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A Few More Tidbits On Norrington's CROW Redux...
Merrick here...
Director Stephen Norrington and Producer Edward R. Pressman are hard at work prepping their long-gestitating remake of THE CROW. To their credit, sounds like they're going for a markedly different interpretation of James O'Barr's source material (HERE
) than we saw in Alex proyas' 1994 adaptation.
"The setting is the southwest — the Mexico/Arizona area — and an urban [setting], Detroit or Pittsburgh or something like that," he described. "There are two locations that the film is set. Its initial platform is in the southwest and then it moves to the big city in the north, middle or eastern America, and then back."
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"The Crow itself is a creature in this movie — it's not just a bird," said the producer. "It's got a personality and a character. Not like Godzilla exactly, but it's very different [and has] a more active role in the story."
...says Pressman HERE.
Mexico/Arizona area. Wondering if "The Crow" entity/creature/whatever will somehow be tied into supernatural (Native American?) spiritual stuff? Hope not...thought it was a more powerful concept when left ambiguous. I don't know the comic source material terribly well - is The Crow's origin ever clearly explained or justified in the book?
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Fuck it in the face.
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fuck crows, its all about pigeons
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"The Crow is a creature in this one"... Excuse me?! What was it in the original - a shoe?!<p> "Not like Godzilla, exactly.." - I should hope it's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like Godzilla; seriously, what the fuck have these people been sniffing?!
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i hope they dont put the crow itself in every scene and make it an annoying creature/sidekick.
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I would pay to see that, actually. Crazed Day Laborer vs. Emo Superwraith <br> <br> FIGHT!
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I never read any of the spinoffs or sequels, but in J O'Barr's original, it's very close to what Proyas and Lee did. The crow itself is explained just as the girl did in the film, that sometimes, when you die in such a tragic fashion, a crow carries your soul back to help you finish any unresolved business before you move on. In the original, there wasn't anything in the southwest. <p>I do wonder, if they're changing it up, what are they adding? As I said, the Proyas version followed pretty closely to the original story, which O'Barr wrote to get out his emotions upon losing his girlfriend/wife (?) tragically (I think it was a car wreck if I remember correctly). He never expected it to take off the way it did. <p>On a side note, though I never read any of the comic sequels, I do remember they made one with a female Crow, and I always thought that could be badass on the screen if she went all Uma in Kill Bill kind of crazy revenge.
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was goth, not emo...geez!
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I don't know about the description of it as a "creature" the word seems a bit off but in the book the crow itself is described as such <br><br> "The Crow acts as both guide and goad for Eric, giving him information that helps him in his quest but also chastising him for dwelling on Shelly's death, seeing his pining as useless self-indulgence that distracts him from his purpose."
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...creator's fiancee. The creator of "The Crow" wrote the comic book as a way to deal with her death and make some cathartic sense of it, as best he could. In a way, he is the young man, our hero who has suffered the loss of a loved one. If they change "The Crow", then they will be changing its true meaning with respect to this real life tragedy. I believe the fiancee died in a accident? I just looked it up to confirm it, she was his girlfriend and died as a victim of a drunk driver.
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sounds like 'Journey to Ixtlan' to me; more folkloric, and less gritty violence. Not a bad approach. The worst thing to do is to repeat 1994, 1996, or God-help-us the 1998 Fox TV show.
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Norrington has a good eye for action and is a competent director. I don't blame him solely for LXG, though, as that movie had a variety of problems. <p><p>I liked Proyas' "Crow", but there's definitely room for improvement. Would be cool if this was the Batman Begins of this franchise (God knows it needs it)
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WTF does that mean?
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Just reading that it sounds pretty bad. Maybe they just stop w/ The Crow flicks. The first was the best, and it won't get any better than that (as proof by all the shit sequels).
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Sean Connery retired from acting. Fuck Norrington! - unless he actually makes a good Crow film. However, I get the feeling the best he can do is make one that makes Crow: City of Angels look like a good Crow flick (and it most certainly wasn't - had it's moments but went all to hell with Law and Order dude trying to steal Crow power and then getting killed by a thousand crappy CG crow-like things. Awful, awful death of a franchise (that sadly lingered on in two more shitty movies and a TV show).
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Brandon Lee is the Crow in most of our minds. They made a few pathetic attempts to replace him and failed. I don't see any point in trying to recreate the magic of the original. It just can't be done.
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the original Crow on blu ray?!?!? Motherfucker, it's the only Proyas movie not on blu. Get it friggin done!
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Ernie Reyes, Jr. for this? I still have some difficulty seeing how they might change the crow. Possibly make it so it keeps resurrecting a loser to die horribly again and again?
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That way he can get shot on set and die... unless that part won't be in the remake?
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That looks like a death's head Geisha. <br> Directed by Miike. <br> If only...
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I don't know the source material at all, so I don't know if she was in the original story, but DANG she brought the whole movie down a level. Any movie that resorts to too much cute kid action loses it's edge. Just rewatched the Proyas version, and thought it held up pretty good with that one exception.
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...And miles of charm to go along with it... but the man doesn't know his ankle from his anus. <p><p>He turned down the roles of Morpheus and Gandalf because he didn't know what to make of the scripts and didn't really understood the movies... thought they were a bad idea. Then he did LXG and wanted to hog most of the spotlight because he was the most recognizable star. <p><p>And Blade was fucking awesome.
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Super nice guy. This remake sounds terrible.
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Norrington did Blade. Yeah, it was good. Del Toro's Blade II was good, too. Whoever did Blade III should be shot in the nads and left out in the Texas sun to dry.
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Sounds like Proyas and Norrington are getting all duded up to rape my late-twenties. This one hurts. Personal level. Please stop.
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as Morpheus or Gandalf. Would have changed the entire feel of either series.
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James O'Barr is an American graphic artist, best known as the creator of the comic book series The Crow.<BR><BR> Personal life <BR><BR> O'Barr, an orphan, was raised in the foster care system.[1] He studied Renaissance sculpture, live models and photographic still lifes. <BR><BR> In the 1990s O'Barr was affiliated with the experimental metal band Trust Obey, which was signed briefly to Trent Reznor's Nothing label before the band was dropped. Trust Obey released the album Fear and Bullets: Music to Accompany The Crow in 1993. The album was packaged with a special edition of The Crow graphic novel. <BR><BR> As of the mid-2000s, O'Barr resides in Texas. <BR><BR> The Crow<BR><BR> In 1978, O'Barr's fiancée, Bethany, was killed by a drunk driver, and he joined the Marines in an effort to cope with the loss. He was stationed in Germany and illustrated combat manuals for the military. While living in Berlin in 1981, O'Barr began work on The Crow as a means of dealing with his personal tragedy.[2] O'Barr was further inspired by a Detroit newspaper account of the murder of a young couple over a $20 engagement ring.[3] After his discharge from the Marines, O'Barr continued his painting and illustration as well as doing lots of odd jobs, including working for a Detroit body shop. The Crow sat on a shelf for seven years, but at last someone wanted to publish it: Gary Reed of Caliber Press. In The Crow, the protagonist and his fiancée are murdered by a gang of criminals. He then returns from the dead to hunt their killers. <BR><BR> O'Barr's own hope that his project would result in a personal catharsis went unfulfilled, he told an interviewer in 1994, saying, "[A]s I drew each page, it made me more self-destructive, if anything....There is pure anger on each page".[4] The Crow has sold more than 750,000 copies worldwide.[5] <BR><BR> The book was adapted into a successful film of the same name in 1994, but it resulted in further tragedy. Brandon Lee, who played the main character, was accidentally shot and killed during filming,[6] survived by his then-fiancee Eliza Hutton.
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whatever, just give up now
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In the first one? I recall him being involved, and getting very close with Brandon Lee (and very broken up about Brandon dying on-set).<p><p>I have been told (correct if I'm misinformed) that the Crow talked and was a bit of a smartass in the comics.<p><p>Part of me doesn't care, as the original was great when I saw it. Part of me thinks it could be fine as a remake because, well, honestly some of the acting in the original Crow doesn't hold up terribly well. If there is a great movie to be made that draws some different elements from the comic, then more power to them.<p><p>However, the original was a powerful take on tragedy and loss, beautiful iconic visuals, a great story, and despite my comments of some of the acting Brandon Lee and Ernie Hudson and even Rochelle Davis had a great rapport. It seemed to capture the heart of what I'd imagine it would be like to lose the love of your life and have a chance to avenge things, or somehow come to grips with it (albeit in a supernatural setting). My overall impact of the movie still seems greater than the sum of its parts. That said, with the right people and right direction, it could work.<p><p>-Cheers
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The original was near perfection. This new one won't have near the style or coolness of Proyas version.
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He's played the wise old man before. <p><p>But I have no idea why they offered him Morpheus. Just thinking of that fight between Neo and Morpheus in the VR dojo... it seems so silly.
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Leave it as-is! The original Crow movie with Brandon Lee was perfect.. Even for today!.. <P>Leave it alone! Make another one, but don't use the same character names. <P>And what's up with the Bird won't be like Godzilla??!?!? WTF ! I hope so! They'll make him more like what, King Kong!?!? it's a freaking bird!<P>Love dthe original, testimony to Lee's character and essence. Would've sent him off to superstardom. Leave his memory alone douchebags!<P>Make Crow #4 with a budget and a good casting.. But don't try to name this shit a "remake"..
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becuase of proyas's vision and brandon and that "accident" that claimed his life.
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Why remake a classic?
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I nearly sprayed coffee on my monitor when the article mentioned Godzilla... What the motherFUCK?!?!?! Why in the bluest of royal blue fucks should we have to be assured that the bird in this movie will NOT be like Godzilla? The whole article read like some kind of coked out concept pitch. It'll be better to think of it as one of the many DTV sequels instead of a reboot/make/imagining. Actually... come to think of it.... the only thing that might get me to see this would be a giant Godzilla-sized crow rampaging through Detroit.
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The Crow curse and all.
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That makes sense. In the comic, it can apparently talk to the reborn and guide them. That would be a different angle. They could do that pretty well and have it work, and it would fit in with that description. I think some of you are getting too wound up about that aspect. They're saying it will be a "creature" (which, you know, fits for a talking bird of mystical powers that brings you back from the dead) that will have a personality (I'm fine with that), do more than just fly around and occasionally target people's eyes (no problem there), and NOT be like Godzilla (so it's going to have a personality, intelligence, and purpose as a guide, and not going to be a monster flying around and attacking destroying stuff or just used as the reborn guy's attack-bird?!!! Great!!!!). And they don't have to explain it away, the bird just IS. But they could probably do more with it than have it as scenery.<p><p>Really, the more I hear about it and think about it, the less of a problem I have with it. More power to them!<p><p>-Cheers
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I wear white makeup and black lipstick. Ooh look at me, I'm dark. Emo and Goth are equally pathetic.
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June 2, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST
I Hope O'Barr Gets Paid, But Otherwise, This Sounds RETARDED
by LaserPants
Why... do... they... keep... doing... this?
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Another fucking remake why the crow is a fucking bad ass movie....this just sounds.........awful
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I'll have to remember that the next time I'm asked to describe something, e.g. "How was your coffee?"... "Quite strong, though not like Godzilla exactly."
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I can tell.
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sequels or the amount of them are killing cinema and people are getting bored of sequels to the where they people are staying away in droves this is leading to a slump in cinema audiences. one hopes that hollywood will heed this actually get people to write quality scripts. one sequel per summer should do it combine this properly written films and that could be they way to save the film business. if hollywood tightens up on leakers, goes back to the way posters are designed like alien, do trailers like jurassic park, drop clips and spots. and you will get people back into cinema. oh and drop the nonsens about the dvd releases. you will get people back into cinemas. internet film sites no too much about films before they go in. i exclude dark horizons. garth knows how to write unlike a certain texan that we know.
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its a remake..or even a reboot. a redux would mean the original is being "brought back" as in a re-release...like apocalypse now.
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for all it has in common! How about a Skull Cowboy spin-off
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"Wicked Prayer" was the fourth Crow film, and it was truly awful. Made the crappy third film look good. <p> The original is one of my favorite movies of all time, and doesn't need to be updated in my opinion. <p> On a side note, O'Barr turns up a lot at the comic/sci-fi conventions in Texas. He's a really nice guy. Drew an awesome sketch of Eric Draven inside my copy of the Crow graphic novel.
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Tag line "Not like Godzilla exactly".
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Here's another example of another unwanted remake.. god I'm sick of them. The Crow is already a quality movie so why the fuck remake it. Grow a pair of fuckin balls Hollywood and start coming up with new material or the "cinema" as we all used to know and love will die forever
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Honestly, its not so much the how as it is the why. There was so much tragedy surrounding the original film/comic that if this film isnt good it will just end up putting salt in the wounds of OBarr and others. It could far surpass any shitty remake just because of the fact this original series was made to honor those whose deaths were not avenged. Plus, it doesnt sound like they know what the fuck theyre talking about. All I can say is they have alot riding on this film.
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Honestly, its not so much the how as it is the why. There was so much tragedy surrounding the original film/comic that if this film isnt good it will just end up putting salt in the wounds of OBarr and others. It could far surpass any shitty remake just because of the fact this original series was made to honor those whose deaths were not avenged. Plus, it doesnt sound like they know what the fuck theyre talking about. All I can say is they have alot riding on this film.
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Honestly, its not so much the how as it is the why. There was so much tragedy surrounding the original film/comic that if this film isnt good it will just end up putting salt in the wounds of OBarr and others. It could far surpass any shitty remake just because of the fact this original series was made to honor those whose deaths were not avenged. Plus, it doesnt sound like they know what the fuck theyre talking about. All I can say is they have alot riding on this film.
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The original Crow was perfect. The absolute best way any Crow movie could turn out, from the lead, to the bad guys, the visual style, the soundtrack, the action. Attempting a sequel, prequel, or remake of the Crow only serves to embarrass you as a filmmaker.
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emeraldboy; interesting sentiment. I'm inclined to agree. Constantly remaking movies, or sequels, or "reboots", not to mention telling us the whole movie in reviews, posters, & trailers kills my motivation to go to the cinema. If I already know the story going in, why bother?<p><p>cheekythirtysix; I'm more-or-less inclined to agree with you as well. I don't think this is really necessary. I generally hate remakes. However two things. First, I don't see Hollywood growing a pair any time, well, maybe ever! Second, despite that, I don't have the same problem as others seem to with regard to the "creature" comments of the bird (although, the Godzilla comparison was cringe-worthy). They're going to do it regardless, I suppose, so if they are and they can draw something from the source material that's interesting and missing from the first. then go for it. Still, the first one was fine as it was, it's risky to remake such an iconic and obviously loved movie that's going to be so soundly scrutinized.<p><p>Regardless, they're going to cram a Crow remake down our throats, likely to try and resurrect the franchise and milk it. If so, they might as well do SOMETHING different. Including elements of the bird's nature that are in the comic (and faithful to the source material) but not in the 1994 movie is not the worst thing. Of course, we'll see if that's what we get, but the "not like Godzilla, exactly" line, while stupid, doesn't set me off (the line itself, nor what I believe they're implying).<p><p>-Cheers
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to help illegal immigrants cross the border I'm heading to Hollywood with a pitchfork and a flaming torch.
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Maybe this will be the movie that ojcne and for all will sunk this Norrington guy out of the movie business once and for all. It's incredible this guy, this hack, is strill getting brownie point just because of ONE FUCKING SCENE in one single movie made more then 10 years ago. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! Meanwhile, some worthy filmmaker is having trouble even making his first movie, because fucking hacks are robbing his chances. Fuck this shit, and fuck Norrington. Will somebody bring Sean Connery back to bitchslap this punkass again?
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the internet on my phone effed up
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A Crow movie directed by Takashi Miike? That would be the pure awesomeness. The movie would be so bugnuts it would be sublime. And he can do action too.
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Don't forget the duialogues. THE CROW is full of pearls of dialogue and oneliners.
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..Blade?!? Ouch!
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the wachowski's originally wanted will smith for Neo, i belive he turned them down because MiB2 was already into production, but seriously imagine the matrix with sean connery and will smith, it would have been all "hell naws" and "you the man now dog"
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This synopsis sounds confused and awful. They should do themselves a favor and drop the name "Eric Draven" for the character (unless they already have), this is going to be a mess. I love the first movie. It has its flaws I'll admit, but Brandon Lee was absolutely electrifying in that movie. He brought a mixture of bad ass and tragedy to the performance that just elevated the must mundane line of dialogue ("I thought I'd use your front door.") to something really moving.
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I think BLADE ahs soem nice mements of comedy. But otherwise,what a waste of my time. and the least said about the final fight between Blade and the mega-version of the villan, the better. So, really, fuck BLADE. BLADE 2 is such an improvement on all levels it's not even funny. Fuck that assclown Norrington.
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No thank you. I take it as it is, thank you very much. Truly, it was for the best.
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Our friend T-bird won't be joining us this evening on account of a slight case of death - my fav
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Just based on reading what their plans are so far, this is going to be some native american spiritual bullshit going on, you know it will be. You know, the kind of movie where every time an Indian speaks the wind blows through his hair like he's all in tune with nature and shit. FAIL.
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"is that gasoline I smell?"
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Fire it up! fire it up! fire it up!
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the original is MILES ahead in content and effecive delivery than any modern day thriller, its miles ahead of anything anyone can do now, the remake can be nothing but a failure next to it. Fuck off and leave Brandon's legacy in peace!
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hands the shopkeeper 4 nails and says, "Can you put me up for the night?"
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Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children. Do you understand? Morphine is bad for you. Your daughter is out there on the streets waiting for you.
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The only way to keep The Crow fresh is to make it a woman. Iris Fucking Shaw! The Crow: Flesh and Blood! Ah fuck you people who have to remake the same story over and over when it was perfect the first time. Now you're blending it with Wicked Prayer???
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did such a wonderful job in that movie conveying the devastaing pain he was going thru. when he was talking to Earnie Hudson and found out that Earnie had been there the whole time...what an emotional scene..it brought trears to my eyes. Non of the other crows had the emotional impact of the original and Lee was just absolutly brilliant. I really dont have high hopes for this new take on the series.
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i'm dead...and i move!
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Eric Draven: Suddenly I heard a tapping, as of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. Gideon: What are you talking about? Eric Draven: You heard me rapping, right?
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I could do these all day with ya
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it was just a brilliant piece of movie making and i was never really into the goth aspect but i think that it fikt the movie perfectly.
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Just imagine if Herzog did this with Joseph Gordon Levitt as the Crow...
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since he told hollywood to fuck off a couple of years ago. more than a couple of years ago.
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godzilla kotcs and barbarella all mashed up i think
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DEATH MACHINE was fucking awesome, and the first BLADE remains the best of them all. The creation of the vampire underworld, politics, religion and all, was masterfully done, and the action in that movie wasn't remotely done that well again in either sequel. I liked BLADE II - had its moments - but compared to BLADE? Nowhere near as good. BLADE was the real deal: a decent fucking vampire action movie. Let's all forget that the Ryan Reynolds - David S Goyer Fuckfest ever existed.<P> It was Connery who fucked up LXG, by thinking he actualy fucking understood ANYTHING about writing or directing, and used his leverage as the icon he is to get the upper hand over the vastly more creative and imaginative Norrington in cahoots with the studio. This movie is the main reason why Don Murphy is a fucking twunt. And it proves that "actors" like Connery - who played a fucking Scotsman in everything because he's so fucking limited at acting he can't even change his FUCKING ACCENT (which means as an actor he's outclassed by that piece of plywood Ewan McGregor) - should SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JUST RECITE THE LINES WHILE NOT BUMPING INTO THE FUCKING FURNITURE.<p> Trust me, with shit like THE AVENGERS in his later CV, and all the classic role done and dusted decades ago, Connery beating Norrington over LXG only hastened the end of a far more fucking entertaining career from Steve Norrington. If I had to choose between yet another fucking Scottish whoever by Connery or a movie like BLADE or DEATH MACHINE, I know which I'd choose. And it ain't the guy who thinks a Spaniard who lived in Japan for decades still sounds like a fucking Scotsman.<P> Connery is vastly over-rated as an actor. Norrington is vastly UNDER-rated as a director. So... Fuck Sir Sean.<P> And fuck this Crow reboot, too. O'Barr must be out of his mind to let this shit happen, and FUCK Edward Pressman with the still-twitching corpse of Edward Furlong's career for even THINKING of a reboot in the Southwest with a fucking Crow-creature that ain't exactly Godzilla. Fuck, it couldn't sound worse if Platinum Dunes were making it with Bayhem producing and Bayer doing the fucking visuals...<P> THE ORIGINAL IS FUCKING SACROSANCT. LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE, YOU WILL ONLY LOOK MORE STUPID, YOU DUMB COKE-ADDLED FUCKS!
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Lemure_v2, you're a stone-cold genius. You'll NEVER get a job in Hollywood being THAT smart.
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if its just a different story in a different setting with different characters than its just another sequel. as for the bird, in the comics it wasn't even real. it was simply his concsience talking to him sorta deal. its the first movie that introduced the idea of a physical bird guiding him around. and that worked just fine and dandy, even in the lame sequels so they should really leave that alone.
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hopefully this will mean a blu-ray release of the original. although considering how low budget and grainy it was to begin with i'm not sure it'll lool AMAZINGLY better but maybe least get some cool extras finally.
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They got the starring roles because their fathers were famous. Same for Charlie Sheen and all the idiots we worship.
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...never watched any of the sequels and never read the comic books. For some reason they just appeal to me back then. And I've never given them a chance since.
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Brandon Lee was a better ACTOR than his father, though not a better martial artist - and this is why he is so revered in THE CROW.<P> Can we honestly say Michael Douglas wasn't any good in THE GAME, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, BASIC INSTINCT, FATAL ATTRACTION, THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS, FALLING DOWN and THE WONDER BOYS because he's Kirk Douglas' son?<P> Talent ain't always genetic. But if you're a great actor, you're a great actor - and I think the shitty actors getting roles on family ties are definitely in the minority...
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JGL in GIJoe... uber Moriarity/Evil Herc type of fail
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he's getting roles because his dad is either starring in or producing the movies. thats even worse lol
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um... the joy division, cure, and big black lyrics used as graffiti weren't explained/justified gratuitously either, but... the crow made the world in various indigenous mythologies... mashed into huginn/muginn crows on Odin's shoulder for the wounded/maimed/vengeful aspects and voila! yeah um... eric wants to lay down and be dead, so the crow continuosly fucks with him to make him kill for revenge. That is in the books.
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Godzilla shows up in that dark-ass city from the original. Swings his tail into the apartment building just as Eric is about to propose. He and Shelly are crushed under rubble. The Crow revives Eric and he steals the Super-X to begin a rampage of revenge, shooting cadmium missiles while strumming his guitar and looking sad. "It's a bad day to be a giant reptilian nuclear aberration." But Godzilla knocks that shit out of the sky. Fortunately, radiation from the Super-X's busted power core mutates The Crow itself until it is Rodan-sized. Then it caws with rage as it tries to peck out Godzilla's eyes. It picks his ass up and dumps him in the Atlantic, then doing a victory shimmy so we can see "it's more of a character." Eric dives under the water, touches Godzilla to share his pain, but Godzilla already knows the agony of being blasted by an H-bomb, so he promptly swallows Eric, then bursts from the water and blasts The Crow out of the sky with his atomic breath. Moody goth music plays as the leviathan turns and heads out to sea. What? That couldn't work?
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IMO Blade is considered a breakthrough Comic based film. Not only did it have intense action but also predated the Matrix with this little special effect called "Bullet Time"?!? and not to mention that it set the precedent for Marvel Comics Movies some good, some lackluster.Yes, Asi Blade 2 was better than the first (especially since I got to fug my date 2 hours after leaving the therater.Ah, memories.)there's no denying that, but I gotta give Stephen props for making a success from Marvel's official first Movie.Sorry, that shit that's called Howard the Duck does not register in my mind.
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I got it for a friend for Christmas. Ordered it from Amazon.co.uk.
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umm...THAT was random.
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I feel sorry for Brandon Lee, this movie was his to fulfill and now this bastards want to remake this, I see this shit failing as worse as gigli. I hope they stop this remake, enough is enough. "this is not a good day to be a bad guy" Rock On Brandon Lee" we miss you.
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never released in the U.S. Probably because Disney can't decide what to do with Miramax and they apparently refuse to let the Weinsteins take it back. In any case, how's the transfer? Good remaster or quick cash-in?
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"...Just call it my need to know..."<p> "Not a good day to be a bad guy" <p> "One of my crew got himself perished"<p> "...believe me, nothing is trivial"<p> "Let me tell you about murder. It's fun, it's easy, and you gonna learn all about it" <p> "...Childhood's over the moment you know you're gonna die."<p> "He died a year ago the moment he touched her. They're all dead. They just don't know it yet." <p>
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some early 20s actor, Crow is older hes in his late 20s early 30s; Ryan Gosling would be perfect for the role
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about a Batman/Punisher/Crow type character who dresses all in black and who lost a loved one and seeks revenge by killing criminals... and is EXACTLY like Godzilla. <br /> <br /> It's sort of like the old pulp magazine character The Avenger (who was the REAL "First Avenger", even before DC's Scarlet Avenger, who was DC's first costumed crime-fighter/superhero even before Superman or Batman, by the way) only with better shape changing abilities. <br /> <br /> Seriously, I was working at the Book Stop back when the first Crow comic book came out - huge instant cult hit. <br /> <br /> And now they're talking about making a REMAKE of the movie? <br /> <br /> I am getting so fucking old...
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Just make a new movie based off this concept and let it fail into obscurity.
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"I had that walkin against the wind shit..." Fuck this remake.
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The Crow movie was one of the elements that contributed to the rise of the Goth movement, but saying that a comic book character specifically based on a combination of Alice Cooper and David Bowie was "goth" is... not exactly correct. <br /> <br /> Morpheous from Sandman was based on Robert Smith from the Cure, though. I think. Or not. What...ever.<br /> <br /> Crow was a rock star whose girlfriend got killed. He sought revenge. It always pissed Bob at The Book Stop off whenever I'd tell customers that his origin was just like Batman or The Punisher. Except with a cooler haircut. But it's true. <br /> <br /> And when he was attacked and sent to the hospital, it was originally left ambiguous whether he healed or died and was resurrected, which actually made the comic more appealing to readers who would have rejected any supernatural elements beyond the symbolism of the Crow (bird). The Crow (character) did talk with the bird, but he also used massive amounts of drugs to ignore his pain, so there's no way to prove he wasn't just tripping is brains out when he was chatting with that bird. <br /> * * * * *<br /> Remind me to tell you the story of how Kitchen Sink didn't have enough merchandise to meet the demand for the first movie so they invested all their funds into Crow II merchandise and went out of business because of it. Oh wait, I did already tell you that story. See, I told you I was getting old.
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But not because of this emo stuff, so I don't give a fuck. Also, The Crow being some kind of creature....will be stupid me thinks.
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Should be the cry
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... is by being absolutely faithful to the comic (which is very different from the great Proyas film). That would be a new and appropriate way of approaching this film franchise. Otherwise, it seems to me like he's making nothing more than just another shitty direct-to-bargain-bin sequel.
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it would be suitably different to the Brandon Lee film and could work. I like Norrington as a director, its good to see him back.
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that a new version could hope to have the magic of the first CROW, would be to do a remake that actually followed o'barr's book. the brandon lee film is beautiful, almost perfect, but misses a great deal of the power and impact of the graphic novel simply by straying from the original piece. reproduce the comic on the screen, and you'll create something worth watching. otherwise it's just celuloid masturbation.
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Fuck it.
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...how he/it had to grow up in an awesome home environment, brutalized by a drunken, redneck father, drug addicted mother and slutty sister. LAME!!! Norrington's suck a fuckin' hack... someone needs to bring in Sean Connery to give him another well-deserved bitchslap!
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and will go to the top of my WILL NOT WATCH list. how can anyone even think they can so much as match the original? i like NORRINGTON, but fuck this. ----- GODDAMNED CREATURES OF THE NIGHT! ----- GREED IS FOR AMATEURS. DISORDER, CHAOS, ANARCHY: NOW THAT'S FUN! want that one on my tombstone
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Have a Hispanic wearing Dia de Los Muertos makeup?
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That was like The Crow except the guy was wearing Dia de Los Muertos makeup. Maybe this is where that remake is heading. The whole Godzilla thing sounds like shit... strange.
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June 2, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST
Will the anti-Spidey geeks want a Black Crow this time too?!?
by Monkey_King
Because any Crow or Spider-Man that isn't what Stan Lee/Ditko or O'Barr created isn't the "real" thing. BTW O'Barr's THE CROW is a thinly veiled comic book remake of THE WRAITH that starred young Charlie Sheen, but in an urban setting and no car racing.
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"Mother is the name for "God" on the lips of all small children."
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you're right, there was a movie like that. it starred Fez from That 70s Show, its called The Dead One though i swear it had a different title when i first heard about it.
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Crow guy has scars from electric chair... better than the Furlong one
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And the Godzilla references, comedy gold in the afternoon, thanks. <p> The first Crow is iconic, but I guess a whole generation or two of kiddies has missed out on it, so it's time for a re-make? Seriously? <p> I only recall reading one issue of The Crow, so if it's substantially different, I don't recall it. <p> The first BLADE IS comedic, and some of it's CG has aged badly, but if anything needs a reboot/remake, it'd be that franchise.
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Blade is a brilliantly directed piece of work, and LXG was flawed but fascinating. I'm in.
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but more like Rodan; more reptilian and flying at supersonic speeds. But the question is will it shoot fire ball LIKE Rodan from GODZILLA: FINAL WARS or just like the original Rodan?
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No one can replace Lee. The Crow was an incredible movie, and a remake/reduex wtf ever is a frickin joke. Someone please make them stop!!!
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or don't call it the crow. is that so fucking hard??? seriousissues.net
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with a decent budget. hey, can you imagine the numetal sountrack this crow-in-name-only will have? or maybe it will be rap - oh, wait, let's get 'lady ga-ga' (gag-gag). good thing i'm a retired psycho
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And I doubt they're going to make another classic. The Crow is such a product of the nineties that I'm not even sure what a Crow film would look like in the new millennium.
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Still, I think all the shitty sequels really hurt any chances of any reboot doing any justice to the Crow. Let's see someone have the balls to use the original graphic novel as the basis of the screenplay. Damn, that'd be a bleak movie. I just had a horrible thought: they'll cast Robert Pattinson as the crow. Damn.
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June 2, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST
Do they know The Crow was adapted from a comic?
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Or do they think the film was original? Fucking hell. I feel for James O'Barr, but he's probably taking an Alan Moore approach to all of this now.
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June 2, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST
Norrington just called: it's the COW, not the Crow!
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Hence Arizona. All those cow mutilations.
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You know there will be.
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and the casual aside "I think we broke her."
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....that the movie would be set in the southwest AND another location, like north, east, or middle America, you know, like Detroit or Pittsburgh...or something, well the first thought was oh shit, not another Godzilla movie! Thank goodness this article has reassured me, though I'm still a little worried. I mean, the Crow IS still a creature, so how can he be a creature and NOT be like Godzilla? Phew, the writers sure have a journey in front of them.
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I love the original beyond all belief... Just think if Lee were still kickin how much awesome shit we would have gotten out of him... that said, I'm not averse to this remake, only that it needs to return to its original badass form. For the haters, go watch BLADE it's a damn good vampire flick that's miles better than the shit films that have been made about them recently.
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But, I"ll fully admit it hasn't exactly withstood the test of time. It does and always had a "cult" following and for the reason alone it doesn't need to be remade or rebooted or whatever. Besides, a remake just won't have the same "mystique" that the original had. However, I do remember a series of graphic novels that followed the success of the movie, why not just adapt those? It seems one was about a women gunned down in the wild west who returned for revenge. I'm down with that. I definately like the idea of a (good) supernatural western type of story, because I'm pretty sure Jonah Hex is gonna suck. I'll just say too, that as much as I liked The Crow when I was a teenager, it always seemed like an excuse to make a cool soundtrack, well.. when those bands were cool anyway.
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This has zero potential to turn out to be anything other than a big, steaming pile of fail.
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with the whole American Southwest, desert angle? If they're going to remake it, just do it right, and do a black and white animation piece, ala Sin City or Waking Life. And get rights to the Joy Division catalog
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he wrote a script years ago, it was nothing like the "style" people accuse him of today. it took place in the far future and the character actually came back from the dead and didnt realize or remember so he ends up aging a few years before anything starts. it was quite weird.
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It's an ADAPTATION. Don't any of you idiots understand the difference between a REMAKE and an ADAPTATION? For example, "Halloween" and, "A Nightmare on Elm Street" are REMAKES. They were originally films and therefore they are being remade as different films with the same idea, characters, themes, etc. An ADAPTATION would be making a film based on a book, novel, comic book, etc. The original Crow film was an adaptation of the comic, this is just ANOTHER ADAPTATION of the same comic. Will it suck ass? Of course it will. But, it's not a remake.
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Dont fucking Do it. Heres a clue if the Original can still be found entertaining, DONT DO A FUCKING REBOOT!
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At the Godzilla comment. Whaaaat the fuuuuck?
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The original Crow is still one of my favourite films of all time. I still pop it in the dvd player every few months and watch it with a nice bottle of vodka. Ah, eases the pain. PLEEEEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP WITH THE UNNECESSARY REMAKES!!! I've got the comic book as well and I've got to say as much as I love comics... the Crow comic book itself is pretty boring and the art is bad. The original movie was (although pretty close to the general story), a vast improvement on the comic book.
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How can it be that they're screwing it up WORSE than Alex Proyas?
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The original James O'Barr comic wasn't set in the Southwest, and it sure as hell didn't mention Godzilla. This redux is NOT an adaptation of the comic. It's lazy arse studios rehashing an old idea instead of making the effort to look for something that hasn't been done before. I bet you they aren't even fucking aware of O'Barr's comic.
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Squawk Squawk. *BANG* FUCK I'M DEAD!!!
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How about this for a remake. Brandon Lee's ghost comes back from the dead and kills all the unoriginal, remake loving studio fucks who allowed this. That is all.
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June 3, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST
SET IN THE SOUTHWEST....UHHH WASN'T THAT THE CROW: WICKED PRAYER
by Jesiah
so I guess this is the kind of remake that has elements from more than one of the previous entries?
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minus the my childhoods dead part, which is pretty funny.
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...awful touching.
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"Yeah. Way off."
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This news is most upsetting. Close to the worst thing I've heard so far today.
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Is just a cash-in. AFAIK, it's a vanilla disc (I think it may have the Brandon Lee interview just before the feature), and the transfer is only just better than DVD apparently.
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Lots of incorrect information about the original graphic novel. Mainly, the bird is not real in the graphic novel. It is a figment of Eric's imagination, a voice that torments him in the guise of a crow. It doesn't follow him, it isn't perched on his shoulder, he doesn't see through it, etc. Also, it is not represenative of the Native American legend, that was something introduced by the movie; the whole "when someone dies" was not any part of the original graphic novel. James' original intent was to use a rabbit, not a crow, but was advised to use a different animal as a tormentor. The original story was that of a handyman/mechanic named Eric, who one evening while out with his girlfriend Shelly, their car breaks down on a deserted road. A gang happens upon them and during a random act of robbing them, kills them both. Eric (no last name, another invention of the movie), comes back and steamroles through everyone involved with his murder. He doesn't have a bird sidekick, no cop or kid sidekick, no mystical healing, seeing through crows, no guitar playing, he is absolutely alone in what he does. So Merrick, this "new" film is in no way even close to representing the source material. They are once again recycling the first movie, not the source material.
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Goth is way > than emo. 90% of goth music and/or people is/are retarded. 99.5% of emo people and/or retarded. The other .5% can be learned about on fourfa.com.
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I fail forever.
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Not unlike the comics, nothing will ever equal the original and this is an insult to that film, not unlike the REALLY horrendous sequel/spinoff to the 1994 film (anyone remember that abomination--it had Iggy Pop).
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... to do a remake of Christopher Nolan's "Inception".
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My hope is that the fact that Sex and the City 2 and Shrek 4 are both under performing, makes studios realize how bored we are with sequels and remakes. It probably won't happen, but you can always hope.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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I have such fond memories of The Crow, it being Brandon Lee's final film, and one that could have made him a big star. Don't stomp on the memory of that guy by making a shitty remake. Blade was decent, but I don't trust this material in Norrigton's hands. Not needed at all. But then again, Hollywood loves making totally unnecessary remakes so why the hell am I surprised?
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Blade is bloody(pun intended) fantastic. LXG is my second favorite guilty pleasure just behind Hudson Hawk. <p> I love Connery but the mans' film choices leave a lot to be desired. Just look at Entrapment for an example of a total wank-fest. <p> Norrington - studio interference = sublime awesomeness?
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How can any of you give the guy any credit. He single handedly ruined League of Extorinary Gentlemen and made James Bond retire. <P> Fuck him.
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Connery threw out any resemblance LXG had to its source material (which is fucking classic Alan Moore, go read them if you haven't already) and turned it into a generic action movie that bored most people that were forced to endutre it. The idea of Allan Quartermain being an opium addict and being too weak to lead the group, leaving Mina to be the leader (an anachronism of the age in which LXG is set, and intentionally so) was one of the best ideas in the graphic novel - so, of course, Connery being too old to understand where Alan Moore was coming from with that concet, threw a star wobbler, got the studio onside, and got the story changed and the script rewritten - blanded down to brainless shite. Norrington's vision was closer to the graphic novel than Connery's, which means Connery was most definitely the one at fault.<P> And if he CAN'T change his accent, he's NOT a fucking actor, he is a STAR. Actors are like Daniel Day-Lewis - different in everything they do. STARS play themselves in different clothing. Connery can't act worth shit.
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Why tarnish the memory of the Brandon Lee masterpiece? Oh, I just won't ever watch this and buy the original.
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People need to remember that there was a lot more going on with The Crow when it got released than just Brandon Lee's death. It was tapping into the extremely popular alternative music scene that was at its peak when it was released in May of 1994. A ton of great music on that soundtrack that I listen to to this day. The score is actually very good, too. This Crow does not really have sequels in the normal sense. The second film was connected very loosely by the girl. Great ideas in Crow: City of Angels, but a mess. Had a very post-apocolytic 80's feel to it. The third and fourth films just end up with other people taking on The Crow mantle of sorts. This is no different. It is not a redux, a sequel or reimagining, just another dumb crow story. It is not like it is continuing the story with Draven, like Superman or Batman continue with the same central character. Other then the first and second films, there is no way to tell that the third and fourth films are in the same crow universe. To those worried about whether or not this new movie will hurt Brandon Lee's legacy, the other shitty movies didn't, so don't worry if this shitty one gets a full release. Why did they think that greenlighting a theatrical crow after two straight to video failures makes sense? More Crow action could be fun. I am willing to give it a chance since I did sit through the others.
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and i wouldn't miss him. I even compeltly forget this clow exists. Maybe his next shitty movie will finally open up the eyes of the geeks that they are worshipping this lame ass nobody clown and all for the sake of ONE SINGLE scene in a over-rated dumb action movie.
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and I am afraid to report, its a really crappy transfer! I got the fucker on VHS back in the day, it was great. Picked up the 2 disc special DVD on release, brilliant extras etc. Buying the Blu Ray never really crossed my mind until I spotted the little blue bastard in a shop's closing down sale. Anyway long story short, its exactly the same as the DVD version as in the picture/extras etc. Good job it was cheap...the bastards!
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"Skank's dead!"....."That's right"...(quick flashback to Skank raping Shelly)....Throws the cunt out the window....Just brilliant.
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i just reread the graphic novel, and noticed that right at the end the car Draven uses to run down T bird has a license plate that says godzilla, weird....it's forever now
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mostly all it does is remind eric that he should not have watched the gang rape shelly
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Right, Stephen?
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gritty crow? I just recently watched Blade,I miss those days...
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The origins of the crow and specifics behind his resurrection are left ambiguous in the comics, but in a way that firmly roots it in mysticism. James O'Barr only ever participated in one other Crow series that I know of (it called Dead Time. It was based on his pitch for a sequel (turned down in favor of City of Angels) and that one did deal with Native American ties. It was fantastic, too.
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but I suppose you would write it up as 'Grafitti'. ..."
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