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Mr. Beaks Reviews INCEPTION!

INCEPTION is Christopher Nolan's reward for a commercial assignment profitably executed: the opportunity to realize on a grand scale an idea that has intrigued him for the better part of a decade. In the studio tit-for-tat equation, this is the "one for me". It's the reason you start making movies in the first place. It's LAWRENCE OF ARABIA. APOCALYPSE NOW. GANGS OF NEW YORK. It's the the movie you stake your career on. It's the movie you make now. For most filmmakers, this project is a gamble; for Christopher Nolan, it's a shrewdly calculated risk. Though the narrative speeds ahead like a rapidly unfolding lucid dream, INCEPTION uses the familiar vernacular of the heist film to keep less attentive audiences engaged. Unlike other films that traipse across the boundless landscape of the unconscious mind, it's not a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. The central concept is simple: plant an idea in a character's mind in order to manipulate them into behaving in the best interest of a rival party. The particulars may be complex, but there's an emotional logic that drives the story forward. There are also wildly compelling action set pieces. In this regard, INCEPTION is a miracle: a multi-layered meditation on the unruly clutter of the subconscious that works sensationally well as a classical action film. It plays brilliantly on every conceivable level. Nolan's very few detractors have often knocked him for coldly constructing narratives that snap together like traps. His gift for precision is used against him: he's all brains, no heart. This is a concern of personal preference, I suppose, and generally cited by people who've likely never known the icy splendor of a Dashiell Hammett tome. Regardless, it won't be an issue with INCEPTION, which is built around one man's quest to see his children's faces again. And while Leonardo DiCaprio has never been the warmest of movie stars, he's believably devastated as Dom Cobb, a highly sought after agent of corporate espionage whose facility for navigating dreams has come at an awful price. It comes as no surprise that lucid dreaming is of particular interest to Nolan (it stands to reason that a control-freak storyteller would be fascinated by the idea of manipulating his unconscious thoughts), but while he goes to great lengths to explain the rules of dream theft, he stays pleasingly vague on the scientific details of entering another person's mind. This isn't a cheat. From the beginning, where we meet Cobb and his point man Arthur (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) completing their latest gig, the emphasis is on the obtainment of information (and its attendant perils), not the technology that makes such theft possible. And this works because Nolan has cut the whole film as if it takes place in a waking dream. It's an ideal use of cinematic language: the mundane details of traveling and arriving are elided in order to keep the dense story skipping along. Before Cobb can move forward with the mission that might wipe the slate clean and return him what remains of his family, he must enlist the assistance of a brilliant young architect (Ellen Page), who possesses the ability to create elaborate cityscapes that defy logic and trick the mind (M.C. Escher is leaned on heavily here). She's the audience surrogate to whom Cobb breaks down the do's and don'ts of dream exploration - one key concept being the potentially adversarial nature of another dreamer's "projections". And then there's Mal (Marion Cotillard), Cobb's persistent and pernicious manifestation of the woman with whom he ill-advisedly disappeared into an elaborate, jointly-created world. Mal is the one element of Cobb's memory that he cannot control; the lost love forever threatening to blow up the gig and keep him from seeing his children again. For a film that's clearly sprung from the deepest reaches of Nolan's creative mind, INCEPTION is appropriately enhanced by his boyhood preoccupation with James Bond movies (he admitted as much in a recent interview). During the deliriously intricate set piece which encompasses a good deal of the second act and some of the third, Nolan gets to pay ecstatic homage to ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE - as Hans Zimmer's score takes on lovely, invigorating John Barry dimensions. For all Nolan accomplishes as a storyteller with INCEPTION, what he pulls off with this extended sequence will be broken down and studied for years to come; this is probably giving too much away, but if you can think of a filmmaker who's deftly managed four globetrotting layers of interrelating action stretching across increasingly precarious levels of unconsciousness, then I'll back down from calling Nolan's achievement one of the greatest action set pieces ever put to film. Based on one viewing, I'm not ready to break INCEPTION down with any degree of assuredness. But I want to. God, how I want to. I haven't been this obsessed with a film since PRIMER, which I watched somewhere in the neighborhood of four times before hazarding a review (and ultimately calling it the fourteenth best film of the last decade). What's most exciting about INCEPTION is that it finds Nolan peaking as a visual artist; he's using the extravagantly cinematic tropes of other genres to connect with the viewer intellectually. With INCEPTION, Nolan joins the company of Coppola, Lean and not too many others as a filmmaker who treats the big canvas with the respect it deserves - but with the steely verve of a chess player who can see dozens of moves ahead. Pure cinema at its best feels like dreaming with your eyes wide open. Cinema doesn't get much purer than INCEPTION. Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • July 5, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    AWESOME

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • July 5, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    didn't read

    by L. Ron Bumquist

    don't want no spoilerige

  • July 5, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    NICE

    by RPLocke

    Won't read it. I know too much already.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Anything After

    by MattDomville

    ...a weekend of "Twilight" and "Last Airbender" would be a dream come true.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Can't wait...

    by Damnyou

    MIDNIGHT SHOWING! And hopefully unlike the Dark Knight the projector wont crap out twice during the film.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    too complicated= new blade runner

    by cottonheadedninnymuggins

    sorry, this blockbuster is going to be too high borw for the majority of its core audience. the producers might think that means they will go and see it twice, i very much doubt thats the case.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    This pleases me

    by AceofFreebase

    This pleases me greatly, looking forward to seeing this even more now

  • July 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    truly

    by redfishbluefish

    the only movie i'm really looking forward to this summer. can't wait.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Nolan and Leo Have Come to Save our Summer

    by paladinryan

    Thank God.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    sounds good

    by scadamz

    About time an original idea got the ok to own this lame movie yr.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    this is summer's only hope

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Im hoping it does indeed exceed expectations.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    this is summer's only hope

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Im hoping it does indeed exceed expectations.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Made sure review was positive

    by beetlegeuse

    didn't read the rest. I'll come back and read it after i've seen the movie

  • July 5, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Spoilers?

    by LordPorkington

    Therefore I cannot read this review. But I will be seeing the movie when it opens. It better be good!

  • July 5, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Spoiling does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Beaks, thank you for not filling your review with spoilerish material.<p> Methinks this is a film to 'discover'... Empire mag gave it 5 out of 5 btw.<p> Also like the ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE comparison... that happens to be my fave Bond.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this one...so I'll have to read...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...this later.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    NOT READING THIS

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    BLAHBLAHBLAH

  • July 5, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I didn't have any interest in this

    by paburrows

    but the more that I actually read about it the more and more that I really want to see it now.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    That's great, Beaks...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    But is it better than 'Bring It On'.<p>Because, according to you, The Dark Knight wasn't.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    CAN'T FUCKING WAAAAAIT

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    And Predators too! Opening up against the Sorcerer's Apprentice and Salt has me kind of worried, though, for how well it will do.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    ...damn, a lot of people want ot go in cold on this one.

    by FlickaPoo

  • July 5, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Good Review, Beaks

    by Iahael

    Harry, hey, anybody doing three paragraph hack jobs, this is what a real review looks like.I grok. T.'.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Spoiler Tag

    by mrbeaks

    You should know as little as possible about INCEPTION before your first viewing, so I added the spoiler warning. But if you're okay with light spoilers, you can read the review in its entirety. I don't come close to giving away the goods.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Lazenby? Really?

    by greyspecter

    Come to think of it, the movie itself wasn't too bad, but Lazenby's turn as 007 kinda tainted the whole film, like Peter Parker's dance scene in Spidey 3 was time a billion. (the dance scene was Lazenby's performance times a billion, not the other way 'round. Just to clarify). <p> Re: the movie, I'm breathless with anticipation. Though I'm not sure what set piece Beaks is referring to as the homage to OHMSS. The Space Needle lookalike where Blofeld was holed up with the girls?

  • July 5, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Couldn't possibly be more stoked

    by TheGreatHomsar

    To hell with the reactionaries who bash on Nolan just because his films are successful. Intellectual "mainstream" films are rarer than a neon-green panda these days; this is seriously the only film I am anticipating this summer, and Nolan hasn't let me down yet!

  • July 5, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this...

    by SoupBack

    But why are there no Predators reviews?

  • July 5, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I wanna see this.

    by The Dark Nolan

    And two positive Predators reviews so far as well. Can NOT wait for the Summer to really get started!!! Hey Nolan, prove you are really a genius and have Paul Walker play a main role in one of your films and make it good, then I'll bow down and worship you as my Lord and Savior!!!!

  • July 5, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Nolan is this gen's Stanley Kubrick

    by umbral_shadow_

    Beaks mentioned Coppola and Lean, but I would also throw in Kubrick. Like Kubrick, he is now a visual master with a fierce, cold intellectualism. Nolan is quite simply the most important film maker in the world today as far as big budget Hollywood productions go. Its no longer James Cameron. Nolan has surpassed Cameron.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Beaks, another limping spectacle of torn narrative tissue

    by BillboeFett

    just kidding, I enjoyed it. Well written. As in-depth and complex as a Nolan film :)

  • July 5, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Help us Nolan your are only hope!

    by Mr Soze

    I want to see this fucker.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Lazenby was Bond once for a reason.

    by RPLocke

    His movie was terrible.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Help us Nolan your are only hope!

    by Mr Soze

    I want to see this fucker.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Cameron

    by TheGreatHomsar

    What surprises me is that James Cameron went the George Lucas route and fell in love with his technology. Cameron's movies were always technically impressive, but they were always more "heart" than intellect. Avatar just didn't seem to have the same fire (in my biased, 3D-loathing, CGI-despising opinion, that is).

  • July 5, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Beaks, mate... a word of advice... don't link to your Best Films Of The Decade list. Don't ever link to that. Sweep it under the rug. Pretend it never happened.<p> You clawed back a teensy bit of credibility with this review - for god sake man don't shoot yourself in the foot by bringing that fucking list up again!<p> You're not Schindler and the list is not life. It's shite. Pure fucking shite.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Compare this review with Harry's Eclipse piece

    by TheGreatHomsar

    And you have AICN in a nutshell...

  • July 5, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The Last Bender will outgross this...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Too much brain food for the great unwashed.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    That list...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    proves what a pseudo-intellectual fraud Beaks truly is.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Cameron/Nolan/etc

    by Iahael

  • July 5, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    *SMALL SPOILER*

    by castoutthiswickeddreamthathasseizedmyheart

    A very fun film for those who enjoy sophisticated brain candy and a marked step forward for Nolan in terms of emotional impact, though he still doesn't know how to direct action. Could have done without the Total Recall ending. Not everyone will embrace the level of complexity, and at 30,000 times the expense of Primer, this movie is outlandishly ballsy. After the first weekend, the bottom will fall out of the teen demographic. Can't wait to see it again, though.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Beaks

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks for the spoiler-light review; it's appreciated. I'm already looking forward to this but I don't want to be influenced by a bunch of internet fanboy hype (or hate). Thanks for giving a thumbs-up without giving the whole thing away.<P>Now, I hope everyone is prepared for the cocksuck that AsimovLives is about to give Nolan in each and every one of AICN's INCEPTION reviews. You thought the Bay/Abrams rants were bad? Pfffttt.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    For Nolan to be the next Kubrick...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Inception will have to be REALLY impressive. I mean REALLY. And I don't mean impressive in an 'oh, this is a very smart, emotional and original summer blockbuster' kind of way. It will have to be one of the greatest movies ever made, and transcendent of geek genre entertainment in its intellect and examination of the human condition. And I very much doubt that it will be THAT good. You do not make those kind of comparisons lightly, unless you have only a superficial knowledge of cinema, which many geeks tend to have. <p>Inception will have to be MUCH more than a cool and clever genre film to have the right to be compared to Kubrick - and ditto for Beaks' (likely) absurd comparisons to Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse now. Don't write Nolan checks he can't cash; you are doing him a disservice. If Inception genuinely warrants such comparisons then I will take my hat off to the man.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Only movie I am looking forward too all summer

    by thatswhatshesaid

    thats sad.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Leo saved the Spring and Leo saved the summer

    by AshokForgiven

    Only good movie last Spring was Shutter Island, with Leo. Only good movie this summer is Inception, with Leo. <br><br> Seriously, DiCaprio is on a killing spree, my God.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Thank fuck

    by Amazing Maurice

    A REAL movie at last. Hope it makes a fortune.<P> Like thatswhatshesaid, its the only movie I've been interested in all year.<P>Well, this and Toy Story 3.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Obtainment?

    by Sw0rdfish

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    "though he still doesn't know how to direct action."

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    He certainly hasn't surpassed Cameron if that is the case. And " a marked step forward for Nolan in terms of emotional impact," sounds like faint praise. That review sounds much more legit and indicative of what I expect from Inception than Beaks' absurd hyperbolic praise. "A very fun film for those who enjoy sophisticated brain candy " - not La Dolce Vita, Tokyo Story or Barry Lyndon.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Inception will win the Oscar

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    And Nolan, Best Director.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    So, is it better than Matrix Revolutions?

    by RPLocke

  • July 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    This is how you write a review

    by syn_flood

    Articulate, structured, informative and not overly revealing. Harry should take note.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Turd...

    by castoutthiswickeddreamthathasseizedmyheart

    I would say Inception is, like a great mystery, elaborately conceived in a very fun way. Think Prestige times ten. But it is in no way as substantial as any of Kubrick's work. That would be like comparing Agatha Christie and Tolstoy. At the end of the day, Inception doesn't have much to say, much like Prestige. But it's great fun for those up to the challenge.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    WHAT BEAUTIFULLY COMPOSED, NIGH POETIC REVIEW

    by BringingSexyBack

    Surely the care given to this review is on par with the level of cinema that awaits us in Inception. I can't wait.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    I HAVE TO DISAGREE ABOUT LEO THOUGH

    by BringingSexyBack

    This guy leads the pack when it comes to acting range and ability. Granted, he hasn't done a comedy yet - but I really don't want him to. He's just great in dramatic roles. I love me some Leo.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    uh...gangs of new york?

    by FleshMachine

    how does that compare to Ap. Now and LoA?? A decent film yeah..but nowhere in the league of those other two let alone many of Scoseses other films.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    not La Dolce Vita, Tokyo Story or Barry Lyndon.

    by castoutthiswickeddreamthathasseizedmyheart

    Exactly. And it won't win any Oscars. As for the action, it's nowhere near Cameron. It's hard to make out logistics, objectives, and sometimes what we're looking at. (One gun battle plays out with all characters dressed in the same white outfits with faces almost entirely concealed.)

  • July 5, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    JGL. ARCHITECTURE. CITYSCAPES. A DREAM. OBSESSION.

    by BringingSexyBack

    Tell me this movie doesn't end on a park bench. On second thought, don't. I want to be surprised.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Nolan, Kubrick?? LOL!!!! not even close.

    by FleshMachine

    Kubrick made films that stand up to greatest works of art ever created in human history (2001 is better than the pyramids and the mona lisa x 1000). Nolan made batman movies. still this look neat.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I agree..fire harry

    by FleshMachine

    he's incompetent on every level.

  • July 5, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    ...I give Leo tons of respect for the way he tried his best...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...to do only quality work after the incomprehensible worldwide success of TITANIC.<P> I wouldn't wish navigating the icebergs of that kind of fame on my worst enemy...especially at the age he was at the time.<P> See what I did there?...with the icebergs?

  • July 5, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    castoutthiswickeddream, that's exactly what I thought

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I have no doubt that it's an excellent and inteligent piece of entertainment, but be prepared for the fanboy adulation to go into overdrive regardless. This will end up as the No.1 rated movie on IMDB, you can be assured of that.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Blade Runner failed at the box office

    by umbral_shadow_

    It means absolutely nothing if Inception makes no money. Not a thing. In fact, I would probably have MORE respect for it knowing that the great unwashed masses avoided Inception like the plague. The films that make money are dumbed down eye candy with a simplistic message that resounds with a kindergarten pre-schooler. And if Inception fails financially, Nolan has Batman 3 to get him back into the studio's good books. It won't affect his career one iota.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    No way this movie makes it's budget back.

    by Nerd Rage

    Nolan should've put a couple of farting robots in the trailer.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    FleshMachine...

    by UltimaRex

    You do know what 2001 is about right? (Also Sprach Zarathustra is a big clue)

  • July 5, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Turd ...

    by castoutthiswickeddreamthathasseizedmyheart

    Yeah it is fanboy crack. Like a $200 million Donnie Darko. Much better than that movie, but you know what I'm saying.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    On topic.

    by UltimaRex

    Superman news?

  • July 5, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    And boom goes the dynamite.

    by IndustryKiller!

    As Nolan takes his place as one of the great modern directors of today. I think three more great films and he takes his place in the pantheon. My God I can't wait for this.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Kubrick bored me shitless...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    ....And I'm not trolling here - genuinely, his intellectuality (if that's what it is) leaves me bored every time. Take THE SHINING. I don't care how many takes this movie took to film, in the end - it's boring. The ending would have been far superior sticking to the book's. Sheley Duvall is outstanding in the movie, sure - I've seldom seen stark raving fear put across as viscerally as she does in this movie. But Nicholson is simply having too much fun as the lunatic, and watching him enjoy hamming up that role kind of undermines the fear his character is meant to put into us. The dream-like sequences were also just boring, and as great as the blood in the corridor scene was, I just can't for the life of me see why it gets so lauded.<P> 2001. Great, but seriously far-out towards the end. Prefer the novel.<P> FULL METAL JACKET. Loved this movie, but it's very much a movie of two halves - and the second half is vastly inferior to the first, which ends when basic training does. Ironically, of all the Kubrick movies I've seen, this seems to have the most heart - even if the humanity in this is we viewers watching disbelievingly as R Lee Ermey systematically dehumanises the new recruits to the point that one of them snaps.<P> I could go on, but I needs to sleep. Can any of you recommend any Kubrick movies to me that aren't in this list?? (Don't bother with EYES WIDE SHUT - it was intriguing, at times impressive, but the short story is much better - and I DID love A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, so no need to defend that one). I'm interested to hear a Kubrick fanatic explain to me why his movies are supposedly such masterpieces.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    On meaning.

    by UltimaRex

    I was looking over Beak's top 25. A.I. Who gets the end of that movie?

  • July 5, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute.

    by ROBRAM89

    I just read the Primer snippet from the Best Of Article. At the end, he compares it to...MEMENTO. I'm caught in a Moebius strip.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Did you see that ol' Faraci gave it 10/10? His personal Nolan-Hell must have truly frozen over.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    You can't fire Harry...

    by UltimaRex

    Seeing as IT'S HIS SITE. What? You didn't notice?

  • July 5, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Wow...no mention of Tom Hardy or Watanabe

    by TheWaqman

    It looks to me like they'll be the ones stealing the movie.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST!!!!!!

    by james4543

  • July 5, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST

    by james4543

  • July 5, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    a new phrase " IN NOLAN WE TRUST "

    by james4543

  • July 5, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Great review, Mr. Beaks!

    by SkinJob69

    I am now beyond psyched to see this.<p> And I was so happy to see you appreciated Primer! I've bought the DVD for several friends- "I don't want to give away the plot, man, but just watch this."- and they've all loved it. Amazingly complex but tight story. Kudos for help getting the word out on that one.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    People are comparing this to Kubrick?

    by RPLocke

    HUH?

  • July 5, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    2001 IS AN AHEAD-OF-ITS-TIME CLASSIC, SURE

    by BringingSexyBack

    But like others have said, his body of work as a whole is not exactly unassailable. Eyes Wide Shut was better off unmade for everyone involved. If Inception is as great as Beaks says, then Nolan absolutely deserves to be listed along with the greats. Maybe not alongside Kurosawa, but Coppola and Scorcese, sure.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    IN TROLLING WE RUST!!!!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Oh wait. You know what I meant.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    An embarrassing question...

    by CountryBoy

    Can someone explain he greatness of Kubrick to me? I get that he's coldly intellectual and hyper-intense, but the few films by him I've seen were extraordinarily uninvolving. Are there any concrete criteria by which his reputation can be explained?

  • July 5, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    GANGS OF NEW YORK????

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    C'mon, that's not even close to being good. I will check this out dough.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    IN POLAND WE DUST!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Oh shit. I've never even been to Poland.<p>I'll get this right. Just you wait and see.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Just like Blade Runner?

    by RPLocke

    Shit, that means it will be popular in about 20 years.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I got a bad feeling about this.

    by C3_POsCockoil

  • July 5, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Nolans first academy award

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    it awaits you c-Nol

  • July 5, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    IN LAWN BOWLING WE THRUST!!!!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Fuck it.<p>I'm giving up on this.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    And as for comparing Nolan to Cameron...

    by CountryBoy

    Cameron was always, until AVATAR, a master of action, story structure and sharp dialogue. (AVATAR stumbled on all three.) Nolan, however, writes fairly flat dialogue, doesn't have much of a handle on structure, and is a confusing director of action. (Maybe INCEPTION changes that -- though it doesn't sound like it.) Maybe post-AVATAR Cameron has lost it, but Nolan has yet to have it...

  • July 5, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    keep crying because Dark Knight is better the Iron Man

    by james4543

  • July 5, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    The first reviews on this thing are very positive

    by jimmay

    The term "masterpiece" has been used in at least two I've read (out of maybe six total yet). That's a damn good start.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    IN BONING WE THRUST

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's true. Look it up.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy...

    by UltimaRex

    Forgot about Titanic did we? "Iiice-beerg, deed ahid!" Say what you like about Avatar it's just a kiddie and teen girl friendly rehash of Aliens. Titanic makes me want to puke.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST

    by james4543

  • July 5, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Still don't knoiw why Avatar gets slammed

    by RPLocke

    Ever see Abyss? Now that's shit.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    GONY

    by mrbeaks

    It's a risk-it-all passion project from a great filmmaker. That's the intended analogy. I think it's an interesting failure with sporadic moments of brilliance.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    james4543

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Give it a rest.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Faraci gave it 10/10!

    by umbral_shadow_

    "I wanted to stand up and applaud". Hell has officially frozen over. Get your ice skates on.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Nolan > Cameron.

    by UltimaRex

    Until Nolan makes something as shitty as Titanic. Then we'll talk.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    TITANIC'S ENDING MAKES ME VERKLEMPT EVERY DAMN TIME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Now that's love, people.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    THERE'S NO SCHOOL LIKE NOLAN SCHOOL AND HE THE FUCKINGHEADMASTER

    by Canidate_Micheal

    From the first trailer I've been hooked. Nolan continually creates worlds that blow me away

  • July 5, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    YOU CAN'T EVER PREDICT WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT CLASSIC

    by BringingSexyBack

    I mean, I went into (500) Days of Summer just to check it out because the trailers were cool. I came out a transformed man. Whodathunkit.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy, those are not credible claims

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "Cameron was always, until AVATAR, a master of action, story structure and sharp dialogue. (AVATAR stumbled on all three.)"<p>The last 30 minutes of Avatar was a masterclass in action filmmaking, and the film was superbly and exactingly stuctured, just like Cameron's other films. Sorry, but anybody who knows anything about scriptwriting or action direction could not possibly criticize Avatar along those lines. A lack of sharp dialogue is the only credible claim amongst those three, and it's true that the film was far less quotable than the Terminators or Aliens - not bad dialogue, just perfunctory, apart from a few scenes. <p>And for all those ridiculous Cameron bashing Nolan fans - your hero liked Avatar. From the NY times interview:<p>Nolan: An original concept – a world the audience hasn’t entered into before – for me as a filmgoer, that’s the most exciting thing. What I responded to with “Avatar,” for example, was just not really knowing what it until I sat down to watch it in the movie theater. I really enjoyed it.<p> Q.But in that case, they did a fair amount – maybe even an unprecedented amount – of planting the seed with a certain kind of audience.<p> Nolan: I think they were being incredibly ambitious on two fronts: one was, creatively, with the depth of the world they were creating. The other was the technology, the specific technology. We’re putting this out the old-fashioned way.<p> Q.You’re not being ambitious at all?<p> Nolan: Well, we’re being technically very ambitious, but in a more traditional film presentation way." <p>So suck on it, fanboys. Cameron, too, has gone on record as praising The Dark Knight. There is mutual respect between the two. Something the idiot fanboys would do well to take a cue from.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Just so you know BringingSexyBack...

    by UltimaRex

    Now I am never seeing (500) days of summer. I get the feeling that movie will make me want to kill someone with my bare hands.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I ENJOYED TWILIGHT: ECLIPSE MORE THAN IM2, ROBIN HOOD

    by BringingSexyBack

    and Prince of Persia. That's the thing about the age of movies we're living in now. It doesn't matter who the director is, or what the director has done before. Every new work is the filmmaker's new benchmark, and that's why I want to piss in Jon Favreau's mouth.

  • July 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Nolan has an excellent grip on stucture

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    His films are like intricate clockwork puzzles. Where he falls down is his action direction and flat visual sense.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    "Faraci wanted to stand up and applaud"

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Why is that loathsome beast still living? Until he apologises for rating GI Joe and Terminator Salvation above The Dark Knight, he can go fuck himself.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Turd...

    by UltimaRex

    And I wonder what's worse. The fact that Avatar is a rehash of Aliens or the fact it's one of the better movies out there.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    ULTIMA - YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's just plain crazy.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    UltimaRex...

    by CountryBoy

    You may be right, I don't remember TITANIC well enough. But I don't recall being really bored during it, and I do recall a sense that it built well to a big climax. (Come to think of it, Cameron's dialogue was already getting kind of corny way back then.) To be honest though, I just wasn't really thinking about it right now. My bad?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    People who stand up and applaud after movies

    by RPLocke

    pity them.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I DIDN'T STAND AND APPLAUD AFTER (500)

    by BringingSexyBack

    I was too stunned and my throat was in my stomach.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Please please please Make Superman!!

    by liljuniorbrown

    I'm begging like a dog. I'm a huge fan of all things Superman and I can't imagine anyone else getting the material perfect.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Leo Dicaprio WILL be Superman

    by RPLocke

    Mark my words.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    HOW COULD YOU NOT LIKE WHEN TITANIC WAS SINKING?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That sequence was badass.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I DID APPLAUD AFTER TWILIGHT: ECLIPSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    When in Twilight, do as the girls do.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    He should do Paprika because thats grander!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    But Inception is going to be the best movie of the year!

  • July 5, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Avatar is nothing like Aliens..

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    In tone, theme, visual palette, or story. The only superficial comparisons are to be made regarding the marines, robo-suits and gunships, and Michelle Rodriguez as a Vasquez-like chracter. And what the fuck is wrong with that anyway - the more space marines stuff in movies the better. <p>Actually, what was cool about Avatar is that it was a reversal of aliens in a sense. This time the marines were the bad guys and the aliens the good. Jake, and Neytiri astride a giant black monster, fighting Quaritch's amp suit was a mirror image of Aliens powerloader battle. But the rest of the film is nothing at all like Aliens. <p>Hey, Inception is just The Dark Knight without Btaman characters! The visual palette looks the same as Nolan's Batmans.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by CountryBoy

    I felt I'd seen the battle at the end of AVATAR 1000 times the first time I saw it. Good guys and bad guys flying around shooting at each other... I mean it wasn't incompetent, it was just rote.<p>As for structure, AVATAR's boring, derivative structure has been hashed over so many times in so many places I don't think I need to repeat it. Again, I don't mean it was incomprehensible or inept, just dull and "been there done that." AVATAR wasn't a fiasco, just blah.<p> And Nolan's strucure issues aren't about logic gaps or loose ends, they're more like an inability to tell a story that flows and builds in satisfying, unexpected ways to an engaging, powerful conclusion. That's something where Cameron generally stood out (AVATAR (and maybe TITANIC) excepted), and Nolan may on INCEPTION; but so far, no.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy...

    by UltimaRex

    Well, I do remember Titanic. I remember it and you reminded me and it's a good thing no one is around me right now. Good thing for my legal status.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    "Ever see Abyss? Now that's shit."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I pity you, lockesbrokenleg.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for Harry's review

    by umbral_shadow_

    That big stupid lump of lard won't get it. He'll pretend he gets it but it doesn't "do" anything for him. It will tax his brain too much. With any luck, his head will explode a la Scanners.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Ultima, sorry to bring up painful memories...

    by CountryBoy

  • July 5, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by RPLocke

    That's all from you? No swears? No caps?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I ENJOYED PISSING IN MY OWN MOUTH MORE THAN TWILIGHT

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Ah, who am I kidding.<p>I've never seen Twilight.<p>BUT! If I did... then I'd piss in my own mouth just to see which was more enjoyable.<p>And whether my cock was big enough to perform such a Herculean task.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    AVATAR WAS SHIT

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    M Night Shamadamadingdong is now a massive fail.<p>Oh. We're talking about the other one?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    I didn't even pay to see Tit.

    by UltimaRex

    Do you have any idea how bad a movie has to be to piss me off... For free?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    In Defense of Kubrick

    by DmitryPortnoy

    Dear Spud_McSpud_Returns: You asked, "Can anyone recommend Kubrick movies to me that aren't on this list?" and "Would one of you who is a Kubrick fanatic explain to me why his movies are so great?" The answer to your first question is easy: "Paths of Glory," "Spartacus," "Dr. Strangelove," "Barry Lyndon." In addition to the ones you name, "2001," "A Clockwork Orange," "The Shining" and "Full Metal Jacket," they form the canon of Kubrick masterpieces. (I exclude "Lolita" because despite James Mason and Shelley Winters, and because of Sue Lyon and Peter Sellers it's ultimately an abstruse early exercise in snark.) The second answer is even easier to answer: Kubrick made movies. Let's take it one word at a time: KUBRICK made movies. Every one of his films bears his artistic imprint, that's instantly recognizable, but big and varied enough to be interesting. It fits the material and also reflects the man. It's like Rembrandt's painting style or Hemingway's writing style. At the same time, KUBRICK made the movies, not one of Kubrick's imitators. Kubrick never copies himself, never repeats himself. Despite the stylistic similarities, all his movies are different from each other in subject, theme, mood, look, period, pacing, and every other aspect you can name. "Lolita," "Dr. Strangelove," "The Shining," and "Eyes Wide Shut" may all be set in contemporary America, "2001" and "A Clockwork Orange" both in the near future, "Paths of Glory" and "Full Metal Jacket" both in war, "Spartacus" and "Barry Lyndon" in a histoical-costumed past, but they all take place in different universes. Kubrick MADE movies. He initiated his own projects. He adapted the screenplays. He designed the look of the film, filling thousands of pages of notebooks with sketches and photographs. He cast the films and actually directed the actors by talking to them and sharing the same space with them on the set. He shot the films himself holding a camera he owned and modified through a lens he himself designed. He cut the films. He supervised the music. He designed the advertising campaign. He went to the theaters where the film was playing to personally adjust the framing, focus, brightness and sound levels. And even more importantly, he did all this while having fruitful, mutually rewarding collaborations with writers, cinematographers, set and costume designers, editors, actors and studio executives. Stanley Kubrick knew how to make a movie better than anyone before, during, or since. Finally, Kubrick made MOVIES. He did not make cartoons. He made awesome things happen, and then shot them. And those awesome things were real. His centrifuge in "2001" or the Outlook Hotel in "The Shining" will never age as a special effect, because they were not composited, not CG'd, they were actually there. The cockpit of the bomber in "Dr. Strangelove" was so real, the Air Force actually contacted the production to ask how they got the top-secret specs. (They didn't. Stanley figured it out from various publicly available articles.) That's how you make a real movie. Kubrick made movies. KUBRICK MADE MOVIES. And that's the answer to your question.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    DmitryPortnoy

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Good post!

  • July 5, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Turd...

    by UltimaRex

    "...what was cool about Avatar is that it was a reversal of aliens in a sense..." Which means it's like Aliens right? Ah, don't mind me. I'm just I'm a bad mood right now <p>I wonder why?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    DmitryPortnoy

    by umbral_shadow_

    Bravo. You deserve a standing ovation, sir.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "As for structure, AVATAR's boring, derivative structure has been hashed over so many times"<p>That's not the same thing as bad structure.<p>"I felt I'd seen the battle at the end of AVATAR 1000 times the first time I saw it. Good guys and bad guys flying around shooting at each other... I mean it wasn't incompetent, it was just rote.<p>You haven't seen it done better, certainly not for a long time, given the MTV edited junk that passes for action today. And how exactly is the vague point of a battle between good guys and bad 'rote'? That's just traditional storytelling. What the hell else was the movie supposed to have? Avatar was a terrifically structured linear story, which was appropriate given the kind of story it was attempting to tell. Ther hero's journey SHOULD climax in an epic battle.<p>As for Nolan, who deals in psychological thrillers for the most part and therefore employs non-linear structures appropriate to that end, in what sense do his films not build to a powerful conclusion? The ending of Memento doesn't build to a revelation of that film's them or the tragedy of the main character's predicament? Or the revelation of The Prestge, where the curtain is metaphorically pulled back (when it was laways in plain sight for those who looked closely enough? Those are psychological thrillers and must conform to such, so those types of movies certainly wouln't be inclined to have action or emotionally peaking last acts. His conclusions (and unconventional structures) are appropriate to his material - same as Cameron's.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    fuck. yes.

    by yabory

    this is the movie i've been waiting for all year. can't fucking wait.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Ultimarex, NO.

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I am talking in a vague sense only. Avatar's story is completely different to Aliens. Did you just miss the last part of what I wrote: "But the rest of the film is nothing at all like Aliens."

  • July 5, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Dmitry, that's kind of the answer I feared...

    by CountryBoy

    I know you weren't addressing me, but I had the same question as Spud, and your answer isn't really satisfying. Everything you attribute to Kubrick is laudable, but it doesn't say why his movies are great. He maintained a style, did it all himself, it was all real... I admire all that. But how did that make the movies good?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary: Come again?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    "because they were not composited, not CG'd,"

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Ah, the old, 'it's great because it's not CGI' argument. Except this - Kubrick was no luddite when it came to technology (which unfortunately Nolan seems to be). He was enthusiastic and ahead of the curve when it came to new technologies, and was intrigued by the possibilities of CG. In fact, he planned to use it liberally on AI. The ILM techs he consulted for the project were astounded by his knowlege on the subject. If he'd been alive today, he would be planning to use moc-cap and CGI in one his projects, have no doubt of that. He would have relished the exact control it would have given him over environments and actor's performances, for a start.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Kubrick had groundbreaking films in every genre

    by Nerd Rage

    Nolan has a couple "twist" movies and a couple of realistic Batman movies. He hasn't proven himself to be the artist that Kubrick was. Inception may put him one step closer but he still has a long way to go.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Kubrick's brilliance lies in the fact that he

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    examined cinematic technique like a chess player, and in turn manipulated it and re-arranged it to examine profound subject matter in a revealing way. Much like a poet can reveal the truth about something by applying imagery and meter in an uncoventional way and making the familiar appear fresh. In essence, he shattered the fourth wall of cinema. That is the highest level of art.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Alright Turd...

    by UltimaRex

    I could go on and on how Avatar is Aliens in new clothes but I can't be assed. Just tell me this, how is Burke in Avatar different than Burke in Aliens?

  • July 5, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by CountryBoy

    I agree, AVATAR didn't have "bad" structure. But it just felt like Cameron grabbed it from countless other movies, filled with cliches srtaight out of a Joseph Campbell primer. And a sharp, powerful, unpredictable plot was something he could usually be counted on before that. Maybe we're talking about different things. But the Cameron of T2 or ALIENS feels like a different person from AVATAR Cameron, structure-wise.<p>The battle at the end was no better than the air or space battles in the SW prequels. Ep. III was on the other night, and I was totally engrossed in the opening fight above Coruscant, much more than the end of AVATAR. Again, I'm not saying Cameron did a terible job, just that I've seen it before. And he was once cutting-edge.<p>Nolan and structure -- I was actually going to exempt MEMENTO from that, because it works well. But his other movies... I don't know how to explain it, and maybe I can't. But some movies just feel tight and solid and they carry you along. TERMINATOR and T2 do, JAWS and STAR WARS and RAIDERS do, lots of others do... and Nolan movies sort of wander around. I think they SHOULD have a powerful climax, and not be excused because psychological thrillers "don't do that." Hitchcock certainly didn't think so. <p>Who knows, INCEPTION may change all this. But I still don't see Nolan being anywhere near the heights Cameron scaled -- and nor, sadly, do I see Cameron himself.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Nolan pwns Cameron for sci-fi movie of the year.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

    Take that blue boy.

  • July 5, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Selfridge is different than Burke

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    because Burke was a guy who appeared friendly and then was revealed to be a heartless monster. Selfridge was a prick who initially only appeared to be interested in the bottom line who later revealed himself to have somewhat of a conscience. Simple, eh?

  • July 5, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see this

    by SlickyVonBoner

    so I didn't read the review cause I don't want to spoil myself. Nolan can't miss. I need a movie to rape my mind and leave me for dead on the floor. It's been awhile since I have been mind-fucked in the theaters.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I respect Nolan more than Cameron, even as I hate TDK.

    by Ash Talon

    Nolan and Cameron are similar, as they both are great craftsman in cinematic storytelling. Nolan, on one hand, gives us emotionally flat films, while Cameron, on the other, likes to touch our emotions with paint-by-numbers cliches. Therefore, it comes down to what kind of a viewer are you? Spock or Bones?<p> Both of their projects, like all films, rest on casting choices. I feel that Nolan has been generally aware of his shortcomings and casts leads that can make up for his coldness. Except for Christian Bale, who apparently spends no time around other human beings and doesn't understand how to mimic their emotions. Cameron, like Nolan, has sought out the emotionally vapid Sam Worthington to portray humanity. Both filmmakers must be so arrogant in their skills, that they think they cant pull emotional performances from flesh-covered robots. <p> It all comes down to how these directors treat their audience. Nolan seems to be doing his own thing, and damn the audience if they don't emote. Cameron feels compelled to spoon-feed the audience emotional content which seems familiar to them (becasue it is). I guess I'll take cold intellect over cliched sentimentality. Although, I'm not necessarily proud of it.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Yet Another Rip-Off Of "Dark City", I See?

    by Media Messiah

    The "Matrix" ripped-off "Dark City", as well as "The 13th Floor", and of course, "The Cell"...and now, not to be out-done, Christopher Nolan rips-off all of the previous films...that ripped-off Dark City, while managing to rip it off himself...this in the form of "Inception"?<BR><BR>Stealing from others, and claiming the credit for yourself, never ceases in Hollywood, does it?

  • July 5, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    John Wayne, given your litany of idiotic comments in

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    one of the previous threads that revealed how stupid you truly are, I'd keep quiet if I were you.<p>Tell me, you still think "Avatar 2 is going to bomb (just like the first, eh?) and that 'everyone' in the world thought Avatar was shit and wanted their money back"?! Hahahahahahahahah!!! Know that Avatar 2 is probably going to make a TRILLION dollars, and I hope it drives you trolls to fucking MADNESS.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    by 00rth0

    Contrary to the opinion expressed above about how terrible "Majesty" was, many Bond fans consider it to be among the very best of the series. One may debate the quality of Lazenby's performance, but given the shoes he had to fill at the time....(think replacing Ford, or Arnold in roles they created immediately following their respective peaks) Unlike many Bonds before and since, the narrative of OHMSS is straightforward and taut. Nolan could have had far far worse films to admire and inspire him.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Ash Talon, Cameron is Kirk

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Heart with brains. Bay is Bones. Nolan is Spock. Kubrick is Spock's father. Note that I'm making the character comparisons to the originals, and not the Jar Jar shitfest bastardisations of them (turned into Asimov for a second there).

  • July 5, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Avatar 2 is Cameron's big test

    by umbral_shadow_

    Will he just do the first film again, but underwater? I'll bet my house that Jake and Neytiri have a son who has the neuro chemicals that will unite Pandora and free it from the humans - i.e he is another John Connor. The humans realise this and go to kill him a la T2, and Jake and Neytira protect him. In four years time please refer back to this post - I'm betting I'm right.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    OHMSS would have been the best Bond ever...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Had it featured Connery. Lazenby isn't as bad as all that, but his acting is limited. They had to dub his voice when he impersonates the scottish laird in Blofeld's ski lodge.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Umbral_Shadow...you're wrong

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That's Avatar 3 you're talking about.<P>I'm dying to find out, however, if my prediction of Inception's twist ending is correct.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Jake and Neytiri and son

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Like the wookie scenes in the Star Wars Holiday special.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    00rth0

    by RPLocke

    OHMSS is a pretty average Bond movie. It tries to be serious, but Bond sleeps with 79 year old women in this movie.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Now this is a great review.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Nicely done, sir.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Didn't they do this in a cartoon episode of Beetlejuice?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I often have lucid dreams.<BR> The first thing I do is start flying around looking for babes. <BR><BR> Or, I try to communicate with somebody.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Nolan Is A Hack

    by Media Messiah

    Hacks steal from others, and don't dare mention their inspirations, the difference between a theft, and a inspiration. Nolan is not a brilliant filmmaker, no, he is a overhyped...banal, and very anal, technician who got lucky based upon an editing gimmick in the form of his first film. Nolan's Batman films are self-important, strangely boring, and emotionless--save for that which is dour, and just plain distant? The fight choreography was lost in a blur of bad editing, as with all the Batman films, past and present, and Batman is always the same monotone Batman/Bruce Wayne. "Pitty me, my parents were murdered, I'm angry, and crime must pay!" Yes, we've heard it all before, and it is becoming self parody, as Batman/Wayne lacks other parts of human personality, and action, and that makes him dull?" As well, the script and editing structure of "TDK" was horrid.<BR><BR>If not for Heath Ledger's death, I am certain that film would have gotten many bad reviews--but human pity for Ledger's passing...prevented any real critical opinion from being launched at that film, instead, we got lie after lie that TDK is a great film, something that became false Urban Legend for a time, based upon the hype that fueled it.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    RP.........

    by 00rth0

    Huh? Gee, he bedded Irma Bunt too? Must have been in the "Directors Cut".

  • July 5, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Oh jeez I just went in my pants

    by elBox

    Nolan has proven himself to be the best director of this generation. It's been so long since I've been as excited about an original idea movie like this. Thank baby Jesus that the studio hacks haven't torn this man apart yet.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    DID YOU REALLY THINK INCEPTION BEING RELEASED IN THE SUMMER

    by BringingSexyBack

    was just a coincidence? How naive you are.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Wow even Devin gave it a 10 out of 10 on Chud....

    by odo19

    and he fucking hates Nolan and always trashes his movies....but on the other hand he has awful fucking taste. Not sure how to take this news.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    ART IS SUBJECTIVE. GOOD TASTE IS NOT.

    by BringingSexyBack

    That is all.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    i find it intresting

    by godhatesusall

    how one director has to be better or that it seems some people feel they are owed something by hollywood, werid, and as for you media messiah, uh that is kinda who Batman is, nolan may be too smart for you to appreciate fully, with your ant like brain, and yes yes everyone here feels your pain since your inflate a date girlfriend commited suicide by jumping on a pin cussion to get away from you, see isn't it fun to hate on someone you dont know ;)

  • July 5, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    DO I FIND THE DARK KNIGHT PERFECT? NO.

    by BringingSexyBack

    Would I rather it be directed by the likes of Joel Schumacher, Michael Bay, M. Night Schamalan? Hell no.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    00rth0 hahah

    by RPLocke

    All I remember is that old lady he sleeps with after the dinner party with all the ladies in in. Oh, and Bond wears a kilt in the movie. Uh Yeah.

  • July 5, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah - bitter much?

    by umbral_shadow_

    Nolan is a technician who got lucky? And what have you been smoking today?

  • July 5, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I WOULDN'T CALL NOLAN A HACK

    by BringingSexyBack

    I just wouldn't.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I hate the way Beaks assumes...

    by Knuckleface

    ...that he knows what Nolan was thinking.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK OUT TWILIGHT: ECLIPSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm not saying it's Inception great, but it's a pretty decent vampire and werewolf flick. IMO it's better than Underworld 2 and 3.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    OHMSS and Kubrick

    by Hipshot

    1) OHMSS was my favorite Bond movie until Casino Royale. Lazenby's performance was raw (and only annoying in the first scene with Teresa's father, where he couldn't seem to hold the screen during the monologue), but he was actually rather endearing, and if he hadn't been a tool, probably would have done fine in the role. As a whole, it was the only Bond movie that let him have genuine emotion, and probably closer to the source material than any Bond in years. Loved it. 2) Opinions vary, of course. But Kubrick is on almost every major critics list of top five filmmakers of all time. 2001 is my favorite film of all time. It is structured specifically to represent the "awe and mystery" (to borrow a term from the Outer Limits) that might accompany contact with an alien species. The novel was written AFTER the screenplay--the only stuff that existed prior to Kubrick and Clarke meeting was two short stories: 1) "The Sentinel", about the finding of an alien artifact on the moon and 2) "Take a Deep Breath" which detailed a short helmetless trip through vacuum. ## The novel "2001" was, in essence, Clarke's novelization of the screenplay he wrote...wait for it...with Kubrick. ## And by the way, just for fun: Kubrick provided "ghost" cinematographer advice on "The Spy Who Loved Me." The cinematographer (whose name I forget, but had worked with Kubrick on either "2001" or "Dr. Strangelove," which comes as close to being a perfect movie as I can think) couldn't figure out how to light the tanker scene. Called on his buddy Stanley who was smuggled onto the set and gave him advice, on the condition that no one know about it until he was dead and gone. I'm just sayin'

  • July 5, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    You all love Nolan now...

    by Mr. Profit

    And you foolishly shit on other people like Cameron for no fucking reason. Disrespecting a filmography that has inspired other directors to either build on what they have seen him do, or shamelessly imitate him. <p>The fact that a lot of you fuckers pit them against each other solely because "Avatar" soared past the box office take of "The Dark Knight" shows how fucking dumb some talkbackers can be. <p>You are all building up Nolan (and tearing down everyone else) that I would love to see when all the talkbackers who have his dick in their mouths turn on him something awful in 2-3 years... Because it's what you guys do. Build someone one up and say "HE IS THE BEST DIRECTOR EVER!!!!" then a few years later you start retconning the praise with some bullshit. <P> Like the assholes who say that "T2" is crap or how "Temple of Doom" is worse than "Crystal Skull"... <p>Can't you like a movie without foolishly trashing another in the process? Cameron vs Nolan is about as bullshit as Britney vs Christina. <p>I hope "Inception" is a good movie. But reviews full of over the top praise, and now Devin liking it leave me feeling it won't live up to my expectations...

  • July 5, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    "to keep less attentive audiences engaged"

    by Star Hump

    That's why The Dark Knight was such a big hit, Beaks.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Oh and BringingSexyBack

    by Mr. Profit

    "(500) Days of Summer" was great because it was painfully honest and realistic in its depiction of a relationship. Every man cam relate to the character of "Tom Hansen". And the "Expectations vs Reality" sequence in the end fucked me up because I have sadly been there... Great movie, don't know why many hate it site unseen. <P>But you're alone on "Eclipse"... Saw it and I thought it was boring.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah is a hack...

    by Knuckleface

    Anyone who passes judgement on a film based on 'the editing of the fight choreography' is a retard.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Many Spoile rs in the review?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    So excited for this movie and want to read about it, but don't want to know too much.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Memento is Nolan's best film...

    by kevred

    ...by a landslide, in my opinion. Batman Begins was a messy bore. Dark Knight was nice, but seemed cold and empty, like its setting. And I thought Ledger was a bit overrated - kind of a one-note performance. Insomnia was underrated.<p>That said, I'm quite looking forward to Inception. It looks like it's going back to a more creative style of storytelling. Considering that all the 'big' films this year have been bad, it's nice to think of seeing this, Harry Potter, and Tron before the end of this year. Oh, and Expendables, too...

  • July 5, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    PROFIT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Right on bro. Couldn't agree with you more. Literally. <P> As for Eclipse, it's not everyone's cup of tea and yes, there is a lot of talking (which was my problem with New Moon) but this one was much better. I still say it surpasses Underworld with its depiction of vampires and werewolves. The part where Edward asks if Jacob owns a shirt? Got me to chuckle.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Spoiler Alert...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Leo turns out to be a dress wearing FBI Director in the end.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    So, it's like Shutter Island but with cooler effects?

    by RPLocke

  • July 5, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Love the beginning of this review

    by joshtownsend

    Tit for Tat.......brilliant way to put it.....

  • July 5, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by Mr. Profit

    Not a “Twilight” hater here. Everyone needs to geek out on something. I know plenty of intelligent women who love “Twilight” but also treat it like a vice. So the “lonely fat girl” stereotype is stupid. All that said, I have seen all 3 movies. And I have to say they are just not really attempting to adapt the material in a way that would create a memorable experience for the moviegoer. <p> “Twilight” was just a flat looking movie that had spotty acting. “New Moon” looked better visually, but it continued to have a huge problem, the acting of Stewart, Pattinson, and Lautner. All 3 are so inconsistent and do nothing to make the triangle believable enough to be invested in if you are over 13.<p> “Eclipse” is all over the place. The look is flat again. The CGI is spotty (especially during the mountaintop scene). Nothing is done to make “Victoria” a bigger threat. This showdown was teased and built up since the end of “Twilight”, yet she is barely shown in the film save for running away and finally a very quick final fight. The selling point of this movie having “more action” is misleading as the battle in the end is over relatively quickly. <p>Stewart acts better in this movie, but she still doesn’t sell “Bella” to the audience. We never know why sworn enemies would join together to protect such an unappealing girl. She isn’t instantly likable. She isn’t charming. She doesn’t fill the room with light in a way that you can see why people would risk their lives for her. She is just there. And Stewart just acts awkward and weird at times. She doesn’t have real chemistry with Pattinson. And she DEFINITELY doesn’t have any with Lautner. <p> Lautner overacts with his intensity as if he has something to prove. And it sticks out sorely when compared to Pattinson who now seems to be on autopilot. But oddly, Pattinson has more chemistry with Lautner than he does with Stewart. Especially in the tent scene which played to laughs in the theater I saw the film at. <p> “Jacob” and his declarations of love for “Bella” after a while are pathetic. Lautner and Stewart’s chemistry is so not there that he comes off as an annoying kid asking why she won’t go out with him. Had she been more believable as an actor, she could have made that work, but she doesn’t. <p> In all, the film really could have been adapted in a way to make it interesting. Especially since the first two films made enough money that they could have invested in making 3 a really good movie. Like Harry Potter 1 and 2 were by the numbers, but 3 was the start of them being REAL movies. The same could have happened here. But no. They dropped the ball and made a pretty bland movie where people talk more than react and nothing substantial really happens. <p>And I can't believe I provided a breakdown of "Eclipse" on AICN... Thank you BringingSexyBack for the inevitable laughter I will get now as a result :)

  • July 5, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's not gonna be a blockbuster, but hey

    by terry1978

    Most of Hitchcock's things weren't moneymakers either, but becoming ingrained in cinema lexicon is probably worth more than the box office.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Good to see Bronson ..err ..Tom Hardy

    by joshtownsend

    getting some mainstream love. Maybe now everyone will understand why Mad max reboot is gonna be tit's and beer.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Why have reviews with spoilers?!?!?!?

    by bohdi71

    How do we know if the movie is worth going to see???

  • July 5, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    PRIMER props, HELL YEAH

    by joshtownsend

    Most underrated film of the century.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Glossing over the tech is a cop-out.

    by ganymede3010

    And that's going to somewhat spoil the movie for me. Just focusing on the action sounds like something Michael Bay would do.

  • July 5, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    And does this resemble Dreammaster

    by Lang The Cat

    by Roger Zelazny? The story seems similar, but could easily be very different. I seem some similarities to Paprika, too.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Beaks never link to that top 25 again

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Whilst you were the only AICN writer brave enough (or not lazy) to put out a top 100 it was terrible with some major exclusions. Should be a lesson to anyone with those kind of lists keep it to top 20, maybe 25 that can be debatable, everyone has their own opinion but once you go to a large list like 100 and exclude movies like ; Children of Men, Zodiac, Lost in Translation, Requiem for a Dream..... it ends up becoming a joke. <p>

  • July 5, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    R.T is going GAGA over this movie..100%

    by ganymede3010

    Well, that's until Armond White reviews the movie.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    PROFIT - THOSE ARE VALID POINTS

    by BringingSexyBack

    But remember - Jacob and Edward's love for Bella goes beyond the human elements of love, which explains much. And yeah, be prepared for some bashing around here. I'll have your back.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    TurdHasRisen..The Avatar final battle...

    by ganymede3010

    Was the best one I've seen since Return of the King. Some of the shots were breathtakingly epic. Especially the one of Stephen Lang jumping out the burning the ship in the mechanized-exo-suit.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Beaks well written

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Criticised you for you top 100 list, but good to see a well written review. Only thing I wanted to read more about were the performances of some of the actors like Ken Watanabe and Tom Hardy. <p> Also want to see Tom Hardy in Batman 3, was brilliant in Bronson.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Can't wait.

    by jimmy_009

    The reviews have been outstanding for this one so far. Of course the early reviews for MacGruber were good too, so I remain cautiously optimistic rather than just optimistic.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Should have waited a little longer for the review.

    by GQtaste

    But you couldn't help yourself could you? And Insomnia is a great film.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Pissed off I didn't have the guts to not read that.

    by GQtaste

  • July 5, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Gangs of New York vs. Shutter Island

    by MattmanReturns

    I feel like I'm the only one who prefers Gangs of New York to Shutter Island. I thought Shutter was dreadfully slow and predictable. Anyway, can't wait for Inception. Nolan hasn't let me down yet.

  • July 5, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Fuck yeah!

    by Rectal Blowout

    Ican hardlyytype, mybonner keepsgettinin the wayy...

  • July 5, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    the great thing about this movie

    by antimcgyver

    is that there won't be a sequel. so how much money it makes is irrelevant. as long as its well received (which so far it is)Nolan will keep being able too make whatever movies he wants to!

  • July 5, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    DmitryPortnoy (re: kubrick)

    by secretcylon

    Yes, but did he make movies? Joking. Great post. Barry Lyndon is my favorite movie ever.

  • July 5, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Hell Yes!

    by BlackBriar

    Just two short weeks away!

  • July 5, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah but is it better than Vanilla Sky?

    by Orionsangels

  • July 5, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    500 Days, Gangs of NY

    by BlaGyver

    1. I feel that (500) Days is suffering from Juno syndrome. When I first saw it, I loved it. I ended up seeing it because I was going with a friend who wasn't 17 and couldn't get in to Funny People, so we saw that instead, which was a great call. It is a brutally honest movie that's filled with some biting cynicism but is ultimately about moving on. Walking out of the theater, I LOVED it. But once it came out on DVD and everyone I knew rented it based on the hype it had recieved, it started to grind my nerves a bit. Yes, it's great, but I can only watch it so many times and after a while it became a flavor of the week movie that every hipster in my town (and there are a LOT of hipsters in my town) wouldn't shut up about. I've probably had to sit through it ten times when I didn't want to, much like Juno two years ago. However, if anybody is avoiding it based on that hipster affection, you're making a bad call, it really is a great movie. 2. I have NO idea why anybody would bash on GONY. It certainly didn't live up to the hype it had pre-release, but it is by no means a terrible film. Occasionally cliched, yes. Occasionally self-indulgent, yeah. But to say that it's crap or unwatchable is ludicrious. It's a hell of a movie and the final shot gives me chills every time I see it.

  • July 5, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Remember when Garden State came out and

    by RPLocke

    everyone was freaking over it. Now, no one ever even mentions it anymore.

  • July 5, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    This is just an educated guess...

    by AxeEmAll

    Knowing the kind of films Chris Nolan has, and since it plays on what is real or not, I am assuming that Mal, Cobb's wife, appears as both a product of Cobb's unconscious and she ACTUALLY invading Cobb's dreams as he invades Cillian Murphy's dreams to mess up her husband's plans either as an act of revenge or her attempts to save him from pursuing something that would ultimately destroy him and his family. It could even happen that Cillian Murphy is actually the good guy helping out Mal to get to Cobb. Of course, I could still be wrong, but it doesn't hurt to have such preconceived notions if only to increase one's interest in seeing the movie.

  • July 5, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the review, Beaks!

    by seppukudkurosawa

    (Lamest comment on the talkback, I know, but I don't really have anything else to say).

  • July 5, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    SPOILER:

    by thebearovingian

    Dom Cobb is officially one of the stupidest movie character names EVAH! Dom "Corn" Cobb.

  • July 5, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Now bring on the Batterdammerung

    by Dark Knight Lite

    In Nolan I trust. INCEPTION will be the intense foreplay. Bat3 will be the true EYEFUCKING.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Posting In Epic Thread?

    by Saluki

    Inception was always my number one choice for the year. A total no brainer choice.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Nolan

    by Magregus

    God bless Chris Nolan.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Inception 2: Wet Dream

    by Jay_Lenos_Ugly_Wife

    To punish a anti-gay politician Cobb must plant a gay man in his sexual dream.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    why post a spoiler-review this fucking early?

    by RedHorseVector

  • July 6, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    RedHorseVector

    by BadMrWonka

    read Beaks' post above, there aren't really any spoilers in the review, Beaks just put a box around it because it's such a good, smart movie, it might be best to see it without any advance information at all.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    I've never liked the spoiler boxes.

    by The Dark Shite

    I read the review & there aren't really any spoilers, but sometimes the site has some pretty big ones! Sometimes they aren't so much reviews as step-by-step rundowns of the entire movie & ending. <p> It tends to be justified (usually quite pettily by one guy in particular..you know who you are..) with "I put a spoiler box on it", but a good writer, a REAL journalist should be able to write a review & give an opinion, even touching on elements that could be spoilers,without actually revealing them. A spoiler warning's just lazy. <p> If we're here, it's because we're interested in the movie & it's Human nature to want info & want to read the review. If we come for info, but have to resist the urge to read the review, then it has no reason to exist. Also, even if you skip the review, there's no guarantee someone won't reference a spoiler in the talkbacks. Fuck spoiler boxes, just don't give spoilers. It's easy enough to do.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    RedHorseVector

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Cause alot of AICN contributors are preparing for Comic Con. During that week they wont have time to report other shit outside San Diego happenings.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Oh, and FUCK Lostboytexas btw.

    by ToughGuyRizzo

  • July 6, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Best Picture nom 4 TDK snub???

    by ugh

    believe it!

  • July 6, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Where's the review?

    by Flip63Hole

    Did he like/love/hate it?

  • July 6, 2010, 2:17 a.m. CST

    by jawsfan

  • July 6, 2010, 2:22 a.m. CST

    "Inception" will do well but not great.

    by jawsfan

    "Avatar" broke the bank in part because of the elevated ticket prices for 3-D movies. The tickets were about 30 percent more expensive to include the rental price of the glasses, but that money counted into the ticket grosses, so there ya go. The more I watch "The Dark Knight" the more I think that "Batman Begins", though flawed, was the better of the two. Nolan has had some amazing commercial success due in no small part to making 2 Batman films when fans were foaming at the mouth to see them under any circumstances. He is by no means a genius. He is a decent filmmaker but NOT a genius. I wish people would stop throwing the "genius" tag around so liberally. The guy who makes my coffee at Starbucks does a very good job but I would hardly call him a genius. The guy who fixed my computer last month did a perfect job but I'd hardly call him a genius just because he can do something I can't do for myself.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Tickets booked: BFI IMAX here we come...

    by palimpsest

    Job done.

  • God I hope the Dr. Boll is the next to join that list! Oova don't fail me now!

  • July 6, 2010, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Mr.NiceGaius

    by IndustryKiller!

    I DID see Devins review. inf act I loved the way it was written so much I posted it to my facebook page. Yeah, I think he fought a little too hard against the tide on The Dark Knight issue, and in fact I think its a symptom of Feracis almost unfathomable lack of insight when it comes to superhero properties, but let's give the guy some credit for knowing obvious class when I see it. i think The Dark Knight is one of the greatest films ever made, but you probably wouldn't have known it from my criticisms of Batman: Begins, which I still don't like due to Goyers obvious hand in. But Feraci sealed it for me, my hopes are officially up, and I can't see how this one is gonna fail, I see literally ZERO warning signs, so Im heading straight for optimism town.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Anyone who talks box office from this point on is a douche bag

    by IndustryKiller!

    It has absolutely nothing to do with anything. SOme of the greatest films of all time were box office failures. If you think a film making bank means its good or bad then get some fucking perspective or stop commenting on film.

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  • July 6, 2010, 3:14 a.m. CST

    I swear I'm not trolling

    by yodalovesyou

    But my problem with pretty much all of Nolan's movies is they are driven almost exclusively by 'Ideas' and not 'Characters'. While I like a good stylish film as much as anyone (Blade Runner, Ping-Pong) the thing I generally look for in movies are interesting, distinctive characters that are compelling to watch. The Dark Knight suffered from too many characters that acted like they were in The West Wing - all walking down corridors, talking in the same 'professional' language without showing any real traits of personality. And the person that said Christian Bale acts like he's never spent time in the company of real human beings was absolutely spot on. He's one of the most alienating actors out there.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I can't stand Leo or that Juno Lesbo.

    by Professor_Monster

    i wish they'd cast other people in this - the effects are neat looking

  • July 6, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    O.H.M.S.S. - still the best Bond movie...

    by workshed

    Best plot, villain, set-pieces, Bond-girls and, of course, the perfect Bond. I believe Lazenby - the fight scenes look so real. And, of course, Nolan is NOT a hack, he just needs to stop concentrating so heavily on the technical aspects of plot and device. And I'm OK with Leo DC too. At least he's made the effort to step into more challenging roles a la Aviator and Blood Diamond (two films he carried on his own).

  • July 6, 2010, 3:35 a.m. CST

    OHMSS One Of The Best Bonds

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Lazenby is very good as Bond, and I would much rather have seen him in the original version of Diamonds Are Forever before it was hastily rewritten for Connery. <P> I'd love to see Nolan tackle a Bond film, but a proper Bond (not Bond the thug), the set pieces could be truly amazing. <P> I'm always in two minds about Nolan, I love Batman Begins but I only like The Dark Knight. I do however absolutely love The Prestige, his best work in my opinion, one of the few times a little heart escapes into the brilliant technical film making.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Hard to believe

    by Star Hump

    that some people would come down so hard on Nolan. I loathed TDK, but I've loved every other movie he's done, with Insomnia being my favorite. I don't think there's any way to deny that this guy is a supremely talented filmmaker. Inception looks absolutely outrageous. Can't wait to see it.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Idiots here

    by MandrakeRoot

    Especially Beaks. What a horrible non-review that was. Basically all he said in that review was the movie was pretty to look at. It was the most nondescript praise I've ever heard, then morons here are praising it just because it's positive. <p> And frankly I'd love to see anyone of these haters have a career like Cameron or Nolan. Particularly Cameron, making it seem like he fell off with Avatar. Give me a break, he once again cemented himself as one of the greatest visionaries in cinema history when all odds were against him. Nobody has a track record like him.

  • July 6, 2010, 4 a.m. CST

    @Star Hump...

    by workshed

    Agree, it's nice to see CN getting back to the cerebral work of Insomnia/Memento because those films promised so much and imo he was dragged into the Batman franchise because he knew it was the only was he could get the clout he needed to make films of choice. It worked for Spielberg, Lean, Hitch, Lang. Of course, none of them could ever be in the same league as Carl Dreyer who just did what the fuck he wanted from day one and blew minds every time he touched celluloid.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    HOW is this movie PG-13??

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    How can there be a movie about entering multiple male dreams without ANY female nudity? <BR><BR> What do I dream about more often, babes or spinning rooms? Um, take a guess...

  • July 6, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Didn't Want It Spoiled

    by HeisenbergsBlueSky

    So i will hold off on the reveiw.calling nolan a hack is just fucking moronic and you know it.player hating bitches

  • July 6, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    STUDIOS NOTE: Not remake, sequel, re-boot, comic book etc

    by Mr Gorilla

    As with Avatar, I am longing for this to be a big massive hit not just because it was a risk that should be rewarded, but also because it's an ORIGINAL WORK. Amen to that.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    HeisenbergsBlueSky

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    For the most part no one takes the Nolan hack comments seriously. <p> The guys's work in the last decade speaks for itself. <p> From a mainstream movie perspective over the last decdade or so its been Pixar and Nolan consistently delivering. With half the year down it looks like Pixar and Nolan again. <p>

  • July 6, 2010, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Leo will fuck everything up

    by chien_sale

    That 12 years old girl sucks.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Just looked up "pretentious" in the dictionary and...

    by YackBacker

    ... it pointed me to this review.<p>Thanks for not talking about the movie that much- for a second I was worried you were going to spoil it for me, but you were too busy writing about nothing in particular.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    My prediction/fear for Inception....

    by DiscoGodfather

  • July 6, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    "Inception" worse case scenario:

    by DiscoGodfather

    A big opening day followed by a steep drop, "Eclipse"-style, as the "I don't get it" word of mouth spreads and business dies off. Opening weekend: $70-80M, which media will brand a disappointment, which will lead to incorrect assumptions, a 70-80% second week drop and a $200-225M final gross. No one who saw this movie will claim they liked it, except for a few stuck-up hipster douchebags who will wear this film like a badge of fucking honor, making "Inception" yet another code word for "I am superior to 'the unwashed masses'", further dividing movie fans and leading to Shyamalan getting funding for the "Last Airbender" trilogy because dollars to donuts THAT is what the people REALLY want. Of course, I hope I'm wrong.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:08 a.m. CST

    WHY ARE DREW AND DEVIN FEATURED ON RT

    by BringingSexyBack

    and AICN is not? I don't get it. Represent, people!!! Represent!!!!!

  • July 6, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Dreams Can Be Dangerous Things

    by Dr_Satan

    I once dreamt about pulling a rabbit apart by its ears. When I awoke from the dream, I ran downstairs in my dressing gown and discovered my grandmother cradling her dead pet bunny. She never asked if it was me but she gave me dark and terrible looks that stayed with me until she suspiciously (but obviously nothing to do with, despite what that annoying fucking cop kept saying) hung herself a year later.<P>I therefore look forward to Inception. If it is as wonderful as the adverts make it out to be, I think we will be onto a winner here. A journey into the mental corridors of the human mind depicted on film for all the see? I absolutely cannot wait.<p>I hope there are lots of wonderful death scenes in it.<p>- Dr. Satan

  • July 6, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST

    BSB, good question

    by YackBacker

    Why isn't AICN getting internet love? Emanuel Levy is featured on RT and I don't even know who that asshole is, but he sucks.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    DiscoGodfather

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    I think for AICN the opposite is true, once a movie gets consensus of critical praise, financial success, nerd rage kicks in and a much loved movie becomes "overrated thats a FACT" or "meh"

  • July 6, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Box office doesn't matter, however.....

    by terry1978

    When it comes to getting additional budgets for new projects, studios tend to favor it over acclaim these days.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Cool. The man always makes terrifically crafted films.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • July 6, 2010, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Kubrick: 2001 Was Frickin' Brilliant

    by kevinwillis.net

    And I loved his version of The Shining. If you want a Shining that hews closer to the book, watch the made-for-TV miniseries that was as literal an interpretation as you could imagine. It really wasn't very good.<br><br>But 2001. My gosh, that movie. A Clockwork Orange? Classics.<br><br>I'm not a big Leo fan. His best work was in Gilbert Grape. Every other movie, he's playing himself as Leo: The Capital-A Actor.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I'll take an "interesting failure"

    by The McPoyle Clan

    over another remake, sequel, or something based on a board game or toy property anytime.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Inception and Nolan WILL get Oscar noms...

    by umbral_shadow_

    Best Film, Best Director and possibly Best Screenplay, Cinematography and Special FX. Partly because it will deserve them, partly to make up for the TDK fiasco. As long as it ends up with a 95% rating on RT, its gonna be pretty much impossible to ignore.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    So, let me get this straight...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    There are people on here questioning Kubrick? <p> Jesus.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Is RPLocke a troll?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Every post of his just seems to be complete nonsense.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    OHMSS

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The posters above are correct in praising it, it's definitely in the top 5 Bond films.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Most DiCaprio hate

    by JoeD

    is simple jealousy. His life is incomprehensibly awesome compared to the fools on this site. I have some issues with a couple of his films, but the guy has proved himself by doing serious acting in extremely well chosen roles for years. If he's a good enough actor for Scorcese and Nolan, I'd say he's not terrible at what he does.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    The only film to be excited for this summer

    by barnaby jones

    INCEPTION

  • July 6, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    The only film to be excited for this summer

    by barnaby jones

    INCEPTION

  • July 6, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    OHMSS

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    Thank god, somewhere I can hangout and loudly proclaim that I believe OHMSS to be the greatest Bond film by a country mile.<p>And to that total twat who talked earlier about his coffee barista making a good pot of coffee but not necessarily being a genius (ergo Nolan being to easily branded a genius), I say: "Yes, sir, you are a dickhead. Only on your fucked up planet could anybody compare a film director, and therefore an artist, to a fucking coffee jock. Even this guy who makes such great coffee would probably admit that it's not an art form, therefore your comparison is a touch fucking disingenuous.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    This is what a critic wrote from VARIETY....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    "a vivid sense of procedural detail to a fiendishly intricate yarn set in the labyrinth of the subconscious, the writer-director has devised a heist thriller for surrealists, a Jungian's Rififi, that challenges viewers to sift through multiple layers of (un)reality". That's where you belong Mr. Beaks, writing this kind of gay crap at Variety. Your college student blog/nutless style will fit right in.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    AICN is a site dedicated to sucking

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    director cock (excluding Michael Bay). It's fucking sad how you guys squirt over these dudes.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    THAT MAY BE TRUE, MJS

    by BringingSexyBack

    But you gotta admit, that is one rockin' sentence.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    YACKSTER

    by BringingSexyBack

    Most of RT's featured reviewers suck balls. They're not just obscure and insignificant, they're totally invalid as critics. I read the clowns who racked up the 8% positive for Airbender and couldn't believe their say influenced the rating. In a righteous world their opinions would be limited to a Yahoo message board. And that's it.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I just watched 2001 on Blu Ray... Fucking WOWZA

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    My jaw was on the floor the whole time. The film itself has always been my favorite of all time, but in HD? FUUUUUCK. A Visual, philosophical masterpiece. <p> I like Nolan and all but 2001 is untouchable. Pure Cinema.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach... I think Locke might be trollish

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    The man was defending Transformers 2 yesterday.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    also.. OHMSS is waaay under-rated

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Lazenby is great and it's one of my favorites, but what do I know.... I'm a Dalton fan.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    RPLocke is lockesbrokenleg (aka skywalkerfamily). So, yeah. He's a troll; one that uses AICN like its his own personal Twitter account.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Don't you be talkin' smack about Emanuel Levy!

  • July 6, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    You left out some crucial info, Beaks.

    by HoboCode

    Does Marion Cotilliard get naked?

  • July 6, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    "Now waiiitt just a minute..."

    by Stalkeye

    RPLocke is lockesbrokenleg (aka skywalkerfamily). I know that he was originally 'brokenleg, but WTF kinda name is Skywalkerfamily?!? And who would still defend garbage like TF2 for that matter? Even BSB chilled when it came to how "great" GIJoe was.Then again, Twilight Eclispe?!?Did your Wife put a gun to your head or something?

  • July 6, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Bar none, this is the movie i most want to watch this year

    by AsimovLives

  • July 6, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    ON HER MAGESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, GOLDENEYE and 2005's CASINO ROYALE are my favotire Bond movies. glad to see from you much love frorm the unjustly maligned ON HER MAGESTY'S SECRET SERVICE. I'm also glad that Nolan also thinks highly of that movie.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Your arse still aches?

  • July 6, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    FleshMachine

    by AsimovLives

    What i believe Mr Beaks wanted to say about his mention of GANGS OF NEW YORK is that INCEPTION is a personla movie made by Nolan but on a big scale, like APOCALYPSE NOW and 2001 were too. Scorsese wanted to make GANGS OF NEW YORK since the mid 70s, he was already writing scripts for it even before he made TAXI DRIVER. It was one of his dearly pet projects he waited 30 years until he did it. APOCALYPSE NOW and 2001 were also pet projects for Coppola and Kubrick, as is INCEPTION for Nolan. The thing in common with GANGS OF NEW YORK, 2001, APOCALYPSE NOW and INCEPTION is they are personla movies that this filmmakers mannaged to make on a huge epic production scale.<br><br>This is what i think Mr Beaks wanted to say with hs comparisons. It was not a question of quality, but of the scale of the movies and pet project very close to the heart of their filmmakers.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No, my arse is fine. Are you getting your chapstick and lip-gloss ready?

  • July 6, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    James Cameron recycles...

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Aliens, The Abyss and Avatar contain the same general outline; Research team or Marine Unit or both, encounter an Alien lifeform either friendly or hostile. Throw in some Mech suits and nifty special effects and voila! <p> Cameron Magic!

  • July 6, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Bonds....gotta go with

    by BlaGyver

    Live and Let Die, Casino Royale, Goldeneye, and.....I'm gonna be alone on this, but The Man With the Golden Gun is a sentimental favorite as it was the first Bond movie I ever saw and the only one I owned for quite a while. The summer after my fifth grade year I probably watched it ten times.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Box office does matter...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That's if you want Nolan to be able to continue making original properties at this size with full artistic control. Batman 3 isn't the issue; that'll get made regardless. Personally, I hope Nolan resurrects his Howard Hughes project because Scorsese/ DiCaprio's version was ok but not fully satisfying.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    The five best Bonds are...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    From Russia With Love; Goldfinger; OHMSS; The Living Daylights; and Casino Royale.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    MrTibbs

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Yes, those are all EXACTLY the same film because they contain encounters with alien lifeforms, aren't they? Idiot. All Nolan's films, save Batman, deal with an isolated male character trapped in a maze of their own making. Therefore, they must all be EXACTLY the same, eh? Nolan magic!!

  • July 6, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    The five worst Bonds are...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Diamonds Are Forever; The Man with the Golden Gun; A View to a Kill; Tomorrow Never Dies; and Die Another Day.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck this shit, bring on Transformers 3

    by CartoonFanboy

    Kidding, Micheal Bay can burn in hell. Looking forward to Inception, last hope of the summer.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    DmitryPortnoy

    by AsimovLives

    Great post very well and intelligently writen. Great to see anoyher Kubrick fan in here who actually understands something of the man and his movies. Believe me, in here, Kubrick's fans ar enot as numerous as one would believe. Hacks in here have far mor appologists then true masters like Kubrick.<br><br>Agan, thank you fr your very good and intleligent post. I hope to see more from you in the future. Welcome.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    CartoonFanboy

    by Stalkeye

    Good one.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    This year's AVATAR in one definite respect...

    by BurnHollywood

    This will be the AICN TB "DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING CRITICIZE IT...IT'S !!!ORIGINAL!!!" and "THE DIRECTOR IS A FUCKING GENIUS ON A PAR WITH KUBRICK!!!" for 2010...

  • July 6, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    THIS ONE'S AN IMAX FOR SURE

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 6, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Turd

    by BlaGyver

    Actually you could kind of argue that that applies to Batman films as well, as both times many of the ordeals he has to endure are the result of his actions (or lack of actions in TDK).

  • July 6, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    I'm getting ready to watch a good movie made by a really good filmmaker. And you?

  • I saw IM 2 and it was fun (that's all it was) and everything else just looked to crappy to care. (I will rent A-team for some fun tho) Oh, and I do need to see Toy Story.<p>But Nolan is the man. When your worst film is Insomnia (or TDK or Batman Begins or...any of Nolan's films)that's saying something. Personaly, he's one of my top 3 fave diretors. (the other 2 being Scorsesee and the Berg..who's only there still for sentimental reasons) Nolan just makes class films, period. <p>This, Potter, and Tron will be the years best. Bank on it.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, I'm looking forward to it, too. The difference is that I'm not going to suck Nolan's cock in Talkback. Heh!<P>It's a joke - lighten up.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Turd_Has

    by AsimovLives

    I think in your list you named the really very good Bond movies made. And it's great to see from you much love for THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, a much underrated movie, IMO. Too bad you didn't put GOLDENEYE in that list too, becaus ei alos think it's a top notch Bond movie. Martin Campbel truly knows how to make a good Bond movie, he did it twice in two different decades, the man has the magic.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    You have to admit, you have said better jokes before, this latest was kinda lame. You know this to be true.<br><br>And by the way: In Nolan We Trust.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    LOOK. NOLAN IS NOT BEYOND REPROACH.

    by BringingSexyBack

    If Inception sucks, no doubt many will call it out. But Beaks did make it sound like the Second Coming so if does blow I say we track his ass down and rape it good.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    If INCEPTION is half as good as...

    by AsimovLives

    ... my more skeptical expectations, Christopher Nolan will became my favorite living director. Sorry, Ridley Scott, but you kinda messed up with ROBIN HOOD. Scotrt and Nolan have been going on a ballanced act of which is who in my fave list since THE PRESTIGE and THE DARK KNIGHT were released. This year will be the litmus test. but if what Beaks says is any indication, Scott is going number two. Sorry, Sir Ridley, but it is as it is.<br><br>My favorite dead director is Stanley Kubrick, of course.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    BLEST - DON'T FORGET "YOUR HIGHNESS"

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 6, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Nolan...

    by Lemure_v2

    is one of a few writers/directors to never make a bad film. From Following onwards, they've all been good. And this is one film that WOULD have been amazing in 3D.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by AsimovLives

    All directors ar enot beyond reproach. All movies ar enot beyond reproach. 500 Days Of Summe ris not mbeyond reproach. Zooey Deschanel is not beyond reproach. So, what was the point of your post again?

  • July 6, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Lemure_v2

    by AsimovLives

    Indeed.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I LOVED MEMENTO SO MUCH THAT MY GF AT THE TIME

    by BringingSexyBack

    bought me the limited edition "Psychiatric Report" box set. Which I've never opened. I mean, it's good but it ain't no (500) Days good.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    ASI - I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO BURNHOLLYWOOD

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 6, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I don't understand the "cold" label on directors like Kubrick, N

    by AsimovLives

    ... and Ridley Scott. I really don't get that. So the characters in their movies don't act like melodramatic characters from soap opera who over-react dramatically to the shit most of us take for granted in life. Really, on my par,t i'm tankful that there's filmmakers like Kubrick and Scott and nolan who don't make the characters in their movies act like uncontrolled melodramatic emos. i welcome the choice those guys' movies provide. So if they are "cold", so much the better. If every movie had melodramatic acting all ove rthe plac,e i had given up watching movies for 20 years already! Thank goodness for "cold" directors like Kubrick, Nolan, Scott, and of their ilk. Thank goodness for their respiste.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by AsimovLives

    In here, everybody is talking with everybody... even when not. Isn't that great?

  • July 6, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    YEAH, ASI - ALL WE NEED NOW ARE AVATARS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Mine would be a pic of a park bench.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Nolan owns us all!

    by fassbinder79

    Bow down.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    When Telling The Truth Gets You Attacked On AICN...

    by Media Messiah

    ...it is the biggest compliment that one can pay you, hence, I am infinitely grateful to my critics. I wear your attacks against me as a well earned badge of honor. Nolan didn't deserve an Oscar nomination, and TDK certainly didn't deserve a nomination for an Oscar. As for Ledger, he got a sympathy Oscar. He was a nice guy, but that performance was not Oscar worthy. If he had not died, he wouldn't have even been mentioned at Oscar time. It was only Hollywood guilt over the fact that many in the industry led Ledger down the road of destruction, or saw him going that way, and did nothing to stop it--and on top of it, Warner turned-around and used his death to help publicize the movie for profit; nice folks! This is all just so much bought, and paid for, hype...and it is for those who would so easily be brainwashed. Welcome to it!

  • July 6, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    why the spoiler tag?

    by Bouncy X

    i read this and still dont feel spoiled. he didnt say anything that couldnt have been implied by the tv spots and trailers. maybe he was just covering his ass because there's always some whiners who think anything THEY dont know is a spoiler.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    BSB, what's "Your Highness"? New film this year?

    by BLEST

    (hadn't heard of it yet)

  • July 6, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Your strangeness continues to baffle us all.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I thought Ledger's performance was worthy of an Oscar

    by Stalkeye

    If anyone who stood out (TDK) it was definately Heath who IMO was the best Joker thus far.It was far deserving of praise and not just some postumous award.Then again, it's the Academy we're talking about...SNOBS! How fucking Annie Hall beat out Star Wars for best picture is still beyond my comprehension.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Here's the down low on Your Highness. Interestingly, I didn't know it was pushed back to 2011. This fucking sucks, but no doubt they want to take time making it perfect. Which is cool.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    SORRY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Highness

  • July 6, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    Claiming Nolan to be na ahck is not telling the truth, no matter how you cut it. You can't play the martyr card on this, friend.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    Claiming Nolan to be an hack is not telling the truth, no matter how you cut it. You can't play the martyr card on this, friend.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    We should palce bets on...

    by AsimovLives

    ... which will be the AICN reviewer who will not like INCEPTION, or find lots and lots of faults and aggravation with it. There will be one, the only question is, who will be he? My bet is on Massa.

  • July 6, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye: because Annie Hall > Star Wars

    by mrgray

    SW is awesome and classic, no doubt, but Annie Hall is moreso. And only a silly fanboy would be offended by that. Watch the two movies again some time and tell me that whiney, skinny Luke Skywalker is a better protagonist than whiney, skinny Alvy Singer. Annie as love interest is arguably sexier (the gold bikini came later). I'll give you Han over Tony Roberts, the guy always calling Alvy "Max".

  • July 6, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    BSB, looks like a win to me! That will be good.

    by BLEST

  • July 6, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    I know that in our geekly enthusiasm soemtimes we let it get the better of us and cloud our judgement and prevent us from seeing the forest from the trees. but in regard to ANNIE HALL, that movie deserved the oscar over STAR WARS, hands down. You don't even need to think too much about it to know why. That was one of those rare ocasions when the oscars got it right. However, "OLIVER!" winning best director over "2001, A SPACE ODDYSSEY", that was a major screw up of the kind even the Academy is ashamed of.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    sigh... can anyone just be critical of TDK?

    by mrgray

    Once again I find myself reading through a Nolan-centric talkback and getting infuriated at the amount of bullshit heaped upon anyone critical of TDK. Does it occur to anyone that Faraci wasn't "fighting the tide" but actually had *legit* problems with the goddam thing? I know *I* certainly did and my opinion counts for dick-all in the grand scheme of things. So please, can we just put a moratorium on the knee-jerk "you hate it because it's popular/everyone else loves it" nonsense? Media Messiah might be nuttier than a Planters factory, but he's right about the power of hype and TDK's rightful absence from the Oscars.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Not a silly fanboy, however biased..

    by Stalkeye

    as the Pedoesque Woody Allen and his films are overrated.Not to mention that the cheap bastard shoots some of his works in B&w sans BGM. I take you get a thrill from all the psudeo intellect cosmopolitan dialog.SW had mor going for it than Hall, A Sci Fi film that was more than average as well as innovative. Skywalker, who started out as some farmboy reluctant to join a cause, becomes enthralled in a conflict (by way of his Uncle and Aunt's murder seeks justice and is inspired to now become a Jedi.)that threatens the Galaxy.Part of the film involves faith, as Luke did not have enough to utilize the Force until the very end.<p>So Fuck yeah, I'm offended that Annie got the nod, but then again SW is more evident in the pop culture mainstream than some boring chick flick.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Like I said earlier Asi, I'm biased.

    by Stalkeye

    No shame in my game. it's my inner geek crying out for justice. ;0)

  • July 6, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    "the Pedoesque Woody Allen"<br><br>As someone who respects and even admires you due to your pots, many time isnightful and intelligent, i don't ecognize you in that remark. It's so unbecoming you. You shouldn't be offended that a good movie won an oscar. you should be offended when a bad or mediocre one wins. ANNIE HALL, no matter how much you delight with STAR WARS, is a very good movie, and deserved the oscar. That's what there is to the subject. The fact STAR WARS was nominated was more a node to the commercial sucess and some of the technical break-throughs that the movie brough, much the same as last year was about AVATAR's nomination. I'm not comparing the two movies, i'm comparing the mindset that made the academy deemed those movies to be nominated. ANNIE HALL won fair and square. And ANNIE HALL is not a chick flick. If that is how you remember it, go watch it again... if you ever watched it in the first place.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    due to your pots = due to your posts

    by AsimovLives

    Though if you have some pot to share, i'm not saying no to that.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    A geek crying out for justice...

    by AsimovLives

    ... is me and every coment i make about you know who's movie that's supposed to be a reboot of a certain classic TV SF show and isn't.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight was almost perfect except....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Nolan should have cut out the last 40 minutes with Two-Face and turned it into a third film. Oh well. Now you guys can go back to sucking on his plump juicy cock head...but don't get too full. Ya gotta save room for Cameron.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Uh, Mr. Gray

    by Stalkeye

    It's common knowledge that most fantasy/sci fi films are snubbed by the Academy. especially when it comes to best picture, they mostly receive the nod for best special effects if anything. It goes as no surprise that cameron wasnt going to win this year's Oscar for Avatar. Either it's just another scifi genre or everyone's sick of Jim's ego.<p>could be the latter in this case.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I see no faults in TDK except...

    by AsimovLives

    ... it's too short. All really good movies are always too short.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Agreed, it will make 2011 a year to remember, and the good news is it'll give Nolan a shot at the Oscar this year.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Are you guys seriously talking about Annie Hall

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    What is it with you pedophile loving cunts! Polanksi and Allen make shitty movies and bang 7th graders. You guys need to be smashed

  • July 6, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Yes Allen is a pederast but what...

    by Continentalop

    ...has that got to do with Annie Hall being labeled great? Jefferson was an f'ing slave holder and he wrote one of the greatest documents ever for civil and human rights. Sometimes you have to separate the person from the work, you know? Because I have a feeling Mother Teresa might be a shitty director. <P> Annie Hall is undeniably a great movie, just like Chinatown is for Polanski. <P>

  • July 6, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    And ANNIE HALL was a bold win for the academy too

    by Continentalop

    It was a comedy. How many comedies win Best Picture? <P> Also, ROCKY didn't deserve to win for Best Picture in 76. TAXI DRIVER, ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN and NETWORK are better.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    All this talk about TDK, may tempt me to bring..

    by Stalkeye

    ..out my Blu ray copy. so that it could reassure and refirm why Heath deserved the Oscar for portraying Comicdom's favorite Sociopath and TDK lives up to the hype it's the Empire Strikes Back of the Batman films.<p>But fuck, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. (Even if they're wrong.)

  • July 6, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye, please don't bring up TDK

    by Continentalop

    Because then we will start debating who the next villain will be, and than I will be on my soap box for days defending the Penguin. <P> Thank you.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Stalkeye

    How could you say that rocky didnt deserve the win and today is Sly's Birthday too, you'll hurt his lil' feelings. But seriously, the only strong contender to go up against Rocky would prolly be Taxi Driver.<p>fucking masterpiece.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    No one will be Superman

    by TheJudger

  • July 6, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    He will be CGI

    by TheJudger

  • July 6, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Shit, if Phillip Seymour would be cast as Penguin.

    by Stalkeye

    ..I'm effin there.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    okay Continentalop

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I'm sure Hitler was a great painter too.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    You can't seperate the two

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    They put themselves into those movies...just like they put themselves into 11 year old girls. They are one in the same

  • July 6, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    No one with perfect skin and correcting features

    by TheJudger

    looks like him. A CGI model never ages. Unless you make it age. This is the only way to get the perfect look. To bring people back without a name. We dont need a fucking name. Cause the names dont look like him. Fuck Routh! That is a Superboy, not a man.

  • July 6, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Bomb Doc

    by TheJudger

    Leo's name is an anagram

  • July 6, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    If Jeffery Dahmer diercted Avatar would you still love it?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    and would you still love 'ol Jeff

  • July 6, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    and as far as Jefferson goes...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    that was a social norm in his time. Wrong or right, that's how it was. But plowing your Asian daughter has never been socially acceptable.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    TDK has some flaws, 1 kinda minor, 1 major

    by rogueleader66

    And this is coming from someone who LOVED that film, loved it. But to deny the film has faults is just stupid. <P>Great films do not have to be flawless, classic films do not have to be flawless. Maybe some great and/or classic films are indeed flawless, or close to it, but that is not a requirement. In fact I would say that there are very few flawless films.<P>Now back to what I said in the title of my post....TDK had 2 flaws/faults whatever you want to call them that always kinda bothered me, I'd like to know if anyone else out there shares my view, but before I say what they are, anyone who feels TDK is flawed, please share what you think those flaws are. <P>Again, this is not meant to slam TDK, I loved the film and I think Nolan is a superb director, so please no fan boy rage like I am a TDK/Nolan hater, not the case at all.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Pixar have the best film every summer

    by Semen Stains

    Minus cars,whenever that came out, also this Nolan movie will no doubt be great.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Inception

    by rogueleader66

    Will no doubt be great, I can't see any reason why it would not be. Every time I see a commercial for it I just get more pumped up to see it. Of course there will be the haters there always is, but that's to be expected. Naturally, there will be some people who just may honestly not like it and that's fine, it's the one's who hate just to go against the majority that are douche bags.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Rogueleader

    by BlaGyver

    The only flaws in the movie that bug me are 1. Marone is dropped from a building. We HEAR his leg snap. Next scene he's in (which is what, 2 days later?) he's fine. 2. Joker holds the trust fund brigade hostage. Batman dives out a window to save Rachel....and we never really see what happens to the partygoers. That said, I LOVE the movie. Those are the only two problems I have with it. I'm curious to hear yours now.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    SERIOUS FLAW WITH THE DARK KNIGHT

    by BringingSexyBack

    In the real world, people on the ferries would be clamoring to press the button. I know I'd be lunging for that remote like Harry for a corndog.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    BlaGyver

    by rogueleader66

    Still want to hear what others viewed as flaws, so please guys, let's hear it.<P>The two flaws that I speak of are...in the beginning, the bank job....a school bus, a fucking school bus, goes through the wall of a fucking bank, not exactly a paper thin wall, and basically comes out undamaged, save for a lot of dust....even if a school bus COULD break through a wall like that, it would have a lot of damage, might even be inoperable.<P>Next is the hospital. It is stated earlier in the film that the Joker has a lot of nut jobs working for him. In fairness, i'm sure he does have normal people doing stuff for him, be it because they are just bad people or have been forced into his service. But please, someone explain to me how all of the bombs needed to destroy that hospital could have been placed there and NOBODY NOTICED anything unusual. It's an obviously busy hospital, and you are gonna tell me that they were able to plant all of those bombs and NOBODY noticed anything? What, did the Joker get hospital employees to do it? Doubtful. I'm sorry, for me that is a tough one to swallow.<P>BlaGyver, the ones you pointed out I have noticed but don't bother me enough to make an issue out of it, as we do see Marone walking with a cane later on, at least an indication that there was some damage. The party thing, not sure what to make of that, probably just the Joker's attempt at striking fear into the people of Gotham, hence why he just showed up and fucked with Batman and left.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    For all it's worth, i'd also like too to see Pinguin as the next villain, together with Catwoman. But that's me.

  • July 6, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    MJs

    by AsimovLives

    She was never his daugfhter. Sje was never his biological daughter. I don't think Allen even perfilliated her as his legal daughter. So give that shit a rest already. And ANNIE HALL is a great movie, deal with it.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST SOMEWHAT

    by BringingSexyBack

    New meme - amended to reflect the flaws.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by RPLocke

    in the real world we'd wonder how the Joker got all those barrels onto the ferries when he's only one guy. And we'd also wonder how Batman hacked into EVERY cell phone in Gotham.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    THE HOSPITAL BOMB

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm giving Nolan a pass on that one since we know the NeoCons were able to plant explosives throughout the World Trade Center, undetected. It helped that George Bush's brother was head of the company in charge of security, of course. Infowars.com and all that.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    "it's the one's who hate just to go against the majority that are douche bags."<br><br>I ocne got really upset about this guy who disliked JJ's Trek because he was just that, somebody who was trashing for trashing sake, to go agaisntthe new popular thing, he had no real idea or conviction about what he said. It upsetted me so much. I'd rather be alone then to be with bad such companies, if you know what i mean.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    The Joker didn't worked alone in TDK, specially by the end of the movie he had a lot of henchmen. Remember, he already started the movie with henchmen, then he got some from Gambol's gang, and thenhe got more from the servian mobster, the escaped loonies from Gotham, and more and more. It wasn0't jsut one guy doing all the heavy liftuing, he had an army working for him doing his biding. Where you got the idea he was alone doing it all is just puzzling, because it's not what the movie shows. How long ago you haven't seen the movie?

  • July 6, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Wow I can't believe we are debating merits of Annie Hall

    by Lovecraftfan

    It nots just a great film. It was groundbreaking at the time.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    MAYBE THEY WERE ALL IPHONES

    by BringingSexyBack

    and Batman was able to exploit their weak antennae. Have you checked your iTunes account? Thuat Nguyen is a real life Joker.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I guess i'm wired to seriously enjoy Nolan's movies

    by AsimovLives

    Becasue i have enjoyed them all, and i have been in awe in regard to some og his, MEMENTO and then all his movies from BATMAN BEGINS foward. I guess just the way i am, how i am, and what i like and enjoy makes me a good audience for nolan's movies and for his style as a filmmaker. I just connect very well to his movies. For me, he is one of the top best filmmaker out there. Thr way i see it, he's nearly flawless as filmmakers can go. Andthe flaws people above say about himand his movies, all of them reads to me as petty and unimportant. That's how it is for me. And the dude is really very talented and makes really great movies.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Lovecraftfan

    by AsimovLives

    The problem with the geekry soemtiems is that they can be so focused, TOO focused, they forget there's more to cinema then just their prefered corner of the playground.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Ledger: A Victim

    by Media Messiah

    Heath Ledger's performance in TDK was half Oscar worthy, and half Razzie worthy. The problem?: The Nolan brother's disjointed script, often laced with bad dialogue for the Joker, ridiculous motivations, and Chris Nolan's wooden direction, ultimately haddicapping Ledger.<BR><BR>I don't blame Ledger, for when he cyphered Al Pacino via "Dog Day Afternoon"--he was solid, however, when he gave us the silly weaker Joker moments, well, that is how it played; weak. And the lack of real motive and thus motivation...of the villain, save for anarchy--for anarchy's sake, and trying to prove that Batman can be corrupted (a truly bogus motive)--he had no real thrust, and that undermined the character, and thus Ledger's performance. <BR><BR>If Nolan was a better director, dramatically, and a better writer, he could have dug far deeper with giving the talent...something of great purpose, in script form, and direction, to do. Look at what he did with Maggie Gyllenhaal, Gary Oldman, Eric Roberts, Michael Caine, and Morgan Freeman? Answer?: Nothing???!!! These are all celebrated actors, and Nolan left them in flat and empty roles--with nothing to do of any real substance as actors? Anybody could have filled those roles, who didn't have to be a good or great actor. They were just shocking empty characters, with shockingly empty dialogue. Nolan is a weak director, again--a technician, not a real director, one who truly understands actors...or great writing!!!

  • July 6, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    soemtiems = sometimes

    by AsimovLives

  • July 6, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    For my part, you are not convincing at all.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Anyone remember Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid?

    by skimn

    The ability to enter ones dream and effect their decisions and/or kill them...? I guess there is nothing truly new under the sun, but as Dreamscape was a nifty B-movie thriller, I get the feeling Inception will take that idea and run with it. I. CAN. NOT. WAIT.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Knoubles

    by rogueleader66

    Wow that's right, kinda like the hospital, how the fuck did the Joker get all those explosives onto not one but TWO ferries without ANYBODY noticing that something was a bit out of place. <P>"Where are you going with those barrels?"<P>"Ummm...just delivering some motor oil, never know when you will need extra"<P>"Oh ok, carry on!".....seriously give me a break.<P>Like I said I love TDK, love it, but for anyone to say it is without fault is just short sighted and stupid. I would love to hear these faults rationalized though, should be interesting reading.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by skimn

    If Nolan was such a weak director, actor-wise, how did he guide Al Pacino and most importantly, Robin Williams (in one of, if not his BEST performance)through Insomnia?

  • July 6, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Amended: Ledger: A Victim (Of Nolan)

    by Media Messiah

    Heath Ledger's performance in "TDK" was half Oscar worthy, and half Razzie worthy. The problem?: The Nolan brothers' disjointed script, which was often laced with bad dialogue for the Joker, ridiculous motivations, and Chris Nolan's wooden and cold direction, ultimately haddicapping Ledger. <BR><BR> I don't blame Ledger, for when he cyphered Al Pacino via "Dog Day Afternoon"--he was solid, however, when he gave us the silly weaker Joker moments, well, that is how it played; weak! And the lack of real motive and thus motivation...of the villain, save for anarchy--for anarchy's sake, and trying to prove that Batman can be corrupted (a truly weak motive)--he had no real thrust, and that undermined the character, and thus, Ledger's performance. <BR><BR> If Nolan was a better director, dramatically, and a better writer, he could have dug far deeper with giving the talent...something of great purpose, in script form, and direction, to do. Look at what he did with Maggie Gyllenhaal, Gary Oldman, Eric Roberts, Michael Caine, and Morgan Freeman? Answer?: Nothing???!!! These are all celebrated actors, and Nolan left them in flat and empty roles--with nothing to do of any real substance as actors? Anybody could have filled those roles, you didn't have to be a good, or great, actor...as it was pedestrain material. They were just shocking empty characters, with shockingly empty dialogue? Nolan is a weak director, again--a technician, not a real director, not a director who truly understands actors...or great writing!!!

  • July 6, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    by Continentalop

    A) Woody Allen and Polanski made ANNIE HALL and CHINATOWN BEFORE they any of this pederast shit popped up. <P> B) Neither film has anything to do with fucking young girls. It isn't like DW Griffith's BIRTH OF A NATION or Victor Salva's JEEPERS CREEPERS 2. <P> C) Comparing the crimes of Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer did to what those two did is just being ignorant and intentionally combative. <P> D) Ty Cobb was a huge asshole. He was also deserving to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame because of what he did on the field. <P> E) Jefferson was a different era, but guess what? He knew what he was doing was wrong and felt guilt about it. Just read his letters and some of his writings - the man was publicly against slavery, calling it abominable crime," a "moral depravity," a "hideous blot," and a "fatal stain" that deformed "what nature had bestowed on us of her fairest gifts", yet he owned slaves because he was a lazy, greedy bugger and felt guilty over this hypocrisy. Yet I don't discount his work on human rights or drafting the Declaration of Independence and his support of the Bill of Rights.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by Continentalop

    I love TAXI DRIVER (and I love ROCKY) but NETWORK is right up there with TAXI DRIVER. Paddy Chayefsky basically predicted how News shows would just become entertainment base, and practically all but prophesied the rise of Glen Beck.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Conti, MJs is just a little runt.<p> I wouldn't give him the time of day let alone a well-structured answer he neither deserves it nor has a hope of answering it.<p>

  • July 6, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    Agreed, Nolan is a great film maker, and I too have enjoyed all of his films. <P>Interesting that you say what small flaws people point out are "petty and meaningless" to you. Although that seems to be short sighted, as if you don't want to see the flaws, but that is not the discussion. Just keep what you said in mind my friend when being critical of things that you may not like but others do.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by Continentalop

    One quick Penguin post. <P> Here is who I want them to cast: <P> http://tinyurl.com/yfdn42e

  • July 6, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Best directors ever

    by facsoki

    Buñuel Kieślowski Hitchcock

  • July 6, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Your right Cobra--Kai

    by Continentalop

    But you should be. You're the one with the right hand.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Skimn: I Never Saw It, So I Can't Judge

    by Media Messiah

    I did see "The Prestige" though, and Christian Bale was boring as always, and Michael Caine (a legendary great actor), yet again, was wasted by Nolan; that is 3 straight movies where he, Nolan, did nothing of substance with Caine? David Bowie stole the movie, and it should have been about his character Tesla...realy, but the rest of the cast was banal, save for Hugh Jackman, who is always good.<BR><BR>The pacing was slow, and the surprise twist was lazy, and not a worthy surprise at all. The film had no emotional power, or soul, something that is true of all Nolan films that I have seen--they are devoid of heart. Yes, this movie, The Prestige, was another case of hype over true substance. <BR><BR>Nolan has to take the blame for this, the same with his other films, as he was the man in charge, and it was his baby!!!

  • July 6, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Skimm

    by rogueleader66

    I immediately thought of Dreamscape when I heard about Inception. While Dreamscape was a nifty little movie, sentimental favorite of mine, I think Nolan will take that basic idea to a whole new level. There is nothing wrong with taking an idea that came before and using it, as long as you take it to a place that is far beyond what anyone could have thought, and I think Nolan can do that.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Orson Fellini Kurasawa is pretty good too

    by Continentalop

  • July 6, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Can we please please please...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...turn out to the theater in droves for this so that Hollywood gets the idea that maybe - just maybe - there's a good portion of us out in the world that want NEW summer movies with relatively original ideas instead of insipid sequels and remakes? This will be the only "summer blockbuster" movie that I'll be seeing at the theater this year, studios. I expect I'm not alone.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller, will this film live up to your astronomical..

    by ganymede3010

    EXPECTATIONS???

  • July 6, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Fuck this movie! Im not watching it!

    by standundermyumbrella

    Sounds wayyy to complicated

  • July 6, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST BUT WITH CAUTION

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 6, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Hans Zimmer's score takes on lovely, invigorating John Barry dim

    by FlyingToupee

    Oh, my! I am so there on July 16th.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    It's all down to Wally

    by subfreq

    Nolan has a lot to thank Wally Pfister for. By my book he has almost single handedly taken average films and made them look absolutely stunning. The cinematography is the one constant amazing thing across his films. Charaters, action, plot and story are all floored at some point in a Nolan film but they all look exceptional. Makes me laugh that people would even mention his name in the same sentence as Kubrick. Nolan aint a hack but is also no where near the cream of the crop.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    DID YOU SEE THE MACHINIST?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That was no CGI Bale, believe it or not.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Cool...

    by GroolDemon

    I might actually waste the dollars on this.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Sam Raimi announces Evil Dead 4

    by Ray Gamma

    And this site has missed the cool news

  • July 6, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    I know the Joker didn't work alone, but it's still improbably HOW he got all those oil drums. When he had them in those buildings to blow up Rachel or Dent, that I could believe, but he also had those ferries rigged too. How did he possibly have time to do that when he was in jail and doing all that stuff with the Dent? True, he did have a lot of the police force helping him, but it's still a weird point to the story.

  • July 6, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    RP

    by rogueleader66

    Agreed, I know the Joker had a lot to work with, but all those explosives in the ferries, the buildings and the hospital? Just seems too convenient and too easy, and again, this is coming from someone who loved TDK....but...it is NOT without flaws. To deny that is, in a word....stupid.

  • July 6, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66 yeah, I still love the movie

    by RPLocke

    How could you not? It's a great movie. The acting in it is spot on. But some scenes were just there to pad out the film.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    countryboy - re kubrick's mad genius

    by joe b

    "it doesn't say why his movies are great. He maintained a style, did it all himself, it was all real... I admire all that. But how did that make the movies good?" Because Kubrick was of a crop of filmmakers who never were concerned about story primarily but solving the problems of storytelling through film. For example, the narrative of The Shining just wouldn't be effective if it was told from a human point of view (voice over of some character or whatever). In order for us to be enveloped by the story, the story was basically told from the building's point of view. The building is the main character who is connecting the threads between the human stories that go in and out of its presence. Likewise, the underrated A.I. was a fairytale/myth told from the point of view of robots *for* robots (sort of their own Genesis-origins story to make sense of their self conscious understanding of history and existence). And so on. Very few filmmakers even care to attempt to deal with film as lending new ways of defining the storyteller and our relation to the story through the storyteller. Those that do are rarely as competent as Kubrick. just some thoughts

  • July 6, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by Continentalop

    Who is to say the Joker didn't do all of that BEFORE the movie even began? Or that he had a dozen other plots/ideas he never ever had a chance to carry out or the opportunity to use.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by skimn

    Ya know, a lot of people go on about The Prestige, but it didn't do much for me. I admired it, and loved seeing Bowie in a movie again, but I liked other Nolan directed films better.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    ...and weird..

    by skimn

    both Inception and Predators, although with just a handful of reviews, getting 100% on RT. Yea, I know its too early..

  • July 6, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    I don't think so. The Joker says he's there to watch the world burn. That suggests to me he's a planner. He doesn't just do things on a whim. Look at the bank heist. He had that ALL planned out, and he even got rid of his helpers.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    The Joker

    by BlaGyver

    is a great villain in all mediums because he is ALWAYS five steps ahead. While asking how he managed to accomplish what he did is certainly a valid question, the nature of his villainy is that he basically would have had everything planned out and prepared ahead of time. Hell, had the boat scheme REALLY not worked (i.e, different ferries were used, etc.) he probably had three more plans set to take its place.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Plus the moment that defines the Joker's M.O,

    by Continentalop

    is the scene with the crime bosses and he slams the hood's face down on the pencil as a "magic trick." <p> That is what the Joker does. He does "magic tricks." Acts of murder and mayhem so crazy, yet you have no idea how he pulled it off. And the thing is about a magic trick is that you know a trick was involved, and want to know how the magician did it, but he'll never tell you. You're left guessing, and usually the real answer is incredibly simple.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, that is my point

    by Continentalop

    He is a PLANNER. A Master Planner who has plan A, B, C, D, & E all in his little head. You stop Plan A, he goes right to plan B. And if Plan B does pan out he has a dozen more to follow up on, or to start depending on what his enemies do. <P> He's like a chess player who has set you up to lose in a dozen different ways, and is just waiting for you to chose your own downfall.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    What BlaGyver said

    by Continentalop

    It is much more succinct.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    @ Ray Gamma, really? Where?

    by ToMonicker

    *sniffs* Maybe I took the bait, but I'm dubious... Bruce's looking pretty long in the tooth on Burn Notice these days... not that it matters.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    stalkeye, more annie hall

    by mrgray

    Because I'd rather talk about that fantastic classic than how many holes there are in TDK (sure Joker had plenty of henchmen, AsimovLives, and they were all supposedly psychotics, which makes them FANTASTIC AT FOLLOWING ORDERS AND NOT AT ALL KILLING EACH OTHER OR THE JOKER OR HOSTAGES AND DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES 24/7 but whatever). <p> Anyway, Annie Hall. Removing the artist from his deeds aside for a moment, Annie Hall is more interesting from a story progression POV since SW is a blatant Hero's Journey. Now there's nothing *wrong* with Hero's Journey, it's just predictable. Annie Hall also utilizes more interesting storytelling techniques. There's talking to the viewer, internal dialogue externalized, an animated sequence. SW has... um... screen wipes? An opening credit crawl? <p> I'm not looking to be dismissive of Star Wars as it 100% deserves its place as a cultural phenomenon and influence on modern science fiction epics. But I'm definitely looking to dismiss the notion that it was just some bias against science fiction/fantasy that caused the Oscar to go to Annie Hall. Among most critics Woody Allen is a master writer and director, and most agree that Annie Hall is his best work. Star Wars isn't even considered the best of the Trilogy by most.

  • July 6, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    the new dreamscape

    by redrain

    But how does it compare to the human centipede? Now that's a film of true imagination and intelligence,a powerful film!

  • July 6, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Skimn: The Prestige

    by Media Messiah

    I feel that a movie has to have a warmness about it, or around its characters. It has to make you care about those characters--to the point where you feel that you are vicariously living through them, or at least, the lead, but with "The Prestige", there was really none of that, save for small moments at the beginning of the film, from there on, we were watching as if flies on the wall, however, we...as an audience...weren't made to feel immersed in the action--with a stake in the outcome of the story. Nolan needs to work on that in his films. Technically, he has all the bases covered as a director, but he seems to lack emotional understanding for the characters in his movies...in terms of knowing how to emotionally move and engage (involve) an audience. For instance, with "TDK", we watched Rachel and Bruce interact and speak of the woes of their relationship, but we never got to be inside their relationship to feel their love, and know what was at risk, and that is a big flaw, for when Rachel dies, and in the aftermath of her death, we should see the devastating impact on Bruce and understand it, but first, you need to glimpse how very deep that relationship is so you know what it means when Bruce loses her. As well, we should have known what it means for Rachel to give-up Bruce for the greater good, so he will continue on...helping the innocent, and stopping crime as Batman. It would have added 10 to 20 minutes to the film, but it would have been well worth it. Subtract (edit-out) the wholly unnecessary Batman Avengers from the film, Scarecrow, the reporter who was blackmailing Bruce Wayne (and related scenes), as well as the trip to China, and the film's running time would have remained the same, that by adding in the aforementioned scenes that should have been in the film, where a deeper exploration of Rachel and Bruce's romance...and its impact on Harvey, and the impact of the Rachel/Harvey romance on Bruce. It would have been a far better film, if the fat of the other unnecessary scenes had been trimmed--and more emotional relationship scenes had been added in their place. Nolan and Brother were more caught-up in plotting, than character development. For instance, did you notice, Wayne had no social life other than Rachel, Alfred and a few other interactions? For movie trying to play real world in tone, it rung false? Bruce just sits around in business suits all day with Alfred...and talks about the Joker while scanning newspapers, where is the emotion in that?

  • July 6, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    In regards to the TDK "flaws"

    by BLEST

    the only valid one is the school bus not showing damage.<p>Joker has the mob, the crazies, the police, and who else knows working for him...and he's a master planner. The taking control of the mob, taking their money, killing of the judge/police commissioner, being captured to escape to kill rachel was ALL set up to make Harvey Dent go bad...remember his dialogue at the end to Bats: "You thought that my grand scheme was to fist fight you on the roof?".<p>He plays chess, not checkers. My guess is those plots were being set up a few months ahead of time. Heck, they could've been planting barrells in the ferries while the cops/batman were rushing to the wherehouses to get dent and rachel...

  • July 6, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    I think The Joker had a laundry list of plans in effect, but he sticks to his original plans even when they try to backfire on him, like when the Bank guy tried to shoot him. What plan did he have backed up then? He had to shoo the two guys to get out.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Also, these are Nolans films:

    by BLEST

    1.) Memento<p> 2.) Insomnia<p> 3.) Batman Begins<p> 4.) The Prestige<p> 5.) The Dark Knight<p> 6.) Inception<p> Can you name one that sucks? Or is only mediocre? Honestly, none of them are.<p>Fanboy hating aside, it's obvious to most people that Nolan films all have great stories, serious actors turning in real performances, and great dedication to the craft of making a good film.<p>In Nolan I Trust. (and I will, until he makes a film that I don't like)

  • July 6, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    You are aware that Memento was not Nolan's debut, yes?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    His first film was 'Following', a b & w noir made for the princely sum of $6000 (or the equivalent in UK pounds).<P>Also, what's this sycophantic 'In Nolan We Trust' bullshit that keeps getting repeated ad nauseam like some drone catchphrase? He's good all right, but don't lay it on so thick.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, he didn't have a backup plan for that

    by Continentalop

    Why? Because he is practically suicidal and willing to take crazy risk that no one else would. Hell, his entire goal is to push Batman to kill him. Pretty hard to stop a guy who is so out-come independent.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    BLEST none of them suck

    by Continentalop

    But PRESTIGE and BATMAN BEGINS were only slightly above mediocre, and none of his films are at that CHINATOWN, GODFATHER, GOODFELLAS level yet IMO. MEMENTO is his only great film in my opinion.

  • July 6, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Conti- Bob Hoskins as Penguin

    by YackBacker

    Brilliant. And he would fit in perfectly with the actors he's employed thus far. I am of the belief that British actors have much more in common with our older American actors than present day homegrown "talent." Ray Winstone, Ian McShane, Bob Hoskins, Tom Wilkinson... these guys are true grit. I can't name any American contemporaries that measure up in the toughness category. Gene Hackman is retired. Roy Scheider is dead. John Wayne is spinning in his grave over this TWILIGHT series. We've become a nation of wankers.

  • July 6, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I love trolling ya, but seriously...those guys are fuckin assholes and their movies are shit. Your average NORMAL guy doesn't even know who the fuck those dudes are...and they shouldn't. They make whack-ass college film school movies. Maybe that's why you like them. Your eccentric or gay or whatever. First off, REAL COMEDIES DON'T WIN OSCARS...hell they don't even get considered. 2nd, Woody has been molesting for years. He just wasn't caught until the 90's. He was banging out Soon Yi when he first met Mia Farrow in 1980. He wasn't just banging Soon Yi either, his other kids were also molested by him. So in conclusion "birds of a feather stick together", and that's why you love Woody soooooo much. FIN

  • July 6, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    No, he WASN'T punishing Batman! The Joker's plan was to turn Harvey Dent from a good citizen to a mob guy. And Batman got in the way.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Nolan's films from best to worst

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    1)Memento<p>2)The Prestige<p>3)The Dark Knight<p>4)Following<p>5) Insomnia<p>6)Batman Begins. With Batman Begins being a solid blockbuster but only on the Iron Man level or slightly above.<p>For comparison sake, every Kubrick film (discounting the meddled studio production Spartacus and the two amateur efforts, Fear and Desire and Killer's Kiss) is better than Memento, save Lolita and The Killing which are still better than anything BUT Memento. Nolan still has a long, long way to go to reach Kubrick's level, if indeed he ever does.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    MJ's corpse

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Allen and Polanski's best movies are far from shit. That cannot be denied, no matter the mucky details of their private lives. Allen's films since the mid-90's have been largely indulgent crap, though, I give you that.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    MJ, you're an idiot

    by Continentalop

    Not even going to waste my time with you troll. FIN.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, I disagree

    by YackBacker

    Joker called out Batman- he murdered that fat guy in the batsuit, demanded that Batman reveal himself and then blew up Bats' girl. And turning Harvey from good to evil was his way of showing Batman that people are inherently not good, which he sought to prove further with the ferry boats. He wanted to make Batman break his one rule, and even if he couldn't succeed, he wanted to isolate Batman from the rest of the world, which he did accomplish. Joker changed the game and he actually won in the end. All Batman did was adjust his stature as a hero to outcast, as a way to deny Joker the small victory of ruining Harvey Dent's reputation.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Why brilliant

    by doubleh55

    Why do movie reviews always replace smart with brilliant to describe somebody in a movie that's mart?

  • July 6, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Ahhh Cobra--Kai, my special little AICN fan...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I see that you have been a good little inmate and earned time on the prison's computer. So are you attending Comic Con like all good AICN trolls? I got my tickets. I got my whole trip planned out to the minute too. I'm gonna see Harry, and Stan Lee, and hopefully you. I can spare at least 5 minutes to see you and bounce your head off the ground...you've earned it! Here's how it will all go down: I will spend about 4:59 laughing and making fun of your soft pear-shaped body and then I will spend about 1 second throwing a overhand right into your zit-covered temple putting you to sleep for the rest of the day. Then I might spend an additional 5 - 10 minutes taking pictures with various ComicCon attendees dressed like Storm Troopers or Klingons while standning over your fat unconscious body. Then I'll upload the photos and post them (with TinyUrl ofcourse) on AICN so everyone can share in our experience. Because everyone loves to see a loud-mouth-bitch silenced with a closed fist.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    No RPLocke, not punish

    by Continentalop

    PUSH Batman. His entire goal is to corrupt and destroy peoples most cherished beliefs. Batman won't kill but Joker wants to prove that those beliefs are an illusion and that anyone can be a killer, like him. "Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stranger." i.e. a killer like himself. <p> Harvey Dent was just another tool to push Batman and hopefully break him.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah Continentalop!!!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    troll troll trolly troll!

  • July 6, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    MJ you really going to Comic Con?

    by Continentalop

    I never go to conventions but I would make an exception to meet with you. I'm sure I would enjoy it. <p> I'll wait for your "tough guy" bravado and laugh to myself in 3...2...1...

  • July 6, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Hey I found a pic of Cobra--Kai and Continentalop!!!!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    http://tinyurl.com/2vhoxc6

  • July 6, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Oh I'm going sweet heart...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Ya want some hawaiian punch?

  • July 6, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    BLEST - "the only valid one"

    by mrgray

    No. "The only valid one" according to YOU. Plenty of others have found various complaints/flaws perfectly valid. And I'd argue the point, except I did it when the movie premiered, then a few weeks later, then a few weeks after that, then a few months after that, then etc. until finally I realized that I was mostly shouting at brick walls.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    lol

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    how about a knuckle sandwich

  • July 6, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    or better yet

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    a cock-meat sandwich

  • July 6, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Sure MJ. You can give it to me in person

    by Continentalop

    What days are you going to be there? Let's make this happen.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    what?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    The cock-meat sandwich, I know your type. Thursday and Friday chunky.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Tis the season to be trolly....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    trall la lal lah lah....

  • July 6, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    No seriously, let's do this

    by Continentalop

    No need shooting lip if you actually want to meet. Save the talk until then. If fact, why even talk, you can show me exactly what you think of me in person. I live in LA, so getting to Comic Con shouldn't be that hard, or you could meet me up here.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Continentalop and Cobra--Kai

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    FYI - Apparently, MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse is/was also known as:<P>GarysMidgetCorpse, CaptainCarnage, HARRYIZAFAGGOT, Charger26, & HARRYIZABITCH.<P>So, if that little shitstain's "charm" smells familiar, there you go.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    lol, I'm not joking ...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    porkchop. I'm from San Diego. I'll whoop your ass in and outside of the convention. Lol, you sociopaths are so easy to get riled up...and beat up.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    MNG, you old space pirate!

    by YackBacker

    How you be?

  • July 6, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius!!!!! Long time no chat!!!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I thought you died of AIDS?!

  • July 6, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Annie Hall vs Star Wars

    by DmitryPortnoy

    Woody Allen is inimitable. George Lucas is imminently imitable. (Excuse me while I untie my tongue. Here you go.) The only writer/director who can make a better romantic comedy than "Annie Hall" is Woody Allen, something he proved with "Manhattan." No one else can imitate him. Watch "When Harry Met Sally" and "Annie Hall" back to back for proof. There's a reason no one does that double feature. Lucas is different. Only three years after "Star Wars," Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan and Irwin Kirschner made a better Star Wars movie than Lucas, "Empire Strikes Back." I know that's just my opinion, but it's widely shared, and even those who prefer "A New Hope," consider "Empire" a worthy follow-up. Lucas's example laid the ground for every sci-fi blockbuster ever since, and showed the way to go for everyone from James Cameron to Gore Verbinsky to, yes, Michael Bay. The only one who couldn't imitate the efficient, propulsive, populist spectacle of "Star Wars" is Lucas himself. Whatever the relative merits of "Annie Hall" and "Star Wars," the first one is a personal expression of the film maker; the second an example of a film maker momentarily taking the reins of something larger than himself, before being almost instantly thrown off.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Did you come here to ....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    help out a fellow pedophile in need? Continentalop could sure use your help.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    YackBacker!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Doing alrighty, sir. Thanks. You? I assume that you're looking forward to seeing what Nolan's been cookin' with this flick, eh?

  • July 6, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    "Long time no chat!!!"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Not nearly long enough, cocksucker!!!

  • July 6, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    MNG...you going to the Con too?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Are ya gonna get Continentalop's back...and fuck it.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Lucas broke new ground

    by YackBacker

    Just because people have been aping STAR WARS (including Lucas) ever since shouldn't diminish the importance of Lucas' original work. I'm a big Lucas basher, but I can't diminish what he pulled off with that first film. It's a flawed film in many small ways, but he understood his audience and he knew how to rouse them. That's a great filmmaker, even if it was for one film.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    You live in SD. Awesome

    by Continentalop

    You want to drive up we can meet at Legends Gym in Hollywood. It is located on Santa Monica Blvd. If you can't I am sure I can find a gym down there we can meet at. Or we could just meet at the convention. Your call. <p>

  • July 6, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    lol, the hate is welling up in your eyes

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • July 6, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    c'mon. This is your chance

    by Continentalop

    To back up what you've been saying. I mean, I am just a homo pedophile film geek according to you. What do you have to worry about, right?

  • July 6, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    MNG- yeah, I'm excited for this movie

    by YackBacker

    I've been spoiler free, so the reviews aren't really factoring into my excitement. I'm glad the advance word is positive, but I've reached the point where I don't go in with any set expectations with any movie. I think the aforementioned Lucas killed the hopeful film-goer inside of me with that last INDIANA JONES flick.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I'm only 5'7" and weight 140lbs

    by Continentalop

    And I have glasses and asthma.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    "MNG...you going to the Con too?"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nope.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Legends Gym lol...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I'm sure that's where you practice your brazilian jiu jitsu. Look bitch, your gonna have to eats ye spinach if you think you can hang with me. But, I go on leave mid July and I'll be in Lakeside, which is part of San Diego County by the 20th. I'll be on AICN everyday until then. So as the 20th gets closer and your balls shrink a little more, we can keep in touch on the talkbacks if you really want to test your size.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius

    by Liberal_Warrior

    You made the Warrior laugh with that cocksucker line.

  • July 6, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    yackbacker, counterarguments

    by mrgray

    Joker had no intention of "turning" Dent. He planned to kill him. By explosion. On what planet does tying a guy to explosives and then detonating said explosives constitute an effort to influence that guy's opinion/personality? Joker didn't "blow up Bats' girl" because Joker didn't know about Dawes' relationship with Bruce NOR that Bruce = Batman. At most he knew that Batman would jump out a window for her (as opposed to another innocent party, which while I understand wouldn't be efficient sure would demonstrate that Batman gives a shit about someone OTHER than Bruce's personal friends and lovers, you know, like a real vigilante hero - an element sorely lacking in TDK). And I agree with the read on the ferry boat situation, which only goes to show even further how up its own ass that script was. Seriously, the climax of our comic book movie or crime drama or whatever you want to call it involves the antagonist creating an elaborate morality exercise/detente metaphor? Over which the antagonist waxes philosophical with the protagonist? I felt like the movie was giving me a Philosophy 101 lecture. Fuck. That. Nonsense.

  • July 6, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Why you talking shit MJ

    by Continentalop

    I told you I would meet you. Only guys who talk shit when a guy has AGREED to meet with them is someone who is planning on backing out. I'm not backing out. <P> You want to meet, lets make this happen. No need to try to sound tough because I am willing to let you prove it. You can show just how tough you are. <P> And no, that is not where I study BJJ. Besides, they don't even teach BJJ there - they call it 10th Planet Jiu-jitsu at a Legends.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Liberal...lol that's like confessing that you're a bitch

  • July 6, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    By the way MJ, what is your MOS?

    by Continentalop

  • July 6, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I hear ya. It's funny trying to steer clear of spoilers on this one. While I'd love to know more details, I've grown weary of having initial viewing experiences tainted by reviews and such. These days, I just try to enjoy films while daring them to impress me.<P>As for Lucas and KOTCS, the less said about that unholy couple the better. It may be the most disappointing cinematic experience I've ever had.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Star Wars changed filmmaking forever

    by RPLocke

    Woody Allen hasn't made a good movie in Decades.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    That may be RPLocke

    by Continentalop

    But it doesn't mean ANNIE HALL wasn't good.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    aicnfight2010@yahoo.com. Let's keep in touch, I created it just for you

  • July 6, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    use the e-mail for that stuff homo

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • July 6, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    mrgray, counter-counterarguments

    by YackBacker

    I don't expect we'll agree on these points ever, but I appreciate your taking the time to write our your opinions intelligently:<p> 1) Joker gambled that Batman would save Dawes, and he was right- that's why he put Harvey in the place he said Dawes would be. He saw something more than Batman willing to just save a random girl from the fundraiser. He bet big on that one and he was right- Joker is not a dumb guy. I wonder if he actually knew Batman's secret identity. But in any case, the script firmly establishes Joker's observations of Batman & Rachael through the interrogation scene.<p> 2) Is the movie preachy? I agree with that statement. No arguments there. I would only say that Joker's arsenal goes beyond guns and hoodlums and he represents a more modern, real-life threat in TDK (that of a terrorist, not a criminal). Terrorists want to take down the system because they see it as evil or flawed. Joker wasn't in it for the money, agreed?

  • July 6, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    HA! Much obliged. Always good to see the Warrior.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Corpse fukker

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Thank you. I was bored and you took the bait. <p> You beetle dicked, goat raping, pucker lipped licker of an inflamed diseased wombat pussy. <p> Bring it.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I feel special MJ

    by Continentalop

    And remember, no need to back out. I'm a tiny guy and way out of shape. Shit, I've only fought my brother's a couple of times in my life. I'm just doing this because I want to see if you are all mouth or not. I'm willing to let myself get my ass beaten.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I know Continentalop

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • July 6, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Im all trolled out, catch ya next time faggot.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Corpse Fukker ...I heard you were castrated

    by Liberal_Warrior

    After you raped your third juvenile wallaby. Hows that working out for ya champ?

  • July 6, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    MNG- this summer has been pretty atrocious

    by YackBacker

    INCEPTION may be the only movie I even care to see. I saw IRON MAN 2 out of geek-duty. It was not terrible, it was not good. I've been spending more time going through old movies on video. I've probably seen more movies in the last few months than in any other period in my life. But not even 5% of those are current theatrical releases.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    BLEST: Two-Face Never Should Have Been In TDK

    by Media Messiah

    That was just more of the bad plotting in the film. Two-Face should have been saved for the sequel. His appearance in "TDK" made the film over-bloated, and we were given extra story that we didn't need. They should have stuck with the Joker versus Batman conflict and ended it with the Joker's demise, capture, or disappearnace. Nolan is not a good story, or film, editor...and doesn't know when and where to cut the fat from his films.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    BTW MJ

    by Continentalop

    I love how you tried to insinuate you're in the armed forces (you said you'll be on leave), probably trying to insinuate that you're a marine. But you completely ignore my question about what your MOS is. <P> I've asked a bunch of guys who serve what their MOS is online, and the only ones who ignore that question are fucking frauds. <P> Not calling you one but...well, I guess I am.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    it's Army

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    11 years and it's 25W. but once again, use the email.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I will

    by Continentalop

    As soon as I am done at the office.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    YackBacker - Agreed.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I don't got to the theater much these days. And when I consider what the Hollywood machine is churning out these days, I much rather watch films of my choosing at home. (You should see my Netflix queue - nothing but older films, documentaries, and various TV series.) But every once in awhile, something comes along that looks like it deserves to be seen on the big-screen. INCEPTION definitely seems to fit that bill.<P>Speaking of IRON MAN 2, I finally saw that about 2 weeks ago. Like you, I did it out of some sense of duty. Gotta say, I was rather disappointed. The whole film felt like one long deleted scene from the first film. There was entirely too much plot and certain scenes (like the discussion over Rourke's bird) were just flat out stupid. At this point, considering how Marvel is ramping up the other hero films (THOR and CAP), I don't see the need for a third IRON MAN.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Didn't read past sentence one

    by Rand92

    Inception is a reward for making a commercially successful film? What does that mean? Please, please, please tell me you aren't one of those reviewers who is too elitist to realize the worth of a film made purely to entertain -- that does not have to have tricky visual cues that only a film student would notice. Nolan's reward should be that people liked his films.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    MNG- it hurts a site like AICN too

    by YackBacker

    We've reached the point where almost every TB is about trashing the shit Hollywood puts out. Yes, we've always been a cynical bunch, but now we're justifiably so! What have you watched recently that you'd recommend?

  • July 6, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Fucking awesome, Conti

    by TedKordLives

  • July 6, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Sorry, that's "go to" -- not "got to".

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Bloody typos.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I recommend ...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Two Girls One Cup

  • July 6, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Rand92, agreed

    by YackBacker

    Beaks' review is pretension to the hilt. He's the guy who majors in film at community college.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Ted! We miss you man.

    by Continentalop

    How are you doing?

  • July 6, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Yep. And at this point, AICN needs all the help it can get.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Which makes me wonder what these big announcements are that Harry is supposedly cooking up...<P>Some recent stuff would include: THE VERDICT, BRONSON, STREET FIGHT (doc), JOHN ADAMS (mini-series), DUCK SOUP, and GHOSTS OF RWANDA (Frontline doc). I'm thinking about revisiting THE YOUNG ONES here soon. Heh.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Teddy

    by YackBacker

    Good to see your mug.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Dear Hollywood,

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

    Please hire Christopher Nolan and Pixar to make all summer movies from now on. Yours truly, The World

  • July 6, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Of course you do, MJ.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What good are TOCs if they don't waste valuable resources watching scat porn.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Heya guys.

    by TedKordLives

    First post since then and I'm immediately jumped by a couple of Peebs. :>)

  • July 6, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    I loved THE VERDICT

    by YackBacker

    I haven't seen BRONSON or STREET FIGHT. I liked the last parts of the JOHN ADAMS mini more than the first couple of episodes (particularly the Inauguration of G.W.), DUCK SOUP kills me and the other ones I've not seen yet. <p> I just watched PAPILLON and loved it. I also watched THE SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD- a brilliant performance by Richard Burton, check it out.

  • July 6, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    GLENN_THE_TOOL

    by RPLocke

    Hey dude, ever notice you don't see any kids at Pixar movies? They're made for adults.

  • July 6, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Ted, we're the embarassing relatives at your HS graduation

    by YackBacker

    We smell like mothballs and we have funny haircuts!

  • July 6, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Can someone explain what the point

    by JackSlater4

    of having such a secure set, and all this mystery and secrecy about a movie for so long, only to turn around and let all the critics spoil it all over the internet, papers and magazines 2-3 weeks before the movie comes out?

  • July 6, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Hehe.

    by TedKordLives

  • July 6, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah, THE VERDICT is great.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I had not seen it in years and all it did was make me miss Paul Newman all over again. BRONSON is a little iffy but totally worth it. It's like a modern day CLOCKWORK ORANGE and Tom Hardy's performance is incredible. (Definitely looking forward to his role in INCEPTION.) STREET FIGHT is fascinating, especially if you like local-style politics and elections.<P>I'll add PAPILLON (don't believe I've ever seen that all the way through) and THE SPY WHO... to my queue tonight.<P>(I must also heartily recommend SPARTACUS: BLOOD AND SAND. I know it sounds goofy but damn if that show didn't turn out to be a cool surprise.)

  • July 6, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    JackSlater4, I have a feeling there was a leak

    by Continentalop

    It just seems like something they would have done to stop one bad leak by letting it get buried under a ton of reviews, and having confidence it would probably be well received.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    CONTIPOPS ARE YOU REALLY GONNA KICK MJ'S ASS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Plz uploads to da Youtube.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Thanks, MNG

    by YackBacker

    I'll look into the BLOOD, SAND & BOOBS. Xena = hawt.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    HEY THERE'S AN INCEPTION COMMERCIAL ON THE TELLY

    by BringingSexyBack

    What a coinkeedink.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    TV is becoming better than mainstream cinema

    by SimonDunkle

    I'd rather watch Breaking Bad or Dexter or repeats of Sopranos for HOURS on end than spend a couple hours watching junk in a room full of people destined to annoy you with their chewing popcorn and mobile phone alerts.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Nevertheless, I'm seeing Inception at Imax

    by SimonDunkle

    Where the sound system should adequately drown out the sounds of other people.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE MOVIES U GUYS TALKING ABOUT

    by BringingSexyBack

    But I will, after I catch Step Up 3D this summer.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    IF INCEPTION IS AT LEAST AS GOOD AS PREDATORS 2

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'll be very happy.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    BSB, I respect a man with priorities!

    by YackBacker

    How are you, brother?

  • July 6, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Yackster

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Give it about 3-4 episodes and I think you'll be pleased. And as hawt as Xena is, she's only the tip of the nudity iceberg.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    DOING GOOD BUD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Except for this heat wave. It's a damn scorcher!

  • July 6, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Who knows BSB

    by Continentalop

    Maybe MJ will kick my ass and make me cry. I'm willing to give him that chance. <P> One thing though is I am going to guarantee confirmation. He seems like the type of guy who would bring in a ringer.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    WATCH YOUR BACK CONTIPOPS

    by BringingSexyBack

    FWIW, you already won the fight in our eyes. KO style. No need to out yourself in harm's way, for as you said you never know if he's gonna bring a ringer or friends n shit.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by SimonDunkle

    You seem like a reasonable guy. Why feed the troll? In fact, why offer them a banquet with your balls as a garnish?

  • July 6, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    finally....

    by JaredP

    summer movies worth paying almost ten bucks for this year. predators comes out this week too.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    YES, I DID SEE THE KATY PERRY TOPLESS PICS ON ESQUIRE

    by BringingSexyBack

    And yes, I did pretend she was Zooey and rubbed myself raw. Thank you for asking.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You just remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that...<P>"Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

  • July 6, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    lol, ya'll really settin this dude up

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    gettin your ass beat a hard pill to swallow

  • July 6, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    ACE OF WANDS - YOU SIR, PASSED THE TEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    I mean that sincerely. My post deserved a beatdown and you delivered.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    MJ ARE YOU THE TOUGHEST HOMBRE EVER TO ATTEND COMIC-CON?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 6, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    2nd ....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    only to you BSB

  • July 6, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Well you will get your chance MJ

    by Continentalop

    Why worry about it now, hmmm.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah, you still trying to convince the world

    by MattmanReturns

    that the Dark Knight sucked? How's that workin' out for you?

  • July 6, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    DO THEY EVER HOLD A COMIC-CON IN NEW YORK

    by BringingSexyBack

    Or is it a west coast thing? I wanna see.

  • July 6, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    BSB, it's too hot to masturbate

    by YackBacker

    It's that hot!

  • July 6, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    now if ya read the posts

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    good ol' cunti is the one who wanted to meet after school and fight. Here's the post: I never go to conventions but I would make an exception to meet with you. I'm sure I would enjoy it. I'll wait for your "tough guy" bravado and laugh to myself in 3...2..." Now me being me....not passing that challenge up. I'll meet him and see what he's really about. He can bring friends too. Not worried about it.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    There's a con in New York

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Dallas, Phoenix, Georgia, etc...

  • July 6, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    YACKSTER - HERE'S MY SECRET FOR SUMMERTIME BATIN'

    by BringingSexyBack

    Keep a tube of Eucerin Calming Creme in the fridge. Technically it's for sunburns but I got more creative uses for it ...

  • July 6, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Why would I bring friends?

    by Continentalop

    I said I would be there. And if I remember right weren't you challenging Cobra first?

  • July 6, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    BSB, you're the Mr. Wizard of Whackin' my friend

    by YackBacker

    A regular genius, I tellz ya!

  • July 6, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    ACTUALLY THE WAY I READ IT WAS CONTIPOPS AIDING HIS BUD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Cobra-Kai ... and I'm a pretty good reader.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    "WIZARD OF WHACKIN'" LOL!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Thanks Yack! That's a title I'll wear proudly.

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  • July 6, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Joker

    by rogueleader66

    I can agree that he is a chess player, and probably had several plans in the works, but still, I have a hard time with all these explosives being placed and NOBODY noticed anything unusual. Not like it is a small amount either....again, I loved TDK, and I am honestly not trying to detract it, but to say it is without flaw, IMO is not correct. Is it close to being flawless? Yea I will say that, and I believe what flaws are there are too little to detract from the overall greatness of the film.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I DO CARE. THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA SEE STEP UP 3D

    by BringingSexyBack

    so I can forget what the corporate gangsters are doing to our country, if only for a couple of hours.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66, I think TDK has flaws

    by Continentalop

    But I don't think the Joker is one of them. Like I said above, he is a magician. He makes things happen and we can't explain how. <P> In fact it is very close to how he was when he first appeared in Batman #1. The Joker would kill all these people and pull of these elaborate plans despite Police and Batman interference, and never once did they truly explain how he did it. Joker was always supposed to be a little "supernatural" in a way. Or at least seem almost supernatural.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Somsone forgot to give Media Messiah his meds

    by RPLocke

    that fucker is whacked out.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    But not like David Copperfield, Conti

    by YackBacker

    That guy should try making all those bad mortgages disappear. THEN I'll give the guy some credit as a magician. Until then... no sale.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    THE JOKER IS LIKE DAVID BLAINE!

    by RPLocke

  • July 6, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I wish JettL93 would offer himself for a beating

    by SimonDunkle

    He'd be handing out numbers like a bakery.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Corpse Fukker ...I heard after you were castrated

    by Liberal_Warrior

    You bought a do-it-yourself pussy maker kit.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Well Liberal_Warrior

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    you got a real pussy with all the trimmings

  • July 6, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I would like to try out your pussy too...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    but I'll wait till your dad is finished

  • July 6, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    TDK flaws (from someone who loves it)..

    by The Dark Shite

    1. Batman becomes a secondary character, just like before. When Nolan made begins, a lot of the talk was how Batman was previously the least interesting character & sidelined by the villains & Nolan wanted to change that. In TDK, he repeated the same thing.<p> 2. Omnipotent Joker. Now, some above have already addressed this & mentioned that he had henchmen who could get things done for him, but that doesn't explain how he could know exactly how each scenario would play out.<p> 3. What happens after Joker attacks Bruce's penthouse & Batman jumps out of the window to save Rachel? Are we expected to assume he just left & nobody was harmed?

  • July 6, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Corpse fukker - I heard after you were castrated

    by Liberal_Warrior

    You turned into a zoo whore and opened that ass up for Black Rhino's and horny deranged macaques.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by RPLocke

    I figured that the corrupt cops helped get the Joker out of the Wayne Party.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    thanks, yackbacker

    by mrgray

    Yeah, I usually try to be cogent, or at least not slip into cursing. Which is hard to do given the aforementioned tide of disagreement, much of which is along the lines of "you're a cunt / faggot / elitist / etc." <p> Joker definitely wasn't in it for the money, and in some ways I enjoy the mysteriousness of his motivation. I also appreciate that he's a stand-in for terrorism. My biggest problem with his character IS the fact that he's a stand-in. He's too much a reflection of the theme instead of his own character. I often felt like "okay, Joker is trying to get at Batman, to wear down his sense of righteousness and self. Great. Now... why?" And if it's just that the Joker is fucking with Batman because Batman is the only challenge big and fun enough, then I would've appreciated more Dark Knight Detective stuff. I never felt like Batman was even close to Joker's level, intellectually. I can appreciate Cat and Mouse. This was more like Cat and Ball of Gravelly Yarn. <p> And that was my problem with a LOT of the characters. Too many of them were stand-ins for metaphors and reflective of the theme. Rachael, Dent, Bruce, or Alfred, none of them felt like *people*. Only Gordon felt like a person to me, and even he spent too much time spoon-feeding the audience. To say nothing of the sheer audacious stupidity of that armored truck sequence. Which is fun, but the minute you give it any kind of thought falls to pieces. <p> See, look at me, shouting uselessly again. It's... so... hard... to resist...

  • July 6, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Dislike idea of Joker as "supernatural"

    by SimonDunkle

    Particularly since Nolan removed most of the comic book-y elements, like the Red Hood back story, Joker having a smile from falling into chemicals. I assume the Joker was supposed to be as physically plausible as possible. I think, if you put some thought into it, you could think up some scenarios that made all of the Joker's plans work. Like, the barrels that went on the ferry were loaded by dock employees on a mob payroll and if the barrels were suspicious, they may have been in boxes when they were loaded, all the paperwork for the shipment was faked blah blah blah. It might be implausible, but as long as it's not IMPOSSIBLE.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    For anyone interested here's a list of supposed...

    by odo19

    deleted scenes in TDK, some of which can be backed up by dialogue heard in the trailers but not in the film. <P> Deleted scenes<P>Following rumors that as with the DVD release for Batman Begins, The Dark Knight will not include any deleted scenes, which scenes may have been in the shooting script but unfilmed, filmed but cut, or developed by the novelization's author, Denny O'Neil, will remain ambiguous and left to speculation until official word comes from the film makers. The following are just a few of the known examples: <P>Numerous alternate takes, notably differences of Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker between the film and its trailers. <P>A great deal of backstory for Harvey Dent, including his parents, Harry and Lucy, and how Harvey came to meet Rachel. <P>The Joker, while posing as Bozo before his robbery of Gotham National Bank, stood on the sidewalk waiting for his men to pick him up. An elderly woman stood near him and he slipped her a hundred dollar bill, either to walk away or keep silent about seeing him there. <P>The Chechen had a lackey named Burton who told him about Scarecrow, and set up the meeting for them. <P>Scarecrow sold his drug to a junkie for little money, then after he took the drug was killed by Scarecrow, with the intention of learning its effects. <P>Apparently originally a knife held the note to Brian Douglas' chest, but an alternate scene was filmed showing the note held by a pin. <P>Following the charity event in Bruce's penthouse, the following scene takes place: The Joker looked back toward the penthouse as his getaway car sped away. He breathed hard, exhilarated even as a stream of blood ran down his face. He smacked the back of the driver's seat. Driver: "What do we do about Dent?" The Joker: "I'm a man of my word."<P> Instead of saying he's going after Rachel, Batman said "Dent knew the risks." Rachel's last words before dying: "Bruce. Harvey. I love you."<P> Gordon made it clear that the Joker switched the locations of Rachel and Harvey in his directions. <P> After blowing up the hospital and getting in the bus, a small excised scene takes place in the bus as it escapes, with particular attention going towards the fact that the Joker doesn't look back at the exploding hospital.

  • July 6, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I should probably qualify my 2nd flaw..

    by The Dark Shite

    Obviously The Joker doesn't know how EVERY scenario will play out, (hence the ferry scene), but up until that point he's supposed to be able to not only plan these elaborate schemes, but know exactly what Batman/The police/anyone else involved will do. <p> That's not too much of a flaw in a movie about a man dressed as a bat & fighting crime though.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Be careful Continentalop

    by STICKY WHITE

    That MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse has some serious man boobs, made of what look to be pure muscle. He's also got a couple of outrageously lame tattoos to boot. Though I'm sure he's got some sweet Celtic shit on those bitchin biceps of his. Which makes me wonder, why is a bro posting here anyway? Shouldn't he be out dropping Roofies in some Freshman's wine cooler or maybe paddling some fraternity pledge with his other closeted frat brothers?<p> http://tinyurl.com/2bxtudn

  • July 6, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I'd be more scared of those trannies he's with.

    by The Dark Shite

    Now THOSE really are man boobs!

  • July 6, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    MrNiceGaius

    by BlaGyver

    LOVED Street Fight. "Ah'm Shahp James..."

  • July 6, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    SimonDunkle, that is why I used quotations

    by Continentalop

    He seems almost "supernatural", not that he is. He's like guys like Keyser Soze, Lecter and Anton Chiguhr, guys who almost seem superhuman.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Nothing interests me these days

    by Jay_Lenos_Ugly_Wife

    Not just movies but television, movies, books, etc. Pretty depressing, is there such a thing as pop culture alienation?

  • July 6, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    God if that is really him STICKY WHITE

    by Continentalop

    He must stand 5 foot nothing.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    MJ Corpse is 25W?

    by Xiphos_2

    so you're a female phone operator? Signal Corps is an MOS in the Army dominated by women. What are you going to do, get the rest of the ladies in your squad together and strangle Continetalops with commo wire?

  • July 6, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns Media Messiah is still trying

    by Xiphos_2

    to convince the world he's sane and we can all see how that one is working out, or not working out in his case.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Danny Glover's Dick Blood

    by SavageJuicebox

    Was a great fucking name. All you ass heads with similar copycat names are fucking posers. Get an original thought.

  • July 6, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    GANGS of NEW YORK? WTF???

    by uberman

    Good Lord that was one big stinky fart. You put that up with APOCALYPSE NOW and LAWRENCE of ARABIA? Man, i would understand if you used RAGING BULL, GOODFELLAS or TAXI DRIVER...but GANGS? The whole movie looked and felt like a High School production (with the exception of D. Lewis's 'Butcher Bill'). Please, if ya wanna be credible, take it back.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah isnt real

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    He is a character, surely he must be. <p> Some people use the annoymity of the internet for trolling, trying to be tough and trying to make up for obvious inadequacies, other people use it as a playing ground, a place to be someone else. <p> I am convinced Media Messiah is either a writer on this site or an acting student, though it would be hillarious if he was someone like Michael Bay.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Kubrick's movies

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    haven't seen any pre Spartacus, any recommendations ? <p> 2001 is my favourite then A Clockwork Orange and the Shining. <p> Sadly not a huge fan of Eyes Wide Shut. <p> Bit biased when it comes to Samurai movies so for me I prefer Kurosawa's work over Kubrick, but what a director he was. <p> Nolan for me is the best director of the last 10 years and has the track record to show it. As great as he is still very early days, lets see where he is in 20 years time. <p>

  • July 7, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto respectufully I disagree

    by Xiphos_2

    MM is a real life nut job. Nobody that isn't insane could have that level of commitment. Hell even JettL93 breaks character once in awhile.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Mr. Beaks. I thank you.

    by Mockingbuddha

    I can't wait to see Inception, but thanks to your review I heard about a movie called Primer, which had somehow slipped under my radar. It turns out the whole movie is on youtube. I watched it and it has made this one of the best summers for movies ever! Jesus on toast that was a great fucking movie!!! Primer! I think you might be me reminding myself to watch this movie that I earlier came back and tricked myself into not watching when it first came out! But I'm not gonna fall for it this time!

  • July 7, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto

    by SimonDunkle

    The Killing is Kubrick's best pre-Spartacus IMHO.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Damn

    by I_am_the_ultimate_product

    This review is the alpha and omega of reviews I will read until I see it. Chris Nolan, count my 10 bucks yours!

  • July 7, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    The wonderful thing about this already

    by I_am_the_ultimate_product

    It's making 3d seem as silly as it should be.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Xiphos good point

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    there would be a reuirement for an amazing level of commitment there. <p>

  • July 7, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto

    by Xiphos_2

    agreed. To be that committed you have to be nuts.<p>

  • July 7, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST

    peach ice cream

    by Star Hump

    Sweet Holy Christ walking across the hillocks of Galilee. Delicious.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:37 a.m. CST

    thanks SimonDunkle

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    will check it out

  • July 7, 2010, 1:39 a.m. CST

    100 percent until some dude from some website

    by RPLocke

    we never heard of writes a bad review.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Im not ...

    by Todaysfate

    ssing PRIMER on you tube. You sure it was there?

  • July 7, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Biggest flaw in The Dark Knight?

    by Boo Cocky

    Bale's Batman voice! Towards the end of the movie, during the dramatic scenes, I can't help but cringe every time I hear Bale's throaty growl. I can deal with small plot holes and minor inconsistencies, but somebody during post-editing had to have realized how cheesy Bale sounds when saying more than 3 words in the Batman voice. Also, Eckhart's "Rachel!" screams were hammy. hopefully they will fix this in the next installment because it takes me right out of an otherwise great film every time.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    I'm nothing if not hypre-critical. I have complained and pointed out flaws in movies form filmmakers and movies i like. I can turn my opinion on directors that i conce liked, likethe case of Zemeckis. Thus, i don«'t do defenses for defenses sake, or criticism for criticism sake. The so-called flaws that many of you see in ñolan's movies, specially THE DARK KNIGHT, io se them as petty, and as atempts to try to find big flaws into a very good movie that ended up popular. I do notice that in USA and UK there is a dentency, even an entertaiment, based on the putting up and bringing down of creative people. In fact, something tells me that INCEPTION will get the most negative reactions from the people in here of the whole Nolan career. This is what i expect, given how some people act about TDK trying to find big ass flwas or lots of smaller ones to find cracks in the movie. INCEPTION will be hunting time for the geeks here. Forthose who want to refuse the notion that this Nolan fellow, so far he really seems to know what he's doing.<br><br>I defend Nolan's movies because, so far as i can tell, all the flaws pointed out to his movies are just hogwash.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Todaysfate

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Here you go. http://tinyurl.com/primerpart1 <p> And here's a nice chart to help make sense of the damned thing.. http://tinyurl.com/primerchart

  • July 7, 2010, 3:10 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    The wonders of pre-planing. Despistes the Joker's claims that he's improvising as he goes along, his actions reveal the exact opposite. It's all part of the plan.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:17 a.m. CST

    mrgray

    by AsimovLives

    Psychotics can be great at following orders. Ever heard of the Nazi SS?

  • July 7, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse is FAGGOT?

    by AsimovLives

    I was wondering what had happened to FAGGOT. Actually, i wasn't, i had completly forgotten about FAGGOT.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    Media Messiah's mission in life is not working very well. He's a voice in the wilderness without much of an echo, if you know what i mean.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Fighting does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Cobra--Kai strode across the ash strewn plain. The charred ground crunching under his mighty footsteps.<p> 'There was a flame war fought here', he mused, 'a big one'.<p> His eyes scanned the horizon for fatalities. None. Just dark smoke and soot. Then he saw it...<p> Curled in a foetal position. Frozen like a victim of Pompei. A little runt. MJs cold dead pale corpse. 'Not so cold now actually' thought Cobra in grim amusement at the still smoking body.<p> Cobra unzipped himself and holding aloft the mighty serpent proceeded to relieve himself all over MJ. The piss turned to steam and Cobra laughed. Loud and hearty.<p> MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!<p> MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Asimov, the ending of Prestige is a huge flaw

    by IndustryKiller!

    There is nothing, NOTHING, int hat film that sets up a climax that includes electric cloning. And no, a shot of a bunch of hats at the outset is not sufficient world building or foreshadowing for that. This is to say nothing of the fact that Bale's character, while meaning to send Jackman on a wild goose chance, just HAPPENS to send him on a wild goose chase to a man who just HAPPENS to build an electric cloning machine able to exactly replicate Bale's trick. That's some pretty coincidental bad luck on Bale's part. That's lazy screenwriting 101. And PLEASE keep in mind I have nothing against Nolan and that The Dark Knight is one of my top ten favorite films of all time. But the Prestige has a masssive flaw, whether you can live with it or not is immaterial.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    I can't understand the complains about Batman's voice

    by AsimovLives

    It's very obvious that the voice is another mask to disguise who he is, Bruce Wayne. It's a pretty nice detail, in fact, and it makes sense. I really don't understand the complain about it. What would people want instead? That he would speak with his normal voice? Sing his lines in falsetto as Batman? The voice is a necessary ruse to disguise his identity. Wayne is, in the words of Falconi in the first movie, Gotham's own prodigal son, one would need to go 1000 miles away to not heard of him. So, Wayne being the most recognizable person in gotham, and he wouldn't pull a voice disguise? He might as well ut a neo sign saying "I'm Bruce Wayne" otherwise.<br><br>One thing that amuses me and boggles my mind is the people who complain about Batman's voice and yet loved everything about Rorscharch in THE WATCHMEN, including his voice, of which he only speaks in a very raspy fashion. Even raspier then Batman. Double standards much?<br><br>Whenever i see that "Batman Voice" criticism, i think it's one of those lame easy criticism which is not very well though out, it's the kind of stuff people come up with just to try to sound clever, while not. I mean, one should put a bit more of though into a criticism, and not just based it on some knee jerk reaction.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    And if there is a flaw in the Two Face TDK conclusion

    by IndustryKiller!

    it's that Eckhart, after putting in a damned near Oscar worthy portrayal of Harvey Dent throughout most of the film, doesn't quite nail Two Face's insanity and duality. I suspect this might be Nolans fault though. Also the decision to have him go after Gordons family, of all people, seems a little perplexing. You can sort of justify it with the talk in the beginning about Dent telling Gordon his men are corrupt, but it's certainly not the STRONGEST dramatic choice.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    The problem you find with THE PRESTIGE, which i don't, is that only by the sencond half of the movie you notice you have bveen watching a science ficton movie all along. The thing is, why should a science fiction has to anounce it's own genre right from the bat? If we can be so easy on the other genres, why not SF too?<br><br>THE PRESTIGE is a SF movie. And a bloody good one at that. And the ending is brillant, if you think about it.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    And any movie that portaits Nikola Tesla as a genious...

    by AsimovLives

    ... which he really was, and Thomas Edison as the conniving thief which he really was, deserves respect in my book. One detail more of why i love the movie so much.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Eh, I don't think I can go there with you Asimov

    by IndustryKiller!

    it's kind of like at the end of Saving Private Ryan, the Nazis about to take the bridge, and Tom Hanks summons a dragon, then saying Saving Private Ryan is a brilliant Fantasy film.<P>Ok ok I know it's not THAT extreme, but you get my meaning.<P> I don't know if a film has to so much announce it's genre, but I don't think The Prestige even really dabbles in it until that moment. And I don't think setting up Tesla as being an ambiguously shady dude counts.<P> A cinematic world and it's possibilities should at least be in the reaches of the imagination of the viewer after the first act and a half, otherwise you are heading into very dangerous territory, in which the filmmaker gets to cheat by changing the rules at random to write himself out of corners. I think Nolan does that in The Prestige. Moreover, i think the cloning aspect changes the theme of the film and robs it of a very human element of obsession. Doing something morally ambiguous out of selfish need when it comes to ridiculous impossibilities is a very different thing than crossing those same boundaries in a very relateable and real way. I thought the film was going for the latter and then it just arbitrarily switcharoos into the former. I'll say though that the acting and directing in that film are fucking fantastic, it's just that cheat that bothers me.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    But hey, the David Bowie casting.....wow

    by IndustryKiller!

    I mean talk about using a guys real life legend to sort of catapult that otherworldly quality into the next level. Nolan can cast a film, man.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    I think Eckhart played Harvey's duality quite well. The movie seeds Harvey's darker side constantly throughout it. They evne do a subtle cinematography trick to pull it out. notice that whenever Harvey acts like a all around boyscout nice guy, his face is lighted from the direction of where he will still retain his face later on. When Harvey acts like a ballsbreaker or when he shows a darker side, his face is lighted on the side which late will be disfigured. Chekc out the movie again and notice that detail. And all this build up to Harvey's final mental state. I saw no problem, or as you call it, flaws in that at all either. THE DARK KNIGHT works a charm for me, or any other Nolan movie for that matter. and i find it particulary amuzing that people are so forgiving about dumbed down stupid movies like those made by Michelle Bay or make huge efforts to not take notice of the deep flaws found in Jar Jar Abrams's PSEUDO TREK, and yet go all jihad and extreme about some perceived flaws in nolan's movies, specially THE DARK KNIGHT, all of them which have been very sucessfully explained and defended by others then me.<br><br>THE DARK KNIGHT is truly a smart movie, and not one of those which pretend to be smart like THE DAVINCI CODE. All this stuff truly boggles my mind. If people spent more effort criticising the truly dumb shitty instead of wasting in minor quarels about perceived flaws in truly good movies which don't really have much of them, that would be time and effort more well spent.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, i do have a problem with the ending of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, and not so much about the last minute cavalry charge of the P-47 and the army detail. And that's because, even with tthat, Hanks still dies, which was unexpected. no, my problem with that movie is the same with the begining: i fucking detested the bookends with the old gezzer. For reasons beyond understanding, they decided that the old gezzer was Ryan, which makes absolutly no bloody ense at all. How the hell could that PARATROOPER had any memory of the D-Day Omaha landing fight? Other then that, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is cinematic heaven.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:21 a.m. CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS

    by AsimovLives

    Smart movies are far more entertaining, you ass.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:33 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    And the movie THE PRESTIGE doesn't portait Tesla as ambiguous, merely as a recluse, which he was. And with good reason, because he was plagued with Thomas "Piece Of Shit" Edison's spies and sabouters. In fact, in the movie, Tesla is shown as a man of great integrity, which he was. If anything, he shows himself to be a bit naive (which he was) because he was fooled into helping Hugh Jackson, the movie's true villain of the piece. In fact, Tesla in THE PRESTIGE is fooled again by a man without scruples as he once was with Thomas Edison. and of course, the casting of David Bowie was brillant. I always love to see Bowie in a movie, the dude can really act, for a musician.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:34 a.m. CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS, merry christmas to you too

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Asimov, I think you misunderstood....

    by IndustryKiller!

    On my Harvey Dent point. Im exclusively talking about Eckhart AFTER he has made the transition to Two Face, up until that point I agree he's brilliant and all the pieces for a great Two Face are there. But I think Nolan made a mistake by not making Two Face an actual split personality like in the comic, someone who is clinically insane. He seems more just driven by rage than by an alter ego he has literally no control over. I would have liked them to hew closer to the source material on that one as one of the comic counterparts most distinguishing character features is that Two Face is an actual split personality of Harvey Dent, they either didn't have the time or inclination to do that properly.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    And i'm glad you liked the other elements in THE PRESTIGE. The thing about that movie, as i already mentioned, is that it's a SF movie which you only learn about that later in the story. And that's due to the period setting of the story. but notice one thing about the movie: the way it was shot and edited, it's in the fashion of a contemporaenan movie, ad not done like the usual period movie. It's another one of the subtle lcues the movie does to tell the audiences that there is more to it then at first sight. Also, the SF genre that it only later openly presents as, that is another one of those magic tricks that the movie constantly does, mirroing the subject and the two main characters of the story.<br><br>Yeah, i really like THE PRESTIGE.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS

    by AsimovLives

    I'm portuguese, i don't give a fuck about the 4th of july.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:11 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    Correct me if i'm wrong, ebcause in this you seem to know mroe then i do, but from what i understand about the subjec,t there seem to be two school of thoughs about the presentation of Harvey Dent, even in the comics. On one hand, Harvey is shown as suffering a truly extreme case of dissociative identity disorder (once called multiple personality disorder). On the other hand, other times he's presented as a person who changed personality very radically, which does cause him madness due to the stress of the change. And i think the later is how Dent was presented in Nolan's movie. So, i don't think the movie presents a version of Dent too divorced form what has been done before. But you can explain me in more detail if that's correct, i'm sure.<br><br>And did you had noticed that cinematography trick to the face of Eckhart whenever they present harvey Dent and depending of his moods? I loved that stuff. And funny enough, i picked it up in the first viewing. It's the thing about Nolan's movies for me, they make me pay attention to them when i watch them, it makes me participative in the viewing. And i don't pick up on all the details, which is why for me all of Nolan's movies made since BATMAN BEGINS are multiple viewing experiences for me, and each time i watch them they get better and better. Can't wait for INCEPTION.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Similarity to Memento

    by furnari5

    It would seem that the Dom Cobb character is similar to Leonard Shelby in Memento in that Leonard is manipulated both by Teddy and also Natalie just as it appear Dom Cobb is. I'll have to see Inception and report back. Memento is my all-time favorite film. I am really looking forward to Inception.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Asslives is gay for Nolan(But he Really loves his goats)

    by Sal_Bando

    It's okay. But we REALLY wanna know-where'd you get those Ledger Underroos?? and how did you manage to get them in Goat size-?? that's an amazing look you've come up w/. Federation Redshirt, JokerRoos and Spock Ears, in the Almada Goat populace. You are a GENIUS, Asslives!!! My hat's off to you!<p> One of your goats has sued you for palimony-

  • July 7, 2010, 6:27 a.m. CST

    furnari5

    by AsimovLives

    You and me, brother.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Shit_Bando = shit

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    MNG/Yack

    by just pillow talk

    Recent great movie seen: Elite Squad. I encourage you to check it out if you have not seen it.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    and it's always fun to see someone throw around

    by just pillow talk

    threats and insults, and then scamper away when actually challenged.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by AsimovLives

    Elite Squad, the brazilian movie?

  • July 7, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by just pillow talk

    Yes.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by AsimovLives

    Haven't seen it yet but have heard nothing but good things about it.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    We need another review about INCEPTION

    by AsimovLives

    To contrast from Mr Beaks. Mr Beaks' opinions for me are aleways suspect, evne about the good movies. Remember, he's the guy who loved BAD BOYS II and equated Mickey Bay with Samuel Breckett. Mr Beaks can say strange shit like that. And then there's his Best Of The Decade list (Bring It On above The Dark Knight??). And the other positive review is from Devin Faraci, a guy who is, well, strange. We really need another perspective about INCEPTION.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    it is very well done

    by just pillow talk

    Acting is top-notch and the story/drama is quite good. A brutal, unflinching look at the BOPE and the conditions in Rio de Janiro in '97. Those conditions may very well still exist there. I've only passed through there a couple of times over the last few years.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    INCEPTION does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, your wish is my command. I have the review of INCEPTION in my hands.<p> I'm not going to type the whole thing out but it's uber positive - 5 stars out of 5. Although it seems to caution the film may be too brainy for the unwashed masses. Here's the summation:<p> "Like THE MATRIX mated with SYNEDOCHE NEW YORK - or a Charlie Kaufman 007."<p> "To paraphrase CASINO ROYALE's Vesper Lynd, it's a meaningful pursuit in a summer of disposable entertainments. With physics-defying, thunderous action, heart-wringing emotion and an astonishing performance from DiCaprio, Nolan delivers another true original."

  • July 7, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *From EMPIRE magazine* I should have added...

  • July 7, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    As of right now

    by knowledge1027

    Both Inception and Predators are at 100% on RT maybe the summer can be saved after all

  • July 7, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    The only problem I had with The Prestige

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Was the Money shot or lack thereof at the end. It would have been more impactive (For me) if it was a vast wide shot of the room and all it's "occupants" rather than showing only a few of them then fading to black.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Mattman Returns: No Need For Convincing: TDK Sucked!

    by Media Messiah

    I am not trying to convince the world of anything, rather, I am only attempting to convince VIPs at Warner Brothers--should some of them happen upon these Talkbacks so they will begin to fix these flaws when they pop-up in any other future Batman productions, or Nolan directed, or produced, comic book based films, and head these issues off before they reach film screens. And BTW, they, the VIPs, do check such postings and fan related sites, therein for fan reactions to media stories, many of which, the studios announce as trial balloons to measure fan reactions, not necessarily for purposes of truth and informing the public of their intentions. <BR><BR>Back to me. I also hope my words serve as talking points for other fans who were also displeased with TDK, to debate this issue with others. Word of mouth is powerful, and if you have enough people talking about an issue, it eventually filters upward to the powers that be. <BR><BR>The following may sound sarcastic or mean-spirited, but it is not meant that way--no, it is an observation, not an attack. Just about the best thing that happened to TDK...was in fact...Heath Ledger's death, because it gave Warner massive amounts of publicity and a platform to play the sympathy card, while taking cover for a flawed film behind the sadness over Ledger's passing. If that had not occurred, Ledger's passing, I am certain TDK would have received largely split reviews, upfront, by fans and media alike, and far slower box office. Warner dodged a bullet, but next time they might not be so lucky, unless Nolan manages to hit the right emotional beats in the next film, and trim the fat in his, and his Brother's, writing.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Aww my Suicide Girl pic from 2008 SDCC

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Good times. Oh since you were wondering Cunti. I'm 5'9" 190, lift weights on a regular basis and I drink milk....from your moms titties. It does a body good. The bitches in the picture were Amazonians...cause that's what I like...big girls. I got more pics, if ya wanna size me up some more. Hell, I'll even post pics of my cock after I black out your moms face from them. After browsing through your facebook and seeing your buds...I'm getting the impression that I'm going to go to jail for assaulting a minor. Are serious dude, what are your 20. What up Asimov! Ya trolling bitch!

  • July 7, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    Every month i buy EMPIRE, SFX and TOTAL FILM. So, this means the month's issue has the review. Sweet. Or i might just check out their website, their online reviews. Thanks for the heads up, friend.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    You must feel really lonely.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    But Cobra--Kai, what would be fun would be...

    by AsimovLives

    ... to see the different AICN alumi posting their reviews, even including such freelancers as Vern and Alexandra DuPond.

  • July 7, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    MJs_Cold

    by AsimovLives

    You must be one of those nancyboys who mistakes trolling for disagreeing with you. Lame asses do that all the time.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    One More Issue With TDK's Flaws

    by Media Messiah

    Nolan made the characters service the plot, which they should, but the characters serviced said plot exclusively with no wiggle room. He then allowed the plot to get out of his grasp, and out of control, in many areas, with too many B, C, D and F side stories and additions, from the blackmailer, to the Batman Avengers...with a reformed Scarecrow leading them(?), to the trip to China, and the Harvey Dent/Two-Face revenge plot.<BR><BR>Yes, characters must service the plot, but once you have nailed the plot in your script, you must make sure that the plot does not over-shadow your characters. Thusly, you must add a few scenes, sometimes as low as 20 minutes worth, where the plot is made to service the characters, allowing for quiet dialogue--and in depth emotional interactions between the characters...to establish and round-out their relationships; as well, to show us what is at stake between them, what love and companionship holds them together, and why. You have to be allowed to feel and see their yearnings, their familiarity with each other, their lust, their warmth, their shared humor, their romance, their human values which are in common with the audience that is asked to invest emotionally in the onscreen drama which is unfolding before their collective eyes--however, all we saw is tension between Bruce and Rachel...in very few, but cold, scenes. Furhter, along those lines, Alfred and Bruce seemed comfortable with each other, but there was no real friendship, or family dynamic shown between them, no informal exchange of real humor or other deeper emotions, and that hurt the credibility of the scenes, and the impactfulness of the story, and thus, the plot overall.<BR><BR>It would have been nice to see a Bruce Wayne, who had interesting nuances about him, ticks--something to set him apart from other people, as everyone has something unique about their personality; the way they walk, turn their head--something, but Wayne was made perfect in his generic behavior and always metro-sexual business suit and perfecly styled hair look. He had no real personal life...and we never saw him in casual dress, having a casual moment, even a damn jog? I mean, does Bruce like rock music, rap, whatever? I am talking about atmospherics, of course, but it would have been nice to see him driving his car down the street, with a song blaring from the speakers--or just have a burger for dinner, or a beer at a bar, something to give him a hint of humanity, and a non-formal, "I'm not too cool for the room" spark! We needed those moments to open-up the picture and make it less, claustrophobic, and more lived in, and more real. I am not talking about cheap sight-gags, just flashes of something more down to earth, as rich people don't wear business suits 24 hours a day...and they do sometimes grab a burger, and mess their hair. <BR><BR>In regard to TDK, Nolan was all technique, set-piece focused, big scene oriented; yes, all pomp, whistles, and spectacle, over humanity, and that is TDK's greatest flaw.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Empire's Inception review in full:

    by AsimovLives

    Plot<br>Corporate spy-for-hire Dom Cobb (DiCaprio) steals ideas in dreams, but then he's hired to achieve the impossible: "inception" - planting an idea in the mind of a target. If he succeeds, he can see his estranged children. If he fails, he'll be trapped forever.<br><br>Review<br>If you know nothing else about Inception, at least know this: it is not a trick. It is ingenious but not crafty, knotty but not duplicitous. It has neither Memento’s method conceit nor the smoke and mirrors of The Prestige. To contrast it with the latter, in particular (fine film though that is), is to appreciate the difference between stage-magic and a real miracle.<br>The director-as-magician analogy feels least tired when applied to Christopher Nolan, given his body of work, its formal and mental layers and precisely engineered reveals. At best, this approach can be exhilarating. At worst — as with the narrative drip-feed of Insomnia, his weakest picture — it is obfuscation masquerading as artistry, aka not half as bloody clever as it thinks it is. Given its setting is largely the subconscious, though, Inception can’t work with a rug-pull denouement. Every scene — let alone the movie — could be punctured with that postscript beloved of primary school story scribblers: “And I woke up and it was only a dream...” So, don’t brace for a “ta-dah!” moment — it will impede your enjoyment and waste your time. Instead, marvel at the effrontery of a filmmaker who asks you to emotionally invest in avowed mental constructs — and succeeds. In one sense, admittedly, this is what every filmmaker asks us to do: engross ourselves in their imagination. The movie, then, could be interpreted as being about craft and inspiration — one character even says, of constructing the architecture of dreams, “It’s just... pure creation.”<br>But there are bigger things in play here than simply Art, and Nolan isn’t given to self-referential indulgence. This is about life and death and what might be beyond and between. It is also about blazing gun battles, zero-gravity fist fights and stars you’d like to sleep with. Fret not, Batfans — Nolan hasn’t turned into Andrei Tarkovsky. The muscular action that distinguished his Bruce Wayne pictures is again in evidence, but whereas Gotham in the Nolanverse is bound by at least some constraints — you know, little things like physics — here all bets are off. It’s not that Inception doesn’t have rules: like any convincing science-fiction, it has rules and boundaries it will not break. But those boundaries are pretty broad — they are the limits of each character’s imagination. The images deserve to be untarnished by much explanation — you should see them for yourself and on the biggest screen you can (it’s coming to IMAX — book now) to best appreciate Wally Pfister’s excellent, expansive photography. Funny, though, how moments that make the memory boggle when you recall them pass naturally in the moment because you are rooted in the world Nolan has created, in the reality(s) of the characters. This is testament to the physical prowess of the production and thorough thought that’s created this world, but also to the actors.<br>Some rise to particularly fascinating challenges (hello, Tom Berenger) and some surprise — principally Cillian Murphy, who can do danger and insolence in his sleep, but here shows a tenderness and vulnerability crucial to the story. Others exert a personality and appeal on parts that on the page would have played very close to ‘types’ — particularly Ellen Page, exuding a prim sexiness as, really, Basil Exposition, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who somehow manages to appear both ambiguous and dependable as essentially a sidekick. The pair share one of the movie’s best comic beats, too, though most of the sly laughs come from Tom Hardy’s roguish Eames.<br>It will be fascinating to read the hypotheses that percolate about Inception after release and no doubt what characters are called will be explored. That Page is Ariadne — the name of a figure in Greek myth who guides a hero from a maze — has already been noted. Eames shares his name with seminal designers/architects Charles and Ray, who made a celebrated short film, Powers Of 10, about the magnitude of the universe. Marion Cotillard is Cobb’s wife, Mal — which means “bad”, but can also derive from the Hebrew for messenger or angel. Cobb itself comes from Jacob, who, when fleeing from his murderous brother in the biblical book Genesis, dreamt of a ladder to heaven...<br>Based on his previous behaviour, Nolan isn’t likely to explain what he thinks Inception is actually about, but it’s certainly possible to see it as a blockbuster allegory about grief, faith and the desire for an afterlife — to be reunited with those we love and have lost (those with even a passing knowledge of Catholicism may note an interesting use of the word ‘limbo’). You could argue it’s about suicide and the fears and hopes that can both power and prevent it (for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?), just as was Soderbergh’s Solaris. Nolan, though, doesn’t muse; he motors. This is no sombre meditation. The themes are there to be explored (there will be more theories about this movie than about the killing of JFK), but you can just as well sit back and enjoy the spectacle. And what a spectacle.<br>In terms of scale and style it is, as Nolan intended, comparable to Bond’s best excursions — yet filtered through a brain-frying, subconscious-spelunking, time-dilating structure that boldly frames action sequences around each other. So we get an explosive Arctic mountain vault-storming within a zero-gravity scramble within a vehicle-crunching chase. In effect, the set-pieces are simultaneous. Which is insane, but brilliant as, while he at times boggles through the necessarily complex editing, Nolan never corrupts his multiverse’s internal logic.<br>When you’re not basking in the visuals, you can always lean into DiCaprio and appreciate the emotion. He anchors everything. An actor who has long borne the blessing and the burden of being hailed a genius before he was even a man, he has never been less than good, but can appear either callow or try-hard, like a child dressing in daddy’s suit. Not here. He shows a depth of feeling rivalled only by his work in Shutter Island. To deliver two such turns in a career would be impressive. In a year, it’s just showing off. What makes it work, really, though, is how unfussy he is, how unselfish — there’s no showboating. Good as he is in The Departed or Gangs Of New York, you could sometimes feel the Weight of his Acting. Here, paradoxically, he appears effortless, even though he’s the beam on which the whole mighty edifice rests. It’s because you believe his journey, his heart, that you buy into Inception. If he failed, so would the movie. This isn’t the sort of performance that usually wins Oscars — it’s not ostentatious or superficially transformative, but by God it is brilliant. The strength of it is that you remain emotionally engaged, even if you’re not entirely sure what’s going on. The third act makes Memento seem about as complex as Bear In The Big Blue House. And while there is remarkable clarity given the complexity, you are pummelled with information and have to keep up — pay attention, figure it out.<br>Only repeat viewing will reveal if this comparison is truly justified, but it feels like Stanley Kubrick adapting the work of the great sci-fi author William Gibson (Neuromancer) — except Nolan appears to like people more than the 2001 auteur. So, you have a film that embraces intellect and emotion but also sheer entertainment — that can include a character staring at what looks like one of Francis Bacon’s tortured self-portraits, but also has the best EXPLODEY BUILDING sequence since Zabriskie Point. That film was a notorious bomb, ignored by audiences and pilloried by critics. And some, who may find Inception exposition-heavy and bewildering, will no doubt argue that, drunk on the freedom of The Dark Knight, Nolan has spent $170 million disappearing up his own arse. He hasn’t. On this form, wherever he goes next, be it Batman 3 or something else, we’ll be the first in line to follow.<br><br>Verdict Like The Matrix mated with Synecdoche, New York — or a Charlie Kaufman 007. To paraphrase Casino Royale’s Vesper Lynd, it’s a meaningful pursuit in a summer of disposable entertainments. With physics-defying, thunderous action, heart-wringing emotion and an astonishing performance from DiCaprio, Nolan delivers another true original: welcome to an undiscovered country.<br>5 stars.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: Yes, I Do...And Am--But That's Life

    by Media Messiah

    I love your line though: "I'm Portuguese, I don't give a fuck about the 4th of July!!!"-AsimovLives<BR><BR>Now, if TDK only had great lines of dialogue like that, it would have been a better film! That was a truly brilliant line!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    You must really feel very lonely.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: Yes

    by Media Messiah

    Most very creative people do feel that way, and many people in general do--the reason why so many are on drugs, drinking too much, and sleeping around. That's not me, I simply debate movies, but you can make me out to be Hitler if you wish, for simply having a different view of a filmmaker and his films...than you do--thank is perfectly okay we me. However, I will not respond in turn, as I only wish you the best, and the greatest love. <BR><BR>Happy belated 4th, my friend!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the compliment. But to rest assured the beating hearts of my american cousins, i was just shutting up some idiot. It looked like it worked, though.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    And we celebrate 2 freedoom days:

    by AsimovLives

    November 11th (our 3rd and last independence act from Spain) and April 24th (liberation from a right-winger dictatorship also known as The Carnation Revolution).

  • July 7, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Amended--AsimovLives: Yes

    by Media Messiah

    Most very creative people do feel that way, and many people in general do--the reason why so many are on drugs, drink too much, and sleeping around. That's not me though, in terms of dealing with such matters, I simply debate movies, but you can make me out to be Hitler if you wish, for simply having a different view of a filmmaker, and his films, than you do--that is perfectly okay we me. However, I will not respond in turn, as I only wish you the best in life, and the greatest love. <BR><BR> Happy belated 4th, my friend!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    ""I'm Portuguese, I don't give a fuck about the 4th of July"

    by Xiphos_2

    Should read<p>I'm Portuguese and I only give a fuck about eating shit out of goats asses it's Portugal's national pastime"<p>There you go goatfucker I fixed that sentence to accurately reflect what you meant to say.<p>The other possible interpretation is:<p>"I'm Portuguese I only give a fuck about getting mounted by JJ Abrams becasue I want a bloody good rogering from my lord and master."

  • July 7, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    How the hell is JGL still getting acting gigs?

    by Stalkeye

    He lacks potentual to be a major star and his roles are lackluster at best. I could see Leo getting acclaim and big parts (He was great in GONY,The Departed and Aviator.) but Levitt Gordon?!? The dweeb from Stop Loss,Killshot and worse...Cobra Commander?!? GTFO!<P>Rant Over, anyway Inception looks like something I would love to see in IMAX and not some bullshit 3D gimmick, it looks mesmerising as it is.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Shitphos_2, reduce yourself to your own insignificance...

    by AsimovLives

    ... you xenophobic pudrid fuck.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    I find Joseph Gordon Hewitt to be a very promising new talent and on the verge of true stardom.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Well Asi, It's cool that you are willing to give JGL a shot.

    by Stalkeye

    ..but from what I have seen in his previous performances, I'm not impressed. (And there's no effin way am I gonna see 500 Days of Summer to see if my opinion would change.)Should Inception become his breakthrough role, then I stand corrected.In the meantime there's really nothing there.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: I Never Assail The Portuguese

    by Media Messiah

    I am not necessarily a fan of the U.S., and I am certainly not a fan of the U.S. government, although I am American. Our government leaves a lot to be desired. America, for all its potential, is wasting its beautiful gifts, in favor of placing money, greed, and xenophobic fueled hate, ahead of building a truly giving society. When we can (and do) pay executives, ball players, rock stars, and movie stars, hundreds of millions of dollars (billions...and even trillions collectively), but we under-pay and lay-off nurses, and teachers, close schools, and lay-off police officers and fire officers, and their staffs, well, something is seriously wrong with a society that does that--it is sociopathic, if not, psychopathic...in nature. So, my sarcasm about the 4th was not a knock at you, but a slap at those in this country who believe that there is nothing wrong, when everything, or most, is obviously wrong with the way things are. Given that, if things remain the same, this country won't be celebrating many more birthdays, if there isn't a positive change.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Well said Media Messiah.

    by Stalkeye

  • July 7, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    Believe me, that's not just an USA problem. Have you ever felt that your country is being sold piecemeal?

  • July 7, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    I really liked JGL in 3RD ROCK FORM THE SUN, and i hav eliked his work as na adult actor, specially in BRICK. As for 500 DAYS OF SUMMER, the fact that Bringbacksexy loves it so much is giving me pause to watch it, if you know what i mean.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    JGL is great in the Lookout as well.

    by BLEST

    Great little Noir caper flick, that.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Asi

    by Stalkeye

    LMMFAO at your last sentence.Yeah I concur with your reluctancy to watch 500 Days due to BSB's unyielding plug for this Movie (So much noise about nuttin.)and even our "Boy" Bob Orci had mentioned how much he loved the film.Ergo, that's an automatic pass for me.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    OK, BLEST I had forgotten about The Lookout

    by Stalkeye

    I saw it a few years back and had already forgotten who the actor that played the protagonist was.(Obviously JGL was more of an unknown back then.)To his credit, he did OK in Lookout, but the succeding parts did nothing extrodinary.He may have potentual, but as of the aforemention roles save for Lookout, it's wasted.Maybe Inception could put him on the mark, cause it sure as shit wasn't GIJoe.Oh, and Asi my Wife placed Brick in my Netflix instant queue for sometime now.Just that we never got around to watching it.I'll get around to it soon as I have heard positive reviews about the movie.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    THAT'S OKAY GUYS, MORE ZOOEY FOR ME THEN

    by BringingSexyBack

    You don't know what you're missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller, Two-Face isn't split personality

    by Continentalop

    At least not the Golden Age version, which is the one that I think the Nolan's were basing him on. <P> In the Golden Age he was simply a villain who decided to do evil (like rob a bank and keep the money) or good (like donate the money to an orphanage) by the flip of a coin, and based his crimes on the number two. <P> The money just simplified that to Two-Face making the decision to do good (let you live) or evil (kill you) on an arbitrary flip of the coin. <P> If I found any fault in the Two-Face character, it was that two of the Joker's biggest plots (Harvey and Rachel at two spots and you can only save one; and the TWO ferries) seemed more like Two-Face plots than Joker plots.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    ANY FIGHTS ON THE SCHEDULE TODAY?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 7, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    TWO-FACE'S CHARACTER ARC WAS WAAAY TOO SHORT

    by BringingSexyBack

    I can't believe Nolan killed him off already. In Nolan We Can't Trust.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    JGL WAS EXCELLENT IN THE LOOKOUT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Also, he and Zooey were otherworldly in Manic. They were barely recognizable from their more familiar personae.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    MM re:USA

    by rogueleader66

    Could not agree with you more my frined. I live in NY and for almost 2 years I was unemployed. Where the fuck was my bailout? Where was the government to say "Hey your a citizen in DIRE need, heres a few thousand bucks to get you by while we clean up this economical MESS" nowhere, thats where they were, they were busy bailing out companies so they could pay their executives multi million dollar fucking bonuses....bonuses, for guys running a company that was FAILING because of them. So guys who put companies into fincaial crisis are rewarded, and yet here I am even now being employed, struggling to maintain what I have.<P>The US does not take care of it's citizens, the government is too busy lining their pockets and making sure all their rich pals pay minimal taxes so they can put more money in their pocket as well. The welfare of the common US citizen is the last thing on the mind of our government, and that is not how it is supposed to be. <P>I watch these assholes in Washington vote down unemployment extensions right before they go on yet another exteded break, to their limos, mansions and yachts, and they have the fucking balls to string people along who have nothing.... oh but if an oil company or insurance company need to take care of their executives, they are right there to hand out money, or if theres a war to be had, hey here's all the money you need for something basically pointless that will get a lot of our soldiers killed for nothing. I love my country, but fuck, it's awfully hard to when you feel like, as a citizen, you are at the very bottom of the priority list.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    MJS - HOW DOES STICKY WHITE HAVE YOUR PICS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Are you a well-known Comic-Con brawler?

  • July 7, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    "The money just simplified that to Two-Face"

    by Continentalop

    The money? I meant The Nolans. <P> Damn "In Nolan We Trust" crowd has got my brain all screwed up.

  • July 7, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    BSB I agree with you about Two-Face

    by Continentalop

    I thought it was too short of arc. On one side I can't blame Nolan because Harvey was originally supposed to be in BB but he got cut from the script because they felt he couldn't be done justice (I blame Goyer's over-bloated story line) but on the other side I think they could have had the Two-Face story ending with the hospital explosion and than cut to Two-Face somewhere standing on a ledge and he flips a coin to decide what he is going to do and we pick up his vigilante/crime spree in the next movie. <p> It felt forced and truncated in TDK as it is now.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I WOULD'VE PREFERRED THAT ENDING MUCH MORE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Most definitely. Two-Face should've had his own movie and Nolan could explore his inner conflict. Whereas Joker was a mysterious embodiment of evil, Two-Face was someone Batman could've tackled in a different way. Damn.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    SURE IS HOT TODAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's a scorcher.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    The Lookout was the movie that made me take notice

    by skimn

    although there is a flick called Mysterious Skin by Gregg Araki, where Leavitt is apparantly amazing.<p>And its no surprise, to me, that he's working with Nolan, as he looks like the younger brother of Ledger. Look at pictures side by side...<p>Oh yea...and BSB, I really enjoyed 500 Days also (the Han Solo cameo sealed the deal).

  • July 7, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    because ....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I posted it on a talkback with Harry like 1 week ago. You were on that talkback too. sdcc doesn't have brawls, but it will soon

  • July 7, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    The only thing humanitarian that has ever existed is science.

    by UltraTron

    America? No. Religeon? The bible condones and preaches slavery and even gives details of how you should go about it. So no. Avatar? Avatar is the #1 movie of all time because it's better than any other movie ever made. Except the weird horse raping with sea anemones. I just can't abide that.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    nevermind...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    surprisingly you weren't there that day, must have been with your parole officer. But here's the thread: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45585

  • July 7, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Agreed on Two Face

    by rogueleader66

    I liked what they did with him in the movie, but, dare I say, it kinda felt like what they did with Venom in SM3, except they at least didnt shit all over two face like they did with Venom, they handled Two Face well. <P>Two face could have easily had his own movie as a bad guy, I understand what and why they did with him in TDK, he was a pawn for the Joker, showing how the best can fall, but I still would have liked to have seen him get much more time as a bad guy.<P>Still, as it is, they did a good job with him in TDK, and at least it didnt feel forced like Venom did.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight<1 sequence with Big Daddy

    by UltraTron

  • July 7, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Just read MJ's post. Good to know that is you

    by Continentalop

    Just so you know, I was kidding...about being 5'7", 140lbs. I'm 6'3", 220lbs. And I life and workout every day (gym right next to my house). <P> Can't wait to see you at Comic-Con. I'll e-mail you a photo of myself shortly so you can recognize me.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Sucks compared to Big Daddy

    by UltraTron

  • July 7, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Sorry but at 6 foot 3 you are a pussy at a mere 220.

    by UltraTron

  • July 7, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Sorry UltraTron, but I don't carry around a lot of body fat

    by Continentalop

    I'm not a lard ass.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    SKIMN - BLESS YOUR HEART

    by BringingSexyBack

    One day, Stalkeye and Asi will watch it and rue that they waited so long. It was great, wasn't it? The Han Solo cameo was just perfect. Just goes to show how Webb really has that touch.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    MJS_CORPSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Yeah, I missed that talkback. It's not like I'm here 24/7 you know. And in any case, and don't take offense, I often put you on ignore. :-P

  • July 7, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Are you kidding me about Avatar???

    by rogueleader66

    "Avatar is the #1 movie of all time because it's better than any other movie ever made"....wrong, wrong, so fucking wrong it is not even funny.<P>It's the #1 movie of all time because of several factors...<P>3D prices for movies are more expensive, therefore more money is made....<P>Yes, millions upon millions of people saw it, that does not mean its the greatest movie ever made. It was an immersive experience to be sure, but it had a generic story and nothing outstanding as far as characters go. No one was particularlly bad, but no character came across as unforgettable, the movie was driven by its visuals, not by its story or characters.<P>Biggest money maker of all time, yup, no doubts there, even if it is because of inflated admission prices....but better than every move ever made? Not by a long shot, and besides, unless you have seen EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE, you cannot even make that statement and expect to be taken seriously.<P>Better than The Godfather? Nope<P>Better than Star Wars? Nope<P>Better than The Dark Knight? Nope<P>Better than The Empire Strikes Back? Nope<P>Better than Jaws? Nope<P>Better than 2001? Nope<P>I could go on, but anyone with any knowledge of cinema knows that Avatar is far and away NOT the greatest movie ever made....that's not a requirement to be the movie that makes the most money.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    lol....right

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    you're full of more shit than Michael Jackson's lawyers. Are you gonna wear your jiu jitsu gi? You might be a towel boy at the gym. Even if you are that big, I'm sure you're a soft uncoordinated gump. Don't forget to eat your spinach.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    CONTIPOPS - AT 5'7" AND 140 LBS, I WAS WORRIED FOR YOU

    by BringingSexyBack

    At 6'3" and 220 Lbs ... I'm worried for MJ.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I LOVED WATCHING AVATAR, SURE

    by BringingSexyBack

    But uh, best movie ever made? Let's not go that far.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Asimov and ContinentalOp

    by IndustryKiller!

    Yeah, you guys are probably right, I guess the whole Two Face thing is pretty arguable.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Oh boy, I am going to enjoy this MJ

    by Continentalop

    I'm not even going to respond to you any more. Just save it up. But I knew you would fucking back out unless you thought I was tiny. <P> Talk all the shit you can for now. Feel free. Because I don't need to. Simple as that. <p> See you at Comic-Con...

  • July 7, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU GUYS GONNA ASK FOR HARRY'S AUTOGRAPH AT COMICON

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 7, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Actually IndustryKiller, you are right about one thing

    by Continentalop

    I wouldn't call it a split personality, but always in the comic books, Golden Age or modern age, Harvey was conflicted and felt guilt for doing things as Two-Face. Did he ever have those moments in TDK?

  • July 7, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    I'm very sorry about your unemployment situation. I was once unemployed for 6 months, and it's an humiliating experience. It feels like you have no worth, that you are some sort of reject, and that it happens not because of any fault of you but because of external agencies (bad economy, bad government manegement).<br><br>There is one reason why american laws, specially financial law, protect the rich so much, and that's because the people help vote favourable for them, even the poor. Specially the poor. The poor vote for the laws that helps the rich at the expense of the poor. And the reason why is because of the belief in the american Dream. Too many people believe there's silver linings in the coulds, that things will turn out OK, they beleive that those one-in-a-million rags-to-riches stories will happen to them too. Thus, they play for safe, they will not help vote on laws that would make them pay taxes when they get rich. They are playing for future, for a future they in all certainty will never have, but they still play on the dream as if it's fact.<br><br>And this is why the poor still help the rich get richer at their expenses. All because of a fucking dream. I mean, as if the rich would like to see a new kid in their block. For one to get really rich, multi-million-like, it means other rich people will have to lose some of their millions. Money is a finite comodity, for one to gain, another has to lose. And if there is one thing the rich hater above all elseis to lose money. The rich hate to lose money mroe then the poor do, in fact. It's harder to make a rich pay 5 bucks against their wishes then the poor, believe you that. Tell me of how many rich you see being generous without an photo-op to go by it.<br>I'm no communist, i would love to be filthy rich, but fuck, the rich are some serious fucked up people!

  • July 7, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I always felt that Two face's part during the 3rd Act

    by Stalkeye

    felt a tad bit rushed and yes it was Deja Vu all over again;*cough*venom*cough*.However Dent's demise was a good setup for the perfect ending as Harvey's legacy will go on untarnished in society not to mention that Bats is taking the rap for the murders that have been commited by Dent.Great open ended cliffhanger in which Batman is being persued by the Police ; "Why does he run"? Gordon: "Because he has to".

  • July 7, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Explain to me right now why Avatar has a generic story.

    by UltraTron

    I want specific examples from other filmed works

  • July 7, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    He did, and Gordon tried to play on that when he begs to save his boy's life. And he almost suceeded. But unfortunatly, Harvey just snapped back to his demented self and went with the "let's toss a coin" instead. It's in the movie. I should know, i saw it 5 times already, and planning on seeing it more. Doesn't beat my viewing of BATMAN BEGINS because the later was released 3 years before (more time to watch it).

  • July 7, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    So, Continentalop, what are you think about INCEPTION?

    by AsimovLives

    Mr Beaks posted his reviews, so did CHUD's Devin Faraci, and i posted above the complete review form EMPIRE magazine. What are your thoughs about the movie so far?

  • July 7, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I refuse to read anything about Inception

    by Continentalop

    Want to make up my own mind. Didn't even read the review here.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    MJs are you gonna wear your ladies uniform from the Signal Corps?<p> Hhahahahaha<p> You've been exposed runt boy. You've lost all credibility. Standing there naked with a tiny acorn for a dick.<p> Probably about time you do your usual trick of coming back with a new 'hilariously witty' talkback name.<p> You're not even a good troll. Every time i've seen you mouth off you've been slapped down and exposed as the witless cunt you are.<p> I wish it was goodbye but guess i'll just have to say au revoir runt boy.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    NOLAN WOULD'VE BEEN PERFECT TO EXPLORE TWO-FACE SOME MORE

    by BringingSexyBack

    I think his character bares some resemblance to Guy Pearce in Memento, someone who was seriously conflicted, driven by grief and loss, willfully committing wrong through the force of a deranged personality. Shit. That woulda been an epic 3rd movie.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by skimn

    Dances With Wolves, Little Big Man, hell, even Mean Girls...any movie where the hero switches sides and takes the side of the so-called "enemy".<p>The line, "You have to decide what side your playing for...", or whatever the line is, has it's duplicate in countless movies.<p>And, yes I enjoyed Avatar for what is was..it was almost like sci-fi comfort food.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    and BTW

    by skimn

    we're still debating the merits and/or flaws of Avatar? TTMO<p>time to move on...

  • July 7, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by AsimovLives

    Remember when people called AVATAR as Dances With Wolves in space? there is a grat element of familiarity to Avatar's story which even predates DANCES WITH WOLVES. If yiou know any of those old Rudyard Kipling stories, you would understand where the tropes which Avatar uses with great abandon. They are already here for about more then 100 years )at least) and are common tropes in adventure stories set in exotic locations. The Na'vi themselves are an even older trope, based on Jean Jacques Rousseau's concept of the "Bon Sauvage", the noble and dignified savage who, living outside of civilization, is not corrupted by it and this is inherently noble and kind hearted. Recognize this much in the Na'vis?<br><br>If you know a bit about the background and th stories told of old, and evnesome other things about the imaginarium of western-exotic locations and people contact, you will see that Avatar uses many if not all of thoseelements. It's not just a specific borrowing from a specific older movie, but the whole tropes about the whole type of story that has been told since the times of the discoveries since the 16th century foward.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I'm 6'5-----millimeters but I have a big dick!

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    So back up while I whip this thang out!

  • July 7, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    I dont really know any rich people, but have met my share, and worked for some, and damn if they are not some of the biggest assholes in the world. Think they are better than everyone because they have money.<P>You are absolutely right about their tendency to be misers with their money, I dont subscribe to the saying "Well thats how rich people stay rich" BULLSHIT, they are so protective of their money, so afraid to give it up, that they would rather been seen as assholes then to spend their precious money. Poor people are definitely more willing to part with 5 bucks than the wealthy. Sometimes I dont think the rich realze how well they have it. Not saying all rich people are like that, but I have met enough to know that having money can turn you into a serious asshole. <P>I just wish my country cared as much about me as it does it's more well off citizens, who don't have as many worries and finacial woes as I do.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Dirk_The-Well_Hung_Amoeba

    by Continentalop

    Long time. How is it going you single celled sex machine?

  • July 7, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Good Points Rogue and Asi

    by Stalkeye

    sorry to hear about your situation as well.And yes, it is a goddamn shame that companies that have contributed to the recession like AIG, can get bailouts and a handjob to go with it, while the working class gets shitted on moreso than ever.The way things are going, we might be headed for another recession, then what? Desperation? Anarchy?!?<p>And guys, I am obviously no fan of most of these overpaid atheletes and so-called celebrities who dont give two shits about those that are less fortunate.I do take solice in the fact that Lindsey (Lohan) is sentenced to 90 days in prison. Spoiled lil' red headed cunt needs to learn a lesson.

  • July 7, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by AsimovLives

    Avatar = SF confort food.<br><br>That's brillant. And perfectly sums up the movie.<br><br>Well, i did enjoyed Avatar, no deying it was at times quite a mesmerizing experience. But it is confort food. however, i ask a bit more from my confort food. i want them more spicy, if you get my meaning. Maybe i'm too demansing, but for me, confort food is the likes of Blade Runner or 2001 or Apocalypse Now. As you cna see, with such type of confort food, i guess anything else feels a bit... lacking?

  • July 7, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Stalkeye

    I already rue the day I saw both Transformers 2 and GIJoe. (and Juno!!)So how much can I be curious to take chances on another film that wont live up to my expectations?

  • July 7, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    Well said about Avatar, it doesnt specifically steal anything from one particular film, it takes elements we have seen before in many movies, melds them into one. You cited Dances With Wolves, also The Last Samurai had the same type of story.<P>I also enjoyed Avatar, but it is far from cinematic royalty, maybe from a techinical standpoint it is, but not over all, I dont think it even ranks in the top ten best movies ever made and if it does it just barely makes it....but I dont think it does.<P>But hey if in your own view Avatar is the tops, fine, your entitled to your opinion, as are we all, but you would be in the minority, which again, is fine, but you will find your opinion being constantly challenged.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    THe prision stint didn't helped Paris Hilton get some more brains to her head, did it? you think Lidsay Lohan's case will be any different? If anything els,e that prision time will make them feel even more vindicated, and then they will sing their woes to the TV and the press and on Ophra and get even more money and celebrity out of that. It's fucked up, man! Again, i'm no communist and i'd love to be really rich, but there are times, there are times i really wish a major October Revolution would happen and throw those rich assholes who flaut themselves to the ocean to be sharkbite.<br><br>rogueleader66, as for why the rich have such a sense of self-entitlement, again that'sbecause of a side effect of religion, in america's cas,e protestanism. The protestants wanted to protect christianism form some of the abuses comited by the catholcis that they created the notion of "divine reward". They claimed, if you are a hard worker, and you earend money and riches from your brow, it's not sinful, becaus that's god's reward, and you don't need to spent it on charity because you already glorified god with your work. Thing his, this gave people who get rich a sense of self-entitlemen. So, if you have a business or do some work and form it you get filthy rich, it means god is onyoru side. Evne if you earned your riches by exploiting others, and by cheating and breaking the law, if you get rich, god is rewarding you, god is in your side. And if god is in your side, who can be on the others? Thus, money became equated with god's own favour bestowed upon you. Money is a representation of god on Earth. And god bewtowed his dibvine grace to you. Money IS GOD! Thus, they think they are god's predilect people. This is why so many rich think themselves so great and above anything and anybody else, they have god as their own personal bedfellow. Why do you think so many rich people are christian fundamentalists, like George W. Bush? Money equals god, man! Believe on this, man! Why do you think the communists were atheists?

  • July 7, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    whoo-hoo

    by Six Demon Bag

    i just bought some comic con tix real cheap from a guy named MJ on craiglist!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    Well, if somebody will claim Avatar to be a much better cinematic experience then, say, Trashformers, i'm certainly not going to disagree with him, that's for sure. for all it's flaws, Avatar makes Trashformers look like the product of total incompetence.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Didn't read it.

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Beaks has a track record of spoiling a considerable amount of the movie a week in advance for no reason at all.<p> Spoilers do not equal a review.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    Funny you mention Apocolypse Now. For years so many people told me what a great movie it was, greatest movie made about Vientam bar none. Took me many years to see it and when I finally did, damn was I......very underwhelmed.<P>Did I like the movie? Yes...good performances all around, well shot, great cinematography, awesome score...but I was just left feeling a bit disappointed. Maybe the years of it being hyped up to me by others did it, maybe my expectations were too high. Either way, I find it to be a good film, but I just don't see it as the classic that others do. Oh and as far as best film about vietnam? For me, that's Platoon, hands down. I read the story that AN was based on, Heart Of Darkness, in college, and I enjoyed it more than the movie, and this was AFTER I saw the film. Not saying AN is a bad film, it is a very good film, but for me, it just didn't do it. Maybe one of these days I will watch it again, maybe being older now will change my view of it.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    The only thing i saw of GI JOE was that scene of the chase in Paris, and just from that alone i felt the death of my braincells dying and crying out in extreme agony. The thist was so fucking stupid, so fucking stupid, it was as if soembody had used that scene from TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE and didn't noticed it was supposed to be a joke, to make us laugh, and shot it straigh. Fuck, was that shit stupid!! From the director of VAN HELSING indeed! Makes me feel ashamed i enjoyed THE MUMMY!

  • July 7, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    Oh don't get me wrong, I am not disputing the fact that AVatar is a well made enjoyable film, and better than most of the crap that has come out in the last ten years, I just don't see it as cinematic royalty as many others do, I can easily name 10 probably even 20 movies I like better, but that's not a slam, I like a LOT of movies lol.<P>You know if i ever became rich (ha ha, never happen) I know I would change somewhat, but not to the point that I would become an arrogant asshole, I would consider myself lucky and try to share my newfound wealth with the people around me, family and friends, at least I like to think that is how I would be. Aprreciative of it, not arrogant like I deserved it.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I love how this thread turned into another Batman thread

    by RPLocke

    hahah. Stay classy, talkbackers.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Regardless if prison does her any good or not,Asi

    by Stalkeye

    I still get the satisfaction of her ass being thrown in Jailed,even if it's away from Gen Pop. (there goes the lesbo lickdown fantasy .)This bitch being inconveniced is good enuff for me. Sure prison didnt do a damn thing for Paris,(or OJ Simpson till now.)but it serves as a message that the rich fucks (be they celebrities, Politicians or Shady Businessmen.) cant always get over on society. After all,Enron's Ken Lay died in Prison if i remember correctly and the same goes for bernie Madoff.<p>Maybe there is a Silver Lining after all.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    You had to be there, man!!! The 70s, man!!!<br><br>Actually, is aw the movie in the mid-late 80s, in VHS. Butthe movie blew me away! Back then, there wasn't the hype that is today. I knew the mvoie by reputation, but besodes some still photos and a very short teaser traielr form TV whenever the movie was mentioned, i knew next to nothing about the movie. Didn't even knew the plot at all, except that somewhere in the movie a battle with helicopters happened. I didn't even had heard of HEART OF DARKNESS, a book i only read 10 years after i first saw the movie.<br><br>As i told above, the movie was very mysterious to me. And as i watched it, the sense of mystery mantained. Which was a good thing. The movie blew my mind. It was like nothing else i had seen before. I ddin't knew movies could look like that. and more importnatly, that could be presented like that. The mood of the movie, done with those strange images, the strange editing with the strange music and mesmerizing sound effects. It was all, literally, awesome! Total movie experience. Caugh me completly of guard. Adn this is why, to this day, i have nothing but total complete awe for APOCALYPSE NOW. That movie, for me, one of those PERFECT MOVIES. And none of the complaisn and criticism i have read and known about it makes any sense to me. It is a TOTAL FILM. It is the type of film that justifies cinema.<br><br>And i far prefer the theatrical version. Back in the 70s, the directro's cut was released in the theaters. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a director's cut of a 70s movie which has improved on the original version. Not one.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Locke

    by Stalkeye

    Would you rather have us discuss the cultual impact that Blade Runner has left?<p>Hey, there's always another TF thread to bash? X0:'

  • July 7, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66, about getting rich...

    by AsimovLives

    ... one interviewer, back in the 60s, asked Ringo Starr if fame and welth had changed him. his reply was a short and frank "Yes". It was hysterical, and at he same time, so true. One thing i deplore is when i see some fuck tho got rich and they claim they are still thesame person they were before getting rich. Fucking bullshit! Fucking bullshit! Of course you will change! You will change if you fal into deep poverty. you will change if you became filthy rich. We are people, therefore, adaptable and moldable, and not fucking trees!

  • July 7, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    And what exactly would be wrong about talking about BLADE RUNNER? This is an INCEPTION talkback, and Christopher Nolan claims BR to be his all time favorite movie which has influence every movie he has made. I think a talk about BR would be apropos, given the subject matter and the filmmaker who made the movie this talkback is about.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by rogueleader66

    Amen brother!!!! Dina Lohan was a customer where my lady used to work, and damn she always had this arrogant air about her. My lady said she was never really mean, but you could tell she had this attitude like she was somebody. Well what is she now? The mother of a washed up, could have been a big star, tabloid fodder child of Hollywood. Lidsay is young enough to be able to actually put her life, and MAYBE her career back together, but her mother is nothing but a useless enabler, all she does is blame everyone else for her kids problems instead of looking in the mirror and seeing exactly where the problem is. Stop being your daughters friend, and be something she obviously needs...a mother. God people like that just make me sick.<P>I love the fact that my daughter considers me her best friend, and that I can pal around with my 2 sons like buddies do, but first and foremost I am a parent, a friend second, the way it should be. Later on in life, you can be a friend to your kids more than when they were younger. Before my Father died we were like best friends for a long time. He was always a parent. always worried about me, and I know I will be the same with my kids, but damn be a parent when it matters, your kids won't love you any less if your a parent first and a friend second. I know this for a fact.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by Boo Cocky

    I know this thread has progressed since my statement on Bale's voice in TDK, but allow me to retort to YOUR knee-jerk reaction to post. Of course, I understand that he has to disguise his voice, being that he Gotham's most famous son. I actually thought Bale's Batman voice in Begins was pretty good. But you can't tell me that his voice wasn't different in TDK. It was horribly overdone, as was Eckhart's "Rachel!". Seriously, just listen to that last scene with Gordon, Two-Face and Batman without watching the movie; it's hammy. You seem to just want to harp on the opinion of a person who finds a flaw in a movie you hold in high regard. As I said before, I really liked TDK (saw it 4 times in the theaters). But it isn't without its flaws, and to me Bale's (and to an extent Eckhart's) overacting were the only things that took me out of an otherwise excellent film.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Stalkeye

    Good casting suggestion.Hoskins would also make for a good Penguin.Burton's/Devito's Penguin was good for that era circa 1993, but i like the idea of a underground arms dealer as oppossed to some freak of nature who holds a grudge against society due to the fact that his parents rejected him.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    Like I said, I dont think AN is a bad movie, far from it, I just was not as blown away by it as so many others were. I recognize it for what it is, but it just doesn't do it for me they way many other movies have. Like I said I need to see it again, maybe I will see it in a different light. I was a teen in the 80's (im 43 now, 44 in september) was my age a factor? I would like to think it wasn't, a good movie is a good movie no matter how old you are, but sometimes age and wisdom can change your view of things. We will see, one of these days I will watch it again.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by RPLocke

    I don't know what Blade Runner left on the culture. Other than we got more dark movies and TV shows. I think Alien left better marks on the culture than Blade Runner.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Asi

    by Stalkeye

    Trust me, Locke gets the smartass reference (my mentioning Blade Runner.) If you are brave enough to search the threads over a year ago, you may find me and Lockes going at it due to the fact that he dismisses BR as boring. He nearly got his ass handed to him by a few TBers for making such an silly comment.<p>Classic gold man, you had to be there.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Boo Cocky

    by AsimovLives

    Still don't agree about your complains about Batman's voice in TDK. As for hammyness in Eckhart's calling out for Rachael, i recall no such thing in the movie. Desperating, yeah, fits the character in the situation, but hammy? No, sir. Still, i'm glad you loved the movie almost as much as i did. And 4 times at the theaters? Damn, that's impressive, i tip my hat to you, good sir.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by rogueleader66

    I remember George Harrison said that in A Hard Days Night..(love that movie), the line about success. He said it with a deadpan straight face, it was just classic. Maybe Ringo said it in an actual interview but I remember it from the movie, same deal though he was being interviewed and it was funny as hell but you also knew he was being totally truthful. How could becoming mega rich not change you? For someone to say they are no different after they became rich from before they did is truly a liar.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    Age can certainly be a factor, and i know that for a fact. For example, when i first saw Fellini's 8 1/2 i was a teen and i though the movie fucking sucked. 10 years ago i rewatched the movie and was blown away! I couldn't fucking believe that i had disliekd it so much before. But then i remembered, i was a fucking teen back then, and teens are stupid. Even the smart teens are stupid. Adulthood was the best thing that happened to me by far.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    There you go again Lockes

    by Stalkeye

    Can you say Cyberpunk? BR influenced not just various movies and TV series, but also Anime...oh, I forgot you disregard Anime as a serious medium. Alien is relevant no doubt, but high concept films like Blade Runner, Robocop, Terminator and Escape from New York have more than earned their place as great contributions to cinema and beyond.<p>search your feelings, you know it to be true.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    I should had been there indeed. People who say BLADE RUNNER is boring, it says more about themselves then the movie proper, i say.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    lohan in prison

    by Six Demon Bag

    i quote conti..let her go to prison, shes one step closer to hitting rock bottom. <P>then she will be mine.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Blade Runner

    by rogueleader66

    Saw it in the theaters..loved it...'nuff said

  • July 7, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by Continentalop

    Yeah, well I never was a fan of Burton's version. Actually, I have not been a fan of any post-Crisis version in the comics either. I personally think he is this incredibly interesting, great character that all these modern writers and fans just don't understand or comprehend what Kane and Finger were going for so they write him off. <P> And no offense, I wouldn't even want your arms dealer angle. That isn't meant as a slam - it might even be cool in the movies and in comics, and a lot of people might love that version of the character - but I have this fucking insane thing about the Penguin ever since I went back and read his Golden Age stories and had this epiphany of what he really is about. I would love Nolan or some comic writer to try and tap into what the character's creators original intent was for the Penguin because I think a lot of people would be surprised how relevant and interesting he could be. <p> I mean, here was a character whose stories were usually BETTER than the Joker stories of that period. That is saying a lot IMO.

  • July 7, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    STAY AWAY FROM HER 6DB!!!

    by Continentalop

    SHE'S MINE! I just bought a bag of Peruvian flake for when she gets out.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Sure, sure. But besides Startrek the motion picture-

    by UltraTron

    name another movie where a guy makes love to an alien and then becomes an alien to be with her forever. That's the story I saw. At the beginning when I saw arrows stuck in the tires of a huge moonbuggy I thought to myself- holy shit we're invading another planet and there's already someone living there! This is gonna be great! And ya know what? It lived up to that in every way. Now give me Cameron's Robotech with a bridge filled with the hottest, badass women the earth has to fight the giant invasion.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye, about Blade Runner and Cyberpunk...

    by AsimovLives

    ... when William Gibson was writing NEUROMANCER, he watched the movie,a nd said he had to left the movie early on, not because he was hating, but becasue he was loving it so much and was mixing up his own vision of the story he was writing, it was just too damn uncanny how the movie was matching his own vision.<br><br>When Risley Scot showed a preview early cut of BR to Philuip K Dick, he was so suprised with what he saw, he asked Scott how did he copied exactly the images he had in mind when he wrote the novel.<br><br>Blade Runner's influence in images for movies and TV cannot be counted. It's ubiquous.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by Continentalop

    A Man Called Horse. <p>

  • July 7, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by AsimovLives

    The aliens in AVATAR are just natives in disguise. Why do you thinkthat they used black, mulatos and indian actirs to play the na'vi? accidental? Bullshit! It was delçiberat,e to tap into that very same thing, the notion of the na'vi as the Rousseau's Bon Sauvage. The na'vi are the indians or polinesians or whatever natives from classic kipling stories of old. AVATAR is a Kipling yard disguised as SF.<br><br>Beside,s the Na'Vi are barely alien at all. They are just big tall cats painted lbue but who act,through and through, totally like humans. Talk like humans, act like huimans, are petty like humans, think like humans, are even anoying like humans, and their culture is a poupourri of various native primitive cultures. Fuck, the blad girl in STAR TREK THE MOTION PCITURE did had more alieness to her then any Na'vi in Cameron's culture, at least they tried to gave her own particular culture seperated from known human culture.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    conti

    by Six Demon Bag

    ill take the mouth. the other end looks like an arbys big montana after that prison stint.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Operator of the Continent

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Howdy do mi amigo? It has indeed been quite a while. I have been well, just laying up with some fine assed popcorn kernels! They are wearing me out though. I might have to slow down with a dust ball with a nice badonk until I catch my second wind.<p>I had some drama with a paramecium who thinks he is Gods gift to females just because he has more cilia than anyone, but I layeth the smacketh down on his pseudo-ass! <p> If'n you need some back up for the big smackdown at the Comic Con, you know who to call buddy!

  • July 7, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by rogueleader66

    If you cannot see beyond the "guy becoming an alien to be with the alien chick" thing you have very little knowledge of movies. Educate yourself, watch some classics, stop sucking Cameron's cock, it's shameful

  • July 7, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    My favorite part of AVATAR:

    by AsimovLives

    Everything in the begining. until we then to need to anoying Na'vi. After that, it goes downhill, 3D included. And of the anoying na'vi, none is worst then the fucking Pocahontas. I know many of you foundher endearing and fell inlove with her, but me, i foudn her anoying beyond endurance, and a bitch who goes for the guy with the coolest ride. Really, i fucking found her anoying beyond belief. But the start of AVATAR until the Na'vis is some of the best SF put on film i have seen for a long time.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Casablanca? I don't remember alien sex in that.

    by UltraTron

    What classic should I watch when I want to indulge in my alien sex fantasies without running the risk of sucking off Cameron?

  • July 7, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    RogueLeader, AsimovLives, Stalkeye, et al.

    by Media Messiah

    The government believes in the "Trickle-Down" theory, their way of robbing from the poor and the middle-class to feed the rich, who are already over-fed and can't consume what they have in 10 or more lifetimes, however, it is the "Trickle-Up" theory that works, and very fast, when employed. One must give a stimulus to the poor, the lower-middle class, and the middle class--people like teachers and emergency service personal, and their support staffs. Not to mention, they are the heart of our country in terms of keeping a workable society intact. They are are brain-trust for our children and up-coming genrations and future leadership in government, industry, religion, and charity, and our moral center. Without these people, who have less quality of life for us all and our families--and millions of teachers, nurses, police and fire officers, and their support staffs, have been laid-off over the last 3 plus years, or have had large cuts in pay. If you keep them employed, and maintain their salaries, and look for additional new hires, then they, as in the past, will spend their money on goods and services, those supplied by small businesses, mid-range businesses, and big business, and thus, everyone makes a profit--and will spread the money from one part of the country, to another, and all over the world. <BR><BR>When the government goes with the Trickle-Down theory, and places it into execution, the money is slow to be spread...as the rich keep the money in the bank, and or, borrow against it. What money they do spend, no matter how lavish, only goes to support a handful of people in relation to the greater populace--and often that money is spent in foreign countries--again, getting in very few hands...even then, so it is lose/lose for Americans--as well as most foreign countries, the reason for the global economic crash. And let's not forget, companies and executives like to pad their stocks and their compy books by laying-off people en masse. They pocket the profits, you lose your job, wind-up in divorce court because of it, and have no way to support yourself, your family, or pay medical for yourself and family; that which is left of the family, anyway.<BR><BR>If you give the American public stimulus money directly, as opposed to huge corporations, plus significant tax-breaks, and place a hold on home foreclosures by banks and related institutions...for upwards of 2 years, while allowing people to rent to own property that they are already in (that which is in foreclosure), it would serve to stablize, and even fastly rebuild the economy--and stimulate job hiring, maintain salaries, and even raise them, per-capita. Let's look at the latter situation; The more people get money, the more people who will spend that money, and if it is at retail, as well ass hotels and restaurants, well, when that happens, the more people those very businesses will need to retain and employ to satisfy demand. This also impacts the transportation industry, etc. <BR><BR>The government should also consider, suspending taxes for individual tax-payers and families, for up to a year, or longer, and get rid of income taxes...altogether. An across the board sales tax for anything sold, that being all goods and services, should be instituted in its place, and the IRS' sole mission, and purpose, should be to make sure that said taxes are collected from businesses. If they institute such a system, they will be able to force everyone to pay their fair share of taxes; as there are many taxable monies that go unreported by sex workers, drug dealers, and other criminals, gamblers, cab drivers, illegal immigrants, and various service workers--to bars, and specialty businesses; and the rest of us are always forced to pay, not only our fair share of taxes, but we are also forced to pay for many others whose taxes go unreported and unpaid--this would include crooked executives, the wealthy...in general (who use tax-shelters) and companies that escape paying taxes. <BR><BR>If the government truly cared about us, which they don't, this is what they would do to save the National...and World, economy!!! Really it is a matter of National and World security. You will recall the fall of Rome? Well, this is how it began.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I watched He Man last week, bald cop got some Eternian tang

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    And he never went back to earth. Does that count as strange tang that can make a man renounce his race and home planet? I think it does.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Actually, isn't AVATAR also STAR MAN?

    by Continentalop

    And a bunch of other sci-fi movies when an Alien comes down to Earth and disguised as an alien falls in love with a human woman? He has tries to assimilate and pretend he is human, but right away he knows nothing of human culture and has to learn. <P> <P>Cameron basically just flipped it and added a kind of DANCES WITH WOLVES/MAN CALLED HORSE angle to it. But that is what Cameron does, takes well established films in other genres and just puts them in a sci-fi context or a different location and creates something familiar but new (THEM! became ALIENS).

  • July 7, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the offer Dirk

    by Continentalop

    But that really will not be necessary. Glad to hear you are doing good.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Damn bad writing

    by Continentalop

    "an Alien comes down to Earth and disguised as a HUMAN falls in love with a human woman?" <p> That is what I wanted to write.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    If you need to indulge in alien sex fantasies

    by rogueleader66

    Then you have problems far beyond not being educated in cinema.<P>Why you need to watch other movies is to see and understand where the story of Avatar has been done before. All you see is alien sex nonsense, the story actually centers around a gung ho soldier who changes sides in the midst of trying to fight the enemy, he realizes he is fighting on the worng side, sees the plight of the so called enemy and joins them. Been done before, many times. But hey it's an alien sex fantasy to you, indulge all you want then.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Star Man is not exactly an alien. His body is a reconstructed body of a dead guy from his DNA found in hair. His midn is of the alien, but his body is fully human. Bascially,it's Avatar in revers,e the alien uses a body based on human DNA, which in Avatar was the reverse.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Avatar wasn't Star Man

    by RPLocke

    Star Man was a cute comedy romance movie. Avatar was a big action adventure romance story.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    sex with aliens = beastiality

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    wrong not worng....duh

    by rogueleader66

  • July 7, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    Why does every thread turn into a "What I hate about movies" by Asimov Lives.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    because there are more movies that i dislike then like. It's all a matter of probabilities, really.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    Why are people comparing Inception to Avatar? Inception will make about 300 mil and then fade way until the DVD comes out.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Nobody is comparing Avatar with Inception...

    by AsimovLives

    ... you silly boy.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    That is what I meant Asi

    by Continentalop

    Basically AVATAR is the reverse of STAR MAN. <P> And yes RPLocke, they are not exactly the same film. I am just commenting on how the set-up (Alien being living amongst different alien beings disguised as them) has been done before, albeit differently. <P>

  • July 7, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Actually I loved that aspect too. He's a soldier so it was easy

    by UltraTron

    for him to kick the other navi ass when he had to make a point. And when sully's character finally builds to the point where he is so much the fusion of warrior and avatar that his bravado takes over part of his character and he's prepared to stand toe to toe with quatrich in an amp suit. Pure chills. Everything good art stands for.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    So Lois Lane is committing bestiality?

    by Continentalop

    Never knew that.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Prety much. unless there is real DNa compatibility. and if there is, then, how can that even happen? Unless humans are genetic spawns from the kryptonians. Otherwise, yup, it's beastiliaty for ol' Lizzie.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    No question Lois could fuck a donkey if she can handle steel coc

    by UltraTron

  • July 7, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by AsimovLives

    "and he's prepared to stand toe to toe with quatrich in an amp suit. Pure chills. Everything good art stands for"<br><br>Picasso missed on that. Imagine how much different "Guernica2 would had been, if Picasso had taken that into consideration. Damn him for making criticism and condemnation of war and fascism, all we really need is just shit blowing up!

  • July 7, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Hopefully everyone here has read the essay

    by Continentalop

    "Man of Steel, Women of Tissue', because if you haven't you really should.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    what's that about?

  • July 7, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    INCEPTION better than AVATAR?

    by duckysaurus

    Well, INCEPTION probably won't make as much as AVATAR, but AVATAR's revenue is inflated by the IMAX ticket prices. INCEPTION looks pretty cool on their Facebook page. Love Ken Watanabe's page too--they're giving out free stuff apparently. Check it out here: http://bit.ly/saitofb

  • July 7, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    Avatar is NOTHING LIKE Starman, Gaad, your views on movies are fucked up.

  • July 7, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Ken Watanabe is coolness personified

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex

    by Continentalop

    http://tinyurl.com/2x4as

  • July 7, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Sure they are RPLocke

    by Continentalop

    Or maybe you just can't see beyond mere the superficial and cosmetic differences and notice actual similarities between things. <P> Alien from an advance specie comes come to another planet disguised as a member of that race and falls in love. <P> QUICKLY - what movie is that?

  • July 7, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    So is inception better than brainstorm? The matrix?

    by UltraTron

    Is it better than Paprika that I can't get my friends to watch. Is it better than the episode of next gen where Picard lives a whole lifetime? That's a great episode.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    AsimoveLives, re: psychotics

    by mrgray

    The implication in TDK was that Joker was specifically recruiting the mentally ill. Whereas we can *accuse* the SS of being mentally ill but there isn't actually proof of such. Maybe they were just incredibly misinformed dicks. <p> My point is that whatever you think about the SS, they were soldiers for whom discipline was part of their life. Asylum escapees? Yeah, not so much...

  • July 7, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Continentalop: answer

    by mrgray

    The 5th Element?

  • July 7, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    UltraTron

    by skimn

    Just found this tidbit.."The studio arm of the company has announced that the upcoming porn version of the film, titled "This Ain’t Avatar XXX", will be presented in 3-D. Such are the production costs, that Hustler is calling it their highest-budget flick ever produced."<p>Reminds me that one of Alan Ball's (writer of American Beauty, Six Feet Under and True Blood)prized possessions is a copy of American Booty, made after the sucess of the award winning American Beauty.

  • July 7, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    I can't wait

    by Cathy904

    The trailers on tv are mind- blowing. I was a fan of long-forgotten movies like Dreamscape that mix characters dabbling in dream-reality. The premise Mr. Beaks teases with sounds great. James Bond actor comparisons aside, I liked "On Her Majesty's Secret Service". This was a exciting review, I hope the movie lives up to it.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Avatar is Starman??

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That's a new one. Heard all the tedious comparisons to Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves ad nauseam, but not that. Starman was just a rip of ET. What's next - Avatar a remake of Mac and Me?

  • July 7, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Aliens/Them

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Actually, Aliens is Rio Bravo and Zulu...with Xenomorphs!

  • July 7, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Turd_,

    by skimn

    add a dash of Southern Comfort. Cameron has always said it's a Vietnam analogy.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Avatar porn version

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Not a very creative title...remmeber when porn pastiches of Hollywood movies had titles like The Sperminator and Lord of the,er...'Rings'? Larry Flynt can do better.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    True...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Alien is the haunted house in space, and Aliens is a Western - the colony being the ol'frontier town. Or vietnam compound, or whatever you like. And the Aliens being vietcong or mad cajun hillbillies.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Assatar..??

    by skimn

    Thats about the best I could come up with.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Avahard...?

    by skimn

    I keep trying.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Skimn

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "hell, even Mean Girls...any movie where the hero switches sides and takes the side of the so-called "enemy"."<p>Well, I'm sure any movie could be called generic if you're going to be as vague as that. Avatar is just Birth of a Nation in reverse! DW Griffith's ghost should sue!

  • July 7, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The porn version of Inception will be

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    'Erection' - Leo's corporate spy will be paid by a perverted CEO to enter the mind of a large breasted employee in order to implement the thought that she should seduce her boss, but she sends her own spy into the wet dreams of her lecherous boss to make him believe he has erectile disfunction and cannot get it up. Raunchy hi-jinks ensue!

  • July 7, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Avatar as Mac and Me?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Hmmm, the character development is about the same, they have that in common.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    No shilling for McDonalds in Avatar

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That's the key difference.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Turd, should we ever meet, im getting you a present

    by IndustryKiller!

    http://www.threadless.com/ product/2352/ Little_Warrior<P> ;)

  • July 7, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by skimn

    I was wondering when someone would catch my Mean Girls reference.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!, I already have one of those

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I've got a pair of pajamas with that on it as well.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Skimn

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    And I hope your tongue was planted firmly in cheek...shame on you.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by Continentalop

    AVATAR and STAR MAN comparisons are that they are both fish out of water stories. No matter what, they are both going to have some similarities - human disguises himself as an alien to join there culture is going to have some similarities with alien disguising himself as a human. In both cases culture shock and trying to fit in plays a part, it is just the question of is the culture or the person in it the one we are not familiar with. <P> ALIENS can be compared to a lot of movies, but I still stand that it was heavily influenced by THEM!, as well as a bunch of other 1950s Sci-Fi films. The exact same movie, no. But Cameron is always taking stuff he saw as a kid and updating it for modern audiences. <P> THEM! is about a hive of giant ants. ALIENS is about a hive of insect like aliens. <P> In THEM! The heroes encounter a young, traumatized girl an attack. In ALIENS the heroes encounter a young traumatized girl who survived an attack. <P> In THEM! the Air Force and Army fight the ants. In ALIENS they are confronted by future Marines. <P> In THEM! the heroes have to go down in the sewers and water tunnels of LA to rescue some young boys. In ALIENS Ripley has to go down into the water ducts to find Newt. <P> In THEM! the hero uses a flame thrower against the ants, and to help escape the egg chamber and queen. In ALIENS the hero uses a flamethrower against the Xenomorphs to escape the egg chamber and Queen. <P> And finally, Cameron used other Sci-Fi movies for inspiration. Remember the fight between the Queen and Ripley in the Exo-Armor. Doesn't it seem strangely familiar to this scene from DINOSAURUS! <P> http://tinyurl.com/38q9omx <P> That is what Cameron does - he takes things from other movies and genres and puts them in a different context. In THEM! the US Armed forces were viewed as always heroic and the guys who get things done - they had just won WWII after all. But ALIENS was made after Vietnam where the idea that the military can solve and always win became a thing to be doubted. Same in the movie.

  • July 7, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Damn it is really hard to type responses and work

    by Continentalop

    Excuse the 10 million spelling, grammar and typos. Embarrassing.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    The original Alien was cobbled together as well

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    It! The Terror from Beyond Space (almost a beat by beat copy in some places); Mario Bava's Planet of the Vampires; and even Cronenberg's Shivers. Not to mention even slasher movies of the 70's like Halloween, 50's haunted house movies, and of course, Jaws. Cameron was just following the tradition of the original, which itself appropriated other sources in different genres (or even the same genre)and transferred them to new contexts.<P>Yes, I see the point you're making about Starman but I feel that its reductively selective and very vague. There are only about 7 basic story templates in narrative. As annoying as they are, the comparisons to Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves are more appropriate regarding specifics, settings, tone, etc. RPLocke is a ridiculous character but he was right - Starman is a quirky comedy/drama cum road trip sentimental fairytale, nothing like Avatar in any concrete terms. I don't think there's any chance of somebody seeing that movie and Avatar being immediately brought to mind.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I agree that Cameron does do that but so does

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    nearly every genre director. Lucas and the heavily Kurosawa and World War 2 influenced Star Wars for starters. That's really the nature of genre and pop filmmaking by default.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    It's hard for Continentalop to type....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    because he's so nervous about gettin' his ass beat. I'm gonna shut out your lights in just a few short weeks cunti.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I never said it would immediately come to mind

    by Continentalop

    I just brought it up as the fact you could make that comparison. One is about the human experience of entering an alien culture; the other is about an alien entering a human culture. The flip side of the same coin. Like you said, RPLocke is a ridiculous character, he took it to mean I was saying they are the exact same thing (despite me saying "yes RPLocke, they are not exactly the same film. I am just commenting on how the set-up (Alien being living amongst different alien beings disguised as them) has been done before, albeit differently."). <p> If anything I think it is a compliment. Like you said there is only Seven stories, or as Howard Hawks said there is no new stories just new locations and characters you can put in them. That is what Cameron did - I give him credit for that (and once again, if you read my original post I do compliment him on doing that - putting a new spin and things in a new context). <p> As for ALIEN I think one of the big influences was the Creepy Old House movies of the 30s like THE CAT AND THE CANARY or THE BAT WHISPER. I saw some of those than saw ALIEN and was impressed by how much Scott milked the suspense angle when he had them searching for the creature. Everything he did with the xenomorph in the BG moving slowly down on his victims reminds me of the killers in those movies creeping stealthily towards his victims. Plus the entire searching a dark, creepy place for a killer (could of had Scooby Doo on board that ship).

  • July 7, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    Starman was a funny, romantic comedy type movie. Besides Bridges was playing a character that was supposed to be emulating the female characters dead husband. The hero in Avatar wasn't trying to impersonate anyone.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    MJ...

    by Continentalop

    There is only two ways this is going to turn out. You chickening out or me kicking the living shit out of you. That is the only way this is going to turn out. <P> Now keep talking to make yourself appear tough. I find it amusing.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Major difference between Starman and Avatar

    by skimn

    Jeff Bridges' Starman character was like a child among us hu-mans, with an innocence and naivete to reflect our baser nature. Once again proving that most of us human beings are greedy, lousy bastards..wait, maybe there's not that much difference after all.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, let's see

    by Continentalop

    Did Bridges take the form of her dead husband so he could fit in with humanity? Why yes he did. <P> And you do know things can be similar and still be in other genres, right? The original NUTTY PROFESSOR couldn't possibly have any similarities with DR. JECKYLL AND MR. HYDE, now could it, because one is a comedy and the other is a horror movie.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    dude

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I'm gonna fuckin stomp your face open...OPEN. I'll be there no matter what, that's my vacation. You won't show, I know you're chicken shit. Check your facebook, I said "hello"

  • July 7, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Cont

    by skimn

    I know the original is a beloved '50s sci-fier, I grew up watching it several times on tv, but your description of Them makes it sound like an ideal choice for remake/reboot/re-whatever ala Carpenter's The Thing.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I even pulled this picture off your profile

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    It's you and Cobra--Kai: http://tinyurl.com/2vhoxc6

  • July 7, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I replied MJ

    by Continentalop

    Tell you what, keep telling me what you are going to do to me because then I won't feel bad when we meet. <P> Keep digging yourself deeper.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    That from your personal collection MJ?

    by Continentalop

    You enjoyed looking for that a lot I bet.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    soon...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    ;)

  • July 7, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by Continentalop

    Your attempts at psychological warfare are pathetic and obvious MJ. <P> You fucked up.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    How was Jake trying to fit in with humanity? He WASN'T. He fell in love with the Navi girl. THAT WAS IT. He wasn't trying to get in touch with humanity. He already had it.

  • July 7, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    N-E-WAAAYYYZZZZ...back to Inception

    by BLEST

    Here's a link for an alternate trailer that focuses on the characters, I hadn't seen it yet:<p>http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810099246/info <p>Looks sweet!!

  • July 7, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ RPLocke!

    by Continentalop

    Jake wasn't trying to fit in with humanity. BUT HE SURE AS FUCK WAS TRYING TO FIT IN WITH THE NAVI! Otherwise why take a NAVI body? Both in AVATAR and STAR MAN they took those forms so they WOULDN'T FUCKING STICK OUT with the group they were studying! And in the process they connected with someone from that species. Sorry, but that makes it a legitimate comparison. The exact same story - no - but are they touching upon similar themes, yeah they probably are. <P> AVATAR is basically STAR MAN in reverse - a human disguising himself and insinuating himself in an alien culture versus an alien disguising himself and insinuating himself in human culture. <P> How hard is it to see that comparison or are you just trying to be combative for your own sake?

  • July 7, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Fact is stranger than fiction: google "WTC 7"

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Movies may be great escapism, but we can never escape the fact that we are all characters in a big and bold science-fiction/hero's journey story. To quote Waking Life, "We are the authors of ourselves, co-authoring a gigantic Dostoyevsky novel starring clowns." No reason to be bored.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RPLocke

    Give it a rest man, you're just making up bull shit. Go watch Sin City for the 100th time you brain dead ass.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I don't like Sin City

    by Continentalop

    And you are retarded. No, seriously. Either that or you suffer from a serious case of Asperger's syndrome or something. <P> If you cannot grasp the basic idea of how AVATAR and STAR MAN are both based on the same concept - a sci-fi variation of the "fish out of water" story line and the "Stranger in a strange land" - and can't see that similarity no how many times I explain it, you shouldn't be allowed to post here. <P>

  • July 7, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Bldg 7 and Boho Grove on I-75 billboard

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    http://tinyurl.com/2ecxu5t<p>Also, a video that clearly shows WTC 7 was demolished:<p>http://tinyurl.com/2d52eyn<p>Much love to you all.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks for the heads-up. I'll look into it.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Hey Breast Milk/ Spazatronik 2000 and your many aliases

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Shut the fuck up, you Alex Jones spamming puppet. Avatar for the fucking win!! Conspiracy crap for dumb fucks like you. Now tell me - what happened to your partner in crime, that Nerd Rage Retard Strength cunt? He became Ash Williams then Sansara07, didn't he? Fuck you and him!!<P> A - V -A -T -A -R!!!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Scarlett: we get it man. It's just that back in 2001 when there

    by UltraTron

    when everyone saw there was no hole whatsoever in the pentagon moments after the attack- they chose to try and ignore it in the face of all known reason and science. Now we live in AINO.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    OMG SHUT UP ABOUT STAR MAN!!!

    by RPLocke

    That movie wasn't even good! It was BORING! John Carpenter movies are always hit and miss. GADDD!

  • July 7, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Yes, Cameron is a hack - Avatar ONLY at 83%

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Ya dumb fuck, Inception hasn't even been reviewed by the full roster of publications/websites yet - it isn't even released til next week. It will remain high, but you think it's going to stay at 100%? Not after Armond White has his say, I can tell you that.<P>Tell me Spastic cunt, is Cameron a member of the Illuminati, too? <p>A-V-A-T-A-R FTW. You should be personally bowing before Cameron; he showed the truth of 9/11 and illegal wars/occupations in Avatar.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    John Carpenter is sorely missed...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    A shame he can't get a job while Mikey Bay commands millions of $.

  • July 7, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Sadly the conspiracy people got one for Cameron as well.<p> http://tinyurl.com/kseo5q

  • July 7, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Star Hump

    After you're done kicking the piss out of MJ would you mind putting SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK into the ICU? Thanks.

  • July 7, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Holy fuck

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Some people have WAY too much time on their hands.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    RPLocke: Aggressively Ignorant.

    by TedKordLives

    That's a dangerous thing right there, and it's sadly rampant in America these days.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Sigh....(I really shouldn't take the bait,but what the hell)

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    1. Avatar didn't cost $500 million. Not even close. That was some bullshit magically invented by the sensationalist media to create a story and that was later proved to be completely false. It is, however, the kind of unsubstantiated grandstanding bullshit that a dumbfuck like you would swallow hook,line, and sinker. The media knows its audience.<P>2.The film made $2.7 billion dollars, and billions more in DVD/ blu-ray and licensing deals. Not to mention oscar noms, golden globe wins, critical acclaim, mass audience popularity, technological breakthroughs, etc, etc. Biggest failure in history? You crack smoking loon - Avatar is one of the biggest success stories of recent years, and one of the most acclaimed sci fi movies ever (certainly by mainstream standards). <P>3.Top 25 of what, you absolute idiot? Rotten tomato tallies, IMDB ratings? Its in the top of all these things, and these things mean zilch anyway because of the way they are tabulated.<P>4.I'd rather get root canal than have to suffer you continually ruining talkbacks with your inane infowars spamming. I'm sure this is a sentiment shared by many. You should be banned, and I rarely call for anyone's banning. But braindead spammers like you are a waste of everyone's fucking time.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Breast Milk

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Word of advice - continually writing in block capitals makes you look like a retard - but since you are one, and wear the mantle proudly, I'm sure the insinuation will not be viewed as character assassination on your part.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Breast Milk, do you like David Icke?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    You should be thanking John Carpenter for exposing the lizard like forms of the ruling class.<P>DISINFOWARS.COM

  • July 7, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Ha ha, getting angry now, Spaz

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    You are as deluded as a shit house rat.<P>Rotten tomato ratings mean nothing (and Avatar has a high percentage of acclaim there anyway, so your point is absolutely moot regardless). <p>Know why? Because recent movies have their scores tabulated from 100's of reviews, including obscure and meaningless and even contrarian publications and websites. Classic sci fi movies such as Blade Runner and SW and 2001 have a much smaller pool of reviews from which their percentages are tabulated - and these reviews aren't the original ones, either. <P>2001 and Blade Runner, for example, are classics, but they received many mixed and even bad reviews when they were first released. The tomato meter does not reflect this. Instead, most of the reviews for these movies are from later re-releases once the films had been re-evaluated and now garner universal praise. It is now a done thing to praise Blade Runner; not so at the time. <p>And even these reappraisals are only from a much smaller pool of top professional critics than those for new films, where every two bit pimp, small town rag columnist,alternative press reviewer, and idiot fanboy webmaster will have his say. You fail, fuck head.<P>Still butt hurt that Avatar made billions of dollars, huge profits, and was, even accounting for inflation, along with Titanic, the most popular film of the last 25 years? You have to retreat into deluded fantasies and denial to cope with the humiliation and shame, huh, dickhead? Heh, heh, I love it.<P>And please stop talking about Nolan. You are not worthy of being his fan, either. You are as thick as pig shit, and Inception is as likely to go zooming over your stinking head as that other conspiratorial caveat - chemtrails.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Biggest failure, huh?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    $2.7 billion (with a large profit margin) and an oscar nom for best picture and director says otherwise.<P>And no, it cost about $280 million. Wash out your stinking ears and let some air into your pea brain.

  • July 7, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Well, if an episode of Futurama is ranked above Avatar

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    (and indeed by some bizarre rating system one of the greatest pieces of art ever made)it must be true, huh? Tell me, will the legions of dorks rating Inception over and over again with perfect 10's, elevating it to no.1 on the IMDB above Rashomon, Citizen Kane, and Casablanca, also be correct?

  • July 7, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    You DON'T have any idea

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That's the real joke here. You relly are that stupid. Shows the kind of gullible fools that believe in Alex Jones and his cottage industry of conspiracy, eh? I rate your posts about 07% - on the Turd-o-meter (for measuring basic IQ!)

  • July 7, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Breast/ Spaz 2000

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Do they give mental patients access to the internet now as part of their treatment? You really do learn something new every day. I hope they still keep you cunts away from knives and matches, though.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    holy shit....i see they have let the mentally

    by southafricanguy

    unstable/conspiracy nutballs loose in the talkback. Are there really still morons that think Avatar cost 500 million? And that snore fest Moon was more entertaining than Avatar? Bwhahaahahah....yeah thats why it made like 15 mil worlwide because audiances were so entertained and just could nt get enough lol. That was sarcasm btw....

  • July 7, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    And anyone that thinks a script written by the

    by southafricanguy

    "brain trust" of Orci and Kurtzman which has some of the most ridiculous coincidences (Kirk meeting spock in the cave) its possible for a script to have is a sign of quality while Avatar's is bad has fuckall credibility (and I enjoyed Star Trek).

  • July 7, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Star Trek fucking BLEW

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I'll let AsimovLives fill you in on the rest. But it makes sense that a retard like you was entertained by Jay Jay's magic lightshow. As for Moon - that's beyond your intelligence.<P>Avatar is one of the most acclaimed sci-fi movies ever, by any measurable yardstick (financial, technological breakthrough, audience popularity, critical). That cannot be denied. Deal with it, you shit house rat.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Um. Like what is this about now? Oh and please.

    by UltraTron

    Never use the word conspiracy theory. There are none. There are fact hypothesises and nothing besides. Now nobody has even attempted to answer my question. Who should play the head of earth badguy central in Avatar 2? Agent smith? Chris Walken? Who is most worthy?!

  • July 7, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy, this cunt is our old nemesis

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Spazatronik2000. Remember him and Nerd Rage? The demented loons are back for more (well, one of em, anyway).

  • July 7, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Whatever dude....I cant believe anyone

    by southafricanguy

    is still wasting their time spamming a talkback to trash a movie they claim to hate (you seem just a tad too damn obsessed). Maybe you should try to accept that many people like something you dont, or barring that grow up.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I know Turd, the same arrogant

    by southafricanguy

    cunts that "predicted" Avatar's mass failure. God, it must eat them up inside how much money Avatar has made lol. 2.7 billion, 20 million DVD/blu rays sold in the first three weeks of release, Oscar noms, and a good critical rating. Oh, how it must sit in their craw

  • July 7, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    This statement reveals your fundamental lack

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    of intelligence: "YA I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN INTERNET IN 1954 WHEN ROTTEN TOMATOES GAVE "TURDS TINY BRAIN FROM OUTER SPACE" 100% LMAO WHAT A MORON!!!!!!!.<p>I'm talking about the fact that the RT archives don't contain reviews from the time of release and thus tabulate their scores accordingly and fairly (for comaprison with newer releases), NOT that there was actually an internet in existence in the fucking 60/70/80's when they were literally first released. You absolute turkey.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Dont worry spaztronic, there will be sequals

    by southafricanguy

    , spin offs, and a lot of expansion media to piss you off. Enjoy.......Toodles

  • July 7, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    You have to love the conversation he is havi

    by southafricanguy

    ng with himself, this must be the runnig dialouge he constantly has with himself to deal with how wrong he was about Avatar's box office success lol...Too damn funny

  • July 7, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Lactating cunt, who are you trying to convince

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    with your litany of automaton-like statements (much like Trannyformers cunt). Yourself, or us? Because you're shit out of luck with the latter. Keep on repeating these 'facts' (And outright lies) with your fingers in your ears, like a baby cooing itself to sleep. It just might make the big, bad Avatar movie go away, huh? <P>Come to think, there are definite parallels between your blind, deluded beliefs concerning Avatar and your belief in crackpot conspiracies based on no rationality or facts. One could see how such an individual could so readily fall for that nonsense. I hope characters like Alex Jones milk you for everything you and the sheep 'believers' have got. You deserve to be exploited.

  • July 7, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I love both Titanic and Avatar. Titanic did rip off the

    by UltraTron

    whole actual tragic disaster thing though. I was hoping for a Hollywood ending where the Lusitania came to a speedy rescue

  • July 7, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Scarlettjohannssons........Blah balah balh

    by southafricanguy

    blah blah, blah blah etc....Yeah, I think we got it. But then we got after the first 10 million times you said it. Now, kindly, GO GET A LIFE ASSHOLE, or barring that, GROW THE FUCK UP YOU INTELLECTUALLY STUNTED MAN-CHILD......

  • July 7, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    This is an impression of Scarletjohannsons

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives

    by RPLocke

    Fuck off moron, bash Avatar some more. It's only at 80 percent on RT, you douche.

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    and repeat again endlessly ...blah

    by southafricanguy

    Blah blah blah,.....I hate Avatar...blah blah blah, I hate Avatar...blah blah blah blah...I hate James Cameron...blah blah blah....repeat endlessly........

  • July 7, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Avatar didn't just take the general story of other movies..

    by The Dark Shite

    ALL the characters have been directly lifted from those movies too. The woman, teaching him her culture, the "Baddass" native who doubts him, the "badguy" military type intent on conquering..<p> Let's see..Dances With Wolves..The Last Samurai, elements of pocahontas..fuck, even Pathfinder. Maybe the only original character is Sigourney Weaver's (& even that could be seen as Timothy Spall's character in The Last Samurai).<p> The only good thing about Avatar was the way it looked & I'm being kind, because the 3D didn't work well for me. Maybe 'cause I had to wear my own glasses under the 3D ones. Or maybe I've wanked away my depth perception:-).

  • July 7, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite OMG SHUT UP!!

    by RPLocke

    Avatar was SCI FI!!! It wasn't fucking Dances with Wolves. It was JUST like any Star Trek episode where Kirk would go into a planet culture and change it up in ten minutes. SHUT UP!!!

  • July 7, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    You shut the fuck up, Cocknose.

    by The Dark Shite

    Your broken leg may have healed, but that doesn't mean you can't get another. I know more about film than you know about life in general, you wonky little sailor boy.

  • July 7, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by RPLocke

    Who the fuck are you? Steven Spielberg?

  • July 7, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Yes.

    by The Dark Shite

    Stroke my beard, bitch.

  • July 8, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Hey Scarlettjohannson...exactly you dumb

    by southafricanguy

    cunt! Just like you have been boring the the hell out of everyone with your spamming bullshit and endlessly repeating yourself. I dont know whats funnier, your complete and utter lack of self awareness or the complete lack of irony in you calling anyone else boring....

  • July 8, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I'm not in the "I hate Avatar" camp btw..

    by The Dark Shite

    I just read some of the loonie posts above. I actually looked forward to Avatar & saw it on Christmas day. I just felt that story-wise, I'd seen it before. <p> It was a good event movie, great visually, I'd probably see a sequel. But it wasn't the classic some claim it to be.

  • July 8, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    And please dont project your gay fantasies/

    by southafricanguy

    desires onto me pal. Im sure you can find some dude to ram his dick up your asshole without trolling for it here in the AICN talkbacks.....

  • July 8, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Darkshite...hey dude. Whats up? Btw, its

    by southafricanguy

    not actually fair to accuse Avatar of copying Dances with Wolves for one simple reason (and it displays an ignorance of pulp serail sci-fi)Because Dances itself borrows rather heavily from much older source material. Namely John Carter of Mars, which is the admitted main inspiration for Avatar. And for the record Darkshite, I also felt the story was the weak point of Avatar, I for one hope that it the number one thing Cameron remedies for the sequal, especially considering that he has generally had good stories in his past films...

  • July 8, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Darkshite...hey dude. Whats up? Btw, its

    by southafricanguy

    not actually fair to accuse Avatar of copying Dances with Wolves for one simple reason (and it displays an ignorance of pulp serail sci-fi)Because Dances itself borrows rather heavily from much older source material. Namely John Carter of Mars, which is the admitted main inspiration for Avatar. And for the record Darkshite, I also felt the story was the weak point of Avatar, I for one hope that it the number one thing Cameron remedies for the sequal, especially considering that he has generally had good stories in his past films...

  • July 8, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    DARK SHIT OH SORRY I MEANT DARK SHITE

    by RPLocke

  • July 8, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    HEY!!!!!!!!!!

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    WHATS ALL THIS HAPPY HORSE SHIT ABOUT??????

  • July 8, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Hey southafricanguy

    by The Dark Shite

    Is it my PC, or is this thing really slow? I type & it takes 2 minutes for the words to appear. Anyway..<p> I must admit, I've never actually read any of the John Carter stuff. I wouldn't call it an ignorance of serial sci-fi, so much as a total lack of interest in the subject matter. I know the story quite well, through friends. It just doesn't appeal to me, so I can't really comment on something I haven't read. <p> The thing is, that maybe even proves my point a little. While I at least know of John Carter of Mars, the majority don't. Most probably have seen the aforementioned movies however & would still recognise the same characters, rehashed. I dunno, I think I just expected more originality from a movie that took so long to make & was so beautifully crafted in all other respects. I'm hoping Inception will bring the kind of depth I was hoping for. <p> Anyway, whatever's wrong with my pc, isn't conducive for this kind of post. I can't think clearly of what I wanna say, because I can't see the words I'm typing. I bet this will take 30 minutes for the text to show up, so I can post it. Weird.

  • July 8, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    RPLocke..Shite means shit anyway. You dumb cunt.

    by The Dark Shite

    I can't believe you just tried to insult me with my own self-insult:-). I can just see you now, giggling with glee, thinking "Oh, I really got him with that one. I'm a genius tee hee!!".......Tosser.

  • July 8, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Darkshite....theres a delay thanks to the

    by southafricanguy

    large amount of posts/sapmming from boring idiots like SJBM. I can see where you are coming from, but you do have to realize that its the very stuff Cameron grew up reading, and his intention was to make a modernized/updated version of it. Now that either appeals to you or it does nt. For me, I love classic pulp serial sci-fi, so I loved what Cameron did conceptually, imho he succeeded at updating John Carter. And as a big fan of heavy metal magazine, and anime, I loved the look and design of everything, and how colorful it all was. Avatar really looked like the pages of heavy metal brought to life. Anyway...as I said the story, or rather its simplicity, was the big dissapointment for me. As I have already said, its the number one thing that HAS to be remedied for the sequal. I think there is great potential for what could be done storywise in the universe Cameron has created, it now simply remains for Cameron to do that....

  • July 8, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    Aah....being called a dumb fuck by someone

    by southafricanguy

    that posts without the slightest hint of irony or self awarness is like being called stupid by a retard. Like being called stupid by George Bush....either way it cant be taken seriously.....

  • July 8, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    and seriously dude, im not gay, im sorry im

    by southafricanguy

    not interested, no matter how many times you try to troll around here for some gay action, you are nt going to get. I suggest you try your friends....

  • July 8, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    NO SHIT REALLY WOW!!! I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!

    by RPLocke

    Let's compare Avatar to more movies. I think Avatar is like Caddyshack, because they both take place in a forest.

  • July 8, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    y SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK

    by RPLocke

    OMG! Your Screen Name is longer than Avatar. BTW, Avatar was one of the better winter movies of recent years. Sherlock Holmes was good too. Better than Iron Man 2 even.

  • July 8, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST

    RPLocke, have you ever heard of Comparative Literature?

    by Continentalop

    What the Hell are we supposed to compare Avatar to if not other movies? Sculptures? Album covers? Sports teams?

  • July 8, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST

    If you were posting with irony RPcock..

    by The Dark Shite

    Then you failed even more than I thought. IF you didn't know that shite means shit, then a "joke" like "DARK SHIT OH SORRY I MEANT DARK SHITE", is a little embarassing for you. <p>If you did know, then it fails on every concievable level. It's a joke without a punchline. Like this kid I knew at school who used to go up to girls & say "You use tampons he he he".It's simply stating a fact, that only you find funny.<p> I'm worried for you. Seriously.That "joke" shows a worryingly low intellect & an underdeveloped sense of humour.<p> Hope you liked stroking my magnificent Speilberg beard by the way. I'm assuming that's what took you so long to come back with such an ill-thought out reply. Luxurious isn't it? Now get back to it, before I decide to do the humane thing & have you shot.

  • July 8, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by RPLocke

    OMG are you still up? Go to bed. Your pimp is calling.

  • July 8, 2010, 1:37 a.m. CST

    But Sherlock Holmes was good

    by Continentalop

    I'll grant you that.

  • July 8, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    You should be a pimp RPcock..

    by The Dark Shite

    Let's face it, it's the only way such a gormless, charisma-free zone as you is gonna get laid. <p> Uncle Dave doesn't count. If you have to keep it as "our little secret", then as far as the rest of the world outside the torture chamber knows, you're still a little limpet with a low I.Q who can't get laid.<p> & why would I go to bed in the middle of the afternoon? Unlike you, I don't need to rest a wrecked anal cavity.

  • July 8, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    Did you just say gormless

    by RPLocke

    OMG what a nerd.

  • July 8, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Did you just say OMG?

    by The Dark Shite

    Holy fuck, what a cunt.

  • July 8, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    There's no dissing of MOON on my watch, mister! Two rights do not make a wrong. You don't need to bash the excelent MOON to praise the fine AVATAR, man! Show your love for AVATAR all you want, but don't do that at the expense of MOON. Two rights do not make a wrong!

  • July 8, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Love it or hate it, AVATAR is...

    by AsimovLives

    ... the most commercially sucessful movie since TITANIC. There's no debating that. Those are facts. If the movie has dramtic flaws,that's another mater. But to try to use accounting to bring down AVATAR is just stupid. That is the very thing nobody can ever make an argument to bring down AVATAR. Migth as well try to dry all the water of the oceans with a hairdrier, it's the same result.

  • July 8, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Commercial sucess means jack all about a movie's...

    by AsimovLives

    ... quality. The exceklent THE DARK KNIGHT was a huge sucess. The good but flawed AVATAR was a super-huge sucess. The mediocre obnoxious TRASHFORMERS 2 was a huge sucess. Again and again people bringthe box office, but the truth is, as movies themselves, in matters of their qualiy, i