June 13, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST
June 13, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST
June 13, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST
Buscemi in the house. Guess I'll wait for the DVDs.
June 13, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST
Steve Buscemi with a badass leading role? sold.
June 13, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric
...sometimes a teaser is too much of a tease. Peter Dinklage's casting as Tyrion Lannister is fucking aces though (yes, I realize that there aren't exactly a dearth of little people actors out there...but he'll rock this shit).
June 13, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST
That said, this looks fantastic.
June 13, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST
Legend of the Seeker. That GoT trailer didn't look like much though I'll try to keep an open mind since it didn't look horrible either.
June 13, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST
Is their magic and/or supernatural stuff in that book series or is it all realistic, but just on another planet?
June 13, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST
It starts out without magic, but magic starts leaking in toward the end of the first book...Mostly reality-based, though...
June 13, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST
Except for the prologue, that is...
June 13, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Boardwalk Empire looks great. Game of Thrones will be the best television show ever. Obviously it would've been great to see more, but its still about a year away, and they've only shot the pilot so far. Plus, two of the main female roles were recast, so not much to work with yet. Pretty sure they only put that teaser out there because the books are so popular. They also just released the first publicity still of Sean Bean as Ned Stark, holding Ice: h**p://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5400/gotseanbean.jpg And here's a bunch of fan-made stills from the trailer: h**p://img809.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=67853045.jpg
June 13, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST
Thank you veddy much.
June 13, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST
is like comparing "Batman & Robin" to "The Dark Knight".
June 13, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST
Now, excuse me while I go watch True Blood and Treme.
June 13, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST
It IS fantasy, but the fantasy is almost in the background, if that makes sense. The political machinations make up the heart of the story. However, as recognizable as some of the archetypes are (and from what I understand Martin's story was inspired by the War of the Roses), their world could never be mistaken as "the real world."
June 13, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST
Thrones is one of the best fantasy series of the last, well ever. Legend is, well, not. I'd love to see HBO tackle The Book of Atrix Wolfe after Games is finished. That books deserves waaaaaaay more love than it's received...
June 13, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST
And is she going to get all kinds of naked in it?
June 13, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST
Hope it lives up to it.
June 13, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Her character certainly gets freaky in the books. Also, did anyone else notice that shot of Michael K. Williams ("Omar" from the Wire) in the Boardwalk trailer? Fuck yeah!
June 13, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST
Those links for those pics of Sean Bean holding Ice aren't working, you have another one? Super amped for Thrones, 2011 can't come soon enough.
June 13, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST
by I Max U Mini
Actually, the man who portrayed Willard Whyte in "Diamonds Are Forever", Jimmy Dean, is dead at the age of 81. Singer, sausage maker and actor (does anyone remember his stint on the old Daniel Boone TV series? I think he played a character named Atticus.)
June 13, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST
Martin was inspired by the War of the Roses as well as the Hundred Year war plus elements of other medieval and ancient world cultures--most especially the real wicked ones like the Assyrians. Just like what Ribbons mentioned about magic . There too is a supernatural element lurking in the background of the books..plus other forms of evil.
June 13, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST
June 13, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST
....I thought it was airing sooner.
June 13, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST
Buscemi actually playing the full out lead in something big, about damn time.
June 13, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST
by The Goat
The Ned still can be found here: h**p://winter-is-coming.net/ and this link to the gallery of trailer stills should work: h**p://img809.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=67853045.jpg Me likey the three whores (probably from the first Tyrion scene), and its hard to be sure, but it looks like Ice's scabbard may be made out of a wolf's head. Glorious.
June 13, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST
A ten year wait for two books that was supposed to be one is beyond ridiculous and, from what I've heard, there's still at least three more planned. HBO is really taking a gamble on something that may never have an ending. A shame because, as pointed out above, it really is the best adult fantasy series ever written.
June 13, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST
Bean looks awesome. I'm kind of disappointed that Ice doesn't look crazier, but I really like the realistic bent they seem to be grounding the material with. Can't wait.
June 14, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST
wtf? Is everyone connected to the fuckin internet trying to watch these two trailers?!? 1:27 long Boardwalk trailer took long enough for me to bake a cake, fuck a hooker & buy a couple powerball tickets. I think I've downloaded whole seasons of Law & Order in faster times. Once I was able to watch them both trailers looked sweet, minus their size. I mean I had to use a fucking telescope to watch the Game of Thrones trailer. Not only did the Allies defeat the Axis faster than the fuckers downloaded but I had to use the fucking Kepplar goddamn telescope to see them. Boardwalk Empires is going to disappoint if history is any indication. To each their own though, I personally thought Sopranos was garbage after the 3rd maybe 4th season.
June 14, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST
I love how they gave the teaser a more 'horror' like feeling. Boardwalk looks pretty good, but THIS is the show I'm looking forward to.
June 14, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST
took me 10 seconds...check your internet
June 14, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST
i can't wait for game of thrones. and after watching the missing person last night i'm more than a little excited about watching michael vs steve in boardwalk empire
June 14, 2010, 4:32 a.m. CST
friggin torrent was runnin in the background i forgot about,that & im a cantankerous old bastard.
June 14, 2010, 6:11 a.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
I hope HBO does right by the material. Amazing stuff to work from. I die a little inside every time I think about how long it's been since the last book came out. George R.R. Martin will probably die and leave us all in the lurch. Brilliant, infuriating bastard!
June 14, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST
Game of Thrones along with The Walking Dead is TV NERD HEAVEN!!
June 14, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST
...which is about when Martin projects to finish writing the books in the series.
June 14, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
June 14, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST
If they can capture anywhere near what the books are like this will be the best show ever!!! People going into this with no knowledge of the stories twists, turns, betrayals will be blown away. I am not a huge fan of fantasy novels...but these books are elevated above it all. BOOM Game of Thrones will rape your fanboy carcass and toss it to the wolves!!!
June 14, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST
The first three books pretty much rocked the house...but come on...the 4th book was nowhere near the quality of the first three, and the fact that Martin pretty much became a victim of his own creative over-reach is evident throughout. I'll be as excited as everyone else when book 5 finally comes out, but the whole Dance With Dragons debacle has me reserving judgment on the entire endeavor until he proves he can get back on track. Just providing some perspective.
June 14, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST
I guess True Blood was a series of books, but the show is moving further away as each season goes on. HBO is going to need that for Game of Thrones since I don't expect Martin to finish the series. I also agree book 4 was pretty weak, but it did feel like a bridge book to the next trilogy more then anything else. I just hope they keep the major points like the Red Wedding, the rise and fall of the Landisters as well as the fate of King Stark. They go probably just do a season of the background material to keep it going. I do think the books have gone down such a dark path that it will be like Kings' Towers series where the end is going to be a pain to get through and most of the fans saying "That was it?" I could be pleasantly disappointed though, I hope.
June 14, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST
Totally agree on Book 4. It just didn't have the urgency of the other 3. Book three had so much going on: The Red Wedding, Joffrey's Wedding, Tyrion's father issues, baby dragons eating slavers faces...book three had...Cersei being paranoid. The main problem was no Tyrion, Danaerys or John. I did enjoy the Greyjoy stuff but it was more or less a set up for the next book. I do believe that Martin has this all planned out and I highly doubt this will go the Dark Tower route. His plotting is to too intricate to not have an end game.
June 14, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST
A Song of Ice and Fire rocks!
June 14, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST
June 14, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST
June 14, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST
There really isnt much magic in the series.......in fact, throughout book 1, there isnt any at all, and in fact the very IDEA of magic is mocked, Martin actually lures you into thinking "Psshhhhh, magic schmagic, there isnt gonna be any magic in this!!".....until, of course, one of the coolest most bad ass magic reveals of all time. Lets put it this way, if you havent read the books, the cliff hanger that this season is going to end on is going to make you shat your collective pants.
June 14, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST
If Game of Thrones keeps that atmospheric look I'll be very impressed. Geeks who don't read books won't know what hit them next year.
June 14, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST
Tons of people havent read the books and needless to say, i would be uber f'n pissed if I hadnt read them and had it spoiled. In fact, if you havent read the books, just avoid these TBs at all costs,m there is no way everything wont get spoiled
June 14, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST
The problem with book 4 is, alot of the stuff is fine as a background story in a better book. Cersei, the Iron Islands stuff, the Arya stuff, they would all be fine as background stuff in a better book, but its like making a star trek episode with nothing but redshirts. Its not that the redshirts cant be interesting, but eventually, you wanna see Capt. Kirk. Secondly, the Brienne chapters are literally the most pointless, boring, useless things ever committed to paper. You could completely skip those and miss literally nothing.
June 14, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST
Just as great as the first 3 books. It is an aftermath book that picks up the pieces for the characters based around King's Landing. It also expands on the badass Greyjoys. People were more upset because most of their favorite characters (Tyrion, Dany, Jon Snow) were not covered, which is why A Dance With Dragons needs to be finished soon!! But Feast was a great book. Just a slower read.
June 14, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
Skipping Brienne would not leave you hanging by her last chapter, though. :)
June 14, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST
Actually it get's much better the second time around. I was bored out of my skull the first time, like most people. Really enjoyed it when I reread the books to be up to speed when Dance with dragons was supposed to be released. Well, joke's on me... By the time that book's released I'll have to read them all over again...
June 14, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST
I agree with Gooseud...the last episode will have a scene that if they can pull it off...will blow some fucking people off of their asses! Fuck Frodo! Tyrion gets my vote for the best midget in literature!
June 14, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST
The certain person walking out of the certain thing while carrying certain other things will be amongst the most famous scenes of the year in 2011, mark my words. I cant wait to get on these boards and read the reaction of those who dont know whats coming.
June 14, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST
Agree 100% about the 4th book. Too funny. I am reading it now for the 2nd time and I like it a lot more than the 1st time around. I am done reading them until GRRM stops watching football and posting about nothing on his blog and finishes the book. I am almost positive we are going to hear that A Dance With Dragons was too long and will also be cut in two.
June 14, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST
Anyone get a chance to read it? Brienne is a good character. The problem was the situations she is involved are really drawn out, the last page is worth it though. I started to find the Stark girls boring after awhile. I also agree to an extent on the red shirt theory. It was just the red shirts they choose to further advance. While, I like the Sam character, there was too much of him as well as the Islanders. The Islanders storyline seemed like a tact on especially on it ends for Theon and the others. I just wish he would just send the books out and let a good and faster editor get a hold of them. I am surprised HBO greenlighted this considering the story isn't done unless they are just going to go their own way after season 4 if it goes that far.
June 14, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST
Damn, what a great book! Easily one of the best I have ever read in my life. Next stop:A Feast for Crows!
June 14, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST
Maybe...just maybe...Martin is doing like Stephen King and finishing the entire series all at once. What other excuse does he have for taking more than five years on one book?
June 14, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST
you're not a cantankerous old anything. And you never baked a cake, fucked anyone, or any of the other asinine comments you wrote. You're 16. That's all.
June 14, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . when the wife started True Blood on the DVR. Heard "winter is coming" and dropped my crystal light on the floor. WOW. Just wow. It really is happening. And Boardwalk will be the shit, too. DAMN, TV can rock!!!
June 14, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST
Book 4 is DEFINATELY a slowdown from book 3, so go in with proper expectations (although the last 50 pages are pretty bad ass). Then again, a 3 way with Anna Paquin andJessica Alba would be a slowdown from reading book 3.
June 14, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST
it is That. Fucking. Awesome.
June 14, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST
it is That. Fucking. Awesome.
June 14, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST
I like fantasy, but this book is more like a medieval drama. Where is the fantasy? There's almost no magic anywhere in the book.
June 14, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...ever since I read The Armageddon Rag but I am pretty sure he's in trouble with the series. I hope he manages to finish it in some satisfying way but I wouldn't lay any money on that outcome.
June 14, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST
That's what I love about it. Magic is not in the fore-front of this fanstasy world. No elves or Hobbits or Orcs. Just badass (spoilers) Dragons, Direwolves, and Others.
June 14, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST
There certainly arent any deus ex machina magic tricks to save the day.......nor are they any cute little wood elves named Eauuatyzza. In fact, if there were, they would probably get raped. And then their heads cut off and put on a spike. And then someone would come along and rape the head. And then their dick would get caught on the spike and they would die. Ya know, somethin along those lines.
June 14, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST
and bad ass zombies. Dont forget zombies.
June 14, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST
Hahaha!!! Nice!!! Game of Thrones will Rape and Dismember your children in 2011. The lack of magic is good as it makes the scenes that involve it that much better...the scene that shall go unspoken wouldn't be nearly as damn cool if every chapter had some fantastic bullshit going on.
June 14, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST
Yeah don't forget zombies...or bitches giving birth to killer shadows...
June 14, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST
HBO is BACK, wow!!! And Treme is officially getting deleted from my Watch List. Sorry David Simon, but I am done with you.
June 14, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
yes, i´m aware that book 4 wasn´t well received by fans because Martin left Jon and Tyrion for Dance with Dragons(among other reasons)so i´m lowering my expectations. BTW any word when Dance comes out? Maybe Spring 2011 at the same time as the tv show premieres?It would make sense from a marketing point of view...
June 14, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST
Seriously guys, I'm not kidding - this is beyond lame that you continue to show little to no interest in this series while plenty of people on here are raving like crazy about it. Herc, Harry, Capone, someone just pick up a fucking book and read a bit to get hooked like the rest of us have so you know what's ahead. This is The Lord Of The Rings of television coming our way and you either make a half assed summary of what you've heard the books are about or just a link to the teaser with no remarks or the picture of Sean Bean as Ned Stark holding Ice that I starred at for 10 fucking minutes this morning, getting so excited over just a picture. I've only read the first 3 books - been holding off on reading Feast Of Crows until Dance comes out (if he doesn't hurry up, I'll probably have to time to reread them all). I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to give out homework assignments but seriously, read A Game Of Thrones already and follow this like you followed the Star Wars prequels and Lord Of The Rings back in the day - these are without question among the greatest fantasy books of all time by all who've read them, give this project it's fucking due.
June 14, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
last page in A Feast For Crows? I can't remember and I've lent my books to my dad to read. Yes, talk about going the other way 'round. He usually is the one to get me hooked on literary works. It was nice to be able to return the favor.
June 14, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Harry doesn't have time to read them, though. He's too busy creaming himself over A Princess of Mars and other John Carter nonsense. I read almost every John Carter book and they are TRIPE compared to the George R.R. Martin A Song of Ice and Fire books. Hell, Tyrion Lanister is a more interesting character than John Carter and every big-tittied princess on Barsoom rolled into one. Not that there's anything wrong with big-tittied Barsoomian Princesses. Except they never put out.
June 14, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
as he was writing the part of Tyrion. The same actor playing the same part that the author intended. That doesn't work out very often. One more reason this is such a friggin' EPIC deal! How about some embedded coverage, AICN? This is quite possibly the biggest story in years, and you guys are nowhere near it. Boo to you.
June 14, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST
They only watch movies. They do not read books. Anyone who would watch Game of Thrones on HBO owes it to themselves to read the books first. The series will most likely kick unholy ass but they will never compare to the books. Books take more effort to read than popping in a DVD and eating food I guess.
June 14, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST
Check out The Sunne in Splendour by Sharon Kay Penman. It's one of Martin's influences for A Song of Ice and Fire and one of the best novels ever written about The War of the Roses. If anything, it'll give you a greater appreciation for what Martin has accomplished with this series, as well as giving you something to read while you're waiting for the next book.
June 14, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST
I've never seen my Thrones books again after reading them because they've been on epic travels through family and friends to rapturous enthusiasm.<br /><br />These really are some of the best books written.<br /><br />Now get the series finished you fat fuck !!
June 14, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Just Lancasters and Yorks. And roses, apparently.
June 14, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
And his epitaph: "Here lies one of the finest writers ever to put pen to paper. Too bad he screwed the world out of the last of the story. Hope you're happy in Hell..."
June 14, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST
There have been suggestions that the second and third books are too long for a season each, so those might be season 2-4, and then Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons will be season 5 and 6 but integrated chronologically instead of split like how Martin did it. By that time, I'm sure the next books -- The Winds of Winter, and A Dream of Spring -- should be done, since those are the climax of the story and ought to be easier to write.
June 14, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
There is no way any HBO series would go 8-10 seasons, aint gonna happen. I mean, the most we could hope for is 6, meaning they'd either have to make up some sort of bogus ending or just cut a lot of stuff out of the books and stick to 1 book a season. My guess though, is that this will end similarly to Carnival and Rome, two seasons and done. No matter how good a show like this is, if it's expensive to make and no one watches, HBO won't renew it. And let's be honest, if Rome, and the Wire couldn't become smash hits (The Wire only stayed on air because it was relatively cheap to make) what makes us think GOT has any chance of it?
June 14, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . w/ a giant spider and a nuclear explosion. Not before writing himself into the story and having a major villain erased by an artist's pencil, of course.
June 14, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST
With Ned Stark waking up nude in a cold sweat next to Catelyn. He realized it was all a bad dream. He then get up and puts on his polished hound helmet and farts on his wife's head before pissing out the window.
June 14, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST
Because it's brilliant fucking writing, that's why.
June 14, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST
yeah King really fucked up the last couple books didn't, thanks to that fucking van!!
June 14, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST
Hells yes bro!!! This is by far and away the best series of books I have ever read. I usually stick with more realistic stuff...and never delve into sci-fi...but these things had me hooked from the start. Now my wife is hooked. She texts me holy shit moments from the book during the day. GOT will suceed where Rome failed in that it has strong female characters for women to relate too where Rome had none. This should be getting it's own talkback!!! No fanboy hype these books are that bad ass!!! Make it so Harry!!! If you are that busy buy the audio versions and listen to em while you are on the treadmill...
June 14, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST
I can see HBO giving this two seasons and then canning it. Tru Blood is on season 3 though. Yet, the story is way too epic and expensive to even get to the Red Wedding. I am thinking certain things will be dropped like the Islanders and some of the Stark girls' stuff. Book One is fairly straight forward with Ned, the Mongolians and of course the conspiracy. The rest is all background and can be mentioned like Lady Stark's sister and son as well as some of the other side characters. I just want to see how they are going to handle the story shifting from the Starks who are fairly good people to the Lannisters who are not even close to that. I am thinking they are going to make Tyrion a lot more sympathetic then usual, they are probably deleting his capture scene as well. Most audiences like bad guys, but not enough to follow them for the rest of the series.
June 14, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST
Hey, nothing wrong with a little optimism. Just think of me as the voice of reason. Not always what you want to hear, but most likely the truth nonetheless.
June 14, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
The good = It's HBO. The Bad = It's HBO.
June 14, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST
Meaning the show will be top notch, but will be canceled before it has a chance to wrap the story up.
June 14, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST
They are definitly going to have to make some cuts storywise...starting in book 2 the Davos stuff will probably be eliminated. Budgetwise if you see what has been done on Tudors the lavish interior shots of the castles look pretty damn good...and I don't think the budget of that show is anywhere near of what GOT's budget is or will be. Alot of the major battles take place in the background so that shouldn't be a problem budgetwise. I'm worried how they will pull off the look of places like Harrenhall and Kings Landing or at The Wall. The exterior CG shots of castles from Tudors look pretty f'n wonky.
June 14, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
Bran and everything related to him out of the story. The most tedious part of the whole series. Nothing interesting about that kid what so ever.
June 14, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST
and it will last for as many seasons as it needs to finish.
June 14, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST
on his website. he's such a geek.
June 14, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST
Here's my worry...where the hell is casting news for Littlefinger? Haven't seen nor heard a word...and that's one character that cannot be cut.
June 14, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST
Littlefinger is a major character of the series and is not going to be cut out. Their in the casting process even as we speak.
June 14, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST
but, yeah it did seem a bridge between the two main stories. I hope this series lasts long enough to see Dany and the Dragons.
June 14, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST
No way Littlefinger is getting cut. Any word yet on who they have cast as Varys?
June 14, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST
Dude needs to finish the series up while he still can. And if he can't, he needs to find an auther who he trusts, to help him finish it with him!
June 14, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST
I'm sure they'll both be in the series though. I'm with the rest of you guys though, this seems like almost a can't-miss home run. The only thing that could ruin this is the huge budget or some bad acting, and judging by the people they've hired so far that doesn't look like a problem.
June 14, 2010, 6 p.m. CST
June 14, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST
The show is so good that it has already been renewed for a second season. (Having seen a few minutes of it...that's great news to me!) You can expect Emmy/Golden Globe nods...particularly for Steve. HBO is truly a crappy channel for movies...but BE is worth it.
June 14, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST
Obviously, its impossible to pick just one (or 100) since literally every chapter is ridiculously awesome, but some of my faves: when you find out the truth about Syrio Forel, "Your pretty fast for a dancing master"...."Your pretty slow for a knight". Tyrion's speech to the troops at the foot of King's Landing with the wildfire raging in the background. Thinking Sansa is dead, only to have the Hound emerge from a mob of hundreds, covered in blood, with his sword in one hand and Sansa in the other, and his response to Sansa's comment that they outnumbered him 100's to 1: "Thats why they are who they are, and I am who I am. The wolf doesnt fear the sheep".
June 14, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST
by The Goat
He said a couple months ago he was up to around 1,350 manuscript pages for Dance, and he had made significant progress on sorting out the infamous "Mereenese knot" that was giving him so much trouble. Also, he's expanded the book so that it isn't just the "second half" of Feast, and that therefore it will include some POV chapters with Feast characters (likely Cersei, Brienne, and Euron) once the timelines are caught up. And the possibility always exist that some of these chapters will be moved to Winds of Winter. Regardless, I'm hopeful it'll be out by Christmas, but it will certainly be out before the show airs next summer. As far as the HBO series, they should have no problem doing CoK in 10-12 eps, and SoS in 12-13. If we get a 4th season, it will probably be a combination of Feast and Dance, I don't think they will leave Jon, Tyrion and Dany out of an entire season. I don't think they can strech out books for more than one season, though, simply because the young kids are going to start aging way too fast. Shooting starts July 26, still no casting news aside from the recasts of Catelyn and Dany, but Varys, Renly and Littlefinger are confirmed as being in.
June 14, 2010, 7 p.m. CST
Since Martin is writing the best fantasy series ever have to say I was really excited to see the trailer. However it definitely was a teaser trailer but it looked really good. As far as book #4 in the series goes it suffered because it was written like the other three with all of the character perspectives but when the book topped 1500 pages Martin's publisher would not publish the book at that length. So Martin made the decision to leave all of the perspectives outside of the seven kingdoms out of the book, which was a mistake as the book felt unbalanced. It was still an amazing book but not quite to the level of the 1st three. However in the 5th book I have no doubt that Martin will get it back. I am more excited about this series than any other media related event of 2011, by far!!
June 14, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST
I agree with several other posters that the final scene in AGOT was beyond awesome and has you stunned to the core at how amazing the scene is. To see that scene come to life your TV, that will be beyond compare. I envy people who are just starting the series as I wish I could erase my memory and read them fresh again, although they are so good I have read them several times. But I cannot imagine the slack jawed shock and awe of somebody who has not read the books watching the final scene of season 1 with Daneyrs. Maybe the greatest fantasy scene ever!
June 14, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST
by The Goat
From GoT (i.e. scenes we are definitely gonna get to see): Skycells!!! Battle of Green Fork should be great. Agree on Syrio, as well. Saddest/Most Blood-boiling: Ned and Lady followed by the Hound riding up with Mycah's body. "You rode him down." "He ran." He looked at Ned's face and laughed. "But not very fast." And of course, the two WTF!? moments at the end should be all-time epic TV moments.
June 14, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST
...but I can't help thinking that this would have been a great vehicle for Dominic West (i.e McNulty from THE WIRE) if he wasn't so focused on doing movies now.
June 14, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST
Sir Barristan stripping off his armor in front of that little bastard king, and finding out later he killed 3 knights on his way out of the building (clad in nothing but a tunic), the assault on the Wall in book 3 (when a certain person leading a group of people come riding over the hill, it truly is as dramatic and unexpected as any moment I've read in a fantasy series, the only time I've ever actually said "FUCK YEAH!!" out loud as I was reading.), and probably one of my all time fave scenes, the flashback to the battle of the old Kingsguard against Ned and company, when you find out what a true badass Arthur Dayne truly was, and first start to realize the truth.......that actually, who you thought were the heroes all this time actually may not have been, and the bad guys may actually have won back in the day.
June 14, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST
"...the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie, Lord Tywin Lannister in the end did not shit gold"
June 14, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST
by The Goat
that the studs on Ned's belt in the still pic are little wolfheads. Nice!
Man too many good scenes to count...I think the intoduction Gregor Clegane during the tournament at winterfell was pretty fucking awesome...you knew he was not one to be fucked with when hacked up his own horse after getting knocked down by the knight of flowers.
June 14, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
June 14, 2010, 9 p.m. CST
The closest these books come to elves are the Old Gods I guess. However all the "magic" stuff is passed off as fable and the Dragons are treated kind of like extinct Dinosaurs. I hope they delve into a bit of those Westerosi fairy tales in the show.
June 14, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric
I don't need to know that every single dude is wearing either a doublet or "oiled ringmail over boiled leather".
June 14, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST
That's truly a tough one. I'll go with Tyrion's trial by combat. Loved that bit.
June 14, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST
He went through two...The first was at the Eyrie although I'm Pretty sure you meant the one between Gregor and the Red Viper.
June 14, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST
"What was her name? SAY HER NAME!! SAY IT!!! SAY HER NAME!!!"
June 14, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST
Really guys, if your going reveal key plot points and scenes, at least type SPOILER in the subject line. Your totally screwing up anyone who's has any interest in reading the books, or that matter, watching the series.
June 14, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST
is still bran and the window at the very beginning. utter shock. that was when i knew this book was different.
June 14, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST
by The Goat
His greatsword was planted in the ground before him, six feet of scarred metal. Ser Gregor's huge hands, clad in gauntlets of lobstered steel, clasped the crosshilt to either side of the grip. Even Prince Oberyn's paramour paled at the sight of him. "You are going to fight THAT?" Ellaria Sand said in a hushed voice. "I am going to kill that," her lover replied carelessly.
June 14, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST
What's great about it is we, the readers, all expect Tyrion to die, and he doesn't making him the luckiest bloke in the entire book! Although thinking back on it, the one with Bronn was pretty damn entertaining as well! Man, I need to reread the series...
June 15, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST
Had the very first ever printed HEDGE KNIGHT comic book character designs from artist Mike Miller in The Rift #1. Cool to see this as an HBO series. Someday I hope that I get one basked of the my books too. lol
June 15, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST
We really need edit tools on here. : )
June 15, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST
I'm definitely looking forward to both of these shows, for different reasons. Can't wait.<p> One of my favorite scenes from Martin's books was Joffrey's ceremonial dinner, where the shit hits the fan, pushing numerous resolutions to wayward plot strings all at once, and in startlingly bloody fashion. What happens to Joffrey himself had me standing up, clenching my fist, and saying "Fuck, yeah!" out loud.<p> Like I wrote, can't wait.
June 15, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST
series, ever. It would need more fantastical elements to claim that title. Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser or Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber are superior works of epic fantasy.
June 15, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST
So, dingbatty... the more fantasy elements a story has, the more legitimate the story is? I think you'd agree, that sounds pretty myopic.<p> Which means that in addition to his fantasy kingdoms, dragons, veiled magic, and Others, Martin should've added what -- elves, trolls, angry Gods, maybe some fairies to make it more legitimate "fantasy" in your eyes?<p> "Hardly the greatest fantasy," my ass. It's absolutely legitimate as classic fantasy. You just haven't realized it yet.
June 15, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST
So I'd agree that it's definitely one of the greatest, although I'd argue that the Tolkien books are still the greatest. Tolkien is kind of like the Beatles of fantasy authors. Almost impossible for me to not put him at number one, no matter how talented another author might be.
June 15, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST
Thanks for the reading tips!
June 15, 2010, 4:05 a.m. CST
Fuck yeah. It is legitimate classic (and classy!)fantasy.
June 15, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST
There are going to be spiolers in these threads, I even mentioned above that you should absolutely stop reading if you dont want to have the books ruined for you. Shit, I knew the boot order of this most recent Survivor within the time 3 episodes had aired, due to some douchebag on EW.com that had the boot order and posted it. And that was for a show that hadnt even aired yet. Books that have been out for 10 years, theres no chance your going to avoid it. I'm not saying its right, but theres no fighting it, I weould strongly recommend avoiding all threads. Having said that, once the show actually starts, I personally will cease all spoiler discussion in any threads.
June 15, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST
Actually, I would argue GOT is NOT classic fantasy, which is what makes it so awesome. The "things I do for love" window scene in book 1 was what first showed me, "Wow this isnt like ANYTHING I have ever read". Keeping in mind, not a single main heroic character in LOTR dies, or even gets a scratch on them to my knowledge.
June 15, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
Just kidding. I don't care. Big memorable G.O.T. moment for me? (((((((((((SPOILER))))))))))))))) Whiny douche dies by molten gold poured on head. Brutal . . .
June 15, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST
Arya and the Hound at the crossroads inn. "Is there gold in the village?, Is there gold in the village?, Is there gold in the village?, IS THERE GOLD IN THE VILLAGE?!..." As she continuously stabs "the tickler". Wonder if that's how she'll deal with the rest of her list.
June 15, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST
Seriously if you are still reading did I really need to put a spoiler tag on it? Anyway, here we go: Ned's fate, Brann's fall, the reveal who the father of Cecil's first child is, the Red Wedding, who the leader of the outlaws is and probably any of the times where the children are put in real danger or die. There are a lot of good twists and turns in this series. Yet, I get the feeling after season one, the audience will get pissed and move on.
June 15, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST
Wasn't the first one where the witch wen tin the fire and came out with dragon eggs hatching or something?
June 15, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST
You read the whole book and couldn't get into it? That's a lot of patience man. There have been several books I've tried to finish and just didn't. Because if you can't get into it, why invest the time?
June 15, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
There's a teaser up for East Bound & Down season 2. Doesn't really show you anything but we finally learn that its officially coming.
June 15, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST
Tough crap with the spoilers. The series begun over a decade ago. Millions of people have read it. Fans talk about it all the time. If you don't want to see a spoiler do not read any threads about the show. Start reading the books. You can finish them before the show begins and start waiting forever on Book 5 like the rest of us morons.
June 15, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST
by The Goat
The series is, by definition, fantasy since the story takes place in a non-existent universe created by the author. A few years ago, Robert Jordan (RIP) was asked why he chose to write fantasy. He replied that it is the only genre where you can create truly believable "black and white/good and evil" characters. In reality, everyone is shades of grey. Its a great fuckin point, but the reason Martin's the best is because he does the opposite, writes fantasy with characters that are all shades of grey. Everyone hates Cersei, and she certainly is vicious, but can you really blame her after how she's been shit on during her life? I certainly expect Arya to be just as vicious after what she's been through, and she's my second favorite character, after Tyrion. Everyone's favorite kinslaying halfman. Martin's incredible at creating actual human characters and sticking them into a fantastic story.
June 15, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST
And dont forget, Martin also pulled off the most amazing, "I cant believe I'm actually believing this, but I am" face turn in fantasy literature with Jaime Lannister. If you had asked me after book 1, I NEVER would have believed, ever, that I could want to see Jaime do anything but die. Of course, thats what makes the Brienne bear pit scene such an awesome, get-up-and-cheer payoff.
June 15, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST
So many but some that I love include Dany liberating the slaves; the Red Wedding (I had to read it three times to make sure I was reading it right); Dany walking through the house of the undying (after knowing what happens at the Red Wedding); the death of the beggar king; Cersei's imprisonment; Brienne fighting the 3 bandits; Theon realizing who the woman he is flirting with really is; the scene with Bran and Hodor in the castle up near the wall; Pod killing a white cloak; poor Renly; Melisandre's "kids;" etc. Too many to count. The obvious ones are the last page of Dany in GOT; the things I do for love; Joffrey's wedding; HALFMAN! HALFMAN!; poor Ned; Lysa Tully taking a trip out of the moon door; etc.
June 15, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST
My fave has always been Strong Belwas fighting the champion of Mereen. Strong Belwas vs Gregorstein has to happen. Please GRRM make it so
June 15, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST
I'd have to agree about Chronicles of Amber (the first Chronicles anyway [books 1 - 5]). Finest fantasy novels, perhaps ever. Yes, it's from a different time. I'd say Martin would tell you that (as writing goes) he is not qualified to carry Zelazny's jock. They were friends and colleagues (on Wild Cards). <p> My personal opinion is that GoT is a great read. It IS different, and cold like Roger Zelazny's work. The series has declined has declined in reading value. I found book 4 a major disappointment. I so tired of waiting for book 5, I traded my previous volumes in. I thought gooseud's comment above about a star trek full of redshirts was particularly apt for book 4. <p> The great thing about GoT is that it felt like a complete story, where books 2 - 4 felt increasingly like Back to the Future 2. If HBO only films the story of GoT, and never films beyond the story of the first book, they will have done something cool. <p> GRRM can take as much time as he wants with Book5 (and hopefully outlines all of 6 so he can crank it out). I'm glad he occasionally tosses out the good Westeros short-story (the Dunk & Egg stories) in the Warriors volumes.
June 15, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
by The Goat
The Tickler backed away. Arya could smell his fear. The shortsword in his hand suddenly seemed almost a toy against the long blade the Hound was holding, and he wasn't armored either. He moved swiftly, light on his feet, never taking his eyes off Sandor Clegane. It was the easiest thing in the world for Arya to step up behind him and stab him.
June 15, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST
by The Goat
"Is there gold hidden in the village?" she shouted as she shove the blade up through his back. "Is there silver? Gems?" She stabbed twice more. "Is there food? Where is Lord Beric?" She was on top of him by then, still stabbing. "Where did he go? How many men were with him? How many knights? How many bowmen? How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many? Is there GOLD in the village?"
June 15, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST
by The Goat
Her hands were red and sticky when Sandor dragged her off him. "Enough," was all he said. He was bleeding like a butchered pig himself, and dragging one leg when he walked. "There's one more," Arya reminded him.
June 15, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST
Forgot about that. I love that scene. So not what I thought he was going to do when he won. LMAO!! Still not sure what we can expect with Cersei's possible "champion."
June 15, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
by The Goat
Fuckin your shit up, without fail, in 2011. h**p://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Maisie2.jpg h**p://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Maisie3.jpg
June 15, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST
I hope what Belwas does when he wins makes it into the tv series.<p>I fully expect him to be Cersei's champion, the skull sent to Dorne has to be a fake (i hope). He will fight Loras and then later get his face 'dirtied' by Belwas
June 15, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST
I was thinking the head was a fake too but remember that Qyburn was doing many experiments down there with a lot of women. Who knows whose head he might use. Last we heard, Ser Loras is on death's door from attacking Storms End. he was bloodies in battle and doused with boiling oil as well. It's going to be interesting since both Margery and Cersei have to pick white cloak champions, don't they? Still, Qyburn gived me the creeps. What he did to the blue bard...sheesh.
June 15, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
Certainly there are fantastic moments in the first 2 books. I'm overjoyed to know that without a doubt we'll at least get to see the first book on HBO next year. But to see Storm of Swords (book #3) televised... THAT is my dream. That book has more mind blowing fantastic moments then the rest combined. The Oberyn/Gregor duel is probably my favorite part if forced to pick one.
June 15, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST
I do believe as well that both marg and cersei have to choose a white cloak<p>Im working on the theory that Loras isnt really injured and its all a ruse, but i think its more wishful thinking from me. Mayhaps we will get to see Meryn Trant vs Boros Blount to see who is the worst knight in the Kingsguard. Might actually be a good fight<p>Qyburn is a good character and i see him sneaking around, switching loyalties and surviving the series. Is it ever stated where hes from? coz ive always thought he could be a Bolton
June 15, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST
I've heard friends talk about how great this series of novels are, so I looked up the wiki just to get a sense of the plot, stopped in my tracks when I saw the gobbledygook names out of a 13 year old's DnD character log (and/or morbidly obese middle aged virgin's DnD character log).
June 15, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Please don't stick up your nose at it because of the names. Truly, these are some of the finest books ever written. And this coming from a guy that has a degree in English literature and loves to read.<p> Just promise me you'll start with the beginning and really stick with it. It all pays off big!
June 15, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST
by The Goat
This is why you are so inept at life that you spend such a great deal of your time on these boards. You realize you just admitted to relying on wikipedia, rather than actually picking up a book, in order to learn about the very book you failed to pick up. I sincerely hope that if you ever have children, they are born with full blown AIDS.
June 15, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST
Hey, Martin is NOT a virgin, thank you very much!!
June 15, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST
Thats LOTR type shit right there, fake deaths and all that type deal. Martin beat that type of thinking out of me about halfway through book 2: if they are dead, they are dead. The knight of flowers is a mess,what happened with Gregor happened, and unfortunately, what happened with the Hound, happened. Of course, there is one notable exception to this rule....2, actually...but I'm not sure if you would call them actually ALIVE.
June 15, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST
So clever of you, using my own self-effacing screen name as an insult.<p>Anyhow, I clearly wrote "epic" fantasy. See Moorcock's "Wizardry and Wild Romance" for the definition of what he calls "epic fantasy" (Leiber named it "sword-and-sorcery").
June 15, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST
exageration to call them the greatest so prematurely; there are several series/authors that should be given such a lofty title before Martin (not that things SHOULD be rated in a hierarchy, mind you). Nothing personal against him or his enthusiastic readers. Martin himself claimed that he was inspired by Tad Williams' "Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn" (a finely written, well-crafted Tolkien-esque tale, and the precursor and better of the shelf-busters of the 90s) to conceive GOT. And Tad Williams would immediately tell you he is inspired by Zelazny, Leiber, Moorcock, and others.
June 15, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST
All flames aside, anyone reading the wiki synopsis for ASOIAF is doing themselves a HUGE disservice, so much of what's great about the books is NOT knowing exactly what will happen beforehand and being surprised. Which, I understand, is kind of the antithesis to AICN, where everyone just wants to read the cliff notes/leaked synopsis in order to justify the reasons why they don't want to read/watch something in it's entirety. But you might as well dismiss all Tolkien as crap because there are characters named Bilbo and Treebeard. I guess trolls gotta troll.
June 15, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST
Lets go Celtics!
June 15, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST
All I tihnk we know about Qyburn is that he used to be a maester but they took his chain away due to his "experiments" and such. I almost want to say he was from Oldtown but I am not 100% sure. I also think he has a relation with that maester at the end of the 4th book who has the obsidian candle and who picks up everything and leaves once he finds out about the dragons. Maesters are not supposed ot believe in magic and the supernatural. Just logic and science. And Gooseud...did you not see the Hound (the real one) in Feast for Crows? A certain cloaked figure who flung a shovel of dirt in Brienne's face? Yes, the Hound is dead according to that priest who found him injured, but Sandor is alive. Even his horse can be found in Feast for Crows. For all those who say her chapters are boring and meaningless do not realize the information they contain.
June 15, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST
HBO will be bending over the critics and fucking them all in the dirtpipe.
June 15, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
That said, I'm a C's fan too so I can't give you too much sh*t for it.
June 15, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST
It might just be the worst show I've ever seen given a second season on HBO. I know, it's funny because it's depiction of white trash is (sadly) so true. I guess the difference is instead of laughing at that fact, it infuriates me as it reminds me why this country's in the gutter and why it probably will never get out of it. I'd put Flight of the Concords in my top ten as well. Bad writing, bad acting, and bad songs do not make for brilliant comedy. How Lucky Louie only received one season, and Concords received two is a crime against humanity.
June 15, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
I'd have to list "the dragon" finally obtaining his crown (a boiling hot pan of melted gold) as the most satisfying moment in the book. God that guy as annoying as hell!
June 15, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST
and I've known people like a couple of the characters growing up in Eastern North Carolina. I'm sorry that it infuriates you. It infuriates me when people generalize that "dumb rednecks" or "white trash" are the reason "why the country's in the gutter". Please. I hope you aren't actually that narrow-minded. Maybe you should leave this site and move along to commiserate with your buddies over at the Huffington Post or Daily Kos.
June 15, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Bilbo: Qyburn tells Cersei that he was kicked out of the Citadel for his "experiments." Whether that's actually true, or not, remains to be seen. Red: If you hate Viserys, then you should love this guy, he looks like he can play quite the shitbag. h**p://anthropomorphic.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/harry-lloyd.jpg Regarding Eastbound, it definitely helps to be as drunk and baked as possible, I could never watch it sober.
June 15, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST
Jaime smiled. ‘You are a perverse little imp, aren’t you?’ ‘Oh yes,’ Tyrion admitted. ‘I hope the boy does wake. I would be most interested to hear what he might have to say.’ His brother’s smile curdled like sour milk. ’Tyrion my sweet brother,’ he said darkly, ’ there are times when you give me cause to wonder whose side you are on.’ Tyrion’s mouth was full of bread and fish. He took a swallow of black beer to wash it all down, and grinned up wolfishly at Jaime. ’Why Jaime, my sweet brother,’ he said ‘you wound me. You know how much I love my family.’
June 15, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST
by The Goat
They should just renew the series for seven seasons right now (I actually have faith in George finishing the books), and give the Emmy to Dinklage for the next seven years (assuming Tyrion lives that long)!
June 15, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST
Remember? Your mom paid me to fuck her? I was drunk, so I said, okay. Shit, she never told you that? I'm sorry man, uh, I mean, son.
June 15, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST
As I said, alot of my friends recommended it as a good read. I think I'm just WAY over the whole LOTR / DnD thing. I mean, I liked that kinda Rennaisance Faire nonsense when I was, like, 10, but now it just reeks of Obese Virgin. I realize this may be unfair, but I have more interesting things to read; still making my way through this AGAINST THE DAY novel by Pynchon. It's somethin' else! <br><br>Oh, and btw, since when is looking at wikipedia for a quick overview of plot a bad thing? I'm not writing a thesis on it, I just wanted a quick synopsis to give me a faint idea of the plot to see if it was something that would interest me. Doesn't seem to be. But again, as I said, not so much into the Medieval Fetish thing.
June 15, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST
by The Goat
According to wiki.
June 15, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST
June 15, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST
I've never been into the D&D/fantasy BS...I like more bleak shit like Mccarthy and history/nonfiction. My buddy at work recommended GOT. I bought it and it took me over a year to actually read it...i thought that it was going to be some dorky ass nonsense...but the shit surprised me and sucked me in right off the bat. It is without a doubt a fantasy novel for people who don't like fantasy. I'm shocked at my own descent into the depths of dorkiness to even be writing and posting and discussing quotes from the book on this talkback. They are that good bro!!!
June 15, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST
that would kick so much ass.
June 15, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST
I'd give it till you read the line "the things I do for love..." (and shortly after that)about 80 some old pages. If you're not curious enough to read on then it's not for you.
that some odd not old.
June 15, 2010, 9 p.m. CST
I just passed the book off to a friend of mine yesterday, and told him this exact quote: "Your going to come to a scene about 80 pages in, with the quote "The things I do for love", if you dont love the book after that, I cant help ya".
June 15, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST
and by getting it right, I mean I hope they show the good stuff ... like brothers and sisters fucking and 14 year old chicks getting chowed out by their handmaids.
June 15, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Elementary school girls, do not get into Itchy's van!
June 16, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST
Rhaegar fought honorably; and Rhaegar died.
June 16, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST
They might imply that stuff, but I think most of us would agree that that's better left for the books. And did I mention that you're one sick bastard?
June 17, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST
Time to get some real reading done. Bendis and Millar only half-count; I'll respect you more in the morning if you name-drop John Byrne anyway. Here's your homework: go read a Driz'zt book, or ... freakin' ... Dragonlance, or the Belgariad, or some crap like that. Then go read A Game of Thrones before HBO's series comes with the lobstered steel gauntlet to part you from your molars in 2011 ... and then tell me if you can ever go back to any of that other unrealistic, shiny, happy, magicky, elf-filled crap ever again.
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June 17, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
Funny. I actually grew up reading and loving the DnD-based books. Drizzt was a god to me. 18 months ago, I picked up GOT from a friend's strong recommendation. It makes those Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms books look like complete crap. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Icewind Dale Trilogy and the Dark Elf Trilogy. Both are actually still very good. But everything after those was/is just trash. I even stopped reading comics after GOT and the rest of the books in ASOIAF. Made me realize what I was missing. I need to find more books like that until Dance comes out. Any suggestions?
June 17, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
I'm a pretty big George R. R. Martin fan, the other stuff you mentioned are honestly stuff I probably would have loved when I was a little kid, if I hadn't been so absorbed with Asimov, Herbert, King, and Tolkien. Those pretty much took up all of my earlier reading (fantasy wise that is) when I was a kid.
June 18, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST
Apparently, the shooting for the Game of Thrones series was in such need of hairy extras in Norther Ireland where much of the filming is being done that they resorted to recruiting via local Heavy Metal messageboards. Do not be surprised if an extra looks like Lemmy. I'm now in a quandry whether to read the books or wait for the series over here spoiler-free. Ironically, I'm in the same boat with Legend Of the Seeker, looks like it ends at series 2 but I'm not taking the risk yet. Say what you like about that series, but the finale was one of the most enjoyable twisty-turny couple of hours of TV I've watched for some time :)
June 19, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
Try Joe Abercrombie's First Law, Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen or R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing and Aspect-Emperor series.
June 29, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST