulk was overwritten. For the record I was never a fan of that flick so I could care less. For those you who liked that film better, to each his own. Enjoy your weird Hulk dogs and crazy Nick Nolte dad character. I'm just pissed to see Norton (from the better Hulk film) potentially about to go the same route as Bana.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST


    by 11dayempire

    You came *this* close to losing Samuel L Jackson and Mickey Rourke because of your penny-pinching, and you did lose Terence Howard. If some cunt in a suit prevents us from getting Norton and Downey Jr on-screen together, The Avengers - and Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America - can kiss my box office dollars goodbye.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST

    dont they have him on contract already?

    by ahdvd

    Makes no sense to recast a single one of them as they'll most likely be revisiting most of the avengers characters who have seperate movies again and it just wont cut the muster to have them recast, only to have Norton return in the next seperate hulk movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Thor and Captain America - can kiss my box office dollars goodby

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I second that. If marvel wasn't thrilled with Norton why'd they bring him on to begin with??? They could have went with "an unknown" back then and saved money. Instead they teased fans with this idea of an epic film uniting these top actors which is turning out to be bait and switch bullshit. For the record Cheadle was fine but IM2 would have been better with Howard simply for CONTINUITY sake...which is actually important. Good luck showing a relevant flashback in future films when you keep switching actors like cheapskate cunts. So much for creating a consistent cinematic superhero universe.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    KilliK WRONG....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    According to multiple links and articles I've read IH outgrossed Hulk. "The film got mixed (though mostly favorable) reviews and as of now has a worldwide take of over $349 million dollars, that includes box office, DVD and Blu-ray sales. Even though the second movie outgrossed the first, the sequel is a bit shaky." wiki "The film, even though it barely passed its predecessor, and equalled if the smaller budget of the first film is taken in to account, is still considered successful"

  • July 10, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    friends that worked on the Hulk said...

    by Brannagins Law

    Norton was really difficult to work with, had a lot of demands and wasn't pleasant. Not like Sam Rockwell who Marvel and crew loved working with. The mumblings were they'd much rather have Sam in his place after working with him on Iron Man 2.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    "The film outgrossed its predecessor and generally received more

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Here's YET ANOTHER LINK....."The film outgrossed its predecessor and generally received more positive reviews." .............this is the shit I hate on the internet. People who are clearly fans of the first film sit around and mistakenly say IH flopped or "grossed less" and back up their bullshit claims with NOTHING. And now will come the part where they will mysteriously disappear.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    "boo hoo he wasnt easy to work with!"

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    First - I don't know what "friends that worked on the Hulk said Norton was really difficult to work with" means. Regardless - imagine having to go to work with someone you don't like??? WOW that's something I'm sure none of us are remotely familiar with! Only an asshole would deny a talented actor such as Norton b/c they can't cope with him being "difficult". He's a human being. maybe people should try communicating with him as opposed to apparently talking shit about him.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Aren't we missing something

    by Liveforfilms

    All this talk that Norton won't be Banner in The Avengers movie has got me wondering something. When exactly did Drew and everyone see the script that says Banner and the Hulk are going to be in the movie? Just curious.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk did perfectly well at the B.O.

    by 11dayempire

    It just had the misfortune to be released in the same year as Iron Man and The Dark Knight, both of which overshadowed it. And if anyone had actually READ Drew's piece, they'd see that Norton is enthused about the film and has cleared space in his diary - hardly the act of a prima donna. I hope and pray that this is just Marvel playing hardball and trying to drive Norton's salary down (they have past form wrt Rourke and Jackson, and it certainly casts the Terence Howard situation in a different light). But if an actor other than Norton steps out at SDCC, I hope Marvel gets booed off the fucking stage. Marvel Films is dead to me if they drop the ball on this one because of their penny-pinching.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Maybe This Is Because Of Garfield

    by DutchRudder

    $500,000? They are going to be getting alot more "Unknowns" for things. If there is no Norton then count me out. It would be a different story if he didn't want to do it.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    "Hulk is about the effects"

    by 11dayempire

    Jesus fucking wept. No, Hulk is about the duality of the character and Bruce Banner's attempts to suppress the murderous creature within him. Without a good actor - like, say, Ed Norton - playing Banner, the Hulk's CGI rampages are just empty effects sequences, with lots of bangs and flashes but no emotional core.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Bana! Bana! Bana!

    by tkobird

    Bana brought some soul to the role. Norton just whines. He's annoying.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST

    EXACTLY 11dayempire

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Just to recap...people within this TB have repeatedly claimed IH either flopped or made less $$$ than Hulk which is factually WRONG according to what I've read. They also promptly disappeared unable to respond with evidence to support their own bullshit and lack the balls to admit just being wrong. Then the predictable prima donna chants started up...again very little substance was offered to back up that generic bullshit. Nor was a counterargument mounted to oppose the fact that Norton supposedly being difficult doesn't necessarily mean recasting with some shitty unknown = the right choice.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Bana isn't coming back......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ....again that ship sailed in 2003. Last I heard it sunk with some horrible CG Hulk dogs, a brooding electro Nick Nolte, a pretentious story and boring flat actors.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Norton or nothing.

    by Obscura

    id much rather just have the hulk stay as the hulk for the entire movie than have someone fucking with continuity. Get Norton back.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    They don't want to deal with Norton's

    by Laserhead

    controlling ego. Norton tries to wrest control of every movie he's in since American History X ("I need to re-write the screenplay! I should direct!"). He did the same thing with The Incredible Hulk, and nobody wants to deal with the shit any more.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Aside from a few people...........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    .......already this news is spreading and many fans are disgusted with marvel. Here's hoping that they take notice and do the right thing. It takes money to make money. Seems everyone in Hollywood wants to reap huge rewards but pussy-out when it comes time to put up some $$$. So long as they can get a Kmart bargain who gives a shit if it's at the the expense of continuity, loyal fans and the good of the film. Sort of the same reason the Hobbit is in the shitter - greedy, unimaginative, shortsighted cunts who care nothing about the art of film.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    CGI Bruce Banner?

    by thatswhatshesaid

    Don't put it past them folks....

  • July 10, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk was funnier than Ironman 2

    by CuervoJones

    Admit that.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST are completly WRONG.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Norton didn't "wrest control of IH", Leterrier and Marvel, willingly allowed him to guide the project and let him tighten up and rewrite the script. "nobody wants to deal with the shit any more." Yes again I see this piss poor argument trotted out. Common folks go to work everyday and work with people they don't like. But all of a sudden in Hollywood that is impossible to do? All of a sudden that's enough of a reason to recast a major role for a THIRD fucking time (with a shitty unknown) and toss continuity in the toilet and fuck over fans of Norton & IH? Edward Norton was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor for his performance in American History X. I could find no evidence of what you are talking about. Do you care to post at least one link to back up your claims which are completely irrelevant to the subject anyway?

  • July 10, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST

    I am completely RIGHT

    by Laserhead

    Why do you think NOBODY casts Norton anymore, and he's reduced to do TV cameos now? Why don't you google "American History X" "Ed Norton" "Edit" "Screenplay" "Fight" and see what comes up? It's not my fucking job to make sure you can follow a fucking ten year old story. NOBODY CASTS NORTON IN ANYTHING ANYMORE, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? I could give a shit if Norton is Banner or not. It's not exactly 'Hamlet'.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Norton "wrests control" of the film…

    by 11dayempire

    …and we get The Incredible Hulk, an excellent adaptation of the source material that surpasses Ang Lee's film in pretty much every respect. Louis Leterrier directs a film without Norton sticking his oar in and we get Clash of the Titans, which is… well, not great.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    it's really neat that you can do "maths" and ignore MULTIPLE links that state the complete opposite of what you are claiming but that doesn't necessarily make you right. You said QUOTE "from the moment his film was a flop." (which barely makes sense but whatever) So you define a "flop" as something that made 350 million dollars, is listed on multiple sites as "outgrossing its predecessor", was received well with critics...and has elicited a heated response the second news drops of it's lead actor not returning?

  • July 10, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST



    No, not Bruce Banner. Hulk. Put green paint on him and make him go "Grrrrrrrr!"

  • July 10, 2010, 5:34 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ....that's fascinating that you actually admit it's a "fucking ten year old story" which again begs the question - what's the point of bringing it up??? ALSO - weak move sidestepping my point about people suddenly unwilling to work with supposedly "difficult" people. "Why do you think NOBODY casts Norton anymore" Although it's not my fucking job to make sure you check IMDB - if you did you'd notice Ed actually has a few projects in the works such as Rounders 2 and Motherless Brooklyn. Too bad that info doesn't jive with your hyperbole.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I've learned that they're saving $$$ with a non-CGI HULK as well

    by planetran_fan

    Yeah. They're casting Gabourey Sidibe as the HULK, and just spray painting her green. This probably has a much accuracy as that rumor that Sam Jackson wasn't going to continue playing Nick Fury some time ago.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    KilliK you've yet to refute one of my points....

    by fat_rancor_keeper why should I be bothered considering anything you claim? Again - YOU SAID IH WAS A "FLOP" So do YOU define a "FLOP" as something that made 350 million dollars, is listed on multiple sites as "outgrossing its predecessor", was received well with critics...and has elicited a heated response the second news drops of it's lead actor not returning? Go ahead - proceed to NOT answer that question. Proceed to be the predictable person you've established yourself as and respond with some lame crap or sidestep my point yet again.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I knew this was going to happen..

    by emeraldboy

    i knew they were going to recast the role. again. norton is such an asshole. as an actor.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk…

    by 11dayempire

    …was a faux-clever, pretentious pile of arse that rammed the lead character's contrived daddy issues down your throat and resorted to ludicrous visual trickery like the split-screen effect to try and distract audiences from the paucity of the plot and characters. Also, Hulk Poodle. Norton's Hulk was a well-plotted, faithful adaptation that drew on the best of the comic and the TV show and married it to a well-drawn character study of Bruce Banner, with some killer action scenes.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ KilliK.........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    at least admit you were stretching the truth about the IH movie being a flop. A flop is something like Howard the duck that is a mess and a complete loss for everyone - and is mostly hated by fans. IH is far from that.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST


    by DarthBodie

    Marvel, what really legitimizes genre and comic book movies is real acting talent, to not have Ed would be a mistake. Not to mention the continuity would suffer too, because one would be watching Hulk and in the back of one's mind would be thing "What would Norton have done with this?"

  • July 10, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    11dayempire again........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I completely agree. But at the same time I can't fault anyone for liking it (though I may goof on it a bit). If people like it that's fine but I'm not a fan. The thing I get the vibe that the same people in here screaming about IH being a flop and Norton being an asshole are bitter Ang Hulk fans.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST


    by JonChambers

  • July 10, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Edward Norton is a Dumb, Trouble-Making Dick. Glad he's out!!

    by JonChambers

  • July 10, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Not casting Norton is a deal breaking for me. Not kidding.

    by IndustryKiller!

    If he's not cast I won't see the film, and I don't think I'm just speaking for myself when I say word of mouth wills tart turning against it. Now i loved Iron Man 1, and I really thought a lot of Incredible Hulk was great (but it still had flaws and Norton was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about injecting more character) but Iron Man 2 took a lot of the wind out of my Marvel movieverse sails, and that film proved that Sam Jackson is going to be an unwatchable Sam Jackson parody in the character of Nick Fury, so right there the film has that going against it. Then there is Joss Whedon, who MIGHT be good, but his horribly overrated Astonishing X-Men run (in which every character became a jokey Joss Whedon charicature) certainly doesnt boost morale. And lets face it, it can't be Downey alone, that's not enough gravitas for the team, Evans might get there eventually but he needs time and Hemsworth just aint the guy for that, the film needs another brilliant actor to ground the film in something other than constant theatrics in as small amount a time as possible. Edward Norton is that guy, no one else.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Nope. Nobody wants to work with Norton

    by Laserhead

    He has 'projects in the works'? Ha! Who the fuck DOESN'T? Freddie Prinze Jr. has 'projects in the works'. I repeat, why do you think it is that a very good actor whom audiences feel some comfort with NO LONGER GETS ROLES? Too bad that jibes exactly with my statement (and indicates it's not hyperbole). Jesus, go back to whacking off to old issues of US with Norton in them. Or play with Star Wars toys. Whatever.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Nope. Nobody wants to work with Norton

    by Laserhead

    He has 'projects in the works'? Ha! Who the fuck DOESN'T? Freddie Prinze Jr. has 'projects in the works'. I repeat, why do you think it is that a very good actor whom audiences feel some comfort with NO LONGER GETS ROLES? Too bad that jibes exactly with my statement (and indicates it's not hyperbole). Jesus, go back to whacking off to old issues of US with Norton in them. Or play with Star Wars toys. Whatever.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING JUST AS PREDICTABLE AS I KNEW YOU COULD BE and not answering my questions! As far as I can tell from my sources the film grossed $263,427,551 in worldwide box office and it made $85,755,879 in home video sales, bringing its total film gross to $349,183,430. (which I'm sure is your bizarre definition of a flop right?) To answer your question (as opposed to what you are frightened to do in my case) I could give a fuck less about boxofficemojo. Could be accurate, could not be...could be you cherry picking info to serve your purposes. As far as I see it if multiple sources online state IH did well and state that it outgrossed the Hulk that's good enough for me. Plus I could honestly care less even if that wasn't the case b/c Ang's Hulk sucked anyway and IH was a superior film. Norton's version wouldn't even have been necessary had Bana and Ang gotten it right the 1st time. Now try answering any one of my questions respectfully asked.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    of course you'll go see it

    by Liveforfilms

    To all those saying you won't go to see The Avengers movie if Ed Norton is not in it who are you trying to kid. Of course you will go and see the movie if he is in it or not.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST


    by omega_786

    Give the gig to Schumacher cos this film has lost all kudos and has become a joke. I am now firmly looking to DC to restore some lost faith with Batman & Superman.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    By the way Letterier's hulk was really good

    by omega_786

    THe film was a great comic to movie interpretation. Prefer that to IRON MAN 2.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "He has 'projects in the works'? Ha! Who the fuck DOESN'T?" Actually according to you "NOBODY casts Norton anymore" so unless you are mentally retarded how can you sit there and deny someone who is listed as currently working as somehow who also has NOBODY willing to work with them? That's like me erroneously saying you aren't an idiotic cunt despite all of the mounting evidence supporting that you are in fact an idiotic cunt.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Laserhead, you dont know what you're talking about

    by IndustryKiller!

    You speculating that Nortons lack of prolificy is because no one wants to work with him is just that, cheap speculation. He's maybe the greatest actor of his generation, someone will always want to work with him, look at Sean Penn, or Marlon Brando. Hell Robert Downey Jr. was breaking into strangers homes and falling asleep in their childrens beds and people still wanted to work with him. You're making this shit up dude.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    It all hinges on how convincing Thor is...

    by zinc_chameleon

    the mix of magic and technology is something that I think is beyond the scope of the writers. They need to come up with a way to make the Gods seem believable to a modern audience. The best approach is 'quantum physics sorcery' from Attanasio's 'The Dragon and the Unicorn'.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:18 a.m. CST

    KilliK I never said the 1st Hulk didnt make $$$

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...I only stated IH wasn't a flop as you foolishly claimed. Especially when compared to real flops that have come and gone over the years. I also only stated and gave multiple links and quotes that clearly stated IH outgrossed Hulk. I didn't make up those quotes, I just cited them. If you still want to sit there and childishly claim IH was a flop, sidestep my points and type "GOD I LOVE THE INTERNET.NEEEEEEEXT." have a blast.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Shame about Norton

    by Denty420

    He played the Hulk and Banner with some integrity. Also a shame that this site won't be updated for two days. Oh, well. Over to Hitfix for the weekend.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Kilik, money doesn't matter because Hulk was unwatchable crap

    by IndustryKiller!

    If you really think that film had anything going on upstairs, go to your local community college, take psychology 101, and have. your mind. BLOWN.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Norton was the best thing about Hulk

    by barnaby jones

    Both of them, lol !

  • July 10, 2010, 6:25 a.m. CST

    universal thought that the hulk was a flop..

    by emeraldboy

    and remade the film all over again. and the remake, thought universal underperformed, which is why they put the franchise on ice.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:26 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller! thats the most hilarious part of this....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    KilliK and Laserhead are ranting about the numbers IH made, claiming IM was a flop, claiming Norton is an asshole, claiming Norton isn't even a working actor anymore....but in reality all they are is bitter Hulk fans going to bat for a shitty movie that failed in 2003. Let it go guys that mess was 7 years ago.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:27 a.m. CST

    The Avenger will be shit

    by Suskis

    Let's see: 1) they introduce the silliest superhero of all times: Thor. They roll together all previous franchises kicking out the only good actor they had (aside Downey Jr). 3) add the Human Torch from Fantastic 4 (how can they possibly use the same actor for 2 different superheroes THAT FAMOUS?) 4) add the worst superstar actress around (Scarlett Juhansson) well, enjoy this crapfest. This, as much as the new Spiderman movies, is what the incredibly greedy people at studios can come up!

  • July 10, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Hopefully this just means it's not "The Ultimates"

    by Chewtoy

    Bruce Banner was never a part of "The Avengers". People are being generous in guessing that it's only a 5 minute role... It could be far less.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    KilliK again.......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    IH made 350 million & outgrossed Hulk according to the multiple links I found. If you have a problem with those sources because they hurt your feelings contact each site I posted and feel free to correct them. IH obviously didn't get a sequel because it didn't do as well as they'd hoped for. Just like Hulk got a complete reboot because it didn't do as well as they'd hoped for. BTW - I'm trying not to be too insulting toward you b/c I'm guessing English isn't your 1st language. It's difficult reading your posts though. Your last posting in particular really could have used an ounce of structure. I'd rather not have to sort through your brain vomit to respond.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    They may take our films but they will never take our freedom

    by omega_786


  • July 10, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    BOYCOTT the avengers movie

    by omega_786

    shout it out so marvel can hear!!!!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST


    by omega_786

  • July 10, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by omega_786

  • July 10, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    Marvel just loves fucking things up.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by omega_786

  • July 10, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Ok Killik, how is Hulk great?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Im really asking, and if you mention one fucking thing about the Bruce Banner father thing being anything but the laughable B-movie version of a character relationship that it is you don't get to pass go or collect 200 dollars. That was literally some of the most pathetically on the nose, cookie cutter Fraudien, unexplored, rain puddle shallow philosophizing I've ever seeing in an action film. And make no mistake, Hulk is every bit the action film that Incredible Hulk is, just worse directing (comic book panel interstitials???? so wait Ang Lee, this movie is based on a COMIC BOOK??? Ya dont say!) ANd if you can't see how broad and terrible Nick Noltes performance is then you need to watch Jeremy Irons in Dungeons and Dragons, cause that's the closet comparison. This is to say nothing of Banas flat as a pancake performance that everyone today pretty much uniformly hates, even Eric Bana (who admitted as much in a GQ interview several years ago) And just for good measure let's not forget his character turns into a giant cloud at the end of the film.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    "Hulk was great."

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "you dont get the movie because you are average american fanboys" Guess what? Regardless of where you are from acting like a conceited douche and foolishly generalizing and stereotyping entire populations is a look that's ugly on anyone.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Fucking Marvel

    by photoboy

    They just don't know how to keep good talent in front of the screen. They almost lost Samuel L Jackson a while back as well.<br><br> I remember there was some fallout over the studio's final cut of Incredible Hulk, but even at the time Norton didn't consider it a big deal.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    ANd just to prove again money means nothing

    by IndustryKiller!

    Spider Man 3 made incredible amounts of money. Just tons and tons of the stuff. And they had to reboot that because it was so pathetically awful that no one could stomach the thought of Raimi doing that again. Quality can kill a franchise too.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...I must say that was really creative and innovative how you rode my style hard there and basically copy/pasted my entire post. Since this has now devolved to you doing lame shit like that and calling people "average american fanboys" obviously we're done. Perhaps sometime in your next life you'll realize how bad you have failed.............You lose KilliK. Good day sir.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "so an entire population watched the Hulk?" Jesus Christ KilliK you clearly cannot even grasp the basic concept of what people are saying to you. Fucking pathetic. Again you lose. Good day sir.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Photoboy, I wish Jackson had dropped out

    by IndustryKiller!

    It seemed like a good idea at the time, but then I saw Iron Man 2, and Jackson isnt even making the slightest attempt to play Fury as anything other than jive talking ego driven Sam Jackson. Watching him try to out gab Downey was like watching a monkey fucking a football, just wasnt happening. They should have gotten Kurt Russell to begin with. Fuck Mark Millar and having comic characters written to look like actors.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by 11dayempire

    Hulk's use of split-screen is a fundamental misunderstanding of how a comic book works. Comic books show the progression of time through spatially-juxtaposed static panels, whereas a film shows a single frame in which the image moves. If you break up the frame with moving split-screen images, you divide the audience's attention; they can't concentrate on all the moving mini-frames at once. Contrast with a comic, where you linger on each frame and take in the detail. Split-screen is pretty much the polar opposite of comic-book panels.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Cast Eric Bana

    by elsewhere

    for those of us including myself who actually liked Ang Lee's "Hulk" and found it superior to "The Incredible Hulk".

  • July 10, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Terence Howard sucked...

    by Powerring

    Cheadle is 100x a better actor. But to replace Norton is B.S.

  • July 10, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    The funny thing about Hulk is that...

    by rbatty024

    before the film was made everyone was clamoring for their comic book characters to be taken seriously. This is real art about a guy who turns into a giant monster, they cried. Then a director comes around and makes a film that explores familial relationships, repressed memories and the power of creation, but also has a guy who turns into a giant monster in it. Next thing you know, the fanboys are screaming, enough of this, we want more Hulk smash. <p> It goes to show you that fanboys don't want art. They want dumb action films, which is fine, but don't pretend like most of these films are anything more than entertainment.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by 11dayempire

    You can only concentrate on one moving image at a time, you can't divide your attention between two or three. The instant you look at Moving Image B, you lose visual information from Moving Image A as it continues to move in the background, and vice versa. The only way to ensure you absorb all the visual information from, say, three split-screen images, is to rewind the film three times and watch them one at a time. It isn't about concentration, it's a fundamental difference in how the visual information is presented to you. But Lee just went, "eh, split-screen looks a bit like comic book panels, we'll have that."

  • July 10, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Honestly, this is not a big deal

    by YackBacker

    Norton was Bruce Banner for one movie- he was good, but it's Bruce fucking Banner, people- this isn't like we're re-casting Han Solo here. Or Captain Kirk- wait...

  • July 10, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Hulk explored familial relationships...

    by 11dayempire

    ...repressed memories and the power of creation. Badly. I'd watch a Hulk film that tackled those issues, if it did it competently, but Ang Lee's effort - for all that I like his other work as a director - didn't. If anything, it failed because he tried to crowbar in inappropriate action sequences.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by rbatty024

    I think you have an interesting argument (and at least you are trying to make an argument rather than just throw out insults), but I have to disagree. <p> People have written about ways that comic books, especially today, take advantage of the confusion of panels. Open up most comic books today and often there are large splash panels that are intermixed with smaller images and it is not always clear how you should read the page at first. Sometimes this is by accident and sometimes it is a conscious choice. Furthermore, when you open the page you might focus on one panel, but often you cannot help but take in all of the information. I felt like the chaos of a comic book was beautifully represented on screen.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST


    by 11dayempire

    I'd suggest that the difference between the comic book "confusion of panels" and the split-screen "confusion of panels" is that with a comic, however confusing the initial impact of those panels, it's ultimately a static image that you are free to peruse in your own time. In a film you're being propelled forward at the rate of 24 frames per second and you don't have that opportunity. It's similar to one of the reasons Alan Moore cited for not making a Watchmen film; simply replicating panels on screen isn't enough, because with a comic you're free to turn back and see how Panel B relates to the Panel A you read a few pages ago.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Because Bale was such a sweetheart to deal with, right?

    by terry1978

    Usually when someone appreciates their craft, they ARE a hardass on the set. What the fuck do you think this is?

  • July 10, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST


    by TiPPiDa

    Norton is eager, but wants too much money and Marvel now has a bargaining chip, so they're trying to get him without paying him his quote. <p> Enter a story about casting an 'unknown' give a few kids a screen test to show you're serious, and strike a deal with Norton anyway, with a 'creative consultant/script doctor' carrot thrown in at 3/4 of the price you're supposed to get him for and everyone is happy.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I suspect, on reflection...

    by 11dayempire

    ...that this story is essentially just Marvel playing hardball and trying to talk Norton's price down. Which is still a pretty stupid thing to do; the same strategy came very close to losing them Samuel L Jackson and Mickey Rourke, and one day it'll backfire on them. I just hope it isn't today!

  • July 10, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by Genre_Baby

    That Marvel should let Norton play Banner again. I think Banner deserves an actor of Ed's calibre and the danger in switching the actor yet again may very well backfire. Like others I was looking forward to seeing Ed and Robert together.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Marvel are testing the water...

    by 11dayempire see what the fan reaction is. "Can we get away with recasting Norton?" I'd wager they're checking over these talkbacks and comment threads.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST

    So its becoming clearer and clearer that Marvel is cheap!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I hope Norton comes out on the bag on Marvel and let us know whats really going on with Marvel!<p>Cheap, pathetic Stan Lee cameos, Johnny Storm recast as Cap, Cheadle replacing Howard, and now replacing Norton!<p>Looks like Marvel just doesn't want to pay their actors!

  • July 10, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I'm sure the Avengers will be plagued by disputes

    by alienindisguise

    namely betwteen Evans and Downey. The story behind the movie will probably be better than the actual movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    My excitement for this project drops by the day

    by chewyou812

    Marvel was putting this all together greatly for a while but lately their decisions have me worried. Joe Johnston to direct Cpt America? REALLY? The entire Thor project looks like shit from the early production photos. And now, they lose Ed Norton.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST


    by 11dayempire

    Can't fault them for putting Joe Johnston on Captain America; if I was looking around for a director to do a WW2-era superhero film, I'd tap up the guy who directed Rocketeer, too.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Hulk director's cut please..

    by Rustle

    I liked Norton's Hulk. What I'd really like to see is a dvd release of his cut of the film. It might just turn a good film into a great one. I'd like to see him in the Avengers too..

  • July 10, 2010, 7:30 a.m. CST

    rage-inducing news

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    might hulk out myself. what a shame.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Seconded, Rustle.

    by 11dayempire

    I'd love to see Norton's cut of The Incredible Hulk. Maybe they could release it on Blu-ray when The Avengers comes out OH NO WAIT MARVEL'S FUCKED THAT UP.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    STEVE BUSCEMI is Banner.

    by Uncle Stan

  • July 10, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 = Overrated

    by darthwaz1

    There wasn't a single genuine idea in that movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    all cgi hulk gets captured,

    by slickerynodes

    calms down and turns back into... justin beiber! brilliant!

  • July 10, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Blame Disney

    by disfigurehead

    They will go the cheaper route.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Jeeeeeeezzzzz... AVENGERS may hit WAL-MART's bargain bin.

    by JDanielP

    Look at the cast in Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT, which adds to it being so watchable. Casting unknown/untested talent is a mistake Nolan will not make. <P>When will Marvel give up this idea of going with the bottom dollar? If you want to play in the major leagues, you've got to have the right players. <P>If you want to PLAY, you've got to PAY.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    MJ_Corpse is a dead man. You heard it here.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    In all seriousness, Jon Hamm would make a better Bruce.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He does the tortured thing pretty good.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Uh, I'm not ranting, you guys are

    by Laserhead

    It's not a rumor, not a fantasy, but absolute truth that STUDIOS do not want to work with Ed Norton. Period. And if you say, 'Bale was no picnic' I say, 'Yeah, and if IH had made $500 million domestic, Norton would be back.' Meanwhile you two- industrykiller and fat whatever -are like two screaming girls. I never said IH didn't make money. It didn't make much money, but it wasn't a bomb. It was Okay, I got nothing against the movie, and I got nothing against Norton. FACT- Studios don't want Ed Norton on anything. Sean Penn might put him in a movie, but no studio will.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Don't question the obvious, Beaks.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    IH sucked and Clash sucked. No two ways about it. The guy is simply horrible and kept employed by an undiscriminating movie-going public. I'm far from a Norton fan but he's just one of many problems with IH.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You'd go bale-istic too if you had to work with a hack like McG.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by redkamel

    sounds like they are building it around Downey. Hes going to steal the show from Thor and Cap every time hes on screen...and why not, everyone loves. "The Adventures of Iron Man and the Avengers"

  • July 10, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by subfreq

    THis is no big deal. I actually think he was average in the Hulk but the script and film were pretty awful so he didn't get much help in that department. Hopefully they only show the hulk as a huge green wrecking ball in the film and leave the transform stuff out of it. It's not needed with the amount of cast and story they are going to have to get through.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    next news about the avengers..

    by emeraldboy

    it will filmed in 3d. mark my words and fuck you james cameron.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Renner is HULK. Take it to the bank.

    by PvtTOUCH

    just shittin, but i think that would be cool. especially if it was jeremy renner playing jeffrey dahmer playing bruce banner. havent read the posts but there's gotta be some jackass throwin up nathan fillion gang signs on here somewhere.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Fucking Disney...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...Their usual penny-pinching and idiotic creative interference is going to kill all the Marvel superhero movies. They already managed to make Iron Man 2 a suckfest.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by skani

    Ed Norton is an excellent actor, but a notorious control freak and prima donna and his limited participation in the promotion of Hulk helped sabotage it. He has a track record of being difficult and overstepping his bounds trying to micro-manage films and directors. Plus, I thought his performance as Banner was mediocre. Eric Bana did a fine job of coming off as a geek and did the brooding tortured guy much better than Norton. Knowing what complex thing the Avengers is, with many egos and moving parts, I think Marvel is wise to take Norton out of the mix. He's too much of a wildcard.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    there was in the norton hulk movie...

    by emeraldboy

    tiny odes to bill bixby. if you all go on to youtube you will see clips from the tv show. which now looks very cheap indeed. effects wise. no hulk poodles there. no split screen either. when bixby's banner looked at jack McGee and said dont make me angry you wouldnt like me when I am angry. the audience knew that you didnt mess around with banner. the tv show though now outdated and ancient looking, got the concept right. this was a jekyll and hyde/frankensteins monster story. banner went across country to try and rid himself of his affliction. and maybe this is where they should have looked at when making the movies. actually they did. in the rejected norton screenplay he kills himself in the north pole. but norton went dulally when that scenario was rejected. i went dulally when the studio said hey lets change the story so that general ross, stops chasing the hulk. Ross is banners enemy. William Hurt is also an asshole. DOnt believe me go ask marlee matlin. "william Hurt is a great guy. just as along as you dont have to work with him". same applies to Ed norton.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Granted Louie The Terrier is a huge hack...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...but he managed to overcome the hackiness somewhat in IH, probably due to Ed Norton rewriting the script and most likely making The Terrier work for his film by being his usual difficult-to-work-with Ed Norton self. IH ended up being pretty enjoyable, not great, but no suckfest like the fanboys make it out to be. Even Liv Tyler showed some actual life in IH (impromptu, on-set acting lessons from a pissed off Norton, perhaps?), unlike lifeless animated mannequin Jennifer Connelly in Hulk.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    Surely this is some elaborate gag/bit of misdirection and then there will be a big announcement down the line? Surely. Remember when there was that rumor about Norton being in Iron Man 2? Marvel denied it and then people started thinking that this denial was put forth in an attempt to keep it a surprise. Of course Norton wasn't in Iron Man 2, but maybe Marvel looked at the rumor stuff and figured it would be a good idea to do something like that for real.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST


    by tibbar

    if hulk did as good as iron man 1 and 2, norton would be back. thems is brass tacks.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by skani

    I am a huge Hulk fan. I am not a comic geek or Marvel fan. I am a Hulk fan. I agreed w/ the general criticism of Ang Lee's hulk that it just wasn't any fun (and that the Hulk effects were a mixed bag). This last Hulk just felt like it had no weight to it. Like, I was not at all emotionally invested in any of the characters, Banner included. It felt very choppy too (which I know Norton et al. blame on over-editing). I didn't really care about Tim Roth's character, and the final Hulk-Abomination battle felt like I was watching a really good cartoon or video game. Even with that battle, the scope felt really constrained. Nothing about it felt epic. William Hurt was a bizarre choice for Ross; Hurt is a great actor, etc., but macho, tough, intimidating are not among the adjectives that describe him. Intent of Incredible Hulk was laudable. Execution poor (and I didn't think the Hulk CGI was any better, just a different version of mediocre). Casting for Incredible Hulk was almost across-the-board worse than casting for Lee's Hulk. Bottom line is that Incredible Hulk is not a good or memorable enough film for me to care about the continuity of having "Norton's" Banner in the Avengers. What I want is a well-acted movie w/ decent CGI and a nice 50-50 balance of action-fun and character-story.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by skani

    That actually sounds really cool! I think they have had a lot of trouble getting Hulk right for the big screen, and its depressing that they squandered the reboot. I think the challenge is that they may have to accept that a Hulk movie just doesn't have the same mainstream appeal as a conventional "superhero" movie, since like KilliK said, Hulk is essentially a monster, not a hero. I think that's the same deal with Punisher, and again, it constrains the crossover appeal (that along w/ the fact that Punisher films suck). So, the question for a Hulk movie is, can they scrape together some decent effects, production values, actors, and stories on a much more modest budget, given that any Hulk movie is going to lack the intrinsic cross-over appeal of the "man-in-the-suit" genre.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    For the love of God

    by MrShootist

    quote fatboi, "(as well as the CBS television show)" For the love of God, why would anyone want to remember that piece of forgettable garbage?

  • July 10, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by danton1000

    How silly you nerd boys trying to be first all of the time.. So annoying

  • July 10, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by MAD_MIKE

    He always should have played him anyway. Norton is great, but Buscemi would rule.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Terrible Decision Marvel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by crackerfarmboy

    This is YOUR big movie marvel. Why would you want to fuck this up? Fix this like you did with Jackson and Rourke and FIX IT FAST!!!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I thought Norton WAS problematic

    by OutsideChance

    ...wasn't the buzz around the Hulk that he spent a lot of time bitching about the script and, later, attacking the producers in interviews?

  • July 10, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Skani & Kilik

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Thanks to you both for thoughtful posts (others for the same) that rose well above rant level.<p>I missed the two Hulk movies and didn't know enough to care enough to catch up on them. Skani, your reviews of them were exactly what I wanted to know. Now I'm content to just wait for the Avengers.<p>Kilik: I really like your ideas and plot lines. From your keyboard to Lee's eyes... <p>Here's some fun for you:<p>

  • July 10, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Sorry for the miss-spell. Crossed my eyes trying to see if it was one or two l's... Thanks again.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Does Rhodey Look Different to You?

    by BroVinny

  • July 10, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Funny how I wanted Billy Crudup for banner in the original film.

    by UltraTron

    Ya know? Because he looks like the hulk. And he looks like a scientist. His face looks like the hulk so it would have made sense. I always thought the hulk should look like the actor playing him. Crudup has the jaw and muzzle of hulk so it would have been a smooth transformation. Get Crudup.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk

    by Ghostpirate

    No offense. I don't fault people who do. It just wasn't the Hulk movie I wanted. Just because you are trying to elevate comic movies doesn't mean it has to be slow and boring. Nothing exciting happened apart from the desert fight, which was great, and the fight with Hulk dogs, which was kind of lame. The finale made no sense to me visually. It was dark and he seemed to be fighting clouds and water. The Abomination fight at the end of Incredible Hulk was worth the price of admission. But I do agree, the rest of the film was pretty uneven. That more than likely is because they weren't doing an origin story.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    The reason this is a mistake

    by Mockingbuddha

    is because the Incredible Hulk was full of clues setting up the Avengers. It could serve as a prequel practically, though not to the degree Iron Man 2 was. Changing This casting practically removes this movie from the continuity. Instead of having a tightly related series of movies you have a mess now.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    I'm not a hater, but fuck you Marvel.

    by Terrmaster

    Seriously. This isn't a Terrence Howard deal. It's about bringing icons together. They aren't icons if you change them constantly. Stick to your guns, grow a pair of nuts, and give it to Norton. You can. He wants to. And IF...IF you have to replace him, get a NAME that's worth a damn for this character. No matter the size of the part. He's still Banner. Comics are American Myth.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    You MORONS crack me up That refer to a films

    by MAD_MIKE

    box office receipts as justification of said films worth. It proves immediately upon writing it that you actually know ZERO about film. <P> You do not get that Money, so why the fuck do you care how much it made? <P> Ang Lee's HULK was bogged down by the weight of its own need to be thought provoking. <P> Its lead has the range and strength of soggy cardboard. He played Bruce Banner again in Star Trek. <P> Honestly, Bana sucks. Flat out as a lead actor. <P> Then there is Nick Nolte's Scenery chewing turn as his Father. <P> Hulk dogs and the entire 3rd Act with the exception of the Desert Fight scene. <P> Even Jennifer Connely was flat in that film. <P> Ang tried to play it like a thought provoking study as most Asian Directors do with their films, but that does not work in America where the audience is shallow and suffers from mass ADD. <P> Incredible Hulk was a solid action film that not only blew away Ang Lee's abortion. <P> It had a better banner <P> It had a far superior rendition of the Hulk that more closely matched the comics <P> All of the actors gave much better performances. <P> All of the Action sequences were well staged, well filmed, and gave you the closest you will ever get to seeing the Hulk properly on screen. <P> Sure, the Hulk is a tragic character whose Anger has taken over his life. <P> BOX OFFICE has ZERO to do with decideing if a film is good or not. It only affects the Studio's. Also, I.H mad almost $400 mil world wide. <P> Hardly a failure. <P> I also wouldn't expect a long series of Hulk fims since the character is really limited when you get down to it.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    What's the point of being up in arms about this?

    by BetterCallSaul

    They'll just reboot The Avengers down the road with a cast of unknowns whether or not there's continuity among their properties.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by misterfurly

    marvel has a chance to make MORE money if they hire ed norton, just based off the fact if avengers does well, kids that might not have seen the HULK would be more interested in renting it with the same actor in it- just like the comics- youll go get the origin story. hire ed- do it

  • July 10, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Marvel sucks cox n diks

    by kafka07

  • July 10, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Stunt Vocalist

    by skani

    Thanks, man. Boy, now it's a virtual lovefest. If you dig Hulk at all, it's worth checking out both films just because it's somebody spending a 100 million bucks trying to put Hulk on the big screen, and I think there are fleeting scenes where the Hulk actually does look really cool. Sad sap that I am, I will probably plunk down $10 anytime that happens. I think Ang Lee's Hulk was too much Ang Lee and not enough Stan Lee. Incredible Hulk was trying too hard to swing it toward more summer popcorn fare, but it failed because that's just not Hulk. Hulk is angry and brooding and ambivalent. When it comes to the summer blockbuster thing, maybe Hulk's best off as a villain or kind of sidekick or subplot. I just don't know if he can carry a big film, because he's not that kind of character. Then again, Killik's idea was pretty cool.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Recast betty for sure. Liv should be shot in the face. Why?

    by UltraTron

    Because her dad is Steven Tyler and she had her lips inflated. When your dad is Steven Tyler and you have your lips inflated- you get shot in the face. New rule.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    And unlike swapping Cheadle for Howard, it's unlikely they'll manage to pull in a better actor this time.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    One fuck you was not enough.

    by Terrmaster

    Get your priorities straight. As much as this sounds like one of their "negotiating through the media" stunts, this is going a little far. It's dirty.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST


    by Terrmaster

    You're absolutely right.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    If the Hulk was an actual CHARACTER

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    then it would matter who plays HIM. That's the problem. Hulk can TALK in the comics. He has a PERSONALITY. He can't in the Universal movies because he couldn't in their old TV show. But Lou Ferrigno was at least an actual human being.<br /><br />If the Hulk was a fully realized motion captured performance coming from an actor's movements and VOICE, like Andy Serkis' Gollum or the characters Doug Jones does for Del Toro, the audience would CARE about the character. But nobody but Fanboys cares about The Hulk. He's just another CGI effect.<br /><br />So you have Bana or Norton spending 90 minutes trying to get you to care about what happens to a Voiceless Cartoon Character that spends the other 30 minutes smashing things. THAT's the Disconnect. That's why the Films DON'T WORK. It's like watching Robert Deniro emote his heart out as Jake Lamotta and then every fifteen minutes he's replaced by Bamm Bamm from The Flinstones for the fight scenes. BAMM BAMM!<br /><br />These movies have NO crossover appeal. Grown Up Adults and cough*WOMEN*cough who don't care about comics but care about ACTING wanted to see Heath Ledger play The Joker. They wanted to see Robert Downey Jr play Iron Man. But they don't care who plays the Hulk because... NOBODY'S PLAYING THE HULK!<br /><br />And exactly how much screen time do you think Bruce Banner would actually get in a 2 hrs and change action epic with Iron Man, Cap, Thor and Fury plus Hawkeye and whoever they bring over from IM2 or THOR?! An AVENGERS movie should focus on the TEAM coming together. The Hulk is not a team player. The Hulk that Lee and Kirby created wasn't, and the Voiceless CGI Monster Universal has given us twice is even less of one.<br /><br />But if Marvel is bound and determined to shoehorn that CARTOON into an Avengers movie, they'd be better off getting Serkis or Jones to make the cartoon believable, than spending money on Norton so he can argue with Jackson or Downey for five minutes before he gets angry and the Cartoon takes over.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by skani

    >box office receipts as justification of said films worth. It proves immediately upon writing it that you actually know ZERO about film. If a filmaker or audience expects a studio to spend $100 mill on a film, then you are a fool if you think that box office receipts mean nothing. >You do not get that Money, so why the fuck do you care how much it made? How much a movie makes is a decent indicator of how many people wanted to see it and how badly, and the second-weekend drop-off is a very good indicator of word of mouth (did the suckers who paid opening weekend actually like it) >Ang Lee's HULK was bogged down by the weight of its own need to be thought provoking. Agreed. It was an Ang Lee vanity project, which is a disservice to the fans and the character. >Its lead has the range and strength of soggy cardboard. He played Bruce Banner again in Star Trek. I call it subtlety. >Honestly, Bana sucks. Flat out as a lead actor. Banner is a tortured, repressed soul. He's not supposed to be George Clooney rounding up the Ocean's gang. >Then there is Nick Nolte's Scenery chewing turn as his Father. I agree, but it is fun to speculate how much of that is a character, and how much of that is just Nick Nolte being himself. >Hulk dogs and the entire 3rd Act with the exception of the Desert Fight scene. Actually thought the dog scene was cool. >Even Jennifer Connely was flat in that film. She was good and has more magnetism in her gums than Liv Tyler does. >Ang tried to play it like a thought provoking study as most Asian Directors do with their films, but that does not work in America where the audience is shallow and suffers from mass ADD. Bonus for ethnic stereotypes. >Incredible Hulk was a solid action film that not only blew away Ang Lee's abortion. It was a mediocre, forgettable action film. >It had a better banner Norton brought nothing to the character. >It had a far superior rendition of the Hulk that more closely matched the comics CGI was really crappy at points, like the college campus battle scene close-ups of Hulks face and his hair looking like a mop and those weird cartoony eyes. > All of the actors gave much better performances. William Hurt's overacting and tough-guy posturing was a joke. Tim Roth was a good addition, but again, I didn't get to know or care about his character. >All of the Action sequences were well staged, well filmed, and gave you the closest you will ever get to seeing the Hulk properly on screen. Finale battle sucked. For all the talk of the action, there were only what, three action scences (four, if you count the opening, which was all in the dark). Sure, the Hulk is a tragic character whose Anger has taken over his life. BOX OFFICE has ZERO to do with decideing if a film is good or not. It only affects the Studio's. Also, I.H mad almost $400 mil world wide. >There are great films that do poorly at the box office, but if a big budget film does a mediocre job at box office and with critics, then that is a sign that somebody spent too much money. With a big enough budget, a lot of movies can have solid openings, but if they are just "solid" not great (despite the marketing blitz). Hardly a failure. >I also wouldn't expect a long series of Hulk fims since the character is really limited when you get down to it. Agreed. I think the serial, Fugitive style of the TV show and the smaller-scale actually is more sustainable.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I like you, but you gotta go

    by cinemadude415

    Marvel made a good business decision. Norton is good, but more trouble than he's worth. You never hear any other actors say they had a great time working with him or that they'd love to work with him again.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Seen the making of features on "The Incredible Hulk" DVD?

    by boosebaster

    Norton just takes over the direction saying how it should all go down, and every time it shows him going through one of his ideas it's shit! It doesn't show the bits where Letterier disagrees and Norton starts threatening to walk. He's a problem, he could sink it. Good riddance.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Gonna Go Out On A Limb Here

    by LaserPants

    I have a strong suspicion that this Avengers movie is going to SUUUCK. Not because of this news, it's just an inkling I have. I think Whedon is gonna choke and it's gonna arrive with a whimper, not a bang.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by skani

    okay, that didn't paste so well. Mad Mike, you are 90% wrong. Incredible Hulk was a forgettable movie, mediocre CGI, Liv Tyler has nothing on Jennifer Connelly, box office is an indicator of a movie's value if a ton of money is spent on marketing and effects and it barely breaks even domestically. Bonus points for deciphering those points from my earlier post.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Norton knows Marvel's game

    by Terrmaster

    He is a comic fan, and KNOWS Banner's place in The Avengers. I hardly believe that his "prima donna"-ness is what made this happen

  • July 10, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    You can't make an arthouse film

    by Terrmaster

    ..about a giant green guy that eats tanks.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Hulk smashes puny humans

    by cinemadude415

    Im with JonQixote on the Hulk character in the movies, Marvel need to give him more lines. The Hulk in the comics did more than grunt, he had a personality, hated humans and just basically wanted to be left alone.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Very insightful. I hadn't thought of it that way before. Absolutely right.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Norton was stoked

    by Terrmaster

    To do LOTS of Hulk projects, last I heard. Not that this woulda actually happened, but he even wanted a Planet Hulk saga.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Norton should play Luke Cage. Sweet Mama!

    by Uncle Stan

  • July 10, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by skani

    Norton was stoked to write, direct, act and probably do the cgi for lots of hulk films provided Marvel give him $100s of millions of dollars and let him have complete creative control. Norton can whine to people in interviews about being shut out of the franchise, but he meddled, sabotaged, and then took his marbles and went home when it came to promoting the movie (except showing up on Jimmy Kimmel). This is the star of the film mucking with the script, pushing the director around (like he did on Red Dragon when I heard he almost came to blows w/ Harvey Keitel over him trying to micro-manage the Rat), and then essentially giving the final product a no-confidence vote by not promoting it. Then he wonders why Marvel wouldn't want to bother w/ him on Avengers, where there are enough other people involved who may not have patience w/ a supporting character trying to drive the film.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I do agree that the Hulk needs some character...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...motion capture seems to be the way to go. Make him a little more talkative, keep it to a minimum, but give him some things to say, look to early issues of the comic for inspiration, don't go the way of the mongoloid "Me Hulk, me like Betty, me smash bad men with guns." thing from later comics. Use that face-capture tech that Cameron developed from Avatar so he doesn't look so much like a creepy puppet. Keep his appearances in Avengers to a minimum, he works better as a deus ex machina who jumps in and starts smashing shit when the need arises. I dunno, just throwing out ideas here.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    by skani

    2/6/02 Lights Out Entertainment (2/5/02) posted a RUMOR about some tension on the set. Please note this is only a RUMOR. The last well-publisized RD rumor (about Jodie Foster offered a cameo) turned out to be FALSE, so who knows the accuracy of this latest one. Keitel: Actor Harvey Keitel, who has taken over the Jack Crawford role in Red Dragon walked off the set recently when a "discussion" or "disagreement" came up again between director Brett Ratner and star Edward Norton. Tipsters tell us that Keitel simply decided he'd had enough of the bickering, and just walked out without fanfare. The Crawford role was played in Manhunter by Dennis Farina, and by Scott Glenn in The Silence of the Lambs

  • July 10, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He's like a woman.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Well if you were better than Brett Ratner in every creative way.

    by Terrmaster

    ...wouldn't you try to have input? Of course. Now, I'm in production, and talent acting like talent is usually the thing we hate more than anything. But Norton seems to be the guy that only calls out bullshit.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Norton is a nightmare to work with

    by reflecto

    All this bullshit of "mutual cooperation" over IH is just that - bullshit. He horned in on that film and as a result we got an even more mediocre, tired film than we would've gotten initially. Incredible Hulk was a by-the-numbers, bland comic book movie built to set up a franchise - nothing more, nothing less. Audiences can smell a cheap cash-in and that's why the film's reception was lukewarm at best. I'd be happy to have no one from that film involved again. Marvel films do not need more shitty half-measures, budget wars, empty scripts and ego trips - look how that turned out on the X-Men films.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    why is ed norton the victim

    by dang2010

    Didn't Edward Norton refuse to do any publicity for Hulk because he didn't like the edit? Do you think Marvel was happy about that? Did it help the box office? Whatever flaws Marvel might have, Edward Norton might want to take some responsibility for the fact that they don't want to put up with his prima donna behavior anymore. I for one could care less if he's in the film, I would rather they bring back Eric Bana.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Norton's full script for Incredible Hulk..

    by Terrmaster

    While good (and having original ideas) was bloated and a little full of itself. Google it. I do side with Marvel on their decision to edit it down. It woulda been another 2.5 hour slog, if not. Now, the reason that the new one might be viewed as "generic" is simply because they wanted an edited down, light on character, action movie. So don't blame Norton for the finished product with the Hulk. Of course he'd be pissed, especially if they let him write a draft of the script.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST



    PICK SOMEBODY ALREADY!!! This is riduiculous. Find an actor for the character andd stick with him. Eic Bana was was Ang Lee who fucked up the first HULK film. So you switched to Edward Norton for Hulk #2. I liked the film, and Norton was really good in it. Now you want to switch again. Knock off the musical chairs routine.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    He just gives a shit. I get why that would rub some of y'all the wrong way, seeing as many here seem to love the business side of movies above all else, what with all the inane talk of box office receipts and Brett Fucking Ratner.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Saying you can't make an arthouse film about Hulk

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Is the kind of shit I never want to hear. Because that's exactly the kind of crazy shit I want to see more of in movies.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    That's why Ang Lee's HULK is a better film, Guy

    by reflecto

    Even Norton's original script was basically "The Fugitive, starring Edward Norton. Special Guest Star: The Incredible Hulk." Who wants to watch another Ed Norton suspense movie? How well did The Score do at the box office?

  • July 10, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by jgsugden

    You worked Incredible Hulk into the continutity... keep it there. Stay with Norton.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Knew it was too good to be true.

    by CreasyBear

    Only hope is if this is just money-posturing, like Sam Jackson saying he wasn't going to be in Iron Man 2.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Then what the fuck is the point?

    by I_Fart_Huckabees

  • July 10, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    You know...

    by mojorising74

    Working with brilliant but difficult people just isn't the way to get things done. Sure, someone might be a genius, and may even be right in their problematic behavior (meaning, ultimately justified). But if you're an asshole, and you make the people you work with, the people who pay the bills, miserable through the process, people are gonna find someone else to work with. You gotta remember, making movies is a job, and if someone makes my life hell at work, I'm gonna do everything in my power not to work with them again. Including hiring somebody who may not do the job as well, especially if it means I get to once again enjoy what I do. You gotta remember that the movie making process is collaborative, and if someone is making life miserable for lower level employees, spreading bad press, or making threats of a litigious nature over creative differences, My first job as a producer following that show would be to try and replace that individual with someone who could do the same job, without all of the drama. That line of thought would hold true whether I was a movie producer or a corn farmer.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Why this is a bad move

    by The Funketeer

    The reason Iron Man succeeded was because it appealed to the general public. There aren't enough Iron Man/Avengers fans in the world to make a movie like his succeed on geek cred alone. Edward Norton puts butts in seats that wouldn't be tempted to see the movie otherwise. An unknown does not. If The Avengers is going to succeed it needs to be the Oceans 11 of superhero movies and that means big name actors having a good time beating the crap out of each other in superhero costumes.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 10, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I really liked Ang Lee's

    by Shaner Jedi

    Hulk movie, but more as a standalone film, not a part of the overall Marvel movieverse.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Keep Norton!

    by luke_lymon

    Keep Norton! Keep Norton! Keep Norton! Keep Norton!

  • July 10, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    that is what harry doesnt understand. and so he and the talkbackers stand outside the system, the movie net equivalent of the wailing wall.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by Larry Sellers

    You're absolutely right. The general ideas that would make a "faithful" adaptation amongst fanboys are ALWAYS centered around action and insignificant details. It's really ridiculous. And they wonder why no one will listen? It's because you're more nearsighted than Michael Bay.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    This is why I liked Ang Lee's Hulk

    by Juggernaut125

    compared to Lettier's Inredible Hulk. Because at all times when Hulk1 was on screen, it looked like he occupied space in his environment. He looked and felt the way Hulk should. This was not the case with Hulk2. In the rain, in the cave with Miss Tyler, he looked too cartoonish/obvious cgi, like they left one final step out of the special effects process. Stories, characters, that's all going to be personal preference. You might like one, I might like the other and never the twains shall meet. But I truly believe the Hulk when on screen was ten times better in the first movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    It would be cool to have Norton

    by veritasses

    for continuity and he's certainly a talented actor, but it's really a minor issue. <BR><BR> Assuming Capt and Thor are successful (and there's no reason not to believe this at this stage), the expectations for Avengers will be insane. The Avengers is the culmination (over the course of several years, no less) from five different films, featuring larger than life characters each of whom have had their backstory played out in a two hour, big budget, high profile movie. This is the type of movie that the Marvel (and DC) Universes demand and deserve. We've all known these superheroes live in the same world and we've all asked why they've never run across each other. Expectations would be high even if the other films didn't exist. Nothing like this that I'm aware of has been attempted before, certainly not at this scale. <BR><BR> If the Avengers does anything to blunt this momentum, if it isn't beyond epic, if it doesn't deliver every single last bit of the goods then it might be one of the greatest wasted opportunities in the history of entertainment. <BR><BR> My vote would be to bring back Norton (a scene with Norton, Sam Jackson and RDJ butting heads would be fantastic), but when you put everything in context, it's not something that would keep me up at night. There are so many other ways for this to all come crumbling down. If it does fail, this won't be the iceberg that will sink the Titanic. <BR><BR> No pressure, Whedon/Penn....

  • July 10, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    "Then what the fuck is the point?"

    by BurnHollywood

    None. None at all<p> I withhold my money and laugh at your cries of "piracy" from the clear-minded individuals who steal your labor online.<p> Capitalism had to die somewhere. No meme is immortal.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Billy Crudup for banner/hulk. Just scan Crudup

    by UltraTron

    and sculpt hulk muscles on em. He looks just like hulk in the face so it would make sense.He's much better casting than we've ever seen for banner. Having hulk look like him and talk would allow for a great jeckle/Hyde aspect in avengers. I can see Crudup and downy together arguing science stuff. Other than Crudup I would go with Johnny Depp.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Crudup - yes!<p>Depp? I just don't see it. He'd weird it out too much for the sake of doing something unique. Which is good for a new character (Jack Sparrow) and bad for a character already established elsewhere. (Such as Banner/Hulk and Wonka)

  • July 10, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Disney penney pinching begins

    by shutupfanboy

    I figured maybe after Avengers we would see Disney starting screwing things up, but I guess since its going to be THE event movie after Batman 3 in the next few years, they decided to get involved. The movie needs continuity from the other films or its going to be a clustfuck. Rhodes has been re-casted and that really didn't help Iron Man 2 much.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Avengers is going exactly the way I predicted

    by Sick Fixx

    in the last talkback. I told you that they could not assemble and accomodate all these actors and their characters into one movie successfully. They'll all be wanting more money, more screen time for their characters, etc. This movie is an impossibility. It will never make it to the big screen. When are you people going to realize that?

  • July 10, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Tom Cruise is Doctor Bruce Banner. Johnny Depp is

    by UltraTron

    Doctor Strange. Robert Downy Jr. is Ironman. Russel Crowe is Thor. Morphius is still the surfer. Doctor Lazerus is Galactus. Thanos is.. Hey, who's thanos? Needs to be someone who is just accepted as god. Billy Crudup for banner- I keep coming back to that. He's perfect scientist who looks like hulk in the face.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Avengers is dead to me now.

    by captaincrazy

    Looks like Marvel are doing a Terrence Howard again..

  • July 10, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    The Avengers VS Thanos in the battle for posession

    by UltraTron

    of the infinity gauntlet. Too bad you'll never see that movie

  • July 10, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by FloristGump

    It's news like this that really gets me worried about the whole project. Follow that logic, why not get rid of Downey Jr as Stark, get some sunbleached California beach model to play Steve Rogers - hell, why not get Michael Winner to direct it and totally screw the pooch. Losing a class act like Norton would be SUICIDE for the credibility of this project. BIG mistake (and I'm already doubting that they can pull it off satisfactorily as it is)

  • July 10, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by Jotham

    I liked The Incredible Hulk much more then I liked HULK, much of that had to do with Norton. That being said, I'm just extatic that they are actually including the Hulk as part of the Avengers. He is a founding member, and much of what I've read so far had not mentioned the Hulk as being a part of the film. So while I'll be sorry to see Ed depart the roll, I'm excited to see Thor, Hulk, Cap, and Iron Man on a live action screen together.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Avengers is dead to me now too.

    by MisterHyde

    Norton's Banner is perfect. This is completely stupid to get rid of him. If the people making this can't see that then I'm losing tons of faith in this project. Just seems sloppy and careless.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He'd be fuschia.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Maybe Banner won't have a big role...maybe it's all HULK

    by planetran_fan

    Then, it makes sense to question why spend all that $$$ on a big-name.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Norton acted like Norton in TIH not Banner

    by Norm3

    I say cast someone new & more BB like. I'd even take Bana back as long as he left behind his movies Hulk.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Have ILM or WETA create a CGI Bill Bixby

    by planetran_fan

    Problem Solved.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Big 1970's eyeglasses and all!

    by planetran_fan

  • July 10, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Allow me to say poppycock...

    by Fuzzyjefe


  • July 10, 2010, noon CST

    If you're not going to have Norton . . .

    by PeopleCallMeTheBriMan

    ... why bother having Downy, Jackson, Cheadle, Johanson, Evans, Kirk's dad et all? Why go to the trouble of having all of these movies introduce us to these characters if you're just going to re-cast them? Continuity is important to movie-goers, Marvel.

  • July 10, 2010, noon CST


    by skani

    Cheadle is himself a break in continuity.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    isn't this the plot of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang?

    by antonphd

    hey, why don't they offer the part to Colin Farrell?

  • July 10, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Me Hulku!! Me SMASHU!!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    We don't want your kind here.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    ratner et al

    by skani

    Ratner and Leterrier may be formulaic hacks, but Norton should not agree to act in a film if he has no confidence in the director, and the studio should not hire Norton unless they can be confident that he will do his job without trying to usurp or second-guess other people whho are trying to do theirs.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    We want Norton.

    by hallmitchell

    And why isn't there a ED Norton version of HULK out there? Everything else gets a run. And please NO CGI HULK. No version has done any better than the other one because of it.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    The actor is part of the continuity

    by kafka07

    Ed Norton wasn't spectacular as the Hulk, but why have him star in a movie and then just cancel him out like that? It's retarded.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see a second Illusionist anyway, fuck em

    by picardsucks

    I love the Illusionist!

  • July 10, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    They should cast Cristian Bale

    by HardSteel

    You don`t have to use any money on special effects. You could just have some jerk walk into his line of sight during filming and he will turn into the Hulk for reals......

  • July 10, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Just put the Hulk and not Banner

    by Argentino

    If Norton is for whatever reason out, leave Banner out but keep the most important part of the character: The Hulk.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Illusionist 2: This time we'll frame someone for

    by UltraTron

    murder who really deserves it. I mean he slapped her. And he acted like he might be a little controlling in a relationship.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    If this recasting rumor turns out to be true then Marvel are a fucking joke.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Why no Hulk sequel? Can never forget that onion headline

    by UltraTron

  • July 10, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Is it fucked up...

    by GroolDemon

    That when I read that headline I could see Iron Man reading a newspaper while on the toilet?

  • July 10, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Besides that...

    by GroolDemon

    WTF? Is it a money thing or what? I thought Norton was kind of secured for the whole Avengers thing just like RDJ? Or are they going to go CG Hulk and suited Iron Man with a voice over or something?

  • July 10, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Continuity Matters

    by Dave I

    I was mad enough when they dumped Eric Bana for Norton, but o.k. The Ang Lee thing didn't work for most. Norton did fine, his movie dovetailed into Hulk (and, you know, NORTON) being in the Avengers, so I could deal with it. But this? Stupid. Yes, continuity matters, and this is annoying. If they were going to cast an unknown, they should have done it the last movie, not for this one. This is crap. <p><p>-Cheers

  • July 10, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    The Hulk is not a very important character, hence the cost-cutti

    by BigTuna

    for the character. Both Hulk films have done "OK", but weren't huge hits. Let's face it, The Hulk is a stupid superhero character.

  • July 10, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan as Hulk

    by picardsucks

  • July 10, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    Define 'stupid superhero character'.

  • July 10, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    The Banner Character Is Irrelevant

    by Graphix67

    The CGI-effect of the Hulk is the dominate focus. Not who happens to play the "human-part" waiting to transform.

  • July 10, 2010, 1 p.m. CST


    by BigTuna

    "The Incredible Hulk".

  • July 10, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    Ok, why do you think Hulk is a stupid superhero character?

  • July 10, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by Troy McNamara

    Look guys at Marvel, listen to Ed Norton and listen to I think the majority of us here, KEEP EDWARD NORTON! Recasting a secondary character like Terrence Howard for Don Cheadle is one thing but replacing one of the main four Avengers? Get fucking real! You're making a huge mistake recasting Bruce Banner, sure Norton may want to revise the script but maybe he'll really dig Joss Whedon's script. Just get your shit together, have the cojones to pay these actors the right fee, and do the Avengers right! This is a once in a lifetime movie, DO IT ONCE AND DO IT RIGHT BY KEEPING NORTON!

  • July 10, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Hey Disney...

    by Fuzzyjefe

    convince Pixar to do a Power Pack film please. I wants me some Snarks.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Bring back Bana

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    At least he's played the Hulk and you'd have some continuity. You'd be able to get him for a reasonable price, too.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Regarding Bana....

    by ballsmcretard

    You know, I wasn't a huge fan of Bana before I saw this untouted gem of a movie called "Chopper" - he was freaking insane in that! He went from psycho to lovable to totally creepy and back again at the drop of a hat - I really think that was one of the better performances I have seen by any actor - he nailed his role. That said, Incredible was way more of a Hulk movie than Lee's version which basically has nothing to do with anything. Suck my dick.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Lemure_v2

    Thor will suck? Because of the costume? Knobhead. Captain America will suck because of Evans? Were you one of those who was saying The Dark Knight will suck because they cast Ledger as the Joker? I seem to recall quite a few did. At least wait for a trailer. Knobhead.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Stark cameo in Hulk was start of slide

    by leo54304

    when it became obvious that the avengers movie was going to be made. Any idea of a good movie were jettisoned for setting up the Avengers. Didnt see IM2 or the Hulk movies (Which I understand had moments) and won't see Thor, Cap or Avengers cuz it'll all be crap. Only thing folks behind these movies want is money not making epic, decent or had-moments movies. So if folks are pissed about predators, waith til the marvel movies come out. It'll make their hatred of predators seem like a pimple compared to a hemmoroid those marvel movies will raise. I hope this post is wrong but...

  • July 10, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Didn't Norton insist on re-writing Hulk?

    by Rev. Slappy

    Maybe I am misinformed, but I seem to remember him doing that. He has a reputation for being a pain in the ass, no? If you've hired Joss Whedon to write and direct Avengers, is Norton going to insist on re-writing Whedon? They've had a different actor play Banner in each of the films they've made so far and it didn't seem to make a difference then. Was anybody that attached to either Hulk film?

  • July 10, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...HUGE mistake Marvel. Norton's low key, burdened and soulful Banner is greatly needed to counter balance all that alpha acting that's gonna be going on with most of the rest of that cast. Was looking forward to watching Norton and Renner play off that. ...hope Drew got this wrong.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by TheJudger

    I like Nortan. Fightclub, The Score, Death To Snootchie, American History X, Primal Fear, but you what. I didn't like his Hulk. It was boring. The ending was right out a video game boss battle. I would have a hard time believing him as an evil version of the character, when he was a man he was very, well he wasn't evil. He might have respected the Bill Bixbi/Ferrigno version but he sure as hell didn't nail it. Actually, you know what find a damn Bill Bixi, some one with the hair that face and that calm about him.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Bruce Banner won't be evil.

    by Monolith_Jones

    It's the Hulk who goes on a rampage that the Avengers will have to stop.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by IceTitan

    I was REALLY looking forward to seeing some sort of ensemble by the time we got to The Avengers. Continuity does matter to keep people interested and caring about the story. Are they going to recast Thor and Black Widow, too? Will Terrence Howard get a turn at War Machine in The Avengers? How many Captain America's are we going to see between now and 2012? Maybe they could just get Chris Evans to play EVERYBODY.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Norton's Inclusion will + BOX OFFICE GOLD

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    'Nuff Said

  • July 10, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Now there's an idea...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...if you're gonna recast anybody, bring Emily Blunt back in for an 'intelligent' take on the Widow. No offense scarjo, but I can look at bad acting and big tits on cinemax.

  • July 10, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's a good move

    by Baryonyx

    If the Hulk is used in the film as an antagonist, with only a few Bruce Banner scenes, then maybe the FX guys won't be forced to make the CGI Hulk's facial features 'kind of resemble' the actor playing Banner. They did that in the previous films, making Hulk look a little odd. In the comics the Hulk doesn't look like Banner, so why should he in the film?

  • July 10, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Marvel wants Sam Rockwell instead

    by Brannagins Law

    They were tired of dealing with Norton. This is info from a member of the first unit directing crew on Iron Man.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    nobody cares

    by caseymcgehee72

    nobody cares about the Avengers, aside from the geek crowd... I found it hilarious that everyone was talking about a Deadpool movie... nobody knows who the hell that is nor do they care...

  • July 10, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Marvel is like Stephen King or John Grisham

    by Mgmax

    A brand name that has box office appeal despite the fact that it increasingly means "Stay Away! Shitty Movie Here!"

  • Norton was great as Banner, and The Incredible Hulk was so damn good it made me forget about that total abortion that was Ang Lee's total crapfest.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I'm serious, how could anyone like Ang Lee's crapfest

    by Yamato

    Only twice in my life have I literally ejected the DVD in to the garbage. "The Happening" and "Hulk". Those two movies should have never been released as is. Both should have been directly redone by MST3K guys and then, and only then, released.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    They redid the Hulk twice and it still sucked

    by RPLocke

    I say, let him crash!

  • July 10, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    here is what I think happens...

    by emeraldboy

    something happens. there is accident, a car accident, involving betty ross and her uborn child. this enrages Gen. but as a result of his loss ang guilt/rage over loosing is wife and child. The beast took over, no more banner.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    No "Hulk Smash!" only "Hulk suck!"

    by Yamato

    Even after all these years I can not get it all out of my system. God I hated that movie. I really want my 23 hours back. The movie was 23 hours long wasn't it? It felt like it. I'm certain it was.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    gen ross..

    by emeraldboy

    uses all of his military knowledge to take the hulk down.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Paul Walker. Absolutely.

    by SmokingRobot

    Damn, this is one long talk-back.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Sure, I saw the first Hulk Movie

    by RPLocke

    I think someone forgot it was a COMIC BOOK and it was supposed to be fun. Instead it was like watching Hulk if he were on Oprah.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Too bad

    by BizarroJerry

    I liked that movie and Norton's portrayal. And the very fact that they're trying to connect these movies and one of the first major actors in these "movie world" they're creating is already gone. I would think they don't care because they don't think Hulk was popular enough. Granted, it would be much worse if Downey was the missing actor.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    should be Norton, but......

    by deathraycharles

    Buscemi or Duchovny? passable.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    You guys are actually expecting this to be a good flick? I'm expecting X-men 3.

  • July 10, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    What ever happened to extended cut of The Incredible Hulk?

    by Scott2tune

  • July 10, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Do the right thing, Marvel!

    by Wormie1

    Norton already had a rep and Marvel were surprised by what happened on The Incredible Hulk? What is the point in building continuity over several years and several movies, only to replace one of the key roles. Few people cared that War Machine was recast, but replacing a well-known actor with an unknown as an iconic character (well, alter ego) just because he didn't play nice with the bosses on a previous movie is stupid. Banner probably won't have masses of screen time in The Avengers anyway. Also, Norton is hardly averse to cameo/guest appearances. Just recently he was in Ricky Gervais' The Invention of Lying and played a fictional member of Spandau Ballet on Modern Family. The fact is that bringing back a recognisable actor in a role immediately re-establishes the character with the audience. I mean, what if they replaced Johnny Depp with Russell Brand as Captain Jack Sparrow?!

  • July 10, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    NO Norton NO Banner!!!!

    by crashbarbarian

    plain and simple, make Hulk stay Hulked out in CG and don't bother doing another actor! The continuity will be so freaking screwy that i might just bail out of Marvels... marvel!

  • July 10, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Hell, what happened to the extended cut of Terminator 4?

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    The one that was supposed to be another hour long?

  • July 10, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Too bad. Wanted to see a scene with..

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • July 10, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Downey, Evans, and Norton.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    That would have been cool.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    If McWeeney is reporting it, it's probably wrong.

    by fiester

    So bear that in mind. <p> I'd love to see Norton back as Banner--provided he could curb his diva attitude and be a team player. That means no script tinkering, no shoehorning screen time, and generally no making an ass of himself--oh and maybe even helping promote the film when it comes out!

  • July 10, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Nevermind. I forgot who was directing.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Maybe not having Norton will be a good thing for him.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The Perfect Bruce Banner = Alexis Denisof

    by rustleabout

    Nuff said.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "Banner's attempts to suppress the murderous creature"

    by we_pray_for_mad_skillz

    Uh... No. Total FAIL. <p> The Hulk is a misunderstood hero, not a murderer. <p> It's like you've never even read the comics. Or seen the TV show. Or the cartoons. Or anything.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime's TRAILER is in Chicago right now!!

    by RPLocke

    Holy shit this thing is huge. Also some new cars. I'm thinking Hot Rod.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    here is what i find really strange.....

    by emeraldboy

    ok. bear with me. Hollywood decided a long time ago to make in roads into the comic book industry. Comic book superoheroes like batman, superman etc are iconic characters as are x-man and spiderman. each franchise has been met with complete and utter derision and scorn. by the net generation. these are the people who claim that the mass populus are dumb idiots. most people including the mass cinema going populus. really have no idea about who makes movies, the studio execs, the cast, the writers etc. and quite frankly they dont care. When you enter a cinema, you want to see a film and that is the whole point of movie theaters. people who went to see x-men or batman or spiderman, would have seen the trailers. and would have known who is starring in the movie. this site and others would not have dissuaded people from going to see such films. everyone knows who Sir Patrick Stewart is and hugh jackman is and who Halle berry is and sir ian McKellen is. do they say he is wrong for that role. no way. the only people who do that are on this site. nobdoy really cares what harry thinks of a film and I doubt they ever have. the strange thing is that, these films were made. and the sad part is the fans hated them. fans who i am sure dreamed that one day these films would be on the big screen and they were and are. dreams and the fans expectations are totally different things.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    NeoDevilBaneX, it was released on blu-ray...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    and contained nothing more than a brief shot of Moon Bloodstone's tits and some extra frames of violence where Marcus kills one of her potential rapists with a screwdriver. That's it. McG lied again, the carny huckster that he is.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by Immortal_Fish

    Because a few ignorants up above just had to go there.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The lighting at the end of the original Hulk was so dark...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I couldn't even make out what the hell was going on. Looked like the Hulk was molesting Nick Nolte, who had somehow bizarrely transformed into a tornado of noxious fart gas. Truly the most surreal sequence in cinema history since Bowman traversed the star gate in 2001. Pass me the frickin' crack pipe.

  • July 10, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Get Chris Evens To Do It

    by DutchRudder

    Why stop at F.F./F.F.R.O.T.S.S.and C.A.T.F.A.?

  • July 10, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The guy from DIRT is a poor man's Ed Norton

    by JackSlater4

    You know who I'm talking about?

  • July 10, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    I want to see Banner face the wrath of Ben Grimm!

    by workshed

    A fight I've wanted to see since I was five (in '73).

  • July 10, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Norton's no Prima Donna

    by JackSlater4

    don't forget he played a leper in Kingdom of Heaven, you never say his face and he wasn't in it that much.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by DanielKurland

    Bad move.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Keep Norton!

    by luke_lymon

    Keep Norton! Keep Norton! Keep Norton! Keep Norton! Keep Norton!

  • July 10, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Marvel needs to spend money to make money

    by JackSlater4

    It worked for Avatar, I do believe going from Norton and Downey to Downey and Unknown is leaving a couple hundred million on the table.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I also agree Drew McWeeney can't be trusted

    by JackSlater4

  • July 10, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    if they cast Nathan Fillion I'll puke

    by JackSlater4

  • July 10, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Are We Even Sure RDJ Is In?

    by DutchRudder

    Didn't Fury say something, in Iron Man 2, about only wanting Iron Man, not Stark? Then Tony said something about them not being able to afford him anyway.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    They should just cast Lou Ferrigno again...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    and paint him green. He still looks good and in shape to this day. If it was good enough for the 70's, it's good enough for today.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Can we just have a little consistency? I know recasting actors may not be a big deal to some, but this is getting fucking ridiculous.<br /> <br /> If they want to cut corners, then go all out and recast Tony Stark too.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    J-Dizzle What if they recast RDJ in Iron Man 3?

    by RPLocke

    Wouldn't that be the WORST possible move ever? Hell, they recast Rhodes and replaced him with an even MORE wooden actor.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I know the studios don't read these comments but

    by JackSlater4

    The move would be an intelligent speaking Hulk with Norton playing banner and playing the Hulk via mocap.<P> And lose Joss Whedon.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by Baryonyx

    Well, the Hulk IS a murderer in the Marvel Ultimate comics (Hulk killed hundreds of innocent New Yorkers during one pa rticular rampage.) The Iron Man movie version of Nick Fury is based on the Ultimate Nick Fury, so maybe the Avengers movie version of the Hulk will be the much more savage Ultimate Hulk incarnation.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    And as usual, common sense evades the studio!

    by CeejayNightwing

    They'd rather recast and kill the continuity just to save a buck and potentially obtain a bigger profit. The Hulk/Banner that Norton and L.Leterrier presented was miles better than the continuously growing yet never quite angry enough Hulk from Ang Lee. Nortons Hulk flick fit perfectly into the Marvel Universe they've had success creating with both Iron Man films. Only an utter idiot with his wallet in his mouth would blow this all away by ruining the casting for the final act!

  • July 10, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Norton was lame in TIH.

    by JTStarkiller

    I like him overall, but his performance was so flat and bland, as was the movie. Ang Lee's Hulk had problems, but at least it was far riskier and more interesting, and Bana was fucking great. I could always feel that rage that Bruce was trying so hard to hide. (This all coming from a DC fan who's never read a Hulk book).

  • July 10, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk vs Hulk Box office...

    by Joe Huber

    The Incredible Hulk = Domestic: $134,806,913 51.2% + Foreign: $128,620,638 48.8% -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Worldwide: $263,427,551 HULK = Domestic: $132,177,234 53.9% + Foreign: $113,183,246 46.1% -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Worldwide: $245,360,480 The Incredible Hulk is the winner! Though it's costs were $150 mill vs $137 million from Ang Lee's Hulk that's based on box office alone so when you factor in DVD & Blu I'd definately go with The Incredible Hulk (which I own on blu buy only own Hulk on PUNY DVD).

  • July 10, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Get Norton or Seth Green as Banner

    by deelzbub

    I still think Green would've been a great Peter Parker. But having him as Banner would be cool too.<P> Banner is a tortured soul, that's why Eric Bana sucked. His Banner enjoyed being the Hulk, and that is totally opposite of every Hulk story EVER written.<P> And as for Hulk being stupid, well, that's what all of Hulk's foes think. They forget he's also sly as a fox, and that's when he smashes their ass!<P> And the Hulk SHOULD talk. Just a little bit. <P> At least "Hulk Smash!"<P> "Hulk Hate Army Men!"<P> "Leave Hulk Alone!"<P> "Hulk Is The Strongest There Is!!!"<P> "Hulk like beans!"<P> <P>And he should have that big gorilla-like lip area under his nose!

  • July 10, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Hulk Rules!

    by deelzbub

    Haters drool!

  • July 10, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson should play the hulk

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • July 10, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Man, this superhero recasting shit gets worse...

    by Cervantes

    ...and worse! I had just gotten used to the idea of Norton as being the 'official' alter-ego of the 'Hulk' instead of Bana, and was looking forward to some continuity in 'The Avengers' ensemble movie.<P>Between the new re-casting of Spider-man and the confusion of Chris Evan's 'Johnny Storm' also being 'Captain America', this further undermines any kind of actor consistency in the Marvel movie universe. My anticipation for this particular movie just dropped several notches because of this news.

  • July 10, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Warner Bros should seize the moment with a fuck you

    by JackSlater4

    to Disney, cast Norton as Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes 2

  • July 10, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Great idea, JackSlater4

    by Julius Dithers

    He'd be better than Pitt anyway.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    So wait JT, Norton was "bland" but BANA was great??!!

    by IndustryKiller!

    That's just insane. It's wrong. It's not even a matter of opinion. Bana didn't bring a single ounce of emotion or pathos tot aht role. Scene after scene boringly advertising his "Im angry. just. under. the surface." character choice. I dont blame Bana, who is a good actor usually, I blame Lee, who Bana said would make him do literally fifty takes at a time. Norton brought to the role Banner's longing for a normal life without making it cloying, and Norton is so naturally cerebral that he doesn't even have to try to make Banner feel intelligent.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by JackSlater4

  • July 10, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis for Hulk!

    by RPLocke

  • July 10, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    And can Marvel please get crackin' on a Luke Cage film

    by IndustryKiller!

    and for god sakes don't let John Singleton direct.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    For anyone who repeats this weak ass argument I have one question....(which I've yet to see anyone answer) Have you ever in your life had a job or even went to school with someone who you didn't like? Did you quit the job or transfer schools and run like a bitch from that person you found to be "difficult"?

  • July 10, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    HULK: "HULK RASH!!!!!!!!!"

    by BringingSexyBack

    Betty: "I'll get the ointment."

  • July 10, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Good luck explaining those simple numbers to KilliK....according to him IH was simply a complete flop. The multiple sources and people who state otherwise make him cry. But somehow the 1st Hulk film which made less money and did so poorly that it caused the franchise to be rebooted was apparently not a flop. For the record even if Norton doesn't return at least more fans actually give a crap about his absence. Also you can bet that the Hulk we see in Avengers will be a Hulk continuation from NORTON'S film....not Ang's 2003 dud.

  • July 10, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    natalie partman...

    by emeraldboy

    said that working on the ice storm was one of the worst experiences of her acting career. she felt like the script was battered into head by ang lee. nobody was allowed ask any questions and she attempted to ask and lee would respond read the script.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by Boober

    Let's see, a killer poodle, Crouching Giant/Hidden Logic, and an ending that has the Hulk LITERALLY explode like a giant zit. What an existentialist f*ck-up of the penultimate "Hulk SMASH!" concept. The Hulk is Godzilla's energy crammed into a 10' tall frenzied pinball. Get that Ang Lee Sh!t outta here.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

  • July 10, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Let's break it down........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Norton's Bruce >>> Bana's Bruce Liv Tyler > Jennifer Connelly Abomination/Roth > Electro Nick Nolte IH's down to Earth, action packed, faithful man on the run story >>> Pretentious, gimmicky out of place comic-look, humorless melodrama.......................... The CG Hulk from IH >>>> The gumby looking Shrek Hulk that shrunk and grew ridiculously Leterrier >>> Ang Lee IH gross >>> Hulk gross So basically IH was a superior film in every aspect.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    A Lump of feces >> Hulk Poodles

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members." What an insult to Norton. I guess IH was a one man show with not one other single person involved? Hey Marvel....I know you don't give a shit b/c I'm just one person (although I know there are many others who feel the same way) but you just lost my money for a ticket as well as the special edition 6 disc bluray down the line. Fuck your Avengers movie...take your needlessly recasted films and stick them up your stupid asses.

  • July 10, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST


    by Jodo_Kast

    Marvel, do not pull a GEORGE LUCAS here!

  • July 10, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    worried about friction with the other high profile stars

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Yes because "high profile stars" are incapable of potentially dealing with anyone who is "difficult". The rest of world however consists of people who go to work EVERYDAY AND WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE DIFFICULT. (btw - the same people who pay to see these idiots make movies) This news makes me wonder if these "high profile stars" also need assistance wiping away the shit from their asses? Toilet paper can be difficult to handle.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    people who are difficult

    by skani

    I'm fairly confident that if you are I acted like Norton at our jobs (i.e., tried to tell your boss how to do his/her job), we'd be fired.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by skani

    "or" I.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    why not cast Lindsey Lohan, she'd make a great Bruce Banner

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Awesome exaggerated example to help forward your straw man argument.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    "Hulk" is on Syfy right now...

    by Chewtoy

    Man, that CGI did not age well. He could not look more like a cartoon character.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Just Don't Get It

    by skani

    I think Norton is a good but overrated actor. I thought his Primal Fear performance was bit over the top and hacky. I got a kick out of him in Rounders. The Illusionist was really good, and he was very competent. Seriously though, go back and watch Incredible Hulk. It's a just okay performance in a just okay movie.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Reading the release that Mori just posted..

    by Double M

    seems like Norton is the problem here. Good riddance if he's being a douche. By the way, the suggestion of Sharlto for Banner is awesome.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    i was a little upset about recasting..

    by soup74

    but marvel sure wrote a convincing press release.<br><br>alright marvel, im willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, good luck with the recast... i hope you dont let me down.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Knowing Ed Norton, he'd probably wanted to

    by Amadeo Zeller

    re-write his lines in the script. As much as liked his interpretation of David Banner, his reputation for hijacking film productions he's involved in, can be trying at times to everyone else, I would imagine.

  • July 10, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Ooops! *as much as I liked*

    by Amadeo Zeller

  • July 10, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    you dont need to correct small mistakes, amadeo

    by soup74

    we know what you meant... and that there is no edit button. (which oddly enough is a decision i agree with. too many assholes would change their whole post after they're made to look stupid.)

  • July 10, 2010, 8 p.m. CST


    by DickJones


  • July 10, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Actor acting like a director

    by ConfusedPanda

    Norton's need for control reminds me of the many intelligent-yet-demanding directors in the business. The problem with Norton being that way is he is an actor hired to carry out what the writer, director, and others have created for him. They are doing their jobs, and he comes in and uses his status (name/face = box office) to undermine them, as if he "knows" what is best for the film. It's odd that he doesn't try to direct and/or write more of the films he acts in because all of the behind-the-scenes talk about his demands sound so much like the brilliant yet difficult directors that have failed or succeeded because of their intensely controlling tendencies. Keeping the Faith remains the only movie he has directed, which is unusual because I would be surprised if he would have been so demanding if someone else has directed that one. I don't know though...I get the impression that he will always feel the need to change things to his liking regardless of the movie. There are plenty of respectable up-and-coming actors right now that would nicely fill the role, and I doubt hiring a replacement will be the downfall the movie. I'd prefer for them to stick with Norton simply because his involvement was previously established, yet I can't imagine seeing the movie and complaining that the movie was ruined by the new guy as Banner for his 15-25 minutes of actual screen time. It's a minor-to-major annoyance right now, yet we'll all be worrying about other aspects of the film soon enough.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Sounds like the perfect opportunity for Nathan Fillion to me.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Marvel said they wnt to recast the role with a "name" actor. If Fillion doesn't already have a part in the movie -- he'd be a perfect Banner, and already has a relationship with Whedon, obviously. Aside from that, here are a few wild card possibilities for "name" actors who would also come a bit cheaper. Matthew Fox as Banner? I think that might work. Or, for a real wild card, how about James Callis?

  • July 10, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST



    Might as well not have rebooted Hulk at all.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    First Howard, then Maguire and Raimi, and now Norton!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Marvel reputation of being the shittiest place to work is growing!<p>I really hope Norton tell his side of things so Marvel can stop this BS of lying to save their cheap asses!

  • July 10, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    To hell with Hulk. I want a GOOD Silver Surfer movie

    by Hesiod2k7

    One where he's traveling between the stars and getting mixed up in the Kree/Skrull war. The Hulk has always been the most overrated, hard to write character in the Marvel universe. Most writers treated him like a cheap plot device or a natural disaster. Even the marvel writers specifically tasked with writing for the hulk had a hard time with the character.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Marvel isn't to blame for the Spidey reboot.

    by Hesiod2k7

    That's Sony.

  • July 10, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    anyone have Loeb's new email at Marvel?

    by jnsin1960

    Apparently, he's the one to talk to about it now. Can you get a comment from him Beaks?

  • July 10, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Marvel's comics and movies have been failing for years.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • July 10, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons many times can they say "it had to be done" before people just stop believing them out of principle? They've replaced 2 actors in as many years (and threatened not to re-sign Jackson or give Rourke the money he was looking for); the Harry Potter movies have only replaced one actor in 9 years, and that guy died.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    seriously.........fuck this mess....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Marvel can recast across the board for all I give a shit....they've lost my support. They've lost my money. Why should I bother seeing Captain America? So I can end up liking Evans performance, get pumped for a Cap sequel and then watch him be replaced as well for some other kind of bullshit reason? If they could give a fuck less about fans and continuity then I could give a fuck less about their projects.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by Thanos0145

    was a terrible decision, but giving Norton the boot. Norton and RDJ were two of the best casting decisions made for your movies. Now, I could care less about the Avengers movie.<p>WHO ISN'T DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH IN HOLLYWOOD. STOP BEING SO FUCKING CHEAP MARVEL/DISNEY.<P>I guess it doesn't matter because Nolan's Batman is going to rule the summer of 2012!<p>DC ENT.>>>>MARVEL STUDIOS

  • July 10, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I mean, I'm not gonna lie

    by Ribbons

    This news doesn't really affect my interest in the movie and I'm still going to give those bastards my money. I'm just astonished that people reflexively go "Wow, sounds like Norton was a jerk, congrats Marvel, you did the right thing." What are you basing that on, what they told you? Of course Marvel's not going to issue a press release saying "Ed Norton's not coming back because fuck that guy." It stretches credibility that they just keep happening to hire people that they literally CAN'T work with.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    Marvel's future involves the production of shitty films for mouth-breathing idiots.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by papersand

    Well said.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I've lost ALL interest in this film.

    by RedJester

    I'm predicting it will be Fantastic 4 level shite. As will Captain America, as will virtually every other movie I should be looking forward to...

  • July 10, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper


  • July 10, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    But those HULK HANDS must have made millions!

    by ToMonicker

    Those muthers had to been cheap as hell to make!!! <p> Cymbalta was quite insightful, although, I didn't get what he's on about the HULK having to be a speechless monster because of the TV show angle, since it was a MARVEL project both times. <p> I've nearly forgotten Ang's HULK and honestly. I never bothered with the reboot; I think the trailers turned me off, my impressions being that it was going to be a subpar experience, at best. <p> The only time I was ever into the HULK was I guess during Peter David's run on it, but since I sold them all back to the comic shop for a profit, I can't check that. <p> Since, I'm not emotionally invested in this, I guess that I'm not crushed about Ed's departure. Surely he can find other work though? <p> Also, I'm ashamed to admit, I didn't even consciously think about War Machine's recasting... I think at the time, I felt something was off, but to me Iron Man has been mostly about Robert Downey with highly forgettable confrontations... IM 2 was slightly better.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    This is depressing

    by Hervoyel

    Just having a conversation with my brother about this the other day and I was the one who had drank the Kool Aid on it. He was positive that there was no way Marvel could pull this off (in its "optimal" form) without losing somebody along the way or fucking up some linchpin detail. I'll be damned if he wasn't right. No Ed Norton means (to me at least) that Avengers is fucked off the map now.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I'm not crushed about Ed's departure. Surely he can find other w

    by fat_rancor_keeper's already been confirmed that "NOBODY will work with him" from a reliable source in this TB. Ignore any information to the contrary on IMDB.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Norton"s acting...

    by Quackfu

    I am truly torn about this. I look back at movies like American History X and Fight Club and am blown away. But to hear about this other side of him....the press release was unprofessional douschery but maybe not the wrong call after all....

  • July 10, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by Party_Animal_IV

    Norton's Hulk made more money than Ghost Rider, yet Ghost Rider gets a sequel. Might as well recast Downey while they are at it.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Topher Grace as Banner!!!!!!!!

    by The Dark Nolan

    I kid I kid.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Norton is just a another Bobby D, Al Pacino CLONE.

    by Professor_Monster

    Just like Sean Penn. And I can't believe people are surprised by Marvel - they've been nothing but assholes since the beginning, ask Don Cheedle, Mickey Rourke and Sam Raimi. The studio is full ofe penny pinching trash masters who would rather not sink the extra dime to make something truly classic. I can't even watch their older shit like Spidey 1, 2 and 3 - Fantastic Four 1 and 2, Daredevil, Electra, Iron Man - Lots here get wood over anything - This movie has no hope at being good, too many characters and we know how marvel handles that - Spidey 3 being the example.

  • July 10, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    Congrads, Edward. Big Screen HULK has been lukewarm at best, and the last outing was plain bad. Anyone who wants to do HULK has to forget about a photo realistic all CGI Hulk and go with a combo: Suits, puppets, models and SOME CGI. But MARVEL adaptations are on the decline now, while DC characters are on the rise. Its the Circle of Life!

  • July 10, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Maybe they will replace him with Hayden Christensen

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Cause he's such a good actor....

  • July 10, 2010, 10 p.m. CST


    by Dulcebase

    Enough with talented people getting pretentious about the Incredible Hulk. He's a giant green mad retard.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Ryan Reynolds will probably get it..

    by Axl Z

    He's everyone else in the comicbook-movie universe already.. BRING BACK NORTON!!!

  • July 10, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    "He's a giant green mad retard."

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...yeah but Banner is not. So getting a good actor to play that role is key. Marvel achieved that with Norton in IH and has now blown it by dropping him. If Norton's rep is sooooo bad that everyone just pussies out of the room the second he enters why was he even hired to fucking begin with? Why was he given control of writing and overseeing IH? LoL and then (gasp) people were shocked when he actually stood his ground? People boo-hoo about Norton's supposed issues during IH but they forget what he was standing up for....the IH movie not being dumbed down into a mindless action flick - you know the very same thing people who like Hulk fault IH for being. Norton may not be perfect but too many people are blindly shitting on him based on hearsay & internet gossip

  • July 10, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Thanks for mentioning my post. Someone else did earlier, and also called it insightful. :) I don't KNOW why the Hulk doesn't speak in either movie. I simply ASSUMED it was because of the old TV show. He's always spoken in the comic books, and it seems odd that he doesn't speak to comic fans. But it wouldn't seem odd to the millions of people out there whose ONLY experience with The Hulk is the Bixby/Ferrigno TV show. In fact, it would seem odd to them if he started talking! If anyone knows why the Hulk doesn't talk in Marvel movies, feel free to correct me. I assume he talks in those Animated movies they've done? Again,it's a wasted opportunity. Instead of playing TWO distinct characters, which any actor would enjoy, whoever plays Banner is just playing Banner. And the oddity of the Hulk never speaking is only going to be more pronounced in the usual quickfire banter we get from Whedon.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    Seriously, Marvel has ONE good franchise right now, and even that turned into shit.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterReturns

    boring, avengers will smell like ass

  • July 10, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    The 'Marvel statement' on HitFix

    by Axl Z

    Just reads like a complete asskicking. If he did take control then it only shows he has passion for the film and us giving his all, I get the feeling CE & CH are pretty much pushed around on set as they're unknowns overall, thus easier & cheaper. I'm really hoping it's fake, otherwise my respect for Marvel has just shot straight down.. (And strange thing is The Incredible Hulk film raised my respect Marvel after the fucking clone saga in the 90's..)

  • July 10, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Anyone privy to the financials on this production?

    by conspiracy

    With the names being thrown around, and the probably INSANE amount of CGI involved I'm guessing this project is really straining the seams of the Marvel/Disney internal ROI.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    "If he did take control then it only shows he has passion for th

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "If he did take control then it only shows he has passion for the film and us giving his all" I agree. They apparently can't deal with anyone willing to call them on bullshit movies though. They are also penny pinching assholes who could care less about the very same continuity THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE CREATING IN A COHESIVE ONSCREEN MARVEL UNIVERSE.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    hulk smash

    by Dulcebase

    If he was standing up for IH not turning into a mindless action flick, then probably should've used some serious tact, because the 2003 Hulk was a pseudo-cerebral shit-fest made by a pretty well respected guy. I imagine they were pretty sure that people just wanted to see the fucker break things, and it seems that they were right for the most part.

  • July 10, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    hulk breaking things is a no brainer

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    both movies delivered on that front

  • July 10, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    The lack of knowledge about films here is incredible

    by Ash Talon

    First, let's end this box office tally debate. You guys are all ignoring several important factors to analyzing box office receipts. One, the studios split the box office gross with theaters. Its not an even split, but theaters do get a portion of the box office. Two, advertising for major release (ie tentpole) pictures often costs as much as the production of the film itself. Three, Marvel also split box office receipts with Universal for both Hulk movies.<p> So what does this all mean? Neither movie made money. They both underperformed. If you're trying to prove that one movie made more money than the other, you're wasting your time. They both failed financially with the except of maybe turning a small profit (especially in regards to the financial risk of making the films) in merchandising or home video.<p> Second, let's talk about the Ang Lee Hulk film. When I first saw it, I wasn't a fan despite liking most of the stuff where the Hulk is actually on screen. It's very slow and boring, and Banner isn't very engaging as a character. I watched it again recently and really appreciated it more. A lot more. Yes, the panels suck. Yes, Banner is still boring, however I liked a lot more of the underpinnings to the story. I couldn't care less about father issues in stories (very overdone...thanks Peter David). However, the issues of creation and self-awareness are rather interesting. And the Hulk scenes are awesome. The scene where Hulk destroys the tanks is amazing. I like how thick Hulk is. I like how his face resembles Bana. I like how Hulk moves like a completely frustrated child at times. Yes, Nolte is over the top. I think it's a somewhat interesting parallel with his son being so restrained. The father wants the son to live up to what he thinks is his potential. There's at least a kernel of something interesting there.<p> Third, let's talk about Louis Letterier's (sp?) The Incredible Hulk film. There's some interesting visual style to the opening. Some tension as Banner tries to escape while in South America. Some really cheesy stuff with bullies (is this a must for ever comic book movie?). And then Banner gets to America, and it feels like the movie grinds to a halt. The visual style seems to just become same filmmaking. There are no weighty issues behind anything. Norton's Banner isn't any more interesting than Eric Bana's. In fact, at least Bana's character was all about suppressing emotion. Norton's is about not getting excited. Two different angles to take with the character. One is surfacy. The other is deeper. Liv Tyler looks like she could pick up Norton and throw him across the room. They do not look like a proper couple. What about the Hulk himself? He's way too top heavy with a wasp-thing waist which doesn't fit the majority of comic Hulk designs. He doesn't have any resemblance to Norton in the face. And he doesn't have much personality to his body language. The final showdown with Abomination isn't very interesting either, since everything other than the street in the beginning is fake. The helicopters look terrible. As do the buildings they fight on and over. It's embarrassingly bad CGI. But all these faults aside, the movie isn't terrible. It's just about nothing. It's fluff.<p> Lastly, Banner's recasting? Who cares? Banner's not likely to play a huge part in the Avengers. He's probably only in a few scenes. Norton did nothing memorable as the character. Neither did Bana, but I'd rather have Bana back. And for anyone thinking directors and producers should just put up with troublesome actors are fools who have never had to deal with creative types. They're children. Some need babying. Some need scolding. They're emotional creatures, and yes, you have to deal with that to an extent. However, a director is a general. He's controlling hundreds of people on a film. He can't be bothered with having to respond to every little random issue someone raises. He can't have people question his judgment or vision. Neither can a general. You can't have people constantly questioning your authority or everything will fall apart. Norton is one of those guys that just can't accept his place in a film. In his mind, he IS the film. You can't have that or the film is gonna fail on numerous levels.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Yet Another Vote for Consistency Marvel

    by Dilox Esp

    Pay up for Norton and i'll payup at the B.O. mucha grande many times!

  • July 10, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    According to HitFix, Marvel has just confirmed

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Than Norton will not be a part of the upcoming Avengers Production: <p> In a statement sent in direct response to yesterday's story from the set of "Captain America" in London, Marvel Studios President of Production Kevin Feige forwarded the following exclusively to HitFix: "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title role of Bruce Banner in the Avengers. Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming weeks."

  • July 10, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    This confirms what most of us already suspected

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Ed Norton obviously up to his usual PRIMA DONNA ways, so Marvel in a pre-emptive strike, decided to ditch his ass. <p> Can't really blame them...Afterall, there's too much money riding on this.

  • July 10, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Well, SCAR_JO...

    by Ribbons's hard for most of us mere mortals to summon up the objectivity to say things like "Go watch Rounders 2 so you can suck Norton's dick." Glad you're here to keep us all in line.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    No wonder IM2 sucked ass!!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Seems Jon and RDJ have become pussies and letting Marvel make decisions for them!<p>IM2 was nothing but a setup for The Avengers!

  • July 11, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    keeping objectivity...

    by soup74

    you really gotta wonder how bad norton must be for them to drop him from the avengers, AND the whole cast to let themselves be named in the press release. if any of the big named actors disagreed with this decision, they would have already been calling marvel out on their lack of tact.<br><br>wondering when we'll get more of the story.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Very last scene in Incredible Hulk

    by IceTitan

    I was hoping to see Norton take the character further after seeing him seemingly able to control the hulk.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by soup74

    you say "IM2 was nothing but a setup for The Avengers!" like its a bad thing.<br><br>if a bunch of people we're working together to make a large 7-8 story arc and universe, then there is going to have to be set up. plus its not like IM2 was ALL set up, but it had it's fair amount.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Dancing Iron Man=IRON MAN2 SUCKING ASS!!!!

    by Thanos0145

    NUFF SAID!!!!!

  • July 11, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Did you bring any tissues?

    by evergreen_peppermint_and_flashlight

    " Skull cracking, Red Baron flight jacket. My donkey chewing diapers in the snow." - Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

  • July 11, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck Norton...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Just kidding...but for chrissakes, let's keep the appearances of the alter-egos to a minimum in THE AVENGERS...let's just see the heroes fighting the villains--and NO DRAMATIC CHARACTER ANGST for their alter-egos!!! There will be way too many characters on screen anyway!

  • July 11, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Bob Cryptonight

    by IceTitan

    I like the idea of keeping the focus on the heroes and the larger picture itself but the alter-ego's give people somebody to connect with, something that makes the story seem "plausible" and not so much a giant cartoon, even tho' it is one.

  • July 11, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    HULK should be recast in every movie he's in.

    by dailysportspages

    In fact, why do we need comic book movie characters to be played by the same actor every time out? <br> I think if we recast them every single time you can then start to play with different aspects of the character. <br> Wouldnt it be great if a Wolverine trilogy was cast with a guy like Tom Hardy for the first movie, Hugh Jackman for the second, and Mel Gibson or Kurt Russell for the third.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    That sucks, I liked Norton just fine as Banner

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    It's the CGI Hulk that should be recast. Some shots worked but some didn't. For example that scene where he bust out of the window and yells at the soldiers. That looked fucking terrible. I didn't care for Ang Lee's film but at least his Hulk had more humanity in the animation. Here's hoping they learn from these two movies and use the best bits of each to create a better version.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST


    by IceTitan


  • July 11, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Giovanni Ribisi as Bruce Banner?

    by dailysportspages

  • July 11, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Bryan Cranston as Bruce Banner?

    by dailysportspages

  • July 11, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Why do people keep saying...

    by ClayG

    that the Hulk doesn't talk in the Norton film? You people need fucking ears. In the beginning, just after the first Hulking-out, he says 'Leave me alone.' Before the climactic fight with Abomination, he says "Hulk smash." I'm pretty sure he says 'Betty' at least once as well. He's not terribly loquacious, true, but he's not a mute, either.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Disapointed is to Marvel

    by Sergio Fish

    As sell out is to Disney.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Marvelous suicide

    by DioxholsterReturns

    they shouldve never entered the movie business.

  • July 11, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Welp, the project is dead to me.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Whatever, it was probably gonna suck anyway.

  • July 11, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Whats especially disgusting is that Norton was RIGHT

    by IndustryKiller!

    What Incredible Hulk needed was more room to breathe with the characters, the biggest flaw of the film is how little grounding it has. Marvel based their entire perception of the situation on the fact that Lee's Hulk was seen as too cerebral, which is erroneous as it was just a flat out bad film. Fuck Marvel and it's movieverse, they have proven they arent serious about doing it right, the whole thing is fucked. Done.

  • July 11, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Norton is crap if the director is crap.= Incredible Hulk.

    by Damien Chowder

  • July 11, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Oh now that's annoying. Ed was great in TIH. :(

    by Mr Nicholas

  • July 11, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    coolest blog ever!!! link below

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • July 11, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    "let's just see the heroes fighting the villains"

    by IndustryKiller!

    Fuck you you shallow assclown.

  • July 11, 2010, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Industrykiller, my, aren't we bein' overly surly?

    by victor_von_gloom

    Now regarding Amadeo Zeller's earlier post, Marvel made their position pretty clear, and considering Norton's penchant for hijacking every production he's been hired SOLELY to ACT in, surely (even) you can appreciate Marvel's decision to replace him, as opposed to allowing his PRIMA DONNA hijinx to become a distraction, thus compromising (as Marvel's Kevin Feige so eloquently put) the collaborative spirit of the upcoming film shoot? <p> ...Besides' sir, who wants to see a bunch of spandex clad super heroes over-emoting, just to appease your pretentious (yet false) sense of CULTURAL and INTELLECTUAL ELITISM? - So in closing: GET A GRIP, DOUCHE!

  • July 11, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    the whole Avengers concept is ridiculous

    by DioxholsterReturns

    how can hollywood do a good superhero alliance movie even they cant do a movie about a single superhero

  • July 11, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Ash Talon is wrong.

    by Professor_Monster

    Studios fucking OWN the theaters now - you're giving a lecture from 1981 asshat

  • July 11, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Bigheaded Marvel...

    by captaincrazy

    ...are set to feed the public any crap now, and the public will eat up the turd-covered films. Norton was okay, but not fantastic, but the films need consistency. Is he an asshole? Possibly, but so is 99% of the world's population. The other 1% are in their second trimester.

  • July 11, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    This has now been confirmed

    by barnaby jones

    Get out Hitflix for an update.

  • July 11, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    who cares?

    by theblackvegtable

  • July 11, 2010, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by theblackvegtable

    He's a good actor but he didn't own the role like Robert Downey Jnr did with tony stark. It wouldn't bother me if someone else played it. It would probably be 90% cgi anyway.

  • July 11, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Do a Deaths Head film & then I'll check the Avengers

    by Axl Z

    Until then fuck it, even my mrs couldn't believe they got rid of Norton and shes no geek.. puts up with my geek spasms really well so I think the general public will be pissed too now!

  • July 11, 2010, 6 a.m. CST

    Marvel have a bad rep for recasting..

    by Axl Z

    Was just thinking about it, Spider-Man, Punisher, Hulk, Various X-Men! Daredevil & F4 are coming again, seriously, every new Marvel film is almost a reboot. I seriously hope Wesley Snipes & Nicolas Cage keep their gigs!!

  • July 11, 2010, 6:15 a.m. CST

    barnaby jones, Amadeo beat you to it.

    by victor_von_gloom

    Check his 11:38 pm post + the actual statement from Marvel's Kevin Feige.

  • July 11, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Ed clearly wasn't happy with their plans...

    by wildphantom07

    'rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members'<p> In other words Norton wasn't happy with the way Hulk is to be used in the movie. Hardly surprising.<p> I'm a little disappointed, but we've plenty of time to accept whoever comes in now. Inevitable unveiling at comic-con I would have thought.

  • July 11, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    MArvel being cheap

    by mojoman69

    Hey Ed Norton's gotta eat. I bet they dotn try to low ball RDJ for playing iron man. Wake up MArvel, if you want to play with the big boys you have to sign the paycheck!

  • July 11, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Marvel succumbs to greed

    by omega_786

    it was bound to happen...comics are for fans. movies are for profit.

  • July 11, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST


    by omega_786

    WOuld be great of Bale/Routh were engaged in Batman/Superman. HTat would be awesome under the tuttilage of Nolan!!!!!

  • July 11, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Edhardy Bikini $ 16

    by jordanercominc

    -------------- ----------- a leading worldwide w holesaler company (or ucan say organization). We supply more than 100 thousand high-quality merchandise and famous brand name products all at wholesale prices.

  • July 11, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $15

    by jordanercominc

    -------------- ----------- a leading worldwide w holesaler company (or ucan say organization). We supply more than 100 thousand high-quality merchandise and famous brand name products all at wholesale prices.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    Why not?

  • July 11, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    Sure, could work. The ultimate Stan Lee cameo.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Good news to me

    by Dazzler69

    Norton did not do that great a job on this, might have been the stories fault, they have to pull (great) stories from the comics. There is a goldmine of stories there. Directors are taking material and trying to hollywood it up way too much. We need more stuff like Watchman and Kickass which are true the the stories.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil dude Check Yourself Dumbass HULK SPEAKS IN BO

    by SuperWelling

    HULK SPOKE TWICE IN ANG LEES HULK AND 3TIMES IN THE INCREDIBLE HULK U MORON! IN ANG-LEES HULK HE SPOKE the first time in a DREAM SEQUENCE WHERE HE GRABBED BANNER AND CALLED HIM "PUNY HUMAN" and at the end of Ang lees Hulk When hulk was Fighting NICK NOLTE ,The Hulk Actually said u want my power " TAKE IT ALL!!!!!!! and in the Incredible hulk he told the ARmy "LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! and then OF Course Later on he PrOCLAIMED, HULK SMASH!!! and at the very end he Said "BETTY" so hulk has spoken in the Movies DUMBASS!!

  • July 11, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    (500) DAYS OF HULK

    by BringingSexyBack

    Bruce: "So ... you're married." <P> Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?" <P> Hulk: "You should've told me ..."

  • July 11, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    "let's just see the heroes fighting the villains"


    I bet you liked X-men 3?

  • July 11, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Autumn: "Do you ... go to Angelus Plaza?" <P> Hulk: "Yes ... that's like my favorite part of the city." <P> Autumn: "Yeah, yeah I think I've seen you there." <P> Hulk: "Really? I haven't seen you." <P> Autumn (After pause): "You must not have been looking ..." <P> Bruce: "You wanna grab a coffee or something?"

  • July 11, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    HULK: "HULK STASH!!!!!!!"

    by BringingSexyBack

    Betty: "Yeah let's get high."

  • July 11, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's why Comic-Con is gonna be sooooooooo awesome.

  • July 11, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 11, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    lol. <p>who cares.

    by alice133

    the avengers starring bruce banner.<p> cant wait.

  • July 11, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack can be

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Ant Man....little fucker

  • July 11, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I'll try harder next time

    by barnaby jones

    Crap news though. Watched The Illusionist again yesterday. Norton is top bananna

  • July 11, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Sorry to post completely off topic, but I have

    by southafricanguy

    just watched Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland What a giant piece of shit. I am shocked and dumbfounded after watching it. I literally cant believe how bad it is.....words fail me........

  • July 11, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Anyone else? I ve known for a while that

    by southafricanguy

    Burton was just a shell of himself these days, but apprantly the real Burton died at some point while a zombie called Tim Burton is still walking around making films that literally feel as if they were made by a fucking zombie....

  • July 11, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy why were you surprised

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Even the previews looked like a androgynous abortion

  • July 11, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I say goodbye

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Getting tired of actors/actresses sticking their noses into every aspect of a movie.<p>If they are hired to act. Then, just act.<p>If they want to be in ivolved in all aspects then be a producer, writer, and actor.<p>I don't put the whole blame on Norton. Marvel obviously has hired people who don't know squat about the character(s) they are trying to get on the big screen.<p> Like an abstract painting stuff is thrown up onscreen hoping we all get the intrepation. Can't be done that way. Has to be clear to the audience. Very clear.

  • July 11, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 11, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I like Johnny Depp but I've about had it with his antic roles. Pirates included. It's become tedious to watch. Public Enemies was almost a return to form, but the movie was definitely lacking in script and story. He was not close to being engaging. I wish the Depp from Donnie Brasco would make a return.

  • July 11, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Something Norton obviously does not understand.

  • July 11, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    BSB I want to troll in your mouth

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    and on your lower back

  • July 11, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    mjdeadcorpse......well to answer your

    by southafricanguy

    question, I was expecting it to be bad, but literally one of the worst films I had ever seen, and the worst film Burton has ever made, which is saying something after POTA, and most of his post 90's work. I am simply amazed that it made a billion Dollars. I cannot understand how clearly many people seemed to like this enough to propel it towads a billion. I actually thought it was even worse than TF2, and I did nt think I would ever see a worse Summer film than TF2. But holy shit Burton managed to outcrap Bay.....fucking sad.

  • July 11, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    And is it just me or is the lead actress just

    by southafricanguy

    absolutely atrocious? I thought her acting was unbelevably bad, like porn star bad. Except thats an insult to the acting that porn stars do to compare them to that actress. Holy shit, even Depp was bad, something I never thought I would say. Nevermind that its flat out the most fucking ugly designed film I have ever seen, and there is no rhyme or reason for anything that happens.....I just cannot put into words how completely godawful it is...............

  • July 11, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    Everyone that acted in that film should be

    by southafricanguy

    embarressed, and Burto should just retire...seriously. It actually really bothers me that he wants to do a stop motion animted Addams Family movie as I love the Addams Family, and I dread how awful he will make it....

  • July 11, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by Thanos0145

    when it comes to working for Marvel Studios.(Christian Bale would agree.)<p>DC Ent. only hires PROFESSIONALS!

  • July 11, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    oh and speaking of burton...

    by emeraldboy!v=bFzLRP8e4vE&playnext_from=TL&videos=8BZtDHR8E0Q&feature=sub

  • July 11, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    one of the talkbackers put his finger on bone of contention..

    by emeraldboy

    that I have had for a long time really. there was a time when actors acted, directors directed and writers write. then I think it was the early ninties that actors effectively took over the running of hollywood. beatty was a one man band, thats for sure. He hasnt done anything in two deacdes. nit since bulworth. Hollywood stopped calling after that debacle. But actors have become to powerful. with them its starts with there production companies and their agents and managers. Ed norton is an actor but he has the mindset of a studio boss, he writes he produces and he edits and directs, in other he thinks he knows better than the studio and he will walk over anyone if he feels the monvie is substandard. Studios make films, they hire directors, actors etc and not ed norton. Mel gibson is another example. at least actors dont pull these stunts with Mr. Bay and Cameron. oh wait, oh yeah, that did happen with Megan Fox and she was booted off the franchise and as for qt. brad pitt said this, when you walk on to the set of taratino movie, you are in the church of quentin tarantino, and there is no room for heretics. sounds abit like this place these days.

  • July 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk DID out perform Hulk

    by SimianJones

    6/20/2003 Hulk $62,128,420 $132,177,234 $245,360,480 $137,000,000 6/13/2008 The Incredible Hulk $55,414,050 $134,806,913 $263,349,257 $137,500,000

  • July 11, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil dude Check Yourself Dumbass HULK SPEAKS IN BOT

    by SuperWelling

    HULK SPOKE TWICE IN ANG LEES HULK AND 3TIMES IN THE INCREDIBLE HULK U MORON! IN ANG-LEES HULK HE SPOKE the first time in a DREAM SEQUENCE WHERE HE GRABBED BANNER AND CALLED HIM "PUNY HUMAN" and at the end of Ang lees Hulk When hulk was Fighting NICK NOLTE ,The Hulk Actually said u want my power " TAKE IT ALL!!!!!!! and in the Incredible hulk he told the ARmy "LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! and then OF Course Later on he PrOCLAIMED, HULK SMASH!!! and at the very end he Said "BETTY" so hulk has spoken in the Movies DUMBAS

  • July 11, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk DID out perform Hulk - barely

    by SimianJones

    Barely. 6/20/2003 Hulk opening weekend: $62,128,420 us gross: $132,177,234 worldwide gross: $245,360,480 budget: $137,000,000 6/13/2008 The Incredible Hulk opening weekend: $55,414,050 us gross: $134,806,913 worldwide gross: $263,349,257 budget: $137,500,000

  • July 11, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Avi Arad is the one who needs to be squeezed out

    by Photoconductive

    He may have helped make Marvel Studios what it is today, but at this point he is just fucking it up. He's just a money man who doesn't care about what he puts on the screen.

  • July 11, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Simian Jones ur a Fucktard it outperformedANGCRAP!

    by SuperWelling

    and with Dvd sales kicked its ass grow some Balls u dipshit!

  • July 11, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Simian Jones ur a Fucktard it outperformedANGCRAP!

    by SuperWelling

    and with Dvd sales kicked its ass grow some Balls u dipshit!

  • July 11, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Comparing Hulk to Inc Hulk is like....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    comparing dicks at the's just gay

  • July 11, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    More Banner or Hulk?

    by Norm3

    Its obvious Norton wanted X amount of screen time. Sorry but I rather see more Hulk than puny Banner

  • July 11, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Michael Shanks is Bruce Banner

    by NoahTall

    He has after all had 13 years of playing the nerdy glasses wearing scientist who can get tough when necessary.

  • July 11, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    So... Norton not gay-friendly enough?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I smell the ultra-homo-friendly stench of Joss Whedon all over this one. ;-)

  • July 11, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse ur a fucktard

    by SuperWelling

    Hulk 1 was the Crap from your toilet Incredible Hulk is Steak!

  • July 11, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse ur a fucktard

    by SuperWelling

    Hulk 1 was the Crap from your toilet Incredible Hulk is Steak!

  • July 11, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Are we sure RDJ is actually going to be in it?

    by mnrshootingfromthehip

    Spoilers I guess: Iron Man 2 seemed to give the impression that Cheadle was joining up, not RDJ. Not saying Jr. Won't be in there somewhere, but I could see them going that route.

  • July 11, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Breaking news: Downey Jr. replaced by one of the Jonas Brothers

    by NHRonin

    Obviously, Mickey Mouse is running the show here. I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop which is Scarlett has been replaced by Miley Cirus.

  • July 11, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr is next! Mark my words!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I've suspected for awhile that IM3 will be RDJ last turn as Tony Stark! Not because he rather move on but because he probably gettting tired of Marvel and Jon BS!<p>Sam "I love paychecks" Jackson bullshit about having a 9 pic deal with Marvel is all fine and dandy, but I bet they'll fire his old ass before he reaches movie 5!<p>ScarJo is a goner no matter how things turns out! As soon as that Tony goes to her head she can kiss(and I wish I could kiss that too) her fine ass goodbye!

  • July 11, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    in talks spiderwoman! so the rumours say.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    mnrshootingfromthehip RDJ will be in it because

    by SuperWelling

    it was stated by marvel somewhere that the Incredible hulk movie Takes Place AFTER the EVENTS OF IRON MAN 2 and in TIH RDJ was already gungho about the AVENGERS!

  • July 11, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by mnrshootingfromthehip

    Thanks. I was pretty sure he would be in it, I just assumed it would be more of a supporting role, like he saves the day at the end or some shit, not in the entire move.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    RDJ also stated himself he'd be in it

    by Bouncy X

    he said he was doing avengers before iron man 3.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by XSE_Drake

    Hey Marvel, changing actors between films is not like changing comic book artists between story arcs. Norton is our man, and we want him to stick around.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    CONFIRMED! FAVREAU SAYS IM2 takes place b4 TIH

    by SuperWelling

    heres the link!

  • July 11, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    marvel movie continuity

    by davywankenobi

    If you pay close attention you see news clips of the hulk rampage on tv during IM2. Granted, this could be representing banner's initial "Hulk out" and then the events of the movie occure later. Either way, IM2 taking place before Inc Hulk, or even semi-concurrently, makes sense because that would explain why Tony is helping recruit for the team being put together at the end of Inc Hulk. Either way, as long as they are entertaining, I'm there. And for someone who's watched for almost 4 decades now, a bit of advice. Don't expect perfection and don't nitpick the shit out of it. Just enjoy that you finally get to see these characters in the flesh, or even computer generated flesh. None of the movies have been that bad. Except for Elektra and Punisher War Zone. Total crap fests. If you want a good Punisher movie, watch Man on Fire and pretend it's the Punisher. Best Punisher movie ever.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    500 Days...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...of Prick Tease. That's my review right there. JGL's character should have fuckin' gotten a life after about 20 minutes in.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I think Marvel should recast all they want!

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    In fact they should recast parts even within the same movie. Why pay one name actor to play the same role in a flick when you can probably pay 2-3 lesser known actors and still save money! They can even pick a lesser known actor who is buffed up for the action scenes. I mean WHY NOT? Continuity and consistency clearly DO NOT matter one single bit. Continuity obviously also doesn't matter to bitter Ang Lee fans still living in 2003 who fantasize about blowing Bana during his nude scene in Hulk. Avengers is going to be great....Iron Man can be played by those 2 twins Zack and Cody from the Disney channel. Nick Fury can be played by some audience members from a BET hiphop video show. Bruce Banner can likely be played by a few Mexican guys the producers can pick up along the side of the road in LA.

  • July 11, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Marvel is not cutting corners...

    by sevadro

    Edward Norton is a notorious pain in the ass, as well as supremely overrated as an actor. Just the facts ma'am.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by MrFacety

    Who cares. Norton is Hulk. Since the avengers is ruined, can I have a Punisher with a Matrix feel. Huge gun battles with cyborgs and mutants. The lobby scene extended for 2hrs. Bring back Keanu for it. I have a spec. LOL

  • July 11, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    sevadro: Edward Norton is a notorious pain

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Yup...which is why it made perfect sense for Marvel to hire him in the first place. That was a very smart move. Bring someone fully on board with a "bad rep" but whose excellent at what he does and let the chips fall where they may. Makes perfect sense and sounds like a reasonable plan that has certainly caused no backlash or issues whatsoever.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lol...thanks....I aim to please.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by MAD_MIKE

    Before I comment, I want to help you make your future posts clearer as someone else helped me. <P> to place breaks between your lines of text use the following; < P > do not put spaces between those arrows and the P and you will have line breaks. <P> Now my rebuttal. <P> I work as a writer and Artist. I Illustrate comics as well. I approach all of my stories from the standpoint of film and how to present my narrative in the clearest way possible. The best way to do this is to follow the rules of film. <P> I have studied a variety of books about the filming process from storyboarding to how to properly move a camera through a scene to lighting considerations. <P> I have watched thousands of films over my not short life. In fact, just this week alone my watched films list includes a few new ones and some I have seen before. <P> EXAMPLE: THIRST (Chan Wook Park), Whatever Happened to Baby jane, 3 days of the Condor, The Odessa File, Black Dynamite, BRONSON, Bronson, Ichii the Killer, The Fountain, Rashoman. <P> All solid films which hold up years after their release or even break new ground in genre narrative like THIRST does. My wife flips out when I correctly predict Best picture winners long in Advance which I have done 4 years straight. ( part luck, part gut feeling) <P> Now I stated that judging whether you will enjoy a film based on how it performs at the box office is moronic. <P> you disagreed with me saying that it is in fact a great Indicator of a films worth and quality blah, blah , blah. <P> Ok, well then, by your logic, I guess that means that the Twilight films must be Masterpieces of modern filmmaking. <P> I mean, they all cost less than $50 mil to make and have made hundreds of millions of dollars each. <P> I guess I should rush right out and study the greatness of something I long ago wrote off as drek from a moderately talented hack whose primary audience is 12-17 year old girls wno have yet to have their sexual awakening. <P> I mean that is what I have gotten from those films. Well other than the stomach ache my wife and I got after laughing our asses off though the first one. <P> Not a single film in the list of films I wrote above was a Major blockbuster, but they all deliver in all of the ways that count. solid acting, Solid Editing, solid Narrative, Smart directing and proper filling of the roles. <P> Little Miss Sunshine didn't make any money. It barelt made it beyond an Art House release. Yet I watched it agin last week and it was still hilarious. I originally heard of it through Word of mouth. <P> The Hurt Locker didn't make a dime. Yet it rightfully won best Picture on the strength of its actors and the Intensity of how it delivered its narrative. <P> When choosing a film or movie (there is a difference) to go see, You have to view each genre with what is expected of it. <P> Not everything is King Lear. Nor should it be. Yes it should still work to properly deliver the things I just listed as strengths in the films I viewed this week, But don't set expectations to unrealistic levels. <P> District 9 was an Oscar worthy film upon release. Even before word got out about how much it cost to make. <P> Comic films are escapism adventures. If you get one like Dark Knight that steps beyond its genre, It should be seen as what it is, an Exception. <P> That is not to say that other comic based flicks shouldn't strive to acheive the same level of quality as that, but it shouldn't be expected. <P> Hulk for example can deliver weighty substance in its narrative since the character is a case study in Psychology. <P> But, once you bring in the 10' tall GREEN MONSTER it loses a large dose of the reality. <P> And sorry, No matter how awesome the Practical or CGI effects are, a GIANT GREEN MONSTER will always look fake. Why? Simple, our brains cannot associate that with the reality in which we exist. <P> That is why Superhero films are Fantasy. <P> I have in previous posts already explained my outlook regarding the Hulk films and I stand by them. <P> I could easily go on and just write a dissertation on film, but honestly I see no point since I proved my argument within the first paragraph. <P> Thanks for playing, please come again.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Fuck<P> Marvel

  • July 11, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Regarding Norton

    by MAD_MIKE

    Norton is NOT an overrated actor. <P> He is very smart and chooses roles based on his personal Interest, primarily the Dual Natures of Man. <P> All of his films have him either playing a character who is two different versions of the id or go through a growth of character that they leave who they started out as behind. <P> Primal Fear had him presented as a vitem only to reveal him as a grand Manipulator. <P> Fight Club had him as a guy so burned out from trying to keep up in a worls he realy didn't like that he resorted in creating a subconcious personality that became his manifest response to the wrongs of the world as he saw them. <P> American History X had him play a Racist who goes through a awakening that completely changes who he was at the beginning of the film. <P> He recently played twin brothers in a film I don't know the name too. I. Hulk had him play a man who was inherently good but was plagued by uncontainable rage that literally tansformed him into a different person. <P> This is his Interest, and it is also a lot of what he tried to bring to the Hulk. <P> The Studio was afraid it would bog the film down like the Ang Lee version and cause it to fail. <P> I liked him alright as Banner, but will not miss him in the role.

  • July 11, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    No way Cheadle was better

    by corvette63

    than Howard. Just say'n.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Brody as HUlk

    by mojoman69

    hey he is skinny enuf.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I like Ed Norton...

    by Ironhelix

    ..but if his meddling with the most recent Incredible Hulk movie had anything to do with the result, then I am glad he's not coming back. His Hulk movie was fucking stupid beyond belief. Ang Lee's (underrated) movie at least tried to explore the psychological aspects of being the Hulk. Because really, without exploring that side of it, all you're left with is a giant green guy smashing shit in CGI. There is an unbelievable wealth of exploration that could be done into the psyche of the Hulk, and so far, only Ang's even bothered to try.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper there one person in existence in this TB who is happy about losing Norton that isn't also totally gay for Ang Lee's "underrated" "masterpiece"? A movie which failed so bad that it actually prompted the reboot and gave Norton the job to begin with.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    johnny depp lives to please crazy girl teenagers

    by DioxholsterReturns

    other than that demographic, he should be wasted.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Depp is the crazy keanu Reeves

    by DioxholsterReturns

    just as bland but with a touch of gay

  • July 11, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Keanu was king of surferdom at some point.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    SuperWelling must eat human feces...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    if he thinks Inc Hulk is steak. That movie was monkey garbage. Tim Roth was awful in that flaccid POS. The only good Hulk is a Live Action one. CGI Hulks suck ballz. Maybe you can convince Cameron to do an AVATAR style CGI Hulk...I'm sure it won't be gay.

  • July 11, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    IronHelix ur A Fucking MORON ANGHULK SUCKED!

    by SuperWelling

    Letteriers Hulk was INFINITLEY Superior than that PEICE OF SHIT! ur obviously a Loser with really BAD TASTE!

  • July 11, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse must Drink dog Piss ....

    by SuperWelling

    out of a straw and u must be an extreme fucking Moron if u think anything in angs Hulk is Good Crackhead Nick nolte Hulkdogs? 20 foot Hulk? Banner who acted like he had a Dick up his ass(u probably loved that) Nuff saif ur a Fucking MORON loser if u think ANGS hulk was Good! LMAO

  • July 11, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    When did I say Ang Hulk was good ya mongoloid?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I said they were both gay. ANG Hulk did suck nutz, but Inc Hulk also sucked. And if you liked either one, then you're a pedophile and you should register yourself at that watchdog site. Now excuse me, I have to go cum inside of your mother and lay there until my sperm fertilizes another egg.

  • July 11, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Superman news please.

    by UltimaRex

    Because I'm not interested in this. At all.

  • July 11, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Norton doesn't want to be in it.

    by GhostDad

    He did nothing but fight with the studio during The Incredible Hulk, and has outright said he wasn't happy with the final cut of the film. Why in the blue hell would he even want to do The Avengers?

  • July 11, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk Poodles

    by NHRonin

    That's all that needs to be said in regards to that film's status compared to TIH.

  • July 11, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by Baryonyx

    "He recently played twin brothers in a film I don't know the name too." Wow, you must really know everything there is to know about Norton... or maybe not.

  • July 11, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    @MAD_MIKE... well said!

    by 13243546576879809

  • July 11, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I sure hope someone from Marvel or Joss is...

    by DarkHawke

    ...reading this (also hopefully ignoring the standard amount of trolls and flame warfare). I'm stunned they're trying to cheap out on another actor again after the Sam Jackson debacle, and now with all that sweet new Disney money!. I know I'm weird in loving the FIRST Hulk movie, but hey, it was light-years better than the weenier, powered-down Norton Hulk, and I'd LOVE to see Eric Bana reprise the GOOD Hulk in the Avengers movie. That said, I too would prefer to keep the continuity clean, especially with significant characters. Rhodey was one thing, Bruce Banner is entirely another. If Norton's really okay with not being the big star of the piece, then why not? Meet the man's number and just make ALL KINDS of fucking money in '12 when a full-on version of The Avengers takes the goddamn world by storm!

  • July 11, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    maybe someone can answer me this..

    by emeraldboy

    gen ross has been banners nemesis from day one. why or who was allowed change that in the second film. ross wanted the hulk destroyed. what gave the story its dynamic was that plus Bruce banners desire to rid himself of the hulk once and for all. the banner part of the hulk gave the story an emotional edge. but back tom my question why did the screenwriters change gen ross? and if this avengers film goes ahead. will they re-write ross back in as the villain which he was. the the incredible hulk was terribly written movie. awful in every respect. I liked the odes to bixby in the opening mins of the film. the movie had a lot of pace as banner went on the run. then he returned to the lab where he had the accident. then the film completely collapsed, jettising any sense storywise from that point onwwards. then liv tyler started her crying shtick. then they seemed to give us the general ross of old. but then as we know the writers for some reason did a u-turn. the dumb shits on this site who wanted a hulk smash a thon really must have a field day. when the filmmakers dropped the plot compeletely and lets destroy some stuff and lets turn the end of the movie one long elongated, badly designed fight sequence against the badly designed cgi hulk and the equally shoddily designed abomination. so the hulk movie shouldnt have a plot of any kind? I remember a story that before universal greenlit ang lees hulk. which everyone so despises, that a writer, whose name i cant I recall, wrote a scene in which a cgi hulk trashes las vegas. that scene was rejected on budgetary grounds. my main complaint with the last two hulk movies was apart the terrible screenplay in the 2nd one, was the design of the hulk itself. but I suppose CGi is a better substitute for a guy wearing green paint!

  • July 11, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Norton helped Marvel out. Now they fucked him, and fucked him go

    by DarkhawkPrime

    The Hulk was Hollywood poison, and they best Marvel could hope for was B-level talent at the most, and you could see that with a script by ultra-hack Zak "X-men Last Stand and Elecktra" Penn and Luc Besson's coffee boy Louis Leterrier getting hired to direct. I read the Penn script and it was shit, it was a direct sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk. All signs pointed to this flick being a direct to video fare. Marvel knew they had shit and needed a savior, so they approached Norton with an aspect of creative control. Norton got the script into working shape, and he helped a create a good film who's only fault was coming after Iron man and before The Dark Knight. Norton fought for every inch of film in that movie. I would hate to see the studio cut, I'm sure it would've been 96 minutes. Without Norton and his rewrites do you think William Hurt would be in the film? Tim Blake Nelson? The Incredible Hulk had a independent movie/popcorn film vibe going for it. Something tells me the reason Norton might not be in The Avengers is because he probably wanted total control on a Hulk sequel which Marvel wasn't willing to give up.

  • July 11, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It's obvious he's done it before. Don't let his macho facade fool you.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    You guys are dumb as fuck

    by filmstu2005

    For all of you calling Norton a "notorious pain" and "difficult to work with", seriously, do you even know the guy personaly? No! All you know is what you've seen iin his films, and let me tell you, the guy's a damn good actor. If you actually read the reports, Norton WANTED to be part of the ensemble film. he was excited about the whole movie, and Marvel just fucked him with their wack statememnts. But read this letter put out by Norton's agent, and it explains the foolhardiness of Marvel Films and the fact that they're being cheap a-holes trying to tarnish a strong actor's artistry and image. If he was so awful to begin with, why did he have a meeting with Joss Whedon, director of the Avengers film, and it went "exceptionally well" and that he was excitedto be in the film? you read it first.

  • July 11, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Do you know him personally?

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    How do you know of all the positives that you expressed in your post? Anybody out there can make it look bad or good in any report. <p> Love moron talkbackers who think they have the inside scoop.

  • July 11, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Ok, fine, if no one else want to ask the obvious...

    by iontyre

    It's the damn Avengers, so the really important question is, who is playing Mrs. Peel?

  • July 12, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Emerald Boy

    by Mighty Chin

    Really? You couldn't follow the plot that closely? I am actually debating right now explaining a plot that was so clearly defined! Gen Ross's desire to destroy The Hulk was negated by his realization he inadvertantly created some creature that was more dangerous. Maybe it was the fact that Blonsky was a trained soldier and that Banner was a nerd and faced with the choice between the two he chose the lesser if two evils! Really it's all there for those who aren't retarded!

  • July 12, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    To the guy posting the nutcase .com sites

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Thank you, you filled the spot just nicely since the other resident crackpots of aicn seem to be on vacation or something.

  • July 12, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST

    i seem to recall that not long after Iron man..

    by emeraldboy

    Gywneth paltrow issued a statement via a spokeswoman that she was quitting the film business. turned out to be groundless. so I think that there will be some sort of deal cobbled together, which allows norton to come back. This movie is a joss whedon film. joss is no slouch in the control freak department either. we all remember that legendary spat between whedon and the people who made buffy the vampire slayer the movie. sarah michelle gellar was an unknown to US audiences when she got the gig. as was david boneranz. but whedon was the guy in charge. is whedon writing this also? if so, my feeling is that he would want compelte control. norton would also want that. marvel sensing this. froze him out. Wheedon has form. is all i am saying.

  • July 12, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Fat Rancor

    by Laserhead

    You've seen the new story update, right? How Marvel had such a terrible time working with Norton once, they never want to do it again? Eat it, douche.

  • July 12, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 8 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 8 a.m. CST


    by papersand

    'Nuff said.

  • July 12, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    norton would be out of place in

    by emeraldboy

    an ensemble. ensemble requires the actors to work together. and I cant see norton doing that. unless the film is like jackie brown in a story structure. in the end all the strands are pulled together. hmmm

  • July 12, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by MAD_MIKE

    So what If I did not know the name of that Norton film. I have not seen it yet. Of course I know the basic plot of it. Also, I don't see how that in any way takes away from the fact that my post and by extension my summation of Norton could be seen as incorrect. Looking back, I never once claimed to be a Norton expert. <P> that said, any moviewatching monkey with half a bannana can look over the history of Nortons roles and see where his actual interests lie. <P> Do you have at least half a bannana?

  • July 12, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    if you were to have the hulk without banner...

    by emeraldboy

    that would mean you to write a story where, the hulks dna gets extracted. a machine gets built where in chamber you have banner and in another chamber you have the hulk. someone murders dr banner. the villian who could be the leader tampers with the hulk's dna to create a monster who looks like the hulk but is uncontrollable and is a WMD. someone has kept some of dr banners blood. his cousin whom he hasnt spoken too in ages jennifer walters gets into a car accident. she gets taken hospital and his give her cousin davids blood which is infected. enter she hulk.

  • July 12, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    call Feige - 310-220-8904

    by everything_sucks

    310-220-8904. call. complain. let him know that this is what "suck" is. being a Marvel fan can SUCK because these idiots constantly screw up good things. and then they make The Fantastic Four. And Ghost Rider. And Elektra. And Wolverine. Please make them STOP!

  • July 12, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by thebastard

    Fuck Marvel those ignorant cock-suckers. They wouldn't know a good choice for Banner if it kicked their collective teeth down their throats. I guarantee you whoever they pick isn't going to be as good as Norton. They fucked up, big time. I for one, needless to say, am fucking pissed. and with how the casting for Captain America is looking I'd say I'm thinking this project is starting to look like a dried out turd on a bad stretch of road, regardless of RDJ's involvement.

  • July 12, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    This is a stunt

    by DrManhattansUnit

    This is all a stunt. At the Comicon panel, Norton will be in the audience. They'll badmouth him, he'll get angry and turn into Lou Ferigno.

  • July 12, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    SJ's BM

    by BroVinny

    I just get a kick out of his insane posts. Well worth the price of admission.

  • July 13, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by kickyouinthenickels

    no matter what marvel does they will never have a movie match up with DCs/Chris Nolans Batman trilogy.

  • July 13, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    My vote goes to Zombie Bill Bixby

    by tangcameo

    Ed Norton is the Blandinator. Even being a pissed-off Banner or a survivor of Hannibal Lecter, he manages to bland the hell out of ALL his roles.

  • July 13, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    by e4cn14

    YOU MUST NOT MISS IT!! Recommend good website Thanks to share with you. ACCEPT PYAPAL PAYMENT .YOU MUST NOT MISS IT!!!free shipping. I bought two double. Very good.Thanks to share with you. kogogo,Inc. We are the best online dealer,about all kinds of retailing and wholesale trade wordwidely for years. Free Shipping And Customs,Super Sale Off Retailing,With 1Week Delivery to your door. a leading worldwide wholesaler company (or u can say organization). We supply more than 100 thousand high-quality merchandise and famous brand name products all at wholesale prices. Start your wholesale sourcing here today and experience first class service and fast shipping. The website wholesale for many kinds of fashion shoes, like the nike,jordan,prada, also including the jeans,shirts,bags,hat and the decorations. All the products are free shipping, and the the price is competitive, and also can accept the paypal payment.,after the payment, can ship within short time. ACCEPT PYAPAL PAYMENT .YOU MUST NOT MISS IT!!!free shipping. I bought two double. Very good.Thanks to share with you.