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ScoreKeeper Has Five Copies of James Horner's STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK to Give Away!!!

Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with the cure for all you film music enthusiasts out there who are still searching for Spock. You can finally relax because I've got what you've been looking for! The good folks over at Film Score Monthly and Screen Archives Entertainment have generously provided me with five, that's right, five copies of their new two-disc release of James Horner's score for STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK (1984). The first disc contains the complete score while the second disc features the original 1984 soundtrack album.



What do you have to do in order to claim one of these hot items for yourself? It's simple. Email me at scorekeeper@aintitcool.com using the subject: MY SEARCH FOR SPOCK IS OVER! and include your full name, mailing address, a valid email address, and your favorite musical moment from any STAR TREK film or television episode. I will drop all the entries into a virtual bucket and randomly pull out five winners who will each be receiving a brand new, factory-sealed copy of the STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK two-disc CD soundtrack courtesy of Film Score Monthly. The deadline for submission is Saturday, June 19th, at 11:59PM EST. Only one entry per person please. International entries will be accepted. Duplicates will be discarded. That's it. Get to it! For more information including audio samples and order placement please visit Screen Archives Entertainment.

ScoreKeeper!!!



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  • June 14, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Free is a great price

    by jimmy rabbitte

  • June 14, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Damn...

    by Fred Garvin

    bought mine already.

  • June 14, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    My favorite musical moment is the whole 1st movie.

    by UltraTron

    The pipe organ that kicks in when vger gets going reminds me of Jules Verne high adventureness

  • June 14, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I was going to say the first movie as well

    by Jaka

    Probably when Kirk does the ride around Enterprise in space dock. But there are a ton of great music cues that I love in TNG, DS9, and even Voyager, as well. Have to think about it.

  • June 14, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    TMP is a masterwork

    by Badger23

    I specifically cited "Total Logic" as a personal favorite sequence.

  • June 14, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    He's dead jim

    by ORIONgods

  • June 14, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Definitely NOT Row Row Row Your Boat

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Everything about ST5 sucked pus from a festering asshole. Especially those fucking campfire scenes. Holy shit, that was embarrassing to watch.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Another great cue is the beginning of 3-

    by UltraTron

    the camera closes in on the enterprise with kirk's VoiceOver and the music is melancholy yet epic high space adventure. The Klingon music in the 1st is also classic beyond human reasoning. Give me an approaching alien craft with music that freaking badass again. I remember thinking the klingons were alien and badass. That was before we knew they were banging Troy. Who was hotter Troy or Crusher? Remember when crusher got flamethrowered to a crisp in that stainless steel room after going full-frontal?

  • June 14, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Is it troi- I dunno

    by UltraTron

  • June 14, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I used to think Gates McFadden was hotter...

    by Jaka

    ...without pause. But as I've gotten older and re-watched everything Trek several times over I've come to see the hotness of Marina Sirtis as well. However, McFadden's voice is approximately 87.7 times hotter than Sirtis', and she's a redhead. So if I have to pick a winner, she still takes it.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Crusher wins but I agree Sirtis is a fucking succubus.

    by UltraTron

    She's a Greek goddess pretty much. I did see this blond/ blueeyed Greek chick at the festival last week that could be the subject of an epic love story. One starring my.. love for classic film scores

  • June 14, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    The score for Star Trek V was outstanding

    by Badger23

  • June 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    No

    by UltraTron

  • June 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    all of Goldsmith's Trek scores were incredible..

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

    They were probably the only great things about Insurrection and Nemesis.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Now wait a sec- I'm gonna take that back.

    by UltraTron

    Besides row your boat- I just remember the rehash at the end of 5 that rang shit. I'll have to hear the meat again in context to evaluate the score

  • June 14, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    the intro

    by montessaurus

    Where the camera is panning through Genesis and the clouds... so moving. I love it.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Packin Wood Reviews

    by NippleEffect

    gives me a bit o'chub to see these eod of life playays wiggle around the food chain

  • June 14, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I gotta say...

    by durikaj

    ...the first eight notes of the Star Trek theme gets me every time. Alexander Courage takes me, in those first eight notes, to a place of anticipation.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The escape from the hospital in IV is groovy!!

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 14, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    ST 3 has some great music, especially "Stealing the Enterprise"

    by MediaGold

    That kicks major behind. I have it on my MP3 and listen to it all the time.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I bought it, its nice!

    by Pixelsmack

    Great to have such well mastered tracks and ALL of them now. ST3 was the FIRST CD I ever bought. (showing my age) I like that I am now able to get this much better version. Nice addition to ST1 and ST2 special editions.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Stealing the Enterprise makes my DICK HARD

    by Pixelsmack

    WORD.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    The REAL Trek

    by MajorFrontbum

    Not this modernized, commercially produced Hollywood shit that was released in 2009.

  • June 14, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Another fixed "contest" from AICN!

    by JediTray

    Nah, I entered. :)

  • June 15, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    BEST ST MUSIC...EASY...

    by MCVamp

    The "Kirk fights to the death with melee weapons" music from the original series. I mean, come on now. Der.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Actually, the "modernized, commercially produced...

    by DarkHawke

    ...Hollywood shit" was the "Star Trek" that was produced for TV between 1987 and 2005. You can tell, as it was a massively dumbed-down, trite and obvious version of the Original Star Trek that traded on the good name of its predecessor and mass appeal till the leaden weight of its own mediocrity stopped it cold. While the Star Trek movie of 2009 has some notable flaws, it channels the gusto and fiery spirit of the Original Star Trek that any 100 pseudo-Star Trek episodes put together cannot equal.<P> More on topic, my top pick has to be the first two and a half minutes or so of "Battle in the Mutara Nebula" from the Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan soundtrack, which plays as Kirk & Co. are beamed up to the mostly patched-up Enterprise as it prepares to go for round 2 with Khan in what remains the best starship battle on film. Gets me goin' every time!<P> A VERY close second is Jerry Goldsmith's lavish version of his Star Trek: The Motion Picture score during the reveal and tour of the refitted Enterprise from that movie. He perfectly captured the emotion that Kirk was feeling as he saw his one, true love once again for the first time. <P> Also from II, the sweeping score that accompanies the Enterprise turning and racing away from the soon-to-explode Reliant, which Horner re-used for the scene where the commandeered Enterprise starts to pull out of its spacedock berth. Classic!<P> There are sooo many others, but a couple that really grab me from Michael Giaccino's magnificent Star Trek score are "Enterprising Young Men," which plays over the trip to the "new" Enterprise and its departure from spacedock, and "Nero Sighted," which is the music we hear after the Big E warps into Vulcan orbit to encounter the Narada and the remains of the Federation fleet. And Giaccino's sumptuous treatment of the Original Star Trek theme during the closing credits is an old-skool Trekkie's dream come true!<P> And say what you will about Star Trek V, Goldsmith's score kicked MAJOR ass! Clearly the best part of the whole movie.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Stealing the Enterprise on vinyl makes my clit throb

    by awepittance

  • June 15, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    SERIOUSLY, AN INTERACTIVE ADVERTISEMENT

    by mynamesdan

    should at least allow me to interact with it's volume...

  • June 15, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Best line in this movie "I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU!!!!!"

    by Canidate_Micheal

  • June 15, 2010, 3:10 a.m. CST

    PROBABLY WATCHED THIS MOVIE 30 WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER WAY BACK I

    by Canidate_Micheal

  • June 15, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I thought I was the only one that loved Stealing the Enterprise

    by FunkyChicken

    Seriously long before cds I had the vinyl album for st3 and loved that track.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Once upon a time James Horner was really good

    by AsimovLives

    I really like a lot his score for STAR TREK III: THE ONE RETARDS THINK IT'S BAD. Horner's best score, however, i believe it's for GLORY. The theme he composed for the aftermath of the assault of the southern forte is one of the most emotional amazing thing i ever heard in a movie. And then he fucked up and became a mega hack. Fucking Horner!

  • June 15, 2010, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Jaka

    by AsimovLives

    I also think that the theme that Goldsmith came up for the Kirk return to the Enterprise is the best music moment in the whole history of Star Trek. Goldsmith had an uncanny ability to put everything that Star Trek symbolized in music. He was the composer of Star Trek. I mean, look the theme he composed for STAR TREK VOYAGER. Many dislke that series, i don't find it much appealing eithe,r but the theme goldsmith composed for it is one of the top best ST theme ever done. It's so good it could had been a TOS theme and nobody would find it misplaced. Also, least we forget, Goldsmith did composed the second TOS theme for the first movie, a theme so good that Roddenberry reused it for the theme of TNG.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Aparently, Jerry Goldsmith had been chosen as the composer for..

    by AsimovLives

    ... STAR TREK TOS tv show, persoanlyl handpicked by Gene Roddenberry. But, I BELIEVE, Goldsmith was too busy composing for THE SAND PEBBLES, a dauting task, and some other project,s so he wasn't available for ST. He later did composed for STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, and the rest is history.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:46 a.m. CST

    by bubcus

  • June 15, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Great Soundtrack

    by bubcus

    It was the only Star Trek Soundtrack I have purchased. Star Trek 6 and the new Trek film's soundtracks remain on my shopping list.<BR><BR> I'd love to hear what the added tracks on the double disc sound like.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST

    No Offense

    by Sane_Man

    ...but why the fuck would ANYONE want a copy of the Star Trek III score? Maybe this is a pivotal moment in you - the readers - life, when you realise ala Comic Book Guy "I wasted my life."

  • June 15, 2010, 3:52 a.m. CST

    swivile bobble fizz fizz

    by AsimovLives

    I think Goldsmith was pretty much in auto-pilot for ST: INSURRECTION. He still made a score miles better then that fucking shit that hackboy Michael Giacchino did, that's for sure.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    StarHawke

    by AsimovLives

    "While the Star Trek movie of 2009 has some notable flaws, it channels the gusto and fiery spirit of the Original Star Trek"<br><br>You couldn't be more wrong. The new Star Trek in Name Only movie is like a bad parody of TOS without the laugh track. It's one of the most souless cynical cash-in job i ever seen in my life not directed by Michael Bay. And that's just the begining of it's problems. Star Trek for the Michael Bay generation indeed.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Sane_Man

    by AsimovLives

    Why would anybody want a copy of ST3 score? Because it's damn fine music. I have it, and it's so good, you cna listne to it without watching the picture. good scores can survive without their movie,s and make for one hell of good mood music. Film scores are an art in itself, and they are the closest thing we have today for the symphonies of old.

  • June 15, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Why would someone want a Star Trek III CD

    by MediaGold

    Because it's fucking awesome? Is this a trick question? Do you listen to music?<p> And could certain talkbackers refrain from questioning others' social status? It's incredibly tiresome. If you're posting in the talkback, surprise professor - you're a dork and the only thing dorkier than a dork is a dork who can't admit he/she's a dork.

  • June 15, 2010, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Sane_Man

    OK...fair point. I've just got my password back on this site after 4 years so maybe that was being a little bit harsh as a first up return post. Still, I can't imagine a Star Trek score is going to set much of a mood beyond "It's Sunday Afternoon, the room is dark and musty, the outside world is living their lives in 2010 and I'm sitting here with a bottle of lube, surging with emotion, not wearing any pants about to conduct my own search for 'spock'.

  • June 15, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Actually the best line in Star Trek III is:

    by MediaGold

    I!!!! HAVE HAD!!!!! ENOUGH OF!!!!! YOOUUUUUU!!!!!!

  • June 15, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    "I!!!! HAVE HAD!!!!! ENOUGH OF!!!!! YOOUUUUUU!!!!!!"

    by buggerbugger

    ...makes me want to kick someone in the face every time I hear it. I have issues.

  • June 15, 2010, 6:01 a.m. CST

    This is what a soundtrack looks like

    by davidwebb

    when you don't fill it with hit singles and metal tracks inspired by. It's like they just can't be bothered releasing things properly anymore.

  • June 15, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Thr Orange pr0n effect

    by NippleEffect

    next comes squeeky noises

  • June 15, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST

    SAY THE WRONG THING TORG!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    Great use of Lloyd and widescreen

  • June 15, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Don't call me Tiny

    by photoboy

    It's a good score from Horner, particularly "Stealing the Enterprise" as others have already said.

  • June 15, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Star Trek III has risen in esteem over the years.

    by rbatty024

    I used to lump it in with all the other odd number Trek's, but on recent viewing I think it's better than people first suspected. It does suffer a bit from being the "middle child" in-between II and IV.

  • June 15, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Robot Chicken did it Mo' Betta

    by NippleEffect

    make sure to scrub the orange out

  • June 15, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Arch Nemesis

    "Symphonies of old" or classical music is represented by modern/contepmorary classical music as well, not just movie soundtrack music. Movie soundtrack music is popularly accepted as the only new classical music because the average person doesn't know where to look - on average it's the only commercially successful symphonic music. But there's plenty of great new music out there written for full orchestra.

  • June 15, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    I Reed this Site

    by NippleEffect

    and I'm still fuckin retarded<p> Goddammit<p> Howdotewspell ARGH

  • June 15, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Soooo

    by NippleEffect

    do i have the job?

  • June 15, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    I kneed someone to delete m porn

    by NippleEffect

    you know anybobys up for that?

  • June 15, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 3-

    by I AM ROCKO

    is a better film than the JJ Abrams directed "Star Trek" (2009). Search your feelings; you know this to be true...

  • June 15, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    AICN

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Where we report the news... every couple days... or when we get around to it. (tm)

  • June 15, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Sane_Man

    by AsimovLives

    "Still, I can't imagine a Star Trek score is going to set much of a mood beyond "It's Sunday Afternoon, the room is dark and musty, the outside world is living their lives in 2010 and I'm sitting here with a bottle of lube, surging with emotion, not wearing any pants about to conduct my own search for 'spock'."<br><br>Heh? That's some fucked up imagery you come up with. You think of that stuff up a lot?

  • June 15, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Arch Nemesis

    by AsimovLives

    Don't you think i don't know that. But modern music is mostly abstract in nature. i love lots of that, like the works of Penderecki, Ligeti, Bartok, John Cage, Philip Glass, etc. But as you notice,d i used the expression "symphonies of old", and by that i mean the baroque and romantic music composed by he likes of Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Listz, Mahler, Ravel, Debussy, Chopin, Wagner, Strauss, Tchaikovsky and the like. In that regard, film scores follow the tradition of those older composers, and they are their direct descendents, they fill the gap, so to speak, of those older symphonies and musical works. Those composers did their work for the masses, it was for mass consuption, and today, scores ar ecomposed for movies made for mass consuption. They are not only related, they are the same thing pratically, film scores are today's symphonies of old. And beleive me, this notion was not even created by me. Scorsese once said something to this effect once, and not just him.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I AM ROCKO

    by AsimovLives

    Any amoeba would know that to be true. That's how obvious it is.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK 3 receptability

    by AsimovLives

    The problem is not that the movie is getting better received today. The problem is that it should had been received very well right from the start. The notion that ST3 used to be bashed and lumped together with the worst of Star Trek is pure stupidity at work. It's the type of geekdom dogmatism bullshit that makes me sick! Really, i'll never understand that shit!

  • June 15, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    the film is still average guys--sorry

    by Six Demon Bag

    the worst offense of the film is that it looks cheap. look at the sets and all the corners cut and you will see it.<P>yes the score is good, an extension of the second film..<P>but there are some nice attributes to the film that i cant ignore--john larroquette and miguel ferrer rock!

  • June 15, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Stealing the Enterprise

    by Megaforce

    Is an awesome song to listen to whilst driving. Your pedal hits the floor when the enterprise goes to warp!

  • June 15, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    "Stealing the Enterprise" was my first film score Love

    by zillabeast

    I can remember being absoultely addicited to that track as a kid, and it resulted in me begging my dad to get me the cassette tape of The Search for Spock soundtrack. I've been an aficionado of movie music ever since.

  • June 15, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by AsimovLives

    Only if average means pretty good. But then again, in this day and age, all definitions regarding a movie's quality is all fucked up. This is the era where people call such shit as Jar Jar Abrams's STINO as good. I really need to get a dictionary in this new type of english speak, the one i have is outdated.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Star Trek III looks like a masterpiece

    by kwisatzhaderach

    compared to JJ's Star Trekwars.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Startrek 3 is just the epilogue for 2.

    by UltraTron

    Asimov: you are known to be the go-to fuckquot on this site. Aside from the weak villain and the fact that the writers wrote the film as trek 11 and then abrams decided he wanted a reboot in the editing chamber- what exactly was so bad? It was alot better than 9 & 10 for instance. Ooow. I want your particular brand of evil aimed at 9&10 and hear what you come up with

  • June 15, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Lets go Celtics!

  • June 15, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Best Track "Stealing The Enterprise" !

    by Zbranek001

    Watching the Enterprise back out of Spacedock while this music was playing gave me chills! Still does!

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  • June 15, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 6 SUCKS!

    by strosmer

    The first four I liked. The rest, mmm, not so much.

  • June 15, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Asi, regarding ST: Voyager music

    by Jaka

    In the past year to year and a half I did a casual re-watch of TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Watched every minute other than a couple where the discs completely fail and force me to skip to the next episode. I still put Voyager fourth on my list of ST series (DS9, TNG, TOS, Voyager - the first three are really very close, though), but I found I didn't hate it as much after some distance from the finale. First of all, the series has aged really well. Looks better than quite a few shows presently being aired. Second, I found that, other than Chakotay, I actually liked all the characters quite a bit. Sure, there was a lack of development for some, especially after Jerry Ryan came aboard as Seven. But that's the major flaw with the show in general, for me. They needed to come home sooner and move on to something else. But the final thing I found I really enjoyed about the show was the music. There was some really great scoring done on some episodes. Music that provided a real sense of adventure, excitement, fear and loneliness. I have no idea if Goldsmith did anything other than the theme. But I wouldn't be surprised if that was his work in a couple of the standout episodes. <P>Oh, and don't hate too hard on my placement of TOS. lol I love TOS quite a lot. But I was 15 when TNG premiered and I can still picture exactly where I lived and what I was doing that evening before the show started. I remember TOS in syndication, but it's TNG that created my love for Trek. And it was DS9 that made me a passionate and loyal fan for life. But like I said, those three are very close to each other at the top of my list. I still just pretend Enterprise doesn't exist.

  • June 15, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    UltraTron, my two cents on 9 & 10

    by Jaka

    Insurrection is a glorified tv episode. Probably would have won Emmy's if that's how it had been seen. Nemesis missed the mark, period. The actors seem bored and/or poorly directed. The killing of Data felt pointless because most people knew it was the actor wanting out. Because of that it lost a lot of it's dramatic punch. Tom Hardy doesn't look a damn thing like Patrick Stewart. And even though it's packed with action and affects, it feels flat through it's entire run time. No real tension. Just my two cents, though. I'll generally watch ANY Trek movie if given the chance. But 5, 10, and for completely different reasons - 4, are the three I enjoy the least.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Arch Nemesis

    Most film music (and by this I mean historically from when John Williams reset the bar) takes cues from classical, romantic and 20th century comtemporary music alike. Listen to much of Star Wars (IV) - you know Williams was listening to ALOT of Stravinsky, especially Firebird, and plenty of Tchaikovsky at the time, just for starters. Listen to the Raiders score - Shostakovich, anyone? (listen to his 1st cello concerto, 1st and 4th movts). Modern (as in right now) music isn't exclusively abstract in nature. That's really music from the 50s-80s, which had it's start with Bartok, Stravinsky, especially Shoenberg, and added electronics at the end of the 60s. But things have taken a turn toward more tonal and "traditional" from the 90s on, so it's really more accurate to say that all of these styles, from the last 200+ years, are combining now. That's what I hear anyone on average in the movies and to a degree on tv.<p> You know your composers, that's easy to tell. Impressive, really, most don't even know there is such a thing as baroque! Just don't be fooled by the hype that all modern music is atonal, minimalistic and abstract. Those are only a few pieces of the big puzzle. Anyway, "music for the masses" is a misnomer for older classical music. Music for the masses back then is what it is still now, pop music which is our version of old folk songs.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Btw, Asimov

    by Arch Nemesis

    James Horner definitely draws from the Romantic period ala Tchaikovsky, Brahms, others, very awesome and grandiose. I love Wrath of Khan the most, it's one of my alltime favorite movie scores though that music really weaves itself throughout III as well. Good stuff!

  • June 15, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    @Zbranek001 ...Stealing Enterprise

    by NorthTronic

    "Watching the Enterprise back out of Spacedock while this music was playing gave me chills! Still does!" i thought i was the only one who liked this piece i guess we all agree it kicks ass!!!

  • June 16, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    @ Zbranek001,NorthTronic, MediaGold Re: Stealing the Enterprise

    by Megaforce

    I can't believe there are so many fans of that piece of music! lol I thought I was the only one!

  • June 16, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Arch Nemesis

    by AsimovLives

    Believe me, i really like what you called "atonal, minimalistic and abstract" music. I have a soft spot for Ligeti and Penderecki myself. Thing is, there's not much of that kind of music in film scores, unless you go for the more art-house stuff. THERE WILL BE BLOOD is the best recent example of a movie that tried for a non-romantic score. But in terms of pure atonal abstract original score composed for a film, i think the motion picture that had one for a major release was the 1968's PLANET OF THE APES, composed by Jerry Goldsmith himself.<br><br>The more i learn about music, the more i get the referencesand influences on film composers. I realised that Goldsmith was extremely influenced by Ravel and Debussy, and John Williams is extremely influenced by Aaron Copland and Strasvinsky.<br><br>As for James Horner, he used to be brillant. When he stillhad some restrain from his influences in his work. Nowdays, he's only plagiarism, and shameless at that. But when he used to be good, he was great. His score for STAR TREK 3 is brillant. Even better then his for STAR TREK 2, and that already was very good.<br><br>It's great to chat to you about film scores. You really know your stuff. Too many people in here are about what of their own favorite heavy metal rock band song would be "cool" to be in a movie and shit liek that. Great to see soembody who knows the classic and not so-classics. Trust me, i'm as big a fan of modern 20th and 21th century atonal symphonic works as you are, or if not as much, at least close enough.

  • June 16, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Megaforce

    by AsimovLives

    It's not just the music, it's the whole scene that's brillant. It's one of the best action scene i ever seen in a movie, and it's not even very "action-like", but it plays extremely well to what the mood and the kind of movie and story is about. It's a brillant piece of filmmaking by a director that really understood the movie he was making and more importantly, the type of movie he was making. Jar Jar Abrams could learn a lot from it, if he wasn't such a shitty thick head hack too much inlove with his own bullshit.

  • June 16, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

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    by AsimovLives

    It's fair game if you prefer TNG over TOS. As you said, TNG was your major introduction to ST, and small wonder you place it higher. It's closer to your heart. TOS was the first ST i ever saw, when i was a toddler. I even saw it in black adn whit,e because in Portugal regular colour transmission only began in 1980. Before that, all was in black and white, and i saw TOS for the first time like that. Can you imagine it?<br><br>I did saw TOS very early in my life, i neve forgot it, but frnakly, after awhile, and because there were very scarse reruns and they never run complete series and they jumbled episodes from the 3 series withoiut any rhyme and reason, TOS for me became more the movies themselves then the TV show. In fact, only last August and Setember did i get to watch the whole TOS 3 series fullsome. And they were even better then i remmebered. Stuff that passed by me when i was a kid, as an adult i noticed. I noticed how sophisticated it was, the whole show. How smartly it mixed juvenile adventure with adult themes and drama. Brillant writing and directing and in many cases, acting as well. I can ove5come the wooby cardboard sets the same way one goes to the theater and can abstract oneself from the stage scenery and focus on the performances and the drama played, if you know what i mean.<br><br>And those things were brough back to TNG. In that sense, TNg is indeed a continuation of TOS. Unfortunatly, i know not much at all about TNG, except about the major characters. I really love Captain Picard, i think he kciks ass, and i think he's the best character invented for the St universe. Yeah, you read it right, i like Picard better over Kirk, and i really like Kirk. I migth not be very original her,e but for me, the top best St character are and always will be for me, Picard, Spock, Kirk and Bones. Well, the 3 later only in the TOS version, of course.

  • June 16, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

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    by AsimovLives

    I don't udnerstand why people always try to compare JJ Abram's abomination with ST 9 and 10 (Insurrection and Nemesis). Becasue if memory serves me, Insurrection and Nemesis are TNG movie,s not TOS. Abram's shitty abortion is a TOS movie, it's set in the TOs universe or whereabouts, it has jack all to do with TNG. so, the comparisons are, for me, poitnless and just too desperate to try to make Abram's misery look better, like a deperate ploy top thrown sand in the eyes. i call bulslhit on that. If Abrams' conspurcation has to be compared to, it's with any of the TOS movies, from The Motion Picture to The Undiscovered Country. and for me, Abrams's evacuation loses to all of them, even to Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier, and you know why? Becasue evne in the worst of them, those movies had an idea a theme and a thematic ambition to them. Regardless if we liked or agreed with the themes and ideas presented (i found the enviromentalism pontification in Star Trek 4 iritating and anoying to the extreme, and back then i called myself an enviromentalist), at least with that they still represent Star Trek for what it stands for, for what it represents, for what it is. Abrams's cancer is about nothing. Zero, nickles, nada. It's the most extreme case of complete mundanity imaginable. Star Trek movies and TV shows they could be good, they could be bad, they could be preachy, they could be naive, they could be misguised, they could be over-spreaded with too little butter spread over too much bread. But they never felt deliberatly dumbed down mundane! Until now.<br><br>As for Nemesis, and i know thisis the usual flogged horse, well, while i'm not a fan, i can detect in it an atempt at a theme. It has a theme, and a theme of it's own. It does steal from THE WRATH OF KAHN, shamelessly and anoyingly so. It's quite anoying because of the obvious rip off. but in it's defense, at least it only rips off WOK. Abram's plague rips off with complete gay abandon from not only WOK but from SW: A New Hope, Top Gun and Abrams' own Felicity. If i have to chose between two crappy movies, i rather chose the one that insults the less, i chose Nemesis.

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