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DOCTOR WHO 5.11 – "The Lodger" WRITER: Gareth Roberts DIRECTOR: Catherine Morshead GUEST CAST: James Corden, Daisy Haggard, Owen Donovan, Babatunde Aleshe, Jem Wall, Karen Seacombe & Kamara Bacchus As is customary before the series' two-part finale, "The Lodger" was an episode of palate-cleansing light entertainment, cheaply made and relying almost entirely on script and performance to see it through. Writer Gareth Roberts' history on the show has been mostly spent penning "historical episodes" like "The Shakespeare Code" and "The Unicorn And The Wasp", but here he adapted the idea behind a comic-strip he wrote for the Doctor Who Annual: what if The Doctor was stranded on Earth and had to pass himself off as an everyday human? Arriving in modern-day Colchester, The Doctor (Matt Smith) was marooned after the TARDIS dematerialized with Amy (Karen Gillan) stuck inside; apparently the repercussions of a mysterious entity living upstairs in a local town house, which The Doctor decides to investigate first-hand by becoming the new flatmate of the residence's coach potato Craig (James Corden). "The Lodger" essentially became an odd couple comedy with The Doctor befriending Craig and becoming both an eccentric friend and frustrating rival, once it became clear he's a better footballer and call centre worker than Craig will ever be. With Amy stuck in a time vortex limbo (though able to communicate with The Doctor thanks to a space-time earpiece), the mystery of who or what is living upstairs had to be solved... especially as the entity keeps enticing passers-by into its room to be dissolved into a patch of ceiling damp... I didn't expect to enjoy "The Lodger" as much as I did, but it actually felt very refreshing. I think this episode should have aired much earlier in the season, because it actually gave The Doctor opportunities to be charming and eccentric in a manner that allowed you to buy into him as a character and truly bond. Not that The Eleventh Doctor's been aloof and unknowable before now, but we've certainly missed having a focus on his personality and demeanour. The last time I remember being this enraptured with Smith it was way back in the premiere; everything since then has been quirks and mannerisms, ultimately. Guest stars James Corden and Daisy Haggard were both very good, although the latter was sadly underused. Corden tends to divide opinion as a celebrity, but I thought the script played to his strengths as a normal, lovable guy who can't find the words to tell his friend Sophie (Haggard) that he loves her. A lack of communication that went both ways, naturally, and while the arc of their storyline was obvious and predictable from the get-go, it played out nicely and earned its moments well. Above all, this was a very funny episode. Just seeing The Doctor try and approximate human behaviour was great fun to watch (air-kissing everyone he meets, even bewildered football players), and there were plenty of moments to make you giggle -- such as The Doctor mistakenly using an electric toothbrush as his sonic screwdriver, discovering he has extraordinary talent on a football pitch, making a crazy omelette, or talking to the cat. The episode's storyline could perhaps have been a bit beefier, but it was more a spine to hang the performances on, so achieved that aim very well. It helped that it was pleasantly spooky (with the alien upstairs posing as silhouetted elderly men or pigtailed girls to lure people upstairs), and the big reveal of exactly what's been going on gave the episode's a boost because as it was something very different to what I expected. The plot also earned respect for finding a logical way to explain how The Doctor managed to get in touch with Amy once she'd vanished inside the TARDIS, and the last-minute sting (Amy discovering her engagement ring and, thus, total recall about Rory, presumably?) set-up the finale very well. The Good Matt Smith. I think he's been good for most of his debut series, but this episode certainly benefitted from focusing on his character almost entirely, and thus he built a much stronger connection with the audience. "Bow ties are cool", indeed. James Corden. Like him or loathe him, he did good work here as an actor. Most of the problems you'll have about his character was script-based. I thought he created a warm, likeable character with relatively thin material. Humour. Doctor Who can be a funny show (even if it targets kids with its jokes), and this episode was easily the most comedic of the series and kept you smiling. You've got to love The Doctor as a telephonist putting callers on hold while he eats a biscuit, haven't you? Or handing over £3,000 in cash as rent. The lack of Amy? Yeah, maybe. She still screeched most of her lines, though. Damn, I really love the essence of Amy Pond as a character, but someone needs to sit Karen Gillan down and tell her to find some light and shade with this performance. Unrelated to this episode, but how amazing did the trailer for next week look? Exciting stuff. But I do wish the trails were about half as long as they've been this year. They give far too much away. The Bad Craig and Sophie. Their relationship was trite and obvious from the opening scene to the last kiss, which was a shame. Also a pity Haggard wasn't more involved in events, because the actress is a great balance between sexy and funny. Head butts. Time Lords can impart knowledge through violent head butts? I mean, really? This felt like one of those silly contrivances we'll never see or hear about again, meaning nitpickers will always wonder why The Doctor doesn't just butt various villains he needs to convince of something in the future. Hey ho. The Geeky "The Lodger" is based on a comic strip Gareth Roberts wrote for a Doctor Who Annual, although only the core idea survives the adaptation. A flyer advertising a Vincent Van Gogh exhibition can be seen pinned to Craig's fridge, having been part of last week's "Vincent And The Doctor". This one of few episodes where The Doctor never shares the screen with his companion. Matt Smith was a gifted footballer as a teenager, playing on the youth teams for Northampton Town, Nottingham Forest and Leicester City. Unfortunately, a leg injury put a stop to his promising career. Fortunately, he instead pursued acting more rigorously, and the rest is history! Of course The Doctor's football strip number was 11, being the Eleventh Doctor. Apparently, Time Lords can transfer memories and information via painful psychic head butts! Rating: 4 / 5 Doctor Dan

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  • June 12, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    It was as if RTD had come back....

    by photoboy

    ... and I don't mean that in a good way. Aside from the extremely entertaining antics of the Doctor as he attempts to fit in, this episode was absolutely terrible.<br><br> This felt like a complete throwback to the RTD era with its lame deus ex machina and lazy stereotypes. Hopefully the crack in the wall wiped out Corden and the rest of this stupid story.<br><br> This is the first and only bad episode of the season for me. 1 out of 13 isn't bad at all, especially compared to how many episodes I'd hate on average during RTD's reign. On the bright side, next week looks and sounds like it could be fantastic.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Hugely enjoyable!

    by WebMnky

    Not a single dud episode this year - can't wait for the final 2 episodes! :)

  • June 12, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Just missed the deadline!

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Not to worry, here's the link to my review of tonight's episode - which like Dan I enjoyed a lot more than I thought I would: http://reviewthewho.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/5-11-the-lodger/

  • June 12, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Great fun...

    by berksbear

    ...even made me like James Corden for a change!!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Good episode

    by buggerbugger

    Nice to see them balancing out my totally-rational hatred of James Corden with my peculiar(?) years-long lust-on for Daisy Haggard.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Wonderful stuff

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    Matt Smith really nailed it tonight. Now my favourate Doctor

  • June 12, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    And more Bowie titled episodes, please!

    by Darth_Tarantino

  • June 12, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    "The Geeky"

    by buggerbugger

    What, no mention of the Drahvins from 'Galaxy 4' or the Chelonians from the Virgin New Adventures, Doctor Dan? Not to mention the whopping great Jagaroth spaceship parked on the top of the house...

  • June 12, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Indeed, Scratchmonkey

    by danowen

    My geeky brain clearly needs some oiling tonight, so thanks for the additional info. Also, read on: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Jagaroth

  • June 12, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who - The Lodger...

    by Kelvington

    We've come to expect that at some point during any of the new series of "Doctor Who" you will get a filler episode, a show were the sets are small, and few. The effects are simple and can be done on your Mac and the story... well the story will be fluffy. Now we have seen the heights of a simple Who stories with "Blink" and zenith of this with "Love & Monsters". But tonight's episode was just good and fun.<P><P> It was as if "Doctor Who" had met "Spaced", which I would have paid nearly anything to see. You have a flat, and two people who clearly care for each other going on about their lives, when The Doctor shows up to do something. One of main complaints last week was the terrible trailer, which considering how cute the episode was, it could have been better... and will be soon.<P><P> We see Amy trapped in the TARDIS, and fiddling with the controls, the Doctor talking to her on his blue tooth, trying to help her out. One very odd production mistake was, when Amy first talks to the Doctor she needs to use a CB push button microphone, but after a bit, the pure shrill intensity of her voice fills the head of the Doctor, no button pushing needed.<P><P> The flat mates.. who had names... I think they were Tim and Daisy... or something, had to work out their feeling and in the end is what saves them, the world and everything. The story you could see coming around 5th Avenue like a Macy's balloon on Thanksgiving day, but I didn't care. As fluff goes, it was sweet cotton candy, a cute little story, about cute little people, and The Doctor.<P><P> I give a big thumbs up for how the Doctor managed to communicate who he was to his flat mate, all without getting a red card, and a few moments of the Doctor playing football. Although this Doctor is way more confused than any previous incarnation. Previous Doctor's have played cricket and know the scores of various football matches from memory. Perhaps this is just this regeneration settling down and all his past knowledge will come back to him if future series.<P><P> From the trailer we were all expecting a terrible episode, but we got one that wasn't on par with "Blink" but it wasn't rubbish either. Besides the failing logic of the Emergency Medical Hologram, who spares the boy and thinks nothing of killing the girl. And rather simplistic plot, which could have been solved in seven minutes and not forty. I rather enjoyed it. Just fun, just silly, just fluff. Oh and then there was the crack, slapped on at the end like some after thought in a writers meeting.<P><P> They have built this thing up, and it had best pay off big time. In the next two weeks, I want my jaw to drop, my heart to skip a beat, and my eyes to bug out of my head with an amazing story, otherwise the only crack I'll be discussing is the one the writers and producers have been smoking, if they don't pull this off!

  • June 12, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Quality stuff throughout

    by palimpsest

    Definitely calm before the oncoming storm, but very solid comic writing and performances, more nods back to WHO history and an intriguing alt-TARDIS mcguffin. I've got a feeling that the whole series will make more sense once we've seen the last two eps, but this is supremely entertaining and even makes James Corden watchable for 45 minutes.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Doctor Dan... 40:08

    by Kelvington

    Not to point this out, because again I didn't think you were wrong here but at 40:08 The Doctor and Amy are in the same shot working at the TARDIS console. Again, you weren't wrong... just less right.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Herc, you're killing me!!

    by spud mcspud

    I get a review in just after the episode airs, and it's still not quick enough??<P> Dan, how much are you paying this dude??

  • June 12, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    robert green pwnage in 3...2...1...

    by RaveX

  • June 12, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The being 'human' was a bit silly...

    by penhapus

    Why wouldn't the Doctor, who has spent an awful long time in the company of humans, know about social etiquette, etc? Was a bit out of sync just for comedy effect.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Most people were watching England in the world cup!

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    I think the lack of other reviews this week was coz everyone was getting pissed down the pub ready to watch England v USA in the world cup finals (score was 1-1) by the way. Bloody england goalkeepers !! It would be no surprise if The Lodger scores the lowest TV ratings of Who in yrs as it was put up aianst the aforementioned football match (yes thats right it's not soccer its called football!) The Lodger was the usual lets save cash for the finale ep so common in most sci fi shows and certainly common to who. That said it was a lot lot more enjoyable than guff like "fear her" and "Bad Wolf" Im still not sure who the hell was trying to build a tardis? but it was enjoyable nonetheless. This is smiths most character driven performance since The Eleventh Hour and it drives the majority of the ep. Gareth Thomas actually writes better Dialogue for Smith than he ever did for Tennant and this bodes well for future Roberts scripts. What Doctor Dan didn't mention was that this was actually the last episode shot for the series and only finished filming the day The Eleventh Hour aired!. Probably why this was one of Smiths best Doctor performances being the last shot and all. Next week "The pandorica opens" mentions of daleks,cybermen,slitheen,sontarans etc in the trailer !

  • June 12, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed that

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Take away the tag of the cheap filler episode and there is no way you can say that was the worst episode of the season.<br /><br />James Corden did his usual schtick and was good but the stand out was Matt Smith. His performance really was a tour de force and just had me smiling throughout. To some extent it felt like a one man show and Smith pulled it off magnificently.<br /><br />There were story flaws undoubtedly --I thought the machine being neutralised by "lurve" a little trite and the head butt piece sailed dangerously close to non-sensical.<br /><br />So much to like about this one because of the lead performance-well done Matt Smith !!

  • June 12, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    These talkbacks offer a great proof-reading service

    by danowen

    So thanks, Kelvington :) Yeah, I guess so, must have missed that shot if it happened. But still, a rarity that they didn't really have a proper "scene" together, as such. Any more nitpicks? They're like catnip to me, love it. No, really. ;-) Just glad I'm not the ONLY person on the planet with a different opinion about an episode this week.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I don't even type 'em up these days

    by palimpsest

    Herc must be on a promise.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I'll try and get a review into you next week.<br /><br />Have I mentioned how I think that Buffy is the most magnificent programme ever made--just thought I'd mention that in passing.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    No money has exchanged hands, Spud

    by danowen

    I can assure you. If it helps, I'll try and be less quick next time, if Herc has decided to just go with whatever's come in by the time my review arrives. But, please, post your review here, or link to it. @Candyass: I was down the pub, too. I insisted they change the big screen to BBC1 for Doctor Who. My clothes and hair still stink of beer.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Post your review here. I'd like to read it as I'm sure others would.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Another fantastic episode

    by kwisatzhaderach

    ALL HAIL THE GRAND MOFF!

  • June 12, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    SPUD'S REVIEW

    by spud mcspud

    THE LODGER - The Doctor has to pretend to be human while he figures out why people go UP a flight of stairs in a normal house, but never come down...<P> I'm calling SPOILERS!! on this review. Do NOT read this if you want to stay spoiler-free. Got that?? Good. Cheers.<P> Now... Every season has the bottle episode. The one where they spend the least budget, and even the least main stars. Some of the bottle episodes in the past have met with critical disapproval (BOOM TOWN in Series 1, LOVE AND MONSTERS in Series 2), critical acclaim (the peerless BLINK in Series 3, TURN LEFT in Series 4) - and now we have THE LODGER, the budget-light ep by Gareth Roberts, whose Shakespeare episode was so much fun. Hopes are high.<P> James Corden - the Marmite funnyman who is seemingly on EVERYTHING this week - is the single lad advertising for a lodger. His upper storey is rented to an unseen person, who only ever appears in shadow at the top of the stairs to lure people in with fake distress cries, but to what purpose? We know it has something to do with Amy's predicament - she's trapped in the TARDIS, which dematerialises as the Doctor is outside the door getting his bearings. And we know the TARDIS is affected by whatever is going on in that room. The plot thickens - whatever's in that room, it's affecting time AND space.<P> None of which concerns Corden, whose hapless Craig is the typical stammering shy boy who can't proclaim his love to his female best friend Sophie (a fun Daisy Haggard). Spending his time on pizza, booze and telly, and silently adoring Sophie, Craig's life becomes a lot weirder when the Doctor answers his ad. Hilarity then ensues for most of the episode, when we get to see Matt Smith show off his considerable footy skills (Smith was originally on track to be a talented footballer - a back injury put him out of the game, and into acting), how the Doctor copes with a proper job at Craig's office, and the Doctor's madcap attempts to keep Amy and his TARDIS safe. Things get VERY weird, however, when we get to the top of the stairs, when Sophie answers a fake distress call...<P> Seriously. Very cool SPOILERS. Don't read if you want to remain unspoiled.<P> The top of the house is actually a perception filtered out ship - which, from what the Doctor says, is a partly complete TARDIS. Oh YES. The pilot has been killed on landing, the autopilot hologram wants a new pilot, which is why people are being lured up there - and though the ending is fairly pedestrian (get the person who DOESN'T want to travel to interface with this nascent TARDIS - it'll make it implode and disappear!! Riiiiiiiight...), the questions it raises are more interesting. Why a TARDIS? Is it another version of the Doctor? The Valeyard, perhaps (the Dream Lord's ship)? Is River Song the Rani (hopefully not)? Is the Master returning (SERIOUSLY hoping not)?? Or is this a greater, as yet unseen Gallifreyan threat??<P> But never mind that - next week, the Pandorica opens (apparently near Stonehenge, if the trailer is true), practically every enemy the Doctor has ever faced is returning, and the greatest threat the Doctor has ever faced - a being "soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies" - is being released. It looks epic. Imagine an RTD everything-AND-the-kitchen-sink episode... but that makes SENSE!!<P> Oh yes. Epic is the word.<P> THE GOOD: Matt Smith, as ever, owns this role. He might yet surplant Tom Baker as my favourite ever Doctor. He's a very, very close second. He's the best thing in ANY of the modern WHO series so far. Just a joy to watch. And James Corden, whose bumbling funnyman routine works for this episode. And he's a great foil for Smith's eccentricities.<P> THE BAD: Murray Gold's score. So heavy-handed, it's like a musical version of the laugh-track on FRIENDS. This episode would have been MASSIVELY improved without that stupid score. Tone it down - we're all smart enough to know WHEN to laugh, especially in an episode as well written as this is!<P> THE AWESOME: A crashed TARDIS!! Matt Smith (again)!! The fact that the old guy who opens the door at the top of the stairs looks a wee bit (possibly) like William Hartnell! The Pandorica opening - at Stonehenge??!? The return of River Song!! THE END OF THIS SERIES!!!<P> I hereby forgive all the dodgy tone inconsistencies and half-assed stories before now. Taken as a whole, Moff's first season has surpassed any of the RTD ones - yes, even the third season. Because Matt Smith is JUST THAT FUCKING AWESOME. And I can't remember the last time I've been so stoked for a finale. This finale looks spectacular!<P> If you use this, I am SPUD McSPUD...<P> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand hope this helps. I'll go with the general consensus that this is just silly filler fluff stuff - but very well done, just fun wamr-and-fuzzy stuff that Matt Smith excels in. I'm still waiting to be convinced by Amy - she's as shrill and annoyingly wisecracky as always - but has a great moment at the end, discovering the ring in the Doctor's pocket. Great stuff.<P> Cannot WAIT for next week. Now, what the fuck happened tonight in South Africa? Engerland, WTF??!??

  • June 12, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Hey, no worries Dan

    by spud mcspud

    Though that's some risky shit you pulled at the pub. Don't do that next week, orv there may not be enough Doctor Dan left to write up a first-part-of-the-finale review :D<P> You weren't in Notts by any chance, were you? Because in Derby it was like a ghost town tonight...

  • June 12, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    palimpsest

    by spud mcspud

    I feel you, man. We need to split and set up AIN'T IT WHO NEWS, pronto. Doctor Dan's got our back, I'm sure...

  • June 12, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    spudmcspud

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    I still prefer Tennant's Doctor as i think David is a much stronger dramatic actor than smith..that said im liking smith a hell of a lot and he's fast becoming 3rd in my all time doctors behind Tom baker and Tennant. Murray gold delivers brilliant scored week in and out for who. People complained when they got bland scores like Star Treks TV incarnations did etc but when Gold delivers hummable themes and motifs people still complain. I think Murray gold is one of the best British composers around today and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was offered a bigger gig with a film at some point. It didn't surprise me at all whe Moffat said one of his first duties taking over from RTD was to retain golds services..genius.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Is there any way the Pandorica

    by penhapus

    could contain David Tennant? Could they have filmed it and kept it locked down? 'a being soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies' could describe the Doctor on a bad day...

  • June 12, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I'm all for more variety of reviews here...

    by danowen

    ... after last week! It's a worry when you disagree with the majority and things get personal. But I get the impression a negative review of "The Lodger" wouldn't have been quite as unpopular. There are a lot of RTD-haters around, and this episode definitely felt like something from his era. In fact, Gareth Roberts apparently wrote this after reading "Eleventh Hour" and the Angels two-parter, so he didn't actually HAVE a performance of Matt Smith's to gauge things. I think series 6 will be an improvement on this year, if only because ALL the writers will know what Smith/Gillan can do. And what they can't.<br> @Spud: Ain't It Who News? Yeah, we need that setting up. And I'm not in Notts, no. Lincolnshire.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I second the love for Murray Gold

    by danowen

    His work has been excellent on DW. The problems people have with him are the domain of the sound mixers at the BBC, who make his score too central and overwhelming at times. Although this year I'm watching on BBCHD and it's a lot better in DD5.1. And the "series 5 theme" (played in the trailers) is absolutely wonderful, goosebump material.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    penhapus

    by Darth_Tarantino

    The Doctor travels to all different time periods in the history of humanity. Social aires and graces change all the time so trying to remember what is suitable/accepted in every era of humanity's history is no easy gig. The Doctor even says that in this episode, as well as not knowing how much money is too much or too little. He's not good at keeping up! As for the more alien aspects of his behaviour, that's because he IS an alien and I like that this characteristic has returned after Tennant's very human Doctor (which I also enjoyed, for the record).

  • June 12, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Murray Gold is amazing

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Listen to the DW soundtracks on their own and they are beautiful. The man deserves to be doing big film scores.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    This 'season' = TNG "All Good Things..." + "Remember Me" ?

    by tangcameo

    With the Pandorica cracks growing outward from one moment in time, or in The Doctor's scrambled timeline, plus Amy losing her memory of events and people.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Observation:

    by Majereuk

    In one week, James Corden has irritated Jean Luc Picard and got headbutted- twice- by The Doctor. Has any man ever tangled with such high concentrations of geek awesome in so short a period of time and lived? Anyway, really enjoyed this one. Standout line for me was the Doc's response on being told that the team will 'Annihilate' the opposition next week, a stone-cold switch into a furious Doctor, 'the Oncoming Storm' ended with the sheepish realisation that they were talking about football and not genocide. Beautifully written and delivered. Glad I wasn't the only one who kept seeing Spaced, though lets face it, what's upstairs to Tim and Daisy is more horrifying by far. 'The Cougar' could never go out pre-watershed. Next week's certainly going to be interesting, though I think the trail was more interesting for what it didn't show. Anything from various previous Doctors to a new-Torchwood-heralding Jack Harkness could conceivably pop up- not to mention the tantalising/terrifying possibility that the Retcon-crack might devour River Song, neatly solving the plot problems she might present whilst at the same time stabbing the Doc's psyche in the heart, if you'll pardon the odd metaphor. The Moff has certainly laid plenty of plans for his Death Star, let's see how big a bang it makes when it goes off!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, another thought

    by Majereuk

    Building on the suggestion that Tennant could be in the Pandorica, here's a what-if. How about, in 'that' other universe something very, very nasty happened to Rose and the mortal Doctor copy went 100 percent Gallifreyan bat-shit insane. Given that the Master was able to take over Earth- twice- with some ease, what reality-shattering damage might an angry, stranded, mortal Doctor do if he really, really lost it? A billion galaxies might be small change.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Murray Gold CAN be great...

    by spud mcspud

    When an epic, bombastic episode requires an epic, bombastic score. Over-complicated scores for an episode that is basically GAME ON featuring the Doctor emphatically NOT required.<P> If Murray could reign himself in a bit when he's scoring the less epic episodes, I'd have no problems, Tonight's score was way too intrusive.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Lincolnshire! Dan!

    by spud mcspud

    You come from the place that features the greatest Christmas market known to man!! That bloody hill you got in the middle of Lincoln though - a killer, in every sense of the word.<P> I loves me some Lincoln. Good call!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Oh, and axcel1??

    by spud mcspud

    You got a GERONIMO! - just from Corden, not the Doctor. AND we got "Bow ties. Are. Cool." again - possibly my favourite recurring line this season!<P> I'm going for a solid 8.5 out of 10 for this week - what's your score??!?

  • June 12, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    penhapus / Majeureuk

    by spud mcspud

    I'm still leaning towards this being the Valeyard - ties in with the Doctor meeting "the only person who could hate me this much" in AMY'S CHOICE, also makes sense of the crashed TARDIS in THE LODGER, AND it's a "goblin (well, Dobby the Time Elf), a trickster (still okay), a warrior (hell yeah!) soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies" - my money is on this seasons's Big Bad being the dark side of the Doctor himself - the Valeyard. <P> It mauy not have been brilliant in the past, but if any concept could work reinvented for the new era of WHO - and arguably it was, in AMY'S CHOICE - the Valeyard could be the next level of awesome choices of villain. More cunning than the Master - because though the Master knows how the Doctor thinks, the Valeyard IS the Doctor - hence, thinks EXACTLY like the Doctor. And who knows - could this unlock the Time War, scattering the Hall of Travesties, the Dalek Deathsmiths of Goth, Gallifrey (and the insane Time Lords), and everything else back out across the Higher Realms of time and space??<P> THAT would out-epic the Reality Bomb stuff in S3, and easily outdo the clusterfuck that ended S4 - and make more sense into the bargain.<P> It's the Valeyard. Count on it.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Life on mars UK version

    by optimus122

    OK this is the only thread were I can put this and now there are some interested people. I am still watching the new Who episode and will not read anything until I am done. But today I watched the 1st episode and really liked it. I can't believe the Master is Sam Tyler. And I dig the police woman, shes cute though not as hot as the one from the USA version. The UK Hunt blows away Harvey Kietel IMO. 1st episode was very good. Watching episode 2 tomorrow.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Oh and BTW

    by optimus122

    The blonde girl in the apartment from the Dr Who episode looks like a blonde version of Benjamin Linuses daughter. Pretty damn hot.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    WORST EPISODE OF THE SEASON

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    The only redeeming point of this episode was that Amy was in it for only a minute or two.<p>A sickly, horrible love story. The Doctor playing football. The Doctor letting innocent people being killed because he's scared of going upstairs. Headbutts can transfer memories?<p>Oh please.

  • in this story. Because of the head butt, Craig yelled, "GERONIMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! That alone makes this episode PERRRRRRFECTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

  • spud mcspud, that makes it perfect, 10 out of 10, see it, and, and, two thumbs wayyyyyyyyyy, wayyyyyyyyyyyy UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    "Bow ties are cool" is the new "bananas are good"

    by danowen

    Am I right? Anyway, I predict that Davros is in the Pandorica, based on a "slip" someone made in an interview.<br><br> @Spud: Tell me about it! Try going UP that hill in winter, when it's covered in ice!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    My Season 5 Ratings

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    The Eleventh Hour - 9 / 10<p>The Beast Below - 7 / 10<p>Victory Of The Daleks - 3 / 10<p>The Time Of Angels - 8 / 10<p>Flesh And Stone - 7 / 10<p>The Vampires Of Venice - 6 / 10<p>Amy's Choice - 7 / 10<p>The Hungry Earth - 6 / 10<p>Cold Blood - 6 / 10<p>Vincent And The Doctor - 8 / 10<p>The Lodger - 2 / 10

  • Your review was also, PERRRRRRRRRFECTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Or, to put it as Kelvington might............................

    by axcel1

    You were more right than usual. LOL

  • June 12, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Richard Gere

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Think your being a bit harsh on this episode. If taken as a bit of whimsical fun it had a lot to recommend it, especially Matts performance.<br /><br />The thing when a series does a "funny" episode is to even further suspend the belief you normally suspend.<br /><br />Not sure I'd argue with your other marks but this episode is a 6/10 for me.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Corden is a fat rubbish....

    by Kowalski81

  • June 12, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    C**T...and is far too overated

    by Kowalski81

  • June 12, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Early review for next weeks episode

    by DoctorMoz

    Just to try and get it in before Dan!!! Spoiler Free The penultimate episode of the season sees the return of some characters and rocks. Here endeth the review

  • June 12, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    2LeggedFreak

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I don't think I was being harsh at all. For me, this episode was on the same level as "Fear Me". I know that this was a filler episode but, as "Blink" showed, a filler episode can still be great. I'm surprised that Moff approved this script because it made The Doctor look like both an idiot and a coward. Well, at least we got to see The Doctor playing football though. Oh and spending some time in a Call Centre whilst people were being killed by the evil upstairs that he was too forced to face until someone he knew was in danger. And let's not even get started on the horrible love story element.<p>There were only two good things about this episode: Smith (who has done a great job this season - remember how much abuse he got on here when he was first announced?) and the trailer for the next episode which looks AMAZING.<p>I hope the writer of this episode never works in television again.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    My season 5 ratings are:

    by DoctorMoz

    The Eleventh Hour - 9 / 10 The Beast Below - 6 / 10 Victory Of The Daleks - 5 / 10 The Time Of Angels - 8 / 10 Flesh And Stone - 8 / 10 The Vampires Of Venice - 7 / 10 Amy's Choice - 8 / 10 The Hungry Earth - 7 / 10 Cold Blood - 8 / 10 Vincent And The Doctor - 8 / 10 The Lodger - 7 / 10

  • First, why are you on so early? You usually post very late on Sunday. Nice to see you here. And, B.) You did say, "THANK YOU, JESUS" like everyone else did when you heard Torchwood was coming back in 2011, right? I know, waiting a year for Torchwood is crazy, but, we can do it.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    MY DOCTOR DAN-BEATING REVIEW OF "THE PANDORICA OPENS"

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It was very good.<p>THE GOOD: Pretty much all of it. I especially enjoyed the bit with the pears.<p>THE BAD: The bit where Amy repeatedly tells River Song to shut up and the cameo by The Rani as a taxi driver with a fob watch.<p>THE GEEKY: At last the mystery of The Pandorica is revealed! Inside is The Kandyman, last seen in the Seventh Doctor's "Happiness Patrol"!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    by spud mcspud

    The Kandyman??!? Now, tell me they're ditching Amy to bring back Ace and you've sold me on your WHO idea!!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Spud McSpud

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Man, that would be AWESOME. Eleven and Ace would be a great team together. Can you imagine it?<p>ACE: "I'm going to blow up The Pandorica with this bomb, Professor."<p>THE DOCTOR: "Please don't."<p>ACE: "Too late! I've already lit the fuse!"<p>THE DOCTOR: "Oh well. Geronimo!"

  • June 12, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, axcel1 - I gots the manflu...

    by spud mcspud

    ...Hence, have been flat on my back all week (and not in a good way) watching TV. Which is mostly shite. Though Paramount Comedy Central is surprisingly good after 10pm. Except for SPACEBALLS, which has far more misses than hits. You gotta love the John Hurt ALIEN bit at the end, though.<P> Ahem. So, though normally I work Thursday / Friday / Saturday evenings, this week I've been off. At least I got to see THE LODGER and catch most of the England-USA match - though now I wish I hadn't bothered...<P> Loved hearing "Geronimo!" and "Bow ties. Are. Cool!" again, though.<P> As for TORCHWOOD... **spits in distaste** Have a look at the TORCHWOOD Talkback to see what I REALLY think about that abomination being resurrected for American TV. They're very, very welcome to it. I shall have none of it again, ever. No, even if RTD rips off Nigel Kneale's peerless QUATERMASS. Again.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Again another enjoyable episode..

    by dj_bollocks

    ...and an episode that Matt Smith did his best David Tennant impression for a script that would have been really annoying had Tennant actually appeared in it - in my opinion of course. <p> It's never going to be an episode that I'm lovingly going to go back and watch, but as a fun 41 minutes - and pant wettingly good "Next Time" bit - it was fun and entertaining. <p> Sure there were no explanations whatsoever about who it was, what it was, and someone manipulating time, with a smaller on the outside bigger on the inside, Tardis like vehicle ? <p> I guess this Who team is different where they don't feel the need to explain everything where as RTD needed to fit in some ricockulous hackneyed explanation everytime... I quite like it this way although it could be perceived to be lazy storytelling... <p> Anyway with the 2 part finales coming up hopefully we can get a few more reviews in there Herc...

  • June 12, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I thought it was a solid episode

    by RaveX

    but then I went to youtube and saw a video of that fat idiot insulting Patrick Fucking Stewart. <p> now I'm thinking, "worst Dr. Who episode EVAR!"

  • June 12, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    River Song was in this one?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    I'm an American who watches it on BBC America so haven't seen this one yet but if River is in it again that's not good news. She dampens the fun with every appearance.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Richard_Gerbil

    by spud mcspud

    I'm reading RELATIVE DEMENTIAS featuring the Eight Doctor and Ace, and it's great how they spark off each other. I think Ace and Eleven would have a field day together - they're COMPLETELY right for each other! I'd want Ace recast, though - no offence to Sophie Aldred, who I'm sure is still a great actress, but you don't want old Ace to return, a la Sarah-Jane in SCHOOL REUNION - you want young Ace! Pretty much the same character Hannah from S CLUB 7 plays in PRIMEVAL.<P> But yes - what Moff's season of WHO needs is a vigourous helping of NITRO-9...

  • June 12, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Sir Patrick may have been in the wrong...

    by spud mcspud

    ...But when James Corden has done as much incredible work with the RSC as Sir Patrick has, THEN and only then shall I side with him over the mighty Picard - IMHO, the only captain of the Enterprise greater than Kirk. Yeah, I said it.<P> Corden - if you can't take it, don't dish it out, big boy.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    The Doctor letting people die!

    by cushing1967

    He didn't - he knew something bad was happening and that people should stay away from upstairs but it was only when he had the psychic chat with the cat that he found out 'people are going up but not coming back down'.<BR><BR>

  • June 12, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    My List Of Favourite Doctors

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    1. Ten (Tennant will always be MY Doctor)<p>2. Seven AND Four (I couldn't decide between them. Seven was my first Doctor hence the high ranking and Four is still the definitive Doctor portrayal)<p> 3. Eleven (Bowties are cool!)<p>4. Eight (Only one episode but he had SO much potential...)<p>5. Nine (AKA "The Ass Kicking Doctor")<p>6. Five (The first Doctor to show that a younger actor could work well in the part)<p>* I won't include One, Two or Three as I've only seen one or two of their episodes. *<p>100. Sixth (Urgh.)

  • June 12, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    You've now got me thinking that Hannah from S Club 7 would be a great companion. She's definitely easy on the eye.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    ThrowMeTheIdol

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    She's not in this one but I suspect you're not going to like the two-part finale very much...

  • June 12, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    I meant SEVEN and Ace, not Eight

    by spud mcspud

    Though I'd LOVE to see a Time War movie with Eight causing the war to end. Hell, I'd love a trilogy that ends with Eight mortally wounded saving the universe by simultaneously destroying Skaro AND Gallifrey, and regenerating into Nine in the last few moments of the last movie...

  • June 12, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    How to beat Doctor Dan in turning in your WHO review

    by SpyGuy

    Write up most of the review (production background, stuff you know from advance spoilers, etc.) before the episode airs, then toss in a few new things while you watch and then send in your review right as the closing credits roll.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I'm still wondering from the Dalek episode

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    What the doctor meant when he said Amy should have recognized the Daleks and that her memory was messed up since she didn't. We didn't see Amy see Dalek's before, so I'm guessing that as someone who didn't watch or like Who a lot before this year that I'm missing something important in the back story from the Tennant era? I saw some of those episodes but only like 25%.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Does no one else see

    by optimus122

    Linus's daughter when looking at the blonde in the apartment?

  • June 12, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I bet the Fringe universe got to see...

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    ...the adventures of the Eighth Doctor. He's probably regenerated into Hugh Laurie over there by now whilst a show called "House" (starring Patrick Dempsey) was cancelled in the first season.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    ThrowMeTheIdol

    by spud mcspud

    Yeah, the idea is that since in the Eccleston / early Tennant stories it's been established that alien contact has been seen and widely reported on by the media the world over since around 2005, so Amy would have at least heard of the Daleks, particularly after they took over most of the country (and possibly the world) in ARMY OF GHOSTS and DOOMSDAY, and after the cataclysmic events of JOURNEY'S END, when the whole of Earth ended up in the Medusa Cascade and was surrounded (again!) by Dalek fleets. There's basically no way Amy should NOT have heard of the Daleks, as they've been seen all over the world at this point in the Whoniverse.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    I bet the Daleks get pulled into the crack

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Wiping them from existence and causing Amy to forget about them. Obviously this will be reversed in the final, perhaps by Amy, in an attempt to get Rory back.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud..................................................

    by axcel1

    Give it a chance, STARZ involvement might mean a better show.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    As promised... A Proper Trailer...

    by Kelvington

    Last week I so hated the trailer for "The Lodger" I promised that ONLY using the first SEVEN minutes of the episode (really 6:15 because of the opening credits) I would make a better trailer.<P><P> Well, I made a sillier one... that's for sure. Enjoy...<P><P> http://tinyurl.com/2b5xeu6

  • June 12, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Andy Whitfield has recovered from cancer!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    He's already begun training for the second season of the ass-kicking Spartacus. That man is a true pro!<p>With Starz involvement, I have a lot more confidence in Torchwood thanks to their handling of Spartacus.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Nice video Rick

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Now I know your first name, you will always be referred to as Rick.<p>I hope that's okay Rick.<p>Anyway, good video, Rick.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Damn. We're getting beaten by the Taken TB

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    A TB now filled with people inserting the word 'taken' randomly into film titles.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Or maybe we're not.

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Surely one more post here will push us ahead....

  • June 12, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Or maybe we are.

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Damn. That didn't work.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Aha!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It seems we have overTAKEN the Taken TB.<p>No chance of beating the Spock TB though.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks Spud and violated pet owner

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    By the way, for those who don't know, on Comcast cable if you watch Dr Who free "On Demand" you get the director's cut version with all the stuff they cut out when they aired it on BBCAm.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Richard gear raped my gerbil ..great name by the way !

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    My episode ratings would be. THE ELEVENTH HOUR 9/10 THE BEAST BELOW 6/10 VICTORY OF THE DALEKS 7.5/10 TIME OF THE ANGELS 9/10 FLESH AND STONE 8/10 VAMPIRES IN VENICE 7/10 AMY'S CHOICE 6.5/10 THE HUNGRY EARTH 4.5/10 COLD BLOOD 7.5/10 VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR 8/10 THE LODGER 7/10

  • June 12, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Most call me Kelvington...

    by Kelvington

    but for anyone who has had their gerbil raped I would certainly acquiesce to being called Rick.<P><P>Glad you liked the video.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Where is the chat suppose to be happening?

    by Kelvington

  • June 12, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Candy ass monkey suit

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Interesting to see that you didn't favour "The Hungry Earth" as I quite liked that episode.<p>Where does your name come from? It sounds like an insult someone might use in a movie or something.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Rick

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I'm glad that's okay with you, Rick.<p>I've not used the chat thingy yet. Is it any good?

  • June 12, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Blues Brothers perhaps?

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I've just Googled your name and that's what it came up with.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    My name? No blues brothers...

    by Kelvington

    That's someone in Kelvington, SK. We get confused all the time. They are still a bit peeved at me for getting Kelvington dot com, when they wanted it. But I had it first, and it's me. So they lost. But I'm not the blues brother one.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Candy ass

    by frozen01

    Yes, yes, yes... even the xenophobes know it's called football elsewhere. And we're aware that it makes a lot more sense to call your football "football" than our football "football" since foot so rarely meets ball. But that's just how it is, and it would be horribly confusing to have TWO sports called football, so soccer it will likely remain. Sorry about that. Oh, and the random z's and lack of u's. And the mispronunciation of everything. And the aforementioned xenophobia. But NOT anti-British sentiment over the exploding oil rig incident, because it really doesn't exist. (We really don't blame you for it at all, except for a few kooks, to whom no one pays any attention anyways.) Okay, so now that that's cleared up... <p>I heard the mention of the cybermen, Daleks, Slitheen (which I hate except for the planet they come from, simply because I love saying Raxicoricofallapatorious), and so forth in the trailer, but I couldn't catch the context. Were they saying that they were all there? Or were they listing the aliens that were eaten by the crack, maybe? Do you guys know?

  • June 12, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    One more geeky left out...

    by progrocktv

    The doctor introduced himself to the alien computer as Troy Hansen of International Rescue. International Rescue of course being the name of the rescue organization in the 60's UK puppet series Thunderbirds!

  • June 12, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I am so sick of the word Antepenultimate

    by Superponte

    seriously. stop it. Whats next? Ante-Antepenultimate?

  • June 12, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Candy

    by Majereuk

    From the look of the trailer, pretty much everyone's there, so I assume those races are all present. Pretty sure I recognised a Sontaran ship (the big diamond jobs the look a bit like the Alliance ships from Firefly) at least. Of course, I may be bewildered by the lateness of the hour- I'm waiting for the inevitable dissapointment in the el-trasho film I'm watching with half an eye... :)

  • June 12, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Jagaroth

    by cyberleader

    The ship at the end of this episode looks like the Jagaroth's ship from the "City of Death" episode back from 1979. http://www.drwho-exhibitions.abelgratis.co.uk/images/jagaroth.jpeg

  • June 12, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to think maybe...

    by Kelvington

    You know we have had about four times that I can easily recall where Smith has shown Hartnell's picture or it's come up on a console. That combined with the TARDIS seal, I'm starting to wonder if there's not another way to look at 11, perhaps as two... ones? I don't know just a thought.<P><P>Oh and nice nod to the production crew for the TARDIS like wall paper in his room in the flat. Well done.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I liked this episode!

    by mistergreen

    I though I wouldn't either but it was a nice surprise.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Next weeks' 'baddie' is...Omega!

    by BiggusDickus

    Ok, not really, but wouldn't it ne cool if he was? Anyway, since others have gone before me, here's my take on this maddeningly average season so far...<p> The Eleventh Hour - 7 / 10 The Beast Below - 4 / 10 Victory Of The Daleks - 3 / 10 The Time Of Angels - 5 / 10 Flesh And Stone - 5 / 10 The Vampires Of Venice - 5 / 10 Amy's Choice - 8 / 10 The Hungry Earth - 7 / 10 Cold Blood - 6 / 10 Vincent And The Doctor - 6 / 10 The Lodger - 7 / 10<p> <p>Dear Mr. Moffat...next season, lose the annoying ginger bird and please give Matt Smith something decent to work with story-wise.<p>That is all.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Sorry Guys I still Like Amy!

    by Real Deal

    She really didn't have much to do this time. But the complaining about her was louder than ever. I think Gillan is doing a fine job and the character of Amy is far more interesting than that blond with too much eye makeup ( Rose ).

  • June 13, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    It was no Love and Monsters...

    by gotilk

    which is good. Now, I don't hate Love and Monsters as many do. Mostly because I spent the better part of my last year of high school playing ELO's entire catalog back to back, over and over. I LOVE ELO. My tastes in music run closer to that of your average college radio listener these days, but odder and more obscure. But I still love my ELO. So Love and Monsters holds a special meaning for me and maybe meant a lot to me personally while others just saw it as either pointless or over the top. How I wish I'd had a small group of odd friends who liked to get together and (badly) cover old Electric Light Orchestra songs. <br><br>But this episode.. wow. Finally we get to see the Doctor spread his wings a bit. More focus on his character and he is genuinely nutty, but not in a bad nutter way. Loved it. I was under the false impression that we were due for a Doctor-less episode right about now. It was great to have the story focus a lot on him, but the little romantic geek subplot wasn't horrible. Loved the head-butt. Especially when you consider this is a kids show essentially, yet the head-butt in one of the Star Wars films was removed in the UK.. censored right out of the film. Odd. But funny that it was ok in this context, when it's more likely the young people watching this show will attempt to recreate the actions of the doctor rather than the badly scripted Obi-Wan of the prequels. Maybe it just slipped past and no-one noticed this once.<br><br>This series is too short. It feels like it's just finally got it's sea legs and BOOM.. POOF.. gone. I have loved this series and this Doctor, but I do hope a few lessons have been learned.

  • June 13, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I named a cat "Horace Wimp" once.

    by gotilk

    Yep.

  • June 13, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    It does look like a Jagaroth ship!!!

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    What a missed opportunity!

  • June 13, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    The Doctor's name

    by TheDoctor73

    I'm curious. Why didn't the Doctor call himself John Smith when he met Craig or in front of the Football team?

  • June 13, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    All this and Lincolnshire shouts too

    by palimpsest

    Gotta love some Steep Hill references creeping into a WHO talkback. The Valeyard's an intriguing idea, but it's too late in the series to introduce that as a concept. There's been plenty of references throughout the season to earlier incarnations of The Doctor, plus the odd ideas thrown up by The Dream Lord and by River Song. The Doctor's mentioned he's old several times this series. There's a crack in time, and it appears around Amy, and seems to concern her in some way. Amy's life's been re- written by Rory's removal from time. So what's in the Pandorica? Everything. The Pandorica is the place where everything consumed by the crack in time goes. Perhaps a refitted Time Lord prison vessel. maybe one constructed for holding The Doctor. Hmmm.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Next week's trailer:

    by palimpsest

    http://bit.ly/9H6NH1

  • June 13, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    "No you won't. I've been in your head, remember"

    by V'Shael

    That line was leaked back in March on the Jonathan Ross show. Glad to see it made the cut. <p> I'd have replaced the idiotic head butting, with some finger to the temples work (like Girl in the Fireplace) but other than that, really nice.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    I'm no Whovian by any stretch...

    by Phloton

    ...but I'll take Amy and Martha Jones over any of the other recent companions - especially Rose Tyler.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith=Best Doctor Since Tom Baker?

    by reflecto

    Very possibly. He has the alien affect down pat with a creative, improvisational style as well as the age and grumpy anger.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Football/DrWho

    by windomearle39

    Pity Matt was not in South Africa last night. Could have used him...

  • June 13, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Pholoton, who wouldn't have Amy and Martha if given the chance?

    by Gabba-UK

    Except the Doctor. He is weird after all. Didn't send a review this week, you maybe heard there was a football match on. But I watched it before hand and found it to be an enjoyable bit of fluff before the shit hits the fan next week. The headbut thing seemed a little weird after Tennet used his fingers to do the same thing but then I guess this is a new Doctor. He does things a lot odder than the last. And why he's better for it. Matt Smith has just overtaken Tom Baker in my mind as the best Doctor ever. He gets better every week. And bow ties are cool.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Woo Who!!

    by RobinP

    2 great episodes back to back definitely bring the season average up.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    James Cordon

    by naughty pirate

    What a fat useless cunt !

  • June 13, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Objective, much?????

    by sam jacksons wig

    Yes, I was pissed as a fart last night after my first pint at 12.30 in the afternoon, and my last at 11pm after watching England give a point away to the bloody yanks! (no offence, my American fellow TBers! But football brings out a passion in most red blooded Englishmen...)<br><br> And speaking of passion, there is a word that this TB is NEVER short of, which is why I love it as much as I do.<br><br> However, looking at posts this week and last, most people had already (IMHO) decided that the episode wasn't worthy due to the presence of James Cordon; and let's face it, reviews/comments such as "James Corden is a fat useless cunt" say absolutely nothing about his performance in last nights WHO. <br><br> In other words, he did the job he was set up for- playing a fat, geeky, shy bloke with an unrequited love for a female he thought was out of his league and would never reciprocate his feelings; oblivious to the fact that she loved him back because his sense of self worth was PISS POOR! Along, then, comes the Doctor who is everything he feels he isn't- charming, intelligent, interesting, fit, funny.... and suddenly the glimmer of hope he may have once had to woo his beloved goes flying out the window. <br><br> The football match (tying in nicely with the World Cup game- well done Moff!!) showcased this superby, with Cordens foil and his mates cheering away for the mystical Doctor who has just appeared to seemingly wreck Cordens life. In those minutes, Corden showed us that he can emote well with a look of utter dispair than anything he can do in his more "comedic" roles (of which I am not a very big fan.)<br><br> The upshot? He did very well with the material he was given; he didn't over complicate the character and play it too funny or dense and in doing so made him someone worth watching in a situation that I am sure quite a few people have been in at one point or another (minus the Timelord and perception filters et.c, of course).<br><br> Just goes to show, you can't pigeon hole someone just because of dislike. Yes, the romance WAS thinly veiled, but this isn't a Mills and Boon tale, and Cordens character I am sure believed that he had a chance, but felt too unworthy to make that all important next step. ROLL ON NEXT WEEK!!!!!!

  • June 13, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Oops, sorry Rick

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I should have been a bit clearer but i was talking about Candy Ass Monkey Suit's talkback name.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    The other indicator of the evil Doctor/Valeyard 'big bad'

    by penhapus

    is the constant mentioning of the 11 regenerations. (I should know this) Did William Hartnell's Tardis have the St John's sign too?

  • June 13, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST

    SkidMarkedUndies

    by sam jacksons wig

    Yes, you are correct (as are others)- it did look like a Jagaroth ship; but we have next week and the week after to maybe answer the question, and if not, we have a Christmas special and a new series next year. Moff may be setting a few things up... you never know.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    I'd love to see Tennant come back as the clone and be the Valeya

    by reflecto

    Just to do the fangirls heads in. <p> Still Toby Jones did a great job. What I don't understand is why the Judoon, space cops, are working with the Daleks next week.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    in last night's really enjoyable ep...

    by emeraldboy

    the dr who says to craig" I am the dr...thats what they call me..I dont know why" this is just a theory but between the pandorica ep and the big bang the dr discovers why he is called the dr...ie he is the saviour of the universe. or the mad man in the box.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    penhapus

    by sam jacksons wig

    Have a look at this link regarding the evolution of the tardis. Yes, I believe William Hartnells did have the St Johns logo.<br><br> http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/tardis-police-box.html

  • June 13, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by sam jacksons wig

    Sorry, mate. Good idea, but didn't the Doctor get to choose his own name? I am pretty sure that he would know why he called himself the Doctor.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    UK will be sick of the sight of Corden soon...

    by workshed

    ...hopefully. It's nothing to do with him being fat. It's that his encounter with Patrick Stewart revealed his latent 'confidence' to be nothing more than thinly disguised 'arrogance'. A 31-yr old physically intimidating a 70-yr old pensioner? Tut tut. Not a bad episode if only for the fact that Matt Smith revealed his capability to take the character where he hasn't been before e.g. the head-butt. He IS The Doctor. HURRAH!

  • June 13, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    On second thoughts......

    by sam jacksons wig

    Regarding him saying that's what they call me and I don't know why.... could the crack in time slowly be erasing the Doctor from time itself; therefore tying in with the blasted piece of the logo he pulled out of the rift? Interesting....

  • June 13, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    The trailer for next week, in addition to having

    by V'Shael

    some clips from The Eleventh Hour, (which I think we'll revisit) also had that scene from the forest, where the Doctor had his jacket back on. <p> I strongly suspect that anyone who insisted that was just a continuity error, will be kicking themselves next week. <p> And I hope, that we will all appreciate what Moffat has done with his season arc.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST

    The most feared being in all the cosmos...

    by V'Shael

    The more I think about it, the more I like the idea that the Doctor is the one imprisoned in the Pandorica. And that all the ships (Daleks, cybermen, sontarans, etc...) are there to make sure he stays locked up. Naturally, they see him as the villain. <p> The Daleks used to call him Ka Faraq Gatri, which translated as Bringer of Darkness. (Though some sources suggest the correct translation is "Nice guy, if you're a biped")

  • June 13, 2010, 5:28 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by BlueLando

    If people look at this being a parallel to the first season of NuWho (Doctor meets girl. Adventures. Boyfriend threatened by Doctor. Covert codewords "Bad Wolf/Crack" in background), and villain introduced roughly halfway through), I think they'll be able to appreciate this season more. <p> Yep, my money is on The Dream Lord, or some version, being the villain. Notably because that episode was shot last. Which means they knew exactly where the season ended before they shot the 'metaphysical' episode.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    V'shael

    by notspock2

    RE: the continuity error, - i think you are right, the doctor has been making reference a lot of the time this year to doing things twice, or again...

  • June 13, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    V'Shael 2

    by BlueLando

    But the idea of his enemies having to lock him up... genius. Especially if he becomes so bad that, by proxy, they become good. <p> Could you imagine how scary it would be for The Doctor to go so batshit evil that a fucking DALEK was pushed to become an agent of good? THAT would be brilliant.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST

    One thing that occurred to me

    by 2LeggedFreak

    When the Doctor headbutts Craig and we get flashes of previous Doctors, we don't see number 1.<br /><br />Odd since he has been at the forefront of things up to now. Could the Doctors existence be being eaten away from his earliest incarnation onwards ?

  • June 13, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    NB : Most Feared in the Universe

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Doesn't have to mean the most feared by the good guys.<br /><br />I mean the Doctor pretty much has proven he scares the Daleks shitless whenever they come across him. Half the time they're too scared to even try shooting him !!!

  • June 13, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    @2leggedfreak - You DO see Doctor Number 1

    by V'Shael

    I've gone through it slowly, he's there. Between the Troughton shot, and the one of Amy floating outside the Tardis, is where the shot of Hartnell is. <p> It's not the same publicity they shot they have used over and over again.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Bugger

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Well thats that theory scuppered !!

  • June 13, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST

    It was as if RTD had come back....

    by KubricksBellEnd

    ...and I mean that in a good way. Some of the previous episodes of the Moff's first series have been a little flat, lacking warmth and genuine humanity. With this and the Vincent episodes, we are finally seeing the team hit their stride and returning to proper storytelling mode and dealing with how the Doctor affects humanity. A lot of the soul had been lost before, but at last it has returned. It is that same soul that RTD brought to the series - and that is a good thing, though I expect the die-hard, sci-fi fans without girlfriends will disagree.

  • June 13, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    But the Judoon are not villains

    by reflecto

    Overzealous, yes, but they're interstellar lawmen I believe. We last saw them working with the Shadow Proclamation to unearth the Dalek plot to steal the planets in Year 4. Under any normal circumstances the Judoon cannot be counted among DW's "villains" like Daleks and Cybermen, who would usually be their enemies, unless for some reason they have been led to believe the Doctor is a larger threat.

  • June 13, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Kubrick, you don't get it

    by reflecto

    My boyfriend agrees.

  • June 13, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST

    And this weeks winning line of dialogue is :

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "Hello, I'm Captain Troy Handsome of International Rescue. Please state the nature of your emergency"

  • June 13, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Closely followed by:

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "Well I've got one of those faces. People never stop blurting out their plans when I am around."

  • June 13, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    For the geeks! TARDIS improvement?

    by wtriker1701

    They still haven't played the joker card with the TARDIS being broken, hence it only appears as a Police Box. It was at least mentioned waaaaay back time in the old Hartnell Episodes of "The Time Meddler". <br> I'm curious if that could ever play a greater role in our Doctor's Future. <br> Imagine it: A TARDIS that blends in with the suuounding area... CGI nowerdays shouldn't present an obstacle... <p> Anyway, liked this episode. But it could have easily blended in with the RTD era. Even all the gay references in the beginning of this episode. Wonder why nobody hasn't mentioned this before... <p> Still warming up with Matt Smith, still linking this season without really lovin' it. <p> And read this: The finale really seems to throw everything but the kitchen sink against us. Just like RTD would have done. And CGI will be getting overtime - yeeeeessss!! <p> Little remark for last week's episode "Vincent And The Doctor": In RTD's run the monster would have said in the end: "I'm afraid... I'm afraid, Doctor... of the crack... It is coming!" <br> Well, and it could have worked, I believe!

  • June 13, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    @wtriker1701 : The chamelon circuit being broken

    by V'Shael

    was been mentioned lots of times in the old series. Davisons doctor went to Logopolis to help fix it, Colin Bakers doctor actually repaired it. But the Doctor has said he prefers the Police Box look, rather than the working chameleon circuit. (DoctorDonna also told him how he could fix it in the new series.) <p> There's something about the "Call here, for help" which appeals to the Doctors nature.

  • June 13, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST

    forget james corden..

    by emeraldboy

    mario rosenstock is coming to the bbc. try and track episodes of special one tv. outstanding.

  • June 13, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    That was a great episode...

    by Madmarek

    ...truly excellent. I really enjoyed it!

  • June 13, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    antepenultimatum

    by mynamesdan

    is it not, perhaps, time to call a moratorium on the word 'antepenultimate'. yes, it's a very clever word- but you can say 'second to last' and save yourself time checking the spelling. <p> also you won't look like a wanker.

  • June 13, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Richard gear raped my gerbil

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    My names comes from a line john belushi says in The Blues Brothers. You can find it when the group are together in the cocktail bar trying to recruit the old band again. kubricks bell end - Yeah i think this season will be a learning curve for the moff. RTD's first series with Ecclestone is easily the worst of all his seasons. There's only really about 4 good ep's in that whole season. I think the Moff will have learnt a lot now he's the show runner and knock it out the park next year. We know that neil gaiman is writing for who next yr (rumoured to be episode 3) and i'm sure they'll be a few more surprises! I don't know if its just me but im getting a little bored of Amy now? She was fine the first few ep's but all she does is just shout and Karen gillan shows no real range as an actress. She's good at what she does but maybe it's just the scripts.i dunno.

  • June 13, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    cordon and captain picard bust up

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Has anyone seen James cordon's and patricks stewarts awards bust up yet? Stewart came off like a complete twat..it was cringe worthy. You can find it on youtube if you missed it!

  • June 13, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    mynamesdan-

    by notspock2

    You could say second to last instead of antepenultimate, however, you'd be using the wrong word and confusing people. Second to last = penultimate. Third to last = antepenultimate.

  • June 13, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Corden doing alright for himself

    by optimus122

    http://tinyurl.com/29seqwl<p> But I didn't know about the argument he had with Stewart, which makes me hate the fat fuck. He did a decent job with the Who part though. Can't wait until next weeks episode.

  • June 13, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Amy is fine

    by optimus122

    In both looks and how she fits in with this series. I think Karen is doing a pretty good job. I would say this even if she wasn't hot, I swear.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    reflecto

    by frozen01

    For the record, this fangirl's head would not "do in". Tennant's actually my least favorite of the three nu-Who Doctors. That's not to say he didn't do a fine job, I just prefer Smith and Eccleston.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Amy

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The Pond was too shrill in this episode..not a very will written character at all unfortunately.<br /><br />On the Corden/Stewart bust up it was Patrick Stewart who instigated hostilities but what soured me was Cordens aggressive response. Somebody with a bit more in the comedy chops department would have laughed it off and kept it light.<br /><br />Corden obviously had the audience on his side but instead of using this to be confident and professional he decided to go for an old bloke with no obvious comedy talent and destroy him in front of a baying mob. Really poor form.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Worst episode ever.

    by Smashing

    Well at least of this awful season. Its like a bad dream, Who has gone from must see to must be avoided. Pointless, rubbish, self serving tripe. The story had more holes than Cordens skill set and the head butt joke was flat out fucking stupid.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    notspock2 well now who's the wanker..

    by mynamesdan

    ..oh, it's me?

  • June 13, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    The football started after Who was finished.

    by Smashing

    I watched both. The football was better. Though seeing our media try to shrug off America holding us to a draw by suggesting it was all just because of a goalie error is laughable. America is a decent team now and should be recognised for it.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    itv has him for the world cup..

    by emeraldboy

    while england are in it. and he is on sky one also. I cant explain james corden popularity. I was never really a huge fan of gavin and stacey. nor was I fan of his ex-comedy partner Matthew Horne. oh and its Sir Patrick Stewart. he got knighted on the queens birthday honours list.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    here is what to do..

    by emeraldboy

    ignore the itv and bbc football punditry. ireland has the best football panel. last nights panel savaged the england and one of them Graham Souness. who said he couldnt believe how bad england were. while on ITV it was the usual contractual patriotism. which is a sham. at least with ireland's panel they say what they think.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Smashing! For shame!!

    by spud mcspud

    You disliked the episode that was the most like RTD's style? Shameless over-emotional content? SF sidelined in favour of soap opera-style storylining? And you didn't like this? Why??<P> Though I DO agree about the headbutt thing. Dumbass idea to begin with. But considering Corden was in it - someone I think has only got as far as he has in TV comedy because he's so ready to laugh at his own obesity, which is also pretty much the only thing he's funny at (witness the staggeringly unfunny post-match thing he did on ITV last night) - I still thoroughly enjoyed last night's show - yes, mainly because it was Matt Smith's episode from start to finish.<P> Ah well. The finale looks fucking AMAZING...

  • June 13, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Though I do agree, Smashing...

    by spud mcspud

    ...The USA's defence was a hell of a thing. They do need to be a bit more lauded for how they played - keeping our forwards away from the goal as much as they did is no fluke. Green's spectacular fuck-up aside, that was a great match.

  • June 13, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Smashing

    by optimus122

    Its taken forever for the US team to get this competitive so thanks for the kind words heh. Soccer is growing in this country, more then 100,000 tickets were sold to US citizens to go watch the WC live. Thats more then any other country except South Africa I believe.

  • June 13, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    So Corden was

    by optimus122

    in the right against the Captain? Why did Patrick start in with the guy anyway? Was he joking, was this a gag?

  • June 13, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I'm waiting for the DOCTOR WHO game to finish installing

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    And all you people can entertain me with is World Cup comments?<p>For shame!

  • June 13, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Can't play the Who game

    by optimus122

    I'm a Yank...its IP protected and I can't seem to find a hacked version heh..not that I have looked all that hard. Heard the game is pretty bad.

  • June 13, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/26u8r8j

    by optimus122

    Dizzee Rascal + James Corden - Shout

  • June 13, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I'm waiting for the DOCTOR WHO game to finish installing

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    And all you people can entertain me with is World Cup comments?<p>For shame!

  • June 13, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Whoops. Double post.

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • June 13, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Smith vs Hartnell's TARDIS...

    by Kelvington

    Here they are side by side, they are very similar, but not identical. However, the seal is on both and the rubbish windows.<P><P> http://tinyurl.com/2dfucsw

  • June 13, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    River Song...

    by Kelvington

    It's been mentioned that she was in prison for killing a man. Maybe she does kill the Doctor here in the coming weeks. If we see the military priest again, I'm thinking it's very true.<P><P> A couple of thoughts come to mind, what if Song kills all the previous incarnations of the Doctor, and this makes Smith Doctor 1 again. History is re-written, previous stories don't exist, etc.<P><P>Or maybe the big bad in the box, is Peter Cushing's Doctor and this is a way to make the Dalek movies of the 1960's canon.<P><P>Pandoric seems to be a play on the term Pandora, and there is a big box there. Once opened, it let's shit out.<P><P>I also think the last episode is the Doctor-less episode, since the description says... the TARDIS has been destroyed, the Doctor is gone... etc.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Okay, I'm already stuck on this bloody game

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    How do I get the car to roll down and destroy the wood boarding up the underground entrance?<p>I do like the pre-credits scene before the game starts. Makes it seem much like a real episode and the title sequence is identical to the tv show. So that's good.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Knighting...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Who gets knighted these days and why? All we ever hear about here are actors getting knighted, do people who actually deserve the honor get knighted, or does the Queen think acting is the height of chivalry?

  • June 13, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Knighthood... and honours...

    by Kelvington

    The media is to blame for the coverage of mostly "famous" people being shown as getting honours. However, there are many, many non-celebrity types whom receive them.<P><P> http://tinyurl.com/yb3ggk7<P><P> There's a pdf there that lists them all.<P><P> http://tinyurl.com/ybmufn4

  • June 13, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Spoilers

    by HornOrSilk

    Description for The Big Bang talks about how the "Doctor is missing" and the TARDIS has been destroyed. So this is what we are to look forward to.<br><br> I am getting a "Zagreus" feel to all of this. I think the Doctor is going to have something happen to him where he goes temporally insane, and River Song has to "kill him." How? She sends him into the crack in time. Then he comes back to himself, and is going through time, to the different points of time where the crack is (including stories we have seen) before being recovered. I also think it might be River who was trying to make a TARDIS. <br><br> Beyond that, I hope we see Chelonians!

  • June 13, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Richard

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Go around to the Dalek side of the taxi and push it. Its all about picking a path around the green scan range of the Daleks.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I CHALLENGE THE AICN WRITERS TO TALKBACK MORE OFTEN

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • June 13, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Is Doctor Who REAL!!!!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Well no obviously not...this is quite fun in a desperate newspaper story kind of way though:<br /><br />http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2982917/Who-painted-the-Dr-in-a-cave-in-5000BC.html

  • June 13, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Kelvington

    by optimus122

    Ughhh you spoiled me with that description heh..not that I didn't figure something would be amiss with the Tardis but oh well..serves me right for reading the talkbacks. I never read the descriptions that are more then 1 episode ahead.

  • June 13, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Optimus122... my bad, I should have said spoiler...

    by Kelvington

    I apologize.

  • June 13, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    2LeggedFreak...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    tinyurl FFS?!?!<p> Neat link though.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I personally think...

    by damned-dirty-ape

    It will be the Valeyard regarding the Pandoricum. We've constantly had images of the past doctors this series, so why not the doctors future at the series end? It would also explain the future of the TARDIS.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    No worrys K

    by optimus122

    Your one of my favorite posters in these Who talkbacks. <p> BTW thanks a lot to whoever talked me into watching the UK version of Life on Mars. Blows away the US version. Hunt is hysterical. " Don't fret Phyliss.. it's him, Lt Uhura ". Funny stuff. And I love that the Master is Sam Tyler.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Shock Horror - James Corden in Not Shit role.

    by Shuggy Boy

    Surprisingly the fat annoying cunt was half decent for once. Unlike in his World Cup programme when I just wanted to smash the twat with a brick!!!! At Least America got an equaliser last night - that wiped the smile off the fat fuck's face!!!! :) (Can you tell I'm Scottish? LOL)

  • June 13, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Heh, someone else is a Bowie fan

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    But "series" finale? They aren't making any more Doctor Who's? Or do you mean it in the Brit sense, where each (what we yanks would call a) "season" is called a "series"?

  • June 13, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Karen Gillan...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...Sadly, she's not much of an actress, but hey, she's young, maybe there's room for improvement? (I hope). She's as cute as all hell, though.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    NUMBER ONE TALKBACK

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Yeah.<p>We rock.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It's meant in the Brit sense. For the Yanks, it would be a season finale.<p>There will always be more Who!

  • June 13, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    GAME OF THRONES MINI TEASER 15min B4 TRUEBLOOD 2NITE!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • June 13, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I HATE BEING TEASED

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    But I am curious about the Game Of Thrones adaption.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Game of Thrones teaser? I am SO there.

    by V'Shael

    Along with The Walking Dead, I think this is THE show to keep an eye on. It could be awesome.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    penhapus - regenerations

    by Shuggy Boy

    I'm in pedantic mode tonight :) There have been 11 Doctors but only 10 regenerations. William hartnell was not a regeneration (well as far as we know so far - jusy ignore Brain of Morbius that was just a BBC in-joke)

  • June 13, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    V'Shael - Logopolis

    by Shuggy Boy

    It was Tom Baker that went to Logopolis - regenerated into Peter Davison who then went to Castrovalva

  • June 13, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    @Shuggy Boy - Yes indeed, my mistake.

    by V'Shael

    Complete brain fart on my part. For some reason, I was remembering a scene where Davidson talked about going to Logopolis to get it fixed, (forgetting that the scene came from Castrovalva itself, and was meant to be ironic or something in the episode. Showed how bad his memory was.) <p> So I have to wonder, what the hell is *my* excuse? Where's a zero room when I need one...

  • June 13, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Lost

    by optimus122

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291 <p> Lots of stuff that I forgot and apparently so did the show runners heh.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    That LOST clip is very dense (packed) but

    by V'Shael

    many of those questions were answered (such as why Mickhail was so difficult to kill). <p> So I'll put that in the pile of people who still wonder about the Soprano's finale..

  • June 13, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    optimus122 and others

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    I love Stewart but he came off like a complete fucking twat at that awards show. I actually thought corden handled the situation really well basically letting Stewart die on stage all by himself. Stewart instigated all the hostilities and none of it was funny or called for. The Jonas brothers comment was particulary cringe worthy..just look at cordens face at the back when he says it and the audience reaction as well.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    V'Shael -

    by DoctorTom

    Wasn't Ka Faraq Gatri translated as "The Oncoming Storm"? Or was it the Sontarans that called him the Oncoming Storm? I can't quite recall now. I think you're probably right about the Doctor being the thing that's locked up in the Pandorica. One other thing that they quoted in the trailer was the line about "Silence will fall". It caught my attention watching The Hungry Earth that the 11th Doctor likes to tell people to shut up, so that he can have silence while he's thinking. Maybe this was a clue. I doubt it's Tennant who's in there, though (like some others have been hypothesizing). More likely it's a future Doctor locked up in there, as that's the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey type of thing that Moffat likes to do. (And I suspect that River Song will kill the Pandorica version of the Doctor, which will get her thrown into Stormraven somehow). Of course, if it's not the Doctor in then maybe we can look forward to an adaptation of/riff off of the Alien Bodies novel. I'd love to see Matt Smith showing up at an auction and finding out that it's for his future corpse.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Ka Faraq Gatri wasn't "The Oncoming Storm"

    by V'Shael

    Ka Faraq Gatri comes from the Sylvester McCoy era, and the Oncoming Storm was from the RTD era. There are several wiki entries covering both terms.

  • Possibly...

  • June 13, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by optimus122

    You have to admit a lot of that stuff wasn't answered (most of it pretty meaningless stuff though) but yes quite a bit of it was. What is the reason Mikhail was hard to kill, I forgot heh.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    And Candy

    by optimus122

    I am shocked that Stewart would act that way, never seen him make an ass of himself in public. I am shocked he didn't already apologize. What was the Jonas brothers comment? I guess I should watch the video but I really don't want to see Steward act like that.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    @Optimus122 - The island had healing properties

    by V'Shael

    most everyone found that injuries healed faster than normal, plus he could have been a candidate. (Can't remember if he was at that point, or not, but would seem plausible.)

  • June 13, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Thanks m8

    by optimus122

    BTW I am a huge Lost fan and would be glued to the tv if they did make any sort of sequel to it. I think they will down the road. A Hurley-Ben ran island would be a lot of fun though they would need to find a new bad guy.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Confidential

    by Shuggy Boy

    Can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet. Best Doc Who Confidential Ever!!! Obviously timed for the World Cup. How good was the highlights of The Doctor's debut for The King's Arms? For our American Friends (GO! GO! USA) therw was a segment where they showed the Doctor's football (soccer LOL) game as a BBC Sports report. Brilliant.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    SIX DAYS UNTIL THE PANDORICA OPENS!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Six days until our next Doctor Who talkback!<p>Six days until our next Doctor Dan review!<p>...And twenty days until my holiday.<p>

  • June 13, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Maybe we'll get more than one review next week.

    by V'Shael

    If you look at the Season 5 trailer, it's amazing how much footage from the finale is in it.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Only if Doctor Dan writes more than one review

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Ha ha! (I was going for an Eleventh Doctor laugh here)

  • June 13, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    V'Shael, so why was Mikail so hard to kill?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    I've watched every episode, I never got an answer. What'd I miss? Don't tell me it was answered in an inverview with those two idiots Cuse and Lideloff where they joked that he was "like a cockroach" or some such inane shit, though. Not an acceptable answer!

  • June 13, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    GereRapedMyGerbil, thanks!

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...and sorry about you guy's shitty goalie. Sucks, dude.

  • June 13, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by gotilk

    If you do not have it all figured out, I hope they hire you to have it all figured out for them next time 'round. If it plays out that way, we're in for a great 2-parter (maybe cliffhanger of sorts).

  • June 13, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I'm American, and I love the new Doctor Who!

    by strosmer

    Just wanted to say that.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Lets go Celtics!

  • June 14, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    OMFG next week looks awesome

    by alexgk

    Seriously, next week looks epic!! Stonehenge? niice..almost looked like a movie trailer in bits. And for this week, I thought it was a very enjoyable episode. Was cool to see the Doctor playing football and trying to fit in. Some suspense when a certain someone was going upstairs..actually twice. Not my favorite but a solide episode.

  • June 14, 2010, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Stephen Moffat >>>>>>>>> Russell T Davies

    by TheWaqman

    and I think it goes without saying that Smith and Pond > Tennant and his companions and Eccleston and Rose.

  • June 14, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    The Doctor is gone, the Tardis has been destroyed, and the unive

    by HornOrSilk

    The only hope for all reality is a little girl who still believes in stars, as this series of Doctor Who concludes with an episode written by Steven Moffat.

  • June 14, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    The Doctors regeneration limit.

    by V'Shael

    Steven Moffat had said at some point over the course of the series (maybe someone else can find the clip/source) that the issue of the regeneration limit was addressed by a friend of his, with an almost casual throw-away line.<br /><br />Some people took this to mean Richard Curtis, but there was no reference in Vincent and the Doctor about regenerations. And since he is the only person writing the last two episodes, what could he have meant?<br /><br />Is it possible that he was referring to a Season 6 episode?

  • June 14, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Interesting to find there exists someone who can claim "Love And Monsters" to be a 'favourite' episode. You, sir, are a rarity. I'm not a big fan of blowjob jokes in Doctor Who episodes, but i'm glad there is an audience for them!

  • June 14, 2010, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Not so simple TheWaqman

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I don't agree with the whole one-is-better-than-the-other argument. For me, both have their strong points. I admit that RTD wrote some terrible episodes but there's no denying that he succeeded in creating characters which are identifiable to the audience. Two episodes with Rose and you knew exactly who she was and why she would travel around with The Doctor. He was also very good at creating supporting characters that stood out. It's in the plotting that he fell down (and where Moffat stands up). I feel Moffat has a much better grasp of story (even if he seems to need a two-parter in order to tell it), but doesn't quite succeed when it comes to characters. I still have no idea who Amy is.<p>As great as I think Smith is, he hasn't yet ecclipsed Tennant yet for me. Still, there are those who are hailing him as the best Doctor EVER. I feel it's too soon for such statements really, and generally preferred Ten's more emotional character to Eleven's scholarly personality.

  • June 14, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    @Richard_Gere : I think you *might* be exaggerating

    by V'Shael

    slightly when it comes to "Two episodes with Rose and you knew exactly who she was and why she would travel around with The Doctor."<br /><br />I don't know if that's just a rose coloured view of the past (pardon the pun) but come on, two episodes in we knew very little about Rose Tyler.<br /><br />I mean, in "Fathers Day", even the Doctor points out that she said "no" to space ship, but ran in when she heard it was a Time Machine. And he wonders if she was playing the long game with him, in an attempt to get to see/rescue her father.<br /><br />It was actually episodes like Fathers Day which did far more to define Rose as a character, than "Rose" and "The End of the world".

  • June 14, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    You're right V'Shael

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    But my point still stands that Rose's character was a lot easier to define than Amy's.

  • June 14, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Who?

    by Dancingforever

    The episode was brilliant. A few things. For those complaining about not knowing who Amy is, as many in the spoiler community would say, wait till the series wraps up and you might understand why her motivation has been so clouded. Moffit is a country mile better than RTD, it’s not even close. Smith and Baker are neck and neck right now. Smith could easily eclipse him given enough time, he’s wonderful. One thing, the goof here who always sends in his reviews, Doctor Dan or whoever. Sir it’s becoming quite obvious that you are watching less and less of the show and focusing on your review and the speed at which you can submit it. Over the last 3 weeks there have been glaring oversights in your reviews and plot points you are completely missing no doubt so you can polish up your thoughts and enjoy the glory of submitting first. Do us all a favor, let some other folks get their reviews in. I would love to see well thought out reviews and great analysis over a hack job just so some lonely fellow can get the tremendous high of seeing his name in lights on AiCN.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I got it!

    by V'Shael

    Over on some of the other forums, they have been going on and on about something we all missed in The Eleventh Hour. <p> The production team know we've seen the 1990 on the badge, and the shadow in the house while young Amy waits outside. But apparently there was something else important. Something we all missed. <p> And I think I've got it. <p> "I don't have a Mum and Dad. Just an Aunt." <br> "I don't even have an Aunt."<br> "You're lucky."<br> "I know.<br> <p> Now compare that with this : <p> "I use to hate apples. My mum put faces on them."<br> "She sounds really good, your mum." <p> NOTICE EVERYTHING. SEE EVERYTHING.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    something else I've just got...

    by sam jacksons wig

    The new Lodger episode- the Doctor is in with the make-shift TARDIS and the auto pilot says<br><br> The correct pilot has been found. The correct pilot has been found. <br><br> The Doctor then says to Amy "APPARENTLY I'M THE NEW PILOT..."<br><br> Bit of a difference between the NEW and the CORRECT.....The machine recognised the Doctors genetics as the correct pilot!!!! Oh MOFF! You sly old dog!!!<br><br> THE VALEYARD ANYONE??????? And it strengthens the posibilities of the Doctor/version of him being trapped in the Pandorica, and the destroyed TARDIS being the machine that escaped from the roof.....<br><br> thoughts anyone?????

  • June 14, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    HornOrSilk is back!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    With a vengeance! And he's being NICE this time!!!!!!

  • June 14, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I really hope some of this speculation is true

    by Evilmeister

    Even if not, I still have faith that we are in for a superb series finale.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    V'Shael- good point!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Not sure if I am clutching at straws here, but in Episode 1 when little Amelia gives the Docor the apple, does the carved mouth resemble the crack in time?<br><br> Oh man! Two episodes to go and my brain is starting to work over time exploring EVERY possibility!

  • June 14, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    FIVE DAYS UNTIL THE PANDORICA OPENS!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Interesting points V'Shael and Sam Jackson's Wig.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Reviews and Dancingforever....

    by Kelvington

    I would like to say we all pound our keyboards pretty quick to get our reviews done. I'm not sure why DD's have been the only one featured as of late, but because of the talkbacks we can all have a good go at putting our reviews up.<P><P>I also post mine on my Facebook page a few other places. As for DD's reviews, they are what they are, I try very hard not to piss on other people's views or reviews because I have my own.<P><P>There's no formal process here, Herc has never asked me for my review, I just send it to him and occasionally he posts it. For which I'm grateful.<P><P>Reviews are a lot like turds in a punchbowl they all stink, and they all upset the taste of the punch.<P><P>If you look back at my reviews of Who from 2005 forward you will see I do, less and less recap, and more discussion of concepts and production.<P><P>The bottom line is we all review in different ways, I never begrudge DD for his getting up "above the fold" so to speak. I just mostly enjoy the talkbalks and theories and speculation as much as writing a good review. It's what makes this talkback so much fun... that and being right a good bit of the time. LOL

  • June 14, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Amy in a nutshell

    by frozen01

    There is a lot of mystery surrounding Amy... her parents, her aunt, why she can't remember the Daleks, etc... but so far as a character, I understand her motivations. I particularly love the scene just before Amy officially joins Team TARDIS where she tells the Doctor "You're so sure I'm coming?" (paraphrasing) to which he responds that she's lived in Leadworth (?) all this time and still has that Scottish accent. "Yeeeeeeeeah, you're coming." She's a girl without a family and without a home, really, and she's terrified of attachment or connection to ANYTHING (a person, a place, etc., which is what the Doctor's comment meant - even after all this time she hasn't become attached to her "home" or the people who live there... it's just a roof over her head, a place she exists until something better comes along). Life just sort of happens to her and she goes with the flow. Rory was an anchor of sorts, her (lousy) attempt to make a home for herself. The stiffness felt between the two is not poor acting or writing, it's that he has lived a relatively normal life, and she has not. This makes for very bizarre relationships that appear cold on the outside. Amy is searching for a foundation, and the tragedy of her character is she will never find one.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    sam jackson

    by frozen01

    I think that's an indication that this is a very good series/season :)

  • June 14, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    frozen01

    by sam jacksons wig

    Sorry mate, I'm having a "Joey" moment and trying to watch Japan vs Cameroon without falling asleep with boredom! <br><br> Which comment were you referring to, my friend?

  • June 14, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    sam

    by frozen01

    Not a problem. I probably should have been more specific, but I'm not a morning person so I'm going to blame it on that :) <p>"Oh man! Two episodes to go and my brain is starting to work over time exploring EVERY possibility!" is the comment I was replying to.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    V'Shael-

    by sam jacksons wig

    "and the shadow in the house while young Amy waits outside."<br><br> Wasn't that prisoner Zero running through the house, as the previous shot showed the door to its room open? Or is something else being inferred I may have missed?

  • June 14, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    frozen01

    by sam jacksons wig

    No worries mate! It's 4.10pm here in the UK and believe me, I'm neither a mornng OR afternoon person! Responding to your statement- YES! AWESOME SEASON ARC BY THE MOFF! Let's just hope the payoff lives up to our expectations and speculations.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    sam

    by frozen01

    10:20am here in the Chicago area and I'm stuck in my cubicle which doesn't help the brain-turning-to-slush issue *LOL*. <p>This is the first time, of any show or any season, that I've actually wanted to watch the episodes over and over again. It's been lovely and layered and a bit more cerebral, and I've adored nearly every moment, especially Matt Smith's portrayal! Temper the speculations and excitement, hun, and I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy the finale :)

  • June 14, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    @Sam Jacksons wig - No, it's not Prisoner Zero.

    by V'Shael

    I think we all thought that, when seeing the episode for the first time. Before we got all the theories about there being a second Doctor revisiting scenes from the season.<br /><br />The reasoning goes like this. The shadowy figure is in shot for about 16 frames, but the last one or two definitely show a hand/sleeve. Prisoner Zero could only take a human shape after forming some sort of psychic connection with an unconscious mind. Without that, it was basically a snake with teeth and a perception filter.<br /><br />So, if the Prisoner escaped into Amy's house, it may not have had time to take a humanoid shape. (The Doctor does imply it would take a long time to build that sort of connection.) But the shadow in the house looks very humanoid.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Anyone have a pic of this shadow?

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Or a link to where this theory started?

  • June 14, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    V'Shael- oh bugger.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Just watched it again and I can be totally honest and say that although I believe I have picked up a few bits and bobs throughout the season, I TOTALLY missed the ball on that one! <br><br> I honestly thought that it was prisoner Zero, and the returning Doctor nver took me back to that moment. But it makes sense- "Remember what I told you when you were a little girl..."

  • June 14, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    frozen01

    by sam jacksons wig

    I do feel for you stuck in your cubicle! Chin up! If it's 9 to 5 then only about 6 more hours to go! ;) <br><br> I can honestly say that a season of Who hasn't taxed me as much for a loooooooong time, and I'm enjoying all of the speculation. V'Shael has just pointed out something I missed, and that was way back in Episode 1. Off work erm..."sick" at the moment (and that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the World Cup...ahem...)so Ihave plenty of time to ruminate on things....

  • June 14, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    "I use to hate apples. My mum put faces on them."

    by HornOrSilk

    I think the point is -- she is reminded of her mom and that she lost her mom. It was something special given to her by her mom, and doesn't want to lose it.

  • June 14, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    HornOrSilk

    by sam jacksons wig

    Are you talking about the actual apple, there? It looked rather "fresh" for someone who we were led to believe didn't have any parents. (by Amelias actual words- I don't have a mum or dad, just an aunt.)<br><br> Or are you talking about the idea of carving on the apple, which I am presuming that Amelia did herself?

  • June 14, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    sam

    by frozen01

    Yes, only! *LOL* <p>I saw that comment, and my jaw appropriately hit the floor. :) This is why I want to re-watch these episodes so badly. I'm notorious for missing things like that (although on this one I don't feel so bad... "16 frames"? Serious props to V'Shael!) <p>Just a boring day at work for me, you lucky dog :) And I'm ashamed to say that the England v. US game this past weekend is the first time I've ever seen a football/soccer match (I'd like to blame that on being a girl, but I don't think I'm allowed to, so I'll just blame it on being American). I can see why you all like it so much :)

  • June 14, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by HornOrSilk

    I figured her aunt continued the tradition, though she herself doesn't like apples anymore.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Nice to see some US fans around here

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I sometimes worry that Doctor Who might be a bit too British for other countries. Good to see that's not the case.<p>I have criticisms over the current series, but two things I have NO criticism of are:<P>* Matt Smith. The boy has done great work this season. It really does seem as though he's an old man trapped in a young man's body. Must be really annoying, mustn't it? Imagine having all of that experience, and yet people look at you as though you're a clueless young man. I feel that's why Eleven is often quite grumpy!<p>* Moffat's arc. Initially I criticised the arc as being nothing more than "Spot the crack!" but it's grown to become something a lot greater than that. If all of the theories are to be believed (i.e "The Two Doctors In The Forest", "The Unseen Visit To Young Amy" etc), we're going to look back over the season with a newfound appreciation upon watching the finale.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    @SkidMarkUndies - The shadow

    by V'Shael

    Look at this video clip.<br> http://tinyurl.com/32t9aey <p> You can fast forward to the relevant bit by using the mouse slider. It's at 15 minutes 54 seconds.

  • June 14, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    O.T Any chance of a "Persons Unknown" TB, Herc?

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    The pilot was pretty cool.

  • June 14, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Richard

    by frozen01

    Not at all. We figured out years ago that "torch" means "flashlight" ;) But bless you for thinking of us. We don't often enough return the favor, I'm afraid. <p>Couldn't agree more on your two points, though!

  • June 14, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I'm a little worried ...( SPOILER!!)

    by 2LeggedFreak

    that people are really over thinking this finale.<br /><br />I hope its as clever as we are anticipating but I do worry that the Big Bang synopsis resonates very closely with Last of the Time Lords:<br /><br />The Doctor is gone, the Tardis has been destroyed, and the universe is collapsing. The only hope for all reality is a little girl who still believes in stars, as this series of Doctor Who concludes with an episode written by Steven Moffat.<br /><br />Change that to The Doctor has been turned into a little elf and you are not far away.<br /><br />Hope its not a rehash of earlier shenanigans.<br />

  • June 14, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    2LeggedFreak -

    by V'Shael

    All the finales have let me down, but I'm not worried about this one, because I do believe Moffat is a fantastic plotter.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    2Legged

    by sam jacksons wig

    If you think that he has this arc to explain and all of the loose ends to tie up (doc in the forest, Amy and the invisible daleks et.c)it should be a hell of a ride! I trust him not to let us all down. It may not be exactly what we all sumise, and not all of us will (inevitably) be happy, but I reckon its gonna bea hell of a ride!<br><br> And we have Rory to bring back- misplaced in time by that pesky crack??????

  • June 14, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    It's 9.15 pm in the UK.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and as us Brits are winding down for the evening, my heart goes out to Frozen01 who, in Chicago at 3.15pm is still hard at work in her cubicle! ;)GO FOR IT!!!

  • June 14, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    No, THIS is Amy in a nutshell.

    by satansteve

    *Amy stares intently at the inside of the shell" Ah thankyuh.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Also....

    by satansteve

    Have to say all the conjecture is making me giddy with anticipation. I'm lucky in the sense that I actually have less time to wait than the rest of you (only just watched it, I know, forshame. Busy weekend) but jahaysis christ. My money's on the Valeyard. Best. Season. Ever.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Man, these new AICN adverts are scaring the shit outta me

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    They start without your pointer being anywhere near them, so I'm browing the TB when suddenly some woman starts going on about Air Wick or whatever.<p>I'd wish they'd sod off.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Man, these new AICN adverts are scaring the shit outta me

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    They start without your pointer being anywhere near them, so I'm browing the TB when suddenly some woman starts going on about Air Wick or whatever.<p>I wish they'd sod off.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    So much so that I'm double posting

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • June 14, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    sam

    by frozen01

    Awwwwwww, I feel so loved :) Good night, hope you had fun being "sick", and good luck with that World Cup thing ;)

  • June 14, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    SPOILER ........

    by livrule

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Pandorica is EMPTY. Its waiting for the Dr. to be placed inside.

  • June 14, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    bylivrule

    by emeraldboy

    oooooh,,,,,,,,,,

  • June 14, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    "Remember what I told you when you were a little girl..."

    by -Halfscan-

    maybe this "...(the crack)was created by two parts of space and time that should never have touched... pressed together". I'd love for the box to open and out pops McGann as the 8th Doctor and finally close up some of the continuity mess he creates.. then give him a proper death/regen sendoff.

  • June 14, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Interesting to note,

    by -Halfscan-

    donning my tinfoil hat, that McGann was in Lesbian Vampires Killers last year with James Cordon (who starred in last weeks Who, "Lodger")...

  • June 14, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ***POTENTIAL MASSIVE SPOILERS*** BEWARE!!!

    by BeingBoiled

    Seriously... DO NOT READ ON if you wish to remain totally surprised and unspoiled for the finale... Okie dokie then... last chance... Looks like livrule and others may be on to something. Some nifty concept art just leaked out, and does indeed seem to support the theory mentioned above that all of the Doctor's enemies may be converging to lock him up... or at least to try and insure that he possibly remains that way once trapped in the Pandorica. Check out these pics (especially the last one): http://tinyurl.com/2f32ay3 http://tinyurl.com/27h25q9 http://tinyurl.com/39znog7 And it looks like the Pandorica is actually hidden away under Stonehenge itself. Also - re-referencing this leaked image from a few weeks back that was also posted here: http://tinyurl.com/33xz237 It would appear that the Doctor is being helplessly dragged towards the Pandorica, with the intent of him being locked inside (notice that it is opened in the background). So... the Pandorica opening and silence falling would indeed seem to be the Doctor getting locked away in this "prison-box of legend." However, I'm still curious as to whether something else comes OUT before the Doctor goes IN. But I'm guessing not. It seems perfectly plausible now that the existence/construction, etc. of the Pandorica is merely purposed towards banishing the Doctor and nothing more. A trap to end all traps, intended to vanquish his meddling and the 'would-be threat' he potentially poses to all life forms, alien or otherwise. We shall see. And also... do the droves of old and new foes amassed together blow up the TARDIS once he is imprisoned? Or does that occur due to something else involved? Still plenty of big questions left on the table here. Oh - and axcel1, if you're reading this by chance - looks like Rory is back for the 2-parter - just perhaps not like everyone thought. He's rumored to be a Roman soldier. So, if true, that should be interesting. Looks like Van Gogh and Amy's mom are also involved in some capacity as well. I really feel that this finale will lay total waste to every RTD finale we've gotten up to now. Count on it. The Moff is golden. And disappointment seems highly unlikely, IMO.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    ***POTENTIAL MASSIVE SPOILERS*** BEWARE!!!

    by BeingBoiled

    Ugh, lol... sorry to all for the messy post!<br><br> Re-posting this info cleaned up for anyone interested... I'm new to posting and didn't realize how damned old-school AICN is with HTML breaks, lol...<br><br> Seriously... DO NOT READ ON if you wish to remain totally surprised and unspoiled for the finale...<br><br> Okie dokie then... last chance...<br><br> Looks like livrule and others may be on to something. Some nifty concept art just leaked out, and does indeed seem to support the theory mentioned above that all of the Doctor's enemies may be converging to lock him up... or at least to try and insure that he possibly remains that way once trapped in the Pandorica.<br><br> Check out these pics (especially the last one):<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/2f32ay3<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/27h25q9<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/39znog7<br><br> And it looks like the Pandorica is actually hidden away under Stonehenge itself.<br><br> Also - re-referencing this leaked image from a few weeks back that was also posted here:<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/33xz237<br><br> It would appear that the Doctor is being helplessly dragged towards the Pandorica, with the intent of him being locked inside (notice that it is opened in the background).<br><br> So... the Pandorica opening and silence falling would indeed seem to be the Doctor getting locked away in this "prison-box of legend."<br><br> However, I'm still curious as to whether something else comes OUT before the Doctor goes IN. But I'm guessing not. It seems perfectly plausible now that the existence/construction, etc. of the Pandorica is merely purposed towards banishing the Doctor and nothing more. A trap to end all traps, intended to vanquish his meddling and the 'would-be threat' he potentially poses to all life forms, alien or otherwise. We shall see.<br><br> And also... do the droves of old and new foes amassed together blow up the TARDIS once he is imprisoned? Or does that occur due to something else involved? Still plenty of big questions left on the table here.<br><br> Oh - and axcel1, if you're reading this by chance - looks like Rory is back for the 2-parter - just perhaps not like everyone thought. He's rumored to be a Roman soldier. So, if true, that should be interesting. Looks like Van Gogh and Amy's mom are also involved in some capacity as well.<br><br> I really feel that this finale will lay total waste to every RTD finale we've gotten up to now. Count on it. The Moff is golden. And disappointment seems highly unlikely, IMO.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Also, just wanted to say...

    by BeingBoiled

    I've been lurking on these talkbacks for YEARS. Started reading them not long after Tennant began his run and it has been ritualistic for me with each season to follow many of the folks on here and their points of view, critiques, and so on. I always enjoy reading everyone's input.<br><br> Been a die-hard Whovian since I was about 8 or 9 years old (32 next month), so I've been immersed in the grand mythos for some time. And I love it all. Even the warts and blemishes. (though I must admit Journey's End did get me pretty hopping mad overall, lol)<br><br> All the conjecture and excitement that has built this year with the Moff's first run finally made me dive into the mix. Couldn't resist any more, with all the buzz leading up to this Saturday (and the next).<br><br> So Cheers to all. Looking forward to getting to know some of you better in the years to come when talking all things Who... and perhaps beyond!

  • June 14, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    So . . . <SPOILERS>

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    If the Doctor is locked in the Pandorica, how does he go back in time along this season's events and interject himself twice over? Perhaps the Pandorica does it for him?

  • June 14, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    @V'Shael:

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    OMG! There is a shadow with a jacket on!! WTF does it mean?!?! LOL!

  • June 14, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    I love the conjecture...but....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...but I can't help but feel that things like a shadow wearing a jacket is too subtle (and too short!) to have that much read into it. Only us diehards would even be aware of something like that, and me only just now as I read it here, the general viewing audience isn't going to remember a 16 frame shadow from episode 1 anymore than they caught the jacketed arm in Angels.<p> Alas, I think too much is being read into these little tidbits, but I will cum in my pants if you guys are right!

  • June 15, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    hmmmmmmm (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    That last image of the doc being dragged towards what look to be the Pandorica- do you think that River Song set the Doctor up?<br><br> She has the potential to..."he said you'd killed a man..." Just food for thought IMHO.

  • June 15, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    The jacket/no jacket

    by Evilmeister

    Is almost like a diversion - I think what sets that scene apart and makes me think it really is a second doctor is the dialog. Even when I watched it the first time it felt different and seperate from the conversation they were already having.<br><br> In fact when u think about it, it doesnt actually make a great deal of sense within the existing scene.<br>

  • June 15, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    THREE DAYS UNTIL THE PANDORICA OPENS!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • June 15, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Jacket in Flesh and Stone

    by frozen01

    I'm with Evilmeister. I'd heard the jacket thing, but what really convinced me was how one second the Doctor just pats Amy on the head and says "Later" and then the next second he's desperate-sounding and kissing her on the forehead. <p>Though I did hear he had a different watch on, too :)

  • June 15, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Future Doctor visited Van Gogh?

    by atelesfor

    The transition between "I want to be left alone with my depression" Van Gogh and "Life is great, let's go paint a church/fight a monster" Van Gogh could be the mood swing of a manic-depressive OR it could be due to a visit by the future Doctor...

  • June 15, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    BeingBoiled, yes, I am reading this..........................

    by axcel1

    I always check this talkback every day. Thank you for the info on Rory. Like eveyone else, I am wondering what's going to happen in three days. I'm betting this 2-part series (season) finale will be the greatest since Doctor Who returned in 2005.

  • June 15, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Amy Pond "forgets" Future Doctor

    by atelesfor

    In the "Beast Below", it looks like a very upset Amy chooses to "forget" all about Spaceship UK..but what if a future Doctor visited her in the booth and revealed something really disturbing about the past Doctor. It would make sense then for her to "never tell the Doctor" and to press "forget" ;)

  • June 15, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    what does all this about what happend about

    by emeraldboy

    about that wrap scene. in season three. where there was dr one and dr two. the real and the fake one. the one would would die eventually and the one who would regenerate into matt smith.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    And emeraldboy wonders why we think he drinks

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • June 15, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    @EmeraldBoy - I think you mean Season 4?

    by V'Shael

    The one with the human metacrisis Doctor and the Time Lord?<br /><br />This has nothing to do with that. <br /><br />The human version of the Doctor is locked away in a parallel universe, and to all intents and purposes, is never appearing in the show again.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by frozen01

    And thank Santa for that! ;)

  • June 15, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I was trying to figure out

    by emeraldboy

    who the person who is steeped in 8 centuries.of galatic blood..is

  • June 15, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    @Emeraldboy - Well, do you realise

    by V'Shael

    that your post was almost impossible to understand? And where do you get the centuries from?

  • June 15, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    metacrisis doctor

    by satansteve

    Was a cheeky way to leave it open for a tennant return at some point down the way, oh, RTD, you cad! I would bloody love it, but I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon.

  • June 15, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    tennants dr was a war criminal...

    by emeraldboy

    and he was on the run for what he did during the time war. at some point during his regeneration that part of his memory became amnesiaised. there was one person who knew all this river song. her character has been very mysterious up till know. her role is to bring the dr to trial by any means necessary and this could what the pandorica ep could be all about. amy could be part of the plan. and in the Rivers job is to kill the dr.

  • June 15, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Doubtful, satansteve

    by BeingBoiled

    I seriously doubt the Moff will bring back that rubbish idea. And with good reason. It was frakking terrible.<br><br> That whole finale was, IMO. As I mentioned above, it's probably the only episode since the series has returned that got me completely pissed off from beginning to end. Why? Hrm, let's see...<br><br> Botched/cop-out/faked regen. Lame.<br><br> Human-biological metacrisis Doc. Double Lame.<br><br> Donna acting like a cartoon and flipping switches, making the Daleks play bumper cars while the rest of the cast high-fives and slaps asses in the background, dancing about like the Wiggles. Ugh.<br><br> Davros calling the Doctor "the destroyer of worlds." LOL - so I suppose Davs himself was just planning to corral all of those planets together for show and tell then!?<br><br> The TARDIS towing the Earth home. ACK.<br><br> Poser Doc staying behind with Rose, effectively wiping the rest of Doomsday's once brilliant impact away and rendered utterly pointless. Bravo.<br><br> Easily the worst finale RTD ever delivered. I really do despise Journey's End, come to think this much on it. It's utter shite, save for the hilariously awesome ramblings of the insane Dalek Caan. I'd rather re-watch Love and Monsters or The Doctor's Daughter again before Journey's End - in a doubled Timelord heartbeat. And that ain't exactly saying much either, is it?<br><br> As for Tennant returning, I suspect he will eventually - but as the 10th Doctor. A possible 50th anniversary appearance was already alluded to last year at SDCC. And having him, Smith and possibly another returning Doc together (c'mon Eccleston) would be a treat indeed. Maybe even the three of them with Smith's eventual successor? A Four Doctors special, perhaps? Eh, probably not, but one can dream, anyway.

  • June 15, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The Pandorica tied to the Doc's war crimes...

    by BeingBoiled

    ***Possible spoilers***<br><br> It's likely just a trap devised by all of his enemies to ensnare and imprison him, as previously speculated. But you never know, I guess. They could work that angle in, somehow. I do think River might be in on it though. Her wry comment about trust at the end of Flesh and Stone seemed awfully suggestive of an eventual betrayal somewhere in the Doctor's future. At least, that's how I read it.<br><br> But I honestly think the best way to have the Doctor still fearing accountability and eventual repercussions from the Time War's fallout would've been to have left the Time Lords alive at the conclusion of the End of Time Part 2, with Smith's #11 left always looking over his shoulder moving forward. Gallifrey would've been restored with the Doctor an outlaw to his own people, just like the old days, running from his own kind - only this time, with far more reason, due to his actions in the Time War - not just running off to explore the universe without proper permission. That could've been a terrific arc to play with again as Moff took over. But no - RTD pissed it all away by banishing the Time Lords all over again into a reset void. Typical, lol.

  • June 15, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Cheers axcel1...

    by BeingBoiled

    And I'm betting you are right! :)

  • June 15, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Couldn't agree more BeingBoiled

    by frozen01

    I'm trying to bring a few more into the Whovian fold, but Journey's End I couldn't watch with them. <p>I thought Eccles didn't want anything to do with Who anymore? I'd love to have him back, but I doubt it'll happen :o\ (And what about McGann???)

  • It would be nice to see McGann, Eccleston, Tennant, and, Smith do a four Doctors special, but, the best we can hope for is Tennant, maybe, McGann, if they do a time war-related story.

  • June 15, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    When matt smith was on jonathan Ross's show

    by emeraldboy

    promoting the new series. i think and I could be compeletly wrong but he is contracted for a year and half to see what he does with the role. if things work out and he has been absolutely brillaint, there is an option for another 2 years.

  • June 15, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    BeingBoiled

    by satansteve

    You make some fair points. After the excellent first part it was somewhat of a letdown for the reasons you explained. The high-fiving and wiggles dancing made me chuckle. Have to say I actually quite enjoy Doctor's Daughter. It's not my 'go to' episode, but Tennant (especially at the end) is pretty on form, even with the cheap-ass gun FX etc. I don't understand all this hostility for Love and Monsters...I man, okay it's not the best episode (far from from it) but it's still miles ahead of Fear Her, which actually makes me nauseous when the girl starts her fucking whispering "I love Chloe Webber" Yeah? Well I don't. (Although that said, I wish Tennant was still in the role so there was the possibility of him ACTUALLY running the torch up the steps in 2012. The BBC would have made it happen and you know it.)

  • June 15, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    And come on...

    by satansteve

    Who (giggle) WOULDN'T want to see a maniacal, villanous, bitter tenth doctor as the Valeyard going apeshit bonkers in a moff-scripted season ender trying to steal eleven's remaining regenerations? I know I fucking would, retarded reasons for being or not.

  • June 15, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Axcel1

    by frozen01

    That works, too. I just wanna see more McGann. Something about torches and candles in the TARDIS and an outfit that looks like it was stolen from the set of Interview with the Vampire just tickles me :)

  • June 15, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    satansteve

    by frozen01

    You're not alone. Aside from Jenny's annoyingly perky personality (which works within the ep, I just hate perkiness... well, that kind anyways), I actually kind of like The Doctor's Daughter. It was nice to see 10 as something other than happy or angry, and the end was lovely. <p>Sorry, but I can't watch Love and Monsters without thinking of Austin Powers, and not in a good way :o\ Plus, you know, the blowjob joke... <p>I'd rather see a maniacal, villainous, bitter NINTH Doctor, personally.

  • June 15, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Eccleston and McGann, etc.

    by BeingBoiled

    @ frozen01/axcel1 - I know, lol. We'll never get a special like that again (at least, I highly doubt it).<br><br> I honestly don't think we'll ever see another multiple Doctors special that's like the ones from the Classic series. The producers of the newer series recently went so far as to reiterate that such a story was only generally done back in the day to attempt a larger grab at ratings, etc. - something the new series hasn't had to worry much about since returning (and let's hope it stays that way). So yeah - without a real "need" for the gimmick these days, it truly seems unlikely. Though, as hardcore fans, it's always fun to still ponder the possibilities.<br><br> Although, I will also say that I seem to recall Moffat himself commenting on the setup when grilled about more possibilities for other multiple Doctor stories in the future, post his writing the CIN Time Crash mini-sode. If memory serves, he said much of what I already mentioned above, but did bookend it with a comment about perhaps if the story was truly good enough and epic enough to attempt another such outing, who knows and it might be considered. So you just never know.<br><br> I will say that McGann could certainly do it, though - the man looks amazing even now, and hasn't aged much at all since the Fox TV movie. Just slap a wig on him and pull the classy duds out of mothballs and you're off! lol<br><br> And I, like spud and many others, would LOVE to see an epic Time War retelling portrayed in films or even a little mini-series format - but it ain't gonna happen. RTD and others have commented on the Time War and such in interviews, and the primary purpose it holds is that grand event that is always talked about, but never really seen. It's merely fill-in-the-gap backstory that lends an air of new weight and mythological richness to the Doctor's character, while also giving him some real personal demons to contend with going forward. And it works without a full-on, visual representation handed over to the audience. But one would be quite nice!<br><br> As for Eccleston, check out his newly divulged comments on leaving the role. Interesting stuff.<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/2ab9ml9<br><br> I for one can fully agree he'd never come back for the role, even if offered a small bit to do and nothing too extensive. He just doesn't seem interested or seriously invested in it any further. He's clearly proud of what he did with it for such a short go, but he's moved on and intends not to look back.<br><br> However, you'd think having done complete garbage like G.I. Joe, the man would have some sense of quality in choosing his newer roles. What great range did Destro require, for goodness sake? lol So clearly money talks. Maybe if they threw enough of it at him, should a worthy multiple Doctors story arise, he'd do it?

  • June 15, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Well, that is interesting!

    by frozen01

    Makes you wonder.. <p>Also I wonder where the fuck I've been. I had no idea he was in GI Joe! <p>It may be the eternal optimist in me *coughyeahrightcough* but I could see a Time War story that isn't too overdone. Perhaps a retelling of the events leading up to the Time War, without going too Star Wars or showing too much of it, tied in with the Pandorica and the cracks in time (or what my hubby calls "the crack plot"). This might make for a good reason to bring 8 and 11 together, especially with some of the more interesting theories floating around, so I think it'd be quite satisfying. (The Three Doctors is the only multi-Doctor story I've seen, and I thought it was bloody awful. Avoiding something like that would be preferable!)

  • June 15, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    frozen01

    by BeingBoiled

    IT... IS... NOT... TRUUUUUUE!!!<br><br> (in my most inspired Omega-esque voice, lol)<br><br> You dislike The Three Doctors?<br><br> Oh my. I quite enjoy that one. Sure, it's charged to the gills with high-camp thanks to Docs 2 and 3 bickering like schoolyard boys the whole time over who gets to call the shots in the big game, but that's part of its inner charm, lol.<br><br> Plus good stuff with the Brig and Benton in the mix. Troughton pining for his recorder, lol. Pertwee ninja-fighting the dark side of Omega's mind! And the hobbling fruitcake monsters rule. :D I do love me some Omega. Really wish they'd bring him back after his Davison-era meltdown. He's ripe for revisiting, Moff!

  • June 15, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    And Eccleston in G.I. Joe...

    by BeingBoiled

    ... is positively the only reason to even suffer through that POS. And that's saying nothing, really. lol<br><br> He's coasting on autopilot all the way through it. Paycheck.

  • June 15, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    satansteve

    by BeingBoiled

    To be perfectly fair, I don't totally loathe Love and Monsters. I sort of enjoy it in an oddly undefinable way, but it's a far cry from what feels like an expected and generally satisfying outing of Doctor Who, IMO.<br><br> I adore Shirley Henderson in pretty much anything, though. She's probably the real reason I still put it over, lol. That and the ELO stuff. :)<br><br> Can't really disagree on Fear Her. It's weak sauce, overall. Some interesting ideas in there in short little flickers, but per lots of Who that falls short in some way, they're held back by a limp script and no real budget (since they were saving up for the big 2-parter that followed). Funny how this year's The Lodger mirrors that episode in many same respects (even the setting, overall), and yet the outcome was much, much more impressive despite the apparent limitations going in. I give all that up to Matt Smith, really. Which is why, IMO, he's already MILES ahead of Tennant. To capably carry an entire episode (in your first year, no less) that could implode at any second and prevent it from becoming the filler we're all dreading is an impressive feat indeed.<br><br> As for The Doctor's Daughter, I find it a pretty rough go. It's got some interesting stuff in it at times as well, but the overall concept and its payoff never really gelled for me. I hated the whole matter-of-fact way that Jenny was "conceived." I didn't buy the whole "7 days" civilization or whatever the hell it was, lol. Just didn't come together for me, as the writing seemed rather shoddy to make it all work in a mere 45-minute timeframe. Too many holes in the road. And to be fair in hindsight, that's a probable disservice to the potential strength of the story, which as a 2-parter, could've been really great with more solidified exposition in place rather than some awkward 5-minute technowank spurted out at light speed. Just an unfortunate mess of an episode, IMO.<br><br> I will agree that Tennant rises above the writing more often than not though, and that the final scenes are worthy of some faint praise - if only what preceded them had been stronger, their impact might have been even greater. I dunno. I do really like the design of the Hath, though. So points up on the board there.<br><br> And Freema's acting is hilariously bad when the Hath soldier falls into the quicksand pit while trying to save her. "Ohhhhhh NOOOOOOO!!!!" LMAO<br><br> As for Journey's End - I thought The Stolen Earth set it up well enough, but the second part failed to deliver the goods. RTD's biggest apparent weakness, per the usual song and dance, I'm afraid (at least from year 3 on, IMO). The only real issue I had with The Stolen Earth was Torchwood acting like a bunch of ninnie cowards while the Daleks invaded - what the hell happened there!? lol<br><br> But the heavy stuff between Davros and the Doctor (culminating in Tennant's awesome "BYYYYYYYEEEE!!!") was spectacular. RTD doing what he did best there.<br><br> I suppose outside of the Metacrisis BS, the faked regen was really the biggest point of contention I had with Journey's End. To me, regeneration is always a sacred rite of passage between Doctors. It's BIG. It's IMPORTANT. And to cheapen it all for the sake of big ratings for the finale was a huge fucking no-no. Just not a very well-informed executive decision there. And Tennant's smugness after the false alarm didn't help matters, either. (Oh, LOOK at me - why would I want to change!?" Pish. Gag me.)<br><br> But I'll concur on the Metacrisis Doctor possibly returning for only one reason - to retcon that shit straight into oblivion, lol. And honestly, you do raise a good point (as have many, over time) about the strong potential for a Valeyard story in that character. And indeed - the possibilities of an insane, over-the-top Tennant up against the quirky and classy Mr. Smith does make the mind race with excitement. I'd be game for it. If done right.

  • June 16, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't rule anything out....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .... especially about a returning Tennant somewhere down the line- probably not back into the full time role of the Doc (alas, that has now been and gone, and is how it should stay- and before I get harpooned by a few people, NO- I loved Tennant in the role), but I would certainly hedge my bets on a cameo.<br><br> His Hollywood/American career hasn't exactly taken off the way he hoped it would; a pilot for his new lawyer series wasn't picked up, and frankly he SUCKED a dead donkeys ass in the excrement inducing St Trinians 2: The search for Frittons Gold (which I was forced to sit through as my mentally derranged daughter harpied me into taking her). <br><br> Next up for him is playing the Peter Vincent role (excellently played in the original by Roddy McDowell) opposite Colin Farrell and Anton Yelchin in a remake of the 80's movie Fright Night. Something tells me that another eye raping is in order in having to sit through that shit. <br><br> A returning Valeyard has been motted in this TB for about 5 or 6 weeks now; I am in complete support of it if it is handled expertly. Bringing Tennant back to the role RIGHT NOW would be a bit too soon, and likely piss all over Matt Smiths parade- something that is unnecessary as Smith is doing an excellent job in finding his own voice, and in truth, does he REALLY need Tennant stinking the place up like a panto villan, or worse- as a re-inactment of his role as Barty Crouch Jnr from Harry Potter 4? <br><br> The Valeyard would be great, just best left alone for now especially if Tennant is involved.

  • June 16, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Besides, there is soooo much more

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...to explore in the Doctor Who universe. There are alot more villans to resurrect for a modern audience- a potential goldmine!<br><br> The Black Guardian (this is a MUST!!!), The Celestial Toy maker (Michael Gough as an immortal? Priceless!), Borusa (who wouldn't want a modern day war between the Doctor and his former trainer?), The Rani (ready to experiment on the people of the planet Earth- god! Kate O Mara was fucking HOT!) Rassilon, should they decide to bring back the time lords.... an endless list! <br><br> So, who would YOU like to see back?????

  • June 16, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Agreed sam j's wig...

    by BeingBoiled

    It's really far too soon for Tennant to come back in any capacity. He will return eventually in some form, undoubtedly. Fan favorite, left under perfectly good terms, loves the series as a fan as much as he does being an actual participant - he's got no real reason not to, aside from petty stuff like the money, which I think he'd forgo (in hefty sum terms) when it came to negotiating a return of some sort. As mentioned before, 2013 is a likely bet, if not sooner.<br><br> I'm actually very intrigued with his casting in the Fright Night remake. He could really open up some doors with that role in the States if he nails the material pitch-perfect, along with the film doing well with audiences (if it does, of course). The hardest thing for me to picture right now is him and Yelchin facing off together against Colin Farrell as the new Dandrige. Just envisioning that is... odd. lol<br><br> As for returning Who villains, I think Omega and The Black Guardian certainly top my list for stand-alone candidates. Both could have great, fresh character arcs if done right in the new series. And The Valeyard of course, for the very same reason.<br><br> For alien races, I'd say the Zygons, the Krynoid (that shit was pure nightmare-fuel for me as a child), the Wirrn, and of course the original Mondas Cybermen all still top my list. The first three were all fantastic classic series monsters that could easily find a place in the new series with some stellar writing to give them revived life again. And the original Cybers, of course, just because I want the Alt-Earth versions jettisoned and replaced by the real deal. Moff wiped the slate clean on the Daleks, so why not the Cybermen too?

  • June 16, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    WTF? Why are so many people OBSESSED with

    by V'Shael

    bringing back the Rani? Or equally obsessed with the idea that a villain from the past is somehow pretending to be someone else? (I remember this from the Donna Noble days)<br /><br />Seriously, was there a meeting or memo that I didn't get? Is this some weird internet meme thing, like the recent Betty White one?<br /><br />Can some kind soul please explain how that fucking idiotic idea of a character (The Master, only with TITS) is still flying around the Whovian zeitgeist?<br /><br />I'd bring back references to Fenric, and agents of the Black Guardian (without actually bringing back the Black Guardian at all). Borusa, like Rassilon and all the other time lords, is time locked in the war.

  • June 16, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Remind me again...

    by dj_bollocks

    ... so I don't have to watch that fucking awful Christmas Special... How did the Cybermen end up in the past ? <p>A Cybermen retcon would be really good, but as I've said before can we see some more stories NOT set on Earth please. I'm not really bothered about anything in the past - so the need to bring stuff back isn't great with me... Something like a Key To Time story could be fun... Something that runs through the whole series... But it would just be nice to see some interesting and innovative Sci Fi for a change. <p>And play about with continuity a bit... They've touched on the effects of previous incidents... Most notably stuff that happens at Christmas... I'm not saying revisit someone like Harriet Jones, but meeting someone that we know has already died partly due to touching the Doctor's life... Anyway taxi's here...

  • June 16, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    V'Shael.. the rani...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...why? BECAUSE it's the master with TITS!!!!! LOL ;)

  • June 16, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    iN ALL SERIOUSNESS.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    The Rani wouldn't be the first in my list to bring back (I can remember covering this back in Episode 2s TB...wow!)but I firmly believe that she will make an appearance in the near future. There (IMHO) has been a REAL lack of any kind of female threat for the Doc....<br><br> Springing to mind episodes of the current run- Partners in Crime (weak female villan), The fires of Pompeii (weak female villans, if you can call them that), Turn left (sooth saying bitch- very weak), The Next Doctor (weak female villan), Aliens of London/World War Three/Boom Town (LOVED the character of Margaret Blaine! She would fucking terrify me!) Midnight (Sky Silvestri+ Val Cane= a VERY bad time for the Doctor!), The Shakespeare Code (Carrionites!!!)<br><br> I am sure I have missed some, and no doubt will be reminded of my faubles!

  • June 16, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    BeingBoiled

    by sam jacksons wig

    I remember watching "The Seeds of Doom" when I was 9. I was scared SHITLESS and was very recitent to go out into the garden!!<br><br> The Wirrn remind me of just watching the fish monster type thingies in Vampires of Venice, although DEFINATELY two separate races! <br><br> The Black Guardian and the Guardians of Time need to be brought back! NOW MOFF!!!!!

  • June 16, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Cybermen in the past...

    by V'Shael

    The Doctor explains that the Cybermen have escaped from the Void (following the Battle of Canary Wharf) when the walls of the universe were weakened in "a greater battle". <br /><br />We have to assume (because it's never outright stated) that with the void being eternal and timeless between the dimensions, that escaping it means you can escape at any random point into the past, as well as the present.

  • June 16, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    UTTER FUCK BAGS!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Oh shit! For those of you still logging onto this thread, I have a MAJOR query I need answered. <br><br> How come in episode "Flesh and Stone" when the Clerics investigate the crack in time and disappear Amy can remember them, but the other clerics cannot? <br><br> And when Rory disappears Amy can't remember him, even though the SAME THING happened to him?????? BRAIN FRY!!!!!

  • June 16, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    And I don't buy......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ... The Doctors excuse of "You're a time traveller now, it changes the way you see the Universe..."<br><br> If that were the case she would have remembered Rory.....

  • June 16, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Sam this is explained in the episodes

    by Evilmeister

    Being a time traveller she is immune to the effects in regards to the soldiers. <br><br>As Rory is part of her own 'time stream' (or wotever u call it) she IS effected by it. <br><br> Hopefully someone will come up with a longer explaination, I'm off out so cant type more.

  • June 16, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Multi Doctor Story

    by HornOrSilk

    Ever since "Time Crash," they have made a way for any older Doctor to come back, if they want. Or we could have the Master zip out his sonic laser and zap the Doctor, and voila, for an episode have him as a fat, old 6th Doctor. Indeed, I think that is still the best way to do a "Doctor lite" episode -- is to have a previous Doctor in it.

  • June 16, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    @Sam Jacksons Wig - To answer your question

    by V'Shael

    You're just going to have to accept various things are not always explained *completely* in the show. This isn't Star Trek. There isn't a demand for people to buy the Technical Manual to the Tardis.<br /><br />Here's some things we DO know, and we can piece together certain conclusions from them.<br /><br />Time travel imbues your body with traces of Artron energy. This doesn't appear to fade, even after decades. (Most recently confirmed in the pilot of the Sarah Jane Adventures, but goes back to the classic series.) We don't know what affect Artron energy has on the human brain or it's memory, with regard to time travel and changing historic events.<br /><br />The Tardis has telepathic circuits, which handle the translation of words/languages for the Tardis passengers and people they're talking to. This can manifest with accents too. (Most recently seen in Vincent and the Doctor, but going back at least as far as Masque of Mandragora in the classic series.) The Doctor forms a part of this translation link to the companions. If he's gone/dead, it won't work. (The Christmas Invasion)<br /><br />Although we have heard it said that the energy from the crack can erase them from the timeline so that they were never born, the FACTS of the show do not bear this out. If Amy had not had any of the soldiers in her past, she probably wouldn't have survived to get to the forest in the first place. What seems to actually be happening, is that they were being removed from the MEMORY of everyone. (See the engagement ring surviving, and the events from Eleventh Hour not being retconned. If you remember, Rory was vital in solving that, since he had collected all the photos of the coma patients and that helped the Atraxi identify Prisoner Zero, in addition to providing the phone which the Doctor wrote the sentient virus on.)<br /><br />The Doctor implies that remembering events which haven't yet happened, or may now never happen, is a function of being a time traveller. (Most recently confirmed in Vincent and the Doctor and the downloadable Adventure game "City of the Daleks", but going back at least as far as Pompeii in the new series and Pyramids of Mars in the Classic series, when the Earth of the 1980's had been destroyed by Sutekh in 1912, but Sarah Jane still remembered UNIT, etc..)<br /><br />Within the episode Cold Blood, the Doctor does have a throwaway line that because Rory is part of Amy's own timeline (and in my speculation only, had travelled with them in the Tardis also) then she can be affected by this change. Since Rory isn't from the Doctors time, he is the same relative position as Amy was to the soldiers. ie. A visitor to her time, with a knowledge of events before and after that particular point in time, etc...) So the Doctor will remember Rory, and Amy will forget him.<br /><br />I hope this gives you some perspective on the issue.

  • June 16, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    sam/Evil

    by frozen01

    No, that's about the gist of it. Personally, I think the Doctor's explanation was BS. Not bad writing; I mean, he was lying to her. There is another reason, I'd bet.

  • June 16, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    BeingBoiled

    by frozen01

    Different perspectives, hun. I didn't grow up with Who, I fell into it as an adult. I could definitely see how that episode (Three Doctors) would be dear to someone's heart (and I do like me some Pertwee), I just don't want to see that in nu-Who. Too campy and chucked together :o\

  • June 16, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Tennant in Fright Night

    by frozen01

    As much as I'd absolutely love for Tennant's Hollywood career to take off, I just don't think it'll happen. Not for a long time, at least. I mean, we seem to only appreciate the Brits who either do an AMAZING American accent (Hugh Laurie) or who shout at and belittle people (see every reality TV show known to man). Unless he can find his way on HBO or Showtime, I just don't see it.

  • June 16, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by frozen01

    How do you know the events of Eleventh Hour still happened? Isn't it very possible that they didn't? Perhaps the Atraxi caught Prisoner Zero on their own, the Doctor found another way, or maybe they never caught him (her?) at all. <p>I dunno... the whole "you're a time traveler now, it affects you differently, isn't that dandy?" thing sounded like a quick and not-altogether-true explanation on the Doctor's part. Like he was sugar-coating it for her.

  • June 16, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    @Frozen01 - Well, yeah

    by V'Shael

    Was it really the appropriate time to explain chrono temporal dynamics to her? Or was it more important to just convince her that the threat to her memory was real and immediate and she had to hang on to Rory in her mind?<br /><br />I'm sure it was a quick and altogether not entirely true explanation on his part. <br /><br />As for the events of the Eleventh Hour still happening, who bought the engagement ring if Rory was never born? <br /><br />Who provided the impetus for Amy to chose a reality for the Dream Lord?<br /><br />Who saved her life in Vampires in Venice? (And obviously they went to Venice, since the city still exists.)<br /><br />We've seen the Doctor alter timelines before, (Waters of Mars) and this doesn't seem to have happened here. <br /><br />I'm much more comfortable with the idea that the memories of the people are being erased, but not the timeline, not the events they've done or the objects they leave behind. It just matches the facts a lot more easily.

  • June 16, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by frozen01

    It was sort of hinted at that the engagement ring "survived" the rewriting of time because of where in the TARDIS it was placed, sort of like #2's recorder. <p>As I understand it, the Dream Lord was the Doctor. The situation they were in was a creation of the Doctor's *because* Amy needed to choose between Rory and the Doctor (or rather, the lives they offered). If Rory didn't exist, would those circumstances have still been there for her to choose from? Probably not. <p>Events could have played out in a myriad of different ways in Venice, just like with the Atraxi in Eleventh Hour. Besides, I don't remember Rory being that instrumental. I have a notoriously bad memory, though :) <p>The alteration in Waters of Mars was really specific, though, and didn't go into any sort of depth at all about the affects of the Doctor changing the timeline. All it dealt with was one woman and her family. <p>I'm much more comfortable with only memories being erased, too, but definitely intrigued by an approach to actual events being changed. I just have a feeling that they're going for more meat this series.

  • June 16, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Darkocity

    by livrule

    Its empty mate ... Don't get too pumped.

  • June 16, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    One thing I'm hoping doesn't happen.....................

    by axcel1

    We are all guessing, speculating as to what the 2-part series (season) finale will be, we are building it up so much, I really hope we won't be disapointed in it because it not the story we thought it would be, should be. I hope we judge it on the story it tells.

  • June 16, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    frozen01 - Time War

    by spud mcspud

    Now THAT would be a great way to give some of us a bit of Time War action onscreen - maybe in an episode involving the Eight Doctor (who had DEFINITELY the best TARDIS, and I loved the Victorian steampunk dress sense too!) - we could at least get flashbacks, maybe of McGann trying to persuade the Gallifreyan War Council or whoever to try something risky to stop the Daleks from destroying the universe. Fit those into an episode where some Gallifreyan lawman is trying to bring the Doctor to justice, or some galactic bounty hunter is trying to capture him, with the Doctor giving away bits of what he had to do to save the universe and end the War - could be awesome. May have worked in the SOUND OF DRUMS episode - give us some visuals of the Time War rather than all the endless pontificating between the Doctor and the Master...

  • I hope you all enjoy the next Doctor Who episode, "The Pandorica Opens" part 1, I already know I will.

  • I don't buy what the Who producers have said, RTD and, I think, Mofitt, too, that the Time War is something we should never see. The Time War would make a fantastic Doctor Who special, with Paul McGann coming back as the Doctor. Can anyone tell me I'm wrong?

  • June 16, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Guess Who's back?

    by satansteve

    I agree that it would be far too soon for Tennant to come back but at some point down the road, ithas the potential to be frickin awesome. Imagine, Smith's reaction when Tennant reveals that he's murdered Rose etc.

  • June 16, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    the emphasis this series seems to be dreams..

    by emeraldboy

    and fairytales. this is all about amy's dreams. she dreamed about time and space and her dreams came true. the pandorica represents I suspect the dr's nightmares. he is being confronted by his enemies who are going to do terrible things to him or confront him with his past or whatever that box is for.

  • June 16, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Spud - EXACTLY!

    by frozen01

    That's just about exactly what I had in mind. It would be epic :) And light years better than Sound of Drums. <p>Matt Smith's TARDIS is actually my favorite. McGann's was romantic Goth/Victorian/Steampunk, whereas Smith's is more airship/sci-fi/forward-looking Steampunk. I like 'em both, but the detail of the most recent is really cool to me :)

  • June 16, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    Absolutely, you're right. Look at spud's idea... who wouldn't want that? :oD

  • June 16, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    They are selling the FUCKING TARDIS...

    by Kelvington

    I'm very lucky in life. I have "A" TARDIS. I love my TARDIS. But they are selling THE TARDIS, the CE ERA TARDIS USED IN FILMING. THE FUCKING TARDIS!!!!<P><P>Now I can't afford this, but maybe one of you lucky fucks can!<P><P>http://tinyurl.com/29vabyk<P><P> PS. Anyone here who buys this is DEAD TO ME! LOL

  • June 17, 2010, 3:23 a.m. CST

    You could build a life size Tardis model for a lot less than

    by V'Shael

    the 12 grand they expect this prop to go for. <br /><br />It seems a bit much, just to own the box the Christopher Eccleston and Billie Piper used to stand in.

  • We always wondered why Christopher Eccleston quit after one season, in his words, here's why. "I didn't enjoy the environment and the culture that we, the cast and crew, had to work in," BBC News reported. "I was open-minded but I decided after my experience on the first series that I didn't want to do any more," he said. "I thought if I stay in this job, I'm going to have to blind myself to certain things that I thought were wrong. ... I think it's more important to be your own man than be successful, so I left." That doesn't mean Ecclsteon isn't pleased with what he had accomplished by reinvigorating Doctor Who. For him, getting to play the character was "the most important thing," far more important than the fact of his having left after a single season. "I really feel that, because it kind of broke the mold and it helped to reinvent it," he said. "I'm very proud of it."

  • June 17, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Found the above on Scifi website...........................

    by axcel1

    Which was from an interview he gave because he's about to star in the BBC Four movie Lennon Naked.

  • June 18, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Just had a thought about the Eleventh Hour

    by offscauta

    When the Doctor returns to the TARDIS and it won't let him in he says that it's because it's repairing itself. But what if it's the future Doctor locking him out?

  • June 18, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    And as for the cracks...

    by offscauta

    Amy assumes they are following her, and the Doctor never contradicts this. But she was never in Craig's flat, so the crack appearing there suggests that they are actually following the Doctor.

  • June 18, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    CLIP from "The Pandorica Opens"

    by V'Shael

    Check out the first embedded clip on this page... <p> http://tinyurl.com/3932na2 <p> The other two clips, are just the BBC TV trailer, and the "Next Time" promo, which have been online for almost a week now.

  • June 18, 2010, 2:20 a.m. CST

    CLIP : Matt and Karen set up The Pandorica

    by V'Shael

    http://tinyurl.com/2b5eddq

  • June 18, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Here's a question.........................................

    by axcel1

    I'm sure the christmas special has been filmed already, since we always see previews of it after the series (season) finale, anyone know anything about it?

  • June 18, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Not a blessed thing

    by V'Shael

    They've been remarkably good about stopping leaks in the new show. I can only presume the leaks in the RTD era came from someone high on staff that left when the Production team changed.

  • June 18, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    @Axcel1 - It may not have been filmed already

    by V'Shael

    For example, I've just finished reading the section in The Writers Tale about the filming of "Voyage of the Damned" and the read through was in June 2007, and the filming was in July 2007, and it aired December 2007.<br /><br />Series 6 with Matt Smith is due to start filming in July (in a few weeks). If the Christmas Special is part of that Production Block, it won't have been filmed yet.<br />

  • June 18, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Yup, just did some checking...

    by V'Shael

    Matt : "We start shooting the Christmas Special actually in July, so now I’m in New York promoting Doctor Who and then I’m going to go to L.A. And then I’m actually going to go and do something else. I’m going to go and do a different job, but only for a month. And it’s meant to be in Germany, but we’ll see. But I can’t actually talk about what that is, I’m afraid, at this juncture. But I can’t wait to start Doctor Who again. It’s the most brilliant experience of my career to date. And it’s also been the hardest experience of my career to date."<br /><br />Taken from 15th April "Spin Off online"<br />http://www.spinoffonline.com/2010/04/15/doctor-whos-matt-smith-talking-about-regeneration/<br />

  • June 18, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    matt smith on jonathon ross said 24 hrs before

    by emeraldboy

    airing of the eleventh hours that he was contracted for a year and a half. and if all went well there was an option to do two more years. he said he would like to be in the role for a long time. The filming schedule was according to billie piper the toughest thing she ever did and it took up nine months of her life. So i am not sure if smith is going to be around for the long haul. he is ace though. but emeraldbro said they will have to take of thier young actors. emeraldbro also said he was in despair watching this dr who untill vincent and the dr. but thought the lodger was good and the pandorica looked great. eneraldbro and i agree that amy ponds writing has been very shoddy.

  • I do remember at the end of "Journey's End", seeing previews of "The Next Doctor", but, maybe that was the only time.

  • June 18, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    All you saw were some fx shots and some

    by V'Shael

    cybermen, and sound effects. Wasn't it?

  • June 18, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    "Next Doctor" preview

    by offscauta

    The first three Christmas specials were filmed as the first part of series 2, 3, and 4. Because of the hiatus, "The Next Doctor" was filmed at the end of series 4, so was the only special that could be trailed at the end of the series.

  • June 18, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    V'Shael, offscauta, yeah, that sounds about right............

    by axcel1

    Oh well, you can't blame a guy for wanting somthing to tide me over 'til xmas. A SIX MONTH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 18, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    maybe the cracks are effecting englands

    by emeraldboy

    performance.

  • June 18, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith

    by frozen01

    needs to come to Chicago TARDIS. NY and LA, pffft. Whada they know.

  • June 18, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    If you haven't done so already, check out the fan audio dramas on iTunes. Fairly good stuff, and completely free. <p>I have a small stock of books and graphic novels to keep the DW withdrawl at bay :)

  • June 18, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by proper

    You Maybe Onto Something There,Robert Green Looks Like Rory.I've Never Seen Anything Like That Tonight..............Disgrace.

  • June 18, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    iTunes has free stuff???

    by axcel1

    I did not know that. I'll check into that.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Okay

    by gotilk

    Going to see if I can bring this baby up to the minimum number to show in the top talkbacks.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Okay

    by gotilk

    Going to see if I can bring this baby up to the minimum number to show in the top talkbacks.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Since this is one of the lesser-loved episodes

    by gotilk

    It has a low post count.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Since this is one of the lesser-loved episodes

    by gotilk

    It has a low post count.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I hope over-posting will be excused

    by gotilk

    for the sake of the community.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I hope over-posting will be excused

    by gotilk

    for the sake of the community.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I hope over-posting will be excused

    by gotilk

    for the sake of the community

  • July 15, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I actually liked The Lodger

    by gotilk

    quite a bit. It had a tinge of that RTD sappiness. But it was not bad. Not at all. Especially with that cool Tardis-like thing.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I actually liked The Lodger

    by gotilk

    quite a bit. It had a tinge of that RTD sappiness. But it was not bad. Not at all. Especially with that cool Tardis-like thing.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Looks like I have my work cut out for me.

    by gotilk

    57 posts? On topic? This morning? I can do it.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Looks like I have my work cut out for me.

    by gotilk

    57 posts? On topic? This morning? I can do it.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    The Lodger was interesting

    by gotilk

    you have to give it that. But it was a little sappy. At least the actors were good.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    The Lodger was interesting

    by gotilk

    you have to give it that. But it was a little sappy. At least the actors were good.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I'll be back to do another 20 or so in a bit.

    by gotilk

    Then we should be close to getting it to pop up on the right and it'll be easy to move there. If you read this, help.. okay?

  • July 15, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I'll be back to do another 20 or so in a bit.

    by gotilk

    Then we should be close to getting it to pop up on the right and it'll be easy to move there. If you read this, help.. okay?

  • July 15, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Out for a bit.

    by gotilk

    to our new DocBack home.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Out for a bit.

    by gotilk

    to our new DocBack home.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Or I should say

    by gotilk

    FOR our new DocBack home.

  • July 15, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Or I should say

    by gotilk

    FOR our new DocBack home.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    So... here then?

    by MoffatBabies

    I see you got a god start.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    bt the way gotilk?

    by MoffatBabies

    You know me. he heh... intrigued?

  • July 15, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    by the way gotilk?

    by MoffatBabies

    You know me. he heh... intrigued?

  • July 15, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    From where? AICN? Twitter? Wordpress?

    by gotilk

    Yeah, intrigued. Kinda creeped out just a tiny bit, too. But not too badly. Just umm.. curious.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    But no matter what.. THANKS!!

    by gotilk

    Awesome that you're helping no matter who you are.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    You used the word intrigued (spell?) so.. at least

    by gotilk

    I know who you are NOT. So I'm a little less worried now.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Not sure what to say here now.

    by gotilk

    I hope I was really nice to everyone here in the talkback. I can get fired up and go overboard from time to time. But I'm a nice person. I usually don't do that personal attack junk that some people on talkback do, with name-calling and such. So if I was borderline rude to anyone in a previous docback, I'd like to extend a sincere, absolute apology after the fact and hope that you'll forgive me and we can move on. Because this is starting to really feel like a close-knit community. And I love it.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Not sure what to say here now.

    by gotilk

    I hope I was really nice to everyone here in the talkback. I can get fired up and go overboard from time to time. But I'm a nice person. I usually don't do that personal attack junk that some people on talkback do, with name-calling and such. So if I was borderline rude to anyone in a previous docback, I'd like to extend a sincere, absolute apology after the fact and hope that you'll forgive me and we can move on. Because this is starting to really feel like a close-knit community. And I love it.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I'll be back in a little whiloe to do a few more.

    by gotilk

    :)

  • July 15, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    What do we have to go now?

    by gotilk

    40 posts or so?

  • July 15, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    What do we have to go now?

    by gotilk

    40 posts or so?

  • July 15, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Don't worry

    by MoffatBabies

    Very non-stalker. Just a close acquaintance.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Don't worry

    by MoffatBabies

    Very non-stalker. Just a close acquaintance.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Don't worry

    by MoffatBabies

    Very non-stalker. Just a close acquaintance.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Hello

    by frozen01

    Nice to see we've found each other... hope more come in! I'll be popping in occasionally until about 5pm CST and then I probably won't be able to jump on until tomorrow :o/

  • July 15, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    YAY! Frozen01!!

    by gotilk

    Great, and then there were three.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Oh crap now we have to beat 63 to show up

    by gotilk

    and much more.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Oh crap now we have to beat 63 to show up

    by gotilk

    and much more.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    So after this post

    by gotilk

    about 30 to 25 more are needed.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    If anyone seeing this thinks it's excessive or

    by gotilk

    some kind of abuse of the system. Remember, this is just about making it easy for the growing docback community to find.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    So why was it again people didn't like The Lodger

    by gotilk

    as much? Because it didn't focus on the Doctor and Amy as much?

  • July 15, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The comedy elements were good

    by gotilk

    came of better than some of the more juvenile stuff from the RTD years.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    You know, like..

    by gotilk

    farting aliens and such. Although I admit.. I laughed. But I laugh at almost any fart/fart joke.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Not many more now to go.

    by gotilk

    Get on in here and if you see this, post!

  • July 15, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Those who Lurk

    by gotilk

    lose.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I had to google intrigued

    by MoffatBabies

    to spell it right. LOL

  • July 15, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    That power rangers thing I said b-4

    by MoffatBabies

    don't think that means I don't love Doctor Who. I do. Favorite show end of story.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    That power rangers thing I said b-4

    by MoffatBabies

    don't think that means I don't love Doctor Who. I do. Favorite show end of story.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Who ARE you?

    by gotilk

    really.. c'mon.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Almost there..

    by gotilk

    Not many more to go.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Did anyone check out the Fan Films I posted

    by gotilk

    in the other DocBack yesterday? Some of them were not horrible. Close to good. Almost totally watchable.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Did anyone check out the Fan Films I posted

    by gotilk

    in the other DocBack yesterday? Some of them were not horrible. Close to good. Almost totally watchable.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by frozen01

    You're right about the humor being far less juvenile. For me, the over-sappy ending kinda killed it, though the episode is growing on me. It is my least favorite of S5, but as a friend and I were discussing last night, one "meh" episode in an entire season is NOT bad... compared to the 8 or 9 episodes from series 3 that I would put in the same category, or worse.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I need to go get new tires in a bit.

    by gotilk

    They are as bald as Kojak.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I need to go get new tires in a bit.

    by gotilk

    They are as bald as Kojak.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Then off to SF!

    by gotilk

    And sushi.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    frozen01

    by gotilk

    Oh yeah! Much worse.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Actually..

    by gotilk

    I'll have the sushi in Berkeley.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    It's going to be so nice to get away

    by gotilk

    for once.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by frozen01

    I REALLY want to watch those but I just haven't had the time, and probably won't until Monday or so. I'll get back to you :)

  • July 15, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Pretty close to popping up.

    by gotilk

    any minute now

  • July 15, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    i;ll never tell

    by MoffatBabies

  • July 15, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    i'll never tell

    by MoffatBabies

    heh he heh

  • July 15, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    That's it for me.

    by MoffatBabies

    Gotta go. I'll check to see what happened at lunch

  • July 15, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Thanks MuppetBabies!

    by gotilk

    Seeya later.. whoever you are. Grrrrr.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    MoffatBabie I meant. sorry

    by gotilk

    Eep.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    MOFFAT BABIES I meant

    by gotilk

    get it right, goatlick

  • July 15, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    WE DID IT!!

    by gotilk

    NOW just post a little while longer to keep us visible for a while. So we don't drop off and it's hard for people to find.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    So I'll check in briefly after I get back from

    by gotilk

    The Big-O or some other tire place. Maybe sears or a cheapo place. Man. I hate stuff like this. Tires, tune ups, oil changes. etc. Bummer.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Just...

    by gotilk

    a couple more before I run off.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    And then it'll stick around for a few hours

    by gotilk

    Just be sure to post here now that you see it. And all will be well. Welcome to our new home!!!

  • July 15, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the new DocBack!!

    by gotilk

    Come on in, the water's fine in the Tardis pool room.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    No running and no diving.

    by gotilk

    Unless you're the Doctor.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    If you're good maybe we'll get Amy

    by gotilk

    into a swimsuit. Oh NOES!! But that might be sexy and we'd all have to have heart attacks!! WHO WILL THINK OF THE CHIIIILLDREN!!??

  • July 15, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    WAUGHHH!!!

    by gotilk

    We can't handle a sexy companion. Whine moan whine. LOL. Just kiddin' folks. See you in a couple of hours.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    New Home! New Home! New Home!!

    by gotilk

    I'm excited. Can you tell?

  • July 15, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    So have fun.

    by gotilk

    I'll be back. (just ignore this silliness)

  • July 15, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I bet you...

    by gotilk

    we'll reach number one by the end of the weekend. Sunday before midnight.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Has the finale aired on BBC America yet?

    by gotilk

    I didn't check my DVR.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Or maybe

    by gotilk

    soneone erased it. THE HORROR!! Oh well it was in SD anyway. What's up with that DirecTV?? Losers.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Silliness ended

    by gotilk

    goal achieved.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Bye!

    by gotilk

    .

  • July 15, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Next goal...

    by gotilk

    PASS the old docback. And let it fall away... like the last leaf of an autumn tree. wow. that was deep.

  • July 15, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    congrats on your first BAMF! guys..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • July 15, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by frozen01

    I think only Pandorica Opens has aired on BBC America. Could be wrong.

  • July 15, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    New Torchwood characters revealed

    by frozen01

    http://tinyurl.com/29a377s <p>"Rex Matheson is a white, twenty-something CIA agent who sounds sort of like FX's animated Archer spy: a fearless, cocky thrill seeker." <p>Torchwood and... CIA? I'm not sure how I feel about this... <p>"Oswald Jones, a convicted murderer and pedophile who will be as shocked as anyone to learn how easily infamy and fame can be exchanged for one another." <p>... Ummmmm.... <p>"Esther Katusi, a CIA grunt in her early 20s who learns what she’s really made of only when she’s forced to" <p>Worst. Character. Description. Ever. <p>This is not making me feel good about the new show. :o\

  • July 15, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/2g58ag9

    by frozen01

    A few interesting suggestions for possible Doctor Who episodes... I particular like the "trapped in the TARDIS" one. <p>And Moffat looks like he just wants to kill the photographer. If I were in his place I'd probably be passed out from the sheer excitement of getting to meet Neil Gaiman... CANNOT wait for that episode!!!! Can't wait just to find out what it's going to be about!!!

  • July 15, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/22qbbsz

    by frozen01

    A glimpse at some of the people who will be in the Christmas special. Yes, yes, fine and good... but who will be the baddie?!?! <p>"Oh, we're going for broke with this one. It's all your favourite Christmas movies at once, in an hour, with monsters and the Doctor and a honeymoon and – oh, you'll see. I've honestly never been so excited about writing anything. I was laughing madly as I typed along to Christmas songs in April. My neighbours loved it so much they all moved away and set up a website demanding my execution. But I'm fairly sure they did it ironically." - The Moff. ;)

  • July 15, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You can own Bessie!

    by frozen01

    If you have about $6,000/£3,800 and a way to get it home... <p>http://tinyurl.com/2vdnaa9

  • July 15, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Who Noobs

    by frozen01

    Listened to the first (and currently only episode so far, I believe) yesterday and it was actually quite good. Kind of an interesting concept, to have two people completely unfamiliar with the Whoniverse starting from the beginning and offering reviews and their take on things. It's like seeing this world that we're all so familiar with through fresh eyes, very cool, and if you dig the podcasting thing, you should check it out: http://whonoobs.blogspot.com/

  • But, I do remember Jon Pertwee's Doctor driving another car, a more futuristic one, I wonder whatever happened to that one?

  • I'm looking forward to see the BBC/STARZ co-production, even if it's only 10 episodes. Don't prejudge, anything can change between now and when they start filming.

  • July 15, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    Oh, my butt will be in the seat either way :) I'm just real unsure how to take these character descriptions. Very bizarre, but at the same time not terribly interesting.

  • Torchwood filming for the series will commence in January 2011. The series is expected to broadcast during that summer both in the UK and the US. I'm going to wait until then to judge. And, oh, good, right between Doctor Who and The Sarah Jane Adventures again.

  • I'm judging it now. I have decided, if John Barrowman and Eve Myles return, and, they are, then, I think they can bring back the greatness that is TORCHWOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In my opinion, of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • The BBC has confirmed veteran actor Michael Gambon and opera diva Katherine Jenkins will guest star in the 2010 Doctor Who Christmas special. But, you are right, who's the baddie, the big bad, the villious villian? Will it be the Yeti? We can only hope and pray.

  • July 15, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    It does, in its own way :) Do you know if the episodes will air simultaneously in the two countries, or if there'll be a delay? We should make 'em wait 2+ weeks :) <p>You watch SJA? I watched the first episode and just couldn't get into it... it wasn't as kiddie as I thought it would be, though. Might try again, but right now I've got too many shows to catch up on.

  • July 15, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Gotta leave something to read in the article :)

    by frozen01

  • July 15, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    You can run.........

    by shibleybc

    but you can't hide!!!!!! :) Gotcha, i can't believe even the who TB has regenerated! :)

  • July 15, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    OK, Gotlik void alert!

    by shibleybc

    C'mon peeps, lets keep this thing growing whilst G-man is absent!

  • July 15, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    There is no spoon!

    by shibleybc

    Has anyone seen "Dog Soldiers"? if so have you noticed he was one of the clerics in the angels two parter! :)

  • July 15, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Love the angels!

    by shibleybc

    Watching the S5 two part Angels eps and boy are they good! i have been watchin since 1974ish and it still makes me scared, smile , laugh and wonder! :)

  • July 15, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    frozen01, SJA is not a bad show..............................

    by axcel1

    Keep in mind, I watched Old-Who so, I liked seeing an old companion in a Who spin-off. It has old enemies and old friends from Old-Who and Nu-Who. The Doctor did make an appearence last year and will again this year.

  • July 15, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    OFF TO SF!!

    by gotilk

    LOve ya all! Have fun. Seeya in the morning!

  • July 15, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    OFF TO SF!!

    by gotilk

    LOve ya all! Have fun. Seeya in the morning!

  • July 15, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    OFF TO SF!!

    by gotilk

    LOve ya all! Have fun. Seeya in the morning!

  • July 15, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Oops, posted to the wrong TB

    by gotilk

    yeesh

  • July 15, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    bye

    by gotilk

    .

  • And, soneone who like the S5 two part Angels episodes, too. The only thing I wondered about that story was why they killed istead of senting them to the past? Was that the result of their rebirth? Maybe, soneday we will know.

  • Got to check out a pic from the new Green Lantern movie.

  • July 15, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Axcel1

    by shibleybc

    If you were oooooooooooooing at me then thanks lol! :) having just watched it again i am sure the doctor mentions the reason why they kill instead off sending back in time but who cares eh!!!! It may be a shock but my disbelief has'nt been suspended this carefully, wonderfully, beautifully and lovingly ever before (apart from my first time round as a youth watching Tom Baker), well done Moff et al :)

  • July 15, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Come Back Gotlik LOL

    by shibleybc

    God knows how he lasted so long without a break! Now i know what silence will fall means :) Goodnight everyone and godbless! :)

  • July 15, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Now, I'm going to say, Wooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww

    by axcel1

    shibleybc, sorry to say, we may be the only ones who think like that, I feel the same way about Who, but, most fans like to put each episode of Who under the microscope. I don't, but, others do, which is their right, of course.

  • I thought I was the only one watch Who like that.

  • That post should read, "I thought I was the only one who watched Doctor Who like that.

  • Our Startling Triumph is gonnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 15, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    gotilk, how could you let it dieeeeeeeeeeeeeee?????????????

    by axcel1

    How???????????????????????????????????

  • July 15, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Silence Will Fall?

    by Pogue__Mahone

    Because our main man gotlik jumped in his TARDIS and is enjoying himself in lovely San Fran!?? NEVER! Let's keep it up... I just rewatched Ark In Space... Tom Baker is still so amazing - a genuine undercurrent of almost madness and glee all mixed together. It's something I think Matt Smith sort of brings to the table as well.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    So sorrrrrrrry...

    by frozen01

    It's NOT dead yet, it's like #4!

  • July 15, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Is there anyone who DOESN'T

    by frozen01

    like the S5 weeping angels two-parter? <p>By the way, I always assumed that this was the reason they began killing people: Before, they sent them back in time so they could feed off of their unused days. Now they've got the power of the Byzantium, and the crack in space and time, so they don't need the scraps that this brings them. With that out of the way, killing people makes sense... otherwise, they could stop them.

  • July 15, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    Oh, no, hun, it wasn't bad at all. In fact it was better than I thought it would be. Just not something I just had to continue watching that moment. When I finish Primeval and catch up on Being Human (if I end up liking it) then I might pick it up again.

  • July 16, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Here you all are.

    by Smashing

    Smashing thought you tried to hide from him, say that in a really gay voiced, it works better. It is 0916 and I am up, my flatmate is having a tumble drier delivered today and I have to wait in for it. I am grumpy today.

  • July 16, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Good Morning All

    by shibleybc

    Well i am up and off to work myself! Hope you all have a fine day and when i get in at midnight i will talk more bollocks ;) Bye!

  • July 16, 2010, 4:58 a.m. CST

    We need to get wooden panels

    by offscauta

    for this Docback. But make sure that we treat them properly. Otherwise they'll warp and all the expense will be wasted and we'll just have to go back to using the original docback.

  • July 16, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Or was that too obscure?

    by offscauta

    5 points to the first person to explain my rubbish reference!

  • July 16, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    So, for those that have seem them:

    by offscauta

    Place the following stories in order of preference: <BR> "An Unearthly Child (just the first ep, ignoring the caveman nonsense)" <BR> "The War Games" <BR> "Frontier in Space" <BR> "Arc in Space" <BR> "The Caves of Androzani" <BR> "Revelation of the Daleks" <BR> "The Curse of Fenric" <BR> The 1996 TV Movie <BR> "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" <BR> "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit" <BR> "The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone"

  • July 16, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Smashing

    by offscauta

    What kind of time frame did they give you for delivery? One of those bullshit all day ones? Can't stand when they do that.

  • July 16, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    My order of those episodes.... Fave to least fave...

    by V'Shael

    "The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone" "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit" "Revelation of the Daleks" "The Curse of Fenric" "The Caves of Androzani" "The War Games" "Frontier in Space" The 1996 TV Movie "An Unearthly Child (just the first ep, ignoring the caveman nonsense)" "Arc in Space"

  • July 16, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST

    They delivered at 0915.

    by Smashing

    Though I only saw them as I looked out the window, they couldn't find the flat, I went back to bed for a nap.

  • July 16, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    0925 even

    by Smashing

    Brain slug Friday.

  • July 16, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Least favorite to favorite, removing the ones I haven't seen.

    by frozen01

    "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit" <p>"The Curse of Fenric" <p>"Arc in Space" <p>The 1996 TV Movie <p>"The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" <p>"The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone"

  • July 16, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Smashing

    by frozen01

    It's only 6:52am here and I already could use a nap :o\

  • July 16, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    ARK in Space

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    offscauta

    by frozen01

    Out of curiosity, why did you choose those episodes?

  • July 16, 2010, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Does anyone listen to the audio dramas?

    by frozen01

    Eventually I want to get into the official audio dramas (love listening to the free fan ones on iTunes at work but I've gotten through them all). Has anyone checked them out? If so, how are they? Worth the $$$ (or the £££)?

  • July 16, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Keep it going

    by frozen01

    We've got a big task ahead of us... beat Inception and Kevin Bacon? Yikes. A CD signing? Why is that #2? <p>Anyways, off to work here soon, where I inevitably will wander back in when I get bored. See you later hopefully!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Frozen01

    by offscauta

    Chose those episodes because they were the last example for each Doctor that I watched from the classic series plus my personal favourite 2 parters for each Doctor from NuWho. Also, apologies for the original arc/ark mishap.<BR> My ranking (least to favourite):<BR> "Revelation"<BR> "Frontier"<BR> 96 Movie<BR> "War Games"<BR> "Unearthly Child"<BR> "Ark"<BR> "Curse"<BR> "Time of Angels"<BR> "Empty Child"<BR> "Impossible Planet"<BR> I'm well aware that many would disagree with me, and that objectively "Impossible Planet" should be much further down. But after the disapointing "New Earth" it was fanatastic to finally get a Doctor Who story set on another world that had the budget and effects to really sell it. I would also say that while I love "The Impossible Planet", "The Satan Pit" doesn't really live up to the setup.<BR> Interesting to see the 96 movie so high up for you. I love the first half but it all falls apart so completely in the last 30 minutes that I can't watch it anymore. Although it does have some great dialogue, and McGann is excellent.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Worst 5 NuWho stories

    by offscauta

    From bad to worse: <BR> 5)Boom Town <BR> 4)Turn Left (Yeah, that's right. Turn Left. I honestly have no idea what people see in this one. Wish I did.) <BR> 3)Planet of the Dead <BR> 2)Love and Monsters (I actually think the first half hour or so is quite good, but as soon as Peter Kay starts running around in a badly made monster costume including a thong, part of me dies a little.) <BR> 1) Fear Her

  • July 16, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Worst 5 from the classic series

    by offscauta

    Of the ones I've seen. <BR> 5)Logopolis (Dull, non-sensical tripe)<BR> 4)Resurrection of the Daleks (A series of plot holes in search of a plot)<BR> 3)Dragonfire (The single worst cliffhanger not only in Doctor Who but possibly of all time. Although the face melting is cool.) <BR> 2)The Twin Dilemma (Shite.)<BR> 1)Time Lash (Even more shite.)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Have I killed this?

    by offscauta

    Don't go, guys. I'll stop making lists, I promise.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    frozen01

    by offscauta

    I've only listened to 2 of the audio dramas. "42" (four short stories with the seventh Doctor, ok, nothing ground breaking but entertaining) and "Blood of the Daleks" (eighth Doctor, introduces new companion Lucie Miller, quite good but for my money has too much reliance on what would be impressive visuals if we could see them. What's the point of devoting whole scenes to giant spaceship explosions and the like in an audio drama?)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Worst 5 from the classic series...

    by DimensionsPlural

    ...and it doesn't include Time & the Rani? Come on! Mel = bad. Kate O'Mara doing Mel impersonation = the pits. And Timelash wasn't that bad, apart from the titular tinselly box. I liked the burning android that appeared in episode one, having been sent back in time from episode 2. But yeah, Twin Dilemma is a big pile of poo alright.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Other audios

    by offscauta

    Reviews of some eighth Doctor audios:<BR> http://tinyurl.com/3yndyqv

  • July 16, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    DimensionsPlural

    by offscauta

    Time & the Rani would have been at number 6. And I liked it when I was 7 and it was first broadcast. It's been a long time since I saw "Timelash", so maybe I'm being too harsh.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    DimensionsPlural

    by offscauta

    Although I was expecting Logopolis or Ressurection to be the controversial choices.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Home for lunch........................................

    by axcel1

    Just have time to say hi, HI!!!!!!!!!! Be back later.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    offscauta

    by DimensionsPlural

    yeah, logopolis is a bit hard to love, bit heavy with doom, decay and adric. Although uncle tom's fall from the dish was my earliest dr who memory, so got to love it for that... I'd also point out that Resurrection has a dalek being pushed out of a freaking window, which makes it cooler than destiny or revelation. But not remembrance. That rocked.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    WOW!!!!!

    by gotilk

    You did it! You kept it alive.<br><br> I spent some quality time with an old friend, hanging around Berkeley. There was even an honest to goodness sit-in and some neighborhood cinema projected on a huge wall with hundreds in the street watching. Wouldn't it be a blast to gather somewhere outside on a summer night and have a Doctor Who marathon? <br><br>It was awesome. I miss the city for those reasons. Don't miss the crazies that much though and there were plenty of those as well. and for the record.. people of Berkeley.. as much as I love you...<br>NO I DO NOT WANT ANY 'HITS'(LSD)!!<br> From now on you'll be able to spot me. I'll be the guy with a big orange shirt with bold black lettering saying "no, I would not like any HITS but thank you.. have a nice day" But to the Algerian homeless man with the incredible singing voice, you were awesome. The world embarrasses itself when it lets people with talent live on the streets while leeches live in luxury and define "work" by how many hours they've spent in their lives doing nothing but justifying their positions, which if examined with any real scrutiny would prove pointless and excessive. "Working for" something actually means working for it, not playing by all the rules and looking the right way. Going to the right parties and marrying your bland equal to have bland copies of yourself that submit to unreal educational pressure from grade school on ..collecting college funds in order to duplicate your "success". So we can start the whole bland, non-productive, ineffectual cycle all over again. And people wonder why our economy is in trouble. People who push numbers think they work for things. We discourage our children from thinking in any way outside the box. But don't confuse my point of view as an endorsement for this "teaching the controversy" bunk. Tell ya what... how about we start "teaching the controversy" during bible study first and see how you like it, then we'll try it with science if anyone wants to move on from there and keep that first program going. BAH!!! What happened to me?? I was only in Berzerkeley for a few hours and look at me!!! LOL!! I'm talking like some kind of radical.<br><br>All joking aside, when I came back here and noticed The Lodger Docback was still over there my heart nearly exploded. AWESOME!! I knew you could do it. Now, I need to get some real rest. Just got home from work after driving back from the Bay Area. Never got to come home, had to go straight in. So I'm pretty much done for the day. But I had to stop in and see how things were going with my favorite talkbackers. Just amazing. I was able to watch it a bit with my cell phone but I forgot my password and eventually I just had to stop set it aside so I could enjoy my evening out. Everyone have a fantastic day. I'll be here to help keep this baby alive later on. Love you all. NO NUKES*... I mean.. ahem... have a great day.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    *

    by gotilk

    actually, I think we NEED nukes for energy.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Unless

    by gotilk

    we want to all become more Amish.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I genuinely missed this place.

    by gotilk

    I really did. See you later on.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I genuinely missed this place.

    by gotilk

    I really did. See you later on.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    gotlik

    by Pogue__Mahone

    Glad you had a great time, gotlik! Welcome back!

  • July 16, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    offscauta

    by frozen01

    The movie was pretty awful *LOL* So cliche-ridden, including the companion. Ohhhh, people getting shot in Chinatown, a blonde woman hanging off the back of a motorcycle... how original! And the guy who played the Master was terrible. Despite that, I loved Paul McGann. I loved how his outfit and the TARDIS looked like they'd just walked off the set of Interview with the Vampire (not because I necessarily like that style, and trust me it does grate on my nerves that people call that "steampunk", but it amuses me to no end :oD). I don't know, I think if I'd seen it back then I would've hated it, but it's got this kind of cheesy wonderful quality to it that I can't really put my finger on.

  • July 16, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Worst Doctor Who episodes

    by frozen01

    Oh, goodness. There's a lot. I'm only going to include nu-Who in this list simply because with the classic episodes I haven't watched enough to really get used to the style, so I probably am not being fair in my grading of them. <p>These are in order of appearance only: <p>- School Reunion <p>- Idiots Lantern <p>- Satan Pit (I actually liked Impossible Planet, but since it is a two-parter it is always dragged down in my mind by its conclusion) <p>- Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks (Two words: Pig people.) <p>- The Lazarus Experiment (I seem to be the only one who absolutely LOATHED this episode. I refuse to watch it again, I hated it so much.) <p>The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords (the story itself is fairly good, I loved UNIT and the Valiant, but the CGI, much like in Lazarus Experiment, killed it for me. And while the Master's playlist is amusing in hindsight, it was incredibly annoying to actually watch. Also not a big fan of the whole post-Apocalyptic thing.) <p>- Stolen Earth/Journey's End (Love Donna. Love Wilf. Love Harriet Jones. Shadow Proclamation, yay! Hated shoving every single character and crossover they could think of in. Hated the Rose/human Doctor thing... so soap opera-ish and a tad creepy. The TARDIS towing the Earth, just... no.) <p>Honorable mention: <p>- Unicorn and the Wasp (it was amusing enough for one viewing, but that was enough for me) <p>- Fear Her (this seems to be everyone's favorite punching bag, but it wasn't that bad for me. Just kind of... pointless.) <p>- Love and Monsters (They made an alien out of Fat Bastard. And then threw in a BJ joke for good measure. Classy. However, this doesn't go on my list above simply because I liked the concept of a Doctor Who story told from the perspective of someone other than the Doctor or one of his companions.)

  • July 16, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Audio dramas

    by frozen01

    I don't know, I've listened to a BUNCH of fan dramas that have gunfights and scenic planets and things that you would think are kind of pointless, being completely in audio form, but most of the appeal is the picture in my mind that these dramas paint... like reading a book, except I can work at the same time :) I really appreciate the skill it takes to tell these stories and still be able to get the point across very effectively.

  • July 16, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Favorite episodes

    by frozen01

    Anything writing by Moffat, plus Human Nature/Family of Blood and Tooth and Claw. I really liked City of Death, too... Romana is awesome, I need to see more with her in it. And the hat! In fact, I'm wearing my Romana hat today :)

  • July 16, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    just want you to know im on the second doctor now..

    by Six Demon Bag

    and the CD signing thread is not to be underettimeted.<P>for it will be your doom..

  • July 16, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Speaking of companions

    by frozen01

    We haven't talked too much about them. Who is everyone's favorite? Least favorite? <p>Personally I liked Donna, and obviously Romana, but HATED Peri. Sorry, it's the accent. Well, and the whining.

  • July 16, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    just watched THE MOONBASE

    by Six Demon Bag

    polly was a svelte companion.<P>stupid BBC junking all her eps. i can only hear her voice, which is like sweet sweet nectar.

  • July 16, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    frozen01, you hated Peri???????????????????

    by axcel1

    Well, I'm a guy, so, Peri was my favorite. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Peri!!!!!!!!

  • Of course, Mel, thank god for Ace replacing her. Ok, maybe both Peri and Ace are my favorites, for different reasons. of course.

  • I have enjoyed all Nu-who episodes, I really can't think of any of them that I consider bad or unwatchable. I'm sorry to hear you didn't enjoy those episodes as much as I did. Nobody here is right or wrong, everyone is giving their own personal opinion.

  • "No one here is right or wrong, you're just less right than I am." LOL

  • July 16, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    worst companions

    by DimensionsPlural

    well yes mel, obviously. And adric too, neither could act and just pissed me off the whole time. I also didn't like martha, for the same reason. Plus her whiny, lovelorn character didn't help. Or was that just me? We need another leela, a psycho savage eager to kill to impress the doctor. Plus, those legs...

  • I was trying to be funny.

  • July 16, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    DimensionsPlural, worst companions.........................

    by axcel1

    With the exception of Mel, let's say, least favorite. Of Nu-Who, I really don't have of dislike for any of them. Of Old-Who, starting with Pertwee, Liz Shaw, Jo Grant, Vislor Turlough (I don't care what the reason is, he was a jerk.), Tegan Jovanka (Now, she was whiny.) I can't really judge companions before Pertwee since a lot of the stories are incomplete.

  • It's too bad the BBC can't, if not animate the lost parts of the story, remake the whole thing as a Doctor Who special. I'd watch it, but, I don't know about the rest of the Doctor Who fans out there.

  • July 16, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by Pogue__Mahone

    i would KILL to see those lost episodes refurbished and animated. I think ANY WHO fan would! Maybe BBC is underestimating how much fandom would like to see those! Would be a wonderful treat if they were doing them and not telling anyone for a big anniversary surprise..... hmmmmmmmm

  • I fell the same way, but, as I said in an earlier post, the BBC have stated that, after animating the missing parts of "The Invasion", (I wish I could find it.), they have stated it would be too expensive to continue doing it to the other missing episodes, so, they stopped doing it.

  • And, was glad to get two extra stories, but, if they do it again, I hope the BBC consider redoing an old Who story. (The early Cybermen or Dalek stories come to mind.)

  • July 16, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    DimensionsPlural

    by frozen01

    Well, I thought she was a fine actress, but I didn't like Martha either for the whole "lovesick puppy dog" thing. <p>Mental note, check out episodes with Leela...

  • July 16, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    No, I didn't particularly like Peri

    by frozen01

    The accent really got to me, and she didn't seem to have anything to actually offer. The Doctor might as well have been talking to a brick wall most of the time. And honestly I didn't find her all that attractive, especially when there are finer offerings :)

  • Eureka is on now, rerunning last week's time travel episode, with the results running thur the rest of the season.

  • As the saying goes, "To each his own" and, we can agree to disagree.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Cool, thanks for letting me know

    by frozen01

    I will record it. I figure I can jump in now. Of course, this will just push SJA back even further *L*

  • July 16, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, no!

    by frozen01

    We've fallen off :(

  • July 16, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Gotilk, SAVE US!

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by shibleybc

    Firstly thank god Gotlik is nearly back!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Secondly

    by shibleybc

    Frozen, if you want some damn fine Leela action watch Invasion of time, tom baker! Sontarans, Gallifrey, Timelords K9(ish), an actual swimming pool in the tardis (this may have been another ep tho) need i say more!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    As i said earlier about companions...........................

    by axcel1

    I didn't care too much for Liz Shaw, Jo Grant, Vislor Turlough (I don't care what the reason is, he was a jerk.), Tegan Jovanka (Now, she was whiny.)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Thirdly

    by shibleybc

    Peri, is lovely!!!!! PS Frozen yes her voice does grate a bit, but in the UK there is a saying............ ;)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Fourthly

    by shibleybc

    I am a big fan of turlough axcel! But that has a lot to do with owning a big finish CD signed by him!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Fifthly

    by shibleybc

    I am now making words up!

  • My first Doctor Who story, if any Who story can get you to watch it, it's that one, yes, it had everything.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, really, now...

    by frozen01

    And what, pray tell, is that saying? *LOL*

  • July 16, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Sixthly

    by shibleybc

    The invasion is a superb episode and i find it a brilliantly flawless piece of work seemlesly knitting together the two mediums, but what can you expect from the makers of Danger Mouse!!!!! COSGROVE HALL, brilliant people!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who is taking over our Netflix queue

    by frozen01

    They better send the discs quickly before hubby notices I've hijacked the DVD queue. :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Frozen

    by shibleybc

    Its "dont talk with your mouth full"

  • July 16, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    ;)

    by shibleybc

  • Don't be pushing SJA back even further, remember, the Doctor makes an appearance there before the Xmas Special.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    *LOL!*

    by frozen01

    Charming :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Seventhly

    by shibleybc

    If you younger or more distant guys/gals want full on, but not quite right doctor who then check out dalek invasion earth and the other film starring peter cushing from the 60's, they are remakes of early hartnell episodes and even if slightly different in a few ways they are still great fun!

  • ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Why not check out the Hartnell originals? Believe it or not, they were pretty good.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    Maybe I'll just catch that one episode :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Funny you should say that

    by frozen01

    I'm watching Time Meddler as I type this.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Eightly

    by shibleybc

    Dear Axcel, might have already seen them! :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Ninthly

    by shibleybc

    Were Ninth! :) i am so chuffed i had a part in this LOLOL! :) well done all Rassilon (Gotlik) will be proud when he rouses from his nap!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    And.....

    by shibleybc

    That should have been awakens not rouses! lolol :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Not satisfied with ninth

    by frozen01

    I want to take down that CD signing TB.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    LOL lets do it!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Then we need a subject...

    by frozen01

    I was trying to be a chestier gotilk before and failed a bit... someone else needs to take a go at it.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    At least I hope I'm chestier...

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    LOLOL

    by shibleybc

    What on earth can they be TBing about, there aint anything on telly or in the movies worth talking about but Doctor Who and that aint even on ! :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    frozen!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I peeked

    by frozen01

    And honestly I haven't the foggiest idea what the hell they're talking about.

  • July 16, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Chestier eh!

    by shibleybc

    Seen your FB pics and unless he is a man with very large Moobs you win the title! I have tried to keep the torch alive while our leader rests and i hope he is satisfied with my work, his most humble docback servant Shibster! :)

  • July 16, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Eighth!

    by shibleybc

    No not 8 posts EIGHTH!!!!!

  • July 16, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by frozen01

    You've seen my pics. And you know how fanboys in their basements can be. So I consider it about a 50/50 chance :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    We certainly are moving up!

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    By the way

    by frozen01

    I said that "fanboy" comment with all the love in the world, of course :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I think we lost axcel1

    by frozen01

    to Eureka. Shame :o\

  • July 16, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    A little off topic

    by frozen01

    but they shut down Michigan avenue today to film Transformers 3. A friend of mine was in the city with her kid and apparently caught a glimpse of some of the sets along the riverfront. Almost makes me want to watch Transformers 3... I love seeing familiar places in movies :) Road to Perdition was particularly nice for that reason... I had gone to see it on a date and on the way to meet her walked over one of the bridges in the film.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Another fallen warrior eh!

    by shibleybc

    I will play reveille for Axcel in a moment, he was a great man, we shall surely miss him!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Even if he does have horrible tastes in women

    by frozen01

    ;) <p>(JUUUUUST kidding, of course!)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    film locations

    by shibleybc

    I guess you have never heard of coronation street eh, its a uk soap!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    15 posts and werw are 7th!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Axcel

    by shibleybc

    and I are of a similar age i think, and we had different tastes back then! ;)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I've only heard of it

    by frozen01

    Don't remember when, probably in a podcast or something. All I know about it is exactly what you just wrote *L*

  • July 16, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Gotlik, this ones for you! :)

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Gotlik, this ones for you! :)

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Gotlik, this ones for you! :)

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Gotlik, this ones for you! :)

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    OK, ten more related Doctor who posts and we are quids in!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Mmmmm

    by frozen01

    I didn't know Matt Smith was already signed on for three years... that's good to know!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    apologies to the Mods

    by shibleybc

    i now know why gotlik gets multiple enties of the same post lol

  • July 16, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    RE: Hmmmmm

    by shibleybc

    I had heard at least two but three is even better! My brief worry that it may stumble were completely unfounded!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Impatience with the "post talckback" button!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    7th!

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I'd heard two, as well

    by frozen01

    And that's the good part about being such a newcomer... I didn't have the anticipation or worry :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Sweet

    by frozen01

    Keep up the good work :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I lose patience with the slow button.

    by gotilk

    and my alternately very fast finger.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Did someone say we should be sixth?

    by gotilk

    Well, we should.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    It's pretty unpredictable

    by gotilk

    I git that last one 4 times in anger because I had to wait so long. But it looks like only one popped up.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I HIT that last one 4 times in anger

    by gotilk

    typos are terrible and frequent for me. But I cannot pass up an opportunity to apologize for them.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    So did anyone go back and check to see if

    by gotilk

    anything was written in that last TB?

  • July 16, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Sixth?

    by frozen01

    Pffft, think bigger!!!!!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Off topic for just a moment.

    by gotilk

    I'd like to support another TB'ers attempt to start a campaign to get AMC in HD on DirecTV. http://tinyurl.com/3x9wmxw It's a crime that they don't offer it.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    This is kinda cute

    by frozen01

    http://tinyurl.com/334yjph

  • July 16, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Handover

    by shibleybc

    OK dude let me be clear! You are a legend! I have carried the flag whilst you have been away (or tried to, amongst others) and now i gladly hand it back!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I would complain at the same time to DirecTV

    by gotilk

    for not carrying BBC America in HD.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Gotilk

    by frozen01

    Not since yesterday, no...

  • July 16, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    shibleybc

    by gotilk

    You're the best!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    frozen01?

    by gotilk

    Third?

  • July 16, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Top?

    by shibleybc

  • July 16, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    top

    by gotilk

    I like the sound of that.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    top

    by gotilk

    I like the sound of that.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Going to look for "Doctor Who and...."

    by gotilk

    essays/articles. They always like to tie the Doc to pet issues so there should be a few.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    There ya go...

    by frozen01

    Top. :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Not an "issue"..

    by gotilk

    but still interesting enough so that someone out there actually purchased a domain.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Yes, I'm watching Eureka............................

    by axcel1

    The time travel from last week is continuing.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and Philosophy

    by gotilk

    Trial of a Time Lord and The Death of Socrates.."I have always viewed “The Trial of a Time Lord” as being analogous to the trial and death of Socrates, and episodes 5-8 provide some of the sharpest similarities. The similarities are seen in three main aspects. First, the Doctor is accused of putting his companions (and all of those around him) in danger. The accusation is similar to the accusation waged against Socrates: that he corrupted the youth. The Doctor corrupts his companions by teaching them that life is much more than simply getting by, and that one should live his or her life to its fullest." http://tinyurl.com/24zgmu6

  • July 16, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    can anyone else find similar stuff?

    by gotilk

    I have to make dinner.

  • July 16, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    be back in a bit

    by gotilk

    :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    be back in a bit

    by gotilk

    :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    be back in a bit

    by gotilk

    :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    I've got the DVR recording it, I'll catch it at some point... Watching Psych right now, it's easier to follow and talk at the same time :)

  • July 16, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    And.....................................................

    by axcel1

    I LOVE that the robot Deputy is back!!!!!!!!!

  • July 16, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Spoilers :)

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    See gotilk leaves

    by frozen01

    and suddenly it's all crickets and tumbleweed. :o\

  • Psych is one of my favorites!!!!!!!!!

  • July 16, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    I know, it's a great show. So funny! :)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    wow I was relieved

    by gotilk

    good. I woke up feeling like someone had beat me with a bag of cats.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Awwww...

    by frozen01

    Poor cats ;)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    *smack*

    by gotilk

    *scratch bite scratch* *SMACK*

  • July 16, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Ok, forget I said robot Deputy...............................

    by axcel1

    You didn't hear it from me.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Whoever put those cats in a sack

    by gotilk

    you go right to hell.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    *LOL* I'd already forgotten about it :)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I blkieve there was a sloshing noise as well

    by gotilk

    so it could have been a sack of wet cats. Much angrier, much more bitey.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    blkieve?

    by gotilk

    I really need to draw those letters back in or plug in a new keyboard.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    The new Eureka is on already?

    by gotilk

    The second episode?

  • July 16, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by frozen01

    You on Facebook yet? :)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Swipe File - Doctor Who and Superman

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/34gg6h4

  • July 16, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    frozen01 I will be

    by gotilk

    very soon.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and Batman

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/3ax3bgn

  • July 16, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and the Jesus Tradition

    by gotilk

    Interesting exercise. http://tinyurl.com/37qg3xb

  • And, as I was talking frozen01, the first episode was a time travel story, with The time travel resulting in an altered timeline continuing thoughtout the season.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Instant Celebrity

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/24yetrj

  • July 16, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and the convergence of media

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/37paq7k

  • July 16, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    So with Eureka they really are doing it all

    by gotilk

    season? I'm surprised. And interested.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I liked that first episode

    by gotilk

    and the improved budget.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I guess it's time to run out there to my DVR and

    by gotilk

    watch the second one.

  • July 16, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and Lady Gaga

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/2c7drhk

  • July 16, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Smith Quitting for Hollywood? (nah)

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/38nh7rd

  • July 16, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    back in a bit

    by gotilk

    .

  • July 16, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    back in a bit

    by gotilk

    .

  • July 16, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    back in a bit

    by gotilk

    .

  • July 16, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Ryan who?

    by gotilk

    lol

  • July 16, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    That instant celebrity one is interesting

    by frozen01

    I've heard on podcasts about similar things happening. Pretty cool :)

  • July 16, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    On A Whovian Theology

    by gotilk

    Love the illustration. http://tinyurl.com/23r2qhl

  • July 16, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who church services

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/2eyqyd9

  • July 16, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and religion

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/2v2au9e

  • July 16, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    and if you look HARD enough at anything

    by gotilk

  • July 16, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    The Lonely God

    by gotilk

    Doctor as messianic figure http://tinyurl.com/336yfpd

  • July 16, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    I love how over the years, decades

    by gotilk

    centuries.. religion embeds itself into culture (usually by force) and then many years later people pontificate as to whether or not the creators of fiction are trying to "send a message" when in fact... these terms are just ever-present in the language of our culture and no better representations, metaphors or simply words exist.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Monkey Crack? I love that term..

    by gotilk

    http://tinyurl.com/2b5hz58

  • July 16, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Is Doctor Who bad for women?

    by gotilk

    riii hi hi ight. http://tinyurl.com/27n88vj

  • July 16, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    by frozen01

  • July 16, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I want a

    by frozen01

    "What the Hell Do I Do Now" menu :)

  • July 16, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I love how he describe Twilight

    by gotilk

    and then fails to recognize the real truth.. that Twilight more resembles the traditional girl swept off her feet by a mysterious stranger story best represented in classic Who rather than the OTHER way AROUND. What a bunch of nonsense. But interesting read nonetheless.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    lol

    by gotilk

    Yes a what the hell do I do now menu would be great almost anywhere.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Not long now till number 2.

    by gotilk

    And then like a thief in the night.. when the rest of the world is asleep.. I'll strike.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Be back in a bit.

    by gotilk

    .

  • July 16, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    That's unpredictable.

    by gotilk

    Not sure what's going on. Maybe they fixed the bug that made posts hang and then show up as 3 or 4.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    That's unpredictable.

    by gotilk

    Not sure what's going on. Maybe they fixed the bug that made posts hang and then show up as 3 or 4.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    That's unpredictable.

    by gotilk

    Not sure what's going on. Maybe they fixed the bug that made posts hang and then show up as 3 or 4.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Or maybe not.

    by gotilk

  • July 16, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Those signed CD folks

    by gotilk

    appear to be asleep at the wheel. Strike now?

  • July 16, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Now that I've covered religion a lot

    by gotilk

    I have a TON of Doctor Who and atheism stuff lined up.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I dunno

    by frozen01

    I mean, I love religion and mythology, although I'm not religious myself, the stories have always been interesting to me (there is a reason Neil Gaiman is my favorite author)... but that said, I find the attempts to tie the story of the Doctor to Christian (shit, what's the polite word for "mythology"?) to be a bit of a stretch. I understand the desire to tie two things that mean so much to a person, but I would think that a comparison between the Doctor's regeneration and the concept of the Christian resurrection, for example, would actually be a bit... offensive to the believer. <p>Sorry, no offense meant... it's been a long week and my brain does not want to work...

  • July 16, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Is Doctor Who bad for women

    by frozen01

    This is why I've enjoyed Amy and Donna so much. They weren't the star-struck/love-struck dependent that Rose and Martha, and from what I've seen, quite a few classic Who companions, were. The one great thing about The Beast Below is that Amy didn't just give herself up to the story, and she wasn't just fighting to do what the Doctor wanted to do, she was outsmarting him, she was seeing things that he couldn't. Matt Smith's Doctor has been flawed, allowing for Amy to occasionally shine when she can. Rose's moment occurred only because she was obsessed with the Doctor and was aided by the TARDIS, whereas Amy seemed to do it out of respect, not love or adoration. Donna, as well... her contribution only could occur because of the Doctor/Donna thing.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    and having actually read the Twilight books

    by frozen01

    (no, I have no idea what was wrong with me) the comparison between Bella and Rose or Martha, while amusing, was way off. Bella literally couldn't even walk down a friggin' sidewalk without the help of her man. And instead of inspiring her to learn and grow, Edward insisted on her being ever the more dependent on him as their "relationship" progressed. This does not describe the Doctor's relationship with ANY of his companions. <p>But page 3 is awesome :) <p>And the end? "Hot." "Hot." "Hot." "Mehhhhhh." Yes, if only all girls/women thought that way :) <p>That was a good read... thanks for sharing that!

  • July 16, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Ooooooooh

    by frozen01

    I want to see the atheism stuff. You're really good at this, gotilk!

  • July 16, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    frozen01

    by gotilk

    That matches my opinion spot on relating to Dr and Women. And thanks! I'll get going on it right now.

  • July 16, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    A couple of these might have been posted

    by gotilk

    before. Apologies. SO much has been written about religion and atheism as it relates to the Doctor and even modern science fiction in general. I'll try to stick to Doctor-specific stuff and google deep for the really weird and unusual stuff.

  • July 16, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    We could all use a good "deep Googling"

    by gotilk

    from time to time. Sounds a bit dirty though, doesn't it?

  • July 16, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Gay, Atheist Doctor Who writer sparks religious

    by gotilk

    discussion. On "The FreeThinker" http://tinyurl.com/23f3umn

  • July 16, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Spiritual Atheism and Doctor Who

    by gotilk

    Is spiritual atheism like a vegetarian ham sandwich with bacon? Sounds like it. http://tinyurl.com/cubl9v

  • July 16, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    OK DocBackers...

    by ScaryWaitress

    HELP A SISTAH OUT!!!! <P> If I watch The End of Time before the other Tennant specials, WILL IT FUCK EVERYTHING UP?!?!?!?!? <P> Goddamn it, this is a geek site. Embrace your inner (or total) geekdom, and HELP ME.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I'm with frozen on the whole Christian/Doctor line being

    by ScaryWaitress

    a total fucking stretch. <P> But, then, Christians just go ahead and see what they wanna see, you know? So whatevs, Bible Thumpers. You just go crazy with that shit.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    OK, gotik, wait up...

    by ScaryWaitress

    SPIRITUAL ATHEISM? That's redundancy, but an oxymoron. Atheism DISCOUNTS spirituality... or at least reduces it to a nice story people tell each other. You know, to pass the time... before they die and become nothing...

  • July 16, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    And one last thing...

    by ScaryWaitress

    the whole idea of the Doctor getting involved with any of his companions would have really pissed me off... before the Rose story arc. They sold me on that one, hook line and sinker. Martha was totally hung up on him, yes, but Rose's relationship grew over two separate incarnations, into something pretty serious. I don't recall him getting so hung up on a companion that he talked about them through the course of ANOTHER companion's tenure... my point is, if you're going to discount every hint of actual affection (or even more) as anti-woman, that's a bit extreme. Love is part of life... as the Doctor well knows, having lost so many he cares about. I didn't love the Martha story arc so much either, but the Rose arc really stuck with me... ESPECIALLY having watched the Doctor since the 70's.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Of course, that the Rose arc started out

    by ScaryWaitress

    with Eccleston kind of made it hard NOT to buy it. <P> I praise the good DT all the time, but Eccleston had a dark edge to his Doctor that I found DEEPLY believable. He was brilliant. I was SO pissed when I heard he was only going to be one season.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    And, I'm here by myself.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Not unusual. I tend to clear a room out. <P> Anyway, if I've offended anyone... well, let's just say you aren't the first.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    That was an interesting article though.

    by gotilk

    Going into Buffy, Angel, House and The Doctor. I hear those jesuits are great teachers though. I went to a Catholic school for many years and they were a little strict but I actually LOVED most of the nuns.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Sister Joan and Veronica were my faves.

    by gotilk

    Although Joan was a little dour. She was a closet goofball though and I had many chances to bring it out of her. When you get to know them, many nuns are full, real women with minds of their own and diverse personalities. They get a lot of "bad press" for being strict and punishing. But Veronica is partly responsible for nurturing my inner skeptic when I was a small kiddie. Miss them all. But I NEVER had any kind of exposure to monks, jesuits or any teachers at catholic school that were not nuns with one exception. And he was just a regular guy from NY.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by gotilk

    No worries. I agree.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    On what, gotik? I posted a lot of shit up there.

    by ScaryWaitress

  • July 16, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    And no I don't think it will mess anything up.

    by gotilk

    But watching it all in order will be better every time.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    That made it sound like there are men who are

    by gotilk

    nuns. lol. Late night writing. Not for everyone.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I agree on the "spiritual atheism" thing AND

    by gotilk

    your Eccleston comment too actually.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    AND the Christian/Doctor thing.

    by gotilk

    HUGE stretch. Like I mentioned earlier, Christian influence is ingrained in culture (usually by force in the past, where it now counts) and they point to all these references that cannot be avoided. The Lazarus thing.. etc. I mean, when you're searching for names that make people think of immortality, what choices do you have? Dorian Gray, Lazarus.. thems some slim pickins.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    OK, but then WHAT ORDER do I watch...

    by ScaryWaitress

    The Waters of Mars <P> The End of Time <P> The Planet of Death <P> The Next Doctor <P> Please place these in the appropriate odred for viewing.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    That's *order*, not odred.

    by ScaryWaitress

  • July 16, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    The Atheist Experience Doctor Who intro

    by gotilk

    just for fun... at about 1:50 in the video. Goofy, but actually a very informative show with some great debates. http://tinyurl.com/27fg7a9

  • July 16, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Gotik, re: slim pickin's...

    by ScaryWaitress

    actually it's not... which makes me smirk when Christians start talking their "truth" spiel. In fact, the regenerating hero has been the center of many, many God myths since before recorded history... anyone hear of Osiris? This all originated due to man's observations of how seeds grow each year. It's a glorified CROP myth. There are actually LOTS of names you could name, if you're looking for heroes who regenerate (or resurrect, if you prefer.) It's just that modern people tend to not know their history.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    FlickPhilosopher

    by gotilk

    Impossible Planet/Satan Pit article http://tinyurl.com/2ekto9x Like that first comment at the end.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    50 most brilliant Atheists of all time.

    by gotilk

    Number 48? RTD! http://tinyurl.com/c5l4wb Nice list with some people included that will surprise you.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    although

    by gotilk

    The inclusion of Mark Zurckerberg is just too obvious. It's a symptom of his Aspergers.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    THE TOP

    by TheTop

    GIVES TWILIGHT MINUS THREE WOBBLES

  • July 16, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    slim pickens when it comes to NON

    by gotilk

    religious points of reference to almost any subject. Christians can point and yell "SEEE" with almost anything. But what they forget is that the all-pervasive biblical references in culture is mostly due to having those references pushed on cultures of the past by FORCE. That's all I'm saying. Sure we have a lot of modern points of reference for all sorts of things. But it can be hard to avoid connections with the past without including references to the bible, it's pushers and it's historical figures, whether they be actual biblical figures or famous people connected with the church in it's history. That's all I'ze sayin' yo.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    TheTop

    by gotilk

    True dat.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Won't be long now.

    by gotilk

    Signed CD dorks.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Nah. Just kiddin' signed CD folks.

    by gotilk

    I love ya.

  • July 16, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Gotilk, my friend...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I'm an atheist. you're preaching to the choir. <P> Also, my husband's family are- many of them- in the fold. I know what you're saying... even though I think you're overreaching a bit. Anyway, the whole Crusades meme is over. You don't need to bring that up, to nail modern Christians. Their own hypocrisy is generally enough.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Dawkins is married to Romana!

    by gotilk

    Now there's a connection. I think I may have heard of this before, but didn't really make the connection because I was not exposed as much to old Who before. Here's a nice article mentioning it and atheism, Doctor Who, etc. <br><br> http://tinyurl.com/5v735v

  • July 17, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Oh, and BTW, we jumped off the Signed CD thread.

    by ScaryWaitress

    We're laying a little low at the moment... the night crew just showed up though. <P> Really... this isn't a competition. We just hang out, because we like each other's company.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    You guys jumped?...cool...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...signed, CD Dork

  • July 17, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by gotilk

    Same here. Except for the husband bits. Crusades meme? Oh my. It goes just a *bit* further and deeper than that don't you think? I never even mentioned the crusades in general. Religion has a long history of burning cultures and replacing them with their own. Far beyond and before those little old cute crusades. Islam poops the crusades and eats witch hunts for breakfast.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    You know I love you all.

    by gotilk

    Signed CD folks.. Ryan Reynolds fans/haters. Etc. This is just fun.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by gotilk

    Nice to see you! I'll pop over and say hi. signed, Doctor Who DORK!

  • July 17, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    ...do that, gotilk...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...as I've said before...you're doing good work here.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Reason and maybe a little leaning

    by gotilk

    seen as "atheist scripture" in this article. http://tinyurl.com/odu8bu

  • July 17, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by gotilk

    Thanks!! :)

  • July 17, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Gotilk... no, I think meme cuts it perfectly.

    by ScaryWaitress

    No sense in giving more power that it's due, IMO. Christians do that shit... can't talk about demons, etc, because it might bring them around. I reject that superstitious crap. <P> You didn't need to mention the Crusades... but you might as well have, really. It's all the same. <P> Anyway, I'm off. Nice chatting with ya!

  • July 17, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who on the Athiest Nexus

    by gotilk

    A nice group. http://tinyurl.com/28r88b2

  • July 17, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I find this one interesting in that it makes me

    by gotilk

    think about the differences between looking for the truth in the gaps of knowledge rather than filling those gaps with proof-free, imagined explanations(? more like guesses really) literally in the millions. But still, it's about the Doctor, so here it is... http://tinyurl.com/ybum8pt <br><br>Humor of note: The idea of mind-reading as an idea that is in conflict with a materialistic world view. Funny, I could have sworn the mind communicated with "itself" using electrical signals between brain cells, dendrites, etc. Seems to fall under the realm of the material world pretty well. It's not hard to imagine a time when we will be able to "translate" those signals into a more focused interpretation. Hard to take it seriously when he still sees the human brain as a mystical thing rather than a complex organ we don't fully yet understand. We're "working on it" doesn't mean we're wrong about everything we know already. Still worth reading.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    The common use of the words...

    by gotilk

    "a doctor who" makes it very difficult to search for specific things on Google related to "doctor who" rather than "a doctor who". Even if you include "-a" in your search. But it's fun to do still because I find a lot of unexpected things. I'm going to get back to doing more of the fan film and fan fic stuff soon because I barely scratched the surface before.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The common use of the words...

    by gotilk

    "a doctor who" makes it very difficult to search for specific things on Google related to "doctor who" rather than "a doctor who". Even if you include "-a" in your search. But it's fun to do still because I find a lot of unexpected things. I'm going to get back to doing more of the fan film and fan fic stuff soon because I barely scratched the surface before.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The common use of the words...

    by gotilk

    "a doctor who" makes it very difficult to search for specific things on Google related to "doctor who" rather than "a doctor who". Even if you include "-a" in your search. But it's fun to do still because I find a lot of unexpected things. I'm going to get back to doing more of the fan film and fan fic stuff soon because I barely scratched the surface before.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by gotilk

    I agree though, really. I think bringing up the crusades is just too easy.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    And yes, it's always nice to chat with you.

    by gotilk

    Thanks for being here!

  • July 17, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by gotilk

    I always wondered the origin of your name. Where did you come up with that? Is there a pop culture reference?

  • July 17, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    gotilk...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I was dubbed ScaryWaitress by a real-life acquaintance, a woman I worked with in the restaurant biz. I wanted to learn how to cook, so I would watch the kitchen staff... they thought I was hovering for my orders, so the sous chef took to calling me that as a warning that I was being annoying. <P> True story: she was a lesbian. If I had met her earlier, I would have had a thing for her. She was an EXTREMELY cool person. But, being only 35% lesbian, it would not have been fair.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Heh. Too easy.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I went for Crusades, because most people on here don't know much beyond that. <P> I apologize for underestimating you. <P> You still never answered my question, though, so I am inclined to be miffed. AND, I'm tired, so I shall depart. <P> Buono notte!

  • July 17, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    So sorry for missing your question!

    by gotilk

    I just scrolled back and tried to find it.. still not fining which thing it was. :( So do you cook now? I just met a chef last night, she was great. She cooks for a hospice. Really nice lady with some amazing ink. Quite an artist, too. Looks like I missed you though. :( In any case, have a great night and thanks again.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I think I'll stick around

    by gotilk

    post a few more articles. Reading all this makes me want to write up an article of my own relating to Doctor Who, religion, atheism. Could be fun.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I think I'll stick around

    by gotilk

    post a few more articles. Reading all this makes me want to write up an article of my own relating to Doctor Who, religion, atheism. Could be fun.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I ran out of half and half.

    by gotilk

    Off to the store for a few minutes.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I ran out of half and half.

    by gotilk

    Off to the store for a few minutes.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Right after I say....

    by gotilk

  • July 17, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    WE'RE NUMBER ONE!

    by gotilk

    We're number one! I knew we could do it again. Now back to your regularly scheduled Doctor Who discussions.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    THE QUESTION. FOR THE FOURTH TIME.

    by ScaryWaitress

    The Waters of Mars The End of Time The Planet of Death The Next Doctor Please place these in the appropriate order for viewing. <P> And, good luck on your half-n-half acquirement.

  • July 17, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Ooh.. my point and shoot

    by gotilk

    camera is in town. I just tracked it. Should be fun to have around. Watch out for numerous pics of my adorable dog and little if any of my ugly mug.

  • July 17, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    OH!!!

    by gotilk

    The Next Doctor - aired 25th Dec 2008.<br><br> Plaet of The Dead - aired 11th April 2009.<br><br> The End of Time - aired Dec 25th 2009 and Jan 1st 2010.<br><br>Whew. That was so easy. Sorry it took so friggen long for one of us to give you an answer.

  • July 17, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST

    PLANET of the dead

    by gotilk

    I'm so sick of this keyboard but it's replacement is USB. I hate a keyboard taking up a USB slot. But I may have reached my breaking point.

  • July 17, 2010, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Oh the irony.

    by gotilk

    and now she's gone.

  • July 17, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    That's it.

    by gotilk

    In spite of the coffee, I just ran out of juice. Maybe I'll stop back in before work.

  • July 17, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Love ya all.

    by gotilk

    Great job everyone!!

  • July 17, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Is this true?

    by IGoToCollege

    Couldn't find anything else on here about it, but apparently, they're doing the Arrested Development movie after all. http://tinyurl.com/22rtucs

  • You forgot "The Waters of Mars", which aired November 15 2009.

  • 1.) I was way tired from work, and b.) you guys were talk about religion and the Twilight books, neither of which I am interested in talking about.

  • I never got into Arrested Development, so, don't care about the movie.

  • Doctor Dan Stays With The Lodger!! I consider it "A Startling Triumph"!!, but, that's just me.

  • Just because I have no interest in those 3 subjects, doesn't mean, don't talk about them or they don't belong here.

  • We'll bring that baby back!!!!!!!!!!!

  • WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    You know what they say about number two, don't you?????????

    by axcel1

    No, not that number two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • We try harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Not that number two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Scary

    by Six Demon Bag

    The next doctor<p>planet of the dead<p>waters of mars<p>the end of time <p>don't listen to the whobackers, I will steer you in the direction proper

  • July 17, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    See what you've accomplished here?

    by wtriker1701

    I'm relieved youu took my advice jumping over. We have some DocbackGems here that call for pushing! This one is the second of those 5th season reviews that will live long in the Top Ten list. <p> And then there will be #3 and so on. <p> Let's make the 5th season the TTDBS - the first Top Ten DockBack Season EVER!!! <p> Party on, Doc!!! <p> And gotlik, of course! The Preserver of the DB!

  • July 17, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by gotilk

    I liked The Lodger. (the episode and the album)

  • July 17, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    and she asked about those three

    by gotilk

    I assumed she'd already seen waters of mars. But if she hasn't, thanks!

  • July 17, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    wtriker1701

    by gotilk

    Yep! And thanks, it really was a great idea. And now here we are! The first Top Ten DocBack season ever!! <br><br>Party on, party on indeed.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Question of the moment......

    by gotilk

    If you could or would want to make what some here call "a game changing" moment/event/change for Doctor Who, what would it be? Now, I'm talking BIG. So big you would have thousands of people considering boycotting the series because of it. Not simply for the purpose of bothering those people, of course. But to take the show in a certain direction. To challenge the characters, the direction of the show, go in surprising directions so far not explored (hard to do with a series so old, with so much history). Not simply to bring in a different audience, but instead to narrow or broaden the scope perhaps. Let me give you an example for another sci-fi series. What I'm talking about here is if on Star Trek, on the last season of TNG, say, the federation is revealed to be corrupt, run by bad people. They start to abuse their power in small ways, and over the course of the season, it gets much much worse. At the end of the season, Picard and crew receive orders they feel they cannot obey and when they find out they are being hunted for prosecution, they break free from the federation and run, hoping to find other ships and planets willing to form a rebellion to fight the new federation. That kind of a big change. I'm not saying my example is a good one (although it would have been interesting), but you get the idea. BIG change, no quick wibbly wobbly, timey wimey solutions, long-felt consequences. What would you propose OR like to see happen?

  • July 17, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    My answer?

    by gotilk

    So, you're thinking, he decided to ask this question because he had a great, amazing answer already prepared. Right? wrong. I got nothin'.<br><br>BUT. One thing I'd like to see is for the Doctor to go it alone again for a little while, companion-free. I'd like to see something surprising, regeneration-wise. (although NOT any time soon, thank you) I'd like to see something along those lines that is more shocking, unexpected. Maybe a bait and switch, giving us two episodes with a new Doctor before losing him or her prematurely. Just something a little bit less predictable, in spite of having liked the direction of the show in its latest incarnations. Someone else mentioned limitations. Maybe the introduction of a non-Gallifreyan governing body with the respect and weight needed to actually make the Doctor feel as though he must answer to them? Rather than just taking away abilities / knowledge / power. How about addressing (again) the idea of a race capable of time travel questioning why only Time Lords should be allowed to time travel? (I know this isn't new, but what if this time he's convinced?) Of course there's the one that many would LOVE and HATE, a female Doctor finally. OR an even younger Doctor than the current one, showing a pattern that would be something the Doctor has to figure out/fix? An alien companion? That's all I got. See, not as controversial or "game-changing" as some of the ideas the rest of you would probably come up with. And please remember, any regeneration ideas I would have are ideas I'd only want to see in the FAR future. I'd like to see Smith stick around for a while.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I have breakfast to make soon.

    by gotilk

    Have a great morning. I'll be back later on.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I have breakfast to make soon.

    by gotilk

    Have a great morning. I'll be back later on.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I have breakfast to make soon.

    by gotilk

    Have a great morning. I'll be back later on.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to hear what you people can come up

    by gotilk

    with.

  • That could work in the Doctor Who Universe. What if "The Big Bang" caused Gallifrey and The Time Lords to be released from the time lock. With Lord President Rassilon in charge, I'm sure that would mean the Doctor would be on the run, trying to stay one step ahead of the Time Lords.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Ok, maybe my idea was lame................................

    by axcel1

    Breakfast sounds good, I'll have some, too.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    I like your idea, and would love to see it for a few episodes, but honestly I can't handle the Time Lords for more than that. *LOL* <p>I'm starting to think, based on which characters and stories I like and which I don't, that I actually hate sci-fi! *LOL*

  • July 17, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Not exactly earth-shattering

    by frozen01

    but I would like to see the Shadow Proclamation fill the role that you speak of, in limiting the Doctor. I liked the bit they've been in already, and I REALLY like what has been done with them in the comics. More Shadow Proclamation please! <p>But yeah, I can't really think of any particularly earth shattering changes to make to Doctor Who that I would actually approve of. <p>Here's something I was thinking about yesterday... do you think Jenny will come back at some point? (The Doctor's Daughter) I was listening to a fan audio drama yesterday that featured her, which is why I was thinking of it.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I have terrible timing

    by frozen01

    I leave and almost immediately the TB blows up into a discussion of atheism. Guh. I come on, and people have gone to breakfast. And pretty soon I have to leave again to start the day. I am a sad panda. :(

  • July 17, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Almost there

    by frozen01

  • July 17, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    One more?

    by frozen01

    C'mon!

  • July 17, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    WHO-HOOOOOOOO! :)

    by frozen01

    WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I forgot to mention

    by frozen01

    I don't think that spiritual atheism is an oxymoron, but rather a useful term to go a step beyond the atheist handle. Atheist simply means someone who believes in no god, whereas a spiritual atheist could be viewed as someone who, despite a lack of faith in any sort of spirituality, religion, or superstition, still believes whole-heartedly in a deep beauty in the world we live in and actively tries to seek it. A spiritual atheist, to me, would be someone who describes the physical world in a state of awe and wonder, similar to how a believer would... like Van Gogh describing how he sees the world in Vincent and the Doctor.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Mmmmm

    by frozen01

    Wait, maybe I do have something. We've talked about companions and how it's refreshing to get out of the tired pattern for them every once in a while, especially in the romance department. Well, one thing that a companion has always been is *good*. What if someone along the lines of a River Song, who is very smart and resourceful and can pilot the TARDIS, spent a series or two gaining the Doctor's trust and, as an audience, winning over our hearts, only to then steal the TARDIS, strand the Doctor, and turn into the next overarching Villain? And I'm talking about THE companion, not a secondary character like Rory or River Song. <p>I'm sure that would properly piss off a lot of folks. But it would make for some interesting storytelling, and would offer some intriguing character development for the Doctor after its resolution. We would probably get a solitary Doctor again for a bit.

  • The Doctor did have a companion like that, Vislor Turlough, he traveled with the Peter Davison's Doctor, he secretly worked for the Black Guardian. Ok, he was more like an underling than main bad guy, but, that's as close as we got so far.

  • July 17, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    Interesting. From the Wiki it sounds like his duplicity was known by the audience from the beginning, though... am I reading that correctly? <p>I'm thinking more of a complete shock... as in the audience trusts this character as a companion of the Doctor's and then, boom, it is revealed that he or she has been working him all this time to gain his trust, learn to fly the TARDIS, and steal it out from under him. Perhaps it doesn't have to be for evil reasons... stealing from gotilk's link from before, maybe a loved one died and they just want to go back in time to prevent it.

  • July 17, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Oh, and, breakfast was good..........................

    by axcel1

    2 eggs, 5 stripes of bacon, 4 slices of wheat toast, and cheese grits, my usual weekend breakfast, well, not every weekend.

  • July 17, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    frozen01, I did say to a lesser degree...................

    by axcel1

    And, he wasn't very likeable, even before we found out he was working for the Black Guardian, which we (the audience) didn't know from the very beginning, but, did know very early on. Very different from what you are saying, but, a little close.

  • The Doctor knew very early on, too, he just didn't let on.

  • July 17, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Yum

    by frozen01

    I haven't had cheese grits in years. *drools* Bacon.... mmmmm.

  • July 17, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by frozen01

    I've added it to my Netflix queue... I wonder if there's anything NOT doctor Who on there anymore *LOL*

  • July 17, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    frozen01, you might want to add...........................

    by axcel1

    the Black Guardian Trilogy (Mawdryn Undead, Terminus and Enlightenment)

  • You can get passed the bad, sometimes, very bad FX and the sometimes over-the-top acting. The only ones I don't watch are the incomplete ones, the ones with missing episodes.

  • July 17, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    And, yes, breakfast was good...........................

    by axcel1

    Not good at making grits, it either comes out too watery or too dry, I always mix the grits with my eggs.

  • July 17, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I disagree with your def. of atheist, frozen...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I don't believe in no god. I do not believe there is a god. It's not belief in nothingness, it's lack of belief... which is why the "spiritual" part, at least for me, is unnecessary... but I'm a pragmatist. I don't buy there's a god... and I think that the same human race that could believe so deeply that there IS a god could make up all kinds of OTHER stuff that we categorize as "spiritual." As many Christian believers will tell you, it's a slippery slope, once you start walking down the path of disbelief. <P> Not that I don't find these ideas of spirituality interesting. But an atheist who categorizes themselves as spiritual is a person who wants very much to believe in fairy tales, IMO. And that may sound like a harsh judgement, but it's really not. I think people who really believe in such things may actually lead a fuller, richer inner life than I probably will... but I cannot suspend my logic enough.

  • July 17, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Threadjack: Possible Bilbo Doctor

    by Perigee

    A little something I found in my wanderings today:</P> "EXCLUSIVE: Sylvester McCoy Rumoured For The Hobbit"</p> http://tinyurl.com/26rfbhk

  • July 17, 2010, noon CST

    OOOH number 1 again and so much to talk about

    by gotilk

    Alright. My camera arrived, so I have some installing junk to do and I'll be back. yay!

  • July 17, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    On Atheism

    by gotilk

    I don't want to drag us into a religious discussion (too far at least), but I define my view as a lack of a NEED for belief. Funny thing with all that stuff in the universe that's THERE. It just doesn't need all that belief to exist. It's a fun concept in fiction, but I simply cannot devote even a small chunk of my emotional time/energy on a concept that has no actual proof and a gazillion different descriptions/definitions/images/claims/rules/histories. That's why it can bother me sometimes when I hear it described as a "belief system". Hope and trust fill the gap in my life left behind by faith, if you can even call it a gap. Methinks that hole was DUG if you know what I'm sayin'.<br><br> I personally don't buy or not buy the various thousands of God myths. But in saying "buy", I mean that a mythology that is established means just as much or as little to me as one that was made up on the spot to explain the things we do not yet understand. I find all of them highly unlikely based on lack of proof and lack of evidence that leads to the remarkable, gigantic claims they all make. If one were to present him or herself to me I would be first in line to both greet with open arms AND present a very terse letter to this deity. But if ANY of the descriptions were to turn out to be true, I would most likely be crushed like a bug after doing so. At least I'd go out asking the good questions. And as far as spiritual atheists are concerned, I think agnostic fits the bill to a certain extent for those people. But there are so many of these terms and labels, I'm pretty much all for any description that's accurate. None of this stuff makes me a stick in the mud. I enjoy a rich, varied creative life that includes fascination with the myths we've created to give us comfort, explain the unknown, etc. Not too many years ago I became so frustrated with what was then a very small atheist community that I wrote a very long article (it would be called a blog post now) called "Why I'm NOT an Atheist" which went into the complaints I had about the community's inability to organize and focus on any level in order to move toward a better understanding amongst people who clearly have NO clue what an atheist IS. Their tendency to attack rather than educate. The common desire to re-categorize people they felt were "impure" atheists just because they refused to make certain statements/claims. And a HUGE number of people in the community that leaned toward the genuinely nuttier aspects of Rand-like libertarianism, not realizing their utopias were just as silly as the common liberal and conservative utopian visions(like top-down free markets ALWAYS rather than bottom-up and denial that soft monopolies can exist). I found myself at the time almost claiming to be agnostic out of sheer frustration. But in the end, that would have been a lie. I simply cannot say that I DO believe any one or any 10.. or any 100 of the existing mythologies. No matter how many otherwise wonderfully sharp and intelligent people told me it was a "belief system". Believing something needs to actually BE or present itself in some way to exist is not as much of a belief system as it is the natural state of all things that are. I've had to deal with a lot of pain and frustration being willing to tell the truth to people when asked about my "religious beliefs". Telling them I have none has led to me being called "oh.. one of THOSE guys.. those NEW ATHEISTS.." or "evangelical" (simply for stating it in public, no more no less).. "DUMB" (oh that's a rich one) "ignorant" . And many other types of insults ranging from being told I'm going to hell, being called "intolerant" simply because I don't believe in their particular belief system (not realizing that a belief system that by it's nature rejects all others BY THREAT OF eternal DAMNATION or even death is the epitome of intolerance), hateful, a devil worshiper (how exactly that would work, I'll never be sure) and many others I'm probably forgetting. I've been confronted by the concept that proclaiming atheism as an option is HATE SPEECH against religion. I watched people on the news here claiming that a billboard put up simply saying "Are you good without God? Millions are. SacramentoCOR.org" was offensive.. hateful.. hate speech... evil.. "sending the wrong message" (of course.. because it's not THEIR message) And then on top of it, some vandal added "also Lost?" to the billboard. If anyone thinks that atheism or atheists are somehow intolerant or hateful, show me a vandalized religious billboard some time and groups of people on TV claiming that their beliefs are hateful, evil, satanic, etc. And then we'll maybe have a discussion. But that stuff is rare. But EVERY time an atheist puts up or out any message simply claiming atheism exists or is an option and the hate SPEWS forth from frothing, frightened mouths. People point to these godless Californians and those godless crazy people out in Hollywood. But this is SO far from the truth. If there is some kind of silent atheist majority anywhere in the world, they're being smart and keeping their mouths shut for the most part. They'd like to keep their jobs, raise their children without being accused of abusing them for not presenting a god myth to them and in some cases remain in their homes. (people have been kicked out of apartment complexes, trailer parks, rental homes after it's been discovered they are atheists)<br><br>I know this is a super long, way off topic post. But I felt it was being discussed and I wanted to chime in with my own thoughts and experiences. I can't speak for other atheists, but I believe I'm a good person. A generous person that cares for others and sees a cultural benefit for doing so. I try my best not to hurt others not out of fear, but out of a joyful exuberance for human beings themselves and a desire to see people in a state of happiness. It's selfish. It makes me feel good. But it works. I wouldn't want certain things done to me so I tend to avoid doing those things to others out of fear of retribution AND a genuine sense of caring toward others. I was TOLD to do many of these things in churches and by priests, nuns and the faithful. But I realized long ago that I'd picked most of that stuff up already by the time they finally "reached me" with their messages. I'm going to stop here before I begin to go into specifics regarding various dogmas and rules that don't make sense in a modern context. If you don't like religious discussions, I hope you were not caught up in reading this post and instead just skipped it. I'll be posting about Who now since I have so much I want to address regarding the question I asked earlier. I love you all and this is the BEST talkback group of people ever. Period.

  • July 17, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    On Atheism

    by gotilk

    I don't want to drag us into a religious discussion (too far at least), but I define my view as a lack of a NEED for belief. Funny thing with all that stuff in the universe that's THERE. It just doesn't need all that belief to exist. It's a fun concept in fiction, but I simply cannot devote even a small chunk of my emotional time/energy on a concept that has no actual proof and a gazillion different descriptions/definitions/images/claims/rules/histories. That's why it can bother me sometimes when I hear it described as a "belief system". Hope and trust fill the gap in my life left behind by faith, if you can even call it a gap. Methinks that hole was DUG if you know what I'm sayin'.<br><br> I personally don't buy or not buy the various thousands of God myths. But in saying "buy", I mean that a mythology that is established means just as much or as little to me as one that was made up on the spot to explain the things we do not yet understand. I find all of them highly unlikely based on lack of proof and lack of evidence that leads to the remarkable, gigantic claims they all make. If one were to present him or herself to me I would be first in line to both greet with open arms AND present a very terse letter to this deity. But if ANY of the descriptions were to turn out to be true, I would most likely be crushed like a bug after doing so. At least I'd go out asking the good questions. And as far as spiritual atheists are concerned, I think agnostic fits the bill to a certain extent for those people. But there are so many of these terms and labels, I'm pretty much all for any description that's accurate. None of this stuff makes me a stick in the mud. I enjoy a rich, varied creative life that includes fascination with the myths we've created to give us comfort, explain the unknown, etc. Not too many years ago I became so frustrated with what was then a very small atheist community that I wrote a very long article (it would be called a blog post now) called "Why I'm NOT an Atheist" which went into the complaints I had about the community's inability to organize and focus on any level in order to move toward a better understanding amongst people who clearly have NO clue what an atheist IS. Their tendency to attack rather than educate. The common desire to re-categorize people they felt were "impure" atheists just because they refused to make certain statements/claims. And a HUGE number of people in the community that leaned toward the genuinely nuttier aspects of Rand-like libertarianism, not realizing their utopias were just as silly as the common liberal and conservative utopian visions(like top-down free markets ALWAYS rather than bottom-up and denial that soft monopolies can exist). I found myself at the time almost claiming to be agnostic out of sheer frustration. But in the end, that would have been a lie. I simply cannot say that I DO believe any one or any 10.. or any 100 of the existing mythologies. No matter how many otherwise wonderfully sharp and intelligent people told me it was a "belief system". Believing something needs to actually BE or present itself in some way to exist is not as much of a belief system as it is the natural state of all things that are. I've had to deal with a lot of pain and frustration being willing to tell the truth to people when asked about my "religious beliefs". Telling them I have none has led to me being called "oh.. one of THOSE guys.. those NEW ATHEISTS.." or "evangelical" (simply for stating it in public, no more no less).. "DUMB" (oh that's a rich one) "ignorant" . And many other types of insults ranging from being told I'm going to hell, being called "intolerant" simply because I don't believe in their particular belief system (not realizing that a belief system that by it's nature rejects all others BY THREAT OF eternal DAMNATION or even death is the epitome of intolerance), hateful, a devil worshiper (how exactly that would work, I'll never be sure) and many others I'm probably forgetting. I've been confronted by the concept that proclaiming atheism as an option is HATE SPEECH against religion. I watched people on the news here claiming that a billboard put up simply saying "Are you good without God? Millions are. SacramentoCOR.org" was offensive.. hateful.. hate speech... evil.. "sending the wrong message" (of course.. because it's not THEIR message) And then on top of it, some vandal added "also Lost?" to the billboard. If anyone thinks that atheism or atheists are somehow intolerant or hateful, show me a vandalized religious billboard some time and groups of people on TV claiming that their beliefs are hateful, evil, satanic, etc. And then we'll maybe have a discussion. But that stuff is rare. But EVERY time an atheist puts up or out any message simply claiming atheism exists or is an option and the hate SPEWS forth from frothing, frightened mouths. People point to these godless Californians and those godless crazy people out in Hollywood. But this is SO far from the truth. If there is some kind of silent atheist majority anywhere in the world, they're being smart and keeping their mouths shut for the most part. They'd like to keep their jobs, raise their children without being accused of abusing them for not presenting a god myth to them and in some cases remain in their homes. (people have been kicked out of apartment complexes, trailer parks, rental homes after it's been discovered they are atheists)<br><br>I know this is a super long, way off topic post. But I felt it was being discussed and I wanted to chime in with my own thoughts and experiences. I can't speak for other atheists, but I believe I'm a good person. A generous person that cares for others and sees a cultural benefit for doing so. I try my best not to hurt others not out of fear, but out of a joyful exuberance for human beings themselves and a desire to see people in a state of happiness. It's selfish. It makes me feel good. But it works. I wouldn't want certain things done to me so I tend to avoid doing those things to others out of fear of retribution AND a genuine sense of caring toward others. I was TOLD to do many of these things in churches and by priests, nuns and the faithful. But I realized long ago that I'd picked most of that stuff up already by the time they finally "reached me" with their messages. I'm going to stop here before I begin to go into specifics regarding various dogmas and rules that don't make sense in a modern context. If you don't like religious discussions, I hope you were not caught up in reading this post and instead just skipped it. I'll be posting about Who now since I have so much I want to address regarding the question I asked earlier. I love you all and this is the BEST talkback group of people ever. Period.

  • July 17, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Ouch.

    by gotilk

    Wrong size post to accidentally double post. SORRY... *slowly backs away*

  • July 17, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by gotilk

    I would actually love to see them freed from the time lock. The ONLY thing I fear about bringing back all of the other Time Lords is that they will be far too over the top. Even the great Timothy Dalton took it a little too "DRAMA! ACTING! GRAVITAS! IMPACT!" for my liking. I hope they tone them down just a tiny bit so they don't stand out as some kind of relic of an old series that just.. forgot to learn it's lessons. IN the context of the classic series', it works because it's expected. In new Who, it kind of stood out. As did the *ahem* costumes. But I REALLY want to see them back anyway. And again.. why was that one Female Time Lord covering her face in "The End of Time"??

  • July 17, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    frozen01 - Jenny

    by gotilk

    I hope they bring back Jenny, too. I remember a rumor that they were going to give her a spin-off. But I think it was BS. I loved her character and I think it would be a very entertaining discomfort for Smith's Doctor.

  • Have you taken any pretty pictures yet?

  • July 17, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    and something that dawned on me while doing dishes

    by gotilk

    I'd love to see more inclusion of A.I. into stories. And not just the run of the mill stories either. Maybe addressing the technological singularity <br>(info : http://tinyurl.com/485ey ) <br> and how A.I. becomes self-aware. The struggles they would go through. Sort of taking it a few steps beyond the old Star Trek/Data stuff. Real struggles, robots turning on people, being destroyed, developing desires (no.. not that kind), quirks, habits. How about a rescued robot as a companion for a while? She could even be a robot kiss-o-gram!! (LOL!!!!) They could get someone younger with a fresh perspective to write it like Cory Doctorow.

  • July 17, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by gotilk

    No, not yet. But I did make a short fan-fic film. LOL... no.. no. I just installed the software and I'm about to get things prepared for my sister's birthday. But I hope later to have a Flickr account up and going. I'll post it the second it's up.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    frozen01 - The Bad Companion

    by gotilk

    I like that idea, too. Actually it's my favorite idea so far. It could even be a gradual thing. The Doctor is a POWERFUL being and has a lot of powerful STUFF laying around. That kind of thing would corrupt a GOOD person if they felt desperate and loved what they were experiencing. Let's say the Doctor hinted that things were not "working out" and that he might be taking him or her back home to keep him or her "safe". And this makes the companion even more desperate, afraid that all this adventure and wonder will be coming to an end and that's just NOT ACCEPTABLE! lol. I can really see it. And Smith would play off it beautifully. It has to be someone the doctor was attracted to for their intellect. So much so that it clouds his judgment a little and he realizes the person's weaknesses too late to prevent ______ from happening. Very good idea.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    and...

    by gotilk

    the conflict.. it would be awesome. They don't hate each other. The companion just wants to STAY and keep seeing the universe/time traveling about. The Doctor is just trying to protect him/her but the companion remains one step ahead of the Doctor because he blew it and chose "the smart one".

  • July 17, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    This is GREAT!

    by gotilk

    Real conversations, no filler. Still number one.

  • I never understood why they killed them off, so to speak. Galifrey and the Time Lords were a large part of the Doctor. The Meddling Mork, The War Chief, The Master, The Rani, all great villians on equal ground with the Doctor, unlike other baddies, who, no matter how big their armies were, you knew the Doctor was smarter and better than them.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Perigee on the Hobbit - MCoy!!

    by gotilk

    The story seems to have some weight. Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/27x9583 I think he would be beyond perfect. IF they can de-age him a bit. He's not that old, but I think if I remember correctly, Bilbo isn't exactly an oldie in the Hobbit.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Posted the link before reading the story.

    by gotilk

    It seems to be saying now that he's cast as the "second lead" (which would be???) rather than Bilbo. But who knows?

  • "the smart one"

  • July 17, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by gotilk

    LOL.. true. All he'd have to do is be distracted by one person's brilliance and make one mistake. Can you even begin to imagine the fun someone could have if they, say, figured out a way to bypass TARDIS security (I know it's more than just that.. but still) and just went nuts, doing whatever they wanted? He'd have to seek outside help. The outside help could be over-zealous and a little out of control themselves? (Jack.. anyone?.. coming off a huge loss and an bit of an identity crisis brought on by guilt? He's not sure if he's one of "the good guys" anymore?) Could be interesting.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    axcel1 on killing the time lords...

    by gotilk

    That's originally what made me start thinking of the "big, risky idea" question. It seems as if killing off The Time Lords was done as a BIG risky change in order to motivate and challenge the Doctor in a new way. Maybe it wasn't the best move. It cost a lot, that decision. And the payoff was a slightly brooding Doctor from time to time, setting the whole thing aside when it was convenient and then BOOM.. brooding and lonely again when they wanted that.

  • July 17, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I have to go make sure lunch is being made

    by gotilk

    and then I'll be back later. Cheers everyone. This is great stuff.

  • And, if I remember correctly, there have been only four companions who could work the TARDIS console. (River Song doesn't count since the Doctor and River have not met yet.)

  • I'm watching "Iron Cheh America" right now.

  • July 17, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Evening All

    by shibleybc

    Number One again lol well done all!

  • July 17, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Evening All

    by shibleybc

    Number One again lol well done all!

  • July 17, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Evening All

    by shibleybc

    Number One again lol well done all!

  • July 17, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Jelly Baby?

    by shibleybc

  • July 17, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    SJA

    by shibleybc

    Watching SJA pilot at the minute and i am struck by two things! 1) Liz Sladen is Lovely and 2) Samantha Bond is too Must be my age :)

  • July 17, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Bad Companion? They Did That Already

    by HornOrSilk

    Adric.

  • But, watching the pilot now? That was on 3 years ago. Series (season) 4 starts in November, I think. Give it a chance, it's not a bad show. I hope the rumor that the show will end after next year is wrong.

  • July 17, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - "Second Lead"

    by Perigee

    Not my idea of the best writing; it takes a read or two to understand that the "Second Lead" puts Ian's "Gandalf" as the other lead actor.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    HornOrSilk

    by gotilk

    I haven't seen those episodes yet. But I will. Was Adric a companion that felt threatened? Did he lose it when he thought he was going to be essentially "dumped" by The Doctor? I guess it can be difficult to come up with things that have not been done already to a certain extent.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Perigee

    by gotilk

    That's true.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    New twist on bad companion

    by offscauta

    Introduce a new villain. Somebody powerful who really hates the Doctor for reasons unknown and can time travel. Masked up, Omega style. Then introduce a new companion. Have them go along for a bit as normal. Then have them seemingly killed as a result of an adventure with the Doctor. Then reveal that the companion survived, twisted, damaged and vengeful, and is in fact the time travelling villain that's been screwing with the Doctor all along.

  • July 17, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Hope that made sense

    by offscauta

    It's late and I'm drunk.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    offscauta

    by gotilk

    THAT would be fun to see.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    The idea..

    by gotilk

    not the you getting drunk bit. Although.. maybe that would be entertaining as well. I know it has to be hilarious when I do.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Boy when those numbers fall

    by gotilk

    they fall hard and fast. It must have been slow 25 hours ago.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    SJA

    by frozen01

    I've only just watched the pilot myself.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just had dinner.

    by gotilk

    WHAT a feast. I'm so full I could burst. But will not because I wouldn't have the time or energy to clean it up.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Watching Remembrance of the Daleks now

    by frozen01

    Sylvester McCoy is definitely growing on me, and I like Ace. It would be pretty neat to see him in The Hobbit.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    frozen01! nice to see ya.

    by gotilk

    It's been pretty active, huh? Still number one.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I'd heard a lot of "meh" and "I hate 'im"

    by gotilk

    about McCoy. But I like him. He does grow on you.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Howdy gotilk

    by frozen01

    Nice to see that :) Can't stay on long, though, checking out a new club event tonight.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Have fun, frozen01

    by gotilk

    We'll hold up the fort.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Gotta get a few hours sleep before work though

    by gotilk

    so this is about it for me. I'll be back "in the night" though.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Gotta get a few hours sleep before work though

    by gotilk

    so this is about it for me. I'll be back "in the night" though.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Gotta get a few hours sleep before work though

    by gotilk

    so this is about it for me. I'll be back "in the night" though.

  • July 17, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    He definitely takes some getting used to

    by frozen01

    But after a while that smart-ass sarcastic nature of his really grows on ya :) <p>But the Daleks are pretty laughable. How on earth did they get to basically be the most feared baddie on Doctor Who? *LOL* I mean, they're slow-moving, don't have hands, and can be easily blinded. Then again, they have this clever way of distracting you buy making you roll on the ground in laughter ;)

  • July 18, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    OK, gotilk... you have got to reign in that multiple post prob.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Seriously, dude.

  • July 18, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Froze, I'm with you on the Daleks

    by ScaryWaitress

    Every time they show up AGAIN, I roll my eyes. Seriously, they can't come up with anyone more evil than a rolling percolator? SERIOUSLY? <P> Even seeing the inner Daleks in all their tentacled glory... oh please. And that human/Dalek hybrid in that HORRIBLE New York episode was hands down, one of the low points of the series. The WHOLE series. IMO, anyway.

  • Did you like it? McCoy's Doctor did change a little after Ace joined him. As for the Daleks, all I can say is, they are what they are. If you take the Daleks out of the picture, it was still a very good scifi mystery.

  • July 18, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that multiple post thing is out of hand.

    by gotilk

    Hey everyone! I woke up last night 15 minutes before I was supposed to be at work. Work is, unfortunately, 10 minutes away. Didn't have the chance to come in and post anything. Looks like everything is fine. Hope you all had a good night/morning.

  • July 18, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that multiple post thing is out of hand.

    by gotilk

    Hey everyone! I woke up last night 15 minutes before I was supposed to be at work. Work is, unfortunately, 10 minutes away. Didn't have the chance to come in and post anything. Looks like everything is fine. Hope you all had a good night/morning.

  • July 18, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    When Ace started traveling with the Doctor.............

    by axcel1

    Most of the stories dealt with the Doctor's and Ace's past. "Silver Nemesis" was another story that was partly about the Doctor's past.

  • July 18, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..............................

    by axcel1

    Positive reaction from Who fans about McCoy, and, here I thought I was the only one who liked his Doctor.

  • July 18, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by gotilk

    I'm going to grab more of the McCoy episodes soon. When you say "about the Doctor's past" do you mean flashbacks? Discussions? Or do they experience the ramifications of past actions?

  • July 18, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    McCoy grew on me

    by gotilk

    and every time I see an interview with the guy, I like him more. He's genuinely funny and talented.

  • July 18, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    gotilk, no, not flashbacks.................................

    by axcel1

    But, your second and third choices, discussions and experiencing the ramifications of his past actions. One of the things I liked about "Remembrance of the Daleks" was that he returned to I.M. Foreman's Junkyard in 1963 just minutes (that's just a guess on my part.) after originally leaving with, Ian, Barbara, and his grandaughter, Susan. It's also one of the reasons I liked Colin Baker's "Attack of the Cybermen". Without realizing it, at first, he lands the TARDIS in 1986 England, while at the same time, he in the Artic, encountering the Cybermen for the first time. Later on, he's forced by the Cybermen to land the TARDIS on Telos, not too long after he left the Cybermen entombed underground. I like stories like that.

  • July 18, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    coffee time

    by gotilk

    Be back later on. Being first isn't as important as being visible. I'll make sure we keep that today.

  • July 18, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    OH!

    by gotilk

    That's some great storytelling there. Complicated, difficult to keep straight. And I guess flashbacks would be tough without the other actors available to appear in their past versions.

  • July 18, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    THAT would be another great thing for Moffat

    by gotilk

    to pull off. Stories that interact with each other in some way. Say, Tennant doing something and while their paths obviously do not cross, their stories interact with each other. I bet Tennant would return for a one-shot for a great story. Or Davison.

  • Since so many people hate Colin Baker's time as the Doctor, I didn't it would be a problem. And, I noticed some incorrect spelling in my last post, bad habit of mind when I try to type fast, which I can't do.

  • Tennant and Davison wouldn't even have to be in them, but, it would be great if they were. Maybe it was just me, but, for the short time he was on screen in "Time Crash", Peter Davison looked the same to me as he did 26 years ago.

  • Sometimes forget to put in some words in my posts, too. The word, "think" should be in that second post above.

  • July 18, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Davison could easily pull it off.

    by gotilk

    He didn't look that different, really.

  • Katy Manning is confirmed to appear in the Doctor Who spin-off The Sarah Jane Adventures's fourth series with Matt Smith as the eleventh doctor. The two-part story, entitled 'Death of the Doctor', was penned by ex-showrunner Russell T Davies

  • July 18, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Gotlik

    by HornOrSilk

    I made a joke (somewhat). <br><br>Adric is one of the most hated companions from the series. <br><br>He did work with the Master (forced to do so) and helped guide the TARDIS into a trap. <br><br> I thought he worked fine with Tom, but not with Peter. <br><br>As a character, he basically was a stowaway, and he did have a knack of siding with the bad guys throughout his two years on screen. <br><br>His ending was -- well, classic. <br><br> Now another companion was Turlough. He wasn't used to perfection on screen, but the idea of his character was great. He was an alien trapped as an exile on earth, and was given the chance to freedom -- all he had to do was kill the Doctor. Of course, he didn't like it, and fought against it, ultimately being on the Doctor's side -- but there was always a bit of darkness (and coward) in him. Even in the end, the Doctor wasn't entirely sure he could trust Turlough, though did rely upon him and said basically if his trust is misplaced, he would never forgive him.

  • Wouldn't it be great if he returned in the same story as the Doctor's daughter, considering the actress who played her is his real life daughter?

  • July 18, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    As for McCoy -- I'm a McCoy Fan

    by HornOrSilk

    He suffered the most from budget problems than anything else. When I was younger, he was my favorite Doctor. Part of it was I was tired of Tom (I liked Tom, just seen so much of him that I needed a break). I still like McCoy. My favorites includes one which is routinely hated... the list is:<br><br>Paradise Towers, Remembrance of the Daleks, Curse of Fenric, Dragonfire and Ghostlight. <br><br>Survival, Greatest Show in the Galaxy are ok. <br><br>Battlefield has some good ideas and scenes, but just lost it due to budget.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    McGann needs to do a multi-Doctor Story

    by HornOrSilk

    I really like his Doctor (thanks Big Finish and Paul for being a great actor), and would feel cheated if we don't ever see him at least one more time on screen.

  • Just my opinion, but, "most hated" seems a bit harsh. He did seem to work better with Tom Baker's Doctor than with Peter Davison's. Not every companion can work perfectly with the Doctor, they are what they are.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    axcel1

    by HornOrSilk

    And yet, the fact is, Adric is the most hated companion. Not saying everyone hates him (I don't). But if you look through what fans have said and done with him... yeah... he is the most hated of the companions. So much so, that when Big Finish brought him back, they didn't follow their own rules and brought someone else to play him.

  • They need to do a "Time War" miniseries, with McGann either being in it completly and regenerating at the end or, only in the first half and Christopher Eccleston in it the last half of it.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't mind a Time War mini-series

    by HornOrSilk

    But I wouldn't say no to a Paul McGann non-Time War based story. <br><br> Of course, if the rumors are correct about the Christmas Special, perhaps we might be in for a surprise. There are rumors of an "old Doctor" making an appearance -- and Brian Blessed as being Omega. Who knows? Probably just rumors.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Ok, HornOrSilk, then, let me say this.......................

    by axcel1

    In my opinion, I don't understand the reason to "hate" Adric or any companion. I guess some Who fans over do it somtimes.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Yes, they do axcel

    by HornOrSilk

    I actually like Adric. I don't like him in every story, nor is he a favorite companion of mine, but I do like him.

  • On your Christmas Special rumors, a big yes, to the return of Paul McGann as the Doctor and a very mild no to Brian Blessed as Omega. No offense to Blessed, but, he just seems all wrong to play Omega. just my opinion, of course.

  • July 18, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Of course, I don't mind the bouncing..................

    by axcel1

    I liked Adric, too, also not my favorite. My favorite is Romana, both of them.

  • July 18, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Blessed as Omega is fitting in one sense

    by HornOrSilk

    Could bring him and Dalton back together again....

  • July 18, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    regarding BOWIE titles

    by Himbo

    See 8th Doctor radio adventure "The Zygon who fell to Earth"

  • July 19, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    little internet glitch

    by gotilk

    back now.

  • July 19, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    little internet glitch

    by gotilk

    back now.

  • July 19, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    little internet glitch

    by gotilk

    back now.

  • July 19, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    little internet glitch

    by gotilk

    back now.

  • July 19, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I think what happened was the trailer for

    by gotilk

    Sharktopus broke the Internets.

  • July 19, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I got nothin'

    by gotilk

    and I'm pretty tired, too. I'm going to watch some old Doctor Who. McCoy episodes. And then if we've fallen off when I come home from work, I'll go on a spree to bring us back. Have a great night!

  • July 19, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    and.. Blessed is a bit over the top.

    by gotilk

    But he IS great anyway, huh?

  • July 19, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    also

    by gotilk

  • July 19, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    question of the moment.....

    by gotilk

    Do you think Doctor Who will go on and on, into perpetuity, or do you think it will just be around a few more years? It's starting to bleed over into US culture now after so many years and in the UK it's a friggen institution. What do you think?

  • July 19, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    question of the moment.....

    by gotilk

    Do you think Doctor Who will go on and on, into perpetuity, or do you think it will just be around a few more years? It's starting to bleed over into US culture now after so many years and in the UK it's a friggen institution. What do you think?

  • July 19, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    I'll come back with my answer

    by gotilk

    a little later. *hit bed*

  • July 19, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who is like Sherlock

    by HornOrSilk

    It can stop but never end...

  • July 19, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    gotlik

    by offscauta

    I think that Doctor Who in some form or other will now last as long as western civilisation. I suspect the television show will get cancelled from time to time only to be brought back a few years later. When the show's off air, fans will fill in with audio dramas, novels and the like. The advantage Doctor Who has over many television shows is that you can cast literally anybody and set it literally anywhere, so it can be made on any budget and to cater for any taste, really.

  • July 19, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Here Here Offscata

    by shibleybc

    Well Said, and let it be true!

  • July 19, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Here Here Offscata

    by shibleybc

    Well Said, and let it be true!

  • July 19, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Couldn't have said it better myself, offscauta

    by gotilk

    Really, it could go on forever. In some form or another. I fully expect to put on my retinal projection unit and connect wirelessly to my VR terminal in 10 years to enter "Doctor Who World" and spend the day meditating with the OOD or flying with SpaceWhales.

  • July 19, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Good morning.

    by gotilk

    Looks like we're dropping fast. Better post a few times to keep it going until after I finish breakfast.

  • July 19, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Good morning.

    by gotilk

    Looks like we're dropping fast. Better post a few times to keep it going until after I finish breakfast.

  • July 19, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    And that really is my answer.

    by gotilk

    Pretty much in agreement with what's been posted. Let's see if I can come up with a goofy question of the moment.