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No Joker For Nolan’s Third Batman!!
I am – Hercules!!
“No,” Jonathan Nolan tells Empire Magazine when asked if the Joker will appear in Nolan’s third “Batman” movie.
I applaud his resolve. There’s no reason to sully what was the finest depiction of Batman’s most iconic nemesis. Best to explore new avenues rather than hire Jeffrey Weissman or somebody to dilute in our memories “The Dark Knight’s” brilliance.
There’s still no word on which villain(s) the next movie will employ (Nolan says it won’t be Victor Fries either), but I know who I want.
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Nerds? Please?
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Sorry, fanboys!
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only morons thought he would recast the Joker in this trilogy. No new Joker until the next reboot from a new director.
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"No". How about "No" to Catwoman as well? Por favor?
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...that Batmite finally gets his film debut. for chrissakes make it happen, he'd totally fit into Nolan's world.
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Just no damn catwoman
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Not sorry that I heard it elsewhere, spellcheck.
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Heath's performance needs to stand along for a very long time. Lets keep moving forward.
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it doesnt say
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Or maybe Black Mask.
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His true archenemy from the animated series from long ago, the one the only Moonman!!!
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it's a full on detective story with the Riddler making Batman's life a living hell with his many awesome and appauling riddles to solve. kill off Fox ( i like him but Batman shoud need him no longer). <p> lastly, i'd love it if Batman gets a new suit, one that isn't so armoured. make it more fabric so he can be more stealthy when giving cops the slip. i know it most likely won't happen but i'd love to see Batman look a bit more like the comics in that respect.
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his Joker is "finer" than Ledger's (in my opinion). <P> I'm not disparaging Ledger's Joker, which was great, but I saw Batman again recently and Nicholson's turn is much more fun, entertaining and ICONIC than Ledger's.
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Wouldn't mind seeing Ra's Al Ghul again
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.... Even if it was in a smaller role. Heath did a good job, but a decent actor in the same make-up good still shine. Harry potter managed with a new dumbledore. Linking a character to a particular actor is a dangerous precedent that could prevent other directors taking a risk with re- introducing previously screened players into existing franchises. I say start screen testing good actors with a likeness to Heath ledger in make up and move on to complete a great batman trilogy.
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Seriously... Catwoman!?!? She's too ridiculous for this Batman, and frankly, not interesting enough. They also should avoid the Penguin... The only issue with the Riddler is that they might make him too similar to the Joker, but I really have no problem with that.
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if they made mentions of the Joker, maybe say something about him in incarcerated in Arkham. Maybe have killer Croc as a cannibal thug like in that cool Joker comic. meh who knows... just know that i don't want to see catwoman.
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Sorry, but NO. I've had enough enough enough of the love thing in batman movies. HE ALWAYS BRINGS THEM BACK TO THE BATCAVE. I CAN'T STAND IT! Please, please please don't put her in it. Stay away from Penguin, or Catwoman. I think more than anything I would surely love to see Batman use his detective skill and solve an actual crime. I loved Begins and Dark Knight, but please give us some detective. Make the Bat have to try to use his brain as well as his tech and cool gear. Just no more damn love interests. At least if there are, DON'T BRING EM TO THE CAVE...PLEASE!!
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as a very concise criminal that rivals Wayne's maybe. in this way it would be very different from the Joker, and would give a great challenge to Batman - a real battle of wits... batman would be knee deep in solving cool and horrible puzzles.
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Two Face was much more interesting.
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It's comparing apples to oranges. They are both excellent and in two different kinds of movies. Why try to rate them against each other?
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<p>Joker's done. Bring on some new villains.</p> <p>Too bad they completely wasted Two Face in Dark Knight.</p>
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Or is that Catwoman? You'd think a cat burglar would pick an outfit that made movement easier, rather than skin-tight leather that shows off her big... soft... round... What were we talking about?
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Herc man, no need to drag Jeffrey Weissman through the dirt (he's an acquaintance of mine) - he wasn't even the one who caused that whole BTTF cluster f**k.. It was Crispin Glover - J.W. was just hired to do as he was told - anyway, glad we're not gonna try to do THAT with the Joker.. I feel your pain.. but JW is a hard working actor and a nice guy.. Harsh...
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have Riddler or whoever it is kill off Fox at the beginning to show how real a threat the new baddie is. it could also be the start of tormenting Wayne, like 'i know who you are, let the madness begin' or something like that. <p> catwoman, poison ivy, man bat, NO NO NO. there are many villains that would just not fit in unless they are completely re-imagined by Nolan. <p> OR maybe Nolan will take a lesser known villain and turn him into something cool.
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My only beef would be that visually he would be uninteresting (assuming they don't put him in a ridiculous suit with question marks all over it). The first movie had scarecrow, the second Joker. They were both visually interesting and comic booky without being over the top. The updated riddler would likely be a smart guy in a suit or something.
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lost is offically everywhere.
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I can't remember, bring him back if he didn't.
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I would like to see a DARKER villan. I would like to see a darker rogues gallery of UNportrayed characters! Pick 2!) Killer Croc, Talia AlGulh, The Mad Hatter, Clayface, the Ventriloquist, Mr. Zsasz, Solomon Grundy, Man Bat, or Solomon Grundy! Personally I'd like to see Zsasz done DARK! (Se7en-ish), maybe mixed with Kiler Croc! Murders all over Gotham bringing the Batman BACK into public favor when he stops tham?... Talia Al Guhl as a secondary character?
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...I just mentioned lost in the Hawkguys (get it, cuz he looks gay) tb... are we all goin back to the island?
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I am going to be putting it over and over... And yes, Harv is no longer with us.
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I dont care if it's one or 2 movies down the road, save him for the next film, and whatever actor is daring enough to play the role. We NEED a Joker!! You just can't DROP the character.
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Who do you think made the last movie a giant hit, Nolan.....You????
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...ya know, everyone has that favorite character ever, and Joker is mines... kinda sad and depressin really... "all it takes is one bad day to turn the sanest man alive to lunacy"
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... to anyone? However, the Joker will be back sooner or later, and rightfully so. Ledger's performance was indeed iconic, but it is no sacred cow. There will always be reason for another artist's interpretation of any role. Also, if they go with Catwoman, my interest in "Batman 3" will drop considerably. My vote is for The Reaper (Year 2), but that is a total longshot.
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And rightly so.....Yelchin for Grayson.
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and I can't imagine Catwoman or The Penguin working in a Nolan film.
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Surprised there are so many Selina haters out there. Catwoman is a classic character - and it would be cool to see her claw into Bruce's life after he lost Rachel - who he thought would somehow end up with him. And there is absolutely no reason they can't bring back Harvey. I know some have said he is surely dead - but there was no proof of this other than his unconscious body. The whole "he's dead" can just be a way Batman and Gordon protect the his legacy. It would make a great story.
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If I were Movie-Version-Batman, I would get bored to death fighting the same 4 or 5 villians! Thank God they're not going to Joker the shit out of us!
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I thought they'd pull a Superman Returns (with Marlon Brando) and use snippets of spare material to construct a cameo of him in the shadows of an Arkham Asylum cell, closing out the whole trilogy with a real kick!
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That's what would please me, along with perhaps some version of the Riddler around F'ing things up. I could see them introducing "Selina Kyle." But Catwoman? I just don't see Nolan and Goyer "going there"...but fanboy pressure may get to them (although it SHOULDN'T LET IT).
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Catwoman done right yet.
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Would be great, but he's probably too obscure for the average moviegoer. (I believe there was a reference to him tin Dark Knight, no?)<br> Keeping that in mind, it's probably gonna have to be Catwoman or the Riddler. But I trust in Nolan, so I have faith it will be handled with aplomb.
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we are all on the island.forever.
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If Nolan does Catwoman, it won't be like what we've seen before... With Wayne losing his love, I could see Nolan forcing Batman to fall in love with the girl behind Catwoman, forcing maybe even to kill her and then find out who she is, With the Riddler behind it all, Batman going nuts to expose the riddler... No matter what he does, it will most likely be awesome. Also, Catwoman would have some crazy porno gimp outfit and be totally disturbing, it wouldn't be like what we've seen before...
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as well. I wish they had stuck with their original plan and had Harvey get scarred at the end of Film 2, and have Two Face be more of a nemesis for Film 3.
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but ohhh no, we gotta have real estate lex over and over and over again... i hope nolan is going to fix that for the next supes film. <p> and as much as it sucks... Dent is very dead, jonathon nolan said it himself in an interview.
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The movie could potentially be absolutely fantastic if they choose to go with The Riddler. </P> <P>The Nolan brothers have a very sophisticated, intelligent "weave" to their movies, which suggests they would be capable of turning the idea of a "riddle-writing bad-guy" into something very clever and rewarding for repeat viewings.
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...tossed a few ashes and bone fragments into the Lazarus Pit and "DING" out popped their boss, good as new? Naw... don't think Nolan's gonna go there.
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she looks just like that image posted above, plus she's in Nolan's INCEPTION. GET IT DONE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!
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so croc, freeze and mr.mud(whatever)..won't be the antogonists.I'm sure it's The Riddler or the Penguin.
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I think it brings things perfectly full circle...mysterious woman arrives in town seeking revenge on Brucey, perhaps initially through corporate means...through snooping she confirms that he's also "The Batman"...attacks him both ways. Meanwhile Batman is already distracted by some new psycho in town calling himself out by using "riddles." And Ra's shows up alive in the third act. That's how I would do it. But whatever...
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They need to find just the right actress.
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It was an interview with and quote from Christopher Nolan, the director, not Jonathan Nolan, the writer.
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Which is kinda lame. I'd love to see someone knew. ClayFace would be cool, they did him tottally right in the cartoon...then again they did EVERYTHING right in that cartoon.
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June 4, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST
If the Joke is a no-go, we still got the Smoker and
by idrinkyourmilkshake
the Midnight Toker.
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...albeit a Riddler unlike any we've seen before. Maybe with Catwoman thrown in as well. At least it won't be Jim Carrey's full-retard Riddler. (Bet Carrey gets all pissy about it, too, just like Jack Nicholson did about Ledger's Joker.)
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I'm pretty sure he's not interested in that character, either.
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Badassery.The level of quality in most parts of that episode were amazing.I saw most, as it seemed as half was done by one studio, the other half by another.
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i'm sure there was more than one interview... the one i heard was a non-british jonathan nolan. <p>as for Catwoman - i'd only give the nolans a chance to do this and make it cool... just never really liked the character.
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Make him an arms dealer with ties to the criminal underworld. He could lead a double life just like Batman/Bruce Wayne. Also he would have to be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
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2face lives!!!!!
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Something about he doesn't see how a little fat Englishman with a big nose wearing a tux and tails could fit into his Batman world.
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1 Zsasz was in Batman Begins - he was the defendant in court the first time you see scarecrow (not scarecrow yet, but his real name escapes me) 2 Remember in TDK when Bruce asked Lucious if the armor in his new suit would stop a dog and Lucious said it would work against cats? That's called foreshadowing. That and Rachel being dead should be more than enough to tell you who Nolan plans to have in the next movie
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I want to see Joker on the big screen again someday. But I don't mind waiting. I'm eager to see some more villains though!
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...which probably means they're the ones... [SIGH]
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and Talia.
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...BP!
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nolan could work wonders with riddler. i have a feeling that's who he already chose. they still have yet to show a badass riddler on screen
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Think about it. Rachel is dead, Bats needs a new love interest. You can't do a Rachel character again, so enter Catwoman. But the Nolans will be the first to do Catwoman absolutely right. They'll give us a Catwoman we could never have imagined. And I agree the Riddler could/would be too similar to the Joker. Viggo Mortensen as Pumkinhead, anyone?
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the figure who takes over the mob's role... since they're taken down, penguin steps in... more escalation? in taking down the mob, batman has open another can of worms. of course he shouldn't be the big baddy in the film, i'd reserve that for Riddler. penguin would be smaller potatoes.
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No way was Nolan gonna re-cast. But I'd actually like to see Catwoman.
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... He's going to use a main villain that is most well-known to the public at large... i.e. Riddler and Catwoman, there's two right there. Zasz, Killer Croc, Talia, Clayface, et al... ask the average person and get a blank stare.
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Instead of having him literally be a penguin,(sorry devito.) Have him be a rival(evil) business man played by Philip Seymour Hoffman. That would absolutely rock.
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Or will Bruce be stuck in a tiny garage?
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I predict the Nolan bros will want to go back to what they got to do in Batman Begins: present villains that have not appeared in the previous movies. TDK was obligatory fan service when it came to the villains they selected for it.
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Another way to look at that...is that it's just a nod to fanboys...and that's all you're getting! TALIA fits ALL of the reasons to have CATWOMAN in the movie...and MUCH MORE character potential. After ALL the shit Batman's dealt with over the last two films, do you really think a CAT-BURGLER would feel like a threat to Bruce? Perhaps Nolan(s)/Goyer will COMBINE elements of TALIA into Catwoman, or vice versa...? A leather-clad ASSASSIN, perhaps?
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...He could work as a amoral, scheming, evil little fuck. Just no circus henchmen, please. Riddler a al Hush, a schemer who's even smarter than Bats himself, could work as well. He's nothing like the Joker, really.
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That's what I was thinking too, he could be a corporate rival for Bruce Wayne which would add an interesting dynamic to the film and also lead a double life in the criminal underworld, sort of a shadowy figure. PSH would be perfect.
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the penguin
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Make it happen!!
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Seriously. Just give me ManBat...YES MANBAT...AND Clayface. OOoooo they're not realistic enough for - STUFF IT. That's a Batman movie I'd want to see.
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Who do you picture for Selina? I say Eva Green, and let her keep the accent.
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But we won't see it while Nolan's at the helm.
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He'd be perfect.
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I could see Oswald (and played by Philip Seymour Hoffman) playing Oswald, minus the wah-wah affectations, who battles Bruce Wayne in the board room to try to take over Wayne Industries. (In some versions of the Batman DC comics canon, Thomas Wayne and Oswald's father were Gotham high society rivals.) I don't see such a realistic version of the Penguin being the major villain in the next movie, but more of a rival/problem for Bruce (not his alter-ego Batman) that he has to deal with, at the same time. Oswald Cobblepot could own a lounge in the seedy part of Gotham that has ties to the Gotham mobs. Essentially, this version of the Penguin could play a part similar to Rutger Hauer's in Batman Begins.
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One day my friend...one day.
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Could easily just be a mob boss. Played by Paul Fucking Giamatti. "DO WE JUST SUCK, OR IS HE REALLY THAT GOOD!?"
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will be back for sure - i bet they start the film with it in full swing and awesome as hell. <p> penguin thing could work, but making him a rival of Wayne is a little too Justin Hammer Iron Man 2. skip that for sure. penguin as a little businessman prick who Bats has to take down for information would be cool. not everyone has to rival the hero... just the main villain, and penguin is no main villain, he's a second stringer.
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YES!
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I don't think we'll ever see a better take on the Penguin as we got in 'Batman Returns.' The same could almost be said for Catwoman. Though flawed, the second Burton film holds up better than the original 'Batman.' It has a more timeless feel to it. I honestly can't see anyone topping Danny DeVito's Penguin. TDK's Two-Face was good enough to make everyone forget Tommy Lee Jones' campy incarnation in the forgettable 'Batman Forever.' Now we just need to see the Riddler done right.
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Make it scary Nolan.
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and I love the Joker, but Ill rather watch Returns before Batman... just the ballroom scene when Bruce and Selena found out about each other was great...
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Go back and watch the first Burton Movie. Go back and watch the second Burton Movie. What do they feel like. Batman movies. The Nolan's feel like The Batman Identity and The Batman Ultimatum. The Dark Knight as a film starts off great but falls on it's face by the third act. I know that's not a popular opinion, but killing off Two Face, the Bat Radar omnipotence, castrating of the Joker at the end. Weak weak weak
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Erm. As much as it's unpopular to say, my favourite Batman film is still BATMAN RETURNS and a big, big part of that is Michelle Pfeiffer's incredible work as Catwoman.<p>I'd love to see Nolan's Catwoman -- I actually think it's the perfect character to bring in.
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BATMAN RETURNS RULES!
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I'm glad someone else is on the same page. A corporate rival who can hurt batman financially and is also hiring/arming/funding all the bad guys now that the joker is gone. Is it the Riddler that figures out Batman's identity in the comics?
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I pray the use "rise of" in the title.
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...with you 100% on animated Clayface. Character translated so well to cell animation.
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everybody knows it's going to be the riddler. please stop these worthless discussions
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And can we finally have a Catwoman who is NOT supernatural? Just a highly trained thief/fighter, who can actually bring some levity to the dour happenings in Gotham. Besides Joker, Catwoman is Batman's best known and most iconic foil (not really a nemesis), and playing with the idea of their cooperation/competition should make for a good movie. I'm SO GLAD they're not going to go with some obscure fanboy pick like Bane or Black Mask. Catwoman is a PERFECT fit for the Gotham Nolan has created, I can't wait to see how they handle her onscreen. <p> And since it's not possible to clone one of Adam Hughes drawings for the role (which he says is a mixture of Audrey Hepburn and Carrie Ann Moss, among other influences), can we possibly get Emily Blunt? Either way, great news! Shame about Joker though, but I get why not.
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Director Christopher Nolan (“Inception”) concludes his Batman saga with the much-anticipated follow-up to “The Dark Knight,” the third biggest film of all-time: “Shadow of the Dark Knight” With the Joker and half the mob locked up and somewhat of a semblance of order returning to the streets of Gotham, Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale, “American Psycho") tries to shed his billionaire playboy image by using the company his parents built to do good for Gotham City (Chicago, “Chicago”). The police actively seek Batman as a suspect in several unsolved murders but with no sightings in nearly a year, dwindling public interest, and sympathetic Commissioner James Gordon (Gary Oldman, “Batman Begins,” “The Dark Knight”) calling the shots, the case has gone cold. Until an outspoken blowhard and ambitious mayoral candidate by the name of Oswald Cobblepot (Stephen Tobolowsky, “Memento”) incites public outrage and renewed interest, and pledges that when elected he will use a privately-funded security firm to bring Batman (Christian Bale, “Newsies,” “Terminator 4”) to swift justice. But Cobblepot has his own agenda and secretly charges a perfectionist private detective (Leonardo DiCaprio, “Inception”), who goes by the pseudonym Edward Nygma, the task of uncovering Batman’s true identity. Unbeknown to his client, Nygma suffers from debilitating and self-destructive obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and may very well be in the employ of another! Bruce Wayne suspects Cobblepot of having ties to criminal organizations and dons the cowl again so that Batman can conduct his own investigation, against the better judgment of his only two confidants: his trusty butler Alfred (Michael Caine, “Inception”), who finds the recently rebuilt Wayne Manor to be quite drafty and rather lonely, and longtime family friend Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman, “Lean on Me,” a car accident in Mississippi). Batman isn’t scaling from rooftops for long when he crosses paths—and finds solace—with a spry and seductive petty cat burglar (Marion Cotillard, “Inception,” France) who leads her own double life. Fox, the CEO of Wayne Enterprises, is mired in a scandal of his own after his secretary (Scarlett Johansson, “The Prestige”) goes missing and fowl play is suspected. Though all evidence points to him as the primary suspect, Fox suspects he’s been setup by creepy IT guy and avid hat enthusiast Jervis Tetch (Andy Serkis, “The Prestige”). While trying to clear his name, Fox uncovers an insidious plot involving a disgraced, deformed actor (Christian Bale—in a dual role!) who has been surgically altered to look like Bruce Wayne. Meanwhile in Arkham Asylum, the terrorist known only as the Joker (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, “Inception,” replacing his “Ten Things I Hate About You” costar and late Academy Award® winner Heath Ledger, “The Dark Knight,” Mary-Kate Olsen) rots in a solitary cell, confined in a straightjacket, suffering nightly physical abuse from a sadistic and oppressive male nurse (Javier Bardem, “No Country for Old Man”) and a deformed former crocodile wrestler turned burly guard (Mickey Rourke, “Iron Man 2”). Striped of his white “war paint,” his head shaved, and his mouth scars stretched even further, the Joker begins to exhibit convincing remorseful tendencies that go ignored by the asylum staff, but lure the empathy of a brilliant, over-achieving psychiatry student (Ellen Page, “Inception,” “Juno”) who quickly develops a deep fascination and perverse infatuation with her subject—a seductive secret she keeps even from her best friend and roommate (Piper Perabo, “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle”), an environmental science student and environmental activist who gets involved with environmental extremists. All of this comes together somehow, eventually culminating in a thrilling 90-minute climax that will change Bruce Wayne and Gotham City a little. WARNER BROS. PICTURES Presents, in Association with LEGENDARY PICTURES, a SYNCOPY Production of A CHRISTOPHER NOLAN Film: SHADOW OF THE DARK KNIGHT. Christian Bale, Michael Cane, Leonardo DiCaprio, Gary Oldman, Marion Cotillard, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Stephen Tobolowsky, Ellen Page, Javier Bardem, Mickey Rourke, Piper Perabo, Scarlett Johansson, Andy Serkis, with Morgan Freeman and Eugene Levy. color/340 minutes.
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riddler
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June 4, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST
Yeah, Gordon-Levitt will play a make-up-less Joker from Arkham.
by MrFloppy
Marion Cotillard will play Catwoman, and the main Villain will be Riddler ala Zodiac, framing Batman and forcing him out of retirement.
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Let's face it, you can't top the Joker, but you can do something entirely different that hasn't been done before!<br><br>The story should be less about a singular villian, and more of an EPIC telling of the innerworkings of Gotham City's Police and Crime syndicates. You could do multiple villians from the Rogue gallery and have them all be tied together and have Batman and Gordon going around trying to bring them down one by one. Like The Wire meets The Dark Knight!
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Scarface is an under-rated character. I think he works perfectly as a comic book villain. I would love to see him effectively depicted on screen. I really don't know how that could be done, but I would love to see it. I doubt he could be the main villain, but he could show up briefly as kind of a comic relief type character, but with a menacing side.
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but not as a main villian. he could just be like a steroid pumper
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Same thing for Christian Bale. After this, Nolan will consider his trilogy complete and decide to move on. I'm basing this from the way he worded his reply as to where he sees the third movie taking the characters.<p><p>So with this in mind (that this will be the "final chapter" for the Bat-Nolanvers): <p><p>There won't be a Batcave. The Bat bunker in TDK was the Nolans' way of up-ending our expectation that there was going to be a Batcave in the movie.<p><p>Wayne Manor won't be rebuilt. Again, it's because we *expect* this in Movie #3, but I have a feeling the Nolans will defy our expectations again. Instead, I could see them having it where Bruce donates the land to be a pubic park or sanctuary of some kind.<p><p>Alfred will have a much larger role -- and he will die. Yes, it's because killing off Alfred would defy our expectations about what we feel like are the "rules" of the Batman mythos, and it ties in with the Nolans closing out the final chapter of their interpretation of Batman.<p><p>The villain(s): It won't be any character who has already appeared in the first four Batman movies. Again, it's because we are expecting this to happen, but I really think that the Nolans want to do again what they go to do in Batman Begins -- introduce villains who have never appeared in the first four Bat movies. Scarecrow will appear again, though in a minor capacity, haunting Batman/Bruce about his psyche. But who will be the major villain(s)? My guess is it could be Black Mask, along with Deadshot (who would be a relatively minor role) and Talia (to fulfill the femme fatale love interest for Bruce, and to also tie things back to Batman Begins).<p><p>The Batmobile. I don't think there will be another Batmobile nor will the Batpod reappear. The studio will want another Bat vehicle (in order to license out toys) but the Nolans may be resisting this. I have no idea what else could serve as a realistic, gritty means of transport for Batman, though.
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Either Talia or maybe Catwoman done very darkly. But personally I'd go for Talia, she's always been a fav of mine. The Riddler would be too close to Joker no matter how you handle him. And most of the other "classic" characters bring with them too much of a cheese factor. Keep it grounded in dark but somewhat believable and revenge is always great for a plot.
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my problem wit superhero movies, no minor villain to get rid of in the first five minutes like in Lethal Weapon... we could have Batman stop firefly, boom, credits roll, boom boom...
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You said: "I'm SO GLAD they're not going to go with some obscure fanboy pick like Bane or Black Mask" How do you know? NOTHING's been announced yet!!
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I do think that would be bad ass. Don't know if it will actually happen since he is on the Iron Man franchise now...
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Director Christopher Nolan (“Inception”) concludes his Batman saga with the much-anticipated follow-up to “The Dark Knight,” the third biggest film of all-time: “Shadow of the Dark Knight” <br><br> With the Joker and half the mob locked up and somewhat of a semblance of order returning to the streets of Gotham, Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale, “American Psycho") tries to shed his billionaire playboy image by using the company his parents built to do good for Gotham City (Chicago, “Chicago”). <br><br> The police actively seek Batman as a suspect in several unsolved murders but with no sightings in nearly a year, dwindling public interest, and sympathetic Commissioner James Gordon (Gary Oldman, “Batman Begins,” “The Dark Knight”) calling the shots, the case has gone cold. Until an outspoken blowhard and ambitious mayoral candidate by the name of Oswald Cobblepot (Stephen Tobolowsky, “Memento”) incites public outrage and renewed interest, and pledges that when elected he will use a privately-funded security firm to bring Batman (Christian Bale, “Newsies,” “Terminator 4”) to swift justice. <br><br> But Cobblepot has his own agenda and secretly charges a perfectionist private detective (Leonardo DiCaprio, “Inception”), who goes by the pseudonym Edward Nygma, the task of uncovering Batman’s true identity. Unbeknown to his client, Nygma suffers from debilitating and self-destructive obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and may very well be in the employ of another! <br><br> Bruce Wayne suspects Cobblepot of having ties to criminal organizations and dons the cowl again so that Batman can conduct his own investigation, against the better judgment of his only two confidants: his trusty butler Alfred (Michael Caine, “Inception”), who finds the recently rebuilt Wayne Manor to be quite drafty and rather lonely, and longtime family friend Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman, “Lean on Me,” a car accident in Mississippi). <br><br> Batman isn’t scaling from rooftops for long when he crosses paths—and finds solace—with a spry and seductive petty cat burglar (Marion Cotillard, “Inception,” France) who leads her own double life. <br><br> Fox, the CEO of Wayne Enterprises, is mired in a scandal of his own after his secretary (Scarlett Johansson, “The Prestige”) goes missing and fowl play is suspected. Though all evidence points to him as the primary suspect, Fox suspects he’s been setup by creepy IT guy and avid hat enthusiast Jervis Tetch (Andy Serkis, “The Prestige”). While trying to clear his name, Fox uncovers an insidious plot involving a disgraced, deformed actor (Christian Bale—in a dual role!) who has been surgically altered to look like Bruce Wayne. <br><br> Meanwhile in Arkham Asylum, the terrorist known only as the Joker (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, “Inception,” replacing his “Ten Things I Hate About You” costar and late Academy Award® winner Heath Ledger, “The Dark Knight,” Mary-Kate Olsen) rots in a solitary cell, confined in a straightjacket, suffering nightly physical abuse from a sadistic and oppressive male nurse (Javier Bardem, “No Country for Old Man”) and a deformed former crocodile wrestler turned burly guard (Mickey Rourke, “Iron Man 2”). Striped of his white “war paint,” his head shaved, and his mouth scars stretched even further, the Joker begins to exhibit convincing remorseful tendencies that go ignored by the asylum staff, but lure the empathy of a brilliant, over-achieving psychiatry student (Ellen Page, “Inception,” “Juno”) who quickly develops a deep fascination and perverse infatuation with her subject—a seductive secret she keeps even from her best friend and roommate (Piper Perabo, “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle”), an environmental science student and environmental activist who gets involved with environmental extremists. <br><br> All of this comes together somehow, eventually culminating in a thrilling 90-minute climax that will change Bruce Wayne and Gotham City a little. <br><br> WARNER BROS. PICTURES Presents, in Association with LEGENDARY PICTURES, a SYNCOPY Production of A CHRISTOPHER NOLAN Film: SHADOW OF THE DARK KNIGHT. Christian Bale, Michael Cane, Leonardo DiCaprio, Gary Oldman, Marion Cotillard, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Stephen Tobolowsky, Ellen Page, Javier Bardem, Mickey Rourke, Piper Perabo, Scarlett Johansson, Andy Serkis, with Morgan Freeman and Eugene Levy. <br><br> color/340 minutes.
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Batman would fight a non-Batman villain in the 1st few minutes to establish DC's (whack ass) universe... have em fight Mirror Man or whatever loser DC has (to me, DC SUCKS cept for Batman's universe in it)
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And to agree with @Jim Jam Bongs, Talia also ties you back around to Begins and rounds things out nicely.
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Has any one else here read any Batman, much less the Miller/Loeb series on which the new franchise is based?
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Sorry Joe Gordon Leavitt 3rd Rock kid isn't right. Glover's the only one who could come close to Ledger's performance.
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Oh sorry...Radioactive Man nemesis.
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http://tinyurl.com/6dnzbf
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YES.
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Those two aren't getting any younger!
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I'm sorry but this is nonesense. Of course Ledger did a fantastic job and deserved all the praise and accolades he received but the actor died not the character. If you will recast a nothing part like Rachel Dawes rather than write her out off screen you are really going to fuck with continuity by ignoring Batman's true nemesis? I remember before Batman Begins even came out Nolan said the single biggest mistake in the Burton films was killing off the Joker. Even before Dark Knight it was obvious Nolan felt you couldn't have Batman without the Joker. Marshall still plays football, Dumbledore was recast and Spielberg made AI. Heath Ledger showed courage in his performance and he certainly wasn't afraid to create a whole new icon where the great Jack Nicholson had been and he wouldn't have backed down from continuing on someone elses work. They should try to let their balls drop and be men like Heath would've.
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Hey, given the way Nolan is reinventing and reinterpreting the Bat universe anyway, there's no reason he couldn't throw a real curve ball and meld two characters into one. He could sort of go for a two-fer on that one.<p>But if I had to guess, the villain will be the Riddler since he would make for an "intelligent" villain, which I'm guessing is what Nolan wants, since he would also fit with the whole realistic tone that Nolan has established and maintained in the films so far...
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Are overrated. <br> Oh... damn.
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was ok as a comic, but it did excel at putting in Batman's rogue gallery into play from all angles. It seems convoluted enough for Nolan, and I'd like to see one of the newer comics get the big screen treatment.
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I'd like to see Will Arnett as Ventriloquist and Franklin as Scarface.
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It will be awesome to see Nolan's full-on, high tech bat cave. There's no way they wouldn't put that in. I love how they've handled that part of the story, it's a great progression.
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For some reason I've had a dream for many years of Mandy Patinkin playing Black Mask. The original gangster-ish Black Mask, not this new weird one.
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There are 7 stages on the Kubler-Ross cycle. Sounds like you're only on stage 2.
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that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.
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and final film will now be a master, the only villain that could stand a chance would be the Riddler and his vast intellect. it's pretty obvious i think.
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I mean, it's hard to guess tone over the Internet so I just assume you are all being sarcastic when you say you'd like to see the Ventriloquist in a Chris Nolan Batman movie. Seriously. That would be jumping like ten sharks at once.
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This is most likely the LAST film in the Nolan series so we NEED something BIGGER than just Batman vs. Riddler. We want an EPIC story that incorporates all of Gotham City from all angles, even more so than what TDK did.
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No way they don't milk that. Even a shot of him locked up or what not. They might even be able to use some footage of Ledger from material from The Dark Knight.
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June 4, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST
The theme of Batman 3: Final battle for the soul of Gotham
by Jim Jam Bongs
These Bat-Nolanverse movies have been rather heavy-handed and melodramatic in terms of their themes. So I would say the next movie will be over the final battle between Batman and the mob for the soul of Gotham.<p><p>And this is why I say Black Mask would work: He would serve as the Gotham mob's own "masked freak" who leads them. (The one setback is maybe WB could be concerned that Black Mask may appear to the public to be too similar to Captain America's Red Skull.) Thus, the title for the movie could be something like "Batman Triumphant" (a title that has been tossed around for various Batman movie sequels in the past, and which of course comes from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns).
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They could still do Harley Quinn. She might work better out of the Joker's shadow. Allow her to spread her wings. Also, they should give her wings. And not the Tampax variety.
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"Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? Gadzooks and forsooth, Sheriff of Gothamum!"
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she has the ability to be sexy and twisted at the same time. And for christs sakes use the all black leather costume. you don't need to show skin for it to be sexy.
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I'm going to do it. Right here at my desk. NSFW
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time to move on to another villain..and not the fucking penguin. Bring on killer croc, or Bane done correctly.
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I think this might work for the sequel: http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n
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June 4, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST
Also why this is the last Nolan flick: WB wants to free up Bats
by Jim Jam Bongs
So they can use him in a possible Justice League movie -- that's my guess. They want to free up the character, and allow the more fantastical elements of the Batman comic canon to be used. Nolan's nitty-gritty "realistic" interpretation will probably end after this movie.
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GOTHAM. That's my bet.
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These are all villains we will never see in a Nolan film.
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Nolan specifically stated in the article that this is the final movie and the end of the story. So it's more than most likely.
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I think it has to be Riddler. I also think Anthony Michael Hall needs to play him, as repised from the Dark Knight. Continue the escalation theme.
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This is the last Nolan flick because it's a trilogy. From day one they said it was a trilogy. They're not pushing Nolan out so they can use Batman in a JL movie. If Nolan wanted to make 30 Batman movies they'd let him as long as they keep making a billion dollars.
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He hasnt signed to direct yet, and that the story is already done, as in this will be the last movie from Nolan about Batman.
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June 4, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST
Title will be some iconic sentence from the 1940s
by TakingScorpiosCalls
comics that we have to pick out.
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I thought Nolan was saying, 'No, I won't talk about it.' Not no, there's no Joker. I think we're misreading this.
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Get Vincent Price, dig him outta his grave, but we need an Egghead!
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at 17.
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After Spidey disappears from the scene, the aging Vulture and his sexy daughter wing it to Gotham. There they release all of the inmates at Arkham,including King Tut(John Goodman), Marcia Queen of Diamonds(Diane Keaton), Shame(Steve Martin) and the Puzzler(Pierce Brosnan). Spidey returns, and travels to Gotham/Chicago to team up with Batman and his new sidekick, BatMite(Rodney Allen Rippey). They knock down their doors and shed the light of the law on that nest of vipers. Together the make the city safe for decent people.
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he could do it...imitate heath a bit but make it his own. i totally thought thats what might happen sine hes in the nolan flick
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Also, don't forget about Black Mask's origin. He's basically the evil Bruce Wayne. He's what Bruce would've become had his parents not been good people. They were childhood friends who both group up and inherited their companies. The story isn't just Batman vs Black Mask, it's also Bruce Wayne vs Roman Sionis. And if Catwoman is thrown in as well, they could incorporate a version of the storyline from the comics where Catwoman killed Black Mask. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_(comics)
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seriously
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June 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST
CAN'T BELIEVE NOBODY'S MENTIONED EGGHEAD!
by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL
PATRICK STEWART!!!!
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this would be GENIUS.
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-When asked on whether Nolan would re-cast The Joker for Batman 3, he ‘emphatically and without hesitation’ answers “NO!”. How can we be misreading that? source: http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/batman-3-the-joker-will-not-feature-says-chris-nolan.php#ixzz0pvXei8RZ
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is the ONLY way I'd sign off on Riddler.
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i would agree to no return of joker but I cant argue much with this either. I think riddler could work if like the animated stuff but really hes kinda just like the Joker anyhow...
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my bad forgot linky http://flicksided.com/2010/05/casting-couch-joseph-gordon-levitt-as-the-joker-in-batman-3/
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his whole change of heart was total bullshit. from nicest guy to potential child killer?? because a chick died? their had no real love or chemistry?? BULLSHIT!
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June 4, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST
Title has to refer to Batman; it's about him, not Gotham
by Prof. Pop-Cult
So I can't imagine why this would be named GOTHAM (which also is the nickname for NYC). The first two titles specifically refer to Batman. The third title should as well. And I also agree the third will focus on a final battle between Bats and the mob for the soul/heart/spirit/whatever of Gotham. It sounds heavy-handed but fits with the heavy-handedness we've seen in BB and TDK.<p><p>Scarecrow will definitely be in the third, to continue the remark he made to Batman in the opening of TDK. The Nolans will continue with that thread about Bats'/Bruce's state of mind. Here's a possible plot point: I could see Batman needing Scarecrow's help in some way in the finale epic battle (for the SOUL OF GOTHAM!) even though there may be a price to pay for it.
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Nolan was asked if the Joker would come back. His response was "No". How can that be read wrong?
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god that would be lame...scarecrow almost was too much...joker felt like a real madman. not a costumed baffoon
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whoever said that was a genuis! as long as its a little more matchstick men than Iron Man 2. I would also see Dylan Baker in the role. Just creepy enough...
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I don't think it exists, not even in the comics. No, it has to be a psycho genius Riddler as the main baddie. That's the only way to go.
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June 4, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST
I vote for Michael Emerson as a serial-killing Riddler.
by Royston Lodge
It's been said before, but I'll say it again.<p> Michael Emerson as a Se7en-esque serial-killing Riddler would kick ass.
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He would be hilarious.
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how can he not after the ending of DK??
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The explosion and damage to his head left him brain damaged. He went nuts. Simple as that.
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no more over the top goofy villians....joker was the only one that felt sort of grounded in some sort of insane psychopathic reality
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bullshit. there was no talk of brain damage, or evidence of it, his wounds were superficial flesh wounds. it made NO sense. it was a contrived plot device. simple as that.
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Done right these characters would be interesting to see. I'm not a big Riddler fan but I think that Nolan has a good track record and he could make Nygma a worth adversary to Batman. By the way I think half of those posting are huffing paint before they post. I love how some are throwing out Man-Bat, the Black Mask, or Talia as worthy adversaries for Batman. Yeah that's a great leap forward...we go from the Joker/Two-Face combo to the Black Mask. These are the same people that were lamenting Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker.
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Edward Norton as the Riddler (main Villian), Kate Beckinsale as Selina Kyle/Catwoman (love interest/side villian/side kick), Paul Giamatti as the Business man/mob ties Cobblepot who hires Nygma and is killed by him, return of Liam Neeson in the third act, taken out by Bats with help from catwoman. <p>Kill Lucious, have a killer batcave, and ends with Bats in proper form as Gotham's savior. <p>also, riddler will literally destroy the whole city with some crazy plot, that's the main tension of the film...
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The price could be his own sanity. This sounds melodramatic, but, again, fits with the heavy-handedness of the first two movies so far, and it also runs alongside the notion that Batman and his villains are yin and yang. If as someone posted above, Alfred dies, this could also start to fracture Bruce's sanity. Imagine all of this angst and personal loss building up for Bruce as he is about to embark in the Epic Final Battle for the soul of Gotham, perhaps his last as the caped crusader and maybe the end of his own life.
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the joker scenes were fucking great..it made the film...the 2 face stuff, the filler....not so great. i think the first one was better in many ways. take way joker in DK and you dont have much.
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June 4, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST
bullshit. there was no talk of brain damage, or evidence of it,
by FlyingToupee
Take a look at the wounds again. Take a look at his head. Take a look at the x-rays hanging in his hospital room. Take a look at the scene where his face is blown away. And then return here and say they were "superficial flesh wounds". I, mean come on, this is Nolan, not Brett Ratner or friggin' Schumacher.
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Fan's can't get enough of the Joker, and if you get Joseph Gordan Levitt recast in the part, it can be just as successful as the last one. But, I figure these guys are done after this one, so they may mention the character, but they will probably have the Riddler, Catwoman, or maybe even have Ra's show up with Talia...
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is in the movie, he doesn't need to be on the screen. Joker was the first costumed villian, so I'd like to see it played as he started the trend for everyone else. Maybe Riddler can be a Joker copycat at first and end up become even more ruthless.
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The mob has already been destroyed...the Joker made sure of that! All the major bosses are either locked up or were killed. He also burned up the rest of their money. Now Gotham is open to all of the freaks.
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You heard it here first.
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Batman 3. Bullshit on not including a character because some people think the last actor to play him was the definitive portrayal and don't want to taint his legacy by having another actor tackle the role. <p> Bull. Shit. The Joker character is bigger than Heath's performance. So now we have to wait another twenty years until the re-reboot to see Batman against his arch foe again? <p> That's why he was left alive at the end of The Dark Khight, so he could never appear again? <p> Do any of you really think if Heath were alive and said "Chris, I want the Joker to have at least a cameo in the next Batman" he would have been turned down?
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It's done. Nolan is wisely using the villains to shed light on Bruce Wayne/Batman himself. Why would he reuse the same villain and say the same things? He would just be repeating himself. Quit calling for more Joker, it's dumb and pointless.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. She would make a good character for the Nolanverse. Her backstory and character are pretty realistic as it is.
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What's with the fanboy love for this guy? The 3rd Rock kid? Yeah cast him as the Joker he did so with with the villian in G.I. JOE. Honestly I think they should cast him.
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Agreed!
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He was the one that solved the riddles, Adam West just said 'That's right Boy Wonder!' and acted like he knew the answer all along. For old Brits, The Riddler should be played by Ted Rogers off 3-2-1. Not even the Dynamic Duo could've worked out those 'clues.'
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Now THAT would be an update!!! Bats would have no qualms kicking Catwoman's ass. Because, like, it's a dude.
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Was Ledger's Jokey ONE of the best versions of the character ever? Most definitely. Is it THE best? Who's to say. Nicholson's Joker is still fanfuckingtastic as a film performance.
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the Penguin plays quite a large role. The main difference being that Oswald owns a trendy/of the moment brand/company not to dissimilar to Apple. The Penguin brand, a corporation hell bent with forceful domination over rival corporate markets, ala Microsoft. The Riddler enters the story early on, with The Batman lying low The Riddler
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I don't care how many tantrums Bale throws. Kick-Ass showed us how.
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But they did that already in Batman Forever, when the Riddler had mind reader invention that people put on their TVs.
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Oh thank God. I thought I was going crazy. Every time I would tell my wife or friends that JGL would be an excellent replacement for Heath Ledger as the Joker they just stare at me "you mean the kid from 3rd rock?" they ask. I used to feel the same way but the more he matures as an actor he seems to almost be channeling Heath Ledger. Everything I see him in now reminds me of Heath and it is almost distracting. If they put him in the joker makeup (or even sans makeup) and have him sitting in a dark cell at Arkham it would be perfect. Just a quick scene would be all it takes to establish him for a (possible??) fourth film. I also agree with Mr. Murdock regarding Talia Al-Ghul although I would have it end on more of a cliffhanger where Bruce doesn't really know who she is (different last name or such) and she doesn't know he is Batman. They are just two people in love and then at the end of the movie have her say something like "Bruce I'd like you to meet my father" Bruce turns extends his hand and looks right into the eyes of Ra's Al Ghul. "Hello Bruce, nice to finally meet you" cue music, fade to black, etc. Just my two cents
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How about you give the artist some credit for the picture you just posted.
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At the end of TDK, the police were hunting Bats. Eddie Nigma works as a consultant to the police on the Batman case, all while a new criminal called the Riddler is terrorizing Gotham. Come to find out they're the same person and his strings are being pulled by a foreign woman with a mysterious past. Turns out, she's Talia Al Ghul, and is in Gotham to draw out Bats and then kill him as revenge for the death of her father, Ras Al Ghul. During the course of the film, she slowly begins to fall for the man and the mind behind the cowl. <p>That's my idea for the trilogy ender. As much as I'd love a new Catwoman, both Michelle Pfeiffer and Julie Newmar have given us sexy, sultry takes on her, and I'd be afraid we'd either get someone like Angelina Jolie (who more resembles Skeletor than Selena Kyle nowadays) or worse yet, Kristen "I've been raped by my fame" Stewart or some shit like that. I'd much rather see the woman who gave birth to Bruce Wayne's child thrown in. The dynamic that existed in the comics between Bats and Ras and Talia Al Ghul would be much more interesting to see on screen. <p>As for Riddler, please give us a more murderous take and not another Frank Gorshin impersonation like Jim Carrey gave us. And NOT Johnny Depp or Robert Downey Jr. While I absolutely love the work of both actors, Depp is overexposed lately and RDJ is getting dangerously close to the same thing. So please not them!
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that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.
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that of a major fan-favorite villain and that of a love interest for Bats. while The Riddler seems like the likely choice because he poses a greater mental challenge to Batman, Catwoman (or Selina Kyle) could still be involved in the next film in some way.
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I say the Penguin would work as a great villian..just make him less of a Goofball with an umbrella and more like "Clarence Boddiker from Robocop
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarky
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"Oh but Heath was about anarchy." Yeah? He killed some criminals, burnt their money, killed the D.A.'s girl. <p> What did Nicholson do? He went on TV advertising free money then tried to kill everyone who showed up.
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June 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST
It's irrelevenat if the Joker was SUPPOSED to be in the 3rd
by schadenfreudian
He won't be. <br>The fucking end.
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June 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST
It's irrelevenant if the Joker was SUPPOSED to be in the 3rd
by schadenfreudian
He won't be. <br>The fucking end.
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IRRELEVANT. <br> and my apologies for the double post.
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You mean that fucking awful actor from the GI JOE movie?
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I'm glad they have closed the book on the Ledger's Joker...great character played by Ledger which should not be recast/replaced/reinterpreted in their version of the Batman universe.
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have you actually seen any of his films? (no not gi joe you fucking pubic tools)
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Aaron Eckhardt told someone that Nolan had planned on bringing back the Joker in the third film.......and Nolan purposefully kept the Joker alive at the end of TDK for that reason......Nolan even said that Tim Burton made a HUGE mistake by killing off the Joker at the end of his Batman film.......We have to assume the Joker is rotting in Arkham!........I'd LOVE to see a repeat performance from Ledger :(
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I like your take but instead of Talia, whom is not compeling, I prefer having Catwoman as an assassin hired to kill the Bat. Whether she begins to fall for him I don't know but it would make sense that someone in Gotham would hire a hitman to take out the Batman.
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then keep him away from Batman
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...the Joker back for the third movie was in the same way they handled Scarecrow in the second. He is now a part of the Gotham universe, but not integral to the story being told. I could have seen Heath making an appearance, perhaps as a Hannibal Lector like role as a "consultant" or something in Arkham. Not as a major character.
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Penguin wouldn't work? He's a classy criminal who owns a night club. How would that not fit in the "Nolanverse"? The Riddler is too much like the Joker? How? <p> Sometimes I think Nolan's take on Batman ruined a lot of what could have been and grounded it too much in reality. They're GREAT films but they just don't take any chances. They play it too safe.
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no more no less. Through corporate domination he establishes a power unestablished in other comic book movies, the power of money, a power that, in turn gains government backing. Its all part of a Oswald's overall criminally minded plan . I wont go into too much detail but The Riddler is initially set up as a guy that smells the rotten egg at the Penguin corporation. He sets out to out Oswald for what he really is.....anyway Gordon plays a huge part in this thriller/conspiracy, Batman initially takes a back seat until The Riddler forces him out of the shadows with the threat of unmasking.....The final third by the way, is balls to the wall action, Gotham city is the only victim in the end.
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If Ledger were alive there is no way that I wouldn't want him to have a prominent role in Batman 3. But it's all a moot point.
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Really all there is to it. I called it immediately after seeing TDK the first time, and I'd be ecstatic if it happened. He'd nail the shit out of it as long as he kept the character fairly far away from Ben Linus as possible. Riddler sending Bats on wild goose chases all around Gotham would be awesome.<p><p>As for a second villain, I'd like to see Clock King.
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on how comic book movies should portray characters and most of Batman villians can't rise to the challenge...and you call that failure?
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It's the only story I see working in Nolan's third BATMAN film. THE PHANTASM would fit right in the universe after BATMAN becomes a criminal in the eyes of GOTHAM.
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It would almost be like BATMAN VS BATMAN
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The theme of the movie should be Identity. The Riddler is obsessed with finding out who Batman is. Catwoman is resolute in her being Selina Kyle and Catwoman. Batman figuring out that he is both Bruce Wayne & Batman and he can't walk away from either one. That's your movie.
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He could be all CG in a jail cel and straight jacket...and then escape partway through and we never see him through the whole movie as it focuses on riddler or harlequin but we are given clear hints that he is behind terrible things that happen. What if the joker comes in a coupl movies sown the road but we realize it's someone else, a new actor but mysteriously find out that it really is him or atleast he's even worse than the original joker but this time he actually has had his face reconstructed to have a smile all the time. Different actor, similar character laughs more, is crazier, older and reappears in the dark knight returns.
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Is this the face of a bat? Are these the eyes of a bat? "Hath not a Dark Knight eyes?" I feel for you, Batman.
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And Ra's al Ghul wouldn't get "blank stares". But there he was in the first nolan film.
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Robert Gray is a wannabe hero, his girlfriend was raped and murdered during the Mad Gas Gotham City Riots. On his off time he sits in his apartment listening to a police band radio. His walls are littered with pinned up newspaper clippings about the "The Batman". He has a list of the code meanings carved into the table by the police band radio. With a picture of his girlfriend and her grave sitting on top of it. <P> When he hears the right codes he heads out into the city on his black Indian with a bat clipped onto the side of the wheel arm with a revolver in a holster under his arm. He is trying his hardest be the new Batman Gotham needs, but he's doing it all wrong. His modus is pure blood lust revenge. He kill the criminals. One night he manages to bump into a batman bust up, Batman is losing, he jumps in and proceeds to do his thing killing the bads guys, he begs batman to let him in, telling him how much Batman needs a partner, swearing they share the same disgust for crime. Batman subdues him and tells him that he's not a killer. Robert is left at the scene for the cops to deal with. Robin is arrested and charged with murder, several in fact. He goes to jail. The criminals know who he is and why he is in there. They make short work of him. He gets the nickname Robin after his cell mate rapes him early in the morning. He shanked out in the yard a few days later by a group inmates. He survives but he's sent to prisons infirmary and this is where he meet's Mr.E. a man without a face, without finger tips, without teeth, and lots of unusual tattoos. Mr. E was involved in the prison riots, he was someone everyone knew before the riots and someone no one knows after, this look was deliberate, he used the riots to his advantage to become a john doe. He was found dismembered in his cell burning the corpses of prisoners and security gaurds who died during the riots. Back in the infirmary for slashing his neck while in isolation. He befriends robin and together the two of them escape. Once they are out Robin wants revenge against the batman for ruining his life. Lots of roads to go to from here. Robin probably visits one Mr. Reese. God only knows what The riddler will do.
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Please hire this guy for something other than SPIDER-MAN, for the love of GOD!
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Fine cast of actors to play the Riddler. Depp, Tennant, Downey, give Hugh Laurie a call.
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June 4, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST
It's stupid to think nobody could do better
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Remember when nobody could top Jack Nicholson's performance?
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Damnit... Mr.E is a Mystery. burning the dead victims to hide among the list of the missing.
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seriously though i'll be disapointed if it's not The Riddler as a zodiacesque villian. sounds cool. I also liked the idea of the joker in arkham in a Silence of the Lambs Hannibal type role. Please no Catwoman, can't see it working in that universe. Joe Pesci for the 'fucking'Penguin
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Do they make still make other movies?
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Catwoman can't work in the Nolanverse? I just don't understand how it's possible to think that.
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Just go with the Knightfall storyline, but put Talia in it. Bane, Azrael, and Talia. Have Bruce Wayne not get paralyzed, but severely fucked up by Bane and then Azrael takes the cowl, kills Bane, and then Bruce realizes only he can be the Batman and fights the hi-tech Azrael Batman. It fits the arc of the three films, with Bruce finally accepting that only he can be the one to save Gotham city.<BR><BR> While the Riddler could work in the Nolan universe, he is not an interesting enough character to be anything but a secondary villain. Catwoman is an awful character, as is the Penguin. Just do the Bane/Azrael storyline.
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that Michael Shannon from Revolutionary Road could have stepped into Ledger's shoes for at least a small cameo. In that movie, he actually reminded me of Ledger's Joker a bit. Still, it's obvious that the cast and crew, particularly Nolan, wouldn't want to see someone step into Ledger's role, even for a few shots.
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Play him like Hannibal Lecter. Batman has trouble with latest villain and seeks out his advice in Arkham. Could be some wonderful scenes, and the Joker breaks out at the end. Heath Ledger wouldn't want nobody to portray him again. And Joseph Gordon Levitt would be fucking brilliant.
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William H. Macy as a calm, controlled, brilliant and psychotic Riddler with some inspiration from the Zodiac killer.<p>I wouldn't have minded a very brief scene of Batman checking up on Joker in Arkham Asylum where Joker insists it won't keep him forever, and someday he will make Batman break his one rule. JGL could have played him for one scene in the shadows.
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If you are going to reboot BATMAN and call it your own ... you're going to have to include The Joker (done), The Ridler, Penquin and Catwoman. You have to. These villians are as iconic as the heroes. It would be like rebooting A New Hope without Darth Vader. If this is going to be the last movie ... it almost has to be Ridler, Cats and the birdman. If not ... the whole trilogy will feel imcomplete for all time.
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Yeah, Jack seemed plenty unhinged in 1989. The anarchistic Joker was cool and hip and edgy, but he still seemed pretty sanely calculating. The Joker sitting around cutting out thousands of pictures and newsclippings for no reason, having a conversation with a corpse, burning his girlfriend's face with acid...Heath rightly earned some posthumous Oscar gold, but let's not forget Jack did his paunchy part pretty well(for 1989), too.
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Eckhart asked Nolan directly on set if there was any chance Two-Face could come back and Nolan said that Two-Face was definitively dead.
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Was not killing off the Joker but making him the killer of Bruce's parents (although it led to a great line about "Hey, I was a kid when I killed your parents.. jeez, how childish can you get?")
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I love the idea of making the Penguin similar to Clarence Boddicker... those creepy Nazi SS glasses...throw him in a tux... have him blast off hands left and right...
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Cesar Romero. So crazy he wouldn't shave his goddamned mustache.
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Use Gordon Levit as the Joker ... but reveal near the end that he murdered Ledger's joker and took his place as a copy cat. Since the Joker has no identity in this universe ... it may work.
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but man, Mark Hamill's voice acting and Paul Dini's writing and the animators from Batman: Arkham Asylum... yes THE VIDEO GAME, TRUMPED "the finest depiction of Batman’s most iconic nemesis" in my opinion.
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The Riddler, Catwoman and The Penguin. When Warners reboots the series...again next time with Taylor Lautner as Bruce Wayne they will be force to cast another Joker or use the second tier baddies.
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Penguin works just fine if you scale back the cartoonish elements, and focus on him as a mob boss. You can keep the top hat and monocle, lose the deformities, and have him as a godfather figure - the natural head of the mob after it's all come apart. This makes perfect sense after the first two movies. Falcone is done, Sal is done, the crime families are in disarray - enter the Penguin as a uniting force (as opposed to the destructive force of the Joker). You could actually bring in a couple lower villains in this plotline. But do that as a background plot and have the Riddler forcing Batman to use is detective skills as the primary.
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you heard it here first
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Be interesting to see Nolan and crew pull a fast one and drop someone like that into the mix. Do Batman & the Monster Men. Or even something like Batman: The Long Halloween.
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Make the Riddler a woman. It worked (or didnt) with Starbuck.
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is get some of the zombie juice from Re-Animator to bring Ledger back to life for this movie. <br>. Some of you guys really need to learn how to let go.
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That game was fantastic. Good call. I loved Ledger, but damn that was fun to play.
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You mean that actor from "10 Things I Hate About You"? Wait.
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Make the Penguin a female and call her The Pengwench. She's a short, fat, ugly chick who was a waitress humiliated by Bruce Wayne, and now she's bent on revenge.
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Nolan has gone on record saying he doesn't want supernatural or silly villians in his incarnation of the Bat-verse. So no Penguin that is anything like Burton's version.<p>There were rumors about that Nolan wanted Philip Seymor Hoffman for a very serious penguin, but rumors also insisted the Eddie Murphy was playing Ridder, and NONE of the casting rumors have had any truth.<p>I think there is a reason that Nolan opened with Rah As Ghul. He isn't trying to evoke our memories of the campy TV show, or previous movies. He clearly rebooted the universe with a more realistic, serious approach. If he uses Penguin or Catwoman, it will be because they play into the story.<p>I think The Riddler makes the most sense because the events of the first two films could come crumbling down if The Riddler revealed that Gordon lied in an investigation about Batman/Two-Face. The Riddler is smart enough to figure it out, and hold Gotham hostage in his games. Catwoman could work as someone straddling the line of villian/companion to Batman as a vigilante trying to fill Batman's void while he is on the run. Maybe she alone supports him while he is hunted, but she goes too far, and he has to stop her.
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confirmed.
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...jonesed about seeing Batman Forever? Remember how pissed you were leaving the theatre 2 hours later? At least we won't have to go through that again with Nolan. It might be a disappointment, but it won't be a suckfest.
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When you wanted to kill Joel Schumacher? I thought the 90's were the best years of my life... but Batman & Robin definitely cast a stink over the last few years of that decade.
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Simple really, covered in riddles & question marks. Tattoo them on. Might be a bit derrivative, but hey. As for the Riddler himself. Guy Pearce, under used and can play as crazy as batshit. Just as good as Depp, but cheaper.
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...Anne Hathaway as Penguiess.
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But dammit the friggin Batcave better be rebuilt by 2012. I can understand rooting the Batman in the (sigh) Gritty Realism of the Real World, but let's keep at least a little of the mythos in there.
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Harley Quinn. Call me crazy...but how badass would it be to have a Joker-worshipping cult pop up with Harley at the head...work in some religious overtones and shit?
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And totally made you wonder how the hell Tim Burton ever became a director?
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... is either Mark Hamill or Jack Nicholson. Ledger's Joker was OK, but I thought Two-Face was a far more interesting villain in TDK. It's a pity they killed Two-Face off as I'd have liked to have seen him in Batman 3.
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She's a lovely girl, really. But she always reminds me of that nerdy bookish girl from high school who goes to college, gets contacts, a new hairstyle and discovers she looks halfway hot in a dress. Beautiful yes, but missing that hint of bad girl fuckability you'd want to see in Catwoman.
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June 4, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST
FUCK Jeffrey Weissman - Crispin Glover uber alles!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Naw I'm sure he's a nice guy and shit. But has he created anything as magical as "Clowny Clown Clown?"
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I bet she'll turn up in Shadow of the Bat.
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The Riddler: "So ... you are the Dark Knight" Batman: "Yeah. it's crazy, huh?"
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"I DECLARE BATMAN TO BE AN OUTTTTTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!"
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How would things in Nolan's movies sully Mark Hamill's voice work at the Joker?
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It should be Catwoman and Poison Ivy and Batman should bang 'em both at the same time, while Alfred films. <br> <br> Oh, and there's no contest: Mark Hamill is, hands down, the best Joker.
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you mean GAY, right?
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June 4, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST
And I want to see The Riddler as a homicidal BANKSY
by EddieMurphysLaugh
and can you say Joseph Gordon Levitt.
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but, oh well, at least we're getting a third one. Besides, there are so many Batman villains that have gone unused (or done poorly). I, for one, would like to see some lower tier bad guys worked in...maybe the Mad Hatter, or something. And I'd be really interested in seeing Nolan's version of The Riddler (not so low tier but still). Only time will tell, I suppose.
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...cuz ya know, gay and fun are synonyms... <p> so you sir, are very FUN
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is evilherc to busy tweeting about Chace Crawfords arrest?
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should just continue to play by his own rules and do something like place Bane as a main threat or something...could be incredible
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And played by Guy Pearce...Hmm. Think Nolan's already been down that road.
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seriously out of all the rougue gallery the three i want to see most as Mr freeze, catwoman and the penguin. I think nolan is giving up to quickly on freeze, he could really work if you go the darker route. penguin would be amazing since burton's penguin (while good) is not what the penguin represents, oswald cobblepot would really fit into Nolan's mafia themed villan wolrd and i think there no way he won't show up in batman 3. I also think catwoman will show up, bruce needs a love interest and catwoman is the best anti hero of all of batmans villans<P>I think in the end we'll see penguin, catwoman and scarecrow (you know Nolan has plans for scarecrow, why tease us in the second one if not to remind us he's still around)
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...they tryin to tell me Undertaker is dead...
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I would like to see a serious / dark Riddler character played by Michael Emerson (LOST's Ben Linus). No "riddle me this, riddle me that" nonsense. Instead, how about a serious detective caper? Failing that, I challenge Nolan to have Batman give us the real identity of the smoke monster...
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Fuck this! No doubt heath was perfect in his performance and no one can match it... but i think we all know Daniel Day Lewis could act the fuck out of the joker! Just watch Gangs of New York!
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Son uf a bitch.
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I remember reading on this site an interview with Aaron Eckhart. He said something along the lines that he asked Nolan if he would be coming back for the third film and Nolan said No. I'm also pretty sure I remember reading something about Anthony Michael Hall being The Riddler. Because he was hell bent on trying to expose Bruce Wayne and all. I think that they made Joker too much like what Riddler should be. Seeing Riddler may be way too similar.
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Do it up!
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Thank you.
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http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n
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was a big improvement over Burton's first shitty Batman movie.
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Even the Dog.
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Damn right. Nicholson nailed it.
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...and Terry O Quinn as Calendar Man. THANKS.
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I'm sure someone has pointed this out already but why is Catwomen holding the numbers(LOST)?
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...with it and kept Batman as the perceived enemy like he was at the end of The Dark Knight? So while the city was against him and the politicians want him stopped, they would be HIS enemy. Of course Gordon would be on his side. And there would still need to be some sort of criminal element. But it wouldn't need to be one of the iconic Batman villains we already know.
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Bane COULD do the back breaking part to end the trilogy... Hugo Strange.... Atomic Man(renamed maybe) Dr Death would be great. The Chinese could return with KINGSNAKE. TBH,...they could invent someone and be innovative...or combine some villains into one.
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I've said this for a long time now: I think Nolan kinda blew it. Ledger died during filming as I recall, and I have to think there was enough time and will to do a few extra days' worth of reshoots... what I would have done if I was him is I would have had the Joker either slip off the building at the end, or have Batman actually drop him (you could argue the later isn't true to the character though) and I would have reshot the Twoface death so that it obviously left open the possibility he's still alive. The point is that you had to know how great Ledger had been even at that point, and you wouldn't want anyone coming along trying to recast Joker, or even to be tempted to do it yourself. But TwoFace was *also* awesome as hell, so truly killing Joker and being able to go back to TwoFace would have been perfect... the amount of money and work to have done that I have to believe would have been almost nothing at that point. I REALLY wish they had thought to do this.
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It's an AICN tradition to shit on Schumacher's Batman movies, but 99% of the suggestions in this TB would make his last few Batman movies seem like the Godfather.
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Guy Pierce Riddler. I like it.
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No one can seem to give a valid reason why (and Batman Returns or that Halle Berry shit are not valid reasons, as those were profound misinterpretations of the character). Someone went so far as to call her "boring," which tells me you've never picked up a Batman comic in your life and are just talking out of your asshole. A Batman/Catwoman story done right (see Hush, Long Halloween, Dark Victory) would be amazing.
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I can't think of a Nolan film in which there's much of any male/female smoldering. They're mostly flicks about guys obsessed with other guys. Love interests just seem to be there, but are almost always the least interesting thing in the flick. I don't know if he's the director to do Catwoman justice.
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...would be great. Catwoman, despite what many may think, can puuurfectly fit into Nolan's hyper-realtistic Batman universe. And so could Bane. Let's get some ass-kicking action on some rooftops, scary bat-poses, and call it a great part 3.
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Anne Hathaway as Harley Quinn. Johnny Depp as The Riddler. Emily Blunt as Catwoman. No crappy stupid and secondary villains like Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze or Bane please. Too unrealsistic for Nolan's Batman universe.
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June 4, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST
THE VILLAIN HAS TO REPRESENT THE THEME OF THE MOVIE.......
by TehCreepyThinMan
So the question is - What will the theme of Batman 3 be?<br> <br>Batman Begins was about fear, so Scarecrow was the perfect villain although Nolan fucked up by focusing too much on Ra's al Ghul IMHO.<br> <br>In The Dark Knight, Batman, The Joker and Two-Face represented Order, Chaos and Chance.<br> <br>Now, there are only a few top villains left. IMHO, The Riddler wouldn't work because he'd have to pose ethical conundrums which is pretty much what The Joker did in TDK.<br> <br>Now, call me batshit insane, but my two top choices would be The Penguin and Catwoman. Hear me out. The Penguin would be a Dick Cheney type who comes into Gotham and represents fascism. A law enforcement official who bends the rules and breaks them in the name of Order. Batman does the same but he draws the line when it comes to killing where as The Penguin has no issue with torturing/murdering criminals in the name of Justice which would directly lead to conflict with Batty.<br> <br>If I were using Catwoman, I'd have her backstory involve The Penguin. Say she is going around killing associates of The Penguin, trying to get to him, while Batman gets the blame which is why The Penguin targets Batman. Make it that someone she cared about was killed by The Penguin. Perhaps her parents? Say they were activists who were investigating The Penguins illegal government activities and he had them snuffed. This would give her a connection to Batman. Catwoman would represent the theme of Vengence.<br> <br>What I’d really like from Batman 3 (I think it should be called GOTHAM) is something similar to V for Vendetta. Just a few thoughts…..
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the animated one is too"sci-fi"he dosent want freeze y cause he has a freeze gun?"not real enough?"but a matt hagen terminator 2 like clayface isnt?give me the preston payne clayface the freaky plastic bag mush head who he ever touches melts them love the batman annual story where he falls in love with the dummy.
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And Eve Lily as Catwoman.
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...but can I just say I'd watch Micheal Emmerson as The Riddler...????
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June 4, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST
RICHARD DREYFUSS AS THE PENGUIN/MARION COTILLARD AS CATWOMAN!!!
by TehCreepyThinMan
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June 4, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST
Ledger's Joker Listed #5 of the 100 Grteatest Characters of the
by RefutetheHype
100 Greatest Characters of the 20th century, Heath Ledger's Joker is #5. Oh and by the way not a single character from LOST is listed in the entire Top 100, which even includes a character from MELROSE PLACE the baby landlord from that Will Farrell FunnyorDie.com skit and the vampire boy from TWILIGHT. So that means that in the opinion of ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY not one character from LOST is as important to the 20th century as the baby landlord who bitchslaps Will Farrell around. LOST HYPE FOREFVER REFUTED. Oh and also LOST is a giant fart. When the fart goes off, everyone is stunned and staggering around and then after that people talk to each other and go "MAN WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?" and then they go quiet and cough and the eyes water and they sneeze or run out of the room away from the fart but those who decide to tough it out will stand there in the shitsmell and then never talk about the fart again when it finally leaves. LOST is that fart.
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moar pluzz
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dosent have to be called the penquin every non comic book reading person knows penquins real name since batman returns,he can be a english mobster son o bitch taking over maronies place and he can have one unbrella that conceals a gun,thats all we need.how cool would hoskins look kinda on the old side sporting a monocle ,dressed all english like sipping tea and taking over the mob world,if the non comicbook reading world needs to know hes the penquin have a silver penquin statue on his desk or somewhere in his office .
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can't see any other logical ending to this run of movies.
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Clock King! Even thought he is a minor villain. Or how about someone like Clayface or Bane....Too many choices and you have to figure in who will pull in the people to see it. An obscure villain would probably be too confusing for non-Batman people....
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To pinch a Marvel phrase: 'nuff said.
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...just has that wonderful small man's menace that seems so deadly... I can't imagine settling for a mediocre actor of any sort after Heath... Micheal Emmerson just seems to fit the bill and even seems perfect for the costume...
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I wonder if Batman is going find himself up against an enemy(s) that he can't handle them alone. I wonder if he needs to enlist the help of a little gay, bird inspired hero
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I wonder if Batman is going find himself up against an enemy(s) that he can't handle them alone. I wonder if he needs to enlist the help of a little gay, bird inspired hero
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He's not doing anything anyway and besides, he's the type of left field choice Nolan would choose that fans would hate at first but later grow to love. Also this is just me but I always imagined the character with his voice.
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LOCKE IS #63. O well.
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I like the idea of Batman, the quintessential scientist and detective, coming into contact with supernatural forces...things that totally contradict his inclinations. Why not characters like Deadman, Solomon Grundy, Swamp Thing, etc. Ra's comes close, but that was not played up in the first movie. I could see Deadman letting Bruce have a little contact with his parents. I would love to see him lost in a deep, preternatural swamp full of eerie things. I just think the dichotomy between Bruce's analytical mind and the supernatural is a great theme from the Batman books and could really be used well.
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o well.
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All Bat films have one thing in common and that's that the chemistry between Batman and the love interest is non-existent. I want this to be the first Batman film where he's just a loner completely dedicated to his work. Rachel was the one for him. Now that she's gone he has nothing but his love of Gotham/hatred of crime to drive him.
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Batman would be FUCKED.
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EW sucks ass. I'm pretty sure some ass from Glee is in that list too. Fuckers.
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big-name super-villians 'cuz Nolan is embarassed by the source material...that much is obvious w/his "grim & gritty" take so far. My money's on Talia Al Ghul seeking revenge on Batman/Bruce Wayne for her father's murder by destroying everyone & everything that he holds dear, including Gotham itself...finally finishing what her father started. It will push Bruce Wayne to his absolute limits in order to stop her...if he can. And no, Ra's will NOT be "resurrected" via The Lazurus Pit...too unrealistic for Nolan. However, I wouldn't rule out a cameo by Liam Neeson in the form of flashbacks.
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Riddle me this, Brotha.
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...but damn if that suggestion isn't just as good! I'd pay to see that!
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June 4, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST
That's a great idea - Sam Rockwell! As for Nolan's NO on Joker
by 5_day_forecast
Please be aware that Nolan just worked with Joseph Gordon-Levitt on Inception. It's not a secret that he's been the fan favorite to take over the Joker role... y'know they know it. It had to be on their minds while filming, and still - here we have Nolan giving a clear NO to continuing the character. That's pretty clear to me. For the record, Pheiffer already NAILED Catwoman. Let's let that one rest.
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Or as Bane. Fucking bane of my existence.
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Chalie, you stay away from my babeee!
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I love him in the comics. I wish they would have saved him for the next movie. Like, they should have let him disappear after the hospital blew up in Dark Knight, then continue in the next movie with him getting his revenge and such, and have the Riddle pop up, leaving Batman to take down two villains. Also, Catwoman could work if they do it right.
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He's played a scientist before.
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Don't tell me who I can't cast!
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I wish they'd use Azrael, he'd be awesome as a villain.
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Son of a bitch
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Oops.
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http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=EfxPk8Kcb18
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...to be back in the third one, though.
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But seriously I'd watch Michael Emerson in anything.
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with Nolan's love of playing with perception, puzzles and mind bending (based on Memento and Inception trailers), I don't know how he could resist the Riddler.
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This is a movie site!!!
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June 4, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST
LOST is more cinematic than half the shit in theaters
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
And a million times more captivating. Besides, we ain't talking about LOST, we are trying to get LOST actors hired in movie films. LOST actors got to eat.
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June 4, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST
Hey Herc: stop talking about SATC2, you swine!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
This is a movie site!
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In The Nolans I Trust
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I. Have. A. Riddle. For. You.
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God i hated that fuckin level. But it would be awesome on screen!
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this is a "cool" website
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Preferably played by Emily Blunt. Very preferably.
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Couldn't care less about Catwoman. I don't need another exploration into the "love-that-can-never-be" relationship between Wayne and Kyle. I want somebody fucking diabolical. I don't know who I want exactly, but I know for sure that if they announced Catwoman as the lead villain I would be extremely disinterested in a movie I would have otherwise been waiting on pins and needles for. Nolan can do better.
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From your mouth to God's ears, brother!
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The Caped Crusader
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People also though that Nicholson had definatly nailed The Joker, and look how it turned out.
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June 4, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST
I agree the Heat storyline with a little Son of the Demon mixed
by Chain
Have Talia as the main nemesis. A corporate rival for Bruce by day and femme fatale at night. She tries to lure him to daddy's side without his knowledge. She gets pregnant. All the while Hugo Strange is a tv shrink like Doctor Phil and he has an obsession with Batman's psyche. He says he will unmask him psychologically. The cops form a special task force to go after him and add Hugo to the team as advisor. This could work taking elements of each storyline and using them together.
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June 4, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST
Deiantly nailed the Joker = raped the joker?
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
How else would you defiantly nail someone?
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No one's talking about SATC2 but you, my amigo.
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Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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FTW!!!
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Justified!
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If the character has superpowers,they won't show up in a Nolan film. Which kind of limits his universe..which is actually the dc universe, which he recreated to have no one with superpowers. To keep it 'realistic'. A nearly unstoppable ninja with gadgets, who happens to be a billionaire, who fights crime, oh yea, that's reality (lol)
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I'm all for Emerson too, he'd be the tits but Dexter could own that shit up too.
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Michael Emerson for the Riddler as many others on this board have said.<p>You know Warner Bros. is going to want Catwoman so Nolan will use her. (I'd want Zatanna as an alternate pick.) For those not up to date in the current comics, Bruce revealed his identity to Selina and told her that he loved her (just before Darkseid zapped him with his Omega Rays in Final Crisis). Marion Cotillard or Emily Blunt for the role of Catwoman.<p>After Batman 3, the character will probably next appear in the Justice League of America movie (Avengers WHO???)<p>DC>>>>Marvel<p>IN NOLAN I TRUST!!!!!!
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for those who want to know about the picture used for this TB.
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that way we can still have the joker pulling the strings but not appearing. Could even hear her talking with the joker from outside of his isolation sell in arkham?
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June 4, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST
Okay, Peter Weller as Riddler could be cool.
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
But I'd rather see a Nolanverse Catwoman.
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fuck it, the comic villains can't do much more, except maybe Raz's daughter. I'm all for Batman fighting more mobsters, drug dealers, ninjas and hitmen. Nolan's Batman is grounded in reality. keep it that way. fuck penguin and joker. and the riddler is the most non-threatening villain ever.
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It would be a nice shout-out to the fans and a nice way to pay tribute to The Jokers legacy...have a whole gang of Jokerz running around,maybe being led by Harley Quinn. Naw,Nolan would never do anything that cool....
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And I dont mean the crappy Danny DeVito Penguin...I wanna see Bob Hoskins basically play the same character he did in Danny the Dog/Unleashed...gimme a bad-ass mob boss Penguin,with Bane as his hitman,and maybe a little Catwoman too boot. Again,Nolan will never give us anything this cool-we will however get 30 minutes of Morgan Freeman explaining about how he waxes the Bat-Pod with a high density kevlar wax developed by Wayne Enterprises.....
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First, the Riddler won't WRITE his riddles. The crimes themselves will be the riddles and point to the next heist, kidnapping, murder, etc. That's how Bats will have to use his detective skills. Casting: How about Joseph Fiennes? <br> And Penguin is TOTALLY going to be the anti-Bruce Wayne. Mega-billionaire corporate type who uses his money to finance crime instead of fighting it. Plus, it's gonna be Ricky Gervais playing him...he's perfect. <br> Back me up on this one, JettL.
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June 4, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST
Olivia wilde as catwoman, Robin williams for the penquin
by RedBull_Werewolf
wilde is obvious for the catwoman, she's already got the cat eyes and i'd like to see her in a leather catsuit sos i may jerk to it nightly, robin williams for the penguin may seem out of left feild, but i'm not talking Mork williams, i'm talking, insomnia, one hour photo and world's best dad williams, the dude can act when he wants and nolan has worked with him before
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We have a chance at finally seeing a worthy interpretation of one of the few non-ridiculous female superhero type characters in comics, who would actually fit into the world Nolan's already created with very little changes for live action, and you guys would rather see Batman fight a roided out wrestler and a ventriloquist?
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Emanuel Chiriqui (Sloan on Entourage)
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June 4, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST
I don't think the studio will let Nolan not use a popular villai
by sonnyfern
Too much is riding on this one.
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Hayden Christensen would be perfect!
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http://tinyurl.com/39pkg69
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and Batman Returns becomes Batman 4, voila!
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I'm willing to entertain the notion!!!!! <p> Yes, five explanation points! How dare you count??????
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trust Nolan? He hasn't fucked up any major characters so far, has he? But no, at AICN, every idiot and their fucking cousin is an authority on Batman - proffering completely redundant, uninspired observations and suggestions, and bitching that their favourite, sligtly obscure character doesn't seem to be a contender for the main villain. Get over it you fucking bitches. Why can't Catwoman work? Can you not entertain the possibility that the Nolan's might have a fresh, interesting take on the character? Keep an open mind and give Nolan the benefit of the doubt. And grow some fucking balls.
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A Nolan version of the Hush story. That would fit nolan's style well
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In the world that Nolan has created. <P> It is not difficult for both to be possible and riveting. <P> I think that Paul Giammatti should play him and he should be a low level mobster who is trying to move in and take Moroni's territory. He should be dealing guns and be very ruthless. In fact he always dresses in a Tux because a man should look his best, but he hates being called Penguin so much that at one point he would just shoot someone for daring to call him that. <P> Bane could be brought in as Muscle to deal with Batman. He could be changed slieghtly for the film. <P> Make him a former Luchidore who was imprisoned for killing a bunch of people with his bare hands, and while in prison was subjected to some experimental drugs that made him unstable and even more dangerous. <P> so right there imagine Batman doing Kav Maga against a Mexican wrestler with Roid rage. <P> During the process of being Penguines muscle, Bane is secretly taking over some of the graft operations in an attempt to take the same territory Penguin is trying to but from inside his organization. <P> <P> This is just the basic thought from the villain side. I have everything from the Bruce Wayne side of the film as well. Riddler is a lame character. Honestly the only way I would even accept him is if he was John Doe from Se7en. He would have to be that kind of ruthless character to be remotely interesting in a two hour film. <P> <P> Catwoman would be great, but the character in essense is to light for a nolan film. <P> It needs to be Penguin. Or Ras al ghul returns.
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one main villain and one side one. Or have more than 2 but don't explain who they are and don't give them equal time. <BR><BR> TDK was genius. I do hope two-face has his day. <BR><BR> So glad that there will not be another Joker for now anyway.
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a serial killer that sends clues. or a bomber , a mass murderer, who sends clues.
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In the cast of Batman 3. Crispin Glover or Michael Keaton would be my top choice.
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(League of Shadows was like Al Qaida), second one was the governments and Batmans response to terrorism, third one has to be the government becoming fascist and Batman fighting the government. Someone else above mentioned that, that it should be sort of like V for Vendetta. Thats what Id like to see too. It'd have a sort of libertarian theme. I think you could work just about any villain into a story like that. But with torture, eavesdropping, assassination, loss of civil liberties, etc... that would be topical for today, just like the last two were then. Although i think this would have worked better at the end of the Bush administration, Obama has continued most of Bush's 'War on Terror' policies.
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Especially if they cast Olivia Wilde!<p> Downsize the scale of the film, and make it a love story in disguise (maybe a subplot to the main arc?). Catwoman would fit since Batman impersonators are already established, and they never need to refer to this girl as "Catwoman" (since it sounds stupid, and doesn't really fit in Nolan's universe), but keep all the major traits of the character. And I feel that giving Bruce a new love interest would bring good closure to the trilogy.
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a computer hacker. Don't even reveal who he is till the very end like like Kevin spacey in Se7en. How cool would that be? That would make it a real detective story. Nolan could make Catwomen just another vigilante like batman but with a more brutal aproach like Ras. It might be interesting.
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Poison Ivy: Eco terrorist.
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He has superior intellect to Batman!! because Catwoman has sexuality??? Just beat it off Bruce and apprehend the bitch. She's got no smarts or tech!! --- Nolan will not sign on for a fourth so the studio will shoehorn in Catwoman for the sex appeal to sell maximum tix!!
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being some kid in the end
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just bruce putzin' around the batcave, eating sushi and watching lots of tv. it would be compelling.<p>seriously though, penguin, riddler, and catwoman are the only villains who could work within the plausibility of the nolanverse. bane, croc, freeze, ivy, etc. are too fantastical.<p>penguin - scrap the top hat, monocle, and tuxedo. just have him be a paunchy corporate villain conspiring with gotham's politicians and the mob. he's the least interesting of the main rogues, but a logical inclusion in the nolanverse.<p>riddler - the most interesting of the bunch (sans Joker and Two-Face). he doesn't need to be a costumed villain. psychologically, he works best for the nolanverse. a lot of action can be centered around him. he must be the rogue nolan is pondering most.<p>catwoman - could be done along the lines of the Year One version. she doesn't need to be written as a love interest, or even a villain per se. explaining her motives to become catwoman, and making those plausible, makes her the most challenging of the three to adapt to the nolanverse, but i think she can be worked in somehow. originally, i thought she could be like one of the copycats from TDK, inspired to be like batman, but with bats now perceived a villain by gotham, would that motive work?<p>i think penguin/riddler working in tandem could work well as some have suggested, especially with penguin acting from behind-the-scenes to assist riddler. or just riddler alone. you can still have scarecrow in there too, but here's a novel idea - how about only ONE villain in a superhero movie?<p>whoever is chosen, i do trust in nolan. i can't wait to see how he does a fully-equipped batcave.
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He's still alive.
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WTF !!!??? Why the hate For Selyna ??? She has to be THE most interesting character after the Joker, FFS??!! Nolan HAS to give us his take on the most amazing schizo female comic villaness
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You know you wanna see Batmite hit the big screen.
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They would never cast a television actor to play a villian in a major motion picture the size of Batman. Sorry Fanboys.
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Phooey to you Catwoman haters.
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June 4, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST
Will someone please tackle Herc and shut him the fuck up
by EddieMurphysLaugh
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Why did I just fuck that up...Arrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!! Please give us CatWoman Mr Nolan , that's all I'm saying , if anyone can do her the true justice such an amazing character deserves its him....I HATE the fucking Riddler/Penguin , I would rather see Bane than those pretentious douche bags...OMG ! Nolan's CatWoman done right would be like an enjoyable death , and then waking up in heaven....He simply can't end this trilogy without either Cat Woman , or the Huntress, this series needs a strong woman to match the Bat( I would send a blood donation if it would make it happen) ... *Gasp!
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June 4, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST
No dipshit..you're right..Nolan killed Rachel Dawes for nothing.
by EddieMurphysLaugh
The whole reason he did that was to open up the door for another love interest taht exists in the story arc..Serioulsy..am I the only non 12 year old on this forum (that means you too herc..please go back to watching the WB)
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With Selina doing the "legwork", so to speak.
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Made of win.
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I think there is too much baggage with Ledger's performance; it was too iconic, too closely linked to Ledger's death, and just such a defining depiction of the character of the Joker.<p><p>As for the next villain (hopefully singular unless they do a great job of developing like they did in TDK), sorry, I just don't think Catwoman will work for me. Other than being a hot woman in a leather outfit, I just never got any of the appeal (and for beautiful women in tight, sexy outfits, that's great but I can get that elsewhere). I've never cared for the character. Same with the Penguin. I love the story of Dr. Fries but can understand why they don't want to go that direction. Riddler could work if done right, Two-Face seemed a good choice (but presumably he's dead?), I understand the appeal with Talia, but I doubt that will happen (not sure if it should or not). I wouldn't be surprised to see the Scarecrow show up again, but would they want to make him the main villain? Looking at the Batman villains, there seem to be more that wouldn't fit into the Nolan view of the Batman universe than would.<p><p>Despite my misgivings, I'm curious to see what Nolan does with whichever villain (or auxiliary characters) he includes. He's done fine with Scarecrow, Ra's, the Joker, and Two-Face.<p><p>-Cheers
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make me insanely glad that none of you are getting anywhere near the movie industry. No offence.
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as the ultimate villain Battie faces? Fuck me if that happens. There's absolutely nothing remotely interesting about that joke of a character. And no love interest either. Battie's in a pissed off, me against the world mindset for good. It would be totally contrary to where the character is at psycologically.
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Has anyone commenting here actually read Batman Year One???!!! This shit has been begging to be made for 20 years .... The very fact that the Bat is seen as a villain by society would make a perfect in road for the Cat ,and no mother fucker apart from Nolan could make it as sweet........ Saying that , the guy is the only person who has made a comic to film interpretation actually worth watching IMO....So he could have a dollop of turd as the next villain and I still would lap it up .... He's a genius.
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can't act
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June 4, 2010, 11 p.m. CST
I wonder if Nolan has bigger plans for Scarecrow?
by BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBILLCOSBY
Riddler and Catwoman were at least hinted at in TDK. Penguin would make a fine mob boss. I'm fine with Joker being absent, we already seen one of his escape acts in TDK, and him just being locked up for the time being is believable. It would be fucking killer if he goes all 3 and balances it but thaats's just ludacris, and it would kill any return of scarecrow or rahs al gul
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Now that would be one entertaining movie.
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WTF, that is the dumbest thing i've ever read, an actor is an actor - if they fit the part then they would be cast, remember TV's bruce willis was cast in die hard, TV's Zachary quinto was cast in paramounts tentpole franchise reboot of star trek, hell even the dude from TV's nip/tuck was cast as the villan in fantastic 4 (and another TV actor was cast as the thing). Not to mention the TV actor steve carell that was given the lead in the 40 year old virgin or that other TV actor tim allen that was given the lead in disney's the santa clause. Even sam worthington was a TV actor before he was cast in avatar.<P> TV actors are fully capable of making the transition to film.<P>Whoever said that is a retard and i hope when Olivia wilde gets cast as catwoman you shot yourself out of shame
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I've read Batman: Year One. Great comic. I still hate Catwoman. Sorry. Maybe I'll have a different outlook if/when I see a great presentation on-screen, but I'm just not a fan of her for some reason.<p><p>-Cheers
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Pretty sure it will be Chris Tucker as a re-imagined Ally Babble.
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Christian Bale as Batman. Micheal Caine. Morgan Freeman. Leonardo di Caprio as Riddler. Directed by Christopher Nolan. It's Oscar time, baby.
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Oh shit...is Webster still alive?
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From SAW...imagine a Riddler that puts people in elaborate death traps as a way to test their wits. If you're not smart enough to solve the riddle,a bear-trap snaps the top of your head off....
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He could be played by Harvey Fierstein and come from the "Greenwich Village" section of Gotham. He menaces Gotham by threatening to make it "FABULOUS".
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since Rachel is no longer in the picture, Catwoman/selina would fill that emotional void.
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I DON'T WANT CATWOMAN OR RIDDLER IN BATMAN 3. RIDDLER WOULD BE TOO SIMILAR TO JOKER. CATWOMAN DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A REAL THREAT OTHER THAN A CRAZY LOVE INTEREST. I WANT A THREAT ON A GRAND SCALE, NOT SOME LOVE/HATE RELATIONSHIP TO BE THE CONFLICT. THE PENGUIN COULD WORK. SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME THE THOUGHT OF THE FIRST FILM ESTABLISHING THE REIGN OF ORGANIZED CRIME, THE SECOND FILM DESTROYING ORGANIZED CRIME, AND THE THIRD BEING A RETURN TO ORGANIZED CRIME, BUT WITH A NEW FORM OF LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS WHY THE PENGUIN, VENTRILOQUIST, OR BLACK MASK WOULD BE MY CHOICE IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THE HEAD WITH IT.
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...The Joker is Batmans antithesis. You cannot top him on a conceptual level. Riddler, Freeze, Penguin, etc are all one gimmick villains next to Joker because Joker manafests the chaod Batman opposes. Romance would be an excellent way to sidestep that problem and would allow them to tell a story about letting go of your hate, which would be a great way to end a potential Batman trilogy.
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Hillarious thought!!!
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Hillarious thought!!!
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June 4, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST
I would love if they used Hush - the character and the story lin
by RedBull_Werewolf
Hush is next to the long halloween as one of the best batman stories, not only does it have hush (who is a great villan) but it also has appaearances by catwoman and the riddler<P>I say adapt the Hush story with the following actors<P>Olivia wilde as Catwoman<P>Joseph gordon Levit as the riddler<P>Leo DiCaprio as Hush
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But how cool would it be to see Clayface? Very I say.. But seriously Riddler is the most plausible in Nolan's Verse.
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Really? Come on, that would be lame and too typical. Batman needs a grand threat. Keep in mind this could be Nolan and Bale's last Batman film, I want it to go out as an epic. Not about Bruce Wayne finding complicated love.
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I'm tired of waiting for the lizard especially after all the teases in the other movies. I know the lizard is marvel but i don't care. If marvel won't put him in a film them put him in batman or even the prequel to 300. Just give me the fucking lizard already! actually just kidding i don't really care.
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yeah man. How about Darth Vader and Hannibal Lector too. And Pricipal Ed Rooney from Ferris Buelers day off.
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I was talking about ending the trilogy as well, but by having him make peace with his past and hang up the mask. You know, actually end it. There could absolutley be another villain in there for that to work, but I don't think one of the "masterminds" would fit well since they require so much character development. A stalking killer in the headlines like Croc or Grundy would allow them to focus on just bruce and selena without short changing the third character like Dent in TDK.
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You know, as much as I like Michael C. Hall, I see him playing Thomas Elliot a.k.a. Hush. Now, for the Riddler, call me crazy, but I think David Tennant would be the perfect Riddler.
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Some of the worst ideas for Batman ever are posted here! Some I know are for fun but alot are being serious with their ideas!
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And Nolan is doing the crossover from the Alan Moore run. Hallucinogenic tubers, Anton Arcane's head, the whole nine. Nah, just kidding -- We all know it'll be Ambush Bug.<br /> Eh, I don't know. In terms of fitting into the Nolanverse. I've always liked the idea of Ray Winstone as The Penguin played straight -- no monocle or Monopoly Man costume, just a dapper well-connected sociopath with a funky nickname.<br /><br /> Either Marion Cotillard or Olivia Wilde would make for good Catwomen. Cotillard has more of the allure, but Wilde would probably be better at the physicality.<br /><br /> As for The Riddler, earliest guess would've been an actorly schlub like William H. Macy or Phillip Seymour Hoffman. But, again, probably not physical enough and would come across too Se7enish. Joseph Gordon-Leavitt might not actually be bad in the part.<br /><br /> It's hard to imagine Nolan delving much deeper into the Rogues' Gallery than these three. Top of hte second tier is Scarecrow and Two-Face, and they've been done.<br /><br /> Another possibility that hasn't come up much, and I know Nolan pooh-poohed it a few movies ago, is Robin. Especially after Hit-Girl, I suspect they'd cast older than the actual character -- Andrew Garfield?
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I want to see the Joker again but at the same time they may be better off leaving this alone. The performance was perfect for the universe that Nolan and Company created. I think that it is such a risk for them to explore the character again that they may not want to hang the success of the film on another actor playing the same character.
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Would be an awful way to end the trilogy. It has to end with him finally accepting that he is Batman and he is the only one who can save Gotham from the increasingly odder group of criminals that are going to be coming at him. Having him find love and quit would be the worst possible ending to the trilogy you could ever do.<BR><BR>And actually thinking about my Bane/Azrael/Talia idea, you could probably sneak the Penguin in there (even though I hate the character) as a very minor villain, as the mob boss who hires Bane. Don't ever have anyone call him "Penguin," except maybe once behind his back as an insult. I mean, I did have the mob involved in my idea, so might as well make people finally able to shut up about the Penguin by making him the mob boss who hires Bane (and is later killed by Azrael Batman). I wouldn't actually mind Bob Hoskins as that Penguin character.
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He can tell the Robin origin story only to have Robin die at the end. The film could explore his fanaticism that way.
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besides Patton Oswalt Chesterfield Cobblepot.
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Morena Baccarin for Catwoman (or Talia) and Terry Crews as Killer Croc. So there.
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You're crazy.
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he's one of my favoutite of the 50's sci fi villans, and if you've ever seen the animated series he worked well there, Nolan could pull it off but i probabaly won't just because he likes his villans down to earth (something which i think is terrible considering the source material)
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Are you drunk?
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June 4, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST
Now we have people claiming Hush was a good story?!
by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING
I've now seen everything.
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I'm both drunk and right!
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Herc....what have you been smoking!? While we are at it, lets cast Danny McBride as the Riddler!
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hahahaha. awesome.
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Riddle me this: "Who is fucking out, and who is fucking in?"
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would be a very good Talia. No one would be a good Catwoman.
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You're drunk. I'M right!
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good call Michael_Jacksons_Ghost
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Michelle Pfeiffer was iconic as Catwoman in Burton's film. We need a new villainess/love interest: Talia al ghul. She's perfect: a match for Batman, a love interest for Bruce and it completes the trilogy perfectly!
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I was just watching se7en and thought the ridler could be like spaceys character in the movie. Hell, it had the right feel and tone. The ridler taunting batman to find and solve the clues and staying just one step ahead of batman.
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He truly is the best candidate to replace Heath, and I'm sick of the "it was too perfect to be followed up" bullcrap. Maybe they talked about it during Inception and said he didn't want to do it? Whatever, I think they've errored in not at least have a small part in the movie for a caged Joker like something from Silence of the Lambs. I know I'm slightly less excited for it now, and Inception is a little less special knowing it isn't leading to that perfect step of casting. Also, Paul Giamatti would be an excellent Penguin, there's just no one interested in writing that character.
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Say they threw that memorial at the end of dark knight just to save face for the citizens of Gotham.
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KILLER CROC!!!!!!!!
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Since in both movies Batman has shown little insight into solving crime or using any super CSI-type evidence gathering. Make the last one a REAL MYSTERY that takes some intelligence to solve.
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Hugh Jackman for Deadshot. David Bowie for Clock King. Vern Troyer for Bat-Mite. Herc for Batman's codpiece.
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maybe i'm not remembering it clearly? i thought in that book that selina was inspired by batman and became catwoman for that reason? i guess i should reread it, but i was left with the impression that selina, as depicted in Year One, could easily be adapted to fit the plausibility of the nolanverse. that's really the point i wanted to make there.<p>but whatever. nolan will make it work, whoever he chooses to include, and however he chooses to include them. 2012 can't come soon enough.
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to replace Ledger as The Joker. But I think he would be a wonderful Riddler. Off kilter, anti-social and completely full of himself and his intellect. Sees Batman as a true contemporary to match his insanely large brain against.
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That worked really well for Tim Burton's Gotham. Nolan's Catwoman will be much trickier. What if instead of a sexy Catwoman you had more of a tomboy or revolutionary Marxist type. That would be a cool twist on that character. An exact opposite type of vigilante than Batman.
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1. Hire Pixar and animate the whole film. 2. Have product placements promoting healthy food choices for children. 3. Make it black and white. 4. Have it take place in Africa (Specifically in Kenya). 5. Have no villians. A viilian is uinecessary at this point. 6. Needs a 3-D water balloon fight. 7. Make it a sing-a-long musical. (A la Grease being re-released as a sing along movie in theatres.) 8. Hire Hercules to direct. (only under the current state he is in). 9. Hire David Spade to voice Batman. = Box Office Billions. 5.
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Bruce is so torn about how things went in TDK that he recedes into his new persona- Matches Malone. He only appears rarely as Batman, and almost never as Bruce Wayne. Meanwhile a master of disguise (or shapeshifter if it can be done) shows up and starts to impersonate Batman while commiting serious crimes. Batman's a fugitive anyway, so why not pin the blame on him? Bruce lets it happen since it means he doesn't have to be out baiting the cops every night. Eventually he is drawn back to his real life/lives as Bruce and Batman, donning the cowl again to take out Clayface before he murderes Gordon.
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Why don't they do stunt casting, and pick Lady Ga-Ga for Catwoman. I could see her doing it, and it would bring in bookue's of dollars.
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in nolans real world how could he have survived that fall, batman had armor and even he looked pretty fucked up after (he was even knocked out) and if you use the theory that the memorial was just for show, it makes gordon and batman look pretty dumb considering The decided to give long speeches rather then help a dude who was unconscience and likely internally bleeding after the fall. No, they didn't help him because he was dead.<P>Plus having harvey alive completley destorys what the dark knight spent 2 and a half hours doing, which was setting up batman as the vigilante, Batman 3 needs to start with the people of gotham believing Batman committed all those murders and then killed harvey. Negatting that setup is something Mc G would do in a third film, not a real filmakier like chris nolan
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Egyptian-themed secret societies. Badass hax0r skillz. They are everyone and no one. Know one?
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Too fucking cheesy. The lack of imagination shown by many of the posters here is beyond belief. Here is a character that has been around for decades, has had and still has numerous publications featuring his adventures, has fought numerous villains in numerous storylines and all you dumbasses can think of is Joker/Riddler/Catwoman/Penguin. Particularly lame are those whining about no Joker. They already did that, fools. And in case you didn't notice, Joker has not appeared in every single Batman comic or storyline, and the excellent animated series of the nineties managed to churn out plenty of excellent episodes without any Joker in them. They need to step it up in the third installment and look beyond the obvious. I would even go so far as to say that maybe creating a new villain might be in order. What I want to see is Batman up against someone who poses a serious physical challenge. It would be awesome if the Knightfall saga could be brought to the big screen, but I don't think that would work with this incarnation of Batman.
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i know he probabaly doesn't want to get trapped in all these comic book roles, but JdM as deadshot would be sweet
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He can be a mob Boss.
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Hugo Strange. That could be fucking awesome. A bald Ben Linus for the win!
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To be perfectly honest the only parts I enjoy are the Joker scenes. The rest of the movie bores me.
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for Robin. Don't fucking question it. I'm right and you're wrong.
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is where Batman jumped out the window to catch Rachel Dawes:Take 2. So...I guess the Joker just stayed and mingled with the crowd, ate some more shrimp, and then, called it a night? lol
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You question my theory but you want to all of a sudden jump into secret six and villains united characters? You're worse than the nightwing and robin fanboys haha.
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In a leather bodysuit. <br> <br>And with that I bid you goodnite. <br> <br> Have sweet dreams kids.
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Didn't they team them up for a couple eps of the Adam West Batman? I like the idea of Penguin being a minor character, I can see a mobster with a hint of scar tissue bridging the pinkie to the third finger. And I still think a LOT could be done with Tut via the Secret Society angle. And Riddler tapping that body of esoterica and the secrets of the Fellowship's more prominent members...
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Done right -- highly intelligent, cunning anti-Batman. Maybe played by Javier Bardem with CGI assists when on venom.
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June 5, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST
Remember the curse of every comic book movie, the third will alw
by JamesGANDERPeek
Hopefully Nolan can break this curse.
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now, that would be awesome
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...I was thinking he was somebody else. Did a search for him and now I can see what people would suggest him for The Joker if Nolan does another movie with that character. However, it's just too soon. There needs to be another movie first so people won't just go into it comparing the two actors instead of actually watching the movie.
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Christopher Loyd as Ventriloquist, and Warwick Davis as the Ass Puppet.
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supposed to be Gene Tierney in Leave Her to Heaven? nice obscure movie reference there. that was a helluva scene on the lake. has there ever been a colder bitch than Ellen Berent Harland in a movie? i'm hard-pressed to think of one.
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Guess the producers forgot to pay their AICN protection money.
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...I say Ras/Thalia. No Catwoman. I don't want Catwoman in this Batman's world. Although I agree with people who say Nolan would do it differently, Catwoman has always been a cheesy character for me.
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Yeah, that sounds right. Quit while you're ahead. Enough with the Batman movies. The last thing the world needs is Patrick Bateman doing his God-awful growly growly voice while he wears a black cantaloupe on his head.
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as Bane.
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June 5, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST
Michael_Jacksons_Ghost: I already mentioned Hugo Strange
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Read the fucking thread before you make an ass of yourself.
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the imortality of ra's was hinted at so obviously nolan was open to it
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Crispin_Glovers_Acid_Flashback as Glory Hole Bum #2.
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Bruce Wayne gives up being Batman after he gets addicted to playing Farmville on Facebook! Barbara Gordon dons the cowl as Batgirl! Thus setting Batgirl up for her own franchise.
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You know it to be true.
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...playing off the serial killer obsession of taunting those who would like to catch him. More of a Jack the Ripper vibe than the smarmy "I'm-So-Fucking-Clever" egomaniac...I can just see it: The Clues Are In Place. Can The Batman Solve The Riddle In Time To Save Something REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT, and not just Alfred dangling over a pool of crocodiles or some such shit?
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June 5, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST
I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to sparkle motion
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
CTRL + F + [keyword] = successful thread skimming. CYA, talkbackers. Now: as a glory hole bum, am I getting fellated, or smoking a meat cigar?
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This movie will be made, and most of you will be disappointed. ;-)
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Thanks for the hush love, not sure if I agree with your casting tho. I like Olivia Wilde, but I gotta go with the above suggestion of Guy Pearce as riddler. As for Hush... That's a conundrum
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After the very dark and dour The Dark Knight, Bruce is deeply in need of a playful love interest, aka Selina Kyle. The whole Catwoman/Batman dynamic would be the perfect backdrop to the next story, no matter who, or what, the next villain is. Done right, it could be very cool.
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He seems to have an "allergy" towards anything to do with "Hollywood"...including Nolan (who, if rumor stands, has considered him for/offered him *both* Batman *and* Harvey Dent)
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The role of Glory Hole Bum #2 is the guy in line waiting for his turn. Now as for sucking the pole, or getting knobbed on, that's for the viewers imagination.
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to reprise the "Mad Hatter" for Bats 3, then...? ;-)
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June 5, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST
Its too bad The Dead Pool did the RC car bombs already, but
by Geomancer21
I wouldn't mind seeing the Grey Ghost story in movie form.
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Particularly after two women already played one character that they killed off. Just leave it alone. I don't think people are really looking for a Batman love story from this particular group of participants.
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"I thought they'd pull a Superman Returns (with Marlon Brando) and use snippets of spare material to construct a cameo of him in the shadows of an Arkham Asylum cell, closing out the whole trilogy with a real kick!".........Spooky that you mentioned that b/c I was thinking of the same exact thing. I doubt Nolan would ever do it though b/c he might see that as a sign of disrespect and ultimately it's not something we could ever get a true pay-off to since sadly Heath is gone. It still would be awesome though in a weird yet fitting way.
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I think you'll go for the meat cigar. Just remember, don't inhale.
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I had no idea about that.
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Calendar Man.
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She'd be like Robin, except way better!
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I like Depp fir the Riddler role, but I'm not sure he can receive email or get cell signal so far inside of Tim Burton's ass, so with no way to contact him- I'm pulling for Pierce
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Clayface? Killer Croc? Mr. Freeze? <br> Some of you guys really need to get your hands on a camera and shoot your own movies. Not because your ideas are any good, but because they'd be funny as fuck to see.
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Had no fucking understanding of Batman at all. Read the interviews. He didn't get Batman. That is why the first one is Jack Nicholson hamming it up to Prince instead of playing the Joker. I don't consider anything about this movie to be iconic.
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I hadn't thought about Catwoman that way before, but it makes thematic sense. The Heath Joker was a happy anarchist, so they've done the order v. chaos bit. But a Catwoman who argued that Bats was fighting for the *wrong* order (and why wouldn't he, being a billionaire, yadda yadda yadda) adds a different dimension. With that and the romance angle, you have your character dynamics.<br /><br /> Plus just as Lucius Fox and the warrantless wiretapping machine was timely for 2008, this -- thanks to the Tea Party moron fringe -- would be timely for 2011...omg creeping socializms. So I definitely think you may be on to something.
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He could be a pedophile, or just a guy with an itchy groin. Or maybe a skinny Irish guy who torments batman by playing an old fiddle really quickly. I like the idea of The Pengwench as mentioned above. On a serious note,we need some sex injection in the next film. Catwoman please mr Nolan.
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He could be a pedophile, or just a guy with an itchy groin. Or maybe a skinny Irish guy who torments batman by playing an old fiddle really quickly. I like the idea of The Pengwench as mentioned above. On a serious note,we need some sex injection in the next film. Catwoman please mr Nolan.
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I think Nolan's Batman movies are equally silly from a different perspective. Sorry, "when forced to make a choice," I'll take Pfeiffer and Keaton's interpretations anyday over Eckhart's bland, boring Dent, Gyllanhal's eternal frown, and Bale's growl.
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June 5, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST
Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman can all work in Nolanverse
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Penguin should be a rich succesful industrialist like Bruce (a competitor), but unlike Bruce did not inherit the money/business, is self made, a mayoral candidate, but secretly a mob boss. The mobsters know him as The Penguin, not seen by many mobsters but the ones who have seen glimpses, notice how he always seems to be wearing a tux. No deformities, not fat and short. Slightly younger than Bruce also popular with the ladies played by Tom Hardy (Bronson). <br />The Penguin as a mayoral candidate obviously is against Batman and talks about the escalation he has caused, i.e. Two Face and Joker. Through his connections he brings in a detective from outside of Gotham to help lead the hunt for Batman, find out who he is. <br />This detective, is a genuine, honest guy, dedicated, but is too obsessed with solving all the mysteries. He is suffering for being unable to find his daughter's killer. Unknown to him his mind created a split personality when he attempted suicide, after failing to find his daughter's killer. This split personality creates mysteries, so that he can solve them and get a temproary sense of resolution. Of course the split personality is The Riddler. There is also escalation in Riddler's mysteries with mass murder being part of the equation. The Riddler played by Guy Pearce.<br />So with Batman dealing with being hunted, trying to stop the Riddler and find out who he is, in comes a European girl into his life. A sexy, sophisticated girl, who loves to steal for the thrill of it. She uses the name Selina Kyle, but her real name is Talia A Ghul. She knows Batman is responsible for her Father's death, but doesn't know about the Bruce Wayne connection. Played by Marion Cotillard<br />Think the Talia piece helps tie it back to the first and the start of Nolan's trilogy.<br />Also think an Arkham cameo with Joker and Scarecrow and a few others unseen (before in Nolan's movies) would be great as well.
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If the original story intent was to bring the Joker back for the 3rd film, then they shouldn't compromise the story because of Heath's passing. I mean, I'd rather the story's integrity remain with a new actor seen as filling the shoes of another rather than having another character(s) seen as filling in for the Joker- it just weakens the story because we'll all be able to see it. Now, if they intend to go in a different direction completely, fine, but I'd rather they stick to their guns.
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There's no need for violence- they're both great in their own way, the Batmans and Beetlejuice were burton's last watchable films. They are totally opposite ends of the spectrum, but both equally good. But I still say fuckall to the nipples on the batsuit
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was to bring BOTH the Joker and Harv back for #3 -- Research Goyer's 2005 interview in the PREMIERE Mag feature article on "Batman Begins"... They obviously changed their perspective somewhere along the way...and even more once they/we lost Ledger.
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I went with Guy Pearce, Leo is the other choice
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might as well just call it se7en if you want to do the killer who leaves cryptic clues. Gordon becomes the Freeman role, and the Rookie becomes Batman or a Robin like character, and Batman is a shadow until the end. Fuck that!!!!!!!!!!!!! <P> I want a movie that opens up with an insane prison riot being broken up by a swat team. The camera pans across a group of cells and finally closing in on one with a man knelt over a pyre of burning bodies. He's slamming a kitchen pan into something on the ground. We see his blood drenched hand gripping the handle, the tips of the fingers cut off. The pan slams into a collection of white teeth resting on the tile floor, turning them into dust. He pulls a kitchen knife from a corpse in the fire he races to the mirror. We still haven't seen his face. The camera closes in behind his head as he digs the hot kitchen knife into his face, cutting off bits of flesh. He tosses them away like unwanted table scraps into the pyre. The riot squad is closing in on the cell. Our disfigure mystery man runs the knife across his chest, carving a question mark across it's surface. The guards are at a lose for words when they get to this cell. The figure holds the knife out towards them. They hit him with a taser. Fade out.
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disagree on Burton's Bats. Find them both HIGHLY rewatchable. Can't say the same for TDK. Begins? more tolerable, and interesting.
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Is it because he worked with your God (yes of course Whedon) ?
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I think if they go the "show joker in a darkly lit padded cell in arkham" route, Charlie Hunnam would fit nicely. The question is, what actor in his right mind would even try to play the joker now? Nicholson and ledger were both so good and so opposite, anything in between would be unacceptable. And who the he'll would want to copy someone elses performance?
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Otherwise you really just have Joker comparrisons, they will happen either way, but we already had a crazy violent guy
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Make him the coked out Gotham drug king. Instead of leaving Riddles because that's simple his MO he'll spout them out because it's a nervous tweak.
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we dont need that. It's been done. Dare to do something new. I'm sorry i dont want a dead body easter egg hunt movie. Thats what se7en was. One day body a new set of clues, two guys, one seasoned another a rookie having to work with one another to solve the mystery. A son of same zodiac angle is too small for batman. A stupid little people killer. No... Batman needs a villain as large as he is. Not some like bitch jack the ripper fuck running around leaving corpses with clues.
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We dont need that. It's been done, more than once already. Dare to do something new. I'm sorry I dont want a dead body easter egg hunt movie. That's what Se7en and Zodiac was. New dead body, new set of clues or taunts, two guys, one seasoned, another a rookie, Or one them is press another one is a detective, having to work with one another to solve the mystery. A son of sam, zodiac angle is too small for batman. A stupid little people killer. No... Batman needs a villain as large as he is. Not some like bitch jack the ripper fuck running around leaving corpses with clues. Gotham and it's order has to be challenged like it has never been challenged before. We already know the tie with batman and the police and yada yada ya is heavy enough to bake the cake. Put someone into the game that really knows how to turn the screws and this could be epic.
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say that Fox has a girlfriend in this one because he's retired since Batman is on the run, but the woman is just using Fox because she wants to murder Alfred so Batman is forced to come back.
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Even the Dark Knight is powerless against legions of frustrated screenwriters in deadend jobs. How will he fight against cliched ideas of super-cereal Riddlers or Catwomen? He can't, so Batman eats a bullet in the first ten minutes and the next two hours are credits.
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Rachel Weisz. That is all.
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funny how that works..a talkbacker gets drunk and spams..they get banned..an AICN writer gets drunk and stupid..I bet they get a "thats good work lou" text from Harry
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Bats v Nerd Rage, "Damn you for Dark Knight, crtically acclaimed, popular and finacially succesful, how dare you!!!" <br />Nerd Rage can look like the Smoke Monster from Lost
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I could eat...er deal with that. Either way, TALIA should be in this movie. Remember Nolan's comments about "We want to end OUR STORY." Seems logical, to me. It began with Ra's, it shall end with his kin (and perhaps he, himself).
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We didn't get a "I wannna suck Joss's cock"
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OK, NOW I understand why he hates "Smallville" SO much...
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Like I've said already, avoiding the Joker right now is not a bad idea because of the distraction factor. But I do agree with you regarding taking it a different direction vs switching to a different villain and using whatever ideas they had before. They can always come back to the Joker again in film four (fingers crossed) when there won't be so much "but it's not exactly like Heath Ledger" going on.
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She could be the mistress of someone running for governor. He has mob ties, he might be growing tired of her demands to end his relationship with his wife, that or he feels that media attention on him is too large. or maybe his ties to the mob have remained pretty unknown and she found out about them. Basically her knowledge of this and any media knowledge of his infidelity could ruin his political career, so he decides to have her dealt with and he uses the mob to do it so his hands remain clean. She's a vet she owns her own practice they decide to attack her there. They kill her cats, they rape her and set the place on fire, she is shot in the head and left for dead, but she doesn't die. Batman saves her. He takes her to a hospital. She remains in coma for a few months. When she breaks free of the coma she has no knowledge of the events that transpired, in fact she doesn't know who she is. Bruce Wayne enters her life, yes on purpose. She starts to have nightmares involving cats tearing her flesh apart. She recalls who she is after watching the newly elected governor giving a victory speech on tv, she figures out that Bruce is batman somehow, and she uses his gear to disguise herself when she goes out to seek revenge. Batman spends the rest of the film trying to stop her murderous rampage. She starts with the mob.
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Have Gordon look through Joker's case file. Have a picture or two, and then have them stamp ARKHAM on the file The End.
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should be Doctor Octopus in a Spider-Man reboot. Personally, I'm not terribly excited for a new Batman, but I'm glad it is being done by Nolan and not people in the talkbacks. Hopefully he is able to hit on something that nobody else has, because I have no interest in these ideas.
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You could play with that a little more so that when she figures out that Batman is Bruce, it leads her to suspect that he is also involved in the whole hot mess. Once she knows about him, knows about his ties with Gordon, knows about the two face cover up. Why shouldn't she suspect that he might be tied in with the new governor.
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June 5, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST
would love to see the Knightfall story bought to the big screen
by Miyamoto_Musashi
but can't see it happening under Nolan.<br />Also would spread it out over a couple of movies
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Knightfall would be good but then Hush would fit in great with this vision of batman?
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I thought William Fichtner would be back as the bank manager now being the Riddler - theres the line "what doesnt kill us only makes us... stranger" what was his contract? I also think the Cats comment was a give away too.
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June 5, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST
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by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET
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If it is Cat woman they could have a female Robin as in the Dark Knight graphic novel. He said he would not do it though. The character could have a redemptive effect on Bruce as he has lost everything, i think Alfred will buy the farm in thisone. A female Robin would also be a could double with Catwoman - different versions of femininity.
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should just shut the fuck up. That's a character nobody ever wants to see in or near the Batman franchise again. I don't even view that 'character' as being in or existing in any variation of the Batman Universe. Blame Joel S.
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Riddler - played by Micheal C Hall. That would be cool
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of the Joker and the Riddler. He dies at the end, of course, but he leaves behind children: The Singer, the storyteller, the construction worker...
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coke, hookers, lozenges, and needy mother sister relatives can not compare.
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Gotham's underworld hires assassin Slade Wilson to take out the Bat, while Bruce's friend Dr. Langstrom goes off the deep end...of many buildings in Gotham.
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That´s my bet.
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If they're gonna have Dick Grayson PLEASE cast an actual child and not some 20something. Think Daniel Radcliffe circa Chamber of Secrets. And be real about it ie. he won't be taking down villains the size of Bane or something. Have him going on reconnaissance and that.
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When the studio sees that they can cut the makeup budget in half, The Joker will be back.
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He is one of the most boring and non threatening Batman villains ever! Its like wanting Killer Moth to headline Batman 3! No way Riddler should be number one baddy. I want to see Black Mask or Hush done right as Villain and Catwoman as love interest in a grey area (anyone who say "no loveinterests in the next batman" is kidding himself. like they are going to make a movie without a love angle) and Dick Grayson as little kid that Bruce adopts who pulls him out of the shadows a bit.
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The Marshall Rogers/Steve Englehart Clayface ? Very dark tragic figure. Also why not Hush? No matter, Nolans going to do his own thing with whoever he decides on.
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If he's gonna feature Catwoman, let it be Carrie Ann Moss - a) Nolan likes working with her and b) the combo of the MATRIX movies showing she can do that kind of stunt-heavy PVC work plus her odd mix of hardness and vulnerability would make for an interesting villain. Penguin? Giamatti, umless he gets Richard Griffiths in to play a psychotic version of Uncle Monty.
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Brokeback Ledger's depiction was lame, and if he hadn't become Worm Chow, the movie's gross would have been about half of what it was. The perfect Joker would be something right in the middle between Nicholson's and Ledger's performances.
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He IS part of the Batman legacy, and does deserve at least a 1-second man-in-the-crowd appearance.
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In the form of deleted scenes, alternate takes, and ADR outtakes. There was no extra footage on the DVD. Probably won't happen but it's an option, especially if they take "The Long Halloween" route...
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Nuff said.
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in pecking order: 1. The Penguin 2. Catwoman 3. the Riddler
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...SE7EN'S John Doe: he leaves his riddles on carved up corpses.<p> Maybe the fugitive Batman has to pursue him through Gotham's underworld by joining forces with a mob boss nicknamed "The Penguin" and a female cat burglar...
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the Riddler fits perfectly
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Count me out.
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June 5, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST
If he did go for Catwoman I'd love it to be Megan Fox because...
by Dolmes
...it 'might' shut you all up. I remember the stick Heath Ledger came in for when he was cast. Talkbackers, mostly kuntz.
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based on a FAN MADE POSTER
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She's a great Cosplay artist. Here's the link to her site: http://www.meaganvanburkleo.com/ Check out her awesome Zatanna pics.
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Great idea for a coked out Riddler. I would love any of the following dudes mentioned above to play him: Guy Pierce (my fav choice), Hugh Laurie, Leo, Macy, or Sam Rockwell. <br/> <br/> Catwoman, meh, I guess, but fuck no for the Penquin.
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forgot to add that shit
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want a Zodiac-like Riddler? That's not even the character. If you're going to go with a serial killer, they already established Zsasz in the first one. To me, wanting the Riddler to be a serial killer is acknowledging how lame the character is, in that you want to change him to be something else.<BR><BR>And the Penguin running for Mayor? Jesus, haven't seen that before, have we?
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Is a tiny shrimp....and annoying, did I mention that?
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was actually kind of shitty. I had always remembered it being awesome, but it ended up being horribly corny, poorly written, and even animated bizarrely. One of the few weak episodes in the series. Of course, subsequent Clayface episodes rocked.
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The real Mr. Freeze, at least as he was portrayed on Batman TAS (& Sub-Zero) would make a kick ass, compelling "villian". It would be awesome if they could ressurect Vincent Price and make the new villian Egghead.
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Jack Nicholson was not a great Joker. He was, however, a great JACK NICHOLSON. He did not create a great performance for that film. Instead, he merely did his usual "Jack" thing is a Joker costume. I saw nothing in "Batman" that I hadn't seen already in his other films (especially "The Witches of Eastwick", which was only two years before). Yes, Nicholson is always fun to watch, but it was obvious that he was merely phoning-in his performance for a huge payday. Heath Ledger gave a great performance that was absolutely nothing like his previous work, and he absolutely deserved that Oscar.
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June 5, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST
I wish people would stop thinking this role died with Ledger.
by Holeman
It fucking didn't. Another actor can come along and put their own spin on it, it's not going to somehow lessen Ledger's performance. All this fucking reverence toward THE JOKER needs to fucking end. Seriously.
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My first thought when seeing the pic of the chic was Jokers ex brood and not catwoman furthermoore a new riddler would be cool and I would love to see Leo Dicaprio bring justice to that role and pown Carreys ass for evermore. Woot.
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I remember donning my Batman logo shirt and waiting in a long line to see the first midnight screening of the first Burton Batman movie...and remember at some point early on really not liking the movie. The Prince music didn't help, though I did buy the cd- only to use it in an art project for school years later when i needed a cd and jewel case. And for some reason I thought Nicholson wasn't a very good Joker...he was just Jack Nicholson wearing make-up. Never saw the love for his version of the character.
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Make him a circus freak in the same troupe as The Flying Graysons. Boom.
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Harley Quinn is a young girl dressed up as a jester who's all psychotic, more brutal and more evil than Catwoman would ever be. Harley Quinn is a popular Batman villain that's been used in the comics and the cartoon series. Harley hasn't yet been used for live action movies. If there was a female villain to be used for the next Batman flick, my choice is Harley. Catwoman and Poison Ivy were already used in the flicks, time for something different.
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Terry Crews could play him. Make him just a muscle guy with weird skin. And instead of having people come fuck up the circus one night, just let it be. Use it like Iron Man one used SHIELD. Nolan wouldn't have to address those things directly, so he wins.
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All the Heath fangirls already have the same level of rabid obsession, and I, for one, don't want to see that in a film.
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on Nicholson. He was the only thing amusing about that movie, but he was NOT the Joker.
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Played Jack Nicholson with green hair. No acting required.
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...Question Bird. "We sort of combined two Batman villains." Also Catwoman is now Russian. Just because.
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Now it's a giant iPad.
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Actually, the whole Luche dore Idea is there because it helps move away from the whole Santa Prisca srving his mothers prison sentence thing. <P> It also helps with the VENOM part of his story. <P> Also you obviously never read any of the Denny O'Neal Knightfall books where he showed that Bane is actually a very capable tactition who wore Batman down and kept him distracted while he took over Gotham. <P> so basically in a film with him and Penguin, he could be playing both sides. Penguins and his own. <P> If you wanted to use the Riddler in a story like tis, you cold have him be like a Terrorist that likes to taunt those he is terrorizing, but you could also have him throwing a wrench into Penguins plans because maybe Penguin is responsible for some event that changed this guys life for good. <P> <P> THe primary thing with the Riddler, is he needs the right motivation. In the comics it was just that he felt his Genius was overlooked by those around him. <P> Sorry but that is some TV movie of the week motivation. It would have to be bigger. <P> Also with the Nolans bent on slipping in social commentary, it would have to have something to do with the overall state of the world. <P> In film, no Idea is to preposterous. Everything can be made to work, so keep an open mind.
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June 5, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST
Why my friend Hercules is dead hungover by Harry Knowles
by EddieMurphysLaugh
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to be in exclusive worlds where they will never meet? I for one think seeing a Nolan Batman dealing with a Superman among us would be fascinating. If Batman was warned of the villainous escalation that would ensue upon his coming onto the scene I can only imagine this lesson scaring the bat crap out of Mr. Wayne if he were to apply it to one such as Superman. I mean, if the world had to deal with Joker and the like due to Batman what would be the consequence of having a cosmic powerhouse like Superman living among us? Spooky! Seeing how Batman deals with something like that would be awesome!
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I could see a third Christopher Nolan Batman film in which Batman is captured by the police, unmasked, and eventually declared mentally unstable by Gotham City’s court appointed psychiatrist, Dr. Hugo Strange. He would then be sent to Arkham Asylum where many of the villains he has captured in the past (between films) anxiously await his arrival. We already know that the Scarecrow is there (thus making him a character that would appear in all three films), and Killer Croc was also glimpsed in the second film. I’m sure there are several other “lesser” Batman villains which could fit into the realistic world Nolan has created for his Batman. In the end, with Batman’s identity already revealed to the world, it would effectively mean the end of his career as a crimefighter. Maybe he could stage his own death, and then disappear into the shadows for a number of years, only to re-emerge as the Dark Knight in the next series of films based on Frank Miller’s classic storyline.
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but since i'm not 13 anymore, i can see that all he was doing was being his wacky One flew over the cuckoo's nest character. mildly entertaining but not really the Joker. there was never a scary moment with him which is essential in any psychopathic murderer, especially the Joker. <p> also, for those that want Batman to have a new love interest in Catwoman or Talia - go fucking watch sex and the city or ps i fucking love you or some shit. no romance needed in a batman film unless it revolves around the chick being killed and pissing Bats off.
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There's your villains. <br> <br> Go Batman!
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It's different than a cartoon, guys. They made a real movie. With a bad guy. Like, one that the viewer can take seriously.
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Seriously?? Come on now people. I understand that you feel empowered by belittling everything and posting about it on this site. But give some credit where its do. <br> <br> It's time to pull the cob of corn out of your own asses and get out and enjoy life a little.
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It´s even a pain in the ass, to look for the 7 instead of the S. "Se7en" was a marketing ploy, nothing more. I swear some of you are just a bunch of sheep.
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They're looking for the "V", not the "S".
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"Why the hell do people want a Zodiac-like Riddler? That's not even the character. If you're going to go with a serial killer, they already established Zsasz in the first one. To me, wanting the Riddler to be a serial killer is acknowledging how lame the character is, in that you want to change him to be something else."<p> The problem with your "Zsasz" idea is I had to actually Google him before I knew who the fuck he was. Same goes for all these clowns crying out for Bane or Deadshot...no one outside of a comic store knows who the fuck they are. Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate, Gawddammit.<p> Long story short, the list boils down The Riddler, The Penguin and/or Catwoman, simply for the sake of pop familiarity. In fact, if you would bother to think about it, the only reason Nolan went with Al Ghul and The Scarecrow in BEGINS was because the studio was so desperate to do something new with the villains on the reboot, they were hollering for new blood. Once Nolan proved himself, they were willing to look at retreading a character effectively done at an earlier date...The Joker.<p> And another thing to stop and think about is that The Riddler isn't defined by Frank Gorshin's tights or those stupid fucking question marks and emerald green Lone Ranger mask...it's by riddles. In the same way that the The Joker is creepy because he makes jokes that only he finds funny, a Nolan Riddler could have a creepy new twist by being a maniac who crafts riddles only his warped mind can solve.<p> Step outside your fucking box.
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Hugo Strange -- an insane psychologist who knows Bruce Wayne's secret identity and lusts to take the identity for himself. He is also a chemical genius who can turn people into large, lumbering, brutal zombie-like creatures that obey his every command.' First appeared in 1940 -- so he's a Bob Kane classic psycho villan right up Nolan's alley, and who fits the tone of the series. And how about this for stunt casting: Johnny Depp as Jervis Tetch -- the Mad Hatter.
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Instead of the questionmark, tghtfitting jumpsuit, he could wear a dark green toned three piece suit with a bowler and a black mask -- like he's depicted in some updated versions. You could add question marks to the suit. Thre twost would be that he plays off of the Joker incident -- and uses Riddles -- in a similar way to how the Joker committed his acts of anarchy -- as a means of throwing Batman off of his criminal activities.
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That's why Nicholson is pissed. He knows that performance by Ledger was one for the ages.
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Now you're thinking.<p> And where is it written that The Riddler couldn't be a scary fuck?
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yeah...hes cerebral enough fer riddler... would really like to see a kinky new catwoman...skip the origin though... fanboy in me crosses fingers fer a superman cameo...cut through the tape and make it happen .02
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Or Ben Kingsley.
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Don't know if you were around in '89, but people absolutely went apeshit about Nicholson's Joker. It's indisputable that he was a key factor in Burton's BATMAN being the blockbuster it was.<p> Not the same flavor, but a great dish, just differently prepared. Don't trash an acting genius, if you don't have to...
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And I remember distinctly the hype over the movie back then, and when I first saw it in the theaters. The reason everyone loved that movie was because the Batman suit was frigging cool, as was the Batmobile, and the outstanding set design. It was the first real comic book movie that got it right. Nicholson's Joker character was a little too close to Cesar Romero for me -- only with More Psychosis! His dancing henchmen were a joke -- and there was a bit too much camp in the portrayal. Now, at the time, I loved the character. But, in retrospect, he was a bit too over the top and goofy for my taste.
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...would be Daniel Day Lewis. No other actor could pull it off after Ledger.
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"Now, at the time, I loved the character. But, in retrospect, he was a bit too over the top and goofy for my taste."<p> He wasn't perfect, but I look at him as the precursor to this character:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nUFxsZqpA
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bored the living shit out of me. Every scene that Nicholson wasn't in was torture. From Keaton's horrible Bruce Wayne to Robert fucking Wuhl, it was a shit movie made watchable by Nicholson playing the same character he plays in every movie. I remember wondering what was wrong with my friends, thinking it was a good movie. Now, Batman Returns was an improvement, although I found myself rooting for the Penguin, as Batman just came off as an ass.
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has the best opening of a comic book film ever and has never been bettered.
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1. The set and production design. It was the first time an iconic comic book character had been taken seriously and been done right. 2. The batsuit, Batmobile, Batcave, etc. 3. The relationship between Alfred and Bruce Wayne. 4. Jack Palance gave a very underappreciated performance, that unfortunately was much too truncated. 5. Nicholson's Joker was much closer to how Bob Kane, etc intended him to be. But -- he was still too campy and comical. Yes, I thought Vicky Vale, et al, were terrible. But I thought Keaton was actually good in the part.
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that will be stupid or inappropriate for Nolan's universe: <br> Maxie Zeus <br> Tweedledum and Tweedledee <br> THe Cavalier <br> Gentleman Ghost <br> THe Great WHite Shark <br> Mime <br> Onomatopoeia <br> Signalman <br> Santa Claus <br> The Ghost of John Wayne <br> Sarah Palin
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JettL93 told me.
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She's on;y 5' 7½". I'm not sur that'll do it.</p> <p>How's about abandoning some of that old-school Bat-villain stuff and going for Harley Quinn? A Harley Quinn seeking revenge for her Beau's downfall? How about a quickly retconned Talia al Ghuland post-parapelegic Barbara Gordon to make an inverse Trinity of villainesses?
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I beg to differ:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw
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for those that seem confused as to why anyone would want or "need" the joker in the third film, well it's fairly simple. he was set up at the end of the first film. highlighted throughout the second film and left with an incredible speech about how the two entities would be an eternal struggle (see, the upside down monologue so brilliantly delivered by ledger), and it seems only appropriate that he be featured at some point in the third film. I agree that Ledger is an icon and his Joker is incredibly important, but to write the character off because of the death of the actor is absurd. I guarantee you that if Heath had lived, this would be a Joker story in some facet. Albeit, i suppose it would involve his ending, but still, had he survived, Nolan wouldn't be saying that its out of the question. Ledger would have just been seen as an ass and they would have recast him. Sadly, we're not in that position and to complete Batman's story without any talk or show of Joker but a completely new villain is dangerous. Its not impossible, but its dangerous. I don't want to see anyone in that role either, but Nolan is one of the best directors in the world today and he's worked with the best and can get the best, the character is bigger than the sad death of Heath Ledger. I miss him too, but I knew of the Joker longer before i knew of Ledger and I will continue to know of the Joker longer after. i guarantee his ideas for Superman contain Lex Luthor (because he's integral to the story of Superman, like the Joker is to Batman). I'm just saying, to rule it out because of a sad death of a talented man, is absurd. and it could hurt a-so-far brilliant franchise. but i'm sure im in the minority here.
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Hulk Hogan from 1989 <br> The Gooch from Dif'rent Strokes<br> Carvelli from Welcome Back, Kotter <br> Space monster ninja vampires <br> The Health Industry <br> Zombie Margaret Thatcher
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I don't disagree with your premise that you cannot have a Batman universe without the Joker in it. But, I do think it would not work to cat another actor in he role for the next movie in the series right after TDK. That would not work, and it would piss off the audience. So, the next one will be joke free. It has to be. But, maybe the one after that could hint at Joker's return in the next installment. But, you'd have to have the perfect actor to pull it off, and the only one I can think of who could do it would be Daniel Day Lewis.
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"She's on;y 5' 7½". I'm not sure that'll do it."<p> Um...check the illustration Herc included above. That's *exactly* correct. Without the requisite kinky heels, even.<p> Height doesn't matter on screen anyway. Didn't much care for Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND, but I thought it was neat how he played with his main character's size all through the movie...
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Following TDK, Batman's perception as Gotham's biggest enemy is being challenged by 2 factions. One is the Jokerz Gang led by Harley Quinn- suspected to have ties to the original Joker. The other is Anarky. At first, Anarky is out to bring Batman down but then he discovers what happened with Harvey Dent. And Anarky won't have it. He believes in honesty, that sacrifice is not the answer, and so he represents a risk to the image of Harvey Dent. And in the end, Anarky has revealed the truth to Gotham- every bit as dedicated but a tad more hopeful than Batman. "The people of Gotham don't need the myth of Harvey Dent, Batman. They have you." And then Batman says something about how Anarky is like Gotham's 'Robin Hood'. And thus Nolan's trilogy ends with the dawn of the Batman & Robin team, a brighter day in Gotham and a Robin proven to be up to the task because he's served as an adversary to Batman- elements of Robin III Tim Drake and Anarky I, the almost-Robin.
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She's like a li'l hobbit gal, she's like 5-foot-nuthin'! Cute as a button, not right for Catwoman. She's more of a TV talent anyway, loved her on Veronica Mars, hated her in everything she's appeared onscreen in.
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Please, no.
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...or a kid on stilts who ripped off V for Vendetta's schtick but dyed the costume red (Anarky). Anarky is lame, and the little bitch can't even spell. I'm content to just wait and see what Nolan pull out of his hat this time. I'm getting bored with all the fanboy speculation.
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According to you:<p><p>"The problem with your "Zsasz" idea is I had to actually Google him before I knew who the fuck he was. Same goes for all these clowns crying out for Bane or Deadshot...no one outside of a comic store knows who the fuck they are. Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate, Gawddammit."<p><p>Alright, that's total bull. How many people outside of a comic book shop or fans of Batman: The Animated Series knew who Ra's Al Ghul was? They MIGHT have known who Two-Face was because he was depicted by Tommy Lee Jones in one of those horrid Batman movies from the 90's. Also, they cast Jonah Hex (or some charade of him) in a title role.<p><p>You might disagree with Zsasz because he's an unknown. Sure. However, 1) using relative unknowns as villains has already been done in movies (in this very series nonetheless!), and 2) your bold statement to "Try to get a tiny bit clued in about how movie producers (and the motion picture market in general) operate" was fairly misguided given the above. Face it, clupula was both kind of right, and made a valid point (and certainly didn't deserve your comment). If you want the Riddler, that's great! Portray him as the Riddler. If you want a dark, sinister, serial killer, use Zsasz, or Onomatopoeia, or maybe somebody like Hush. But pick the character that best works with what you want them to be. Don't just pick the one with the best face-or-name recognition. Nobody in the general public knew who Ra's was, and that was an awesome decision (to me, both the character and the actor with Liam obviously being a classic).<p><p>-Cheers
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If he's just shown sitting in Arkham or on a tv screen or something. It would be nice to think that Ledger's gone but the Joker lives on.
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Blink and you miss him, but he appears twice. Once in a courtroom, then again when the Arkham inmates have broken out. And yes, he is actually called "Mr. Zsasz." Gets taken down in about 3 seconds by Batman.
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I think they've really cleared the way for Catwoman with the death of Rachel Dawes and the foreshadowing in TDK. The movie will need a real Maor Big Bad, though. I can't see the Riddler as that guy since The Riddler isn't a terrorist/murderer like Ras Al Ghul or The Joker, but I suppose he could be made into one (Gary Oldman has said The Riddler was planned as the villain). It'll be interesting to see how they up the stakes and let Batman redeem himself in the public eyes, too.
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It works fine: Bruce is a broken man after Rachel's death, and he seeks out strong women, namely a socialite named Selina Kyle, and Talia Head, the CEO of Head Industries - a company that has stepped in and fixed most of what the Joker destroyed. Meanwhile, Batman is fighting Catwoman, an extremely adept burglar, and a new mob boss - Ventriloquist, Penguin, etc. - and is also dealing with a police manhunt. Reports that Catwoman is sneaking around killing people force Selina to ally with Batman and ferret out the true culprit. They catch Talia, who has fallen for Bruce, and confides in him she was only doing what her father asked. The new league of shadows is revealed, under the seemingly resurrected Ras al Ghul (perhaps not in the Lazarus Pit, but maybe plastic surgery to fix a horribly burned body and face?) Head Industrie's philanthropic efforts have yielded hundreds of city projects, but no one knows that that places them in a position to destroy key areas of the city. Batman must find a way to vanquish his enemies without compromising himself moraly.
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1. I already addressed why Al Ghul and The Scarecrow were used in my earlier post.<p> 2. Bearing that in mind, compare the box office returns on BATMAN BEGINS to THE DARK KNIGHT. One has nearly triple the net of the other, and only an idiot wouldn't think that a certain, well-known clown doesn't have something to do with that.<p> 3. Remember that, *especially* in a recession, movies are profit driven.<p> 4. The Riddler is well known, but sucks as a decent archvillain. Whatever other gripes I have with Nolan, he *does* know how to reinvigorate tired characters. Everyone *thought* they knew who The Joker was, but he surprised them.<p> 5. Quit fantasizing about seeing your "fan fave" characters being included when you know perfectly well how movie producers think.
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Do you really think Nolan has to bow to any studio pressure for a particular character at this point? He could make the villain of the next one the fucking Clock King and everyone and their mothers would still see the movie.
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To this day, I treasure the NIGHTWING "Raping Robin" storyline that so completely fucked with fanboy's repressed sexuality that the character had to be ritually executed by Gail Simone in a SECRET SIX storyline a few years later...
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They certainly hinted at these characters in Dark Knight, similarly to how Joker was hinted at in Batman Begins. And I do trust Nolan with balancing mutliple villains. After all, they did have several villains in Dark Knight. Batman, Joker and Two Face basically eradicated the mob. Now there's even a big space to fill where the mob used to be.
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"He could make the villain of the next one the fucking Clock King and everyone and their mothers would still see the movie."<p> Yeah, I'm sure when people put down their hard-earned cash to see THE DARK KNIGHT, they were exclaiming "One please, for director Christopher Nolan's invigorating new approach to the Batman series!"<p> No, they were paying for the fucking Joker, same as in '89. And there's going to be some serious lost business over his decision not to re-cast the character, rest assured. Which is why, however a maverick he might think himself, he's obliged to go with a known quantity villain on the next.
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If Robert Zemeckis was directing.
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You all remember Sweet Tooth from the seventies Filmation show, don't you? One for the ages.
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Riddle me this, how can a man suck so much ass, but still make a boatload of money?
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I think the Joker gang would be interesting because there would be possibility for the Heath! Joker to hide in their ranks like he did with the bank robbers at the start of TDK. And Batman would never be sure if it was his imagination or it was the same Joker he'd faced. Now, in terms of Anarky, yes he's a total dork. I wouldn't be half surprised if he was an influence on South Park's Professor Chaos. I get that you don't drink, man, but "No thanks, I'm a minor?" Really? Still, the philosophy in his mini-series puts him smack middle in the Joker-Batman dichotomy Nolan set up in TDK, rejecting both the forces of authority and base impulses. Also, if WB is pushing for a Robin (well-known!) I think they'll need to use a college-age TDRobin/Anarky hybrid to fit in Nolan's world.
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June 5, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST
O.J. Simpson as The Guy who Killed his Wife and her new Lover (a
by hairlesspet
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The Kite Men have terrorized China's skies for almost 3,000 years ever since the kite's invention. And now they're in Gotham! :P
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The Riddler & Catwoman.
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June 5, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST
This talkback smells like Mountain Dew, Cheetos and sadness...
by SOMEBODYS_SOMETHING_SOMETHING
Deep, penetrating sadness...
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The people you hire, you've hired for a reason. For the most part, fanboys don't know dick about art. At best they're often even with the same hacks you employ. Chris Nolan earns his millions. That much is clear now.
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That would be Bat-tastic!
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clearly, she is the secondest most important villian in the comics, perhaps next to Two Face and he's had his day. Reckon she could be played by someone like anna friel
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Responding to critics that it's "too dark" and "not kid friendly", he's teaming Batman up with a new crime busting partner in the next installment.<p>http://tinyurl.com/ccj9mo
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You can just throw away any believability the second a 110 lb woman kicks a 200 lb man in 50 lbs of armor clear across a room...but you know she will. I'd love catwoman if she made a formidable sandwich for our dark knight though. Is Womens Lib over yet?
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...it follows the storyline - she's never been attempted before (live action) and she is visually interesting (and, if done right, can definitely be nasty as hell).
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Could we have a Scottish Riddler? Or could he pull off an American accent? He slipped very frequently in DW, so I'm guessing probably not. He certainly has the energy for the role, but I dunno...
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Don't you people want to see somebody new? I am not a Catwoman fan, but I'm in the minority. Still, for all of you pushing for Catwoman, Penguin, a/o Riddler (and I personally like the Riddler, stupid costume aside), they've all been done before. At some point, I'd like to see something different that was done well. Isn't it kind of boring to look forward to (or aspire to look forward to) seeing the exact same villains you've seen done before in movies, not to mention every possible TV (and comic) iteration? It just seems like we're doomed to keep trying the same matchups (e.g. Superman and Lex Luthor, Batman & Joker, Batman and Penguin a/o a/o Catwoman a/o Riddler, we'll probably see Spider-Man and Green Goblin) over and over ad nauseum.<p><p>I know they're iconic or whatever, but that's why I hate reboots and remakes; they get redundant. I can live without The Joker for a movie (or the rest of the series if Nolan takes it past three despite what he's said), and I can settle for a little-known villain that has never seen the silver screen.<p><p>-Cheers
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.....give them another shot! C'mon Hollywood!
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That ones for free.
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"1. I already addressed why Al Ghul and The Scarecrow were used in my earlier post."<p><p>Isn't that conjecture? I disagree. Still, the first Nolan Batman movie did great with two not-so-well-known commodities. <P><P>"2. Bearing that in mind, compare the box office returns on BATMAN BEGINS to THE DARK KNIGHT. One has nearly triple the net of the other, and only an idiot wouldn't think that a certain, well-known clown doesn't have something to do with that."<p><p>Sure, The Joker had something to do with it. So did the (legit) hype with Ledger's performance, his death, and the positive word of mouth. There was a LOT that went into that movie's success. <p><p>3. Remember that, *especially* in a recession, movies are profit driven.<p><p>The next Batman movie is going to have a great opening weekend no matter which villain they throw up there. I mean, point taken, but if Nolan has ever earned the right to do whatever he wants, coming of the highest grossing comic book movie ever (if I'm recalling right), and probably the most highly touted comic book movie of all time, I'd think now would be the time. <p><p>"4. The Riddler is well known, but sucks as a decent archvillain. Whatever other gripes I have with Nolan, he *does* know how to reinvigorate tired characters. Everyone *thought* they knew who The Joker was, but he surprised them."<p><p>True.<p><p> "5. Quit fantasizing about seeing your "fan fave" characters being included when you know perfectly well how movie producers think."<p><p>I don't really have a "fan fave" Batman villain. I mean, I like the story behind Mr. Freeze, but Schumacher sorta screwed that up for the big screen, I like Riddler alright, but even there I don't have one I'm dying to see. I DO have a desire for something new. I'm just thinking aloud as far as characters that seem to have worked without being gimmicky or without having been done to death over the years that seem decent fits in the "universe" Nolan's created.<p><p>-Cheers
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Wicked.
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Great post...and I agree; I'm itching for something new and divisive; and that's why my vote stays with Harley Quinn...she fits the narrative and is one of the most peculiar characters of the Batman mythos (and never attempted before in a live action film).
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June 5, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST
What do you guys think? The Riddler done Kaiser Soze-ish
by ChristmasCameLate
I say that the Riddler should never appear in the film. Not once. Is he real? Is he the conjuration of the criminals in Gotham who need a "hero" to rally around since the cops have a hero to rally around? Is he an urban myth? If so, who started it? What do the riddles mean? Are they meaningless? If they lead to anywhere, what if at the end Batman catches some fellow who's been leaving a FEW of them, but it turns out he's no genius, just a guy trying to be famous like the Joker, and copying the "Riddler" riddles he's been hearing about on the news. Have Catwoman or Harley Quinn there (Quinn done with Natalie Portman in the fashion of the rap she did for SNL, a fucked up girl enamored of the Joker's "career" much like Insane Clown Posse fans believe they're enlightened for listening to the band, think everyone else is "subpar" to their enlightened worldview). By the end, Batman stops Quinn or Cats, and maybe somehow this fake Riddler guy is entangled with them, but the movie fades to black as Batman looks at the last riddle given to him. One he cannot answer--one the writers make up that has no answer--and he's wondering, "Is there an answer? Did he even ever really exist?" Roll credits. What do you think?
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even though he's in it. An alternative: have two or three characters in the film acting "suspicious," so that by the end the audience is left guessing who THEY think the Riddler really was. It would take intricate and careful plotting, but I think it could be done.
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.....to confirm anything, because personally I'd like to see Joker, because if this is the "last" of this series, than who better than the Joker?
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June 5, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST
"Christopher Nolan's invigorating new approach to the Batman ser
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for BurnHollywood (again).<p><p>"Yeah, I'm sure when people put down their hard-earned cash to see THE DARK KNIGHT, they were exclaiming "One please, for director Christopher Nolan's invigorating new approach to the Batman series!" <p><p> No, they were paying for the fucking Joker, same as in '89. And there's going to be some serious lost business over his decision not to re-cast the character, rest assured. Which is why, however a maverick he might think himself, he's obliged to go with a known quantity villain on the next."<p><p>I don't think people were paying as much for The Joker as they were for Batman. I mean, Batman Begins did pretty well with virtual unknowns, the sequels to the Burton Batman did fine until they were pathetic jokes. The absence of The Joker won't kill the movie, and two movies in a row with the Joker (at least as the main character), particularly with it being obvious it's a Heath Ledger replacement, would be less interesting.<p><p>As for your point about people seeing Nolan's Batman because it was an interesting (and more faithful) and invigorating new approach to the cinematic version of the character . . . That's EXACTLY why I saw them! Even if I'm in the minority, I'd bet money LOTS of people saw Batman Begins and The Dark Knight because of Nolan's approach and NOT because of the Joker. Outside of Killing Joke, I'm NOT a fan of the Joker. Or rather, I wasn't until Nolan's vision and Ledger's iconic rendition. So yeah, despite your sarcasm, there has to be SOMETHING to that.<p><p>-Cheers
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Everyone on this bloody talkback is writing their own film, suggesting casting decisions, even lines of dialogue for the CLOSING SECONDS of a film that is being made by a HIGHLY TALENTED GROUP OF FILM-MAKERS who can manage fine on their own! Come on, guys, isn't the fun of going to see one of these movies getting to sit back and watch it unfurl without having to dictate exactly what it is by commitee first? I'm glad that I have no say on who becomes the next villain, it's better than acting like the editor and suggesting my own pitch! End of the day, this film will be good, and all of this fantasizing about what it should be is just us all wishing we were in their shoes, but we're not, and so why torture yourself?
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what do you think this site is all about? it's amusing, take it easy man.
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I have been a masive Joker fan since I was a kid and Ledger is and will always be the Joker. I liked Jack, I even liked Ceaser Romero but Ledger captured the Joker better than anyone. Jack was good but they changed too much of his backstory in the movie and he was more of a mobster. Ledger like Brandon Lee will be most famous for the role they died playing and like The Crow, look what happened when they re-cast that role.
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Best. Villian. Ever. And Lance Bass for Robin, because a gay Robin would get the Oscar nod for sure.
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Dear Mr. Nolan, You do realize that you are solely responsible for the salvation of Selina Kyle from the evil clutches of that GODAWFUL Pitof shitstorm, don't you? Just keep that in mind.
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Unless it was all a total lie, the cast & crew seemed very effected by Ledger and really seemed to love the guy. This doesn't get mentioned enough, but it'd be a constant reminder of the loss of their friend. I can't imagine many would willingly do that to themselves.<p><p>-Cheers
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drumble: Is this not what TALKBACKS are for?? True, speculation can and does get out of control, but this is what makes it fun. I still say TALIA should and WILL be in this movie (and perhaps a third act surprise/reprise of RA'S). Go ahead, combine elements of Catwoman with Talia, but at least ONE central nemesis is TALIA. Does Batman NEED a love interest? Perhaps not, but you can bet your Bender's Shiny Ass that any $200 mil. blockbuster from Warner Bros. WILL feature a LOVE INTEREST, whether you like it or not. It's simple broad appeal economics. Nolan wants to "END HIS STORY" -- to me, that can only equal involving Talia and/or Ra's again in some capacity. And whether people like it or not (and whether it's right or not), it sure sounds like Nolan will NOT be recasting JOKER (a reprise via a piece of dialogue, reference to, or photograph of, is possible, I assume). Try working for a year on a production with someone who delivers what is considered by many to be an Oscar-caliber performance, and losing him just before the movie's release -- and see how you feel. See if you can work up the interest to reprise and "recast" the actor/character just a couple of years later. You guys should be happy -- it's a miracle that Nolan even WANTS to be involved with a third film -- if Ledger had died ON SET, you can bet that Nolan very likely might NOT be back at all.
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I think the rumble surrounding the nix of "Justice League" a few years ago was not completely due to economics, but my belief is that Nolan just *might* have had a hand in that, not just because of the use of Batman...but because the film was going to use TALIA as a nemesis as well...and I think Nolan/Goyer have (had) something up their sleeve regarding this character for the third film -- "Justice League" would have spoiled that.
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I know a lot of people have mentioned Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Not really a fan. I'd love to see James Gandolfini as the the Penguin - part of Gotham's aristocracy but with dealings with the city's dark underbelly. Maybe into russian prostitutes/sex ring (Eastern Promises - like) where he runs into Catwoman.
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if played by a really good actress. I nominate Tilda Swinton or a Cate Blanchett. Just keep them out of a corny suit. Who said the villians have to dressed in exotic costumes like their comic book counterparts?
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+1 vote from me
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Boy, do they suck now. Don't think I could ever sit thru those again.
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But the first and third are okay.
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A great Nolan twist. Batman's trusted butler is really the cunning Edward Nygma. He was actually the guy pulling the Joker's strings. Batman goes batshit, breaks his one rule(kills Alfred/Edward), and hires a new servant(madcap Shia LeBeouf as Dick Grayson).
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the dude was sent from heaven to save us from mediocrity!!
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Watched it recently. Being over 20 years old, the movie has a nostalgia factor going for it. I can still remember how awesome it was in 1989 for Batman to be the biggest craze. Everyone had a Batman t-shirt, and there was merchandise galore. Batmania ruled the nation. It was a great feeling for a Batman nut like me. The movie itself needs a better script, but there are lots of good lines of dialogue, and Nicholson had at least two great scenes("You can call me...Joker!" and "I'm glad you're dead!")before he started dancing around and phoning it in. Keaton is a surprisingly good Batman, even now. Great music. Nolan's stuff is definitive, but there is still fun to be had in Burton's work.
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TDK wasnt truely comic book hero in its nature.
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Another great score by Elfman. Amazing cinematography. Four great performances. Michelle Pfeiffer's ass. Again, the script is the weak link, and that's where Nolan has come to the rescue, creating the stories that the best comic book hero deserves.
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And Michael Keaton gave me a high five when he came out of his limo and started high fiving everyone. It was effing awesome.
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I remember seeing Keaton high fiving everyone on Entertainment Tonight. It was very cool. Must have been an incredible moment for you!
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Oh it was fantastic. We saw so many people. Even Jack Nicholson. Also many other people like Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy. It was awesome. Even Bob Kane was there. Tim Burton was also there.
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until Nolan was onboard
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ET, Today and Good Morning America turned into the Batman show for about 10 days before the movie came out. I remember seeing Bob Kane, Nicholson and Burton; also, Kim Basinger in a see through black outfit that was really hot. Did you get to see the movie that night, too? Would have been an incredible experience.
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They had ropes set off so fans could come and watch. The movie was by invitation only. Kim Basinger did look really hot. Jack Palance was even there. It was amazing. On the Batman DVD there's a segment on the premiere, and when the camera goes by the crowd you can actually see me on there standing, lol.
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As the Riddler, please.
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The accountant who puzzled out that Bruce was Batman made it out alive (as far as we know) and while he may now feel indebted to Bruce, it would be odd if nobody approached him again for the info he claimed to have.
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No, I fucking well was not paying for the fucking Joker in The Dark Knight nor in Burton's Batman. I was paying to see a fucking Batman movie both times, because I'm interested in the character known as "Batman". That's what puts my ass in the theater seat. I'm actually glad there will be no Joker in the next installment because they already did a whole fucking movie about Batman vs. Joker, and Tim Burton did a whole fucking movie about Batman vs. Joker, and I'm not going to pay to see a fucking rematch. That would NOT put my ass in the theater seat.
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bruce wayne likes it doggystyle
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If you ever listened to Burton's commentary on the BATMAN DVD, he talks about how Palance didn't like to be directed. When Burton would say "come out of the door this way", Palance would answer "I've been in 100 features, boy. How many features have you made?" I'm glad he went to the premiere, he was great in the movie.
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and my god what a horrible thing that was, how could someone fuck up so badly.
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Palin vs teh bat vs BP. No matter who wins, we win............
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anyone saw it? did you like it?
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Lol, yeah, I always listen to commentaries, Jack Palance has been in so many great movies.
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Has to be the PENGUIN. Maybe Phillip Seymour Hoffman but GANDOFINI/TARANTINO as the KINGPIN PENGUIN would be unreal....
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JOHNNY DEPP as the riddler would be sweat or TARANTINO
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Lord Bale..I mean Bruce Wayne...distraught over the death of his true love drowns his sorrows in drink and debauchery...becoming the asshole playboy he plays to the public.</p><p>He begins dating escorts....ladies of the night, and as would happen falls for a Fresh looking, adorable girl only a year in Gotham. Bruce MUST try to save THIS girl since he could not save Rachael...his issues of loss and of ultimately being unable to save the ones he loves surfacing in his blind behaviors towards her </p><p>In the meantime men begin dying during what are otherwise simple burglaries...murdered in strange, S&M-ish ways...tortured, mutilated...hundreds in the last year...the only calling card, a golden feline claw....just like the one on the necklace Bruces new Love/Escort wears.</p><p>Sasha Grey or Tori Black would be great for the minimalist talking role..and Lord Bale as always would deliver yet another stunning performance.
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I am not a fan of his movies, but I can see how someone would like him as a director. As an actor?!? Seriously, I must question what drugs you have recently ingested to want him in front of a camera. Might as well get Eli Roth in there too.<BR><BR>And BurnHollywood, I did not go to the movie to see the Joker either. I loved Batman Begins and wanted to see the next chapter of it. Plus, do you really think that your average non-comic reader is going to say, "Oooh! They have the Riddler! I'm going to pay money for that!" Most non-comic readers just think of him as a lame guy in a green suit with question marks all over it. The Riddler is not going to get people excited for the film. They're going to see a Batman movie.
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or maybe she could play clayface?
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the audio performances of Ledgers never released The Dark Knight video game based off the movie. I thought they might have used some of that stuff for the next film.
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Pengy could work in a supporting or more minor role, as the more modern interpretation of the crooked nightclub operator/fence/underworld figure, and not as a costumed supervillain. Just have him be someone we see, not a huge plot point. Like others I am pretty well Catwomaned out. I could use a break. If you want a hot chick factor, with possibly some dirt from his past, how about... Shiva?!
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He said he wasn't comfortable talking about it. I think it meant the Joker wasn't necessarily in the movie, perhaps he just didn't want to discuss the plot/characters for TDK sequel??
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...should be the 'villain'. It's set up that way at the end of TDK. The film could have Batman struggling with retaining his heroic qualities in the face of persecution by those who he tries to protect and stopping himself from letting his fearsome image overtake him, making him truly villainous. Since the cops can't catch him (and Gordon is secretly helping him), open door for a police rival to Gordon (perhaps Penguin character could be incorporated here) to hire an assassin/assassins to capture the Bat (Catwoman? Bane? Anyone could be chucked in here). The movie would be essentially the hunt for Batman, who in the end redeems himself by exposing Penguin's true designs for control of Gotham via the elimination of Batman. It would be a pursuit movie, fast paced, with Batman as the target. Then they need to get a new director, new Batman, and reimagine it again. I wanna see some 'Batman Animated' type movies, full blown over the top action, where you can have Batman fighting Croc and Man-Bat and the crazier villains. Not as gothic as Burton's, not as ridiculous as Schumaker's, not as 'real' as Nolan's. Like a live action 'Batman Animated'.
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...anyone who criticizes Penguin is fucking dead to me! The most underestimated and best Batman foe out there. How can you be a Batman fan and not like the Penguin? <P> And Catwoman is pretty awesome too. Instead of reading their modern interpretations go back and look at them through the history of the Batman comic. They are just as interesting as Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, etc. up until the f'ing 80s on (when crappy writers took over who couldn't deal with characters who weren't obvious). <P> And I Miller's version of Catwoman as one of the worst versions of her (hey, she is a hooker - great way to just reduce her to a fetish).
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The Riddler role is for someone younger. Malkovich is too old in my opinion. I don't even want Johnny Depp as the Riddler either. My pick for the Riddler would be Woody Harrelson.
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"Who do you think made the last movie a giant hit, Nolan.....You????" I guess he's a little responsible for the success of The dark knight, dumbass. You know, he directed it and cowrote it, dumbass. And, wow, maybe he actually wants to direct the best movie possible, and not just make the more $$$$$ possible.
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She is supposedly one of the best fighters in the DC universe, and we haven't really seen Bruce be tested physically ONE ON ONE, and I'm admittedly byassed because she's female but I think she makes more sense in a Nolan fliq imo than catwoman.
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Seriously, if done right you transition 2 to 3 from master anarchist, to master planner. Could be very cool.
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If Catwoman is picked, I'd say Angelina should get the role. Many of you would disagree with me, but if you think about it, her fat lips would be perfect for the Catwoman mask and costume. Plus, she has that sexy speaking voice. Angie would make a great Catwoman, in my opinion.
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Oops that's Spider-Man.
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is their bad qualities are in simple opposition with the 'good guy' and are meant to entice the good guy toward badness. Which is simplistic to say the least... the story becomes a morality play for children, rather than the complex, nuanced character study we as adults should be treated to... or something.
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Well, yeah, I KNOW you guys would be there for the next Batman, even if they brought back Schumacher to direct and made the villain Crazy Quilt...<p> Problem is, I know how Hollywood studio execs think, and it boils down to, "If we made a billion off of TDK, we can make a billion off of the next one." They don't just say that, mind you...they actually instruct their teams of accountants to *expect* that return, and work it into their annual forecasts. And as much a maverick as Nolan is, he still has to toe the line at some level...witness how MGM jilted Del Toro on THE HOBBIT, if you need precedent for how a studio can even dick a heavy-hitter around.<p> So...expect the expected. But the beauty of Nolan's approach is how he's radically redefined familiar characters...even the comic Batman can't just go back to the same old Joker anymore.
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suit out of any of the movies.
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Bald...eyepatch...why not?
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So at least he could stop being blue...
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True. One problem with Nolan's approach is that he went with that technofetishy Batsuit, which forgets that The Batman is, at some level, operating on a criminal's primal fear.
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As long as she has the same hair she had in Scooby-Doo.
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Nu pa russki?
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I think that's bullshit. Heath Ledger did a great job but it wasn't so damn good that it couldn't be replicated. It wasn't so good that nobody else should ever get to touch the character. I guess I can understand the concept of "too soon" but for fucks sake get over the Heath Ledger obsession.
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I like the 89 batsuit but the extra points at the bottom middle of the bat emblem always threw me off, so i end up liking the batman returns one better....and I like The Dark Knight suit because he can turn his head but I hate the chest because the bat emblem is split.
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June 6, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST
Riddler as a deranged serial killer taunting the authorities...
by beefywhore
ala "Jack the Ripper" or "Zodiac" with riddles about where he will choose his next victim and so forth...Or Penguin asa badass Arms Dealer...nothing cartoony. Paul Giamatti as Penguin... Adrian Brody or Viggo Mortensen as Riddler.
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He is one crazy freaky dude.
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I think that dude looks like a wife beater.
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The original, not the cop guy who's out right now
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Do you ever get any scoops of your own? Geez
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Pitof is the best director around
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Yeah, you're on the right track. Nolan & Co.'s take on the Joker (as opposed to the histrionics of Burton's movie Joker) was part nihilistic, part pushing the boundaries of collective urban fear. Nicholson's Joker was about avenging Batman's disfigurement of him. Ledger's Joker was about teaching the people of Gotham a lesson in fear, and crime gone completely awry. There is a HUGE chasm between the two.
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But thank, all, for the funniest, shittiest collection of Batman ideas this side of the 90s!
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The villain should be "The Riddler" for Batman 3... I also liked the pic some fan did awhile back... <br> <br> http://i35.tinypic.com/16hui2o.jpg <br> The Riddler should be like the Zodiac killer... utilizing cryptograms... puzzles, etc. Calendar Man would be my second choice.
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...In fact, he still lives with his mom:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwAP3wuIG2A
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I had a similar notion about The Riddler earlier, but I'm glad someone else sees it my way. Great idea about The Penguin, too.
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Depending on the villain... Ben Foster, Viggo M., Johnny Depp, Guy Pearce, Joe Anderson, Sam Riley, .etc <br> <br> If they go with Catwoman... I wish they'd kind of go with Miller's back story of her being a prostitute, etc. I'd like someone like Noomi Rapace from "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."
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A darker... more disturbed Catwoman... not the typical big tits pure eye candy actor in the role.
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They hit it off pretty well, and that's a damn good thing, 'cause ever since he lost Rachel and has become a pariah living way out in his newly renovated and super awesome mansion with new and improved giganto Batcave, he's really been slipping away; becoming more and more Batman, less and less Bruce... how fortunate, then, that he meets Selena at such a time in his life; she's gorgeous, worldly, intelligent, clearly athletic... she's just the woman to fill the gaping hole left in his heart by Rachel's loss! Little does he know, of course, that she's also a costume fetishist, and has come to the party as a cat burglar, not a patron of the arts. But, is she *really* a villain, or someone more morally ambiguous? Technically, they both operate on the other side of the law... and in addition to stealing priceless artworks, she helps orphans too! Maybe there's more to this cat... woman than meets the eye? <br><br>I'll leave you to fill in the rest of this script that just wrote itself.
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June 6, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST
Bruce goes downstairs to grab a bottle of wine
by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET
and catches her prying open his collection of rare and expensive wine. She tries to play it off by bending over and shaking her ass in his face and saying "now where the fuck did my contact lens go, its not here?" Queue the sexy soul music with saxaphone. Bruce walks up and grabs her ass, "maybe you left it in my bedroom, we should look there instead" Catwoman then grabs a bottle of wine and swiftly breaks it and tries to lunge the sharp glass into his carotid artery, but he ducks and nails her in the kidney with a sharp elbow punch. Catwoman notices that he now has a full erection and says "Meow!", does a backflip and kicks him in the face with her high heals, blood trickles down his forehead. She licks his forehead and smiles mischieviously, "maybe next time I'll get a taste of the white colored bat fluid"
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There's no way a guy called Edward Nygma will show up in the new batman flick. That's just a horrible name for a character...
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June 6, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST
Catwoman done right - go fuck yourself - done right
by Professor_Monster
I can't stand the "done right" assholes. What they mean is "different" than the way it was done previous. Different is not always better. I want Catwoman is be played by a real whore - I mean a cocksucker with an award
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I know everyone is expecting Catwoman to be all hot and sexy, but if you carefully know Chris Nolan's vision of storytelling, I don't think he will make Catwoman hot and sexy. Catwoman with a sexy costume and big breasts, and all. I don't think Nolan will go for that. He will make Catwoman scary and ugly looking. The way she's supposed to be.
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Mostly agree, but there's not a chance the actress cast will be "ugly". My idea is that the reason (the *only* reason) she's called "Catwoman" is because she's an expert cat burglar. She doesn't wear some skintight outfit, she actually looks more like the female equivalent of a Special Ops on a night mission. No ears, no meowing, none of that shit. Like the female equivalent of this guy: http://tinyurl.com/276x9dv <p> Oh, and I like the idea of her being MILF-aged (i.e. experienced, older woman) so I'm nominating Carla Gugino. Ooh, mama.