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Monday 18-49 finals (prior Mondays in parentheses; repeats in gray): 2.7 (2.6) (2.6) (2.5) (2.8) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) Bachelorette 2.5 (2.6) (2.7) (2.9) (5.3) (5.5) (5.3) (4.6) (3.6) (4.1) (5.1) (2.2) (3.5) (5.2) (3.9) Big Bang Theory 2.3 (2.4) (2.6) (2.6) (5.0) (4.4) (4.6) (----) (3.1) (3.8) (4.7) (----) (3.8) (5.1) (3.9) 2½ Men 2.0 (2.2) (2.1) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Pawn Stars 1.9 (1.9) (1.6) (1.7) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.8) (1.9) (1.5) (1.9) (1.8) (2.3) (1.9) (2.0) WWE Raw (10pm) 1.9 (1.9) (1.8) (2.0) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) True Beauty 1.8 (2.0) (1.8) (0.9) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) Lie To Me 1.8 (2.2) (2.0) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Last Comic Standing 1.8 (1.7) (1.5) (1.6) (1.6) (1.7) (1.7) (1.5) (1.9) (1.4) (1.6) (1.6) (2.0) (1.6) (2.1) WWE Raw (9pm) 1.8 (1.8) (1.6) (1.7) (3.2) (2.9) (3.2) (2.8) (2.5) (3.0) (2.8) (2.6) (3.0) (3.3) (2.7) Rules of Engagement 1.8 (1.6) (1.9) (1.8) (3.3) (2.9) (3.2) (2.7) (1.8) (3.2) (3.0) (----) (2.2) (3.2) (2.3) CSI: Miami 1.6 (1.7) (1.6) (1.6) (3.5) (3.1) (3.4) (3.1) (1.6) (3.2) (2.8) (----) (2.2) (3.5) (2.0) How/Mother 1.6 (1.5) (1.3) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (1.0) (----) (----) (1.4) (1.5) (0.8) (1.8) American Pickers 1.6 (1.4) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Real Housewives NJ 1.2 (1.3) (1.4) (0.9) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) The Good Guys 1.2 (1.3) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Last Comic Standing 1.2 (1.1) (1.3) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Secret/Teenager 1.0 (1.2) (1.4) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Persons Unknown 0.8 (----) (0.9) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Neighbors From Hell 0.8 (0.7) (0.7) (----) (----) (0.6) (----) (0.6) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (----) (----) (0.9) (1.0) Operation Repo 0.7 (----) (0.5) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) All Worked Up 0.6 (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (----) (----) Saving Grace 0.4 (0.3) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) 90210 0.3 (0.5) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) RJ Berger 0.3 (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Dance Your Ass Off 0.3 (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (1.1) (1.0) (0.9) (1.1) (0.4) (1.0) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) (1.0) Gossip Girl 0.2 (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Total Drama 0.2 (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (----) (----) (----) Adventure Time 0.2 (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Flapjack 0.2 (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Warren The Ape

* ABC’s “Bachelorette” and “True Beauty” dominate their timeslots and all of Monday primetime. * Even in repeats, CBS' “Big Bang Theory” and “2½ Men” are getting the kind of ratings most other sitcoms can't get with new episodes. * The History Channel's “Pawn Stars,” a reality show about three generations running a Las Vegas pawnshop, is Monday’s fourth-biggest series and the biggest on Monday cable. * “Last Comic Standing” was down last week, but generally has been doing better on Mondays than “Chuck” and “Trauma” were a couple months ago. Sadly, they’re not repeating last Monday’s episode, which featured some truly inspired anti-anti-semite patter from judge Andy Kindler. Tonight brings instead two new hours. * “The Good Guys,” the first broadcast series created by “Burn Notice” mastermind Matt Nix, is not getting “Burn Notice”-size ratings, tying repeats of “Last Comic Standing” two weeks running. Fox has is slated for the Friday Death Slot this fall. I suspect it may not fare well there. Why aren’t the “Notice” fans watching? * MTV’s shift from unscripted to scripted does not seem to be working out that well, with its horrible new sitcoms “The Hard Times of R.J. Burger” and “Warren The Ape” garnering far lower ratings than “The Hills,” “The City,” “The Challenge,” “16 and Pregnant” and “Jersey Shore.”
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  • June 28, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Pawn Stars?!!

    by RPLocke

    That show is like watching dumb people use Ebay.

  • June 28, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Harry doesn't report Box Office numbers

    by Tall_Boy66

    Taken from his post from that Spidey/Hobbit talkback: "No. I really don't like Box Office news. To me, it is statistical crap that has ruined the business much as discussions about Baseball, Football, Basketball player salaries have damaged sports. I mean. Can you imagine if we had weekly numbers for which Gas Company was on top - and we tracked it weekly? The concept that we use those numbers for some odd sense of validation for the quality of our art is kind of sickening to me. And I don't want that to be what AICN is about. We discuss the love of film with a slight nose for the financial realities - but to me, I try to avoid soulless conversations about money." ...and so the difference between that and posting ratings is...? Anyone?

  • June 28, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Difference is...

    by lsleelee

    Once a film is out, it's out, who cares. Shows can get canceled. I see these posts as "Warning, don't get too attached to x" posts.

  • June 28, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Harry didn't post these ratings.

    by Hercules

    I did. <p>Also, these are ratings, not box office. <p>Also, they tell you which shows could get renewed and which could get cancelled. <p>Also, TV ratings have nothing to do with how much money a movie made.

  • June 28, 2010, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Let's just restate what Mr Knowles said, though

    by Tall_Boy66

    "The concept that we use those numbers for some odd sense of validation for the quality of our art is kind of sickening to me." <--- contrast this statement with Herc posting long treatises on "WHY 18 to 45?!!! PART 3?!!" Or multi-page condemnations of, say, Jay Leno's numbers with Conan O'Brien's numbers and apparently gloating if, say, a certain show dips and decrying doom as if a soothsayer of yore. Think about all that, and then read Harry's statement again: "The concept that we use those numbers for some odd sense of validation for the quality of our art is kind of sickening to me." <P> Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

  • June 28, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Compare that statement with various ratings posts...

    by Tall_Boy66

    Such as Herc's long treatises on "WHY 18-49 MATTERS! PART 6!!" Or him posting multiple graph-related diagrams on how Jay Leno is doing worse than Conan O'Brien, or how the numbers spin that Conan didn't have a chance at such and such with Jay Leno at such and such. Y'all know the drill. Or Herc posting something as if from a soothsayer of yore about "This bladittyblah has been haemorrhaging viewers from such and such", praising when one show goes up, laughing when one show goes down. Etc. etc. Think about all that, then go back to this statement by the creator of this site, which is very simply: "The concept that we use those numbers for some odd sense of validation for the quality of our art is kind of sickening to me." <P> That pretty much sums it up.

  • June 28, 2010, 3:31 a.m. CST

    But, ratings posts are way different, amirite?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Silly me. Apples and oranges as so forth. <P> Completely different game. <P> Right. I buy that.

  • June 28, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    The Good Guys is entertaining, has shit marketing

    by JT Kirk

    It doesn't have the sparkle of Burn Notice, but I think it's clever and fun and a good look back. And it's something we don't have on TV right now, '70s style cop shows. I watched the pilot, and then said "that was pretty entertaining, I'll watch in the fall when they air it" and ONLY BECAUSE OF A RANDOM FUCKING RERUN AT THE END OF THE NEXT WEEK did I find out that they were airing it weekly during the summer starting with the pilot episode. Their marketing for the show was so piss poor that DURING THE AIRING OF THE PILOT it wasn't clear they would have another episode on a week later!!! That is way too often Fox's biggest fucking mistake, they don't have a marketing department worth a shit, they throw a series out the door and then only once it finds an audience do they pour money into marketing. "'Build an audience'? What the fuck is that???" No ads on Burn Notice, and I didn't even see the web ads until the THIRD FUCKING WEEK of The Good Guys airing. How is that possible? And they never show shit, just Bradley Whitford's mustachioed character standing next to Tom Hanks' son (sorry dude, I cannot remember your name, it's late). And I think the worst part is that I feel like I can't even give constructive criticism on the show because it'll only be taken as "this sucks, axe it" by the cheap suits at Fox. But the reality is that it's a fun show but could be a little tighter and I hope they find their legs before Fox chops them off so I can see it grow. I'd also like to see a few flashbacks shot like a '70s cop show. And since I'm on a rant, look at the falloff from Lie to Me (The Good Guys' lead-in) and compare it to the score difference to the CBS sitcoms before Chuck Lorre's duo (Big Bang Half Men) plus the falloff from them to CSI: Miami and yet all that shit has a guaranteed renewal, where on Fox it'd be chum in the fucking water. <p>That's the sort of shit that annoys the fuck out of me about the ratings, and why it's something that geek sites NEED to cover in order to keep their goddamned shows afloat. Geeks can't put their heads in the sand and assume someone else will defend shit they like for them, that's why Sci-Fi Channel is now "Syfy" and airs virtually nothing science-fiction. And yet, you look at the CW and that fucker won't die, they have ratings they can count on 1 hand and somehow they're satisfied. Why? Because they know Rome wasn't built in a day, and if they can't get all the audience, they can at least fill the needs of smaller niche audiences. Yet Fox can't understand that. Look at Brisco County Jr, look at Firefly, The Tick, Lone Gunmen, Space: Above & Beyond, Alien Nation, Garry Shandling Show, Dark Angel, Wonderfalls, Profit, The Ben Stiller Show, Parker Lewis, Get a Life, Sarah Connor Chronicles... it's a fucking miracle we got 3 seasons out of the brilliant Arrested Development and 4.5 out of Futurama. Without knowing what's going on in the ratings, our dicks are getting knocked in the dirt and we're not even using the voice power we have to fight back.

  • June 28, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Why would "Burn Notice" fans know about the creator?

    by Chewtoy

    That's fairly deep "inside television" stuff to know, and the vast majority of audiences wouldn't have a clue, unless Fox has been advertising it as coming from the creator of a rival's show, giving that show some network advertising in the process.

  • June 28, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Anybody else feeling meh about new Burn Notice?

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Not really a fan of the new guy.

  • June 28, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Pretty much all the ads for The Good Guys state obviously "from the creator of Burn Notice!", it's their main selling point. <P> I will say it's much better then a quote from Stanley Kubrick about the book The Killer Inside Me used for that movie trailer.

  • June 28, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    JT Kirk

    by Series7

    I may be wrong about this, but Burn Notice is on USA which is NBC's network. So I don't know why they would air FOX ads on their. I know I've seen ads for different networks on other channels but it is still rare.

  • June 28, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    The thing i don't get about big bang theory's ratings

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I don't know of a single person who watches the show and i've heard that complaint from other people. so that begs the question, who are the people who are watching this show, it can't be the geek culture thats it's aimed at. Is it one of thoser shows that you can only find funny if your old and have a hard on for CBS laugh track laden pop sitcoms?

  • June 28, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    But Fox

    by Series7

    Has been promoting the shit out of it on FX, even airing repeats of the show. Like what NBC does sometimes with Bravo.

  • June 28, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Yeah I know what you mean. I tried to watch the show once and I was just like, jesus this is fucking annoying. I couldn't get past how annoying everyone was on the show to even try to focus on the jokes, terrible show. But I go into my local comic shop and they are promoting some new comic from the creators of "Big Bang Theory" and it states something like "if you don't buy this then you don't like comedy!" <P> Well I may have bought it if it didn't say "From the Creators of Big Bang Theory". I think a lot of geeks watch that show because they think the chick is hot. I don't know who she is really, she was on Letterman once as the main guest and I was like????? Who the fuck is this generic looking blonde? Turns out she's almost as annoying off the show.

  • June 28, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Ya know, I read an article somewhere...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...talking about how the concessions the writers made to end the writer's strike a few years back (agreeing that "producers" of reality shows aren't considered "writers") have ironically put writers in an even deeper hole and have pretty much destroyed the medium of TV completely. We're all basically doomed now to permanent wall-to-wall reality shows, 24-7. That's why now, when you turn on The History Channel, you see some mook sawing shit in half or a bunch of pigf*cker's arguing over junked soda machines. Bang up job there, WGA... way to go, fags!

  • June 28, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Good guys is a good show

    by shutupfanboy

    I like that it is a tongue check of all the cop shows of the modern era. This has become my favorite summer show. As for Bing Bang, I know a ton of people who watch the show and while I am a nerd, my hunting voting republican sports fan brother in law is not and he watches the show. I think he is a closet nerd since he has no objections to me buying his son a ton of comic book coloring books as well as Muppet and Looney Tune DVDs. I also buy him whatever comic book movie that comes out on DVD for Christmas. So, yeah he is a closet nerd, but I expect most of America is at this point anyway. Its not like only comic book nerds went to see Dark Knight, Spiderman and Iron Man.

  • June 28, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Agreed Series7

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Big bang theory is really not funny, it's sad that it's supposed to appeal to geeks because they make a star wars joke or two. In my mind the best geek/fanboy show out there is 30 rock. theres always references to things the average audience wouldn't get and theres no laugh track to bang us over the head about the joke. Community is also a great exapmple of how to do geek comedy and still remain funny<P>I also love how guys willw atch a show because "_____" is so hot! those people need to go rent a porno, why sit through shit just because one actress is hot with no other redeeming values?

  • June 28, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Yeah I know what you mean, I mean when was the last time you talked to another guy about The Office or 30 Rock without hearing someone say, oh but Pam/Tina is SO HOT. It's odd that dudes over the age of 13 still do that.

  • June 28, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    "What are we watching on Mondays this summer?"

    by jim

    Don't know about everyone else, but I'm watching Persons Unknown and The Good Guys.<p>I too was surprised to see more episodes of The Good Guys. I thought Fox was doing with it what it did with Glee last year - air the pilot in the Spring and start the show in the Fall. I'm enjoying it. Fun show that doesn't take itself seriously.<p>Persons Unknown has also been quite enjoyable. I don't take it too seriously so I can have fun watching despite some less-than-believable actions by the characters.

  • June 28, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Pawn Stars = working man's Antiques Roadshow

    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • June 28, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66, it may not be the intent behind these articles

    by jim

    but it gives us a blanket TB that covers several shows. Instead of hijacking another thread, or trying to find someone to converse with in the (dead) Zone, Hercules has created a forum to discuss any of the shows listed above. Last few weeks I've seen a few people wondering why there isn't a TB for Persons Unknown. Now, this week, there is (as well as a bunch of other shows).

  • June 28, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The Good Guys is OK

    by Series7

    The dude that isn't Hanks son (Billy Madison villian) his character is too all over the place. Once they nail his character down a little better it will be more fun. For now he part loser/fuck up and part Bruce Campbell from Burn Notice, in that he is too good sometimes. They are trying for a John McLane style (Die Hard 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance era) and it is not working. Baby Hanks does a good job as the straight man though. I like how they play whole songs, but Tim Matheson's (yes that Tim) direction is a little lacking. That action chase in the first epsiode was cool because it used the entire AC/DC thunder, but it didn't hit the right notes like it should. I am torn with continuing to watch it really.

  • June 28, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Pawn Stars is good.

    by Shermdawg

    American Pickers though, is great. And a total fucking cocktease, the previews for last week's show was hinting at Danielle going out on a pick, but that didn't amount to squat in the actual episode. So disappointing.

  • June 28, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Good on ya, Tall_Boy. Keep fighting the good fight.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 28, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Tall_Boy

    by supertoyslast

    And Harry, come to that. Coaxial does seem to be far more about which shows are rating well or badly than which shows are actually worth watching. Does it matter that ratings indicate which series may or may not get renewed? That shouldn't affect which shows we actually watch while they're still on air. You could argue that box office results indicate which movies might get sequels, but they're still not reported here.

  • June 28, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Pawn Stars

    by RPLocke

    Watch clueless people try to sell items for lower then they're actually worth.

  • June 28, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone have it in for Big Bang?

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    Maybe its a UK thing, but I think its one of the funnier ones of the current US import crop.<p><p>Now 'How I met your mother' ...... now that is shit.

  • June 28, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I love Big Bang. Great show

    by RPLocke

    It's obvious the writers love sci fi things, and don't make fun of it. It's funnier than Family Guy.

  • June 28, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Pawn Stars

    by dudemandude

    Show cracks me up. I've been to Gold & Silver Pawn in Vegas, place has some nice things for sale. I almost bought a Patek Philipe but dude wouldn't budge on price. Seemed like a tourist trap of sorts, lotta people there, cameras an shit, fat negros workin security. Not really my type of place.

  • June 28, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Hey, I'm a Burn Notice fan and that's part of why I watch it

    by axcel1

    To me, "The Good Guys" is the exact opposite of "Burn Notice". (And, I don't mind that "The Good Guys" is bad and "Burn Notice" is good.) I think both are great.

  • June 28, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Burn Notice

    by NeedsMoreExplosions

    Is awful. The guy who plays the main character makes me nauseous. I would like the show if it wasn't for him I think. The female lead is terrible as well, though easy on the eyes. Thumbs up for keeping Bruce Campbell gainfully employed!

  • June 28, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    No love for Warren the Ape?

    by GenericGeek

    It's really, really good. If you liked Greg the Bunny, this'll be right up your pervy alley. BTW, Greg himself guest-starred in the second ep. Save the show, please!

  • June 28, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by Spursfanjd

    Just cause they are on MTV does not mean they suck... both shows are really funny and deserve to be given a shot... EVERYTHING else on MTV is garbage though WATCH THESE SHOWS

  • June 28, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    BTW - Burn and Good Guys aren't very similar.

    by JuanSanchez

    That's at least one reason the Burn fans aren't watching.

  • June 28, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Hahah that was the dude from the Crazies tonight

    by Series7

    Also you notice how the car chase scene from tonight episode took place on the same road as the chase scene from the first episode? This episode was weak, but two weeks ago was a lot of fun.

  • June 28, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Warren the Ape is pretty funny!

    by Ka Dargo

    Adult humor thru a puppet is usually funny. Who didn't like that line greg the bunny said "I brought rubber sleeves for my dingly bop"....HA!

  • June 29, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    I recorded Persons Unknown and went to watch it today

    by jim

    Selected the newly-recorded episode from my list of recorded shows and let it play. However, what I saw instead was Last Comic Standing. What happened? Was it preempted? Cancelled? On a different night now?