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No Joker For Nolan’s Third Batman!!

Published at: June 4, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!! “No,” Jonathan Nolan tells Empire Magazine when asked if the Joker will appear in Nolan’s third “Batman” movie. I applaud his resolve. There’s no reason to sully what was the finest depiction of Batman’s most iconic nemesis. Best to explore new avenues rather than hire Jeffrey Weissman or somebody to dilute in our memories “The Dark Knight’s” brilliance. There’s still no word on which villain(s) the next movie will employ (Nolan says it won’t be Victor Fries either), but I know who I want.

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  • June 4, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Can we put this rumor to rest now

    by schadenfreudian

    Nerds? Please?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Four hours after I read this somewhere else!

    by HapaPapa72

    Sorry, fanboys!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Good! And also it was expected

    by TheWaqman

    only morons thought he would recast the Joker in this trilogy. No new Joker until the next reboot from a new director.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    OMG liek 4 whole hours?!?

    by natrlbornthrllr

  • June 4, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Quite a succinct statement there Mr. Nolan

    by CathleenTurnerOverdrive

    "No". How about "No" to Catwoman as well? Por favor?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah, just LIKE four!

    by HapaPapa72

  • June 4, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    i hope...

    by imagegod

    ...that Batmite finally gets his film debut. for chrissakes make it happen, he'd totally fit into Nolan's world.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Not really a surprise

    by Bruce of all Trades

  • June 4, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    As long as it's not Catwoman.

    by alan_poon

  • June 4, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Joker don't get to eat???

    by Sonic Reducer

    Just no damn catwoman

  • June 4, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    And I meant sorry there'll be no more Joker...

    by HapaPapa72

    Not sorry that I heard it elsewhere, spellcheck.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I am glad!

    by billF

    Heath's performance needs to stand along for a very long time. Lets keep moving forward.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    is that supposed to be catwoman?

    by JaredP

    it doesnt say

  • June 4, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The return of Ra's Al Ghul from the Lazarus Pit.

    by vic twenty

    Or maybe Black Mask.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Or.....

    by Sonic Reducer

    His true archenemy from the animated series from long ago, the one the only Moonman!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    actually i hope

    by imagegod

    it's a full on detective story with the Riddler making Batman's life a living hell with his many awesome and appauling riddles to solve. kill off Fox ( i like him but Batman shoud need him no longer). <p> lastly, i'd love it if Batman gets a new suit, one that isn't so armoured. make it more fabric so he can be more stealthy when giving cops the slip. i know it most likely won't happen but i'd love to see Batman look a bit more like the comics in that respect.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Jack Nicholson was right to be pissed...

    by RandySavage

    his Joker is "finer" than Ledger's (in my opinion). <P> I'm not disparaging Ledger's Joker, which was great, but I saw Batman again recently and Nicholson's turn is much more fun, entertaining and ICONIC than Ledger's.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    The Tommyknocker

    by vic twenty

  • June 4, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    by Sonic Reducer

    Wouldn't mind seeing Ra's Al Ghul again

  • June 4, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Shame, would've liked to see the joker again

    by HanSelo

    .... Even if it was in a smaller role. Heath did a good job, but a decent actor in the same make-up good still shine. Harry potter managed with a new dumbledore. Linking a character to a particular actor is a dangerous precedent that could prevent other directors taking a risk with re- introducing previously screened players into existing franchises. I say start screen testing good actors with a likeness to Heath ledger in make up and move on to complete a great batman trilogy.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Pretty much has to be the Riddler...

    by jaws8u

    Seriously... Catwoman!?!? She's too ridiculous for this Batman, and frankly, not interesting enough. They also should avoid the Penguin... The only issue with the Riddler is that they might make him too similar to the Joker, but I really have no problem with that.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Calendar Man

    by vic twenty

  • June 4, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    i'd be fine

    by imagegod

    if they made mentions of the Joker, maybe say something about him in incarcerated in Arkham. Maybe have killer Croc as a cannibal thug like in that cool Joker comic. meh who knows... just know that i don't want to see catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Riddler and Cat Woman probably

    by RPLocke

  • June 4, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    NO to CATWOMAN...

    by ckone

    Sorry, but NO. I've had enough enough enough of the love thing in batman movies. HE ALWAYS BRINGS THEM BACK TO THE BATCAVE. I CAN'T STAND IT! Please, please please don't put her in it. Stay away from Penguin, or Catwoman. I think more than anything I would surely love to see Batman use his detective skill and solve an actual crime. I loved Begins and Dark Knight, but please give us some detective. Make the Bat have to try to use his brain as well as his tech and cool gear. Just no more damn love interests. At least if there are, DON'T BRING EM TO THE CAVE...PLEASE!!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    they could play Riddler

    by imagegod

    as a very concise criminal that rivals Wayne's maybe. in this way it would be very different from the Joker, and would give a great challenge to Batman - a real battle of wits... batman would be knee deep in solving cool and horrible puzzles.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Joker Shmoker.

    by theguilty1

    Two Face was much more interesting.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    RandySavage

    by jimmy_009

    It's comparing apples to oranges. They are both excellent and in two different kinds of movies. Why try to rate them against each other?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Great.

    by slone13

    <p>Joker's done. Bring on some new villains.</p> <p>Too bad they completely wasted Two Face in Dark Knight.</p>

  • June 4, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    You want Elvira, Mistress of the Dark?

    by Stryder

    Or is that Catwoman? You'd think a cat burglar would pick an outfit that made movement easier, rather than skin-tight leather that shows off her big... soft... round... What were we talking about?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Dude.. not cool..

    by jpanimator

    Herc man, no need to drag Jeffrey Weissman through the dirt (he's an acquaintance of mine) - he wasn't even the one who caused that whole BTTF cluster f**k.. It was Crispin Glover - J.W. was just hired to do as he was told - anyway, glad we're not gonna try to do THAT with the Joker.. I feel your pain.. but JW is a hard working actor and a nice guy.. Harsh...

  • June 4, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    maybe

    by imagegod

    have Riddler or whoever it is kill off Fox at the beginning to show how real a threat the new baddie is. it could also be the start of tormenting Wayne, like 'i know who you are, let the madness begin' or something like that. <p> catwoman, poison ivy, man bat, NO NO NO. there are many villains that would just not fit in unless they are completely re-imagined by Nolan. <p> OR maybe Nolan will take a lesser known villain and turn him into something cool.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Riddler would be a great update

    by jimmy_009

    My only beef would be that visually he would be uninteresting (assuming they don't put him in a ridiculous suit with question marks all over it). The first movie had scarecrow, the second Joker. They were both visually interesting and comic booky without being over the top. The updated riddler would likely be a smart guy in a suit or something.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    BOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • June 4, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    4815162342

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    lost is offically everywhere.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Did Two Face die in DKR?

    by CrunchyMilk

    I can't remember, bring him back if he didn't.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Smart, respectful...but ultimately disappointing.

    by calloway98

    I would like to see a DARKER villan. I would like to see a darker rogues gallery of UNportrayed characters! Pick 2!) Killer Croc, Talia AlGulh, The Mad Hatter, Clayface, the Ventriloquist, Mr. Zsasz, Solomon Grundy, Man Bat, or Solomon Grundy! Personally I'd like to see Zsasz done DARK! (Se7en-ish), maybe mixed with Kiler Croc! Murders all over Gotham bringing the Batman BACK into public favor when he stops tham?... Talia Al Guhl as a secondary character?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    idrinkyourmilkshake

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...I just mentioned lost in the Hawkguys (get it, cuz he looks gay) tb... are we all goin back to the island?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    David Tennant as the Riddler

    by Anna Valerious

    I am going to be putting it over and over... And yes, Harv is no longer with us.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Save Two Face for the "Return of the Joker" movie!

    by calloway98

    I dont care if it's one or 2 movies down the road, save him for the next film, and whatever actor is daring enough to play the role. We NEED a Joker!! You just can't DROP the character.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Harv is dead?... whoops!

    by calloway98

  • June 4, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Well, There goes 100,000,000 Dollars.

    by cookylamoo

    Who do you think made the last movie a giant hit, Nolan.....You????

  • June 4, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    PS Joker is MY Luke, Vader, Bond, Holmes, etc

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...ya know, everyone has that favorite character ever, and Joker is mines... kinda sad and depressin really... "all it takes is one bad day to turn the sanest man alive to lunacy"

  • June 4, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Is this a surprise...

    by THX1968

    ... to anyone? However, the Joker will be back sooner or later, and rightfully so. Ledger's performance was indeed iconic, but it is no sacred cow. There will always be reason for another artist's interpretation of any role. Also, if they go with Catwoman, my interest in "Batman 3" will drop considerably. My vote is for The Reaper (Year 2), but that is a total longshot.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Well, guess Harvey's coming back.

    by Terrmaster

    And rightly so.....Yelchin for Grayson.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Riddler is good but too close to Joker

    by FrodoFraggins

    and I can't imagine Catwoman or The Penguin working in a Nolan film.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Keep it Classic

    by sirbroiler

    Surprised there are so many Selina haters out there. Catwoman is a classic character - and it would be cool to see her claw into Bruce's life after he lost Rachel - who he thought would somehow end up with him. And there is absolutely no reason they can't bring back Harvey. I know some have said he is surely dead - but there was no proof of this other than his unconscious body. The whole "he's dead" can just be a way Batman and Gordon protect the his legacy. It would make a great story.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    No Marmaduke review??? I'm out

    by Ye Not Guilty

  • June 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Killer Croc or Man-Bat, I say

    by deelzbub

    If I were Movie-Version-Batman, I would get bored to death fighting the same 4 or 5 villians! Thank God they're not going to Joker the shit out of us!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Not even a cameo via unused footage from TDK?!

    by Sith Witch

    I thought they'd pull a Superman Returns (with Marlon Brando) and use snippets of spare material to construct a cameo of him in the shadows of an Arkham Asylum cell, closing out the whole trilogy with a real kick!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Ra's and Talia FTW

    by MR. MURDOCH

    That's what would please me, along with perhaps some version of the Riddler around F'ing things up. I could see them introducing "Selina Kyle." But Catwoman? I just don't see Nolan and Goyer "going there"...but fanboy pressure may get to them (although it SHOULDN'T LET IT).

  • June 4, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    You just haven't seen

    by Hercules

    Catwoman done right yet.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Mr. Zsasz

    by schadenfreudian

    Would be great, but he's probably too obscure for the average moviegoer. (I believe there was a reference to him tin Dark Knight, no?)<br> Keeping that in mind, it's probably gonna have to be Catwoman or the Riddler. But I trust in Nolan, so I have faith it will be handled with aplomb.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    stepDADDY

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    we are all on the island.forever.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by angelopoulos

    If Nolan does Catwoman, it won't be like what we've seen before... With Wayne losing his love, I could see Nolan forcing Batman to fall in love with the girl behind Catwoman, forcing maybe even to kill her and then find out who she is, With the Riddler behind it all, Batman going nuts to expose the riddler... No matter what he does, it will most likely be awesome. Also, Catwoman would have some crazy porno gimp outfit and be totally disturbing, it wouldn't be like what we've seen before...

  • June 4, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Two-Face was pushed too early...

    by MR. MURDOCH

    as well. I wish they had stuck with their original plan and had Harvey get scarred at the end of Film 2, and have Two Face be more of a nemesis for Film 3.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    if only superman were so lucky

    by imagegod

    but ohhh no, we gotta have real estate lex over and over and over again... i hope nolan is going to fix that for the next supes film. <p> and as much as it sucks... Dent is very dead, jonathon nolan said it himself in an interview.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    It has to be The Riddler

    by Ray Gamma

    The movie could potentially be absolutely fantastic if they choose to go with The Riddler. </P> <P>The Nolan brothers have a very sophisticated, intelligent "weave" to their movies, which suggests they would be capable of turning the idea of a "riddle-writing bad-guy" into something very clever and rewarding for repeat viewings.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    SO Ras' remaining hench-ninjas...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...tossed a few ashes and bone fragments into the Lazarus Pit and "DING" out popped their boss, good as new? Naw... don't think Nolan's gonna go there.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Marion Cotillard for CATWOMAN

    by IAmLegolas

    she looks just like that image posted above, plus she's in Nolan's INCEPTION. GET IT DONE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    they can't go supernatural on the villian,

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    so croc, freeze and mr.mud(whatever)..won't be the antogonists.I'm sure it's The Riddler or the Penguin.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I just think Talia works much better...

    by MR. MURDOCH

    I think it brings things perfectly full circle...mysterious woman arrives in town seeking revenge on Brucey, perhaps initially through corporate means...through snooping she confirms that he's also "The Batman"...attacks him both ways. Meanwhile Batman is already distracted by some new psycho in town calling himself out by using "riddles." And Ra's shows up alive in the third act. That's how I would do it. But whatever...

  • June 4, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    If done right Catwoman would be good

    by billF

    They need to find just the right actress.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Christopher, Not Jonathan

    by Outlaw24

    It was an interview with and quote from Christopher Nolan, the director, not Jonathan Nolan, the writer.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it'll prolly just be Riddler and Penguin

    by sonnyfern

    Which is kinda lame. I'd love to see someone knew. ClayFace would be cool, they did him tottally right in the cartoon...then again they did EVERYTHING right in that cartoon.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    If the Joke is a no-go, we still got the Smoker and

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    the Midnight Toker.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I think we're most likely to get The Riddler...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...albeit a Riddler unlike any we've seen before. Maybe with Catwoman thrown in as well. At least it won't be Jim Carrey's full-retard Riddler. (Bet Carrey gets all pissy about it, too, just like Jack Nicholson did about Ledger's Joker.)

  • June 4, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Nolan won't do Penguin

    by MR. MURDOCH

    I'm pretty sure he's not interested in that character, either.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    CLAYFACE on BATMAN:ANIMATED SERIES =

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Badassery.The level of quality in most parts of that episode were amazing.I saw most, as it seemed as half was done by one studio, the other half by another.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    jonathon

    by imagegod

    i'm sure there was more than one interview... the one i heard was a non-british jonathan nolan. <p>as for Catwoman - i'd only give the nolans a chance to do this and make it cool... just never really liked the character.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Penguin can be done right

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    Make him an arms dealer with ties to the criminal underworld. He could lead a double life just like Batman/Bruce Wayne. Also he would have to be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    zombie rachel pieces!!!

    by alice133

    2face lives!!!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Talia

    by cousindave

  • June 4, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I think Nolan mentioned no Penguin, either

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    Something about he doesn't see how a little fat Englishman with a big nose wearing a tux and tails could fit into his Batman world.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Two things

    by Al Delvechio

    1 Zsasz was in Batman Begins - he was the defendant in court the first time you see scarecrow (not scarecrow yet, but his real name escapes me) 2 Remember in TDK when Bruce asked Lucious if the armor in his new suit would stop a dog and Lucious said it would work against cats? That's called foreshadowing. That and Rachel being dead should be more than enough to tell you who Nolan plans to have in the next movie

  • June 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    A wise choice

    by kafka07

    I want to see Joker on the big screen again someday. But I don't mind waiting. I'm eager to see some more villains though!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Yep, but he's been coy on Riddler and the Cat

    by MR. MURDOCH

    ...which probably means they're the ones... [SIGH]

  • June 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Bane!

    by TheDudeinLA

    and Talia.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Batman should fight...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...BP!

  • June 4, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    riddler all the way

    by thesmilingpsycho

    nolan could work wonders with riddler. i have a feeling that's who he already chose. they still have yet to show a badass riddler on screen

  • June 4, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Catwoman is inevitable

    by umbral_shadow_

    Think about it. Rachel is dead, Bats needs a new love interest. You can't do a Rachel character again, so enter Catwoman. But the Nolans will be the first to do Catwoman absolutely right. They'll give us a Catwoman we could never have imagined. And I agree the Riddler could/would be too similar to the Joker. Viggo Mortensen as Pumkinhead, anyone?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    penguin could maybe be

    by imagegod

    the figure who takes over the mob's role... since they're taken down, penguin steps in... more escalation? in taking down the mob, batman has open another can of worms. of course he shouldn't be the big baddy in the film, i'd reserve that for Riddler. penguin would be smaller potatoes.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    No surprise there.

    by CavalierGirl

    No way was Nolan gonna re-cast. But I'd actually like to see Catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Also, Nolan's no dummy...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ... He's going to use a main villain that is most well-known to the public at large... i.e. Riddler and Catwoman, there's two right there. Zasz, Killer Croc, Talia, Clayface, et al... ask the average person and get a blank stare.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    What about the Penguin?

    by DrGoodspeed

    Instead of having him literally be a penguin,(sorry devito.) Have him be a rival(evil) business man played by Philip Seymour Hoffman. That would absolutely rock.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Will Wayne Manor be back in this one?

    by RPLocke

    Or will Bruce be stuck in a tiny garage?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Doubt it will be Catwoman or Riddler either

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I predict the Nolan bros will want to go back to what they got to do in Batman Begins: present villains that have not appeared in the previous movies. TDK was obligatory fan service when it came to the villains they selected for it.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    RE: The Cat quote from TDK

    by MR. MURDOCH

    Another way to look at that...is that it's just a nod to fanboys...and that's all you're getting! TALIA fits ALL of the reasons to have CATWOMAN in the movie...and MUCH MORE character potential. After ALL the shit Batman's dealt with over the last two films, do you really think a CAT-BURGLER would feel like a threat to Bruce? Perhaps Nolan(s)/Goyer will COMBINE elements of TALIA into Catwoman, or vice versa...? A leather-clad ASSASSIN, perhaps?

  • June 4, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Of course, I disagree about Penguin...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...He could work as a amoral, scheming, evil little fuck. Just no circus henchmen, please. Riddler a al Hush, a schemer who's even smarter than Bats himself, could work as well. He's nothing like the Joker, really.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    DrGoodSpeed

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    That's what I was thinking too, he could be a corporate rival for Bruce Wayne which would add an interesting dynamic to the film and also lead a double life in the criminal underworld, sort of a shadowy figure. PSH would be perfect.

  • June 4, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles should play

    by darth_hideous

    the penguin

  • June 4, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I want the BATCAVE back, as well

    by MR. MURDOCH

    Make it happen!!

  • June 4, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Just say NO to CATWOMAN. She's boring.

    by StrokerX

    Seriously. Just give me ManBat...YES MANBAT...AND Clayface. OOoooo they're not realistic enough for - STUFF IT. That's a Batman movie I'd want to see.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Herc...

    by Terrmaster

    Who do you picture for Selina? I say Eva Green, and let her keep the accent.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Me, too, StrokerX

    by MR. MURDOCH

    But we won't see it while Nolan's at the helm.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr. for Riddler

    by RPLocke

    He'd be perfect.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    No Penguin but what about Oswald Cobblepot?

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I could see Oswald (and played by Philip Seymour Hoffman) playing Oswald, minus the wah-wah affectations, who battles Bruce Wayne in the board room to try to take over Wayne Industries. (In some versions of the Batman DC comics canon, Thomas Wayne and Oswald's father were Gotham high society rivals.) I don't see such a realistic version of the Penguin being the major villain in the next movie, but more of a rival/problem for Bruce (not his alter-ego Batman) that he has to deal with, at the same time. Oswald Cobblepot could own a lounge in the seedy part of Gotham that has ties to the Gotham mobs. Essentially, this version of the Penguin could play a part similar to Rutger Hauer's in Batman Begins.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    High five murdoch

    by StrokerX

    One day my friend...one day.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Penguin

    by Terrmaster

    Could easily just be a mob boss. Played by Paul Fucking Giamatti. "DO WE JUST SUCK, OR IS HE REALLY THAT GOOD!?"

  • June 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Batcave

    by imagegod

    will be back for sure - i bet they start the film with it in full swing and awesome as hell. <p> penguin thing could work, but making him a rival of Wayne is a little too Justin Hammer Iron Man 2. skip that for sure. penguin as a little businessman prick who Bats has to take down for information would be cool. not everyone has to rival the hero... just the main villain, and penguin is no main villain, he's a second stringer.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    PATRICK STEWART AS EGGHEAD!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    YES!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Riddler Needs to Be Reimagined

    by TreyStoller

    I don't think we'll ever see a better take on the Penguin as we got in 'Batman Returns.' The same could almost be said for Catwoman. Though flawed, the second Burton film holds up better than the original 'Batman.' It has a more timeless feel to it. I honestly can't see anyone topping Danny DeVito's Penguin. TDK's Two-Face was good enough to make everyone forget Tommy Lee Jones' campy incarnation in the forgettable 'Batman Forever.' Now we just need to see the Riddler done right.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I want a scary Batman movie.

    by StrokerX

    Make it scary Nolan.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Batman returns, MASTERPIECE

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    and I love the Joker, but Ill rather watch Returns before Batman... just the ballroom scene when Bruce and Selena found out about each other was great...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Burton > Nolan

    by Dolphisgod

    Go back and watch the first Burton Movie. Go back and watch the second Burton Movie. What do they feel like. Batman movies. The Nolan's feel like The Batman Identity and The Batman Ultimatum. The Dark Knight as a film starts off great but falls on it's face by the third act. I know that's not a popular opinion, but killing off Two Face, the Bat Radar omnipotence, castrating of the Joker at the end. Weak weak weak

  • June 4, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    "Catwoman done right"

    by blackwood

    Erm. As much as it's unpopular to say, my favourite Batman film is still BATMAN RETURNS and a big, big part of that is Michelle Pfeiffer's incredible work as Catwoman.<p>I'd love to see Nolan's Catwoman -- I actually think it's the perfect character to bring in.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Trey and yourSTEPDADDY

    by MR. MURDOCH

    BATMAN RETURNS RULES!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Box_Bruceleitner

    by DrGoodspeed

    I'm glad someone else is on the same page. A corporate rival who can hurt batman financially and is also hiring/arming/funding all the bad guys now that the joker is gone. Is it the Riddler that figures out Batman's identity in the comics?

  • June 4, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    batman 3:THE RISE OF DENT

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    I pray the use "rise of" in the title.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Where did that Catwoman image come from?

    by Yn Jouyll

  • June 4, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    and it must be...

    by DrGoodspeed

    PSH

  • June 4, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    idrinkyourmilkshake...

    by biscuithead

    ...with you 100% on animated Clayface. Character translated so well to cell animation.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    LOST's Numbers... LOL

    by MrFloppy

  • June 4, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    riddler riddler riddler riddler

    by thesmilingpsycho

    everybody knows it's going to be the riddler. please stop these worthless discussions

  • June 4, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    YES. Bring on Catwoman!

    by ebonic_plague

    And can we finally have a Catwoman who is NOT supernatural? Just a highly trained thief/fighter, who can actually bring some levity to the dour happenings in Gotham. Besides Joker, Catwoman is Batman's best known and most iconic foil (not really a nemesis), and playing with the idea of their cooperation/competition should make for a good movie. I'm SO GLAD they're not going to go with some obscure fanboy pick like Bane or Black Mask. Catwoman is a PERFECT fit for the Gotham Nolan has created, I can't wait to see how they handle her onscreen. <p> And since it's not possible to clone one of Adam Hughes drawings for the role (which he says is a mixture of Audrey Hepburn and Carrie Ann Moss, among other influences), can we possibly get Emily Blunt? Either way, great news! Shame about Joker though, but I get why not.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Official Synopsis

    by TreyStoller

    Director Christopher Nolan (“Inception”) concludes his Batman saga with the much-anticipated follow-up to “The Dark Knight,” the third biggest film of all-time: “Shadow of the Dark Knight” With the Joker and half the mob locked up and somewhat of a semblance of order returning to the streets of Gotham, Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale, “American Psycho") tries to shed his billionaire playboy image by using the company his parents built to do good for Gotham City (Chicago, “Chicago”). The police actively seek Batman as a suspect in several unsolved murders but with no sightings in nearly a year, dwindling public interest, and sympathetic Commissioner James Gordon (Gary Oldman, “Batman Begins,” “The Dark Knight”) calling the shots, the case has gone cold. Until an outspoken blowhard and ambitious mayoral candidate by the name of Oswald Cobblepot (Stephen Tobolowsky, “Memento”) incites public outrage and renewed interest, and pledges that when elected he will use a privately-funded security firm to bring Batman (Christian Bale, “Newsies,” “Terminator 4”) to swift justice. But Cobblepot has his own agenda and secretly charges a perfectionist private detective (Leonardo DiCaprio, “Inception”), who goes by the pseudonym Edward Nygma, the task of uncovering Batman’s true identity. Unbeknown to his client, Nygma suffers from debilitating and self-destructive obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and may very well be in the employ of another! Bruce Wayne suspects Cobblepot of having ties to criminal organizations and dons the cowl again so that Batman can conduct his own investigation, against the better judgment of his only two confidants: his trusty butler Alfred (Michael Caine, “Inception”), who finds the recently rebuilt Wayne Manor to be quite drafty and rather lonely, and longtime family friend Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman, “Lean on Me,” a car accident in Mississippi). Batman isn’t scaling from rooftops for long when he crosses paths—and finds solace—with a spry and seductive petty cat burglar (Marion Cotillard, “Inception,” France) who leads her own double life. Fox, the CEO of Wayne Enterprises, is mired in a scandal of his own after his secretary (Scarlett Johansson, “The Prestige”) goes missing and fowl play is suspected. Though all evidence points to him as the primary suspect, Fox suspects he’s been setup by creepy IT guy and avid hat enthusiast Jervis Tetch (Andy Serkis, “The Prestige”). While trying to clear his name, Fox uncovers an insidious plot involving a disgraced, deformed actor (Christian Bale—in a dual role!) who has been surgically altered to look like Bruce Wayne. Meanwhile in Arkham Asylum, the terrorist known only as the Joker (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, “Inception,” replacing his “Ten Things I Hate About You” costar and late Academy Award® winner Heath Ledger, “The Dark Knight,” Mary-Kate Olsen) rots in a solitary cell, confined in a straightjacket, suffering nightly physical abuse from a sadistic and oppressive male nurse (Javier Bardem, “No Country for Old Man”) and a deformed former crocodile wrestler turned burly guard (Mickey Rourke, “Iron Man 2”). Striped of his white “war paint,” his head shaved, and his mouth scars stretched even further, the Joker begins to exhibit convincing remorseful tendencies that go ignored by the asylum staff, but lure the empathy of a brilliant, over-achieving psychiatry student (Ellen Page, “Inception,” “Juno”) who quickly develops a deep fascination and perverse infatuation with her subject—a seductive secret she keeps even from her best friend and roommate (Piper Perabo, “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle”), an environmental science student and environmental activist who gets involved with environmental extremists. All of this comes together somehow, eventually culminating in a thrilling 90-minute climax that will change Bruce Wayne and Gotham City a little. WARNER BROS. PICTURES Presents, in Association with LEGENDARY PICTURES, a SYNCOPY Production of A CHRISTOPHER NOLAN Film: SHADOW OF THE DARK KNIGHT. Christian Bale, Michael Cane, Leonardo DiCaprio, Gary Oldman, Marion Cotillard, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Stephen Tobolowsky, Ellen Page, Javier Bardem, Mickey Rourke, Piper Perabo, Scarlett Johansson, Andy Serkis, with Morgan Freeman and Eugene Levy. color/340 minutes.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    ?

    by thesmilingpsycho

    riddler

  • June 4, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Gordon-Levitt will play a make-up-less Joker from Arkham.

    by MrFloppy

    Marion Cotillard will play Catwoman, and the main Villain will be Riddler ala Zodiac, framing Batman and forcing him out of retirement.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    GOTHAM CITY

    by zooch

    Let's face it, you can't top the Joker, but you can do something entirely different that hasn't been done before!<br><br>The story should be less about a singular villian, and more of an EPIC telling of the innerworkings of Gotham City's Police and Crime syndicates. You could do multiple villians from the Rogue gallery and have them all be tied together and have Batman and Gordon going around trying to bring them down one by one. Like The Wire meets The Dark Knight!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Scarface

    by trevoasisr

    Scarface is an under-rated character. I think he works perfectly as a comic book villain. I would love to see him effectively depicted on screen. I really don't know how that could be done, but I would love to see it. I doubt he could be the main villain, but he could show up briefly as kind of a comic relief type character, but with a menacing side.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    bane could work too

    by thesmilingpsycho

    but not as a main villian. he could just be like a steroid pumper

  • June 4, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Prediction: This will Nolan's last Bat movie

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Same thing for Christian Bale. After this, Nolan will consider his trilogy complete and decide to move on. I'm basing this from the way he worded his reply as to where he sees the third movie taking the characters.<p><p>So with this in mind (that this will be the "final chapter" for the Bat-Nolanvers): <p><p>There won't be a Batcave. The Bat bunker in TDK was the Nolans' way of up-ending our expectation that there was going to be a Batcave in the movie.<p><p>Wayne Manor won't be rebuilt. Again, it's because we *expect* this in Movie #3, but I have a feeling the Nolans will defy our expectations again. Instead, I could see them having it where Bruce donates the land to be a pubic park or sanctuary of some kind.<p><p>Alfred will have a much larger role -- and he will die. Yes, it's because killing off Alfred would defy our expectations about what we feel like are the "rules" of the Batman mythos, and it ties in with the Nolans closing out the final chapter of their interpretation of Batman.<p><p>The villain(s): It won't be any character who has already appeared in the first four Batman movies. Again, it's because we are expecting this to happen, but I really think that the Nolans want to do again what they go to do in Batman Begins -- introduce villains who have never appeared in the first four Bat movies. Scarecrow will appear again, though in a minor capacity, haunting Batman/Bruce about his psyche. But who will be the major villain(s)? My guess is it could be Black Mask, along with Deadshot (who would be a relatively minor role) and Talia (to fulfill the femme fatale love interest for Bruce, and to also tie things back to Batman Begins).<p><p>The Batmobile. I don't think there will be another Batmobile nor will the Batpod reappear. The studio will want another Bat vehicle (in order to license out toys) but the Nolans may be resisting this. I have no idea what else could serve as a realistic, gritty means of transport for Batman, though.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    A good female villain

    by TheDrow

    Either Talia or maybe Catwoman done very darkly. But personally I'd go for Talia, she's always been a fav of mine. The Riddler would be too close to Joker no matter how you handle him. And most of the other "classic" characters bring with them too much of a cheese factor. Keep it grounded in dark but somewhat believable and revenge is always great for a plot.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    yes zooch!

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    my problem wit superhero movies, no minor villain to get rid of in the first five minutes like in Lethal Weapon... we could have Batman stop firefly, boom, credits roll, boom boom...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    ebonic

    by MR. MURDOCH

    You said: "I'm SO GLAD they're not going to go with some obscure fanboy pick like Bane or Black Mask" How do you know? NOTHING's been announced yet!!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    SAM ROCKWELL as The Riddler...

    by DavidDunn

    I do think that would be bad ass. Don't know if it will actually happen since he is on the Iron Man franchise now...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Official Synopsis (formatted)

    by TreyStoller

    Director Christopher Nolan (“Inception”) concludes his Batman saga with the much-anticipated follow-up to “The Dark Knight,” the third biggest film of all-time: “Shadow of the Dark Knight” <br><br> With the Joker and half the mob locked up and somewhat of a semblance of order returning to the streets of Gotham, Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale, “American Psycho") tries to shed his billionaire playboy image by using the company his parents built to do good for Gotham City (Chicago, “Chicago”). <br><br> The police actively seek Batman as a suspect in several unsolved murders but with no sightings in nearly a year, dwindling public interest, and sympathetic Commissioner James Gordon (Gary Oldman, “Batman Begins,” “The Dark Knight”) calling the shots, the case has gone cold. Until an outspoken blowhard and ambitious mayoral candidate by the name of Oswald Cobblepot (Stephen Tobolowsky, “Memento”) incites public outrage and renewed interest, and pledges that when elected he will use a privately-funded security firm to bring Batman (Christian Bale, “Newsies,” “Terminator 4”) to swift justice. <br><br> But Cobblepot has his own agenda and secretly charges a perfectionist private detective (Leonardo DiCaprio, “Inception”), who goes by the pseudonym Edward Nygma, the task of uncovering Batman’s true identity. Unbeknown to his client, Nygma suffers from debilitating and self-destructive obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and may very well be in the employ of another! <br><br> Bruce Wayne suspects Cobblepot of having ties to criminal organizations and dons the cowl again so that Batman can conduct his own investigation, against the better judgment of his only two confidants: his trusty butler Alfred (Michael Caine, “Inception”), who finds the recently rebuilt Wayne Manor to be quite drafty and rather lonely, and longtime family friend Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman, “Lean on Me,” a car accident in Mississippi). <br><br> Batman isn’t scaling from rooftops for long when he crosses paths—and finds solace—with a spry and seductive petty cat burglar (Marion Cotillard, “Inception,” France) who leads her own double life. <br><br> Fox, the CEO of Wayne Enterprises, is mired in a scandal of his own after his secretary (Scarlett Johansson, “The Prestige”) goes missing and fowl play is suspected. Though all evidence points to him as the primary suspect, Fox suspects he’s been setup by creepy IT guy and avid hat enthusiast Jervis Tetch (Andy Serkis, “The Prestige”). While trying to clear his name, Fox uncovers an insidious plot involving a disgraced, deformed actor (Christian Bale—in a dual role!) who has been surgically altered to look like Bruce Wayne. <br><br> Meanwhile in Arkham Asylum, the terrorist known only as the Joker (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, “Inception,” replacing his “Ten Things I Hate About You” costar and late Academy Award® winner Heath Ledger, “The Dark Knight,” Mary-Kate Olsen) rots in a solitary cell, confined in a straightjacket, suffering nightly physical abuse from a sadistic and oppressive male nurse (Javier Bardem, “No Country for Old Man”) and a deformed former crocodile wrestler turned burly guard (Mickey Rourke, “Iron Man 2”). Striped of his white “war paint,” his head shaved, and his mouth scars stretched even further, the Joker begins to exhibit convincing remorseful tendencies that go ignored by the asylum staff, but lure the empathy of a brilliant, over-achieving psychiatry student (Ellen Page, “Inception,” “Juno”) who quickly develops a deep fascination and perverse infatuation with her subject—a seductive secret she keeps even from her best friend and roommate (Piper Perabo, “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle”), an environmental science student and environmental activist who gets involved with environmental extremists. <br><br> All of this comes together somehow, eventually culminating in a thrilling 90-minute climax that will change Bruce Wayne and Gotham City a little. <br><br> WARNER BROS. PICTURES Presents, in Association with LEGENDARY PICTURES, a SYNCOPY Production of A CHRISTOPHER NOLAN Film: SHADOW OF THE DARK KNIGHT. Christian Bale, Michael Cane, Leonardo DiCaprio, Gary Oldman, Marion Cotillard, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Stephen Tobolowsky, Ellen Page, Javier Bardem, Mickey Rourke, Piper Perabo, Scarlett Johansson, Andy Serkis, with Morgan Freeman and Eugene Levy. <br><br> color/340 minutes.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    if DC WAS SMART...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Batman would fight a non-Batman villain in the 1st few minutes to establish DC's (whack ass) universe... have em fight Mirror Man or whatever loser DC has (to me, DC SUCKS cept for Batman's universe in it)

  • June 4, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Another note.

    by TheDrow

    And to agree with @Jim Jam Bongs, Talia also ties you back around to Begins and rounds things out nicely.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    lol Eugene Levy?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • June 4, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Catwoman isn't a true villain though..

    by Saracen1

    Has any one else here read any Batman, much less the Miller/Loeb series on which the new franchise is based?

  • June 4, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover

    by BetaRayBill07

    Sorry Joe Gordon Leavitt 3rd Rock kid isn't right. Glover's the only one who could come close to Ledger's performance.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    The Scout Master!

    by BetaRayBill07

    Oh sorry...Radioactive Man nemesis.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    This is the perfect tone, and what i want to see:

    by Saracen1

    http://tinyurl.com/6dnzbf

  • June 4, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    TheDrow

    by MR. MURDOCH

    YES.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Artie Lange make his heroic return as King Tut.

    by AzulTool

  • June 4, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Will morgan Freeman and Michael Caine be back?

    by RPLocke

    Those two aren't getting any younger!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!

    by follyway

    I'm sorry but this is nonesense. Of course Ledger did a fantastic job and deserved all the praise and accolades he received but the actor died not the character. If you will recast a nothing part like Rachel Dawes rather than write her out off screen you are really going to fuck with continuity by ignoring Batman's true nemesis? I remember before Batman Begins even came out Nolan said the single biggest mistake in the Burton films was killing off the Joker. Even before Dark Knight it was obvious Nolan felt you couldn't have Batman without the Joker. Marshall still plays football, Dumbledore was recast and Spielberg made AI. Heath Ledger showed courage in his performance and he certainly wasn't afraid to create a whole new icon where the great Jack Nicholson had been and he wouldn't have backed down from continuing on someone elses work. They should try to let their balls drop and be men like Heath would've.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Why can't Talia BECOME the new Catwoman?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Hey, given the way Nolan is reinventing and reinterpreting the Bat universe anyway, there's no reason he couldn't throw a real curve ball and meld two characters into one. He could sort of go for a two-fer on that one.<p>But if I had to guess, the villain will be the Riddler since he would make for an "intelligent" villain, which I'm guessing is what Nolan wants, since he would also fit with the whole realistic tone that Nolan has established and maintained in the films so far...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    In other news… water is wet

    by SifoDyasJr.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Peopole who say overrated

    by schadenfreudian

    Are overrated. <br> Oh... damn.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Batman:Hush

    by Dijjot

    was ok as a comic, but it did excel at putting in Batman's rogue gallery into play from all angles. It seems convoluted enough for Nolan, and I'd like to see one of the newer comics get the big screen treatment.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Ventriloquist and Scarface

    by TreyStoller

    I'd like to see Will Arnett as Ventriloquist and Franklin as Scarface.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I bet the batcave will be back, new and greatly improved

    by jimmy_009

    It will be awesome to see Nolan's full-on, high tech bat cave. There's no way they wouldn't put that in. I love how they've handled that part of the story, it's a great progression.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Catwoman and Black Mask

    by LethargicJ

    For some reason I've had a dream for many years of Mandy Patinkin playing Black Mask. The original gangster-ish Black Mask, not this new weird one.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Let the dream die, Follyway.

    by schadenfreudian

    There are 7 stages on the Kubler-Ross cycle. Sounds like you're only on stage 2.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Catwoman would fill two voids left in the wake of TDK

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

    that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Batman in the 3rd

    by imagegod

    and final film will now be a master, the only villain that could stand a chance would be the Riddler and his vast intellect. it's pretty obvious i think.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Are you people joking with the Ventriloquist talk?

    by jimmy_009

    I mean, it's hard to guess tone over the Internet so I just assume you are all being sarcastic when you say you'd like to see the Ventriloquist in a Chris Nolan Batman movie. Seriously. That would be jumping like ten sharks at once.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    You guys are thinking too small

    by zooch

    This is most likely the LAST film in the Nolan series so we NEED something BIGGER than just Batman vs. Riddler. We want an EPIC story that incorporates all of Gotham City from all angles, even more so than what TDK did.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I'll bet The Joker at least makes a cameo

    by braddavery

    No way they don't milk that. Even a shot of him locked up or what not. They might even be able to use some footage of Ledger from material from The Dark Knight.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The theme of Batman 3: Final battle for the soul of Gotham

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    These Bat-Nolanverse movies have been rather heavy-handed and melodramatic in terms of their themes. So I would say the next movie will be over the final battle between Batman and the mob for the soul of Gotham.<p><p>And this is why I say Black Mask would work: He would serve as the Gotham mob's own "masked freak" who leads them. (The one setback is maybe WB could be concerned that Black Mask may appear to the public to be too similar to Captain America's Red Skull.) Thus, the title for the movie could be something like "Batman Triumphant" (a title that has been tossed around for various Batman movie sequels in the past, and which of course comes from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns).

  • June 4, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Harley Quinn

    by TreyStoller

    They could still do Harley Quinn. She might work better out of the Joker's shadow. Allow her to spread her wings. Also, they should give her wings. And not the Tampax variety.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Russell Crow as the Archer

    by FlyingToupee

    "Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? Gadzooks and forsooth, Sheriff of Gothamum!"

  • June 4, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Charlize Theron as Catwoman

    by Datascream

    she has the ability to be sexy and twisted at the same time. And for christs sakes use the all black leather costume. you don't need to show skin for it to be sexy.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    That's a hot Catwoman. Makes me want to jack my dick off.

    by AzulTool

    I'm going to do it. Right here at my desk. NSFW

  • June 4, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    The joker has been done to his fullest...

    by Powerring

    time to move on to another villain..and not the fucking penguin. Bring on killer croc, or Bane done correctly.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Here's an idea

    by dcsmith

    I think this might work for the sequel: http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n

  • June 4, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Also why this is the last Nolan flick: WB wants to free up Bats

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    So they can use him in a possible Justice League movie -- that's my guess. They want to free up the character, and allow the more fantastical elements of the Batman comic canon to be used. Nolan's nitty-gritty "realistic" interpretation will probably end after this movie.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Jim Jam: this film will be called:

    by MR. MURDOCH

    GOTHAM. That's my bet.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Killer Croc, Bane, Manbat, Manbearpig...

    by TreyStoller

    These are all villains we will never see in a Nolan film.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    "This is most likely the LAST film in the Nolan"

    by LethargicJ

    Nolan specifically stated in the article that this is the final movie and the end of the story. So it's more than most likely.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Here's My Thoughts

    by @gape

    I think it has to be Riddler. I also think Anthony Michael Hall needs to play him, as repised from the Dark Knight. Continue the escalation theme.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    "Also why this is the last Nolan flick"

    by LethargicJ

    This is the last Nolan flick because it's a trilogy. From day one they said it was a trilogy. They're not pushing Nolan out so they can use Batman in a JL movie. If Nolan wanted to make 30 Batman movies they'd let him as long as they keep making a billion dollars.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    You forgot to mention...

    by benson111

    He hasnt signed to direct yet, and that the story is already done, as in this will be the last movie from Nolan about Batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Title will be some iconic sentence from the 1940s

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    comics that we have to pick out.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    aren't we reading this wrong?

    by oisin5199

    I thought Nolan was saying, 'No, I won't talk about it.' Not no, there's no Joker. I think we're misreading this.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Elvira?

    by Those_arent_pillows

  • June 4, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    You're forgetting EGGHEAD!!!!

    by Super Rabbi

    Get Vincent Price, dig him outta his grave, but we need an Egghead!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Think Hit Girl

    by Hercules

    at 17.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    John Malkovich as Vulture Anne Hathaway as Vulturess

    by FlyingToupee

    After Spidey disappears from the scene, the aging Vulture and his sexy daughter wing it to Gotham. There they release all of the inmates at Arkham,including King Tut(John Goodman), Marcia Queen of Diamonds(Diane Keaton), Shame(Steve Martin) and the Puzzler(Pierce Brosnan). Spidey returns, and travels to Gotham/Chicago to team up with Batman and his new sidekick, BatMite(Rodney Allen Rippey). They knock down their doors and shed the light of the law on that nest of vipers. Together the make the city safe for decent people.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt!!!

    by FleshMachine

    he could do it...imitate heath a bit but make it his own. i totally thought thats what might happen sine hes in the nolan flick

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    "And this is why I say Black Mask would work"

    by LethargicJ

    Also, don't forget about Black Mask's origin. He's basically the evil Bruce Wayne. He's what Bruce would've become had his parents not been good people. They were childhood friends who both group up and inherited their companies. The story isn't just Batman vs Black Mask, it's also Bruce Wayne vs Roman Sionis. And if Catwoman is thrown in as well, they could incorporate a version of the storyline from the comics where Catwoman killed Black Mask. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_(comics)

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    thats sucks. Joker should return

    by FleshMachine

    seriously

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Title will be That Crazy Batman

    by RPLocke

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    CAN'T BELIEVE NOBODY'S MENTIONED EGGHEAD!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    PATRICK STEWART!!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    NORM MACDONALD = RIDDLER

    by DeweyOxburger

    this would be GENIUS.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Oisin, here's a quote:

    by schadenfreudian

    -When asked on whether Nolan would re-cast The Joker for Batman 3, he ‘emphatically and without hesitation’ answers “NO!”. How can we be misreading that? source: http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/batman-3-the-joker-will-not-feature-says-chris-nolan.php#ixzz0pvXei8RZ

  • June 4, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Norm Macdonald as Riddler

    by Hercules

    is the ONLY way I'd sign off on Riddler.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    joeseph gordon levitt

    by tranpkp1

    i would agree to no return of joker but I cant argue much with this either. I think riddler could work if like the animated stuff but really hes kinda just like the Joker anyhow...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    joeseph gordon levitt

    by tranpkp1

    my bad forgot linky http://flicksided.com/2010/05/casting-couch-joseph-gordon-levitt-as-the-joker-in-batman-3/

  • June 4, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    2 face interesting? he sucked!!!

    by FleshMachine

    his whole change of heart was total bullshit. from nicest guy to potential child killer?? because a chick died? their had no real love or chemistry?? BULLSHIT!

  • June 4, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Title has to refer to Batman; it's about him, not Gotham

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So I can't imagine why this would be named GOTHAM (which also is the nickname for NYC). The first two titles specifically refer to Batman. The third title should as well. And I also agree the third will focus on a final battle between Bats and the mob for the soul/heart/spirit/whatever of Gotham. It sounds heavy-handed but fits with the heavy-handedness we've seen in BB and TDK.<p><p>Scarecrow will definitely be in the third, to continue the remark he made to Batman in the opening of TDK. The Nolans will continue with that thread about Bats'/Bruce's state of mind. Here's a possible plot point: I could see Batman needing Scarecrow's help in some way in the finale epic battle (for the SOUL OF GOTHAM!) even though there may be a price to pay for it.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    "aren't we reading this wrong?"

    by LethargicJ

    Nolan was asked if the Joker would come back. His response was "No". How can that be read wrong?

  • June 4, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    no fucking penguin or catwoman!!

    by FleshMachine

    god that would be lame...scarecrow almost was too much...joker felt like a real madman. not a costumed baffoon

  • June 4, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Sam rockwell would be great!!!

    by antimcgyver

    whoever said that was a genuis! as long as its a little more matchstick men than Iron Man 2. I would also see Dylan Baker in the role. Just creepy enough...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    "Catwoman done right."

    by fiester

    I don't think it exists, not even in the comics. No, it has to be a psycho genius Riddler as the main baddie. That's the only way to go.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I vote for Michael Emerson as a serial-killing Riddler.

    by Royston Lodge

    It's been said before, but I'll say it again.<p> Michael Emerson as a Se7en-esque serial-killing Riddler would kick ass.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Tom Hanks as The Riddler

    by RPLocke

    He would be hilarious.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    JOKER NEEDS TO RETURN

    by FleshMachine

    how can he not after the ending of DK??

  • June 4, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    "his whole change of heart was total bullshit"

    by FlyingToupee

    The explosion and damage to his head left him brain damaged. He went nuts. Simple as that.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    no fucking riddler either

    by FleshMachine

    no more over the top goofy villians....joker was the only one that felt sort of grounded in some sort of insane psychopathic reality

  • June 4, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    FlyingToupee

    by FleshMachine

    bullshit. there was no talk of brain damage, or evidence of it, his wounds were superficial flesh wounds. it made NO sense. it was a contrived plot device. simple as that.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Catwoman or Riddler

    by Fletch Gannon

    Done right these characters would be interesting to see. I'm not a big Riddler fan but I think that Nolan has a good track record and he could make Nygma a worth adversary to Batman. By the way I think half of those posting are huffing paint before they post. I love how some are throwing out Man-Bat, the Black Mask, or Talia as worthy adversaries for Batman. Yeah that's a great leap forward...we go from the Joker/Two-Face combo to the Black Mask. These are the same people that were lamenting Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    wishlist:

    by BLEST

    Edward Norton as the Riddler (main Villian), Kate Beckinsale as Selina Kyle/Catwoman (love interest/side villian/side kick), Paul Giamatti as the Business man/mob ties Cobblepot who hires Nygma and is killed by him, return of Liam Neeson in the third act, taken out by Bats with help from catwoman. <p>Kill Lucious, have a killer batcave, and ends with Bats in proper form as Gotham's savior. <p>also, riddler will literally destroy the whole city with some crazy plot, that's the main tension of the film...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    The "price" Batman could pay

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The price could be his own sanity. This sounds melodramatic, but, again, fits with the heavy-handedness of the first two movies so far, and it also runs alongside the notion that Batman and his villains are yin and yang. If as someone posted above, Alfred dies, this could also start to fracture Bruce's sanity. Imagine all of this angst and personal loss building up for Bruce as he is about to embark in the Epic Final Battle for the soul of Gotham, perhaps his last as the caped crusader and maybe the end of his own life.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    DK overrated..HEAT much better film

    by FleshMachine

    the joker scenes were fucking great..it made the film...the 2 face stuff, the filler....not so great. i think the first one was better in many ways. take way joker in DK and you dont have much.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    bullshit. there was no talk of brain damage, or evidence of it,

    by FlyingToupee

    Take a look at the wounds again. Take a look at his head. Take a look at the x-rays hanging in his hospital room. Take a look at the scene where his face is blown away. And then return here and say they were "superficial flesh wounds". I, mean come on, this is Nolan, not Brett Ratner or friggin' Schumacher.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Stupid decision, Nolan's

    by Nivek666

    Fan's can't get enough of the Joker, and if you get Joseph Gordan Levitt recast in the part, it can be just as successful as the last one. But, I figure these guys are done after this one, so they may mention the character, but they will probably have the Riddler, Catwoman, or maybe even have Ra's show up with Talia...

  • June 4, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    eh as long as the Joker's presence

    by GhostDad

    is in the movie, he doesn't need to be on the screen. Joker was the first costumed villian, so I'd like to see it played as he started the trend for everyone else. Maybe Riddler can be a Joker copycat at first and end up become even more ruthless.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Final battle between Batman and the Mob?

    by Fletch Gannon

    The mob has already been destroyed...the Joker made sure of that! All the major bosses are either locked up or were killed. He also burned up the rest of their money. Now Gotham is open to all of the freaks.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Malkovitch for Riddler.

    by fiester

    You heard it here first.

  • June 4, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    If Heath were alive the joker WOULD BE in

    by Sailor Rip

    Batman 3. Bullshit on not including a character because some people think the last actor to play him was the definitive portrayal and don't want to taint his legacy by having another actor tackle the role. <p> Bull. Shit. The Joker character is bigger than Heath's performance. So now we have to wait another twenty years until the re-reboot to see Batman against his arch foe again? <p> That's why he was left alive at the end of The Dark Khight, so he could never appear again? <p> Do any of you really think if Heath were alive and said "Chris, I want the Joker to have at least a cameo in the next Batman" he would have been turned down?

  • June 4, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    NO JOKER

    by jimmy_009

    It's done. Nolan is wisely using the villains to shed light on Bruce Wayne/Batman himself. Why would he reuse the same villain and say the same things? He would just be repeating himself. Quit calling for more Joker, it's dumb and pointless.

  • June 4, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Malkovich for Riddler=works for me

    by FlyingToupee

  • June 4, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Catwoman can work very well.

    by MyScreenplayWasRejected

    I don't know what you guys are talking about. She would make a good character for the Nolanverse. Her backstory and character are pretty realistic as it is.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordan Levitt?????

    by Fletch Gannon

    What's with the fanboy love for this guy? The 3rd Rock kid? Yeah cast him as the Joker he did so with with the villian in G.I. JOE. Honestly I think they should cast him.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Agreed jimmy_009

    by Fletch Gannon

    Agreed!

  • June 4, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Riddler needs Burt Ward

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    He was the one that solved the riddles, Adam West just said 'That's right Boy Wonder!' and acted like he knew the answer all along. For old Brits, The Riddler should be played by Ted Rogers off 3-2-1. Not even the Dynamic Duo could've worked out those 'clues.'

  • June 4, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Do CATWOMAN as a TRANNY!!!!

    by 3D-Man

    Now THAT would be an update!!! Bats would have no qualms kicking Catwoman's ass. Because, like, it's a dude.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Please stop the hyberbole

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Was Ledger's Jokey ONE of the best versions of the character ever? Most definitely. Is it THE best? Who's to say. Nicholson's Joker is still fanfuckingtastic as a film performance.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    In the script.......

    by connor187

    the Penguin plays quite a large role. The main difference being that Oswald owns a trendy/of the moment brand/company not to dissimilar to Apple. The Penguin brand, a corporation hell bent with forceful domination over rival corporate markets, ala Microsoft. The Riddler enters the story early on, with The Batman lying low The Riddler

  • June 4, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I want Robin

    by Lone Fox

    I don't care how many tantrums Bale throws. Kick-Ass showed us how.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    connor187

    by RPLocke

    But they did that already in Batman Forever, when the Riddler had mind reader invention that people put on their TVs.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by chf.brodie bruce

    Oh thank God. I thought I was going crazy. Every time I would tell my wife or friends that JGL would be an excellent replacement for Heath Ledger as the Joker they just stare at me "you mean the kid from 3rd rock?" they ask. I used to feel the same way but the more he matures as an actor he seems to almost be channeling Heath Ledger. Everything I see him in now reminds me of Heath and it is almost distracting. If they put him in the joker makeup (or even sans makeup) and have him sitting in a dark cell at Arkham it would be perfect. Just a quick scene would be all it takes to establish him for a (possible??) fourth film. I also agree with Mr. Murdock regarding Talia Al-Ghul although I would have it end on more of a cliffhanger where Bruce doesn't really know who she is (different last name or such) and she doesn't know he is Batman. They are just two people in love and then at the end of the movie have her say something like "Bruce I'd like you to meet my father" Bruce turns extends his hand and looks right into the eyes of Ra's Al Ghul. "Hello Bruce, nice to finally meet you" cue music, fade to black, etc. Just my two cents

  • June 4, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    ADAM HUGHES

    by louisse

    How about you give the artist some credit for the picture you just posted.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Riddler/Talia Al Ghul

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    At the end of TDK, the police were hunting Bats. Eddie Nigma works as a consultant to the police on the Batman case, all while a new criminal called the Riddler is terrorizing Gotham. Come to find out they're the same person and his strings are being pulled by a foreign woman with a mysterious past. Turns out, she's Talia Al Ghul, and is in Gotham to draw out Bats and then kill him as revenge for the death of her father, Ras Al Ghul. During the course of the film, she slowly begins to fall for the man and the mind behind the cowl. <p>That's my idea for the trilogy ender. As much as I'd love a new Catwoman, both Michelle Pfeiffer and Julie Newmar have given us sexy, sultry takes on her, and I'd be afraid we'd either get someone like Angelina Jolie (who more resembles Skeletor than Selena Kyle nowadays) or worse yet, Kristen "I've been raped by my fame" Stewart or some shit like that. I'd much rather see the woman who gave birth to Bruce Wayne's child thrown in. The dynamic that existed in the comics between Bats and Ras and Talia Al Ghul would be much more interesting to see on screen. <p>As for Riddler, please give us a more murderous take and not another Frank Gorshin impersonation like Jim Carrey gave us. And NOT Johnny Depp or Robert Downey Jr. While I absolutely love the work of both actors, Depp is overexposed lately and RDJ is getting dangerously close to the same thing. So please not them!

  • June 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Catwoman would fill two voids left in the wake of TDK

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

    that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Catwoman would fill two voids left in the wake of TDK

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

    that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Before we Crucify the Penguin..

    by ChocolateJesusMan

    I say the Penguin would work as a great villian..just make him less of a Goofball with an umbrella and more like "Clarence Boddiker from Robocop

  • June 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Anarky would suit nolans trilogy.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarky

  • June 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    And Nicholson is still the better Joker.

    by Sailor Rip

    "Oh but Heath was about anarchy." Yeah? He killed some criminals, burnt their money, killed the D.A.'s girl. <p> What did Nicholson do? He went on TV advertising free money then tried to kill everyone who showed up.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    It's irrelevenat if the Joker was SUPPOSED to be in the 3rd

    by schadenfreudian

    He won't be. <br>The fucking end.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    It's irrelevenant if the Joker was SUPPOSED to be in the 3rd

    by schadenfreudian

    He won't be. <br>The fucking end.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Fuck.

    by schadenfreudian

    IRRELEVANT. <br> and my apologies for the double post.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by RPLocke

    You mean that fucking awful actor from the GI JOE movie?

  • June 4, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    And only worth about two cents.

    by Fletch Gannon

    I'm glad they have closed the book on the Ledger's Joker...great character played by Ledger which should not be recast/replaced/reinterpreted in their version of the Batman universe.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    yes JGL you fucking idiots

    by FleshMachine

    have you actually seen any of his films? (no not gi joe you fucking pubic tools)

  • June 4, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I wonder if he'd return had Ledger not died?

    by BoyNamedSue

    Aaron Eckhardt told someone that Nolan had planned on bringing back the Joker in the third film.......and Nolan purposefully kept the Joker alive at the end of TDK for that reason......Nolan even said that Tim Burton made a HUGE mistake by killing off the Joker at the end of his Batman film.......We have to assume the Joker is rotting in Arkham!........I'd LOVE to see a repeat performance from Ledger :(

  • June 4, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    King Tut!

    by strosmer

  • June 4, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    AKA_Gern_Blanston...

    by Fletch Gannon

    I like your take but instead of Talia, whom is not compeling, I prefer having Catwoman as an assassin hired to kill the Bat. Whether she begins to fall for him I don't know but it would make sense that someone in Gotham would hire a hitman to take out the Batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    If G.I. Joe is his gold standard

    by Fletch Gannon

  • June 4, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    for playing villians

    by Fletch Gannon

    then keep him away from Batman

  • June 4, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    The only way they would have/should have brought...

    by jimmy_009

    ...the Joker back for the third movie was in the same way they handled Scarecrow in the second. He is now a part of the Gotham universe, but not integral to the story being told. I could have seen Heath making an appearance, perhaps as a Hannibal Lector like role as a "consultant" or something in Arkham. Not as a major character.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I can't even get through these talkbacks.

    by Sailor Rip

    Penguin wouldn't work? He's a classy criminal who owns a night club. How would that not fit in the "Nolanverse"? The Riddler is too much like the Joker? How? <p> Sometimes I think Nolan's take on Batman ruined a lot of what could have been and grounded it too much in reality. They're GREAT films but they just don't take any chances. They play it too safe.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Oswald's company serves as a front!....

    by connor187

    no more no less. Through corporate domination he establishes a power unestablished in other comic book movies, the power of money, a power that, in turn gains government backing. Its all part of a Oswald's overall criminally minded plan . I wont go into too much detail but The Riddler is initially set up as a guy that smells the rotten egg at the Penguin corporation. He sets out to out Oswald for what he really is.....anyway Gordon plays a huge part in this thriller/conspiracy, Batman initially takes a back seat until The Riddler forces him out of the shadows with the threat of unmasking.....The final third by the way, is balls to the wall action, Gotham city is the only victim in the end.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Gotta dissagree jimmy_009...

    by Fletch Gannon

    If Ledger were alive there is no way that I wouldn't want him to have a prominent role in Batman 3. But it's all a moot point.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as Riddler

    by Zarles

    Really all there is to it. I called it immediately after seeing TDK the first time, and I'd be ecstatic if it happened. He'd nail the shit out of it as long as he kept the character fairly far away from Ben Linus as possible. Riddler sending Bats on wild goose chases all around Gotham would be awesome.<p><p>As for a second villain, I'd like to see Clock King.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Nolan raised the bar

    by Fletch Gannon

    on how comic book movies should portray characters and most of Batman villians can't rise to the challenge...and you call that failure?

  • June 4, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    MASK OF THE PHANTASM

    by Willbraham

    It's the only story I see working in Nolan's third BATMAN film. THE PHANTASM would fit right in the universe after BATMAN becomes a criminal in the eyes of GOTHAM.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Plus ANDREA BEAUMONT was a perfect love interest

    by Willbraham

    It would almost be like BATMAN VS BATMAN

  • June 4, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Riddler and Catwoman

    by TheDoctor73

    The theme of the movie should be Identity. The Riddler is obsessed with finding out who Batman is. Catwoman is resolute in her being Selina Kyle and Catwoman. Batman figuring out that he is both Bruce Wayne & Batman and he can't walk away from either one. That's your movie.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Jimmy_009. I like that idea...also

    by BRUTICUS

    He could be all CG in a jail cel and straight jacket...and then escape partway through and we never see him through the whole movie as it focuses on riddler or harlequin but we are given clear hints that he is behind terrible things that happen. What if the joker comes in a coupl movies sown the road but we realize it's someone else, a new actor but mysteriously find out that it really is him or atleast he's even worse than the original joker but this time he actually has had his face reconstructed to have a smile all the time. Different actor, similar character laughs more, is crazier, older and reappears in the dark knight returns.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Ralph Fiennes as Mr Freeze, please!

    by Toilet_Terror

    Is this the face of a bat? Are these the eyes of a bat? "Hath not a Dark Knight eyes?" I feel for you, Batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob

    by Sailor Rip

    And Ra's al Ghul wouldn't get "blank stares". But there he was in the first nolan film.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page as Quinn could be good

    by I_shot_Cyrus

  • June 4, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    BATMAN REDEEMED

    by connor187

  • June 4, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    If I Batman

    by TheJudger

    Robert Gray is a wannabe hero, his girlfriend was raped and murdered during the Mad Gas Gotham City Riots. On his off time he sits in his apartment listening to a police band radio. His walls are littered with pinned up newspaper clippings about the "The Batman". He has a list of the code meanings carved into the table by the police band radio. With a picture of his girlfriend and her grave sitting on top of it. <P> When he hears the right codes he heads out into the city on his black Indian with a bat clipped onto the side of the wheel arm with a revolver in a holster under his arm. He is trying his hardest be the new Batman Gotham needs, but he's doing it all wrong. His modus is pure blood lust revenge. He kill the criminals. One night he manages to bump into a batman bust up, Batman is losing, he jumps in and proceeds to do his thing killing the bads guys, he begs batman to let him in, telling him how much Batman needs a partner, swearing they share the same disgust for crime. Batman subdues him and tells him that he's not a killer. Robert is left at the scene for the cops to deal with. Robin is arrested and charged with murder, several in fact. He goes to jail. The criminals know who he is and why he is in there. They make short work of him. He gets the nickname Robin after his cell mate rapes him early in the morning. He shanked out in the yard a few days later by a group inmates. He survives but he's sent to prisons infirmary and this is where he meet's Mr.E. a man without a face, without finger tips, without teeth, and lots of unusual tattoos. Mr. E was involved in the prison riots, he was someone everyone knew before the riots and someone no one knows after, this look was deliberate, he used the riots to his advantage to become a john doe. He was found dismembered in his cell burning the corpses of prisoners and security gaurds who died during the riots. Back in the infirmary for slashing his neck while in isolation. He befriends robin and together the two of them escape. Once they are out Robin wants revenge against the batman for ruining his life. Lots of roads to go to from here. Robin probably visits one Mr. Reese. God only knows what The riddler will do.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    DONALD GLOVER AS THE JOKER!!!!!!!

    by Willbraham

    Please hire this guy for something other than SPIDER-MAN, for the love of GOD!

  • June 4, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    No damn Catwoman please.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Fine cast of actors to play the Riddler. Depp, Tennant, Downey, give Hugh Laurie a call.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    It's stupid to think nobody could do better

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Remember when nobody could top Jack Nicholson's performance?

  • June 4, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    in "A Cell" not "His Cell"

    by TheJudger

    Damnit... Mr.E is a Mystery. burning the dead victims to hide among the list of the missing.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Sarah Jessica Parker as Horseface

    by DonLogan

    seriously though i'll be disapointed if it's not The Riddler as a zodiacesque villian. sounds cool. I also liked the idea of the joker in arkham in a Silence of the Lambs Hannibal type role. Please no Catwoman, can't see it working in that universe. Joe Pesci for the 'fucking'Penguin

  • June 4, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Tobey MacGuire as Crying Man.

    by RPLocke

  • June 4, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Aintitsuperheronews!

    by IceTitan

    Do they make still make other movies?

  • June 4, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Mindboggling

    by schadenfreudian

    Catwoman can't work in the Nolanverse? I just don't understand how it's possible to think that.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    No Riddler, No Catwoman, No Penguin

    by clupula

    Just go with the Knightfall storyline, but put Talia in it. Bane, Azrael, and Talia. Have Bruce Wayne not get paralyzed, but severely fucked up by Bane and then Azrael takes the cowl, kills Bane, and then Bruce realizes only he can be the Batman and fights the hi-tech Azrael Batman. It fits the arc of the three films, with Bruce finally accepting that only he can be the one to save Gotham city.<BR><BR> While the Riddler could work in the Nolan universe, he is not an interesting enough character to be anything but a secondary villain. Catwoman is an awful character, as is the Penguin. Just do the Bane/Azrael storyline.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I actually thought....

    by bobsjohnson

    that Michael Shannon from Revolutionary Road could have stepped into Ledger's shoes for at least a small cameo. In that movie, he actually reminded me of Ledger's Joker a bit. Still, it's obvious that the cast and crew, particularly Nolan, wouldn't want to see someone step into Ledger's role, even for a few shots.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Joker CAN CAN CAN work!!

    by Lemure_v2

    Play him like Hannibal Lecter. Batman has trouble with latest villain and seeks out his advice in Arkham. Could be some wonderful scenes, and the Joker breaks out at the end. Heath Ledger wouldn't want nobody to portray him again. And Joseph Gordon Levitt would be fucking brilliant.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    William H. Macy

    by enderandrew

    William H. Macy as a calm, controlled, brilliant and psychotic Riddler with some inspiration from the Zodiac killer.<p>I wouldn't have minded a very brief scene of Batman checking up on Joker in Arkham Asylum where Joker insists it won't keep him forever, and someday he will make Batman break his one rule. JGL could have played him for one scene in the shadows.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Obviously

    by Todaysfate

    If you are going to reboot BATMAN and call it your own ... you're going to have to include The Joker (done), The Ridler, Penquin and Catwoman. You have to. These villians are as iconic as the heroes. It would be like rebooting A New Hope without Darth Vader. If this is going to be the last movie ... it almost has to be Ridler, Cats and the birdman. If not ... the whole trilogy will feel imcomplete for all time.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip

    by HapaPapa72

    Yeah, Jack seemed plenty unhinged in 1989. The anarchistic Joker was cool and hip and edgy, but he still seemed pretty sanely calculating. The Joker sitting around cutting out thousands of pictures and newsclippings for no reason, having a conversation with a corpse, burning his girlfriend's face with acid...Heath rightly earned some posthumous Oscar gold, but let's not forget Jack did his paunchy part pretty well(for 1989), too.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Two-Face

    by enderandrew

    Eckhart asked Nolan directly on set if there was any chance Two-Face could come back and Nolan said that Two-Face was definitively dead.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Nolan, how's this for edgy: BELLADONA IS CATWOMAN!

    by AzulTool

  • June 4, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Burton's MIstake

    by Aquatarkusman

    Was not killing off the Joker but making him the killer of Bruce's parents (although it led to a great line about "Hey, I was a kid when I killed your parents.. jeez, how childish can you get?")

  • June 4, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    ChocolateJesus

    by HapaPapa72

    I love the idea of making the Penguin similar to Clarence Boddicker... those creepy Nazi SS glasses...throw him in a tux... have him blast off hands left and right...

  • June 4, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    And Best Joker:

    by Aquatarkusman

    Cesar Romero. So crazy he wouldn't shave his goddamned mustache.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Joker Copy Cat

    by Todaysfate

    Use Gordon Levit as the Joker ... but reveal near the end that he murdered Ledger's joker and took his place as a copy cat. Since the Joker has no identity in this universe ... it may work.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    No disrespect to the Late Heath Legder or Hercules

    by figonacci

    but man, Mark Hamill's voice acting and Paul Dini's writing and the animators from Batman: Arkham Asylum... yes THE VIDEO GAME, TRUMPED "the finest depiction of Batman’s most iconic nemesis" in my opinion.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Nolan should use the Top Shelf Villians

    by Magnus Greel

    The Riddler, Catwoman and The Penguin. When Warners reboots the series...again next time with Taylor Lautner as Bruce Wayne they will be force to cast another Joker or use the second tier baddies.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Penguin

    by DefyThis

    Penguin works just fine if you scale back the cartoonish elements, and focus on him as a mob boss. You can keep the top hat and monocle, lose the deformities, and have him as a godfather figure - the natural head of the mob after it's all come apart. This makes perfect sense after the first two movies. Falcone is done, Sal is done, the crime families are in disarray - enter the Penguin as a uniting force (as opposed to the destructive force of the Joker). You could actually bring in a couple lower villains in this plotline. But do that as a background plot and have the Riddler forcing Batman to use is detective skills as the primary.

  • June 4, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    DONALD GLOVER 4 the ventrilioquist

    by figonacci

    you heard it here first

  • June 4, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Hugo Strange.

    by fiester

    Be interesting to see Nolan and crew pull a fast one and drop someone like that into the mix. Do Batman & the Monster Men. Or even something like Batman: The Long Halloween.

  • June 4, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Crazy ideas

    by Todaysfate

    Make the Riddler a woman. It worked (or didnt) with Starbuck.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Donald Glover for Danny Glovers Dick Blood?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • June 4, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    What Nolan should REALLY do

    by schadenfreudian

    is get some of the zombie juice from Re-Animator to bring Ledger back to life for this movie. <br>. Some of you guys really need to learn how to let go.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    figonacci

    by Zarles

    That game was fantastic. Good call. I loved Ledger, but damn that was fun to play.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by zooch

    You mean that actor from "10 Things I Hate About You"? Wait.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    More crazy ideas

    by Magnus Greel

    Make the Penguin a female and call her The Pengwench. She's a short, fat, ugly chick who was a waitress humiliated by Bruce Wayne, and now she's bent on revenge.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Magnus Greel

    by enderandrew

    Nolan has gone on record saying he doesn't want supernatural or silly villians in his incarnation of the Bat-verse. So no Penguin that is anything like Burton's version.<p>There were rumors about that Nolan wanted Philip Seymor Hoffman for a very serious penguin, but rumors also insisted the Eddie Murphy was playing Ridder, and NONE of the casting rumors have had any truth.<p>I think there is a reason that Nolan opened with Rah As Ghul. He isn't trying to evoke our memories of the campy TV show, or previous movies. He clearly rebooted the universe with a more realistic, serious approach. If he uses Penguin or Catwoman, it will be because they play into the story.<p>I think The Riddler makes the most sense because the events of the first two films could come crumbling down if The Riddler revealed that Gordon lied in an investigation about Batman/Two-Face. The Riddler is smart enough to figure it out, and hold Gotham hostage in his games. Catwoman could work as someone straddling the line of villian/companion to Batman as a vigilante trying to fill Batman's void while he is on the run. Maybe she alone supports him while he is hunted, but she goes too far, and he has to stop her.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Jeff Dunham as The Ventriloquist

    by zooch

    confirmed.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    FU Hercules...Michelle Pfeiffer did a great job!

    by planetran_fan

  • June 4, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Remember sitting in the theatre 15 years ago...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...jonesed about seeing Batman Forever? Remember how pissed you were leaving the theatre 2 hours later? At least we won't have to go through that again with Nolan. It might be a disappointment, but it won't be a suckfest.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Or remember 13 years ago?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    When you wanted to kill Joel Schumacher? I thought the 90's were the best years of my life... but Batman & Robin definitely cast a stink over the last few years of that decade.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Tattoos

    by rebelpigs

    Simple really, covered in riddles & question marks. Tattoo them on. Might be a bit derrivative, but hey. As for the Riddler himself. Guy Pearce, under used and can play as crazy as batshit. Just as good as Depp, but cheaper.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    John Malkovich as Penguin...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...Anne Hathaway as Penguiess.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I don't care who the villain is, really

    by HapaPapa72

    But dammit the friggin Batcave better be rebuilt by 2012. I can understand rooting the Batman in the (sigh) Gritty Realism of the Real World, but let's keep at least a little of the mythos in there.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see...

    by LuminousBeing

    Harley Quinn. Call me crazy...but how badass would it be to have a Joker-worshipping cult pop up with Harley at the head...work in some religious overtones and shit?

  • June 4, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever was FUN!

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • June 4, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Or remember when Batman Returns came out?

    by RPLocke

    And totally made you wonder how the hell Tim Burton ever became a director?

  • June 4, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    The best Joker...

    by photoboy

    ... is either Mark Hamill or Jack Nicholson. Ledger's Joker was OK, but I thought Two-Face was a far more interesting villain in TDK. It's a pity they killed Two-Face off as I'd have liked to have seen him in Batman 3.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    And NO Anne Hathaway as Catwoman!

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    She's a lovely girl, really. But she always reminds me of that nerdy bookish girl from high school who goes to college, gets contacts, a new hairstyle and discovers she looks halfway hot in a dress. Beautiful yes, but missing that hint of bad girl fuckability you'd want to see in Catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    FUCK Jeffrey Weissman - Crispin Glover uber alles!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Naw I'm sure he's a nice guy and shit. But has he created anything as magical as "Clowny Clown Clown?"

  • June 4, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    What about that latina detective?

    by UltimaRex

    I bet she'll turn up in Shadow of the Bat.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    (500) Days of Batman

    by Magnus Greel

    The Riddler: "So ... you are the Dark Knight" Batman: "Yeah. it's crazy, huh?"

  • June 4, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Sample Comm. Gordon line:

    by Magnus Greel

    "I DECLARE BATMAN TO BE AN OUTTTTTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!"

  • June 4, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I don't understand

    by XAOS

    How would things in Nolan's movies sully Mark Hamill's voice work at the Joker?

  • June 4, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I believe it's called menage a trois...

    by thedarklinglord

    It should be Catwoman and Poison Ivy and Batman should bang 'em both at the same time, while Alfred films. <br> <br> Oh, and there's no contest: Mark Hamill is, hands down, the best Joker.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    When you say Batman Forever was FUN...

    by Magnus Greel

    you mean GAY, right?

  • June 4, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    It will be Marion Cutilliard. 100% GARANTEED

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • June 4, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    And I want to see The Riddler as a homicidal BANKSY

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    and can you say Joseph Gordon Levitt.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Well, I can't say I'm not a little disappointed,

    by rabidfnark

    but, oh well, at least we're getting a third one. Besides, there are so many Batman villains that have gone unused (or done poorly). I, for one, would like to see some lower tier bad guys worked in...maybe the Mad Hatter, or something. And I'd be really interested in seeing Nolan's version of The Riddler (not so low tier but still). Only time will tell, I suppose.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    magnusgreel, yes, when I say fun, i really mean gay

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...cuz ya know, gay and fun are synonyms... <p> so you sir, are very FUN

  • June 4, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    MacGrubber VS Batman

    by RPLocke

  • June 4, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    no follow evilherc on twitter bs?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    is evilherc to busy tweeting about Chace Crawfords arrest?

  • June 4, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Nolan should...

    by lucasdefender

    should just continue to play by his own rules and do something like place Bane as a main threat or something...could be incredible

  • June 4, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Riddler covered in tat's....

    by Scalvador

    And played by Guy Pearce...Hmm. Think Nolan's already been down that road.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Dog Welder!

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

  • June 4, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I want mr freeze!

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    seriously out of all the rougue gallery the three i want to see most as Mr freeze, catwoman and the penguin. I think nolan is giving up to quickly on freeze, he could really work if you go the darker route. penguin would be amazing since burton's penguin (while good) is not what the penguin represents, oswald cobblepot would really fit into Nolan's mafia themed villan wolrd and i think there no way he won't show up in batman 3. I also think catwoman will show up, bruce needs a love interest and catwoman is the best anti hero of all of batmans villans<P>I think in the end we'll see penguin, catwoman and scarecrow (you know Nolan has plans for scarecrow, why tease us in the second one if not to remind us he's still around)

  • June 4, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    speakin of twitter...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...they tryin to tell me Undertaker is dead...

  • June 4, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    The LOST Riddler.

    by LordVonPS3

    I would like to see a serious / dark Riddler character played by Michael Emerson (LOST's Ben Linus). No "riddle me this, riddle me that" nonsense. Instead, how about a serious detective caper? Failing that, I challenge Nolan to have Batman give us the real identity of the smoke monster...

  • June 4, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis

    by TravisB

    Fuck this! No doubt heath was perfect in his performance and no one can match it... but i think we all know Daniel Day Lewis could act the fuck out of the joker! Just watch Gangs of New York!

  • June 4, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Josh Holloway as The Riddler.

    by RPLocke

    Son uf a bitch.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Harvey Dent is dead.

    by DigitalBeachWar

    I remember reading on this site an interview with Aaron Eckhart. He said something along the lines that he asked Nolan if he would be coming back for the third film and Nolan said No. I'm also pretty sure I remember reading something about Anthony Michael Hall being The Riddler. Because he was hell bent on trying to expose Bruce Wayne and all. I think that they made Joker too much like what Riddler should be. Seeing Riddler may be way too similar.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Michael Shannon as the Riddler.

    by Harold-Sherbort

    Do it up!

  • June 4, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Jim Parsons as The Riddler!!!!!

    by darthsynn

    Thank you.

  • June 4, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Here's a sequel script I wrote as an exercise

    by dcsmith

    http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n

  • June 4, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by clupula

    was a big improvement over Burton's first shitty Batman movie.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Everyone from Lost as The Riddler

    by RPLocke

    Even the Dog.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    HapaPapa72

    by Sailor Rip

    Damn right. Nicholson nailed it.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as Mad Hatter...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ...and Terry O Quinn as Calendar Man. THANKS.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    lost

    by Zadrock

    I'm sure someone has pointed this out already but why is Catwomen holding the numbers(LOST)?

  • June 4, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    What if they went a completely different way...

    by Jaka

    ...with it and kept Batman as the perceived enemy like he was at the end of The Dark Knight? So while the city was against him and the politicians want him stopped, they would be HIS enemy. Of course Gordon would be on his side. And there would still need to be some sort of criminal element. But it wouldn't need to be one of the iconic Batman villains we already know.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Mad Hatter or Bane

    by Doc_Hudson

    Bane COULD do the back breaking part to end the trilogy... Hugo Strange.... Atomic Man(renamed maybe) Dr Death would be great. The Chinese could return with KINGSNAKE. TBH,...they could invent someone and be innovative...or combine some villains into one.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Nolan missed a real opportunity

    by fzammetti

    I've said this for a long time now: I think Nolan kinda blew it. Ledger died during filming as I recall, and I have to think there was enough time and will to do a few extra days' worth of reshoots... what I would have done if I was him is I would have had the Joker either slip off the building at the end, or have Batman actually drop him (you could argue the later isn't true to the character though) and I would have reshot the Twoface death so that it obviously left open the possibility he's still alive. The point is that you had to know how great Ledger had been even at that point, and you wouldn't want anyone coming along trying to recast Joker, or even to be tempted to do it yourself. But TwoFace was *also* awesome as hell, so truly killing Joker and being able to go back to TwoFace would have been perfect... the amount of money and work to have done that I have to believe would have been almost nothing at that point. I REALLY wish they had thought to do this.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    So many bad ideas in this TB

    by ebonic_plague

    It's an AICN tradition to shit on Schumacher's Batman movies, but 99% of the suggestions in this TB would make his last few Batman movies seem like the Godfather.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp as The Mad Hatter

    by zooch

  • June 4, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    rebelpigs

    by Sailor Rip

    Guy Pierce Riddler. I like it.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    What's with the "NO CATWOMAN!" fags?

    by MattmanReturns

    No one can seem to give a valid reason why (and Batman Returns or that Halle Berry shit are not valid reasons, as those were profound misinterpretations of the character). Someone went so far as to call her "boring," which tells me you've never picked up a Batman comic in your life and are just talking out of your asshole. A Batman/Catwoman story done right (see Hush, Long Halloween, Dark Victory) would be amazing.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I have serious doubts about Nolan's ability to do "sexy"

    by Chewtoy

    I can't think of a Nolan film in which there's much of any male/female smoldering. They're mostly flicks about guys obsessed with other guys. Love interests just seem to be there, but are almost always the least interesting thing in the flick. I don't know if he's the director to do Catwoman justice.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Catwoman and Bane

    by Crusher Creel

    ...would be great. Catwoman, despite what many may think, can puuurfectly fit into Nolan's hyper-realtistic Batman universe. And so could Bane. Let's get some ass-kicking action on some rooftops, scary bat-poses, and call it a great part 3.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Anne Hathaway as Harley Quinn. Johnny Depp as The Riddler. Emily Blunt as Catwoman. No crappy stupid and secondary villains like Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze or Bane please. Too unrealsistic for Nolan's Batman universe.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    THE VILLAIN HAS TO REPRESENT THE THEME OF THE MOVIE.......

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    So the question is - What will the theme of Batman 3 be?<br> <br>Batman Begins was about fear, so Scarecrow was the perfect villain although Nolan fucked up by focusing too much on Ra's al Ghul IMHO.<br> <br>In The Dark Knight, Batman, The Joker and Two-Face represented Order, Chaos and Chance.<br> <br>Now, there are only a few top villains left. IMHO, The Riddler wouldn't work because he'd have to pose ethical conundrums which is pretty much what The Joker did in TDK.<br> <br>Now, call me batshit insane, but my two top choices would be The Penguin and Catwoman. Hear me out. The Penguin would be a Dick Cheney type who comes into Gotham and represents fascism. A law enforcement official who bends the rules and breaks them in the name of Order. Batman does the same but he draws the line when it comes to killing where as The Penguin has no issue with torturing/murdering criminals in the name of Justice which would directly lead to conflict with Batty.<br> <br>If I were using Catwoman, I'd have her backstory involve The Penguin. Say she is going around killing associates of The Penguin, trying to get to him, while Batman gets the blame which is why The Penguin targets Batman. Make it that someone she cared about was killed by The Penguin. Perhaps her parents? Say they were activists who were investigating The Penguins illegal government activities and he had them snuffed. This would give her a connection to Batman. Catwoman would represent the theme of Vengence.<br> <br>What I’d really like from Batman 3 (I think it should be called GOTHAM) is something similar to V for Vendetta. Just a few thoughts…..

  • June 4, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    preston payne clayface!

    by chainsaw1974

    the animated one is too"sci-fi"he dosent want freeze y cause he has a freeze gun?"not real enough?"but a matt hagen terminator 2 like clayface isnt?give me the preston payne clayface the freaky plastic bag mush head who he ever touches melts them love the batman annual story where he falls in love with the dummy.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Terry O Quinn as the Penguin

    by RPLocke

    And Eve Lily as Catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Not Sure Anyone Else Thinks This...

    by HobGoblin

    ...but can I just say I'd watch Micheal Emmerson as The Riddler...????

  • June 4, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    RICHARD DREYFUSS AS THE PENGUIN/MARION COTILLARD AS CATWOMAN!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 4, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Ledger's Joker Listed #5 of the 100 Grteatest Characters of the

    by RefutetheHype

    100 Greatest Characters of the 20th century, Heath Ledger's Joker is #5. Oh and by the way not a single character from LOST is listed in the entire Top 100, which even includes a character from MELROSE PLACE the baby landlord from that Will Farrell FunnyorDie.com skit and the vampire boy from TWILIGHT. So that means that in the opinion of ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY not one character from LOST is as important to the 20th century as the baby landlord who bitchslaps Will Farrell around. LOST HYPE FOREFVER REFUTED. Oh and also LOST is a giant fart. When the fart goes off, everyone is stunned and staggering around and then after that people talk to each other and go "MAN WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?" and then they go quiet and cough and the eyes water and they sneeze or run out of the room away from the fart but those who decide to tough it out will stand there in the shitsmell and then never talk about the fart again when it finally leaves. LOST is that fart.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Id like to see thoe gazoongas in the next movie

    by mattforce7

    moar pluzz

  • June 4, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    BATMAN 3 AKA GOTHAM = V FOR VENDETTA!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 4, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    bob hoskins as oswald!

    by chainsaw1974

    dosent have to be called the penquin every non comic book reading person knows penquins real name since batman returns,he can be a english mobster son o bitch taking over maronies place and he can have one unbrella that conceals a gun,thats all we need.how cool would hoskins look kinda on the old side sporting a monocle ,dressed all english like sipping tea and taking over the mob world,if the non comicbook reading world needs to know hes the penquin have a silver penquin statue on his desk or somewhere in his office .

  • June 4, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Obvious choice is Ras and Talia

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    can't see any other logical ending to this run of movies.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    John Malkovich would make a

    by landocolt45

    Clock King! Even thought he is a minor villain. Or how about someone like Clayface or Bane....Too many choices and you have to figure in who will pull in the people to see it. An obscure villain would probably be too confusing for non-Batman people....

  • June 4, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The Riddler = Christoph Waltz

    by Fixthe Fernback

    To pinch a Marvel phrase: 'nuff said.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Emmerson for me...

    by HobGoblin

    ...just has that wonderful small man's menace that seems so deadly... I can't imagine settling for a mediocre actor of any sort after Heath... Micheal Emmerson just seems to fit the bill and even seems perfect for the costume...

  • June 4, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Sidekick

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    I wonder if Batman is going find himself up against an enemy(s) that he can't handle them alone. I wonder if he needs to enlist the help of a little gay, bird inspired hero

  • June 4, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Sidekick

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    I wonder if Batman is going find himself up against an enemy(s) that he can't handle them alone. I wonder if he needs to enlist the help of a little gay, bird inspired hero

  • June 4, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Riddler=Peter Weller...

    by odo19

    He's not doing anything anyway and besides, he's the type of left field choice Nolan would choose that fans would hate at first but later grow to love. Also this is just me but I always imagined the character with his voice.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    OK SOMEBODY TOLD ME

    by RefutetheHype

    LOCKE IS #63. O well.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Batman and the Supernatural

    by filegumbo

    I like the idea of Batman, the quintessential scientist and detective, coming into contact with supernatural forces...things that totally contradict his inclinations. Why not characters like Deadman, Solomon Grundy, Swamp Thing, etc. Ra's comes close, but that was not played up in the first movie. I could see Deadman letting Bruce have a little contact with his parents. I would love to see him lost in a deep, preternatural swamp full of eerie things. I just think the dichotomy between Bruce's analytical mind and the supernatural is a great theme from the Batman books and could really be used well.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    refute refuted

    by RefutetheHype

    o well.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Also no to Catwoman...

    by odo19

    All Bat films have one thing in common and that's that the chemistry between Batman and the love interest is non-existent. I want this to be the first Batman film where he's just a loner completely dedicated to his work. Rachel was the one for him. Now that she's gone he has nothing but his love of Gotham/hatred of crime to drive him.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    the LOST Island as the Riddler

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Batman would be FUCKED.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    filegumbo, sorry, Deadman is dead.

    by MattmanReturns

  • June 4, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    RefutetheHype

    by RPLocke

    EW sucks ass. I'm pretty sure some ass from Glee is in that list too. Fuckers.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    It's not gonna be ANY of the...

    by Master Bruce

    big-name super-villians 'cuz Nolan is embarassed by the source material...that much is obvious w/his "grim & gritty" take so far. My money's on Talia Al Ghul seeking revenge on Batman/Bruce Wayne for her father's murder by destroying everyone & everything that he holds dear, including Gotham itself...finally finishing what her father started. It will push Bruce Wayne to his absolute limits in order to stop her...if he can. And no, Ra's will NOT be "resurrected" via The Lazurus Pit...too unrealistic for Nolan. However, I wouldn't rule out a cameo by Liam Neeson in the form of flashbacks.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Henry Ian Cusick as The Riddler

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Riddle me this, Brotha.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Jorge Garcia as Hugo Strange

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

  • June 4, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Crispin, I stick to my guns on Emerson

    by HobGoblin

    ...but damn if that suggestion isn't just as good! I'd pay to see that!

  • June 4, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    That's a great idea - Sam Rockwell! As for Nolan's NO on Joker

    by 5_day_forecast

    Please be aware that Nolan just worked with Joseph Gordon-Levitt on Inception. It's not a secret that he's been the fan favorite to take over the Joker role... y'know they know it. It had to be on their minds while filming, and still - here we have Nolan giving a clear NO to continuing the character. That's pretty clear to me. For the record, Pheiffer already NAILED Catwoman. Let's let that one rest.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Darlton as Tweedledum and Tweedledee

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Or as Bane. Fucking bane of my existence.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Emille De Raven as Harley Quinn

    by RPLocke

    Chalie, you stay away from my babeee!

  • June 4, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Sucks they wasted Two Face...

    by blueoccult

    I love him in the comics. I wish they would have saved him for the next movie. Like, they should have let him disappear after the hospital blew up in Dark Knight, then continue in the next movie with him getting his revenge and such, and have the Riddle pop up, leaving Batman to take down two villains. Also, Catwoman could work if they do it right.

  • June 4, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Naveen Andrews as Man-Bat

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    He's played a scientist before.

  • June 4, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Terry O'Quinn as Lock-Up

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Don't tell me who I can't cast!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Yunjin Kim as Lynx

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

  • June 4, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Azrael

    by Spyhunter

    I wish they'd use Azrael, he'd be awesome as a villain.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Josh Holloway as Ratcatcher

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Son of a bitch

  • June 4, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Nestor Carbonell as Mayor of Gotham

    by RPLocke

    Oops.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Sayid bombs at stand-up

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=EfxPk8Kcb18

  • June 4, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Nestor did say he hoped...

    by Jaka

    ...to be back in the third one, though.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Well played, RPLocke. Well played.

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    But seriously I'd watch Michael Emerson in anything.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Riddler for sure

    by redkamel

    with Nolan's love of playing with perception, puzzles and mind bending (based on Memento and Inception trailers), I don't know how he could resist the Riddler.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Stop talking about LOST, you swine!

    by Hercules

    This is a movie site!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    LOST is more cinematic than half the shit in theaters

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    And a million times more captivating. Besides, we ain't talking about LOST, we are trying to get LOST actors hired in movie films. LOST actors got to eat.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc: stop talking about SATC2, you swine!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    This is a movie site!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's for the best

    by AsimovLives

    In The Nolans I Trust

  • June 4, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as the Riddler would be awesome

    by RPLocke

    I. Have. A. Riddle. For. You.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Needs a Killer Croc Sewer Scene,

    by Saen

    God i hated that fuckin level. But it would be awesome on screen!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    hey herc, just STOP TALKIN

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    this is a "cool" website

  • June 4, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Catwoman, yes please

    by AsimovLives

    Preferably played by Emily Blunt. Very preferably.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    No Catwoman, dammit

    by tomwaitsisgod

    Couldn't care less about Catwoman. I don't need another exploration into the "love-that-can-never-be" relationship between Wayne and Kyle. I want somebody fucking diabolical. I don't know who I want exactly, but I know for sure that if they announced Catwoman as the lead villain I would be extremely disinterested in a movie I would have otherwise been waiting on pins and needles for. Nolan can do better.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    lol @ my own comment

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • June 4, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by HobGoblin

    From your mouth to God's ears, brother!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Oh and Batman 3 will be called

    by SamusMaXximus

    The Caped Crusader

  • June 4, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    5_day_forecast

    by AsimovLives

    People also though that Nicholson had definatly nailed The Joker, and look how it turned out.

  • Have Talia as the main nemesis. A corporate rival for Bruce by day and femme fatale at night. She tries to lure him to daddy's side without his knowledge. She gets pregnant. All the while Hugo Strange is a tv shrink like Doctor Phil and he has an obsession with Batman's psyche. He says he will unmask him psychologically. The cops form a special task force to go after him and add Hugo to the team as advisor. This could work taking elements of each storyline and using them together.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Deiantly nailed the Joker = raped the joker?

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    How else would you defiantly nail someone?

  • June 4, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Jorge Garcia as Condiment King

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

  • June 4, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Tilda Swinton as Lady Vic

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

  • June 4, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    by Hercules

    No one's talking about SATC2 but you, my amigo.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Sarah Jessica Parker as Poison Ivy

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Paulo as TAKE A SHIT GUY!!

    by daveyf

    FTW!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Nikki as Vicki Vale

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Justified!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Superpowers=No Way for Nolan!

    by jazzylg

    If the character has superpowers,they won't show up in a Nolan film. Which kind of limits his universe..which is actually the dc universe, which he recreated to have no one with superpowers. To keep it 'realistic'. A nearly unstoppable ninja with gadgets, who happens to be a billionaire, who fights crime, oh yea, that's reality (lol)

  • June 4, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Michael C. Hall as Riddler?

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    I'm all for Emerson too, he'd be the tits but Dexter could own that shit up too.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    RIDDLER, BLACK MASK,&CATWOMAN FOR BM3!!!!!

    by Thanos0145

    Michael Emerson for the Riddler as many others on this board have said.<p>You know Warner Bros. is going to want Catwoman so Nolan will use her. (I'd want Zatanna as an alternate pick.) For those not up to date in the current comics, Bruce revealed his identity to Selina and told her that he loved her (just before Darkseid zapped him with his Omega Rays in Final Crisis). Marion Cotillard or Emily Blunt for the role of Catwoman.<p>After Batman 3, the character will probably next appear in the Justice League of America movie (Avengers WHO???)<p>DC>>>>Marvel<p>IN NOLAN I TRUST!!!!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Catwoman#51 with LOST numbers by Adam Hughes...

    by Thanos0145

    for those who want to know about the picture used for this TB.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Macauley Culkin as Riddler

    by I_shot_Cyrus

  • June 4, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Harley should make an appearance

    by ahdvd

    that way we can still have the joker pulling the strings but not appearing. Could even hear her talking with the joker from outside of his isolation sell in arkham?

  • June 4, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Okay, Peter Weller as Riddler could be cool.

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    But I'd rather see a Nolanverse Catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Batman vs the Mob some more

    by sith_rising

    fuck it, the comic villains can't do much more, except maybe Raz's daughter. I'm all for Batman fighting more mobsters, drug dealers, ninjas and hitmen. Nolan's Batman is grounded in reality. keep it that way. fuck penguin and joker. and the riddler is the most non-threatening villain ever.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    How about Jokerz?

    by Jobacca

    It would be a nice shout-out to the fans and a nice way to pay tribute to The Jokers legacy...have a whole gang of Jokerz running around,maybe being led by Harley Quinn. Naw,Nolan would never do anything that cool....

  • June 4, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Oh and Bob Hoskins as the Penguin....

    by Jobacca

    And I dont mean the crappy Danny DeVito Penguin...I wanna see Bob Hoskins basically play the same character he did in Danny the Dog/Unleashed...gimme a bad-ass mob boss Penguin,with Bane as his hitman,and maybe a little Catwoman too boot. Again,Nolan will never give us anything this cool-we will however get 30 minutes of Morgan Freeman explaining about how he waxes the Bat-Pod with a high density kevlar wax developed by Wayne Enterprises.....

  • June 4, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    The Riddler and Penguin...it's obvious

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    First, the Riddler won't WRITE his riddles. The crimes themselves will be the riddles and point to the next heist, kidnapping, murder, etc. That's how Bats will have to use his detective skills. Casting: How about Joseph Fiennes? <br> And Penguin is TOTALLY going to be the anti-Bruce Wayne. Mega-billionaire corporate type who uses his money to finance crime instead of fighting it. Plus, it's gonna be Ricky Gervais playing him...he's perfect. <br> Back me up on this one, JettL.

  • June 4, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Olivia wilde as catwoman, Robin williams for the penquin

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    wilde is obvious for the catwoman, she's already got the cat eyes and i'd like to see her in a leather catsuit sos i may jerk to it nightly, robin williams for the penguin may seem out of left feild, but i'm not talking Mork williams, i'm talking, insomnia, one hour photo and world's best dad williams, the dude can act when he wants and nolan has worked with him before

  • June 4, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Buncha slack-jawed faggots in here!

    by ebonic_plague

    We have a chance at finally seeing a worthy interpretation of one of the few non-ridiculous female superhero type characters in comics, who would actually fit into the world Nolan's already created with very little changes for live action, and you guys would rather see Batman fight a roided out wrestler and a ventriloquist?

  • June 4, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Talia Al Ghul

    by chewyou812

    Emanuel Chiriqui (Sloan on Entourage)

  • June 4, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I don't think the studio will let Nolan not use a popular villai

    by sonnyfern

    Too much is riding on this one.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Hayden Christensen for Joker!

    by GoodBadEnergy

    Hayden Christensen would be perfect!

  • June 4, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Oh no, what's next? A Star Wars Addidas ad?

    by Orionsangels

    http://tinyurl.com/39pkg69

  • June 4, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Just do Riddler, finish the trilogy, Nolan walks away

    by DarthBlart

    and Batman Returns becomes Batman 4, voila!

  • June 4, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Olivia Wilde as Catwoman??

    by Hercules

    I'm willing to entertain the notion!!!!! <p> Yes, five explanation points! How dare you count??????

  • June 4, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Why can't you fucking nerds just

    by Scalvador

    trust Nolan? He hasn't fucked up any major characters so far, has he? But no, at AICN, every idiot and their fucking cousin is an authority on Batman - proffering completely redundant, uninspired observations and suggestions, and bitching that their favourite, sligtly obscure character doesn't seem to be a contender for the main villain. Get over it you fucking bitches. Why can't Catwoman work? Can you not entertain the possibility that the Nolan's might have a fresh, interesting take on the character? Keep an open mind and give Nolan the benefit of the doubt. And grow some fucking balls.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I would love to see

    by inkingeekX

    A Nolan version of the Hush story. That would fit nolan's style well

  • June 4, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I have a way to make Penguin and Bane both work

    by MAD_MIKE

    In the world that Nolan has created. <P> It is not difficult for both to be possible and riveting. <P> I think that Paul Giammatti should play him and he should be a low level mobster who is trying to move in and take Moroni's territory. He should be dealing guns and be very ruthless. In fact he always dresses in a Tux because a man should look his best, but he hates being called Penguin so much that at one point he would just shoot someone for daring to call him that. <P> Bane could be brought in as Muscle to deal with Batman. He could be changed slieghtly for the film. <P> Make him a former Luchidore who was imprisoned for killing a bunch of people with his bare hands, and while in prison was subjected to some experimental drugs that made him unstable and even more dangerous. <P> so right there imagine Batman doing Kav Maga against a Mexican wrestler with Roid rage. <P> During the process of being Penguines muscle, Bane is secretly taking over some of the graft operations in an attempt to take the same territory Penguin is trying to but from inside his organization. <P> <P> This is just the basic thought from the villain side. I have everything from the Bruce Wayne side of the film as well. Riddler is a lame character. Honestly the only way I would even accept him is if he was John Doe from Se7en. He would have to be that kind of ruthless character to be remotely interesting in a two hour film. <P> <P> Catwoman would be great, but the character in essense is to light for a nolan film. <P> It needs to be Penguin. Or Ras al ghul returns.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    don't degenerate... keep it at 1+1 villain

    by MurderMostFowl

    one main villain and one side one. Or have more than 2 but don't explain who they are and don't give them equal time. <BR><BR> TDK was genius. I do hope two-face has his day. <BR><BR> So glad that there will not be another Joker for now anyway.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Live Free or Die Batman

    by DarthBlart

  • June 4, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    make riddler like a green hooded zodiac killer

    by DarthBlart

    a serial killer that sends clues. or a bomber , a mass murderer, who sends clues.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    If The Joker was...

    by BlackBriar

    In the cast of Batman 3. Crispin Glover or Michael Keaton would be my top choice.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    First one was about terrorism

    by Omegaman

    (League of Shadows was like Al Qaida), second one was the governments and Batmans response to terrorism, third one has to be the government becoming fascist and Batman fighting the government. Someone else above mentioned that, that it should be sort of like V for Vendetta. Thats what Id like to see too. It'd have a sort of libertarian theme. I think you could work just about any villain into a story like that. But with torture, eavesdropping, assassination, loss of civil liberties, etc... that would be topical for today, just like the last two were then. Although i think this would have worked better at the end of the Bush administration, Obama has continued most of Bush's 'War on Terror' policies.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    The idea of Catwoman is starting to appeal to me...

    by m_reporter

    Especially if they cast Olivia Wilde!<p> Downsize the scale of the film, and make it a love story in disguise (maybe a subplot to the main arc?). Catwoman would fit since Batman impersonators are already established, and they never need to refer to this girl as "Catwoman" (since it sounds stupid, and doesn't really fit in Nolan's universe), but keep all the major traits of the character. And I feel that giving Bruce a new love interest would bring good closure to the trilogy.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    make the riddler...

    by smokie

    a computer hacker. Don't even reveal who he is till the very end like like Kevin spacey in Se7en. How cool would that be? That would make it a real detective story. Nolan could make Catwomen just another vigilante like batman but with a more brutal aproach like Ras. It might be interesting.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Well, if you want it to be topical..

    by blackwood

    Poison Ivy: Eco terrorist.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    It has to be Riddler!! but studio will make it Catwoman

    by Soooooooup

    He has superior intellect to Batman!! because Catwoman has sexuality??? Just beat it off Bruce and apprehend the bitch. She's got no smarts or tech!! --- Nolan will not sign on for a fourth so the studio will shoehorn in Catwoman for the sex appeal to sell maximum tix!!

  • June 4, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    riddler could even end up

    by smokie

    being some kid in the end

  • June 4, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    how about no villains?

    by strosmer

    just bruce putzin' around the batcave, eating sushi and watching lots of tv. it would be compelling.<p>seriously though, penguin, riddler, and catwoman are the only villains who could work within the plausibility of the nolanverse. bane, croc, freeze, ivy, etc. are too fantastical.<p>penguin - scrap the top hat, monocle, and tuxedo. just have him be a paunchy corporate villain conspiring with gotham's politicians and the mob. he's the least interesting of the main rogues, but a logical inclusion in the nolanverse.<p>riddler - the most interesting of the bunch (sans Joker and Two-Face). he doesn't need to be a costumed villain. psychologically, he works best for the nolanverse. a lot of action can be centered around him. he must be the rogue nolan is pondering most.<p>catwoman - could be done along the lines of the Year One version. she doesn't need to be written as a love interest, or even a villain per se. explaining her motives to become catwoman, and making those plausible, makes her the most challenging of the three to adapt to the nolanverse, but i think she can be worked in somehow. originally, i thought she could be like one of the copycats from TDK, inspired to be like batman, but with bats now perceived a villain by gotham, would that motive work?<p>i think penguin/riddler working in tandem could work well as some have suggested, especially with penguin acting from behind-the-scenes to assist riddler. or just riddler alone. you can still have scarecrow in there too, but here's a novel idea - how about only ONE villain in a superhero movie?<p>whoever is chosen, i do trust in nolan. i can't wait to see how he does a fully-equipped batcave.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Will Scarecrow be back?

    by RPLocke

    He's still alive.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    PLEASE GIVE US CATWOMAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by blackflowerX

    WTF !!!??? Why the hate For Selyna ??? She has to be THE most interesting character after the Joker, FFS??!! Nolan HAS to give us his take on the most amazing schizo female comic villaness

  • June 4, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    BATMITE

    by Curious Jorge

    You know you wanna see Batmite hit the big screen.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    TV actors

    by zooch

    They would never cast a television actor to play a villian in a major motion picture the size of Batman. Sorry Fanboys.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    I want eye candy.

    by Triple_J_72

    Phooey to you Catwoman haters.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Will someone please tackle Herc and shut him the fuck up

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • June 4, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Damn....total post (pre spell check) fail ;(

    by blackflowerX

    Why did I just fuck that up...Arrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!! Please give us CatWoman Mr Nolan , that's all I'm saying , if anyone can do her the true justice such an amazing character deserves its him....I HATE the fucking Riddler/Penguin , I would rather see Bane than those pretentious douche bags...OMG ! Nolan's CatWoman done right would be like an enjoyable death , and then waking up in heaven....He simply can't end this trilogy without either Cat Woman , or the Huntress, this series needs a strong woman to match the Bat( I would send a blood donation if it would make it happen) ... *Gasp!

  • June 4, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    No dipshit..you're right..Nolan killed Rachel Dawes for nothing.

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    The whole reason he did that was to open up the door for another love interest taht exists in the story arc..Serioulsy..am I the only non 12 year old on this forum (that means you too herc..please go back to watching the WB)

  • June 4, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Love the hidden Riddler idea...

    by Billyeveryteen

    With Selina doing the "legwork", so to speak.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn.

    by PennsyDeux

    Made of win.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Smart, Respectful Move . . .

    by Dave I

    I think there is too much baggage with Ledger's performance; it was too iconic, too closely linked to Ledger's death, and just such a defining depiction of the character of the Joker.<p><p>As for the next villain (hopefully singular unless they do a great job of developing like they did in TDK), sorry, I just don't think Catwoman will work for me. Other than being a hot woman in a leather outfit, I just never got any of the appeal (and for beautiful women in tight, sexy outfits, that's great but I can get that elsewhere). I've never cared for the character. Same with the Penguin. I love the story of Dr. Fries but can understand why they don't want to go that direction. Riddler could work if done right, Two-Face seemed a good choice (but presumably he's dead?), I understand the appeal with Talia, but I doubt that will happen (not sure if it should or not). I wouldn't be surprised to see the Scarecrow show up again, but would they want to make him the main villain? Looking at the Batman villains, there seem to be more that wouldn't fit into the Nolan view of the Batman universe than would.<p><p>Despite my misgivings, I'm curious to see what Nolan does with whichever villain (or auxiliary characters) he includes. He's done fine with Scarecrow, Ra's, the Joker, and Two-Face.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 4, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    All these great suggestions...

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    make me insanely glad that none of you are getting anywhere near the movie industry. No offence.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Bane? A fuckin Nacho Libre on roids

    by jackiechan

    as the ultimate villain Battie faces? Fuck me if that happens. There's absolutely nothing remotely interesting about that joke of a character. And no love interest either. Battie's in a pissed off, me against the world mindset for good. It would be totally contrary to where the character is at psycologically.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Batman Year 1..........

    by blackflowerX

    Has anyone commenting here actually read Batman Year One???!!! This shit has been begging to be made for 20 years .... The very fact that the Bat is seen as a villain by society would make a perfect in road for the Cat ,and no mother fucker apart from Nolan could make it as sweet........ Saying that , the guy is the only person who has made a comic to film interpretation actually worth watching IMO....So he could have a dollop of turd as the next villain and I still would lap it up .... He's a genius.

  • June 4, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    go away Pennsy Bell is box office poison

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    can't act

  • June 4, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Nolan has bigger plans for Scarecrow?

    by BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBILLCOSBY

    Riddler and Catwoman were at least hinted at in TDK. Penguin would make a fine mob boss. I'm fine with Joker being absent, we already seen one of his escape acts in TDK, and him just being locked up for the time being is believable. It would be fucking killer if he goes all 3 and balances it but thaats's just ludacris, and it would kill any return of scarecrow or rahs al gul

  • June 4, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Jeff Goldblum = Riddler

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    Now that would be one entertaining movie.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    never cast a TV actor?????

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    WTF, that is the dumbest thing i've ever read, an actor is an actor - if they fit the part then they would be cast, remember TV's bruce willis was cast in die hard, TV's Zachary quinto was cast in paramounts tentpole franchise reboot of star trek, hell even the dude from TV's nip/tuck was cast as the villan in fantastic 4 (and another TV actor was cast as the thing). Not to mention the TV actor steve carell that was given the lead in the 40 year old virgin or that other TV actor tim allen that was given the lead in disney's the santa clause. Even sam worthington was a TV actor before he was cast in avatar.<P> TV actors are fully capable of making the transition to film.<P>Whoever said that is a retard and i hope when Olivia wilde gets cast as catwoman you shot yourself out of shame

  • June 4, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    blackflowerX, Yes . . .

    by Dave I

    I've read Batman: Year One. Great comic. I still hate Catwoman. Sorry. Maybe I'll have a different outlook if/when I see a great presentation on-screen, but I'm just not a fan of her for some reason.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 4, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Ally Babble

    by Adam13

    Pretty sure it will be Chris Tucker as a re-imagined Ally Babble.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    di Caprio as The Riddler

    by Ye Not Guilty

    Christian Bale as Batman. Micheal Caine. Morgan Freeman. Leonardo di Caprio as Riddler. Directed by Christopher Nolan. It's Oscar time, baby.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Gary Coleman as Bat-Mite!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Oh shit...is Webster still alive?

  • June 4, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Riddler needs to be reimagined more like Jigsaw

    by Jobacca

    From SAW...imagine a Riddler that puts people in elaborate death traps as a way to test their wits. If you're not smart enough to solve the riddle,a bear-trap snaps the top of your head off....

  • June 4, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    What about Egghead????

    by smokie

    He could be played by Harvey Fierstein and come from the "Greenwich Village" section of Gotham. He menaces Gotham by threatening to make it "FABULOUS".

  • June 4, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    catwoman fills both an enemy and love interest role

    by ahdvd

    since Rachel is no longer in the picture, Catwoman/selina would fill that emotional void.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    EMILY BLUNT = CATWOMAN, ALTHOUGH....

    by gruemanlives

    I DON'T WANT CATWOMAN OR RIDDLER IN BATMAN 3. RIDDLER WOULD BE TOO SIMILAR TO JOKER. CATWOMAN DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A REAL THREAT OTHER THAN A CRAZY LOVE INTEREST. I WANT A THREAT ON A GRAND SCALE, NOT SOME LOVE/HATE RELATIONSHIP TO BE THE CONFLICT. THE PENGUIN COULD WORK. SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME THE THOUGHT OF THE FIRST FILM ESTABLISHING THE REIGN OF ORGANIZED CRIME, THE SECOND FILM DESTROYING ORGANIZED CRIME, AND THE THIRD BEING A RETURN TO ORGANIZED CRIME, BUT WITH A NEW FORM OF LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS WHY THE PENGUIN, VENTRILOQUIST, OR BLACK MASK WOULD BE MY CHOICE IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THE HEAD WITH IT.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Catwoman is the only one that makes sense because...

    by BoStrike1

    ...The Joker is Batmans antithesis. You cannot top him on a conceptual level. Riddler, Freeze, Penguin, etc are all one gimmick villains next to Joker because Joker manafests the chaod Batman opposes. Romance would be an excellent way to sidestep that problem and would allow them to tell a story about letting go of your hate, which would be a great way to end a potential Batman trilogy.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    SNOKIE

    by gruemanlives

    Hillarious thought!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    SMOKIE

    by gruemanlives

    Hillarious thought!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I would love if they used Hush - the character and the story lin

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Hush is next to the long halloween as one of the best batman stories, not only does it have hush (who is a great villan) but it also has appaearances by catwoman and the riddler<P>I say adapt the Hush story with the following actors<P>Olivia wilde as Catwoman<P>Joseph gordon Levit as the riddler<P>Leo DiCaprio as Hush

  • June 4, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I know this is a total shot in the dark

    by Crackfiji42

    But how cool would it be to see Clayface? Very I say.. But seriously Riddler is the most plausible in Nolan's Verse.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    BoStrike1

    by gruemanlives

    Really? Come on, that would be lame and too typical. Batman needs a grand threat. Keep in mind this could be Nolan and Bale's last Batman film, I want it to go out as an epic. Not about Bruce Wayne finding complicated love.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    THE LIZARD!!!

    by antonphd

    I'm tired of waiting for the lizard especially after all the teases in the other movies. I know the lizard is marvel but i don't care. If marvel won't put him in a film them put him in batman or even the prequel to 300. Just give me the fucking lizard already! actually just kidding i don't really care.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    @antonphd

    by smokie

    yeah man. How about Darth Vader and Hannibal Lector too. And Pricipal Ed Rooney from Ferris Buelers day off.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    gruemanlives

    by BoStrike1

    I was talking about ending the trilogy as well, but by having him make peace with his past and hang up the mask. You know, actually end it. There could absolutley be another villain in there for that to work, but I don't think one of the "masterminds" would fit well since they require so much character development. A stalking killer in the headlines like Croc or Grundy would allow them to focus on just bruce and selena without short changing the third character like Dent in TDK.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Casting...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    You know, as much as I like Michael C. Hall, I see him playing Thomas Elliot a.k.a. Hush. Now, for the Riddler, call me crazy, but I think David Tennant would be the perfect Riddler.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    You're all a bunch of Schumachers!

    by Fletch Gannon

    Some of the worst ideas for Batman ever are posted here! Some I know are for fun but alot are being serious with their ideas!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    The villain will be Swamp Thing.

    by Mostholy

    And Nolan is doing the crossover from the Alan Moore run. Hallucinogenic tubers, Anton Arcane's head, the whole nine. Nah, just kidding -- We all know it'll be Ambush Bug.<br /> Eh, I don't know. In terms of fitting into the Nolanverse. I've always liked the idea of Ray Winstone as The Penguin played straight -- no monocle or Monopoly Man costume, just a dapper well-connected sociopath with a funky nickname.<br /><br /> Either Marion Cotillard or Olivia Wilde would make for good Catwomen. Cotillard has more of the allure, but Wilde would probably be better at the physicality.<br /><br /> As for The Riddler, earliest guess would've been an actorly schlub like William H. Macy or Phillip Seymour Hoffman. But, again, probably not physical enough and would come across too Se7enish. Joseph Gordon-Leavitt might not actually be bad in the part.<br /><br /> It's hard to imagine Nolan delving much deeper into the Rogues' Gallery than these three. Top of hte second tier is Scarecrow and Two-Face, and they've been done.<br /><br /> Another possibility that hasn't come up much, and I know Nolan pooh-poohed it a few movies ago, is Robin. Especially after Hit-Girl, I suspect they'd cast older than the actual character -- Andrew Garfield?

  • June 4, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Torn on this...

    by PurityOfEssence

    I want to see the Joker again but at the same time they may be better off leaving this alone. The performance was perfect for the universe that Nolan and Company created. I think that it is such a risk for them to explore the character again that they may not want to hang the success of the film on another actor playing the same character.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Batman hanging it up

    by clupula

    Would be an awful way to end the trilogy. It has to end with him finally accepting that he is Batman and he is the only one who can save Gotham from the increasingly odder group of criminals that are going to be coming at him. Having him find love and quit would be the worst possible ending to the trilogy you could ever do.<BR><BR>And actually thinking about my Bane/Azrael/Talia idea, you could probably sneak the Penguin in there (even though I hate the character) as a very minor villain, as the mob boss who hires Bane. Don't ever have anyone call him "Penguin," except maybe once behind his back as an insult. I mean, I did have the mob involved in my idea, so might as well make people finally able to shut up about the Penguin by making him the mob boss who hires Bane (and is later killed by Azrael Batman). I wouldn't actually mind Bob Hoskins as that Penguin character.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    If he wants to be a real baddass...

    by BoStrike1

    He can tell the Robin origin story only to have Robin die at the end. The film could explore his fanaticism that way.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Kisten Bell - Box Office Poison.

    by RPLocke

  • June 4, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    I can't believe anyone is entertaining ANYONE for Penguin

    by Hercules

    besides Patton Oswalt Chesterfield Cobblepot.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    I choose

    by Juggernaut125

    Morena Baccarin for Catwoman (or Talia) and Terry Crews as Killer Croc. So there.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    by Juggernaut125

    You're crazy.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Clayface would be cool

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    he's one of my favoutite of the 50's sci fi villans, and if you've ever seen the animated series he worked well there, Nolan could pull it off but i probabaly won't just because he likes his villans down to earth (something which i think is terrible considering the source material)

  • June 4, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by gruemanlives

    Are you drunk?

  • June 4, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Now we have people claiming Hush was a good story?!

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    I've now seen everything.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Yes! Morena Baccarin as Catwoman!

    by Hercules

    I'm both drunk and right!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt Penguin....

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Herc....what have you been smoking!? While we are at it, lets cast Danny McBride as the Riddler!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    hahahaha

    by gruemanlives

    hahahaha. awesome.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    ....

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Riddle me this: "Who is fucking out, and who is fucking in?"

  • June 4, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin

    by clupula

    would be a very good Talia. No one would be a good Catwoman.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Actually Herc.

    by Juggernaut125

    You're drunk. I'M right!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    KENNY POWERS as Riddler

    by smokie

    good call Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

  • June 4, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin as Talia! (Fuck Catwoman!)

    by Zardoz

    Michelle Pfeiffer was iconic as Catwoman in Burton's film. We need a new villainess/love interest: Talia al ghul. She's perfect: a match for Batman, a love interest for Bruce and it completes the trilogy perfectly!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Ridler in Batman

    by CgrBkr

    I was just watching se7en and thought the ridler could be like spaceys character in the movie. Hell, it had the right feel and tone. The ridler taunting batman to find and solve the clues and staying just one step ahead of batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Fucking shame not to get Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Joker

    by Drath

    He truly is the best candidate to replace Heath, and I'm sick of the "it was too perfect to be followed up" bullcrap. Maybe they talked about it during Inception and said he didn't want to do it? Whatever, I think they've errored in not at least have a small part in the movie for a caged Joker like something from Silence of the Lambs. I know I'm slightly less excited for it now, and Inception is a little less special knowing it isn't leading to that perfect step of casting. Also, Paul Giamatti would be an excellent Penguin, there's just no one interested in writing that character.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Personal theory, keep two face alive.

    by JamesGANDERPeek

    Say they threw that memorial at the end of dark knight just to save face for the citizens of Gotham.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    PLEASE NO CATWOMAN

    by Waka_Flocka

    KILLER CROC!!!!!!!!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    How about if Nolan gives Batman a REAL mystery to solve.

    by avgary

    Since in both movies Batman has shown little insight into solving crime or using any super CSI-type evidence gathering. Make the last one a REAL MYSTERY that takes some intelligence to solve.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    danny as the riddler would be class haha

    by Waka_Flocka

  • June 4, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Other casting...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Hugh Jackman for Deadshot. David Bowie for Clock King. Vern Troyer for Bat-Mite. Herc for Batman's codpiece.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I did read Batman: Year One, but...

    by strosmer

    maybe i'm not remembering it clearly? i thought in that book that selina was inspired by batman and became catwoman for that reason? i guess i should reread it, but i was left with the impression that selina, as depicted in Year One, could easily be adapted to fit the plausibility of the nolanverse. that's really the point i wanted to make there.<p>but whatever. nolan will make it work, whoever he chooses to include, and however he chooses to include them. 2012 can't come soon enough.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Everyone keeps saying JGL

    by Juggernaut125

    to replace Ledger as The Joker. But I think he would be a wonderful Riddler. Off kilter, anti-social and completely full of himself and his intellect. Sees Batman as a true contemporary to match his insanely large brain against.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Pfeiffer was a great Catwoman

    by smokie

    That worked really well for Tim Burton's Gotham. Nolan's Catwoman will be much trickier. What if instead of a sexy Catwoman you had more of a tomboy or revolutionary Marxist type. That would be a cool twist on that character. An exact opposite type of vigilante than Batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    TO MAKE THIS FILM SUCCESSFUL...

    by gruemanlives

    1. Hire Pixar and animate the whole film. 2. Have product placements promoting healthy food choices for children. 3. Make it black and white. 4. Have it take place in Africa (Specifically in Kenya). 5. Have no villians. A viilian is uinecessary at this point. 6. Needs a 3-D water balloon fight. 7. Make it a sing-a-long musical. (A la Grease being re-released as a sing along movie in theatres.) 8. Hire Hercules to direct. (only under the current state he is in). 9. Hire David Spade to voice Batman. = Box Office Billions. 5.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Clayface!

    by Adelai Niska

    Bruce is so torn about how things went in TDK that he recedes into his new persona- Matches Malone. He only appears rarely as Batman, and almost never as Bruce Wayne. Meanwhile a master of disguise (or shapeshifter if it can be done) shows up and starts to impersonate Batman while commiting serious crimes. Batman's a fugitive anyway, so why not pin the blame on him? Bruce lets it happen since it means he doesn't have to be out baiting the cops every night. Eventually he is drawn back to his real life/lives as Bruce and Batman, donning the cowl again to take out Clayface before he murderes Gordon.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Here is something...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Why don't they do stunt casting, and pick Lady Ga-Ga for Catwoman. I could see her doing it, and it would bring in bookue's of dollars.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    umm, no. Two face is DEAD

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    in nolans real world how could he have survived that fall, batman had armor and even he looked pretty fucked up after (he was even knocked out) and if you use the theory that the memorial was just for show, it makes gordon and batman look pretty dumb considering The decided to give long speeches rather then help a dude who was unconscience and likely internally bleeding after the fall. No, they didn't help him because he was dead.<P>Plus having harvey alive completley destorys what the dark knight spent 2 and a half hours doing, which was setting up batman as the vigilante, Batman 3 needs to start with the people of gotham believing Batman committed all those murders and then killed harvey. Negatting that setup is something Mc G would do in a third film, not a real filmakier like chris nolan

  • June 4, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    KING TUT with RIDDLER

    by eddieVroom

    Egyptian-themed secret societies. Badass hax0r skillz. They are everyone and no one. Know one?

  • June 4, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    No Riddler!

    by severianx1

    Too fucking cheesy. The lack of imagination shown by many of the posters here is beyond belief. Here is a character that has been around for decades, has had and still has numerous publications featuring his adventures, has fought numerous villains in numerous storylines and all you dumbasses can think of is Joker/Riddler/Catwoman/Penguin. Particularly lame are those whining about no Joker. They already did that, fools. And in case you didn't notice, Joker has not appeared in every single Batman comic or storyline, and the excellent animated series of the nineties managed to churn out plenty of excellent episodes without any Joker in them. They need to step it up in the third installment and look beyond the obvious. I would even go so far as to say that maybe creating a new villain might be in order. What I want to see is Batman up against someone who poses a serious physical challenge. It would be awesome if the Knightfall saga could be brought to the big screen, but I don't think that would work with this incarnation of Batman.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Jeffery Dean Morgan for Dead shot

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    i know he probabaly doesn't want to get trapped in all these comic book roles, but JdM as deadshot would be sweet

  • June 4, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Jackie Earl Haley as Nutty Creepy Guy

    by RPLocke

    He can be a mob Boss.

  • June 4, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    One villian no one has mentioned!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Hugo Strange. That could be fucking awesome. A bald Ben Linus for the win!

  • June 4, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I fast forward through TDK

    by smokie

    To be perfectly honest the only parts I enjoy are the Joker scenes. The rest of the movie bores me.

  • June 5, 2010, midnight CST

    LaBeouf or Yelchin

    by Terrmaster

    for Robin. Don't fucking question it. I'm right and you're wrong.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    The one thing that bugs me about TDK

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    is where Batman jumped out the window to catch Rachel Dawes:Take 2. So...I guess the Joker just stayed and mingled with the crowd, ate some more shrimp, and then, called it a night? lol

  • June 5, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Wow redbull, deadshot?

    by JamesGANDERPeek

    You question my theory but you want to all of a sudden jump into secret six and villains united characters? You're worse than the nightwing and robin fanboys haha.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donell for Catwoman!!

    by smokie

    In a leather bodysuit. <br> <br>And with that I bid you goodnite. <br> <br> Have sweet dreams kids.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    King Tut and Catwoman?

    by eddieVroom

    Didn't they team them up for a couple eps of the Adam West Batman? I like the idea of Penguin being a minor character, I can see a mobster with a hint of scar tissue bridging the pinkie to the third finger. And I still think a LOT could be done with Tut via the Secret Society angle. And Riddler tapping that body of esoterica and the secrets of the Fellowship's more prominent members...

  • June 5, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    BANE FOR THE VILLAIN

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Done right -- highly intelligent, cunning anti-Batman. Maybe played by Javier Bardem with CGI assists when on venom.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Remember the curse of every comic book movie, the third will alw

    by JamesGANDERPeek

    Hopefully Nolan can break this curse.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Al Pacino as Hugo Strange

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    now, that would be awesome

  • June 5, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Third will always suck**

    by JamesGANDERPeek

  • June 5, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Huh, the Joseph Gordon-Levitt suggestion...

    by Jaka

    ...I was thinking he was somebody else. Did a search for him and now I can see what people would suggest him for The Joker if Nolan does another movie with that character. However, it's just too soon. There needs to be another movie first so people won't just go into it comparing the two actors instead of actually watching the movie.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    More Casting....lol

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Christopher Loyd as Ventriloquist, and Warwick Davis as the Ass Puppet.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    off topic, is the new Harry animation...

    by strosmer

    supposed to be Gene Tierney in Leave Her to Heaven? nice obscure movie reference there. that was a helluva scene on the lake. has there ever been a colder bitch than Ellen Berent Harland in a movie? i'm hard-pressed to think of one.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    MARMADUKE REVIEW JUST POSTED

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Guess the producers forgot to pay their AICN protection money.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Since people are going at this so seriously...

    by Jaka

    ...I say Ras/Thalia. No Catwoman. I don't want Catwoman in this Batman's world. Although I agree with people who say Nolan would do it differently, Catwoman has always been a cheesy character for me.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    How about no third Batman?

    by Star Hump

    Yeah, that sounds right. Quit while you're ahead. Enough with the Batman movies. The last thing the world needs is Patrick Bateman doing his God-awful growly growly voice while he wears a black cantaloupe on his head.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I second Javier Bardem

    by clupula

    as Bane.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Michael_Jacksons_Ghost: I already mentioned Hugo Strange

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Read the fucking thread before you make an ass of yourself.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    who has time to read the whole thread?

    by smokie

  • June 5, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    how cool would it be to see Ras al gouhl return

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    the imortality of ra's was hinted at so obviously nolan was open to it

  • June 5, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    More Casting News...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Crispin_Glovers_Acid_Flashback as Glory Hole Bum #2.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    The new villian should be FACEBOOK

    by Ye Not Guilty

    Bruce Wayne gives up being Batman after he gets addicted to playing Farmville on Facebook! Barbara Gordon dons the cowl as Batgirl! Thus setting Batgirl up for her own franchise.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Jeff Dunham for Scarface

    by Geomancer21

    You know it to be true.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I'd like to see the Riddler...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    ...playing off the serial killer obsession of taunting those who would like to catch him. More of a Jack the Ripper vibe than the smarmy "I'm-So-Fucking-Clever" egomaniac...I can just see it: The Clues Are In Place. Can The Batman Solve The Riddle In Time To Save Something REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT, and not just Alfred dangling over a pool of crocodiles or some such shit?

  • June 5, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to sparkle motion

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    CTRL + F + [keyword] = successful thread skimming. CYA, talkbackers. Now: as a glory hole bum, am I getting fellated, or smoking a meat cigar?

  • June 5, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Only one thing is guaranteed

    by MR. MURDOCH

    This movie will be made, and most of you will be disappointed. ;-)

  • June 5, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Redbull_werewolf

    by inkingeekX

    Thanks for the hush love, not sure if I agree with your casting tho. I like Olivia Wilde, but I gotta go with the above suggestion of Guy Pearce as riddler. As for Hush... That's a conundrum

  • June 5, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Catwoman needs to be his love interest

    by thot

    After the very dark and dour The Dark Knight, Bruce is deeply in need of a playful love interest, aka Selina Kyle. The whole Catwoman/Batman dynamic would be the perfect backdrop to the next story, no matter who, or what, the next villain is. Done right, it could be very cool.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Love Guy Pierce, but...

    by MR. MURDOCH

    He seems to have an "allergy" towards anything to do with "Hollywood"...including Nolan (who, if rumor stands, has considered him for/offered him *both* Batman *and* Harvey Dent)

  • June 5, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Lol at Crispin

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    The role of Glory Hole Bum #2 is the guy in line waiting for his turn. Now as for sucking the pole, or getting knobbed on, that's for the viewers imagination.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    So no one wants Depp

    by MR. MURDOCH

    to reprise the "Mad Hatter" for Bats 3, then...? ;-)

  • June 5, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Its too bad The Dead Pool did the RC car bombs already, but

    by Geomancer21

    I wouldn't mind seeing the Grey Ghost story in movie form.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST

    No, he doesn't NEED a love interest

    by Jaka

    Particularly after two women already played one character that they killed off. Just leave it alone. I don't think people are really looking for a Batman love story from this particular group of participants.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Joker/Heath Cameo....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "I thought they'd pull a Superman Returns (with Marlon Brando) and use snippets of spare material to construct a cameo of him in the shadows of an Arkham Asylum cell, closing out the whole trilogy with a real kick!".........Spooky that you mentioned that b/c I was thinking of the same exact thing. I doubt Nolan would ever do it though b/c he might see that as a sign of disrespect and ultimately it's not something we could ever get a true pay-off to since sadly Heath is gone. It still would be awesome though in a weird yet fitting way.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    @CRISPIN_GLOVERS_

    by smokie

    I think you'll go for the meat cigar. Just remember, don't inhale.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    thanks for the skimming function

    by smokie

    I had no idea about that.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Two Words

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Calendar Man.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I like the catwoman as a young tomboy vigilante idea

    by Johnno

    She'd be like Robin, except way better!

  • June 5, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Mr. Murdoch

    by inkingeekX

    I like Depp fir the Riddler role, but I'm not sure he can receive email or get cell signal so far inside of Tim Burton's ass, so with no way to contact him- I'm pulling for Pierce

  • June 5, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    SO many ideas

    by schadenfreudian

    Clayface? Killer Croc? Mr. Freeze? <br> Some of you guys really need to get your hands on a camera and shoot your own movies. Not because your ideas are any good, but because they'd be funny as fuck to see.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Burton

    by nukeboy1970

    Had no fucking understanding of Batman at all. Read the interviews. He didn't get Batman. That is why the first one is Jack Nicholson hamming it up to Prince instead of playing the Joker. I don't consider anything about this movie to be iconic.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Smokie, Johnno.

    by Mostholy

    I hadn't thought about Catwoman that way before, but it makes thematic sense. The Heath Joker was a happy anarchist, so they've done the order v. chaos bit. But a Catwoman who argued that Bats was fighting for the *wrong* order (and why wouldn't he, being a billionaire, yadda yadda yadda) adds a different dimension. With that and the romance angle, you have your character dynamics.<br /><br /> Plus just as Lucius Fox and the warrantless wiretapping machine was timely for 2008, this -- thanks to the Tea Party moron fringe -- would be timely for 2011...omg creeping socializms. So I definitely think you may be on to something.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    The Fiddler

    by teddy_duchamp

    He could be a pedophile, or just a guy with an itchy groin. Or maybe a skinny Irish guy who torments batman by playing an old fiddle really quickly. I like the idea of The Pengwench as mentioned above. On a serious note,we need some sex injection in the next film. Catwoman please mr Nolan.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    The Fiddler

    by teddy_duchamp

    He could be a pedophile, or just a guy with an itchy groin. Or maybe a skinny Irish guy who torments batman by playing an old fiddle really quickly. I like the idea of The Pengwench as mentioned above. On a serious note,we need some sex injection in the next film. Catwoman please mr Nolan.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Semantics, semantics nukeboy

    by MR. MURDOCH

    I think Nolan's Batman movies are equally silly from a different perspective. Sorry, "when forced to make a choice," I'll take Pfeiffer and Keaton's interpretations anyday over Eckhart's bland, boring Dent, Gyllanhal's eternal frown, and Bale's growl.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman can all work in Nolanverse

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Penguin should be a rich succesful industrialist like Bruce (a competitor), but unlike Bruce did not inherit the money/business, is self made, a mayoral candidate, but secretly a mob boss. The mobsters know him as The Penguin, not seen by many mobsters but the ones who have seen glimpses, notice how he always seems to be wearing a tux. No deformities, not fat and short. Slightly younger than Bruce also popular with the ladies played by Tom Hardy (Bronson). <br />The Penguin as a mayoral candidate obviously is against Batman and talks about the escalation he has caused, i.e. Two Face and Joker. Through his connections he brings in a detective from outside of Gotham to help lead the hunt for Batman, find out who he is. <br />This detective, is a genuine, honest guy, dedicated, but is too obsessed with solving all the mysteries. He is suffering for being unable to find his daughter's killer. Unknown to him his mind created a split personality when he attempted suicide, after failing to find his daughter's killer. This split personality creates mysteries, so that he can solve them and get a temproary sense of resolution. Of course the split personality is The Riddler. There is also escalation in Riddler's mysteries with mass murder being part of the equation. The Riddler played by Guy Pearce.<br />So with Batman dealing with being hunted, trying to stop the Riddler and find out who he is, in comes a European girl into his life. A sexy, sophisticated girl, who loves to steal for the thrill of it. She uses the name Selina Kyle, but her real name is Talia A Ghul. She knows Batman is responsible for her Father's death, but doesn't know about the Bruce Wayne connection. Played by Marion Cotillard<br />Think the Talia piece helps tie it back to the first and the start of Nolan's trilogy.<br />Also think an Arkham cameo with Joker and Scarecrow and a few others unseen (before in Nolan's movies) would be great as well.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    They shouldn't compromise and avoid the Joker

    by TheSecondQuest

    If the original story intent was to bring the Joker back for the 3rd film, then they shouldn't compromise the story because of Heath's passing. I mean, I'd rather the story's integrity remain with a new actor seen as filling the shoes of another rather than having another character(s) seen as filling in for the Joker- it just weakens the story because we'll all be able to see it. Now, if they intend to go in a different direction completely, fine, but I'd rather they stick to their guns.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Nukeboy, Murdoch

    by inkingeekX

    There's no need for violence- they're both great in their own way, the Batmans and Beetlejuice were burton's last watchable films. They are totally opposite ends of the spectrum, but both equally good. But I still say fuckall to the nipples on the batsuit

  • June 5, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    I think the ORIGINAL original intent

    by MR. MURDOCH

    was to bring BOTH the Joker and Harv back for #3 -- Research Goyer's 2005 interview in the PREMIERE Mag feature article on "Batman Begins"... They obviously changed their perspective somewhere along the way...and even more once they/we lost Ledger.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Riddler

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    I went with Guy Pearce, Leo is the other choice

  • June 5, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    A zodiac riddler is stupid

    by TheJudger

    might as well just call it se7en if you want to do the killer who leaves cryptic clues. Gordon becomes the Freeman role, and the Rookie becomes Batman or a Robin like character, and Batman is a shadow until the end. Fuck that!!!!!!!!!!!!! <P> I want a movie that opens up with an insane prison riot being broken up by a swat team. The camera pans across a group of cells and finally closing in on one with a man knelt over a pyre of burning bodies. He's slamming a kitchen pan into something on the ground. We see his blood drenched hand gripping the handle, the tips of the fingers cut off. The pan slams into a collection of white teeth resting on the tile floor, turning them into dust. He pulls a kitchen knife from a corpse in the fire he races to the mirror. We still haven't seen his face. The camera closes in behind his head as he digs the hot kitchen knife into his face, cutting off bits of flesh. He tosses them away like unwanted table scraps into the pyre. The riot squad is closing in on the cell. Our disfigure mystery man runs the knife across his chest, carving a question mark across it's surface. The guards are at a lose for words when they get to this cell. The figure holds the knife out towards them. They hit him with a taser. Fade out.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST

    inking, agree on Beetlejuice

    by MR. MURDOCH

    disagree on Burton's Bats. Find them both HIGHLY rewatchable. Can't say the same for TDK. Begins? more tolerable, and interesting.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Herc what is your obsession with Patton Oswalt ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Is it because he worked with your God (yes of course Whedon) ?

  • June 5, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Ledger was hard to beat, but

    by inkingeekX

    I think if they go the "show joker in a darkly lit padded cell in arkham" route, Charlie Hunnam would fit nicely. The question is, what actor in his right mind would even try to play the joker now? Nicholson and ledger were both so good and so opposite, anything in between would be unacceptable. And who the he'll would want to copy someone elses performance?

  • June 5, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    a zodiac type riddler is the way to go

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Otherwise you really just have Joker comparrisons, they will happen either way, but we already had a crazy violent guy

  • June 5, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I say a drugged out Riddler

    by DeceitfulNinja

    Make him the coked out Gotham drug king. Instead of leaving Riddles because that's simple his MO he'll spout them out because it's a nervous tweak.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:30 a.m. CST

    but that was se7en

    by TheJudger

    we dont need that. It's been done. Dare to do something new. I'm sorry i dont want a dead body easter egg hunt movie. Thats what se7en was. One day body a new set of clues, two guys, one seasoned another a rookie having to work with one another to solve the mystery. A son of same zodiac angle is too small for batman. A stupid little people killer. No... Batman needs a villain as large as he is. Not some like bitch jack the ripper fuck running around leaving corpses with clues.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:34 a.m. CST

    fuck these spirits be too eager- tryover

    by TheJudger

    We dont need that. It's been done, more than once already. Dare to do something new. I'm sorry I dont want a dead body easter egg hunt movie. That's what Se7en and Zodiac was. New dead body, new set of clues or taunts, two guys, one seasoned, another a rookie, Or one them is press another one is a detective, having to work with one another to solve the mystery. A son of sam, zodiac angle is too small for batman. A stupid little people killer. No... Batman needs a villain as large as he is. Not some like bitch jack the ripper fuck running around leaving corpses with clues. Gotham and it's order has to be challenged like it has never been challenged before. We already know the tie with batman and the police and yada yada ya is heavy enough to bake the cake. Put someone into the game that really knows how to turn the screws and this could be epic.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Catwoman Could be Morgan Freeman's girlfriend

    by RPLocke

    say that Fox has a girlfriend in this one because he's retired since Batman is on the run, but the woman is just using Fox because she wants to murder Alfred so Batman is forced to come back.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Batman versus the talkback armies...

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    Even the Dark Knight is powerless against legions of frustrated screenwriters in deadend jobs. How will he fight against cliched ideas of super-cereal Riddlers or Catwomen? He can't, so Batman eats a bullet in the first ten minutes and the next two hours are credits.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Talia

    by Bass Ackwards

    Rachel Weisz. That is all.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Has fucking Herc passed out yet?

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    funny how that works..a talkbacker gets drunk and spams..they get banned..an AICN writer gets drunk and stupid..I bet they get a "thats good work lou" text from Harry

  • June 5, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING like it

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Bats v Nerd Rage, "Damn you for Dark Knight, crtically acclaimed, popular and finacially succesful, how dare you!!!" <br />Nerd Rage can look like the Smoke Monster from Lost

  • June 5, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Bass

    by MR. MURDOCH

    I could eat...er deal with that. Either way, TALIA should be in this movie. Remember Nolan's comments about "We want to end OUR STORY." Seems logical, to me. It began with Ra's, it shall end with his kin (and perhaps he, himself).

  • June 5, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Someone wake up Herc!

    by RPLocke

  • June 5, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Herc couldn't have been that drunk

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    We didn't get a "I wannna suck Joss's cock"

  • June 5, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Herc loves the WHEDOO?

    by MR. MURDOCH

    OK, NOW I understand why he hates "Smallville" SO much...

  • June 5, 2010, 1:57 a.m. CST

    TheSecondQuest, I agree/disagree

    by Jaka

    Like I've said already, avoiding the Joker right now is not a bad idea because of the distraction factor. But I do agree with you regarding taking it a different direction vs switching to a different villain and using whatever ideas they had before. They can always come back to the Joker again in film four (fingers crossed) when there won't be so much "but it's not exactly like Heath Ledger" going on.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Some catwoman play about

    by TheJudger

    She could be the mistress of someone running for governor. He has mob ties, he might be growing tired of her demands to end his relationship with his wife, that or he feels that media attention on him is too large. or maybe his ties to the mob have remained pretty unknown and she found out about them. Basically her knowledge of this and any media knowledge of his infidelity could ruin his political career, so he decides to have her dealt with and he uses the mob to do it so his hands remain clean. She's a vet she owns her own practice they decide to attack her there. They kill her cats, they rape her and set the place on fire, she is shot in the head and left for dead, but she doesn't die. Batman saves her. He takes her to a hospital. She remains in coma for a few months. When she breaks free of the coma she has no knowledge of the events that transpired, in fact she doesn't know who she is. Bruce Wayne enters her life, yes on purpose. She starts to have nightmares involving cats tearing her flesh apart. She recalls who she is after watching the newly elected governor giving a victory speech on tv, she figures out that Bruce is batman somehow, and she uses his gear to disguise herself when she goes out to seek revenge. Batman spends the rest of the film trying to stop her murderous rampage. She starts with the mob.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Joke could be in III

    by RPLocke

    Have Gordon look through Joker's case file. Have a picture or two, and then have them stamp ARKHAM on the file The End.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt

    by INWOsuxRED

    should be Doctor Octopus in a Spider-Man reboot. Personally, I'm not terribly excited for a new Batman, but I'm glad it is being done by Nolan and not people in the talkbacks. Hopefully he is able to hit on something that nobody else has, because I have no interest in these ideas.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    in fact

    by TheJudger

    You could play with that a little more so that when she figures out that Batman is Bruce, it leads her to suspect that he is also involved in the whole hot mess. Once she knows about him, knows about his ties with Gordon, knows about the two face cover up. Why shouldn't she suspect that he might be tied in with the new governor.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    would love to see the Knightfall story bought to the big screen

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    but can't see it happening under Nolan.<br />Also would spread it out over a couple of movies

  • June 5, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Next

    by bubba54

    Knightfall would be good but then Hush would fit in great with this vision of batman?

  • June 5, 2010, 2:20 a.m. CST

    William Fichtner as Riddler

    by ihatetalkbacks

    I thought William Fichtner would be back as the bank manager now being the Riddler - theres the line "what doesnt kill us only makes us... stranger" what was his contract? I also think the Cats comment was a give away too.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Batman 3 viral marketing has started!!!!!

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    http://tinyurl.com/2bdb946

  • June 5, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Robin?

    by ihatetalkbacks

    If it is Cat woman they could have a female Robin as in the Dark Knight graphic novel. He said he would not do it though. The character could have a redemptive effect on Bruce as he has lost everything, i think Alfred will buy the farm in thisone. A female Robin would also be a could double with Catwoman - different versions of femininity.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Anyone who mentions Bane...

    by tailhook

    should just shut the fuck up. That's a character nobody ever wants to see in or near the Batman franchise again. I don't even view that 'character' as being in or existing in any variation of the Batman Universe. Blame Joel S.

  • June 5, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Title should be: GOTHAM CITY

    by Fineus Fog

    Riddler - played by Micheal C Hall. That would be cool

  • June 5, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon to play the Puzzler, a genetic hybrid

    by brodiebruce_405

    of the Joker and the Riddler. He dies at the end, of course, but he leaves behind children: The Singer, the storyteller, the construction worker...

  • June 5, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    The Light Tweaker is Batmans Greatest Arch Villian

    by TheJudger

    coke, hookers, lozenges, and needy mother sister relatives can not compare.

  • June 5, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Hugh laurie for Riddler

    by ORIONgods

  • June 5, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Deathstroke and Man-Bat should be villians

    by Monkey_King

    Gotham's underworld hires assassin Slade Wilson to take out the Bat, while Bruce's friend Dr. Langstrom goes off the deep end...of many buildings in Gotham.

  • June 5, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Dr. Hugo Strange

    by CuervoJones

    That´s my bet.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Robin

    by my liege

    If they're gonna have Dick Grayson PLEASE cast an actual child and not some 20something. Think Daniel Radcliffe circa Chamber of Secrets. And be real about it ie. he won't be taking down villains the size of Bane or something. Have him going on reconnaissance and that.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Tina Fey as The Joker

    by Charles Calthrop

    When the studio sees that they can cut the makeup budget in half, The Joker will be back.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Riddler? Are you guys serious?

    by MariusXe

    He is one of the most boring and non threatening Batman villains ever! Its like wanting Killer Moth to headline Batman 3! No way Riddler should be number one baddy. I want to see Black Mask or Hush done right as Villain and Catwoman as love interest in a grey area (anyone who say "no loveinterests in the next batman" is kidding himself. like they are going to make a movie without a love angle) and Dick Grayson as little kid that Bruce adopts who pulls him out of the shadows a bit.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Does anybody remember...

    by carraway

    The Marshall Rogers/Steve Englehart Clayface ? Very dark tragic figure. Also why not Hush? No matter, Nolans going to do his own thing with whoever he decides on.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Riddler? Bill Nighy. End of conversation.

    by palimpsest

    If he's gonna feature Catwoman, let it be Carrie Ann Moss - a) Nolan likes working with her and b) the combo of the MATRIX movies showing she can do that kind of stunt-heavy PVC work plus her odd mix of hardness and vulnerability would make for an interesting villain. Penguin? Giamatti, umless he gets Richard Griffiths in to play a psychotic version of Uncle Monty.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:32 a.m. CST

    finest depiction???

    by Apple Octopus

    Brokeback Ledger's depiction was lame, and if he hadn't become Worm Chow, the movie's gross would have been about half of what it was. The perfect Joker would be something right in the middle between Nicholson's and Ledger's performances.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Give Adam West his cameo in #3!

    by Apple Octopus

    He IS part of the Batman legacy, and does deserve at least a 1-second man-in-the-crowd appearance.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Ledger could return as the Joker...

    by saultonofswing

    In the form of deleted scenes, alternate takes, and ADR outtakes. There was no extra footage on the DVD. Probably won't happen but it's an option, especially if they take "The Long Halloween" route...

  • June 5, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Bryan Cranston as Norman Osbourne

    by JamesGANDERPeek

    Nuff said.

  • June 5, 2010, 6 a.m. CST

    THESE ARE THE VILLAINS

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    in pecking order: 1. The Penguin 2. Catwoman 3. the Riddler

  • June 5, 2010, 6:01 a.m. CST

    A Nolan-esque Riddler would probaby be like...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...SE7EN'S John Doe: he leaves his riddles on carved up corpses.<p> Maybe the fugitive Batman has to pursue him through Gotham's underworld by joining forces with a mob boss nicknamed "The Penguin" and a female cat burglar...

  • June 5, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    ya

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    the Riddler fits perfectly

  • June 5, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    You want this tit-monster? Seriously?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Count me out.

  • ...it 'might' shut you all up. I remember the stick Heath Ledger came in for when he was cast. Talkbackers, mostly kuntz.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Who is the girl in the pic above?

    by teddy_duchamp

  • June 5, 2010, 7:31 a.m. CST

    I love that everyone wants Cotilliard

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    based on a FAN MADE POSTER

  • June 5, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Photo is Megan Van Burkleo

    by BSGDAN

    She's a great Cosplay artist. Here's the link to her site: http://www.meaganvanburkleo.com/ Check out her awesome Zatanna pics.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    DeceitfulNinja

    by harshguy

    Great idea for a coked out Riddler. I would love any of the following dudes mentioned above to play him: Guy Pierce (my fav choice), Hugh Laurie, Leo, Macy, or Sam Rockwell. <br/> <br/> Catwoman, meh, I guess, but fuck no for the Penquin.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    IN NOLAN I TRUST

    by harshguy

    forgot to add that shit

  • June 5, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Why the hell do people

    by clupula

    want a Zodiac-like Riddler? That's not even the character. If you're going to go with a serial killer, they already established Zsasz in the first one. To me, wanting the Riddler to be a serial killer is acknowledging how lame the character is, in that you want to change him to be something else.<BR><BR>And the Penguin running for Mayor? Jesus, haven't seen that before, have we?

  • June 5, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Third Rock Kid

    by Those_arent_pillows

    Is a tiny shrimp....and annoying, did I mention that?

  • June 5, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    TAS' first Clayface two-parter...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    was actually kind of shitty. I had always remembered it being awesome, but it ended up being horribly corny, poorly written, and even animated bizarrely. One of the few weak episodes in the series. Of course, subsequent Clayface episodes rocked.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Mr Freeze would kick ass

    by Kentucky Colonel

    The real Mr. Freeze, at least as he was portrayed on Batman TAS (& Sub-Zero) would make a kick ass, compelling "villian". It would be awesome if they could ressurect Vincent Price and make the new villian Egghead.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by BSGDAN

    Jack Nicholson was not a great Joker. He was, however, a great JACK NICHOLSON. He did not create a great performance for that film. Instead, he merely did his usual "Jack" thing is a Joker costume. I saw nothing in "Batman" that I hadn't seen already in his other films (especially "The Witches of Eastwick", which was only two years before). Yes, Nicholson is always fun to watch, but it was obvious that he was merely phoning-in his performance for a huge payday. Heath Ledger gave a great performance that was absolutely nothing like his previous work, and he absolutely deserved that Oscar.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I wish people would stop thinking this role died with Ledger.

    by Holeman

    It fucking didn't. Another actor can come along and put their own spin on it, it's not going to somehow lessen Ledger's performance. All this fucking reverence toward THE JOKER needs to fucking end. Seriously.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    And here's the weiner...

    by mtl2

    My first thought when seeing the pic of the chic was Jokers ex brood and not catwoman furthermoore a new riddler would be cool and I would love to see Leo Dicaprio bring justice to that role and pown Carreys ass for evermore. Woot.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Romero, yes, Ledger, yes, Nicholson, meh...

    by skellngtn

    I remember donning my Batman logo shirt and waiting in a long line to see the first midnight screening of the first Burton Batman movie...and remember at some point early on really not liking the movie. The Prince music didn't help, though I did buy the cd- only to use it in an art project for school years later when i needed a cd and jewel case. And for some reason I thought Nicholson wasn't a very good Joker...he was just Jack Nicholson wearing make-up. Never saw the love for his version of the character.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Killer Croc?

    by Terrmaster

    Make him a circus freak in the same troupe as The Flying Graysons. Boom.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn instead of Catwoman

    by brocknroll

    Harley Quinn is a young girl dressed up as a jester who's all psychotic, more brutal and more evil than Catwoman would ever be. Harley Quinn is a popular Batman villain that's been used in the comics and the cartoon series. Harley hasn't yet been used for live action movies. If there was a female villain to be used for the next Batman flick, my choice is Harley. Catwoman and Poison Ivy were already used in the flicks, time for something different.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    And

    by Terrmaster

    Terry Crews could play him. Make him just a muscle guy with weird skin. And instead of having people come fuck up the circus one night, just let it be. Use it like Iron Man one used SHIELD. Nolan wouldn't have to address those things directly, so he wins.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    No Harley

    by Terrmaster

    All the Heath fangirls already have the same level of rabid obsession, and I, for one, don't want to see that in a film.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Totally agree

    by clupula

    on Nicholson. He was the only thing amusing about that movie, but he was NOT the Joker.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    They've got to go with Crazy Quilt or Killer Moth.

    by Uncle Stan

  • June 5, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Nicholson

    by Terrmaster

    Played Jack Nicholson with green hair. No acting required.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Giant typewriter, please

    by Gojira_X

  • June 5, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Hope they don't pull an Iron Man2 and we get...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...Question Bird. "We sort of combined two Batman villains." Also Catwoman is now Russian. Just because.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Gojira_X, it's been upgraded.

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    Now it's a giant iPad.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    @JackieChan regarding Bane

    by MAD_MIKE

    Actually, the whole Luche dore Idea is there because it helps move away from the whole Santa Prisca srving his mothers prison sentence thing. <P> It also helps with the VENOM part of his story. <P> Also you obviously never read any of the Denny O'Neal Knightfall books where he showed that Bane is actually a very capable tactition who wore Batman down and kept him distracted while he took over Gotham. <P> so basically in a film with him and Penguin, he could be playing both sides. Penguins and his own. <P> If you wanted to use the Riddler in a story like tis, you cold have him be like a Terrorist that likes to taunt those he is terrorizing, but you could also have him throwing a wrench into Penguins plans because maybe Penguin is responsible for some event that changed this guys life for good. <P> <P> THe primary thing with the Riddler, is he needs the right motivation. In the comics it was just that he felt his Genius was overlooked by those around him. <P> Sorry but that is some TV movie of the week motivation. It would have to be bigger. <P> Also with the Nolans bent on slipping in social commentary, it would have to have something to do with the overall state of the world. <P> In film, no Idea is to preposterous. Everything can be made to work, so keep an open mind.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Why my friend Hercules is dead hungover by Harry Knowles

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • June 5, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Sam Worthington as Mr. Freeze

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    How many of us DON'T want our heroes...

    by EastcoastAvenger

    to be in exclusive worlds where they will never meet? I for one think seeing a Nolan Batman dealing with a Superman among us would be fascinating. If Batman was warned of the villainous escalation that would ensue upon his coming onto the scene I can only imagine this lesson scaring the bat crap out of Mr. Wayne if he were to apply it to one such as Superman. I mean, if the world had to deal with Joker and the like due to Batman what would be the consequence of having a cosmic powerhouse like Superman living among us? Spooky! Seeing how Batman deals with something like that would be awesome!

  • June 5, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Hugo Strange and Arkum Asylum

    by Ivan_Mtl

    I could see a third Christopher Nolan Batman film in which Batman is captured by the police, unmasked, and eventually declared mentally unstable by Gotham City’s court appointed psychiatrist, Dr. Hugo Strange. He would then be sent to Arkham Asylum where many of the villains he has captured in the past (between films) anxiously await his arrival. We already know that the Scarecrow is there (thus making him a character that would appear in all three films), and Killer Croc was also glimpsed in the second film. I’m sure there are several other “lesser” Batman villains which could fit into the realistic world Nolan has created for his Batman. In the end, with Batman’s identity already revealed to the world, it would effectively mean the end of his career as a crimefighter. Maybe he could stage his own death, and then disappear into the shadows for a number of years, only to re-emerge as the Dark Knight in the next series of films based on Frank Miller’s classic storyline.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    nicholson was good for the time

    by imagegod

    but since i'm not 13 anymore, i can see that all he was doing was being his wacky One flew over the cuckoo's nest character. mildly entertaining but not really the Joker. there was never a scary moment with him which is essential in any psychopathic murderer, especially the Joker. <p> also, for those that want Batman to have a new love interest in Catwoman or Talia - go fucking watch sex and the city or ps i fucking love you or some shit. no romance needed in a batman film unless it revolves around the chick being killed and pissing Bats off.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    BP, CitiCorp, AIG...

    by smokie

    There's your villains. <br> <br> Go Batman!

  • June 5, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Everyone bitching about Ledger's lack of theatricality

    by Terrmaster

    It's different than a cartoon, guys. They made a real movie. With a bad guy. Like, one that the viewer can take seriously.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    people who didn't like Ledger??

    by smokie

    Seriously?? Come on now people. I understand that you feel empowered by belittling everything and posting about it on this site. But give some credit where its do. <br> <br> It's time to pull the cob of corn out of your own asses and get out and enjoy life a little.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    why do people keep writting "se7en"?

    by Ditko

    It´s even a pain in the ass, to look for the 7 instead of the S. "Se7en" was a marketing ploy, nothing more. I swear some of you are just a bunch of sheep.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Ditko

    by BSGDAN

    They're looking for the "V", not the "S".

  • June 5, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    clupula

    by BurnHollywood

    "Why the hell do people want a Zodiac-like Riddler? That's not even the character. If you're going to go with a serial killer, they already established Zsasz in the first one. To me, wanting the Riddler to be a serial killer is acknowledging how lame the character is, in that you want to change him to be something else."<p> The problem with your "Zsasz" idea is I had to actually Google him before I knew who the fuck he was. Same goes for all these clowns crying out for Bane or Deadshot...no one outside of a comic store knows who the fuck they are. Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate, Gawddammit.<p> Long story short, the list boils down The Riddler, The Penguin and/or Catwoman, simply for the sake of pop familiarity. In fact, if you would bother to think about it, the only reason Nolan went with Al Ghul and The Scarecrow in BEGINS was because the studio was so desperate to do something new with the villains on the reboot, they were hollering for new blood. Once Nolan proved himself, they were willing to look at retreading a character effectively done at an earlier date...The Joker.<p> And another thing to stop and think about is that The Riddler isn't defined by Frank Gorshin's tights or those stupid fucking question marks and emerald green Lone Ranger mask...it's by riddles. In the same way that the The Joker is creepy because he makes jokes that only he finds funny, a Nolan Riddler could have a creepy new twist by being a maniac who crafts riddles only his warped mind can solve.<p> Step outside your fucking box.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    My prediction for the next DK villians:

    by Hesiod2k7

    Hugo Strange -- an insane psychologist who knows Bruce Wayne's secret identity and lusts to take the identity for himself. He is also a chemical genius who can turn people into large, lumbering, brutal zombie-like creatures that obey his every command.' First appeared in 1940 -- so he's a Bob Kane classic psycho villan right up Nolan's alley, and who fits the tone of the series. And how about this for stunt casting: Johnny Depp as Jervis Tetch -- the Mad Hatter.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Riddler would be easy to do

    by Hesiod2k7

    Instead of the questionmark, tghtfitting jumpsuit, he could wear a dark green toned three piece suit with a bowler and a black mask -- like he's depicted in some updated versions. You could add question marks to the suit. Thre twost would be that he plays off of the Joker incident -- and uses Riddles -- in a similar way to how the Joker committed his acts of anarchy -- as a means of throwing Batman off of his criminal activities.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Oh. And Ledger kicked Nicholson's ass

    by Hesiod2k7

    That's why Nicholson is pissed. He knows that performance by Ledger was one for the ages.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Hesiod2k7

    by BurnHollywood

    Now you're thinking.<p> And where is it written that The Riddler couldn't be a scary fuck?

  • June 5, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    malkovich

    by presidentevil

    yeah...hes cerebral enough fer riddler... would really like to see a kinky new catwoman...skip the origin though... fanboy in me crosses fingers fer a superman cameo...cut through the tape and make it happen .02

  • June 5, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Oh. And Terry O'Quinn for Hugo Strange

    by Hesiod2k7

    Or Ben Kingsley.

  • June 5, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Jude Law for Riddler, actually.

    by Hesiod2k7

  • June 5, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    "And Ledger kicked Nicholson's ass"

    by BurnHollywood

    Don't know if you were around in '89, but people absolutely went apeshit about Nicholson's Joker. It's indisputable that he was a key factor in Burton's BATMAN being the blockbuster it was.<p> Not the same flavor, but a great dish, just differently prepared. Don't trash an acting genius, if you don't have to...

  • June 5, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I rewatched batman '89 recently.

    by Hesiod2k7

    And I remember distinctly the hype over the movie back then, and when I first saw it in the theaters. The reason everyone loved that movie was because the Batman suit was frigging cool, as was the Batmobile, and the outstanding set design. It was the first real comic book movie that got it right. Nicholson's Joker character was a little too close to Cesar Romero for me -- only with More Psychosis! His dancing henchmen were a joke -- and there was a bit too much camp in the portrayal. Now, at the time, I loved the character. But, in retrospect, he was a bit too over the top and goofy for my taste.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    An even better Riddler: Daniel Craig.

    by Hesiod2k7

  • June 5, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    And, the only person who could play the Joker now...

    by Hesiod2k7

    ...would be Daniel Day Lewis. No other actor could pull it off after Ledger.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Hesiod2k7

    by BurnHollywood

    "Now, at the time, I loved the character. But, in retrospect, he was a bit too over the top and goofy for my taste."<p> He wasn't perfect, but I look at him as the precursor to this character:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nUFxsZqpA

  • June 5, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    The original Batman

    by clupula

    bored the living shit out of me. Every scene that Nicholson wasn't in was torture. From Keaton's horrible Bruce Wayne to Robert fucking Wuhl, it was a shit movie made watchable by Nicholson playing the same character he plays in every movie. I remember wondering what was wrong with my friends, thinking it was a good movie. Now, Batman Returns was an improvement, although I found myself rooting for the Penguin, as Batman just came off as an ass.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    batman returns..

    by emeraldboy

    has the best opening of a comic book film ever and has never been bettered.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Batman '89 was great in this way:

    by Hesiod2k7

    1. The set and production design. It was the first time an iconic comic book character had been taken seriously and been done right. 2. The batsuit, Batmobile, Batcave, etc. 3. The relationship between Alfred and Bruce Wayne. 4. Jack Palance gave a very underappreciated performance, that unfortunately was much too truncated. 5. Nicholson's Joker was much closer to how Bob Kane, etc intended him to be. But -- he was still too campy and comical. Yes, I thought Vicky Vale, et al, were terrible. But I thought Keaton was actually good in the part.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Some other villain suggestions

    by schadenfreudian

    that will be stupid or inappropriate for Nolan's universe: <br> Maxie Zeus <br> Tweedledum and Tweedledee <br> THe Cavalier <br> Gentleman Ghost <br> THe Great WHite Shark <br> Mime <br> Onomatopoeia <br> Signalman <br> Santa Claus <br> The Ghost of John Wayne <br> Sarah Palin

  • June 5, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    confirmed: the new villain is CONDIMENT KING

    by savagedave

    JettL93 told me.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Is Morena Baccarin tall enough to be Catwoman?

    by Genre_Boy

    She's on;y 5' 7½". I'm not sur that'll do it.</p> <p>How's about abandoning some of that old-school Bat-villain stuff and going for Harley Quinn? A Harley Quinn seeking revenge for her Beau's downfall? How about a quickly retconned Talia al Ghuland post-parapelegic Barbara Gordon to make an inverse Trinity of villainesses?

  • June 5, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by BurnHollywood

    I beg to differ:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw

  • June 5, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    a thought on the joker

    by charlesbronsonLIVES

    for those that seem confused as to why anyone would want or "need" the joker in the third film, well it's fairly simple. he was set up at the end of the first film. highlighted throughout the second film and left with an incredible speech about how the two entities would be an eternal struggle (see, the upside down monologue so brilliantly delivered by ledger), and it seems only appropriate that he be featured at some point in the third film. I agree that Ledger is an icon and his Joker is incredibly important, but to write the character off because of the death of the actor is absurd. I guarantee you that if Heath had lived, this would be a Joker story in some facet. Albeit, i suppose it would involve his ending, but still, had he survived, Nolan wouldn't be saying that its out of the question. Ledger would have just been seen as an ass and they would have recast him. Sadly, we're not in that position and to complete Batman's story without any talk or show of Joker but a completely new villain is dangerous. Its not impossible, but its dangerous. I don't want to see anyone in that role either, but Nolan is one of the best directors in the world today and he's worked with the best and can get the best, the character is bigger than the sad death of Heath Ledger. I miss him too, but I knew of the Joker longer before i knew of Ledger and I will continue to know of the Joker longer after. i guarantee his ideas for Superman contain Lex Luthor (because he's integral to the story of Superman, like the Joker is to Batman). I'm just saying, to rule it out because of a sad death of a talented man, is absurd. and it could hurt a-so-far brilliant franchise. but i'm sure im in the minority here.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Oh, and these-

    by schadenfreudian

    Hulk Hogan from 1989 <br> The Gooch from Dif'rent Strokes<br> Carvelli from Welcome Back, Kotter <br> Space monster ninja vampires <br> The Health Industry <br> Zombie Margaret Thatcher

  • June 5, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    @charlesbronconLIVES -- re: The Joker

    by Hesiod2k7

    I don't disagree with your premise that you cannot have a Batman universe without the Joker in it. But, I do think it would not work to cat another actor in he role for the next movie in the series right after TDK. That would not work, and it would piss off the audience. So, the next one will be joke free. It has to be. But, maybe the one after that could hint at Joker's return in the next installment. But, you'd have to have the perfect actor to pull it off, and the only one I can think of who could do it would be Daniel Day Lewis.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Genre_Boy

    by BurnHollywood

    "She's on;y 5' 7½". I'm not sure that'll do it."<p> Um...check the illustration Herc included above. That's *exactly* correct. Without the requisite kinky heels, even.<p> Height doesn't matter on screen anyway. Didn't much care for Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND, but I thought it was neat how he played with his main character's size all through the movie...

  • June 5, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Batman: Anarchy and Chaos.

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Following TDK, Batman's perception as Gotham's biggest enemy is being challenged by 2 factions. One is the Jokerz Gang led by Harley Quinn- suspected to have ties to the original Joker. The other is Anarky. At first, Anarky is out to bring Batman down but then he discovers what happened with Harvey Dent. And Anarky won't have it. He believes in honesty, that sacrifice is not the answer, and so he represents a risk to the image of Harvey Dent. And in the end, Anarky has revealed the truth to Gotham- every bit as dedicated but a tad more hopeful than Batman. "The people of Gotham don't need the myth of Harvey Dent, Batman. They have you." And then Batman says something about how Anarky is like Gotham's 'Robin Hood'. And thus Nolan's trilogy ends with the dawn of the Batman & Robin team, a brighter day in Gotham and a Robin proven to be up to the task because he's served as an adversary to Batman- elements of Robin III Tim Drake and Anarky I, the almost-Robin.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Kristen Bell?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    She's like a li'l hobbit gal, she's like 5-foot-nuthin'! Cute as a button, not right for Catwoman. She's more of a TV talent anyway, loved her on Veronica Mars, hated her in everything she's appeared onscreen in.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    No catwoman.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Please, no.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Nolan ain't gonna have any Joker Gangs...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...or a kid on stilts who ripped off V for Vendetta's schtick but dyed the costume red (Anarky). Anarky is lame, and the little bitch can't even spell. I'm content to just wait and see what Nolan pull out of his hat this time. I'm getting bored with all the fanboy speculation.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, Negative . . .

    by Dave I

    According to you:<p><p>"The problem with your "Zsasz" idea is I had to actually Google him before I knew who the fuck he was. Same goes for all these clowns crying out for Bane or Deadshot...no one outside of a comic store knows who the fuck they are. Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate, Gawddammit."<p><p>Alright, that's total bull. How many people outside of a comic book shop or fans of Batman: The Animated Series knew who Ra's Al Ghul was? They MIGHT have known who Two-Face was because he was depicted by Tommy Lee Jones in one of those horrid Batman movies from the 90's. Also, they cast Jonah Hex (or some charade of him) in a title role.<p><p>You might disagree with Zsasz because he's an unknown. Sure. However, 1) using relative unknowns as villains has already been done in movies (in this very series nonetheless!), and 2) your bold statement to "Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate" was fairly misguided given the above. Face it, clupula was both kind of right, and made a valid point (and certainly didn't deserve your comment). If you want the Riddler, that's great! Portray him as the Riddler. If you want a dark, sinister, serial killer, use Zsasz, or Onomatopoeia, or maybe somebody like Hush. But pick the character that best works with what you want them to be. Don't just pick the one with the best face-or-name recognition. Nobody in the general public knew who Ra's was, and that was an awesome decision (to me, both the character and the actor with Liam obviously being a classic).<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 5, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    A CGI cameo of Heath Ledger's Joker would be cool...

    by jsarnold513

    If he's just shown sitting in Arkham or on a tv screen or something. It would be nice to think that Ledger's gone but the Joker lives on.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Zsasz was in Batman Begins

    by jsarnold513

    Blink and you miss him, but he appears twice. Once in a courtroom, then again when the Arkham inmates have broken out. And yes, he is actually called "Mr. Zsasz." Gets taken down in about 3 seconds by Batman.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Catwoman + another villain

    by jsarnold513

    I think they've really cleared the way for Catwoman with the death of Rachel Dawes and the foreshadowing in TDK. The movie will need a real Maor Big Bad, though. I can't see the Riddler as that guy since The Riddler isn't a terrorist/murderer like Ras Al Ghul or The Joker, but I suppose he could be made into one (Gary Oldman has said The Riddler was planned as the villain). It'll be interesting to see how they up the stakes and let Batman redeem himself in the public eyes, too.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Have both Talia and Selina

    by hairlesspet

    It works fine: Bruce is a broken man after Rachel's death, and he seeks out strong women, namely a socialite named Selina Kyle, and Talia Head, the CEO of Head Industries - a company that has stepped in and fixed most of what the Joker destroyed. Meanwhile, Batman is fighting Catwoman, an extremely adept burglar, and a new mob boss - Ventriloquist, Penguin, etc. - and is also dealing with a police manhunt. Reports that Catwoman is sneaking around killing people force Selina to ally with Batman and ferret out the true culprit. They catch Talia, who has fallen for Bruce, and confides in him she was only doing what her father asked. The new league of shadows is revealed, under the seemingly resurrected Ras al Ghul (perhaps not in the Lazarus Pit, but maybe plastic surgery to fix a horribly burned body and face?) Head Industrie's philanthropic efforts have yielded hundreds of city projects, but no one knows that that places them in a position to destroy key areas of the city. Batman must find a way to vanquish his enemies without compromising himself moraly.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    SUPERMAN and CATWOMAN

    by the Green Gargantua

  • June 5, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Dave I

    by BurnHollywood

    1. I already addressed why Al Ghul and The Scarecrow were used in my earlier post.<p> 2. Bearing that in mind, compare the box office returns on BATMAN BEGINS to THE DARK KNIGHT. One has nearly triple the net of the other, and only an idiot wouldn't think that a certain, well-known clown doesn't have something to do with that.<p> 3. Remember that, *especially* in a recession, movies are profit driven.<p> 4. The Riddler is well known, but sucks as a decent archvillain. Whatever other gripes I have with Nolan, he *does* know how to reinvigorate tired characters. Everyone *thought* they knew who The Joker was, but he surprised them.<p> 5. Quit fantasizing about seeing your "fan fave" characters being included when you know perfectly well how movie producers think.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Jonah Hill as The Clock King

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Dieter Laser as Killer Croc

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy as Bane

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Talia Shire as The Penguin

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by clupula

    Do you really think Nolan has to bow to any studio pressure for a particular character at this point? He could make the villain of the next one the fucking Clock King and everyone and their mothers would still see the movie.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Michelle Rodriguez as The Tarantula

    by BurnHollywood

    To this day, I treasure the NIGHTWING "Raping Robin" storyline that so completely fucked with fanboy's repressed sexuality that the character had to be ritually executed by Gail Simone in a SECRET SIX storyline a few years later...

  • June 5, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Catwoman and Riddler are my predictions

    by kafka07

    They certainly hinted at these characters in Dark Knight, similarly to how Joker was hinted at in Batman Begins. And I do trust Nolan with balancing mutliple villains. After all, they did have several villains in Dark Knight. Batman, Joker and Two Face basically eradicated the mob. Now there's even a big space to fill where the mob used to be.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Michael Sera as Calendar Man

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Brenden Fraiser as Clayface

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Lexington Steele as The Cluemaster

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    clupula

    by BurnHollywood

    "He could make the villain of the next one the fucking Clock King and everyone and their mothers would still see the movie."<p> Yeah, I'm sure when people put down their hard-earned cash to see THE DARK KNIGHT, they were exclaiming "One please, for director Christopher Nolan's invigorating new approach to the Batman series!"<p> No, they were paying for the fucking Joker, same as in '89. And there's going to be some serious lost business over his decision not to re-cast the character, rest assured. Which is why, however a maverick he might think himself, he's obliged to go with a known quantity villain on the next.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    CGI as Manbat

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Kirstin Dunst as Professor Pyg

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Aria Giovanni as Robin

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    CGI as EVERYONE

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    If Robert Zemeckis was directing.

  • June 5, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Brent Corrigan as Harley Quinn

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Ryan Renolds as Condiment King

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Dana Vespoli as Batgirl

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Danielle Foxx as Poison Ivy

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Kimber James as Bane

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Ron Jeremy as Deadshot

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Winona Ryder as The Penny Plunderer

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 5, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Paul Williams as Sweet Tooth

    by FlyingToupee

    You all remember Sweet Tooth from the seventies Filmation show, don't you? One for the ages.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay as The Riddler

    by hairlesspet

    Riddle me this, how can a man suck so much ass, but still make a boatload of money?

  • June 5, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob> I'm not a fan*boy* :P

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    I think the Joker gang would be interesting because there would be possibility for the Heath! Joker to hide in their ranks like he did with the bank robbers at the start of TDK. And Batman would never be sure if it was his imagination or it was the same Joker he'd faced. Now, in terms of Anarky, yes he's a total dork. I wouldn't be half surprised if he was an influence on South Park's Professor Chaos. I get that you don't drink, man, but "No thanks, I'm a minor?" Really? Still, the philosophy in his mini-series puts him smack middle in the Joker-Batman dichotomy Nolan set up in TDK, rejecting both the forces of authority and base impulses. Also, if WB is pushing for a Robin (well-known!) I think they'll need to use a college-age TDRobin/Anarky hybrid to fit in Nolan's world.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Bridget Powers as The Mad Hatter

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Buck Angel as Egghead

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 5, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    O.J. Simpson as The Guy who Killed his Wife and her new Lover (a

    by hairlesspet

  • June 5, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Jackie Chan as Kite Man

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    The Kite Men have terrorized China's skies for almost 3,000 years ever since the kite's invention. And now they're in Gotham! :P

  • June 5, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I vote for,,,

    by Bruce Leroy

    The Riddler & Catwoman.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    This talkback smells like Mountain Dew, Cheetos and sadness...

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    Deep, penetrating sadness...

  • June 5, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Hollywood, take note:

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    The people you hire, you've hired for a reason. For the most part, fanboys don't know dick about art. At best they're often even with the same hacks you employ. Chris Nolan earns his millions. That much is clear now.

  • June 5, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    BATUSI OR GTFO!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 5, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Yes, Please, Also: Eva Green as Catwoman

    by LaserPants

    That would be Bat-tastic!

  • June 5, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Catwoman is certain

    by Angel Blake

    clearly, she is the secondest most important villian in the comics, perhaps next to Two Face and he's had his day. Reckon she could be played by someone like anna friel

  • June 5, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Nolan is going to take his trilogy in a new direction

    by savagedave

    Responding to critics that it's "too dark" and "not kid friendly", he's teaming Batman up with a new crime busting partner in the next installment.<p>http://tinyurl.com/ccj9mo

  • June 5, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Lol catwoman is gay!

    by slugbat

    You can just throw away any believability the second a 110 lb woman kicks a 200 lb man in 50 lbs of armor clear across a room...but you know she will. I'd love catwoman if she made a formidable sandwich for our dark knight though. Is Womens Lib over yet?

  • June 5, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Harley Quinn is simply the right choice...

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    ...it follows the storyline - she's never been attempted before (live action) and she is visually interesting (and, if done right, can definitely be nasty as hell).

  • June 5, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    David Tennant as the Riddler?

    by frozen01

    Could we have a Scottish Riddler? Or could he pull off an American accent? He slipped very frequently in DW, so I'm guessing probably not. He certainly has the energy for the role, but I dunno...

  • June 5, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I'm Kind of Surprised . . .

    by Dave I

    Don't you people want to see somebody new? I am not a Catwoman fan, but I'm in the minority. Still, for all of you pushing for Catwoman, Penguin, a/o Riddler (and I personally like the Riddler, stupid costume aside), they've all been done before. At some point, I'd like to see something different that was done well. Isn't it kind of boring to look forward to (or aspire to look forward to) seeing the exact same villains you've seen done before in movies, not to mention every possible TV (and comic) iteration? It just seems like we're doomed to keep trying the same matchups (e.g. Superman and Lex Luthor, Batman & Joker, Batman and Penguin a/o a/o Catwoman a/o Riddler, we'll probably see Spider-Man and Green Goblin) over and over ad nauseum.<p><p>I know they're iconic or whatever, but that's why I hate reboots and remakes; they get redundant. I can live without The Joker for a movie (or the rest of the series if Nolan takes it past three despite what he's said), and I can settle for a little-known villain that has never seen the silver screen.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 5, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Danny DeVito as Penguin...Jim Carrey as Riddler

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    .....give them another shot! C'mon Hollywood!

  • June 5, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover as the RIDDLER

    by Willbraham

    That ones for free.

  • June 5, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood . . .

    by Dave I

    "1. I already addressed why Al Ghul and The Scarecrow were used in my earlier post."<p><p>Isn't that conjecture? I disagree. Still, the first Nolan Batman movie did great with two not-so-well-known commodities. <P><P>"2. Bearing that in mind, compare the box office returns on BATMAN BEGINS to THE DARK KNIGHT. One has nearly triple the net of the other, and only an idiot wouldn't think that a certain, well-known clown doesn't have something to do with that."<p><p>Sure, The Joker had something to do with it. So did the (legit) hype with Ledger's performance, his death, and the positive word of mouth. There was a LOT that went into that movie's success. <p><p>3. Remember that, *especially* in a recession, movies are profit driven.<p><p>The next Batman movie is going to have a great opening weekend no matter which villain they throw up there. I mean, point taken, but if Nolan has ever earned the right to do whatever he wants, coming of the highest grossing comic book movie ever (if I'm recalling right), and probably the most highly touted comic book movie of all time, I'd think now would be the time. <p><p>"4. The Riddler is well known, but sucks as a decent archvillain. Whatever other gripes I have with Nolan, he *does* know how to reinvigorate tired characters. Everyone *thought* they knew who The Joker was, but he surprised them."<p><p>True.<p><p> "5. Quit fantasizing about seeing your "fan fave" characters being included when you know perfectly well how movie producers think."<p><p>I don't really have a "fan fave" Batman villain. I mean, I like the story behind Mr. Freeze, but Schumacher sorta screwed that up for the big screen, I like Riddler alright, but even there I don't have one I'm dying to see. I DO have a desire for something new. I'm just thinking aloud as far as characters that seem to have worked without being gimmicky or without having been done to death over the years that seem decent fits in the "universe" Nolan's created.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 5, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Matthew Fox as Man Bat.

    by RPLocke

    Wicked.

  • June 5, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Dave I...

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    Great post...and I agree; I'm itching for something new and divisive; and that's why my vote stays with Harley Quinn...she fits the narrative and is one of the most peculiar characters of the Batman mythos (and never attempted before in a live action film).

  • June 5, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    What do you guys think? The Riddler done Kaiser Soze-ish

    by ChristmasCameLate

    I say that the Riddler should never appear in the film. Not once. Is he real? Is he the conjuration of the criminals in Gotham who need a "hero" to rally around since the cops have a hero to rally around? Is he an urban myth? If so, who started it? What do the riddles mean? Are they meaningless? If they lead to anywhere, what if at the end Batman catches some fellow who's been leaving a FEW of them, but it turns out he's no genius, just a guy trying to be famous like the Joker, and copying the "Riddler" riddles he's been hearing about on the news. Have Catwoman or Harley Quinn there (Quinn done with Natalie Portman in the fashion of the rap she did for SNL, a fucked up girl enamored of the Joker's "career" much like Insane Clown Posse fans believe they're enlightened for listening to the band, think everyone else is "subpar" to their enlightened worldview). By the end, Batman stops Quinn or Cats, and maybe somehow this fake Riddler guy is entangled with them, but the movie fades to black as Batman looks at the last riddle given to him. One he cannot answer--one the writers make up that has no answer--and he's wondering, "Is there an answer? Did he even ever really exist?" Roll credits. What do you think?

  • June 5, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    In short, NO ONE cast as the Riddler...

    by ChristmasCameLate

    even though he's in it. An alternative: have two or three characters in the film acting "suspicious," so that by the end the audience is left guessing who THEY think the Riddler really was. It would take intricate and careful plotting, but I think it could be done.

  • June 5, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I'M WAITING FOR CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

    by Jesiah

    .....to confirm anything, because personally I'd like to see Joker, because if this is the "last" of this series, than who better than the Joker?

  • for BurnHollywood (again).<p><p>"Yeah, I'm sure when people put down their hard-earned cash to see THE DARK KNIGHT, they were exclaiming "One please, for director Christopher Nolan's invigorating new approach to the Batman series!" <p><p> No, they were paying for the fucking Joker, same as in '89. And there's going to be some serious lost business over his decision not to re-cast the character, rest assured. Which is why, however a maverick he might think himself, he's obliged to go with a known quantity villain on the next."<p><p>I don't think people were paying as much for The Joker as they were for Batman. I mean, Batman Begins did pretty well with virtual unknowns, the sequels to the Burton Batman did fine until they were pathetic jokes. The absence of The Joker won't kill the movie, and two movies in a row with the Joker (at least as the main character), particularly with it being obvious it's a Heath Ledger replacement, would be less interesting.<p><p>As for your point about people seeing Nolan's Batman because it was an interesting (and more faithful) and invigorating new approach to the cinematic version of the character . . . That's EXACTLY why I saw them! Even if I'm in the minority, I'd bet money LOTS of people saw Batman Begins and The Dark Knight because of Nolan's approach and NOT because of the Joker. Outside of Killing Joke, I'm NOT a fan of the Joker. Or rather, I wasn't until Nolan's vision and Ledger's iconic rendition. So yeah, despite your sarcasm, there has to be SOMETHING to that.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 5, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    TOO MUCH FANFICTION ON THIS SITE!!!

    by drumble

    Everyone on this bloody talkback is writing their own film, suggesting casting decisions, even lines of dialogue for the CLOSING SECONDS of a film that is being made by a HIGHLY TALENTED GROUP OF FILM-MAKERS who can manage fine on their own! Come on, guys, isn't the fun of going to see one of these movies getting to sit back and watch it unfurl without having to dictate exactly what it is by commitee first? I'm glad that I have no say on who becomes the next villain, it's better than acting like the editor and suggesting my own pitch! End of the day, this film will be good, and all of this fantasizing about what it should be is just us all wishing we were in their shoes, but we're not, and so why torture yourself?

  • June 5, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    drumble

    by imagegod

    what do you think this site is all about? it's amusing, take it easy man.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Good to hear

    by WilliamZabkaRox

    I have been a masive Joker fan since I was a kid and Ledger is and will always be the Joker. I liked Jack, I even liked Ceaser Romero but Ledger captured the Joker better than anyone. Jack was good but they changed too much of his backstory in the movie and he was more of a mobster. Ledger like Brandon Lee will be most famous for the role they died playing and like The Crow, look what happened when they re-cast that role.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Egghead.

    by jeah

    Best. Villian. Ever. And Lance Bass for Robin, because a gay Robin would get the Oscar nod for sure.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Somebody PLEASE rescue Catwoman from Pitof!

    by Joseebus

    Dear Mr. Nolan, You do realize that you are solely responsible for the salvation of Selina Kyle from the evil clutches of that GODAWFUL Pitof shitstorm, don't you? Just keep that in mind.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Doing the Joker Would Likely be Painful . . .

    by Dave I

    Unless it was all a total lie, the cast & crew seemed very effected by Ledger and really seemed to love the guy. This doesn't get mentioned enough, but it'd be a constant reminder of the loss of their friend. I can't imagine many would willingly do that to themselves.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 5, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Very bloody likely

    by MR. MURDOCH

    drumble: Is this not what TALKBACKS are for?? True, speculation can and does get out of control, but this is what makes it fun. I still say TALIA should and WILL be in this movie (and perhaps a third act surprise/reprise of RA'S). Go ahead, combine elements of Catwoman with Talia, but at least ONE central nemesis is TALIA. Does Batman NEED a love interest? Perhaps not, but you can bet your Bender's Shiny Ass that any $200 mil. blockbuster from Warner Bros. WILL feature a LOVE INTEREST, whether you like it or not. It's simple broad appeal economics. Nolan wants to "END HIS STORY" -- to me, that can only equal involving Talia and/or Ra's again in some capacity. And whether people like it or not (and whether it's right or not), it sure sounds like Nolan will NOT be recasting JOKER (a reprise via a piece of dialogue, reference to, or photograph of, is possible, I assume). Try working for a year on a production with someone who delivers what is considered by many to be an Oscar-caliber performance, and losing him just before the movie's release -- and see how you feel. See if you can work up the interest to reprise and "recast" the actor/character just a couple of years later. You guys should be happy -- it's a miracle that Nolan even WANTS to be involved with a third film -- if Ledger had died ON SET, you can bet that Nolan very likely might NOT be back at all.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by MR. MURDOCH

    I think the rumble surrounding the nix of "Justice League" a few years ago was not completely due to economics, but my belief is that Nolan just *might* have had a hand in that, not just because of the use of Batman...but because the film was going to use TALIA as a nemesis as well...and I think Nolan/Goyer have (had) something up their sleeve regarding this character for the third film -- "Justice League" would have spoiled that.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Another Idea for the Penguin ...

    by bmpmanly

    I know a lot of people have mentioned Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Not really a fan. I'd love to see James Gandolfini as the the Penguin - part of Gotham's aristocracy but with dealings with the city's dark underbelly. Maybe into russian prostitutes/sex ring (Eastern Promises - like) where he runs into Catwoman.

  • June 5, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    It won't be Penguin either, Riddler..Yes

    by LegendarySpartanBlood

  • June 5, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Catwoman could be done right...

    by Bishamon

    if played by a really good actress. I nominate Tilda Swinton or a Cate Blanchett. Just keep them out of a corny suit. Who said the villians have to dressed in exotic costumes like their comic book counterparts?

  • June 5, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Malkovich as The Riddler - yes please

    by Ray Gamma

    +1 vote from me

  • June 5, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    showing Burton's Batman movies on cable...

    by Sicuv Uyall

    Boy, do they suck now. Don't think I could ever sit thru those again.

  • June 5, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    I cant sit through Batman Returns

    by RPLocke

    But the first and third are okay.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Michael Caine as the Riddler

    by FlyingToupee

    A great Nolan twist. Batman's trusted butler is really the cunning Edward Nygma. He was actually the guy pulling the Joker's strings. Batman goes batshit, breaks his one rule(kills Alfred/Edward), and hires a new servant(madcap Shia LeBeouf as Dick Grayson).

  • June 5, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    all hail Nolan!!!! Nolan the Great!!!!

    by DioxholsterReturns

    the dude was sent from heaven to save us from mediocrity!!

  • June 5, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I still like the first BATMAN

    by FlyingToupee

    Watched it recently. Being over 20 years old, the movie has a nostalgia factor going for it. I can still remember how awesome it was in 1989 for Batman to be the biggest craze. Everyone had a Batman t-shirt, and there was merchandise galore. Batmania ruled the nation. It was a great feeling for a Batman nut like me. The movie itself needs a better script, but there are lots of good lines of dialogue, and Nicholson had at least two great scenes("You can call me...Joker!" and "I'm glad you're dead!")before he started dancing around and phoning it in. Keaton is a surprisingly good Batman, even now. Great music. Nolan's stuff is definitive, but there is still fun to be had in Burton's work.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    best superhero movie is Batman Begins!

    by DioxholsterReturns

    TDK wasnt truely comic book hero in its nature.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    And BATMAN RETURNS is ok too

    by FlyingToupee

    Another great score by Elfman. Amazing cinematography. Four great performances. Michelle Pfeiffer's ass. Again, the script is the weak link, and that's where Nolan has come to the rescue, creating the stories that the best comic book hero deserves.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I was at the premere of the 1989 Batman

    by RPLocke

    And Michael Keaton gave me a high five when he came out of his limo and started high fiving everyone. It was effing awesome.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by FlyingToupee

    I remember seeing Keaton high fiving everyone on Entertainment Tonight. It was very cool. Must have been an incredible moment for you!

  • June 5, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    FlyingToupee

    by RPLocke

    Oh it was fantastic. We saw so many people. Even Jack Nicholson. Also many other people like Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy. It was awesome. Even Bob Kane was there. Tim Burton was also there.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    batman begins was going to be set in the 1970s

    by DioxholsterReturns

    until Nolan was onboard

  • June 5, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I remember watching it on TV

    by FlyingToupee

    ET, Today and Good Morning America turned into the Batman show for about 10 days before the movie came out. I remember seeing Bob Kane, Nicholson and Burton; also, Kim Basinger in a see through black outfit that was really hot. Did you get to see the movie that night, too? Would have been an incredible experience.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I waited outside the theater all day just to see people

    by RPLocke

    They had ropes set off so fans could come and watch. The movie was by invitation only. Kim Basinger did look really hot. Jack Palance was even there. It was amazing. On the Batman DVD there's a segment on the premiere, and when the camera goes by the crowd you can actually see me on there standing, lol.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson from "Lost"

    by GOB Adama

    As the Riddler, please.

  • June 5, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    While I doubt it will be revisited...

    by GOB Adama

    The accountant who puzzled out that Bruce was Batman made it out alive (as far as we know) and while he may now feel indebted to Bruce, it would be odd if nobody approached him again for the info he claimed to have.

  • June 5, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Hey BurnHollywood

    by severianx1

    No, I fucking well was not paying for the fucking Joker in The Dark Knight nor in Burton's Batman. I was paying to see a fucking Batman movie both times, because I'm interested in the character known as "Batman". That's what puts my ass in the theater seat. I'm actually glad there will be no Joker in the next installment because they already did a whole fucking movie about Batman vs. Joker, and Tim Burton did a whole fucking movie about Batman vs. Joker, and I'm not going to pay to see a fucking rematch. That would NOT put my ass in the theater seat.

  • June 5, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Dogwoman should be in BATMAN 3

    by DioxholsterReturns

    bruce wayne likes it doggystyle

  • June 5, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Jack Palance was even there

    by FlyingToupee

    If you ever listened to Burton's commentary on the BATMAN DVD, he talks about how Palance didn't like to be directed. When Burton would say "come out of the door this way", Palance would answer "I've been in 100 features, boy. How many features have you made?" I'm glad he went to the premiere, he was great in the movie.

  • June 5, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    i saw catwoman movie recently

    by DioxholsterReturns

    and my god what a horrible thing that was, how could someone fuck up so badly.

  • June 5, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Holy "drill baby drill" Batman

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Palin vs teh bat vs BP. No matter who wins, we win............

  • June 5, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    anyone here liked SGUs episode last night?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    anyone saw it? did you like it?

  • June 5, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    FlyingToupee

    by RPLocke

    Lol, yeah, I always listen to commentaries, Jack Palance has been in so many great movies.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    TARANTINO or GANDOFINI...

    by KHjLL

    Has to be the PENGUIN. Maybe Phillip Seymour Hoffman but GANDOFINI/TARANTINO as the KINGPIN PENGUIN would be unreal....

  • June 5, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    an

    by KHjLL

    JOHNNY DEPP as the riddler would be sweat or TARANTINO

  • June 5, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I can see Catwoman...if done correctly.

    by conspiracy

    Lord Bale..I mean Bruce Wayne...distraught over the death of his true love drowns his sorrows in drink and debauchery...becoming the asshole playboy he plays to the public.</p><p>He begins dating escorts....ladies of the night, and as would happen falls for a Fresh looking, adorable girl only a year in Gotham. Bruce MUST try to save THIS girl since he could not save Rachael...his issues of loss and of ultimately being unable to save the ones he loves surfacing in his blind behaviors towards her </p><p>In the meantime men begin dying during what are otherwise simple burglaries...murdered in strange, S&M-ish ways...tortured, mutilated...hundreds in the last year...the only calling card, a golden feline claw....just like the one on the necklace Bruces new Love/Escort wears.</p><p>Sasha Grey or Tori Black would be great for the minimalist talking role..and Lord Bale as always would deliver yet another stunning performance.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Tarantino? Are you mad?

    by clupula

    I am not a fan of his movies, but I can see how someone would like him as a director. As an actor?!? Seriously, I must question what drugs you have recently ingested to want him in front of a camera. Might as well get Eli Roth in there too.<BR><BR>And BurnHollywood, I did not go to the movie to see the Joker either. I loved Batman Begins and wanted to see the next chapter of it. Plus, do you really think that your average non-comic reader is going to say, "Oooh! They have the Riddler! I'm going to pay money for that!" Most non-comic readers just think of him as a lame guy in a green suit with question marks all over it. The Riddler is not going to get people excited for the film. They're going to see a Batman movie.

  • June 5, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    The chick from Precious should play Solomon Grundy

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    or maybe she could play clayface?

  • June 5, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Justin Bieber as Robin!!

    by Shubniggorath

    </endtroll>

  • June 5, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    So,lost forever are...

    by EastcoastAvenger

    the audio performances of Ledgers never released The Dark Knight video game based off the movie. I thought they might have used some of that stuff for the next film.

  • June 5, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Penguin could work...

    by faelon

    Pengy could work in a supporting or more minor role, as the more modern interpretation of the crooked nightclub operator/fence/underworld figure, and not as a costumed supervillain. Just have him be someone we see, not a huge plot point. Like others I am pretty well Catwomaned out. I could use a break. If you want a hot chick factor, with possibly some dirt from his past, how about... Shiva?!

  • June 5, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    How did Nolan say no?

    by shanafan

    He said he wasn't comfortable talking about it. I think it meant the Joker wasn't necessarily in the movie, perhaps he just didn't want to discuss the plot/characters for TDK sequel??

  • June 5, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Batman...

    by doczlove

    ...should be the 'villain'. It's set up that way at the end of TDK. The film could have Batman struggling with retaining his heroic qualities in the face of persecution by those who he tries to protect and stopping himself from letting his fearsome image overtake him, making him truly villainous. Since the cops can't catch him (and Gordon is secretly helping him), open door for a police rival to Gordon (perhaps Penguin character could be incorporated here) to hire an assassin/assassins to capture the Bat (Catwoman? Bane? Anyone could be chucked in here). The movie would be essentially the hunt for Batman, who in the end redeems himself by exposing Penguin's true designs for control of Gotham via the elimination of Batman. It would be a pursuit movie, fast paced, with Batman as the target. Then they need to get a new director, new Batman, and reimagine it again. I wanna see some 'Batman Animated' type movies, full blown over the top action, where you can have Batman fighting Croc and Man-Bat and the crazier villains. Not as gothic as Burton's, not as ridiculous as Schumaker's, not as 'real' as Nolan's. Like a live action 'Batman Animated'.

  • June 5, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I'm to busy to post a lot on this subject but...

    by Continentalop

    ...anyone who criticizes Penguin is fucking dead to me! The most underestimated and best Batman foe out there. How can you be a Batman fan and not like the Penguin? <P> And Catwoman is pretty awesome too. Instead of reading their modern interpretations go back and look at them through the history of the Batman comic. They are just as interesting as Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, etc. up until the f'ing 80s on (when crappy writers took over who couldn't deal with characters who weren't obvious). <P> And I Miller's version of Catwoman as one of the worst versions of her (hey, she is a hooker - great way to just reduce her to a fetish).

  • June 5, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Malkovich too old for Riddler, sorry guys

    by brocknroll

    The Riddler role is for someone younger. Malkovich is too old in my opinion. I don't even want Johnny Depp as the Riddler either. My pick for the Riddler would be Woody Harrelson.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Dumbass

    by Gluecifer

    "Who do you think made the last movie a giant hit, Nolan.....You????" I guess he's a little responsible for the success of The dark knight, dumbass. You know, he directed it and cowrote it, dumbass. And, wow, maybe he actually wants to direct the best movie possible, and not just make the more $$$$$ possible.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    IN MY DREAMS LADY SHIVA WOULD BE THE BIG BAD

    by Meadowe

    She is supposedly one of the best fighters in the DC universe, and we haven't really seen Bruce be tested physically ONE ON ONE, and I'm admittedly byassed because she's female but I think she makes more sense in a Nolan fliq imo than catwoman.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    CLOCK KING!!!

    by kdoc13

    Seriously, if done right you transition 2 to 3 from master anarchist, to master planner. Could be very cool.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie for Catwoman

    by brocknroll

    If Catwoman is picked, I'd say Angelina should get the role. Many of you would disagree with me, but if you think about it, her fat lips would be perfect for the Catwoman mask and costume. Plus, she has that sexy speaking voice. Angie would make a great Catwoman, in my opinion.

  • June 5, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Morgan Freeman as the Bookworm

    by RPLocke

    Oops that's Spider-Man.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    The problem with villains

    by Teddy Artery

    is their bad qualities are in simple opposition with the 'good guy' and are meant to entice the good guy toward badness. Which is simplistic to say the least... the story becomes a morality play for children, rather than the complex, nuanced character study we as adults should be treated to... or something.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Dave I, severianx1, clupula...

    by BurnHollywood

    Well, yeah, I KNOW you guys would be there for the next Batman, even if they brought back Schumacher to direct and made the villain Crazy Quilt...<p> Problem is, I know how Hollywood studio execs think, and it boils down to, "If we made a billion off of TDK, we can make a billion off of the next one." They don't just say that, mind you...they actually instruct their teams of accountants to *expect* that return, and work it into their annual forecasts. And as much a maverick as Nolan is, he still has to toe the line at some level...witness how MGM jilted Del Toro on THE HOBBIT, if you need precedent for how a studio can even dick a heavy-hitter around.<p> So...expect the expected. But the beauty of Nolan's approach is how he's radically redefined familiar characters...even the comic Batman can't just go back to the same old Joker anymore.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    The batsuit in Batman '89 is still the best

    by Black Jesus

    suit out of any of the movies.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Samuel L. Jackson as Captain Stingaree

    by Angry Bald Guy

    Bald...eyepatch...why not?

  • June 6, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    Billy Crudup as Doctor Phosphorous

    by Angry Bald Guy

    So at least he could stop being blue...

  • June 6, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Black Jesus

    by BurnHollywood

    True. One problem with Nolan's approach is that he went with that technofetishy Batsuit, which forgets that The Batman is, at some level, operating on a criminal's primal fear.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Sarah Michelle Gellar as Abattoir

    by Angry Bald Guy

    As long as she has the same hair she had in Scooby-Doo.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Sean Connery as the NKVDemon

    by Angry Bald Guy

    Nu pa russki?

  • June 6, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Seth Green as The Squid

    by Angry Bald Guy

  • June 6, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    So the Joker is off the table now for the duration?

    by Hervoyel

    I think that's bullshit. Heath Ledger did a great job but it wasn't so damn good that it couldn't be replicated. It wasn't so good that nobody else should ever get to touch the character. I guess I can understand the concept of "too soon" but for fucks sake get over the Heath Ledger obsession.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    imo the BATMAN RETURNS AND THE DARK KNIGHT BATSUITS ARE BEST

    by Meadowe

    I like the 89 batsuit but the extra points at the bottom middle of the bat emblem always threw me off, so i end up liking the batman returns one better....and I like The Dark Knight suit because he can turn his head but I hate the chest because the bat emblem is split.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Riddler as a deranged serial killer taunting the authorities...

    by beefywhore

    ala "Jack the Ripper" or "Zodiac" with riddles about where he will choose his next victim and so forth...Or Penguin asa badass Arms Dealer...nothing cartoony. Paul Giamatti as Penguin... Adrian Brody or Viggo Mortensen as Riddler.

  • June 6, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Keifer Sutherland as the Riddler

    by RPLocke

    He is one crazy freaky dude.

  • June 6, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    good call RPLocke...

    by beefywhore

    I think that dude looks like a wife beater.

  • June 6, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    TAYLOR KITSCH AS AZRAEL!!!

    by Jesiah

    The original, not the cop guy who's out right now

  • June 6, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    What the fuck would AICN do without Empire?

    by masteryoda007

    Do you ever get any scoops of your own? Geez

  • June 6, 2010, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Catwoman and fire Nolan hire Pitof instead

    by theplant

    Pitof is the best director around

  • June 6, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    @Teddy Artery

    by Rocco Curioso

    Yeah, you're on the right track. Nolan & Co.'s take on the Joker (as opposed to the histrionics of Burton's movie Joker) was part nihilistic, part pushing the boundaries of collective urban fear. Nicholson's Joker was about avenging Batman's disfigurement of him. Ledger's Joker was about teaching the people of Gotham a lesson in fear, and crime gone completely awry. There is a HUGE chasm between the two.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Johnny Depp as The Mad Hatter

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 6, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Vigo Mortinson as Harley Quinn

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 6, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Peter North as God

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 6, 2010, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Others have said it

    by slugbat

    But thank, all, for the funniest, shittiest collection of Batman ideas this side of the 90s!

  • June 6, 2010, 5:28 a.m. CST

    The Riddler...

    by SunTzu77

    The villain should be "The Riddler" for Batman 3... I also liked the pic some fan did awhile back... <br> <br> http://i35.tinypic.com/16hui2o.jpg <br> The Riddler should be like the Zodiac killer... utilizing cryptograms... puzzles, etc. Calendar Man would be my second choice.

  • June 6, 2010, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Kiefer Sutherland isn't that tough...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...In fact, he still lives with his mom:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwAP3wuIG2A

  • June 6, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    beefywhore

    by BurnHollywood

    I had a similar notion about The Riddler earlier, but I'm glad someone else sees it my way. Great idea about The Penguin, too.

  • June 6, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Casting...

    by SunTzu77

    Depending on the villain... Ben Foster, Viggo M., Johnny Depp, Guy Pearce, Joe Anderson, Sam Riley, .etc <br> <br> If they go with Catwoman... I wish they'd kind of go with Miller's back story of her being a prostitute, etc. I'd like someone like Noomi Rapace from "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."

  • June 6, 2010, 5:59 a.m. CST

    I'd just like to see

    by SunTzu77

    A darker... more disturbed Catwoman... not the typical big tits pure eye candy actor in the role.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Bruce Meets Selena at some Art Party for Gotham's Elite

    by LaserPants

    They hit it off pretty well, and that's a damn good thing, 'cause ever since he lost Rachel and has become a pariah living way out in his newly renovated and super awesome mansion with new and improved giganto Batcave, he's really been slipping away; becoming more and more Batman, less and less Bruce... how fortunate, then, that he meets Selena at such a time in his life; she's gorgeous, worldly, intelligent, clearly athletic... she's just the woman to fill the gaping hole left in his heart by Rachel's loss! Little does he know, of course, that she's also a costume fetishist, and has come to the party as a cat burglar, not a patron of the arts. But, is she *really* a villain, or someone more morally ambiguous? Technically, they both operate on the other side of the law... and in addition to stealing priceless artworks, she helps orphans too! Maybe there's more to this cat... woman than meets the eye? <br><br>I'll leave you to fill in the rest of this script that just wrote itself.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Bruce goes downstairs to grab a bottle of wine

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    and catches her prying open his collection of rare and expensive wine. She tries to play it off by bending over and shaking her ass in his face and saying "now where the fuck did my contact lens go, its not here?" Queue the sexy soul music with saxaphone. Bruce walks up and grabs her ass, "maybe you left it in my bedroom, we should look there instead" Catwoman then grabs a bottle of wine and swiftly breaks it and tries to lunge the sharp glass into his carotid artery, but he ducks and nails her in the kidney with a sharp elbow punch. Catwoman notices that he now has a full erection and says "Meow!", does a backflip and kicks him in the face with her high heals, blood trickles down his forehead. She licks his forehead and smiles mischieviously, "maybe next time I'll get a taste of the white colored bat fluid"

  • June 6, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Riddler no way...

    by mtl2

    There's no way a guy called Edward Nygma will show up in the new batman flick. That's just a horrible name for a character...

  • June 6, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Justin Bieber as Lightning Lad

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 6, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Catwoman done right - go fuck yourself - done right

    by Professor_Monster

    I can't stand the "done right" assholes. What they mean is "different" than the way it was done previous. Different is not always better. I want Catwoman is be played by a real whore - I mean a cocksucker with an award

  • June 6, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Sasha Grey as Catwoman

    by JaimeFoxx

  • June 6, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Catwoman will not be sexy

    by brocknroll

    I know everyone is expecting Catwoman to be all hot and sexy, but if you carefully know Chris Nolan's vision of storytelling, I don't think he will make Catwoman hot and sexy. Catwoman with a sexy costume and big breasts, and all. I don't think Nolan will go for that. He will make Catwoman scary and ugly looking. The way she's supposed to be.

  • June 6, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    brocknroll

    by BurnHollywood

    Mostly agree, but there's not a chance the actress cast will be "ugly". My idea is that the reason (the *only* reason) she's called "Catwoman" is because she's an expert cat burglar. She doesn't wear some skintight outfit, she actually looks more like the female equivalent of a Special Ops on a night mission. No ears, no meowing, none of that shit. Like the female equivalent of this guy: http://tinyurl.com/276x9dv <p> Oh, and I like the idea of her being MILF-aged (i.e. experienced, older woman) so I'm nominating Carla Gugino. Ooh, mama.

  • June 6, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Arkhaminmate001

    by BurnHollywood

    Yeah, right.

  • June 6, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I am not the hugest Hush fan

    by clupula

    But I would expect Nolan to use a character like that, rather than the lameness that is the Riddler (or even worse the Riddler as Zsasz idea that some people seem so fond of). Either way, I am sure Nolan will make a good movie, but I'd be very disappointed in him as an artist if he whipped out a character that Schumacher used.

  • June 6, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    My Kingdom for an Edit Button

    by clupula

    I basically meant that it'd be really disappointing if he were just to recycle the Schumacher/Burton villains.

  • June 6, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Credit where it's due

    by The_Skook

    ...as with the others who've mentioned it, CREDIT AN ARTIST IF YOU USE HIS WORK TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR ARTICLE! ADAM HUGHES!

  • June 6, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Jackie Earl Haley as Riddler... 'Nuff said!

    by alpeter3

    ... And not the "hyper-retard" Riddler like Jim Carrey. More like the sinister, calm, genius Riddler that they had in Batman The Animated Series, the one voice by John Glover. Make him even more brutal though, kind of like the Zodiac Killer or Saw with vicious traps for people to figure out to survive. For the costume (because green tights would be stupid), basically go with the animated series costume: black trousers, black button-down shirt, green Jacket, green bowler hat, green tie (maybe), cane (but not a question mark cane), and instead of a purple eye mask, sunglasses with purple lenses. Imagine that getup with Jackey Earle Haley in it (either with his natural bald head, or maybe a red-head hairpiece like he had in watchmen). It would look totally bad-ass and Haley could totally pull off the calm, cool-headed, but bad-ass Riddler character. That's my 2 cents on it.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    You guys are dumb and I'm glad you're not screenwriters

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Though with this cliche bullshit you guys are putting out here, I'm sure you could probably make careers out of it. I'm wondering what any of you saw in The Dark Knight to begin with.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    HUSH

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    You know, I don't like giving credit to Jeph Loeb, but the Hush storyline was about the best thing he wrote within the last ten years. Now, as a movie, I don't know. I could see Ra's coming back at the end of the 3rd film as the person behind everything, but not Hush. The Nolan movies haven't laid enough down yet, to bring in Thomas Elliot. Now, something that they could do with Hush in the film, is try and have him take over anything and everything that belongs to Bruce. In the Loeb Hush run of the books, they hinted that Thomas Elliot was in fact Bruce's half brother, so they could do that for the film, and have him trying to get what he thinks he deserves. The only actor that I can see playing Hush would be Michael C. Hall. Not man crushing on him, but he looks like Thomas Elliot, and can pull it out acting wise.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    "Ed Nygma" as stage name

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Granted, I think you're going to lose a ton of characters by nitpicking on silly names created in the Silver Age (did you read the Imaginary Stories tpb? Alfred is writing fanfiction about Batman and Batwoman- the utility purse one, not the yuri one)... but I can see the likes of Hugo Strange or the Riddler as chosen as more marketable names, especially if they're more celebrity-oriented- showing up on the Today Show or something. That said, I want new villains. Part of what I enjoy about B&TB is that they have a ton of characters never before used outside comics. So, yeah, I'm for Harley or Talia or Anarky in this new movie- going towards the dawn referenced in TDK. That's what would get me to go multiple times, provided they pull it off. Catwoman's awesome but I'm not sure she fits into Nolan's world without going into the Miller model and I'm getting tired of the grittiness in DC Comics.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin is an awful actor

    by FleshMachine

    have you even seen V? shes a train wreck of overacting. was the least interestnig person in firefly too.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    You know who'd be perfect as Talia?

    by clupula

    Monica Bellucci.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    we haven't seen BATMAN done right yet

    by punto

    Forget about the fucking villains, they're all gimmicks, we haven't seen a proper Batman yet, at least in live action. The suit is too bulky, his movements are too awkward. He's supposed to be a ninja. I don't need to see an armored suit to believe that he's stopping bullets, and I don't need some guy saying "your suit is made of a new alloy that blah blah blah" for 15 minutes. He's the Goddamn Batman, he doesn't get killed by bullets. Give him some fabric to cover his dick, paint the bat signal on it, and let him run around and kick some ass.

  • June 6, 2010, noon CST

    Yes, spandex

    by clupula

    Would be so much more believable.

  • June 6, 2010, noon CST

    Fuck Junkie Ledger! Hamill for Joker in IV

    by picardsucks

    THe Junkie was great as the Joker but Mark Hamill would be perfect Sorry with innocent kids dying of cancer and starvation it's hard for me to join the weepy fags who would place a scumbag suicidal junkie who put himself into a haze with a fucking Olson twin while his cute wife and daughter played house , on a pedistal. Fuck his morphine soaked corpse, Mark Hamill will be better and you know this to be true,... man!

  • June 6, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    I could honestly care less about Ledger's

    by clupula

    personal life. As long as he wasn't raping kids, I really don't care what he did with his free time. He had a great performance (even though I think Eckhart's performance was better in TDK). To deny that just because he wasn't the smartest of guys is silly.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    by korahn

    I'd like to see The Ventriloquist - I great take on multiple personalities. Clayface would be sweet IF done right. Or possibly throw in Harley Quinn.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Is it just me...

    by dodgethis27

    Or should Two-Face have just been set up in Dark Knight and actually used as the main villain in the 3rd act, where he partners with Ras perhaps, or another villain like the mob-boss style Penguin. Or he could have just employed a few lesser baddies like Bane or Firefly? Just thinking outloud. Oh, and Batman Begins is superior to the Dark Knight. That is all.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Hamill's Joker had a bigger ego than Ledger's

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    He always seemed to lose it when he was made the butt of the joke. At heart, he was a jerk. He could dish it out but couldn't take it. Whereas I can see Nolan's Batman cornering Harley Quinn, demanding to know where the Joker is. Her accent starts to slip, revealing the voice of Heath Ledger. Harley is no fangirl- she's more like Talia on Batman Beyond.

  • June 6, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Hesiod2k7: I realized something similar

    by MurderMostFowl

    Everyone at the time of the 89 Batman said "oo it's darker and the technology is so impressive, etc, etc", but I think there's a reason Nicholson's Batman was tooCesar Romero for you... <BR><BR> I think that the 89 Batman basically is a very faithful story homage to the TV batman. Yes, the flat out obvious camp is taken out, but the up beat story, and "bubblegum" comic book element really is there when you remove the outer shell. <BR> Not that I think this is a bad thing. I think Batman 1 & 2 are the ultimate perfect versions of that batman universe. <BR><BR> Nolan's version is more compelling to me, now, as an adult of course, but one thing that Burton got right for me was Bruce Wayne. Nolan's Burton is more of a Tony Stark to me.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    As an adult

    by Punch Man

    I have more of problem with Nolan's "realistic" take on a person who could never realistically exist, than Burton's fairy tale. At least Burton knew he was dealing in fantasy. <br> Both great movies, but Nolan's tries to have it both ways, and can't.

  • June 6, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Should have saved Two Face for the 3rd movie.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • June 6, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Micheal Keaton

    by clupula

    always came off as too old to be Bruce Wayne.

  • June 6, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Macro Brain from Appointment with F.E.A.R

    by belasco_house

    just popped into my head.

  • June 6, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page as Harley Quinn

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Would be a nice cameo to set up for when the Joker comes back.

  • June 6, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    And James Gandolfini as The Penquin

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Another cameo.

  • June 6, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    just give me a real goddamned Batcave and a real goddamned

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    Batmobile. a grey and black suit wouldn't hurt, either... i'm with punto above, screw the bulky armor shit.

  • June 6, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Hit Girl from "Kick-Ass" as Harley Quinn

    by brocknroll

    Ellen Page would not make a good Harley Quinn. Harley Quinn is a character that is made for a little girl. The girl from the "Kick-Ass" movie, forgot her name, would be great for Harley Quinn.

  • June 6, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Yeah, like that's going to happen

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

  • June 6, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    ESCALATION: SEND IN THE SUPERMAN!

    by robertplant

    Only way to go.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Burton is more of a Tony Stark to me.

    by TreyStoller

    I bet Nolan's Burton is better than Burton's Nolan.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Daniel Craig as The Riddler

    by RPLocke

    Have you seen that guy in fight sequences? Holy shit.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Woody Harrelson is the Riddler

    by brocknroll

    Woody's got the similar look from the Frank Gorshin, Riddler from the TV series. Plus, Woody has got the right fit for the comic role that the Riddler has. I notice some people here want Daniel Craig as the Riddler,but he's not the right fit in my opinion. I'd say go for Woody for the Riddler.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    As long as Batman keeps his mouth shut...

    by alienindisguise

    I don't care who the villain is.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    But will the lights be trashed???

    by Triple_J_72

    That is the real question.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Seriously, alienindisguise...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...Bale needs to ease back a little on his Billy Goat Gruff voice or whatever the hell it's supposed to be. Batman should should dangerous but understated like Eastwood, not like he's talking while choking on a tablespoon of peanut butter.

  • June 6, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    JEH as riddler? A 5'2" Riddler?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    Call me a purist, but I think of Riddler as a tall, thin dude. Of course JEH was the only actor in Watchmen that nailed his role, so who knows.

  • And he's said in the record that he's ashamed to be working with comic book characters. Yeah,this is JUST who DC needs in charge of their movies. Nolan struggles so hard to make Batman "realistic" that he makes it boring in the process. Give me Timm/Dini/or even Burton any day of the week....

  • June 6, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    BJ THOMAS:

    by Ditko

    Here´s how you make a good Batman 3 villain. Listen: The Riddler. But the Riddler isn´t some young man, he´s someone past his prime, not a teenager nor a 30something. And forget about cliché casting. woody Harreson? Gimme a break: HERE´S YOUR RIDDLER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t30cX6OGO0U

  • June 6, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/bvc8wm

    by Ditko

  • June 6, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Why all the Cat Woman hate?

    by garybuseys_incisors

    I think she would fit perfectly in Nolan's Batverse. And Olivia Wilde would be awesome as Cat Woman.

  • June 6, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    My choice for Penguin

    by ShadowVision

    I vote Paul Giamatti as the Penguin. Philip Seymour Hoffman already stated that he isn't interested in playing that role.

  • June 6, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    The best part of Hush?

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    When the mysterious new villain turned about to be the mysterious new old friend. Sheesh. That story blew. Loeb peaked at Long Halloween and Superman For All Seasons...

  • June 6, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Fuck Joker and Catwoman

    by johnnywalkerblack

    Make it Killer Croc let's see Nolan bring that character to life!

  • June 6, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    dr joshua perper as egghead!

    by alice133

    eeeeggsellent!

  • June 6, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Lets see, you are going to follow up TDK...

    by Continentalop

    ...Where Batman faces his most infamous enemy and people are suggesting Hush, Ra's al Ghul, Talia and Killer Croc as the follow up villains? Villains the majority of people outside of the comic book crowd (us guys) don't know anything about. <P> Or they are suggesting Superman or someone with powers, going against the "realism" that Nolan has put in his movies which, like them or not, have been incredibly successful and profitable. <P> Fanboys might not like the idea but really the best villains to fit the needs of the next Batman movie is the old "classic" members of his rogue gallery: The Penguin, The Riddler and Catwoman. All three are well known and established, and all three can be adapted to fit Nolan's Batman-Universe and it's appearance of realism. I know a lot of people want to see Batman fight someone new but to be honest if I was an executive or even the Nolan brothers and wanted to make this last film a big hit I would use one of the three I mentioned above. They are the most logical choices.

  • June 6, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Herc you should always be drunk

    by FrodoFraggins

    You become like 1000x more likable!

  • June 6, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    James Earl Jones for Penguin.

    by RPLocke

  • June 6, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Kate Beckiensale for Catwoman

    by The Taste

    I am really pulling for her and I think she would wake a great Catwoman and if I spelled her last name wrong please forgive me Zod. Oh and the Last movie should be called "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS".....

  • June 6, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    fit the movie/series or fit the franchise?

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Because reusing villains with higher profiles outside of comics is what what Mattel would want. I'm sure Nolan could make Chandell (highest ratings Adam West's show ever got) or Kite Man work if he really wanted but I think the story established so far has better in's for Harley, Talia or Anarky than Catwoman, Riddler or Penguin.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    CCA, I think Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin

    by Continentalop

    Work a lot better than Harley, Talia or Anarky. What weight or gravitas does any of those characters have? None really, except for what comic book fans put in them. <P> The big three have, for good or bad, a bunch of name recognition AND gravitas. You want to raise the stakes against Batman you don't send an unknown, you send a guy from that has a long established history. <p> Plus I think the last big three villains fit his universe best. And that includes The Penguin.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Talia has no weight?

    by clupula

    Are you kidding? The mother of Bruce Wayne's son? The daughter of Ra's al Ghul? If you are looking at the arc of the movies, she fits in PERFECTLY with the first film, and the battle in Bruce's mind between his need to avenge the wrongs in Gotham City and his need to live a normal life. Sure, Harley may not really bring anything to the overall arc, but Talia certainly does.<BR><BR>What exactly does the Riddler bring to the conclusion of Batman's story? He's not involved in any major events in Batman's life, as opposed to, say Bane or Azrael or Hush or Talia or Ra's. The Riddler and Penguin are just faces from his rogue's gallery. Nothing more. They may be a bit more well-known because of the Burton/Schumacher movies, but otherwise, I can guarantee you the average person on the street who doesn't read comics probably has a higher opinion of say, Mr. Freeze, than the Penguin.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    by BurnHollywood

    OMG, they pulled THAT hackneyed stunt? And I keep hearing how great that storyline was...<p> BRUCE WAYNE: Well, well, if it isn't my old, childhood friend...uh...um...<p> ALFRED (whispering): Dr. Thomas Elliot!<p> BRUCE WAYNE: ...Dr. Thomas Elliot! Great to see you again, ol' pal!

  • June 6, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Here's who I wanted to play the Joker: Bale.

    by CountryBoy

    He's in makeup the whole time anyway; and how cool would it be for the same actor to play the hero and villain? (If Mike Meyers can do it...) Obviously they would never do something so crazy, but I always thought it'd be great. Bale could even lose 80 lbs again for the Joker role...

  • June 6, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    I may be in the minority here

    by garybuseys_incisors

    But I have always thought Talia was a weak character. Mother of Batman's son or not, I have never liked her and always thought she was kind of stupid. Catwoman>>>>Talia

  • June 6, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by BurnHollywood

    "CCA, I think Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin work a lot better than Harley, Talia or Anarky. What weight or gravitas does any of those characters have?"<p> I fully agree. Harley's utterly useless if The Joker's not part of the plot. Her entire backstory is her relationship to Mr. J...how the hell do you explain that if he's not in it? A blathering expositionary monologue?<p> As for Anarky...anyone suggesting this please see my bit on fan favorites wa-a-a-ay above. Long story short, if a studio head has to Google the character, it's not happening.<p> Talia, though, has potential purely due to her daddy being in the first, so I can't rule her out, especially if there really is some sort of "arc" thing going on. I could easily see them partially rehashing the Hush storyline with her as the vengeful puppetmaster.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    clupula, characters who are part of Batman's life...

    by Continentalop

    ...Are just forced soap opera elements of the modern era. Bane broke Batman's back - until the next crisis in 20 years negates that, and people have already moved on and forgotten it anyways. What was a "major" event in Batman's life is now just an embarrassing comic book episode up there with Doomsday killing Superman. Same with Azreal. Artificial drama to sell comic books to jaded fans. <P> As for Talia having weight. Really? Daughter of Ra's Al Ghul, a villain most people don't know about, and mother to Batman's child, a character who will probably be retconned out of existence in the next 15-years. <p> As for The Riddler and Penguin just being faces in Batman's Rogue Gallery, I guess the same could be said of Professor Moriarty or Goldfinger or Dr. No. No one remembers those characters at all because they never effected their heroes personal life, right? <P> No, people remember them because they had style, substance and a uniqueness that makes them worthy of being remembered. They didn't have to resort to being a "major" event in the heroes life to give them importance because they were important to begin with. Same with Joker. Nolan and co. went back to the Joker's first appearance and looked at what made him great back then and tapped into it for this adaption of the Joker. As much as people like to think it was the Killing Joke that they were mining, it really was Batman #1. And the same thing could be done with The Penguin and Riddler, discarding years of bad stories and characterization and going back to what made those characters so memorable to begin with. <P>

  • June 6, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    TDK actually set up Catwoman as next villian...

    by OutsideChance

    Bruce is now an outlaw. Instead of a hero and beloved symbol to Gotham he's a hated outlaw. He's questioning if the whole thing is worthwhile. He's thinking "if they want a monster maybe I should be a monster." At the same time, a beautiful cat-burglar in getup similar to his starts making heists in Gotham. Eventually she meets and she starts tempting him over to the dark side. Completely realistic and completely in character with the Nolanverse.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Dr. No?!?

    by clupula

    Do you think anyone outside of the hardcore James Bond fans even knows who that is? Hell, I'd go so far as to say that the public wouldn't even be able to name Blofield.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Batman's dark side

    by clupula

    would not be him becoming a jewel thief. It would be him wondering if maybe it is just to kill criminals if they are truly unreasonable.

  • June 6, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    In fact, if you want to go with the dark side

    by clupula

    thing, Azrael would pretty much be Batman's dark side. A vigilante who kills without remorse just as easily as the criminals that he hunts down. If Batman did that, what would make him any different from those he hunts?<br><BR> And Batman is a fugitive BY CHOICE. It was HIS idea to be framed for Dent's murder. Why would he suddenly start thinking he should become a monster, when saying the truth would clear his name?

  • June 6, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    What Conti said

    by garybuseys_incisors

    The Knightfall story was made up drama to simply try and sell comic books. Azrael was a weak character, IMO, and Bane had potential but was completely wasted, IMO.

  • June 6, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    clupula

    by OutsideChance

    Yes, it was his choice. But sometimes people start to question their own choices.

  • June 6, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    What if we get Scarecrow back as the lead?

    by brocknroll

    Scarecrow was the main villain in "Batman: Begins". Do you think it's possible Nolan could bring him back? Don't be surprised that he could.

  • June 6, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Bane was wasted

    by clupula

    That's where Nolan can work his magic.

  • June 6, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    My idea is simple

    by clupula

    The reason why I see the Knightfall storyline as the perfect end to Nolan's arc is that Azrael presents an opportunity for Bruce to finally do what he seems to want to do in the movies: give up being Batman. Someone else can do it and he can try to live a normal life. After all, being Batman is what cost him Rachel. But it's not so easy once he sees what Azrael does with the cowl. He sees that Azrael is just as much of a monster as the people he fights, and so Bruce has to go and become Batman once again.<BR><BR> After Azrael is defeated, either Azrael says he did it or the police assume that it was the "other" Batman who actually killed Dent, so Batman's name is cleared, but Bruce finally realizes that being Batman is his destiny. The movie ends with him finally accepting what it is he has to do. It not only completes the arc, but it makes it so that if there is a next director, he can just go straight to sequels without having to reboot the franchise. Batman has accepted who he is and it's cost him a lot, but he realizes that the cost would be even greater if he gave up.

  • June 6, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    People are suggesting Azrael with a straight face?!?

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    That goof belongs in the 1990s. Has there ever been one classic comic story involving Azrael? Would the general public know who he is, or care? Same goes for Hush. Why don't we leave the writing of the film to... oh, I don't know, the critically and financially successful team behind the first two? And save the fanfic for wherever dark corners of the Internet fanfic goes...

  • June 6, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    It's not about whether it's a classic character or not

    by clupula

    It's about completing the story that Nolan began. And yes, I know they are the ones writing it. I think all of us do. Otherwise, you wouldn't have people suggesting the Joker even after Nolan said there wouldn't be a Joker.<BR><BR>If none of us shared who we wanted to see, this thread would've been three or four posts of people going, "Oh. Okay. I guess we won't see the Joker then."

  • June 6, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    I don't think his story involves fourth-rate characters...

    by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING

    I can only guess we won't see Prometheus, Hush, Azrael, Bane, or any other pisspoor excuse of a villain in the next film.

  • June 6, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    clupula, I think me and you have different taste

    by Continentalop

    And I don't mean that as an insult but as an obvious truth. You seem to be a modern Batman fan, someone who grew up on the stories from the 90s and on. <P> Myself, I grew up on the Adams, O'Neil, Englehart and Miller stories, but that isn't the stuff that truly interest me. What I really love is the Golden Age Batman, outdated and all. Because that is where the idea of Batman at his purest was presented and we can see what about that idea caught on. <p> And not to sound presumptuous, but it seems to be the Golden Age Batman is what inspires Nolan as well. He has taken Bats from Superhero back to being a Pulpish costume crimefighter, which is a huge difference. And he has taken Joker and Two-Face from comic book super-villains to Pulp Arch-Criminals. The Joker is closer to Fantomas than he is Green Goblin or Doc Oct. <P> And that is why I think the Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman work best. They are Arch-Criminals, not super-villains. And while they might not mean anything to you or play any part in any "major" events in Batman's life, they are symbolically important. Just like Joker represented the chaotic nature of crime that Batman must confront, so do his other great foes represent concepts that Batman must overcome. That is why they are timeless. <P>

  • June 6, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I think doing anything Knightfall

    by garybuseys_incisors

    Would be too much to add to one movie. I think in this 3rd movie we will see Batman come full circle with who he is and what he has to do. While the Knightfall story can certainly accomplish said objective, I think that it would be too much out of left field for the Nolan Batverse, let alone too much material to attempt to cram into one movie.

  • June 6, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Let's Look at the Comics they used

    by RayjDeLaMaraca

    so for the last film they used "The Long Halloween" and the "Killing Joke" as inspiration for the film. In Batman Begins they used "The Long Halloween" as well as "Batman: Year One". I'm thinking they'll continue with the help from "The Long Halloween" and use "Catwomen: When in Rome". Here's a link and check it out, it uses Catwoman and the Riddler and also mentions falconi which would work for the films. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman:_When_in_Rome

  • June 6, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    RayDelLaMaraca, actually TDK

    by Continentalop

    Is a pretty faithful adaptation of Batman #1 (1940), the Joker's very first appearance.

  • June 6, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood . . . Not Quite . . .

    by Dave I

    "Well, yeah, I KNOW you guys would be there for the next Batman, even if they brought back Schumacher to direct and made the villain Crazy Quilt..."<p><p>No, if I think they went off the deep-end a/o brought in some directer I hated (I wasn't a fan of Burton's Batman, LOATHED Schumacher), I'd skip it.<p><p>I can see your point. I really, honestly can. That said, two things:<p><p>1) That does not mean I have to accept it. Even if my $7 adds up to virtually nothing compared to the general ticket-buying public, I still use my money to support things I like (not just characters/series, but themes, styles of storytelling, etc.). So I'll buy tickets/DVDs/video-games/etc. for the type of stuff I'd like to see get support in the future.<p><p>2) The real reason I rant and rave about what I like on these talkbacks in particular is not to invoke some geek fanboy wet dream. It is two-fold; first, to show support for (while chatting about) the type of story I would like with fellow fans, while also being a voice should movie execs or ANYBODY who has any remote influence on this stuff actually read this stuff and realize there is an audience for _____________. Fill in the blank. In this case, that blank is a fairly realistic, possibly unknown, functional character, whomever that is, for the next Batman movie. In the future it could be me shouting from the mountaintop my support for a certain genre, director, actor, style of storytelling, etc.<p><p>But mainly, I feel it is imperative to note that I will never pay a red cent to see something the likes of Schumacher's Batman, Rattner's X-men (not really his fault, but suck it Fox, that movie blew), Wolverine (still haven't seen it, suck it Fox!), or anything else I have strong issues against. I view my cinematic purchases very much a statement to studios, both in what I support as well as what I intentionally boycott or feel is just not worth my time & money.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 6, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    clupula . . . Batman's Dark Side

    by Dave I

    "Batman's Dark Side would not be him becoming a jewel thief. It would be him wondering if maybe it is just to kill criminals if they are truly unreasonable."<p><p>Even if they don't go the Knightfall route, I think they touched on that with Batman almost snapping and going ballistic on the Joker to try and find out where Harvey & Rachel were. I would not be surprised to find some version of Batman riding that razor's edge. I do not think it will be with Bane though (at all, but especially not as a juiced-up super villain), but who knows.<p><p>-Cheers

  • June 6, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, they could definitely

    by clupula

    explore that with a different villain. It's just that the Knightfall storyline is already there for the adapting and it does fit the arc perfectly.<bR><BR> I mean, there are obvious changes that would have to be made (take out the whole Robin subplot, don't make Bruce actually paralyzed, just fucked up by Bane, take out the stupid genetic engineering part of Azrael's background, and make what was the death of Abattoir in the comic into the death of Bane), but it could still be done. I trust Nolan will do something good, either way. I just think the Knightfall storyline lends itself perfectly to where he took the story.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by clupula

    Oh, I don't consider it an insult at all. We like what we like. I'm not a traditional comics fan, but did get into Batman in the 90's when it started to become darker. In fact, I think the first Batman story I got into was the Killing Joke, and not even when it first came out. We're definitely from different generations on this.<BR><BR>And, it's funny, actually because I don't really see Azrael as that great a character, but I do think with a little modification, he could work within the Nolanverse, and, as I said, if Nolan is doing one big story arc, Knightfall fits in where he left off.<BR><BR>But I do agree to disagree with you. Neither of us are actually going to be doing the writing, but I find it fun to speculate and share what I would do. I assume the rest of the talkbackers here feel the same, even if very few of us agree on how the next movie should be done.

  • June 6, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Catwoman's lame

    by SithMenace

    Bring on Riddler and Bane.

  • June 7, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Knightfall would have to be its own trilogy

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm not against Knightfall being portrayed on film, but it would need to be three movies long. It would be cool to see someone film Knightfall after Nolan finishes up his trilogy. It'll never happen, but it's fun to think about.

  • June 7, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    joker should be in part 3!

    by cloudrider`

    if film 2 is heat+zodiac, then part 3 should be silence of the lamb/manhunter. joker should have a role(albeit a minor one) in whatever batman has to deal with in part 3. you think a force such as him would be content to just sit around in a padded cell? <p> it'd give us a different joker/batman dynamic than we got in film 2. and i always thought that'd present a cool opportunity to finally introduce harley quinn to the big screen. wasted opportunity.

  • June 7, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    the casting for inception

    by cloudrider`

    i thought nolan was auditioning for bat 3 as well with his casting for inception. two birds with one stone kind of thing. i mean, it couldnt be more perfect: <p> gordon levitt - joker is padded cell <p> ellen page - harley quinn <p> marion cotillard - catwoman <p> dicaprio - riddler? <p> then you got caine, watanabe, cillian murphy, all from the nolan batverse.

  • June 7, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Crispin Glover as Riddler

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Make it happen!

  • June 7, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    David Tennat=Riddler

    by ObiWanBrodie

    I've said this since the end of Batman Begins, and I am still sticking by it. I really think Tennant would fit well in a Nolan movie, esp. this one.

  • June 7, 2010, 1:30 a.m. CST

    David Tennant=Riddler

    by ObiWanBrodie

    I've said this since the end of Batman Begins, and I am still sticking by it. I really think Tennant would fit well in a Nolan movie, esp. this one.

  • June 7, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    clupula

    by Continentalop

    We also won't be deciding who should be stating for the Lakers, how Steven King should have ended the Dark Tower and how to solve the problems in the Middle East, but we can still have fun debating the issues.

  • June 7, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    SithMenace, did you just call Catwoman lame

    by Continentalop

    But want Bane in the next film? How is Catwoman lamer than Bane? Answer: she isn't.

  • June 7, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Continentalop

    "And another thing to stop and think about is that The Riddler isn't defined by Frank Gorshin's tights or those stupid fucking question marks and emerald green Lone Ranger mask...it's by riddles. In the same way that the The Joker is creepy because he makes jokes that only he finds funny, a Nolan Riddler could have a creepy new twist by being a maniac who crafts riddles only his warped mind can solve. <p> "Step outside your fucking box." <p> Very true. I think to many people are stuck on the idea that the villains have to be based on the "canon" of how they have been depicted Post-Crisis. There is 70 years of Batman stories - we don't have to have the characters married to how they are depicted nowadays, especially when a better interpretation might have existed in the past.

  • June 7, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST

    AnnaLynne Mccord as Catwoman?

    by Timstuff

    I know she's on 90210, but holy cow... LOOK AT HER! She looks like Michelle Pfiefer x10! Even if they don't want a blonde Catwoman this time, they could just dye her hair and I'm sure she'd still look great.

  • June 7, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Ditko - Se7en

    by mrbong

    people write it as Se7en because that's how the film is officially registered. check the copyright thing at the end credits, and indeed the BBFC register of classified films. i understand fucknut Americans get confused by the concept and would rather use "Seven" as the name, but that's not what the writer nor the makers of the film wanted.

  • June 7, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST