June 29, 2010, 9 a.m. CST
...I'm not sure what the reasoning is for the sketchy artwork, but there isn't a good one. It looks sloppy.
June 29, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST
It feels looser and more organic. Seems to fit well with Flash's power-set too. Imho.
June 29, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
is a good one. push the boundaries, people.
June 29, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST
F*ckin' A! Totally agree. That's what is going to make this medium survive and thrive -- pushing the boundaries. Bringing the arty and intellectual elements to bear on the inherit pop-art action tropes. Upend the adolescent power-fantasy and make it art.
June 29, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
I'm no expert on comic book art, but his work on Adventure Comics was mind-bogglingly cool, and The Flash looks even better.
June 29, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST
thanks to manapul for a great representation of barry
June 29, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST
in teen titans and in his long run as flash and of course appreciated wallys involvement in the jla but he was always just keepin the seat warm for barry in my book.
June 29, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST
by Dave I
Barry died. I know, they had that loophole so they could bring him back. That is one aspect I HATE about comics. Sure, the occasional exception since these are super-humans with supernatural powers and extraordinary circumstances, I'll except like the one-in-a-million escape from death's door or a resurrected spirit like Deadman. But when they start going all Jesus-and-Lazarus and bringing people back from the dead that have been dead for like a quarter a century or just ignoring the basic laws of physics and nature? I'll pass. I can suspend disbelief for a lot of stuff, but if you are going to kill somebody off, generally speaking they are dead. The end. Strangely, I can suspend disbelief and accept Superman flying, or Spider-man sticking to walls, or Batman somehow being able to have enough momentum to swing from the top of one skyscraper (from what that's actually tall enough for him to use? beats me) to the top of another, or writer-to-writer discrepancies over how strong Hulk is or the alleged indestructibility of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton contrasted with Hulk snapping him in two like a twig. I can accept that. I CANNOT accept that death can be conquered so easily. EVER. If they "die" really make them die. Otherwise, what are the consequences? If you say they die, don't make it some elaborate ruse where some impossible ray gun is used where a .45ACP would do the job for like the couple of bucks it would cost to fill a clip. <p><p>So no, Wally was NOT just keeping the seat warm for Barry. Barry DIED (didn't they depict his spirit in Heaven?) and Wally was The Flash for longer than a lot of comic book readers have been alive. I like comics, but this kind of stuff is why I do not read them nearly as much as I would like. They are afraid of change and consequence. Barry dies and goes to Heaven, but wait! 25 years later, he's back! Captain America dies! But wait! Because they used some time-travel gun, instead of, you know, just shooting him in the head with a M1911 standard-issue pistol, he somehow came back in time and ends up alive in his body and is back! Bruce Wayne died. But wait!!!! HE'S time-traveling because, apparently, in a strange twist Darkseid's Omega Sanction does not actually kill people! DUN DUN DUN! So he's time traveling and will come back later this year. Probably. Jason Todd died, and was resurrected. <p><p>This is turning into a huge rant but it is a HUGE problem! Have some consequences for actions, and stick with them! If Spider-Man gets married, deal with it or think it through before you do it and DON'T MARRY HIM! Don't have The Devil make people forget he got married. Brother! And if people DIE, let them stay dead! That is the final consequence! Heck, if death can be brushed off, or retconned, comics lose a lot of gravity. I mean Gwen Stacy died; only to come back as a clone from what I remember, but the ACTUAL Gwen Stacy stayed dead. Do we find some way to bring her back? If you can erase death, why can't some smart superhero use that to take away any consequence or risk of failure by figuring out how to do it anytime they fail. Oops, that lady got hit by a bus? Well, let's pull a Jason Todd on her or have The Flash or his seat-warmer go back in time to five seconds earlier than she died (even if it happened like 50 years ago) and save her. <p><p>I realize these are funny books, but there still has to be consequence and rules. Death should mean something, even in comics and kids' books. <p><p>-Cheers
June 29, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST
Has this artist ever run a step in his life? Flash looks like he's taking a dump more than runnig at super-speed. <p> Sloppy as fuck!
June 29, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
DC Comics have tried to address this problem with "Blackest Night" - basically the end result of that series is that "dead is dead" now, but I guess we'll have to see how long that lasts. At least they tried to solve the problem - comic book deaths have become one big joke. <p>When they killed off Barry Allen, at least the intention there (as I understand it, even with the loophole) was that he'd stay dead. But when Marvel killed off Captain America a couple of years ago, it's obvious that they never had any intention of keeping him that way. It cheapens everything. If I was a superhero and my buddy died, I wouldn't even bother going to his funeral - as I'd know he'd be right back in the land of the living in a year or so.
June 29, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
The problem with the 'dead is dead' concept is that, ultimately, audiences grow up and the pieces aren't written solely by one writer. <p> In a Watchmen or a Y: The Last Man, it's easy for death to be permanent because they're self-contained and written by one specific mind. Expecting Marvel and DC to sticky rigidly to 'dead is dead' is asking a bit much, because these comics will - invariably - still be around in a hundred years. </p> <p> And the next generation (hopefully me), will come in and may very well go 'why not bring Karen Page back and see what effect that has.' Now it could be that the retcon sucks, but at the same time I think the fact that these characters don't have a finite end point means you have to switch up every now and again. Especially given how many great Silver Age characters there are that could lead a book, but were killed off for trite reasons.
June 29, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Dave I
I'd agree. When your friend or loved one can die and then just be brought back, it totally cheapens everything. If they write something in like the Lazarus Pit, o.k., sure. It's a rare exception given a kind of organic sort of origin, there are limitations, and it is not perfect. But you have people popping back to life all over, and it's not like they dump the still-warm corpses into Lazarus Pits and have to deal with the side-effects and limitations. Some of these just approach lunacy. <p><p>I will take the death of ANY character and the consequences over some cheap plot device of someone dying, then presto-chango, they're back! This is one of those things that, for me, is just beyond my ability to overlook. I mean, if you could literally bring somebody back to life, or somehow time-travel, people would be building churches to you and starting religions about you. Superman and Ra's al Ghul and Barry Allen would have devout followers. They would not just be super heroes they would inspire new types of faith movements and attract followers asking how to be healed or for their sick or recently dead to be resurrected or for them to go back in time and fix things or prevent disasters. Contrast that with the finality of the death of Morpheus/Dream in Neil Gaiman's Sandman. That was a LOT more touching than if they had a quest and brought him back good as new. <p><p> I just think, for me, the shrugging off of death is something I will never be able to stomach. Unless it is a comic about Jesus, people should not be just coming back from the dead. <p><p>-Cheers
June 29, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST
by Dave I
The problem with that is that what's the point? If Karen Page dies, or Uncle Ben dies, or Betty Ross dies, the characters deal with it. If my wife dies, or I lose my best friend, or when my father goes, I do not get to have any of them back because I live the next 50 or 60 years. It creates a HUGE disconnect. And if you have to resort to that, then maybe the characters shouldn't be forever. It will never happen, but what IF Bruce Wayne actually dies and they give the mantle to Dick for real, and Bruce Wayne is referenced, becomes a legend, and maybe told in flash-back episodes? Same with Hulk; you have Skaar now, and perhaps something happens that leads to a new Hulk from some experiment and the next generations can have their own Hulk that's post-Bruce Banner. Or maybe they just keep the characters ages ambivalent but make them deal with the character choices and grow from them, not retcon everything or bring back the old. It gets boring when they just take EVERY big moment in a series and just more or less say "just kidding" and change it. <p><p>So for me, this either means that I hold comics accountable to things like some semblance of reality at least in terms of big-picture things (like death or dues ex machinas), or I am very selective about what I read knowing that stuff like that will annoy me and rely more on mini-series and novels or things that are finite, or at least plan out characters actions and think things through before acting and then actually let things have some long-lasting consequence. I know I am a stickler for this, but sometimes this stuff ends up either static (as NOTHING ever changes, which is boring) or makes everything meaningless (if I can disregard death, or any big decision in a comic knowing it will eventually change what's the point), then why do I care? It becomes boring. And that is kind of what has happened. I am more inclined to read graphic novels or things that are either finite, or independent enough to let run their course a/o keep building on the past. Like The Watchmen, Sandman, I Kill Giants, Tommysaurus Rex, or even Calvin & Hobbes! Maybe the fact these things are going to be written to last forever makes serial comics at least of DC, Marvel, and anything successful enough to keep them from making definitive choices or changes with characters just not for me. I LOVE the medium, but that mentality just destroys a lot of comics for me. However, all I am really asking for is that if somebody dies, do not resurrect them, and if somebody makes a life decision that you decide to change, don't have have Mephisto wash it all away. Adhere to those two rules and I can probably deal with almost anything else they throw at me. And that includes either making big changes and letting characters have their arcs being stuck in their own time and be replaced or by just making them timeless but continuously growing from the events in their loves. <p><p>-Cheers
June 29, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST
Thank you for this interview and for recognizing amazing talent and humble, hard-working people. This is why I frequent AICN.
June 29, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST
The guy has been killing it on ADVENTURE COMICS and now THE FLASH. And FLASH #3 is out tomorrow!
June 29, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST
...and when Pop took over art chores on the Flash, the fanboy world went nuclear. Mr. Mhan didn't last long. So now it's ironic that 10 years later a similar artist is on the Flash and nary a peep.
June 29, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST
..."But you have people popping back to life all over, and it's not like they dump the still-warm corpses into Lazarus Pits..." Aw man, you just gave me an idea of a killer comics story!
June 29, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST
Good points. I just don't think they work within the current creative mindset of ongoing comic-books ala Marvel/DC.
June 29, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST
by Dave I
I will also admit, it's more my problem than anything else. However, it feels like they think we are too stupid to get it if they DON'T reset/recon/resurrect things, events, or people. I just kind of wish they'd sort of arc a character's life (very loosely) and just play with the middle. As it stands now, they're locked in this kind of never-ending purgatory. <p><p>Still, maybe it would just get too stale for them at Marvel/DC/etc. in the long run. I DO think we could as an audience deal with it though, but I could also be in the slim minority that believes that and would buy into that kind of storytelling, much less actually wants it. <p><p>-Cheers
June 29, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST
...or at least DC Comics, anyway. Seems there's a vast conspiracy by a cabal of villains who go around body snatching various dead people and surreptitiously dumping them into Ras Al Ghul's Lazarus Pits, thereby resurrecting them so they can be used to manipulate various heroes towards the notorious ends of the cabal of mystery villains. It's a long con, it's been going on for years but now, Ras himself discovers the plot and is killed (well, again). Our heroes, led of course by master detective Batman, must find Ras' body and a Lazarus Pit to resurrect him one more time (despite the dangers) to obtain vital information they need to uncover the plotters and the true nature of their schemes. Heroes will live, heroes will die, heroes will live and die again and the DC Universe will never be the same... again!
June 29, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST
(23 years to be exact).<p>Speaking of reset, have you seen the new Wonder Woman costume? The 90's called and want their gimmick back. Diana looks like she borrowed Black Canary's costume.<p>JMS has depowered her and copied Spiderman's One More Day and Brand New Day storyline. He needs to stop hanging out with Joe Quesada.
June 30, 2010, 3:26 a.m. CST
For deaths to be concrete, you'd have to have full co-operation with the creator of those characters. Frank Miller, for example, likely considers Elektra to be 100% dead. When Kevin Smith wrote his DD stuff, he stuck to that. And everyone else ignored it. It's like... personally, I wouldn't bring back Gwen Stacy if I wrote Spider-Man. But I'd probably bring back an old JSA character to give them a renewed shot at iconic status.
June 30, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST
a change of directrion and have brough in JSM of babylon 5 to write her new stories.
June 30, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
by Dave I
I thought DC/Marvel/etc. generally owned the property once they (presumably bought and) published the characters. I thought once the property was owned by them they could generally do whatever they wanted with them, AND eventually the creator would die so eventually that would not be an option if they waited long enough. <p><p>Maybe I'm being a cynic, but I am thinking that for a death to be concrete the publishing company (again, Marvel, DC, or whomever) would have to see it as just not being profitable to bring them back. <p><p>Gwen Stacy & old JSA characters . . . Bringing back Gwen Stacy, for real, would be a mistake. That as much as Uncle Ben's death helped shape who Spider-Man was. However, given recent (HUGE MISTAKE type) decisions, I would honestly not be surprised if they did bring back one or both to make some controversial money-making run. They would probably retcon it at some point or explain it away as clones or the Chameleon or some Spider-Spirit afterlife cross-over or dream/hallucination or something so they could return to status quo. I'd hate it, it might get lambasted, but it would probably sell comics, much as I hate to admit it. <p><p>Bringing back old JSA characters and such . . . If they character was killed, I generally say keep them dead. However, I DO think it would be potentially cool to have the character inspire somebody else to take up the mantle. Create a good origin/backstory, interject the guy/gal that looks or acts like the dead character, then sort of slowly reveal him as the new _________ that had some connection or was inspired by the old _________ or whatever. <p><p>And sure, there could be exceptions. There will be anyway. However, Barry was dead for like 23 years. Wally seems pretty accepted and kind of beloved in some circles. I'd rather Barry was left dead but still a legend, and if they want something new & fresh, well, write something! Although, to be honest the Barry Allen loophole not-really-dead thing is not nearly as annoying to me as some other comic decisions I've mentioned (at least they had the foresight to write it like that and eventually Barry will have to complete his "death run" or something), but does still kind of annoy me and seems unnecessary since THERE'S ALREADY A FLASH!!!!! Who's been there for like 23 years. But again, that's one of my recurring gripes with comics, the lack of consequence and meaningful change (e.g. Kirby's plan to kill Darkseid at the end of New Gods and DC's refusal to let him write the story he intended), and why I am pretty selective about which comics I buy and read. THAT is the kind of stuff that really kills a lot of comics for me. <p><p>-Cheers
July 2, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST
Hello! The burning hot summer arrived, this is the demonstration stature good season, the retreat winter sincere appearance, lets lithe, the individuality, the fashion, the sex appeal, mature you start from here! Has a good news to tell everybody: Recently, every bought full 200 US dollars in this company, then has the present to see off, Vietnam which buys delivers are more, please do not miss this good opportunity!!! welcome to :====== http://www.jordanto.com/ ==== free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal