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Description (Plus Reader Renderings Of) The Costumes From The CAPTAIN AMERICA Movie!!
Merrick here...
Mike Sampson over at JoBlo got a look at Captain America's costumes for THE FIRST AVENGER. He's not allowed to pass along any media of the garb, but he's provided a lengthy description of what he saw...
The fabric of the costume doesn't look like the scaled material of SPIDER-MAN but more of a leather fabric, like something you'd see on one of the X-MEN. Cap wears an old school utility belt, the likes of which we haven't seen much in modern superhero movies. Utility belts were a staple of comic superheroes but haven't made the transition but here Cap sports a rather thick belt made up of brown pockets with a silver buckle. (It actually looks something like the belt on this Captain America toy.
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The suit actually has a practical WWII military look to it with some of the obvious Captain America flourishes that we would expect. It's hard to really pass judgment on a costume until you see it properly lit, in motion and doing what it's meant to do. But based on what I saw, I'm pretty impressed with how they were able to adapt the costume for the film.
As for the shield, it actually hews very closely to the classic design of red/white/red rings with the white star in a blue circle at the middle.
...reveals Mike HERE, in a piece which goes on to discuss the costume in quite a bit more detail. Be sure to check it out.
Interestingly, some JoBlo readers have now drawn up their extrapolations/interpretations of the costume based on Mike's descriptions, and Mike has posted the artwork best representing the costume he saw. You can look upon said art HERE.
Here's a sample, but be sure to check out the other renderings for further details.
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now thats one ugly custom...
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sounds awesome glad they went with the ulitmate comics look
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sounds awesome glad they went with the ulitmate comics look
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Why he ended up with white wing thingies on his head? Is there some kind of symbolism behind that?
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everything else looks like a cross between a biker and a hockey player. Then again, what would be more bad-ass than a hockey-playing biker?
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That Cap, Thor and The Avengers weren't being made
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I'm glad they took away "most" of the campness!
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...just saying.
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representative of the Bald Eagle?
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I like that uniform. Would look much more believable in a WWII battle. I'd like to see the wings just hand painted on the helmet.
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...that came up with this one?
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had this up 2 days ago!
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while it differs from the classic Cap uniform it does make sense for a utility type uniform. I dont mind it. id like to see Cap with a sidearm too.
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Cheers. <p> If I wasn't drinking, I might have realised that my question on symbolism wasn't so much a question as a half-finished thought:-). <p> "Oh! I guess the wings on his head are symbolic of something, probably....ok, gonna open a beer...I wonder if they're symbolic of something?".
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Bit relaxed for a battlefield.
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I was hoping for a more current cap uniform, but i suppose we'll see that in the avengers film when cap is in modern times
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Evans doesnt look like he can pull it of as someone who's stoic as CA.But time will tell if he's worthy. I guess it could be worse if say Tom Jane had gotten the part.
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Our flag is dark blue, not sky blue. It makes a lot damn more sense.
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the modern suit better have wings....fuck that ultimate shit
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http://tiny.cc/fo4ah
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yes, no maybe so?
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Somewhat practical. I mean as far as the costume design & materials. That said, man, it never occurred to me until I saw it (and then looked back at the pictures of Captain American in publication online and whatnot), but he's really impractical. Like the government would ever let their greatest hero present such a great target (glowing white A on his head, HUGE white star on his shield, eye-catching red boots, a huge star right in the middle of his chest!). He must have been every Nazi sniper's dream! It would have been kinda funny if every comic or two he'd get his helmet or shield knocked away by random gunfire, or have to dodge rifle rounds and then show some German soldiers slinking off from some tree or under a pile of hay or something and have Cap go "Hey You! Get over here!"<p><p>That said, working within those (admittedly unrealistic) confines of the character, I'd say it works fairly well particularly for WWII era. I mean, they aren't going to go totally realistic and make him wear camo BDU fatigues, face paint, an OD green shield, etc.<p><p>-Cheers
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its like saying michael jackson can't have shiny glove RIP
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I hope we see an evolution of the costume through the movie. He starts out looking like this but by the middle realizes he doesn't need a helmet. He's just too badass.
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He looks pretty good there. Sleek, and pissed off.<p><p>-Cheers
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HERO UP! I love that show for making fun of cap's persona...mark hamill is red skull btw
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I think this is a perfect updating of the costume. Good to see that this aspect of the character hasn't been ruined. Can't wait for the first pics.
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although he did technically get shot and die in the comics.... anyways, that might explain why he is on the frontlines....
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June 1, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST
The fact that he DOES wear a helmet and isn't bulletproof
by Darth Busey
is what makes the character cool, IMO. If grounding in the "real world" that Marvel seems to be going for, it makes perfect sense that Cap would wear a WWII era helmet. The shield is bulletproof...so why would he have to be? This allows Johnston to show Cap charging up at a machine gun nest using his shield to protect him and the others following him. Great visual.
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...super-hero idea of all time.<P> Imagine a Captain Soviet Union, or Captain Italy, or Captain Tajikistan...it's fucking ridiculous.
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he still suffers damage inside like a vest, or that wears away somehow in the film....thats why he looks like a giant target...
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they have a captain britan, australia, lichetenstein, and logan is captain canada...see: http://tinyurl.com/2brfgb6 1:24 haha
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I just broke out in a rash
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I never read the comics so i don't knows...also, how come his ears stuck out in the comics, why was that
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Do the world a favor and deliver Captain Tajikistan NOW!!
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Jets around in a cannabis powered bobsled.
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"The Avengers" movie? I can see the Red Skull having the same helmet type mask as the Green Goblin from the Spiderman movie.<p>Thor movie>Captain America movie next summer.
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...characters?
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Going "real" ends up ruining something. The Red Skull has a... red skull for a face. If they don't go straightforward with that character, it'll just look stupid.
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IF HULK doesn't get affected by bullets, NEITHER should captain america....People who don't understand captain america's appeal, don't realize that he represents a MUCH simpler time
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of course they are (except for captain britan)...the point is, as i've said, superheroes were pretty simple in the 40s....and they were the personal inspiration for people like iron man, punisher, spiderman, etc. In the comics those characters remind them of the old days where evil was supposedly easier to define
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June 1, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST
Careful you haterz of Cap - your 'socks' are showing
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
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is to follow The Ultimates' designs as they clearly were set out to work either with a film in mind or in a more 'real world' setting. This looks really promising.
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Costume looks good to me.
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It's always fun to watch modern comic book artists and film designers make improvements on something Jack Kirby designed. Lord knows, they are so much better at it than he was.
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...that looks like ass! I expected a little more than Ben Affleck's Daredevil costume dyed blue with an added helmet, but then, this is yet another Joe Johnston fail so it's no surprise. (Seriously, how do you manage to fuck up Wolfman?)
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Make it so Johnston. Yes, it's THAT important.
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i would have been happy with a fully traditional costume though.
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I'm getting the "we're going for reality" trip - really, I am. But if that rendering is anything near the final product...gawd.
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I think making it look a little more practical and not flashy is what showcases this. He's wearing what the military designed for him.
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..."Keep it simple and as close ha spossible to the comic else you'll get the floppy copy of Superman Returns!"...<p>hopefully this will be the "part one" suit for the WW2 epic. <P>If they end up with him being frozen in the ice, then after the credits we see him being discovered by the Avengers or SHIELD ok, means it's a complete period piece... But will need to re-tweek his costume with Favereau at the helm of Avengers!<P>If they go to our time within the movie and keep that costume.. it will be an epic fail on their part.. <P>Hope this is just "Part one" costume!!!
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That makes sense. Too bad the casting is an EPIC FAILURE.
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Will they substitute capri pants to make the character more accesible to the European movie-going public? And will they then feel pandered and condescended to, and ultimately avoid this thing like the plague? Will they dismiss this as American hubris disguised as righteousness? And will I give a rats colon either way? Non...Fin!
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Whedon has The Avengers, not Favreau.
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That this was the WWII grunt-inspired version, and that they'd have an evolved version where the headpiece was attached. I thought it was in the comics that he initially had a helmet, but that it got knocked off almost revealing his secret identity -wooooooo- (and, oh yeah, leaving his head exposed) hence the eventual creation of the costume we all know and love. I think it would be cool to see the uniform evolve from that, similar to Ironman or even more so like Batman in Frank Miller's Year One.<p><p>Regardless, I expect they'll start off with the WWII variant and then end up with the more classic look. However, I don't like what I've seen of the Ultimate Captain American uniform; it looks too smooth with just the head piece and not the head-wings. Maybe it'll grow on my if the movie doesn't suck, but I think the modern costume just looks better with the wings; it helps break it up more somehow.<p><p>-Cheers
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Maybe Cap can have his own secret crime fighting base as well and have a series of different costumes for different tasks just like Batman and Iron Man. In fact, shouldn't every super hero have a more varied wardrobe? I'm sure Hulk must get pretty angry about having to wear restrictive purple pants all the time. Wouldn't you?
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With their Jew-hating and their value added taxes and their unsustainable debt burden and their soft totalitatianism. All I want from Europe is their hot Eastern European gay porn.
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Those sketches are shit.
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At first, I didn't like it, mostly for missing the number of red stripes in the lower torso, front and back. But as I took a moment to think it through, I appreciate a look which appears more plausible and right for the time, with consideration to function (a nod to Nolan's Batman). --Here's to hoping that Captain America's modern day costume kicks ass on a visual level, too (which would seem to fit the gathering of AVENGERS under the S.H.I.E.L.D. umbrella).
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...minus the obvious USA colored garb.
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Are trophies plucked from the feet of Sub-Mariner.
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Works in the comics, but I think it would look silly in film. Give Cap a more utilitarian/practical armor setup for WWII: body armor as shown, but colored like the rest of the army's uniforms of the day. Give him the insignias, but have them blend in with the armor (like Batman's chest emblem in the Nolan films). The shield could conceivably stay the same, as if Cap was a standard bearer or something. He could go red, white, and blue after the war.
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like a WWII uniform? Here are real pics of U.S. field uniforms in WWII:<p>http://tinyurl.com/23haz6w<p>http://tinyurl.com/2al6x4d<p>http://tinyurl.com/2dxvjnx
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site ever upgrade?!?
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Remember that shot is a fan render based on what someone could remember, not an official image. The linked images are interesting to look at and feel a bit more 'Cap' to me. As for the fact that he's going to stand out on the battlefield, I'd guess that's sort of the point. If you've got one guy who has an indestructible bulletproof shield and the reflexes to get it in the way of bullets, you WANT people shooting at him rather than the platoon of GIs backing him up, after all :) (And yes, I know actually stopping a bullet like that would be pretty much impossible. That's why he's a superhero and we're not.)
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Captain America is the best!!! And Im from Mexico!!!
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Absolutely agree. I've said the very same, before.
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...they still suck.<p> Of course, from the very beginning I've been firmly in the camp that Captain America's iconography CANNOT translate to film, so matter how you dress it us. It simply cannot be done.<p> So far, nothing I've seen has shaken that point-of-view.<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2juYsVLra8
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why Captain America would ditch the WWII outfit in favor of the modern costume? Wouldn't it give him LESS protection? Does the modern costume have adamantium weave or something?<p>Seriously I'm curious.
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For when you get handcuffed to the Red Skull.
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The costume looks horrible. I really don't like the helmet, but if it's just for the WW2 stuff, I don't mind it cause it's fitting. But when he's in modern times and especially the Avenger's movie, he better lose that thing.
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I think it looks inspired by WWII designs. Filter that design through "this is what the govt. would design for Captain America back in the day" plus the filter of a fan creating art from the description, and possibly the filter of the director trying to make it somewhat plausible and respectful of the times yet in reality also a movie that will depict a superhero AND sell tickets.<p><p>On that level, I think it's a success.<p><p>-Cheers
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0GdGHfAOY
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Don't know why but that really made me laugh. But that costume does look pretty lame.
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Dad: What is that racket? Don't you have any manners at all?<br><br>Retarded Child: DUUUUUUUUH-HILT!!
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June 1, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST
Hey why don't I jump into battle with a bullseye on my chest?
by Royston Lodge
The Shield is adamantium, fine. But why put a big, bright bullseye on his chest in WWII?<p> Why, oh why, wouldn't a WWII super-soldier wear camouflage?<p> I admit it, I'm a Captain America hater. I've never liked the character. Never, ever, ever. Even as a comic-loving child-nerd, he made zero sense to me.
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First, according to Wikipedia (which isn't always reliable), his uniform is bulletproof. Regardless though it would probably be updated with more protective technology as it became available, and each improvement would likely be effected by contemporary style (military a/o superhero stylings if he's commiserating with other superhero types). The attached hood (in addition to protecting his identity) would also be more firmly attached and could be made of protective material somehow (ala. Nolan's Batman) and thus not come off as easily (because, I guess helmet straps don't work as well in comics?), as well as providing full neck coverage. Really though, the only advantages I could think of would be to take advantage of technological advances (like Kevlar, or some other light-weight-yet-protective materials) and for a more distinctive uniform (both for identification/morale purposes, and the real reason, to make him more iconic and cooler looking to fans), not to mention arguably making him more modern (although, in that case, maybe give him a 21st-century soldier-inspired uniform?). Anyway, those seem to be the reasons I can think of.<p><p>-Cheers
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Captain America TWO?!?
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I have hopes that this costume is used only in the WWII settings, and that the modern time settings use the classic comic books costume.
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The freaking suit with fake ears from the late 80's movie looks better than this one. And Chris Evans is no Robert Downey JR. where he can get away with not being Iron Man on screen and everyone still loves the movie. With Captain America you need the suit. I think this new suit looks too real and then it has a campy cheesy look to it. they should stick with the real suit. I have a bad feeling Marvel is going to mess up a lot of stuff with this movie and the Avengers movie and the Thor movie where that suit looks just as cheesy. I think Marvel got the Fantastic Four movies and Iron man movies perfect and even the second Hulk was good but now it sounds like a downhill fall coming up.
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silly, deal with it. Make them metal if you have to. Believe me, when there is a Flash movie, he'll have his lightning bolt/wings on his cowl.
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if i were a german and i saw a lunatic in a blue and red leather suit running around with a football helmet and goggles on i would shoot at his face immediately. no questions. its like a big blue target.
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I'm hoping he comes across better than that!<p><p>I've always been kind of fond of Captain America. He seemed to embody the American Dream and at best be like a realism-based super-soldier, like if a super-athletic Olympian type (obviously a level above that, but more or less that) was placed in the services and ended up a war hero. Physically and mentally more military like than Spider-Man, yet not as physically powerful as a true super-hero or genetic/technologic/mutant freak like Hulk or Juggernaut or Superman. Something special, but closer to us in some ways. Then the whole time-shift thing where he has to readapt to American culture always seemed ripe with possibility. I'm not a huge fan of Captain America, but I've always found the premise interesting and though if done right I'd like it.<p><p>Those links were horrible, but look at the 70's Spider-Man stuff. Equally dreadful. Actually, maybe skip those. They were awful!<p><p>-Cheers
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Good, just making sure.
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All black. Or all green/grey fatigues. Everyone here is right. This will only be believable if he is wearing camo instead of red and blue.
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Cap has his shield and his speed and agility, so he can take Nazis shooting at him instead of at Allied troops. The costume is symbolic and has a purpose if you put a little thought into it.
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... evolve as the story progressed?<p> <p> I suspect that, in WWII, we'll be starting with this one: http://tinyurl.com/278dwyp and evolve it into this one: http://tinyurl.com/2c7wpy9 as we finally catch up with Cap in the present day.
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Which is a step up from most 70s superhero fare. 70s Captain America. 70s Captain Marvel. I shudder when the memories of those abominations emerge inside my brain.<p> Japanese Spiderman kickas ass tho'.
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June 1, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST
This reminds me of that trailer for the new Phantom show.
by Royston Lodge
When presented with the Phantom costume.<p> "I'm not wearing that."
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He wears combat fatigues out in the field but the traditional star-spangled outfit at dinners in the Officer's Mess?<p> Was Steve Rogers even an officer? I forget.<p> (I always preferred U.S. Agent anyways...)
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Cap..we can see your moose knuckle!
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However, I didn't think he himself was bulletproof, and sure the "he's a target" mentality kind of makes sense except for two things.<p><p>1) Anything requiring subterfuge and he blows it. In modern warfare, it was more about slinking around and taking out your enemies without being any more of a target then necessary. By being so visible, he's alerting the enemies to his whole platoon's position. Granted, if it's something where they already know their location (ala. the Beaches of Normandy) the sure.<p><p>2) He's a supersoldier, not invulnerable. At least, I didn't think so. He makes himself an ultra visible target, and he'd get shot right away. Unlike Superman, he can be killed or at least taken out of commission by a tank (or a well placed bullet).<p><p>It makes sense to me that his real purpose would be more as a soldier doing heroic feats and a leader inspiring others to achieve greatness, rather than a highly-visible symbol, at least when he's fighting on the front lines.<p><p>-Cheers
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I keep reading people say how its more realistic for him to wear this crappy outfit...but lets think about how realistic any of this is...if we're going for realism, there would be no super hero movies...because super heroes aren't real. Captain America would be in all black and a ninja...he would use a sniper rife and bombs and not a shield....so I guess you guys would be cool with that??? The Hulk...doesn't exist. Original Human Torch, Toro, Sub Mariener...nada. I mean...hey, there was no real Captain America during World War 2, so lets just scrap that too because its not realistic. Where do you draw the line??? If we want to see the heroes of the comics that we love, we need to suspend the disbelief or otherwise all fiction is non-realistic so let's stop believing in this fantasy. Comic Books aren't real, so let's stop trying to make them realistic and lets try to make them like the books....stop ruining my childhood with all this crap.
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Captain America walks into dining area.<p> SOLDIERS<p> Fag!!! Homo!!! Poof!!!
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The costume has a great practiacal feel to it that really is going to add to the realism factor. I like how the straps work to create the stripes. <P> Also Cap is not Invulnerable or Bulletproof. He does have the strength and agility of 10 men and he heals very quickly.
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The Marvel Studios movies have refrained from that temptation so far. Unless you count Black Widow (who wore that decades ago) and Fury.
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Actually, FlickaPoo, if real superheroes existed, Cap would make the MOST sense as one who would exist. He'd be a nationalist symbol who would lead the troops and freak out the enemy. It's the same reason you carry a flag or blast rock music loudly. It proclaims 'We're America and we're going to kick your ass!' At least that's where it starts. Cap's story has almost always been about how he's attempted to reconciled (sometimes badly) his own position and values as defender of freedom with the government's use of him. RoystonLodge, the idea of Cap in modern times has been that putting him in the bright costume is specifically TO make him a target - to draw fire from the troops (he's super fast and strong and can take it) and to be an inspiration (see above). Cap was never supposed to be a stealth soldier. That's Bucky's job! That said, I think this costume works well for the WWII setting. Not sure if what they'll do for contemporary times.
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WELL? WHERE ARE THEY? WHERE'S THE HELL IS JOEL SCHUMACHER????
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Lame. Look, he's a superhero, he has a bulletproof chainmail costume and wings on his head. Deal with it. The idea that somehow a helmut and a couple of throw grenades somehow make a red white and blue costume with a giant A target on it's forehead more realist are ridiculous. Trust me this 'realistic' look is gonna come off ten times more cheesy than if they just had the balls to go with the real thing.
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June 1, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
hipnosismag: Here's the thing, and it's why I dislike Cap.
by Royston Lodge
The Hulk has no control over how he looks. It's really one of his weaknesses, if you think about it.<p> Human Torch has no control over what he looks like. He's fire. Pretty simple.<p> Sub Mariner's look can be chaulked up to cultural differences. He comes from a society under the sea.<p> But somebody had to DESIGN Cap's outfit. Somebody in the War Department in the early 1940s made the conscious decision that the Red, White & Blue costume was a better idea than simple army fatigues or camouflage.<p> Even as a kid, that seemed stupid to me.<p> Now, since I'm not a Captain America fan, am I allowed to have an opinion? Maybe not.<p> Then again, as a comic book far, they are kinda counting on me putting $10 down for a ticket, aren't they?
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June 1, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
The suits at Marvel must think Wings on Cap=Nipples on Batsuit..
by Thanos0145
Johnston as Director and Evans as Cap=EPIC FAIL!!!
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Although, they will be on Namor's ankles if he's part of the (rumored)Invaders.
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...equals Nipples on Batman, Flames on Optimus Prime, etc. It just looks waaaaaaay too silly.
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http://tinyurl.com/y9rbn2z
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I still see some impracticalities and possible negatives, but nice explanation.<p><p>I suppose a lot has to do with how well the movie works, and if it is great people will overlook a lot they had problems with before actually seeing it (Spider-Man having organic webshooters for instance).<p><p>-Cheers
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While that is a practical design for someone in ground battles, it's a bummer it's based on the Ultimates design. But then with Marvel going with Sam Jackson's Nick Fury, this really shouldn't be suprising. If it were me, I'd ask Steve Epting (Current Captain America artist) to come up with a more real world take on the costume.
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3 years ago there was a storyline where steve rogers was assassinated by a sniper. his suit is not bulletproof and neither is his skin. that's why he carries a shield idiots
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I'm going to judge this entire film on my initial opinions of a poorly and quickly put together photoshop job based on a description of an unfinished costume! Rabble rabble
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Do ears look stupid on Batman? Nope. Two small silver wings on Captain America's head don't suddenly make the costume ridiculous. Trust me, he looks ten times lamer without them. Without the wings it just looks like he's wearing a red white and blue gimp suit. Check it this pic from the old movie serial if you don't believe me. http://captain-america.us/images/wallpaper/cap40smovie.jpg
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Other superheroes are manifestations of our perceived failures in the real world.<p> Batman, Spiderman, Punisher, etc. They fight crime because the police don't have the resources they need to do the job.<p> Green Arrow fights corruption because the police can't, since they're part of the corrupt system.<p> Superman takes cares of the REALLY big problems that humanity cannot take care of on its own, like killer asteroids and aliens from other worlds and super-intelligent criminal geniuses.<p> The Hulk is a radiation experiment gone wrong. It can be argued that he causes more problems than he solves, and that he represents the struggle between the light and dark sides within all of us.<p> But Captain America represents a solution for a problem that NEVER ACTUALLY EXISTED. We DID win World War II, and we didn't need a Captain America to do it.<p> He simply doesn't make much sense to me.<p> My name is Royston Lodge, and I'm a Captain America hater.
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"Captain America's uniform is made of a fire-retardant material, and he wears a lightweight, bulletproof "duralumin" scale armor beneath his uniform for added protection."<p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America<p><p>Captain America #255 (March 1981)<p><p>Not saying it's right, but if the info a/o reference checks out wrong, feel free to fix it.<p><p>-Cheers
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Though it's super resistant to knives and such things (at least in the old 616, pre Nu-Marvel) marvel u anyhow.
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I think it makes perfect sense for him to look larger than life.
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death of captain america. he might have armor, but its not bulletproof.
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i hope this is just his costume at the begining of the movie then changes to his modern one we are used to
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The guy who actually saw the costume never said there weren't any wings on the head or that there was a helmet. This is just some dipshits fan drawing that has very little to do with what dude was describing.
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had zero to do with the creation of Captain America. Fuck him.
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June 1, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST
D.Vader: That's why I say the costume should be a dress uniform.
by Royston Lodge
The suit can still serve propaganda purposes by having him wear it in newsreels, at public events, at congressional anti-communist hearings, etc.<p> On the battlefield, he's a symbol of why you don't wear bright primary colours on a battlefield.
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but wit how super soldiers fight (Roth in Hulk) and wit Evans as Cap, cant wait to see a trailer.... but i really do hate Cap... my third all time most hated character behind Superfag and a tie between Juliet from lost and Peggy from king of the hill...
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and not just the AICN snippet...The wings are gone and the helmet is there.
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everythin was in black n white... duh
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Feel free to change it. I'm not defending Wikipedia by any stretch, but it IS how a lot of people get their "facts." Thanks for the correction though.<p><p>-Cheers
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WWII footage in colour:<p> http://tinyurl.com/2bvlb39
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http://tinyurl.com/2vmblcl<p> http://tinyurl.com/39jwmv4<p>
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well... there goes my sound theory....
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Since the film, comics, anything related doesn't matter to you anyway. Suspension of disbelief you morons. I supposed you'd rather see Superman in a black suit, too? And Nolan's batsuits (the films are, yes, excellent) is so much better than grey and black or blue-black. Wrong.
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June 1, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST
The studios seem obsessed with super-heroes being bullet-proof
by Dead_Kate_Moss
So they give Bat-Man armour, change Cap's costume because it's 'not-realistic' even though it is semi-armoured (chain-mail) and he has an impenetrable shield, Thor has to have some armour too... and they also worry themselves giddy that audiences find costumes silly (X-Men/Wolverine) - meanwhile the public lap up the non-armoured, costume faithful Spider-Man movies, and don't think it's ridiculous that Indiana Jones, Rambo, or James Bond go into battle and miraculously escape gunfire without body armour. It's a movie, we'll accept that a SUPER-HERO can dodge some bullets, ok??
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Did someone seriously just ask what the "A" on his helmet stand for? Holy shit...this IS Capt. Algeria, right?
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and yes, give the superfag a black suit... makes em look less gay
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or thats what other countries think
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Ah forget it. Just give The Comedian his own movie.<p> I'd watch it.
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but it was all washed out like in saving private ryan or band of brothers. If Johnson had the balls he'd film the movie like that, make it look like a spielberg type ww2 film, all washed out and dirty
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Sounds like a good idea for a YouTube video if you ask me.<p> Take the "on the beach" footage from Saving Private Ryan and insert a CGI Captain America into the background.
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June 1, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
good idea about CGI'ing cap into saving private ryan
by RedBull_Werewolf
but get the guy who did that above description picture cause he's obviously got talent and i'd love to see his skill with live action
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If you can't accept the 'reality' of a superhero universe (and yes, this includes you Marvel Studios) wear people run around (and fly) in skin-tight, colourful costumes, people turn into green monsters, are gods, look like a walking pile of bricks, then don't go and see a superhero movie. The costume sounds like it sucks donkey cock and anyone trying to bring our reality into a superhero movie should be repeatedly kicked in the knackers and then fired!
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Merrick, don't you realize that the fact that you said this was a fan rendering in text will not prevent talkbackers and other folks from somehow missing that point and believing that is concept art for the film. You should just remove that picture!
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he can be Afflecks buddy
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and you know he would be on the army side... cuz ya know, we likes to invade and destroy natives for energy
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man i miss those mondo tee ads
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he can be in the toilet with that kid and then he can nod at the camera like boba fett did in the star wars special edition
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He´s the Captain America, fighting for the american way! Even me, an european, understand the basic concept. He has a short cameo in an old Hawkeye miniseries, that´s where I got the meaning!
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He'll keep the japs in line
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To using the exact costume that was in the comics? Donner's Superman? The Phantom? Enough of this "let's ground this costume in reality so moviegoers don't make fun of us too much."
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The Tick?
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Two points:<p><p>1) You can have realism in comics. Sure, they come from ludicrous concepts, but give them their rules, plug them into the laws of the real world while accounting for their special abilities, STICK TO THEIR RULES (don't keep retconning crap or adding/removing/forgetting what they can or can't do), and voila! You have "realism" in comics while allowing for the inclusion of their supernatural/science-fiction/fantastic elements.<p><p>2) Quasi-Scientific Explanations and Such: Just give them something at least rooted in some sort of scientific theory or explanation. It'll all be a stretch, but I'm fine with that. I'm also understanding that you'll have to partially use/exclude certain things, but just give us some reasonably-rational explanation for why Superman can fly or Captain America's got 100% genetic potential realized or Spider-Man's DNA being written, or just say it's beyond our current knowledge a/o inexplicable, then move on. That is fine. You can still have "realism" in comics to an extent without turning them into normal folk dressed up in pajamas and playing pretend. Just look at the ambiguous-yet-rational villain histories of the Spider-Man movies (you might have gripes with some, but overall they seemed pretty well done and you knew their boundaries).<p><p>Really, I am fine with them starting off with a fairly normal looking outfit and then maybe changing it for the Avengers movie (which sounds like the plan). To me, for super hero powers (not just Steve Rogers), just lay out how much we have to suspend disbelief and then stick to it. As for the outfits, I prefer a pragmatic approach (hence, the outfit description given is fine, great, worry about other stuff now), but also like SOME nod to fans (X-Men, I get them not not going yellow-and-blue spandex route, but maybe some of the costume designs could have been more traditional, especially Wolverine's, and I'd have been cool with it too). That aside, I am fine with them having some leeway, but make it make sense whatever you do. In this case of Cap, I'd be kind of interested to see the outfit evolve, both in this movie (allegedly two versions, the one described being the one he wears for most of the movie it sounds like), and maybe a sleeker, more modernized one down the road representative of changes in technology, style, whatever. Sure, if it was totally "realistic" he'd just have plain fatigues, but I think there's a balance between him wearing plain WWII BDU's and sky blue American Flag-inspired body suit with bright red gloves and boots with flaps and who needs a gun when he's got a shield! and the suits its final incarnation the first try! There has to be some reasonable middle ground, or else nobody's going to be happy.<p><p>-Cheers
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Wears a bullet-proof sombrero and poncho.
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asshole
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but its right for the war the costume fits the period
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ws probabaly the old adam west batman series, that was right out of the comics, every character was pretty close to what we saw in the comics at the time. Donner's superman was faily close aswell <P>The problem today with doing that kind of stuff is that the world is different and much more violent, yes i know it's make belive but there has to be a sense on connection to the modern era if the film is supposed to take place in the now. <P>I mean imagine if chris nolans batman wore the same costume as adam west of course it would be more authentic to the source but i'm thinking it would seriously hurt the films credibility
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And I'm fine with it as long as they update it to his traditional costume when he's in Avengers.
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Fine by me as long as Cap fights like every bit the badass Ultimate Cap is. Probably he'll get a more superhero-y looking suit for the Avengers flick. But for a WWII-set movie, this is spot-on.
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No wings. No blue. And lose the shield, because that won't translate from the comic. And give him a different name, because Captain America sounds patriotic and uniquely on the side of the USA, and that's obviously the LAST thing we want. No super serum, either, because that's unrealistic. So after those changes, then we'd have a cool Captain America movie.
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I don't think I've never seen this version of Cap before, so I had to Google it.<p> Taking a look at his WWII outfit, it's the very first image that makes me think Cap might be able to work on the big screen.<p> His outfit isn't bright primary colours. The blue and red are very faded, like army uniform fabric of yore.<p> I can almost see it in my mind's eye. Here's a link:<p> http://tinyurl.com/252lykt
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and I'm a Captain America not-getter. Obviously, you don't really understand the character. I think he's one of the most compelling characters in the Marvel mythos, simply because (unlike many of the other characters), he chose to become a superhero and has to deal with the consequences of that choice.<p> Look, Cap was created in the Golden Age as a propaganda tool, punching out Hitler. He was a wish fulfillment, nothing more. Seems like you can't get your head around simple nationalism. But who says we didn't need him? Obviously, patriotic propaganda symbols like him helped keep morale high (in the real world here - during WWII, the biggest consumers of comics weren't kids. They were soldiers. There clearly was an impact).<p> Since his reinvention in the Bronze Age, the main point of his character is that he is out of his time. Pretty easy metaphor - he's frozen in a block of ice. He has to deal with a country whose ideals have changed. In some cases, he's had to turn his back on the very government that created him because of his core values (one supervillain was revealed to be Nixon!). Since Ed Brubaker's been writing him, Cap has been one of the most interesting and layered characters and some of the most complex and intriguing plots of the entire Marvel line. Let's hope the script takes advantage of some of the excellent source material.
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on their hands. It would be as bad as when no one paid money to see Spider-Man because his costume was too comic book-y, or how no one saw the Dark Knight because, hey, would a real-life billionaire really wear those pointy ears on his helmet?
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I completely disagree that a realistic Captain America would have fatigues. Hell no, he would be in red, white, and blue. What part of super-soldier do you not get?! He's a fighting symbol. The thing about 'realistic' super-heroes is that, of course, they're still fantasy. They're just reality plus. Reality tweaked just a little bit, like Alan Moore's Watchmen. What if type scenarios. As opposed, to say aliens and Norse gods which are much further removed from reality. Oh. Wait. Well, you know what I mean.
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At least it still looks mostly blue. I was totally expecting the damn X-Men black leather.
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"What part of super-soldier do you not get?!"<p><p>The part that includes him having to be a walking flag with bright shining colors. If they go that route, more power to them. However, if you expect to portray him in an actual WWII-centric movie, you are putting him into a realism-based world (although with some of the villains and how they're portrayed we'll see).<p><p>Of course it's still fantasy. There's a HYOOOGE range in how you play that. Do you go Alan Moore, do you go Joel Schumacher, do you go somewhere in between? With Captain America, I'd prefer they went more the Watchmen route. I mean, sure it's fantasy, but I don't want him to stick out like a sore thumb of antiquated propaganda.<p><p>Aliens & Norse Gods . . . Alright. Two things. First, those are often tough sells just because of those very things you mention; they're much further removed. If done wrong, they become camp or just totally unrealistic. Yet, I can buy a Superman or Spider-Man or Hulk movie. The trick is to define their rules, integrate them into the world they live in or come from, and make it make sense. Alright, so Captain America is a symbol and thus wears a walking flag. If they sell it right, o.k., maybe. It's not any worse than Superman. However, sniper fire can kill Steve Rogers, it won't kill Kal-El. But whatever. I understand him as a symbol and morale-boost, but if you're going to make any super hero more realistic, he'd be one of the top candidates. I'd have to see how they play it out though if he's a bright sky-blue American Flag Man.<p><p>-Cheers
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crappy is because of the cheap materials they used(PVC or whatever), and the fake ears. Doesn't mean the classic design wouldn't work on the big screen. Give him metallic scale armor and head wings, red leather boots and gloves, leather cowl and cloth trousers sleeves and torso stripes, and he's good to go.
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As I have stated in other threads about the character, Cap has been wrestling with changing attitudes about patriotism since at least the 1960's (and for the record, dusting him off for the Korean War didn't mean good sales). The First Avenger however needs to be a WWII story so as to introduce us to the character and by default the past of the Marvel universe, all of which is compelling. How realistic does it need to be? Well, that depends. I don't know if it'll get as bleak as say Band of Brothers or The Pacific, but such dramatic nods couldn't hurt it in my opinion.
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boots, nothing gay about them. Robin Hood wore them.
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It's not impossible to go with a blue WWII uniform without looking totally anachronistic.<p> For example, you could start with the basic design of British WWII pilots' fatigues.<p> This is a terrible example, but it's the best link I could find:<p> http://tinyurl.com/2arfyu3
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Capt. America wears a flag-based costume. Always ha. If he doesn't in the film, he is not Capt. America. End of story. Period. Got it? Johnston has said he gets the outfit because at first he's Mr. USO, they're afraid to lose him. Then somehow, as hokey as it make seem to many in 2010, a red-white-and-blue fighting powerhouse in 1941 becomes a giant symbol. And still can be one. Not claimed by the far right. That's crap. Look at the Brubaker comics, looked at other runs, post 9-11, Englehart in 70s and so on. It can work. Unless you think the American flag means nothing. It does. It's part of an ideal, children. And this is coming from a dreaded liberal, yet. I'm done with neo-cons and worse thinking they have the only claim on things American. Now Ultimate Cap is a bit of jerk or at least was early on as I've haven't read the most recent books (waiting on library requests). But even he needs to have the costume/outfit.
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...and now Joe I-fucked-up-The- Wolfman Johnston just killed Captain America on film. Sure, it's just a fan rendering, but if this is anything close to Johnston's concept for the costume, this film is screwed. He made Cap look like a gay biker! In this case the "A" stands for anal-man. You don't need to make it super realistic or exactly faithful to the comics either. For instance, I'd remove the "A" from his forehead. Looks OK in the comics, but it's going to look retarded on film. 'Sigh' this had so much potential. I can't believe this is the same guy who directed the Rocketeer.
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Am I the only one who thinks that looks almost like a Wehrmacht helmet with the angle of it and all...yeah I know, just a rendering, but still
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They're borrowing the mask from "The Spirit." lol
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it does look like a nazi helmet.
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http://ww2germanhelmets.com/images/Waffen%20SS.jpg
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Cut a hole out for easy access to his dumper.
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The suit looks good. Too bad that Chris Evans will be wearing it.
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...based on that description in the article for a fant art and manip thread at SuperHeroHype. http://tinyurl.com/capsuit1 http://tinyurl.com/capsuit2
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asshole
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Can someone somewhere please explain these photoes to me. They can be found near the bottom of the page, and pretty much kick ass http://tinyurl.com/nk4sgx
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They aren't related to the fan art being done based on the description, they're live action shots.
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Pics are from a YouTube fan video called Captain America: The Avenger. It's decent looking, but the acting and dialogue used was horrendous.
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so he can jizz on his enemies.
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But it won't happen. If it did I think it would be a ballsy move though I don't see mainstream audiences going for it, not because he's Black but because (ironically enough) he's still a virtual unknown to any mouth breather who's never watched Community, Mystery Team or the Derrick stuff (Honestly, I never thought the bro rape dude would be up for Spider-Man.) To people who don't know who he is it would be a totally left field move "Who is this random Black dude they cast to be Spider-Man!?!" would be all you would hear. He'd be good though. I think the kid from "Little Manhattan" is the best choice out of all the White guys the studio are considering but he's a little stumpy so it's a similar problem.
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June 2, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST
nothing like a big juicy cock to arouse international audiences
by DioxholsterReturns
will captain america crash the tea party in the movie as well?
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jamie bell is on the list for the role.
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Oh no they are not! I'll be wearing these on my shoulders. You will see. I will confound the red skull and his minions with knee pads on my shoulders!
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This has nothing to do with the fan rendering, btw. <p><p>Fuck, can we stop pretending this guy is a good director? <p><p>Should of gone with John McTiernan. . . is he still doing jail time?
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There. I said it.
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I guess I'd be pleased if they had the red, white, and blue of Cap's outfit, but in kind of subdued earth tones. The kind I've seen in the Ultimates and some of the other comic book iterations, where it's a darker-color scheme that wouldn't sacrifice some level of secrecy and still look like a symbol of patriotism yet not be out of place or seem ridiculous to actually be part of a platoon (I get it, he's a symbol, but I know just enough about warfare to know that if he's too flashy it would just draw attention to the platoon as a whole and get people killed). Anyway, there has to be SOME way of having him either be subdued in color, or just covered up or hidden until they go on the offensive.<p><p>In modern times, it's less of an issue. First, he's just trucking in (or whatever) and making a presence kind of like the Police (as in cops, not the band) or being part of a less-than-subtle Avengers team. At that point, or even if he's infiltrating some base to fight a guy with a gleaming red skull or a TV for a head in his stomach, then once we get to that point, I don't really care if he wears strobe lights (well, I do, but at that point I mean if you're going to go nuts that seems like a good point). Modern day (or even open combat), leading the Avengers or doing some mission where subtlety is the antithesis of what they're going for (especially if it's a distraction for Bucky to sneak in and destroy the shield generators on Endor, or whatever), then awesome!<p><p>I do think there is a time & place for context though. Make him a symbol, but it has to make some sense given his surroundings and situations. Still, I am kind of excited about this, and yeah, practical or not, I'd also like to see how they fit in his classical uniform with the patriotism and symbolism. I'd just like it to make as much sense as possible, because I think it can be done based on some of the fan art and color schemes, with the RW&B and wings.<p><p>-Cheers
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About the Police (the band, not the cops). Sting could bring is Feyd Rautha mojo again...
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Nice!<p><p>-Cheers
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if true, replace Evans is Will Smith pronto
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WHAT! THOUGHT JON HAD IT!! ..<p>Avengers are fu@ked! (can I write that?!?!)<P>But it's true!.. DAMN!
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I say Danny! Now THAT is a reboot
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This is why modern comics suck - because the writers are fanboys worrying about why Captain America's costume won't work in "the real world" and they've lost any ability just to stop worrying about something that doesn't matter and put some joy and adventure into their damn stories. <p>One thing The Watchman NAILED was never trying to explain why the heroes were running around in costumes. It never made any wink-wink nudge-nudge nods to the audience about how obviously impractical superhero costumes are (and up yours, Bryan Singer). It simply presented a world in which superheroes wear costumes. That's it. No explanation offered and none needed. And it worked. Raimi never tried to explain exactly how or why everyone seems to accept that this weird spider-dude is wearing a colorful costume - he just is and thats the end of it.<p> Don't get me wrong - I like the WWII look in Ultimates, and I'm aware that for better or worse the Marvel movies are a sort of Regular Marvel Univers/Ultimates mash-up. I just think the constant "that big star on his chest is a perfect target" style comments are stupid. If we could just allow ourselves to remember that these are superhero movies and not actual historical biopics, we might relax enough to remember that these are not stories based in any way on "reality."
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About Captain America: Camp? Super Camp!!
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