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Capone talks with director Debra Granik about the chilling WINTER'S BONE!!!

Published at: June 14, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST by Capone

Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here. Director Debra Granik is a fascinating human being, let's just get that out there at the top of things. She has seemingly boundless energy, and enough stories about the research and making of her second feature WINTER'S BONE that I bet a behind-the-scenes documentary about her process would be just as interesting a the final film. And at least at the time I spoke with her about the movie, she had not grown tired of talking it up in the slightest. She seems more excited about other people seeing her work than practically any other filmmaker I've ever met. Granik has only ever made one other feature, but it was the underground wonder DOWN TO THE BONE, a film starring a relative unknown named Vera Farmiga in a role that is still getting her work. I've talked to several directors over the years, including Anthony Mighella and Jason Reitman, that all point to DOWN THE BONE as the reason Farmiga topped their casting list. When I interviewed Farmiga herself three years ago, she said this to say about Granik: "I know that when Debra Granik and I were working on it, I knew it was a brilliant coupling. I knew that we were both really excited to tell this story, and we had a really intense collaboration. And she's someone I really respect and admire and she's set a certain standard for me in terms of work ethic. She's someone I really look up to. I felt that we were both really passionate about what we were doing, and I would only hope that someone would get to see it. No one had even give me the opportunity to play such a role of a woman in such full dimension. No one before that. I didn't have a chance, and that was really the first time I could explore a character to such dimension and form, and no one had given me that responsibility before or entrusted that responsibility to me." There you go. WINTER'S BONE is set in the reclusive communities of the Ozark Mountains, so you can imagine Granik's level of immersion before she shot a single frame of the story, which she and Anne Rosellini adapted from the novel by Daniel Woodrell. The resulting film is scarily authentic and features yet another stellar lead female performance by Jennifer Lawrence as Ree Dolly. I'll have my full review up soon, but for now, please enjoy my conversation with Debra Granik…
Capone: Hi Debra. Good to meet you. Debra Granik: Oh, hi. Likewise. Capone: My ears popped coming up to this room. DG: I know, I know. I was really impressed with this situation here. Capone: Well the view is great. DG: It’s just that this is exceptionally remarkable to do an interview about this film in a posh space, because I have just gotten back from four days in Southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas brining the film to the homecoming screenings if you will. Capone: That was one of my questions, to ask you if they people in the towns where you shot had seen it. I know that when you showed it at Sundance that you hadn’t shown it in that community, but I was going to ask you if that changed. Tell me about that. DG: This was it, or at least phase one, and the issues that came out of that are like thinking that there are so many people that worked with us. It really doesn’t enter into their budget to be able to buy a ticket to a movie, so we tried to look at these other theaters in Northern Arkansas that are outside of this chain where the film will play at one branch of a regional chain, but it still wont get to the people that participated really, that live outside the situation--the Fayetteville area. So one of the women that runs a really excellent museum down there, an Ozark heritage and culture museum, a small place but nonetheless important and she was trying to research where the few drive ins are that still exists, and what really small places are still located in a community that… Are there still any really tiny town cinemas that still have projection that work, and she was trying to help us research that and then we were going to lobby [distributor] Roadside Attractions to see if they could go for almost like a literally cultural/political event. Could this film in any way be made accessible? Could it have one place in this big country where it’s not an art house film? They have been great to the film. They have been amazing and they were very brave and stood up first as distributors, nonetheless I think one of the men who runs their company is sensitive to those issues and I think will help me find a solution of how the film could be seen. These screenings were no-cost screenings. One of them was a big fundraiser, but what I mean is the people that were involved in the film didn’t have to pay to be there in this last week. The way it went over is that we had a very special time in the screening where people recognized their donkey, their dogs, their house, their car parts. That’s a very special kind of screening where there’s a proprietary feeling of among the participants. There are many things that can help this film sometimes have a route of entry. Initially, we thought it was enough maybe that the author comes from Southern Missouri. That’s the foundation of the whole project and that’s important, and he’s writing from a place of observation and deep love of the Ozarks from it’s natural endowments to it’s cultural issues and legacies. But then we had other participants that added things I think that do help link the film back. Meredith Sisco is the woman that sings in the film, and she ended up curetting the music for the film. She was very gratified, and this was sort of her barometer, in one of the screenings in her hometown that she felt hugely validated, that she had picked the right hymn in this, because at the end people were singing along. Not in any kind of rousing way, but almost just like humming it along, immediate recognition. So there are some ways in which that is working and I think in as much as Ree Dolly, the main character, expresses some kind of pride in her upbringing despite all of the difficulties she is going through, that resonated. I don’t think people tire of hearing some kind of public murmur of the part of Ozark’s culture that is still very cherished, which would be self-reliance and moxie and standing up for what you think is right, especially when it comes to issues of your own property. So she got a warm welcome, this heroine. Capone: That’s good. DG: Yeah. It also can’t hurt when you have had funky representation of your community over like a lot of decades, it can’t help but hurt to have a sort of inspiring hero be up there. Capone: On that level though, they were appreciative as well--not just the recognition factor, but on the story and the representation their culture? DG: I think so. The Dolly Gang or Dolly Clan… They are difficult people, no doubt, and Ree has got good members of her family and very gnarly people in her family too, and I think the “and” function there really, like my dream that it would, the “and” is you can have both things in your family. You can have people that act very poorly, very badly, and you can have people that do the right thing. You can have an uncle who gets very messed up in his life, chooses a self destructive path, chemically dependent, whatever difficult adult things happen to people, and you can see his loyalty still and you remember a better day. So “and” is sort of the umbrella under which this whole film has to function or it will not just bomb, but downright perpetuate some stuff that is the baggage that comes with working in a region that has been represented in certain ways over time, and it caused us to dig deep. Some of the discussions that came from the four days down there were exceptionally cherished by us, because after I had to speak about the word “hillbilly” for almost a year and I’m not one and never can be one, even if I wanted to like fantasize that I could. An urban person cannot, not ever, unless you do your time, so it was rewarding to have people that were involved in the film. We tried our hand at recording a very wide array of definitions of “hillbilly,” by people that had worked on the film--the good, bad, the ugly, but also the sweet and the unknown as well. “What does that term conjure?” “What is the culture behind that term?” and not trying to make it correctness, but just try to get a multivalent expression of that term. Capone: I remember reading some interviews with you on your first film too that you have a very method way of directing--total immersion. It’s not just a matter of research and reading a few books,. You dive in headfirst before you shoot a single frame of film and that’s not a usual approach I think by a lot of filmmakers. Maybe some of them just don’t have the time, but that’s really unusual. And the results are there on screen, and it makes everything that you have done so far feel very authentic. DG: The thing that I was going to say is that it’s funny how that goes back to sometimes this comment that it kind of rules my life, which is that we are all born on quite a narrow path, my life is very defined by my race, my class, where I grew up, my geography--huge influence. So that limits me, so in order to actually make films about existences that I don’t know about, I do have to do that. It wouldn’t be enough just to read a book. I did read the book and then I had to go down, because I was like “Is that contemporary?” “Does Ree Dolly today heat her house with a wood stove?” “Is that common? Is that rare?” “Wild game, is that common? Is that exotic?” and “By the way, how is it down?” I’d have to go and see for myself, so I think coming from a very specific place--which was also nowhere, because it was the suburbs. It’s not that I’m condemned, but it’s like it is part of my life mission that I must go seek and look, you know? So that’s what spurs that on. That’s not just a dogma, it’s more like it’s a necessity that what you don’t know you can’t punch your way through and also you find, when you start getting involved in filmmaking, that you team up with people that share certain kinds of quests or curiosities. I found myself in this place where I feel very fortunate that the woman who produces the films with me, Anne Rosellini, she really desires that. She comes from a really documentary impulse, meaning like “Your life amazes me. Is it possible that I could look at it with you?” And the DP is also very inspired, he doesn’t want to be condemned to working on sets. Capone: That’s going to be tough to deal with if you ever become a director for hire. Someone is going to ask you, “Can’t you just jump right in here and do this?” DG: [laughs] And I want to develop that skill. I want to be able to do that. I would like to be a flexible person and there are certain things that wouldn’t require that much research, meaning if I had to do a scene in this hotel… If it was about the housekeeping staff, I would have to definitely spend some time, but that would be so strategic. That would be such a strategic strike, to spend a couple of days or go home with a couple members of the house keeping staff and see where they live in the other greater huge metropolitan parts of outlying Chicago and what their lives are like. But then the minute the story got involved, like let’s just say there’s a person that’s linked up to the Mexican community and has like a new rival, that would then take time to figure out some part of existence in the enormous Chicago Mexican community. Then the research gets complicated, but I’m just saying some scenes I could imagine them, but not for long. But that would never satisfy me, it’s true. Then I would be curious about the housekeeper. Capone: You would then need six months to prepare. DG: Yeah. [Both Laugh] Capone: Your film confirmed for me something I've always believed about this community. Because of the isolated nature of the community, this is a place where, for the most part, the world outside doesn’t have much of an impact--cultural trends and politics. It just doesn’t really have a direct impact, although I think some people might be shocked to see the drug culture in a setting like this. That clearly has infiltrated this community. Did you get a sense that that was true? That this place exists and evolves on it’s own with very little influence from anything outside of the people that live there? DG: Yeah. I think historically that’s definitely been true and that’s like all hill cultures, like anthropologically around the world, that there’s a seclusion factor that’s always been so important to why the music has a specificity, why certain dialects get maintained longer than in other places. Homogenization happens less rapidly, literally protected by the earth’s curves, if you will. There are [satellite] dishes in everyone’s yard. Capone: And I noticed that. DG: And we didn’t cover them up, because it’s not a historical film; it’s contemporary. Some of those dishes work, some don’t; I guess no one bothers to repossess a dish. Some of them probably aren’t linked to service anymore or are or maybe I forget whether a satellite service can be cut off, because once you’ve got the dish you can receive it. People have what I call “hill lives” and “town lives.” The same person, the matriarch on the property that we lived, she is a greeter in Wal-Mart, but at night when she comes home, her son and some of the people in her family might be skinning one of the four dear that they are entitled to catch, then the preparation eventually will happen, or someone’s gotten squirrels, or a neighbor has come by with extra squirrels. You know, so she knows everything. She’s brought home Hannah Montana t-shirts for her granddaughters, yet her house looks like a prototype of a house that’s existed for quite a few hundred years now and it was hand built and the extensions on it were all hand built, so there’s no two walls that have the same texture. It is this really rich kind of horn brushing if you will. It’s not that they are oxymorons, but just stark contrasts, but where I think the hills do provide this great bosom, if you will, is in the music making and that something really special is happening and has happened and always has happened and is still happening. That blew our mind, as coastal people, that blew our mind. We actually didn’t have music in this film originally, because we thought “Oh boy, dangerous ground. At any turn someone could either pick up a banjo and either be a crazed loon after they put it down…” [Both Laugh] Capone: You’ve got to be careful with banjos in movies like this. DG: Right, or you have too many people like humming on their porch and all of a sudden it becomes kind of like a fantasy of generationally poor people that just sing all of the time or something and it was none of that, but pickin' sessions occur. What we found was that was rally tied into this part of the culture that is so outside regular culture, which is living life sometimes for no greater gain. A country that’s built on betterment, more, upsizing, aggrandizing, doing well by virtue of what you can purchase, the Ozarks then of course would seem like a backwards place or a weird place or a place of stasis--the fact that not everyone is striving for material betterment. Maintenance of life? Yes. Being able to provide and sustain life… Literally the word “sustainable” became this fascinating word for us, like “sustainable life.” It’s the same thing with music, you want to sustain your music. You don’t have fantasies of going to Nashville and busting into some larger arena, and sometimes participating in a fiddle contest is like a furlough from the service economy, it’s just a way to win a couple hundred dollars that can keep you from having to return to the service economy right away. That we have reverence for, but it was also really different for us coming from the coast. Capone: But you also have a taste of heavy metal music too. DG: Oh God, yeah. That’s alive and well--MTV culture. We went to a high school and Anne and I whizzed around, and we saw this really gorgeous Goth girl walk by. That’s another kind of miracle too, that certain--especially in the Bible belt--to see you are like “Whoa a Goth girl. You know it’s not so easy to do that here probably." And metal kids and what not, so that’s where the outside cultures do come in, of course, And yes that was bread-and-butter metal from the region, so there’s no way in a nano-second, electronic Twittering age that any community can protect itself or preserve itself with integrity. However, you wish that at least the music can continue and if there’s a way to get national recognition for it, outside of the bluegrass circuit, there would be incentive to perpetuate it and there would be for, again, some sustainable way for that to occur. Capone: Let’s talk a little bit about your actors and your actual characters here. It took me a little while to get a handle on what Ree’s motivation was, other than just keeping her land and keeping her family. Maybe that’s all she needed to do the extraordinary things and the very dangerous things that she does. In your head, what are her driving instincts? DG: I think the ultimatum that is delivered to her isn’t just loss of house or eviction or foreclosure, even though those things are probably in most people’s lives worth fighting for, but when you are fighting a bank who are you even fighting? In this situation, I feel like she feels like before she gives up, she’s got to turn over the stones. I think the idea of social services coming in and dispersing her family or relatives that she feels would not be appropriate guardians for her siblings, I think that is enough in this character’s life. She has friends. She’s gone to part of high school, but I do think that what has been the dominant vista of her existence is the smaller nexus of her immediate kin. I also think that Ree doesn’t know how hard it’s going to be. I don’t think she knows she’s going to be met with such blockage. She’s aware that her dad is messed up and is caught up “in the life,” if you will, and that’s unsavory and she knows it involves intimidating characters who are up to difficult, no-good things. I don’t think she thinks that… I don’t think when she sets out that she knows he’s been done in. Capone: I didn’t. DG: I think she thinks it’s appropriate to go to Uncle Teardrop’s house and ask him, to seek his help, and in the end she actually gambled correctly. He is upset, he fears for her, he’s trying to get her to not do it herself, and yet she made the right gamble, because ultimately he will proceed to assist her in that crucial time. It’s not just a journey, but trying to solve a mystery basically. I kind of bought that, I did. Reading Daniel’s novel and trying to figure that out, I kind of had to believe that, because in hindsight knowing what she will face, it’s pretty hard to bite that off, but it was probably the not knowing and for her I think she thought she was going to do it one step at a time. Literally, maybe by the visit to Teardrop it could be solved. Capone: Teardrop is played by John Hawkes, and I have never seen him play a character like this before. I’ve been a fan of his for so long, and he has just sort of done this wonderful job of never really repeating himself and this is about as not repeating himself as he has ever done. How did you come together with him? DG: We were so excited to work with him, and I agree with you that… The reason that you don’t know what else he could do is because he doesn’t always get the chance. He probably doesn’t always know, in the sense that he hasn’t been stretched sometimes when I’m sure he’s desired it. I think he also has relished and enjoyed and found meaningful everything he has done. It always leads up to just knowing that you are capable of interpreting lots of carets or degrees of human nature, but he has played very mild people in the past, gentle people. That is his home base--he is a gentle person. I think he was very hungry for exposing himself to research and understanding of someone’s life that is very far from his own and he took it upon himself to do a lot of that research down there. I think he enjoyed the novel very much and I think he had a lot of… I don’t want to say “compassion,” but I think he was drawn in almost to the raw romantic nature of a tragic character like Teardrop. He is kind of like a quintessential tragic hero in the sense that he makes very bad choices and yet there is a certain kind of nobility in him and John I think really made the right decision and recognized Teardrop’s intelligence. It doesn’t go that anyone who imbibes a really harmful substance or gets addicted to something very pernicious isn’t smart. It’s often that that intelligence, it’s been very hard to find a channel for it and a restless mind, where the rest of them might have sought substances to quiet it or dull it or put it to sleep or to make it high or whatever, and I think Teardrop kind of falls into that category as interpreted by John and myself. Capone: I went into this movie not knowing any of the cast, I kind of just wanted to see it as uninfluenced by who was going to appear. So I didn’t know Garret Dillahunt was in this film; he's one of my favorite people to see pop up on TV or in movies. Were you a little hesitant to put too many people in it that might get recognized and that might sort of take people out?” DG: Absolutely, yes. That’s a huge concern of mine and Anne's. She and I share that concern really seriously, because we are taken out when we go to see films when there are these…they're called “added-value cameos,” you know? The idea that you can get a very prominent star to hop into a film, and it doesn’t cost them much because it’s a day or two of shooting and the whole recipe seems so delectable. That’s really a lot of the things that on the West Coast when financing is considered that financiers would be looking for in an independent film. “Could you get someone of that nature in your film to pop up?” At one point we thought “Oh God, maybe Sissy Spacek for shoot in for [the character of] Merab?”, and it really wouldn’t have helped this film at all I don’t think. The person who played Merab was also seldom seen even though she has had a long working life, Dale Dickey--she’s been on the show called "My Name Is Earl" and she’s in theater a lot in LA, and she was just so right on for the part and she hails from Eastern Tennessee. It would have been so painful to pick someone by their name versus someone who that was really right for the part. That pressure is there, and you have to navigate around it somehow. Capone: Even with only one other feature under your belt, you have already established yourself as someone who has a real gift for finding unknown female talent. I have talked to Vera Farmiga before and also directors who have hired her literally because of DOWN TO THE BONE. So with Jennifer Lawrence, tell me about finding her and that audition process, because I imagine there was a search for Ree. DG: Oh there was and it was hard, because that age range is not that abundant and the reality is that at first we were seeing people that were much older and it became painful for us to see grown American women having to impersonate girls. It was not the way we wanted to go, and yet also if you go too young, it’s very hard for an independent film to support that, because if the person is not 18--Jennifer was 18, which was amazing and when we heard that it was like we really were loving her work in the audition and the fact that she was someone who could swing with a rigorous production and not have a lot of stipulations on her work availabilities. She was unknown to me, even though she had been in two huge roles in feature films, THE POKER HOUSE and THE BURNING PLAIN… Capone: I saw THE BURNING PLAIN. DG: We hadn’t seen those yet. THE BURNING PLAIN wasn’t available at that moment and for whatever reason, that information never got to us. But I think that was really excellent actually, because we saw her really for the work she did in the room, and the fact that she was from Kentucky meant a huge deal for me as an East Coast person. I really enjoyed the way she spoke, just as her natural way of pronouncing American English. Capone: She has a great voice, a great cadence. DG: Yeah and she made it known that she would really work hard on the film. Even with the two prominent roles that she had, she had enough to view things more. She could easily become jaded, and that’s not how she approached this at all, so we were very grateful that for whatever fate had that our paths crossed. Capone: Debra, thank you so much. It was really great to talk to you. DG: Likewise, and I appreciate your interest very much.
-- Capone capone@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • June 14, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Looks good

    by alan_poon

    Will definitely be checking this out on DVD.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Looks so good I didn't read the article

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Harder and harder to go into a movie unspoiled these days.......

  • June 14, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Who are the ad wizards...

    by wampa 1

    ...that came up with this one?

  • June 14, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    by skywise404

    Jouhn Hawkes and Garret Dillahunt...I'll be in the theaters for this one if i get a chance. Dillahunt was (aside from sexy Lena Heady) the best thing about Sara Connor Chronicals.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Who?

    by Galactic

    No, seriously... Who?

  • June 14, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Oh btw, I got a Winter's Bone for ya.

    by Galactic

  • June 14, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    It's... in my pants.

    by Galactic

  • June 14, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    I'm talking about my penis.

    by Galactic

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  • June 14, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Damn. Galactic you beat me to the punch!!! Damn...

    by SkunkApe007

  • June 14, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Winters .....Bone, Giggity

    by mav07

  • June 15, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    Saw it

    by Giltar

    Definitely worth seeking out in one form or another

  • June 16, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Oscar Nomination!

    by woan

    My pick for a Best Picture nomination! Simply an awesome film all round: story, cinematography, acting, score...

  • June 20, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    This smells nice, too...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    4-5 days freshness...

  • June 20, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Nice fireplace for chillin' my Winter Bone...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    104,229th

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    We need a proclamation, Sixes...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Put on your exo-skeleton loader mech...

  • June 20, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Subs...that makes it official...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I felt like I was in Purgatory, for a second there...

  • June 20, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Plus, I'm sure we can work up some

    by Subtitles_Off

    Appalachian Mountain horror-fiction appropriate to the surroundings.

  • June 20, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Just keep an eye out for late-comers to

    by Subtitles_Off

    the last squat and discretely coax them over here.

  • June 20, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Wikied it...Does sound interesting...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    "Ree Dolly (Lawrence), a 17-year-old girl, is forced to track her father through the Ozark Mountains after he places their home up as his bail bond and flees."<p>In my defence, I have only done that twice to MY daughter...<p>Happy Father's Day to all you Dads...

  • June 20, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Happy Dad's Day to ya, Cheesey.

    by Subtitles_Off

    And all the others.<P> Sixies<br> Flick<br> 'nilla<br> ST<br>

  • June 20, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    It's gotten very good art-house buzz, and Capone

    by Subtitles_Off

    seems to love it. Looks bleak and depressing to me.

  • June 20, 2010, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Maybe they are doing it 'Bourne Identity" style...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Or, 'Next of Kin' style causing Patrick Swazey to spin in his grave...

  • June 20, 2010, 2:13 a.m. CST

    G'night, Cheeses.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Game over, man. Game over."

  • June 20, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Night, Subs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I think I'm gonna pontificate on what it means to be a Father...

  • June 20, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Heya gang.

    by TedKordLives

    Couldn't find it anywhere. I did get a copy of SUPERMAN 3 for .50 cents, tho. Sorry I missed the show, it sounded like a lotta fun.

  • June 20, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    There are many Father’s among the Pebrewhood…

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and I would like to address those brother’s (and also our sole MILF…) and share some wisdom as the eldest father . My three children are 30 and 24...Two are adopted, the youngest my only biological…I have seen it all…None of you even have teenagers yet…HHHHAAAA!!!! You have no IDEA what is ahead…<p>This is Cheeses Guide to parenthood… <p>1) What you feed your kid’s head with before they are 5 years old is of paramount importance. It determines how they react to future learning opportunities…they have to WANT to know new things…it’s up to you to make it exciting for them…Don’t count on TV or movies to do that job…they do exactly the opposite…<p>2) They will all hate you at some point, especially during adolescence, and often beyond, depending on situations, but, if you teach them how to be successful and live long enough, they will come to appreciate and thank you…Teach your kids to be self sufficient , and you will be doing your job… Stick to your guns… <p>3) In matters of principle, stay steady as a rock… in matters of taste, flow like water…they will choose exactly what you despise to champion… Just to irk you…Relax and explain your perspective ..Let them follow it…the more you protest the more they will do what you hate…<p>4) One day, your kid will have sex…If you have a boy and he tells you about it…you will be happy and want to high five him…If your daughter tells you she had sex, it doesn‘t register with the same enthusiasm…but, to react otherwise is REALLY hypocritical…I have always been honest with my daughter about sex and encouraged her to enjoy sex and not conform to society norms, just know the difference between being poly-amorous and being a whore… <p>5) No matter what they tell you about only being responsible for a child for only the first 18 years, they will always be your child…YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE…accept it…<p>6) You will make mistakes raising your kids…You are not perfect…neither were your parents…Forgive yourself…What you are today was initially coded by your parents before you were 5 years old…<p>Forget the GUILT and don‘t borrow problems from the future…live in the now and teach your kid to be a person you would call a friend…

  • June 20, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Hiya, Tedster...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I was videoless, too...<p>You met my daughter, did I do a good job?

  • June 20, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST

    A part of #6 that didn't show up on time...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Forgive your parents, too...they were only doing the best they could...They love you EXACTLY like you love your kids...<p>Cut them the same slack you hope they will one day give you...<p>It's the circle of life...<p>Happy Father's Day guys and gal...

  • June 20, 2010, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Nytol...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    #7 - Leave no photographic evidence.

    by Subtitles_Off

    http://tinyurl.com/22qvjt7

  • June 20, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    News of The Day: You Promise?, Dept.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I hope this starts a real trend. I don't know why Miley Cyrus and Susan Boyle get a pass, though.<P> http://tinyurl.com/2c884nr

  • June 20, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Bony bitches leave

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 20, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Howdy, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Having a good Dad's Day?

  • June 20, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    ...man...that was painful.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 20, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I take it Italy lost?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    ...tie. Italy played the whole game in New Zealand's...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...half...pounded them, but couldn't break through.<P> New Zealand was outclassed, but they defended amazingly. Well done.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Every frikken game in The World Cup ends in a tie?

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's all I've heard: tie, tie, tie, tie.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Morning Peebs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Love the Father's Day Pics, Subs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Morning, Cheeses.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I guess I'm going to TOY STORY 3 this afternoon.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    ...well, each team has only one more game in the...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...first round, then it's on to all no-tie elimination games.<P> I think a lot of countries that aren't traditionally strong have improved a lot in the last couple World Cups...and they've learned how to play disciplined ball that shuts down some of the usual powerhouses. <P> A lot of shockers this time around...people don't realize that if you follow the game, a tie can still be a thriller. New Zealand is going crazy right now.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    New Zealand's never been known

    by Subtitles_Off

    for its disciplined balls before.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Ozzie, ozzie, ozzie!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Oi! Oi! Oi!

  • June 20, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    ...morning, Cheeses, thanks for the parenting...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...pep talk. All good stuff, and easy to forget in the heat of the moment.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    ...I tell my balls where to go, but I let them run around...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...like wild goats and get there any way they like.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Morning, Flick...thanks...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You got a good decade or more before the Teen Terror years hit your family...enjoy the quiet times while you got them...

  • June 20, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I used to discipline my balls...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    but, one day I realized they enjoyed the discipline just a little too much...

  • June 20, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    World War III pre-game show:

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    http://www.israelnational news.com/News/News.aspx/138164

  • June 20, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Hey, Crispy...that is disconcerting...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You seen this yet...Oil from the Gulf Spill is Radioactive...<p>http://www.rense.com/general91/d2se.htm

  • June 20, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Cake does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    "It's Father's Day Bedelia, and I WANT MY CAKE!"<p> 10 points to whomever can name that film...

  • June 20, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Everybody knows, when your balls misbehave,

    by Subtitles_Off

    you get down to their level and in a firm tone of voice you give them a warning. If they continue to misbehave, you put them straight away to the naughty corner for one minute for each year of their age. Then, when they've thought about their behavior, you ask them to say "sorry, darling," and it's all hugs and cuddles.<P>Everybody knows this.

  • June 20, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    CREEPSHOW

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    "I want my cake, you dirty bitch!

    by Subtitles_Off

    And I am going to have it!"

  • June 20, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Subs, for answering correctly you win!<p> Ed Harris, for dancing like a knobhead you lose!<p>

  • June 20, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    When Ed Harris dances...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    EVERYBODY loses...

  • June 20, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    What do I win? What do I win?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Happy dads day all

    by Six Demon Bag

    Mines been good so far..got a Scorsese flick as a present

  • June 20, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You going to TS3 subs?

    by Six Demon Bag

    Enjoy. It really is good

  • June 20, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Happ Father's Day, Sixes...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Happy Father's day all.

    by STLost

    Thanks for the tips, Cheeses. I'll have to keep those in mind. <P> Sorry I missed the LIVE BLOG. We watched ROLE MODELS and that sucked the life out of me, and I was really tired and just crashed. <P> Library Movie Review: ROLE MODELS. Sucked the life out of me. Some (ie, very few) funny spots. 2/5

  • June 20, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah cheesy

    by Six Demon Bag

    Thanks for the advice..lord knows I could use it

  • June 20, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Being a Dad is one of the least appreciated...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    but, most rewarding job in the world...<p>Like Chris Rock says...somethimes the best Dad gets out of the deal is the big piece of the chicken...

  • June 20, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Who wants to hear about

    by Subtitles_Off

    THE <br> WORST <br> CINEMA <br> EXPERIENCE <br> EVER <br> ?<P> We're talking arriving late, having to sit in scattered groups. Spilled slushies. A parent who won't leave her seat to change her kid's diaper, no matter how he pleads. Cell-phones. Body odor. And a mentally handicapped kid with some form of Tourette's which cause him to blurt out "Disney!" and "Mickey Mouse" and snort at the most inappropriate moments.<P> In the annals of bad theater-going experiences, this theater-going experience unzips, lowers his shorts and craps all over the other lousy theater-going experiences.

  • June 20, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Ouch...That sounds rough...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You didn't punch anybody out?

  • June 20, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I wanted to, but that would've set a bad example.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The worst was not the strange fat kid who stole Joey's popcorn. The worst wasn't even the kid with the "Tourette's." The worst was the kids in their twenties who thought the "Tourette's" was so funny, they had to loudly mock the kid every time.

  • June 20, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Summer morning movie watching

    by Six Demon Bag

    Yeah it's pretty rough. I like going early in the morning myself but it really can test your reserve. There were many strollers during my viewiing and I expected to have babies squawking--it is G rated. But I don't mind as much as I did during iron man 2. This sounded 10 times worse<p>other than that I hoped you liked the film. Or was it tainted?

  • June 20, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    After the film yesterday..

    by Six Demon Bag

    The wife and I and two boys needed lunch before lil went down for his nap..went to burger king and we saw a meltdown if epic proportions. A dad torn and frayed beyond repair and his three daughters. One of them spilled their drink everywhere and he just flipped. Really awkward for everyone. After he begrudgingly cleaned up the drink he spitefully put on his headphones and told his girls to eat. I guess he needed some alone time

  • June 20, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    The experience was horrible, but I don't think it tainted

    by Subtitles_Off

    my opinion of the movie. I'm trying to come up with a review that The Peeb's won't dismiss as "Oh, just old Subs - that cynic. Ignore him."

  • June 20, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    ...David Edelstein of New York Mag and NPR heaps...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...praise on WINTER'S BONE, but perversely, I'm a little less eager to see now...<P> http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/66465/

  • June 20, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    You no likey?

    by Six Demon Bag

    I really couldn't find anything wrong with the film at all.

  • June 20, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    ...ST...really? I kinda loved ROLE MODELS...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I mean, it's light...but I laughed hard.<P> Of course, I always have a few glasses of wine with a comedy. Few things are funny without wine.

  • June 20, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    ☆☆RIGHT-BRAIN CINEMA☆☆™<P>TOY STORY 3<P>

    by Subtitles_Off

    2010. Animated.<P>Directed by Lee Unkrich.<P>Featuring the voices of Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, Joan Cusack, Don Rickles, Ned Beatty, and Michael Keaton.<P> Pixar's latest universally-adored film is probably unassailable. Sequels to sequels aren't expected to add anything original, anyway, and, in the sense that this one manages a couple small things, I guess you can color me satisfied. Since these characters' personalities are culturally ingrained, there's not much you gotta do with them other than stick them into the generic Pixar story-telling template of charaters on an adventure to get somewhere. This time, that adventure takes on the thrills of a dangerous jailbreak movie, as the toys - outgrown in the eleven years since the second (and far superior) film - are accidentally discarded, seperated, reunited, donated to a day-care, tossed about, separated, mistreated, reunited, separated, trashed, reunited and separated. The film is entirely made up of humor and nick-of-time escapes, with an element of nostalgia for sentimental adults (I don't mind being the one to say it: The seventeen-year-old heading off to college whose main concern is his favorite toy is a kid who needs to get laid, p.d.q.). The audience howled with laughter when they weren't chatting on their cell-phones and talking among themselves or trying to corral their underlings. They had a great time with it, and that isn't surprising because it is well-made. But, tortillas and dress-up don't make me howl. What worked better, for me, were the thrills - the film is an effective rush (even the deus ex machina is a genuine reward) - and two brand-new characters - a stuffed bear who smells of strawberries and bitterness and his brute henchman, a truly scary, damaged baby doll. At its core, 3 is sincere in its themes of loyalty, friendship, and generosity, even if it expends too much frantic energy on slapstick. It's a three-star plot with a few five-star moments, and it's unlikely to disappoint anyone with that yearning to return to the toy-box.<P>★★★☆☆ ½ <br> (3.5/5)

  • June 20, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    WINTER'S BONE

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm getting the feeling - and hoping I'm wrong - that it's this year's PRECIOUS.

  • June 20, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    I originally thought that 'Winter's Bone' ...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    was gonna be a Edgar Winters 70's bio-pic...

  • June 20, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    HA! Harry hates the ending to 3!

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's one of only two moments the thing really soars.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I don't recall.

    by Subtitles_Off

    was Edgar Winters known as a real ladies' man?

  • June 20, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I thought it played more to adults

    by Six Demon Bag

    Than children...yes there were some funny parts for the children but the themes--I don't think the kiddies will get that til later

  • June 20, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    I don;t think there has EVER been an albino 'Ladies' Man' Subs..

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Don;t they sometimes call a guitar a 'bone'? I'm no musician, but that rings a bell...

  • June 20, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I can't really think of anything that I thought was

    by Six Demon Bag

    A misfire...subs gimme a part you didn't like.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Does dracula count as an albino ladies man?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 20, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I don't expect Harry to get the ending to 3

    by Six Demon Bag

    He doesn't seem to me to be an ANDY..more like an AL.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I think TS3 is being marketed to the adults...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You don't need to convince kids to see it, but when the adults see the commercials they are big on the washed-up toys angle..."let's go see what we're worth on E-bay"...they know adults will resonate with the empty nest syndrome and it makes them want to take their kid to see it and spend that 'quality time' calming their guilt. <p>I really liked the first two, but I've always waited til they were released on VHS or DVD...

  • June 20, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Harry spoiler spoiler

    by Six Demon Bag

    Thinks Andy and Bonnie should get married in this magical new trilogy he's concocting.. And the prequels hEs dreaming of!!

  • June 20, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Sixies, wasn't I clear?

    by Subtitles_Off

    The humor is somewhat lazy. The plot is generic Pixar. Those themes that "play" to adults are fairly sentimental, obvious and unchallenging. "You gotta grow up." Yeah? Who doesn't? <P>"Misfire" is a strong word.<P> There is nothing in TOY STORY 3 that I dislike, intensely, just as there is nothing in there, either, that convinced me I didn't know exactly what it was when I walked into it.<P>It's half-a-star above average. I think the affection that people have for these characters, combined with loyalty to the brand and the desire to be entertained, influences peoples' view of it. That's totally valid.<P>You've met me, right? I have other buttons that need pushing. TOY STORY 3 pushed one or two of those buttons, and that's why I gave it the extra star. By comparison, TOY STORY 2 pushed nearly all of my buttons.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I always thought Edgar Winters was a keyboardist.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Learn something new every day.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Here's a misfire. A little one.

    by Subtitles_Off

    When one of your big sub-plots can be resolved with snippets that play over the end credits, that sub-plot was, probably, a waste of our time to begin with.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    He may be, Subs...Albino's are funny like that...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    What if 'Winter's Bone' was about Shelly...????

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    I think the credits scenes

    by Six Demon Bag

    Were important but not essential to the ending of woody and buzzs story..it was also a godsend cause if those end credits scenes weren't there you would have a lot of parents walking out of the theater bawling in front of their kids...me included

  • June 20, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Or, Johnathon...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Bawling? Really?

    by Subtitles_Off

    What made you so sad, boo?

  • June 20, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I am very easily manipulated.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I can't watch "Extreme Home Makeover," because it turns me into a blubbering idiot.<P>3 didn't even give me sniffles.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Joey, who I saw it with,

    by Subtitles_Off

    told me he liked it, "alright."<P>This kid told his dad this morning, "We ought to invite Mike to the movie, too, 'cause he doesn't have any kids, and he shouldn't miss Father's Day."<P> That gave me big sniffles.

  • June 20, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    *sniffle*, Subs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Sixman, you know ever since the Jungle Book I CAN NOT cry in a movie...now, I'm scared to see TS3...

  • June 20, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Subs..."I can't watch "Extreme Home Makeover,"...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    because it turns me into a blubbering idiot."<p>You got some kind of supressed drywall or spackling related emotions...? Is it all that hammering?

  • June 20, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I watered up at the landfill part

    by Six Demon Bag

    SPOILERS cause they really just accepted their fate..and as Capone said, had this been live action, it would be getting more credit. But the end with andys mom got my wife cause she's already trying to get our kid to live with us when he goes to UH or rice in college. He's two!<p>what got me was where they wanted to--right at the end --when you hear from Andy how special each and everyone of his toys were to him. And then he gets one last hurrah with them. You can relate to this any and every way. Yes it's manipulative but it's good too

  • June 20, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Sawdust gets in your eyes...

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Happy 35th JAWS

    by Six Demon Bag

    You haven't aged a day

  • June 20, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    That's true, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 20, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Good news for Rupert Murdoch...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_hi_te/us_fcc_media_ownership_rules

  • June 20, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    At the Alamo in houston

    by Six Demon Bag

    They played Temple of Doom for fathers day. I think Crusade wouldve been mire appropos, I guess they couldn't get a print.

  • June 20, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    JAWS opened wide nationally

    by Six Demon Bag

    In less than 500 theaters. That's like an indie film these days

  • June 20, 2010, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Flick..RE: ROLE MODELS...

    by STLost

    yeah, when we saw the trailers for ROLE MODELS last year, it was a movie my wife and I both wanted to see in the theater, which is rate. We finally got it this week at the library, and almost gave up on the movie 20 minutes in. We went outside and watched some fireworks. I asked her if she wanted to quit it, and she said nah, let's push through. It got a bit better, but it wasn't anything like I expected. I laughed at some stuff, but nothing like I expected to.

  • June 20, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to watch my JAWS dvd

    by STLost

    I got at Wal-mart for 5 bucks!

  • June 20, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    rate = rare

    by STLost

  • June 20, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    ROLE MODELS...

    by STLost

    I dunno...I think what bothers me are the stereotypical roles that they try and push too far. The black kid that cusses and likes boobies. Jane Lynch playing the Sue Slyvester Glee lady. The LARPer nerd. They're all turned up to 11, that it isn't funny, just like an SNL skit gone wrong.

  • June 20, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I would love to see TEMPLE OF DOOM

    by STLost

    in a theater again. <P> I remember my mom taking my brother and I to see it. We had no idea what was going to happen. She hated the dinner scene and we jumped and squirmed at the bug tunnel. Good times!

  • June 20, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    must....dodge...TOY STORY 3....spoilers..

    by STLost

  • June 20, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Heya ST

    by white_vader

    Sorry you didn't like Role Models. Although I generally can't stand Sean Inbred-eyes in anything I gave it a go and was really impressed. Of course those characters being so stereotypical is the entire point of the movie. We see them through the two main characters' eyes! <p> And if they DIDN'T start off so stereotypical then the arcs wouldn't have been as strong or the movie either. And we wouldn't have come as far in not only understanding them as people but (more impressively) understanding the germ of what drew them to those stereotypes and even more than that, instead of just excusing that behaviour, embracing it without excuses or qualification. <p> In most movies it's be the usual thing of all the therapyspeak and the larping kid or the swearing kid "really learning something today" and leaving their "weird" behaviour behind so that they can assimilate into the mainstream. Thank God they were brave enough in this movie to actually go through with it and AVOID that disingenuous trap - the larping kid wins on his own terms and inverts the title of the movie. I thought it was refreshingly honest. In that it treated the audience the same way as the two characters and did the hard yards to win them over. There was no 'seeing the error of your ways" crap for the larping kid that I recall (saw it when it first came out and might actually watch it again). And I liked stuff like the larp dick being a dick no matter whether it was d&d, or being a jock, or whatever. He was just a fuckin' dick. People are people and you gotta look beyond the window dressing. <p> And the Jane Lynch thing wasn't totally fair dude. This didn't come after Glee. And she has that delivery and those mannerisms in pretty much everything she's ever been in. It's like saying Robin Williams' films are lousy because he talks too fast. Sometimes they ARE lousy because of Robin Williams, and sometimes his CHOICE of movies is lousy, but that's not the same thing. She has the same strong mannerisms. <p> But then, the fact that this movie wasn't quite what I expected was EXACTLY what I enjoyed about it.

  • June 20, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Oh P.S. ST

    by white_vader

    I'm doing some fancy footwork of my own. I won't get to see Toy Story 3 until next week some time. Aargghh!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I guess, I see both points of view about ROLE MODELS,

    by Subtitles_Off

    though I fall more on the plus side. I'm not saying it's a particularly good movie, or memorable, but I recall being charmed by it. It was not mean-spirited, which is rare for comedy today. Can you imagine the Will Ferrell comedy about LARPing?<P>In the end, there was an apparent charm to the characters and the portrayals, even though there was no edge.

  • June 20, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    no, i know ROLE MODELS comes..

    by STLost

    before GLEE, I was just saying it's the same out there role as on GLEE, and thought it easier to explain her whole character by just saying sue sylvester. <P> Maybe what I'm trying to say is...it felt to me like some characters went the SNL skit route, where the joke is played out 2 minutes too long. I think that happened in ROLE MODELS. I thought the LARPing and how everyone learned a lesson was great... and the KISS clan was awesome, but I felt the movie for the most part fell flat.

  • June 20, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Sorry I missed last night

    by white_vader

    As always I did the catch-up and read all the posts. Looked like fun. <p> In the end I didn't get anything signed by Lou Ferrigno. The lines were a mile long and having the wife there to butter him up would only have worked if she didn't have 3 kids hanging off her as well. And you know how that goes - if you WANT to shake 'em, they're on you like glue! <p> So anyway I went around the corner to see the Spierig brothers talk about Daybreakers, which I enjoyed as being refreshingly unpretentious and leaden than those things have become. And considering they're doing DC 2 (which 80% of the questions were about even though they've only just come on and don't know WHAT they're doing yet) I had another interest. Things seemed quite positive there actually and they DO wanna work on the script, so who knows. And considering by the time pre starts I'll be destitute... So I had a quick chat and it looks like they had seen my stuff, so hopefully it'll all work out and I'll get out of the endless pitch work... <p> And my mate got me on the list so I didn't pay for a family of 5 to get in! Which offset the price of the food! Huzzah!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I agree Subs....

    by STLost

    it wasn't really mean spirited...almost a PG rated R movie. Maybe I'm so disillusioned with raunchy R rated far (SUPERBAD, etc) that I expected it to be more graphic than it was. <P> I might have to watch it again sometime, with that frame of mind: Innocence...a prairie with a warm summer breeze...unicorns.

  • June 20, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Glad the convention worked out..

    by STLost

    for you Vanilla! Sounded like a fun time!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Ok, off to bed...

    by STLost

    night Subs....night/morning/afternoon Vanilla

  • June 20, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Unicorns!

    by Subtitles_Off

    HA! I never thought of it as unicornish.<P>I just think, the natural direction to go would be to skewer the LARPers and turn the two leads into losers. To snicker at them and patronize the audience with the comforting idea of superiority.<P>You know, the kind of thing Ben Stiller has built his career on.

  • June 20, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I getcha ST

    by white_vader

    And I respect your take don't get me wrong. Ans the SNL skit thing is a comedy-show-wide thing. On telly AND in film. <p> Maybe the thing with Will Ferrel Subs is that he's been doing entirely TOO much larping! And i don't think Role Models even needed edge. How would that strengthen this particular tale? But like I say, that's just my take. You know I can generally see everyone's P.O.V.. I have love for the Peebs!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Oops. Night ST!

    by white_vader

    Afternoon here. And my Kebab is getting cold. <p> Subby, one thing I find is that sually the way Stiller's movies are written even down to dialogue, they're exactly the same as most Steve Carell movies. And I find that I prefer Carell every time. Stiller just seems like he's trying so hard to be 'on'. Like Tom Cruise. <p> The funniest thing about Stiller to me is that he's doing all that getting pumped/working out because he's so afraid of looking like his dad. <p> Actually... now it occurs to me, that's fair enough!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the typos

    by white_vader

    Even if you proofread there's always that one you see just after you hit post... <p> Lunchtime!

  • June 20, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Jane Lynch was FANTASTIC in BEST IN SHOW.

    by Subtitles_Off

    She's in "Glee"?<P>Nope. Still no reason to watch that show.

  • June 20, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Jane Lynch was also on "Criminal Minds"...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    as Spencer Reid's schizophrenic mother. <p>I love that show...

  • June 20, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Can y'all beleive Harry's Toy Story 3 review?

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    "The notion though of leaving childish things behind, giving your toys to the next generation... I loathe that conceit." Unbelievable...

  • June 20, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Harry...Conceit....Have the two of you met?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 20, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Harry...English language...cut the foreplay

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

  • June 20, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    "It is bad enough

    by Subtitles_Off

    that this family has never figured out the actual value of Woody in the collectibles sphere..."

  • June 20, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    "I like to think that Andy's father died in some manner

    by Subtitles_Off

    ... I always harbored the suspicion that WOODY was Andy's father's toy."

  • June 21, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Everybody's entitled.

    by Subtitles_Off

    This isn't a site about substantive film criticism. This is a site about hastily-formed, instinctive gut reactions.<P>He "loves" the movie and is obsessing over a little personal idea he's imposing upon it. He's being taken to task by Talkbackers who do exactly the same thing, constantly.<P>It's a very weird interdependence.

  • June 21, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Nytol...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Shelter question

    by Continentalop

    Can you post PDFs there?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Heya 'Lop

    by white_vader

    I think the all-knowledgable ones on that question are dreaming of fluffy sheep jumping fences.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:30 a.m. CST

    When everyone's up did anyone fill Crispy in

    by white_vader

    on our brotherly approach to spoilers here? I think quoting a spoiler-filled review constitutes a spoiler alert itself. <p> Anyway Crispy if you're still out there we try to keep it clean until everyone's seen whatever, or stick spoiler stickers all over. The mercy the Peebers showed to us slow-arsed Lost fans who haven't got to the last season yet was/is a beautiful thing.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Well 'nilla

    by Continentalop

    As long as they are only dreaming of sheep jumping fences and doing nothing else.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    our guests today

    by MacReady452

    Jada Pinkett Smith and Jason Lee. New shows starting means big guests.<p>I couldn't get them to ask Jada how she found the stones to ruin the Karate Kid.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    ha mac thats funny..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i wouldve asked jason lee how he took a wrong turn and ended up in ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS

  • June 21, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    live action TOY STORY opening..

    by Six Demon Bag

    http://tinyurl.com/3y9avge

  • June 21, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    ALVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by MacReady452

    Cash,mullah,duckets. The A #1 reason people do shit they normally wouldn't.<p>I like the look of Memphis Beat. I'll always give Lee a chance. What up Sixies!

  • June 21, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Morning all.

    by STLost

    Continentalop: You can upload pdf's to the Shelter. They would have to go in Batmanster's files, though.

  • June 21, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    now i think harry got CITIZEN KANE wrong..

    by Six Demon Bag

    when he compared it to toy story 3

  • June 21, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    morning all..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Ha 'lop

    by white_vader

    You heard the old saying? New Zealand, where the men are men - and the sheep are nervous.

  • June 21, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I think Lee said something about making a few for his kids

    by white_vader

    or kid. It was an interview in some skate mag a while back. That old chestnut. <p> I guess they can't exactly watch the Kevin Smith stuff or Earl. Which outstayed it's welcome, but I did love it for a while. Nice to see a man comfortable enough to turn his hair loss to creative and financial gain.

  • June 21, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Mac, I love hearing the guests thing

    by white_vader

    and the 'alternative questions list'!

  • June 21, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    i remember him in the 100% sonic youth vid..

    by Six Demon Bag

    spike jones directed.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Yeah Sixies

    by white_vader

    boy that's gotta be getting on to 20 years ago! Hayzeuss!

  • June 21, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Sorry, 'nilla. I didn't even think of Crispy's post,

    by Subtitles_Off

    quoting Harry, as a spoiler. Technically, it isn't, in a way, since Harry's interpretation is so strange and unsupported by the movie, but I understand your concerns.<P>Truly, though, Capone's review "spoiled" the movie, my review "spoiled" the movie, anyone who tells you how "emotional" it is "spoils" the movie, because they are telling you, ahead of time, what to think and how to respond to key moments. You know what? The trailers "spoil" the movie. Trailers always do. You cannot experience a film anymore as a thing that exists within a theater's walls subject to your own interpretation, unless you avoid any and all mention of it until the moment the previews end and the opening credits begin.<P>Having said that, you are going to want to skip my next post, completely.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Nilla...RE: LOST spoilers...

    by STLost

    yeah, we tried our best. How are you coming along with LOST? <P> After the finale, I think I posted about it for 2 days afterwards, then forgot about it.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Oh HERE you guys are

    by D.Vader

  • June 21, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    We didn't have a post since 8:32 CDT...

    by STLost

    and then three posts within 2 minutes of each other? The Peebs are tuned in.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I can't remember the movie...

    by STLost

    but I remember seeing the trailer, and saying to myself "I don't need to see it." The trailer basically laid out the movie, and revealed the twist.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Subs! D.Vader!

    by STLost

    howdy

  • June 21, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Just one question regarding TOY STORY 3

    by STLost

    My daughter is 5. She liked TOY STORY 1 and 2. Will she like 3?

  • June 21, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    RE: TOY STORY 3 and The Ending

    by Subtitles_Off

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER I have described the ending to 3 as "soaring." I believe it is a great moment, though it didn't move me to tears nor change my opinion of the weaknesses of the rest of the movie. I think Harry's take is off the mark. Way off the mark. But, I also think most of the things I've heard others say are off the mark, too - just not nearly as much. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER The ending isn't about what "Andy" does. The ending is about "Woody's" choice. If you pay attention to the opening action sequence and to Andy's description of his toys, you'll notice, in a few key instances, he's imposed upon the toys characters that are contrary to their established personalities. "Rex," for example, isn't "fierce." He's skittish and neurotic. THIS is the "eerie humanity" Ebert refers to in his review. THIS is the provocative conceit that has driven the entire saga. Toys have identities beyond what their owners put upon them. That's the fantasy. That's the story. And the toys' motivations are the key to my complete satisfaction with the ending. They are, after all, the characters in the story. Not me. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Harry looks at toys the same way he looks at movies: As things which only have value if he places value upon them. There's no intrinsic quality that can be rated and judged. There's nothing that can be learned that isn't first subjected to that prism. It's all about Harry's internal warm-n-fuzzies. Anyone who has ever read a piece written by Harry has to know that. To disagree is one thing. To be angry is pointless. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

  • June 21, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    ST. Yes, I think your daughter will like it.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    did you see harrys take on KANE?

    by Six Demon Bag

    that was even more off the mark..and to compare TS3 and KANE is..is..geez.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    my sons liked it..

    by Six Demon Bag

    one is 2 and the other 6.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    are we doing an unofficial SOME GUY?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Nah, I didn't, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think Harry is &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>always &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>off the mark, so I don't usually read him. I don't know, really, what made me want to read his take on 3. As always, I was stunned, but, more than anything, I was amused by the venom of the Talkbackers.<P>The herd-think is strong. "We must not allow a stray thought. We cannot think independently of The Swarm. We are ONE."

  • June 21, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    andy has approx. 10 minutes screen time in the

    by Six Demon Bag

    entire series..<P>so yeah its mainly about the toys and what they do..

  • June 21, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    No, on SOME GUY.

    by Subtitles_Off

    1.) Out of respect for 'nilla's request for no more spoilers.<P> 2.) Basically, one day after, I'm already mostly over it.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Actually, ST, there's a chance she may adore it.

    by Subtitles_Off

    One of the key new characters is a five year old girl. And she has more genuine personality in her five or six minutes than "Andy" has ever had over the course of three films.<P>The "darkness" that people refer to in this film is fairly mild. The villain in this isn't "Scar," after all.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    but it really isnt a stray thought..had this been blade runner in 82 and harry was the lone voice to say DECKARD MIGHT BE A REPLICANT and backed it up with substance FROM THE FILM it might not be hard to blast him..<P>but this is harry coming up with backstories and wishful dreams and hopes for a new trilogy and everything any fanboy has complained about not needing the big picture, this is the antethetical thesis.<P>we here at the pedalback have shown time and again that it is okay to have dissenting POVs if you can back it up and not resort to name calling..<P>we strayed for the herd way before we saw it heading for the slaughterhouse.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    SPOILER SPOILER

    by Six Demon Bag

    harry wants andy and that little girl to get married...so he can have SPOILER SPOILER woody back.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I said five. Maybe "Bonnie" is three or four.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Who knows about these things? If they say her age, I don't remember it. She's deffy pre-school age and cute as a button.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    hugs a lot was very STROTHER MARTIN..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see TOY STORY 3

    by STLost

    Just to read Harry's review

  • June 21, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    i would say 4ish..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    the garbage man is supposed to be SID

    by Six Demon Bag

    from TOY STORY.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    You're right, Sixies, but THAT'S HARRY.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's his personality. That's what created this site in the first place. <P>It's predictable, even, considering the way Harry fetishizes film.<P>As far as being substantive or supported by the film, I'd rank it on the silly scale just below "THE DARK KNIGHT is a masterpiece."

  • June 21, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    more TS3 eater eggs--SPOILERS!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    http://tinyurl.com/359o7jh

  • June 21, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    more TS3 easter eggs--SPOILERS!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    http://tinyurl.com/359o7jh

  • June 21, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    I still havent seen Toy Story 3 yet either

    by D.Vader

    So I will drop out of this talkback if this talk continues.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    but when you say DARK KNIGHT IS A MASTERPIECE and then start talking about your childhood batman toys and what you wish the NEXT film will be about..all the while, not talking about the present film.<P>i really dont know which is worse..NOT getting a review to a film he supposedly adores (KICKASS) or getting a "review" like this.<P>i understand that its ok to internalize or bring some personality to the review ..ebert pulls it off ALL the time..but he understands that people are reading him, and its not a journal entry to tuck under your pillow after youre done writing.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Jebus! How pointless THAT all is.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's akin to animators drawing penis-shaped castles for the covers of videos.<P>The biggest Easter Egg in the thing - one you don't need an index and a magnifying glass for - is the appearance of a classic Studio Ghibli character.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Well, not ALL trailers Subby!

    by white_vader

    I bet Rango won't be spoiled by what we've seen! <p> I really liked the Bug's life one with the leaf & Heimlich eating it. I don't know why people seem to hate that one so much! <p> Yeah yeah I know, they're teaser trailers. I've mentioned in here before about why Zemeckis gives away the whole game ON PURPOSE in his trailers haven't I (goddamn it What Lies Beneath was a waste of time and money for that reason)? Bloody marketing man, bloody focus groups...

  • June 21, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    You're welcome to turn the conversation in any direction you cho

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    *ose, Vader.*

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    One of the books my daughter has..

    by STLost

    from the library has penis-shaped turrets on this blow up jumping castle. I was watching as my wife first read it to our daughter, and on the last page, some princesses were jumping on it, and we noticed the turrets.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Sixies, come on. Be fair.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Ebert is a writer. Harry is just someone who puts words in a certain order.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    LAWDY! JONAH HEX barely made $5 million.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Anybody know how much it cost to make that thing?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Re: easter eggs..

    by Six Demon Bag

    well mainly those are for the animators..and yeah i got the TOTORO character. that was nice.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    How do you think they'll spin that?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Anti-Western or anti-Comic Book?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    5 million for the whole weekend?!

    by STLost

    wow. I'm sure that puppy cost at least 40-50 million

  • June 21, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    "Ebert is a writer....

    by STLost

    Harry is just someone who puts words in a certain order." <P> Can we put that on a plaque or something? I love that Subs!

  • June 21, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Sixies!

    by Subtitles_Off

    You're going to make Vades run screaming from the room!<P>There's a reason I referred to it as "a classic Studio Ghibli character."

  • June 21, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    lord knows the marketing budget was not too much..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    That'll end up being a loss for Warners.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Geoff Johns is 0 for 1 in his new job.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    A mistake of comparable magnitude to

    by Subtitles_Off

    LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN and CATWOMAN. A real shame, because the comic is, by design, one of the more cinematic ones out there. They draw the character to look like Clint Eastwood, fer crying out loud.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    HEX cost 80 million..

    by Six Demon Bag

    they are lucky they split HARRY POTTER 7 into two films.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Anti-film?

    by STLost

    Abomination to all that is holy? <P> Satan's handiwork?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Anti-film! HA!

    by Subtitles_Off

    I don't know, ST. I won't see it. We'll have to ask 'Lop.<P>I find it really hard to believe, though, that it is, inherently, any more of an insult to film than TWILIGHT, or SEX IN THE CITY, or, for that matter, SHREK.<P>I'm always rather amazed by what surfs the zietgeist and what sinks. It seems, more often than not, completely arbitrary to me.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    HEX failure=Pro-Bay

    by Six Demon Bag

    anti-megan fox.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    "Fake" Peter David is the "real" Peter David.

    by Subtitles_Off

    My bad. I just assumed.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    SEX and the CITY

    by Six Demon Bag

    well as far as the films are concerned, i can tell you that they at least as a semblance of a plot ands it seemed like the production was organized and they had a common goal and desire to either continue the tale or milk a franchise, apparently they succeeded..<P>HEX seems like a halfbaked idea at best, intended to ride the comic wave and attempt to create another franchise.<P>but they forgot a plot, hired a rookie director after the first few directors left..<P>films that try to movie forward because theyve already spent to much on it to scuttle it, and limp with no dignity to the release date, ALWAYS ALWAYS are bad.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I was just making up an absurd joke...

    by STLost

    for your anti-comic/anti-western post. <P> I'll probably never see JONAH HEX. I've heard of the comic, but never was interested in reading it. I saw the trailers for the movie and they did &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>nothing &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>for me. There wasn't one thing in them that made me go "hmm, I might see that."

  • June 21, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Speaking of trailers...Have you seen the one

    by Subtitles_Off

    where Hex vomits a crow?<P>Single dumbest effect I've seen since the bullet flattened on Scrawnyman's eyeball.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    heheh, SUPERMAN RETURNS...

    by STLost

    I remember that trailer with the whole bullet/eyeball thing. The theory of it is better than the execution.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    is Hex supernatural?

    by STLost

    why would he vomit a crow? Is he some kind of Native American god and it's some kind of creation myth unfolding before our eyes?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Beats me, ST.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Jonah Hex" has been many things in the comics, including, absurdly, a vampire hunter and a time-traveler. He was raised by Native Americans, according to his comic-book origins. I've never read any of the stories in which he demonstrated super-powers.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    See? For me, even the THEORY of the squashed bullet

    by Subtitles_Off

    could not be more wrong.<P>Superman, as any kid can tell you, is "faster than a speeding bullet." He also the ability to focus his "x-ray vision" into an intensely hot laser. He's also almost invunerable. You've got several ICONIC choices for an effect involving Superman and bullets. He can dodge them with speed. He can let them bounce off his chest. Or, he can train his heat vision on them and explode them harmlessly in mid-air.<P>Having the damned thing flatten in slow motion against his eyeball is just the kind of useless thing that some jerkwad in front of a computer things would look really, really cool.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    im antsy..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i want to SK to tell me i won a ST3 soundtrack..

  • June 21, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    *also has the ability*

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    things would look cool = THINKS

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Also, "jerkwad" is prolly unnecessarily harsh.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Jerkwad gotta eat.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    haha

    by STLost

    Well, my "theory" post was just that, I would want to know what would happen if a bullet went and hit Superman in the eye. What would happen? Would it go through and he'd regenerate? would it bounce off?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Man, I'm in trouble now.

    by Subtitles_Off

    'nilla's gonna come on and inform me that I just called the nicest, smartest, most creative person (next to him) associated with that entire production a jerkwad.<P>Me and my stoopid big mouth.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    maybe it wouldn't bounch off

    by STLost

    like in the movie. I'd think it would do something to his eye, wouldn't you? Like make it ripple a bit? <P> But I guess it's better that he'd move faster than the speeding bullet and get the bad guy. <P> Maybe that's why I never finished watching SUPERMAN RETURNS.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    didnt tedders find SUPERMAN 3 on dvd for $5??

    by Six Demon Bag

    do i feel another liveblog in the works?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Really, ST? You've actually wondered?

    by Subtitles_Off

    "The Hulk's eyeballs can beat up Superman's eyeballs!"<P>"They cannot! Superman's eyeballs can flatten bullets!"<P>"No way! Even Batman can't flatten bullets with his eyeballs!"<P>"I'll betcha!"<P>Greatest childhood argument, ever.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    just once..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i want a celebrity to say FUCK OFF to rehab!!<P>you get caught drinking and driving..take the probation and whatnot but tell betty ford to go fuck herself cause you DONT HAVE A PROBLEM!! and you do a line of blow of lady justices tits.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Ah, the much-maligned SUPERMAN 3.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Contains my favorite weird-ass moments of all the Superman films.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I only wondered because you brought up..

    by STLost

    the bullet in the eye a few posts above. :) I don't think about comics THAT much, if at all.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    yeah that scene in SUPERMAN RETURNS

    by Six Demon Bag

    was inserted to win a childhood bet for some nameless visual effects man..<P>take that scotty benson!!!

  • June 21, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    the supercomputer that goes nuts...

    by STLost

    and "assimilates" the bad guys?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    I gotcha, ST.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Nah. "Grumpy" Superman

    by Subtitles_Off

    fighting Clark Kent in the junkyard.<P>"Grumpy" Superman swears and drinks and whores around. "Grumpy" Superman interests me more than "Stalker" Superman.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    How soon can you get superman 3 subs?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 21, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    hehe...grumpy Superman.

    by STLost

  • June 21, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Oh man! I just read Harry's take on CITIZEN KANE.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Kane's childlike, innocent soul skips off to Heaven,

    by Subtitles_Off

    having been redeemed by a deathbed whisper.<P> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • June 21, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I guess that's one way of looking at it.

    by Subtitles_Off

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • June 21, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    hes justifying his review of TOY STORY 3

    by Six Demon Bag

    and how he perceived it by the ending and theme of KANE..<P>yet he fucked it up horribly..

  • June 21, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    What's this "Vietnam Andy" bullsh!t?

    by Subtitles_Off

    TOY STORY 3 is clearly set in the present day. Laptop computers. Cell phones. Internet Messaging. And, Andy is seventeen years old. When is the story supposed to have occurred?<P>Granted, considering the nostalgic element of Woody and Jessie being based off puppets from a 50s TV show, you could argue there are time details that are a bit muddled, but where - oh, where - does anybody get off suggesting Andy exists in a time-line where he could be drafted to Vietnam?

  • June 21, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Obviously I'm not reading reviews of TS3 for

    by white_vader

    a week or so yet, but somehow I think I can miss Harry's one even after... <p> "Redeemed"?! Zuh?

  • June 21, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I actually hate it when Harry gets REALLY excited

    by white_vader

    about a flick. Because then his writing REALLY goes apeshit crazy. That kid...

  • June 21, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    harry was regaling YOU of HIS toy..his "andy toy" that was destroyed and then became a legless action figure--hence he came back from vietnam..

  • June 21, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Haha! Subs you're feeling guilty

    by white_vader

    For doing the good old blame-the-computer-guys thing, heh! Blame someone higher up. - Like the peons tell the director and writers what to do! Anyway thanks for the sort-of-concern, but I thought I'd made it fairly plain that I call it Supes Lifts Things too. It won't bother me, and besides, I don't remember that you've never actually conceded anything before to spare my thoughts! Go to it, paisan. You can be our grumpy Superman! <p> ST, I thought it DID ripple? <p> And nah Subs, I won't tell you that about the guy next to me, 'cause he wasn't! <p> And having bullets flatten against the chest is less useless? If he's impervious, who really cares? It comes down to what one person thinks looks cool vs another. Personally I agree with you though and reckon the chest works because you're emphasising his strength through the barrel chest, you're getting more good metaphor in there through the bullets being deflected by the symbol, and you've got his stance of defiantly leaning into it with torso forward & hands on hips - confident body language. But the point is, you can spin it for the other way too. And if they'd done the eye in the comics you'd probably argue the other way, even though here's a guy in print for decades who can't figure out that this chick is just gonna keep fucking his job right up. <p> My guess is that they wanted to do something different because we've seen the other plenty of times before and they're thinking in terms of motion rather than a still comic book frame. While also forgetting that the rest of the film is a repeat of the first one anyway... but hey, these were the guys that had me work on a science-fiction-y rocket launcher which they suddenly replaced with a vietnam-era one because they wanted to ground it in uh, reality. I asked the rest of the fellas if these people knew it was about a guy that flies... anyway from memory I think they actually cut out the cool bit of that sequence where he incapacitates the robbers by rolling them up in the copter blades. And from memory (haven't seen it since back then) wasn't there a whole lotta pointless buildup with guys going up the stairs or something? Anyway, people who tell you that comics and storyboards for film are essentially the same thing aren't doing their job very well. It may be the closest analogy, but it's not a very good one. <p> Speaking of that sorta chest vs eye thing though, you know what I liked about the Burton Batman design? The black outfit which made sense with the bright yellow logo so that they aim at his best-protected body part rather than his face. Batman gotta breathe! <p> At my school it was always the "Superman could beat Flash in a race" chestnut.

  • June 21, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    'nilla, this is the KANE stuff. All refs to 3 removed.

    by Subtitles_Off

    AsimovLives?<br> by HEADGEEKJun 21st, 2010 @ 03:40:27 AM <br> ...The biggest problem I had writing the review was the hang up of looking like a dork that says, "KEEP YOUR CHILDHOOD CLOSE". <br> Of course, I learned this ABSURD notion of mine from CITIZEN KANE. The entire fucking point of the movie is to not lose that item that gave you your greatest joy. I mean. That's the ultimate solution to the mystery. Never lose that which gives you joy. If you do, you die a tired weary old man. <P>And, a wise retort...<P> Harry, I think you also missed the point of Citizen Kane.<br> by V'ShaelJun 21st, 2010 @ 03:58:38 AM <br>The lesson wasn't hang on with the grim grip of death to whatever gives you joy. It was about how one man was driven for success and a variety of other things. None of which ultimately mattered. Because wealth and power do not necessarily make you happy. <br> He could have been happy with a wife and kids and a good family and friends. A George Bailey type of existence. But he didn't take that path in life. And on his deathbed, he HAD to go all the way back to his childhood to find one truly happy memory. <br> The morale was NOT to hang on to your childhood...

  • June 21, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Oh and if Flick turns up

    by white_vader

    I think you were asking about Guardians and if I was on it? Nah, dodged that bullet (haw! Superman humour!) - I was on a comic book movie I think at the time. Not sure what's happening with that. They've got SO much still to do on Guardians. Hoo-boy. I wonder if Zach will get hauled over the coals for barely being around like Burton on Bride? <p> And yep I remember you saying you know the author. Are the books good? I think that sorta thing may work best in a book. We'll see I guess. <p> Anyway gotta get to bed. Nearly 4 in the morning. You can probably tell from the posts I'm getting loopy. Night.

  • June 21, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Wow thanks Subs!

    by white_vader

    That Harry, he so crazy! Now really. Bed.

  • June 21, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Nah, I might against it in the comics, too.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "We've seen the other countless times"<P>Well, I've never seen the heat vision / bullets popping thing and the bouncing off the chest symbol is something they can still do any number of cool, original ways.<P>My point is effects should serve the story, not just some sense of "cool." Where that sense of cool originates is basically irrelevant to me. Whether it was Singer, the director, or Whoever, the writer, or Whoever Else, the story-boarder. A shot like that eyeball sequence only exists because there are computer programs that can create it. It is a shot that serves no purpose beyond manufacturing a "wow" response.<P>Also, if the concern is "movement" why does the sequence slow to a crawl? Is it wrong for my mind to lurch out of my cinema seat and shout "comic book panel" loud enough for the popcorn vendor in the lobby to respond, "What defuck?"

  • June 21, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    'Night, 'nilla.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    You might what against it?

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Argue" against it.<P> "Be" against it.<P> I dunno. I thought I'd see how many verbs I can spare today.

  • June 21, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I saw the GA'HOOLE trailer yesterday.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Ega'd!<P>That looks like the squashed bullet effect, multiplied by a thousand.<P>I know nothing of those books. I wonder what Flick's friend thinks of that trailer.

  • June 21, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    that was the first trailer we saw saturday..

    by Six Demon Bag

    and i watched lil demons eyes sparkle at the fact owls were flying all over the place..

  • June 21, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    What's the Will Ferrell-voiced thing?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Am I wrong to think that looks like more fun than DESPICABLE ME?

  • June 21, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    MEGAMIND!

    by Six Demon Bag

    yeah that looks more interesting..i have no interest in DESPICABLE ME or SMURFS..<P>CATS and DOGS 2..pass.

  • June 21, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    megamind looks like a nice spoof of superman..

    by Six Demon Bag

    time will tell.

  • June 21, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Harry's take on Kane's ending

    by D.Vader

    Close, but very flawed. V'Shael put him in his place.

  • June 21, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Vades.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    TS3 vs the HOLOCAUST..

    by Six Demon Bag

    http://tinyurl.com/2ds5waq

  • June 21, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Subs, RE: Cool

    by Continentalop

    I noticed you mentioning "cool" when referring to things that happened in the Superman film, as in you don't care if they are cool as long as they serve the story. <P> That follows along my theory, cool is only cool if you have a "because" with it. <p> Example: If someone made another Superman movie and showed him as a kid and said "wouldn't it wicked cool if he accidentally shot his pet dog with his heat vision? That would be cool!" Nope it would not. <P> But if a filmmaker said "You know, it might be cool if Clark Kent as a young kid accidentally killed the pet dog with his heat vision, BECAUSE he would learn an incredible lesson there: he has to have complete control over his powers and himself or he might hurt people, especially his loved ones. That might be cool." <p> Eli Roth, Rob Zombie, The Crank duo and Michael Bay are definitely not 'Because" guys.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    My GA'HOOLE is killing me

    by Continentalop

    I can barely sit down. I don't even want to know what happened after I passed out, and who was guarding it.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Stretch Armstrong would break, bending that far.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Sometimes, a garbage dump is just a garbage dump.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    That last was RE: Sixies' Holocaust link, and,

    by Subtitles_Off

    nope, I don't really want to engage the idea, because it sort of offends me.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    ...GA'HOOLE...yeah, I'm very curious to hear her...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...thoughts too. <P> Based on the trailer, I think that movie could go either way. I think any time you have talking animals, the way you stylize them, or don't stylize them, or the balance in between is very important...I can't tell yet if I'm on board.<P> The music in the trailer doesn't set a great tone, but the flying looks pretty great.<P> I enjoy good 3-D for animated stuff, so in my book...if they pull off an exciting movie that captures the silent rush of an owl flying in 3-D...that'll be quite something.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I'd prefer it if Li'l Clark's pet dog dies because

    by Subtitles_Off

    he doesn't use his heat vision, someway, to save it, but I get what you mean, 'Lop.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I love krazy film theory

    by Continentalop

    I had no interest in seeing TS3 until that article. <P> I want to break that out at dinner parties.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Well that was just an example Subs

    by Continentalop

    I am not advocating dogicide with heat vision. Just that if a filmmaker has a rational why it is happening in context of the story and theme, it always works better IMO. <P>

  • June 21, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    My initial take on that GA'HOOLE trailer was:

    by Subtitles_Off

    "GAWD that looks boring. Very pretty but very boring. That can't be a Zack Snyder movie, can it?"<P>Then, ocean or rain began splashing against owl feathers in big, slow motion drops, and my brain called my eyes retarded, so we had that whole argument.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Jonah Hex has a lot of "cool" moments

    by Continentalop

    And not one fucking "because."

  • June 21, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Isn't GA'HOOLE a video game?

    by Continentalop

  • June 21, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Yep, 'Lop and amen.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But don't you agree that entire films are greenlit these days on the basis of how "cool" the effects would be without any consideration to theme, story or reason?

  • June 21, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Can you explain the whole crow-vomitting thing, since you've see

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    GA'HOOLE, I thought, was a childrens book.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Good afternoon, Flick.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Get some stuff done this morning?

  • June 21, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Oh, I agree Subs. We live in a world with no "because"

    by Continentalop

    And the crow in Jonah Hex symbolizes how the writers and/or the director had no clue how to keep the audience fucking interested in the film.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Wait! Is the trailer for GA'HOOLE

    by Continentalop

    Just shots of the birds flying as the camera follows behind them? <P> Because if that is the case, I thought that was a trailer for a video game.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Pretty much. With bits of owls

    by Subtitles_Off

    talking about Owl-Promised Land in-between.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Owl-Promised Land

    by Continentalop

    Owl-topia.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The crow is a symbol of death

    by D.Vader

    Is Hex a wild west version of The Crow? Or is it the crow that gave him powers?

  • June 21, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Sixies, we should've planned a JAWS live-blog.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    ...afternoon, all. Yeah, but I have to keep at it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I've idealized full working days during my period of stay at home dadhood...I'd forgotten how anxious the beginning of a big project is...<P> This is good, it's the tedium that gets you when you're watching a small child...now my baby days will seem pleasantly restful by comparison.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    One thing Hex has never been, in the comics,

    by Subtitles_Off

    is stuck between life and death. I've read, in the movie, it is implied he straddles the line. I don't know if 'Lop can confirm or deny.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    In the movie,

    by Subtitles_Off

    he's Constantine in a cowboy hat?

  • June 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by Continentalop

    Yeah, the crows are psychopomps. When he "originally" dies they have a murder of them congest around him and then fly off (and which Indian tribe nurses him back to health? The CROWS). <P> But it popping out of his mouth was just pointless mystical silliness. I mean, first of all who the fuck ARE these indians helping him and why? There is no reason why they do it except for the fact that they are Indians, and Indian shaman nurse white men back to health according to the movies. <P> And secondly, why have all this mystical heebee jebees? Even Hex's necromantic powers are such an after thought and barely used I imagined that they were added in pickups. <P> It is literally the "Wouldn't that be cool" thing we were talking about earlier. No rhyme or reason, just stupidity.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ...I'd love it if GA'HOOLE could capture the feeling...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of what it might be like to be an owl...and the trailer has hints of promise in this department...I'm not expecting much, but we'll see.<P> I pet peeve of mine is movies that have animal protagonists, but everything just feels normal. Like you've swapped animals for people, but everything feels the same.<P> We know from watching something like WINGED MIGRATION that a bird's perspective feels, sounds, and looks very different...space is different, light is different, and wind is life.<P> I think that if you could really catch some of that it'd be pretty exhilarating...especially in 3-D.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Um, Flick...

    by Subtitles_Off

    isn't it about owls going to war against hawks? Wearing armor?

  • June 21, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Subs he doesn't straddle the line

    by Continentalop

    Save for how they filmmakers try to imply that. I don't see how his near death and ability to talk to the dead changes who he is at all. THe fact that he is angry and bitter and desiring revenge is what characterizes him - his "straddling the line" plays no part in his character. <P> I really need to read an earlier draft of that script because I am convinced that 90% of the crap in it was added in later rewrites, changes on set or in the editing room, or during reshoots, It just has the feel of constant tickering for the worst.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    i thought the song in the OWL trailer

    by Six Demon Bag

    was cool too..i was too busy watching my son smile and brighten when he saw the birds fly around on the big screen.<P>i too cannot believe that its a snyder film. its probably the smartest thing he could do is follow watchmen with this.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    "Indian shaman nurse white men back to health."

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's WHAT THEY DO!<P> Shaman gotta eat.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    still can..

    by Six Demon Bag

    but that movie can tend to leave me speechless.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Just saw the GA'HOOLE trailer

    by Continentalop

    Not my bag, but I don't have kids. It might be a good film to take them to see. <P> Personally I think all kids should see Human Centipede. Helps them learn about the digestive system.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Hey, don't squeeze the Shaman, eh.

    by Continentalop

  • June 21, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    re: holocaust theories..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i dont particularily follow those thoughts, but it was interesting.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    HUMAN CENTIPEDE/TAKEN double feature..

    by Six Demon Bag

    show your children these:<P>you wanna travel abroad..thats fine, but you watch these first and you can go wherever you want.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    ...Subs, you're being facetious, right?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it'd be possible to do all the things I talked about and still have anthropomorphic birds that talk and do humanish things...I was talking about the perspective, the point of view. <P> If you cold drop your consciousness into an owl, what might that feel like? In WINGED MIGRATION, we're still humans, but we see from a bird's perspective, we hear the constant creak of the wings...

  • June 21, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Hey I've got a scene where native Americans...

    by D.Vader

    ... Nurse a white man back to health. But without that scene, I've got no movie. I'm keeping it, cliched as it might be.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but D. Vader...

    by Continentalop

    Do you at least explain WHY the Indians nurse him back to health? Because Hex doesn't do that AT ALL.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    And I mean literally no explanation

    by Continentalop

    The indians find him, take him back to champ and perform some mystical ceremony on him, and then he rides off and they never say a word to each other during the entire time or when he leaves. <P> And this happens TWICE.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    ...I'd nurse a Native American back to health for no...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...particular reason.<P> Actually, that's not true. I'd secretly tag him in hopes he'd lead me back to his pot of gold.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    hey jonah..just sit still and relax...

    by Six Demon Bag

    im gonna heal ya cause you look like shit and i feel bad for ya. <P>plus it would be cool.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    ...Conti, it's because he talks to dead people and shit...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that's strong magic. Movie Indians can smell that from miles away.<P> I don't know the character and haven't seen the movie. I have no idea what I'm talking about.

  • June 21, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Well Flick, you might not

    by Continentalop

    But that still means you are one leg up on the people who made it.

  • June 21, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    ..."And this happens TWICE". Wouldn't do it twice...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...though...fuck you Tonto, I got shit to do.<P> First one's for free, but the second one's going to cost you.<P> And maybe you should think about a different line of work.

  • June 21, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    No Conti, I dont

    by D.Vader

    It's just your typical House of Healing situation. My character needs to be healed and taken to another location. Having a native American do it made more sense to me bc a) all movie Indians know how to heal, and b) it's important that the healer doesn't know who the victim is. <p> Doesnt have to be a native American who does it. But the motive is a definite "goodness of the heart" situation.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I went to a native American Shaman,

    by Subtitles_Off

    and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Facetious to a point, Flick. Dead serious to a fault.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The film you describe sounds poetic and beautiful and undeniably awesome.<P>I expect as much of that from GA'HOOLE as I expected HAPPY FEET to teach me about surviving south pole conditions.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    i went to a native american shaman

    by Six Demon Bag

    and i i got was a happy ending..<P>talk about a house of healing.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    i bet hex wishes he were raised by wolves, instead.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Magical wolves with tongues that heal scars.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    D. Vader, I hardly imagine your scene is like this one

    by Continentalop

    I imagine, you know your indian, is like a real person or character, not a band aid to handle an inconvenient plot situation. <p> I mean, it is hard to describe the scene in Jonah Hex other than Hex is dying and they need some quick way to get him back in the story again. <P> "Hey, of course. Magical Indians!" <P> The fucking Indians never even react to Jonah, or talk or interact with him in any way. They don't even show them finding him - just cut to inside of a teepee and them chanting and him vomiting a bird (I give the Indians credit there - how many white men have died through the years because White doctors didn't properly diagnose them suffering from "Spirit Crow in the throat." <P> Fucking lazy, lazy, lazy filmmaking.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    "Spirit Crow of the throat"

    by Subtitles_Off

    I heard you catch that from infected blankets.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Lets put it this way D. Vader

    by Continentalop

    You got a script about a mountain man, you can have a scene where he stumbles into a cave with a bear and fights him. The scene can either feel natural or forced. <P> The Indian scene in Hex was so forced I thought Brolin was trying to scream "stop" but there was a crow in his mouth.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    That does sound lazy Conti

    by D.Vader

    I mean it happens TWICE? And why would they start off with the mystical healing? Why not stick with traditional methods first?<p> Anyway, my case is just a man left for dead who is pitied by the one who finds him. I actually hadn't anticipated using the Indian any more than that, as the story involves what happens to the man after he is healed (this is the opening act I'm discussing). But thanks to you Conti, I'm thinking of ways I could work him into the main story and not just the beginning.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    spirit crow?

    by Six Demon Bag

    is that like whooping cough?<P>or more like camel toe?

  • June 21, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Cut. Cut. Cut. Josh, I can't understand a single thing you're saying."<P>"I odda oh ih eye ow."<P>"You gotta crow in your mouth? Great! We can use that! Let's take it from the top. Quiet on the set!"

  • June 21, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    The first time isn't so bad

    by Continentalop

    It is the second time that make you go "Jesus. How many times do Indians stumble on this guy when he is dying? And is it the same Indians?" <P> They never say one way or the other. Just confusing and stupid.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    maybe the added the second indian healing scene

    by Six Demon Bag

    to stretch the running time..

  • June 21, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag, I have a feeling

    by Continentalop

    They cut the second Indian Healing scene down and originally he talked with them and they passed on some of their "wisdom" but the filmmakers thought the scene was to boring or something like that. <P> Really, what I am getting here is CONTEXT. Any scene works if it is done in the right context with the movie. <P> It is the difference between good action scenes or sex scenes or bad ones. Some film part of the story, if even they just pop up out of nowhere or "just" happen, others feel forced and contrived as hell. <P> Hell falls in the contrived category.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Makes you wonder if there's a limit to

    by Subtitles_Off

    Native American Shaman patience.<P> "Jonah. You one stupid white man. You die three times now. We come long way whenever you want? We got better things to do. Why you no cook crow and use knife and fork like other white man? And, also, you ugly. This last time, Jonah. Next time, you go to magical wolves."

  • June 21, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    you get sick jonah..

    by Six Demon Bag

    stop sleeping with megan fox girl..<P>we take her dick last week. she man.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I think the Indians should have Hex's picture

    by Continentalop

    On their Teepees. <P> "Do not accept checks from this man."

  • June 21, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Chris Klein's kinda a dummy, huh?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Dr. Drew has been offering C-lebs millions to come to his rehab, so he can make another VH-1 series, but Klein goes to Utah?

  • June 21, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Sixies was incorrect.

    by TedKordLives

    I paid 50 cents for SUPERMAN 3, not 5 bucks. <P> That'd just be silly. <P> Heya gang.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    So, JONAH Sux?

    by TedKordLives

    Wotta suprise.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Subby.

    by TedKordLives

    The Clark/Superjerk junkyard showdown is the reason I bought S3. Just Superjerk in general is worth 50 cents.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    "You'll be good again, Superman!

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's me, Timmy! Hey, Superman! Want some dog food?"

  • June 21, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Teddy, the showdown in Superman 3 is great

    by Continentalop

    One of the few things in that film that was executed good. <P> I heard a lot of different stories about what the plot was going to be in that film, but I think the script they used in SM3 was originally intended to be Luthor, Red Kryptonite and Brainiac. <P> Unfortunately Hackman refused to be in the movie and the producers went nuts with the idea of Pryor.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Hiya, Teddy.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "What are YOU looking at!!!"

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Jesus, wash a cape, would ya?"<P>"Am I right? Super Pee Yew!"

  • June 21, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    To think Katie holmes couldve been divorced

    by Six Demon Bag

    To Klein by now..

  • June 21, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    To think Katie holmes couldve been divorced

    by Six Demon Bag

    To Klein by now..

  • June 21, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes had a thing with Chris Klein?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Sixies, how do you know these things?

  • June 21, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Richard Pryor skiing off a skyscraper...

    by TedKordLives

    That's what it's all about, right there.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Everyone knows that Subs

    by Continentalop

    Operation Clambake used to talk about it all the time.

  • June 21, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    "Everyone knows that Subs"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Like I'mma nobody?<P>What - or who - is Operation Clambake?

  • June 21, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Don't worry, I was joking

    by Continentalop

    I don't expect people to know celebrity gossip. But I did know it in advance because of this site: <P> http://tinyurl.com/2ko29

  • June 21, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    'Lop, what sort of PDF were you wanting to post?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Is it a text document? Maybe we could turn it into an Archive page instead. PDFs require Adobe to view, don't they? I know some Peebers don't have Adobe.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah they were engaged ubtil

    by Six Demon Bag

    Uber Tom came to breed

  • June 21, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert calls Cameron Diaz a "movie star."

    by Subtitles_Off

    Yeah. Maybe he HAS lost it.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Does anybody know for certain if Holmes

    by Subtitles_Off

    bowed out of TDK or was bowed? I've never seen that explained.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    My belief...

    by TedKordLives

    Is that Tom vetoed TDK on account of what befalls Katie's character. <P> But that's just me.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Just some of my own writings Subs

    by Continentalop

    I'll probably do it as a text format or HTML Document. Still trying to figure out the best way to post things at the shelter. <P> I work with computers all day and I really have no fucking idea how to use them...

  • June 21, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    BTW - I totally f'ed up the 1980's Ass-Kickers Squad

    by Continentalop

    How the hell do you do a 80's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-style team and NOT have Buckaroo Banzai as a member?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    And no...

    by Continentalop

    My writings will not be about the Ass-Kickers Squad. You can only take that joke so far.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Well, unless typefont is real critical,

    by Subtitles_Off

    we can just copy from a text document to an Archive page, very simply.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately typefont is critical

    by Continentalop

    So is formatting.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Doesn't Buckaroo Banzai exist in the future?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Ah. Well I think you can upload any sort of file.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But then, you're taking chances with what the viewer sees when he or she opens it. PDF probably is the best way, then, after all. Besides, Adobe Reader is a free download, anyway.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Does he?

    by Continentalop

    I haven't seen that film in years. I should really check it out again.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Actually I CAN just cut and paste it

    by Continentalop

    It looks like google keeps the formating from a text document with layout. So problem solved.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Actually, maybe it's the past.

    by Subtitles_Off

    BANZAI, according to Wiki, is a fifty-year-long story that begins in the middle.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    "What's that watermelon doing here?"

    by TedKordLives

    "I'll tell you later."

  • June 21, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Reddy, do you know what year it's set in?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Is it The 80s?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Reddy says, "I don't, but maybe Teddy does."

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    ...who wants NSFW Helen Mirren...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in New York Magazine?<P> Going once...going twice...

  • June 21, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I believe it's set in the present.

    by TedKordLives

    So, 1984?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Me, me, me, me.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Work means nothing to me!

  • June 21, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    But, if it's a 50-year story that begins in 1938,

    by Subtitles_Off

    the date would be closer to 1965 or something, no?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    ...OK, here goes...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I have to warn you, it's a current photo...<P> http://nymag.com/guides/summer/2010/66750/<P> Click on VIEW THE SLIDESHOW under the first pic.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    That doesn't make sense either.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Cause all the fashion and stuff is 80s-ish. Just ignore me, 'Lop.<P>How &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>could &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>you have an Ass-Kickers Squad for The 80s without Buckaroo Banzai??!!?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Speaking hot women in magazines

    by Continentalop

    I did not know Gavin Rossdale had such an f'ing hot daughter. <p> http://tinyurl.com/36jr8hk

  • June 21, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Eegah!

    by TedKordLives

    No thanks, Flick. I DO, however, know a lady in Receiving that will be thrilled when that issue hits.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    She should get out of the tub.

    by Subtitles_Off

    She's getting all wrinkly.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Actually the question is Subs

    by Continentalop

    Why do you even need an Ass-Kickers Squad in the 80s when you have Buckaroo Banzai and the Hong Kong Cavaliers?

  • June 21, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    ...that bathwater is pretty cloudy...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I vetoed at least three unappetizing jokes...because I like Helen Mirren.<P> I have standards.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Good for Dame Mirren

    by Continentalop

    Somewhere there is an 80-year old man going "That is one hot piece of young tale."

  • June 21, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    ...no I don't...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that bathwater is pretty cloudy...<br> <br>She must be leaking somewhere...

  • June 21, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Tale? I mean tail

    by Continentalop

    I hate posting and working at the same time. Makes me look like an even bigger idiot.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Gwen Steffani is FURIOUS.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Very diplomatic of you, Flick.

    by TedKordLives

    You get the golf clap for that.

  • June 21, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    ...I like to be told hot pieces of young tale...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...by someone with a Rhona Mitra accent.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Ha Flick! That would be a good PBS series

    by Continentalop

    "Hot Pieces of Young Tales", as narrated by Rhona Mitra.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I saw that video last week or two

    by D.Vader

    It's kind of amazing.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    ...that LIFE documentary would be prime...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Jake cradling material if it was narrated by Rhona Mitra instead of Oprah.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    "Today's tale,

    by Subtitles_Off

    which is very young, and very hot, is about a boy and his conch. Snuggle up, won't you, lads. That's it, all warm and cozy in your jammies. We'll begin, as we always do, in the middle and share just a piece."

  • June 21, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Here's to your conch, Pebrews!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • June 21, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Hiya, Col!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    How was the liveblog?

    by ColonelFatheart

    Sorry I missed it.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I was too busy dancing to New Wave hits

    by ColonelFatheart

    like the tall, uncoordinated white dude I am at a pretty cool little club.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Conti

    by TedKordLives

    Any thoughts on these proposed Marvel mini-movies (or 'shorts')? <P> Anyone?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    It was fun.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Flick kept making noises with his armpits like farts, but other than that...

  • June 21, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Heya Col.

    by TedKordLives

    Sounds like fun.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Teddy, are they serials? Animated?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm in favor of the return of movie shorts. As long as it catches on and isn't just limited to Marvel Comics superheroes.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Might as well keep on dancing.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • June 21, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    That's what they invented New Wave for.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Uncoordinated white dudes who wanted to dance.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    It sounds like...

    by TedKordLives

    Live-action ten minute shorts to precede Marvel's upcoming slate of films. Just little intros to B and C-List characters to guage public interest. <P> Sounds good to me. Speedball HOOOOO!

  • June 21, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Everyone have a good weekend?

    by ColonelFatheart

  • June 21, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Typical weekend...

    by TedKordLives

    Video games and binge drinking. <P> Yay.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    But I enjoyed myself.

    by TedKordLives

    That's the important thing, right?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives:

    by TedKordLives

    Kills conversations DEAD!

  • June 21, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Can a man find a job in a week?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    ...just imagine this narrated by Rhona Mitra...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm getting shivers just thinking about it...<P>Show monkey in a tree. Narrator says, “The monkey, proud and smart, in his native habitat. But one thing he does not have . . .” Show a giraffe. “. . . is a long neck, like the giraffe. Which is why nature has allowed them to combine forces.” Show monkey on giraffe’s neck. (Note: Monkey may have to be tied on.)<P> Then the narrator says, “The monkey can now see very far, and has protection from predators. And the giraffe has a little friendly guy to ride around on him.” <P> The monkey is shot by a poacher and falls from giraffe. Put ketchup on monkey to make him look bloody, but put something bad-tasting in the ketchup or monkey will lick it all off. Shoot BB gun at giraffe to make him run off. <P> Narrator: “The monkey and the giraffe have been separated.” <P> Show monkey wandering around, injured, lost and alone. Make him trip, using fishing line attached to his leg. (Try to get this on first take, because after that monkey will probably try to bite off fishing line.)<P> Show giraffe being chased by a lion. If not too expensive, use full-sized, realistic robotic lion, able to run at full speed. Otherwise get a man in a lion suit. <P> The oppressive sun beats down on monkey (heat lamp). Monkey looks up with an expression that says, “Why, oh sun, do you torment me so?” (Get good director.) <P> We see lion eating a giraffe. At first, we think it is our giraffe, but then we are relieved to see it is a baby giraffe. <P> Rock slide covers monkey (fake monkey). Show monkey crawling out (real monkey with a few heavy rocks laid on top of him). <P> Narrator: “Can the monkey and the giraffe survive? Will they ever be reunited?” <P> Show monkey trying to join group of monkeys (real monkeys or children in monkey suits, whichever is cheaper). Our monkey is driven away by the leader of the monkey pack, a vicious, snarling brute (papier-mâché marionette). Subtitle translates snarls as “You thought you were so great when you were riding on that giraffe’s neck, but you aren’t so high and mighty now.” <P> Show giraffe, alone in the darkness, shivering from fear (ice packs on legs). Finally, he falls asleep (sleeping pills?). We see his dream. In it, the giraffe fearfully approaches a gravestone. At first, he can’t make out the name on it, but when he finally does he is shocked. The name on the gravestone reads, “The Monkey.” The giraffe wakes up in a cold sweat (heat lamp). <P> Show two female explorers swimming in a crystal-clear lagoon, so you can see they’re nude. Narrator: “Meanwhile, nearby are two explorers, Laci and Brandy.” Show the explorers swimming for quite a while. Then show them getting dressed and leaving. We notice they have left behind a pair of binoculars. <P> The monkey is starving now. We know this because when he looks at a parrot on a branch it turns into a roasted, steaming parrot on a branch. <P> Narrator: “The monkey is now at the end of his rope. So he puts his faith in the Almighty.” Monkey prays. (Glue monkey’s hands together.) Show monkey walking along later. (Be sure to unglue hands first.) He sees a glowing treasure chest and opens it—it’s filled with bananas. (Have choir singing in background, so you know it’s from God.)<P> Refreshed and healed by that good banana nutrition, the monkey heads off. For comic relief, show monkey approaching a skunk and getting sprayed. If monkey will not approach skunk, feed monkey whiskey so he will relax and go up to skunk. However, do not let him drink too much or he may kill skunk.<P> Show monkey finding binoculars. Monkey learns how to use binoculars. (Have plenty of film, because this may take a long time.) Monkey climbs up tree and scans horizon. We see his point of view, which finally focusses on, yes, the giraffe! He screams (BB pellet) with joy. <P> Just then, the giraffe is shot by a tranquillizer dart. We show the shooters, two trappers from a zoo. We know they are evil because we saw a part earlier where they were shooting each other with tranquillizer darts, to get high. <P> Cut to a truck travelling across the savanna. In a cage in the back is the giraffe, looking sad (half a sleeping pill). But then we reveal that it’s not the two trappers driving the truck but the monkey! (Note: Use cheap truck, because monkey will probably wreck it.) <P> Show the two trappers sitting on the ground, tied up. No need to show how the monkey captured them; just have one of the trappers say, “That damn monkey!” <P> Show monkey releasing giraffe from cage and monkey leaping onto neck of giraffe. (Note: Monkey may not do this, so put monkey on giraffe’s neck and jerk back with harness; then show film in reverse.) <P> Narrator: “The monkey and the giraffe are reunited at last, as nature intended.” Show giraffe trying in vain to reach a piece of fruit high on a tree branch. The monkey clambers up on top of giraffe’s head and picks the fruit, but then eats it himself. The giraffe shakes his head and laughs. (Give giraffe something to induce choking, then dub in laughing sounds.) <P> Show the two female explorers returning to the lagoon, looking for the binoculars. They can’t find them, so they just decide to go swimming again. <P> Monkey and giraffe gallop off into sunset. Question: Would it be too much to show monkey wearing a little cowboy hat? Cute, but maybe hurts reality of the documentary.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    You do not, Teddy.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You know they all leave without saying goodbye between 6 and 6:30.<P>It's like some sinkhole swallows them up.<P>Every day.<P>Clockwork.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Haha, Teddy.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Don't worry. I'll be out of here soon enough. Then you can carry on a conversation ... with yourself! OH!

  • June 21, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    ...TAG!

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Gheesh!

    by Subtitles_Off

    We know what Flick's been doing for thirty minutes!

  • June 21, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    i'd bathe with helen mirren on Gilf Day

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 21, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Ted, Mini-Movies

    by Continentalop

    Doesn't really excite me that much because I prefer talking about super-hero movies more than I do watching them nowadays, BUT looking at it in a purely business sense, I can see it being very smart. It is kind of like what BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD do in their cartoon with the opening segment, were they introduce the audience to new characters, <P> Marketing and establishing characters to a new audience, it is completely genius. You might get to see some pretty cool 10-minute shorts, because lets be honest most characters are really only worth 10-minutes (Darkhawk is really worth on 2). <P> I think DC should have don this - their characters actually fit the format better.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    HA! Flick!

    by Subtitles_Off

    One of the best you've done.<P>Can you insert a Native American Shaman, and have the monkey vomit a crow (a real crow, if not too expensive)?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Aces, Flick.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Just aces.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    I'd like all Marvel movies from now on to be

    by ColonelFatheart

    10-minute mini movies.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    ...well, I wish I'd written that...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sadly, the flash of genius merely reminded me where to steal it from.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    ...I'm sure I COULD have written it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...but I'm all busy drawin' and stuff.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I should have added

    by Continentalop

    The best thing about this is you do get to see which ones spark an interest in the audience. All the fan boys might be clamoring for a Power Man or Sub-Mariner film, but you put out shorts and you might be surprised to see that Moon Knight and Nova actually gets the best reactions from the main stream audience. <p> And since you made a 10-minute short with Moon Knight and Nova and put it in front of Iron Man 3 or the new Spider-Man, millions are now familiar with the character and will show up to see him. <P> Unfortunately this means that It is only a matter of years before Brother Voodoo is made. God help us all.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for 10-minute mini-Jane Austin movies

    by Continentalop

    And the mini-Doystoevsky's movies.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Hiyarrhea!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    ...if *I* had written it, the monkey would have been...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...nursed back to health by some Native Americans on the African Savanna...

  • June 21, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by TedKordLives

    They wouldn't dare put the title "Brother Voodoo" on the screen. <P> I mean, even "Speedball" is pushing it.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I think Nova would go over well.

    by TedKordLives

    It's like Star Wars, but with an Earthman. Or like Green Lantern. <P> Exactly like Green Lantern, actually.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    The problem is, are all these things going to have to be

    by Subtitles_Off

    origin stories? If not, how can they make any real sense to anyone who isn't already a marvel zombie?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    i have always wondered how they get certain shots

    by water_shit_anderson

    on nature documentaries.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    That's most disappointing, Flick.

    by ColonelFatheart

    I believed in you.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    That's right, Subby.

    by TedKordLives

    I forgot. I thought maybe it was my breath that scared everyone off. <P> Ok, launch time. Back later.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Now you know, diarrhea.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Glue, papier-mâché and sleeping pills.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    ...[hangs head].

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    holasubs!

    by water_shit_anderson

    I see you didn't love Toy Story 3

  • June 21, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I want a 10-minute DC short film that explains

    by ColonelFatheart

    exactly how Gordon was able to fake his death in TDK.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah. Who wrote it?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Am I gonna hafta retract my fondness for it?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Bye Teddy!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    See ya, Ted.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • June 21, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    In reality...

    by TedKordLives

    ...Moon Knight would look stupid. <P> Really, really stupid. You'd almost have to play that one as a comedy: "I stalk the night...in the whitest of whites!"

  • June 21, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    ...James Cameron and Zack Snyder co-wrote it.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    ...Subs, you noted the SimuPo for Cheeses' records...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...right?

  • June 21, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Didn't love it. Didn't hate it.

    by Subtitles_Off

    We'll have to talk about it in subspace, though. Vades and 'nilla have declared spoiler embargo.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    later ted

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 21, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Yep. Check it out @ The Shelter.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I even noted yours from the other day, which I have now labeled as The Lost SimuPo®.

  • June 21, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Subs, I don't think they have to be origin stories

    by Continentalop

    Just explain his origin in the opening credits like they did for the Incredible Hulk TV show or Six-Million Dollar Man. Just enough information that gets people up to speed. <P> And if people are interested or like the character, you can expand it and make it into a full length movie that shows the complete origin ("Finally! The untold story of Night Thrasher and how he came to be!").

  • June 21, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Ah shit. Gotta run. See yas around.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • June 21, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    "We see lion eating a giraffe.

    by Subtitles_Off

    At first, we think it is our giraffe, but then we are relieved to see it is a baby giraffe."<P> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • June 21, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Bye, Col!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Good to see ya!

  • June 21, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    True, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That'd give 'em an extra kind of old-skool serial feel.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Problem is casting these things.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You're not going to want to cast a big star for a short that might end up going nowhere, but, at the same time, if it catches fire, are they going to want to immediately re-cast it?

  • June 21, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Later Col

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 21, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Subs, RE: Serials

    by Continentalop

    I would love if someone would bring back the chapter serial. I think, speaking completely financially, it would be a brilliant idea. And something DC could do better than Marvel. <P> Actually, only one Marvel character works for Chapter Serials and that is Captain America. That should be how they do the ad campaign. Marvel, hire me run your ad campaign and I guarantee "Captain America: First Avenger" will be a huge hit.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Evening Peebs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    What's shakin'?

  • June 21, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Bye Col., hi Cheeses.

    by Continentalop

  • June 21, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Totally, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Nolan should've been doing a serial between each Batman movie. Guarantee asses in the seats for whichever Warner Brothers film they played them in front of.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Hi, Cheesey!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Subs, I don't know if Nolan's Batman works for Serials

    by Continentalop

    But they should be milking this for Superman ASAP. You want to get people excited as shit for the next Superman you put together 3 to 4 Superman mini-movies, each about 10 minutes long that connect and can lead right into the new Superman movie. <p> And Raimi and Sony should have been doing that with Spider-Man. Spidey vs. the Shocker or Rhino might suck for a full length, but you make a 10 minute short of that and people will show up no matter what piece of shit was playing after it.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    A mystery works really well for serials.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Batman connecting clues.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I meant that Nolan takes his Batman way to serious

    by Continentalop

    It doesn't have enough fun to be in a serial form. No way is he going to make it a short little film. because that would reduce all the" important" themes in his film and would make his film appear as something entertaining and disposable. <p>

  • June 21, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    And Batman could work great for serials

    by Continentalop

    Just look at the old Batman and Robin serials and the TV show. They are awesome. <P> But Nolan's take - when is the last time he actually had a clue for Batman to solve?

  • June 21, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    A 10 minute Dr. Strange short...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    where we get the real world in 2-D, but, all the mystic realms and battles are in 3-D...

  • June 21, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but...

    by Subtitles_Off

    Nolan could've very easily put the opening ten to twenty minutes of TDK in serial form. The fake Batmans, for example. Give each of them something to do. Don't let the audience in on them not really being Batman until the feature.<P>He allowed it, almost, for his viral ad campaign, anyway.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Seriously, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Why hasn't some studio snatched our asses up?<P>We could hire all our friends.<P>Almost guarantee we've had better ideas in between puns here than they could come up with throwing 80 million bucks at Jonah Hex.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man shorts- brilliant

    by D.Vader

    Shocker and Rhino would work great within the confines of a short. I was always pissed they never opened Spidey 2 or 3 with an action sequence showing Spidey fighting some other crazy supervillain like The Rhino. I mean, the city has only has 3-4 supervillains ever? And all created by a science experiment gone wrong? Can't we see Spidey fighting ridiculous characters who ARENT the main focus of the movie, just so we know this happens a lot? That way, in a future movie, you could have another appearance/awesome fight scene between Spidey and the Lizard without having to rehash the previous movie.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Actually, I take back what I said Subs

    by Continentalop

    You could of had Batman tracking down Scarecrow and like you said have the fake Batman involved. <P> I mean, Batman must have run into fake Batmen before ("There were more copycats last night, Alfred.") and he obviously had to work at finding Scarecrow. Both would make an interesting 20-30 minutes. And since Batman is in costume and so is Scarecrow, you just need Bale and Murphy doing VO, maybe Alfred on the Batmobile car phone or some shit. <P> Like you said it could have been a good viral campaign. Or better yet, a way to boost WB box office for their non-Batman films.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by Continentalop

    I always thought the Spider-Man movies should have started with a James Bond cliff-hanger. You ad the idea of mini-movies, and you got yourself a pretty good number of Spidey fights against less well known villains. <P> BRING ON THE HYPNO-HUSTLER!

  • June 21, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    It's a no-brainer.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's so much better than forcing three or four villains into your movie.<P>Dispense with the clutter. Get it out of the way and flesh out the real story in the feature.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Subs, if we did get snatched up by the studios

    by Continentalop

    For hiring purposes my friends include a lot of skanky strippers.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I wanna see a 10 minute Short of Heroes For Hire...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Luke Cage, Powerman, and Danny Rand, Iron Fist, are hired to serve an eviction notice to Modok and re-possess his hover chair...

  • June 21, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Cheeses

    by Continentalop

    I'm laughing my ass off at that image. <P> "I am NOT behind on the payments!"

  • June 21, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    They laugh about the time they repossesed...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Arnim Zola's big screen TV chest/face...

  • June 21, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Imagine something like AVENGERS or JUSTICE LEAGUE.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Instead of forcing that crap into an IRON MAN movie (thereby nearly ruining it), you can do all that sh!t through a series of shorts. You can also explain all the back-story to Wasp, or whatever, you need. <P>The feature can hit the ground running and be two hours of awesome, without all the expository bits.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Flick and diarrhea are rolling their eyes.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "These guys and their fukken superheroes."

  • June 21, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I was thinking the same thing Subs

    by Continentalop

    Plus, say a b/c-lister character like Ant-Man/GIant-Man, he would work well as a character for chapter serial films AND as an ad/lead in for the Avengers. <P> No one will probably want to see Hank Pym star in his own movie, but you make that chapter serial about how the Avengers are going to form and connect it to Stark/Nick Fury/Shield, and people will love it. Plus it builds up excitement for an Avengers movie and introduces people to Ant-Man/Giant-Man and Wasp. <P> And it would only be 2-4 10 minute segments and cost a lot cheaper than an Iron Man or Avengers movie.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    If only...

    by TedKordLives

    The possibilities are endless.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I love it when Arnim Zola had to take his TV chest screen back t

    by Continentalop

    "Hey, it is still under warranty!"

  • June 21, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Actually, Conti...

    by TedKordLives

    The shorts would be an ideal intro for our Wrecking Crew movie, no?

  • June 21, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I am thinking of this beyond just super-heroes Subs

    by Continentalop

    Marvel and DC Entertainment/WB could do Super-hero movies, yes...<P> Pixar and Disney obviously would do cartoons...<P> But a horror company could do Twilight Zone/Outer Limit style stories in front of their movies...<P> And Judd Apatow could make comedy shorts. <P> I just wonder if someone could come up with like a really cool throw back chapter serial, because I think it would be a smart thing to do during the summer (forces people to see all your releases over the summer if they want to stay up to date on the chapter serial).

  • June 21, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Absolutely, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It goes way beyond superheroes.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Ted...

    by Continentalop

    You could do four shorts, each time the Wrecking Crew get beaten by a different hero.

  • June 21, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    It's also, as we've said before,

    by Subtitles_Off

    a way to test out new writers and directors. And a way to salvage troubled productions.<P>Somebody's turned your HEX into a muddle? Chop it into short bits until you've got your problem solved.

  • June 21, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    You want to revive GHOSTBUSTERS, but you don't have a script?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Drop the guys into a short before they get too fukken old. Spend the extra time developing your story.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    You got seven Batman shorts?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Combine them into one thing and fill up some empty theaters.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Nice, Conti.

    by TedKordLives

    Great way to intro four heroes AND four villains at the same time.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    SyFy is playing Aliens...Right Now!!!

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Where were they Saturday night when I couldn't find my DVD????

  • June 21, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Subs, I was thinking the same thing about HEX

    by Continentalop

    Also, you could do shorts as a substitute for Trailers. Or filler until a trailer or teaser is made. <P> If Robert Downy and Jude Law decide to do another Holmes movie, you could shoot a 10-minute adaptation of one of Doyle's stories and use that as advertisement for the new movie. <P> Plus, going back to HEX, say you got a dud of a film and can't chop it up for some reason. Well, HEX is only 81 minutes long and if you want your audience to feel they didn't completely waste their time or money put a short in front of it like the Holmes one. That is going to play in front of any WB, good or bad, but at least if it is in front of a bad film it made people's movie going experience a little better.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    The important thing is...

    by Continentalop

    ...that short films and chapter serials can make people feel like they are getting their money's worth and want to go to the theaters. Plus it is a great way to advertise product and introduce and establish characters and concepts to people, and feel out the audiences taste.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    ...I liked a couple of the Batman shorts in that Anime...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...thing. Probably blasphemy to you guys, especially given the way they messed around with the costume...<P> I forget the titles, but I think one was bad, a couple were OK, and a couple were pretty damn badass.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    ...we kicked around the pre-movie shorts idea before...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's a great idea.<P> I'd love for it to be a mix of big time stuff and independent and homemade oddities.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I'm with you, Flick.

    by TedKordLives

    About that Anime Batman thingie. The one with the kids and their differing interpretations of Bats was prolly my favorite. But then again I AM a big Deadshot fan, too...

  • June 21, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I had the same feeling for the batman anime you do,

    by Subtitles_Off

    Flicka.<P>The best one was Bruce Wayne in India before he ever even put on the suit.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    ...but I haven't heard the idea of using the shorts...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...as mini chapters attached to larger movies before...I dig it.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    The Deadshot one was good, too.

    by Subtitles_Off

    All together? Not so much.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    ...yeah! The kids by that TEKKONKREET guy!

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by TedKordLives

    The India episode WAS pretty good. Forgot all about it, tho.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    This is an idea so good, you wonder why they haven't done it

    by Subtitles_Off

    already.<P>Where's Peter David when you need him? He's gotta have Geoff John's phone number or know how to get it. I say we get John's working on the serial idea, and, hopefully, that'll steer him away from making that fukken Blue Beetle TV crap.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I bet that eventually....

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    those 10 minute shorts will be 15 minute shorts...

  • June 21, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Like 'Lop said, no more need for trailers that give

    by Subtitles_Off

    everything away. You sell your movie with a story that can stand alone but suggests elements of your feature. You generate excitement for the big show with mini shows.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Green Arrow shorts!

    by TedKordLives

    Black Canary shorts! <P> And best of all-Question shorts! That's perfect is what that is.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Later gang.

    by TedKordLives

    I'm off to try to get in to this documentary on Exploitation films, AMERICAN GRINDHOUSE. But it starts in a half an hour, so we'll see.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    See you Ted

    by Continentalop

  • June 21, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for a Porno Chapter Serial

    by Continentalop

    The Cocketeer.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Bye, Ted.

    by Subtitles_Off

    06:51:18

  • June 21, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Freshly laundered shorts!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Best idea of all!

  • June 21, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Well I am out of here

    by Continentalop

    Subs, I plan on getting my shorts cleaned. But in my defense, accidents happen.

  • June 21, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    G'night, 'Lop!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Later, 'Lop...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Just us, Cheesey?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Howdy howdy howdy!!!

    by D.Vader

    Just kidding, I'm not here.

  • June 21, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Hi, Guys...just eating some leftover spagetti...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    ...I'm not here either...

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Neither am I then.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I don't wanna be the only one.

  • June 21, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I think we all need to read the interview with

    by Subtitles_Off

    the director of WINTER'S BONE.

  • June 21, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Watching Aliens...(on SyFy, no less...)

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I am struck by how much the tank/ car they use to crash the reactor and find the colonists resembles Nolan's Batmobile.

  • June 21, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    hola hola hola hoatla hoats oats

    by water_shit_anderson

    hello?

  • June 21, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    cheeses you gonna help me out..

    by water_shit_anderson

    or do i have to show helen mirren a good time all by myself?

  • June 21, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    What up Waterman?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    How was your MILF day?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Hi cheesester

    by water_shit_anderson

    My milf day was ok. Could have been milfier. Sort of an off year i guess. <p> How about yours?

  • June 21, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    It was quiet...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    small bar-b-que...Cougar porn...beer...<p>You know, we tried to keep it traditional...

  • June 21, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    sounds good

    by water_shit_anderson

    next stop hanksgiving!

  • June 21, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    What about the Fourth of Oliver Stone...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and Friday the 31st, Halloween on Elm Street?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    those are important too

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 21, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    the pedalback new year is approaching isn't it?

    by water_shit_anderson

    that should be an important day

  • June 21, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    That day needs an official name...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Pedalback Day? Too bland...?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    < P > Day?

    by water_shit_anderson

    Like D-Day and B-Day...but more < P > ish

  • June 21, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    < P > Day...I like it...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    i don't feel i know enough about < P >

    by water_shit_anderson

    I wasn't around during its origins, or should i say the discovery of it. <p> Cheeseman your a religious figure of sorts...can you tell me about < P >?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    The Haliburton Loophole

    by Subtitles_Off

    Did anybody watch The Daily Show?

  • June 21, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Hiyarrhea! What do you wanna know about < P >?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 21, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    hola subs!

    by water_shit_anderson

    whatever needs to be known

  • June 21, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    < P > surrounds us and binds us....

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    < P > weaves the patterns between the spaces…<p>There are no paragraphs without < P >...

  • June 21, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    ♪♫♪♫ Enuh nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh, nuh-nuh

    by Subtitles_Off

    You say it's your < P > day ♪♫♪♫ <br> ♪♫♪♫ It's my < P > day, too, yeah! <P> You say it's your < P > day ♪♫♪♫ <P> ♪♫♪♫ We're gonna have a good time! <P> Ha < P > < P > day to you! ♪♫♪♫

  • June 21, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Ha < P > < P > day....

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    HHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!

  • June 21, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Back when none of us knew

    by Subtitles_Off

    the code to insert breaks, we had to type it out with extra spaces. Thereby, spreading a secret gospel that unlocked powers of paragraphing.<P> Inspired, DrMorbius used type to draw a picture of fish and used < P > to make the fish multiply.<P>Thus, was < P > made known unto The Peebrews.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    < P > cannot be pronounced, nor can it be

    by Subtitles_Off

    spelled properly. If you spell it properly, thus: <P> it disappears. Hence, < P > is merely how we can type it so we can recognize, but, otherwise, the worship of < P > depends upon faith. And The Meltification of The Loathsome Fishes has not been experienced again, since Morbs went out into the wilderness.

  • June 21, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    haha!

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 21, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    I'm a believer

    by water_shit_anderson

    thank you for sharing the gospel of < P >

  • June 21, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    But, seriously...The Gulf spill is not bad enough?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Now these fukkers are setting the water supply in 34 states on fire?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Fukken lightning!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Every fukken night!<P> I'll type at you guys later!

  • June 21, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    ...good'ol Morbs. Wonder where the good Doc's been.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Later Subs!

    by water_shit_anderson

    too bad about the lighting

  • June 21, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Hello Flick!

    by water_shit_anderson

    Hows things?

  • June 21, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Night, Subs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    The Red Sea has a similar oil spill going on....http://tinyurl.com/2gxdegn

  • June 21, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Hiya, Flicksta...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 21, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    ...hiya, Waterman! < P > is eternal, and...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's roots go deep in Pedalback, but much of the official lore of < P > was recorded here, beginning at 07:31:01 PM...<P>http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/44124#comment_3206081

  • June 21, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    ...hi Cheeses! I'm a bachelor this week, so I finally...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...watched that last ROCKY movie...<P> You know, you go into a movie like that thinking you're better than it...you've been to lots of school...read lots of books...<P> Sure, I could nit pick stuff...but I don't care. I loved it. <P> Just like everyone said, it's more of a sequel to the first two than the others, and it oozes Philly. Most of the stuff I'd criticize felt amateurish. I'll take that over glitzy and corporate any day...almost made me like it more.<P> A couple of glasses of red to get properly nostalgic = Mandatory.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    thanks for the link

    by water_shit_anderson

    i'm enjoying it so far. I don't know this Jaka fellow, but i feel a little bad for him...haha

  • June 21, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    ...and the kid from HEROES was inspired casting...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...for Rocky junior...he's got that same half paralyzed lip and everything. <P> I remember commenting on that to DW years ago, but it never occurred to me that he should play Stallone's kid.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Jaka never accepted < P > as his personal savior...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    He couldn't see the forest for the trees...

  • June 21, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    well i've got to get some sleep

    by water_shit_anderson

    talk to you fellows later <p> < P > eace!

  • June 21, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    ...Jaka was sent unto us to challenge us...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that we might clarify our < P >thoughts. <P> Before Jaka we believed in < P > as children believe, through a mirror darkly.<P> Now we know < P > as men and women...in the light of day.

  • June 21, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    ...me too, night < P >ebrews.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 21, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    ...damn, as always, lots of good stuff in that thread...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's only June, and I'm all nostalgic for last March...<P> ...oh, to be young again...as we were in March...

  • June 22, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Flick, this was prophetic and scary...What Was I Thinking???

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Jaka...<p>by Cheeses_of_Nazareth Mar 16th, 2010<p> 09:40:46 PM <p>What if Mother Earth, Gaia if you will, created all of mankind for the sole, express purpose of creating and coating it's surface with plastic polymers, asphalt bandages and seeping oil spills...

  • June 22, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Nytol...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 22, 2010, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Hey Subs, have you ever seen CHUNGKING EXPRESS?

    by Continentalop

    If not you might want to put that on your list. <P> In fact, I first CHUNGKING EXPRESS.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    ST!

    by white_vader

    Finished with series 5, and seeing as 6 was over anyway & I much prefer to watch 'em all in a row in the best quality on Blu-ray, I'm gonna wait a bit longer until it hits in a coupla months. <p> On Breaking Bad at the moment. So far, it's pretty fantastic. I love it when an actor gets to break out of their pigeonhole, and Malcolm in the Middle is a pretty big one. <p> Then a Danish series called The Killing which was recommended to me. Anyone heard of that? <p> One of these days I'll finally get around to The Wire.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Yikes Subs!

    by white_vader

    Stretch Armstrong?stretching (Slink?), a GARBAGE DUMP and no warning?! <p> I think I'm gonna hafta let you guys go at it on TS3 to be fair to you all and clear out for a week or two. Starting on an ad which looks like it'll be bedlam anyway, so... <p> And you did understand I wasn't actually defending the Supes eye stuff, right? Anyway, I'd written a whole rant about subjective views on effects and blaming the tool instead of the tradesman (or the tradesman who IS a tool) and why these ideas don't happen the way you think they do, but I think I'll just let it go. Probably won't convince anyone anyway, seeing as past rants have been misunderstood or ignored. <p>BUT! <p> That reminded me! Here's a really COOL (ha ha) short where all the effects are in service to the urban jungle premise (based on a Blake poem), and there's a great mix of techniques which are all subservient to the aesthetic tone and the mix is absolutely the story point: <p> http://www.guilherme.tv/tyger/

  • June 22, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for the shitstorm about the Avatar

    by white_vader

    /Last Airbender effects. ILM showed Shyamalan some fire effects and he told them they were too CG looking. Funny, because the fire was real. Context is everything, and just because you know people can't bend fire will always mean the effects are obvious and 'not real'. Same with wolves acting with human motivations and so on. Everyone's a critic. And you're never gonna win the subjective argument of what bending air looks like... <p> Although boy I wish I'd seen that Airbender trailer when doing a similar concept painting of a wall of water coming over the side of a ship last year... woulda really helped! Of course then there's the age-old we got our movie out last so everyone thinks we're copying thing! <p> Anyway Peebs, might see you on the weekend. Wish me luck, I'm nervous about the hectic pace of the TVC tomorrow. Too used to taking it easy at home!

  • June 22, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Morning Pebrews

    by MacReady452

    work is actually work lately. brutal.

  • June 22, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    morning all.

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 22, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    FilmFestival does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    In the Sam Raimi thread a poster posed a question which I will now pose to the Pedbrews...<p> Pick six films to make up a Cult Film Festival.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    The Dojo's Cult Film Season, choices below...<p> 1/ SPACEHUNTER 3D: ADVENTURES IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE<p> 2/ BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS<p> 3/ SWORD & THE SORCERER<p> 4/ STARCRASH<p> 5/ HAWK THE SLAYER<p> 6/ STARCHASER: THE LEGEND OF ORIN<p> Six REALLY BAD but also brilliant sci-fi / fantasy movies...

  • June 22, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    SPACERHUNTER!!!!

    by STLost

    I forgot about that diamond in the rough.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Library Movie rReview

    by STLost

    ANCHORMAN: THE LEGEND OF RON BURGUNDY <P> My least favorite of the Ferrell movies I've seen. I chuckled a few times, but for the most part, the humor is stale. I like the 'staches though. <P> 3/5 (and that extra star is for the CONCH that's in the film)

  • June 22, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    ...I laughed hard exactly 1 time in ANCHORMAN...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and it was during the outtakes with the credits...when Farell turns to Christina Applegate and says...<P> You are a real whore, I'm going to slap you in public.<P> "Slap you in public" has been in use in my house ever since.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    anchorman is pretty damned funny..

    by Six Demon Bag

    talledega nights was kinda weak but step brothers made me laugh.<P>but then i thought blades of glory was weak when i first saw it, but i watched it over the weekend (it was on TBS) and i chuckled a few more times.<P>semi pro was no bueno.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I worked on Talladega Nights

    by D.Vader

    For two days. Saw Will Ferrel. John C Reilly drove up late. Saw Sasha Baron Cohen before anyone else knew who he was. I accidentally walked in on Amy Adams as she was working on costumes with the wardrobe lady (I was in the wrong trailer, they smiled it off. And I bumped into Andy Richter at lunch, who was very nice and let me go ahead of him in line.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    White Vades, you finished LOST season 5?

    by D.Vader

    Awesome! What'd you think? Are we allowed to talk about it, or is there a spoiler embargo for others here too?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    ...I just finished season 5 too!

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    ...very cool, D. Damn...Amy Adams?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I saw John C Reilly in the Rome airport once...he was much bigger than I thought he was.<P> I loved Andy Richter's show back in the day. He was way ahead of the curve.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    First official Conan the Barbarian pic is up

    by D.Vader

    I sent it to Harry and Merrick. Let's see if they post it. In the READY PLAYER ONE thread, I was complaining about AICN being slow with the news. Harry said it was partially the fault of talkbackers like myself, for never emailing the scoops to editors, just talking about them in talkbacks. I told him I used to email the scoops and no one ever responded to me OR posted the stories. So I figured they didn't care. <p> He didn't respond. But today I sent him and Merrick the link to Conan. So we'll see. <p>http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/21/first-official-photo-jason-momoa-as-the-new-conan-the-barbarian/<p>http://tinyurl.com/28nhv9q <p> Looks pretty Conan-ish to me.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Awesome Flick! What'd you think?

    by D.Vader

    I still need to finish rewatching Season 5. I got as far as The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham before Season 6 started, and I never got to pick it back up.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Amy Adams was cute

    by D.Vader

    And I love Andy Richter. Shame both his series got canceled. I watched both that detective show, and the first one, what was it, the World According to Andy or something like that?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Flick...yeah, I laughed more

    by STLost

    at the outtakes than the actual movie. <P> here's my ranking of the Ferrell movies I've seen: ELF<BR> BLADES OF GLORY<br> TALLADEGA NIGHTS<br> STEPBROTHERS<BR> ANCHORMAN<BR>

  • June 22, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    D.Vader, that's pretty cool

    by STLost

    What did you do on TALLADEGA NIGHTS?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I was just extras wrangler for 2 days

    by D.Vader

    The second second AD was kind of an ass, so I was glad I was able to jump onto an ULTRA-low-budget movie my friend was directing starring Will Patton. <p> I was in charge of 200 extras while they filmed the bar scene where Sash Baron Cohen's character comes in and starts playing jazz music on the jukebox. Its the scene where he breaks Will Ferrel's arm unless Ferrel will say "I love crepes", or the simpler, negotiated phrase "I love really thin pancakes". <p> The problem was, they had already gone through 2 PA's the 2-3 days before because the 2nd 2nd was such an ass. Both of them quit. This guy was a jerk and just sort of thrust me into the situation without any help. <p> Which is fine, I'm all for learning on the go, but don't scream at me in front of the 200 extras I'm watching because you didn't give me the appropriate information earlier.<p> For example, I was told to get a walkie-talkie and headset from another PA. I go to the PA and he tells me since I'm just a dayplayer, I don't get a headset; they're reserved for the other crew members. Fine I say. <p> Well, they want all the extras to hang out at what felt like half a mile away in an underground club that's under construction. None of the extras wanted to do that. Eventually throughout the day, they move to the parking lot next to the building we're shooting in. <p> At some point, the 2nd 2nd AD is yelling at me to bring someone in, but I don't hear him because I'm talking to extras trying to pull certain people out of the crowd for the shot and whatnot. Well he comes storming out and yells at me in front of them because I didn't hear him on the walkie. <p> "WHERE'S YOUR HEADSET?!?!?" <p> I tell him that "YOUR" PA said I didn't get to have one. Well he freaks out on me and yells that I should have come to him about it, so its still my fault. <p> Right. First day on the job in the middle of a shoot and one of his employees tells me the deal, but I'm supposed to assume he's wrong. <p> He yelled at me for other bullshit too. Someone got hurt on set one time. He yells at me over the walkie to come into the set. I go in, walk past the injured guy who is being looked at by the set medics, and search for the AD. I see him afar and he's just pointing at me frantically. I turn around looking for someone who might be looking for me, but see no one. He then storms off towards me and says something like "If you don't know what the hell is going on, then get the hell out." <p> So he kicks me off set. I still don't know what he expected me to do. Go to the injured guy being looked at by the set medic and stand there? Help him up? Take his place? Whatever dude. <p> It was bad enough that the 200 extras were separated into groups the day before, but apparently those group names changed. They'd call for groups A and B over walkie, but then I'd have 50 extras telling me they were moved to groups X and Y but were also in B so should they go or stay in case they call for X or Y because they believed they just changed names of groups but didn't actually make *more* of the groups and yadda yadda yadda.... <p> Either way, it was stressful. And that AD was a jerk. A year later, on another show in South Carolina, I found out one of the PA's on that one (pilot for Army Wives) was the PA who quit that week before me. We got to trade stories on what an ass that AD was. <p> Anyway, that's what I did. But where I was stationed was next to the wardrobe trailer and next to where the actors would park their personal vehicles, which is how I saw Ferrel, John C Reilly who was late with car trouble, Borat, and that guy from SNL who was also in Anchorman as the sports reporter with the cowboy hat whose name escapes me.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I also saw Judd Apatow and his daughter

    by D.Vader

    I wanted to tell him how much I loved "Undeclared", as this was before he had directed 40 Year Old Virgin and was pretty much unrecognizable by the general public.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    if i saw judd apatow..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i would coldcock him and kidnap his wife..<P>shes a cutie.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Yes. She. Is.

    by D.Vader

    I want some fucking FREEEEEEEENCH toast!

  • June 22, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Well Merrick put up the Conan picture

    by D.Vader

    I wonder if it was me or someone else that alerted him.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I also sent him an email about Dr. Strange

    by D.Vader

    Looks like the Conan screenwriters have been hired to write Dr. Strange.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Conti- a story on how Jonah Hex was wrecked

    by D.Vader

    http://www.cinematical.com/2010/06/21/the-3-year-story-of-how-jonah-hex-got-wrecked/ <p>http://tinyurl.com/27y96qy

  • June 22, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    They're gonna hafta promote our Vades and

    by Subtitles_Off

    give him a Black Box.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Cobes' Cult Film Festival

    by Subtitles_Off

    Three of these came instantly to mind, and then I had to push for the others. They don''t really make sense together, though.<P> HEATHERS<br> REPO MAN<br> BUCKAROO BANZAI<br> BEASTMASTER<br> TOMMY<br> I WAS A TEENAGE FRANKENSTEIN

  • June 22, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    bring it on!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    1. FREAKED<P>2. WEEKEND AT BERNIES<P>3. TIME BANDITS<P>4. BUCKAROO BANZAI/BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA<P>5.SPACE CAMP<P>6. CLOAK & DAGGER/THE WIZARD

  • June 22, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Hehe nice - i'd love to see some of them on the big screen..<p> Not sure if WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S really qualifies as a cult film tho?!<p> FREAKED is that little-seen curio with the guy from BILL AND TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE (in fact I think that dude directed it too). V. good film I thought.<p> Never seen CLOAK & DAGGER or I WAS A TEENAGE FRANKENSTEIN tho, what be they?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    cloak and dagger

    by Six Demon Bag

    is a little film about a boy (elliot from ET) who has an imaginary friend (dabney fucking coleman!!) and he ends up getting a secret code in a video game that spies want. filmed in san antonio and greatness is to be had.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    last exit to nowhere has a LAO CHE air freight Tee

    by Six Demon Bag

    nice.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Cloak and Dagger with Fred Savage and Dabney Coleman

    by D.Vader

    Oh man, I saw that a lot as a kid. Involves Fred Savage and some book or video game called Cloak and Dagger? And he believes he gets wrapped up in a real version of it, right? And Dabney Coleman is the spy in the trench coat? Or was it someone else and I just always remembered it as Dabney Coleman...

  • June 22, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    great story D.Vader...

    by STLost

    well, not you being treated like shit, but interesting what goes on a major motion picture set.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Wow I'm all wrong about it. Fred Savage?

    by D.Vader

    I guess the pairing with The Wizard screwed up my memory.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Dabney Coleman needs a resurgence

    by D.Vader

    Why isn't he in any movies anymore?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    DV

    by Six Demon Bag

    you got it right mostly..

  • June 22, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    How about "The Quest". Remember that?

    by D.Vader

    Not the one with Jean Claude Van-Damme. The one with Henry Thomas who goes exploring after this monster that is said to live in the lake nearby? That kinda creeped meout as a kid.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Thanks STLost

    by D.Vader

    I did get to eat in the same room as all the stars. That was pretty cool.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    It was called "Frog Dreaming" in Australia

    by D.Vader

    That's... a bizarre title. White Vades, any memory of it?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I know how you feel D. Vader

    by Continentalop

    One of my first jobs in LA was working as an f'ing PA on a low-budget movie and the 1st AD treated all of us PA's like shit. Guy loved to dick us around and pull stupid pranks on us and make us look stupid in front of everyone - and we were getting paid nothing (literally, $0 - basically an unpaid intern). <P> I'm getting paid $0 a day, getting to set at 6 AM, leaving after 7PM, doing tons of driving but only getting reimbursed for gas, and at that time I was sleeping in my car because I had to conserve my savings, and this asshole is having a power trip at my expense. <P> Luckily I am a big guy. I finally had enough. I told the 2nd AD to tell the 1st AD that I am not going to quit but I don't mind getting fired. He acts like an asshole to me again and I will stomp on his head with my size 14 feet. <P> After that I got moved to the cushy job of production office PA. But there is a lot of assholes in the film world like that.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Also interesting story about Jonah Hex

    by Continentalop

    You can literally feel the reshoots while you watch it. Things just don't feel like they belong together.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    'nilla, really?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm sorry if my "garbage dump" comment was a "spoiler." Honestly, I think that's picking. There's absolutely no context to the statement unless you match it up with the article which spoils the hell out of the film but isn't my responsibility. And, SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER unless you already know SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER the setting of part of the film, there's no way to connect the two. END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER. Then again, maybe I should've been more cautious of what someone can read into a remark. It's ignorance and laziness on my part, as opposed to inconsideration. <P>And, the "Stretch Armstrong" reference was a remark upon the content of the article comparing a childrens movie to SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER the events of The Holocaust. END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER. As in, bending and stretching to make a point. I didn't realize the connection could be misunderstood since "Armstrong" is a toy. Rest assured, "Stretch Armstrong" has &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>nothing &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>to do with anything regarding 3. (Oops. I guess I just spoiled it for Stretch Armstrong fans who are waiting to see it, hoping their favorite toy gets a cameo or something.)<P>There is a point where spoiler sensitivity leads to The End of All Conversation.<P>I took no exception to your sort-of defense of Squashed Bullet. Everyone here, including myself, cherishes your point-of-view as a professional with experience working on these projects, and we all want to know more. Of course you're going to have a different perspective on the creation of an effect than I am going to have, viewing it. To be clear, I'm always going to err on my side, because, well, it is my side, and the purpose of creating an effect, in my opinion, is the response it gets from an audience. To me, an effect has to judged on its story-telling purpose, first and foremost. The conceit (no negative connotations intended or implied) of the technician never enters my mind.<P>Which is not to say your "whole rant" wouldn't be understood or appreciated. In fact, it might inform my point of view or another Peeber's in a whole new way. I'd hate to think you censor yourself on the basis of what you think I'm going to make of the subject. I'm just one. I don't speak for anybody but myself, and I'm the least persuasive, perhaps, of all the Peebers, combined.<P>Thanks for that short: TYGER!<P> http://www.guilherme.tv/tyger/ <P>It's a work of art! Takes a phrase from the poem and visualizes it literally, while at the same time, at least for me, making an altogether original narrative. Very interesting.<P>Good luck with the ad! Use the stress, young jedi. Don't let it abuse you.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Nice Conti

    by D.Vader

    I'm a short guy so I don't think it would have quite the same effect coming from me and my size 9s.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    About Jonah Hex...

    by D.Vader

    I can't believe the reshoots included all those characters who weren't in the original script. That just seems like... such a TERRIBLE idea. <p> Clash of the Titans was a stupid fucking schizophrenic movie, and half of that is due to reshoots as well.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    THE DONKEGEN!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    i remember the quest..<P>now thats a rare one to find..<P>that and RUSSKIES. <P>i amend my list to add RUSSKIES as a dub feature with SPACE CAMP.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    While I have caught up, you have all moved on.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Horror stories on Hollywood sets. Who gets to make life hell for the ADs? The director? The actors?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Is that short abt Blake's Tyger Tyger burning bright?

    by D.Vader

    I always liked that poem. I love that one episode of Batman: The Animated Series had Batman reciting it in the end.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I WAS A TEENAGE FRANKENSTEIN

    by Subtitles_Off

    was a late-50s B-schlocker. Made by the same people who made Michael landon's debut film, I WAS A TEENAGE WEREWOLF. In TEEN FRANK, Whit Bissell makes a monster out of the body parts of a teenager killed in a car accident. It contains the immortal dialogue: "Speak to me with a civil tongue. I know you have a civil tongue in your head. I sewed it in there!"

  • June 22, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    D. Vader, RE: Jonah Hex

    by Continentalop

    I think when a movie is done shooting and they know it sucks, panic hits like a drowning man. Instead of staying calm and actually figuring out what could help them, they start grasping and doing desperate things. <P> And of course, as the project becomes worse and worse the release date gets closer and closer. Sure you can move it back once or twice, but after that you are seriously jeopardizing some big money that has been invested. <P> Jonah Hex is a perfect study in Hollywood studio panic.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    everytime i skim the schedule for HBO

    by Six Demon Bag

    and i see THE QUEST..i momentarily get my hopes up, thinking its the Non JCVD one..<P>has anyone seen A MOUSE AND HIS CHILD? or WATER BABIES or RAGGEDY ANN AND ANDY MOVIE..i used to watch them when i was young..<P>im afraid to see them now, fearing they are nowhere near as good as i remember.<P>another childhood film...ZORRO THE GAY BLADE, classic.<P>my childhood was weird, i didnt see CADDYSHACK but i sure as shit say STRIPES and BLAZING SADDLES.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Don't forget IRON EAGLE

    by STLost

  • June 22, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Good question, Subby

    by D.Vader

    I'd say the director and the actors. The schedule. Its the schedule that makes like hell for the AD, even though the AD has a hand in making the schedule. He's gotta keep everything running, and if the director and actors aren't doing their job correctly, the schedule backs up and its the AD's job to correct it. <p> That's the first AD, though. The second AD is in charge of extras and placing them, and with bigger jobs, there's a 2nd 2nd, who was my asshole boss. I guess the other ADs make life hell for the second second. <p>

  • June 22, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Since it's been awhile...Hoagies

    by Subtitles_Off

    Firsted<br> 28 Days Later, 48 Hours, After Life, Amarcord, American Psycho, Au Revoir Les Enfants, Ballast, Band of Outsiders, Best In Show, Big Heat, The, Blood Simple, Blowout, Body Heat, Bourne Ultimatum, The, Breaking Point, Brokeback Mountain, Burbs, The, Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter, Casino, Changeling, The (George C. Scott), Chasing Amy, Chinatown, Chop Shop, Chungking Express, City Lights, City of God, Clerks, Collector, The, Conversation, The, Cove, The , Curse of The Demon, Dawn of The Dead, Detour, Die Hard 2, Diving Bell & The Butterfly, The, Dr. Zhivago, Drunken Master, Duel, Easy Rider, Emperor of the North, Eraserhead, Fanny & Alexander, Fists in Pocket, Fitzcarraldo, Fly, The, Four Rooms, Four Weddings & a Funeral, Freaks, Giant, Gomorrah, Goodbye Girl, The, Grand Illusion, Great Santini, The, Grosse Point Blank, Gun Crazy, Half Nelson, Hardcore, Hard Day's Night, A, Harley Davidson & The Marlboro Man, Heathers, Hook, Hoosiers, Hour of The Wolf, Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion, Key Largo, Kings of Comedy, Kuffs, L'Enfant, Ladykillers, The, Last of The Mohicans, The, Le Circle Rouge, Legends of The Fall, Leopard Man, The, Lion In Winter, The, Long Goodbye, The, Madness of King George, The, Magnificent Seven, The, Mean Streets, Mildred Pierce, Millions, My Left Foot, Nausicaa & The Valley of the Wind, Nighthawks, Nobody's Fool, Obsessione, On the Waterfront, Panther Panchali, Papillon, Philadelphia Story, The, Pickup On South Street, Player, The, Read My Lips, Red Balloon, The, Red Beard, Reign of Fire, Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins, Roman Holiday, Rules of the Game, The, Sawdust & Tinsel, Scarlet Street, Série Noir, Set-Up, The, Seven Men From Now, Seventh Seal, The, Shoot The Piano Player, Singing In The Rain, Spirit of The Beehive, The, Streetcar Named Desire, A, Sunshine, Targets, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, Things To Do in Denver When You're Dead, To Kill A Mockingbird, Total Recall, Touch of Evil, Two Women, Ugetsu, Un Prophete, Vengeance Is Mine, Vice Squad, Victor Victoria, Young Mr. Lincoln <br><br><br> Seconded<br> Batman, Battle Royale, Battleship Potemkin, Beauty & The Beast (Cocteau), Being There, Beverly Hills Cop, Bicycle Thief, The, Blow Up, Bonnie & Clyde, Breaking Away, Christmas Vacation, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Curse of The Cat People, The, Dark City, Days of Heaven, Diabolique, Double Indemnity, Duck Soup, Empire Strikes Back, The, Escape From Planet of The Apes, Excalibur, Eyes Without A Face, Fifth Element, The, Fish Called Wanda, A, Five Easy Pieces, Fletch, Fly, The (Cronenberg's), Friends of Eddie Coyle, The, Fright Night, General, The, Harder They Fall, The, Hidden Fortress, High & Low, House of Mirth, Hud, In Cold Blood, In the Loop, The Iron Giant, Jungle Book, The, Last Detail, The, Last Picture Show, The, Lethal Weapon, M, Maltese Falcon, The, Matrix, Mediteraneo, Miller's Crossing, Modern Times, Night & The City, Nights of Cabiria, Once Upon A Time In The West, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Ox-Bow Incident, The, Peeping Tom, Playtime, Porco Rosso, Rear Window, Robocop, Rob Roy, Sanjuro, Searchers, The, Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs, Some Like It Hot, Sound of Music, The, Spinal Tap, Strangers On a Train, Sunrise, Synecdoche, New York, Taxi Driver, Throne of Blood, Toy Story 2, Treasure of The Sierra Madre, Umberto D., Unbreakable, Vacation, Vampyr, Visitor, The, Wages of Fear, The, Waiting for Guffman, Where The Wild Things Are, Z.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Subs, ADs have tough jobs

    by Continentalop

    They have a lot of pressure on them from the director, the producers and the crew. The first AD is in charge of making sure the set goes smoothly, that actors are on stage, that it is quiet, that they are on schedule, that people are working, etc. <P> But just because you have a tough job doesn't mean you should treat people like shit. Besides being asshole behavior, it is not good leadership/management skills. Would you other have young, underpaid kids busting their asses because they are motivated or a bunch of young kids scared to do anything because they don't want to get yelled at? <P> Limey's make great 1st ADs.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Never say die, Iron Eagle!

    by STLost

  • June 22, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    ZORRO THE GAY BLADE

    by STLost

    yes, a staple in my household as a kid

  • June 22, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    It doesn't help that release dates are set...

    by D.Vader

    Way ahead of time instead of setting the release date after they've got the movie figured out. If studios would stop putting the cart before the horse, they wouldn't have to panic when a production runs into trouble, and they wouldn't have to rush ahead with bad scripts. Stupid execs.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Cobra, I got just one film for you

    by Continentalop

    THUNDERCRACK! Ask Jarv about it but I dare you to watch it.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I havent' seen "Water Babies"

    by D.Vader

    But I have seen Solarbabies. A lot, when I was a kid. <p> As for another forgotten animated movie, how about "The Elm-Chanted Forest" with the artist and his magic paintbrush? And the bad guy who sat on a water bed mattress filled with fish? Remember that?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I remember the Raggedy Anne and Andy movie!

    by D.Vader

    The live-action one, right? <p>

  • June 22, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    How about "My Science Project"?

    by D.Vader

    Always loved it for the T-Rex at the end. <p> And "Baby: The Last Dinosaur".

  • June 22, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    D. Vader I can't even comment on the release date thing

    by Continentalop

    Because I think studios have no choice but to announce those. I think it is all part of the investment/planning stage, and just the nature of the business. <P> I should really read a book to learn how the hell my business really works.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    So, making a movie is all about pissing downstream?

    by Subtitles_Off

    The guys and gals at the top get to lolligag like artists, while the people doing the work are separated into a pecking order by ever-more bitter also-rans?<P>And all of this so Will Ferrell can take his shirt off and expose his hairy flab to make a sex joke?

  • June 22, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Disney Channel used to play a lot of awesome movies

    by D.Vader

    Back in the 80s. Lots of great animated movies like "The Hobbit", "Return of the King", "The Last Unicorn", "The Elm-Chanted Forest", "Flight of the Dragons". <p> Now all the play is tween crap sitcoms.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    The release date thing is absurd!

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's all about arranging dates on a calendar, making sure you aren't opening on the same day as TOY STORY 3.<P>Like 'Lop says, it's all about business, and when art is forced to conform to the rules of business, you end up with product.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yeah Conti, but that's not how it used to work

    by D.Vader

    If they just gave a general sort of release date, I think they'd be better off. Like "Spring 2011" instead of "May 21, 2011".

  • June 22, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Subs, I think it is like any other job

    by Continentalop

    Each person acts differently. Some jobs have cool supervisors, other jobs have assholes. I mean, you can't say that every head chef in a restaurant is a complete prick (I think). <P> But I do think that attitudes take over shoots. You get an asshole on the top and it will trickle down. <P> I will also say 1st ADs are actually kind of paid to be the directors Bad guy. The director doesn't want the crew to hate him (otherwise why bust your ass for this guys film) so he depends a lot on the 1st AD to be the bad cop and yell at the crew when they are being lazy or talking on set, etc. It is just that some guys take being the bad cop as being the bad Gestapo agent.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Yeah its the 1st AD's job to bust heads

    by D.Vader

    He's gotta keep things running, so he's the one who has to sometimes be the tough hand and bark orders instead of asking nicely.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Subs, film has always been a business

    by Continentalop

    All entertainment has always been a business to a certain degree (show business). <P> If film wants to be a true art, like painting, than you can't spend 100 million dollars to make it and you can't advertise it. You just got to wait 40-50 years before you finally recover your investment as it travels around in small galleries recouping its money one day at a time.

  • June 22, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I think it was BABY

    by STLost

    SECRET OF THE LOST LEGEND <P> We saw that in the theater

  • June 22, 2010, noon CST

    I miss old school Disney channel

    by Six Demon Bag

    And old school nickelodeon..today's special and pinwheel and belle and sebastian. <p> my one regret in life is not seeing how belle and Sebastian ended...did they get back together? I dunno what happened but. Either I started missing eps or they stopped playing them but I never got closure. Been dealing with it in therapy ever since

  • June 22, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Whoops, I was combining "Baby"

    by D.Vader

    With another movie I saw a lot as a kid, "The Last Dinosaur". I saw Baby in the theater too. I twas awesome.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    My dad used to get film projectors from the library

    by D.Vader

    And show me weird library films about dinosaurs and animated alligators.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    True, 'Lop, but...

    by Subtitles_Off

    As with all things - politics, music, movies, selling vegetables - the rules of business have changed. The money involved - the gambling aspect - has corrupted the way things are done.<P>In the not-too distant past, financing was a tool. The "service" or the "thing" - the end result and the value it provided - was the goal, the end-game. Now, that's reversed. The "thing" is the tool, and "profit" is the ultimate goal.<P>Not that "profit" hasn't always been the goal. I'm not that naive. I'm just saying the driving forces have changed. And, as a result, quality is sacrificed.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    yeah, I wish I had old school nickelodeon..

    by STLost

    for my daughter to see. It was a lot better than just the heavy rotation of repeats they have now, well, I think they have, since I don't have cable anymore. <P> I remember pinwheel!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    ...just had a very promising phone meeting...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...about my book idea.<P> Now I'm supposed to get back to chipping away at my current project...<P> But I don't feeeeeel like it!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Old school Disney and Nickelodeon trumps...

    by D.Vader

    The crap that both networks have on tv nowadays.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Congrats Flicka!

    by D.Vader

  • June 22, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Did anyone watch "The Daily Show" last night?

    by Subtitles_Off

    The natural gas industry has been giving $100 thousand dollar leases to people to use their land to get gas using a process by which water and over 500 chemicals are forced beneath the shale layer to cause fissures and release the gas. In 2005, Congress - in a Republican-backed measure supported by Democrats including Senator Obama - at Haliburton's urging - exempted this specific process from all environmental laws.<P>As a result, in 34 states across the country now, people have natural gas coming through their faucets and their bathroom fixtures.<P>There's a new documentary about it that the gas industry is trying to smear.<P> http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

  • June 22, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Way to go Flicka!

    by STLost

    you're on your way to the top....snorting coke off a bimbo's rear end!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, good on ya, Flick!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    i dont see why they CANT have old school channels

    by Six Demon Bag

    of nickelodeon and disney...

  • June 22, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I remember when Disney Channel

    by STLost

    was new to our area, and if you signed up, you got a free frisbee and some other things. And we would get a disney magazine each month that let you know what movies and shows were coming. And we'd scour that book and see stuff like this:<P> &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>FLIGHT OF THE NAVIGATOR &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br> <P> June 7,14,16,22 <P> And we'd get all excited and look forward to those days that it was coming up. I think HBO did something similar each month

  • June 22, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Sixes...do they even have preschool

    by STLost

    shows on Nick anymore in the morning? I remember the stuff in the morning was geared towards preschool-kindergarten, then as the day went, it skewed to the older groups. Heck, was there even any teen stuff on Nick back in the 80s?

  • June 22, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    New Kirby game looks kind of awesome

    by D.Vader

    The whole design of the world is based off of string and yarn. Reminds me of the designs for Yoshi's Island. <p>http://kotaku.com/5569721/there-is-no-ugly-part-of-this-wii-game<p>http://tinyurl.com/2bvoav7 <p> Trailer: http://tinyurl.com/2vvmo42

  • June 22, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Subs, I think the blame has to go with the audience

    by Continentalop

    There has always been schysters and huckesters in film. The difference was that in the past, the producers and studio heads who were more quality oriented went to the top and dominated because they made the stuff the masses want to see. The audiences and the money dictated you needed to have a certain quality. <P> I'm not some crazy libertarian free market advocate, but I do believe that the market dictates what is being made. The demand for crappy films is what is pushing the studios to make shitty/dumb films, not that other way around IMO. And because audiences don't care about a certain type of quality or intelligence, you don't need studio heads or directors or producers who are interested in making good quality films. <P> Sure, good big budget films are still being made, but the fact that they are big blockbusters probably has more to do with them being mega-hits than that they were made good. Even if you think TDk was a work of genius (which I know you don't Subs) the fact that it is about Batman and has explosions has more to do with it being a hit than anything Nolan had to do with it. <p> The masses spoke - the majority want Roller Coaster rides and eye candy.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    i miss MUPPET BABIES too..

    by Six Demon Bag

    with the film scenes they would insert into the show when they were imagining stuff.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ...hey Subs, don't worry, we won't get into it again...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I couldn't even if I wanted to, but re: "Now, that's reversed. The "thing" is the tool, and "profit" is the ultimate goal"<P> I think you're right, but I choose to look at it all as an interesting process. If history teaches us anything, it's that there's a predictable cycle to these things. These big budget productions that you describe are like dinosaurs, getting bigger and more preposterous with every year...meanwhile, small furry mammals will inevitably thrive in the shadows to fill the ecosystem that the dinosaurs are too big and slow and ridiculous to fill anymore.<P> Sooner or later, the dinosaur's unsustainable bulk collapses, the furry mammals become dominant...and so on and so forth.<P> I dunno...sure, maybe I prefer certain phases of the process, but the whole thing is interesting to me.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    ...hehehe...thanks, guys!

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Because, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's cheaper to repeat schlock than create original programming. And, any original programming must be "synergistic." In other words, it has to support music tie-ins and concert tours, etc., to maximize profit.<P>Besides, they think kids are a little bit stupid. They can sell them anything.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I heard about that yesterday on NPR Subby

    by D.Vader

    Apparently there are videos on youtube of pple lighting their faucet water on fire.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    i dont think so..STL..

    by Six Demon Bag

    its all tween..<P>

  • June 22, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Subs, I saw that last night...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Flames coming from your faucet is SCARY!!! They do that drilling ALL over DFW…offering thousands for the mineral rights to their property…

  • June 22, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    LIGHTS CAMERA ACTION!!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    the greatest show on nickelodeon!!!<P>hosted by leonard nimoy.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, Hey Peebs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 22, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Anybody see the trailer for THE GREEN HORNET?

    by Continentalop

    Talk about a big bowl of "meh".

  • June 22, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    There are enough channels all ready

    by D.Vader

    Why not make an old school Disney and Nickelodeon? I bet it'd get more hits than their other channels. Here are a list of Disney channel and Nickelodeon offshoots: <p>Disney XD <p> Toon Disney (no longer in existence) <p> Disney Junior (coming soon). <p>Nicktoons <p> Nick Junior <p> TeenNick <p> Nick Gas (no longer in existence) <p> You're telling me you can't have ONE of those channels play all the good old stuff?

  • June 22, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    YES there was teen stuff on Nick in the 80s!

    by D.Vader

    Does no one remember that crazy tween drama on Nickeleodeon called "Fifteen"? <p> How about the comedy "Welcome Freshmen"? The show that taught me the word "indubitably".

  • June 22, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    'Lop, I don't quite buy that.

    by Subtitles_Off

    There is a huge - HUUUUUUGE - part of every audience that isn't being served. All the while the businessmen have been raising ticket prices and building bigger megaplexxes and claiming ever bigger crowds, they've been conversely complaining that people aren't going to the theaters anymore and people are staying at home. Among all the theories as to why, no one ever mentions that the films might be considered crap by a great many people. Every big film is aimed at a younger audience. Well, truth is, there are more older people in the world, right this minute.<P>Why aren't people buying CDs? Oh, it must be illegal downloading. it couldn't possibly be that The Black Eyed Peas really suck.<P>Why aren't art films popular? It can't be access. It HAS to be the audience doesn't want them.<P>I know you guys are sick of my "used to be"s, but you can't deny it. There used to be more diversity in everything. And, surprise, surprise, there was an audience for it.<P>It's a chicken and egg debate, really.<P>But, when you blame the audience, it excuses you from delivering more and more crap and less and less art. "Hey," you shrug your shoulders. "It's not my fault. It's what they want. It's what they want."

  • June 22, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    what channel was Mr. Wizard's World on?

    by STLost

    was that Nick?

  • June 22, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    An article on Slashfilm last week about summer movies...

    by D.Vader

    Insinuated that because this summer has just been GOD-AWFUL in terms of movie quality and in terms of box office suggested that risk-averse movie execs, desperate to cling to their jobs, have started asking agencies to give them whatever "original material" they've got. <p> Holy shit. Never thought I'd see the day.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Nickelodeon had Mr. Wizard yes

    by D.Vader

    Hosted by Captain Picard, as I liked to think back in the day.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    disney..

    by Six Demon Bag

    could literally play anything theyve every produced..<P>they could play all their wonderful world of disney stuff since the 50s and zorro and even the old mickey mouse club..why the fuck not?<P>shit they can even play the new 90s MMC with those famous people now..<P>and all the TV movies they made and those corny 70s films like SNOWBALL EXPRESS and THE COMPUTER WHO TENNIS SHOES..<P>nostalgia doesnt take much and there are people who would eat this shit up..<P>and if youre worried about synergy, then throw on ads for the parks and new stuff..

  • June 22, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    MR WIZARD--DON HERBERT..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 22, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    You Can't Do That On Television...

    by STLost

    one geared towards the teens that was fun.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    disney..

    by Six Demon Bag

    they could also play the disney afternoon shit...<P>i would kill for that..TAIL SPIN, DUCK TAILS, RESCUE RANGERS, GARGOYLES, <P>fuck this--it would prolly be easier to build a time machine.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Hell, the execs are blaming Hex's failure on...

    by D.Vader

    The fact that they uglied up a handsome actor and went with a third-tier character. Has nothing to do with a shitty product and bad advertising, apparently. <p> I agree with Subs somewhat on this subject. The studios are acting like ignorant children. They complain that no one wants to go see movies anymore, that people are staying at home to watch them on DVD... yet they refuse to acknowledge that A) they keep raising ticket prices, B) a lot of their movies are crap. <p> If movie tickets were the same price they were 10 years ago and we had better quality films coming out, I guarantee you'd have more tickets being sold.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    with BARF..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i....heard that.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I loved old Disney Channel.

    by STLost

    we'd get a ton of old cartoons that way.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    ...I think I'm getting rid of cable TV if I can...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...we never use it.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    "You Can't Do That on Television"

    by D.Vader

    Or what I referred to, as a kid, as "Nickelodeon". <p> There was no difference between the two when I was growing up.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I loved seeing those Goofy cartoons

    by STLost

    for road safety....how to drive...merge onto a highway, distance between cars...

  • June 22, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Inside-Out Boy!

    by D.Vader

    Now there's a short film series to play between every show! And they did!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    if a kid sees a string of these cartoons

    by Six Demon Bag

    one afternoon..and likes it, they will want them to own..<P>these channels are practical ads for the dvds and ancillary products they could sell.<P>what they were in the 80s-90s, they can be again, tenfold.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Some Disney Channel plays Disney afternoon toons

    by D.Vader

    Maybe its Toon Disney. But sometimes, late at night when I was at my aunt's house, I'd catch Gargoyles episodes and remember how awesome that show was. Same with TailSpin. Haven't seen Goof Troop or DuckTales on though.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Flick...I recommend it.

    by STLost

    I don't miss cable. And I like that I'm not spending money on it.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    posted before I was done.

    by STLost

    For some reason, I feel less stressed and less anxious without the cable.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Not the Goofy cartoons!!!

    by D.Vader

    Remember? They were part of my Disney Classics: The Complete Goofy Collection DVD that was stolen from me!! <p> Argh, the pain of remembering what I lost. That Goody cartoon on how to merge into traffic on a highway, with the dots on a map from a bird's eye view... I will always remember that when merging from an on-ramp and getting behind some jackass who is going slow and thinking he is being "safe" by doing it.<p> I also loved the way they handled drunk driving in that short.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    BARF died a few months ago

    by D.Vader

    The only adult from You Cant Do That on Television. <p> I wonder if Alanis Morrisette went to the funeral.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    who was the guy wearing a body fitting suit

    by Six Demon Bag

    with all the organs on it..i think it was on nickelodeon.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Remember the live-action Dumbo and Pooh shows?

    by D.Vader

    With people in large costumes playing Pooh and all the animals? Or Dumbo and the other guys at the circus? That was weird. <p> How about Mousercise early in the morning?

  • June 22, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Here's the natural gas info...

    by Subtitles_Off

    A news clip<P> http://tinyurl.com/2d3zpvo <P> and <P> A half-hour explanation:<P> http://tinyurl.com/yzt2adz

  • June 22, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    yeah i didnt wanna mention the GOOFY DVD

    by Six Demon Bag

    too soon.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    ...yeah, we could certainly use the extra $, and...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...we almost never use it. After watching a movie we might briefly flip over to Comedy Central...mostly just because the TV is already on.<P> At least 95% of what we watch is either Netflix, streaming, or a library DVD.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Oh shit I forgot that guy's name Sixes

    by D.Vader

    Inside-Out Boy was claymation. The guy you're thinking of had a normal first name right? And a last name that described his see-throughy-ness right?

  • June 22, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...

    by STLost

    I'm sorry to bring up that nightmare.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    POOHS CORNER and DUMBO CIRCUS..

    by Six Demon Bag

    and mousercise..and DTV..<P>it was like MTV and they would be rock songs to edited cartoons.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Sixes...SLIM GOODBODY

    by STLost

    http://www.slimgoodbody.com/

  • June 22, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    FLIGHT OF DRAGONS was one my younger brother had a real nostalgia buzz for - so much so he bought a VHS tape of it a few years back off Ebay.<p> One day I stuck it in the player and it got chewed to shit. He wasn't happy. Hahahahhahaha!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    That's what it came down to for us, Flick.

    by STLost

    We were wanting to cut costs. Plus the fact we'd be outside playing or going to the park, so the TV would sit off for hours at a time. That's hours I'm paying the cable/satellite company!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    My old VHS player was brutal, like Russian roulette, there was around a one in six chance your tape was a dead man.<p> I don't miss not having a video recorder in the dojo anymore.

  • June 22, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Holy shit I forgot all about DTV!!!

    by D.Vader

    Certainly that started the wave of animated music videos that became an internet meme 10 years ago, mostly with anime like Dragon Ball Z. <p> And Slim Goodbody! That's the name! <p>Flight of the Dragons was one I watched only one or two times. No real memories from that one. Saw The Last Unicorn a lot though. Definitely bought that on DVD last year. Friggin' harpy!

  • June 22, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    You'd stick a 'tape head cleaner' in that thing and it was like *it knew*. Tape head cleaner's were not one in six. They were mangled EVERY time.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    dont remember FLIGHT OF THE DRAGONS

    by Six Demon Bag

    but i do remember LAST UNICORN..which i recently watched..its really depressing.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Flick, RE: That "pendulum" swing.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I used to think that, too. There's an ebb and flow to things that's natural, right?<P>I don't think so, anymore. It's been more than twenty years of constant blockbuster culture. That's an EXTREMELY long time! As a result, an entire generation has developed no other interest because they aren't given easy access to it.<P>I know the internet provides everything at a keystroke, but you have to know which key to stroke, and, meanwhile, most people are using the internet to watch videos of kittens and strippers.<P>I'm not challenging the existence of diversity. I'm challenging the PROMOTION of diversity.<P>It's pervasive, as I've argued: The Dumb Down. And, maybe I'm just as sad and bitter as you sometimes think I am, but I think it's permanent. Do you really think we'll ever return to, say, investigative journalism after fifteen years of FOXertainment? We'll ever return to magazines? And, even if you want to substitute your iPad for your NEWSWEEK, is the big pop-up going to provide info on a new poet or sculptor or show you Lindsay Lohan's mug-shot?<P>We all seek out the things that interest us, based on our exposure to different things. But, we worry that maybe 17 Disney Channels aren't enough. We need a Literature Channel, not an 18th Nickelodeon.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    i am seeking my ROSEBUD..

    by Six Demon Bag

    and i think its in or around that old school nick and disney channel.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Subs there is a huge audience that isn't being Served

    by Continentalop

    And sooner or later someone smart will cash in on it. If there is money to be made, someone will do it. But right now stupid projects make most of the money and garner all the attention from the public because that is what the majority want.. Welcome back Roman Circus. <p> I am a firm believer in democracy - it is the will -and the stupidity - of the common man that gets us to where we are. <P>

  • June 22, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Not that I am any smarter

    by Continentalop

    If I was, I wouldn't be where I am now.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    ...I'm talking about the really big pendulum, Subs...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...not just the pop culture fad cycles.<P> To go all apocalyptic for a moment, Irish monks kept ancient scholarship alive for centuries...hiding out in monasteries while barbarians burned the countryside. The end result was something new...and all that good old stuff got grafted onto the energetic young civilization once it was ready (and much was lost).<P> Don't worry, in a few more years we'll be tracing Scorsese films onto vellum and illuminating them frame by frame with ink made of candle soot and our own blood and squirreling them away for future generations...<P> You'll probably be griping about the 60s, and (if I happen to be in a good mood) I'll be saying "...yeah, but this is pretty exciting, don't you think? It's just like A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ! ☺

  • June 22, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    ...hmmm, that smile face was supposed to look...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...happier. <P> By the way, Subs...if you haven't read A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ, you might like it.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    That is a sad smile Flick

    by Continentalop

    I imagine the little guy is trying hard to force a smile, but the weight of the world is really crushing him. <P> That wasn't your intent, was it?

  • June 22, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Sixes, surprised you didn't bring up Darkwing Duck

    by Continentalop

    For your Disney channel. I actually thought that was a fun cartoon.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    ...wrong smile. I was going for impish smile/roguish grin.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    See, 'Lop? Again, I think

    by Subtitles_Off

    the idea of "majority" is skewed. <P>Nobody can really speak for the "majority" because the majority is truly too big to accurately measure. You're speaking "demographics," and I insist demographics are complete bullshit. It is not the 49th year of life that is representative of you. It is not your salary that defines you. It's not your skin color - it's your access to culture.<P>When people in the business say their demographic of millions is a reflection of hundreds of millions, they're fudging numbers. When artists start to believe them and act accordingly, they're enabling. When audiences begin to support them, they're making a mistake that will have consequences, but, truly, they can only be blamed if they've been given equal access to a variety and decided to turn down the good in exchange for the bad.<P>Now, lest I be accused of contradicting myself, I whole-heartedly agree, there is a demographic - OUR demographic - the majority of which - seems to choose crap with a nearly vehement pride in its crappiness. My theory is, though, that is due to their exposure - or lack thereof - to an alternative.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Shigeru Miyamoto, the Nintendo guy who created Mario said that when you draw a smiling character you should be smiling yourself.<p> I like that idea.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    of course..DARKWING DUCK...

    by Six Demon Bag

    lets gets dangerous..

  • June 22, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Darkwing Duck introduced a new time travel idea to me

    by D.Vader

    Before Darkwing Duck, my notion of time travel was always the Back to the Future model- you can travel into the future and see your future self. <p> It wasn't until a Darkwing Duck episode where our hero traveled to the future that a new idea was introduced to me: the idea that you don't exist in the future because you disappeared from time the moment you left for the future. <p> Darkwing ends up in a dark future where his daughter is now a supervillain, angry and bitter at having grown up believing her father left her forever (which is the moment he traveled to the future). <p> That idea was cool and depressing to me.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    what about the BILL & TED theory of time travel..

    by Six Demon Bag

    that you can say that youre gonna leave the keys in a trash can and there they are..but you have to remember to travel back adnd leave them there..<P>my brain hurts just thinking about it.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    ...I just came five seconds from SimuPosting with Harry...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...

  • June 22, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Can somebody explain "TaleSpin" to me?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I know of it only as some kind of weird mash-up of THE JUNGLE BOOK and PORCO ROSSO, two animated films I have affection for, but the idea of Shere Kahn as Lex Luthor really disturbs me for some reason.<P>Was it any good?

  • June 22, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    That's a good philosophy, Cobes.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I like it even more if you add: When you are drawing a frowning character, you should also be smiling.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    SimuPos® don't happen outside Pedalback.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I forgot about the Bill and Ted theory of time travel

    by D.Vader

    So we've got Back to the Future's theory, Darkwing Duck's theory, Bill and Ted's theory, and Stephen King's Langoliers theory. <p> When I was young, I compiled all the different movie/tv theories of time travel into a list that I've now since obviously forgotten.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    GREEN HORNET trailer. Thoughts?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I thought Donnie Darko was mostly shit. Mostly.<p> Sorry, ALIENS hangover. But I did like the time travel CGI tentacle thingy. I found that pretty meaningful, in a 'I don't know what that means' kinda way.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    TaleSpin was awesome

    by D.Vader

    Baloo worked as a pilot courier for a company that was bought out by a sassy woman in a coastal bay town called Cape Suzette that was protected by high mountain walls armed with canons to ward off sky pirates. <p> Baloo always had to make deliveries with an orphaned bear cub who had a sky-surf-board/boomerang weapon thing. They fought against Sky Pirates led by the pirate wolf Don Carnage (pronounced like corsage). Shere Khan was a Lex Luthor type who ran downtown Cape Suzette and may have also ran the mob. <p> King Louie ran what was basically a floating truck stop/oasis where they always drank margaritas and swam in a pool. Kind of like SHIELD's helicarrier, but much more fun. <p> There was also some communist country proxy in the snowy north run by a diminutive warthog named Col. Spigot that they often had to deliver to. <p> TaleSpin had a KICKASS theme song, one I downloaded from Napster 10 years ago that plays on my iPod. It was one of the better Disney afternoon cartoons in my opinion. It helped that I was a big Jungle Book fan too. No appearances by Kaa or Bagheera from what I remember. Just Baloo, Louie, and Shere Khan.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    "One girl, one cup in this town!"

    by STLost

    I like that one Flick.

  • June 22, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    In honor of the Footloose remake news...

    by D.Vader

    I suggest we all watch Yacht Rock episode 11 <p>http://tinyurl.com/3xnham

  • June 22, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Any scenes where Baloo seemingly died only to rise again shortly after?<p> I'll buy it now if you tell me the 'season finale' ended with the permananent Baloo. That would be epic. I'm crying floods of tears just at the possibility.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Hey that scene in the Jungle Book always made me cry

    by D.Vader

    Maybe there was an episode where everyone thought the plane he was piloting blew up. That'd be a good finale.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, vades.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It has always just seemed to me such an odd concept. Inserting those three characters into such an *inappropriate* setting. <P>Ever read any explanation as to why they used those characters instead of just creating new ones? Is it really just as simple as they wanted name recognition and didn't think Rudyard Kipling worked for kids in The 90s?

  • June 22, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Subs, I actually think diversity makes crap

    by Continentalop

    Whenever media diversifies it seems to get dumber and more likely to cater to the lowest common denominator. It happened with film & television (theater, television, cable, DVD, and DTV have given us a million options of crap), with the Balkanization of music (why make anything good when you can just target a demographic and a niche), and now with the internet. <P> Why? Because they only have to cater to one thing that person really likes- be it Monster Trucks, Detective Stories or Gay Romance Story - and not worry about actually making a good product. They might not make as much money as the big blockbusters, but they don't have to cost as much. All they have to do is make back their investment and then some. <P> You want a perfect example of that, just look at what has happened to porn (seriously).

  • June 22, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    my thoughts on the GREEN HORNET film..

    by Six Demon Bag

    eh...<P>im passing for now..when it gets closer its gonna hafta show me more positive things..<P>but im sure by then there will be more reshoots and maybe even gondrys name off the film..

  • June 22, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Darkwing Duck had a great Rogues Gallery

    by Continentalop

    A lot better than a lot of comic book heroes IMO.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    what about GUMMI BEARS???

    by Six Demon Bag

    bouncing here and there and everywhere..high adventures thats beyond compare..there are the gummi bears.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    i borrowed from the library..

    by Six Demon Bag

    a CD that had the disney afternoon theme songs on there..even the disney afternoon bumper theme song..

  • June 22, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    subs..

    by Six Demon Bag

    TAIL SPIN..being a fan of jungle book, you should get one disc from netflix for giggles, its infantile and what youd expect from an after school childrens cartoon..

  • June 22, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    I was about to say the same thing Conti

    by D.Vader

    With the exact same post title re: Darkwing Duck's rogue's gallery.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    ...Re: Red headline...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...yeah, Harry loves to throw us a little red meat from time to time...

  • June 22, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    No explanation for why it was Jungle Book characters

    by D.Vader

    But apparently it was also a riff on that 80s show Tales of the Gold Monkey.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Get the first 4 episodes of TaleSpin

    by D.Vader

    That make up the tv movie "Plunder and Lightning".

  • June 22, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    TaleSpin took place in the 1930's it seemed

    by D.Vader

    Lots of Art Deco style buildings, gangsters wearing pinstripe suits and Raider of the Lost ark serial adventure type stories. It was cool.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    'Lop, I don't think we're talking the same "diversity."

    by Subtitles_Off

    What you describe sounds to me like "niche marketing."<P>"Diversity" has so many connotations, it's probably a poor word choice. I don't mean categorization, which is what I think of when I think of niches. I mean the opposite.<P>The way to explain it, unfortunately, because this always gets me in trouble, is with radio. Listening to a station that plays reggae all day, wouldn't interest me, but hearing reggae on a "rock" station mixed with soul, funk, blues, metal, folk and punk would. One is stagnant and marketed to a niche; the other is diverse and progressive and interesting. (Of course, I'm assuming it's done with finesse, not just, here's an example of A, followed by B, followed by C.)<P>Applied to the movie business, that metaphor works thus: A cinema has six screens, you don't need to be playing action films on four of them. Saying, for example, nobody supported a wide release of UN PROPHETE would be a lie, since there never was a wide release of UN PROPHETE. And, when there's a comparable number of UN PROPHETTEs being shopped around equally for distribution among the superhero action flicks, that's the only time you can honestly measure them against each other or the audience's favor for one or the other.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Subs, Action films cater to the largest number of people

    by Continentalop

    It works like this: You need people you know who will go to the theater. Who goes? Young people, mostly males. <P> Adults stay home and watch television, and will only go to the theater if something is good. But making something good is a gamble, better to go with something that is marketable and guaranteed to make money. So you make genre flicks, and kids show up for those. <P> There is to many entertainment options for people. You can't just say "Why is isn't there more good movies if there is 16-screens?" because you are not counting in TV, cable, DVD, the internet, sports, video games, books, theater, concerts, etc. All of those serve the same purpose - entertainment. <P> To get people to leave their houses and spend money, you have to promise them something. Promising an intelligent, clever well crafted film is hard because people who like those are savy - they don't rush to see things. But a dumb entertainment just has to offer you a roller coaster ride and a spectacle. <P> More channels/options means you have more competition for people's attention. More competition means you have to try and get people's attention but focusing on niches or appealing to the broadest demographic. When you cater to either one you are not so much worried about making something intelligent or good because that isn't what draws them in - it is that your appealing to their personal taste or preferences. <P> That is why TV has become the bastion of smart story telling. It allows smart people an easy chance to check something out with no energy, and if they like it will stick. It doesn't require $50 million dollars of advertising to get noticed through the barrage of other forms of entertainment, and the knowledge that it is good or that it was made with quality means that sooner or later it will probably find an audience (unlike film which needs to find an audience right away because it isn't going to be playing for 22 weeks plus reruns).

  • June 22, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hollywood makes four movies:

    by Subtitles_Off

    Comedies, Romance, Childrens, and Action (which includes all the genre types). But, they make them all one way: loud and full of chase scenes (with the exception of "Romance" which is whatever it is: The gay man's impression of heterosexual relationships?)<P>Of course you can argue that's all the people want when that's all you're giving them. Variations of a single thing.<P>The opposite of that would be what I mean by diversity. Different story types, told differently.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Which category does horror fit into?

    by TedKordLives

    Action?

  • June 22, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Continuing for above

    by Continentalop

    And that is why there is good music being made - just that it is not well know. Yes, Arcade Fire is not the Kinks in terms of pop culture, but the Kinks appeared in a time when they divide in music was AM & FM, not rock, country, folk, jazz, hip hop, latino, heavy metal, etc. In fact, the Kinks appeared in a time when Pop & Rock and Roll meant the same thing - when James Brown, The Beatles, the Stones, the Doors, Sonny & Cher, and Bob Dylan would all be played on the same station. <P> By making things more diverse it just seems to give the bad stuff more of a chance to compete with the good stuff, not give more good stuff a chance for exposure.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    ...in Conti's example, all the great new cable shows...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...are the furry mammal, thriving in the shadow of lumbering dinosaurs.<P> I just want interesting stuff to watch...there's no rule it has to be a one and a half or two hour stand alone feature film. That short idea you guys were kicking around yesterday was great.<P> I'm not arguing that THE SOPRANOS is or isn't as good as some movie from the 60s, but I think it's interesting to watch things evolve.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Why did Tail Spin utilize 'Jungle Book' characters?

    by TedKordLives

    Why did Duck Tales utilize Scrooge and Donald and his nephews?<P> They were recognizable. <P> And both of those shows were great.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    hello this is your president of the unite...

    by Six Demon Bag

    hello?<P>hello?

  • June 22, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Horror would be some form of Action

    by Continentalop

    SOmething male oriented, along with Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Suspense, Action, Westerns, War, etc.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Flick, I would say Sopranos is not as good as the 70s movies

    by Continentalop

    (60s movies are very overrated; they were the start of it but for a lot of the 60s nothing but bad movies - Dr. Doolitle and Hello, Dolly for example). <P> But they don't have to be as good. They can cater to a smaller audience and do great. TV gives you that option. <P>

  • June 22, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    You're arguing a negative to rationalize.

    by Subtitles_Off

    No one can prove to my satisfaction that kids will only go to see crap action flicks, especially since I know good blockbusters can be made. Blockbusters took over precisely because some of them were - hey! - actually good. There was an artist's hand involved in the making of STAR WARS and JAWS, etc. Even if you insist you have to have sixteen screens playing blockbusters, you can't say fifteen of those sixteen (actually, more like three of four, each playing on four screens) have to be crap. The fact that they are crap, yet the kids still go, says more about those individual choices - video games, TV shows, DVDs - being unable to satisfy a particular need - the need to be young and be in a group - than it says anything about the kids tastes.<P>As for selling something "good" to get older people into the theaters: When did this become a problem? When it wasn't enough for Hollywood producers to be satiated by the success of a DOG DAY AFTERNOON, an ORDINARY PEOPLE, or a BUTCH CASSIDY & THE SUNDANCE KID. That's when. When GREED - not art - became THE motivating factor.<P>You can't possibly believe people want to get out of their homes any less than they ever did. I just don't think it's true.<P>Again, to me, your arguments explaining modern Hollywood's business model speaks volumes about all sorts of other things besides the tastes of the potential audience. <P>Hollywood doesn't "get" the audience. If they did, you wouldn't have abominations like HEX. It wouldn't be a crap shoot, if they had it as figured out as they claim.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I think anyone can agree

    by Hi5Effect

    that each of the 4 categories of movies: children, romance, comedy and action are sadly lacking in frontal nudity these days.<P>Comedy has been doing its job, but I haven't seen a good breast feeding seen in a children's movie in ages,<P> something for the little guys, c'mon! Just 'cause they're weaned don't mean they don't miss it!

  • June 22, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    And I am not defending modern movies or music or art

    by Continentalop

    We live in horrible times in many ways. But I do believe it is just a natural state considering how technology advanced. I can be upset by it but I can't tell them to destroy the internet and cable and get rid of DVDs.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    But, Teddy, school me, because I don't know,

    by Subtitles_Off

    didn't "Duck Tales" have Uncle Scrooge, Huey, Dewey and Louie acting the way they had always acted: Anthropomorphic ducks having adventures and getting into trouble involving Scrooge's lust for treasure?<P>That's not exactly the same thing as taking Baloo and Shere Khan and putting them in clothes.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I think I'm seeing Toy Story 3 very soon

    by D.Vader

    And I actually want to see how bad Jonah Hex is.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I dunno about all this Tailspin stuff

    by Hi5Effect

    but any self respecting cartoon should have a scene where the teenage protagonist falls in a freezing river and has to be stripped and reanimated by sensuous friction of a handsome but mysterious young man.<P>http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/cartoni/immagini/georgie-3.jpg<P>or just an opening song that features the heroine (female-to-male trans-musketeer in the service and affections of Marie Antoinette) coyly hiding her Susan B. Anthony's behind a rose bush.<P>http://teleipnosi.blogosfere.it/images/lady-oscar_01.jpg

  • June 22, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Fair enough, Subby.

    by TedKordLives

    But both shows added a central location (or locations), some backstory and a stable cast of supporting characters that hadn't been there before. <P> And as you seem to be in a particularly combative mood (and with the state of things being as they are, I can't blame you), I'll cede the point to you, sir.

  • June 22, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    ...Cobra--Effect?

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Subs, Hollywood never got the audience

    by Continentalop

    That is why they flung there hands open and told the younger directors "Do what you want! We have no idea what people want anymore." <P> STAR WARS and JAWS worked because they didn't have to compete with video games, and DVDs and cable and the internet. You wanted people to go to the theater? You had to promise one crowd something good AND another crowd a spectacle. Without catering to both crowds you could lose one or the other to the competition (which was much more limited). Do you have to do that now? No, because they spectacle crowd will show up for TRANSFORMERS and the crowd who demands quality will stay home and watch TMC or MAD MEN. <P> And so are you going to punish Michael Bay for being a bad filmmaker when he can appeal to a least the bigger demographic? Those who just like spectacle? His films suck but he can cater to an audience who wants loud BOOMS. The same audience that loved Star Wars, and sat next to the person who loved the use of mythology. <P> As for older audiences, they have always been fickle fans, They have options now and are cautious - that is why they are intelligent. They will not JUST show up. They need something that is guaranteed good, and since you can't guarantee that something will be good why not just guarantee that it will be in a well like genre with conventions that audience likes? And if you can do that, it is only a short step away from narrowing the focus so you appeal only to a select group who cares only about the narrowest of defined genres ("Hey, super-heroes! Awesome!"). GREED has always been the motivating factor. Art was always secondary, but the thing was ART used to be rewarded because that would guarantee you a bigger audience. You would get the smart people who wanted to hear "to be or not to be" and you would get the groundlings. The difference between now and the past is that with less options the great movies also could cater to a more mass audience and attract both.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    ...ha! The old I know now what I must do...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I will make the ultimate sacrifice, and warm you with my own naked flesh...<P> ...there is no other way, what must be done, must be done...

  • June 22, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Combatative?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I even let The Kinks thing slide.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    GREEN HORNET looks like crap to me

    by Continentalop

    But it reminds me of an idea I had for the Batman comic.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I think it should be noted, here.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I am the one arguing the positive. 'Lop's is the cynical perspective...GRIN!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    ...into every man's life...

    by Hi5Effect

    there does come a time, when he must strip an unconscious, dripping, freezing young woman of her clothes and make the ultimate sacrifice of laying on her shivering body.<P>of course, normally this time in a man's life coincides with his first nocturnal emission and takes place solely in his dreams, but for a lucky few...

  • June 22, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    The worst thing about the GREEN HORNET trailer

    by Subtitles_Off

    is the dialogue. It's all exposition and worse.<P>"Will you take my hand and join me on this adventure?"<P>"I will join you, but I will not touch you."<P>"But will you join me on this adventure?"<P>"I will join you on this adventure."<P>Um, asked, answered, asked again and re-answered. Why don't you just touch him, see what he does?

  • June 22, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    So, my choice is to stay home and watch MAD MEN,

    by Subtitles_Off

    because that's what I'm supposed to do? Hollywood knows me better than I know myself.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    And with that I am out of here

    by Continentalop

    Subs, always a pleasure debating with you. But if I can make a suggestion, next time let us have coffee and make a couple more witty replies. <P> I like to imagine we are doing a kind of 70s round table or intelligent talkshow, like Dick Cavett used to do, <P> "Today on the Subtitles_Off show we'll be discussing the diversity and homogenizing in the world of film and mass media. My first guest is TedKordLives, President of the AFL-CIO..."

  • June 22, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Can we have a large-breasted girl on-set?

    by Subtitles_Off

    You know, to cut away to the commercials.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    See ya, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    that joke is going for the rush hour crowd..

    by Six Demon Bag

    it is the new DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUTTA MY MOUTH?!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Subs, the don't make many true Westerns anymore

    by Continentalop

    So obviously the don't feel the need to cater to every potential audience and just let them live with what is out there. <P> Why isn't there good movies being made for an intelligent audience? I could just as soon ask why isn't there Westerns or Musicals being made - they only cater to an audience they know will show up. <P> And with that, bye for now.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Thanks, btw, for naming the show after me.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You just cut our demographic down to a chair-bound old woman and a man who never ventures outside his house.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Workers of the world unite!

    by TedKordLives

    Bing bing bang POPCORN!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    ...large-breasted girl? But we'd just objectify her...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...bosoms, thus hastening the downfall and degradation of Western Civilization!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    i will let you borrow the govs secretary from BLAZING SADDLES

    by Six Demon Bag

    i have her chained in my basement..<P>say that reminds me i need to feed her, its been a couple of days.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    LION KING being upconverted to 3D..

    by Six Demon Bag

    maybe aladdin next?

  • June 22, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    ...I know I would, anyway.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    But, she'd objectify herself, because she's business savvy.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Which means, we can blame her for the objectification.<P>It works!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    ...THE SUBTITLES_OFF SHOW...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in my head.<P> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEVxnRbOVvA

  • June 22, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Aladdin 3D would be GREAT...

    by D.Vader

    ... during the magic carpet ride escape from the Cave of Wonders sequence.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    the stampede in LION KING would be nice..

    by Six Demon Bag

    so would CIRCLE OF LIFE and BE PREPARED.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    flickapoo treats objects

    by Hi5Effect

    as women, man.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I love Be Prepared

    by D.Vader

    I haven't seen that movie in ages, but a friend of mine gave me a shit-ton of music on a hard drive. I was going through and came across a lot of Disney stuff. Relistened to that one. I love Jeremy Irons' work in that film. Alan Rickman needs to voice a Disney villain next. Ya hear me Pixar?

  • June 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I've never seen LION KING.

    by TedKordLives

    Weird, right?

  • June 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Who is this Hi5Effect guy?

    by D.Vader

    I like his style, Dude.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Yes weird, TedKord

    by D.Vader

    Arguably one of the greatest animated movies of all time, I'd say. Its pretty damn epic. I wish Kung Fu Panda had even attempted to be as epic as The Lion King.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    tedders

    by Six Demon Bag

    DUDE!!! watch yerself some LION KING! it is good..<P>the broadway musical is good too..<P>julie taymor is a goddess. stupid elliot goldenthal has her.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    might the noob suggest Penelope Menchacas

    by Hi5Effect

    of the Univision sensation 12 Corazones as the large breasted referee?<P>http://tinyurl.com/26wzogz

  • June 22, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Rare, Teddy. Not necessarily weird.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You'd probably be surprised by the number of people who have never seen THE LION KING.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Eh.

    by TedKordLives

    I'll prolly do with LION KING what I've done with E.T.-if I ever get to have a kid, we'll watch it for the first time together.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    sorry, that should have been this link

    by Hi5Effect

    http://tinyurl.com/258jzvy

  • June 22, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    She's #69

    by D.Vader

    Ahahahahahahahahaha.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    SimuThought, Teddy!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen E.T. EITHER?!?!

    by D.Vader

    SMACK

  • June 22, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Hi5Effect

    I'm just a casual Peebing Tom that sticks his head out long enough to link some TnA before he retreats to the dark, nappy bushes where he likes to hide and watch.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I know, Vades.

    by TedKordLives

    My bad. <P> Funny story, tho: Back around the time they last re-released E.T., my girl at the time and I were having troubles. We reconciled, and decided to go see E.T. On the way to the theater, tho, I changed our mind and took us to the other theater across town to watch the re-release of THE EXORCIST instead. We are no longer together.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Nice one, Subby!

    by TedKordLives

  • June 22, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    ...that Penélope Menchaca page is a bottomless...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...rabbit hole of T&A clips...not cool. I got shit to do, man.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    "Peebing Tom"

    by TedKordLives

    I like it.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Nice job Teds

    by D.Vader

  • June 22, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Works for me Hi5

    by D.Vader

    He's alive!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Thanks.

    by TedKordLives

    I had never seen THE EXORCIST at that point, so I had to prioritize.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I have never see THE LION KING

    by STLost

    or ALADDIN.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I saw Aladdin for my 11th birthday

    by D.Vader

    HOOK for my 10th. I've loved them both since.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Ever get the feeling...

    by STLost

    like you're being watched? <P> It's just Hi5Effect in the bushes.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    There you go, Ted. You're not alone.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Never seen ALADDIN?

    by TedKordLives

    My turn to be outraged! <P> Not really, tho. I will say that ALADDIN was one of the few games that was better on the Sega Genesis than its Super Nintendo counterpart. In my estimation, anyway.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I have never seen

    by Subtitles_Off

    3 of 4 Indiana Jones movies or any BACK TO THE FUTURES. I have also only seen the first ROCKY film.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I'm with you on that one, Teddy

    by D.Vader

    The Aladdin games I mean. Back when games weren't the same thing just ported over. <p> SUBBY! You've never seen 3 of the Indy Jones flicks or the BTTF series? BLASPHEMY! LIES! I refuse to believe it!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I have not seen 10 of the 107 potential Pantheon inductees.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • June 22, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I guess we've all got those, huh?

    by TedKordLives

    Movies that slipped thru the cracks for one reason or another. <P> But Subby, you are really depriving yourself as far as BACK TO THE FUTURE goes. In my opinion, the first BTTF is a perfect movie. In every way.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Wow Vades.

    by TedKordLives

    I didn't think ANYONE here would've known what I was talking about there.<P> Cool beans, pally.

  • June 22, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah didn't the SNES version look just like...

    by D.Vader

    ... Animation and the Genesis version had its own style? Or was it vice versa...

  • June 22, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    speaking of the Pantheon...

    by STLost

    only 3 more days until the ballots!

  • June 22, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Just looked it up on YouTube

    by D.Vader

    The Genesis version was the animated version. Definitely superior.

  • June 22, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    EARTHWORM JIM was another one.

    by TedKordLives

    Most of the time I felt profoundly ripped-off because I owned a Sega, but sometimes I won out.

  • June 22, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Reminds me, I gotta get in touch with Yackbacker

    by Subtitles_Off

    to remind him about counting votes.

  • June 22, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    so if ballots are sent out on the 25th...

    by STLost

    then when are votes and possible inductees announced? The 30th? Then July 1st we get our next 3 ?

  • June 22, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Subs, concerning the Natural Gas Drilling...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/06/22/2283810/high-impact-gas-well-approved.html

  • June 22, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Vades.

    by TedKordLives

    It was like playing the movie-beautiful.

  • June 22, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Tonight's $1 movie at the Alamo:

    by TedKordLives

    www.tinyurl.com/325sq9b <P> Already got my ticket.

  • June 22, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ST, I figured...

    by Subtitles_Off

    votes would be due by the 30th, so Yack can announce The Inductees on the 1st. I suggested he ask for volunteers for next month's Cooler King on the ballot. That way, he can name The Cooler King when he announces the Inductees and that Peeb can go ahead right then, or next day, randomize the next three (once I've corrected the list, removing the inductees and renumbering the others).

  • June 22, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    I am assuming you saw RAIDERS..you really need to see DOOM and CRUSADE. Damn man had I known or remembered I wouldn't have used my rec on la story

  • June 22, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    HA! Sixies,

    by Subtitles_Off

    that would be the reason I didn't tell you until now.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Question, RE: Pantheon.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The votes should remain secret, but should the vote percentages be announced? Or should it just be an blanket announcement, "such and such was inducted," for example.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I'll be cooler king

    by Six Demon Bag

    And first on TEMPLE OF DOOM.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I would prefer the number of votes and percentages...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 22, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Exact number of votes, I say not.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Because, it is possible, mathematically, that different titles can be inducted with much different numbers of votes, due to abstentions, and that puts an unnecessary stigma on the film, in my view.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    But that's just my view...

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's for the group to decide.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I don't personally see any stigma...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    If twelve people vote and 12 vote yes for Film A ….7 vote yea, 1 votes no and 4 abstain for Film B, and …6 vote yes and 6 abstain from Film C, I would call all three inducted based on the predominance of those who vote per film…Maybe, I don’t understand the procedure…

  • June 22, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    A Reagan-appointed judge, with stock in oil companies,

    by Subtitles_Off

    has over-turned Obama's ban on off-shore drilling. And another idiot compares the President's reaction to the Gulf disaster as too punitive, using the argument that "even after the catastrophic events of Sept. 11, airlines were only closed for three days." <P>Bunch of knobs.<P> http://tinyurl.com/33cbm3u

  • June 22, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    By all means, knobs...

    by TedKordLives

    ...speed up the end of the world. <P> I'm getting bored already over here!

  • June 22, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Nope, Cheeses.

    by Subtitles_Off

    In your scenario, Film B is not inducted. It didn't get the 85% of the vote needed to veto the single "nay." It's not a predominance.<P>Similarly, Film C does not get inducted, either. It didn't meet the requirement of 65% "yays."<P>We discussed this, although we never did ratify it, but this process ensures, uh, sorta, we're inducting the GREAT films, not just the good and/or popular ones. It puts the emphasis on persuasion and debate throughout the month.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    If 12 people voted...

    by Subtitles_Off

    A film would need 10 "yays" to veto any "nays." And, it would need at least 8 "yays" (with 4 "abstains") to earn induction.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Now this is a fun game

    by D.Vader

    If you can get it to work: TRANSFORMICE <p>http://transformice.com/en/index.html

  • June 22, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Now, say you announce the number of votes...

    by Subtitles_Off

    Out of 12 votes, DIE HARD, for example, gets 10 "yays" and 2 "nays." Not only does it not earn induction, but you know, or you assume, I voted "nay." Potentially, you could resent my keeping DIE HARD out of The Pantheon so much that you'd refuse to consider favorably any of my future choices.<P>Now, say some month in the future, only 7 people vote, and a film gets in with six votes. Some fan of DIE HARD yells, "My favorite had more votes than that!"<P>It makes the whole thing a lot less fun.<P>Remember, any film that doesn't get inducted, now, is still eligible for induction the next time it's selected. Do a better job of persuading me to vote for DIE HARD, then.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Boy is it going to suck...

    by D.Vader

    If for some ungodly reason, another oil well blows in the gulf. <p> FUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOU.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Tedders

    by Six Demon Bag

    Are you still here I just saw your GROSSE quote!!!<p>I don't wanna get into a semantic argument I just want the protein

  • June 22, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    In the previous example, my math is wrong.

    by Subtitles_Off

    If 12 people voted, DIE HARD &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>would &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>be inducted with 10 "yays."<P>But, you'd still know I voted against it.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    Lay out the voting rules. I agreed with them once just forgot them

  • June 22, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Anybody who thinks the 85% and 65%

    by Subtitles_Off

    for voting in The Pantheon need to be adjusted, make your case before the first ballots get sent out.

  • June 22, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    "But, you'd still know I voted against it."

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    But, I only know that because you already told me…If I know 4 people voted no, then I know I have a tougher battle ahead if and when the movie ever comes back up…And, as for torpedoing one of your noms…that’s almost as insulting as wondering what is to keep the vote counter from giving whatever inductions he decides he wants and trashing the others regardless of the votes…I think the more transparent the transaction the better…

  • June 22, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    A film needs to get

    by Subtitles_Off

    &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>at least &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>65% affirmative of the total votes cast to merit induction. If a film has received &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>any &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>negative votes, however, it must achieve 85% affirmative of the total votes cast.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Insulting?

    by Subtitles_Off

    One is an issue of human nature; the other is much more a question of trust.<P>What do the others think?

  • June 22, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Sounds like perfection to me subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    And I won't hold any grudges on any negative votes.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Thanks Sixes!

    by TedKordLives

    Grosse Pointe Blank is an eminently quotable movie.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Human nature?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    What humans you been hanging out with, Subs…?<p>I don’t think anyone in this group is that spiteful, anymore than I think any of our vote counters would cheat…<p>I mean, what’s the point in playing if it comes down to egos?

  • June 22, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Frankly, I'd rather not know only

    by Subtitles_Off

    12 people voted. And, I'd rather not know that a film was "torpedoed," as you put it (or, as I put it in my rhetorical example) by a single vote or two. By the same token, in my opinion, it's extremely important that "nay" votes have an impact, because it is "greatness" or "< p >reference" we're talking about.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Personally

    by TedKordLives

    I just don't see any Peebs acting in such a spiteful manner as to actively naysay someone else's nom because they didn't vote for yours. <P> If we were that kind of people we'd be somewhere screaming at AsimovLives for not liking cheese.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Lost does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Aha! I've now seen the finale of Lost. I can be spoiled no more... that's a weight off.<p> Flicka, Hi5 is most certainly not me. I'm the one and only. But he is most certainly a peeber...<p> Just trying to remember who was there when we were cracking the 'nocturnal emmisions' joke.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Cheeses, understand,

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm talking general "you." I'm not targeting anybody, in particular. Nor am I assuming anybody would react any way. I'm just giving examples of why I wouldn't be in favor of complete transparency. <P>And, I am hoping to encourage the participation of ever more Talkbackers, for the sake of fun. Who knows who reacts how? Some lurker sees only half a dozen people are involved in the process, they could very well think, "Why bother?"

  • June 22, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Hi5, GaryOldman, Asimov_Lives = THE SAME DEMENTED GENIUS!<p> Maybe?

  • June 22, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    "you're a fucking psy-cho"

    by Six Demon Bag

    Hey Jenny slater<p>Hey Jenny slater<p>Hey Jenny slater<p>Hey JHey Jenny slater<p>enny slater<p>

  • June 22, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    No, because GaryOldman is 'moose, and Underscore

    by Subtitles_Off

    is Stabby.<P>Now Hi5 could be one or the other, but he can't be both.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Sixies

    by TedKordLives

    That's the best line AND best delivery of Minnie Driver's entire career, hands down.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Why are we curious or suspicious of Hi5 being someone

    by Subtitles_Off

    else? What did I miss?

  • June 22, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Talk about transparency, that's the kind

    by Subtitles_Off

    I can get behind. New handles have to identify themselves, if they've had a previous Peeber relationship.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Six Demon Bag

    I love that line. I've thought about firsting it for that line alone.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    SECONDED

    by Six Demon Bag

    Grosse point blank

  • June 22, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    ...ha! Cobra, I was just playing off Hi5's plea for more...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...breastfeeding scenes in kiddie flicks.

  • June 22, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    ...GROSSE POINT BLANK thirded.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ...you're a handsome devil...what's your name?

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    ...are you OK?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...no I'm not OK!<P> I'm hurt...<P> I'm pissed...<P> I gotta get a new job!

  • June 22, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    This is me breathing.

    by TedKordLives

    chik-chik

  • June 22, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    ...look, I don't want to get into a semantic argument...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...with you...<P> I just want the protein.

  • June 22, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Harry...

    by johnwayne79

    whers you're review for Winters Bone? I'm on the edge of my seat

  • June 22, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    "you can never go home again

    by Hi5Effect

    but I guess you can shop there. I'm standing here in my living room except it isn't here." Also, Hi5 is only Hi5. I think I contributed to a main thread ages ago with a different call sign, but I forgot the name and forgot the password. There had been one, and now there is another, and tho they are the same, he is still one. Nor shall there ever be two, unless there be another and the former is dead. Then they shall be the same and they shall be one.

  • June 22, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Whatever I did I'll stop it..

    by Six Demon Bag

    It's not me.

  • June 22, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Isn't hiding behind multiple log in's..

    by Hi5Effect

    ..an abomination?<P>I mean, probably not as bad as making graven images or holding other < br> before < P>, but a stench in the nostrils of < P> nontheless?<P>Or did that all go out the window with the < P>rotestant Reformation?

  • June 22, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    See? It's posts like that ,

    by Subtitles_Off

    makes 'em all think you've been around since at least March.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    ...this guy's a quick study...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I did just post that link.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    ...this union, there's gonna be meetings?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sure!<P> No meetings.<P> [BANG!]

  • June 22, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Anyone here seen Winters Bone?

    by johnwayne79

  • June 22, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    ...I can't decide between NO COUNTRY FOR OLD...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...MEN, or a couple SAMURAI JACK and finish BLACK SWAN GREEN.<P> I'm feeling a little anxious...NO COUNTRY could be a mistake...

  • June 22, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Nope.

    by TedKordLives

    Not a man-jack among us has.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Go with SAMURAI JACK...

    by johnwayne79

    Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    talking like one of the < P>haithful

    by Hi5Effect

    is second nature to anyone steeped in < P>rayer circles and street < P>roselatizing.<P>And that link didn't hurt either, Flicka.<P>"He was supposed to die in his sleep!"<P> "He moved."

  • June 22, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    There is only one God...

    by Hi5Effect

    ...and Genndy Tartovsky is his prophet. <P>SAMURAI JACK all the way Flicka, 'specially if any Pee-boys be lacking in knowledge (sorry my Pandor is on hip-hop channel)

  • June 22, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    ...yeah, I think it's a SAMURAI JACK night...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...any given episode never fails to suggest at least two possible ideas for whatever project I'm working on...this way I can watch cartoons all night and call it work!<P> I really need to own all of JACK. Buying it is tax deductible, and watching it is technically work...what could be better for a Pebrew cursed with both laziness and a < P >rotestant work ethic?

  • June 22, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Just updated The Shelter with that link

    by Subtitles_Off

    from yesterday, Flick. Thanks.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Tax deductable cartoons...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You gotta love that, Flick..

  • June 22, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Speaking of which...

    by TedKordLives

    I'm so bored I just might do my taxes tonight.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    hola amigos!

    by water_shit_anderson

    is dexters laboratory a gennedy tartovekovscakovski cartoon?

  • June 22, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    ...we had a good run that night, Subs. < P >osterity...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...thanks you for your archival work...and we in the present do too.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Little late, aren't you, Teddy?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    They were due like two months ago…

  • June 22, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Hola, Water...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 22, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but, they don't care if THEY owe YOU.

    by TedKordLives

    The IRS would probably rather me NOT do my taxes. Besides, when you wait until after the deadline you get your money way faster.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    ...yes, Waterman. And Cheeses...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...if we didn't get SOME perks there wouldn't be any illustrators at all.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    hi cheesman and subs man and ted bro and flick guy!

    by water_shit_anderson

    Subs that natural gas shit you posted about earlier is some scary shit.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    the 5 dollar bottle of vodka i purchased

    by water_shit_anderson

    is assuring me that it is "the finest quality"....but somehow i can't see that being true

  • June 22, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    ...I really liked TIME SQUAD too (not Tartakovsky)...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...as far as I know, it isn't available on DVD or any other format...weird.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    "...if we didn't get SOME perks..."???

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    What ever happened to the self-satisfaction of drawin' a picture real purdy?

  • June 22, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    ...Waters, I've heard you can improve it by running it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...through your charcoal filter water purifier or Brita® filter...people swear by it.

  • June 22, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    All right, fellas.

    by TedKordLives

    Taxes'll haveta wait. I'm off to check out Linda Blair in HELL HOUSE for a buck. According to IMDB it is nudity-free, unfortunately. <P> But I already got my ticket, soooo...

  • June 22, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    oh and flick

    by water_shit_anderson

    congrats on the interest in your book!

  • June 22, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    If flicka's Toons are tax deductible...

    by Hi5Effect

    ...is GROSSE POINT BLANK tax deductibile for the Webcam girl with the nerdy glasses I keep chatting with?

  • June 22, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    hmm i haven't heard that

    by water_shit_anderson

    thanks for the tip

  • June 22, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    ...a man can't live on purdy alone...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...speaking of which, Hi5 is pretty quick with the < P >reaching...do I sense someone with an upbringing similar to ours?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    ...thanks Waters. Only trouble is now I have to...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...back it up...do cool stuff, and stuff.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Thought that, too, Flick...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • June 22, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    ...Ted, watch out for bad guys.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 22, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    diarrhea, I was gonna e-mail that natural gas stuff to you,

    by Subtitles_Off

    but I figured you'd see it in here.<P>My brother works in natural gas. He'll sit there with a smug look on his face and tell you there's poison in everybody's water. What's a little natural gas?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    the pressure would be rough

    by water_shit_anderson

    but all the stuff i've seen of yours has been cool, so i'm sure you can do it <p> good luck!

  • June 22, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    See ya ted

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    it is disturbing that its going on completely unregulated

    by water_shit_anderson

    I was unaware it was happening in my state. After looking into it i see there are people protesting the beginning of a well in my county. <p> Earlier today i had to flee the forest where i was trying to have a good time by eating some blackberries. A field sprayer showed up and started spraying clouds of poison. <p> Can't take a step out the door without breathing in chemical clouds, can't buy fuel that doesn't contribute to the loss of peoples livelihoods and animals habitats, and soon perhaps all our drinking water will be poisoned. <p> Great.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    but on the positive side...

    by water_shit_anderson

    this cheap vodka isn't bad

  • June 22, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    first your bro keeps you from the jungle book...

    by water_shit_anderson

    and now he's getting all smug about natural gas? <p> he's lucky theres a brother code

  • June 22, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    ...by the way, Cheeses, love those posters and stuff...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...at the shelter. I want to go to that Halloween party...that one and the M.I.M., and the 3rd Annual Get Nekkid Summer Bash are particular standouts...<P> Love it.<P>[no children, please]

  • June 22, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Now, if we can just get cheap vodka drilling...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    in my neighborhood...

  • June 22, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    ..."forest where i was trying to have a good time by...

    by FlickaPoo

    ... eating some blackberries".<P> My kind of guy, Waters. I know all the good wild raspberry patches and mulberry trees within walking distance of my house.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    cheap vodka is complementing my groundwater..

    by water_shit_anderson

    my pets are losing fur, but are happy, <p> i have no complaints. <p>

  • June 22, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    complimentaminating*

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    The gas thing is more than just an environmental issue.

    by Subtitles_Off

    They are actually aware of the negatives, but they're deceiving people about them. They're using 500 chemicals, and telling people they're using twelve. They're lobbying Congress for tax breaks and support, and claiming they don't need regulation because the states are doing it.<P>They're finding people who are getting their salaries and benefits cut and saying here's an extra $100 thousand dollars, you don't mind if we do this, do you?<P>It's progress and it's money and it's all those things they're confident none of us give a sh!t about.<P>Hey! The Bachelor is breaking up with that chick he gave all those roses to on TV!

  • June 22, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    ...uh, so I guess run everything through that charcoal...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...filter...not just vodka.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Flick...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    The get Nekkid one was the first and everybody loved it and wanted me to do flyers for their parties… The next WAS the Halloween, Christmas and then the MIB...<p>There are only two characters consistantly in each invitation…the little smoking alien with the goatee, and the guy (or A guy) with a lampshade on his head…It’s like Where’s Waldo…

  • June 22, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    i think it was black raspberries i was eating actually

    by water_shit_anderson

    They are black so i used to, and i guess still do call them blackberries. I've been picking a bunch and putting them on my oatmeal in the morning. <p> Mulberries are good too

  • June 22, 2010, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Watched Hellboy 2 for the first time tonight

    by D.Vader

    Shockingly... I liked it better than the first one. Whatup with that?

  • June 22, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I've got a blueberry bush growing in my backyard

    by D.Vader

    Funny thing is, we planted two blueberry bushes right next to this "tree" back in the spring, not realizing this thing was already a full grown blueberry bush. <p> And to answer your question, yes they were delicious in pancakes.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    when i was younger...

    by water_shit_anderson

    we attempted to start a grapevine in our yard...because grapes are great. <p> But my dad, being a guy that ignores obvious grapevines in progress, mowed right over it. <p> unfortunately I inherited his absentmindedness.

  • June 22, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    We've got a grapevine too

    by D.Vader

    Growing all over our fence. It doesn't bear grapes because, since it has all the room to grow, its got no need to bear fruit. <p> If we cut it back, we'll get the grapes, my dad tells me. Too bad its technically on the other side of the fence.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    all this grape and berry talk has everyone all in a tizzy

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Yum, grapes.

    by Subtitles_Off

    My dad's like that. Footballs, rakes, hoses, grapevines. He don't care. He's on top of that giant honking riding mower.<P>"I told that grapevine to get outta my way!"

  • June 22, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I grew grapes in Nevada....

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    In a shady area of my back yard, and I kept them cut back, but they never produced beyond small clusters that never matured because of the 115 degree Julys and Augusts…plus birds…they LOVE immature grapes…

  • June 22, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    ...once I saw a three hundred dollar old timey...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...motor-less push mower in a catalog...the kind with just two wheels and that cylinder of revolving blades...all precision engineered and blades like razors...supposedly cuts great.<P> I've been dreaming of it ever since, especially when my fucking mower won't start.<P> I bet keeping the blades sharp is crucial and a bitch though...

  • June 22, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    ...just imagine mowing the lawn in peace and quiet...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...wow.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    haha subs!

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    There's a real problem with immature grapes,

    by Subtitles_Off

    running around with their pants below their butt cheeks, waving gang hand signals, doing graffiti and random vandalizations.<P>"Hear this through the grapevine, sukkas! We're grapes! We're young! We don't care about you!"

  • June 22, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    flick...my dad ...besides being at times absentminded

    by water_shit_anderson

    was also into that alternative stuff. He tried mowing with one of those old fashioned mowers all summer one year. It took him forever and for some reason dandelions escaped the amish blades, but he seemed to enjoy it.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Flick, My Grandpa had one of those cylinder mowers...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and, yeah, if you don't sharpen them before almost every use, you are just pushing the grass into a horizontal position… ...

  • June 22, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I'm really starting to hate mowing

    by water_shit_anderson

    for some reason the exhaust on the mower i have is at the front end and it seems like i'm always breathing it in. I need to try to fix it somehow.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I REALLY hate mowing...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    ‘cause at my apartment complex they start mowing at like 8 AM on my regular day off…

  • June 22, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Hey! Anyone up in this piece onight, or what?

    by ScaryWaitress

  • June 22, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    That would be **tonight**, goddammit.

    by ScaryWaitress

  • June 22, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I used to love mowing.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Then I got all preggo and shit, and dh had to mow, and he just kept doing it because he'd rather listen to the lawnmower motor for 45 minutes than deal with the 3yo... which, in his defense, he watched all week, so mowing is actually a break for him.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Helloo Ms Waitress

    by water_shit_anderson

    How are you this evening?

  • June 22, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Hi, Scary...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    How you been?

  • June 22, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    He'd rather mow than play with Li'l Ess?

    by Subtitles_Off

    What kind of a monster is this DH?

  • June 22, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I'm tired, Mr. Anderson. How's it hangin'?

    by ScaryWaitress

  • June 22, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Cameron Diaz on "The Daily Show."

    by Subtitles_Off

    What<P> a flat tire.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    SimuPo, Subs....

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    10:46:19

  • June 22, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    i'm getting towards the tired side myself

    by water_shit_anderson

    we're talking about grapes and raspberries and chemicals and water and vodka. I'm mostly vodka though.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Hi Cheeses, hi Subs!

    by ScaryWaitress

    And, he's not a monster. L'il Ess is. Fortunately, she's awful cute, tho. But she IS a whole lotta child. <P> I fourth Grosse Pointe Blank, btw. I need to see that again.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    So is there a special designation for a SimuPo

    by ScaryWaitress

    if the subject is a fellow Peeber who is present to bear witness?

  • June 22, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Vodka is made from potatoes.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Just thought you'd like to know.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I would like to be mostly vodka.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I'm just mostly too many hella long days at work, tho. <P> One more day and I'm done. Thank < P >.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    simupeeber?

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I saw that, Cheeses. I was @ The Shelter

    by Subtitles_Off

    adding it to the list.<P>It's the 51st.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Actually, Subs, not anymore.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Most of the vodka on the market is made of grain. You have to go out of your way to find potato vodka. <P> Shit, Ciroc vodka is made from grapes... which actually just makes it grappa for pussies. Not commies, just pussies. Commies drink the real potato shit, like Luksosowa.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    i imagine the 5 dollar kind must be the grain kind.

    by water_shit_anderson

  • June 22, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Bah! They've changed the recipe of vodka?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Who &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>are &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj</br>these people in charge of doing these things?

  • June 22, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    diarrhea, you're drinking vodka flavored grain.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Better take some extra chewable vitamins before you go to bed.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    "Extra" meaning,

    by Subtitles_Off

    1 or 2 more than you'd usually take, not "extra" as in so chewable you hurt your jaw.

  • June 22, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST