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Guillermo Del Toro leaves THE HOBBIT...
Hey folks, Harry here and I am all at once incredibly sad and relieved that our good friend Guillermo Del Toro is leaving THE HOBBIT two-parter. Sad, because I know - beyond any doubt what Guillermo's HOBBIT would've been. I can see in my mind's eye the look of the film, the flow of the film and the loving detail his wonderful eyes would give us. And to a degree, some of Guillermo's vision will always be a part of the eventual films that will eventually be made. The questions that now come into play are filled with wild curiousity. TheOneRing.Net has the official press release. The main reason for this is that Guillermo had pre-existing commitments with Universal for a whole slate of films, that the absurd situation with MGM has caused to occur. SO... Now - will THE HOBBIT be made in time for Warner's announced dates? Will Peter Jackson, who hasn't committed to a next feature - that is, at least, announced thus far. With Peter still producing and overseeing the project - I'm sure we won't get a Brett Ratner or Paul W.S. Anderson aboard. But if Peter is still reticent to helm THE HOBBIT... Who would you folks like to see take the reins from Guillermo? Whose aesthetic fits both Peter and Guillermo? The mind boggles. Now you may ask why I'm relieved. The reason I'm relieved is that while I knew intellectually that Guillermo would make a great HOBBIT film... I was terrified of the second film. BUT mainly I want to see Guillermo's more Guillermo-themed projects. Weird bits of awesome. I am concerned now that without HOBBIT's success - that I may never see AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS get made, which is the Number 1 film I need to see Guillermo make. And in Guillermo's heart, it is his as well. Who knows. Maybe that'll end up being next. But Guillermo has the following films in a stage of development -- HATER, CHAMPIONS, SATURN AND THE END OF DAYS, PINNOCHIO, DEATH: THE HIGH COST OF LIVING, THE WITCHES, DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE, FRANKENSTEIN and DROOD.
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WHYYYYYYYYYYyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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I wouldn't be upset.
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alright, I've read the article now. unfortunate, but I wish him well. By the time all the rights stuff gets figured out, maybe he'll be done with what's currently on his plate.
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...I got nothing
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Too bad.
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And what did he have committments to make? A Guillermo Creature from the Black Lagoon would be amazing...and you know this, Man.
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I wasn't looking forward to Del Toro's take - his films look great, but the only one I've actually enjoyed is Pan's Labyrinth.
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First Bond, now this. Shit
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If Jackson ends up doing it, which I hope he does, then all is right. I hope Peter steps up and continues the legacy he built.
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What A Nightmare.... Alfonso Cuaron?
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boner-kill.
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Good-bye change at Hobbit being good
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you used the name Guillermo 11 times.
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My friend just watched Pan's Labyrinth for the 1st time and I was excited to tell him that this was the dude that would do The Hobbit too. Seriously, this happened about an hour ago, and now this. Fuck!
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May 30, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST
I've grown less fond of the LOTR trilogy as the years have passe
by alan_poon
So I hope Jackson doesn't end up directing. I know he probably wouldn't do it but what about Spike Jonze?
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They've been trying to get that shit onscreen for years. He could do it.
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Give the guy some credit. He turned a theme park ride into a multi-billion dollar movie franchise, he revitalized Johnny Depp's career, he gave Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom their careers...Sure the second two sucked more than Linda Lovelace, but the first Pirates was a revelation. I think Verbinski has the eye for a film like the Hobbit.
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I would have liked Del Toro's HOBBIT, but I would much rather Del Toro's something-that-can-be-made.<p>I feel bad for him, though. I bet it was a hard decision to walk away after putting so much in. At least he's still working on the script.<p>Blomkamp, anyone?
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i like his style, wish he was still doing dark crystal 2, dammit i want some news about that movie WAR MONKEYS, been forever
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This is sad news of course, but great news too.....the film I want to see him make is Hellboy 3. Am I alone here, I thought the second one was a borderline masterpiece!! I want to see how this trilogy ends...
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I don't know why I'm laughing. I just never thought a Guillermo Hobbit movie would work in the first place I guess. I find him to be just a tad overrated. Better choice than Raimi though, that's for sure.
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Maybe now Uwe Boll will finally get the job he deserves.
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Haha ha ha ha.
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After "The Lovely Bones" crashed and burned, he needs a guaranteed blockbuster.
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I don't think Del Toro was the right fit for this project. To be honest they should just leave it alone, the story is nowhere near as compelling as LOTR.
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Harry wrote: <b>Now you may ask why I'm relieved. The reason I'm relieved is that while I knew intellectually that Guillermo would make a great HOBBIT film... I was terrified of the second film. </b> <p>Care to enlighten us, Harry? After all, you do seem to have insider knowledge on this whole project. I'm deeply puzzled about this mysterious 'second' film. The Hobbit is not a long novel and it could easily be done justice in one 3 hour film. Even the Rankin-Bass animation managed to get most of the necessary details in less than 2 hours. I feel like the second film is a wholly unnecessary money-grab, or a back-room deal to keep the film industry alive in NZ.
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HELLBOY 3 FOR THE WIN!
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I would GREATLY prefer a Cuaron helmed-Hobbit than one from Guillermo. THAT would be an extremely interesting film with some creative camerawork and shot choices. One things for sure, there'd be a lot less shots where the camera follows a CGI stuntperson doing something ridiculous.
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MGM should just scrap the project.
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Guillermo's genius is best served elsewhere. Let Jackson complete THE HOBBIT, which probably won't happen now. This film is going on the shelf from here on out. Now del Toro can do Hellboy 3 or whatever else is on his plate--In the Mountains of Madness... That probably won't happen now as that film was contigent on The Hobbit getting made and turning major profits.
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Don't know why...... wonder if GDT does enough business with Universal if they'll give him Mountains?
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should direct this movie. He just needs to get to it soon because Ian McKellan ain't getting any younger.
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Let's all get our tongues out of Peter Jackson's asshole for a moment, fuck The Hobbit. I'm waaayyyyyy more interested in what Del Toro does next...ie; Hellboy 3
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100% sirius.
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but it's going to be a strugle since the other two underperfomed. The only reason I was even looking forward to The Hobbit was because it would have been a giant fucking hit. This would in turn give GDT enough clout to probably get it made. Now it's all up in the air.
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Whatever happened to that? That script sounded like it had a lot of promise and is right up Guillermo's alley.
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...get his PAN on with HOBBIT.<P> And I say it again...<P> Fuck.
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They know how to do a two-parter.
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He's got way too many projects on his plate. Just focus on two or three and that's it. Pinocchio? Really, Guillermo?
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It sounded really cool. I'm not sure I want him moving off of that to direct The Hobbit. But maybe it'll take so long for MGM to resolve their money issues that it'll work out anyway.
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Leave it to some bullshit behind closed doors bullshit to derail what was sure to be one of the finest fantasy films ever made! This news is devastating...but not unexpected. I hope that Peter Jackson reconsiders and directs the films himself! And I hope that Del Toro gets something before the cameras soon! FUCK MGM!!!
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They really don't. I'll never forget the wild anticipation at the start of Matrix Reloaded and the "uh, that's it?" silence as everyone trundled out at the end.
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...and your butt. <p>Sometimes it's hard to be geek. Giving all your love, to just one group of fat, musty, bespectacled men. Ahem. Good thing I wasn't particularly intoxicated with this whole thing, anyhoo. Still, it was an Interesting Thing, and it was pleasant to have it sitting on the horizon, steadily drawing closer, to enjoy, to anticipate, to be relucantly curious over or hopeful or disapointed or unexpectedly rewarded with.<p> Now, in it's place, we have a talented genre filmmaker back at the start of the painful multi-year cycle of his craft, a potentially interesting film languishing until who knows when, and as compensation, dull as ditchwater corporate legal wranglings. <p> Sighsies, is my cry.
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Hobbit needs a new director.
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to walk away from The Hobbit.That said , maybe he wasn't.
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They should go back to courting Peter Weir to helm the project. I'd love to see a Hobbit directed by he of Master and Commander. One way or another I'm relieved we don't have to see a shitty version presented by the closet pedophile who brought us Hellboy 2.
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Make the call.
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...would be Terry Gilliam.
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Yep. Prisoner of Azkaban was the only standout Potter movie
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...that's the only way they could make it any gayer than the end of RotK!
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Do it
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His Harry Potter film was the least faithful to the books but it also stands out as probably the best flick in the series.
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Thank god
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they know what's at stake here, they need to quit the BULLSHIT and have these films made at the hands of Peter Jackson! I would have loved to see Guillermo do them too, but this is dragging on far too fucking much
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May 30, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST
Off subject I know but, on your facbook request topic Mr. Knowle
by NLemonz
Fuck you.
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There is a 25% off coupon floating around the net that would make him a great deal! Plus, sign him now and you'll get a complimentary car wash!!!
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I always kinda hoped Jackson would just do it himself. Sure, it's another three years in Hobbit land for him, and I understand not being up for it after what he's already been through, but considering how long it took to make the trilogy, will another three years hurt that bad? Finish your franchise, sir, I'd love to have a complete Peter Jackson collection of The Hobbit, Fellowship, Two Towers, and Return. <p> I hate that when I show my daughter something like the Batman franchise, I'm going to have to expose her to Batman Forever, and when she asks how the fuck it turned out that way, I'll have to say, "that's fucking Hollywood, dear. Franchises rarely stick with their original creators." Let this be one of the few. <p> That said, both The Matrix and Indiana Jones were seen through their entire runs by their creators, and look how that shit turned out. <p> Fuck, I don't know, man. I'm gonna go get a sandwich.
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May 30, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST
Off subject I know but on your facbook request topic Mr. Knowles
by NLemonz
Fuck you. Very much.
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Brain Dead II please!
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FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKERS! First you sideline the James Bond franchise, and now you've managed to fuck up another sure thing! I hope that somehow, someone manages to find a way to get the rights to THE HOBBIT taken from you...thenb Peter Jackson can make another stunning fantasy film triumph which will make more money than you dicks ever imagined, and you don't see ONE FUCKING PENNY OF IT. Who is behind this anyway...George W. Bush?
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Everybody loves Michael Bay and he can have J.J. Arabs to re-write the script! ! !
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He needs to be involved.
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Love Del Toro, but I never for a minute thought he was a good fit for the Hobbit...Now if Jackson will just take the reins.
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Liam Neeson is dr.strange
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May 30, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST
BEST NEW I'VE HEARD TODAY!!! LET JACKSON DO HIS OWN LAUNDRY!!!
by TehCreepyThinMan
Jackson should have just fucking made this instead of wasting his time on the disaster that is The Lovely Bones.<br> <br>I'd rather see Del Toro do At the Mountains of Madness or anything else then be Jackson's bitch boy. If it was the case that they were going to do just one movie, then I wouldn't have a problem, but this stupid shit about making two movies out of a very thin book was always going to be dumb fucking iddea.<br> <br>Del Toro needs to do ATMOM first then onto Hellboy 3.
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now maybe he can get the ball rolling on the backlog - and please, none of the remakes, or oddball bs. MOUNTAINS, while you've got the clout
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The Simillarion is unfilmable anyway. UNFILMABLE!!
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Can't think of anyone else that would get me excited about it right now.
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Who knows anything about this?
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I was really looking forward to del Toro making these films. damn it.
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Too bad they'll never give him the cash. Fuckers.
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..cus I don't really give a crap about the Hobbit anyway...
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IMHO he made the best Harry Potter movie and his talents would be well suited to The Hobbit.
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IMHO he made the best Harry Potter movie and his talents would be well suited to The Hobbit.
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Please god, no more Jackson movies. LOTR was good because it was LOTR, but even the cartoons had more atmosphere and grit than Jackson's clinical, cgi love fests. Give us Alfonso, so he can bring back a sense of haunting, mystic feeling to the material. What he did for Harry Potter he can do for these films. He's probably watched the Rankin Bass production a few times as well, and knows how smaug should look/sound/feel.
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Never liked the thought of him on Hobbit, del Toro is far better suited to do something based on Elric of Melnibone... lets get him on that immmediately
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I really can't think of anyone else who could do this that would make me interested in it. I mean, I'm sure there are other directors who could do it really well, but no one that would make me excited about it. Guillermo was perfect, dammit.
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May 30, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST
Jackson should do it - and it should be THREE films
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Hobbit 1 and 2, and the bridge film that was talked about, using the appendices from LOTR and Unfinished Tales, showing the hunt for Gollum and various other bits and pieces. <p>Two trilogies; it'll be great - just like Star Wars! Oh, wait...
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Please, we want the movie to make sense.
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...like the recent "Wolfman" remake; half the original team's movie, half the new team's, and completely unsatisfying.
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Or better yet: Peter Jackson! And someone needs to bailout or buy MGM, pronto! Save The Hobbit and James Bond!
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...considering the reason GDT bounced is because the start date on this production is nowhere in sight. No really good director is going to let themselves get tied down to The Hobbit until there's proof that it actually stands a chance of getting made (especially Gilliam, who's been down that road before).
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Sometimes, you can't help but get the feeling that this film is cursed. Way to go, MGM.<P>But in a weird way, I'm kind of relieved that Del Toro is leaving the project. After the disappointing travesty that was HELL BOY 2, I was not at all confident in the directorial vision he would bring to THE HOBBIT...even with WETA, Jackson & Co., and the same actors at his disposal.<P>As for who should take over the Director's Chair, it seems logical that Jackson would take over. But if he's still reluctant, I wouldn't mind seeing Peter Weir take a stab at it...Cuaron...I don't know. At this point, it seems like anything (or nothing) could happen.
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May 30, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
So they've got Del Toro locked up for the rest of his lifetime.
by Super Rabbi
That's how ya sell a soul folks!
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If they sit on Bond 23 too long they'll probably do something supremely stupid like re-casting Daniel Craig, which would a fuck up of tragic proportions. Although QoS was a disappointment, there is huge potential for the storyline and character arc they're pursuing. They made an interesting move by hiring Sam Mendes for the director's chair, so let's hope they don't piss it all away when the Bond films are actually interesting as a series for the first time in decades.
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May 30, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
since fauntleroy branagh for thor why not Cronenberg for Hobbit?
by JRKerr
yeah you'll all wave flags for a year with plant hysteria and then realize you just watched kick ass. bleh. hobbit doesn't need making.
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This seems like really bad news. I dunno. I feel like we're all gonna be dead before it comes out. In fact, I'm not feeling that hot right now. :/
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May 30, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST
I wonder what will become of all the pre-production work...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...that Del Toro worked on over the past 2 years. Just the other day he was quoted as saying they had designed nearly everything, had pre-vis sequences finished, and were simply waiting on a green-light to start nailing down the cast and so forth. You've got to wonder if all that stuff will be flushed or if Jackson will keep it due to his close involvement.
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Anybody?
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Because if MGM is gonna kill this thing, might as well do it in style ;)
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... is Tarsem, he can handle the visuals but I'm not yet convinced by his storytelling, we'll have to see how Immortal comes out, but that'd be too late. This sucks so much.
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May 30, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
Make it a trilogy.
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
And make it not suck. More hobbits please.
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Count me in on that call!
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I forgot to pick someone earlier. I mean if Peter Jackson doesn't want to do it, of course.
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But they don't have any trouble bringing out the 1,000 edition of Gone with the Wind DVDs.
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Give it to the guys who made Blair Witch Project or maybe Michael Bay? Just Kidding. There is ONE main person who should make this-- Jackson, with the two chicks he works with as well. PERIOD. No one else. It needs to have the exact look and feel of LOTR to be fully accepted with new vision only Jackson et al can bring to it. They had a perfect formula for LOTR-- go with it. Could this be any more of a no-brainer? COULD IT? MGM sucks. Period. And before half the cast gets too old or flat out dies, MAKE THE THING ALREADY. And the person above who wrote about people who care about this getting a hooker and moving out of parent's basement... WTF are you even doing on this site anyway. If you are not a fanboy, disappear, because this stuff matters to lots of non-virgins. BTW, went out driving with my X-lingerie model GF in my Benz earlier today. FACT. So suck on that! Jackson for the love of humanity, just make the world right again and announce you are grabbing the helm and plan to make the greatest films the world has even seen since LOTR. PLEASE !!!!
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We're on the same TARSEM wavelength. He'd own the visuals, and the script aint no worry cause its fucking Tolkien for christ's sake.
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*I* say let Uwe Boll take a crack at this. What a glorious train wreck that would be.
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Get the guy back behind the camera!!!
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His sensibility fits the bill although I'm sure they'd have to take a look at how Immortals is going for him. But superficially, he and Del Toro have similarities in their aesthetic preferences.
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Hire Peter Weir, for this. He'd do a great job, with the material.
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I'm confused how they don't have any money available for either The Hobbit or Bond 23 to get the green light when Quantum of Solace made over $580 worldwide. While Del Toro jumping ship is a disappointment, I'm much more concerned about Bond. If they wait too long Craig is gonna leave, and that would be a damn shame since I'm extremely interested to see what Mendes can do with a full on action film. Anyone who has seen Road To Perdition knows the man can direct action (what little their is in that movie, but still) so I'd like to see his take on the character. But I really think neither project is going to see the light of day for at least 5 years, if ever.
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i would have gotten rid of him too.
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...he didn't want to direct this specifically because he wanted it to have a different look and feel from the LotR trilogy? Then again that could have been a bunch of jive he made up because he didn't feel like directing another movie for 4 straight years. But my point is I don't think Jackson is going to end up directing this.
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From what I've heard, MGM fucked it up, and so did studio heads demanding the Hobbit be 3D.
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unable o muster the courage to choose an appropriate director Hollywood will default to Burton<p> Wanting nothing but big names with histories of success, people who shouldn't be involved with this project will be shoehorned in<p> Burton will direct, Depp will be Bilbo, Burton's Wife's flabby oiled boobs will be the dragon<p> It will look like every other Burton film naturally
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...give it to M. Night...you know you want to see that....who's with me???!!!??? Hello? Helooooooo????
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No offense Tarsemaniacs, but his weird, dreamlike sensibilities don't seem right for this AT ALL. It would look interesting, but it wouldn't be The Hobbit. Lots of slow motion and flowing cloth and insane costumes... it seems way, way off to me.
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The problem is today, the film studios AREN'T film studios. They are huge corporations that invest their money in all sorts of crap, like fast food and those toxic mortgages that tanked the economy. Depressions like we are in now are the times when movies do the most business, because people want to go to the cinema and spend a couple of hours escaping their lives, forgetting that they don't have a job and are going to lose their home. But all of the movie studios are in big trouble because of their non-film investments, and we are seeing fewer movies being made now than ever. Hobbit and Bond are guaranteed moneymakers, yet MGM can't pull in investors? MGM ain't long for this planet. Too bad they will just be bought up by some other corporate monster, and not a genuine film company dedicated to making movies.
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He made the best Harry Potter movie, after all, surely he could do better than Del Toro. It may even turn out better than Jackson's movies... (Who said that?!?)
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The new guy needs to get with the flow and not fuck up the things already conceived, be it design, feel, scriptness, whatever. And, I don't know, I just kinda think Neil Blomkamp would be a good fit.
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Perhaps you missed the LOTR trilogy, but there was a ton of slow motion and flowing cloth and insane costumes. I do think he would need to demonstrate he can handle a bigger wide audience movie, and he's filming one right now. But I'm guessing since that movie is nowhere near a finished product, the turnaround is going to be too long for MGM to wait.
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May 30, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST
Yeah CountryBoy: flowing cloth is Tarsem's bread and butter
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Imagine Gandalf the Grey with 50 feet of of cloak billowing behind him in slow-motion.
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Del Toro had nothing to do with The Wolfman. That was Joe Johnston taking over for Mark Romanek.
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He's still going to direct it. The wheels of bankruptcy and selling off pieces of franchises turn slowly. Heck, Spider-Man took a solid decade to get off the ground from all the legal mojo and half-finished drafts being bounced about.
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Can suck it.
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Imagine Titus crossed with fantasy. Perfect.
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It blows ass.
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MGM has dropped the ball on three viable properties. First the RoboCop reboot with Darren Aronofsky (he left b/c of money), Bond and now this. Awful.
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Couldn't get into it.
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May 30, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST
John McTiernan - I would love to see his version of the Hobbit
by Rhinosaywer
Moreso than Del Toro's.
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GDT cut bait and is now free to pursue other projects. This is a good thing.<br> <br> The 2-part Hobbit can die a slow death for all I care.<br> <br>
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Just thinking of directors that could dabble in the Hobbit, names like Frank Oz, Nicholas Meyer, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Edward Zwick, Christopher Nolan, and even perhaps Brad Bird.
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Don't fault the creative execs in production at MGM-- blame the lender group, who can't decide whether to shit or get off the pot. They passed on the lowball bid by Time-Warner and then passed on the ideas of Stephen Cooper, the turnaround executive they hired to turn things around, to completely recapitalize the studio and get back to making movies. The execs stuck in limbo there now are good folks -- I've worked with them -- who are utterly hamstrung, the same way these filmmakers are, by how slow this process has been. For all the assholes on this board who yell "Fuck MGM!" don't blame the people tying to get stuff made-- blame the behind-the-scenes financial, "geniuses" at various hedge funds who don't know what the hell they're doing. Their penny-pinching is costing them plenty in the long run.
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With this news, It won't get made. The gap between films is starting to become too great.<p> I'm sure Ian Mckellen has a few decades left in him, even at his age but who here can envisage another actor taking on the role of Gandalf? And what about Chris Lee? The guy is near retirement now in his later years, and he likely will not get any more star turns like Saruman and Dooku.
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Never understood Del Toro's appeal. He is more than competent, and his "vision" seems interesting, but his movies (esp. the Hellboy series) are poorly directed. I think the Hobbit would have been a mess. We need a more level-headed director that's not trying to create art for art's sake to direct the Hobbit. I am thinking the guy who directed Master and Commander. For some reason, I think that guy could nail the shit out of Tolkien.
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He's got my endorsement, too.
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If he could pull of 'The Neverending Story' in 1984 and make it look that good, surely he could pull together a competent and - maybe even - beautiful Hobbit film(s)... but then again 'Poseidon' and 'Troy' didn't really connect emotionally, which is critical... hmmm.
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Film the whole thing on top of some mountain somewhere, make the actors carry all the gear, and bring no food or supplies of any kind. Every scene shot in one take. At gunpoint.
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LOTR had some of that, but he seems like a man obsessed with bizarreness. I can't see him dialing it back enough. Maybe he does with the new movie, but as you say, too late...
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May 30, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST
Could Sir Ridley summon the passion to make a good movie again?
by CountryBoy
If so, maybe they'd entrust it to him.
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He would have made a great LOTR universe film to be sure, but he has to get At The Mountains of Madness off the ground. I have a feeling it would be his masterpiece. Maybe that'll happen now. I say give the Hobbit to Alfonso Cuarón, or...like some have suggested, if you really want to go to way-outs-ville, TARSEM.
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at this rate!
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We'd better hope so since he's actually going through with that ALIEN prequel...
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Cuaron, Blomkamp, and Tarsem are good ideas. Here's are some others just to throw out there. Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Bong Joon-ho (The Host), Timur Bekmambetov (Night Watch), Danny Boyle (Millions), probably the most out there idea Andrew Davis (Holes).
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He directed "2nd Unit" scenes in the whole LOTR trilogy anyway. And he's directed some big films like 'Young Guns II' and 'Under Siege 2'. He might not have 'a look' like Del Toro, but with PJ as Producer he could pull it together... but I guess he's not a name director, so that'd be a no go for the suits. Then again, he directed 'Fortress 2: Re-Entry' Muhahahahaha!
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If it's as bad as HELLBOY 2, no thanks and fuck off.
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That is going to be monumentally difficult to film in a way that will be interesting to watch. The entire story takes place in Antartica, and the aliens, while amazing, are not going to translate well to film. It will be hard to capture the feel that Lovecraft generates in the book. I consider it unfilmable.
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Although that's always seemed sort of a misbegotten idea to me. In that case, I second Danny Boyle. He's proven himself skilled at various genres. Why not fantasy?
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......I'm just a casual fan with curiosity in a Hobbit film, and even I can feel the frustration from this film's constant stream of setbacks. I can only imagine what you guys are feeling. I dug HB1 & 2 so I'm hoping now we at least get a complete HB trilogy.
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May 30, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST
Hollywood is fucking broken - Hobbit is a license to print money
by Rhinosaywer
Just a bunch of mean spirited rich bastards whining about the size of their take, yet if they just agreed upon on an equal takeaway (nobody loses), the fucking fans just the movie they want.
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OMGOMGOMGOMG I would squeal like a little girl if it was announced that film was finally going into production. Also, I agree about Hellboy 3 needing to be made. I know the box office on those films hasn't been gigantic, but for some reason their geek following is. I would love to see a couple more films with Big Red and the gang. Maybe a BPRD feature. <P>Next director, well, unlike some of the optimists, I actually think it's going to be pretty hard to get a good name on this project with all the baggage now attached to it. So I vote for PJ. My WISH list would also contain Terry Gilliam, David Fincher, David Cronenberg and John Milius. All of whom, other than MAYBE Fincher, are WAY long shots for even being considered.
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A Fincher directed Hobbit would rule.
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...you actually expect rich folk to set aside their greedy ambitions and take what's "fair" and "equal"? If anything like that is truly what's going on behind the scenes the Hobbit film will never see the light of day.
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NUFF SAID!!!
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How have they fucked up this badly, moneywise? I don't get it. Haven't read up on it, but I still don't understand how a studio that owns one of THE sure-fire bi-annual cashcows in James Bond (and each one made MORE than the last recently - even though Quantum was shit, it rakes in the dough) can end up so financially fucked. So deep in the mire that they can't even pony up the dough to knock out a new Bond and make their money back a hundred-fold. <p> <p> I'm generalising, I don't pretend to understand the finer workings of studio financing, but surely they could rely JUST on Bond to bring home the bacon! <p> <p> Anyway, here's what will go down, and we all know it: <p> Hobbit will end up in turnaround, they'll HAVE to sell of the rights. Worst case scenario is it ends up in the hands of a no-one director. <p> <p> There will be no new Bond until at least 2015. At which point Craig will have long since got tired of waiting, had hesitations about returning to the franchise after such a hiatus, and will have pursued other projects (and let's face it, he rarely seemed THAT enthused about playing 007). <p> <p> Bond will re-launch (not necessarily re-BOOT, Casino-style), back in the style of old: talk dark handsome; lots of gags; gadgets and escapism. <p> <p> Sad for both Bond and The Hobbit, really. The mind boggles.
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May 30, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
Peter Jackson should just step up to the plate and get this goin
by fat_rancor_keeper
I totally understand the guy having a been there done that attitude. However, if he was already will to be involved and produce, under these new shitty circumstances he may as well take the next step if at all possible. Plus he's already had his shot at some other projects for better or worse.
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Though his star may be in eclipse at the moment. But his SENSE AND SENSIBILITY style would suit Bilbo, and the fights from CROUCHING TIGER seem to indicate an eye for action. Unless that was all Yuen Wo Ping.
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Sorry, love DelToro - but TWO movies screamed of a cash-grab. The Hobbit is more of a "children's story" than the sprawling epic of Lord Of The Rings. A good solid two hour feature is how it needs to be. Certainly, keep the aesthetic and style of Jackson's trilogy to marry it up, but there was no real need to have a "bridging" movie. It's another story, in the same world, with some of the same characters and background. <p> <p> I admire more than I actually like Jackson's trilogy. Admire it for being as faithful as possible to the books and not gutting them in order to turn out "blockbuster-friendly" adaptations - but I also think that, as movies, is what compromised them. Too long and earnest - which is the fault of the books. <p> <p> Feel free to flame away, just my opinion.
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Don't get me wrong, that guy deserves our great affection for Brazil and 12 Monkeys... and hell... I'll even give him Baron Munchhausen and Time Bandits... but the guy also has horrible luck with movies, almost never turned a profit and tends toward the absurd. Tolkien's work does not lend well to the absurd. <p> Also, Gilliam is on record stating that he didn't like Jackson's LotR films. He thought Fellowship was ok, but thought the constant large-scale battles of TT and RotK became repetitive and boring, especially since none of the main characters ever died.
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I find every one of his films just so cold and distant from their characters that it completely alienates the viewer. In some of his flicks, the characters were supposed to be blank and repressed. But I even thought that about Brokeback Mountain and The Hulk. One a story of seething forbidden love, the other about a guy who's anger and repressed rage turns him into a big green monster. And yet in both those, where the emotion should be front and centre, I feel nothing for any of them. The Hobbit doesn't need that.
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... in an effort to keep it in the "world" of Jackson's trilogy, whoever ends up bankrolling this WILL bring in some hack-for-hire to just try and copy his style. <p> <p> Y'know, like B***t R**ner and X-Men.
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...seems odd considering Peter Jackson himself originally had to get the LOR made as a trilogy when the studio only wanted 2 movies. Then the Hobbit comes along and suddenly everyone wants to squeeze 2 flicks out of one book?
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Twentieth Century Fox Presents a Brett Ratner Film. The Hobbit. Starring Vinnie Jones as the voice of Smaug.
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no one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just cos I like to piss of AsimovLives.
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the hobbit is the beginning of the lotr... finish the story peter jackson... i love gtt but i want you to tell this story
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... more than with some of his others. And to be honest, I felt little emotion toward Jackson's LOTR characters.<p> It's a conundrum...
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Hell Boy 2 sucked ass. A true example of a watered down, jokey sequel. A perfect chance to ratchet things up and we get big budget silliness.<p> That being said, The Hobbit not getting made makes me feel relieved but chances are this will get passed on to lesser men. I'd rather it not get made and avoid that 'SW prequel' stench staining the other LOTR films. <p> Like kwisatzhaderach said, after sitting in the theatre after the DOA Matrix sequel I am highly dubious of any well intentioned sophomore efforts.<p> And I love how people claiming Del Toro will drop the ball on The Hobbit yet clamor for him to tackle the immensity, depth and mood of an H.P. Lovecraft tale. Bah!
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May 30, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST
It's pretty obvious who should direct the Hobbit...
by fat_rancor_keeper
George "WILLOW" Lucas. Even though that film was directed by Ron Howard it was really George's baby. Rumors around the interwebs are that Lucas originally planned to film an adaptation of The Hobbit but he couldn't secure the rights.
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It doesn't matter that you bothered to mention J.J. Abrams just to piss off Assimov. He would have brought it up (somehow) anyway.
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I think he'd be a good choice for director of this project.
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little princess and the 3rd potter film are fantastic children fantasy movies
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After seeing Wild Things, I think Spike Jones can handle it.
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Seriously - Lucas could redeem his credibility with the Hobbit.
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the Apocalypse, and Jell-O. Also the looming shadow of 2012. I think all the richie riches are gonna be too worried about stocking their bunkers for the end times. <P> This summer's movie slate already had me suspicious, but this just confirms it.
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They can fuck off and die in some dirty cunt hole for all I care, new Bond films and The Hobbit would have netted billions of dollars, in fact The Hobbit could easily see off Avatars massive box office, similar lucious effects and fantasy world but with a decent story, so MGM only have themselves to blame. Jizzcocks!
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....really I cannot believe that two sure-fire franchises are sadly being blown to shit.
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fear of making a wrong decision has lead to stagnation and death
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Unless you literally want the 1950's novelty singer directing it.
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...doesn't matter to me. I want PJ directing...or GL just to prove he's still got it.
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There's no way this is coming out this decade. Del Toro was the only one seriously pushing for it, now that he's bailing, its a clear sign the ship is going down. Jackson can barely be arsed, and MGM is in indefinite limbo. <p>Maybe in ten years, someone will dust off the rights, buy them from whoever's been holding them from whatever became of MGM's ruins, and restart the process, but until then, consider the project in Cryogenics indefinitely.
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All really cool choices... but I think Del Toro and Jackson share some sensibilities that made the collaboration intuitive on this. These guys are all brilliant but very, very different. Which isn't to say I wouldn't want them to do HOBBIT, just that each of them would probably want to deliver their own HOBBIT (assuming they gave a shit in the first place) that would be pretty off-base from what was planned.<p>Aside from the myriad bullshit legal stuff, given how directed pre-production has been I think whoever comes in, if it's not Jackson or Del Toro, will have to subsume any personal investment and deliver the 'product' as planned. Christ, this thing might now be tailor-made for Rat.
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that Del Toro could probably go off, do two or three of his films, and be back on the Hobbit in five or six years. Doubtful. But we won't be seeing anything soon. <p> <p>
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...I thought Warner Bros wasn't happy with "Where the Wild Things Are." So many re-shoots on that one. Underperformed. I don't think they'll let him near any of their pics again.
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People aren't going to movies in droves anymore, studios are starting to balk at conceding the need for time and effort going into films, when they can have a relatively quick turnaround with a shitty product (ahem, Alvin & the Chipmunks) and pretty much guarantee a profit. <P> Look at all the money studios are spending on 3-D conversions.
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May 30, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST
MGM should just die already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Professor_Bedlam
MGM is the worst of the worst in the hollywood system! They have there head so far up there asses that there brains are full of shit! MGM should just die already they have been on life support barely for a while now! Just sell BOND and The Hobbit to the People that will care for it and in turn show some class before you flatline MGM.
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under Guillermo's watch! But either way, never wathced LOTR so I'm not interested in this project either way.
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I know most of you must think I'm crazy, but he can handle a project of this size, and he wouldn't be involved in the script writing.
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He would care for it and make the Hobbit special!
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I keep reading people talking about the 2nd movie like it would be new material that would bridge The Hobbit with Lord of the Rings, but I thought it was long since established that The Hobbit movie was going to be just the book, broken in two with expanded stuff, such as the White Council.
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'Nuff said.
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the hobbit is just long enough to be a 4 hour story on film. but you can't expect kids to watch a film for 4 hours in a theater. and this is a kids film. so, 2 films makes sense.
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Don't worry, we still have the Rankin-Bass cartoon... "The greeeaaaaatest adventure is what lies ahead!..."
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That
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No fucking way he should be allowed to the premier of The Hobbit let alone allowed to direct it. He gutted the entire point of Alice in Wonderland. He is not capable of grasping The Hobbit. The thought of it makes me sick to my stomach.
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I'm with Atticus Finch on here, I think Fincher would do a great Hobbit. It'd be different, but definitely good, I think.
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Tim Burton has done some great flicks...Batman 89, Ed Wood...and some fun stuff like Beetlejuice....but let's be honest he's had waaaaaaay too many clunkers as of late.
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and it also kinda fuckin blows.
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Far much more to lose than can ever be gained.<P>Leave it the fuck all.<P>Please.
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No one believed me.
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I'm beginning to believe we'll have a better chance at seeing hell freeze over than we will that film hitting theaters. I'm keeping hope though.
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...is happening exactly like The Battle of Five Armie. Money, money, money
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I'd love to see Weta's Richard Taylor given free reign to direct on The Hobbit. Yeah, thought I'd throw that out there...
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May 30, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST
The film is not dead. Because where there is a whip...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...there is a way!!!<P> http://tinyurl.com/ygxbvqf
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He said this film was dead a week ago but no one believed him.
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Leave it alone. Every money man and creative person in Hollywood wants a piece of THE HOBBIT. However, no true fan wants to see an overproduced, created by committee, piece of crap. PJ needs to step up and buy the rights and produce the most epic movie ever fucking made.
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Sure, Alien Resurrection sucked big time, but it wasn't his fault. This time, let him contribute to a film series that's better suited to his style and specialties. Action, charm, mystery, whimsy. That combo is better for the Hobbit; not an Alien film. And Jeunet can do all that, plus off-beat characters. I'd love to see his take.
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May 30, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST
JimboJones: Yes, "Hobbit" is the third death
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
R.I.P. Hobbit movie!
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This is some of the best geek news in forever. The only bad thing to come out of this will be the inevitable Hellboy III... The first two movies are jokes. Incredibly bad joke which only get worse over time.
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I'm confused by this statement, Harry. The two films are going to be The Hobbit, split in two. Why would you be terrified of the second film?
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I said this movie was dead. Dead. But they all laughed. Shows them.
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Richard Taylor would be a great idea, let's face it, he knows the world well enough! I still want to see the Mirkwood sequence with Tarsem though...
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Ron Pearlman aint getting any younger. Wrap up the trilogy and then give us Hellboy The Animated Series...or Hellboy The Universal Theme Park ride. Either or.
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wasn't that supposed to be a film he was going to be involved with also?
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Complete the circle!!!!! I always envisioned the 3rd one starting off with a serious sequence of events that make you think Armageddon is coming...people suiting up in robotic suits, people hunkering down behind barriers, Hellboy looking freaked out...then we cut to a bunker that has Liz giving birth. Casualties would be high!
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.......cool ideas. Del Toro - make it so.
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He proved he can do a LOT with a little.
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He was pretty much the only living director outside of Jackson who could pull it off and certainly Burton would absolutely murder it in a most hamfisted way...i hope thats just a retard's wishful thinking and has NEVER been considered. After Apes and Alice Burton should never be allowed near any classic story or film franchise.
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It sucks that GDT threw the last two years of his life away working on this, but I think PJ should have been the only one to do this all along, anyway. Fuck the second movie. Just do The Hobbit with Ian McKellan before the poor bastard dies.
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to fuck away from this.
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It should just be left alone. It's a childrens book describing events leading up to a more exciting adventure we've already seen. Why show the Battle of Five Armies when we've already seen Pelennor Fields? Why show us Smaug when we've already seen a Balrog?<p> I thought PJ did an admirable job with LOTR, taking the basic elements of the story and making films with mass appeal. Sure, as a major fan/expert on Tolkien, there were plenty of things I would have done differently, but that would have been a different set of movies. And considering I (like Tolkien) believed the books unfilmable, it's a remarkable achievenment he even got the films made. <p> But he should have done The Hobbit first, as a 'test run' type deal. And why is it split two movies? It only takes two hours to read the book! It smacks of them adding things into the story, which has made me nervous.
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His career took a nosedive about 10 years ago.
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assume your destiny and shit... direct this thing!
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too many delays. I'm happy about it, I would have loved to see his version but it was taking waaaaaay to long to get made. Now we get see Guillermo movie in the next couple years.
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Hollywood doesn't know how to not to turn to Burton<p> Creature of habit<p> a few more to's<br> to to to to<p> TuTu
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I swear to god, how many people in this talkback are blaming MGM for "fucking up" here and/or with Bond? They're on the goddam chopping block for chrissakes. They're lucky to still have office space let alone fund a fucking multi-million dollar fantasy two-parter. Do none of those people actually keep up on the film industry?
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was once the ultimate, well-oiled Hollywood studio machine, whereas now it's synonymous with 'un-ending, massive screw-up'.
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His Pirates sequels were hobbled by messy scripts... but the dude has got the perfect visual chops for such a large scale production.
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Why the fuck not?
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Everybody realizes that 'The Hobbit' will be an expensive proposition. It has to live up to the expectations raised by 'LOTR'. Spreading out the investment over two films, which will likely recoup x2 time as much as one film, seems like as a sound way to turn one property into a tent-pole franchise as you can expect when only one source work exists to be translated. (yes I know about the Silmarillion and the rest of the Chris Tolkien collections, but frankly I think they are all as boring as hell)
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thru mismanagment<br> probably from top executives giving themselves multi hundred million dollar bonuses<p> They were rewarding themselves while driving the studio into the ground<p> They were fiddling while they burned rome
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'The Hobbit' is a property that has to be included in any valuation of MGM when it comes up for sale. MGM can't sell it off and expect to keep any interest in what MGM has left.
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to happen, I mean he signed in 2008 and still nothing; Maybe this just a tactic to finally get the project moving foward. One can Hope...
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Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. . . . Fuck. Pay Gullermo anything but get him back onboard.
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The underlying literary, religious and philosophical references really helped my appreciation of the Matrix films. But I've probably read a 10000 times more books than your average person, so while I understood the subtext, I'm not surprised that most people did not. Nothing really to do with intelligence (that just helps with the reading), it's only a matter of being widely read/educated enough. The Wack Bros are actually quite smart, some of the smartest filmmakers out there after James Cameron and the Coens.
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Seems too me that this project is a go. Neil gaiman was on the Hellboy 2 set basically taking a crash course in directing, he's personally asked Fairuza Balk to play Death and Shea labouf is rumored to have encouraged production of the film with him being cast as Sexton...
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I was very excited about The Hobbit being directed by Del Toro. Jackson took a very "historical/literal" approach to the LOTR films which left me wanting an unbridled epic fantasy film that I think only Del Toro could deliver. Not that I didn't like the LOTR films, but The Hobbit's childrens book imagery would've been perfect for GDT to unleash his imagination upon.<P> There have been some great suggestions so far for a replacement director. I really like Spike Jones visually but he might be a bit too artsy for the project. I absolutley love Prisoner of Azkaban so Cuaron would be a great choice. Maybe Verbinski could pull it off in the action deptartment. I also loved the Blomkamp idea too.<P> I really just want them to shelve the damn thing and then maybe Del Toro could come back to it later.
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"some of the smartest filmmakers out there after James Cameron" HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! WAHUHAHA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! That was funny.
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and pick up with Peter where Del Toro left the project. This sucker was ready to shoot right?
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The rings movies are crap. They should just wipe the slate clean and start all over again.
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IMDb still shows Guillermo as directing a Doctor Strange movie for Marvel. Prolly old news, not gonna happen. As to a director, whoever was Jackson's second un it director would likely be a good choice. But please, not Cameron, Spielberg, or a big name. Just someone who knows and loves the book.
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See if Zhang Yimou of Hero, House of Flying Daggers, & Curse of the Golden Flower is a fan & would be willing to step up. Would be interesting to see what he could do with it visually.
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If and when The Hobbit ever gets made, Peter Jackson needs to direct it (he needs a hit).
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fucking up every inch of potential movie badassery to be, that's their specialty these days!!
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He's pretty good with prequels.
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Marvel match made in heaven!
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Do you speak it?
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I can't fucking wait to see that one! I've wanted to see an adaption of the Sandman since I was a kid and after McKean and Gaiman did Mirrormask I thought Sandman couldn't be too far away. Del Toro and Death sounds like a great idea to me. <P>
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fucking confusing. he should be del gordo toro.
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He has a real gift for making fantasy come alive ... PRIZONER OF AZKABAN was the best and most beautiful of the Harry Potter films.
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My god....its full of nipples!!!!
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And one of them will be played by Vanilla Ice walking around on his knees Dorf-style!
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Yes, I CAN spell basic words... :P
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there is a biological imperative in hollywood to make this
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...for someone who's made films with (mostly minimal) practical effects his whole (long) career, a CGI-heavy two party full of talking wolves and computer animated armies might be asking a lot. I know people tend to say "the effects people/unit directors will handle it" in those situations, but taking half the aesthetic decisions out of his hands might defeat the purpose of hiring him in the first place.
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I mean,those Peter Jackson versions are so old...they came out YEARS ago. Whats that Robert Pattinson fellow up to?? Anybody else think he'd make an awesome Gandalf?Of course they better hurry...if they wait too long,he might be too old for the role!!!
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Have not seen Master and Commander? It's loaded with visual effects shots.
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Set to a funk soundtrack. Just as long as the dwarfs don't rap "Cracklin Plates,...is what Bilbo Baggins hates".
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Mentioned elsewhere on this thread, the visual poet who SHOULD have made these pictures to begin with:<b>John Boorman
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May 31, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST
GILLIAM WITH TOM WAITS AS GANDALF
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Blow Peter Jackson's horseshit out of the water
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Oh yeah, that studio tanked, too.
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Even though Weta and Peter got his foot in the door. I really want Neil to do his own thing and I hope that every film he makes is not part of a franchise unless he started it. Seriously people have said oh he should do superman, No! He should do The Avengers. No!<P> <P> He should make his own damn films. Something totally him something original and new. Please dont geekmob him into a corner and force his hand. Let this man be his own. Please.
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As for the Kevin Smith suggestion, unless you want Bilbo smoking weed and saying "snootchie bootchies" no way in hell, Worst case Jackson directs...need to get going though I love Sir Ian, but he's not getting any younger.
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Neil dont do it man!!!! Peter please no.
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he should actually get working on the Fletch reimagining......Fletch Won primed for the making.
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Guillermo was the only thing that turned this project from a money-spinner into the chance of art. It will be shit now; good films don't get made in this slip-shod fashion.
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Del Toro's Hobbit would have been a jokey, clumsily directed mess just like all his English language films are.
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He is a God among directors.
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The iron Man guy should direct it.
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Minus Russel Crowe. Scott did a good job with 1985's Legend.
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May 31, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST
Whoever directs PLEASE use Ron Perlman as the voice of Smaug...
by beefywhore
thank you.
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He did Bridge to Terabithia. Or else Peter himself.
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He could cast Morgan Freeman as the Hobbit who spends 30 minutes explaining the special dragon-proof weave built into the Hobbit cloaks. Also,Bilbo has to spend the entire movie yelling at people in Christian Bales Batman voice!!!
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Dave McKean (MirrorMask); Ron Howard (Willow); Uli Edel (Ring of Nibelungs, etc.); Matthew Vaughn (Stardust); Timur Bekmambetov (Night Watch, etc.)
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Surely it'll be Neill Blomkamp (District 9). Bet on it.
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May 31, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST
WHAT ABOUT TOM TYKWER - PERFUME STORY OF A MURDERER?
by TehCreepyThinMan
That was a GREAT movie and very well Directed.
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I think he's done a very good job on the last two Harry Potter flicks.
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....this doesn't get made! Aside from Pan's Labyrinth (which is a fucking revelation, what has Del Toro really directed? The Hellboy movies? They really weren't that great. Someone said the LOTR haven't held up well as the years roll on. I agree with that statement. Once upon a time, I thought they were amazing! Now, I can't stand them!
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...where he said he isn't interested in making mega-budget blockbuster franchises. He wants to stick with the more modest budgets ($30-$40 mill) that allow a modicum of creative freedom. Let's hope he sticks to those guns</p> Then again, if they backed a truckload of money into his driveway, who could blame him for saying yes?</p> I still reckon Verbinski's the man for the job. A project this size, they need a capable director for hire, not an auteur. Although Cuaron would be a really interesting choice.
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....could balance the intrigue and action with all hobbit sentimentality bullshit Jackson will want to inject!
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Just saying...
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It only seems like it does. It took George a long time to figure that out, and look what that greed for money and power did to him, now he rots in a jail cell. Do what you do because you enjoy it.
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PJhas a great track record so far of getting directors and projects teamed up together just right then having the studio somehow fuck it up. Oh well, as interested as I was in Del Tero's take on middle earth, I think we can do without these films, maybe everyone should just drop it and move on. Amazing that a studio that had two LOTR movies and a James Bond movie on the horizon couldn't find money.
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.....notice that some guy named JettL took credit for doing a rewrite of the Hobbitt script or is it just me?
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And this shit wont happen to him as much as it is now. Adaptions are as bad as remake now. Do something new!!!!!!
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Damn You Michael Bay
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ago promoting Hobbit? lol.
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...calls for the skills of KEVIN SMITH!
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He was quoted saying something to the effect of 'I really don't like any of that fantasy stuff. Not into it'. Why anyone who wasn't into that stuff would ever be put in charge of making 'The Hobbit' is fucking ridiculously retarded. Him leaving this project probably saved us from an epic X-Men3 type letdown.
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what to do with. that is the problem behind this. Peter uses a lot of his earnings to buy more tools for weta. Like the computers and programs needed to make kong. See the money on his side is not the issue. It's the money the other side wants. They dont care about anything else, just the money, and how much they can keep. Thats all there is to it. Meanwhile Like Halo. Jackson and his crew and Del were bustng ass to make cool looking stuff to fill the world of the film. I feel bad for Jackson, he should keep doing it lucas style. Create his own properties and fund them, seek good talent to make them and then charge someone to distribute the final work.
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he has made one truly great film (pans) one good film (devils backbone) and the rest is pretty much horseshit.
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has experience in transitioning as a new director on a project that was having production problems: Ratatouille! If he wants a live action film, he should choose this one, not MI4! But if not Brad then definitely Alfonso Cuaron!
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Del toro and jackson have doen all the pre production work, just need someone who can direct it with style. I would love it to be any of the following. <p> Neill Blomkamp <p>Alfonso Cuaron <p>Sam Rami <p>Speilberg to come in and take over where Del Toro left. The guy works at a hell of speed and able to still produce stunning looking work. Jackson and the Berg had to have talked about it at some point in some way on tin tin. In fact the more I think about it the more I would love to see a Spielberg Hobbit with del toro designs and script treatment. Far out.
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Convert original LOTR trilogy to 3-D. Re-release in theatres. Make money. If Freaking Alice in Wonderland can reach $1 billion solely off of 3-D, then this shit should be able to bank some decent revenue to fun the production in its entirety. Add to that releasing the LOTR theaterical triogy on blu-ray, then the extended edition on blu-ray. Then the 3-D original trilogy on blu-ray 3-D, followed by the extended edition again in 3-D on blu-ray 3-D and that's enough milking to make some more and the fans will lap it up. Hobbit will also be in 3-D if they're smart, because it has a chance to top Avatar if they pull this shit off well! I displeased that del Toro can no longer do it. So now I guess the best bet is Peter Jackson... But keep del Toro involved in the art direction or at least keep the stuff he did. And I believe they're spreading the Hobbit out on 2 films primarily also to include bits of the Similarion in it as well.
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Tarsem...
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he can rub off another prequel
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not up front mula. they want long term shares in the film as well as mula. They want more points across the board than is reasonable.
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May 31, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST
give us X number of shares of tv/merch/food tie in/home media/pp
by TheJudger
on demand and so on. Long term returns.
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I remember James Cameron was saying how blown away he was by the art and models being developed. Get your act together MGM. Do you want a hit movie or not? I don't exactly see a slate of MGM films exploding at the box office. This is gutting!
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He could do with a hit as well.
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infowars.com
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May 31, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST
how about that guy that's directing Conan?
by LYNDSY_LOHANS_PROZAC_PRESCRIPTION
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That's why Pan's and Devil's Backbone are so fucking good. He should stay the fuck away from any adaptations or franchises and just do his own thing. Fuck Hellboy 3 and Doctor Strange.
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here's my list prioritized: 1. Michael Bay, of course. 2. JJ Abrams lens flare on glowing eyeballs would be sweet 3. Roland Emerich 10,000 B.C. was freakin epic 4. An up and coming music video director 5. um...well Dungeon Siege wasn't that bad.
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you lie when you say you proof-read
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Cuaron is so fucking overrated. Potter 3 was awful. Only the first 2 Potter films even resembled the fucking books. Lmao. Illiterate idiots.
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Spot on.
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...Ridley Scott?
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It's obvious that THE HOBBIT is heavily controlled by the accountants and beam counters. Those vultures must be smelling huge riches of the LOTR kind, and they must want to lead the movie in the "right" direction, or rather, the solely commercial direction. Any filmmaker with any artistic talent and integrity must feel that's it's pure hell to be working with the beam counters who are in charge of THE HOBBIT.<br><br>Don't be suprise if some hack will be chosen to direct THE HOBBIT. JJ Abrams, anybody? I bet the brainwashed geekoids must be clamoring for his name, as he's their favorite souless corporate used-cars-salesman hack of the moment.
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May 31, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST
MARTIN SCORSESE, DENIRO AS GANDALF DICAP AS BILBO
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
You ever seen what a Nazgul will do to a woman's pussy? Have you?
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He's familiar to fantasy movies. And it's not just the Harry Potter movie he directed, he also did THE LITTLE PRINCESS years before. And he's a fellow mexican and big friend of Gulhermo Del Toro and shares similiar sensibilities. And more importantly, he is one hell of a director. He did the best Harry Potter movie to date, and I'm still at awe of CHILDREN OF MEN since i first saw it.
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May 31, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST
JOE PESCI AS GOLLUM
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
This motherfucking ring, you believe this? Two fucking days and nights! Fuck me? *Fuck me?* You motherfucker!
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May 31, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST
If The Hobbit ends up being a Tim Burton movie (in 3D!)...
by Knuckleduster
... I think I'll just kill myself.
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the third film in del Toro's Spanish Civil War trilogy. I really hope he has time to focus on that now, as the project feels unfinished as is.
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This puzzles me too. Yeah, it WAS going to be the Hobbit in 1 film followed by some weird bridge/sequel film. But they announced ages ago that they'd changed it to be 2 films devited to The Hobbit. Does The Hobbit need 2 films? No, not if they're going to be as long as the LOTR ones were, but they could have done it it 2 2 hour films.
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LOTR is crap anyway
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My first thought (even before reading the comments) was "this project is so cursed, it feels like Terry Gilliam is already involved".<BR><BR>Everything I read suggests MGM's debt-holders are focused on the studio's library and have no interest in generating new IP. If that impression is true, pretty much all the fruit on the vine will wither and die and we might as well put away our expectations for a generation. The only sane people who would join the project now would be those willing to gamble their careers on long odds that the rights are quickly sold off.
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I'm probably the only here who's read that book, but it would make an excellent movie
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It makes me very happy that Del Toro won't be using up his time and talent on the Hobbit. I'm sure they would have been great films but I rather see more original output from him.
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He should make 2 Hellboys back to back before we lose Ron Perlman to age.
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I was really looking forward to Del Toro's Hobbit. But I also second Alphonso Cuaron to do it if Jackson still doesn't want to direct
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Nolan or Raimi. I'd rather Ratner did it.
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Hell, why not?
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Cuaron, Jackson, Blomkamp, Nolan, Ang Lee, Raimi, Gilliam, and about a fucking dozen others. How about this: neither I, nor any of you ignorant fucks, know what in the hell is going on. Pretending is for the Foo Fighters. Shut the fuck up. K great, settled.
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The Lord of the Rings made a billion fucking dollars.
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Spike Jonze. I second that.
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Del Toro has vision, for sure. But Hellboy II was ass. Jackson needs to get off his ass & earn a crust after Lovely Bones tanked.
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Just kidding.........
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Just kidding.........
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May 31, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST
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by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL
When you choke on your own rancid tongue, shoestrade19. You utter piece of fuck.
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But I don't actually want to see Del Toro's flaccid attempt to film the Hobbit.<p> Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy but the last thing I want to see is Bilbo and Elrond sitting drunk on Elven wine listening to Barry Manilow.....
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I was so looking forward to this. God damn it! Every single person that is responsible for this must be disemboweled.
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His visual sensibilities are pretty close to Del Toro's. Night Watch/Day Watch anyone? Considering this is co-written by Del Toro and most of his designs will probably still be used, I think Bekmambetov is the best choice.
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was extremely disappointing. It looked great. But the story was lacking. Did anyone else find the dubbing in that movie to be god awful? It was distracting from the point little Hellboy started talking. Terrible, terrible job.
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Though part of me wants Philip Ridley to direct these.
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of films that could have been great. A totally missed opportunity. See also: Sylvester Stallone as Han Solo, Eric Stoltz as Marty Mcfly, Warren Beatty as (Kill) Bill, Will Smith as Neo and Sean Connery as Gandalf.
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He handles large casts and action well, oh and I loved Hellboy II, ftr.
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I can't remember that GdT ever used hyperactive videoclip style editing and bullet times.<br> Also please kepp Nolan away from this. I don't want a Hobbit movie in which Smaug is a normal Komodo Dragon, because everything else would be "not realistic".
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...sink all your money into it and go for it. Screw the studios...you know you'll make a pile of money and the whole series will be yours.
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I never liked that Guillermo Del Toro was directing this instead of Peter Jackson. I don't think he would have done nearly as good a job as Jackson did. I have longed for Jackson to complete the Tolkien story in film and now is the chance. He's taken his "breather" with The Lovely Bones and King Kong ... please let him take over the Hobbit.
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C'mon, guys...There's WAY too much money to be made off these films for them to be put back on the shelf. PJ will take the helm.
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They already made a Hobbit movie.
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somebody needs to take this old dog 'round back and shoot it in the head. It had it's day but right now it's just holding up too many projects. The hobbit is falling apart and by the looks of things, Daniel craig will be the next timothy Dalton in terms of bond, by the time Bond 23 gets rolling it'll be a different actor cast in the part
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He'll bring some much needed SplatterSatire to the mix.
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Exhume the corpses of Divine and Edith Massey, bring them back to life. Edith can play Bilbo, and Divine can play, I dunno, some kind of fat elf fighter-magic-user with a Chaotic Sleazy alignment.
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The Hobbit is now a genre-hopping, anachronistic spaghetti western with LOTS of pop culture references.
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The Shire Chainsaw Massacre
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Meesa findsa magic wing? HEEE HOOO! HI HEE DIDDLY HEE HOO!
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With Jackson and his crew calling all the shots, does it really matter who sits in that chair? The real concern is if these legal delays will screw up the casting: McKellen and Weaving spring to mind right away.
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He took the lifeless corpse of the Harry Potter film franchise and breathed life into it, making it vital. Imagine what he could do with a franchise like this! Not to mention that his eye for extended, complex shots would fit nicely with Peter's. I would be happier for Alfonso than I was for Del Toro.
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There's only one person who can bring this project in. And he better start bulking up again...we want the Hobbit-in-Chief, JACKSON back. Oh yes, indeedy!
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you're right about only one thing...you don't get it.
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esp. after seeing Pan's Labyrinth, I thought he was perfect for the job. MGM is seriously fucking this up. They need to get the ball rolling before McKellen gets too old. Can't wait to see the battle of the 5 armies!!!!!
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I think he's guillermo's brother or something, so he's probabaly just as good of a director
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del toro would fuck the moonbeams up making hobbit. thank god.
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With a resume like IRON EAGLE II, SUPERMAN IV, and LADYBUGS, how can he miss?
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It doesn't look like they're happening any time in the near future. Best to put it out of our minds, because it looks like MGM is going toes up. I wonder which studio is going to fully pick up the James Bond film rights, although I know Sony had partial rights to the present Daniel Craig iteration of the franchise.
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Del Toro was not my preferred choice at all, I wanted Jackson because I want the movie to feel in sync with the previous movies--and Del Toro wouldn't have done that. But I am very disappointed that we've taken this backwards step, and I think it's just a short matter of time before they say it's not happening. Fuck the lawyers and other bitches stopping this from happening.
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I thought that would be obvious by now, the guy invested a huge chunk of his career and life into the first trilogy and its pretty damn clear aside from helping out he has no intentions of leading the project.
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It's psychedelic and retarded and awesome. Second place goes to the rotoscoped Bakshi LOTR flick - also psychedelic, retarded, and awesome. Then, sometime later, George Lucas, uh, I mean, Peter Jackson made his 18 billion hour long cgi DnD fetishist flicks, which, on the surface, were "good", but which I have NO DESIRE TO EVER WATCH AGAIN as they are WAAAAAAAAAAY too long, kindof dour, humorless, and self-important.
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That's the best hope The Hobbit has of existing, and it's the BEST choice.
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Because as we all know, it's better just to remake something then to do something original.
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I vote for him as well.
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That would be pretty fucking great! I had no idea GDT was looking into doing that. While I was reading it I kept thinking it would be a good project for Tim Burton, but Guillermo would be ideal. He needs to do that and now. Go win that Oscar, dude. <p> We've waited long enough for "The Hobbit" to get off the ground, so maybe it's time for Peter to just bite the bullet and do it his damned self.
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I can't tell.
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doing this. I bet it will be jackson
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as director, I've been trying to picture what his version of the spiders in the woods would look like. I guess now we'll never truly know.
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Check out "Andy Warhol's Dracula." It's wonderful!
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You're absolutely right. Though the LOTR trilogy is rich in so many ways, I can't bring myself to invest time in watchong them again. I've tried, but I justy don't want to sit through the whole thing and getting a friendship based morality lesson thrown at me.
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I think Hater's problem is he somehow confused Guillermo Del Toro with Benicio Del Toro.
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I am kind of excited by this news. Del Toro is one of the most original directors around, and while his Hobbit would have been incredible, I would much rather see some of the other projects he has announced, sooner rather than later. He needs to make Frankenstein, it truly is his dream project. He understands and connects with the story better than anyone since Shelley wrote the bitch. But if it were up to me, my Del Toro dream project would be an adaptation of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. Wait, did that just blow your mind a bit? Yeah, imagine what Del Toro could do with that!!! It would be epic. So yeah, Mr. Del Toro, either Swamp Thing or something original because Pan's Labyrinth is still your best work.
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I really had a feeling Del Toro was gonna walk. I pictured him locked in that shed out of Bad Taste hatching a plan to escape.
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.. a few posters have said Blompkamp, not too sure about that, he has made one movie so far.
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Alejandro Jodorowsky - how crazy would that be? No but seriously, they should get that Alan Smithee to do it. He's been around for years and has yet to make a bad film.
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.......Give it to Terry Gilliam. He can give it lots of wacky innovation, drag it from the shores of madness several times in ten minutes alone (and save his own audience from disappearing up his own arse!!), and no doubt he'll reign-in the Monty Python crew and much British talent at the same time as well!! Oh, then there's the matter of Brazil, Time Bandits, 12 Monkeys....... .......Need I say more?
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I would pay 10 TIMES THE NORMAL TICKET PRICE if Guillermo Del Toro directed the next Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie!<p> You hear that Hollywood, TEN TIMES!!!
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Cameron makes one film per decade, not two films at the same time. Why would he want to finish somebody else's project? <p> I honestly can't see any of the names being bandied about on this forum as possibilities. Tons of pre-production work has been done and the investors are going to start demanding some returns, so any director brought onboard at this stage will have to be available and ready to hit the ground running with somebody else's vision. It'll likely be someone from TV, or an Irvin Kershner type. <p> Also, Del Toro is juggling too many projects.
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How can Harry still think the second film is a bridge film? GDT and PJ have been saying otherwise for how many months now???
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Uwe Boll to direct The Hobbit.
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....Jackson might as well do it while he still has some market value! After King Kong and The Lovely Bones, he can't really claim to have any box office sway that doesn't have Tolkein's name attached.
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I doubt I'd watch it, but I'd pay to watch everyone's faces at the announcement!!
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King Kong was horribly overlong and utterly confused (tedious first hour; brilliant seocnd hour; and the rest was horrible), The Lovely Bones was a wrong project to begin with (that he shouldn't have even considered); there's a chance that he could do justice to The Hobbit, but he's far from Middle Earth.
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Imagine their faces if Paul(the shit one)Anderson was announced..
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That would be so funny!! I think I'd laugh harder than when Joe Swanson decided he'd have a pet parrot!!
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Lets face it, the scripts were in months ago, the design work is probably all but complete and once they get the dates fixed they can cast and it'll be away.<p> I'd opt away from PJ, he's good but why rely on 2-strike lightning? <p> The director you need is Terrence Malik.
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with lots of squibs and slow motion.
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I strongly believe that PJ knew from the beginning that the Hobbit project was going to be delayed for an undefined period of time,since the copyright dispute between MGM and New Line cinema was not going to end quickly.So he wisely chose not to participate in the making of the film directly and actively as a director because he knew that it was possible that the movie would never come to see the light of the day.Instead he chose a more passive and indirect way of controlling the project as an exec producer while he hired Del Toro to do the real,hard and time consuming job of making the film.<br /><P>I am almost sure that PJ convinced Del Toro to take the job of the director by reassuring him that the copyright problems would be quickly solved and the movie would be free to be made.Two years have passed since then,Del Toro did a lot of pre-production work but the movie still was not green-lighted yet.So Del Toro decided,even a bit late, to leave the project because he finally understood that he had fallen in a business nightmare that PJ had the wisdom and the knowledge to avoid from the start.<br /><p>But Del Toro has already spent 2 years from his life,2 years of hard work and love,2 years which he could easily use to make at least 2 other films,2 years which were for nothing,meaning that the rise of his career has been halted and delayed for 2 years.And now he starts from the scratch,since as Harry correctly said in his article,Del Toro lost,maybe for good this time,his chance to create a big name of himself which will give him the opportunity and the budget from the big studios to accomplish his personal lifetime projects (like Nolan already is doing with Inception).<br /><p>Thats why i consider that the real sad news are that Del Toro's career has been ruined (at least a bit),and not that the Hobbit will be delayed once more since the movie will eventually happen.And i condiser PJ responsible for these bad news about Del Toro.
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He sucks when he collaborates with no talent hacks, but it is wonderful when his vision is combined with a true visionary. Bring Kerh out of retirement and let him show us that ESB wasn't a fluke!
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Not sure if "My Best Friend/Rosenthaler Suite" is happening, and I'd like to see his take on a big-budget film. The obvious choice, IMO, would be Alfonso Cuaron... <p>How about Gore Verbinski, since he has experience with effects and is basically a (very talented) gun-for-hire? I wouldn't go with Raimi, as he can't stop himself from laying on the cheese. Maybe a relatively new talent who's about to break out, like Carl Erik Rinsch, or someone who's fairly new to the scene like Neil Blomkamp, (although isn't he doing his own film through 2011)?
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who made that movie that won that award
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Somebody please put MGM out of its misery.
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May 31, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST
Louis Leterrier - Clash of the Titans (2010) was great
by NotAuthorized02
He should direct
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no, he lost the ability to cast a film
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I love Dan Simmons' work! I would love to see the Endymion books made. Don't see it happening, but they are some damn good books. I could see Blompkamp on the Hobbit as well. He's pals with Jackson, and knows how to work the action without forgetting the humanity of the characters...even the exoskeleton'd ones.
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its the only way to be sure,that he movie wont suck.
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HERE ON THIS SITE ? THAT MOVIE IS FUCKIN A YEAR OLD. JUST ZAP THESE STUPID ADS WE DON'T WANT THOSE CRAPPY TOYS
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we'll get Topher Grace as Bilbo, John Malkovitch as Bard the Bowman, Allison Lohman as Azog the Goblin, and Bruce Campbell as everyone else in a series of increasingly ridiculous cameos.
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why the hell not?
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i was going to write something similar.you are completely right with what you say.
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I was just leafing through the book again after having not read it for a while. I'm convinced that padding The Hobbit padding out into 2 movies will be disastrous. <p> Consider: <p>The first film has to end with Smaug's death. Frankly, after that, there's nothing left to sustain a movie. The result of adding more scenes will be to create 2 boring movies instead of 1 awesome movie. <p>Aside from Smaug's defeat, dramatically and structurally, there is no other place to end the first movie. All the chapters that occur prior to Dale/ Lake Town/ Lonely Mountain are like little self-contained episodes: the dwarves, the spiders, the trolls, the goblins, gollum, wood elves, etc. The structure of the story is defined by the quest, and if the first film ends before reaching the quest objective, the film will lack cohesion. Audiences and critics will feel cheated, confused, or just disappointed, especially since there is nothing in the book up to that point that we haven't already seen in LotR. The whole first film sans Smaug would just feel like a bunch of outtakes from LotR. <p> Now, think about the second film. If the first film ends with the Party's arrival in Dale, this will create even more pacing problems for the second movie. You can't start the second film with the Battle against Smaug, because that's the climactic heart of the story. Smaug is the reason we want -we need- to see The Hobbit on film. After Smaug is defeated, everything else is just denouement, which will leave us with a great movie that starts out awesome and then takes forever to end. Even assuming they stretch the battle of Lake Town out for an hour, the rest of the movie would just be a bore... we've already seen enough big battles in LotR, nobody is longing to see another one, especially when the story's protagonist, Bilbo, opts to sit the battle out. When the Eagles come to save the day AGAIN (!!!), audiences may even get pissed. <p> Instead of dropping out, Del Toro should have renegotiated and made just one film (to rule them all).
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May 31, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST
How about the guy who directed the 2003 version of PETER PAN?
by AsimovLives
He did a hell of a job with that Peter Pan movie, for sure. It looked great, it had the right amount of both children fantasy movie and scary for kids while at the same time being very charming and pretty fast paced.
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To summarize my overlong and poorly written previous comment: <p> You can't divide The Hobbit up into 2 movies without breaking the structure. The battle with Smaug is the climax of the story. If you kill him in the first movie, the second movie will be boring and unnecessary. If you kill him in the second movie, the first movie will be boring, and the second movie will be an unstructured mess.
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The problem is not that movie is one year old, but that it's a pile of shit. Who needs more reminds of that crap?
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I have read the book a long time ago, so i might have forgotten some details, but is it not true that after the slaying of Smaug (SPOILER!), there's still quite some chapters until the ending, and a big ass battle as well?
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if i remember correctly there are some Dwarf clans which want to take Smaug's treasure as their own.Eventually there is a huge battle between the dwarfs and one of the dwarfs from Bilbo's group who is also the king of one of the clans,manages to win the battle but with the cost of his life.something like that.
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HB1 and HB2 although entertaining movies,they were very mediocre films and terrible adaptations of the comics.no thanx.
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You're joking, right? About having to know the source material to like the Hellboy films? Because if you do know the source material, then there is no way you can be anything but disgusted by how those "Hellboy" movies turned out. Del Toro's "Hellboy" movies are nothing but monster movies with silly stereotyped characters, whereas the comics actually some some nuance. I'm sick and tired of all the praise those films receive.
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His film making is brilliant and he can certainly handle putting his own touch on a franchise while still keeping the spirit of the text. If not GDT then AC all the way.
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...OR CUARON...
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Yes, the book carries on for 5 chapters after Smaug is defeated, but its all denouement. <p>In a nutshell: The Dwarves get their gold, but the wood elves and humans demand a share of it. Bilbo tries to get Thorin to share the gold by stealing a precious heirloom from Thorin's family. His trick fails and the Dwarves prepare for battle. Gandalf appears at the last moment and tells the armies of the humans, elves and dwarves that the Goblins are coming, and the three forces band together against the goblins. Battle is fierce. Then, the Eagles arrive and save the day(again). Bilbo sits out the battle, but reconciles with Thorin when he finds him dying. The gold is divided among the races, and bilbo goes home. Gandalf visits Bilbo in his home many years later to tell him of news of Dale. The End.<p> THis isn't enough to pad out a full movie. Rankin Bass wisely cut this battle down to a few minutes. Again, we've seen all of this before in LotR, so I don't think another battle will have the same dramatic impact that it did before.
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That's one hell of an accusation you've got going on there. It's certainly more cynical than Asi's vapid bean-counter theory. I don't know if you're familiar with him but you're definitely encroaching on Ringbearer9-like territory with that one.
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This is shitty news, i was really looking forward to this, my thoughts were that Del toro's Middle earth would probably be even more breathtaking than Jackson's.
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accusation of what?
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Sorry; your post at 10:31:07 AM.
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Give me a break. The only thing people talk about when bringing up his movies is "creature designs". Apparently they "invoke a sense of wonder" and blah blah blah.<p><p>A talented production and design team does not a good movie make. Nor a good director. I've never found the designs in his films to be that imaginative anyway. How difficult is it to string together a random group of physical traits and suddenly end up with something that looks "unique"? It ends up being an overbearing cry for attention and appreciation from the wanna-be "artsy" community that ultimately falls on deaf ears.<p><p>I'm glad this idiot didn't get this movie. That guy can't tell a good story to save his life. And don't play the Pan's Labyrinth card, a movie that was decent at best.
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Confirms that the guy is sensible on top of being hugely talented and intelligent. I hope he makes one of his "smaller" personnal projects next, and exactly as he wants it.
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Jack Black singlehandedly ruined KK for me. And Mark Wahlberg and Rachel Weisz make for the two worst grief stricken parents in film history! Mark went from the Happening to this without changing blank expressions.
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Just sayin'.
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Very nicely put. Del Toro's films are alright visually, but that's it. Nothing groundbreaking. I think geeks just like the guy because he uses practical effects. Whatever. Give me a well designed CG monster over a badly thought out practical effect any day. Del Toro's monsters seem to rely on having eyes where eyes aren't "supposed" to be. Yeah, good job on that. Hack work for sure.
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You are getting stupid. Next time, you will say water is not wet because i say it is. Stop with that shit, it makes you look dumb.
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prove it.Prove to me that when you spend 2 years of your life to work on something and eventually this turns out to be for nothing,then this event wont harm at all your career.<br /><p>I didnt say that PJ deceived on purpose Del Toro in any way,i am pretty sure that they are still very good pals,but on the other hand i dont think that PJ was very sincere with him when he hired him for the job.<br /><p>Think it the other way: PJ at least did a film in those 2 years.How many films Del Toro did in the same time? none.So did the whole situation worked well for both men? no. and thats what i am pointing out,that from the whole Hobbit fiasco the only loser until now is mr Del Toro and for that i consider PJ responsible although i strongly believe that he never wanted for the things to end like this.<br /><p>so there.
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I couldn't disagree with you more about Gulhermo Del Toro. And his spanish language movies stuff, that's not arty, that's PROPER FILMMAKING from an intelligent and well educated man. And even those, ther eis not one single Del Toro's movie that's arty. All his movies are made for a large audience, including the spanish language ones.<br><br>"How difficult is it to string together a random group of physical traits and suddenly end up with something that looks "unique"?"<br><br>From what we can see from the vast majority of the Hollywood blockbuster movies, very fucking hard. Which makes another reason to admire Guilhermo Del Toro.
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Good job. Not that wasn't already infered by your previous post, i found it quite clear what you meant to say.
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And hopefully there would be about 8 hours of it directing in the making of documentary footage included on the DVD/BR releases. That would certainly assure all parties involved make the profits they're looking for.
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I wasn't addressing you.
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Relax, killer! I wasn't attacking you. You may not have intended to say that Jackson intentionally deceived Del Toro but you certainly implied it with your initial post. And now you're saying that you don't believe that Jackson was sincere with Del Toro and that you hold Jackson responsible. So... ?<P>Anyway, there is no way in Hell that this circumstance is something either of those men wanted. To suggest otherwise is kind of insane. And, for the most part, I agree that spending 2 years of your life on a project for nothing is a huge loss to your career both artistically and financially. Then again, this kind of stuff happens all the time in Hollywood and I'm sure Del Toro will be just fine doing the other types of films he wants to do.
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May 31, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST
no one likes LOTR, it was a waste of money new line cinema knows
by DioxholsterReturns
lets kill it before it happens again.
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Please exit out of the Stargate of your choice and die.<P>Thanks!
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Sorry, not convinced. You just completely validated 11ZOMBIES's point, which I wholeheartedly echo.<p><p>The people that sit around and cry about CGI are the ones who forcibly find artistic merit in the visual effects of DT's films. I don't know if it just makes you feel more like a "real film-lover" or what, but the fact that you're using the rest of Hollywood to attempt to prove that this guy is worth a damn entirely sums up how empty your point is.<p><p>That's not to say that I'm not one who believes that filmmakers should rely more on visual effects. I don't think there are too many people who would argue against that. But there are plenty who let their "quest for artistic integrity in Hollywood" blind them to the fact that some things just aren't as great as they think after you strip away the self-created delusion of artistic merit.<p><p>Besides, if your basis for defending his skill as a director comes from the production design of his films, then you've got your departments confused. You clearly cited some of his previous work, probably some of which I've never seen (giving you the benefit of the doubt, since I've yet to see a movie of his that contains actual directorial vision). So you may be right on that, I can't really say.<p><p>I'm mostly speaking to the general praise he somehow receives from the people who only know him by his American-released films- praise that is mindbogglingly undeserved by every conceivable and logical standard.
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isn't that still illegal vagina?<p> I forget how old the Potter *kids* are
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Stat!
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...and I wish that he were not associated with the Hobbit. He has NO feel for the true meaning of the stories, and waters the whole thing down with mindless action scenes that were BARELY even a part of the actual books. There is no sense of the "journey", which is the whole point of the stories. If Tolkien had lived to see any of this, he would be truly heartbroken, and the statements made by his family have proven that.
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That's one hell of a shitty hack.
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Now THAT would be fucking AWE-SOME!
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Yeah, I mean, I recognize the craft and care that went into the films, and I enjoyed them when I watched them, but one viewing was enough. I did watch ROTK twice, though -- first in the theatres, and then I watched the extended one when it came out on dvd. It was during this second viewing that I realized I never wanted to watch any of them ever again.
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The films are way better than the books. Sure I enjoyed them as a kid - until I realized how tediously self indulgent and repetitive all the bloody prose is. Someone should just novelize the movies ;)
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Just kidding.
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So, who does it well, currently, in your opinion? Cos in my book, DelToro movies (except prehaps Mimic & HBII) hit pretty much all of the notes solidly: direction, script, acting, design, editing, photography, music, effects (sometimes meh because of rushed CG).
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May 31, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST
Thall_Joben: What, you don't like 1000 page dinner parties?
by Royston Lodge
Imagine that...
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..that Frankenstein is on the way? Would one monster be enough for Del Toro? He seems to like them..
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To be honest, I remember LOTR as getting a great reception when the movies were first being released. Obviously there was the predictable backlash from die-hard fans of the book, but most fans of the original story seemed pleased, at least from what I could tell.<p><p>But now you have people like Ironhelix saying that the movies have no sense of journey or emotion, which seems to be the opposite consensus from the one when the movies were first released. I remember all that anyone could even talk about was the emotion and the sense of journey.<p><p>In retrospect, I think these things were praised so highly because A) no one expected it and B) movies of that genre typically lacked genuine emotion in favor of cheesy fairytale story lines. Basically, the bar was set so low (as far as film goes), the end result was surprising.<p><p>Honestly I loved the movies when they were first released. I just don't feel they age very well. Some of the ultra slow-mo scenes and tacked-on battles don't have the same impact that they used to. And what's left is a good fantasy movie with great effects, but overall a very basic approach as far as storytelling, directing, and production design.<p><p>So while I don't think PJ is right for Hobbit, I'm not quite ready to jump aboard the LOTR hate train. I can appreciate it for what it was, even if it doesn't hold up as well over time as other classics.
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Fuck those guys. You know their pet-name for rabid LOST fans? LOSERS. Get it? But I can get behind Emma Watson's vagina...I mean there's a director I can really get in to...perfect choice to fill the gaping hole left by GDT.
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May 31, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST
Gaius there are 2 reasons why i believe that PJ was not sincere
by ominus
<p>First of all,he was never willing to direct Hobbit from the start.He had proved with the best way,that he is the most capable and suitable man to adapt Tolkiens work into the big screen.Warner/New Line would have thrown gold at his feet in order to direct the new movie.But he didnt want to participate directly in the project,and that always looked strange to me.<br /><p>Secondly,why on earth do you hire someone to direct a movie,when its a well known fact that the movie can not be green-lighted not before the copyright dispute is resolved? And we all know how crazy the studios go when copyrights are involved with their properties,especially with gigantic movie properties like LOTR/Tolkien.Even already filmed movies have not been released for years in the cinema or in the dvd format because of copyright problems,and you go and hire a director for a project which is in a legal turmoil?.<br /><p>I understand that the above reasons might be false and that the reality might be completely different,but from my perspective its this impression that i get: PJ as a big insider in the whole matter,knew how difficult was the whole situation and instead of waiting for things to permanently settle down,he made the mistake to hire a director for a project which was going to get delayed for an undefined period of time.Did he warned Del Toro for the implications of the project and its uncertain future? i think not,i think he didnt tell him the whole truth.anyway thats my opinion.
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yesssssssss
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that the LOTR although a well-crafted trilogy,is very overrated and a terrible adaptation of Tolkien's true meaning of his books.<br /><p>and this comes from someone who was a huge fan and supporter of PJ's films when they came out,but now that time has passed and the fanboy inside me has calmed down,i have rediscovered the true quality and appeal of the movie trilogy.good fantasy flicks but they pale compared to Tolkien's masterpiece work.
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May 31, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST
Vincent Gallo, blech. The Room > Brown Bunny
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
At least "The Room" was entertaining..."Brown Bunny" was just 90 minutes of Vinny Gallo blowing himself...and 5 minutes of Chloe Sevigny blowing him.
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And that's why it's YOUR book. =p<p><p>Again I think your statement speaks to why some people latch onto Toro's work. The creativity well in Hollywood is so dried up it's easy to jump onto the "compared to the crap that Hollywood usually produces, this guy is a cinematic genius" bandwagon. But to me, that doesn't give someone a free pass.<p><p>I haven't been all that impressed with the scores of Toro's films, nor the pacing, nor the writing. But then again, many of the areas you listed are outside of the director's responsibility. So while you don't get to praise the director for the quality of the effects or the soundtrack, I don't get to criticize him because of them either.
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LORT is that other project PJ worked on. You remember that one.
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May 31, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST
Lamberto Bava's The Hobbit with music by Goblin
by The_Floating_Skull_of_Robert_Loggia
Starring three Italian guys no one's ever heard of, shot on video in Jess Franco's backyard, and set in the distant future.
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May 31, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST
Tyler Perry's "Hobbit Gotta Give"
by The_Floating_Skull_of_Robert_Loggia
Starring Tyler Perry as Gandalf, and every black actor or actress you can think of. The Orcs will be played by white people.
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Tyrese as Bilbo, Ving Rhames as Beorn, Snoop Doggy Dog as Gandalf. The Orcs will be played by white people.
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What do you mean 'there might be a problem with that'?
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""The Golden Compass" is a darker, deeper fantasy epic than the "Rings" trilogy, "The Chronicles of Narnia" or the "Potter" films. It springs from the same British world of quasi-philosophical magic, but creates more complex villains and poses more intriguing questions. As a visual experience, it is superb. As an escapist fantasy, it is challenging. Teenagers may be absorbed and younger children may be captivated; some kids in between may be a little conflicted, because its implications are murky."
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Ebert was letting his politics cloud his aesthetic judgement.
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direct it. They spent enough time on it, should be able to direct one of these in their respective sleep. Watson's vagina is better served resting on my face.
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Do you not remember the lawsuit between Jackson and New Line regarding certain royalties from FOTR? Sounds to me like you either don't know about or don't recall the circumstances surrounding Jackson's primary reason from distancing himself from directing THE HOBBIT. And yes, the studio did try to "buy him off" but he held his ground citing that a huge paycheck was not reason enough to make a film. It was kind of a big story and if you look into it, it probably won't seem so strange to you.<P>The situation with MGM is different than what transpired earlier and that's why they were able to move forward with pre-production. But the idea that Jackson willfully deceived Del Toro or that Del Toro allowed himself to be easily conned into wasting his time is kinda out there, man. I've no idea what is giving you this impression. It's pretty clear that everyone thought the legal stuff would've been resolved in a more timely fashion.
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Because 4 foot tall Hobbitses could pass for tween girls. Win-Win!
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"For christ's sake, Roman, keep your dick in your pants! We're trying to make a movie!"
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Who does it well in YOUR book? What are your criteria? I maintain that Del Toro has talent up to his eyeballs, that most of his movies are solid, entertaining, full of art AND heart, earnest and honest. And I like that.
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I do think they captured a lot of Tolkien's world and the meanings contained within. In some instances, they accomplished this even better than the books. But the films are more of a singular experience; one that can consume 9 hours should you choose to watch it from beginning to end. I can understand why some may have trouble revisiting the films (they are patient and immersive) but I don't understand the now revisionist viewpoint expressed by some with regards to their overall quality. Then again, this is AICN...I'm not surprised.
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May 31, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
JettL1993 - I'm Peter Jackson and I have no idea who you are
by BetterCallSaul
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who would have thought that two much praise might be harmful to a franchise. no one after that wanted to waste his money on the DVD set
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"The Hobbit" is boring as fuck as a book, and it will be boring as fuck as a motion picture.
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Was Del Toro just sitting at the script table one day and then Jackson kicks down the door, screaming, "LEMMIE AT THE SCRIPT!" And Del Toro backs away with his arms held in the air, "AH! PLEASE DON'T BEAT ME AGAIN, MR. JACKSON!! AHH!!" *thcwack, thcwack, tchwack!* "IT'S MY GODDAMN WORLD AND I LOVE IT SO GIMMIE THE SCRIPT!!" "PLEASE, SIR! MERCY, I PLEAD!!" And so forth.
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Finish the Hell, Guilermo boy. Hated the first 1, loved the 2nd and hope he'll pitt the 3rd against the next Batman. That would be a Summer B.O. of the Titans.
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they hump your legs when you sleeping.
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suffered from Hollywood gigantism and lack of substance.
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What is this revisonist crap regarding LOTR? The usual ultra-negative talkback palaver, I'd imagine. Got to laugh at someone saying above that that consensus had swung the other way regarding the films and that they were no longer highly regarded, or that they were only good because most fantasy films have historically been terrible. No, the LOTR movies are still highly regarded in the real world - this is another case of talkbackers confusing geek forums with reality.<p>The LOTR films were borderline masterpieces. They had flaws, particularly some repetitve parts and some of Jackson/Walsh/and Boyce's 'additions', but overall they were far greater than the sum of their parts, and yes, they absolutely nailed the spirit and intent of the books, if not the exhaustive cornucopia of detail present in them. It seems that this site has become so overwhelmingly negative that the only things that now receive unequivocal praise are films made before 1985, where the rose-tinted nostalgic memories from childhood come into play - ie. the recent gushing thread about Empire.<p>Finally, Ironhelix, not only do you have NO idea what Tolkien would have thought of Jackson's efforts, what you say is also factually incorrect. While the Tolkien family- especially Christopher Tolkien- never explicitly endorsed or slated the LOTR movies while they were in production other than a few statements preaching caution or the apparent unsuitability of Tolkien's works to be translated to film (and even that, in truth, was more to do with legal wranglings, and their desire for a greater cut of the profits to be made from the movies, than any legitimate artistic concerns), it is known that off the record they were VERY impressed with the care, respect and craft that Jackson had shown to JRR's work after they had fianlly viewed the end results. Tolkien's great-grandson, who had a bit part in one of the movies, confirmed it. So that's a clear case of you projecting your own feelings about the movies onto them without a shred of evidence.
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Speaking of stuff you only see on AICN talkbacks and the internet - only internet / talkbackers actually like the "Oh, dear lord, why doesn't it end?!" last 20 minutes of Return of the King. I've never met a single real-life person who actually likes the ending that never ever ends.
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May 31, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST
the final moments of ROTK were the worst in film history
by DioxholsterReturns
you just wanted them to all die like in hamlet, because really once the ring is gone, all that shit becomes pointless, even those hobbit characters returned to being small again in the viewers eyes. it was fucking sad.
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Lucas dropped the ball, Star Trek is just being reborn (and a bit too much jokes for my taste), Serenity didn't do the work. We need a NEW UNIVERSE. We need him to do this.
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Seriously Harry... is there anything to be relieved about? are you kidding yourself? I love DelToro's work, and love to see him do more of that, but the Hobbit had potential to be absolutely incredible. In fact, I think his style lends itself better to the material than Jackson... anyways, I am bummed about this. Smaug... thorugh Deltoro's vision would've been incredible.
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Although I'm glad to see him doing other films, to be honest his time has already been horribly wasted - it's a good while since Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy 2, which were both great movies. DAMN YOU MGM-TROUBLE!
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the only thing that is a fact,is that Del Toro is the only loser from this mess.
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its the best right now: <P> http://tinyurl.com/ykvfums
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It's THAT bad. They killed Hobbit. They killed BOND.
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From http://tinyurl.com/296tery :<BR><BR>It's called "blockbuster backlash," and it's not a new phenomenon. I actually found an essay I wrote in early 2005 about this, which stated that "the Lord of the Rings backlash has only recently started." Can you find anyone, film critic or otherwise, who still admits to loving or even liking "Independence Day," "Jurassic Park," "Titanic" or the "Lord of the Rings" series? Someone did back in the day, as those films made tons of money, back in the olden days when it wasn't so easy to gross $200 million, let alone $300-$600 million. But since it's considered uncool to like something so beloved by the masses, blockbuster backlash has set in, swinging the pendulum in the other direction. What starts as "Oh, it wasn't that great" quickly turns into "That movie was terrible." The tide of critical opinion almost immediately turns, so that the focus on these films revolves purely on the technical merits, with snide disdain at the idea that the films succeeded for any reasons related to character, story or craftsmanship. <BR><BR> "Oh, those films were just about the battle scenes," says someone who bawled like a baby during the finale(s) of "Return of the King." "Oh, it was just the groundbreaking FX of the dinosaurs," says another who gripped their seat in terror during the raptor kitchen attack in "Jurassic Park." We immediately forget that these films were not only popular with the masses, but with the critics too. "Titanic" received rave reviews upon its release. "Jurassic Park" received solid notices too. And each of the "Lord of the Rings" films was greeted with a wave of "I can't believe Peter Jackson pulled this off" hysteria, to the point that "Return of the King's" Oscar triumph was a foregone conclusion. Just you wait: The tide is already starting to turn against "The Dark Knight" ("It only made so much money because Heath Ledger died"), and I can only presume that "Avatar" is next on the chopping block ("People only went because of the 3D effects," which explains why "Captain Eo" was the century's top-grossing film). <BR><BR> This isn't a case of people who disliked the film from the get-go voicing their opinions louder than everyone else. This is a case of mass amnesia that renders any prior smash hit as something to be disdained by the critical elite, which then filters down to the general public.
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at least from the old ones who know what good cinema looks like.
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and avoids shit like Kick Ass. Also, people who like movies only to hate them years later are the same people who elect people like George Bush President.
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the one which also likes Twilight?
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No, the Star Wars prequels were not that well received by 'real' people, either.
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May 31, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST
A majority of critics disliked SW from the beginning
by Le Vicious Fishus
And the SW films were a brand new phenomenon in the film world. Didn't really make a difference what the critics thought.
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Star Wars is way more inspiring, inspired a whole generation in fact, while LOTR was a one hit wonder in 2005 and ended right after. the story is thin, and nothing can change that
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Quote: "...the only thing that is a fact,is that Del Toro is the only loser from this mess."<P>Really? I mean, I agree somewhat...but you don't think that everyone else involved in the production shares some of that disappointment?<P>As for your "whatever", I guess the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
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May 31, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST
RPLocke: Diebold computer voting machines elected Bush
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Not ignorant Americans. The biggest threat facing us today is imminent race war: Carlos Mencia and Robert Rodriguez have primed the latino masses to rise up against their white oppressors. WE DON'T HAVE TO TIME TO WORRY ABOUT THE HOBBIT MOVIE!
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were always ambitious and at times truly wonderful, but--overall--did not hold together well (especially in ROTK).<BR><BR>FELLOWSHIP was the only great film among the three.<BR><BR>Felt that way when I saw all 3--feel that way now.
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May 31, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
Kick-Ass mocked comic books and the people who read them
by DioxholsterReturns
thats why it should be ignored
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And Tom Hollander as Bilbo!
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May 31, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST
Le Vicious Fishus---- i feel the same way about fellowship
by DioxholsterReturns
the first one was the only good one.
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Quote: "Star Wars is way more inspiring, inspired a whole generation in fact, while LOTR was a one hit wonder in 2005 and ended right after. the story is thin, and nothing can change that"<P>Not only do you have the date wrong, but the stupidity in your statement cannot be outmatched.<P>I hear Stargate is getting cancelled again.<P><P><P> <P>Just kidding! You can pull the gun out of your mouth!
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FIRST: The second Hobbit Film is still The Hobbit, not the bridge as most have said. This was reported and brought up as an idea by both Peter and his co, but as of right now, the two scripts are the Hobbit Story line, with things thrown in here and there. SECOND: This project could very well be dead, but as for the writing portion of the movies, GDT is STILL onboard. He will finish the scripts in their rewrite process with Peter. THIRD: Alfonso Couran would be an amazing choice.
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These days some Star Wars fans claim to hate it and ESB is now the most popular SW film. Go figure.
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He's what this project needs. Also, please stay loyal to the book and dont LOTR the whole darn thing. This is a whimsical adventure about a charming, easily flappable little fellow... NOT A PREQUEL.
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...shake off the more recent albatross of shit movies he has thrown around his neck?
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May 31, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST
In reality, it'll either be PJ or Blomkamp when it should be eit
by planetran_fan
Terry Gilliam or Timur Bekmambetov
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Is one of the most disappointing Spielberg movies. Once the novelty of the CG dinosaurs passed, there wasn't much left, except the kitchen scene, where the ILM guys seemingly shouted "Stevie, wake up! You can take your movie back now..."
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Figures.
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I had been drinking the night before. For some reason she looked so beautiful that night. More so through the night. It might have been due to a full moon or secret potion. Doesn't matter. The next morning I woke up. Saw what was beside me and left. Still haven't fully recovered from that experience.
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Looking just at the book itself, the halfway point in the Hobbit occurs when Gandalf leaves the group just before they enter Mirkwood. Obviously, they can't end it there. Really the Spiders of Mirkwood and the capture of the dwarves by the elves would be a good place to end. Remember there is a lot of "extra" plot they were throwing in there, including Gandalf entering the Necromancer's fortress, determining he is actually Sauron, retrieving the map from Thorin's father, all before the Hobbit proper. Then, once he leaves the dwarves, he goes to meet with the White Council, and while Bilbo and Co. are sneaking into the Lonely Mountain, the White Council drive the Necromancer from his fortress. Add the battle of the five armies to the end and it's definitely enough for two movies. <p> It's also completely unnecessary...
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I can put them in and start watching and I'm sucked right in. They are classics. Beautiful. Poetic. Fun. I love them. I hope Peter directs but if he doesn't then my heart is set on Cuaron. I still think The Little Princess is the best children's film ever made.
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May 31, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST
Mr. Nice Gaius- who cares, my point was that it was forgattable
by DioxholsterReturns
and i totally forgot it. the only cool thing about the movies were the new zealand landscape which seemed unique at the time. we mention Star Wars here because at them time many people said LOTR gave star wars a run for its money and that just turned out to be such bullshit. <p> very few people care whether hobbit movies gets made, no one really liked these little midgets. they are like the ewoks of LOTR universe.
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I love both of these directors but both of them would have to not be who they are to properly direct a hobbit film.
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Cuaron's take on a Potter film was fantastic, but his real gem is The Little Princess.
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GET DANTE ON THIS SHIT. him or george lucas
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What the fuck kind of bullshit are YOU talking about? Jurassic Park REMAINS one of the best sci-fi adventures recorded on celluloid, let alone hands-down the best and only legitimate live-action movie about dinosaurs. It's not perfect, but it's perfectly entertaining. As for this BS about critics who reneg on their opinions about box-office hits, who really gives a fuck at the end of the day? Movies will make money or they won't, what really matters is how they endure in the minds of people, and the collective culture of the general public. Movies like Titanic, Independence Day, and Jurassic Park will always remain as benchmarks in time, just like music is a good reference point for who you were, who you knew, and what you were doing WHETHER OR NOT they were masterpieces. I resent that comment, sir.
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What the fuck kind of bullshit are YOU talking about? Jurassic Park REMAINS one of the best sci-fi adventures recorded on celluloid, let alone hands-down the best and only legitimate live-action movie about dinosaurs. It's not perfect, but it's perfectly entertaining. As for this BS about critics who reneg on their opinions about box-office hits, who really gives a fuck at the end of the day? Movies will make money or they won't, what really matters is how they endure in the minds of people, and the collective culture of the general public. Movies like Titanic, Independence Day, and Jurassic Park will always remain as benchmarks in time, just like music is a good reference point for who you were, who you knew, and what you were doing WHETHER OR NOT they were masterpieces. I resent that comment, sir.
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Look at Into The Wild.
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as two films, that is, unless you want a meandering, hypervisualized franchised product. What happened to the days of movies owning up to their own ingenuity without becoming packaged as products? Is this the effect of American capitalist mentality that yearns for the more-extra-bigger-reimagining-sequelworthy paint-by-numbers shit that everyone's getting used to these days? I don't need two Hobbit movies after the overending that was the last 20-something minutes of Return of the King. Make it epic, not too long, and self-contained. After all, didn't anyone actually READ The Hobbit? It's not the longest yarn of complex storytelling that SCREAMS 6-hour play-by-play...
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>>Movies like Titanic, Independence Day, and Jurassic Park will always remain as benchmarks in time In what world do you live? Walmart's bargain bin? Or are you just pulling my leg?
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BOYCOTT MGM, they are the problem. If you agree type in BOYCOTT.
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May 31, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST
MGM kept STARGATE alive for 16 years!!!!! MGM is a God!!!
by DioxholsterReturns
leave MGM alone! yeah i agree they fucked up Bond really good but they still got Stargate and thats pretty awesome in my book.
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to save the project http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/3760208/Peter-Jackson-may-direct-Hobbit
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NO HOBBIT, NO PEACE! NO HOBBIT, NO PEACE! NO HOBBIT, NO PEACE!
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Correction, sir, THAT is Spielberg's epic fail. Being a lover of the medium and a filmmaker myself, I find it important to step outside of my own preferences and recognize that people with more than a general awareness of the movie-making process tend to have film tastes that fall into two categories: personal favorites and bona-fide classics, which often are NOT the same things for the general public, which is to say, most people. Of the three movies in question, I enjoy Jurassic Park the most, mainly because as a kid I wanted to be a paleontologist and read the book the summer of 1993 when that movie came out. Sure, it's not the most compelling example of celluloid, but don't discount what level a movie works on for the majority: entertainment that in its best light reflects some truth about life as we know it. Genetics was a relatively new concept to the general public back then, and that movie, in my opinion, did a decent job of doing what Spielberg was once genius at: bringing fantastical circumstances down-to-earth in a way that was thrilling. You can't tell me that T-Rex escape in the rain isn't totally awesome.
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You're now entering The Twilight Zone
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The Reverse of the Medal! Give us more aubrey/maturin.
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cause damn that movie blew.
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Cauron is an excellent choice, probably the best other than PJ, and I'd be curious to see Verbinski challenge himself with the material. And as for the reality I live in, I live in a reality where I appreciate filmmakers creating movies that entertain and move me. I'm past my film school days of unwittingly becoming a pretentious and picky film snob that knows too much about the process, so I can settle in appreciating movies for what they are, especially in a world where there is so much more to be disappointed about.
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i am very bored right now to even make an effort to reply to what you wrote.especially when i dont give too much fuck about your opinion.yeah its now your turn to think of a nice comeback to what i just said.until then i am going to get some sleep.cheerio.<br />
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give it to any of these guys. Maybe even Blomkamp too. So sad to see Del Toro out of this, and Jackson not stepping up either. But they completed all the designs and everything. Just give it to a director with good visual flair and run with it. Boo MGM.
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Jesus...just imagine.
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I defend Guilhermo Del toro because of all aspects of his movies. Though to be fair, i'm mor eof a fan of his spanish speaking movies then his english speaking movies. I found all of his english speaking movies to be visually inventive but flawed.<br><br>His speanish spoken movies, however, is another matter. It's as if he's another, much better director. And all his spanish speaking movies, they are smart, intelligent stories very well told with great visual panache, and great production values. And, this is as important, with great acting. The best acting in Del toros' movies came from his spanish language ones.<br><br>So, maybe i should had been a little more explanatory of what i admire about Del Toro. In his english speaking movies, he is an imaginative journeyman. but in his spanish speaking movies, he's a great filmmaker, one of the top best. In those movies, every works, everything is brillant, and there's mor eto him then just a guy who can use special effects. There's far more to him him then just that. I'm truly at awe of his speanish speaking movies, specially THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE and PAN'S LABYRINTH. And the fact i'm portuguese might help explain some why i relate so much to those two movies. But in the end, they are just two great movies made by a very imaginative, very talented director.
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Ah! This is a good distinction to make! And I too love some movies to death, but can understand how they do not constitute full fledged classics. Take American Werewolf in London. Super enjoyable, the breaktrough Oscar winning makeup techniques where akin to JP dinosaur tech and made a splash (and got emulated), but the movie lacks that certain je ne sais quoi to make it a full fledged classic (Maybe if Dunne was cast as the lead, it would be something else). Yes, I have seen the last Indy and I totally agree that it is much worse than JP. I don't hate JP, I was just disappointed. It felt like a big marketing operation to me, and most of the movie didn't *feel* like a Spielberg flick (except for the kitchen scene). Maybe because they promised "Jaws on land". The thing is that Jaws (genuine classic) had much more than just a shark going for it.
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Yes, probably a good choice for the Hobbit.
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was cool, but marred by the whole "escape from the falling jeep in the trees where you try to outrun it instead of just stepping sideways to let it pass".
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Finishing up Scott Pilgrim - friend of PJ's - slightly left field choice but I'm sure it work. I am just saying that cos I work in the Wellington film industry - very sad to see GDT go, such a creatively inspiring dude
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I'd buy THAT for 2$!
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huge LOTR knowledge and she already directed the best scene's in LOTR trilogy.
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Damn, you are overtly critical about movies. I bet you like anime, huh?
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May 31, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST
Give it to Apatow! Seth Rogen as Bilbo!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
That would be fucking hilarious. Call it "The 50-year-old Hobbit."
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Because he did that for the Batman franchise? Trying to add a little realism to Batman is one thing (because its actually possible to a certain extent), trying to add realism to a fantasy land with Dragons, Wizards, Hobbits, Dwarves, etc. is very different (because its totally impossible).<br /> <br /> In sum, Nolan isn't stupid.
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for Bilbo.
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Hobbitz in Da Hood.
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Get used to it.
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Allllllrighty then. Let me know if you want to play Tiddly Winks after your nap.
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Not really, no. But I do like scenes where Godzilla stumbles backwards and crashes, au ralenti, onto a big giant balsa pagoda.
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That would be awesome casting.
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May 31, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST
The Lord of the Rings: The Hobbit: First Contact
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Part two called "The Wrath of Smaug"
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will you please stop suggesting McAvoy. I could crap a better Bilbo. Hobbits are supposed to be short and pudgy... and not really bloody annoying with smug faces. Even if Ian Holm dies before it gets made he'd still be a better Bilbo than that Scots wuss.
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May 31, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST
LIKE A FAT FUCKING RETARDED BLACK GIRL ON A SEASAW
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
OPPOSITE A HOBBIT
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was that already suggested?
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If you hate... thats fine tiz your opinion but I loved it and would love to see a 3rd and final film. After that I would like to see Del Toro do another Original like Pan's Labyrinth then Mountains of Madness, Frankenstein, Hater, Creature from Black Lagoon in that Order
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the film is very disappointing and does not deserve any other praise apart for its breakthrough vfx (which were mainly animatronics and not cgi contrary to the general consensus),it must have been the TF1 film of its time.
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and considering that Del Toro wrote them and he was also writing the script for Hobbit,well i guess it might be for the best that he left the project.He is a good genre director with great visual aesthetic,but like Paul WS Anderson,he sucks in writing scripts.
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Seriously, you're gonna drag out that "well-read" chestnut? The Wachowskis could have read every book ever written and the last two Matrix movies would still. Fucking. Suck. Because being well-read doesn't mean you're a good writer. Visually dynamic, sure, but they're hacks with story.
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You teling somebody is wrong? Aren't you one of those who says things are subjective and shit? Or the subjective excuse only cames when it's convinient?
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Although, actually I kind of dig Hellboy 1 to a degree, I was severely bored at points with Hellboy2, especially the clockwork Golden Army. Now, Pan's Labyrinth & Devil's Backbone both were far more cohesive, evocative and memorable. <p> Speanish? tho~ is that some slang I'm unfamiliar with? <p> I would like Del Toro to do a Hellboy 3, to hopefully rectify the sins of Hellboy 2, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Del Toro also wrote or co-wrote the scripts for THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE and PAN'S LABYRINTH, and those movies have very good scripts. Again, i have to say, his movies which one could find at fault or flawed are his english-speaking movies. his spanish spoken movie,s specially those two aforementioned, are darn near flawless, the way i see it.
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"Speanish" is a typo. Teach me right for not write faster then my abilities. Fast typing is not my game.<br><br>And beleive me, you will agree with me more then you think. The thing with me is that i just don't partake on the usual geek bullshit, i'm pretty direct with my opinions and i don't mince words, specially about the bullshit.
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May 31, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST
A buddy has been in NZ for the last year and a half working on t
by Playkins
Hope he's not unemployed now.
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May 31, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST
A buddy has been in NZ for the last year and a half working on t
by Playkins
Hope he's not unemployed now.
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And I still day David Fincher, David Cronenberg, Terry Gilliam and John Milius. Gilliam will never happen, but I think it would be fun to see, anyway. And Milius, although he hasn't done so in years, directed Conan The Barbarian. Picture that Hobbit. Aaaah yeah.
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Sure, blockbuster backlash is a real phenomena, but citing your own essay as evidence is pretty lame. <p> With LotR, I had the opposite of backlash. I was actually underwhelmed by it the first time I watched the films in the theater. I thought Fellowship was lackluster and occasionally chintzy. The Two Towers looked more like the epic I imagined, but the plot drifted aimlessly, and I thought RotK felt a bit bloated. <p> I went several years without revisiting them, or even thinking about them, and then one day decided to watch them with my girlfriend. On second viewing, I thought Fellowship was much stronger. Two Towers became annoying, and RotK felt... better. <p> A few months ago, I was having a craving for fantasy films, and decided to give the extended editions a go. What a difference! Those extended editions really improved the films for me. RotK benefited the least, but at least it had that beautiful Mouth of Sauron scene. But Two Towers was freak'n revelation. The extended edition of Two Towers is a must see, while there is no one scene that I can point to that makes the film better, its just a much better paced and realized film. You get a much richer understanding of the characters. I can't even watch the theatrical cut of TT now, but I cherish the extended edition as one of the finest fantasy films ever made.
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than his american ones.Devil's Backbone is one of the best horror movies ever made.
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That's the dirty little secret of the LotR franchise, isn't it? Those films literally make or break New Zealand's economy. <p>From the first day of principle shooting to the final cut of RotK (nearly a decade), that little island was swimming in Hollywood dollars. It wasn't just the film industry that profited, there were all kinds of external economic repercussions: all those crew people who had great paying film jobs were able to buy houses, go out to dinner, go shopping, travel... and it was a boon on the textile industry, the computer hardware and software industries, you name it... and then... BUST! That's why Jackson had to turn around King Kong so fast: to save the NZ economy. <p> I'm convinced the reason Weta agreed to do The Hobbit in two pictures over 6 years was to put NZ back to work.
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The rest is distinctly average. I think there's more promise in Del Toro's artistic ambitions than realization at this point.
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May 31, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST
No first rate director will want to enter this MGM mess
by performingmonkey
The Hobbit just officially took a huge nosedive onto a shit-laden bed. Can you seriously see any director worth a damn wanting to get onboard with this forever delayed project?? The candidates WILL be the Bolls, the Ratners, the Andersons etc. the fucking gotta eat parade. Someone like Fincher wouldn't touch this with yours. He has been through enough studio bullshit over the years, he so doesn't need any more. Peter Jackson will NOT direct because he has other projects he needs to concentrate on from this point on. He had del Toro to handle The Hobbit now he is screwed big time. Del Toro has been on the project for 2 years. How the hell can someone step in now without feeling like they are just the hired help?? OK there's a chance Peter will push back his other projects but like he said he is already commited to the studios to fucking make the flicks. Mortal Engines HAS to be one of these movies. There is only ONE person I can think of who can save this...and that is Alfonso Cuaron.
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I'd agree Cueron is the next best thing and in the same ballpark as Guillermo. Made my favorite Potter. If Proyas can recapture his Crow/Dark City days I'd love to see his visual take. Bryan Singer is a modern day Bard...He'd kill the story. Finally I'd love to see Danny Boyle take a crack. There's my top four with no thought to availability.
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To quote Dioxholster:<P>"...the only cool thing about the movies were the new zealand landscape which seemed unique at the time. we mention Star Wars here because at them time many people said LOTR gave star wars a run for its money and that just turned out to be such bullshit. very few people care whether hobbit movies gets made, no one really liked these little midgets. they are like the ewoks of LOTR universe."<P>If you agree with these blanket statements (given about people in the PLURAL), feel free to defend them.
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movie and be done with it. Anything other than a direct adaptation of Tolkien's work himself would be fan-fiction. Wasn't The Silmarillion just a publication of Tolkien's notes and short stories? It's unfilmable.
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....Avatar, District 9 and Daybreakers in just the last couple years. They've also got a slate of future projects lined up PAST Tintin. Also, the New Zealand Film Commission has existed since 1978 when the Act of the same name was established. http://www.nzfilm.co.nz/ Lastly, New Zealand has very strong economy and a high standard of living compared to many other countries it's size (and many that are quite a bit larger). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand#Economy New Zealand gave Peter Jackson tax breaks because they WANTED him to make the films there. Not because they were going Third World or something.
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You know I'm right. Only problem is that it looks like, with all pre-production done (sets, animatics, script, etc.) the only director stepping on board will be a point-and-shoot guy, and not an actual visionary. But Gilliam would be an awesome choice, letting his imagination run wild on a $300 million budget. But like I said, all the creative decisions have already been made. Don't see what's the point with Del Toro walking away. I'm sure he has other irons in the fire, but are they as anticipated as the Hobbit? Those films were going to launch him into untouchable big-boy status, ala Raimi, Nolan, etc. Instead he now gets his pet projects, and will continue to beg studios to increase his $60 million budgets from here on out.
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Because of my love for Prisoner of Azkaban (the film that most closely feels like the book it's named after) and enjoyment Children of Men, I can agree that he'd be a good choice, as well. Keep the hack whose been directing the last couple away, though.
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Finding Neverland has a real magical, dreamlike quality to it, and he already spent gobs of MGM money on Quantum of Solace. Monster's Ball, Stranger Than Fiction, The Kite Runner. Yeah, I think he could do it, as well.
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May 31, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST
Jaden Smith should direct - After all, it's his birthright!!
by BetterCallSaul
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You heard it here first.
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"The greeeeaaaastest adventure, is what lies ahead!..."
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I'm too drunk too fix it. It was the intro to the Rankin Bass cartoon.
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Did you see my earlier link to "Where There's A Whip"?<P>Comedy gold.
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if they can't find a suitable director.
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New Zealand is in no economic need to be put "back to work" by THE HOBBIT. But if you want to talk dirty little secrets, the real secret (which was never really one to begin with) is that the LOTR films were either going to make or brake New Line Cinema. They are the ones who ponied up the cash for three films. Luckily, the whole enterprise went over like gangbusters. Unfortunately, New Line's post-LOTR decisions were largely disasterous. Jackson's turnaround time on KING KONG was due to the deal he struck with Universal. They locked him into his dream project during the after-Oscars glow and his exhaustion showed throughout the bloat of that film, IMHO.
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...into his 80's.
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The Silmarillion is truly epic, dark and tragic. The Hobbit is a children's bedtime story (literally - Tolkien came up with it to read to his kids). > And there's nothing in The Hobbit we haven't already seen in LOTR and elsewhere - goblins and trolls (including Ominus)? Check. Giant spiders? Check. Elves and dwarves? Check. Heck we've already even seen the big ass battle and the eagles coming to the rescue in ROTK. The only draw left in Smaug, but really a talking dragon - how interesting is that? Then consider the recurring characters - Gollum is no longer a mystery, nor is Gandalf and no one will play Bilbo better than Ian Holm. I'm not saying The Hobbit is better off dead, but all that money and energy is better spent on Tolkien's biggest masterpiece - The Silmarillion, directed by Alfonso Cuaron.
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The Silmarillion, pieces of The Books of Lost Tales, more of the LOTR appendixes, even the Children of Hurin, imo, would make great episodic television. Maybe, say, 10-15 hour long episodes. I'm not sure about a movie, though. And I love the Silmarillion. But it's somewhat fragmented in it's telling and extremely wordy. That's not a complaint, but I think it would lead to too much dumbing down as it was edited for film.
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http://chir.ps/5qj <p> eepp..lets hope we hear some good news on The Hobbit soon..I know they're working like mad down there atm!
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Watch this teaser for an independent short film I wrote/directed with students at the LA Film School. Go on ahead, brethren, tear me a new one. I am still learning the craft, and the inevitable and unavoidable opinions of my core audience might as well start happening now... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtmyRHSCwg
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I just don't see that happening.
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but its a sci-fi thriller about a guy who wakes up from a coma in the hospital with supernatural abilities, and as the doctors try to stop his escape, he realizes he's the subject of a disturbing experiment about the nature of consciousness... http://tiny.cc/2eow1
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I'll vote for Alfonso Cuarón as well.
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Bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo, bring back Guilermo.
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Thanks for the link! Haven't seen you around these parts in awhile. Let us know if you guys get any further inside scoop!
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The quiet chav on Misfits would make an ideal Hobbit... you read it here first!
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Thanks! I tend to pop in for Lost and Doctor Who talkbacks..but haven't written in a while!
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PS: Let me amend my earlier post by saying that I'm sure the HOBBIT films are worth millions to the NZ economy, specifically Wellington, where WETA is housed.
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that this film won't made in my life time, or anybody elses.
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2nd Unit director on LOTR & King Kong and worked on Avatar. What the hell.
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I hear ya! Man, this really has to suck for you guys after getting to know Del Toro over the past couple of years.
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I never meant to suggest that NZ was third world or anything. I was just saying that LotR was a HUGE boon to the economy, and that it stung a little bit when filming wrapped. I would imagine the effect is probably similar to, say for example, getting a new automobile plant in Cleveland and then losing it after 6 years. At the peak of production, LotR employed 1500 people. One way that its different from the Cleveland example is that LotR employed people in the creative arts, who are not always the most in-demand workforce. <p> SOURCE: http://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/13610
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I hear you. For the record, I wasn't invoking my own essay (which would indeed be pretentious). I was quoting from a movie critic's piece earlier this year on blockbuster backlash. My apologies. I cited my source sloppily.<BR><BR>I had a similar response to the films, actually, in that I was unsure whether I liked FOTR or not the first time I saw it. There were things I immediately loved (e.g., any scene with Bilbo and Gandalf; the Balrog sequence) and immediately hated (e.g., Galadriel's cheesy transformation; shitty, comical Gimli). Upon second viewing and EE viewing I came to truly admire the film and consider it hands down the best fantasy flick ever made.<BR><BR>TTT was a mixed bag. I had become accustomed to Jackson's style and changes, so I accepted the cinematic alterations (and occasional missteps) almost immediately. The battle sequences at Helm's Deep and Isengard were the most epic battle sequences I had ever seen on film. I was pretty blown away. Every repeat viewing, however--even the EE--makes me cringe at certain HUGE changes (e.g., idiot Treebeard and the unnecessary--and LONG--Faramir/Osgiliath subplot). That stated, TTT's Smeagol/Gollum character-work is and remains a triumph on a technological and acting and writing level.<BR><BR>ROTK is a bloated mess. Yes, it has its moments, but I'm doomed to only really recall its many failures (e.g., one-dimensional Denethor without motivation--murdered absurdly by Shadowfax; ridiculous and predictable and over-the-top battle scenes often featuring superhero-charged Legolas and sadistically vicious animal killings; a suddenly one-dimensional Gollum's frame-job of Sam; badly paced, anticlimactic ending sequences; etc etc). Each additional viewing of ROTK reinforces the fact that--of the 3 films--it is hands down the worst in every way and, unfortunately, effectively keeps the film trilogy from being an artistic success. <BR><BR>That's why--imo--the films are an ambitious failure. They have value, but, ultimately, they collectively could've been truly great. They were one film away from greatness, but that last film fell on its face. It's a shame.
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May 31, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST
When Bill Murray said he was going to be a ghost in GB 3
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
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May 31, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST
he meant he'd be dead before the movie ever got made.
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
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Soooooo people hate Hellboy 2, the Lord of the Rings movies, and Jurassic Park? What kind of nerd website is this? Bizarre.
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And then they turn around and talk to their friends about how cool the scene in ROTK is that currently on their television. They must be hipsters. lol
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Fair points about the LOTR movies. I love Fellowship. LOVE. TTT has some low points (warg attack), as does ROTK (army of the dead). Still great though. Especially in December.
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whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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But everything between Gandalf's demise, and the Amon Heth scenes with Boromir, is drawn out and borderline tedious on repeated viewings.
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May 31, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST
Yes, I really do believe that the EE of LOTR inverts
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
the ranking order :<p>Theatrical versios from best to worst - FOTR; TTT; ROTK.<p>EE - ROTK; TTT; FOTR.<P>Weird that.
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your opinion man. I hope we can at least agree that the warg attack from TTT is the low point. I hate that damn warg attack!!!!
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...attack on the EE commentaries. They knew there was problems there.
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while a positive spin of del toro now free to pursue his own projects is a wonderful thing, it really does suck that this looks to be falling apart....that fucking sucks. supersucks.
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May 31, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST
In all seriousness, Roman Polanski's The Hobbit would rock!
by RedJester
You all know it to be true!
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Nice marmot!
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For all we know, this was all merely a ploy to get Jackson back at the helm and in the directors seat.
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...in those talkbacks would rival those of a certain tv show that just ended. I'd endorse that just to see everyone spew vitriolic slurs, and then go pay their twelve bucks to see it anyway. lol
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The warg attack is weak because they didn't do any pre-viz for the sequence and just filmed a bunch of action shots which they filled in later. In fact, the whole sequence was a last minute addition - originally, there was going to be a warg attack on Edoras which caused the mass exodus to take place, and then the rohan were going to be pursued through the villages of the Riddermark on their way to Helm's Deep. This was changed/cut down at the last minute and so as an afterthought the warg attack was added as an action beat to break up this 'slow' section of the movie where nothing much happens.
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till they die
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Sounds about right. Looks terrible and is random and unnecessary. It's so cathartic to finally talk about my warg attack hatred with people. Do you guys want to talk about my issues with the escape from Jabba's Palace next? This is so cleansing.
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It has some cool moments, like when Aragorn thrusts his sword into one of the beasts' mouth. I just think it could have been done better, in terms of choreography and CGI - and there's a few other sequences like that in the trilogy. And what's wrong with the escape from Jabba's palace?<p>BTW, I'm not Turd Ferguson. That's a completely different guy that posts here from time to time. This forum has room for only one 'turd', and it really should be me, lol.
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Oh man don;t get me started on the escape from Jabba's Palace. It's driven me crazy since I was little. I think my biggest problem with the warg sequence is the Aragorn falling into the ravine/left for dead/miraculously surviving business. Cheesey and no need for it.
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"Ok, here's the plan. You hundreds of rebels won't be needed. Neither will any of your ships or weaponry. We kind of want to keep this a small affair. You understand. Lando, you infiltrate Jabba's palace. Not important how. Oh, but they might recognize you, so make sure you get yourself a mask that covers at least 23% of your face. 3PO and R2, you're just going to present yourselves to him. Yeah, he does sometimes disintegrate and otherwise torture droids, but he'll probably just station you guys somewhere important. R2, don't forget, make sure you're somewhere above, and to the side of Luke when he gives you the ol' aye aye captain. Leia, you're going to dress up like a bounty hunter and hand over Chewy. Despite Jabba's proclivity for decorating his palace with the bodies of his bested enemies, I'm sure Chewy will be fine despite the fact that his corpse would resemble a bear-skin rug. It's important that he be captured too because everyone knows that it's much easier to rescue two people than one. Then at night, Leia you should sneak out and defrost Han. Our plan relies on the fact that you will be able to defrost him, but not escape. If you were able to get him out, we'd just be back to square one because then we'd have to figure out how to rescue Chewy, 3PO, and R2. Luke, you get captured too. Then, the 7 of you will just get the hell out of there. It's almost too easy..."
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There's a news article that was published in a major international newspaper on the MGM situation back a few weeks ago. It tells you the most probable reason why MGM is facing all these problems. From the delay of James Bond to now The Hobbitt to why MGM couldn't get sold in auction recently. Maybe I'll send the info to Aint-it-Cool editors to see if they think it's worthy information. I think it's absolutely fascinating that all this could be the problem because one tiny little thing that no one probably saw coming and is making potential buyers scared of taking over MGM which is why they can't get money to make movies.
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Somewhere between Mad Max and Babe lies The Hobbit. Think about it. And only a 3 hour flight from home...
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I think there was a huge difference between the two. The CG Wargs never moved right with riders on them and they never looked right in the blazing sunlight. The physical prop Wards fared a little better, I think.
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...I'm not even going there. lol
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May 31, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST
there truly are some dumb mother fuckers on these boards
by slappy jones
after all these years it still never fails to astound how fucking stupid a lot of you are.
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Just because Del Toro had his name attached to the Hobbit, doesn't mean it was going to be a homerun. I mean, we all remember Hellboy 2 right? That movie was a disaster. The scene in the library where the two of them are singing?! Wow, you talk about bringing a movie to a grinding halt. Even Pan's Labyrinth is vastly overrated. A lot of style, but that's really it.
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Yeah, cause we all know how Wargs move in real life.
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I said they never moved right with riders on them. It looked like two different special effect and/or live elements badly melded together. And they actually talk about the difficulty with their movements in the commentaries.
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Did you know the scene with the Wargs was filmed as a pick up scene and shot at the very last minute? I don't think the scene looks bad at all.
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May 31, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST
Pan's Labyrinth Overrated? You're an idiot @ Bartleby
by --- Emperor ---
Another shithead calling something 'overrated' just to be a contrarian. <p> What's overrated about it? The story is great. The script is great. The acting is great. The visuals are great. The score is great. The cinematography is great. <p> You're an idiot. When a film is as highly acclaimed and respected as Pan's Labyrinth, then the burden of 'proof' or 'explanation' lies with YOU, sir Moron, to indicate just HOW and WHY everybody else just got it so damn wrong! <p> Dropping a bombshell like "Pan's Labyrinth is overrated" is tantamount to saying that "General Relativity is overrated"... <p> Listen fuckstick, there's a reason why many works of art or science become highly acclaimed: universal appreciation among consumer and critic alike. While of course this doesn't set the matter in stone indefinitely, being a contrarian means you need to explain why so many others are wrong, so they may learn from your 'wisdom'. <p> Otherwise, you shut the fuck up. So far, what you've written a la "too much style and not much else" is just rubbish. It's blatantly untrue. There are plenty of highly stylish movies that do not get that sort of acclaim as Pan's, because they lack in the many important aspects that Pan's does not. <p> Once again, drop a bombshell and be prepared to back it up. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and fuck off. Don't weasel your way out of it with a quick cop out and then leave. <p> Idiot.
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Pan's Labrynth was over-long, and depressing, however, Legend of The Seeker was a brilliant TV series that understands sword and sorcery. Truth is, Seeker is better than the Lord of The Rings films, which lacked energy, humor, sexuality, romance and good pacing.
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holy fucking shit i have seen some absurd shit posted here over the years but jesus fucking h christ that takes the cake.
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it just smells funny.
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Freaking Amazing Film, Whoever says otherwise is Bag of Shit. However its a great movie!
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"Pan's Labrynth" was just mean. Spoiler Alert Warning for anyone who didn't see the film--the girl who is our heroine has a horrible life during the movie, and the girl is killed by her Nazi like step-dad (a top Spanish military officer) in the end--but has a fantasy that she has become a princess from a fantasy underground world, her way of distracting herself from the real world cruelty that surrounds her, and what eventually leads to her death in the real world. It was just mean, and a riff on Roberto Benigni's "It's A Beautiful Life", another sad movie about oppression during World War II where a child is given to fantasy...fueled by his father who doesn't want him to know that they are in death camps, but I digress. Pan's Labrynth is boring, slow, and morose. What happened to entertaining audiences, or giving us a story with hope, where hope is fulfilled? I want a "Hobbit" film with a sense of epic adventure, one with great spirit, humor, romance, wonder, and heroism...where we are treated to wish fulfillment. We need that now, more than ever...in this cold and cruel world--not more works to remind us how actively mean-spirited this world of ours...really is. To escapism!!!
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As executed by Peter Jackson, "Lord of The Rings" just sat there onscreen as pageant of banality. "Legend of The Seeker", doesn't have 1/150th of the budget per episode, as compared to LOTR per movie budget, but Seeker had a poppy and energetic reworking of the sword and sorcery genre, with fresh twists on story and powers. It had rich romance, extreme sexuality, fast moving adventure, and a sense of fun. Lord of The Rings had the big budget, yes, but was a slow moving snooze fest--one with no real romance, and it was largely A-sexual, with no sense of fun, and no sense of humor. I didn't want to stand-up and clap, or cheer...once, during all 3 boring films.
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credibility shot.
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June 1, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST
always amazes me when people say "all three were boring"
by slappy jones
if the first film bored you why did you bother watching TTT and ROTK. they all shot at the same time by the same crew so you knew it would be more of the same. and these are long long films yet you sat through over 9 hours of it already knowing you would hate them....personally if I saw the first part of a 9+hour trilogy and thought it was slow moving snore fest with no sense of fun I wouldn't have bothered with the next two. even then say I gave the second a chance and felt it was every bit as much as a piece of shit as the first two I would definitely not subject myself to the longest final film when I know I am going to hate. yet you watched all three 3+hour snooze fests as you but it. thats quite a bit of dedication to something you hate. you must have a lot of free time on your hands. see I hated the fast and the furious so i didn't bother watching the next 3 as I knew I would hate them and they had different casts, directors and were shit I just guess it lucky that audiences, critics and film making industry disagreed with you as it made massive amounts of money so people liked them, all three were critically acclaimed so critics liked them and then won awards out the ying yang so the industry liked them. massive successes in every single possible way you could potentially judge a film. shame they were not as good as the fucking awful legend of the seeker tv series though. imagine the heights they could have achieved if they had been. also if you think the films have no sense of fun you must hate the books the films are based on.
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Hehehe. That would suck.
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Hehehe. That would suck as well.
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I do think there's more to the LOTR movies then just the New Zeland landscape. However, i couldn't help but feel a sense of disapointmnet with THE RETURN OF THE KING. Until then, i had found the LOTR to be very very good. But with ROTF i started to notice flaws which were not amusing. And those flaws were multiplied in PJ's next movie KING KONG, a movie which positively pissed me off. But hey,this is my SUBJECTIVE opinion, right? Right? I mean, it's all subjective and shit. Who needs to verify and uphold their opinions, if everything is subjective and shit?
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First of all, her stepfather is a FASCIST. A very brutal and murderous fascist. Which is how they were.<br><br>You called PAN'S LABYRINTH morose. I call it melancolic and realistic to the times it depicted. The movie truly represents the spirit of the people of Spain during the years of Franco's government. Like my own country Portugal, spain went through a very long period of a very repressive fascist dictatorship. The big diffeence was that my country was saved froma civil war. spain's civil was was extremely destructive and a huge part of the population was killed or dispossessed. In fact, most of the deaths from the civil war happeend afterwards, when the fascists rounded up the republicans and communists and summarily executed them by the thousands. The movie reflects that moment in Spain's history, a period of fear and insecurity, and great societal control by the military, the church and the high society over everybody else.<br><br>Seen from the eyes of a spanish, a portuguese, or anybody who knows well and has some connection, direct or indirect, to the spanish civil war and those times, the movie is magnificent in it's presentation. If the movie had had any other style or mood to it, it would had been a shallow cheat. PAN LARYRINTH does everything exactly right. Maybe it's na iberian thing, but both Del Toro's movies set in Spain, PAN'S LABYRINTH and THE DEVIOL'S BACKBONE, are great portaits of those times, and they do indeed get under one's skin. They are magnificent. It's uncanny how that mexican understood so well this spirit of the spanish and the iberians of the time.
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because, hey...fuckwads have computers too.
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Focus on character here. Ol' Mel can handle epic, his pacing is top notch, and you always give a shit about the characters in his films. He has yet to make a movie that wasn't chock full of awesome.
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Again, all about caring about the people on the screen. Well paced, well directed, and I'm giddy to think about what the director of The Host would do with Smaug onscreen!
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June 1, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST
#3 - I do also like the suggestions of Cuaron, Miller, Weir.
by 5_day_forecast
George Miller and Peter Weir would possibly be right up Jackson's alley, since they're all round about the "down under" part of the planet. On the other hand, Del Toro's approval alone might be enough to land Cuaron the job. They're kind of BFF's as it is, so it wouldn't take much to sell Jackson on the idea.
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Would KILL that shit. I would definitely pay to see that :) <P> I never really liked the LOTR trilogy all that much... in fact, i never saw the 2nd and 3rd ones again after i saw them in the theater the first time. I still think the first one was the best (the first act more specifically, in the shire and all that shit...) Not a big fan of Peter Jackson at all. Was bored silly during King Kong. Del Toro would have made a much better Hobbit film than Jackson had done with LOTR, as Pan's Labyrinth was pretty sick. But CUARON would fucking KILL IT. LOVE that guy. Children of Men was robbed by the oscars (should've probably won, or been nominated at the very least...) and he made the only QUALITY Harry Potter film too ;-) <P> Bring it!
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Howard Shore brought the SOUL of the movie to life.. As long as we have his sweeping score, the movies will be grand
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Agreed. That was probably what i liked most about the LOTR films... He does a great job in David Fincher's films too, Mr. Shore does :)
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was a little redundant upon further review... lol
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CLEARLY. <P> ;-)
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You know he will.
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...EE is the only classic film from the LOTR trilogy. TTT EE is very good, ROTK is good, not the sum of its parts, let down by being overlong- has some great sequences but never comes together. Cuaron would OWN THE HOBBIT!
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ROTF = Return Of The Fuck
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suck my dick you filthy gay hobbits
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...and she loves "Pan's Labrynth" and she also loves "Life is Beautiful". I don't dismiss her views, I just don't like morose subject matter. I have also seen films on slavery and the genicide of Native Americans, as well as the holocaust. I love "Dances With Wolves", but I find "Shindler's List" and "Saving Private Ryan" lacking--as the latter films seem to play for a specific agenda...and that is to forward a certain political point of view, without forwarding the joy of life--or what it should be, even if it isn't. "Dances" showed us that joy, of what life should, and could be, and gave us that, while others seem to wallow in pain and suffering, for pain and suffering's sake, and that just isn't good for the human mind and spirit--as we must be given hope...whenever possible? Sure, with Pan's Labyrinth, we were taught a valuable and valued history lesson, but one that could have been taught without such a gloomy end.
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You would prefer some Devlin-Emmerich no talent hack creation over Tolkien-Jackson? You need to get some taste.
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I wouldn't like to see people in rubber suits wandering around Middle Earth. And whoever played Abe Sapien in HB is nowhere near the standard of Andy Surkis. Del Toro would have made it TOO fantastical and should stick to his more obscure works. :)
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Smaug launches explosive fireballs and middle earth is destroyed in one continuous explosion. Then the elven Megan Fox and Bilbo fire an exploding arrow down smaugs throat and he explodes all over the ruins of middle earth. Bilbo just had to "become war" and he was "pushed too far."
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...against any of the LOTR installments, as a better entertainment any day. "Seeker" taps into what makes us human...from all dimensions, including sexuality, while LOTR is a bit of snooty, slow moving, self-important drama, absent of any real sense of fun, or wonder? Love and romance, bring wonder--whilst charm and humor--bring joy, and there was none of that in LOTR.<BR><BR>Is LOTR a techically brilliant achievement special effects wise? Yes, but most movies have very good, to great, special effects...just as long as they have a high enough budget. In the end, what counts the most about a story, and a movie, is your ability to relate to the characters, feel their sorrows, happiness, their loves, sacrifice, humor, and heroics--in LOTR, however, although I understood and appreciated the struggle, it felt muted and at a emotional distance, as if I was a spectator, which I am, but the point of a good, or great, movie...is to draw you in, and make you feel that you are in the shoes of the characters on the screen--that you are living through them, not watching a movie...or a TV show, for that matter. Seeker can make you feel like you are there on the screen, or at least...want to be, but LOTR, leaves one wanting to escape, therein is the difference.<BR><BR>LOTR was served-up to us in a manner, by the industry, as if to say..."This is great (or is supposed to be), and don't dare question its greatness (or aspirations to be presumed, great)", well, I dare to question that sales pitch, because they forgot the emotion bells and whistles that should make you want to live vicariously through the characters--hell, even the villains felt distant? You didn't love to hate them, or want to hate them. When a villain steps on the screen, one's reaction should be of awe. You should say to yourself, "Damn they are so cool". You want them to be both scary, and fun...but LOTR's villains were gloomy and bland, and our heroes, scared and bland, with few dimensions. That isn't what this kind of story should advance, for we need a hero that we can believe is worthy of a villain, and a villain who is worthy of our hero--and when one, or both fail, you have less of a story, within...and its impact is blunted.
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...the Nazi spawned "Joy Division" (look it up), but unless I could tell a tale where there is clear justice to be found, and a happy ending, no puns here, it would only draw more sadness into the world, as if we need that?<BR><BR>And so, the same is true of my feeling about "Pan Labyrinth"...sometimes it is best to deny the villain the victory over our heroes, and or, heroines--and although the resistance won in the end, the girl was murdered by the villain, and after so many mean-spirited deaths in that film, I don't see the lesson in that, other than to point-out that life is cruel and unfair, but we already knew that going into the movie, didn't we, so why speak, or show us, the obvious???
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The Phantom Menace... maybe this is a sign to let it die.
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Or just New Line make the film. Obviously I don't understand what's going on. Who knows, maybe Jackson will find a way.
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not MGM
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June 1, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST
It was fuckin' obvious that that cunt was gonnae fuck some cunt.
by Broseph
fucking lame fuck it up for everybody greedy fucks.del torro would be perfect for this
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There's one reason why The Hobbit films are having so much trouble, and it's because I really want them to happen, and therefor they never will, because God thinks I'm a bowl of shit! Whatever I want to happen, God does the opposite. I wanted Gore, we got eight years of Bush. I wanted the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix to come back, we get gangsta rap. I wanted a new generation of Spielberg's and Lucases, we got Bay, Abrams and Favrau. <p> It happened with the other sequel/prequel/continuation I really wanted (Jurassic Park IV), and it's happening again. Is it a narcissistic viewpoint? Absolutely, and it's absolutely true. <P> SORRY! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go asphyxiate myself in a tub of noodles like that ugly old lady in Patch Adams.
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June 1, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST
DioxholsterReturns, SGU is for people with scary eyebrows...
by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester
huge foreheads and ugly-ass turnip faces, like your little girlfriend Chloe! And Robert Carlyle!!!
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Do I need to remind everybody that's run a story on this that Guillermo is in no way attached to direct the Death movie? Anybody who has two eyes can read Neil's blog where he said way back during production of Hellboy 2 that he plans on directing it himself. Harry, I thought you were friends with this guy?
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Personally since Guilermo has such a good relationship with Dark Horse maybe he could get Robert Kirkman's "Invincible" to the big screen
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i dont want a hobbit movie, i mean whats cool about a movie based on the life of midgets? seriously boring.
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mmm...no.
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dont you be dissing Greer, he will fuck you UP!!!!
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June 1, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST
Ronald Greer is a bad ass mothafucka, heres proof:
by DioxholsterReturns
http://tinyurl.com/28tac9z
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she reminded me of transvestite whores you find in the streets who charge you $20 to lick your asshole clean.
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To tell a story set in those days without the gloom, as you clal it, would be a crass betrayal of the suffering that existed back then. What's depicted in PAN'S LABYRINTH is just a very small scale of what was happening. No, you could have had a depiction of those times, and learn about it with a more happy and light-weight approach. A disneyfication of those times would be an abomination. And then there's the cultural aspect of the thing: notice that the vast majority of the very positive opinions about the movie came from Spain, Portugal and even Mexico, and the most negative from USA. Ever wondered why?
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News to me. I find her very lovely, specially with long hair.
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.... is more spanish language movies. That's his forté. That's where his heart is really into. He should continue his Post-Spanish Civil War saga. So far it has been the origin of two great, amazing movies.
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June 1, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
i always thought she was hiding a set of balls down there
by DioxholsterReturns
thought the final episode would clear that up. like she would pull it out in defiance or something.
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but unfortunately TJ Johansson looks just like her! <p> Greer's actually the only character I like on the show, as the actor playing him is quite charismatic despite being Joe the Camel! <p>Robert Carlyle is actually okay too, when he isn't being Dr. Smith meets Baltar: "Don't appear in my mind and tell me what to do, you addle-headed boobie! Oh the pain...the pain"! <p> Unfortunately, Brad Wright and Robert Cooper...well, "okay" is not really the operative word for those two...
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There is a god!
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...could direct this, really,but the longer it is delayed the less likely it will be the competent work that fits with the rest of the work, and the obstruction that is MGM's mountain of selfishness and obstructionism and greed is what will sink it. I don't know what specifically I can do, but resta assured the if it has MGMs name on it, it will not be getting my money.
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June 1, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST
SGU characters are sexy! SGU got the biggest boobies on TV!
by DioxholsterReturns
No!! Starbuck looks more manly than i am, at least TJ looks like a woman! here look at this pic: <p> http://tinyurl.com/ybtul8e <p> and what its not like you are forced to marry Greer! hes wickd awesome check out my rendition of him: <p> http://tinyurl.com/37c2lzp <p> now Dr. Rush is one sexy guy, hes not like Baltar, comon! Rish is like focused at times and other times hes like "piss off!" <p> and whats wrong with Brad wright and Robert Cooper ? the are the only writers who already planned out the entire plot of the show and know how it ends before they start season 2! look at the endings for BSG and LOST and you will know what i mean.
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I love the extended editions of these movies, much deeper, better paced than the theatrical releases, but even still there's so many problems with TTT. The warg scene, while badly choreographed, doesn't become truly horrendous until the Aragorn Cliff-Diving routine, which is truly abysmal and pointless. <p>Jackson states in the commentary that it's necessary for Aragorn's "hero journey." I understand the need for the arc, but it would've been better represented in the Paths of the Dead sequence in ROTK. It just takes up space in TTT. <p>Frodo's detour to Osgiliath however did seem needed, as otherwise there's virtually no peril in his capture by Faramir. Still, it's too slow, too long, and cluttered with an unconvincing speech by Sam. But one thing that the film definitely needs is to have Saruman's death occur at the end. Move it from the beginning of ROTK to the point right before Gandalf says "The battle of Helm's Deep is over..." and the film has a much better natural climax. Someone needs to phantom edit that shit.<p>It seems the popular consensus on this board is that Cuaron is the best choice to step in, but if it's true that all the pre-viz and design work has been done and all they need is someone who can point'n'shoot, then I humbly suggest they hire me. I'm ready to go whenever they want.
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June 1, 2010, noon CST
Funny how "Bryan Singer" is shorthand for shit after
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
the mortifying abortion "Superman: Box Office Returns."
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Shot dark and shocking like Kill Bill. Add in a dash of Sam Jackson and Travolta. Shot on 40 year old camera equipment. You'd all buy tickets and ya know it.
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June 1, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST
FOTR still one of my all-time favs; oddly, can't watch TTT or RO
by RandySavage
For a few reasons: <P> -I like the character of Gandalf the Grey much more than the White version in acting, likability, costume, makeup, etc. <P> -FOTR has a richer, more colorful palette that make the film feel like a storybook brought to life, while sequels are more drab visually. <P> -FOTR has flawless production design & art direction (something important to me in film). I find some serious flaws in some of prod. des./art direction of the sequels. <P> -Superior editing (made simpler by linear storyline). <P> -Finally and by for the most important - I find that FOTR is closest to the books in characterization, dialogue & plot. When you have a work of genius like the Tolkien books, the closer you adhere to that original the better the end result, as shown by the trilogy. <P> For these reasons, for me at least, FOTR remains one of my favorite 2 or 3 films, while I don't really care too much for TTT or ROTK anymore.
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that movie made me vomit
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June 1, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST
RandySavage-- FOTR is my fav as well, good im not the only one
by DioxholsterReturns
i feel weird telling them the first movie was my fav when it barely has any battles or such like the other movies.
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...to wrap it all up and then go do whatever else you want but please lets wrap up the supposed trilogy!!!!!!!!!!
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June 1, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST
them = friends, relatives, people in general, monkeys sometimes
by DioxholsterReturns
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just sayin.
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It will start filming this spring... maybe MGM can let him off for a couple months to work on this thing with Sony? He is a fan of the first game after all!
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...Scarlet Johansen is. Just sayin.
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Just got back from a fapping session.
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I'm wearing the skin off. Chaffing.
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career waiting to make this. Good for him.
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I'd say Cuaron, Weir, or Jonez would be the best and most obvious choices.<p>Lucas without scripting and with a brilliant 2nd D and even more brilliant DoP? Possible. He can do big action but he might be too cgi-happy to keep Hobbit looking like it's not a cartoon. Problem is his ego is too big to take "orders" from "kids" (to him) like Jackson et al.<p>Jackson himself? I'm not sold on him as being so able to bat 1000 as so many think. The surfing elf and "pee wee herman"-channeling dwarf kinda turned me off with Jackson's need to wink at the audience. Del Toro does the EXACT same thing and often much worse (not at all in Pan's but it was all over HB2 unfortunately).<p>Jonez probably wouldn't do it as it would be like raising Kurt Cobain from the dead and forcing him to work at Old Navy while only allowing him to choose from Nike apparel and only eating McDonald's (shit, I'd kill myself). Ok, so the Hobbit production isn't that overtly commercial but I think they're certainly a little bit water to Jonez's oil. Love to be wrong but I'd be surprised if he'd do it.<p>Cuaron and Weir are the best and most capable choices. Either would be a brilliant choice and would (hopefully) keep their artistic sensibilities out of the morass of opinionated, gossipy bullshit that has plagued this movie since this whole thing began.<p>And yes, I think the 2nd Hobbit film is a cash grab but I've been thinking that of Jackson for a LONG time...that he's an unconscious gold-digger. First he says utterly every recorded piece of media from LotR was on the SD-dvd extended editions until he went back and recorded more shit! Now we get the same double-dip treatment with the blurays. Perhaps there's a fine line between being complete and milking coin but it gets thinner with every "new" version of the same movie Jackson releases with regard to Tolkien's work.<p>Personally, I'd say Cuaron is the perfect choice as he's proven himself with both adult and children's films and that he can tell a cohesive story in the midst of a fully immersed environment/atmosphere that propels the story forward instead of distracting and has cathartic bits for tension release instead of slapstick comedy. Even then, the more overt comedy is still handled well.<p>Alfonso Cuaron is the only person to successfully be able to helm The Hobbit and, to me, a far better choice than either Jackson or Del Toro themselves.
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If you listen to the directors commentary (Del Torro) for PL he says very clearly that the girl is not just living in a fantasy world of her own making. but actually experienced real magic and was reborn as the princess. He gave expamples as to why the magic was real and not just imagined.
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Why shouldn't a movie show that life is unfair? Why shouldn't? What is this nonsense notion that movies are only to be about escapism? Ever heard of CATHARSIS? Movies are very good at that too. But basically, it all goes down to one simple fact: how is the tale better told? And in the case of PAN'S LABYRINTH, by telling it as gloomy as it is. Otherwise, it's an abonoxious insulting disneyfication. You will have tor ealise that there's some culture,s like my own and the iberians, and the mexicans, who can enjoy and like a tale that is not all rosy happy shit. In fact, that gloomy mood to PAN'S LABYRINTH makes the movie much closer to the old folktales of old then any disneyfied happy ending bullshit that Disney and the hollywood studios keep on churning as if that's the law. I thjknk my lucky starts that a movie like PAN'S LABYRINTH exists. It's a great antidote to the other light-hearted bulslhit that keeps on getting made with the excuse of being "fantasy". Thank goodness for Guilçhermo Del toro and his mexican sensebilities and more importantly, his intellectual and artistic integrity when he made PAN'S LABYRINTH. Any chances in PAN'S LABYRINTH would ruin it, specially making it more light-hearted and happy ending crap. And i would hate to be in a world where there wasn't a movie like PAN'S LABYRITH exactly as it is. As it is, PAN'S LABYRINTH is what still makes it worthwhile to be a movie lover/movie geek/cinephile. PAN'S LABYRINTH reminds me why i fell inlove with movies.
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And still a little girl died in the real world, and nobody knew her better fate in the magical kingdom. So, PAN LABYRINTH has both a happy ending and a very sad ending. And notice that the last shot of the movie is in the ral world, and the pain of those who loved her crying at her death. This is one of those things that makes PAN'S LABYRINTH the awesome movie that it is. It's not a movie for pussies. It's hardcore, true cinema.
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Who can understand that shit? If you have to complain about a LOTR mvoie, compalin about THE RETURN OF THE KING, at least with that one has meritous reasons to not be completly satisfied with it. As soemone above said, ROTK is a movie in which the whole is less then the sum of it's parts.
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Many of the classic fantasy stories were not "fluffy" at all and didnt always end with a Disney like "happy ending". More often than not they ended with a morality lession of one kind or another. And they often were based on the real life situations of the peoples of the time they were written, which wasnt always pleasant. IMO PL is in that same vain of classic fantasy.
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Very good point, and that scene had a strong effect on me as well, dang good stuff.
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Still laughing at the guy who thinks Legend of the Seeker is better. Classic! I've seen better acting and writing in my local Am Dram school.
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Alfonso Cuarón<P>Terry Gilliam<P>Peter Weir<P>Wes Anderson<P>John Hillcoat
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You've got to be kidding me...
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you either need to watch it again, or go home and rethink your life because you are clearly doing it wrong.
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Great movie by a Juan Antonio Bayona, a Del Toro "understudy". Similar in some respects to LABYRINTH, except it uses terror instead of fantasy as its storytelling technique.
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I read your post and after much thought...eh, the movie still sucks. And go fuck yourself with your pretentious movie jibber-jabber.
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have names like fetticular or Darth macchio...star wars related names. aww poor diddums are you still bent out of shape that the LOTR kicked the living shit out of the prequels on every single level?? what with the prequels being three of the worst films of all time I know that is not a hard task but oscars, critics, even worldwide BO all fell in LOTRs favor. you really need to let it go.
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Poor Al Gore. Tragic really. HIs marriage ends after 40 years. And the internet he invented is filled with illiterate morons who would struggle mightily to post watchable one minute youtube videos, but somehow have the expertise to criticize visionaries like Jackson, Lucas, etc. I just hope the global warming thing works out for him.
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June 1, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
I would much rather Raimi did this than World of Warcraft
by JackSlater4
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There's no pretentiousness in liking and supporting and defending proper good movies. And to call out on those who can't see the forest for the trees. Really, those who can«t understand why PAN'S LABYRINTH is a great movie, that's their their problem.
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where he talks about how The Hobbit licked his asshole and cupped his balls while felching his belly button?
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It's a competeing franchise and WETA and ILM are competing effects houses, so it would never happen.<P> And he doesn't really like to direct.
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I wasn't impressed much with THE ORPHANAGE. It was alright, but nothing great. Nice little movie, that's all there is to it.<br><br>The true spiritual sister movie to PAN'S LABYRINTH is a much older spanish movie called THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. Guilhermo Del Toro himself admits as much.
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someone may have suggested this already, there are too many posts.<P> I know it's a pipe dream though because he obviously has other projects waiting (Hellboy is overrated)<P> Spike Jonze could do Ninja Turtles though, and it would be a nice fuck you to WB.
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Oh, wait! I meant Labyrinth!
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compared to the first one. Incredibly weak premise, dumb LOTR-lite backstory, "elves" that seemed straight out of Blade II.
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Hellboy 2 was amazing, I knew nothing of this character, I saw the first one, loved it. Part 2 was awesome, and I am eagerly awaiting a part 3 to round this out. Please say it will be so.
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I would buy a ticket today.
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Neil Bloomkamp. He needs something before he does "District 10" with a real budget.
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...Labrynth" came from America because it was advertised and promoted here in the States as a wonderful fantasy movie with dark elements, and just delivered a dark reality instead? Again, I don't dismiss anyone's pain here, over the historical events, I just feel that the film would have played better for me if the girl had survived. Sometimes Disney doesn't have its place, but sometimes it does. I thought about your point though, a lot, and these historical based films do serve a point, to remind everyone about the true face of fascism, so that when we see it rise again, we will recognize it, its face, and reject it before it surfaces to gain control of our countries via the power centers of our governments. The more powerful ending is as written and filmed, I admit that, but it is very, very sad.
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...the middle finger, if I was Raimi, I'd continue on with "War Craft" and I wouldn't look back, even if Jackson asked me to reconsider.
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and based off a PC video game that carries a sweaty smelly dork stigma the likes of which hasn't been seen since Magic the gathering and dungeons and dragons before it.<P> Why make Gobots if you could make Transformers?
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I have no problem with your subjective statements regarding LOTR. In fact, you may even be a bit surprised that I, for the most part, agree with them. However, subjectiveness has NOTHING to do with what I was saying in response to Dioxholster. If you actually read my post at 06:58:48 PM, you would see that he casting blanket statements about the trilogy for people at large. It has nothing to do with a subjective criticism. He doesn't speak or me and I'm sure he doesn't speak for you.
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LEGEND OF THE SEEKER? Really?!?! Eeeeeesh! Talk about a banal, piss-poor excuse for a fantasy adventure show. In fact, it's the latest example of how embarrassing the emotionally stunted fantasy genre can be. What a load!<P>You may not have liked LOTR and that's fine. But one thing I know for sure...<P>SPARTACUS: BLOOD & SAND absolutely owns your SEEKER ass!!!
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I kind of agree, and I own all the comics and loved the first movie, so I am by no means a "hater". My biggest beef was that the story line was almost exactly like BLADE 2 (another Del Toro movie). He even got the same actor (Luke Goss) to play the same part. It all looked great, and some parts were pretty funny, but ultimately nothing was new or interesting. And it's even worse to leave a sort of cliffhanger which will probably never be continued.
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The girl lived and didn't. That's the beauty of it. And yes, it's a sad ending, seen from a certain perspective. So what? It's what the movie needed, and it was it got, and it's the better for it.<br><br>There was a talkbacker before who said it best by quoting from Roger Ebert. He said soemthign to the effect that "There are no depressing good movies. I feel elated by watching a good tragedy. I feel depressed when i watch a bad comedy." And the old boy is right. He's compeltly right. I rather watch a movie with a sad ending that is the proper perfect ending to it, then some disneyfied happy ending bullshit that serves no propose to the story whatsoever and is only included because of some demented notions of what the public wants or not and fuck story integrity. I rather be elated by a sad unhappy ending, like i did with PAN'S LABYRINTH, then to have a disneyfied decaffed happy ending bullshit that would betray the whole movie. An happy ending might had been more palatable for some sensebilities, but the ending that PAN'S LABYRINTH has puts it into legend. As a cinephile and who loves and wants what's best for cinema and films, I rather have that.
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I'm not even sure if Dioxholster speaks for Dioxholster, to tell you the truth.
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Then I think you may be beginning to see the light.
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Any kid's crayon drawings is ten time better then the movie 300, so you are damning SPARTACUS with faint praise.<br><br>Anmd there is only one way to really fullfil the hole left by ROME: More ROME. Movies, new series, whatever. but only ROME can replace ROME.<br><br>As for John Milius, what's not to love about the guy? I'm an eurpean left winger, which means i'm at the polar opposite of the political spectrum form Milius, and still i have unboud respect for the man, and not just because he directed CONAN THE BARBARIAN. He is the real deal, which is more then can be said about the vast majority of the people making movies in Hollywood.
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Well, Spartacus did died. But in battle.
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Just because it's Sf i'm supposed to go gay on it? I have better things to do with my life. The thing that makes me really pissed off is to suppose that just because i'm a mahjor Sf fan, that anything will do to please me. It's quite the contrary. As a major SF fan, i agree with the Theodore Sturgeon Law: 90% of SF is crap.
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Why stay on a project for a company that may not next year. He might as well go and do other films. MGM is pretty fucked when you can't get funding for two of the most successful in the history of cinema ie LOTR and James Bond. Hellboy 3 is hopefully on its way even if under performed at the box office, its DVD/TV sales made it a hit.
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I've just been reading about MGM's money troubles, and I have to agree with those who said The Hobbit is dead. <p>Even if MGM scrounges up enough cash to get the ball rolling again, there will be an enormous amount of pressure hoisted on the producers. If it finally goes into production, it will likely do so under-budget, and with an accelerated shooting and editing schedule. Now, its true that some great movies have been made under tremendous pressure, but rarely are those movies on anything like the scale of The Hobbit. Audiences already have high expectations for The Hobbit, we won't settle for a half-hearted attempt. <p> I still think they should revise the script, turn it into one movie, and have bring Del Toro back into the fold. That'll shorten the production time and reduce the budget plus result in the fastest possible return on investment.
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... and then migrated to New Line Cinema. And seems that Sony is very involved with the James Bond movies. Besides, this is not the first time MGM goes bankrupted. The spoils and the most promising properties will go so somebody else. And i don't see James Bond ending for good just because of MGM's bankrupcy.
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he sucks as a filmmaker!
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So, we should force Jackson to be fat again so he can find his mojo back? Force feed him cheeseburgers until he returns to his fat hobbit looks of years past?
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June 2, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST
What other directors need the back-in-time treatment too?
by AsimovLives
Return Francis Ford Copolla to the 70s?<br><br>Make Lucas listen to others' criticism as he used to?<br><br>Return Ridley Scott to his 38-to-45 years age bracket?<br><br>Make Zemeckis be Spielberg's ass-bitch slave again?
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Both the campy Emmerich film and the various shitty TV spin-offs. Dickholster needs