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Leonard Nimoy screens Star Trek IV, talks about his career, all things Trek and Quint was there!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here writing from the West Coast! I’ve traveled to the City of Angels to attend the first Hero Complex Film Festival, a fairly unique genre themed festival run by Geoff Boucher of the LA Times. The dude dips into the blogging world with his Hero Complex Blog (the fest title is starting to make sense now, right?) and decided to put on a three day festival celebrating legends in the film world. So, the events kicked off tonight with a screening of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home with Leonard Nimoy on-hand to discuss the film, his career and all things Trek. Tomorrow night is a double feature of Insomnia and The Dark Knight with Christopher Nolan doing a Q&A and Sunday night will be Alien and Blade Runner with Ridley Scott talking about those particular flicks. Sweet, right? So, let’s start with the film and move onto the hour long discussion. I had never seen The Voyage Home on the big screen before, but I remember it being a childhood favorite from the Trek series. This one and Wrath of Khan were the Treks I liked. As a kid I found the first and third films pretty boring, but have grown to appreciate them more as I blasted past puberty. But it had been a while and I think I had “the whale one” built up as much more of a stupid comedy conceit in my memory. Rewatching it I was struck with just how genuine the character relationships were, especially with DeForest Kelley’s interactions with the rest of the crew. Sure, the flick lacks the real life that seemed to be creeping up on the crew in Wrath of Khan (the whole subplot about middle age settling in on the crew is kind of out the window outside of a throwaway laugh when Kirk has to pawn his reading glasses for spending money while in 1987 San Francisco), but I found myself really respecting how this film went out of its way to break out of the usual Trek mold. The threat might be a bit on the liberal scare side of things as an unknown probe wrecks havoc on 23rd Century Earth’s atmosphere and sucking the power out of ships and Federation outposts on its approach to our planet. The probe wants to talk to the whales, but we killed ‘em all and the damn thing won’t leave until it talks to one. But what I find really interesting about this movie is that there isn’t a big bad guy to beat. It reminded me of some of the original Trek episodes that were less about a singular threat and more about a sci-fi way around a seemingly insolvable problem. There’s no Romulan or Klingon or Montalban to for Kirk to tackle… hell, there’s no Starship Enterprise until the last few shots of the movie. Instead it’s a men on a mission movie mixed with a fish out of water tale as the crew has to slingshot around the sun to build up enough momentum to time warp in order to snag a few humback whales before they were hunted to extinction. Looking over some glaring improbabilities (you’re really going to have me buy no one decided to play in Golden Gate park for the day they were there… they might not have seen the cloaked Klingon ship, but they probably damn well would have walked smack dab into it) I quite enjoy the team having to split up into teams and complete different tasks. And goddamn Kelley was so great here. The twinkle in his eye as he prodded Spock, the real heart he put into his work here underlines just how important he was to the legend of Star Trek. He’s always been my favorite crew member, even as a kid, and I can’t believe how emotionally involved I was with Bones watching this again. The “modern day” San Francisco stuff worked much better than I remembered, even if Catherine Hicks isn’t exactly the best actress in the world. I think the secret to why this didn’t feel as “jump the shark” as I remembered it from my younger viewings are in the developed relationships of the crew. Kirk and Spock go hunting for captive whales and we get to see them re-learning their friendship after Spock’s resurrection. Scotty and Bones go looking for materials to build a tank on the ship that can stow their gigantic cargo and Chekov and Uhura have the most comedic moments as they blunder about asking people where the “nuclear wessels” are. But despite the comedic out-of-their-element moments (my favorite has to be Scotty picking up an old Apple mouse and trying to speak into it in order to communicate with the computer) the long years of friendship really shows through. They all seem comfortable with each other, their mixture of familial annoyance and love showing through in every line of dialogue or twitch of a smile. So, that was really fun to revisit and then Leonard Nimoy was introduced to a standing ovation. Geoff Boucher conducted the majority of the interview, but the last 15-20 minutes were opened up to the audience. I’ll run down the bullet-points of the chat for ya’.

- Both Nimoy and William Shatner wanted to direct episodes of the Star Trek TV series, but they weren’t allowed to. Nimoy thinks the network would have considered that giving the actors too much power. - The very end of Wrath of Khan came as a surprise to Nimoy when he saw the finished film… He went on to do his Shatner impersonation of the moving eulogy from Spock’s funeral: “Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most… human.” Very exaggerated. This was his face when doing the dramatic pause before “human”:

- Anyway, the Wrath of Khan script ended with Spock being shot out of the ship and into space… When he saw the coffin on the Genesis planet he was quite surprised and thought, “I think I’m gonna get a call from Paramount soon.” And so he did… - Which lead to him having “leverage” to demand directing Part 3. Apparently when Shatner found out Nimoy was directing the next Trek movie he went into “deep shock.” Nimoy said they get along fine, but are like two very competitive siblings. - The Voyage Home was the most successful Trek movie, box office wise, until JJ Abrams’ recent reboot. - On Quinto playing Spock – Nimoy said he was shown a tape of Zachary Quinto reading Spock and he loved him. It wasn’t just the look, but that you could see him thinking, you could see the thoughts moving behind the eyes, which Nimoy said is crucial for Spock as a character. - When Nimoy first met Quinto he said, “Do you have any idea what you’re getting in to?” - Loves the moment in JJ’s Trek when Quinto refuses the Academy. “And when he said ‘Live long and prosper…’” and then Nimoy flipped the bird. Curse my slow reflexes! I could have had the picture of the week! - Before Star Trek Nimoy was always hurting for work. After Star Trek he’s never been without a job and he’s “very, very grateful.” - Had trouble separating his identity from Spock and jumped into Mission: Impossible for 2 seasons post-Trek because it was very different work. “I got to play European dictators, South American dictators, Asian dictators… I got to do all sorts of dialects and make-ups and so forth…” But he soon got bored because they were just recycling the same part within the series. - In the early ‘70s Star Trek started going into reruns and surprised Nimoy when it didn’t just fade away with the reruns… instead it grew stronger and stronger. Nimoy believes that is due to syndication being able to place Trek where the audience was, trouble NBC had with original broadcast. - Describes how the “I’m Not Spock” title came about. He didn’t intend it as a put down, just liked the title after he included a story about a woman who brought her son up to Nimoy and said, “Look who’s standing right here! It’s your favorite character on television! You watch him every week!” and he didn’t recognize him, even when she told him he was Mr. Spock. He thought that was “fascinating,” and then he said he wasn’t allowed to use that word anymore to big laughs from the crowd. - Said the title was “a big mistake” because then people thought there was no new Star Trek being produced because Nimoy refused to play the character, which was untrue. - Then in 1977 he was performing Equus on Broadway when he heard of a sci-fi flick that was getting some acclaim. He went to see it in Times Square. That movie, of course, was Star Wars. “I thought, wow… this is really workin’. I bet Paramount is gonna be calling me very soon.” - “George Lucas really did us all a big favor. Star Wars is what put Star Trek back into production.” - Star Trek: The Motion Picture – Robert Wise didn’t know much about Star Trek and really wanted to differentiate the movie from the television show, so they went for a 2001 type vibe.

- Had some friction with Gene Roddenberry over some of the scripts. Nimoy felt that Trek, at its best, could help the viewers understand a little something about the human condition and that’s what he was the most proud of. Sometimes the scripts came down “with nothing to think about. Those upset me.” - On Fringe: “I agreed to do three episodes and those episodes, for me, weren’t terribly satisfying because they used me to deliver information. ‘This is what you have to watch out for. You have to trust me. You better believe me. You have every reason not to believe me, but you have to believe me!’ I must have said that five times. That was the three. Then they said they were going to do two more and I said, ‘No, I haven’t enjoyed this very much, frankly.’” - Abrams called him up and talked him into returning, promising more material to work with and Nimoy agreed to return. “And I’m glad I did. I thought it worked out very well.” - The rumor that Nimoy wanted Spock to get killed at the end of Wrath of Khan is complete bullshit, according to the man himself. - On convincing studio head Michael Eisner to let him direct Trek 3: “I said, ‘You have two problems. You want somebody to play Spock. That’s me. And you want someone to direct the movie. I can do that, so I can solve two problems for you.’” - Nimoy felt very restricted on The Search for Spock. He said “the collar” was on because it was his first feature, so he wasn’t as creatively free as he wanted to be. On The Voyage Home they loosened up.” - He says a big regret is that they didn’t really explore the Klingon culture in Star Trek VI. He fought for some exploration of their history, but we only got a glimpse at some kind of political structure. - Nimoy was approached to appear in Generations. He read the script and “Frankly, I didn’t like it.” He said the only way he’d do it is if he could sit with the writers on a major rewrite. They didn’t go for it, so he didn’t appear in the film. - Agreed to appear as Spock in the Abrams film because he felt like he never had any real closure for the character. - Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams sat down with him BEFORE they wrote the script (because of how crucial Spock was to their idea) and described what they wanted to do. “I’ve never said this in public before, but it’s absolutely true. I teared up sitting there listening to what they were telling me. I was so moved that somebody got it, that somebody really had a sense of what Spock could be in a good Star Trek movie.” - On Quinto’s Spock having a romantic relationship with Uhura: “I gotta be honest with you… I don’t remember… I may have blocked it out, I don’t remember seeing it on the page, but when I saw it in the movie I was VERY jealous!”

- Nimoy’s an avid photographer. He only took one photograph he took on a set, though. He was in a movie called CATLOW with Yul Brynner and he snapped a picture of the actors talking in-between set-ups. “And the moment I did it, I thought I’m not going to do that ever again.” It’s like an invasion of private time, not for public display, and it tenses actors up, so he didn’t feel it was right. “I thought ‘I’ve taken their energy, I’ve stepped into their private territory,’ and I never did it again.” - Before getting Trek he did a few movies (he mentioned both Kid Monk Baroni and Zombies of the Stratosphere), but he also worked a ton of different jobs… taxi driver, vacuum salesman, insurance salesman, pet shop employee. Nimoy married young, had kids young and had to support his family. It was the positive reviews of his work from Kid Monk Baroni that held him up while working those shitty jobs. - Nimoy met Obama back when he was a Senator at a luncheon with maybe 50 people. “He saw me and he did this:”

- Described making some music in the late ‘60s to murmurs and whispers from the crowd. He stopped mid-sentence and gave us a deadpan look that cracked everybody up. “This is like I Am Not Spock. A lot of people have read the title, but not the book. A lot of people have seen or heard The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins…” Huge cheers… “I DID SIX ALBUMS! There was some other stuff besides Bilbo Baggins! Bilbo Baggins is just a charming song for kids!”

-Two days after “Amok Time” went on the air he was at a traffic light when a pretty lady pulls up besides him. Amok Time was the first time the Vulcan salute was featured and the lady shot him one at the stoplight. He rolled down the window… “The fact that she was pretty had something to do with it. I said, ‘Great, but can you do it with your left hand?’ She did it like this (Nimoy hold sup a hand with the fingers all twisted) and said, ‘I’m sorry, I speak it with an accent!’ Wonderful!” - Later that night, sometime in the late‘60s, Nimoy was in Cleveland at a restaurant in a private room. Someone came up to him and said, “Jimi Hendrix is in the restaurant. He heard you were here and wanted to know if it was okay if he came in and said hello.” He said of course and there’s a photograph that exists of him with Hendrix from that night. - On how he wants to be remembered: “I’m very, very proud of the Spock character. It’s very clear to me that will be the first line in my obituary. I hope it doesn’t say ‘The Guy Who Wore the Funny Ears.’ It’s very clear to me that’s my identity. That’s who I am. I’m the guy who played Spock. I have no regrets.” - No plans for a new Star Trek TV series as far as Nimoy knows. They’re focused on the next movie. - Nimoy’s opinion on Avatar: “I thought it was an amazing achievement technically, but there’s a reason it did not win the Academy Award.” He then asked the audience what won. The Hurt Locker, we shouted. “Why?” Lots of people shouted out answers. He grabbed on something Boucher said. “Powerful story. We’ve seen the Avatar story before. What drives a great movie? A great story.” - Nimoy ragged on Michael Bay following up a comment about great effects still need a great story. “I can say that because Michael Bay is my wife’s cousin! But he’s never invited me to be in any of his projects! I sat by the phone night and day, but Michael Bay never called me!” - CHUD’s Devin Faraci asked about the history of The Voyage Home, specifically the scuttlebutt that Eddie Murphy was originally going to be in the movie. Nimoy confirmed, said that Jeff Katzenberg called him in while they were developing the story and said that Murphy wanted to be in the movie. “The legend was that when Paramount signed Eddie Murphy and they had a million dollar check to deliver… they went to his Saturday Night Live dressing room and they made them wait while he finished watching a Star Trek episode.” Nimoy visited with him and Murphy was every bit the Trek fan he’d heard and really wanted to be in the movie. At that meeting Nimoy said he wanted to try to make it work, but that they needed to agree right there that if it felt wrong they’d just shake hands and walk away. They tried and tried to make it work, but “it felt like an implant that wouldn’t take hold.” He did The Golden Child instead. - On Murphy’s proposed character in Star Trek IV: “The story was we landed in San Francisco, as we did in the movie, and he was going to play a guy who did a radio talk show and he believed in extra-terrestrial people here on Earth. He saw us, thought there was something about us and he kept trailing us to see if he could prove we were fish out of water. But it kept being the same scene over and over again. We couldn’t find a way to develop that story, so we let it go.” When the questions wrapped up, Nimoy shouted out “Live Long and Prosper!” to the crowd, giving us the Vulcan salute… naturally, given this crowd, he received a thunderous standing ovation in return. I’ve decided to close out the article with a hastily grabbed image from this moment.

A surprising number of comic book artists and writers were in attendance tonight. A lot were drawing around me during the wait for the screening to start and I ended up meeting and chatting with Ed Brubaker after the Q&A. Super cool guy, especially after he made sure I wasn't one of those "@ssholes." Tomorrow brings Christopher Nolan showing INSOMNIA and THE DARK KNIGHT. The former I didn’t see on the big screen, the latter I saw about 6 times on the big (35mm) and bigger (IMAX) screen(s). Can’t wait to hear him discuss his work! Now if only we can trick him into bringing Inception, too… I don’t know about anybody else, but I’d be good for a triple feature. That’ll happen, right? -Quint Follow Me On Twitter

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  • June 12, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST


    by naughty pirate


  • June 12, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Bones was my favourite too.

    by alan_poon

    Which is why JGL would've been perfect for the role in the reboot and not Karl Urban who just does not have that look or feel about him that made DeForest Kelley so believable as a character.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST

    No Transformers animated movie questions?

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    For shame. ;) <p> I'm a little surprised that there's been very little news as far as the Star Trek sequel but it's always nifty cool to hear from Leonard Nimoy. I really have to watch Star Trek 4 sometime (I've only seen it once on cable years ago) but I might have to netflix it just to see how well it holds up.

  • June 12, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Nice that he had a dig at Avatar

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    "we've seen the avatar story before". Exactly. Can't wait for the Nolan and Scott interviews.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    i love him

    by ORIONgods

  • June 12, 2010, 7:03 a.m. CST

    and that video gave me nightmares

    by ORIONgods

  • June 12, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Urban was the best character in Star Trek

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    That guy needs to be in more movies

  • June 12, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Leonard Nimoy, A Raconteur and All Class

    by Sgt.Steiner

    It's nice when your heroes are as cool and as wise as they appear on screen. Hung with Hendrix, got the signature greeting from a future resident, hated Generations, wept at Spock being treated with respect, and dissed the story of Avatar. Baddass. I will, and always shall be an admirer of Leonard Nimoy. Way to go, Spock. Way to go.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry, "future president".

    by Sgt.Steiner

    He found Obama's inner geek.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Naughty Pirate

    by Sgt.Steiner

    My grandfather, who is Irish, said he hopes the UK will win, because only about 20% of the US actually cares.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    It's not the U.K, sgt. Steiner..

    by The Dark Shite

    It's England. Might aswell say that before everybody's least favourite Scotsman with a chip on his shoulder turns up & rants about the U.K & England not being the same. <p> Although in this case, I'd welcome him pointing it out, 'cause we're at least in the world cup, unlike Scotland.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Voyage Home is one of my favorites

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Always has been. The way they all play off each other is simply wonderful. You can tell this crew have been together for years - the warmth, friendship and love - even if off screen the actors despised Shatner. And the eco message of the film was a ZILLION times for effective than Avatar, which felt the need to bludgeon you around the head with a sledgehammer with its eco message every ten minutes. I would put the original Trek films in the following order: 2>4>6>1>3>5.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST


    by board shitlez

    Amen naughty pirate. It's a Whitehouse BP grudge match. Can't believe that of all the US presidents Obama is the one to combine the words "Ass" and "kick".

  • June 12, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    "Liberal threat"

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Why is it that any ecological concern is a "liberal" concern? I'm pretty sure that if whales weren't around to stop an Earth-destroying probe that would be EVERYONE'S problem - even Tea Party, Sarah Palin-loving, religious whack jobs. Its probably kind of dangerous to politicize ecology. It should probably be everyone's FIRST issue since it is kind of how we survive on the planet.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I doubt 5% of the US cares about the World Cup

    by Chewtoy

    Although we will hope that our players got some orange slices at halftime, and bit into them like they were mouth guards.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I'm from England but...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I'm hoping that the USA slays us. All these England flags draped on people's windows, spilling out of people's cars, wrapped around people's torsos serve as a pretty good litmus test for whether or not someone is a douchenozzle I don't want to go anywhere near me. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Voyage Home

    by board shitlez

    Spock swearing. Always funny.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    The time has come where CGI actors may be a reality

    by BumLove

    And I don't mean like Simone or Jar quality realism. Check this shit out: <p>

  • June 12, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    The Search for Spock was awesome!

    by Wormie1

    Star Trek III is one of the best ones alongside II,IV and XI. It's a shame that the Generations producers didn't try and accommodate Nimoy and Kelley so they could be in the movie. A team-up of the full casts of both TOS and TNG would have been amazing. As for Avatar, I agree that the story was its weakest element, but the reason it didn't win the Best Picture Oscar is because the Academy hates sci-fi/fantasy flicks despite them being the most popular genres.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Nothing bad to say

    by The McPoyle Clan

    about Nimoy. Classy guy with varied interests, and supports the arts.<br><br>And yeah, to Americans, football is one of those things kids play in school and as activities, but most everyone outgrows.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Cloaked Klingon Warbird

    by bluebottle

    not Romulan ship... In Golden Gate park...<p></p> I always say I'm not a Star Trek fan, and then... <p></p> Nimoy seems like a genuinely great guy.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Quinto may get it, but JJ didn't

    by GeorgieBoy

    The new Star Trek was total "summer blockbuster" garbage. It had NO heart, NO message, and NO logic.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Hegh Daq Qul Michael Bay!

    by gotilk

    (that's die in a fire in Klingon)

  • June 12, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Nice article... thanks..

    by notspock2

  • June 12, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Agreed about Bones.

    by rbatty024

    I've always felt like he was the best of the big three. He was the character that was easiest to relate to.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Keeper of Chimps

    by GreenRiver

    Don'tcha know? Conservatives love war, love pollution, and REALLY love dead whales.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    On Emily

    by gotilk

    Typical Ebaums bullshit. Grab a video from youtube, add some text and slap their logo on it, watch the ad revenue pour in. THAT is a thief, not some kid downloading the Hurt Locker. But anyway.. that Emily thing IS amazing, but already years old.(presented in 2008, but developed most likely in 2007)Here's a higher quality version..<br><br> <br><br>The company is Image Metrics and you can probably find more recent examples in the related videos on youtube. They do amazing work, but do still require an actor's performance to start with. I have to say they are damned close to perfecting it and there will come a day when an actor in his 60s or 70s will still be able to pull off an action performance for a character that never ages (see: Indiana Jones, Hmm.. Bilbo? Bond. Batman?). But even Emily and occasionally the Navi in Avatar suffer from the dead-eye corpse, uncanny valley effect. That will be fixed though.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Double Dumb Ass on You

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Best line of the whole movie after the "He's a Ruskie. Yeah, but he's a retard or something." line.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    To Me He'll Always Be The Guy Who Voiced Galvatron

    by Autodidact

    Seriously how cool is that. Only thing cooler is Orson Welles being Unicron.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Great article!

    by bubcus

    I love the "making of" featurettes on the double DVD disc of Star Trek 4. Especially the one involving sound how Nimoy does the voice of the probe. And the sound tech playing the punk and the music. Great stuff. Thank you.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    closure for spock

    by mynamesdan

    didn't see it in the latest movie. not very good use of him i reckon

  • June 12, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I love Star Trek IV

    by jimmy_009

    By all accounts it shouldn't work (Enterprise goes back in time to "present day", has to save the whales) and yet it does thanks to the writers having a lot of fun with these characters.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Sorry, meant the CREW of the Enterprise goes back in time

    by jimmy_009

    Big difference.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    closure for spock

    by GreenRiver

    The only true "closure" is death, and as we learned in Star Trek III, sometimes not even then. This was Prime's "riding off into the sunset" moment. Did you want another horrible death scene, like what we got in Generations?

  • June 12, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    You never saw Star Trek IV on the big screen before?

    by Carl's hat

    The truth comes out. All those people out there who loved the JJ version never even saw the original flicks on the big screen. And they dare lecture to the old time fans and tell us the new one was true to the original. Fuck you guys!

  • June 12, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    World Cup involves the WORLD

    by cool_britannia79

    unlike the World Series....this is a total BP grudge match. Obama can point the finger at BP all he wants, but the safety mechanism was designed and built by Halliburton, the rig was American built, crewed by Americans, drilling in an area licenced by the US govt to drill in. So please Obama, point out how this is a British problem?

  • June 12, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Carl's hat

    by submarinevoyage

    I've seen every single Star Trek film in the theater, beginning with TMP when I was four. I loved Abrams' Star Trek movie. Am I qualified?

  • June 12, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    "So please Obama, point out how this is a British problem?"

    by GreenRiver

    Because it's a British fucking COMPANY you idiot. You OWN that shit. Now take some fucking responsibility.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Cool B...

    by board shitlez

    And in the world cup of global environmental villainy the US is Brazil. BUT they do give us such marvellous film and telly so I'll let them off.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    BP is 39% American owned, 40% British

    by cool_britannia79

    Now who's the fucking idiot? While we're playing the corporate responsibility game though, the rest of the world would like some damages caused by US companies triggering the GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Obama keeps calling them British Petroleum

    by cool_britannia79

    even though the company is called BP ever since it merged with Amoco in 2000. As Greenriver shows, it's working.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    You're the fucking idiot

    by GreenRiver

    You just fucking admitted that brits have the controlling interesting. And if it's not controlled by the brits, "cool britannia", then why would you even GIVE A SHIT in the FIRST PLACE?

  • June 12, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    interesting=interest duh.

    by GreenRiver


  • June 12, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    fabio capello is

    by emeraldboy

    an oddbod. really v strange man. his team selection is strange(and that was the leaked team sheet) why did capello leave Theo wallcot at home. no explanation for that one.

  • June 12, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    39% your problem.

    by cool_britannia79

    Hey Greenriver, care to comment on anything else? Like Halliburtons role? The fact the govt licenced BP to drill there in the first place? And I agree, Walcott staying home is a mistake.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    RE: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins

    by Captain Happy

    That is the worst choreography I have ever seen.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    This is ace!

    by board shitlez

    Dissection of BP stakeholding AND Cappello's team selection AND Spock. It's my three favourite things.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    "it's a British fucking COMPANY you idiot. You OWN that shit."

    by buggerbugger

    You should be thanking BP for cutting out the middle man and pumping the oil directly onto your shores, saving your military the effort of having to travel thousands of miles to maim and kill for it.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I'm not a fucking American, Scratch

    by GreenRiver

    I'm not going to thank BP for shit.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    hmmmmmmm, firsat world cup, now its all about BP it was probally some fat americans finger that caused the fuck up in the first place

  • June 12, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Star Trek IV

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is about 1000 times better than the JJ Star Trekwars. As is Avatar. And as much as I love The Hurt Locker it has virtually zero story in it. Zip.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Woah. This talkback is getting nasty.


    Who would have thought THAT would happen in a talkback for Leonard Nimoy?

  • June 12, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Spock = soccer, Kirk = gridiron

    by palimpsest

    You know this to be true. Bones? He's at home with Uhura...

  • June 12, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST



  • June 12, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Obama is blaming BP for a single reason.

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Elections in November. He's not going to get any votes blaming Dick Cheney is he?

  • June 12, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    As it's England vs USA

    by palimpsest

    I confidently predict that the Americans will a) turn up late for both halves and b) claim they won it singlehandedly despite the evidence...

  • June 12, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    fabio capello is however not as strange..

    by emeraldboy

    as raymond domenech of france. he once sidelined a player for being a scorpio. in ireland there is a huge tussel going on in co.mayo in involving shell. shell are currently building an oil and gas pipeline underwater. its a very nasty and bitter dispute, which has put locals agains one another, involves sinister dissident groups. and the pro business lobby. a bunch of farmers called the rosport 5 went to jail over it and ended up in contempt of court. the disgraced former minister Ray Burke did some deal and sold ireland's rights away.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Geopolitics, geekery and footie

    by palimpsest

    Some days I love this place.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Bilbo Baggins song was awesome!!!

    by kbarber29

  • June 12, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    "Obama is blaming BP for a single reason."

    by GreenRiver

    Actually, there's another reason. THEY'RE THE ONES AT FAULT. And now that the private sector has fucked up, they want government (ie taxpayers) to bail them out. Yes, REPUBLICANS want the GOVERNMENT to take over now. That's what happens when industry fucks up. THAT'S THE WAY IT ALWAYS IS.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    one more thing...

    by emeraldboy

    i am absolutely fecking delighted that mario rosenstock is bringing special 1tv to the bbc. genius. the man is a genius.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    i just wish ireland was in world..

    by emeraldboy

    thanks to thieffy henry were not. as well as the dodgy cedeing.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    I was speaking to my friend who lives in Missippi on the phone earlier and he said there is allot of Anti-British feeling at the moment due to the BP fiasco. Perhaps saying, "Nevermind, the England v USA game tonight is surely going to pour oil on troubled waters" wasn't my best move.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins

    by Ingeld

    Almost simultaneously ruined Tolkien and Star Trek for me. That's sure is powerful cheesiness.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    by naughty pirate

    I don't think England should have to much trouble beating the U.S.A. as long as they put in a well oiled and slick performance.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    lol, greenriver doesn't get it

    by cool_britannia79

    you are illogical

  • June 12, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Nimoy is cool guy but completely wrong about the Oscars

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Yep, there was a reason that Avatar didn't win, and it was nothing to do with 'story' (since when did that stop the Academy from awarding mediocre movies in the past?) - it was, quite definitively, politics. <p>Firstly, the fact that several senior academy members revealed that Cameron is not a popular man in the industry thanks to being such an independent hard ass and actually admitting that was the reason why it didn't win, and secondly, their desire to anoint the first female directorial winner for publicity. Bigelow is an excellent and underappreciated director, but she won for the wrong reasons there.<p> The other major reason relates to the content of the films - The Hurt Locker is a pro-military film and the Academy wanted to be seen as honoring the troops, whereas Avatar is anti-military (or at least anti the abuses by military and big corporations) and quite critical of America. During Dubya's tenure this would have been heralded, but now that Obama is in power, it is best to feign support for the war in Afganhistan.<p>I bet Nimoy is just ticked that Jar Jar Abram's mediocre Trek Wars got shafted by Avatar in terms of grosses and acclaim for a sci fi picture.<p> Also, when the audience shouted out the answer to why Avatar didn't win the oscar, was that pedo cunt Devin Faraci shouting the loudest? I'll bet he was. That monkey should be kept locked away; he is an absolute embarrassment - Terminator Salvation and GI Joe were given sterling reviews by him (as he was paid off); The Dark Knight and Avatar (and no doubt, Inception, since he hates Nolan) were trashed by him months in advance of them coming out. Sucks for him that they were massive successes. What a fat, smelly, virginial, friendless, do-anything-for-a-dollar bastard whore he is.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I love Nimoy, but if Avatar's story is something

    by southafricanguy

    we have all seen (and it was a very familiar story), and if story is so important (it is) then why the hell did he agree to be in Star Trek?! Because I sure as hell saw that story before, back when it was called Star Wars! And the fact that it was written by Orci and Kurtzman, the two numnuts that "wrote" the "story" of TF2....and believe me I am useing the words wrote and story loosely there...

  • June 12, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Hey Turd...whats up dude? Hows it going?

    by southafricanguy

    Good to see some Devin Farce:Perez Hilton of fandom .TM bashing. Let it never be said I wont join in on that.....I wonder if that fat, useless cunt explained how he gave such sterling reviews to T4 and Gijoe.....I guess it was because of the super original, suprising, deep, complex stories/plots those films had.....

  • June 12, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST what makes me happy? The fact

    by southafricanguy

    that Fox is making a new POTA film, and that it will most likely be ass-raped by them. I hope that film sucks donkey balls, so Farce:perez Hilton of Fandom TM. can have sleepless nights while he cries himself to sleep over his apetard series....

  • June 12, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    palimpest.....soooo, you are saying you would

    by southafricanguy

    have won WW2 without American involvement? Are you saying you had the sheer man power, hardware, manufacturing capability, and supplies to have pulled off D-Day without America? Because last time I looked your army was 100% bitch slapped at the battle of Dunkirk, and at that point Hitler had basically won. And you guys were managing to hold out partly due to all the supplies America was shipping you. The Axis powers lost because they didnt quit when they were ahead, and then made two massive mistakes 1) invade Russia, and b) attack Pearl Harbour. Got to love historical revisionism from a country that was only on the winning side by default....though at least you guys did indeed hold out, and played a big part in D-Day, unlike France. Why are they on the security council again?

  • June 12, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    palimpest.....soooo, you are saying you would

    by southafricanguy

    have won WW2 without American involvement? Are you saying you had the sheer man power, hardware, manufacturing capability, and supplies to have pulled off D-Day without America? Because last time I looked your army was 100% bitch slapped at the battle of Dunkirk, and at that point Hitler had basically won. And you guys were managing to hold out partly due to all the supplies America was shipping you. The Axis powers lost because they didnt quit when they were ahead, and then made two massive mistakes 1) invade Russia, and b) attack Pearl Harbour. Got to love historical revisionism from a country that was only on the winning side by default....though at least you guys did indeed hold out, and played a big part in D-Day, unlike France. Why are they on the security council again?

  • June 12, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Whoops, sorry for the double post....

    by southafricanguy

  • June 12, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    He was paid off, that's why

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    And he clearly doesn't have a shred of integrity since he was criticizing Terminator Salvation months after giving it a four star review in Empire magazine, and well after the critical and fanboy tide had trashed the film. Also, GI Joe - 8.5/10(more than he gave The Dark Knight)! What a joke.<p> He is a bitter and twisted individual, harboring grudges for certain directors/ properties, and also for certain popular fanboy films. It's almost as if he knows deep inside that he is the emblem of these wretched loser fanboys, and therefore lashes out at them because he identifies with them so strongly but is ashamed of that fact. <p>Also, got to take another pop at The Hurt Locker's supposed 'great story'. It was an absolute travesty that that film won best screenplay. It barely had a script - it was almost plotless. Not to mention ex-bomb squad soldiers have sued the producers for completely misrepresenting them. It is clearly an inaccurate film (and the French producer of it is a real cunt!). Tarantion's Basterds should have won best screenplay, easily. Avatar - best picture. Best director - In truth, Cameron achieved a much greater feat but I would give it to Bigelow, since she deserves recognition, but genuine recognition, not just some PR stunt like when they awarded denzel and halle berry as the first black male and female winners in the same year.<p>Once again - FUCK DEVIN FARCE (he is a farce)!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    BP is 39% American owned, 40% British

    by gotilk

    Controlling is the key word there, guys. People have jumped out of windows over one percent.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    As a Brit...

    by cool_britannia79

    ...I can tell you we don't deny the US was mainly responsible for victory in Europe, it's the fact that you never see anything BUT US forces fighting in Europe in todays media that pisses us off. Yes, Dunkirk was a victory in terms of preserving enough fighting men to send back to Normandy, but there were many nations armies stationed in Britain that retook Europe along with the US. And the Battle of Britain was our finest hour. And the US did turn up late. Could have done with your help in Dunkirk, fucking feet draggers ;)

  • June 12, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy, what really would have give him sleepless night

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    is if Cameron had made HIS version of Planet of the Apes. Since it likely would have been great, and since Farce loathes Cameron, he would have been torn between his love of the Apes(probably sexual lust) and the fact that it was a great movie and being forced to embrace it thus, and his hatred for Cameron. He would have had a love/hate relationship with the film. I pity the fool.<p>Rise of the Apes will be a piece of shit, and I hope Farce walks into a burning building in despair.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    whats with the name thing?

    by Bouncy X

    jar jar abrams and the like? are you people so fucking immature you have to always use "clever" play on their names. i see it all the time with many directors and actors and whatnot and its just hilariously sad. like its not sad enough you honestly get upset over a movie but then you have to make fun of their name....what are you, 5? its a sad world when i'm more mature than someone.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    One sec, SAGuy, you're jumping to conclusions

    by palimpsest

    See cool_britannia79 above for a reasoned assessment. Plus it would be handy to have your joke detector switched to "on"...

  • June 12, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    is america hypocrites like canada with soccer?

    by Bouncy X

    seeing all the soccer talk here, i gotta say how hilarious it is to see canadians being all gung ho and excited about the world cup. but then the 4years between them, people here couldnt give less a shit about the sport. is it the same in america?

  • June 12, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    France are on the Security Council because

    by palimpsest

    they're in charge of the catering. Honestly, their pastries are to die for.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    James Cameron called BP morons

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    When he offered his help and expertise in submersibles and underwater engineering, and they didn't listen. Yes, Cameron has recently been on an advisory board for the oil disaster, to help come up with solutions. There is no end to the man's talents. There's no beginning to Farce's talents.<p>Jim Cam drills BP a new asshole!!

  • June 12, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The French are cunts

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Nicolas Chartier proved it. Cheese eating surrender monkeys!!<p>Apologies to any French who might be posting here.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    And after France's performance in last night's game

    by palimpsest

    it's clear they're as spent a force in international football as they are in international not getting beaten up by whoever's invading them this time. Still, awesome patisserie.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    BP is more Cameron offering BP his help

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    BP should have accepted Cameron in an advisory role, no doubt. But can you IMAGINE the headlines? "BP's ass saved by a Hollywood film director". It would make them look even more like clueless inept retards. But Obama has been drilled a new asshole by this farce. He failed to act sooner, he knows America doesn't have the hardware and experise to take charge, so he's left sucking his dick and taking pot shots at "British Petroleum" never mind it was Transco - an American company- that drilled the well. Obama and his administration are fucking idiots.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah! Love you nimoy! Got my signed copy of

    by UltraTron

    I am Spock right here. But Avatar in my theater is something transportive. Having done visual effects all my life- avatar was the culmination of so many artistic endeavors leading up to it that I weep with tears of joy during several moments. Name another movie that you have wept with tears of joy during. Now I'm gonna say this one last time. The Hurt Locker contains flaws so glaring as to be considered complete dealbreakers. The biggest flaw is that actual bomb squads simply blow up these carbombs with morter fire. Duh. Thus completely negating the movie into the fantasy realm. The movie is one false-tension scene after the next. Fiennes character speaks perfect English yet doesn't bother to simply talk to the American troop holding a gun on him just to milk 3 minutes of fake tension out of the audience. The movie isn't even about the war- just one asshole and his uncontrollable nature. So FUCK the hurt locker. It wouldn't be such a bad movie if it hadn't beat an industry changer that will resonate FOREVER.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST that was a damn funny ans

    by southafricanguy

    wer to my question. You made me blow water through my nose. Well done good sir...

  • June 12, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I guess the French have to be kept around

    by southafricanguy

    for something....

  • June 12, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Hello computer...

    by Chemicals

    Scotty in Trek IV at the factory is hilarious. I love how he just sits down at that old Apple computer, just starts typing on the keyboard and up pops a 3D diagram of a molecule for Transparent Aluminum. Absolutely fucking hilarious. At least in the novelization Scotty explains that the dude at the factory is in fact the inventor of said transparent aluminum according to the history books, so what they did was no big deal. I am a geek...

  • June 12, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    fuck this clown

    by AsimovIsFuckingDead

    "I teared up sitting there listening to what they were telling me."<p>I useds to have some respect for Nimoy until he took part in the catastrophie that is Jar Jar Abrams' CRAP TREK. What a peace of shit that movie is! Nimoy says he teared up listening to what the movie is about. I teared up watching it Nimoy! What a fuckass that movie was! It was like a torpedo of shit aimed at the heart of geekry and it hit us square in the faces! If Gene Rodenberry had been alive he would have killed himself upons seeing what a ass fuckery they made of his work! And Nimoy LET them.<p>Fuck Jar Jar Abrams the ass fucker. I hope he gets hit with a torpedo of shit just like we did.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovIsFuckingDead

  • June 12, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    good work SAGuy

    by palimpsest

    Happy to be of assistance!

  • June 12, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    And of course you are quite right about many

    by southafricanguy

    other countries taking part in D-Day dude, but America/Hollywood cant be responsible for making movies about the history of other countries. There is nothing and no-one stopping any other countries from making films about their involvement in WW2. And since it was such a global spanning, epic event, I think its fair to argue that any WW2 film really can only focus on a limited point of view so to speak.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    How about we all jus drop the nationalistic

    by southafricanguy

    jingoistic crap, and discuss things like adults/sane people?

  • June 12, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Jeesh. What startreks have you been watching?

    by UltraTron

    I mean the abrams flick isn't that far removed from other trek films that you could say any of those things. The only complaint I had was the villain's motivation being ripped out of the movie and placed in comicform that nobody read. In the comics(original writer's vision) Nero's ship in explained to be Borg modified. The 47 klingon warbirds he destroys are a test of his new ship. In fact the movie wasn't a reboot so much as a direct sequel to 10. We learn that Picard is now an ambassador and Data is captain of the enterprise. Captain Data rules btw. The writers covered everything as a wrap-up/transision from the next gen films. Abrams biggest failure was tearing this out of the movie and placing it in the comic. And the budweiser factory. Build fucking sets asshole. Beer kegs with computer stations in front of them? Sorry but the movie is ruined during every budweiser factory moment

  • June 12, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    I agree with your drop the nationalistic jingostic crap and discuss things like adults/sane people only this is the talkback. there is one talkabacker and we know who it is. who hates both robert zemeckis, jj abrams and his jj's star trek movie to the point we will not STFU about all this. I would not normally ask harry to ban anyone but please ban asimov. is posts are even entertaining. they are boring. we know you hate zemeckis, abrams and new trek. off to watch dr who. bye

  • June 12, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite


  • June 12, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    The US liberated Europe but the Russians defeated Germany

    by Arcadian Del Sol


  • June 12, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    never saw Insomnia or ST:IV in the theatre?

    by Robusto

    Really, for a writer of a movie site that seems odd. Just write I don't get into trends till after their hip. Post JJ trek it's cool so I'm a trekkie. Post Dark Knight Nolan is a god so I'm a Nolanite. If you werent interested in Nolan's followup to memento are you really a movie fanatic. Memento and Presige are his masterpieces. DK is good but very uneven and flawed.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    good talk with Nimoy... as for AVaTar

    by theonecalledshoe

    It's a special effects film with a very simple plot. This might as well fall into contention about that lord or the rings movie and why that little gnome or whatever he was didn't get the oscar accolades certain @ssholes wanted for him.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    WHO is bloody good this week

    by palimpsest

    Carry on.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Great article.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Thank you.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by GreenRiver

    Shut the fuck up you disrespectful PIECE OF SHIT.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Nice work Quint!

    by JAGUART

    Sweet yes!

  • June 12, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Yep it's a quality article

    by palimpsest

    Good to hear from a genre stalwart who's humble and genuine.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Actually I've heard people say everything about Avatar(#1 movie

    by UltraTron

    except this. It's the only movie I know of about a guy who falls in love with an alien and ends up giving up his body to become an alien and live with his alien lover as an alien.. besides the first startrek film.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by cool_britannia79

    Team America are folding faster than the Louisiana ecosystem

  • June 12, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    No German cunt ever steped boot on these shores you thick cunt, stop believing everything in Hollywood

  • June 12, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    by naughty pirate

    The americans are still trying to work why the football's round, and why everyone's kicking it....    

  • June 12, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by JaimeFoxx

    You can thank America for just about everything. Being that we could invade you at any time. You know... because you're weak. Thank you for the Spice Girls, though :-D <br> <br> BTW. You're welcome.

  • June 12, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    Well, you've killed more Brits with friendly fire then you have dirty Arab. How did Vietnam go for you ? Go back to your burger fat boy

  • June 12, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Oh... And Nimoy's the man.

    by JaimeFoxx

    It's a shame that just because a bunch of tea-sipping inbreds fuck up the oil industry on our side of the world that the focus even shifted off of him.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    The last Nazi on these shores

    by palimpsest

    was either Rudolph Hess in 1941 or Michael Caine in THE EAGLE HAS LANDED.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    Inbreds ???? Guess you've never steped foot out if your bedroom and gone to your southern states, as for the oil spill it was probally some fat American hick pressing the wrong buttons with his sausage fingers.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    now THIS is ugly

    by cool_britannia79

    vietnam mentioned already, this really jumped up a notch

  • June 12, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    Green you fucking cunt !!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Green should be shot at half time

    by palimpsest

  • June 12, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Yes inbreds.

    by JaimeFoxx

    And you are BOTH welcome for us bailing you you out of... well... everything. <br> <br> Now hurry up and pay us for the damage you caused over here. God. Do you fancy fucks own up to anything? <br> <br> Rhetorical question, of course.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Rendell

    Get in!!!!<p>Not so easy now is it England?<p><p>If Carslberg did team talks eh...?

  • June 12, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Green must be CIA

    by palimpsest

    The useless twat.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Come the fuck on England

    by JaimeFoxx

    Don't let us beat you at EVERYTHING, now!

  • June 12, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    this is all capellos fault..

    by emeraldboy

    he benched david james. got rid of theo walcot. etc

  • June 12, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    what else do you beat us at?

    by cool_britannia79

    cholesterol levels? no one else in the world plays your games, they're shit.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Now I'm really conflicted...

    by Rendell

    Because lets be honest, it's usually just the English with they're completely unrealistic sense of superiority and arrogance that turns off so many neutrals.<p><p>And then theres the Yanks.<p><p>I mean ones as bad as the other, who do you root for? It's like Simon Cowell V Donald Rumsfeld!!!<p><p>I need a drink...

  • June 12, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I wish we were playing Germany

    by JaimeFoxx

    At least then it'd be kind of hard.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by naughty pirate

    You won't. If crouch comes on it's all over. In other news seriously, what history does America have ? You stole a country, found out the other kids in the playground had more oil than so, so you bullied them and invaded their country causing the financial mess the world is in today and you bailed the FRENCH out of ww2, we were doing fine with out you, just shows what the world really thinks, america is just a bunch of inbred bullying cunts

  • June 12, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    capello will rip the shite out of his

    by emeraldboy

    team. england will win this game and get thier asses trashed by brazil and or spain. capello will be fed to the lions. the red top press. they will have to look for a new manager. to win the next world cup.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by JaimeFoxx

    The entire world's economy is America's fault. This is why we seldom play nice with you "chaps". You never own up to anything. <br> <br> Stick to SOCCER. At least in the "sport" you have a chance of beating us. <br> <br> And I fail to see how America is inbred. Take a looks at your "royal family". You break your neck diving into that gene pool.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    The royal family are all German

    by palimpsest

    so they don't count.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Kind of reminiscent of Carson and Croatia, eh? You fucking limey twunts.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by Mennen

    Thanks, Quint!

  • June 12, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Since I'm playing Devils Advocate here...

    by Rendell

    JaimeFoxx, having a competition called "The World Series" which is only played by US teams is pretty hypocritical, even you should appreciate that!<p><p>And since "Soccer" as you call it, is played by pretty much EVERY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET (and you guys don't like it very much), I hardly think you can take the moral high ground here...

  • June 12, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    i'm wondering who the africans are supporting

    by cool_britannia79

    the ex imperial overlords or the ex slave merchants?

  • June 12, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    ashley cole..

    by emeraldboy

    his ex-wife has him by the balls.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Star Trek IV - still the most popular Trek

    by RPLocke

    Slam Trek IV all you want, but Trek IV, First Contact, and Trek 2009 really broke out into non Trek audiences.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Bones is my favorite too

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    but the 3 are indispensible without one another. Also Uhura was da bomb as the 4th most featured, Scotty too. Chekov was funny as well, only Sulu had a creepy vibe.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Suck it, Brits!

    by garybuseys_incisors

  • June 12, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Beckham Shot First

    by Jay_Lenos_Ugly_Wife

    You know what I'm talking about.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Re: garybuseys_incisors

    by Rendell

    Yeah, well done... you needed a mistake to get a draw.<p><p>It's that American winning (no matter what) mentality that we know so well!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Re: Rendell

    by garybuseys_incisors

    It's kind of funny that the only ass kicking England did was to their own ass.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to say much more about it.

    by garybuseys_incisors

    I know football (soccer) is the world sport and I wish the US was more involved in it. I like it better than baseball and watch as much of it as I can. This crazy anti-American lingo here is absolutely ridiculous (especially if it's coming from an Englishman). Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I suppose, but lay off the hate, man.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    The hate continues. <p> Soccer sucks.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I personally thank the British.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    They treated people so bad that they decided to go off and form their own country.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Okay, calming down for a minute...

    by Rendell

    Fair point about the rampant jingoism on this thread, it does tend to come out particularly during the World Cup and anytime National teams are involved. <p><p> Secondly, as a Scot, we have to put up with the over-the-top English media working themselves into a Nationalistic fervour for the last month or so.<p><p>It does seem to bring out the worst in them for some reason... and they wonder why the Scots, Welsh and Irish support anyone but England?!!

  • June 12, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I'm officially revoking all nerd licenses from anyone

    by UltraTron

    mentioning anything other than Trek related comments in this talkback. Once revoked, you won't be able to post for a year. And then if you're caught even thinking of posting you get an ankle bracelet. Good luck getting laid with that shit attached.Oh yeah. You're a bunch of nerds. You don't get laid.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    oh and on tuesday..

    by emeraldboy

    saville report into bloody sunday comes out. 12 years. over a hundred million spent. the brits have put this thing into the hands of pps.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    the northern ireland public prosectution service...

    by emeraldboy

    they were laid into by the judge who threw out the conviction of the man charged with the omagh bombing.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Dear Lord...

    by Rendell

    Are you bringing "The Troubles" in to this?!?<p><p>Are trying to start it all over again?!?

  • June 12, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Nice write-up, Quint.

    by GimpInMyPants

    Sounds like a fun evening. It would be a cool if a video of Nimoy's discussion surfaced.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    no, not really..

    by emeraldboy

    i fact i couldnt care less.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    A great read, Nimoy is a true legend!

    by Lornsorrow


  • June 12, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by AsimovIsFuckingDead

    be quiet. the adults in the room are talking now.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Everybody hates AVATAR HAHAHAHAHA

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Martin Scorsese and now Leonard Nimoy <P>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA <P> Fagatar sucked ass lol

  • June 12, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, everyone hates Avatar.

    by RPLocke

    That explains why it's the number one movie of all time. Fucking morons.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    World Series only happens in USA

    by JaimeFoxx

    because in all honestly the rest of the world doesn't matter all that much! You know it's true ;-D

  • June 12, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Hurt Locker won best pic

    by RPLocke

    too bad no one saw it.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Re: JaimeFoxx

    by Rendell

    Like I said earlier, England & USA, as bad as each other.<p><p>Your last post: Exhibit A.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Avatar didn't deserve to be nominated

    by garybuseys_incisors

    for Best Picture. Great action and effects, but very poor story. Popcorn flick at best.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    A for accurate... as in...

    by JaimeFoxx


  • June 12, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I agree with garybusy on Av

    by JaimeFoxx

    even though I love James Cameron.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    C is for Cunt.

  • June 12, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Eddie Murphy should've been in JJ Trek

    by DarkhawkPrime

    He should've played Tyler Perry's part. Maybe he can play Admiral Cartwright in the sequel.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Eddie Murphy will be Khan in the next one

    by RPLocke

  • June 12, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Are we going through the alphabet or something here?

    by JaimeFoxx

    No need, Rendell. Despite you're general lack of knowledge and hatred of America I believe that you ARE capable of reciting your ABCs ;-D <br> <br> Now go chain yourself to a tree... or a whale or something if you'd be so kind.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    I'm being condescended to by someone who can't have a reasonable debate!<p><p>"general lack of knowledge and hatred of America"<p><p>Wow, stunningly mistaken on both counts! The thing is, I was playing Devils Advocate through my posts in response to the jingoism of some English posters and to yourself. A fact which has totally passed you by. You're the one displaying a lack of knowledge, not me...

  • June 12, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Oh I get it. You were joking the whole time!

    by JaimeFoxx

    WELL PLAYED! SURE HAD ME FOOLED! You win this round, you cad!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Thats okay...

    by Rendell

    Doesn't make you a bad person!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I think it would be funny if the US won the World Cup

    by JaimeFoxx

    and spray painted "SOCCER" on it. Very rude, I know, but it would be goofy.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    Even I can appreciate that one!<p><p>Humour... it's fantastic!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    That really is an odd video of Nimoy singing.

    by JaimeFoxx

    I wonder if it was somehow inspired by Shatner's Rocketman performance?

  • June 12, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Rendell.

    by JaimeFoxx

    And I was just kidding in most of my posts as well. Slow day, and alas, not much better to do :(

  • June 12, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    See, thats the problem with forums sometimes...

    by Rendell

    You don't get any tone, just words. Had we been having a proper conversation it would be good natured banter...<p><p>Until a certain type of English fan weighed in and then the overall vibe would have soured!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Poor English Fans...

    by CeejayNightwing

    I may be born and brought up in England but unlike the many brainwashed football fans in this country, i'm not under the illusion that we're good enough to win the world cup let alone beat the USA (which we definitely didn't do tonight!) The fact is we won the world cup once, only when it was played on English soil and we haven't even gotten to another world cup final since! The other fact is that every nation that has won the world cup has also gotten to another final on foreign territory as well as won their regional championships like the South American Championship or the UEFA European National Championships etc.. EXCEPT England, we've NEVER even gotten to the final! Our world cup win was a fortunate fluke, yet every world cup we're lucky enough to qualify for the entire nation convinces itself that it's the best team in the world and should win the tournament based totally on that one lucky win back in 1966! There's a real ridiculous selected memory when it comes to this nation and its history, we were conquered by the Romans and then by the Normans in 1066. The Romans were basically the Italians and the Normans were the French who migrated from the then West Germans! The arrogance that it takes to be an English football patriot is alarming but don't worry, all the flags, boasting and arrogance all come to an end as regular as clockwork after the English team gets dumped out of the World Cup Tournament every single time! For now, just bear with them, USA will probably qualify from the group with Algeria and then you'll see all the English posters in the thread disappear for a few months!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Tranny Knob Gobbler, you are the only 'fag' round here

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    You are the dancing monkey of the talkbacks, sent here to amuse us all. I would love to find out who you are and what your life is like; really, I would. I'd wager it is even more pathetic and disturbing than we could possibly imagine. Possibly - and this seems beyond belief - even sadder than Devin Faraci's life. Unless, of course, you ARE Faraci. <p>'FAGATAR' - No. 1 movie of all time; biggest selling DVD/Blu Ray ever; almost $3 billion gross. Yes, no one liked it all right. Highly fucking illogical, captain!<p>BTW, Scorsese (nor Nimoy) don't 'hate' Avatar. They simply may have thought it overrated or narrative not matching its technical achievements. There is a difference, you know. Now go gobble another cock, like a python swallowing an egg, you semen stained rent boy!

  • June 12, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Yanks, Limeys, Frogs

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Ain't It Xenophobia News.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    People who get excited by soccer

    by RPLocke


  • June 12, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    People who get excited by Baseball...

    by Rendell

    I mean doesn't that game go on for DAYS?!?

  • June 12, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Teaser for the animated Johnny Depp film, Rango

    by BumLove <p> It's kind of lack-luster, but it piques the curiosity, as does the website. You'll find yourself staring at the homepage endlessly. <p> That's right, sports nuts, this is a movie website.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    You're absolutely right...

    by Rendell

    And it hasn't stopped anyone from discussing and flaming across a broad range of non-movie related topics since 1996!

  • June 12, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    People who get excited by Hockey

    by RPLocke


  • June 12, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    England VS USA = The "Lost" Finale


    Both made me want to bang my head repeatedly against a wall.

  • June 12, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Thought this was a talkback about Star Trek?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Somehow it became a rant aginst BP and the oil spillage, and then a UK vs. US battle royale concerning the World Cup. I love these TB's that go off on wild tangents.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    People who get excited by GOLF

    by Triple_J_72

    Top that. :-P <p> Oh! And uh... GREAT Nimoy article!

  • June 12, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Um, just a technical detail...

    by Rendell

    It was England Vs USA NOT the UK.<p><p>The United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries: England, Scotland, Wales and NORTHERN Ireland<p><p>In most sports the UK has a united team that comprises members from the 4 nations. However, some sports, football being the most well known example, the 4 nations are represented by separate teams. It's seems to be a common misconception among Americans that England and Britain (or the UK) are one and the same thing. England may be the largest country in the British Isles but The rest of us (Scots, Irish, Welsh) Hate to be called English... It's like calling someone from Texas a New Yorker!

  • June 12, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher had the best line on soccer

    by Manatee

    "America has a lot of problems, but we've always known that soccer was bullshit!"

  • June 12, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah but come on...

    by Rendell

    What does he know?

  • June 12, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    ++++ A Truly GREAT Man... Nimoy.++++

    by TheBLIGHT

    My story on first meeting Nimoy... I am related to William Shatner (no BS), and was in Vancouver in 1996, invited behind the scenes to watch and enjoy their 2 Guys On Stage act at Canada Place. Nimoy got there late, looking heartbroken... I was in a corner, sitting on a couch quitely, and Nimoy went up to Bill and said: "I talked to Ann before the flight, Mark died." (Mark being Mark Lenard, the original and AWESOME Ambassador Sarek.) While I stayed in the corner quietly, I listened to them talk about how he had kept his illness (cancer) hidden out of fear of loosing out on work, and supporting his family. When they where given a 5 minute call before hitting the stage, Nimoy, said: "Bill give me a few moments" He went a stood by the window, hands behind his back and just stared at the mountains above West Vancouver for thos e 5 minutes. Bill looked over at me and smiled briefly, I nodded back (best I could do, in a PRETTY PRIVATE MOMENT), and when called to stage Nimoy smiled at Bill, went out and did an AMAZING show. A true heartfelt man, and wonderful professional. No one in the audience knew his heart was breaking a little as he made them laugh, and have the time of their life. A GREAT MAN.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I never realised how many ill educated cunts..

    by The Dark Shite

    were here before. You're all dumb as rocks & fighting over something that's as dumb as rocks. Fuck you all. Twice. In the face. Bunch of cocksuckers.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Now ya see...

    by Rendell

    Thats how to win an arguement. You must get invited to lots of parties... <p><p>right wing ones obviously.

  • June 12, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    You never saw Star Trek IV on the big screen before?

    by Droogie Alex

    Dude, how old are you, like 20? I saw all the Trek & Star Wars films in theaters when they first came out. Hell, I saw 2001 when it first came out.

  • June 12, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Oh & Obama is just being a pollitician..

    by The Dark Shite

    Which isn't a compliment. <p> I like him (at least he isn't as bad as their last guy. But ALL politicians do this. It's called "deflecting" or "Bouncing" in political speak. <p> He says "British Petroleum" despite the fact that they're a multi-national corporation & haven't been called that for years. They're mainly run by yanks. He says that on purpose, because it makes him look good & distances his voters from a mess they voted for. Bad choice though. Your only genuine mate in the world? Yeah. Nice one spock boy. <p> Tis way, the Americans don't need to think about who actually runs the company, they don't need to feel responibility, just blame people overseas. Vote for me:-D!!!!

  • June 12, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    People who watch bowling

    by RPLocke

    Help them.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    If you&re talikng to me, I'm about as left wing as left wing gets, (within reason). Just because I find you all insane doesn't mean I'm right wing. Maybe it means I'm the opposite but see things as they are. <p> It depends on your definition of left wing though. I don't invite old ladies to my house to fill in compensation forms, while baking cakes for illegal Albanian immiigrants. Sue me.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    I suppose I was just thrown by the "Fuck you all. Twice. In the face. Bunch of cocksuckers."<p><p>We trying a little social experiment on this thread just now, we call it "rational discourse".<p><p>Now I realise that makes a change for this site but I believe if we all work at it we can all learn something new and become better people.<p><p>Also... all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. <p><p>Here’s Tom with the weather.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Hi this is Tom

    by JaimeFoxx

    Weather tonight appears to be sunny all over the United States of America while dark clouds have encompassed England, unfortunately doing nothing to help the tear flooded streets. At this time a tantrum warning is in effect for the tiny, weak country with a 99% chance of misplaced blame. <br> <br> Back to you.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Thanks Tom...

    by Rendell

    Apparently the temperature will be 450 F in South Central with gusts of Hot Lead coming up Sunset...<p><p>My advice would be to get out of the fuckin' city!

  • June 12, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Did Nimoy get kicked in the balls in that pic?

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • June 12, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Nimoy should direct the next pic if JJ doesnt

    by RPLocke

    want to do it.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    "Star Trek IV" is an Anomaly

    by Uzala

    This was the fourth film of a franchise that was, if I remember correctly, more-or-less supposed to end with "Star Trek II." It had a cast who looked like they had well grown out of this kind of thing. It was part of a sci-fi space epic franchise set in the future, and yet this one was set on modern day Earth, usually the product of a diminished budget. Oh yes, and it was a comedy this time and it had a heavy-handed environmental message: "save the whales." For all intents and purposes, "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" was essentially "Galactica 1980: The Motion Picture." In theory, it had almost all the elements of complete unmitigated disaster, so why does it work so well? It amazes me how funny and entertaining this movie is to this day, and there are those who consider it to be the best of the "Star Trek" movies. My personal favourite is still "The Wrath of Khan," but I do consider this to be the best post-"Wrath of Khan" Star Trek movie. It, along with "The Motion Picture," are the only Star Trek films that don't at some point turn into pirates/cowboys/dogfighters-in-space movies. Live long and prosper, indeed.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Hey, south african guy...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...can't believe I'm going to defend them after the ice planet scene in the new Star Trek(which may be the most overconvenient thing I've ever seen in a movie), but Orci & Kurtzman can't be blamed too much for the Transformers 2 debacle. According to their interview in American Screenwriter, they had just finished the script for Trek with one week to go before the writer's strike (remember that?). During that week they did a barebones treatment for TF2, and that's all. requiring much more input from Bay & others than the first. Not wild about either, but it's still clear the first is better and this is a plausible reason why. In the same vein, those who complain about Quantum of Solace might want to remember that Paul Haggis only had time for a first draft of it before the strike hit. Whatever good the strike may have done in some areas, it clearly did some damage to a number of movies, something that seems to have been forgotten a few years further along.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    And Uzala...

    by kisskissbangbang

    I'd guess that the reason ST II and ST IV work so well was the involvement of Nicholas Meyer in both. Let's check that: did he do any others? Yes; ST VI. And how was it? The other best ST movie, you say? Well, there you go, then. Case closed.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    "Also... all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."<p> Red matter ain't. Red mattger can do anything! It's the best deus-ex machina in the known universe.<p> Ps, I called you all cunts & cocksuckers, 'cause you are. Don't be offended. You'll just look like the crying ginger fat kid. At some point, we all have to learn to live with reality. Say it once, say it loud. I'm a cunt & I'm proud.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I bet your mom's proud too

    by RPLocke

  • June 12, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    2 things: First that was a quote from the Late (and sadly missed) Mr Bill Hicks concerning "Positive" Drugs stories. Second: Calling people "cunts & cocksuckers" and your sole justification being "'cause you are." isn't a compelling argument!<p><p>That said... if you have come to the conclusion that you are a Cunt or Cocksucker, well I'm sure this is as good a place as any to "out" yourself. <p><p>I'm sure there are plenty of clubs you can join where you meet other like minded people...

  • June 12, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    What the hell are you talking about?

  • June 12, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite's post above yours!

    by Rendell

    Thought that was self explanatory...

  • June 12, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST sad delusional

    by southafricanguy

    cunt. Yes, indeed, no-one likes Avatar, that why its sold over 20 million DVDs and Blu Rays, and made over 2.7 Billion at the B.o. Sorry pal, but someone most certainly liked it. As did Spielberg, Tarantino (who placed it in his top 10 best list), Neil Blomkamp, Steven Soderbergh, Ridly Scott etc...How about you just get over the fact that that not everyone hates it the way you do? And while you are at you arrogant cunt, how about finally coming clean and admitting how wrong you were. For months before Avatar was released you spammed every talkback going on and on about what a massive failure it would be. But I will assume you are far too big a coward. Quick Tranny, tell me the winnnig lottery number for next week you dumb cunt....or who wil win the Soccer world cup?

  • June 12, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    Tranny is just a troll. I bet it's someone else here posting. Honestly some fans and critics on this site slam so much stuff and then praise weird shit that make you wonder if they've ever seen a movie in their lives.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Hold onto your fillings

    by JaimeFoxx

    It's about to get hairy.

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  • June 12, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Why does it matter if Nimoy thinks Quinto is a good Spock?

    by Professor_Monster

    Nimoy did his best work as Spock when others were writing for the character. As for people "getting it" - shit they had to change everything about the character in order for things to work. Remember when all you fuck smells were running around, head held high because Chris Reeves wife thought Brandon Routh was a perfect choice - look what that got us. If JJ's shit trek was so good - why are the still selling posters with the original Enterprise on them - why have they not all been changed to JJ'S hot rod bullshit ship

  • June 12, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    The Jimi Hendrix/Leonard Nimoy photo here...

    by Orionsangels

    Do better research AICN. It's called Google. Use it.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Brubaker is indeed cool in person, but

    by Dingbatty

    he's overly concerned and paranoid about what's posted on message boards around the web. He needs to let it go.

  • June 12, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    new butt nekkid pics of Jennifer Anniston

    by deelzbub

    out there in the internets somewheres. Tried to find em once already, no luck yet

  • June 12, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Because it's not the same ship, fuckstick.

    by JaimeFoxx

    Why do they still see posters of Kirk and not Picard, or Sisco, or... well no one give a fuck about the other two shows. <br> <br> Why is O'Brien still just a Chief? <br> How is Data the most decorated Officer in Starfleet and still just Commander?

  • June 13, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for the Ridley Scott session.

    by tritium

    You just know that someone is going to bring up the topic of the "Alien" Prequel that Ridley has in the works. We haven't heard much about this project in the past couple of months. I wonder if they have a final script, yet. And most of all, I hope it has NOTHING to do with that awful "Alien Harvest" script that was making the rounds (hopefully that was just a piece of fan-made fiction / hoax).

  • June 13, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST


    by garybuseys_incisors

    That Bill Hicks quote is the opening to the Tool song "Third Eye." I'm going to have to go dig out that CD now...

  • June 13, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry. I was watching porn.

    by The Dark Shite

    Yes, my mother's very proud.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Did hr have his teefs in?

    by NippleEffect

    how does one interview a liver spot?<p> dewd your still so not spock<p> ungrateful petulant child undeserving of the adulation heaped upon you<p> Anyone could have filled your shoes<p> You ungrateful twit

  • June 13, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    err he*

    by NippleEffect

    nimoy had a blesses life / career<p> look at most everyone who came out of the 60's

  • June 13, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    damit no edit function

    by NippleEffect


  • June 13, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST


    by NippleEffect

    it doesn't matter if we yanks win or lose<p> From here on out soccer will be know as Americas sport<p> YEAH! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!<p> ppppbbbblllltttt!<p> Every season of British soccer can be described as *The Culling of the Thugs*

  • June 13, 2010, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Some Fat Black Chick Would Be A Better Spock

    by NippleEffect

    and after a couple 40's you know your getting laid<p> you just never tell anybody about it<p> That's what the inbternet and hidden cameras are for

  • June 13, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    I read this from beginning to end! Loved it!

    by Orionsangels

    Thanks Quint!

  • June 13, 2010, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Class act

    by Shubniggorath

    I never get tired of reading or watching interviews with Nimoy, what a great mind this guy has.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    "Because it's not the same ship, fuckstick."<p> Somewhat correct...the old ship is a well-designed classic, where the new one looks like it was designed by a class full of hairdressers, complete with a hair salon for a bridge. Maybe they brew up Schmitt's Gay Beer in the engine room.<p> Seriously...that's the first starship ever designed to SUCK its way through space...

  • June 13, 2010, 4:44 a.m. CST

    RIP ASIMOVLIVES (2000 - 2010)


    Have Portugal had a powercut or has this article caused our resident JJ Abram fan's head to explode?

  • June 13, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    re jennifer anniston..

    by emeraldboy

    saw that awful film of hers the break up on tv. jennifer anniston naked was the best scene in the film. mmmm.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I really hate British Soccer fans

    by southafricanguy

    . I cant believe the way you guys are behaving about the result of the game. Are you that much in denial about not winning, or that they scored against you? I watched the game, and while the USA's goal wasnt particularly good, it was a goal. You keeper simply failed to get both hands on the fucking ball. Yet you are seriously spinning it so that it was an "own goal"!? Seriously? My God, you guys need to stop blaming everything and everyone else when you lose Soccer games, aside from your damn team's inability to win key games. Do you have any idea how arrogant and delusional it makes you guys look, not to mention what like bad sports too?

  • June 13, 2010, 5:13 a.m. CST

    But then again, you guys also like to cling to

    by southafricanguy

    a revisionist/fantasy version of history where you did nt need America's involvement in WW2 and you had everything under control......

  • June 13, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Oh, and please drop the smug/condesending

    by southafricanguy

    attitude about the name Soccer. Heres a secret for you guys....most of the English speaking world (over 70% of it) calls it Soccer. South Africa, Canada, Australia, Ireland etc....yup, all call it Soccer. You know what, that mkaes you guys in the minority, so stop being arrogant about it and just deal with the fact that for most of us its Soccer....

  • June 13, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    In the 2nd photo.....

    by BumLove

    ....Nimoy is demonstrating his well-honed skill to burp on demand.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    In the 3rd photo...

    by BumLove

    ...Nimoy explains that he can no longer make the Vulcan sign with his left hand due to arthritis.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    In the 4th photo....

    by BumLove

    ....Nimoy demonstrates his well-honed skill of farting on demand.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    In the 5th photo....

    by BumLove

    ....Nimoy explains that the Vulcan hand sign (which he can only make with his right hand) was actually the precursor to the "shocker".

  • June 13, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    love this tb

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    all the best shit is getting discussed here, world politics, war history, sport. <br />My two cents:<br />BP are seriously fucked, but if this doesn't prompt the American public to accept a proper tax on oil, abandon owning SUVs for the sake of driving to the shops, and instead purchase fuel efficent vehicles, better public transport and more rigoursly adopt alternative energy, then the country deserves what it gets<br />French are on the Security council for having great looking women, champagne and great food<br />England supporters will be obsessed with the "Green" goal, meanwhile he saved a certain one and England were lucky the US didn't score at least another 1 or 2<br />And enjoyed his role on Fringe (the showed went up for me in the second season)<br />

  • June 13, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    The English* invented* the word "soccer"...

    by mdf2

    Or rather some 1880s Oxford students started calling it that. They chopped the A and -tion off "Association" from association and stuck an "-er" on the end of it -- "soccer". Of course, that probably makes it a class thing, which is why they get so bent out of shape over it. Why they get so bent out of shape about people using it is beyond me.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Gah! Proofread, proofread, proofread!

    by mdf2

    "from association" should be "from Association Football", and I should have deleted the last sentence. Certainly undermines my semblance of competency. ;)

  • June 13, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Great talkback!

    by FlyingToupee

    Nimoy is a class act. I feel that ST III is very underrated, and I rank it second among the feature films. I agree with Quint about Bones. He was the character I most identified with. Looking forward to hearing what Nolan has to say. Hopefully he'll talk about INCEPTION, and drop a few tidbits about BATMAN 3.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    a classic joke about nimoy..

    by emeraldboy

    goes. the first volume of his autobiography is called I am spock. volume 2 is called I am not spock. volume three is If I am not spoke then who the hell am I.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Nimoy and Dragon*Con

    by Peter David

    At last year's Dragon*Con, at the awards banquet, I was asked to present a lifetime achievement award--the Julie Award, named for Julie Schwartz--to Nimoy. And I made this speech on stage, with about 500 people there, which wasn't that big a deal, but at the table right up front were the convention organizers along with Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, and Kate Mulgrew. Talk about your nerve-wracking presentations. And at one point, I said, "The character of Spock is so beloved that, in the recent movie, fans cheered and applauded that moment when Spock stepped into view in the ice cave, we were so damned happy to see him...even though it made absolutely NO story sense WHATsoever." And Nimoy fell over, he was laughing so hard, and Shatner was pointing at him and saying, "See? See? I TOLD you it didn't make any sense!"<p> One of THE great moments of an old Trek fan's life.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST this the Peter David that writes

    by southafricanguy

    comics? If so, always loved your Hulk run in the mid 90s dude. You are one of the funniest writers to ever write for Marvel imho. Thanks for the cool story about Nimoy. Glad to hear even he knows how utterly ridiculous that coincidence was....

  • June 13, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy... A few points

    by Rendell

    Okay firstly, If as you say "70%" of countries call football soccer, how come they all have the words "Football Association" in their titles and badges? <p><p>If you're South African then you'll know that your countries national organising body is the SAFA. <p><p>Nowhere is the word soccer used officially except in the US. Now there may well be countries which have started using the word soccer informally and I'd imagine that might be down to an American influence, but to suggest that 70% of supporters worldwide use the term is WAY off.<p><p>Second, Don't confuse England fans with British fans on this occasion, I know it's a bit confusing, I know some people think England and Britain are one and the same but they're not! Scots, Welsh and Irish fans don't (generally) behave in that way, in fact, they frequently get awards for good behaviour. English fans tend to get the opposite!<p><p>So, don't lump us into together. I feel we've made real progress today!

  • June 13, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Rendell....I never said 70% of Soccer suppor

    by southafricanguy

    ters worldwide, I said 70%of the English speaking population of the world. Try reading more carefully next time. And as I said everywhere except Britian, its called Soccer in the English speaking world. What the fuck difference does it make wehter its official or not? Do you only use words that are deemed "official"? I know its called SAFA thank you, however South Africans call it Soccer, and always have my entire damn life. There is nothing informal about it. I know thats a tough pill for you to swallow. Also, I am aware of the distinction between Britain and England, and I was of course referring to English Soccer fans, certainly not Welsh, Scottish et al.

  • June 13, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Well thats an important distinction then...

    by Rendell

    70% of the ENGLISH speaking population limits it to the countries you mentioned...<p><p>So does that mean then that the NON-English speaking countries don't count then? Try telling that to the Brazillians, the Italians, the Spanish etc.<p><p>Just because YOU call it Soccer, doesn't mean thats what it should be called. Also, don't accuse Brits of getting sniffy about the term because IT'S NOT JUST US! Admittedly we tend to be more vocal about it but we're not the only ones I assure you...<p><p>As for the distinction between Brits and English, while you might appreciate the difference, others on this thread haven't. Thats why I pointed it out.<p><p>And relax....

  • June 13, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    You do realise America continued to charge Great Britain for her swooping in and saving the day for another 60 years after the war- we only paid off the war debt to America a few years ago. Russia were World War 2's true heroes: they lost millions more than any other country (of course partly due to Stalin's ineptitude) and were the ones who really defeated Hitler.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't put it down to Stalin's ineptitude...

    by Rendell

    More like absolute ruthlessness. Don't get me started on WW2!

  • June 13, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • June 13, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    1987 San Francisco...

    by REDD

    Didn't the movie come out in 1986?

  • June 13, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    there was a lot of behind the scenes..

    by emeraldboy

    fury from the US after world war 2 hence the cold war. over churchill's approachement to stalins russia. the letters between the post war president of the USA and churchill were kept secret for 60 years. and they form the basis of Lawrence Ress's documentary called behind closed. there was a documentary on channel 4 when those letters came out. and it blows any notion about who won the war. brits said they did. the usa said they did. but neither side did. the real winner of world war two was stalin's russia. oh and both sides knew how muderderous leventi Beria was. there have been rumours that he ordered stalin's murder, beria wanted to run russia all along.

  • June 13, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST


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  • June 13, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Only thing I didn't like about the new Star Trek movie...

    by qweruiop

    ...was Kirk's insistence on talking over/yelling towards someone to get them to agree with him. There's like 4 separate instances where he's disagreeing with someone, and rather than hold a coherent discussion (ala Spock) Kirk keeps talking over them. Sometimes it's to the point where he's flat out yelling. Seemed very unprofessional, very unlike a leader, more like a toddler not getting his way.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Yup. That's me. Thanks for the kind words about my work. It's always appreciated.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    I think a more accurate view of the contributions of the "Big 3" in WW2 would be to say that Russia won the ground war (by tying down 75% of German land forces in the east), America won the Production & tech war (by having unsurpassed industrial power, e.g. "The Arsenal of Democracy"). <p><p>Britain's victory was simply avoiding total defeat in 1940 and providing the forward base vital to the eventual liberation of western Europe. Also, having the Royal Navy contain the Germans & Italians at sea, retaining control of the Med and preventing the possibility of a German seaborne invasion of the UK.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Check out this promo reel for a potential Mortal Kombat sequel

    by BumLove

    It may or may not get made, this is just the pitch reel to the suits. It's pretty great. <p>

  • June 13, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Call your local congressman....

    by BumLove

    ...and tell him (or her) to help get that Mortal Kombat sequel made. As schlocky as it may be, it still looks better than 99% of the shit out there.

  • June 13, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by PaulThomasAnderton

    Love yah, PD!

  • June 13, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Americans were VILLAINS of WW2

    by umbral_shadow_

    Thought I'd chime in on this. Hitler was committing genocide on the Jews in Europe, and what do the rich and powerful Jews in America do to help them? Absolutely fuck all. After the war was over, America rounded up NAZI WAR CRIMINALS and sent them to Nevada to work on their space program. The Apollo rockets should have had a Nazi emblem on them. No one came out of WW2 smelling of the roses, but the Brits were the real heroes for defying Hitler with courage and dignity while the rest of Europe fell.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, Back at the World Cup...

    by Rendell

    Oh Dear... Germany might have to be renamed "Team Blitzkreig" after the doing they've just inflicted on Australia. Having said that, theres no way Tim Cahill deserved a straight red.

  • June 13, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Ok so the President of the United States called me

    by UltraTron

    before breakfast this morning. We spoke briefly. I'm talking to him at length tomorrow. I'd like to put together a list of questions. Is there anything you would like to ask the president Mr. Nimoy? He'll be talking about the BP tragedy and health care mostly. Ok look. I'm serious here. Now is the chance to have your voices heard.

  • June 13, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    dont forget Canada's part in the war..

    by Bouncy X

    things would have turned out dramatically different if it wasn't for the awesome combo power of our one jeep, parachute guy and dingy.

  • June 13, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Lots of commies like soccer

    by RPLocke

    They like kicking things.

  • June 13, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Al Qaeda 'Jihad' soccerball

    by cool_britannia79

    Penalties go out with a bang. Handballs may result in involuntary limb amputation

  • June 13, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    The US only leapt to Europe's defence

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    when their own interests were threatened (Pearl Harbor et al.) Hardly out of charity. And both the US and UK were aware of the Holocaust and the concentration camps in Eastern Europe but did nothing to help until the later stages of the War. Fuck nationalism and jingoism. All countries only look out for their own interests, and certainly don't play by any universal moral code or sense of debt to their fellow man<p>Also, the US did indeed set Nazi war criminals free to work on their own interests. That's why the ending of Inglourious Basterds, fictional pulp cartoon though it may be, was especially ironic and darkly funny.

  • June 13, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Rendell......oh for fucks sake, stop putting

    by southafricanguy

    words in my mouth. I was never talking about non-english speaking countries. I am well aware that there are MANY that also call Soccer Football, and where the hell did I ever say that you or anyone MUST call it Soccer?! Geez, do you actually read other people's posts rendell? I was simply making the point that that those that dont call it Soccer should stop the snooty attitude about those of us that do, as if we are doing something wrong. Thats it....

  • June 13, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST all the guys saying that Russia

    by southafricanguy

    won the war, you do know there was the Pacific theatre right? What did Russia contribute to defeating Imperial Japan? Because unless there is a really good answer to that, then Im not sure how Russia gets sole credit....

  • June 13, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    The heck with both football and soccer

    by Peter David

    Rugby. Now THERE'S a man's game. All the bone-crushing impact of football with the uniforms of soccer. I watched it being played when I was in Australia and absolutely couldn't believe it. These guys just crashing into each other with total disregard to the theoretical limits of what the human body can endure.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Lets go Celtics!

  • June 13, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    People Who Watch Bowling...

    by Peter David

    ...may well have seen me in the audience during the ESPN broadcasts from New York. I always watch bowling on TV, I bowl in three different leagues, and I was also on the Marvel freelancers team in the freelancers vs. editors competition last year at the Bowl-Mor in Manhattan (we won). Don't be dissing bowling, RPLocke, or we WILL have words.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Victory in Europe

    by Kaitain

    "As a Brit I can tell you we don't deny the US was mainly responsible for victory in Europe" <p> As a Brit, I say with confidence that victory in Europe was mainly due to the Soviet Union.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Pacific theatre was won Ben Affleck.

    by cool_britannia79

    I saw it with my own eyes.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    *by* Ben Affleck

    by cool_britannia79

    But then Japan invented the edit button

  • June 13, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Re: Russia, Pacific etc

    by Rendell

    You had to ask didn't you...<p><p>Basically, Russia's sheer presence on Japan's northern border was a serious concern for her throughout the war. Japan lacked many natural resources and a big percentage of her wartime supplies came from Manchuria... right opposite a large and well equipped russian army on the other side of the border. Japan bent over backwards not to piss off the Russians throughout the war because it's one thing having the US island hopping over vast distances in Pacific, it's entirely different having thousands of tanks blitzkreiging there way through their primary supply region.<p><p>So, on August 8 1945, the Soviets declared war on Japan and unleashed an overwhelming offensive on Manchuria. The operation was so rapid and decisive, not only depriving Japan of her main source of minerals but also a major part of her landforces, that combined with the Atomic bombings, convinced the Japanese leadership to surrender.<p><p>This view is shared by many historians including leading American ones. The point I was trying to make earlier was NOT that the Russians should have sole credit in winning the war but that without their massive contribution, the war would have been anything but a foregone conclusion...

  • June 13, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "just because a bunch of tea-sipping inbreds fuck up the oil industry" <p> Didn't realize tea was so popular in Crawford. <p> The UK is one of the least inbred nations in the world, btw, due to its history of constant immigration and emigration. And it has a much higher proportion of inter-racial relationships than does the racially ghettoized United States.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Pacific theater

    by Kaitain

    "you do know there was the Pacific theatre right?" <p> Yes. And it was much smaller than the European/Mediterranean theatre. <p> The US did a phenomenal job in the Pacific, but it would be a mistake to think of the two theatres as being of equal size or importance.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "All the bone-crushing impact of football" <p> If Rugby truly featured the bone-crushing impacts of US football, most of its players would be paralyzed within weeks. <p> I hear this kind of thing a lot ("American football players are pussies wearing helmets and all that armour!") but it's fairly ridiculous. These guys slam into each other head-on and with few restrictions. If you do that without serious protection, you will end up dead or in a wheelchair.

  • June 13, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Good point...

    by Rendell

    Or to believe that the Pacific campaign was exclusively American.<p><p>Burma anyone?

  • June 13, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    "British soccer fans"

    by Kaitain

    The real story yesterday was that the #14-ranked team in the world played against the #8-ranked team, scraped a DRAW through a freak goal while playing without any attacking threat throughout, and its fans start to celebrate as though they've beaten Brazil. Talk about an inferiority complex. :) The US team is the one that should be worried after that performance. They beat Spain last year, and now this is the best they can manage? At least the England team carved out numerous goalscoring opportunities...

  • June 13, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    "If Rugby truly featured the bone-crushing impacts of US football, most of its players would be paralyzed within weeks."<p> That's what I thought until I actually watched it. I couldn't believe it. It was absolutely brutal, but the guys kept getting right back...except for the couple who limped off the field and the one who was taken off on a stretcher. Now if you're saying you've seen rugby and you disagree, well, fine. If you haven't watched it, well...I have.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Seen it?

    by Kaitain

    I played at fly half until the age of eighteen.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    And yes, it is rough

    by Kaitain

    But the laws of the game are designed to protect against the likelihood of torsion or compression injuries to the neck. Any action that does so is treated very severely. And front-on clashes of heads are extremely rare (although you'll get quite a few minor knocks to the side of the head in a game).

  • June 13, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Awesome interview with William Bell that you have there

    by turketron_2


  • June 13, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    If you weren't sucking the cock of an innocent man, I'd kick your teeth out. You ignorant fucking wanker. I hate cunts like you. Seriously, I'm fine with normal, intelligent Americans, but mouthy, ignorant yanks like you don't last 2 mins in my country. Try being the big man in person, instead of hiding behind a screen. I guaratee an Englishman will knock the fuckin taste out of your mouth. You stupid fucking cunt.

  • June 13, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Well, if those are the laws of the game...

    by Peter David

    ...they sure weren't being enforced in the game I saw. Granted, no head on collisions--and such head-on impacts have dropped off in American football as well--but lots of huge pile ups and body slams that I couldn't believe I was watching guys with no shoulder pads or head gear engaging in.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Why Talkbacks need guidelines & mods

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    This thread right here. Seriously, what the holy fuck are some of you people talking about? It sure as hell isn't about Nimoy. Idiots! With that said, I'd sure love to know if Nimoy has any further plans to write more. I like his books and the play he wrote called Vincent. I'd love to see more.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Even if AICN was heavily moderated, Jehosaphat...

    by Shermdawg

    Me thinks Peter David would still be allowed to go off-topic.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Peter David......have you ever seen the South

    by southafricanguy

    African Rugby team play, the Springboks? That is if you want to see a real Rugby team play that is lol...

  • June 13, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Rendell, Kailan....yes I know the Pacific the

    by southafricanguy

    atre was smaller, but no less important to the overall victory. And no it wasnt exclusively American, but they sure did the heavy lifting there. And obviously Russia was very significant, but at the same time their losses were huge, and they stopped Germany in large part by useing their troops like cannon fodder. My only point was in answer to the ignorant English dude that claimed they had everything under control, and did nt need America's involvement. When the simple truth is that D-Day could not have been pulled off without American troops, and equipment. And regardless of wether the UK would have held out against Germany forever, the fact remains they would have always been in a defensive position, and have been unable to mount anything resembling D-Day.

  • June 13, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    And did nt D-Day take a lot of the pressure

    by southafricanguy

    off Russia, by Germany having to devote the troops and resources needed to defend against it? Thus helping Russia to push the Germans all the way back to Berlin? But thats exactly my point, there are so many potential alternative things that could have happend if x, y or z did nt or did happen. What if Hitler had nt invaded Russia, what if the Japenese did nt attack Pearl Harbour? etc... etc...Lets not forget that up until those two occurences, Hitler had basically won and secured fortress Europe.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Don't worry, the US team wont get far

    by RPLocke

    David Beckham is an overrated piece of shit.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Kaitlin...I think its you guys that have the issu

    by southafricanguy

    es, you keep coming up with a hundred excuses fro your loss, perfect example "freak goal". Too damn funny, as usual no dealing with the simple fact that your team was unable to win. When did you guys become so delusional about your Soccer in general?

  • June 14, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    England's loss

    by Kaitain

    This is the game they lost by one goal to one, yes? A 1-1 loss. <p> Too damn your ignorance about the pedigree of the US team (almost as good as that of England) you assume that Saturday's game was some tremendous virtual victory for the US. It was not. The fact remained that a freak goal - yes it was, and they do happen in football, see also Oliver Kahn's freak spill in the 2002 WC final - allowed the US to avoid losing a game in which they had been outplayed. Shit happens. England did not look especially good - they were unbalanced, with a weak right flank and a suspect central defensive partnership - but the US looked worse, and ought to be the more concerned team considering their high world ranking. <p> You probably still think of the US as a minnow side, like New Zealand or Honduras. They simply AREN'T. They're a good team, or at least, they're supposed to be. <p> btw Nimoy sounds like a good guy to me. Did anyone ask him why he made such a lame choice for soundtrack composer with The Voyage Home?

  • June 14, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Sorry, I mean

    by Kaitain

    weak LEFT flank. Lennon and Johnson had some half-decent link-up play on the right, but Milner and SWP both looked out of their depth and/or unfit. SWP looked clueless in the final third.

  • June 14, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "David Beckham is an overrated piece of shit." <p> Is that intended to be connected with the claim that the US team won't get far? If so, how? Beckham: <p> 1. Doesn't play for the US team (he's English) <p> 2. Isn't playing at all (he's injured, and in any case too old) <p> 3. Isn't "overrated" by anyone except those who know nothing about football. In his prime, he was a terrific crosser, a great distributor of the ball, took awesome free kicks, was kinda slow, not a great dribbler, not a great header of the ball, worked hard, tracked back well, surprisingly good tackler. A solid 7.5/10 player with the knack of turning games with a moment of magic. <p> He was never the best player in the world, nor did he claim to be. He's quite an unassuming guy, a nice bloke. Not the arrogant arsehole that some people assume he must be without bothering to check (if you want to see someone like that, look no further than Cristiano Ronaldo).

  • June 14, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST you and othe English guys like

    by southafricanguy

    rendell actually read other people's posts, or are you too busy lecturing us about Soccer. Where did I say you lost? I said you failed to win, which last time I looked thats what a draw is. Also, I do not think the US is some minnow team comparable to NZ (so please dont make arrogant assumptions about what I do or do not know about US Soccer) I am well aware thank you of the US's improvemnts over the last few years. All I have been saying is how you English fans were so sure you would destroy them beforehand, yet you only managed a draw against a team you admit looked like a mess. And then you English Soccer fans pull 500 excuses out of your ass. Same ol same ol. Like death and taxes, I ve watched you guys make the same excuses since I watched my first world cup where Argentina beat you,and the infamous "hand of God" incident occured. It was English Soccer fans on here bragging about how you would easily "spank the yanks", and how they would "get fucked up like the Louisiana ecosystem"(real classy that one). And then you dont win, and instead of showing a hint of humility for failing to beat a team, which yourself admit looked like a mess, you start going on about "freak goals" naseum. Wow, I guess when it comes to your Soccer you are as arrogant as the CEO of BP who also cant just say sorry, we were wrong, but instead insists its not that bad, what the bifg prob?

  • June 14, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Oh....and your royal family are the worlds

    by southafricanguy

    richest hillbillys. There is almost no-one more inbred than the royal families of Europe. Yeeehaww! indeed.....

  • June 14, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    And I love the way you English love to call out

    by southafricanguy

    others on their ignorance, all the while making numerous comments which show your complete ignorance of American sports. Like some of the howlers above "American sports suck, and no-one plays them" .Ok, I guess thats why Basketball is the fastest growing sport in almost every country in the world, and is second behind only Soccer in global popularity as a team sport (please note I am saying team sport! As you seem to skip over important parts of what im saying). Wow, just like you English love to go on and on about Apartheid, all the while neglecting to remember that segregation was official British colonial policy. And we were only able to implement Apartheid so effectively thanks to the great work you guys did destroying the black peasentry so that they could be cheap labour to work the gold/diamond mines for you. We may have built the house, but you layed the foundation. But thats you English, you all think your shit does nt stink, and its everyone else thats fucked up, and or stupid.

  • June 14, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I live in Korea, and I have also lived in Japan

    by southafricanguy

    and China, and Basketball and Baseball are massive in all three countries (oh, how that must sit in your craw). Maybe its time you English started dropping your prejudices and ignorance about Amercian sports and their popularity in other parts of the world?

  • June 14, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    For the record Kaitain....despite what you

    by southafricanguy

    think, there are many things I admire about England (great 70s rock bands, a damn good rugby team), and I hace English friend here in Korea, and I really have no problem with you guys, but for some damn reason when it comes to Soccer, and issues relating to America, you guys become insufferable.....

  • June 14, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Erm... relax man

    by Rendell

    okay firstly: in the words of Malcolm Tucker (In the Loop) "Don't EVER call me fuckin' English again!"<p><p>I'm a Scot and I think I may have mentioned that on this thread earlier.<p><p>Theres WAY too much testosterone/nationalism on this thread and we all have to calm down. Frankly I was enjoying playing Devils Advocate earlier when some English guys were winding everyone up and, to be fair, I was returning the favour to one or two of the yanks when they rose to it.<p><p>I much preferred the historical debate e.g. WW2 as thats my thing being a military history buff. I realise that the typed word on screen may lack "tone" and people might jump to the wrong conclusion (As was noted earlier by a US poster). A light hearted conversation with gentle ribbing is what we're aiming for here...<p><p>Come on, can't we all just get along?

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  • June 14, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Peter David story...

    by TheBLIGHT

    Great story man... much lighter than my experience with a truly sad day, and first time Nimoy meet... GO SHATNER GO! Hahaha... Can picture Bill going: "See!... IT... MAKES... NO-SENSE...!" Classic pauses and ALL.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    Just gotta say that as an Englishman (& one whose had many a pleasant conversation with you), I'm pretty disappointed in your anti-English comments. <p>Guys like that Jaimefox fella are bad enough. A lot of things you've said are sterotypes & generalisations & I find them pretty offensive. I'm not gonna insult you like I did that other guy, but really, it shows that you have a bias against us based on stereotypes, rather than experience. That's all I wanted to say. Just my honest opinion.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    who's, not "whose"..

    by The Dark Shite

    It's late here & I had a shit day at work. Time to get off this type of TB methinks.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Nope, never seen South Africa Rugby

    by Peter David

    Kind of a fluke that I saw it in Australia.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "rendell actually read other people's posts, or are you too busy lecturing us about Soccer. Where did I say you lost?" <p> Quote: <p> "Yes, you keep coming up with a hundred excuses fro your loss, perfect example "freak goal"." <p> Where I come from, a loss is an occasion where you lost. But you may have better command of the language than me.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Royal Family

    by Kaitain

    I find it hilarious when people from other countries think that the English adore and are dedicated to the royal family, as though we all have pictures of them on our walls and are outraged when people insult them. I guess you've never seen the likes of Spitting Image. The English, in general, have an amused affection for the institution: it's something that keeps the tourists coming. <p> And nobody seems to bother giving the Spanish, the Swedes or the Dutch a hard time about their royal families. I guess the Brits just export the brand better.

  • June 14, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    American sports

    by Kaitain

    ""American sports suck, and no-one plays them" .Ok, I guess thats why Basketball is the fastest growing sport in almost every country in the world" <p> Well, here in Canada the canucks will tell you that basketball is a Canadian sport, although that's debatable (and you may have meant "North American" in any case). <p> I don't follow basketball or baseball much, but I have watched shitloads of NFL football and hockey in my time. (I like both sports and will defend football in particular against the ignorant criticisms of some Brits I encounter.)

  • June 14, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Ouch on the @$$holes Statement from Bru

    by optimous_douche

    We're not that bad are we?<p> Shit I was good enough to use as a pull quote on the back of Incognito.

  • June 14, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    As much as it pains me to admit it...

    by Jaka

    ...I'm glad to hear that a certain author of some of the best Trek books ever written feels that way about Spock's appearance in Star Trek 2009.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Class act

    by AsimovLives

    I know it's repeating the old cliché, but i really hope he lives long and prospers.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Actuaslly, it was the other way around, Russia forced Germany to commit most of it's troops on the eastern front that it made it easier for the allies to disembark in Normandy. The Russians were the relief, not the ther way around. without Germany stalled in Russia, the D-Day, the invasion of europe from the Northern shores would had never happened, it would had been an impossibility.

  • June 14, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Tend to agree

    by Kaitain

    The Red Army tied up the vast majority of the Wehrmacht. Overlord merely accelerated the end of the war. There is some debate as to whether the allied landings in Italy in '43 lead to a weakening of the Panzer divisions for Zitadelle and whether Overlord had the knock-on effect of helping out Bagration in '44. <p> I do think people sometimes underplay the ferocity of Overlord and the quality of German troops that were deployed westwards in June 1944. However, it is beyond reasonable doubt that Germany would have been defeated even if D-Day had never taken place (or the landings had failed). The long term legacy of D-Day was arguably the securing of western Europe from subsequent Soviet control, not the decisive defeat of the Third Reich.

  • June 14, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Darkshite.....I can only apologise then. You

    by southafricanguy

    are indeed correct that I made a number of offensive remarks. I can only chalk it up to getting pissed off at the rampant nationalism that comes up over stupid shit like a meaningless Soccer game, exactly the reason why I hate the nationalist attitudes that something like the world cup fosters. Theres no question it certainly got carried away, and I am certainly guilty....

  • June 14, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Kaitain.....if it helps...I kind of gave the Dutch

    by southafricanguy

    Spanish, and Swedes shit about their royal families as I tried to insult all European royal families...Im an equal oppertunist that way....

  • June 14, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Darkshite....I can also only say that I was

    by southafricanguy

    really and truly only referring to a certain type of English Soccer fan that behaves a certain way bout issues I was going on about, but truly other than that, some of the coolest people I have met in my travels are English, and I have several good English friends. I just really hate double standards, and snooty attitudes that get fostered by nationalism, and there was a lot of it going on here (some Americans just as guilty)....

  • June 14, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    So again, apologies to all English people that

    by southafricanguy

    I may have offended in the talkbacks. I did indeed say several inapproprite things....

  • June 14, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST are you an Englishman living in

    by southafricanguy


  • June 14, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Oh...and I owe Rendell an apology for mistakin

    by southafricanguy

    gly calling him English. I know Scots hate that (and somehow I must have missed it), so to you I also apologise.....

  • June 14, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Asimov and Kaitain......sorry for any misunder

    by southafricanguy

    standings, but I was never implying that D-day took all the pressure off Russia, you guys are quite correct about it being the other way around, my point was merely that ultimatly neither Russia nor the US/Uk/Canada (I know I am leaving out other countries, but for the sake of argument, they did the heavy lifting on that side) could have achieved victory without the other. Without Russia, I dont think the main playors on the Aliies side could have won, and at the same time I highly doubt Russia would have won going it alone either. I guess its just something I have always admired about WW2, that despite their differences, it was such an amazing example of how people from different cultures/ nationalities etc...can really come together to fight and win against something as insidious as the Axis powers...

  • June 14, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    No problems. Peace. All the fun of the forums... <p> And I agree that it's completely ridiculous that former allies use WW2 as a stick to try to beat each other with. I think the truth of the matter is that every nation has a simultaneous superiority/inferiority complex towards certain others and is often looking for reassuring validation in the form of self-serving myths. In my experience this is definitely true of the UK and the USA. Loud boasting and taunting usually comes from a position of hesitant insecurity manifesting at some level, even if there is genuine pride mixed in with it.

  • June 14, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    No worries sourhafricanguy..

    by The Dark Shite

    I had a really bad day at work here in Japan, (one which actually started with some woman refusing to buy a lunchbox & stating really loudly that a "dirty" gaijin had touched it. In other words, me. The last thing I needed was anti-English sentiment. <p> I agree with you on nationalism though. In fact, despite the image (usually in American movies), the English & the British as a whole aren't very nationalistic. We usually hate it & we're especially anti-empire. I suppose we do get a little excited at world cup time (by that I mean the normal fans, not the hooligans who aren't even true fans in my opinion), but I suppose that's what happens when you combine a country's national sport and our cultural identity. It gets so hyped back home, it ends up a bit like going to war without guns.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST man. As a South African we

    by southafricanguy

    know the dangers of unchecked nationalism (the NP Apartheid government were ultra right wing nationalists), so for us we get kind of disgusted when we see people making such insulting remarks to each other, and useing national pride as an excuse. I think you are right, there is a certain insecurity in it. But its not only in the US and UK dude, you see a lot of it in China and Korea too. And have you ever met Russian people? Based on my meetings with them, I would guess nationalism is pretty big in Russia too.

  • June 14, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Darkshite.....glad we are cool dude, you are

    by southafricanguy

    one of the talkbackers I resoect the most. I sympathize about your experience in Japan. But you and I both know that nationalism is very strong in both Korea and Japan, and it can mainfest in really ugly xenophobic incidents, I have had similar things happen to me dude. Unfortunatly its the shitty side of living in Asia. Imho, they seriously need to ease back on the hyper nationalism out here...

  • June 14, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    And if it makes you feel any better, they are

    by southafricanguy

    so ignorant of South Africa, that they always assume my parents must be black (even though im white), that I must have AIDS because im from Africa and so on and so on.....

  • June 15, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Arguing about sports on a geek site.

    by Dingbatty

    Whatever, jock scum. ;-)

  • June 15, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    Peace eventually breaks out on this thread and one bad apple...<p><p>Giving English people a bad name as usual!

  • June 15, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I think the nationalism in Russia has to do with their atempt top try to think they still have a global empire like they did during the USSR years. It's also a reflection of deep resentments with their fellow slavic enighbours, like the ukranians and the bielo-russians and the baltic countries, which they felt forced to live with under a pax sovietica. Also, inside russia itself, there's a pretty big conflic and mutual distrust between the european russians and the siberian russians.

  • June 15, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You know, for some reason, whenever i think of a south african, my first though is that person is white. i always assumed, right form the start, that you are white. Whenever i thin of south african, i think first Charlize Theron, not Nelson Mandella. I don't know why, but it's what i do. Even though the black population in south africa is gigantic compared to the white minority. You think you can offer any possible reason why i think like this?

  • June 15, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Rendell

    Um... years and years of Apartheid?

  • June 15, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    lol...Rendell....Asimov, old friend, I would

    by southafricanguy

    think its because it has always mostly been the white face of South Africa that has been presented to the rest of the world. Think about the most famous things from SA, the Springbok rugby team (still almost all white), Charlize Theron, Apartheid (as Rendell so astutely pointed out). Plus I guess that most non-South Africans tend to meet White South Africans (as white South Africans can and do travel much more than Black South Africans). So I thin k its just because thats what is out there and being shown as it were......

  • June 15, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    The Times they are a changing...

    by Rendell

    Obviously that image of South Africa is going to linger a while yet but, slowly but surely, South Africa's image is becoming "The Rainbow Nation". This World Cup is helping in that regard. It'll be interesting to know the views of the visiting fans when they return home at the end of the tournament.

  • June 15, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    by southafricanguy

  • June 15, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Russians.....I just dont know dude, The Russ

    by southafricanguy

    ians I have spoken to all say that the Ukraine, Belaruss etc...are part of Russia and still should be. I have also heard many Russians say that as far as they are concerned the atomic bomb was only dropped as a warning to Russia. Their views seem to display a type of nationalism, and a type of persecution complex. I dunno, its kind of wierd....

  • June 15, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Re: Russians

    by Rendell

    Thats so weird that you should mention that, I've been getting that impression for a while now. Have noticed quite a bit of Russian nationalism creeping in, particularly on the net. Found a REALLY creepy site which basically idolised Stalin and Russia of the WW2 period: <p><p>

  • June 15, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Rendell..........I can only speak from my exper

    by southafricanguy

    ince with Russians, and they dont blame Stalin for anything that caused them such hardship during that time, instead he was an awsome great strong leader, and it was all America's and England's fault for not doing more to help. Thats what they seem to truly believe....

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    by Mennen