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Space Jockey carcass a suit? A new Larry McMurtry western? Alien Prequels! Blade Runner! Ridley Scott speaks!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here, fresh from a dinner that felt like a prequel to this summer’s Comic-Con. One of the interesting things about Geoff Boucher’s Hero Complex Film Fest is that it’s drawing a ton of comic book people, so tonight I ended up eating in the company of some of the greats of the industry. Ed Brubaker, Mike Mignola and Tim Bradstreet to completely name drop like a fiend.
It was a surreal topper to an already crazy day. To drop another massive name, I was able to arrange a brief sit-down with Ridley Scott prior to his Q&A. I had to sacrifice watching the last hour of Alien, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that movie before. Heh.
I’ll have that interview for you very soon. We talk quite a bit about his interest in going 3D with the Alien prequel, something that wasn’t discussed at his Q&A.
If it’s not a problem with you guys I’d like to jump right into the Q&A. I could write a few dozen pages on the amazing filmmaking of Alien and Blade Runner, but if I’m to be perfectly honest I have an early flight back home and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be able to do a retrospective look back at these two brilliant films justice or even finish this article before the sleep genie bonks me on the head with his club or mallet or whatever the hell sleep genies assault fat film geeks with.
Brief look back: Alien – still brilliant. Blade Runner – I miss that Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer is kind of a genius and good God was Sean Young hot.
Now on to the Q&A!
- After enjoying his time in France on his first feature, THE DUELLISTS, Scott was developing Tristan & Isolde.
- Then producer David Putnam asked if he wanted to see this movie called Star Wars. He saw it at the Chinese theater and the vibe in the theater, the expectation of the crowd, made him think he was in for a life-changing event: “I watched Star Wars and walked out (afterwards). I was sick with envy. I hated George (Lucas, obviously) and figured that was the end of Tristan & Isolde.
- A month later Scott received the script for Alien. “They had seen the film, The Duellists, at Cannes and for some bizarre reason connected… ‘I wonder if this guy could do science fiction?’ I discovered later on that I was the fifth choice. The script was about to die on the vine and I read it and said, ‘Damn! I know what to do with this!’ Because I had been reading all the Jean Giraud/Moebius stuff.”
- Scott called Moebius up and asked him to design the movie. Moebius didn’t have the time to design the whole thing, but he did design all the costumes, the wardrobe, the space suits and the helmets.
- Scott was in Hollywood, at Fox Studios, within 27 hours after receiving the script for Alien.
- Fox asked if he wanted to change anything in the script. Scott said, “No.” He then asked if there were any filmmakers in the audience and gave some advice. “Don’t turn a go film into a development deal.” That’s what he believes would have happened if he started a whole new round of conversation with the script for Alien.
- The first read is the most important for any screenplay. When Scott reads a script, he wakes up at 6am and turns off all phones and “God help anybody who disturbs me.”
- The original budget for ALIEN was $4.2 million. Ridley went home and as the deal was being drawn up he began work on storyboarding the film himself, having been an art student. A month later he went back to Fox and showed them his boards. The budget doubled, went from $4.2 to $8.4 after Alan Ladd saw the vision on display in the boards.
- Scott said Fox never asked him back after the first Alien. He didn’t even know the second film was being made until it was in production.
- After Blade Runner, which was a tough experience for him, someone said to him, “Why do you make boring movies that people can’t understand?” So, he said “Okay. And I went off and made LEGEND.” Huge laughs at that. “That was a bloody disaster. It’s a wonder I’m still employed!” Boo on that, I love Legend. Luckily Scott followed this up immediately with:
- “A journalist said to me, ‘In the down period of your career which followed Legend…’ I haven’t had a down period in my career. I’ve enjoyed every goddamn movie I’ve made.”
- Scott approached Legend as his attempt to make a live action cartoon, like Snow White and other like Disney films. So, he decided he was going to do a live action fairy story, like a Grimm Fairy Tale. Then he went on to praise Tim Curry’s work in the flick and said he thought Tom Cruise was great in it.
- On the Alien prequel: “I sat thinking about the franchise, which now has died on the road somewhere way back and lying in the dust, and thought what I should do is go back… in the first Alien, when John Hurt climbed up and over the top of the rise… there was a massive giant lying in a chair. The chair was either a form of engine or some piece of technology and I always thought no one has ever asked who was the space jockey?”
- The Alien prequel will be broken into two films. The scripts are written and Scott is prepping it now.
- Time frame is way before Alien. Not only will we find out who the Space Jockey is, we’ll find out where his people come from.
- The first Alien was The Old Dark House with 7 people with an unwelcome visitor. Scott loved the script, but it was a very basic screenplay.
-The prequel will go further into the world of terraforming and will focus on the realities of what it takes to leave for another planet. He mentioned the theory of Near Faster-Than-Light travel, which is complete science fiction at the moment; “Mr. Spock stuff” as he called it, rearranging matter essentially, but theoretically possible. “But what we’re allowed to do by movies is to cheat like hell. But I think the closer it is to the truth, the closer it is to the technological feasibility then it becomes that much more interesting. And if it’s a film like the one I’m going to do, then it becomes that much more frightening.”
- From his discussions with NASA people he heard that if we had been able to stick with JFK’s space plan we would more than likely have had colonists on Mars by now.
- Sigourney Weaver’s test “could have been cut into the movie.” Scott didn’t cast her until three weeks before photography, so he was able to screen test her on the built sets.
- She came to the audition in high heels. “I’m not a midget, I’m 5’8”, but Jesus Christ I was always looking up at her!”
- The idea was Ripley would gradually earn her position in the forefront during the drama. “When you see her at the kitchen table at the beginning of the film you think, ‘Okay, she’s gonna be the first one to go… in a big, gory horrible mess!’”
- When she tells Yaphet Kotto to shut the fuck up he was really needling her and she really lost her temper with him. “It’s great that it’s on film.”
- When Harrison Ford came in to meet Ridley Scott in London for Blade Runner he was wearing his entire Indiana Jones outfit, having come straight from the set of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
- When casting Blade Runner, Scott told the studios he wanted to cast “this guy called Harrison Ford.” The studio asked who that was. “He was the guy that drives that funny circular vehicle in Star Wars… The Maltese Falcon? What’s it called?” Lots of laughs and lots of corrections from the audience. “The Millenium Falcon. They said, ‘Why him?’ I said, “Well, Steven (Spielberg) and George have decided this guy is the star of Indiana Jones. I think you want him to follow-up in this film.”
- Scott said the Blade Runner script read really, really well because it was filled with great prose (description) and some “damn good” dialogue as well.
- On the friction between Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott on the set of Blade Runner… : “It was a very difficult world to climb in to because I knew exactly what I wanted. Once again I was very influenced by Moebius. For me to describe what’s happening all the time and why it’s raining all the time drove me nuts, so I got very bad-tempered. I said, ‘It’s raining because I want it to fuckin’ rain, okay?!? Turn the fuckin’ taps up!’ I got fed up explaining myself.”
- Scott operates the camera… He operated the entire run of The Duellists, Alien and Legend. “If you’re an operator it’s really frustrating because it’s a bit like being a surgeon in the room on a heart operation and you can’t touch the patient.”
- Scott underwent knee surgery and he’s now having to go to a gym for physical therapy. When he started going to the gym he recognized Harrison Ford, who is putting on muscle “and is looking good.” I assume that’s for Cowboys and Aliens.
- Ridley said his brother, Tony, directed two of the best student films he’s ever seen. One is called One of the Missing, the other is called In Loving Memory.
- The Forever War (based on the book by Joe Haldeman) is something Scott has been trying to do for years. They’re on the fourth draft currently.
- The two films that turned Scott onto Science Fiction were THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL and ON THE BEACH.
- Scott doesn’t believe in rehearsal. “The closest I get is maybe sitting around a table and reading, having a discussion.”
- He likes Mel Brooks’ Robin Hood, but “doesn’t go for” the green stockings on Errol Flynn. Loves Ivanhoe.
- Is a second Robin Hood film a possibility? “I’d like it. I really enjoyed myself.”
- The title Blade Runner comes from William S. Burroughs. They paid him $4,000 for it.
- FirstShowing.net's Alex Billington sent me a heads up after posting this that Scott also mentioned they're going to be exploring Zeta 2 Reticuli, the same system from Alien. Naturally they'd be going back at some point if the prequel leads up to Alien, but from what Scott was saying it seems like this system plays a large role in the prequels.
- Larry McMurtry is writing a western for Ridley Scott right now! Holy shit!
- On the Space Jockey: “I think beneath that carcass… it’s not a carcass, it’s a suit. Inside the suit is a being.” An interesting hint at to what he’s doing with the prequels, perhaps?
That concludes my coverage of the Hero Complex Film Festival. I had a great time and I hope you guys enjoyed reading about it.
I’m headed home soon, but I’ll be working on my exclusive, if too brief, sit-down with Sir Ridley Scott and aim to have that up very soon! Keep an eye out!
-Quint
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What?
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Somebody should get an "Airtight Garage" script together. It's ripe for an adaptation.
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Did we know that already? Or did you just slip a bombshell in there? These films will undoubtedly blow. Hard.
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Not excited about the Alien prequels though.
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You're killing the mystery, Ridley! The Space Jockey is so damn interesting because it's a mystery! And Giger designed it as a BEING, not a suit. I have a bad feeling about this...
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Doesn't compare to the book.
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I'd rather eat fistfuls of shit. 3D is a distracting gimmick and not compatible with the tone of the first Alien film. That sort of gimmick would just cheapen it all.
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Was never about eye-candy.
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Looks like skull & bones to me: http://tinyurl.com/28jbqx2 And here's Giger's original: http://tinyurl.com/2fxzs6b Dammit Ridley, just film The Forever War or something that hasn't been done before, instead of draining a beloved movie dry of all mystery (like FOX hasn't already done it).
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i've worked with him dozens of times and am currently a script consultant on the two alien prequels
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The guys made some great films. I too am very disappointed at the idea that its taking away the mystery of the "space jock". I would love for the prequels to have no human characters and take place in the Giger universe exploited. I guess I must be content with the art books. Still, Cant help but be intrigued that a scifi movie (2 of them) from Scott are on the way. Have hope, maybe this will turn out better then we can imagine.
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"IT'S RAINING BECAUSE I WANT IT TO FUCKIN' RAIN, OK?!?!" ...classic
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...goddammit, Ridley...DUNE.
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Jun 14, 2010 6:55:06 AM CDT
"It's raining cos I fuckin' want it to rain!"
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
LOL. Ridley is a funny guy. You lot should have more faith in the Alien prequel. He's going for realism, he's got his science head on like Cameron. I'm betting he'll deliver.
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JettL1993 can only consult so many scripts. The kid only gets an hour of sleep a night as it is.
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'ooohhh look at me, I don't rate blade runner, I'm sooo cool'
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Jun 14, 2010 6:59:26 AM CDT
I'd rather see Jodorowsky re-animate his version of DUNE
by theumpirestrokesbach
Or maybe take over MONOPOLY. Man, that'd be something...
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I just hope he remembers why people are so intrigued by the Space Jockey to begin with -- because we know nothing about it. Keep the mystery, Ridley. But damn, I love the terraforming idea, where he's going with that, what makes people tick who travel to other planets to make a new home. That would be worth seeing, with or without aliens and space jockeys.
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Boring.
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..JettL1993 is responsible for the Space Jockeys rumored interest in homo-sex? It's all starting to make sense now.
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...any bets on the Space Jockey being female?
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Fuck all the haters. This movie is a masterpiece. Well, the version without the voiceover, that is. ;-)
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Go eat a shit sandwich and choke, JettL.
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Space Jockey will be female, who went looking for snu snu. About the right size, too. http://tinyurl.com/djnrab
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You mean just like your dad is responsible for your interest in homo-sex
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Can't imagine modern ADD audiences watching a film where the monster is first seen on screen after half the running time has passed.
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By coincidence, I saw those two Tony Scott student films at the BFI in London last week. They really are excellent, hints at a very different and thoughtful path his career could have taken.
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Clearly he is jealous of you.And Bodacious, he doesn't have time to eat a shit sandwich, too busy banging out scripts. The drive to make breathtaking movies encompasses JettL, something you wouldn't understand.He's really more machine than man.
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I'm just jealous. What, with the whole "I'm rubber, you're glue" bit. Genius. No wonder he's such an in demand collaborator.
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I wish he wasn't doing prequels. That sucks.
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but looking back he's made some great stuff: The Hunger, Revenge, The Last Boy Scout especially.
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he's a master. Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, 1492, Gladiator, Kingodm of Heaven... all awesome. His lesser films are better than most directors best. I feel sorry for all those that didn't enjoy Robin Hood because their heads were stuck so far up their asses.
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now that would be f'ing awesome.
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I have mixed feelings for Blade Runner. I appreciate the film for its iconic settings, it's inspirational imagery, production design and it's cult following BUT yet I personally feel the Story is lacking and... not that (dare I say it) engaging. Plus I feel it has dated poorly in some areas.
I own the 5 disc complete collectors edition which has 5 versions of the film and some amazing extras and I will always treasure it... plus like I said I find the imagery and design very inspiring and thats what I will always love about Blade Runner -
Jun 14, 2010 7:42:54 AM CDT
Argh that fucking optrex advert is the most irritating ad this s
by porco drunko
Can't wait to get my hands on alien on Blu Ray. They'd better do a stellar job on it or I'll scream bloody murder.
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Is there really even a good prequel that isn't "Godfather part 2"?
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Judas Priest a fucking suit. Out pops fucking Lady Gaga or some dipshit human actress with prosthetic ears and there goes any hope right out the damn airlock.
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Squirrel Girl, INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM was supposedly a prequel. Aside from that i'm at a loss.
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The clues are focusing on the giant and focusing on terraforming. Nature message plus giant aliens yep. "Hey what do we own that we can turn into our Avatar?" "Well we still have the rights to Alien, get Rid on the phone."
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It's good but not great. The theme tune is improved from ROTLA though.
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Mystery. I think if Scott can maintain that air of mystery right up to release (not easy in this day and age), then this movie could be something special. A new ALIEN movie in 3D... mystery, tension, horror. Scott showing us visuals like we've never seen on-screen before.
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I'm sure they wont be as awful as the star wars prequels but not much is.
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Maybe if you take your dick out of JettL's ass, he can just taste the shit from that instead of on a sandwich.
The only scripts he's banging out are probably for gay porn.
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they just want another one. Trust me, it's how these people think. Anything shiny they want to duplicate. Now that doesn't mean the film has to suck, I'm sure the original Alien got greenlighted simply because some other horror film made a lot of money and they had that script on hand to try to cash in.
Also, I don't get why people say he's ruining his own legacy with these films. The franchise can't be ruined anymore than it already has been by the stuff made post Cameron's Aliens. While I'm cynical about why this is being made and braced for disappointment, it would be like bombing rubble if it was bad, the damage is already done. Nowhere to go but up. -
Temple of Doom is not only great, it's awesome.
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Its an almost perfect film.
I have no problem with the image we are all familiar with of the Space Jockey being his suit.
The head was obviously his, but the rest could be a suit with a rotted corpse in it.
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I always figured the Derelict was a spacegoing 18-wheeler, the Jockey was a truck driver, and the load of eggs was his cargo. Shit got out of hand when he ran out of jerky and decided to make himself an omelet.
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JettL has never steered us wrong. I'm not sure where all this animosity is coming from.The man works his tail off working on all the scripts known to man, and you have to call him names?I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask why you are attacking the messenger.
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I'd watch Ridley Scott film two geriatric men fuckin. I bet it would look spectacular.
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Jun 14, 2010 8:40:33 AM CDT
Jett is my favorite scriptwriter, just beats William Goldman
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
closely followed by Paul Schrader...
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Jun 14, 2010 8:50:40 AM CDT
Well, the Space Jockey suit thing *is* out of left-field...
by benbraddock
Surely a good thing? Way I see it is that someone is going to do an Alien prequel so that someone may as well be Ridley. His two attempts at sci-fi thus far were masterpieces.
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Am I all alone in here?
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Legend is bizarre but brilliant. A fantastical dream-state piece of cinema.
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An underrated Ridley film that just grows in intensity minute by minute. So different than his other stuff.
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After seeing how beautiful Thelma & Louise's Deserts were theatrically..I was hoping he would make a western since then. Love me some Legend..but only the original US theatrical and European Theatrical..the directors cut played sloppy like the test cut that it was.
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That is more bad ass than the Barney treatment in the original script and Alan Dean novel. The Derelict being a planet bomber. Dropping tons of Alien eggs over a world killing all it's life forms with bio engineered killing machines. Salting the earth by leaving a race of Xenomorphs and their dormant eggs ready to snag any looky loos. Now that's harsh shit, but say the Predators showed up and took some Jockey's beloved offspring as a trophy. You could see these giants saying let fuck some shit up on these bastards. A suit really? You know they want to do that to save costs and create a character that stupid teenage girls and your mom can relate to. I'm overreacting you say. We'll see because you all know Hollywood is great at fucking over the audience.
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Yeah, I liked Legend also. I saw it in the theaters and enjoyed the design of the villain. Then again I liked the 1977 cartoon Wizards also.
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Knob Jockey.
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I trust his judgement.
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Loved Legend too -- been yaers since I've seen it, mind you. Where's the cardboard cut out of Darkness, btw — is it under the bed/ ;-)
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Hey guys figured i'd just post there here since there really no where else to post them-Mortal kombat rebirth is getting huge attention and it's look like Warners wants to go ahead with it, the only problems are with casting, WB wan't's megan fox in the sonya blade role, they say jeri ryan isn't known enough and only appeals to a small market of star trek fans. They also are interested in offering the role of Rayden to bruce willis, but thats something producers do not want, and the final sticking point in terms of casting is that WB would like to see john cho as lou kang, although producers had invisioned an older acotr in the role-superman reborn is coming along niceley, expect a director and possibley an actor announcment during comic con-also expect some batman 3 announcement's at comic con, including the title and teaqser poster-I've just goten word that FOX does plan to go ahead with an A-team sequel for 2012, the script should start to be hammered out by augustalso expect some huge marvel news at comic con. They arein the process of retaining some rights to characters and hope to anounce it around comic con, but i can't say too much as i don't want to jeopardize the legalaity of the deal
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Plastic knobjockeys?
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"Fossilized. Looks like it's grown out of the chair."
To me that line was key to the mystery of the whole alien/space jockey thing. This ship and these eggs have been here for eons, undisturbed. I know it's all speculation just now but how is that going to be tackled?
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Jun 14, 2010 9:26:22 AM CDT
It's the terrible spelling that sells it you see people
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
not to mention little knowledge of the subject matter. Having read quite a few scripts jett seems right on the money.
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The Jockeys are an intelligent race, why would they walk around nekkid? Space is cold ya know...
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We have chosen not to include robin in our 3 baman films, but DC has just comisioned a script for a nightwing film, the character will not be conected to batman but it will be disck grayson and it will fit into the justice league world of green lantern and superman, nightwing might also make an appearance in the justice league film but i'm not sure since i haven't written that one yet
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And really, JettL has so much on his plate that it's up to his minions to fine tune the script so that it actually makes sense to the reader.
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Have you ever been to ours?I keed JettL. I'm pretty sure you've been here before.
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I'm bussier now then i have been in years. But i wouldn't change it for the world, i love what i do
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The kids here should take note.
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Please say that are not doing the gay sex and minature aliens!
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mm hmm
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His rounder, flatter brother?
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And I can't recall a time when you were bussier...>
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I mean, the guy is a writer, consultant, special effects supervisor, producer, director...there is no end to his talents! He knows every high profile player in Hollywood. I only have one contact in Hollywood - Jett puts me to shame and then some. And he then takes the trouble to come here and give us exclusive scoops. We are very fortunate to have him! Jett, tell us what will be the titles of the Alien prequels? Has that been decided yet?
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If there's one thing that bugs me about what I read in this article (which was a nice ending to a great series of articles, Quint) it's that it sounds like Scott just doesn't trust the audience's imagination. I love "Bladerunner" dearly, and liked the ambiguity of Ford's humanity. But Scott has to go out there and say "Oh, he's a replicant. No doubt about it." Now he wants to take the space jockey and let all the air out of that balloon. I'm sure, in some ways, he sees it as his universe to play in, so why not play with that, right? I guess I'd just hoped he could go somewhere else in that universe, or have the space jockey's race be a part, a cameo. Oh, well.
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It makes it easier to fly, yes?
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JettL does not appreciate such sarcasm.
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Oh it's probably a big mecha-suit where Justin Beiber pops out to sell that shit to the largest of Fox's demographic EVAR... pedophiles.
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As for the alien prequel titles, nothing is set in stone yet, but the temp titles for the two films are Alien: Beginings and Alien: Hostile
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I would never dream of it, sir! Jett my praise for you is totally sincere. You are my heroe, my idol, I worship at your altar.
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i'm just a poor shmo you got lucky, so sue me for wanting to give a little backI know alot of talkbackers on here like to throw insults around,. but they keep coming back so obviously they do enjoy the scoops i provide
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Jun 14, 2010 9:54:44 AM CDT
as you can see pillow talk, jett is above such things
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
nuances of human emotion mean little when creating the latest awesome blockbuster. Jett reminds me of Orson Welles....only better.
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I'll teach her my french-flipper trick...
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I apologize then. It's good to see there are those who recognize JettL for who he really is....
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Jun 14, 2010 9:57:25 AM CDT
wait... are you remaking Batman Returns Jett???
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
if so, feel free to misquote but keep it kinda the same.
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but our batman 3 will contain the penguin and catwoman, C-Nol and myself where alittle worried that it would imedieatly get compared to Tim burtains films but in the end we though, we've earned our bones and if you adjust the story to avoid comparisons then you're not really telling the story that needs to betold
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that was linked by a talkbacker on the AICN story that broke the news about the film/films? It's awful, AWFUL. I'm not a hater, not like most of the bitchers on here, but it was god-awful. Not to mention unneccessarily homo-erotic, but even if you took all of that out (and there were multiple gay sex scenes as in gay-man-sex) the script would still be AWFUL.
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Jun 14, 2010 10:03:09 AM CDT
good stuff. So, I'm to presume Chris Walken is in it?
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and his son Chip? PLEASE MAKE IT SO JETT!
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Jun 14, 2010 10:04:52 AM CDT
Is Chip Shreck in Batman Returns Butterfingers....
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in Hudson Hawk? I'm drunk and I've gotta know... To lazy to look elsewhere, so someone else go look and come back and tell me ok?
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C-No goes by C-Nol now?Now I feel like an asshole when I called him C-No this morning at the water cooler.
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Done by a contract writer at the studio before Ridley, myself or anyone currently on the project came aboard. I personally belive FOX commisioned that script as a bargoning tool to get Scott's interest in the project. He once said to me, "At First I had to get involved or they would have gone ahead with that original bollocks of a script" of
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JettL has almost all the answers, so no need to look anywhere else.
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Jun 14, 2010 10:07:15 AM CDT
still waitin... and I thought the internet was fast.
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it's more like really...not....fast...
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"If at first you don't succeed, try try again."S-Rid says some deep shit.
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Did you come up with them? Be sure to give ol' Ridley all the support he needs, I can tell he's really relying on you to come through for him.
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Link me one of your "leeks" from old AICN talkback that ended up being true. The old AICN node would have a date on the side.
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I have a midget called Neville typing this as I speak. Type faster damn you. You had better not be typing this. That's it. I shall summon Manuel to ring my bedside bell, STOP TYPING MOTHER FUCKER! Then Stoogie the mook will come and take your other testicle my little, disobedient, prewarned yet still typing friend.... Glarrrrgggggg....
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And Arch, The search feature on this site is terrible so i'ts hard to find old post buti ahve been posting her for several years and offered too many scoops to count
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"Gee, this is great...but I wish they'd show less of Ripley and concentrate on explaining whether any of this is "technologically feasible."?
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There is no mystery about the space jockey. It is just prop, they don't spend the entire movie trying to solve the mystery of the space jockey, they spend the movie trying to kill the fucking alien. If the prequel was about where/who/what the aliens are, then you might have a reason to bitch. So, instead of bitching about the space jockey, be happy they are not destroying the myth of the aliens and giving their species a name or something, and chill the fuck out.
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Jun 14, 2010 10:15:44 AM CDT
Lucky for me, I always have a spare midget..
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
skilled with his tiny hands.
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I loved the idea of some massive alien being that is mummified. Ridley is full of shit. You know he didn't film that scene in Alien talking about the "alien in a big suit over there". Bullshit on that.
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for the predator's rituals. The "derilect" is an egg transport and crashed(due to cargo getting loose) while in route to deliver the eggs to the predator homeworld. The jockys use some of their own DNA in creating the serpents. That's why there was a warning beacon from the cargo ship that the jockey turned on that said- "whoops we dropped our unfuckingbelievably dangerous cargo so stay away". Weyland Yutani Corp has been trying to get the alien for their bioweapons division since they were discovered on earth by weyland himself. They send the nostromo to check it out. I was asking who the space jockey was in 79
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lets just say that when the identity is revealed that it will form a huge loop in the Alien film timeline. the jocky's may not be too different from us and m,ayu have a closer conection with Ripley then previously thought
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Jun 14, 2010 10:21:16 AM CDT
just renamed my spare Gary Coleman in honour.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
His previous name was Charles Borroville the third. He seems pretty cheesed about but whats he gonna do? Stoogie the mooks still in the room munching on the remains of Neville's left nut.
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From the leaked script I read om here a couple of months ago they do demystify the aliens as well. Still hoping at least for radical rewrites. One of the worst blunders in it was the fact that the space jockey's story occurs only a handful of years before Alien (as opposed to thousands+ years before Alien).
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own this. Also I just talked to the president and he loved avatar.
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Jun 14, 2010 10:25:12 AM CDT
jesus jett, that sounds great. It's just spelt like shit
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
seriously, you are getting worse. But I once again applaud you for showing such flagrant disregard for the rules of men...
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It's true, deal with it.
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You sure have a lot to live up to The Typist Formerly Known As Gary Coleman... What's the symbol for midget?
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I'm on my blackberry and we are in the middle of production shoots for captain america - i shouldn't even be online but i quite enjoy the friendships i've made on this site
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There are no roads where he goes...
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Jun 14, 2010 10:31:03 AM CDT
Underrated Masterpiece??? I love it as much as you but
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
it's held in pretty high regard nowadays. Only the foolish or the assholish hate on that flick. It's well regarded as on of the great pieces of Science Fiction! What world do you live in AsimovLives? 1982?
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So, the jockey is a time-travelled Ripley clone from the far-flung far-flung future? For realz question: is there an interesting production in Hollywood that you're not a part of, Jett, that you wish you had your hand in?
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'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly'.
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Tony Scott was this close to be a great filmmaker, an equal to his older brother Ridley. Unfortunatly, his first film (and by far his best), THE HUNGER, bombed at the box office and tony suffered an enourmous crisis of self-confidence. From that emerged an hack ready to follow any wimps of dumb ass souless studio executives who don't give a fuck about movies as other then a means to make them rich. Cue TOP GUN.
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Do you find owning more than one midget cost prohibitive? Mine consumes mass amounts of adult beverages, which, while making him quite entertaining, very expensive.Alas, that was the reason why I returned the second one: kentucky bourbon.
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Blade Runner is an underrated masterpiece. You know why? As long there's people bashing it, it's still underrated.
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"Rules of men" was the orginal title for the expendables, Sly thought the film needed an edgier title and we both came up with "Expendables" based on a old poem we had found from 1863
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I mean, why not? He writes every movie in development under the sun. Even those that doesn't exist.
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Has Harrison Ford been beefing up in the gym because the shoot is imminent? Do you go bowling with Harrison, Steven and George often?
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Jun 14, 2010 10:36:43 AM CDT
No, I subsidise my midget stock with child workers
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
right now there are over 25 labourers working 12 hour shifts twenty four hours a day in my diamond mine.... They also look for the missing Sankara Stones...
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Jun 14, 2010 10:38:38 AM CDT
AsimovLives... No dude there will always be morons.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Sorry to burst your bubble dude but BladeRunner fans are the Majority. It's one thing that people got right.
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Stoogie the mooks is still hungry you highly replaceable paperweight!!!
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Just out of interest, how do you explain that long post you wrote during the Oscars talkback where you claimed that JettL93 the 'Hollywood Insider' was just a character you had created to research a film role or write a thesis or something? You then bid farewell to everyone and told us to look out for the movie and that maybe we'd even recognise some of the characters we'd inspired.
After a lengthy disappearance it seems like you've just gone back to your old ways, business as usual, as if you'd never 'outed' yourself as it were.
What gives? -
'Whoosh' (whilst slicing hand over head)
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We hope to be filing march of next year for a may 2012 releaseconcering the oscar post, i never got to read it but i may remind you that there are similar jett imposters out there, alot of things i get blamed for writting, i never actually did, it was just some guys having jokes. I did dissapear for a bit but that is because production on inception and thor really had me bogged down, but truth be told, Imissed you guys so now i make timeto give you scoops
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do I have any hope that this "prequel" is not going to be TEEN Alien.
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Jun 14, 2010 11:04:24 AM CDT
Yep, JettL1993 did out himself way back
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
I was going to mention it, but someone beat me to it. Anyway, I'm amazed that his schtick winds so many people up. I think its pretty damn funny myself. Tell me Jett, are you working on Avatar 2 as well? Any tidbits of info about that one?
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That was an interesting comment on the 'what if' regarding Kennedy and going to stay on the Moon and presumably beyond. I seem to recall that one of JFK's biographers suggested otherwise and that it was a way to further fund ICBMs while advancing our woefully lagging efforts to claim the high ground militarily. The USSR was a genuine existential threat at the time, as anyone alive then can attest. However, if space had been fully funded and allowed to pursue the designs of VonBraun and Robert Truax who wanted to develope really large, appropriately scaled launchers that would lift the equivalent of a city block instead of a school bus, we would have found permanent stations a reality, in contrast to the ISS which, as amazing as it is, is the result of our thinking that we could only use military style ballistic missiles, which were handy and available at the time, and usefull for learning how to 'do space', but we never got out of the wooden boat era and into the fulls scale economies of heavy sea-launched 'orion' scale, if not necessarily nuke powered, rockets. Perhaps JFK would have worked to fund VonBraun and Truax's approaches. If we had we would have been livng on both the moon and mars and getting to orbit would only cost a few grand per person instead of $20K per pound as it has been. It's raining soup.
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J Cam is very eager to return to the world, but i would have to guess that Avatwo will at least be 3 years away. I did some script consulting on a rough story treatment and it involves the life in the oceans of pandora as well as Earth's attack on the planet when they return with re-inforcments. Myself and those that are privlegged enough to be in on the production have already started calling it the empire trieks back of thes eries
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Jun 14, 2010 11:10:24 AM CDT
I hope Scott makes some great Alien prequels
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Both for their own sake, and who knows, it may also give Cameron the incentive to come back to the series and try and compete, giving us the true sequel(s) to Aliens. Just wipe 3 and 4 (and AvP)from memory and start over.In an ideal world it'd go like this: Scott Alien prequel #1/Prequel#2/ Alien/Aliens/Cameron Aliens sequel#1/Sequel#2.
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Jun 14, 2010 11:11:08 AM CDT
I am tired Manuel, call those four dark fellows -
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I picked up on the side when scouting Indonesia for my transvestite quintet. Who, by the way do a great Improv act involving a severed boars head, some KY jelly and eighteen beautiful specimens of dried horse cock. So call in Larry, Curly, Mo and Johnny Five and I shall retire to my bed painted with the yellow blood of some of my former chinese labourers...
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Jun 14, 2010 11:13:32 AM CDT
And did you coin the name 'Avatwo' as well?
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
You have taken up the mantle of 'The Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness' from the late James Brown, my friend.
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Jun 14, 2010 11:14:42 AM CDT
Love the lines about Ripley, the rain in Blade Runner, and camer
by royston lodge
The idea that Ripley's character development from "presumed red shirt" to "action superstar" was intentional is awesome to me.
Why is it raining in Blade Runner? Because Ridley Scott wants it to be fucking raining! I love that.
Sitting in the chair operating the camera is, indeed, a hell of a lot of fun. I'm surprised that more directors don't do it. Union rules? -
Jun 14, 2010 11:15:04 AM CDT
"Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?"
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
"That's what it is to be a slave."
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it of course is just a slate title, which for those not in the business basically means its a temp title. The final title is leaning towards "Avatar: Oceans deep"
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Jun 14, 2010 11:16:25 AM CDT
Don't wipe Alien3 from the record! I like that movie!!!
by royston lodge
I'd cut out the sex scene, but that's it. In my heart, Ripley will always be an asexual.
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i am a runner on Captain America, earlier i saw our 17 year old wunderkind script wizard furiously tapping away on his blackberry at the time i was reading the talkbacks here, and suspected he could be the infamous Jett1993 who gets all the inside scoops which never fail to come true.
I followed him as he snuck into the wardrobe department and, as i witnessed him blowing the hermaphradite studio owner, i had a look in his bulging rucksack and discovered scripts for Batman 3: The Inception of The Riddler (quote) and every other hollywood sci fi/comic book adaptation/future oscar winning movie.
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Is there any chance that book will ever make it to the silver screen? I really do hope so.
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It looks great, no one can deny that. But the problems with pacing and plot are horrendous. You don't notice it so much on the 17th viewing. There's a reason this movie bombed when it was released. It's an 'MTV' movie - all style and very little substance.
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when i was 17 i was working on jaws and theman with the golden gun...i'm afraid 17 was a long time ago for me,
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I completely agree! I read 2061 while in the hospital about 15 years ago, cover to cover, and loved it. Once out I picked up 3001 and was completely disappointed. It felt like Clarke just chaged his mind at the 11th hour, then finished the series with this.
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I loved that set, the atmosphere was so great, i've always wished i got to work directly with kubrick though, the closesti came was some free lance miniature work for the shinning that i did to help a fiend out
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That's the title of the next movie.
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Jun 14, 2010 11:28:27 AM CDT
I had to finish editing "EWS" after Kubrick died
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
I even refused to be paid, I loved Kubrick so much.
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It was a fuckin' cartoon!
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Seriously
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Whjat was it like to meet kubrick, i had always wanted to meet him but i just never was able to run into him, of course in his hey day i was just a starry eyed kid and probabaly a bit ignorant to the "greats" when he passed away i can rmember saying well theres another peopson i'll have to add to my list of people i would have liked to have met
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so I'm a little unsure if explaining everything is a good idea. Fans have been speculating for ever on who or what he/it is, and that's a good thing. How many studio films are made these days that will still have people talking about them thirty years or so from now?
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He was very gentle and soft-spoken with his family and friends, but he could be a real tyrant on the set. I'll share something with you: when we were looking at the dailies on "Eyes Wide Shut" Kubrick confided in me that "EWS" was a joke on Tom Cruise that Cruise was not in on. Cruise's discovery of a secret cult was a reference to how Tom was pulled into and brainwarped by Scientology, and the scene where the drunk guys on the street call Cruise a "fag" was intended to mock Cruise's real status as a closeted homo.
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2 dudes being gay on the Space Jockey's planet. For the love of God I hope this isn't the actual script.
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that should say
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'Cos that was some good stuff.
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That's the stinker I read a couple of months ago. EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT SHOULD READ THE SCRIPT HERE AND THEN SOUND OFF: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ckdv
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It's a big universe.
Properties get tied too tightly because of studio/network neurotics.
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yes even the AvP films, we do not want to exclude any of the films as we feel they form an overall long story arc
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Why not? Well, besides that it would be stupid.
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I LOVE Legend as well! One of the best fantasy films ever...
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delivery boy in this prequel as well, to tie it all together.
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Jun 14, 2010 12:36:04 PM CDT
Alien Zero: "You'll shit your space jockeys!"
by crispin_glovers_acid_flashback
And in space, no one can hear you shit your underpants!
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i just got a hard on.
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It's the downside of these prequels.
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we are includeding the events of the AvP films, but not the camp humour, These prequels will be more of a horror film then of an action/comedy film
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Wisdom to make the prequels about something else, not a a to b to c on how they got to
LV-426. Sounds like from the brief mention here that it will be. I mean how on earth can you make 2 prequels without a deeper story. That's actually raised by hopes quite a bit
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i know you're one incredibly busy person and without you cinema wouldn't exist in the way it does today. But if you have a few seconds could you answer a few questions?
Don't you find peoples lack of faith (in you) disturbing?
When you come on here and give us all these great scoops that never turn out to be true do you go back to George, Steven, Ridley, Chris, James et al and give them all hell for fucking around with your ideas thus making you look like a nutjob? -
i know what i do and what i've done, if someone wants to call me a false prophet then i suppose that is their right, but my credentials speak for themselvesAlso, as far as i know, i've never sliped a scoop that wasn't acurate, i'm pretty close to the source so the info i get is often prime first hand stuff
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..ever met a person who has ever wanted to know the origin of the Space Jockey? No, of course not. Because it's a device used in the original film to create a sense of mystery and awe. And it really works.
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Jun 14, 2010 1:18:17 PM CDT
I find Jett's lack of faith in correct spelling disturbing.
by royston lodge
No wonder America's children are so messed up when Hollywood's future is resting on the shoulders of such a poor speller.
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Because Ridley Scott wanted the Space Jockey to fucking look like that!
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Obviously you're way too busy working on every film either in production or pre-production to keep track of things but in the Indy V talkback you said "Indy 5 is happening and filming should start april of next year for a summer 2012 release"
But then Frank Marhsall twittered (or is it twatted?) "The rumor about INDY 5 is completely false. Nothing has changed, we are not shooting next year and still in the research phase..."
This was only a few days ago. You've got too much going on and you're forgetting dates and times etc. Slow down up your work load before you have a heart attack. Of course it will mean a shitty few years at the box office but c'est la vie. -
slow down up your work load... that should read slow down ON your work load. Me english good so not
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and "educating" them on the fine arts of cinema, not on spelling.I very much doubt JettL had a hand in the Akeelah and the Bee script. He's just more focused on the action-oriented movies. And he doesn't look like a "nutjob" when his scoops don't turn up exactly like he said they would...just makes him look human.
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I was bored out of my skull. All the other titles you mentioned were great though, and I love Ridley. I went into Robin Hood expecting to like it and figuring no one knew what they were talking about. I really tried to like it, but it just didn't work for me.
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The credentials do in fact speak for themselves.JettL is the ONLY person who can slipe a scoop.
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A far superior movie than Perfect Storm, but less popular for some reason.
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without Batman. That the full implied title was "Inception of the Riddler'. Deny that one Mr McBullshit.
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So the standard nerd voice says in unison that they are ruining the mystery of the space jockey. A character that is in for 2 minutes. I hope they don't ruin it like Francis Ford Copolla did with The Godfather part 2. Can you guys get an argument rather than parrot the one criticism-du-jour that is said early on and then repeated ad infinitum? The pack mentality is really depressing here
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the misinformation campaign surrounding inception is genious, you'll have to ignore what you've heard and just go see it
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Tell us stories about films you've worked on in years gone by. Surely you worked Close Encounters, ESB, Raiders, Back to the Future, Aliens, T2, Jurassic Park and many others. Share your best stories with us, we'd love to hear your anecdotes.
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It's a real word, look it up sometime
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Friends have often said i should write a book. You know it's funy but the films i work on always become hits and classics, i guess i'm just lucky that way
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You guys have no sense of humor.
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...is Larry McMurtry writing a western for him. That's pretty bad ass.
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I sent an Alien Quadrilogy booklet to him through the mail and he signed it for me. Cool guy!
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Jun 14, 2010 2:36:38 PM CDT
The Space Jockey is one of the coolest things in a movie
by ben_richards_bomb_collar
Because no one has the slightest clue what the hell it is. Now it's a suit? Ug. I really wish they could have picked something else to make the prequel about.
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is that you actually get the feeling he believes what he's saying. It doesn't seem like he's fucking with us.
I don't believe him but I almost do believe that HE believes himself.
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I'm a huge Ridley Scott fan, although I like his older films the best, and it's no wonder he is a major influence on Christopher Nolan. They are similar filmmakers in a way. The technical aspects as well as the details and complexities that go into their films are similar. I am cautiously excited about the Alien Prequel, but it will be nice to see Scott return to science fiction. A western would be great too, especially after he dumped his "Blood Meridian" project a few years back. Ridley Scott rules, thank you!!
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It seems to me there will be very little aliens in the Alien prequel. Just make a sequel where they find the Sulaco or some shit like that. Throw in some loud noises, gunfire, splosions, marines, mechs, and uh other shit.
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Top man! Can I get this straight? So you are curently working on the Alien Prequel(s), Batman 3, Indy 5, Captain America and others all in some capacity?
Reading your comments has bought a smile to my face. I appreciate you are very busy at the moment - but when you have sorted out that little lot do you think you could drum up a sequel to The Relic for me please? Cheers! -
Jun 14, 2010 3:14:59 PM CDT
windomearle39, I'm sure Jett's already working on Relic 2
by mattmanreturns
along with Ghost and the Darkness: The Return.
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Trapped in the body of a young boy programmed to think he's a Hollywood insider. Pursued by the shady studio types, he is relentless dogged for his talents when all he wants to do is live a normal life.
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Jun 14, 2010 3:21:09 PM CDT
"The title Blade Runner comes from William S. Burroughs."
by jacksonschitt
You mean Alan Nourse, right? It was his novel "The Bladerunner" that Burroughs used as the basis for his "Blade Runner: A Movie." I hope Nourse also got paid $4,000.
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pffffffffffttt.
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with ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER being two of my favorite films ever. I have to admit though, I'm not sure I like the idea of an ALIEN prequel. I'm gonna have to agree with the camp that says the mystery will be tainted. I'd rather see them make a new sequel, going forward with totally new characters, and something in line with the action/horror/sci-fi trifecta of ALIENS than the slower horror mood of ALIEN. I just don't think the experience of ALIEN can be done again. The clear path for the Alien trilogy would've been:ALIEN: slow sense of dread and horror buildup, one creatureALIENS: took the horror of Alien, and added the action element plus about a hundred aliens while forwarding the character arc of RipleyALIEN 3: went back to the formula of Alien, but was not nearly as successful at replicating that feeling of dread and the coldness of the void of space -- what should've been done was Weyland Yutani somehow got a specimen and brought it to either Earth, or another mega-colony, maybe an older colony that was one of the first worlds to be terraformed and now has cities and towns and an Earth-like surface and atmosphere -- and from there the aliens get out, multiply, and Weyland Yutani calls Ripley, Hicks, and Bishop to come and help nip it all in the bud before it all gets out of control and the aliens spread to other colonies/Earth, which of course it would get out of control. Basically, the stakes would've been raised more and more with each film.Of course instead we got Alien 3 (which wasn't totally bad) and the disaster know as Alien Resurrection. The AvP films, which could've been good, were further insults to the series.
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Ghost & The Darkness 2? Love it - I'm there!
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You baboons. So easily distracted. It doesn't take much
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Jun 14, 2010 3:44:26 PM CDT
LV-426, I'm hoping that if Scott's alien prequels are a success
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
that Cameron will be tempted back to the fold and do something akin to your idea for Alien 3. I doubt it, though, but then again I think that his proposed idea for Alien 5 a few years back was something similar - until AvP ruined everything. You can always use mo-cap to de-age Biehn and Weaver, or perhaps it would take place a few decades after Aliens anyway. A different actress can of course be cast as a 20-something Newt.
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that Ridley is making? You can't have space jockeys running around at the same time as humans unless it takes place in the year of the first one or after.
It is fossilized in the chair for eons, so it should show the origins of the space jockey and their encounters with the alien species then no humans.
Don't need 2 movies. Just one with the two alien species and how they met. No fucking humans. The last 5 minutes just show eons of years later the Nostromo coming into beacon distance. Then end the fucker.
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and has some potential, but how much time are they really gonna have to explore all that? I suppose with two films it could be enough time.One thing I find odd is that he seems to be implying that these colonists, who I'm guessing will be setting up residence in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system, will get there in slower-than-light starships. I know this is earlier than the other films, but this also seems to be cutting into his Forever War project, as that novel uses time dilation as a MAJOR plot point. This may sound nit-picky, but I hope that he doesn't cannibalize stuff from The Forever War for these alien films. Unless they are going to setup some sort of "isolated from Earth" element in the plot, why change the mode of interstellar transport from the way it was in Alien and Aliens?It was obviously not a huge deal for Ripley to work a tour on the Nostromo while her daughter was back on Earth. Same thing with Aliens, as it took a couple weeks for the Sulaco to get to Acheron. Obviously they were using some sort of FTL/hyperspatial drive to get to the stars. Why change that up I wonder?
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Jun 14, 2010 3:48:46 PM CDT
I do look forward to Scoot recapturing the slow pace
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
and pure horror tone of Alien, though, or at least making a good attempt of it. He was quoted as saying the Alien prequels would 'very nasty' in terms of content, so we are hopefully going to see something hard R and disturbing, a teturn to the psycho-sexual freudian creepiness of the original, not some watered down fodder for teens , which is an achievement in itself these days.
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Because that is kinda what they did. Ripley and Hicks and a grown up Newt were the main characters. The aliens got loose on Earth, all hell breaks loose, etc.Now, they also had some odd stuff like a cult that worshipped the xenomorphs. Stuff like that would be goofy in a film, but the basic concept of Ripley, Hicks, and an older Newt in an aliens run amok on Earth story would be exactly what I want in another aliens film. Add some Colonial Marines with some mech suits (which makes sense due to aliens' strength and acidic blood), and we would have something pretty great I think.Obviously, they could do the horror stuff in there too, just as Aliens mixed that element in with the spectacular action scenes. Aliens has some great scare moments -- the cocooned colonist whose eyes pop open, or when Burke leans in towards the stasis tank with the dead facehugger in it = shit my pants types of scares that Aliens never gets credit for because its action was so damn great.
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Jun 14, 2010 4:03:15 PM CDT
Alien and Aliens did not use faster than light travel
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
It was stated as being about 10 months from Earth to Acheron in Alien, and presumably around the same time in Aliens 57 years later (though it was never definitively stated). Perhaps quicker if space travel had advanced in the intervening years, but still not Star Wars/ Trek style lightspeed. And that was one of the appealing things about the original Alien movies - space travel was difficult. The colonization of other planetoids and the exploration of unknown space added immeasurably to the isolation and sense of nightmarish discovery of what lay in deep space, as well as complimenting the gritty realism of the films.
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They were pretty good, and much more interesting than what we got movie-wise. Although the depiction of the space jockey - as a levitating elephant-man in a space suit - was pretty goofy. I don't particularly want to see something like that in the prequels.And yes, Aliens has many effective horror elements and is itself quite slow paced until the action kicks in, all of which seems to have been obfuscated by its status as a rollercoaster action film.
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...would be that the Space Jockey, once out of it's costume, looks like one of these short guys working at Blue Bonnets.
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So I'm thinking that for even a 10 month journey, it would have to be something more exotic than even near-as-fast-as-light travel. Unless, the time dilation is: on ship time = 10 months, but then how could Ripley even have any type of family life back on Earth? Why would she be so shocked and saddened that her daughter was so old when she did finally get back in Aliens?Remember, the 57 years thing was because she was in cryosleep and the Narcissus escape shuttle was just drifting. Burke said something along the lines of, "you drifted through the core systems, and it was just blind luck that the deep salvage team found you... you've been out there 57 years."You're right though about the alien films not being like Star Wars/Trek with ridiculously efficient warp/lightspeed and other magical technologies (I love Trek and SW too btw). Add to that the fact that everything in the Alienverse (fashion, tech, architecture, guns) were so much more grounded than Star Wars or Trek, making it more relatable and more believable.
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...is that Jett would really be a hollywood insider, posing as a teen-aged nerd posing as a Hollywood insider.
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Ripley dreamt it in hypersleep. The alien Queen infected her with a slow acting neuro toxin that put her into a prolonged coma, and Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection never happened. Maybe the audience would feel a little cheated, but hey, its the only viable way to continue the story after Aliens.
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...Alien 4 a nightmare.
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Jun 14, 2010 4:46:11 PM CDT
The way that they should have continued
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
the story after Aliens, instead of adding in some giant plot hole about eggs inexplicably lain on the Sulaco, is to have had the nuclear explosion on LV-426 blow an enormous crater on the planetoid, miles deep. This would have exposed a giant ancient pyramid (a concept discarded from the original Alien) buried in the interior of the planet, deep underground. A satellite would have detected it, and a team would have been sent in to investigate. Inside the pyramid, the walls would depict the million year old history of the jockeys and the xenomorphs, and there would be ancient hyroglyphics that provided star coordinates to the the Aliens' true homeworld. A trip to the planet would be organised by Weyland Yutani to gather specimens and explore, and Ripley et al. now back on earth and living as a family, would get wind of this and somehow negotiate their way onboard to join the excursion and somehow stop the Company's plans. That is the only logical basis I can see for continuing the story after Aliens, where all known creatures and the jockey ship were wiped out, as well as a credible way for the alien homeplanet to be found, hitherto undiscovered until now, and many lightyears out of known space.
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...a 3D cash-grab!
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Search your feeeelings. You know theees to be true.
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everything after Alien 2 and Predators 1 is where it ended for me.Everything else bearing either name was been a half assed abortion!
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...but it is not at all overrated.
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And the Demon Devil villain was bloody awesome.. Also, can't forget about the creepy little elf dude.
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I thought that was the big western Scott was supposed to do.
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"some giant plot hole about eggs inexplicably lain on the Sulaco"
It continually amazes me how most people don't seem to care about this. It makes NO FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER! A total non sequitur AND the casual vandalism of killing Newt and Hicks offscreen, all during the opening credits. The movie could never have recovered from that appalling inception. -
http://tinyurl.com/o9ueb8 for Joe Jefferson's commercial.
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...can you smell that.... what is that... sheep is it..... its cows... no, no... i know what it is... its BULLSHIT...! (fun reading your bollox tho.. keep up the good work... :)
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I suppose it might be nice to have the context in which Ridley was talking about the carcass being a suit was given. Actually I'd rather have an audio recording of the whole Q & A so that I could transcribe it word for word. Well I have no problem with the Space Jockey being wrapped up in a suit. I doubt that he meant that the whole creature that we see is just one suit, just the stuff that it's sealed up in including the ribcage like structure.
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It's turned into shit.
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As much as I love the first two films and want to see more, I think the wiser choice would be to leave it alone. Mystery isn't any fun once it's been revealed. And I refuse to accept that Aliens and Predators even exist in the same movie universe.
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It's rather strange to think that originally O'Bannon had the idea that there was "The Outer" rim 54 light years in radius according to his original script's map, and well the Nostromo hadn't quite reached the outer rim yet. And when they were short of Zeta II Reticuli, they were probably short of that star system by about 16 light years and it was being used as a galactic marker because of it's fame that it received during from the controversy earlier that decade about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case. None of the production team were aware of the fact that the planetoid was supposed to be near any known star system including the man who painted the scene with the ringed planets and its orbiting moons. No Ridley says that the planetoid is in the Zeta II Reticuli star system and I'm not entirely impressed. But maybe it's probably similar to the cloud that O'Bannon might have had when they merged the egg silo and the derelict together into one structure. Well, Ron Cobb wanted to place the planetoid in a binary star system so and as far as he knew they didn't, so perhaps he got his wish in some way. I hope that in the final movie that the name of the star system isn't given, or at least certainly isn't Zeta II Reticuli. But so be it, all it really means at the end of the day is that the planetoid will be in a very well known part of space.
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truly sad when people have to go back and try to be what they were when they were young. This film is going to be shit.
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Does Blade Runner have any action in it? Every time it's on, it just has wet looking quiet scenes going on.. Still haven't watched it all.
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No Ridley - Now Ridley
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As much as I love ALIEN & ALIENS, I guarantee these prequels will totally ruin the mystique of the original. Think for a moment: Name a prequel/sequel made 20-30 years after the original that *DIDN'T* ruin the original? Star Wars Episode I maybe? Yeech...
And I promise you it won't fit in with the other movies. It'll look too clean, too CGI, no grit like what we've come to expect from the franchise.
I'd rather they started over and set a new ALIEN movie 500 years further into the future. Show a group of marines on a mission to liberate a planet overrun with aliens. By the end of the movie we learn it was earth. Geez, c'mon give the audiences what they want! -
No, Ridley, no one asked about the space jockey guy because no one cared.
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Ridley so wants to go there...and going there will continue to destroy the magic.
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"Friends have often said i should write a book."
Please don't.
As Christopher Hitchens once opined:
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Note that in the "Starbeast" script, the crew members of the "Snark" are expecting to be asleep for decades while in transit, traveling vast distances.
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"Does Blade Runner have any action in it?"
Is it important that it does?
Since you ask, yes it does, but it's kind of incidental. It is not an action film (although Warners tried to market it as such). It's a science fiction noir movie. It is primarily about atmosphere, ideas and relationships. I actually think that the profundity of the movie is overstated, but the quality of the world it portrays, the visuals, the score and the dream-like atmosphere are almost peerless. -
I mean, I know "why" -- money. But still, WHY?!?!?!?!
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Gosh, well, they didn't intend to get back to Earth until 250 years later.
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It could be biomechanical. It could be entirely biological even, ala Avatar. It could very easily be designed stylistically similar to the alien race operating it. Now, I'm not saying making it ANY kind of suit is a good idea, but this could still come out ok. Have faith. As someone said, Ridley seems to have his "science hat" on.
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It goes full-on at "space jockey"
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I don't remember LV-426 as a part of that system, I thought Lambert said something like, "just short of Zeta 2 Reticuli" In other words, after scanning for a navigational fix, that's the closest reference point she could find.
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I know it's cool to root for the underdog here, but Alien 3, while visually intriguing, is messy and insulting. Killing Newt never struck me as edgy or daring; it simply felt like they were trying as hard as they could to disturb you, and trying way too hard. It didn't even upset me all that much as I felt so detached from the film. I don't consider it part of the continuity. The series ends for me with Aliens. The first two movies work perfectly together. Alien 3 is just excessive and pointless.
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Is like Apollo 13 (the actual mission, not the film), a successful failure. The script was weak (no surprise; it was rewritten like 18 times) but it gave us Fincher (who got great performances and produced very powerful images and atmospheres in this flick, his first feature).
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until Alien 4. Then, I stopped.
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I agree with endust
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Hicks looks older.
Bishop needed repairs, so that's why he can look older.
As for Vasquez . . .
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just made me angry. I sat there in the theatre on opening night thinking, "This is sucking, isn't it? Crap."
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including, I think, the Dan O'Bannon one. It's been a while back, when I'd search for such things. And good grief, awful. The thing about was that they were constantly looking for some type of gimmick to put distance between the films, to increase tension and expectation. But what they got was merely recycling a formula and adding more complex aliens that ended up sounding more like marketing suggestions for toys than actual ideas. Something a teenaged boy (myself included) might have come up with. There was like an alien with spikes, and one that was like a rhinocerous bettle. What Fincher did with Alien3 is actually quite remarkable in my opinion: he returned the series to the realm of horror and ideas, what made the original so daring and unique. And while killing off main characters was definately a cynical movie, Fincher was trying to distance himself from the safety net that a franchise can create. I mean, I know Alien3 pisses a lot of people off - and while I don't agree in pissing people off merely for the sake of it (not anymore at least), I do believe that Fincher saw audience expectation as a threat to the series. Personally, I don't really care for Aliens at all. There's moments, but damn if watching one person kill 30 aliens with a machine gun doesn't get boring after a while. Fincher returns us to the idea of original fear, primal fear, primeval fear that Scott, with Hill and O'Bannon's script, set up so well in "Alien." The prison world is positively medieval, and there are several references to the alien as "a dragon." What Ripley has to search for is humanity is a place so brutal it discourages it. And she kills the alien. It is a purging, that film. It is brutal, swift, and while I have a damn hard time of figuring out the geography of the drainage shaft sequence, I do admire the picture. Fincher brought it all back to Ripley, damning what the studio, and much of the audience, desired. And I think he did it because he admired Ripley, saw something in here worth putting on display. By the end, she is a survivor, no longer a mother, a woman faced with a fate interlocked with the destiny of a creature so horrifying it boggles the mind. She becomes the anthesis of the monster. Both survivors, but only one is capable of self-sacrifice. I don't know. I just love the dynamics of the characters on the prison planet. I love watching how they band together to kill this thing. These pitiable human beings. But they have Ripley. And so they have hope. There's a lot at play in that picture. I just wish it got more respect.
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Your mention of the rewrites got the ball rolling on my thoughts. That's one picture I like to defend. And I just couldn't think of something worth saying, though I did want to get on this board. A damn good interview. Hard to think that all the films attritubed to Scott are the work of one director: only his attention to detail, his love for the singular beauty of the cinematic image, and his fascination with playing with ideas, making his films almost seem like brainstorming sessions, only these three factors, very personal ones, tie all his films together. Personally, I think only Alien3, of all the sequels, respected the spirit of the first film. Though, I think it is a much darker picture (I think Fincher's lightened up as he's grown older, don't ya'll - personally, I couldn't see him doing "Zodiac" the way he did it if he had of started off with it; probably would have been much less restrained, less of what makes it the damn fine picture it is).
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Jun 14, 2010 10:52:05 PM CDT
Talking about a possible prequel looking too "CGI clean"
by chaunceygardiner
I thought back to the original. If I'm not mistaken, those miniatures were all built using the left-overs from "2001: A Space Odessey." Scott was inventive as fuck with that picture. You have admire those filmmakers who have tablescraps, but they also have ideas. Even though "Aliens" cost vast sums of money more than "Alien," which one ends up coming out looking the best? I mean, really? Beside the Queen Alien (which is a great design), that movie doesn't really move me with any form of respect or awe. And I don't mean to bash Cameron (cause he did do "the Abyss," that we'll always have that to thank him for - now that, that is a tense movie). I just love how Scott took something that could have easily been another cheap space opera, and made something that felt more like a dream, a nightmare, something lodged in the psyche. Cameron made a loud, obnoxious clanging beast of a picture.
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"I always figured the Derelict was a spacegoing 18-wheeler, the Jockey was a truck driver, and the load of eggs was his cargo. Shit got out of hand when he ran out of jerky and decided to make himself an omelet.
Them eggs cook up a mean...MEAN...case of heartburn."
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Jun 14, 2010 11:05:52 PM CDT
loads of people wanted to know that the space jockey was
by waka_flocka
at least, online they did
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good article other than that
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I can't believe Ridley is considering this as the angle to take. It certainly is NOT what Giger had intended as his design. Just look at his original drawings for evidence. The Space Jockey was meant to be remains of an ancient, fossilized (or perhaps mummified would be the better term) being. Furthermore, Giger creation certainly wasn't intended to be an external suit, within which was enclosed a separate being. The evidence that points to the fact the the Jockey creature was not enclosed within some sort of suit are many:
A) Cain clearly states that the creature looked like it had grown out of the chair. It was an organic, bio-mechanical entity, not unlike the actual "Alien" itself. Did the Alien need a "suit", or clothes...ridiculous. It's external skin (or carapace) was composed of polarized silicon (stated by Ash). It also is implied that the Alien creature could withstand short periods of complete vacuum. It is clear that the morphology of the Space Jockey is somewhat similar. It "bio-mechanoid" creature that is completely "alien" when compared to terrestrial norms. The Jockey wasn't wearing a breathing apparatus...the "trunk"-like appendage was part of it's physical body.
B) The evidence of the exploded "rib-cage". This looked to be consistent with internal, anatomical damage, caused by an Alien exploding out from the inside of the Space Jockey's body. There certainly doesn't appear to be any hint of an external covering (suit). Rather, the injury appears to be integral to the creature's body, itself.C) The last shot we see of the Space Jockey is a haunting close-up shot of the creature's head...and specifically focused on what would be consistent with the location of one of the creature's eye (or viewing organs). In no way does this look to be a helmet...but rather, a mummified face in which the "eyes" have desiccated and long since dissolved away. -
Stop making prequels, produce original scripts you fucking ponces.
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I bet he's leaning towards a suit is strictly time line. I still question why two movies? Is it that the material is so in depth that it requires 4-5 hours to tell? I think he's going to keep the time line relatively close to the Nostromo for both films.
One or both is supposed to be 30 years prior. One purpose for the suit is that it's not fossilized, it just looks that way. Or that's what we'll be told anyways. This way it didn't take place thousands of years ago. Maybe there are some scenes with the space jockeys and humans. This suit idea makes it possible.
I've always had a problem with how are they going to show the space jockey in the time frame of what happened on that ship.
I thought that the film would say something like "14,000 years before man step foot on the moon". And then show the space jockey race on its home planet. Then in the same film we see how they met up with the alien race. And how and why the space jockey ship ended up on that planet.
The second film, or part 2 might just be a rehashed Alien 1 set-up. Alien on board crew gets wiped out.
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LV-426/Acheron wasn't technically in Zeta II Reticuli, but still, unless is was a lot closer, like Alpha Centauri (4 light years), it would still take an assload of time to travel back to Earth unless some exotic (ie hyperspace) type of stardrive were used.As for the Space Jockey's suit idea, I'm getting Independence Day flashbacks here. Granted, Emmerich was obviously influenced by Giger's style with ID4's alien invaders. I like the idea that the jockey was "fused" or "growing" out of the chair. It makes it that much more bizarre and well... alien.
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What if the one that Kane, Dallas, and Lambert saw in ALIEN was just some semi-sentient pilot that was alone on the ship? How do we know whether or not the beings that built the derelict actually resemble the jockey, and if they do, how much do their original forms differ?
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It's utterly unimportant to the story! It was just a bit of foreshadowing. Beyond that... who cares!
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as its own spin-off film series?I think that could be pretty neat. Maybe start it out without any aliens, but the CM having to liberate some backwater colony from political radicals, or how about taking back a settlement from rebellious colonists on strike against Weyland Yutani?Then if it were successful, they could eventually do a marines vs. aliens film again, but this time with the characters that were established in the earlier CM films. I'd pay to see that. This way, the people that love Ridley's style will get some Alien prequels, and those of us that are itching for some more Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun action, would get that too.Plus, we really need to find out more about that Arcturian poontang.
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I don't want the enigma of the jockey to be ruined either. I just had the random thought of why the thing was fused to the chair, and thought maybe the jockies are so into bio-engineering, that they could all look so different, or might have tons of different classes based upon what they do in life, if you will.Hopefully they don't go that way with the film, as my idea sounds more like a useful thing to use in a sci-fi FPS than an Alien film.One thing I wouldn't mind them doing in the prequels, would be finding more jockey ruins/derelicts/skeletons. As long as they keep the creepiness and the mystery, I think it could be effective. I certainly don't want to see a jockey walking around and interacting with humans or xenomorphs.
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I loved Legend.....
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Ridley should create a new space horror film.
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Jun 15, 2010 2:46:08 AM CDT
Scott may say "Oh, he's a replicant. No doubt about it."
by droogie alex
But on the same stage a few years ago, the screenwriter himself said "Oh no he isn't"
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Jun 15, 2010 2:47:34 AM CDT
Scott may say "Oh, he's a replicant. No doubt about it."
by droogie alex
But on the same stage a few years ago, the screenwriter himself said "Oh no he isn't"
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Still blows me away.
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Jun 15, 2010 3:54:37 AM CDT
you can say bladerunner is overatted until blue in the face
by talkbacker with no name
it's funny everytime you say it. Blade Runner is great. You are not.
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I wouldn't say that BLADE RUNNER is the best movie ever (i rate CITIZEN KANE as that), but it is one of my top 3 personal favorite movie. So, in a way, we are in agreement. About time too.
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Because i'm such a Blade Runner geek, it means to watched the end credits of the movie too. And Alan Nourse together with William Burroughs, is also acknowledged in allowing the title of Blade Runner for the movie. for years i have been trying to get that noval, by the way. I did mannaged to get the published version of Burroughs script called BLADE RUNNER: A MOVIE. Now i just wish i could find the book that originated it.
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But.. but... but the psychotic lions died! (SPOILER)
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Right on. I love to see when this boys think it's so sleek, street and kewl to bash truly great movies so they can be seen as radical and in. Frankly, the way i see it, the new radical is to disliek bad movies, because loving them is all the rage right now. Loving the good stuff is the new radical.
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in the wind while ice skating uphill...
The tech is so here to stay its not even funny - just be thankful that your favourite directors are getting to grips with it, rather than Jason Reitman or whoever. And don't think Del Toro won't knock the tool of the park the second he's forced to use it, when Mountains and Hobbit at last get going. Like Scott, he's at heart a practical effects man, but he's embrace CG in the way its meant to be embraced, and likewise he and Scott will be doing so with stereoscopy.
Now, while us who live in the 21st century can look forward to PROPER new Alien, NON-P WS Anderson/Strauss Bros goodness, all you luddites can go and get back to watching your five second long, black & white, soundless Trip to the Moon movie on your antique bubble TVs while while driving your Edsels and eating asbetos chips.
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It's funny how evne the people involved in making BLADE RUNNER ar enot in agrement. Scott says he is, David Peoples and Harrison ford says he isn't, Rutger Hauer and Daryl Hannah ambraces the ambiguity of "is he/isn't he" about Deckard. And i love the movie for it. It creates discussion, it makes people think, almost 30 years after it was first released. Certainly no JJ Abrams movie can achieve that, that's for sure!
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We agree on something :)
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Jun 15, 2010 5:07:32 AM CDT
AsimovLives, and love the irony of your post on bashing good mov
by talkbacker with no name
Star trek is great. You are not.
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Good movies came from all it's epochs, not just the 21th century. Deal with it.
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Jar Jar Abrams's STAR TREK IN NAME ONLY is great? In what measure should i use to mistake that fucking piece of shit for a good movie?
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...about fracking time! ^__^
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It would be bound to happen, sooner or later, as all things are.
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... if i'm not too mistaken, your nick cames from the main character in GHOST IN THE SHELL. As such, it means we have a lot of things in common, because i worship that movie.
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Yeah... and, boy, is their mum *pissed*! Coming soon, 'Ghost and the Darkness 2: Killer Pussy'.
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Dammit, that's good. their mommy, hem? Certainly, lionesses are pretty agressive creatures. Only porblem, they are very small compared to lions, and they only hunt in packs, unlike the lion who hunts alone. Actually, what made Ghost and Darkness so remarkable was that they hunted together, a behavior that was never observed in lions before and since. And yes, the movie is based on real events, somewhat fictionalized because the character played by Michael Douglas was based on a german guy i believe, not an american.
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Basically all the "retirements" are stunning action set pieces, with Zora's and Roy's taking the spotlight. Pris and Leon's exits are good too, but very quick...
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...actually makes the most sense. I always wondered why it was that the creature's body seemed to meld with the chair/equipment. Interesting. The Alien preguel idea has me nervous but if it works it will no doubt be EPIC!
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Claiming we'd be on Mars when what they really mean is--"GIVE US MORE MONEY!"
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It has been here since Queen Victoria. Stereoscopy for live action is a flawed process: You project 3D space onto 2D planes (introducing warping and distortion), then you try to fool the brain by merging the images back. No wonder people get sick watching these. I believe stereoscopy will remain for CG cartoons, but for live action 3D will be here to stay when someone comes up with a better technology or technique.
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Stylistically, it can't be touched. But the plot is seriously lacking, and Ford's character is underdeveloped.
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If you have a chance, read the Alien 3 article in Cinefex magazine. It's a great in depth view on the production and special FX, but also a great interview with Fincher, who says that he knew full well that Fox was handing him the Titanic as his first gig. I remember, after seeing the film, thinking that, although the movie was disappointing, the direction was very good and that the sense of dread really transpired throughout the movie. I was really happy to see Fincher return with Seven.
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No, man, it's called subtlery and nuanced acting and storytelling. Back in the 70s and early 80s, many filmmakers still believed in that.
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Indeed.
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Are both exercises in style but it doesn't make them any lesser movies. They are thematically sound and convey concepts, ideas, emotion, etc as any good art does. Same can be said for 2001. There are megatons of other empty eye candy operations to bash on before getting to these. You can start by the Pirate of the Carribean fluff, a fine example of Set Designers Gone Wild and very little else.
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...I should have said Art Directors Gone Wild to be more precise.
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Jun 15, 2010 12:58:07 PM CDT
Oh my god, STFU about the space jockey and his suit!
by prestigeworldwide
Seriously, it's NOT that big of a deal. I really hate when people bitch about something that that's not worth even a minute of time harping on. First off, WHY WOULDN'T THE JOCKEY BE WEARING A SUIT? Granted, we don't know about the societal norms about the race in question, but they would more then likely wear clothing, especially for space travel, and it would stand to reason that the jockey wouldn't be sitting bare assed naked on the ships controller seat, or whatever it was attached to. Also, since when was it integral to the plot that the alien jockey had to or didn't have to be wearing a suit? I was always personally pissed about the fact that THERE WAS A FREAKING ALIEN PILOT'S CORPSE CHILLING THERE THAT NO ONE ON THE MINING SHIP SEEMED TO CARE ABOUT! I mean, seriously, what the hell? Was the universe of the xenomorphs ever really explained as far as the existence of other life? This always pissed me off, because from what I remember from the Alien movies, no other life had been discovered, especially sentient life. So, here we have what would be considered THE GREATEST FREAKING DISCOVERY IN HUMAN HISTORY AND THEY JUST IGNORE IT AND MOVE ON?!? I know they took the alien face hugger with them, though they had know choice, since it was hugging a face at the time, but did anyone in any of the movies EVER refer back to the mysterious humaniiod alien pilot just chilling in his giant spaceship? Look, I don't remember all the details of the first two movies, as it as has over a decade since I saw either one, but I LOVE the idea of having the jockey's race the subject of the prequel. It doesn't 'take away from the mystery' whatever the hell that means. It sheds light on an important part of the Alien myhtos, and I for one welcome it.
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Jun 15, 2010 1:16:55 PM CDT
Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Lets go Celtics!
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Jun 15, 2010 1:34:11 PM CDT
The idea of the jockey wearing a suit seems to take away
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
from the unfathomable 'alien-ness' of the race. It seems that Scott is considering explaining things in a very pragamatic fashion, based on human logic, which would be a great mistake. One of the reasons the derelict and the jockey were so unsettling was because they made no sense whatsoever to human minds, or at least gave the impression of such. Truly the most successful 'alien' environments and designs ever put on film, not neccessarily in a logical sense, but in their utter oddness. I mean - a flying ribcage, and a creature seemingly melded with its instruments? Who could tell where the organic part began, and the mechanical part ended? Bio-mechanical, indeed. The idea of the jockey wearing a suit would seem to take away from that. Well thought out certainly, and an extra-terrestrial mirroring of human tech, but decidedly less 'alien' tahn what was inferred from the original. The Jockey race should really have no concept of 'suits' for space travel, or even clothing. Perhaps their natural biological features can be melded with mechanical tools, or they could even be race that evolved out of 'living' mechanics - sort of like the Transformers mythos (the comics, not the Bay crap).When Alien's concept art was first being brainstormed, Ron Cobb was tasked with designing the xenomorph itself, as well as the Nostromo interiors. He was succcessful in regards to the human environments, since he excelled at coming up with plausible futuristic interpretations of credible equipment and things based on realistic engineering, things that looked like they could actually work. His designs for the alien itself were dire, and not because they were badly designed per se. One of his interpretations of the creature was an octopus like carnivore. Like all his creatures, it was plausible as a logical imagining of xenobiology, but it failed as a truly frightening creature. As Ron Sushett remarked: "Cobb's creatures all looked like they could have come out of an inter-galactic zoo; Giger's monsters all looked like they came out of a bad dream." And that is the key distinction. While the human tech in Alien should be rational, the jockeys and the alien and their cultures should be based on a kind of Freudian nightmare logic, defying rational sense. The alien, for instance, has a penile head several feet long. That would be impractical in a real creature, making it top heavy, but it doesn't matter - it is well suited to the psycho-sexual undertones that the movie sought to evoke.
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Not the best Ridley Scott film, either. Blade Runner is so boring.
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His work on the project seems both more important and inspired than that of Moebius--Giger designed, among other things, the Alien itself, The Derelict and the Space Jockey.
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it moves along quite nicely. Not like Heat. Now that was a boring picture.
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... now this old man speaks like Geroge Lucas. Blah blah. He should be honest and just say: "we want to milk the dead cow of Aliens' franchise to the last damn drop". We do NOT need any fucking prequel that will DESTROY the mistery that makes up half of the greatness of Alien.
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it's one of my favorite movies of all time, now where the fuck is Alien on blu ray?
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Did he at least do you the honor of removing Alien 3 and 4 from the booklet?
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I recommend you read my original post, as well as the subsequent one by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave (whom also makes an excellent case). In my post, I provided, what I believe to be, three compelling arguments against the Space Jockey “in a suit” concept. These arguments are based directly upon the original "Alien" movie...i.e. the comments by Kane, as well as the specific depiction of the Space Jockey, as it appears in the film.I respectfully disagree with your contention that "none of the characters seemed to care about it (the Jockey)". You admit that you haven't seen "Alien" in a decade, so you have obviously forgotten the original shock, awe, and wonderment exhibited by Dallas, Kane and Lambert upon their initial discovery of the Space Jockey's remains. It was a big deal. However, the events immediately following its discovery, and the subsequent struggle, by all hands, just to stay alive, obviously made the initial discovery of the Space Jockey an issue of low priority.As to why the Space Jockey's existence does not figure prominently in subsequent movies of the franchise…this can be answered two ways:A) Ridley Scott had ZERO participation or involvement in the subsequent films, so it was completely up to the writers/directors of these films to either bring the Space Jockey creature back into the story...or not. Obviously, with the possible exception of Cameron, the existence of the Space Jockey just wasn't part of their story. In Cameron's "Aliens", Ripley definitely reveals the existence of the derelict "alien" spacecraft, and explains to the big wigs at Weyland-Yutani that the craft was full of "eggs", from which the actual Alien creature originated. I can't recall if Ripley specifically mentions the discovery of the "Space Jockey" creature, but this point may be moot, due to the second explanation. Ripley never saw the Space Jockey. She was not an eyewitness. Only Dallas, Kane and Lambert saw the creature. If you may recall, they lost all real-time telemetry and video communication with Ash once they entered the derelict craft. One might posit a theory in which the "away team's" spacesuits kept a local, digital recording of their excursion. However, the subsequent exigencies of their situation (Kane's condition, death, and emergence of the Alien) would have precluded Ripley from studying any such recordings.Ripley never was provided any specific details on the Space Jockey creature...with the possible exception of a very short debrief by Dallas, the focus of which was what had happened to Kane. Since Ripley's character was never given any specific details on the Space Jockey creature, she had little to no information to pass on. Furthermore, any potential recordings made by Dallas, Kane and/or Lambert were obliterated when the Nostromo self-destructed.
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what is the force, you asked? well, there's this thing called midichloroforms or some shit...
next up:
joker, the prequel. how he got his scar.
superman, the prequel. how putting on red underpants on the outside became a fashion trend in krypton.
you got alien, then you got aliens. that's enough. leave it the fuck alone and do something else new entirely! spielberg got indy 4, lucas got the shitquels, and soon ridley scott will have his alien prequel. see the trend among the old timers? sign of senility is going back to the same well draining the lifeblood of the films that made them stars. in the meantime we have the youngblood giving us the matrix, district 9, ironman, dark knight, etc etc. -
How does hypersleep work?
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There's a Cameron starlog interview or something that explains why nobody found or mentioned the space jockey in between alien and aliens. I think the big rip in the Jockey's ship (Aliens directors cut, duh, people!) is supposed to be a symptom of the damage. Anyway, the Nostromo heard the signal but in between Ripley's big hypersleep the signal got cut off somehow. That's why nobody finds the Space Jockey's ship until some honcho in a head office *cough*Carter Burke - he checked it out after Ripley's "fuck you" debrief.*cough* sends the poor folk on LV-426 to check out on a grid reference and off go the Jorden. Why weren't they more inquisitive about the mysterious grid reference? "It takes two weeks to get an answer out here and the answer is always don't ask."
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come on guys, jett is fucking hilarious. it's not his fault some of you knuckledraggers are so fucking dumb that you can't have any fun with it. you'd rather go "gotcha!! there's no way you're really a successful writer/producer/director!" really dipshit, what tipped you off?
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"blade runner is boring, but lost is brilliant!" kill yourself, plebe.
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I just skimmed, basically for the Alien origin and the naughty gay sex and the last page (which was a fan-fucking-tastic last page, though). BUT, spoilers ahoy!, it seems the alien origin is a fucked up mistake of a local space-ant that gets mixed up with the Space Jockey's taraformming stuff and, boom, super-evolved ants = xenomorphs. The ironic part about all this which I love is that it leads into this exchange between Hudson and Vasquez from Aliens. "Hey, maybe it's like an ant hive." "Bees, man. Bees have hives." "You know what I mean. There's like...one female that runs the whole show. She's badass, man. I mean, big!" "These things ain't ants, pendajo." "I know that!!" But if the xenomporhs are super-evolved space-ants - HUDSON WAS RIGHT! Seriously, I gotta make t-shirts of that.
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Nope. You're thinking like a human. Try thinking like a life-form with, say, a carapace.
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Indeed. I was particularly fond of the moment when Michael Myers decided to become an unkillable bogeyman because some school kids made fun of his mum being a stripper. I also enjoyed the moment when he made use of a truck stop's facilities in order to unload a possibly-supernatural shit in the nearest toilet bowl. Classic moments of cinema brought to you by some fucking idiot with too many crayons and not enough imagination.
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it beggers belief that people think Dekkard is a replicant. just watch the damn movie, at no point is there any evidence or even a slight inkling that he could be anything but human...jeez. Still doesnt stop it being one of the best movies ever made...
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So what about the unicorn dream bits, added in the director's cut, that tie in directly with the origami unicorn left in front of Deckard's apartment at the end of the movie?
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Space Jockey suit is gay idea
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I think that's partially what Scott was getting at with the Nasa comment. This country flips its fucking lid and demands work stoppage if someone dies building some sort of massive engineering project... now while such deaths are always tragic, they are BOUND to happen anytime we attempt to build or engineer anything on a heretofore unseen level. Meanwhile, if you ever watch any of these engineering shows like Modern Marvels or read magazines about these things, places like China and France throw so much manpower, money, and ingenuity at engineering problems, be it a dam, a bridge, or even the super collider, that it makes Americans look like we're just coming out of the stone age. Every time they cover the building of a hotel in Las Vegas or some such feat, there are a lot of incompetent people in charge, a lot of guys standing around doing nothing, and a shitload of political red tape to get through every time someone hammers in a nail. It's fucking unreal... and it's slowed down progress and long-term problem solving in the U.S. to a crawl.
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Star Wars 1-2-3, Indiana Jones 1-2-3, Blade Runner. I think he could have done even more blockbusters.
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the origami is made by the battlestar galatica cop. Its left by him to let dekkard know he knows what happened and doesnt give a shit.no replicants are mentioned...
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Been sitting here cracking up for the past hour reading these posts! He's so convincing, I love it!
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Jun 18, 2010 7:59:35 AM CDT
Half dozen reports on the Q&A and not one complete transcription
by wmmvrrvrrmm
Well, what I've done is break everything into bundles of statements and interpretations about what Ridley said about this and that throughout the interview to give you the most complete picture available until someone who has an audio copy actually decides to transcribe the *swear word* thing, or give it to me to do. I'll do it and I'll transcribe it syllable for syllable because I care about Ridley's words
http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2010/06/ridley-scott-at-hero-complex-festival.html -
http://tinyurl.com/32m3wqs
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