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Michael Emerson Describes The Long Post-Finale Bonus Coming To The Last LOST Blu-ray!!

I am – Hercules!! On G4’s “Attack Of The Show” today, Michael Emerson described the unaired sequence that will appear on DVD and Blu-ray Aug. 24: “For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete ‘Lost’ series, there is a bonus feature, which is, um, you could call it an epilogue. A lost scene. It’s a lot. It’s 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley becoming number one and the end of the series.” This is not it:
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  • May 26, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    It Still won't be enough....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    To answer the main questions, the real questions, that everyone wanted answering.<br>"All the Mysteries will be Revealed" - Yeah Right.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Hell Yeah

    by Clownblood

    I was hoping that they would expand on that era.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    I get why they didnt

    by xcornealiousx

    ...to leave you to wonder, but I can't wait to see the beginning of that new era on the island. And...AllSeeingEye...apparently you need lasik, because most of the BIG questions were answered. We know what the island was about, we know what happened to the characters, we know who Jacob is, know enough about the smoke monster, know PLENTY about the Dharma Initiative. You're the type who was the annoying kid, who would never stop asking questions. Did Darlton ever claim all questions would be revealed? All I remember them saying was, Vincent WILL survive to the last scene.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I hear Walt is in it too.

    by RPLocke

    An Older Walt returns to the island.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    "all mysteries revealed"

    by Bouncy X

    thats just what ABC used in their ads so you can't fault anyone on the show. its no secret that networks do the advertising without the help or consent of the showrunners or anyone affiliated with whatever series it is. but yeah i am curious about that extra Emmerson mentioned. the complete series is a spiffy looking package too. even comes with that game jacob and his brother played. lol

  • May 26, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    can..not...wait!

    by Acid_Frio

    .....its a show that will never die...

  • May 26, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I Dknt Need Anything More, It was Perfect

    by Crow3711

    But I'll take it, of course. I'm all over that series box set. Going rest next to my The Wire box set. The only two shows worth owning the entire series of, IMO

  • May 26, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    "All the Mysteries will be Revealed"

    by Amazing Maurice

    Can we sue them for false advertising?

  • May 26, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Major money grab or....

    by The Dum Guy

    Will they save it for the movie version?

  • May 26, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    "All the Mysteries will be Revealed"

    by Xaximus

    LIES, FUCKING LIES!!!

  • May 26, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    If Heroes had played it's cards right...

    by Ronald Raygun

    ...it could be reaping the benefits of all the disappointed Lost fans looking for another show to give their undying devotion to.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Oh ok ABC

    by yubnubrocks

  • May 26, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Bend over just oooone more time, "Lost" fans...

    by Rocco Curioso

    Uncle Mikey E. promises it won't be like the previous 6 years of ass reamings.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    sorry, here's the link

    by yubnubrocks

    http://io9.com/5548408/abc-admits-losts-final-moments-were-meaningless

  • May 26, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Ben - one of the all-time great TV characters

    by performingmonkey

    Michael Emerson reading a shopping list would still be amazing.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Disappointed Losties should hitch their wagon to Fringe.

    by I Hope You Die

    They answer questions on that show. Actually, I think the Observers are the only unexplained part now, since pretty much everything else was explained in the last few episodes of the second season.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    yep, Fringe

    by yubnubrocks

    does give you more hard answers. More of a "science" show - still about the characters, but they answer stuff. As for the observers.... guess (i hope) we'll find out.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Also known as....

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the Stockholm Syndrome Set.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I LOVE FRINGE!!!!!

    by JaredP

    and with shows like lost dollhouse bsg all ended fringe is the last geek show we have to look forward to

  • May 26, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    What a shocker. Would have never seen this

    by GQtaste

    coming. Those folks can go fuck themselves. If they had a direction they wanted to go they had three years to make it. They choose to go the way they went and it was the punk bitch route. <p> This is bullshit and everybody but the fanatics will see that. <p> If you didn't know the show all you had to do was watch two episodes: the first and the last. That's it. Everything in between was just writers trying to find ways to occupy the time.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    These guys are worse than drug dealers.

    by GQtaste

  • May 26, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    GQ

    by yubnubrocks

    So you didn't enjoy the show during it's 6-year run?

  • May 26, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Fringe is awful.

    by RPLocke

    Oooh geeee, they did a alternate universe epsiode. Uh yeah, most sci fi shows do. No biggie.

  • that only 1 person actually needs to buy it in order for us to see the feature.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    How Dare They!!!

    by DeltonParker

    Rip us off like that.. oh hell who am I kidding I'll buy the DVD.. I once paid $200 dollars for one of pam anderson's pubes.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by maxin n relaxin

    true story

  • May 26, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    After the ending of Lost no desire to try Fringe

    by OutsideChance

    I spent six years watching what I thought was a science fiction show only to have it turn into "the Sixth Sense" at the end, despite repeated denials by the producers that it had nothing to do with magic or purgetory. Why should I trust Abrams not to pull another cliche ending out of his ass for that show too?

  • May 26, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    sounds cool

    by smokie

    I would love to see The Hurley Years. I. I always thought it should have ended with Hurley as the "hero". I am glad they went that route in the end. <br><br> I can't help it though, the religulicious turn the finale took still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Although I like it better each time I see it. <br><br>Of course I won't be purchasing this. But I will be first in line to download it. <br><br> ABC needs to remove "All the mysteries will be revealed" from the ad. Um. no they won't. <br><br>

  • May 26, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    OutsideChance

    by PurityOfEssence

    I don't think Abrams has anything to do with the day to day of Fringe and he certainly didn't have much to do with LOST after the first season. I think he only wrote a few more episodes after that. But he wasn't the show runner. I'm not defending Fringe as I have never seen it, I just don't think the above reason is a valid one for dismissing that show.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson is So Cool!

    by Dave I

    Bring on the haters, but I'm fine with it. I mean, they added 20 minutes already, it sounds like it's not vital to the story, but it's pretty cool sounding. I mean, there were going to be cool extras anyway, and you can see it (or read about it) anyway once it's released.<p><p>I don't know, I liked the series enough as-is, we get more answers, we kind of knew that was coming for a while anyway. What's to gripe about?<p><p>-Cheers

  • May 26, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    "Why should I trust Abrams not to pull another cliche ending out

    by AshokForgiven

    JJ Abrams literally had nothing to do with LOST.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Lost as a series may have failed but don't take it

    by HerbDean

    out on Fringe. Fringe after 2 seasons has been more satisfying than any network drama, and it's better than Supernatural but that's just my opinion. Oh Snap!!

  • May 26, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson is great!! Cuse & Lindelof... not so much

    by HerbDean

  • May 26, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    they're still angry?

    by Bouncy X

    wow....its just a tv show kids, get over it. but it is funny to see the people who hate it still keep harping about it. lol

  • May 26, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    If ABC didn't air so many damn commercials...

    by Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames

    ..we probably would have seen this sequence Sunday night. That said, I like that it's an expanded edition of sorts. I have the first 5 seasons on Blu thanks to Amazon running a ridiculous sale for them as a package right before Xmas, so hopefully you get this extra footage with Season 6 and they don't make you buy the whole set. If they only put it on the whole set of every season, I'll wait for it to hit Youtube.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    After pilot, Abrams was pretty much out

    by ennio

    Cuse recently said that Abrams had to exit LOST early because he decided to direct MI:3. So Cuse was brought in during the 1st season since Lindelof had no experience as a showrunner. That being said, the awesome pilot was Abrams.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I'm suppose to buy a series that doesn't give a shit...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    about its audience?!?!<p>DALTON/ABC/DISNEY CAN KISS MY ASS! THEY WON'T GET A SINGLE CENT FROM ME!!!

  • May 26, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    fuck those moneygrabbing bastards

    by lostboytexas

    maybe hitler was right after all?

  • May 26, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    what if the extra minutes are...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Vincent skull fuckin Jack... 12 minutes of it... hey, at least ill feel less dicked by LOST if they did it since it wont raise any unanswerable questions...will it? *poom*

  • May 26, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    So Hurley lasted 12 minutes as island protector?

    by Dapper Swindler

    Sounds about right. Really great number one there.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    lol Dapper, Hurley got stuck in the foot

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...and Ben just cemented him inside... where the cement come from? well, it doesnt matter

  • May 26, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Chop the metaphysical bullshit coda out of the finale...

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... And by extension the whole flash-sideways storylines from the whole season, and it was pretty serviceable. I get what they were trying to do but it didn't work, itvfelt tacked on and unnecessary, and left a bad taste. They could've spent the time they had with the happy-verse building the mythology of the Magic Golden Cave, Jacob and the MIB - at least then it would've been a gradual build up, not pissed away in one flashback episode. Cos as it stands, the last four episodes smack of them realising they just couldn't wrap everything up, and shoehorning in an inane plot device to base a climactic setpiece around. I'm still pissed off about it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a great ride getting there though.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Actually Fringe has no secrets anymore

    by tangcameo

    It pretty much abandoned it's X-files-ish freaks of the week and leaned towards it's central story thread (which I think they were making up on the run anyway) and have laid out all their secrets. In fact the season finale seemed like a fitting end to a series if it had been cancelled. Besides with Fringe you can again watch it more for the relationships between characters than for the secrets.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Island-verse destroyed and Everyone escaping into alt-verse

    by tangcameo

    With Jack being the last to wake up, in the midst of his father's funeral, attending by all the people from the island who've woken up. Now that's how it should have ended. And if they still wanted the "they're all dead" they could have done it with a bit more subtlety and tact - like have Desmond and Christian or Eloise whispering at the back of the church, unseen by Jack and the Losties. Christian or Eloise asking, "Desmond? When are you going to finally tell them they're dead?" And he'd say something like "All in good time, brother."

  • May 26, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Bonus Scene Spoiler

    by The Greatest

    I've seen the outtake for this but can't say how. It is CGI heavy and features a thinnerbut unaged Hurley and Ben walking toward a futuristic snowbound city. Hurley tells Ben that the first of the new candidates is ahead. It fades to black. Interesting but it was edited out because it didn't flow with the rest of the finale.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    HollywoodHellraiser

    by RPLocke

    Shit, you don't care about movies either, so why bother? All you do is bitch.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Bonus Scene Spoiler

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...people are watching the extra 12 minutes, then they realize they were still dicked by LOST...

  • May 26, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Bonus Scene Spoiler

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...people will watch the extra, and intrepret idiotic theories like the plane really crashed in Australia

  • May 26, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    that was a nice touch

    by punto

    calling Ben "Number 2". Is Jack "Number 6"?

  • May 26, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Johnny is number 5.

    by RPLocke

  • May 26, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I stopped liking Lost before the finale.

    by I Hope You Die

    I think Season 4 where they introduced a bunch of new characters (from the Freighter) and made all the existing characters unlikeable (in the flash forwards where they were all whiny and depressed) was the turning point for me. It also removed any possibility that the show would finish with them leaving the island. After that the show HAD to finish with something metaphysical, since they'd taken away any possibility of a real resolution for the characters. Leaving the island was the only real ending they could have had. Still, the new characters turned out to be a welcome addition, especially since everyone else pretty much gave up on life after the events of Season 5.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    my lost video: a better ending

    by ToddFluhr

    this is my video of how it should have ended! remember to remove the SPACE before www and watch http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=3Ecbviyssv4

  • May 26, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    and this one:

    by ToddFluhr

    more in the Gilligan theme remember to remove the SPACE before WWW and WATCH---------- http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=1y4-xasQbhU

  • May 26, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Fuck, I thought the Lost finale was brilliant.

    by Dharma4

    No matter how it ended, fans and haters would always bitch. See Chuck monologue in Supernatural season 5 finale, "Swan Song." Truer words never spoken.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson is a BADASS!

    by JethroBodine

    Know what? I DID NOT like the finale of LOST, but that's not to say that the actors on that show weren't TOP-NOTCH, overall they were well above average and Michael Emerson is a shining example of that. In the same way that the mysteries of the island kept you guessing, Michael's portrayal of the character Gale/Linus kept you guessing. He played the ambiguity of that character to the hilt, adding just the right amounts of smarm, menace, and pathos. His understanding and mastery of that character is on par with Ian McSchane's Al Swearengen on Deadwood. Can you imagine those two actors being let loose in the same production together, in the right parts that allows both of them to really show off their creative talents? It'll probally never happen, but I can still dream. Anyway, I digress, Michael Emmerson is a badass and I hope to see him utilized in more film and movie projects. Same with Terry O'Quinn.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Dharma4

    by Burgundy82

    You're not alone, dude. I thought it was fantastic. Outside of these cynical walls, the majority of other people did too -- check the aggregated critic/user reviews on any site that keeps up with that sort of thing. Aint It Cool talkbacks are some the most reliably vitriolic places on the entire internet -- and that's saying something.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    dharma4, i agree

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...but I agree with the whiners or haters that LOST dicked us... go to the real tb to see my real thoughts, Im supposed to already have moved on from lost but here I go again...

  • May 26, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Get Michael Emerson on Fringe!

    by monolithik

    And fuck if all of the haters don't have their panties crawling so far up their asses that they're choking on them, hahah. The finale was pretty darn good.. especially for the corner they'd written themselves into. Get over it. If you can do it better... shut the fuck up and prove it already.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Teh Poler Bares!

    by monolithik

    I cain't enjoy any character developmint until they explains them pollar baers! RAGE!!!

  • May 26, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Teh Smoek Montser!!!

    by monolithik

    I needs bleuprince on how to build 1 or i'll call them liers! They promiced to explains it! I cain't enjoys my fantasy TV shows if'n I has to use mah imaginashun!

  • May 26, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I want to know what the Losties did in Heaven.

    by Flip63Hole

    I hope that's answered in the extras. Another important question almost as important as "Drive Shaft Plays Purgatory."

  • May 26, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Interesting....

    by blackflowerX

    I can't wait to watch it on You Tube/Pirate Bay...It feel's good not to be trampled by the cash cow....

  • May 26, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Most of the series can be explained by saying:

    by Adelai Niska

    "Jacob was a vague A-hole and Ben was a nutjob as leader of the others." I mean, give an isolated culture proof that there is something supernatural FOR REAL in the place they live, and then give them a REAL deity who refuses to explain things or even show himself for centuries at a time, and after a couple thousand years is it really a mystery why they kidnap kids and brand criminals?

  • May 26, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Unnecessary, but probably worth watching

    by gun_will_travel

    ...as long as I don't have to PAY for it. Ben Linus was BY FAR the most compelling character on the show, right through the finale.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    When you watch the pilot jiust remember they don't

    by RPLocke

    answer a damn thing in six years.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    RPLocke -- They answered plenty.

    by Burgundy82

    I think a lot of people forget exactly how much shit *used to be* a mystery.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Burgundy82

    by RPLocke

    I know they answered some stuff. But not knowing WHO MIB was is a big letdown.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Alternate ending leaked

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    http://i.imgur.com/2OXLq.gif

  • May 26, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Fringe isn't holding out on its mysteries like Lost did

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    It resolves stuff on a regular basis. As of right now I can't even think of anything major on Fringe that I wish they'd explained but haven't.<p> As these types of shows go, it's one of the least frustrating around so don't hold back from watching it because of Lost.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Unanswered Questions

    by KoolerThanJesus

    What happened when Hurley took over the Island is not one of the pressing questions left now that the show is over. A brief list of them include the Dharma food drop, Claire's psychic, WAAAAALT, Hanso, DeGroots, and how did Sawyer keep his hair so soft without washing it for several weeks at a time.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    The most pressing unanswered question

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is why the hell did Dogen walk around in a Samurai outfit when he was a modern businessman, which is what he told Jack he was before Jacob brought him there.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Claire's psychic

    by DeltonParker

    Became the premier of Russia and had Renee Walker killed.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I'm still pissed about the shark...

    by The Dum Guy

    Could you eat it?<br><br>What would it taste like.... with butter?

  • May 27, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Scene had better be on the standalone Season 6 DVD

    by SoupDragon

    No one wants to have to doubledip for the entire series just to get some new footage. HBO already pulled that shit with The Sopranos. Making footage exclusive to complete series sets is really unfair to fans who buy the dvds/blurays as they come out.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Don't worry, it will be on youtube in HD...

    by CCon99

    Probably long before the DVD release.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Don't see the reason to hate

    by daggor

    If you didn't like the show, why watch it for 6 years? If you did like & watch it for 6 years, then only the finale bothered you? I enjoyed the characters, I enjoyed the roller coaster ride. They would have copped out if Jesus or an alien was in the cave. The show was about people on a fucked-up island, and it delivered. There were things I didn't like about the show that popped up occasionally, but I haven't liked a show 100% ever. The Sopranos pissed away the last season with meandering stories on characters I could give a shit about. ST:TNG fell on cliché after cliché, but I sill love those shows for the most part. Same goes for LOST.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    KoolerThanJesus

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>The Dharma food drop? Really? Dude, I for one couldn't give a flying fuck about that. It certainly doesn't deserve to be on the same list as all the other stuff you mentioned.</p> <p>I think we learned all we need to know about Hanso and the DeGroots...I mean, it would be *cool* to know more, no doubt, but, personally, I think we're fine leaving them a mystery.</p> <p>Walt, and his abilities, and the dire warning from Claire's psychic, on the other hand...those are huge, dramatic plot threads that were just left dangling in the wind...I could not agree with you more on those two.</p> <p>Also Sawyer's hair.</p>

  • May 27, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by RPLocke

    Did you notice that Claire's Psychic was WRONG? According to the Echo episode he was a fraud. There was nothing important about Aaron. NOTHING!

  • May 27, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    monolithik

    by severianx1

    Give it up, it's only yourself that you're making look stupid.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    OutsideChance

    by severianx1

    I feel your pain. I too thought it was a science fiction show, and for five seasons they certainly seemed to go to great lengths to make it seem like one. If I'd have known it was going to turn out to be fantasy, and bad fantasy at that, I probably would have stopped watching long ago.

  • May 27, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    Walt is in the extended footage on the DVD

    by BillboeFett

    which I said 3 days ago in the finale thread, but no one probably saw it do to the flood of dissapointers, haters, Jaters, Masturbators, innovators, skaters, and all around LOST-Crusaders. So let it be, so let it be done. Amen.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams wrote the finale church scene 6 years ago

    by BillboeFett

    and they stuck to their guns; thats why Ben wasn't in the scene (clever plot device added to have him outside). </BR> <P> <p> So then you say "hey there brother Bilbo... what say you about the appearance of Desmond then? He wasn't on LOST until s2??? A-HA!! GOTCHA!" <p> </BR> <P> To which I say "naw.. JJ Abrams had the hatch idea already in play when they wrote the pilot, and they knew they needed a man in it, and that became Desmond. So even the hatch-guy was included in the final church scene where they all go to heaven together

  • May 27, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    my above post about JJ Abrams writing the finale scene is

    by BillboeFett

    is from guy who worked for Bad Robot, fascinating interview here: </BR> <p> <P> http://tinyurl.com/2vaaflf

  • May 27, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    "I thought it was a science fiction show"

    by MattmanReturns

    It had science fiction elements, but it also had fantasy elements, drama, romance, comedy, adventure, action... etc. A lot of you don't seem to understand that Lost never pigeonholed itself into any one genre. I'm not sure what some of you are smoking though. You DID see the episode where Ben moved the island by turning a wheel with glowy orange light... right? Did you honestly think there'd be a scientific explanation for that? This show owed a LOT to Dark Tower, which was also a jumble of genres, including sci-fi and fantasy. The writers made it very clear in interviews that they were inspired by Dark Tower. So those of you hating it simply for it not being exclusively sci-fi were watching the wrong show (and that should have been clear to you well before the finale).

  • May 27, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    BillboeFett

    by BlueLando

    1) That's already been debunked as the scrawlings of an an intern fired three years ago. <p> 2) Even if JJ did write the scene, it was rewritten. Because Desmond, Penny, Juliet and Libby weren't introduced till S2. They didn't even know Desmond was in The Hatch till they started writing 201. So, at best, JJ was rewritten.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    "Lost" refers to the writers, not the characters

    by harmless

    a tv show based on the monk joke. lame.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:33 a.m. CST

    BillboeFett

    by Cap'n Jack

    He didn't write the finale church scene, that was season six garbage. JJ wrote the 'Jack falls down in bambo, Vincents walks up, Jacks eye closes' scene. THAT was the scene that they had in mind since season 1. That bad robot thing is fake.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST

    I was going to buy them anyway...

    by Zardoz

    So I definitely will, now! Loved the finale, but they totally left it open for more... Coming in 2014, LOST:The Movie! (it's gonna happen!)

  • May 27, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Lost is ???=$$$

    by Lashlarue

    Oh, and throw in a happy ending

  • May 27, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST

    I'll be buying it. I found the finale very satisfying.

    by V'Shael

  • May 27, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    this'll be added to the syndicated version of the episode

    by Tall_Boy66

    No, really. Think about it. "The End" is not enough for a 3 part syndicated episode, and you'd have to hack it to pieces for a 2 part syndicated episode (I think they cut 2 minutes out to make it an even 40 or something. I know Simpsons episodes lose quite a bit). So, they add these 12 minutes to "The End" and, boom, a two and a half part episode becomes a 3 part episode. I get the feeling "The End" could have been a three parter, but ABC told them "Fuck you, we're giving you a half hour." As it stands, I think the episode wasn't missing much of anything so it'll be fun. Speaking of this article, why did Herc feel the need to label it "Blu Ray" and not "DVD"? It made me wonder if I had to shell out for the Blu Ray and not the DVD set instead (I don't want a blu ray set for S6 with my S1-5 DVD sets. It would be weird.) Does Herc have stock in Sony/Blu Ray? I don't get it.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    meh

    by Mr_P

    Come to the conclusion that the ending was a cop out and that the intention from Losts initial pitch was that the Island itself was purgatory but because everyone in the world guessed that pretty much immediately and they didn't want prove everyone right they ditched their original conclusion and cobbled on the last series as subterfuge. Boo I say. Still I enjoyed the show in the main so it doesn't matter that much that the ending sucked. Still Ashes to Ashes was much much better....maybe as a result of the freedom they had from not having a massive global audiance second guessing every move the writers make.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Great, 12 more minutes of meaningless bullshit...

    by Pdorwick

    ...seriously, don't dignify the con job that was Lost by buying any of their merchandise.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    @Mr_P : i don't get it... You liked the Ashes to Ashes ending

    by V'Shael

    and Lost had virtually the SAME ending. Only the place on LOST wasn't constructed by one person (Gene) but by many.<br /><br />How come one of them is okay, but the other one "sucked" ?

  • May 27, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    open letter to michael emerson:

    by soup74

    im sorry, it's not up to you anymore. you dont get time off, you MUST join the cast of fringe.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:14 a.m. CST

    The finale was great. What a wonderful tv show.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I'll miss it very much. :-(

  • May 27, 2010, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack, eh, no

    by BillboeFett

    if you actually clicked on my link, ABC followed up with confirmation that the guy indeed was an employee of Bad Robot/ABC.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Bluelando, eh, no

    by BillboeFett

    not debunked. Confirmed by ABC/Bad Robot, right in the link I gave that you didn't see fit to click on

  • May 27, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    "All the mysteries will be revealed"

    by newc0253

    hey, i loved the finale but - at this point - that tagline is like a giant fuck you to all the people who watched the show looking for answers to any of the myriad number of mytholgy questions.<p> i'm keen to see this extra scene, but do i think it will reveal any of the mysteries? not really.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    LOST finally gave the context and interpretation for the entire

    by BillboeFett

    LOST finally gave the context and interpretation for the entire series, in its final episode, and most of you revolted. Is it not allowed to do that? For a show that was so innovative and mysterious, it ended innovatively, in a mysterious way. <p> <P> </BR> Was it supposed to completely contradict its main premise and suddenly have Richard Dawkins, the Architect from the Matrix, and Darth Vader walk out and explain everything? And turn it into th4 4th or 5th Star Trek iteration? <p> </BR> <P> Hell the fuck no, and thank God. <p> </BR> <P> You atheists have had your shows, now we got ours. <p> <P> </BR> From the very first season we had characters arguing about science vs. faith, we had Rose, a Christian, experience a miracle and prayed with Jack (or was it Charlie?), we had Charlie, a lapsed Catholic, eventually find his faith again, we had Claire and Aaron get baptised, we had Eko w/ his Jesus stick in season 2, we had Desmond living in a monestary training to be a priest, we had Ben retelling the story of Doubting Thomas to Jack about Christ's resurrection, etc. etc. and so forth. <p> <P> </BR> The show has ALWAYS been about God, the devil, heaven, hell, faith, religion, reason, science, spirituality, mysticism, philosophy, etc. but all you Amazing Randy fans were holding out hope s1 Jack would be right and it was all about science and quarks and wormholes and quantum mechanics. </BR> <p> <P> Sorry, Locke was right, and so was the island, and spirituality won out. Deal with it.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:40 a.m. CST

    newc0253, re: mysteries being revealed

    by BillboeFett

    was a specific ABC network pitch, and not from the showrunners themselves. As were the many teasers for the upcoming episodes which were often misleading and sometimes downright lies. I cite the teaser saying "next week, Ben faces his demise", or the teaser showing Sayid clearly shooting Desmond in the well w/ his gun, w/ the gunshot sound amped up.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    ThrowMeTheIdol, re: Fringe and mysteries

    by BillboeFett

    but Fringe also strongly feels like its going to end on either s3 or s4, if that. <p> <P> </BR> Fringe has never claimed to be a LOST clone, and obviously the Bad Robot guys set out to do something different. Its smaller, its simpler, its easier. And I would put John Noble's acting up against Terry O'Quinn, Michael Emerson, Matthew Fox, or Henry Ian Cusick any day.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    tangcameo, Fringe has no mysteries?

    by BillboeFett

    really? Who are the Observers? What do they know about Peter? How did they know it? Why do they predict an incredily hard and rough future for Olivia?

  • May 27, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    If having faith means having to go through

    by Rinse

    a shitty afterlife waiting room where stupid shit happen until you "wake up", then feel free to claim LOST as your theist show. The explanation for the sideways universe makes about as much sense as religion, which is to say, none, and the main reason why the finale sucked ass.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    One thing that needs to be remembered... is that the creators

    by V'Shael

    and the CAST have lied to the audience consistently in interviews.<br /><br />This is something which is (to my memory) virtually unprecedented in TV. I mean, the Coen brothers kind of did it with Fargo. But in TV it's unknown.<br /><br />For the writers to say "We'll see Walt" and he doesn't show up. Or "We'll answer the question of ..." and they don't. Or the actor who played Frank Lapidus saying "No, he's dead. You won't even see him in the Flash sideways. He drowned." etc.. (See his recent interview on televisionwithoutpity.com) <br /><br />They played the audiences expectations against themselves. Even if you liked spoilers, you weren't spoiled. I was as shocked as anyone when Frank turned up alive, because I'd read that interview where he said the submarine was it for Frank.<br /><br />Many viewers who found the finale shit or confusing, do so because they took statements by the writers or cast at face value. And they shouldn't have.<br /><br />Now, you can argue that lying to the audience is a shitty thing to do. Maybe it is. But taking the show on its own, it holds up very well. However, if you try to integrate the show with every statement you happen to believe because it was said in an interview, commentary, podcast, etc... just because it was said by the writers or cast... Well, you're doomed to failure. They lied. Frequently.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST

    @BillboeFett

    by newc0253

    i ain't talking about the advertising for the finale, dude, i'm talking about the tagline on the DVD boxset!<p> putting 'all the mysteries will be revealed' on the box is exactly the kind of bold claim that fucks off the fans who, quite reasonably, expect mysteries to be revealed.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Keep fightin the good fight BilboeFett!

    by NeverTalksBack

    I can't keep arguing with people anymore about this, good luck, I'm with ya ;)

  • May 27, 2010, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by NeverTalksBack

    FRINGE is awesome! :)

  • May 27, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST

    There you go! What happened happened!

    by DeanCubed

    The "its all in jacks head" crew can suck it :P

  • May 27, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Lost extended universe

    by PvtTOUCH

    i think the mythology is rich enough that spinoff books would be quite successful. Maybe some books about hurley & ben's time after jack died or jacob & MIB encountering a previous group of visitors to the island.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:26 a.m. CST

    see you point re Ashes V'Shael

    by Mr_P

    as it was the same ending but I just didn't feel as cheated by it. I felt Ashes wrapped everything up without holding your hand whereas Lost feels like they couldn't be ersed, clipped on an ending and (as someone has already said) you could watch the pilot and the last couple of episodes and you would get all you need (which would be a magic mini series). I just don't like how the time invested in caring about the island is irrelevant. I liked the characters but the whole show for me was not purely about the characters - I can watch re-runs of Cheers for that. P.S. On your point about writers lying I agree, surely it is not their job to tell us what will happen before seeing it so I am totally fine with taking anything they say in advance with a pinch of salt

  • May 27, 2010, 4:32 a.m. CST

    never mind all this

    by rasALclart

    what's this 'attack of the show' bull shit ? Most irritating combo of host and off screen laughing man ever

  • May 27, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Rinse... hilarious...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ... the perfect summation of the sh*tfest that was the Lost finale. A finale that turned me, a Lost fan from day one, against the entire show. Nothing more needs to be said really, except that, like Berman and Braga, I'm now going to hound those hacks Cuse and Lindeloff to the gates of hell, or, in their case, the gates of the "waiting room" that looks like Honolulu.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST

    No way am I giving Cuse and Lideloff $179...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...for yet another tacked-on 15 minute long nonsensical scene.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Fuck Lindelof and Cuse

    by TheApostle

    Anyone who puts any more money into their pockets should be beaten.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Wait. People are seriously pissed

    by monolithik

    about the show being about magic and religion? And as of, oh, just now, and not six years ago? Hahah. Ahh man. That's pretty awesome.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:54 a.m. CST

    MythBusters

    by monolithik

    might be more your speed. They solve shit left and right. With science, too! Occasionally.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:20 a.m. CST

    money grabbing bunch of cunts

    by vicious_bastard

  • May 27, 2010, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Disappointed with LOST? ASHES TO ASHES!

    by spud mcspud

    Start with the UK LIFE ON MARS, go through ASHES TO ASHES, and feast your eyes on a finale so perfect that it shows you EXACTLY how it should be done. Just incredible stuff, that links in all of LIFE ON MARS too - thus proving that Matthew Graham and Ashley Pharaoh had a plan for the ending ALL ALONG - so suck it, LOST writers. A decent resolution CAN be done - you just obviously aren't talented enough to carry it off.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    What I still can't understand is how come...

    by redtom

    ...Jack still does not know, even in this afterlife waiting room, that John Locke was originally paralysed before landing on the island and was subsequently cured... Wouldn't this have provided much-needed character motivation for Jack, as a fucking spinal surgeon(!) who doesn't believe in miracles like that happening, to take on Jacob's role instead of just doing it, well, because?<p>Imagine if Jack, a fucking spinal surgeon(!), had known there was something this amazing about the island - it would have made his decision much more sense, provided it with much more context - hell, they could have made part of his off-island story about somehow finding out that John Locke was paralysed and goin on some sort of investigation to prove this, just to himself, if only to help deal with his mounting feelings of having to go back to the island. It would have put the island's protection much more at stake for Jack...<p> All we got was angsty face-grinding, well acted to be sure, but exasperating to have to watch coz you felt the character, and actor as well, didn't know himself why he was doing anything...<p><p>

  • May 27, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    One last "Fuck You" to fans

    by br1947

    Blatant money grab, I hope they sell 1 of them and that one gets bittorrented to hell

  • May 27, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    @redtom - That's the difference between proof (or at the very

    by V'Shael

    least, evidence) and faith.<br /><br />Jacks journey was to turn from being a man of science to being a man of faith.<br /><br />If he had known for certain about Locke's cure, his change of heart would have been driven by reason, and not by faith.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST

    @V'Shael

    by redtom

    I don't agree, I'm not talking about Jack proving HOW the island cured John Locke, rather just the fact that the island DID it - Jack's change of heart would have been caused by Jack BEGINNING to believe in such things as magic islands and then having the faith to follow through with it, even though he wouldn't actually know HOW the island did such things as cure paralysis...<p><p>

  • May 27, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST

    @RedTom - I wasn't talking about proving how either.

    by V'Shael

    Just knowing that Locke cured him would have been enough. It's irrefutable evidence that something unnatural or supernatural was going on.<br /><br />As it was, in the end Jack didn't have any evidence. He just had faith. At least that's what I think.

  • May 27, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Rinse

    by the new transported man

    Speak the truth, brotha. REAL TALK

  • May 27, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Milk that cow!

    by windomearle39

    Fringe is the future!

  • May 27, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    A future spinoff

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    If this does well, meaning positive buzz, ABC will prob try and get this as a spinoff in 3 or 4 years. Disney Gotta EAT!

  • May 27, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Lost feels in hindsight like a primary text for a cult

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Like the building blocks for the next Scientology.

  • May 27, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I Too Feel The Finale Shouldn't Be Blamed

    by Aquatarkusman

    It's a convenient resting place for everyone's frustrations, but it's just a symptom of the underlying sickness of aimlessness and gross idiocy that infected the show right around the time of the writers' strike. Sure, there have been individually interesting episodes, but you wouldn't have purchased a novelization of the last two seasons' worth of crap, would you?

  • May 27, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    The finale was pretty well made

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    But the rest of season 6 was utter crap and in general season 6 was a big sidestep and fakeout. They had abandoned the religious stuff after season 2 and turned it into more of a scifi show. If they hadn't mostly abandoned it people would have stopped watching long ago.

  • May 27, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Sawyer's reaction to this news: "Son of a BITCH!!!"

    by SpyGuy

    Who needs to answer long-running questions when you can have your characters hug and cry in slo-mo instead?

  • May 27, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    The 2 comments above

    by theGoldbergV

    sum up my feelings perfectly about this show

  • May 27, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    No more secrets in fringe?~?~?

    by Lucidz

    Olivia turned off a friggin bomb with her BRAIN DUDE. I wanna know how deep the rabbit hole goes with how "Special" she is!

  • May 27, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    LOST was too knowing in season 6

    by theGoldbergV

    It almost broke the 4th wall sometimes. Examples: Miles telling Lapidus it was pretty unlikely that Sun's injury would cause her to forget English (note to LOST writers, drawing attention to the stupidity of your plot device does't make it any less stupid). Then there was Mother's "any question I answer will just lead to more questions" - oooh clever, that put me in my place, why should we expect answers from a mystery show? Ilana blowing up because "the Island is done with her" might as well have been because "the writers are done with her". Jacob's line "we're near the end Hugo" is once again, aimed squarely at the audience, and when you discover that Hurley went on to live for another X number of years as Island protector doesn't really make any sense either. <P><P>Then there's the tone of the finale, which is more concerned with being a nostalgic nod to the last 6 years of watching a TV show than providing an ending for the story. That might be ok for some people, but I found it amazingly disappointing.

  • May 27, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    theGoldbergV: EXACTLY!

    by onezeroone

    Your final lines sum up my biggest beef with the finale. I am not surprised that all my female friends who're into chick flicks and romcoms thought the finale was best finale ever, even trumping SATC.

  • May 27, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    People bitching about this being a money grab:

    by HoboCode

    People were going to buy the DVD's anyway.

  • May 27, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    SPOILER: Hurley feeds vincent some water...

    by turketron_2

    And tells him, "now you're like me"<p> LOST

  • May 27, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Hitler is Not Funny . . .

    by Dave I

    And arguing he was right is offensive to all manner of people. Seriously, that is one of the most classless, ignorant, and vile things things you can throw out there. Over what? Extra scenes on the box set of a TV show you don't even like?<p><p>That is both contemptible and inexcusable.<p><p>-Cheers

  • May 27, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Loved the finale....

    by templesweeper

    ....and I can't wait for some more Lost. 12-14 more minutes? Sign me up.

  • May 27, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    @V'Shael - I see where you're coming from...

    by redtom

    ...but what Jack had in the end was nothing but blind faith - by this reasoning, John Locke was the most scientific of the lot as the only reason he had such a hard on for the island throughout the whole series was because he knew he was walking evidence of miraculous cures - even Ben's motivation to manipulate and control Locke was because Ben knew Locke was once paralysed and could now walk, more proof that the island could do such wonderful things and for him to try and control it... these characters all had reasons for doing what they did.<p><p>

  • May 27, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    turketron_2

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    hahah

  • May 27, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    In the end, Lost was just a Lost Opportunity..

    by redtom

    ..and its a pity, as it was enjoyable TV<P> 'Heeeelp Meeeee' in the cabin remains the creepiest thing I can remember on tv for the last few years, and they didn't even need fancy smoke effects for that - they could have done so much more with it all...<p><p>

  • May 27, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Michael Emerson & Jorge Garcie; Imminently Likable

    by Dave I

    They both come across as cool in real-life interviews, and I love both of their characters. Jorge also has a pretty hot girlfriend who seems down with the geekier fanboy segment of TV and film. Score!<p><p>-Cheers

  • May 27, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    My LOST theory

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Okay,I think I got LOST figured out (somewhat).... The light/stream that Jacob was protecting? It's some sort of River Styx(We all know this show involved alot of Greek Mythology-which is referenced via names/candy bars/etc.)-The river is the boundary between Earth and the Underworld (often called Hades which is also the name of this domain's ruler).Also, I found as part of the mythology of the river.. ( According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone immortal/invulnerable.-SOUND FAMILIAR??).Once Jacob tossed his brother down there, SOMEHOW(presumably he "uncorked" it)-he opened the boundary, allowing something to escape.Now, we also know the smoke monster is called CEREBUS (this was shown on the blast door map in season 2).Cerebus is the "3 headed hound from hell", and the guard dog to the gates of hades/hell.So there you have it.This is the reason there was so much reference to greek mythology.Sure, it's still somewhat hazy, and yes-many people have already theorized about smokie,etc.-but the River idea is knew to me.

  • May 27, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    so I'm screwed?

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    if I already own seasons 1-5 on blu-ray? I was only planning on buying season 6 to finish my set. $200+ is a lot to spend on a show I already own most of, and Amazon's trade-in for the first five seasons on blu would only cover $50 of that. That's way too much for one extra disc. Wish they would do something like WB's DVD2BLU, where I could send in all my Lost blu rays for a substantial discount towards the set. Otherwise, only including the bonus in the complete series box is a major DICK move.

  • May 27, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Better than BSG finale?

    by teethgnasher

    I doubt it.

  • May 27, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    johnny

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    I too, like when they just come right out and say it.But, we may have to accept that maybe they didn't have an exact backround painting out.I think they had an idea, and therefore gave us the outline-and allow us to paint in the rest.Also, when the island was moved-the person is teleported to Tunesia.Spending 5 minutes on wiki today,I noticed it says GREEKS once ruled Tunesia.It mentions how the Greeks worshiped Tanit(tanit is the symbol hurley had in his guitar case).Now, I guess this just further illustrates HOW OLD the island is, and that perhaps its some sort of TROY, or ancient city.

  • May 27, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I'm just curious...

    by Joely_Boy

    What do folks think of the very last episode of Twin Peaks?

  • May 27, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    Joely_Boy

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    do you mean of the TV series or the coda Fire Walk With Me?

  • May 27, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I Thought Fire Walk Was a Prequel

    by Aquatarkusman

    The final scene of Agent Cooper and the mirror: awesome. Remember, it's not Lynch's fault they made him "solve" the murder of Laura Palmer near the end of Season 1.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Both, I guess!

    by Joely_Boy

    I love how Fire Walk With Me is both a prequel AND a sequel - pure genius. I wonder if that's ever been done before or since?

  • May 27, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I'll pass...

    by Coughlins Laws

  • May 27, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Clearly, this is another joke ending

    by richier123

    Like the alternate endings on Kimmel. This is just going to be like a joke type of thing, it's got to be. Why would they reveal it on Attack of the Show?!?!

  • May 27, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    You won't buy the Blue Ray set...

    by MachThree

    But you will watch the clip on YouTube. <br /> <br /> Search your feelings. You know it to be true.<br /> <br />

  • May 27, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    idrinkyourmilkshake

    by TheManWhoCan

    The big symbol thing in Hurley’s guitar case was an Ankh, also known as key of life. It’s an Egyptian symbol not a symbol for Tanit. Tanit, who was a goddess worshiped by the Carthaginian people (Tunisia). Although they do look a bit similar. Legend has it that the exiled Phoenician queen from Tyre (Lebanon) queen Eliza (Dido) founded the city then had it off with Aeneas (who escaped Troy when the Greeks finally took the city at the end of the trojan war) he abbandoned her after a while because the gods wanted him to continue on and found Rome. Grief stricken she committed suicide on a pyre build out of Aeneas’ stuff he left behind and swaring that Carthage would always be an enemy of Aeneas people (the romans). Later her people deified her as the god Tanit.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Preview the extra scene now, for free!

    by MachThree

    http://tinyurl.com/2wa7sj6

  • May 27, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    It says "mysteries will be revealed" not "answered"

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    So it's not false advertising. The tagline says they will "reveal" all the mysteries, which the show definitely did: it introduced a whole fucking lot of mysteries. But it doesn't say "all the mysteries will be solved."

  • May 27, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    That final shot in...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Fire Walk With Me is just emotionally shattering. It is at once revelation, climax and coda, placing in a horribly tragic context everything that had come before. <p> It's the kind of moment you wish you could write just once before you die.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Was the scene shot specifically for the DVD?

    by MachThree

    Or was it edited out of the finale because it was so good that we should spend $200 for it.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    why the fuck are you people

    by smokebudmonster

    why are you people never happpy with any form on entertainment that this is show is putting out? why not make this and put it on there, its better then it not exsisting. the true lost fans are the ones that are going to withness this and im sure it will be great so fuck you and fuck them who ever has a problem with LOST and the great things they are still doing with it. FUCK YOU and fuck FRING lost keeps you more engaged in its story SO once again FUCK YOU

  • May 27, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that freeze frame on Laura's face too

    by Joely_Boy

    and how it mirrors her "wrapped in plastic."

  • May 27, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Waaaaaaah!

    by Mr Lucas

    I'm never going to watch a film or TV show again in case they don't end it or explain it properly. That'll teach 'em! If I pick up a book I'm going to read the end first just to make sure it's worth my time reading the rest of it.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    the people bitching about lost

    by ZO

    r the people who didnt watch lost answers? what kind of boring ass show answers every mystery?

  • May 27, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    People who are hating on Lost...

    by MachThree

    Also hate Christmas because Santa turned out to be fake, and Disneyland sucked because as a kid you believed all the characters were real but they just turned out to be teenagers wearing costumes for minimum wage.

  • May 27, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I really liked season 5

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    I dug the time travel stuff and the season was pretty self-contained in a closed-loop way.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Loved lost, hated flash sideways.

    by jonsnow

    Should have done another season.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    The most egregious things that Season 6 did...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Besides NOT answering ANYTHING about the island (wow, so Jacob and MIB were just early versions of Jack and Locke who were early versions of Hurley and MIB... whoop-dee-fuckin' doo!) were:<p>1) Taking something for which they'd established the rules over five previous seasons (flashbacks and flash forwards) and, suddenly, making the "flashes" in the final season purgatory (which they explicitly said they were NOT going to do).<p>2) Abandoning the Desmond as "The Constant" stuff.<p>3) Abandoning the scientific-philosophic argument of "what happened, happened" vs. the exploding of the nuke in 1974.<p>They literally dropped every discussion and argument they'd made for five seasons in favor of "magical glow cave," Jacob, MIB, and purgatorial visions. I've spent four days now with piss-poor sleep this has bothered me so much. I go to sleep thinking 'bout how we got sold out, I dream about it, then I wake up still pissed about it. Five fucking years of a building mystery arc and philosophic arguments that culminate in fucking purgatory. Go fuck yourself, Lost! Your show ended at Season Five.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Hitler

    by Katet19

    I hear he had a killer stand up act.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Oh and for the whiner who asked someone to write a better season

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I think I might take you up on that. Hell, personally, I even made the prediction that Desmond was "The Constant" because he could see between two worlds, the original timeline and the alt-timeline. As such, he was maneuvering the people in alt-LA back on board Ajira 316. When FLockey McSmokerson was about to destroy the island and undo the cork, Desmond would sacrifice himself to bridge two worlds, save the island, and return the Losties to the island in a beach scene reminiscent of the Pilot. Full circle as Flocke and Jack look down at the new/old castaways from alt-LA, a group that we both know and don't know, and FLocke says something about how the game begins again. I'd also have not abandoned the entire "what happened, happened" vs. the nuke discussion.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Aquatarkusman

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Twin Peaks wasn't "solved" near the end of season one. Season one was a pilot and seven eps. The mystery was "solved" in the ninth episode of season two, "Arbitrary Law." I love David Lynch like nobodies business, but sometimes that guy is better when he's got people reining him in. Just like Lucka$$ with the Star Wars prequels, Lynch needs somebody to give some structure and guidance on occasion.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer:

    by Aquatarkusman

    Thanks; you're right. I got the boxed set and forgot where one Season started and the other ended. In any event, Lynch wasn't even really the show runner; he scripted and directed only about 5 of the 30 episodes, didn't he?

  • May 27, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Lynch

    by pointyskull

    Lynch didn't think a resolution to "who killed Laura Palmer?" was important or necessary. So when the network pressured for an ending he went for something completely bizarre to shut them up.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but all those Lynch episodes

    by Joely_Boy

    stand out like dog's balls in terms of quality!

  • May 27, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Did anyone see that strange

    by Joely_Boy

    self-contained 'movie' cut of Twin Peaks where they shot Bad Bob in the hospital? And then it went to 25 years later in the Red Room?!

  • May 27, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Fire Walk With Me

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    is my favourite movie ever, twinned with Aliens. I first saw it when I was 14, back in 95, very late at night. I had no knowledge of the tv series, but I was blown away. Nightmarish, captivating, with a sort of logical disconnect, it felt exactly like a dream state.<P> Of course, a couple of years later, I set about buying the TV series. It is hard to explain just how hard it was to do this in the mid 90s, it only existed on a Canadian VHS label with an awful transfer which cost me £200 with shipping. Second series went to shit, not necessarily because they answered the central mystery, but they didn't try to extend the mythology; instead they decided to tread water and go the soap opera route. Windom Earle kind of bugged me, some dodgy acting, but Lynch's finale was fantastic, and what a place to leave Cooper. I'm waiting for 2015 and for Hubba Bubba to become fashionable again.<P> I'm fed up of arguing about Lost. If people really did come away completely satisfied, then that's awesome for them. That's how I felt until the second episode of the final season. I don't care if they did or didn't have it all planned out from the start, but the complete collapse of storyline suggests they didn't have it all planned out last month. People keep coming up with plot holes or inconsistencies (like above, Locke need only tell Jack of his paralysis, BOOM! Instant Faith)and it hurts, because the problems with this show lie only in the catastrophic last series. A well-plotted 23 episode run would have knocked this show out of the fucking park.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    We're not gonna talk about Judy!

    by Joely_Boy

  • May 27, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Joely

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    that was the UK/European 'cut' of the pilot. They insisted on an 'ending' so that people watching wouldn't be disappointed. Why people would want resolution in a pilot episode, or why the pilot was even rush-released as a standalone movie, is beyond me. It confuses the shit out of anyone who gets hold of it, which in the UK was just about everyone. You have to stop watching the pilot when the necklace is being messed with in the woods.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Joely

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    that was the UK/European 'cut' of the pilot. They insisted on an 'ending' so that people watching wouldn't be disappointed. Why people would want resolution in a pilot episode, or why the pilot was even rush-released as a standalone movie, is beyond me. It confuses the shit out of anyone who gets hold of it, which in the UK was just about everyone. You have to stop watching the pilot when the necklace is being messed with in the woods.

  • May 27, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Bowie

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    was fantastic. FWWM showed that there was plenty of life left in the concept of Twin Peaks. I always wanted to know what happened to Philip Jeffries (and Chet Desmond for that matter).

  • May 27, 2010, noon CST

    What's so great about Fire Walk With Me is

    by Joely_Boy

    the fact that there's no exposition needed in the whole film, cos' we already know so much about the town and it's inhabitants. And we get to see a little bit more of Coop.

  • May 27, 2010, noon CST

    THEMANWHOCAN-good stuff-

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    and MACHTHREE-bravo, twas hilarious

  • May 27, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Sooo Awesome!

    by blhotz

    First all the important mysteries are revealed and we are emotionally driven into over-drive and now we get to see the first 15 minutes of possibly the best ever spin-off that could be in production at this moment ;) !

  • May 27, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Taking the show on its own, it holds up very well." Uh, no, it doesn't. Even omitting the external claims of the creators, producers, and actors (and that's a pretty big fuckin' omission, but whatever), the show STILL went to shit in the sixth season. They entirely dropped all philosophic and scientific arguments for a poor man's Highlander (or some such). They also explicitly lied to the audience IN THE SHOW ITSELF. Season one, flashbacks, reality. Season two, flashbacks, reality. Season three, flashbacks, reality. Season four, flash forwards, reality. Season five, flash forwards, reality. Season six, flash sideways, PURGATORY!!! This isn't a clever plot twist and there was NO groundwork laid for this. Not in the plot or in the dialogue or anywhere. This purgatory shit was a horrible lie played on the audience. In fact, the writers clearly laid the groundwork for the sideways being an alternate reality created by the bomb (see all of season five). For five seasons before this, we're treated to conflict and discussion about philosophy and science and time travel and alternate realities and then, suddenly, these assholes decide that none of that mattered (NONE OF THAT MATTERED AT FUCKING ALL!!!!) and, oh, it was all just a purgatory dream! Well, fuck you, Lost! Fuck you forever! As far as I'm concerned some evil, piece-of-shit, retarded asshole liars got control of Lost in Season Six and what REALLY happened to the characters after the explosion in Season Five has yet to be revealed.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    well I saw it the wrong way round. I knew from the first episode who killed Laura, but that didn't detract from the experience of the show (though with the mystery element I hesitate to think how great it would have been), nor did it make FWWM any less beguiling. I miss that world. You can tell that so many shows (Lost certainly included) have borrowed liberally from it. But you can't just steal it wholesale; you'll end up with abortions like that Happy Town.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    So much happens in that montage

    by Joely_Boy

    where Jeffries is describing where he's been. It's awesome.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Lost and not telling the truth

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    misdirection and keeping schtum is one thing, but when you're just telling fibs to cover your arse, it becomes grubby. Half of the internets would have called 'PURGATORY!' twenty minutes into LAX had Darlton not repeatedly stated that that was not the case. They've been pretty shabby in that regard, on many occasions. It is like Shyamalan stopping The Sixth Sense twenty minutes in cause everyone has called the ending, promising that it isn't what they think it is, before starting the film up again and proving himself wrong.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Aquatarkusman

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah, you're right. He created the show with Frost and worked closely on the first season, but then left to work on Wild At Heart during season two. He'd occasionally pop back up to direct in season two ("May the Giant Be With You" and "Lonely Souls" and "Beyond Life and Death," the finale). If you've ever read the final script (written by Frost, Peyton, and Engels), it's quite a bit different than what Lynch did. Gotta admit in this case, Lynch's stuff was definitely better. Their "Black Lodge" was just an alt version of the Great Northern. Don't think it featured the Red Room or the Dwarf or the doppelgangers at all. Damn, I love me some Lynch. There's some really good stuff with Maclachlan, Lynch, and some of the cast on one of the disks in the Gold Box Edition. (Yes, I've got the VHSes of the first season, VHS of the whole show, and two DVD releases - regular and Gold Box. About once a year, I pull 'em out and do a marathon.)

  • May 27, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    TBS

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>In all fairness, they answered a lot about the Island over the course of the series. Do you really think you know only as much as you knew at the end of season 1? season 2? Etc.? Sure, they far from answered *everything* about it, but as many people have said in many TBs...maybe we don't want to know everything. One word: midichlorians.</p> <p>1) Taking something for which they'd established the rules over five previous seasons (flashbacks and flash forwards) and, suddenly, making the "flashes" in the final season purgatory (which they explicitly said they were NOT going to do).</p> <p>--I am pretty sure they only promised that the Island itself was not limbo/purgatory. I don't think they ever promised that the flash-sideways wasn't.</p> <p>2) Abandoning the Desmond as "The Constant" stuff.</p> <p>Desmond was the constant. Although everyone in the limbo-verse ultimately became aware/remembered their real lives, Desmond seemed to be the only guy in the real world who also became aware of the limbo-verse.</p> <p>3) Abandoning the scientific-philosophic argument of "what happened, happened" vs. the exploding of the nuke in 1974.</p> <p>The bomb did go off. It just didn't destroy the Island. Instead, it hurled the Losties from 1977 back to 2007.</p> <p>I am in no way saying that the show answered everything...there a lot of things I wish they would have elaborated on, but some of the stuff people are taking them to task for either were answered, or probably should not have been answered since the answers would probably prove to be more disappointing than no answers at all (look at how so many people were disappointed with the MIB origin). I for one, was disappointed with the Richard origin.</p> <p>I don't think the conscious choice to leave some things a mystery is necessarily something that goes hand in hand with lazy or inept writing. I think the decision to leave something a mystery--whether we are talking about LOST specifically or storytelling in general--is sometimes the BEST choice.</p>

  • May 27, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Delicious. Can't wait.

    by slone13

    Fuck all you bitches.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    SIDEWAYS VERSE WASN'T NEEDED

    by J-Dizzle

    I think its safe to say that the majority of Lost fans would have just assumed that the characters "moved on" into heaven and had a happy ending without the flash sideways. Instead of spending time on the sideways verse, they could have used that time to develop the "light" mythos and answer the question of just what the hell the island was, because it was quite evident that Jacob didn't have a solid idea either.<p> Yes, I liked the character development. But the flash sideways was overkill. There was nothing wrong with the show's level of character development at all. It was fine where it was at the end of season 5.<p> Also, 2 1/2 hours finale my arse! At least half of that time was spent on bloody commercials.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    J-Dizzle

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I agree with you. While I loved the whole show, and loved the finale, of course it could have been better. I think that you are 100% right: if season 6 had been all Island stuff, and all the flashes had been used to fill out the Island as a character itself--even if they STILL left a ton of shit unanswered--this last season would have been MUCH stronger. That said, I don't think the show needs to be defended. I thought it was great from start to finish. Anything...ANYTHING...could have always been better.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Lost series 6

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    should have started with a 60 something woman getting out of a biplane and being met by a big bearded man who says something about a man called John Locke. Then in true lost stylee, at the end of the episode, the reveal is that they are the DeGroots.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    GJC

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    1) I don't give a flying fuck for what they "promised." (Island not purgatory.) Okay, I do, but in this context I don't. I care for what was established and what the groundwork was laid for. The clearly laid the groundwork for ALTERNATE REALITY (not fuckin' purgatory) with Jack and Faraday in Season Five. They clearly established the reality of the flashes throughout five seasons and they clearly threw that shit out the window. I clearly explained this above so simply saying "they only promised that the Island itself was not limbo/purgatory" neither convinces me or changes my opinion. They're goddamned liars IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHOW!!!<p>2) So fucking what? It made no difference at all to anything. Who gives a rat's hairy ass if Desmond knew about purgatory? Did it change anything? ANYTHING?!?!? Nope. NOT. ONE. FUCKING. THING.<p.3) The bomb did go off, you say? Really? Provide me the proof. That's your assertion, GJC, not based on ANYTHING in Season Six. NOT. ONE. FUCKING. THING. In fact, it was hardly mentioned.<p>Additionally, I think I've been pretty fucking clear on this one. It's not JUST the bomb, but the entire scientific and philosophic discussion/argument that occurred between ALL the characters in Season Five that got abandoned. And you, sir, are a fucking LIAR if you claim for one fucking moment that me, you, the audience, and every-fucking-body else didn't think (and were explicitly led to believe) that the bomb destroyed the island in 1974 and that we were witnessing a parallel side universe (as discussed by both Faraday and Jack and Sawyer and Hurley and Juliet and Kate).<p>The show didn't answer SHIT and, as I've said ad-fucking-nauseum I like me some Lynch. I don't NEED answers all the time, but this show promised answers and gave NONE (or relatively few). The answers that they gave hardly mattered (Dharma, the Others, Richard, Jacob, MIB).<p>Lazy and inept writing is abandoning the philosophic and scientific arguments of five seasons in exchange for a shitty, SyFy-esque ending that utterly betrayed the rising conflicts of science vs. faith and "what happened, happened" vs. "we can change history." That, sir, is lazy, shitty writing.<p>Fucking 24 had a better, more consistent ending than Lost. Imagine for a moment that 24 had ended with a revelation (in the final two hours at that) that Jack was really a fallen angel who'd forgotten his mission to make two people fall in love - Chloe and Freddie Prinze, Jr. - and the end had Jack rushing back to CTU to sprinkle magic fairy dust on Chloe and Freddie. THAT is how jarring I found Season Six.<p>Actually, let me rephrase that. I loved Season Six until the "magical glow cave Highlander purgatory" bullshit. Dude, I was on my fucking feet most of the final episode, cheering and crying at the same time. I got nothing against closure for the characters and I got nothing against the "mystery" of the island, but that PURGATORY shit is bollocks and they lost me forever on that one. I could even put up with the Jacob and MIB shit (although simply establishing them as precursors to Jack-Locke and Hurley-MIB was pretty fucking lame) if they didn't abandon their own logical argument in Season Six.<p>You ever read Aristotle? Thesis-antithesis-synthesis? Well, Lost provided thesis-antithesis-broccoli!

  • May 27, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    2 GREAT QUESTIONS

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    1)Who's fucking cabin was that? Jacobs? And why was it moving around?lost me there. 2) Why can't smokie cross ash?

  • May 27, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    ARGH!!! GJC had a LOOOONG thing here...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And it got cut off. Fuck me! Well, fuck it. Suffice it to say that no amount of insisting by you is gonna convince me that abandoning a seasons' long argument of science vs. faith and "what happened, happened" vs. "we can change history" in favor of a SyFy-esque ending is better. You ever read Aristotle? Thesis-antithesis-synthesis? Well, Lost gave us thesis-antithesis-broccoli.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I don't need ALL mysteries solved

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    But I would like for arguments to be resolved. MUST I see every minute explanation for the island? Nope. But when I've invested six years in a show, building slowly but surely a "science vs. faith"/"what happened, happened" vs. "we can change history" argument, I sure as shit don't want the final act/answer to be...<p>QUICHE! Ha, ha! You weren't expecting quiche, were you? Aren't we clever!<p>No. No, not really.<p>Even 24 had a better, more appropriate ending. If the Lost writers had done it, however, we'd have discovered in the last two episodes that Jack was a fallen angel sent on a mission to ensure that Chloe and Freddie Prinze, Jr. fall in love and that the entire show had been a fever dream when Angel Jack hit his head! Ha, ha! Angel love story! You weren't expecting that, were you? Are we clever!<p>No. No, not really.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Legend of the Seeker

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    Legend of the Seeker finale > Lost finale. It's funny because it's true.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Horace built the cabin

    by Cartagia

    for Michelle Dessler. Then she got blown up by a car bomb on 24.<br><br> This is why I think a lot of people are still having trouble. Are there unanswered questions? Sure. Almost (and note I said almost) exclusively to the nature of the island and smokey (IE the question about ash). But lots of other stuff was answered outright (Horace is SHOWN building the cabin) or can easily be inferred from the full run of the show.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Whoever said you can watch the first episode...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And then the last was one hundred percent right. Apparently, none of the rest of it mattered. Seriously, what was the purpose of the "science vs. faith" stuff? Nothing. Inane filler as it didn't really matter. What was the purpose of the "what happened vs. change history" stuff? Abso-fuckin'-lutely nothing.<p>Kid you fucking not, I have literally lost fucking sleep over this shit. My wife is sick of hearing me bitch about it. I will never, ever, ever again watch another fucking thing that Cuse, Lindelof, or Jar Jar Abrams do. I'm already in Fringe so I'm fucking stuck, but let Cuse or Lindelof come over and watch how fucking fast I drop that show. I am never again getting fooled by these assholes, investing time and interest in a building argument that is resolved with...Highlander!<p>"Lost" just Rickrolled an entire fucking audience and it took six fucking years to do it. Click on the above for the resolution of "Science Vs. Faith"/"What Happened" Vs. "Change History"...<p>Ha, ha! "Never gonna give you up. Never gonna gonna let you down. Never gonna run around, And hurt you!"<p>Ha, ha! You weren't expecting to get rickrolled, were you? Aren't we clever!<p>No. Not fucking really.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    GJC

    by J-Dizzle

    I agree, anything could have always been better. But you can conceivably make that assertion about any story, TV show, or movie.<p> The question isn't, "Can you?" the question is, "Do you <b>*need*</b> to?"<p> Just because the show doesn't need defending, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't need improving. I think the final season did need improving on.<p> Not only do I feel the flash sideways was unnecessary, but I also feel it was rushed. Compared with the flashbacks and flash forwards (which had several seasons worth of development), the flash sideways was squeezed into one season.<p> If I'm expected to believe that the flash sideways is supposed to be a major part of the show, then it should have been developed more over time. Instead, it felt tacked on and more of a gimmick to compliment the flashbacks and flash forwards than a real major part of show.<p> With that being said, I understand Darlton were forced into squeezing the flash sideways into the final season because they had to stick to their 6 season deadline. But since the flash sideways wasn't needed, there was no point in introducing it this late in the game.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I sadly agree the The Bicycle Sharer

    by hatemphd

    I actually stopped watching the show after the "This is the story about Jack's tattoo" episode.(seriously, wtf?) I caught up to season six by watching the show on dvd. And yeah, my problems with the last episode, and the whole season in general, is that it only really resolved elements introduced recently to the show, and ignored story lines from the beginning of the show. <p> Seriously, they have to protect a golden cave (introduced for the first time in episode 120 of 123 total episodes) or something really, really bad happens.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by Cartagia

    While I agree on certain points (having the alt be purgatory flashes with no previous standard is bull), I don't see how you can think they dropped the ball on the two major debates?<br><br> Science vs. Faith? Heaven at the end. Jack simply believing he is doing the right thing? Looks like they picked faith to me. <br><br> What happened vs. Change the past? Nothing in present changed due to what they did in the past. Looks like they made their choice there.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Nice!

    by Wolfman Nards

    Pretty psyched for this. It would be cooler if it was a full episode, but I'll take it.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    "You can watch the first episode and then the last and no miss a

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    That's funny. Now that I think about it, it's also true. You just need to know that the show begins with Jack opening his eyes and beginning the "most important time in his life (and everyone else's lives)." And then watch him realize that fact in purgatory. And then watch him close his eyes. LOST.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    random simpson pic

    by hatemphd

    http://seriesa ndtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/vlc snap-134175.png

  • May 27, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    TBS

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    1) I'm not trying to defend the limbo-verse, just directly responding to your statement that they promised it wouldn't be something like that. I agree that an actual alternate timeline would have probably been more interesting in the end, although I actually think the best course of action would have been what J-Dizzle suggested. And, yes, of course all the Faraday alt-timeline talk was intentional misdirection, and that is certainly tantamount to "lying" to the audience. Not defending that. As I said, the show could certainly have been better.</p> <p>2) Again, not saying they made great use of the "constant" concept with Desmond, just directly responding to your statement that they ignored that altogether. Throughout season 6, up through the finale, he was still special in a way that no other character was (except maybe Eloise Hawking).</p> <p>As for trying to convince you of anything...that's not what I am doing here. If you want to hate the show, be my guest. I don't know you, and I didn't have anything to do with making the show, so why would I care? I do think it's silly for people to pretend the show, overall, wasn't great, just because they feel the ending metaphorically ran over their dog and raped their mother (not saying that's you, but there have been *countless* people in these post-finale TBs that *does* apply to).</p> <p>But as to you, specifically, you are of course entitled to your opinion. The fact that the finale has produced such a strong response in you only proves how great the bulk of the show was to draw you in and cause you to become so emotionally invested. Am I trying to excuse what you consider to be a failure of a finale or final season? No. All I am saying is that a bad ending doesn't invalidate a great show.</p> <p>And I do agree with you that there were big unresolved plot threads from throughout the course of the show. Obviously. And that disappoints me, too. But resolving loose plot ends and learning all the Island's secrets are two different things, as you said. And I am legitimately glad that we did NOT learn all the Island's secrets, because much of what we did learn this season (Richard had only been there a few hundred years, Jacob and MIB were humans born of a human mother) *did* disappoint me. I would have been happier, ultimately, never knowing any of that stuff to be perfectly honest. Because then I could debate it endlessly with my friends who watched the show, and I would always believe that my personal ideas, the coolest to me, might have been right.</p> <p>That was kind of a weird rant...I guess my point is, I think once the dust settles and the smoke clears, even though you will always be disappointed in the final season, you will re-embrace your love for the show. I was really salty over the SW prequel trilogy for a while...didn't even want to think about SW. But now, although I don't ever like to think about the prequels, I realize they have in no way diminished what the classic trilogy means to me, and the ways it has influenced my life.</p>

  • May 27, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    GJC

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    "I was really salty over the SW prequel trilogy for a while...didn't even want to think about SW. But now, although I don't ever like to think about the prequels, I realize they have in no way diminished what the classic trilogy means to me, and the ways it has influenced my life." <-- This is true. I really loved the first 3 seasons of Lost and probably always will. The problem with Season 6 is that it also cheapened Seasons 4 & 5. Those two seasons in particular were all about building momentum and beginning to lay foundation to answer all the questions. Let's just say... that didn't work out. Thanks Season 6. 4 & 5 are unwatchable now.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    If you're losing sleep

    by Mr Lucas

    over something as trivial and inconsequential as a TV show, then you just might have some serious priority issues. Maybe you are very lucky to have a life so free of worry that you need to look to a TV finale for something to fret over. Just sayin'

  • May 27, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Err... cut my message off.

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    The above quote is true. I really loved the first 3 seasons and probably always will. The problem with season 6 is that it cheapened all of 4 & 5. They've become retroactively unwatchable due to season 6. Those two seasons in particular were about laying the foundation to answer all the questions. Let's just say... that didn't really work out.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    TBS

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I have to get some work done. I'll chat with you later if you're still around.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    OUTLAW

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Quick response before I have to bolt: I definitely understand where you are coming from, and although i don't feel the same way, it's a shame you think 4 & 5 were invalidated in the overall big picture of the show. That said, as stand-alone pieces of storytelling, seasons 4 & 5 were each spectacular. And each one saved the show in their own way...when the flashbacks were getting stale and we were getting Niki and Paulo episodes, season 4 came along and everything was fresh again with the flash-forwards. Hell, that was such a cool device that they created a whole other series based around that device alone. And then, the time travel shit gave the show another shot in the arm and kept people amped up for more...

  • May 27, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Cartagia, you're right on the side they picked

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Which, by the way, I disagree with - think I mentioned in another TB that I can always get behind the dual explanation ("It was science!" "No, no, it was magic!"), but they didn't even attempt that. So, they clearly came down on the side of magic/faith, right? But they also misled the audience with the discussion of alt universes and changing the past, etc., then showed alt-LA, leaving the audience to believe that this was the universe established by the blowing up of the bomb. Then they changed their flash-sideways to purgatory. They laid NO groundwork for this at all. Additionally, Jack's "conversion" from science to faith was really poorly done. See, I guess that's my problem. They established this conflict, but then never REALLY had the characters deal with the implications or show much of an arc or a conversion in any of them. "Oh, the island didn't explode and here we are again? Well, I'll just be a man of faith now then and, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley, you just continue on like always. What? You say the audience is being show another world that exists? Well, it certainly can't be a sideways world created by changing history. It must be magical purgatory."<p>Lost, suck my ass!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Later, GeneralJack

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I'll be in and out myself. As I said (and you noted), my vitriol is because I loved the show until the end. And, like I said, in my purgatory, the show ended in 1974 with an atomic explosion and one day I'll learn how Desmond the Constant (set there by Jacob for WHAT?) used his "specialness" to bridge the two worlds and save the island, bringing a new, better-adjusted set of the same Losties to the island where THIS TIME they might succeed in defeating MIB.<p>Like I've said before, I was on my feet cheering and crying for most of the finale AND for most of the sideways throughout the season, until I found out that none of it was real and that they were all dead. Seriously, dude, for real, did I love Lost? Last year, I cut all my hair off - a super short "Jack" cut. But since then, I haven't had a hair cut. When my wife asks why not, I tell her that I'm growing a Desmond cut. Seriously. Dude, I scream "yes, yes" at the screen when Desmond hooks up with Penny in alt-LA, but now my hate for Cuse and Lindelof knows no bounds now. (And fuck, dude, I loved Cuse - he was on Brisco County, Jr.!) I will never, ever, ever watch another show they have a hand in.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Anybody have to keep explaining that they weren't dead since ep

    by Tall_Boy66

    Friends, co-workers, my sister, their initial reaction is that "Ah! They were dead since the first episode!", but usually when the shot of Jack dying at the end at least my sister got it, but a co-worker of mine didn't get it until I explained to him that the alternate reality was purgatory. Anybody else get into this discussion over the last few days?

  • May 27, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I made up that the island gave them flash-sideways powers

    by Tall_Boy66

    Meh, works for me. It's not as if everyone when they die go to the flash-sideways purgatory universe, I just kinda guessed that only the Losties and anyone else who was on the island went to the flash-sideways universe purgatory because that was their final gift from Jacob/the island, to be with each other in the great beyond. Basically, it provides a happy ending for these characters that they can't get on the island because they've all been subsequently brutally killed over the past few seasons, so it's group-hug in heaven at the end.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by quicksilver80

    Some people should get a grip...

  • May 27, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Right you are, Mr. Lucas

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Lucky, indeed. I've got a great life and a great wife and I live in (imho) the greatest country on earth. However, I spent six long years immersing myself in a show that I feel fucked me up the ass with a chainsaw. I'm not gonna fucking go kill myself or shoot up a mall or anything, but I'm super fucking pissed at getting jerked around like that.<p>Shit, actually, just think about all the people invested in the "science vs. faith" thing - Jack vs. Locke. Everyone who came down on the Jack-side got fucked in the ass 'cause Jack was wrong - science don't matter shit in purgatory - and still Jack dies. Everyone who down on the Locke-side REALLY got fucked in the ass - their guy was killed and then possessed by the bad guy only to be killed again - coming down on the side of "faith" (which was the "right" answer) apparently buys you a hanging and a knifing on the island.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    TBS

    by theGoldbergV

    I'm with you buddy. I'm pretending LOST got cancelled at s5 when the bomb went off. The end.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Tall Boy66

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    A "happy ending" could also have been acquired by having the sideways Losties bridge the gap between two worlds with Desmond the Constant (constant in both/all worlds NOT able to see fucking purgatory - whoop-dee-fuckin'-doo) opening the gateway with the power of the magical glowcave/electromagnetic source. You create a circular ending that brings us back to the island again with the same set of characters who are at the same time different because of their experiences in the alt-universe.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I loved the show

    by optimus122

    But if the net is any indication there are a lot of people who think they did a terrible job with the ending. And not just here, on every forum I visit it is easily 2 to 1 against the finale being a satisfactory ending to the series. I liked the 6th season's island parts, the sideways universe with the exception of Ben and Lockes parts were a total bore.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but then that's just the "show is a loop" ending

    by Tall_Boy66

    Which has been also guessed since Season 1. I don't think that having the damn plane crash AGAIN on the island would have been all that satisfying. It would have been more fatalist and mostly a downer. Group hug in heave it is!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by Dancingforever

    I certainly have. There are many who haven't realized that the entire journey was in Jack's mind's eye. Brilliant. I hated the final at first, but when I realized it was a giant morality play and character arc that was all internal I was blown away. This was without a doubt the best show ever on TV, including anything HBO has ever done. This is also the only time I think the architects of a series new from start to finish exactly what needed to happen without making it up as they went along. Probably the best form of televised entertainment we will see for the next 50 years.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Like would Gary Troup just keep dying in a loop ending?

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Sorry Garry! Our characters have foreknowledge of the future but your fat ass gets sucked into the jet engine over and over and over for all eternity! Bwahahahahah!!" Not exactly the most optimistic note to go out on.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    some spent 6yrs on this show?

    by Bouncy X

    wow, i only spent between 16 and 22 hours a year on it. no wonder you feel jipped.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I prefer the "limbo" thing

    by quicksilver80

    instead of the "alt universe". I don't know why alternate thing didn't click for me, but hey, that's me. The polarized opinions of this show are proof that the show challenged us to think, discuss, theorize and defend opinions. I respect those who didn't like the ending and congratulate for sticking to the end. I for one loved the ending and the rest of the show and I'm gonna miss it.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and the end

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    They never made it personal. Part of the problem with leaving the island mysterious/abstract means that when people sacrifice themselves they're doing it for a mysterious, unexplained thing that actually shits on its greatest defenders (Locke). I can see Jack abandoning science and accepting faith, but I can only see him dying to specifically save the Losties (Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc.), not some unexplained, abstract shit that he only started believing in about two weeks ago.<p>Oh, fuck! And further bullshit! Just realized another plot hole!<p>So FLocke can either only leave the island with all the Candidates or when they're all dead, right? I mean, it's one of those two explanations, right? (Unless, of course, the answer is "banana pancakes," which I wouldn't put past these assholes.) So, if that's the case, all the Candidates weren't dead and Jack was now the protector. But he ran out and chased down FLocke after Desmond opened the cork (his character became a real "cork sucker"). But, if Jack had just gone back into the cave and plugged up the hole, he'd never have been killed, FLocke would never have been killed, and the Losties would STILL have escaped ('cause they were at the plane). That shitty ending was dependent upon Jack chasing and fighting FLocke and dying, but NONE of that had to happen if Jack had just reinserted the cork. So... WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE JUST DO THAT TO START WITH?!?!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I'l just have to find another show...

    by quicksilver80

    Maybe Fringe? what do you think? I haven't seen it yet.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Because then he couldn't kill Smokey

    by Tall_Boy66

    Smokey had to die because he was going to kill everybody else. So uncork the source, Smokey can die. Leave cork in, Smokey can't die and kills the fuck out of everybody through more chicanery.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Okay, so Tall Boy

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Desmond yanks out the cork. (For a reason NOBODY has explained.) Jack and Flock fight at the entrance and FLocke makes tracks ('cause this somehow now means that he can escape - again, never explained.) Jack, instead of chasing him down to the cliff and killing him ('cause they're both mortal now) just slides down the rope, pushes Desmond aside (the "Constant" who now is a doubter?!?!?? Nice vision of heaven there, Des!), and reinserts the cork. The plane takes off with the Losties and Jack and Flocke watch it fly away, neither able to kill each other on an island that AIN'T destroying itself.<p>And, by the way, WHO in the first season said it would be a loop ending? Nobody even knew the timeline in the first season let alone time travel. I'd be glad to read any link that dates from late 2004 to early 2005 that says "loop ending."

  • May 27, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    still love lost

    by janarrah

    while i'm still thinking over which piece of the puzzle fit where, there was not a show out there that consistently hit the emotional impact of it's storylines week after week. you can fight over the story itself but not about how it cranked on the characters and the viewers. surprised i didn't see anything here about abc adding the footage during the credits and unless i'm mistaken, i didn't see jack's mom anywhere in the church. hmmm.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    So uhmm

    by daveyf

    Jack dies to save the world.. if that isn't the way to go.. I don't know. Sure they wasted a lot of time on the purgatory thing over the season but had it been a new timeline the coincidence would have been just FUCKING stupid. Having EVERYONE (including Widmore, Daniel, Charlotte, Hawking, Chang and Desmond) converge in LA was too much. And to have a second go at it with caracters that died would only cheapen their death. So their only way out was to go with Whatever Happens, Happened (the nuke caused the Incident). Jack gets to have the coolest death on the show. Sure the whole letting-go ending seemed to suit Jack more then the other caracters and it was overly romantic but the Island story was awesome. Just cause it's not the ending YOU wanted doesn't mean it's not a good ending. And what's with the obsession with answers? Getting them takes the fun out of wondering.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Jack chased after MiB

    by quicksilver80

    Because he wanted to kill him

  • May 27, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    But Smokey would still kill everyone else

    by Tall_Boy66

    Because he's Smokey and that's what he does. Or he Smoke monsters the fuck out of the plane so they can't escape and Kate, Sawyer, and Hugo are still stuck there. Besides, for a dramatically satisfying ending for the main antagonist of the series had to have smokey bite it in the end. The loop ending has been mentioned since way back in the start, yes, at Season 1. The reason for that is that it's extremely simple. Because everyone was saying "Oh, it'll end with Jack waking up in the jungle like the first episode" and later on with the release of Via Domus (at the start of Season 4) the game, which Lindeolf came up specifically the ending for, is a loop ending - it ends at the plane crash again for the main character. A loop ending is a dramatic dead end for Lost that everyone could see coming and it's a fatalistic bummer. "You're all fucked, it's going to happen again." Lovely ending.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Smokey can't kill the Candidates

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Are you fucking kidding? You're defending the show, but apparently don't know that. If Smokey could "kill the candidates," he'd have done so. Only people left (besides Miles and Ben and Rose and what's his name) were candidates. Oh, wait, Sawyer said, "We ain't candidates anymore." Yet, somehow, FLocke didn't kill them. Weird, huh? I mean, they were all together at one point and Jack went off with FLocke and Desmond and everybody else headed for the plane, but you say FLocke was "going to kill everybody else." That's so strange. They were all together (and Sawyer alone) and he "was going to kill everybody else," but somehow, someway, for some reason, he didn't. So, you're not just pulling that outta your ass now, are you? 'Cause the evidence says that he wasn't and, with the exception of Rose and Bernard (who he said he would then he wouldn't), he had ample opportunity. In fact, he could've killed them all BEFORE Desmond popped the cork. He could've killed 'em AFTER Desmond popped the cork. Instead, he just ran to a fucking boat. Strange. For a guy who "was going to kill everybody else" he sure as shit missed some prime opportunities.<p>And are we SURE that MIB is dead? I mean, FLocke was stabbed and, presumably, he's dead, but there's always...<p>Apple Cherry Kool Aid! Ha, ha! You weren't expecting that brilliant switch, were you!<p>No, but seriously, why does Hurley have to "protect" the magical glow cave if MIB is no more. Only the protector can find the cave. How can anyone fuck with it now? What's Hurley protecting it from?<p>See, it was MY guess that FLocke's body was destroyed but that Smokey/MIB/visions of the dead lives on.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Why would Jack want to kill MIB?

    by daveyf

    Uhmm let's see: Pilot, Eko, pretending to be Locke, Jacob, Dogen, Jin, Sun, Sayid and most of all Zoe!!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Show of hands, would have anybody liked a loop ending?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Anybody? Really? You just want our characters to be stuck in a cycle of crashing on the island again and again and again? Show of hands. Don't be shy.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Daveyf

    by quicksilver80

    That's why I liked the limbo thing better, but couldn't articulate it as good as you did =D

  • May 27, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Smokey killed Sayid, Jin and Sun just fine

    by Tall_Boy66

    As I said "through more chicanery". It means trickery. He doesn't DIRECTLY kill the candidates, but he does kill them anyway through convoluted bomb-defusing means. Smokey would have killed them through various back-handed, double dealing ways just fine, because that's what he does. And then he just Smoke monster murders the fuck out of everyone else.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Desmond yanks the cork

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    To make Jack and FLocke mortal? And Jacob knew this but Jack ("you're like me now") did NOT know this and neither did FLocke and neither did Desmond? Why it all makes perfect sense to me now! How could I have ever been so wrong about...<p>Singing Cat Raincoat!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by daveyf

    They weren't candidates anymore since Jack was Jacob the II.

  • May 27, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    *in the voice of Ogre*

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    Neeeerrrrddddsssss!!!

  • May 27, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Seriously, the bike guy, you DIDN'T want a Jack/Smokey showdown?

    by Tall_Boy66

    That is not a good drama? To have the antagonist and protagonist wail on each other? That's a bad idea? Smokey has to die because he's a bad guy. This is not rocket science. You have the good guy and the bad guy fight. In a rainstorm. With Jack yelling "LOOOCCCKKKKKEEEEE!!!" because it's awesome. Duh!

  • May 27, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    THEY'RE AT THE FUCKING PLANE, TALL BOY!!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Is Smokey gonna use his magic powers to get 'em back like he did we they took off in the helicopter. I mean, when they left in the boat. I mean, uh, well, fuck I guess SMOKEY CAN'T FUCKING KILL PEOPLE ("with more chicanery") WHEN THEY'RE FLYING THE FUCK AWAY!<p>See, "chicanery" is all well-and-good when nobody knows what's up with Locke or that he's planting bombs or that he's manipulating you but it doesn't work for shit when YOU'RE IN A FUCKING PLANE FLYING THE FUCK AWAY. Do you not remember that? At all? The good guys had a PLANE that they were flying away. What kinda fucking bad guy are you that a knife on the beach stops you, but you can use your magical chicanery powers on people flying away on a plane but NOT people flying away on a helicopter?

  • May 27, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Tallboy

    by quicksilver80

    Dont' you forget about Super Powered Flying Punch, that was awesome

  • May 27, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    the entire 6th season and ending do make sense...if

    by brabon300

    the overall point of the series was reason vs belief<p>belief wins out<p>there is an afterlife....there is purpose to life more than what occurs here on this world<p>the answers to the mysteries of this world dont really matter in the overall scheme of things

  • May 27, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Tall Boy

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Conflict and "wailing on each other" is great if it MAKES SENSE. That didn't. Sorry, dude, but stories have to make sense (and NOT lie to the audience). Jack and Locke fighting is GREAT if five minutes later Jack isn't re-corkifying the island. Conflict and resolution should fucking be organic and logical NOT "well, we needed them to fight for a good conclusion." I mean, THIS is not rocket science. Have Jack undo the cork. Have Desmond redo the cork. Or have Desmond both do and re-do the cork ('cause he "knows").<p>DaveyF, I know that and, if you read what I wrote, I SAID that. So, if they weren't Candidates anymore and FLocke could kill them and was going to, according to Tall Boy, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE KILL THEM?!?!? Starting with fucking Sawyer who said, "We ain't Candidates anymore," then continuing on to the rest of 'em? Hmmm? Why not? I mean, Tall Boy contends that he was going to do that, but so very oddly he passed up opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to do so.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Or, hey, here's another one

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Sawyer says, "We ain't Candidates anymore."<p>And Flocke says, "Well, shablammety, Isa gwonna kills de fuck outta you!"<P>And Jack says, "Hey, guys, gather around; I wanna talk to y'all about something for a second."<p>So, everybody huddles around Jack and he reaches out his hand in a Three Stooges smack and hits 'em all in the head, touching them all and making them all New Candidates!<p>Now, Flocke can't kill 'em directly and they won't fall for his "magical chicanery powers" for the entire time that it takes them to march to the plane and fly the fuck away!

  • May 27, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Why would flocke kill them?

    by quicksilver80

    His prime directive was to leave the island, and FAST.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Once there was a new protector

    by quicksilver80

    Flocke goes to plan B, which is Desmond

  • May 27, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Tall Boy, I just gave you another ending that didn't include a l

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    By the way, a loop with different "changed" characters from a side timeline. Dude, you prefer being lied to about purgatory and scientific explanations?<p>Lindelof in the NYT - http://tiny.cc/bx9dc<p>One way they exercise that control is by hewing to the science-fact -- as opposed to science-fiction -- model they see in the novels of Michael Crichton. 'There can be things that are happening that are quote, phenomenal, but there's always a scientific answer to it,' said Mr. Lindelof. So when Jack Shephard, the surgeon and supposed voice of reason played by Matthew Fox, has visions of his dead father, care is taken to let the audience know he has gone without sleep for three days. Of course, the ghost does lead him to desperately needed water, so maybe he's not a hallucination after all."<p>I repeat, "There can be things that are happening that are quote, phenomenal, but there's always a scientific answer to it," said Mr. Lindelof.<p>Right. My bad. I totally forgot Hawking's Seventh Theory of Purgatorio. My bad. Rick rolled!

  • May 27, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Mountain out of a molehill, dude

    by Tall_Boy66

    The Man in Black, as portrayed by Terry O'Quinn in the form of John Locke, is the main antagonist of the series. Jack Shepard, as portrayed by Matthew Fox, is the protagonist of the series. In the final episode, you have the antagonist and the protagonist face off. Therefore, since the antagonist is a superpowered monster, the plot allows him to be de-powered by uncorking the source (which, since it's called "the source", and since the island falls apart when it's unplugged, and since Locke is not bleeding, it's the source of his power). You're really obsessing over this passing comment "BUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO KILL THEM BUT DIDN'T AND RANT O A BOATTTTTT!!! IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" Blah blah blah bullshit. I restate: This is not rocket science. This is not complicated. For the final episode of the series, you have the bad guy and the good guy face off. On a cliff. With a super flying punch. Because it's entertaining. That's it.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Why would FLocke kill them?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Ask Tall Boy. It's his contention (and I quote) "Smokey would still kill everyone else... because he's Smokey and that's what he does." So, YOU may think, quicksilver, that FLocke's "prime directive" was to get off the island, but Tall Boy believes that it's "too kill everybody."

  • May 27, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    For the same reason he planted the bomb in Jack's backpack. He couldn't leave until they were dead, but he couldn't kill them directly. Why am I still talking about minor plot points? None of it mattered.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    and

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    (I'm assuming Jack re-candidated them all, like TBS said.)

  • May 27, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    'Cause you're NOT a rocket scientist

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    You're easily fucking amused, Tall Boy. Shiny things attract your attention, too, genius? I'm not. I don't like a final fight to be "uh, duh-dee-duh, well, uh, it's uh de ending and we gots to hab us a fight!" Talk about fucking moronic.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Look, bike riding guy, who CARES about Smokey's motivations?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Seriously, he's the bad guy. The good guy and the bad guy fight. That's what happens. Bad guy was going to leave. Bad guy leaving island is bad idea. Good guy stops him from leaving island by beating the bejesus out of him. Seriously, that's all there is to it.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    See, now you're just being mean and petty

    by Tall_Boy66

    Way to engage in a conversation there, genius. "YOU're MORNoNICCC AND SHINY THINGS YOU LIKE!!!!" Wow. Great argument there, skippy. I'm outta here. Douchebag.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    That didn't come out right...

    by quicksilver80

    I know Flocke needed the candidates dead to leave the island. Once they weren't candidates anymore he hadn't any reason to kill them...I was answering to another post, my bad

  • May 27, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Read Doc Jensen's...

    by quicksilver80

    Lost finale recap at EW. He's got some very interesting ideas about the ending.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    "I call you stupid therefore I win argument! RAR!"

    by Tall_Boy66

    This is every single one of The Bicycle Sharer's posts all whittled down to a single thought. He's insecure and feels a need to point out a supposed intellectual superiority again and again and again. FYI, the second you start personally attacking a person as opposed to their viewpoint, you automatically lose the argument because you're run out of logic and boil it down to "You're stupid and you have funny hair!" Great poster, there.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Tall Boy, YOU said "kill them" NOT me

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    See, talk about somebody that AIN'T a rocket scientist! It was YOU who said that Smokey would "kill everybody 'cause that's what he does" when I suggested that Jack simply re-cork the island to prevent Flocke's leaving, thereby saving the island, stopping Flock from leaving, and saving his own life. Kate, Sawyer, et al., could still have flown away in the plane leaving Jack and Flocke on the island, both still alive, continuing the "eternal struggle."<p>I have NOTHING against great climactic fights (fuck, dude, I cheered during Flying Punch and for most of the episode), but chasing a dude to the edge of the island when all you've gotta do to stop him from leaving (and save the island) is drop back down in the hole and do what you end up doing AFTER getting killed is ridiculous. From Jack's perspective, he must've known/figured out something changed in that hole to make himself and Locke mortal - why risk chasing a dude who MIGHT get away when all you've gotta do is lock the door again?

  • May 27, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Duh, I like de fights! Dey are at de end!!!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Of de gud shows! When de peeples hits each udder I rilly likes it. It is gud and fun. De fights comes at de ends!<p>WHO THE FUCK, YOU RETARDED ASS CLOWN, KEPT SAYING "THIS AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE" AND "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST?" Huh, you fucking ass clown? Who was that? Was it the same moron who claimed that a fight was ipso facto good because it occurred at the end? Yeah, it was that same imbecile.<p>Who care about motivations and plots making sense? Me, that's who. Not you, apparently. So, let's just agree that I like logic and things to make sense and you like the hairy men wrestling each other on a beach as long as it (someone?) comes at the end.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    This TB oficially went down the drain...

    by quicksilver80

    One last thought though...I think Jack went after Flocke to kill him because maybe he thought he could save the island by doing so. When Flocke was dead and the island kept going down, then his last shot was to try to reignite the light

  • May 27, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Why is this site reviewing Sex in the City?

    by RPLocke

    Are you guys that desperate for hits?

  • May 27, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    All right, gotta run

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Sorry 'bout the vitriol. MTV's got one of the few polls I've seen on the Lost finale and it looks like things are about evenly split between those dissatisfied with the ending altogether, those who thought it was perfect, and those who liked it but wanted more answers.<p>Again, I'm cool with leaving the mystery of the island unexplained, but I am NOT happy with purgatory and kinda dissatisfied with the climax in general. Loved the show, adored seasons one through five, and even liked six until that the sideways lie.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Quicksilver, nice theory

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    But it's just that - a theory that you made up. It's not supported in the text anywhere. Again, it may be true and could be right, but I kinda like to have things like that explained with a throwaway line - "I thought if I killed him..." (Oh and the why Desmond popped the cork and was surprised shit, too.)

  • May 27, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The George Lucas'ing of Lost Begins

    by JeanGrey_X23_lesboSex

    wtf

  • May 27, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Not George Lucasing . . . Not Yet At Least

    by Dave I

    They're adding extra footage to the box set, maybe to the season 6 DVD/BluRay. You can't claim George Lucasing until they have reshoot scenes, change scenes, offer different packages (with different content for each one), and package it up in a new edition for sale each time to really capitalize and milk it. I'd imagine, we'll have the box set, and maybe years later some different edition (remastered or something), but not multiple variations (ala. the different editions of the original Star Wars trilogy).<p><p>-Cheers

  • May 27, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    TBS - You said

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    "But, if Jack had just gone back into the cave and plugged up the hole, he'd never have been killed, FLocke would never have been killed, and the Losties would STILL have escaped ('cause they were at the plane)."<p>Just making a minor correction. Only Lapidus, Richard and Miles were at the plane already. Kate and Sawyer had to take the boat that MIB was going to use. If Jack had not of stopped him, they would have been stuck. Not saying it had to happen that way, just that it did. Carry on, your arguments are fun to read.<p>Oh, and did anybody else notice the slightly Superman 2-ish way of defeating Flocke?

  • May 27, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as The Riddler?

    by jimbubble

    In the next Batman would be pitch perfect...just fucking do it Mr Nolan!

  • May 27, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    *not have

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    That's a terrible grammar habit I need to break.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    can we start a facebook page

    by BigTexas42

    to get Mr. Emerson on SNL? I bet that guy can do comedy like no other.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Those money hungry sons of bitches. . .

    by STAR_SCRM

    can go to hell. I feel sorry for everyone who wasted the time they did on this pile of crap. I saw the first season and checked out after watching the first episode of the second season. That was enough bile for me, thanks, Lost creators. Go eat shit. Eat lots of shit!

  • May 27, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    DOC JENSEN=UTTERLY ridiculous

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    I started reading his article, and gave yp 4 paragrpahs in. I can't believe he earns a living writing.That dude has had the absolute wackiest LOST theories ever-and was never(not once) right on any guess (because they were so outlandish, you'd have to read to believe)

  • May 27, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    by the way-GREAT LINK on the new york times article from 2006.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Here's my favorite excerpt "'It's unsatisfying on every level to me as a storyteller, and to most people who saw it,'' Mr. Lindelof said. ''The fact there is someone there to definitively tell me that I was wrong, that my imagination was wrong, is uncool.'' But the creators do know how the series ends. The survivors will not learn they are part of some dastardly experiment, or discover they are in purgatory, or wake up from a bad dream. ''These guys get off the island,'' said Mr. Cuse.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Hey let's all agree to not buy the DVD box set

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    At least until the price goes down. And I think Tall Boy and Bicycle Sharer are the same person.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    As of Monday EW became another website

    by RPLocke

    Ew rode Lost's coattails.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    A mystery that's never even been addressed, let alone solved

    by severianx1

    How is it that Locke on the island is an expert hunter, tracker, knife thrower, and all around survivalist, when in every single flashback he is depicted as the type of person who would know absolutely nothing about any of that stuff?

  • May 27, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    severianx1

    by RPLocke

    And if Locke was a good person off the island, why is he a super bitch ON the island?

  • May 27, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Woohoo! Another LOST talkback!

    by D.Vader

    Oh joy of joys. Which will I devote my time to now!

  • May 27, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer, I showed you why you were wrong last time

    by D.Vader

    Lindleof again, was NOT saying everything on the show will have a scientific answer. He was not saying everything can be explained by science, like you want it to. IF that was the case, then in that article in which the quote comes from, the author would have followed that quote up with the conclusion that Jack is not seeing his dead father, he is hallucinating. But the author left it open because he knows, as Lindleof said, that at that point in the series, pretty much everything had a dual explanation. <p> If you're really going to worship that quote as some sort of Holy Text that can't be broken ever with the series and take issue with the writers when they decide to come down on side of the faith vs science argument, that's your fault not theirs.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    And yes, its obvious Smokey WOULD kill off the Island

    by D.Vader

    When he pretty much killed almost every non-Candidate he came in contact with on the Island. He has no morals anymore, no qualms. You can't let something that dangerous get off the Island where nothing can stop it.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Why didn't SMokey kill the island long ago?

    by RPLocke

    How did Michael get off the island when Smokey couldn't?

  • May 27, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    why would Smokie kill DVader?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...nothing in his origin story stated he wanted to kill people off the island...

  • May 27, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    The "Faith" side actually saved the Island

    by D.Vader

    I dunno what nonsense Bike Sharer is spewing by trying to suggest the Faith side got fucked bc Locke died and had his form taken over by the Smoke Monster. <p> Uhhh, here's what really happened. The "Faith" side converted Jack, who then became the Island protector and Hero, and then Jack, now on the side of faith, defeated the Big Bad of the Island and helped save the world by putting the cork back in. <p> Looks to me more like Locke's death worked in faith's favor and he became a martyr. Certainly didn't fuck the faith side at all.

  • May 27, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Does it need to, StepDaddy?

    by D.Vader

    He's been killing people for thousands of years and has obviously lost whatever morals he had as a human. Would it really be worth the risk to hope this guy, upon finally seeing what a fucked up place the rest of the world is, wouldn't decide to wipe out humanity? We know what his opinion of man is already. I don't think we need him to say something like "I'll kill everyone in the world" to know he can do it.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    By the way, I never thought Desmond was the Constant

    by D.Vader

    Pretty sure that was Penny.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Bike Sharer, I'm really surprised at how much...

    by D.Vader

    You missed and misinterpreted.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    The Jack/Flocke fight in the rain...

    by D.Vader

    Reminded me of something from Kurosawa. Like the night-time showdown in the windswept grassy valley at the end of Sanshiro Sugata.<p> In other words, pure awesome.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Whoever OOOUUUUUTTTLLLAAAAAAWWWW is....

    by D.Vader

    I really hope he has memorized how many o's and u's and t's and etc he used in his screenname. <p> Because logging in at other computers has got to be. A. BITCH.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    By the way, Bike Sharer, try to be less condescending

    by D.Vader

    It is possible, afterall. I hope.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    What happened to that big Donut thing

    by RPLocke

    Widemore had? Did it get destroyed? D

  • May 27, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    What's the deal with the drug runner plane?

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    How come they never explained it?

  • May 27, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    severianx

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    he used to go hunting with his father...and the line in Walkabout Locke says "I've been preparing for this trip for years" he also claims to know more about the walkabout then the guy leading it

  • May 27, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov was not framed!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    He most definitely murdered people.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    CRISPIN

    by RPLocke

    The drug runner plane was Eko's friends' plane. Echo was bad man. Yemi was forced to go on the drug runner plane and it crashed on the island. Many years later, Echo found the plane on the island.

  • May 27, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I know all that, RPLocke

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    But why is it yellow?

  • May 27, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Cops set him up

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    gotta read between the lines

  • May 27, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Tis a joke, guuuuys.

    by D.Vader

  • May 27, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Cause it was a DHARMA PLANE!!!

    by RPLocke

    AGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • May 27, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    DOES YOUR HEAD HURT RPLOCKE?

    by J-Dizzle

  • May 27, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    After reading this thread I need Tylenol.

    by RPLocke

  • May 27, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Where's smokebudmonster when you need him?

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    To treat everyone's headaches...

  • May 27, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Dharma food drop

    by punto

    it's like when they killed the doctor from the freighter, and he washed up on the shore of the island hours before he got killed. Maybe the food drop was done back in the 80s, but it arrived there 20 years later. <p> I still want to know what happened with the nuclear bomb, did that change the future? we all assumed that the flash sideways were caused by it, but in the end they had nothing to do with it (even tho Juliet said "it worked")

  • May 27, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    wrong lost talkback

    by punto

    whatever

  • May 27, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the Box Set!

    by Thanos0145

    I didn't buy any of the previous seasons of LOST and was very satisfied with the Finale and the Series as a whole.

  • May 27, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    ATTN: Tall_boy66 and bicycle pants wearer, re: Jack killing Floc

    by BillboeFett

    the reason why Jack set out to kill Samuel/Flocke/MIB is: <p> <P> </BR> 1. the girl he loves was just crying over the murder of their friends and said "we have to kill Locke" to which Jack said "I know" <p> <P> </BR> 2. Jack told Flocke he was going to kill him, and it was a surprise <p> <P> </BR> 3. Jack is now the caretaker of the island and its his responsibility to see to the "Locke problem" <p> <P> </BR> 4. Jack goes to find him and sees him standing on the edge of a cliff ready to get on a boat, time to act fast! <p> <P> </BR> 5. Jack knows if the MIB gets off the island and gets into the real world, shit will go down, and Jack would be responsible, and he would've let the island down, the world down, and all his friends that died as a result of Flocke's evil <p> <P> </BR> wasn't too hard, was it? <p> <P> </BR> None of that was some philosophical stretch, or inferance, or deduction, its all in the show

  • May 28, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on Lost from a non fanboy

    by MandrakeRoot

    Alright - so recently Netflix put up all the Lost seasons to watch instantly. One day I was bored and began watching it. The first season, as we all know, was quality -so I continued watching it. I enjoyed season 2 as well, although some of the hatch stuff got a little silly - thankfully Michael Emerson came and saved the day. Season 3 was more hit or miss, and honestly season 4 started to lose me with the whole freighter business. But the last few episodes of the seasons were quality, so I continued yet again. Season 5 and 6 IMO were much better than 3 and 4. I loved the timeshifting business and Sawyer and co. living in the 70s. Another great finale and then an equally captivating 6th season. Now I didn't spend 6 years with these characters like many did, so I'm not really as pissed as I likely would be. <p> As for the finale - yes it was a major cop-out. This show was built on the island and it's mythology. Some characters were great and had great arcs - Sawyer, Locke, Desmond, Ben (altough he went from mad genius to passive follower too quickly), etc. Some characters were just plain grating though - Jack and Kate specifically. There romance never felt believable either, like one day Kate woke up and decided to be the island whore. A lot of the questions should have been cleared up in the Losties talk with Jacob, that scene was a HUGE miss. And I think they absolutely should have left questions, but side-stepping almost EVERY big question was just baffling. Still though, I can't comprehend why so many people are happy and taking a "i told you so!" stance just because others enjoyed the show but didn't get a big reveal. For network TV Lost was pretty high quality. It had some great acting, action, suspense, mystery, cliffhangers, etc. Sure it sucks knowing that everything didn't tie together, but that doesn't negate the many great episodes this show delivered. My two big issues with the show are 1.) the way they built up "the others'" to be these dangerous, evil people, who were near-superhuman (didn't leave trails, always watching, etc), and then we find out there just normal people, who in reality are working for Jacob the supposed good guy. They seemed to do this a lot - completely shifting the story in a different direction which negated previous revelations. And for #2, it felt like much of what went on in season 6 could have happened in season 2 with out all of the in between. I give them a pass on that though, because the characters would not have been properly developed. <p> At the end of the day I think we can all kind of deduce that the island was an important place in the balance of life that needs to be protected. The Losties were there to take over the job from Jacob. While all of the odds and ends weren't tied up, it was overall a pretty decent show - not necessarily "brilliant" and not something I would even put in my top 10, but the way people are acting here is like it's Melrose Place or someshit. C'mon now.

  • May 28, 2010, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Juliet saying 'it worked'

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    was a bleed-over into the purgatory timeline. She was referring to Sawyer pulling the plug on the candy machine.

  • May 28, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Lost - All the Mysteries Will Be Revealed?

    by Madmarek

    Can we sue over that statement?<p> :P

  • May 28, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    No thanks

    by SithMenace

    The finale killed this show for me. If they had wrapped it up correctly, I'm sure there would be major money exchanging in the aftermath, but they exposed themselves as directionless frauds.

  • May 28, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    If anyone thinks no one will buy the box set...

    by D.Vader

    You are deluding yourselves.

  • May 28, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    QUEUE UP FOR MORE MISDIRECTION, SUCKERS!

    by LaserPants

    SUCKERS AND DUPES! The province of the LOST fan is filled with Shaggy Dogs, soap opera outtakes, and EPIC FAILURES.

  • May 28, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Here's a special preview of the Lost docu

    by SunTzu77

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

  • May 28, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Mysteries be revealed=Questions will be asked

    by Katet19

    It doesn't say "questions will be answered" "mysteries will be solved" "mysteries will be answered" it says revealed as in more mysteries will be brought up.

  • May 28, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit!!!

    by parissun

    I'm not sure why people like Sith think anyone cares if they buy the dvd or not. Who gives a shit if you buy a dvd to a tv series? No one on this board cares about your buying habits. The show is over, so telling ABC about it will not doing anything either. Telling us your not going to buy this is the equivalent of saying your not going to take a shit. And, okay?

  • May 28, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    ParisSun

    by SithMenace

    It's a Talkback. Talk. Back. Get it? That's what it's here for. Besides, no one gives a shit that you don't give a shit that I don't give a shit.

  • May 28, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I give no shits to anyone!

    by D.Vader

    I keeps my shit for myself.

  • May 28, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Food Drop

    by Katet19

    Is it possible the Others maintained the illusion the the Dharma initiative was still operational so they could continue to procure supplies? Mikail was utilizing their communications station after all.

  • May 28, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    SithMenace, time to move on.

    by parissun

    You aren't discussing Lost. You're and the rest of the haters are just pissing on it. If you want to discuss something that went on with the seriers then you are correct, this is a forum. If you want to say it disappointed you after the episode went off, fine. But it's five days later and you're saying the same things you have said from day one. So, go outside, get some fresh air and move the fuck on. Why continue to bitch about a show you hate. And thanks Darkocity, I'll have another, toot toot.

  • May 28, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Ladies

    by Luscious.868

    Lost will go down as one of the best shows in TV history. Deal with it. Cry all you want about not getting all of the answers. That's life. There was nothing they could have dreamed up that would have satisfied the whiners anyway.

  • May 28, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Nothing they could have dreamed up?

    by severianx1

    They sure as hell could have dreamed up something better than the steaming pile of horseshit that was the series finale.

  • May 29, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Life On Mars / Ashes

    by TheComedian77

    What the fuck are you smoking??? As a Brit who couldn't be bothered to watch more than a few eps of the shitfest that was Ashes, I can't imagine why you would compare the two. Life On Mars was a cop show masquerading as Sci-Fi. The ending to that show was ABYSMAL. We all fucking KNEW he was in a coma for both seasons. And guess what.....BINGO! Of course I've read that the finale to Ashes may suggest otherwise, but come on. They pulled that out of their asses for THAT show. Gene was never a fucking angel or whatever. The most overrated show we've ever made. Ashes? Do me a favour. Ever seen a show trying so hard to parody something that they become that which they are supposed to be taking off. Fucking dire. The LOST finale was perfect, for those of us who gave a damn about the characters. Those of you who were 'just watching it to see how it ended' were NEVER going to like it. Anyone who didn't have tears in their eyes has a fucking heart of stone. Yeah that includes you 'severianx1'. And anyone who 'stopped watching ages ago', your opinion of the ending don't count. That's like flipping to the last chapter in a book for Christs sake!

  • May 29, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    My Lost review... yes I've torn apart the plot and exposed why i

    by awesomebri

    Lost. How my once favorite show became the worst show I have ever seen. First of all let me say I was a massive fan of Lost up until yesterday when I watched the final episode. I am now just one of the suckers who stuck with it through tick and thin in the hope that I would get a brilliant work of genius ending that would make at least some of the vagueness through-out not matter so much... I really did love the show and was an optimist and wanted it to be good, but instead I got an ending that made almost everything in the show meaningless to me. One of the most annoying things I’ve read online by the suckers who love the ending is that, people who don't like it... “don’t get it” and “do not understand the deep and complex themes that the show deals with”. Quite the opposite, if I was confused I might like it, my problem is I can see all the problems. They have simply mistaken the deep vacuous plot holes for deep complex themes, and have been duped by their own short term memories. There are far more reasons why the show does NOT work then why it does work, and as far as I’m concerned the people who like the end would have lapped up anything because I cannot think of anything worse or less relevant then what we got. Why it doesn’t work? SPOILERS!!!! As we now know, the flash sideways’ we have been watching is, drum roll please...... the After-Life! Now lets be clear, only the flash sideways is the after life, not what happened on the island like fan theories speculated for many years. Basically the flash sideways’ have absolutely nothing to do with the story of Lost which took place on some cool weird island in the pacific, it is simply the Losties (pardon the phrase but I’m going to use it for convienience) in their afterlife trying to remember how they once knew each other. It is completely irrelevant to the first 5 seasons, and to the rest of what is going on in season 6. That's right, approximately 7 hours (give or take) of the final season has nothing to do with the story of the Losties and the island. Its only connection to the story is the lame and cheesy parallels it draws on. Coronation Street could finish their show in the exact same way with everyone meeting up in the Rovers Return in the afterlife, everyone would remember how they touched each others lives and Jack Duckworth could open up the doors walk out into the street filled with heavenly light. It is just as relevant to Coronation Street as it is to Lost. As in... it’s not. The afterlife is a tricky subject to deal with with any series/film but when its nothing to do with what the show started out as it is very hard to swallow especially when the afterlife is a fully functioning planet earth... which is were the problems begin ...end, I dont know its all arseways anyway. At the beginning of this series in the very first flash sideways as Oceanic flight 815 flies over the pacific, the camera drops down into the ocean and the film makers choose show us the island submerged beneath the water. That was a choice they made to show us that in this world the island does exist but it is simply beneath sea level, which works with the idea that the hydrogen bomb flattened the Island in the 70’s. If the flash sideways' were some weird mental construct made by the souls of the Losties in the afterlife why is it so detailed in places they do not inhabit? Why does it seem to be a fully functioning planet earth, why is the afterlife almost exactly the same as real life, where people can actually kill other people, remember Sayid killing Keamy and his men in the kitchen? Imagine killing someone in the afterlife, hate to be that guy! Basically in this after life one can do anything that one can do in real life. I personally find that hard to accept and weak storytelling, maybe its just “too deep” for me. In this afterlife, what was the story with Jack’s son? Poor bastard gets abandoned into the realm of never existed as do many others. What about Arron? Claire gives birth to him, again! ...he is present in the church as a baby, so what happened to his life? Did he not grow up? Christian tells Jack “the most important part of your life is the time you spent with these people, that's why all of you are here”. That is nonsense. The Losties had so much more in there lives, example: Sayid, surely meeting Nadia in the Iraqi prison, falling in love with her, loosing her, trying desperately to find her, her murder and his inevitable revenge killing of everyone who was involved in her murder was more important then his picnic on the beach with Shannon. Jesus, poor Shannon and Boone, they didn't last long, how is the short insignificant time they spent on the island the most important part of their lives? I honestly believe the writers started this storyline at the beginning of the season as a parallel universe and they couldn't figure a way out of it and this is what we got. Daniel Faraday even said it in a flash sideways’, “what if this wasn’t supposed to be our life, but for some reason we changed things.” Vague yes, could still be the after life, maybe, but it sounds more like a parallel universe. Somewhere after he said that the writers got stuck and fobbed us off with this after life crap. I could go on explaining how this after life storyline is bullshit and has nothing to do with the rest of the story, and basically makes a mockery of the idea of an after life but I’ve so much more to say about the actual show we followed for six years. Lets start off with the “Rules”. To my memory we first heard the rules in season 4 when we learned that Ben cannot kill Charles because of the “Rules”. Now remember, Ben’s daughter Alex is now dead because of Charles. Ben has killed a lot of people, surely the only rule that could/would stop Ben from killing Charles is some weird higher power right? That is what it seems to be between Jacob and the man in black, and between Jack and Richard when they attempt killing themselves with the dynamite. They are simply incapable of killing each other for whatever reason. Pretty vague but we can go with it for awhile... until in the last episode Ben ignores it and shoots Charles dead. What? So the rules are just ‘manners’, there is no higher power? The man in black seemed pretty determined to get off the island and to kill Jacob for hundreds of years, I think ‘manners’ would have been forgotten about by now. Some people will say that “they are a different set of rules”... I say to them, “lap it up you suckers” How/why did the light turn the man in black into a smoke monster? When Desmond goes down into the light in the finale we see what looks like dozens of skeletons scattered around, I might be wrong with that one but why weren’t they turned into smoke monsters too? If only Desmond could withstand the ‘electro-magnetism’ how come Jack could re-plug the ‘cork’, turn back on the light and not die instantly... never mind that, how the hell did he get back to the surface? I actually thought he was going to have smoke monster powers after that... Jesus that might have made sense in a weird Lostian way but no, JJ Abrams must have gotten Scotty to beam him up instead. Jesus, just even reading back what I just wrote about the ‘cork’ and the ‘light’ ...what a vague load of nonsense. Why hadn’t the Dharma Initiative set up a station by the light? Why didn't the man in black just go and put out the light ages ago? Why couldn’t he leave the island because of it? I’m sure he had lots of opportunities, he wanted to leave on the plane in this season right? Could he have not left on the submarine during the 70’s or when the ‘others’ had access to the submarine? He can take different forms right? Just pretend he’s anyone else and get on the sub, or any of the many boats that conveniently pop up from time to time. Which leads me to another thing... he was taking the form of Christian in Jacks visions right? Then how come Jack had a vision of Christian in the hospital in season 4 off the island? Sloppy lads, very sloppy. Another thing that really bugged me, was the meaningless death Jin & Sun suffered. Ironically the second last episode was called “What They Died For” Jacob sits everyone down to explain, quoting Jacob here - “What They Died For” but managers to avoid it completely seconds later with another vague load of crap about protecting the light. Fuck the light, why is it so important? Why is Jacob imortal? Why is he being such a dick, just let the man in black leave, why all the fuss? He’s only angry because Jacob wont let him leave. Jacob tells Kate he crossed her name off because she became a mother but he still kept Jin and Sun on the list? What? And I’m sorry but how retarded was Jin & Sun choosing to die together when they have a daughter off the island. Good one Jin, very noble. And another thing, it was a bit convenient that Jacob could suddenly appear to everyone, don't even get me started on what a let down the mysterious Jacob was, and what was with his wardrobe guy? Its like the actor just turned up in his own cheap shirt and they went with it. Oh yeah and remember Sayid came back from the dead? That was weird. Basically the show is a loaded with dead end plot holes and they tried to distract us from them by giving us a bigger load of bullshit to think about (which really doesn't take very long, I’m sorry suckers but it’s not that deep) and anyone who likes the end has been suckered into the biggest TV cop-out since Pam Ewing had her dream in Dallas all those years ago. I’m not saying that we need to have everything explained, far from it, mystery when its acknowledged can be fantastic, it’s the reason we loved the show in the first place but the blatant ignoring of previous story lines and constant contradiction is as low as any writers can get. While writing this I have literally deleted full paragraphs of other plot holes and contradictions, but we have all suffered enough and I am sorry I went on as much as I did already. Lost is lost to me forever. - awesomebri@gmail.com

  • May 29, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    big fan of emerson

    by brechtsky

    he was truly amazing in season two, and has been a great resource for fans for the show... Plus I love how he read all the books and shit himself, he was as much of a fan as anyone else, and I loved that. Plus, he just seems like a really good, genuine guy in every interview I've seen or read with him.

  • May 29, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Great Dana Carvey intretation on LOST

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0b61ee18a6/dana-carvey-s-lost-spin-off?rel=auto_related&rel_pos=2

  • May 29, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    AWESOMEBRI, you sir are...

    by tombseye

    absolutely correct on all fronts. This show made no sense and I was also a fan even when this stuff got convoluted, I figured, okay there's probably a reason. And, indeed, the 'characters' made no sense either. Their pairings appear more nice and neat as opposed to 'true love' and the afterlife storyline, complete stupid waste of time and pointless to the show. If they wanted to do that, why not as an epilogue or something and make it an episode, but don't drag it out! And yes, island is underwater, but it doesn't matter because it's all an afterlife limbo dream! Hell, this show doesn't need spoiler alerts because there's nothing to spoil! This show is viewable until season two and has a few episodes worth checking out on their own, but as a series, this thing is a huge disappointment and no way I'm buying this boxed set. I'll download whatever extra stuff they have, but won't pay these guys anything. They've been overpaid as it is and their next project, whatever it is, gonna pass.

  • May 29, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    TheComedian77

    by severianx1

    The thing is, I don't have a heart of stone, and I do give a damn about the characters. I actually did get all choked up and misty-eyed during several scenes, and was quite emotionally involved in the whole thing, until I found out that they were all dead, at which point I no longer gave a shit. I must thank you though, because you have helped me realize my main problem with the finale, and in hindsight a good portion of the final season, which is - I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT HAPPENED TO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE AFTERLIFE. All I give a shit about is some kind of satisfying resolution to the story that was being told for the preceeding 5 seasons, and "they all eventually died and met up in the afterlife" is not it. As has been pointed out by many, anyone could end any story like that. It's a copout, and it's just plain bad writing. It's the equivalent of beginning a story with "It was a dark and stormy night". It's just fucking lame.

  • May 29, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Dana Carvey Lost parody

    by severianx1

    That was fucking hilarious and bang on. Hopefully there will be many more such parodies poking fun at how meaningless and ridiculous it all turned out to be. In fact, I predict that the show and it's main writers will eventually become objects of ridicule, and it will be held up as an example of what not to do. I envision various people who were involved with the show trying to downplay their involvement, and those who are unable to saying things like: "We really thought we were doing something great at the time, but in hindsight, WTF were we thinking?"

  • May 29, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    can someone explain...

    by VENOM69

    why sawyer cared that Charlotte was going to the driveshaft concert in the afterlife? or why ana Lucia needed $ in the afterlife?

  • May 29, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Hell, I responded to the emotional stuff

    by tombseye

    and then they explained that it was all the after-life so that part of the emotion got sucked out fast. It looked more like a cast reunion backstage than anything else. As for the numerous inconsistencies and aspects of the island non-afterlife part of the show, come on. Seriously, all they had to do was answer SOME questions and even a few quick mentions of what some things meant. Hell, hire a few scifi writers to help and you're golden and jettison the afterlife crap (or most of it) to make way.

  • May 29, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    thanks tombseye...

    by awesomebri

    You're right also, they should have hired some proper sci-fi writers and some writers who actually cared where the story went and those exec producers who wrote the finale should never write ever because they have no concept of continuity or pacing. severianx1.... also agree why should we be expect to care what happens in their after life when, we don't even have closure of what happens in their actual life.

  • May 29, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The knives are out....

    by TheComedian77

    To borrow an Aussie expression (at least, it was used in Underbelly); you guys are fucking lulu. You're a bunch of sooks. Whinging and moaning. Harry; change the name of this site to 'aint it shit'. Because all anyone does is bitch and moan, whinge and complain. "I liked it til I found out they were in heaven!" Why?! Why the frak does that spoil the ending? It was the ending. It wasn't a puzzle you put together. So they didn't spend 2 and a half hours answering every pathetic question you guys had ever wanted answering. Boo fuckin hoo. Harden the fuck up. We got plenty of answers during the season, before the finale. PLENTY. But that wasn't enough for y'all. So now they 'needed to hire decent SF writers'. Who? You?! Give me a break. Go watch Heroes.....oh. Wait. Yup. Whatever.

  • May 29, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    TheComedian77

    by awesomebri

    Heros? My point was that I like shows that make sense. I gave up on Heroes a long time ago. You don't have to, its clearly up to you but if you want read my review and I explain why the ending is flawed. Its not about the lack of answers, its about the contradictions and the plot holes. For the record yes I do think I could write a better script but I can't possibly proved that right now, and you cant prove against it either so sticking with the discussion at hand... read my review and see why the show doesn't work. By the way if you shocked at aintitcool readers having opposing opinions you must be either new here (on the internet). Don't be annoyed that people don't share your one.

  • May 30, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Annoyed that folks don't agree...?

    by TheComedian77

    No I'm not new or 'shccked', just tired of the negativity. And if anyone has a problem with folks not agreeing with them it's you! Your rambling 'review' is really just your explanation of why you hated the ending and how anyone who liked it is a moron. Yeah, exactly that! What did you say? Anyone satisfied by that would have accepted anything? Gee, thanks. Well I'm sorry that's your opinion but that's all it is, your opinion. For the record, I'm sick or hearing 'I could write a better script'. Thinking is one thing - we'va ALL thought that at some point. Doing it is another. What did you WANT from the ending? Some of them died, some of them got home. Jack saved the island then died - but he got to see them all again in the afterlife. We don't know when they died (hell, maybe Aaron DID grow up) -- Jack sees them AS HE REMEMBERS THEM. It's the afterlife for fraks sake. Maybe when they go into the light or whatever, maybe Aaron goes to his own version of heaven where he's grown up. We don't know that Jack spends eternity with them. You could say 'why go back to the Island?' as they did in the last season.....well, Jack was depressed because he wasn't fulfilling his purpose - which turned out to be saving the island. And of course they did eventually find out Claire was alive, and they rescued her. No-one can make you love the last eps, but they don't destroy everything that came before to me. But then I'm one of those sad sacks who like the ending. I'm sorry that your review didn't make me say 'I once was blind but now I see'(!)

  • May 30, 2010, 5:31 a.m. CST

    for the record....

    by awesomebri

    You suggested me writing a better script not me. "So now they 'needed to hire decent SF writers'. Who? You?! Give me a break." If you are comfortable with and after life story line where people can actually kill other people then far play to you man I'm glad you liked it... but that's a little too far out of the box for me. There is clearly something wrong with me for picking up on that gaping plot hole ...and the countless others.

  • May 30, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    It's sad what they did to Ben's character, and Richard, too...

    by Coughlins Laws

    The absolute ridiculousness of neutering him for the final season, revealing him as a character who knew no more than the audience was just a stupid decision. The more I think about this season and ending, the more I dislike it. Almost every decision they've made since detonating the bomb feels wrong...

  • June 2, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Coughlins: I See That, But I Still Liked It

    by kevinwillis.net

    But I agree they neutered Richard. Ben's arc made more sense. Richard really wasn't well thought out, though I loved Ab Aeterno. <br><br>On the whole, I bet I'm going to enjoy watching Season 6 over.