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Learn Who Syfy Wants To Lead Its Superhero Team On ALPHAS!!
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Syfy is talking to David Strathairn (“The Bourne Ultimatum,” “Good Night And Good Luck”) about playing the leader of its superpowered team in its pilot for “Alphas.” Deadline Hollywood describes the role:
Strathairn would play the overseer/team leader/prescribing doctor and all around mother hen to the team: an eccentric, absent-minded professor at times, who is also a cunning and manipulative power-player willing to bend the rules in pursuit of his objectives.
Let’s hope they put him in a wheelchair, like the Doom Patrol’s Chief and Professor X and Mr. Glass.
Jack Bender, the longtime “Lost” executive producer who also served as the series’ first-string director, has signed aboard to direct and produce “Alphas,” whose pilot was scripted by Zak Penn (“Elektra,” “Fantastic Four,” “X-Men: The Last Stand,” “The Incredible Hulk”) and Michael Karnow (“House of Buggin’”).
The pilot follows a team of civilians who possess overdeveloped neurological abilities. A version drafted for ABC featured a hot girl who could bend people to her will, a “Rain Man”-type autistic savant, an ex-FBI agent who could use adrenaline to give himself super-strength, and a woman who could destroy stuff with her voice.
The same story indicates Ryan Cartwright (“Bones”) is aboard to play the savant.
Find all of Deadline’s story on the matter here.
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Woo!!
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Jun 28, 2010 1:12:52 PM CDT
“Elektra,” “Fantastic Four,” “X-Men: The Last Stand,” “The Incre
by palewook
pass.
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I have a bad feeling about anything on syfy that isn't a rerun of the twilight zone.
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I'm so there. Really.
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*cough* black bolt *cough
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Jack Bender is good. So is Zak Penn.
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How is this not just a bad sounding rip off of Harbinger the valiant comics book? Isn't it bad enough that heroes ripped that book off (as well as a ton of other books). One day someone will make the real harbinger movie/tv show and lo it will be great.
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Werent they supposed to be taking the movie 'push' to series, which was about people with paranormal abilities, but fairly based on ideas from supposed historical experiements like MKultra?
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got my hopes up...now am sad :(
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Why not just say you want Anthony Hopkins to lead your superhero team? Ed Harris, maybe, or Nicole Kidman. Talk is free. It would be great if they get a good actor like Strathairn, though. I hope the show has quality - Syfy is a little hit and miss in that department.
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The only connection this has to that is that I'm sure it will be filmed in Canada.
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"Jack Bender, the longtime “Lost” executive producer who also served as the series’ first-string director, has signed aboard to direct and produce “Alphas,” whose pilot was scripted by Zak Penn (“Elektra,” “Fantastic Four,” “X-Men: The Last Stand,” “The Incredible Hulk”) and Michael Karnow (“House of Buggin’”)." DO NOT WANT.
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Under the category "Worst Fucking Writer on the Planet."
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You could totally tell he was scared shitless that tony would find out and have him wacked for boning Carmella. He was also pretty good on an episode of house where he was a dying patient traped in a room with house
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So they're putting Chuck in this series.
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Writer: "I've got this unoriginal idea about superheroes with powers. I've only written the first line of dialogue on the first page but I'm sure if I just watch a marathon of X-men movies, I'll be able t--"
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Seriously: I think it would be preferable to have no writing credits than have “House of Buggin’” on your resume.
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Jun 28, 2010 2:26:15 PM CDT
So Superheroes are the new Doctors/Lawyers/Cops genre?
by bettercallsaul
Alphas, The Cape, No Ordinary Family.
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Only thing more tired than vampires right now. It is officially time for gill men and humanoids from the deep to come back.
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I'm not sure it's a superpower, doesn't that happen a million times a day?
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great. I was surprised afterwards to find that Penn wrote it because I hate his fucking guts. I assume it had more to do with Ed Norton doing uncredited rewrites.
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Or at least it sounds like him.
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She is cast in the new Vaughn X-Men: First Class project.
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In spite of its title, was actually really, really funny.
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It makes me happy to see any and every superhero movie getting made, even ones that seem like they might not end up very well. Because when I was a kid, they were SO scarce. I remember, "The Rocketeer", "The Phantom", and "The Shadow" and that was about it for the late eighties/early nineties...well, there was, "Supergirl". It was rotten, but it's all we had, haha! So to now have Oscar caliber stuff AND fluff is like heaven to me. I'll watch them all.
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I meant that Supergirl was crummy, not The Rocketeer. The Shadow is fun for camp value alone, but I never could get with The Phantom.
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And today's Dose Of Truth comes from Magnus Greel. Excellent post, friend...
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Maybe this flick won't suck total arse.
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we're a peaceful planet with villagers living in huts!
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But it was shot beautifully. The same guy was DP on Jedi and a few Bond films if I remember, classic ones.
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...suck enough? Can you imagine how bad it's gonna be with Siffy in charge of the same concept? Prediction: By episode 4, they have a Mansquito crossover.
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... but ah... Helen Slater... I still love Helen Slater!
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all the powers are cheap and require no special effects minus ripple effects for the screaming bitch (thats her name, jettl told me)...
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turns out she was a super hero. How 'bout that.
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...or fail.
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Jun 28, 2010 3:46:30 PM CDT
Apparently you must go on your knees to get a show made Syfy
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Because it sure ain't talent!
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fran drescher.
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is called a 23 year old model. If she's Russian she's called a "Natasha"
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because that was the kind of character that made Heroes such a great show.
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Sorry about the double post. But seriously, that sounds retarded. The rest of it sounded fine. I'll watch for the first few episodes, hopefully this voice thing is pulled off well, otherwise it sounds dumb.
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just sayin'
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I can't see how they greenlight this until they add a former Stargate cast memeber.
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and yet we can't get new Farscape? Criminal.
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I think you meant ann coulter
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Oh for fuck's sake, they're not even trying anymore.
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Will the extras come from the nearest mall?
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how can you survive her face long enough to hear her talk?
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TV in the break room was on. I didn't look at it, but the sound coming from it sounded like the screams of a thousand horses being raped with nail infused baseball bats that had been covered in salt. It was most unpleasant.
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syfy got nothing else
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I'd say that Eureka has been on the ropes enough times that if any show were to get the axe it would be that one. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the big reason why we even got a season 3 (or was it 4, I can't remember) was the Degree promo spots they did.
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Just wanted to join in. It's just getting interesting, so my hopes are low. Typically, if a show gets mildly interesting and it's sci-fi, no matter where it airs, it's doomed.
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The fact Jack Bender is heading this show gives me hope. He's managed to throw together some compelling, often emotional curveballs in the past, so I trust his instincts.
Plus, David Strathairn? Are you kidding? He's a great actor and an excellent choice to head the team. I still remember him from "LA Confidential," where he gave an incredible performance as the sleazeball Hollywood pimp who gets his in the end.
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That is all.
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There is so many great stories in Vertigo etc, this stuff should be getting produced by quality people like Jack Bender.
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Like so many others I was laughing when reading Zak Penn's filmography, not really something to be all the proud of. But to his credit, he still manages to get work after producing that crap.
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Huh SyFy? How about it? It still boggles my mind they didn't pick this up when Fox dropped the ball.
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That guy kinda sucks. Wait, not kinda. Does.
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so, "a woman", then.
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/Seinfeld
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Yet another (do they never end?) re-tread of X-men/Heroes. I want to see some robot ass-kicking action with a guy in a skirt!
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I'd love to see a superhero series - one that doesn't suck - or just a great movie, where they get Lance to play either the Professor X or Magneto character. With quality writing and real characterization, in a premise where they take the world and the mythos seriously, he'd be seriously badass in either role.
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here we'll stay!
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because we delayed.
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I'm sorry, Vay-ades.
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talk to you pedal-pals later!
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I'm rhyming all day!
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I can't guarantee that I'll be contributing much, but at the moment work has allowed me a few free minutes to fuck around.
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And in a drunken conversation about how I-had-stayed-up-worrying-about-her-turned argument (because she decided to take it to that level for some reason), she told me she wants me to move out.
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we're here if ya need to talk about it or just get your mind off of it.
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didn't make the cut, but I enjoyed the inaugural PANTHEON experience.
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I'm glad we pulled it off
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been together?
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give us the next three nominees!!!!
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I love the Pantheon page. It makes them look like they are in a hall of fame. Very nice!
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But we've known each other since we were 12. We were a summer boyfriend/girlfriend back when we were 14. I told her I thought it was a bad idea to move in together.
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help D.Vader. We've only had what you've told us a few times throughout the Pedalback. It seems like she is very career oriented and it keeps her busy and away from home a lot. That would be hard for any kind of relationship to thrive. But then you can't really talk about your relationship when she's drunk, because she wouldn't be in her right mind. Is she defensive (about you being worried about her) when she's not been drinking?
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I came home late from work and she wasn't home, which was odd since it was around 8:00. So I called her and she told me her boss attorney, the paralegal, and herself were at the Ritz Carlton because they were getting courted by another law firm who wanted the whole team. I thought and said that was great news. It means much better pay than where she is now. I had just gotten a text from a friend/sometimes co-worker on set who was out getting a beer, so I told her I'd just go ahead and run out and do that since she wasn't home. She tells me "I'll be home soon". I go out, have a few beers, come home at 11:00 and she's still not home. She's gotta be up at 6, 7 at the latest I think to get to work. So I'm worried. I call her. No answer. I leave a message and call back at midnight. I'm worried so I stay up and have a few more drinks. Bad idea yeah, but I was already buzzed and thought "why not complete the process?", so I played Guitar Hero. She finally walks in after 3 am and I tell her I was worried and that I called and left messages. She says she never checked her phone and sorry and all that. She crawls into bed and Im brushing my teeth. I guess I kept it going bc I think I said something like "I don't understand how you don't check your phone for 4 hours" and "Why say you'll see me at home soon when you're not going to come home for another 7 hours?" I tell her I was worried about her too, but somehow it turned into an argument on her part and how she wants me out of her by the end of the month. We'd been having problems since March after an argument, but I've been making big strides and real progress to get better about things around the house and in the relationship the past few months. I've been working real hard, but she hasn't done a thing. She'll come home and talk to me nonstop about her day and things going on like a couple, and she'll go on the occasional date with me when we're both free (its been rare lately) and we have great times together at her parent's house for a pool party depending on the occasion, but it turns out all that's a farce I guess bc she wants me out. I don't know.
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You'll have to discuss that with her when she's sober, calmly.
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When two people in a relationship move in together, it seems to me it's like a step above dating, and a step below engagement/marriage. My feeling is that since you are living together, and in a relationship, you have every right to be worried if your significant other isn't home. You've established yourselves as a couple living together, not roommates.
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Also, it's total BS her excuse that she didn't check her messages. She knew you would be calling her. She was blowing you off. Girl's are 24/7 with their phones. Especially, someone in law.
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D.Vader, my advice is to remain calm - like Subs says - but also to remain confident.
You want to stay together right? Nothing will quicken your break up more than if you get all mopey and dishevelled and down.
Make an extra effort with your appearance and your optimism, even if inside you're feeling worried. Remind her why she fell for you in the first place.
Also, when it comes to the crunch 'conversation' talk about the whole of your time together, DO NOT focus on the last couple of months - the big picture is that you love each other right? Stick to the big picture and hopefully you'll be together till you're both 90.
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yeah talk t her sober..people can say some weird and mean things when drunk off their ass.
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Click on the link. Leave the first box at 1 "set." Numbers per set should be 3. There are currently 117 Alfies, so enter the numbers 1 to 117 for the range. Leave the other choices alone. Hit the "Randomize Now" button.
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Did you move into a place together or into her place?
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but i found it..its pretty self explanatory...AND HERE WE...GO....
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are...BLADE RUNNER (THE DIRECTOR'S CUT)THE ROYAL TENEBAUMSSE7EN
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Interesting choices...thanks Sixes!
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I'm torn on SE7EN... anyone want to convince me of its greatness?
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Now, Sixies, write up a little bit on each of them. If you don't want to give your personal opinion, just grab stuff off Wiki or IMDB.
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Jul 01, 2010 9:45:11 AM CDT
id like to think that the liveblog mightve biased the induction
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a tad..and it was fun...these three are very livebloggable.
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or SE7EN. So this will be interesting.
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with the voice-over narration and the amber fields ending. Which version is that?
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Cobes, that is great advice, probably the best advice I've heard regarding a potential breakup. I'll follow it for sure. As for moving in, she'd wanted to do it for quite sometime. She was still living at home, as was I. A friend who owns a house moved an hour and a half away for school, so we moved into her house. After 3-4 months, my girlfriend decided she wanted to buy a house and bought one in the neighborhood. We moved into that house back in October. One of my reservations about moving in was that I was saving lots of money at home, money I've used in the past to buy an expensive computer and editing system and an expensive camera. I make like $12-$14,000 a year. But she really wanted to move in, I told her I couldn't really pay more than $350 a month. She agreed that was fine. Then once we move in, its suddenly not enough and she's passive-aggressive about it and makes comments about living with someone who doesn't pay his fair share, when that was the deal to begin with. She always talked about how she was more than willing to support me while I lived poor to try and make a name for myself in film and video. Anyway, I'm rambling again. Point of this post was this: Thanks for all the advice guys, and she and I moved in together, but now she owns the house.
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I will take it as my personal mission this month to convince us both of SEVEN's greatness or just-really-goodness.
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BLADE RUNNER:Blade Runner is a 1982 American science fiction film, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, and Sean Young. The screenplay, written by Hampton Fancher and David Peoples, is based loosely on the novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick. The film depicts a dystopian Los Angeles in November 2019 in which genetically engineered organic robots called replicants—visually indistinguishable from adult humans—are manufactured by the all-powerful Tyrell Corporation as well as other mega manufacturers around the world. Their use on Earth is banned, and replicants are exclusively used for dangerous, menial or leisure work on Earth's off-world colonies. Replicants who defy the ban and return to Earth are hunted down and "retired" by police special operatives known as "blade runners". The plot focuses on a brutal and cunning group of recently escaped replicants hiding in Los Angeles and the semi-retired blade runner, Rick Deckard, who reluctantly agrees to take on one more assignment to hunt them all down, while searching for his own identity.
Blade Runner initially polarized critics: some were displeased with the pacing, while others enjoyed its thematic complexity. The film performed poorly in North American theaters. Despite the box office failure of the film, it has since become a cult classic,[1] and is now widely regarded as one of the best movies ever made. Blade Runner has been hailed for its production design, depicting a "retrofitted" future.[2][3] It remains a leading example of the neo-noir genre.[4] Blade Runner brought the work of author Philip K. Dick to the attention of Hollywood, and several more films have since been based on his work.[5] Ridley Scott regards Blade Runner as "probably" his most complete and personal film.[6][7] In 1993, Blade Runner was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".
Seven versions of the film have been shown for various markets as a result of controversial changes made by film executives. A rushed director's cut was released in 1992 after a strong response to workprint screenings. This, in conjunction with its popularity as a video rental, made it one of the first films released on DVD, resulting in a basic disc with mediocre video and audio quality.[8] In 2007, Warner Bros. released in select theaters, and subsequently on DVD, HD DVD, and Blu-ray, the 25th anniversary digitally remastered definitive Final Cut by Scott.[9]
THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS:The Royal Tenenbaums is a 2001 American comedy-drama film directed by Wes Anderson about three gifted siblings who experience great success in youth, and even greater disappointment and failure after their eccentric father leaves them in their adolescent years. An ironic and absurdist sense of humor pervades the film.SE7EN:Seven (stylized as Se7en) is a 1995 American crime film directed by David Fincher and written by Andrew Kevin Walker. A financial and critical success, the movie's story follows a retiring detective (Morgan Freeman) and his replacement (Brad Pitt), jointly investigating a series of ritualistic murders inspired by the seven deadly sins. -
As Cobes said, you have to remain confident.She may be experiencing a flush of resentment about supporting you with her success. Welcome to equality, ladies. Realize, agreements change as perceived power shifts. Also remember, that's human nature.But, most importantly, you both have your own goals, and, since you're not married or raising children, one's cannot take precedence over the other's.Unfortunately, if she owns the house, be prepared to move out. And, part of remaining secure and confident, be prepared to stay out, even if your relationship evolves and continues.And, at all times, disregard anybody else's advice whenever it feels wrong to you.
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because legally, yeah it's her house. And it's even hard because your finances are split, and you put a portion into the expenses, and she does as well.
With my wife and I, when we got married, we merged everything. No separate accounts, no dividing expenses. When I was laid off for awhile, she was paying all the bills. Now that she's stay at home mom, it's my responsibility now to pay the bills.
I think when you're dating and living together, you don't have that same "outlook" and everything is still "his" and "hers". Or maybe she just sees it like that, and you see it as "ours"
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09:57:20...simu thought as well?
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home entertainment system:
http://tinyurl.com/3895hq8
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I even purchased the Director's Cut (2007) and gave it another earnest go and I'm not a fan. I'll liveblog though if I'm available. You'll need at least one voice of dissent in the bunch, right?
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All I would say is that if you guys have been together for that long, it seems obvious this requires more serious discussion between the two of you. The situation wasn't exactly ideal last night from the sounds of it. Hope you work things out.
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It calls the Director's Cut "mediocre" in audio and video quality.I knew this one was gonna drive me bonkers if it ever got selected for debate.
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"Transmission of music data at rates faster than the speed of light seemed convenient, until I realized I was hearing the music before I actually wanted to play it. Apparently Denon forgot how accustomed most of us are to unidirectional time and the general laws of physics. I tried to get used to this effect but hearing songs play before I even realized I was in the mood for them just really screwed up my preconceptions of choice and free will. I'm still having a major existential hangover."
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that was my favorite!
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Two Men, One Mind.
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but it doesn't sound like she was being realistic about her expectations to begin with. Sounds like she wanted to play house, wanted you to "man up" and earn more money, and when you didn't it burst her little bubble. I agree with the "stay cool" plan, but I wouldn't hold my breath with this girl. Sounds like she's moved on, if she's ignoring your calls and behaving this way. :(
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Jul 01, 2010 10:18:57 AM CDT
...the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
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with studio interference as the only true version. The theatrical, whatever you may think about the tacked-on narration, makes a farce of everything that has come before. Spoilers! Haha... If there are lovely leafy vistas a short drive away, then why is everyone taking "the chance to begin again" off world away from the ever present black rain? Especially if you can just escape said rain with a quick drive into the country. Bah. The Universal-tampered version of Brazil is equally moronic. As are the cut-down versions of The Abyss and Kingdom of Heaven, with gaping holes and characters or directions that make no sense.
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Theatrical cuts are the ones that most people have seen. That might be changing, but even today, I'd insist that's true.All films are compromised. I'd argue that by very definition, a film that can be tampered with seven times is one that is obviously imperfect in at least six, probably all, of its guises.And, I've always said, the one that is first, is the one that counts. Just my opinion.But we've agreed it's The Director's Cut of BLADE RUNNER that is up for PANTHEONISM. I just really, really need to know which of the six alternate versions that is.
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QUIT LOOKING AT ME!!!!
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when I said "man up" I meant that the idea is bs, especially since you made it clear that you becoming the breadwinner and traditional male head of the household wasn't in the cards while you were struggling to get your career off the ground. That was not a condemnation of you, it was a condemnation of her traditionalist stereotype image of what your lives were going to be like when you moved in together.
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but I have seen Royal Tenenbams and was not impressed. It's ok. Se7en is a very good movie, but I don't think it achieves perfection as much as I think Spacey is brilliant in it. FUN FACT: My screenwriting teacher in college taught the writer of Se7en.
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Jul 01, 2010 10:35:22 AM CDT
I think it's very possible we don't get an inductee this month
by yackbacker
Imagine that shit!
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How come I wasn't consulted?
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I don't want Vades to take our discussing it too personally, but a big part of his identity is his identity as a film-maker. If there is "love" in the relationship beyond the attraction of 14 year-olds with a long friendship, that love must include each other's goals and identities, as they are, as they become, but, never, as they are wished to be or expected to become.One doesn't "man up" - or "woman up" - by deferring these basic things to the other.
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when he makes the next Hangover and his filmmaking career takes off.
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Do you need a refresher on the process?
Any Peeber can nominate any movie they personally feel is a "perfect" one. That's a Hoagie.
Hoagies are seconded and thirded by other Peebers who agree that the film is a "perfect" one. Once a film has been thirded, it becomes an Alfie.Each month, the list of Alfies is Oldmanated to randomly select three titles for debate. This is where we get into issues of what is meant by "perfect."Then, at the end of the month, we vote. -
Official List of Alfies for potential nomination for induction into THE PANTHEON OF PEEBER REFERRED PHILMS™
The following list is alphabetized and does not reflect the random order or numerical placement of titles which is used to select monthly nominees.
12 ANGRY MEN
12 MONKEYS
THE 400 BLOWS
2001
THE AFRICAN QUEEN
AGUIRRE: THE WRATH OF GOD
ALIEN
AMADEUS
AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON
ANNIE HALL
APOCALYPSE NOW
BACK TO THE FUTURE
BADLANDS
BAMBI
BARRY LYNDON
BATTLE ROYALE
THE BIG LEBOWSKI
BIG NIGHT
BLADE RUNNER (Director's Cut)
THE BLUES BROTHERS
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
BUTCH CASSIDY & THE SUNDANCE KID
BULL DURHAM
CHINATOWN
A CHRISTMAS STORY
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
COOL HAND LUKE
CUBE
DANGEROUS LIAISONS
THE DARK CRYSTAL
DELIVERANCE
DIE HARD
DOG DAY AFTERNOON
DR. STRANGELOVE, OR HOW I STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMB
THE DREAM TEAM
E.T.
ED WOOD
THE ELEPHANT MAN
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
THE EXORCIST
FARGO
FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF
FIELD OF DREAMS
FIGHT CLUB
THE FISHER KING
FLETCH
GALAXY QUEST
GHOSTBUSTERS
THE GODFATHER
THE GODFATHER, PART II
THE GOOD, THE BAD, & THE UGLY
GOODFELLAS
THE GRADUATE
THE GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES
THE GREAT ESCAPE
GROSSE POINT BLANK
HALLOWEEN
IKIRU
THE INCREDIBLES
JAWS
KING KONG
L'AVENTURRA
LA DOLCE VITA
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
LET THE RIGHT ONE IN
LONE STAR
MAD MAX 2: THE ROAD WARRIOR
MANHATTAN
MIDNIGHT RUN
MILLER'S CROSSING
MONTY PYTHON & THE HOLY GRAIL
MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO
THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN
ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
PAN'S LABYRINTH
PINOCCHIO
THE PLANET OF THE APES
PREDATOR
THE PRINCESS BRIDE
PULP FICTION
RAGING BULL
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
RAISING ARIZONA
RAN
RASHOMON
THE RED SHOES
RIFIFI
RUSHMORE
ROBOCOP
THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS
SEVEN
SEVEN SAMURAI
SHAUN OF THE DEAD
THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION
THE SHINING
THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
SLING BLADE
THE SOUND OF MUSIC
SPINAL TAP
STAR WARS
STAND BY ME
TAXI DRIVER
THE TERMINATOR
THERE WILL BE BLOOD
THE THING (Carpenter's)
THE THIRD MAN
TOY STORY
TOY STORY 2
TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE
UNFORGIVEN
THE UNTOUCHABLES
WALL-E
THE WARRIORS
WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT?
THE WIZARD OF OZ
YOJIMBO
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28 Days Later, 48 Hours, Abyss, The, After Life, Amarcord, American Psycho, Au Revoir Les Enfants, Ballast, Band of Outsiders, Best In Show, Big Heat, The, Blood Simple, Blowout, Body Heat, Bourne Ultimatum, The, Breaking Point, Brokeback Mountain, Burbs, The, Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter, Casino, Changeling, The (George C. Scott), Chasing Amy, Chop Shop, Chungking Express, City Lights, City of God, Clerks, Collector, The, Conversation, The, Cove, The, Curse of The Demon, Dawn of The Dead, Dead Man's Shoes, Detour, Die Hard 2, Diving Bell & The Butterfly, The, Dr. Zhivago, Drunken Master, Duel, Easy Rider, Emperor of the North, Eraserhead, Fanny & Alexander, Fists in Pocket, Fitzcarraldo, Fly, The, Four Rooms, Four Weddings & a Funeral, Freaks, Giant, Gomorrah, Goodbye Girl, The, Grand Illusion, Great Santini, The, Gun Crazy, Half Nelson, Hardcore, Hard Day's Night, A, Harley Davidson & The Marlboro Man, Heathers, History of Violence, A, Hook, Hoosiers, Hour of The Wolf, Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom, Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion, Key Largo, Kings of Comedy, Kuffs, L'Enfant, Last of The Mohicans, The, Le Circle Rouge, Legends of The Fall, Leopard Man, The, Lion In Winter, The, Long Goodbye, The, Madness of King George, The, Magnificent Seven, The, Mean Streets, Mildred Pierce, Millions, My Left Foot, Nausicaa & The Valley of the Wind, Nighthawks, Nobody's Fool, Obsessione, On the Waterfront, Panther Panchali, Papillon, Philadelphia Story, The, Pickup On South Street, Player, The, Quick Change, Read My Lips, Red Balloon, The, Red Beard, Reign of Fire, Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins, Roman Holiday, Rules of the Game, The, Sawdust & Tinsel, Scarlet Street, Série Noir, Set-Up, The, Seven Men From Now, Seventh Seal, The, Shoot The Piano Player, Singing In The Rain, Spirit of The Beehive, The, Spirited Away, Streetcar Named Desire, A, Sunshine, Targets, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, Things To Do in Denver When You're Dead, To Kill A Mockingbird, Touch of Evil, Toy Story 3, Two Women, Ugetsu, Vengeance Is Mine, Vice Squad, Victor Victoria, Young Mr. Lincoln
Seconded
Batman, Battleship Potemkin, Beauty & The Beast (Cocteau), Being There, Beverly Hills Cop, Bicycle Thief, The, Blow Up, Bonnie & Clyde, Breaking Away, Christmas Vacation, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Curse of The Cat People, The, Dark City, Days of Heaven, Diabolique, Double Indemnity, Duck Soup, Escape From Planet of The Apes, Excalibur, Eyes Without A Face, Fifth Element, The, Fish Called Wanda, A, Five Easy Pieces, Fly, The (Cronenberg's), Friends of Eddie Coyle, The, Fright Night, General, The, Harder They Fall, The, Hidden Fortress, High & Low, House of Mirth, Hud, In Cold Blood, In the Loop, The Iron Giant, Jungle Book, The, Ladykillers, The, Last Detail, The, Last Picture Show, The, Lethal Weapon, M, Maltese Falcon, The, Matrix, Mediteraneo, Modern Times, Night & The City, Nights of Cabiria, Once Upon A Time In The West, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Ox-Bow Incident, The, Peeping Tom, Playtime, Porco Rosso, Quick Change, Rear Window, Rob Roy, Sanjuro, Searchers, The, Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs, Some Like It Hot, Strangers On a Train, Sunrise, Synecdoche, New York, Throne of Blood, Total Recall, Umberto D., Un Prophete, Unbreakable, Vacation, Vampyr, Visitor, The, Wages of Fear, The, Waiting for Guffman, Where The Wild Things Are, Z.
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I think I was on hiatus when you guys came up with this.
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And I was supposed to be Subbarizing®
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You guys are right, that seems exactly what happened. She expected me to be in a different place of my career at this point I guess, and since I'm not, its disappointing. Which is weird because when I was working on Jon and Kate Plus 8 and making much more money, she hated that I was gone all the time. But no worries, I'm not taking your discussions personally. Its helpful to read what you guys are saying, things I've been thinking but have been unable to piece together in my head. A big part of my identity IS as a filmmaker. I didn't want to move in until we were married, and I didn't want to get married until I was a little more established, because *then* I could be the provider, and that's what I wanted. I want to focus on my career so that I can provide and take care of her and us. But maybe I think she took that to mean she wasn't my main focus too. But definitely, her expectations of my goals and her reaction to them are a bit unfair.
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That's what I'm planning on! I might be dayplaying in the props department the next few months down on the CW show "The Vampire Diaries", and I'm already planning on going out to the Telluride Film Festival to do some volunteering this september with my mom's cousin who always works it (she took care of Nic Cage last year). Course, my girlfriend doesn't know any of that because she never asks.
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INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM.
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sounds great! Sounds like a great way to do some networking within the business.
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unless it's on one of the lists...I might be blind.
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They made a couple no budget films on HD and now they're working with A-list talent in Cyrus. Living the dream. We believe in you, Vades!
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Being There, Bicycle Thief, The, Blow Up, Bonnie & Clyde, Breaking Away, Christmas Vacation, Double Indemnity, Duck Soup, Escape From Planet of The Apes, The, Fish Called Wanda, A, Fly, The (Cronenberg's), The, Last Picture Show, The, Lethal Weapon, Maltese Falcon, The, Matrix, Nights of Cabiria, Once Upon A Time In The West, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Rear Window, Searchers, The, Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs, Some Like It Hot, Strangers On a Train, Sunrise, Synecdoche, New York, Vacation.
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Can't believe you guys missed this one.
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Repeat: I DO NOT THIRD SUNRISE!
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Great film there
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I'm a big fan of Gore Verbinski. I think he's got a great visual flair and all his movies have been very enjoyable for me. Love his adaptation of The Ring.
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But I am probably going to vote NAY on all three nominations.
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When I'm working from home my wife gives me grief about always being there and getting in her face, but when I'm away on films (usually come home on weekends because 5-6 hour drive per day just kills me), then apparently I'm not doing what 'normal' Dads do and can't be expected to waltz in the door & have my opinion when I'm not even there all week and that things are even harder because I'm not around. Then there's the stuff about 'freedom'. Sometimes ya can't win.
Film & telly is a crazy way of life and no it's not ideal but even the 9 to 5 dads often don't get home til the kids are in bed so no-one's situation is, really. I keep saying to her I'd be happy to take over her job if she'd do mine. It just happens that my earning POTENTIAL (if not necessarily the reality) is higher than her part-time work & full-time job at home with the kids. So we get along as best we can.
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Looks like lots of debate in the days ahead.Yays, don't be discouraged. Nays, state your case in reasons, if you've got them, beyond "that movie's stupid."The rest of us, lettuce make an effort to see the ones we haven't.
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no interest to see THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS, it should be fun to watch the movie and see how I react to it. Same goes for SE7EN, but I've wanted to see that before.
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looks interesting. On the nerd side, I'm excited that Mark 'Crash' McCreery is doing character designs. His pencil technique is insane. And I thought I got anal with the detail.
I'm wondering if my wife cracked the teaser. She was sort of weirded out too, but then came back with 'fish out of water', which was pretty good I thought.
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one day we're totally nice and having a good time.
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I liked that the most of his stuff at the time. The least 'quirky for quirky's sake' of them all maybe.
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Huh. LESS time you say?
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a little one's got a busted wing or the wife?
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I just couldn't connect with it. The animation was fine, and I love the autumnal design of it all, but I was looking for something decidedly quirkier or, maybe, less quirky - I still can't decide.
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Stepping right up this week to be the contrarian asshole. Good on ya!
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Daaaaaamon is that they're all pretty boys that could have coasted their whole careers on their looks, but decided to be actors instead and chose interesting projects and interesting directors, whether successfully or not.
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Crazy talk!
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No no, we don't fight like THAT!
No, I'm up 'cause the little one needs casts every now and then either on her arm or leg to stretch the muscles because of the Palsy thing. This is why she has the botox shots, but sometimes they're not enough. It all helps the limbs grow more evenly so that characteristic walk isn't so bad. She's doing amazingly well, but sometimes it's hard. She'll probably end up a few inches shorter than her twin. Didn't mean to make it sound so dramatic.
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They have a unique ability to "disappear" into character, too. Even when they're unsuccessful, as Depp was as The Mad Hatter, they're making interesting attempts.Maybe, for me, not so much Pitt. He suffers a bit of Clooneyism. You know, just standing there being what he is.
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One of these days, I'll take the cast off, and I'll show them with a light bump on their heads, I will!"
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SE7EN is really the only one I may reconsider. But then I have to detach myself from the movie's marketing, which I remember, and make believe I stumbled upon it randomly, like some 60s noir piece.
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even if the film wasn't all that
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A. Bored with us because we haven't been funny enough.
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I think it's pretty close to a perfect movie, if not one.
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Someone has got to do it.
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But I could not connect with anything happening emotionally. I just didn't give a shit what was happening.
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I wouldn't hesitate to affirm THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS, quirks and all.I'd abstain from BLADE RUNNER because I've only seen the version the others abhor. (If we were voting on the version I've seen, I'd vote "Nay" and be hard to persuade otherwise.)SEVEN...I'd want to vote "Yay," because it is my idea of great "entertainment," but the fact that I am hesitating means something is nagging at me. It's the one I'm most looking forward to re-watching.
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There are lots of other Peebers.I always felt sort of like Yack, RE: BLADE RUNNER. I admired the design of it, but I always felt it was cold. Of course that's it hook. But, I just didn't care, besides a killer monologue by Rutger Hauer at the end.
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I think I'm too biased on it to make a rational judgement, having worked on a couple of Dahl-related things (that still haven't gone ahead). The ANIMATION itself is very English to my eyes, and they made pretence of being really true to Dahl right down to the furniture in his house, but changed not only the style but the type of humour which is Dahl's signature characteristic. And seeing as this one even more than his others satirised quintessentially English mores and types, the Americanisation sorta makes me think he didn't understand the story at all. I can't understand the inconsistency in its internal logic.
On the other hand, even while changing the dialogue to quirky non-sequitirs and incredibly American style humour/characterisations, he LEAVES the farmers as completely English? Zuh? It just seems so jarring to me. This one situation where the country/caricatures are absolutely pertinent to the story. Yet Anderson goes even further and wants to satirise Hollywood movies with for example the catchphrase/signature "thing I do" while using it himself. I really really hope it doesn't all come down to the simplistic British = villains, Americans = Heroes thing. He's a clever guy, so I really hope it's not that.
I did like the tableau/stylised visuals, and the music was great too. I just, dunno... it isn't really DAHL's Mr Fox. and I sorta wish they'd just gone ALL the way with that and completely Americanised it for consistency. One or the other. -
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HA! 'nilla, I didn't, for a minute, make that connection.
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I had just forgotten about the cast therapy for the twin, which you've told us about before, and I immediately thought someone had had an accident and busted something.
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Sorry to hear about the girlfriend issues…but, you are not the problem…I hate to be the one to bring this up, but her being at the Ritz Carlton until 3 AM does beg the question…is there someone else…? Do you know for sure who she was with and where? No you don’t…not really…(and don’t tell me that wasn’t part of your anxiety last night) Of course, I am ever the suspicious type having cheated and been cheated on multiple times in the past…I hope you guys can work it out if that is what you want, but, you have every reason to be concerned in this situation…If it can be salvaged, keep working at it…if not, cut your losses and move on…Other fish in the sea and all that…You already have chicks calling you up inviting YOU out for beers, so, you won’t stay single long… Yeah, I know it hurts right now, you got that vacant burning hole in your gut that won’t seem to go away, but, it will, just give it time…and use this emotional turmoil in your work, capture it and translate it into art….then, when we all gather for the world premier of your first movie we can all laugh at her stupidity…
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have any of the Dahl adaptations been true to his unique signature?
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Any film that has seven versions is far from perfect.
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LOVE that movie...Also Yay for any version of Bladerunner...The other flick I haven't seen...
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And I think ROYAL is his best. And I have a special place in my heart for LIFE AQUATIC. How could I not with the extended buckaroo banzai homage?
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or emotionally blank is about the hardest thing you could try to pull off, probably. I think in this case it's thematically so strong that it balances, but I can completely see why that doesn't work for some, whether that's the point or not.
SEVEN - it was this and 12 Monkeys that showed me Pitt was going to really try.
Yeah, I think the thing with guys like Pitt, it's not just the distinctive looks they have to overcome, but their idiosyncrasies/mannerisms and cadence, too. Assassination showed that he's getting that under control too. But I think that's something that guys like Pacino and Hoffman have really tried to get past. Just that you're so aware every second that they're Dustin Hoffman the whole time so they've almost gotta be twice as good or something...
Then there are guys like Jeff Goldblum whose mannerisms and so on are so full-on that half the editor's job in creating their performance is in getting rid of all that stuff. Goes for Hopkins too. Wolfman showed what happens if you don't actually direct him and leave all the old tricks in there.
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My favorite Wes Anderson is everybody's least favorite.
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THE DARJEELING LIMITED.I really like LIFE AQUATIC, too, Sixies.
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Keep the discussions up.I would never have thought BLADE RUNNER would be this month's true underdog.
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Are we talking COLD MOUNTAIN again?
If I wasn't contractually obliged never to watch it I think i'd first it just for the fun of it!
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I actually thought that was one of the few saving graces. I don't think he had much to work with, but I thought he assembled a pretty coherent film. Of course, I could be bias because I saw the film at an ACE presentation with him speaking afterwards.
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http://tinyurl.com/27wm9kg
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I think that quote is Norm on Cheers.That sucks Vaderman. Guess there is only one thing left to do......flex right in her face and then become a prolific filmmaker.I guess thats 2 things.You gotta love someone for who they are and not who you want them to be. That was her mistake. Not yours.Sorry I got here late. Well early..then late.And DIE HARD didn't make it? For shame.
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My two cents..
SEVEN is a great film, but the very definition of a 'one watch' movie. It's a mystery thriller. And without the mystery the thrills are diminished.
ROYAL TENENBAUMS is very good. I normally don't like 'relationship' films of that kind and I enjoyed it so it can't be bad. An all time classic tho? Hmm. I also prefer LIFE AQUATIC. In fact could name 3 or 4 Bill Murray movies I prefer over Tenenbaums.
...and BLADE RUNNER. Yes it's a little cold, and a little disconnected. But it is a sci-fi classic. However, while I admire it I don't enjoy it as much as ESB or ALIEN or TERMINATOR or THE ABYSS or indeed quite a few other sci-fi classics.
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Cheeses, the pet AT-AT thing got a thread all of it's own on aicn a few days back. Excellent fx / puppeteering, really seamless.
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for Blade Runner in that case, as all films then have at least two versions. And SEVEN versions? I thought there was Workprint, Release Abomination, Director's and Final.
And even there, workprint was just the early pre-release one which isn't considered a final version these days anyway what with sneak previews/marketing feedback screenings and so on. It's only a 'version' in this case because of the famously contentious issues in this one's history and made available as a historical document.
The release one wasn't Scott's version, it was the studio's fuck-up. On a par with Sid Sheinberg's neutering/"happy" ending of Brazil.
So it comes down to that, Scott's version, and then the Final, which only tweaked a couple of things to correct continuity and fix budget-related gaffes. But at least they DID call them different things, as opposed to Lucas who changes it all then says "Nope, that's it. The others don't exist".
Oh and I absolutely agree Subs, the release is the one most people see, and for all intents mostly becomes 'it'. Which of course doesn't necessarily make it right or the 'real' film. Then there's more studio skullduggery, like Kingdom of Heaven. SURE the Director's cut got a theatrical release. One week only at two cinemas in one city, in the whole world. Whatever... -
Murch IS great. REALLY great. But like I said, that's the first & last I'll say on that flick.
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was great in Tenenbaums. And actually pretty hot in the first Iron Man. Or maybe that was the tight skirts and Loubuotins. And fantastic in Seven given what she had to do in the (screen) time she was given.
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anytime...
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Seriously, 2/3 movies w/ Paltrow? Kinda creepy!
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http://tinyurl.com/35v5tob
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Fashion faux-pas! Mon dieu!
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Two films (RT and BR) with intensely personal followings, for sure.
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Sean Young was the Paltrow of the Eighties. Just pretty enough. Just talented enough. Kinda annoying (to some people).
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Zero Tolerance Baby! Or at least that's what the Eagles said when the signed him.
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And Sean... since when has Sean been a unisex name? Seriously can you name another girl called Sean?
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his Sean cancels out any girly Seans.
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won't offend Tony Dungy too much. After all it's not like he did anything gay.
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But Gwynny can act! And do accents like falling off a log. From all accounts it was a hell of a job just getting Young to act enough to pass as a machine (yes I know they're genetic engineering but you know wot ah mean). She didn't fare so well in Dune and then it turned out she is in fact a bit of a fucking nightmare. Looked incredible though, which was the point.
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Did you not see BABY: SECRET OF THE LOST LEGEND?
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/01/mel-gibson-oksana-grigorieva-racist-rant-audio-tape-n-word/
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At least he seems to hate all races equally...women, too...
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NO! I didn't! Being the animatronics/effects whore I am I really wanted to though. Maybe they have it at the video shop. You can't get anything older than a few years in any other genre, but Kids' films are pretty safe - they wanna bleed every cent out of that demo. And it was Disney wasn't it? So that goes double. I'm sure there's a DVD floating around somewhere.
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performance.
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Like I say, I wanted to watch it for the dino anyway. Wasn't William Katt in that too? Was his perm?
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I don't remember about the perm, though. Probably. What's Katt without the perm?
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whiteV have you seen Eric Bana's documentary 'Love The Beast'? I'm watching this and I CANNOT believe this guy isn't playing Mad Max in the new movie.
He's an uber obsessive over the Ford Falcon Coupe and the original movie. Talk about perfect match between actor and material.
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I've worked for them for years and some of my mates are on it and I got George to sign my copy of 2 but there's nothing for me to do because all that pre work was done years ago (and looked great) when they were gonna shoot it in Namibia. Man, I've done props & set dec! Don't they need that?
I don't care about Bana. I'm being selfish! Actually, even in "Chopper" mode I'm still not sure he's Max. Dunno.
To finally answer the question, nope, still haven't got around to it. I really wanna see it though. Maybe I'll feel differently. Long live the V8 interceptor!
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Time for bed! Later peebs.
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Give me a call the next time you hit town.
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Thanks for the good times.
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You've insulted my intelligence in a way I simply cannot abide, so I'm done. Way to go, champ.
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What's going on?
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Hope you're not gone 4 realz!
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Shit.
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So stupid...
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HA! Art vs. commerce.
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Another swipe at me? Keep 'em coming.
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Plus, who among us doesn't like talking about drinking and tits?
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Don't force me to hound you in all the other TBs, because you know I will!
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...it seemed to go from point A, to point B, to point C, and suddenly to point X all of a sudden.
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I even saw him post hate in the Blue Beetle-back on your account. And he almost never posts to non-PB TBs.
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Ted my man, I get insulted on the regular on aicn. Don't believe me, go and have a read on the ICE TRUCKERS tb in the last 24 hrs.
It's all part of the experience. Being told you're primarily interested in 'drinking and tits' isn't so much an insult as a badge of honor.
I'd also say that this is no one's private party. It's a free and equal environment... a playground. And like any playground there are gonna be a few spats every once in a while.
That doesn't mean you hide away. You still turn up, and maybe you avoid that particular person for a day or two, or maybe you dont. But sooner or later you realise that you're in it together, friends after all, and you get on with business.
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Hope you come back in the future!
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we are only days away from the 1st Anniversery of the Pedalback…it would be a shame for someone who has been there from the beginning, and slogged thru 100,000 posts to not be a part of that… At least give Subs a chance to respond before you bow out…Please don’t punish the rest of your Pebrew Brethren because of a spat over Wonder Tits…We would miss you terribly…Drinking and talking about titties just wouldn’t be the same…
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If it helps, my participation here is going to be winnowing down to next-to-nothing, anyway, which has been my plan for weeks.But, don't think you're alone in the hurt feelings department. My intelligence and my demeanor is challenged and called into question on nearly a daily basis around this place, lately. Stabby is right. The "drinking and tits" comment was meant as a joke to diffuse my self-absorbed and self-righteous anger as much as anything else. But, I apologize for not making it clearer. Just as I apologize if I misconstrued your art vs. commerce post as a shot across my bow.You and I have been here before. We don't owe each other anything, but you are appreciated here and you will be missed.You're not punishing me, if that's what you want. You know how to get in touch with me if you want to yell at me. Don't punish everyone else.
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Jul 01, 2010 4:16:29 PM CDT
Leave it to a chick...in this case a Wonder Chick...
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to come between bestest friends...Is DC gonna change her name to Yoko, too...
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this place keeps me from getting into trouble...without you guys, I'd be back out at the bars every night well on my way to another DWI...Plus, it's very difficult to hurt my fellings, as I have so few of them...
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I do have a lot of failings...
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Give us time.
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Fellings like I never had before...(with appologies to Herb Albert)
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It's more than a felling
(More than a felling)
When I hear that old song they used to play
(More than a felling)
I begin dreaming
(More than a felling)
'Til I see Marianne walk away
I see my Marianne walkin' away
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It has
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&zwjto do with Wonder Woman. It has to do with an increasing inability to disagree with respect and courtesy. Giving one their point before proceeding on to your own. It has to do with the general tone of AICN Talkback becoming, more and more, the tone of The Pedalback, to the point where people feel they can't abide it. Lettuce face it, some of it has to do with my pissing people off with my judgments. I'll own my part of it.I've been feeling it for weeks. Teddy just decided to express it.Like I said, I've been planning to reduce my involvement to the infrequent review, the occasional "hello" to an amigo, and participation in a conversation, here or there, that interests me, spending the rest of my time Archiving the previous 100K posts, avoiding those things that I can't abide. I'm perfectly prepared to start that, this minute, if it would ensure Teddy's return and allow him to save face.Nor am I creating drama or volunteering for martyrdom. Falling on a sword is not my style, any more. This has been the plan, all along. -
because he failed to update his registration as a sex offender.
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Such a great actor. Shame he went down that path.
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if/when you plan to reduce your involvement.
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I don't know anyone in this group that does not respect your intelligence and extensive knowledge of motion pictures and pop culture...furthermore...among this group, I don't think any of us perceive disagreement with condemnation or scorn... We all have different tastes, none are better or worse than the other...Even with your stance on "the old days were better" I struggle to recall anyone questioning your intelligence, just your choice of words (which sometimes come across harsh) typed in the heat of the moment... I do hope I am not one of those that have offended you...
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...we had a little scrape recently, but my beef was very specific...it doesn't extend to all of Pedalbackdom.
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I shouldn't have brought it up, probably. You want to ask me about it, you know how to get in touch with me. The more it's mentioned here, the worse the possible misunderstandings, not to mention the more foolish we risk making our group look.My only reason for mentioning it, was to let Teddy know, in a day or two, the things that are troubling him right now will have disappeared.Drukken fama!
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WhiteV, along with THE HOBBIT and Ridley's new ALIEN Mad Max Fury Road is probably my most anticipated movie on the horizon...
I just hope George Miller doesn't fuck it up - and of course the casting of Max is key in that. I feel like Bana would have been a 'safe' choice.
Tom Hardy on the other hand might be brilliant or he might be just awful. No way of knowing.
V.cool that you have a signed copy of the classic MAD MAX 2 though. Even if the new film stinks there's no taking that away.
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Subs mate,
and Ted mate,
Let's all be mates!
One teensy little argument over Wonder Woman... let me repeat... over *Wonder Woman*..
...you might try and add portent or whatever but that's bullshit - this *is* a storm in a tea cup.
And here in the real world our man D.Vader looks like he might be about to break up with the love of his life that he's known since 14 years old.
So snap the fuck out of it! kiss and make up! Do it D.Vader! Do it for the Peebers! Do it for the Pantheon! Do it for Waitresses milkshake!
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Don't recall ever seeing a score that low before...
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right now to a 0%-rated Dakota Fanning movie.
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That really helps. It really, really does.
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How you holdin' up?
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We talked about this before so I won't bore you, but really, if she doesn't respect you and what you are trying to do, than it is better to move on.
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sure to clear theatres across the country....
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I sat outside so I'd be out on the back porch reading when she came home. But she came home late. I walked in the house at 7 maybe and her car was in the driveway and purse on the table. She had gone out to go on a walk with a friend in the neighborhood but never came outside to say hello. Around 7:30 I decided to go in and maybe think about making dinner. I walked in and saw our friend sitting on the Shays Lounge. And I just know that my gf told this friend all about what happened. So I was unsure what to do and just decided to play it like nothing was wrong. She says "How are you?" and I'm all chipper with "good!" Then my gf walks in behind me into the kitchen but doesn't say anything to me, taking pot out of a baggie to give to the friend. Friend leaves and the gf just goes in and out of rooms not really saying anything to me or even looking me in the eye. I was trying to be normal but she was so abnormal and distant that there was nothing for me to do. Then an old friend called, and I've missed all his phone calls the past few weeks, so I answered it and went outside. Gf came to the door moments later and said she was leaving, going to another gf's house in the neighborhood saying the other gf called her and wanted to talk about something. I just got the feeling my gf just didn't want to hang out lest a conversation arise or awkwardness come up. I went to the gym today to try and fight off a possible onset of depression. I know it will come. It happened the last time we broke up, but then I knew she was with another guy so it was worse. A friend on Facebook linked to a new video by Cee-Lo covering Band of Horses. I thought that sounded like an awesome idea so I clicked it. It ended up being the most depressing video I've seen lately. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/37qtjm2 Anyway. I just have the urge to go and sit in a dark movie theater. Wanted to do that allday, but unfortunately Avatar comes out tomorrow, not today, so I'll have to wait for that. And tomorrow I'll be working anyway. Sunday is the 4th and every year we go to my gf's parents' house for a very large pool party/cookout with lots of drinking and driveway games with my gf's brother and his friends. Then we go to a small old country club nearby and watch the fireworks. I'm not sure if I'm even still invited to that, and if I am, I just don't know how to act. I'm rambling again. Right now I'm just kind of.... Eh. I was in a good mood, confident and whatnot earlier, but after her blowing me off and not saying hey and me feeling like I walked into a trap (bc my gf has said, in previous fights, how all her friends tell her to break up with me and yadda yadda yadda, which I think is only half-true, but I bet this friend who was on the Shays was one of them), I'm just kind of down right now.
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at least, I'm hopin'. At least it wasn't my fault this time. And Cheeses... WonderTits, huh? [shaking head]
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Time to start calling all my old exes and past hookups.
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http://tinyurl.com/2wu78uv Everyone is pissed.
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But seriously, breaks up suck because you feel like you're being rejected, and no one wants to feel rejected. But you got to remember she isn't rejecting you, she is rejecting your choice of a life. She is obviously rejecting your desire to be a filmmaker and having a goal that is more important than her.
And I can understand why she should feel that way because truthfully she could invest in you economically and emotionally and then you could make it big and just leave her. But even though I can sympathize with how she is feeling, I don't sympathize with how she is going about this. It is obviously an intentional means to make you feel bad and small and make it seem like she is discarding you for her own ego boost.
But I don't think you should bare any grudges. Let it go, realize that this brief painful moment will probably spare you 10-12 years of utmost pain and misery if you were together.
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That's why she never wanted to move to LA with me unless we were married. She was afraid I'd get big and leave her for a hotter girl. I'm trying to look at the big picture the way you're saying it. Its hard right now. While I was out back reading, I was mentally taking stock of all the stuff here and wondering how fast I could move out of here. I just have my DVDs, my books, and a bunch of clothes. I could have everything out of the house, other than my one piece of furniture- my desk- out tomorrow before she gets home. I wonder how she'd take it.
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The past few months, I've been working hard to make things better, and they seemed like they were! She comes home and we talk for awhile, her telling me all about her day and the things she's excited and happy about. She still likes being around me and acting like we always have. When we're at her parents house for Father's day, she's leaning on me and we have our arms around each other. So then last night, when she doesnt come home and we fight and she's suddenly like "I want you out", it makes no sense. I dont get it. If you feel this way, I ask, why do you act like thigns are fine, why are you always so happy to talk to me. "Because I still want you as my friend" is her reply. Yeah, just pour some more salt on here why don't you.
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Jul 01, 2010 7:55:25 PM CDT
I would say leave as much of the stuff for her as you can
by continentalop
Pettiness and revenge is not the way to leave a relationship. Prove you're the bigger man and take only what you need and is rightfully yours.
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Jul 01, 2010 7:57:37 PM CDT
Eh, she's trying to make herself feel good for doing this
by continentalop
Let her have her small victory. Like I said, sometimes the bigger man has to accept insults and just walk away. It isn't weakness, it is strength.
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Jul 01, 2010 7:58:56 PM CDT
Vades, I've sat out of this part of the PB up until now, but...
by yackbacker
I'm jumping in now.
You are in a hostile situation that you cannot control, let alone solve on your own. If your girl wants to work shit out, she'll make an effort. If she doesn't make an effort, but still wants to work things out then she's doing wrong by you, brother. And if she's not making an effort and doesn't want to work things out, then you've got nothing left there to fight for at the moment.
Nothing is forever, and that cliche goes both ways- no relationship is guaranteed to be forever and neither is a break-up a guaranteed state of being. But today isn't the day you figure out your future. Today is when you address what's happening right in front of you and protect yourself as much as possible from any unnecessary fallout. If she throws you a sign that she wants to get things back on track, then you've got an opening. But otherwise, be McQueen and rise above the tit-for-tat and be the grown-up. I can recall one ex of mine that I wish I had broken up with on better terms because this girl was *important* to me in a very spiritual way. And I wish I had told her "Thank you." Whatever happened since our breakup was good for both of us, but for myself I wanted her to know how grateful I was for the time we did share.
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I didn't mean to imply I'd take anything of hers. All I have here are books, movies, clothes, and video games. Some framed movie posters. Two tvs. Okay, it would take some trips, but I could get all my stuff out before she got home.
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as one who has been married and divorced twice and lived with more women than I care to count, there comes that point where you can't get it back in a relationship, no matter what you do... Relationships are based on fantasies and expectations...hers appear to be gone...But, it's okay...someone else will have bigger and brighter fantasies and expectations of you and the cycle will start all over again...What's with the chick who invited YOU out for beers last night? Any promise there?
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Good advice there too. I need to hear it. All my close friends over the years have moved away. I don't really have anyone to vent to anymore. My college roommate and I haven't talked in awhile. The guys I went out on the town with moved to Austin. The other guy friend is getting married and doesn't always offer good advice. You guys are the only ones I've talked to about it. I don't think I could tell anyone about all this in person right now. So all this stuff is great to hear; I need it. Sorry to be clogging up the Pedalback with it.
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Not sure where that mixup happened. It was another PA/art dept guy I've worked with. He was out and a few more production pple ended up there too, including the son of Warren Oates. He bought me my Chimay Blue. We had a great time. Good advice from you too there brother, particularly the last statement in your first paragraph.
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Its this line: "so I told her I'd just go ahead and run out and do that since she wasn't home. She tells me "I'll be home soon"." The "her" was in reference to my gf, not the friend on the phone.
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That's what Peeberhood is for...It's okay, to be sad about this...it hurts...But, yeah, if you got a place to go, take your stuff and go...leave a few things "on accident" so you have an excuse to go back and thank her for kicking you out. If your buddies are all in Austin, have you ever considered relocating...Austin ROCKS and it had a thriving independent movie sub-culture...Plus, you could party with me and Teddy...and Sixes if we can ever work out arrangements...
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Well I'm going to visit sometime for sure. I need to figure out my prospects for the future, figure out what will serve me the best. I know a lot of pple here I could probably get to work for free on some upcoming projects. Within a year I want to be making my first feature. But after the last breakup we had, I know I almost moved to NYC to live there for 6 months. I've got friends up there now I could visit, and the last guys I worked with were from NYC so I'd have a possible job opportunity while I was there. We'll see. Money's the deciding factor I guess.
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I thought it was a chick...Still, take 'Lop's advice and circulate in the bars...you will find chicks dig on movie directors...Just don't drink and drive...take the word of one who knows...
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Jul 01, 2010 8:18:04 PM CDT
I have to say... she's treating you very disrespectfully, D.
by scarywaitress
An adult would talk to you, rather than air out your dirty laundry all over the neighborhood like that. I'm sorry things suck right now, man. I admire your hutzpah in not selling out your dreams for this skirt, though. She doesn't sound worth it, from this side. I've seen your t-shirt pic. You can do better.
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During the last breakup we had a few years ago. Course, the bars are only at the end of my street, so it was an easy drive, but sometimes I'd go to the bars a few blocks away instead. But yeah, bad news. Bad news all around. I'm so lucky I didn't do anything stupid. Correction: so lucky that nothing bad happened as a result of my stupidity. Though I did wake up on the floor near a puddle of my vomit one morning. I was woken up by my mom asking if I was okay.
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I need to eat a little something and I'd rather be on the couch when the gf comes home than tucked away in my office on the computer. Maybe I'll put in a movie to cheer me up. And thanks again Scary. That makes me feel better.
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Better things are a'comin. ☺
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is that you HAVE no limitations..everything you own will fit into a car and you have flesh friends in Austin and NYC, and cyber friends in DFW, LA and Austrailia...look on this as a "Freedom Experience" like I did after my first divorce...God Damn that was the best time of my life...The sky was the limit...Sure, I fucked it all up, but I certainly had a great time livin' it...
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I think i know what mel Gibson would call D's girlfriend...and it isn't a very nice word...
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And if you want, I can always try to hook you up with a gig at my ad agency. The women in my place are quite fetching!
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Jul 01, 2010 8:29:18 PM CDT
Sugartits? Nah... that's a term of endearment, Cheeses.
by scarywaitress
I think you need to look to Lisa Lampanelli for appropriate lingo to describe D's soon-to-be ex.
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Professional, Ess!
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http://tinyurl.com/36zgwwy
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With that, I too must go. The Tennant levels in my bloodstream are at a dangerous low. Oh warm, brown eyes... save me from thoughts of bills and car troubles...
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You know, I don't like knowing all these horrible details about celebrities' lives. It ruins my time at the movies. Tom Cruise shot himself to shit, John Travolta is an effing wingnut, Nic Cage is demented... why can't everyone be like Michael Keaton, for the love of Christ?!?!?!?!? I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THESE THINGS! I give up with Mel. Seriously. The dude has jumped the shark, totally.
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I'm not even shocked. It's like "Yeah, he's a fucking bigot, like I already thought..." It's rather sad that a man who is that well-off is so blatantly miserable. He deserves our pity and nothing more.
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The door was open, and I heard voices. Needed a break from Twilight reviews and Airbender pans. Figured I'd de-lurk and say hi. Hi!
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That's a poor metaphor too. Are female pigs known generally for their heats? I'm sure they have heats, like all mammals, but I think Mel would, if he had the opportunity, go back and rephrase that metaphor. But by all means, the N-word stays, right Mel?
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There was a girl at work today who told me all about her midnight showing of the TWILIGHT movie- these kids, ya know I can blame them for having shitty taste, but I do find such zeal charming. That being said, I am constantly reminded of how the Nazis rose to power when bad ideas like TWILIGHT capture so many young people's hearts.
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Alternative, more pointedly racist metaphors! Let's play this game!
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...you're getting good advice from Pebrews. Personally, I'd probably skip the bar pudenda, but that's just me.
One of the things I loved about UP is how it showed a long term relationship as being about shared dreams. Carl and his wife were denied their initial fantasies of adventure and a family, but were able to adapt...and find new goals and projects to pursue together.
I'm not sure what my point is, except that it sounds as though your girlfriend has drifted away from whatever that initial vision of a life together was. Not much you can do about that.
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Theater of the absurd... nothing is sacred, etc.
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Yack, even my own mother, who's about to retire from teaching 8th grade english, has read every one of those books and told me she is going to see this new Twilight on Friday night. I occasionally feel like I'm taking Mugatu brand crazy pills. She also wants to upgrade her iPhone to the 4g version and confided that Avatar is her all-time favorite movie. Sometimes the words, they just fail me.
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but I got no further.
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Though I suppose it would be less traumatic than if my sister was on LiveJasmine. And before you ask, she's not, thank crom.
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...movies, but in defense of the good girls and mothers of the world who happen to be fans, I'll re-post this interesting article from The Atlantic, called What Girls Want.
Basically, it's saying that while TWILIGHT isn't good literature, it gives girls something they want and need. Something that's good for them, and that they SHOULD want and aren't getting from stuff like GOSSIP GIRL, TRAVELING PANTS, and such.
As the dad of a little girl, I found it enlightening...
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...so I feel your pain, confusion, and bewilderment.
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...but I'll forward that along to her. I've not read the books either, but I had a long conversation with a friend of mine whose taste is usually compatible with mine and whose opinions I trust, and she tried to break it down in a similar fashion; that story really captures the feelings of a young girl first falling in love. I think we, as genre geeks, just get upset that they've appropriated (and watered down) one of our genre standards (vampires and werewolves) to use as wrapping for a story that is designed to speak fairly exclusively to those young girls. In that sense, I guess it is preferable to Bratz or SATC. Kind of like walking in on your kid sister using your He-Man figures as groomsmen in an elaborate Barbie wedding. Eh, I really don't mind Twilight, I just get tired of the event hype. Airbender, though... I really liked that cartoon, and even though I was prepared for Shyamalan to drop a signature deuce on it, it's still a bummer to read that Ebert (or any of them, really) review -
It'd probably be too expensive, but the characters are grounded and real-world enough in civilian form that it'd be easy to fit them on the small screen. They could film in Canada and give it a Twin Peaks-like visual atmosphere.As it is, we have people with "mind powers", which are presumably the cheapest to film.
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And Flick, I don't even think my dad has favorite movies. I bought him the Man With No Name box set one year for Christmas, thinking it was a no-brainer, and he seemed happy with it, but I heard later that he told my mom, "I've already seen those movies, why would I need to see them again?" I still occasionally ask them where they hid the spaceship they found me in.
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...s'pose I'll check back in on this shindig in the future. Peace be with you, peeber nation.
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Nice to see you again, after a long time.The spaceship is one thing, but if they bring you a pair of tights to wear, I think you should give it a long, hard think.
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where they hid the spaceship they found me in." HHHHAAAAA!!!!
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Let's see how this will work out..
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Just read an article on Dennis hopper in RS...sad final months
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Remind me to do this w/ the girl soon. But really, wolfman movies never live up to their hairy promise...
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Jul 01, 2010 10:58:18 PM CDT
Sixies, were you able to open that document I sent you?
by subtitles_off
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This might be my next vacation...
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THE INFORMANT! and THE HANGOVER. I'm starting to become skeptical of movie titles with "THE" and that's pretty fucking scary.
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Finally, a difference of opinion we can hold against each other. That was one of my favorite movies last year.Don't be so quick to write off all articles. remember A FISH CALLED WANDA? That was great, and its title begins with an article. THE MALTESE FALCON.It's not the article's fault.
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We're still the same man, I am merely your subconscious fighting with you. Or maybe it's the other way around. Either way, I love me, and therefore I love you too. G'night!
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THE PRINCESS BRIDE
THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEINTHE CITIZEN KANE
Ok, well, maybe not that last one. -
Whenever you get on here...I hope you are still keeping your chin up...No matter what she said or did tonight, even if it was nothing, stay focused...and keep us informed... will rovide...and we'll always be there for you...Just keep thinking, WWMcQD....What Would McQueen Do?
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eace be unto all Pebrews...
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I love me some HIGHLANDER (the first one only mind), and just watched a docu from the special features.
The writer of the original draft is interviewed and while he does seem proud to have been involved with the film he also seems a bit miffed that the seriousness of his story was compromised. He clearly hates what they did with the Kurgan - who he wrote as a very focused silent villain.
Thank god for rewrites! Clancy Brown's whacked out psycho performance is fantastic imho - so glad they let him have a bit of fun.
The writer also says that HIGHLANDER gave him a springboard into Hollywood..
"After HIGHLANDER I went on and wrote BACKDRAFT.. and then... um did some TV.. and uhh.." voice trails off.
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Jul 02, 2010 7:19:45 AM CDT
I was just looking at the movies out for 4th of July weekend
by macready452
Does Hollywood even give one fuck anymore? This is a total joke. Theaters will be closing by the hundreds come September with these kind of options. Pathetic.I'm going swimming.
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I can't tolerated Lambert's shit acting in anything else. This is the only film I let it go.
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Mac, that whodunnit thriller with Lambert as a chess grandmaster was pretty good, as far as i recall. Can't remember what it was called tho!
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the heavens have opened up like a champ.
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with the impressionable diane lane..
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whats sad is the films that opened this week will STILL make money..so why SHOULD hollywood try..if people flock en masse to TRANSFORMERS 2 and ECLIPSE, which are critcally reviled, they dont think anythings broke, so why fix it?they will blame everybody BUT themselves--the weather, the world cup, the president, the director. and when all else fails, they will reboot.
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i see why they rebooted spiderman--this guy is being paid 500K to act..while tobey was paid 4 mill.see, the producers say to the studio--ive already made you money!!
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dont wanna beall by myself!!!
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I was catching up on the Teddy and Vades sagas.Oh the drama.It's summer people. This cabin fever is about 4 months late.
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not cause of Rayden though.
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spectacle last summer in theaters. Honestly they aren't even trying to grab attention. Where is the disaster, the nostalgia, the monsters?Fuckin Bullshit? I don't even demand quality. Just entertain me."Are you not entertained?!"No. No I am not.
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he was the only one to figure out the 452 in my name.I'll catch you guys on the flippity flop.Don't take any guff from these swine.
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Mac, INCEPTION, EXPENDABLES, and TOY STORY 3 are the ones i'll be watching at some point this summer.
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...everyone seems to already have a big raging opinion about it.
Looks pretty nifty to me. -
...tomorrow. Naked, running Larissas are at stake. I want a happy ending to this story...
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but not enough to go see it. I like reading the TBs about THE LAST AIRBENDER and people saying "Nolan will save the summer!"
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but since you're in films and all, what would you have done if they gave you THE LAST AIRBENDER to make?
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Oh to be that cell phone. I'm pretty sure you can see the top of her nips in photo #7 of 10. I might actually have to watch some soccer.
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...I skipped the Nolan wars.
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...long and hard enough.
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I'm never all that excited about a movie about dreams. Mostly i like real world solutions to extraordinary problems. How would you rob a bank for instance. Heist and The Score, Heat. I learn shit from these movies.A security force that protects your dreams.....? High concept..I'm sure it will be well made and entertaining but the subject matter is bollocks.
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but I have only wanted it for a short while. i think i may have to distance myself from the whole thing in the interest of not jinxing it.DAMN!I was really looking forward to a game where a single point is scored.
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I hope Teddy comes back only he changes his name to WonderTits.That would be the coolest thing ever.
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Below is the real dream team... feast your eyes... http://tinyurl.com/23ylof2
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i'm just gonna post non-stop regardless of if anyone is responding or giving a shit.
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aint no thing. It is up to me to filter these things not you. Keep up the good url-ing.
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Mac, have you seen that one called THE BANK JOB? It stars Jason Statham and it's actually a period flick (I think 1960's London) - low key but actually well worth a watch if you like heist movies.
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Jul 02, 2010 9:23:22 AM CDT
Ugh! 2 more hours and the holiday weekend is in full effect
by macready452
I have to paint my house but I can do that with a beer close by and tomorrow it is all swimming, burgers, and booze. Fuck you 2 more hours.
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Mac, hehe! I'd have put nsfw but there are no nipples on show - just good wholesome family viewing!
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The dojo will be celebrating its birthday this weekend.
Corny as it sounds, I was indeed born on the 4th of July.
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I'll be honest...it didn't stick with me. I waited a long time til I finally saw it and then I was underwhelmed for some reason. If I recall it was based on a true story but I Still found it derivative. I probably need to revisit it. I like Statham so that isn't a big deal.
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...and not forever.
I was born to be king, but it ain't going to happen playing it safe.
I SECOND HIGHLANDER!
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I hate painting. My wife usually does most of the inside painting. I might help in tough to reach spots, but I mostly supervise and get on her nerves.
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Happy Birthday Cobes!Glad your dad saw it fit to roger your mom that one fateful day 9 months before the 4th of July.
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congratulations for ya! Just in case I don't see you before then.
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I have done a few of them and I have a few tips for ya.1. make sure your initial spacing is even and give yourself about a 1/4 inch away from the wall with spacers (or whatever the distance they recommend.)2. Don't force anything. Yes it should just snap together but it isn't always that simple. Make sure there aren't any remnants or debris in the joints. That can be a problem.3. Hopefully you are using a chop saw or table saw or at least a circular saw. Straight cuts can make a real difference sometimes.4. Get some kneepads. All the floor work can really bruise you up.It's not that hard. Good luck.
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i'll try and check in later. good Liberty day gents.
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...but not pergo. I've been a full time house painter at various times...mostly on old historic type houses. On those, the painting is the fun part...the icing on the cake. Before you get to paint you have to repair the siding and strip it all down to bare wood...oi!
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I'm sure it's rewarding, like you said.
I'm real impatient at times, when starting projects. I see what I want as the final product, I just hate the steps you have to take to get there. This flooring project will test my handyman (nonexistent) skills, as well as my patience (almost nonexistent).
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When accepting the Empire readers' Best Film award, self-deprecating screenwriter Andrew Kevin Walker said of Seven, "We thought it was just a pretentious slasher movie." And he ought to know because he went on to write Joel Schumacher's 8MM, which was just a pretentious slasher movie. Though it turned out to be the step beyond The Silence Of The Lambs that kept the flagging serial killer genre alive, Walker originally scripted Seven (or Se7en as the title appears on screen) as a low-budgeter along the lines of his work on video rental rack-fillers Brainscan (1994) or Hideaway (1995). This time gleefully exploring the Agatha Christiesque high concept (prefigured by the Belgian horror film Devil's Nightmare) of a string of murders based around the seven deadly sins.
The film became a more substantial project with the input of David Fincher, redeeming himself after the shaky directing of Alien 3.
Fincher, the major turn-of-the-millennium filmmaker, would develop the visual and thematic material of Seven in the underrated The Game (1997) and the near-masterpiece Fight Club (1999). He emphasises eerie nuances and character quirks over plot mechanics, with powerful assistance from Darius Khondji's cinematography (silvery rain and gray shadows) and the jagged editing of Richard Francis-Bruce (both taking cues from a distinctive and much-imitated title sequence designed by Kyle Cooper).
Together with Howard Shore's music and the slightly cesspool stylised performances, the effect is of a film that takes place at one remove from reality. Though set in the present day, the peripherals (typewriters, gramophone records) are slightly old-fashioned, while other design elements (police cars, uniforms) take a step towards the retro-noir style of Blade Runner or Lars von Trier's The Element Of Crime, transforming an unnamed, rainswept, desert-surrounded city into an annex of Hell.
The storyline goes beyond unlikely into deliberate realms of metaphysics, where a serial killer's elaborate spree — he has spent over a year setting up a plot apparently designed to warp the mind of a man he can only have been aware of for a week — is as much a philosophical exploration as a mad crime, intended to convince the cops on the case that the world is an infernal cesspool. Soon-to-retire homicide detective William Somerset (Freeman) and his idealistic but hotheaded replacement David Mills (Pitt) spend the last seven days of Somerset's career investigating a series of sin-themed murders: a hugely obese man forced to eat until his stomach bursts; a greedy lawyer made to slice off a pound of flesh, a slothful drug addict left tied to a bed for a year; a lustful hooker murdered by a John with a razor-edged dildo (the manufacturer mistook the killer for "a performance artist"); a vain woman mutilated and given the choice between survival as a mutilated freak or suicide.
The last two sins are taken care of in the finale as the envious killer "John Doe" (Spacey) reveals that he has decapitated Mills' pregnant wife Tracy (Paltrow) and Express-mailed the head to a desert location. The punchline, a despairing rewrite of the summary execution and badge-tossing of Dirty Harry, is that the wrathful Mills destroys his own soul ("David, if you kill him, he will win") in empty vengeance by gunning down Doe according to his demented plan.
Make-up supremo Rob Bottin creates truly hideous victims, Fincher cops a shock trick from the obscure 1981 zombie movie Dead And Buried as one apparent corpse turns out to be alive, and there's a Blade Runner-style chase-through-the-rainy-streets mid-way through the film to get some actual action on screen. But Fincher actually avoids acts of violence in favour of acts of investigation as the cops prowl the crime scenes and hit the libraries (when Somerset gives Mills a reading list of Chaucer and Dante, the younger man gets hold of Cliff Notes) trying to piece together the mind of the murderer.
In a lovely, paranoid touch, they get near Doe because the FBI has been secretly and illegally monitoring the library loans of every nutjob in the country. The message of all the killing is that the world is a truly vile place, and in their different ways both cops are forced to accept John Doe's awful argument. As the shattered Detective Mills is driven away, Somerset's voice-over muses, "Ernest Hemingway once wrote, 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part."
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For all its critical adoration, Wes Anderson's last film, the quirky 1998 comedy Rushmore, was a genuine love-it-or-loathe-it experience. Chances are that if you fell into the latter category, The Royal Tenenbaums will have a similar effect - for this is yet another reminder that a trip into Wes' world is riddled with offbeat eccentricities, damaged, dysfunctional characters and the kind of weird, wonderful comedy that comes along all too rarely.
While not a film for everybody, there's no doubt that this is a dazzlingly original piece of work. It's a more accomplished film than Rushmore, sharing many similar themes and ideas while at the same time taking the comic complexities of its characters to new levels.
Hackman, who nabbed a Golden Globe for his performance as the curmudgeonly Royal Tenenbaum, is as good here as he's ever been. When we first meet him, we learn through a narrator that he is now living in a hotel, away from his family. His wife, Etheline, who is being romanced by colleague Henry (Danny Glover) - the closest thing this film has to a 'normal' character - wants nothing to do with him, and his children blame him entirely for their hang-ups.
One-time financial whizz kid Chas, recently widowed, protects his two sons in a fortress-like setting; Margot, an award-winning playwright, hasn't put pen to paper for seven years; and former tennis ace Richie is on a boat in the middle of nowhere.
Royal's desire to be accepted as a parent serves as the catalyst to reunite these lost souls, who gather at the family home on learning he is dying and come to terms with their losses and repressed feelings.
None of this sounds like material for a rip-roaring comedy, but Anderson and Wilson's smart screenplay relies more on small subtleties, obtuse one-liners and quirks by the dozen, while never insulting the intelligence of its audience. And the sight gags are superb ù witness Richie mooching around in a headband, or Stiller dressing his sons in matching tracksuits exactly like the one he wears.
It's a testament to Anderson's pulling power that he can attract such a good team of players with only his third film, suggesting that he may well go on to rival the likes of Paul Thomas Anderson in the ensemble cast stakes.
While not everybody has a great deal to do, the whole cast is fabulous and every character is memorable - from Bill Murray as Paltrow's kindly but rather dull hubby, to Owen Wilson's inspired turn as a drug-addled novelist, desperate to be a part of the Tenenbaum clan. However, the wackiness is undercut with an element of pure poignancy, making the film's slower moments almost heartbreaking and reminding us that sometimes human tragi-comedy can be the most effective of all. While this isn't a world you would have any wish to inhabit, it's one you do find hard to leave. Yet for all its sadness, Anderson still comes up with a final pay-off which will leave you chuckling long after the credits roll.
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There is something clod-hopping about the name Blade Runner: The Final Cut. What does that absurdly clumsy subtitle imply we’ve been watching for the past 25 years: a rough assemblage? A two-hour trailer? Taken in conjunction with 1992’s ‘Director’s Cut’, has this been the movie world’s longest work-in-progress? With industry wags referring to “today’s cut of Ridley Scott’s science-fiction masterpiece”, perhaps the subtitle is intended as a promise rather than a recommendation - that this really will be the last time
we’re asked to shell out to enter the dystopian nightmare of Los Angeles in 2019.
It is, of course, the only clumsy thing about the film, which really
is a genuine masterpiece worth shelling out for again and again. One of Scott’s great strengths as a filmmaker is his impeccable sense of taste, and that, it seems, extends to his subsequent treatment of his films. The Final Cut is not an excuse for the pointless and indulgent reintroduction of deservedly binned scenes (see Coppola’s Apocalypse Now: Redux), or ex post facto fiddle-faddling (Spielberg’s timid removal of the guns in E. T.). In fact, this latest incarnation is better thought of as a meticulous and loving restoration rather than a new cut, with Scott carefully polishing, burnishing and primping up his finest film. After all, there really isn’t much to fix.
The changes the director has made are pretty minor, and so skilfully integrated into the print that you find yourself questioning whether moments you have in fact seen half a dozen times before are new additions. Most are in the form of tidying up, purging the irritants that have had Scott wincing for the past quarter of a century. Police chief M. Emmet Walsh has been conjured from the grave in order to correct himself and announce that there are four ‘skin-jobs’ on the loose, not five. When Zhora (Joanna Cassidy) is gunned down by Deckard (Harrison Ford) and sent flying through multiple plate-glass windows wearing not much more than a see-through PVC macintosh (surely one of the greatest amalgamations of sex and violence in cinema history), digital technology ensures that this time round she does not put on five stone, grow a couple of feet taller and transform into a lumbering stuntman.
More of interest to anyone other than continuity nerds, Scott beefs up the violence in Batty’s killing of his maker, Tyrell, the audience being treated to, if not lingering on, extended shots of Rutger Hauer’s thumbs plunging into the hapless industrialist’s
eye-sockets. What might seem an excuse for some audience titillation, or a concession to the intervening 25 years during which screen violence has become ever more graphic, actually improves both this scene and the subsequent ones. That’s because Blade Runner is a film all about eyes: the film begins with a brief shot of one; it’s the peepers that give away the replicants’ true nature (the only change that Scott has made that is less than happy is the conceit of having the replicants’ eyes randomly reflect and flare - it renders the Voight-Kampff test redundant); and in Batty’s death speech they are the organs through which he sees his famous “attack-ships on fire” and “C-beams glitter”. The added emphasis
on Batty’s point of attack surely not-coincidentally reinforces the film’s Oedipal echoes.
But it’s actually the passing of time that’s wrought more changes on the movie than Scott’s loving tinkering. All movies date, and science-fiction movies are inevitably more prone to the signs of ageing than any other genre. The innovations that filmmakers imagine stubbornly don’t, in fact, transpire (flying cars), while unheard-of inventions become everyday (mobile phones). Deckard’s zooming in on details of a photograph was an unthinkable leap of technological imagination in 1982, but now it looks like he’s working on an early shareware version of Photoshop. Meanwhile, the luminous green displays and clunky keyboards - apparently there are no mice in the future - look suspiciously like they’ve been cannibalised from a job-lot of BBC Acorns. Presumably Scott could have digitally ripped them out and installed replacements, but those too would inevitably date. Instead he sticks with the originals, giving the film a rich, Gilliamesque feel, in which old technology rubs shoulders with the new.
No, the real change, and the best reason to seek out The Final Cut on the biggest screen you can find, is the near miraculously improved quality of the print. Scanned frame by frame at ultra-high resolutions (it was rendered at 8,000 lines a frame - four times as dense as many other restorations, according to the distributors), the film looks utterly stunning. From Scott and ‘visual futurist’ Syd Mead’s tiny details, such as the funky novelty umbrellas with
their neon stems, to jaw-dropping vistas like the opening, fire-belching cityscape, it remains an unparalleled visual achievement.
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"I think some — a lot— of people enjoy it, and that's their prerogative," a grumpy Harrison Ford told the Boston Globe in 1991. "I played a detective who did no detecting. There was nothing for me to do but stand around and give some focus to Ridley's sets." Ah well, he didn't much enjoy being in Star Wars either, and some — a lot — of people enjoyed that, too. The truth is, few actors come off well in sci-fi movies if they feel that it's them versus the sets or them versus the director's imagination. As it is, Harrison Ford's apparent bemusement works perfectly within Ridley Scott's framework; his former blade runner Rick Deckard, though expert at "retiring" the almost-human androids known as replicants, spends most of the film bemused.
As he tracks down four escaped replicants (a detective doing "no detecting"?) in a darkly malevolent, incongrously rainy 2019 Los Angeles, he falls in love with femme fatale Rachel (Young), who is a replicant. And it's this tentative, enigmatic relationship that drives the film.
Blade Runner is possibly the most talked-about sci-fi movie ever made. It achieved this honour by being a failure on its original release, thus attaining the valuable sheen of a true cult (something that could never be said about Star Wars, despite the rapacity of its followers). When re-released theatrically in the form of a Director's Cut in 1992, it was reappraised by formerly sniffy critics, and more people paid to see it. The irony of this belated legitimisation is that the Director's Cut is more cryptic and ambiguous than the original, and — crucially to the sort of fan who roams the Internet — supported the popular theory that Deckard himself is a replicant.
There are actually only minor differences between the original and the Director's Cut (indeed, the tag is misleading, as it's actually a compromise between director and studio). Scott removed the explanatory voice-over and happy ending, both of which had been added after disastrous sneak previews. He also introduced a 12-second dream sequence involving a unicorn, which helps explain the significance of an origami unicorn that appears in the final sequence. Oddly, some of the extra frames of violence in the video version are now excised. While obsessive aficionados hotly debate the merits of each version (and whether Deckard is a replicant or not), the casual fan will glean enough pleasure just watching the film — any bloody version — and admiring its astonishing production values.
Scott's advertising background has, however, given him a unique sixth sense for overdoing it, hence the dusty light shafting through Venetian blinds; the pounding, backlit rain; and the kaleidoscopic colours, now the basic grammar of any filmmaker. The look of Blade Runner can be credited to production designer Lawrence G. Paull, "visual futurist" Syd Mead, art director David L. Snyder, cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth and ubiquitous FX man Douglas Trumbull. But the overall vision was Scott's: "a film set 40 years hence, made in the style of 40 years ago." (Note, by the way, how much warmer its pre-CGI effects are than those which dominate today.)
In H.G. Wells The Time Machine, Earth was divided into a clean, Aryan paradise above ground and a hellish, primitive netherworld beneath, a division that recurs constantly in movie sci-fi. In Blade Runner, the sleek and the ugly, the ancient and the modern, co-exist, just as they do in any big city today (the Ancient Egyptian grandeur of the Tyrell Corporation versus the dilapidated, leaky hulk of J.E Sebastian's building). Perhaps this is why Blade Runner's future is so compelling, and why it's still duplicated ad nauseum in rock videos and bank adverts.
But Blade Runner is more than a collection of stunning pictures. It oozes the type of allegory that will keep stoners up all night for years to come. Try this one for size: Batty (Hauer) is Jesus — after all, he sticks a nail through his hand and dies, releasing a dove as he does so — and Tyrell (Joe Turkel), referred to by Batty as his "maker", is God. This theory makes the replicants us. Well, humans are programmed, like replicants, to die from birth, a paradox encapsulated in the last line of the film: "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?" Stick that in your bong and smoke it.
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those essays should've been marked with SPOILER warnings.
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First off, I haven't seen much of the First Book (season) this movie is based off of. I've seen most, if not all, of Book 2 and a lot of Book 3. I've seen very little of the early stuff, but have seen the middle-to-end of Book 1, so I know how it ends. If I were making this movie, there are three things I would do that it sounds like Shyamalan did NOT. 1. I would NOT change the pronunciations of the characters' names just to put my own stamp on the movie. 2. I would not change the epic ending of the 1st season finale, an end that was practically written for cinematic badassness. 3. I would have kept the movie FUN. In the series, the characters have fun. They crack jokes. One of the main characters is comic relief. There is a fun interaction between the kids. One has a crush on the other. One just wants to have fun and doesn't want this crushing responsibility. Shyamalan does NOT do fun well. In fact, he doesn't do fun at all. When has he ever done "fun" in any of his previous movies? It sounds like he sucked all the life out of this adaptation. The other thing I would have done is made this a longer, more epic movie with more characters and subplots. The series is great. Lots of recurring characters and themes which means a first movie is a great chance to do lots of foreshadowing and setups that pay off later. Make this close to a 3 hour movie. Drop the exposition. Ramp up the fun. Make it a great film for people of all ages. You've got action, drama, spectacle, special effects, comedy, and romance all wrapped up there waiting for you. I probably would have used the creator's treatment as a base starting point, because I'd like to adapt it myself too, but I wouldn't totally trash it. I'm going to go see the movie this afternoon. I have to see this trainwreck in action, even if it gives the movie more money. I'll come back later with my thoughts on how I'd do it better.
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when he was talking about bees to his class.
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I JUST commented about it in Harry's talkback for The Last Airbender. Its like a fucking parody of himself, the way his voice rises with inflection. He's just about to say "Say hi to your mother for me" at the end. I always wanted to edit that scene and end it with Nic Cage yelling about the bees in The Wicker Man remake.
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Hope you're getting a break from drama today.
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I see the document I sent you converted poorly in a couple of places. A couple of lines break weirdly. If you have any questions with initials I used to denote who nominated what or how I abbreviated the names of the films, just lemme know.
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Though when I got up this am, she was still here. Earlier this week I wanted to spend time with her tonight since tomorrow I'll be with old highschool and college friends (one is my ex gf). So I asked her if she had plans tonight and she said she was going to eat dinner with her family. No invite for me. Ouch. All I can think is that she's going to tell them she wants me to move out. And I'm sure they'll try and convince her to not do it. I guess, I dunno. I need to feel better so I'm going to do the one thing I LOVE that I haven't done in AGES bc my gf doesn't like going to see movies. I'm going to the theater. And I'm going to see The Last Airbender. I'll be back Subs. We'll catch up then.
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yeah his inflections in that film when hes trying to figure out whats going on?talking to the police, his zooey, his friends..preyty funny but also offputting because of the rest of the tone is trying to be so far from that.i also like the subplot of the kids that tag along to the countryside house. DO YOU LIKE HOTDOGS?
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i was gonna ask about the initials for people..
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you'll need the power of to survive THE LAST AIRBENDER, me thinks.
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and no pudenda can tame him!!!
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D.Vader, if you don't want any more relationship advice from the dojo then pls tell me to shut it... but if you do then...
GET YOUR ASS TO A FLORIST!
Arrange for a nice bouqet of flowers with a suitably worded message from yourself to be delivered to her parents house at 8pm (or whenever they eat dinner).
You will blow her brain. Her parents will think you're the perfect guy for their daughter. And before you know it you'll be having awesome 'back together again' sex.
In short my man... the best $40 dollars you'll ever spend.
These guys have been counselling you to accept that it's time to 'move on', i'm counselling you to win her back.
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Jul 02, 2010 12:49:15 PM CDT
I have a feeling that Airbender is not gonna improve Vades mood
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I'm also counselling you NOT to go see fucking AIRBENDER. Abort! Abort!
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go to her parent's house at dinner time and blast a boombox of you and her's favorite song, a la SAY ANYTHING
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Shit, I think it's too late. Vader's gone to seek solace and joy in the warm embrace of the silver screen... little knowing the joyless Shymalan clusterfuck that awaits him.
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I've already been sucked into the blackhole!
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and not generic AICN hate.
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and I won't have to worry about laying eyes on that film.
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like the nachos and bon bons they sell at the theater? or your buying Wendy's and sneaking it in?
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it cant be that bad..i think im gonna go too...**puts on lemming suit and starts walking towards sea cliff**
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bring the astroglide as well.
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yeah ST. I guarantee it aint no 3/5 movie so why bother.I gotta get going on that painting I was supposed to be doing. The procrastibation has gone on to long.
pro·cras·ti·bate
/proʊˈkræstəˌneɪt, prə-/ Show Spelled [proh-kras-tuh-beyt, pruh-] Show IPA verb, -nat·ed, -nat·ing: to waste time jerking off.For those of you who don't watch Tosh.0 -
sounds just like me. Uh...
*eyes dart back and forth*
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THE ROMANSFIRST DOCTORSEASON 2. STORY 12.the doctor and companions travel to ancient rome and integrate with the peoples. while the doctor and vicki are snooping about rome, ian and barbara are attacked and kidnapped by slave traders, to be sold.en route to rome, doctor and vicki stumble across a dead man and inadvertantly take his identity when a centurion happens across them. he takes them to the city because the dead man was a musician who was supposed to play for the caesar, before he was assassinated by the centurion.still with me? good.ok where were we? ian ends up being sold as a gladiator and his first opponent--FUCKING LIONS! why couldnt it be woody strode? meanwhile, barbara is sold to a nice slave owner (are there any other kind?) and helps her find her friends and escape.on the doctor front, he is ordered to play the lyre for NERO in a funny bit--the doctor doesnt know how to play so he makes the crowd believe he plays the sweetest melody that only the most sophisticated ears can hear..the crowd applauds, but nero calls him on his bullshit and orders his death.is this the end of the good doctor? fuck no it aint. in the end, nero inadvertanely gets the idea to burn rome because of the doctor and the giddy caesar stays his execution and lets him and his companions free as rome burns. all in all, a really good serial, with an emphasis on hilarity, one assumes this is the effect og vicki. time will tell.NEXT: THE WEB PLANET.
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I'll write up a full review here soon. Except I walked in and the girlfriend is here, home way early, with music on and talking on the phone to her friend. Didnt expect that.
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i thought you meant she was at the movies..AIRBENDER saves relationships.
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Especially considering she has no desire to see it, and she always got annoyed when she'd come home to find me watching it last fall. Not my fault they'd play 2 hour marathons around the time she got off work.
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Today on my way in to work I was listening to the local sports channel and one of the guys, Angelo Cataldi, was making the same criticism of M Night that I have: that he has no sense of humor or irony, his films are somber and joyless affairs and that he takes himself way too seriously. His characters are overwrought and two-dimensional. He hasn't made a good film since 6th Sense and Unbreakable. Cataldi also asked who are the idiots that are still giving this guy $150 million budget.
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Get off of here and wait for her to get off the phone, and see what the agenda is for the evening?
Don't say "What are you doing tonight?"
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THE WEB PLANETFIRST DOCTOR. SEASON 2. SERIAL 13.it was bound to happen eventually. i just couldnt get into this one. i think it had something to do with the costumes and effects..which look like remnants of an ed wood film.the TARDIS is pulled to a planet magnetically and of course they cant leave, due to the fact that a creature known as the animus keeping them there with its magnetic forces. some other aliens are approaching the planet and the animus thinks its being attacked, which is only HALF true. stated earlier, i just couldnt get into this one..the sets were very DOGVILLE-esque and the costumes were laughably bad. they obviously were striving for nonhumanoid aliens but couldnt get past the bipedal part.better luck next time.NEXT: THE CRUSADE
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running through these so fast? Aren't some of these serials a group of 30 minutes shows? You get enough free time to see these?
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Procrastination is my friend
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Off to have drinks with a female co-worker saying no to dinner with her family. Though she did inform me the 4th of July party is going to be an all weekend affair that she planned on attending, implying I would not be invited this year.
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She says. Last time that "later" turned out to be 7 hours later. So I asked "Late-later or later?" And she got all huffy "I don't know. Its friday I've got nothing to do, nowhere to be." Code for: Fuck off, home when I feel like it.
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Jul 02, 2010 4:14:04 PM CDT
...I don't know what the right thing to do would be, but...
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...I think I'd have to try to get very busy doing something all of a sudden.
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That's just cold.
At this point, just live there until she kicks you out. I dunno what she is doing. Of course, we don't know her at all, only what you've told us. It sounds like (to me) she's giving you the cold shoulder , ignoring you, maybe signaling you to "get the point" and move out? I dunno...but that's weird how she's totally flipped on you and barely is talking to you. -
roommates more than exclusive couple. How do you shrug off your significant other? Wouldn't you do things with your bf/gf on the weekend? on a friday night?
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but I'd say "Sorry for caring about your safety when you were out until 3am. Because, you know, that's what happens when someone loves someone else. They want to be with them and care for them."
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this situation screams "Roadtrip out west into the mountains for self-discovery"
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...the better part of a week...let things cool off. I'd try to let her know in no uncertain terms that we'd talk about things when I got back. Worst case scenario I'd leave her a note...then I'd split.
When I came back I'd try to be very calm...ask her if she's changed her mind or has anything else to add.
Then I'd do whatever needs to be done right away. If I was leaving I'd try to not stay another night.
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So I saw The Last Airbender today and it felt soooo good to be back in a dark movie theater doing what I love. I was annoyed at first, however, because I rushed to the theater and didn't have time to get lunch. I saw the snack stand had a meal combo with a buffalo chicken flatbread sandwich, so I ordered that. They didn't tell me it would take 7-10 minutes to cook, so I'm standing there for 10 minutes knowing I'm missing some cool previews (I really wanted to see Harry Potter on the bigscreen), and I was afraid I'd miss the beginning of the movie. Luckily, it seems I caught most of the trailers. Got to see the one for "Rango" again, and I'm really digging the look of that movie, moreso than any other recent CGI flick. Love the shot of the guys riding roadrunners in slow motion across the setting sun. Anyway, also saw The Green Hornet trailer. For some reason it reminds me of the trailer for the "Shaft" remake all those years ago. So the movie starts, and it starts with the exact same opening that the cartoon does- a full body shot of a different bender bending the elements. Here, however, it looked kind of hokey and very staged... like someone on a stage performing, the light just giving the performer enough edge so you can see their faces and costumes. I think it would have worked much better Sin City total silhouette style. Also, it didn't have the same narration as the cartoon and didn't make mention that the Fire Nation had started a war. They just mention War and its up to us later to discover who the bad guys are. Also, there is no map of the world shown, so we never get a full idea of just where all these Nations are situated. I don't really want to go into a plot summary, so I'll just address what most critics have complained about. First off, this isn't a fun movie. The cartoon had a lot of fun moments, lots of light-heartedness next to serious epic moments. This could have used the skilled touch of someone used to making family movies. Pacing- Definitely, this had a very weird pacing to it. Things moved by too fast. You had the Grand Moff Tarkin character constantly ending up back at the Fire Nation's capital to talk to the Emperor (The Fire Lord), which made it seem like the locations were too conveniently close together. Also, there was a LOT of voiceover narration, and that's always a bad choice. You don't need voiceover to explain shit. Just SHOW US. Don't tell us that Sokka, the narrator's brother, is spending lots of time with the Water Tribe's princess. SHOW us them flirting. Show us that instant attraction. ACTING- Not that bad either. I really do blame Shyamalan for the performances, but they're not terrible. They're just... average. The new kids do well enough. Aang, when he first arrives, shows hints of that fun-loving kid from the series, happy, excited, ready to play. But once he finds out his people are dead, its all deadly serious from then on out. Pretty emo. But we know he has the capacity to play Aang as he was in the tv show. Shyamalan just didn't let it happen. Dev Patel and Shaun Taub get the best parts and act the best as well. Taub's character in the cartoon is a favorite. The well-meaning, balanced, good-natured "villain" from the evil Fire Nation who is the only one thinking clearly in the whole story. the Daily Show's Aasif Mandvi does a serviceable job as the Grand Moff Tarkin character. He's not funny. He didn't remind me of The Daily Show and how funny he can be. I don't understand criticisms lobbied against him. He's not a very menacing villain, that's for sure. We never see him do anything evil until the fabled "fish-punching" scene. What he is, however, is a DICK. An UBER-dick. A total douchebag. The entire movie, he's a prick. He's the kind of guy who passive-agressively insults you to your face, in front of all the soldiers, knowing its pissing you off, but also knowing you can't do anything about it because he's the one in charge. So, he doesn't play a scary villain. He just plays a mean-spirited asshole. I don't blame him for that; its how the part was written. The Special Effects- Pretty awesome. The Music- Not James Newton Howard's best, but pretty great all the same, *especially* during the climactic moment when Aang takes on the Fire Nation all by himself at the end. The End- Aang doesn't go bugnuts insane in the Avatar State the way he does in the cartoon, which is incredibly disappointing, because its such an epic and cinematic moment in the source material. Here, its still an epic moment, but man, knowing what it COULD have been (not spoiling unless you ask), is a disappointment. On the whole, it was just an average movie. The voiceover is annoying. The first battles are kind of "meh", because they are treated as being very "meh" by the characters. Aang and his friends liberate an Earth Nation prison, and all the characters act like its no big deal. We then get a montage of them liberating other imprisoned villages, but it never feels like it has real weight. Then there's the bizarre dialogue and shot choices. In one scene, we see Sokka and Katara shot with a closeup two-shot of their faces as they engage in conversation with Aang. Aang meanwhile is shot in an extreme closeup, his face dominating the screen. For the WHOLE conversation. Why? Its stifling to only see that onscreen during such an inconsequential dialogue scene. What they discussed wasn't THAT important. Did Shyamalan not shoot enough coverage and that's all he had? And since when do people constantly use other people's names in conversation? I can't tell you how many times the girl, Katara, says "Aang" when she's already talking to him. I know I've never faced someone and said "What is it (enter name here)" if it wasn't the first thing I said to them. We get a scene like this: Sokka- "What's going on?" Aang (looking worried)- "We have to go." Katara- "What is it, Aang?" It just feels weird. The Fight Scenes- They were okay. M Night used a LOT of the same types of shots from 300, the overcranked slow-motion tracking shots, then the speedups and the zoom-ins all in the same take. Sometimes it worked very well. Other times it was just okay. With one on one fights, I could tell he needs some more practice in shooting martial arts. One shot was a waist up shot the entire time as a character fought off a group on his own. Made it hard to see what was going on, really. In the end, though, this did NOT feel like a Shyamalan movie at all. No signature Shyamalan long-takes or creative camera angles. There was one or two that were kinda cool, the camera following a fire attack on Katara, moving and swaying towards her like the serpentine flame. But that's all. As it ended, I thought about how maybe Chris Columbus should have taken this. Well, not HIM because he has major problems with pacing sometimes too, and for having really childish scenes (I am glad most of this was serious), but I feel he would have at least brought some *fun* to the picture. But its not a total wash. I don't get the critics bashing this. As others have suggested, maybe they're getting their anger out because Twilight Eclipse isn't as bad as they hoped it was. Or maybe its lingering resentment towards M. Night Shyamalan (who I never noticed in the film, though he must have a cameo somewhere). But the bashing is undeserved. Other than some aspects of bad dialogue and bad shot choice, some awkward pacing, and voice over narration, its not a *bad* flick. In Clash of the Titans, you had characters contradicting themselves with actions scene after scene. You had relationships that made zero sense, characters and settings that made zero sense, and overall it was extremely schizophrenic and poor. At least in this movie, everyone acts as they've been set up and have consistent motivations. That for me makes it the better movie. And one more thing, by the end of the film, I really did feel for the kid, Aang the Avatar. In the end, I did feel the crushing weight on his shoulders as he accepts his responsibility as the Avatar, that he must save the world and never have a normal life. I felt that. That's a success for Shyamalan and it has to be said. But still, why the hell would he mispronounce everyone's name? I still don't get that. End credits are pretty freakin' cool too.
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the movie surprisingly cheered you up a bit, and you come back and find yourself back in it?Here's what I'd like you to do.Stop worrying so much about her and her plans and think about yourself. Expecting she doesn't want to be included, how would you like to spend your holiday weekend? Visit friends? Your family? Or, since you'll have the house to yourself for the weekend, plan a marathon work-and-or-play session? Whatever. And then do it. Keep busy. Don't beat yourself up or fuss over anything, related to the relationship. Treat yourself well. Find some time to busy your hands and your mind with something you've wanted to accomplish.Drama'll make you sick. There'll always be time for regrets and second guesses.And remember, disregard any advice you hear from anybody, at any time, if you don't agree with it.
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Not because of his gf problems. I'm sure he can handle that. But because he is seeing the LAST AIRBENDER. Everything I have read and heard says it will make you want to put a bullet in your head.
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One I'd been wanting to read for a long time. So that's good.
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And it seems to have cheered him up.
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Well done. Dicussing a much-demonized movie by concentrating on its movie-ish elements, its weaknesses and strengths, instead of your personal affection for a childhood toy.Harry could learn something from you, sir.
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for AICN.
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It was fantastic being away in a theater not having to think about anything. As I pulled into the neighborhood, I thought how I didn't really want to be there in that house. I'd rather go see another movie. But since the gf will be gone tonight, maybe I'll do my typical friday night routine the past few months (because she's usually been gone on fridays): Order a pizza and watch a movie.
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For A PERFECT GETAWAY.
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sounds like an awesome plan.
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After the last breakup, I almost went to Japan. Almost went to NYC to live with a friend for a few months. Almost just got up and drove to New Orleans bc I'd never been there and thought I'd just get a hotel for a weekend. I ended up going to Italy with family instead. I'm sure I'll end up doing something similar here soon. Either out to LA. Maybe NYC since I have friends there for the summer. Maybe Austin. We'll see. Depends on the money. But if I'm in Atlanta working on The Vampire Diaries sporadically, I'll have more $$ but less time.
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That was a rushed review for sure (this one, not Perfect Getaway). Reading back over it, I wish I had taken more time to give it some more structure, and a "The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, (And the Weird)" segment.
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That's always been my go-to.But don't stay isolated, either. Find out if there's a holiday art fair or free concert or anything that gets you out in a crowd. Go to a bar and smile at the prettiest girl there. If she smiles back, buy her a drink. If she doesn't, smile at the second prettiest girl there. When you're talking to her - probably the third or fourth prettiest girl there - don't mention anything. Tell her you're free to go watch fireworks.Or go to a pool.Or barbecue a chicken.
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I haven't seen much of Book 1, so I can't say too much about what was cut out in favor of this or that. But yeah, Harry's reviews suck a lot of the time. You guys see his Eclipse review? Fucking garbage.
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What is this, you doubting my good looks =P.
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And thanks!
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Flawed but alright.
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I'm assuming #1 already is with someone.
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Slashfilm is reporting that after the disastrous reviews for movies with 3D conversion processes, future "3D" movies may not get released that way. Thank God.
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I take that back. Looks like Zach Snyder may put his foot down against WB in releasing Sucker Punch in 3D. Good for him.
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... The female bar-crowd group.
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Start with the fifth or sixth prettiest girl. Talk to her (don't buy her a drink, the one thing I learned working on "The Pick-Up Artist"), and then move off and talk the the third or fourth prettiest girl who say you talking to the 5th or 6th.
Once the second prettiest girl sees you talking to two other pretty girls, including the 3rd or 4th, go over and talk to her.
Now the prettiest girl is going to be wondering who is this guy talking to every pretty girl, including her number one competitor. So now you can go over and talk to her.
And the beauty is if the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th is not biting, as long as you don't make an ass out of yourself and get a horrible reaction, and make her smile and laugh, you can just go back down and get the lower number girl because she now knows you are in demand.
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I forgot to mention #4 is usually a lesbian, but it doesn't matter. You're just looking for companionship for the fireworks.
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I always feel as if I'm using Miss Fifth or Sixth, though, when I do that. I mean, who do I think I am? Mr. Seventeenth?As if.
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What can I say, I am a very good teacher.
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I think mac said one of his hot colleagues moved to Charlotte. She's an anchorwoman I think
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But he said you could bounce quarters off her ass and she's new in town..any welcoming parties on the news. Prolly morning or prime time
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I'm really worried. Not just that you're having a lousy time of it (GF not Avatar), but that of everyone's well-meaning advice, it's pretty much all (except for a bit by Flick) cut & run, it's over, don't waste any more time sorta stuff. I'm not trying to have a go at any of my friends here, everything we're all saying is meant to protect you from being any more miserable than you already are. BUT...
Considering that the whole thing started with you guys NOT talking properly and her not accounting properly for her actions, and that she WON'T talk to you being the source of the drama, nobody's really imploring you to have one almighty sit-down and TALK this thing out PROPERLY.
The avoidance and her talking in bytes isn't helping at all, is it? I'm not one for the therapyspeak, but what I do know after 13 years of marriage is that my wife hates talking about/confronting uncomfortable topics. And that every time we avoid talking it all gets 10 times worse. Guaranteed.
You need to get her to sit down with you and have it all out. If she's made up her mind (and it seems like she has), then at least you'll know for SURE that she was being a nightmare and things were unsalvageable. Or that you absolutely need to get out of there because she's being completely unreasonable. Instead of this bullshit disingenuous behaviour where she's doing the passive-aggressive thing and hoping you'll just get out without her having to face up to actually being honest and saying anything. It's a bullshit situation, dude. And talking it out is the ONLY thing that will leave ANY of the friendship you shared as kids. You'll both know exactly where you stand.
But if you let her give you the cold shoulder without having to face up & be honest about what's bugging her so much, then you'll never even have those old memories as the uncertainty of the situation will never be resolved. You'll always be unsure of what the hell happened and why did you leave even though you didn't know what the hell was going on with her. If this has been a long time coming, confirm it. If she's been too gutless to be honest enough with you, confirm it. Have the almighty, painful, angry, (sober) converstaion/argument/showdown.
That'll give her something to think on while she's partying with her family without you. And you'll know for certain whether there's anything to salvage, whether she's being unreasonable, or whether it truly is time to go. It won't be easy, but shit, you're already miserable.
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but that things have changed and it can't continue, you'll know that for sure too.
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disingenuous bullshit, apart from a few great points. Talk about going in with an agenda! Jesus! And yeah, spoileriffic if you haven't seen them.
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where they all written by the same person?
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Oy, Oy, Oy!
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... almighty I hate those horrible fight/conversations that get down to the sticky part close to the bone where it really hurts...but sometimes, it has to happen.
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Jul 02, 2010 10:53:36 PM CDT
...I'd still give it time to air out though. Worst advice I eve
by flickapoo
...got was the old "don't go to bed angry" bullshit.
In my experience, nothing...and I mean nothing...gets better after 2 a.m. It only ever gets worse.
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And when you are raising children.I guess, aside from just a general concern that Vades covers himself, I'm mindful of the fact that he says this has been going on since march. That's a very long time to have been suffering miscommunications when you're not bound by marriage or common goals. Sometimes it wouldn't hurt to get out of the way of all that, with the idea that you'll return to it later.And, as I've been repeatedly saying, he should just disregard all of our advice and do what feels appropriate to him.
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Always means that angry kiss goodnight with a little biting involved.It's a little hot, admit it.
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Haven’t caught up…how is everybody…? I never go to bed angry…I’m way too drunk at night to stay angry….
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Beat IT...Beat IT!!!!
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Jul 02, 2010 11:33:46 PM CDT
I like it best with both people hate each other Cheeses
by continentalop
I'm a sick fuck, I know.
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But the pheromones are there and you both want to “bang” the other’s brains out…Yeah, I like that, too…
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Jul 02, 2010 11:40:52 PM CDT
I recomend that D. Vader get one good Grudge Fuck....
by cheeses_of_nazareth
in before it's over...But, NO surprise sexing...
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Jul 02, 2010 11:42:42 PM CDT
...I like it after you've mostly made up, but there are...
by flickapoo
...still angry feelings to sweat out.
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at the pick Cobra linked to this morning....dream team indeed!
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and wake up just fine. But we try not to go to bed angry
But we did get into a fight about Pergo tonight at Lowe's.
I apologized before she rolled over to go to sleep. This typing will probably piss her off though.
We did get an extra 15% off the flooring, on top of the 15% sale price. My wife didn't even know she did that. She kept thinking the price was wrong, and I'm telling her to shut up, just let her check us out. Then she thought I was getting angry at her. Which got her mad at me. -
http://page3.com/girl/keeley_hazell/index.shtml
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everyone. Take it all in, and use all or none of it. Just do what your heart tells you.
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is the same chick, just cloned a bunch of times? No wonder their tits all look the same size.
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Jul 02, 2010 11:51:28 PM CDT
...yeah, but just wait till you two get to christen that floor..
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...interlocking pieces indeed!
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H E A V E N
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christening the new floor just sounds...painful
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for an hour trying to reach 377
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...a Page3 girl. I think you're just a little younger than I am...you might not remember the 80s single "Touch Me". That song made a man of me.
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started feeling old. We asked why. He's trying out a hearing aid to see if he likes it. Has a tiny hearing loss in his left ear. I didn't even know he was wearing it, and it's an around the ear one.
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have a happy and safe 4th if I don't see ya.
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Take your time and it will give you decades of enjoyment. I've had real hardwood and Pergo, installed both, and by far I was more satisfied with the Pergo....NO SCRATCHES!!!!And almost 30% off???? Cool...
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oh yeah!!!! The stuff wet dreams were made of back then.
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Mmmmmmmmmm....
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THe lady totaled it up, and my wife didn't like the total, and said "I think we're supposed to get 15% off the flooring" and the lady got confused because the register wasn't letting her put 15% in (it had already taken it out) so she had a manager come by to override. I noticed the error and just kept my mouth shut.
We had a 10% off coupon at home that she forgot to put in her purse, so I thought "eh, we were going to get 10% off anyway, what's an extra 15."
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Yeah Subs, you're right. We're all concerned about our mate, but in the end it is his decision.
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Hadn't thought about her in decades. That bloody "song"!
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We're definitely old now.
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no need to bookmark it and have "the reaper" find it.
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and i mean it
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I actually DID do the kick my wife's foot under the table one time to get her to keep schtum.
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nobody goes to Hell for somebody elses cash register mistake....
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with a mate who hadn't seen it. Damn is that a fantastic movie. This is the third time I've watched it, and I just love that it holds up no matter which metaphors or analogies you impose on it yourself. Just great stuff. The "tabula rasa" thing re: Oskar didn't occur to me 'til last night though. I'm a bit slow when it comes to subtext...
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...ST, I'll let you get acquainted...and then we can talk about our favorites. It's like trading cards!
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awesome. Night all (For real)
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We had our fireworks a couple of weeks back for the stupid ol' Queen's birthday. Hanging out until we get the real independence day most Aussies have wanted for years.
And one thing I do is that I buy my wife shoes instead of flowers. They last longer, and I'm a fashion bitch too, so there's that. Should make sure to not get the painful pointy ones though. In case of under the table paybacks.
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Jul 03, 2010 12:30:41 AM CDT
Whitey...Queen's Birthday is a National Holiday?
by cheeses_of_nazareth
So, the date of the celebration will change when William takes the throne?
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it's not easy to masturbate when the wife is asleep next to you...But, it can be done...
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Long weekend for most. But when you work for yourself there's no such thing! Same goes for weekends. Dunno about the date changing. I don't think it's her actual birthday, just a week in June. Sorta slides around. But the Commonwealth really doesn't mean much to us. We haven't been a nation of convicts for a long, long time. And there was never a treaty with the Aboriginals. And finally, we're so multicultural the Queen really has no bearing on anything. Certainly she has even less power than even in her own country.
We did have a referendum a few years back, but traditionally Liberal governments are VERY old-fashioned and British, and the whole thing was a farce. The people demanded a referendum, but when the government gave in they'd worded it in such a way as to be essentially redundant. Something like "Are you open to the IDEA of a referendum on Commonwealth/British rule/ties/whatever. Bah. The Prime Minister at the time was an arsehat who was cast in the mold of an old "mother-country" loving, Churchill type called Menzies, who pushed us into Vietnam to keep up ties with ww2 allies, even though Vietnam had fuck-all to do with us. Then the Aussie soldiers got stuck with green U.S. troops who did moronic things like chew gum, use deodorant and smoke fucking cigarettes - all things that the enemy could smell a mile away and would get them fucking killed. I'm not blaming green U.S. grunts who had made the bravest decision of their lives, of course, but their fuckwit superiors, both Oz and U.S.. At least the Kiwis had the guts to stand up to the big boys when it came to Nuclear vessels in the 80s. Unlike our gutless, sycophantic leaders.
We just got our first female Prime Minister, but I don't know if she's gonna rock the boat. She certainly didn't take the opportunity to kick out our moron of an I.T. minister, who is going all-out advocating an internet filter/fascistic censorship at the I.P. level, just like China. WHile hypocritically blasting Google for their data-gathering antics with the streetview fiasco. Bah! -
Oh well....never miss an opportunity to party...I'm out man, early day tomorrow...
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Did I ever tell you about how Heath Ledger used to be totally angling for Max? He sure coulda handled the jittery intensity...
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Cheesey Man!
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I see you all had a lovely time surfing some titty-sites last night.
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Not the kid you wanted, huh, Ess?
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it will be a complete reboot.That cracks me up for some reason.
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acceptable alternative to JGL. Now this leaves JGL free to pursue the Mad Max role! It's a win-win!
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you were once rooting for.Bad memory. My brain serves only one purpose anymore - drains pasta, nicely.
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I think he's prettier than Mel was.
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I still do. He would have been wicked good. Like I said, though, at least they went with a no-name. He certainly LOOKS the part.
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Next to Christopher Plummer.
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Isn't he the guy who makes tee-shirts?I don't see it. Not unless they rough him up a bit, first. Although it's true, Gibson was boyish, too, when that series began. Almost seems like a completely different person than the foul-mouthed, wrinkled and altogether alcoholically-pickled Gibson we know today.
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after 50, I thought.At 22, I couldn't remember names of kids I went to high school with.
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Her grandmother spoiled her rotten, which made returning to real life a bit trying for her... and, therefore, for us. After commuting to work from CT all last week, I was fried... I had to take the last 2½ days of this last week off to recuperate. This working mom bit is TIRING. On a completely different note... remember that story you were talking to Flick about? Your idea for a kids' book?
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in the hopes he would snatch them up for himself and realize them, but he's got his own projects.
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He was the bad guy in star trek nemesis and in Bronson and in rock n rolla. I can see why they picked him--inexpensive and some good acting chops
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at least that resumé implies he can pull off "tough." I've only seen internet photos of him, and, like Ess said, he looks pretty.
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skipping around and singing that old Sister Sledge "We Are Family" disco song.I estimate they are no more than sevenish. Where would they have learned that song?Really cute. Holding hands and singing, top of their lungs, and they don't care if the old man upstairs hates disco or not.
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And I have to bolt... I really, REALLY wanted to go to the flea market today. I lost my wedding ring swimming with L'il Ess last weekend (my great-grandmother's ring, actually. It was big and thick... it looked like the One Ring. I am still so bummed about it.) Anyway, I need to find a cheapie replacement, too many guys last week noticed I wasn't wearing a ring. Peace be unto all Peeberkind!
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Public pool or lake or is there still a chance it may be found?Such a bummer!Good luck!
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1- Swamped with current/future projects and childcare duties.
2- Not very good with story. I'll see a place, a character, a mood...but I really struggle with What Happens Next. I almost always draw a complete blank. Hell, nothing even happened in my few MAN ON THE CAN contributions...nothing but moody interludes. Left to me, that poor man would have never left the can...
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But, too late for you, buddy. These things don't just sit around, you know. Somebody else just comes along and snatches 'em up! Snoozer!
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Jul 03, 2010 1:02:41 PM CDT
News of The Day: You'd Mistake It ForThe Real Thing, Dept.
by subtitles_off
'Cause it's made out of wax, and it doesn't do anything, either...
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RIP Ilene Woods, the voice of Disney's Cinderella, 81.
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Sreep and Depp may be cast to play what, now?
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Jul 03, 2010 1:14:20 PM CDT
News of The Day: TV's MostAnnoying Talk-Show Hosts, Dept.
by subtitles_off
It's hard to argue with this list, but - come on - did they stop at six just so they wouldn't piss off Oprah, Dr. Phil, Glenn and Sean?
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Ebert Rating: ***½ (out of 4)
By Roger Ebert Dec 21, 2001
Wes Anderson's "The Royal Tenenbaums" exists on a knife edge between comedy and sadness. There are big laughs, and then quiet moments when we're touched. Sometimes we grin at the movie's deadpan audacity. The film doesn't want us to feel just one set of emotions. It's the story of a family who at times could have been created by P.G. Wodehouse, and at other times by John Irving. And it's proof that Anderson and his writing partner, the actor Owen Wilson, have a gift of cockeyed genius.
The Tenenbaums occupy a big house in a kind of dreamy New York. It has enough rooms for each to hide and nurture a personality incompatible with the others. Royal Tenenbaum (Gene Hackman), the patriarch, left home abruptly some years before and has been living in a hotel, on credit, ever since. There was never actually a divorce. His wife Etheline (Anjelica Huston) remains at home with their three children, who were all child prodigies and have grown into adult neurotics. There's Chas (Ben Stiller), who was a financial whiz as a kid; Margot (Gwyneth Paltrow), who was adopted, and won a big prize for writing a school play, and Richie (Luke Wilson), once a tennis champion.
All three come with various partners, children and friends. The most memorable are Raleigh St. Clair (Bill Murray), a bearded intellectual who has been married to Margot for years but does not begin to know her; Eli Cash (Owen Wilson), who lived across the street, became like a member of the family, and writes best-selling Westerns that get terrible reviews; Henry Sherman (Danny Glover), who was Etheline's accountant for 10 years until they suddenly realized they were in love, and such satellites as Pagoda (Kumar Pallana), Royal's faithful servant (who once in India tried to murder Royal and then rescued him from ... himself ...) and the bellboy Dusty (Seymour Cassel), who impersonates a doctor when Royal fakes a fatal illness.
Trying to understand the way this flywheel comedy tugs at the heartstrings, I reflected that eccentricity often masks deep loneliness. All the Tenenbaums are islands entire of themselves. Consider that Margot has been a secret smoker since she was 12. Why bother? Nobody else in the family cares, and when they discover her deception they hardly notice. Her secrecy was part of her own strategy to stand outside the family, to have something that was her own.
One of the pleasures of the movie is the way it keeps us a little uncertain about how we should be reacting. It's like a guy who seems to be putting you on, and then suddenly reveals himself as sincere, so you're stranded out there with an inappropriate smirk. You can see this quality on screen in a lot of Owen Wilson's roles--in the half-kidding, half-serious way he finds out just how far he can push people.
The movie's strategy of doubling back on its own emotions works mostly through the dialogue. Consider a sort of brilliant dinner-table conversation where Royal tells the family he has cancer, they clearly don't believe him (or care), he says he wants to get to know them before he dies, the bitter Chas says he's not interested in that, and Royal pulls out all the stops by suggesting they visit their grandmother. Now watch how it works. Chas and Richie haven't seen her since they were 6. Margot says piteously that she has never met her. Royal responds not with sympathy but with a slap at her adopted status: "She wasn't your real grandmother." See how his appeal turns on a dime into a cruel put-down? Anderson's previous movies were "Bottle Rocket" (1996) and "Rushmore" (1998), both offbeat comedies, both about young people trying to outwit institutions. Anderson and the Wilson brothers met at the University of Texas, made their first film on a shoestring, have quickly developed careers, and share a special talent. (That Owen Wilson could co-write and star in this, and also star in the lugubrious "Behind Enemy Lines," is one of the year's curiosities.) Like the Farrelly brothers, but kinder and gentler, they follow a logical action to its outrageous conclusion.
Consider, for example, what happens after Royal gets bounced out of his latest hotel and moves back home. His wife doesn't want him and Chas despises him (for stealing from his safety deposit box), so Royal stealthily moves in with a hospital bed, intravenous tubes, private medical care, and Seymour Cassel shaking his head over the prognosis. When this strategy is unmasked, he announces he wants to get to know his grandkids better--wants to teach them to take chances. So he instructs Chas' kids in shoplifting, playing in traffic and throwing things at taxicabs.
"The Royal Tenenbaums" is at heart profoundly silly, and loving. That's why it made me think of Wodehouse. It stands in amazement as the Tenenbaums and their extended family unveil one strategy after another to get attention, carve out space, and find love. It doesn't mock their efforts, dysfunctional as they are, because it understands them--and sympathizes.
Cast & Credits
Royal Tenenbaum: Gene Hackman
Etheline Tenenbaum: Anjelica Huston
Chas Tenenbaum: Ben Stiller
Margot Tenenbaum: Gwyneth Paltrow
Richie Tenenbaum: Luke Wilson
Eli Cash: Owen Wilson
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None of those films are any good, buy hardy was good in Bronson
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Release Date: 1992
Ebert Rating: ***
By Roger Ebert Sep 11, 1992
One of the benefits of home video is that it sometimes allows the director to have the last word - if not sooner, then later. Ever since Stephen Spielberg released the "Special Edition" of his "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," directors have been re-editing their movies and releasing versions that are longer, or sexier, or more profound, or in any event different from the versions that were originally released to theaters.
Sometimes the changes are minor - a few more nude scenes, or longer dialogue. Sometimes they are substantial, as in the new director's version of Ridley Scott's "Blade Runner" (1982), which is playing in theaters on its way to home video. Scott has abandoned the Harrison Ford narration of the original version, added some moments to the love affair between Ford and Sean Young, fleshed out a few other scenes and, most notably, provided what he describes as a "somewhat bleaker ending." This is, he says, the version he would have released in 1982 if he could have. The Ford narration was added because the studio feared audiences would not understand his story of a futuristic Los Angeles. The new ending, which is ironic and inconclusive and gives Ford an existentialist exit line, was of course dropped by studio executives for a more standard violent outcome.
I watched the original "Blade Runner" on video a few years ago, and now, watching the director's cut, I am left with the same over-all opinion of the movie: It looks fabulous, it uses special effects to create a new world of its own, but it is thin in its human story. The movie creates a vision of Los Angeles, circa 2020, which is as original and memorable as such other future worlds as Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" or George Lucas' "Star Wars" planets. Unimaginable skyscrapers tower over streets that are clotted with humanity; around the skirts of the billion-dollar towers, the city at ground level looks like a third-world bazaar.
The Ford character inhabits this city as a "blade runner" - a cop assigned to track down and kill "replicants," who are artificial humans, built through genetic engineering. After an uprising on an outworld, six replicants have returned secretly to Earth, where their deaths have been ordered by the slimy leader of an evil megacorporation (Joe Turkel). Ford, on their trail, encounters Rachael (Sean Young, in an early role) and falls in love with her, as the screenplay toys with the nature of humanity.
I have always been moved by the special cruelty done to replicants, who are supplied with phony memories (they have a life-span of four years, yet think they remember their childhoods).
One of the film's poignant scenes has Ford coldly telling Young what she remembers from when she was a little girl - because she has the same memories as all other replicants.
Seeing the movie again, even in this revised version, I still felt the human story did not measure up to the special effects.
Ford is always good when surrounded by amazing visuals, perhaps because he keeps cool and does not seem to notice them. Sean Young and, more briefly, Rutger Hauer, are effective as replicants who want only to live the lives they seem to have been given. But the character of Tyrell, the evil billionaire, has never been convincing, and the way he is murdered doesn't say much for his security measures. And the love affair between Ford and Young, though properly bittersweet, seems to exist more for the plot than for them.
And yet the world of "Blade Runner" has undeniably become one of the visual touchstones of modern movies. The movie's Los Angeles, with its permanent dark cloud of smog, its billboards hundreds of feet high, its street poverty living side by side with incredible wealth, may or may not come true - but there aren't many 10-year-old movies that look more prophetic now than they did at the time.
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Roy Batty: Rutger Hauer
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Release Date: 1995
Ebert Rating: ***½
By Roger Ebert Sep 22, 1995
"Seven," a dark, grisly, horrifying and intelligent thriller, may be too disturbing for many people, I imagine, although if you can bear to watch, it you will see filmmaking of a high order. It tells the story of two detectives - one ready to retire, the other at the start of his career - and their attempts to capture a perverted serial killer who is using the Seven Deadly Sins as his scenario.
As the movie opens, we meet Somerset (Morgan Freeman), a meticulous veteran cop who lives a lonely bachelor's life in what looks like a furnished room. Then he meets Mills (Brad Pitt), an impulsive young cop who actually asked to be transferred into Somerset's district. The two men investigate a particularly gruesome murder, in which a fat man was tied hand and feet and forced to eat himself to death.
His crime was the crime of Gluttony. Soon Somerset and Mills are investigating equally inventive murders involving Greed, Sloth, Lust and the other deadly sins. In each case, the murder method is appropriate, and disgusting (one victim is forced to cut off a pound of his own flesh; another is tied to a bed for a year; a third, too proud of her beauty, is disfigured and then offered the choice of a call for help or sleeping pills). Somerset concludes that the killer, "John Doe," is using his crimes to preach a sermon.
The look of "Seven" is crucial to its effect. This is a very dark film, the gloom often penetrated only by the flashlights of the detectives. Even when all the lights are turned on in the apartments of the victims, they cast only wan, hopeless pools of light.
Although the time of the story is the present, the set design suggests the 1940s; Gary Wissner, the art director, goes for dark blacks and browns, deep shadows, lights of deep yellow, and a lot of dark wood furniture. It rains almost all the time.
In this jungle of gloom, Somerset and Mills tread with growing alarm. Somerset intuits that the killer is using books as the inspiration for his crimes, and studies Dante, Milton and Chaucer for hints. Mills settles for the Cliff Notes versions. A break in the case comes with Somerset's sudden hunch that the killer might have a library card. But the corpses pile up, in cold fleshy detail, as disturbingly graphic as I've seen in a commercial film. The only glimmers of life and hope come from Tracy (Gwyneth Paltrow), Mills' wife.
A movie like this is all style. The material by itself could have been handled in many ways, but the director, David Fincher ("Alien 3"), goes for evocative atmosphere, and the writer, Andrew Kevin Walker, writes dialogue that for Morgan Freeman, in particular, is wise, informed and poetic. ("Anyone who spends a significant amount of time with me," he says, "finds me disagreeable.") Eventually, it becomes clear that the killer's sermon is being preached directly to the two policemen, and that in order to understand it, they may have to risk their lives and souls.
"Seven" is unique in one detail of its construction; it brings the killer onscreen with half an hour to go, and gives him a speaking role. Instead of being simply the quarry in a chase, he is revealed as a twisted but articulate antagonist, who has devised a horrible plan for concluding his sermon. (The actor playing the killer is not identified by name in the ads or opening credits, and so I will leave his identity as another of his surprises.) "Seven" is well-made in its details, and uncompromising in the way it presents the disturbing details of the crimes. It is certainly not for the young or the sensitive. Good as it is, it misses greatness by not quite finding the right way to end. All of the pieces are in place, all of the characters are in position, and then - I think the way the story ends is too easy. Satisfying, perhaps. But not worthy of what has gone before.
Cast & Credits
Mills: Brad Pitt
Somerset: Morgan Freeman
Tracy: Gwyneth Paltrow
Talbot: Richard Roundtree
Directed By David Fincher. Written By Andrew Kevin Walker. Running Time: 127 Minutes. Rated R (For Grisly Afterviews Of Horrific And Bizarre Killings And For Strong Language).
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that articulates what I've always thought, too, except, I disagree with Ebert's reaction to the ending of SEVEN.Since I know the ending, I can watch and see if I notice the weakness he describes, or if it stands up as well as I think it does.
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Does he seem suitably Max-ish to you?
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Cause I'd only seen him as the whiny bad guy in nemesis..but then he was good on Bronson but built like a truck..perhaps too much, but in rock n rolla he was normal sized..I think he'll do fine
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when he tells his Russian baby-momma she looks like a "f***in' pig."If she sells the tape to TMZ, we'll know. If she just laughs at him, we'll know, um, something else, I guess.
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First Congressional Republicans think the unemployed deserve to be punished for the state of the economy, by refusing to extend benefits. (It'd be no question, if Citibank, Chevy or Shell needed relief.)Now, Lame-Duck Expendable Ahnold Schwarzenegger wants to gamble with Californian's salaries for political leverage.This country needs its soul back.That, or bring on the fukken zombies.
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I think the ending to se7en is great and probably the only ending it couldve had
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The WW debates I have been having over in other TBs has made me realize that both Wonder Woman and Superman are deeper, more subtextual characters than both Spider-Man and Batman. Not saying better, but they have much more depth.
Strangely enough I think Batman's lack of depth makes him better (take note Nolan). It is his villains and enemies that have depth and are very subtextual, while Batman himself is just like how we want justice to be - simple, direct, uncompromising, relentless and fair.
But in the end Batman is only about law and justice, while Wonder Woman and Supes can represent a hundred different things.
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Pt11.
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The stargate channel?
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I was watching THE TREASURE OF SIERRA MADRE. I'd seen parts of it over the years, I now realize, but I'd never seen it start to finish at one time.We would've been debating your DC Heroes Trinity theory. You know I'd appreciate hearing your points, but I wouldn't budge. Batman isn't only about law and justice, as I see it. He's also about how those things are always elusive. He's about the sacrifices that have to be made to pursue an ideal of those things. He's about losing yourself and becoming something else, and he's also about the possibility of finding yourself again. The one thing he's not about is traveling through time, facing pirates and western bandits.Superman and Wonder Woman have got it easy. They're creatures of fantasy, magic and power.Batman's not a superhero. He just wears the same kinds of weird clothes they do.
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They want to fit in, but they have an out when you come down to it. When things disappoint them, they can't just bend things to their will.I don't care how invulnerable they write Batman, he's stuck in it. The other two are above it.The way I see it, Batman's humanity is the subtext. That's as deep as it gets.
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One of John Huston's best.
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I was at a bookstore and they have reprints of the early stuff and then the 60s stuff in the showcase presents line
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http://tinyurl.com/2g5b2v9For those that missed it.
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That guy could do anything
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In hindsight I think Deeper is a bad word for Superman and Wonder Woman. I really don't know what the word is I am looker for, but I realize that symbolically they cover more ground than Bats.
I kind of look at them as the trinity of legendary English heroes: King Arthur, Robin Hood and Sherlock Holmes.
Both King Arthur and Robin Hood can be depicted in such a wide variety of ways, and have them represent a wide variety of things. Robin Hood can represent freedom, equality, radical liberalism, the responsibility of the aristocrat, socialism (steal from the rich), libertarianism (anti-taxes), rebellion (against authority), patriotism (loyalty to the rightful rulers), chivalry, rogues, etc. Sherlock Holmes in turn, can only represent a much narrower field of things, most of it having to do with logic and intelligence and reason.
For comics Wonder Woman can represent feminism, sexuality, equality, peace, war, immigration (see is a foreigner who has come to America), retaining ones culture vs. fitting in, the role of women in America, sexual politics, bondage (!), sisterhood, etc.
Batman can represent many things, but symbolically he can't be used as a metaphor or analogy for as many things as Wonder Woman and Superman can.
His foes, however, I realize, can represent a wide spectrum of social and personal ills, especially his older, Golden Age foes.
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When you got grammar that bad you need to stop drinking. Or start. I need to do the latter.
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that Conan Musical is HILARIOUS....
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Jul 03, 2010 6:00:08 PM CDT
Sixies, 'Lop would tell you to start with the early stuff.
by subtitles_off
I'm more of a fan of some of the contemporary stuff.I can give you some suggestions, if you want.
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Bats is a much deeper character, IMO…Symbolic importance? A case can be made for all three for different reasons symbolizing different things (although Supes and WW are just male/female versions of much the same thing…)
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representing both light and dark, good and bad, or a monster in the service of justice. Granted, Superman and Wonder Woman are archetypes but they are always heroic. Batman, too, is heroic, but his iconography - fear, dark - is not. Thereby, he incorporates more, I'd think.
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Yeah I would start at the beginning and try to do it chronologically but I just need to know where to stop...storylines would be good too.
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Supes is arrogant in his ability to do anything he needs to do, Wonder Woman loves everybody and is rather naive…Bats on the other hand, has intricate contingency plans to take the both of them out if they get too uppidy…
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Wow.Sounds like I have to track down a couple more books.
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...for a few years now. Didn't realize it was the same guy until just recently...
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...true, but the greatness of the one doesn't diminish the other.
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I know it happens..don't BS me
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He loves his references so much he fukks them three times at once.
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You not read the late 60’s early ‘70s Batman stuff…when the TV show influenced the book quite a bit…then pick up again when Neal Adams takes over the art chores…Give it up circa couple years ago around the start of ‘52‘...Personal favorite…late 70’s Marshall Rodgers/Steve Englehart run…
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doesn't work with Batman, really. Some of the great old stuff to be found in the BATMAN or DARK KNIGHT ARCHIVES might not be up to your liking, to begin with. Just as there may be stuff from the Sixties that you'd adore, and I wouldn't.There's a relatively inexpensive series of trade paperbacks that collects an editor's choice of the "best" called BATMAN IN THE FORTIES, IN THE FIFTIES, up to THE EIGHTIES, that you might want to start with, that gives a general sense of how the character was at a given point, and that will lead you in the right direction.Comic book chronology and continuity is something I've never been good at, anyway. It unnecessarily complicates things.Once you get post-Eighties, I can recommend any complete story arc, but I'd dissuade you from the chronological adventures. (Because they mostly just kind of suck - Batman leaping from one forced situation to another and repeating himself. Such is the nature of comic books.)I know chronology appeals to you, because that's more of how your mind works, hence your love of lists and such. In this case, I think 'Lop could help you out more than me.
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You can find EXCELLENT stories all thru out his career, and also some shit stories…. Chronology isn’t important at all to Bats…actually detrimental, at times…Editorial changes have jolted the character from one end of the spectrum to the other and some writers get the character, others just don’t…
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Jul 03, 2010 7:19:17 PM CDT
I want the batman before you (and others) say he started sucking
by six demon bag
The good batman..if you can tell me of any contemporary stories, be my guest. I'm just assuming that the early stuff would be ideal. I used to read him in the late 80s and thought it was good.
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...short, but spot on. And I liked that he singled out that bit about the missing pack of screws...that little line breaks your heart.
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Jul 03, 2010 7:23:40 PM CDT
I want the batman before you (and others) say he started sucking
by six demon bag
The good batman..if you can tell me of any contemporary stories, be my guest. I'm just assuming that the early stuff would be ideal. I used to read him in the late 80s and thought it was good.
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in black - n- white, if I remember correctly.If you go that route, they haven't gotten past the sixties, I don't think, so you'll be good.Like I said, I think you should look into BATMAN IN THE FORTIES, BATMAN IN THE FIFTIES, BATMAN IN THE SIXTIES, BATMAN IN THE SEVENTIES, and BATMAN IN THE EIGHTIES. That way, you can tell me what you like, and I can better direct you around to fit your taste. I don't know how to explain it otherwise. Anything that was printed up to 1993 that is available is probably good. Anything after 1993, has a chance of being fantastic or godawful. You'll just have to ask on specific titles for those.The "run" that Cheeses mentioned is partially collected as a book titled STRANGE APPARITIONS.
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I will see what my liberries got on hand
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Check out Detectives, Inc…I loved that book, one of the first true Graphic Novels…
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Jul 03, 2010 8:32:59 PM CDT
Sorry, that was McGregor and Marshall on Det. Inc...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
Still a fuckin' great book...The first one anyway...Until I just Wikied it, I totally forgot there was a second one that I haven’t read…I need to find that…
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He is quoted on Wiki as saying..."We'd rampage around New York City. There was one night when a bunch of us, including Jim Starlin, went out on the town. We partied all day, then did some more acid, then roamed around town until dawn and saw all sorts of amazing things (most of which ended up in Master of Kung Fu, which Jim and I were doing at the time)."My kind of writer...
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...Paraguay, guys. The dream is over...
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I am watching Comedy Central…and a commercial for ‘Despicable Me’ is a tie in with a phone app that lets you translate the little twinkie looking drone people’s language…I thought you were supposed to turn your phone off at a movie…Or, did I just dream that whole commercial?
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Now, I’m depressed…
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Don't knock 'em 'til you try 'em...
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Gaping anuses might be waiting on the other end of the internet-tube...
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Happy Fourth of July....Just like in Austrailia, it is an occult celebration...Right, Whitey...
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You got to figure out which era you like. I would suggest reading the best Joker stories and seeing what era of Joker you like the best. Chances are that is the era you will like Batman best.
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...but can he be used as a surrogate or stand in for so many different things as Superman and Wonder Woman? I wonder.
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Like I said, I see him much more as a Sherlock Holmes like character where Supes & WW are much more mythological & maleable. They naturally represent concepts more than Bats IMO.
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We broke up this morning (saturday). Two months shy to the day of our 5 year anniversary. Happy Independence Day.
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Sorry to hear it, I guess it was a while coming. Independence day was never so ironic. I hope you talked it out and are satisfied that you both know exactly where you stand and why. I hate to use that "closure" word, but not knowing has always been a hundred times worse for me.
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But tonight was incredibly weird for me, so I can kind of understand how you're feeling on the gf front.
'Nilla gave you some good advice earlier and I'm just going to add this - try not to dwell on it. I know that is easier said than done, but nothing good comes with you letting a breakup dominate your thoughts.
Probably not what you want to hear but it is a truism: sometimes the worse things are really blessings in disguise.
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You're not a plant or flower. "Butting."
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JAWS marathon on cable--encore channel.DV yer probably better off cause the way she's been acting lately you don't need that in your life. No one does. She think she's got it all figured out and it's time for you to move on..step one: watch HIGH FIDELITY. I used to watch that everytime I got into a fight with my girl. Needless to say I can prolly recite it by heart.
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I know in break-ups, it's a bitch if you're not the one doing the breaking. You've got all those doubt-, ego-, rejection-, and anger-based feelings to process. But try to shake that off as quick as you can. Don't get derailed with depression. Focus on other things.This, too, will pass.
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you have a good point about Batman. In costume, Batman really can only represent one thing: Fear. He's much more nuanced and layered, in whole, as a character - you said that, yourself, yesterday, but as a symbol, it's another matter.I guess, though, I don't see Superman or Wonder Woman as any different. I guess you'd have to explain to me just what you mean by "malleable." You can apply words like patriotism and feminism to them and say they represent those things, but, if they do, I feel it's in the most shallow way. It's always a given. There's no doubt. They're the positive ideal. Everything will be fine. That isn't "malleable" as I define it. But maybe it's just the word.With Batman, things don't always work out. Even when he's succeeding, he's failing. We've talked about it before, but his struggle is a more open-ended thing. It's why he would cease to have much resonance, I insist, if he became "Dirty Harry" and started murdering bad guys.
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illustrates my point. You know, you're looking at a fantasy sequence, even if some comic-book-writing knob wants you to think otherwise, but, you couldn't pull that off with any of the three except Batman.By the way, I thought that "What are you, retarded?" line - first used by Frank Miller as spoken by Batman to Robin in "All-Star, etc." - would've been laughed away and demonized for all time by anybody who saw it. Obviously, a whole generation of comic readers - and Frank Miller, himself - want Batman to represent their rotten, malformed world view. That line is going to be with us for the rest of our lives, unfortunately. That says more about the current bunch reading comics than it does about "Batman," but there it is.
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Jul 04, 2010 10:02:39 AM CDT
OK, ok, so wait... what the fuck IS that @ The Shelter?
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Batman doesn't use guns. And that crap he's spouting isn't Batman. What is this crap? Taken out of context this is bs... is this SUPPOSED to be some kind of alternate reality/dream sequence?
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...from the way you described the situation it sounds as though you're better off, but still...breaking up is no fun.
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but Subs, can you blame the readers for that? I'm with you hating the bullshit LCD crap the kids are being fed today, but I think a lot of that is basically the result of marketing. For example, a company is trying to sell backpacks, and the way you sell backpacks to kids is to make them look cool, and the easiest way to do that is to put an ad out that says, "Your parents don't understand ANYTHING, but you do, and YOU know this backpack will make you look cool." And it works. My point is, when someone who is looking to sell comic books basically employs this lowest-common-denominator style of thinking, injecting commonplace slang and buzzwords into what is SUPPOSED to be art, I don't think it's fair to demonize the readership... that's all on Miller. And if the fans don't rise up and ask for his head, maybe that's kind of sad, but I wouldn't assume silence = approval. Again, I say this seeing that one set of panels out of context... but it pissed ME off.
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I think it's taken from one of the current books where "Batman" is a time-traveler, and Superman is chasing through the time stream, trying to prevent him from murdering the man who murdered his parents.It's part of an incredibly dumb - and HUGELY popular - storyline that is going on in the Batman books right now, leading to DC Comics "next big event."The line itself was written by Frank Miller for another comic, and is just being repurposed here.I don't know if you know anything about the Frank Miller Batman stories, but he is the writer who brought back a darker, grittier interpretation of "The Dark Knight," way back when he was a writer who could still write and hadn't yet become a misogynistic writer of ultra-violent noir ("Sin City") or homoerotic swordplay ("300'). Four or five years ago, he returned to Batman, promising the "definitive" version of Robin's origin, which turned out to be highly-exaggerated (and mean-spirited) camp, that some people think is just the greatest thing since they started stapling funny pages together. You might have heard about the issue in which he had Batgril running around swearing "fuck" and "cunt."Those words - "What are you retarded? I'm the god-damned Batman!" - are the first words Frank Miller's "Batman" says to Frank Miller's "Dick Grayson."The comic book was continually late and eventually canceled, once the shock value started to wear thin but is due to be "reborn" as "All-Star Batman & Robin, The Dark Boy Wonder" or some such bullshit.Vile, cynical, bitter crap.
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Comic books are bought by a very, very small minority of kids and un-aged grown men in their thirties. But, yeah, I've heard a bunch of them argue how much "fun" it is and how it's one "acceptable" version of Batman.And, yeah, I can fault them for that. I suppose I should be more sympathetic. After all, they could
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Jul 04, 2010 10:29:39 AM CDT
Oh, I'm with you on the "bitter, cynical crap" part...
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That this is popular is definitely a problem... but one thing I would note here, the whole "he's a bad guy but he's OUR bad guy" as hero thing has just been getting worse and worse... I mean, it's become a total cliché, simply BECAUSE readers today are sucking it up. It becomes a self-perpetuating cycle... so I guess, in this case, you can kinda blame the readers. I still mostly blame Miller, though. He just lost all respect. That is just lame. The language in that set of panels is not Bruce Wayne, who knows his place in the world even if it's not the place he'd prefer to be. Bruce Wayne, if he has nothing else, has determination. Strength. Real power. The character speaking there is my hick neighbor two doors up, with extra cars on the lawn, who doesn't have control over anything in his life. "I'm the god-damned Batman"?!?!?! REALLY?!?! are you now? That's funny... 'cause you're not scary...
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Jul 04, 2010 10:36:00 AM CDT
I know a little bit about what the editors are planning.
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"The God-Damned Batman" is going to be around causing some problems for Superman and his ilk which includes "Batman-Lite" Dick Grayson or whoever they put in the suit next. Eventually, two-three years down the line, Bruce Wayne - the real deal, not the bitter old fukk who's going to show up over the next month or two - will return to all the glorious (marketing) acclaim of "There could only ever be ONE."They think they're being clever and proving a point. Well, joke's on them, because they've opened a Pandora's Box. They'll find, by the time they're finished the "fans" of Batman who are left will be the ones who like the Mel Gibsonized version. And, then they're screwed.
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You SO wish! But you know that, even if they fuck up Batman for the next three years, if they came out with a return-to-form Batman, you would be at the front of the line, clutching your money in your hand, drooling with anticipation... because you KNOW you can't quit Batman. YOU KNOW IT. And, unfortunately, so do they... but as long as you get YOUR Batman back, you won't care. Because they're right. There is only ONE. And he is the effing coolest. And, frankly, Batman causing SUPERMAN a little trouble is tit for tat. Superman has been plenty trouble over the years... payback is a bitch, Clark.
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Jul 04, 2010 10:55:34 AM CDT
See, 'm bound to cause a little trouble with this next bit,
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so consider the source and either think on it or ignore it, but I see this as just another example of the end result of thirty years of absorbing the whole "Rambo as hero" attitude.In my (possibly deluded) world view, we're in the sh!t not only because of our innate Greed but because we've allowed this unwavering Machismo to take over, untempered. It's in your gangsta rap, it's in your movies, it's in your video games, and your comic books. It's even in your over-sexualized pop music and your reality TV. ("Oh yeah, that girl's an idiot, but I'd hit that!")There's not an ounce of real heroism in any of that revenge-fantasy, check out the length of my dick, titillation.Now, you can correct me and say that everyone knows how to assimilate and categorize that information. You can insist that the generation younger than me is savvy, smart and knows the difference between real and fantasy. You may be right, and I may be wrong, but I need some hard evidence.Look at the way even our public leaders deal with one another. Is Gov. Ahnold working in anyone's interests when he threatens to reduce public worker's salaries to the minimum wage? Nope. He's just flexxing his "powah." Are the Republicans in Congress serious about fixing the nation's issues? No, just like The Democrats, they're more concerned that they be seen as being on top.
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Old ones and new ones. There are tons of out-of-continuity Batman books, and they are all Bruce Wayne books. That's how the publisher is exposed as cynical. They KNOW the "Batman" currently appearing in the comic book with his name on the title
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How're ya goin' to give away your own self? The thing is, the bastards can screw around with the character all they want, but in the end, it's bigger than they are. They won't do lasting damage to anyone but themselves with this gimmicky shit. Batman will always be Batman, and the real fans know what that means.
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To kill time til lunch...been craving pizza from downtown
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I think that's really only part of it, though. The whole notion of villain-as-hero was extremely inspiring to a certain type of person... I don't know, maybe that is an extension of machismo- the idea that you do what you want. Might be good, might be bad, but the end justifies the means- but mostly, to me, it feels like the expression of power as envisioned by someone who has none. Which isn't machismo, really, is it? It's more insecurity run rampant?
Which I guess is what machismo is... damn, just talked myself in a circle there, huh? However, I take exception to the Arnold comment. After dealing with the clusterfuck that is the California State Govt for so many years, he's finally just had it and is bringing down the hammer as a final "Fuck YOU!!!!" to all of them. Yeah, it may be a little childish, but I can't say as I blame him there. Poor Arnold... he's going to RUN back to Hollywood, where things make sense. -
The only persons he has a chance of affecting are the people doing the work. He's not cutting Senators salaries to the minimum wage. If he had balls, he'd do that. Cut his own salary, while he's at it.As always, he's puffing out his chest, and he doesn't even know he's castrated. He won't get what he wants. Which is, everybody just caves in and follows with what he wants to do. He's out of office already.And, I'm tired of him passing the buck. He's The Govuhnatah. He's leaving the state in worse shape than it was when he took over. He gets none of the blame for that? Why not? Obama gets the blame for not bringing his party in line and letting them cut off their own noses. He deserves it. He's the leader.
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Zoo's oughtta take all day. Exhaust the Li'l Demons until all they want to do is sleep when they get home, so Mom and Dad Demon can enjoy their evening.Am I right?Pizza sounds real good!
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BIG STRONG CAVEMAN has always pretty much done this machismo thing. I think the one thing in your argument is that it's not new... it's just new to Batman. There was an atricle recently in Atlantic about how men are becoming obsolete, how the modern age of corporate jobs is much more suited to women than men, and how lines of work that require brute strength (manufacturing, construction) are sufering and being sourced out, so you have an entire new population of unemployed male blue-collar workers who are likely to STAY unemployed unless they get in touch with their feminine side and learn how to play nice in the office. My point being, the machismo way of looking at the world is actually going AWAY in real life, and short of a post-apocalyptic civilization occurring it's likely to keep trending that way. In light of this, it's not much of a shocker that the media-machismo is on the rise... the media is looking to tap into that very raw wound (without knowing it) and they're seeing payback. You have to look at society in general, though; not even western. Shit, the Chinese prized maleness so much over femaleness that the gov't had to step in and put a stop to parents wanting boys over girls... they were starting to run low on their females for a while. Men have ALWAYS been largely in charge (with a few exceptions) of every culture, and that's all due to machismo perpetuated in the lofty laureates of tradition. Machismo has been the law of society since there was society. I guess it speaks to me being a product of my culture that, sometimes, I even find that comforting. I mean shit, I love Sly Stallone. He's the shit. And no, I don't love him for his love of Shakespeare or his taste in ascots. I love him 'cause he looks effing good with an Uzi in one hand and a 24" long Bowie knife in the other.
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But CA laws are fucked up. THe referendum clause makes it so that you literally can't get anything done. NOTHING. The people want all these services- like education- but they vote down the taxes that are needed to pay for it, then bitch about the fact that their schools suck. If you don't pay for it, you don't get it, CA! Simple law of economics. ANyway, I'm just sayin, I feel Arnold's pain. I do think he's acting like a child, though.
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No we just were there to kill time..and did the greatest hits..seals, lions, chimps, small mammals, and snakes,.. Oh and bears
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"I love him 'cause he looks effing good with an Uzi in one hand and a 24" long Bowie knife in the other."You're right, of course, but you have to understand, I see that as capitulation. I'm not buying a minute of that "The End of Men" theory. Women aren't bringing an inherently feminine "niceness" to corporate culture. If anything, they're just learning to play the game of getting ahead - traditionally thought of as a "male" thing because men were the traditional providers. It's no more instinctive to one gender more than the other. It's a societal necessity - the necessity of survival and protection - brought about due to the evolution of our instincts, resulting in an exchange-based culture.Again, I always get in trouble when I get in to "pop" music, but, I'll use Madonna as another example. You don't hear people championing her as a musical artist of stunning originality. You hear them, always, endorsing her "business acumen." All she has done is take the ancient image of "woman-as-whore" and profited from it. She's not the first. Obviously, she wasn't the last. But that's not feminine. That's playing on time-worn stereotypes.The positives of that - if there are any - can be debated, just as the negatives. But it can't be denied that it has had an influence.But, if you believe, as I do, that there are inherently female and inherently male characteristics to things, you have to recognize them in your culture. Right now, our culture, as I see it, reflects only the predominantly male conceit of being powerful.
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I have to take a short break.Ess, this is the longest I've occupied your attention in a long time! I've enjoyed it!Have a great day, if you're not hanging out when I get back.Keep Li'l Ess away from sparklers. I think she's way too young for them. (HA! Parenting advice from me!)You've got mail.
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...but I think you might be wrong about the world becoming more female-friendly. I eel quite certain this will come up again... ☺ I'm out too, Peebers. I have work to do. LOTS of it.
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Happy 4th of July and Happy 234th Birthday USA...You sure aren't getting any younger, there country...
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I had no idea you were so well versed in comics…it made me all tingly inside reading your take on Bats and the subject at hand…
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but I've read enough of the stories and immersed myself in the lore enough to have at least a passing understanding of the characters. The big ones, anyway... don't ask me about the Flash or anything. I've always been interested in them in the sense that they're this culture's Thor and Zeus et al. Also, I DID go to art school- and I'm into anime- so I find this whole subject interesting on a whole lotta levels. Also, I just think Batman is kick-ass. I mean, look at all the incarnations he's taken in the movies... and it hasn't diminished the character one bit. If a character can survive George Clooney in polyeurethane nipples, said character can survive anything.
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...just a bunch of guys who didn't win, and one guy with 28 pounds of lips and assholes in his belly.
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I'm reading it out of context, so I can't judge it as such, but as a stand-alone page of a comic, it's not provocative or interesting. I'm really bored with this whole Bruce Wayne's parents got shot re-hash. How many times do we have to keep going back to this? It's like Lt. Data and his quest to become human-- there's simply no progress to these arcs the way they've been written. Nothing bores me more than Batman's origin story. I feel like I'm in GROUNDHOG DAY every time it pops up. People's parents get murdered every day. Enough of this elf-important emo-shit. It's becoming offensive.
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Jul 04, 2010 12:44:19 PM CDT
..."elf-important". Please tell me that was intentional...
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...'cause I love it.
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"Happy accidents" R.I.P. Bob Ross...
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I am at a strange moment in my life as an American. I love this day very much for all of the great things it represents, but I also find the uneducated interpretations of it mind-blowing and aggravating. But, I guess that's part of what this day means- we're free to be morons if we choose. Amen.
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Bats even survived Adam West…and actually surged in popularity because of it…
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Jul 04, 2010 12:57:52 PM CDT
Being "elf-important" means you make cookies all day long
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And neglect your loved ones.
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It’s Bat’s origin…I think they should give him the same parent death origin story from Dexter….That would fuck a kid up…
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I think I'm gonna be sick
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Bruce Wayne would have moved on from his parents' murder by now. Whenever this story crops up again I can feel my eyelids start to droop... sleep starting to darken my vision... I mean come ON, how dumb do the writers think the audience IS?!?!?! OK, so his parents' getting shot in front of him was the START, but a lot has happened since then... and like any other human, that memory would become a painful MEMORY, not remain a palpable, driving, immediate force in his life for all time. Bruce is many things, but he's NOT actually psychotic... and only a truly psycho person would gnaw on something like that for so long. It doesn't work. I never bought it. AND, it's not even that interesting.
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means you wear your hair long, dress in loose clothing, and walk slowly and solemnly about, muttering cryptic bullshit under your breath. I actually know someone like this (minus the long hair.) He is obnoxious.
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or change it in any way (although the Dexter thing is interesting.) I just think it needs to become background. You want him to go nuts with revenge lust, kill off someone else, someone he's known for a long time. Make his struggle for all these years seem futile. But the PARENTS THING AGAIN? Good grief. That old chestnut?
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I need contact solution, bread, and something for dinner tonight. I'm thinking turkey burgers... they're more Amurican than beef ones, IMO.
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Is a slogan used all the time by The North Pole Toy Factory Worker’s Union...They have buttons and stuff…
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Let the World's Greatest Detective move on. To obsess over it, like you said, would qualify Bruce as psychotic. But what's even more offensive is the book's writers obsessing over it makes them unimaginative hacks. Oh, that's right- too late...
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I admit to never having watched the show- not because I'm against it, I'm just not a Showtime subscriber, etc.
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Just reading some of Ess's and Sub's little debate over male and females. Want to throw in a couple of stupid points that really have no relevancy to the argument other than interesting discussion pieces.
And as much as maleness seems to be praised, that is because of the advent of Agriculture and the idea of passing property down to your heirs. Sons make better heirs because they have greater potential to produce more heirs (the record for producing the most kids for a women is like 18; for a man it is in the 1,000s) so it makes more sense to have a son inherit your possessions so he has a better chance to get a mait, and to protect him because he can produce more offspring.
However, in more primitive societies and when resources get very scarce, women and daughters become much more valuable. One man can impregnate up to 100 women, so really who cares about all these extra boys? In Africa during extreme draughts male babies were left out to die. China right now has a shortage of women - in all honesty expect them to get in a war one of these years to kill off a lot of the competition.
Also, women have long been just as evil and bad as men, and without being macho. They just haven't been as aggressive or as obviously brutal, but despite how much I like Wonder Woman “real” feminine traits are not always benevolent. Empress Wu Chao of China got into her position of power by arranging the murders and framing her rivals. She even killed her own baby so she could pin it on the current Emperor's wife when she was just a concubine so she could eliminate her and become first wife. And while horrific as it sounds, in a purely Machiavellian and Darwinian way it makes perfect sense and sinister logic. And history is full of such women. -
Jul 04, 2010 1:36:07 PM CDT
SPOILER ALERT!!!! I recommend the first season of Dexter…
by cheeses_of_nazareth
SPOILER ALERT…Dexter is a serial killer who only kills people who slip thru the cracks of the Justice system…Child killers, murders, etc…He works for the police as a blood splatter expert…in the end you find out that he and his slightly older brother were held in a storage container and have to watch their Mom get butchered with a chainsaw then locked in and left for several days with her dismembered corpse…
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That's facking intense! I'll track it down before the end of the summer. Thanks, Cheeseman.
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I think I am making a bad argument. My point is that I think Supes and Wonder Woman can work as metaphors for things that Batman never could.
You can honestly use Superman as a allegory between man's competition with technology, ala John Henry, the Steel Driving Man. You could also use him as "representing" human's current level of technology and scientific progress and how we view science, and as a gauge on how we see the US - from his early days of America still in the industrial age and before becoming a super power when he was powerful but not nigh-invincible; omnipotent days when we went into space and thought American technology would solve everything; to the modern era where he is tough and has amazing powers but can't solve everything.
You can also honestly use him as a stand-in for the immigrant experience, especially Jewish immigrants who tried to integrate and forget or reject their jewishness, wishing to be viewed as full-blooded Americans (the Golden Age Superman); to immigrants trying to reconnect with their ethnic heritage and background (50s & 60s Superman and all those "back to Krypton stories").
All these things Superman can represent, and we haven't even talked about him being a demi-god, god, hero or golem figure.
Batman, however, how many different things can he symbolize/represent/stand if for? Light and dark, yes, but that is very abstract. For me, Batman only works well representing one thing - how to fight crime/evil. Sure he can be shown a million ways - fighting crime/evil do to toughness, relentlessness, compassion, order, logic, science (gimmick/utility belt Batman), team work (Batman Family), one man standing up (solo Batman), etc.
And like I said, I see nothing wrong with that limited aspect of Batman, I actually think that is what makes him more relevant to most people is he doesn't stray far from his root cause.
This probably made no sense because I am already drinking. HAPPY 4th! -
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Batman tracks down Dexter. Dexter Saran Wraps Bruce but can’t kill him…Bats turns a blind eye to Dex’s killings in the end, thinking he could just as easily have gone down that road…
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...RUNWAY, and I should know. When it's on, I watch it every week with my wife.
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Batman would never turn a blind eye. He just couldn't. It goes against his beliefs - just like how he can't kill Joker, he can't let a killer go free no matter how much he relates to him.
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Didn't think that one thru. Just thinking how to end it like most cross-overs where both walk away unscathed to their own continuities...How would it end, then? With Dex in jail?
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Or Batman breaking his. To opposing forces that cannot compromise = drama! Seriously, a "villain" like Dexter would be a brilliant character in the Bat-verse. Well done, Conti. Keep drinking, sir!
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In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!
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...good Batman villains. And only one of them is from another comic book company - The Punisher.
Hannibal "the Cannibal" Lecter, Anton Chiguhr, Scorpio, Keyser Soze, and even the Jigsaw Killer. Sure some of them resemble current Batman foes, but each has something kind of unique about them that I think they could fight Batman and make for an interesting story. -
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Poject it all the way to the back rows of the balcony.Nobody's gonna mind.
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Jul 04, 2010 4:29:14 PM CDT
I understand, 'Lop, and I can appreciate your argument RE:
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Superman, "The Immigrant." I just think it always ends up smothered under the same old implication: America, The Land of The Ultimate Good Guy!Far from me to get too deep into it - it is, after all, July 4th - but, come on a little! That's such an over-simplification of the immigrant experience, it reads, nearly, as some sort of quaint, romantic fantasy. Speaking of quaint, romantic fantasies: I first CHILDREN OF PARADISE, and I'll review it at The Shelter.
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Kobayashi lost.
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Good GAWD!
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I believe Thomas Paine wrote the same thing in an earlier draft of COMMON SENSE. "Colonists gotta eat!"
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She was calling you mosquito dick...tiny and only good for one quick penetration that didn't even sting....
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She's a good lady, but you deserve somebody more your own age with your own interests.
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There aren’t a lot of 12 year old mom’s out there…
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As many of you already know, I'm moving in with my girl in less than a month. Part of our new life together includes the co-purchasing of various household items/wares.
Yesterday was the IKEA Trip. Well, trips, to be more precise. My girl had her eyes set on these dining chairs which (chair frame and cover combined) cost $90 each. Each, people. Yeah, that doesn't fly with me. Well, some hard-nosed shopping by yours truly revealed some chair covers that were marked down from $40 to $10. That means the overall dining chairs go from $90 down to $60- not great but with 4 chairs, this adds up. Okay, now we're talking! I go down to the "underbelly" of the store where you pick your items off the warehouse floor to find that my chosen chair covers were sold the fuck out. There was a man screaming "KHAAAAAAAAAN!" in Paramus, NJ at approximately 1:47 p.m. yesterday...
My girl is defeated at this point. I'm in some Travis Bickle sort of a place mentally. We disengage the IKEA to go home and recover. On our way home, I throw out half-seriously "Hey, wanna go to the city and get some Vietnamese food?" We weren't that far away, but there's normally an invisible barrier that keeps people from just randomly going into NYC from the 'burbs. She says "Sure!" and we turn that car around and go East.
Our favorite Vietnamese place is in the Upper West Side- they have a beef dish that is cosmically baffling in its flavor. We order that and continue our recovery. As we're finishing up our meal I throw out the idea of going to the Brooklyn IKEA (we've never been, we don't even know how to get there). She reluctantly agrees, preparing herself for more Swedish stock-level disappointment. But we pushed on- calling for directions and making a flawless set of turns towards our destination.
Inside, it's a fucking nightmare. There are scores of people, walking slowly like the undead. We know what we're looking for and this is all just frustrating. But we get to the aisle with our stuff and find out they too are out of stock. "Mother. Fuckersvik" I mutter.
I suggest we go up to the showroom and give it a looksie (we're here, why not? I reason). And that's when we hit paydirt. 4 chairs, with covers (floor models) sitting right at a display table. I tell one of the workers "I want those, I want THOSE, how do I get those?" After some explaining of their stock problems, the guy agrees to sell me the chairs, which involves some complex administrative process where I cart the chairs down to their as-is department. Once I get there, these two guys huddle over a computer and print out our final sale prices. $19 for the chair frame and $3 for the covers, which came to $22 per chair. So, $90 chairs were had for $22. Bless your heart, IKEA. -
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Damn, Yack....I want to go shopping with you...
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But I put a little dent in their margins!
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...as teenagers), and I have an irrational familial feeling towards IKEA...and I have an overwhelming urge to treat employees there like long lost family...
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...stuff. DW and I both like old things, and I'm such a rampantly comfortable heterosexual male that I dig going to flea markets.
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for a 36 inch TV for the bedroom. I only wanted to spend around $300. We stop at Best Buy and I find a better TV than I was looking for for an advertised price of $250 WITH a mail in coupon for a free surround sound stereo system. I asked the clerk and he says, “Oh that sale was over on Wednesday.” So, I pull the ad sign out of it’s holder and ask to speak to a manager. Soon a young nervous kid comes over and apologizes but says he can’t be responsible for ad signs left up….I informed him that I was in retail management and that yes, he IS responsible. He agrees to sell me the TV and goes to get my coupon. I look at it and notice the expiration date had already passed…I told him I wanted a surround sound system from his stock. He balks.I tell him I would be writing a letter to his corporate office and that he can give me what I want then after an ass chewing, or he could be the hero of my letter…He gave me a $200 surround system and told them to bring me my TV…Few minutes later the same manager is back telling me they are out of the TV and only have the display. Since they still have the box, warranty and remote I tell him I’ll take the display for $75 off…So, I left the house meaning to spend $300 on a TV and came home spending $175 for the TV and with a free $200 surround system, meaning I came out $25 ahead…
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go discount warehouse with mix and match mattress/box springs...best value...
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...markets for meeting women. The place DW and I go to is usually well stocked with intelligent and interesting looking attractive specimens. You're a good looking guy, so they'll assume you're gay...and when they finally figure out you're straight it'll be open season on Vaders...
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I love it- the guy probably went home and kept touching his asshole from the soreness. Well done.
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But I'm getting down and dirty with the move-in deadline approaching. When we finalize the basics, I'll start adding things that I've long coveted, like an antique Stickley desk chair- that's going to be my personal reward for all of the hard work I've put into my career these past few years, especially these last 12 or so months.
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Jul 04, 2010 7:48:59 PM CDT
I spent my entire professional life in retail management...
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I've seen every trick in the book and know which ones work...and the threat of 'letter'/'phone call' to corporate works 9 out of 10 times.
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That's admirable... I bet you felt a little Kryptonian at that moment. And the Mrs. did too! ZING!
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...some good coffee in a chair like that. I bet a little scotch would taste good in that chair, too.
My work chair is one of my prize possessions. Just a really simple dark oak swivel office chair on casters. Most of the metal is cast iron...I'm guessing it's from the 30s or so. Picked it up on the side of the road for $20. Best of all, it's small, so I don't have to hunch over as much when I do close work...and no arms, because they get in my way. I was especially proud of pulling over for the damn thing. It takes a lot for me to pull over in a car.
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Mid-Thrust...HHHHAAAA!!!I've knocked out slats and had the mattress fall, but total destruction of a bedframe...HHHAAA!!!You're my hero...
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Jul 04, 2010 8:15:25 PM CDT
...well, I felt significantly more Kryptonian that night...
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...than I did on another night when the wrought iron and wood shelf I hung above the bed (neglecting to use mollys) fell off the wall along with 40 lbs. or so of books and knocked my punk naked self unconscious.
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...completely collapsed...the headboard remained standing. the bed was pretty tall, so when the bottom half collapsed it made a slide and we rolled right down onto the floor.
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Jul 04, 2010 8:20:12 PM CDT
Gives new meaning to the phrase TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!
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Yowzah!
Flick, you're damn right about the coffee and scotch. As I read your story, however, I become jealous of the magnificent score you made with your chair. A true office chair has to swivel, you're right. I'm an arms guy myself, but I'm sure I would have bought your chair in your situation too. Congrats, man- a good chair is an important thing to guys like us. -
...Momoa returned the wayward hair gel of King Osric to its medicine cabinet. And having no further concern he and his companions sought personal hygiene products in the West. Many hair extensions and body waxings did did Momoa enjoy. People Magazine Hot Lists and GQ fashion spreads were heaped upon his name, and in time he became a romance novel cover model by his own appearance.
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I just thought it was fucking hilarious.
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...forever marred by a twisted and misshapen nose...broken by a small bird while riding the Coaster Of Woe...
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That is fukking HILARIOUS! I am so saving that for future use. The possibilities are endless. ENDLESS, gaddamit. P.S., am I the only one noticing that from the neck up, that guy ain't a half bad Batman? Seriously...
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Peace be unto ye, Pebrews.
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Enjoy the chardonnay!!!!!
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So, that's his Mum's necklace? That he wears to always remember and feed the anger?
To be really nerdy about it though, that guy's legs are great to studdy from an anatomical point of view, the muscles are really well defined.
Hey, I'm secure enough in my manhood, I can say that. -
My God, the things you notice immediately on hitting post...
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That new Spiderman guy (who seems the best choice of the lot, even if I didn't like his character in Parnassus) actually reminds me a bit of a more well-fed Tennant. Yeah, probably crazy, or maybe the lighting in his promo shot, but hey.
Ess is gone now, but I wonder of she saw the version they did of him as the Doctor in the animated DVD? Decent job I thought! -
Take it gently on Vades with all your moving-in bliss when he gets back with all his moving-out stuff. You are a shopping demon. So is Cheeses.
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I wonder how long it'll take for an official comment. It could just be that the nine month schedule is because he's also directing Happy Feet 2, which wasn't the original plan. Or that they're splitting it in 2. Hmmm. Maybe I need to go have lunch in the city...
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Is this thing on? Oh. Just realised. 4th of July and all. Can anyone tell me why you say that date in the right order but have everything else arse-backwards, incrementally speaking?
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Jul 04, 2010 10:28:18 PM CDT
It's because we hate the metric system, Whitey....
by cheeses_of_nazareth
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...more work stories. What's do you have going on these days?
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the noise scared the SHIT out of my cats...
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...As he held a fart in" Very specific...I love it.
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Watch out for Batmen on roller skates…
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It's the night of 1000 fireworks and it seems there gonna go all night outside my bedroom window. Lil demon is sleeping peacefully, though the wife is in hysterics
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I'm a mathematical imbecile, but I still don't understand how it's not easier to divide by 10!
Night Flick, as for work stories. Mmm. Been trying to get some TVC work as there's still bugger-all happening on the feature front - a couple of my friends are on Max which is really frustrating - I'll do anything! Actually just for fun I'd been toying with some tattoo designs which could be cool for the bad guys... time to start begging! Might have a few weeks doing character design for some TV show. Haven't done that for a while. This week I'm working on the kids' book development. Fingers crossed they like where I'm going (it's their gig). I was thinking Mary Blair or Puppetoons meets Shag.
As for Kids' TV character design, years ago I did that for a really Successful Aussie show called Hi-5, and the logo and all that. I wonder if that's what Hi-5 who pops in here was referencing (they did a lame American spinoff)? Or am I just a rampant egomaniac? -
doesn't she like the pretty colours?
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gets back, if this Cameron/Black Eyed Peas 3d doco thing is true! ;)
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I think he posted in the wrong place. Hilarious how he bags on Transformers but quotes I.Q.4 though.
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Land on our house and start a fire
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but, I love Independence Day...I can watch that un-intellectual drivel ALL day on the 4th...
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Carrie Fisher in a bronze slave bikini…mmmmmm….
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Sorry for the gap in time for my reply- I fell asleep watching the Military History channel. So much war! I'm going back to sleep now. Adios, Peeb Nation
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Look out for sweet bargains on furniture...
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happy b-day cobester a few hours ago
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How you been?
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but it has it's spectacular pyrotechnics...
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i'm doing pretty swell....just watched some fireworks not too long ago
now i'm getting the vodka going -
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The milk was sour. We had one goat and it was a pretty old one. I bought if for half a dollar at market, its hooves weren't even cloven. what the hell i'm thirsty anyway and ever since my tastebuds were downsized during the recent ecomomic facefuck i haven't been tasting much. Down the hatch.
Is this a piece of blanket?
Dole 100 percent old fashioned funky ass goatsmilk the label read...from concentrate plus pulp. god damn it this shit IS goatsmillk i said to myself. I'm running out of story here. I forget where this goes. Goats in the mountains away from me had advice about fixing shirts or getting new ones....i don't know. -
shirt gone, chunky goatmilk sunday all over my breakfast and pastor hellfire is in my grizz saying people without shirts will get hellfire. Hellfire...........sounds great i say. Tell god i'm bringing s'mores. Hey stop that says docter hellsickle, and he waves the american flag in my face. Frafghanistan! Munkle!
Prophilaktiks.
Pancake breakfast, kommunity service. God save the ratz. Momomomomomomomomomomomomo. LALALAL la.
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and downright loathing my flit and flight attitude toward his super hot sauce. His mind bent and curled getting sick and musty. "If he not fear the fires i hope he enters them screaming" he thought. "I'll spend 50 years watching it. DVR gospel hour with blind hootenany, i have a front row seat titled vengence for lack of appreciation, you may die tomorrow and you hope you do rage rage burn burn burn",,,,etc etc
Well he didn't know but what i had drunk the milk necessitating a transfer of goatly advice by this point. Hear it? yes...i do i said to myself...its hard to hear but i do. Roughly tranlated this is what it read. "get a fire suit"
Just then a spaceship landed. Ha i knew you couldnt stay out of this i said looking up to see ben frainklen landing in his spaceship. Thundering triumphant ecstatic rock music thumped down and i felt my throat lumping up, probably still goat milk problems, but it was a good moment.
Shiny unopened, still in its original box. This is vintage? Yes he said. Alright, ...haha...wow, thanks man. So there i was. Fraklin had left, the music still ebbing away in the background. I fingered the lining of the fresh suit reading the label : "anti-hellfire hell suit". Nice....
I looked up at the goat on the rockies using my new binocular vision...."wanna go get some s'more fixin's?" I could tell from the way she was looking at me that she did. I can dig it. -
You sound shitfaced!
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Sweet pyrotechnic/Scandinavian dreams.
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Unfortunately I can't enjoy Fisher in that getup. Still skankin' on the hard stuff at the time and I reckon it shows. Also facially she reminds me a bit of my Mum in that one. Not sexy. Bloody Jedi. Half a great movie, and where Lucas forgot everything he knew about intercutting. IMHO.
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I caught some of Episode 2 yesterday and was cringing at the acting and bad dialogue. Sure looked pretty though. In a CG nothing is real kind of way
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It's the most soulless piece of work from Lucas, in my opinion. At least Episode I had some zip and zeal to it, even if it was a tremendously dumb film. CLONES, on the other hand, just sucks the fun out of everything it attempts. Is there really one genuinely enjoyable moment in the film? A completely charmless, witless film, in my opinion.
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I have the world's first review of INCEPTION in my hands from Empire should anyone be interested...
I'm not going to type the whole thing out but it's uber positive - 5 stars out of 5. Although it seems to caution the film may be too brainy for the unwashed masses. Here's the summation:
"Like THE MATRIX mated with SYNEDOCHE NEW YORK - or a Charlie Kaufman 007.
To paraphrase CASINO ROYALE's Vesper Lynd, it's a meaningful pursuit in a summer of disposable entertainments. With physics-defying, thunderous action, heart-wringing emotion and an astonishing performance from DiCaprio, Nolan delivers another true original." -
... so probably better than THE LAST AIRBENDER then.
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water_shit, thanks for the b'day message and the hallucinogenic prose. You one kerrrazy mofo.
Never drink out of date goat-milk before bed...unless you want a visit from Dr Hellsickle.
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It's so lousy that after Ep 1 we were so disappointed at the trainwreck, but after Ep 2 we were thinking it WASN'T the worst 'Wars movie we'd seen.
As for "in a nothing's real CG sorta way" though, it actually has much less to do with CG than everyone thinks. Episode 1 for example used more models than the whole of the original trilogy combined. But I guess it doesn't sound as impressive to say that it was the lousy lighting design, grading decisions and bizarre animation choices by the director that brought things down. Just regular dodgy filmmaking decisions. But that won't boil down to a soundbite I guess.
One genuinely enjoyable moment though? For me it's that shot were they actually nailed some of the mood (yes! mood!) in the concept art with the coloured blaster bolts blooming through the dusty haze as the troopers progress. Oh wait, the queen's ship going through the clouds was a great opening too. That's two. Probably the only two, and completely cancelled out by GL bludgeoning us about the head with MORE completely unneeded duality with bloody Bobby Fett and Daddy Fett. Gah. -
as my old Polish Babcia used to say.
I'm cautiously excited about Inception. But that Empire review isn't from the dolt that wrote those Empire reviews further up the thread, is it?
And what was Nolan's last true original? Good to hear about the emotion though. And I think Leo is general not stretched at all, and all the baggage from that ship movie was completely unfair. When he gets past the baby-faced handicap, he'll be killer. I understand completely why he's Marty's new Bobby. -
There's gotta be a great fart joke in there somewhere...
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Yeah, right. As if suddenly Nolan's figured out how to write. Please.
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White_V you know you're my mate down under but I think the Victoria Beer has been messing with your memory regarding models and CG.
There's no way Episode 1 used more models than the whole of the Original Trilogy combined. Simply no way. I think you must've got your wires crossed.
Think of each one of the original films, ANH, ESB and ROTJ - they all have some pretty big space sequences with many varied craft in them. The 10 minute battle at the end of ROTJ alone probably has more varied miniatures than Episode 1.
Epsiode 1 has (to my eyes)... 1 donut ship of the Trade Federation, 2 ship the Jedi arrive on and that gets blasted in the hangar bay, 3 Trade Federation fighter, 4 Darth Mauls fighter.
I think that's pretty much it for practical models. Im certain that all the pod racers are CG, and those yellow fighter ships of Naboo are CG too. Everything in the land battle between the gungans and the droid army is CG (and looks it!).
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"in a nothing's real CG sorta way" I was just thinking of the scene where Anakin is whining in Portmans chamber about how Ewan is holding his back and the whole background looks fake as shit. Whining and shitty backgrounds. Yup. It's a Star Wars prequel.
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Dream Police?
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for "dumb" people but "smart" people can't be bothered with your gaping plot-holes?Well, that sounds like a recipe for Box Office averageness and instant forget-ability. We'll see.If it makes $200 million on the strength of its special effects alone, does that mean "dumb" people have over-night gotten smart, or Christopher Nolan isn't as "smart" as everybody thinks he is? Hm, I doubt it will change anybody's opinion about anything, one way or another.
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If you can clearly explain a "high concept" so that Jethro and EmmaJean can understand it when they go to the picture show, then they feel smart cause they "get it".Like you said Subby...no ones opinion will be changed about anything. This movie won't do $200 mil. There are no swearing robots.
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...why do you hate a movie that isn't out yet?
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Summer 2010
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I never saw Marty's Stones documentary, but I wanted to. I don't even remember if that was in 3D. I know it was in IMAX and had Christina Aguillera in it, as if a seventy-foot-tall Keith Richards wasn't horrifying enough!The U2-3D thing gave me a headache that lasted for three days. I don't know if that was motion sickness or just an allergic reaction to that much preening Bono.
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...that is one of the nastiest phrases I've heard in the English language recently.
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its the dosey doe-ing that gives it that churn.
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My comments aren't even directed at INCEPTION, as much as they are directed at the critical assertion - made twice now: once by EMPIRE and once by ROLLING STONE - that the thing will be "too smart" for the audience and what that canard means.INCEPTION's likely to be as financially successful as IRON MAN 2 on the basis of Nolan's fan-base alone. So, does that mean their I.Q.s aren't as low as advertised or that the thing isn't quite as inaccessible as the critics want to make it sound?Aren't you among the ones always telling me that movies aren't I.Q. tests and shouldn't be?If I'm accused of being one of the "smart" people, then I'm going to go ahead and exert my American-born right to an opinion and speak as one of the smart people who has no interest, at all, in INCEPTION.
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...not an accusation. I meant nothing by it. I probably chose it because you seem so determined and focused in your hatred and disdain.
It didn't make sense to me, I was genuinely curious. I don't know how to make it any more clear that I'm not attacking you.
Remember, I wasn't around for the first quarter or third of Pedalback...I know these Nolan things run deep, but I don't have an opinion myself. -
and realized I had no clue what y'all were talking about, so I looked up a trailer... I dunno. You got Leo (who, as much as he's not my favorite, cannot be accused of making stupid movies) you got my beloved JGL, you even got Cillian Murphy in there... you got Ellen Page (who I like, despite Juno...) I am there, with bells on... but I have no opinion about Nolan as a director. (That is to say, TDK and BB both were so-so in my book, but in retrospect I think that has more to do with the fact that I have finally realized Bale is not all that and a bag of chips. Unfortunately. Really, I want them to stop making Batman movies, because no one is getting it right.)
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Jul 05, 2010 10:09:21 AM CDT
Re: the critical assertion that it will be "too smart"
by scarywaitress
This usually DOES mean one of two things: It doesn't have a swearing robot, a spunky ethnic sidekick spouting spunky ethnic witticisms, or Dane Cook. The script maybe could've used more work. (Exhibit A: Dark City. Exhibit B: AI.)
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for Inception. Come on, usually it's two people who at least respect the filmmaker. I'd like to get a skeptic's view on something for a change...
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Waitress, you also got the legendary Michael Caine! Plus Ken Watanabe, Marion Cotillard, Tom Hardy (new Mad max) and Sgt Barnes - Tom Berenger. Pretty eclectic cast.
I'll be there with bells on too... don't suppose I could talk you into being there with nipple tassles on instead?
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SHIT. I am so there. Bells, Cobes. Stickin' with bells.
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Jul 05, 2010 10:15:19 AM CDT
Yeah. It's always better when someone didn't like a movie
by macready452
the problem is getting a skeptic to see a movie they don't want to. $12 is a hefty price for something you already consider shit.
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is no-less valid than dry-humping a movie that hasn't been seen. The trailer for INCEPTION looks exactly like a movie aimed squarely at the "stare-agog-but-don't-think-too-much-about-it" generation. A mix of MATRIX and DARK CITY with popular young actors stuck onto junk-concept precociousness about dream interpretation, even though none of us dream in crystal-clear IMAX special effects. It's just the other perception.I'm not gonna see the thing, no matter how hard Sixies begs, but I am allowed to comment on the marketing.
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if not Inception then what? The good news is you will save a decent chunk of coin until they start trucking out the Oscar bait.
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Jul 05, 2010 10:22:30 AM CDT
I can't see my monitor due to all the sarcasm oozing down it
by macready452
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I'll leave that to the imagination. I WILL say that Cillian Murphy on a screen inspires me to be creative, though...
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You might want to get that looked at.
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it gets all that more exsciting when you shake that thing. Cheeses daughter can give you some tips. Not that you need any.
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...I think that's where generations went wrong.
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and accupunturist at the end of the week. Between the needles and crystals that should clear it right up. My chakras are all fucked up right now.
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I've seen IRON MAN 2 and TOY STORY 3. I might go see [REC] 2, in order to be able to play with Stabby, if it's playing near me.You're correct: The idea of "summer movie" hasn't had any appeal to me in thirty years.
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...that wasn't personal. I've never seen STAR TREK: GENERATIONS...it's probably great. I have no idea.
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the Greatest Generation and then The Who...Talking bout My Generation. All these people and their high opinions of their generation.I'm gonna get in on the ground floor that my generation sucks. Actually its the Baby Boomers and the Me generation that suck. Gen X (while still shitty) is gonna be forced to sort all the bullshit out and Gen Y is too stupid to even realize you can breathe through your nose as well. we are fucked.
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that dpresses me. To realize the way I feel about this summer may be the way I feel about summer Blockbusters for the rest of my life. *sigh*
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just had to throw that in.Type at yous later.Don't take any guff from these swine.
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In the last thirty years I have discovered Kurosawa, film noir, foreign films, and cutting-edge animation. Plus, I have re-discovered the Universal Monsters, Alfred Hitchcock and The 70s.I'm plenty happy about the exchange, actually.
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In a sick way, GENERATIONS is a towering achievement in Trek mythology- killing Kirk isn't that hard, killing him and making you not care is a truly difficult feat. These bastards succeeded.
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"awe-inspiring CG imagery," "physics-defying, thunderous action," or "astonishing," "genius," "awesome," much, but really, who talks like that anyway?
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What happens when I eat too much chili.
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...than the one that came before...
Fundamentalist Christians count 240 generations since God created Adam...and that was only 6,000 years ago! You know it goes back a whole lot deeper and worse than that!
If it isn't all the people of the world getting together to build towers unto heaven, it's kids dancing around a golden calf...
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Please to enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/37ceohf
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I didn't even get misty-eyed when Kirk was so pathetically bumped off. Epic fail, as they say...
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Jul 05, 2010 11:10:48 AM CDT
OK, I'm off to keep my child from drowning her fool self.
by scarywaitress
Actually, she's using her pool water to water my flowers. Such a helpful child... Later Pebrews!
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End battle of Jedi gets into semantics I guess, considering that a hell of a lot of that was re-comping the same ships over and over (but not the potato or the running shoe). Few different sections of Death Star 2, lengthened by just filming the same miniature from the opposite direction, and so on.
And yeah, models aplenty in Ep. 1. Yep, donut ship and also the red blockade runner and hangar & hallways (using the old mirror trick to extend them) as well as the bridge, all of Naboo's city stuff (Theed? was that it's name?). There were models for those big-arse L-shaped carriers. The Brown tank-like carriers that came out of them, too.Those pretty waterfalls? Salt on a black velvet background, overcranked for scale, just like the old days. Plenty of miniatures for the underwater stuff too, shot dry-for-wet. Both the terrain and the city (part miniature, part cg, part matte paintings). Mos Espa or whatever the Tatooine city was called. Actually they built quite a few of those podracers full size before the storm totalled them, and Sebulba & Anakin's pods were miniatures some of the time.
The podrace stadiums and smaller sets were models, and unfortunately some cool shots were cut where the crowds were just differently painted q-tips moved around a bit in mesh pans. Poder racer miniatures were used for some crashes & explosions & stuff. The pod race itself was mostly CG but based completely on miniature terrain pieces as they had nowhere near the computing speed or power they needed at the time to do it all cg. Basically the whole race is a glorified digital matte painting with tons of miniature photography mapped onto very basic shapes. Lighting, texture, everything is from the styrene rocks. Basically a version of photogrammetry. Some bits like the curved luge part and tunnel were more straight miniatures though, like Beggar's canyon. And you forgot the 'garage' scenes where pretty much everything, from podracers to the building itself, is a model. In the hangar, true raytracing times for chrome were prohibitive, so there WAS some model/miniature stuff there too,mainly for the royal ship. Some stuff with R2 in space as well with a ten foot model from memory which was also used for shots on Tatooine. Back to podracers, some miniatures were used for Watto's place. I can't remember if the pod from 2001 was a miniature or full-sized though. Haven't watched the movie in many years. There were minatures for the area where Anakin lived too.
Jar Jar (you were talking about Gungans) was actually shot with the view that it'd only be digital head replacement, but by the time they worked out the cost (remember tracking was nowhere near as far along then) they found it was actually cheaper to do the whole thing that way. And they had great reference in the plate.
Jedi Temple, Gungan forests with the stone heads, Palace interiors, ship reactor/powerplant/whatever it was, amd so on. Dude, this may be from memory, and I can look it up of you want me to (as you're "certain"), but there were a fuckload of models in Ep. 1.
And Mac, there are also miniatures in the Ep 2 scenes you're talking about. But shitty unrealistic bloom (which must have galled John Knoll who was the Sup and had come from a background in models and photography - and co-created Photoshop) and badly framed shots which would have looked obvious no matter WHAT was outside the damn windows meant that those shots woulda sucked no matter which way they were done.
Cobes, with all respect the fact that you only really thought about ships but not all the set extensions and locations created largely with models shows that many people just tar everything with the same brush. I agree, much of the stuff in the prequels DOES look cartoony, but like I said, subjective grading, composition and lighting decisions have a lot more to do with that than what people mistakenly think is ALL cg. Old fashioned matte paintings looked just as fake of you can tear yourself away from the nostalgia of locked-down camera shots and inconsistent lens choices etc.
In the old days everyone used the same paints to do matte paintings but only a tiny few were masters. In CG for the last decade & a half most everyone has had access to the same software, large or small houses. But only a few keep winning those Oscars, because only a few have that eye and approach. The more things change...
Have any of you guys seen the snippets of early Star Wars stuff when they were going to go mostly rear-projection? Looked like arse, "old-school" or not. Obviously, they abandoned it. But objectively, and the reason I use the example, NO worse than some cg shot where the exposure and lighting on the actors isn't matched to the live component. And has there EVER been a great parachuting/skydiving sequence that fools everyone? No. Well, there's Quantum of Solace, which is about as close as you get. But hey, that was digital so it must suck... again, many of these sequences will ALWAYS call themselves out as effects by virtue of context. You KNOW they didn't jump for real, so your mind will be saying "effects" no matter what.
And like I say, if you're 30 or below, you basically can't remember a time before the digital age anyway. You may have seen a bunch of old/traditional effects films (but probably not at the cinema), but you'll only have seen a handful and nowhere NEAR the vast majority of lousy effects that you're witnessing proportionally now in the digital world. It's an unfair and biased opinion. Qualitatively the old stuff had the SAME proportion of lousy to great stuff. It's just that even for those who were there, memory fades or personal bias, childhood nostalgia and "I don't care what you say" defensiveness (even from those who neither understand nor can technically articulate themselves) get in the way. And the fact is, the same amount of middling work has understandably not been renewed and is unavailable. So in a nutshell, of course oldschool seems better because it's an unfair fight. 100 years of content from a mature artform where only the good to the cream is still available or remembered, vs. a 20 year old (for argument's sake I'm starting with Abyss as the start of an unbroken line) one where we can access AND remember ALL the bad stuff as well as the good. And folks often don't even get the argument about what's objectively good right even then! And then there are the mindless and redundant arguments about chemical and mechanical being somehow more 'pure' than digital 'cheating'. It's all technology, and none of the tools matter, only the tradesmen or artists that wield them. Good cinematic filmmaking may sell bad effects, but good effects suffer when the filmmaking is bad.
Another of the factors that make this an unfair fight is that in the old days, writers would pre-censor themselves by simply not writing/avoiding sequences or whole story directions that supposedly could not be realised. And now that writers no longer have that crutch, they've been found wanting. I've said many times that the next decade (which is now the last decade) OF COURSE would be full of superhero movies, because where can lazy execs and writers go if they don't know how to combine visuals with prose? Comics - it's all been done FOR them! Only people like Kaufman are writing in a way that uses effects for character and thematic reasons. And, uh, I can't think of any others just now. Hopefully Inception will have a crack at it. I get the feeling Nolan has a bit of Woody Allen syndrome in that respect, so even if not yet, maybe eventually.
All I'm saying is that subjectivity colours everything for most people.
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Not a fan I'm afraid - I do like the total silence then BOOM thing (the respite was really effective after the endless wall-to-wall score, as in the podrace engines firing), but sound in space is one thing and fits the whole Flash Gordon internal logic, but a SOUND charge?!
Shhh though. My mate boarded that sequence!
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...I admired that movie, but I didn't like it as much as I wanted to.
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...how can we bend and focus the power of Pedalback to make it happen?
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I totally forgot that I had that Scorsese Stones doco! I gotta get to that! After Potemkin. At the moment I'm digging on some Lumiere and Melies. Cool stuff.
As for 3d versus 30 foot Bono ego, you will never know, but your brain will explode if you pay it any more thought.
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...optimism and anticipation mixed with fear of disappointment (if it's connected to something I already love) is my style.
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I always hope that dream stuff will be the opportunity is was talking about before - using visuals for character or story purposes, but yeah Paprika was frustrating. Coulda been great. Was a little like they just expanded on the Teddy freakout on Akira to me.
MAX? We have a cable music channel called that. Pretty boring though. What's your thing?
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Jul 05, 2010 11:43:15 AM CDT
Pebrews! Yes, I am looking forward to seeing INCEPTION.
by colonelfatheart
It certainly "looks like" the kind of movie I like. Then again, it also "looks like" the kind of movie that could piss me off if it's flubbed. Either way, I think Nolan has a pretty good track record, even though TDK doesn't particularly add up to to anything beyond a pretty kickass blockbuster with a performance for the ages. INCEPTION has a great cast, a potentially great concept, and, from what I've seen so far, imagery with the potential to dazzle me.
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Jul 05, 2010 11:44:33 AM CDT
...but I try hard to just take it for what it is, and tune out..
by flickapoo
...all the marketing and fanspeak.
I miss the old days of going into something cold...not even knowing who the director is or the actor's names (I used to be terrible with actors, I could never understand how my parents knew who all these people were).
I still can't seem to quit AICN...but I've started skipping articles about movies I want to see until after the damn thing comes out. Unfortunately, 90% of the conversation about a movie seems to come before the thing is released...after it comes out the threads just die.
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A couple years ago I'd be reading EVERYTHING about INCEPTION. Now, I just want to buy the ticket and take the ride, reviews be damned, particularly ones who assume the movie is too "smart" for today's audiences. It's bad enough that, going into it, I already know the director and his track record, etc. Which leads me to a question: Does auteurism ruin movies for us? You could argue it generates preconceived notions of a movie. You could also argue that it helps you discern which movies you should see. But then again, if that's the case, does it limit what we see? My DF knows a couple directors by their styles/subject matter (Spielberg, Hitchcock), but she couldn't really give a damn about Christopher Nolan or Brian DePalma or Brett Rattner.
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...of where I am is exactly where a I am...and where I'll be for the foreseeable future (although it's possible I'll get my story sketched out in the next month or so. They seem to love the idea...they just need to see a little more on the imagery side.).
I hate the idea of you doing work for a picture book on spec...just to see if they like your ideas. With your body of work, they should just sign a contract. All my books go through the publisher, so the publisher picks me for a story...and if I can do it and we agree on a price we shake hands (with agents and lawyers hovering). -
Jul 05, 2010 11:58:18 AM CDT
...dammit, Col...that's a conversation I'd like to have...
by flickapoo
...but DW is watching the child so I can work...must run.
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The DF and I were all set to take an impromptu road trip down to Atlantic City, but our friends, who really didn't have plans of their own, flaked out and we got mopey and stayed in.
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Off to Lowe's and then to see TOY STORY 3, finally.
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My short term memory is as bad as my long term - and it was ME that was whining about it!
My book thing is sorta paid. She hasn't written the thing yet but she reckons she's got the connection. So I just said I'll do a couple of weeks of development, and be paid for it. If she's happy and it goes further, there will be proper contracts. If not, at least I had a couple of weeks work. -
Jul 05, 2010 12:04:54 PM CDT
Still, I'll repost the question so Pebrew Nation can weigh in:
by colonelfatheart
Does auteurism ruin movies for us? You could argue it generates preconceived notions of a movie. You could also argue that it helps you discern which movies you should see. But then again, if that's the case, does it limit what we see?
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"Auteurism" has probably only ever influenced me with Kurosawa and Scorsese, two film-makers whose work I'll watch even if I'm disinterested in the subject matter.There's not another director I can think of, off-hand - yourself, 'Lop, and-or 'nilla might mention someone obvious I'm missing - who I think of as above his films. Meaning, I'm expecting nothing with certainty when I go into a Spielberg movie, for example, because he's delivered both greatness and pabulum. In other words, "auteurism" doesn't mean much beyond "logotype," to me.
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What about Kubrick or Ozu? Or even Lynch? Okay, on that, I have to split. Have a good Monday, Peebs.
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extension of my love for Kurosawa. But, in the cases of Kubrick and Lynch, I recognize their "auteurism," but I an just as likely to like or dislike any of their films, and, therefore, I'm forced to judge them case-by-case.
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I meant to reply to Subs on that one too.
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I will watch that today!
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Duh.
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How's your fire-shirt working out?
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I think it will work alright...i'm saving it for when i get to hell.
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So, if you ask your peeps to bury you in it, you can hand it off to one of the demoted angels as you pass them.
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I'm thinking of getting one. They come in XXL?
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Its bit different for me. I worry it must be too much like something.
Subs for some reason i get a "does not exist" for your right brain cinema section in the shelter, both in internet explorer and chrome -
White_V no VB?!
Thanks for that lengthy response on the PHANTOM MENACE fx - dude if all talkbackers were as knowledgeable as you then the world would be a better place!
I think I was starting from a place of ignorance, or at least mistaken terminology. I was thinking 'models' to mean spaceship miniatures - like the intricate glue together plastic kits you buy in model shops. I didn't mean it to encompass sets, props, or costumes.
But it's actually for that reason that PHANTOM MENACE is my fave of the 3 prequels (best of a bad bunch..) aside from having Liam Neeson and Darth Maul (the two characters that I most enjoyed in the whole PT) it did also seem to have more practical fx than the other two.
ATTACK OF THE CLONES was unforgiveable - Lucas couldn't make one Clone Trooper costume? Not a single one? Not even for the close ups?
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If John and Paul had worried about that when they were starting out, none of us would've ever heard of Heather Mills!
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I've only seen Good Morning, which I loved. I want to check out his work as well, but I've got a stockpile here that'll keep me going for now...
Subs, I forgot to reply to your "picky" Toy Story thing. I didn't go to any link, and didn't read any spoilers. Trying to go in as clean as I can on this one. And I always appreciate your SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILER warnings, even if I'm not sure whether you're typing it while rolling your eyes. ;)
I just freaked a bit because I honestly believed that after your careful treading lightly and warnings, you forgot, and knowing how thoughtful you are with that, I blundered in as there were no caps everywhere. I hope that explains it better, I really don't think I was being picky at all. A bit melodramatic maybe in my surprise, but I'll put down a hundred bucks that says the setting you mentioned IS a big thing that's a major point in the story. I mean, you mention that place and what ELSE can it be but the seventh level of hell for a toy? I don't have to know a single thing about the story to know it seems bleeding obvious how central that would be. Anyway, we'll see if I'm eating my hat in a few days.
I also meant to ask you what the talk recently was about Kinks arguments or discussions in the PB a while back? I'm a big Kinks fan. They're the number 3 to me.
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who hasn't had enough flops that I can count on a good experience if I go to one of their movies. So I don't know that I could say that auteurism has ruined moviegoing for me OR made it better. God help me, the only director who has consistently at LEAST made me laugh is Tarantino (unless you count Miyazaki, but I think he's a slightly different ball of wax.) I have to admit to have not seen enough Kurosawa to give a definitive opinion... the ones I have seen were magnificent, absolutely. I guess what I'm saying is, as I've gotten older, and seen more stuff, I've been deeply disappointed by even my one-time sure bets, to the point where auteurism doesn't mean much but branding. I think I'm better off watching the previews and going case by case, not giving too much credit to the director... I lean more on actors I like/dislike to determine if I want to blow $10 plus popcorn money on a movie, or wait for Netflix, or even not see it at all (FWIW, I still haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, and don't plan to.) Inception looks like the kind of thing that I'll enjoy going to. Whether I come out feeling like I got my money's worth is a $10 risk I'm willing to make.
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I think I need to start drinking early today.
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and they have religious guilt wicking lining
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Not sure if you'd really call these guys auteurs but these are the directors working today who's name attached to a project will 'have me interested'...
Ridley Scott, Paul Verhoeven, James Cameron, Miyazaki, Spielberg, Nolan, Peter Weir, Peter Jackson, John Woo, Terry Gilliam, George Miller... and god help me, George Lucas. -
Jul 05, 2010 1:01:07 PM CDT
See, Cobes: you names a lot of my one-time sure bets...
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but now, only Miyazaki is a director's name that will get me to shell out $ at a thater, guaranteed. The rest are all case-by-case. I mourn that that's the case with Spielberg. I kind of hate him for that.
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No problem. In retrospect, I thought that setting had been discussed in every single review I'd read before I saw the film, but it didn't ruin it for me. And, I was so amused by that article making The Holocaust connection, I arguably wasn't being very cautious. I sometimes forget that not everyone reads reviews before they go to the movies, like I often do.The Kinks arguments were the beginning of Flick's "generational" thing. In a discussion of what "pop music" means, I compared the "pop" of my childhood - Stones, Beatles, Motown and Kinks - to "pop" today - Miley Cyrus, Lady GaGa, Justin Bieber. I was trying to elucidate the point that the definition of "pop" music - that which is popular and sells a lot of wax - has been diminished. Flick thought I was making a direct comparison, musical style to musical style and thought I was being unfair. That, the more accurate comparison would be Kinks to Arcade Fire, or plenty of others, say, The Strokes, that I would insist are not considered "pop." The Kinks were once a regular Top 40 act. Arcade Fire never has been and likely never will be. Misunderstandings became weapons, and feelings were hurt, and nothing will ever be the same again. [slams fist rather weakly]Of course, Flick will have a completely different interpretation of the discussion, as is his right.The Kinks are #4, to me, only because I want to sneak Creedence Clearwater Revival in there. Sue me, I'm American.All of my reviews will henceforth be Shelter exclusive, including a review of LATE SPRING. The only Ozu I've seen is TOKYO STORY, but I was so moved, I added everything to my Netflix queue. LATE SPRING is streaming.
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Aussies don't drink Fosters really either, no matter what Paul Hogan tells you. Not that I can drink that much of anything anymore. My head just wants to implode these day - I've never had a hangover in my life (wife doesn't get 'em either, and not because we haven't tried), but my sinuses (actually only got one) are what hates me.
It's bloody annoying.
Yeah, no Trooper uniforms! Whatever! And in Ep.3 when they actually DID scan a Vader helmet and spit it out of the computer into the real world, they got it WRONG! Rapid Prototyping and CNC are fantastic, but as always, you gotta make the right decisions. You know how if you take each side of your face & mirror it you get two different faces? Sorta like that, they wanted to make the helmet less wonky than the handmade original (where you spend half your time trying to keep things symmetrical). All that sounds good in theory, but they took the later helmet which has softer curves & isn't as 'insect'-ish, and mirrored the worst side of that. So now on top of having a shorter guy in the suit you've got a gawky hat bit that sorta sits there with too much negative space, and so on. Not only that, but originally they did an incredibly clever thing where opposite facets were dark gunmetal against others that were true black. You'd never really notice it if you didn't know, but it meant that the thing was much easier to photograph because the light hit it in facets, rather than just highlight hits in a black mass. Which was exactly the nightmare they then had to deal with on Ep 3 when they did it all glossy black. Jesus... -
I don't know what it is with The Shelter Archives.I just had to kill the one page and re-copy everything into a new one.Anybody who experiences a similar problem, give me an e-mail. I can't fix it unless I know about it. (They all work for me.)
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Without it, there probably wouldn't be progress.But, just like everything else, the term is too vague, or, more precisely, means to many different things to too many different people.And, in the wake of the critical acceptance of the theory, everybody's an auteur now. Step right up! For me, that's bound to have an effect on how I look at it. You know? I can see John Ford was an auteur. I'll fight you over Cameron, though.So, I guess, that IS an answer to Col.'s question. No, I'm generally unaffected by the idea of auteurs.
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I kind of wish they just made it look like the crappy episode IV helmet, not shiny...etc
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Jul 05, 2010 1:14:13 PM CDT
is there a treasure of the sierra madre review in there
by water_shit_anderson
that im missing?
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That movie's too nearly perfect to review anyway. There is a new one for CHILDREN OF PARADISE, though.
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is "it wastes nothing." Not time, not action, not word, nor glance.I can't wait to see it inducted into The Pantheon!
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...I like The Kinks. I don't care much for The Beatles, but that's just a personal thing. I fully acknowledge the talent. I don't like their voices, and they frequently strike me as coy and clever.
Their zany little movies in particular drive me up the wall too, but like I said, it's a personal thing. Their talent is probably indisputable.
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...I'm having a hard time getting a read on that...should I smile or cry?
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You should be laughing right out loud.
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I get annoyed by Mccartneys style of english cleverness. I like Lennons biting angry cleverness better.
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It's getting better all the time.
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...what I'm after is a certain flavor. Certain people, regardless of their relative greatness, have a tone or flavor I like...so I'll probably see anything by Terry Gilliam, or DelToro (in his BACKBONE and PAN mode, not HELLBOY).
Miyazaki is probably the only director I can think of right off hand that I'll watch no matter what.
If I track anything by name, it's probably more the little guys I want to look out for, not the big names. If Genndy Tartakovsky were to direct a movie, I'd see it for sure...because I love SAMURAI JACK and hope he gets a chance to grow in interesting directions. I want to see SPLICE, because I really liked CUBE. -
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On all counts. Gotcha on Shelter reviews. Gotcha on The Kinks. Usually I'm of the opinion that if you dig a little, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Rap being the political extension of talking blues, Boy Bands of the Nineties no different than the ultra packaged, matching suit-wearing foursomes (men) and threesomes (women) of the fifties in an era based on covers, and so on.
The only thing is that the increasing greed of the loan-shark institutions known as record companies started the downfall. In the late eighties and early nineties they found that even bubblegum popular stuff was at such a low ebb it was only selling to the twelve & below demo. For example, while the Spice Girls originally intended their music to appeal to the usual older market, only little girls who saw them as Barbie dolls were interested. How many little kids sang "if you wanna be my lover, you gotta 'get' with my friends (the clip had a line outside the door for fuck's sake!) without any conception of the whorish lyrics? An awful LOT. Same goes for the outfits - to little girls, it was just sparkly fashion. I was doing kids' tv at the time, and I saw it all first hand, and watched marketing people completely misunderstand what was going on. Britney was exactly the same thing. How many parents bought their kids Britney's first big hit advocating pedophilia and sexual violence - in a schoolgirl uniform, singing in babyish/little girl voice, pleading to be hit one more time - Humbert Humbert would have had a conniption!
So what did the record companies do? Instead of seeing the alarm bells and immediately getting the biggest part of the market back on track, they took the easy way out, and went for the little kids. At the other end of the spectrum, the laziest hip-hop and easiest clip tactics of T&A became the norm. America in particular was 20 years too late again, with punk and ska hitting mainstream decades after the rest of the world. Remake mania.
So I actually do believe they don't make 'em like they used to, but I'm just not blaming the young pups who never know any better, no matter what generation they're from.
I read a Rolling Stone review of a Crowded House (I love the Crowdies - some of the most transcendent gigs I've ever been to) album in the nineties that said when discussing Neil Finn's songwriting skill that while it was relatively easy to seem boundary-pushing by using musical shock-tactics, Finn's achievement was arguably greater because he was trying to elevate popular/mainstream music from the inside, just by making high QUALITY music in the most public format. I'm biased, but I think there was something to that. I think that was when I was doing caricatures for 'em, so I could get free copies, heh.
Creedence eh? Yeah Fogerty has one hell of a rock voice. I getcha, even if they're not my style. -
Jul 05, 2010 1:34:02 PM CDT
no country for old men reminds me of sierra madre
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a little. I like the latter one better though.
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Like Flick, I adore BACKBONE and PAN, and when I hear his name mentioned, in regards to a project I've got any interest in, I can't help but get a little excited.But then I think of HELLBOY or that pedestrian thing about the giant moth people.DelToro has plenty of strikes against him, even though I still hold out hope that he'll emerge from the pack and become THE fantasy film-maker of current times.
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Another one you have to see. It was re-made by Friedkin as SORCEROR.
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Neil was friendly and outgoing, but I think I shocked Pete's monkey.
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White_V I always keep my Ipod on random shuffle and last week it played me the only two Crowded House songs I own back-to-back, how unlikely is that?!
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talk to you fellows later!
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Not to beat the horse until its bones are bruised, but I blame radio for that, more than the record companies.It has always been my opinion that the best music made at any given time will compare favorably to that of any other time. It's a matter of promotion.And, once a diminished quality has been promoted to the point that the self-fulfilling chickens are all crammed into the same coop, it doesn't matter if there's any quality out there.My point always was, if you have to go out digging for treasure, many are likely to get tired of doing all the work and just stay in where they can get an easy fix.
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I'm like that with both Joanie Mitchell and Van Morrison. Absolutely understand their achievements and skill, songwriting etc, but it's some sorta physical thing where their voices are like nails down a chalkboard to my ear.
I can't handle hot food either, but I never say it's shit. That's dog in the manger stuff.
Did you see what I wrote about "Please Please Me" though? Not that it'll change your mind of course.
And Genndy Tartakovsky directed the good action beats of Iron Man 2 (hence that stuff was a million times better than the first, unfortunately story-wise it didn't make a lot of sense), if that helps!
I'll go see anything by Lynch, Gilliam, Fincher, Miyazaki and Jeunet, popular or not.
Even if Splice really sucks, at least someone is trying to do Cronenberg stuff - better they try and fail than more fucking Scream movies. Oh. -
...tender feelings.
I thought we ended on a nice note that night. After all the hot debate we had a nice little exchange and I went to bed happy. I woke up in the morning to find you came in later and accused me of deliberately twisting the argument to suit my ends.I try very hard to argue fairly...and I still don't see how you can compare The Kinks to the Jonas Brothers. One is a real band...a cool grownup band. The other is a Disney corporate product that doesn't even get played on shitty FM radio pop stations. I rarely listen to the radio, but I tune in from time to time (only while driving) to see what the hell is going on (I have a daughter...don't want to be completely out of touch). I have never heard a Jonas Brothers song in my life. That shit never even makes if out of the Disney Channel ghetto.
Anyway, that's where I got genuinely offended...especially after being so proud of the fact that we managed to iron things out the night before.
Then I called your generational rants "tedious". The truth is, I get tired of sweeping generalizations like that, and I'm never going to like generational bashing. People are people. More importantly, a person's taste in silly music doesn't define who they are...I didn't like that attitude in high school, and I don't like it now. I grew up in Italy (here I go with that again), and some of my favorite people in life, and the most culturally literate people I know love to bop to the worst Eurovision pop imaginable while they cook. It says absolutely nothing about who they are as people, or their generation (many of them are your age).
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"Something So Strong"
"World Where You Live"
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Jul 05, 2010 2:00:03 PM CDT
Again, I never compared The Kinks and The Jonas Brothers.
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That's the rub. Musically, I know they're not the same thing.Pop to pop, though, as I said, The Kinks were routinely Top 40 pop music when I was a kid. That's the comparison. The tastes of the audience and the product they have at their disposal. You may recall, you asked me and that was the answer to the question.I did think you had twisted the argument into an old-man bashing The Jonas Brothers. I meant "twisting" with no more venom, I don't think - although by that time I was angry too and feeling misrepresented, so who knows? - than you meant this morning with "here goes the generational thing again!"I'm still sorry I pushed your button without knowing it.
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Jul 05, 2010 2:03:08 PM CDT
Chick in a bunny outfit smoking a cigarette and headbanging.
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There's a clip in that video of an episode I don't even remember, with King Tut hopping up and down on an inflatable Batman doll. I can't place that for the life of me.
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are only following what the record companies lay down, in so far as the mainstream stations go. It's still like that. And as it's in their own interest to recycle, the DJs and VJs are dumbed down and pass that along. The most blatant example off the top of my head being their disingenuous promotion and knockon radio/video hype of Gangsta's Paradise. It was in everyone's fiscal interest to NOT talk about covers and samples, and it made them a lot of money before too late we had the misinterpreted spectacle of Stevie getting up to sing COOLIO'S song. I'm not hating on sampling at all as it's arguably a much more malleable and creative twist on a straight cover, but that was bullshit sacrilege, and a good example of intentional ignorance born of the company and perpetuated by the media.
If something is even back announced these days (maybe that keep 'em listening tactic's different over there) you can bet that the DJ won't know the tradition of the music or any direct lineage of the song itself. Obviously looking at credits and liner notes is no longer "rock and roll", even for those who make their living at it. To me, it's like a journo who can't spell, or a waiter who doesn't know what it means when you put your cutlery together. I blame them a bit because being professional/being paid for your services means a certain level of competence and knowledge should be a given, but I blame their superiors who don't teach them the basics a LOT. Grrr.
The net may have opened the floodgates, but we used to rely on informed professionals with similar taste to our own to sift through the mountain for us. They were called DJs. And now it's up to us or some dodgy A.I. routine? That'll take a while.
It also gets into the magazine publishing thing I talked about before. Banking on a new and ignorant audience every few years. I think when people were getting into the Comic argument back up there, they totally forgot this aspect. Those transparent redresses of the same old stuff DO work because every 3 to 4 years, there's a new audience who hasn't seen that tired stuff a million times before. Everyone was talking in terms of older readers who HAVE seen the Batman do that 50 times in 50 ways already, but they didn't acknowledge the other side of the equation which is equally valid is not more-so (moneywise).That's my opinion anyway. -
it was an innocent question, I swear!
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...yeah, that kind of sweeping generational bashing still gets on my nerves...but you're probably not going to stop, so I've decided to just have fun with it. I can live with that.
On the musical front, it honestly doesn't matter to me that much...the "this generation" angle was the real fuel to the fire.
I'd still argue that in the specific case of something like Miley Cyrus or The Jonas Brothers it's less a case of pop getting terrible as music for children getting more "fancy" and aping the trappings of pop. It's music intended for children...just nowhere near as good as what THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS are doing for the preschool set. Now, the appropriateness of letting your kid listen to Miley Cyrus is another conversation altogether... But kids are listening to music that sounds and looks like pop music intended for teenagers. That's why I hope there's a Taylor Swift out there when my daughter gets older. From what I've read and the little I've heard...she's intelligent, talented, covers all her pink parts, and writes her own music. As a dad, I should be so lucky.
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That's another thing that I'll never be able to explain over the generational divide. If you are younger than forty, it is unlikely that you have ever listened to an FM radio station that had not been formatted as flat as a pudenda hair. These DJs - no matter how enthusiastic they've been trained to sound - are not choosing the music they play. They have no investment in it. In fact, the more they try to sell it, the more forced they obviously sound.When I was in Middle School and High School, and I was listening to a tinny transistor radio under the sheets at night, I was hearing Billie Holiday and Muddy Waters alongside Led Zeppelin, and the disc jockey was speaking to me. He wasn't there as a middleman trying to sell me sh!t.
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discovering the classical jazz stations in my area. That was a great summer of mood & swing. I was 12.
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No worries, Flick.
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because I've never listened, but, if you're lucky enough to have real jazz or classical radio station in your area, you might have an understanding of what I mean rock stations used to be like.Of course, the DJs are quieter, more erudite, but they know their audience. Therefore, they don't have to play "down" to an assumed type of listener.
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...well, it's sweeping, generalizing, a little like a personal attack on people younger than you, and it comes off kinda mean spirited. I don't know if you mean it that way, but that's the way it sounds. If you don't mean it that way, I'm ready to listen to what it is you do mean.I hated G.I. JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA with a passion, but I enjoy hating it...and I'm not prepared to condemn entire groups of people because it exists.
Also, in the specific case of pop music, a lot of the vitriol is directed towards children. Miley Cyrus is a child. This Justin Bobblehead kid is a child. We're gown men...I really don't feel comfortable bashing children beyond the odd funny comment. -
Jul 05, 2010 2:32:46 PM CDT
While we're talking about radio... some things to note...
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FIRST: if you're referring to radio, in this country you're pretty much referring to ClearChannel. One huge, bloated monopoly that runs most of the mainstream pop stations from coast to coast. They all play the same things, and hire DJ's that sounds as much like each other as they can find. They want upbeat, with a peppy voice, not brains. They want celebrity worshippers, not music critics. SECOND, and most important: you know how they pick the music they play on the radio? They put the singles through ocus groups, and ask people to rate each song on a scale of 1 to 5. Anything that gets too many 1's or too many 5's doesn't make it... they want songs that score a solid 3. That's right: they are LOOKING for mediocrity. They didn't start doing this until the 80's. The moral of the story is, if you want to find cool, interesting new music, played by people who know what the hell they're talking about, you do what I do and set your radio presets to NPR stations. WFUV out of NYC is fantastic for this... John Richards' show (based out of Seattle, incidentally) airs on this NYC station from 9am to 12 noon. THis is where I found the SIlversun Pickups (now, regrettably going mainstream, dammit) Grizzly Bear, Passion Pit, Fleet Foxes, Metric... AND was reawakened to some old classics, which he sprinkles liberally throughout his playlist. Seek out the indie stations. SUPPORT them. And ignore the ClearChannel comglomerate. That, friends, is the only hope for the future... and I say that as someone who DOES, every now and then, listen to *gasp* a Britney track... and enjoy it.
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in my mind. You've got people like Jay-Z stealing entire swaths of Coldplay songs and acting as if he's a musician of some sort. And, again, at least people held Vanilla Ice's feet to the fire, and David Bowie got paid. More than that, though, Vanilla Ice got laughed out of the place. Now, I'm assuming Coldplay makes more money off that damn "New York" song than Alicia Keys does, so that makes it all good?
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...sound vicious and bitter. If I'm taking it the wrong way, I really am willing to be set straight about what it is you mean.
But I really do have to get back to work. I'll read it later. A little distance is probably a good thing anyway. -
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World Where You Live, just downloaded it and am liking it v.much - the dojo approves.
But now i'm getting outta here I sense this place is about to blow!
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Subby listed some really good ones. I'd add Four Seasons in One Day and Into Temptation are both pretty heartbreaking, Mean to me, Don't dream it's over (that and Better be home soon were both directed by Alex Proyas, he said they were pretty nice fellas), Kill eye, Hole in the river, It's only natural, Nails in my feet...
Ah, look. I'll go on forever, don't mind me.
One of the best gigs was when they strummed the opening chord of "Better be home soon", - and didn't do any more. The crowd sang the whole thing, in strong, fine voice. Band and crowd were pretty much in tears. As they were when Paul, who had suffered from depression (while of course seeming the most outwardly outrageous & happy), hung himself from a tree a few years later, after an amazing farewell gig on the steps of the Sydney Opera House. That was a great one too. -
vicious and bitter, while I'm not allowed to make any sweeping generalities?That's an unfair duel and a trap, and it's best we just don't go there.Yeah, I'll own it, but I'm not going to be lectured about it.
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That one's a must!
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That's been a consistently strong station for as long as I can remember. Long Live the Jesuits!
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...SOUND vicious and bitter. I didn't say YOU are vicious and bitter. There's a very big difference.
I think you're a, wise, thoughtful, kind, and wickedly funny guy...when you aren't bashing millions of people you don't know. -
...You Say Such And Such It Actually Sounds Thus And Such, And Makes Me Feel Bad...But You Might Not Mean It That Way, So What Is It That You Do Mean? Argument is the cornerstone of a long lasting relationship...I'm trying to assume you don't mean it the way it sounds.
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a furry link, right? You sick puppy. Or fox.Or something.
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...bashing" type comments. I've been meaning to bring it up at some point, so I might as well do it now...
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I find that one of the most amazing parts of that video, 'moose. That shit was written down... wow.
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I actually liked that cartoon. I shit you not. I had to hide that I was watching it from my mother though... she was terrified that kind of thing would make me grow up into a lesbian. I'm not kidding. She was also wrong. I'm only 35% lesbo.
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Especially when he throws the crocodile.http://tinyurl.com/39atute
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It's true you know.http://tinyurl.com/fwez7Stay cool Jeff!
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NNNNNNOORRRRISSSSSS!
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But I also have to say, in the spirit of friendship, that you are coming across as a Harpy on this issue. Hen pecking and pecking away.
Does Subs sound like a grumpy old curmudgeon? Yes. Do you sound someone nagging him and intentionally picking the scab? I would have to say yes. Do I sound like a condescending and contrarian asshole? Oh, god Yes. And do I sound like someone butting in where he shouldn't probably yes, there as well.
My point being Flick, and everyone else, is that you sometimes have to ignore or accept everyone else's "failings". Not everyone is going to get along all the time, but you can at least try to get along. And part of that is letting things slide by.
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Which is also on the wall-E DVD but eh..
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'and heres jenine cool as a peppermint ice cream in her pink ensemble. '
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Jul 05, 2010 8:12:05 PM CDT
...well, I didn't bring it up, Conti, but I'll accept that...
by flickapoo
...in the spirit of friendship. I do prefer the term "fishwife" though.
It's my own fault, I spend too much time around here, so the griping starts to get to me. I wasn't here from the start, so it isn't my porch...I just think the noise of yelling at the damn kids to get off the lawn all day, every day, is worse than the ruckus the kids were making in the first place. Today INCEPTION was the ruination of society and culture...yesterday it was Batman...a couple of days ago it was the new Wonder Woman costume (?!) and Teddy payed the price for disagreeing. Tomorrow it'll be something else.
I'm going to be scarce for a while. I'm really surprised at the way things went with Teddy...and at the fact that we just let it happen. That changed things for me...pushed minor irritants into the foreground. -
Teddy paid the price?Teddy chose to react the way he did to whatever he thinks he was reacting to. Teddy's an adult. Let him speak for himself.I was truly going to let it go, but that last was unbelievable.Who do you think you are? Telling me what you think is acceptable and not? So, now you want to be the martyr and be scarce? Be my guest. I beat you to it. You won't have me to worry about anymore, any of you.
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Let's all of us keep in mind the great gift that is the Pedalback. As Bones once said to his mates "All that time in space, getting on each other's nerves. And what do we do when shore leave comes along? We spend it together!"
I've not had a dust-up with anyone here, so I can't attest to the feelings that come along with that experience. But the disagreements we've had are honest ones, and that says a lot about this group. No one is bullshitting anyone else- we're honest about our opinions and we're unafraid to voice them. That's the essence of worthwhile conversation. If you honestly don't agree with what another person says, that's alright. It's a Pedalback Commandment.
There's no face-saving necessary here. We're all of us on the same level. Let's just let go of this thing and move on. In 19 days, I want the whole family here. In fact, I want to see everyone here sooner. -
Comfy? Cozy?
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I just hear that in my head, in John Wood's voice... I love him...
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Dammit. By the way, all, we're married and shit. Surprise.
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I just cannot fucking believe I pulled that amateur shit tonight. Motherfucker. Just so y'all know, I'm not taking sides in the current debacle, and I'm not going anywhere, if I'm still invited. The reason Flick and I kept it on the DL is because we didn't want the obvious prejudices coming out and spoiling the fun, for all of us... and, for the record, I was on AICN before him (under a different name, fwiw.) So, this was not the way I wanted anyone to find out. We have always Pedalbacked as completely separate entities. But, there you go. God damn it, I cannot believe I did that. SHIT SHIT SHIT.
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I should have figured it out!!!!
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Both live in Jersey....HHHHAAA!!!! You guys fooled the shit out of me…
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I get back to find this monster double whammy - first the Subby thing (I'm so sorry to both of you for dredging that all up again, I truthfully didn't realise or remember), and then Flick & Ess? Whuh? Man, if you're not fuckin' with us, this beats even the Stabby con (can't even remember the name now)...
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...we just omitted details. We both felt- I felt, in particular- that if people knew, there would be a lot of tag-teaming expected of us, or we would be asked to explain each other, etc... I also thought I would get let respect, to be honest. That I would be relegated to side-kick status. I wanted to go this on my own. I am really pissed at myself that I fucked this up... but oh well.
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Courtesy of my daughter:
What's a pirate's favourite type of movie?
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That’s something my last Ex-wife and I might have done…God, Cobraman is gonna FREAK….
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Apparently, I can't check the log-in field OR type. Christ. I either need to stop drinking, or drink more.
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He probably wouldn't have been begging for me to wear nipple tassles earlier, if I was Mrs. Flick... and I love our little exchanges.
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You have excellent taste in men…Your husband is a personal hero of mine…
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but I have to work tomorrow. G'night Pebrews.
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He is a genuinely good man who never gave up on his dream...
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The first feature I worked on was Alex Proyas' little band film (now THERE's a movie totally fucked into redundancy by the American marketing) Garage Days. I was very proud of a sequence I boarded where one of the characters is mesmerised by a dancer in a club, and his eyes swivel with the ultra slow-motion twirling of the titty-tassles' hypnotic circular motion.
Cut out, dammit. Surely that woulda got some award for most lascivious/indulgent use of photosonics technology ever...
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I don't want this to change how you guys act towards me. I know it probably will, but I would like if it didn't. I haven't been as prolific as Flick, but I really do like hanging out here. On that note, I bid you all good evening.
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Heya Cheeses!
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Hey, Whitey....Wait’ll the rest of the Pebrews read about this…
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Now would probably be a good time to let you all know that Me and Subs…yeah, we’re the same person…Hard to believe, I know, but we ARE both the only ones in our late 40’s…Also, STLost and MacReadyman are robots sent from the future…in a hot tub time machine…
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And, Continentalop REALLY is Moses….
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i still don't have punctuation or spelling down all the way figured out
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from the future, Waterman...
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Jul 06, 2010 12:20:37 AM CDT
hi and bye cheeseman and nilla manster and mrs waitress
by water_shit_anderson
i gotta go takea rat nap.
i hope i dream of a pedalback where ted and subs and flick and all the rest of the gang are all together again and enjoying each others comapany.
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Jul 06, 2010 12:24:44 AM CDT
well i think cameron probably evolves into a rat in the future
by water_shit_anderson
or a rats dick...something like that.
later
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Jul 06, 2010 12:26:59 AM CDT
Waterman…I LOVED your goat-milk Hell-fire Seer sucker suit tale…
by cheeses_of_nazareth
I remember you logging back on and I was writing you a greeting when I apparently fell asleep in my chair…There were 21 beer cans in my castle this morning so, I guess I know why….But, hey, it was Benjamin Franklin’s Birthday or something…
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I have a hard enough time with the time travel what with what was said, what hasn't been said, things being revealed simultaneously being old news to me, don't start dicking around with identity too! The river not being the same river twice and all that zen stuff. Existing in the past, present and future is hard fo' a pimp.
Waterman you're still doing better than those damn monkeys. Years I've been waiting for those complete works of Shakespeare! Think I'll just chuck it in and pick up a paperback. Yes, dream of PB peace. -
Almost a year ago, there was Subtitles_Off, Six-Demon-Bag, Savagedave, Series 7, Stabby, Taking Scorpio’sCalls and several other ‘S’ prominent handles all one on top of the other…I read slow, cause I’m kind of a moron and I would get SOOOOO confused…
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Hug it out, bitches.
Scary, that's not a bad revelation. A bad revelation would be that you're secretly Hitler's ghost. This just reiterates what a shithead Diox is. -
I'm to lazy to really scan through all the shit you guys are talking about.
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(the new pan and scan):
http://tinyurl.com/3569afc
That's from the DVD thread.
The before version was sorta lousy, but the detail lost from waxy smoothing tech and pumping the contrast while introducing edge ringing is unquestionably worse. That's not stubble, it's like he's got a dirty sanchez or something! -
Scary Waitress is Mrs. Flickapoo…
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Sometimes it takes me half a day to catch up on the PB!
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I'd hug it out with you any day. Good post.
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scroll up, it's worth it.
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Nevermind.
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only for now, hopefully.
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sort of incredibly unhygienic? And in direct violation of all sorts of health codes?
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Well, as a Dad I guess parents ARE pretty immune to lotsa poo. The only thing I couldn't handle was when my kids where babies and it was that revolting sweet stuff. I wanted to help, honest I did, but I'd turn white (well, even whiter) and start retching every time.
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FlickaPoo and ScaryWaitress!!!Wow, I've been reading the Pedalbacks for ages now and this is BIG news. Also, white_vader, I hope you are not doing a JettL1993, what with all these stories and all. My kids loved Hi-5...
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coolwhip, thank you man- you've reaffirmed my faith in humanity.
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Jul 06, 2010 6:19:24 AM CDT
Since we're revealing things, I want to tell you all that...
by yackbacker
I'm Batman.
And I deeply appreciate all of your kind words on my behalf. 'Moose, cut out that roller-blading pic, I was on vacation and it was hot that day.
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my mind is blown too..this is bigger than vader revealing hes that one guys dad
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im gonna be thinking about this all day now..HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND???
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WAKING SLEEPING BEAUTY on dvd in november.
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actually, I think the bigger news is that we seem to have an audience member... people are READING this? Other than us? Shit, now I'm going to have to watch my language. Oops... scratch that.
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dont worry we are still cool and as far as im concerned, flick is YOUR sidekick.
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but we all know Flick ain't sidekick material.
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he put up at the Shelter? I didn't see anything about hugging... that Haters Gonna Hate stuff he's doing is effing hilarious, though.
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I step out for a bit and the shit falls apart.SUBS DON'T GO!This is the christ-ing interweb! I must say that Subby has always gone above and beyond at an essentially thankless job and for someone who punches the clock on the reg his opinions are going to flow freely. It's not like he waxed idiotic on ethnicity, pedophilia or religion.The PB has been around for a long time now and I have only been a part of it for a short time. I'm actually surprised shit like this doesn't go down more often but I also thought it was a little cold that no one seemed to even blink when Subs said he was out. I don't always agree with him but that is the beauty part of this place. Just log off or do something else for a while if someone starts getting to you.I think we need a team building exercise around here. Lets hunt down Doix and make him bleed. Honestly though...I think we all need to team up in a flame war out in the general public and relieve some stress. Remember what this place is supposed to be about and why it is so special.
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I have suspected the Scary/Flick connection for a long time.1. Both from Jersey.2.Both have a daughter.3. Flick said his wife knew all about wine and Scary knows all about wine.4. Flicks house is "old" and in Scary's monkey ass titty picture there was and old well pump in the background.5. They are rarely on at the same time.Thats right....I'm like the Sherlock Holmes of the PB. Teddy probably knew it too but he didn't make it in time for the final reveal. Poor kid. Had his whole life in front of him.
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yes this has happened before, and subs has walked before..its just his (and our) thing..its how we cool off i guess. and one of the PB commandments is to let whomever walked back into the fold, no questions asked, no grovelling, no having to save face..its like it never happened.hopefully, he and tedders will be back and we can continue to fight the good fight.
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it was from HOOK, john wood is close to dustin hoffman i guess.
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of deduction. For obvious reasons, I am not taking sides in this one, but I'm so bummed about it. A few months back we were all having so much fun... *sigh*. This kind of thing is bound to happen in tight-knit groups, though. We can only hope everyone comes to their senses.
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Read back a bit dude.
I think part of the emotion running high comes from the fact that we're actually honest in here with each other.
Well, except for those who hide in plain sight...
That's a joke, by the way. Oh and Scary, the other one you asked for was compliments of my daughter. Yours will probably enjoy that one in a few years time. -
Actually, I firmly believe that keeping it so you guys accepted me as a single entity means you saw more of the real me. I'm my own person here, not just Mrs. Flick... but who can know?
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right now, my dd laughs hysterically when we say OOOOF after she jumps on us and knocks all the air out of our lungs. I think I will prefer jokes to body slams and choke holds.
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so thats what you meant by meaning to say that to yourself..ive been looking for what you meant..and when you "outed" yourself accidentally..stoopid "monday" mornings..need way more caffeine if this is gonna happen.
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about being your own person. I guess I just sorta thought the types we have in here would treat you that way anyway. Or I sure hope that would be the case, and will continue to be so. But yeah, I getcha.
Body slams eh? I had TWO girls that would try to do it at the same time - so of course I always cried out, "STOP! You must NOT hop on pop!". Of course that turned into a chicken-and-egg thing. My boy was more into tricking me into reading Fox in Socks. Which is bloody hard!
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where you fell to you knees shouting Subs name at the moon;)I just hope Subby knows we all appreciate his presence here and I am gonna make a very dramatic grab at his attention to win his favor and heart....er..I mean...I AM NOT IN SECRET LOVE WITH HIM OK!!!Just shut up ok.
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Flick is a total player and players get ass.
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I love that. Anyhoo, I have to go to work sometime today... nothing like carting wine around in 100 degree heat... Peace be unto all Pebrews, including those not currently among us.
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Yeah, your man-love is definitely no secret all right...
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which I hope means Subs will come back, all "Pedalback... I jest cain't quit yooooo..."
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I get Ess' reasons for keeping her relationship with Flick hush-hush but I believe we've long ago reached the point where that news wouldn't have made much of a difference. I'm definitely not upset by this revelation, but I want to reinforce a point that may be lost amongst all of this hoopla: You guys should have trusted the group sooner. In the early days, I would have agreed that the identity of "Mrs. Flick" would have derailed conversation time and again, but the both of you have been regularly talking about your family life separately, and I think that disclosing the truth would have been appropriate long ago.
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Something's not right here. Let's do this again. One more time. Hold on. Just reading the last post... Scary and Flickapoo are MARRIED?
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that troll the PB for just such ammo for use at a later date. For instance:ScaryWaitress: Mikaela Banes performance in Transformers 3 makes Megan Fox look like Meryl Streep.lockesbrokenleg_redux: Go FlickPoo in your cooter you stupid troglodyte.Ya know something like that only waaaaaay worse. There is a reason for anonymity round these parts.I kind of marvel at the level of generosity we as the Pebrew nation lend each other when it comes to our personal info. Thank for The Shelter.
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I think we just fell into a pattern, ourselves. We always had a loose, agreed-upon code between us that we wouldn't coordinate our posts, gang up on anyone, post any outright lies about ourselves, or (of course) get personal with each other... I think we just got comfortable doing that, is all. If it appears I have underestimated all you guys, I apologize for that. It wasn't my intention... I respect all of you, and our code of decent conduct has been remarkably respected and upheld, even through this latest blow-up, which says a lot about all of you as a group. I'm actually really glad it's out now though... it's nice to be fully myself here now. On that note, I really DO have to work. eace out...
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For pulling out a HOOK quote up above.
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SURPRISE!!!!!!!
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ess thrusts her hand into the open fire to retreive her tassles. she turns swiftly, regretting her instinctive actions as she place the tassles on her enigmatic bosomthe collective peebers rush to aid the mother figure and see no burns on her hand.Ess defiantly turns around and removes her tassles.**cue swelling john williams score**
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that film is like a warm hug..all will be right afterwards..
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and it's a circus in here! Hope everyone had a good holiday.
ScaryWaitress: Wow! I never suspected it! I have to hunt down where you thought you blew your cover. Well done! Nothing's changed...you're still Scary Waitress!
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I'm just kinda... there at the moment. She was gone all weekend. I wrote her a letter saturday after she left. It made me feel better. Wrote her another one sunday, the day we'd usually be at her parents' house laying by the pool, cooking out, playing driveway games like cornhole and street pong or beer pong with her brother and friends. I had nothing to do so I just sat around all day like a loser. Kept reading that book I started, though, so that was good. My friend/roommate who moved in bc his gf kicked him out last month went out for Taco Bell, then texted me to say his gf (I guess they're back together now that he's moved out, I dunno) wanted to hang out, so he was going there. Said he'd call me later but he never did. So it gets dark and the neighborhood is setting off fireworks. I grabbed a folding chair and sat at the edge of my driveway with a beer in my hand and watched. Then I called my friend who did the makeup for my zombie short and made the costume for the Fantastic Fest monster short and went to their place. She's entering a hamburger recipe contest and her baby daddy and I got to try it out. Burger with melted brie and a homemade masala mayonnaise with mushrooms and tomato. Delicious. Then I showed them the first segment of the Japanese Ghost Story anthology "Kwaidan" (available on Criterion DVD), called "The Black Hair". Then I showed them the awesome Samurai Jack episode with the haunted house and the flashbacks drawn in black and white like hatching or just sweeping ink lines. Its an awesome bit of art. Then I came home. Woke up the next day and she was in the house, which was surprising. We stood around talking in the kitchen. I had carelessly left a sheet of paper on the kitchen table that had a few notes written down on it, thoughts that came to me when I wasn't writing a letter to her but wanted to remember for later. She picked it up and read it. One of the notes said something along the lines of "Please don't give up on this completely. We have too much history together. Let me move out, let's take a break, but let's start over. Let me woo you again." She then surprised me and said we could do that, we could make this a break and try again. But only if I could handle that, if I wasn't going to call her 5 times a day, implying that's what I did on our last break. But on our last break, I was alone in South Carolina working on a movie, my dog had just died, I had no friends, and it looked like she was hanging out with another guy the whole time. And she kept texting me flirty messages and stuff, so I called every now and then. Anyway, she said we could try but she made sure to say there are no promises, no assurances it would go anywhere. I'm not sure how to take that. I guess I should start looking for places to move into today.
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Love that score.
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second star to the right and straight on til morning..NEVERLAND
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A repost from the Predator 2 thread. Or my consciousness went into the body of someone who was killed by a Predator. I was laying face-first on the ground and listened as the Predator taught another one how to properly yank the spinal column and skull out of a fresh kill. I could feel his clawed fingers as the pressed and wriggled around each of my vertebrae to loosen up the tendons and ligaments, to separate my spinal column from the back muscles that held it together. Then I felt the slit made at the bottom near my tailbone and with one sickening yank, I felt my spinal column ripped free of the body, and my skull came flying out of my headskin. My vision went kind of hazy in one eye, like static on a television screen, and I realized its because one of my eyes fell out. The Predator took his claws and plucked out the remaining eye, and as he did this, my vision went completely into tv static and then black. And in that instant, the "camera angle" changed, and I was suddenly outside of my body, watching the Predator pluck my eye out of my bloody red skull and crush it between his fingers like a grape. I had this dream after the zombie dream in which I was driving a mini-tank around the Walking Dead and watching idiotic friends of mine wrestle with close zombies, shooting them in the face but never in the head, and then when they finally decide to put the zombie down and aim for the forehead, as its arms are wrapped all around my friend, he has run out of bullets and I have to come in and save the day. Yeah, weird dreams last night. I blame it on watching Michael Jackson's Thriller at 8:30.
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I must have missed your previous post or something, but it sounds like what I think it sounds like. Sorry to hear that. Don't look at it as a bad thing. Think of it as a chance to get started again on a different path, and see if it takes you to her again.....or someone else.
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Now, now, now.... Sigh.
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We broke up saturday morning, 2 months shy to the day of our 5 yr anniversary.
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set around action set pieces...kinda like your zombie one. One time I have to save a mall from terrorists. Another one I'm in a building saving people from more terrorists. Another there was an alien invasion and I wasn't capture, and found some guns and tried to take out the invasion.
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well half of it at least..i will probably watch the remainder tonight.from what i saw (the uncut version) it wasnt bad, but then again i wasnt expecting much. i like the tone theyve set so far and you really cant mess with benny del toro.
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baby steps to your new apartment.and dont look back..i hate to say it but it sounds like shes trying to let you down easy or shes being wishy washy now..which is something you really dont want..whos to say she wont do this again??move out, enjoy your freedom, be self confident, yes, go to lunch in some time, but make it look like youre happy. she'll ask you back and you'll tell her youll think about it.im telling you HIGH FIDELITY will never let you down.
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we have 3.5 rows of Pergo® laminate flooring down. No fights with the wife yet, and only two scratched knuckles.
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dammit i just realized YOU were quoting HOOK and i responded, thinking you quoted WHAT ABOUT BOB? witht he baby steps remark..yo bartender, jobu needs a refill!
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that shit is a pain in the ass..defintely corners and edges..but its worth itor so my parents tell me..it was their house.
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http://tinyurl.com/2g37ha5
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My wife and I have never touched the stuff before. Her mom has, so she was over helping us out at the beginning. Our first couple of rows involved a door, vent and a bay window angle.
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i hit record so im gonna have a blast form the past when i get home..cube and t with paxton and sadler..under the direction of hill.it has been too too long.
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... well i'm game if you guys are!
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Only in LA!
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Hhahahahaha... Flicka and Waitress that is awesome!
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION of my brain!
It actually warms my heart, that two of my fave talkbackers are an item. Waitress, you're very cool and don't give too much away but Flicka - how the devil YOU didn't let something slip and give the game away i'll never know!
Wow, that's so fun kinda like a couple of secret agents, it takes a lot to impress me on aicn but i'm impressed by you two!
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Thanks for reminding we D.V. I had a good time too.
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SDB, TRESPASS - a v.cool little action flick, underrated. DEEP COVER is another goodie from around the same time (with Fishburne, back when he was called Larry and half the man he is now).
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But you will blow him first. http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/?attachment_id=30557 http://tinyurl.com/3a5w4cq New Internet meme is hi-larious.
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Sure it is an ego boost that we have coolwhip reading us, but how long before we have to start catering to demographics.
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...I'd have a hard time staying away from here...if you'll have me.
I really hate being part of trouble...that sort of thing fucks up my flicking aim and poo style.
Either way, I'll still be a little scarce. We're paying someone to watch Dear Child so I can work...and I'm a cheap bastard. Nothing like paying someone else so YOU can work to light a fire under your ass.
I'm going to get some work done while the good jury decides my fate.
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where jeff goldblum transforms into a cold blooded bastard and clarence williams III (YES!!) reigned supreme and the world was introduced to a young musical talent named snoop doggy dogg on the title track.
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QUEEN OF THE HARPIES! HERES YOUR CROWN YOUR MAJESTY..
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on at the same time, sharing a computer, with two tabs open: one with Flick logged in and the other, Scary logged in. It's amazing they didn't slip up sooner. Or maybe they did once or twice, but no one noticed!
And Flick, not to worry. Speaking for myself, it would take A LOT (and I mean A LOT) to make me hate on Pebrews for anything they might say on here. We're here to talk, laugh, debate, cry, sex it up, you name it. I'm all for open discussion.
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Toddlerpoo is Cheeses or something.
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if ed harris starts talking to me and tells me im on tv.
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plus, it makes sense how DW was so interested in some of the funny stuff that was going on. He was relaying stuff to Scary!
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she thinks this is stupid.
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my GF calls it my "nerd site". She also thinks it is stupid. Lately there has been more drama than her Kardashian bullshit so fuck her.
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Anyway, I don't see the big deal about this. Like Yack said, I'm past the point of being shocked and affected by this. The only thing it affects is my family analogy. They've been getting it on like Luke and Leia this whole time, right under our noses.
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my wife usually rolls here eyes when i speak of the peebers
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that must mean I'm like..a retarded third cousin in from Boise.
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as well!
I haven't even mentioned the name of it to her and the history of it and all of it's nicknames and memes. She'd probably leave or something. -
my wife likes a few reality shows, but hates TV in general. Which is kinda nice. Over the past few years we've slowly moved away from television, only devoting a few hours a week to it.
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Flicka, I have a friend who tidies the house before the cleaner comes round.
And you're not part of the trouble, as Mac implies you're part of the entertainment! These 0's and 1's down our wires are all just a bit of fun.
This pedalback has had an excellent run and if Subs wants to call it a day then i'd respect that - I kinda feel he has some ownership of the whole affair.
Speaking for myself I haven't mourned the loss of Ted cos he's not lost! He's a gloryboy and he's free to post here whenever he wants. Anyone is. And if the Pedalback is winding to a conclusion I am sure we will all remember it positively. I know I will. -
Jul 06, 2010 12:58:02 PM CDT
We go to movies whenever there's something we can agree on...
by anonymoose
...which is pretty much all the time.
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I swear, she's like a guy trapped in a woman's body. She has beaten me at Halo. AT HALO.
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And we're usually not wanting to spend the money. We lost 50% of our income when she quit to stay at home with our daughter. That's a big hit, and the entertainment portion of the budget takes a big hit because of that.
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...but she IS Asian (part Korean, part Japanese). She's fucking nuts with games, anime, manga, movies, etc...
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I have grown to enjoy and be entertained by everyone here but I don't mind letting everyone in on a little secret......Flick is what brought me here.I come for the Flick but I stay for the Pebrews.Awe shucks. Now I'm blushing.
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After trying to seduce Subs back into the fold and now revealing a cybernetic man crush on Flick I am officially the gayest guy on here today. Well now I have to go lift heavy things and keep painting my house. Ya know man shit....to cover up my tendencies.I'M NOT GAY! YOU'RE ALL THE ONES WHO ARE GAY! LEAVE ME ALONE!
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but we do have some common ground..she draws the line at star trek and sci fi..she DID see episode 3 with me at midnight.she was also a cheerleader in college..and how she ended up with me is anyones guess.
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So the "nerd" got the cheerleader? How hollywood movie-ish of you two!
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...Twins to be precise. And not just any type of twin, but Siamese twins. Just thought you should know.
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Least I got the right hand. You can't even masturbate straight.
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attached?
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Hehehe. If only Conti... If we were joined at the hip then doubtless you'd have some fantastic film noir for our entertainment tonight. Instead i'll be subjecting myself and Mrs Cobra to '2012'... wish me luck, i'm gonna need it (plus several bottles of red).
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i will not lie. it is some superb entertainment. the cast really elevates that film. cobes, watch out, cause you will be sucked into that film by the power of amanda peet. hotness.
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very AFTERmash-esque and kinda like a halfassed twitter account.
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...and I'm not saying who gets what.
How many Pebbrews does it take to make up a jury, anyway? I hope it's not as hard as being a referred film, or my chicken is hucked. If John McClane can't cut it I don't stand a chance.
As always, you guys made me laugh my ass off while catching up today...I'm tempted to comment on individual posts, but I think I'll just say thanks instead.
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...even back in regular full-contact Talkback. I figured he'd show up sooner or later, and when he did I made my move and jumped his sweet patootie.
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...from the dojo. For the threesome, I think I'm going to angle for 'Moose's girlfriend...we'll see how it plays out.
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as long as you live blog it..
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...to do but blog out my feelings.And maybe a little FOOTLOOSE style angerdance...
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Never understood why I'd enjoy spending time on internet message boards. Never mind the fact that I've been here since I was 14.
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http://tinyurl.com/2bp57oz
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...exactly Poland makes the coolest posters in the world...but they do. Isolation during Communism? I'll have to look into it.
A Google search of Polish Posters yields amazing results. I'd never seen the one with the chameleon. Love it.
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...tried to be him for a little while when I was younger. Didn't work out so hot.
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http://tinyurl.com/ng7654
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You mean 14 year olds REALLY do post on AICN? I always just thought of that as just a clichéd dis…So, I’m assuming Dioxholsterboy is…what? 12?
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Looking for photos of the upcoming Star Wars: Special Editions, and found myself at a fledgling AICN back in 1996. I think Harry finally created a very simple message board back in early 1997, and that's when the name D.Vader was born. A lot of those folks abandoned ship many years ago after getting tired of Harry and AICN antics in general. When the site completely revamped the message boards to what it is now and then started the talkbacks, they turned and never looked back. We made a home at another message board and I go there occasionally, though not as much as we used to.
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I mean those original AICN message board commenters who liked talking to each other, much like this group.
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...movie posters, but never so many together and at decent resolution...those are insane!
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Jul 06, 2010 3:41:19 PM CDT
I have been lurking AICN since about that same time...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
Heard or read about it somewhere and really liked it…it was funny and I loved the talkbacks, but I was heavily involved with another talkback that had started on the Art Bell Site Talkbacks, so I never jumped in…It wasn’t until this time a year ago that I ever posted…
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Is Art Bell still around? I used to listen to his midnight radio show when I worked the graveyard shift as a security guard at an oil refinery. So, that's where you got all your conspiracy theories.
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Naw, Art retired not long after 9-11...Roy Neary or somebody, I don’t know, took over and it is still on the air as far as I know…I get most of my current conspiracy needs filled at Rense.com. I also like TheDailyGrail.com…I never listened to Art, I found his website searching for info on Sitchin’s Nibiru theories after I read Genesis Revisited and there was a talkback devoted to the subject and we all clicked and later resettled together at another site when Bell closed his website…
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If it wasn't for that and Star's End on public radio I wouldn't have lasted at that job as long as I did. Many a night I fell asleep to his show and had crazy weird-assed dreams.
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can't wait to get that on dvd.
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to a lot of possibilities I had never considered…
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show regularly in the 80s as a kid. I used to tape all the funny songs too. I think I have those in the basement somewhere.
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I got him late Sunday nights on a station out of Chicago that I could only get at night…this was ‘76-’78...
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That I first heard Alice’s Restaurant….and, “Fish Heads, Fish Heads, Rolly, Polly Fish Heads…”
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...wow, I'd forgotten about DR. DEMENTO. I used to listen to him in Italy on the Air Force station.
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Also, the first time I heard Jerry Lewis(?) sing that song about “Just BLOW me….kisses….”
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with the radio not too loud to wake my parents up. I'd have a finger near the record button on the off chance a favorite song or two would come on.
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They're coming to take me away haha
Cheech and Chong skits
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The don't make nun names, like that no more.
it went something like that..
"No more cool nun names...like Sister Bob and Sister Ray."
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...for me there was the added danger of being accused of listening to Satan music. Praise for the Sony Walkman.
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http://www.drdemento.com/
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that you are trying to record, you try to end it just before the next song begins (or commercial begins). It was tricky.
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Thanks Cheeses.
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Dr. Demento gotta eat…According to Wiki, his show was still in syndication until June 2010...WHERE???
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I remember my pastor preaching that KISS stood for Kings in Satan’s Service…and true to form, today Gene Simons and Paul Stanley are pimping Cherry Dr. Pepper with a midget replica band…Remind me never to do business with Satan…His payoffs look pretty under whelming …
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my brother and I got "boom boxes" for christmas. Except they were tiny. He got a single cassette player one from sanyo. I hit the jackpot and got the dual cassette player/recorder from some company I don't even remember. It was about the size of a basic keyboard. Not a huge monster stereo. Plus it was all silver and chrome. I loved that stereo. I think it was from my grandparents. They sent the money to my parents, and they bought them for us.
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we've gone from cassettes with 10-12 song mix tapes to Ipods that hold thousands of crystal clear songs that will never sound funny from playing them too much
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and tackle more Pergo® Later all!
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Jul 06, 2010 4:56:19 PM CDT
Of course, Gene does get to fuck Shannon Tweed...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
So, there is THAT…
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Keep fucking that Pergo…
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8-tracks to iPhones...
Still, we only had Reel-to-Reel and Technicolor movies when we ‘landed’ the first man on the Moon…
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Until the invention of the 8-track, if you wanted to listen to music in your car, you listened to AM radio or you sang to yourself…8-track changed all that…now you could listen to Elton John, America or Santanna in the comfort of your own automobile while you traveled between vinyl record players…So what if it annoyingly clicked tracks in the middle of your favorite song…
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...essentially a medieval village in Norway. Came over on a sail ship and was processed at Ellis Island. Went to a "fan show" in the 20s and felt guilty about it all his life I guess, because he confessed it to me not too long before he died. Couldn't get over the girl's ankles.
He distinctly remembered seeing his first clear plastic bag...he said it looked like flexible glass.
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I just read ... The wine, it was the wine. And they both live in Jersey ... Chris Nolan should pay fucking attention. THIS is how you engineer a plot twist. The Pedalback just had its EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, with Subs leaving and the Revelation.
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Flick…wow…the things he must have marveled at that we take for granted…indoor plumbing for example…electricity…game changers all…
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...material.
Cheeses, yeah...amazing. But I guess things happen slowly when you live them. The internet is huge, but to me it didn't feel like that big of a deal day to day while it was happening. I was kind of oblivious, though. -
Who died when I was in Junior High remembered visiting her grandfather’s plantation in Georgia and watching the slaves pick cotton…and she never missed an opportunity to tell us little ones about it at her 80th thru 90th birthday parties…that was always a difficult conversation with her.
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...wave of the future, baby! I hear it's going to be big! Yesterday, we shat in a hole in the ground, and pretty soon we're going to crap inside every day of the week...not just on Sundays.
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Sorry for dropping in. If it's any consolation, I've left my mind behind. Don't touch it. It's highly unstable at this point. Piece yall.
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HHHAAAA!!!Flush, baby. Flush!!!
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Jul 06, 2010 6:37:03 PM CDT
Daughter is queing up Fear and Lothing in Las Vegas...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
I’ve never seen it…
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Jul 06, 2010 6:42:48 PM CDT
Toby Maguire, Spiderman, as a long haired albino hitchhicker???
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HHHHAAAA!!!!
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Fear and loathing is a great fucking film!! don't mind him he's just admiring the shape of your skull.gilliams said he's never taken drugs...yeah right
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Talk to me, Dark Lord.
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Been in the house all day. Almost went out but stayed bc I wanted to see her when she got home from work. I'll be gone the next 4 nights, then we have one week together, then I'm at the beach with my family for a week and the day I get home, she leaves to be with her family for a week. When that week ends is when she said, in her anger last week, she wanted me out of the house. I know I shouldn't care, but she came home and went on a walk with a friend down the street and she's been there since. And I've been inside. I just need to get out, but I don't want to drink. I had my bad drinking days during the last breakup, I don't really want to do that again. Just need to talk to some people. I wish my friends in Austin were still here. Or, I wish she just came home and then I wouldn't be all worried and could just relax and go to bed or at least go out without wanting to see her first. This is so goddamned hard.
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No doubt about that- I agree that drinking is not going to help you much. But what about her being out worries you so much?
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I know she's with a friend down the street. It worried me last week when she was out until 3 am and not answering my phone calls. I still think that's weird too. Tonight I'm not worried, just antsy. Because I want to see her. And I want her to see me before I leave.
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Breaks up always suck, especially when you've got a long history built up together. You've invested a lot of emotion into her, it sucks when it feels like it was all for naught.
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Why do you want to see her and have her see you? Didn't see give you an ultimatum to move out?
I'm not being ignorant, I am being honest. Why do you feel compelled to see her and have her see you? In all honesty, what will that accomplish? -
Maybe you could write her a letter and leave it for her at some point. Whatever the case, you can only do so much to get yourself that kind of closure. It's the hardest thing in the world to exist in a set of circumstances that you feel is just plain wrong. But maybe you need to get some distance from things in order to get a better perspective, to understand that while things may feel wrong, perhaps there are other things you can do, and other places you can be that will get you back on track.
Bottom line: you've got to take care of yourself. Imagine how you would talk to a good friend in your circumstances. Try to pull back from your emotional state and think of what's going on from an outsider's perspective. I broke up with two loves in my life, both of them were hard to move on from. But I did. You will too, but be patient with yourself. And try to keep your mind occupied with other things in the meantime. Distraction will give your brain time to digest these things and it will give your emotional state a much-needed break. -
You're welcome
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The guy is going through a bad time. Is that really appropriate, especially considering we are not on one of the main TBs?
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Happened during that angry conversation after 3 in the morning after both of us have had drinks. We had a much calmer, albeit filled with lots of tears, discussion/breakup saturday morning. There was no ultimatum then. I dunno if it still stands or if she wants this to be more friendly and will give me more time. She did say this could be a break but no promises too. Do you think if she'd been with someone else she would say that? Anyway, as you asked Lop, what would it accomplish? I dunno. I guess closure in knowing she's home. And I guess I hope her seeing me will just spark something. Ugh.
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I've written her a letter everyday, except yesterday since we were home together all day. I'm contemplating giving them to her. ACtually, I'm 100% sure now I'll give them to her. Just not sure when. Is sooner better? Later after I'm leaving?
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Do you REALLY want to be with her? In all honesty. Is this more about your ego and not willing to accept defeat, or is it because you really do care for her.
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At this point, it sounds like she's just disengaged from everything involving your relationship. She isn't coping, so her m.o. is to get away. Giving her the letters now won't persuade her to see things your way. She is in complete defense-mode now.
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I mean, I hate to be the guy pouring salt on your wounds, but once again is it you just trying to manipulate her and her feelings?
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Jul 06, 2010 8:34:31 PM CDT
I am skimming through all top TB's and Vader needed advice
by liberal_warrior
And you gave him some pussy ass shit. If the bitch don't want him, then tell the bitch to jump the fuk off. Whining and moaning wont do shit. What woman wants a man who whines his way back in after she fuked his shit up? She would have no respect for him, and he would resent her. Best way to end it is to be a man and walk the fuk out. If that don't work, then tell the bitch to jump the fuk off. Namby pamby bullshit wont get the job done.
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Between Vades' ego being hurt or having genuine feelings. He can be feeling both and it doesn't really change the value of what exists in this relationship he has with his woman.
Sometimes you can genuinely love someone and it just doesn't work. Other times, a relationship can work and you're not in love. Getting both at the same time is kind of the trick. But it's been my experience that you can never force those things to happen. It takes time and an honest perspective to figure that out. -
I planned to propose to her later this year. There is some ego involved, yes, bc I do not like accepting defeat at all. I actually have a hard time accepting a lot of things, foolishly believing I can change them, that through my sheer force of will sometimes, I can affect outcomes. Naive sure. But it keeps me from giving up on things early. And Lop, this stuff is good. I've got no one I feel I can talk with about this, no one I want to talk to about this right now. Haven't told my parents. Don't really want to discuss it with our roommate/good friend of mine. So don't feel bad about possibly making me feel bad.
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I guess I hope the letters communicate to her what I've been feeling and thinking better than a conversation with her would. I feel like this has come about because of a big loss of communication between us, that she kept a lot of things to herself, or when she did express concerns, I didn't realize how strong they were, how bad things were. I guess I hope the letters show her that I really do care, that I know I made mistakes, but that I feel we shouldn't give up on this.
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But what good does it do if maybe the guy won't listen to it right now, hmm. And maybe it sounds a little callous. Besides, it also sounds condescending.
And I actually have no beef against you Lib_Warrior, I think you are mostly an ok dude, but I will basically tell you the same thing I told that dick head MJ. I am not afraid to fight any fucking guy on this site. I told him I'm 5'7", 140lbs so maybe he will buy it and actually want to meet me, but I got no doubts about my manliness. I'm sure some guys can kick my ass on this site, but I am willing to take that bet and am not afraid of getting hurt.
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why do you think things have gone off the rails?
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I don't give advice very often - but I'm in a generous fukken mood tonight. Smackin trolls does that to me. It aint no sin to be hurt by a woman, but it is a sin to lose your self respect trying to win her back when she don't want you. Write your letters, but don't show her shit. If she don't want you, nothing you can say or do will change her mind - just like you did not want the fat girl with lime disease who had a crush on you in second grade. Feel your pain if you have to, but don't let her see it. That concludes my contribution.
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I'm not trying to make it an either/or situation. I am just saying that if you are leaving the letters to manipulate her she is going to notice that. Women have a Spidey Sense for manipulation. They know when we are trying to push their buttons.
Sometimes the best thing to do in a situation like this IS take a break. I know that feels like you are going to lose her, but think about it: She will either learn to appreciate you, you will realize if you really love her or not, and you get a chance for emotions to calm down.
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Sure, Sixes…Gilliam NEVER did drugs…Riiiiight ….
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And btw, I am trying to arrange an actual fight with MJ. I hope he fucking buys my Trojan Horse thing about me being small. I'm going need to take a photo of a scrawny friend to convince him.
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Show me the fukken difference between the jackass who is all tough and mighty on the internet calling people out, and the 'polite' guy on the internet who says he aint afraid of no one and will fight anyone and aint afraid of gettin hurt? Project much?
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You can't manipulate a person who's disengaged, like she has. I guess I thought Vades' letters were meant to give him closure, so he would feel like he did his best to put himself out there. But you're right- the letters won't change anything, and they won't give him closure even. Vades, just put your thoughts into other things and get some distance on this one. Right now you don't have a network of people you can rely on- and you've kept this from your roommate and family. Right now, you're antsy because you're completely isolated. Either start opening up to your family (which I recommend) or get yourself outta Dodge and start doing things that are productive and not at all related to the break-up.
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A break. Hopefully. I'm definitely moving out. She doesn't want to cut things off. Whether or not that's her trying to be nice and let me down easy or have her cake and eat it too or because she still loves me and maybe hopes this will help, I dunno. But that's what I'm hoping for. That this break will be good for us. She's open to the idea, so that's good. She didn't say no, we're done. Yack, why do I think things went off the rails? I don't know. Not sure entirely. I know I said something pretty bad back in October, but I immediately apologized and I know its hurtful. But it was enough to stick with her. Before that, I wasn't too interested in her search for a house and was out with friends (who get home after 12 so we end up running late) the night before the day she closed on the house. Which was a very big deal to her apparently. Which leads me to the big problem- lack of communication. I feel like she held things in too much the things that were bothering her. And when she told me things she didn't like, the importance of it just never hit me. I never fully understood it, I guess. I needed her to look at me and tell me "This is very important to me. Please come with me," when she went to look for houses. But she didn't and she let it stew. And there are other situations very much like that. Of course, I screwed up with the house thing and the what-I-said thing, then there was the birthday present fiasco in which she didn't get a present until almost 3 months later because I'm an idiot. She says those 3 things piled up and are hard for her to forget. I think those three things are not worth breaking up completely over.
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I gotta agree with ‘Lop and Lib…The weaker you appear to her right now will have NOTHING but an adverse effect on your chances of re-uniting with her in the future…She EXPECTS you to melt down…Nothing would give her more pleasure…Every woman out there wants a self sufficient man…Get away and give it some time…finding another chick quickly will go a long way towards her going “what was I thinking…”Human courtship and relationships are really fucked up that way …
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I've got the shit kicked out of me. I know my limitations. BUT I seriously doubt I am going to be fighting some street fighter who will kick my ass when I am down. I box and do muay thai so I have been hit before.
My point was what is the point of challenging people's manliness on the internet? You are on an internet sight and talking about "bitch" do this, how do we know anyone is talking more than shit? Isn't it better to be respectful.
I got challenged by MJ and he talked shit and said he would meet up with me at Comic Con and i accepted. If you doubt me, we can arrange something between ourselves. Nothing in hostility or personal, just a harmless little spar. I got no problem backing up my claim I will fight anyone here - I might lose, but I'm not afraid (well, except for Dioxholster - he kind of freaks me out). -
Break out of your habits and re-invent your routine. Don't do it to impress her though- do it because your current set-up isn't working for you. It's time to just worry about yourself. That other shit will work out either way.
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Jul 06, 2010 9:05:20 PM CDT
Funny aside: Danny DeVito was at the Lohan Courthouse today
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Turns out he wasn't there to support Lohan, he was serving Jury Duty in another case. Man, if I'm up on a murder charge, I want DeVito picked for my jury. -
There are a LOT of hot chicks out there waiting to meet you…My first divorce was at 29 and it ushered in the best fucking time of my life, which led to the best relationship I had ever been in…One that lasted for 13 years and took me to Las Vegas and many wild sexual adventures…You’re a Pebrew. will watch over you…
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But her agreeing to this temporary break up might not mean she is willing to try again. It could just be her trying to make it easier to split up and avoid conflict. Not telling you this to make you feel bad, but just so you can not be taken by surprise if it happens.
And the communication thing is probably a big deal. Look, I'm taking your side because you are a buddy, but we have to accept the fact that men and women look for separate things. Guys are looking for sex; women are looking for security. It doesn't make her feel that secure that you are going to stick around if you make it big if you forget her birthday or don't help out or don't really communicate.
Don't knock herself up over that. It is just you being young. Everyone is an idiot in relationships at your age - that is the point in being in one, to learn what works and what doesn't. Even if it doesn't work out with her, at least you'll have learned something being with her and from the break up that you can carry on to the next one. -
You are a hypocritical blowhard. With no sense or irony.
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I really needed to talk to someone and you guys have helped a lot. I appreciate it so very much.
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Pedalback is hallowed ground…like in Highlander…
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That guy has no idea what it means to be a finder of fact... or an entertainer.
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People, that's how hot it is in NY.
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Truth. What they are--are her attempts to put herself out there guilt free and if she
finds someone she cut you loose. If she doesn't, then shell give you another shot. Regardless, you don't want a finicky girl ever. And in the meantime, she will be dating And you will stay faithful (or no?). best case scenario: you move on during this break. worst cAse: you get back together and everythings fine until one night you get into a fight and then you play the game--let's compare how many people you fucked while we were broken up! There are no winners in that game. Trust me. watch SWINGERS and HIGH FIDELITY...they will lead you to the light -
...if it is, feel free to ignore it or tell me to shut up, but did the S_X situation ever change after the last time there was a problem?
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But I really don't get the hostility from you. Have I been respectful, yes. I only challenged your tone with someone we were talking to because it seemed disrespectful for what he was going through. Did I give you the benefit of the doubt over it? Yes, how were you to know what the situation was.
Did I say I don't doubt my manliness when you challenged it - yes I did. You basically called us a bunch of pussies because we were discussing his problems. Maybe I was a little defensive, but probably because you included my buddies into the mix.
Did I say I would fight you in a sparring match? Yes. Am I willing to risk getting my ass kicked? Yeah. What is a few lumps. For all I know you're a K-1 fighter. And I won't get upset if you don't want to do it or question your manliness. For all I know you're a fucking Big Brother and a take care of special needs kids - fucking manlier and tougher shit than I will ever do.
But what I want stand for is someone throwing around accusations of being a pussy or wimp when the only way we can back it up is by meeting and "proving" ourselves. I have no problem doing that. I'm not saying you have to, but I am willing to back that part up.
And once again, I got nothing against you. But in all honesty it looks like you are looking for an argument. Maybe you are not, but you should look at your comments and see how they read. You might be surprised. -
Brighter days are on your horizon…but, if you want her back, you need to be strong…Women gravitate to men they see as ‘strong’ who will pay attention to them. Just listen to her…I learned that trick after my first marriage…women love to talk…you just need to listen…It will often make your ears bleed but just nod and throw in an occasional ’what?” or “get the fuck out of here…” on your part will go a long way to wooing a new woman…and maybe your old one in time…I guess what I’m saying is, if you keep doing the same thing, you will always get the same result…
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Whatcha mean by that?
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Reading back I can see I do come across as someone being passive aggressive. But in my defense I just got done arguing and trying to arrange and actual fight with some douchebag in another TB.
My apologies LW. I actually misinterpreted some of your comments and overreacted defensively.
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...it had been a long time, and you weren't happy about it...understandably.
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Take it to another thread...PLEASE?
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And insecure motherfuckers gotta front.
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Is were you two still having sex after you said whatever you said in March…? Or was it earlier…>
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I swear. I apologized. Time to move on.
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Are you referring to what I said back in October? Did I tell you guys about that?
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Not to take away from the Vader thing. But I figured you'd all want to know that.
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Thanks for taking the high road...Steve McQueen is smiling right now…
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But we did have sex after that. Not as frequently as we had had it before (and I mean before I got frustrated and said what I said), but we were still doing it. I think before it was just bad scheduling. Her being tired, me working late, things just not clicking at the right times. It finally stopped around her birthday back in March.
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TAO OF STEVE can be added to 6DB's film list. Seriously good advice in that.
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Funny people
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Listen up you armadillo fukken, goat strokin, son of a twice fukked baboon-bitch. You wanna pick a fight with the Warrior? Bring it. Continentalop - you are sill a hypocritical blowhard, but I accept your apology. Now to deal with this other wombat fukken piece of shit. Lets dance white face vader.
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...a lot of us, but that doesn't sound like a healthy relationship if you are not having sex that long. That is a serious symptom of something being wrong. I remember you talking about this before, you must of had suspicions of something wrong right? Well, you have suspicions for a reason - something was WRONG.
I'm not going to pass judgement but if you really wanted to make it work you probably should have worked on it in the past when you first started noticing something.
You're not the one to blame in this DV, but neither is she. It sounds like both of you had problems with it, and maybe it IS a good thing is over.
And if you do like her and want her back, you've got to learn not to be obsessed over her and work on yourself. Don't try to convince her that you are the man she should be with, BECOME the man she should be with and let her see and learn it herself.
DId that make any sense? -
Breaks are bullshit. The big thing I keep coming back to is her total lack of ability to communicate with you. This passive aggressive way of behaving- stewing for months about things, rather than even communicating- really screws with your head. It ALSO shows a lack of respect that is not good in a long-term relationship. I really think the best thing you could do right now is pack up your necessary stuff and leave ASAP. Don't leave the letters- I agree that that kind of thing is manipulative (having had this tactic used on me, I can attest to that) and besides, long history aside, I don't think this relationship is healthy. This talk of breaks is so she can feel less guilty. She continues to show her inability to communicate what she really wants (though her actions are doing a bang-up job of that.) I think it's time you got the hell out of there, gave YOURSELF a break, and moved on. She has a lot of growing up to do... and you're too good a person to put up with this shit. But that's just me. Unlike 99% of women I know, I DESPISE unnecessary drama... and your (please) soon-to-be ex REEKS of drama.
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My roommate showed up and he wants to go out. I kind of just want to sleep at this point, but I guess we need to talk anyway. As for what happened in October, Cheeses, we were in Vegas for her best friend's wedding. We hadn't had sex in awhile. We were in an awesome hotel room. We had sex once. Every night after I tried but we were too tired or drunk. Finally, the last night she said she was too tired and I was drunk and got upset and basically said something terrible like "If you don't want to, I'll find someone who does." Which was me not communicating. For awhile I was very sexually frustrated and I wanted to convey that to her, to let her know I was not happy in that area, that I felt we needed to be trying harder. Unfortunately, I did it the wrong way. Well that quote stuck with her apparently. I hate that I said that.
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Seriously LW, don't f'ing fight here. I thought when you toned it down you gave DV some good advice. I would prefer you giving out advice than fighting.
I understand when someone riles someone else up here it is natural to fight back - it practically is what this place is for - but we come here to get away from that. If white_vader apologizes will you let it go and we can go back to DV? I would appreciate it. -
And that's what I'm trying for.
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Whitey was just defending his friend's back..No one here wants a fight with you…eace be unto you…Join us in civil discussion.
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You turned this place into a HOUSE OF LIES!
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...she might have saved your life by breaking up.
You guys are young and frisky...sure schedules can be hard, but get into your 30s...have a kid or two. There's a decent chance you were staring at 50 years of wedded celibacy.
I've never been out in the cold that long, and that includes pregnancy and having a newborn. -
Is not base your life on her. LW did give good advice about how women have to respect you, and the only way they are going to respect you is if you respect yourself.
I'm not saying bang 10 co-eds (wouldn't hurt though) but you've got to work on yourself and worry about yourself first. Obsessing over her just makes her have all the power, and that isn't good for her or you. -
I couldn't resist.
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[Scary whips out her voluminous breasts and drwns his punk ass in golden breastmilk...]
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...posted was truth, a shitty thing to say, or both.
Or neither.
Go out and have fun, D! -
Cobra would just be jealous as shit of me?
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D. Vader can read them all and see what applies to his situation better than we can. We are all operating in the dark in a way. All we can do is offer what we have learned in similar situations and let him use his instincts to see what is the most appropriate to his situation.
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Bubbly and Tennant... woo-hoo!
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*pout*
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Jul 06, 2010 10:05:33 PM CDT
We tend to over look mis-spelling here, Scary...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
As a matter of recourse…which often causes us to overlook irony…
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This was Mothra's cousin, I think- huge sucker. I got the bastard, and all of my wool clothes are rejoicing. (cups hand to ear) Aw yeah, they're cheering!
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Jul 06, 2010 10:06:50 PM CDT
...very true, Conti. I guess my point was that it shouldn't...
by flickapoo
...be like that when you're in your 20s, childless, and look like Eric Bana...because it probably won't get any easier later.
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It's a sexual harassment land mine.
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Unfortunately, your standards have to drop a lot with whom and what you will put up with.
I mean some people can't handle a little junk tied away when they are younger, but when you get older... -
God, I would kill to be in your shoes, D-man,.....
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Completely misread Flick's last post.
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Jul 06, 2010 10:16:30 PM CDT
...ha! Conti! I'd say it can get better when you're older...
by flickapoo
...and easier in some ways too, but it had to be good in the first place. And schedules only get more complicated...And it takes a lot more caffeine to get the job done.
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If Liberal can tone down his caveman act - the reason I said it was because if you all read back there, there's not one thing he brought up that others including say, Cheeses didn't already say - without all the theatrics and grandstanding. All I can gather from Liberal's fronting is that he probably calls women bitches to jack himself up and as a result has no decent relationships and certainly no wife or family, hence the kneejerk neanderthal schtick. Of course I could be wrong about that and he may treat his wife & kids exactly that way, or that he's a gutless wonder just posting hardarse words on the 'net. And if you're actually stupid enough to spend a couple of grand to hop on a plane and take me on, then uh, wow. And armadillos? WTF? But I must hand it to you. If you wanted to convince me of your intellect and why we should listen to you, racist vader is the cleverest putdown I've ever heard. Uninformed putdowns are so effective.
But the whole point is this is one of the few TBs where we're man (and woman, Scary) enough to not need that bullshit posturing.
If you can leave it at the door LW and admit that all you added to what was already being said was a bunch of namecalling, I'm fine with that. And the fact that YOU missed my irony is hilarious considering your dissing 'Lop. If you can play by our rules, you're welcome here. -
A lot, lot more.
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And I should apologize for offering you to apologize to him. Wasn't my place to make that offer.
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I mean you are not going to get it up with a serious whiskey-coke dick.
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Everyone have a good night. Maybe I will check in later.
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I hate when that happens...
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Did I hurt your pussy, boo? I figured you would wait until you thought I was gone for good to respond - your kind always does. And then with some self serving bullshite. You started with me cum bucket, so wipe that dead zebra shit eating grin off your lips. Time to dance klan man.
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What the white is all about. In my name, as well as 80s-style yuppie gettin' it up.
Clapton woulda said/sung it lower key though. If you wanna get down, down on the ground... -
Some of "my kind" have jobs. You still don't get the irony. That's ironic.
A bit disappointed you're still playing caveman. Why on earth would I think you'd have left instead of lurking like herpes? Oh well. I can't be arsed with you, little man. Like I say, man up & leave the bullshit behind, and we'll have no problems. Otherwise, I'm done with you. -
Fuk that, ghost face. You want to see real caveman, I aint even begun to whup you up side the head with my club yet. Don't go slinking off with that ' i got a job' shit. That bathroom floor will still be there for you to clean in the morning.
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You wanted to be the big man,and jump me when I was not looking. Now stand up fukker.
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I love that show…Mel Gibson is one of the judges…
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Bring it. I'm sure the 'day labor' office will understand if you're late.
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In a 14 year old retarded sort of way…
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We were saying?
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A two-fer! Lets rock and roll.
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That asbortion should be legal up to age 14...If they can’t conduct themselves on a chat-room by that point…
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You done stepped in it now, littleboy
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You know my mom?
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Jul 06, 2010 10:56:08 PM CDT
Cheese and klan man spawn of crack addicts toilet seat
by liberal_warrior
You wanna rock and roll with the warrior, you better bring something better than that weak ass shit.
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Your anal tears aren’t going to go away without surgery…and a change in lifestyle…
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I normally only kill trolls, but I reserve the right to smack any bitch I damn well please any time I damn well please. I'm Neandertal (spell it correctly) that way.
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Jul 06, 2010 11:07:13 PM CDT
Cheese, a Mr. BT Goat called, he misses your sweet lovin
by liberal_warrior
He left a message 'bahh'
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She wants to know if ExTends REALLY works to increase penis size …and she ordered you a free sample…
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We’re cool with that…
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Jul 06, 2010 11:10:27 PM CDT
Cheese, BT Goat says that rash will clear up in a week or two
by liberal_warrior
Just keep dipping your ya-yas' in turpentine
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I thought he died out ages ago.
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You can draw my face on it and jerk off to your heart’s desire in it…I won’t even file a paternity claim…
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Jul 06, 2010 11:23:57 PM CDT
Cheese, Ill bet you whack off over the quivering shit of StLost
by liberal_warrior
And other puppets. You need to keep track of your socks.
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Jul 06, 2010 11:25:47 PM CDT
Probably have some voodoo circle jerk off up in here
by liberal_warrior
I hear thats how they age Cheese in the old country too.
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I’d send you Rorschach grade poop stains to snort JUST to justify your pathetic fart sniffing existence…
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Jul 06, 2010 11:27:49 PM CDT
Instead of milking cows to get cheese, y'all pull pud
by liberal_warrior
And the resultant slimy seminal slurry is turned into Cheeses of Nazareth
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Jul 06, 2010 11:30:38 PM CDT
'Cheese running low Ma, ok son pull ur dick out and whack'
by liberal_warrior
How Cheeses was Created from a Virginal source
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...but all you guys just made me fucking cry laughing...
Libby, you've got some brains rattling around in that anal cyst you call a skull...you should put them to better use. -
Jul 06, 2010 11:31:23 PM CDT
I slap dick socks on the faces of losers like you....
by cheeses_of_nazareth
Every chance I get…which isn’t often….
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You were not much fun to play with though. You need to work on the witty repartee -or just get some wit. You were punching out of your weight class, or I was slumming.
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Libby is funny...
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You know you just met your match...
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You are another blowhard sock puppet. I have seen your motarded shit in a few other TB's. I will slap the dribbling dog shit out of you at another time - count on it.
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You really think anything you said was in my class? Ok, now lets get serious. Play time is over. You motarded piece of twice fukked anal raped zebra shit. Lets rock
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Lets rock.
I hope you are more imaginative than the spawn of your cud creating circle jerk - cheeses. -
Jul 06, 2010 11:43:06 PM CDT
"...motarded piece of twice fukked anal raped zebra shit."
by cheeses_of_nazareth
HHHAAAA!!! What does that even mean???
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Prolly no more than 4 or 5 real people up in this joint. The rest are pigments of some cellar dwelling, talking to hisslef imagination.
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...grab bag. I bet "pus", "rancid", "camel", "zebra", and "shit" are in heavy rotation in the Libby household.
I preferred the alliteration of "slimy seminal slurry". Far more creative. -
even if the head of your penis never, EVER peeks above your thumb when you masturbate…
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Have you or especially cheese, created even one whimsy tonight? Even one insult ? Uh, no. Both of you or one of you plus socks, are wasting my time. I am waiting for something, anything from 'either' of you that is even remotely funny of insulting.
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Can't create shit. No more wasting my time, flyweight.
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We have a floater…
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...the light...so that's where I'm headed.
Libby, turn from the dark (and let's face it...sticky and encrusted with your own solitary semen) side and use your powers for good. -
That ass bleeding isn’t gonna stop without a full personality upgrade…
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...Libby here has potential. We're just trying to settle him down a little.
I'm not sure it's working. -
Jul 07, 2010 12:00:48 AM CDT
Ohhhh...Libby crawls away nursing his bleeding asshole...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
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...wouldn't it?
Feisty. -
...to the genius of "funky ass goatmilk concentrate plus pulp".
If you were ever to use your powers for evil... help us all. -
i blame the vodka for that. I grossed myself out when i read that the next day.
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...near a little goat farm.
Turns out that great pungent/savory goat cheese flavor is EXACTLY the way goat-shit and sweat encrusted hooves smell.
I got over it, and I still love goat cheese...but it was touch and go there for a while. -
wow talk about a gross phrase...haha
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was fun...But the ass crack of dawn is calling me…
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to check your sub-space messages...
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Have good ones tomorrow
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i'm not wiping until subs and ted return.
and all i'm going to eat is my own boog's.
Please come back. -
"But now i'm getting outta here I sense this place is about to blow!"
*pushes women and children aside and dives for the raft*
See. The dojo knows. The dojo knows... -
Conti, thanks for fighting a few rounds on my behalf in the INCEPTION thread tho. I appreciate the gesture!
Shame the flaming happened over here with that other guy tho... altho it did give Cheeses a chance to flex his fingers. Mucho amusing. -
Subs, I know you're looking down and shaking your head.
When you left this place was a genteel tea room. Now it's a Wild West Saloon. With bodies being flung through windows and a guy who gets repeatedly punched and with every punch staggers back closer to the swinging doors before one big punch sends him sprawling to the street. Plus the bar tender (who for some reason I assume to be Cheeses) takes a swig of whisky and then smashes the bottle over some schmucks head. While the piano player (water_shit) strikes up a fittingly madcap tune.
Yep. That's how it went down. We need our occasionally cranky but much-loved Sheriff back in town. -
Furthermore Mac's Doc Holliday, Flicka's Billy The Kid and White_V is Quigley Down Under.
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QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER... now that's an underrated classic.
They shoulda franchised that one....
QUIGLEY IN VENICE...
QUIGLEY IN GUATEMALA...
QUIGLEY IN EAST TIMOR.
I'd have bought the box set. -
cobes, did you bring a saucer for your milk?
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I prefer my milk direct from the source!
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great score and rickman chewing scenes.
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you wanna BAMF!?
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Sweet. Does that make you Wyatt Cobes? Morning Sixies. Wish I had been here for the dust up.
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...all time favorite movie. If not, it's close.
Tom Selleck, Alan Rickman...and Laura San Giacomo's saucy New Jersey crazy attitudinal bosoms. -
fucking love that movie. That is where I got the, "Don't take any guff from these swine." sign off...as you probably already know Sixies, since you are the quote champ.
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BAMF - 45649 !
Make it so. -
but hate San Giacomo. Those eyebrows ruin everything. What up Flick?I'll have to check in later. See above quote.
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wedge out!!
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Jul 07, 2010 8:14:23 AM CDT
...I was a teenager in the 80s...I love me some eyebrows...
by flickapoo
...just take all the hair from the rest of the body...everything below the hair line, and just stick it up there right above the eyeballs...
That's what I say.
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