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Massawyrm says PREDATORS is the sequel PREDATOR deserves!
Hola all. Massawyrm here.
If there’s one thing that can be said about PREDATORS, it is that it is the sequel that the original PREDATOR always deserved. It is faithful, fun, loud and hits every note that you want out of a PREDATOR film. More importantly, it is without a doubt the very best PREDATOR sequel thus made, one that will make you completely forget that the property was nearly buttfucked into oblivion by the unholy pairing of it with the ALIEN series, something that may have worked well in comic books and video games, but not onscreen. It spends the bulk of its time going back to the original formula that worked so well – giving us a group of unquestionable badasses and then having those nearly inhuman ass beaters killed almost indiscriminately by something much bigger and scarier than they are. And if you go into PREDATORS wanting to see that movie, you will not be disappointed.
PREDATORS wastes zero time getting to the point. The movie opens with our protagonists dropping through the atmosphere and BAM! We’re in the jungle. The setup from there becomes something of a “locked room” kind of film as a number of strangers wake up, none of them trusting one another, and are forced to work together to figure out what the hell is going on. Loaded to bear with plenty of weapons and ammo, this puts some seriously top shelf mother fuckers up against the baddies we all know and love, and what follows is nearly two hours of running, shooting and pithy dialog.
But if PREDATORS has one glaring flaw, it is that it is a great idea that forgets the chief law of horror film sequels. ANY horror sequel needs MORE. More blood, more terror, more fucked up scenarios. Something. You have to escalate the situation or else you are simply remaking the original. And to a certain degree, that is exactly what this is. If you’ve never seen a PREDATOR movie before, this film will no doubt be loaded with surprises; if, however, you have, then PREDATORS has very little to offer in the way of new material or ideas. There are a few very neat new hunting techniques, but on the whole, these are the very same monsters we’ve seen 4 times already, played with or against in a plethora of video games and read about in scads of comic books. If you’re the type of person likely to be tapping their feet, waiting for this to do something new and different, you will be sorely disappointed.
What this is, in all actuality, is the wet dream movie so many of us daydreamed about back in 1999 when it was announced that Rodriguez was working on the script for it. And this is very much that film – without the benefit of being the 3rd PREDATOR film. The characters are all great here, but their deaths don’t seem to carry as much weight as they did in the first film nor do they seem as gory.
That said, what the film does do, and the few story twists it gives us are all spot on. I personally wanted to see the film go in a different direction in the third act – purely because it was an angle we hadn’t seen before – but was just fine with where the movie wanted to take me. Say what you will, the film is never boring. It is loud, violent, fast paced and worth every minute you devote to it. And when it gets to its kicker of an ending, you get the desire to see the next film immediately – though you simultaneously know you don’t necessarily need to.
I really dug this film. It is 100% action, played out with some bad mother fuckers. That’s it. Few real character arcs. No real meat to the story. Nonstop tension and lots of death. If you’re looking for some good old fashioned, R rated, monster movie action fun, this is your film. If you expect more than that, this film has nothing to offer you. It is simple, straight forward and absolutely solid. Awesome summer fun, this is the film that will wash the taste of the AVP series out of your mouth and remind you why you dug this series so much in the first place.
Until next time friends,
Massawyrm
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A good movie this summer that isn't Toy Story 3.
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wanting to see this more and more.
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I'm definitely going to see this, but I must say, the reviews so far make it sound pretty average.
Having said that, I don't think we can really underestimate the damage the AVP movies did in terms of audience anticipation. As long as it's fun & respects the original more than those travesties did, it'll be fine by me. -
I'll check this one out. Need something to do until INCEPTION arrives.
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Boy, was this a let-down. "100% action"? I found it pretty much the opposite, a lot of talk, very slow paced (the first half hour goes by at a snail's pace). What little action there was, was over quickly, and mostly not very well shot. Laurence Fishbourne's turn was just downright painful, and he existed only to impart one small piece of information to the other characters. And then it turns into a duller remake of Predator for it's finale. Oh, and the Predators themselves were lame as fuck.
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I'm sorry but these Characters do not need any more sequels. Unless they are all in the same movie.
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what this, Predators is the true sequel to Predator nonsense talk is about. Reviews have been decidedly mixed so far, so it's not a homerun anyway. Once again, AICN is showing its bias.
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I saw you at The Sorcerer's Apprentice last night with your Spill buddies. Not sitting in the press rows. Taking seats from the good hearted folks who waited in line. Sit in the fucking press rows, asshole. What a piece of shit you are.
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in the same way that Alien and Aliens were Horror. The AvP movies were just horrifying...
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Predator 2 was fucking awesome. If you're only a fan of the first film you're not a fan at all.
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Part 2 is okay. I hope this one is fun.
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Predator 2 was a pretty good movie! It hasn't aged well, admittedly, but it certainly isn't the awful movie you're all making it out to be.
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Danny Glover is a piss poor protagonist and the whole future LA shit just looked ugly... It wanted to be Robocop or something... Plus I hate Bill Paxton in it.
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Seriously.
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And SEED wasn't bad. The second two-fifths of the CHILD'S PLAY franchise was far superior to first trilogy.So, you know, I don't believe in hard and fast rules about when something should go away -- because all it takes is a good idea.
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Bride of Chucky? Amazing? No. Have you ever seen the first Child's Play? Its hard to accept a satiristic piece of shit as amazing, tho FUN is not a bad characterization. I mean, any film in which Chucky kills Britney Spears can't be taken very seriously, comedy or not.
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It's been years since I've seen it, but I was absolutely blown away by the beginning of the movie, which I think was just like 10-15 minutes of nothing but gunfire, explosions, and cursing. I guess it's been outdone many times over by Michael Bay, but for the time I think it was a pretty impressive maelstrom of violence.Too bad the rest of the movie was so bleh. They could have just released that opening sequence as some kind of avant garde statement on cinematic violence and had a minor masterpiece on their hands.
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I've been trying to steer clear of spoilers but I keep getting the impression that this film somehow ignores or negates Predator 2. Is that the case? I'll be pissed if it is. Predator 2 might not be great but once I got over the lack of Arnie I've always enjoyed watching it.
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Jul 09, 2010 10:01:17 AM CDT
Watched the original last night in preparation for tonight
by can_you_fly_bobby
Glad to hear that this one is good.
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How is aicn being biased and how are the reviews mixed, when the majority of them have been positive. Its currently fresh @ rotten tomatoes. Pretty much all the reviews are stating the same as massa's.
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You need to have words with Capone.
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buff him up?? Action heroes don't all need fucking muscles!
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I agree with you.
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Seriously.
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The guy is definitely not resting on his laurels. He was great in The Jacket and in Splice and if an Academy Award winning actor wants to do genre work, let him!
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...but it sure smells good!
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I didn't like anyone in it (besides Busey) and it was ridiculous that the Predator went out like that against Glover. Ridiculous.I've heard decent things about this one, but nothing new is explored in it and Fishburne is bad.
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I think the problem with the AVP movies wasn't the concept of mixing the series (as you said, it worked well in other formats) but was how they chose to do it in the films.One of the reoccurring themes in the video games was how the humans were constantly trying to tame the alien species and were even trying to capture some of the Predators. The point is, the humans knew about both species in the games and it was set during a time period (sometime after Aliens but before Aliens 4 probably) where the humans could actually do something about it. The Colonial Marines were bad ass and it was just as much about fighting back and stopping the other species from running amok as it was about surviving.Of course, the games also had campaigns that allowed you to play from the Predator and Alien points of view as well and I could understand how that may be difficult to translate to film, but why on Earth can we not have a futuristic AVP movie with the advanced weaponry, ships, and the marines. Modern day clueless humans just struggling to survive seems to not be quite as interesting and yet they keep doing it.
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It sure sounds like the fix is in on these reviews. The simple fact that Predators are killing people on screen seems to be enough. Why is it any kind of success to just rip off the original movie - without even taking the time for setup and character that the original had?"It spends the bulk of its time going back to the original formula""it is a great idea that forgets the chief law of horror film sequels""you are simply remaking the original. And to a certain degree, that is exactly what this is""PREDATORS has very little to offer in the way of new material or ideas.""on the whole, these are the very same monsters we’ve seen 4 times already, played with or against in a plethora of video games and read about in scads of comic books""their deaths don’t seem to carry as much weight as they did in the first film""That’s it. Few real character arcs. No real meat to the story."Two thumbs up! It's dynamite!
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Jul 09, 2010 10:35:21 AM CDT
Fuckin sweet. Massa is pretty trustworthy
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Me and a mate are going tomorrow. This friend of mine loves Predator so much he talked me into seeing Requiem at the flicks. Now to set the record straight he and I hated both AVP films. He just has an eternal hope that someday, someone will make another worthy Predator. For my mates' sake I hope this is it.
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Massawyrm says PREDATORS is the sequel PREDATOR deserves... but not the one it needs right now.
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Fuck that.
AvP is like PB&J.
It's not the properties fault that some asswipes can't make a great movie out of a killer concept.
The AvP comics are some of the finest sci-fi action ever written.
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Reviews for this movie seem to be all over the place. I want to like this movie so bad, don't wanna get burned like the last 2 AVP movies. Better be fun damn it! And if it does well enough hopefully the soon to be out of work Govenator will come back, if only for a cameo in a future installment.
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It was such a bad film.
Rivaling perhaps New Moon for shittest film of the year.
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I liked AVP and thought AVP:Requiem was fun for the most part. This one looks like a remake of the original. I'll see it, but probably on DVD.
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Blaine and Hawkings were killed by a fucking lizard?!There's two or three men out there at the most!Fucking lizards!
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He loves movies like Smoking Aces, oh and that Keira Knightley/Tony Scott shitfest Domino movie. Which is totally the worst movie ever... Ever.
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This review couldn't be further from the truth. Predators is just the worst. I would even go as far as saying it is worse that avp2. The characters are not believable, you just don't care about them. The sub plot ( as small as it is, is just not needed). There are no Scares or bits of this film that make you jump. The fight scenes are dreary and almost non existent. Lurence fishburn has now moved into comedy acting. Believe me this film is bad bad bad on all levels. I wouldn't even bother waiting for dvd. It is full of boring dialog and predictable deaths. Please don't waste your money! When i left the cinema a group of four lads leaving behind me all said what i was thinking. Quote " well that was a waste of time'!
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This review couldn't be further from the truth. Predators is just the worst. I would even go as far as saying it is worse that avp2. The characters are not believable, you just don't care about them. The sub plot ( as small as it is, is just not needed). There are no Scares or bits of this film that make you jump. The fight scenes are dreary and almost non existent. Lurence fishburn has now moved into comedy acting. Believe me this film is bad bad bad on all levels. I wouldn't even bother waiting for dvd. It is full of boring dialog and predictable deaths. Please don't waste your money! When i left the cinema a group of four lads leaving behind me all said what i was thinking. Quote " well that was a waste of time'!
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Lookin' forward to seeing it!
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Jul 09, 2010 11:00:04 AM CDT
Adrien Brody = NOT fitted for macho action film lead roles
by kungfuhobbit
Not even his best attempt at a Bale-esque grisly low Batman voice can save his action movie career from failing at first hirdle.
What were they thinking casting him in this role?!
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Good mix of humor & mayhem. Right after Kick A** as my favorite action flick this year. Yeah, hunting people in the city seems easier, doesn't it?
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Now what the hell where they doing out here?
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That movie was TERRIBLE! Like unbelievably terrible. It's EASILY in the top ten worst movies of the decade. I suddenly don't trust Massa's review here... still wanna see Predators, though. As long as it's a fun, gory, action movie, I'll enjoy it.
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fun , it's not gory, and it's not got andy action to shout about either. Man you guys are gonna be disappointed!
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Is a good solid 7/10 film although its definately a 10/10 film if you compare it to AVP.
There was a lot of action in the second half and the first 30 minutes are not boring, its slow and brooding and building up to the action and it works for me.
The Fishburne parts were dumb though and spoilt the flow of the film. Brody realy was excellent though and at no point did you think he wasn't a tough bastard.
The effects were great i thought and it was gory although the initial few kills were not as adventurous as i expected.
The only real problem i had was that the Predators are on screen a lot in the final 30mins and you do get the "its a man in a rubber suit" vibe now compare that to Predator 1 and 2 (which i watched both last night) and the Predator realy does look real, i don't know if it was because of Kevin Peter Halls movements but i could always except 100% that the Predator was real in those films. -
Phrase of the day.
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Was brilliant as well, almost exactly the same score as the first Predator and that made the film realy feel like a proper Predator film.
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a clue what you lot have been drinking before you watched this film but i wish i would of had some... Predators = giant octopus v's mega shark... just needs Debbie gibson.
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I love PREDATOR!
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Predator 2 was a good solid action film, complemented with a bountiful helping of dystopian satire.
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Not a menstruating one but a full blown Predator story sent in the 1800's or early 20th Century.We've seen modern day bad asses face a Predator and I think a film set in the American West hunting a stagecoach full of Western Archetypes or set in India at the height of the British Empire hunting down a unit of British soldiers in the Hindu Kush or something would be much more interesting. All of this Predators in a Jungle - it's been done really well, doing it again seems a bit lazy no matter what they add to it.
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Jul 09, 2010 11:21:28 AM CDT
"the chief law of horror sequels. ANY horror sequel needs MORE"
by scratchmonkey
Wrong. That's not the chief law of horror sequels, that's the chief law of *shit* horror sequels. They forget what made the original a good film in the first place and ramp up the body count instead. Escalation is for dummies.
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Damn right.
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my money back!
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It's not always a sign of shit - Aliens springs to mindBut then again it often does indicate a lack of structure or ideas and just leads to disjointed bloated messes.
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"The score was brilliant as well, almost exactly the same score as the first Predator"That's the whole problem. This film is just a kickoff of the original. If someone paints a copy of the Mona Lisa that includes all the things that make the Mona Lisa great, it DOESN'T MAKE THE COPY A GREAT PAINTING.This seems to be the great, fatal flaw in so many modern geeks' appreciation for copycat work. Just because you take the best parts of what was done before doesn't make your stuff good! Playing in a Beatles cover band doesn't mean you're a brilliant songwriter!
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the people behind it had no clue how to approach the property... present day i a fucking pyramid in antartica? with paul ws anderson directing? what the fuck did they expect! the video games and comics had the right idea! in space, with the space marines, a bunch of verified bad asses... instead we got movies that were completely unwatchable and seriously half a step away from teen slasher flicks!
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The A Team (okaaay) and Knight & Day (ummmmmmm), finally a movie I can proudly not pay for and enjoy.
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he's a whole lot smarter than Merrick. I'm going with Massa's recommendation, and I'll see the film over the weekend.
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It's only been the AvP movies that sucked. Predators has a better track record than The Alien Francise so far. There's now three good Pred movies. Only two Alien.
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that is all
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Massa's review is over before it begins and Capone makes his share a page w/ his Despicable Me review...
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Just seen Predators at cinema.If you liked the first 2 movies,you will like the 3rd,its that simple.No,its not as good as Arnies movie,but it couldnt be-the element of surprise about what the Predators look like under their masks is gone.But it is as good as Predator 2,and I would say its the true sequel to that movie.Forget the dire AVP abominations.By and large the plot is pretty much as some people have said-its Predator meets Lost.The story and script aint too bad,but the only real shitty bit is Laurence Fishburnes character-the idea of a survivor from a previous hunt is fine,but what they have done with this character is atrocious.No actor could have done much with such a badly written part.And for a character that has been evading the Predators for years,and has even killed a few,his death is really stupid and pointless.That aside,there is much to enjoy-the Predators hunting dogs were great,as was seeing two Predators fight each other.Adrien Brody was fine in the lead role,although buffed up hes no Arnie physically,but is a far better actor.His performance is certainly better than Danny Glovers hopeless attempt in Predator 2.A lot of the characters arent really that fleshed out,and you dont care when one or two of them die-but that was true of the first movie as well.There are some nods to the original movie-the mini gun,a scene where all the guns let rip at the same time,a human-vs-Predator blade fight,nets and spiked traps,people falling into water from a great height,that music when a Predator is near,the laser sights.Two brief scenes/lines are straight out of Aliens,as is a spot of music-you know in Aliens when the marines are heading through the tunnels for their first encounter with the xenomorphs?Well it-or a near identical piece-plays during one scene in Predators.The running time is about right as well,and the ending is just spot on.So,all in all,an enjoyable movie,if you forget about the Laurence Fishburne character,and a good companion to the first 2 movies.It certainly made me forget all about the AVP crap.Oh,and by the way-2 scenes in the trailer arent in the movie.
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I think TS3 may be the only legitimately fantastic movie this summer... but I found A-Team to be as good and solid for what it was as this sounds to be. Get Him To The Greek as well. And I hear Karate Kid is decent. I have actually been to the theater so much recently, and will be going for things coming soon, that I probably won't even get to see Inception just for the fact that I am spending to much money at the theater. I don't see this summer as being as terrible as everyone claims. Not the best or anything, but pretty solid? Expendables and Piranha 3D would seal the deal for me
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type movie, is Walter Hill so busy nowadays? He would nail this. AND any Alien prequel/sequel/whatever.
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a huge dissapointment, why can't someone just make a fucking good predator film anymore? i can't believe rodriguez fucked this up as much as he did. if he and Nimrod are such big fans, then how could they make so many mistakes. it just goes to show that just bcos your a fan doesnt mean your gonna make a good movie.
len wiseman was a huge die hard fan, and he made the fourth and worst! those platinum dunes fellas were fans of a nightmare on elm st and look how awful that was.
predators was weak, theres no getting around that. the plot is paper thin and stupid. the characters are soul less and dull. the dialouge, likewise dull. the deaths are bland and unmemorable. lawrence fishburn was laughable and pointless. it copys the original so much that this film forgets to be its own thing. as you watch it all you think abt is how superior the original is. massa says this film is almost 2 hrs of running and action, ridiculous, the first hour alone very little happens except a ton and ton of brody saying what he believes is going on. when the predators do show up its a big let down. they dont seem to have any character anymore making them boring to watch.
i was cringing in my seat when upon seeing the predator for the first time and looking freaked out by them, the female sniper recites to the rest of the group the events of the original film ... like how the hell does she know what happened, and why does she act like she was in the original, like it effects her to see them again, kinda like ripley when she goes back to the colony in Aliens.
we have way too many references to the original film, old painless is back, adrien brody says "what the hell are you" and shouts "ruuuuuumnnnnnn" in his best arnie impression, some of the traps the group accidentally walk into are those same traps the original group made... logs falling from the trees, spikes on the ground etc, theres even a point when one character whispers "over here ... turn around" just like bill duke all over again. this film copies so much yet covers no new ground at all. this film was shit .... grade A. Fuck im pissed off. -
It's really very good indeed, with the exception of Laurence Fishburne, who is completely unnecessary. Yes the score is the same, and when I heard it, I thought FUCK ME A PROPER PREDATOR MOVIE! No offence to the talkbackers, but sometimes you guys talk shit, and anyone slating this film is talking shit. The pacing was great, the effects were great, the new Preds looked great, Brody was convincing in the badass role. If Arnie is the bludgeon, Brody is the scalpel, really great movie, loved it.
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Saw this last night after many months anticipation - loved the pieces on this site - but got very pissed about the early Topher Grace character reveal in the general press.. Coming to the point, it is very rare that I want to walk out of a movie - but did with this one after the 1st 30 mins. Compare it to the original movie ( which lets face it, it is quite easy to do as there are at least 4 secenes that lift from Predator) and there is abolutely no sense of dread, no palpable horror; just a bunch of virtually color coded bad asses getting attacked. Seriouly, ther are some scenes when it looks like the worst of the last parts of Lost - easily recognisable characters remotely strung out in a line trudge across landscape.
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Absolutely hates sci-fi apparently, he said it on the ALIEN extras in the ALIEN quadology. Fox asked hilm to make ALIEN but he wouldn't
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Fuck, thats too bad.
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House Party look like House Party 2!
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Why does everyone say it sucks? I guess I'll find out when I see the film, but it sounds like Fishburn plays the Kurtz character.
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PREDATORS is currently 69 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. So if "the fix" is on, it's on with the majority of critics out there. Not sure why some of you shitstains don't comprehend that everyone's not going to receive every movie in the same way. And guess what, no one opinion negates any other opinion. Joe Fuckstick's take is as valid as Roger Ebert's, no more and no less. So please, give the rhetoric a fucking rest! Overall, Massa liked it, with reservations as he clearly stated. Your opinion may vary, and once again, your fucking opinion is no better than his or anyone else's. I'll be catching this one and hoping it works for me, but if it doesn't I'm not going to come here and throw a tantrum like some 2-year old with a load of shit in his diaper.And by the way, anyone who thinks that DOMINO is the worst of the worst doesn't deserve to have his opinion leave his feeble brain.
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Truth.
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it was like watching Lost. regarding the topher grace thing, the twist was ridiculous and went nowehere, much like fishburnes. if topher grace was in the vien of Burke from Aliens then fine but SPOILER the twist was that you think he's nice but he's not, and later he shows how mean he is by peircing the only lady with some plant venom that paralyses her,for like 5 mins, and then he dies. pointless. beyond pointless. he had no secrets or hidden agendas, he was simply hiding his true nature, but for what purpose? too lame to describe.
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This movie looks bad. And after Massas review, I for one will not waste my money. Also, I cant think of a single RODRIQUEZ film that was not mediocre, bland, and cheap feeling. The only thing I can think of that sets this movie apart is 1. The CGI predogs. 2. A predator with a jawbone around his neck. Other than that...why bother? Oh, and BTW: This is now the OFFICIAL LAST WORD on this movie. Dont bother to thank me.
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The quality of a film is not totally subjective in the way that flavors of ice cream are (I might like chocolate but others might prefer Cherry Garcia). The quality of a film is not pure opinion, but rather an arguable proposition. You take evidence from the film to determine whether or not your position is the most accurate and the reader can make a decision based on who has the best argument. Sure, subjectivity complicates this, but that does not mean it is purely subjective like some people like to pretend.
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That's how you spell Predators. Characters you don't care about, laugh out loud scenes (which weren't meant to be - Fishburn, Yakuza to name 2), often dull, no tension or surprises. Yet I didn't find it awful, just average.
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Jinste writes 24 lines of text, and the only positives mentioend are "the Predators hunting dogs were great,as was seeing two Predators fight each other". And the running time.Then cool_britannia79 says it's good because it has the same score as Predator, and the effects are good.Once again - people saying it's good without really praising anything much. These all smack of the "what a rush coming out of the theater" which fades quickly in a day or so.Don't mean to slag on you guys personally, but really - is there anything that's "good" about this film that isn't just some good thing taken from the original film and Aliens? If not, is a completely redundant good time really a good time?
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so is Attack of the Clones!
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Is there a seen that is cool as the chopper ride from Predator?
By the way, I too like P2, not nearly as good as the original, but fun never the less.
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and the answer is no, i cant think of anything good in this movie that isnt a copy of previous glories aka predator and aliens. this film replicates so much of those movies that you simply wish you were watching them and not the garbage that is predators. unoriginal, boring, lacking in any horror, thrills and likeable characters and dialouge. like you said, people have said that the original music is there, but so what! music cant make a film this bad good.
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It's perfectly acceptable for people with low standards to think that crap is good. Who are we to tell them otherwise? Or apply critiques to their standards and means of evaluating something?
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No one can take an AICN review of a Rodriguez movie seriously. Maybe if Rodriguez didn't have ginger hair on his balls.
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Now, of course, his is just one opinion. But all the same:"Here come some really vicious warthog-looking creatures. They weigh about half a ton apiece, move as fast as lions, and have so many horns and spikes sticking out of them that fornicating must have to be a sometime thing.
"Can you spot the design flaw? Its horns or fangs, whatever they are, extend too far in front of its mouth! Yes, after they kill their prey, how do they eat them? It's as inconvenient as a muzzle on a pitbull. I thought, maybe they lie on their backs and shovel the food in with their feet? But no, how's that gonna work with all the spikes on their backs?
"Never mind. The movie is mostly about our nasty heroes being attacked by terrifying antagonists in incomprehensible muddles of lightning-fast special effects."You see, they're like lions... but with SPIKES! Someone said that at some point in the development in this film, and a lot of other people went along with it. -
You're praising it, but all you're doing is convincing me I'm better off just watching my Predator DVD.
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its a masterpeice. predators is masterpieceofshit.
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"Can you spot the design flaw? Its horns or fangs, whatever they are, extend too far in front of its mouth! Yes, after they kill their prey, how do they eat them? It's as inconvenient as a muzzle on a pitbull. I thought, maybe they lie on their backs and shovel the food in with their feet? But no, how's that gonna work with all the spikes on their backs?..............perhaps how the Predators tamed them to be so obedient? No tracky tracky, no get fed. It's not fucking rocket science.
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I'll give Predators a go but everything I'm reading makes me I should watch the first two films again instead.
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predator is a masterpiece, predator 2 is a good movie, predators is like psycho98, a bargain basement replica of a superior film, a redundant exercise that merely shows us that hollywood has ran out of ideas, so rehashes previous ones.
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It's entertaining in a trashy, b-movie way, but it's not a "good" movie by any means. The voodoo gangs are retarded, Glover is ridiculously over the top, and it's Busey's worst performance (just look at the way he delivers that boneheaded 'lions and tigers and bears' line). That movie was written by five year olds. And no one can seem to explain why this movie is 'good' beyond, "the predator had new weapons!"
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I simple do not believe any of you posing your "reviews" here. The more and more I hear about this movie the better it sounds. Then I read these reviews here in the TB and people simply seem to be reviewing it based off the trailer. Shut the fuck up and go see it. Sci-fi genre needs to be supported. What would you rather have? Airbender or Eclipse dominate the box office?
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In some things, quality vs crap can be directly measured. A Yugo was a shit car in measurable quantifiable ways, just as a Mercedes is a quality vehicle in measurable ways. With art (and I'm throwing "entertainment" in with art for argument's sake) it's clearly not objective. Art critics, and artists themselves, will tell you that art is mostly subjective. You can look at aspects of a film (script, plot, cinematography, score) and say they are good or they are crap. But in reality, what works in one film might look like shit in another. And in the end, what matters is THE WHOLE, not the parts and pieces. Does the film work overall? As the credits run, what do you feel? Were you entertained, or bored, or pissed off by what you just experienced? And that, kevred, is unfortunately very individual and very subjective. And trying to say that there is only one valid response that any particular film should elicit from the audience is just total bullshit.
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Here are the only things they get right: The score is a worthy adaptation of the original Alan Silvestri theme. The throwback song "Having Me some Fun Tonight" plays over the end credits. The Villain Predator is fucking horrifying. That's it. Laurence Fishburne has about 10 minutes of screentime and then goes out Sam Jackson in Deep Blue Sea style. Topher Grace is actually a serial killer who once revealed gets blown to bits by 9 grenades. For a two hour movie you get maybe 17 minutes of Predators actually onscreen. Pretty weak sauce, although Adrien Brody is pretty badass. Oh and for the record, PREDATOR 2 is the DEFINITIVE sequel to the original and it owns your grandfather's balls! King Willy will see you now.
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inners rectum of arnie and glover. seriously, predator 2 is a masterpeice compared to this garbage. a bargain basement replicant of the original, but without any tension or likeable characters. It's lost with a 40 million budget and some predators.
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Ok call me an asshole but I'm not sure how you can have "nonstop tension" with "few real character arcs" and "no real meat to the story."
What are we supposed to be so tense about...unquestionable badass #6 about to get teabagged by a predator's carbon-fiber nutsack? I wouldn't call that tension, more like giddy anticipation. Based on this review (and I usually fall in line with this crackerjack, so I'm not trying to bust balls), it sounds like the characters themselves are more of a canvas for Predators to splooge on, not people we are going to be invested in. So I'm not sure how this "tension" works. Please explain...or call me a dick if I'm way off base. -
what made Aliens so great was it upped the ante from Alien.
You had more aliens, the queen, etc.
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If it had a great story & director.
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You're excatly right, and that's something too often forgotten in these talkbacks. But that's not quite the point I'm trying to make. I admit I'm being pretty harsh, but what galls me so much about this flick is how much it's simply a ripoff of the original.I mean, step back and look at it - in almost all meaningful ways, it's simply the first film done over again, stuffed full of the same bits that were cool in the first one, and other bits taken from other iconic genre films.That's what bothers me - that this is seemingly being considered on its own merits when, in fact, its merits are 24 years old and from another film. It's stealing quality, not creating it.That, to me, is a separate issue than subjective quality, which you're right is an open question that's tough to be absolute about. I can think both the Seventh Seal and Predator 2 are "great" because they're crazy, going-for-it, original works. One is elegant and sublime, the other is trashy and B-level - but their creative integrity is intact. Predators, on the other hand, cheats the game by co-opting its "quality".If you buy a term paper online and get an A, your work is open to criticism in a different way than is anyone who wrote their own paper from scratch. The D-grade original paper is more worthy of respect than the stolen one.
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Jul 09, 2010 2:03:40 PM CDT
Uping the Action in Aliens from Alien did make it a better movie
by crazybubba
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Jul 09, 2010 2:13:03 PM CDT
WHY DON'T PREDATORS HIDE IN WOMEN'S CHANGING ROOMS?
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
That was the only flaw in Predator 2. If I was an invisible Predator I'd be in there when I wasn't hunting silly humans.
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The concept is solid, but the way the two films were handled was ill conceived.It's simple really, an AvP movie is really Aliens vs. Predators vs. Colonial Marines. At this rate, we've got Ridley Scott going back to do a more horror oriented Alien film, so why not do something more action based as an off-shoot series by doing a proper AvP reboot? I for one want to see the Colonial Marines on film again. An AvP set in the future as opposed to the present day would allow that kind of thing.
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they're bio-engineered that they can't feed themselves; they Predators have to feed them. Otherwise, they're so vicious no one could get near them. And then the new Predators keep them half-starved, and half-crazy. Pit bull breeders do this and it's illegal.
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That would be a damn bloody movie.
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The first film actually has a clever setting and story that could have worked, but the characters are awful (both humans and predators) and Paul Anderson couldn't direct children to an exit if a school was on fire.
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As in it depends on who is actually giving us "more".It's like making great music after making millions of dollars. The original muse (hunger for success, musical purpose, or just food) leaves and then it's just up to you to find a new one or release dogshit and pretend it's great. How many "great" bands only have a couple early albums that are truly brilliant and then, later on, rather bland?I haven't seen this movie yet but with only one exception, everything I've seen from Rodriguez has been shit and my guess is he's not much better when producing. Antal I know nothing; haven't seen "Armor" (correct title, yet?) so I cannot say.But I do feel that 'more is better' is only true if there is a steady and highly talented hand behind the pen and camera.Doesn't the 'Final Destination' prove utterly that "More is better" is complete bullshit? Shrek, maybe? Unless we put in the caveat of who is giving us this "more", yes?Cameron is a very talented writer/director and "more" from him is the genius of Aliens.John Favreau is a talented actor/director and he didn't do nearly as good with "more" in IM2 but it wasn't a failure. Michael Bay has given us "more" with every new movie he makes and we all know how that works out.As to Predators, it's certainly possible that this "more" truly is good but knowing that Rodriguez's "more" is likely a clusterfuck abomination of either over the top silliness or, worse, cgi-gasming confetti crap and idiocy spewed onscreen, the only exception being 'Sin City' (which isn't as awesome as everybody makes out but is definitely a great movie)...and not knowing Nirom Antal's work...well, lets say I wouldn't be surprised if "more" here isn't really "more" but then I'd also be delighted if it was "more" so I'll hold off pre-judging and check it out at some point...
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I really liked the opening 20 minutes or so of the first AvP. The opening shot of the alien queen head that is really a satellite, the build up going to the site in the antarctic, and the creepy old abandoned frozen whaling village all had a nice suspenseful vibe to it. Then the aliens and predators show up and the film just gets silly and all suspense goes out the window.
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Oh wait, it's only been about 20 years.
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Jul 09, 2010 2:31:41 PM CDT
Sorry, can't trust AICN reviews re: anything Rodriguez is involv
by mediagold
Anyone wanna take 20 to 1 odds that Harry is going to praise Predators and will state how it caused him to somehow orgasm? I would not take that bet.
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After the original Predator, it's sequel, and let's not forget that Predator 2 is a damn fine sequel, actually tried to offer something completely different to the franchise: predators in an urban setting. At the time it was a great movie - it had an internal logic that worked. Of course, there would be no Arnie chasing it, the only likely guys to be tracking it down would be out-of-condition cops. I love Predator 2 - I think the two films bookend each other perfectly. I will probably see this film when it comes on the tellybox - 'cos I ain't paying to see this turkey.
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Ha ha! Yeah, I'm sure that's what Rodriguez was thinking when he came up with that design. "Uh, we need these ridiculous spikes on there so the Predators will be able to control them through feeding." RIGHT!
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http://tinyurl.com/26fc96a
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well said, and totally agree, but i did pay to see the turkey, and what a feast of shit it was.
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this movie have to be based on an alien planet! what did the movie gain from that? How did tosser graces' character now how this planets eco system worked? How did they ever get fourty million + to make such shit! I'd rather watch an episode of soap.
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someone on TBs had an idea, long ago, that the next Predator movie should take place in Afghanistan. Lots of badass soldiers. Lots of badass hardware. A cool environment, different from the Jungle. Local folk and soldiers to tell tales/found dead. And the predator could have gone there to "hunt", undetected, in the middle of a war. Awesome idea. They should have made that. Or a period film with some explorers in the 1800s finding a village in Africa that worships the predators and sacrifices their greatest warriors on their visits. Then the explorer has to fight the Predator, and in the end is captured to be take to the homeworld. Or kills a predator and receives a gift, much like the ending of Batman vs Predator. Or fuck, just remake Batman vs Predator but with a cop instead Batman. So many great options and they went with what seems to be a no-brainer story.
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Spot on. And someone up top had a good idea about rebooting the AVP in a future time period. I agree that present day people against Predators or Aliens is no longer interesting.
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to the present day problem is, of course, Batman: Dead End.
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Jul 09, 2010 3:00:15 PM CDT
as many reasons i can think of why predators is camel shit!!!
by jackgraham
1). Adrien Brody is miscast in a role that does not play to his strengths .... 2) Danny Trejo dies first ....3)The spiky dog creatures reminded me of how I felt watching The Lost World ..... 4)Adrien Brody seems to know a hell of a lot for a guy who has never seen or heard of an alien predator before ...... 5) lawrence fishburnes cameo is ridiculous, terribly written and embarrasingly acted.......6) lawrence fishburnes head looks like its gonna explode ..... 7) none of the human characters are given any characterisation, therfor we don't care if they die, which equals no suspense throughout .......8) the sword fight between yakuzza and predator lasted abt 60 seconds and was poorly shot and choreographed ......9) there are way way too many nods to the original film ....... 10) alot of the action is badly shot and edited ..........11) the predators have no charcter, no real distinction beyond their damn helmets .......12) the ending is abrupt and uninspired ......13) the big topher grace suprise twist is lame and pointless and goes nowwhere ........13)the ending suggests we can expect more of the same, which is bad! .......14) the humans are told that piling mud on themselves could save their lives, but no one puts mud on, til the very end when brody appears with a mud pack on his face ..... 15) the acting isnt great .......16) it isnt scary, exciting or tense.
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Wasn't there something similiar in one of the Dark Horse stories where every few years a "demon" appears and for the village not to be destroyed, it must send it s best warrior out to fight it?
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but because of his looks, race and background will always be stuck as a bad guy who gets bumped off. Loved him in Desperado and Sherrybaby. He has sex with Maggie Gyllenhaal in a scene thats realistic and honest. Sherrybaby is a good indie movie with great performances. Worth watching.
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I've been saying it for ages. I've got an image stuck in my head of a Predator decloaking from sand.
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I saw Predators yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. It is a very worthy addition to the franchise in my humble opinion.
Brody is great, Goggins steals every scene he's in (as he does in The Shield and Justified!), we get a Predator V Super-Predator fight, the first movie is referenced and there's obviously going to be a sequel.
And as for the criticism of Laurence Fishburn's character? I'm sorry but I disagree. The guy's been stranded on a strange world and survived for "six or seven seasons" after being hunted by vicious Predators and Super-Predators. I think I'd be batshit-insane after that too. -
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I totally respect that argument regarding PREDATORS. And if I find that most everything that works for me with this sequel is what they "borrowed" from the original, I'll be just as unhappy as you are with the results. Because without something original, or at least "different", added to the mix, what exactly was the point of this sequel?BTW, I enjoyed this exchange with you, dude!
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Likewise, man. I'm kind of looking forward to getting off my soapbox about this, anyway! :)
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Surprisingly, shockingly, good. It's both sequel & remake. No memorable characters or quotes perhaps but a good way to spend 100 minutes. At least it's not AvP :)
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I hope he keeps getting work. he burned up the screen in The Shield - the way things unraveled for his character, and the heartbreaking way he handled the very end, was really something.
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Massawyrm has a good track record, and I'm sold on going to see this. I want to see a movie with a bunch of dudes, especially Walton Goggins, being badasses and then getting fucked up by Predators. All right!
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Just the way that character emerged from being a background character to someone who you cared about and relate to especially when as Kevred mentioned his life unraveled. Solid actor and with his work should continue to find employemnt.
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Saw Predators at a midnight screening last night. Thought it started promising -- followed by a ton of boring walking around, bad directing and terrible music. It seemed like the shoddy, low rent version of Predator that Charles Band or Roger Corman might've made over a weekend to try and grab a few bucks from a know franchise. I really wanted it to be good but it wasn't. Definitely better than the AVP crap, but still a failure. I just thank the cheese gods that it wasn't in 3D.
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John McClane vs Predators in hot NYC summertime. Arnies character comes looking for his ex-army buddy McClane to give him a predator helment for safekeeping. Predators are on Arnies tail, so Arnies cameo is quick as he leaves to keep them from knowing McClane has the helmet. Course the predators find McClane quickly and the hunt is on. Yippikiyay motherfuckers!!!
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Agree about Shane in The Shield, except for the "background character" bit; he was certainly never that, since he was standing right there with Vic when he committed the "original sin" of the series in the pilot.
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Jul 09, 2010 4:16:23 PM CDT
I just want to know if it has the theme music
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
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Saw it last night, Brody is miscast. SPOILERS! And why did nobody wonder why the 'doctor' was there...I mean, they all worked out the fact that the planet was a game reserve pretty quickly, and that they were all dangerous predators being hunted to serve aloien evolution. So none of them wondered why a doctor was there? Did I miss something? Brody must have wept when he read his dialogue. There was cock-all characterisation...is it so much to ask, Mr Rodriguez? A little development in character? This is DVD fayre, at best.
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that it seemed to me that he was going to be one who was with Vic for life. And when he started to worry about his future (Professional and family) that he really seemed to come out as a character. Should have explained it like that the first time. Sorry.
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was that it was pure 80's action cheese. Which happened to be contained within a great cast. This is the same reason we'll never see a true sequel. I'd consider this a spinoff more than a sequel. Doesn't mean it can't be entertaining though.
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Jul 09, 2010 4:31:06 PM CDT
the plot holes and flaws of predators aka masterpieceofshit
by jackgraham
1) the humans have been dumped onto this alien planet bcos the predators chose them instead of your usual happy family because they are all dangerous and have killed and carry weapons. so why the fuck wasnt george w bush in this film. how does a predator seriously pick out who's gonna get dumped onto this planet and how does the predator kidnap them, and how convenient that we never find out or see this happen ......2)the female sniper tells all the remaining humans about the events of the original 1987 movie, that covering himself in mud saved arnies life cos it rendered him invisible to the predator, therfor you would assume that they would cover themselves in mud and hopefully save their lives. they don't....... 3) why/how does this woman know about the events of the original movie, she's like 30 years old so in 1987 she would have been erm 7 years old. why/how does some young chick know about those events and why does she seem so scarred by it. is she arnies daughter or what? we never know cos we're never told. she just knows that shit and we just have to accept it.
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Once we've all seen the movie and post our thoughts. Gotta a feeling this going to be our milleniums version of Predator 2.
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Did you or did you not like Predators? I can't figure it out. jk. I'm going to go see it tonight at the 1930 showing, it's $5, fuck it. I don't have my hopes set high or anything, especially after seeing AVP and AVP2. Shit, even after seeing Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, which were both crap. I do have a serious question though, what's up with Fishburn? What's his character supposed to be?
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Unquestionable badasses?!?!?! They were a bunch of freaking flyweights. Headlined by the biggest flyweight of them all, Adrian Brody. Even when he did go topless to show he did do some time in the gym, he still didn't have any juevos to him. I applaud that they avoided most major pitfalls, but the casting of people who wouldn't be badasses in a YMCA, much less an Alien Jungle(with the exception of Danny Trejo) was just sad. If this is the best we got to send up against them, uh.. they might as well just invade.
The other major problem is that by dropping them on this alien world they remove any possibility of a heroic ending. No matter how much shit Brody overcomes to win out, he's still stuck on a gd alien planet. Sorry if that doesn't make me jump up and applaud at the end.
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There's a female sniper who knows all about the events in the first movie? Weird. Maybe the timeline is different than ours? For us it's been what, 23 years? Maybe in the movies only 5 years or 10 years has passed since the events in the first film? Just a guess. So they're not on Earth I take it, how do the Predators kidnap them then? Weird that they don't show this..
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I am truly sad to hear this. I will still see the movie though. I like that it's full of action, and the characters seem cool enough. But I feel that a movie like this needs to take just a little from the SAW films.
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It committed one of the worst hack moves in sequels, which is to take a man-vs-monster situation and add a little man-vs-man. It worked in Aliens. It usually makes everything else SUCK. In this movie it happens not once but twice.
I found this movie to be a bit of a mess, for being so straightforward.
I also found the picture as a whole rather dim and blurry. Wondering if that's down to the projection at my local cinema, which tends to screw up about half the movies I go see with some kind of technical shortfall.
Some of the shit that happened was just silly. A lot of the time I could not tell what the fuck was happening on screen. The first time the prey group encounters a pred artifact... I could not even tell what was on screen... the characters say "whoever they are, they take trophies", so I assume there was some kind of remains being displayed. I was staring right at the screen and I'm a pretty observant guy, and I couldn't see shit. A lot of the movie is like that.
Lawrence Fishburne's bit starts good and then turns idiotic. At least he has a good death scene.
Overall I'm prety disappointed. I don't think this one's going to grow on me the way Predator 2 did. It wasn't bad, but it's nothing special. Overall I wish I'd stayed home and done some work this afternoon, and caught the movie on blu-ray sometime later. -
thats funny. your "did i or didnt i like it" thing made me smirk. fishburnes character is a guy who's managed to survive a long time in the jungle planet, he takes the humans under his wing and acts weird and loopy, like tim robbins in war of the worlds, but worse. and fishburns head is so round it looks like its gonna explode. as for the timelines, its anybodys guess when this shit is set in comparison to the original. i still dont get how this chick would know the events of the original. it would make more sense if it was an older commando dude who knew the events, a bit more plausible.
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Aliens was pretty good, but that was in the 80s.
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.... is the first 3 minutes, adrien brody free falling, chute opens within 100 meteres of the ground and bang he lands with the huge predator logo appearing to the sounds of the thumping score ........... and then the actors open their mouths and the shit storm begins.
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Our local theater fucked up the sound about 50% of the time until recently, when they switched to all digital.
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Just got back from seeing it. It was incredible. Money's worth of action. No complaints.
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I'm a little shocked to see all the Predator 2 love on here. I own that DVD, and I've watched it once (saw it a few times when it first came out, in theaters and then cable showings etc). It's basically a couple of cool scenes amidst a bunch of crap. They broke what I consider a cardinal rule of film making: Do not set a movie in the near future unless you want it to be ridiculed when all your predictions turn out false. There were some seriously cheesy props going on in that movie (the lame guns for example) that resulted in the film aging poorly.
Now... AVP and AVP: Requiem were absolute shitfests, as if Paul W.S. Anderson and the Strause brothers took the phrase "cinematic abortion" a little too seriously.
Predators, on the other hand... it's main flaw is that you never really feel like you're on an alien planet. It's basically just earth with only one or two scenes done to dress it up as anything else. Plants are clearly earth-based and even referenced and identified as such.
But so what? Willing suspension of disbelief being what it is, I'm all for pretending the Predators set up a game preserve with some fauna adopted from Mother Earth. Dropping off a few alien creatures to keep the humans on their toes works for me, and the hunting techniques were pretty well planned.
Brody worked well as did most of the characters. The only weak spot in the case was, sadly, Fishbourne, who could have really tore it up but instead seemed bored at best. Trejo was a bit under-utilized but really, he's in because it's produced by Rodriguez and was no doubt busy with Machete.
Go into this movie looking for a throwback action flick with minimal CGI, decent gore, decent acting, and you'll most likely be satisfied. It is the sequel Predator deserves. It's not Aliens to Alien level, but it's solid. 7.5/10, will grab it on DVD when it comes out. -
Stop being such a trolling dickheel and learn a thing or two about Press Screenings before sounding off about them. Press rows are reserved seating for late arriving press. They are not required seating and are opened up for everyone else before show. You know why you saw me sitting up front behind the bar? Because I have a bad leg from a childhood illness and I show up early so I don't kick the back of someone's seat for two hours as I try to keep my leg from cramping.
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one calls it "incredible" dude, seriously, did you watch it with your eyes open? the other fella says brody worked well as did the other characters. dude, seriously, did you watch it with your eyes open? i'm just curious!!!
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Seriously, some of your complaints are just... lame. How does the IDF chick know about it? Because she's in the fucking IDF??? You think something like alien contact wouldn't make its way down the ranks? Even if it was labeled classified. And this chick is supposed to have some history, maybe did some time in the Mossad, who knows. It's not hard to believe she might have heard about what happened to Dutch's team. There are no real secrets in the intelligence community. For reference, see the spy swap the good ol' USA just pulled - they knew about some of those plants for years.
And you can't figure out how the Predators abducted them, what with their fucking cloaking technology? Wow. I guess you're still completely puzzled by the Caramilk secret as well...
I do agree with Fishbourne's character being just as bad as Tim Robbins (if not worse) in War of the Worlds however, but luckily he's only in the movie briefly. He's also the biggest plot hole, in the end - how does a guy who survives for years amongst the Predators give away his position almost immediately and take no precautions/have no escape route? Luckily he's barely in the movie. -
That was the most boring "surprise freefall" sequence ever. I really think the prologue should have been Brody in a firefight on Earth. Make it intense, violent, them just a glimpse of a predator, a flash of white as he's knocked out, and cut to him free-falling... fade out and start the credits... resume his free-fall when the credits are over.
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which is a stellar sequel, is garbage. I know Rodriquez has stroke on this site, but I didn't think the reviews would be this blatantly biased.
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Jul 09, 2010 5:44:42 PM CDT
glad to see on Rotten Tomatoes that its rating is slowly sinking
by jackgraham
i cant help but feel that for the people that really like this movie you're either really really fuckin stupid or you just have no taste, no sense of quality. i guess the words im searching for are "retarded dumb anything will do morons who think die hard 4 was fantastic" predators is as much of a let down as die hard 4, but if you liked die hard 4 you might like predators, but you will still be a ... erm what was it ... a "retarded dumb anything will do morons who think die hard 4 was fantastic" i'm sorry, im just so pissed that this movie sucked. please dont take my comments personally you ragged bunch of stinking cow theives, you sorry as lame ass living at home with mommy losers. fuck you. please dont take any of this personally but if you liked predators then fuck yourself til you draw blood outta yir arse. ill be calm in the morning. goodnight.
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which tells me I will love Predators, since I hated Predator 2.
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denying that PREDATORS is anything but a huge pile of boring and poorly made heap is kinda like denying the holocaust.fucked up that is...
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Why does the predator suddenly go stupid in the end and let Glover shank him? The predator from the first movie would've killed the fuck out of Glover.
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i meant to say heap of shit....
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Man, you sound just like my whiny ex-girlfriend. She was queen bitch when it came to complaining about shit.
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No, I did NOT like those films.
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i dont buy it. she would have been like 7 years old when the events of predator occurred if we assume that the timelines are not different. i believe that they would cover up the events of the original as much as possible and not brandy it about for all and sundry to hear. they call it classified. but here's my theory. rodriguez wanted to address the original film cos he's a fan, so he simply gets one of the humans to recite the events of the original to make us audience members go all nostalgic etc. rodriguez wants us to know that this is the sequel to the original and this is how he does it. this and basically copying everything else the original had to offer, but copying it in such a way that makes it look like a really bad immitator.
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i am your ex girlfriend, and you still have my fucking sex and the city dvd you douche. oh and by the way, you have a small penis. bitch.
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he had Harrigan licked. That's why he raised his weapon for the death blow. It's like a hunter has his prey lying at his feet and wounded,except Predator underestimated Harrigan. And I'm sure after the fight Harrigan put up, the sight of him on the ground and seemingly beaten made Pred anxious and over-confident.
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Since there's some people complaining about the positive reviews not being all positive - 10 strong points I found in the film:
1) Brody pulls off his role in convincing fashion.
2) There's no legit "good guy" other than the chick and even she has her issues. People are left the fuck behind to prevent them from slowing down the rest.
3) The new Predators, while looking bulky in stills I saw before the movie, looked spectacular on-screen.
4) The Samurai sword vs. Predator battle with the Yakuza dude makes up for not seeing Billy battle the Pred in the original movie. In fact, the Yakuza dude was cool as fuck period. Taking off his shoes in the mud = classic.
5) Treating the Predators as actual hunters - using dogs to flush out the prey, setting traps, etc.
6) Not over-doing it with the Predators. Yes, they didn't have a ton of screen time, nor should they. When you do that, you get a shit-fest like AVP.
7) Nods to the original flick
8) We've seen it before, but ripping a skull clean out by the spinal column
9) The Russian dude actually spoke proper Russian, and came off as a likable guy. Cold, tough Russian but likable and you can understand him taking the Topher Grace character under his wing. Also has a cool final scene (for the character). I think earlier I said the chick was the only "hero" but actually, this dude came off as one.
10) Someone actually recognized a Predator trap for what it was. Brody's character showed some actual common sense. Something the bothered me in the original was that this crack team of commandos was so easily led... like Mac/Dillion going down in brutally stupid fashion (as cool as that scene is) -
I thought you were going to bed.
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I agree with you that it's a thin excuse for her knowing about it. They could have added a line or two explaining, perhaps, that her father who was privy to it and told her. Something a bit more personal. Speaking of immitators, the following may be better than the movie. It has the advantage of being shorter and free...http://tinyurl.com/26fc96a
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years they're not the only ones. Just look at the news: Israel has infiltrated the CIA/FBI for decades. 12 urban russians just got busted. Remember the ending of Raiders with that big warehouse of oddities? Plus if you read Predator Urban Jungle (the miniseries that came out after predator). The general in the movie said the govt knew about the predators for decades (I forget exactly, doing this on the fly). Don't you think the predaotrs might have seen action in SE asia in WW2 and Nam. Prime killing fields there. By the way whenever theres a new report of training accidents in SA or Ft Benning GA, think predator (Just kidding). But seriously now had a in-law of mine who was in the rangers doing stuff during the Reagan years in Central America. If someone died down there, family was not to talk about it and officially died in training excercise. Might think this is BS but thats up to you.
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He was believeable as an ex-special forces mercenary. Those guys tend to be skinny as they're not couch potatoes nor gym bunnies... and I liked the voice he used.
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(JackGraham, I'm looking right at you.) The guy who reviewed it for the NY Post said that the Predator from the original is in this one. Is he mistaken? Correct? Joking? Racist? I'm curious.
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The system (or me) added a space. Here's the link:
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I know it's a samurai sword but the battle in the blowing grass was very Ninja Gaiden. That part made me smile.
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Didn't the Predictor from the original one die?
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I think a lot of people might confuse the tied-and-bound "small predator" to be the pred from the first movie. They look similar, and this movie has a second breed of bigger nastier predator which is supposedly having some kind of race war with the preds we've known thus far (I think... that was one of the things that's muddy...)
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you've never had a girlfriend
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Wow. Worst sequel since HIGHLANDER 2: THE QUICKENING.
Buy the very first PREDATOR story from Dark Horse Comics - the one with Schafer (Dutch's brother) and Rasche - and see how it SHOULD have been done. P2 was 80% the plot of that comic anyway, minus the kick-ass action, the fantastic ending and all the decent dialogue. It's as though Stephen Hopkins read the comic, said "Wow, I can make this WAY shittier," then went out and proved it to us. HOW did they fuck that up??
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The Predator dogs scene that kicks off the action on the preserve planet felt so much like a video game that I had to look around and double-check that I wasn't at home playing Resident Evil 5.
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was the fact that they turned the creature into Superman. He gets shot and bleeds and has to take some time out for some first aid in the original film but in the second one we have a predator do a pencil dive right through the roof of a moving subway train and then run through a dozen or more people shooting handguns at him at point blank range while they ricochet and bounce off his skin in a flurry of sparks. Also, if I remember correctly, there is a scene where he takes off his helmet and still retains his digital thermal vision.
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in the old west- cowboys vs predators and some indian/mexican mythos would be awesome....and since we know predators have been doing this for centuries (at least) we have all of time to tell stories.
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Movie was released when US was running covert military ops in central america against drug lords and contras. In the middle of this is a movie about a black ops team in CA on a mission that is disrupted when they discover they have become prey for something that is slowly picking them off, one-by-one. So of course Predator captured our imagination because it was ripped from the headlines.
Afghanistan would have the same effect as many have correctly mentioned. But thats not going to happen for many reasons (PC, money, security, etc). My choices are the mexican border where theres illegal alien smuggling. Group of border guards find a bunch of dead smugglers among the illegals and take it from there. On an abandoned oil rig, drug lords have set a drug making factory and squad of seals are to take out. Yeah basically its a rehash of the original but my point was that by keeping the predator concept based on todays news it just makes the concept more possible. -
and I'm not sure Pred was aware that Harrigan still had the disc weapon. There was mist all over the ground, obscuring most of Harrigan's body, including his hands. Even if Pred knew Harrigan still had the weapon, it makes sense that he would try for a death blow in such an arrogant manner, for this predator was young and arrogant.
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our dreams of great storytelling better than a movie Zombot. Theres no budget, story only limited by skill of writer/artist. The ideas of different era predators is never going to get old because we have all of history to play with. Cowboys/indians, WWI trench warfare, heck a voodoo tail from New Orleans would be fun. Thats why I loved the DH comics because they played with concepts.
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And a lot of us (Myself included) haven't seen it yet. As I posted before, next week is going to be even crazier once we've seen it.
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nearly all of the confrontations are at night and that shit sucks. They spend 10 grand making a badass suit but you can't see shit! I also think it woulda been way cooler to have Danny Glover in Fishburne's place. It would make sense that he would be abducted since he killed a predator in the overly trashed Predator 2.
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Turd.
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Was pointless in Predators. What a complete waste of a character and story potential. *SPOILER AHEAD* When he first arrived I thought "cool! Badass soldier surviving alone using Predator Tech". They could have made him a real hardcore killer that leads the team and teaches them to fight the Preds or gone in the opposite direction and had him "become the Predator" and hunt the humans as well. But no. They just made him a crazy idiot who tries to kill the team with CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING WHILE THEY ARE SLEEPING! Are you fucking kidding me? That was the best they could come up with for that character? And then he's killed two minutes later. Why did Fishburne agree to do this pointless shitty role? Did he lose a bet? And the ending with Adrian Brody shirtless and mud smeared was comical. Sure he worked out for the film, we get it, he had a personal trainer and six weeks of 'roid work to give him abs. Great. People were laughing in the theater at this. Strong first act, retarded tame waste of a second act and a decent finish thanks to a samurai sword fight and Topher Grace's character. Who i pegged as a serial killer the moment he talked about the neuro toxin(why else would he be picked if he wasn't a killer of some sort). Anyways better than AVP.
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My biggest complaint is the fact that each predator death seemed so anti-climatic. They spend so much time talking about how they are faster, stronger, have been evolving their technique for decades and then they become so easy to kill and fall for the oldest tricks in the book.
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The original is a classic in nearly every way, has aged amazingly well. Predator 2? One of the worst sequels ever.
I'd highly recommend listening to a pretty fun podcast called Now Playing, lots of fun. Their Predator 2 review is spot on, and they all but destroy it.
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the way this summer has turned out I think. And I'm sure we can think of other directors who are in need of serious help.
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Jul 09, 2010 6:54:55 PM CDT
Which is cooler: not showing Billy's death, or showing the Yakuz
by kevred
Showing everything seems to always be the geek preference. But I think the non-showing of Billy's encounter with the Predator in the original flick was pretty brilliant.They start the film right off by knocking off the biggest, toughest, most heavily-armed member of the team, which was also brilliant (even though I wanted to see more of the character, so it pissed me off at the time).Then they spend the whole middle of the film building up Billy as the smart, tough, no-nonsense warrior who's more aware and capable than just about anyone else on the team - an instinctive natural hunter. Almost a Wolverine character.Then he squares himself up for battle, and it's - whoops, over in a flash. That's the "oh crap" moment that builds momentum for the finale. The moment where you know Arnold's in deep trouble, and is going to have to do something exceptional.The geek part of me would have loved to see Billy fight it out. But the greater cause of drama was served by having him so quickly and soundly out-classed.I wonder if the samurai-sword bit here isn't the "here's the scene you were denied in the original" moment. And is that really a good thing?
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I mean great one liners aside, Predator one doesn't hold up. http://tinyurl.com/2aukxjb
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because everyone visualized it differently. Just his scream was enough to cause Arnie and the survivors even more frightened. Because to me Billy was the best hand combatant they had and if he couldn't stop him, oh shit. Someone mentioned that the actor who played him might make a good wolverine, I say he'd make a better thunderbird character from the x-men. After he died. it was discovered he had a nephew (?) that had the same abilities/build as he. For an adventure was given adamantium or vibranium knives that looked like the one Billy had. Looked cool, check it out on the web. Should have some pictures somewhere.
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then based on the AVP movies that take place here on earth, they should know about aliens. And if the govt knows about the aliens, then corporate america knows about them. After seeing what corporations try to do with aliens and always end up losing control of them or the situation....uh oh
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Lone predator crashlands in prehistoric earth. Wounded and with only his javelin, claws and discus he must survive an alien world just as dangerous as he. Picking up his blood trail are a pack of raptors eager to taste the flesh of a new type of prey. The hunt is on.
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But can't outsmart Adrien Brody.
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Academy award trumps spaceship. Simple as rock/paper/scissors.
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i mean, the ending with the alien skull trophy rack and the spanish black powder gun can't be denied- they were GREAT...but one thing that always bugged me: the Predator CRASHES through the wall of the old woman's apartment...doesn't get her attention. watch it again- that crash is loud and epic. It's not until the Predator screams that she goes investigating with her broom. It also bugged me that among the predator's 'first aid kit' was some typical doctors equipment (among them a sternum cracker, i believe) and i swear to god, a wine bottle opener.
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It was a fuck of a lot better than Predator 2. I liked the characters and buildup. Fishburne's cameo was outstanding. I prefer actually seeing the Hanzo/Predator fight, as opposed to the Billy scream (which to me always felt lazy, as if the director didn't want to film it). I think the original had a more satisfying final confrontation though. I do like that the chick saved Brody's ass in the end, which plays against his whole "going it alone" theme. All in all, it was a good Predator movie, and that's the first time I can say that since the original.
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it uses the original score, the predators are guys in suits and it doesn't have a lot of shaky cam nonsense, it gets a thumbs up from me
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that no one ever saws "ugly mother fucker"?
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the scene in the trailer when all the lasers hit Brody's chest is absent.
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... Can be applied to Predator 1 and 2 as well. So fuck all of you.
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THe assassinated pres from 24, leader of the unit tv show is the perfect successor to Arnie. He played the leader of a spec ops unit believeibly. Who would be on his team? Lots of choices but for sure I'd want Jean Reno from the professional movie. Ever see that movie? That guy was a one man death squad. Another movie to own.
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As Penn and Tellers show on showtime says: Thats bullshit!
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this?
http://tinyurl.com/26fc96a
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more interested in the bling toys while Pred 1 was a grizzled guy toughing it in the jungle.
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I saw someone above complain that there was too much "walking." The first movie was ALL walking!
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Remember his portrayal of Doc Holliday in Tombstone? I know, play on words but he would have been perfect. If he loses about 20-30 lbs and gets in shape I wouldn't mind seeing him in a predator movie.
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Debney did a great job of taking another composer's themes and applying them to each scene in various subtle ways. His remix of the Predator theme over the end credits was a perfect update.
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http://tinyurl.com/ach625
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for Real genius and Top Secret? Top secret was an uneven movie but I love the scene on the train wheres he's listening to a german language record and his manager asks him to say something in german. He does, perfectly. Manager asks what he just said. Val tells him: Is your daughter 18? classic.
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Having read way to many comics, I'm at a lost why AvP movies were so lazy. The comics, err, graphic novels, I have are still enjoyable. To me the movies were like like some bad Star Trek episodes, just filler, watchable one time but that's it.
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so i dont know who i should trust? the objective critic or the one who gets bribed by hollywood???
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The IMDB listing bills one of the Predators as "Classic Predator" and yes, there is one that looks like the original Predator, but it is not the same one, obviously. Same tribe perhaps, since they mention the two tribes/bands (larger and smaller).
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You're probably half right - it was done for story purposes - but I can still buy it. Her age really doesn't matter, if she worked in the right place she might be privy to old inel. And really, this is a movie with alien hunters and their monster hunting dogs - believing THAT is the least of my concerns ;)
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Stellar fucking post. I did point out in one of my posts that the Samurai scene makes up for not seeing Billy get it - but in a way you're also right. Not showing that might have been the way to go, but at the same time, you just fucking had to show the Samurai scene. You can't pull a Simpsons on that one, not when you set up the sword earlier.
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So I'm not sure why you of all people would trust anything he says ;)
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Yes, it was good. Very good - and personally I think it holds up incredibly well, mainly because of the practical effects - gore will always be gore, blood is just blood after all. They kept the CGI to a minimum so the cloaked Preds, even in the original, look ok, and the infrared looks fine too. In fact I think the original Predator holds up extremely well. Watched it with a (younger by a decade) friend last night before seeing Predators today. She didn't really think it was dated. And loved the ending with Arnie, and thought Predators was ok.
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Now that Bosh has signed elsewhere I don't think the Raptors would be much trouble for the Predators...
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He hates 3D, and probably hates popcorn too.
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In the comics.
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Ugh. I wanted so badly to have nothing but good things to say about PREDATORS, but once again we have been served a steaming pile of disappointment. Watching this franchise die an agonizing death like this is sad.
This young group of filmmakers may think they were honoring the legacy of the original movie by blantantly reusing characters, shots - frame by fame, and lines - word for word, from the 1987 film. Instead, they've succeeded in making a complete mockery of it, a parody. I fear this may finally be the last time we see the Predators on the big screen once and for all. -
and being hunted by one the most savage pack of hunters in earths history to me is an interesting idea.
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had to be shown because in all the trailers the sword was shown. That sword was the thing he is/will be remembered for "swordguy".
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Popcorn is good though.
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check out his blog, he got alot of hits just by trashing the legitimacy of art in video games.
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Was pretty decent in this film. I was pleasantly surprised. Actually ended up rooting for him in the end, even when --spoiler-- he supposedly went onto the spaceship by himself--. It'd be interesting if they did another.
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Was pretty decent in this film. I was pleasantly surprised. Actually ended up rooting for him in the end, even when --spoiler-- he supposedly went onto the spaceship by himself--. It'd be interesting if they did another.
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But his political rants and ranting about stuff he doesn't care about obviously doesn't like aggravate me.
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That's one seriously odd website! I thought about commenting for a moment, but it isn't worth giving them my email just to piss off the site owners by telling them I'm having a wank.
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Jul 09, 2010 11:39:35 PM CDT
dark shite----- i found that site through this hilarious video
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http://tinyurl.com/2a2cyq7
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when he writes his reviews, i feel like he gets me but im no homo alright. he has an irrational hatred towards video games though, when he tries to explain his stance he ends up asking no sense which i find odd coming from someone whose job is to make sense of movies. but i never read any of his political stuff, what is he republican?
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I cracked up when she got into the "cum on her face" bit.
The scary things is, she reminds me of my old headmistress. I could just imagine her standing in front of a bunch of 7 year olds saying "Students at this school should not cum on my face". .
Her name's Cindy Gallop too! Stick an S on the end & it's the perfect Porn Star name.
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The first half of the movie I could really feel the energy in the audience, people were laughing and clapping at all the right parts. Shortly after the unfortunate morpheus cameo, I could just feel the energy diminishing, and during the final fight, aka a complete rehash of the original's finale, i was shocked to find myself losing interest. With that said, the action scenes were cool, particularly the samurai showdown, but the kills, in terms of the amount of gore, left me wanting more. With Rodriguez overseering, I found this a bit underwhelming as i wanted every death to be memorable and visceral. Ohwell, it had the classic music and the jungle vibe from the first one, but something just felt like it was missing, ya know, like some innovation?
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Jul 10, 2010 12:18:47 AM CDT
I just need one more moderately long post from Graham
by 'cholera's ghost
Before I understand what his stance on this movie is.
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to over-unsell something, until I came to AICN Talkback.
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Thanks, man. You were indeed first on the mark with the Billy/Yakuza comparison, I went back and looked for your earlier comments. It does seem like a logical thing to do in this one - give us something we were essentially denied in the first film until the end with Arnold. Even that was pretty indirect combat for most of it. The long setup with Billy probably made the offscreen end more fitting in that case, and more chilling.
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Bill Paxton is the anly actor ever to be killed by an Xenomorph and a Predator! props to that...
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First people thought the original Clash of the Titans was good? Now, Predator 2 is good? What next? Attack of the Clones will be great?
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At least I think it was him (as one of the punks Arnie takes clothes from). His mate was killed on screen. It's safe to assume that he was too.
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(SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I liked this movie. I really did, and I recommend that all fans go watch it ASAP.
But I think there's just something about these recent movies that aren't hitting for me. Iron Man 2, Toy Story 3, and now Predators. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these movies are bad. Toy Story 3 is awesome. I'm beginning to think that it's just me, rather than the movie. But something just feels missing. Iron Man 2 is missing something from Iron Man. Toy Story 3 is missing something from Toy Story. And Predators, while delivering overall, is missing something from the first two.
I'm not a movie critic. I miss most "plot holes" people find. I happily munch my popcorn and watch Arnold terminate people. But something is not hitting, at least not the way it used to, with these movies. Maybe it's just me.
1. THE KILLS - Whenever one of these movies is about to come out (speaking in general of horror/sci-fi/thriller), you always hear staff and promoters rave about how creative and innovative its gonna be, with regards to the weapons, the situations, and the kills. Then the movie comes out, and 99% of the time its the same old same old.
Predators lacks that one memorable badass kill (of one of the human characters). It doesn't have to be gore...it can be situational, where the human and the alien hunter play their chess game and the human gets caught...."oh shit"...splat! For the most part the alien hunters here just walk up and stab people. There are no smart kills, and no "whoa shit!" kills.
2. THE HUMAN CHARACTERS - WHERE'S THE BEEF? These guys are no Arnold, Carl Weathers, and Jesse Ventura. It's not just the muscle, it's the swagger and charisma they brought with that look as well. Besides Isabelle and maybe the asian dude, I didn't like any of these new guys. They didn't have that swagger and charm to them. The white convict guy....the black guy...the doc...who cares about them?? Were you really rallying behind Adrien Brody in this movie? Not me. I was hoping his character would get blown to pieces and only Isabelle survives.
3. THE PREDATORS - In the previous movies, the humans spend all movie just to beat ONE alien hunter. Here, there are three of them and each one is beat one-on-one by a human! Am I missing something? I was looking forward to the alien hunters demonstrate all that experience Morpheous mentioned, with all these smart kills and tricks and stuff. Instead, the Russian takes down one, a Japanese takes down another, and Brody finishes it off! I would have prefered the alien hunters as faaaar more powerful....like one human survives by the skin of her teeth, and thats it. No one-on-one victories, or even draws.
Secondly, maybe I am confused but what happened to the alien hunters' code of honor thing? Here, they are stabbing defenseless, unarmed people, and lightly armed people in the back. What's going on here?
Thirdly, this movie had two drawn-out scenes where the not-as-good-as-Arnold/Carl/Jesse humans are sitting around talking. Boooring. What about giving some individuality to the alien hunters?? There were three of them right? Even with limited screentime, give each alien hunter distinct personalities (like the 1984 Karate Kid baddies). Like one is a gunner, another is a swordsman, and another likes to set traps....or something. And make it clear...and make them each look very distinguishable on screen. That way, when the asian dude is swordfighting, he could be doing it with the established alien swordsman...and that makes it cooler.
I am a big fan of Robert Rodriguez and am very thankful to him for getting this series back on track. This is the best Pred movie that we've had in a looong while. Still, I hope the sequel can bring in some really cool, beefy, badass characters....and give us a storyline filled with strategies and smart kills by alien hunters that are given more individuality. Also, there's no need for the whole thing about good guys actually being bad guys and sneaking up behind the good guys and all that stuff. I prefer just to play it straight. Two sides in a chess game, and may the best hunter win.
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Movie sucked. Basically played out as a re-imagining of the first. The three big fight scenes were lame (the samurai sword fight? Lets run back and forth and not be able to see anything...) AND IM SICK OF PREDATORS SIDING WITH HUMAns. LAME. The music was identical, which was cool, but then every scene after the half way point could be matched up to a scene from the original. Think ESCAPE FROM LA compared to NY - same movie, only much worse.
AND BRODY, IN MUD, WITH A TORCH?!? Get out of here...came off as an Arnold-wannabe with an eating disorder...
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And I like Pred 2 as well. Glover was not a good choice, but hell, everything else was cool as far as I'm concerned. Picky sons o' bitches, aintcha?
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Saw it this afternoon and I have to say I'm very disappointed. Kinda the same feeling I had when I saw Alien Ressurection.
About me: Love Predator, like Predator 2, didn't hate AVP as much as the rest of the world, but absolutely fucking HATED AVP2! But I hear there's a Vancouver curse where most big American movies shot there end up sucking, and therefore AVP2 was shat out by two viz fx nerds claiming to be fans. I truly hope Hollywood has locked those two nerds in director jail.
Now,Predators:
So, as far as we know Predators hunt packs of Aliens successfully, but somehow have their asses handed to them when skinny Brody throws a few punches. I mean, the 3 Predators in this film are useless, like as if this is where they send the retarded predators so the rest of their family doesn't have to bear the shame of their retarded hapless Predator sons. None of the kills or deaths were cool or original in this film (AVP had much better set pieces than this film) and there really isn't a single cool "holy shit" moment of any of the Predators. Just a bunch of nods to the first film. A one-on-one fight like Billy had, swinging logs, big deal...who cares. And Brody talks about making friends with a Predator flying home to Earth like it's as easy as catching a bus downtown. It just all didn't make any sence. What's the movie about? None of the characters have any real development, and there really isn't any plot. And the way they all claim to have been kidnapped from Earth - "I saw a flash". Fuck, I'd like to see what magic the Predators used to teleport the death row inmate outta jail. Actually seeing the Predators come to Earth to kidnap the characters would at least have been an interesting concept.
I really wanted to like this film, but at every turn it seemed to fizzle out. There's SO MUCH EXPOSITORY DIALOGUE in this film I was shocked. In the original, people just talk like soldiers, less is more, The original truly felt like you were watching a hunt in progress.
IMPORTANT NOTE: None of the characters know each other, so therefore for the most part don't care about each other. This is a big problem because what worked so well in the original was that they fought like a team, organized and smart. The Predators characters just march through the jungle talking loud, with absolutely no objective. Not very interesting. The group is kinda cool, but just imagine how much cooler it would have been to watch them work together as a team to fight the predators using each of their unique skills instead of just dying one-by-one in uninspired ways. Danny Trejo's character may have had the coolest death in the film, but guess what...we never see it. Thanks. Great.
MORPHEUS: Holy shit, methinks Nimrod and Lawrence F are in love with each other and decided to go off on a tangent and let Larry do what ever the fuck he wanted to do with his character. He rambles on-and-on boring the hell out of the audience, tries to fuck them over with a two dollar camp fire, and then dies very very easily...some warrior. And what's up with his predator helmet that looks like Super Shredder's costume from Turtles 2? He can cloak, hunt with alien weaponry, and after that first glimpse it's never mentioned once. Super. And Rodriguez's interview implied Larry was signed on to do two films. Really? So he can come back to bore us again? Fuck that.
So, the film ends with more parachutes falling for another round of hunting, and Brody and Girl walk off. "Let's get off this fucking planet". Wow, what an amazing line to finish off a film we've been waiting over 20 years for. Kinda like Indy 4...ya know...really...that's what took 20 fucking years to create.
If you liked the original, buy the new remastered blu ray, it's awesome. Arnold is amazing, possibly his best work. But don't expect much excitement or moments of surprise of exhileration from Predators. It's no where even remotely close to what james Cameron did with Aliens when following the fantastic Alien. Nimrod Antal is an average director, who probably tried his best with a weak script and concept. I feel kind of sorry for him, because he probably did his very best with the material. We live in a time where film makers get amazing oppertunities such as making sequels to beloved properties, and far too ofter there is no TRUE VISION. It's just a really good reminder to cherish the moments you have in a theatre when watching an inspired original film that grips or moves you.
I'm hoping Inception is as good as everyone says it is, so I can wipe the memory of Predators from my mind. Oh wait, it's already gone...wasn't that memorable to begin with.
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as a fan of the original, I find the comments by Metropolis, GibsonUSA Returns and kevred just about say everything that needs to be said on this. :(
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Have read some user comments, and having seen Predators tonight, felt compelled to write 1st talkback. Came away utterly disappointed, considering Rodriguez's enthusiasm and reverance for the original, and Antal's involvement as I thought Kontrol was impressive debut.
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Have read some user comments, and having seen Predators tonight, felt compelled to write 1st talkback. Came away utterly disappointed, considering Rodriguez's enthusiasm and reverance for the original and Antal's involvement as I thought Kontroll was an impressive debut.
As stated previously by other users, during the film I couldn't help but think of how superior Predator is (and how I now viewed the Predator creature as a man in a suit); superior in terms of story, pace, characters, overall "feel"-Predators is more uninspired, partial homage. Though its definitely different in tone, can't say its THAT much better than the 1st AVP film considering the creative team involved and the result.
And in regard to sequels being bigger, better to succeed and references to Aliens-Cameron smartly knew he couldn't improve upon the formula Scott produced (claustrophobic terror, "Jaws-in-space" vibe) with Alien. And though you can say Aliens is "bigger, more", I think more importantly he took it in a different DIRECTION -one of relentless action/thrills and that's why it works so well as its own film. Predators basically used the Nostromo setting, replaced memorable characters with stock/uninteresting stereotypes and utilized multiple aliens as opposed to one-if all that makes sense. Everyone of course is entitled to their feelings and are free to view Predators as a success but I respectfully disagree. -
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The movie definitely felt lazy and made some of the same mistakes that AVP-R did in working too hard to paying homage which essentially led to total plagiarism of the original film. In this case it was "slightly" more forgiven as this was clearly intended to play out as a direct sequel to the original but at the same time that's more reason not to totally attempt to recreate specific scenes. I think the "over hear" moment with Fishburne pissed me off more than any other since it sounded like they used the exact voice track from the original film. I was almost expecting the woman who knew about the Predator to say she was the woman from the 1987 films daughter. On the plus side I loved the Predators and how they came off on film this time around and there were a strong amount of moments throughout the film that made me enjoy the film in spite of the moments that were more or less disappointing. There were certainly dozens of lost opportunities to have some great original dialogue among that cast that instead ended up sounded like repeated efforts to match dialogue from the original film. I wish Robert Rodriguez did actually direct the film as his touch is what I feel the movie was missing but I can say I walked away not feeling disappointed and interested in seeing more films to come with hopefully a little more originality and maybe more Rodriguez/Tarintino badassary in the characters as I also felt that was lacking in this, even with Machete! -
I forgot to note that in my last post.
4. Nobody got hunted in this movie! For a movie that was supposed to be "back to the basics", I thought we'd see some creative hunting on the part of the alien hunters.But nobody was successfully hunted, except maybe Danny Trejo's character, but that happens completely off screen so we have no clue what happened. Let's run it down:
- Hunters run into humans *by accident* at the camp, and one stabs the black guy in the back.
- Hunter runs into Morpheus *by accident* and blows him away.
- Hunter stalks unarmed Topher Grace, but is blown away by Russian guy.
- Hunter shoots nearly unarmed white prisoner guy in the back.
- Hunter confronts Japanese guy, who was waiting for him, and gets sliced up.
- Hunter gets beaten up by Adrien Brody.
When you look at it this way, these alien hunters can seem like a bunch of coward newbies. Morpheus hunted down the other humans better than the alien hunters did! Couldn't we have a Predators movie with a squad of badass guys, and an alien hunter smartly takes them each one by one? That would be back to the basics. -
which its supposed to be the true sequel of the original,turned out to be a mediocre film,even worse than the true and a lot more original sequel movie aka predator 2 ? geez,now who would have expected that? ts,ts,ts well lets hope the next predator movie will be the TRUE sequel.ahahaha.
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yeah yeah its the sequel that predator deserves.riiiiight.so how is Rodriguez doing?
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Did not walk in expecting much, but even this it turned out to be a big disappointment. The first 30 or so minutes were a complete snooze fest. Every time we get a close up of some mofo's face looking bewildered the audience just couldn't help but cringe. We know too much of this movie from the synopsis to make any of those "suspenseful" discovery scene work at all. Barely any mysteries were extended with the Predator, and this whole Predator-X thing looked stupid as fuck - like some kid's lame ass sketch of a pred mixed with a motorcycle helmet.... looks even worse when he takes the thing off and you see his stupid features. And how does Fishburne's character (just about the only person who "acted" in this disaster, sans a Brody who is on and off) who managed to survive for "10 seasons" gets axed when shit hits the the fan in less than 120 seconds? He just waltz out of his ship when things go AWOL, with all his experience, and gets fragged without even putting up any fight? I think after this and Spiderman 3, whenever I see Topher Grace's name on the casting list of an action film, I'm going to avoid it like a plague. You cannot follow to the original, with the classic badass prototypes and expect a GOOD result when you make a sequel with some kid like Topher. On a funny note, did anyone else think of this? Fishburne is really fucking fat for a guy who has to make ends meet on a predator game planet. I mean he's at least 50lbs overweight; with all the sparse resources, what the fuck does a man in that situation eat to be that jolly?
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when you have a hawk nose of that extreme, you'd expect the guy to have some wings and not fumble with a parachute to get his ass on smooth landing.
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"Okay let's put in your token Asian minority, have him speak less than 10 words, and we MUST have him use kungfu, if not, a sword to fight the Predator, because that's what kids will find to be cool these days, WRESTLERS doing WWF stunts in Predators suits and samurai swords. It's pure genius!" What's next? We're gonna have a sequel where a Tyson goes boxing against the Predator? Will they continue to stain the original?
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where the Predators are stupid, not even the least bit cunning, who do not hunt or sneak up for a quick kill on their preys, who do not demonstrate any level of intelligence when figuring out a gameplan on how to hunt humans and instead relies on BUMPING into humans (you're telling me that Fishburne somehow hid in a shipwreckage, the first place where humans are expected to camp out, for 10 seasons?), who fucking walks as slow as a tank, as slow as a malnourished African baby, up to their prey only to get attacked, then you know you have a problem... at least for the fuck sakes, ZOOM OUT THE CAMERA when you have two preds fighting each other, both of which look alike apart from one having a stupid Halloween motorbike helmet.
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MAKE IT SO FFS !!!!!!
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SPOILERS!!!
I went in expecting Fishbourne to be the worst thing in the film, from the previews, and from what some had said. And he was fuckin gold! lol. I mean we laughed all through that shit, but that was at least laughing at the character and not at the MOVIE, like we were a lot of the rest of the time. So he was cheesy/corny and over the top - the movie NEEDED that to keep it from being UTTERLY bland. And yeh, he was just funny, he didn't go TOTALLY overboard with the crazy and he was just fuckin funny
Otherwise, more or less 'meh' for me. Love Predator, don't mind P2, think I've watched each AVP while very drunk when forced to, didn't even like them then haha. Just so you know where I'm comin from. 'Parrently that's important ;)
They clda totally cut out the fuckin CGI were-predator things, that was boring and made the flick take way too long to get to an actual predator. Wldnt have missed it in the slightest
Saw the 'twist' of the solitary 'good guy' of the group being a weird psycho from about the moment he entered the proceedings - when he fell into a river 4-foot deep, headfirst from 10 feet up and somehow didn't break his neck
cpl good kills of predators, both times their heads were lopped off it was nice. Spine ripping out of the prison dude was cool. But all pretty par for the course man
Brody using the SAME DEVICE as the first flick, the mud, at the end - fucking lame! surely they realised one of the most important things in this film is to come up with a clever ending LIKE that, which is awesome, but which is DIFFERENT.
I didn't fuckin get it, either - am I stupid?
1: he doesnt put nearly enuf mud on himself to cover his body temperature. He looked like my niece when she's been playing in the yard for a bit
2: after putting mud on himself he stands IN FRONT OF FIRE, which would make him even MORE visible against the flames, if the mud actually worked
3: the predator's heat-vision then goes haywire (?)...is the idea that so much contrast made it go weird? And then brody hides behind a TREE, anyway, for some reason and then...what exactly was the fucking PLAN, again? And yeh, not using the mud trick earlier, when they HEARD about it, was stupid, although presumably theyre smart enuf to realise that itd heat up pretty damn fast. Just not smart enough to actually understand how/why the trick WORKS and utilise it properly at the end, hah -
this movie deserves under selling ... but in saying that i have calmed down now, ive had the benefit of 8 hours sleep and breakfast in bed, however ..... fuck this movie, it stinks worse than the particles of poop hanging from my ass hair. rodriguez is a hack, Nimrod is a hack. they've made a film that makes alien vs predator look good and that really fucking pisses me off, and to add insult to injury, i'm fucking being dragged to see twighlight eclipse later today by my broad .... and ill probably like it more than this shit. how the fuckin hell did that happen, r patz cooler than predators!!!!! how and why!!!!!!!
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Well I thought all the predator visions were either done very blandly or not fully utilized... it just didn't hit me the same cool way the original did.
Also Fishburne was great, I thought the twist to what he did was interesting, because it really have to make you wonder - does he poison every new human he meets not only for their weapons but to eat them up as well? That's one part that bugged me, what the fuck was Brody offered to eat? It was like a meat stew but Brody never at all question about what he was eating. I think it was human meat, meat that Fishburne carves up from new prisoners that he poisons. Too bad his character died way too soon without even putting up a fight.
If they had gone the "predictable" way with Fishburne being the lone survivor guiding all the newbies into fighting the preds, it would have been too cookie-cutter like in an already done-by-the-number sort of deal... Fishburne was the only true surprise out of this film. Not earth-shattering but shows up as a positive in light of all the negatives. -
Lazy, Cliched, Predictable, Bland, Uninspired, Plot-hole ridden, Illogical, Cheap, Paint-by-Numbers, Hack-Job, Wooden Acting, Hilariously Awful Dialogue, One-dimensional characters (or probably ZERO dimensional characters...), poorly plotted/paced, Goofy, Cheesy, Half-Assed, Insincere, unimaginative, Trite, Banal NONSENSE. Am i missing anything?
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been as angry towards a film in my ENTIRE LIFE, as i am with "Predators"... lol. I am absolutely filled with RAGE. A cinamtic abortion to which the likes i have never seen. And i'm not generally this hyperbolic lol
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I feel a HUGE RANT COMING ON... Brace yourselves!
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Jul 10, 2010 7:52:18 AM CDT
To put it as briefly as i can...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
I have NEVER walked out of a theatre more enraged. Never have i felt so much animosity towards a film-maker. This was absolute lowest common denominator bullshit. No ARTISTIC MERIT in the least. In no way WHATSOEVER, was it an improvement over the horrendous, insufferable AVP movies. With numerous lapses in logic, plot holes galore, perhaps the most one-dimensional characters i have ever witnessed in all my years of watching films, the worst dialogue since the star wars prequels, cheap sets/costumes/cgi, boring/bland "action" and lame/uninspired kills... some pretty horrendous acting (Morpheus, i'm lookin' at you! The one honerable mention going to Brody, who impressed me more than i expected... he actually elevated the awful material he was given to work with... did the best he possibly could, and i comend him for that). I'm really glad to see that the majority of the people on here came away feeling the same way. And to all the imbeciles with inconceivably low standards and poor taste on here who are defending this pile of excretement... this isn't simple "hating/whining/trolling", whatever you wish to call it. Many posters on here have given SPECIFIC FUCKING EXAMPLES on why this movie FAILED MISERABLY ON EVERY CONCEIVABLE LEVEL from a FILM-MAKING STANDPOINT. It ABSOLUTELY failed on every objective, qualitative, facet of film-making. Any use of logic, critical thought, objectivity, would lead you all to the same conclusions as the rest of us "enlightened" folks... The APOLOGISTS are the ones basing their reactions on personal bias and irrational feelings, and even ignorance. The things they list that are somehow "good" about the film are, in fact, BLATANT RIPOFF's of the original fucking film... they're just to ignorant to see it! The goddamn score was just copy and pasted over this film from the original! Absolutely IDENTICAL! That's not fucking "clever"... thats fucking LAZY. It's manipulative. That's pretty sad that the best thing about a movie is that which they RIPPED OFF from the original film lol... And the fucking RIDICULOUS, FANBOY-ESQUE Yakuza/Predator SHOWDOWN?!?!?! I litteraly had to stop myself from LAUGHING OUT LOUD in the theatre. What a fucking JOKE. (Billy bridge scene from the original anybody? Even used the same fucking MUSCIAL CUE from the original! Fuckin' amateur...) Even the people that "liked" this shitstain of a movie, mention as such. They actually, as Massa does in his review, point out THE FUCKING HUGE, GLARING FLAWS! They offer no clear, definitive, reason/argument/defense, on why they thought it was a "good movie". That is obviously due to the fact that they have NO ARGUMENT. Without a defense, your opinion has NO MERIT. So to those who continue to live in "LaLa Land", who believe that "everyone's opinions are equal", and that "film is entirely subjective"... well, you can rightly go FUCK YOURSELVES! It's funny, the people that spout this shit off are always the ones who have the poor taste... lol And all you twats fail to realize that this philosophy, as warm and fuzzy as it may sound to you, is actually HARMFUL. Think about it... It discourages INTROSPECTION, ANALYSIS, EXAMINATION of why you feel a certain way about something. (You can just say, "Yep, i liked it!". Without defending it in any way) FUCK THAT. It encourages IGNORANCE, LAZINESS, and LOW STANDARDS, while discouraging PERSONAL GROWTH. Saying that ALL opinions are equal... you don't have to defend your position! Just go with a gut reaction... your instinct, your primal, lizard-brain knee-jerk reaction! Without any further analysis whatsoever! Good taste doesn't exist! Whatever you do, don't use logic or rational thought!! Serisouly, how fucking stupid does this sound? lol Not everyone has to have the same exact position on every movie ever made. Shit, that would get boring, real fucking fast. However, EVERYONE should be able to DEFEND their stance... on ANYTHING for that matter! Dissect it, analyze it, pull it apart, deconstruct it... Only then can you truly be enlightened. The more critical you are of something, the more you will appreciate TRUE GREATNESS. Seriously! If you find "Predators" to be "quality film-making"...than how could you POSSIBLY appreciate a TRULY GOOD FILM such as A Clockwork Orange? It simply CANNOT BE. If you really use the same objective standards/criteria to judge each film individually, you just CANNOT come away thinking both Predators and A Clockwork Orange are both good films. Thus, I respect NO OPINIONS in ANY SUBJECT MATTER (politics, film, music, philosophy, etc.) that aren't defended. I simply don't. I don't even care if you hate "Predators" as much as i do. If you have no logical, rational defense on why you feel that way, than your opinion is rendered moot. That simple. And in the case of "Predators", there is absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY to defend it as a "good film" by using any objective criteria as it relates to film-making, or art in general. Unless your standards/expectations are just unimaginably low... In conclusion, I never... EVER thought i would say this about a film, but i cannot deny it. "Predators" was actually worse than the following films: AVP, Resident Evil: Apocalypse, Transformers 2, Alien Resurrection, X-Men: Last Stand, Spiderman 3, and Ballistick: Ecks vs. Sever. NO HYPERBOLE. It was the worst movie of the year, HANDS DOWN. Arguably, one of the worst movies of the decade. It may be the LAZIEST, most UNINSPIRED, PREDICTABLE, CLICHED, HALF-ASSED, ILLOGICAL, HACK-JOB's i have ever seen commited to celluloid. I am STUNNED that there are people on here actually defending this fucking dreck. Not ONE redeemable feature about this film. Not a single SINCERE, or GENUINE/HONEST bone in its body. What an absolute travesty. An absolute microcosm of whats wrong with hollywood these days... unoriginal, regurgitated, cheap, half-assed nonsense. Shame to anyone who finds this piece of shit entertaining. May God have mercy on your soul... lol
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Thanks to your posts I won't lose 106 minutes of my life. Sorry you guys did. Think of it this way, you took one for the team.
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The way Brody took out that Predator at the end was one of the dumbest could-only-happen-in-a-dumb-movie scenes ever. Basically Predator stands in one spot, disoriented, while Brody sprints to and fro between some campfires. As he passes the predator he whacks him on the head and "disappears" behind another bit of fire. Apparently the predator is so disoriented that he can only stand there and accept his beating in dumbfoundment.
Can't say how silly I found this. It's the type of thing THE FLASH does in a Justice League cartoon for fuck's sake.
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Jul 10, 2010 7:57:28 AM CDT
And the funniest thing of all??
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
I went in with REALLY LOW EXPECTATIONS lol... Seriously! Figured it would just "kinda suck". I went in as optimistic as i possibly could. "I'm sure there will be at least ONE POSITIVE THING i can take away from this!" (I told myself) Little did i know, the unimaginable, EPIC FUCKING FAIL, that awaited me... what i would have to endure for the next 107 minutes...
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I'm sure it didn't have all that "dead space" like the original did. Seriously it can't be that bad can it?
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Agreed! And worst of all, was the way they "tricked" the SUPER-DUPER-PREDATOR with Topher's body... which was the SAME FUCKING TRICK THE PREDATORS USED ON THE HUMANS EARLIER IN THE FUCKING MOVIE!!! ARGGHGHGHGHHHHH, the sheer IDIOCY! lmao The Predators in this film showed about as much logic as fuckin Jason Vorhees. Big, Dumb, Lumbering killing machines. Not even close to what made the original predator so fucking smart, cool, and cunning... for SHAME
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is the Everybody gets a Trophy aspect to it. What I mean is that for the most part everyone seems to get their moment in the sun before dying. So like, Walton Goggins gets to stab a predator. Sword guy gets to kill one with a samurai sword. Etc Etc! This is not Predator! The entire point of the first two-thirds of the first movie is to show just how out-of-their-league these complete badasses are and how they just DIE, one by one in relatively short order and how nobody has even a fucking chance... until Arnold steps up and goes mano a mano in one of the great cinematic showdowns ever. In this one, it appears everyone has a shot at killing one, even the flyweight Japanese guy with a relatively flimsy sword.
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so i take that you didnt like the film? why? too much dead space?
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although i wouldnt mind a bunch of Predators gangbang-raping her.it would have made the flick better no?
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I re-watched it a few weeks back and was struck by the perfect pacing and structure of the movie. Aliens, and Predator should be studied in screenwriting class. (not that I reccommend screenwriting classes).
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but the only real problem I have with 2 is Glover. Just horribly miscast, particularly when going from Arnie to him as your protagonist. The rest of the movie could be the best movie ever done, but if you screw up the main protag that badly, it's nearly impossible to recover.
As for Predators, I liked it. I thought it clung a little too closely to the original, lifting moments and dialogue directly from number 1. Sure, you knew who was going to live to the final showdown from the first moment, but don't you in most of these types of movies? Not a great movie, but enjoyable. B- -
coz i fucking love that film...ok so the hyrbid thing is fuckin goofy, but the rest, to me is as fresh and cool as Cameron's take on the franchise. After the first two films, AR is easily the one ive watched as much, its actually pretty fuckin accomplished. So when people use THAT film in their list of disappointments...me, i tend to put their 'opinion' in the 'who gives a shit' box and still hope for the best from predators..Put it this way, if it insults my intelligence as much as Inglorious Basterds or Cloverfield..I won't be a fan..
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Jul 10, 2010 8:58:12 AM CDT
and to the HILARIOUSLY RETARDED individual...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
who said that you can "use all the same criticisms from "Predators" to the original "Predator"... i LAUGH IN YOUR FUCKING STUPID FACE. Shit, you probably say that about the star wars prequels too...heh "all the criticisms you use against the prequels, you can use on the OT! There is no difference!" HA fuckin' HA!! If you actually believe, deep down, that "Predators" and the original "Predator" are, artistically speaking, EQUAL IN FUCKING QUALITY, based on the quantitative fundementals of film-making such as: Acting, casting, direction, writing, dialogue, character development, score, cinematography, editing, pacing, building of tension, set design, production values, costumes and makeup, internal logic, plot consistency, tone/atmosphere, originality, subtlety, depth, and nuance... than you can never, EVER be allowed to objectively, critically discuss film (or all art for that matter) EVER AGAIN. Die in a fire.
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.......That although I disagree with your view of Predator 2 (which I greatly enjoyed), I loved Predators to bits, and agree completely with your review!! I gave up on the whole Aliens and Predators franchises with AVP Requiem (a film that sucked so much I watched it a second time drunk, to see if it made a difference. And it did - it was even more shite!!) but by goodness Rodriguez and Antal did their work. Yes, there are flaws, but by goodness, this movie was a kick up the backside. A final note, but maybe, just maybe, there's hope for the Alien franchise after all?
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From this point forward... i shall never take you seriously about ANYTHING you EVER say about ANYTHING ever AGAIN. LOL Holy shit bro, seriously? Alien Resurrection was ALMOST as big a shit-in-the-face to the Alien franchise as "Predators" was to the Predator franchise. The acting was AWFUL. Even Sigourney was terrible in that... (probably due more to the script, than her fault...) The dialogue was just... just, fucking CHEEEEEEESEBALL. The fucking cinematography, was AMATEUR at best. Loved those "fishbowl" lens shots or whatever the fuck they're called... Just hideous. The plot was RI-FUCKING-DICULOUS. The whole cloning ripley, half-alien-human-hybrid thingy?? What the FLYING FUCK?!? Fuck. I'm so angry now just by you mentioning that travesty of a film. I assume, based on your obvious LACK OF TASTE, that you "hated" alien 3. And i'm sure you hated it for valid, OBJECTIVE reasons like the script, the acting, the cinematography, the score... all of which were fucking CLASS. I'm sure you didn't hate it for silly, BIASED, SUBjective reasons like: NO MARINES!?!? ONE ALIEN!?!? NO MACHINE GUNS?!?! NEWT AND HICKS KILLED!?!? RIPLEY SHAVED HER HEAD!?!? IT'S DARK AND MOODY AND DEPRESSING! RIPLEY KILLED HERSELF!!! WAAAAAAAH!!! IT'S NOT HOW I WOULD HAVE MADE IT! THE ALIENS SHOULD HAVE COME TO EARF!! DUUUUURRRRR Yeah. I'm sure it's NONE of those... Go learn some objectivity you classless douche. Maybe you'll gain some better, more MATURE taste...
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If u were stuck on an "alien" planet for 10 years you wouldnt be as fat as him. what the fuck was eating? his decision to smoke them out (was it implied he was gonna eat them?) would have made more sense if he needed them for sustenance. Plus it appeared as a new batch of game dropped in daily so that was plenty of butt cheeks to feast on. Besides that i thought it was great, action brody worked and i loved the throwback to the original score right from the start.
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Jul 10, 2010 9:17:57 AM CDT
"When i get back home I'm gonna do so much coke and rape some fi
by pvttouch
best movie quote of the decade.
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Have you ever sat down and listened to Elliot Goldenthal's Score for Alien 3? One of the best scores in the history of the genre easily... if not film in general. "Lento", "Explosion and Aftermath", fucking "Adagio"... Epic ass shit right there... How 'bout the casting? Charles Dance? Charles S. Dutton? Andrew Glover? Ralph Brown? The guy who played "Morse"? Brilliant casting. All those bald brittish fucks :-) BRILLIANT set design... claustrophobic, moody, isolated... PERFECT fucking tone. Love the color palette: Golds and browns, oranges, yellows, rust, rust, and more RUST! AWESOME Direction by a Virgin Director... I knew right when i saw that film, that the director, Fincher, was gonna be something special. How BALLSY was it to kill Ripley's safety nets: HICKS AND NEWT. BRILLIANT. Ripley getting an alien inside her? BRILLIANT. Ripley sacrificing herself for the betterment of humanity? FUCKIN A. Morse being the lone survivor? AWESOME ;-) Charles Dutton goin' out like a "G"? BAD-FUCKING-ASS... Shall i go on? Better yet, why don't you share with us, the "brilliance" of Alien: Reserridiculous...
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Jul 10, 2010 9:24:12 AM CDT
Those who may be allowed to DIE IN A FIRE...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
We have a new member! Everyone, say "hi" to: Drumroll... Laguna Loire!!! Congratulations you fucking moron! Yaaaaaaay
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Jul 10, 2010 9:28:37 AM CDT
pvtTOUCH... "GO FUCK YOURSELF"
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
...best movie quote of the decade.
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you better respond to me. I'm gonna check in a couple of hours as i am finally going to sleep now. Hope i don't have nightmares about PREDATORS... *shudders*
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I don't have time to listen to class a cunts, and the only tragedy I can think of is that the midwife didn't drown you at birth!! Would have saved people a lot of grief!!
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and he does not want to have his name associated with it in any way for the rest of his life? not that A3 is a bad flick,but lets say that it is not what the director initially intended to be.
and killing Newt and Hicks in the start of the film,while you busted your ass to save them in the previous film,yes it is a fucking stupid idea to do in the story.A3 would have been a better film if it was not following the events of A2 and sticking to its own as a story. -
FUNNY. Yeah, I'M the cunt... No but seriously, i put you on the "Die in a fire" list because you suck, you have horrible taste, and you endorse SHITTY MOVIES. My apologies for being so blunt.
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PREDATORS is quantifiably, objectively, matter-of-factly, PURE SHIT. In NO WAY can you defend that travesty, artistically speaking... just go ahead and TRY it. Dare ya ;-)
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you sound a lot like AsimovLives.hmmmmmm.....
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did you get banned? or its one of your multiple personalities speaking now? hmmmm....
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IS a cunt ..... its true.
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Jul 10, 2010 9:41:59 AM CDT
Killik... SOUL CALIBUR FTW!!!
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
LOL I agree. The studio DICKED Fincher over like nobody's business. Still made one HELL of a flick. Fuck the Fanboys' preconceived notions about how the story SHOULD have gone... I say BRILLIANT twist. I enjoy my movies being UNPREDICTABLE... I WANT to be shaken up a bit. As opposed to "Predators", the most by-the-numbers "film" ever assembled. Seriously, did that shit just happen to coalesce on a factory conveyer belt or something? lol
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Martial law has been passed, and if you fall in your status to those you must obey, for even expressing a liking to something that might be considered "iffy", then you are put to the sword. And thus, the population was reduced to a minority of one. I'm glad I made your list, as it seems that you're so tied-up in your sad shitty little fucktard of a world that you can't even see past the end of your nose!! I'm really saddened, because Eliot Goldenthal's soundtrack to Alien 3 is sublime, I can agree on that. But you aren't THE cunt, you're just a cunt, and an insignificant cunt at that. And in a sea of cunts, you can scream all you like, but you won't be seen.
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You're overstating the case just a little bit, don't you think?
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What the fuck man? ASSimov lives? Fuck that douche. lol How dare you claim that i'm that sour, resentful, Abrams-hating douche-lord! I am THAT GIRL FROM THE LOWE'S COMMERCIALS' GARGANTUAN FOREHEAD. You seen that fucking commercial? Seriously... WOW. But all kidding aside, the only other screen-name i go by is "fettitular". For seome reason i couldn't log in to that one tonight... Long time lurker (since 2000) I started posting here recently, and i got in a few really good discussions with some people on here, especially talking about good, obscure music and whatnot. You should check out the Talkback on Trent Reznor and atticus finch scoring The Social Network. Good stuff... My first appearance was in the LOST finale talkback when i completely and utterly, in DEVASTATING fashion, DECONSTRUCTED the FUCK outta that ridiculous, soul-curshingly bad episode... Good times ;-)
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They show the Super Predator's face. LOL.
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You talkin' about Alien 3? I fuckin' love the HELL outta that movie. Most criminally underrated, misunderstood, unfairly maligned movie of all time... I defend that as if it were my first born child... lol So yeah, maybe just a bit ;-)
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Maybe dial down the hyperbole a bit. It's tiresome.
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Just wanted to state that. Saw it on day of release, it was a flawed but still superb movie (and considering Sigourney Weaver was nominated for an Oscar for Aliens, she should've taken it outright for Alien 3). The extended edition (note: NOT DIRECTORS CUT!!) was even better. Alien 3 was a sadly maligned movie, misunderstood by audiences who instead wanted to see Mel Gibson do crazy shite in Lethal Weapon 3.
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"Iffy"? Did you just say that Predators is... "IFFY"?!? Here's where you are wrong bud. Predators belongs on the 7th level of "filmic" HELL. Such a level of hell is home to pedophiles, Hitler, Soulja Boy, and now... PREDATORS. I seriously hate this movie more than AIDS. "Iffy" is Shutter Island... Ang Lee's Hulk... Blade 2... Predator 2 even... NOT Predators. Which belongs with the likes of Blair Witch 2, Transformers 2, X-men 3, Catwoman, Alien Resurrection, Terminator 3, yadda yadda yadda, you get the point :-)
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Jul 10, 2010 9:57:34 AM CDT
Launa Loire has officially...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
earned a point in my book. Maybe a point and a half ;-)
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You don't like Predators, well thats fine for you. I didn't say it was "iffy", you did (or rather you didn't). Tell me, do you stalk movie studios and such? It strikes me you have a screw loose?
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Jul 10, 2010 10:00:52 AM CDT
Sorry autodidact, i do apologize...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
i'm running on adrenaline here... ;-)
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Two things were good in this film - the overhead tracking shot as the characters slide down the side of the cliff & Stans' comment about coke & bitches. The rest of it was so, so ordinary...
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Jul 10, 2010 10:08:08 AM CDT
Nope, don't have a habit of doing that...
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
I'm just a REALIST. An OBJECTIVIST. I believe in absolute truths. For instance, the score to Alien 3. You say, that EVERYONE'S opinion is equally valid. I say NO. It isn't my OPINION that Goldenthall is a genius. That his Alien 3 score is a work of utter perfection. It just IS... No debate. I'm just unbiased enough, intelligent enough, whathaveyou... to "see it". Subjectivity is an illusion (most of the time). Not all opinions are valid. If you really want to get into this lovely philosophical debate, we can do it another time ;-) but i'll leave you with one thought: In MY HUMBLE OPINION... Ms. Brittany Spears is a more accomplished, more talented musical artist than John Lennon. Is my opinion valid mr. laguna? Hhhmmmmm... *strokes chin gently*
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it is just that your style of criticizing reminded me of him.ROFL.not that i have any problem with that,as long as his ranting is about films that deserve it.
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Its a classic that everyone enjoys and you probally haven't watched in awhile. It'll ease the pain for those of you who hated predators. Lot of good posts about the DD on capones review of predators. Last, be nice everyone. Too much hate in this world already, don't add to it on a movie like this.
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Sorry, Aliens fanboys, but Predators would kill SCORES of Aliens. The script is so simple. Human Elite military team joins Predator team to survive and then it's a sprint to the end of the movie to see who lives as nearly endless amounts of Aliens relentlessly try to capture or exterminate them. YOU HERE ME, HOLLYWOOD??!!!
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whoops.
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Weak for a Predator film. No plot and lame characters. And the first two acts are a snore.
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The second-dumbest part of the movie is when Lawrence Fishburne "tries to kill" them and by that I mean he goes in a room underneath the rest and lights a fire smaller than I have on my stove about once per year. That scene was so fucking stupid, I was literally shaking my head and face-palming.
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Jul 10, 2010 11:36:10 AM CDT
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by jackgraham
well fucking said and i too am filled with rage. any suggestions on how to deal with it?
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I loved both the first and second Predator movies almost equally! Back when P2 came out, the only bitching I heard from anyone about it is "no Arnold". The concept of "No Arnold" is never a bad thing, hell it is a good thing for the state of California!! By the way, P2 had that hot naked chick which was a nice bonus! :-)
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you really want to see this movie despite many many posts above saying how truly awful it is. i guess curiosity gets the best of all of us but believe me man, your gonna be dissapointed, unless, as previous talkbacker notes, you liked catwoman, terminator 3, blair witch 2, and id place die hard 4 there aswell. read all posts by That_Girl_From_The_Lowes_Commerc ials_GARGANTUAN_FOREHEAD, sure he may be angry, so was i last night after seeing it, but the man sums up predators perfectly.
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How dare you say this film is the sequel Predator deserves. I guess you didn't like that movie much or you're so far into Rodriguez ass that even the lumps of turd smell like roses. The actors were all miscast. The script makes zero sense especially the ecology of the world they're in.
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Such a weak movie. I was going in with extremely low expectations, peppered with slight slivers of hope based on some of the fan reviews here at AICN and other sites. But nope, my fears were realized. There is NOTHING badass about the movie except the Predators themselves. Adrien Brody is NOT a badass, Hollywood. Stop trying to make him into one. He looks too much like Pee Wee Herman to be a badass. And any scene Lawrence Fishbourne was embarrassingly bad. It had its moments for sure, but in no way was this a worthy successor to the original. It apes far too many moments from the original. I'd almost even call it a remake, there are that many echoes to the original film. The filmmakers hearts were in the right place, but this needed a better script (Shane Black would've been nice) and a much more badass cast. They aren't really given much at all to do. Weak movie. This die-hard Predator fan was severely disappointed by Predators.
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The only scene in this entire fucking movie that showed any creativity was the ninja showdown. Can't think of a single shot from this film that I'd like to see in a freeze frame. Compare to Superman The Movie which I watched last night on blu-ray... god damn, just the Daily Planet newsroom has more thought and creativity onscreen than the entire 107 minutes of this shit-fest... by the way, having slept on it, I really dislike the movie.
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With a budget of 38 million, it will make about 24 million for the weekend, but add in cost for film prints, distribution, advertising and promotions, and the film will not make any real money in the U.S. They'll have to make their cash overseas and in aftermarkets such as DVD, cable, pay-per-view and broadcast TV. I blame the issue on poor casting. Andrien Brody does not scream the word star, when you think of him. He is a who cares sort of persona--and Rodriguez did nothing to set this film up as a must-see event, in fact, I didn't even know that it got released yesterday, that is how under the radar I think the film is playing with the masses? The low budget is this movie's only saving grace!!! To tell the truth, most films should be, and can be, made with budgets this low, the rest is just false inflated costs, and padding the books.
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I haven't seen this film, but I am not surprised with the backlash, as Robert Rodriguez is not a good, or great, filmmaker, nor is he a good writer. At best, he is a gifted cinematographer, certainly a wonderful musician, and a gifted self-taught special effects man--and I cheer him for that and his rebel spirit as a filmmaker. Kudos for that, but he really needs to leave alone the schlock fests that he has been directing, and or, producing, and get serious as an artist, and a true filmmaker, and stop playing this for fun...24/7. It is time for Rodriguez to do a truly great series of films that he can be, and will be, respected for, and he can start by employing great writers to author, and edit, scripts for him.
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it would suck. Thats a fact. I had a little hope for AVP2 when i saw the rastiferian hybrid, becuase that fucker was in comic in the sequel. Reboot AVP and hire the folks that penned the first comic to do it exactly like the comic. Exactly like the first comic!
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Did it make more money than Kick Ass?
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After sleeping on it, almost laughed just thinking of superficial comparisons of "Predator" vs. "Predators". Let's see:
1. Arnold Schwarzenegger/ Adrien Brody
2. Jesse Ventura/ Oleg Taktarov
3. Carl Weathers/ Mahershalalhashbaz Ali
4. Sonny Landham/ Louis Ozawa Changchien
5. Bill Duke/Topher Grace
6. John McTiernan/Nimrod Antal
Kind of amusing...comparing the characters and the personalities of the different casts...
Also, I read in some review there was nothing remotely "alien' about the game reserve planet setting-I completely agree,felt like somewhere in the background you could maybe get a glimpse of some offseason Lake Tahoe cabin or lodge if you squinted.
Also completely disliked the Predator/Takuza swordfight- seeing the Predator costume for too long in a shot and circling his prey with fists clenched in an open field completely de-mystifies the Predator as an otherworldly monstrosity for my money. Though granted since "Predator" its impossible to replicate the shock and awe factor, much like after seeing the shark in Jaws and having suspense dwindled away with each sequel.
I really went it wanting to like this film- during it, I thought, okay maybe Topher Grace's character is an android, alluding to Ash/Bishop and on some plant this kind of science has already begun! (far fetched I know and I'm only 1/2 serious here)
Or I wondered, maybe Braga's character is the daughter of Anna from the original, to give her back story some emotional weight. But no. Nothing in that vein...
If a positive could be taken from this movie, its maybe this is a now necessary (and poor) stepping stone into greater, bigger things for future Predator movies, Arnold story/cameo included.
After it ended, I remember telling my good friend (who also thought it was VERY disappointing) that I would have much preferred to spend my money and see Universal Soldier:Regeneration on the big screen than Predators. Call me crazy.
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A sequel to one of the greatest sci-fi action films ever produced by his good buddy and no review? Hmmmm, methinks Harry doth think this sucketh?
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I had a big rant in my head but now i cant be bothered....but i suppose thats the problem. If someone could be bothered we could start some sort of 'stop making shit films please' movement. Im really tired of it now. Its not a fad, and could in fact get worse. I actually screamed at the screen after this film (im in small town america at the moment so it was only in front of a few people so im not that insane).....i dont fully remember but i think i was shouting something about taking me back to the 80s because ive had enough of this rubbish. My friend said after 'well what did you expect?', and i thought that myself when i realised after 30 minutes or so that i wasnt enjoying it, but then i got angry: why cant i expect a good sequel to a fantastic film? We're starting to accept it is the worst thing. I say 'we' but i guess i mean people who dont come on websites like this. There were 4 guys in front of me and they were on their iphones most of the way through, and im not saying this as a mark of how interesting the film was, im saying it as a mark of todays attention spans. People have to do 2/3 things at once....we might as well start putting 2 normal paced movies on side by side, that might help the easily distracted. Anyway.....I didnt like predators but its unfair to use this movie to make this point coz there are far worse. But man......blockbusters USED to have brains too.....Back to the Future, Jaws, Star Wars, Raiders, Ghostbusters.....i know im using lots of 80s movies but theyre kind of my frame of reference. I honestly cant think of a really smart, CLASSIC blockbuster movie from the past decade, one where you say to someone 'have you seen such and such? YOU HAVENT! OH MY GOD!!!'. Imagine doing that with Predators in 20 years as i do with the original? Why dont people try and make outstanding films any more , as opposed to 'just getting the job done' type films? Im sure The Matrix was the last good blockbuster....and that was 1999. Im sure im forgetting one but then i shouldnt be should i? Please, someone else tell me theyve had enough and we can meet outside some major studios and protest! Im absolutely sick of this and where we're heading. Ill get off my high horse now....
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A good return to the Predator universe and an excellent palette cleanser after those AvsP shit sandwiches.
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Why would I like the new one? Predator was just an Alien knock off.
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You guys give him too much credit. He beat Arnold within and inch of his life and then was killed because he didn't bother looking up. I could easily find flaws with the first film if I wanted to (and all of you would be ripping it a new asshole if it were released today, and you know it).
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I loved all the predator movies except Alien vs. Predator 1. This one is better than Predator 2. It was a good solid 1hr 30min. Robert Rodriguez style type movie, just like "Planet Terror" was.
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that the alien creature killed by Fishburne's character was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the original Predator concept/costume? Just began thinking of some of the similarities and the stories I read preceding the movie about the homages sprinkled throughout "Predators"
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Yeah I think the tinge of nostalgia definitely plays a part in people's love of movies, especially of the '80's sci-fi action genre. And it would be interesting to gauge reaction to "Predator" were it released today. I think the kind of films like "Jaws", "Alien" "Predator" that show comparative restraint and economy of story/pace (some would argue slow) vs the Transformers 2 and Avatars and outright fx spectacles of this generation (I'm 28 years old myself) might have some trouble finding an audience.
And never thought of Predator as an Alien knock off RP but that's an interesting point as there's definitely similarities. Though suppose you could say the same of Alien being Jaws in space as was previously pitched by Ridley Scott to the executives? I guess all movies in some way derive from other ideas, what makes them seem fresh is the presentation. There's nothing really original under the sun...Sigh... -
The Predator discovered the first trap and avoided it assuming that it was the only trap there.And that was his mistake.In fact the facial expression of Arnie when he sees the tree log hanging above the alien's head gives the impression that even Arnie had forgotten about his second trap as well.
Come on nerds,dont try to level down a masterpiece in order to defend this POS of a movie remake.Try to show some fucking respect to a movie classic.even after 20 years geeks will be discussing the original masterpiece.but nobody will give a fuck about Rodriguez's mediocrity. -
the first trap, why would he assume there are no others? And why in fuck would Arnold FORGET he had made a trap? Are you kidding me right now?
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I don't understand, how in this day and age does a movie with adequate budget such as this can come across with some of the lousiest CGI. Note the game-trailer-like artwork we see when the predator's little bird drone flies across the jungle... And the fire that comes from the flame effects when Nikolai blows up a Pred looks like something out of a made-for-tv flick from the 90's.
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to come at him in the trench where his (Arnies) foot was next to the stick to drop the log. Arnie in his best austrian accent:come on, here I am! (That was funny). Anyway, the Predator saw the stick and then the log, looked at Arnie and went around the trap. As Kilik mentioned, it was the forgotten 2d trap that did the predator in.
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It was always a b-movie compared to Alien or Terminator. I'll grant you it was a very entertaining b-movie... but the characters are goofy. Jesse Ventura alone lowers the quality of that movie. His acting is horrific.
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Billy was going to fight the predator in hand-to-hand combat which meant the personal fight with Arnold would be like "been there, done that". Also, I think of three reasons Billy died offscreen: cut movie time, budget and allow the viewer to visualize their idea of how Billy died. Sort of like Ben Gardner in Jaws.
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He's a man of few words... but those few words mean a lot. I asked him, "What did you think about the film?" His reply, "Not much to it."
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because he already discovered one trap in that confined place and it was apparent that there could be no more traps on the ground in such a confined place.thats why he started approaching him without a second hesitation.but he didnt think that there could be traps on the air triggered from the same place.thats called mistake by deceit not numbness.
which gives a taste of irony in Dilon's remarks about Dutch thinking that his boyscout tricks would save them.and also it gives irony from the fact that the Predator met its death from a tree on the air,just like he was using trees and attacking from the air to kill his preys.which makes the script as a well thought,well crafted piece of art.no? -
The first scene in the choppa has more character development than the entire print of PREDS. Blaine and his chew/music, Hawkins cracking lame jokes trying to make Billy smile, etc. One of the best army-buddy scenes ever.
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I think? Hahahaha.
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Jul 10, 2010 3:35:57 PM CDT
Brody's nose had more character than the entire cast in the movi
by killik
and it is the only 3D effect that you dont need 3D glasses to see it in the big screen.ha.
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Sorry, that song just came into my head. Can't believe it took me over 20 years to come up with that lame joke. Hmmm, maybe Leno hiring..
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I didn't see it that way, but you've actually improved the movie for me. I still don't care for Jesse Ventura and most of Arnold's team though. I actually preferred much of the cast of Predators due to the fact that they seemed a bit more natural and real (they're still ridiculous, but less so). That's just my personal preference though. I've always found the cast of the first movie extremely goofy, which is why I prefer Alien or Terminator.
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thats a personal matter.but one thing is for sure: Arnie was born to play Dutch.period.
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Predator 2 would've been a very different movie had he signed on.
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Why not?!?!? Is it too far fetched for todays audience or something? Or are we saying we are past one big hulking hero guy to save the day? I dont see why it wouldnt hold up today at all.....i mean AT ALL. We still have aliens in movies dont we?!?!?
And as for Predators, does anyone else think that having 3 predators totally takes away the tension and gravitas away from the bad guys? 1 was hard enough to kill back in Predator, now 3? Seems unfair, and felt like at any given point they can just say 'balls to this, im bored, lets kill em all now and walk them dog things we have'. I know someones gonna say something about Aliens but that was different, that was like all out face to face war.....theres just something i didnt like about 3 of them. Its like having 3 Hans Grubers (PLEASE dont say 'no its like having sidekicks, that one with the big jaw was the baddie! coz i still think just 1 was more effective). Liking the Brody 3D nose comment....any comments on his voice from anyone? Bit Christian Bale-y or what? -
She said 'Gee, you've got a big hooter. Gee, you've got a big hooter.' Brody said 'why'd you say that twice?' She said 'I didn't'. It was because of the echo (up his nostrils).What; not funny? Fuck you all!!
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She said 'Gee, you've got a big hooter. Gee, you've got a big hooter.' Brody said 'why'd you say that twice?' She said 'I didn't'. It was because of the echo (up his nostrils).What; not funny? Fuck you all!!
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Jul 10, 2010 4:06:30 PM CDT
Damn, accidental double post coincidentally 'mirrors' the joke!
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Somebody up there likes me!
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But I just can't. Nothing is sacred on the internet. There are people here who hate Jaws. As for Predator, even in 1987, it was not as well received as people seem to think it was. Critics blasted it for being "slow". (see the wikipedia entry for actual quotes).
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I don't think it took anything away from it... because in order to kill those first two preds, it cost the lives of the characters that did it. And Brody would've gone down too, if not for the chick's intervention. The predators seemed very formidable to me.
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C'mon, that was gold.
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Not enough gratuitous nudity and gore. Piranha is a better film.
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totally agree with your rant about todays blockbusters simply not being good enough .... in the last 10 years or so ive been very dissapointed by loads of movies,particularly summer tent pole movies, it just seems that todays movies are not as smart or as well crafted as they were in previous decades. films such as Die Hard 4, Catwoman, G I Joe, Mummy returns, Mummy tomb of the dragon emperor, Surrogates, A nightmare on elm street, Transformers 2, The Island, Catwoman, Ghost Rider, Indiana Jones and the crystal of the boring skull, The Star wars Prequels, The Wicker Man, I could go on and on, and you see my point, films are just not what they used to be (with some exceptions of course) and thats a damn shame and i hope it changes. I think CGI has definately effected the quality of movies today, often overused and overused badly, neglecting the characters and story, plus it seems nowadays that the studios are looking for a big weekend hit, a big opening weekend, rather than longevity, a slow burner, like The Sixth Sense for example, a sleeper hit. even the matrix crept up on us. its like so many critics say, we have a new burger of the week, sometimes its good but more often it leaves you feeling bloated.
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Jul 10, 2010 4:50:31 PM CDT
"Thanks to your posts I won't lose 106 minutes of my life."
by takingscorpioscalls
I love these statments. Really leo54304 what else can you be doing that's so beneath your life, no different from wasting the planet's air, space and nutrients in a theater than where you usually are. At least now there's comfy seats!
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.... adding to its profit. if we simply stopped going to these types of movies then maybe they would stop making them. the problem with that is that we wont know if its good or bad until we go see it. there are good films out there, its just that the bad feels like its outweighing the good, especially this year. ive heard nothing but good things about Splice, so here's hoping that an adrien brody sci fi horror can be great. he's in it in case you didnt know.
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Brody...was such a bad casting choice.
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sometimes even comfy seats can't cushion the probality of this movie failing me. I have a lot of respect for you guys and the opinions today were pretty much don't see it. So even comfy seats can't lure me into the theatre for predators. Maybe if Georgia Jones would be my date I would. Georgia Jones is a professional dancer with her own website. Check it out, won't be disappointed.
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ill cheack her out, when my GF is out!
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I went to see Iron Man 2 and I lost circulation in my legs.
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the galaxys fattest women: Ophrah, Kirstie Alley, Rosanne, Rosie O'Donnell and Sally Struthers
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its the audience, their disdain at what they are watching can be felt in the air. it happens alot these days.
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1.) Adrien Brody's character starts off the movie, but gets blown to bits 1/4 into the movie...
2.) ...to make way for The Rock, Randy Couture, and Vin Diesel, who are not strangers but part of the same assault team, dropped into that jungle, and joining Isabelle.
3.) The three rookie alien hunters from Predators were dishonored and disgraced, so here comes a solo Alpha Hunter to take care of business...larger, stronger, faster, smarter, with super hunting techniques.
4.) No side changes. The good guys are the good guys and the bad guys are the bad guys. No human/alien teamups and no random evil turns like Topher Grace. Straight-up human warriors versus alien warriors.
5.) LOTS of hunting. The alien hunter stalks and takes out humans one by one, using tricks, traps, and pure firepower, like a super Rambo. The humans, the prey, use their training and do what they can to try to outsmart the hunter, but when they are ousted they flee like panicing zebras.
6.) The alien hunter kills are very animalistic and brutal, like a lion tearing at a live zebra. Trophies are shown taken and displayed.
7.) However, the alien's code of honor is maintained. It will not attack a defenseless or lightly defended person. It will not shoot at man who only has a knife. When challenged, it will confront face-to-face.
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back in the 70s, Genre films weren't afraid to have a leisurely pacing in the first act. The Exorcist. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Jaws. Even Star Wars.
Ten years after Star Wars, an unproven theater director was in Mexico with Arnold Schwareneggar making Commando-meets-Aliens, and there was already pressure at that point to have top 40 music on the soundtrack and make something something easily marketable, but John McTiernan and Joel Silver recognized that the impact of the characters' deaths would be more powerful if more of the film were spent establishing character, in even the broadest and most juvenile exchanges.
"Bunch of slack-jawed faggots round here! This stuff will make you into a goddamn sexual tyranasaur, just like me."
And so it was that Predator is easily one of the best mainstream films of the 80s, and if you were of the right age you probably spent a great deal of your outdoor playtime setting traps and making explosive arrows out of errant 40mm grenades.
22 years later, How are we going to make Predators stand out? We need to shake the camera. the cast has to skew younger. Maybe the Predators can be invading earth, so we can "raise the stakes."
Rodriguez had the sense to eschew any of that, and to work with a director who agreed and created something that is perhaps more slavishly devoted to the aesthetic of the original than even Rodriguez would have done.
We are all very, very lucky to have something as cool as Predators. Thank you, Nimrod Atal. Predator 2 is just paced horribly, and is a textbook example of bad sequel high conceptness, as fond of some of the grizzly violence as I was as a kid.
Alien Vs Predator made me seriously consider giving up filmmaking for all time. I remember staring at the exit signs at the emergency doors to avoid looking at the screen. Alien Vs Predator Requiem was, I feared, rock bottom. I pictured Predator in a shabby north hollywood motel room in a dingy bathrobe doing line after line of coke while the alien struggled in rehab. Predators is the turn-it-around 3rd act of the Predator: E! True Hollywood Story. -
are you fuckin serious?
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are you fuckin serious?
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I was SO hoping the chick was gonna say something like that.
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Definitely the best since the first one, but nowhere near as cool as.
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Jul 10, 2010 6:19:56 PM CDT
The only... ONLY reason people are bashing this movie...
by rongorongomu
... is because they have venerated the original with such rose-tinted lenses that nothing could POSSIBLY measure up to it. This is a damn fine sci-fi/horror movie, but no one in this cesspool of a talkback will acknowledge that because they have been fanwanking to the original for 23 years. It's telling that people are now actually praising Predator 2 as the decent follow-up film that it was, because they are desperate to find evidence to bash this movie. It's the natural geek cynicism that typifies talkbacks. When the next film comes out, you'll all be saying, "Predators was a decent successor to the original, but this movie is bullshit." So transparent.
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Thank you.
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A worse, beat-for-beat remake of the original without the energy or passion. 4/10 severed Stans heads...
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Dutch killed the Predator in a moment of opportunity--the Predator happened to be under the counterweight for the actual trap and Dutch dropped it on him. I don't believe it was a second trap.
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Capone. Check out the other talkback, and you'll see what I mean.
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I'm down with that.
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You're obviously a loud mouth moron, for a start your every assumption is completely wrong about my tastes. It's a big world out there..who gives a shit if its not perceived they way you in your parents basement thinks it is.
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from someone who talks like a shit freshly scooped out of the bowl, I'll take any insult from you as a compliment. Go fuck yourself you flaming yeti excrement. You're a capslock halfwit.
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When Rodriguez first wrote this back in the day, the Fishburne character was supposed to be Dutch, but Schwarzenegger, to his credit, told him to get lost, so the project languished.
Unfortunately, I saw this today and it was really, really bad, and not in a fun bad way, but in a put you to sleep way. It was boring as fuck. And nothing made any sense. Especially the end with the new recruits parachuting down. So I guess a season only lasts a day? Was Fishburne there only a couple of weeks? That was the least of the film's problems, but it is fitting that it stood out, cause the rest of the film is so damn forgettable that all I could even remember was the very end. How much better would it have been had there only been two humans and the rest of the hunted were aliens from different planets? Eh, who am I kidding, it still would have stunk cause they seem incapable of making a good Predator film anymore. Predator 2 kinda stunk back in the day, but after the AvP movies and now this, it looks like a fucking Oscar winner in comparison. -
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I don't know who I hate more, the forehead girl from Lowes or the coffee guy from McDonalds.
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Except for the utter cynical predictability of the order in which the characters were killed. One could write a fascinating sociological study of what the order in which characters die in action and horror films says about perceived social value.
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So...the Mexican dies first (MAN, that's cynical of Rodriguez! He knows his audience!) Followed by the African black, then the American black, and THEN the white rapist/murderer...then the Asian. Then the other white guy is revealed as a serial killer, so HE has to die. Leaving a breeding pair: a Latina female and a white male. Really, really interesting pattern, folks... -
Totally agree with you on the sociological study here...
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Who cares.
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I know the sniper references Guatemala and speaks with a Spanish accent, but didn't she admit to being in the IDF?
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And I will end the Predator 2 vs. Predators debate. The great movie known as PREDATOR has spawned 4 shitty sequels that aren't worth your time. Robert Rodriguez has failed to deliver on his promise.
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We've been had
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You might be super-right! Missed that. My bad.
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I think it's well known that Robert Rodriguez is friends (at least in a speaking capacity) with Harry (this site) and Drew (Hitfix). And while Predators isn't the shitfest that some on this TB are making it. I don't think it's a stretch to say the reviews on this site and on Hitfix are kinder than they would be if the friendship wasn't there. At best, this movie is above average C+ range. But if all you did was read the reviews and then tell other people how good this movie was, you'd look like an asshole.
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Pretty sure Predator 2 came out in July 1990. That means in 20 years AVP is the best movie with a Predator in it.
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I have the taste to prefer Alien 3 over AVP...
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After the Predator blows up the ship, he is only like 20 yards away from camp, since Fishburne said the ship was 30 yards away. How the fuck does Brody have all that time to go get those two out of the pit, stab the doctor, booby trap him, and prepare the camp for the Predator's return? Did the Predator go take a leak or something?
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So no.
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Or at least supposed to be, but then they go and name her Isabella or some stupid shit. Yeah, lots of Jews named Isabella...
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…Ridley makes a couple of great Alien flicks.
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I went in with the lowest of expectations, my girlfriend and I were at the mall, and on a whim went to the theater... "Oh, a new Predators movie." and my girlfriend really wanted to watch it... me, not so much...
started off pretty slow.. and then I really started to like it, and the moment they all realize they're on another planet.. i was like "This movie is fucking awesome. Maybe I was wrong." and for the most part I was loving it... UNTIL...they all bunkered down in Fishbournes hide-out. Thats when the film nosedived. Its like they forgot how to make a Predator movie. Keep it simple. They set up the story pretty nicely, and thats all they needed, they didn't need any other bullshit plotlines/story. People find themselves up against the Predators for whatever reason, try to survive, 99% of the characters die, and die epic-style, the lead character uses ingenuity to kill said Predators in a bad ass way. The End.
It didn't need to sidetrack into where Fishburnes character went... and yeah we were waiting for Topher Grace's character to finally expose why he really was on the planet.. but that? Also agree with the complaints about the way the Japanese guy died. Badly choreographed, no tension, badly shot.. the overhead shot was good, but you couldn't tell what was happeneing.. the scene played out with zero tension/action. ALSO WTF WOULD A PREDATOR GET INTO A SWORD FIGHT WITH THIS DOUCHE ANYWAY. WOULDNT HE TRY TO BLOW HIS FCKING HEAD OFF? him standing his ground with only a sword and putting up a decent fight, would have sufficed. so fucking disapointing, because even now, I know how bad this is, and believe me, the 2nd half is BAD. I really want to love it. I want to know how they fucked this up so colossally.
I'm really disappointed because it was a decent movie up until Fishburne tries to kill them..
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on the planet surviving all alone against the Predators and Cowboy Curtis gets killed by a Predator he knows as "big dog" while trying to smoke the rest to death was a bit silly.
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for the same reason the first one went fist to fist with Dutch. Honor.
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hopefully it does well so we can get a sequel and they can improve upon it.
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but maybe we'll get an Empire Strikes Back or Godfather 2 out of Rodriguez. Predators had so much potential as does a sequel.
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read all the negative comments, the constructive ones, and learn your lesson... MAKE ANOTHER ONE. I think the negative comments on here are spot on for the most part... But I did enjoy oscar winning actor Adrien Brody as the lead. thought he was sufficiently bad ass in this. fuck, im getting upset again thinking of the wasted potential..
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My kids thought it was pretty good, but I felt it was rather empty. While it wasn't as awful as AVP:R, I still thought the characters from Predator 2 were more interesting (cliches and all) than the cast of this film. I also agree that the Y akuza fight was much less than previews let on
Some of the CGI was pretty awful (especially the flames from the grenade explosion.) Having seen the preview of Expendables with REAL explosions, you have to wonder why they chose to go with really bad, fake CGI instead.
It's not an awful film, but I'm really surprised Rodriguez is getting so many props from the fanboys. His script was slow, lazy, and riddled with poor dialogue and the action sequences lacked suspense. Frankly, if a sequel comes along, I'd hope that they'd get a real writer with real talent. Rodriguez is better behind the camera, not behind a pen. -
BOY do the Predator films need Kevin Peter Hall, may he rest in peace. That man had real fluidity where the guys in the rubber suits in Predators move like a drunken longshoreman. Really sloppy stunts and choreography, imho.
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Good question. You'd think that after the ship blew up the remaining Pred would return back to the site. But after all, this is the same movie where Morpheus is 250lbs after surviving 10 seasons on a hostile planet... it's better not to ask any questions and just forget about it.
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Survivors will be brought back to the Predator home world. They will either live out their lives fighting predators or they will be attached to clans, learn their ways and hunt alongside the until they come across helpless humans that will require the human predator's help.
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He started immediately on his plan to save his friends and set the traps needed.
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Watching showtime next "Private Lessons" with Sylvia Kristel from '81. Lets see trip down memory lane with Sylvia in her prime or a new predator movie that has a lot of people pissed. Oh yeah, Sylvia breaking in a underage kid to Air Supplys "Lost in love". Cheesy sex never looked so good or goofy. Ahh the 80s teen sex flicks.
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How on Earth do the Predators think he is a worthy warrior opponent? Fucking hilarious. I don't care how diabolical or "evil" he is, he'd get destroyed in 2 minutes.
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Were they owned by the smaller preds and hunted and skinned by the larger ones? Would have like two minutes of background explaining the two races.
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This resurrected the spirit of the original, didn't break mythology, and still managed to add new things. No, it wasn't a perfect film. It played it safe. But it was fucking awesome compared to the rest of the shit that the franchise has brought us.
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Anyone who claims Predators is superior to the fun and exciting Predator 2 needs to get their brain realighned.
This film barely has a pulse. The characters were bland, lacking the colorful personalities of the characthers from the previous two films. The suspense was non-existant. And the predators seemed neither cunning nor dangerous.
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In his performance as Harrigan, Glover showed an abundance of bravado and personality. He was tough and cool under fire, while not being a juggernaught power-house like Arnold.
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if tried to "Arnold" the role it would have turned out to be shit. Instead he did it his own way, sweaty, goofy, a lot of fun and some serious moments when needed. P2 was good because it gave the original enough attention while adding in a lot of pure comedy. It didn't take itself too seriously, trying to be "dark" or "sophisticated" like Predators.
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Seagal has the acting range of a turnip and though I love Van Damme, he could not play the tough everyman, which was what Glover brought to Harrigan. Glover was ace in Predator 2, whether you can admit it or not.
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It wasn't the original, and I do wish it had a little something extra, but it was solid. The samurai showdown bordered on cheesy, but it was probably my favorite part.
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Jul 11, 2010 12:31:15 AM CDT
Danny Glover has a "dad" vibe to him. A family man vibe.
by gibsonusa returns
So when you watch him, it's not like watching Arnold and his team tearing it up. It's more like watching your friend's dad try to fight an alien lol.
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and I enjoyed it very much. This really did feel like the genuine sequel to Predator, I never liked Predator 2 and thought the whole 'urban jungle' angle was lame. This was done how it should be done. Laurence Fistburn's cameo was lame but the rest was cool and very nostalgic.
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Great? No, but damn close. It relied to heavily on the originals structure, but hey, if it ain't broke, why fix it? Well, they did fix that one problem I had with the original. You know, that one scene where Billy is about to have that epic one to one fight on that log bridge and they cut away!? I'm glad they didn't cut away this time, it was a pretty cool scene. I pre-judged this film before seeing it in a previous talkback, I was so wrong and will try not to do that again. I really dug it, it is a solid Predator film and sequel. My cudos to Antal and Rodriguez and the cast. If there isn't another Predator movie made again (yeah right!) I'm glad it went out on a high note.
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Better than the AVP movies. I thought it had it's moments and I never really cringed at anything. It was okay.
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KilliK, you're right on. Awesome line! Captured just how gutsy Harrigan was.
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Jul 11, 2010 1:38:01 AM CDT
I'm not sure how this movie fits in. AVP even fits in for me.
by gibsonusa returns
This is how I've always thought it went with regards to the alien hunters:
PART 1 & 2:
Alien hunter lands in the jungle (and Los Angeles) to prove its worth to its race. When it defeats a worthy opponent, it takes a trophy. The hunter that fought Arnold was put there to collect such trophies against human warriors.
AVP:
This is the second phase of alien hunter training/proof of worth. Those alien hunters that proved themselves against human warriors (or other prey), are now placed into the chamber with the Aliens, a much more powerful opponent.
AVP2:
This one has nothing to do with anything. Aliens are spilled onto the planet accidentally, and one of the hunters (of unknown rank) lands on a cleanup mission.
Now this is where Predators confuses me a bit. How does this space forest game reserve fit into the picture? What is the ranking of those three alien hunters? Why did that one alien hunter rip out the white prisoner guy's spine when he clearly wasnt a worthy opponent? (He did trick the hunter with the protective vest, but thats it.) Why did an alien hunter stab a defenseless unarmed man (Topher Grace) in the back?
Why would the alien hunters have a game reserve? Wouldnt it be better to stalk the prey on its own turf? Why would the alien hunters want "home field advantage"? Also, will the alien hunters kidnap prey from other planets too? Will there be a bunch of alien races fighting together like Star Wars or something?
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Predators only acknowledges that Predator took place, and that film only. It ignores Predator 2 and AVP and AVP Requiem and also the Alien films.
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I dont care what anybody else says. Im a film buff and this was a fresh sequel that lived up to expectations. when i saw it to a packed theater shit loads of people actually CLAPPED at the end. lots of people liked this movie. god forbid the movie doesnt have an oak tree as the lead actor in every sequel. go watch XXX with vin diesal
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I love Predator as much as the next guy, but a masterpiece? Fuck that. Its a wonderfully cheesy, awesomely over the top creature feature with a damn cool monster. Sure, the monster is iconic, but the film itself is a far cry from being a masterpiece. I think I see the problem now. Everyone has elevated the original to this godly status as the one of the finest films ever, when it really isnt. Its cool as hell, but its no masterpiece. Just take off the fuckin rose-colored glasses for a bit.
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But only a fool would put it shoulder to shoulder with Citizen Kane or 2001.
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Saw it today. Why do they feel like they must constantly trivialize the Predators?! In AVP they're over-matched heroes, in AVP2 there's the Predalien and in this there's the "Super Predator." So basically, the Predators of 1 and 2 were just kind of the runts of the litter, or a lesser race? Come the fuck on. How come the original Predator towered over Arnold, but was the same size as Adrian Brody?
Just make a fucking Predator movie where the Predator is awesome and stop trying to overthink it.
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Saw it today. Why do they feel like they must constantly trivialize the Predators?! In AVP they're over-matched heroes, in AVP2 there's the Predalien and in this there's the "Super Predator." So basically, the Predators of 1 and 2 were just kind of the runts of the litter, or a lesser race? Come the fuck on. How come the original Predator towered over Arnold, but was the same size as Adrian Brody?
Just make a fucking Predator movie where the Predator is awesome and stop trying to overthink it.
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SUSPENSE.
Predator might have badass characters and an uber cool alien,great lines and gruesome killings but what really makes this movie so classic is that it manages to create a very suspenseful atmosphere,exactly like what Scott did with the Alien.
McTiernan really did a great job here and imho this work is even better than his Die Hard.you have a group of the most hardcore soldiers in the world,they are in a jungle their battleground which have been trained for and suddenly something unknown starts killing them one by one.this unknown killer is way above their game,and these badasses suddenly start to fear for their lives.and all that happens while nobody,even you the audience,dont know what exactly this unknown killer not until the very end of the film.you dont see him not even he kills these characters apart from some glimpses.but still the movie manages,like his lead characters, to hold you there in your seat,getting anxious about how things will develop,what is this killer,who will be saved and how are they going to defeat it.
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should have their stubby little fuckwit hands chopped off.
I once had the displeasure of watching a movie in California. Some guy behind me, spent the entire movie saying stuff like "Damn right". I think at one point he even said "BOOOOM!". What a tit.
Not just him though. There were numerous similar pearls of wisdom spilling out from the audience. I just wanted to watch a movie in silence. It's nice to hear what the actors are saying.
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My "Damn right" comment isn't a dig at heading in your post. It's a true story. Unfortunately. I just wrote it, then pressed send & your post was there. Pure co-incidence. Not that it's important, but anyway..
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What movie did you see that had people talking to the screen and clapping?
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is like if you made a Friday the 13th movie and midway through said "Oh, there's another killer who stalks Crystal Lake and he's like 100X worse than Jason!" It's pointless, show us what we're there to see!
Also, I totally agree with comments about how easily the Predators are killed. ONE Predator took out the most badass group of seasoned commandos on the planet, and basically died after having giant trees smash into it, and then only really dying when it sets off its own nuclear device. Another solo predator basically kills the entire LAPD. But a bunch of terrified soldiers that have spent no time together are each able to pick one off, with swords and knives and their fists, really.. and these were the "Super Predators?"
I also am fucking sick of "ZOMG SWORDS R DA BEST WEAPON!" The reason we don't use swords anymore is because the minute someone has a gun, a sword is useless... and it infuriates me to see one take out a Predator (again, a SUPER PREDATOR). Why the hell would a Predator, which has stalked an unarmed man (Topher) the entire movie, suddenly decide it would have a fair fight with the Yakuza guy? If I'm hunting a deer, I'm not gonna put my gun away to fight the thing with my bare hands. The REAL Predator would have blown a hole through his chest the minute he took out his sword.
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is like if you made a Friday the 13th movie and midway through said "Oh, there's another killer who stalks Crystal Lake and he's like 100X worse than Jason!" It's pointless, show us what we're there to see!
Also, I totally agree with comments about how easily the Predators are killed. ONE Predator took out the most badass group of seasoned commandos on the planet, and basically died after having giant trees smash into it, and then only really dying when it sets off its own nuclear device. Another solo predator basically kills the entire LAPD. But a bunch of terrified soldiers that have spent no time together are each able to pick one off, with swords and knives and their fists, really.. and these were the "Super Predators?"
I also am fucking sick of "ZOMG SWORDS R DA BEST WEAPON!" The reason we don't use swords anymore is because the minute someone has a gun, a sword is useless... and it infuriates me to see one take out a Predator (again, a SUPER PREDATOR). Why the hell would a Predator, which has stalked an unarmed man (Topher) the entire movie, suddenly decide it would have a fair fight with the Yakuza guy? If I'm hunting a deer, I'm not gonna put my gun away to fight the thing with my bare hands. The REAL Predator would have blown a hole through his chest the minute he took out his sword.
Also, why the hell would they even need a game preserve? If they wanted a bunch of humans to hunt, there's a place with a few billion of them they can go. -
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It's much worse than the worst review here...you have to question the sanity of anyone who says they enjoyed it..its utterly and completely bereft of even the tiniest fraction of suspense, the writing is almost non-existent...and worst of all it FEELS LOW BUDGET. The music is a note for note duplication of the original, but ham fistedly used EVERYWHERE. None of the cast is really BAD, they just have no interesting quirks...they're boring. Everyone is dispatched kinda boringly. The audience seemed utterly numbed and bored. RR needs to hand his producing card back in.
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please go choke on yo mamma's cock. You pointless tool. My opinions are my own, you are nothing but a shit stain on a board.
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How does it feel when your best buddy lays a giant turkey?.
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the opening kinda defines the whole film...it just feels like shit thrown in, there's no development of any of the characters..nothing interesting is said. They even fucking REPEAT the plot from Predator for retards born yesterday.
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it makes sense, to patch them up if they are wounded. even SEALS and Spec OPS teams have a Medic. I know I was one. With EOD. I thought the movie wasgood. It looks like the first movie and Brody made a good badass. HE got bulked up for the role because soldiers dont look like scrawny Emo boys. I hope if they do a sequel that Arnie gets in there somewhere. it would be cool if they found an old soldier who had been grabbed during Nam, and have survived all those years. Think Bruce Willis! or Stephen Lange!
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I didn't find the flick half as impressive as massa did. What can you say about a movie that's cut and paste from the original. Sure, it's a love letter to the first flick but fuckin-a . . . did they have to repeat 40% of the damned script?! That just showed a lack of originality to me. When the new wears off of this it's going to end up in everyones Pred Movie List just above AVP-R. Nuff said!
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Yet one more good thing about AVP: At least the stupid fucking predalien doesn't show up until the end. I've HATED the predalien concept ever since the comics and AVP2 (the game) where it first showed up.
And now some idiot will chime in about how the Aliens merge DNA with the egg host. Yeah, but they overdid it by giving the offspring a predator face... the alien skull is much scarier than the predator face, which often looks comical to me.
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So it can't be considered a masterpiece. BUT, as a rip off, it managed to somehow carve out it's own niche. Plus it's really funny, over-the-top, and has great / retarded / hilarious / coke n' steroids fueled tough guy dialogue. PREDATORS was entertaining, but as a reboot of a rip-off, it had little hope of being much more than mediocre.
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..there wasnt a single gasp or jump this entire film. Full house, and it was like someone dropped a fart and everyone was glad they finally got to leave.
The CGI pred-dogs = lame and suffering from the classic 'just stick another thousand teeth on that' / bad cloverfield design shit.
The film starts off hopefully. Yes Brody is doing a Christian Bale Batman voice..its noticeable but not quite as ridiculous.
There's not a shred of tension, the Predators just seem to walk on and off...
There's zero character development, we only know these are badasses coz they TELL US they come from BADASS places, but there's no particular skills on show, much less any quirks or humor that would get us on their side. They aint even cool bad guys.
You would genuinely have to be born yesterday to think this is a pimple on the ass of Predator 2, which WISELY moved LOCATIONS and CHARACTERS...putting the hunting theme in a FRESH set of circumstances. Predators falls right into the trap of being a very poor rehash of the first film. -
Ooooh, the mystical "other"! (Hipshot touched on this earlier, but I'm sorta shocked at all the typical stereotypes on display and the kill-order in the movie. I thought Rodriguez would be cooler than this... I mean, killing Danny Trejo first? And essentially off-screen? Felt like a movie written and directed by white guys who didn't mean any harm, but didn't know better either.)
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I'll happily debate the positive and worthy stuff in Alien Resurrection if you can stop talking like a 4 yr old took a shit in your mouth. I like the film, flawed as hell, but it beats the shit out of Predators.
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pants and credibility blown...Predator a ripoff of Aliens? Youre fuckin high or just plain stupid.
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Not as bad as either AvP, but not very good either. Neither of them were very good, but I definitely liked Predators more than Alien Resurrection. The whole Clone Ripley Saga angle was stupid, and all that stuff with Baby Alien was UNBELIEVABLY RETARDED. I LOVED the way he died, though, that was gruesome.
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Please explain to me how Predators WASN'T a blatant rip off of Aliens? Cause it was in a Jungle? Jackass. It's the SAME fucking plot. Even right down to there being a Corrupt Company Man (Apollo Creed) with Secret Motives, and a hapless, nearly feral survivor (the chick they save). Of course, it's not *exactly* the same, but it's pretty fucking close. The fact that you can't see this means you either have NO critical discernment whatsoever, are very young, or just really, REALLY stupid.
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Jul 11, 2010 8:30:48 AM CDT
How could i take offense at 'opinions' of strangers...so listen
by quantize
I've said repeatedly Ripley hybrid is ridiculous and stupid...read from the top. Either way, i love AR, the Ripley clone thing was fuckin great..the 'aborted horrors' scene, GET THE FUCK WITH IT...this is an Alien film done by a mad french bastard...what the FUCK would you EXPECT from an ALien film created by the City of Lost Children director? the film itself is A FREAK. It's a crazy ass fresh take on a franchise that was struggling.There's numerous fantastic scenes (underwater) and plenty of tension to go around..plus fucked up characters. It's infinitely more suspensful than the mess of Alien 3 which of course wasnt his fault, but that is a hell of a snoozefest..
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Another way in which Predators is a rip off of Aliens.
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Is you are a dumbfuck who thinks they are bright. You see purple and orange and say they're the same because they share a common primary color. You have your plot devices and characters confused with ACTUAL PLOT you fucking knob.
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You are hilarious. I love you berated that Lowes Girl for talking like "a 4 year old took a shit in your mouth" and then DO THE EXACT SAME THING! What are you, in 5th grade? Why am I even having this conversation? AR was TERRIBLE, and if you tacked-on some meta-fiction post-modern meaning to it ("the film itself is a FREAK" *snicker* Really?), that's sort of your own damage. Take off the Browncoat and look at it objectively... or hell, LOVE it subjectively and don't pretend to have some sad intellectual high ground because of it, because it just makes you look silly and more than a little pathetic.
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= GENERIC, you could apply that to LITERALLY hundreds of films you fucking TOOL>
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nice work lasertits.
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Thanks, Quanitze! Let me know when you graduate from elementary school, you moronical, pusillanimous twit. But, seriously, go ahead and ask anyone if they think Predator was a rip-off of Aliens and see what they say. Not you're mom, cause I know she'll agree with you, but other people, peers, or even adults in the biz, if Predator was a re-tread of Aliens. Go ahead. When they disagree with you, please feel free to fall down and cry, gnash thine teeth, and kick your legs whilst crying for mommy.
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glass houses asshole. Intellectual? i simply listed some stuff i liked about a film. And you;re on your high horse because OH NO, LASERTITS DOESNT LIKE IT. Listen, get mummy to put you to bed with some milk and cookies. You are still master of your little universe. Now post some more CLEVER stuff...you know..'meta' etc because you are the REAL purveyor of taste. OK listen you're just another cunt on a website with an asshole like me. Grow the fuck up. get off your horse. Nobody gives a shit. Night.
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Let's forget the fact that Forbidden Planet was made something like 30 years before Predator came out, thereby revealing your insane jackassery.ALIENS was a Vietnam metaphor about a bunch of arrogant guys going to fight a primitive, entrenched force and getting their ass kicked. It totally plugs into post-Vietnam angst and plays it to the hilt. Predator does EXACTLY THE SAME THING, but transfers it to South America (very zeitgeist as it plugged into the US foreign policy in El Salvador, Guatemala, and elsewhere in South America). It's virtually the EXACT SAME PLOT, with minor surface differences like location. You can keep the curtain pulled over your eyes and refuse to see it, but you'd still be wrong. Keep screaming at the wall until mom brings you some pizza or something. In the end it will all be okay. I promise.
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you fucking ignoramus, can you even READ?
Cool as here, i think the little hissy fit is all there in your basement. Try breathing. I know it hurts to be wrong. -
there are other realities, i know that comes as a shock to you in your little Laserworld.
Yes Predator and Alien are movies about monsters...ooh theres even a couple of other similarities..uh oh, but theres literally hundreds of OTHER films made before and after with the same shit. oh dear. big idea BLOWN. you fuckin jerk, own it. -
Maybe in your mom's basement it is. Seriously, dude, how old are you? I love how you keep backing away, though, aren't really offering any kind of counter arguments, just cursing and scatalogical references. You lost, man, and you're wrong, and please feel free to ask anyone else what they think and they'll tell you the same.
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I have a life, so I'll be back to kick your skanky pompous arse tomorrow. Don't forget to turn the basement light off when you've finished jerking off into the mirror at the genius of your FILM 101 insights.
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You're not really sure what it means, do you? Look it up. You may not have touched on it in middle school yet. Either way, I never said that fighting monsters is what made Predator a rip off of Aliens. Nice try though!
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in parthenogenesis in Art.heh.
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Aww, go ask mommy for a hug, she'll make it ALL better. She's right upstairs, right? There, there, little one, I'm sure mommy will love you no matter how fat and stupid you are. Run along now, run along!
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people in boats...shit goes wrong. Really what kind of pompous asshole points out the fucking obvious but ignores the rest that makes two films so completely different. The mercenaries are NOT the lead characters in Aliens..thats just a small fucking HINT how mistaken you can be...just look at the result. The films are completely different...so what possible purpose could there be to suggesting they;re 'the same'. This is the self congratulatory raving of someone who sees generic shit in two films and dubs them 'the same'. Lotta films are 'the same' based on such loose shit as 'go to kick alien ass, ass gets kicked'. Thats the kind of bufoonish simplification that misses the differences that make each a worthy film.
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I don't follow. OH, you mean that no art is completely original? That all art is inspired by other works of art? None of it emerges from a vaccum? Okay, that's valid... and it applies IN NO WAY AT ALL to a Hollywood Blockbuster star-vehicle movie that came out one year later and CLEARLY was an attempt to expand on a bankable idea. I mean, really now, KilliK.
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...plus i would never give in to a wanker like you. I'll be back, but like i said.. i have a life. You really are stuck in a basement with lots of time to show the world how SMART laserboy is...and oh you are. We so proud.
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please go back to school and read up on each films development idiot.
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What was that about not giving a shit? Keep digging that hole!
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A sad one, clearly. There, there. Poor wickle quanitize! Call to mommy for succor! So, are you ready for 6th grade next year? I wish you the best of luck!
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a pillow would be too easy. So let's just use logic. Your insinuation is that Predator was a repeat of Aliens..a 'copy' of the same premise. If you check the production and release dates, you will of course see that is completely impossible - That one is the steam off the other's piss and 'wasn't bad'. We'll your wrong. You get NO POINTS for picking a couple of generic plot devices used in literally hundreds of films and claiming they're 'the same film'.
Ok so you are a delusional fool of epic and pompous sadness. I win, long after you limp crab claws turn the light in the basement off. You're mentally dead. Try harder in future.
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i thought you were talking about Predator ripping off Aliens in an artistic level,but you were talking about why a mainstream Hollywood is usually being made.which is ofc about earning money following usually the current trend.yeah thats a big revelation.
so no point discussing why Predator is not a ripoff since you are talking about an entirely different matter which is at least ridiculous to even comment at.but dont let this let you down,please do continue your funny discussion with quantize. -
Jul 11, 2010 10:45:57 AM CDT
Funniest part: "If I get home, I'm gonna do a ton of cocaine!"
by yackbacker
(Audience laughs heartily) "And I'm gonna rape me some bitches" (Audience confused, about 1/4 of them laugh uncomfortably, and then realize their shame).
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Just watched Predators. Jesus what a disappointment, especially after the terrific trailer.
Say what you will about Predator 2, at least the characters resonated and you gave a fuck about Glover, Blades and Busey. These characters did not, despite Brody et al's best job. Script was weak. Direction was banal. The fucking homages, QUIT IT! Fishburne was horrendously miscast. This should have been a Seven Samurai meets tons of Predators balls-to-the-wall 80's throwback. Instead this inert, underwhelming movie gets coughed out. So disappointing. Trailers getting better, movies are not.
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Ever since his mouth-rape of Halle Berry (and notice how people were more offended by Kanye's verbal dissing of Taylor Swift than Brody's actual molestation, in front of Berry's husband? Can you even imagine what would have happened had Kanye done THAT?) Anyway...despite my loathing of him, I thought he did a good job. The point wasn't that he was "as tough as a predator" the point is that he was FAST, which means more if you have an edged or explosive weapon. A LOT more. It made perfect sense from that perspective. Movie was a ton of fun, except for the obvious, cliche'd racism of the orders of death.
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I think that this movie would have been improved by at least 20% if it weren't for the digital garbage in it. Are we at a point now where it's cheaper to animate digital roaches instead of, I dunno, putting a roach in front of the camera? Instead of seeing a real bug we are treated to a few of them scuttling away (with way-too-loud-creepy-crawly sound effects, mind you) in a very unrealistic manner, seemingly lit by an entirely different light source.
And Noland's death... why did he have to explode into red, CG vapor when he was killed? Why can't we just have a practical effect for once? Gore ends up looking silly and stupid when it's a friggin' cartoon. The entire industry is turning into Roger Rabbit with this CG bullshit and it's RUINING SPECIAL EFFECTS.
These directors are just eating this crap up and no one likes it. They KNOW no one likes it because every time one of them makes a movie they always go on preemptive damage control to reassure everyone that CGI will be used very sparingly. Then, when the film is released, we are treated to the same digital mess. Every time. It's easier to have something animated do whatever you want it to do than to find creative solutions that work within the limitations of the medium.
Thanks to CGI, film is now limitless and, as a result, presents little reason to get creative or artistic.
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Sure physically she would be outclassed and its stupid as hell. But after seeing her strut her stuff (attitude, mouth, killing ability)in Kick Ass, it'd be fun. Quote after killing a predator: shows over motherfucker
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Couldn't agree more. The cheap CGI in Predators was horribly, horribly obvious. The bugs, the bad explosions, the poorly-animated dogs, the blood (and electrical bug-zapper effects) were all really low-budget. I wonder which FX house they used? After hearing how Rodriguez was going heavy practical effects, I found that only a handful of shots (the predators themselves, the dead spec. forces guy, and the dead dogs) really used practical makeup effects. I'd LOVE to have seen a chest-cavity explosion like the one that gutted Blaine in the original Predator. I'm not a gorehound, but if they do it they REALLY need to do it right. I don't mind CGI blood as long as it's coupled with some honest-to-god latex appliances. Bleh.
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This film was very average indeeed. there was very little action for about 80% of the movie and when it hapopens there are like 2 or 3 predators in the whole film! All that happened we've seen before,the jungle planet wasn't nearly alien enough,nothing to distinguish it from the first film except a couple cg planets in the sky. this looked very cheaply made, even AVP 1 had far more scope than this movie did. Better than AVP 2 but thats about it.
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It's funny,reading the posts heer about 90% hated or at least thought it was very average. Massawyrm seems to be in the minority. Even my mate who's only seen the first Pred flick thought this was garbage. Rodriguez should have directed this himself and had a few more bucks form Fox to do it properly.
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You can almost tell the parts where he stumbled on to the set and was like, 'whoa, whoa, wait, no, do this instead', as there were parts where I was totally hooked into the action. I liked it enough to not hate it, but its not in the same category as I or II.
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Holy shit!! Predator 2 was better than this film, and so was AVP as well. I can't believe I fell for this film. I saw this film, due to your review. Predators was poorly written and the alien world, looked more like it was filmed in Rodriguez's backyard. I thought it was originally going to take place on the Predators homeworld. Don't even get me started on Laurence Fishburn's character. Was that acting or just getting an extra paycheck? Massawyrm you have been smokin them all the time and you need to stop. I am pissed dude!!!
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Jul 11, 2010 1:04:39 PM CDT
100% garbage. Ive seen better movies on the straight to dvd shel
by jackgraham
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both reviews basically praise it, erm, whatever, but for a clearly shitty film there would normally be loads of reviews coming in stating how poor it is, so why is it we have just 2 short reviews, where's harrys review and where's an honest review, not a "bum sucking we are mates with rodriguez so cant diss his films" duo of reviews. this reeks of corruptness. this reeks of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds.
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Damn you Massawyrm you in bed with Rodriguez and those other loser fucks! Now you will say anything to help those guys! What the hell? Predators sucked big time!!! Give me my money back Massawyrm! Now!!!!!! I want it back!!! I am not smoking em, and that is why I can tell a good film from a bad film!!!!
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If Predator ruipped off anything, it ripped off the 1930's film The Most Dangerous Game which was based off a short story from the early 20's. It's basically about a hunter hunting another human, a story where the predator and prey have an intelligence. It's been ripped off tons of times over the years from Predator to a Gilligan's Island episode to Spider-man's Kraven the Hunter to the Van Damme movie Hard Target to countless other movies, TV episodes, comic books, and cartoons.
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Jul 11, 2010 2:39:54 PM CDT
JackGraham, is it really that difficult for you to believe
by mattmanreturns
that someone has a differing opinion from your own? You've never encountered an opposing opinion in your life? Especially about something as subjective as a movie, of all things? Please.
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didn't think of it as a counterweight for the actual trap. This talkback has singlehandedly improved the ending of Pradator for me.
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That looks like just like Earth. One of many things wrong with this utter abortion of a film. Oh yeah, where's that shot from the commercial, you know, the one where Brody has like 10-15 predator "red targets" appearing on his chest? Oh right, there's only 3-4 predators in the film. Gotcha.
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what I was thinking-"The Most Dangerous Game" being an inspiration for countless films like the ones you mention. Watching Predator when I was younger (which I also believe derives partly from Beowulf) and Predators, the "Dangerous Game" theme is familiar_ I was thinking, "I know I've read something like this before..."
Also in response to previous posts, I would argue "Predator" shares more thematically with "Alien" than "Aliens"; a team of strong personalities systematically killed by an unseen force in which all attempts to take a stand/fight back fail (excepting Dutch/Ripley). In Alien the sense of claustrophobia came courtesy the dark lighting/Nostromo setting-in Predator, its the unforgiving and unpredictability of a foreign jungle that supports the tension. -
Wasn't he busy filming Machette next door with Rodriguez?
And yea for the record I thought this was a pretty alright movie, the soundtrack alone (although a complete ripoff) is worthy of putting in cinemas again. But be aware I like Predator 2, great cheesy 80's Scifi, and don't mind AvP, interesting, flawed, but it did have the one shot straight from the comics, of the Predator doing what Predators do and actually LEAPING IN THE AIR to spear the Alien Queens head at the end AvP2 on the other hand is like shit got up and smeared it's shit on a screen and painted it with a darker shit. -
Jul 11, 2010 2:53:48 PM CDT
And yea I think we've all got grounds to sue over the ad
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with the 15 laser sights on him..surely? False advertising?
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You're right! They should have used this one. It would have been more accurate.
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Sorry I missed that you caught that first... Enjoy the above clip!
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The "Earthiness" of the alien planet wouldn't bother me if the movie taking place on it was better. If they can bring all these humans and other creatures to the planet then they might as well bring plants and stuff with them as well in order to create a habitat. Things like this really only bother audiences when the movie is so bad that we are left with little else to think about. For example...
None of the characters seemed terribly upset to be on an alien planet. The African guy draws a huge (correct) conclusion because he sees some skulls on the ground. In the original Predator, it takes some time for the creature to pull a guy's spine and skull out through his back. It is implied that he is somehow preparing the trophy for this maneuver. In Predators, one of them just grabs a guy's back and rips it out like it's a finishing move. Apparently your face is not attached to your skull in any way because out of the guy's back comes a perfect, clean, bloody skull. If the sniper woman recognized the predator from Dutch's briefing way back when, why the HELL would she be hesitant to tell anyone? Isn't it kind of important if you know anything about these creatures since you're stuck on a planet with them? How did the old school predator have ANY idea what Adrien Brody was saying? These guys understand english? The predator was so accommodating that he even showed Brody a little projection of Earth as if to say "Oh, this place? Sure thing!" No one in the movie matters. Most of them aren't even given names and we don't even learn Brody's until the last scene. Topher Grave did not belong in this movie. He actually might not belong in ANY movie, but in this one in particular he stands out as just playing his role from That 70's Show in a different environment. Was he already ON the planet before the rest of the guys arrived? If so, why would he deliver the latin name for a plant that is not of this world? Was he "working" for the predators? For how long? I thought he was just a psychopath until a friend of mine brought up the theory that he was planted there... I don't get it. -
1. he worked with a child rapist, knowing fully well he child raped, all so he can win an oscar, even thanking the child rapist in the oscar speech and he has no problem with it. because he probably thinks that an artist could get away with raping children in their assholes as long as he has an artistic vision that is admired.
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Well, another fucking cartoon is number one at the box office regardless of how shit it is. Thanks guys.
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Jul 11, 2010 3:29:16 PM CDT
RPLocke you sure dude, I seen this on Imdb so I dunno could go e
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Predators, the weekend's other major new release, had a nifty debut. The $40 million action-sci-fi legacy act bowed with $25.3 million. Among Predator movies—and there are five of them now—that's the second-highest opening
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Woah, woah, woah.
Okay I haven't seen this movie yet (will prob wait for home release) but I wanted to clarify a point made here...
The 'money shot' from the advert with Brody covered in red laser targets - this moment is in the movie right?
It's Predators (plural) and some peeps here seem to be saying it's only 3 Predators in the whole movie. There were more than that in the climax of PREDATOR 2.
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or jaaarg as the locals say
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Nevermind the fact that the movie already made it's budget back worldwide, in the first weekend.
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eat mu balls and suck mu snatch im out.
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And that moment wouldn't even make sense, as there are only four predators in the movie. I think the studio probably came up with it for the trailer (assholes). Very weird.
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This was yet another example of a sequel/remake made by people who are "huge fans of the original, just like you!!!" Can you really name one instance where a movie made by a "huge fan of the source material" ended up being good? Remember the two mooks who directed AVP: Reqieum and assured everyone that they "loved" the two franchises and were going to go back to what worked? Yeah, how'd that go? They ended up basically saying the point of Aliens and Predator is that they're rated R movies. Rodriguez and Nimrod both said "We love Predator and we get why it works," but showed that they really don't get Predator as anything more than "Mercs in the jungle." Same shit's gonna happen for Conan. Instead of having people who "are such fans of the material" involved, get people who are, I dunno, actually good at making movies? I mean sure, JJ Abrams flat out admitted that he wasn't a Trek fan, but Bob Orci has to cry from the rooftops every interview about how much he loves Trek (yet say how only the first series was "true" trek) Can't wait for the same shit to happen to Conan, which looks to be on the same budget level as the Hercules TV show.
And for all the "this is the TRUE sequel to Predator" talk we heard going in, they sure did crib a whole lot of ideas directly from Predator 2. The concept of the Predators visiting earth for hundreds of years? Predator 2. Special Forces/the Government knowing about the Predators? Predator 2. In fact, it actually would have helped the story along to flat out mention Predator 2. Instead of Alice Braga somehow knowing about the events of first movie, and to make his character more relevant, just have Fishburne's character say "My dad fought one of these things in LA, that's how I know so much about them."
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Yes, it made it's money back but watch the HUGE drop next weekend. Pofit? No.
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As much as I hate to say it, it was Mars attacks. Yeah, I know. It sucked. But that's exactly why it was insane for me. Now, you have to factor into this, I had a tourist's point of view. BUT they did talk, they did say stuff like "Booom" & they did applaud it. Which is clearly insane. I'm sorry if you're from California & feel offended. That truly wasn't my intention. It just actually happened & it's in my top 3 of weird events.
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Holy fuck.
Let me get this straight.
So that shot in the advert, which was used as 'the big sell' in all the trailers. Isn't. In. The. Movie?
And what's more, it was NEVER in the movie. Not a deleted scene. Not a moment that was cut last minute. A scene that clearly implies there are dozens of PREDATORS (there are only 4 - like I said less than PREDATOR 2 climax)
Yet still, there it is in the trailer. Spliced in with all the rest of the genuine footage from the film. Promising something that the movie never had any intention of delivering.
I can't be the only one who thinks that's a cheap bullshit move on the part of Nimrod and Rodriguez?
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It pissed me off even though I liked the movie. It's intentionally misleading. In fact, all the marketing for this movie was downright awful-to-nonexistant. It's amazing it made as much money as it did.
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I wish I was you Cobra-kai and didn't see this fuck of a film. I am going to watch Predator and Predator 2 again to get the bad taste out of my mouth. Please everyone, if any director says their a fan of a film genre, don't believe them for a minute. Massawyrm I still want my money back you fuck!!
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Waiting for the scene where dozens of Predators fix their laser targetting systems on Brody.
What I was expecting was that after Brody defeated the retard predator, the 'small" AKA real Predators would show up, Brody would think the "I helped one of you, take me home" deal stood, puts his arms up, and the Predators just all target him, about to blow him away. The End.
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Looks like you've had technical difficulties Demode - or should I say NIMROD ANTAL!!
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Mars Attacks?! Man, what Twilight Zone/Bizzaro part of California did you venture into? I can't imagine any audience enjoying Mars Attacks to that extent. Crazy.
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He probably knows Predators is a dull, dim-witted crap-fest, but doesn't want to pan his buddy Rodriguez's production. Ah, Ain't It Cool, the standard of objectivity.
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Predator is a movie that we remember and still rewatch *23* years later. It spawned an entire franchise with its alien appearing in at least 4 other films, the only watchable one still being the original.
This movie will be forgotten next week, relegated to the 5 dollar circular bins of Wal-mart. I'm sure its creators will go on to do other stuff, but its nothing they will be remembered for. Thats why it failed. -
post a review Monday after the weekend box office, but I'm starting to think that he knows he would be nailed by talkerbackers if he posts a post review of the obvious crap-fest which is Predators.
And he will not post a negative review, which would offend Robert Rodriguez, his closest friend in Hollywood.
The closest thing we will likely get to a Predators review from Harry will be a small paragraph in his DVD column, in which he says something like, "Upon first viewing, I liked what Robert and Nimrod did, but expected more. With that said, Predators is growing on me and this DVD really got my blood pumping."
But, he might not review the DVD either. I don't recall Harry writing anything up regarding the lackluster Rocky Collection Blu-Ray set. It as obvious he did not want to offend Stallone. (But maybe he did review the Rocky set and I didn't notice it. I'll eat a plate of crow if he did). -
But Arnold pinning people to walls with throwing knives and saying "stick around" is brilliant writing? Come on.
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...didn't fool me for a second. I don't think they were promising anything and I don't feel "lied to" because it was so obvious that all but the first laser were added afterwards for effect. Maybe it helped that I saw the trailer on my computer and not on my television but, to me, it was clearly only added to build tension in the trailer...
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I always thought that you and I shared the same taste in movies. Lately that has being proven wrong time and time again. The new Predators movie was a complete carbon copy of the original. You know how copies lose a little luster? This movie was crap. Commando's in the jungle being hunted? Check. Tough Latina chick? Check. Big jungle waterfall scene? Check. Hero shirtless, covered in mud with a torch for the Predator vs. Human showdown? Check. This movie was a complete cheap retread. A very slow paced, big disappointment. You owe me $10 Massa. This movie was thrown together. Save your theater money folks. Another tick mark in the "suck" section for a pathetic summer movie season. Here's hoping "Inception" and "Expendables" is good.
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Then again, I liked the unrated cuts of the AVP films quite a bit, just as creature-features I thought they were fun. This time kind of a downgrade without aliens, but it was still cool. I did think the mega-bad big Predator went down too easy though.
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This is the last thing I'll say here, as I've wasted too much time on this talkback. The movie does not deserve this kind of hatred, and I think everyone here knows that (you guys are acting like this is Batman and Robin). I think what's really happening here is more of a "How dare Rodriguez pay fan-service to my nostalgic favorite! I had way better ideas for a Predator movie!" The fact of the matter is Predators is a perfectly decent sequel to a b-movie favorite that was never as good as its fans claim. It had one dimensional characters who existed simply to turn to the camera and deliver trailer lines like "Stick around!". It's a fun movie, but it's no masterpiece. Predators did not "fail" as it already made it's money back worldwide, and will easily make at least $40 domestically. It also has a b-rating from exit polls, which means audiences liked it. Deal with it. I'm out.
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Saved money from not seeing Predator will go toward Predator 2 DVD and some popcorn. At least in P2 it did have some decent stuff:the drug gangs building massacre, subway scene, Gary Bussey black ops team and their battle with the predator, the ending with the predator ship.
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Or, maybe a better sequel with some kind of original story, instead of this same-except-for-inane-geekery garbage?Hammered by an animated film led by Steve Carrell, and next week Inception and Sorcerer's Apprentice open.Bye bye, Predators.
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Some of you fuckheads are talking about an 80's Ahnuld movie like its the fucking Mona Lisa.
The fact is Predators was a great attempt at recreating that 80s vibe of one-dimensional characters and story by people that OBVIOUSLY knew what was good about the original.
I swear some of you fucksticks have literally NEVER written a positive thing on these talkbacks.
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And deciding whether or not to see a movie based upon the subjective opinions of AICN talkbackers is the epitome of stupidity. Formulate your own opinions dumbasses.
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We were driving from place to place & we were either in, or near, a town that I can't remember the exact name of. It stands out in my memory because the name was weird, but the exact name still escapes me. In my memory it was coppertino or something. I doubt that's correct. Cooperino? Copper bambino? Kop a feel now? I don't know:-). Wherever it was, the locals must all be on crack.
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Because it's 3 parts complete ripoff and one part garbage geekery that spits on the standards of the original. (Predators with no honor? Multiple Predators being killed by solitary humans? Samurai swords? All that's missing is the sound of a kid making the "pyoo! pyoo!" sound when the guns fire.)With the budget and talent Rodruiguez & co. had, they could have made a damned good and *original* film. But they just took a cheap, stupid shortcut.My final word on it as well. Looking forward to Inception.
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Predator is a classic. Predator 2 was great. However, they weren't great for their character arcs, storytelling, emotional involvement, etc, etc, etc -- they were good for their layers of 80s cheese.
The Predator franchise isn't supposed to be fucking Kubrick -- Predator 1 and 2 were good because they were fun. Predators is fun, too.
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I feel like going out tomorrow to buy Predator 2 on blu-ray to wash this fucking taste out of my asshole!
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Capone's claims of dead space.
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It could have used a little more spice and saltier, grittier mercs, badasses... not a bunch of dudes who definitely have a dental plan and have no unseemly vices. Nothing was too surprising, no real curve balls, all by the numbers, but it was serviceable and my companion enjoyed it. If you are not too demanding it'll do I suppose, but afterwards, I was left wondering if the Predators were more like the hillbillies from Deliverance, and we just can't understand them when they are saying, " Squeal like a pig! "
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That thing looked EXACTLY like the P1 creature that Arnold fought against, but how can that be? And since we've never seen one of the bigger/badder preds before are we to assume those are leaders? but they can't be leaders, we've seen the pred hierarchy before when they've shown the elders in avp1 and P2, those were normal predators not the big brutes.
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Well saw it today, and no way is it better than Predator 2, just... no. Too much homaging w/out bringing anything new. No real comraderie in the movie like in P1/P2 to offset all the gore, so many people are just assholes/traitors toward one another (which might seem good on paper but doesnt work in reality) and makes one really feel how important the close comraderie was between the commandos in 1 or the detectives in 2. Strange how all of the killings lacked impact, all the beheadings felt like a Mortal Kombat movie. It felt like a fanboy movie. However Brody, the Russian guy, Trejo (who shoulda bee in there more0 were pretty good. Btw this movie kind of mirrors the bleak feel of Alien 3.
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...but I shouldn't be surprised. Seriously, if you're one of those (like mr. gargantuan forehead) who walked out of this in a rage thinking it was 'the worst time ever spent at the movies', you need to get your fucking head examined...and then get a life.
The film isn't awful...nor is the original the 'amazing' bit of epic cinema people have convinced themselves it is. Arnie and co. were great when they attack the drug camp early on; but the moment they start getting hunted, their tactics turned to shit. They never felt like Green Berets...they were just buffed pricks who were easy bait. You know it to be true.
Is the new film flawed? Sure...Fishburn's acting was rough and there wasn't any true character development; but the Predator practical effects were good and Brody was FAR better than anyone thought he'd be...even most of the negative reviews have given the film that much. He did one heck of a decent Riddick impression...and was a self serving mean-mofo bastard, And bless him for it..they're the ones who survive. -
Way up at Jul 9th, 2010 05:57:23 PM.Great come back...
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boo hoo hoo.
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Right now... as of this posting... Top Critics... it's only 46% fresh.
LOL... Ebert opens up his review with, ""Predators” may be the first film in history to open with a deus ex machina."
Entertainment Weekly:
"As a fan of Schwarzenegger's macho, heart-of-darkness original, it gives me no pleasure to say that Predators is an uninspired mess of mediocre action scenes strung together until the final reel."
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not going to see the movie based on what I've read from the posts. I don't think I'm stupid for listening to others as they want I want in a movie like this. And what they're telling me by about a 3 to 1 ratio is don't see this movie. I enjoy a dumb movie as much as the next guy and am willing to overlook a lot of stuff (plot holes, dialogue, bad acting, etc) if its entertaining. From what I've read by many posts, its not. So I'm not going to see predators.
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....congrats. You're one of the sheeple. People like you are the reason Blade Runner was a box office failure when it came out (and no, I'm not comparing the two...just your easily swayed mindset).
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...I want to see it again just so I can figure out:
1. Was Isabelle IDF or a random Latina
2. What happened to/who owned the Pred-Dogs
3. What's the relationship between Super Predator and regular Predators
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You should go out and take a big bite of the shit sandwich yourself... because believing the hype machine/succumbing to your nostalgia makes you a true individual!
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...'using your own brain'. And, it the critics can be trusted, Predators is still at 65% on RT which makes it 'fresh'; though, admittedly, the vast majority of so-called reviewers on RT are pure shit.
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received if it came out in 1990 as Predator 2? My son and I watched Predator again last night, still holds up. Even the opening starship SFX look good. Aside from the Pred-dogs and the bugs, was there anything else that was glaring CGI in Predators? I don't think Predators has/needs the 80's cheeseball one-liners when it seemed every Arnie movie back then was trying to outdo each other and ended with the cringe-worthy Batman and Robin.
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It seems you think it's only using your brain to try something.
If there was a big announcement about free cake in town square, and I showed up to town square for some free cake, but everyone was puking like that scene in Stand By Me, would I not be using my brain to eschew the free cake? It seems by your logic that the only smart thing to do in that scenario would be to mow down on some cake.
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...Predators isn't the same as playing in traffic ;) Yes, use your brain - but for harmless guilty pleasure fun? If you aren't going to lose a limb, what the hell. I say give it a go.
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Auto, Leo...don't see it. The last thing we need here is more worthless complaining about a movie that wasn't supposed to be one of the greatest works of the modern age, and thus didn't turn out to be. A lot of people liked it..a lot of people didn't.
It just seems as though the one's that didn't like to high five each other and vocally defecate their displeasure on forums.
For every negative nancy on these forums I can find one person who liked it. I liked it. The people I went with liked it. And by no means am I, or my companions, intellectually devoid. I appreciated it for what it was -- good cheesy fun with sparse CG.
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to test their skills against warrior types. Why would they be interested in a prison guard and a serial killer? Could be wrong but I thought it was mentioned in the predator movie regarding heat by the local girl talking of a creature that would appear duing the hottest summers and do battle with the best warrior. In the predator mini series urban jungle, the general from the moive mentioned heat and where combat was taking place attracted them. Because of predators being interested in testing skill against warriors I don't understand the choosing of the guard and serial killer in the movie. If I'm wrong can someone please correct me.
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By Laurence Fishburne -- he says they use the game preserve to test their skills and develop better weapons and tactics. In that sense, wouldn't you want the most diverse group of test subjects that you could find? In other words, it would be more beneficial to get a plethora of violent archetypes to study as opposed to just a group of Ahnulds.
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I saw a matinee of Predators on Friday. It's become a blur in my mind and if I had to use one word to describe the feeling of Predators, it would be... slipshod.
I wanted very much to like Predators, but there was so much dumb shit in the movie that by the end I honestly felt like I was not so much watching the movie as tolerating it.
It doesn't even start out promising. See my comments above about how they managed to make a boring scene out of the opening gag of waking up in freefall.
I found the whole thing virtually devoid of creativity or craft. And Nimrod Antal can go fuck himself with his CONSTANT EXPOSITION, and his need to show the same action using repeated takes in rapid succession.. it's as if we're watching brazillian candid camera.
I could go on for days and I don't even hate the movie that much. I just love Predator as a concept and feel like Predators is a misguided, inartistic, and inarticulate piece of shit. Having thought about it for a couple days I think I actually did enjoy AVP:R more than I enjoyed Predators. -
Predators...Blade Runner...Predators...Blade Runner. Hmm. :)
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As the more intelligent people in this talkback have already noted, PREDATORS has recouped its production costs in its first three days of release.
As was noted by numerous box-office analysts yesterday in their weekend recaps, it exceeded Fox's estimates as well.
Everything from here on (all further box office earnings, DVD sales, tv/cable rights, etc.) is gravy.
Regardless of whether some of you want one or not, we will most assuredly be seeing another Predator movie in the future. This is not open for debate. As the saying goes, "The numbers don't lie." -
That is all.
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I thought that it had some cool ideas and scenes, but they were not totally realized. Leaving the theater, I felt like I'd seen a decent reimagining of the fist film. Entertaining, but ultimately didn't really blaze any new ground even when opportunities existed to do so.
There was a great opportunity with Fishburn's character to learn more about the Predator tech and their hunting techniques. Would have been neat to see him teach the team & possibly try to lead an all out assault on the Predator base camp. Or they could have fleshed out his implied cannibal/scavenger thing a little bit more.
I also felt like for a movie having a game reserve plot line, that we didn't see that many great hunting techniques from the squad of Predators. The first 1/3 of the movie started well with the Predator dogs testing their opponents and watching/learning how they'd react, but I didn't feel like that really added up to anything significant after that. Kinda wanted to see the Predators spread the group out again and hunt members of the team individually forcing them to rely on their individual skill sets to survive. -
on the need for a variety of opponents for the preds to challenge themselves with. Keeps them sharp. I also want to thank for reminding me to take the movie for what it is and should be:good cheesy fun. Although I admit I wanted this movie to be special like a lot of people. Sort of like going to your class reunion and wanting to see your old hot (in your eyes) girlfriend and finding she turned in Kirstie Alley. I will go see the movie now with an open mind thanks to your posts
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I liked it too ;)
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Predators took him to their game preserve world. Same with John Wilkes Booth, yeah the feds say its him but the preds got him while he was trapped in the burning farmhouse.
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that's quite funny. keep it up, im extremely bored at home writing reviews for crappy subtitled russian movies. as one famous actor said in one great movie ..."entertain me with your bull shit" .... kudos to those who know the quote!
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Good to hear. At least after you watch it you'll be able to decide for yourself what you did or didn't like about it. Don't get me wrong -- it is by no means perfect, it has it's problems. It was, however, much better than any recent attempt at the franchise. I would agree with a poster above that if predator is a 10/10 then predators is about a 7.5 or 8/10
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and go in thinking its more 4/10 than 8/10. just balancing the argument and I'd agree with most posts on here that say Predators is a steaming pile of horse manure.
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Didn't read all of it as its quite lengthy but in the opening paragraph is this line: has cool images and ideas but doesnt live up to its imagination. sort of a generic criticism of the movie but criticism nonetheless. If Harry does do a review of predators I hope if he has issues with he'll be honest and include them. Can you believe reloaded came out in 03? Quick question for those disappointed in both predators and matrix reloaded, which was the bigger disappointment?
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For me Predators was the bigger dissapointment because i'm a big fan of the original and to a slightly lesser extent its sequel. Its the fact that Rodriguez bigged this up so much, saying how we was a fan and he wasnt going the way of the alien vs preds movies, how he was gonna give us fans what we really wanted etc, and then he delivers Predators, a film so uninspired it makes Alien VS Predator seem allright. I'm not as big a fan of the Matrix as I am of predator therfore I didn't really care about Reloaded not being as good. I actually thought Reloaded had its moments, it was Revolutions that I thought was awful and the worst of the 3.
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The design of the tied up pred. Specifically, the chest hair. You could tell it was rubber and it just looked weird.
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all I'll say is I hated it. Lazy, fan-boyish BULLSHIT.
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Can't there be a AVP movie where they fight each other, without people in the mix. The Preds could even be subtitled. If they need ONE human they can use the Machiko chick from the AVP comics, that would be COOL.
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I said I WASN'T comparing them...it was about box office money vs. critical reviews prior to release. Go back and read...or, if you can't read - and it seems you can't ... go eat a fucking gun. Your family...and the world...will thank you.
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but at least the action sequences and chases were decently satisfactory. Plus, as the middle chunk of a saga, it worked pretty well (of course though, the final movie was a huge let down after all the various setups). Predators on the other hand has very little going for it... in fact I can barely recall anything said by most of the actors other than a few lines from Brody and Morpheus... not very memorable.
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.... specifically it was the only movie where i shoued out in anger "this is shit man" to a full theatre of cinemagoers, who subsequently turned round to look at me, i like to think because i was their inner voice speaking out on behalf of all of them, and not because i interupted their concentration at such a complicated film.
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When you use the word "objectivist" are you just referring to the fact that you think "objectively" or are you referring to the philosophy?
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...We REMEMBER Predator. No one will remember Predators except as a footnote when people have to defend their love on the original in the future. "No man, you have to see the ORIGINAL, not the other ones." Predator wasn't exactly Citizen Kane, but it knew exactly what it wanted to do and it did it well. To see Arnold ham it up in the first half of the movie as he and his team take out an entire camp of the enemy just solidified how much of a bad ass he was and further reinforced how big of a deal it was that the predator was a worthy opponent. He stops being cocky as soon as the shit hits the fan in ways he doesn't get. On top of all the FUN of Predator, the creature was handled with incredible tact and good taste. Who can forget the unmasking scene which every sequel has tried to re-capitalize on? The mix of technology and savagery that made the thing not only scary, but cool as hell? They will never bottle that lightning again. It's a perfect movie, as far as the genre is concerned.
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I'm interested in what harry says about this movie. As per my previous post this was a complete fuck up of a movie. Considering Rodriguez was involved im disgusted coz i like virtually everything that man has ever done (spy kids films notwithstanding!)At least AVP 1 had some scope,a cool predator spaceship,some decent action and Lance Henrikson ! Trejo was killed to early as he was the best thing in it,he probably had to pop next door though to do his Machete stuff so i guess it's forgiveable he was killed off so early. I actually liked Brody and Alice Braga but the script and dialogue were pretty fuckin bad for the most part. Lawrence fishburne's part was ridiculous and it just looked to be done on about half the budget of the AVP films. Thing is there was nothing in this film we haven't seen before! Surely to do another Predator film the idea would logically be to move things along,bigger setting,more predators,different story etc,at least the AVP films tried (though somewhat failed) to do this at least they gave it a shot. This movie had all the ambition of tortoise winning the 100 yard sprint! Maybe after the failures of the AVP filsm fox wasn't willing to shell out much money on it so there may have been a mountain to climb to begin with but this is one of the BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS of the last couple of yrs for me.
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Saw it yesterday, want to see it again. This is the predator flick that I and I know from reading this site for a long time alot of other folks have been waiting to see. I liked Predator 2 just fine, but like this movie much more.
I'll never understand why there are so many fucking boring haters on this site with nothing better to do than bitch about fun movies. There are stinkers out there for sure, AVP2 for instance, but so many other fun movies that fall under "just what the doctor ordered" for film fans that get dumped on because so many out there will never be happy with anything released ever. Lighten the fuck up, people, have some fun for God's sake! -
"game preserve to test their skills and develop better weapons and tactics. In that sense, wouldn't you want the most diverse group of test subjects that you could find?"
Why weren't there more non-humanoids (from other galaxies) on the game preserve? The film had a lot of potential... but was utter crap that stole shit from the first film. -
... nothing much of interest at all.
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McG and Rodriguez were "big fans" of the originals... and well... their versions have turned out to be shit.
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I liked his work on Pitch Black/Riddick. He's a solid sci-fi director, let him run with it.
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And Topher Grace... holy shit did he stick out like a sore thumb.... wow fucking horrible.
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that would a dream cross over. Failing that (impossible dream), bring in Twohy to direct... maybe add in Vin Diesel as the lead. Would blow AVP and P3 out of the water.
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90 minutes of Megan Fox getting fucked by a Predator and you fools would STILL hate on it. Pull the cork out of your ass and have some fun, jeez.
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Just because we wish the movie was better doesn't make us stinkers. If I pay $10 to see something all I ask is that it's worth it. Being critical of something that's going to make millions and millions of dollars is a necessity. If the movie was enough fun that we could overlook it's flaws then a lot of us surely would. However, when a movie is bad enough that three scenes later you are still reeling from something dumb that happened 10 minutes ago because it hasn't given you anything else to make up for it... well... you get sad movie fans. Peewee's Big Adenture is one of my favorite movies and it's enough fun that I am willing to overlook how bored I get during the films third act (PW Herman movie aside). Predators, for me, just wasn't a blast. Honestly all I wanted was to be entertained but there was just enough bad writing, bad acting, and stick-out-like-a-sore-thumb-CGI to keep taking me out of it.
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1. Rodriguez wrote this script, but didn't really spend enough time re-writing it or editing it. The dialogue misses HUGE opportunities to develop the characters' via backstory. Like when they're asking each other what they were doing when they got abducted-- the Russian just says, "War. Chechnya." Trejo says the name of some town or something. THAT'S IT! The soldier could have said, "I hold back the food riots. When the mobs come to fort and overrun fence, I put them down." Something that gives a sense of the violence behind him. Every line is one-dimensional. Don't forget, he subcontracted out the rewriting to Michael Finch and Alex Litvak. Spread himself too thin, this Rodriguez chap did.
2. Way too much exposition. And most of it's uneccessary. After just the first attack by the dogs, Brody is claiming to recognize that they're on a preserve being hunted, etc. etc. But the audience didn't need to be told that. And the realization of that didn't alter what the humans were going to do, anyway. It's not like they suddenly started demanding to see hunting permits from the Predators.
3. Larry Fishburn. Ouch. That was really stupid. More exposition, but performed by an implausibly schizo character. This is survival of the fittest and it's ridiculous to think Fishburn would be a survivor in his mental state.
4. Topher Grace's character was out for self-preservation. Would not have turned on his serial-killer double-identity under these circumstances. Just plain dumb.
5. Laser sighting scene from trailer not in the movie. Also missing is dialogue where Trejo says, "Does this look like a team of group orientated individuals to you?!?"
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Man i was puzzled why it seemed like it was written by a teenager (and made Predator 1's writing seem ilke Hemingway).
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and you'll enjoy it. Just saw it, as long as I treated like it as cheesy pop culture its enjoyable. Stupid, enjoyable fun like when as teens we'd get together and drink cheap beer and play poker. As long you kept drinking the cheap stuff the more you got used to it. At first the movie was nasty especially when Brody first spoke like when you take your first swig of beer. Jesus!1 But I remembered what Val and Jack said: its just cheese. So I turned off my brain like when you have a beer buzz and the movie decent. Not enough to make want to see it again but not the worst thing I've ever seen. I did start not wanting to see this movie for the many reasons posted before me. It was a bad predator movie if you took it even half seriously. But I didn't take it seriously and had some fun just like when I saw kick ass. Plus I got to trailer for the expendables. Now I think I'll have a decent beer.
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All I got was Step it up 3d, resident evil apocalypse (who greenlights that shit), and a machete trailer to wash the bad taste out.
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1. What was that derilict spaceship that MORPHEUS hid in? It wasnt predator in design, it looked far more 'ALIEN' no pun intended (also it seemed to small in the inner corridors to be built for predators.
What type of gun did MORPHEUS have again? It surely was not predators gun because it was hand held and they use mounted plas weapons.
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He was killed off quickly as an illustration that anyone who went it alone wouldn't make it out alive, that's what Brody's character realized later (and what saved him, he didn't end up getting on the predator ship). This seemed to be the main theme pursued in the movie.
Derelect ship: dunno, but it was very cool. I loved the cinematography in this film, the lead-in shots for big other-wordly scenery exposures like that ship were really cool, well done I thought.
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It seemed to take longer in Alien for the thing to burst out..
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You dope, did you not see the smiley face? I was poking fun at you going out of your way to say you WEREN'T comparing the two, even though the Blade Runner reference was a crazily inappropriate example for the point you're making. People aren't seeing Predators because it's stupid, cheap, pandering, cliched, unoriginal. People didn't see Blade Runner because it was strange, creative, original, challenging, moody, didn't pander, wasn't full of cliches and things blowing up.Man, talk about getting up on the wrong side of the bed, pal. Lay off the 'Cheetohs' and you might make it out of the basement!
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especially compared to "the losers", "the a team" and all of the other assorted crap that was shoveled on us earlier this year
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Again, what type of gun did fishburne have? It was futuristic....not human....not pred....
I don't think going off alone got fish killed, he was alone for awhile. Brody luring the preds in killed teh Fish.
Anyways, I thought the coolest themes were left unexplored, although a direct sequel won't happen for this.
My highlights;\
Samurai Sword pred battle
Fishy's scenes
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convict w/ a handmade shank? And why did toper all the sudden turn evil? And why was the pred-falcon a fucking falcon and not just a satellite?
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Jul 12, 2010 11:35:54 PM CDT
Why not 'nuke from orbit' ......................................
by peanutbutterslut
These preds didn't care about sport really, so why not just nuke the humans?
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Preds don't even care anymore anyways, their all lazy and shit. SOOOO many questionz...........
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Jul 13, 2010 1:02:47 AM CDT
When I watch a movie, How It Could Be Better shouldn't be top in
by tomonicker
All I thought while watching Predators was how with some tweaking, it could have been much better. Example, if we must have an atmo drop, something a little more interesting than a chute? The little puddle sequence supposedly showed some wacky tidal issue, other effects on flora, twisted trees, something? Instead of Laurence's character being a nutty dude, how about an outright new alien? Wrecked ship looking a little less nonsensical and crazy inside with the use of the Klingon's Bird Of Prey as inspiration? Oh, and I don't know why the uproar over the laser sights? They looked mostly tacked on in the film too and not really there, so a few extra was probably easy to concoct... I didn't feel cheated. Yes, I noticed it, but as I said, I had too much already on my mind to get angry about that!
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It's all water under the bridge, but nevertheless here's my "how it could have been better imo" list, slightly modifying the existing movie. :)
1.) Recast Adrien Brody. The Rock is the new main soldier. Topher Grace is out. Adrien Brody plays the part of the doc, who was dropped there with a bag of supplies to help patch up the other humans during the hunt. Basically, to keep the "prey" strong.
2.) The skinny prisoner guy is out. Replaced with Randy Couture, who is The Rock's military friend. This brings some organization and identity to the human group, who are otherwise strangers. And when Couture's spine is ripped out, The Rock has more reason to kick some ass.
3.) Only one super alien hunter, who intelligently hunts each human one by one, with a distinct code of honor. It lowers its gun to fight the Japanese guy sword-to-sword. It never harms Adrien Brody, the doc. Only when Randy Couture offers up a worthy challenge, it takes the spine as a trophy.
4.) Fishburne is out. He's not skinny enough to play the dude who's been stuck there. Replace him with the actor who played the skinny prisoner guy. Have his face be burnt and missing an arm, and walks around carrying that little knife. The alien hunter had let him go a while back, given his defenselessness and respect for his perserverence.
He remains a scavenger that tries to trick the new human group, in order to take their stuff.
5.) The doc does not randomly turn evil. He gets caught in that leg trap, and everything else goes the same. The Rock leaves, and Isabelle stays behind to help the doc. When Isabelle and the doc get caught in the net, the doc accidentally paralyzes Isabelle.
6.) The doc (Adrien Brody) who was saved by both the Russian and Isabelle, sacrifices himself by rigging himself with grenades and getting close to the alien hunter, knowing it thinks of him as unworthy prey and a dishonorable kill.
7.) The final fight sequence goes similarly, with The Rock battling the alien hunter and Isabelle trying to regain her movements and grab her gun. However, the alien hunter kills The Rock, just in time for Isabelle aim her gun and kill it.
8.) Movie concludes with Isabelle walking along and looking up as more parachutes come down.
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My apologies to everyone for "abandoning" this talkback when i really got it going the other night... Didn't get a chance to really sit down and debate. But NOW that i have the time... where to start! How about QUANTIZE. Wow man... *applaudes* you really fuckin' embarassed yourself lol... I didn't even need to respond to you to prove how ignorant and infantile you are. And props to LASERPANTS for waxing this muthafucka lol. Well done sir! ;-) Anyway, the IRONY here quantize (as i'm sure you completely missed...) is that we share the EXACT same thoughts about Predators. One of your later posts was almost word for word about what i had posted earlier about the film. For a second there, i thought you just copied and pasted from my post lol... HOWEVER, you are still a complete and utter MORON. (And a hypocrite too!) :) You accuse ME of "shit-talking" and screaming like a child? LMAO that's exactly what YOU did to me and laserpants, later on! The only fucking thing I DID was point out SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE things about Alien Resurretarded that made it a shit movie. You know, techical aspects of film-making like: THE AWFUL SCRIPT, the TERRIBLE ACTING (shockingly, including Sigourney...), the AMATEUR CINEMATOGRAPHY, and the RIDICULOUS PLOT. THEN i pointed out SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE things about Alien 3 that make THAT a good film (since you aluded to thinking it was crap in one of your earlier posts). Go back and read my post you RAGING DOUCHEBAG (it's at Jul 10th, 09:10:48 AM, since your probably to lazy to look it up)... How about you ARGUE and DEBATE with me instead of SCREAMING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH. All of these Ad Hominem attacks on me and laserpants... and all we did was discuss the FILMS. So if you're down for a proper debate, then BRING IT. I'm sure it will be downright HILARIOUS to see you try to defend Alien: Ressuridiculous lol and i'm sure it would be equally comedical to see you attempt to tear down Alien 3... I'm ready for ya bud.
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To bring everyone up to speed here, in case they give a shit about our little "debate"... here are my posts about Alien resuCKrrection and Alien 3 :-) "Alien Resurrection was ALMOST as big a shit-in-the-face to the Alien franchise as "Predators" was to the Predator franchise. The acting was AWFUL. Even Sigourney was terrible in that... (probably due more to the script, than her fault...) The dialogue was just... just, fucking CHEEEEEEESEBALL. The fucking cinematography, was AMATEUR at best. Loved those "fishbowl" lens shots or whatever the fuck they're called... Just hideous. The plot was RI-FUCKING-DICULOUS. The whole cloning ripley, half-alien-human-hybrid thingy?? What the FLYING FUCK?!? Fuck. I'm so angry now just by you mentioning that travesty of a film.
I assume, based on your obvious LACK OF TASTE, that you "hated" alien 3. And i'm sure you hated it for valid, OBJECTIVE reasons like the script, the acting, the cinematography, the score... all of which were fucking CLASS. I'm sure you didn't hate it for silly, BIASED, SUBjective reasons like: NO MARINES!?!? ONE ALIEN!?!? NO MACHINE GUNS?!?! NEWT AND HICKS KILLED!?!? RIPLEY SHAVED HER HEAD!?!? IT'S DARK AND MOODY AND DEPRESSING! RIPLEY KILLED HERSELF!!! WAAAAAAAH!!! IT'S NOT HOW I WOULD HAVE MADE IT! THE ALIENS SHOULD HAVE COME TO EARF!! DUUUUURRRRR" "Have you ever sat down and listened to Elliot Goldenthal's Score for Alien 3? One of the best scores in the history of the genre easily... if not film in general. "Lento", "Explosion and Aftermath", fucking "Adagio"... Epic ass shit right there... How 'bout the casting? Charles Dance? Charles S. Dutton? Andrew Glover? Ralph Brown? The guy who played "Morse"? Brilliant casting. All those bald brittish fucks :-) BRILLIANT set design... claustrophobic, moody, isolated... PERFECT fucking tone. Love the color palette: Golds and browns, oranges, yellows, rust, rust, and more RUST! AWESOME Direction by a Virgin Director... I knew right when i saw that film, that the director, Fincher, was gonna be something special. How BALLSY was it to kill Ripley's safety nets: HICKS AND NEWT. BRILLIANT. Ripley getting an alien inside her? BRILLIANT. Ripley sacrificing herself for the betterment of humanity? FUCKIN A. Morse being the lone survivor? AWESOME ;-) Charles Dutton goin' out like a "G"? BAD-FUCKING-ASS...
Shall i go on? Better yet, why don't you share with us, the "brilliance" of Alien: Reserridiculous..." *patiently awaits Quantize's amazingly OBJECTIVE and MATURE retort...* ;-) -
Jul 13, 2010 5:50:33 AM CDT
Ok, now that THAT'S out of the way... lol
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
I need to give honorable mention to a couple of posters on here that held down the fort during my absense ;-) "KilliK" and "JackGraham". Thanks for the props JackGraham :) I wish i woulda been able to post on this TB the day after, as we definitely seem to be on the same page about this flick. And just to summarize everything here... The so called "haters" are not OVERREACTING! Fuck. Predators, truly is one of the worst films EVER MADE. No fucking hyperbole. At best, it is simply the laziest, most uninspired, cheap, fanboy-pandering, hack-job of a flick that i have ever had the displeasure of seeing. Sorry to you all who defend it... but we have this little thing called STANDARDS. We aren't overreacting, and we certainly aren't overrating the original Predator. FUCK THAT. That goddamn film IS a masterpiece. WITHIN ITS FUCKING GENRE. That's what a couple of you idiots are failing to realize... we aren't saying that Predator is better than THE GODFATHER or GONE WITH THE WIND lol Relative to its GENRE... it is indeed a MASTERPIECE. Much like Alien, Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2, etc. It isn't pure nostalgia as some of you mooks are calling us out on. Fuck, i remember that same illogical "argument" during The Great Star Wars Debate (about the prequels) lol. Again, I repeat... IT IS NOT NOSTALGIA! Certain films that we loved as children, such as: Willow, The Goonies, Robocop, Predator 2, Tron, Temple of Doom, The Neverending Story, Mac and Me lol, etc. DO NOT HOLD UP NOW. Fact. They just simply aren't as good as our child-like minds remembered them to be... However, certain classic films ARE as good as they seemed to be back in the day. Such as... Jaws, Alien, Aliens, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, The Secret of Nimh, PREDATOR. All of these films hold up to mature tastes and intensive scrutiny. By CRITICAL ANALYSIS of the TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF FILM-MAKING. Seriously guys, i just watched Predator again the other night, and just MARVELED at the scope, and the meticulous nature of how they made that goddamn film. Go ahead and rewatch it. And better yet, watch the 90 odd minutes of the special features that include the making of documentary, interviews with the cast and crew... you will be STUNNED by the sheer creativity and PASSION of all those involved. From the actors, to the director, to the man in the suit (Kevin Peter Hall, who did an INCREDIBLE job at bringing the iconic creature to life). From TOP to BOTTOM, everyone involved wanted to make THE BEST MOVIE THEY COULD. They wouldn't "settle". Predator is truly a CLASSIC. Despite a "simplistic plot", everything from the lean and mean script, to the perfect casting, fantastic performances by the actors (WELL above what one would expect from a movie in this genre...) Hell, just look at Bill Duke's performance, especially after Blaine is killed. His little monologue looking up to the heavens, talking to his recently-departed friend, with the backing of Alan Silvestri's MASTERFUL score (the track is entitled "Goodbye". YOUTUBE IT NOW!) From the incredibly meticulous cinematography (McTiernan nearly fractured his wrist trying to get a single shot - was up in a tree, when the branch broke and he fell right on his head.) Now please, tell me "Nimrod", lol, would ever take a chance at something like that! (My ASS) How about the stuntwork, specifically during the big shootout in the beginning. Fucking A that's impressive. How about the practical effects for the predator and the trial and error that was used to make this thing come to life. (a little different than the lazy and uninspired CGI the Predators folk used to make their shit come alive on screen...) And again, did i mention the fucking AMAZING SCORE?! lol Jesus, i could go on for hours about the amazing achievements of the original Predator... The note-perfect pacing, buliding of tension, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, memorable dialogue (some good ad-libbing from the wonderful actors helped flesh out the characters from the script). All of these things mentioned above were SORELY LACKING in Predators. That is why we are SO ANGRY. This isn't just simplistic, hate-filled FANBOY bitching (like Transformers or Speed Racer lol)... This is fucking based on ARTISTIC MERIT. Our standards were raised because of Predator. We expect MORE. We don't want a half-assed, lazy rip-off of our beloved film. Is that too much to ask? So if you "had fun" with Predators... saying that it wasn't all that different from the original... then you have NO FUCKING CLUE about what made the original so special. You just enjoyed it for the "bad-ass" predator and the gore and killings, etc., and all that simplistic and juvenile shit. So in that sense, i can see how you would "have fun" with predators. But i'm sorry, Predator was much, much more than that. I guess you guys are just too ignorant to see it. But again, i'm just a whiny angry virgin nerd who just gets off on talking shit about movies, cuz i got nothing better to do with my life. It's not based on anything deeper than that, AT ALL... ;-)
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Jul 13, 2010 5:57:06 AM CDT
I'm going to repost my main "review"/RANT lol, about Predators..
by that_girl_from_the_lowes_commercials_gar
This is from earlier in the Talkback when i first posted. This just finishes summing up why i hated Predators, after i just gave you reasons on why Predator is a classic. And then i'm done. Until someone responds... ;-) I have NEVER walked out of a theatre more enraged. Never have i felt so much animosity towards a film-maker. This was absolute lowest common denominator bullshit. No ARTISTIC MERIT in the least. In no way WHATSOEVER, was it an improvement over the horrendous, insufferable AVP movies. With numerous lapses in logic, plot holes galore, perhaps the most one-dimensional characters i have ever witnessed in all my years of watching films, the worst dialogue since the star wars prequels, cheap sets/costumes/cgi, boring/bland "action" and lame/uninspired kills... some pretty horrendous acting (Morpheus, i'm lookin' at you! The one honerable mention going to Brody, who impressed me more than i expected... he actually elevated the awful material he was given to work with... did the best he possibly could, and i comend him for that).
I'm really glad to see that the majority of the people on here came away feeling the same way. And to all the imbeciles with inconceivably low standards and poor taste on here who are defending this pile of excretement... this isn't simple "hating/whining/trolling", whatever you wish to call it. Many posters on here have given SPECIFIC FUCKING EXAMPLES on why this movie FAILED MISERABLY ON EVERY CONCEIVABLE LEVEL from a FILM-MAKING STANDPOINT. It ABSOLUTELY failed on every objective, qualitative, facet of film-making. Any use of logic, critical thought, objectivity, would lead you all to the same conclusions as the rest of us "enlightened" folks... The APOLOGISTS are the ones basing their reactions on personal bias and irrational feelings, and even ignorance. The things they list that are somehow "good" about the film are, in fact, BLATANT RIPOFF's of the original fucking film... they're just to ignorant to see it! The goddamn score was just copy and pasted over this film from the original! Absolutely IDENTICAL! That's not fucking "clever"... thats fucking LAZY. It's manipulative. That's pretty sad that the best thing about a movie is that which they RIPPED OFF from the original film lol... And the fucking RIDICULOUS, FANBOY-ESQUE Yakuza/Predator SHOWDOWN?!?!?! I litteraly had to stop myself from LAUGHING OUT LOUD in the theatre. What a fucking JOKE. (Billy bridge scene from the original anybody? Even used the same fucking MUSCIAL CUE from the original! Fuckin' amateur...)
Even the people that "liked" this shitstain of a movie, mention as such. They actually, as Massa does in his review, point out THE FUCKING HUGE, GLARING FLAWS! They offer no clear, definitive, reason/argument/defense, on why they thought it was a "good movie". That is obviously due to the fact that they have NO ARGUMENT. Without a defense, your opinion has NO MERIT. So to those who continue to live in "LaLa Land", who believe that "everyone's opinions are equal", and that "film is entirely subjective"... well, you can rightly go FUCK YOURSELVES! It's funny, the people that spout this shit off are always the ones who have the poor taste... lol And all you twats fail to realize that this philosophy, as warm and fuzzy as it may sound to you, is actually HARMFUL.
Think about it... It discourages INTROSPECTION, ANALYSIS, EXAMINATION of why you feel a certain way about something. (You can just say, "Yep, i liked it!". Without defending it in any way) FUCK THAT. It encourages IGNORANCE, LAZINESS, and LOW STANDARDS, while discouraging PERSONAL GROWTH. Saying that ALL opinions are equal... you don't have to defend your position! Just go with a gut reaction... your instinct, your primal, lizard-brain knee-jerk reaction! Without any further analysis whatsoever! Good taste doesn't exist! Whatever you do, don't use logic or rational thought!! Serisouly, how fucking stupid does this sound? lol Not everyone has to have the same exact position on every movie ever made. Shit, that would get boring, real fucking fast. However, EVERYONE should be able to DEFEND their stance... on ANYTHING for that matter!
Dissect it, analyze it, pull it apart, deconstruct it... Only then can you truly be enlightened. The more critical you are of something, the more you will appreciate TRUE GREATNESS. Seriously! If you find "Predators" to be "quality film-making"...than how could you POSSIBLY appreciate a TRULY GOOD FILM such as A Clockwork Orange? It simply CANNOT BE. If you really use the same objective standards/criteria to judge each film individually, you just CANNOT come away thinking both Predators and A Clockwork Orange are both good films.
Thus, I respect NO OPINIONS in ANY SUBJECT MATTER (politics, film, music, philosophy, etc.) that aren't defended. I simply don't. I don't even care if you hate "Predators" as much as i do. If you have no logical, rational defense on why you feel that way, than your opinion is rendered moot. That simple. And in the case of "Predators", there is absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY to defend it as a "good film" by using any objective criteria as it relates to film-making, or art in general. Unless your standards/expectations are just unimaginably low...
In conclusion, I never... EVER thought i would say this about a film, but i cannot deny it. "Predators" was actually worse than the following films: AVP, Resident Evil: Apocalypse, Transformers 2, Alien Resurrection, X-Men: Last Stand, Spiderman 3, and Ballistick: Ecks vs. Sever. NO HYPERBOLE. It was the worst movie of the year, HANDS DOWN. Arguably, one of the worst movies of the decade. It may be the LAZIEST, most UNINSPIRED, PREDICTABLE, CLICHED, HALF-ASSED, ILLOGICAL, HACK-JOB's i have ever seen commited to celluloid. I am STUNNED that there are people on here actually defending this fucking dreck. Not ONE redeemable feature about this film. Not a single SINCERE, or GENUINE/HONEST bone in its body. What an absolute travesty. An absolute microcosm of whats wrong with hollywood these days... unoriginal, regurgitated, cheap, half-assed nonsense. Shame to anyone who finds this piece of shit entertaining. May God have mercy on your soul... lol -
I really take pride in objectivity... critical analysis. That is why i believe that there really is no subjectivity in regards to art. Sure, everyone is going to have a different opinion... i completely agree with that. However, i'm going to EXPLAIN the reason for differing opinions. Many people, especially those on this website, like to believe that everyone just has their own opinions, and they are all equally valid. Now, that's all lovely and seemingly fair and all, and it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside... but it is NOT reality. Sorry guys, time for a little enlightenment ;-) The difference in opinion is based on things like standards, taste, intelligence, critical thought, objectivity. This ain't debating what tastes better between COKE and PEPSI. In THAT case, it is pure subjectivity. Preferring coke over pepsi and vice-versa is not right or wrong. It's simply based on taste, which is simple chemical reactions on the tongue. Nothing more, nothing less. Now FILM on the other hand, is, thankfully, a little more complicated than that :) Measurable, quantitative things like Acting, writing, cinematography, score, set design, visual effects, sound design and editing, pacing, plot logic/consistency, etc... These are REAL, TANGIBLE things that can be judged and critiqued/analyzed. The more OBJECTIVE and INTELLIGENT/PERCEPTIVE viewer will take all of these aspects of film-making into account for EACH AND EVERY film that he sees (such as I!) :) We go in with an open mind, no personal bias, and HIGH standards (not UNREASONABLE standards, mind you...). On the other end of the spectrum... the type of viewer that "enjoys" Predators (we'll call them "Person B", as opposed to "Person A" above...) is a little more "easy-going". Lacks the passion, ability to judge critically, intelligence perhaps... to watch a movie like "Person A" does. He will generally be more impressed with the average movie, as his expectations aren't nearly as high as "Person A". Now fine, if you want to watch films like this, then that is your choice. If you don't take art (film, more specifically in this case) very seriously, than just watch your little movie, enjoy your weak informed "opinion" of said movie, and movie on. Don't come to a website devoted to, what should be, hardcore film-lovers, and try to pass off your wsimplistic opinions as if they are as valid as the rest of us, more "scholarly" folk ;-). That's like me going to an art gallery/expo whatever, and getting into a deep debate/argument about which piece of art is better. (I have no fucking clue about literal ART (paintings and such). I can't draw for shit. Couldn't care less about it. My opinion on "art" would be that of a Predators lover for film. i.e. "yeah, sure... that's a nice painting, i suppose. Sure that's a nice one too. It's "pretty". *blank stare* lol) See the difference here? Iknow my limitations. I have no passion for Art (paintings), and thus, have no objective, reasonable knowledge about what is good or bad. It's superficial and subjective, and it probably always will be, as i have no interest in it. So why would i try to come across as such? I WOULDN'T. So all you guys who "enjoyed" predators... so be it. Say you liked it personally, admit that it's, objectively, a TERRIBLE film, and move on. To say that your opinion is just as valid as those who have good taste, who critically analyze film, and are calling out this shitty film as such... i say FUCK YOU. You have no leg to stand on. Leave the debate, the real film talk, to the professionals. ;-) There, i have said my peace! *long exhale* lol
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Last fucking post tonight! lol I don't think everybody should agree on EVERY MOVIE. That would be fucking boring! THAT would be the subjective part. Small variations with debatable films (like Shutter Island, Ang Lee's Hulk, A.I., etc.), that are on the fence between being called good or bad. If you can make a strong defense as to why you feel a movie is good or bad, than i completely respect and accept your "opinion". It's the knee-jerk reactions like "i thought it was awesome" or "I think it sucked monkey balls", whithout any deep thought or analysis that piss me off. I don't even care if you didn't like Predators, hating it as much as i did... if you have no valid reason for disliking it then i don't respect your opinion. But in conclusion, Predators is one of those films that is NOT on "the fence", so to speak. It is absolutely terrible as a piece of art. No debate. Thus, every respectable film lover would have to hate it, with a passion. This is definitely now the film i will use to measure a person's depth of film knowledge/passion. It should really make a clear distinction as to who is respectable and who is not. :)
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The sense of humor's working perfectly! That's why I can laugh at all those pictures of you naked with Roman Polanski's cock in your mouth. Tee hee!
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I liked it.
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I know someone mentioned him using the voice of Bales Batman but I think its more like Keatons.
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I liked the movie overall, and loved the soundtrack especially. Solid effort, even if there were some missed opportunities.
For example, when Larry's character seems to be crazy by talking to an invisible person...I kept thinking it would have been better for when the Pred attacked that all of a sudden Larry's invisible friend actually exists and is using the cloaking tech just like he was, and it was actually a trap for the Pred. Otherwise, Fishburne wasn't fully utilized and my original idea of having an old Danny Glover in the jungle would have been much better for that small role, where he can add some meat to the story and sacrifice himself to save team Brody.
Anyway, great job overall for fans of the original movies. The Yakuza guy's fight was fun, as he was clearly the "Billy" of this version (the first to sense something in the trees, etc.). Some great lines for Goggins and Grace, and some fun additions to the Predator mythos with another race and some new tactics and weapons. -
A lot of posts have problems with Brody playing the merc. I also know when Evans picked to be CA in the movie, a lot of people had problems with that. Would be interesting to find peoples opinions after seeing cap's movie if Evans doesn't meet expectations. And would people say he did a worse job than Brody in predators.Evans has a harder role as CA is well, CA. Whereas Brody just had to create a believable unknown merc.
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I didn't expect Brody's "The Pianist". I expected explosions, death and mayhem. Thankfully, I got it. I certainly did not think at all that I wasted my money or didn't have a good time watching what I felt like was finally a good Predator movie. Part 2 sucked. The only thing cool with that was when he was in the ship and the other Predators came in to retrieve the dead one. I even had that "feeling" when Topher was in the hallway, and you knew he was going to throw a flare and have it bounce off a baddie... But you still get the chills and think, "Fuck, I would SO try to just kill myself than have one of those ugly muthafuckas do it.
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How could this have been any better? I sat in the theatre for 2 hours thrilled that I was watching a good Predator flick. Their is certainly some rose tinted memories of the original in this talk back (which wasn't actually an amazing flick by any means...) Samurai versus Predator sword fight... we're talking Zombie versus Shark level of geek insanity for Christ sakes. My head almost exploded from that awesomeness. Do yourself a favor and go see Predators, the best action flick of the summer.
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...you're obsessed with guns and underage sex, fantasize about your fellow talkbackers involved with both, and you have spectacularly poor judgment in making comparisons with classic sci-fi films. In other words, looks like you fit right in around here.
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....once again you prove you can't read - I NEVER compared Predators with a classic film....that wasn't the discussion and no one but you seemed to struggle with that (the discussion was about criticism vs. box office vs. free thought). It's unfortunate that you demand others have a sense of humor when it seems you truly have none; so your issue seems to not be a negligible ability to comprehend (or at least follow) the simplest of conversations....but that you're incapable of coherent thought and clarity. Unfortunate. Most Unfortunate.
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Jul 13, 2010 6:02:49 PM CDT
In a way i'm glad Predators came out because it makes P1/2 look
by takingscorpioscalls
Predator 1 and 2's status is now more higher when they now have a shitty Predator movie to be compared to.
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Sadly, it's you who missed the simplest, most obvious aspect of my first post - it was just *taking the piss*, you moron.I phrased it as a question, added a stupid smiley face - it was a perfectly obvious play on you going so far out of your way to say that you *weren't* comparing the two films. You seemed so wary of being taken the wrong way that playing at taking you the wrong way WAS THE MOST OBVIOUS JOKE IN THE WORLD at that point. The smiley face, and always-dumb device, was added to make sure you didn't think I was serious.Which, sadly, you did and have, in a clumsy, crude, ill-tempered way.So, you first thought I was misunderstanding you. Which I wasn't. Then you insult me. Then you again claim that I misunderstood, and claim I don't have a sense of humor, even though my first post was entirely humorous in nature. And every comment you've posted has utterly lacked any humor whatsoever.Keep spinning, pal, you're just falling further behind! :)
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Dance all you want...but you've been exposed for being a "post sifter". You simply didn't read and now want to pass it off as if you were "taking a piss". C'mon mate...show some intellectual integrity and just be honest with yourself, and us. Be well, my good man.
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...is not calling it "Predator 3". Because it isn't a sequel, it's a spin-off, a professionaly made piece of fan-fiction. So, after 20 years of waiting, I have to wait further. For: One(!)3rd Predator who kicks off as many asses as he can, muscles, sweat, heat, testosterone, massive action, great one-liners, intense tension, likeble characters displayed by a suitible cast (maybe you invite the expendables...), an intelligent original story and last but not least a new great Alan Silvestri score. It will be a hard (and expensive) thing to do! Correct me, if I missed something. And put in a goddamn choppa!
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Pass it off? Just re-read the original post yourself, forgetting about all the defensive nonsense you've built up...and you'll see how wrong you've been all along. You got annoyed, you lost control, and now it's you who's backpedaling. But I'm flattered with how much attention you've spendt - you were provoked far more than I thought possible by my original comment. Fun's fun, but now it's time for me to move on.
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Pass it off? Just re-read the original post yourself, forgetting about all the defensive nonsense you've built up...and you'll see how wrong you've been all along. You got annoyed, you lost control, and now it's you who's backpedaling. But I'm flattered with how much attention you've spent - you were provoked far more than I thought possible by my original comment. Fun's fun, but now it's time for me to move on.
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outweighed by the laughable moments. Laurence Fishburne's entrance was lame. Topher Grace's Edwin is not the kind of prey a Predator would hunt. I knew he was a Dr. Kevorkian/serial killer from a mile a way. Yakuza guy is a piss-poor too obvious analog for Billy. Super Predators were a lame attempt to one up the regular Predators like the Predaliens, and the Human/Alien clone from Alien: Resurrection. Adrien Brody is no where near as great as Arnie. And the kills weren't even that great. Predator 2 had better kills, cooler Predator weapons and added cooler stuff to the Predator canon than Predators.
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...now that you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself and confirmed all suspicions that you're a twat. Be well! Vaya con dios! You'll be missed....ok, I'm over-shooting.
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Not great by any means, but enjoyable enough. Far superior to the AVP flicks. And for what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised at how effective Brody was as the lead bad-ass.
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Did Harry ever review "Predators"?
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Jul 16, 2010 4:23:09 PM CDT
Watching Predators=stuffing face into warm diahrrea
by takingscorpioscalls
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Looks like the tomato-meter's on the fritz!And the gross is about 1/3 of Airbender's.But, it's on track to make the inflation-adjusted equivalent of Predator 2's original gross. For what it's worth.
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...had zero expectations; budget constraints never allowed us to have a huge action scene with prey verus loads of Predators. Was amazed by performance of Brody, a real bad ass. Some interesting twists, humour fell flat, some uninspired shots- not as good as the first two, better than the AVP films. Still think this series is done however without huge investment ($100 million plus budget) and visionary director/producer. Let's face it RR has spent his whole career mimicking other better filmakers...
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movie didn't aspire to high art, so the best it could be was good crap. the kind you see at in a rowdy theatre, don't care if you miss half the dialogue, and make fun of the second you leave. predators had a chance, but missed what was right there. predators hunt things? show them hunt something. other bizarre creatures fall in steel boxes? fight one. dude says he's a doctor? have him pretend to bandage a wound. the prisoner wants trejo's gun? have him at least think about taking it off the booby-trapped body -- or off any of the bodies. no one wanted anything in this movie, except to wander around in a game reserve and talk about surviving, and if they did want something, it evaporated a second later. brody's lines were terrible -- like they should have been -- but were said so seriously, it was hard to make fun of them later. good crap? ony decent. but if i can smell you, so can they.
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