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Holy crap! Quint chats ALIEN, the upcoming Alien Prequels and 3D with Sir Ridley Scott!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. In the 14 years I’ve been at AICN I’ve found myself in some crazy situations, sitting with Gods of Cinema to discuss their work. If I had a check list there would be another name ticked off after last weekend when I was able to arrange a brief sit-down with Sir Ridley Scott to discuss Alien and his forthcoming Alien prequels.
I only got 6 minutes, but I was the only person to get any alone time with Scott when he dropped by the Hero Complex Film Festival to discuss his career between screenings of Alien and Blade Runner. We go over some interesting things with a focus on why he’s wanting to go 3-D with the Alien prequels.
When I was introduced to Scott as being with Ain’t It Cool he told me “you better not write anything bad about me!” The interview starts with my response to that. Enjoy!
Quint: I’m such a big fan of yours I wouldn’t write anything nasty. You could punch me in the face and I’d probably be fine with it! Since you’re here tonight to talk about your early films, I’d like to touch on something specific. I’m a big trailer fan, especially teaser trailers. There’s a lost art, I feel, to movie trailers.
Sir Ridley Scott: Yeah, sure.
Quint: And you have one of the best trailers of all time with Alien, the cracking egg trailer. How involved were you with that?
Sir Ridley Scott: I was two films out of advertising. My previous film was The Duellists and Alien was the second film, so I was deeply in advertising and am still. My company, RSA, is 40 years old and it (has) a lot of advertising directors. So, I’m still deeply in advertising today and trying to do transitions into what you do: alternative forms of income.
I knew a guy at Y&R (Young & Rubicam) in New York, Steve Frankfurt. Steve was the creative director. And Richard Goldberg… they were partners. Either Goldberg worked for them or Steve had gone freelance, I don’t remember which. But at that moment Steve did the campaign with Goldberg’s company and they not only did the title, which I always think is great…
You know when the title comes up and it’s dashes and you don’t know what the hell it us? It’s like a strange hieroglyphic, especially to Jerry Goldsmith’s music, which I think is one of his best scores. It was wonderfully architectural somehow.
But he came up with whole deal. The title, which then you can use that letterform on the poster and he selected… I said, “There are lots of images, but the one you can not use is the alien.” He said, “I’d love to use the egg.” So he took the egg and from that he blew it open with light coming out of it. I saw it and said, “That’s it. That’s great!”
He came up, also, with the line “In Space No One Can Hear You Scream,” which I thought was pretty good.
Quint: Yeah, and I know that really became part of the identity of the movie. My step-father told me when he went to see the film he had no real idea what it was, just saw the poster and knew he wanted to see it. The tagline really grabbed him. You can’t really have that these days. We all know everything about a movie before going to see it.
Sir Ridley Scott: Well, you guys do it! You spread the news!
Quint: Oh, I realize what part we play a part in that.
Sir Ridley Scott: The danger is are we removing the magic? I don’t know. By letting everybody in the door…
I’ve heard now that audiences object if it’s not purely 3D, if it’s 2D to 3D. I could show you 2D to 3D and you wouldn’t know the difference. But when they’re told it’s 2D to 3D they say, “Fuck that, man! I’m paying another four dollars…” It’s about money, of course, but you’re still paying for the effect. Really, it’s very close. 2D to 3D is awfully close.
Quint: Speaking of, I know a lot of our readers, myself included, are very excited to see you return to the Alien franchise, but there was some concern over your interest in doing the prequels in 3D.
Sir Ridley Scott: People don’t want me to do it?
Quint: I think there’s just a worry there because of the technical limitations of filming a movie in 3D.
Sir Ridley Scott: Not at all.
Quint: None at all?
Sir Ridley Scott: Naw. You know, what’s happened is the scientists have gone in the room… because it is complex. The beam-splitter, the this and the that and blah, blah, blah… it all sounds very complex.
I always (camera) operate. I operated entirely on Alien, for instance. Because I’m an operator I think lenses. If you think lenses then the crossover to 3D honestly is nothing.
I was told it was going to slow us down… it didn’t slow (Michael) Bay down. Bay is moving like lightning. Once he realized, “Oh, Jesus… there’s no difference, really. Except I’m adding dimension.”
They say, “Aren’t you worried about how it’s going to cut?” No, because when I’m planning I think in 3D anyway. Even when I’m storyboarding the scene is already thought of in dimension. “When he comes in there, I’ve got a deep two-shot. Should I cover that in singles or not? Will I need a reversal?” You’re already thinking in 3D.
Quint: But will it effect the lighting? My understanding is you have to light 3D brightly for it to really work, which doesn’t seem to fit into the atmospheric mold of an Alien film.
Sir Ridley Scott: You need a stop more. This new (film) stock is running at 800 ASA (ASA being American Standards Association, which sets film speed standards globally). I think when it melts down is will be about as fast (as standard film stock). Normal stock is 500 ASA, so even that is going to be equalized.
I think what people forget is that sometimes you want to fill a little bit more so you have the information in the blacks. So then later, when I grade it, the digital grading will have something to pick up. If there’s nothing to pick up, there’s nothing to pick up.
So, you protect yourself, particularly if you’re doing a film where you see a lot of effects shots you want to protect your negative. If I was just pure film, I would worry less about that and shoot for what I want, but because I’m going to go through a phase, or a generation, digitally I have to protect the negative by having information.
Quint: So, as long as the information is there you can go in during post and put whatever shadows you want.
Sir Ridley Scott: Yes. Then later I can take it, if the information is there, and crush it and contrast it.
Quint: Thank you so much for your time. They’re pulling me away here. I’m very much looking forward to seeing what you’ve got in store. I hope we’ll be seeing a lot of real, practical Aliens running around!
Sir Ridley Scott: Yeah, you will!
I’m not terribly sold on 3-D in the Alien universe, but from the above conversation I’m at least convinced that Scott has put a lot of technical and creative thought into the decision and isn’t just jumping on to the 3-D bandwagon.
I could have spent a couple hours talking with Sir Ridley about his career, but who gets that kind of time? I’m lucky to have gotten the 6 minutes I did. I hope you guys enjoyed it!
-Quint
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It would either enhance or totally cripple the atmosphere. Plus 3D knocks the brightness out, wouldn't that fuck with an already (presumably) dark film? I'm weary.
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Jun 15, 2010 10:53:04 PM CDT
3D is a gimmick for dumb people and children.
by trannyformers_apologist
More after the jump.
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He talks about shooting brighter to allow more information for 3D is the same as normal shooting anyway because you generally over light or overexpose a little bit to get more information when you digitally colour grade, that's granted. My concern is when you put the glasses on the fucking polarization knocks too much light information out. 2D Digital gives you 14.5 foot lamberts of brightness. 3D gives on average 4 foot lamberts. It was noticeable on the happy, happy bright world of Avatar ( I saw it in 2D & 3D to check). I'm worried this won;t work, or won;t work well.
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but he's got my ass in the seat.
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Ooops. Spoiler.
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I mean, damn! That's just way too short. Great stuff, though, as he's clearly aware of what's going on with cinema on the creative, technical, business and fandom sides of things. The guy is approaching 75 years old and still sounds totally interested in what he's doing, too. But DAMN! I do wish that was a couple hours worth of interview.
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I was glad to see Scott call out AICN for being part of the problem of giving everything away before a movie comes out. Blame trailers all you want, but this site is ALL ABOUT giving away the movie before it's released. Good for Ridley.
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God, I hate 3D.
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This is the man who gave us Blade Runner, a film Christopher Nolan has seen "hundreds and hundreds of times" "because of the detail". And your plan is to NOT watch a 3D movie made by this person? Good Luck.
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Alien is a materpiece of not only Sci-fi but also Horror and I'd hate to see you sully that by doing a prequel. I'd love to see at least one more Sci-fi movie from Scott but not this.
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Alien isn't cool anymore. You are aware of the crap sequels and Aliens VS Predator, right?
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r in 2D. I have no vested interest in it one way or the other. But there is one thing IO love dearly about it...that it just pisses off Transformersapologist, and probably keeps him up at night sulking about its current popularity. Please give us some more predictions tranny! Tell us how the whole 3D thing will work out. After all you were proven so right after spending months spamming the talkbacks going on and on about what a massive financial failure Avatar would be....oh wait, that never happened. Quick Tranny! What are the winning lottery numbers for this week??!
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Jun 15, 2010 11:59:48 PM CDT
I know I shouldn't be but I'm positive to Ridley directing
by benbraddock
You can't go home again - ask Spielberg post CRYSTAL SKULL - but this film *will* get made, so better it does in the hands of an acknowledged master. At the very least we will get to compare 1979/2012 Ridley versions of ALIEN, which interests me a lot. And who knows, he may make a great prequel. Who thought an ALIEN sequel could be brilliant back in 1986?
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Great Interview Man
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Scott knows his shit. Nolan didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about.
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Oh well. Did the best with what you had to work with. I don't worship at the alter of all things Ridley, but he is an undeniable talent, and I have to say this will be the first Alien film I will go into with some optimism in a long time (I actually liked Alien 3, but the rest of the trash...sigh). Anyway, I'm still waiting for the Space Jockey plot to turn out to be a complete red herring, but even if not, this is the only guy I would have any hope for making a good modern Alien movie.
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I kept scrolling up and down wondering when Sir Ridley was going to say something about the substance of the Alien prequels, but I guess he's chosen to be tightlipped about them.
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This movie will tell how it came to be that Ripley was floating in space in the Narcissus (actually a lifeboat for a much larger ship), her first encounter with the Alien (not the lack of plural there) and how the LV-426 "Derelict" briefly glimpsed in some of ALIENS' production art factors into the overall story. Her cat "Jones" is slated to have an expanded role as well.
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I have nothing against 3-D when it's done well, like in Avatar. But is Scott really making the argument that converting 2-D to 3-D is the same as shooting in 3-D? Because the movies that have been converted to 3-D have been disappointing, and quite a few have been giving people headaches at my local theater (Clash of the Titans being the worst offender). I don't think there's been a converted film so far that had excellent 3-D yet like Avatar.
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... but I felt Nolan was more informed about why he didn't want 3D than Scott was about why he did.
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Most of what Scott said about 3D was statement and that throwaway line about the scientists--Nolan had more technical evidence to back up his points. But given that I'm not an expert on photography I don't know how to judge them.
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Scott cited Bay as a precedent? Because it did mine.
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during a commercial break to some insipid 70s TV show like The Love Boat or Three's Company and holy shit it scared the holy shit out of me! Mind you, it wasn't the full trailer that's embedded up above, censors in the 70s (let alone today) would let that be aired on prime time TV - it was just the panning on strange ground then the egg shows up, cracks and a beam of light pours out with that weird sound - it left such an impression on me. The fear that 15 second spot left on my little 8 year old brain was intense. No one had ever seen anything like that before. That movie was something mythic to me. I wasn't able to see it until it was aired on TV sometime in 1982 I believe and I could only watch it bits. I had to get up off my ass and physically turn the channel selecter dial on the TV because I was too much of a wuss. That movie filled me with wonder, fear, awe, and dread which is why it's my all-time favorite film. I'm there for the prequels, it's in Ridley that I trust.
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The 3D grudge match, battle of the auteurs. Who is right, the wiley old timer, or the bold new upstart? Find out this weekend as these giants of the film world take their battle to...... The Octagon!
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Jun 16, 2010 1:23:41 AM CDT
that trailer is scarier than any recent flick i've seen.
by redhorsevector
holy shitballs.
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He's not your pal. Think outside the double-wide.
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Scott will probably bring Russel Crowe with him to the fight, but Nolan will bring Christian Bale. Then some douchebag will obstruct Bales line of sight and he will go bonkers and kick the shit out of everyone, cause he is Batman.
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You didn't see Avatar in 3D? You missed out on something special pal.
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I certainly don't have a problem with him directing this nor do I have any particular problem with 3D. The only thing that concerns me is the "rumours" if it the leaked script ie gay sex and minature aliens then I would be very worried about this project. Hopefully(!) that script will turn out to be fake!
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every fucking question has "I" or "me" in it.
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Jun 16, 2010 2:38:03 AM CDT
RIDLEY SCOTT COULD BEAT YOU DOWN...IN 3D
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
You know he fucking would.Fucking tough as nails that guy. Even Russell "I'm gonna throw a fucking phone at your head asshole!" Crowe is probably scared of him.
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...and since you guys know my love with that little movie, that tells a lot.
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You would do well to pay attention to the man.
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what the fuck was up with that Robin Hood movie?
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...however, the ambitious, driven, 'everything-to-prove' Ridley in a Post-Star Wars climate is a very different man to the comfortable, established, studio director Ridley we know today. The shock of the original Alien film can't really be replicated, the studio system itself has changed so substantially as to place a whole other set of demands on a major film and indeed Ridley himself (admitted during the last round of 'Blade Runner' interviews) that he is much less of an obsessive these days, all of which points to this project being a massive disappointment. God, I really hope not as fresh, inventive and visually unique film sci-fi's awfully thin on the ground these days.
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Ridley summed up AICN with those few words. It's kind of hypocritical to tell a director that trailers remove the magic from films by giving away everything about the movie beforehand when you work for a website that's primary purpose is to give away as many details about movies before they come it.
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any 3D story that gets that TrannyFormers kid ranting is fine by me. One of my favorite moments(after coming to this site since 98) on AICN ever was seeing all the Cameron haters go scurrying off for at least a month or two, completely humbled yet too afraid to admit just how fucking wrong they were.
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And despite what any director says about working in 3D they are ALL hopping on the 3D bandwagon. Anything they say otherwise is insulting to any movie enthusiast’s intelligence. It’s about marketing, plain and simple. I just wish all these old time legends would admit it. But I understand why they have to be coy about it. “sometimes you want to fill a little bit more so you have the information in the blacks. So then later, when I grade it, the digital grading will have something to pick up….” Blah blah. Hilarious!
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I didn’t know when he got his knighthood, but it means nothing to have a “sir” title, actually it’s a bit of a badge of shame these days, seeing as that Peter Benenson, founder of Amnesty International, refused a knighthood on the basis of Britain’s questionable foreign policies. But as (SIR) Alec Guinness says “from a certain point of view” and all that shit!
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Showing the camera panning up and looking all around the inside of the space jockey's ship ( as if from the POV of a human ) alone would be worth the 3D.
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There is a lot of territory in the Xenomorph story. Use it.
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I'd love to see one, but I think I read somewhere that Scott had written it off because he was "done" with Bladerunner (which I could understand).
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A Ridley Scott 3D film will look awesome...I would love to see Blade Runner converted to 3D..
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Please become a level 25 PALADIN w/armor bonus because being a knight just isn't enough for the fanboi rage dweebs.
A mere knight? You say.....? Baaaahhhhhhh!
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in the alien prequel. All this talk of 3D, space jockeys, terraforming.
Are we going to get a space drama? Will it be subtitled? Are there any humans in it?
Seriously all I want is more marines and machine guns taped to flame throwers.
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Worry not my friend. Ridley plans to become a PALADIN, level 25 to be exact, so space drama won't be a problem.
You see, PALADINS are better than KNIGHTS. They have spells like "Space Drama" or the more powerful "Summon Odin".
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Yes,there is an interview somewhere, can`t remember where, and Scott says that he has been asked about a 3D conversion of Bladerunner. His reply was that he did not see the point in doing it, and would rather spend his time on something new.
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Ridley Scott PALADIN edition™ "I drink your milkshake ether, restoring my mp!" - Ridley to FilmExec
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Hes a force of nature,like a hurricane or the black plague.
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I'm wondering if you're being sarcastic about Nolan not knowing what he was talking about for 3D, because it was Scott in this interview who was speaking in half sentences and generalities, seeming like he had very little grasp on nit. Nolan sounded like he invented the stuff by comparison.
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There's plenty of fully-formed thoughts in there. He's just far less pretentious than Nolan. It's clear he's considered this option carefully before proceeding, and he mentioned some time ago that he also consulted Cameron as well. Considering Nolan openly admits mimicking one of Scott's movies with every film he makes, I think we can trust the source of inspiration over the copyist.
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it doesnt add to the movie. it is distracting and often just has stuff thrown in for the "wow" factor. More often than not as in Clash of the Titans it is poorly executed.
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Stop flogging the dead horse. In my world, Alien and Aliens are the only 2 movies that existed. Everything else after that was complete and utter SHIT!!!
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When that grotesque creature finally made an appearance, I crapped my pants. But enough about Harry Dean Stanton...
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You don't fuck with HDS.
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Sure, Robin Hood isn't the best movie he's made (though if you just forget about the Robin Hood element entirely it's a pretty good 'historical') but it still looked great, up to his standard, which is very high. If anyone can pull off the Alien prequel, if anyone was MEANT to do it it's Ridley Scott. 3D shouldn't harm the movie if he's at the helm. He cares about the look of every single shot.
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The Necronomicron of Giger will be fabulous in 3d; the biggest mistake IMHO would be to focus too much on the human characters--Ridley's weakness--and not on the set and setting--his gifts. I'd rather have an Alien prequel where the Space Jockeys talk in hieroglyphics to each other, as they try unsuccessfully to contain a breakout of Warriors (I'm assuming, as I have since 1979, that they're all the same bio-engineered race) than to get in touch with human feelings. But that's me. Otherwise, have two initially helpless human females discover their strengths as they deal with the Warriors.
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...I'll be disappointed, but fuck it...you only live once.
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The more we know about them and the more we see them, the more demystified and less scary they become. 'Nuff said.
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Yeah well, that ol' badger Scott still gets it, too.
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Seems like the old-timer is much more accepting of the latest technology than the youngster. Looking back at Nolan's interview, he really comes off as somewhat of a Luddite - no e-mail, no cell phone, no DV, no 3D. In contrast, Scott seems way more accepting of what's available to today's filmakers to put their vision on the screen. I love that he doesn't let the technical challenges of 3D intimidate him, hell nothing seems to intimidate him! Can't wait for the old timer to show the younguns how it's done.
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when Giger was designing for Dune in 1975, which then became Alien or Star Wars, depending upon who you talk to. The Space Jockeys should be as wise, but harmless, like ET, and entirely unable to contain an Alien outbreak. That's where we primitive humans come in; after all our heroic males have been killed off, of course, so that the Space Jockeys can bond with our females. There ya go, Ridley: you asked us to do it for you, and I just did.
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Has there been another movie since Avatar that hadnt used it as gimmick?
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Jun 16, 2010 10:35:54 AM CDT
Space Jockey died of auto-erotic asphyxiation
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
Alien Zero: You'll shit your space jockeys!
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Jun 16, 2010 10:41:15 AM CDT
It's too bad you didn't have more time.
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
But then again who does?
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Alien is just perfect. So a very different approach and story, connected to the Alien story tangentially, seems like the only possible chance for something "Wow!"
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its the very least we deserve... predator and alien fans have been DESPERATE for ANYTHING that even vaguely evokes the suspense and action of the former or the horror of the latter..
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At least it did in Avatar. The first 5 minutes your like "oh cool" then by hour 2 your like "these glasses fucking suck".
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and I'm a big fan of all types of stereographic photography. Anyone who pays $4/5 more for some 'retrofitted' bullshit is a mug.
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But then I wanted no humans in AVP and a serious reduction in number of humans in Transformers... and that didn't happen either.
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except in my case it took less than an hour before i stopped noticing it was even in 3D and the first 20mins sucked because it was a little much. so yes, 20 odd minutes of "oooo" out of a 2h40 movie was so worth the extra 3$. :P
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. . . just return to sci-fi w/OUT revisiting this franchise. It is ruined and DEAD. New species. New idea. You can do it, I KNOW you can . . .
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Jun 16, 2010 12:10:45 PM CDT
I love to see Ridley Scott talk about the mechanics of filmmakin
by asimovlives
It's quite clear that he knows what he's talking about. He's no slouch who just leans on the cinematograher and hopes for the best. He is very good. On the technical side of filmmaking, he's almost without compare.I have to say, quint did the right questions to Scott. He loves to talk about the technical side of things, and he's very pasisonate about it.And the story about the trailer was great. Thank you, quint, for asking him that. I don't recall anybody ever asked him that before. Good job.
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You better start calling Ridley SCott a copist of John Ford, Orson Welles and Stanley Kubrick, then. Becasue Scott has always said he unabashedly has bene inspired and stolen from those directors. Get a grip, dude! Inm case you are not aware yet, you can admire both Scott and Nolan. Like me.
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good job.
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Unless you are both deaf and extremely colourblind, you don't need any aparatus in your face to experience colour and sound in a movie, do you? Themere showing of a movie in 3D necessitates a whole paraphenalia of aparatus and preparation which, frankly, given the results, i don't think it's worth it. 3D can look good in the hands of a good filmaker who has planed that from scratch, like Cameron did withy AVATAR, but in the end, it doesn't really bring nothing much to a movei,in the end. I watched AVATAR both in 3D and in 2D, and i tell you, it looks better in 2D. 2 and half hours of watching it in 3D was taxing to the extreme, adn by the end it was not providing any enjoyment at all, but causing stress and unconfortable. It was giving me an headache. I don't go to the movies to get an headache, thank you very much. And after watching AVATAR in 2D, frankly, there's no loss at all. The story is as well told and as visually interesting in 2D as well. 3D was nice at first, but at the one hour mark it outstayed it's welcome and just became anoying and distracting. The movie is better in 2D. And that's a movie designed to be in 3D from the start! 3D is a fad, and an anoying one at that. It's not really bringing anything new to cinema, it's meraly cosmetic, and what it can be done with it is nothing it couldn't be done before, dramatically. It's a waste of everybody's time.
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Jun 16, 2010 12:33:08 PM CDT
What did he have to say about Harry's Robin Hood Review?
by eddiemurphyslaugh
Quint pretty much summed up AINT IT COOL in the first sentence: "Quint: I’m such a big fan of yours I wouldn’t write anything nasty."
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"At least FOX is going back to the franchise's roots!"And that's the problem right there: FOX!
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I know exactly what you mean. Scott should be doing THE FOREVER WAR, instead of revisiting ALIEN. Sure, i want nobody else making a new ALIEN movie, but the idea of a prequel is giving me the fear. I still have a lot of trust in Scott, but i would rather to see him advance with his carrer instead of revisiting his oldies goldies.
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"Sir" Ridley is apparently contemplating going "indie" with this production and shooting with the Canon 5D MKII.
He says it will be easier to shoot with a smaller crew, allowing them access to intergalactic locations that are difficult to get permitted.
Also, there's no real difference between post-conversion 3D and movies shot for 3D. That's all a bunch of hogwash and technical blah-blah-blah. It's all really very easy. So Fuck You, Chris Nolan.
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is that a confirmation that Michael Bay is now shooting Trans 3 in 3D? THIS IS NEWS TO ME
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Another article noted, "Summarily forgotten, the space jockey lived on in Ridley's mind and he is 'always amazed that no one explored the backstory of 'The Space Jockey' in the sequels because it’s so obvious in the first movie.'"
Really? "Always?" That sounds like age-of-the-prequel talk to me. I've said this before, but that's not my favorite kind of talk. All these ridiculous assumptions about audiences seeing random background pieces and thinking "what's THAT about? I hope they make another movie to tell me." If that's true, I want a movie about Buckaroo Banzai's watermelon.
"the two planned prequel films will chronicle two adventures of the space jockey; one being how he encountered the aliens, and one about how he got there"
Really? That requires two movies to tell? And will there be any humans at all in these flicks?
"Predators is looking to revitalize the other quintessential 80's monster villain"
REALLY? "Quintessential?" Come on, the Predator franchise was mediocre from the get go. I've always felt that its "classic" status was mostly self-propelled.
I love Alien and much of Ridley Scott's work, but this is also the guy who made G.I. Jane thinks Deckard is a replicant. A decent Alien product is not a guarantee here.
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So we have an Incal fan here, hem? Greetings, fellow fan.
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The firing of Megan Fox appears even more tragic.
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... i ever read this last 10 years is Ridley Scott evocking Michael Bay to make a point about his opinion of 3D. That shit sent shivers down my spine! It makes me question the old master's mind. Why he had to namecheck Bay, of all people? Why not some proper filmmaker? Fuck, he could even had namechecked Zemeckis, it would had been 100 times preferable to Bay, and Zemeckis now sucks! But not as much as Bay sucks! Really, i'm going to have nightmares tonight! I'm probably going to dream of Bay eating the guts of Ridley Scott raw, and share them with Jar Jar Abrams.
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Can you guys imagine the typical Bay over-edited bullshit in 3D? AVATAR already gave me a migrane, and that movie was esquisitly edited with grace and elegance in a classical style. an you imagien how worst it can get with the typical Bay bullshit editing style? That's the stuff of pure terror right there. I'm having visions of that scene from Scanner right now! If ever i needed a reason to stay miles away from TRASHFORMERS 3, this is it! This is it!
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A good Charlemagne movie, i'd like to watch that. I'm even named after him! Well, not the Magnum part, just the Charles part, that's my first name. Or rather, the portuguese version of the name, Carlos. I think Charlemagne was one of the most badass king in history. The stuff that happened in his life, small wonder he became legend. But which director could do him justice?
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I find it fascinating from a neuropsychology perspective. Strictly speaking, we don't perceive the world in 3D. Our brain uses various cues to integrate the 2D images from our retina into a 3D representation of the world. Plus, almost all of us use one dominant eye, which calls into question just how much we benefit from the 3D movie experience. It's almost as though a 3D movie presents the finished product of what is formed in our brain, feeds it through the inescapable 2D filter of our retina, and then the image is reconfigured into a 3D image by our brain. It's cool, and yet it seems kinda stupid to introduce that extra step. Considering how much work it's asking our eyes and brains to do, I'm wondering when fatigue will set in with the 3D craze. Maybe never, but I seriously doubt it.
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He just doesn't have the lightness of touch he had 30 years ago. His films are now efficient action movies, little more. Even his once amazing lighting is a bit flat, washed out and dull. Alien prequels will remove the last vestiges of mystery. And 3D? Ugh.
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There's too many movies which have great images made all though the history of cinema what don't need 3D to provide spectacle. This 3D even reeks of arrogance, in my opinion. they talk of it as if movies before 3D weren't spectacular or could provide awe-inspiring images for the enjoyiment of us at the audiences. Nonsense! If anything, 3D might help more the untalented hacks then the really talented filmamkers. The 3D stitch could make hacks pretend they are making "big spectacular movies",, the same why they did when hacks started to over-abuse CGI shots to distract from the terribleness of their stories (when there was one) and direction.I suspect this 3D fad is another tecnique from the studuios to try to distract the audiences they are being served a bunch of movies with nothing in them, shallowness in the form of entertaiment with no merit whatsoever, dressed with 3D spectacle. The more i know about 3D, the more i get skeptical about it.
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...none of this 3D talk really matters to me. Most people are never going to have a 3D tv set, anyway. So that's how future viewings will be seen.
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Come on. What if you have a seizure or something and can't make any more movies before the foreverwar gets made? What will we do then?
You are the only one who can be trusted with the material.
Seriously dude, i'll blow you if you film it. (or make my sister do it if you prefer)
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The way he used to. I don't care if it's in Fuckin' 3D or not.
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make it happen hollywood. Better yet, bollywood... with singing and dancing.
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"I would LOVE to see Ridley tell a really great story the way he used to"I know the felling exactly.
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However, the retina is curved, not flat like a camera film or sensor plane, and how the brain processes the inputs is very complicated. So mashing 2 flat projections (carrying distortions and warping, inevitably) together will produce a 3D image, but a weird one, like a multiplane cardboard cutout set.
In addition, there is the frame issue. We do not look through a window in front of us all day long. So everybody who claim that 3D (in this incarnation) is here to stay because this is the way we see things in nature, don't know much about the Poetry of the Steak. -
... or else i have to stop watching movies in the theaters. And that for me is like slow death.
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You can't lick Ridley's sphincter completely about the look of Blade Runner. Jordan Cronenweth was there... and that guy was a talent. I don't care if Ridley claims to "operate" or not.
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I loved Alien and Aliens, but I've had more than enough of that franchise. Ridley is old and all old directors suck. But if he has one last decent movie in him, let it be The Forever War. It's one of the most filmable sci-fi books I can think of and it hasn't been done yet. I will not go see any more stupid reboots / remakes / prequels / sequels. And if he waits until after Aliens, then he'll likely be too old to pull it off. Just fucking do it already before it's given to Roland Emmerich or J.J. Abrams!
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Ridley could easily grab the DP credit with his clout. Robert Rodriguez snags his. There is a reason why Cronenweth and Vanlint were hired for Blade Runner and Aliens... and there is a reason why Ridley hasn't been able to replicate the feel of the lighting from those films. Granted, Ridley has some basic knowledge. There is a reason why Ridley has only DPed "Boy and Bicycle."
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"Alien." Corrected before any nerd tries to crucify me.
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I'm not diminishing Jordan Cronenwelth's achievement, because the man was a giant in his trade. However, the look in Blade Runner is Ridley Scott's. Look at his movie THE DUELISTS, in ALIEN, and in his later LEGEND, all shot with different DPs, and you will see all of them have a coherent look to them. They all look like they came fromthe same person, which they were. And the person was Ridley Scott, director. You cna bitch and criticise Ridley Scott for many other reasons, but the looks in his movies, that's him, it's him who decides it, how it should look. Denying that is absurd and shows little knowledge of him as a filmmaker. all else is fair game, but Ridley Scott was always and always is the boss of how his movies look like. His movies look great because of him.
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Ridley Scott can't have a DP credit nor can he operates as a DP in his movies because of union rules, both in UK and specially in USA. The American Association of Cinematography forbids directors to have DP credits, to protect the cinematographer profession. They don't accept directors in their ranks. This is why there's no ASC cretids to the name of such directors/DPs like Peter Hyams and Steve Soderbergh. In fact, the later even uses a pseudominum in his movie's cinematography credits. And all directors who are aslso their own DPs are always under severe criticism from the ASC. It's all about protecting their trade. This is also why in USA Scott is not allowed to operate the camera himself, if he still wants to belong to the Director's Guild Of America.
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It will be weird finally knowing where that big fella came from. Hope it does'nt soil the original.
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Although soil works too I guess lol
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I think soil works better the spoil, actually.
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Can't wait to see how he handles the pace and mood of these Alien prequels, not to mention the design (Moebius, Cobb and Geiger back again god willing).
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Exactly! But we also need to see his grandfather and father on screen. Battle of Tours and all that.
But yeah, I don't know what director could do all that history justice. The worst thing that could happen is someone Arthur's it.
And exactly right about Scott's look. When I watched Legend for the first time I didn't know it was directed by him. But not too long into the film I guessed it. -
...another ALIEN movie directed by the great man himself, I'm kinda torn knowing that the amazingly mysterious 'Space Jockey' sequence in his original will never seem so mysterious again after his prequel.Still, there's no-one I'd rather see return to this franchise, although I'd have liked Cameron onboard in some way too, of course.While I've no doubt things will look terrific, I'd just like to go on record as despising the new 'color-grading' that was done for the 'ALIEN:Director's Cut'! As well as preferring the original 'Theatrical Cut' anyway, I far prefer the natural vibrant coloration of the original too. The new color-grading ruined the look of things as far as I'm concerned, and ended up murkily dark overall, while distorting the colors.Even the 'Theatrical Cut' on the 'Quadrilogy' boxset was done in the same horribly 'stylised' coloring. I find them both unwatchable compared with the original version, but maybe that's just me. Along with the dreadfully unnatural-looking color-grading being done in certain more recent movies, this latest development of re-coloring PAST movies is very unwelcome.Alas, Ridley also did this with his BLADERUNNER:Final Cut too. Again, when compared to the beautifully vibrant colors of the flawed 'voice-over' original, it's another Ridley classic that has been spoiled with an overly-dark, muted look.While I remain disappointed with how these 2 classics will always look from now on color-wise, I'm convinced the imagery in the prequel(s) will turn out great in 3D.
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I'm picturing long dark hallways with flickering lights and shifting shadows engulfing me in 3D and creeping me the fuck out. Being surrounded by the interior of an alien ship or the landscape of a hostile alien world will be amazing...Robin Hood was fine at PG-13 but this HAS to be R...could be the new scariest movie ever made with the 3D if done right
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gonna watch the DC of KOH tonight
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Jun 16, 2010 6:36:45 PM CDT
Scott knows his stuff when it comes to 3D...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
I'm glad he gruffly dismissed Quint's 'concerns' before he could bust out another ignorant fanboy anti-3D blurb. You don't tell DaVinci how to paint the fucking Mona Lisa, you know?
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Scott will use what he decides is best for the movie, be that CGI or animatronics, not Quint, Devin Faraci, or any of their idiotic brethren. Just because you own a truckload of geek memorabillia doesn't qualify you an expert on the technicalities of crafting a movie, and it's time that crowd learned that fact."I’m not terribly sold on 3-D in the Alien universe"On what reasoned basis, other than knee-jerk fanboy reactionism. Quality 3D depth would be a fantastic addition for a filmmaker like Scott who utilises very slow suspenseful pacing as in the first Alien movie, and highly detailed production design that has many layers of detail. The possibilites of using 3D for the Alien universe could be unlimited; not only genuinely bringing back the fear of the series (imagine the clanking, dripping corridors of The Nostromo in 3D, as the camera slowly tracks through them); but also in melding that kind of suspense cinema with how a human being reacts to it. Scott jammed the frame in Alien with a lot of foreground objects and clutter - this is perfect for 3D, but in a suspense thriller, frame composition is great for misdirection and making the audience think they saw things they didn't, and vice versa, depending on where their eyes are drawn. 3D could contribute to this in very inventive ways. The possibilities haven't begun to be explored yet."I’m at least convinced that Scott has put a lot of technical and creative thought into the decision and isn’t just jumping on to the 3-D bandwagon."Why would he be? This isn't Louis Letterier or Brett Ratner we're talking about here, you fucking idiot. Show some respect to a master filmmaker. He doesn't have to convince YOU.
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Trannyfucker, you did not manage to weasel out of the fact that you admitted Avatar was visually accomplished some months back. You fucking knuckledragger.
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When Scott started using that shaky-cam, reduced frame rate juddery bullshit effect from "Saving Private Ryan" in all his action sequences he just about lost me. I hate that shit. I didn't see "Robin Hood" so I don't know if he's still using it. If he is, I definitely hope he shitcans it for any 3D productions. Can you imagine having to look at that nonsense in 3D?
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"Bay is moving like lightning..." I wish he said "I hope Bay get's struck by lightning". Anyway, I very VERY optimistic about these films. Can't wait for the first images to filter out. Scott mentioned these films are going to be "disturbing". Read lots of body horror, claustophobic interiors, nightmarish landscapes...I've waited soooo long for a good Alien film I really can't wait for this. And if Scott delivers, what chance James Cameron might be tempted to return? Cameron hated Alien 3, there is definitely unfinished business there for him, and he already has the skeleton of a script ready to go.
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I MEAN COME ON TO SAY RIPLEY HAS TO BE IN EVERY FUCKIN ALIEN MOVIE IS RETARDED! UHHH GEE ALIEN 4? THEY CANT FIND ANYMORE ALIENS SO THEY CLONE HER? I GUESS SHE'LL WARP BACK IN TIME FOR THIS ONE TOO EH? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG YOU CYBER GEEKS!
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DID ONE OF YOU GEEKS FRY YOUR BRAIN ON THIS?
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"I loved Alien and Aliens, but I've had more than enough of that franchise. Ridley is old and all old directors suck. But if he has one last decent movie in him, let it be The Forever War. It's one of the most filmable sci-fi books I can think of and it hasn't been done yet. I will not go see any more stupid reboots / remakes / prequels / sequels. And if he waits until after Aliens, then he'll likely be too old to pull it off. Just fucking do it already before it's given to Roland Emmerich or J.J. Abrams!"This is kinda what is dampening my enthusiasm on these Alien prequels. If Sir Ridley hadn't already announced The Forever War as his next film, after waiting like 25 years to finally secure the film rights, then I'd be a bit more excited about the Alien prequel(s).I think that an Alien sequel, one that almost restarts the property down the line farther in the franchise's fictional future with no Ripley, now that could work really well. I just don't think we need to know how the company Weyland Yutani found out about the alien. I don't want to know more than I already do about the damn space jockey. All this doesn't so much kill the suspense (which it could kill if not handled right), but it makes the events in Alien and Aliens feel less sinister and timeless. The company has always been this sort of evil puppeteer maneuvering and conspiring in the background. I think it should stay this way.At this point, I'd rather see a Blade Runner sequel than an Alien prequel. Think about it, the Alienverse has been successfully explored and then driven into the ground that all that is really left is to nearly reboot the whole franchise at this point. At least if they did that, they'd have the best chance of success and wouldn't be limited by having to connect the dots with Alien. With Blade Runner, as long as they did something in the same fictional world, but divorced plenty from the original, then I think it could work. All they'd have to do is make it about another character that is a Blade Runner hunting down replicants on the offworld colonies, or better yet, make it about the replicants on the run from Blade Runners or mercs. Don't even reference anything from Blade Runner except keep the cyberpunk/future noir tone, maybe acknowledge the Tyrell corp. in passing, and make all the characters completely new. Call it Offworlder or better yet, Dangerous Days.Something like that could certainly be the proper sequel to Blade Runner that Soldier already tried and failed. If Ridley was in the director's chair, I think it could work and would have more potential than an Alien prequel that is trying to tie in with the first two classic films.
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ridley...go back andlook at your old stills of the props, man.
The space jockey was not a 'suit' it had teeth. eye cavities. I could even buy that the hands, arms and ribs are all suit elements, but the head tells a different story. TEETH man. i can even swallow that an advanced race could 'grow' a biomechanical suit to crawl in and pilot a ship or explore space...but the thing had teeth. it wasn't a suit, Ripples. -
The only REAL bandwagon is the one filled with people who hate 3d either because they have no depth perception, bad vision or went to see Clash of The Titans as their first experience with the new 3d. Oh and you guys that are part of the cynical generation. You of the raped childhoods and fragile sensibilities, surrounded by a culture you don't understand and can only impotently blanket-label as "emo".
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Sure the Alien concept and design are cool, but what made the highest grossing alien film popular, were the Colonial Marines. Bring back the marines and put them up against a hive of aliens and I'll wager my left nut it will make at least $100 million.
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ZZZZZZZZ
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... technical issues. Hilarious! Quint actaully thinks he is a film maker now after writing about other peoples works for too long. What a douche.
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Sir Ridley Scott's my main tank when I run 25 mans!!!
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other idiots like Devin Farce from crap..uh I mean Chud are the ultimate armchair directors. No ability or talent in the field, but they will question master directors on the technical aspects of film. As you say, fucking hilarious
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and Cameron. Neither suffer fools gladly....
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I'll probably go see these new Alien films in the theater. Alien is such a great concept that it's a real shame we only have two great movies out of the franchise.
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At least he doesn't stand for this 3D nonsense.
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Alien, Blade Runner, and The Duelists looking nothing alike... lighting wise. But, "Blade Runner" and "State of Grace" have the exact same lighting style... the abundance of Croniecones. Why? Because of Jordan Cronenweth. Yes... yes and we're all supposed to obey the speed limit. Fact is union rules are a farce. This is a known fact out here. Robert Rodriguez got around them for sure... and Barry Sonnenfeld was the DP on Phil Joanou's "Three O'Clock High" and he wasn't in the union.
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There are "workarounds" with a *wink wink*.
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Ridley's return to the alien franchise means a return of style, atmosphere & character. Alien has to be my favourite film of all time. The Space Jockey had always sparked curiousity. Everything about the derelict spaceship was odd & alien. Im glad Ridley is opening that door to the unknown & diving into new territory... Im excited that there is still a handfull of directors that are using their imaginations & creating high concept sci-fi visions! 3D is the icing on the cake!!
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...stereographers coming out of the woodwork lately. They usually also have a lot to school us about CG and SPFX as well. I would still bet 2$ that most of them take pictures with their cell phone and never held a real camera in their life.
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This site must be full of the emo generation. Whinging for the sake of whinging. 3D for this type dark film will be great!! The fantastic thing about the first alien movie was the slow built & what the audience doesn't see that scares them; So what if the screen is darker... Those dark corners will make you want to lean in... & when the slow terrifying sequence builts to the crescendo scare, the added 3D effect should be fantastic. Imagine the extra depth added to Ridley's terrifying interior corridors & alien chambers! Imagine the claws of an alien beast reaching out to grab you... Yes, this will be awesome!
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... unlike what many like to claim, 3D is not the new sound or the new colour photography. You never needed special aparatus to experience sound of colour photography in movie,s you are already naturally equiped to do that. With 3D, you have to put a contraption in your face or else you can't experience it. It's not a natural process for our eyes and our brains. We have to be tricked into process it as such. And it's not an invisible, unconscious trick, like the 24 frames a second that film and video has, because that's unnoticable. In 3D, you are always aware that you are bring illusined.nd then there's the medical side. I'm happy to know that many of you do not have this prioboem, but I and many others do: prolongued exposure to 3D, about more then a one hour mark, causes headaches and migranes. Some even experience a similiar case of motion sickness. I never heard of a single case of people who got sick and migranes from mere exposure from mild levels of film sound or colour photography. I mean, if they had discovered back then that if they added sound or colour to movies and it had caused an overwhleming medical problems to many people in the audience, they would had called it off. But it didn't, it was a pacific process the human eye and mind can process without problem. But 3D is not so simple. and should people like me start to get alienated from watching movies in a theater because of the new technological toy? How fair is that?
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Jun 17, 2010 1:55:44 AM CDT
I CHALLENGE THE AICN WRITERS TO TALKBACK MORE OFTEN
by stereotypical evil archer
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There's a certain irony in a movie made in 3D that is tells a story that has to be mostly darkly lit spaces to be effective. With so much dark places, it kidna defeats the porpose of extented depth of field provided by 3D, because there's nothing to register, hem? Am I the only one seeing the irony in this?I don't think that Ridley Scott was saying the movie will be darker, but only that 3D needs ever more over-exposure to be shot efectivelly, which means filmamkers will have to rely even more then do now on post-production colour grading to have darker areas on the frame. Until recently, many things could be achieved even oncamera while shooting. but seems 3D is taking that openion out of filmamking, and everythign will have to be dealt in post-production. which means movie will be more expensive to produce. The 3D filmmking technicques are already more expensive then normal filming. Post will also be more expensive. Movies will now cost more to produce. And they aren't exactly cheap as they are. And you know who will resent that later? We the audiences, who will have to fork the bill with more expensive tickets and DVD/blu-rays. Because nobody is doing 3D out of charity, it's all profit seeking business.
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Friend who operates sent me this... he told me "yes he looks through the view finder and has a basic knowledge of lighting... but fool yourself about him DPing."
They wouldn't let him camera operate on Blade Runner... so he chose Jordan.
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*but don't fool yourself about him DPing... ie Ridley's not doing all the heavy lifting.
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3D. I have never seen a film in 3D, mostly because I dont live anywhere near a 3D equipped theatre That and Im too lazy a cunt to go find one. But heres the simple thing, so long as movies come out in both and we have the choice to choose to see a film in either, then I dont see what the big deal is. And also, thanks to so much piracy, The film industry unfortunatly needs something like 3D to not go the way of the music industry. And I can see its use for certain types if films. But really its all choice, and many people do like it, who am I to say they are wrong?
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How To Train Your Dragon for one.
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Ridders has more talent in his left testicle than all the directors in Hollyweird. Cameron wishes he had Ridley's class and brains.
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If Ridley embraces the bizarre we'll be good, I'd like to see an alien homeworld that's so strange we have a hard time figuring out what the fuck we're looking at. Lovecraft with a touch of Lynch.
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is the best horror movie ever created. Go 3d I don't mind, but dont fucking overdo it with action cause thats what made the first a beauty. pure and simple brilliance. action when needed, nothing more
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I'd rather see a non-Ridley film with Sigourney in it than a Ridley film with no-names. I don't give a shit about exposing the mythology of the first film. A large part of its appeal is the mystery.
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Geeks really need to rein in their unbridled love for Scott. Sure, we love Scott he deserves deep respect for Alien and Blade Runner and to a lesser extent, the unrealized potential of Legend. But that's all he had in him, and he has nothing else to give.(btw Gladiator was a decent popcorn movie, but it was also totally generic, and hung together entirely on Russel Crow's typically strong performance) Scott was once quite visionary, but now he's totally pedestrian. Lets recall that even Blade Runner was cocked up in the original edit.
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If Ridley thinks 3D is not different from 2D, he's in for a big surprise. Think about how Scott shoots his 'epic battle scenes'(tm). All those tight close ups and handheld camera work. That shit DOES NOT work in 3D.
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useing the mocap tech, and the 3D camera invented/developed by Cameron. And it was seeing Avatar that inspired Scott to make another sci-fi film. Interesting that its the "far less talented, and clever guy" thats influencing, and being followed by "Ridders"
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just in totally different ways imho....
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the xenomorphs should stay just that, a mystery. De-mystifying Vader was probably the biggest mistake the PT made....
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This line amuses me. it's from Rob Roy.
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Jun 17, 2010 9:55:31 AM CDT
You guys are too precious about the Space Jockey
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
Oh no, don't de-mystify our beloved space jockey! Get a fucking grip. The SJ was just a prop. Its purpose was to show this was aqn extraterrestial ship and give us a clue about what would happen to Kane later (the hole in its chest). If you don't want to know anything else about the SJ, don't watch these prequels. Simple as that.
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Jun 17, 2010 9:55:42 AM CDT
Convert the Lumiere Bros Train Arraving at Station to 3D!!!
by ricarleite2
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He should do a Star Wars re-boot for adults. Make it serious and scary.
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So, if i understand your point, today's 3D is like cinemarama of the 50s, when Holywood studios invested in a huge screen format to awe audiences back in theaters and prevent them to turn to their TV screens. 3D as a counter-reaction to an exodus of potential audiences away from the theaters.Well, still the fact remains that nobody ever got medical problems caused by cinemarama, nobody ever sufffered a sthendal syndrome type thing for watching Ben Hur or The Ten Commandments. I got a migrane and eyeache watching AVATAR.You say that as long there's a choice, then everythign is OK. Yes, for now, while we still have the option.
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I'd dig that. I really would.
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Look at how terrible the wolfman is. That's benicio with latex and arm extensions and it's just shit. We're talking human anatomy cannot be hidden. Digital can do everything better. It's called use the same restaint you would use if trying to make a condom covered shitty rubber suit look good. Need more detail? Tell the artists to sculpt everything with HD geometry maps. You'll drive that camera in macro over that alien and you won't see latex dust and crap.
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Make up and animatronics are still the way to go, and CGI should assist, not replace.
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... in in THE WOLFMAN is CGI. So, my friend UltraTron, you just shot your own argument down.
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jump on Quatrich in that amp suit. He could have ripped it's second mouth out while acid burns through the cockpit. The amp suit wouldn't survive killing one in close quarters.
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Nonsnese. The best shots in the movie were done without CGI whatsoever, and those were about the super lovely Emily Blunt. But really, the make up stuff was pretty good in THE WOLFMAN, and many CGI stuff was dodgy.
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No matter the size or shape of the frame, wearing another pair of glasses on top of my own is always uncomfortable.And Scott stated himself that directors work in three dimensions already when determining lenses and composition, lighting and use of depth of field. Look at the dramatic effect that Welles acheived with Kane 70 years ago, using those techniques. I agree that 3D is not a tool like CGI (expanding sets, creature creation, etc.), but a gimmick just as it was in the '50s, when movies had to contend with that new fangled thing called television. Now that televisions havwe attained the cinema at home experience with HD and 60 inch + screens, and now 3D, studios are getting nervous.
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such as in Blade 2 which used a combination of make-up and CGI, it was VERY effective.
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It seems that the people complaining about 3D the most are those with personal hindrances to enjoying it, which means squat to the millions who can enjoy 3D unencumbered. Same with migraines/ eye strain - this is bullshit. Polarised 3D glasses should not be giving anyone headaches; they're designed not to. If they do, you should see an eye specialist or a doctor. As I said, millions of people around the globe have enjoyed 3D without any side effects whatsoever, so the problem may just lie with YOU. And if you cannot enjoy 3D, then avoid it and see a 2D showing. Aversion to 3D based on your own medical problems is no convincing auspice for grouchingly dismissing the technology - and it most certainly is an artistic tool in the right hands despite what others have claimed - and for speaking for the rest of the population.
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I'll gladly spend thousands for lasik, just so I can enjoy masterpieces like Journey To The Center Of The Earth and My Bloody Valentine just like the rest of you 20/20'ers. What I'm arguing is that 3D adds nothing to the movie going experience beyond the "ohh-ahh" factor. If a movie sucks (I'm looking at you Clash Of The Titans), it sucks in any dimension. 3D didn't make it a better movie in any way shape or form. But it did put butts in seats, which is all the studio cares about.Yes, I did see Avatar, and again, despite the "ohh-ahh" factor, 3D didn't improve Cameron's dialogue, or Worthington's acting.
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"This is the man who gave us Blade Runner, a film Christopher Nolan has seen "hundreds and hundreds of times" "because of the detail". And your plan is to NOT watch a 3D movie made by this person? Good Luck." Excellent TDK reference!
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Jun 17, 2010 1:35:29 PM CDT
"I'm arguing is that 3D adds nothing to the movie going experien
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Well, you're wrong - and remarkably short-sighted (pardon the pun). What you wrote about Citizen Kane actually MAKES the case for 3D - Welles' concept of depth in the frame would actually be enhanced by 3D and would allow for even more compositional tricks to be put into effect. 3D is something that can directly affect the grammar of cinematic language -it's got nothing to do with 'ooh-ahh". I didn't see Avatar pulling any 'poke you in the eye nonsense', did you? Instead I saw Cameron using greater or lesser depth perception to support the framing - be that tight knit spatial composition in cockpits for claustrophobia or wider separation for vistas, to expound on but one application. And it helped greatly with the immersion into that world. Stop obfuscating the argument with asides into red herrings such as 'dialogue' (which no matter the quality has nothing to do with the image of film as a visual medium). Other directors are increasingly going to use it as a narrative tool,in remarakbly subtle ways, depending on the paticular aspirations or content of whatever piece of material they are using it for. A great painter knows how an audience will percieve his brushstrokes from ten feet away; a cinematic master will know how an audience percieves his framing and use 3D to exploit that. It simply opens up the possibilities for an audience to assimilate a movie, both on a general level of 'mood' and ambience, but also as far as the specifics of that basis of cinematic communication - the frame.
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I will agree with you that Cameron understood the artistic enhancements that 3D added to Avatar, although viewing it in 2D didn't detract from enjoying it either. I also greatly enjoyed Up and the use of 3D used in that film. Viewing them on CD (as I did Avatar) in 2D didn't make me like the movie any less. A good movie is a good movie.Your second paragraph is very hopeful, and I hope your prediction is accurate. I just think we'll see at lot of schlock and unnecesary (sp) use of 3D until what you describe is acheived (as in Piranha...3D).
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..d'oh.
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"[The film] is about the discussion of terraforming -- taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life,"
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Where you one of those convinced that pacemakers, elevators and airplaines would stop working at midnight Y2K? Just curious.
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Unless you want to appear like a retard in comparison. The man knows how to light a fucking set and which lenses to use. Sheesh.
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I was hunkered in my basement on New Year's Eve 1999, sequestered with a six month supply of food and water, and a shotgun.Jokes aside, my points about 3D still stand.
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The terraforming aspect will be just background stuff. Interesting but not the meat of the movie. Remember Aliens also dealt with terraforming, but you wouldn't say its a film about terraforming, would you? Listening to Ridley Scott this is going to be a "hard" SF film with aliens. As long as they have a watertight script it will be incredible on every level.
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The terraforming aspect will be just background stuff. Interesting but not the meat of the movie. Remember Aliens also dealt with terraforming, but you wouldn't say its a film about terraforming, would you? Listening to Ridley Scott this is going to be a "hard" SF film with aliens. As long as they have a watertight script it will be incredible on every level.
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Damn iphone.
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With the kindly space jockeys colonising planets with their space ants and gay sex. Or was that Alien Harvest script a fake?
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God forbid that alien harvest script was genuine.
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Remains to be seen. I predict it will stick for cartoons (actually already has for a few years now), documentaries and maybe sports. For live action, mainstream will jump off the bandwagon after realising that the added value is not worth the investment and energy, and it will return to it's status of novelty trick for movies like Spacehunter reboots and such. People will have it on their TV sets but will turn it off, like everybody turned off the Dolby noise reduction function on their tape decks.
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Set 30 years before Indy set off in search of the ark. Only it doesn't Involve Indiana Jones, Sallah, Marian, or Marcus at all. Instead, it involves that black sailboat captain. Now...why the fuck do I care about that?
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Jun 17, 2010 4:15:35 PM CDT
kolchak you're comparing apples with oranges
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
The characters were integral to Raiders. The characters made the film and the franchise. Alien is driven by ideas, concepts, environments. You don't need the crew of the Nostramo to make a good Alien film. The Nostramo crew is interchangeable with any crew. It's crazy comparing the Indiana Jones franchise with the Alien franchise.
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The alien franchise wouldn't be a franchise if it weren't for Weaver in the role of Ripley. We wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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Personally, I'm more concerned about how good the script and concept will be rather than the visuals. I think it's pretty safe to say that this film will look great - 3D or not - but as great as he is, Sir Ridley can't write a damn, so if the script is flawed, the film will be as well. Jon Spaihts script for 'Passengers' is rather good, and looks at people leaving Earth for alien worlds, so you can see why he was chosen. I just don't know how he'll handle the xenomorphs.
But while we're on the subject of 3D... I am not a fan. For me, 3D is just a superfluous addition and is being enforced by the studios so they can charge us even more money and try to counter piracy. Unfortunately, the public have spoken with their wallets, so we can look forward to even more films with weak scripts (Alice in Wonderland) but with the added bonus of random objects being thrown towards the screen.
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Jun 17, 2010 5:07:22 PM CDT
kolchak, Ripley wasn't even going to be in the sequel
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
Until James Cameron came aboard and made Aliens specifically about Ripley, there were no plans for Weaver to return in the sequel to Alien. Ditto Alien 3. The first few scripts commissioned for Alien 3 didn't even feature Ripley (or she had a very small i nsignificant role). Ripley became the recognisable face of the Alien franchise, but Weaver is nowhere near as important as Harrison Ford is to Indiana Jones.
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Thanks for that! ...I very much enjoyed reading that interview Quint. :)
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If you sit too close or too far to either side of the viewing angle it can strain your eyes over a period of time. I've sat right in the middle/center of the cinima, have never had a headache & have always had a great 3D experience...
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"Personally, I'm more concerned about how good the script and concept will be rather than the visuals. I think it's pretty safe to say that this film will look great - 3D or not - but as great as he is, Sir Ridley can't write a damn, so if the script is flawed, the film will be as well. Jon Spaihts script for 'Passengers' is rather good, and looks at people leaving Earth for alien worlds, so you can see why he was chosen. I just don't know how he'll handle the xenomorphs."I haven't read his PASSENGERS script yet, but Spaihts also wrote something pretty awesome called SHADOW 19. Any Aliens fans out there that haven't read Shadow 19 yet, drop what you are doing, head over to this link, download this beast, and give it a read:http://tiny.cc/s3hasThe funny thing is, they could actually use Shadow 19 as a template and rework it a bit and use it as an Alien film. The alien planet in Shadow 19 could actually be the xenomorph homeworld if they wanted to go that route. Sure it would be sorta of a reboot of the series, and more in tune with the action/horror/sci-fi trifecta of Aliens than the slower horror/suspense of Alien, but damn if it wouldn't make a pretty good Alien film.Another idea I always liked, was an Aliens film that sort of showed a colony being slowly taken over by the xenos. Not unlike what happened to Hadley's Hope on Acheron before Ripley and the marines arrived. Now, I'm not saying do an Aliens prequel about that colony, but take the basic idea and run with it on a different colony world with all new characters. I suppose I could see Ridley going that route with these prequels, considering he is talking about the terraforming aspect.What I really wonder about is, will he stick to one alien, or will he have multiple aliens? Stick with one and go the horror route like Alien and Alien 3, but we've already seen that, and frankly, Alien 3 wasn't all that scary. Although, if he goes with multiple aliens, then does it go more the action route that Aliens and Alien Resurrection took? I think if he had multiple aliens, but didn't get carried away with the action, then there could be a nice blend of horror and action, where one element doesn't overtake the other one. It would be quite the job to balance those two elements through two films. If I were doing these two films, I'd go for mystery and horror for the first, and then keep that for the second film while adding a little action and spectacle to boot.
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You are right, the latest 3D fad is a new frontier, & with new technology comes a whole lot of new aspects to troubleshoot. Problems like lighting is specific for a 3D movie due to the polar glasses, so if the film is graded specifically for 3D it may not work for the 2D version. If the new industry standard means they have to over expose & do post production colour grading in two different ways to achieve separate 2D & 3D results, then so be it. pffft extra cost, over time as the technology ages shouldn't processes become streamlined & quicker?? The movie industry needs to set stardards right for production of a 3D specific movie taking into consideration the lumins being filtered out by the polar glasses. It's a learning curve for all directors. I do not honestly care what process the filmaker has to go through to get the brightness right for 3D, as long as it works with the polar glasses. I would actually prefer the shutter style glasses (like the Nvidia glasses) to become the standard, as that would mean the audience can see the full extent of Lumins projected, & would probably mean less messing around with post production etc. My only issue would be to make the glasses larger, The modern looking narrow slit style to make them look fashionable is lame. Make them big & move the frame further away from our range of sight, that will help with the illusion of 3D. We all sit in the dark anyway. Let the emo kids be self conscious & have the option for the narrow slit glasses. (& no I do not mind the weight & can actually forget Im wearing them for the 2 hours).
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Even my 11 year old thinks it's stupid, and HATES wearing the glasses. He says that it "messes with the picture", and he's goddamned fucking right. I cannot fathom why they are ramming this shit down our throats, and ruining the movie experience for a lot of people. Pisses me right the fuck off.
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My god...it's almost unbearable around here. He's a great director but frankly none of his films come close to any of Scotts masterpieces.
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but lately I seem to gravitate more towards Aliens when looking for an Alien fill. I won't say it's superior but if it's not it's close. The shot of the aliens crawling through the ceiling and the shot of the Alien risiing out of the water in front of Newt are about as shocking and suspenseful as anything in Alien.
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Absolutly, i completly agree with you. and yours is my point exactly. CGI should assist. You give a good example with BLADE 2, but i think in PAN'S LABYRINTH it was even better, that merge of the two techniques. My point of contention is just i find anoying whenthey only use CGI and nothing else. There's things which only CGI can effectivelly deliver, no arguing that, but it upsets me and i find a waste when CGI is used in things where make up, models and animatronic can work much, much better. Some filmmakers are expert in marring the two techniques, the traditionals and the CGI, to great effect. but unfortunatly, what we have seen latelly is a tremendous unballance in favour of CGI only. And that's not right, the way i see it.
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Christopher Nolan would agree with you.
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But if 3D cames, if not the norm at least very familiar, then everybody who goes watching movies will now look like dorks. And really, this need for the glasses is what kills me about 3D. I mean, you go watch a normal movie, and all you need is a pair of eyes and hearing (aparently, not evne brainis needed anymore, courtesy of most hack filmmakers working in Hollywood). But o watch a 3D movie, i need an aparatus put to my face, pay more for the privilege, and two or 3 tablets of aspirins. Can you guess why i'm weary of 3D, friend?
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scenes you mention are indeed killer....
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I agree with all your comments about 3D. When I saw Avatar I took my glasses OFF at around the hour mark and it did not make much difference to my viewing experience of the film. I noticed that quite a few other people had done the same. Most people I've spoken to have said they preferred Avatar in 2D than in 3D. Eye strain and headaches are a common occurrence with 3D. People have told me how they've seen images floating in front of them hours after they've seen a 3D film. I believe it is only a matter of time before we get a 3D "backlash" as far as movies are concerned. As you said, people are getting tired of paying $4 more for the privilege of taking asprin.
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Jun 18, 2010 4:05:29 AM CDT
"Eye strain and headaches are a common occurrence with 3D."
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Absolute crap. I don't know a single person who's ever had any such issue with 3D. Far be it from me to have my duty to be the cheerleader for 3D, but people really need to stop spreading misinformation and downright lies about the format (modern 3D that is, not the old anaglyph crap which could indeed cause irritation to your vision). You don't like 3D; fine. Just stop with the nonsense. Ditto all the 'wearing glasses is stupid' stuff, which again most have no problem wih. For fuck's sake, that's like idiots who work out at the gym wearing skin tight lycra instead of sweats, in an effort to look cool.
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Jun 18, 2010 4:10:33 AM CDT
Umbral Shadow - if you had taken your glasses
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
off for the entire second hour of Avatar you would have been watching nothing but a blur on the screen - since that is what it looked in most scenes if you took the glasses off. Are you honestly telling us you sat their sans glasses for a hour and a half and watched the film quite happily unimpeded like a regular movie? If so, I call bullshit.
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Christ on bike -
It's fucking simple - if you don't like 3d, watch the 2D version. And if they don't have a 2D version, doesn't it register for you that the studios don't give a shit for the poket money you're prepared to part with to see movies these days? -
Just to give myself a "breather" from the 3D. The image was out of focus, but I could still make out enough to follow the film adequately. And I assure you quite a number of people were doing the same - taking their glasses off for 10 minute periods, putting them back on, taking them off again...you get the picture (pun intended). As for headaches and eyestrains, enough people have mentioned it - including AsimovLives, who is certainly intelligent, thoughtful and no "bullshitter".
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NOBODY - but NOBODY with any influence in the movie industry reads talkbacks etc to see what they should be doing, so if you really hate 3D, you really are screwed, because the PUBLIC (ie the vast mass of movie goers from where all the real revenue comes) lap up 3D like, well, like a completely lappy thing.
Hey, wait - aw, don't do that - why d'you have to cry? There there... -
peat myself, so long as you have the choice to watch the film in 2D, then what the fuck is the issue? Many, many people I know (especially teenagers, maybe it s a generation thing) love 3D. And so long as anyone is prepared to pay for it (and last time I checked no-one is holding a gun to anyone's head) then whats the problem? Geez, its like all the people that buy expensive cars, do they NEED them? Do they NEED all the bells and whistles? Probably not, but if you re willing to pay for it then thats your choice, while others are most welcome to buy whatever simple car they want (sorry, I know this is nt the greatest analogy, but 8its late and Im tired)....
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No, people of importance don't read the AICN talkbacks. They just have underlings they like to treat like payed slaves to do that for them.I do believe that the Holylwood studios monitor AICN, but not to take seriously what we say, but more as test ground for rumours and cast decisions. We are just one of the guinee pigs they use to market test their movies.
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As far i can tell, you don't need a particular extra contraption and a certainy type of physionomy to be able to drive expensive cars. mostly, all you need is the money to afford them. 3D, however, is proving to not be as an easy thing to implement as initially though. mostly, people have been concerned with the technology proper, and AVATAR proves that there has been made pretty good strides foward. That's the good news. The other good news is that it was Cameron helping advance it, and he thankfully used it in a movie where he was enough to try to not overwhelm, he showed great restrain in it's presentation. and still,a nd this is where the bad news came in, people like me found it a disconfortable experience. I had eye strain and migranes. One hour in and i started removing the glasses for shortwhiles. I ended up with a migrane at the end of the show. And i'm not the only one. This is not being a luddite, this is reality. Many people just found the 3D experience tiring and exausting and not rewarding. I rewatched AVATAR in 2D recently on a homevideo system, and the movie was easier to watch. You can say "then just chose". Wel, thing is, it's not that simple. Maybe you guys in Korea and USa can have the luxery of choice, but in smaller countries, they can't have that luxery. Distributors will go for the most audience catchy thing, and that is, if the movie was made in a 3D version, they will go with it. Becasue it's the new thing that makes everybody talk. And thus, i had no choice. My choice was to watch it projected digital or not. Same thing with CLASH OF THE TITANS, it only came in 3D. I had no choice. And i watched two movies where made me a more regular client of Bayer Aspirin.
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I'll be back at you. But allow me to say just this for now: you are starting to get out of line. you just basically called liars to everybody who have reported suffering from migranes and eye strain form watching a 3D movie. It happened to me with AVATAR and CLASH OF THE TITANS. It hapened. So, you now know at least ONE PERSON WHERE IT HAPPENED. Take that into consideration. Later i'll talk and elaborater more about the points you raised.
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I've spoken to several people who have reported seeing images floating in front of them after they've watched a 3D film. Imagine you are driving home from the theater and this happens to you - there is a chance of an accident. This isn't hyperbole, we're talking about a technology which is distorting your eyesight in a way that nature did not intend.
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If this has been mentioned above or not, but is it possible that Ridley Scott is doing a story about the place the Nostromo was coming from with it's mining shipment? According to Wikipedia, it was a place/planet called Thedus. Was that one of the first colonies of the Earth in the ALIEN universe? Were they terraforming the planet and making good use of the minerals they were digging up? And were they the ones that encountered the Space Jockey and the aliens before Ripley and crew ever came along, and just hid it. Or maybe they even warned the company about LV-426 which caused them to send Dallas and crew becaused they wanted the species for there bio weapons division. What do you guys think?
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Michael Meyers wasn't supposed to be in any Halloween movies after Halloween 2, either. But he was.
Without a character the audience identifies with and likes to REACT to the aliens with them, the aliens are boring.
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Well, when PREDATOR 2 was made, Arnold was in his comedian phase, dealing with tykes, getting a twin and getting pregnant and all that shit. He wanted distance from his former predator buddy. You could consider it a divorce.
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Hindsight is 20/20.
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Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were relative critical and commercial failures compared to the first two films. And they had Ripley. So the audience didn't "come back" for Ripley. The alien itself is the "star" of the franchise. The creature is the big draw.
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I'd rather go to bed with Ripley then with the alien, though. Less pointy things!
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Quint, you start lecturing Ridley Scott about how everyone knows the plot of a movie before the movie even comes out and he says, "YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S DOING IT!"
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Modern 3D? Polarised was around during the 50s. Misinformation works both ways, you know.
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Tell me about it! Ripley in the 1979 film is all kinds of hot! The last scene with her in white underwear was sexier than Carrie Fisher in the gold bikini.
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You said it, brother.
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Polarised wasn't widely used in the 50's; anaglyph was. I never said anything about its date of invention but about its prominence as the most widely used 3D format. And even polarised has come a long way. Compare the quality of T2 3D at universal studios, which also used polarised glasses back in 1996, compared to Avatar. Stop sidetracking the argument with red herrings. 3D is here to stay. Deal with it.
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Jun 18, 2010 2:17:34 PM CDT
That should be 'most widely used format currently'
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
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Jun 18, 2010 2:20:03 PM CDT
"Also, there is a serious safety concern with 3D"
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Chicken little, are you going to continue telling us that the sky is falling?
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Jun 18, 2010 2:25:26 PM CDT
I once almost killed a man after viewing a 3D movie
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
I saw him in double vision and this convinced me he was one of the Illuminati. I reached for my handgun but the theatre management restrained me just in time. I'm still convinced he was one of the lizard people.I tell you - John Carpenter was on to something when he made 'They Live'. Maybe these new fangled 3D 'specs can inadvertently reveal the true identity of the ruling class. I shall wear my free pair of Real D glasses tomorrow when I go out and report back on the results.
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"Admittedly Avatar was a supreme example of the correct and immersive use of 3D and all the other films since, that you rightly complain about, have been conversions so the jury is out until we see another purpose shot 3D film in the hands of a proper director."I 100% agree, and that is exactly what I've been championing here, although others have tried to blur distinctions between my points. I am no fan of the mediocre-to-shitty 3D as witnessed in Alice in Wonderland or Clash of the Titans, but rest assured the amount of A-list directors that are trying their hand at this, not to mention even some art house guys, will certainly yield interesting nay conclusive results about 3D's artistic viability. It's not all cash-grab conversion jobs in 3D land, and that kind of stuff will be ironed out in due course. Now as far as studios, distinct from filmmakers, pursuing 3D to make profit and block piracy, that is another matter (although Avatar, the biggest grossing movie of all time is also the most pirated too; so noc igar for them there). Of course the suits are interested in 3D for these reasons. Nothing to do with 3D as a viable cinematic tool and storytelling device in the hands of the directors themselves, though.
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I did not call you a liar. That's you putting words in my mouth. I said you should see an eye specialist, and I meant that sincerely. There may be a small proportion of the population that have an adverse reaction to 3D based on their gentics or if you have a history of problems with your eyesight or vision. However, the reports of 3D inducing these effects are widely exagerrated usely by bullshit artists who don't know what they are talking about - as was mentioned earlier, similar to those who crowed about the Y2K bug. As we can see with people like Umbral_Shadow trying to whip up hysteria about 3D causing car accidents and hogwash about 'manipulating the eye in ways that nature never intended' - surely the kind of person that would have told the Wright brothers that if 'man was intended to fly, God would have given him wings'. Just as there are a lot of trolls spouting utter crap about movies, there were also self same trolls bleating about the adverse effects of 3D long before they had experienced, and as we have found out, to the majority of people that is not the case, or you would certainly have heard an uproar about it in the media and online. Most people can handle 3D just fine.As for Clash of the Titans, I'm not surprised that that piece of shit wa smore proactive in engendering an adverse reaction from you, since it was an appalingly greedy and sloppy conversion made in a matter of weeks. Almost unwatchable, in fact. That shit would irritate even those with perfect eyesight and little proliclivity to headaches.
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It's even from an Avatar fan website:
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/3ddirectory01.shtml
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From Wikipedia:
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Polarized stereoscopic pictures have been around since 1936, when Edwin H. Land first applied it to motion pictures. The so called "3-D movie craze" in the years 1952 through 1955 was almost entirely offered in theaters using polarizing projection and glasses. Only a minute amount of the total 3D films shown in the period used the anaglyph color filter method.
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I'm a big enough man to admit that I was wrong about the widespread use of polarised 3D during the 50's boom, but my point still stands; as the article outlines, the screening technology back the was garbage. It is a combination of all these factors that determine if 3D is a pleasant experience or not. That demarcation of screening technology is now in place - hence 'modern' 3D polarised technology, as we now commonly enjoy. Audiences in the 50's were not having the same standard of experience as contemporary viewers, hence why the 3D bubble deflated back then. The glasses themselves don't mean shit - it's the combinbation of projection and screening all working in tandem that determines the quality.
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on the effects of 3D, as its a new technology on this scale. I maintain - this technology could effect the eyeball of CERTAIN individuals in ways that have not been anticipated. Everyone laughed when a handfull of people said smoking was affecting people's lungs in the 1960s. We know better now. It will take only one car crash, only one fatality, and every health and safety organisation will be all over 3D. This is not hysteria. If and when it happens it WILL be all over the news.
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Being sensitive to 3D and it causing migranes has nothing to do with my eyes. My eyes are fine. It's a problem to do with visual acuty, and that's the brain that does it. Bascially, 3D taxes the brains of many people and fucks up with our visual acuty. The film mediumitself is an exploitation of a human brain phenomenum called the persistence of vision. It's why we perceived a sucession of still images shown at 24 frames per second as movement, when in fact it's not. It's exclusively human. there's animals which don't have it and for them movies are a collection of still images passing rapidely one after the other without any sense of perceived motion about them.So, to watch a movie is to have the brain fooled into see movement where there's none. And this 3D stuff, which in fact it's not real 3d but again another exploitation of an artificial created illusion whihc plays together with another illusion of movement. 3D makes the brain falsely perceive two illusions. Anmd it taxes it. and ironically, i beleive it taxes the most the people with good visual accuty, because they can perceive better the illusions played on it. OPeo+ple with lesser visual acuty will be fooled better and the brain will be lagly unaware. Better visual accuty means better perception, and this means the brain not only observes and perceives the illusion, but it will also try to understand and deconstructs, and this tazes the brain, it makes it overwork. Thus, it creates migranes. Thus, and because the eyes are part interant of the brain, it also creates eye strain, because the brain is focring the eyes to see what is this new stuff that is happening that is not making too much sense. It's liek being in perpectual alert, to see where thios threath is coming from, consciously, i know there's no threath, but unconsciously, where the wiring of the brain is, it's reacting to a this "invisible" stimulae that we as humans do not an instinctual library to react upon.This is my take on it, and one of the many reasons why people like me find whating 3d in prolongued intervals of time taxing and distressing and even hurtful.And elast we forget, it's aslo documented that some people have their depth perception fucked up after experience 3D for a prolongued time. And also don't forget, many people, like me, also experienced, after watching 3D, this sense of that you are like seeing things underwater. It only lasted for a few minutes after the movie finished, but it was there. And it's not fun. Frankly, for me, 3d is not fun. In fact, it's robbing me the fun of watching movies. It's as what umbral_shadow said, it's like paying for the previlege of taking aspirins.So, you can't deny this, for many people, like me, 3D is not a blessing, it's a curse. This is not me being a luddite because it's cool to bitch about a new technology. 3D causes really disconfort and robs me of my most important reason to watch movies: to have fun. Migranes are not fun!
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Actually, CLASH OF THE TITANS didnt caused me as much problems because of one single reason: the movie was thankfully much shorter. Though the 3d in it was abysmal to say the least. The fucking story didn't helped either. Though i have to say, the floating hair was hysterical.But the fact remains, both in AVATAR and CLASH, by the one hour mark, i removed the glasses for the first time, adn then i did it in a sucession of 10 to fifteen minutes. I even spent like 2 to 5 minutes without the glasses to give the eyes (and brain) a rest. I rather spent some time watchign a blurrer version of the movie so i gould give my eyes a breeder. It was ratehr that then constantly straining my eyes for 2+ hours non-stop.
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The audience didn't "come back" for the creature either, did they?
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This has NOTHING to do with visual "acuty" or "accuty" (the word is "ACUITY" you NIMROD) I'm sorry, but your brain is not operating better than the rest of ours... you aren't special. It has nothing to do with "Visual acuity", it is simply your brain not being ABLE TO ADJUST to the images presented to you in 3D. So actually, your brain is INFERIOR to ours, if anything... lol So please, just stop your bitching. 3D is fine (at least in Cameron's hands...) ;-) and what, are you gonna blame your NUMEROUS SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS on the 3D too?? Fuck.
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Say acuity in portuguese, bitch. Say it, if you are going to go grammar nazi on a foreigner, i go on you too! Or else, fuck off with your precious english teacher attitude. I'd welcome the chance to learn the correct pronunciation, if not for your dumb stupid attitude. So go screw yourself. Fuck you. Was that proper english enough for you? Fucking ass!
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"Then just go and see the 2D versions"I would if i could, but in here, they only showed AVATAR and CLASH OF TITANS in 3D. And i only got to know that 3D caused me problems after i watched them movies. I couldn't know beforehand that it could do that to me, could I? And if my problem was caused just by one movie, just by AVATAR, then it would had been a single freak event. But CLASH OF THE TITANS did it too for me, which means, even despiste the different techniques involved, it's the 3D itself that causes migranes and eye strain. Now how they achieve it, but the thing itself. Really, fdude, you should had though this before even botrhering posting.And AVATAR does work without 3D. I even say it works better without the 3D. For starters, it doesn't give me a migrane by just watching. If the movie had never been made for 3D, nobody would be none the wiser, and this is a compliment. Thjere's no denying that technically, AVATAR is a great achievement and Cameron still knows how to produce a movie better then most hacks now labeled as "great action directors", like Mickey Bay and the JJ Abrams salesman. There's still the fucking score by James Horner to contend with, though, but that's another matter. And CLASH OF THE TITANS definatly works better without 3D. But it still sucks!
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Jun 19, 2010 7:15:54 AM CDT
And i'll say this: it was not the 3D that made the story resonat
by asimovlives
It was the story itself, and how well Cameron executed it. In the end, people connected to the story and to the message that Cameron put and presented. The 3D helped gave visual spectacle, but to say it was the most important motivator in making people react very positively to the the story is a bit insulting to the audience's intelligence. In the end, people resonate with the story. 3D and all the special effects facilitate, but they are not the end itself. If they ever are, then the movie will be a souless piece of crap like all special effects only motivated movies are, like 2012 or Bayformers and trash like that. People can bash and criticise Cameron for his stories, for it's simplicity and for his undeveloped characters, but still Cameron always takes pains to put the story first, and SFX and other technical achievements as facilitators. Always Cameron speaks about SFX helping telling the story, and his movies do show that. AVATAR is no different. but Cameron was wise enough to make a movei that would work without the 3D too. That was very wise of him. And it's why he's James Cameron and not Michael Bay or JJ Abrams.
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Jun 19, 2010 1:02:54 PM CDT
Wait...so if this is not the Space Jockey story but follows Ripl
by brodiebruce_405
How can it feature Aliens? And if it's humans v. aliens but pre-Ripley, like most prequels there won't be any tension since we know none of them will survive.
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Ridley Scott should do Alien Vs Predator 3: Enter RoboCop VS Terminator instead
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films in both 2D and 3D in Portugal. Korea is also a pretty small country (probably about the same as Portugal), and its a very high tech/up to date with new tech kind of place. But still, I can easily find cinemas that show all 3D films in 2D. I still dont know if 3D would be a problem for me, but I just cant be bothered to search it out. I have nothing against it though....
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Lisbon? And what are your thoughts on Portugal's Soccer team's performance thus far?
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and I do think many people dont get the whole "Avatar" subtext of Avatar. And its clear that Cameron wanted the 3D for a specific purpose. Well I can always give Avatar 2 a go in 3D lol....
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because of the way it is shot in 3D, makes the audience become part of that briefing."Yeah. 'Cause that whole from-the-back-of-the-room perspective just doesn't work without 3D.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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You ready?
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And the lohans can't eat free ice cream anymore at carvel. Their license was revoked!!
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I'm going off on a last ditch effort to find a non-special edition of ALIENS. And a haircut. Definitely needing a haircut. See you in a few hours.
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I'm feeling emotional.
I need a hug.
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They mostly blog at night. Mostly.
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You can still participate you will just be a little in the future
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...and tell me that you love meee ♫♪
I'll impregnate your faaace
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Linda Lovelace vs Face Hugger
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then I saw chefs cooking with geoduck clams (pronuonced "gooey duck").
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Special Edition. 2004.
Directed by George Lucas.
Starring Robert Duvall and Donald Pleasance.A 1971 film, released theatrically in 1977 in the wake of STAR WARS' success, and revised for DVD in 2004, with shitty CGI creatures and a perfected digital sound design, this is a hodge-podge of ice-cold pretension, cribbing some dystopianism from George Orwell, some visual Kubrickness, and some Ayn Randian gobbledygook, and melding it onto a thread-bare escape and chase plot. It's a cult-favored exercise notable, essentially, as visual proof that George Lucas once had artistic ambitions. Shiny, cinematic, ultimately rather dull, artistic ambitions.★★☆☆☆
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...that's midnight East Coast?Oi!
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...what am I, 20 years old?
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Li'l Ace of Wands, throwing around the "twats," the "pricks," and the "fucks," like he's a big boy.Real good advertisement for the kind of cretin attracted to the "mix of art and commerce" that is Cameron.
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...a side goal this week is catching up on sleep, and I don't want to have to sleep till eleven to be back in top fighting shape.
No biggie.
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...if I'm to fight off this infection.
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A film can start at midnight like JAWS dud that one night and I don't intend on watching it... Just a few scenes but there
I am watching the whole damn thing, turning it off when SPOILERS Brody and hooper are swimming to shoreflick you know if you start ALIENS you'll be there to the end -
At the end--just a lil tidbit
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That's what other old people do.
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Ducking in for a sec to say have fun tonight. I'm dragging the kids around the comic con today. Lou Ferrigno will be there! Cool!
Later peebs. -
...I'm a terrible napper. I have a hard time falling asleep...and once I do I'm down for the count.
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...loved the show as a kid.
Just remember he can't hear anything... -
That'll cost you $125.00 to stand in line. If the kids agree to share an autograph, and mom stands off to the side, you can probably get out of there for $200 with a photo.
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And it will lower his photo price
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With your lovely wife fOr free you switch it and toss you and the kids in there. Voilà!!
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...check this out...fourth quote down, right under someone from the L.A. Times...
http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/r_i_p_david_foster_wallace/Content?oid=516187
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in a talkback, and someone stole it for a quote for their website?
weird.
Just checking in. Wife and I are gonna watch ROLE MODELS first. Then she asked why I needed to watch ALIENS at 11. I told her we're all live blogging it. She shook her head and said this was a "geekfest" and wants a divorce.
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LIVE BLOG
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I didn't see a "Bitches leave" from 6DB. That is like my homing beacon.
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One of these days we should do a SimuBlog.
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Goddamnit I forgot
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I told her to be back at 1:30 cause after that bitch queen gets blown out of the god dammed airlock I'm gonna be ready fir love making, REO Speedwagon style!
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...multifaceted...like diamonds.
We're dirty, sensitive, learned, piratical, parental, witty, juvenile, creative, and philosophical...and that's just the tip of the pudenda.
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The "10,000 post" gang (you know who you are) have hijacked this thread, like vultures swooping in to pick over the bones of carrion. There's a resurrected Blade 2 thread for you cunts to play in; why not go there?
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I was watching The Thin Man with my mother. No shit. Goddamn. That would have been fun.
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You're such a silly cunt, yourself. Be elsewhere.
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The marines need ya!!
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15 minutes.
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And Cheeses in a bit.I think Flick was gonna try, too.
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...Central people think they run the damn place. Everyone knows the middle doesn't matter!
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I'll be with you all in spirit. I ♥ Ripley. You guys know I wanted to name my dd that, right? And dh nixed it? He was right, of course... and we gave dd the perfect name... but I still think it would've been awesome-o.
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Jun 19, 2010 10:47:47 PM CDT
...by the way, I think this rerun is my all time favorite...
by flickapoo
...top left corner animation.
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I think that's cute.
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I won't be watching, though. I'm already upstairs in my jammies. No TV in here, and if I go downstairs I'll wake dd. Plus, I'd have to put pants on again. Too tired for THAT shit.
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I suppose I should know what movie that's from, but I don't.
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Dd is Bishop, of course.
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On account of the slobber problem.
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Jun 19, 2010 10:51:36 PM CDT
Gonna try, Sixies, but like I said... won't be watching.
by scarywaitress
No TV access at the moment.
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...rubber jointed animation.
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I hear England tied again? WTF is up with them? They're making Italy Look like go-getters this time around. Shee-it.
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...it's like, game over...man!
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...Italy plays New Zealand tomorrow at 10. I'd forgotten.
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Just waiting for the starting gun.
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Jun 19, 2010 10:58:33 PM CDT
That blade 2 thread...it got two blackboxes from Harry??
by six demon bag
That's pretty funny
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Did he Banhammer Evil Archer yet?Twispy was hanging out there, too.
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Jun 19, 2010 11:00:12 PM CDT
That blade 2 thread...it got two blackboxes from Harry??
by six demon bag
That's pretty funny
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Jun 19, 2010 11:02:18 PM CDT
I forgot how creepy the demon baby thing was
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
in PASSION OF THE CHRIST. And I still say Jim Caziviel is miscast. Gibson shoulda gone with Christian Bale.
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...that's pretty funny. I dig it.
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...from each other. Didn't think ahead.
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Jun 19, 2010 11:04:26 PM CDT
I like how it keeps the technology kinda the same in the beginni
by six demon bag
And the score right here is all goldsmith
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There will be sparks.
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Jun 19, 2010 11:04:56 PM CDT
And here we see the homage to Ridley Scott's set design
by scarywaitress
paired with just a soupcon of Cameron Blue Light... nicely done. A meeting of masters, on screen.
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She still had her 70s hair there...look at that! Good script shit right here in a dream!!! All the details in two minutes.
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"It's in the fukken cat!"
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...I get it now.
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You know you want to Ess
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...foreshadows the motherhood themes later on.
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That cinches it. I'm going to bed. Have fun gents! Catch y'all later.
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Jun 19, 2010 11:11:11 PM CDT
I love that line, Sixies. She delivers it with ICE in her voice
by scarywaitress
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Just totally fuck up the continuity of these
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Jun 19, 2010 11:13:03 PM CDT
...I like that they didn't put the suits in futuristic tin foil.
by flickapoo
...smoking jackets or something.
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I love the fact that it roughly 15 minutes in and you know the WHOLE set up
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He's gonna get all patronizing about her job?
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...player. I'm really impressed with the upconverting on old DVDs.
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And catch up..sulaco!!!
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Jun 19, 2010 11:19:03 PM CDT
...I'm an idiot. I've always been aware of the motherhood...
by flickapoo
...stuff in ALIENS, but I never really thought about the fact that with the whole belly-bursting/impregnating nature of the aliens...that was the perfect way to go for a sequel.
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Another positive attribute--30 seconds and you basically know the personalitys of 15 people.. No back story no nothing.
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...they only had $ to build two pods.looks great.
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...splash a little paint around...maybe a throw pillow or two.
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I love you and hicks the quiet cool
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...for me. Sadly, sometimes I talk too much to pull it off consistently.
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And the design of the sulaco!! It's a big fucking gun in space.
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...until I found , I lived by those words.
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and their sex toys.
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...there was a big bodybuilder black guy sandwiched in behind Sigourney, doing all the real lifting for the loader.
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...so the dildo was pressed up against her ass.
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...past his bedtime.
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Never found my DVD and Best Buy was out of it…I even checked Wal-Mart and Target…nothing…But, I’ve seen it a million times so I’ll follow along…
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Oft imitated now but I think the use here was pretty revolutionary
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Jun 19, 2010 11:35:47 PM CDT
...much better with this as the first reveal of the colony.
by flickapoo
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...on grainy low res monitors...creepy.
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So is subs
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...he's speechless.
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watching for any little thing to move. This was an intense scene. I can't think of very many other times I've been that caught up.
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Nice use of sound.yeah I think I like all the inclusions of the directors cut BUT the big chunk of colony life Before the aliens. Lessens the impact of entering the territory.
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Jun 19, 2010 11:41:36 PM CDT
Flick, I'm just waiting for bits I can make into jokes.
by subtitles_off
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...building suspense.
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Look at the terror on ripleys face!! The beginning of her arc..
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Looking all bug-eyed and frightened.
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They should've nailed him through the wrists, not the palms...
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Jun 19, 2010 11:45:40 PM CDT
Didn't the trailer use the sound of the motion detector
by six demon bag
Oh hi newt!!
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Jun 19, 2010 11:48:13 PM CDT
...whoever disigned that motion detector for the military...
by flickapoo
...should be fired. That sound is specifically designed to cause high blood pressure, cowering in terror, and thumb sucking.
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Bet he's from Alaska
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...a little interview with her...very nice, plain girl...almost a little Mennonite-ish.
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I think her brother was the actor and she just tagged along to the audition. Guess who got the job and who wound up on the cutting room floor
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Is he bad or good? We will see.
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The first bug hunt.. And according to the doc, when hicks enters the hive, it's actor James remar
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Xenomorph pudenda.
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...and the stuff with Ripley on that balcony...shit exploding all around and Bishop showing up in the shuttle...
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I would strongly ask for my ammo back
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...choice. Brings all the SF back home to something recognizable.
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Being traumatized by watching the birth
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...a great job of blowing the lid off.
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...on this tank/troop carrier. This thing would barely clear a speed-bump in a shopping mall parking lot.
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They can bill me
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has a longer penis than you do."
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...a great corporate tool.
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No mention of him meeting at the rendezvous
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...says "yeeeeah..." about being in charge. Odd delivery, but effective and memorable.
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I don’t recall THAT particular quote…???
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...growing up, but my Dad and I were openly laughing our asses off at "now what the fuck are we gonna do?!".
Good memory. -
From frightened to survivalist demi goddess
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...with a flame thrower...I think.
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There are so many ways one could have pushed the Alien story line. Alien 3 just decided not to do this and Alien 4 decided to make into a comic book filled with over the top bull shit. Oh and then there were the two AVP movies which were designed to try and destroy two franchises at once. Thankfully there is still hope but only for so long.
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Yeah I liked that too. But also his response to being called a grunt.
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You think Helen Hunt was still Mad About Paul Reiser after she found out the REAL line of work her husband was in…???
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Jun 20, 2010 12:20:44 AM CDT
Don't worry Alien and Predators fanboys
by captain_americas_cock_shaped_helmet
they will never get tired of milking these franchises and repeatedly shitting on your face over and over again with shitacular reboots and prequels and sequels. So rejoice.
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...you mean the bumhole plumber line of work?
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Thanks guys for telling me about the whole nuking the site bitches
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At each other and bishop volunteers.
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Pony Boy."
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Dwayne is flirting with Ellen
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...I'm impressed by images that tap right into primal fears...crawling through that tunnel...
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In the arc of ripley. Badass. With a gun
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...the sex scene.
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...you sure you can make it a week with just the conch?
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Of this film..there were some alien drones that tried to attack bishop or sniffed him out but realized he wasn't human do they left him alone
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...I'm tapping out, boys.
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That facehugger would be CGI today and half as real
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...the wet underbelly of the facehugger?
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Enjoy the ball game tomorrow, if you wake up in time, old man…
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So 80s sleazy
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Ominous
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But vasquez gets the credit
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Macguyver
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She's trying to pump herself up.
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Her egg making days are Over.
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Had she walked back to the platform and hicks was just lying there on the ground and bishop took off.
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For the last 20+ years. Thanks James horner
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Bishop gave him a shot and he never woke up again. Died in cryo.
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"Scenes involving the Alien queen were the most difficult to film, according to production staff. A life-sized mock-up was created by Stan Winston's company in the United States to see how it would operate. Once the testing was complete, the crew working on the queen flew to England and began work creating the final version. Standing at fourteen feet, it was operated using a mixture of puppeteers, control rods, hydraulics, cables, and a crane above to support it. Two puppeteers were inside the suit operating its arms, and sixteen were required to move it. All sequences involving the queen were filmed in-camera with no post-production manipulation."
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Did people honestly expect that the power loader would be used in the final act?
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They are doing demos inthe back lot and it just looks like shit. Take away the light and have a good editor I suppose
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That principle that 'Lop is always referring to wasn't invented in the mid 80s.
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by the time they got to it, you could be forgiven if you had forgotten it.
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I guess ST let his wife talk him into something else.
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And after such a long day I am suprised I stayed up..a perfect film indeed.
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I totally gained a new respect for the android…He WAS kinda left out to dry at one point…never noticed that before…
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Too many floaters up in here, though.
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Let's set and Jet...Why wait til tomorrow?
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You know I can't stay up much longer anyway.
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Type at you in the AM...
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#45465?
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#45455 is available, too, and, due to the subject matter, that one is less likely to attract bugs.I'll call it in the morning.
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and wiping it all up with Toto, was when I stopped watching...
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if 'Lop or 'nilla show back up tonight, and you guys want to pick the spot, go ahead.I was half-expecting Stabby to stop by to tell us how The Nooge concert turned out, but I'm fading.
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Like Bishop...I'm sure this place is gonna get nuked by floaters from orbit...
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And I'll plant the seed bit then I'm off to bed.
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Jun 20, 2010 1:44:32 AM CDT
What was the thread you and Twispy has marked last week?
by subtitles_off
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Jun 20, 2010 1:47:18 AM CDT
Last week? You know my memory don't do last week...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
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Draw some attention to a little art film.
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We need to leave before the nukes start falling...
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Chillin' my Winter Bone...
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IN SIX DAYS TIME
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WHY WAS ROBIN HOOD SO SHIT? More useful than the bollocks you did ask
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For the tame things I said in the Ready Player One talkback.
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I'm now certain, given the tone of your reply, that you didn't read a fucking work od what i wrote. And i was bering polite and corteous with you. So, what's your problem? Nobody ever teached you etiquette and manners? Daddy and mommy left a big gap in your education? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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I live in Almad,a which is the city right south of Lisboa (Linson in english) right across the River Tagus. As as far i can tell, well, given the result sof other teams, Portugal draw with Ivory Coast is not too bad.And of cours,e tomorrow the 21th it's going to be Portugal-South Korea. So, who will win, my country or your adoptive country? Should be fun.
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Sir, this is the spelling and grammar police, we are going to require that you please remove yourself from the TB. Nice and easy now. BTW what country do you hail from, Asimov? And do you really read Asimov's work? Or are you some PBR drinking neo-hipster wannabe who likes to just reference obscure things?
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glug
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This is the International Grammar Relations consulate speaking, and i'm registing this international incident, and a demand that you write a full post in the portuguese language without any mistakes. And a writing appologise for this needless international incident. An appologise will be accepted, writen in my own language, that is, the portuguese language. Until then, you are relieved of your functions and you have to surrender your gun and badge.Yes, i read Asimov's work, and i admire the man's work. I even rad his book IN ENGLISH. Where you would think i get so much inspiration to love the truly intelligent stuff instead of the so-called "dumb fun"? He was a great master to inspire me to admire the sublime instead of just content with the mud. And if you doubt that, get screwed. Was that english good enough for you to understand? Thank you very much and have a nice day.
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It's always hysterical to see so many americans here assume and take for granted that everybody in the world speaks english, and fluently at that. Must be from watching all those Holylwood bullshit movies which has american heroes in other countries, and there's always a smart educated foreigner, specially a hottie, who can speak the american hero language so that he doesn't need to learn, and thus save himself the trouble of having to be smart, educated, cultured and resourseful and can slouch by speaking his own language and nothing else.The irony of it all is that going by what i can read in her,e the vast majority of americans would fail an english test administred by english language classes abroad. Most americasn here have terrible command of their own native languge, they would flunk miserably. And yet dare go gramamr native on foreigners? What was that word that decribes that type of attitude? Ah, yes, arrogance, that's what it is. I mean,for fuck's sake, most foreigners who learnes engoish would never make the fucks up that your former President Bush did, and you voted for him twice. You must have though he was a great example of the spoken english language, right?
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90% of the 3D I have seen is ANTI-immersive. It only worked for me in HTTYD (which kicked that $prod-porn$ extravanganza [known as] Avatar's ass).
Weaver isn't going to reprise her teeny-weeny-space-suit-bikini shot in 3D and I just don't know how it's going to work.
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Not with your parent,s with your education. And you can have the kettle and the pot and the whole teaware, they all belong to you. Learn some manner and learn to read what the others actually wrote. I didn't disrespected you before, i ask the same courtesy. Too much to ask? You 3D supporters are starting to sound like fanatics.
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Interesting question: was ever there a good prequel that matched or bested the first movie?
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Nope, you haven't read what i have writen, alright. and i'm starting to believe you are doing it deliberatly, so to maintain a point you wish to keep, no matter what. And really, this asshoel version of you that you are showing does not became you. I have seen you better and smarter, so much better and smarter. In fac,t most of the time i even agree with your opinions. I can't say the same about your attitude.And i don't need people to agree with everythign i say. I don't need syncophants, despiste what you say. I'm not Jar Jar Abrams. I always welcome the chance for debate. But i have no pacience or any desire to be kind to assholes and retards. Other then that, i love everybody and i welcome every chace of debate. If anything, the problem always starts with some pussy ass guy who doesn't like some of my coments and start calling names for no good reason other then his thin-skin personality and lack of convictions. i don't deny i'm pasionate about movies, and i'm passionatr about the movies and filmamkers i like, and likewise, to the movies and filmmakers i dislike. and always, always, i have a reason behind my opinions and i'm never coy about telling them. and i'm never coy to point out the bullshit in somebody's argument. Never. If that offends you, though shit, i'm not going to change, that's for sure. Savvy now, friend?Adn you know,the fact i even bother to reply and do this long winded posts you should take them as a sign of respect form me to you. If i though you were some thoughless retard idiot, i wouldn't even bother to fart at you, much less write.
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Jun 20, 2010 3:20:17 PM CDT
Thousand monkeys in 1000 years can't write Shakespeare...
by asimovlives
... but they can write a script for JJ Abrams to film as Star Trek. In fact, he didn't used 1000 monkeys, he just used two, and just for two months. Which is 300,0000 times worst then the result of 1000 monkeys in a thousand years would produce.
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Explain.
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Proud of that too. Why wouldn't i be a fan of that movie? Only retards aren't.
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Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection had shoddy writing, but so did Indiana Jones and the Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. The difference is that the audience DID come back for KOTC (the film made over $700m) because Harrison Ford was the big draw despite the shoddy writing. But they didn't come back for Alien 3 and AR because Ripley was not a big enough draw. If she WAS the main attraction in the Alien films, those films should have done well regardless. So my point stands.
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Stop it.
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On the contrary, sites like this help to ward me off seeing shit films. I WON'T be going to see Predators because from what I've heard of the story it doesn't interest me. Likewise, I avoided Splice because of the negative feedback from TBers. These sites cost studios money from potential revenue, that's why the studios hate them. And there are so few genuinely good films around today compared to 25-30 years ago, spoilage makes little difference. The films that you KNOW will be good - like Inception - I will be avoiding the early reviews and spoilers.
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If you don't like 3D, then don't go see it in 3D.
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About Beowulf, it was the same thing. And beyond the heacheache, it was the aggravation. The aggravation of watching a movie that pretended to be smarter then it really is and which trerats audiences as morons while being so smug about it. I know historical Hollywood movies rarely are very accurate to the times,and fantasy mvoies even feel dedicated to be so, but Beowulf surpassed it beyond any reasonability. to have 9th century vikings speak, think and feel like modern day californians was the last drop for me concerning Robert Zemeckis. guess why i didn't bother with A CHRISTMAS CAROL, the double whammy of more of his 3D bullshit and as a movie made by him. I was driven to watch Avatar because "it was a different technology involved", so they claimed. and because it was James Cameron. And the end result was even worst then Beowulf, bigger headaches and eye strain. But still, at least it was a far better movie then that peice of shit Beowulf. Talk about small mercies.As for Nolan's take on 3D, what he says rings true for me. and i like to know that there is some few filmmakers out trhere who are still resisting making all their movies in 3D and surrending to the new fad. But if Batman 3 ends up anounced as a 3D production, i'll not be suprised, i'll really not. My hope is that in here the distributors willnot go completly mercenaries and find a way to release a non-3D version.And like you, i know the difference between reading one's coments and agreeing with them. Even that we have in common.
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Easy to say when you have a choice. you think all around the world the distributors can afford to show a 3D movie in both versions, 3D and 2D? That's easy to say inc ountries like USA. In smaller countries, the distributors goes with what they feel is where the money is, and with the 3D craze going on, they bet onthe same bet, because they are there to make money, not charity. I had no choice but 3D.
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Another thing that preoccupates me is that i fear most filmmakers will not fully understand and follow the cue that Cameron did with 3D in his movie. And i'm even talking about the big fellas like Ridley Scott and Martin Scorsese. I wouldn't be suprised if the studios woudl force their hands into maming movie "even more spectacular" then Avatar, and by that it means, making it even more obviously 3D.I do admire the restrain that Cameron showed with the use of 3D. For all his lack of subtlery in his script, he showed a lot on the technical side. In his movie, only once he did a shot of pointed things directly at the audiences. It is a remarkable thing, for a movie with a 2 hours 20 minutes running time. Beowulf, on the other hand, was nothing else but shoving pointed things at the direction of the audiences the whole time. Cameron's restrain is admirable. And was completly right for the movie. The thing that givesme the skepticism about the later use of 3D for the upcoming movies is that, unlike Cameron, the other filmmakers have not personally been involved with the developement of this particular technique involved. I don't think they udnerstand it as well as he does, and more important of all, they not undertands the limitations. I think one of the best thing about Avatar was not only what Cameron showed off with his movie, but where he also refrained from. He knew what mistakes to avoid.But now, we ar eina whole ball game. You cna bet there's accountants and studio executives who think they have figured out what to do, they have found their formula to sucess, and they have learned the wrong lessons. It's always like this, some filmamker cames with an original thing or a new approach and makes a hugely sucessful mvoie, the executives think they got the magic formula for isntant sucess and dispense with the very filmmaker which made the movie so sucessful in the first place, thinking they know better now. most 3D stuff made now will be done under the aegis of executives strong-arming the filmmakers to do their biding. And evne though Christopher Nolan knew how to make two sucessful Batman movies and drove one to mega sucess, the studuos will think that thave it figured out, and that the next will be evne mroe sucessful if they shove 3D into it, evenif the very filmmaker who made them thinks and is convinced it's not the right approach. and yet he will be strong armed to do as they will. It alrrweady happeend before, the most recent obvious case was how the studuios strong-armed Sam Raimi to do stuff he didn't wanted to do for SPIDER-MAN 3 agaisnt his will, evne though he was the one whose decisions helped made the two previous movies the sucess they were.It worries me this complete abandom Hollywood is having with 3D. They are treating it as if it's a panaceia that will resolve all problems in modern studio filmmaking. It's asd if Hollywod discovered a new way to keep doign movies their way wothout having to bothrer with such things as novel concepts and original stories and good scripts. No ned for that now, they have 3D, it's all it nedds. It reminds me how Holywood went SFX crazy after Star Wars, or CGI crazy. Holylwood keeps pullingthis stuff, using some new technological marvel to push movies, forgetting that first and foremost movies are stories and not glorified zoetropes.
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dude, the insane country that my adopted country shares a border with. And you destroyed them 7-0. Whats seriously hilarious is that The North Koreans are spinning the loss as due to bad weather in SA and their team being tired from the long trip to get there...lol
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me a retard then. I hated Moon. I truly found it to be dull beyond belief. And the "twist" was so mind numbingly obvious I figured it out 30 min in and I was sure I was wrong because it could nt be that obvious....but no it was. And it was nothing I had not seen before (unless you have never seen 2001, or silent running, and other 70s sci-fi films). But its biggest sin by far was being boring. I seriously struggled to make it to the end.....Give me D9 or Avatar any day....
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pisses me off because it thinks its so intellectual, and smart. It comes across as such a smug self satisfied film in that regard. Duncan Jones should try watching the Matrix, Aliens, Blade Runner, T2, Akira etc...to see how you make great sci-fi with a brain, and that does nt put the audiance in a coma....Its called entertainment buddy....
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I really wish you people DIE !
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But didn't Ridley recently say that the alien as a character has lost its power and impact because we have seen it too much? That we know every inch of it thanks to later films fully lighting the creature and bringing it to the fore of compositions?
Does anybody else think he might give the design a bit of an overhaul? It would certainly be a controversial move; it's such an iconic design. However, if Giger was involved I would be interested. If this new film is to be based around the Space Jockey race than they could feasibly alter the design and say it's due to the different host, as they did in Alien 3.
Grooveraider - should we do that in 2D or 3D? -
But hopefully some of you will come back so I can share this with you: http://vincentwardfilms.com/concepts/alien-3/graphic-novel-in-8-parts/ part-1/
It's a graphic novel/storyboard version of Ward's ill-fated Alien 3 concept! Not complete as of yet, but cool to see for those who are familiar with the history.
It's made me think though how cool it would be if we had a new Alien film that was comprised of short films/segments directed by an eclectic group of directors. Imagine if you will, Ward doing a segment with an alien terrorising his wooden world, then we have another short by David Lynch. One by Nolan, etc. It will never happen, but it would be pretty special if all of these director's unique visions of the Xenomorph in different parts of the galaxy.
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