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Deadline Hollywood reports that AMC will announce Monday that "Breaking Bad" has been renewed for a fourth season.
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I am – Hercules!!
Last Sunday’s episode was superb television, some of the best of the year. I’m VERY much looking forward to tonight’s season finale.
A shout-out, before we go further, to Jonathan Banks, who menaced Axel Foley and shepherded Vinnie Terranova before he both menaced and shepherded last week on “Breaking Bad.” His work as Mike the ex-cop shines for me like nothing else in this third season, and his storytelling session with Walt last week was one spectacular, galvanizing piece of work.
Last week Windy smiled at everybody she met, Flinn worked the pedals, Skyler argued over dinners, Mike extolled the advantages of a full measure, Gus arranged a sit-down, Hank gave Marie a minute, Fatboy Mohawk was avenged, and Jesse was advised to run.
Tonight:
3.13 “Full Measure”
With Jesse on the run, Walt negotiates a bargain with Gus to provide for his and Jesse's safety.
“Breaking Bad”: 10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
“Rubicon”: 11 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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Last week's episode was one of the best I've seen so far. It easily could have been the season finale. Can't wait for Full Measure. Got a feeling someone's gonna die.
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now bring on season 4 i wonder whos gonna die tonight
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I said in the last BB thread howm ncie it was to see him not playing a 'villain' as such.I hope they retain him for series 4 if he's not killed off tonight. Oh and never mind of the year, that moment in last week's ep was some of the best television of all time. When you are dumbstruck for an good hour after watching a TV show then you know that it's really something special. I hadn't been moved like that since Silvio offed Adriana in The Sopranos.
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i do wonder how the dealers didn't hear Walt's Aztec until about 1 second before, but i guess they were focused on Jesse's gun. Who cares? It was a great scene in an episode full of them.
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Some people are saying this is a double-length ep, some are saying it's just standard. Who do I believe?
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I heard that the finale was only about ten minutes longer than your usual episode.
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Someone pls explain why? No way it can be cancelled right?
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I'm pretty sure they are just waiting till after tonight's ep. As it stands, we don't even know if there is any opening for a 4th season. There might be no one left.<P><P>Obviously, this is pretty unlikely, but you get my drift. Leaves room for surprise.
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June 13, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST
Anyone got anything concrete regarding Prisoner Zero's question?
by MadFuckingMax
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Definitely. No way AMC lets this series go. Season 3 has been a little uneven, but it started well, and ended well. Los Gemelos de Muerte have not died in vain!
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i'm gonna miss my sunday night 10 pm tradition of watching this with my buddies getting baked and being in awe of what the fuck comes next.this has been another phenominal season in this series. sunset,fly,and Caballo Sin Nombre have become some of favorite episodes of the entire series.i still can't help but lol when i think of a pepper sprayed cranston shoved in the back of the cop car.i read an interveiw with cranston where he said the show would resume shooting in january and be ready by the summer i for one hope this isn't true.i'd hate to have to wait another year to get my next fix.thankfuly true blood is coming back but it hardly compares to the quality of Breaking Bad.as for where theshow is headed i have no clue i still wonder wtf happened to tio?and how long before the cartel resurfaces looking for blood?
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is the reason breaking bad is listed as almost 2 hours is because they're gonna do a sneak peek/introduction into rubicon
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Yeah, just noticed this. . . In my DVR, the ep is showing from 7:00p - 8:47p. (Very specific) However, no episode of 'Rubicon' is on the menu for tomorrow. . . What gives?
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On my DVR it shows Breaking Bad as being at least 1 hours and 45 minutes and then right after the show ends a repeat of BB is on next. I see no sign/mention of Rubicon on my schedule.
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Have read the talkback before posting the same question 5 other peeps asked..sorry.
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But hey guys does anyone else show BB as 1 hr 45 minutes? Is there a rubicon? Feature length ep? WHat gives internet............
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Rubicon is the rest.<br><br>Gilligan and crew all speak of a S4 in the podcasts, so it's probably just waiting for the deal to get done.<br><br>Tidbits from the 312 edition--the final scene where the bulletheads are run over and host was done with CG. When they were shooting the Windy music video, some dude actually thought that she was really a hooker, completely oblivious to the crew and cameras capturing the scene.
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It's the normal one hour episode of BB, but they are scheduling it to look like BB is two hours because they are showing the pilot of Rubicon, AMCs new conspiracy show at 11. They are basically tricking people into not turning off their TVs at 11 to stay up and check out Rubicon. They probably figure enough people will think BB is extended, see the first five minutes of Rubicon before they realize BB is over, but be already interested in it enough to keep watching. Also, it forces people like me, who DVR BB to automatically DVR the pilot of Rubicon, thus basically ensuring that I will watch it at slme point. It's actually a deviant loan, but BB is NOT two hours tonight. It's a trick.
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Why they had a 1:45 BReaking BAd followed by a 68 minute repeat and then a 65 minute repeat. I guessed it was because the preview showing had more commercials. So it turns out to be a long commercial for Ruby Con? Could I have the Suzanne Somer's Thighmaster infomercial instead? <br /> Just kidding - Rubicon sounds interesting and AMC has a pretty good track record... not counting Prisoner, which seemed pretty unwatchable.
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After I saw Walt cap that guy last week I got to wondering about the previous big gunshot scene, when Hank loaded the Magic Bullet in time to blow the Muerte Cousin's head apart.<br /> <br /> Of course the gun salesmen already gave us the mental image: the talon bullet opens like six claws and can turn yo mama's brain to cole slaw. The power of the imagination - whtih Radio drama was based on for decades. <br /> <br /> I was wondering how they could have done that shot as a practical effect. I mean, you can't go blowing off explosive squibs ont he back of shoeones skull - not good for the scalp or the brain. maybe if they shaved his head, geve him a padded rawhide skullcap, then the rig and the blood (bone and brain matter) pack and a break-away wig over the top. but they still needed to get it done exactly right so the chunk of skull hit the camera lens of the clear plate in front of it and obscured enough of the blown head so it was gory and grisly without being too explicitly disturbing. <br /> Doing it in the computer would make a lot more sense and be a lot easier. <br /> <br /> When Walt shot that child-murdering meth dealing fellow in the head, we saw it from a distance and a splash of red was all we need to see. <br /> <br /> And I guess there have been enough computer kids designing enough first person shooters in the last twenty years or so that the special effects crews have pretty much got realistic gun shots and blood splatter down pat.
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Herc has had the capsule Tv listings synopsis for each episode up for the whole season all along. But I just now noticed:<br /> <br /> Last week ends with Walt snarling "Run" at Jesse...<br /> <br /> And tonight's episode begins with the description "Jesse's on the run..."<br /> <br /> About time he started listening to good advice.
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man this is what intense television should be
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ends on a cliffhanger? I don't see them going for a shock twist. Not their style. I think tonight HAS to be a cliffhanger. I'll enjoy a good year's wait for another dose of this salty goodness.
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Kind of...<P><P>I'm going to take odds on Jessie and Gus dying, with Jessie being the favourite.
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<p>and just finished with the latest episode last night. Oh my cow-tipping jesus fucking christ, this is a SHOW! I want all my friends to see this, I want to everyone to see this masterpiece. Easily this raises Vince Gilligan to the elite of TV minds after his vital contribution to the X-Files. Congrats to everyone who works on this amazing piece of television. Roll on the aftermath of "Run."
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Like, Holy Fuck.
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Oh Jesse, paint you pictures, bout how its gonna be. By now I should know better, your dreams are never free.
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I can't see them killing him off just yet. I assume they want this series to go for 6 or 7 years. No way do they kill one of the main 2 guys so early IMO. Then again, with this show you can never be sure about anything.
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What a heinous trick they're pulling, fuck that Rickroll shit they're putting on after, hope it fails spectacularly.
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an ordinary person couldn't/wouldn't do what he did last week. Especially not for Jesse who is in my opinion, just a two-legged cockroach. Why does he feel compelled to save Jesse? Don't get it. What am I missing?
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why wouldn't he, if anything walt is the most responsible for where jesse has wound up, plus those were drug dealers who killed a kid, and walt was also kinda responsible for that, plus oh i don't know if your looking for ordinary people and their lives i guess you must know a lot of cookers right? moron
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I think he did it because Jesse was right and he never listened.
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I guess it's ironic that when Walt tries to make a moral decision to save Jesse or to save the kid dealer, things turn out even worse, and even more people die than might have otherwise. (Hence the title "Breaking Bad".) Makes one think that being coldly ruthless like Gus might actually spare more lives that the emotional and moralizing Walt.
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well for that watch the clip, that is why walt created heinsenberg, to be that guy who can be cold and ruthless, walt hides behind the fact that he is doing (and did) what he felt he needed to do to help his family, and he felt the consequense would be minimal, but also remember walt does have a long history of protecting Jesse (his encounter w/tuco), plus those dealers were destined to die, it will be intresting to see how much Gus still wants walt around
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It's all from the story the cleaner guy told him, also the name's of the episodes. The guy (Mike, I think his name is?) told Walt to never take a half measure when you need to take a full one. Walt going to Gus and telling him about Jesse wanting to kill the guys who killed Combo was a half measure. It didn't get the job done. When those guys killed the kid, it pushed Walt over the edge, and he decided the full measure MUST be taken, and he took it himself. Got goosebumps writing and thinking about this. GOD I can't wait until 10pm.
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June 13, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST
Jesse isn't in it for the money like Walt
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
"What's the point of being an outlaw when you got responsibilities," Jesse said, complaining about there new cooking contract being like a real job. Jesse was also willing to get killed in a gun battle simply because he can't work with people who use and kill kids. Unlike Walt, who simply wants money, Jesse is a man of principle. Walt came through for him in the end, but chances are if Jesse wasn't in any trouble Walt would have no problem working with child murderers.
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June 13, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
I CHALLENGE THE AICN WRITERS TO TALKBACK MORE OFTEN
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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that is exactly how i feel about jesse, there is a lot more depth to that character than people suspect pinkman for best supporting actor yo
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Nuff said.
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"Well ya know, for me the action is the juice." Anyone?
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Last week's show represents yet another line that Walt has crossed. Whether or not it was justified, it was still cold-blooded murder. As far as who dies... I think Mike is almost a certainty, but I find it hard to believe Gus will die. In fact, I think Walt will structure a deal with Gus; he will become Gus's right-hand man in exchange for Jesse's life. This will fix Walt firmly in Gus's organization for a possible takeover in the future.
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heat
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Ten points to Footlights.
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Should have been Lost but ended up being Breaking Bad.
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That show no longer has any meaning to me.
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Herc?
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C'mon... WAY to much foreshadowing in regards to him taking the driver's test. He want's to take it in Walt's car. Mike tell Walt to get is car fixed. <br> <br> I smell a car bombing... but they get the wrong Walt. THAT would be fucking jaw-dropping IMO.
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June 13, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST
Especially since poor "Flinn" is the only innocent character in
by JaimeFoxx
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Walt Sr will get the car fixed then guess what you've guess Jaime and rush to stop it, only to find out someone else has been killed. I think Walt Jr has to become corrupted in a way like Skylar has become in Walt Sr's business. Walt's decision to become a meth maker is a symbolic cancer that has metasticized in him in Season 2 and 3 and it has spread into Skylar's life and Hank's life too. It's only a matter of time before it infects Walt Jr - and I'm thinking he somehow ends up trying out his father's product.
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He's as important to the show as Walter is, like him or not.
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Yeah , I think if Walt found some of the blue product in Walt jrs. room that would be a devestating blow to him..I don't think they will ice walt jr. this soon as a season ender, but it may come into play in season four. The only real innocent is Walts daughter and at this present time Walt jr. but I think that will change. Mike on the other hand will probably bite the dust protecting Walt from Gus's wrath. If Gus goes down by the hands of the Cartel for his play I don't hold out much hope for any cast member as all those involved will be offed for good measure..
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June 13, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST
I don't see Junior dying
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
It seems like Walt and Skylar are semi-reconciling and are going to be a couple of kingpins, I don't see that happening if anything happened to jr., besides I think Walt would go beserk and wouldn't really have a whole lot of reason to keep living. This isn't really like some shows, that just kill off people every finale or so because, well it's the finale and let's do something "shocking" or whatever.
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It just doesn't work plot-wise. Walt Jr. is the very reason Walt Sr. "broke bad" in the first place.
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all about revenge. The show could conceivably go in that direction. The first step would probably be confessing all to Hank and going from there.
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Yeah,that I'm sure would be his primary motivation. Then guilt, followed by remorse.. I just don't see this excellent series having any kind of happy ending for Walt and family..but on the other hand I could see things becoming better for jesse and his two buddies once they realize how bad they have fucked up the lives of all they have touched when dealing there product..Kind of a reversal of fortune for all involved with aspects of greed , misfortune, redemption, birth and death all thrown at the characters and viewers alike..just hands down the best show on T.V. ...I think more people would tune in if it wasn't for the subject matter which has been discussed to death in the press..But if people can't handle the content it their loss..
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It's evolved so much from the few eps I saw from season 1
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for Gus and his family either. And that's actually an excellent suggestion mr. dark. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing everything end that way, either.
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OR some sort of crazy spectacle,like season 1 and 2.I heard this one ends with Walt,Walt Jr,Hank,Skylar,etc. all detonate a hydrogen bomb(naturally), and attempt to create an alternate universe.Should be good.
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creating a rift in the 4th dimension and slowing the rotation of the Earth by .0...000...0...6 mph. <br> <br> Disrupting the natural chemical equilibrium in the human BRAIN. Causing very irrational, criminal behavior.
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June 13, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST
Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Lets go Celtics!
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just reported the BB Season 4 renewal on Twitter.
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Thank you for the "BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD ALL DAY"...that tells you also it was a great day..Thanks it will make the sting of no new episodes till next season seem easier.
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but if it does..what do I win ? A pound of Heisenberg.. A night with Skyler.. or a quick header from Wendy...which is it?
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On the renewal. Now, give Vince Gilligan the 5th Season and let him complete the story arc the way he originally envisioned it.
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Thank you. I just spent 5 solid hours configuring a wireless network before finally getting it to work. (it was a bad cable!!!!) And that just made the whole day worth it. Thank you. Thank you a thousand times. And thank you AMC for taking a chance on quality being timeless. (and selling until the end of time most likely)
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...if that happens, it might go the way of Supernatural..grrrrr.
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.....just a theory.
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June 13, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST
That was best silencer sound effect out of any tv/movie
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Also I thought vince gilligan said this was just supposed to be a 3-4 season show originally whats this talk about five seasons
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never under estimate mr. white
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June 13, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST
Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World...
by Acid_Frio
bullseye on the silencer!!!
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... with Breaking Bad, Mad Men, (the upcoming) Walking Dead and (hopefully) Rubicon... I'd say just stay home on the weekends and tune in to AMC.
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OMG!!!!!!!! a cliffhanger.......?
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Talk about a season finale that doesn't resolve anything, yet did not leave me unhappy at all.
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June 13, 2010, 10 p.m. CST
That seemed like a really short episode
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
I don't know if it's cause the ending came out of nowhere or what. The rest of this season I had downloaded and watched in one go though. Defintely wasn't expecting it to end there though, weird. Too bad for Jesse though, Walt really has turned everything he's come across to shit. Walt was a real fucking badass after he hung up that phone though, at least there was that
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He had no problem with the kid being used to murder and sell drugs, he sure as shit doesn't care about the fact that the kid is dead. And even if he did care, he's rational enough that he realizes that killing the drug dealers wouldn't accomplish anything. Yes, he did what he did because of Jesse. All the shit that Walt and Jesse have been through, Jesse is practically family.
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Such an awesome character.
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June 13, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST
Jesse had to of killed the guy
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Because otherwise Walt is dead. Also, it puts Walt and Jesse in the same place, they are both murderers. In my book I'd say they weren't murderers when Walt killed the one drug dealer guy who was going to kill him with a dinner plate and when Jesse was going to kill those child murderers, cause that isn't murder, that's killing a guy. But when Walt killed Jesse's girlfriend and Jesse killing Gale, then yeah, I'd say that's murder. I imagine we're going to see Jesse handle it a lot differently than Walt too.
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Even though it appeared that jesse moved the gun slightly I think he is history. but Jesse has a concience and he sees that assistant could have been him. Who knows we'll see next season but I think it's great that Mike the cleaner is still around and that Walt and Jesse know where they stand in all this so the playing field is level..Walt showed Mike that he himself is a pretty damn good assassin too. Respect...Kudos great season can't wait for more...
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I think it was just the camera moving and shifting focus. We may never know for sure.
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Vince Gilligan has said he planned a story arc of 40-50 episodes. In theory, 4 seasons would fulfill this requirement (46 shows). But don't syndication rights kick in after 5 seasons? Being that close to syndication money would be hard to pass up.
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Manatee I hear you about syndication, but I don't know if shows like this are that profitable for syndication to be worth it. I remember when The Shield went into sydication it was pretty heavily edited and sporadic viewing, same thing with 24. I wonder if someone like Gilligan who's woven such a tight narrative would prolong it just to get some potential but unlikely syndication dollars. <br> Can anyone remember the last hour long cable show to make it into syndication with any big viewer response?
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He has ethics and loyalty to walt and jesse, and he has the balls to lie to Mike, the biggest shockers of the BB finale. Rubicon's not doing it for me. BB and MM had me on the first few seconds, walt and the RV, and Mad Men with that opening slate. Sheer originality. Rubicon starts with a suicide scene that's been done in so many movies. And the lead actor is stiff as a board.
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Only one I can think of is X files but that would only qualify as recently..
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June 13, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST
Only on AICN one can find people not liking this episode.
by billypilgrimisunstuck
Waiting for more.
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The guide on my cable listed this ep as being from 10:00-11:50...<p>I had no idea the last 50 was fuckin Rubicon... WTF!!!<p>Still great ending. I cheered when Jesse pulled the trigger...
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It seems like now shows go into syndication whenever they want...
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He had to have...otherwise, He AND Walt would have been dead men. Also you could see it in Jesse's eyes when Gale opened the door that he was going to pull the trigger on him for sure, season 4 should be absolutely outrageous. BTW, love the attention to detail in every scene of this show...like when Walt slammed into the drug dealers last week...in slow-mo you could see the dude's leg literally breaking as he is thrust off the windshield...and then his do-rag gently floats to the ground infront of the carnage. And it happens so fast that im not sure if anybody could possibly catch it in 1 or 2 viewings. Don't know if it was CGI or whatever, but that kind of detail is far beyond anything i've seen on television, or theatrical releases for that matter.
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Next season will be off to a roaring start!
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Let's just hope they've got a lot more in the tank than an intriguing pilot!
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My thoughts exactly. Jesse moved the gun slightly just before he shot...and fired a warning shot "across the bow", in order to show Gale he was serious. I think he kidnapped him as well. <p> But they better get the hell out of their, because Gus' henchman is on his way.
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...shit, they just ran a promo for video at the website where Aaron Paul "talks about Jesse killing Gale."
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that was great!
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And Walt makes some kind of deal with Mike. <p> But who knows--that's why this show is so good: it's unpredictable.
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Confirmed by Vince Gilligan in interviews on HitFix and Hollywood Reporter
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Great ending. Although I wonder if anyone else's television guide gave them the impression that this was one hour and fourty five minutes? For some reason the bloody Rubicon preview was looped into a larger time slot for Breaking Bad. I loved the finale, but I was half expecting another 3/4 of an hour rather than a gun shot. Oh well, it's certainly not the fault of AMC but shitty Rogers cable. Terrible. But all the same, there's a lot to think about before next March and I, as usual, have no idea where this is all is going.
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for syndication, it's standard to have at least 100 shows. That's why there's always a cast party for the 100th episode, everyone is drinking to residuals!
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Heatmiser wants his hairstyle back
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for that bullshit Rubicon add on. Those faggots misled everyone into thinking that BrBa was gonna be over an hr long. Just for that, I'm not gonna watch Rubicon. AMC can go fuck themselves.
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but, eh, BB was so great that all is forgiven, AMC.<P> It would have been pretty awesome if BB had been a longer episode, though.
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I did not expect a teaser with a flashback to the earliest point of the series, showing that Walt was a risk taker who wanted to buy a house above his pricerange even before Junior was born. <br /> <br /> So when Walt said "Run" Jesse went straight to Saul and got set up in his money-laundering tax dodge laser-tag arcade as the COOLEST HIDEOUT EVER. If you have to go into hiding, make sure your hideout has a snack bar. Those cave-dwelling Al Queda terrorists could learn something from Jesse Pinkman.<br /> <br /> Poor Gale didn't realize he was being set up to replace Walt. When he learned it he was too scared to say no. "Uh, 2 o4 3 more sessions... maybe 1 or 2? Yeah, I think 1 more would be okay..." <br /> <br /> You know that "Mike's Hard lemonade"? I'm thinking of Mike the mechanic, the clean-up guy, Saul's PI, as "Hard Mike" now. Way to take out the power with foil balloons (You're never too old for balloons) and kill everyone in the place and take off a girls show and shoot a guy in the hand, Hard Mike. <br /> <br /> And threatened with a crippling beating, Saul Goodman had the brass ones to LIE to Hard Mike! (Thank you for pointing that out, Paulloch). <br /> <br /> Walt shows up for his meeting with Gustavo wearing his Heisenberg black hat. Mike indicated he should remove it and Walt shows him there's no gun in it and then PUTS IT BACK ON
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I did not expect a teaser with a flashback to the earliest point of the series, showing that Walt was a risk taker who wanted to buy a house above his pricerange even before Junior was born. <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> So when Walt said "Run" Jesse went straight to Saul and got set up in his money-laundering tax dodge laser-tag arcade as the COOLEST HIDEOUT EVER. If you have to go into hiding, make sure your hideout has a snack bar. Those cave-dwelling Al Queda terrorists could learn something from Jesse Pinkman.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> Poor Gale didn't realize he was being set up to replace Walt. When he learned it he was too scared to say no. "Uh, 2 o4 3 more sessions... maybe 1 or 2? Yeah, I think 1 more would be okay..." <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> You know that "Mike's Hard lemonade"? I'm thinking of Mike the mechanic, the clean-up guy, Saul's PI, as "Hard Mike" now. Way to take out the power with foil balloons (You're never too old for balloons) and kill everyone in the place and take off a girls show and shoot a guy in the hand, Hard Mike. <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> And threatened with a crippling beating, Saul Goodman had the brass ones to LIE to Hard Mike! (Thank you for pointing that out, Paulloch). <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> Walt shows up for his meeting with Gustavo wearing his Heisenberg black hat. Mike indicated he should remove it and Walt shows him there's no gun in it and then PUTS IT BACK ON
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At the end of the Hollywood Reporter interview, he leaves the door open as to whether or not Jesse really did kill Gale by making it sound rather iffy. He would be wise to simply leave this as a "maybe he did or maybe he didn't" to build up some extra suspense for next season. Besides, leaving Gale alive and having him join up with Jesse and Walt to form a meth-making trio while Gus is hunted down and eliminated by the cartel would be terrific next year!
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He had already had that lie written on the pad before Hard Mike showed up!<P> That's one slick dude.
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AMC. Wow. You amaze me. Breaking Bad is television as God intended.
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...as I was saying, Walt puts his hat back on. the thought that he would remove his hat when meeting his boss as a sign of respect never occurs to him because clearly there is no respect left. Same with his carefully worded reply that he'd never suggest that Gus ordered the boy killed, leaving the implication that he simply believes it hanging in the air. Gustavo is so used to his charm working on everyone that he's freaked out that his bullshit has stopped working on Walt.<br /> This is a great talk-back. Several great points made. Good that the killing of Gale is not left questionable. And great to hear that there is a renewal. Though the thought that this could have been the series finale: Walt turns Jesse into a killer - that would have been brutal.<br /> I have heard repeatedly that Gilligan wanted five seasons and I sure hope he gets them. <br /> I have no idea where this goes from here: Walt now knows Gus wants him dead, yet he's in a position of forcing him to accept him as a partner. that's a big gamble based on "he can't afford to shut down even for a week". How can Gus be moving whatever Jesse added it up to a few weeks ago, 23 million dollars worth a year, and play it so close that he can't afford a week of down time? What woud be the point of getting that rich if it's that hard? <br />
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others as an opening. Like the cartel, possibly. And as long as he keeps the market supplied with his blue stuff, nobody wants the mexican crapola
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Isn't AMC afraid of a backlash from Breaking Bad fans running those ads calling Mad Men "the best show on TV"? We're watching the best show on TV... bitch. <br /> Especially the one with that smug Hamm actor comparing his prickish character to Walter Heisenberg White and smirking about how Walt's story will 'end badly'. Show us your best actor Emmy... bitch.
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was to make sure Walt didnt have a knife (or a throwing star, ha!) hidden in there. Walt is a bald man w/ cancer, I don't think Hard Mike was intending for Walt to stand in the desrt sun with his dome blinding everyone. But that's just me.
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it's their smug commercials I don't like.
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FIrst MM ep I saw was the one where he was a dick to his brother. I didnt like it and it was a while before I watched it again. I'm glad I gave it another shot.
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All these inverviews and podcasts and TV ads talking about Aaron Paul's thoughts on killing Gale, etc....fuckers are leading us on.
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Up until airtime, all those guesses about what the episode would be about and what would happen: Jesse, Gus, Junior, the daughter, Saul etc. to die. <br /> NO ONE got it right. No one called Gus will rehire Gale, plan to have him replace Walt once he learns his method, will lie to Walt about letting Jesse go, Mike will side with Gus over Walt or Saul, Saul will lie to Mike, Walt will get Jesse to kill Gale. <br /> I certainly didn't see any of that coming. How could we? Still, great thing about BReaking BAd - none of knows where it's going. <br /> <br /> Worst thing about the cliffinger: We have to wait until nest season to find out how Junior did on his driving test? 8)
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but I thought when Walt gave him his walking papers in lieu of Jesse returning, that Gus would have to take care of him then, bc he knew too much. Didn't expect this one at all
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that would have justified an extra 45 min of finale!
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come from Walt's chemical exposure in the science lab?
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my bad. It's 2 am
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Now THAT is taking it to the next level!
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June 14, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST
Switching gears, I think RUBICON's big mystery is a 9/11 conspir
by zillabeast
Considering the star character lost his wife and daughter in the World Trade Center, and it's all about secret societies and conspiracy theories. AMC might be pushing it with this one if it does indeed go that direction.
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Also holy fuck. Jesse was always an asshole, but I felt really bad for him this time. Walt's gone the baddest out of all theme. That was tricky, but also I can't believe he made Jesse do that shit. I think the next season will just show him get even worse.
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You are fucking awesome. Spot on with the Mad Men hate (no sarcasm). AMC should be hawking BrBa as THE television show and Mad men as A television show. I guess the execs are too fucking stupid.
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He'll either be badly wounded or Jessie might actually kidnap him. But in a hospital or missing, Gus is trumped. Unfortunately, Walt will still be a prisoner under constant guard until Gus can find a replacement...unless he grudgingly admires Walt's moxie and *does* take him as a partner. Which I doubt, because it was established beyond a doubt that Gus is untrustworthy.<p> Vikki's right...this show keeps you guessing. The good news is, it doesn't have to change the laws of physics to do it. ;-D<p> Man, is Mike a badass, though...what a great character.
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What an episode. The look in Jesse's eyes when Gale opened the door was spectacular. Can't wait for next season. Now that it's over, any suggestions to pass the time this summer? I'm thinking about starting Mad Men. Yea/Nay?
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"Do you think Jr's physical problems come from Walt's chemical exposure in the science lab?"<p> Exposure to toxins is listed as a cause of CP in the Wikipedia entry. Next season will undoubtedly expose more of Walt's backstory, of how he seemed so ambitious and confident of a large family and career success, only to wait sixteen years for his next child and wind up working part time at a car wash to make ends meet as a teacher...
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While he may have gotten rid (maybe temporarily) of the cancer, HE is now the one infecting everyone else around him. I was also thinking... what if someone had paid the doctor (i.e. Gus, Mike) to tell Walt that he no longer has the cancer, and that Gus really does mean what he tells Gale - that Walt IS dying. I'm not sure what reason Gus would have for doing this though - maybe as a temporary solution rather than the long term fix Walt thinks he is?
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After that finale, I want this amazing Gus vs. Walt storyline to stretch out at least another half season -- before Gus is eliminated and the second half of season 4 sees Walt assuming the role of big bad of course. I can almost see Walt buying up Pollos and Jesse becoming his number 1 -- but that would be too predictable, something this show just demonstrated it is not.
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Those were my exact thoughts while watching the intro, that there could be a whole load of guilt there on Walt's shoulders for his son's disability, whether true or not.
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should do a season capper, setting up that the cartel is pushing for weakness, having the ending not as clear cut so people will talk about it (remember when cliff hangers meant something for hour long dramas) i really loved how walt was begging for his life, and how gale echoed the exact words of you don't have to do this, and as soon as you saw walt off the phone you knew part of his begging was to buy the time to make te call, but was still part not wanting to die. also the lack of some of the side characters (hank) allowed this show to really play up the main plot, too bad writers are to egotistical to sit down and watch BB to bone up on the finer points of how writing should work
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is that we're probably going to have to wait at least 3/4 of a year for the next new episode.<br><br>The best part? Despite some predictions, everyone is still in play...Gus, Mike, Saul, etc, and we can look forward to more fantastic scenes with whatever combination appears on screen. What's astounding about this show is there's not a weak link in the cast, the writing, or the execution, and the fact that it defies predictability is part of what makes it so good.<br><br>Poor Gale. Though he wasn't around long enough to allow as much of an investment to be built up, the last time I felt this way watching a season finale was the "Postpartum" episode of the Shield. Paul sold it, and with his work this season, he cannot be robbed of the Emmy that eluded Walton Goggins. As carefully as BB is shot, I never had any doubt as to the real outcome.<br><br>Here's to Vince Gillian and happy accidents. And to do it on a tight budget. Thanks for being truthful with your audience.<br><br>Rubicon? I made it about 2/3rds of the way through before I fell asleep. But to be fair, I had a long day on short rest, but from what I saw, it looked like they spent some money on it. I'll try again, but I hope they're smart enough not to be bogged down by their own conspiracy and didn't kill one of the more interesting characters (his boss) in the pilot. What's up with the chick who wants to get in his pants? And the 9/11 plot device is a little tired as well.
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Regardless of whether Jessie killed Gale or not, the people that Gus answers to are probably aware of the situation and realize he is no longer in control. Next season everyone will be working for Walt.
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What if the bullet misses his brain and he gets rushed to the hospital. Now THERE's a pretty big motzha ball in your soup. And what if he ends up in a bed next to Hank.
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...it was somewhat interesting but still it's just another of a long line of conspiracy shows and that line is LONG now. I don't think it'll be 9/11 centric. I think it'll be about a secret financial branch of the government (how does the US keep paying for those black ops and wars anyway) and JBD will find out that they've been pulling a Bernie Madoff on the US financial system, the WHOLE sytem. But I wonder what the title means.
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June 14, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST
Hank will end up as Walt's Mike
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
I wonder if he's so pissed in the hospital because he was able to take down those two terminator guys, and that he realizes he only seems to be good and killing and beating the hell out of people.
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you are on it dude. thats exactly what Gustavo Frings was telling walt when he gave him the field talk.
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The heartbreaking thing is that Walt clearly likes and respects Gale and in other circumstances, the two would be friends. I also loved the fact that Walt is actually smart. He knows Gus' every move, figures it out sometimes before we do, and improvises some crazy shit when the chips are down. At first I thought he was actually giving up Jesse, but he was really making another play. I actually liked Rubicon - some pretty strong writing. I liked the way they introduced the characters without spoonfeeding, letting us figure out certain elements. Very interesting independent film-type pacing, not a typical 'thriller' - kind of an anti-24. And who know the guy with his hand chopped off in 24 could act? I wasn't planning on looking at this when it's on, but now I am. So I guess AMC's little DVR ploy worked.
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I think Jesse mirrored what Walt had said to him in the previous episode and told him to run. The longer he paused, the more he knew he couldn't do it.
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Vince Gilligan: Well first let me ask you: When you say “ambiguous” do you mean ambiguous in the sense of did Jesse shoot Gale or not?<br><br> AVC: Among other things, yes. <br><br> VG: Gotcha. That’s interesting, because I’m hearing that from some folks, that question. To me, for what it’s worth, it’s not actually meant to be ambiguous. It’s meant to be, “Oh my god, Jesse shot poor Gale.” But I’m realizing now that when people see the camera come dollying around so it’s looking down the barrel of the gun, some are reading that as maybe he’s changing his point of aim. But that’s not what we intended. Apparently it’s not as clear as I thought it would be. [Laughs.]
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He sure as hell isn't in good shape.
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I don't think Jesse shot Gale. I think Gus' henchman showed up and tried to shoot Jesse and probably killed Gale by accident. Then Jesse killed the henchman. Either that, or Jesse kidnapped Gale. Either way, I don't think Jesse put a bullet in Gale's head. As for where the series goes, I think it's too obvious for Hank to become Walt's henchman. I always think it's going to come down to Hank discovering Walt is the man he's been chasing and how is he going to deal with that horror. That's the more compelling drama. Hank working with Walt is comic book shit.
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someone mentioned this above but there's a really interesting interview with gilligan in which he discusses development of the entire season. But an interesting part is when he discusses the final shot and says that while he doesn't want to come out and explain anything after the fact he never intended for it to look like Jesse moved his gun.
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That's me telt.
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I quite enjoyed last week.
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Jessie never worked with Gale. Doesn't know him at all. All he knows about him is that Walt said that the guy is probing to learn exactly how Walt cooks so that he can take over. Jessie has no idea that Gale doesn't seem the type to want Walt dead and in fact has no idea that Walt may be killed by Gus. So for Jessie it may not be as hard to waste the guy because he see's him as Gus's guy not a decent guy caught up in a bad situation.
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it's actually refreshing to hear a writer/show creator say he has no idea where things are going to go next, and that much of this season has been winging it, to a degree. Takes the pin out of the popular AICN notion that meticulous pre-planning is the end-all be-all of 'good writing.' Because if a show as amazing and tight as Breaking Bad can be done by letting things organically progress without a major 'plan' then that's a pretty strong case for that writing method as viable. Gilligan definitely learned some major lessons from the shortcomings of The X-Files. Breaking Bad is creeping higher and higher on my list of greatest shows EVER.
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The one that was a hit man for the first 2 seasons?Before Olyphant took him out? If not,where have I seen GALE before? Also, the hat removal WAS to make sure there were no weapons.And WALT flatout insults Gus when he asks "are you implying that I called a hit on a 11 year old?" Walt says "I would never imply".That was backhanded insult, becuase WALT meant he KNOWS he did it, and wouldn't waste time accusing him.You can see a smirk on gus's face right after.That right there was the beginning of the rivalry.Even if WALT goes down...I hope he takes Gus down.And Gus's # 2 was super badass.What a great role in the finale.
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and Flight of the Concords and the wire.Wow, this guy is fucking great. also, I NEVER knew this following(ripped straight from wiki).."The episode names of the first, fourth, tenth, and thirteenth episodes of Season Two form a sentence which reveals an event that takes place in the season finale (737 Down Over ABQ)." very cool.
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He seemed to have at least a modicum of honor when we first really get to know the guy. To set up Walt for death the way he did was something I didn't think he would do. I assumed he would kill Pinkman but not Walt. Now how can Walt work with the guy? He is going to have to kill him before Gus gets the chance to replace him. And you just know Mikes days are numbered. I wonder when Hank is going to be brought into this. He has become pretty popular. Its for reasons like that Gilligan doesn't write to far in advance. Hank should be brought in somehow and be the guy to take out Mike.
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June 14, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
The camera moves in front of the gun
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
So we can empathize with Gale, not so we might think jesse is moving the gun, which would be a cheap and dumb trick. We can see what it feels like to have some guy come in out of nowhere and stick a gun in out face like that.
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That seems like a Jesse move.
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June 14, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST
Gale is dead as hell guys, not a hostage or wounded
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
What would be the point of ending the season there otherwise
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The fact that viewers are openly wondering whether Jesse moved the gun, or if the camera angle changed, plays right into Gilligan & Co's hands. Brilliant!
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Vince Gilligan confirms it.<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/28m4gsk
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"To me, for what it’s worth, it’s not actually meant to be ambiguous. It’s meant to be, “Oh my god, Jesse shot poor Gale.” But I’m realizing now that when people see the camera come dollying around so it’s looking down the barrel of the gun, some are reading that as maybe he’s changing his point of aim. But that’s not what we intended."<br><br>http://tinyurl.com/28m4gsk
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It's also good to hear S4 is a go (though I wouldn't have expected otherwise). <p> Did anyone else on DirecTV get what looked like an SD (vs. HD) broadcast last night? Maybe it was the combo of too little sleep, and too much adult beverage, but it looked a little off.
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damn good. Looking forward now to Season 4.
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"Headshots" are portraits actors have taken to put in with their resumes. Working on BReaking BAd is also something actors will want to have on their resumes. <br /> <br /> "These Talon bullets are illegal now. On impact they open up into six claws that will turn yo mama's brain to cole slaw." <br /> <br /> We had that AWESOME shot of Hank's magic bullet taking the back off the El Muerte Cousin's skull.<br /> We saw Walt roll a guy over the top of his Axtek and then cap the guy in the head with his own gun. ("Small change got rained on with his own 38" - Tom Waits)<br /> We see Hard Mike's chemical source raising his hands to indicate skull level so he can take out the last hood by shooting him in the head through a wall! <br /> We see Jesse aim his gun at Gale's face and the camera swings around to Gale's POV and... BANG! [fade to black] (Was Gale's fade to black death a mini-Sopranos homage?) <br /> <br /> Anyone want to speculate on how the dealers executed 11 year old Tomas? Or where Mike put those rifle kill-shots in those thugs as he casually strolled by? <br /> <br /> Anyone think of any other characters who got shot in the head this season? 'Cause getting shot in the head certainly seems to be one of the season's recurring motifs.
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brother we hardly knew ya
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June 14, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST
A BReaking BAd talkback needs all the chatter it can get
by VikkiMarsdale
But if anyone really wants to talk at length about Rubicon, it already has it's own talkback. <br /> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45402<br /> I enjoyed it, would give it a pass if it was an ongoing series but if it's planned as a 12 episode mini-series I'll check it out. <br /> ==================<br /> And to repeat, I DO watch and enjoy Mad Men, it's just their obnoxious self satisfied "we're the best show on TV" ads I find annoying - especially when they air during BReaking BAd, the best show on television. Show us your best actor award, Hamm. Oh, that's right, Cranston has it. <br /> <br /> Mad Men is a very riveting drama. And I'm old enough to appreciate the attention to detail on the nostalgia elements: it really is like watching an old '60s series, in terms of costumes, setting and hair styles. <br /> <br /> I guess it just that, while my friends and I never messed with crystal methedrine back in the '70s (Speed Kills), I did hang with a lot of stoners and heads, some dealers and a wizard so I can relate to that "dark side" world easier than I can to a bunch of New York advertising executives.
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in his apartment at first seemed like a quirky character detail, but then proved to be his (possibly) fatal undoing.<p>As far as Walt's fate, Gilligan has stated from the start that he wanted to explore turning a mild Everyman into Scarface. If that analogy plays out then everything and everyone he has fought to protect will crumble before him.
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June 14, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST
Gilligan should have played coy and not admitted Gale's death
by zillabeast
Either way, hell of an ending. The X-Files had the best cliffhangers TV has ever had to offer, and it's clear he as brought that mastery to Breaking Bad.
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but "damn good" is better than 96% of what's on TV these days. <br /> <br /> Last weeks episode was SO GOOD - all the way through, from blow jobs to hand jobs, and especially (but not limited to) those incredible last minutes) that it raised the bar and gave this episode something to reach for.<br /> <br /> Best of season? <br /> <br /> Season opener with the Crawlers heading for the Church de la Muerte and the introduction of The Cousins (with their Ditko-esque Heisenberg sketch), plus the aftermath of the plane crash.<br /> <br /> Hank takes out the Cousins. (Spilling over to that hospital scene with the Crawling Cousin.)<br /> <br /> THE FLY. I know, controversial love it or hate it choice, but as a stand alone piece of drama, one of the best hours of TV all year. That it aired opposite the 2.5 hour L*st finale and kicked it's ass only makes it better. <br /> <br /> "Run" That word says it all for last week.<br /> <br /> And I think this episode goes on that list, even if not on top. We learned things about Gus, Mike, Saul - and maybe stuff about Gale we didn't need to know that helped to humanize him. In the middle of all the drama, him singing in Spanish to his plants as he watered them was the touch of levity this episode needed. <br /> <br /> So if this season finale wasn't the best of the year, it was still certainly high on the list. And, to repeat, "damn good" is damn good enough.
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That link doesn't work. I'm watching Rubicon for one reason and one reasonly. namely the gorgeous and talented Miranda Richardson. If it turns out to be any good so much the better.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65D17V20100614
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Victor came through the back hoping to get the drop on Jesse. Jesse shot him and is going to ransom Gale for Walt.
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Agent Mulder died late last night from a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. <br><br> What?
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June 14, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST
This just proves
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
People will come up with the most convoluted theories they can even when the fucking creator and writer of the show has come out and said otherwise. Until they actually see it on screen they won't believe otherwise. This why half the internet stupidly believes sopranos had a "choose your own" ending, they are literally incapable of putting two and two together and coming up with anything less than 36. Gale is fucking dead. Wounding or kidnapping him would have been a half measures, and the show made clear they were all past that. And what would be the point of "ransoming" gale for Walt? They get Gale back and then Walt, let Walt and Jesse ride off into the sunset? This show is lost on you, just stick with CSI Miami.
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What was it..."Shamballa", if I remember correctly. Starts out with Buddist monks and eases into some porno funk, as Hard Mike strolls in and kicks some ass.<P> Love that shit
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This show just gets better and better. Going to be a painful wait till the next season.
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What makes Breaking Bad one the best shows in Television history, if I can be that bold, CHARATERS. Rich, compelling, edgy, dense, multi-layered storytelling that doesn’t leave anything on the table; every action has a consequence. Logical & intelligent. I truly care about their lives and look forward to being a part of their lives, if only for an hour. And those I introduce to BB are walk away with similar feelings. <br><br> Love the 13 episode season...I just wish we didn't have to wait so long in between.
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"And of course Jesse, if indeed he shot Gale -- and it certainly looks like he did -- how is that going to affect him moving forward?"
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It is, without a shadow of a doubt, the best programme on TV at the moment (even though I have to download it and criminalise myself here in the UK because no channel here wants to broadcast it sensibly). The really great thing about Breaking Bad is you never know what's coming, with every episode you have no idea of what's going to happen next. From the cousins, to Skylar's affair, to the Hank showdown, to the Fly, to last week's last minute, to this week's flashback - it's a deliciously fabricated work of fiction that oozes quality. It's just brilliant. This show should be made more of - it craps on Lost and Mad Men and all those other big shows from a great height. Kudos to Cranston, Paul and the others for ther sterling acting. I am missing you guys already!
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June 14, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
Vince Gilligan
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
"To me, for what it’s worth, it’s not actually meant to be ambiguous. It’s meant to be, “Oh my god, Jesse shot poor Gale.” But I’m realizing now that when people see the camera come dollying around so it’s looking down the barrel of the gun, some are reading that as maybe he’s changing his point of aim. But that’s not what we intended."
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June 14, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST
Obivously
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
The chicken man is going to be dealt with next episode (either killed or... something else). But obviously, next season is going to bring the cartel back into the mix. And I don't think Jesse dies and I do think he shot Gale. I want the show to spiral deeper and deeper into the morality of it all, from the people they were to the people they've become.
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June 14, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST
Oh, and...
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
Last week's line by Hank, "I'm not a murderer... and neither are you." was BS. Hank murdered someone in the pilot. Or maybe... he was just hoping Jesse was too high to catch him in his lie? Or maybe he didn't want to hurt Jesse's (fragile) feelings?
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June 14, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST
Did I say Hank? I meant Walter.
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
(Obviously.)
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It's almost unbelievable how much tension this show can generate. And the character work is so good. It almost broke my heart when Gale used the IR thermometer to take the temperature of his tea. Of course he did! How else would an uptight nerd like Gale do it? Just heartbreaking for both Gale and Jesse.
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That FULL scene of Gale knowing the insanely complicated opera; the attention to the tea. So much time is just spent showing you how real, and full he is, only for it to be the cruelest joke and to take it all away.
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Wow, that was sad. I was hoping for a tip-off to Walt and a team-up. But I guess these people can't be leaving a mess uncleaned. Unfortunately they didn't deal with Jesse quickly enough and they'll have to take on Walt's brain now. Best of luck, baldy hit man who loves his kid and chicken boy. Jesse's family, yo.
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...but it's still not set in stone that Jesse killed Gale. Wouldn't it be even more of a mindfuck if he led us to believe that's what happened and then next season we learn it went down differently? This show relies on the element of surprise. Gilligan could be misdirecting us on purpose.
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Doesn't matter what Gilligan says; Jesse didn't kill him. Playerhater is right---I think Jesse shot Victor coming in the back. Or he shot past Gale and has now "kidnapped" him. Regardless: Walt can't work for Gus anymore, no trust left. Walt needs to hide/move his family asap. Saul's life is in danger; what's his next move? Oh, and did anyone else notice that the hooker from last ep was asking Jesse how long the poisoned burgers took to work? (he left them with her) We'll most likely see her dead body in a brief scene similar to Jane's lipstick on cigarette flashback...
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there's a woman shouting at me about "air-wick". surely this is unconscionable!
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in the mid-'70s Marvel comic book series Tomb of Dracula writer Marv Wolfman often had his lead character preying on human victims - such is the formula of writing Dracula. Artist Gene Colan would give him 2 to 4 panels to set up the victims - establish the couple were having marital difficulties but trying to rekindle their romance by going to a concert by the same band they saw on their fist date. Or showing a young mother getting home late from work, wondering what to make for dinner and hoping her husband hadn't started drinking yet, or... well, whatever it took to humanize the characters in a short period of time and space so they'd be "real" and not just paper targets. <br /> <br /> That's not meant to diminish what Gilligan did with Gale there, Wolfman was a brilliant writer and TOD was a great comic. But that was exactly the same sort of thing. <br /> <br /> A handful of character traits: he likes his tea at an exact temperature and we can assume it's as good as his legendary coffee. He keeps his plants well watered. He listens to opera loud and sings along. He's a nice friendly guy and a brilliant chemist who would be willing to learn White's system and take over if Walter dies of cancer. Clearly he's rather sensibly a little afraid of Gustavo and wants to keep him happy. He lives in apartment six. He opens the door without checking the peephole. He pleads for his life.<br /> <br /> And I am going to assume that when shot in the face at close range he dies from the loss of blood and brain matter propelled through the back of his skull. Though I guess if Gilligan changes his mind between now and next season a lot of you are going to be saying "tolja so". <br /> <br /> Being a nice guy who was unfairly fired for reasons not his own fault, and watering plants and making good coffee and tea and singing in Spanish or Italian or whatever it was doesn't really make Gale a fully rounded character. But it is enough to make us want to get to know him better, and enough to make us care when he dies. He's not just a paper target. <br /> <br /> Even though Jesse - and Walt turning Jesse into a killer - is, I think, what we're really supposed to be thinking about and reacting to. <br /> <br /> Ever since Lost, though, nobody believes what a writer says unless it's up there on the screen. Yet another way "Lost changed the face of modern television" - it made everyone a skeptic.
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And to be fair, I was a little nervous about it too. When Jesse shoots Gale at the end of season three they were just, "Wow, that's a big moment, cool." There was plenty of debate in the writers room and all of us were vigorously talking through every beat and there was a lot of questioning. "Is this taking Jesse too far?"<P><P>Now, excuse me, please: I'm going to go and rewatch all 3 seasons.
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but only in the sense that the haven't established the theme or broken the stories for season 4 yet.<br><br>Anybody who has read the interviews or followed the production side of BB know that lots of it is due to happy accidents, collaboration, and that Gilligan and crew are nurturing a work that is constantly in flux. VG also resists the notion of telling the audience what to think and allows people to run with their own interpretations.<br><br>Based on that, it's certainly possible that they could change their minds and resurrect Gale when they meet again to plot the next season. However, there is no question as to the intent that had when they "shot" that scene; Jesse shot and killed Gale. If the change in the angle from the movement of the dolly leads one to believe that Jesse changed his aim, then watch that scene again, and pay better attention to how the show is shot in general.<br><br>As for the suggestion that Gilligan is playing coy or purposely misleading the audience. Nothing in his public dealings has ever suggested that he plays those kinds of games, so we have to take him at his word. BB is not a show that relies on cheap surprises to sustain its narrative.
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you WANT them to kill an innocent man... <p> AN INNOCENT MAN! <P> I was yelling at the TV "just do it dammit!" <p> mission accomplished - this show has truly broken Bad...
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the screen goes black - we HEAR a gunshot but don't SEE it - was it Jessie shooting Gale or someone else shooting Jessie?? <p><br />personally, I think Gale is fucking toast - so long as Jessie remembers the Double-Tap rule... <p><br /><br />wonderfully brilliant that we see Mexico has already started probing Gus for weakness - I can foresee both Gus and Walter being faced with a choice next season of find a way to work with (and therefore trust) each other or try to work with whichever new head has sprung up to replace the old one that got cut off in Mexico (or is it still the old head working out of prison? that would make things personal between him and Gus and therefore manoeuvre him into a position where he HAS to choose Walt and Jessie as the lesser of two evils) <p><br /><br />the choice may not be so clear cut for Walt, since Mexico is such an unknown quantity to him, but I think making peace with Gus could possibly be the smart choice, since he obviously knows how Gus thinks... <p><br /><br />it's Kafkaesque yo!
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I have a feeling season 4 will either bring Jesse to the edge of sanity (while his drug use increases to toxic levels) or he will completely lose his innocence and begins accepting his 'bad guy' perception. The latter I can't believe due to the polarizing relationship with Walt (Walt is becoming the 'bad guy' opposed to Jesse). <br><br> But I can absolutely predict Walt will use the Cartel in order to stay alive and play Gus in the same way Gus played the cartel earlier in season 3. Season 4 concludes with Walt assuming a leadership role in the organization, quite possibly taking it over to become the 'big bad', just as Hank begins to suspect Walt. Season 5 will be a cat & mouse game between Walt & Hank, culminating with either Jesse killing Walt (blaming him for what he's become - a stone killer), Hank arresting Walt or Walt being killed by some one other than Jesse.
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I imagine something similar, but I don't think Heisenberg will survive. Walt will die. Lose his family, his friends, his integrity. The crime boss will prevail, cannibalizing the lovable teacher-husband-father. Walt dying/getting arrested would be too easy for him.
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what I meant to write "don't think Heisenberg will die". Only Walt.
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June 15, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST
Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson should be signed to season 4
by zillabeast
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I like that idea. I've always seen Mike as a future version of Walt - a man who accepts the life he's chosen, fully capable of taking full measures yet someone who balances his family/home with his work. A feat that requires Walt to truly accepts the fact he's a criminal....
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out for revenge!! No.no.no. Sorry. Bad story idea, but would be great casting. Weird, smart, creepy but fascinating, slightly effete. Quite a bit like Gale, really. But as a story direction, fairly predictable. And that is NOT this series' oeuvre at all. Even "Q" who I thought would become a central source of continued pain for Jesse?.. poof.. gone.
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It’s a testament to how awesome the writing is that spends time making you like a character and five minutes later be on the edge of your seat rooting for his death even when he has done nothing to deserve it. Name one other show that can do this I dare you. This is best show on TV. The haters can suck it.
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..and i've caught myself shouting at characters in this show on several occasions. <p> the only thing i ever shouted at LOST was "get on with it". <p> OK, I need to float a question here, is 'breaking bad' a familiar phrase at all in the US, because it's definitely totally uncommon here in the UK, by which I mean i've never heard it or read it. <p> Poetically, it's not too difficult to decipher a meaning, but still, it's a funny old phrase. So, am I right in thinking that it's been coined by this programme, or would someone like to put it in the context of a sentence for me? <p> PS anyone even a little bit excited about MAD MEN? Because i know I am. They'll come back for this season with all guns blazing, i reckon. New dawn of advertising, new crew, new sets. New actors..
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the second time I watched the episode that Jesse definitely shot Gale. It was a dramatic camera move to have us looking down the barrel of his gun. To let us feel Gale's death even more intimately. Gale, as I figure it, is toast. Jesse is exactly what he always tried not to be: a murderer. And he has Walt to thank for that.
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As someone who would enter the meth trade. When we see him first re-enter the lab, the look he gives Walter is pretty chilling, so maybe he has that darkness in him. But he does manufacture meth, working for a hardened criminal mastermind. So he did put himself in the line of fire. I'm curious if Gus has a family, since there were clearly children's toys in his house when he invited Walter to dinner.
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June 15, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST
Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Lets go Celtics!
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Jesse was right next door, and could get up there in, say, a minute. He wastes a minute before he shoots. that's 2 minutes...hell, let;s say it somehow took 3 TIMES THAT, that's still 6 minutes, and Walt said the bad guys were 20 minutes away. <p>so that blows the whole, "Jesse shot someone else" theory away.<p>as for Jesse purposefully missing Gale, well, why? if he lost his reserve and wanted to let him go or kidnap him, why fire the gun?<p>and what would be the purpose of just grazing him or some shit? that's nonsense.<p>plus, if Jesse did ANYTHING besides kill Gale, they'd have to blow at least 2 episodes next season on setting it up, revealing him again, integrating him back into the show for THE THIRD TIME. it's just not plausible. Gale is dead. Period. Gilligan said as much.<p> I think the next season is going to concern itself, in a large part, with him Jesse and Walt cope differently with now TRULY being druglords. They've murdered, lied, stolen, and they're millionaires. They're there, finally, in the place the show has built up to. So now it's the beginning of the fall.<p>that is exciting as hell to me, mostly because there is no way to know what way they're going to go with it. <p>so let's drop the nonsense speculation about Gale somehow living, alright? this show is too good for lousy little tricks like that.<p>god, I hope there's some good shit to tide me over 'til BB comes back on...I need my fix!!
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June 15, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST
Next season should be a season of "Super Hero/Villian" Origins
by InActionMan
Spend the first part of the season telling the back stories of all the major characters. Give each one their own episode. <P> In the podcast they said they dropped of scene of Walt from the opening flashback where he drives off in a very expensive Porsche. Show us the tale of how Walt went from super scientist at some high tech start-up to become shlubby high school teacher. <P> Show us Walt and Jesse's relationship when Jesse was Walt's student. <P> Let's see Gus' rise to power. <P> How did Mike The Cleaner go from cop to button man? <P> Was Saul always a slime or did he graduate from law school with a genuine desire to help people? <P> Do a show about Marie and Hank's courtship. <P> The first half of the season could be an ongoing B story of the implications of Gale's Death sinking in for each of the characters on the night of Gale's murder.
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Ok, so this is the only way it can logically go from here. Mike takes Walt to Gus. Gus kidnaps Walt's family and threatens to kill them if he doesn't teach his process. Walt knows he's gonna die at the end, but he has no choice but to cooperate. All he did was buy a few days at most.<br /> <br /> This idea of Walt replacing Gus makes little sense to me. If Mike thinks Walt is a noob idiot, then he is. He's just not in a position to be a kingpin now or anytime soon. The best he can do is side with one of Gus' competitors. Walt is smart, but he has no street smarts.<br /> <br /> Walt is now officially a bad guy for me. There's no more gray area once he moved to take out Gale. Despite having a terminal illness (putting the remission aside), he's willing to murder a good person to buy just a little more time. He would have seemed less evil to me had he took out Jesse instead, but I guess Jesse is family to him now.<br /> <br /> A problem I had with this season is that Walt and Jesse seemed overly affected by the events in S2. Now that they have a real reason to be so affected, I can't imagine where they will take it in S4. Walt crossed a line and shouldn't go back to troubled anymore IMO. I don't know what they can do with Jesse at this point. He can't be any more of a wreck than he's been. S4 is gonna be a bitch to write, but if they pull it off, all other shows in TV history will be forced to bow down to this one.
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...because this show is not gay or Heroes.
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Re: "Gilligan said as much"... Vince has waffled and also said "if indeed he shot Gale -- and it certainly looks like he did -- how is that going to affect him moving forward?". <p> Now I definitely would prefer the story to follow a path where Jesse went through with it, but VG admits that a lot of this show is put out there without even their writers really knowing "what will happen next" and that they "wing it" episode to episode. <p> At this point I'd say Gale = Schrödinger's cat and until S4 starts no one can be certain of his fate.
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and I don't get the ending, did he shoot the guy's ear off or something?
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Galligan says that yes, indeed, Jesse murdered Gale. In cold blood. I was willing to go with Walt being bad. But I needed an innocent to keep watching and caring about these characters. Once Jesse crossed the line so extremely it killed the fucking show for me. Plus, I don't want to watch Jesse sink into another drug fueled puddle of goo over what he did. Or go the other way and try to be "good" to make up for what he did. I'm sure the creators are sooo very proud of their nihilism. Aren't they just so cool. Aren't the just the BEST makers of television on the planet. Fuck them.
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the cooking lab and the block surrounding it to send a message. Now there's a fucking mess for you to clean up, Mikey. (is his name mike?) Then Walt/Hank team-up where Walt takes direction from a bed-ridden but empowered Hank (ala Batman Beyond)using science and experience to bring the cartels down. I've always kind of looked at this not as a "average guy goes bad" show, but instead almost as a realistic superhero/vigilante origin story. Ever since Walt walked in and blew those thugs to kingdom come using those explosive crystal poppers. There was a certain joy to that moment, both in his eyes and in the audience.
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Jessie would have been dead way back and Hank would be on the take with the cartel.
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Gale is dead, it is not open for debate. Gilligan might have chosen his words a little poorly (perhaps underestimating fanboy obsession and penchant for conspiracy theories), but Aaron Paul mentioned it as well in interviews. he refers to "Jesse killing Gale."<p>if next season starts with "oh no, Gale is alive, make a run for it!" that would cheapen everything, and it would mean that all of the lead-up in the final episode was meaningless, they'd be back where they started, Jesse on the run, Walt on his own. the only difference is that Jesse would have to, what, hide Gale? pay him off?<p>no, forget it. Walt has murdered for his own protection, then to protect Jesse, and finally was prepared to kill Gale for his own preservation (and Jesse's). that Jesse was forced to do it himself is THE ENTIRE POINT of the finale, and will be the motivating force behind the plotline of the next season.<p> honestly, people are reading way too much into the fact that the camera pans left to make the shot fire directly at the viewer (which I'm sure Gilligan regrets, now that everyone has WAY over-interpreted it) and the fact that they didn't explicitly show poor Gale's brains splatter all over his cha-cha records.<p>Walt and Jesse are now druglords, murderers and millionaires. Next season begins their fall. let Gale go...he is no more.
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he's gonna figure out he owes his life to Gus - and that will lead him to make the connection to Walt (or possibly the other way around) and he is going to be a damn important piece on the board when the Mexican end of the business makes their play
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wasn't coined by the show, it's a southern U.S. colloquialism to describe someone who has strayed off the straight path and gone wrong. Vince Gillian, who is from the South, has had to explain it in many interviews, which suggests that it is mostly a regional saying.<br><br>The reaction to the final scene really has been astounding. I fear the worst thing that could happen is for the producers to unconsciously become more conservative or cautious in how they make the show for fear of confusing the audience. Fuck that and the Lost/Sopranos effect.<br><br>Not every producer is a liar, and not every show has such a wide open ending.<br><br>And yes, Magnum really did kill the Russian bastard.
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+1 Spot on, BadMrWonka.<br><br>BB's audience grew this season by something like 20%. Maybe it's the noobs who are having the issues with the final shot and not seeing the overall context of the show and the progression of the characters.
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...would be for Mike and Gus to have a falling out and Mike takes over the cartel. It's far more credible that he'd take it over rather than Walt and he might be more inclined to give Walt a pass. It's still a stretch, but I'm not sure how else they can move past this. Walt plants the seeds in Mike's head, followed by Gus sicing Mike on Walt's family, followed by Mike's inability to kill/threaten Walt's family, followed by him putting two rounds into Gus.<br /><br />I don't know, I just can't imagine a storyline that would get Walt out of this and still do justice to the show.
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And I STILL haven't fulfilled my promise to several people that I'll take a try at watching the entire series run of The Wire. So which should I do first?
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Someone dies as a result of Walt's manipulation. Tuco's muscle after Tuco samples the product, the airplanes colliding and now Gale.
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I'm in the same boat regarding The Wire. Just getting started and it's amazing. But in spite of how great the Wire is so far, I'd still say start with BB.
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Start with Breaking Bad and you'll be caught up before the next season. You don't want to have to worry about spoilers for a show like this. The Wire is an excellent show and you should definitely check it out, but it never fired me up like Breaking Bad did.
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I'll miss them. For a few months. Can't wait for the next season.
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What's the deal with his suddenly very noticeable accent? For the longest time, he had a very neutral non-accent. <p>I love the show but it's amazing how much they have riding on the idea that this magical formula of Walt's is so valuable. I mean, the clientele doesn't seem capable of being very discerning; I just don't buy that, say, the difference between Walt and Jesse's stuff is really that important. Whatever; it's a suspension of disbelief thing I guess. Makes for great drama, that's for sure.<p>I don't get the pity for Gale, frankly. It's not like he's an innocent. He knows full well he is complicit in the impending murder of Walt.
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I don't think Gale necessarily understood that Walt would be murdered, we weren't supposed to think that- we were just meant to see the greedy glint in his eye when he realised he was going to be in charge. <p> Gus has made a bit of money for himself, but he obviously spent way out building a secret bunker under his laundromat, filling it with brand new, state of the art and highly traceable equipment. It's understandable that he wants the mercedes of products after all that effort- or he would just have let Gale be the cook- Gale would have been pretty good- right? <p> Frankly, it's no surprise Gus wanted to take out Jesse. Who wouldn't? He's a massive liability- self destructive, kafkaesque and with a BA bad attitude. I was touched by his concern for the misuse of children, but really this was about Combo for him. He was on a righteous revenge kick. <p> Gus' accent has changed, maybe we only hear the fantasy island twang in it when he's relaxed, or annoyed, or being emphatic. Well whatever, next season Gus had better get the fuck out of town because it's not big enough for him AND Jesse, and The law of television tells us that Jesse ain't leaving. <p> Just to be clear- because it wasn't that clear to me yet- Has Jesse started using again or is he still just daring himself to do it? I saw him with that pipe, and i saw him with his girlfriend, who uses- but have we really seen him chuffing the silver smoke yet or not? was it implied and i just missed it?
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We saw him take a hit just before he approached Combo's killers. That may have been a one off given that he knew he was going to die anyway (given the way he approached them, it seems he was going for suicide).
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...Like Ricky Ricardo on I LOVE LUCY. Get him to completely lose his shit, and he can only speak Spanish.
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...and that makes sense since there's a fourth season upcoming. Also, there are clearly spoilers in this talkback, but I don't know who any of the characters are yet so they don't make sense, really. Hopefully I'll have forgotten all this stuff if I can get around to doing a series re-watch prior to season four. The problem is that I have friends who try to FORCE me to borrow The Wire DVD sets. So it would be much easier to get that one done first.
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Afew months ago inthe Lost talkbacks I asked a question: was there ever a "perfect" TV series: one that actually held to the standards that Lost's critics were demanding of it.a series in with all mysteries were resolved, all questions answered, all dangling plot and sub-plot threads neatly tied up and with no filler episodes, disposable "that one doesn't count" episodes, no ret-conning and "we were wrong there, what should have happened was..." redefining.<br /> <br /> It wasn't a hugely successful attempt to run a survey, but THE WIRE came far and away in the lead as the major vote-getter. <br /> * * * * *<br /> Hopefully the fact that Gilligan and company have been very frank about how Breaking Bad IS made up as they go along and usually one episode at a time will prevent anyone from having too high of an expectation for the series or try to hold it to unrealistic standards. <br /> <br /> I am very fond of the belief that Gilligan wants five years to tell his story and was upset recently to hear that he might be open to the idea of going open ended and adding as may seasons as AMC will okay. It's hard to shut down a money-maker or a critical darling, but at least part of the major appeal of Breaking Bad - for me at least - is the notion that the series' creator has a plan, an idea of where the show is going and most specifically an end in sight - hopefully more than just "and then Walt dies" or "And they all go the Hell".<br /> <br /> Although I will concede that when "a guy is dying of cancer (and starts manufacturing meth to support his family after he's gone)" is your show's concept pitch then a conclusion of "and then he died" is kind of a foregone conclusion.
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Waall-llt, you gots some esplainin' to do. I tole jus I didn't want chu killing my dealers and what did you do?"<br /> "Waa-aaahh!!!" <br /> "There, there, I know ju means well, chust doan do it again, hokay?"
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I'm sure most AICN geeks know that The Baedger was a Mike Baron comic book character. the original pitch was " a man would have to be crazy to put on a costume and fight crime" and The Badger was veteran and martial artist Norbert Sykes, who we first meet in a mental facility suffering with multiple personality disorders. And, yes, his "hero" identity of The Badger was one of his seven distinct personalities. <br /> But did you know that porn model Alexa Von Tess wrestled for Kink dot com's Ultimate Surrender nude wrestling under the name Badger? It's true. <br /> <br /> Next time: "Skinny Pete": a man named Pete whose epidermis is covered with flesh or just some guy with a narrow penis?<br /> (You know, because Peter is an archaic slang term for penis. Hence porn star Peter North. You did know that the name "Peter Parker" meant he was just some fucker, right?)
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My vote for perfect series will always go to The Shield. A seven year run where not a single episode was anything less than gripping TV, and every rewatch of the finale gives a greater appreciation of it's pitch-perfect ending. Even The Wire had it's average episodes, few as they were.
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Having finished Sopranos, The Wire, Oz, Breaking Bad, BSG and so many others I'd started to scrape the bottom of the barrel with True Blood. Thanks for the Shield shout. Onto that next, I guess.<P><P>That makes me sound like all I do is watch TV. I'm just a lazy student with a long summer.
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The 6/27/10 episode of Leverage featured guest Giancarlo Esposito (Breaking Bad's Gustavo Fring) as a diamond smuggler and would be dictator named Mr. Moto - the name of the character Peter Lorre played in a successful series of detective movies in the '30s and '40s.
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