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Dan Calls The DOCTOR WHO Finale ‘A Startling Triumph’!!
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DOCTOR WHO 5.13 – "The Big Bang"
WRITER: Steven Moffat
DIRECTOR: Toby Haynes
GUEST CAST: Alex Kingston, Arthur Darvill, Caitlin Blackwood, Susan Vidley, Frances Ashman, Barnaby Edwards, William Pretsell, Helco Johnson & Karen Westwood
[SPOILERS] A startling triumph, "The Big Bang" completed the fifth series with the relentless excitement and assured grip we've come to expect from Steven Moffat. The episode was undoubtedly loose and illogical plenty of times, but the core time-travel back-flips were sound and I'm impressed by how well Moffat's writing can make you forgive its sillier extremes. "The Big Bang" actually made the widely derided "mistake" of hitting a symbolic reset button to solve the crisis, which was a card fans never liked Russell T. Davies hitting during his era. But it worked perfectly here, because Steven Moffat doesn’t use a narrative ejector seat to get him out of storytelling dead-ends (as his predecessor did), but instead has enormous fun taking you on a journey that solves the seemingly unsolvable...
To explain the episode is a task in itself, but to briefly recap the setup: with The Doctor Matt Smith) imprisoned in the Pandorica by a coalition of his enemies, River Song (Alex Kingston) trapped in the exploding TARDIS, and Amy (Karen Gillan) shot dead by her doppelganger fiancé Rory (Arthur Darvill), "The Big Bang" worked to resolve the situation. This naturally meant an hour of Moffat indulging his fondness for temporal acrobatics, with The Doctor engineering his own escape by getting Young Amy (Caitlin Blackwood) to release him from the Pandorica, before using River's Time Vortex Manipulator to change history so that "dead" Amy could be stored in the Pandorica in his place, with Rory keeping guard for millennia, to be revived by her younger self in the Natural History Museam 2,000 years later...
If you have a headache reading that paragraph, I sympathize. This episode is nigh impossible to recount without risking a brain aneurism, but suffice to say "The Big Bang" did an extraordinarily good job of reversing last week's cliffhanger. In effect, The Doctor had to rescue his friends, free himself, and revive the collapsing universe with second Big Bang using the Pandorica and a head-on collision with the "Sun" (which in the alternate reality he found himself in, is just his TARDIS exploding while caught in a continuous emergency time-loop).
As expected, and correctly guessed by many fans over the weeks, Amy's history had a significant role to play. The "Girl Who Waited" became the only person who could bring the sacrificial Doctor back into existence by simply remembering him, with a little nudge from River Song and her empty journal, during her wedding day. Effectively imagining her "imaginary friend" into existence, whose heroic acts and advice had restored her missing parents -- who had assumedly been bled out of existence when the crack first appeared in her bedroom wall, right?
This was a crazy, emotional, satisfying and beautiful episode. The direction by Toby Haynes was superb, particularly in the Night At The Museum-esque action sequences earlier in the episode. The show has really developed its visual style this year, offering truly cinematic moments at times. There were some fantastic sequences and effects, but the story never actually had to rely on the CGI overload we've come to expect from nu-Who finales. It was instead all about the story and the characters; a confluence that swept you along with a big grin on your face.
Steven Moffat been saying his intention is to turn Doctor Who into more of a fairy tale, and this was by far the best example of that creative choice. So much so that even the stupider things we were asked to swallow (that robot Rory would really wait 2,000 years to be united with Amy, say) felt natural and no less implausible than beanstalks with giants living atop them. It's been a wise move on Moffat's part, because nerdy nitpicks and a sneering attitude to Doctor Who's pseudo-science can be deflected easier now. As long as it has heart and works inside his own internal logic, I'm more than happy to go along for the ride.
It almost goes without saying that Matt Smith ends his freshman year on a rousing high-note. He really was marvellous throughout. Seeing The Doctor take charge and get himself out of his dilemma like a temporal escapologist was gripping from start to finish. It was also very funny in that pleasantly restless style we've come to expect. I especially loved The Doctor's newfound appreciation for Fez hats!
What more is there to say? I could wax lyrical about the finer points of "The Big Bang" until I'm blue in the face. A wonderfully confident episode chockfull of brilliant moments and witty dialogue. There's a real sense of self belief to Moffat's writing -- and you get the sense he's just as aware of the nitpicks as other fans, so even takes time to answer a few of the more pertinent ones. I'm sure plenty of people were wondering how our Sun was still in existence if all the stars had been erased from the universe, for example, but an answer for that was just around the corner. There's always just enough cleverness for you to be relaxed about the silliness.
Also interesting was the realization that a few series 5 mysteries were kept alive for future episodes. The sinister voice proclaiming that "silence will fall", and the mysterious spaceship prints in Young Amy's garden, weren't explained here. For the first time it feels like Doctor Who's going to be telling a truly epic story over a few years, at least. River Song will undoubtedly fit as a major puzzle piece, as I was very intrigued by her inference to The Doctor that the next time they meet their relationship's going to change.. for the worse. The honeymoon period between River and The Doctor is apparently over... but my love for Who just hit a glorious fifth year anniversary.
The Good
Matt Smith and Karen Gillan. Both did their best work here; particularly Smith, who is now 100% The Doctor to my mind. His voice is especially perfect and alien.
River Song facing down a Stone Dalek and making it squeal for mercy.
"I wear fez's now. Fez's are cool."
Amy and Rory. Considering the fact their relationship didn't really work earlier in the series, these last few episodes totally reversed that. They now totally work. And if this husband and wife will be regular companions in the TARDIS next year, I guess we technically have our first alien companion of nu-Who because Rory's a robot.
The mechanics of the time-travel was very well done, and I especially liked the fact that scene from "Flesh & Stone" was tied into the finale's events – as fans correctly guessed.
Wonderful direction from Toby Haynes, who gave the episode a real feeling of majesty.
Loved the effects through, but it was the little touches that impressed me – like that "snap" of electricity after the teleporting Doctor leaves Rory in the field.
The Bad
Umm, I'm struggling. Anyone? I suppose you could argue that Young Amy and River didn't really get much to do, beyond be there so certain events could happen.
The Geeky
Augustus Pond must surely be a nod to Augustus Gloop from Charlie & The Chocolate Factory, right?
This is the first nu-Who finale that doesn't end with the departure of a companion or the regeneration of The Doctor.
Rating: 5 / 5
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Wow just wow
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Didn't make sense. Future Doctor gives Rory means to help present Doctor escape? Present Doctor has to escape in order for future Doctor to exist so that's a paradox in itself.
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Don't think Rory is a robot, with reboot everything was put back as it were before.
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Jun 26, 2010 2:30:43 PM CDT
I'm so pumped I'm not reading this review
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
until later. Should be seeing this in a few hours.
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But the headline of the article brightened my day a lot. Can't wait to watch it and read the review(s).
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Not seen it yet, waiting for my wife to get home before I do but this season has been superb from top to bottom, every fishy-custard crumb of it. Matt's made the Doctor totally his own (David Who?) and Amy Pond - if written correctly - could become his greatest companion.
FX are amazing, music is just stunning, the direction is tight, the huour works 95% of the time and Matt has merged the madness of Troughton (the 2nd Doctor) with the eagerness of Tennant (the 10th Doctor) to give us - potentially - the best Doctor (still currently a 3 way split between Pertwee (3rd Doc), Baker (4th Doc) and Tennant.
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That is how you press the fucking reset button!! Yours sincerely, Sthphen (THE MOFF) Moffet
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I did send my review to Herc very promptly, but hey ho. Here's the link folks: http://reviewthewho.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/5-13-the-big-bang/
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It looks like they borrowed some of Bill & Ted's logic. Which I guess is fine since 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure' borrowed the concept of a Time Travel machine in the shape of a phone box! LOL! So the debt is repayed and the universe is saved! Most Excellent! Party on Dudes! ;)
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Now to start from Eleventh Hour on iPlayer via Nintendo Wii. I fuckin love Modern Technology!!! :)
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Rory isn't a robot. I don't even know why you'd think that unless you missed the last third of the episode.
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The chat room is nearly empty... please come and have some fun.
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I liked the fez. Bring back the fez!
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Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey. It was brilliant. End of.
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And you ain't no girlz, Rick.Get your hot sister in the chatroom and I'll be there.
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I pissed over the finale of Lost as well!! I AM THE MOFF. Your's sincerely Sthephen (THE MOFF) Moffet
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And my non-disappointment at the still unanswered questions is a testament to the quality of the episode. An alternate universe with only the earth and the moon orbiting an exploding tardis since the beginning of time... freaking cool. (But how did River know what to do with the empty journal?)
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who was the black woman in the jumper talking to amy's mum before the dr came.
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I was expecting everything to be explained and for it to all be neatly tied up. Then I realised I was expecting Moffat to be a hack like RTD and crap out some melodramatic finale that hits the reset button and has a disappointing explanation for the season long mystery.
Instead, Moffat is clearly building something multi-season. I'm hoping it will live up to the build up but so far Moffat is doing well. Out of 13 episodes, I loved them all except The Lodger, which was a pile of shit that felt like a leftover from the RTD era.
This season has to rank as having some of the best lines from or about the Doctor in the history of the show. Right from the off we had stuff like "I'm the Doctor, I'm worse than everybody's aunt" and "I am definitely a mad man with a box". This week we had "I wear a fez now. Fezzes are cool". The dialogue is just fantastic every week. -
River Song made a Dalek beg for mercy, clearly she's too bad-ass to forget things.
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Ha! Yes, you're right, totally forgot that fact in the write-up. Apologies.
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The Lodger will be a key episode for the arc next year. It's the joys of Moffat, he sets up things (like River Song) that he can pay off later.
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...where the wall was which stopped River escaping, if the TARDIS was in the sky. Or how The Doctor originally got his screwdriver to Rory who needed the screwdriver to first get The Doctor out of the Pandorica, or...Hell, I enjoyed it. There were gaps in the plot big enough to drive a Dalek fleet through but Moff just about pulled it off.Probably the weakest season of Nu-DW so far for me, but it was still higher in quality than most of the other television I watch. Bring on the X-mas special!
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Rory's not an alien - everything was reset so he's human again.
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The Tardis blocked River from getting out. There's probably a defense mechanism thingy to stop people falling out the sky in the Tardis. Or, perhaps whoever was controlling the Tardis wanted River dead.
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Here's the thing. Great episode incredible well written. I'll even give you all the stars exploding thing.
HOWEVER, we happen to have one of those stars... it's kinda close by, exactly 1 AU away, or 8.21 minutes. So when it exploded back in 102AD, the Earth ended, exactly 8.21 minutes later.That's a huge, drive your Mack truck through plot hole. And don't give me any of this rubbish that the TARDIS held the explosion back or bullshit like that. It's a mistake, a huge one.And if lets say somehow SOL just exploded and didn't destroy the earth then what would prevent everything from freezing to death in short order? With no Sun everything is dead in a few months. So maybe, just maybe you get everyone dying out in two years. But no way the Earth lives on without a sun.And don't try and sell me it was the TARDIS exploding slowly in the sky, because the TARDIS was exploding exponentially, which means it would have taken years for the explosion to get big enough to be like the Sun, maybe decades. So again they would all be dead of starvation.Other than that it perfect! I was wrong about the going back in time, but it could still be the black guardian controlling the TARDIS. We'll find out about this time next year. -
was made possible because the universe was shrinking, and the laws of time were more easily breakable.
Great Finale. Much better then the 2nd and 3rd. And the Silence is being set up rather nicely as a uber multi season villain.
As for River Song. I get the feeling she will be the main enemy of the next season. She's been playing nice so far ;) The Rani perhaps? -
This episode was good, and so much better than the last, but fuck it was filled with so many plot holes that it's unforgivable. And the introduction of the alliance (something I hated), only to have it taken away five seconds later? Lazy writting. It just so happens the only planet to surive, when the rest of the universe died in a few seconds, was earth. And it survived for but a few thousand years. Whilst the rest of the universe died in a few seconds.....yeah.
And the other plot holes. This episode was good, but the plot holes really annoyed me. Though Steven can write a good ending to a finale, unlike Russel. I didn't expect the direction, and I'm glad it wasn't as cheap as I expected. -
Fantastic,ingenious,emotional but more importantly way above and beyond anything Russel T's pulled out of ass! All praise Steven Moffatt!!
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But Karen Gillan is fucking hot.
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What sort of person would the Daleks fear, SO much so, that they want mercy. The Daleks only really fear one other thing, and that's the Dr.
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When I saw the Doctor giving the screwdriver to Robo-Rory I instantly thought of Bill & Ted, and then later it was 100% Bill & Ted. So Moffatt lifted the whole idea of remembering to put a trash can above the door so it can fall on the bad guy thing, right from good old Bill & Ted, hell they used to travel around in a phone booth!
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The Alliance were finished with early because they were completely, utterly, wrong. But they weren't evil. Just misguided as to how to deal with the problem. Having them fight The Doctor would've been trite and pointless, as they were hoping to do the right thing. Hence the evil bastards forming a group to begin with.
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it was empty because none of that happened until Amy wished the Doctor back from the corn field. Then it was full again. When the Doctor is holding it later he says he didn't look in it. Because he knew it had spoilers.
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It just ceased to exist, pay attention,
Also the tardis exploded across all time not in a linear growth way so it was always powerful enough to warm the earth -
It just ceased to exist, pay attention,
Also the tardis exploded across all time not in a linear growth way so it was always powerful enough to warm the earth -
I like the way that some of the most evil, intelligent villains that the Doctor ever faced decided that they needed to save the universe, and Fucked it up on a Royal scale.
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But you can go forward in time. And sadly, only something like a photo can time travel, people can't unless they want to turn into plasma.
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years after the rest of the universe happened to cease to exist? Even if the Tardis powered the end of the sun, and the cracks will not be explained till next seasons (like rumours persist), this is a massive plothole. Why didn't the earth just go with the rest of the universe? Otherwise, a pretty Ok episode.
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I think the only thing that makes this hard to rate as truly brilliant is the slightly confusing mesh of science fiction and fairy tale.We get concepts bandied about like "will never have existed" which you can understand in sci-fi terms but which in fairy tale terms seem to be a little bit more wavery.Having said that the only real WTF -- you've got to be kidding me piece ----was the use of a predestination paradox to allow the Doctor to get himself out of the box. Timey Wimey indeed.In every other respect you could devise a reasonable explanation for what was going on from the rules and parameters laid down and that was a huge relief in something so complex.On the great stuff...The Doctor in the first few minutes whizzing backwards and forwards to do the things he needed to to get everything in 2010 where it should be...magical.Bad Ass Robo-Rory and his Dalek encounter. A Dalek suddenly finding in River Song something to be terrified of.The Doctors sacrifice to recreate the universe and his farewell to Amy----I am not on the fence on this anymore---Matt Smith is the best. Full stop.I was caught cold by one thing here. I was somewhat disappointed that the Doctor wasn't controlling his trip back through earlier parts of Season 5 and that he didn't really have a plan. That sort of blinded me to the brilliant bit of last minute cleverness with the famous wedding phrase. The sly old dog.I am also grateful that we didn't just get an OTT "millions of everything" CGI fest at the end but a more homely story.Really smart end to the season and it was a joy to see the 3 Amigos waltzing off in the Tardis at the end.Oh and a special mention to the Doctor Dancing
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they say they did. They say it more than once, you see them exploding... It's a huge plot hole. It's 4th grade stupidity that says... the sun isn't a star. Which is AMAZING to me considering the confidential had just talked about the fact that our nearest star to us is our SUN!The TARDIS explanation is BS and you know it. LOL
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Jun 26, 2010 3:15:58 PM CDT
"I guess we technically have our first alien companion of nu-Who
by peterclay65
Everything was reset so rory was NOT a robot anymore. did you watch the same episode as me
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should have resulted in some sort of time Paradox. I know it's only a small thing, but it's an established fact in Doctor Who the same person can't touch each other, without causing a time Paradox. Although, you can argue that technically the Amy's are from alternate dimensions, it's established that it's the same timeline. Where were the reapers? Ok, this British Whovarian will stop now.
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Towards the tardis and the pandorica therefore the furthest reaches disappeared first
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They did make a big fuss about how the Earth was in the 'Eye of the storm' and thus preserved, since that's supposedly the calmest point of tornados and the like. (Not that that I would know since that's the one type of bad weather Scotland doesn't seem to get..Thus far..)
Oh and Kelvington;- My name's not Richard Gere! Though since ol' Richard was quite good looking back in the day, I'll take it as a compliment! ;)
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The rest of the universe was destroyed first, and we saw the rest of the universe destroyed in the first episode. If they had shown the explosions, and not just the disappointing in the first episode, I guess it would have been a lot more believable, but it really annoyed me.
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are taking the Doc to another level.
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My view is that the main thing keeping things going was the Pandorica although that was only delaying things.As the Doctor said, the Pandorica was built from a scan of Amy--an Amy who had time travelled and had lived next to that darn crack all her life.So there was a core of existence that was hanging on powered by Amy's knowledge and by the Pandorica.
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I think you're wrong there Dan, surely the reset means Rory is 100% human again?
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If the tardis exploded in 2010, wouldn't the earth be safe til that point and then the tardis would replace it! Also if the alliance was from earths future then they would exsist to travel back in time!! To much time spent about time travel thanks too BTTF 2!!!
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But only because...we had stone Daleks. STONE DALEKS. How FUCKING cool was THAT????
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were the result of the Tardis' explosion rippling though all of space and time, throwing everything out of whack, right? The only way to save the universe from the Tardis was to lock it out of the universe on "the other side", so it never existed to explode in the first place.But since we all like a bit of Doctor Who on our TV, Amy had to remember him and the Tardis to bring him back across the void, using her magical remembering abilities.Let's face it, it doesn't make sense and it's not going to. I still got a rather sudden attack of hayfever during the episode...Someone or something, possibly called The Silence, caused the tardis to explode to destroy the universe, and ironically the Doctor's enimies constructed the only thing that could save the universe (becuase the Pandorica was able to preserve some of the universe "as is"). I am looking forward to the christmas special already.
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So he shouldn't have remembered anything outside of dying the first time.
But if we are getting in that route, Auton's are all one mind, and don't have a individual mind. Unless this gaping plothole is explained later, Auton Rory should have just reverted to normal Auton after episode 12. -
Yeah, I found it quite amusing that that old decayed thing seemed much more deadly looking than the garishly coloured new ones..LOL!
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K-9 appeared and laid down next to the dying Doctor. Who knew that the Doctor's enemies built the Pandorica as a place where they could all be together again after they died?
But seriously, spoilers
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Is Rory still a robot after the universe rebooted? I thought that he was reinserted into the timeline as a human.
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Anyway, a very enjoyable season. And special recognition to Matt Smith who largely consigned David Tennant's wonderful performance to the cracks in time and made me forget that there was ever another mad man flying the Tardis. -
I think you're being too generous with the reviews Dan, you do acknowledge the plot holes but the sun somehow not taking out our solar system when it supernova's and the Doctors non escape paradox take the shine off it a little. Young Amy went almost nowhere as a plot device, the Dalek 'mercy' scene was pretty cheesy, and the fast pacing of the intro and first half gave way to a magic reset solution again. To me, Amy remembering her way to reincarnating the Doctor is not too far removed from the people of Earth believing in the Doctor in that god awful finale where they turned him into a cut price Gollum. Much improved to me, but could do better. B+
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The Doctor explained that Amy's prolonged exposure to the crack allowed her some special power to make her memories of Rory (stolen and used to make Plastic Rory) more than just memories - in fact it was Rory's essence (the word soul was specifically used) in the Auton and his essence Amy brought back when she re-conjured the rest of the world (including her family). So in effect his "soul" (ugh) basically went from his original self, to the Auton, back to his original self, meaning all instances were truly one and the same Rory.
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...if all they do is stand around for one scene and then disappear?
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As soon as Old Amy touched Young Amy I thought for sure that was going to be the reset. I kept thinking of the Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart touching a version of himself, and we know in this series thing do react, because when the Doctor touched sonics... and it's not gay if it's your own.
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I think it've because it was old and decaying it seemed so off the chart cool - kind of like a zombie dalek, and with the eye partly eaten away too. Way better than the iPod Daleks of many colours.
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Jun 26, 2010 3:43:26 PM CDT
I've only seen the first ep of the new Dr. Who...
by hollywoodhellraiser
and decided to wait til the season was over to download and watch the others as a marathon of sorts!
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It was just like everyone thinking about the Doctor. It's all a little too tinkerbell for me. But the use of the wedding line, was so well done! I can honestly say I didn't see it coming.
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seriously the talkbackers who postulated that need to smoke less crack.
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It was obvious it was going to play some plotpoint, but as for it being a Tardis? It could have happened, the way they shot it, and made it seem like the house from episode 10. Which is something I would like to come back, considering how much I loved that episode but it had no freaking payoff (Oh, the....Tardis like machine is gone, oh well!)
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We have Female Time-lords, and Male-Timelords, Male Timelords cannot become female, and vicaversa. It's such a stupid arguement, why not have a freaking dog Doctor, or a Horse Doctor?
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Logically, why would he regenerate into a woman after being a man every other time?
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And I think Moffat will make it so. Seriously, she loves the Doctor but is ruthless. When the Doctor finds out who she is, things change -- I expect there will be a story where she is the "bad," but her love for the Doctor, from university days, in the end is what brings her to her change of heart, and because the Doctor did not give up on her, she in the end treasures him above all.
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Zombie Daleks? Heh! Now that is a scary notion! :)
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...we've found him.
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I very highly doubt she is the Rani. Apart from a few slight similar character traits, they are nothing alike, and if she was the Rani, the Doctor would have known.
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Surely this is AICN history in the making?
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I remember you! I believe in Kelvington! (and Harvey Dent)
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You missed a big geeky reference: When the doctor tells Rory that Amy is 'mostly dead' that's a big tip of the hat to 'The Princess Bride'.
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It's going to piss people off who wanted PLOT resolution. It's going to be enjoyed by people who wanted an emotional tale.
Like the LOST finale, I enjoyed it, but it was tinged with just a little bittersweet disappointment, mostly because it wasn't entirely what I wanted.
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There is no plot hole. What the story said is that the Sun never was and in fact all of earths existence, it had been around an exploding tardis. So, there was nova a sun to go super nova. Our solar system was unique in that it formed around an exploding tardis and not around a star.
In the reset universe, our solar system creates itself around a star as per usual.
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So the Rani can't die? Weird that. And there are many, not a few, similar character traits, starting with the fact that the Doctor/Rani seemed to have had a relationship at one time. I wouldn't be surprised if SM even makes it that the Rani is Susan's mother -- how do you like that? But more importantly, how would the Doctor know, if the Rani is in human form? River said when the Doctor finds everything out, she is sorry -- something reveals who she is -- and it causes a rift between them --though obviously not forever.
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...about needing her to remember what he said to her, halfway through the stone angel story was brilliant though. You contrast that with the way bad wolf was highlighted in neon under RTD and you realise how far Who has come.
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By "old fashion thinking" you mean internal logic then. Why not have the Doctor turn into a prawn instead? That's far more radical than what you are proposing. Then make him asexual.
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...more like Iris Wildthyme than the Rani, who is an amoral scientist first and foremost. Both River and Iris fancy the Doctor like mad and refer to past or future adventures they've shared with the Doctor (or had in his place).
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where the planet believed in the doctor! Because here it serves a purpose, it symbolizes character development on Amy's part, and, in fact, is the moment when the doctor "saves" Amy, although narratively she appears to be saving him. This completes her journey for this season, from a hopeful girl to a disappointed adult in the first ep, to here where she is choosing to believe in her imaginary friend and become that hopeful girl again. That other finale with everyone believing in the doctor served no such purpose other than to get the doctor out of a narrative shitpile. I don't mind reset buttons or any silly narrative tricks if they are actually meaningful in some way:they have to serve a purpose. After all, the Doctor himself is one HUGE Deus Ex Machina...
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According to SM, the Silence and the story of River is Season 6. I am thinking the rumors of Omega probably are correct, and he might be the one who reveals who River is to the Doctor (and maybe, just maybe, at that time, she is a River from far in the future, who joined with Omega).
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Geezus fucking christ, there's always something wrong with Dan's reviews, isn't there? :)
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People know not to take Doctor Who to heart. Hence the lack of rantings and insults common on other TB's.
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With no other matter in the universe outside of the billions upon billions of particles that eventually formed the Earth and the Moon,how could live evolve? Isn't the current theory that a planet collided with earth and formed the moon from the debris? If you strip it right back it makes no sense at all. Why could we see supernovas from stars billions of lightyears away? The light from those stars would still be there in 2010, but it would ruin the dramatic twist of there being no such thing as stars. Who has never made that much sense, but it's fun to nitpick right?
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Who gives a flying fuck? Moffat is writing a fairy-tale with loose science-fiction elements, not a treaty on realistic or plausible science.
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No, River is devious. Look to how the Dalek begs for mercy when it realizes who River is. That is not what would happen with Iris.
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It's not even that. The Rani, although not intently evil, certainly has an agenda against the Doctor, working with the Master to get what she wants, with a working Tardis. She would have had to survive the time war, and even if she had, the Doctor would have been able to detect if she was a timelord, and even then it wouldn't explained the fact that she died the way she did. She is not a time lord, and she was never intended to be, though the seeds of doubt were planted to make it seem like she was.
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When we next see River won't it be the case that the Doctor will be the one who knows more about her. She will be the one at that stage who won't have met him.So my theory is that she will be the big bad but we'll all know that thats not how things turn out.I can imagine her with some big bad plan and Rory, Amy and the Docs knowing winks around how all this will play out.
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...if they were going to reset him anyway, why not make him look as fucked up as the stone Dalek? I mean, Rory must have had some epic battles, but there's not a mark on him. He was plastic, he couldn't even heal a cat scratch....imagine if Amy found him in the exhibition, missing an arm and an eye, severely battered, would have been brilliant, and much more believable than Rory still speaking exactly the same after 2000 years, and not having a massive breakdown the second he saw Amy.
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@CoolBritannia: Yeah, that would have been great, and more plausible. Half a melted face from that WWII fire, say.
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The markings outside Amy's house were explained in the same episode they appeared in; they were from the alliance races who turned up there to scan her memories.
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Actually I just saw a special on the Science Channel that says time travel to the past is possible. However it would take more energy than we can make right now. And yes I know Hawking said we couldn't but he doesn't seem to be taking into account the idea that the Grandfather paradox doesn't apply when you have a multiverse. It wouldn't be the first time he's been wrong. When you go back in time and change something you go forward in a parallel universe based on those changes. The intersecting universes are here around us all the time. We just can't perceive them. The very fact that you go back in time is changing things so the past you go to ( because of causality ) is a parallel one ( everything that can happen will happen so an infinite number of combinations ) and when you leave you go forward in that reality. Hence no paradox.
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...would that technically be dildo action? WE NEED TO KNOW, bet that's not on Doctor Who confidential.
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Surely he'd have been better blending in to his current era...
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I disagree with Doctor dan completely, i thought this was a wildy underwhelming finale given all the build up and the cheapest who finale to date. Looks like all the cash was spent on last weeks ep with little for this one. The first half of the story was the best but after the dr got his fez blown up things got rather dull. I must admit to getting a wee bit confused several times and with all the technobabble going on i bet the young kids were slightly confused too! Im going to re-watch this ep later on this week but it just didn't really satisfy me at all.
If the xmas ep is what the doc,amy and rory are going to next (the space orient express) it sounds absoloutley horrible and i'd hoped we'd never get another Voyage of the damned! Here's hoping that it's something different.
I don't think overall this season has been any better than any RTD one, except maybe ecclestones one,the first half of the season was fantastic but the last half i didn't enjoy as much. -
is pretty fucking piss poor when it comes to actually teaching science. They are far more interested in having "cool" shows. So of course they said Time Travel was possible.
The fact is, there's nothing in the laws of physics as we currently know them which would forbid it, but we have NO way of knowing how it would be done. Just several possible hypotheses. Some of these seem logically consistant, but could still be wrong.
For example, we thought that Kipplers rotating cylinder method would work in theory, until he later (much later) figured out that the cylinder would have to be of infinite length. So that scuppered that hypothesis.
In anycase, just bear in mind that the Science channel is pretty shite, and you can't go too far wrong in the future. Or the past. -
I'm not sure what resolution you were expecting? The references to it being empty were because the crack took her parents. What else about the house did you think was significant? It was all wrapped up as far as I'm concerned.
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He had to guard the Pandorica, and Amy. Prior to our modern age, he likely didn't have the option of leaving the Pandorica indefinitely to go get some new clothes. When the Pandorica was in the museum, then he could leave it for an hour or two. Besides, it's a fairytale. And the idea of a 2,000 Centurion works well for playing on that trope.
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Not the only place I've seen this theory. However at this point it's all theory since we have no practical way of testing this right now. All I was saying is that stating that it's impossible ( as Mister Green stated ) right now is not true. And sorry but I like the Science Channel.
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I still don't get why amy didn't remember the daleks and the cybermen as mention in Victory of the daleks?
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I read a great theory once that you could only time travel when you had built a receiver.So, bearing in mind we haven't built the receiver yet nobody will be going back earlier than 2010.The good news around this receiver theory is that all this changing the past paradox for what has gone before wouldn't apply.I imagine though that once the first receiver is built time and world events would be pretty fucking flexible from that point on.There'd have to be laws !!And maybe some kind of guardians of it all. Lords of Time or some such thing.
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the simple drawing of Rory pulling the Pandorica away from the flames was more effective than if the scene had been shot.
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The idea of parallel universes is quickly becoming the corner stone of modern theory when trying to expalin how the universe came into being and how it works.
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probably because it felt 'right' rather than crowbar'd in. Like the idea of Amy & Rory travelling with the Doctor. *Really* like a few plot strands left open for the next series... Hope rumours of Christmas Yetis are true.
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Is there anyone actually using that? It seems to be dead as disco.
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All hail The Moff!
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Did you see the episode or not? Though I think he probably would, from time to time, put on the outfit because of the legend itself, and by putting it on, he could use the legend to scare others away.
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...surely someone would have told us by now? After all, it would exist right back to the dawn of time if someone wanted to leave some tech specs and a screwdriver for the cavemen to build their delorean.
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The legend was of the centurion. The images were of him dressed as a Centurion in 1941. Do you think he noticed the Pandorica was about to be destroyed, so got out of his WWII clobber, put on his Centurion superhero outfit and then went to save the day?
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Oh Fuck off! You'll be wanting a female James Bond next! Joanna Lumley excepted (only cos Moff wrote Curse of the Fatal Death) A woman as The Doctor would absolutely kill the mythology. Nothing sexist sbout it, The Doctor is Male. James Bond is Male. Fucking live with it!!!
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isn't canon so NO FEMALE DOCTOR EVER!!!!
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Amy Pond you're fuckin beautiful!! Seriously, what a babe. She is definitely up there with Peri in a Bikini!!!! :)
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make the assistants actually useful by having The Doctor as an old man. They won't do it though, the BBC know they've got a kids show that adults can also enjoy on their hands.
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As has been mentioned this was superbly confident writing - the reward to fans who have watched the season religiously and wanted storytellying and not RTD's version of make believe (make shit up) !
It feels so different. Where RTD's finales were sugar rush's, the ejaculate of fan wankery this is the comfort of knowing that you don't need the one night stand rush to satisfy your viewers... Sometimes the satisfaction is all in the waiting.
I usually only watch each episode once - RTD's writing kind of defined the 'one off' (or should that be 'knock one off') episode - but I'm going to need to watch it again to fully appreciate it. Is that a weakness ? Not sure. I'm sure there are plenty kids around the country asking their parents what just happened and their parents scratching their heads too.
But this is a totally different Doctor Who, make no mistake. And I've loved the journey over the past 3 months. My 'time' (!) has been invested and rewarded, and as has been mentioned already there's been plenty of shows that have been on longer that haven't delivered or satisfied its audience accordingly.
The supposed intellectual Stephen Fry had a bitch about writing for television had been dumbed down and nobody was writing intelligently anymore. Mr Fry I hope you watched this evenings show and realised just how intelligently a family show had been put together over 13 weeks that wasn't a shitty pop star reality show disguised as family entertainment. People may moan and complain about the licence fee or TV Tax that they have in the UK but if it kept fucking Andrew Lloyd Webber off the telly and gave us 22 weeks of Doctor Who a year of this quality - I'd pay double.
So at the end of the day... I've waited until 6 in the morning where I am to watch and enjoy this. The sciencey plot holes don't bother me - I'm not going to nitpick, honestly it really doesn't matter. Time is a fairytale too and it appears that Moff has really proven himself as the Deus of the Deus Ex Machina.
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Does anybody else think that "wedding dress" is a euphemism for hot lesbian sex.Just wanted to check.
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You would see Rory when he faced the Dalek. What was it he was dressed like? Again, my view is he didn't wear Roman garb all the time, but found it useful to keep the legend alive. This is why he was seen "from time to time." Otherwise, he was "in hiding."
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Fry is a smart man, but wrong in that instance. Especially as he was gung-ho about writing for the RTD era. Where it was invariably a bloated mess and very childish.
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So enjoy it and stop worrying about the logical science behind it. And you go away.
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And RTD was the one who wanted to dumb down his script.
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And, Rory ends up in the TARDIS in the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It was fuck all like the Lost finale - it was fuckin brilliant as opposed to that steaming turd tht Cuse and Lindelof thrust sown our throat the other week. Yes I am still pissed off about the end of Lost. Fucking 5 years waiting for that shitty pay-off. Compared to that the final Alias was fucking outstanding!!! :)
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They remind me a bit of Ian and Barbara. I just hope now Rory trusts the Doctor and isn't angry with him, but sees the Doctor has been working out to help him all along (instead of as being a competition which it seems Rory thought it was).
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I think if you look at the complainers comments (and there are a few) they are pointing to plotholes and what they view as logical problems. Which is pretty much what I expected.
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The bit where the Doctor said he didn't look in River's journal.... He lied... Yahtzee !
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We have to wait 6 MONTHS for the Xmas Special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's not bad, I don't know what is!!!!!!!!!!!
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Factual science, I watch it because it is entertaining and couldn't give a rats ass about it being grounded in reality
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...Dr. Who leaving Amy a telepathic message by touching her face. When did he get all telepathic on us?
At the least, he should have had to use the method he displayed in The Lodger.
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Beautiful even. I also assumed Rory is still plastic as the docs return ensured the events this season did happen, also it would make him the Kryten of the show and I dont think Moff would miss that story telling opportunity. All the people posting Dan is wrong and nothing else how weird is that? Nothing to say except to jump on an assumed error, oh well takes all sorts I guess. 'an Egyptian goddess loose on The Orient Express....in space' bring on christmas. Oh and I hope Matts new outfit is the top hat and tails, he was working that look. Oh again, bring back the Fez every finale.
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was coming back.
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Think we'll need to agree to disagree on Lost. I fuckin hated it but I'm prepared to let it go. STONE DALEKS! AUTONS! PROPER USE OF TIME TRAVEL! FUCK LOST! The Madman in the Box will always win!!
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Poor Rory. At least he finally got to get into Amy's crack.
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as I've said before, sometimes he's just less right. cool_britannia79 thanks and I believe in me as well... and you!
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He doesn't use it much but the first 3 doctors used telepathy back in 1973. And he has used it in Nu-Who as well - Girl in The Fireplace (who wrote that??? LOL)
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taking a throwaway line and building an Everest style mountain out of it. Then wondering why it's not dealt with as VITALLY IMPORTANT within the show.
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Yes, the budget was cut this year.
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I think they've mostly got away with it.
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and it really redeemed some of the more disappointing moments of the series from me. nice stuff
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Then I can forgive a lot of it. So it's not just them not caring or not trying hard.
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Always remember:
If a Doctor Who fan rates an episode 10 out of 10, be sure to subtract at least 4.5 for normal human viewing expectations.
For a rating of 5 out of 5, subtract 2.25
Or as suggested last week, you can employ the less objective "bow tie" unit of measure. For example, tonight's Doctor Who finale scored an approximate 37 bow ties for a cumulative score of 185 bow ties for this series.
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Beautiful even. I also assumed Rory is still plastic as the docs return ensured the events this season did happen, also it would make him the Kryten of the show and I dont think Moff would miss that story telling opportunity. All the people posting Dan is wrong and nothing else how weird is that? Nothing to say except to jump on an assumed error, oh well takes all sorts I guess. 'an Egyptian goddess loose on The Orient Express....in space' bring on christmas. Oh and I hope Matts new outfit is the top hat and tails, he was working that look. Oh again, bring back the Fez every finale.
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Seriously?
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So, you're saying that non-fans are incapable of rating an episode more than 5.5 out of 10?
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in the jumper talking to amy's mum while amy was upstairs as a young girl.
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Specifically, the types of fans who favour plot over the types of fans who favour emotional satisfaction.
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You have yet to put a strong argument forward as to why this gender change should happen. It just seems like you want to strike a blow for women's rights... I wouldn't imagine that many women frequent this site if you're looking to impress them.
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Bit freaky. I have no net tonight and cant rewatch tonights episode. Its doing my head in, there should be a late night showing on Sat on beeb three next season.
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I'll add Rorys on/off wardrobe decisions to 'questions I want answering next season'. Regarding Rory being plastic, it could go either way couldn't it. Technically they got to the wedding day, a point before Rory's 'death', so I have him as human. Dangerous precedent set in todays episode now though, if Amy can imagine it, the Pandorica can make it real? Is she Walt from Lost now?
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Well, Lost does have its fanboys. You know, the ones that hate every character but watch the show every week.
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He was auton before the reboot, but after the reboot, he is human. Simple.
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Amy's mind is special, and is touched by the crack itself. This gives it power to mold and create, to remember what the crack itself destroyed so as to bring it back because, in a way, it is molded as a response to the crack and possesses its power. Thus, when the Doctor is behind the crack, only Amy can bring him back because she has power over the crack. Just think of it as SM's own Bad Wolf.
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The silence is connected to the land of fiction or helps create it ;) But beyond that, even if not that, she has the power to recreate what was taken into the crack -- it can't be just anything.
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She's not just "imagine it and becomes real" girl.
The whole universe was passed through her mind while the crack was next to her bed.
It was the restoration field from the Pandorica that allowed the reboot of the universe. It was just Amy was particularly special, and was able to reintroduce the one element that was missing - The Doctor. There was no pure creation of artefacts. Only restoration of what had been there before. -
If it's not going to be explained directly, then my guess would be, that since the timeline was so screwed up that penguins were in the Nile valley, and Polar Bears were down south. So while Amy knew it was a duck pond, ducks in this universe were probably at the north pole. Or who knows... I give up on that one. LOL
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I loved this final so much (even with the big plot holes) , which surprised me as I haven't enjoyed a lot of this season....River Song has to be one of THE best Who characters ever , she shit's on the cheesetastic Captain Jack , and I loved the way SM left everyone excited for things to come ... My only gripe is with the BBC slashing the budget for their flagship show , and at the same time giving the moronic Alan Yetob millions of pounds for hideous and pretentious art projects at Broadcasting House (It's our money at the end of the day the bastards)....This is the link to the Times article about it; http://tinyurl.com/28chyhj
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muse at glastonbury are phenomenal.
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Very well done and thought out. With enough stuff to carry on into the next series/Christmas special. The Silence, why the TARDIS was pulled and detonated at the exact time..... all interesting stuff. And having Rory and Amy as a married couple on the TARDIS is gonna be interesting. We might finally find out what the sleeping arrangements on board. After all the series ended on Amy and Rory's wedding night....
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was that he hung around the pandorica as a kind of myth. Lurking rather than standing there. It may be that he simply didn't bother changing outfits, why would you if your not going to be in view? I think it's kinda cool in a fairytale way, also no the Rory at the end was the real deal, but it is feasable that the Rorbot could still be out there
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'(Amy) has power over the crack'. Now you can all stop asking for a female Who.
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I was going to go to bed but i couldn't resist... so next season is about Who is River Song and what is the Silence according to The Moff in Confidential...
Also I got that the "black woman" as previously referred to... with Amy's Mum was her counsellor/psychiatrist... Nothing more to see there I think...
Talking of Lost I wonder whether the Polar Bear from Australia was intentional, or just a bit of fan wankery on the Moff's behalf, and whether the things like the Pharaohs in the Himalayas, The Nile Penguins and Dinosaurs on Ice will ever be revisited now history has been reset ? -
Jun 26, 2010 6:17:59 PM CDT
My attempt at a review, crucify me now, i will only regenerate
by blagwedge
Tonight i saw the finale of Series 5 of the "Nu-Who", entitled "The Big Bang", which had a lot to live up to after last weeks UBER-Awesome "The Pandorica Opens" ("Did you just say UBER-Awesome?" Yes i did, theres nothing wrong with a 34 year old guy saying that about what is essentially a kids show). The Big Bang for me lived up to its potential and more, offering hints of whats to come in next years series (Sorry, i'm British, i mean next season). While i did like the RTD era of the show, Moffat has taken it to a new level, the writing and planning in this series has been top notch, and so much of it was paid off with this finale. I'm going to steer clear of spoilers, because this is one of those rare occasions when we brits get to see something before you guys do in the US, and this ....is so good it doesnt deserve to be spoiled. I'd feel bad. Ish.
This episode summed up why a large chunk of Nu-Who's audience aren't 10 year old kids, and are "grown ups" like me. I probably shoudn't be watching this, being a fully grown (well i like to think so) man, but i feel this is the Doctor Who i deserved to watch when i was a kid. My doctor was really the 5th doctor, Peter Davidson, i saw all the 5th doctor stories the first time they were broadcast, although he wasnt my favourite, my favourite was Tom Baker, who i do JUST remember watching, just barely. You'll notice i'm using past tense. Thats because i'm going to say something that would cause die hard WHO fans to stick a Sonic Screwdriver up my TARDIS's exhaust pipe. Old Doctor Who was shit. Really, really, really shit. Sure i have fond memories of it, i loved it when i was a kid. But my god its fucking awful if you watch it now. The wobbly sets, the appalling acting. The guy who played the Master back in the day was a FUCKING JOKE (think of a really camp, british ming the merciless with a smaller wardrobe budget). Since 2005, its almost reached credible status, sure there are still plot holes, but thats not what Nu-WHO is about. Its about action, drama, humour, scifi, good writing, good acting, good.....well, better special effects than the original.
The big bang advanced the show without retreading old ground, with each RTD finale, i felt he was raising the stakes too far, without any thought as to how he would top it next time. I mean, seriously, what could be worse than a bomb that destroys all of reality? Well, here we are, Moffat has done it. What would be worse? Having no Doctor. But i dont feel moffat needs to raise the stakes next year, he can just carry on, Matt Smith can carry on, both with my utter blessing. I loved the line just before the credits rolled, I loved the time travel, this is a show about time travel obviously, but usually, its about going to a particular time, and crazy shit happening, this time, it was time travel within time travel within time travel. Nested Paradoxical fucking fantasticness. In fact, its so obvious now that Moffat had this all mapped out from the start, i may have to go back and watch some of the episodes again. Not contrived, at times hilarious (ok, 1 small spoiler, the Doctor wears a Fez), ultimately massively touching (my wife was teasing me, "Oh god, youre not going to cry are you?"), but not a dull moment anywhere. And River Song. Oh my god River Song. Does that class as a spoiler? lets just say we're obviously going to see her again. In fact, i almost dont want to see her storyline resolved, she's awesome. Big hint dropped there. And Amy is offically awesome. I wasnt sure about her at the start, but she's really grown on me, because the whole fancying the Doctor thing that was done with Rose, and then Martha, has not been repeated. In fact, i almost think thats why Rory has been such a big fixture this season, just to reinforce that point. This is Moffats Who, and he's doing things HIS way. Which is good, i think it had to be this way to stop WHO sinking back into obscurity again.
How many days is it till Christmas?
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A credit to Moffat's writing that actually CARE for secondary characters.
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OH MY GOD IT FELL INTO THE CRACK
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You still don't get the thing about time travel and parallel universes. Time travel doesn't exist in this universe but if from here you go into the past you are automatically going into another reality where it does. Time travel exists there. It doesn't here because no one has come back in time in our reality. I know it does test your notion of common sense a bit but that's the nature of quantum mechanics for you. But it does tend to explain why we've never heard of any accounts. Also I can think of lots of reasons why a time travelr wouldn't want to reveal themselves.
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you forgot about the stairs that go nowhere. I don't think we are finished with the house yet
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Wonderfully done, and as other people have noted the reset button doesn't feel like a cheat. That's because Moffat had it worked in well in advance and it didn't feel like something that he was pulling out of his hat at the very end. I do like that the "big bad" isn't revealed yet and will carry on into next season - or at least into the Christmas Special. It leaves time for more clues to be laid down in episodes. As for Rory, there is a question lingering. Yes, he is human again and not an Auton, but how much does he remember? Is it just until his death in 2020, or does he remember all the Auton Rory bits as well?
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An excellent Dr Who there, and get over yourselves with the alleged 'plot holes' because once reality starts coming apart at the seams, things are going to get a little wonky, that's inevitable. Kudos to those observant talkbackers who spotted the Jacketed Doctor in the forest, on the other hand.
And on top of all that, as has been touched on, the utterly brilliant Muse set at Glastonbury on the beeb in its entirity. Now let Matt Bellamy lose to fix the theme music, eh Moff? -
That should be 'loose' not 'lose', drat it all.
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As for the people complaining for the Alliance being around for only 5 minutes, presumably they are all back too, possibly with their memories of the Pandorica and the Doctor. IF they find out it wasn't actually the Doctor who was behind the destruction of the Universe, they might take it personally if they find out who did it. Who knows, for the ending 2 parted next year we might be seeing the Doctor actually leading the Alliance against the big bad.
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The time tunnel/wormhole - I liked how they didn't show the TARDIS traveling through it in an episode itself until the last one. I thought the lightning and stuff may be a side effect of the cracks. Now it looks like they might keep it. I do have to say, however, they did a wonderful job at the very end of the episode seguing from the TARDIS going through time to the end credits. Second - Omega as the big bad. It's possible, and would fit the requirement of something outside normal space and time, but I would have thought Rassilon would have fished him out of the black hole for the Time War. The comments about River Song and Omega, however, made me think of the Lance Parkin novel The Infinity Doctors. River Song as Patience, anyone? A side note here: if it's Omega, it perfectly explains the duck pond. Omega took all the ducks to make replacments for his antimatter space chickens. (If you don't get the reference, watch Ark of Infinity.)
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I didn't say that, I said it was shot to make people question wheter it was like a tardis or not. It was obvious that it wasn't, but it was left open for fan theorys, like the true cause of the
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This season also has seeds for the next. We still might have another "future doctor" connections to this season, especially to the second episode.
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Btw...where are all the other reviews? Not taking anything away from Dan's work, but I prefer heavy spoiler alerts or completely spoiler-free reviews. I enjoyed contributing but don't bother now. However.... this week: I was enthralled by last week's episode. Sheer brilliance. So brilliant, in fact, that I don't think anyone - even SM - could pull off a totally satisfying finale. As in: one that doesn't rely on an ongoing arc. I can't take anything away from the Chief, though. His writing is superb. It's just personal preference. I would like to have seen him tie this up (with maybe a few teases) in the satisfying way that RTD was unable to. As it was, this ep was really more about Amy in the end. River was hardly used (so yes, Dan, I belong in that group) and there was not the emotional payoff I was looking for. It just felt like a really great bookend, or even part 2 of the series opener. Ok, ok... there's the Rory thing! Ok. Hell, in this case, I would just like to have had a really cool villain (Black Guardian, Valeyard.. even The Master) be behind the plot to entomb The Doctor. Just my two cents.
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Nice of people to stop in chat. I've avoided scrolling back and reading it but it looks like a few people stopped in. Nice. Remember, click CHAT above here on the site and once connected, type /join #Gallifrey
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the Douglas Adams nod? A world all alone, without any stars? The universe being destroyed? Have some potato chips.
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There is a big bad out there.
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.. is it me, or is the way the Doctor got the Universe to reboot a delightful nod to Douglas Adams' Hitch-Hikers Guide To The Galaxy? He said that the Pandorica contained just a few billion atoms of the old Universe and "in theory, you could extrapolate the whole Universe from just one of them". That's the Total Perspective Vortex that Zaphod Beeblebrox was thrown into ! I've gotta go back and watch this episode again to see if there's any fairy cake.
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It took me a while to process it. I wasn't sure if it was that great at first but after processing the grand scale of it and how it connected all the dots, I thought it was pretty great.
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Four more possible Douglas tributes: 1) Perception Filter = the Somebody Else's Problem field. 2) Universe extrapolated from atoms in Pandorica = Universe extrapolated from a piece of fairy cake. 3) Letters on a cliff face at the dawn of time = God's final message to his creation. 4) The Doctor to Amy: "Don't panic"
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They can be facing destruction at the hands of Davros himself, but DALEKS DO NOT BEG FOR MERCY!! They are NOT designed that way.
Oh, and the Doctor couldn't have saved himself. Classic stupidity paradox. Come on, Moff...
Other than that, a class act of a finale. A great big threatening reset button, that WORKED!! Good on the Moff. But less of this "fairytales don't have to make sense" bollocks. that's sailing dangerously near to how RTD wrote for WHO, and look where that ended up. Dobby the fucking Time Elf. **shudders**
Good on the WHO team, though. Nice to see a finale that was finally worth the wait. Damn good stuff.
Axcel1, and all you other WHO TB regulars, I'll see you in the other TBs - but mainly, I'll see you all here at Christmas. Hope the rest of your year is awesome!!
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I love Doctor Dan's reviews - and his site is superb - but just having his reviews and no-one else's up is just gonna discourage other posters from doing reviews, which is a massive shame. Herc - get some other reviews up there with Dan's, pronto!! It was way more fun reading a spread of differing reviews rather than the same guy's week after week...
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As someone else said when Amy touched young Amy then bad things should have happened as in Mawdryn Undead http://is.gd/d5DcH It would have been nice if the Doctor had said some throwaway line about that not mattering now or something.And the who magic words/wishing thing was a cop out. The time travel stuff was fun though and reminiscent of the way in which Blink was told.
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The Pandorica is possibly the biggest and most blatant Deus Ex Machina device ever sen in Doctor Who. It brings things to life, it preserves the universe, flying it into an exploding TARDIS creates a restoration field (?), it opens whenever the plot requires it too, there's no explanation of where it came from or who built it and the Doctor goes from not believing it exists to having a complete understanding of every singles one of these functions in a couple of hours. (By the way, I'm not saying I didn't like the episode.) The stone Dalek looked a thousand times better than the plastic Daleks.
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There should be more reviews here, allowing for different opinions -- especially if I disagree with the majority. Not sure why that practice has stopped recently.
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Her death could be the fall. The Doc knows its coming and the first time we meet River is in silence in the library, maybe the title is literal?
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If you let go of Amy's house being a TARDIS, I'll let go of the whole sun exploding thing. Deal? Deal...I gave up submitting reviews here about a month ago, when only DD's was being used. This is the way Herc has chosen to go, and I respect that.I also said I wouldn't review tonight's here unless it was rubbish or it was the ejaculate conception. It was neither so I didn't bother to review it here.Time for bed. Now the sweet release of death... I mean my girlfriend calls to me... now where did I leave that wallet?
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Her death could be the fall. The Doc knows its coming and the first time we meet River is in silence in the library, maybe the title is literal?
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Her death could be the fall. The Doc knows its coming and the first time we meet River is in silence in the library, maybe the title is literal?
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I kind of hope you're right because that would be literally brilliant.
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Loved every minute. NO. Every second. Fantastic payoff for a series that almost was Moffat saying "GOTCHA" himself at the end. At times it felt as if it were teetering toward childish goofiness without what Moffat had made so great about the episodes in the last series he wrote. But it all came around in the end, didn't it? GERONIMO!!
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I like Smith's Doctor. Don't love him (that's reserved for better Doctors: Tennant, Eccleston, McGann, Baker). But I was really hoping that Moffat would correct himself and get rid of Karen Gillan, who is really awful. Instead it will be her and that skinny nerdy kid as husband-and-wife companions? Yecch. Well, maybe Gillan will become totally full of herself and decide she's too good for DW, and then they'll replace her. Practically anyone would be better than she is.
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What an amazing episode! Despite knowing Matt Smith was signed on for next year, and the obvious fact that they couldn't just kill him (doubt he could regen from THAT), I was near to tears just before he flew the Pandorica into the TARDIS. River Song and the Dalek pleading for mercy... the Dalek actually being *scary* for once... the fez... Centurion Rory staying with the Pandorica for nearly 2000 years... the Doctor dancing at Amy's wedding... the scene in Flesh and Stone (literally cheered and said "in your face" for the people who'd doubted it)... "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue"... "gotcha"... OH MY GOD it was just amazing!
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People are actually chatting... click CHAT above and once connected, type /join #Gallifrey
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2 chatting. And YES I had my Toblerone. or two.
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Are identical to the ones the other Tardis used in The Lodger. Different colour door frame on Amys. A familiar blue but apart from that identical. Moff is laying down many options me thinks.
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This is nice. No spoilers though.
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and join us in chat, Kelvington?
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I sure wouldn't.
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The old man hologram is not the same person who opened the door to Craig. I think it was the first doc somehow, the holo old man has a different voice and hair to the one Craig speaks too. Spooky.
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It was a theme piece, playing into the overall Amy/Rory arc, which was important to that idea that "nothing is ever forgotten."
Also, this was the same style as the LOST finale, character focused conclusion, but not as abrasive because it didn't try to convince us of contradictory philosophy (you can resolve the faith/reason dilemma by having faith in people's ability to reason). -
Though having a mystery someone build another Tardis would seen something the show would address one day.
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Though having a mystery someone build another Tardis would seen something the show would address one day.
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Oh I hope so.
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I thought that Rory was still an Auton at the end, yet people here are saying he isn't. At first, I assumed that he was human, but just after he says, "How did we forget the Doctor" (as Amy runs to the TARDIS), it sounds like he then says, "I'm plastic" followed by something I can't make out. Can anyone clarify what is said there?
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But I think it was more of a question... he wouldn't be an auton anymore, I don't think. His memories were just coming back to him at that moment.
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Plastic, huh?
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THE GOOD: Everything, especially the Doctor's dancing. THE BAD: WE have to wait months for more Who. THE HILARIOUS: Dan, as always, fucking up and missing the plot points exhibited by thinking Rory's still a robot. All in all, Matt Smith is the best doctor, that was proven tonight and through this season unequivocally.
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The only episode I would say I disliked was VICTORY OF THE DALEKS, and even that was ok in the first half - up until they reveal what the Dalek plans were. Sue me, I liked THE LODGER - it was no LOVE AND MONSTERS or FEAR HER, (though admittedly, that is not saying much).
Still, I felt that too much RTD-style cheating in the episode. Things such as how the Dr can escape the Pandorica when he can't have escaped in the first place, or how the box that was essentially inescapable can be opened by a flick of the sonic screwdriver (a recurring gripe for me), or how the pandorica is used to bring people back to life and restore things that have ceased to exist, or how Amy remembering the Dr brings him back. It just felt like things were being thrown out there to pad (and resolve) the plot, though I did like seeing the alternate timeline and the sky with the exploding TARDIS in it. Still, I watched this kinda late, so I will have to rewatch it again as I expect I missed a lot of details. At least the Dr didn't turn into a house-elf again. -
after the awesome first-part of the finale,the second part was a big disappointment,which not only it didnt reach the quality of the first part but it didnt even manage to reach the quality of RTD's best seasons finales...i will be quick since i want to read all the above comments:1.Technobabble or rather technogarbage.This episode is clearly the most overfilled episode of the whole,and i mean the wole WHO series,with so much mambo-jumbo techno which made your ears bleed.i mean seriously WHAT THE FUCK was this all about? a box with regeneration field,used to revive amy and save the universe by throwing it in a burning sun which will amplify its powers throughout the original timeline-history of the universe,and it makes hot tea and chocolate cookies? wtf?Amy is dead,but she is not dead,she has her memories,so we put her in the magical box which also happens to put you into sleep so you can not get bored or insane living in a box for 2000years and you can easily be awaken with the use of your dna from your hand.really? and i thought that the magical black liquid in Distric 9 was the most ridiculously convenient macguffin/plot device in a story.Amy and Rory.i like the actors but lets face it there is no chemistry between them,they dont convince that there is love between them,something that has not been helped to be developed a bit further in this season.especially Rory gives the feeling that is more as Amy's sidekick/sex-toy rather that her true love.Which brings us to the finale episode.if i the viewer can not relate to the real human Rory and be convinced for his infinite love for Amy,then HOW THE FUCK is Moffat to expect from the scenes when Amy is crying,and kissing,and loving a FUCKING PLASTIC ROBOT which has Rory's memories and feelings to have any kind of the slightest dramatic emotion? i was really laughing when Rory killed the Dalek which his laser hand-gun and then went to kiss Amy because she missed her. am i supposed to get emotional with Rory,when the real Rory is only shown to be Amy's doll even in his fucking wedding day? get serious mr Moffat.They busted our nuts with the whole damn promo that the universe will be saved by a little girl who stills believes in stars.ok i get it,Amy is Rose no2,but come one now at least the Bad Wolf finale had Rose kicking ass and proving why she was the Bad Wolf and essentially the center of the whole season.But here what the child Amy who still believed in stars did? she put her hand in Pandorica and released the original Amy? thats it? and then she vanishes? maybe i am exaggerating but in this episode we see half the time Amy crying about Rory,then crying a bit more about the Dr,then a scene with the alternate kid Amy opening the Pandorica and believed to be crazy because she believed in the stars,and then a bit of the new young Amy who is still considered to be crazy but this time of a fictional friend and ofc crying YET again because something is not right.is it my idea or is Amy,which i frigging like her,the most crying,selfish,worthless companion bitch in the rebooted series?I dont blame the actress,i blame Moffat who overused it as the dramatic center of the finale and neglecting to introduced her in more glorious and epic way as the savior of the whole goddamn universe as it was already advertised and shown throughout the whole goddamn season.i am sorry mr Moffat but here RTD did greater job with Rose and Bad Wolf.so RTD-Moffat 1-0.oh and another thing.the advertisement said that silence falls in 26-6-10,which is the date of the finale episode.but silence fell one week before,in 19-6-10 since its then when the universe was destroyed.in the finale episode the universe was restored.so the whole promotion was a bit misleading or Moffat consider the viewers to be idiots?then we have the Daleks.because kids you know it,you cant have a WHO finale without daleks.and yet again,conveniently yet again,you dont vanish from existence like the rest of the universe.no you become a stone statue until a light from the super magical box revives you and then you can become the one-dimensional,thrown there for no apparent but to give some thrilling moments and be the villain of the episode,a villain which has nothing at all to do with the rest of the whole goddamn episode.but i guess the kiddies fanboys will be happy enough to buy some new toys.but at least the Daleks in the museum had an explanation for their existence there.Earth how exactly was saved from armageddon? and not only that,but it conveniently lasted before total wipe-out from the timeline,long enough until the Pandorica was opened with Amy in it in the present alternate time.Now the fun begins.What fun you ask? but how Moffat managed to fuck up the internal logic of the finale episode,by ignoring the whole time all the rules and hints he had established throughout the season and mostly in the finale episode.now maybe i am wrong with what i say,since i watched the episode with no subs and i have a bit of difficulty to understand british accent.i will say what i understood from the episode.in the original timeline,Amy had a family.but then the cracks appeared and her personal life was changed.enter present date of the original Earth.The Doctor will reboot the universe,rewriting the history as it is,using the magical powers of the box which from prison turned out to be GOD's creation toolkit.anyway.River Song makes explicit it clear,that since the doctor while be in the center of the cracks,aka in the center of the sun,aka in the center of the exploded Tardis he will be erased from history permanently.ok.ofc that does not explain why River was not erased from history when the Tardis exploded,in fact how can an exploded Tardis create a time-loop when it does not exist to sustain it? why River was not vanished too since she was in the center of the cracks which would affect the time-loop since they travel throughout the timeline? and how did the doctor managed to break the time-loop? i dont know,i ll leave it for Skynet to explain it.anyway the Doctor asks from Amy to remember her parents so that she can have them in her rebooted life.ok..Now here is the tricky question:Amy Pond,the original,who is going to vanish moments after the DR flies into the burning Tardis.that Amy Pond how exactly will get her parents back if she does not exist at all in the rebooted timeline?Question no2.Why the DR visits Amy in the forest (angels episode) to remind her that she must not forget what he told her,when that Amy is the original Amy which has already lost her original life with her parents and is going to die in the future? does this mean that Amy's memories work backwards? She has to remember things that are going to happen in the past (when she lost her parents from teh crack)?The DR reboots the timeline while flying backwards.she finds little rebooted Amelia,who has never meet him in the rebooted timeline.he talks to her while she sleeps,to remember him and he leaves.the crack closes and Amy does not lose her parents.ok.how exactly alternate Amy's memories brought her parents back,when she does not exist in the rebooted timeline and ofc little rebooted Amy was sleeping and was oblivious to what was happening? how the fuck original Amy helped to restore her life back? did she send morse code to little Amy while she was sleeping?Now the big question that takes the cake.The rebooted Amy,the rebooted Amy which has never met the DR in the rebooted universe when she was a kid,the rebooted Amy which has never met the DR again in the night before her wedding,that Amy for some completely UNKNOWN reason,she remembers the DR and acts like she knows everything that happened with him.and Rory ofc.Does this mean that Amy has a special ability which not only has full memories of things that happened in the future,regardless the timeline,but she also remembers things that happened throughout another timeline which does not even exist.who is she? GOD? she knows things of the future and things of alternate realities? how exactly brought her parents back? where is that thing? we got a whole dramatic scene where she brought the DR back,but nothing about her parents.no dramatic scene there?and how the fuck did she brought the doctor back when RIVER SONG said that this is impossible? and how exactly memories bring someone back when you have never meet the guy thus its impossible to have memories of that guy? wtf? does Moffat have any clue of the rules he establishes in his stories? Does he know that if you want to mix scifi,regardless of how bad it is,with drama,you should at least create a story which does not insult the intelligence of the audience?This finale reminded me 3 other stories with a similar premise: Timecop,BTTF and TNG: the finale episode.but i will talk about that later.ominus out.
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But saying it doesn't mean he is; Rory's always been a step behind, anyway.
Still - Wow. I've been away from DW for almost 30 years, and I couldn't have picked a better time to come back.
Eccleston was ... interesting (in review) and I really liked Tennant - But this guy is My Doctor. Sorry, 4.
And the best part, for me? "We're on our way." Team stuff. The first season was just a great big ol' teambuilder, and magically Rory went from being a thickie to a real member in a way none of the other male companions ever managed to, especially in NuWho. I LIKE the idea of a "Team Who." I would have never said that, ever, before the last few episodes.
(Several gushing paragraphs showing my historical knowledge cut for boredom.)
A last episode that essentially says, "All Right - here we go!" Loved it. Ignored the plotholes; it's television, and I'm an old-school Trekkie - I'm used to those. -
no ass-shots of River Song's great,great ass.damn. :(
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Definitely the REAL and human Rory who was able to recall the memories of his Auton counterpart.
Meanwhile, I thought the episode as a whole was entertaining, one mindf*ck after another, and just completely mental. And with the Doctor and TARDIS due for a makeover of sorts in 2011, I look forward to the next season arc focusing on the nature of River Song. -
It does actually seem that he says "I *was* plastic", though I still can't make out what Rory says after that. Anyways, I'm glad that he came back human.
I had expected that we were going to see Rory and Amy waving to themselves in THE HUNGRY EARTH at some point, but I guess not. Maybe in a future episode then - or it was just something they threw in for that episode alone to show that time could be changed... -
That has to be one of the best season's finales ever. The writing, the actors, The Effects, are all way above what they've ever been for Doctor Who. Loved it! Only the Doctor could get away with a plot that convoluted. Loved it!
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I love you, River.
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Great finale...wrapped up the major arc for the season, but is still leaving lots of stuff in the air. "I like wearing a fez!"
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*fling* *zapp*
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They fixed all the cracks, which restored people that had been erased, including Amy's parents? Which means the Rory that was erased should of been restored? But then how did he remember the Doctor saving the universe? hmmmm...
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hopefully this won't be the last we've seen of one in the series. I wonder if we'll see a deerstalker make its way into the Doctor's wardrobe at some point, though.
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i forgot the most important thing.how the fuck River Song had also all her memories? didnt she die too in the old timeline? but in the new timeline she looks,like Amy and Rory,that she remembers everything about the DR.and she also helps him to bring him back when she himself said that its impossible for the DR to survive? i smell major plotholes if Moffat decides to reveal her true identity in the new season,since they will inevitably contradict with the events of this season.anyway.Now about Timecop,BTTF and ST:finale 'all good things..'there are some similarities between those stories,and its a bit laughable to see people who praise the WHO finale when they whine for the same plotholes of Timecop and BTTF.Timecop:in the finale of the movie,Van Damme returns to a new,restored,alternate timeline where his family is alive.in fact he has the same suprise look,in a similar scene,like when Amy wakes up and finds out that she has parents.The difference is that then she seems to have full memories of her family.The plothole in Timecop is that Van Damme does not have the memories of his restored family.if his family never died,then why he does not have memories of them when he meets them in the restored timeline? the same plothole happens in BTTF movie.Macfly has no memories of his restored family when he returns back to his future-present.An explanation which is given is that these events dont affect the protagonists because they are time-travelers.a similar reason has been given by the DR himself,but here lies the problem:The DR said he is an anomaly because he is a time-lord,not a time-traveler,thus he is protected by time-space anomalies.Thats why he survived the crack when he put his hand in it,but Rory didnt although he was a time-traveler too.Second catch:Van Damme and Macfly never died,and carried the whole time their memories with them.They might not have the memories of the new,restored time-line but they had the memories of the original time-line.Amy of the original time-line died when the time-line vanished completley.Only the DR was saved,who time-traveled until he reached the time zero point of the Big Bang.So there is no original Amy,she died and with her,her memories.The DR says that the memories remain.ok.but the Amy in the new timeline never met the DR,and never time-traveled.so where did she find the memories of the original Amy,the memories of both the future and the past?I repeat Van Damme and Macfly never died.they traveled from timeline 1 to timeline 2,bringing together their memories from timeline 1.Amy didnt time-travel from timeline 1 to timeline 2,she didnt have the chance because she died.Amy of timeline 2 never met the DR,and never time-traveled in timeline 2.so how exactly she had the memories,memories of Amy from timeline 1 together with the memories of Amy from timeline 2? did the DR gave them to her when he rewrote the timeline? where is it shown? the only scene is when the DR talks about himself in the little Amy of the timeline 2 who she sleeps and she has never met the DR since we never see the DR arriving with his Tardis.in fact how could he since he never existed? but that does not explain how exactly the rebooted Amy knew EVERYTHING about the DR and what happened in the wedding scene? not only Amy but Rory too.did the DR talked to him when he was sleeping too? its one thing to have a vague memory of someone talking to you in your sleep when you are a kid,and another thing to know everything about a vanished alternated timeline.if thats not a major plot-hole,bigger than the Timecop and BTTF plotholes, i dont know what it is.Lastly i mentioned ST:TNG the finale.i mentioned it because i consider it the best example of a well-crafted story with a similar time-travel concept.The DR WHO finale pales compared to what the writers of the TNG finale achieved: well thought exploration of time-travel where past,present and future are interconnected and simultaneously interacted,how the actions of our past shape our future,limited and meaningful technobabble and a solution by a man (and not a magic box) which was respecting its internal logic and represented clearly its true meaning: the unlimited potential of the human raceDR WHO the finale is a mess,and i am very sad i say this because i loved the first part.Its a mess,where the writer does not comprehend the true mechanics of time-traveling,he uses it conveniently to solve story problems without caring about the internal logic of the rules he establishes,where the writer overuse a cheap,miraculous deus ex machine which does everything,resurrects deads,reboots universes,makes tea etc.an episode overfilled with so many plotholes,illogical events and meaningless scenes which only manage to confuse the audience and make it believe that what they saw was brilliant.i mean look the above comments: People praise the episode while at the same time,as themselves state,they didnt understand what happened in the episode.there are even people who think that Rory was a goddamn robot from the start.i dont blame them,i blame Moffat and this awfully written episode of his,which is the best example of why DR WHO is considered a kiddie show and not even a scifi show.good work there mr Moffat.
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Anyone harping for or against the concept of a female Doctor need only reference the very last episode of David Tennent's reign, the last minute and twenty seconds or so specifically. DT regenerates into MS, and, while the TARDIS console room is exploding around him, the new Doctor starts taking stock. Legs, still have legs, good. Arms, hands, fingers, lots of fingers. Ears, eyes, nose, had worse. Chin - blimey! Hair... I'm a girl! (Checks for adam's apple) No, no, I'm not a girl!
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OK, perhaps not a plot hole, but an unanswered question (or even a clue).
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rewatched it, Rory says "I'm plastic" and "he was the stripper at my stag do" in quick success after the Tardis materializes. Whether this is fact or just him "remembering" I don't know...sure theres lots to be tied up.
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A deerstalker would be great. He'd eventually find out what it's for and throw it on the ground, making a "eww" sound.
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about River Song.i am saying and i will say it again.this episode is bad,really bad.People are praising it because the first part was excellent and fanboyism makes the talking now.Just give it some time for things to calm down and maybe for a better finale in the next year's season and people will finally comprehend why this episode is already way overrated.
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I enjoyed the 9th doctor, and absolutely admired David as the 10th. I was extremely nervous when Matt took the helm as the 11th, thinking the Who resurgence would lose momentum, eventually leading to cancellation...how wrong was I. This is truly one of the most remarkable Who series ... thank you Steven! The last two episodes left me feeling as though I was the same 8 year old boy who fell in love Dr. Who so many years ago. Can't wait for series 6, Steven you have my absolute loyalty as a fan. Geronimo!
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oh what the fuck? Rory remembers that he was a plastic robot?
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BOUAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god,i didnt notice that.AHAHAHAH my god that beats all the goddamn plotholes of this fiasko.haha.Rory not only has the memories of an alternate reality,but he also has the memories of a robot while he was DEAD.AHAHAHAHAHA jesus christ.no ass-shot of the goddess River Song,but only ridiculous plotholes in this episode.oh joy.
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I've enjoyed this series far more than the others as a whole,it got to the stage where I could'nt repeat how I enjoyed the episodes and even took to experimenting with captial letters :#.Matt Smith is the man now dog,glad I backed him from Day 1 [which actually bucks my personal trend of predicting wrongly the companions in the past as regards potential lameness].As I have typed before,in my opinion,this Doctor is the one the kids will remember most fondly and for me anyway represents the character the best since 2005 [no disrespect to the other actors at all].Pop_aristocrat - Yeah class,that would've been be funny :>.I was satisfied with the Doctor's Mischeif with his armband when solving his problems and the fact that he found it boring,still needs must.The only time I lost focus was when Amy spotted a bow tie,a pair of braces and I was half expecting to see Tommy Cooper but there you go.Well done to all involved.Bring on Christmas.Thanks to Herc for putting up TB's in a timely fashion and giving us all something read on a Sunday.It's been a pleasure [Mostly,what the hell am I taking about etc,yeah nice 1] to read all of you this series and I'm happy that the older themes of discussion are becoming a thing of the past.Best wishes everybody.PS Now that that the crack in time is sealed,at least England will have thier form back for the Germany match........Oh crap Amy's Scottish,she won't imagine that into exsistence..we are doomed...DOOOMED.........not really Scottish friends,whatever will be will be.
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Well, OF COURSE we will probably come back to this finale in the future and view it as "not as good" as we do now. I remember liking S1 finale a lot, and then liking S4's as well, but Pandorica Opens/Big Bang blow all of those out of the water. Next year, or the year after, the finale may be even better, and we may come back and say "Well, PO/BB weren't really all that good in retrospect." Such is life. Doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we have now.
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rather than loss my time with worthless garbage like this finale.thank god for Matt Smith,the guy has saved by himself the whole season imho.
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of Kingston in those pants? I missed it.
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Will we get to see one sometime?
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Plot holes or no (and these are debatable, but really what's the point) it was still fun, tense, humorous, sad, slightly frightening, a touch goofy, and enjoyable. For me. If you didn't like it, well, there are other offerings out there I'm sure you will find more to your taste. If it was the possible plot holes that got in the way of you enjoying it, then all I can do is wish you good luck in your search for Perfect Entertainment.
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I missed the "I was plastic" comment when I watched. So, he remembers he's been around for over 2000 years now. It would be amusing if we can have a 2nd season story set in a historical time that the Doctor doesn't know exactly what's going on, but Rory does because he lived through it once.
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Makes you wonder if during his 2000 year stint if Rory ever met Captain Jack.
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I loved it, absolutely loved it - great sugary feel-good fantasy fun, full of wibbly-wobbly and the power of dreams. Audaciously silly melodrama that (for me at least) worked on all levels.
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Rory also remembers his meeting with God when he died.It was God who returned Rory back to Earth as a plastic robot,because he cried when he learned about Rory unconditional and unlimited love for Amy.Not the Alliance as the Doctor mistakenly hypothesized.Next week Rory will remember his days as the coach of the French national football team when they won their 10th Mundial Cup.haaaa ha.
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Don't lump me in with those bashing the episode, I loved it. While those events could be a plot hole, the door is open for them to explained in the future, much like the 'plot hole' of the Dr having his jacket on after the angels took it.
Those of you griping about the sun and other stars were not listening well, it was all explained well.
Rory says he is plastic, but perhaps he only thinks he is based on his returned memory. Since Rory was restored from Amy's memory, I don't have a problem with the 'today' Rory remembering everything. -
And anybody who knows what I'm talking about is instantly cool.
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i want good story-telling something that this episode was lacking.you dont believe me? watch BTTF1 or the ST:TNG finale.or even Timecop for what it is.Watch Terminator1 or watch Babylon 5 with the Shadows arc.Good story-telling ,where everything,everything is well-constructed,has a meaning and serves the characters and the story.Magical boxes with multiple purposes and multiple powers,normal people with super-powers,baddies with no purpose,dramatic scenes with no serious pre-establishment,cheap explanations and childish reasoning and a protagonist who is dangerously reaching the territory of a God-like being.this is lazy writing,not clever,not original,not well thought and well constructed,its a combination of interested which were thrown together but they didnt manage to combine into a nice,intellectual and emotional story.I dont know about you,but i was very sad with Eccleston's death although his doctor was in one season only.The scene when he is about to die,he turns to Rose,and says to her that she was fantastic,and then he says that he was also fantastic.and then he smiles to her,but his smile is sad,not a cheerful one and he dies.Now that is a very nice dramatic scene,with an ending which respects the character of the Doctor.Nowhere in this finale episode,i was touched by any of its dramatic scenes.Not even with all the irritating cries of Amy's.why? ask Moffat,he wrote the finale.Anyway as i said now its the fanboyism that talks.just give it some time.even TDK has started to be considered as an overrated film from the same people who were crazy about it years ago.until then happy double standards brothers and sisters.
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You didn't like it that's fine... but your aggressive hating of it given that you're in the minority makes you a fanboy whether you like it or not...
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its true,the no1 movie site in the net,does not have a re-edit button.yes sir,ri.
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As many of us suspected, he weaved several elements from this entire series into the finale, making the series one big story in the process. And since the Big Bad revealed in "The Pandorica Opens" (Omega, perhaps?) has yet to make a full appearance, it's entirely possible that any so-called "plot holes" may be addressed at some point next year.
I do, however, think it's ridiculously humorous and sad that RPLocke and KilliK are spending so much time trolling this talkback. What's the matter, children...Are you both out of Hot Pockets to eat while playing Nintendo DS and now you're all cranky?
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learn when to use it.If i truly hated this crap,then you would be too shocked to read what i would have written about this shitfest.The truth is that i am so much disappointed with this failure of an episode,especially after watching the excellent first-part episode,that if i had Moffat in front of me i would have punched him.not because of hate,but because he is an idiot who ruined something that would have been a masterpiece.what a muppet.
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Moffat's not a lazy writer at all. He had these things set up in earlier episodes (the scene with the Doctor and Amy on the Byzantium, the bits about young Amy and her parents). Foreshadowing moments - just like Babylon 5. Not at all like Star Trek. "Magical boxes with multiple purposes"? It was a box designed to keep whoever's stuck inside alive. The manner it keeps them alive also provided the ability to bring the Dalek back somewhat, which also gave the Doctor the clue that it might be able to be used to reboot everything with enough power. Extrapolations from the power that it has, This might not be your cup of tea, but it's far from being the work of a lazy writer.
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I really gotta wonder given the glow of his "reviews".
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Amy Crayon can think anything she likes
Like cats and dogs and crocodiles, and juggernauts and bikes
But Amy’s magic thoughts are not like any other
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Obviously i am talking of all the things he pulled out from thin air in order to progress the story of the finale episode.i am talking about the finale episode guys,which is supposed to be the central link of the whole season.A prison box who keeps the prisoner immortal? who the fuck is idiot enough in the whole who universe to think of something like that? which also revives a villain who has nothing at all to do with the episode's story? and also recreates the universe. This is the definition of lazy writing my dear chap.If some other guy used such overblown story devices he would have been trashed by the same people who praise this episode. You know whats even more sad? that Pandorica is essentially a replacement Deus Ex machina for the Tardis,since the Tardis in this finale is not present to save the day like it usually does in the rest of the whole series,not until the very end of the episode.So you have a writer who replaces a Deus Ex machina with another one because apparently he is incapable of thinking a different,new,original,alternative way for the Doctor to save his companions and the world.yeah great writing,not lazy at all my ass.and if you have read my first post,you would have known that the visits of the DR in the events of the previous episodes,dont make any sense on how exactly helped the Dr to save the world and return Amy's original life back.Which is not suprising,because if as a writer you cant comprehend and use accordingly the rules and time mechanics you establish in a single episode,how on earth are you going to do this for a whole season?? you cant,thats the simple answer.
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shouldn't get to bitch about holes in the plot, caused because they missed a line or five. But it's a democracy, so they do.
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In reference to people's comments about how hot River Song (aka Alex Kingston) is. She's "exposed" for a brief second in Cliff Owen's "The Croupier" (1998). Not bad.
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think about it.. Dabbling in his own past, as a female, keeping his/her true identity a secret. Brilliant!
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in the episode,how Rory of the rebooted timeline not only had the memories of the real Rory from the original,now excinct timeline,but he also had the memories of the plastic robot Rory from the original timeline while he was dead.clear as crystal water,yes sirre.
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http://tinyurl.com/2a7bpj2http://tinyurl.com/29vhataunfortunately not a back-shot of hers,but still an outstanding body.we want a spin-off series with River Song as a Time-Lord with her own Tardis,right now mr Moffat.
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I don't care about plot holes or anything..that was a great episode. Everybody was top notch, and River Song turned it up a bit dueling a f#@ing Dalek. And her last words to the Doctor? Ooh I can not wait for next season.
I finally see Rory and Amy as a couple, and now looking forward to them going with the Doctor next season. Some very cool sci-fi moments, and some fun TV.
I was looking forward to Moffat's reign, and enjoying it so far..
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is the TARDIS herself! Traveling with him through the 'River' of time, with the screetch sound that is actually her 'Song'.. 'Married' to the Doctor as they are never apart.. once the TARDIS is personified as an actual woman.. you willl understand why River Song could not leave/seperate herself from the exploding TARDIS!
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or anything". And so the end has come.
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i have thought the same thing.That River Song might be the Tardis personified.But nobody knows if Moffat has already decided in his mind who Song is,and if he has,there is still the chance that he might change his mind during the next season especially if he learns that the fans have already figured out who she is.but anyway River Song is a cool character and thats what it is important.personally i would like to stay mysterious like that and we never learn her identity.it worked for the good old Doc why not for someone else?
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then nothing in the world prevents him to consider TF2 a masterpiece of cinema art.
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as the ridiculousness of how the story progresses or resolves is concerned.
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1) We finally get what year Amy was born and what year The Eleventh Hour happened.
2) Amelia in the lonely Earth timeline clearly has some memories of the original timeline already. She remembers stars. And she seems to almost remember that the Tardis should have arrived but didn't. The crack is there, and has clearly been leaking into her mind already for some time. Since 11 never arrives, the crack will exist for another 14 years.
3) Nice vocal nod to Richard Dawkins, following the evidence as usual.
4) A lot of new Earth history doesn't make sense anymore, but humanity tends to ignore this.
5) Ok kid, this is where it gets complicated... was directed to the audience, not just Amelia.
6) It was mentioned in the Pandorica Opens that it contains all sorts of locks. Dead locks and TIME locks. Hence the Pandorica can hold its prisoner in stasis.
7) The Doctor says that Total Event Collapse means that no stars ever shone. Not one. So that deals with the why didn't Earth get wiped by a nova in 102A.D.
8) "The Tardis has sealed off the control room, and put her in a time loop."
9) "It's not a light. It's a restoration field." he tells Rory. Part of that whole, you can't escape the box even by dying. (Because it won't let you die.)
10) River tells us the Tardis is exploding at every point in history. (Thus, it's function as a "sun" for the history of the earth) If the Restoration field of the Pandorica is at the heart of the Tardis, then it will shine the restoration field at every point in time and space. (In exactly the same way the cracks appeared) -
Then I watched the premiere of Mongrels. Pretty funny. "You know, you can achieve a hell of a lot in life without testicles"(cut to concert shot)"Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Buble!!"ELL OH ELL!!!
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Could River actually be Captain Jack Harkness?? The last thing River says to the Doctor is "That's when everything changes". That's pretty close to the old "Torchwood" tagline. There's a lot of time between "Captain Jack" and "Face of Boe"...
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I usually agree with ya, and you seem tremendously sharp. But did you watch the right show?
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11) "Well, you'll remember me a little." "In your dreams, they'll still be there." He's planting it in her head. Because even though his timeline is reversing, she can still hear him.
12) It's only when the Doctor steps through the crack in her wall, that it vanishes from Amelias timeline. But by then, the idea/memory/dream of the Doctor has been planted subliminally.
13) Amy wakes up on her wedding day. We see the Doctor dolls that she made still exist. So she has clearly had memories of the Doctor her whole life.
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Oh don't make me laugh. All Good Things has a plot problem so severe it makes me cringe. The temporal anomaly goes the wrong way in the future - getting bigger as time goes by, which is precisely the revers of what it should do if the other two junctures are correct. Blink got it right and Cause & Effect from TNG gets it pretty well.
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Jun 27, 2010 2:10:06 AM CDT
Moffat interviewed after the episode airs....
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
..by his son. Quite nice this. Give it a watch.http://tiny.cc/mxvtp
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That would be so damned cool!
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I'm glad to see he's avoiding fandom. We're a fucked up bunch at times.
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I've had time to think about the finale now, process everything that happened and woke up this morning thinking "Yeah, I actually enjoyed that quite a lot". It was a good finale, and I enjoyed it far more than the LOST finale. Much more satisfying.
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Basically a perfect episode. Young Amy's back, the "Jacket" Doctor in part 2 of the Weeping Angels story is explained, River Song does her usual sexy/mysterious/adventuress thang, the Doctor says goodbye, the Doctor shows up at Amy/Rory's reception in full coat and tails, the Doctor dances, Rory's no longer a robot, Amy's parents are alive, the universe is saved and the newlyweds fly off with the Doctor for all new adventures! :DNot bad for less than an hour's entertainment. Long live Moffat!
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Do you reckon Moff lets his sons leave the room when it's on? I bet he spoils stuff too."NO! YOU WILL NOT GO FOR A FUCKING PISS. YOU WILL SIT THERE AND WATCH EVERYTHING! Coming up next is the bit where The Doctor gets into the Pandorica and then he..."
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"with The Doctor engineering his own escape by getting Young Amy (Caitlin Blackwood) to release him from the Pandorica"
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further in the past,not in the future.but that is not my point.lets agree that it is a plothole.my real point is that the whole story and the final solution was perfectly executed in that finale.no loose ends,no overused to the limits of ridicule technobabble,future and past events interconnected into a clear,fully comprehensible story line,no dramatic scenes with the lack of the emotional gravitas. And the big irony is that Q,who could have been a personified Deus ex Machina,instead he gave tips which helped Picard to solve the problem and reveal the true potentials of the human race.That finale got scifi awards for a reason ffs.
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You're the reason why movies and TV are so bad these days. Way to set those standards low.
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You're the reason I wish there was an ignore button on these talkbacks. I've never seen a worthwhile comment from you anywhere (I just popped into the IP Man 2 talkback and, lo and behold, there's another inane, boring comment from you designed to attract attention).Go away please.
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Have you ever seen Doctor Who? It shits all over Lost, which was totally fucked by its creators in the end. Go and watch Spearhead From Space, Inferno, Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, The Seeds of Doom, The Deadly Assassin, The Robots of Death, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, Image of the Fendahl, Kinda, The Caves of Androzani, Ghost Light, The Curse of Fenric, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Amy's Choice, Vincent and The Doctor and The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang. Then come back here and apologise for talking out of your ass.
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I've seen Dr. Who and it's terrible. It's the same stories over and over again, and then they recast. Star Trek and Lost are better written and acted than Dr. Who. Dr. Who is just cheap sci fi. Awful.
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Jeez my man , the programme wasn 't written for Astro physicists !!!At a simple level I've just extrapolated a couple of things :-1)The Pandorica which was designed to lock up "the most feared thing in the universe" was a pretty beefy device. Within this device was locked away, at the point of everything else going nova, enough residual info to recreate the universe.Thats a tall ask but there are a couple of things. Part of it has been created based on a scan of Amy who has lived next to the crack all her life and...sat in it if only briefly...a Time Lord who sees everything.So for me there's enough there to say that yep, the Tardis is exploding and wiping out all of time and space but, chuck in a bit more time and space into the residual explosion using the Pandorica and here you go.2) When this happens whats the only real hard core of reality left...the only singularity, the only pecularity, something from which the hole of creation can spiral out from :Amy---Rory's dead, the Doctor has gone and who the fuck knows what River Song is --but we'll find out.So on this basis things will be recreated from Amy's perspective for the things she knows...hence Rory being a real human now but knowing all about plastic Rory.And that works for me..Earth was still there for a short time because the Pandorica was still there and then when the Doctor merged the Pandorica with the Tardis everything was back.Was it a Deus Ex ..well yes it probably was...was it a reset...maybe...but it was all done so well.But in essence and this is where I was a little unsure myself..this is a melding of fairy tale and science fiction and it isn't always going to make sense ---you either accept that or give up because you'll probably get more annoyed as time goes on--and you'll be annoyed simultaneously at every point in history.I'd advise you to step back and enjoy it for what it is...entertaining fantasy not a lesson in quantum physics after all time travel doesn't exist, Warp Drive doesn't exist so who are we to say whats possible and what isn't.
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So - how exactly does that whole "wiggle my nose and things appear, disappear, dance the rhumba" thing work, on a scientific basis? Tell me about this bastion of high-concept science fiction works.
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Have you seen any of the stories I listed?
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Who cares. Did you even watch Lost? I bet you've only seen the first seson of Lost and then dropped out because it got confusing right?
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I saw two questions I would like to address. First, why was there nothing which happened when young Amy touched old Amy? Because it is not the exact same Amy. Why did River remember the Doctor? She was a Time Traveler with a strong will. How much so we might find out soon.
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We are reviewing the latest episode of Dr Who.If you've watched it then I'd value your opinion.If you haven't then your point in being here is ?.....
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End of.
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Give me a break. How many times did the haters come into Lost threads and trash it? I HAVE been talking about Dr. Who. It sucks.
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Yep and per my point above...although I don't quite know what River is yet, she after Amy was the only solid bit of reality left when the reset button was pressed.If you were of a religious bent and imagined "God" rebuilding everything at every point in time then he'd look at Amy and River as we saw them before the Pandorica hits the Tardis, and say " yep not too much to add back to these two versions"And of course that is the real genius of the "something borrowed, something blue " stunt. The Doctor knew that the most solid connection to what had gone before was the pre-wedding night AMY-hence the reason why the wedding was always going to be the out.That alone makes this episode something special.
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than the Lost finale. It was by far more satisfying. But talk about an apples and oranges thing. Comparing Lost with Doctor Who is like comparing The Matrix with Cosmos. Lost had a huge budget by comparison and didn't have to work within as many constraints. And the main character has so much history, while Lost had to introduce and entire universe in just a handful of seasons. Such different animals, both great. Both often misunderstood. But this finale simply WAS more satisfying. Besides, it was not the end of "the show" like the Lost finale was. Again, apples and artichokes.
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Again I don't see what Lost has to do with Dr. Who. Lost isn't sci fi. Dr. Who is coming back with the same shit as before. The Dr. Who finale isn't a finale of anything. It's just ending a part.
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I'm one of those people who thinks RTD gets a lot more bashing than he really deserves but his finales have always been somewhat of a letdown and Moffat definitely reversed that. While there were some plot niggles the central thrust of the episode made logical sense and the whole thing flowed brilliantly. I also like that rather than shove everything into one story (another genuine complaint that can be made against RTD)we've now got strands running into next series. Now bring on Egyptian goddesses on the Orient Express for christmas!
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http://tinyurl.com/2crrett
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Lost isn't SciFi? Time travel? Teleportation and immortality? Etc... and ad-nauseum?
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Wow dude, thanks for being so nice. Lost is more grounded in reality than Dr. Crap, I mean Who. It has time travel but, there's usually an explanation why. They don't just fly through space in a shitty box and don't explain everything.
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Top Ten.
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Also, it just saddens me when people slam lost, but then can't handle it when people bash something they like. Why don't YOU grow up asshole?
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Grounded in reality. Sure. Keep telling yourself that, you fuckknuckle.
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Sure thing dude. Keep on hating.
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That might have been a throwaway line and we won't see that adventure. Or it could be River is that goddess. She liked being Cleo, after all.
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Yes the Lost talkbacks weree definitely a trolling battleground full of idiots of every persuasion.Unfortunately for you the Dr Who talk-backs are not.This means you are standing out like a sore thumb and coming across as very immature. If you have an opinion on Who then we need a bit more than the childish crap you are throwing about at the moment.And this is not the place for Lost V Who debate ..I've seen all that shit before with Star Trek V Star Wars etc and its ridiculous. As gotilk says, they are two completely different animalsPeace fellow --- go and watch the Big Bang...honestly you'll either love it or hate it but it certainly won't be an hour of your life wasted and you may find something totally different than you expect.
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You are just jealous that Doctor Who didn't make up all kinds of mysteries not to be explained, but it made up mysteries to be explained. No "Doctor Who" songs about how impossible it is to explain everything in the finale.
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Lol, jealous of Dr. Who? No. Not really. Just sad for the fans of that show who keep telling themselves it's still good.
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*riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight* no, I don't want any swampland in Florida, even if it does come with free oil.
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That the Orient express thing is like one of Sherlock Holmes unpublished cases...we'll never see it..it sounds too much like Voyage of the Damned anyway.The rumours are that it is the Yeti's ..oh joy my earliest Doctor Who memory !!!! ( Although they are a bit embarrassing when I see clips now !!)
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I've seen the picture on the website of the designer for DW. However, I am wondering if it will be for Christmas... or for Season 6.
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my questions:1.Amy lost her parents because of the crack in her wall when she was a kid.so its at that point of time that her past must be restored and its then that he must remember her parents while the DR comes to seal the crack.at that precise point of time.so then why the fuck did the DR visited Amy of the future from the various past episodes, and told her that she should never forget what he told her as a kid?.In other words,how exactly the memories from the future Amy would help the past Amy? Nowhere in the finale,until the end of the original timeline and the death of the original Amy,is shown that Amy's memories serve a purpose of any kind.2.what exactly are those memories? that she had parents? well geez everyone comes from 2 parents. thats not memory,its common knowledge.did she have memories OF her parents? well when and how did she regain them,since until the very end when she dies in the original timeline,she was totally clueless about her parents? is the memory that she really had parents and she was not an orphan.well again she discovers that in the end when the timeline totally collapses,the DR reveals that to her.But nowhere in his past visits tells to her that she is not an orphan,not even when she was kid.so he says to here during his time visits,to remember something that she is going to learn just before he dies?3.Amy has the ability to retain her memories in all the alternate timelines.Rory has the same ability.River Song has the same ability.lets bypass this mystery of how they got such an ability.The Amy of the rebooted timeline retains the memories from the original timeline.ok we accept it.But the thing is that rebooted Amy does not only have the memories of the past original Amy (the 11th hour episode where she meets the DR as a kid etc) but she also has the memories of the future Amy from the original timeline.In other words,in the original timeline Amy leaves the night before her wedding with the DR and finally she dies without returning back for her wedding,but in the rebooted timeline she does not meet the DR in that night,she wakes up in her wedding day and then she regains the memories from her alternate self of the future.how exactly did this happen since in the original timeline she never returns back to her home for the wedding night? there is no time-circle in the original timeline,Amy leaves with the DR and she dies.so in the new timeline how can she have the memories of her future self,if she has never returned to home thus closing the time-circle and keeping the memories the whole time?Take BFTF as an example.Marty one night flies to the future,he see his parents but then he dies in the future before he time-travels back to his past.Then his timeline is replaced with a new timeline where the initial time-travel in the future in that night never occured.In the altered time-line he wakes up the following morning of that night but he remembers that he did a time-travel to the future.ok thats acceptable since he did do a time-travel the night before in the original timeline.BUT he also has memories of what happened in that time-travel.his parents in the future and him dying in the future.HOW THE FUCK Amy/Marty got the memories of his future selves since he never returned to his past in the original time-line thus closing the circle of his time-travel thus having the future memories in his past self? well?
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i dont remember anywhere in the 2part finale that Amy knew clearly that Rory was a plastic doll.hm.
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Hope you read my post above and that helps.If it doesn't then perhaps this will help :"OMG you are so right...its rubbish it doesn't make sense..anybody with a 3 year degree in quantum physics, philosphy, time travel ( which doesn't exist), astro-physics, and advanced math would be able to drive a truck through the whole shitty logic of the piece.Its all garbage--we should get a petition together to make sure its never shown again."or alternatively:"Its fantasy, Dr Who's science has always been a bit shonky. It does make a certain amount of sense if combined with the fairy tale logic ---see my post to Hornorsilk above re the genius that is the Wedding Day logic.Relax and enjoy the brilliant story."
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http://tinyurl.com/295xjan That's the design people are talking about.
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You know I am now getting concerned that you are just being a pedant.There might have been a clue for Amy when Rory's hand pops open and he shoots her...also in his battles with the Dalek.You are so busy picking holes that you're not absorbing the whole goofy goodness.Really ...get a grip.
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It's Doctor Who, not the fucking Godfather!!!! As for plotholes, try watching Time Flight. Doc Who by it's very nature will not and cannot make sense. But who fives a shit - I love it!!!
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I've never fived a shit in my life - I don't even know what that means LIL. Should of course said "Who GIVES a shit"
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then we agree.DR from the perspective you just described is a kiddie show with no connection at all to the scifi genre.no problem with that then,since DR was always considered that: a kiddie show.and following that perspective a bit further,then TF2 should be criticized lightly because it is also a kiddie movie,its made to sell toys like DR after all.no problem with that at all.enjoy your kiddie show.i will stick to something more serious,thought provoking and more scifi which treats the audience more as adults and not kids.something like Star Trek or Donnie Darko.
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Aye up big guy...lets hope that you aren't this happy in a few hours time.C'mon you England.
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Hilarious. I just had to watch this after the Metro reviewer took offence to the line "Usually you have to fly a plane into a building to be surrounded by this many virgins" I knew immediately that this was my kind of show. And The IT Crowd is back as well. Happy Days indeed! Oh yeah, and DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES!! :)
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Thats cool my man...I like those films and programmes too.But Dr Who is something special for me..Its been there forever and as, described in the latest Telegraph review, from an adult perspective it can be a bit of a curates egg. But when its good it really is very very good.So for me there is sometimes a bit too much silliness but the show is still eminently watchable and for the past month has probably been the highlight of the week.And I am old, nearly as old as the Doctor, but I still love this show for what it is.I think you come to terms with what it is or you walk...have fun on your travels.
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Fuck off you obvious Troll
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Not as great as last week's, and I would have liked it to have been a bit more of a struggle for the Doc to escape the Pandorica, but The Moff still kicked the shit out of RTD and his sloppy finales. Can't wait for Christmas now.
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i agree.but this episode was not good.thats where we disagree.
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POP! In comes the effete Q! Whee! He dresses like Napoleon! Pop! By his magic powers he pops the bridge crew to a mystical planet, where they are attacked by pig people! Ptoo!Pitoo! POP! he magics them back to the Enterprise, where they lost no time at all. But Ryker gets the magic power! He grows up a little boy! He turns a robot into a person! He gets a prostitute for a Klingon!
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That wedding scene will be something that I replay over and over again...its just got everything.Loved itI do seem to remember in the hazy past reading a Superman Comic with a similar concept. That Superman hadn't ever existed except in the mind of a small boy who effectively wished him back into existence. Can't remember much more about it though.
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Yes they are chalk and cheese, but one thing Lost did brilliantly was getting the most out of the big emotional moments. While watching the Doctor Who finale last night I did wish they'd at least tried to milk the big moments like Rory The Robot waiting 2000 years for Amy or the Doctor flying into the sun/Tardis to die. It was done well enough, but I should have been fucking sobbing my eyes out like a big girl!
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You absolute cretin. If you hate this show, fine. But it's not purely for kids. That's an insulting comment to everyone who worked hard on making sure the Vincent episode delved into his bi-polar nature and didn't shy away from showing how he couldn't be saved even with a glimmer of hope. People like you and Stephen Fry piss me off, because you clearly don't get it, but want to act hip and cool by bashing a show. Well, you're not hip and you're not cool. Bow ties are cool. You're just a guy crapping on a TV show and wasting parts of your life trying to convert other people to your concepts. And there's a name for people like you. Richard Dawkings. So go fuck yourself on someone else's watch.
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So for me where this episode is really good:1) Matt Smith and Karen Gillan act their socks off.2) The pace of the things is tremendous3) The time travel fixing cheekiness at the beggining just about works but you have to approach it with a sense of humour. This switch from the doom-laden tone of last episode to a larky fix was somewhat wobbly.4) The whole aspect of the something borrowed something blue and building out of creation from pre-wedding night Amy was actually pretty high brown and very cleverly done.When I saw the Doctor hadn't instigated his trip back in time I was for a moment disappointed then you saw the bit in the Forest of Angels where he clicked as to what he was going to do (and of course the fact that we'd already seen this several episodes ago was special) and then his chat with little Amy that led to the perfect Wedding Day scenario.Just so much to enjoy for me
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I get what you are saying...whilst I think the wedding scene is fab I do think it could be ramped up a little more---I was a bit teary though.But thats us Brits and our understatement for you.Stiff upper lip and all that.
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The Tenth Planet, Tomb of The Cybermen, The Invasion, Terror of The Autons, The Time Warrior, The Ribos Operation, The 5 Doctors, Earthshock, Resurrection of The Daleks, Dalek, Girl in The Fireplace, Turn Left and a shitload more. LOL OK when it's bad it's fucking awful but when it's good it's fucking orgasmically good!!! And even the worst Who ever is not as bad as THAT FUCKING LOST FINALE!!! There still isn't a scale of bullshitness big enough to encapsulate my feelings towards that 2 gour bag of pus. And to think I got up at 6 in the morning to watch that rancid shit. I'd happily have had to get up that early for The Big Bang!!
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Like when Song kills the Dalek to avenge the death of the DR and immediately she finds out that he is alive? a great emotional scene which is followed by a calm scene thus negating the emotion of the first scene?is this considered good story telling?
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Yes, because such things happen in life. People are not omniscient.
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Stop fuckin watching it then!! And Lost has the Cheapest cop-out ending ever. And I fucking loved Lost right up until that dog turd was broadcast. The Shield, The Wire, Christ even The fucking Sopranos bizarre end was better than that. If you don't like a season finale of Doc Who at least you've only invested 13 weeks of your time. 6 fucking years to end up with Jack and a Dug. Seriously!!! Fuck me rigid!! WORST EPISODE (of anything) EVER!!!! Jesus - I'd rather sit through a marathon session of X Factor and Britain's got Talent than ever have to sit through that fucking finale again. Yes it was that fucking bad!!! Lost Finale makes Spock's Brain look like an Emmy award winner!!! (RANT OVER LOL)
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JJ might make Star Trek II be Star Trek II: The Wrath of Brain.
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There's that time that the Amazing Q shows up and makes all the Enterprise people dress up in leggings and prance around like Robin Hood! Was there a seamstress in the Q continuum, or did 6 sets of ballerina tights disappear off a shelf at a Wall-Mart in Muncy? That science is so fuzzy for me...
And then, Q, that clothes horse, shows up in his little dress. He says that he has no control over the situation, because this is a universe where Robin Hood isn't a fairy tale, and Robin hood is short and bald. So he's gotta save some girl because they'll really kill her! There's not a college grad on the planet that didn't recognize this as remarkable science fiction programming. -
"They don't just fly through space in a shitty box and don't explain everything." OK Doc who doesn't explain everything but Lost DIDN;T EXPLAIN ANYTHING!!! Fuck Off!!
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I gotta agree that if River really did think the Doctor had just died, they should have milked that shit a bit more. I can't remember the exact context of that moment though - definitely gonna have to watch last night's ep again to get my head around all that time travel. I do think sometimes Doctor Who suffers a little from the fast pacing, as it doesn't give them enough time to dwell on certain things. This season was still awesome though.
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thats why we watch series and films.And its not the first time that Moffat shows an inability to combine smoothly his emotional scenes with the scifi/action scenes of his story.In the episode with the reptilians,the death of Rory seemed really out of place changing in a single moment the whole mood that had been established throughout the episode.Its like in ST2,Kirk cries about his fallen friend Spock in the engineering room,but suddenly Spock wakes up and tells him "its ok i am fine,my Vulcan regenerative powers saved my.i am sorry you didnt know that we posses such an ability,but its ok such is life,noone is omniscient.now lets go and save the universe."and i ask.is this good storytelling? is this how you must combine your scenes in a story?
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Fuck sake. The River scene isn't about the Doctor. She probably knows deep down he'll be okay. It's about us finding out how fucking hardcore River is. The Doctor scares Daleks because he's defeated them so many times, but River makes one beg for mercy. Three times. And, from what we can figure, is human. Utterly human. So she has to have done some truly terrible things, to been without mercy, to have existed in a world without morals, to have been able to make a machine designed to kill and only kill beg for mercy. Once again, your lack of understanding of this show means we have to put up with your nonsensical posts.
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a young girl in her bedroom while she is asleep. bravura stuff.
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Yes, it is. It's called mood whiplash. The effect is to surprise the viewer, instead of telegraphing things with ominous music.
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I shouldn't have compared the LOST and WHO finales some comments back. Didn't realize it would summon a troll like RPLocke. Apologies.
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Donnie Darko had to have tangent universes and shit, and none of it was properly explained WITHIN the movie itself. "Here, read this book, now you have to die." "...k?"
It's fucking time travel, you daft bitches! I'm not even British and I used the word daft. That's how annoyed I am that people think ANYTHING with time travel, Doctor Who, LOST, Back to the Future, fucking Angry Beavers, makes sense.
It's science fiction not science fact.
Let me say it even simpler for dumb ass Killik: you're all fucking worried about how Amy could remember shit. How could there be cracks in the universe that erase time? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
Basically, all this episode did was use a time travel plot element I'm surprised we don't see more. Whatever happened, happened. It can be changed, but it always happened, and thus will be remembered someway somehow.
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harkness. unless she killed him. which would explain why we have never seen him him again.
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so you do agree that my ST2 example is considered good story telling.i hope JJ is reading this,and will put it in his next ST movie.yep.
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I think yuu could be onto something there - "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?" "Same thing we do every night Pinky - TRY TO TAKE OVER THE MULTIVERSE" LOL
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I think it is possible she comes from a world which was attacked by the Daleks, and maybe destroyed save for a few. River was one of the survivors, learned to be tough and cruel in the environment, and found a way to make the Daleks feel her pain -- opening them up and torturing the creature inside. And she did it a great deal. There has to be a reason why the Daleks know her. Obviously, if she were the Rani, she could have done all that during the Time War, experimenting on them...
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Jack is too RTD. River is more complex.
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HE WAS BRUSHING HIS TEETH WHEN ON THE PHONE TO AMY.
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right now i am crying from laughs,when i see fanboys who praise a mediocre,at its best, episode as a masterpiece of maybe the whole rebooted series while ignoring its numerous flaws,flaws which would have been reasons enough to trash the episode if it was not for the name of Moffat or the name of Doctor Who at all.thats the reality.
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If Rory is still a robot, then Rory-Prime (I'm struggling for nicknames here) got fucked over and was never born. If Rory is the original human Rory, then the robot - who waited 2000 fucking years - never existed. Or if he did, he at least never got to be with Amy. Basically, one of the Rorys got fucked over.
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Yeah, I do. I enjoyed that film. I enjoyed it as much as I'm growing to detest you for your constant trolling. But in a mood whiplash, I'm now crying with laughter at you acting like you've 'won' this talkback. While I don't have a thriving social life, and least I'm working on scripts while posting. I get the distinct impression you're reloading every five seconds.
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...you resort to just claiming you know better now? Go find a bridge to live under.
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but then his existence vanishes in the reptilians episode.then the Alliance comes and uses Amy's memories to reconstruct Rory as a plastic.ofc noone explains to us how exactly they acquired Amy's memories since she had already lost them when Rory vanished and reacquired them AFTER she meets plastic Rory in the roman times.oh noes,one more plothole there.fuck me rigid.
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..... that's how I have spent the first few glorious hours of what is to be a baking hot Sunday here in old Blighty...... And not even a £30 parking fine at Gatwick Airport from a fat poxy Traffic Warden could do much to dent my spirits after the last WHO episode. No review here, it's all been said in the previous posts. However, I would like to say the following: To all of those TBers who have had the balls to share their theories with everyone over the last 13 weeks, THANK YOU! You have made this forum an entertaining place to be! DanOwen, your reviews have been excellent and I have enjoyed reading them each week! Thank you for taking the time to share them with us! More next year! To all of the trolls that frequent this forum- you are messing with a passionate subject that holds a special place in many hearts; you'relcome to try and piss a few of us off next season. But, evidence just what happens when a community comes together and crushes you, then re-think your strategies. V'Shael, 2Legged, Richard Gere, Frozen01, Gotilk, Seph J and HORNORSILK (YES- YOU!!!!!) It has been a pleasure to talk with you all over the last few weeks, and I look forward to more next season, provided Harry Knowles doesn't really die and the site isn't shut down as a tribute! To all others, STAY SAFE, take care of yourselves and take comfort in the fact we have THE GRAND MOFF spearheading WHO in 2011! And by the way, Fez's ARE cool!! Just like that!!
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The memories were indeed explained. And what people are not getting -- Auton Rory WAS THE SAME Rory as human Rory. It had Rory's soul in it. The same soul, but different bodies.
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Spock not being dead while Kirk is crying in front of him.and then he wakes up and he tells Kirk that he is fine,Kirk says its cool and then they go with their business? you enjoyed that? cool.i should become a director then.@Jayemel: and?
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Jun 27, 2010 5:00:14 AM CDT
in the episode where tennant burned the dead corpse of the maste
by emeraldboy
on a funeral pyre, on the ground you saw a ring with a female picking it and something that looked like the book river had since season 4. the bbc sent youtube a legal letter demanding that they take down and remove all the tennant dr who clips which people had posted.
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He had a mind transplant, so it was placed into the Auton body. The Doctor wasn't sure until he tested Rory, but found out it was the real one somehow put into the Auton body. And even the Prisoner did mind-swaps, so it has classic creds to do something like that.
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could you tell me what was the explanation? i am all ears.
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Why wait for Christmas?
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Grow up....... get laid. I just have.... Have you any idea just how difficult it is to keep a sheep tied to the floor?
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Amy's brain is special, being next to the crack. Nothing is entirely forgotten (Robin of Sherwood, folks). Amy still had Rory in her head, buried deep in it, but because of her connection to him, destined for marriage, it left enough of an implant for the Dalek psychic reading to pick him up and allow the Nestene to recreate him. However, because he was real, and not just a storybook character, he was also able to be brought back through the crack, and when the Nestene remade him, gave his soul the chance to do so. He came, it's him. The same Rory. The same soul. New body. It has to do with the theme of "nothing is forgotten" combined with Amy's brain.
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I said something like that last week (regarding Rory).. I just wasn't as indepth or put together.. Infact I think it was something like "Rory is alive..." ;) Oh my head aches from this wicked ale!!!
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I have never watched them. Honest. I can't really abide things with annoying teenagers in it. Killik- how about you? Glee or High School Musical your cup of tea?
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are talking right? admit it,this is it.ouf... anyway guys one last word before i go for bed.when there is a story which is so confusing that the audience has misunderstood or not fully understood what they just saw.when that story has so many unexplained or contradicted details which forces the audience to come out with their own different theories which are mostly based in unfounded,out from thin air informations and not in solid facts displayed in the story,then there must be something really wrong with that story itself.you can not have smoke without fire kiddies.
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Each element was in it if you watched and had half-a brain. Just called trying together the clues.
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... is getting it's own spinoff show.Its called "Fuck you, Killik..." I for one will be tuning into this masterful piece of dramatic TV....
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...Don't trolls sleep in caves? Enjoy....
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i hate musicals.yeah i know,its called human nature.being stupid for labeling someone whom you dont even know irl,simply because he disagrees with you.its ok,nobody is perfect.its the life as Hornorsilk says.
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My arthritis often gives me typos like that.. alas
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You have missed some good Who-universe stories, including one Doctor story, soon two.
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that also explains why the talkbackers give their own explanations for what really happened in this episode,with every explanation being different from each other.it also explains why there people who think that Rory was plastic the whole time from the start.i guess these people dont even have half a brain.tough.
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Well,
I have always read these TB's but not until the last few eps have i dived in and tested the water and i can only echo Sam Jacksons Merkin 100%
Well done all its been a pleasure and lets do it all again sometime soon!
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Never thought of watching it...something about a super compuer called Mr Smith (I still have Matrix 2&3 nightmares, my friend.. ;)
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Looking forward to the Xmas special and 2011 already!!! I just hope that Xmas DOES bring The Orient Express in SPAAACE!!!! That sounds like a blast!!! However, they probably ALL did it.....hahahaha
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Yep, or they were not paying attention -- the lines were going quick, but they were there. You will get this with most stories -- people will miss something, even if it is explained.
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Jun 27, 2010 5:39:50 AM CDT
Oh, and KilliK - if this was too hard for you to figure out
by hornorsilk
Don't dare read the novels of Gene Wolfe. You won't understand them at all. His stories are multi-layered with clues which he only gives once because he thinks his audience is smart. People who don't get it read one story and not realizing the story they are getting is the true one, but corrupted by the narrator. You are to take the clues to figure out what really happened. SM follows that line of reasoning, though he gives more out to the audience because it's a family show.
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Thanks for the shout back and ditto to you my friend.HornorSilk--I have ripped on you (hopefully not too meanspitedly) but can I say that your knowledge of Who and your ability to combine an appreciation of New and Old Who is a real example to people like Killik who just don't get it. Also your calmness and politeness in the face of adversity. Also agree totally with your interpretation of the Rory scenario.Killik...what you don't seem to get is that people came up with their own explanations of things on the facts given and some of this was right and some differed from what the Moff finally delivered but he delivered something just as good as peoples theories -- a thing that many shows fail to do (mentioning no names) and something that pleasantly surprised me--- although in retrospect I shouldn't have been surprised given his track record.
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Well, the computer did turn bad at one point ... well, was always bad but waiting for the right moment to make its move. Nonetheless, you should see a few of them -- at least the episodes with the Doctor in them if for no other reason, they might as well be called Doctor Who: The Sarah Jane Adventures.
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Of course thats where your name came from----years since I've read his stuff--may have to revisit it.
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Didn't Wolfe have a hand in making the machie that cuts pringles? Or am I thinking of someone completely different?
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It's been my pleasure.... roll on next season.
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Thanks. Well, I try to deal with the stories and discuss them, and I am willing to engage in speculation because well, it's part of the fun (even though I've been wrong, I've often been right -- I surprised people when I caught on with Jack being the Face of Boe). I'm a Doctor Who fan for life -- ever since I saw Creature From the Pit around 1983. First I enjoyed it because it was so bad and easily laughed at, then I saw other stories which transcended the camp of the Williams era, and I saw Doctor Who for what it was all worth. I do prefer the old to the new, but I find both to be good, and some of new among the best of the whole series (my favorites of new who include Unquiet Dead, Dalek, Empty Child, School Reunion, Human Nature, Impossible Planet, and Journey's End). Every Doctor will have good and bad stories, but I do know, the people writing new who are fans, and so fan speculation is justified. I think Matt's second season has potential to be classic.
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Yes, Wolfe did. He was an engineer, and so his sci-fi is thought out based upon what he thinks is possible from his own scientific know-how. But it is very much so far in the future, it also appears very magic like to us.
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And yes, this is a nick based upon Gene Wolfe, and The Book of the Short Sun, where the identity of a character is rather... interesting.
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Never really got into him- my own fault as I have probably missed out on something special. A few years ago a friend of mine (who is deeply religeous where I am a complete agnostic) tried to introduce me to his works, but I balked as Wolfes works were supposed to be completed rooted in Catholicism. Never did give them a try- a bit narrow minded of me. (Erm, this is not a religeous conversation, as I respect people of all faiths... I just happen to have my own thoughts. As a great lyricist said " I have my own moral compass to steer by..") I echo 2Legged sentiments; your knowledge of WHO is first rate- I have been a fan since the Tom Baker era(too young for anything before) and I have enjoyed your theories...
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Yes, Gene Wolfe is Catholic, and Catholicism influences his thought and stories, but it does so in a way more like Tolkien than like Lewis, if you get the drift. Indeed, the elements, while spotted, can often seen as critical of religion more than its favor, depending on how you interpret it. The friend of mine who introduced me to Wolfe is agnostic, while I am Catholic (and actually, well, a scholar in religion). Wolfe is one of his favorite writers. Despite his Catholicism, the stories tend to be first rate. Now, not all are sci-fi. His Latro is a character who loses his memory every day, has to write his own adventures in a diary to remember who he is and what is happening, but yet someone who can see the gods of the ancient world and talk to them. Neil Gaiman is always given the newest Wolfe novel far in advance to read --they are friends and Neil always remains impressed.
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Well - one of the biggest gripes seems to be that Amy, Rory and River all remember things that they shouldn't etc. Even though in Amy's case this is explained as residue from living next to a crack in time for so long and River Song is still a major enigma on the show that hardly anything is known about her. However, as was also mentioned was that they had survived the purge that took Amelia and the many, many exhibits because, and I'm paraphrasing, they were a product of both timelines and had dual memories. This makes sense in the whole 'time is not linear' ethos that Doctor Who has. There are only plot holes in The Big Bang when you think of things as a straight piece of string and not as a balled up and knotted piece of string. Rory would remember being an Auton as for 2000 years outside of time he was an Auton - as to why it was still Rory - well that's explained in that Amy's memories were so strong because of her close proximity to the crack in time.Amy and Amelia could touch because they were from different timelines.The Tardis was exploding at all points in time so the explosion that looked like the sun was not there at any one time but all points. Earth survived because the Tardis is a time machine and in such the time loop it used to try to save River Song and it's close proximity to Earth meant that it was spared a while longer - almost two thousand years (which even in linear time is a tiny amount of time).The Pandorica was designed to hold a prisoner that regenerates so they would have created a prison that would not allow that to happen - as it could lead to escape.It's a pain in the arse that people attribute their own lazy thinking to lazy writing. I thought this was a satisfying, funny, worrying and excelllent finale to a series - one that left an enormous amount of potential for the next series. And while things did bother me a little in that it felt a little like the Earth should have been fucked up in Amy's wedding timeline because of all the alien invasions that the Doctor hadn't managed to stop (as in Turn Left) it was a passing niggle that suddenly remembered that the show has existed since 1963 and to try and take in all continuity would lead to madness.
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As we had the finale for one season - Lost was the final one and comparisons don't hold water.But it's still a bit self defeating to 'hijack' non related talkbacks because you're pissed off that it happened about something you liked.
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Well, I've been a fanboy too long. Even went to four conventions in the early 90s -- my last convention was Visions 93, which celebrated the 30th anniversary of the show. Once I went to it, I knew no convention could compare and stopped going (I mean, it even had Colin and Peter doing a Jon and Pat comedy routine). Doctor Who has been, and will always be, my #1 series. It is not that it is always the best show on tv in a given year, but it is to me, the best overall series. Of course, it's not my life -- in case people thought I was like that -- but it certainly has a key role in my entertainment portion of life.
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OR SOMETHING JUST AFTER HE REMEMBERS THE DOCTOR AT THE WEDDING.....BUT I CANT MAKE IT OUT.ITS AS AMY JUMPS OVER THER TABLE. ANY HELP?
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The difference between Turn Left and in this one, however, is this earth would have been one entirely without the Doctor, not partially with the Doctor. His presence on earth helps attract attention.
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That's pretty much how I reconciled it in my head. As I say it was a passing niggle but not one that spoiled anything for me :)
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If there is one thing that you have accomplished during these threads, it is that I will give Wolfes works a try. It's not as if Tolkien was exactly subtle in his religeous references, and I am a member of the Tolkien Society and LOTR community. Well done, sir.
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Having been turned off by RTD's (Sounds like an STD) use of deus ex machina's and his disregard for the audience's intelligence, I have really enjoyed this season.
Now, I feel some people are jumping to conclusions, I don't see anything wrong with the Doctor freeing himself via Rory, if you think about it, it's already happened, he exists outside of linear time.
The Pandorica, well this obviously has yet to be explained... and seeing as we didn't see the Dalek die, it only begged for mercy, River Song could have explained or told the Dalek something, this could explain why the Pandorica could recreate life, we just havent seen that part of the story yet and judging by how SM has tied this story into previous episodes, there are some story threads set up for next season...
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I meant that the Dalek could have been told that it was important for the Pandorica to have certain "features" and it "passed" this info on or acted on it with River Song's help.
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Oh, come on!!!! Let's finish this fucking thought pattern once and for all!!!
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Nice try, but I saw every episode of Lost and really enjoyed it, until they blew the hatch in the last 10 minutes of the final episode.
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was explained by the doctor - that was the TARDIS emergency protocols sealing her in the control room physically, as well as in a time loop, to keep her safe from the explosion.
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...prison ever constructed by the way? Can someone explain it to me please?
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It could apply to many shows. Lazy thinking for lazy writing.
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Yeah that irked me - one blast of sonic screwdriver and the Pandorica opened. After all the setup of it being impossible to get into last ep.
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Dan, V'Shael, 2Legged, Sam Jackson's Wig, Frozen01, Gotilk, Seph J, Spud, Emeraldboy and all the other regular Whobackers... it's been a pleasure and you better fucking be around for the Xmas special Whoback or i'll beat you to death with a toblerone.
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As much as I enjoyed watching "lost" you are right.... there are some shows that just defy time and no pun intended, Doctor Who is one of them. Some shows leave themselves unable to continue, where Doctor Who is able to continually re-invent itself. As Moff said, it has all of time and space as its playground.
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If RTd had written The Big Bang everyone would have slated it, it was pure hokum from start to finish. there was more techonbabble than Brannon Braga wrote in all his star trek ep's and it had the scope of lord of the rings but the budget of casualty! I've seen more money spent of CBBC kids programmes at 4pm!
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...yeah there is that, but there's also the fact that the Doctor had to have escaped somehow, to give Rory the screwdriver to help him escape. The epitome of lazy writing.
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the doctor usually can't travel along his own time stream due to the catastrophic effect it could have on the universe. however, in this episode, there was no universe any more.
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Apparently Moffat has asked RTD to write an ep for series 6,he also asked him to write one for series 5 but he declined. I'd persoannly like to see him come back as moffat just doesnt write good character moments. Be interesting to see what he does with the eleventh doctor on the sarah jane adventures.
THE ELEVENTH HOUR 9/10
THE BEAST BELOW 6/10
VICTORY OF THE DALEKS 7.5/10
TIME OF THE ANGELS 9/10
FLESH AND STONE 8/10
VAMPIRES IN VENICE 7/10
AMY'S CHOICE 6.5/10
THE HUNGRY EARTH 6/10
COLD PLANET 8/10
VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR 8/10
THE LODGER 7.5/10
THE PANDORICA OPENS 8/10
THE BIG BANG 6.5/10
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I already have my review of the Xmas special typed out and ready to beat Dan to the punch... mind you, it has FUCK ALL to do with Doctor Who, and is more a review of last seasons "Celebrity Masterchef..." But WHO cares!!!! Here's to the Toblerone!!!! It's been a pleasure, my friend!!!
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...to hold the Doctor so he can't end the universe. So why bother with the regeneration field thingy? Why not let him die in there? If he regenerates he'll still be in the bloody prison, if he doesn't, they've won. Did they sink too much cash into the Regeneration field the lock dept had to push out a flawed product? Why, if you have the ability to create the wonder cube have you not killed the Doctor a hundred times over in previous encounters? The more you think about this episode, it makes no sense whatsoever. Nicely made episode though, great drama, but it really did no better than RTD in the magic button solves everything dept. Now it's a magic box.
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Yeah it was all a bit convienient using that kind of Bill and Ted time travel paradox. It was the sort of Get Out Of Jail Free shit that RTD pulled to resolve every cliffhanger episode.
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A desperate mid-regeneration dying time lord clinging to life can be a very difficult thing to contain - see the Fox movie.(if you're bound and determined to dislike its universe, you can find a way - it is, after all, just a fairy tale, not reality ... but if you go into your nitpicking with an attitude of "I want to have fun", then the mythology can give you lots of little easter eggs)
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The Pandorica was built to hold the Doctor in stasis because ?:Well how about as an e.g. that if the Doctor were to die and regenerate in there, the regeneration energies that are unleashed could have got him out. I am sure if somebody had said that then people would have bought it as an explanation. But why the hell do they have to cover every nitty gritty detail -it would become exposition central.The Doctor getting himself out of the Pandorica is again a perplexing conundrum and one that bothered me. However he is a Timelord who understands all of space and time and at some stage the Pandorica was going to cease to exist along with everything else...so there was a break down in space and time and the Doctor exploited it. It doesn't make sense but then he's the Time Lord not us !!!
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"It was the sort of Get Out Of Jail Free shit that RTD pulled to resolve every cliffhanger episode."Sorry mate. You can't compare this to anything RTD did. I have never seen anything in recent WHO get so many people worked up and discussing plot lines as this crack in time arc. That it only has a small part to play in an even bigger plot is a sheer work of brilliance; one that RTD could not come up with in his wildest dreams. If you remember, he continued the BAD WOLF thread all the way through until the end of season 4- lazy plotting..... Oh fuck! I have drawn myself into a Moff vs RTD conversation! Somebody HEEEELLLPPP!!!!!
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Let's face it... we all knew the Doctor was going to get out of the Pandorica. You are right- does all of the nitty gritty detail even fucking matter? I said last week that the conclusion would not appease everyone, no matter how well it was handled, or how much exposition weas involved. Fuck me , if I was right!
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... need more alcohol......were is Frozen? She owes me a drink.....
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Sontaran : Here we are my friend, a co-alition of the 3 most feared forces in the universe ready to invade this Earth.Cyberman - Hmmm---Most Feared----why does that ring a bell ?DALEK -- DO NOT WASTE TIME ---WE MUST EXTERMINATE ALL EARTHLINGSSontaran--They are ripe and ready for the plucking....we will attack. !!!!Cyberman:- Sensors do pick up a slight quantum irregularity in the continent of Europe.DALEK : EXTERMINATE ALL IRREGULARITIES !!!!!Sontaran: Visual established of a social gathering which appears to generating causal irregularitiesCyberman: Ooh. That Ginger bird is a bit of all right. Too tall for you though Sontaran.DALEK : HAR HAR HAR HARSontaran : Fuck off with your short jokes - rust bucket. Now whats this gibberish she's spouting and borrowed and blue and....Cyberman : WHOAH !!!!!DALEK : WHAT THE FUCK !!!Sontaran : Retreat !!!!Cyberman: Retreat !!!!DALEK: RETREAT !!!!
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Give it a try - surprsingly good. The Teenagers aren't evel that annoying :) It definitely is Who-lite but some episodes are definitely as good as Who - Especially the Trickster eps which use Time Travel very effectively
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In the previous episode Amy asked the Doctor if he could open it and he said (paraphrasing) 'Oh yeah easily, I just prefer to know what's inside first'
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Don't get me wrong, I love the Moff and I really enjoyed the finale. I guess all I'm saying is that I would have preferred there to have been a bit more of a struggle getting the Doctor out of the Pandorica after the way it was hyped up the week before as the ultimate prison or whatever. I compared it to RTD as he did a similar thing in the season 3 finale episodes: stranded the characters at the end of time without a hope in "Utopia", then immediately solved the problem in the next episode with very little struggle or conflict in the first few seconds. I think RTD might have done similar things in other finales, but my memory is a little hazy and haven't seen them since they were on TV. I know it would have been lame for the Doctor to be stuck in the Pandorica for too long, but I found it all a bit too quick and easy. But, like I said, enjoyed the episode - but it doesn't mean it was without its flaws. Moffat had a lot of plot threads to tie up, so I would have been very amazed if this was an absolutely perfect finale.
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Ah! Good spot dude, I didn't remember that.
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Stop it now! It's too fucking funny! It would be like Amy Pond fucking a bag of King Edwards!!!! hahahahahahaha!
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... logically that makes the screwdriver bit make sense, but dramatically I would have preferred there to have been more of a struggle saving the Doctor.
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The episode was complex enough (timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff) without having the Doc stuck for too long inside the Pandorica. Cushing got there just before I did with the quote (having the benefit of watching it whilst typing); I think that the Doc knew where he was going and knew how to get out... and it was told the best way it could be. What I do love is the fact that not everything is completed- even my wife (who is not a big WHO fan, but likes the show) said that it was a work of brilliance that things are to be continued next season...RTD could never have been that subtle.
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Well, that wasn't exactly going out on a limb or anything. As we can see from above, people like to nitpick absolutely everything, and even when they are presented with a pretty reasonable solution, they will continue to because "well, they didn't say that point-blank on the show, so now you're making stuff up" or some BS like that.
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Why do I owe you a drink again? *rubs eyes*
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...that when the Pandorica opened, Amy Pond would be sitting there? I LOVED IT! To say that I had a huge shit eating grin on my face is an understatement.
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WTF moments, for sure. That one was gold, really set it up well.
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Because it's early in the morning in Chicago, and I could say that John Barrowman was the pope, and you'd believe me....
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Yep, exactly like I said, it would have been difficult to have the Doc inside the Pandorica for too long. I still feel the cliffhanger could have been resolved in a more satisfying way, but it's just a minor quibble. Compared to a RTD finale this was Shakespeare.
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And he'd make a damn fine pope, by the way.
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"Compared to a RTD finale this was Shakespeare." With you all the way there... Only 30 minutes until kick off and I'm STILL not pissed enough!!! FROZEN! Where is my Manhattan?????
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That was a great episode and a fantastic end to the season. It wasn't perfect but very enjoyable. I loved that we saw a Time Lord use time to sort out some problems, it's something we rarely see the Doctor do. This new reign of Who has had some shaky moments but overall I think it has been excellent.
I would like to point out one thing to those who continue to shake an angry fist at RTD and proclaim Moffat is a god. If RTD had ended a season like this he would have used a more sci-fi approach and been blasted with coming up with a Deus ex machina ending. Moffat does exactly the same thing but he uses magic instead, after all he has admitted to making Who more like a fairy tale.
Being brought back into existence by a 'special girl' remembering him is a just a spell being broken by magic solution. RTD had Rose absorb the energy of the TARDIS and was blasted for it. Moffat's done similar things throughout this season, the Dreamlord for example was basically the Doctor's dark side coming out after a bad trip on a space seed; absurd really. There's no massive difference between how RTD solved insolvable scenarios and how Moffat does it, they just use different mechanics. I think those who disliked RTD and championed Moffat have simply picked a side and are sticking to it despite this which is sad really.
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When the Doctor first appeared with the Fez & the mop he says "It's easy to open from the outside". The Pandorica was easy to get into but almost fucking impossible to get out of. Bit like a prison really - oh yeah wasn't that the point!!!!
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I am swimming across the atlantic with my lawn mower strapped to my arse as I type... How's that for a subserviant English Gent... ;) And how could I deny the request of such a fine American Lady??????
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The Doctor couldn't open it in the first episode. River said it was opening up from the inside, someone or something was breaking through all the security.
Then in the second episode it opened up with one blast of the scredriver and the Doctor made a statement which totally contradicted what was said previously.
Basically it was a problem so they just changed the rules and decided to bypass it quickly and hope no-one would notice. My main quibble with this season is there's too may inconsitencies/contradictions which are simply bypassed quickly without any explanation. -
Wasn't that the whole point?? The Moff knows his time travel. He even explained his thought process in Doc Who Confidential. ALL HAIL THE HYPNOMOFF!!
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SJA- always thought that it was for kids, so never ever gave it a shot. The only kids show I really watch is Spongebob Squarepants, and sometimes I wonder....
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I don't think that's entirely fair. I prefer the Moffat era to RTD's for a lot of different reasons... the episodes look better (sets, costuming, richness of detail), the writing is more complicated and the episodes less self-contained, they tackled more adult concepts such as depression, it is a bit darker, much more quotable with really great one-liners, no goofy pop-track-laden playlists, no CGI advanced-aged Time Lords... I could go on and on. I actually liked Rose looking into the time vortex, but "bad wolf" being scattered around time seemed... well, too easy. So I have to disagree with you there on how things are resolved. I like S1-4, for the most part, but there are very few episodes of DW that I can watch and rewatch with as much fervor as S5. I watched Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone about four or fives times and STILL was catching things I'd missed before. I can't really say that for the RTD-era episodes, even the ones Moffat wrote.
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By the way - the first 2 eps of Futurama Season 6 were fucking brilliant!!!!
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Actually cushing just touched on this... it wasn't that the Doctor couldn't open the Pandorica, he wanted to know what was inside of it before he did so.
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Futurama aint a kids show! If there was ever a show made for adults its futurama!! Zap fucking Brannigan is my HERO!!!!
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I don't turn into a Fine American Lady (tm) for at least another two hours.
Oh, and make sure you aim for New England when you hit our coast... the southern bits can get a bit dicey ;) I'll catch you up on the football match when you get here ;) -
There will always be the eternal RTD vs Moff debate. Did you watch the confidential? How do you think Smith and Gillan coped in NYC with all of those rabid Americans? I must say that the atmosphere in the movie theatre with all of the Americans was AWESOME!!!!!
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But the problem is, having a Pandorica which is 'easy to open' from the outside means it is 'very easy' and 'quite likely' to be opened by someone. Hardly the best way to keep the Doctor inprisoned forever now is it?
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Easy for the Doctor doesn't necessarily mean easy for everyone else, but I see your point and actually agree.
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No, haven't seen the Confidential yet. I really hope we gave them a good welcoming.
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Sorry.......
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"I really hope we gave them a good welcoming." It was a thing of absolute beauty! I don't think the American audience could have been more hospitable, and MAN! WERE THEY JACKED!!!
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Good luck, sammy. Nice to see at least one of us can carry on.
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I'm very glad to hear that... but not surprised on the "jacked" part. We love our stars in whichever form they take, and I don't think there are many casual fans of Doctor Who here.
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I leave for 10 minutes and you let Germany score *tsk*
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Germany 2, England 0.
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Sorry, I promise I'm not cheering for Germany, but that was beautiful...
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COME ON ENGLAND YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!
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I'm numb to the score! Fucking Germans! Come on England!!!!
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Don't worry, hun, anything could happen. Go England! ;)
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I'll agree with England fans though, they got robbed big time with that Lampard 'non-goal'. Best match of the World Cup so far. Both teams are bringing the heat. Oh and Who finale was great, it did have some flaws. But soooo much better than Davies episodes.
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Good thing the trolls are distracted right now :)
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It was never a goal in 66. It took 44 years but justice has been done. Even as a Scotsman though, I must say - definitely a goal. I'd be fuckin rasging if that was Scotland or Killie. But it was England so I'm pishing myself laughing!! 45 minutes and this could be BEST WEEKEND EVER!!! (I'm not a Troll - Honest!! LOL. I'm just Scottish!!!)
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I'M NOT MOTHERFUCKING HAAAAAAAPPPPYYYY!!!!!! CUNTS!!!!!
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I love you.... but IT WAS A GOAL IN '66! And that's enough of that!!!
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I need a hug.....
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This is Matt Smith. I'm pretty sure swason 5 was Willaim Harnell. This is Season 31 (or season Fnarg as The Moff calls it) Can't wait for Season 32 (NOT season 6!!!)
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It was a gaol in 2010 too. Unlucky!!! :)
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You trust Wikipedia????? LOL
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.....I'm so pissed I am even contemplating going to see Twilight: Eclipse......
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Why not?
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NOOOOO! You have so much to live for!
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*sigh*
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4-1. I'm going away to sulk....
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Noooooooooo, nothing in the world could possibly be that depressing, not even football!
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..where are Pele and Stallone when I need them???
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England's performance, the blind ref or why Rooney is still on the pitch and in the England team at all?
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blame the italian! :-)
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Well played, gentlemen, well played...
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"Congrats Germany." How very dare you..... WWAAAAAIIILLLLL!!!!!!
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Must give credit where credit is due, hun.
Would've much preferred an England win, but if they and Mexico had both won I would have been torn. If I sided with England in that match, my brother-in-law (who is from Mexico) would've killed me. :oS -
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or possibly behind the bottle of whiskey...
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I have company coming for a Doctor Who finale party (where I'll get to watch it again, yay!) and I need to clean up a bit. Nice chattin' with y'all. Will return tomorrow, late as ever :)
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Not a problem, really. It was not entirely closed when Rory went to open it up, and so it was easy to reopen at that stage, and then they left it easy to re-open.
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Well, then you have another reason to read Wolfe. He corresponded with Tolkien, and Tolkien read some of his early stories. In one of his letters, he talks about how he has found someone else using wargs in their stories. It was Wolfe. Because of his name, one of the token references he brings with him is that of the wolf. Indeed, Wolfe originally wrote Tolkien on the issue of wargs....
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but first more Doc Who!!!
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Rory says "I'm plastic" followed by "He was the stripper at my stag do".
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Just watched the end of Doc Who Confidential (there was a game on LOL) Can't wait for S32. The Silence and Who is River Song? Mr Moffat with these things you are really spoiling us!! :)
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also I can't wait for the next series. River Song is an awesome character, more of her please. And keep Amy and Rory. Glad there are two companions this time. Fuck you Rose!
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How fuckin stupid that rory is now an auton and amy married him and he's now travelling with them..FUCKIN STUPID BEYOND WORDS how can amy and rory ever conceive a child? this is just the sort of stupid writing that Terry pratchett was right about in nu who. I can't believe everyone rated this finale so highly,it was bunkum for about 45 mins of the 55 it was on. A massive let down as i though moffat would really nail a season finale. It was similar to the Heroes season 1 ending where all this stuff and conflict had been hyped and the end result was more of a whimper not a BIG BANG ! Please moff ask the BBC for some more money next yr and if you really want to do something complex with the series pay it off satisfactorily.
PLEASE PLEASE NO TO THE ORIENT EXPRESS IN SPACE AS THE XMAS EP..HAS VOTD WRITTEN ALL OVER IT!
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As has been clearly stated numerous times, Rory is not an Auton.
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Jun 27, 2010 12:08:38 PM CDT
Just FYI... doing the final encode on the BIll & Ted video now..
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Oh the horror, my flatmate is German too, I'm suffering this afternoon.
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When do the DVDs come out for this season in the USA? My favorite season of Doctor Who since the Tom Baker years!
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I heard a lot of them were destroyed?
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The Auton Rory doesn't exist anymore, reset button! DUH!!!
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some of the older dr who's. the dr who ep which had me ducking behind the sofa was the one with micheal rod. the look absolutely horrid looking today. they were of their time. bit like the goodies. saw them on dvd in spain. bar eecky thump. goodies stuff is really dated and not very funny.
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The guy has a point. If Auton Rory is gone, how does Reset Rory remember him when Reset Rory was dead at the time? And the xmas special sounds bloody awful, it DOES have VOTD written all over it.
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The last episode of the season was so great in my ways, but still not sure about the fairytale-like feel they seem to be going for-I like a bit of the fantastical, but still want more hard-edged scifi stories involving Daleks/Cybermen et al, we didn't really get any of that this season-very little off-planet. A fully-fledged alien war is something I'd love to see-with the Doc at the centre of it-but budget limitations blah blah. The River Song storyline seems to be in a state of flux; In 'Silence in the Library' we are definitely given the impression that her and the Doc have a LONG, deep relationship and become as close as two beings can be-but now we are told that the Moff is bacially going to wrap it up in a season or maybe two? River does not look any older now than the 1st time we see her (this is assuming of course she ages like earth humans)-so the end for her cant be anymore than what? 10 years away at the most? Yet she had to check the book in the library to know that it was not the 10th Doc who was in the Byzantium/Pandorica adventures-does she have SUCH a poor memory? Anyways, interested to know how it all plays out. Enjoying Smith but think for the 12th Doctor a radical shake-up could be good (instead of the white male/hot female assistant)-something different in the mix? Would LOVE to see what Keeley Hawes could do with role!!! Onwards to Crimbo!!!!
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Seriously, make him the Dumbledore of the series, give him young assistants for fighting, make them relevant again.
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if you can't watch the episode close enough to realise that Rory is not made of plastic, then what the hell makes you think anything else you have to say might be relevant? Or that the "problems" you foresee actually exist at all?
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Remember, the Doctor and River interact out of order. It could be her first meeting (at least as River, if she is someone else) was with the 11th Doctor. I suspect the majority of her adventures are with Doctor 12+. But we will see 1) how the meet and 2) how she dies, so her story will be taken care of in that sense. And I think we are to believe she was originally bad and turned good through the intervention of the 11th Doctor. Now, she knows after this story, how many times she met with the 11th Doctor. Perhaps she has had all the good times she knows of to date, and so assumes all the rest will be bad -- and so she is apologizing in advance. I assume in the end, the Doctor saves her life when she should die, and that is what brings her over. Just like he couldn't let the Master go, so he, knowing who she is to become, won't let her go, but here, instead of with the Master, it has an effect. She still has many of her natural inclinations -- but, beyond it, she has come to the side of the Doctor, and will do anything for him, and knows he will do anything for her. And I do assume it gets close, especially if she turns out to be someone like The Rani (who we already have had hints, they were an item once). So, just because we will see how they met does not mean it is all of her story, just the "who is she" part of her story.
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Seems to me a lot of people are making a huge fuss over a very minor point, if you want to know how anyone who thought Rory was still plastic can have a point that is valid you should read there words and decide.There isn't one over arching rule that defines how important our words are, there just isn't.I wish he was still plastic, it has awesome implications.
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the whole story is so messed up,that its not strange that people have misunderstood a lot of things.
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The out-of-order appearances, she's one of the only people to know the doctors true name. We've seen her vengeful side (mercy). Quite honestly, I'd love it if she were the big bad of series 6. Call it a 'unbreakable' relationship between arch-enemies like Bruce Willis & Sam Jackson.
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I find it amusing that on the one hand, the fanboys ask the critics to stop nit picking, and gloss over some fairly major plot holes, while on the other, criticise others for not watching closely enough to know a minor detail. I always thought reset Rory was human, but if he is, he should have no awareness of Roborory whatsoever. The fact that he does is a plothole. Unless Amy had the ability to merge them into one character, which is again, another massive plothole.
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Why would the Doctor's Existence depends on Amy? It seemed like River Song remembered. As long as he's remembered, it doesn't matter who.
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OK, so how did the Doctor get out?
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But you can't call something a plot hole because you missed it.When Amelia is wiped out of history in the museum Amy asks how she can still be there. Doctor says something along the lines of they're not affected because they're out of time or something. If Amy can remember things in her dreams and bring them back then so can Rory and River Song. Amy has the power to act on it as she lived next to the crack but Rory and River Song also have those deep memories because they were also there. Rory remembers being an Auton because, and this is also stated in the episode because Amy had such a strong psyche that the alliance didn't just place her memories or Rory in the Auton but his entire consciousness and being. Therefore the Auton Rory was still fundamentally Rory but in a different body. His unsuccesful fighting against programming when he shot her showed that.These are not plot holes they're explained or at least the information is there to extrapolate what happened from them.
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It kind of does matter as Amy was the one who had been infused with the enery of the crack in time from being a small child. River Song had to trigger the memory in Amy in order to negate the fact that the Doctor was on the other side of the rift in time.
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is dealt with when the Doctor enrages him so much by saying Amy doesn't matter more than the Universe and Rory punches him. That was to make sure that the body may have been plastic but the consciousness wasn't in anyway controlled by the Nestene. And this is also mentioned in the episode.
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ok, so Amy can merge them into one character. Does that make Rory older than the doctor now?
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As explained earlier, the story made it clear -- he had the essence and soul of Rory even though it was put into an Auton body. SM really has been paying attention to the audios, I think. Not only were there elements of "Architects of History" in the way timelines worked, the theme of auton autonomy was in "Brave New Town." Nonetheless, what made Rory even more unique is he was given the very soul of Rory. Same soul who has been in two bodies. It is not just two different Rorys. It is the same Rory. Two bodies.
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Right, it was explained, but it wasn't spoon fed. So people, I think, will catch it later when they re-watch it. Of course, I caught it as I watched it, but it is how I am. I immediately take note when miracles, souls, etc are mentioned in Doctor Who. And as I have said, it is a very common trope in sci-fi to be able to have people's soul's/minds/consciousness transfer to different bodies.
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thats when you start laughing.As i already said,if you find yourself satisfied with such childish story explanations,then by all means do give some love for TF2 and all the rest of crap that Hollywood has served us all these summers.its not a shame if its about shows for kids.
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Well, what about Jack as the Face of Boe? But in reality, the Doctor is probably over ten thousand years old. There have been many indications he just doesn't know how old he is anymore. The audios also go into detail with the notion the Doctor gives different answers for different reasons, and is not self-consistent, in part because time is relative.
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but that Van Gogh episode aired last night was hands down the best in the series so far. Amazing scene with Van Gogh and Bill Nighy in the museum. First time the series reached the emotional heights of the Tennant run. And it had very little to do with the new Doctor.
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the Van Gogh episode is simply the best of the whole series.balanced,well constructed,scenes with full emotional impact.not like the travesty of the finale episode.
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this i like generations, where picard went into the nexus and then imagined himself back out of it. he's still reallt in the nexus. Amy's memories couldn't really generate Rory's soul into an auton, it would just be her impression of Rory. Who really truly knows everything about their partner? I can't see how Auton Rory would have any memories that weren't shared with Amy. Again, it falls apart.
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You're using the argument of a spoilt child. These are things that you've been bleating about as being plot holes - then when they're shown not to be you start that ridiculous stance of - 'well if you like that you must be stupid' blah blah blah.To be honest if you didn't like it that's fair enough but don't adopt moral and intellectual superiority over those who see these as being fundamental and acceptable aspects of science fiction - the humanity of machines and the diochotomy that lay in Rory's character can be found in many fine hard science fiction works and you dismiss it because you didn't 'get it'. Blade Runner must make your nose bleed! You don't have any intellectual superiority because you're the blithering man child that said you'd 'punch Moffat on the nose' and that kind of negates any point you have!
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wow.
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I'm comparing the concept of Rory to the concepts in Blade Runner.
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You asked earlier why the restoration field in there. The simple explanation is that the Alliance knows that he regenerates his form. I don't go with the theory that they would have thought that the energy of the regeneration might mess with the Pandoricum, but they do know that he changes appearance and size when he regenrates. Part of the reason for the field would be to keep him from regenerating into a form that would let him slip out of the chair and then find a way out of the box. I also wouldn't be surprised that part of the reason is that some of the reason they did it was because they're a bunch of vindictive SOB's that want to be able to slip back now and then, and taunt the Doctor.
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1.nobody has given straight answers to the questions i posted in my first posts.so no,no plotholes have been explained to me.2.plotholes is not the only problem with the finale.i mentioned other flaws in my first posts.3.this is not scifi mate and surely it has nothing to with Asimov for that matter.its fairy tale fantasy.magic boxes,people with super-powers,out of thin air science which solves everything and so on.its a kiddie show and this episode is the perfect representation of that.
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which can escape from a magic box.god i love it.it reminds me of the Matrix Revolutions days,which when it came out, the hardcore fans of the Trilogy brought out the most imaginative theories to explain the ridiculous plotholes,contradictions and illogical elements of the Trilogy,in order to defend it from the enormous negative backlash from the rest of the audience which didnt like it.
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The reboot Rory does look like it could be a bit of a plothole. I thought originally that he remembered up until his death, as I had originally missed his "I was plastic" comment. There are ways to handwave an explanation - it's Amy still remembering him, the Doctor planted the memory of Rory being an auton for a while in young Amy's mind,etc. It doesn't mean that Rory being remembered and turned into an Auton is a plothole, though (as I think Killik was maintaining). The Doctor said nothing can be completely forgotten, that there will always be bits to remind people - photographs, uneaten meals. (He said this in ep 12). To underscore this, they showed the picture of Amy and Rory as a Roman. They also showed the point in the ground where Daleks had been recording the brainprints of Amy - River Song found those outside the house the day the wedding was supposed to be. They got the brainprints of adult Amy at that point; it wasn't brainprints of the child Amy. After that, insert the Doctor's explanation about being able to remember the universe. There is one question that is raised; is the Doctor just Amy's remembrance of him? Is this just a copy Doctor (that might have the soul of the Doctor) remade for the reboot universe, or was her remembering a way of forming a bridge to allow the Doctor to get back inside the universe? (Which may be similar to what Big Bad might want). If it's just a copy of the Doctor, is there this copy Doctor running around the universe while the original 11th Doctor is still trapped outside space and time where he ended up after the crack wrote him out of history? Maybe the Alliance is right and the Doctor's the one who caused all this after all.
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I didn't watch Doctor Who last night as was out with friends so I saved it for this evening. So glad I did. Tonight I will be going to bed with a smile on my face having been thoroughly entertained by the finale, and vast majority, of this year's Doctor Who. A fantastic, sterling acheivement. If only the show had the same budget as the England football team. It just goes to show what you can acheive on a modest budget and that throwing vast amounts of money at something doesn't necessarily make it any better. An epic series and an epic finale. This year's Doctor Who Christmas special will be an absolute treat! Can't wait.And England team: you should be ashamed of yourselves. If I were that good at my job I'd be sacked.
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lost explained a LOT of things. Too bad the brain dead audience got confused.
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...more fairytale than science fiction. If you remember differently you are incorrect.
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take a big breath and re-read what you just wrote.doesnt make any sense at all,even if it is indeed shown in the episode right?when i say this reminds me the Matrix Revolutions talkbacks,i am not joking.
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As I say if you don't like it or see problems that's your taste and that's fine. I only object to the fact you insult people who do like it and have no problems by basically stating that we must be thick.Doctor Who is not a kiddies show - it is, and always has been a family show. Probably skewed a little towatds the younger audience but it's not a exclusively a show for children - if it was you'd never have got Vincent and the Doctor.Doctor Who has time travel, aliens in cyborg tanks, travel to different planets and is therefore science fiction - it may not be Asimov and it may not be Philip K Dick but science fiction is a genre that ranges from fantasy space opera like Star Wars to hard Science Fiction like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.The 'science' in Who has always been dodgy but that's fine because it is a peripheral part of the show.I accept that as long as there are explanations that work within the concept and that the show takes advantage of the wide canvas that it has.Whether that's gothic horror, war, comedy, fairy tales, historical - whatever - I don't judge people who don't like it and I quite like the same in return.Your original post had a lot of complaints and questions many of which have been answered by what was written on the show. It also has a lot of subjective 'ranty' things about the chemistry between Amy and Rory which you seem to state as fact when in actuality that's not fact, that's your perception. It also complains about the fact that a little girl believes in stars saving reality when that's what happened and all sorts of other things - including the date of transmission.It's entirely your perogative to not like it - that's cool but don't berate those who did because you come across as a bit foolish and you're possibly doing yourself a big disservice.
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I think we're meant to accept that somehow the real proper Doctor magically came back. This is why Who talkbacks are so much fun. You get people (not you) focusing on some really bizarre details caused by the BBC budget and rushed production values (Amy's house is a Tardis, the stairs go nowhere, etc) when in reality it was really only the jacketed Doctor in the woods that was an Easter egg for the finale all season. Who has never, ever made sense (talking since the reboot with Ecclestone) but some people feel the need to defend it fiercely. Who swings from quality drama to kiddies crap.
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Guys-- I am really confused here.Killik keeps having a go that its childish etc etc ...well on one level its for the kids. So what ?And it doesn't make a lot of sense in some parts or is confusing but those of us who are sad enough to spend the time on thinking about it find ourselves in a spot that says " yep okay I'll buy that"There are mainly just a lot of people on here who have found it to be entertaining and some who obviously don't but you do the folk who like this a huge disservice. To say that as fan boys they are prepared to gloss over things and talk Who up is rubbish. Nearly everybody I see on here who has liked this episode has been gnarly over one episode or another this season.So stop trying to make it personal or invalidate others opinions. Some people have their views, you have yours ---Vivre le difference !!
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Fair comment, it did explain lots of things but "Big Glowing Swimming Pool and a Parallel Universe nobody ever heard about until the final season" doesn't really cut it for me :) I;m not brain dead you know, I can handle multiple timelines/universes but Big Glowy Swimming Pools WTF?? They didn't fucking explain that!!! Basically it was SHITE and you know it. Fuckin Hell even the finale of 24 was better and that ended exactly the same as every other season.
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This talk-back is one of the most unbiaised open and erudite on the entire fucking site.I am gob-smacked that people can come on here and accuse anybody on here of blind devotion to Who.Really you guys are just trying my patience now.
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If you could travel back in time and just take out the Trolls' dads for a few beers the night they should have shagged their mothers does that mean they would cease to exist??? We can only hope!!!
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just show me one goddamn sentence where i insult someone because he likes this episode.ONE SENTENCE.i never attack someone personally for his personal opinion.i laugh at his opinion,i criticize his opinion,but i never call him names.Not even when some cunt calls me a goat-fucker like some guy above did.If you dont like the fact that someone consider ridiculous the same things that you praise,its strictly a personal matter of yours which has nothing to do with personal attacks and insults.
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are you really a badass, cause in a vader voice that's menacing, but in a nerd voice who lives with mommy and daddy, not so much.
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'As i already said,if you find yourself satisfied with such childish story explanations,then by all means do give some love for TF2 and all the rest of crap that Hollywood has served us all these summers'A passive aggresive insult at any and all who liked last nights episode. A statement that implies that we are all a bit stupid and willing to accept 'any crap'. It's not a direct insult but it's still very much an implication that anyone who disagrees with you is in some way not as clever.The direct insults ...'that if i had Moffat in front of me i would have punched him.not because of hate,but because he is an idiot who ruined something that would have been a masterpiece.what a muppet.'Are saved for the writer and producer. Also in some cultures laughing at someones opinion can be seen as an insult.
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...is no more science fiction than say the Avengers (Steed and Peel, the only flavor that counts) was a spy show. Who provides witty, good humored entertainment with an occasional dollop of pathos and entertainingly fantastical elements. On those few occasions when it had provided a compelling science fiction storyline it was absolutely incidental to the purpose of the show. What Who does provide, as did The Avengers in days of yore, is a variety of cleverly manic and imaginative adventure of a sort that we Americans have never been particularly good at producing. And it's a taste I like. This season of Who, and this finale, captured that flavor quite well. Please continue arguing about the "plot holes" though. It really is quite entertaining.
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Shut up. Lost was about science VS Faith. If you didn't understand that, you never understood the show. Lost answered many things. And we even got the Death of the Smoke monster. What did Dr. Who answer?
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if you had read the talkback,you would discover that there are people who defend the ridiculousness of the finale,based on the argument that its a kid's show so you have to take lightly the simplistic ways of how the story develops.no problem with that.But ironically you try to defend the finale based on the argument that it is an adult scifi show which explores intellectual subjects like robots with human souls etc .thats a bit of a contradiction now,isnt?but its ok,it is just one more proof of how messed up this episode is and maybe one more hint that the whole concept of the rebooted WHO series is a bit misunderstood.fans really dont know how to receive this show,thus what there is a lot of dichotomy in the opinions of the fanbase.
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you got a great way with words.. you crack me up sometimes! Well done.
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i would give my soul,just to have a new Avengers series with River Song in the role of Emma Peel and wearing the same leather outfit.yummie.
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Nope I am not a bad ass ---neither do I live with Mommy and Daddy--I have teenage sons still raiding my fridge that I also wished didn't live with Mommy and Daddy.But where I am getting fed up is with the meaningless unbalanced sniping.Killik in particular has had nothing good to say about this episode so he is obviously just out to stick the knife in.Its made even more obvious by the fact that earlier he challenged how Amy could know when everything was resurrected that Rory had been an Auton. When I answered that Killik had obviously missed a startlingly obvious point like plastic Rory having shot Amy and then in full view of her,shooting a Dalek, he just took the argument off in another direction without acknowledging he was wrong.You and he want people to bow down to your opinions--not going to happen when you can't engage in a balanced conversation.
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...my friend. Uma Thurman had more of everything and packed in all the wonderfully right places but she was still a horrible Mrs. Peel. Won't even comment on Fiennes' dour Steed.
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TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
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Get a grip and read my posts.I draw comparisons to other stories with similar concepts because you dismiss them as being ridiculous and fairy tale like when the same concept with a different execution can be found in many, many other stories. And I don't defend the show because it's not under attack from anything substantial - just a few guys who didn't like it - I discuss the show - very subtle difference that seems to elude you. Read my post where I state that Doctor Who is a family show that skews towards the younger audience. It's not adult science fiction and if you can tell me or show me where I categorically said it was then I'll buy you a Panda.I, and most others here know how to recieve the show whereas you don't seem to have a grip on that yourself.
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If there is one thing I find hugely embarrassing about being a fan boy its how any bird with all her appendages and her eyes in the right place becomes a hottie if she is on a popular programme.We had it with that dumpy ginger midget in the X-Files and now with somebody who looks like they're not far off pensionerdom in Who.Really guys, get a girlfriend quick !!!
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...and the finale were good. My eight year old son was screaming at the screen for more than half of the two episodes (we delayed showing him the first part until we could show him both because we didn't want him to get upset at the cliffhanger). My eleven year old daughter didn't once retreat to her books or DS. And my wife and I were quite content to spend a big portion of our Saturday night watching. My son's favorite moment? When Amy popped out of the box.
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Jun 27, 2010 3:24:13 PM CDT
a shout out to one of the more elegant moments
by chronicallydepressedlemming
...when The Doctor unbeknown to us and Amy is seeding a memory by whispering to her about the 'new and ancient and blue TARDIS that he 'borrowed'' and how it actually helps her rememeber on her Wedding Day because of the old tradtion of something old something new, something borrowed, something blue. I thought that was a very deft touch.
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I liked the episode a lot. The build up to Amy being in the box and the something borrowed something blue line was brilliant, as was the Doctor jumping through time, it was expertly handled. But I think the plot itself was a bit lazy, and the viewer was asked to ignore several pretty confusing/paradoxical plot twists. I'm not asking anyone to bow down to my opinion, if anything, I just love a good debate. This is the essence of talkback isn't it? That and making Kelvington laugh.
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Seriously FUCK OFF!! The Lost finale was fucking minging (good scottish word) They rewrote the whole mythology in one season. The beauty of The Doctor is that there is no continuity, the fans try their best to make it make sense but it just doesn't. And we don't really care. Lost on the other hand, Cuse, Abrams et al always said they weren't making it up as tehy went along. THEY FUCKING LIED!! Whereas since 1963 Doc Who producers have always admitted "We're making it up as we go along" That's why Doc Who trumps Lost. At the end of the day, who would you want in an emergency? Doctor Shepherd or Doctor Who? I vote for the Madman with the Box (prefereably the one with the scarf and curls but any one will do me!!! LOL)
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Who wants to bet it's River pretending? We already know she's got no problems posing as Cleopatra...
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"A passive aggresive insult at any and all who liked last nights episode. A statement that implies that we are all a bit stupid and willing to accept 'any crap'. It's not a direct insult but it's still very much an implication that anyone who disagrees with you is in some way not as clever."implies? you mean you hypothesize the meaning of my sentence from YOUR perspective,because its YOU who consider that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot.I never say that in my sentence and i have never said it before that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot.so how do you know that this is what i imply,unless ofc you feel like that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot? if you feel like this,then be my guest but as i already said how you perceive the criticism of someone else is your own personal problem not mine.oh and what i meant in my sentence,is that if you like WHO's retardness because its childish,then with the same logic TF2 is a great movie which should be also love.I am refering to the arguments mate,not the personalities of the viewers.got it?"Are saved for the writer and producer. "ah the desperation of when we are wrong about someone and make out things from nowhere in order to protect our egoism,heh?i didnt know that Moffat is a talkbacker which wrote in this talkback and i personally insulted him above because he liked his episode he wrote (haha).which is what i dared you to find me.a sentence where i insult a talkbacker personally because he has a different opinion from mine. i also didnt know that Moffat is someone which is in the same level of the fans/talkbackers and i should act towards him as such.he is the writer and creator of the show,he is the ultimately responsible of what we watch and critisize in the show.he is the artist of his artwork,which means there is a direct link between them,which means the criticism of an artwork is also directed at the artist itself.so please when i praise Cameron as a King when he creates a masterpiece like Avatar,then do allow me to critise Moffat as a muppet when he ruins something that it could have been a masterpiece of his.fair enough?and no i really didnt mean that i would punch him.i was exaggerating,i am not a violent person irl.but i would tell him that he made a fiasco."Also in some cultures laughing at someones opinion can be seen as an insult."yeah i know those cultures.they might even stone you to death if you strongly disagree with them.i wouldnt put them much into high consideration.
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"A passive aggresive insult at any and all who liked last nights episode. A statement that implies that we are all a bit stupid and willing to accept 'any crap'. It's not a direct insult but it's still very much an implication that anyone who disagrees with you is in some way not as clever."implies? you mean you hypothesize the meaning of my sentence from YOUR perspective,because its YOU who consider that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot.I never say that in my sentence and i have never said it before that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot.so how do you know that this is what i imply,unless ofc you feel like that whoever likes TF2 is an idiot? if you feel like this,then be my guest but as i already said how you perceive the criticism of someone else is your own personal problem not mine.oh and what i meant in my sentence,is that if you like WHO's retardness because its childish,then with the same logic TF2 is a great movie which should be also love.I am refering to the arguments mate,not the personalities of the viewers.got it?"Are saved for the writer and producer. "ah the desperation of when we are wrong about someone and make out things from nowhere in order to protect our egoism,heh?i didnt know that Moffat is a talkbacker which wrote in this talkback and i personally insulted him above because he liked his episode he wrote (haha).which is what i dared you to find me.a sentence where i insult a talkbacker personally because he has a different opinion from mine. i also didnt know that Moffat is someone which is in the same level of the fans/talkbackers and i should act towards him as such.he is the writer and creator of the show,he is the ultimately responsible of what we watch and critisize in the show.he is the artist of his artwork,which means there is a direct link between them,which means the criticism of an artwork is also directed at the artist itself.so please when i praise Cameron as a King when he creates a masterpiece like Avatar,then do allow me to critise Moffat as a muppet when he ruins something that it could have been a masterpiece of his.fair enough?and no i really didnt mean that i would punch him.i was exaggerating,i am not a violent person irl.but i would tell him that he made a fiasco."Also in some cultures laughing at someones opinion can be seen as an insult."yeah i know those cultures.they might even stone you to death if you strongly disagree with them.i wouldnt put them much into high consideration.
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and it was the Tom Baker comment. He has some serious contention for the title "best Doctor" recently, though. He is also correct in his statement that Lost was about science vs. faith. He didn't put the emphasis on the "was" part, though. They threw all the science vs. faith bit out the window with the last season, which is why there are so many people that were upset with the Lost finale. Doctor Who has very rarely tried to be a hard SF story (even when they tried, say under Bidmead script editing, there were usually come real screwups that would come out in the stories) but would tend more toward "science fantasy". This varied through the years, sometimes with science pushing harder, and sometimes with the fantasy part pushing harder. It depends on who is showrunning (or, in the old days, producing and script editing).
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But really just look how much Killik is really "debating".I really loved this episode but as I have said earlier I did have problems with the switch from the doom laden tone of the last episode to the rather larky fixing the Doctor did.Also thought him getting himself out of the box was shonky.But they were the glaring things for me. Aside from the Pandorica being another Deus Ex I thought I found myself buying into the story hugely and, as others have mentioned the something borrowed moment was something special.So broadly we all probably agree on the strengths and weaknesses of the show but some of us seem convinced that this should lead to one inevitable conclusion about its worth --that of course agrees with their rating.Loved it...aware of the faults...but loved it...sue me.
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...Before the Doc got himself wiped from existence, would his last thoughts not have been of Rose and wanting to go back and see her again? She was supposed to be the love of his life after all. This makes me think of the nature of the regenerations themselves. Do they, in a way, make for an emotional 'clean slate' so that the Doc isn't saddled with 900+ years of emotional baggage? Yes, he does REMEMBER Rose, Donna etc but the strong feelings the 10th Dr had are just not there-The 11th Doc definitely seems more 'free and easy' that the 10th. I know there was shared emotional ties between 9 & 10-was this simply because RTD oversaw both Dr's? It just seems strange the 11th went back to observe Amy and wasn't interested in anything or anyone else-a nice montage right back to the 1st Doc would have been great.
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Yep, one of the great things about this reincarnation is that he isn't pining for that chav.Yippee.
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obviously you havent seen the pics of the nude River Song i posted at the start of the talkback.or maybe you are a fag who gets horny with nude pics of fat,sweaty truck drivers.i am JOKING ofc,just teasing cushing1967.but Song is hot.period.
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My friend made me watch Dr. Who and it was always Tom Baker. He was pretty good.
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Jun 27, 2010 3:43:56 PM CDT
I'll knock this talkback into a parallel universe...
by cool_britannia79
I quite like TF2. The battle in the forest was amazing. Sure it had problems, but overall, as a spectacle, it wasn't bad (hated devestator though). That said, if anyones seen the war for cybertron game trailer, that would be the best transformers movie ever. Come fanboys, GET ME!
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Which of my posts were you wanting me to go back and read because it made no sense? The one about the restoration field which did make sense? Or the one about Auton Rory, where I admitted there's a plot hole and gave some hand waving explanations why it might happen (but still boil down to hand waving)? If it was the restoration field, feel free as to say why it doesn't make sense. For that matter, it wouldn't hurt if you could summarize the first talkbacks you posted (which are buried in the middle now) - bullet point the parts you thought were bad and why. I know that people have dealt with some of your points (despite your claims in the 2:12:48 PM post). Maybe if you gave us the shortlist again we could try to address them succinctly and in a manner which you do think are "straight answers"
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Yep and here you are with your intellectual deconstruction of Who posting full frontal pictures of a naked 47 woman on the site.Sort of tells me that in reality you are just an immature dick.
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...like I said, I've got an eight year old son. I had to watch that movie. Consider yourself got.
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Vector Sigma!
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You do realise that even if you answer this idiot he'll ignore you.He will always be right...he needs to be because of low esteem issues which can only be resolved by wanking over pictures of 47 year old women in the TV guide.Just let him be.Him and his rather sticky, fishy smelling fingers
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...usually I'm on your side but I must protest your last post. Debating your favorite entertainments and an interest in naked members of the sex you like best are not and should never be considered mutually exclusive. And need I remind you, sir, that Liz Hurley is 45 and Salma Hayek 43. 47 ain't what it used to be (he says, glancing sadly at forty in the rearview mirror).
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oh boy another one who labels someone who has not even met irl.oh boy,oh boy,oh boy.and you know what? nobody labeled you while you agreed with them and praised the past episodes of DR in the previous talkbacks.but when you disagreed with them and criticized the finale episode for its flaws,you instantly are labeled as a goat-fucker,someone who insults other people because they have different opinions and lastly an immature dick.god damn,me loves the internets and the grown up people who participate in them.
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Mom: Killik !!! KillikKillik : What Mom !!!!!Mom: The TV Guide is stuck together on Saturdays pages. AGAIN!!!!!Killik : Sorrry MomMom: FFS Get off that computer and get laid...and your father has told you countless times to get all those old Star Trek Videos out of the garage...you've got them on DVD ...why the hell do you need that crap.Killik: They're collectables momMom: Get Rid !!!Killik : Sulk...worse Mom ever.
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Sorry dudes
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...if you want to watch five seasons of a doctor crying and whining about his fucking daddy issues, and then have the writers - who have carefully teased you for five years that all the kooky sci-fi stuff in the show is carefully planned and has a resolution that WILL PAY OFF - make the show turn to shit in the sixth season, where it is NOT only obvious that the writers had no clue what the resolution would be, but couldn't even be arsed to re-watch all the previous seasons of LOST to try and cobble together something half decent. We get the "cry and fuck off" ending instead.
RPLOCKE, KINDLY FUCK OFF. The universe isn't designed to handle stupidity of your magnitude. -
Bang on mate. The 10th Doctor had a connection to Rose because she was the companion from the previous incarnation. Same as Sarah Jane from 3rd to 4th. Nyssa, Tegan (And Adric )from 4th to 5th and Peri from 5th to 6th. Eleventh Doctor had no companion when he regenerated so no emotional ties
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...consider yourself ungotten. At my age and mileage it's insultingly easy to distract me.
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Mel (even bigger shudder than Adric LOL) from 6th to 7th
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Whatever dude. Slam Lost all you want. People loved it. It's a classic show. Sure, Dr. Who has a billion episodes, but Lost will be remembered.
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He's my favorite - or at least tied. He was the one I started watching with. If you go back, though, you can see some of the tone of his stories reflected in modern Doctor Who. In fact, they've had Julie Gardner talking about watching City of Death and having it be a basis for what she and RTD were doing (not a bad story to copy). Moffat likes to throw in a bit of the older gothic horror story style which was used with the first three seasons of Baker. Sure, you get some duds in the series sometimes, but you had those even with Tom Baker (Android Invasion, anyone?). I can assure you that not all of the new Doctor Who is crap - it wouldn't have kept getting nominations for Hugo Awards (I mention nominations so that we acknowledge that Moffat wasn't the only one to have had episodes nominated). If you seriously think nu-Who is crap, then I don't think you've seen the Eccleston stories Dalek or Father's Day, which are the equal of the better Tom Baker stories. Or watch the Family of Blood/Human Nature two parter or Midnight with Tennant. Even some of the Matt Smith ones would hold up - The Eleventh Hour is the best first story for the Doctor still existing as video bar the 1st episode of Unearthly Child. It's far better than Robot (and I still have a sentimental attachment to that story - Howard da Silva introductions and all). As season finales go, nu Who has done better than old who overall, considering that they didn't normally try to have a big end of season wrapup. (Key to Time, Trial of a Time Lord being the two notable exceptions - with both being let down by the very end of their stories. Castrovalva could also count, but had its own plot holes - flushing the Master out by draining the Thames into the TARDIS? Using a radio to communicate a blackmail threat to the universe and expecting all races to hear it before the universe was wiped out? Bidmead did have a few head scratching moments). Don't be a hater just to be a hater, try some of the stories I suggested and then come back to tell us why you liked them or thought they were bad.
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Nah...I labelled you an immature Dick in response to your post that said if I didn't like Alex Kingston then I was "a fag who gets horny over pictures of naked sweaty truck drivers."Another example of you conveniently missing out parts of any debate that show you in a poor light.(NB For those who may be a bit PC can I point out that I am not bothered about being called a fag. 6 pints of lager and I'm anyones)
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Seriously unimpressed with what Lost completely failed to explain. Yes, big emotional payoff, but they blatantly introduced the alternate timeline purgatory thing to distract people from realising about all the other forever unexplained shit the show was about before the last season.
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Did you see the Family Guy Star Wars special where the Falcon goes into hyperspace, and they play the theme from the 70s Dr. Who?
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I have no idea why I should think you'd even begin to try to discuss rather than trumpet because you don't even seem to know what you write yourself. You state that 'TF2 and all the rest of crap' (a direct quote) and then deny stating that you ever said anything negative about the people who like it - but if they like 'crap' in your words then that means they have less taste than you rather than different taste. No implication there - just meaning.You see, I've been a qualified criminal psychologist for nearly twenty years now, I work with many dangerouse people and often the most dangerous are the ones who think that direct language is all and that implication is nothing tangible - when in fact those who imply are usually more damaging than those who don't. You won't see that of course because you are so wrapped up in the misnomer that you are 100% right about this and that everyone else is wrong - to the point where you ignore all other arguments - and I'm the egotist? Heh
You're such a close-minded person that you don't even get the fact that in all cultures - laughing at someones opinion is insulting and my 'dry satire' shot straight over your head.You're the kind of person that doesn't see that an insult is an insult is an insult and that calling someone an idiot because they wrote something that YOU and a handful of others didn't like is incredibly egotistical.You don't debate you try to, as 2legged freak states, force your will onto everyone else. The argumental tactics of a spoiled child. No-one will ever respect your arguments because you don't seem to have it in you to actually argue - you berate and deride and just don't seem to have the ability to even consider any other points of view - even if only to formulate a decent counter argument. And again, I'm showing egotism?
And with that this conversation is over because I might only have 30 - 40 years left on the planet and speaking to you makes that seem too long. And it's only a television show and I really don't want to even try to engage with you anymore as it's a bit too much like work. -
actually, he gave me a pretty civil answer back with my Tom Baker comment, and showed there is some Doctor Who he liked. Maybe it's a place to start with. I'd say he's right on Lost being a classic show, even if it did lose the plot a couple of times before coming back. As people have said, comparing Lost to Doctor Who is really like comparing chalk and cheese. Both series will be remembered. (Doctor who will be remembered in England, certainly, while Lost will be remembered in the US). There's no reason to be making a competition between the two. It's like comparing Top Gear to Mock the Week, or comparing Battlestar Galactica to Boston Legal; you're dealing with two completely different things. Each can be judged on its own right without bringing in the other.
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...oh it most certainly will. Just look at how long people have remembered Bobby Ewing stepping out of the shower. cool_britannia79, now you're double ungotten. You've got a free pass for liking any one thing up to (but not including) the Emmerich Godzilla.
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Sorry, didn't see it. Family Guy just doesn't float my boar. I did like the South Park episode where they claimed Family Guy is written by a bunch of manatees, however (with cameo by Bart Simpson). South Park guys sore about Family Guy getting all the love? Naaaaaah.....
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The Star Wars specials on Family Guy are great, and I don't care much for Family Guy either. I can watch the Simpsons over and over again and not get tired of it.
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the years have not been kind. Really racist view of the not very indian looking guy too.
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Criminal Psychologist eh?---UlpIf I've said anything vaguely Hannibal Lectorish --- I was er...just joking.
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Pandorica=Tardis=Sonic Screwdriver=Black liquid in D9=Black Hole in JJ's ST=All Spark in TF1,2 and so on.the problem is not why and how the above things have their special powers inside the story,the problem is how the writer use them as the most cheap and convenient way to progress the story by giving solutions and resolutions when the story reaches a halt.Personally i find this way of story telling over simplistic,childish and lazy.There is no originality,no fresh ideas,no a serious,well-thought way of bypassing the problems found in the story and progress it to next event.And not only that,but if we are talking about ongoing series like the DW, things eventually will get overcomplicated and start over-collapsing and over-contradicting each other,because the writers preferred the easy way to develop their stories with story elements they pull out from their mind in the last moment and giving no shit about constructing a comprehensible universe with defined laws,rules and the way of how things work.a quick example: We have a 50years old series where the DR again and again states that we can not interfere to the timeline,we are parts of things now,we can not use the Tardis to change the past or the future and so on,and suddenly,zap,in a single episode everything goes down to drain because simply the writer was incapable of respecting established facts while giving his own take on the timeline concept.what is that? the DR explains that is is possible to rewrite history? no problemo then.but next time when someone dies,the DR should rewrite the history since its possible after all and save everybody each time they die.it worked the first time,why not all the other times in the forthcoming episodes? get my point?
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It's all fine unless you were masturbating to a photo of a. Your mum b. my mum c. a corpse d. Bobby Ball. If you were then take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning.
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thank god i wrote the "JOKING" word in capitals so that you see that i didnt mean the trucks part,i put it there for cushing1997 to tease him.now i would expect an apology from your part,but i am pretty sure,that like cushing1957,your egoism wont permit to do such a thing.apology? for being wrong at insulting someone? in the internets? haaaaaaaaaha,@cushing1957 keep playing your violin baby,keep playing it.
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Thank Fuck for that...I was so worried !!So masturbating over an old Chuckle Brothers is okay then ?Christ I thought that there was something wrong with me !!
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family guy doesn't float my boar either dude, but Kelvington laughed, so I guess it was ok
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Sorry
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As lomg as it's Paul and not Barry you're fine
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'to me, to me, to me, to me'
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I'm getting tired..I meant to type an old Chuckle Brothers poster--its you Cushing you're freaking me out.And it was of both of them...is that wrong ?
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no problemo
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It's only wrong if one was egging you on while you did it to the other one and then vice versa - but as we're talking about posters that's fine - unless one egged you on while you did it to the other one and vice versa.
@cool_britannia79 - you've actually got mags with them in them. That's pretty specialist hardcore material you have there. I thought after the Cum on Mrs Noah video with Mollie Sugden the BBC were being a bit more watchful. -
It's the trev and simon shit you gotta hunt for. 'We don't do duvets!'
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LolMolly SugdenThat is beyond wrong !!!
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England out. Argentina v Germany in the quarters and I am up to Hungry Earth. Pity I have to work tomorrow otherwise i'd get to The Big Bang, Something to look forward to tomorrow night :) I'm also 2/3ds of the way through James Herbert's Rats trilogy and will be buying the sequuel to Hater tomorrow so basically HAPPY DAYS!! (Apart from the work thing obviously!!)
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Sorry LOL
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What colour was her hair in that video---I always liked the purple myself.And ...ahem ...was it the same colour erm......down below. If you know what I mean.
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You guys are still at it? It's been EIGHT HOURS for godsakes! Most people don't even put this much effort into something they actually get paid to do.
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Glad you're at least happy. All 3 teams i was cheering for (US, England, Mexico) were eliminated this weekend. Sad.
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You're reading James Herbert?!? I thought no one did that anymore. He was a damned revelation to me when I was a kid. If you haven't read The Fog yet you've got to pick it up! And if you like Herbert you ought to try to find some Robert McCammon. Two words. Nazi zombies.
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This guy Killig - have you ever watched fucking Doctor Who? All this shite about Doctor not changing timelines for 50 years? Eh? What about all the times he's changed history and the fact that it's been written that somepoints are fixed and some are fluid? Lol - what a fucking dope! WATCH THE FUCKER B4 YOU SLAG IT OFF YOU FUCKING NUMPTY!
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Not really my thing but Ble HArvest and Something Somehing Dark Side are brilliant. And the Surfin' Bird ep is fuckin awesome! Altogether now.... Well... Everybody's heard about the bird.
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The Bird is the word
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Please don't. This has already been going on ALL DAY, don't get him (or her) started again.
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Cos the Bird Bird Bird, The Bird is the word!
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PTV (the one poking fun at the FCC) is pretty good, too.
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His earlier stuff was a bit Pulp Fiction but enjoyable.I like McCammon's stuff a lot though Red Ned---suggest that Boys Life is a good read though not out and out horror...more like Ray Bradbury.You're Nazi Zombie prompt reminded me of another corker though...The Keep by F Paul Wilson...and he's an author to read if you've not already.
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Moo Mow Ma Ma Ma Ma Moo Mow Ma Ma!
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Actually made myself feel a bit ill at the thought. Because I inadvertantly imagined Michael Knowles and Donald Hewitt in it too! I need a change of career!!!Lime Green - and yes, a particular woman she seemed to be in that respect.No idea what colour her pussy was as she had left it at home!
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Graham Masterton ---he wrote The Manitou which was made into a film with Tony Curtis as I recall.
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THE BIRD BIURD BIRD THE BIRD IS THE WORD! (Yes I can be as annoying as this all night!! LOL)
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Too many Knowles' in the world (that's my maiden name, and no, no relation to Harry, to my knowledge).
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It's far less annoying when typed :)
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if we are talking about the same film
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Gordon would you … take me away from here? Take me with you, where there aren’t such things as wolves, Black Dogs and people cutting their heads off with saws. – from Werewolf by Moonlight
She needed a man. A real man. Not the boyish Chris Latimer. Someone who would dominate her. Take her as a woman should be taken. – From The Sucking Pit
...her reply was lost in the moans and the writhings of their united bodies as they reached the ultimate possible peak of pleasure which any man and woman can climb. – From Night of the Crabs
...Suddenly he found himself becoming aroused. Hell, it was a long time since he’d gone a fortnight without a woman. Nevertheless he was determined that such pleasures would have to wait and attempt to satisfy his craving the only way he knew how. But it did not stop him getting an erection again… Every man had his Achilles heel. – From Sabat 1: The Graveyard Vultures
But what chance did they stand against this army of attacking pheasants? – From Carnivore
Why shouldn't a child's corpse turn into a pike? No reason at all...Maybe he was a fish and hadn't realised it up until now. – From The Undead
Any woman who could give him an erection after all the anti-hormone drugs they stuffed into Caerlaverock personnel deserved to be heard out. – From Warhead
It was his first taste of human flesh and he wondered why he had ever bothered with hares and sheep before. – Werewolf by Moonlight
This doomed girl had not only risen from her deathbed but she had turned into a nymphomaniac. – From The Resurrected
He did something that caused the elephant to go berserk and the potato vendor to burn to death. – From The Dark OneThe real life Garth Marenghi and author of the Crabs series!!! -
Go out tomorrow and buy every book Christopher Brookmyre has written. Eventually he gets to aliens from another dimension (so kind of on topic really LOL) He also rips so-called psychics apart in The Attack Of The Unsinkable Rubber Ducks. If you read one Brookmyre then read that, He exposes those twats for the greedy cunts that they truly are. Or go for "One Fine Day In The Middle Of the Night" which is basically Die Hard on an Oil Rig IN SCOTLAND!!! A Tale Etched In Bloos And Hard Black Pencil is pretty good too. Actually just buy them all - he's not written a bad book yet.
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he got an oscar in that movie.
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Yes I know - I'm a twat!!
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...I rarely use profanity in a talkback but I would like to say right now that I fucking love you guys. I mean Graham Masterton and Guy N Smith? I thought the only place those guys still lived was in the bookcases in my garage.
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...I will offer up the name William W. Johnstone in reply to Guy N Smith, who did after all give us giant killer crabs (which has to forgive something, right?). The novel The Devil's Kiss is the most special example of horror that exists in the English language. If you have not read it I urge you in the strongest possible terms (because if you even know Guy N Smith I know this is for you) to go on Amazon, buy this book, and prepare to have your mind blown. Seriously, Satanic possession via rock and roll music, so much sex, violence and tommy gun packing sexual athlete ex-marine pastor and passive prejudice toward almost every ethnic group that it will take you to an entirely different place. Oh, plus nuclear mutants.
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Almost 1 clicked it before bed but at £29 it would have to be ultra special. I'll check eBay in the morning and hope that it outshines Deathbell (a bit like the Fog but with a bell, a deathbell!!!)
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Totally and utterly explains vampires - Now this is definitely On Topic - Parallel Universes, Vampiric Parasites, Talking to The Dead, ESP & Time Travel (explained by Mathematics) Pretty sure he covers werewolves as well. Fuck Twighlight - somebody, somewhere greenlight a Necroscope movie. (TV might be better though a la True Blood) Seriously people, read these books. Book 2 is pretty sinilar to Book 1 but it really kicks in in book 3. 4 is a bit disappointing but 5 & the Vampire World Trilogy are fucking amazing. The Lost Years and E-Branch Trilogy sren't half bad either! (And they all piss on the finale of Lost LOL)
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Jesus Tap Dancing Christ...It's been an entire DAY and you two assclowns are still rehashing your same points over and over. I appreciate you two proving my original post way back to yesterday, but try going outside where the big shiny orb is hanging in the sky for a while, okay?
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I think it would be interesting if the Tardis could disguise itself like it was originally supposed to. The blue Police box is iconic and should never be replaced but I'd like to see the Tardis change just once.
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Yeah, it's an old-school episode from 1985 but playing with the Chameleon CIrcuit has already been done.
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...Smith did a great bats one, too, but I suspect you already know that. Oh and one more on the Nazi zombie theme, though I think these are Nazi demons. The Devils of D-Day by Graham Masterton. So beautiful.
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Why do you hate fun?!
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...who writes this shit?
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Writers that got fired from Star Trek.
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imagine that
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Yeah, it should have been float my boat, but I think I like the phrase float my boar much better now. It gives such better visual imagery...
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Jun 27, 2010 6:12:05 PM CDT
Killik, I 'm not missing the point, I just think you're wrong
by doctortom
So, you don't like "magic boxes/wave of the magic wand" type things. However, you extol shows that take something and extrapolate what the consequence of that something is, and how else it might be applied. Babylon 5 was good for that. So, we have the Padorica. It's designed to keep the Doctor trapped inside and alive. Moffat extrapolates out that the field keeping the Doctor alive in it and restore them could restore other things. Powering it up with the energy of the exploding TARDIS is just a further extrapolation of this power. Not nearly as arbitraty as Q waving his hand and through quantum mechanics/technobabblery/ Iamofasuperiorracesoyoudon'tneedtounderstandthedetailsofhowIdoit-ery reorders the entire universe to give a happy ending. And Star Trek's supposed to be the harder SF show. (For that matter, a lot of the shows ended up with Technobabble Ex Machina to wrap up the problems.) They also established the exploding TARDIS through the season, so is that "lazy writing" or is that foreshadowing? I guess it's lazy writing on JMS's part to have them state that Babylon 5 was the last of the Babylon stations, and have flashforwards to it being destroyed. As to the 50 year old series where the Doctor says "you can't interfere in the timelines, not one bit" - that was true on early historical episodes, but in modern and "future" stories he did nothing BUT interfere with the timelines in the old series. They never explained how you couldn't change "history" when the present and future should have been "history" for him too. It was the new series that established that some things are fixed points in space and time and some aren't. Is it doubletalk? Perhaps, but it's a useful plot device to explain why sometimes he can change things and sometimes he can't. "hat is that? the DR explains that is is possible to rewrite history? no problemo then.but next time when someone dies,the DR should rewrite the history since its possible after all and save everybody each time they die.it worked the first time,why not all the other times in the forthcoming episodes? get my point?" They have established that it's dangerous for him now to cross his own timestream (Father's Day) for operating in a normal universe. I'm readily willing to admit that they played fast and loose here, but there's nothing wrong with saying "with a collapsing universe things are a little different" - as someone here pointed out the Doctor realized that when he saw Rory with the sonic screwdriver. Is it lazy writing? It's certainly a bit Bill and Ted, but it's nothing that hasn't happened to some extent before (go watch Battlefield where his future self left him a note). This is the type of thing the McCoy Doctor would have done. Is it lazy? You think so, I don't. Moffat worked the script enough to make sure things would fall right, and have the Doctor do the things he needed to in order to make it work out. That's not lazy. You seem to have the attitude that Moffat's a lazy writer, when there's plenty to disprove that. Eleventh Hour isn't the work of a lazy writer (for that matter, look at his stories in the first four seasons.) Jekyll isn't lazy, Coupling isn't lazy writing.
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Thanks! I wanted to put in line breaks but couldn't remember. Is that or (without the spaces)?
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It just occurred to me why Patrick
Troughton's Doctor was also referenced a lot during this series. At the end of the Second Doctor's trial, his companions (a male and a female) were forced to forget him. So, this was actually a brilliant "fix" because, this time, the male and female companions were able to *remember* him. Go, Moffatt! -
Killik has a valid point. He is just extremely selective about where he points it.
Doctor Who is scientific garbage - and it's no great masterful work of drama or fiction. But then, Star Trek TOS was a cartoon, TNG was a pompous piece of steaming crap, Lost was made up as it went along until it crashed into a morass of impossibilities...
And, in all cases, big deal.
Television Sci-Fi is a village of glass houses. If you have zombie Spock on remote control, you've got no standing to bitch about a smoke monster created by electromagnetic light. If you have a smoke monster created by electromagnetic light, you've got no standing to bitch about how a timelord shows up to give his screwdriver to a guy to free him so he can give his screwdriver to him. If you've got a Q, you've got no standing to call anything less science-fictiony than anything.
Let's face it, boys: it's all rot and candy.
But we all like our own candy.
Why don't we go about it this way:
1) Lost people explain scientifically how chucking a dead body into electomagnetic light creates a smoke monster that can shape shift and last 2,000 years. Otherwise, your show is nothing more than magic and senseless blather, so there you go.
TNG people, explain how Q does what he does in a rational, scientifically feasible way, otherwise he's Harry Potter in Space. Lets not even talk about the retarded Paklids, The people who speak using stories but have no words, except they use words to describe their stories, The singing robot being chased by the Gilbert and Sullivan twins in a shuttlecraft... Admit it: it's total junk.
3) Whovians, explain how the doctor managed to get out of the Pandorica, to give his screwdriver to Rory to get him out of the Pandorica. Otherwise its all smoke and mirrors.
Lastly... everybody explain whats so wrong with smoke and mirrors, as long as it makes you smile.
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But he'd never do Sci fi again.
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if the BBC met his price... which isn't bloody likely.
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Deal with it.
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please explain what humanism is and how the writers attempted to use it to mediate the faith vs science debate. Until then, frak off (which I say ironically, which you'll understand if you're really clever).
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that would have been really cool,just for a change.Ahd Stewart would have been a great choice,since he is talented,has presence and has experience in kicking the butts of god-like beings simply by using words every week.imagine what he could achieve if he used a sonic screwdriver.btw somewhere i read that Statham was considered as one of the choices for the rebooted series when they wanted to make the DR more like an action hero,using martial arts and all.that also would have been cool,a doctor using his punches and kicks to kick ass instead of his sonic screwdriver.it worked with the rebooted Holmes,why not with a new personification of the DR? who knows maybe this will happen,next time they reboot the series.
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tx for the pic.its very sensational.
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And then that Captain Gay show spin off Dr. Who had? Did anyone watch that?
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It is the philosophy that human beings must develop ethics and morals simply because they are ethical and moral, without belief in a deity to either punish or reward behavior.
As to what the writers did, they never used humanism to 'mediate' anything. They did transition the doctor from a stance of secular humanism to some form of predeterminism, which, according to Catholic Dogma could be seen as a step towards obeisance towards god and away from the pride of secular humanism.
Humanism and Theism is a different dog fight than Science and Theism.
That's what a degree in Philosophy gets you.
Since the Science debate is about construction and causation, and the Humanist debate is about morals and behavior, there's not much to mediate.
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I think you're a premise forward on humanism though.
Humanism is a human focused view of the world, which necessarily leads to the need to develop ethics and morals.
Also, the show never explicated any sort of God. There was no theism, which was part of their point in how they redefined faith humanistically. (Yes, I think it's a contradiction.) -
When The Doctor appeared at the wedding Rory remembered HAVING BEEN an Auton, but he isn't one anymore since The Reset Button© was pushed. Of course, he shouldn't have remembered any of that to begin with.
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Even at the end in the "church" there were many symbols for religion.
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Because he was made from Amy's memory and Amy remembered when he was an Auton, thus he would also have those memories. /EndofDebate
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Q himself has said in an episode that his race evolved into these beings in some point of their history.He said that although omniscient they dont know the nature of their powers.they just can do whatever they wish.This is not something that constitutes a drawback for the scientific foundation of the ST universe,because ST is not a show which limits itself in the exploration of only one aspect of humanity (the scifi aspect aka the relation between humans and technology),but focuses in all the aspects of it.and one of them is philosophy.and what is better than a GOD who plays games with the puny humans as a great way to tell stories which explore serious philosophical subjects?We dont care how GOD's powers work because we are really interested in the stories that come out using the character of GOD.its not a coincidence that many of the best ST episodes (both from TNG and TOS) are using such god-like creatures like Q or Trelane for they story purposes.Picard beat Q's ass every week simply using his intellect.no weapons,no technology,no magical boxes.his intellect and rationality.how friggin cool is that and what great stories can you make with that?Dr Who has also great episodes when similar beings are involved.The Dreamlord episode was a nice one,because the story focused less in mambo jumbo and more in the drama and the characterization.and the final solution didnt come using a screwdriver and a lot of technobabble but instead using your wits and your heart.So no Q,Trelane,the Dreamlord,Shutekh or the Devil in the Impossible Planet are not problems for the scifi aspect and the seriousness of a story because we dont give a fuck about the nature of their powers but rather their characters and the stories the create.But a box which in the last scene of a story are impossible prisons to escape from and the scene ends with a dramatic and ominous way while the prison encloses the dr,but in the next scene the box reopens releasing the doctor who got stuck in there how much? 2min?, and then suddenly the box also becomes a resurrection machine which opens easily from outside but not inside,it opens using dna from your hand which resurrects the person who is inside the box,who the person is also in a sleeping stasis so he can not get bored and ultimately the box contains also matter of the original universe which can recreate into a clone-universe,well that is totally a different matter than supreme beings.
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I'm trying to see it - especially in light of the final minutes of the episode. The use of a church - as opposed, frinstance, to a McDonalds - seems to be pushing the theist button heavily, the use of what certainly appears to be a version of purgatory as the flash-sideways suggests following a theist line (although doesn't nail it definitely to the church door), and the white light streaming through the church door to "The Other Side" is another strong que. And the name "Christian Shepard" was a little over-the-top suggestive.
I can't honestly remember whether God was brought up in the convo between Jack and his dad, but I seem to remember Something.
I think the difference between Humanism and Secular Humanism is the exclusion of God - it's a religion, in a way, all to itself. I certainly noticed that shift in Jack over the seasons.
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Seeing as how Jack saved the island by plugging up the light. Perhaps the people in the church in the flash sideways were trapped in the light source? Jack and Christian helped the Losties escape the light? I don't know.
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that Amy knows that Rory is an Auton.she does not even know that he is plastic,since she kisses him all the time without mentioning anything about that.and another thing.the memories are of Amy from the future.how did Amy of the past had the memories of Amy from the future? did she time-traveled her memories back to the past Amy when the original timeline collapsed and everyone died? oh and another thing that.does this mean that the rebooted DR has only the memories of this season,since he was recreated by Amy's memories? Has Moffat done an ala Abrams reboot in this series? i am just asking...
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The whole in-out Pandorum was a cop out. Does it bother me? Not much, because a) I didn't expect something remarkably, incredibly genius to erupt full blown in the hour they had to settle the hash, and b) it's not the first time I've seen that card played in TV sci fi. It got me through a rousing hour - as did Trek many, many times.
And Q is a problem, because he IS just magic. Him saying 'he doesn't know how' is no excuse. That doesn't explain anything. If he was Puss-in-Boots with a fairy wand in each episode, Q would have been the laughing stock of the series; giving him some half-wit explanation of "I am omnipotent, but nevermind how." is total cop out for using him as a hack writers tool.
The Q stories (not all of 'em - some, like Qpid, should never have been made) could have been constructed better without the divine aspect.
BUt, he was amusing, and some of the storys were... nicely illuminating. But they weren't great art, and if I was as critical of them as I should be critical of the Pandorum, all I've done is tightened my anus so much that I'm not having any fun with stuff anymore.
Nothing is perfect. God knows that MY Trek as incredibly hokey as it Almost Always was, is going into its 50th year. It lives despite of its hokiness. Because it's just fun. And that works for me, across most of the TV scifi stuff.
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...but LOST was trying to say it was. Have faith in people. (Likewise, the church and such was just a metaphor for faith, not God. They left the God question open. The flashsideways? Not purgatory, a metaphor for what you see on your death bed.)
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...because he shot her with a gun hand and then lived for 2,000 years protecting her.
She remembered the Doctor and Rory as their versions at certain points on the timeline, so thus they were recreated as those people (not her memories of them, but actually them, the memories just were a foothold used to find the actual person). -
Instead of believing in a deity, your worldview is anchored by the belief that there's not. Lately, especially, I've seen athiests rise up with twisted panties about how they are persecuted almost as often as the fundies do.
But, that's really just my opinion of the matter.
As far as deathbed, that supposes that none of the main cast was actually together in that last 5 minutes, and turns the show into a weird, existentialist... thingie.
There was nothing that The Island' had to do or wanted, there was no good or evil, all of the supernatural aspects become horrific episodes of writers trying to jazz up a castaway story... Jack lived, Jack died,
Jack went into the light. End. Everything in between was a tale told by an idiot - full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
If LOST stood in the end for nothing, then the entire series was a greater crime than the ambiguity of its final episode. In one instance, the final payoff wasn't given in full due - in the other, there was no payoff ever planned. -
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."which in other words it means: what makes you believe that your primitive mind could comprehend how Q's god-like powers work even if he tried to explain them to you? its like explaining to a primitive human,how a Ferrari works.so as you see its better to leave such explanations alone,it works better for the stories.and another thing.if you read my previous post more carefully you would see that i dont consider the Q episodes as scifi episodes,but rather as philosophical ones.
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Watch the scene again.Amy is killed and there is not a frame where she looks at his hand or at least gives us the impression that she knows what Rory really is.Even in the museum,there is not even a scene where she learns what Rory really is or even a scene where she gets surprised why he survived so many years.instead she keeps kissing him all the time like he is a real person and again there is no frame of her mentioning that he is plastic.the DR does say that Rory is an Auton but Amy was not present.if Amy was supposed to know about the real identity of Rory,at least there should a scene which addresses this.but as i already said,this episode is either badly constructed or badly written.
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They're your characters - do what you want with 'em.
There IS no Q. There is no Q Continuum. There's some guy - some primitive mind - who said, "Hey - lets have this guy with magical powers screw with the Enterprise!"
And the problem is, if you've given yourself carte blanche to create a character like that, you Can't Not Defeat him.
If the writers decided to, he could be allergic to ham sandwiches. If the writers decided to he turned into a were-paklid near a supernova. A character as advanced as Q was supposed to be Would Be unbeatable. Period.
Therefore, he was whatever the storyline needed to be so he Could be beaten. His loss, every single time, was determined before the first word was put on paper.
He was created to fail.
Therefore, he was a magical plot device that never really held any threat at all. He was a really, really poor writing decision. He made the crew look like idiots, and he was, through his supposed omnipotency, doomed to be defeated any time he came within scanner range. Because he wasn't allowed to use this omnipotency he supposedly had. He had to pop in, twirl his moustachios, and skulk away ultimately, shaking his fist. -
At least then DeLancy could have been arrogant with the chops - and the writer's permission - to succeed.
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Do some people turn it into a belief? Yes, but they're wrong. (There's also a difference between anti-religion and lack of a belief.)
The island can't do or want anything. It's an island.
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Amy and Rory had a whole conversation about him holding onto who he was after she saw all the Romans reveal they were Autons. Then, he shot her in the stomach with a laser beam. She's clearly very smart. I'm sure she understood.
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Something to anchor their worldview in - some starting point for their psyche.
I Believe God Exists. Therefore I do stuff that my religion tells me I should do to make him happy, and not mad, so he will take me up to hebben and pat my head and tell me what a good boy I have been. Because I believe, I believe people who do not believe in god are wrong.
I Believe God does not exist. Therefore I will do nothing to appease him nor recognize any aspect of life as his doing. Because I believe god does not exist, I believe people who do believe in him are wrong.
Lack of belief IS a belief. Neither side has ultimate, full, accountable knowledge of their verdict, therefore their decision is nothing more than that. And, without a belief, there is no basis for a person to decide that the counter opinion is wrong. Agnostics don't know what to believe. But Atheists most definitely believe.
From your point of view, an island can't want anything. Heck - I wouldn't disagree. But the writers of LOST - who I don't know - wrote the series from the point of view that perhaps in their fantasy reality, this one did.
Lions can't talk, but in Narnya, they do. Hobbits don't live underground, but in Middle Earth they do. "Everything that happened on the island, happened," said Christian. Smoke Monsters and Magical brothers and time travel and...
This stuff doesn't happen. But, according to the writers, it did on this island. So, who am I to say what the writers thought that this island wanted or not? It's their sandbox. -
This 2-part finale was a strong finish though. It was IMO the best episode since the first one. Everything in between has been just a tad off. That first episode with the new doctor worked well, then it just got strange and sort of silly and suddenly "cheap feeling". Things started to look up for me around "The Time of Angels" but then I didn't feel like the second part of that held up it's end of the bargain. "Vampires of Venice" was just complete shit and didn't really buy into Amy Pond enough to care about her in any of the subsequent episodes. I was kind of relieved when Rory went away as I never thought he worked well. Then around episode 10 it started to kind of come back together a bit. The last two episodes though really kind of saved the season for me. I'm not thrilled to see Rory back (or even Amy really) but maybe the writers will manage to make it all work a little better next go round. I thought that was really the weakest thing about this season overall. The writing wasn't up to what we've been getting from them since the show came back. Hopefully they've turned a corner on that.
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I could be wrong about this, but didn't Amy see Rory shoot the Dalek... twice?
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Celestial Toymaker, Master of the Land of Fiction, To a lesser extent Omega while he's in his antimatter universe, or the Dream Lord in his (limited) realm this season could qualify. (I wonder if Gaiman's going to play around with him next season). Usually they start out as this "all powerful" being then turn out to be a bit rubbish before it's all over. That said, deLancie chewing up the scenery would have been fun in the 80's. At the very least he could have snapped his fingers and put Colin Baker in a different outfit. His presence might have even salvaged Trial of a Time Lord.
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Vampires of Venice wasn't complete shit. The stag party scene was funny, and I liked the line about "my boys" at the end (reprised in the finale). So, that makes it mostly shit instead of complete shit. I did like overall the homo reptilia two parter (is it just me or was anybody thinking "it's a fat G'Kar" about the leader who was woken up - his attitude seemed to be Season 5 G'Kar to me). If nothing else, it made for a nice twist for the bit about "fixed points in time" to be brought up and then have it pointed out that that point was not one of them. But I'd agree that the first episode and the last two were the best.
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I've just started scratching the surface. I started DW at 4, ended after 5, went back to Trek and lost touch. I heard rumors of a new DW, and expected it to be (pardon me, guys) the same crappy British bugsuits with zippers and never bothered.
Somehow got clued to this new season, fell head over heels, and I've been immersing ever since. Slowly plodding through the original 1, most of the way through Eccleston (not bad - just a little too hitman), probably 20% through Tennant (who I think was pretty excellent as well) Most of the wait for the next season will be catching up with this old flame I let burn out.
Be jealous - I get to feast for a while on all the goodness you guys had to catch a show at a time. -
I meant DeLancie being Q-ey AS The Doctor. He'd be irritating as heck, but a fascinating incarnation.
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Belief is not needed to NOT believe in something. That's just a construct created by people who don't have the guts to just BELIEVE, themselves. Argue till the universe comes to an end and it'll still be a fact. Believers have spent centuries trying to convince people that non-believers are adhering to a set of beliefs, that science requires just as much faith as things that NEED faith in order to exist even as mythology. But they have and always will be incorrect. These are the same people who think "theory" means "we're not sure yet". That's hypothesis, for the record. Also, for the record, there are no "God theories". Only hypothesis. For it to be a theory, there has to be testable evidence or reproducible result. And when your hypothesis is updated regularly with things such as "oh, well, we can explain that... SATAN put that there to test our faith", you might want to stop looking in a scientific direction to prop up your belief system and just stick to blind faith. It makes a LOT more sense. And you'll get a LOT more respect for just having that faith. In other words, it's clear that if you try to argue for your particular mythology using what YOU loosely refer to as the scientific method, you're going to fall flat on your face every time. Because, well, people who have actually looked into such things have figured out that your "son of god, died, resurrected" (a lot of them on the same date, after the same number of days) myth is a fairly recent one and is pre-dated by several that are suspiciously similar to your own. Which one of the stooges was the one that always got poked in the eyes? No matter how many times he was fooled? Over and over and over? When it happened once, it was mildly funny. But when it happened those 4th and 5th times, and we as an audience could see it coming a mile away while he could not? COMEDY GOLD! That's why I've stopped being offended when people say "atheists believe" or "atheists have faith". Now it's gone beyond illogic and lack of reason. It's just humorous now. "Neither side has ultimate, full, accountable knowledge of the universe". Right. But one "side" has SOME. It's fairly safe to say it's "stacking up pretty nicely". And that's really the point isn't it? At least they're looking where the actual "stuff" is. Rather than relying on "satan put that there" and "but OUR myth is the right one" special pleading nonsense. Believe whatever you want, I'll happily stand back and respect it. But applying that unreasonable, illogical, zero fact-based nonsense to science to ACTUAL reality? You're just asking to be made a fool of. And most won't be so nice about it. Name calling and such.Here in the states it's turned into anyone with half a brain being looked at as an "elitist". People qualified to teach facts are seen as people with "an agenda". Even judges who cross the line and try to temper their judgment with some mercy and a bit of reason are looked at as "activists". If we're not careful, the special respect we reserve for certain religions, and not others, while looking at reality as a lesser thing than fantasy, we could find ourselves being dragged into another dark ages. Remember, we elected Bush. The man publicly spoke about biblical Armageddon during a middle east crisis. And he was the guy in charge. He's not alone in government. You can't be elected in an office higher than perhaps city council and be an avowed atheist. I say look at your own mess and start doing some self-reflection to figure out who exactly is in charge and who exactly has screwed things up as badly as they are now. Because it sure isn't the atheists. Hell, even the liberal Hollyweird everyone yaps on about all the time is chock full 'O believers. A little perspective is called for.A few atheists have decided in these last few years to NOT keep their mouths shut anymore and the result has been a WAY out of proportion backlash. With people who simply speak publicly of their atheism being called "evengelical atheists" and people who express actual opinions after mentioning their atheism are called "extremists". A man in my area purchased billboard space with a simple message saying "Are you good without God? Millions are." How did the public react to this "opposing belief system" (as you describe it)?? They claimed to be "offended" by it. If it was a billboard claiming a faith in a non-judeo-christian god, they could not and would not have been "offended". It would have been considered "hateful" or maybe even "hate speech" to express your offense. But if someone even suggests that we'd be "okay" without any god, it's offensive? Christians and people of other faiths who find such a thing "offensive" can no longer claim "intolerance". Face it, what most people want in the long run is for their particular mythology to be able to claim special public respect. And they want all denominations of their mythology to receive equal special public respect and lack of scrutiny/investigation. But fall a little out of those lines, and you lose that special respect. Ask a Muslim. There's no true religious freedom here in the states. There's judeo-christian religious freedom. Don't kid yourselves. If your religion is so "true" and "good", why can't you just believe in it and let it be? You spread your biblical morality around into the public sphere into laws and rights, all while avoiding taxes AND receiving special respect and freedom from criticism/parody/scrutiny. But when WE point that out, we are labeled "___ haters" and "intolerant". All while your religions ALL preach intolerance and hatred of all other religions. Something is seriously wrong with that picture. Why not just believe instead? Hey, YOU guys brought it up. So.. there ya go. Love you all anyway.
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...is how did the Tardis come back? The Doctor existed somehow beyond the crack, but the Tardis was destroyed.
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For someone who doesn't "believe" in something, you sure don't believe it pretty strongly.
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Heh. That's basically the equivalent of a guy pointing to two stacks of three prunes and saying "that adds up to six prunes" and another guy coming up and saying "those are PLUMS, idiot".
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Amy remembered the TARDIS back the way she remembered the Doctor back. In fact, it was the TARDIS that she remembered first because of the old wedding saying.
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I'm predicting that the TARDIS interior will be destroyed again for either the season 6 finale or for the Christmas Special 2011. I though I read that they're starting construction on the new BBC building for Wales that the shows produced there will move into, and that it will be ready for filming later in 2011 for shows that will start in 2012. Think there will be a new "desktop pattern" for the TARDIS interior when production moves?
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I'm not saying athiests believe in God - I'm saying that not believing Is a belief - with all the passion, ardor, and prickliness of any other belief.
Belief is a view of some great Truth that has been decided to be True for a person. Note the capital Ts.
They're there for that burning ardor you show. This isn't just an incidental thing for you - it's a Big One.
I respect your Truth. I may not share it - although it may salve you to know I don't share the churches version of 'Truth' either.
But both of you believe in your Truths - vehemently.
Look at that post up there; can you say that you could wind up that much exasperation around something that wasn't important to you? You Believe in Not-A-God. Bigtime, vociferously, absolutely positively.
If Jayemel once thought that lack of belief did not qualify as a belief, your post has pretty much illustrated my point.
But then, whats so wrong with your believing that, that you have to get all incensed? You don't believe in god. Perfectly fair belief to have; nobody's calling down an inquisition on you. As I said a few posts back, Athiests are getting as paranoid as the fundies that people are out to persecute 'em. (Don't) Believe on - all is well, and your path is your path. It's all good by me. -
Not believing is not a belief system. It does not require faith or belief to NOT think or assume something is there. You may apply passion to a large group of words, but trust me.. after all these years explaining this fact over and over, like I said.. it's just funny now. Hence my reaction to your response. There's still 6 fruit sitting there and you've focused on what fruit it is, acting as if I've overlooked something when it's actually not important. Do you see what I mean now? Literally for centuries people have tried to say that people who do not make a habit of believing in things without hard evidence are adhering to a sort of "belief system", when in fact there is none and none is required. BUT.. thinking this makes certain people comfortable. In the sense that they can claim an argument, which they could not claim if they admitted the truth. Lack of belief is not a belief. Peer-reviewed, reproducible results and double-blind studies don't require any faith or belief. That's why they work and why they carry more weight than something like "The devil put those bones there to test my faith", which requires a whole laundry list of other beliefs. There are scores of "things" in the universe that are NOT there, but exist in our imaginations. Some of them come into being not by faith or by trust or by belief (contrary to certain Pratchett stories), but by HOPE. Say.. the moon landing. Or the computer. The combustion engine. Nuclear energy. They were NOT and then WERE. They never once required faith or belief, contrary to some, but instead required hope. Then we came up with IDEAS, tested them, hoped they worked. When they did, they simply did. We don't have to believe in the combustion engine to drive our cars every day. But some of us seem to think we can't live our lives without believing that someONE created us. And that's fine. But the rest of us who do NOT believe, do NOT have faith, are not adhering to some magical, mysterious "non-belief" belief system just because as a believer.. someone just "says so". A non-thing is not a thing. And so goes belief. It's like saying non-trust is a form of trust. No it's not. It simply is not, even if you try to hope it into being so. Perhaps it's the mis-use of the word "system" that confuses people. Let's say we decided that people who trust no other people are actually trusting people because it's simply a different sort of "trust system". POPPYCOCK. And I'm still not incensed. You read into the text whatever you're feeling, but I've been over this with people for so many years, it honestly doesn't bother me anymore. You either get to it or you don't. My only feeling is hope. That you'll see what I'm getting at. It can be really upsetting to some people because it destroys their whole way of looking at non-belief, atheism and their resulting prejudices regarding them. They tend to stick to places where people who point out the cracks in their logic will be "taken care of" by moderators. Moderators who apply the same type of anger you seem to be applying to my text. Sometimes just because I type more than 3 or 4 sentences. MUST be angry. lol
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I don't ever point out any persecution that hasn't actually occurred. I may point out that certain things could happen. But as above, it's usually the type of thing that would effect ALL of us. Not atheists alone. Say, in the even we get another president that thinks the Apocalypse is going to happen in his lifetime AND controls middle east policy. That's not paranoia. That's just a bad idea.
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Well, it was a glorious, fun ride, but required the suspension of disbelief big time.
Great moments and one-liners were scattered throughout the episode, but the plotholes were bigger than the cracks.
I've watched it three times now, and even with the plotholes which become more glaring with every episode it was a great piece of entertainment. And that's the key. Doctor Who is not fantasy, it's not sci-fi, it's entertainment.
Problems?
1 Rory should have no memory of Plastic Rory as stated many times, but similarly Plastic Rory should have no memory of events after Amy starts travelling with the Doctor.
2 River shouldn't remember the Doctor, and if it is because there is another time-loop thing where she comes back in time after the Doctor is back to remind Amy, then the book should not have blank pages.
3 Adult Amy should not be waking up one day suddenly shocked her parents are alive.
But the biggest problem for me is not having the Pandorica as a Deus ex Machina, it's having the predestination paradox as the DeM. Whilst in Blink and The Doctor's Daughter this gave rise to a great story that made you think about such things, to have it used purely as an escape mechanism from a seemingly impossible problem is dangerous for the viewership.
Every time now that we have a two-parter or a climax I will half expect a Moffat-style predestination paradox solution.
One can only hope Moffat, despite his love for timey-whimey, will not use it at least in Series 6 and certainly not in the finale.
One was enough, but what a ride it was.
Oh, and the burn marks outside Amy's house? It seems obvious to me these were just burn marks by landing idaleks to prove to the reader part of the coalition had been there. -
I'm going off of the assumption that Amy's memory pulled the Doctor back from the other side the same way she pulled the rest of the universe and its history back from the other side of the crack, but the Tardis was a smoldering wreckage on the other side of the crack. The Tardis wasn't just pulled through the crack, it was the cause of the crack. Eh whatever, this paradox crap make my brain hurt.
Here's an interesting thought, what if the Doctor had continued to follow his own timeline backwards, if he had stayed around long enough to watch himself get completely erased from history would that mean that Gallifrey would be restored? What else might be undone? Remember, Earth had a memory of stars, so the Doctor's history would be intact right up until he stepped through the crack....YAAAGGHHH brain pain!!!! -
Kind of hard to read as not-a-rant, since it comes out looking like a breathless, nonstop outpouring of invective.
Let me dig this thing off the site and break it down into paragraphs so I can figure it out: I'm not at my most brilliant at 2AM.
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Your susceptibility to believing in things has possibly clouded your ability to notice when something like a "non-belief" belief simply cannot be, no matter how much you wish for it to. Is that a nicer, shorter way of putting it? It's not like you're alone. On the Internet alone, there are thousands if not millions of people who have also convinced themselves if it. But it's still about as plausible as a "non-trust-system" being a form of trust.
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No rush. 2 am where you are? It's 11:16 where I am and it feels like 2am.
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I watched the Van Gogh episode today, which I had been dreading, and actually, it's one of my faves! I really hate those BBC insider spots & skip them everytime, because, I don't want to watch them talk about the frickin' episode I am currently WATCHING! Ugh. I agree with whomever said this series started strong and was kind of meh, overall. Whilste I have great hopes for the finale, and like Matt Smith alot, and even think Karen Gillian is sexy as heck, I'm somewhat let down by the overall feeling of this series. Yes, I know I could bit torrent, etc. but I am Internet Handi-capable, ie, retarded.
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And get rid of the hot button words.
1) The Godbotherers are of the opinion that the whole holy trio is up/out/around there somewhere, and if they play nice they'll all go to a picnic together. This is a strong opinion - they consider it a fact.
2) Athiests are of the opinion that there ain't no holy grandpa waiting to dandle folks on his knee once they croak. This is a strong opinion. They consider this to be a fact.
In past posts, I have used the word 'belief' to refer to these strongly held opinions. Have I simply used a poor word choice in your view, or have I missed a subtlety - or not-so subtlety? -
Yeah, bittorrent is pretty much danger for the non-Internet savvy. So much fake stuff and malware out there. Some sites are serving up ads that try to get you to agree to hand your computer over to spammers, install malware, other horrible things. It's not worth it anymore. Hope you're able to get more out of the last few episodes when they finally air. I still don't get why they took that week off. It made no sense.
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I'm sure some atheists are of that TYPE of opinion. But me, I'm of the "show me or __ me" opinion. I'm not out there saying "your god doesn't exist.. nyeh nyeh nyeh". I'm out there saying.. Look around and pay attention to all of the God myths out there. There are far too many for my tastes. Enjoy them and I'll be over here waiting for one to show himself, thank you very much.Many would try to apply the "god doesn't exist" thing as an exclamation to atheism in general, while most of us are just saying "show me proof or I buy into YOURS about as much as I buy into the mental creation of this homeless guy over here praying to a mold colony he's discovered on an old slice of bread" That's not a belief system. A belief system would be going out there and walking up to christians or others and saying "I don't believe in YOUR God and I'm saying not only don't I believe, I'm going to go out on a limb as say that he isn't there, period."That, I would agree, is a belief system.. but only barely. Simply because that person is actively saying he knows a specific non-thing that has no proof to support it's existence, doesn't exist. There's a whole universe of things, gods, etc that are not there(and if they ARE all there,wow.. that'll be an interesting day I won't want to miss). All I'm saying is I will not say a specific one is there until he or she shows his or her self. And that's not agnosticism. That's just manners. Why single one out? I won't refrain from criticizing specific silliness. They bring that on themselves. But the judeo christian god doesn't exist any more or less than any other god that hasn't shown himself. If that's a belief system, the word belief would be so diluted as to lose its original meaning completely. Like trust would if non-trust were a trust system.
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Since I'm running out of steam.
The Godbotherers Truth and the Athiests Truth are at odds because both of them cannot be "True" at the same time. This causes friction, because one of them has to be dead wrong.
At the same time, it is impossible to fully rule out either position.
"God" could be roosting off in the 12th dimension, and the yokels in the beards and sackcloths couldn't grok that concept, so they pointed up. God can hide better than Bin Laden; sometimes, I hear, he needs a starship.
So this tension between truths is like the Hatfields VS the McCoys at Thunderdome; two truths enter, one truth leaves.
My point to Jayemel - replacing the religiously loaded term of "Belief" - is that both of these strongly held opinions, seen as Truths, are equal.
Both side sees their opinion/truth as absolutely correct and intractable:
One side says something Is One side says something Isn't
or, as I put it before:
One side Believes in God
One side Believes in Not-A-God.
The opinion that God does not exist is not "Not-an-opinion." It most definitely IS an opinion.
Thus my perhaps poorly chosen words, "Lack of belief Is a belief." It is not meant to imply some system of beliefs or dogma - simply that believing there is not a god is Not "not-an-opinion."
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It looks like we're getting there...
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330AM and the end of my broadcast day...
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very well said, I have had the same discussions with some of my very religious cousins, I wish I was as articulate as you.
To the point that its an opinion not to believe in god, you can say that about anything supernatural, in fact you can make something up right now, as the people did in regards to the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Of course no one can disprove that. Its a rediculous argument. What you can say with that argument is you can't disprove something that is not based in fact, its an argument you can make, just not valid for arguing for a specific supernatural belief.
With all of the philisophical arguments you basically have to take your specific "god" out of the equation. There is no more validity to any supernatural belief over another.
I like reason, I like living in a world where we know morality is not always black and white, where we get the best minds to look at an issue from all angles, discuss and make a choice, and remember that our choice is not absolute and may need to change (see slavery, women being treated as property etc).
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Nice to see Dr.Who being discussed here. Cant quite believe the hate some people have for the episode and the amount of effort gone in to pulling apart the 'plot holes'I for one dont give a monekys slapped behind about them. I was sold the moment the Dr appeared in a Fez holding a mop.Anyway, I havent bothered to read this debate about belief/non belief because its just the same boring debate rehashed again and again.All I will say is (and apologies if its already been mentioned) :-If you collect stamps, and u call it a hobby, and I dont collect stamps - is my 'not collecting stamps' a hobby? *logs out and doesnt come back to this talkback till christmas*
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Semantics. believing in a god is an *active* decision. Not believing in one is a passive one. Unless of course you were brought up to believe in one in which case all is reversed.
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And I like what lidless said there, much more compact. I can say very little with so many words and then someone sharper will come along and put it much more succinctly. Active vs passive.
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Very good points/thinking. Although I wouldn't describe how I look at things as a "not in god" belief or position. More a "not in what is not proven or at least THERE" position. But that's not really a position either, is it? More like a holding pattern. lolAnd it is SO nice to discuss religion with a nice person. Thanks. Hope you have a great day.
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in a Doctor Who talkback? Oh wait, they say that about dinner tables, don't they?
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The Doctor Who universe is a godless one. Or if it isn't, the god in that universe is rather insignificant. OR steps in and makes memory become matter, quietly, avoiding flash and grandstanding. I'll tell you what, though. If I die and run into this God fellow, we're going to have a long chat about this "not showing your face" or evidence of your existence thing. And if Pratchett is up there with me, we'll be discussing the difference between creativity, imagination and "belief". I just watched The Hogfather and The Colour of Magic last week and boy oh boy, bits of it really bugged me. In spite of the fact that I found them both highly creative, original, hilarious and entertaining. In the former he appeared to be pushing the idea that people (children in particular) would not me imaginative or creative without an established FRAMEWORK of mythology in place to get them started. I say not so.That said, wouldn't it be great to get Pratchett in for a little Who story creating, if not straight up writing? The man is brilliant and hilarious.
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http://tinyurl.com/3yljut9
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I really need to replace this keyboard. All the letters have rubbed off and there's a little of the hunt and peck left in my typing technique. And the keyboard isn't that old, either. I just POUND on the keys loudly. Always have. Probably always will.
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Sorry for going off topic there for a while. I brought it back though.
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Can't quite get my head round that one.
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...is a triumph than that IS startling! Call me when Doctor Who Babies is over...
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Jun 28, 2010 6:33:07 AM CDT
so, what was that warning voice-over heard in previous episodes
by 1st and only
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Most likely, it is a teaser that will be addressed in S6 (that is, if you're talking about the "silence will fall" voice).
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I don't think we'll know 100% about rory till next yr.If he is a reboot human then thats just plain stupid. It throws up all sorts of things about the universe and is the dr thereal doc or a facsimilie. It's just dumb writing.
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Good call - the Moff has stated that the Silence and the enigma that is River Song will be a big part of S2 (or S6, however you're keeping score), with the River Song story brought to a definite conclusion.
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I think she is more like a puppet. but who is the puppeteer?
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Jun 28, 2010 8:34:58 AM CDT
I'm hoping the sinister "Silence will fall" voice turns out to b
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For one thing, he (presuming it's a he) sounds a bit like the previous Omega from "Arc of Infinity" and Omega is a character that could potentially pull off such a huge masterplan. Oh, and the Silence that "falls" is probably River Song. (Hence the episode title "Silence in the Library" that featured River Song) So if that's the case, does her "fall" mean that she turns evil?
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Yay, subject cutoffs!
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That's why I posted it above earlier.
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That's why I posted it above earlier.
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I paraphrase as I was drunk when I watched the episode but - "I escaped. I love it whan I do that!"
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But that doesnt work, when exactly where the daleks wiped from time/existence exactly? They obviously didnt go through a crack otherwise they never would have existed and couldnt have been hanging around with Churchill.
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Here is how I understood it: Amy had been living by the crack in time most of her life. As a result, the parallel history/ies sort of "leaked out" and affected her. So it wasn't that the Daleks were necessarily wiped out, it was that she specifically could not remember them because that memory was replaced with the alternate history where everything disappeared (including the Daleks) except the Earth and the exploding TARDIS/sun. It was like living in two (or more) realities/parallel universes at once. Hence the duck pond without any ducks... in one reality it had ducks, in the other, it didn't.
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Moffat's entire season has been based on this forumla:
"Incredibly Complex Problem - A Miracle Occurs(Magic) - Everything is resolved."
Trying to resolve if Rory is a still a robot and if not how he has his entire life's memories etc is a waste of mental energy. You are putting more effort in then they did when they wrote the show!
As I said earlier, Magic is Moffat's Deus Ex Machina, he has used it to resolve situations multiple times in this season.
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Properly written, no one is ever purely evil or purely good. With how the Doctor was treated this year, I doubt they'd go strict villain with River. I'm guessing it'll be much more nuanced.
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The Timelords & Dilaks are back?
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yeah I suppose thats entirely possible, I kinda think the duck pond might be revisited later on, it seemed more important! Ha!
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I assumed, no ducks in the pond equals no family in Amy's life?
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and yes we put more mental energy for the series,than Moffat did when he wrote it.fuck it.
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"Rebooted" to what point? If we still had Timelords and Daleks running around then I'd have to assume that the universe was rebooted to before the entire Time War was locked, in which case we'd be looking at Chris Eccleston or possibly even Paul McGann. My impression was that the universe was rebooted back to just prior to Amy and The Doctor originally taking off together. Everything prior to that stayed the same.
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there is not even one frame where Amy see the Romans and figures out that they are robots,especially robots made out of plastic.She is just there looking at Rory and keeps crying.All the scenes involving the Romans or Rory as an Auton are without the presence of Amy.And even if Amy did learn that Rory is made of plastic,then where is the inevitable dramatic scene which address this matter? they did a lot of fuss with the robot scientist who tries to be human in the WW2 episode.But here nothing,zip,nada?And if it is a fact and not the fanboy's personal hypothesis,that Amy's memories recreate fully the lives of the people she knows instead of just being an anchor which brings back her missing persons from oblivion,does this mean that the DR,Rory and the rest of the universe have only the memories and the experience of Amy's 30yo life?Bad editing? Bad writing? Bad direction? exactly that.
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Jun 28, 2010 11:43:44 AM CDT
it was george mcfly who was murdered in back to the future 2..
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he was shot dead by griff tannen thus creating an alternative 1985.
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I think she'll be a force for good, but will cross the Doctor due to her comfort with taking life. And I'm not saying she's a cold blooded killer, I mean just in comparison to the Doctor. He'd do his best to avoid killing his greatest enemy, even if it meant his life was at stake. One of the frustrating yet admirable aspects of the character. And I love that kids look up to the him because human beings should strive for a world in which that's a viable alternative to the status quo... kill or be killed. Nice to know that there's a new generation out there that thinks this way. I hope the people who make the show realize what an impact they have, and a responsibility. I'm typically repelled by the whole "role model" thing because it usually comes off as insincere. There doesn't seem to be an atom of insincerity in the Doctor.
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I wish I could have lived in an alternative 1985. Mine sucked.
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I do really enjoy how we've been chasing missing ducks this entire season. :)
But I don't think it was any more important of a hint than Amy not remembering the Daleks, though I do think we'll get at least a brief mention of it next year... maybe they'll end up back in Leadworth, they'll walk past the pond, and the ducks will be there :) -
The Doctor going on about something at Amy, walking past the pond and without even a sideways look or pause , saying "oh.. look.. ducks" and then right back into the timey-wimey mumbo-jumbo. The camera barely even pausing on the ducks in the pond, if at all.
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The DR clearly states that there will be a Big Bang 2,a reboot of the universe which is logical since the Tardis destroyed the whole timeline,not just Amy's 30yo life.Moreover when he finally visits little Amy while he rewrites history,before leaving into the crack he says: "i will skip the rest of the rewinds,i hate repeats" which is a convenient way for time and dramatic purposes for the writer to skip all the crack-visits of the DR to his past life.Surely now for a masteful episode like this one,its a bit strange that many people who praise it,dont seem that they have actually understood what they have seen,is it not?
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I mentioned this before. Amy sees Rory shoot the Dalek twice. Rory points to his ear and says "trust the plastic" when he hears the voice in the TARDIS on the roof of the museum. When the Doctor bops into the TARDIS to bring River out of the time loop, she says something along the lines of "why is the plastic Centurion here?" and then goes on to talk about how she dated a Nesteen (sp?) duplicate and he had a replaceable head.
This is just the stuff I remember from watching the episode, there may be even more.
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they can even have it as a Dalek disguised as human.
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Exactly. Just like how people can come up with different interpretations of a painting. If someone doesn't understand a painting after seeing it just once, and if everyone doesn't come to the exact same conclusion, that means the painting was rubbish, right?
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Or he might not even say anything at all. They might just walk right past the pond, and leave it for people like us and Killik to notice the ducks.
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since its not literature,its not telling a story where events might contradict each other.you interpret the emotions,message,atmosphere that the painting might bring in your soul,by mostly using your emotions rather your mind.in other words your example was bad,try another one.
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I'm more or less thinking that rebooting the universe means exactly what it says. It was rebooted and began "replaying" from the very start. Obviously there were Time Lords and Daleks and fuck-all else just like the first time around. Following BB2 time played out exactly as before right up to Amy's wedding day when she woke up. I read that as meaning that the night before was when the cracks closed and the Doctor disappered (for less than 24 hours until Amy remembers him). Prior to that he must have existed because if he didn't then who (npi) did all the things he's done since the beginning of the television series. Invasion after invasion with no Doctor to oppose them and yet we're supposed ot believe that we end up in a world that's exactly like the one that was sitting there with him in it? Nope, simply can't buy it. Rory is also clearly human Rory and not plastic guy with a gun in his hand Rory. If we're at the day of their planned wedding then he's never "ceased to exist" because he's never "really" set foot in the Tardis much less gone anywhere. He, Amy, and the Doctor all remember those "adventures" but they technically haven't happened yet and most of them won't because the cracks are closed/gone. That's how I understood what I watched and if it doesn't jibe with what you saw that's cool. I enjoyed it.
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....Which is more than I can say for most of the season but hey, I have high hopes for next year.
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My expectations and hopes for this series might have been a little over-inflated, but I still loved it. Truly loved it. I think it took a while for everyone involved to settle into the new Doctor, even the audience. I expect the next series to be much, much better. I just hope they realize what a huge thing they have and don't hold back with the budgets again though. The Mill could use a raise in my opinion. And better resources, more time.
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See you all later.
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Or rather, the painting equivalent of a plot hole. Paintings are done by humans just as stories are written by humans, so they contain mistakes, or rushed and brushstrokes, as well. The reason I used this as an example is this: rarely is the message spelled out, and some people will understand it and others will always just sit and stare wondering what the fuss is about. That doesn't mean one person is right and the other wrong, or that the painting is horrible because it didn't just "spell it out". Art affects people differently. What you call "plot holes", other people seem to have no issue with, because they understand the overlying story and aren't going to get bogged down in what amounts to unimportant details (kind of like an errant brushstroke won't necessarily ruin a painting) or they were able to come up with a scenario that explained it perfectly (thus making the episode, in a way, theirs). If you don't like it, that's fine, but that doesn't make other people stupid or "wrong". Anyways, I digress.
My point was that just because people are still trying to figure out the episode does not automatically make it bad, as you were saying ("Surely now for a masteful episode like this one,its a bit strange that many people who praise it,dont seem that they have actually understood what they have seen,is it not? [sic]"). There have been several movies, some of my favorites actually, that I had to watch two, three, or sometimes more times before I could finally "get it". I still thoroughly enjoyed it the first time through. I'm not saying that this is what happened with Pandorica Opens/Big Bang... I "got" without needing another viewing (though it was helpful). But obviously some other people didn't, and require a little bit of "chewing it over"... and I'm not going to belittle them for that. -
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a painting and not about the content of the painting.Techniques are a subject of objective criticism,not personal interpretation.a badly drawn painting is a badly drawn painting,a plumber doing a bad job in your home's plumbs is a plumber doing a bad jog in your home's plumbs.there is no room for misinterpretation there.Now about DR.its not that people have not figured it out yet.its that people have already figure it out (thus the praising) but strangely enough each one of them perceived the happenings of the story in an entirely different way.ie they are people who think that Rory was always a robot.i dont know about you but if a major character in a series is mistaken for something entirely else,is it not a hint of a failure from the writers part to clarify his character to the audience? unless you believe that the audience are stupid for now understanding what the character is.River Song is a mysterious character,its supposed to be interpreted by the audience the way they want,thats its purpose right now.so there is no problem with that.even when you see her in the end of the episode remembering everything and helping the DR to be brought back,again you dont mind how she did that because you dont really know who she is.its like what i said about the Q and all those supreme beings which you dont mind about their real nature,as long as they contribute to the story in their own way.The same with Song,she did her part in the finale,we dont know how she did it,but we are not supposed to know,not until the next season anyway.so as you can see,personally interpreting the nature of a character who is supposed to be mysterious and unknown,and mistaking the identity of a well-known,established character are two completely different things.and for the mistaking i consider responsible the writer and not the IQ of the audience.
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has the memories of Amy implanted in him? When the DR rewrote the history,he didnt rewrote the destruction of the universe part we witnessed in the finale 2part,so why he should rewrite Amy with the memories of that part? and why Rory should have them too since he is the real Rory not the robot so who gives a fuck if he had them or not at all? nothing of this makes any sense,even if it does not lead into a plothole. you gotta love the Moff and his fans.
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but I tend to think a reboot and not the destruction of the universe is what the "big bad" wanted, maybe even needed to exist, which would probably be an Omega thing. I feel like a masterful enemy in the background that hasn't been revealed probably had some kind of victory to be considered a big threat down the road. It also gives the writers an open ended universe, where they can feel free to change or bring other things back as they wish and blame it on the big bang.
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This is your big chance to prove to me that I am wrong about you :Countless people have now rebutted your argument that Amy did not know that Rory was an Auton.So can you please just simply admit , in words of one syllable that they were right.Go on, just once, accept somebody elses valid argument.
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the meddling monk?
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Brookmyre is a god. I haven't had a chance to re-read his books because my hippy daughter pinched them and lent them to all of her hippy friends but I'll be getting them back !!!One Fine Day...."Don't fuck with the English teacher"...lolA very similar writer in some respects is Colin Bateman from Northern Ireland. A few of his I have read and can recommend are:Orpheus RisingI predict a RiotMystery ManBelfast Confidential
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Apparently they left a message before leaving Earth saying, "So long and thanks for all the bread".
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not a goddamn single scene where Amy acknowledges,in a dramatic way, that Rory,you know her love,is a goddamn robot.Yeah she cries,yeah she know she sees him shooting with his hand but where does she show her reaction to him for being a robot? nowhere.Its simply thrown there,like when Song calmly says that the DR lied for being dead,after avenging him by killing the Dalek.its just thrown there.btw where is the scene where she calls him plastic centurion?and if the hypothesis,because that it is,of the fans is that Rory was recreated based on Amy's memories,does this mean that the DR now has only the memories of this season? yeah the domino effect,i know,you try to fix a mess and you find yourself into a bigger mess.
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Neat side stepYep there was no overt recognition from Amy that Rory wasn't human. Maybe the fact that she saw that he had guarded her for 2000 years overcame this. Maybe it was ditched for time.But that wasn't the point you originally made was it.?
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as long as they stop using 2.0 from now on.
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is like a fever/antibiotic/cough syrup nightmare. (might as well say it here)
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Don't you think he and everyone else would have been a bit curious on why he was plastic before the Doctor was re-remembered? Do you really think Amy had been banging a life size GI Joe/Action Man and not been a little perturbed? it just doesn't make sense for him to be plastic and the universe not know why? the cracks never happened so Rory was never deleted so he didn't have to be built from memories. How he comes back from being shot is a different matter, maybe without a crack the Doctor isn't distracted so he doesn't get shot and he gets to appear on the grassy knoll with Amy again
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ROFL!!
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Who supposedly destroyed the Dilaks and put the time lords in some bubble. But the doctor was never there until Amy brought him back during the wedding.
I wouldn't be surprised The Timelords blew up the tardis.
This is a good was to fix the mess the previous showing runner made too.
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"you are talking about the techniques used to make a painting and not about the content of the painting."
You need to take an art class, hun. There are techniques in story-telling, there are techniques in painting, and they have EVERYTHING to do with the content of the final product. You could have the best idea for a painting ever but if your brushstrokes don't match that level of genius, the whole thing will fall apart. Same thing with stories. You could have the best idea for a story ever but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to tell it.
"its that people have already figure it out (thus the praising) but strangely enough each one of them perceived the happenings of the story in an entirely different way."
So you didn't mean it when you said "dont seem that they have actually understood what they have seen"? Actually, for the main story, everyone has pretty much interpreted it the same way. It's the details that people are interpreting differently, but that's not a new concept when it comes to TV, movies, or any other form of storytelling. And it's certainly not a BAD thing! *LOL*
"i dont know about you but if a major character in a series is mistaken for something entirely else,is it not a hint of a failure from the writers part to clarify his character to the audience?"
It seems to me that anyone still questioning whether he is a robot or not missed certain key parts (not judging), and that has since been cleared up. We also don't know if this will be further addressed next year.
",and mistaking the identity of a well-known,established character are two completely different things."
I don't agree that he's well-known and established. He was in about as many episodes as River was this year. He's just... simpler than River.
"When the DR rewrote the history,he didnt rewrote the destruction of the universe part we witnessed in the finale 2part,so why he should rewrite Amy with the memories of that part? [...]and why Rory should have them too since he is the real Rory not the robot so who gives a f [sorry I'm at work] if he had them or not at all?"
I don't see how whether we care or not is pertinent, but I think this was pretty well covered in previous episodes and also by other TBers. Nothing is ever truly lost. When history is changed, there are always wisps of the alternate reality created by it that people catch onto (like Richard Dawkins and the stars). When Amy remembered the Doctor, it was like gripping it, tearing it wide open, and letting all of that back in. Why wouldn't Rory remember the Doctor? Auton Rory and Human Rory were really the same. He wasn't just programming, he had his soul, as well (briefly explained, but I don't remember if it was the first or second part). But really, honestly, even if that weren't the case, that's a pretty small gripe to condemn the whole thing on. As I've said many times, if you didn't like it, that's perfectly fine. You don't have to. I'm not sure why you feel the need to spend so much time arguing about it, and all due respect, I only had the time to write this because it's been so slow at work today, so I think this is going to be it for me. -
Not quite, he was not erased completely from history as evidenced by Amelia's imaginary friend and the Doctor doll still in her bedroom. I think his history was erased only after that point, the point at which he entered the crack voluntarily.
BUT I think you should be right, everything that happened after that point in time should effectively be erased, hence no Time War and no dead Gallifrey...of course that would also mean no 9th, 10th, or 11th Doctor either...so yeah none of this makes any sense at all...dammit. -
Her "love", the human Rory, died. When he returned, just a short time later she finds out he's not the "real" Rory, but a Nesteen (sp?) duplicate (oh, and Roman, apparently). Considering when her memories flooded back, the last thing she would've remembered was him being dead (as a human) it's not really that surprising that she's not too emotionally upset and shocked that what is in front of her is not really Rory. Plus, with TARDISs exploding, coming back from the dead, Daleks on the loose, the universe being wiped from existence, and so on and so forth, she kind of had more pressing issues. Were I in her shoes, I probably would've stuck it on the back burner, too.
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Who' Christmas script goes missing?
Monday, June 28 2010, 17:12 BST
By Morgan Jeffery
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The script for the forthcoming Doctor Who Christmas special has reportedly gone missing.
According to the Daily Star, filming for the special "has been thrown into jeopardy" by the loss.
Executive producer and lead writer Steven Moffat is said to be "facing a race against time to create a new draft before filming commences next month".
Moffat also allegedly revealed that the episode would be "a flashback Christmas special."
The final episode of the programme's fifth series aired on June 26. A new series is expected to follow the Christmas special in 2011.
It was previously revealed that past Who writers Paul Cornell and Tom MacRae may be returning for the show's sixth series.
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If Rory were still an Auton, do you think Amy would be bothered by having a sentient fully functional sex toy around? (It's supposed to be a complete duplicate....)
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I did some research on this on a hunch. If you do a search for the history of the name "Rani" you'll find a lot of references to the Sanskrit origin meaning "Queen" But... if you look harder, you'll find a HEBREW origin of the name. And the name "Rani" in Hebrew's origin means 'My Song'
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we have to wait another year for dr who to return. thats too long. but i do get the feeling that christmas special could be smiths last. analog gets switched off in 2012. and braodcasting house is for sale or going to be put up for sale..... and in ireland analog is going to switched off that same year. and we dont have a plan. just a system that is going to be shoved down our throats. by the greens. and large swathes of the countrys will have no access to tv at all.
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She's not the Rani. The Rani was a biologist Time Lord. River Song is an archaeologist. River Song is actually Bernice Summerfield wearing a perception filter. RTD certainly wouldn't have let River Song be the Rani (if nothing else, the Time Lord Prophecies would have been pointing out more than 2 Time Lords surviving the Time War). There also hasn't been any hint of her having been the Rani and subjecting herself to a chameleon arch a la the Master. She's Moffat's creation, it's more likely that she was a Time Agent than her being the Rani. Actually, it's more likely that she's Captain Jack after having had a sex change operation. (That's why he can't remember two years of his life; the Time Agency didn't want him remembering being a woman.)
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The transition here was drawn out, but it worked. People are still catching up a bit, but for the most part we are transitioned. The converter boxes were relatively cheap even if you didn't get the govt coupon. There will be handfuls of people who just refuse and decide to go without TV, but it will not be huge numbers. Most of them will probably find a way to fork over the 40 dollars(equivalent) and get a converter or will use it as an excuse to finally get a new TV.
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Frustrating.
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.. LOL! No I didn't. What kind of wanker sticks around that long? They usually just end up bonking the best friend anyway. A "gentleman" knows his worth and has self-respect.
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That was my mildly douchey evil twin.
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Your argument is completely without merit. Just because one character was a biologist doesn't mean they can't pick up archeology. It also goes to say that the Chameleon Arch could have TAUGHT her all she needed about archeology. It being Captain Jack with a sex change is just dumb too.
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RedEgiraahgnal Posted This On The Favourite Geeky Thing I've Seen Today TB http://tinyurl.com/2fcqpgc Serious Piece,Big Up That Talkbacker,Fair Play :>
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It's just very, very unlikely and would make hundreds of thousands of straight male fans feel very twitchy for a while.
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That was great!! Thanks so much!!
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the sense of the whole thing, the massive crowd, the history of it all and him at center stage... until right before the end. You can see him standing there with a look of awe on his face. Hilarious. Was waiting for a loud "GERONIMO!!!" that never came. But still, massively cool video.
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somewhere. I'll have to dig them out and rip them finally.
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Lovely seeing you all again. Chat later.
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Jun 28, 2010 10:01:35 PM CDT
KerrSG1, if your reasoning is "good" I'll be happy with "bad"
by doctortom
The mention of Captain Jack was just to underline how remote a chance it is for River Song to be the Rani. She isn't. She's her own character, one that Moffat came up with. Not everyone popping up in the series is going to be someone who has shown up before. Making River Song the Rani would be BORING and horribly anal retentive. Most of England would go "who?" and wouldn't get the reference. To them it could have as easily been "third Time Lord from the left in the crowd scene on Gallifrey" if it's revealed she's a Time Lord. Those that did would go "why?". It adds absolutely nothing to the character and actually detracts from her. Moffat's not stupid; he wouldn't do that to a creation that most people (including him) like. He'll be looking to build on the character. Having a character meeting the Doctor in reverse order is interesting enough, it's devolving into fanwank of the lowest order to try to connect her with the Time Lords that way.
Also, if things work with the new series like they did for the old series, Moffat has rights to River Song. If it were the Rani, he gives up the rights. It probably doesn't play into it much, but it could be in the back of his mind. Another thing, we haven't seen him interested in all the Gallifrey minutia fanwankery that comes with theories like yours. He doesn't seem interested in playing in that field. If you haven't noticed, he's much more interested in the 50th century (give or take 1 or 2). Captain Jack is from there, the ship stuck in space in Girl in the Fireplace is there, River Song is there, the Library is there, the Byzantium is there. If anything, expect Moffat to expand on the 50(ish)th century more instead of trying to milk Gallifrey some more.Disclaimer: Omega doesn't count since he's not just a time lord; he's one of the original exiles stuck in a black hole. There's far more potential with him than with the Rani. Having the Rani again would be like having the Doctor go to Gallifrey again to face yet another trial - been there, done that, got the t-shirt and fez. -
my original point was how on earth Rory knew that he was a plastic robot? someone said that he knew it because he was recreated by Amy's memories.I said amy didnt know that he was a plastic robot.someone else said that she saw him shooting lasers,living 2000 years etc.and i say yes she saw these things,but is there any scene where she acknowledges him as a plastic robot? no.because as well she could think of him as an alien or the 6m dollar man.now i asked when is the scene where she calls him a plastic centurion.i didnt get any answer.but lets say i was wrong and she clearly knows that he is a plastic robot.ok i was wrong.does this mean that the doctor has only the memories of this season since the logic of the fans used to fix the plothole for Rory knowing that he is a robot,dictates just that? again no answer.bye bye.
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"You need to take an art class, hun."already did.artistic photography and cinema.NEXT. There are techniques in story-telling, there are techniques in painting, and they have EVERYTHING to do with the content of the final product. You could have the best idea for a painting ever but if your brushstrokes don't match that level of genius, the whole thing will fall apart. Same thing with stories. You could have the best idea for a story ever but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to tell it.wait wait.so what you are really saying is that if a tv episode story has ie plotholes or overuse of deus ex machina which are story techniques, then its valid to say that the final product is not that good regardless its general feeling,message,appeal,content.BINGO.tell that to the guys above whose main argument against my criticism of the episode,is that its a kid's show thus its narrative flaws should be taken lightly and that what matters is the final story and not how this story is told.thanx for agreeing with my point.:)"its that people have already figure it out (thus the praising) but strangely enough each one of them perceived the happenings of the story in an entirely different way."So you didn't mean it when you said "dont seem that they have actually understood what they have seen"? Actually, for the main story, everyone has pretty much interpreted it the same way. It's the details that people are interpreting differently, but that's not a new concept when it comes to TV, movies, or any other form of storytelling. And it's certainly not a BAD thing! *LOL*the whole resurrection of the main characters and the whole universe is a minor detail? the way of how the dramatic scenes were handled is a minor detail? "i dont know about you but if a major character in a series is mistaken for something entirely else,is it not a hint of a failure from the writers part to clarify his character to the audience?""It seems to me that anyone still questioning whether he is a robot or not missed certain key parts (not judging), and that has since been cleared up. We also don't know if this will be further addressed next year."so its the audience's fault and not the writer's.ok",and mistaking the identity of a well-known,established character are two completely different things."I don't agree that he's well-known and established. He was in about as many episodes as River was this year. He's just... simpler than River.so maybe after all he is really a plastic robot,since he is not well established and well known.see what you did there just now? :)"When the DR rewrote the history,he didnt rewrote the destruction of the universe part we witnessed in the finale 2part,so why he should rewrite Amy with the memories of that part? [...]and why Rory should have them too since he is the real Rory not the robot so who gives a f [sorry I'm at work] if he had them or not at all?"I don't see how whether we care or not is pertinent, but I think this was pretty well covered in previous episodes and also by other TBers. Nothing is ever truly lost. When history is changed, there are always wisps of the alternate reality created by it that people catch onto (like Richard Dawkins and the stars). When Amy remembered the Doctor, it was like gripping it, tearing it wide open, and letting all of that back in. that contradicts what other tbackers said.that the lives are re-created by Amy's memories with their full details,re-created not just pulled back from oblivion.you see thats my whole goddamn point.not that you cant explain to me what happened to the episode,but that even you right now,you use your own theories in order to fill the plotholes of the story,which are different from other theories other fans use to fill the same or different plotholes.if this is not evidence that something is wrong with the storytelling of the story,what is then? you yourself just now made up an explanation (because thats what you did) which as you say is stated in the episode but for some strange reason other fans give differents explanation for the same subject which they also claim that they are stated in the episode !! wtf?Why wouldn't Rory remember the Doctor? Auton Rory and Human Rory were really the same. He wasn't just programming, he had his soul, as well (briefly explained, but I don't remember if it was the first or second part). But really, honestly, even if that weren't the case, that's a pretty small gripe to condemn the whole thing on. As I've said many times, if you didn't like it, that's perfectly fine. You don't have to. I'm not sure why you feel the need to spend so much time arguing about it, and all due respect, I only had the time to write this because it's been so slow at work today, so I think this is going to be it for me. I didnt condemn the episode because of the Rory plothole.i didnt even write about that in my first post.but its a nice example i like to use to show to people that what they are really doing is to make things up which ultimately differ between them although they are supposedly explaining the same thing !! you yourself did just that in your previous paragraph.get my point.and please dont start telling me about personal interpretation.we are not talking about who River Song is.we are talking about things that were STATED,thats the word you yourself used,in the episode's story.thats all.
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"You need to take an art class, hun."already did.artistic photography and cinema.NEXT." There are techniques in story-telling, there are techniques in painting, and they have EVERYTHING to do with the content of the final product. You could have the best idea for a painting ever but if your brushstrokes don't match that level of genius, the whole thing will fall apart. Same thing with stories. You could have the best idea for a story ever but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to tell it."wait wait.so what you are really saying is that if a tv episode story has ie plotholes or overuse of deus ex machina which are story techniques, then its valid to say that the final product is not that good regardless its general feeling,message,appeal,content.BINGO.tell that to the guys above whose main argument against my criticism of the episode,is that its a kid's show thus its narrative flaws should be taken lightly and that what matters is the final story and not how this story is told.thanx for agreeing with my point.:)"So you didn't mean it when you said "dont seem that they have actually understood what they have seen"? Actually, for the main story, everyone has pretty much interpreted it the same way. It's the details that people are interpreting differently, but that's not a new concept when it comes to TV, movies, or any other form of storytelling. And it's certainly not a BAD thing! *LOL*"the whole resurrection of the main characters and the whole universe is a minor detail? the way of how the dramatic scenes were handled is a minor detail? "It seems to me that anyone still questioning whether he is a robot or not missed certain key parts (not judging), and that has since been cleared up. We also don't know if this will be further addressed next year."so its the audience's fault and not the writer's.ok"I don't agree that he's well-known and established. He was in about as many episodes as River was this year. He's just... simpler than River."so maybe after all he is really a plastic robot,since he is not well established and well known.see what you did there just now? :)"I don't see how whether we care or not is pertinent, but I think this was pretty well covered in previous episodes and also by other TBers. Nothing is ever truly lost. When history is changed, there are always wisps of the alternate reality created by it that people catch onto (like Richard Dawkins and the stars). When Amy remembered the Doctor, it was like gripping it, tearing it wide open, and letting all of that back in." that contradicts what other tbackers said.that the lives are re-created by Amy's memories with their full details,re-created not just pulled back from oblivion.you see thats my whole goddamn point.not that you cant explain to me what happened to the episode,but that even you right now,you use your own theories in order to fill the plotholes of the story,which are different from other theories other fans use to fill the same or different plotholes.if this is not evidence that something is wrong with the storytelling of the story,what is then? you yourself just now made up an explanation (because thats what you did) which as you say is stated in the episode but for some strange reason other fans give differents explanation for the same subject which they also claim that they are stated in the episode !! wtf?"Why wouldn't Rory remember the Doctor? Auton Rory and Human Rory were really the same. He wasn't just programming, he had his soul, as well (briefly explained, but I don't remember if it was the first or second part). But really, honestly, even if that weren't the case, that's a pretty small gripe to condemn the whole thing on. As I've said many times, if you didn't like it, that's perfectly fine. You don't have to. I'm not sure why you feel the need to spend so much time arguing about it, and all due respect, I only had the time to write this because it's been so slow at work today, so I think this is going to be it for me." I didnt condemn the episode because of the Rory plothole.i didnt even write about that in my first post.but its a nice example i like to use to show to people that what they are really doing is to make things up which ultimately differ between them although they are supposedly explaining the same thing !! you yourself did just that in your previous paragraph.get my point.and please dont start telling me about personal interpretation.we are not talking about who River Song is.we are talking about things that were STATED,thats the word you yourself used,in the episode's story.thats all.
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is fucking awesome.tx for posting it.
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Jack or anything else.Song is Moffat's baby and he is not stupid to connect her with RTD's storylines/characters or with the classic series for which the general modern audience doesnt give a fuck anyway.I am pretty sure that Moffat will play the 'who River Song really is" game with important characters introduced in the next season,rather with characters of the past.i dont even think that he had already decided who River reallky was when he wrote this season last year.its something that he is planning it now.
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Jack or anything else.Song is Moffat's baby and he is not stupid to connect her with RTD's storylines/characters or with the classic series for which the general modern audience doesnt give a fuck anyway.I am pretty sure that Moffat will play the 'who River Song really is" game with important characters introduced in the next season,rather with characters of the past.i dont even think that he had already decided who River reallky was when he wrote this season last year.its something that he is planning it now.
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he's a good writer, he can put together a tv episode (unlike RTD), but he doesn't have any new ideas. it's always the same shit: childhood fears (statues, shadows), "everybody lives", and time travel (especially "you'll meet this chick in the future but she's already met you"). him and RTD made a great team I think
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Did they ever explain why Amy (or anyone else) didn't remember the Dalek invasion and earth being transported to another galaxy, beyond the fact it was a shit story and deserved to be forgot?
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When they showed Amy's doctor Dolls and Matt Smith was there and when they panned over there was a David Tennant doll...that was cool..I loved this season..i thought they could have tightened some episodes up and removed a lot of the CG work..but man this was the best season of doctor who in my opinion only because each episode had rewatch value.
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Jun 29, 2010 6:35:01 AM CDT
The more you analyse the finale, the more 'cracks' you find...
by madmarek
Unfortunately if you try to analyze this episode and find a logical explanation which makes sense, you’ll discover how badly written it was.
Why did the destruction of the TARDIS destroy the universe? There’s more than one TARDIS and I’m sure some must have ‘blown up’ before quite safely. The episode does hint that we ‘might’ get an answer to this next season.
If the universe was destroyed why is it 2000 years later the Moon and the Earth is in one piece? We are given the quick one liner “We are at the eye of the Storm” which makes no sense, the universe explodes within seconds of the TARDIS exploding yet two thousand years later the eye of the storm is still there.
How is the TARDIS providing solar energy for Earth? We are given the quick explanation that the TARDIS is in a time loop as a safety precaution. OK fair enough but when we see the time loop in action it resets just before it actually explodes. So there should be no sun, or at the very least this ‘false sun’ should disappear and reappear every few seconds to represent the beginning and end of the Time loop.
Is Rory still a robot made of plastic or not? If not how did he become human again and how is it he has his whole life’s memories and not just the memories Amy has? This is a biggy and yet we are simply given the explanation that Amy is special due to the crack in the wall letting all sorts of stuff from the universe into her head. A magic solution.
How did the Doctor return after being wiped out of existence? Again, special Amy did it – magic!
If the Doctor was wiped out of existence, why is it the Earth is exactly the same and not been taken over by aliens a zillion times? Errrr….magic?
Why is it even before all this occurred, Amy did not remember the Dareks, Cybermen or anything? The real reason is Moffat wanted a clean slate to start on. The reason given in the program? I don’t think it ever was. I suppose the cracks could have wiped them all out of existence but this was never stated. Now reality has been restored will Amy remember the various Invasions Tennant and Eccleston countered? Somehow I doubt it, Moffat went to great lengths to wipe out the last five years of Who so now he’s free to do what he wants.
If you look at this entire season of Who there’s moments when Moffat treats the audience like idiots and hopes they buy it.
How did they manage to retrofit a squadron of Spitfires to fly and fight in space in about 10 minutes? How did they manage to talk a cyborg out of blowing itself up and why did they let it run around free on Earth waiting to explode one day? Why didn’t the doctor notice the Space Whale was playing with the children when they’d spent two episodes showing how observant he is? Why is it the Primary Angel who can move so fast if you blink you are dead become the Angel who moves so slow Amy could look away and live and then later fool it by ‘pretending’ she could see and later took an age to get to the Doctor when it said it was on it’s way when talking through the dead soldiers voice?
Exactly how did the Doctor manifest not only the Dreamlord but two false alternate realities? We are given a very quick explanation it was due to a bad trip caused by some space seeds. WTF?
How did they gather loads of recording devices and place them all around the village in less than 10 minutes?
Since when can the Doctor impart memories via a head butt?
These are just the questions I can remember off the top of my head. There were a lot more which came to mind as I watched the episodes. Don’t’ get me wrong on the whole I really enjoyed this season of Who, I just think there’s a lot of people out there under the delusion that Moffat’s Who is leaps and bounds above RTD yet he uses similar themes and ‘magic’ scenarios where RTD would have used a Deux Ex Machina. Moffat is far from perfect and treats the audience like silly children sometimes when he’s got a plot hole to solve. He either doesn’t, or comes up with a nonsensical solution.
I still believe the best Who we’ve ever seen was when RTD and Moffat worked together.
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Fun bollocks but bollocks all the same. Bring on christmas 2010 :D
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If the TARDIS is in a time loop and resetting at the point of the explosion why is the Universe destroyed? The TARDIS never actually explodes! At the very least the Universe should reset and be destroyed every few seconds.
We certainly shouldn't have seen 2000 years of 'uninterrupted by time loops' evolution on Earth!
How did the Doctor survive putting his hand in one of the cracks when he'd made it plain it was lethal and would love to eat a big meal like a Timelord? Maybe because he covered his hand with a cloth lol!
Why is it a prison designed to hold the Doctor for eternity can be opened by a simply sonic screwdriver? The Pandorica, a device which is outfitted with every type of lock imaginable and yet it's already been established the Sonic Screwdriver cannot unlock a Deadlock seal. "It's easy to open from the outside" say the Doctor. Yeah, then the Alliance made a really crap prison then lol!
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Surprised Dan completely missed this.
Once time was been changed and everything is "as it should be" then the robot no longer exists, it is the real Rory again by this point. Don't be confused by references at the wedding to him having waited 2000 years for her, it is now the flesh and blood man. -
Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd write...
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At first I thought "OMG, it's bad and very childish and nothing I have waited for!" - then I realized it didn't give me answers I WANTED. But it gave me answers. Were they good enough for me to like the finale? I decided to watch it a second time - and now I can see its beauty!! Plotholes? Don't care too much. Two time travel devices (TARDIS and Time Vortex Manipulator) - two possibilities for the Doctor to cross those streams and be in the Pandorica though being able to jump from the future to Auton Rory to hand him the sonic screwdriver to help him escape. It's not even fairy talish, it's science fiction...ish. But not a simple paradox! @Madmarek: The explosion of the TARDIS is BIGGER ON THE OUTSIDE! - See? No? Too bad! I love that gag! After getting warmed up with that season I'm now fully with Matt Smith. He's not David 10nant, but he's now The Doctor! And he's very good, I can say! BUT: Moffat's NOT > than RTD as showrunner! They're pretty fair on par so far! And they're good at throwing a season with highs and lows at us. I loved the finale, but I also loved the past finales, too. The specials last year not so much - and the Christmas specials were sometime too... christmassy for me, I think! Here's to The Doctor, here's to Matt Smith and Steven Moffat, here's to Season 6 I'm eagerly waiting for... THE MAN WHO WAITS... ;-) As for Daleks, Cybermen and other races being wiped off existence - they are "stoned"... looking like the Weeping Angels... hmmm - ah, there's no connection... is there? Bloody geeky interest showing up... Next season The Silence Will Fall - Vashta Nerada coming back? River Song - Your song coming to an end? Who knows? Exactly!
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I've decided to sign back up for netflix just to watch some old Who during the long break. Then maybe I'll be able to come back here and understand better some of the more obscure references made.
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This talkback will just fade away as the days go by and I will truly miss everyone's words here.
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but I have a long, busy morning ahead of me. Post like crazy and keep it easy to find, folks! Have a great day.
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Very enjoyable. Only two real dogs for me: Daleks and Vampires. Probably will go back and watch the whole season (omitting only those two). LOVE Matt and Karen's chemistry.
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This talkback ENDURES.MOFF would be proud. Until he read some of the nit-picking, of course.
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You know now how it works, don'tcha? Or just save this page as is - I did this with my favourite LOSt TB's back in the days... 'til the White Screen Of Death appeared because of too many comments... And don't blink! Blink and it's gone! Kiddin'! :-)
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in a Documentary or so... a U2-Biopic? Or has anyone else already pointed out this...?
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I would have pegged him as a better Edge. But he could pull it off.
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I'm actually going to put a link to this one on my start page. I have my own with little icons I made and text links. Adorable. heh. That'll work. It actually won't die until, what? Six months later?
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I wonder if he ever has seen one of these?
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Yeah, LOST Finale TB's actually survived their time! Even the very last one..... hehehe
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GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE! Hit all the right places, didn't it? Made me laugh, cry, laugh and then wonder and cry again.... Too bad that particular music cue (excellent as it was) never made it to the soundtrack of Murray Gold. One of the pieces did (her death), but the one with the musical clock... ahhh, I just luv it!
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I told you, I'm done. I don't have the time you do to deconstruct things that really don't need to be deconstructed. It's a TV show about a man who flies around space and time in a little blue box. You're taking it WAY too seriously.
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Practically tearing up just thinking back to it. It was a great moment for the series' as a whole. A high point. I hope we get a few more moments in the next series that pack that same kind of whollup.
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recommend to people who have never seen an episode, or stopped watching at some point. It never fails to drag them in (or back in).
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Bring on the Vashta Nerada! That would be awesome! I always thought they were the scariest beastie baddies on nu-Who, and definitely have the best name :)
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I need more coffee apparently.
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Would be great to see an extended sequence of him as Ozzy taking out the trash. That's the one entertaining moment I remember from "The Osbournes", that long, drawn out, extended sequence of him slowly and methodically shuffling the trash out to the bin. It kept going and going and going. Like a bizarre David Lynch nightmare.
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You have coffee? Share some. I just spent an odd morning with family. Ever been personally responsible for another human being that isn't a child? These people around me act like waking me up is such a burden. I can burn the candle at both ends as long as I can count on someone to wake me to do it. Ungh. Family. Can't live with 'em....
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This talkback just will not die.
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If we could drag it back to the top again with real conversation.
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because of a mis-communication(as in, no matter how many times I asked and mentioned it, they still managed to convince me it was somewhere else). I thought I had to drag someone 45 minutes away and it turned out they told me the wrong place and it only took me 15. And yes I'm being vague on purpose. I don't want to turn these posts into whining livejournal blog posts.
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documentary narrated and hosted by Easy Read.. I mean Morgan Freeman? It was great. A perfect companion to the Who finale.
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...then goin' home and leave the coffee behind! ;-) But colorful my drink shall be tonight! @gotlik: Actually I showed GITF a friend of mine - and we usually share the same excitements about movies and series - but he didn't like it. Never got to show him Blink or other lil' treasures...
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fanfic. I've never tried to write fanfic because I usually don't like it when other people write it. But it involves a man who volunteers at a children's hospital and years later happens upon a way to travel through time. He uses it to take the children, one by one, to the future to find cures for their ailments. In my story he has to be stopped by someone from the future because certain events rely upon certain people being inspired by one of the children that dies. (in particular, descendants of one) Could be an interesting Who short story or novella with the Doctor being the one that must decide which choice to make.. let him save this one child and cause this life-saving discovery to happen nearly a hundred years later, destroying thousands of other lives OR prevent him from saving this one precious, bright child who will later inspire others to make the same discovery decades later? Could be formulaic, but I like the story. It could even be connected in some way to Rory and "The Eleventh Hour". What do you folks think? Be gentle.
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Enjoy the "colorful" drink later. lolI'm shocked by your friend's response. Did he or she have an actual heart or a mechanical one? ;-)
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tribute featuring Doctor Who clips and the Stones' "Time is on my Side".
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is one featuring the very real possibility that we could, in the next few decades , find a way to send information back and forth through time. Quantum entanglement data transmission would make the BEST internet connection ever. Imagine just clicking on a link to a full movie and when you check the folder, it's already there!!
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The more likely scenario would be you click the link and when you check your mailbox you already have a notice to appear in court from the MPAA's lawyer mafiaa.
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As you can see in this wiki link, it's actually for data/information/computation. And it very well could be a real thing very soon. Technology like this very well could literally "brute force" things like Artificial Intelligence and hyper-real simulations of the past, present and future. Virtual time travel. In our lifetimes. I'm actually considering making a t-shirt that simply says "simulation MATTERS". Like it? Here's the link to the info/maths. http://tinyurl.com/rtoou
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would be "wobbly" (wonder if it'd be wibbly as well..), I still hold out hope that someday we would be able to send data at faster than request speeds. Especially if you consider that some expect matter itself to be transported using these methods in the future. The obvious first step would be un-altered, static-state data. Or you'd end up with your first few matter transfer experiments to end up like that transporter accident sequence from Trek. (ewww)Welcome to the Quantum Internet" -
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Does a simulation "count" when it's so realistic it can fool its participants?
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home today for a few hours. Come on lurkers.. post.
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Don't know how one can not be touched by GITF... About the HEADBUTT mentioned earlier... we all got acquainted to The Doctor being a telepath... and that brings back again those sweet memories of Madame De Pompadour... jizzzzz.....
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I just love all of those STAR TREK stories regarding Time Travel and Quantum Mechanics... no kidding here!
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Ahhh... Reinette... Sophia Myles... I definitely need that drink later on - and my Mrs. shall be asleep...
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It's definitely the one from the nu-Who to show to people, just like City of Death was the classic story to show to people who haven't seen the series before.
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Jun 29, 2010 2:42:37 PM CDT
Ok, so, we all agree............................................
by axcel1
"The Big Bang" was PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, any so called "Plotholes" are just the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey of time travel.
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Jun 29, 2010 2:45:58 PM CDT
And, one more thing.............................................
by axcel1
Rory is HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! End of story, well, end of story until the Xmas Special.
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Another thing about the headbutt that I think I brought up in another talkback..They edited the head-butt out of one of the Star Wars films (Obi Wan head-butts Jango Fett) in the UK because they were afraid children would imitate it. Yet, here we are, on a series that some say is aimed at older children in its country of origin, with a charater that is beloved, head-butting another character. And Obi Wan was the one they were worried about? A bit strange from my point of view. Not that it actually bothers ME.. it just seemed like an odd exception/contradiction.
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So I guess City of Death is one to find? What's this? Douglas Adams? And it's a Tom Baker episode? And I seem to have missed it when I was a child? (I would have remembered that alien Scaroth's face) I need to find this NOW. Hope it's on Netflix.See? I really do have a LOT of catching up to do.
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That seems to be the consensus on both counts. But I'm sure there will still be disagreements. Myself? I think "perfect" Who is still around the bend. But I think it was darned close.
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Thus said the wise man with a bag of cans and a hernia.
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Someone stop me from doing the wrong thing and seeking nefarious means by which to acquire the episodes!!
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Jun 29, 2010 3:08:13 PM CDT
Thank you, gotilk, let me rephrase that.........................
by axcel1
In my opinion, my level of enjoyment of "The Big Bang" was high from start to finish. I was happy for 54 minutes running time, which I thought was needed to tell both the human story and scifi story it was telling.
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As John Wayne once said, "a man's got to do what a man's got to do."
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This is true. And if I love it (I will), I'll be buying it anyway. So shouldn't feel too badly about it.
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So sad that he's gone. Especially sad because he was scheduled to speak the next day about 400 feet from where I was living when he died. Might have had the chance to meet the man.
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as well as John Cleese.
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Post away, Gallifreyans. (is that how it's said?) Or is it Gallifreians? Or Gals?
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You know you wanna.
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A stunning runt.
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Physical comedy, that is. I've often wondered if adding in "little person" would make it even funnier.
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Be back in several hours.
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(co-incidentally Haters is a bloody good book too. The sequel Dog Blood is good too - anyway I digress LOL) Like I said several posts back - If you don't like it just stop watching. You will never be able to reconcile almost 50 years of continuity when it never had continuity in the first place. By all means rip apart BSG, B5, Lost etc as they had 5/6 season arcs and there was an endgame. Doc Who never had an end game and I hope it never will. For Fuck's sake they thought they'd be lucky to get 3-4 seasons out of it back in the sixties. And it's still better than Star Trek (I like Star Trek too mind you)
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Jun 29, 2010 4:38:58 PM CDT
Off Topic again but I'm sure it was mentioned over the weekend.
by shuggy boy
Mongrels Episode 2 is on BBC3 right now and it's fucking hilarious!!!!
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is only spending a few years dead for Tax Reasons.
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Christopher Biggins IS GOD!!!!!
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It is probably the finest Doctor Who episode ever. Tom and Lalla were in rare form for this. The story was originally by David Fisher and was set in the 20's, but John Nathan Turner (production unit manager - it was a time when he was a bean counter for the show before becoming producer) figured out that it could be made for about 25 quid less if it were done in the modern day Paris and they could take a vacation, er, film some in Paris itself. Graham Williams had a hand in the final story but it was mainly Adams. Some of the most sparkling dialog in the series was here. It's a shame that this one was never novelized - I would love to have Tom Baker doing an audiobook of the (non-existant) novel. Just the Adams and Saward books didn't get novelized, if I recall correctly.
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What are your favorite one-liners from nu-Who?
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I always have coffee. Addicted to the stuff... literally.
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"Who looks at a screwdriver and thinks 'ooh, that could stand to be more sonic' " has to rate up there. As a matter of fact, just about any line from that whole discussion would work.
"What's the gas mask for?" "Why, for the gas." was a good bit. The Master's happy face/ mad face bit was fun too. There's nothing like letting John Simm play a psychopath.
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Jun 29, 2010 6:48:47 PM CDT
Off-Topic, but, all right UK....................................
by axcel1
I was watching tv just now and a guy (american) says England has the nicest policemen and the cleanest holding cells, he said he was arrested over there for drunk and disorderly conduct.
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"This is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff. Can boil an egg from 30 paces... whether you want it to or not, actually. I've learned to stay away from hens. It's not pretty when they blow."
"Rude and not ginger." Don't know why, but that one has always sent me into a fit of giggles.
"Stop talking. Brain thinking. Hush."
"AW! My brain is so STUPID!"
"Do I just have that face that no one listens to? Again!?"
"Right, then. This isn't going to be big on dignity."
"You're right. I am definitely Mr. Grumpyface today."
"I'm the Doctor, and I just snogged Madame de Pompadour!"
"Lots of planets have a north!"
Wilf: "God bless the cactuses." Doctor: "Actually I think that's cacti." Alien: "That's racist!"
And Harriet Jones always flashing her ID gets me every time... :)
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I was impressed with Mongrels. I'll be watching the second one now.
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That's me, too. Can barely keep myself in order. Just had this same person tell me "I never see you" and "all you do is sleep" when I've just spent a good 50 hour week doing nothing but working a job and caring for her. I burst out laughing. Thought I was cracking up for a moment there. Ahh.. too personal, that stuff. I'd say I like that AWWWW My brain is SO STUPID" line quite a bit as mentioned above. But there are so many. Any time he's chattering on while doing something is golden.
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I've started "grabbing" City of Death now. At least the first episode. I just need to find the time to get that Netflix up and running again to rent the whole thing. They should have it.
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Get to it! Worth your time. Simm is great in it. But Philip Glenister steals every scene he's in as the iconic Gene Hunt. One of the best characters to ever grace the screen.
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maybe I'll stop by later for some more crazy links and junk.
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i loved pawning your "arguments".no more fun now? :(@Shuggy Boy. my dear chap.2 things.hate is a strong word and unsuitable to be used in the internet when we are all anonymous people talking about tvseries.secondly.criticizing the crapiness of a single episode of a tvseries which you like is entirely different than not liking a tvseries but still watching it and whining about it.capis?
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no lad we dont all agree.Big Bang was not perfect,it was a pile of shit.and the plotholes were just one of the episode's problems,not the only problem.let me rephrase it again,since you are not going to get it: explaining the plotholes to me with your hypothetical theories,even if indeed were true,it does not make the episode any less shitty than it already is.simple as that.
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Someone take over. Don't let this TB die.
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City of Death will be done some time tomorrow afternoon. Cannot wait to see it. Really excited. Loved the old Tom Baker episodes I watched years ago and I'm shocked that I never watched this one. Like I said earlier, THAT alien I would have remembered. Creepy mask/makeup.
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"Right, then. This isn't going to be big on dignity."
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I have some downloading to do off blogs for a deadline thing I do every month that people count on and I've put it off for a couple of weeks. Cheers, everyone.
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The BBFC has a massive problem with headbutts, which is why one was taken out of Star Wars Episode 2 in order to secure it a PG rather than 12 certificate. It would appear that the BBC have less of a problem with them, but it should mean that the BBFC rates "The Lodger" as a 12 on DVD/Blu-Ray.
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"No, wait, that's the Lion King. But the point still stands."
"Oh, did you have to say that? That's right up there with 'This'll be the best Christmas Walford's ever had'"
"Never had a long night? Never been bored? Never had a lot of cabinets to put up?"
"Who designed that? Well, somebody called Osterhaggen I suppose."
"I'm not winding you up."
"My vision is NOT impaired."
"You have GOT to be kidding" (More to do with Ecclestone's expression, from the pre-credits of Bad Wolf)
"To the rest of the universe red is camp. Oh, the misunderstandings. All those red alerts. All that dancing."
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Those are great ones.
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Glad you agree. How are you getting on with City of Death?
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I completely missed that one from Big Bang! *LOL* That's brilliant.
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Yeah, I know. I'm having so much fun with Primeval right now though :) Completely crappy ass show, sooooo cheesy, but I think that's why I like it *L*
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I started watching it and really liked what I saw but something came up and I couldn't finish.
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I certainly love Ashes To Ashes, too. But LoM? John Simm and Philip Glenister? Pure gold!!! Especially the last episode of LoM where all comes together - goose bumps everywhere! Is there (anywhere) a soundtrack with just the score of Edmund (Head-)Butt? SPOILER-REMARK: The graveyard-scene just gave me the shivers!! SPOILER-END
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Primeval!! Yes, good cheesy fun. I won't spoil city of death. I came home this morning from work to find parts one and two were finished, now I'm slowly downloading three and four. I won't actually watch part one until later today. I'll have to get Life on Mars on Netflix now that I'm back on it. I'll love watching it again. Ashes to Ashes is pretty good, too. Especially the final season and the season finale, which were outstanding.
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I'll be getting started on actually WATCHING city of death later today. I was probably vague when I said I'd be half done by this afternoon. I meant done "grabbing" it, as I'm calling it. heh. I'll for SURE be back here with a spoiler-free impression when I'm done with all four episodes.
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Nice job. Now maybe we can make this thing rise again.
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Back to work in other words. I'll check in later today after lunch-ish.
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be searching for on Netflix or other ways? I've seen everything from Eccleston onward. Everything before, nada. Except scattered Tom Baker episodes on PBS when I was a kiddie.
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I still chuckle when someone says "jelly babies".
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*chuckle*
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Told ya.
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ALLONS-Y!!!
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Jun 30, 2010 10:34:55 AM CDT
Ok, KilliK, let me rephrase that................................
by axcel1
Ok, so, except for KilliK,we all agree, "The Big Bang" was NEAR-PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, any so called "Plotholes" are just the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey of time travel.
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If you haven't gotten by then, I was trying to be funny. Of course we don't all agree, we are all giving our opinion, we all have different opinions. Seriously, I'm sorry if you don't enjoy "The Big Bang" as much as I did. I hope you enjoy the DW Xmas special, I already know I will.
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Not trying to be rude, but, I wasn't planning on explaining the so-called plotholes to you.
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"So you have a plan?" "No, but I'm not done talking yet." "I got him to say 'comfy chair' " "I was afraid I had jumped out of the wrong cake. Again." (Doctor going through pile of alien tech in Dalek) "Broken...broken....broken...hiar dryer..."
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hair dryer (had dsylexic tpying and started trying to correct it while it was posting - only gave me a space insead of the change)
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instead of the change. That's it, I need some lunch.
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... but I just wanted to add that I thoroughly and immensely enjoyed this. It was a brilliant finish to a damn-near perfect run this year.
Matt Smith, as some have also said, is now indeed "my Doctor." And I grew up on the classics in my youth. But Mr. Smith just "gets it" like no one has since the revival. All due respect to David and Chris, but Matt really knocked it out of the park in his first year. And, IMO, there's still nowhere to go but up. Matt will continue to impress in the stories yet to come - I feel confident in that.
And having endured the ups and downs of RTD's era, I can assuredly say that IMO, this season/series truly hit the mark and lived up to what I personally consider classic and true to form Doctor Who. All the wit, imagination and adventurous splendor of the Whoniverse really shined this year with the new team on board both in front of and behind the cameras. And the result was a truly top shelf effort. This entire 2010 series really felt like the old days, IMO. Not a bad thing, either. The soap opera-infused stylings of RTD's approach, while interesting and undoubtedly helpful in reviving the series, had worn pretty thin, IMO. It was time to get back to basics.
As for the reset button ending, like I said in the last talkback - it's all about the execution. The method is not necessarily the problem - it's how it's handled. Moff devised a spectacular arc this year and PAID IT OFF with a compelling, inventive and humorously-charged finish. I was equal parts captivated and cackling aloud the entire time.
If you didn't like the finale (and the thread supports that many did not, for numerous reasons) then fair enough. Not everything works for everyone - just how it is, I guess. Lord knows I was constantly disappointed in the last 3 finishes we got from Series 3 on through the Tennant Specials. But Moff ended the run of letdowns for me with a shining jewel of a finale. Couldn't be happier with it. And, as evidenced from the intentional loose ends, there's even more payoff to come. Yet again, Moff thinks bigger than just one year in terms of overarching story points, and I personally love that.
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"The soap opera-infused stylings of RTD's approach [...] had worn pretty thin, IMO."
That's exactly how I felt about S2 and S3. LOVED S1 though, and S4 was pretty good. As much as I liked Martha as a companion, the constant whining about the Doctor ignoring here was really grating, even more so the second time through. But this year, even the worst episodes I could watch again without complaint (except maybe the Lodger). -
Well,
Where do i start, 38 years old and loving Doctor who like i was watching mid 70's all over again, but to be honest i love Dr Who no matter when its been on! Some more than others obviously!
As far as the future is concerned i know we will be ok, Who will continue, Moff has done a good job and obviously has long term plans which i for one am very excited about! :)
Frozen and Gotik, City of Death is superb and i know you will enjoy it!!!!!!
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Netflix doesn't have it, but you can catch it on YouTube as an 8-parter... the eighth Doctor/McGann TV movie that was on Fox was pretty good.
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The Three Doctors and Arc of Infinity
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So, how does the fan community come to terms with an in-cannon revelation that the Doctor is half human? I've never heard it mentioned since.
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You're Welcome :>.Heres one I've always liked http://tinyurl.com/yagdy59
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That's the one I was thinking of. But I really only liked Pertwee in it. And Omega was cheestastic :)
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Liking it a lot so far, especially that old 70s pacing. No rushing there, none at all. Love it.
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Come to terms? Well, to be honest, it's really hard for me to "count" the Fox movie. I mean, I liked it for what it was but the whole thing felt so off that it's hard for me to mesh any of it at all. I think that's why I'd like to see a multi-Doctor episode with 8 and 11 (or possibly 12) to sort of tell the story of the Time War. Not only could we get more info on that, but it might make it a bit easier for me to tie McGann's work in with the rest of the show and not just view it as this weird anomaly that, while enjoyable, kind of sits on its own.
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You're about as far as I got.
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First off, Tom Baker and Lalla Ward are a great pair with obvious chemistry. Notice I did not use the words "has" or "a" in that sentence. Not once. Nope. Not my style.Love the humor and the banter between the Doctor and his companion. The transitions between what looked like 16mm film and video were jarring, but it was not as cheesy LOOKING as I'd recalled. The scenes with the count were a little odd in places. Like when you know the right words were on the page and they either added things that didn't belong for impact or misunderstood the words on the page. Like when he repeats the word time about 5 times in a row for dramatic effect. The count's scientist assistant was a great caricature full of big emotions and strangeness. It was great to see Catherine Schell out of her Space:1999 getup. You know, the writing/story is very good and I love how it features "cracks in time". I've only just finished the first episode and I'm hooked in. I get the feeling I'm in for something unexpected and I love it. I genuinely went into this as an exercise in nostalgia/history and came away entertained. Pretty surprising. Loved the beginning. That was either great green screen video effects when they showed the ship interior from above or they really did build a fairly large set background complete with alien planet river/stream and a beautifully painted background. But then you look at Scaroth's hands and you can clearly see the end of his alien "gloves" flopping about like the edge of a housemaid's rubber dishwashing gloves. Cheesy but charming as hell. These shows must have been so much fun to make. I'm hooked now and must see every Baker Who episode. Thank you, you wonderful talkbackers. I have a universe of Who to catch up with between seasons now. I could hit Baker Who between now and the Xmas special and then tackle another Doctor for the remaining months. I will come back and informed, improved GOTILK:Who Fan.I hope that was as spoiler-free as possible. Just character names, no major story bits. But WOW that moment when Steven Moffat as a six year old walks by the camera with a sonic screwdriver in his hand... did NOT expect that. Shocking. Really ties things up, eh? ;-)I should be able to watch the other episodes this evening when things settle down. And I intend to bring this talkback back to life this evening as well, with on topic-ish posts. GERONIMO!!!!!
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That's what she said.
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Guess I am a perv.
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Will there be an appearance by or mention of jelly babies in this story?
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So I was actually able to watch it. I'm about half-way through the 2nd ep.
And I still love the fact that I have the same hat Romana is wearing, but in black. I (And you are most definitely a perv, you pervy perv you.) -
That should have read "I love my Romana hat!" don't know what happened ?:o\
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Especially when they were walking around the streets of Paris. It seemed like at one point the pianist had a simple theme and just started doing an improv. During the "chase" sequence. I loved how they just took their sweet time with that and other things. No rushing. We get so used to quick cuts and "getting to the point" with TV these days, they never once just stop to look at the scenery and smell the duck ponds.
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NERRRRRRRRRD!
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That really is a great hat. Have you ever mentioned to anyone that it's a "Romana Hat"?
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We've just popped back up again. The talkback that refused to die.
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Sure have. I know someone whose fave companion was Romana. So she was quite tickled by that.
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but there are too many distractions in the house to do anything but post my nonsense here.
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I'm SO using that!
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I'm watching the second ep, chatting on Facebook, and "posting my nonsense here" at the same time :)
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Lucky you. I have one "meatspace" friend that knows and loves old Who(even has the Peter Cushing movies on DVD) but still has not given new Who a real chance. Can't wrap my head around that. He's missing so much.
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Sometimes you just have to remember to stop and smell the duck ponds.
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http://tinyurl.com/6zjavu
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She's a really lovely person. HUGE comic book nerd, knows more about the Marvel universe than anyone else I know.
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for fear of spoilers.
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You're surrounded by them. I don't know enough meatspace geeks. And the one I do know lives 100-ish miles away on the edge of the SF bay area.
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I'll look around and see if I can find one.
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I was at the World Steam Expo last month in Michigan, and EVERYONE there was a Doctor Who fan. They even screened Cold Blood in the ballroom at 4am *LOL*
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in November, but it's awfully expensive, and they don't really have any impressive guests or anything.
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When the Doctor is discussing computers painting vs "real people" paintings. Would make a great little sound byte related to CG vs practical effects.
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Sounds like fun. They do cons here in my area from time to time, more general ones. And they are always very, very expensive. In one of the locations you can count on not only paying huge fees just to attend, but a 12 dollar parking fee on top of it. 12 BUCKS!! Insane. They had to stop doing the computer show/fair because just walking in the door ended up costing around 22 dollars. Who is going to pay that to SHOP? With questionable "deals" in the first place. In Southern California, the computer show was free and only parking was a fee. I think it was less than 5 dollars. But I digress.
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to watch episode 2.
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Heh. Sneaky sneaky.
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If we make it to the top, everyone will come back. But be sure to stay mostly on topic and don't do repeat posts or nonsense posts. I hear they frown upon that here.
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EeePC netbook using VLC. It's not supposed to do that without major stuttering. But I optimize XP so well after all these years, I made it happen. It's nice. Lovely screen. The copy of City of Death that I have is just your basic Xvid though.
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Oh that's much worse than here. Parking downtown here is that bad though. And they constantly complain about how the downtown district is empty.DERRRRR!!!!
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I was on the Internet back when WWW was still just the sound you made when you discovered a crack in your bedroom wall with voices coming through.
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I need to start collecting them. "I was on the Internet back when WWW was just the sound you made when you discovered _______".
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After a few more posts. heh.
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Obviously.
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http://tinyurl.com/39s64o2
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Hubby just got home and he's making fun of classic Who again :o\
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is bustling ONLY because the Capital is right smack dab in the middle of it all. The parking is a nightmare. Last time I went there for the International film festival, I parked in the garage on the wrong side of the street and couldn't get validated. Literally right across the street. Cost me close to 30 bucks. That's one of the many reasons people don't go downtown a lot here. That and the offers to buy drugs every 50 feet or so, the oddly angry mentally ill population that will yell at you if you don't give them money and the police that prevent none of it but seem to get a kick out of harassing people themselves. And all the great stores were driven out by lease increases that made no sense. It's just easier to stay away. There's a nice midtown with character and culture.
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I love downtown Chicago. Where else can you stop at a park to use the bathroom and walk into a free string quartet concert? :)
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The art patrons critiquing the TARDIS? That was awesome :)
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Very little of that here. Most of the street music was driven away. Even the jazz festival here was walled off a few years back so that you can't hear anything when you walk past a performance/venue.
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Just kidding. lol
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Sounds perfect for him.
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That's terrible! We have LOTS of street performers (this concert was not a street performance, there is a concert bandshell in the middle of Millennium Park and they have free performances quite often). We also just had a really large blues festival in Grant Park that was also free. Actually, we saw that the same day as the string quartet.
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That is quite good!
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The friend who just started watching Doctor Who is on Victory of the Daleks. He's chatting with me on Facebook while he's watching it, and he just asked me if Churchill is the space whale. Ohhhhhh, dear *LOL*
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When Duggan breaks through the wall, the whole set hilariously shifts and shudders. Obviously all foam. Love it!!
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be mistaken for a space whale.
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Duggan (sp?) I mean.
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The Doctor:"If you do that one more time, Duggan, I'm gonna take very, very severe measures."Duggan: "Yeah, like what?"The Doctor: (pause)"I'm going to ask you not to."
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Duggan.
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"Oh no. The skittles come forth." *LOL*
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Oh and I just finished episode 2. Loved the K-9 greeting. Missed seeing the Tardis interior.
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Loving it.
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That was great. :)
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came back with a banana popsicle. Must now go back for coffee. But why is it the only two flavors anyone ever wants, root beer and banana, is always accompanied by something like LIME? I've never seen a package of root beer, banana or just root beer and banana popsicles in my life. It's like the hot dog/bun thing. Evil. Pure evil.
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Onward Gallifreyan soldiers. Whatever that means.
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Like dreamsicles. Or frozen Baileys.
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I have some stuff I have to get done before I pass out. See ya later :)
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The plot thickens, as does my coffee as it sits in the kitchen.
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Mmmm. Dreamsicles. Yummy. Thanks for sticking around. Watching episode 4 in a bit.
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And the scientist. What a great, over the top character.
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As is dictated in all police manuals throughout time, when in the presence of the doctor, immediately guide or accompany him to where he needs to be without explanation. I love how he walks up to them and they just immediately follow him in like they know he's someone important. Very funny stuff.
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I think the ones I love best are the sets. Especially the foam ones. Love the foam walls and bricks.
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kill him twice." LOL Now that's a great line.
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I used to Jagaroth at least 5 times a week. Excessive, don't you think?
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Just finished watching the last of the City of Death episodes. Now I'll be needing to grab all of the Baker episodes.
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Not one single post since I left a while ago.
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I have some stuff to do and then to work. Hope others show up.
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back up on the list.
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I guess maybe this time it will die out.
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wasn't it? The Christmas special isn't too far off.Oh.. wait. Yeah, I guess it kinda is.
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Got to pay attention. C'mon lurkers, come out of the woodwork and post. Until tomorrow, Allons-Y!
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My favourite Duggan moment is when we find out how he opens bottles.
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I've always been a big McCoy fan. I don't care that lots of people think he was shit, I was 7 when he took over and it was his three seasons that made me a lifelong Doctor Who fan. I honestly think that "Rememberance of the Daleks", "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" and "The Curse of Fenric" can hold their own against any other Doctor's adventures. Gotlik, give them a try if you can.
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should remember that the cast and crew were up against a very formidable enemy. the grade. when the grade became the boss off the bbc. he let it be known in no uncertain terms that he hated dr who with a paasion. all of the crew were left completely in the dark about its demise and grade issued a statement that said that the dr and the tardis had entered a black hole and would not becoming back. McCoy found out that the show was killed off after he read about it in a tabloid newspaper.
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In its final year, the classic series was on a real upswing in terms of quality in my opinion. A lot of the things that would feature in the revival in 2005 were beginning to be explored, in particular the way that so much of the season ties in to Ace's background. "Survival" could quite easily have been a script for the 2005 series. Although I am aware that I can't help but wear rose-tinted nostalgia glasses when I watch them. But the McCoy years are vastly superior to the Colin Baker years in my opinion. (Not Colin's fault, but he had some truly awful stories.)
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But you get what I'm saying, I'm sure.
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My dad has, and he's still a fan of the show. The two doctors he didn't much like were Pertwee (too different from Troughton, who remains his favourite Doctor) and Colin Baker. He liked Davison but felt that his stories and companions often let him down.
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Most fans either ignore it or rationalise it in one of the following ways:
1)The eighth Doctor is half human because he was given blood transfusions on the operating theatre and it affected his regeneration. All previous and subsequent Doctors were not. When the Doctor syas he is half human on his mother's side he is joking.
2) The Master was lying, for reasons known only to himself, and the Doctor was joking, as in one.
3) Although the Doctor may have been born half human, he ceased to be so when he became a Time Lord. The Eight Doctor's genetic makeup is half human because of the screwed up regeneration he went through, but previous and subsequent Doctors are not.
4) They just ignore it because it was an American co-production, so isn't "proper" Doctor Who. (Interestingly, in RTD's Qeer as Folk the Doctor Who fan character says that McGann 'doesn't count' as a proper Doctor, although Rusty has made it clear in NuWho that he does.)
Whichever way you slice it, the biggest reason for deciding that the Doctor is not 'officially'half human is the reaction of the half human Doctor in "Journey's End" when he realises what he is. -
Jul 01, 2010 5:07:51 AM CDT
What we learnt from watching Who this season
by the handsome 12th doctor
1. Matt Smith rocks.2. Duck ponds are NOT major plot elements.3. Bow ties. Are. Cool.
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I definitely go with #4. When in doubt, blame Fox :) Years later, it still works with Firefly, so why not Doctor Who?
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Favorite part still has to be the patrons thinking the TARDIS was modern art, especially after it dematerializes. "Exquisite!" *LOL*
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I love Fezzes!
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VERY cool.
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Bowties are cooler.
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This will be a fun summer. Complete WHO IMMERSION. lol. Well, in my off hours anyway. I'd kept putting it off in the past because I wanted to do it in order, starting with the earliest surviving episodes on. No more of that! I'm diving in now that I've been hooked by City of Death.
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Much appreciated. And everyone else, too. It was actually (is that pathetic?) heartwarming to come home this morning and find all the posts here.
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into a pizza oven when you walk outside, I'd consider actually wearing a bowtie in public. But my body cannot handle more than a t-shirt unless I end up doing temp work at some point this summer during the daytime.PANTS!! and pants. Honestly.Maybe I'll wear a bowtie indoors to freak my family out.
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That should finish off that look. OR my social life. Take your pick.
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You're a braver man (woman?) than me. I'm not sure how much McCoy I could take *LOL*
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ONE season(17). I was always under the impression that he was with the series for longer than that.
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Good. And me too. As long as possible. That's why I wanted the chat room around for people. Even if I wouldn't really be able to participate as much as I'd like to.
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Sure is.
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I hope so.
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I'm off for a while.
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Of course you come on while I'm at lunch...
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...keep up the good stuff! you possibly could bury the TB of the Lost finale!
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He was script editor for only one season, but he did have the one script in the season before. You can definitely tell a difference in tone between his season and the seasons on either side of his.
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the phone call that the Doctor gets at the end of the Big Bang, about the Egyptian Goddess loose on the Orient Express in Space - I wouldn't be surprised if that had been Liz10 on the phone making the call.
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Jul 01, 2010 3:35:51 PM CDT
frozen01, please, don't put down McCoy..........................
by axcel1
He's one of my favorites. I liked how he could go from silly to serious to funny to mysterious. Silver Nemesis and Battlefield are two good examples of this.
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Jul 01, 2010 3:38:22 PM CDT
But, then, this from a guy who..................................
by axcel1
may be the only one who really like Colin Baker's time as the Doctor.
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I'll give those a shot, and I promise I'll try and keep an open mind :)
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I can't wait to find out for myself.
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I think if many of us stick around and just keep posting every day, sure. We could do it.
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I hope so. I liked Liz10 and thought she was underused.
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Back to cleaning up after lunch. When will I sleep.. hmmm. There's 2 hours after all this before dinner and then a couple after dinner and before bedtime. Then to work. Oh I do have it so hard, please feel sorry for me. lol. Honestly it's not so bad. I'm just trying to fill space here in between posts that mention Doctor Who. To keep it alive.
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*LOL* These rumors of Johnny Depp playing the Doctor. I got excited and cringed at the same time.
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in the states. Compared to the last one, I mean. I'm pretty sure it's killing in the ratings most of the time in the UK. Do any of you over there have nightmares of it being canceled? Could such a thing happen again for such an iconic show? I was sure about Trek never going away again, then watched it all fall to pieces almost entirely over a bad theme song choice.(and a few other bad choices.. but let's be real here) Let's face it, that Enterprise song made the experience of watching so extraordinarily excruciating for Trekkers I'm pretty sure it forced a ton of them away from the show. That song never really received the credit it deserved for destroying the franchise. I'm not being sarcastic either. You'd be amazed how the tiniest (or biggest in that case) aesthetic choice can have the hugest impact. That horrible song and that "faaaafe AHda HOooURRRt" bizarre Michael Bolton/Creed wannabe hybrid vocal gives me chills to this day when I accidentally run across it. I used to mute it when it played before an episode, but could still hear it in my head. I just hope the Who franchise isn't as sensitive/fragile.
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Christopher Plummer, maybe. But Depp? He's great... but...
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..must fight urge to stay and post...
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Excitement for big-screen Who, cringiness for the thought of Depp being involved.
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this year.
As in, I've actually seen some.
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That's a shame, although it WAS battling sports and great weather.
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Have you seen "The Curse of Fenric"?
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Jul 01, 2010 6:00:34 PM CDT
frozen01, also give.............................................
by axcel1
"Remembrance of the Daleks" a try, it has the Doctor and Ace landing in I.M. Forman's Junkyard right after he orginally left with Ian, Barbara, and Susan. I won't say anymore, except, I thought it was one of the better ones.
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"Battlefield" has some great dialogue and solid performances, but suffers from poor production design, a terrible soundtrack and BAD action choreography. It also doesn't have much of a plot. Some nice ideas, though, and one of the best make up designs for a monster in the series history. (Shame he gets very little to do.)
Even though I love the McCoy years, I'd hesitate to recommend "Silver Nemesis" to anybody. Although the speech about the Doctor and his secrets at the end is good.
By the way, your enthusiasm for all things Who has been a pleasure to read over the last thirteen weeks. Even when I felt really let down by an episode, it was good to know that at least somebody was enjoying it for what it was. -
Jul 01, 2010 6:02:53 PM CDT
offscauta, ooooooooooooooo.....................................
by axcel1
You are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Definitely no argument from me there.
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is in SD on my satellite provider. Booo!
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Jul 01, 2010 6:12:22 PM CDT
offscauta, thank you............................................
by axcel1
I'm guessing if I said, watch "Silver Nemesis - the extended version", it wouldn't change your mind about it. Hey, the Cybermen are my favorite Who villian, so, I also like "Attack of the Cybermen".
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That was the beacon of light shining at the beginning of Season 25 that gave us the hope that the problems in the few years previous to that were all over.
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blurry and smudgy Who. :(
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Jul 01, 2010 6:18:55 PM CDT
offscauta, glad you liked it...................................
by axcel1
I liked it because it was more than just another encounter with the Daleks.
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have you read any of Gareth Roberts' novels with the 4th Doctor and Romana? It was his favorite season of the classic series and he had 3 wonderful novels. The final one is posted in BBC's ebooks section.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/index.shtml
There's also a few other e=books there. Mark Gatiss also has a novel in there, NIghtshade, which was his tribute to Quatermass. There's also other fun treats there. -
I need to watch Remembrance of the Daleks next *LOL*
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Ok, I'll go along with that. I'm sorry, but, I have never looked at Who as hard as all of you, I've enjoyed them all, yes, even "Paradise Towers" and "Delta and the Bannermen". But, oooooooo, did not like Mel, was glad when she left.
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My first time seeing Attack of the Cybermen was at a Doctor Who convention in Wisconsin (I think it was the one with Colin Baker and Pat Troughton - still confused as to why we didn't get to see the Two Doctorw). The audience was given the choice of Mark of the Rani or Attack of the Cybermen, and we voted for the latter because it had Cybermen. I liked Episode 1, and was down in line waiting for autographs for a lot of Episode 2, so the first time I saw it I got to miss most of the part where the story's structure burned, fell down then sank into the swamp.
That said, I did also like the Cybermen. The first time I saw them was in Revenge of the Cybermen, so I didn't know that they didn't act that way in any of the previous times they showed up. I just thought they were a good design, liked the cybermats and the effect used for showing the people poisoned, and I loved the line with the Doctor yelling out "Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!" -
Nice. Thanks for that... downloadable PDFs and everything! Spiffy!
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than she was in the TV series. Then again, Colin Baker does very well in the audio format. He got to soften just a bit, and you don't have to look at the circus clown clothes that JNT put him in, so it works much better. The One Doctor (co-written by Gareth Robarts and Clayton Hickman - look for them in next season's SJA final story) was a very good story, and one I thought that RTD might have been nicking when they announced "The Next Doctor".
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Lungbarrow's a good one to read after you're watched all the Sylvester McCoy episodes. Marc Platt revised it for the e-book version (I read it when it originally came out - that version goes for $$$ on Ebay now). It was the story he originally submitted that got replaced by Ghost Light, but when he wrote the novel he revised it to fit the Virgin novel line and also to close out Virgin's Seventh Doctor adventures (it's supposed to lead into the McGann movie). Sometimes it seemed like work slogging through some parts, but it was very good for wrapping things up, and helps explain things that were going on in the "Cartmel Masterplan". Just to tease people who haven't read it, the Doctor goes back to Gallifrey and meets relatives of his, who help redefine the phrase "disfunctional family"
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Ahhh, thatgavethe cheesy chill! That's what got it near The Task Force Police, another series of which I loved the storiesbut couldn't help the cheap production notes... Golden British Productions were The Avengers, Space 1999 and The Professionals. They all had some cheesy factor - but though I've been a stage actor for more than 25 years, I couldn't shake that very stage-y cheesy chill with indoor scenes. I loved the b/w Who, where you almost couldn't tell the difference - then came colorTV - and therefore classic storylines just didn't klick with me. Please don't throw stones at me... When DW returned 1996 with that TV-Movie - I enjoyed a weaker story more than well written stories back then. (Blakes7? Same problem!) When I watch TV I can embrace good OR bad stories as if it were some kind of reality. But the 16mm/video change killed that feeling for me. And I can surely tell who can act and who can develop... so there's no surprise there. But this "reality switch" killed the experience for me. Sorry to say that... 2005 gave me really back that movie-like experience. And YES, there are/were cheesy stories, scenes in NuWho - but I'm fully engaged debating good/bad stories though having great times diving into the world of DW for an hour... Hope I could make myself clear enough. Thanks for paying attention!
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Please hit the spaces for me where I don't.... Grrrrr
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That would surely make no sense in the continuity, would it?
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I can completely understand that. The transitions between the organic, grainy 16mm and the shiny, plastic video scenes in City of Death were jarring. It didn't ruin it for me though. At this point it's just charming. But I remember shows like that when I was a kid and it bugged the hell out of me. Now I just let it be what it is and try to focus more on the stories and what I know comes later. How it relates to the character now. Fun.
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Jul 01, 2010 6:45:39 PM CDT
I will agree with many of you on one thing......................
by axcel1
After watching SIX years of Nu-Who, some of the Old-Who does not seem as good as I remember.
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...good I'm in late shift tomorrow... Here we go again - Cheers!
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Thanks for the link!!
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Funtastic and Brilliant were definitely used far more often... Ah, I know, it's a children's show... GERONIMO!!!!
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Hush, hush!
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Makes for a very amusing read :)
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... I'd probably be dead by now!
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Shouldn#t I put you in stasis? LOL!
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for now. I've got quite the backlog of books I'm reading right now, including a 10 and an 11, plus a few non-DW ones. This'll be nice for when I'm bored and don't have a (physical) book with me, though.
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Go, get a book! I've heard decent legends about 'em!
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I haven't had a 7pm bedtime since I still took naps in the middle of my school day.
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Very, very, THAT kind of old... Older than a Doctor... ;-)
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That's what I would call A SHOW!
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That's what I would call A SHOW!
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we had a series called TIMM THALER - same 16mm/video! GERONIMO!!!
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Jul 01, 2010 7:16:10 PM CDT
wtriker1701, the next best thing to remaking a story is.........
by axcel1
Have the villian of the story return, like the Yeti. I have only seen clips of "The Abominable Snowmen" and "The Web of Fear", I'm looking forward to seeing them again, hopfully, we get "The Great Intelligence" controling them again.
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AND I hope this year's Christmassy Special won't be THAT m(a)essy as the previous ones... I told my concerns earlier in this TB.
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GERONIMO!!!
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Could Eccleston, 10nant and Smith have a Doctor's Special, please?
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Who wouldn't want that? Who?
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I'd personally like to see some villains we haven't already seen in nu-Who instead of getting the Daleks and Cybermen AGAIN. A good, fun, campy Yeti episode sounds promising :)
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'twas bigger on the inside!
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McGann, Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith! or just McGann and Smith... or Eccleston and Smith. I still want a Time War story!
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And your senses fully functional, I see! Very, verrrry good call! Time War it shall be! GERONIMO!!!
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I've read that RTD has said in the past that he could do the Time War as a miniseries. I doubt he'd do that (unless that's his plan for a Doctor Who movie or series of movies). Actually, I'd like for him to write it up so that it could be done as an audio series and get Paul McGann to do it. I imagine that if it happened it would be done by the BBC and not Big Finish, since I don't think BF is allowed to touch the Time War. Or, maybe put it out as a series of graphic novels. You'd probably get people interested in that.
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And no Reinhold Messner, please!!!
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I'm starting to suspect that the Yeti aren't actually going to be in the Christmas special, but are going to be in Season 6. (It would be interesting if the Great Intelligence were the voice we had been hearing in the TARDIS.) If we're talking Egyptian Goddesses, though, we could be getting one of the Osirians, which could make it a sort-of sequel to Pyramids of Mars.
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Have I missed something? Why on earth would I not still be awake? *confused*
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"sort-of sequel to Pyramids of Mars"? How do you mean? (BTW, that's one of the few classic Who eps I've seen)
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Are all Brits gay? Or is it just the ones posting here? Put away the mutual crevice licking. This is a talkback, not a fucking chat room you flagellating homos.
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Sutekh was an Osirian. They suggested that the Osirians were worshipped as the Egyptian gode.
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Sorry, I meant that more along the lines of "What do you have in mind?" :)
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There's already been a couple of stories done with Osirians - the Sands of Time (one of the ebooks BBC has posted), and a Bernice Summerfield audio. I don't think Moffat's going to go with this, though. There's always a chance that Moffat will riff off of Murder on the Orient Express, but I suspect he'll go a slightly different route. Still, a space train would make a good spot for one of those "base under siege" type stories.
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One moment from "The Curse of Fenric" that I think is great is when we find out what the Doctor has faith in. You have to listen carefully (or watch with subtitles), but it's a nice and subtle nod to the series' history. It's also possibly my favourite McCoy, although "Rememberance" or "Greatest" challenge it depending on what mood I am in.
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Well, I liked "Silver Nemesis" on broadcast, but it does rather diminish the threat posed by the Cybermen. Their battle with Ace is well shot, but pretty ridiculous. Also, in "Revenge of the Cybermen" gold dust clogs their ventilation uints, wheras in "Silver Nemesis they seem to be allergic to its very presence, which doesn't really make a huge amount of sense.
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Look, someone looked up "flagellating". He's using his big boy words.
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Have a great day. I'm off to work.
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Never mind.
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Nope, gone again. I'll come back later and post when it comes back to me.
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Lawrence Miles wrote a load of audio spinoffs for his Faction Paradox series featuring the Osirians as they appeared in the Doctor Who universe. I've never heard any of them, so I've no idea if they are any good.
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Have you seen the extended version of "Curse of Fenric"? Best additional moment (minor spoilers) is the line, "How English. Everything stops for tea," as Fenric encounters a group of haemovores feasting on some soldiers.
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That sounds hilarious.
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Who stuff out there that I've missed. Audio series', books, etc.
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Lovely day here. Hope it is where you are as well.
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I like that. Makes me hungry just thinking about it.
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mummies. Great design.
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http://tinyurl.com/26oqc5y
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only to have it disappear into the ether? I got a new Firefox plugin that prevents that from ever happening again and it's saved me once already after making a HUGE blog post edit and when I pressed "save changes" the site was down and I thought it was all lost. Nope, it saved it. Nearly 500 words. Really useful tool. Called LAZARUS http://tinyurl.com/2bf9afz
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Off to make breakfast.
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The proper link to the Who Wikia is
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http://tinyurl.com/5knbdg
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I'll be back in for lunch.
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I'm loading up the Pyramids of Mars on my netbook to watch later. Should be fun to watch.
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Grabbing the last 2 parts later today.
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as it does. Eee PC with a pretty slow processor and 1 gig of memory running XP, thank goodness. Vosta was a mess. Okay enough chattering by me.
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Post away lurkers.
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I was only kidding before.
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There's a bunch of really good fanfic audio dramas on iTunes. Broken Sea Audio is one of my favorites, as is Doctor Who Time Tales. The production is really good and the stories aren't bad for the most part. And they're free, can't beat that!
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Oh I didn't realize that. Fantastic. I'll grab those. I work nights and do a lot of driving. Those will be wonderful. Thanks!
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Jul 02, 2010 11:52:06 AM CDT
offscauta, I agree with you on the gold dust..................
by axcel1
Vs the gold coins. It was never explained, but, maybe it had more to do with gold interfering with their internal systems than anything else. I'm still hoping the Doctor meets the Mondas/Telos Cybermen of our universe, I never understood why RTD created the alternete universe Cybermen in the first place
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that requires I gather files and I've put it off again. It's supposed to be done at the first of every month. And although I don't get paid to do it, I still like to get it in on time most of the time. So I might need to take half a day off here in order to get it done. So if you are here reading this, post and let's keep this thing alive. Ignore the haters. It's a talkback, which means it is what we make it. The rules are few and far between. So what if we chat? That's a good thing.
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It's just this public thing done without credit/pay that I do and I like to keep it that way. I may be secretive, but it is far, far from sinister. More like a public service.
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Have a great day.
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C'mon lurkers.
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was nice to see. Okay, see you all this afternoon.
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whatever his name was.
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Hope you enjoy it :) Come back and let us know what you think!
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You know I saw this thread pop up and had I actually been logged in or even perhaps remember where my AICN login was could have posted a very immature 'First' at the top but maybe I'll jump into my own tardis and do it later....or is that earlier. I'm delighted to see the TB still going strong.
I grew up with Tom Baker as my Doctor but gave up on the show somewhere during Colin Baker's run and hated McCoy....I think it's because I always thought of him as the prat from the Kids TV show he used to be on so I never really bought into him and gave up on the show altogether.
When Nu Who started I thought Ecclestone was great...sat and watched it on my own...wife and kids not interested....halfway through Tenants 2nd season the wife realised she'd taken a shine to 10 and went back and watched the 2 previous series and stuck with it since.
She's sad that Smith isn't exactly eye candy but I told her I had to put up with Donna Noble for a season so it was only fair.
The kids love it now too , they have a whole load of figures and games etc....got them the complete micro universe set with every figure and ship which is v.cool.
Thought the new season was very solid...nothing I loved as much as the best of the RTD era ( Moffats stuff & Family of blood ) but nothing as bad as the worst of RTD either so it evens itself out.
Time of Angels was my fave along with 11th Hour...I think the next series will be even better as everyone settles into their new roles.
I'm jazzed for an ep. from Neil Gaiman - enjoyed all his books so it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with.
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I haven't! I must seek that out.
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They released a special edition DVD with it on. There's not a huge amount extra, but a few nice little dialogue moments.
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I think the main reason for introducing the alternative universe Cybermen was that their continuity was a godawful mess. In 1988 I had this audio that attempted to explain their history, written and narrated by David Banks, I think. It was done in a faux documentary style, and I loved it, but he had to work very, very hard at reconciling the various histories given during the show's run. It also means they can sidestep the fact that the Mondas Cybermen routinely got slaughtered by anybody wandering through a story, be it mad women with bows and arrows, Ace with a catapult, a man in a body stocking or a chess board.
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Because nobody asked for it, here's some of my favourite "Remembrance dialogue.
"Oi, Dalek, it's me. The Doctor. What's the matter, don't you recognise your mortal enemy?"
Doctor: "Ace, the fuse. You said ten seconds."
Ace: "Well, nobody's perfect Professor."
After Ace takes out a Dalek with a bazooka at a range of about 6 feet:
Doctor (surprised): "You destroyed it."
Ace: "I aimed for the eyepiece."
Dalek: "Small human female sighted on level 3."
Ace: "Who you calling small?"
Doctor: "Dalek hunting is a rather terminal pastime."
Ace: "So what are we doing?"
Doctor (grinning): "Dalek hunting."
Gilmore: "They're not landing a spaceship here?"
Doctor:"No, we're much to far from the main action."
Rachael: "You're sure?"
Dalek spaceship descends outside.
Doctor: "Ace, get away from the window!"
Every window is blown in as everybody ducks for cover.
Doctor (looking up): "I think I may have miscalculated."
Dalek: "Alert! Cannot disengage from console! Human on the bridge!
Doctor: "I'm not human."
Dalek: "You are the Doctor!"
Doctor (as he begins rewiring the console): "Yes."
Dalek:"You are the enemy of the Daleks!"
Doctor: "Yes."
Dalek: "You will be extermina... (Dalek dies)
Doctor (Finishing the Dalek's line: "ated. Goodbye. Daleks. Such boring conversationalists.
Priest: "I must say, your voice has changed somewhat since we last met."
Doctor: "Yes it has. Several times.
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Oh well, I can still find it by clicking on Coaxial.
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Nice to see you here.
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bbl.
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clicks it will take to get to the center of the top talkbacks.
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find out?
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Far too many.
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time... ever I saw... your face.
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I don't know why, it's a perfectly cromulent talkback.
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and we'll get right back to your regularly scheduled Doctor Who talk.
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Hoping that anyone with moderation powers will not pay attention.
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So.. where was I?
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Hurrah!
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But it turns out after all there was no morphic field at all, she was just a sociopath.
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look like Katherine Hepburn mated with an octopus?I'm not kidding, look...http://tinyurl.com/37aeupj And not the young Mz Hepburn, but the On Golden Pond era one.
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they actually share some properties as well."They were amphibious and could cling to sheer vertical surfaces, with considerable mobility out of the water despite their shape."Yeah, I know, the amphibious bit was a stretch, but boogers ARE technically amphibious if we're going as far as seeing them anthropomorphically in the first place.
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Save me, someone.
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actually grew her own ROUS? (rodents of unusual size) And she not only was exiled for doing so, one of her ROUS' actually ate the Lord President's cat??!! See.. now I HAVE to see "The Mark of the Rani".
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I do. It's like if you had a guy from high school that always bugged you named Tim and instead of calling him "Tim", everyone chose instead to refer to him as "THE TIM". Slightly obnoxious, very self-righteous sounding. And possibly confusing for those expecting science fiction tropes in their daily lives. For instance, one could be led to think "The Tim" was not a single person but instead an entire race of beings with the properties of *A* Tim. Those properties probably including popped collars, 80s jick haircuts and an insatiable need to give wedgies and wet willies.
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I hate this keyboard almost as much as I hate it when a Haemovore asks me to pick a scab of his back for him.
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Darn it.
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for people to remember, it's probably a good idea not to use words like "unspeakable" in the name itself. Tends to discourage the telling of tales and the spreading of legends associated with your dastardliness. Hastur the Unspeakable DID, however, change his name to FENRIC. Which begs another important question. What exactly was he thinking when he chose a name that brings to mind allergies and chronic medical conditions more than universe crushing evil?
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I imagine something more like "Fenric, have you remembered to take your inhaler to school with you today" rather than "oh, God, please don't destroy the universe, we're still using it...Fenric". Amirite?
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sounds more like ethnically stereotypical anthropomorphic character from an early Disney film.
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"tap tap* Is this thing on?
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the Doctor has had 16 male companions not counting Dinna Noble?
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the Doctor has had 16 male companions not counting Dinna Noble?
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the Doctor has had 16 male companions not counting Do
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All I tried to do was correct the spelling of Noble. And when I got it right, it added a space. odd.
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no one was really 100% sure about Adric.
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And she appears to be floating around out there somewhere. I see she was the last companion to NOT be kissed or to kiss the Doctor. The actress is still around, acting last in 2004 and being a presenter up to 2007.
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But I'm running out of material. Someone relieve me. lol
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the first series of season 24 right now. This should be fun.
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The last "story" of series 23 and the first "story" of series 24.
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Instead of starting from the beginning, I'm sort of going back and forth. In the spirit of the show.
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was in the 80s.
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Have to get some sleep before work. Then tomorrow I'll watch what I've downloaded and post about it. Should be fun. Carry on... you.. people.. you other people.. that are.. somewhere other than here...
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Rory isn't a robot.
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But it's Friday. People are doing stuff. And by stuff, I mean movies and gaming, of course. None of us has real lives.
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I'd strongly recommend not watching "Time and the Rani" until you've watched some other McCoy stuff first. If you do, keep an open mind, and I promise that his second two seasons are a big improvement on his first. (Basically after Mel fucks off.)
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Glad that I didn't kill the talkbalk off with my dialogue quoting. Was a little worried there.
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Jul 03, 2010 2:35:50 AM CDT
offscauta, we agree on other things...........................
by axcel1
Like Mel, oh god, thank you for getting rid of after only a year, a longgggggggggggggggggggg year. I Still can't figure out how you dump hot Peri and replace her with, ooooooooooo, Mel!!!!
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Maybe, they just run into a lot of bad luck when trying to, conquer the universe, take over a space station twice, destroy a comet, grab a stolen time ship, destroy Earth twice. I don't know why, but, like I said earlier, they are my favorite Who villian, the RTD version, not so much.
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Jul 03, 2010 2:46:13 AM CDT
Oh, wait........................................................
by axcel1
The Cybermen tried to destroy the Earth three times, not two, my bad.
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Jul 03, 2010 2:49:10 AM CDT
But, then, again................................................
by axcel1
Their main objective is to destroy Earth everytime they show up, so, putting a number on it is meaningless.
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Just got up to pee and get a drink of ice tea. See you all in 4 hours, maybe.
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Wow superhuman effort to keep this going all by yerself there.
I'm hoping next series won't have some huge ending again where they raise the stakes higher than ever and it all gets fixed once more. I mean how many times can you destroy the Earth / Universe / Reality & fail.
I hope Moffat comes up with a smaller scale finale next time around , you don't always have blow up the whole of Time & Space to be effective.
Series 5 felt alot more Earthbound to me , maybe it was a budgetry thing but previous NuWho seasons seemed to explore the galaxy more often and have more spaceship / stations etc.
Well at least there wasn't a token gay character forced into most episodes. Roll on the Christmas Special.
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Well, RTD was more of a sci-fi kinda guy. It's no big secret that Moff is approaching it more from a fantasy/fairy tale aspect. I think it has more to do with that than budget (or maybe it's a combination).
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Jul 03, 2010 8:09:20 AM CDT
Here's hoping...................................................
by axcel1
The Yeti are on board.
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Jul 03, 2010 8:20:41 AM CDT
cosmic, frozen01, offscauta, gotlik............................
by axcel1
I think we may be the only ones left. All the other regulars are gone, never to be heard from until the Xmas special.
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Thanks. Yes, bring on that Christmas special.
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Oh I think the others may pop in if we jump up the charts again. The curiosity will kill them.
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The Rani was a bit stereotypical and the costumes SCREAM 80s crap, but really it was a lot of fun. I grabbed the wrong episodes and missed the last episode before the regeneration to McCoy. But caught the first part of the last episode of the last season before the Americanized Who movie.
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as heck. Even with all the cheese and man in suit aliens. They make up for it with story, universe, humor and character. Really rewarding so far. Very glad that I'm diving into this.
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But I may change my mind and go from the beginning now that I know I'm going to really, really enjoy it.
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And to a certain extent, he is. But in just the right way. He doesn't handle the serious bits as well as some of the old and new Doctors, but he's his own man and it's a blast to watch him tackle the character head-on with gusto. Really fun.
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Because I found her, however, to be a shrieking, goofball, unlikeable annoyance. Really sorry to say that, but that's how she came across to me. Really, really bad. And the wardrobe they put her in wasn't just 80s bad.. it was any decade bad. Horrible.
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bringing up The Rani before. Makes sense. Of course I seriously doubt The Rani will make an appearance. But it makes sense as something that could happen now, even if it's unlikely. Loved her sleek, pyramid TARDIS.
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Have a great day, all.
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Jul 03, 2010 8:52:56 AM CDT
Wow, I guess I'm not the only one who likes Mccoy...............
by axcel1
Why not give Colin Baker a try? If you can get pass the "clown outfit", as everyone calls it, his time as the Doctor pretty good. Baker's take on the Doctor was, in my opinion, different, he came off as being all full of himself and thinking he was better than everyone else.
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Jul 03, 2010 9:03:47 AM CDT
gotilk, I don't think so........................................
by axcel1
As I said in an earlier post, I still don't understand how you replace Peri with Mel.
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I don't see how someone could replace Marty Feldman with Mel. I wish she would have chosen to be another Doctor's companion. Maybe Doctor Phil.
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I just had to check back in.
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thinking about the new series'. How they can keep making it with such low budgets when the long term profits are so obvious at this point. My hope is that this next series will get a little bit of a boost. I'm not saying I want an international co-production for Who (a non-creative-decision one would be nice) but look at BSG. Look at what they pulled off with.. what was it? A UK/Canadian/American production? It seems silly to force such a great show to cut so many corners. The economy is in the, sure. But entertainment always does well in a bad economy. Especially escapism. Then consider how few episodes they produce in a series. I hope the finale does well in the ratings when it airs here on BBC America finally. After they.. what? Take another week off for no reason? That was just odd.
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I meant to say the economy is in the CAN. But I seem to have misplaced a word there.
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Enough babbling for me. Be back later.
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for you lurkers to come in a post to keep this alive. What the heck? Why not? It's been fun.
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I'm going to go grab those earliest Who episodes today. The stuff with placeholders and stuff for the missing parts.
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C'mon now. You can do it.
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I'll put on a cheerleading outfit. The male kind. It's not pretty.
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Hey Gotik,
spare us the mankini! :)
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Jul 03, 2010 9:44:48 AM CDT
Sorry, gotilk...................................................
by axcel1
We are all alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whew. My neighbors were going to give me quite a look when I checked the mail. Thanks for saving me.
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at least I didn't threaten a banana hammock.
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I've always thought we were "not alone". On a larger, universal scale. But here. Yep.. just a few of us.
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I know. If more people don't post...The next person that asks me if Doctor Who is good or not, I'll say it's FANTASTIC, but make sure you start with the Colin Baker years.
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yodel the fight music from Star Trek in a hotel room. Oh wait... that's what I got paid to do back in the 90s. I guess I'm a little tired.
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I need to rewatch them all but there's still a bunch of things that seemed unexplained in S.5.
Obviously Why No Ducks ?
Who was trying to build a tardis in The Lodger & Why ?
Why did Amy suddenly try to shag the Doctor ?
How does Prisoner Zero know Silence will Fall ?
How come the Tardis exploded and why was there a stone wall when River tried to leave ?
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I like The Rani in the Mel getup. Except she never once screeched like fingernails on a chalkboard, so minus some points for the portrayal. I liked how he played amnesia a little like a drunk. "Why I've chosen you as an assistant I'll never know" (indeed)His mixing of metaphors and general bumbling. "A bad workman always blames his fools" LOL!! Right after he took what looked like two very important components from The Rani's device that resembled spoons and started playing them as spoons on his leg. He really brought the humor.
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All good questions. But I recall there was at least a vague explanation of the stone wall thing. I could be wrong. I will be re-watching after I get done with watching all the old ones... some time in 2013. lol
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Yes, I just used "cat" and "sylvester". Bad joke.
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looks a lot like this last series' finale. All of them in one place. That furry thing, a Dalek, a Cyberman, that pointy wooden looking robot with spikes..
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breakfast and lunch.
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Colin Baker years. I mean it.
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Jul 03, 2010 11:58:18 AM CDT
Yes, gotilk.....................................................
by axcel1
Watch the Colin Baker years, you'll be glad you did!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, "Attack Of The Cybermen" is my favorite.
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Jul 03, 2010 12:03:53 PM CDT
And, yes, cosmic_dolphin........................................
by axcel1
The stone wall when River tried to leave was explained, the TARDIS did that to keep River safe, along with creating the time loop she was stuck in.
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The duck pond was just a hint, not a major plot element. There were no ducks in the duck pond for the same reason that Amy couldn't remember the Daleks... Amy was living by a crack in time and space, which was described as two places in time and space that were never meant to touch. So she was getting memories from this crack leaking into her bedroom from an alternate universe (created by the events that happen towards the end of the series) in which there WERE no Daleks, and presumably there were ducks in the pond. Again, it was just one of those little hints that something wasn't right, not a major plot point.
We don't know who built the TARDIS in The Lodger, though some have said the spaceship exterior looked like a Jagaroth ship (from City of Death). Frankly, I'm surprised that question hasnt come up more often! My husband and I both thought this was going to be some huge reveal, and then it was just dropped. I hope they address it next year.
Why did Amy suddenly try to shag the Doctor? Because she's Amy :) The Doctor's reaction kind of made it sound like there was something wrong with her and that was why she was acting that way, but nope... there was something wrong with her timeline, but her actions were her own. So now we're probably going to have a completely new relationship between Doctor and Companion, which is kind of exciting :)
Everyone but the Doctor knows about the Silence, it seems. There have been cracks in time happening all over the place and entire species are fleeing them, so it would stand to reason that most of the universe knows about the Silence.
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That last bit resonates with me. It would begin to explain why she doesn't want the Doctor to know "who she is" or what she will do. Doesn't the Dpctor frown upon people meddling in their own pasts? I'd say if she is who you think she is, she's gone far beyond meddling. I'll have to go back and see how she reacted meeting Amy and Rory for the "first" time.
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I'm all talkbacked out.
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Watch the Colin Baker years, you'll be glad you did!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, "Attack Of The Cybermen" is my favorite....WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather saw my arm off thna watch the horrendous baker/mc coy yrs again! -
Watch the Colin Baker years, you'll be glad you did!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, "Attack Of The Cybermen" is my favorite....WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather saw my arm off than watch the horrendous baker/mc coy yrs again! -
DALEK: HAVE THEY ALL GONE !!!!???Sontaran: It looks as though the entities known as Gotilk and Darkocity have finally left the building.Cyberman: Well shows over for another year for us, we are not usually in the Christmas specials ...thank god.DALEK: YES THE DALEKS ARE AWARE THAT YOU GET VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THE WHOLE GOLD FRANKINCENSE AND MYRHH THINGCyberman: Too fucking right I do...just like you get nervous at the thought of plastic sheeting on the floor.Sontaran: No such worries for the Sontaran race...well unless we are invading a skyscraper and none of us can reach the button for the top floor in the elevator.DALEK : HAR HAR HAR...THATS A GOOD ONE !!!!!Cyberman: Come on then, thats it. Anybody up for a beer ?Sontaran: I am , I'm gasping.DALEK: YES !!! YESSSS!!! PINT OF THEAKSTONS OLD PECULIAR FOR ME !!!!Cyberman : My round then.Sontaran : Hiiii Ho, Hi Ho, Its off to the pub we go.DALEK : ARF !!! ARF !!!! ARF !!!Cyberman : Aah. Dwarf jokes always crack me up.(Exit all stage left)
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there's been a lot of speculation about Matt smith being replaced by another actor,this is complete bullshit as we know matt is coming back safely for another season and xmas special. What gets me thoug are the constant old actors being linked to the role,Im not against this per-see but it will never happen again. We'll never see the likes of hartnell of pertwee in the role again. 1) Because TV is largely youth driven and also Moffatt and RTD both said that the doctors should be between 35-45..mainly coz the show is hard work and action driven with a lot of long hours and running around. Smith is obviously an exception but we've never had an old doctor since pertwee in the early 70's so i doubt we'll get one anytime soon again.
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a) keep the thread alive, and b) to enjoy the enjoyment as people discover old who before my eyes, enjoy people!!!!
please try Robots of Death and The talons of weng chang as they scared the shit out of me as a kid! :)
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Hilarious. Not sure why, but the idea of a Dalek actually saying "HAR HAR HAR!" and instead of laughing they SAY HAR just made me laugh till I got a few tears.
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just to record that in fact.
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The old Who is fun. You really have to be very uncritical to enjoy it. I'm used to being hyper-critical. So it takes some adjustment. But once you settle in and just enjoy it, it's very rewarding. McCoy is great, still not sure about Colin Baker.
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But at least it's still here.
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Keep comin' back.
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Are we?
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And for those of you who aren't... um, sorry for all the headaches. And for all the really bad movies coming your way. This summer is shit.
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Happy 4th to you as well!! I get a sort of day off on Sundays (still work at night) so I'll sleep through most of it. Well, all but the big loud bangy stuff.
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yeah. Only one I've seen that I've loved so far is Toy Story 3, which was amazing. Still want to catch a few movies out there. Hubble 3d in Imax which is actually still playing here. We still have a huge drive in here. Maybe I'll go see something there. Some big, dumb movie. Lots of those to choose from. lol Wow, this summer has been crap.
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get into a large building's roof near where they shoot off the big fireworks here. I keep meaning to take advantage every year, but keep skipping it. I wonder how seriously I should take the warning signs on the roof about radio waves and stuff? I wonder what a safe exposure time is for that.
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I'm all written out.
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I hit a cat with my car. Sad. I'll never understand why a cat will, with no other cars on the road for miles, choose to jump in front of me. It looked like a suicide. I hate it when that happens. No way to stop it.
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Hope you all have a great night. I'm going to nap before work again. Then maybe some more McCoy before I leave.
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even those across the duckless pond.
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I spotted another Moffat in the writing credits for old Who. Is there a relation or is it just a very common name?
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Anymore this evening. I'm going to have to do some work on this computer.
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Post some DW stuff, nonsense, links. Etc. Etc.
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This time for real.
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Darn.
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Might be a kind of sleep-posting.
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head to work.
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Or just some?
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Quite a bit better than apple products. iTunes is bloatware. But WTH? It treats audiobooks like songs and just lumps them in. Very odd. I have to edit the tags to make it think they're podcasts.
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Good morning and happy 4th.
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...are canon is pretty much up to the individual. Some people say that only the show counts, some people try to reconcile the whole lot. I personally pick and choose a bit.
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you should be pleasantly surprised by how much better he is by the time of "Rememberance". Have I mentioned yet that you should watch "Remembrance of the Daleks"? Because you should. Although maybe I'm building it up too much.
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But I'd had a full day so I fell asleep... and promptly missed all the fireworks. Oh well... I mean, I'd gone cherry picking, then I took the El into the city to see a play adaptation of Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, stopped downtown on the way back to see all the kids splashing and playing in Crown Fountain, so what are fireworks compared to all that?
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I thought those were tonight? I mean they are here in the Capital of California. At the fairgrounds of the State Fair. Huge crowds, trash everywhere the next morning, etc etc. I usually work in the area after the 4th every year, so I have to navigate the crowds still leaving after 1am. It's that bad, that crowded. Nuts. People just trying to LEAVE since about 10:30PM. Tons of frustrated moms and dads at the midnight hour with fussy, tired kids in the car, stuck in traffic. Me having to talk to cops all night to let me through. A mess. I'm sure I didn't miss that. Because I just got back from there.
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I DO like McCoy. I think he's becoming one of my favorite Doctors. So it's just the two of us then? lolYeah, I'll be grabbing Remembrance of The Daleks next. My expectations for the production values are obviously already very low, so I'm paying attention to the story/writing. And it's been much better than expected. And McCoy I would say could be credited for a bit of Smith's goofiness and mannerisms. I see some subtle similarities.
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and a happy Canada day to all you Canadians up in Canadia in your snow plows eating your back bacon, eh? Whoovers are Whovians to me, no matter where you're from. So a happy day and a good morning to you all. Especially all you UKs. UKians. Britple.
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Dang. Tardis fail. Stupid time travel.
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What would we be if not for you? Still just a colony/colonies? You'll always be the motherland to me.
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Fun things you're planning to do/blow up? Any particular LIMBS you plan to lose to illegal fireworks today? Not me. Oh-ho-no. Nada.
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I think we have a time traveler in our midst. frozen1 is talking about having already slept through TODAY! CAUGHT!! Just admit it now.
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Just got an e-mail from a friend I went to HS with that has 50 GIGS of old Doctor Who. Yay.
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That should be a few trips, but worth it.
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An 8. That only makes 24. Grrrr. So maybe I'll skip the ones I have seen already. No prob. That'll be perfect. Two trips.
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Just to HAVE it. I still value HAVING shows/movies. I know it's rare these days. But I like looking at a DVD shelf. Now, actually, more than before. And I love Blu-Rays. I can't stand that the RedBox thingee rarely has a good blu-ray selection. Good thing for Netflix.
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Strike the iron while it's hot. Get us to number one while everyone is BBQing hot dogs , waving flags and setting off smoke bombs. They'll never see it coming.
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PROFESSIONAL is. All this pointless chatter about "M. Night Shanana" and "Transgenders" and "Conan The Lead Singer" and this Jay Leno nonsense. It's all nonsense.
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That's "Transgenders 3".
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as a boy who wants to become a girl... with lots of flag waving and farting robots.
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Is this fun to watch? lol. I bet it is. Let's watch goatlick lose his mind in realtime. ROFL.
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And I ran out of on-topic material a while ago. I will say that I have a HUGE appreciation now for all of the old school Doctor Who fans now. I get it. If you actually watched these in your childhoods (I only caught bits of the Tom Baker years on PBS when I was merely a lad) I completely get it. It must have been a blast to look forward to those bits of sci fi geekery every week. No matter the production value. And bravo for being able to look past it back even then. In the many years of Who that happened AFTER the effects advancements made in the 70s-early 80s. I bet a LOT of kids were like "fakey" and made fun of it. They just didn't get it, did they? AWESOME show. I was a total anglophile back then, too. As a little kid my favorite music was all that 60s British music that came before I was even born. The Beatles, The Hollies, THE Pink Floyd, Roy Wood, Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel, Stackridge (you can't get much more completely BRITISH than Stackridge), 10CC(and Godley and Creme), all while most of my friends were getting mohawks and going to punk gigs. (oh I went, too.. but it wasn't my number one musical love, not at all) Then I discovered XTC, Bowie, Gabriel and early Genesis, The Alan Parsons Project, ELO (which I'd always loved and wished Roy Wood would go back to them) and a whole new generation of brit-rock and brit-pop. These days I find myself sort of not looking back much, but I occasionally need to hear Wood's magnum opus, the only TRUE solo album.. BOULDERS. Having said all this it might seem surprising that I have a bit of an influential position in the world of NEW indie music, from a certain perspective. (not some big deal or anything, just a large audience) NOT bragging... I do it for fun and people have just kind of FOUND it in large numbers. Oh what the hell. I'll come out of the closet to you Whoovers (or Whovians or Gallifreyans or whatever you are this week) I go under a few aliases and one of them is this Indie69 fellow. You can find my playlists by googling them. Just search for Indie 69 Indie Rock Playlist or Indie69. You'll find me. Top result is my blog. The rest are links to torrents of new music, critiques and mentions, etc etc. I do it for zero profit, just to promote new music. I don't even have ads on my blog unless Wordpress were to decide to put them there and not give me a dime for it. I do a couple of other things right now that I won't get into. I have a band(ish.. there's usually just me and another person or two, studio only) I have an ongoing science fiction novel in progress that will begin publishing in August, one chapter at a time, weekly, throughout the year. I work nights and I'm a caregiver for a family member in bad health during the day. I'm an avid reader, a lover of films and a insatiable consumer of TV materials. Although I have to be selective these days with shows I can actually keep up with if I want to sleep.... ever. So there's my guts spilled. Now I'm not just some anonymous talkbacker who writes silly stuff in-between other things in Doctor Who talkbacks. I feel a little naked at the moment. So be gentle. (TWSS)I value persona on the Internet. But sometimes you can't really get to know people if you're not willing to be a little vulnerable. You won't catch me on Facebook, no siree. But I trust you people for some reason. Having exposed myself like that, I hope I've inspired you to take part in keeping this talkback alive for a while, to spur new conversations and make new friendships. And that means POST LIKE CRAZY. Now. Today. Here. Even if it's off-topic. Just go for it. And then when we're on top, we can focus on making it a great WHOversation. TTFN.
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love dogs and long walks on the beach? LOL!!
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So just a short post to try and keep Gotlik's dream alive.
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LOL. Build it and they will come. Right? I understand though. I post here usually at a fast pace, in between doing other things with seconds to spare.
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I should write speeches.
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Wait, found one. The Webster definition of WIN and this talkback.
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Yep, ya got me. I'm a time traveler. Ooooor we do our fireworks on the 3rd here. One of the two :)
All the suburbs do their own fireworks show, if they can afford it and have a place to do them. So fireworks usually go throughout the weekend. Most of them happen on the 3rd. The Chicago fireworks are usually on the 3rd, as well, but this year they moved them to the 4th. -
I'm going to try and come back and help fight the good talkback fight but I've plans nearly every day (unless you count garbage day as plans, in which case I do have plans every day) for the next week and a half.
Have a good Fourth everyone! -
Jul 04, 2010 1:29:58 PM CDT
Glad to hear some people like McCoy.............................
by axcel1
But, I guess I'm the only one who likes Colin Baker's time as the Doctor? Candy ass monkey suit let me know that yesterday when he was trolling this Talkback.
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Jul 04, 2010 2:44:37 PM CDT
Well, I think this is it, so....................................
by axcel1
I will say goodbye and I hope everyone enjoys the Doctor Who Xmas Special, I already know I will.
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Wow! That's the first I've ever heard of something like that. I can see people preferring that when it falls on a Sunday, too. Sorry you missed it all. I'll set off a smoke bomb in your name.
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Ehh, you like what you like and that's that. Ignore the "haters". Hey, Colin Baker might be great. I just haven't given much of his episodes a shot yet because I've immersed myself in the McCoy episodes.
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to gotilk1 or gotilk01. lol NE-way. I'll be popping in and out today. But if any of you can, today is the day to post. If we get up top, maybe some of the hardcore Who fans will take notice and we'll get some good conversations going again.
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do any blogging or podcasting or anything like that? Just curious.
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Not that it matters THAT much, but I'm finding it fun at least. And we could get some people back to make this thing last for a few weeks.
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Almost like a day off here. It's beautiful outside.
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things about Doctor Who.
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(In case you happen to come back) I have been watching Curse of Fenric and it's not horrible. In fact, it's even better than some of the Tom Baker stuff.
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BE BOLD!
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I'll add that to my list since I'm tackling things so out of order so far.
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Not so great. Eric Roberts? As THE MASTER. Hoooo hooo! I would ROFL but I'm afraid I'd L my A off. Better production values, and not horrific but still. I prefer the cheesy old stuff with the good writing and stories.
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Eric Roberts in the 90s anytime. He's not been AS bad lately, but boy oh boy can he chew the scenery in a BAD way.
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Wish me luck. Will it burn?
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His IMDB has 190 acting credits. 10 of them good. 8 of them passable. The rest? I'll just try to stay positive.
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As well as being a top programme of my youth it is also the question i must ask before i post my 25 best bits of doctor who!
How do i post with spaces?
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You type without those spaces between . Try it out. Do it twice for a real empty line between. Once for the equivalent of "return".
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Can't wait to read it.
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Anyone think they're gonna run with the story mentioned at the end of TBB ?
Or whas that just a joke ?
Sounds quite a similar idea to the Titanic episode. Still could be entertaining I guess.....
One other thing I came to realise was that I didn't find this season that emotional, maybe I jut didn't believe Rory & Amy's relationship enough to be that bothered that he died. Whereas in other Nu Who there were definitely bits that brought a tear to the eye , especially Rose's farewell. Maybe RTD is better at writing emotional scenes than the Moffmeister. -
Jul 04, 2010 5:36:54 PM CDT
Well, I will admit the McCoy years were not perfect.............
by axcel1
For every "Curse of Fenric", "Battlefield", Remembrance of the Daleck", there's "The Happiness Patrol", Delta and the Bannermen", "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy". Keep in mind, I liked them, but, not as much. But, just my opinion.
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Jul 04, 2010 5:41:47 PM CDT
cosmic_dolphin, just as long as.................................
by axcel1
The Yeti and The Great Intelligence are on board. Hey, the news that they are coming back has wetted my appetite for old Who villians.
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I'd put "Greatest Show in the Galaxy" above Battlefield, and I have a soft spot for "The Happiness Patrol" even though I should know better. Know what you mean, though. His entire first season is best ignored.
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...in getting the talkback up to number 1, but I have work in the morning and it's nearly midnight.
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I watched Twilight on Friday, didn't really like it, felt really long and dull, yet I find myself about to watch the sequel. Why is this talkback still here? I saw it on the right of the screen and thought hmm.
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Don't do it!!The same madness (but for good) created this talkback. You must resist. Go see Hubble 3d instead.
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that I slept? Hours without popping in once.
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I can see fireworks already on the horizon. Big ones. And someone in my neighborhood got a box from China or Mexico this week that customs missed.
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I mean the big stuff that explodes in the air.
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DRY field across from me. Nice.
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But boy this guy makes sense in this particular article.. I love/hate the NYT.http://tinyurl.com/38fxk7n So much of what we think is science, experience, expertise, etc.. is just the luck of the draw, confidence, mood and perception.
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Not even the watching of old Who. I might get a chance to in the next couple of hours. If I do I'll come back with my impressions. In the meantime, I think I must admit a certain defeat. On a certain level. It's not too late if you want to post a few times in the next few hours. But once people get back to doing things other than BBQing and setting off expensive smoke bombs, it'll be back to arguing over M Night Shannara and crap reality tv shows.
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I'm sure the suspense is killing you. lol
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I can keep this up.
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But I'm pooped.
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Too many meth-heads in my neighborhood with illegal fireworks and not enough firemen means I'll probably be up until work time.
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How about them Cybermen?
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past few days has been "why are people opposed to 3d" and related searches like "why do people hate 3d". Makes me wonder if industry people are doing those searches because for that EXACT term in quotes I have 6 searches just from today in my stats. I love stats, not just because I like to look at numbers. More because I like to see what people are searching for and how it relates to what I write about. There are a LOT of people out there that are puzzled about the backlash against 3d it seems. One of the oddest searches that led to my blog, however, was "joyful wisdom bittorrent". WTH?? lol
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But I'm obsessed. As far as obsessions go, I guess this is probably one of the better ones. At least I'm not into drugs and stuff. But still, this is all rather obsessive, isn't it?
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They get to near-tarantula size and they do bite, but the bite isn't as bad as a widow or a recluse. We get widows here, but the ones that really bug me and freak me out are the Wolf Spiders. I ran into one earlier today, luckily outside. They must be coming out of the woodwork because of all the noise, smoke, fire, etc. This baby was big, but not the biggest I've seen here. I put him in a jar and I put my finger close to the glass and he reared up and showed me his fangs. WOW. Awesome display. I set him free in the field across the street. I did that once before instead of letting a friend squash one. I thought I was being all humane. I let it loose and along comes a bird snatching it up before it got even 2 feet into it's new freedom. lol I cannot stand spiders, but still feel horrible about squashing them. Except widows. To hell with those. Kill or be killed. I hope none of you ever experience the 8 to 12 hours of whole body pain associated with a widow bite. *shudder*
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Now I'm straying so far off topic. Better find some Who to watch and come back newly Who-Refreshed. (Whofreshed?)
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Thanks to everyone that came in earlier.
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Thanks to everyone WHO came in earlier?
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Thanks.
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artichoke. That is an example of that Twitter is like with most people. Talking about what they ate. So sorry for that. I'll do my best to make it more interesting.
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I think a lot of us here in the states get Monday off, too. Not me. :(
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I needed to find that out before today for my job. Oops.
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I still have to work. The question is, how much or how little?
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I'd even be happy to see some trolls here at this point. I haven't felt this alone since the first ten minutes after the first time I was home alone with my Farrah Fawcett poster.
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Back in a bit.
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Back in a bit.
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Back in a bit.
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Slow connection here. I thought it hadn't posted so I clicked again.
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Has there ever been w Who-themed corner animation? There should be.Harry coming out of the Tardis with his pants down and snatching the plunger off a Dalek, then returning it a few moments later.
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Close to 100, too.
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With more useless nonsense and near-apocalyptic obsessive compulsive posting.
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With more useless nonsense and near-apocalyptic obsessive compulsive posting.
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With more useless nonsense and near-apocalyptic obsessive compulsive posting.
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Time to go figure out why my network is so slow. Did someone open up my wireless?
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The 2008 Christmas special...the next Dr
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for the Christmas special. They're hit and miss.
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http://tinyurl.com/29q2gpc
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When Tennant said.. "I don't want to go" it seemed so genuine my heart dropped to my gut.
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that there would be NO Depp Doctor Who movie. http://tinyurl.com/36r73a4
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http://tinyurl.com/2bn34hx It means Moffat will do a re-write. How could he not have a copy backed up? Seems like a slightly fishy story.
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to Doctor who for the Xmas special and the next series. http://tinyurl.com/3am5pjo
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completed his Doctor Who script. Well, he "tweeted" it actually.
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were bad are now considered bunk.The Pandorica Opens was watched, officially by 7.57 million viewers, which is nothing to shake a stick at. But I'm not sure why anyone would want to arbitrarily shake sticks at things that are sub-par or otherwise.
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rating for any showing on BBC-HD.. ever.
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http://gallifreybase.com/forum/
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http://tinyurl.com/2ejyjpc
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Video interview. (interviewer is his son) http://tinyurl.com/2ebwwwh
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Should be interesting.
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to shoot the new series of Torchwood. So there's a bit of confirmation that the thing is actually happening. She's heading here fairly early though since shooting will not begin until January. http://tinyurl.com/26jv5dg
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California or Canada though? I just hope we don't see all those same Canadian forests we watched in all those years of Stargate programming. yikes.
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http://tinyurl.com/yfhzewy Wow! Check out those Cybermen. Black marker on a nylon ski mask. lol
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http://tinyurl.com/2cc2af7
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For those non-literal types here. http://tinyurl.com/24dfd67
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http://tinyurl.com/278fdb4
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http://tinyurl.com/2bbvvlh
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http://tinyurl.com/28zxjuf
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http://tinyurl.com/28ex5bk And the grinning Tom Baker is great.
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Time to head for work.
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Time to head for work.
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Time to head for work.
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I'm really trying to keep this all on topic now.
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I just hope they don't Americanize it TOO much. In the sense of dumbing it down for the Utah audience.
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Tardis poster. http://tinyurl.com/34wo66h
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Tardis poster. http://tinyurl.com/34wo66h
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Closer to morning here, really. At least the fireworks have died down.
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That means it's time to come on in and post. Let's get the conversations rolling again. I'll start you on a subject....
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The fairy tale direction or a more hard science fiction direction for Doctor Who? I'll post my opinion in the morning.
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The fairy tale direction or a more hard science fiction direction for Doctor Who? I'll post my opinion in the morning.
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The fairy tale direction or a more hard science fiction direction for Doctor Who? I'll post my opinion in the morning.
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The fairy tale direction or a more hard science fiction direction for Doctor Who? I'll post my opinion in the morning.
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That just looks bad. But I'd like a serious answer. Which Do you prefer?
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Lovely to see you all. (all 2 of you.. lurking, not posting)
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Video : http://tinyurl.com/2wvjxeq
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as Doctor Who. Comes across a little (^nty, doesn't he? lol. Wow. I'm not sure I recall seeing that moment before, but out of context he really seems like an ass. I'm still watching every episode he was in, for sure, but that was amusing.
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I think we actually had a Who convention in Oregon when I was a kid. http://tinyurl.com/278jakq
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What are you doing? this is now like a twitter account, do you have one? if you do I will follow you as your funny man, where are you and what do you do for a living?
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was hilarious.
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for poor Patrick. lol wow.
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Wow. That must have been hard to watch at times.
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You can follow me at @indie69 . But I don't tweet much. I use it mostly to keep up with certain things in music and certain writers/blogs/technology stuff. I'd be honored to have you as a follower and would of course follow you back.
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Lovely town. When it's not over-run by trashy meth heads. Which is.. never.
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You can sense that Matt Smith watched McCoy. Even if he says he didn't. Or maybe Moffat sensed a bit of the oddness in Smith, that quirky, bumbling aspect of McCoy's personality. http://tinyurl.com/349oaaw
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But it's ok, to let loose now. Save this TB as I told you and we all can meet from time to time here. At your rate I'm afraid we all get the White Screen Of Death sometime. And I believe it's better to this talkback undamaged 'til The Christmas Special. But thank you anyways! For the line breaks, it's far more easy. Just put in (mind the spaces) - there you have your line break. As far as bold or italic goes - I'm on the noknow-side. To all Whovians: Thanks for keeping this Beauty alive, but we should get it out of Radar sight by now. It can't be Top Ten Fodder for all those weeks... can it?
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I'm the Lee that just added you, if you want to follow back that would be cool, I am a little dull, often moody but generally okay.
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Forgot to mention that.
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Followed you back. Thanks. :)
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Thanks! I think we can make it to number one. But no, I don't think we can keep it visible all the way through Christmas. Probably just a few weeks and then if it's not closed off/turned off for new posts, I'll find it and bring it back up right before the Christmas special.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xs5ytq
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They never are, except from the very beginning! Trust me, I've posted on a LOST 1.1 TB about two months ago, because I thought my review fitted there. The TB's stay usually open, unless they attract an Admin's attention. That's why I would try to keep it low(ish)...
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Just okay though, I started playing with a transformer half way through and I only do that when un-engaged. The werewolves where all waxed in human form, what is up with that? RPatz seemed bored and why does no one call him a vampire at school when he so obviously is? Its obviously addictive though as now I'm thinking I need to see Eclipse.
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http://tinyurl.com/2bokast
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Good to know. Thanks.
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I've yet to see any of the Twilight films or read any of the books. Something about it just doesn't gel with me.
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http://tinyurl.com/35g2gvj
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I keep reading about how people think that there's less emotion in S5 than previous years... that it's lacking the emotional element that Tennant's reign apparently delivered. I couldn't disagree more! Maybe because the overtly soap opera-ish style during the RTD years made it too obvious for me, I don't know... but the only time I ever felt like I was going to cry (during a non-Stephen Moffat written episode, I mean) was when Wilf knocked on the glass four times. That was great; I could literally feel my heart sinking. In four (and a half) years, though, that was it. Everything else was during Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, or Blink. (Maybe there was a little during The Next Doctor.)
But this year? Amy forgetting Rory, the look on Matt Smith's face when Amy was caught crying (and didn't know why), the ending of Vincent and the Doctor, the Doctor saying good bye to Amy before flying the Pandorica into the TARDIS. Even after multiple viewings these still gets me.
Tennant was wonderful and I loved his fast-delivered comedic offerings (timey-wimey device in Blink being my fave, but dammit that's another Moff ep!) but he was too human. His alien moments were too few and far between. Matt Smith seems to have perfected the alien-ness while still being compassionate.
I understand a LOT of people started with Tennant which would make the jump to Matt Smith very jarring.
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Renee Lebbing. The one in Illinois. Just put your AICN screenname in the request so I know who you are. It's a mix of personal goings-on, Midwest events, and a lot of Doctor Who related stuff...
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I still can't explain it to this day, but I did read the Twilight books. The first three were just mindless summer reads, but the last was pure unadulterated WTF.
Only watched Twilight so far, and I was very drunk. That's the only way I can watch those movies, they're so terrible. And I don't just mean the story or the writing... even the make-up was god-awful. If a drunk-off-her-ass person notices it, you KNOW it's bad... -
http://tinyurl.com/3394llv
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LOL. Yeah that's bad when someone drunk notices.
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I should actually say WON'T do Facebook. Seems like a blandness and drama black hole to me. I tried it once and was immediately sucked into what felt like a time warp back to high school. With none of the fun bits. I had to just go. Nightmare.
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what schools I went to, where I was born, my full name first middle and last, my pet's names, where I keep my spare key, my favorite positions (in football you pervs), my social security number and my best friend's darkest secrets.
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http://tinyurl.com/2vq4gkp
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I was like that for a long time too but then finally jumped in when I started getting into conventions and Faires and such... to keep in touch with people I only see once or twice a year. And I was surprised at how awesome it is. There are so many shows and events I would have NEVER heard of if I hadn't been on FB. But I learned very quickly to weed out the people who post all the whining and relationship shit on their walls. Just defriend them and the drama goes away :)
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In the Dr. Who movie!!!???
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BBC says no.
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http://tinyurl.com/382a49o
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That makes perfect sense. I just wish there were an alternative. I hear there are a couple upcoming. An open-source style community as well as that whole GoogleME thing. GoogleME would be something I'd jump on IF I knew I could trust them not to screw up and accidentally send pictures of my old girlfriends to my new girlfriend. (hypothetically of course) Without even sending any to them. lol Google is... a BIG company. And I'm a person. I tend to assume I'm like an ant in that relationship.
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Yeah, the one Google tried just didn't take off. Alt social networking sites are great, but pointless if no one is on them. :o\
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http://tinyurl.com/34gwlxg
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There's a new one in the works from Google called GoogleME. You're thinking of that aweful mistake, BUZZ. That was horrible. GoogleME is supposed to be more like a Facebook, streamlined, not as many ads and more privacy. But that's all rumors for now.
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or is it STARS? I forget. Could be great, could be a mess.
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Breakfast time.
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Breakfast time.
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Why America is finally ready for Doctor Who. http://tinyurl.com/yhovr5f
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sorry.
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sorry.
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sorry.
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sorry.
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This is silly.. http://tinyurl.com/28mpvqa
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Love the clown nose. http://tinyurl.com/2747gss
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on stage years later. No idea. Did others do the same?
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I don't think he was having a very good day in that American PBS interview.
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Sorry.
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http://tinyurl.com/23v8wyf
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http://tinyurl.com/2d9p68t
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going back and cleaning up/enhancing the old episodes. I don't mean in the way they did with Star Trek. No adding new things and all that. Just basic cleaning up and enhancing the quality. The DVD releases I've seen so far now have been pretty muddy. All while you look back at a lot of shows from that same period and the DVDs look pretty sharp, considering.
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now that I'm used to HDTV and BluRay.
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http://tinyurl.com/2vt4kw6
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Part 2. http://tinyurl.com/29xnwz8
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http://tinyurl.com/2wz7ngq
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http://tinyurl.com/2wz7ngq
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I'm really sorry for the double posts. I know it looks bad but this connection is horrible and the page just sits there sometimes and then you hit the back button, reload and nothing is there so you click again.
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HOLY COW that version of the theme music must be the worst ever... http://tinyurl.com/328rvsp
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http://tinyurl.com/2bmphxf
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http://tinyurl.com/28cfcxb
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http://tinyurl.com/3a8hzdn
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http://tinyurl.com/3xrdy2e
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http://tinyurl.com/2v4qozj
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http://tinyurl.com/2bslvn8
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http://tinyurl.com/26b9vp8
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http://tinyurl.com/3yg5nko
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http://tinyurl.com/3aoz46r
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http://tinyurl.com/2ccuzzx
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Take over.
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http://tinyurl.com/26nl8jd
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http://tinyurl.com/2ddz824
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videos with McCoy. okay.. gotta run.
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Look at you keeping this TB alive all by yourself! You're a one manarmy!
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Look at you keeping this TB alive all by yourself! You're a one man army!
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I'm doin' my best. Come on in!
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I'm still not sure if it's epic or just OCD-ish.
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I think it is.
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I think it is.
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Would appreciate a little more.
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Look at you keeping this TB alive all by yourself! You're a one man army!
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Jul 05, 2010 2:31:00 PM CDT
Anyone else tried typing "2204355" into Google and then hit "I'm
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
What's THAT about?
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That's about 2 dollars at KFC.
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Seriously.
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my name doesn't come up once. So there, so-called professionals!
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but it's not low on PASSION!
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Get a large 7-11 coffee, then add one of those little black coffee shots in the little half and half cups and then expect NOT to make the Doctor Who talkback number one.
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It's the position.
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Jul 05, 2010 3:26:04 PM CDT
By the way everyone, don't forget...............................
by axcel1
Doctor Dan Calls The DOCTOR WHO Finale ‘A Startling Triumph’!!
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I was watching TBB with a friend who hadn't seen it, when the stone Dalek was on it was the first time I heard the doc say they where that way due to being removed from time.This made me wonder if the weeping angels where made that way? indeed could they be the missing people of Gallifrey? Weeping for there fate? in TEOT Tim Dalton said a line about those 2 women standing like the angels standing in shame like the weeping angels of old and this made me muse, now I have shared it.
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M Night Sharkweek.
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In Manchester in 89 (I think), during the height of my childhood obsession with Doctor Who. (Which never really went away, obviously.) I remember at the time thinking it was the most awesome thing ever. It had Daleks and Cybermen together and the Emperor Dalek from the Patrick Troughton years. Also, some flying creatures that fought the Cybermen. Not long after Pertwee got sick and Colin Baker took over as understudy.
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Thanks for reiterating.
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That must have been so cool. I couldn't believe it when I met Sulu when I was a kid. AND he talked to me for a LONG time. Nice guy. We talked about his books and writing for the animated series. It was a nearly empty convention so I had him pretty much all to myself. Very cool of him to be so nice to such a young starstruck kid, and to make me feel so relaxed and realize he was just a guy. But wow.. seeing Pertwee live on stage. Must have been so amazing. I miss seeing live theater. There's something uniquely special. A lot of people see it as over the top and exaggerated. But that's just the way it works and the only way it can come across. In the right hands it can be like magic.
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Sylvester McCoy is the only actor to play the Doctor who has held a world record. (Largest number of live ferrets down trousers)
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I liked all of M Night Shalamar's films up to The Happening. A lot of people think he lost it way before that. I connected with all of his films up to that one.
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Just walking through Soho in London, heard that unmistakable voice. Went up to say 'Hi', there was a mix up where he thought I was his assistant for the day, but once I cleared that up and explained I was just a pathetic fanboy he was very nice about it. I've heard that he can be quite abrasive if you catch him in the wrong mood, so I'm glad that he was in a good mood then. Got a great photo of me and him framing a sex toy in a shop window. (Wasn't intentional, that's Soho for you.)
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M Night Shandygaff. I think he still has his best films ahead of him. Oh now see, I've gone off talking about M Night Sharebroker right after I said I wouldn't. That's it. No more posts about M Night Sheepbiter.
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Never understood the fuss about "The Sixth Sense".
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Now I'm really jealous. lol. The more I see of the guy, the more I realize he's an international treasure. What a storyteller!!
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10 different interviews with the guy.
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Posted before you banned all mention of him. In no way was I trying to suggest that you are not lord and master of this talkback.
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DANG! You tricked me! I mentioned another of M Night Shinplaster.
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Meant to say another of M Night Shuttlecock's FILMS. DANG! Tricked myself that time.
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Only thing I appear to be a master of is my own silliness. lol
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You talk about M Night Sharon all you want.
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play the genie in a pantomime version of Aladin. 1990 I think. After Aladin rubbed the lamp, McCoy came on to the Doctor Who theme tune. Lots of Doctor Who references as well, in particular the genie always wanting jelly babies. Fun for a ten year old who loved Doctor Who.
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web to find more on-topic articles and videos/interviews.
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My friend says say knock knock. I say knock knock. He says Doctor. I say Doctor Who? He says NEEERRRRD!!!! And then I shin him.
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In my silliness, I missed your post. Very interesting idea.
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at the West Yorkshire Playhouse. The fact that I saw Chris doing Shakespeare and Sylvester doing panto should not be used as a measure of the quality of either.
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If you could pick one guest director and one guest writer, who would those two be? (it can be one person for both but you must choose someone alive)
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A plausible rather than fantasy choice for me would be to get Joe Ahearne to write and direct one. He directed the best of the Eccleston eps and wrote/directed the Channel 4 series Ultraviolet, which I loved.
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I'd love to see a Joss Whedon episode. Yes, I know plenty of people think he sucks, but I don't, and think he'd be a good fit for Who.
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I'd pick Chuck Palahniuk to write, Richard Kelly to direct. Both Americans, I know. Very bad.. but interesting and risky. Chuck would bring the strange, within certain parameters. (obviously no frozen baby tossing or marital aids) And Richard Kelly (Donnie Darko) would be able to execute the oddness directing something that I think fits his style better.. a shorter form. Everything he's done after Darko has been over-long, over-blown and far too large scale for his current abilities. As they say, his "eyes are bigger than his stomach". A true talent, way over his head. True, they are both a bit dark for Who. But if they were allowed to push the envelope as Moffat was, the result could be very interesting. Chuck, I think, would see it as a challenge and do it only once, never even considering doing it a second time. Kelly would maybe finally re-discover his voice and develop a fantastic TV property after.
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Neil Gaiman has been a favourite writer of mine for a long time now, and I'd thought he'd be great for Who since "Neverwhere" was broadcast on BBC1, so am very much looking forward to his episode next series.
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I missed that. I'll have to go look for it. Interesting choice. I did like the feel of a lot of the Eccleston episodes.
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I used to love Chuck's stuff. But "Snuff" was fucking dreadful. "Haunted" was good. I would never in a million years have thought of him to write for Doctor Who.
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I agree. I think Whedon would be a good fit, too. He'd immediately get the vibe of the show and bring some magic of his own to it, surely. Writing and directing. I loved the look of this last series, but I would love to see the look improve even more, with riskier, more auteur-like choices and creative lighting/compositions.
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like Gaiman. I'm sure his episode will be memorable. He said he's done with it already. Tease. lol
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Six episode mini-series about a UK agency dealing with vampires (although never called that). Very good, check it out if you can. Slow burner, but worth it. Starred Jack Davenport and Idris Elba. 1999, I think.
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Pleasure talk(back)ing with you as always, but have to go now. Remember, if you build it, they will come.
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I never even finished it. Not even close to his other works. I'm currently on his latest, Tell All. And it's a real departure. It's so odd I actually started over at the third "chapter" because I was so spun out by all the names being dropped. Not what it sounds like, it fits perfectly but it took some time to get used to. Made me want to stop every 15 seconds and go to wikipedia. But very good so far, near halfway through.
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Jul 05, 2010 5:06:38 PM CDT
gotilk thinks I make an excellent point.........................
by axcel1
Woooooooooooooooooooo, I'm honored!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good call on Warren Ellis. I think he could have some real fun with it.
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I'll check it out. Idris Elba, I thought, was brilliant in Luthor. So was Paul McGann. That's one I'm looking forward to seeing a second series from.
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Well, compared to Sunday, for example. Still, I really do have to go. Hopefully catch you all later.
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I bet.
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Thanks for coming by. Nice to see ya here again.
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Well.. you did.
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M Night Shrewmouse.
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Matt Smith has been great, but yes.. let's go there again and give our top 3 picks if we were the ones to choose someone else because Smith wasn't available. Top 3.
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1. Paterson Joseph. Amazing range, great in Neverwhere and in those two episodes of Who. Bad Wolf and something else.
2. Bill Nighy. I know he's a cliche pick, but I think he would be amazing and would bring gravitas and worldliness.
3. Joe Anderson - (across the universe, Control, The Crazies) Can play almost anything. Versatile, maybe too young but looks like he's lived a bit. Bonus: They might have actually been able to get him. But let me point out... Matt Smith IS the Doctor. And I wouldn't want him replaced any time soon. -
He certainly has the acting chops.
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We both typed posts about Paterson Joseph at about the same moment. And yeah he was great in Neverwhere. Which I loved. Just went and read that wiki article. WOW. They really did drop the ball on that one. I guess it's never too late to go back and re-master it the right way.You say Gaiman "needs" to be given an episode? Did you know he HAS been given one and he's completed the script already?
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Got to grab that. Ruth Wilson was also stunning in that. Creeped me out that I found her attractive.
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(on vacation - first time at the computer since Thursday night - good job keeping the talkback alive, gotilk!) 1)Paterson Joseph seemed the shoe-in until Matt Smith was sprung on us (in a good way) 2) Nick Frost - would definitely make for a different Doctor. I did like him in Pirate Radio/ The Boat that rocked (and it showed him without Simon Pegg...who would also make an interesting choice for the Doctor) 3) Jason Flemyng - give him something better than Primeval. and, as a bonus, in a Children in Need Timecrash type story, 3.5) Jeremy Clarkson...because it would be fun to have him starting the TARDIS and yelling POWEEEERRRRRRRR!
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at first that they were going to do a total Mickey Smith with Rory. Almost happened and I got scared all over again when he showed up as a Roman. But he remained 100% Rory in the end.
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Good choices. Nick Frost is an offbeat choice, but I like it. He was good in The Boat That Rocked. I really liked that film. I hear the critics were not in agreement. I've not seen enough Primevil to know which person that is.
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I could really see that. One of those actors you see in a thousand things but can never remember the name of. Jekyl and Hyde from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen!! And a ton more it seems.
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These are some surprising ones so far. But it seems a lot of people were pulling for Paterson Joseph.
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Chiwetel Ejiofor would be fantastic! Red Belt was a masterpiece. An overlooked, underrated masterpiece.
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Jul 05, 2010 5:55:50 PM CDT
If we are saying who we would like to see as....................
by axcel1
The next Doctor, my top, my only choice is John Simm, hey, the craziness he broght to the Master is the craziness the Doctor should have, good crazy, not bad crazy. (In other words, no eating people, not cool.)
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But I'll bring the netbook with me. LOL!
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Matt Smith IS the Doctor. And I wouldn't want him replaced any time soon. He had me at "GERONIMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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He'd make children across the nation cry after the first 15 minutes of playing The Doctor. He'd call the Daleks (unts, the Cybermen poofters and he'd keep calling his companion a git.
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Not that I'm taking 'im to meet me mum or anythin.
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M Night Shrinkage would do with an hour of Who.
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I could be here all day...... again.
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It's been real, it's been fun. AND it's been a real talkback again. Thanks to all of you. Very cool.
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Maybe I have 11 more things to say.
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Maybe I have 11 more things to say.
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Maybe I have 11 more things to say.
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actors to play the Doctor?
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Medusa turned people to stone, how could I have not put that together before? (dumb and stoned)
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1. Oprah. Nuff said.
2. Bob Saget. Too filthy.
3. Jonathan Ross. "bwing me the twansmogwafia" "oh no, not the Daweks"That's all I got for now. -
Indeed if through the comforting vale of alcahol you still precieved a dull film then something is amiss, I even enjoyed MI drunk so it does work. I am going to watch Eclipse tonight just so I am up to date, I will bemoan it here later. Maybe?
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Yes it is. I'll be getting that on bluray as well. I've never seen it in a theater, let alone in HD. Have to.
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Have to get a little sleep. Very little. But we did it!
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Finally. Probably not for long. But it's been done now and I can relax a bit and just enjoy some on topic conversation.
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anything we can bestow upon it. What a fantastic, fun series it was. I have to agree with RTD about one thing for sure. He said if there was one thing he'd change about the current incarnation, it would be to make it 20 episodes a series. Gotta agree with that. Too few and far too long of a wait between series'.
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“You finally really did it. You maniacs!"
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"get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape"
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To everyone. This has been a blast. Keep it alive! Clear those caches!! You're going to need them. This thing is a monster.
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Whobivores. Whoovers.
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Whobivores. Whoovers.
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Whobivores. Whoovers.
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My last post for the day would be a multi. That looks horrible.
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If you could pick 3 actors/actresses to play the doctor that are no longer with us. As in passed on. Gone to meet their maker. Pining for the fjords. EX actors. Who would be your top 3?
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1. Jimmy Stewart. Perfect bumbling, loveable but sometimes dead serious actor.
2. Alec Guinness. LOTS of comedy experience. Great serious actor. Perfect. (would have to go back and erase that star wars stuff)
3. Graham Chapman. Need I say more? -
And for a bonus question.. what would be your top FEMALE picks? If such a thing were to happen. And you know someday it will. It has to. It's just a matter of WHO and when.
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A Transmetropolitan movie/TV show NEEDS to be made. FUCK YES.
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I'm going to defer to the Brits on that one. Apparently, the only thing with a vagina that Hollywood can offer us anymore are wafer-thin airheads who are only capable of inspiring me to want to give them a cookie.
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Jul 05, 2010 6:46:02 PM CDT
M. Night Sallamallamadingdong...................................
by axcel1
Should have kept making GOOD movies with a surprise at the end.
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I prefer "whoers" :)
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Jul 05, 2010 6:48:07 PM CDT
And, we are now number one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1. Basil Rathbone2. Vincent Price3. Heath Ledger
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Jul 05, 2010 6:57:24 PM CDT
Hey, how about what american actor would you like to see........
by axcel1
As the Doctor? Now, do get me wrong,no american should ever play the Doctor, not even Johnny Depp. My next post will be my choice.
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Christopher Lloyd from 1985
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Emma Thompson
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"I name you The Doestroyer Of Threads!"
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It lives yet! ;)
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Thanks be to the frozen01! I didn't kill it!
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Between Doctor Who and my steampunk interests, I appear to be collecting Brits like postage stamps :)
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But, when I was younger and reading the Virgin books, I imagined the Doctor getting into the TARDIS and leaving without Ace and Professor Bernice Summerfield, when he came back, and they walked inside the TARDIS, a young Gil Gerard in a western outfit turned his head and said, "howdy partner". He would sometimes break into a Tom Jones song and sing it to Ace. He would also carry Sonic Six-Shooters, no bullets, of course. Oh, and I also imagined a young Nancy McKeon as Professor Summerfield. Yes, I know, crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, it *might* be something like this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiFEDLXZgGE&feature=related
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Sorry, I'm no good with the name game... :(
I propose a new subject... if they were to make a movie of Doctor Who (American, British, or both), who should be the villain/alien/beastie baddie, and where/when should it take place? -
Still number one. And I napped. Fantastic.
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I would want to see a new villain/alien/beastie/baddie. A completely strange planet that has absolutely no paper mache caves or quarries. Dead serious.
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1. Tilda Swinton. She's very alien looking and a great actress.
2. Samantha Morton. She can play sweet but has a sinister side.(see:Longford)
3. Amanda Donohoe. Getting up there in the years, but could be a very commanding presence. Not much in the sweet/kind department. But she can be funny. -
Goodnight.
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1) Richard Coyle (Anybody here see "Strange"?)
2) Idris Elba
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Colin Baker? (Just kidding, Axcel1.)
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Good to see the BBC version of Neverwhere get some love. I remember Gaiman talking about the uneven quality of BBC television production values, summed up by being able to get permission to film in actual closed down Underground stations but having to use a big cow to stand in for the Beast of London.
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Peter Capaldi was great in Neverwhere as well. Oh, maybe he'd be a good Doctor.
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by the idea of Malcolm Tucker going up against the Daleks. "I'll give you fucking 'Exterminate', pal. You back the fuck up right now or I'll pull your squiddy bullshit body through your eyestalk and beat your wife to death with the fucking wet end. Now fuck off."
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I'd be interested to see what Dylan Moran would do if he played the Doctor.
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LOL @ Malcolm Tucker comment.
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Have a great morning.
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Have a great morning.
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Have fun.
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We really made it happen here, didn't we?
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In spite of the production values, I really loved the BBC's Neverwhere.
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In spite of the production values, I really loved the BBC's Neverwhere.
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In spite of the production values, I really loved the BBC's Neverwhere.
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Triple posting after 3 am and you know you either need to be in bed or in my case need to leave for work finally.
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Have fun and I'll be back tomorrow. Did I already say that? Cheers.
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He's funny. I can kind of see that.
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better now than later. So hard to catch back up once you fall way behind.
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I agree. No way Rory is a robot.
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that post sticks out at me. So I figure I might as well finally respond to it.
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that truly is about it for me today.
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that truly is about it for me today.
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maybe a couple more and then I'm gone.
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with something like a double post.
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I can't help but wonder how the set, effects, makeup and costume people must have felt every week knowing how far behind they were and with just a little boost they could have made the series look fantastic. But you can tell they put as much as they could into every frame.
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products in their area must have made a killing back then. And rubber. And tin foil.
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a fantastic morning.
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The story is fantastic. It could have the shittiest production values and still be enjoyable.
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Could play a villain. She's too scary-looking to play a Doctor, companion, or good guy (lady).
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It's not going to be fantastic here today.
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Jul 06, 2010 6:38:34 AM CDT
And, after being number two for a short time....................
by axcel1
We are back to number ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is too much pressure.
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But it would have felt like a betrayal.
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if Douglas Adams' movie script for Doctor Who exists anywhere? I know he turned it in to Life, the Universe and Everything, but I've always been curious about how much of it would have been present in the Doctor Who version.
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Jul 06, 2010 7:06:50 AM CDT
Don't do it, offscauta..........................................
by axcel1
Leonardo DiCaprio is not worth it.
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Jul 06, 2010 7:17:09 AM CDT
Ooooooooooo, offscauta.........................................
by axcel1
If that script was found and turned into a book, I'd buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It was going to be called "Doctor Who and the Kricketmen". He used the plot for the Hitchhikers book "Life, the Universe and Everything". Most of the Doctor's dialogue was split between Slartibardfast (sp?) and Trillian.
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Has anybody watched the Paul McGann animated version of Shada? And if so, is it any good? Was thinking of tracking it down.
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What happened to the movie version of it? Did it get dropped?
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Whenever this question has come up in the past I've always named Helen McCrory. I guess I have to rule her out now that she's been a vampire/fish from space.My back-up McChoice would be Natascha McElhone.
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Still going strong here I see, Gotick kudos to your dedication.
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Jul 06, 2010 9:00:05 AM CDT
offscauta, I read all the books, I meant........................
by axcel1
I would like to read the original. (It's been a long time since read the books.)
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Thanks to Leonardo DiCaprio and SyFy's Alpha series!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think I watched clips from the animated Shada yesterday as I was surfing for Who related videos. If so, the animation was very limited. But the art was ok. We'd be watching it for the story anyway.
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I thought it had been made and just kind of slipped away... not sure. Wasn't there an animated/live action Neverwhere? I may be mixing it up with something else.
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Yeah, Tilda is scary looking. She looks like an alien-human hybrid. And not the cuddly kind.
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We'll be one again. People can only chat about crappy skiffy channel stuff and Leo for so long. Although I'm sure I'll be watching both.
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Thanks for stopping in.
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I know Natascha, she's great. But I googled Helen and I think I recognize her face from somewhere. She certainly looks wonderful. But then reminded me of Claire Foy (going postal - being human) and I thought maybe she could pull it off. It seems she can play a wide range. And she's adorable.
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I know I asked a similar question before but I wasn't certain I got many answers. If you would choose between more hard science fiction or more fantasy/fairy tale stories for Who, which direction would you rather see them go in?
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As much as I loved this last series, I still would like to see more stories off-earth and leaning toward science fiction. I know it's "supposed" to be a kid's show, or a TV equivalent of a young adult's novel, but seeing as how the audience is made up of SO many adults that have watched it sicne they were children, would a slow progression toward more mature stories be a horrible thing? I don't think it would be.
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regularly dominating the box office here in the states, we tend to spend very little on TV for young people no matter how much money is made. You will not see a 1million per episode kid's show in the US... probably ever. I've never really understood why. I understand the ephemeral nature of the programming. But I think a lot of it is due to them just knowing they don't HAVE to spend big bucks on kid's shows. They know they can get away with cheap or just go animated. Any thoughts? It's probably similar in other places.
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See what I mean? Adorable. http://tinyurl.com/2fpy557
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Back later.
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Back later.
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I hate that.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time DW has recycled actresses ;)
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Well, fantasy and "more adult" are not necessarily mutually-exclusive. I think this year was the most adult of the nu-Who but it definitely leaned towards the more fantasy/fairy tale side of things.
That said, it would be nice to have a /touch/ more sci-fi back in. I've definitely loved the fantasy look/feel/writing but a little more sci-fi never hurt anyone :) -
and maybe they'd go off-planet more often.
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Sounds like the title of something.. "Willam Hartnell Needs Women!"
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Fish custard.
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All three parts are there. Panel discussion. Very little action and no running. http://tinyurl.com/28tw4rm
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from Wales.
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from Wales.
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I really like what they did with the off-planet stuff we got this year. Starship UK was beautiful, and I loved the scene with Amy hanging out of the TARDIS. It was a nice little taste of what might come. And the smaller budget didn't seem to hurt anything at all (my husband was shocked when I told him about that and said he assumed they'd gotten a /bigger/ budget... MUCH bigger!)
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But I think they did some smart, sharp shuffling of funds to the places they were needed most. Like the finale. And that wonderful moment outside the Tardis you mentioned.
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I feel so... dirty.
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atone.
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Jul 06, 2010 12:52:20 PM CDT
HARD science fiction............................................
by axcel1
Mixed with a lot of time travel makes for a PERFECT Doctor Who.
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this up much longer. Too busy. But it's been fun jumping in when I have a free moment, over and over and over.
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I have to lean in that direction too. As fun as this series was. The show is in good hands with Moffat though.
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Jul 06, 2010 12:55:13 PM CDT
gotilk, please tell everyone you didn't go to...................
by axcel1
Leonardo DiCaprio and SyFy's Alpha talkback.
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See you in a few hours.
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See you in a few hours.
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Actually, I didn't. Thank goodness.
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Jul 06, 2010 12:59:03 PM CDT
gotilk, frozen01, offscauta.....................................
by axcel1
I don't think we can keep this up until Christmas.
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Jul 06, 2010 1:01:28 PM CDT
See you later...................................................
by axcel1
Maybe, after dinner I'll check back.
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glasses-free 3d in an obscure talkback. I've seen it and it's junk. But all the marketing departments of the people developing it have been spreading the hype pretty thick for it. As "just around the corner". Yeah, well, so were the Mongol hordes. And they have a LOT of people convinced it'll be fantastic. But it's crap. It's all filtered, even darker than the existing glasses systems.. really low resolution. Ever see those magazine covers in 3d? It looks similar to that. Blurry, only viewable from a certain angle and really looks bad the bigger they go with it. The Nintendo 3DS looks good because it's tiny screens. The TVs look aweful. Yet, if you can HANDLE wearing glasses for a while, the existing 3d is nearly perfected. It's just.. I guess.. a pet peeve.
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Jul 06, 2010 1:02:49 PM CDT
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
We just went to number 2!!!!!!!!!!!
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But maybe a few weeks.
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You're right, we did!!! Nice.
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really have to run off now.
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really have to run off now.
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...the new guy. I'm still on season 4, and I've been dreading the inevitable switch that gets a little closer with each passing episode (I get to finish The Library episode tonight...best of season so far).
So good...maybe the new Doctor won't be the end of the world after all. -
You've become... a PROFESSIONAL with this behavior.
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I think you and I have chatted before :)
Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead were my favorite episodes until series 5. They were written, in case you didn't know, by the new showrunner Stephen Moffat, so if you like the library episodes you will probably love this year :) Definitely not the end of the world :) -
Do you have an example of what you mean by HARD sci-fi? Like an episode from nu-Who that would exemplify, or at least get close to, what you're looking for?
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all I can think of is Roman from Party Down.
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Matt Smith is great. He certainly hit the ground running way better than Tennant did, imo. Moffat's 1st season was more up and down than I expected, but it is still a good season.
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1) Katy Manning. Just listen to any of the Big Finish audios with her playing Iris Wildthyme and you'll agree.
2)well, really Katy Manning's the one I think of who'd pull it off now. there's probably some British comics who could pull it off. I don't want to go the Joanna Lumley route because she's already done it and it was fine for then. then again....
3) perhaps a male actor who had a sex change operation to play a female Doctor (that might even be good enough for its own poll). Bill Bailey with a sex change operation playing the Doctor would be interesting... -
...what did we talk about, do you remember?
I never remember the proper names, but so far I think I've most loved The Girl In The Fireplace (the one about Madame de Pompadour), the zombie gas mask kids (that's where I got hooked), the one about Billie Piper saving and losing her Dad, a bunch of the heavier Billie Piper arcs (I'm not over her yet)... I'm sure I'm forgetting lots of others. Oh, that eternal traffic jam episode was great too. -
Jul 06, 2010 5:12:01 PM CDT
...and of course this library episode that I get to finish...
by flickapoo
...tonight.
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are all moffat episodes
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No, I don't remember what we were talking about, sorry :o\ Probably some random movie, it was a while ago.
Girl in the Fireplace and Empty Child/Doctor Dances ("are you my mummy?"), as INWOsuxRED said, are all Moffat episodes *LOL* He also wrote Blink (the weeping angels episode). These are some of my faves, as well :) AAAAAAND the weeping angels returned this year in a really good two-parter :)
The last two you mentioned were "Father's Day" (I like that one, too, except for the beastie baddies), and "Gridlock".
My favorite episodes before this year (besides the ones we've mentioned) are "Tooth and Claw" (werewolf ep), "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood" (where the Doctor becomes human), "Turn Left" (Donna's alternate life where she doesn't meet the Doctor), and I also kind of like "The Doctors Daughter", but I think I'm the only one :) -
Jul 06, 2010 5:52:07 PM CDT
frozen01, a couple of examples would be........................
by axcel1
"The Girl In The Fireplace", "The Impossible Planet", "The Satan Pit", but, I also like "Blink", "School Reunion", "The Lazarus Experiment". But, keep in mind, variety is the spice of life.
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Jul 06, 2010 5:59:16 PM CDT
frozen01, no, you are not the only one..........................
by axcel1
"The Doctors Daughter" is one of my favorites, too.
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Jul 06, 2010 6:02:08 PM CDT
Oh, shoot.......................................................
by axcel1
We are down to number 4!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh. Well, I didn't like those episodes very much (except Blink and GitF, of course), but I could see if they'd been handled a bit differently they may have been more enjoyable for me. Like, if Neil Gaiman had penned "The Satan Pit" it probably would've been pretty neat. I've always enjoyed his treatment of Loki in Sandman.
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YAY! ;)
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I'd forgotten about the slingshot :)
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...saw The Doctor's Daughter. Liked it a lot. I didn't grow up on the old show, but it had an old timey SF feel to me, with a little of the Conan story Red Nails for good measure (two factions, locked in eternal combat in a decaying city...so long that nobody remembers why).
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Couldn't agree more :)
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Thank you mr D.Vader. I accept with honour.
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It was great to see that actor that played Arthur in Excalibur in a role for the first time in a LONG time.
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That was his name.
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I say I'd like to see more off-planet, sci-fi but many of my favorites are on earth.
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You contain volumes :)
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Liked that one a lot too.
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Thanks!
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Jul 06, 2010 10:02:47 PM CDT
...anyway, I'm far behind and avoiding all spoilers, but...
by flickapoo
...you guys are doing good work in here.
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The thing I remember is that he actually played Arthur from a supposed age of 13 to old age. And he pulled it off! Made me wonder what his real age is now. Did they age him up for The Doctor's Daughter or is that how he really looks now? Great actor. He should have had a huge career.
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We've really kept it alive, huh?
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So you can geek out with us about all the series 5 episodes, too :)
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even though they look muddy on the HD tv. I need to get one of those upsampling DVD players with the HDMI out.
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I have not seen. THE HORROR! I was going through clips on youtube in my previous day's posting spree and found clips I did NOT recognize. And I call myself a fan. Phht.
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eccleston impersonator is perfect though. Hilarious.
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I know. I know. Thing is.. see.. I didn't start watching until a few in. I wasn't even really aware that a new series was on the way. Doctor Who had been off my radar since my childhood. Once I jumped in, I must have lost track of the episode numbers and missed a couple. I was grabbing them on a private, UK-centric torrent site that carried all the latest shows/radio, etc. I must have just missed a couple. But the nice thing is now.. for me it's like there's new Who for me. This will be fun.
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occasional Wossy and as many Later with Jools Holland as possible.
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I always do that, mix those two names up.
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But since the channel is in SD on DirecTV it's like watching through a glass of milk. Muddy and even the sound is bad.
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I love that Amy waited for her raggedy Doctor. But Rory out-waited her by becoming "the Man who waited" to a much greater extent than Amy was "the girl who waited". You think YOU can commit ? Watch this! lol
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...GODDAM THAT WAS GOOD.
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Wasn't it!!?? Amazing. Very creepy.
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being thing gave me the major chills.
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I'm over here immersed in YouTube clips again. Just watched an amazing rendition acoustically by Adrian Belew of Three of a Perfect Pair. Man that guy can play. I always assumed Fripp played that main guitar line. http://tinyurl.com/3762z9f
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...you are no match for my...
&zwj
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...I'm not sure what happened.
That doesn't usually happen during TV shows.
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Someone said italics was possible, but I have yet to see evidence.
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and they always fall flat on their faces.
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and they always fall flat on their faces.
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and they always fall flat on their faces.
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and they always fall flat on their faces.
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*looks around* sorry
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http://tinyurl.com/342klbv
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It says interview. But is only 2 min. http://tinyurl.com/35wkjhs
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http://tinyurl.com/35ge8qk
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http://tinyurl.com/2useg2w
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http://tinyurl.com/39waaee
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http://tinyurl.com/3adbh5y
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preview, see description for full interview. http://tinyurl.com/2v5gcrv
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http://tinyurl.com/2ul938j
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Interviews Matt Smith http://tinyurl.com/37989ss
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I'll be back later with more interviews, etc.
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I'll be back later with more interviews, etc.
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Interviews Karen Gillan. Ah, they flipped it. Clever. http://tinyurl.com/2u56dt7
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http://tinyurl.com/2bm9sh3
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http://tinyurl.com/2ephjfw
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seriously.
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http://tinyurl.com/2ag9upw
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http://tinyurl.com/28donh5
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http://tinyurl.com/29rpkmj
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http://tinyurl.com/27eztnv
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http://tinyurl.com/27s5hxy On GMTV
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Norton exterminated by a Dalek for ruining the end of the episode. http://tinyurl.com/285qzlc
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....here. This Tb is going strong....Is it time to make the joke about Amy's Crack again yet ?
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http://tinyurl.com/2d6yubt
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http://tinyurl.com/2bls4rv and the answer is both no and yes. If you think yes, check and make sure you're not more into the blokes. If you think no... well.. same.
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of average Joes and geeks a LOT of hope.
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That last clip.. ROFL!! Not for the kiddies. http://tinyurl.com/2c5l2hy
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http://tinyurl.com/3agqxt8
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I'm tired.
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Sleep well.
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Sleep well.
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Sleep well.
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...the episode '42' ( burn with me ) ...I thought that was one of the better non-Moffat RTD produced episodes. Mind you I've always had a bit of a thing for Michelle Collins.
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You have to ignore the physics to enjoy 42. But an oily Michelle Collins does help with that.
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Can't believe this talkbalk is still going.
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What the hell is a talkbalk? And why do I never check my spelling before posting?
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It was meh. Not one of the worst, but not one of the best.
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It seems kind of funny that they only got 5-6,000 complaints and thought that was a huge deal.
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one is enough for the BBC to feel as if something "must be DONE". That's typically the way it is here, too. The loudest and most offended get the most attention, even if they are in very small numbers. Typically what happens is their complaints are brought up by people desperate to justify their positions and salary. When the subject is offense, it's more inflammatory and gets more attention. The person "fighting" it can feel like a crusader or protector of some kind. This type of thing has been going on for centuries and the general public shows absolutely no sign of getting the picture, catching on to the scam. Frustrating stuff. I imagine in SOME ways it's worse in the UK. I mean look at how people reacted to Amy Pond. Using words like slut, whore, etc. All because you can see some leg. And let me tell you, having seen a LOT of the older companions, she's more nun-like than a LOT of them in the dress department. If you look at what's permissible on TV even for children, worldwide, Amy Pond should be their last concern.
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I personally think almost ANYTHING should just be ignored in the "sexy" department as long as it's not nudity considering the GOOD Doctor Who does for children. Here's a HERO that refuses violence for the most part. Hates guns. Protects the "other" (people who look or act differently) from being hated. He fights for good. And he's, as I've said before, maybe the world's first (and best) non-violent BADASS.
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He uses his brain as his most powerful weapon. Who could ask for a better hero for kids to look up to. So Amy Pond wears a short skirt and made a living being a kiss-o-gram. Lots of young women are low on options when they are young. Sometimes the only thing certain types of "principles" do is prevent you from paying your rent. So young women are pretty. Why not use it a bit to your advantage while you can? It's not exploitation if you get a check. If it is then every worker, male and female, all over the world, is being exploited equally. Show me a man that says he'd like to work a 9 to 5 for the rest of his life and I'll show you a liar. If that means the character of Amy Pond is a slut.. or a whore.. then so am I.
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all I ask is that you do it slowly and repeatedly. In that sexy voice I like.
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It's been covered.
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I really, really LIKE Amy Pond's character. Sure she has her weaknesses, as we all do. And even though it's not explained very well, her little moment with the Doctor makes sense to an extent. Everyone gets cold feet and can you imagine the way any young woman would react to being shown all that. By a young and what I would assume is an attractive young man (to someone, surely, and it does seem as though he has a lot of female fans). Almost any girl would have feelings. No matter how committed she is. And relationships are tricky. There's never a REAL balance. One of them is almost always completely head over heels and one is simply in love. If it were not that way, most relationships wouldn't last. You need at least one of the two MADLY in love. In her case it was Rory. And not her. It's nothing to be ashamed of or called names for. It's clear she loved him. It would seem that feeling, throughout the course of the series, became stronger. And that's one of the aspects that made their relationship so realistic to me. And what made it mean so much more. What gave it so much more IMPACT. Her realization through his sacrifice was a beautiful, touching moment. If it has played out in some other way and he love didn't grow naturally as it did, it wouldn't have meant as much. That's my take on it.
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"If it HAD played out in some other way and HER love didn't grow naturally as it did, it wouldn't have meant as much." THAT was what I was trying to type. But I'm still a somewhat hunt and pecker. (that came out wrong) And most of the letters on my keyboard have been rubbed off.
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Someone in the US would be calling to complain it was "promoting an inter-species sexuality AGENDA". lol
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For the first time in a long time, today I am a worker, a caregiver and a taxi. All in one day. I can handle 2 of them on any day. But 3? I think I'd better rest while I can.
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If you have a thought to post. Just try to do it in 3 parts instead of one. Then later we can all relax and just chat about Who.
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I'll be back in later.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Just got a 12 megapixel Kodak camera for 50 bucks on Woot. I'm not a spammer, so if you want it you'll have to google it. I'm just gloating. I've wanted a point and shoot for a while. I'll take some pics with it and share it when it gets here.
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So prepare your "awwwww"s.
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I try my best to always tell the truth. But in talkback I have been known to say goodbye and then pop back in for an hour. So there it is, my confession.
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Custard with fish dipping sticks. As always.
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I got the impression that people weren't necessarily complaining about "seeing leg" (ie her short skirt) but that they complained about the bit at the end of Flesh and Stone where she threw herself at the Doctor quite literally, to the point where she even got her leg on top of him (happy day for Matt Smith!) and basically told him all she was interested in was a little bit of fun. Personally I find that refreshing, that a character can be feminine and strong and sexual in her own way. I don't think she's a s.l.u.t. at all, and I've loved her since Eleventh Hour.
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As a former wedding photographer, don't expect too much from a Kodak. Surprisingly, they actually don't make very good cameras. You'll definitely get your money's worth, though :)
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Jul 07, 2010 10:32:10 AM CDT
On "42".........................................................
by axcel1
Everyone here knows that episode was a "24" type, meaning, it was in real time, 24 reversed is 42, get it?
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Jul 07, 2010 10:43:14 AM CDT
Oh, and, by the way.............................................
by axcel1
I like Rory, he is us, when you think about it. what he does, we would do.
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I dunno 'bout that. I wouldn't have waited 2000 years, personally. I have difficulty waiting 2000 seconds!
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I'm a Nikon guy. Have been for decades. It's just been so long since I've had a small point and shoot. I'm not expecting much, especially for 50 bucks. And yep.. the glass matters, and the size of the sensor, not the megapixels. I have a 3 MP Nikon 990 still that takes shots that'd put any 12 megapixel point and shoot to shame. Man, those cameras are not only great, but they seem to have character. Like the 990. Irreplaceable on some level, to me.
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I didn't even think about spoiling anything with my previous comments. So sorry.
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Need an upgrade, badly. It's not my favorite Nikon ever. But it's nice. Just getting a little long in the tooth and I WANT that HD video recording.
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entirely with a Canon 5D Mark II. And it looked gorgeous. Makes me wonder if I may finally move to Canon. Here's an article on PetaPixel about it: http://tinyurl.com/ya7ge25 Pretty amazing that it was shot with a pro-sumer camera. Sure, lots of lenses. But still.
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Touching little film shot with the same camera..http://tinyurl.com/yeejmpo
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http://tinyurl.com/2wlx7t9
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I have some custard and fish sticks left over from breakfast. Anyone fancy some?
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See you soon.
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See you soon.
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I'm more of a Canon girl myself... Nikons and Canons are pretty equal in quality from what I can tell, but the Canon menus make more sense to me. It's just what I'm used to.
I don't do weddings anymore, or anything but just for my own fun, so my old Canon Rebel XT does me just fine... though lately I have been pining to upgrade. If I do, which wouldn't be any time soon, I'll probably make the switch to Nikon. -
as to what fish sticks dipped in custard would taste like. It would either be absolutely horrible, or genius in that french-fries-dipped-in-a-chocolate-Frostie sorta way :)
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I'd make the switch to a rebel if they had 24p hd video.
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After seeing the differences. 1080i makes a big difference on movies, in my experience. The blurays in 1080p look much better than my satellite's 1080i. Probably has a lot to do with the compression Directv does.
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fish sticks and custard. I imagine it will be a one time experience. But I have to.
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Matt Smith used french toast sticks in that scene? Poor UK kids.
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They mentioned that in one of the Confidentials. It was a sort of muffin, I think. Not real fish sticks :)
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...have to do...don't worry about spoilers. I'll just pop in from time to time as I catch up.
Over in Pedalback one of our guys just started from the very beginning in the 60s. He's watching them all in order and is giving regular updates...a noble, and herculean task. -
That is... wow. Just wow.
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...every single one due to the BBC's haphazard storage and archiving back in the day.
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There are still some missing chunks, although they keep finding them. I remember reading Tomb of the Cybermen because there was no video of it, although they found it later on. I liked the book better, but the show isn't bad. It would be nice if BBC would put out real season boxes, even if they may have some holes in some of the B&W days. I pretty much saw anything Chicago PBS ran in the old days, which was pretty much everything they had at the time, I just don't remember most of it. Remove the spaces here if you want to learn more details... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes
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I got the feeling the crack was a bit of an answer to fans that don't like the addition of companion families in new Who, as if to say by not having a family the character is not fully realized, they have a hole in their story. With that said, I don't completely enjoy being saddled with the wise cracking mum who just doesn't get it, or any of that. So I wonder if they'll spend some time with Amy's family or if they will continue to not be a part of the stories?
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HOLY COW! I gotta see that. I thought of doing that, but in order to do it legally, it was too cost prohibitive. I'm already cheating a bit.
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You know, that's what's so funny and kind of annoying about the older stuff. If you go the way of the torrents, they are in order, chronologically. As complete as possible and updated when new things are added. If you buy DVDs, it's a mess. It should be the other way around.
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Yes, that would get tedious.
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Bernard Cribbins was AWESOME!! Period.
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I think I'll need to go watch more of those. They're usually great.
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Confidential?
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The man's been in over 90 productions in film or TV. Wow.
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Phonetically. Amusing.
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Phonetically? I think so.
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So I'm posting about running out of things to post.
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very, very tired. Anyone want to take over and act like a maniacal fan with a singular purpose?
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There. At least I can do another of these. You know one time I actually typed accidentally instead of So, on to the question. Would you want to see another male companion in the future? I know it's very early to be thinking of Amy leaving. (*shudder*) But what do you think of the idea? I mean a real one, not a third wheel or a passenger.
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It'd be okay.
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But I'm out of energy for today. Love you all. Have a great evening/morning. And POST FERGAHDSAKE!
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Sleep well.
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Sleep well.
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Sleep well.
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So here's a genuine, very carefully clicked, single post. Please forgive me this one last transgression.
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Instead of up. It's going to slide quickly now isn't it. Sorry, I just have to get sleep.
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Goodnight.
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Honest to gahd. I just dreamt I was teaching sign language with Karen Gillan to senior citizens. I do not know sign language. Or Karen Gillan. But I had hoped if she did show up it would be in a more entertaining and less philanthropic fashion. (maybe we were paid?)
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Mz Gillan would be best described as philanthropic.
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No I'm not.
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My wife shoots on a Nikon D300, she's very happy with that one. Wasn't interested in the video shooting though as the newer 's' model had just launched but it was more expensive. Editing 1080 HD video takes a beast of a machine to do smoothly, I'm sure in a few years it'll become the norm that the entry level computers can handle it. I remember editing video on an Amiga with two VCr's and some control software/hardware where you had to sellotape an IR transmitter to the VCR
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as long as the stories are good, I don't care about the gender of the companion(s).
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You still in the Chicago area?
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My flatmate hates it but I really like it.
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He is a fictional character created in some way to reflect a certain culture at a certain time, time has moved on yet his morality seems mired in the decade he was created in.Maybe it reflects some deep seated British fear of sex or sexuality that so many people seem so opposed to thinking of the Doc as a sexual creature.His very alienness could mean he has a very enlightened and healthy attitude towards sex which could be channelled into helping create a happy society!?! or at least give us some romantic stories, the show sometimes feels a little staid in the romance department, or forced to do the same companion falls for the Doc story over and over.Lets see him fall for someone, it worked well the last time with Madame Pompadour.
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It has to survive until xmas. We save it, we won't loose it. We overfill it, it dies the White Sreen Of Death, you know? Please, gotlik! You're a true fan, you've proven it! Now please take it a little slower from now on! We don't have another TB for DW until then. Please have that in mind! It's already started to load slower... someday in the near future it's practically gone... and then too early for its age....
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A Madame de Pompadour type romance? Yes. Absolutely, I loved that! One of my favorite Tennant episodes :)
Another Rose? No thank you!
Doctor Who, apparently, is a kids' show... I have to remind myself that constantly because, I'll admit, as an American I have a hard time wrapping my head around that concept. I just rewatched Empty Child/Doctor Dances last night, and I can tell you that a good portion of the dialog in that two-parter (which I think shows the Doctor's healthy attitude towards sex) would have pissed off quite a few people in an American audience, especially for a "family show". You would have had entire organizations boycotting the show for that alone, never mind the ending of Flesh and Stone. I think this came up before, but we just don't have shows like Doctor Who that are geared towards kids, and any show that is must be completely devoid of sexual reference, homo or hetero. Remember, our founders' ancestors were the religious nutjobs you all shoved off *LOL* You may very well have some deep-seated fear of sex over there, but I'll bet ya dollars to donuts it doesn't compare to our particular flavor of prude, especially in certain areas of the US. -
Point taken and understood. But I would like to see what others think. Which is more important to all of you? Remaining visible, or "surviving" (for those of you with small browser caches) until Xmas episode? For me, I'd like to see it remain visible for as long as possible, realizing that actually being usable until the Xmas season is unrealistic no matter what I do. But I'll do whatever you people want me to do. I'll respect it if you want me to scale back the posting and let the talkback fall off the radar.
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I have one "beast" of a machine that would most likely do it slowly but well. I can't wait to play with HD video. I got a taste of it with an HD webcam and could not believe how good even that looked.
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I want one! That sounds great.
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I get it. It's a kid's show. But it's clearly not a LITTLE kid's show. The Sarah Jane Adventures is more along those lines. Clearly. But the way people view the doctor and sexuality is a little.. odd. The thing you have to remember and examine is the fact that MANY "kid's shows" feature moms and dads, with kids. They even kiss sometimes. The sexuality, while not on display in vulgar detail, is implied. The argument against the Doctor being in a relationship that IMPLIES indirectly a sexual relationship , I believe, has very little to do with expectations for a children's show. If that were the basis for the argument then every married couple in a children's show would be offensive. This is obviously not the case. So what is it? The implication of the Doctor's mature relationship obviously would never be on display in any prurient way. If it is sanctity, then what is the basis and reason for it? (not that sanctity has ever existed in the realm of reason) Why is it that we expect the Doctor to live a monk-like existence? And if not, why is the companion off-limits? Is it a sense of exploitation? Would he be seen as taking advantage due to the power of his abilities and the technology/experience/maturity he embodies? Then you must ask in what scenario would the Doctor NOT be seen as taking advantage? Is he only allowed to be with his own kind? If that's the case, that's a rather selfish expectation when you consider he is now the only left of his ilk. Is River Song the only woman worthy of a relationship with him because of her experience and worldliness? In spite of his maturity, the doctor has almost always given off an air of child-like wonder and innocence. It could almost be argued that River would be the one taking advantage. Perhaps that has something to do with it. When we object to an implied romance involving the Doctor, are we objecting because we are being protective of the companion or character, or are we being protective of the Doctor? Do we expect him to remain perpetually innocent in some way? He's clearly old enough to be of breeding age, even for a Time Lord. Why is it that we can only accept a daughter or a son if it's some kind of genetic accident or DNA mix-up? I may have pretty good questions, but I'm afraid I still have very few answers.
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Some input regarding what wtriker1701 suggested would be helpful. I'm not going to act or not act on one person's suggestion or opinion. But it's not a bad point. It just depends on what everyone values more. Sticking around and on the site's radar in some way or being readable on legacy browsers and mobile browsers/people with small web caches until the Christmas season? I can certainly keep this thing going for a very long time. But even if I were to stop now, we'd still have this huge talkback that most likely no-one would remember/know about once that time comes. I'm going to stop for the moment and wait for some feedback from others.
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if at that point anyone will go to the trouble of digging for it once it's not on the top talkbacks for the last 24hrs.
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Just so you nutters know.. the Dojo sees all and salutes you!
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Thank you master.
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Really? Did Columbus wait for feedback? Did Bale ask for feedback before he exploded all over a DP? Did Jay Maynard ask for feedback when he practically exposed his diminutive manhood to the entire Internet using the wrong material to construct his Tron costume? Some say it is better to ask for forgiveness than the ask for permission. I say it's far better for a man to ask for a sandwich than it is for that same man to ask for a hand with that itch that is JUST out of reach. Should I refuse to reach for the stars because Casey Kasem has ties to Al Qaeda? I think not my fellow professionals! I .. think... not.
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Under offline storage (it's actually cache) pick a number larger than 99mb. Click OK. Remember, it's good to occasionally go in there and click "clear". This applies to Firefox. For all other browsers, seek an adult or use your powers of deduction.
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I will do my best to temper justice with mercy. Oh wait. No. I'll do my best to not over-do it yet still keep this talkback going. Sometimes, this will seem excessive. Sometimes, it will not. And when it's just me, it will just be me and SEEM like I'm over-doing it. In fact, I'm just keeping it alive. Please help.
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I do not.
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Please join in.
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keeping the talkback visible, there have been some really, really good discussions.
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just because we're trying to be "careful" about it and preserve something that may not be use-able when the time comes anyway.
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Should I keep doing this or "save" it for Xmas, when we'll probably have another talkback dedicated for the Xmas special anyway?
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When Xmas rolls around, there WILL be a Xmas special talkback ANYWAY.
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..right?
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I really do have to go.
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And if I did, I apologize. I agree with Doctor Dan. It was a starling triumph.
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In case anyone missed the link before. http://tinyurl.com/czfo3c
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Nothing I do seems to make the number go up. Just bad timing.
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Hrumph
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and a netbook that is pretty sluggish. And this talkback still loads fairly quickly.
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It's been fun. Love you all.
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Fish Custard.
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out a bit. Find all of this series' talkbacks and slowly bring them back to the forefront. Do you think we'd get in trouble for doing that? It would certainly keep the discussions going. But it might dilute them as well. We could do it one talkback at a time. In REVERSE.. in the spirit of the show. Anyone up for that? I could get it started and then when it pops up on the right, everyone else could join in?
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weekend. That'll be fun. I'll get back to posting my impressions of the shows. I like the idea someone mentioned before of going back to the beginning and writing reviews for each episode. I'm not sure if I'm a good enough writer to do it justice. But I could try. And at least it'd be more on-topic than repeated posts about fish custard and jelly babies.
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weekend. That'll be fun. I'll get back to posting my impressions of the shows. I like the idea someone mentioned before of going back to the beginning and writing reviews for each episode. I'm not sure if I'm a good enough writer to do it justice. But I could try. And at least it'd be more on-topic than repeated posts about fish custard and jelly babies.
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touch my monkey.
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POST. Please.
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"Why is it that we can only accept a daughter or a son if it's some kind of genetic accident or DNA mix-up?"
Not sure I agree with that. I haven't really known anyone who has a problem with the Doctor being a dad. It's mentioned quite often in nu-Who that he was, and it's implied that it was a "normal" parentage. But perhaps you're talking about the characters' reactions when they find out he had kids? Well, he appears so young, and never mentions his children, and as humans that usually indicates someone who is childless. I think that's why it surprises characters and viewers unfamiliar with this detail of the Doctor's life. -
...I have a touch of fever so my brain isn't exactly working with me here, but I'm still trying to slug my way through the work day. Only two hours to go...
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the only one we "meet" was created by a "progenation machine"(The Doctor's Daughter). You see what I mean now? I hope you feel better. Don't just let it go if it gets worse. See a doctor.
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Jul 08, 2010 3:58:03 PM CDT
We are now number 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
Can we keep this going until Christmas? YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 08, 2010 4:00:26 PM CDT
Well, may we can................................................
by axcel1
Sorry, I was gone for a while, 'net connection went down for a day.
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Yeah...lets go out in a blaze of Glory and keep this thing at the top of talkbacks until it explodes.....then like you say go backwards through the episodes in the spirit of a Moffat series Arc. Actually if you look closely at the talkback for Time of Angels I was in fact wearing a Jacket that I'm not now.
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Well Gotik, you are still here, well done lad! :)
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I know someone who has the series. I should borrow it.
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Woo Hoo!
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but this time I'll need some help. I'll get on it tonight.
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is getting lost in the noise.
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Best thing to do, if you read this, is post. A few times.
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I was absoloutely distraught and cried for hours after the final episode. I think my Mother complained to the BBC. She said it was mean and cruel to have that happen.
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Do it for Avon and Villa.
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I think you do meet some of the Doctor's family (grand-daughter?) in classic Who episodes but I might be wrong. I haven't seen many classic episodes yet.
It would make sense that we haven't met many sons/daughters of the Doctor's, though. He doesn't go back to visit his companions, Sarah Jane being a rare exception, so any Doctor spawn would just be floating out there in the wide universe, never to be seen.
It would be funny, though, for the Doctor to have a surprise baby-daddy moment *LOL*
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Ace: "I can distract the guards." Doctor: "How?" Ace: "Professor, I'm not a little girl."
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It was a brutal way to end my favourite show...too much for my fragile little 7 or 8 yr old mind. Of course there was no such thing as spoilers back then.
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And I call myself a drooling sci fi goober. Phht.
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That would be deeply uncomfortable for him, and very funny.
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The 2000!
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Wasn't that the tagline to some rubbish film
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I never had such an emotional investment in a show until I was a bit older. And that was just SeaQuest *LOL*
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Yes, I think it was. And I have no idea. I thought it sounded dramatic though.
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was the name of the movie. Yay Google machine!
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Can't go wrong with Roy Scheider. He was awesome.
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I loved Capt Bridger, he was such an awesome character. No idea why they went the direction they did.
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Sad about Brandis, too.
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I'll admit, I had a bit of a crush on him as a girl.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:13:53 PM CDT
I thought Blakes 7 was a good series............................
by axcel1
It was an interesting way to end the show. It was kind of the "farscape" of it's time.
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was like a father figure to me. And I adored Dr. Westphalen. :)
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*sniff*
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Jul 08, 2010 7:15:16 PM CDT
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
WE ARE NOW NUMBER 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 08, 2010 7:20:19 PM CDT
SeaQuest I liked, too...........................................
by axcel1
Easy answer to why it changed, suits interference, it's the same reason the Baby 5 spin-off failed.
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I always do that.
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and engendered a love of the ocean that I really appreciate. But then they brought on Michael Ironside and made it all military and entirely too sci-fi. I like my sci-fi with a balance of humor and heart, and that was just lost. :o\
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The American character in Tomb of the Cybermen is an over-annunciating ass. *LOL*
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Jul 08, 2010 7:28:45 PM CDT
You can't go wrong with Michael Ironside either.................
by axcel1
Yes, I agree, the series did take a strange direction, but, I like Michael Ironside's character.
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I didn't like his character.
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2 min each side in olive oil, high heat, pan. Topped with a pat of butter and into a 400 degree oven for 10 min = PERFECTION. Tender goodness. Slice through it like buttah. Man, I'm getting into this cooking thing. I may have a knack.
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Not so much of Seaquest.
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Not so much ON Seaquest.
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Not so much ON Seaquest.
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Not so much ON Seaquest.
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All I tried to do was fix a typo.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:33:51 PM CDT
frozen01, I understand what you are saying, but.................
by axcel1
I liked both the Roy Scheider SeaQuest and the Michael Ironside SeaQuest.
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Have you seen Tomb of the Cybermen?
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Jul 08, 2010 7:36:01 PM CDT
Ok, gotilk, we get it...........................................
by axcel1
Yeah, Ironside is awesome. Not so much ON Seaquest.
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I liked 'em both, too. How could you not? :)~ I just like Ironside's SeaQuest for other reasons, but if it had come first, I probably would not have loved SeaQuest as much as I did.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:41:16 PM CDT
Bottom line....................................................
by axcel1
Major american tv networks should not put scifi shows on the air, 99% of them with be canceled. Thank god for the UK, I may be wrong, but, they seem to treat all tv shows equally.
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I don't know about ALL shows, but they do seem to have better luck with sci-fi. Look at all the shows dealing with time travel, just amazing...
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Jul 08, 2010 7:45:17 PM CDT
frozen01, again, I agree........................................
by axcel1
It became two different shows with the same name, almost.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:47:05 PM CDT
Well, I did say 99%.............................................
by axcel1
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but so many duds, too. How V is still on the air boggles my mind.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:51:26 PM CDT
On the subject of tv shows changing.............................
by axcel1
Have you ever seen an old tv show called, "Voyage to the Bottum of the Sea"? That show started out as military action, end up as scifi, with robots and alien invasions every week.
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sound like Uncle Jimbo's friend from South Park.
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I stopped watching when they only showed 4 episodes last year.
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http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=oi2iog_XFAE
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I thought it was too. I tried a couple of times to get into it, but V was just soooooooooo boring.
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Jul 08, 2010 7:58:17 PM CDT
I did say, "old"................................................
by axcel1
As in, the 60's. It was one of the many Irwin Allen tv shows at that time. It had the usual, Bad FX, bad rubber suited monsters, it was bad, but, in a good way.
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There are people who would call SeaQuest old. And they would make me cry *LOL*
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Jul 08, 2010 8:04:30 PM CDT
Like I said.....................................................
by axcel1
Major american tv networks should not put scifi shows on the air. When all 3 networks put on alien invasion shows, I didn't watch any of them, because, I knew they would be canceled, either mid-season or at the end of the first season. And, I was RIGHT!!!!
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Sorry, don't watch too much network TV.
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Jul 08, 2010 8:08:34 PM CDT
SeaQuest was, what..............................................
by axcel1
15 years ago, right? Not that old.
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But by today's standards, that's ancient.
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I think, NBC had "Invasion", about a government agency that looks into an impending alien invasion, CBS had, can't remember the name, this one was an invasion from the sea near a small town, with the Sheriff infected and helping the invaders, and, ABC, I can't remember that one at all.
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That did well.
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Jul 08, 2010 8:23:04 PM CDT
Ok, got it wrong................................................
by axcel1
"Invasion" was the invasion from the sea near a small town, with the Sheriff infected and helping the invaders, and, it was on ABC.
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Jul 08, 2010 8:28:51 PM CDT
And, "Threshold"................................................
by axcel1
was the name of the show about a government agency that looks into an impending alien invasion.
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was one I missed when it was first on. LAND OF THE GIANTS! I remember watching it when I was a kid on repeats and that theme music alone was enough to fuel hours of play afterward.
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sounds like UNIT or Torchwood.
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That music was John Williams.
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I didn't watch such cool shows when I was a kid. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Thundercats is all I remember.
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http://tinyurl.com/2vq2thh
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That was so awful/awesome :)
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Jul 08, 2010 8:40:36 PM CDT
Yes, frozen01, it does, but.....................................
by axcel1
It was about ONE alien invasion, I believe.
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Did you guys see the YouTube video of Matt Smith playing the Doctor Who theme with Orbital at Glastonbury 2010?
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on YouTube. The animation is cool. Reminds me a lot of one of the best openings of any show, ever...Cowboy Bebop - Yoko Kanno..http://tinyurl.com/29a2xra Live! http://tinyurl.com/27ev2pb pureawesome
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Jul 08, 2010 8:44:04 PM CDT
I am interested in Primeval, but................................
by axcel1
So far, only 2 seasons, with only 8 episodes a season. They are filming season 4, but, won't be showing season 3 until January 2011.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrNGxDxgwLY
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I just have to recognize perfection. And THAT is how you write a theme.
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I'm watching series 3 of Primeval on Netflix streaming right now.
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Yeah the Orbital thing with Matt Smith was great!
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going to play out. Loved the last mini-series. Great but very down ending. Didn't expect it to go there at all.
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Setting it up almost like a Who episode, with the kids and all. Then giving us all a punch to the gut at the end just when we'd usually be expecting someone like the Doctor to step in and save the day at the last second. Nope. really.. really..dark. Almost too much so. But at least it had some real gravitas.
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I'll be watching the premiere of American Torchwood with bated breath. I really have no idea if it will be good or absolute rubbish.
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killing off so many beloved characters.
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Jul 08, 2010 8:56:48 PM CDT
Ok, I was wrong.................................................
by axcel1
My info on Primeval was from Scifi wire. The third season was last year, forth season is next year.
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I have my worries, too. At least it's on a network that has some guts. Starz. The network that is not afraid of showing ANYTHING whatsoever. Just look at an episode of Spartacus. If you dare. They may as well have titled it "bloody, naked violent sex".
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So, maybe it's set in the US, since it's a BBC/STARZ coproduction?
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big :(
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Torchwood was always like that, though. Like DW but would always take it a step or two further. But you're right, a complete punch to the gut, wow.
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It's on the list, though.
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But, I'll take what I can get, better than nothing.
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Everyone has sex and kills each other, in Rome.
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I heard that it's going to take place all over the world, and not be tied to one location like it was in Cardiff.
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But shooting isn't starting for quite a while. I guess it's pretty much guaranteed if they're moving the actors out here. I WANT it to be amazing.
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Jul 08, 2010 9:05:37 PM CDT
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
WE'RE NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE NUMBER FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 08, 2010 9:08:44 PM CDT
It will be amazing..............................................
by axcel1
It will be an amazing 10 episode season.
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I mean direct to video bad. Horrible writing, horrible acting, made like a WalMart version of 300. Then, somehow... it became AMAZING as it went along. Still has it's moments of cheese, but very worth watching. I remember by the end of the first episode I was wondering how long it would be before we started seeing augmented breasts in ancient Rome. And the language in many cases is VERY modernized. In the beginning in a sluggish, uncomfortable way. Then it just somehow all gelled eventually and became interesting and entertaining as hell.
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I wasn't even paying attention. We sure are! GREAT!!
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we'll be number one!! Avatar? Inception? Iron Lady? PHHHHHT! Amateurs. The Doctor is where it's at.
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I will keep that in mind when I finally get to see it...
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Live Who music with Murray Gold, presented by Freema Agyeman.
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Love the looks on some of the kid's faces. They are freaked out by some of the monsters. http://tinyurl.com/2wgbyzc
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Jul 08, 2010 9:19:56 PM CDT
Time to sleep...................................................
by axcel1
See everyone tomorrow, I hope.
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down a notch on the show.
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http://tinyurl.com/394nuh6
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Bit early, but lots of rest = a less sick Renee, and I have a big weekend ahead. So until tomorrow guys!
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http://tinyurl.com/2cf8bft
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everyone. It's been fun. See you tomorrow.
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http://tinyurl.com/23p6fzn
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy.
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy.
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy.
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy.
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy.
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I'm out of ideas and full of drowsy. why won't it load
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hrmph
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Dream well, Gallifreyans.
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goodnight.
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...first episode was by far the weakest...by the time John Hannah and Xeena show up it's great.
Brilliantly adolescent, and flaming in every way. Free flowing full frontal flaming female nudity, flaming oiled up dudes, flaming over the top gore...I love it.
Do not watch it sober.
Do not watch it alone.
Do not watch it with another guy.
I can't wait for next season.
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Jul 08, 2010 11:16:55 PM CDT
Any Gallireyans left in here? Is that what you're calling this?
by scarywaitress
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Much better. Thank you!
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That's hilariously true. It's a "flaming show". lol
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DOCBACK sounds like someone is losing part of their paycheck. WhoBack is much better.
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Still... WhoBack just feels better.
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Is that an opportunity I see?
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Is that an opportunity I see?
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Yes.
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Yes, I believe it is.
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narf
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I must leave.
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See you around breakfast.
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WhoBack still sounds great.
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Later.
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Look how happy we are together. http://tiny.cc/g7i31
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I dunno. Reminds me of the "goobacks" from South Park
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You rule. Everyone should have one of those. You're really reducing your carbon pawprint with that you know.
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Yes, it does remind me of that now that you mention it. Maybe DocBack is better.
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People are so careless with dogs. This was a nearly adult but definite puppy still. German Shepherd mixed maybe with black lab or border collie. Wouldn't come to me after I almost hit it because it ran out in the road in front of me. The next dog I get (shelter dog or stray) I will name the face of bo. Or Davros. NEVER K-9!
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but I really want a border collie. Face of Bo, the border collie. Or Davros the border collie.
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My beautiful shepherd/rottweiler mix. She knows many, many tricks and can sniff out money (picking which hand has the cash, with about 95% accuracy) or pretty much anything, especially treats. She doesn't just shake, she shakes and knows what "other paw" and "same paw" mean. Lies down, rolls over. Sits up on two legs. Knows stay (very well, with a very intense look), will leave any yummy treat alone if you say "leave it" until you say "take it". Her only downside is that she hates cats with a passion and regularly brings me rats as gifts. Sometimes still alive. :( !! Fantastic dog.
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I need to get the custard ready. The fish sticks are already cooked. Yum.
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week. But I've been swamped and of course in between, posting here to keep this going.
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week. But I've been swamped and of course in between, posting here to keep this going.
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Serious? Funny? Campy? Hard sci fi? I may try to borrow it next week.
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But if not. Post a lot. Maybe we can reach number one again.
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highly professional.
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"where's the f^(!ng catering? I was promised catered food. I was in the &*(*t75 Muppet Movie, you hacks!! Someone either gets me some raw fish right this instant or will be looking for new employment by noon.. I don't care if the cinematographer has to go do it." or something.
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long enough to see us to 200 right now. :(
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if only this thing would load faster. It is getting sluggish. Maybe if I clear my cache.
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But this will be the real test.
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If you want this thing to load much faster, try clearing your cache every once in a while. It really does help.
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other sites that don't matter. Their data, I mean. I'll shut up now.
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here in the DocBack.
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we broke 2000 posts yesterday. A momentous occasion. Marked by some goofball post by me about my lunch or something.
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Named after Jewel Staite's character in Firefly (but spelled slightly differently).
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Love the finale and thoroughly enjoyed the entire season, but does anyone else think that Moffat over did the whole title thing? The Girl Who Waits, The Boy Between the Worlds, The Girl and the Fireplace...
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Jul 09, 2010 10:48:20 AM CDT
Blake's 7 was different.........................................
by axcel1
Like I said earlier, it was the "Farscape" of it's time. It did end on a sour note.
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Obsessive-compulsiriffic!!
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Or if you're Canadian, aboot?
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Oh I don't know... about 2073 posts by now.
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trouble breathing. So I might not be around today. I have to be there, and then sleep and then go to work. I'll try my best to pop in while I wait around for things. That's the way hospitals are. Lots of waiting around. Free wi-fi? Not so sure yet. She's going to be okay. Just basically an asthma attack. Her condition was improving as she was leaving in the ambulance.
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It's about keeping the TB alive until Christmas apparently :)
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but that's just because it's happened so often in the last few months. I'm very concerned. But this is nothing compared to a heart attack, or if she was having low blood sugar at the same time or something. Way off topic, I know. Sorry. It's just that I might fall off the radar suddenly. So you lovely people might want to kind of take over for me if that happens.
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Either that or.. just keeping it visible for as long as possible. And silliness. Lots and lots of silliness.
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To be fair "The Girl in the Fireplace" was only the title of the episode, and was not used to describe anyone in the episode itself, I don't think (except in "Human Nature", John Smith's girlfriend chides him by saying he has "a girl in every fireplace").
"The Girl Who Waits" is Amy, but who is "The Boy Between The Worlds"? Is that Rory? Cuz I don't remember that line and can't find a reference through Google.
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Gotta go hang at the hospital now. Wish me luck around all that antibiotic-resistant, flesh eating crap hanging out on the doorknobs.
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I probably won't be on too much myself this weekend. I'm pretty active in the local Ren Faire and it's opening tomorrow.
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The finale was perfect. The wholeb season was perfect. This next year will b even better, u watch.
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or can u buy the whole season in one set? I want the blueray.
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j/k!! Yeah I know it was River Song.
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So are u going for number 1 or what?
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hope all is ok
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shrug
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the first one that made me wince at its cheesiness. Kind of hardcore that they couldn't save the girl and how she got killed off. But even this was not played up as much as it could've been. And Rory is kind of a distraction. The writing hints at good concepts like the Doctor being conflicted about allowing a whole race in order to save his precious Earthlings, but it is not nearly developed enough to make me really care,
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Waiting to hear if she's coming right back. Hope so.
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Jul 09, 2010 3:38:18 PM CDT
gotilk, you say goodbye.........................................
by axcel1
But, we say hello, hello, hello, I don't know why you say goodbye, we say hello, hellllllooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2010 3:43:08 PM CDT
Asimov_Lives, just so we understand each other..................
by axcel1
Rory is not going anywhere, and, that's the bottum line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2010 3:45:26 PM CDT
And, MoffatBabies, woooooooooooooooooooo........................
by axcel1
I thought I was the only one who thought this season (series) was PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But, I'll say helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2010 4:17:14 PM CDT
Awww... I Used "Whobackers" about a week ago
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
Do i have a face that nobody listens to... again?
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And not ginger.
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Will the Predators snatch him before the police arrest / shoot him?
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Yes, they release the episodes on DVD in chunks, but then they release the whole series in one set.
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Yeah, but I don't think we were really supposed to care. They were still supposed to be the baddies of the episode, and her appeal to the Doctor was almost reminiscent of the Slitheen's plea to #9 to spare her.
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WE'RE NUMBER THREE, WE'RE NUMBER THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's nice to see such enthusiastic fans. Really makes me wonder if fandom is like this in other countries. The tour in the UK seemed to focus a lot on children, so we really didn't get much of an exposure to how it is over there.
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Jul 09, 2010 8:20:46 PM CDT
Yes, now, number 4..............................................
by axcel1
Thems the breaks, kids
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Jul 09, 2010 8:26:36 PM CDT
Oh, shoot.......................................................
by axcel1
now, number 5
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I actually think it's pretty funny.
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actually DID say "Whobackers" a while back. I like DocBack.
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we're the number ONE DocBack of all time.
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Funny you should quote that lyric. That lyric is like a cancer in my brain. So much so that I used to insert it subliminally into my own recordings/songs.
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exhausted. Burnt out. Need rest. But can't shut the old noggin off.
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I guess it'll have to wait for a little while.
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What should I do? Hmmm... let's see.
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I think that just might do the trick. Since I'm not going to be sleeping with my brain this awake.
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and my mind just will not wind down.
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When I watched "The Trial of a Time Lord" with the Valeyard (spelling?) the master's lines when he's on the video screen are either intentionally ultra-funny-camp or unintentionally. Such a great story, too. But that was The Master at very strong cheese levels. We're talking Limburger here. With some gorgonzola. And when he says "I am in control of The Matrix" I nearly prayed he would say he was "the one".
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or Camembert.
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or Camembert.
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Be back in a bit.
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Be back in a bit.
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What a great line. BOW BEFORE THE MASTER, for you are but a mere nincompoop.
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But Anthony Ainley had that melodrama dastardly thing going for him that no-one could get away with now.
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and get lunch today(I was a taxi for part of the day), I walked into a TV showroom. Home theater showroom actually. All projection systems, only. They had this way of doing frame and resolution interpolation. I swear, it looked like I was watching a 4k projection. Even though it was only 1080p signal. They were playing UP, Avatar and Alice In Wonderland blu-rays. The Avatar demo with the interpolation turned on to high was STUNNING. I'd only seen Avatar in 3d. So here was this crisp, bright image of the film before my eyes and I was blown away. The motion was so smooth it almost looked hyper-real. The live action had some of that digital "shine" back in it. I have no other way to describe the look. It still looked amazing. But since the frame rate was so high (interpolated of course), I guess it had a very non-film feel to it. Maybe too close to real life in a way. I could see Sigourney Weaver's nose hairs fergahdsakes. I had to leave pretty quickly to get back to the hospital, I do not recall the name of the company. But the set-ups they had were phenomenal. One huge one with screen, projector, blu-ray player, audio system was around 5 grand. Way out of my price range, but for a 90 inch screen? That looks that amazing at any angle? How could anyone buy a non-projections system at those prices. The leap for a "TV" at that size would be more along the lines of 20 grand with the whole setup. And it would not look that good. Not AS good. Waaaaheyhey off topic, I know. But I feel I have to inject something other than "had lunch.. going to work.. bye" over and over and over. Right?
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Too late now.
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movie. Sylvester McCoy was great! McGann? Nearly perfect. I agree now that he never got the shot he deserved. But Eric Roberts as the Master? wooohooohoooo.. wow that is BAD.
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film but had to stop and go back to watching McCoy's episodes? It wasn't so much that it was bad as a whole. It's just that when it was bad, it was very.. very... bad.
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to play The Master. Someone like, say, Wil Wheaton. I like Wil. I think he's great. Tons of potential still not seen. Tons of talent. But completely wrong for the role. Right? Well, you could have dressed Wil up in his STTNG costume to play the master with a glue-on beard and he would have been a better choice than ERIC ROBERTS?
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That must have been one wild set of ad wizards.
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At least it would have been funny instead of like a walking middle finger to Who fans.
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Name the top 5 choices to play The Master that would have been worse than Eric "Squinty" Roberts.
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1. Flip Wilson
2. Tiny Tim
3. Droopy (yep, the animated character)
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...and how can I go back in time to fan the source so they burn to their deaths?
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you think? Or should I go on?
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What to talk about with myself?
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a little. Be back in a bit.
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But it'll be worth it.
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Have not used that in a while.
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Hope you like it. Pretty funny.
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in all it's animated gif glory...
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http://tinyurl.com/25lhxpm
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c'mon.
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c'mon.
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http://tinyurl.com/25lhxpm
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That was easier than I recall.
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But if not.. look out. I have the animated gif bug again.
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I'm starting a slowclap right here.
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I made it for all of you. Hope you liked it. Just didn't want it to get lost in the noise... so here's the link again. http://tinyurl.com/25lhxpm
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Jul 10, 2010 6:20:06 AM CDT
So, gotilk......................................................
by axcel1
Did you like or dislike "The Trial of a Time Lord"?
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I actually DID love it. Really. In spite of the occasional cheese factor, what a great story! Really kind of ahead of it's time. Borderline cyberpunk, very kind of 1990s-2000s story. WAY before. Loved the scooby doo reveal moment, with the rubber mask and all. Other great stuff: The MEGABYTE MODEM. Wow. "There's nothing you can do to prevent the catharsis of spurious morality!" That's a mouthful. Even though it pre-dates "The Matrix", I wonder if they could get away with featuring the Who Universe's "Matrix" in a future storyline without being accused of being unoriginal. Did "The Matrix" ever pop up again in other stories? Finally, yeah, I liked it a lot. Even though it features the most annoying companion ever.
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Might as well try to go the distance.
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while having been done before (EVIL-side of a character in the flesh.. original series Star Trek comes to mind) I thought was great. Would like to see them tackle that again.
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they MUST reference somehow that the Gallifreyan Matrix pre-dated that movie series in 20th century earth culture.. you know.. the one with the one amazing film and the so-so sequels. lol
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Hope your day is going well.
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Full PDF, free. From the European Journal of Cultural Studies. Alan McKee: University of Queensland - Author. http://tinyurl.com/2btc3cn Might be a good read. I'll have to find out later.
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On "The Sound of Young America" Audio programme: http://tinyurl.com/yye2hp3
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Matt Smith was stopped at Heathrow when the scanner nabbed him for carrying a sonic screwdriver!! lol http://tinyurl.com/y9efl65
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time I had to nip to the toilet they followed me. I’ve now learnt this is the norm on Doctor Who!”Int. Matt Smith, one nation magazine...http://tinyurl.com/28kaefn
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to tell the story they want to tell. Look at this article. It claims a LOSS for the latest series of Who. Many people will just see the headline and make an assumption. Yet if you dig into the piece, you'll see that the show did just as well and possibly better, considering. It aired during a WORLD CUP MATCH fergahdsake. Numbers like that against a world cup match are staggering. And yes, many watch online or time-shifted with their DVRs. The article should have said "Doctor Who triumphs in spite of obstacles" OR at least "Doctor Who does surprisingly well up against World Cup". Meh, here it is... http://tinyurl.com/2ddzds5
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http://tinyurl.com/2g6vn33
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http://tinyurl.com/289uxrg
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http://tinyurl.com/289uxrg
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I'm building a little site... but it's going to have user AND editor accounts. If anyone would be interested in doing Doctor Who reviews starting at the time of the Xmas special and then into the new series, let me know. I won't have time to write the reviews but as I'm a huge fan now I'd like my site to have some Who content.
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It won't be like an attempt to clone a place like this. It's just a personal site with a few friends being able to use it to blog and post their content/music/photography/links/writing, etc etc.
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(NO not like that!) and put all the different pies I have my fingers in, in one place.
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Including mention of Tom Baker not being well received initially.
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here's the link...http://tinyurl.com/36kphxl
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awesome!http://tinyurl.com/37zspay
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http://tinyurl.com/ooqpaa (funny Tennant photo, too)
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Jul 10, 2010 9:08:13 AM CDT
gotilk, One quick post before I got out for a while.............
by axcel1
First, we both agree on 2 things, "The Trial of a Time Lord" was great and Mel was the most annoying companion ever. How they could replace Peri with Mel boogles the mind. And, B., what favor of pies are you putting your fingers in? LOL
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Fascinating article: http://tinyurl.com/y28qqe2
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idea was inspired by the existential terror of some LSD experiences is a real mind blower. That article is so cool. There's got to be tons of material in the BBC archives like that. Just really amazing trivia about the show and it's creators.
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would not have destroyed himself without LSD is poppycock. The man had all sorts of other problems and he took drugs much more dangerous than LSD. The root of his issues were born long before Mr Hoffman took his magical bike ride into the innerverse.
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Jul 10, 2010 9:20:41 AM CDT
gotilk..........................................................
by axcel1
My favorites are apple and blueberry.
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These are SO cool.. I want that little stubby OOD. And that Weeping Angel. Even as a cutesy toy, that Weeping Angel is downright creepy. http://tinyurl.com/8nmaa7
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Banana cream and Key Lime. LOL
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I like the Matt Smith and iDalek. http://tinyurl.com/2apfxua
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was inspired by the existential terror of some LSD experiences? Here I thought it was because Hartnell wasn't in good health.
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But for some reason, everything but the keychains look a little below the quality of the Who stuff. http://tinyurl.com/2vl6xxw
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Jul 10, 2010 9:29:17 AM CDT
Oh, well........................................................
by axcel1
My favorite cream pies are Banana cream and chocolate cream.
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http://tinyurl.com/339jdlo I like that black Dalek.
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Jul 10, 2010 9:31:02 AM CDT
Ok, really got to go now........................................
by axcel1
Be back sooon to check out your sites.
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Chocolate-Banana? Maybe too good.
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that was the reason. But the process itself, it would seem, in the archives is tied directly to the LSD experience. Trippy, eh?
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First I'd heard of that. Interesting. http://tinyurl.com/28fkwzl Late 80s, even.
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well..umm.. no. http://tinyurl.com/279ejav
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mentions Doctor Who. Cute. http://tinyurl.com/2bxho7v
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47 groups,5,198 members,39 cities,5 countries. Nice. Find one near you! I;ve gone to some of these, for various interests. They can be really, really fun OR odd and uncomfortable. It's a crap-shoot really. But always worth it. http://tinyurl.com/2dv2km2
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Description: "In the summer of 1965, the dreaded Daleks blasted their way off of BBC-TV and onto movie screens in the wild Dr. Who and the Daleks. The next year, their cinematic onslaught continued with the action-packed sequel, Daleks- Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. Soon, the entire world could not escape the diabolical invasion of Dalekmania! Celebrate the 30th Anniversary of these two movie classics, which starred the legendary Peter Cushing as Dr. Who in eye-popping technicolor. Dalekmania reveals the entire story of the Doctor and Daleks' big-screen adventures, including new interviews with the cast and crew, bts secrets, rare archive materials and much more" Link: http://tinyurl.com/2unrhqv
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http://tinyurl.com/2uaob5a
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http://tinyurl.com/3xsb6ue
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http://tinyurl.com/23gsr88
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Check out the criticisms of this text down below the product description stuff. People can sure take this stuff far too seriously from time to time. Very funny but interesting as well. http://tinyurl.com/36d8tna
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http://tinyurl.com/832838
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watch at 1:20 in... http://tinyurl.com/36gy6fd
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so I have to go do my job now. Be back later after I wash up.
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Jul 10, 2010 12:05:15 PM CDT
gotilk, I looked at Doctor Who: The Unfolding Text..............
by axcel1
You're right, some people can sure take this stuff far too seriously. Doctor Who is my favorite tv show, but, it is just a very entertaining 45 minutes or so.
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Jul 10, 2010 12:07:04 PM CDT
HEY, HEY, HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by axcel1
WE'RE NUMBER THREE, WE'RE NUMBER THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are. Let's keep it there.
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fellow basement dwellers, consumers of cheesy poofs, swillers of mountain dew... come on in and take this baby to the top.
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Amazing how long you've kept this alive really! An effort similar to the one undertaken for Lost a couple years back!
Myself I've seen all of Dr Who. No I'm not nearly old enough to have seen the original airs, but I've aquired the entire catalog and watched it all from beginning to end...even the 108 reconstructed episodes...really a damned shame that the BBC taped over so many of the second Doctor's episodes that the only doctor with less existing footage is #8! Making it through those reconstructions was daunting and brutal to be frank.
Often my wife would come into the room and ask why I was bothering watching what amounted to a slide show!
But I have seen every episode ever made, including the very short lived K-9 spinoff, so I consider myself to be a bit of an expert on all things Dr Who.
Keep up the good work!
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I can only hope that projects such as these: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jun/26/bbc.doctorwho Eventually get completed and see the light of day! The restoration of those 108 episodes to something more watchable than a slide show would be exquisite!
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I can only hope that projects such as these: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jun/26/bbc.doctorwho Eventually get completed and see the light of day! The restoration of those 108 episodes to something more watchable than a slide show would be exquisite!
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Double Post!
On a side note, I have a friend who's taken up knitting just to make himself a 4th Doctor scarf for Halloween! He's up to 5 feet and counting...only 8 more to go for a proper length 4th Doctor Scarf! -
And thanks!
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And thanks!
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And thanks!
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And thanks!
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I just read about someone doing the same thing. I'd like one of those for the heck of it.
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www.doctorwhoscarf.com ... Not Kidding!
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Jul 10, 2010 3:33:44 PM CDT
Why does my cursor slow down on this TB?
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
I'm typing invisibly at the moment because my cursor is so far behind!Gotilk - who would you want to regenerate into when you died (if you were a timelord)?
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That happens to me in here now, too. But when I clear my cache, it stops for a while. Maybe 20 reloads or so. Using Firefox. I could be that I'm closing and re-opening the browser though. But it could be the cache. Who would I want to regenerate as? I'll have to think about that one.
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I'll try clearing my cache then. I wonder if the guys behind that long LOST TB last year had the same problem.I'd want to regenerate into a young Alan Rickman or possibly a young Michael Caine. I'd probably have more fun as the latter.
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And saw TWO people dressed as the Doctor... one as Tom Baker, home-made scarf and all, and the other as Matt Smith. I was in heaven :)
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I seem to randomly have that problem on IE and Firefox. I've used Safari at home with no problems, though.
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in doing DW reviews.
You know how to contact me... Facebook, Renee Lebbing, Illinois. :oD
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Great! Now I'll just have to work out the domain and host. Squarespace is awesome.
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all the posting. So someone... if you feel like it. Post some stuff.
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Chrome seems to handle large talkbacks a little smoother than Firefox for some reason.
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see you in the morning.
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This has been great fun. I'm not stopping by any means, but I just wanted to say that.
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Jul 11, 2010 4:07:29 AM CDT
See you in the morning, everyone...............................
by axcel1
I just got up to get a drink of water.
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Overposting leads to slow death of this TB too early. It could have survived until xmas, but now it won't even reach August... too bad. Don't want to sound trollish - and, gotlik, I've aprreciated your efforts. But can't say I didn't tell you... BTW, congratulations, this TB (or WhoBack, or DocBack) did it this long without being rolled over by Trolls. That's what I call an achievement! So, guys and gals, with The White Screen Of Death imminent, we had a good time together. The Doc IS a force, nobody ever will be able to ignore. So by the Xmas-Special we will have more friends, with whom we can share our experience. Suggestion: We can look for older DocBacks (google them, make an appointment to others) and continue until xmas over there. This one is one for the history books of Whovians. Soon it will be gone. @gotlik: Look for an older Docback and invite us there. We will surely follow! It worked for LOST, it will certainly work here! And it would be funny to see an older Docback reaching the Top Ten list... ;-)
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I have that face that nobody listens to... again?
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I'm telling ya, people, I'm not having a single stutter, glitch, or pause on Safari. It's just as smooth as any other page.
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Very good ideas! I'll see if I can bring one to the forefront. And when that baby gets slow...another.
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Firefox is handing this page fine and Chrome is loading it as if it were only a couple hundred posts long. I don't allow ads though, usually. No here, not anywhere. Unless the site never uses auto-loading audio and video. And this site has, so no go. I use noscript for Firefox. It's a good thing to have not just for the ad blocking. But also for protection from nasty stuff. It was shown recently that very mainstream sites are the ones that are ruining computers. Not torrent sites, not adult sites, not other "shady" places on these Internets. Nope. We're talking recipe sites, lyrics sites, gaming sites, news sites, etc etc. The worst. It didn't use to be that way, but it certainly is now. So be careful out there, especially when you think you don't need to.
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Safari is webkit with bells and whistles. So is Chrome. Both great browsers.
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I'm off for a while. Be back later. Post away!
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Jul 11, 2010 9:57:15 AM CDT
Hi, everyone....................................................
by axcel1
Time for breakfast, see everyone later.
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Jul 11, 2010 9:59:38 AM CDT
Oh, and, thanks for the bad news, Dr Killjoy McKilljoy..........
by axcel1
aka wtriker1701
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Seriously, some will be getting problems with this baby, soon! Ijust want this TB stay alive. It's fun and we should have a Docback until December. If it's this one or another Whoback, does it really matter, as long as we can exchange our fun? paburrows once intiated a special LOST-Forum for us fans to discuss further - Troll- and WSODfree. But first we can kill this one, if your fun depends on it... ;-)
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Just in case this baby should fall asleep one day in July, I hereby offer another chance of a Docback. It's not necessary yet, but it might come in handy someday, not far, far away in the distant future. As long as you're happy here, let's stay here - but poppa got us some fine TB-Meal for afterwards, kiddos! Remember or copy just this: http://tinyurl.com/39sukrd Are we friends again, Kiddo axcel1?
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Ok, let's play again!
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Jul 11, 2010 12:57:20 PM CDT
We were never enemies, wtriker1701...........................
by axcel1
I was just trying to be funny.
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Seconds I tell you.
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No, my friend(s)! I've maybe overreacted, didn't intend though. If I've offended you, I'm truly sorry! Just look at it like some heartfelt advice JUST IN CASE that day will come, where this baby never wakes up again - been there, done that! Painful LOST-TB experiences... Never mind! BTT I would like RTD to come back to write a story for The Moff in the 6th season of NuWho, pretty interested insome emotional stuff, where 10nant won me, and where Smith has the chance to really shine! BTW - I'm momentarily into Classic Who, having seen Timelash and Revelation Of The Daleks - pretty cheesy stuff. Yeah, Nicola Bryant looks just hot, but from my Acting Point Of View (having been a stage actor for 26 years now) they were wooden at times (and the video parts [contrary to the 16mm] showed that painfully!), acknowledgable at best. No, my friends out there, NuWho is my kind of Mainstream-Fun, and it's becoming a Classic of its own! Between Sci-Fi and Fairy-Taley - Drama and Comedy side-by-side (even in its very-hard-to-believe-times) it's so much fun, it makes me laugh and cry! I wish me a 3-Doctor's-Special! You know WHO I mean!
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I'm watching it on Film4 now and me and twitter are loving it, why don't they get the boats back quicker for the people in the water? oh the humanity.Cameron is a cinematic crowd pleaser and I like it.
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Jul 11, 2010 6:45:03 PM CDT
wtriker1701, we more than likely won't see a..................
by axcel1
3 Doctor's Special, until 2013, the 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who. But, maybe we can pray for a Time War Who Special with Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston.
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Jul 11, 2010 6:56:28 PM CDT
Hey, I know it's been 14 years since the FOX movie, but.........
by axcel1
I think McGann can still put it off, the only sticking point would be Eccleston, I heard he was not a happy man after doing a year of Who..
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Jul 11, 2010 6:58:27 PM CDT
gotilk, frozen01, offscauta.....................................
by axcel1
Come back, we need you all!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just finally put most of the finishing touches on an epic, 9000 word blog post. (can you even call it that when the word count goes that high?) So I'm a bit typed out at the moment. Finally got a bit of free time today. You can read it at indie69.com probably on the 14th as long as it doesn't frustrate me again and I go back over it a few times. This particular post/subject is near and dear to me, so I've been working on it for a LONG time to get it right, hoping that "if you build it they will come" and someone other than your occasional mp3 downloader actually reads it. (all mp3s on my blog are posted with direct permission from the artists, so you can always feel comfortable downloading from my blog)
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DANG!
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DANG!
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DANG!
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I'm liking Chrome a LOT. But it's hard to break my old Firefox habits. I'm the fast part of my browser experience when it comes to Firefox, because I'm so used to it. I find myself fumbling a lot with Chrome. But I can see myself using it more and more in the future. The... FUTURE! woooo - eeeee - ooooooo
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need some rest now.
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need some rest now.
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need some rest now.
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Whobackers? Sounds like a weird deep woods owl cult.
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POST LIKE CRAZY! Seriously. Because I'll be a few hours.
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POST LIKE CRAZY! Seriously. Because I'll be a few hours.
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:( sorry. Love you all.
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Sorry, it's Faire season, so my weekend days are pretty much always filled. Saw another person dressed as the Doctor today... this time, David Tennant!!!! YEAH I've seen three Doctors so far!!!!!
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I go to lay back down just a little while ago, take a deep breath and slowly lower myself to my bed. Mind you, I felt perfect right before and all day. The second I LEANED my body toward the bed to collapse, I went into a frantic, chattering - teeth full body CHILL. BIZARRE! Fever now, 100.9. Strange, eh?
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if it cannot have me, nobody can!!
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just to be able to say hi and see these legendary pictures. I'll be sure to post it here when I do.
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to whom it may concern..
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... it's easy to get caught up in the Master's plot to kill you and when he does you regenerate into a goofball cracker with a ginger fro.... to get BURNED.
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But I still like Crosby Stills and Nash for some reason.
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or it isn't as funny.
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you sing like normal again. Try it! HIGH-larious.
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so no offense meant by the ginger bit. Redheads are awesome.
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But I am unfortunately completely out of cowbells. NO.. seriously. I need to go get this fever down.
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Have fun at the faire, frozen01!
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I'm not myself right now.
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I'm not myself right now.
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I'm not myself right now.
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I'm not myself right now
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4? I'm out. SORRY
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Lots of people create fake Facebook pages, I see them all the time.
Hope you feel better. There's something going around here, too, which is weird considering how far apart we are. Just finally getting over my own something. :o\
And I just realized that I misspoke... I only have pics of the David Tennant guy. For some reason, I didn't think to take pictures of the other two. I fail at life :( -
I'm less shivery now and the fever isn't much of one, thank goodness. 99.1.
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I'm less shivery now and the fever isn't much of one, thank goodness. 99.1.
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I'm less shivery now and the fever isn't much of one, thank goodness. 99.1.
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see you in the morning.
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My mom came home from the hospital today, which is where I probably picked up some kind bug.It never fails no matter how careful I am. Stupid airborne viruses.
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see you in a few hours
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see you in a few hourss
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see you in a few hourss
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see you in a few hourss
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Gotlik, you know it predates Trial of a Timelord, right? I think it was first used in Tom Baker's "The Deadly Assassin" back in 1976.
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I'd be interested in doing reviews of Who for your site.
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Did you watch "Remembrance of the Daleks" or "The Curse of Fenric" yet?
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And "Deadly Assassin" and "Remembrance of the Daleks" are next on my list. Slowly but surely...
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Between now and Christmas, what do you think of reviewing classic Who episodes we've seen? I'd bet there are a lot of people new to the show who might be thinking of delving into the classic episodes, and it might be helpful.
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I'm considering moving a few of my "properties" (lol that sounds so official) to one site at Squarespace, the biggest account, with multiple editor accounts, user classes, private areas, full msg boards, etc etc. I'd like an entire area for movie/tv reviews. Need to come up with a name and then just get the whole thing going with the domain and the hosting. I'll come back here and let everyone know the second I have it registered and up and running. If any of you have experience with coding a site it'd help and I will of course have accounts / blogs / for anyone who helps. Could be fun, could be a mess. Could be a fun mess. lol
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I have not seen those yet, but will soon.
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even pre-dates the Trial of a Time Lord? Interesting. I have so much to catch up with.
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is such an advanced, very sort of Internet-related concept for an idea that stemmed out of the 70s. Trippy. I remember my dad telling me back before there were computer graphics that when I grew up there would be computer-only "actors" that looked like real people and acted like real people. He was off a bit. Mostly they just act like animated corpses. But really it is amazing that way back then people were thinking of these things that we encounter all the time in real life now.
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We'll keep in touch here. I'm going to get a Facebook acct and that'll be another way.
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We'll keep in touch here. I'm going to get a Facebook acct and that'll be another way.
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I'll post the best and worst of what I find here later. Could be fun.
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Sounds like a great character. Would be great to bring him back, with another comic actor.
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Haha, gotcha :) I knew I could get you on Facebook :oP
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I mean, I can't stand their privacy policies.. opt out rather than opt in to "features" and other stuff. But if I don't give them real info.. oh well.
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Who would you cast as the Meddling Monk?
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Nick Frost. I know he's unloved by many. But I think he'd be a good choice.
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Really.
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Really.
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and perfect for a Moffat story arc! But as much as I like Nick Frost, I think it would be nicer to have a slightly less comical version of the Monk, since that is difficult to pull off without a) being too goofy or b) going the route of the Joker.
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is now in my Netflix queue :)
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http://tinyurl.com/28addkw
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*runs off*
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Fever last night.. body aches today. Oh crap.
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is always kind of teddy bear like. Would be nice to see him take on a character that is more in-between, so he might be great.
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is always kind of teddy bear like. Would be nice to see him take on a character that is more in-between, so he might be great.
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I cant believe this thing is still going strong. Good job.
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That'll be fun. jk
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I read somewhere he doesn't read forums anymore.
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hope I helped
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you guys shotting for number one or what?
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Not on Instant, unfortunately, but they do have the DVD.
That said, as much as I luuuuurrrrrrvvvveeee Netflix, they need to fix the search. Type in "Doctor Who" and you'll get a very incomplete list. For example, I didn't see "Time Meddler" while doing a generic search for Doctor Who, but when I typed in "Time Meddler" it came right up *shrugs* -
Jul 12, 2010 3:32:05 PM CDT
I think a Who fan can enjoy all the old Who if..................
by axcel1
You can look past the bad FX, the slightly over-the-top acting, etc. and maybe a bad storyline or two. Keep in mind, I enjoyed watching all of them, some I enjoyed more than others. It's too bad it's too expensive animate the missing episodes that were destroyed. Also too bad they can just remake them on film.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:34:32 PM CDT
And, don't forget...............................................
by axcel1
Doctor Dan Calls The DOCTOR WHO Finale ‘A Startling Triumph’!!
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Didn't they pay someone a million dollar prize for improving it or something? They should get their money back.
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Jul 12, 2010 3:36:31 PM CDT
But.............................................................
by axcel1
I call The DOCTOR WHO series ‘A Startling Triumph’!!
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Is it really too expensive to animate the missing ones? Kind of shocking. Have you seen what people do on YouTube with NO budget? Someone should just do it and offer it for sale to the BBC.
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Doctor Dan calls The Doctor Who finale 'A Startling Triumph'. AND that axcel1 calls The Doctor Who SERIES 'A Startling Triumph'.
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Every few times I see the headline here, I visualize Triumph the Insult Comic Dog jumping out from behind something and startling someone.
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I just forget about the bad stuff and get absorbed into the story and the characters. Unless one of those two is also bad. Then I just finish watching it anyway. lol
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I think I'm going to need a LOT more sleep to be able to completely follow with you, but I'll do my best:
Nope. The finale, with all its time paradoxes (is that the correct plural form?) doesn't make sense at all. But it sure is fun :)
Okay, okay, that's a total cop-out, I know it. But I've got nothing, except that this, to me, isn't a show about what IS possible, but what COULD BE possible. The whole "you can't travel backwards in time" thing to me always felt so... defeatist. It just seems that we couldn't think of any possible way someone could travel backwards in time without creating all sorts of havoc, so we gave up and said "it's just not possible". Lazy, and doesn't make for good storytelling (which is what this is about). I like that Doctor Who is exploring the possibilities.
Now about canon... you might be thinking of something a bit more specific here, but I keep thinking about all the people who complained that previous nu-Who episodes talked about fixed points in time, and how that seems to have been thrown out the window. I don't agree completely with that. First of all, besides "Father's Day", which never specifically dealt with fixed points in time (back to that in a mo), every time that phrase is mentioned, it always deals with THEORY and not practice. We never see the Doctor attempt to bend or break that particular rule (that I can remember). It always seemed to me, even before seeing series 5, that this was one of those "learned rules"... like reciting something you learned in school and just always accepted as fact. "Ah, but what about 'Father's Day'?" you might be saying. That didn't seem to be a story about altering a fixed point in time, but rather altering something that could be changed, in a REALLY messy way. Rose comes back multiple times... the fabric of time has been folded way more than it should be. As a result, a timeloop has been created (as shown with the car and its driver) and this is what brought those horrible bat/dragon things. Just my theory. -
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is the most realistic one. As was hinted at in that new Morgan Freeman hosted show "through the wormhole", there will be a point in time when simulation will be indistinguishable from reality. When that time comes, nearly-true time travel will be possible. In the sense that "interpolation"( see: http://tinyurl.com/y3ler6 ) of inconceivable detail will be possible and fully realized human being constructs will be walking around. Some as historical figures, many as just the people around those people. Entire economies fully realized, cities... with only the parts you need to see existing at any one point, predicted by past behavior and interests. I say that once you cannot tell if you're in a simulation or in reality.. the difference between the two is "virtually" pointless to debate and you simply ARE a time traveler. Thoughts?
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we will be able to move data/information back and forth through time, but only back to when we came up with a way to do so. So if we create something that can send data back and forward in time in... 2022.. we will be able to send data from 2022 and back as far as 2022. But no further back.
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are a simulation. Imagine now a really advanced version of the Sims. Suddenly, one day, your Sims make a video game featuring blocky versions of themselves. And they improve.After a few centuries, their simulation becomes as real as they are. Ultimate meta.
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May your afternoon be cromulent and may your desserts be embiggened.
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Some days seem to go by faster than others. Maybe our operators take breaks and speed us through the boring parts. But this wasn't a boring part!! Not for me, anyway.
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Bye.
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sounds like a show I need to watch. Steampunk-wannabe or not :)
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Jul 12, 2010 5:22:22 PM CDT
Well, except....................................................
by axcel1
Eureka does not hane any alien invasions. At least, I don't it has, two episodes may have hinted at it.
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Jul 12, 2010 5:31:19 PM CDT
And, gotilk, yes, yes, it is....................................
by axcel1
I read a site article about animating the mising episodes of "The Invasion". The BBC said they considered it too expensive to do that to the rest, so, they won't do it for anymore stories.
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Never saw Friday the 13th the Series, but X-Files was my favorite show when I was a kid :)
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Jul 12, 2010 6:17:31 PM CDT
So, Darkocity, in other words...................................
by axcel1
In your opinion, according to essential/fundamental logic, it's impossible for future Doctor to travel to the past and ask Auton-Rory to free him from the box, right? Ok.
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The detailing on it is really good, it looks sharp and looks wicked, I ordered the new iDalek red drone online too. Pic of the green Dalek -> http://tiny.cc/4ibuy
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Jul 12, 2010 6:22:13 PM CDT
frozen01........................................................
by axcel1
Eureka 4th season first episode was a time travel story, 5 of them traveled back to 1946, when they got back to the present, their time-line was altered.
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What do you do? how old are you? how much is keeping this talkback alive impacting on your social life? your a nerd do you have a social life? I don't.
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Ooooooooooh. Nice, I'm so jealous. I haven't even picked myself up that TARDIS I've had my eyes on forever :o\
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Jul 12, 2010 6:25:44 PM CDT
Darkocity, like frozen01........................................
by axcel1
It doesn't bother me either.
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Oh, neat. OK, now I have an excuse to get back into it... maybe after I finish Primeval, Life on Mars, third series of Robin Hood that I somehow missed, and Being Human. :) Anyone seen Being human, by the way? I'm wondering if its any good.
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Jul 12, 2010 6:35:21 PM CDT
And, frozen01...................................................
by axcel1
Friday the 13th the Series was about 3 antiques dealers with a LARGE inventory list of Satan-cursed antiques that they searched for. The cursed antiques were solded by the dead uncle of two of the antiques dealers. He tried to cheat Satan, which we all know is a BIG no no.
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If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work. No sense in forcing it.
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*LOL* That actually sounds pretty cool. A little Tales from the Crypt :)
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You didn't say if you enjoyed it or not. That is the most important thing to consider, right?
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Jul 12, 2010 6:41:52 PM CDT
frozen01, yes, yes, it was......................................
by axcel1
A very cool show, it was NOT on a major network, big surprise.
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Jul 12, 2010 6:48:28 PM CDT
And, frozen01...................................................
by axcel1
So is Eureka, it's a fun little show. I like Sheriff Carter, the only non-genius on the show, but, very smart.
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That's why I haven't heard of it. That and I just got SyFy a little while ago...
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I'm sure the character line-up is a bit different now than when I left off, but I remember really liking the mechanic. He was kind of charming and funny :)
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I got a little one that lights up when a text is incoming or a mobile call, its handy cool, my sister in law also bought me a large money bank one which isn't as cool as the little one, I think the best one is that flight control one though.
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Sold. Compare it to True Blood and I'm there. :)
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(About 40 pounds if I remember my conversion.) Don't have that sort of money to spend on toys right now. Worth it or not ;) But I do want it.
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"It's a cry for help."
"A cry for help... with a kiss?"
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I can't say where I work, but believe me it's not interesting, mysterious, fascinating, important, high-paying or even challenging. Not by a long shot. It's just very.... how do I say this... VERY public. And specific. It's not entertainment. But I have a LOT of time to listen to podcasts/audiobooks/music. The rest of the time I am a caregiver for my mom. So far I get no pay for this, and I'm okay with that financially. Mentally.. it's getting to me a little. But when I was a kid and times were hard, everyone in my family did what had to be done in order to give me a childhood with almost NO bumps in the road. I got to be a kid. No matter what. So the least I can do is do what has to be done now for her because.. well.. the rest of them are being flakey about it. So it's my chance to give back. As sad as it is, I can guarantee I will not be doing this for very long, unfortunately. She had another heart attack this weekend and was in the hospital for two nights. I take her to dialysis 3 times a week and she needs constant care. One plus is that I'm becoming a very good cook. Since I work nights still, 7 days a week (with 2 half nights off),I sleep irregularly. I've managed to come in here a lot during the little bits of time between meals, when she naps, while she's still asleep in the mornings and when I can't get to sleep when she's in bed. So I get to come in and chat here, do my blogging with my netbook, etc etc. Like right now.. she's at dialysis. So I have some time to myself. I'm still not quite used to it all and no, not much of a social life at the moment. Usually, I try my best to be extrovert most of the time and make fast friends. But as far as dating? Not at the moment. Wouldn't have the time and attention most people would expect, so why frustrate myself and some poor woman? The time will come for those things. And I've certainly had my share of fun already, over the years. So a little break is probably good for me since I tend to be a serial monogamist. The break has probably been healthy. I've kept very busy lately with the new music thing and the blog that goes with it. And the writing. And THIS.. this.. DOCback now. Too long of an answer? That's me.
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The show. Second series more than the first. I really hope they keep doing it. Lots of talent on that show and really funny as well as dramatic writing. I'm afraid of it trying to go "too big" though. I like that it's just a small story of these people dealing with life as werewolves, vampires and ghosts.
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On of my favorites of new Who. THE MOST creepy moments of the entire series' run. And the introduction of a great character.
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Did you get the IR remote Ironsides Dalek? Looks like it'd be a blast. My dog would hate it though.
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Jul 12, 2010 7:23:12 PM CDT
Yes, Henry (the mechanic) is a great character..................
by axcel1
Henry did go thur some changes in season 2 & 3, a MAJOR change in the 4th season that just started.
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You should throw some pictures of your cell phone TARDIS thing up. Sounds neat.
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You are a good son to care for her and help and I'm saddened she is so ill, I wish her good thoughts. I think you can rest now on this TB if you want too? sounds like you have a lot on and maybe this is stealing your precious sleep?I hope that doesn't sound condescending, I don't mean it that way. I just got the vanilla Ironside, he was £8 and I only had £10, plus I live in Cumbria which is like empty of toy shops and I rely on a local store that gets small quantities of things in, I just bought it as I saw it last week and had a few nights worrying it would sell out! Take it easy buddy you're a TB Who legend. 8)-
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since it was much more eloquent than anything I could have written. I hope things get better for you hun.
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Come live over here :) We have to wait four fucking weeks just to get the magazine, and you never know when they'll actually manage to get here. And I've never seen any Doctor Who goodies outside of a convention. Well, except for a graphic novel or two on the shelves at Borders :o\
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What's funny is that this is not what I expected to end up doing, really. I came here to sort myself out, get work and start over. But then her health went downhill, fast. So I'll be here longer than expected. And no, this thing doesn't steal any sleep from me.. the docback.. the opposite. When I can't sleep, it gives me something to do. I also type really, really fast.. and really hard.
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really started to get into cooking. I spend a lot of time cooking now. Everyone has been asking what I want for my birthday and the first thing that comes to mind is new pots and pans, utensils, knives, etc. Ask me a year ago and I would have said a gift certificate for Fry's Electronics.
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I still desperately want to build a new computer. I can squeeze a lot out of old hardware and operating systems, but I'm getting sick of stuttery 1080p video.
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Be back later. Great discussions, by the way.
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http://tinyurl.com/2bpfo5g
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Damn, Darkocity! That was quite the rant!
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to use that to terrorize my cats.
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I made the mistake of letting a co-worker talk me into watching that. I think I made it about ten minutes in... something about a compass that points to the nearest vampire and an herb that you ate to protect yourself from them. WAY too Twilight. It doesn't even come close to comparing to True Blood.
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Hubby is home and made me dinner :) And we're watching the episode of True Blood that we missed over the weekend. I'll pop back on later... see y'all then!
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Smashing just fell in lurve. Frozen I will come visit and bring Who goodies! Gotik is there anything we can do online to help you out?
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And it's refreshing to read something nice and long, thought out. Rather than my own description of breakfast, lunch and dinner scheduling because I've run out of Who links to post and the talkback has dropped below 100 posts. ;)
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Jul 12, 2010 8:21:11 PM CDT
Oooooooooooooooooooo, frozen01..................................
by axcel1
That would be telling.
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Nice of you to offer. The best thing, the thing that would make my day-week-year.. and it isn't much really.. would be to see this Docback stick around and when it reaches the point when it's not use-able anymore, follow me over to another one. That'd make my year. This is great.
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thing while I was marinating. Very funny. Especially when he blamed the economic meltdown on a vast, worldwide vampire conspiracy. Something like... "you thought it was a few dozen foreclosures in Talahasee?" LOL!
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I do type hard. I've had complaints.
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Jul 12, 2010 8:24:48 PM CDT
And, Darkocity..................................................
by axcel1
You can rant all you want here. That is one of things this Talkback is all about.
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Have a great evening all.
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because I can go off. Like a switch. Except.. on instead of off. Hmm.. Maybe not the best metaphor.
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Its 230.
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Jul 12, 2010 8:45:41 PM CDT
That, and.......................................................
by axcel1
Saying how wonderful Doctor Who is, of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 12, 2010 8:51:50 PM CDT
Goodnight, Smashing, Goodnight, gotilk, Goodnight, frozen01.....
by axcel1
See you all in the morning.
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Jul 12, 2010 8:53:55 PM CDT
Oh, sorry.......................................................
by axcel1
Goodnight to you, too, Darkocity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My couch is always open to anyone willing to bring me goodies :)
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It was like reading an issue of Hellblazer, I loved it :)
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Strangely appropriate :)
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LOL. Marinating. I have this season of True Blood DVR'd. I've only seen most of the first episode. The scene in the car before the crash was stylistic.. very claustrophobic, intense, disturbing. It's a good show.
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Sleeepy. Very sleeeepy.
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The Meddling Monk featured in a comic strip adventure which teamed up the future Blues Brothers with the seventh Doctor and resulted in, amongst other things, the sinking of the Titanic and the Tungusta explosion.
I use to love the Doctor Who comic strips when I was a kid, but they were goofy as hell sometimes.
Like the time that the seventh Doctor used the Master's tissue compression device to shrink Deathshead down from Transformers size to human size so that he could move from the Transformers universe to the mainstream Marvel universe. I think I was about 9 when I read that. -
My take on the rules for time travel in "The Big Bang" is that as a result of the 'total reality collapse' the usual rules no longer apply. Which is why the Doctor's paradoxical actions are possible. It's usually stated that intefering directly in your own timestream could potentially destroy the universe. Given that that had already happened, I think the Doctor just thought, "Fuck it. Why not?"
Darkocity, how do you feel about the similar predestination paradox in "Blink"? (Or "Time Crash" or "The Lodger" for that matter. Moffat seems rather fond of them. -
My take on the rules for time travel in "The Big Bang" is that as a result of the 'total reality collapse' the usual rules no longer apply. Which is why the Doctor's paradoxical actions are possible. It's usually stated that intefering directly in your own timestream could potentially destroy the universe. Given that that had already happened, I think the Doctor just thought, "Fuck it. Why not?"
Darkocity, how do you feel about the similar predestination paradox in "Blink"? (Or "Time Crash" or "The Lodger" for that matter. Moffat seems rather fond of them. -
good to see you guys are in this for the long haul..im in the midst of the massive WHO run as we speak..with the help of netflix and the library i think i should be able to partake in them all.and for the ones that have been lost, they have the soundtrack masters on cd, which arent as bad as id thought theyd be. can you believe the BBC was that short sighted to erase the tapes of most of the old stuff.and the older eps right now (im still with the first doc) arent as bad as youd think. they rely on great stories, rather than special effects, which is good cause they are pretty bad.
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I've been reasonably surprised at some of the "lost story" reconstructions that have been attempted (and posted on youtube). I think the first ice warriors story is on there (2nd doctor).
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obviosly. But did anyone else sense just a certain intangible thing missing this series? RTD had his moments, bad and good, but there was a magic to his seasons. Sometimes it was big, dumb magic. But it was magic. This season was almost perfect and the finale in my view WAS perfect, but there were bland parts too. Did it have something to do with budget limitations? Or were people maybe still too uncomfortable as a team to let Moffat know when he was making a bad choice? The vampires in Venice comes to mind. While it was great at times, overall it was a big, stupid story with characters one step away from Power Rangers quality. From that first Eccleston episode, it was clear that RTD was capable of getting the audience excited about Doctor Who again, invested in the character and stories and generally in love with the companion (Rose). It all makes me want to go back and watch all the new episodes in order again from ecleston on just to try and see what exactly it is that I feel is now missing. Is it a little of the sappiness? Am I just a big old sap? Is it a sense of wonder? Or am I misremembering and really all it was was just the excitement over having Who back AT ALL... finally? Am I alone in feeling this? I LOVED Matt Smith and I thought the writing and stories were some of the best ever. And the episodes before Moffat took over that were the most memorable to me were the ones Moffat wrote. Maybe there was a magic to the combination of Moffat and RTD? Thoughts??
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im a typo monster
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and I'm on a pretty slow netbook running firefox. I wonder what's going on with other people that are having trouble? Older browsers? IE? If it gets really bad for a lot of people you should go to one of the older smaller talkbacks and use that one instead for a while and keep doing that until christmas.
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the Silurian's oil. They capped the leak. No Silurian invasion now. And we have robots to thank for it. scary...
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i'll stop in another time hope I helped a little keep it up this is cool
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Jul 13, 2010 10:40:25 AM CDT
MoffatBabies, yes, we did reach number 1 at one time............
by axcel1
Who knows, we may again.
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Don't get me wrong, I liked the RTD episodes, but no, I don't see a missing magic. In fact, I find Moffat's episodes to be far more magical than RTD's. But then again, I am NOT a big old sap... absolutely hate the romance rubbish.
One step away from Power Rangers?!? Wow, that's harsh! *LOL* Don't see that at all. It certainly wasn't the best episode, but it was fun, especially the one-liners! I am currently helping to catch up a friend on nu-Who (when am I not?) but he's not quite as patient as some of my other minions... erm, I mean friends! yes that's it... and he wanted to delve right into series 5 and only watch the good episodes from the previous seasons. So I was going through all the episodes on Netflix to recommend the ones I thought a) he should watch to get a better appreciation of S5 and/or b) he would enjoy. I was surprised how many "you can skip this one" episodes there were! Nearly all of S3 went out the window, and a good portion of S2, and about half of S4 :o\ But S5 is almost all good. Were we in the future and I was doing this again, I would recommend watching pretty much all of S5 (probably could skip Vampires and Lodger, but that's about it).
"And the episodes before Moffat took over that were the most memorable to me were the ones Moffat wrote."
A friend and I (not the impatient one) were talking about our favorite Who quotes, and quickly realized that almost ALL of them were from Moffat episodes... even ones we hadn't realized at the time were Moffat's! Funny how that happened... But yes, most of my favorite episodes/quotes/moments are from the Moff. -
Jul 13, 2010 10:43:17 AM CDT
And, no, MoffatBabies, you are not the only one on..............
by axcel1
I'm on lunch right now, the others may be working now, I hope we see them later.
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Maybe if news gets really slow one day we will :)
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...and working :)
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Thanks, now I have the Muppet Babies theme song in my head. But with the words changed.
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My morning has been very incromulent. Have to run off and be a taxi for a while. Hope everyone's day will be a good one. Be back later. Good to see discussion/new faces.
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... I remember feeling that for the first few episodes. But I think it was just a tonal shift. And I was thrown off by the big, cheesy eyeball CG right away. But as the series moved forward, it really came together for me. Especially as a whole. Outstanding! I would never want to go back to RTD, even though I didn't dislike his run of things.
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Comic strip? As in daily? Is any of it online? It'd be fun to read. I wonder if it was all compiled and published.
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Comic strip? As in daily? Is any of it online? It'd be fun to read. I wonder if it was all compiled and published.
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No, it never got THAT bad.Vampires of Venice may have been my least favorite of the last series though. Even though that harem of vamps were ... discomforting.. in the best of ways.
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Outta here. Have fun!
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Outta here. Have fun! I'll seeya later.
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Outta here. Have fun! I'll seeya later.
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...Then the Doctor needs to have his powers reset. The chap is just way too powerful. I enjoyed the Doctor back in the day when the Society would take control of the TARDIS and summon him to do THEIR bidding. RTD basically overpowered him into god-like status which was cool..... for the first 2 seasons...
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To depower the Doctor.
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To depower the Doctor.
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The Eternals were supposedly so horrified with the Time War that they buggered off to a different realm..
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I haven't seen too many episodes involving the Time Lords, but the ones I have seen I didn't like. Perhaps I prefer a god-like Doctor, who knows, but I didn't find it particularly fun with the Doctor practically being an errand boy.
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I didn't dislike it, just found it skippable. I mean, it's vampire fish from space! *LOL* Gotta love it.
The only episode I didn't really like this series was the Lodger, and that's only because of the terrible lovey-dovey ending and the goofy contraption in the Doctor's room. But I liked the camp, the Doctor playing soccer/football, and the mystery of the TARDIS-like ship at the end. Heck I even was a bit tickled by the Doctor using a cat as a spy. -
You sound like a tremendous human being and one of the reasons I come on here so often to while away some time. You're friendly, passionate about the things you like and an all around swell guy to everyone! Thanks for taking the time out of your obviously busy life to share some time with us. This guy all the way in Canada appreciates it! And lots of positive vibes your way to you and your mom, both!
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Jul 13, 2010 4:46:26 PM CDT
While I did like some of the Time Lords-related stories.........
by axcel1
As I have said in earlier Who talkbacks, I watched, but, didn't like the first 3 years of Pertwee's time as the Doctor because the Time Lords were in control of the TARDIS.
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Thanks for taking the time to say something so... awesome! Wow. Go Canada! Never met a Canadian I didn't like. But then again, I've never met Shatner. ;-) Cheers! Keep coming back!
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The Time Lords controlled the TARDIS, huh? Reminds me of a Tom Baker episode. Was it the Pyramids of Mars episode where a mysterious stranger looking a bit like a southern gentleman snatched the doctor up and sent him on a mission, even providing a companion? Did that guy end up being a Time Lord as well? Or something else? I can't even remember where I saw that now. Youtube? Maybe it was an episode right after City of Death.. or right before? I'm probably a little tired right now.
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being sent of on a bit of an errand, collecting bits of something.. keys? I think I might have started watching that one and had to stop for some reason.
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produce a series with closer to 20 episodes. This series went by WAY too fast. Makes the wait between so much longer.Excruciating, especially after it's been so great.
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William Shatner. http://tinyurl.com/2dan8td
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Jul 13, 2010 5:25:13 PM CDT
Darkocity, yes, yes, it was.....................................
by axcel1
One of the better seasons (series) of Doctor Who
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I'll have to go back and finish that one. City of Death was fun. More Baker Who!
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"The Key To Time" was, it was the first full season (series) of Dotor Who I saw. "The Invasion of Time" was the first Doctor Who I watched on PBS. I miss that days, PBS always showed Who as movies, 90 minutes, 2 1/2 hours, but, when they showed "The War Games", you had better have had sunday afternoon free.
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Jul 13, 2010 5:47:24 PM CDT
Speaking of "City of Death".....................................
by axcel1
I have to agree with everyone who said the ship we saw at the end of "The Lodger" looked like the same ship in "City of Death" I wonder if Mofatt did that on purpose?
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River has got to be my favorite "minor" character. I finished rewatching Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead and bawled my eyes out last night! It was really good the first few times I watched it but after PO/BB it's even better.
I LOVED how in SitL/FotD there were already references to the plot in series 5. River calls him "the Doctor in the TARDIS", and has this great line:
"Everyone knows that everyone dies. And nobody knows it like the doctor. But I do think that all the skies in all the worlds might just turn dark, if he ever accepts it."
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I hope we find out next year, because that is one of the those loose ends that's really bugging me.
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got a little chill just reading it there.
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A Doctor Who Fan Fiction ArchiveYou'll probably find a lot of what's floating out there already at this one place. But I'll be posting other sites here anyway. Here's the big one: http://tinyurl.com/43borv
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The fiction on that last site is very visibly labeled for content. I can assure you there is material there that would make many people who would consider themselves very worldly blush.. or squirm..That does not mean it's all like that, it's not. Just pay attention to the tags/labels if there are certain subjects you wish to avoid.
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http://tinyurl.com/2chjaeo
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Things could really get odd here. Livejournal is a .. unique place. http://tinyurl.com/2fhnubx
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Things could really get odd here. Livejournal is a .. unique place. http://tinyurl.com/2fhnubx
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. . it's a great one. I'm not sure if it's a widely used term. It should be. Here's the quote.. "I don’t normally commit fanfic, of course" COMMIT?? ROFL!!! That's great. Well, some of them are kind of criminal. http://tinyurl.com/298lov3
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http://tinyurl.com/26r7uxq (from PG to NC-17?? yikes!)
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http://tinyurl.com/26r7uxq (from PG to NC-17?? yikes!)
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While I've lived here in Canada for many a year - and almost consider myself 'Canadian' - I'm a good Irish boy at heart. An Irish boy who now has a ton of his friends hooked on the Doctor and his exploits... both old and new. Even my mom told us stories of rushing home when she was a teen to watch the earliest episodes. Hearing my mom namedrop 'Daleks' and 'Cybermen' is awesome! One of my friends even has gone as far as to start a podcast reviewing episodes of the show... FROM THE VERY START! They call themselves The Who Noobs and you should check them out and give them your suppport... I haven't listened to them myself, yet, as they are brand new, but plan on starting soon! They'd appreciate the listens and and feedback, I'm sure. You can find them here:
http://whonoobs.blogspot.com/
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Mention of USENET newsgroup alt.drwho.creative creation in 1993. Spun off from rec.arts.drwho which I believe pre-dated it by a few years. Just imagine.. Doctor Who fanfic on the Internet pre-dates the web by quite a while. USENET was around for a LONG time before the web. Although after some time I have not been able to track down the date of the first msg in the group. http://tinyurl.com/24wf4zn
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Lifelong American here (not a brag, just a fact). I've only been into Doctor Who for about 3 months (when I like something, I LIKE something *grin*) but I've already gotten about six other people into the show... and now even my mum-in-law is going to start watching it, which is both awesome and very strange at the same time :)
I'll have to check out the podcast... I love DW podcasts, makes the workday go by so much faster :)
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Jul 13, 2010 7:09:43 PM CDT
I hope so, frozen01.............................................
by axcel1
I don't like unanswered questions amd problems that go unsolved.
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I'm having a blast. My Who related bookmarks at this point are almost unmanageable.
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Just started a "Top 10 Favorite podcasts to keep my geek flag flying" blog post earlier. Maybe it'll make it in.
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This TB is quite impressive.
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As did I.
Actually, I think my exact words were "Son of a bitch, Moffat DID have all that planned beforehand!" *LOL* We'd always figured he just threw in "crash of the Byzantium" as something he could use later without actually having it planned, but after rewatching the earlier eps, no I think he had most of that written back then already. -
That's great, Pogue. That would make my brain explode. Mine only name drops The Master. no... that would be hilarious though.
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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, that's sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep. That's love. He clearly cares for the show and it shows. I know it seems kind of gushing, but we really are lucky to have that.
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And growing.
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I mostly want to find out why someone's building a TARDIS, and who. But I'm really afraid that this is going to never be answered, or is going to be something really stupid and unimportant, which is what turned me off of Lost *waits for RPLocke to jump out of the shadows and attack her*
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Yes, yes, I know *hangs head in shame*
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I just posted in another talkback and pushed it past this one. Oooops.
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It's not gushing if it's true. And it is :)
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to make up for it.
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This is true.
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Was also a line in Forest of the Dead.
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The bedtime train is a'comin' and there's a seat for me. Got to get my sleep. I'm going to SF on Thursday until about 1am. And then straight to work.. heh.. oh boy. But it'll be worth it to see an old friend. So be sure to come in and post on Thu. I'll probably only be here for a few min. at a time, and only in the morning.
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Jul 13, 2010 7:31:07 PM CDT
gotilk, shame on you............................................
by axcel1
Which one was it?
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I'm going to look around and see if I can find out, tomorrow.
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If you don't mind, I'm going to take it as a compliment, though, that you were surprised I've only been watching 3 months :oD
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That pic of the day thing. I just had to. Someone yesterday complained about all the people writing "great feature" and "keep it up quint" and "thanks quint". So I feel it's now my duty to be one of the ones who show up to say at least 2 of those things once. It's the right thing to do. That guy was a partypooper.
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I hate to go now, but I must. Love you all. Have a great evening.
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I hate to go now, but I must. Love you all. Have a great evening.
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I hate to go now, but I must. Love you all. Have a great evening
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I hate to go now, but I must. Love you all. Have a great evening (why won't this thing post!!??)
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I guess I just need to be more patient. Take care everyone.
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Before I run off. Odd thing.
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Doctor Who meets Star Trek Voyager??!!?? wow.. and 7 of them. http://tinyurl.com/39uzfrs
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There were fanzines. Did those used to publish fan fiction? I just have no idea. I'll look for archives.
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Go for it.
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I have to hang around for a few minutes.
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a Janeway - Doctor pairing. *shudder*
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Should arrive in a week :) My friend ordered some in a fit of goofiness :)
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In case you missed it before, my "gif" to the DocBack. http://tinyurl.com/25lhxpm
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Het Gotlik, you continue to impress! Please watch the fourth doctor story "Robots of Death" its a winner! :)
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There are countless moments in old Who that would make great animated gifs like that. Walls and backgrounds shaking and shuddering when someone opens a door... parts of costumes hanging off or coming off ... cheap costumes ... great facial expressions.. etc.
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Here he comes to save the day!
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... and yes it's insane how much paid wireless costs across the world. It's such a rip off here in the colonies. (narf) 50 bucks with a 2 gig cap? I'd do that in a few hours on YouTube.
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Hi, person :)
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Named that one right. I loaded YouTube videos fast, just as fast as at home. Shot some pics, shot a video and sent it to myself via e-mail without glitches and the quality was outstanding when I got home to watch it. The screen is amazing. Typing on it was not annoying for me like it was on the iPhone. I typically need a keyboard. But it had this weird, haptic, tactile feedback whenever I pressed a key on the screen. I'm pretty sure the iPhone had it too, but this one just felt better. Fewer typos than on this thing I'm typing on now with almost all the letters and numbers worn off. The thing is... not sure if I want to plop down 250 bucks AND then pay almost 80 a month on top of that.
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although I was a taxi for a few hours, I got to play at Verizon while I waited.
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Yep, it's in FotD. Towards the end. When the Doctor is handcuffed and trying not to convince River to do what she's about to do, he tells her "time can be rewritten".
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Sunday. Last sunday I think I must have wasted half of it on YouTube, getting caught up in a "related videos loop". Do you know what I mean? Anyone? You lose track of time and look at the clock... and it feels like it instantly shifted 3 hours forward in time? You started looking for something specific and 4 hours later you find out you've spent the last hour watching cat videos when you started out looking for Tom Baker interviews.
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Jul 13, 2010 8:10:45 PM CDT
frozen01, on one hand...........................................
by axcel1
I'm sad you never saw old-Who until now and NU-Who from the start. But, on the other hand, you got to see Matt Smith without seeing the others to compare.
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ahh.. to be the Doctor in that scenario. I mean.. the one I imagined when I just mis-read your comment. lol
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right now. GOD I love this episode!
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And we'll be near the top. We'll show them "one step away from power rangers quality" PHHHT! lol.
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pretty moving stuff for "a kids show" eh?
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I only saw one episode with Matt Smith (Eleventh Hour) before going back to the beginning of nu-Who, so I didn't get too far in. I'm very glad for that... the other ones might have been a bit harder to swallow if I'd gone back after seeing all of S5.
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"trying to convince River not to do".
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that's for wireless. Across town, all over. They don't even offer unlimited accounts anymore. Unless it's for a phone and I think only 2 carriers offer it. Some say unlimited but they MEAN something silly like 5 gigs. What's the point of having wireless anything if you have to constantly think about bandwidth? It's like the early days of dial-up again, when they were trying to meter access and charge per MB. It won't last long. People are making WAY too much BIG money on apps and stuff.
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I'm not much of a drinker, but I enjoy that stuff. That and vanilla vodka with coffee and creme.
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I loved that part.
"Why do you even have handcuffs?"
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I don't know if it's my browser... every other site is fine. Also? Last night my 12 year old nephew called The Slitheen ' stupid'.... hated the farting... he thought The Gelth were kick ass, though.... he joined us during the Tennant run so now we're watching the Eccleston run. What's awesome is he already calls Matt Smith 'my Doctor', wants to grow his bangs out like Matt and asked could he wear a bow tie to his uncle's wedding because 'Bowties are cool!" God, I love that kid. I draw the line at fezzes, though!
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But I'd love to supplement it with cable some time. Now that Comcast has been sued for throttling. Should be a nice service for a few years. At 40 bucks, why not? right? I could quit drinking mt dew and afford that.
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Very funny.
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Yes, it is. Doctor Who is the only show that has actually made me cry. Normally I wouldn't even admit that but it's just that good :)
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I think in the first talkback for the current series I actally called him the same thing... "MY Doctor". Funny.
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Do. Like I said, after watching this series, it's just so much more poignant.
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Jul 13, 2010 8:30:07 PM CDT
Hey, watching "Warehouse 13", and Claudia just said.............
by axcel1
Allons-y!!!!!!!!!
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Smart kid. Knows a good fashion statement when he sees one ;)
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The other funny thing he said, when I asked him did he wanna come over and watch the Doctor, was...."The new Doctor or the old Doctor with the cardboard sets?' He's a wise ass.
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Awesome. Now I have to watch that show :)
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I like him even more now. God help his parents over the next year or two!
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as a policy. It's nice that we still have at least some competition here. But the big ISPs are trying to convince people that net neutrality would reduce competition and make running networks prohibitively costly. But the truth is, no industry makes the kind s of profits they do. It's greed. They ALL run phone networks, too. And text messages alone are the biggest mark-up in the history of business. On average, 1030.00 per megabyte. And the average user of a 39.00 a month internet access account doesn't reach what they call excessive use in a year's time. It's all boo-hoo, poor us as they rake in record profits and drag their heels when it comes to upgrading networks. I've seen all this in the past. They used to whine back in the 90s that we were going to break the Internets with our 56k modems. lol. It's a sham. People using YouTube to watch 720p and 1080p streaming video suck down just as much as your average bittorrent junkie. They just want us and the government to pay for their upgrades and expansions while they maintain their explosive profit growth when we already essentially paid with our tax dollars to build out what they work with now. And the spectrum auctions were a joke. We handed them spectrum for free and they charge us 100 dollars a month to use the net on our phones, and we have to "watch our use". wow. Talk about gall. You know? It's a pet peeve subject for me. :( sorry.. way off topic.
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Jul 13, 2010 8:35:04 PM CDT
And, hey, I didn't know "Allons-y" in french means..............
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"Let's go"
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We're number 2! Chant it with me! lol. You don't hear that a lot, do ya?
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that was mentioned in one of the David Tennant (obviously) episodes... I think "Midnight"?
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I LOVE that this talkback is till kicking ass... while still staying on topic - for the most part!
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Could we get to #1? Now that we've probably lost all the Brits? Oh, well, the Canadian will back us up :)
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Jul 13, 2010 8:39:13 PM CDT
All this time David Tennant was saying it.......................
by axcel1
And, all this time, he was saying, "Let's go"
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But now I'm going to have to change my catchphrase to "Night owls, Americans, and Canadians". Which isn't quite as funny. :o\
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Ok, now, I have to rewatch that episode.
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Jul 13, 2010 8:47:20 PM CDT
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!!! WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!!!
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I THINK so. I might be wrong, I couldn't find anything to back it up.
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Any network sporting users that have to keep an eye on their bandwidth use is a network that needs to be fixed. The whole idea of all this is to use it without having to think about imaginary "tubes" that can get "clogged" when the truth is, that's all a huge lie. Any economy (look at all that net innovation coming out of Australia where they are seriously throttled and metered) that sticks to all you can eat, full access with unmetered, un-throttled, unlimited at least as an OPTION Internet...Wins. Period. The economics of a diverse, spread-out, micro-economical network like the Internet rely on users that don't have to think twice when visiting a site, downloading or watching a video/song/podcast. The explosion of things like APPS will slow down and die OR be whittled down to an elite few when people have to pick carefully instead of just buying when and where they feel like it. I know I'm ranting a bit, but I'm actually VERY optimistic when it comes to all this because I see these very same companies buying into services that rely on users' ability to use the net freely. Services like mobile access to TV shows and movies by subscription, TV everywhere services, bandwidth-intensive, constantly updating and location based services, augmented reality (which WILL be the world's most profitable ad platform in the future.. the world as a possible AD!) and music streaming. And countless other uses that will just rely on a sticker-shock free Internet bill at home and on the move. If sticker shock keeps getting worse with this stuff, many people will just stop using it. I know a guy who took his phone back and demanded a refund after the first month because the bill was around 400 dollars and all he did was send mp3s to himself via e-mail and watch YouTube. They won't be able to make money off people if people constantly have to worry. end rant. Promise! Look.. we did it!!!
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heh. That's a tall order.
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NOT my favorite episode :o\
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happy that people like me are still out there. People that in spite of knowing how to get EVERYTHING for free, still want STUFF that we actually OWN, physically. like Doctor Who on DVD. The few thousand of us still out there. Because if they want us to start buying things that we don't own, physically, they better clean up their whole "bandwidth is limited" act real quick-like. Because the second I have to pay per gig, I'm going to turn very dark and make sure every MB and GB is a good deal for me. Yar. I'll shut up now.
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LOL.
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I've said before G was a machine. "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear."
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But I liked it. And the TARDIS-like thing. It will come up again. I'm sure of it now. Since we've seen Moffat likes to plan ahead.
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I REALLY hope you're right. I think you are, but I'll admit, I'm worried :o\
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.. and they'll be singin'... bye bye miss American pie.. drove my Chevy to the levee and the levee was dry.. (would be a huge disappointment if it turns out he has to travel back to make sure that song is written) And if that's now stuck in your head, I'm so very, very sorry.
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Resistance is futile. Or pointless. Or a bummer.
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Yeesh. Pair that with the handcuffs remark from before...
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(Dutch for "question of the moment")If you were to write fanfic mashing up The Doctor with another show, what would be your selection? (and no, "other" and "Full House"are not selections)
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Easy.
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Hehe.
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Captain Tightpants and the Doctor. Mal:"Sumtin' bout that bowtie just don't sit right with me"
Jayne: "I like the bowtie"Mal looks at Jayne sideways without moving his head and glances up at his hat.Jayne (walking away in a huff..)"You just hate everything, don't ya?" -
"The Adventures of Brisco County Jr." Ghad that'd be fun.
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Love it. You should write it!
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Good to see ya.
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would come from the interactions between The Doctor and Wash alone? And how fascinated with the Doctor Inara and Kaylee would be? Mal would be fuming.
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My eyes are doing that fluttering thing. They need to close so that's a good time for me to say goodbye for now. I think if just a few of you stuck around a little longer we could get to number one. It's not important, of course. It would just be great!! And they we wouldn't be thinking of it as much tomorrow.
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*Doctor is holding a regular screwdriver* "Where's the on switch?"
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I was talking about the TARDIS in the Lodger. I can certainly understand the plight but all my internet, phone and home, is unlimited.
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Awwww...
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for the most part, Darkocity. But I'm sure people will stop buying things if they think a company is trying to snatch money from their wallet more than once for a single thing. Like, say if you used Netflix streaming and all of a sudden Comcast buys Netflix and they start charging you per gig for the thing you're paying for already with your subscription. And if I run Comcast AND just purchased a company that makes a million a month selling "apps", I'm going to want people to download and USE those apps. Charging a flat rate for access makes sense at that point rather than limiting the number of things your users/customers can download in a month's time. The latter is what I hope for. And some signs point to that eventually being the case. It just makes more sense and ultimately would make them more money. As long as prices are reasonable, people would rather do the right thing than .. (I hate this word for it because a copy of a thing is not a thing.. but I'll use it this once to illustrate.. ) steal. I think the next big innovation in technology will be competition and price point. Too many of these record companies and movie/tv companies work too seperately from their Internet divisions. They're in a position right now to take prices down to reasonable, affordable rates (it costs about 30 thousand dollars to legitimately fill an iPOD if you don't have a CD collection) while still making a profit. Huge profit when you consider how fast people will jump on a 25 cent song or a 99 cent movie, which better reflects the value of a COPY of something without physical form and questionable archival future. But as of now, they do not communicate well cross-departments and are fundamentally disconnected from the average real user experience of having the universal library of media at their fingertips.. FREE. In order to compet with free, they must approach it at the very least. But they fear it. VOLUME! as they say.. volume volume volume. If they can get past the fear and make a real attempt to compete rather than collude, they can beat piracy at it's own game and still walk away billionaires. My 2 bucks on the matter.
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My concern is mostly in the mobile arena. And for those living in parts of the world that already meter access and offer no unlimited or tiered options. And I have a little fear that things might not go the way they did last time with ISPs stepping up and being truly competitive, leading to the explosion of the Internet.
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we might actually make it. I gotta see this.
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It'll never happen. Look what it took to get the music industry moving on MP3s. The technology existed for YEARS before iTunes. And then people got used to, using your term, "stealing". I really think if iTunes, or something similar, had happened 5-10 years earlier (and it could have), they wouldn't be in the position they find themselves in now. As a sophomore in high school, with my dinky little computer that I bought with my own money, sitting in my room, and my collection of "mix CDs" if you will, I often wondered why places like Best Buy and Sam Goody didn't offer kiosks where a person could purchase by the song and burn a disk on the spot. 7 years later, I walk into a Sam Goody and see exactly that. Seven. Years. Later. AFTER iTunes. Just stupid. They just need to learn to adapt to technology a little more quickly.
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and companies are making big bucks with mobile apps/games over there. Huge industry. Unlimited all over. Home, mobile. Cheap and WAY faster than what we have. But then again many of them think you can pick a compatible mate using blood type as the only important factor. heh. Gotta love the Japanese. Weird and wonderful.
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will be going the way of the dodo soon. Everyone was just waiting for someone to take the first step so that they could get tarred and the public would get over it. AT&T did just that. Shortly I'm sure the others will follow suit.
I kept my unlimited data on my mobile plan when I upgraded to the iPhone4. I can go over the limit just listening to podcasts :o\ And have done. Several times. -
I just still hope they'll come to their senses. They'd make so much money at a lower price point. SO much. Are you still showing episodes to someone who has never seen them before right now? What does this person think so far?
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They always do technology right. But that reminds me actually of when the App Store came on the scene. I remember before that how expensive... and positively shitty... those stupid little cell phone games were. Along comes the App Store, and those that followed, and suddenly we have awesome games and useful apps that are inexpensive or even free. And I'd bet they make an absolute fortune off of sheer quantity.
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Imagine a huge marketplace, making millions every weekend. Out of nowhere, while things are growing and expanding, they suddenly charge 10 dollars to park and 10 dollars admission. Bad move. Everything eventually falls apart and people go elsewhere. And if there's no elsewhere, people do something else. I watched that happen with my own eyes here at the computer show and sale. There is no longer a computer show and sale. People do not like to pay to pay, unless it's reasonable. It just didn't make sense to go somewhere to save maybe 10 or 20 dollars and pay 20 dollars to get in. Fry's turned out to be the better deal.The good news is... Verizon offers true unlimited now on their android phones. Truly. So there really, really is hope. And the iPhone will be on Verizon soon. So what will AT&T have to do? Yep. The same or lose almost everyone. And when it happens, it's like dominoes. Like when TCP-IP connections to the net suddenly were 19.95 unlimited.. all of a sudden.. everywhere. You watch. I hope I'm right. But I could be wrong. If I am, I won't be doing much mobile Internet. Unless it's in my back yard. lol
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Though this is the impatient one who only wanted to watch series 5. He's loved every single episode so far, and is infatuated with the Daleks, Churchill, and for some reason, the star whale. He likes goofy things :)
We finished Vincent and the Doctor a little bit ago and his reaction was "That was an amazing episode." Which is unusual for him, because he usually likes to joke around a little bit and keep things light. In fact, he even kidded around a bit by saying that he hasn't been able to make fun of anything since Victory of the Daleks. :) -
Though this is the impatient one who only wanted to watch series 5. He's loved every single episode so far, and is infatuated with the Daleks, Churchill, and for some reason, the star whale. He likes goofy things :)
We finished Vincent and the Doctor a little bit ago and his reaction was "That was an amazing episode." Which is unusual for him, because he usually likes to joke around a little bit and keep things light. In fact, he even kidded around a bit by saying that he hasn't been able to make fun of anything since Victory of the Daleks. :) -
USA! USA!
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I've read though that it won't be that way for long.
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and AT&T will just have to deal with it. In May Android and Blackberry phones were out-selling iPhones for the first time and it keeps getting worse, even with the release of the superior iPhone 4. Blackberry had a 36 % market share, Android handsets had a 28% share with the iPhone trailing at 21%. I love Apple. Especially their response. Instead of pitting themselves against the phones that are beating them now, they went public comparing their sales to their own sales in the past. Very Steve Jobs. lol . Great spin. (pre-orders were 10 times higher!! . ahem.. than previous iPhone pre-orders.. heh.. ahem..) That's almost as good as their response to the antennae issue when people hold the phone normally. (Don't do that) Once the iPhone is on Verizon with an unlimited option, I'll be all over that baby. Have you seen the display? It's gorgeous! I like the feel of the Doid Incredible more, but the screen is by far better. Enough technology wanking.. back to Doctor Who wanking. lol
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Woo hoo. I'm going to sleep SO well now. We did it!
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Unlike Sprint and the others. Verizon was faux-unlimited before. They were Comcast unlimited. They said they were, but there was small print. The change is recent. I don't think it would be good for their huge sales right now to stop. And they're about to launch the Droid X (huge phone.. physically huge) with that plan. I'm tempted.
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You've created a mons.. I mean a new fan!
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problem with the iPhone is that once you have one, it's difficult to get used to the interfaces on other phones.
For the record, I haven't had any of the reported problems. And all of our sales reps in our company have iPhones, too... no complaints (and trust me, this bunch WOULD complain!) We've all been kind of scratching our collective heads over that.
Personally, I don't really care about the sales numbers (well, except when I wanted to get my new phone, THEN I cared! *LOL*). No one ever does until they get a smartphone and then all of a sudden it's incredibly important. I don't really get that. I like my phone, you like yours. Nothing beyond that really matters.
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I think my work here is done. I'm going to go now and dream of Doctor Who, River Song in lycra, iPhones in every pocket and apps that make me richer, thinner and smarter. Then later.. I'll wake up.
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Working on #5, but it's summer, so she's busy :)
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I guess I'll call it a night too. Nice to see us get back up to #1! Pretty amazing, that!
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effect policies and rates through competition. I'd like to see iPhone on a service that offers unlimited (truly, even if it's expensive) service and with an app store that isn't AS babysat. I think sales will have an effect on that. Actually, I think sales may be the ONLY thing that makes these changes happen. At least the price thing. As far as the app store is concerned, I think Apple will keep it's firm grip and control. In a way, it's a good thing. But I'd prefer an open platform. But as far as sales go otherwise? I just want a phone I like. If it's a hit, great. If it's not, I still like my phone. Like the one I have right now.. not a smart phone. Maybe dyslexic, perhaps challenged, slightly handicapped, maybe brain damaged a little. But smart? No way. But it does what I want it to. I just am completely drooling over that iPhone screen. I want it even if I don't need it. lol
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that would make it compatible with the Verizon network. Just a rumour. An order through a company. I'd look at closer to the holiday. Wishful thinking, probably.
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I failed with my first. Too obsessed with online games to even pay attention. But I tried.
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We really did it. I knew we could. See you tomorrow.. you.. you.. WINNERS and professionals.
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I step away to watch Terminator: Salvation and we get to number one!!! Kudo's one and all! As far as cross overs go that's just pointless speculation as it will never happen but in our dreams! I'd rather chat about what era we'd like to see the Doctor explore more... or what characters/storylines we'd like to see revisited. I thought that the Osirans (Pyramids of Mars)were a fascinating concept.... a good 1930s mummy story with the Doctor could be fun!
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I think gotilk was talking about cross-overs for fanfics, not the actual shows... but that would be funny as hell :)
Someone... was it Smashing?... thought that the Christmas special might involve the Osirians... what with an Egyptian goddess and all :) But yes, a classic, cheesy mummy story with this Doctor would be awesome :) As much as the episode itself might not have been that great, I LOVED Matt Smith in particular in Vampires in Venice. More classic horror movie schlock would be really cool.
But there was a comic where the Doctor visited HG Wells while trying to fuel up the TARDIS in the Rift, and runs into Torchwood. I'd like to see them turn that into an episode, actually... and steampunk it up a bit, of course :) -
He wanted to keep going all the way through Big Bang :) So we did of course. His reaction at the end of the episode:
(Me:) "So, whadya think?"
"It was." *mimics head exploding* "Um. Good."
(Me:) "Just good?"
"No. No. Just. Woah. Good. No... great."*mimics head exploding again*
(Me:) "Wouldn't you say this is the best show ever?"
*without skipping a beat* "YES."
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I've heard that Verizon doesn't allow you to surf the Internet or do maps or anything while you're on a call. Is that true? And if so, have you heard anything about that changing?
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*LOL* gotilk I'm turning into you ;)
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So am I! Go to bed everyone! Goodnight all!
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So am I! Go to bed everyone! Goodnight all!
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Stands up brilliantly. Best season since the Tom Baker days.
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Not sure about doing that. Multitasking I know it does, but not sure about call/app multitasking. Sure would be a bummer if it couldn't. I think it is the phone that determines that, but not sure.(or some arbitrary "rule") I know you can do it with the iPhone currently. Android's upgrade schedule has been pretty frequent, less so now. That's one of those things I'm just not sure about.
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Have a great morning all.
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Mummy story> Yes, that would be fun. A nice, dusty, dark planet. Ruins, mummies.
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on hitting number one..now take this beast to 10K.
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OK, so just finished Season 4. There are two movie-length Tennant installments... City of the Dead, and the Next Doctor. Does it matter what order we watch these in? I have to work, so I'll take your answer off the air.
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Jul 14, 2010 8:32:58 AM CDT
Oh, and I think a Doctor/Firefly mashup would be hilarious.
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Good thing Tennant is gone, though... Tennant and Fillion on screen at one time might make my head explode. Well, not my HEAD, per se... if you get my meaning...
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Gotlik, I'm just checking in occasionally to give you an attaboy, and some encouragement. PBS should hire you to run pledge-week. I told my wife about your efforts and she's like "Go BOY!" Gotlik and company have inspired me. Since I work from home, I think I'll stream Matt Smith's whole first season today. -
It's not really necessary to watch them in order if you can't, but if you can, I'd recommend it.
I saw this shirt on Zazzle.com that said "David Tennant: Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy". Personally, I don't find Tennant all that attractive... I can't stop staring at his strange little lower lip *LOL* But Fillion? Annnny day of the week, hunny! ;) -
Wish I could do the same... though by this point in time, with all the people I've been catching up/introducing to Doctor Who, and just rewatching episodes to find stuff I've missed, I'm pretty sure I've seen every ep this series at least 3 times each.
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and, like Rose said. He has GREAT hair. Am I addressing another female here?
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He did his native Scottish in his second episode... THAT was a highlight. Scottish accents make any man 40% sexier.
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Put these in the correct viewing order:
Waters of Mars
The End of Time
The City of Death
The Next Doctor
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Let's all hear your ideas on places or races we'd love to see the Doctor visit... historically... extraterrestrially (is that a word?) Nikolai Tesla would be cool for the Doctor to meet... ahead of his time... and to get Bowie to play him?!?
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Amateur hour... jeez. Waters of Mars The End of Time The City of Death The Next Doctor
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i like my doctors old and cranky
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You might want to think about moving this party to another thread. This one is becoming cumbersome... if you try to stay here until the Christmas special, it will take you five hours to refresh the page. Just a friendly suggestion...
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Boring.... It is cool that the baddest Mofos in the universe pause when the Doctor declared himself, but seriously?
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next doctorplanet of the deadwaters of marsend of time
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I think AICN should give us a NEW, dedicated DocBack... with gotlick as a moderator! Should we start mailing someone?
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acshent? Oh wait that's Connery. Same diff, I guess.
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Oh yeah. I think we'll need to move soon.
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Tesla would be a great choice. Getting Bowie back to play him again would be a miracle.
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I think we'll probably get a Christmas special talkback. I'm sure of it. Until then we can just start filling up the old ones until we run out.
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I'd love to do a PBS pledge week. I'd make it short, sweet, interactive and topical. And I would of course push them to bring back old Who.
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Is it still functional at 10k?
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no. it stops allowing you to post at 10K, but it gets reeeeealy slow in the meantime.the air gets thin and you start hallucinating..but its all about the journey aint it?you only live once, well unless youre a timelord.
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"all about the journey" stuff. The air was thin. lol. When you reach 10 thousand, does everyone meet in a room where a dead guy tells as that we've all died?
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Keep us at the top!
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Yes, you are. It's nice not to be the only one in here, isn't it :)
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The ending didn't make me as angry as a lot of people. But it's fun to poke a little fun at it from time to time.
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Bloody hell, why didn't I think of that?!?! That would be AWESOME! Bowie or not, it must happen!
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I stopped watching about season 3, I think. I'd heard a little bit about the ending so I was just curious.
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My little brush with hairband semi-fame. I stood in line at the department of employment development with the singer for Tesla once, when he was in a smaller, less known band. He got tired of waiting and walked out. I got a job. He joined Tesla. The rest is nobody cares history.
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Dr Ronald Mallett. He's doing real time travel research in an effort to (or rather inspired by his desire to) go back and save his father's life. Touching story.. great guy. http://tinyurl.com/n8u8ab He's one of the researchers that's thinking along the lines of data/information rather than physical objects.
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at least a little.
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Guh. http://tinyurl.com/2d8plys Speaking of DT and Nathan Fillion... seriously, doesn't it feel sometimes like these "rumors" are from TBers? *L*
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Thank you for reminding me of Lost. I have the entire last season ported over from the TiVo and have yet to crack it. Last year we watched the full season over two weeks time, and there was really no better way. But it is becoming harder to dodge conversations about the final season, so I'd better, as they say, "shit or get off the pot".
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Good thing I was fairly vague.
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not THAT kind of "moved"
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I can see it.
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I could see it, too, just as long as he plays it a bit more subdued than he did the Doctor. I've always wondered what his American accent is like.
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AN image of Bowie as Tesla, standing by sparking and arcing Tesla Coils over a reclined Cyberman..."It's alive! ALIVE!"... I now have one. And I think Bowie would do it if he liked the project... he was brilliant as himself in Gervais' Extras!
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AN image of Bowie as Tesla, standing by sparking and arcing Tesla Coils over a reclined Cyberman..."It's alive! ALIVE!"... I now have one. And I think Bowie would do it if he liked the project... he was brilliant as himself in Gervais' Extras!
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WE MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!! :)
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I don't want them to do an episode in which Tesla is an intentionally evil person... like a mad scientist or something. Nor would I want him to be one of those bumbling scientists who accidentally unleashes evil onto the world.
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after everything that man went through. Maybe an old-age escape from mortality instead, sent off to the stars to discover things in a ship. That'd be nice. And anyone who knows anything about Tesla would be a weeping sack of mashed fandom in a bowl waiting for dinner after it was over.
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breaking his rules. Snatching a wronged person from history when he knows they wouldn't be missed to give them another life or immortality in peace because they gave so much to history and received so little. Would be an awesome, powerful story. And if there were consequences for having done it, all the better.
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has made me hungry. But not for people, honest.
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Nikola Tesla disappeared, never to be seen again.
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Nikola Tesla disappeared, never to be seen again.
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Tesla as the Doctor's companion?!
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Tesla as the Doctor's companion?!
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Now THERE is an idea. It's a pipe dream, but Bowie could pass for a 76 year old Tesla with some makeup. Maybe even snatch him up 10 years earlier at 66. I'm pretty sure he was done with his work even by then. No wait he was on Time magazine's cover in 31. And completed quite a bit of important work into his later years. Hmm. It'd be tricky. But wow, what a great bunch of stories they could be.
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Now THERE is an idea. It's a pipe dream, but Bowie could pass for a 76 year old Tesla with some makeup. Maybe even snatch him up 10 years earlier at 66. I'm pretty sure he was done with his work even by then. No wait he was on Time magazine's cover in 31. And completed quite a bit of important work into his later years. Hmm. It'd be tricky. But wow, what a great bunch of stories they could be.
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See you all later.
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the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago (like he did with Van Gogh and MoMA). They have a functioning Tesla coil that hangs from the ceiling, it's awesome :) And then he could take him to see Arc Attack (where they would, of course, have to play the Doctor Who theme song). Look up "Arc Attack Doctor Who Theme" on YouTube... I'd give you a link but I'm at work.
Just kidding, that would be horrible. But yes, they MUST do a Tesla episode. MUST. -
My post got deleted :(
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It's back... weird.
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Jul 14, 2010 3:48:52 PM CDT
Hey, everyone, I'm back, I was out all day......................
by axcel1
What are we talking about? I mean, besides Doctor Who, of course. Give me a chance to read the earlier posts and I'll be back.
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mentioning it earlier.
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You were missed. We've remained sort of on topic most of the time.
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Jul 14, 2010 3:58:00 PM CDT
And, eat dinner, too............................................
by axcel1
I just pulled a steak out of the oven.
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Here's a Doctor Who question to think about while I eat, "What is your favorite Doctor Who story or group of stories?
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That ain't happening, frozen01
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Figured as much. Like I said, it sounds like they're getting their rumors from TBers. ;)
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Story or group of stories...So far, I'd have to say Blink is still number one with Forest of the Dead and then Silence in the Library tied with this entire last series, which to me felt like one long story.
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Did you try that thing that I suggested way way back? Frying it up fast on both sides for 2 min on high heat, then popping it in the oven at 400 with a pat of butter over it, covered for 5 to 10 min? Yum.
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Changes with my mood. Right now, I'm going with "Girl in the Fireplace". Although there is a pretty good story in a Doctor Who GN where the Doctor and Martha visit a planet where expressing any emotion is forbidden. I think it was called "The Whispering Gallery" or something like that. Love the art on that, and the story's good, too.
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or it'll be tough and dry.
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I cannot believe I forgot that. That's right up there.
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Gotilk and I both picked Moffat stories :)
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"Monster Files" on the BBC website. Gotta check that out.
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"Monster Files" on the BBC website. Gotta check that out.
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be back soon
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"Well, among other things, I *think* I may have just invented the banana daiquiri a few centuries early. Do you know they'd never seen a banana before? Always take a banana to a party, Rose, bananas are good."
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...for the sake of an angel."
Now THAT'S a pick-up line if I've ever heard one! -
Jul 14, 2010 5:04:06 PM CDT
gotilk, sorry to say............................................
by axcel1
I didn't. When I read your steak post, I was thinking of asking my wife about that. (She being the chef in the house, me being, just a cook.) When I got home, I was in a hurry and just cut my thick steak in half, put onion and garlic power on it and put it in the oven for 9 minutes on one side, and 5 minutes on the other side.
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Jul 14, 2010 5:12:48 PM CDT
My favorite Nu-Whos are.........................................
by axcel1
Blink, School Reunion, The Runaway Bride, Gridlock. (the last two because I love a good chase scen.)
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Jul 14, 2010 5:20:20 PM CDT
Oh, and, by the way.............................................
by axcel1
I call this Doctor Who Talkback "A Startling Triumph of the Human Spirit that won't DIE"!!!!!!!!!!!
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One of my favorite foods. Pizza, strawberry cheese cake, and hot wings also some of my favorites.
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Jul 14, 2010 5:27:12 PM CDT
Wait a minute, Darkocity, did you say, "Clives Pies"??????????
by axcel1
Do I want to know what that is?
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My favorites are from my first Doctor, Tom Baker, The Space Station Nerva stories, The Key To Time , The E-Space stories.
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Probably City of Death. But it's not like I have that much to choose from, and I might be a bit biased because of Romana's hat. Damn, I love that hat!
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Forgive my blondeness, but what movie are you talking about?
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Jul 14, 2010 6:02:39 PM CDT
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, one of the Randomizer stories.....................
by axcel1
That was the best of them.
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But give me fresh stuffed deviled crab any day of the week. Or some good barbeque eel. Mmmmmm.
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Clive Barker, sounds yummy.
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Jul 14, 2010 6:38:47 PM CDT
Ok, frozen01, tell you what.....................................
by axcel1
I might try stuffed deviled crab, but, you can have my share of barbeque eel.
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Say this 3 times fast.. Romanadvoratrelundar !
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I will be eating Eel in the form of what a small sushi place in Berkeley calls the "Godzilla Roll". And it.. is... wonderful.
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I will be gone for.. 15 hours or so. Then I'll be able to maybe JUST stop in to post once or twice before making breakfast. Then later throughout Friday things will be normal(ish) again for me. So be sure to take over for me and keep this baby afloat.
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I'm intrigued. Is it dessert or main course?
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from all the stuff he does all day and night. Well.. actually.. my niece is dating the drummer for a fairly well known Belgian/US acid-rock-techno-industrial band from the late 80s-90s back on tour and they are doing a show in SF tomorrow. She needed a ride, so I'm dropping her off and going to see an old friend for a while. So it'll be a nice break, but technically I'm still just a taxi. lol
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Jul 14, 2010 6:53:19 PM CDT
gotilk, we will try.............................................
by axcel1
I'll be here, hopefully, others will stop by to keep this Talkback ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 14, 2010 6:57:33 PM CDT
Ok, gotilk-taxi.................................................
by axcel1
As I always say, enjoy.
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Illeism? Wow, ban me if I do that again.
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Oh I don't think so.
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Oh I don't think so.
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http://tinyurl.com/2aq6dpg
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I heard someone the radio say it was nice but missed what it was, or to more specific how it was prepared, any ideas? I know I could google but chat is more fun.
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Love the intro.
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not too shabby at ALL.
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the old Who actually. Really nice effort from fans. Pretty shockingly.
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Is Chicken Fried Steak steak fried by chickens? Or is it steak fried WITH chickens.. or is it a way to threaten chickens.. like "see what'll happen to you if you keep waking me up at 4am? THAT used to be a cow.. yeah, that's right.. your little milk-leaking bovine buddy Bessie is soon to be my meal.. let that be a lesson to you".. or something like that? OR is it a conspiracy and it's neither chicken OR steak? The world may never know. OR..It's steak that is tenderized, cut fairly thin and breaded, fried like chicken or cooked in a skillet with oil. I only report, you decide.
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when you know the effect is going to look THAT bad? Why not something humanoid so you could do a semi-alright costume instead?
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution.
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution.
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution.
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF??
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg.
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg. It's been long enough for me to write out entire
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg. It's been long enough for me to write out entire sentences while the msg just sits there doin
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg. It's been long enough for me to write out entire sentences while the msg just sits there doing nothing. Too slow in my o
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg. It's been long enough for me to write out entire sentences while the msg just sits there doing nothing. Too slow in my opinion. I think it's close to time.
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But I still give them an a plus for effort and a c for execution. WTF?? I think it may be time to move to a new talkback now that this thing refuses to post a msg. It's been long enough for me to write out entire sentences while the msg just sits there doing nothing. Too slow in my opinion. I think it's close to time.
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Alrighty then.
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Time to head off for some sleep soon or I'll be up for 48 hours in a row. But I hate to see the number drop so quickly. Like a brick.
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Time to head off for some sleep soon or I'll be up for 48 hours in a row. But I hate to see the number drop so quickly. Like a brick. Not that a brick falls any quicker than a tennis ball.
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http://tinyurl.com/34j4k6a
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THE strangest voice I think I have ever heard.
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the decision to do an outdoor scene that would be super easy to shoot outdoors in the actual place on green screen instead. Very odd. But it looks like they had a blast doing it so I'll stop poo-pooing all over it now.
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cute, funny. http://tinyurl.com/2vknvg7
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Someone makes a phone call, gets dizzy... big dramatic moment (really?).. roll credit sequence!! Way to build the drama! lol I'll stop now since I have not done better myself yet.
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Someone makes a phone call, gets dizzy... big dramatic moment (really?).. roll credit sequence!! Way to build the drama! lol I'll stop now since I have not done better myself yet. http://tinyurl.com/259uluy
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Hrm. At least he's... tall?
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really.
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http://tinyurl.com/245ohex
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http://tinyurl.com/2w5rc2z
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http://tinyurl.com/38jfurs
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http://tinyurl.com/33hj38d
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This one has real character... http://tinyurl.com/3a68ymg
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and I don't mean at the mouth as I usually do. I mean I need some sleep finally. Love you all. I'll check in later. Really check out some of those fan films. Some of them are a blast, a couple are actually interesting.
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that number keeps dropping. But I'm afraid this time I have to stop anyway. :(
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and the number drops 3.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run.
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Gotta run. see you all later
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good night.
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1. Yes, nice to have another chick on here! 2. I have ZERO access to any real-life Scots. I used to know one- a scientist. He was working on the Human Genome Project... no kidding. He was 6'3" of geek... and absolutely adorable. LOVED Cleveland, thought it was the most underrated city... anyway, the Scottish accent goes a LOOOOONG way. Ewan MacGregor... Craig Ferguson... my beloved David... It's not right, my Tennant Doctor Love. It's just not. But I canna stop meself! Och!
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Norton > Hugh Jazzhands. Sorry, Wolverine... but Norton's intensity is too sexy for you...
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That's what I thought, but... Ricky Gervais?
And you haven't lived until you've had fresh deviled crab at a dockside restaurant. Preferably somewhere a bit more tropical. Mmmmm... I really miss good, REAL seafood :o\ Around here, trout is "seafood"... *grumble*
Gotilk had it... barbeque eel is a Japanese dish. Incredibly tender and sweet. VERY good. Usually served on a bed of rice. There's a proper name for it but I can't remember what it is right now. But jellied eel? That sounds positively, frightfully disgusting. Then again, that's what people usually say when I mention "barbeque eel" so perhaps I shouldn't judge :) -
It is late. I am tired. And, you guys REALLY need to find a new thread. The reload time on this bitch is stupid long. When you switch, leave the node you go to if you want any of us stragglers to find you. Adios muchachos!
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must...check...in
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Well, he's not Scottish. From London, actually, which I don't usually like (the accent, I mean!), but whenever he's in the States he kind of softens it and then it's just lovely :) Like fine accent gourmet *mwah!*
I actually preferred The Illusionist, too, but the parts with Tesla I remember being quite cool. Been a little while... I should probably see if it's on Netflix. -
And it's been impeccable until this time.
I believe someone at some point wanted to use this:
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/45368#comment_3390828
Shall we take this opportunity to move over there? -
Until tomorrow, I s'ppose...
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You're a font of knowledge, I really want some chicken fried steak now.
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*LOL* They don't look that much alike, hun. But enough for a good chuckle, I'll give ya that!
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http://tinyurl.com/xmas-or-bust
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it was the whole site. The main page took over 2 minutes to load. It was nuts. And it wasn't my connection. YouTube, gmail, google, twitter and wordpress all loaded super fast at the same time. But I'm going to start posting in another docback because this one is filling up pretty fast and looks like it's finally reaching the point where it's slowing down a lot of regular visitors. (just loaded super fast here though)
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5 seconds just now, posting.
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where's the new whoback then?
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really rewally really slow
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Jul 15, 2010 10:57:28 AM CDT
Hi, everyone, home for lunch....................................
by axcel1
Sorry, I turned in early last night, tired from work. I missed "Psych" last night, but, I'll watch tonight, love that show. If you have never seen it, give it a try, very funny mystery show.
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So if anyone wants to help, feel free. I'm up about 20 I think right now. Will be back in a bit to do more. I think it needs to reach like 57 to show up.
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lesser-loved episode. I figured we'd start with a low post count that way. bbiab
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Goal achieved. Join us there. Let this one fall off. It's been a good run. But the new one loads FAST. See you there.
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Is this a private party / attempt to keep the last Who talkback going all the way to Christmas...or can anyone join in?
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Please, join in! On the new one, though: www.aintitcool.com/node/45446
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Jul 15, 2010 3:54:42 PM CDT
gotilk, I was wondering how "The Lodger" Talkback got to number
by axcel1
Only you would think of doing that. Ok, I'll be right over. (Lesser-Loved, meaning, I was the only one who loved it?)
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we should bring this baby back
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Before it's REALLY dead! Thx for taking my advice! I'll follow you there!
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goosebumps all over.. killer moment, wonderful music.. damn fine season of episodes...
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Came back to check after a month, rewatched the season twice, and yeah, just enjoy it, holes and all.
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