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AICN COMICS Q&@: Ambush Bug talks SUPERMAN & WONDER WOMAN with J. Michael Straczynski!!!

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Q’s by Ambush Bug!

@’s by J. Michael Straczynski!

Hey folks, Ambush Bug here with another episode of AICN COMICS Q&@. So things are stirring up at DC with two of their major players. Writer J. Michael Straczynski is taking over both SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN. The biggest changes appear to be a costume change for Wonder Woman and a new, more human challenge for Superman. But JMS has a lot more on tap for this powerful pair. I had a chance to chat with JMS about his plans for both series. (EDITOR’S NOTE: Due to computer problems, I wasn’t able to have images for this interview, folks. Sorry.)
AMBUSH BUG (BUG): So Wonder Woman's got a new costume coming our way with in the newest issue of her comic. What's going to be happening in the comic that prompts the wardrobe change?

J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI (JMS): It's really a matter of form following function. The gods altered the timeline and removed their protection from Paradise Island nearly two decades ago. Diana, then a child, was smuggled out as her mother led the Amazons in one final battle.
She was subsequently raised in an urban environment, by her mother's guards and handmaids, who taught her about her heritage but she has little memory of it. Growing up with a foot in both worlds, she wouldn't be running around a big urban city in the standard togs. Something that was more subtle was needed by the situation, and keeping the signature icons lets us keep our stories in both worlds.

BUG: All of a sudden, this powerhouse who wore a skimpy costume is now more covered up and looks a bit more street savvy. How is this change going to reflect how folks react to Diana in the DCU?

JMS: Remember that since the timeline was changed, for most people who'd she'd encounter, this is how she's always looked. There are some, like the Oracle, who can see both timelines, but for most, this is who she's always been, so there wouldn't be a different reaction.

What kind of input did you have on Jim Lee's redesign? Were there any guidelines you gave him to spring from?

JMS: I gave Jim a lot of suggestions, but mainly of a general nature. I wanted something tougher, more street-wise, I had specific ideas about the bracelets, and the general notion of a more modern silhouette that incorporates some of her iconic pieces. It took us a few go-rounds to get there, but we finally did.

BUG: Are there aspects of the costume you weren't allowed to mess with?

JMS: Nobody at any point said "you can't do this." It was always down to aesthetics and making the look work in both worlds, so she can leave the jacket on and pass as more or less unnoticed, then open it or take it off and fly the colors.
I was thinking about this earlier today, and wondered...suppose that this new look had always been Wonder Woman's look. How would people react if we took a clothed, tough look and put her in a one-piece bathing suit? Rather than objectifying her, we wanted to focus on less flesh and more character, which is not always the way female superheroes are drawn.

BUG: Wonder Woman has a rabid fanbase who, in the past, have been very vocal about changes to Diana's character, yet in order to keep the character interesting, some kind of change has to occur (especially with a character as old as her). How do you change a character that is so iconic without losing those iconic aspects of said character?

JMS: Depends to a degree on what parts you define as iconic. She's still an Amazon (relocated, but still of that bloodline and still raised by Amazons), still Hippolyta's daughter, still a warrior, still fighting to protect her people, gradually growing into her full the basic elements are all still there.
It's a question of nature vs. nurture. How would she have grown up differently in this situation? How would it affect her? But she's still who she is.

BUG: So really, we're talking comics here, and in comics a return to status quo occurs about as often as status quo shaking change. How long before we see Diana back in the old skimpy costume?

JMS: That's a DC decision. She's their character, so as with any character, her appearance staying or changing is fundamentally their call.

BUG: What kind of exciting plans do you have in store for Wonder Woman in the coming months?

JMS: She's going to be fighting to stay alive, keep the army that's after her from killing other suriving amazons, and peeling back the onion to find out who did this, and why. At first, our emphasis will be on the guy leading the army against her...but he's not the endgame, there's someone standing behind him...and someone standing behind that person. At each step, the dangers become more substantial, the threat more real, and more of the mystery is revealed. And that mystery is two sided: who's ultimately behind the threat, and why would the gods do this to her in the first place? Did they do it for laughs, as the gods are sometimes wont to do, or are they afraid of something? The ultimate resolution of this may involve the survival of the entire human race.
Along the way, she's going to be meeting a whole new rogues' gallery, many drawn from greek myths we haven't explored previously. It's when she runs into the first of these, the Keres, who drag the souls of the dead down into the underworld and feed on them, that Diana begins to realize that there is more going on than meets the eye.

BUG: About your new SUPERMAN arc, from the looks of the teaser in SUPERMAN #700, it looks to be a pretty emotional story with Superman humbled by a human tragedy and choosing to ground himself and walk the Earth like Samuel L. Jackson in PULP FICTION or Kane from KUNG FU. Can you tell the readers what this arc is going to be all about?

JMS: What it's definitely not going to be about is Superman moping around the country feeling lost. I have no interest in writing that story, and I don't think people have any interest in reading it, either.
It's about reconnecting, in a vital and personal way, with the country that was and is his home. The analogy I've used elsewhere is when a married couple renews their vows. In a way, that ritual is even more important than the original wedding, because now the honeymoon is long over, the years have passed, and we love that person with their faults and flaws, not in spite of them.
So I want to create a situation where we see ourselves through Superman's eyes, and him through our eyes, to see where we are and what he can, or should, or shouldn't be doing.

BUG: How is this Superman story different from other stories written about the character?

JMS: It's different from the recent arcs which have put Superman in deep space and on epic adventures in all the obvious ways. But it's similar to the sorts of stories that were written about him when he first debuted. Superman was launched as the court of last resort for the average guy without access to expensive lawyers or low friends in high places. He battled against those who tried to harm or take advantage of others, who preyed on the less fortunate. So we're going back to that kind of storytelling for a while.

BUG: One problem I've always had with Superman is that I've always felt difficult connecting with the character and it seems to be a factor in other folks who aren't so interested in the character. Is this new "Grounded" arc a response to this disconnect folks may have with the Man of Steel?

JMS: To a degree. I've often heard from others their difficulty in identifying with someone who's that powerful and invulnerable. But while his skin can't be easily pierced, his heart can be pierced as easily as yours or mine. So if we concentrate on that aspect, I think we have a better chance of creating a connection with folks who may have that concern.

BUG: It's a Superman book, so there's got to be some pretty formidable foes coming for Supes. Can you clue us in on who Superman will be facing while he's "walking the Earth"?

JMS: It'll be about 30% powered enemies and the rest are more personal stories. In the first full issue, he has to deal with drugs in the inner city, and a woman intent upon suicide. What can he do? How much can he actually do to stop this?
Yes, he can pull her down from the building she intends to leap from, but that doesn't solve the problem that put her up there in the first place. He can chase away the drug dealers, but they'll just set up shop somewhere else.
So he will have to find ways to solve problems that go beyond what he's generally called upon to do. You can't punch inequuity in the face, can't outrun hopelessness, can't fly circles around our drive toward self destruction...but at the same time, he has to find some way to deal positively with what he encounters.
There will be some answers along the way, but they will never be easy answers.

BUG: I really like the premise of this story and being a person who normally doesn't follow the Superman titles, I'm surprised at how interested I am. How do you plan on reeling in folks like me who don't get Superman and get them to check out this new arc?

JMS: I've started practicing voodoo. I'll let you know how it goes.

BUG: There wasn't a lot of focus on Superman's famous supporting cast in the teaser in issue #700. How do they factor into this new arc?

JMS: We'll see some of them from time to time, but again, they're not the point. We are the point. So that has to be the focus.
Lois will show up here and there, starting in 601, and a few others will come alongside him from time to time, more along the lines of "what the hell are you doing?" kind of way...but mainly, it's him and us.

BUG: How are you managing to keep up with the responsibilities on three major DC titles; SUPERMAN, WONDER WOMAN, and THE BRAVE & THE BOLD?

JMS: Did I mention the voodoo thing...?

BUG: One BRAVE & THE BOLD question...ok more like a request...please keep the offbeat pairings like Aquaman & the Demon coming. That issue was one of my favorites of the past year. With such a vast cast of characters at your disposal, are there any characters you are just itching to pair up in the book?

JMS: In forthcoming issues, we've got Phantom Stranger and Supergirl, Jor-El and Jonathan Kent, Batman and the Haunted Tank, and coming up shortly, the Legion of Substitute Heroes and the Inferior Five.

BUG: Back to SUPERMAN, with you writing both WONDER WOMAN & SUPERMAN books, will there be a crossover at some point?

JMS: Yeah, I'd like them to cross paths on the road at some point. That could be massively fun.

BUG: Last chance, why should folks run, drive, or fly their invisible planes to their local comic store to pick up WONDER WOMAN #600?

I think the main incentive is that this is a good jumping-on point for new readers. This is a character set against a modern setting but with mythic roots, fighting tooth and nail to save her people and stay alive...there's a mystery behind this...and there's a very different vibe to the way we integrate the mythic and the modern, almost a Sandman vibe, for lack of a better (or less grandiose) parallel. Mainly: it's going to be fun and exciting and strongly character-based.

BUG: Last, last chance, why should folks seek out SUPERMAN's new "Grounded" arc starting in last week's SUPERMAN #700?

JMS: Because it will improve their love lives, eliminate wrinkles and aging, shine their car like nothing they've used before, enlarge whatever parts of their body they believe is in need of expansion, and their teeth will be whiter and brighter than ever.
And did I mention the voodoo thing...?

BUG: Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions and be sure to check out JMS’ new arcs starting in SUPERMAN #700 and WONDER WOMAN #600 in stores now!

Ambush Bug is Mark L. Miller, original @$$Hole / wordslinger / reviewer / co-editor of AICN Comics for over nine years. Check out his ComicSpace page for his entries in Cream City Comics’ MUSCLES & FIGHTS VOL.3 and MUSCLES & FRIGHTS VOL.1 anthologies. Bug was interviewed here & here (about AICN Comics) and here & here (on his VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS: THE TINGLER comics). Bug’s latest comic is VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS #21: WITCHFINDER GENERAL (available in May’s Previews Order # MAY100828) on sale in July. Fanboy Radio recently interviewed Bug about it here. Bug was also interviewed here & here about his upcoming original vampire miniseries NANNY & HANK (available in June's Previews Order #JUN100824) due out in August.

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  • July 1, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by Lacloake

  • July 1, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    never done that before...

    by Lacloake

    ...and now that I have i feel a bit dirty...

  • July 1, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit!

    by DimensionsPlural

    "You're fired!!!"

  • July 1, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    and now...

    by Lemure_v2

    change the Superman costume. Drug dealers and co. can't take the primary-colours get up seriously. It looks like a kid designed it. Be bold and do something new. NOT black.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "Depends to a degree on what parts you define as iconic."..

    by Thanos0145

    Well, her costume is ICONIC.<p>Both his Superman and Wonder Woman arcs sound like they are going to be shit.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    They're gonna make her the new WW

    by whateverworks I promise you this!

  • July 1, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    They're gonna make her the new WW

    by whateverworks I promise you this!

  • July 1, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    black leather jacket = edgy/urban/contemporary?

    by juice willis

    Talk about tired and uninspired. Motherfuckers need to get out more.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    sorry about the double post

    by whateverworks

  • July 1, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I like all of his answers, they all make sense

    by Jaka

    But I have very little attachment to either of these characters. I'll probably check out the new WW, but Sups has just never been my thing unless he was interacting with Batman.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    "It is the question of nature vs nurture."

    by Continentalop

    I would say it is a question of not really wanting to write or do Wonder Woman. <p>

  • July 1, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Why are people so against this?

    by Jaka

    Do you actually read Wonder Woman monthly? Is it really so good that it couldn't stand some change and updating? Do you honestly think his ideas are that bad, or are you just trying to be contradictory? Because they sound pretty solid to me. Worthy of giving a chance, anyway. And I'm not talking shit, I genuinely want to know. Everyone goes on and on about how DC and Marvel are stuck in amber, but anytime they try ANYTHING new everybody gets their panties in a bunch. It makes no sense to me.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    a good jumping on point

    by Star Hump

    Why do we need a good jumping on point? Is it because for decades comics have been nothing but fan fiction written by fan boys for fan boys? Is it because they're crammed full of incomprehensible stories, reboots (like this one) and crappy crossovers that only fan wankers would possibly understand or enjoy?<p> How about making comics accessible so that anyone can pick up any issue and be entertained by the character and the story?<p> It'll never happen, right JMS? Because that's not the audience you're writing for.<p> And Superman goes on a walkabout? You have got to be kidding me.<p> Superhero comics are dying. Only the secret society of middle-aged fan boys produce and read them now. It used to be sad, but the sooner these things go out of print, the better. It's time to euthanize this tired old genre.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The Superman arc sounds more promising

    by Continentalop

    Much more like he is trying to tap into Supes early Golden Age, "champion of the oppressed" angle. But the walking tour of America just sounds pretentious. <P> Can't he battle against inequity and oppression from Metropolis? I mean. that is why he is a reporter, to witness those things and find out what Superman must fight.

  • July 1, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    People don't like change

    by whateverworks


  • July 1, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Wonder Woman new look sucks

    by FrankManhattan

    Why does everyone think black jackets are cool? Fuck, DC is anyone in your offices interested in comics at all?

  • July 1, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Jaka, the question is...

    by Continentalop

    ...if the character of WW doesn't work at all anymore for modern audiences, why even do something called Wonder Woman? This is WW in name only, JMS's character bares only the slightest cosmetic resemblance to the character. <P> I would rather they cancel the character than just create a cynical update of her for the sake of name recognition.

  • July 1, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Star Hump

    by Continentalop

    I couldn't agree more.

  • July 1, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Thing about the Wonder Woman...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...makeover is that it's a new look but its already dated. Montenegro boots? The disco marines jacket? It's also not a distinctive look. Okay, she's undercover...but comics is a...what do they call it...oh, you know the reason they tend to be kind of colorful and dramatically drawn-- Wait! That's it! A graphic medium! <p> So tradition whatever, we'll always have Lynda Carter in her satin tights. But if you're going to change something sort of want to come up with something good. And when they're selling your new handwear at the Justice store for pre-teen girls (had to buy my daughter three pairs and $11 a shot) you just may not have it.

  • July 1, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    The Babylon Project was out last, best hope for peace...

    by Jay_Lenos_Ugly_Wife


  • July 1, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    She had the American Flag on her Ass, fer crissakes!

    by Tall_Boy66

    I like the new costume. I always found it silly whenever she's in exposed harsh environments like snow or rain. Or just sitting beside the rest of the fully-clothed JLA, aside from Martian Manhunter that is. ("But she's a goddess and doesn't feel it" is a lame explanation). And she had the American Flagg. On. Her. Butt. It looked freakin stupid. Bring on the revamp, at least she won't look too wildly out of place in, like, everywhere.

  • July 1, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I always thought a major part of Wonder Woman's charm...

    by cookylamoo

    Is that she was half-naked. If anything I would go the other way and have her fight in a bikini.

  • July 1, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    And Batman and Superman wear shorts over their pants

    by Continentalop

    Along with every other superhero. Complaining about Wonder Woman's classic costume is absurd in a medium where you have shirtless Hawkmen and fishnet wearing Black Canary. You want realism and logic you should really go read or watch something else.

  • July 1, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Anyone remember the Thor Relaunch?

    by ClassicsFist

    It's an ok relaunch (and I do agree that the Superman and the Brave and the Bold sound better - I will definitely look for them) but Staczynski does need to actually maintain his commitment to the book. Does anyone remember the Thor relaunch, where he let Africa solve its own problems in issue #4? Or the really awful introduction to an otherwise awesome Iron Man smackdown in #3? Or how it would take MONTHS for another issue to come out?

  • July 1, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    WW's new look is atrocious

    by paketep

    It must have been really hard for them to fuck up this big. How long did they try?

  • July 1, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    My Reservations

    by MattDomville

    I always liked Wonder Woman best because, unlike all the other biggies, she wasn't American. There's mention of "an urban setting", and I realllllly hope this setting isn't in the U.S. of A.

  • July 1, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    New WW design is fucking HORRIBLE

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    It will last about as long as Azbat

  • July 1, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    WW's costume looks like one of those Xtreme 90s redesign

    by George Newman

    like this one that happened to Dr.Fate <p> This redesign will last 10 issues, MAX. It's just really lame and no one is gonna buy into it.

  • July 1, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Altered Wonder Woman timeline sounds stupid

    by TheWaqman

    I hate all this 'alternate' timeline bullshit. Comics use that dumb excuse too much. Anyways the original WW costume was fine, save for those ridiculous star-spangled Granny panties. She's not Captain America's fucking wife! I feel that if they make a WW film the costume might resemble the new one a bit. Which is decent, minus the lame jacket.

  • July 1, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Pass me some haterade, too...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...because when I saw the story on CNN about WW's new costume, I literally laughed out loud. Remember when they tried to update Superman's look, and decided the way to do it was to have him grow a mullet? There was also that horrible electric Superman outfit. This is the same thing. And isn't it remarkably similar in design to the last time they tried to reboot WW's costume in the 70's? That design was even acknowledged by Denny O'Neil as a mistake, but apparently the guys in charge think the millionth time will be the charm. Has an "edgy, urbanized" design change EVER revitalized a comic book character?

  • July 1, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Byrne's Version of the WW Costume was the Best...

    by thecomedian

    As was his run on the title 12 or so years ago. Yeah, it as kind of a retread of everything he did with She Hulk minus the 4th wall breaking but still I think he got Diana in a very K.I.S.S.(Keep it simple, stupid.) way. Perez's post-crisis run is really the modern benchmark that no one has matched. Gail Simmon tried to do some cool things with her too. I love the Linda Carter version of the character but I don't think it really works having Diana be a naive, fish out of water, good hearted, school teacher type making speeches all the time. And it sucks when they try to make her go dark or too Xena as well. I think she works better when she's cocky(for lack of a better term), super powerful and comically amused with "man's world" instead of naively floating around playing subservient secretary for that clueless dickweed Steve Trevor.

  • July 1, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    The problem with the new togs...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...besides that they suck... I mean seriously, it looks like Jim Lee had a leftover design from his Image days and just slapped in on WW. No the real problem is, that costume, thanks to the amazing Linda Carter, is iconic. The effect is similar to when they made Superman into a glowing blue gay guy. My gf hates the new costume. When I asked her, well, wasn't the old one sexist. she said that she's fucking Wonder Woman, she can pull off the look and if any perv makes a comment she'll toss him over a building.

  • July 1, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Expiration Date

    by Miles_Teg

    I give the costume 16 issues at most before DC realizes how retarded they are. Again.

  • July 1, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    And I might give JMS's Supes a look-see...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...But no way could it ever be better than Grant Morrison's version. When he rescued that emo chick from committing suicide, I had a fuckin' tear in my eye and I'm a cynical bastard.

  • July 1, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Great. Mopey Superman Walkin' Round All Sad.

    by LaserPants

    That worked GREAT with Superman Returns, didn't it? Oh, wait, it was an unmitigated failure? Good luck, JMS. Good luck.

  • It doesn't have anything to do with WW discussion but I had to mention it.

  • July 1, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Widow--sorry ran out of room

    by leo54304

  • July 1, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Straczynski's earned a lot of credit for Rising Stars

    by Disco_sucks

    But both of these reboots look pretty bad. Gail Simone's run on Wonder Woman was pretty great and it really seemed that she got the character - that she as able to write a woman as being strong without pandering to comics trends. I always liked the costume because, like Superman's underwear over the suit, it made her seem mightier when she did all that while looking ridiculous.<p>The Superman thing? Sounds like we're back in Green Lantern and Green Arrow territory but really, who cares about Superman encountering kids with drug problems or elderly couples who might lose their house in the economic crisis? It sounds even worse than the WW plot (I can't think of anything more boring or overdone than the evil government trying to catch the superhero(ine) - hasn't it been done to death already in Hulk, just to name one) or the unnecessary reboot of her history, which was clearly only done to placate Straczynsk's ego.

  • July 1, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy Theory

    by Miles_Teg

    JMS is taking a page from Marvel and trying to use a bad costume design on purpose to drum up interest in the character again before he puts her back in her iconic costume as a way of putting up numbers for the title. Apparently nothing boosts sales than bad costumes for iconic characters.

  • July 1, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    fishnet wearing Black Canary is cool because it looks hot

    by Tall_Boy66

    American Flag on a Broad's Ass Looks Fucking Retarded. Revamp that shit, pronto!

  • July 1, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    See, Superman and Batman's costumes are iconic

    by Tall_Boy66

    Wonder Woman's is not. She looks like a Star Spangled Bimbo. Hawkman, also shirtless, also looks retarded. Black Canary in fishnets looks like a hooker, therefore hot. Chick with American flag on her as looks like a fucking chick with an American flag on her ass.

  • July 1, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Hot chick with american flag underwear...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...and no pants. I fail to see the problem with that, T_B66.

  • July 1, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    saw X-Men 1 again recently

    by deelzbub

    and wondered aloud why the hell they didn't go with the original costumes. At the time it came out, I understood they were trying to update the look for movie audiences.<P> But you know what? The updated costumes NOW look dated. The original costumes are TIMELESS! <P> are you listening JMS?

  • July 1, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    How is Wonder Woman's costume NOT iconic?

    by Continentalop

    You show almost anyone that costume and they will recognize it. You go here to Hollywood and you'll see one or two actresses around Mann's Chinese Theater wearing it, compared to maybe seeing a Supergirl, Batgirl or Catwoman. <p> And she doesn't have a flag on her ass, she wears shorts with stars on them. World of difference. <p> And Black Canary in Fishnets, yeah, the hooker look just screams a hero you should take seriously.

  • July 1, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Crush for WW

    by David Cloverfield

    I've been saying this for years. Hurry up Gina!

  • July 1, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Check Wikipedia on WW and you'll realize

    by leo54304

    just how powerful and skilled she is. With Athena blessing theres not a weapon she can't figure out with just a glance even alien ones. Languages she can pick up quickly, scientific theories, how something works the same thanks to the wisdom of Athena. Thats just one gods blessing. Personally I'd like her to be earths number one warrior. Batman when he had his choices of JLAers to free when they were captured during GA/BC wedding chose WW. I agree with some who say move WW away from the mythology stuff. The Boston gang storyline was nice. So too was the Paradise Lost storyline. What hurts WW a lot is lack of a mortal foe. For this I nominate Circe. She's the anithesis of everything Diana stands for. She's ruthless, smart and resourceful enough to jump to the A-list of villains. She really could be DCs answer to Loki. For looks WW needs bare shoulder and arms to show how powerful she is. Keep her traditional outfit. Just read the TB "Paradise Lost" and you'll see she doesn't need a costume makeover maybe just something with her belt. Another idea for plot spicing is to have her and Ares become reluctant allies in a coming war with a new being who wants to be the new god of war. Another thing to spice up role is to be a defender of Gaea. Yes, I know about the elemntals created to protect her but I think its part of the reason Gaea granted her some of WWs powers. Thats another possible storyline. Lastly to quote Kyle Rayner in a battle where WW was kicking enemy butt: thats our Wonder WOman!!

  • July 1, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Tallboy, Supes and Bats wear briefs on the outside

    by Tacom

    How are those looks any less retarded than Wondy's? So what if she wears a swimsuit out of the American flag. It never failed to make me "salute"(wink wink, nudge nudge).

  • July 1, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Batman/WW sleep together and have a child

    by leo54304

    You want an epic event with long term implications this would be it. Yeah, Bats has a kid but imagine the sibling rivalry between his current son and if his and Diana's child is a girl? Bruce having to deal with a duaghter. Diana and Bruce relationship would change and open untapped story potential. Diana would raise the child in her book with Bats being a supporting charater in her book. Plus with him guesting sales would rise on WWs book.

  • July 1, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    A few reasons why I stopped Collecting

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Death of Superman <p> Image Comics and they're multiple foiled covers for the same issues bullshit <p> The Joker Killing Robin based on people who called in. <p> Wolverine's Bone Claws <p> Spidey being a Clone <p> Death of Batman

  • July 1, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    mr tibbs

    by deelzbub

    agreed.<P> Clone BS is why I quit collecting Spider-man<P> getting roped into the multiple-foil cover BS is why I quit "collecting" and just cut back to only reading a select few titles for enjoyment. Sporadically at that.

  • July 1, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting to find out who reads this monthly?

    by Jaka

    And if you don't, why does it matter? Also, since nobody has read it yet, the premature negativity is really just starting to come across as regular ol' geek hate. Jus' sayin'.

  • July 1, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    mrtibbs, that kind of stuff, along with crossovers and...

    by Jaka

    ..."events", is a major reason why I never got heavily into superheros to begin with. Been proudly reading underground and independent comics since 1982. It wasn't until Sandman when I got into ANYTHING on a major. Since then I've been open to reading a lot more. But most of it is still on Vertigo, Dark Horse, Aspen, Bluewater, Zenescope, Oni, Fantagraphics, IDW and a bunch of even smaller publishers. There really is quite a bit of great stuff out there to read other than Marvel and DC superheros. I realize most people know this, too. Preachin' to the choir and all. But it still makes me a bit sad when I hear friends say they've quit collecting, or are planning to stop, because they don't like what the Marvel, DC and Image are doing with their superhero books.

  • July 2, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    That's not the American flag on her ass?

    by Tall_Boy66

    It's missing the stripes, true, but it's still the stars and blue and it's supposed to be the American flag, obviously. It's a symbol of American nationalism, which makes NO SENSE considering she's from fucking a greek goddess island, on her ass. Underwear on the outside is a convention of the superhero genre. Flag on ass is not. Basically, with the colour scheme, it's supposed to be skimpy American flag girl. And this girl is a warrior who can kick the crap out of anyone, and when she's in harsh environments she's wearing a freakin bathing suit. You can at least believe that Bats has thermals or something. Hers is just re-donk-u-lus.

  • July 2, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    'scuse me if an American flag doesn't give me a hard on

    by Tall_Boy66

    It looks like nationalism shoehorned into a character design. On her butt. Silly shit.

  • July 2, 2010, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Equally as ugly as the costume redesign

    by Dingbatty

    he and Coipel did for Thor. When was the last time a woman wore a tiny half-jacket?<p>Anyhow, the ancient Hellenes painted their architecture and statuary in vivid colors (mostly blue, red, and yellow), and dyed their clothing (chiton), so her color scheme isn't arbitrary.

  • July 2, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Yeah, nationalism "shoehorned" on a character

    by Continentalop

    "It's a symbol of American nationalism, which makes NO SENSE considering she's from fucking a greek goddess island, on her ass." <P> Yeah, I mean the fact she was made in WORLD WAR TWO probably has no basis for that, or that they made the costume to let the US know she was fighting on THEIR SIDE. <P> You can say that doesn't make a lot of sense nowadays, and I would agree to a point, which is why I keep insisting they make WW originally appear in WWII (she's friggin' immortal) or say her mom was the original WW in WWII and she is following her footsteps. <P> WWII is supposed to be a PATRIOTIC hero. That was her point. She is Rosie the Riveter. Even if she was born on a Paradise Island to a bunch of Greek Amazons, she chose to live and fight for mankind and especially AMERICA because of how we treat our women compared to the rest of the world AND because the Amazons in their wisdom saw them as promising the best hopes of freedom and justice to mankind against Mars. And once again, it isn't a flag on her butt, but yes it is a costume that reminds us of the American flag (kind of like Cap's and Superman's - and is that a big red stripe on their cock?). <P> And yes she is wearing a "skimpy bathing suit", but considering the fact that the the Ancient Greek heroine Atlanta looked like this: <P> <P> And Artemis looked like this: <P> <P> And Amazon warriors and women looked like this (notice her breast is revealed): <P> <P> <P> And the Greeks competed in sports and the olympics, such as boxing and wrestling and Pankration like this: <P> <P> And here is the Greek Demi-God Heracles: <P> <P> Then Wonder Woman's costume doesn't seem so revealing, now does it? Especially when looking at her original costume: <P> <P> Yep, her costume is so much sillier than if they made her look like a "real" Amazon and Greek demi-god like from the old marble statues and vases.

  • July 2, 2010, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Agree with CO

    by Dingbatty

    And, along with the appropriate WWII era patriotism of her adopted home, as I stated before the vivid colors are accurate to ancient Hellenic culture (unless you consider the Amazon legend based on Scythian warrior women). Here is a Smithsonian article about the painting of ancient Greek statues and buildings:<p>

  • July 2, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Something more appropriate.

    by Briannicus

    Here we go, something that keeps the color scheme and the overall feeling of what an Amazon warrior might wear.

  • July 2, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Okay, JMS...

    by elgato73

    I read both first issues that JMS put out and I would say the Superman story is the most promising of the two. WW is just too been there, done that. And the reality/timeline being changed shit was supposed to be all done and over with after Final Crisis. She'll be back in her regular costume by the end of the year and the timeline restored. This shit sounds like JMS just wanted to retcon the fuck out of something on his own without being told by higher ups that they (hint Joe Quesada) were going to do it to him anyway.

  • July 2, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Props to you guys for ripping on JMS

    by leo54304

    His previous history on Spidey and Thor are being replayed again. Not understanding the character, stupid coostume changes (Although Thors look might have been forced as planning for the movie might have started when he came on the book). Trouble is he has too much freedom on his books. Wish editors would say "no" to him sometimes. He's just not a comic book writer. He has some moments doing individual scenes but not entire books much less storylines.

  • July 2, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Props to you guys for ripping on JMS

    by leo54304

    His previous history on Spidey and Thor are being replayed again. Not understanding the character, stupid coostume changes (Although Thors look might have been forced as planning for the movie might have started when he came on the book). Trouble is he has too much freedom on his books. Wish editors would say "no" to him sometimes. He's just not a comic book writer. He has some moments doing individual scenes but not entire books much less storylines.

  • July 2, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Um, Guys, Comics Aren't Realistic

    by LaserPants

    Even "realistic" takes on comics (like The Dark Knight) aren't really realistic, so all of these takes for a more realistic / functional costume are TOTALLY FUCKING RETARDED, make no sense, and have no business being discussed in the same breath as comics.

  • July 2, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    continentaltop is right. does JMS even know what an amazon is?

    by leo54304

    Really JMS this isnt Bab5 where you can do what you want with a character totally you have to respect and use her history. Shes an amazon from greek background so everything about her should be based on her that. Not some retro 90's look as others here have mentioned

  • July 2, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    JMS is repeating what he did on Spidey and Thor? So, taking books that are either selling very poorly or outright cancelled, and at the very least in the creative doldrums, and making huge successes and critically acclaimed books out of them? How dare he.

  • July 2, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    JMS on Thor was awesome

    by gooseud

    Its not like JMS doesnt have talent. The Thor reboot was fantastic. Supreme Power was amazing. Unfortunately, they both came out about once every 3 months and lasted about 12 issues before JMS flaked out and moved on. Having said that....both these reboots sound wretched. Its basically saying these characters are completely played out and you are out of ideas and have to start taking away fundamental parts of the character. Superman is voluntarily choosing not to fly. Wonder Woman is choosing a completely new costume. Its the literary equivalent of throwing up your hands and saying "I give up".

  • July 2, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    JMS run on Thor had some moments and good ideas

    by leo54304

    Bringing Asgard to earth and the Doom storyline were innovative and had some excellent moments. And he did save that title BUT I think reason Thor was revived by Marvel was that due to the unexpected mega success of the first IM movie, the higher ups decided to long range make an Avengers movie after making other avenger hero movies which had to include a Thor one. And to make a multi million dollar movie on a cancelled comic would be too high a financial risk for any movie studio so the Thor comic had to be continued. It also had to have the costume Thor would wear in the movie hence that hideous one he now wears. Crack pot conspiracy theory maybe but possible. As far as Spidey maybe it was a critical/commercial success but I know a lot of people who really hated it (Just read this message board for example). Then again for comic writers my faves are:Roger Stern, Jim Shooter, Millar, Peter David and some Geoffs work. So I guess JMS just hasnt thrilled me too much with his work. ALthough as I mentioned Thor has had some good ideas and moments on his watch.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Re: THOR

    by cookylamoo

    Like a television season, JMS took his time building the story over a year or so, and the payoff was pretty good. But on an issue by issue basis, it was kind of dull. Comics is not Television.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by Snookeroo

    Aargh! Too much education! Too much education! Stop it! Stop it now!

  • July 2, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Yeah, JMS' THOR Was "OK", Not Great

    by LaserPants

    I'm kinda confused by why he is such a big deal. What comics has he written that have been *really* good? Not just okay, but GREAT? I can't think of any. Never watched Babylon 5, and I totally agree, as cookylamoo says, that Comics Aren't Television... I'd up that to say that Comics Are Neither Television Nor Movies; they share similarities only in that they are both visual mediums. HIs Thor books were okay, they did read as if he were trying to write a tv script; parts of it worked, parts of it didn't.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Like "Kane" the wanderer...

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Kwai Chang Caine never co-created Batman or reinvented the Silver Age Green Lantern. Those were Bob Kane and Gil Kane. David Carradine never played a character named Kane. Google dammit.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Designed with the Wonder Woman movie in mind?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Have you seen the production designs on the Thor movie costume: Black boots and pants, dark bracelets and a leather jerkin over chain-mail shirt, scarlet cape and the mallet. Compare to the new Wonder Woman rig: Black or dark blue boots and pants, black leather jacket over a scarlet blouse, bracelets and the lasso. At least she has a tiara, we still haven't seen Thor's helmet yet. The new WW 2.0 definitely looks like what we'll probably get if they manage to get a movie made.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I actually thought "Crusade" was better than "Bab 5"

    by cookylamoo

    More dynamic premise, more interesting characters, especially Max. Too bad Sci-Fi never really gave it a chance, opting instead for push-up boobs in Space shows like Farscape and Lexx.

  • July 2, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    How to fix the new costume

    by VikkiMarsdale

    or at least dyke it up a little.<br /> Instead of the combination boot and leggings that look like little kid footy pyjamas, give her a full barrel engineer boot in stiff black leather with a golden ankle strap. <br /> Toss out that cocktail waitress skimpy bolero jacket and replace it with a full sized Marlon Brando in The Wild Ones black leather biker jacket with the sleeve zippers over the bracelets. And lose the shoulder stars except for a single star on the epaulet snap.<br /> The new bracelets work but add a large middle finger WW ring on each hand and wear then over fingerless black gloves. <br /> I have mixed feelings about anyone wearing a tiara, but she is Wonder Woman. And the current illustration at wikipedia does whow that the lower points of the forehead star do now form a subliminal W, like the A on Captain America's forehead. So that works.<br /> I'd change the W on her bodice back to the Jenette Kahn designed double-W trademark logo. <br /> What I do like: the new belt adds back the American Eagle that she used to have covering her breasts. <br /> What I haven't seen yet: Haven't seen her with the jacket off, but I hope that blouse has actual sleeves, long, short or capped, and it's not just a stupid spaghetti-strap halter. <br /> <br /> On second thought, maybe a black leather Wonder Woman is too derivative of the Paul Smith mohawk Storm from X-Men. Oh well, if you're going to swipe, steal from the best.

  • July 2, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    This new Wonder Woman sucks!!!!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    seriously, I love JMS' work, but this whole premise is crap, and so is the costume. I think the best version I've seen of Wonder Woman's costume was the one in "New Frontier". It had a greco-roman practicality to it.

  • July 2, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah, The Whole "Gritty," "Street" WW Is Retarded

    by LaserPants

    She's not Batman, she's Wonder Woman; a Goddess from an island of Amazons.

  • July 2, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    It doesn't make sense handing the reins to

    by Dingbatty

    JMS, considering how much artist Ben Caldwell appreciates and respects the character. Go look at his blog Purge Theory to see all of his WW art (it's worth it going through the older posts):<p><p>Further down on this page he explains his historical take on the designs of the Amazons, likening them to Sarmatians or Scythians:<p><p>An interview with CBR about his WW strip for Wednesday Comics:<p>

  • July 2, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    In the lead up to this new WW, the story by Geoff Johns shows a young Diana on Themyscira wondering about life in the outside world and whether it is corrupt. It is young Diana who leads Wonder Woman to this odyssey. Within the context of the story the new costume works, it's not about Diana's Amazon heritage, it's about her lack of it, because she doesn't know about it and has to re-discover it. It does seem very much planned as an exploration and a shaking up of things, and it's also aware of the impact. One of the lines by Geoff Johns in the lead-in story is- "Diana is far too undervalued by the world. This must change" and then it goes into JMS's new story. It's deliberately breaking WW down and building her up again, with a plan to make her more relevant. So far it seems to be working even through the negative reaction because people are questioning what it is they know and like about WW. DC seemed to know it would get this reaction.

  • July 2, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Thanks Brains, lots of good stuff you covered

    by leo54304

  • July 2, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    hey no problem leo54304

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I'm a two face because I was bitching about the new costume when it was first released too. But I calmed down after I read the anniversary comic. Wonder Woman in her original garb is still within those pages, she hasn't gone away. But the book ends with the JMS story and I'm actually interested to keep reading it. Superman's 'Grounded' too, because it is bringing them back to their origins in a way. Not as a retelling but looking at it from a new angle.

  • July 2, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Pants, pants, sing the praises of pants!

    by letsfightinglove

    They help me suck in my gut They always cover up my butt! Huh? Pants!

  • July 2, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Designed w/ A Movie for the INTERNATIONAL Mkt In Mind

    by LaserPants

    Clearly they want to cover up the American flag elements if they're going to sell Wonder Woman in, well, ANYWHERE that's not the US. <br><br>And on that tip, that CAPTAIN AMERICA movie is going to BOMB overseas. It'll do fine in the states, though. Remember, only Americans think the US are the good guys. Everyone else is either terrified of us, disgusted by us, or both.

  • July 2, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Disagree Laserpants

    by leo54304

    One of Americas biggest export is our culture (McDs,coke,jeans). Just go to europe,asia, middle east and you'll see those things. Same with TV shows and movies. If they hate anything about us is it might our foreign policies. And with Bush gone our approval rating is way up. Not a political statement. Just a fact from what I've seen.

  • July 2, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Cultural exports also helped win the cold war

    by leo54304

    Even during the cold war, rock'n'roll music was always in demand. Same with jeans, comics and other youth orientated products. The youth started getting a taste of what the west had to offer and over the decades more and more of that stuff started getting thru eventually the govts starting having to allow it because demand was so high-also helped that the elites kids wanted that stuff.

  • July 2, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    True, but those products aren't emblazoned with the American flag which is the symbol of US foreign policy.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    NO, not exports, It was Ronald Reagan.

    by cookylamoo

    He fixed the whole world and made it perfect. Ask any Republican.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    good point laser pants I see your point but..

    by leo54304

    I still think the world has a better view of us than yours. We'' have to see if anyone important with the movie address the lack of american themes on cap's outfit and also how it plays overseas.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I don't know LaserPants

    by Continentalop

    Rambo and First Blood were huge hits over sees, and he is fighting for the Red, White & Blue, as was the boys in Saving Private Ryan and Independence Day - both huge hits oversees. And Coca Cola & McDonalds is just as much as America as the flag. <P>

  • July 2, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Nice sarcasm cookylamoo. I owe you a beer.

    by leo54304

  • July 2, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    And I'm not saying that People in the World love us

    by Continentalop

    But there has always been this weird relationship were they lambast American policy, yet look at the US as being an example (one they usually judge us not living up too). I remember hearing in an interview someone saying how they always wished America lived up to the ideals they present themselves having. <P> Which is why Cap might work. He is coming from an era when America did do a lot of good - WWII - and entering an era where we have lost it's way. A lot of people in the US might not like it, but Cap could work as a clever criticism of modern America and how it lost touch with it's core beliefs, and a lot of people over sees would love that.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Okay, first off

    by kungfuhustler84

    I like the Stan Lee design as much as the next guy, butThe Thor re-design had to happen, and it looks amazing. Cap and Iron Man have redesigns too so stop complaining.<p>Second,besides the animated movie, I have yet to see a Wonder Woman story I really liked, so I am ready to believe JMS is going to bring on the fun. And if he's not joking about the crossover with Superman, I will definitely be checking that out too.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    In caps movie would like to see a scene like

    by leo54304

    the opening of Private Ryan or one of the combat scenes from the movie. Read Secret Warriors #17 or Secret Warriors TB each has Cap talking to the Howling Commandoes giving one of his speeches that makes you want to make a difference in the world. Will we get in the movie? Probally nt but giving the "speech" is one of Caps greatest strengths and if they overlook it, well its a damn shame.

  • July 2, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    kungfuhustler84 try WWs TB Paradise Lost and

    by leo54304

    regarding Thors outfit, I'm ok with an update but this one ehhh. I liked the one where he had the broken body and was in Hel. He grew a beard because Hela took off half his face. It was during Simonsons run. That was the outfit of a viking warrior

  • July 2, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Thor's new costume looks like mirrorball

    by Dingbatty

    long johns. A God doesn't need armor.

  • July 2, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Dingbatty, I slightly disagree

    by Continentalop

    About a god needing armor. I can see a god wearing armor made by another god, but ONLY if he is fighting another f'ing God or divine being. <P> Thor wearing armor against Surtur I can see; Thor wearing armor against Radioactive Man or Grey Gargoyle makes no effing sense. Might as well give the Hulk a gun (oh wait, they did that once).

  • July 2, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    revamping wonder woman...

    by sonnyhooper

    ... with a costume like that, is kind of like revamping western films by having the cowboys dress up in outfits from "the matrix". if you wouldn't put sunglesses and hair gel on wyatt earp why would you put pants and a jacket on wonder woman? <p> if anything wonder woman needs to embrace here ancient greek background, instead of running away from it. a bit more GOD OF WAR, and less SEX IN THE CITY. if you know what i mean.

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  • July 3, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    A new record!

    by tensticks

    As always whenever JMS and/or B5 is mentioned, I come on here to see how many posts before something negative, hateful or derogatory is posted. In this case, it was post #3 about Babylon 5 being a big pile of shit. I'm sure there have been higher flames, but that's the earliest one I've seen. Kudos. JMS laughs at you.

  • July 3, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Forget what Sheldon says about Babylon 5

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I don't see the costume change's main goal being to get rid of the patriotism. It's just less explicit because her mission is different than in the WWII era. Here she is actually growing up in America, so she is actually more American and less of an outsider. And JMS is doing something similar with Superman, making him less of a distant figure and making him meet the people of America. They're always accused of being too perfect and unrelatable. JMS looks to be trying to make them more human, by placing them in the modern world with the rest of the humans.

  • July 3, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Superman has already embraced humanity

    by leo54304

    He's got a wife, parents who he's close to. Loves his job and co-workers, has a pet dog. This guy is living the american dream already. I remeber someone writing that when Bruce Waynes parents died, Bruce gave up his feeling s of family to do what he had to do. Clark on the other hand embraced humanity after his parents died. This concept already has been in use for years. For Diana maybe a roadtrip thru America would work but for Clark, no.

  • July 3, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by kungfuhustler84

    How is Thor supposed to know when he gets out of bed for a day of battle who he's supposed to be fighting? The Marvel universe is a crazy place where supervillains return to life more powerful than ever and even the lowliest of schemers can create a god-challenging battle suit. I don't like Thor's armor because it's "helpful" in an especially heated battle. I like it because it looks cool, cooler than his old costume, and it kept the wings on the helmet.<p>Oh those glorious helmet wings...

  • July 3, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    This will last about 6 months...

    by GeneralKael

    ...her look has changed before - there was a time when she wasn't officially Wonder Woman and she dressed differently - and then there was the late 60s look(which this somehow sadly reminds me of) where she didn't look like much of a hero at all. This is just a publicity stunt so it gets on CNN, etc. Same thing they did when Superman turned blue - she will be back to normal in about 6 months(or until a movie comes out about her, at which point they will have to revert to the classic costume to ride the bandwagon). This is just to sell more books.

  • July 3, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    kungfuhustler, two points:

    by Continentalop

    1) He doesn't know when he gets out of bed, but many times in comic books there is the big event or fight that everyone sees coming. When Surtur, Ymir or Thano's armies are approaching Midgard with death and destruction on their minds, you usually have time to prepare because in those stories their is a lot of foreshadowing and usually a herald or harbinger of the doom coming. In those cases, I could see Thor donning his armor. <P> Why? Well, not just because it is going to be a tough fight, but because comic books are a visual medium and nothing says Thor is being fucking serious than when you see him wearing his guantlets, his girdle and dressed in dwarf-made uru armor. One glance of a splash page of Thor in that and we all know "Thor isn't fucking around!" <p> 2) You might like the armor, but personally, I agree with Dingbatty. This isn't a Conan story or supposed to be 100% real or historically accurate. It is supposed to be a super-hero comic, and the armor makes him look less super IMO. It makes him look more mundane, the opposite you want. I mean, he can lift 100+ tons and has a hammer that lets him fly, shoot lightning bolts and returns to him when thrown, do we really need to make him more realistic and make him look more like an actual Viking?

  • July 3, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Realism and historical accuracy

    by kungfuhustler84

    I'm not looking for that in my superhero books either.<p>Really, it's just an aesthetic difference, so there's bound to be some variation of opinion. I agree with Thor putting on more armor for a big fight though. So I guess the new costume was at least appropriate for Siege. Maybe it prevented him from getting ripped in half by the Sentry, with mystic dwarf magicks or something.

  • July 3, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    I see what you're saying. But it can be about more than just living in Metropolis as a family man. I'm interested in JMS's plans for Superman, if it's more working class people's problems, and he really does tackle some serious issues. I remember in the novel "It's Superman" Clark (before becoming "Superman") travels across America and he witnesses racist violence, gets involved, kind of loses control with his powers and questions how involved he should be. And he sees all the different people working on the farms etc. as he heads towards New York. If there's similar stuff in there with JMS's Superman then it could be interesting.

  • July 4, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    I see your point about Clark going cross country

    by leo54304

    as a way of getting outside your normal "comfort zone". I mean haven't we all wanted at one time or another wanted to get out and see the America or the world? Maybe CLark just is getting that itch. If so, then I'd have no porblem with a year long story like that and ending it with CLakr being happy to be back home in Metropolis. I remember the TB Superman "Birthright" where Clark did the same thing after high school where he took a year off to travel the world as Clark Kent. So I'd say Clark is overdue to do something like that. PS please buy "Birthright" its written by Mark Waid is incredible.

  • July 4, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Yes Birthright does a similar thing

    by Rommel Catuncan

  • July 5, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by TDavis

    Well, who's to say that JMS won't just find himself a little too "busy" and drop the storylines in mid-denouement? Anybody remember "The Twelve"? What a cockroach!

  • July 5, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I remember The Twelve

    by kungfuhustler84

    I would rather JMS finish that before reading any of this other crap, to be completely honest.

  • July 5, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Chris CLaremont/John Byrne at one time were doing

    by leo54304

    X-Men, Marvel Team Up and Iron Fist at the same time. Those were the days! But now with outsiders like JMS getting them to commit to even one or two books for a guaranteed amount of time isnt going to happen. Back in the 70-80s when I was really buying everything writers/artists basically stayed on a book for years at a time unless they got into a dispute with management. Example:Jim Mooney was doing Amazing Spiderman and SPectacular Spiderman at the same time for years. Joe Sinnott was the FFs inker going to the 100's. Peter David did the Hulk for 10 years. Guess the comic industry in that respect has changed.

  • July 6, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Ok, I'm late but not a hater.

    by Homer Sexual

    Been away, but I have read Wonder Woman for quite some time. Rucka was my #1 favorite writer. I thought the Byrne and Perez era was overrated, and Heinberg's brief time wasn't good at all. <p> I don't think Simone got off to a good start, I almost dropped it myself with the moronic "Genocide" storyline, but she ended her run with a bang. The climactic issue of her last storyline was very brutal without sacrificing Diana's nobility, which is how she works best. <p> I haven't seen the new costume, so no opinion. I generally love JMS, but I don't think WW is his cup of tea. He does well with Power Princess, but that take won't work on the "real" WW.

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