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Has Jeremy Renner really signed to play Clint Barton? AVENGERS rumblings...

Published at: May 26, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here with the juiciest little purr I've heard in a while. Heard today from a first time source with a very interesting connection to all of this. One that was checked up on and seems to be solid. BUT according to this source Jeremy Renner has gone from the Bomb Squad in Iraq to possibly the AVENGERS as the character of HAWKEYE. I find this news very interesting - we initially had the idea that this AVENGERS was going to be fairly old school. HULK, THOR, IRON MAN, CAPTAIN AMERICA and maybe ol Hank Pym, but with that never being said outright. Then in the wake of IRON MAN - we begin to hear that BLACK WIDOW and NICK FURY were going to have significant roles in AVENGERS... and now this? Take the story with a grain of salt, there is a possibility for misunderstanding, given how I did hear this. BUT - the story goes that the reason this has happened at this point is... there's a chance at a cameo in some Marvel flick that is shooting now, but again - that is speculative. We will be doing additional digging on this. But I do like the casting.

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  • May 26, 2010, 3:36 a.m. CST

    who is Jeremy Renner?

    by mrbong

    it sounds like this film will be two hours of introducing characters and little else.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Good choice

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    This could work. Starting to get very excited about this project...though I suspect that it will signal the death knell for comic book movies due to costume fatigue, but better to end with a bang than a whimper.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    oh hang on

    by mrbong

    he has gone from Bomb Squad in Iraq - was he that twat who tried to be an Elvis acolyte in that horrid, dull film The Hurt Locker? good that he is cashing in whilst he can, i would have for him to become "the white Cuba Gooding jnr"

  • May 26, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT THIS IS OLD!!!

    by King_Knut

    Seriously, this has been doing the rounds for months.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Renner - great casting

    by dastickboy

    Was my pick to play Cap, but he'd be a great Hawkeye as well.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:55 a.m. CST

    They're using some of the Ultimate Versions of The Avengers

    by GlasgowChivas

    in this movie. Check it out. Black Widow and Hawkeye are the Black-ops arm of SHIELD at the time of The Avengers being assembled

  • May 26, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Let me guess...he will be wearing dark leather.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

  • May 26, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Yeah, need to check this isn't that old rumour

    by SoWasRed2012

    This was suggested right around when The Hurt Locker first hit cinemas, and mentioned in interviews (there's one Empire did with him where they bring it up, I'm sure), but nothing ever came of it. If this is NEW news, bring it on! Renner for Hawkeye!!

  • May 26, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    This was a rumor nearly a year ago!

    by Bodacious_Crumb

  • May 26, 2010, 4 a.m. CST

    Comparisoon Pic

    by GlasgowChivas

    Renner - http://tinyheroes.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/jeremy_renner.jpg Ultimate Hawkeye - http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/859567-hawkeye__ultimate__003_super.jpg

  • May 26, 2010, 4:04 a.m. CST

    You really don't check your facts much do you?

    by Tandemar

    Renners wiki says the following: Renner was said to have been in talks with Marvel Entertainment to play the character Hawkeye in a movie series based on The Avengers but has since explained that it was pure conjecture with no truth to him actually doing it.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 : Avengers will hurt the stand alone films.

    by Se7en

    As witnessed in Iron Man 2, Avengers will eventually be the death of the Marvel Films as they will all suck to cater 'The Avengers' film, which because of all the mess will also eventually suck.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    PLEASE limit the Ultimates influence!!!

    by rpalompo

    I know the movies are a hybrid of the different comic versions as well as having its own "movie" flavor and ideas, but please stay to the original Avengers as much as possible!! We'll take the Sam Jackson Nick Fury, but please not too much more!! Thanks for listening.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Se7en

    by Mr Gorilla

    God I agree with you. IRON MAN 2 felt like one big trailer for the next MARVEL film. I love movies, but I don't read comics, which means that the post-credit bit in IRON MAN 2 meant ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to me. As did all that stuff with Sam Jackson. They were worrying about all this Avengers stuff, when they should have been worried about the nonsensical message of the movie, which seemed to be: 'Weapons are bad - unless you have a really advanced weapon and put it in the hands of someone who you think you can trust."

  • May 26, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    This is OLD news..

    by Rupee88

    not sure how you missed it

  • May 26, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Renner should've been Cap!

    by Zardoz

    There. I said it. And I'm not sorry!

  • May 26, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    If this is real...

    by PreciousRoy

    ...that's a really good choice to play Hawkeye. Here's hoping they nail the casting for the Wasp soon, too.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla?

    by paralyser-pro

    How can you say IM2 was a trailer for the Avengers? The movie had more character development than any comic film ever! IM2 was the first ever comic film that felt like a comic!

  • May 26, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    paralyser-pro

    by Se7en

    Sorry but I saw NADA character development in IM2. Tony Stark the film's protagonist went through zero character development (unlike in Iron Man, which was a hell of a fantastic film). The arc-reactor that was killing him did nothing to humble him or change his character AT ALL.

  • May 26, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    I can't believe you are treating this as news!

    by Wonderboys

    What, Harry? Don't you read other movie websites?

  • May 26, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Se7en

    by paralyser-pro

    It changed his perception of his Dad. It opened his mind about sharing his responsibilities with Rhodey. We also got more action and dialogue from Happy, who was an integral part of the comics circa 68-69. My take is that the first Iron Man took a comic and made it into a great film, but I feel that IM2 was a film that felt more like the comic.

  • May 26, 2010, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Hype, hype, hype = horrible movie

    by thatswhatshesaid

    I hope this movie rocks, I really do. But got a feeling after countless headlines on this site and others about Avengers, the movie will come out and it will be a major let down. Don't see why the studios would care about a great story when they are guaranteed to make money no matter how bad it is.

  • May 26, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Renner called me, crying

    by YackBacker

    That he wasn't cast as Spider-Woman instead.

  • May 26, 2010, 5:59 a.m. CST

    OK so Harry should we take it with a grain of salt..

    by quantize

    or are your oh-so-inside sources solid? Talk about filling in NO NEWS with yet more NON NEWS

  • May 26, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Who <p> Is <p> Hawkeye?

    by Pawprint

  • May 26, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Lay off Harry

    by Nesskid

    You do realize that you are coming onto a FREE website to get your movie news, right? Everytime something comes out, you all jump up Harry's ass for being late. Per Wonderboys: "What, Harry? Don't you read other movie websites?" Maybe Harry isn't the first guy to report something eveytime, but guess what? Some people only come here for movie news because it is just a diversion. We don't all swim in fucking movie and superhero websites all day. If someone else is reporting on the movies that you want to see, sooner than Harry, than stay on their websites! Stop coming to this one and displaying your hate-fueled rants. Or, better yet, create your own goddamn website and see how easy it is to get a 'scoop' before everyone else. There's a lot of conjecture about like, EVERY role and potential movie out there, when you come on a site like this and yell at Harry for not spoon-feeding you every little tidbit first, you sound like little bitchy assholes.

  • May 26, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    A really good choice to play Hawkeye would be nobody

    by Ribbons

    Okay, look. I know there are a lot of hardcore Avengers fans here, and I know we're talking about a comic book movie, but characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow should not realistically be on the same team as characters like Thor or Iron Man. It'd be like an adult sparring with a toddler. And Hawkeye is even worse because he uses bows and arrows (rather than guns) even though that makes no fucking sense. This isn't a challenge, by the way; I'm sure Whedon or whoever ends up making the movie could actually pair them up. But if they do, it'll look ridiculous. Just because people don't question the fact that they're on the same team in the comics isn't a good enough reason to do it; people don't question a lot of shit in comics that would look ridiculous on film. Comic book characters (and their fans) take a lot of things at face value that you wouldn't be able to get away with elsewhere.

  • May 26, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Harry, We Know Who You Got This Scoop From...

    by Media Messiah

    ...last initial, W.<BR><BR>Question? Is Jeremy Renner the guy who was the lead in "Hurt Locker"? If true, he is a great actor and really one of the best acting discoveries in Hollywood, in a few years now.<BR><BR>I must say, I hated "Iron Man 2". Why? Because they casted a lot of great actors in the film, but gave them weak movivations and dialogue. When you cast above average actors in a film, they are suppose to raise the scripted material to their level, not be lowered, significantly, by it. My God, most of them, these A-list cast, appeared as if they were second tier newbies to the business, with no real acting ability, now how the hell does that happen?<BR><BR>Sure, make us an entertaining popcorn film/blockbuster, but give us some depth, and weight, if you are going to cast some of the best acting talent in the industry; damn it, let them act!!! I hope Joss gets that--you can balance both here. You can be commercial, entertaining, and yet, weighty.<BR><BR>Oh, and Harry, we already know who your secret source is, you're co-producing a movie with him--it's obvious!!!!

  • May 26, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Go to hell..

    by Axl Z

    And fight Mephisto.. HawkEye sucks!!

  • May 26, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    so its not a M.A.S.H movie? damn.

    by Bouncy X

  • May 26, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3

    by Axl Z

    And with every new character announced this is sounding more like the above film than anything else.. Screen time between characters sems like it'll be rushed too.. On the plus side, we'd have been introduced to IronMan, Thor, CapAmerica, BlackWid & NickF by this point so maybe HawkEye will get the most time on screen and development?

  • May 26, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Do we need Hawkeye?

    by moorE12

  • May 26, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 3: Avengers Assemble!

    by EastcoastAvenger

    Beings that the Starks are at the center of the Marvel movieverse these days just make the Avengers another sequel!

  • May 26, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Hank Pym

    by yrimpossible

    I read somewhere he'll be played by Nathan Fillion (rumour only). He'd also be in Edgar Wright's Ant-Man, though Scott Lang is the main character.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Hawkeye is the Comic Relief

    by Autodidact

    He's a wise-cracker, and yeah it's kind of silly to have him on the same team with Thor, Hulk, and Iron-Man.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    If Whedon is directing this...

    by darthsynn

    you know Nathan Fillion will most likely get the part.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Wow Harry Aintitsixmontholdassnews

    by Phategod2

  • May 26, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Hey Paralyser -

    by Mr Gorilla

    I think you are being too kind on the film. The storylines felt that they committed the movie sin of telling rather than showing. The dad flashbacks felt like a made-up, not real problem that was set up so it could be solved.I had no idea Stark has 'dad problems' until I was told. The Rhodey thing wasn't executed in any meaningful way: I got no idea that they had a friendship, that Stark needed Rhodes, that Rhodes betrayed Stark, that they had to understand each other better and accept that they needed each other before becoming a double-act. All these marks were 'hit' in the screenplay but in a very uninvolving way. Compare it with Avatar: OK, Avatar was schlocky and over-sentimental, but I really felt I saw characters face up to challenges, make mistakes, atone for them - I got involved on a gut level and by that final fight I really wanted our hero to win.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:13 a.m. CST

    East Coast Avengers?

    by Autodidact

    I'm pretty sure in the mid-80s Marvel split the avengers into East Coast and West Coast. To my ten year old mind the West Coast team was completely lame, having the ultra-lame triangular ARC reactor Iron-Man design, Hawkeye, and some other lame characters. I can't remember who was on East Coast but I remember feeling like they were tougher and more bad-ass. I didn't care much for the Avengers back then, still could hardly give a crap although I've read some good Avengers comics over the years.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Superhero Father Shit

    by Autodidact

    I was horrified upon cracking open my highly recommended "Batman & Robin: Batman Reborn" hardcover to discover that Robin in this story is Batman's KID!... Batman has a fucking kid now!?!?! Christ almighty is the Fonz going to move into the batcave? <p>Why does almost every goddamn Hollywood comic-book adaptation insist on cranking up the father-son relationship to such a degree? Maybe some of us would like to see a hero become something on his own merits?

  • May 26, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Complaining that there will be too many characters...

    by Chewtoy

    Is like saying "The Magnificent Seven" or "The Dirty Dozen" sucked because there were too many characters. It's about a team... That's the point.<br><br>The one thing that the Avengers (and Thor and Cap) needs, however, is a villain with a plot. Both Iron Man movies and the Incredible Hulk ended with a fight for a fight's sake. There really was nothing else at stake than "the villain wants to kill the hero", and for me, that's why all of those final battles feel so lackluster. (Its also odd that in all three the villain is physically the underdog until the final confrontation, which again doesn't ramp up tension throughout the film to the big clash.) Thor and Captain America will hopefully improve on this, as it sounds like Loki has a plot and there are obvious stakes in WWII. I just hope that The Avengers isn't about the team fighting the Hulk or some other random mayhem. A villain with a plot that the audience feels must be stopped (or a wrong that must be righted) is how you get an ending with impact.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Great casting if true

    by hallmitchell

    Well done Marvel. Keep up the scouting.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    King Knut already said it

    by Bruce of all Trades

    But holy fucking balls, this is older than the casting of Chris Evans as Cap. It's so old, I think it even was a rumor back when Iron Man 2 was in production. Renner himself debunked the rumor LAST YEAR by saying it was just an idea. See: <p><p>http://tinyurl.com/38jsczg <p><p>So Harry, if this is some new rumor, saying that Renner is in talks for the role again, then CLARIFY that shit in your article, man. But if this is really the first time you've heard about it, then Christ, this site has gone to the dogs. The only real news that's actually new anymore are Harry's exclusive scoops he gets from pals he's made over the years like Rodriguez and Stallone. And the only reason I come here anymore is the hilarious talkbacks. God knows it's not the 2-3 day old news or the reviews (except Quint's, who's the only reviewer with some insight and professionalism of the lot)

  • May 26, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    a valid point, Chewtoy

    by mrbong

    but....D12 and M7 didn't spend a great deal of time with any sort of "origins" or background development for the characters. the studios are going to kind of insist they do with this so as they don't feel like they are limiting the audience to "comic book types". i fear they will either kill it with over-development of characters.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    About there being to many characters

    by MAD_MIKE

    I just watched Justice League: Crisis on two Earths. <P> That was a 75 minute fim with 16 primary characters, and about 20 cameo's. Yet it is the most solid of the DC Animated offerings with a really good story, great action and compelling indevidual character moments. <P> If this can be done in an animated film, then they can do it live action. <P> They just need to find and maintain a balance.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Renner is good, Hawkeye is needed

    by Pirate_King

    I've not seen Hurt Locker, but i remember the guy from an episode of Angel, and I think he'll do a good job. My personal choice would've been Josh Holloway. But I digress. Why Hawkeye belongs in this movie is not just because of the Ultimates thing, but because a) he's relatively easy to introduce, especially if they go the Ultimates route, b) he's a relatively cheaper character to add - no superpowers or augmented equipment, c) a guy with a bow and arrow, being all pure-aim and quick-shot, and standing side-by-side with the likes of Thor and Iron Man is actually pretty cool! d) he grounds the team - he's a (relatively) normal guy surrounded by these superhumans and will give a human perspective. Plus some much-needed humour, and e) his personality is somewhat more street-level, and this will also provide a good contrast from the bigger guns. So, in short, it's about having a good and dramatic team, for which Hawkeye will fill a certain gap amongst the millionaire industrialists, the gods, the time-removed super soldiers and so on.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Maybe they'll introduce Hawkeye..

    by eule

    ..as a member of Shield at the End of Captain America. Renner's a great choice,he could be the badass of the group

  • May 26, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    They shouldn't need to do origins for everyone...

    by Chewtoy

    They gave no origin for the Black Widow, after all... And Iron Man, Cap and Thor will already be taken care of. I suspect, at most, we'd get a Fury briefing on the secondary characters as we're introduced to the team. The nice thing about SHIELD recruiting these characters is that they don't have to just happen across each other. That's probably the only good thing I'll say for The Ultimates route.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    David Caruso IS Daimon Hellstrom!

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    Oops. That's the Defenders movie. I remember Star Fox was briefly an Avenger if they needed a redhead.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Fairly Old School?

    by UltraAtomPrime

    Hawkeye joined the Avengers in issue #16, 2 years into the 47 year history of the comic book. How is that not old school? Captain America wasn't on the original Avengers either.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    HAWKEYE AND...

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    Along with Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, (hopefully) Ant-Man and the Wasp and Hawkeye, they could also ass Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. I read somewhere yesterday that Jennifer Garner had been approached to take a NEW role in a SIGNIFICANT new Marvel Movie. Scarlet Witch maybe???

  • May 26, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    THE TRUE PINBACK

    by eule

    The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver characters belong to fox as they're part of the X-Men Universe. Though it's a shame as I'd like to see them both as well in an Avengers movie

  • May 26, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Agreed

    by yrimpossible

    SW and Quicksilver are mutants so unless they get retconned, don't expect to see them in The Avengers. However, Jennifer Garner as Janet Van Dyne? I'd paid money to see that. It makes total sense for The Avengers to include characters not in the other movies. Robert Downey Jnr might end up too expensive (even though he's signed he might hold out for more) so added characters could reduced the screen time of bigger stars - I daresay Ed Norton will only appear in cameo, with Banner as Hulk through most of the film (perhaps being controlled by Loki or skrulls or whatever the big bad is) And to Mr Gorilla and Autodidact: All the best cowboys have daddy issues.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are tied up at Fox

    by Chewtoy

    It sucks, but Marvel's Kevin Fiege (sp?) said that the Fox deal is all-inclusive when it comes to mutant characters. The heart of the Avengers comic for the first few hundred issues was always based around the secondary characters, since they were the ones that could actually have real story progression. You had the big three (Cap, Iron Man and Thor) who came and went, and then you had the secondary five (Pym, Wasp, Hawkeye, The Vision & the Scarlet Witch) which formed the heart of about any and all subplots in the book. I remember Marvel posting a rundown of all the team members and the number of Avengers issues they had appeared in right before the Millenium, and while Cap was #1, the Vision was #2, and the other "secondary" characters were all at the top as well. A lot of the big three's appearances were practically guest shots, briefly showing up in an issue. For non- Avengers fans, I know it's all about those big names, but I hope they at least nod to the characters that made up the heart of the book for decades.

  • May 26, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Mark D'Agastino

    by TheMark

    I'm just glad to see Jeremy Renner is getting noticed. I've been a fan of this guy ever since I enjoyed (I was like 12) National Lampoon's Senior Trip. Think we can get Hawkeye to shout "Lets do some Van Damme-age!"

  • May 26, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    Will they give him stilts

    by Abominable Snowcone

    to go with his purple unitard?

  • May 26, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Son of Satan WAS an Avenger...

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    West Coast, that is. Excuse my OCD on the subject. I wanted to get that in before someone handed me my ass about it.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Fillion

    by Dingbatty

    Renner said he is embarrassed by the character's costume. And please no Ultimates dreck.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Marvel Ultimate Universe

    by AnUsulDarkley

    Seems most of the tie in Marvel movies are in the Ultimate Universe storylines. It will be interesting to see this continue.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    This rumor is so old...

    by 10broeck

    the candles on its birthday cake raised earths temperature by 3 degrees.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Aint it old news.

    by Stalkeye

  • May 26, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    @Autodidact

    by silents47

    You're YEARS behind. Since his 10-year old, trained assassin son was born (by the daughter of the bad guy from Batman Begins), they've had... what, 3 Robins, 2 Batgirls and a Batwoman? This one, however, wasn't a sign of "jumping the shark" or whatnot... B&R is one of the best comics of the past few years, even with the original Robin as Batman and Bruce's son as Robin.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    ultimate hawkeye

    by satansteve

    Can see this working if its ultimate hawkeye. I see peoples points that BW and Hawkeye are small-fry, but it makes sense to have them on the black-ops side. They're still superhumans (Ulimate Hawkeye was bionic or something) but just not in the public eye. They're the ones you send when you need lots of people killed, not a big public super-fight. I'm all for this.

  • May 26, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by Autodidact

    I stopped keeping up with bat-continuity after Knightfall (Kane breaking Batman's back was one of the worst-drawn comic panels of all time). I have two full boxes of just Batman comics, but they're virtually all trades or issues from the 80s/early 90s. <p> I didn't think Batman Reborn was that great, and I'm a huge fan of Batman, Grant Morrisson, and Frank Quitely. <p>I hate Robin as a concept in the first place. People defend it because Robin was introduced early on... so what? It's still lame pandering to try and get little boys to relate better to the material. Meanwhile I never me ANYONE who wanted to be Robin. Kids want to be Batman. They just accept Robin because everyone won't stop fucking using the shit-assed little fuckwad and his gay tights. <p>So I probably shouldn't be buying a comic called "Batman & Robin". But like I said it came highly recommended as in the store owner literally picked it from the shelf for me and said "you will love this." <p>I like my Batman a little more Bob Kane. i.e. a bad-ass who works mostly alone aside from checking in with Comissioner Gordon. I also dislike Oracle, Lucius Fox, etc. ... and come to think of it I hated Son of the Demon and basically any other Batman material that takes him away from the lone creature of the night concept.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Hawkeye = A Lame Version of Green Arrow

    by LaserPants

    Mockingbird? A lame version of Black Canary.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight Sequel

    by dcsmith

    See script here: http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n

  • May 26, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Avengers

    by Snookeroo

    Some assembly required.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I second the robin hate

    by Bathman

    I'm a massive batman fan and i'll read it regardless who appears alongside the dark knight. However, i don't like robin at all, even though the writers try to justify having him there, it still seems odd that a brilliant crime fighter like bruce wayne would allow a teenage boy wearing a costume less protective then the batsuit to fight along side him make absolutley no sense. Even if wayne does see himself in the youngster and even if he does see that robin has great talent the last thing bruce would do is to push him into crime fighting (as much as bruce is obsessed with his mission, he does long for a normal life and at least in my mind he sees being batman as a form of a curse)<P>There have been some great stories that feature robin, but i wish he wan't paird up with batman, Back in the 40's robin should have been his own character, maybe ocasionally showing up in a batman comic like superman did, but never batmans official partner

  • May 26, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Normally I'd agree with you, Nesskid

    by rev_skarekroe

    There's always people here saying "AINT IT OLD NEWS!! I READ THIS ON CHUD 20 MINUTES AGO! THIS SITE IS SHIT NOW!!" etc. etc. But this is a really old rumor. Like, months old. I don't read any other movie news/rumor websites anymore and somehow I already knew about it. Harry is much later than usual this time.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    My source tells me

    by HEADGEEK

    He just finished signing on, rumors heard before were "talks"

  • May 26, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Harry did your source say

    by JackSlater4

    Why he was chosen for Hawkeye instead of Captain America?

  • May 26, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Harry, nevermind that question

    by JackSlater4

    I'm sure it was because of the 9 picture contract for Captain America.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Should be CAP

    by BranMakMorn

    As Zardoz stated.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    There's that fucking Dark Knight Sequel script asshole again

    by robertplant

    You wrote an entire script where Bruce Wayne is exposed as Batman and he goes around just telling everybody "You've got the wrong guy!" As if he was actually exposed in The Dark Knight. Catwoman in Wayne's living room? My God. I am glad I didn't finish it.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Ultimates did it right

    by Adelai Niska

    I just wonder if they'd have the balls to slaughter Hawkeye's kids in Avengers 2.

  • May 26, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Green Arrow = A

    by Argentino

  • May 26, 2010, noon CST

    Green Arrow = A Lame Version of Robin Hood

    by Argentino

    With a touch of Batman in the early years (gadgets, sidekick and so on)

  • May 26, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Green Arrow was only cool...

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    ..in The Dark Knight Returns TPB.

  • May 26, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Ever watch "Deadliest Warrior"?

    by leo54304

    They have guys doing incredible stuff with the bow and other basic weapons. Hawk could do the same. By the way, just recently Hawk snuck into Osborns place and took out all the dark avengers except Ares. So he can hold his own with the big boys. With the choice of Renner, not sure. Good actor but too old looking. Would rather have a younger guy.

  • May 26, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye and Black Widow are needed because...

    by tj donkey show

    sometimes a "mission" requires finesse. The last thing you need when gathering intel is a giant green monster, the richest guy on the planet in shiny metal armor, the Norse God of Thunder, and the living symbol of America's fighting spirit.

  • May 26, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Please tell me...

    by Triple_J_72

    ...that Justin Hammer gets his ass kicked, or dies a horrible death in one of these Marvel movies. Then I'll be happy.

  • May 26, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye as gateway...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...for audience maybe? Hawkeye is the least meta and most relatable of the Avengers...that's why I love him. He's the rogue/outcast type as well (Han Solo, Wolverine,etc)that can ground 'in a good way' all the fantastic events and make them believable. Usually the guy that gets overlooked as a threat in favor of the big guns (Thor, Iron Man, Cap) and ends up saving the day as last man standing. Would love a moment where you're following a huge battle from his perspective at a sniper's distance trying to figure out how he...a normal human, can have a significant impact on the outcome. Renner works for me...he's got that flawed quality that viewers will relate to.

  • May 26, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I really hope Hawkye is in this...

    by joker40

    Renner is a good choice..(I agree with what was mentioned earlier about him as Capt. would have been better...but nathan fillon..I could see...BUT here's my input..said it before...(ALLISON HANNIGAN as scarlet witch...Cmon Joss whedon...you can get willow..

  • May 26, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    This movie will be ruined...

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    Just the set up alone is killing it. 2 hours of getting the team together and 1/2 hour beating the threat.

  • May 26, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Didn't Hawkeye become Ronin or something....

    by BanditDarville

    The Ronin costume is bad ass. White guy in purple semi-Commanche garb- not so much.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...they'll go with a more Black Ops look to Hawkeye, like the ultimate book version, instead of a purple and blue tunic. I'm just glad he's being used...he'll add a lot.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    BUT WILL HE GET TO HEADSHOT SCARLET!

    by Saen

    That is the real question!

  • May 26, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    TJ

    by Ribbons

    Yeah, Hawkeye might not be bad if he has sort of a "recon" role, like Black Widow did in Iron Man 2. However I don't buy all this crap about how the team needs him as a "substitute for the audience." What, all of a sudden people can't relate to Robert Downey Jr.?

  • May 26, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    wouldn't say...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...the idea of having more characters to relate to is 'crap'. Nothing wrong with some people connecting to the rich playboy and others having a lunch pail guy to root for. Hawkeye will enrich the character dynamic.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but...

    by Ribbons

    ...there already will be a pretty diverse character dynamic between the core four, as long as it's written well. My point is that people don't need a "normal guy" filter just to relate to the rest of the group.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Why the little guys?

    by goatowski

    Every one of the actors cast in these marvel movies seem to be small and weak. Captain America needs to have a presence about him. At least 6'4" and built like a brick house. He's a super solder for christ's sake. Ed Norton, Robert Downey Jr., Jeremy Renner are little guys. Holding out hope for Thor. It could be great.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Chris Evans as Cap will be the reason why Avengers will FAIL..

    by Thanos0145

    at the box office!(The other reason is Batman3 coming out as well.) Renner as Hawkeye is a good choice. Fillian or Holloway would be good choices too.

  • May 26, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    This Movie Is Going To Stink

    by TheBriGuy

    It simply is not going to work. Too many main characters already and now they're adding more. It has already gotten 2 years of hype and they haven't even started shooting. Don't compare it to X-Men. With the X-Men you knew there were really only 2 main hero characters and 1 main villain. Avengers has "Batman and Robin" written all over it.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Forgot about Chris Evans.

    by goatowski

    Another little guy.

  • May 26, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Thanks for clearing it up, Harry

    by Bruce of all Trades

  • May 26, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    different strokes...

    by carlotta_valdes

    "My point is that people don't need a "normal guy" filter just to relate to the rest of the group." ...and by "people" you mean you.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Jesus harry..think maybe you could get on this 2 months ago?

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    does news hit your fat toes and take 2 months to reach your head? jesus man. you're just hearing about this? Oh also..guess what..theres a karate kid remake!! I KNOW..CRAZY..and its set in China! and its Will Smiths kid..SERIOUSLY I KNOW..Scoop that shit

  • May 26, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by Ribbons

    By "people" I mean the billions of dollars' worth of them who have made Iron Man so popular.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    So Hawkeye is a crappy Green Arrow rip-off?

    by Snake Foreskin

    How lame.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye's the glue..

    by eule

    ..that holds the team together when Cap is not around. He went from vigilante to hero to leader of the Avengers. Cap always nurtured him because he saw his great potential as a hero and a leader.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye

    by grendel69

    Im sorry but you cant have The Avengers without Hawkeye. Hawkeye and The Pyms belong with the team more than Thor IMHO. In a perfect world the starting team would be Capt A, Iron man, Hawkeye, Hank Pym and Wasp with a appearance by Thor in there to help cleanup. This is good news.

  • May 26, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    What if Jarvis becomes Vision?

    by the Green Gargantua

  • May 26, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    But okay...

    by Ribbons

    ...look, this conversation is starting to get kind of nasty and I didn't intend for that to happen. You're right that different people feel differently and my opinion isn't universally-shared. I guess it all depends on what's important to you. To me what's important about the Avengers is that they're a group of ridiculously powerful heroes that have to reconcile their huge egos and unite to take on a threat too big for them to face themselves. And I don't think the benefits that the "lunch pail" dynamic Hawkeye brings to the team as a normal guy trump the absurdity of his position on the team in the first place, in light of the premise. Again I know a lot of people don't agree, and that's fine, I'm just stating my opinion. But just to use an example, Revolution forced Guillermo del Toro to create the character of Agent Meyers for the first Hellboy film because they thought people wouldn't be able to relate to the freaks otherwise. Did Hellboy II, which was Meyers-less, fail as a result?

  • May 26, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    you fucking people

    by shaft478

    and your god damn opinions. everything is gonna fail, everybody sucks, who the fuck cares what you have to say?

  • May 26, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Green Gargantua

    by eule

    Or maybe Ultron ;)

  • May 26, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by eule

    point taken. There's just this minor fact that Favreau wanted to keep this as "real life" as possible. And while we all know how hard that's going to be with god's flying around and monsters beating the crap out of each other, it'd be nice to see how a regular guy would try to stay alive among all these superhumans, but that's just my opinion...

  • May 26, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye is only slightly below Cap

    by Dingbatty

    in athletic dexterity (minus Cap's resistance to fatigue) and is the one of the few people who can wield Cap's shield. What's his vulnerability other than deafness? Cap is an enhanced human who can be felled with bullets, Iron Man is human in a suit that can fail. Hawkeye can keep up in battle with his Sky-Cycle or a Quinjet, and has fairly destructive arrows (probably enhanced by Stark tech). I fail to see why people think he can't keep up with the others, other than Thor or Hulk?

  • May 26, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Look at how many characters "The Incredibles" worked in.

    by Chewtoy

    Here was an average length movie with no prior introduction of any of the characters, and they featured the 4 speaking members of the Parr family, Frozone, Syndrome, Mirage, and Edna Mode, plus some cute stuff with Jack-Jack and the babysitter. Even without the last two that's 8 characters with significant roles. Then there were nods to and appearances of other characters, from a movie reel of dead heroes (and the corpse of Gazerbeam) to Mr. Incredible's boss and his government handler to villains Bomb Voyage and the Underminer. And the giant robot that was fought multiple times isn't being counted as a character at all, but easily could be. <br><br>So far with The Avengers we're expecting Iron Man, Cap and Thor, and some participation by Fury. Black Widow is probable, and Hulk is possible. Now Hawkeye is mentioned. Even if they all get used, that's 6 "field" heroes and Fury. I don't expect them all to be used equally, so I don't think they're even close to tapping out the maximum number of characters one could fit into an Avengers film.

  • May 26, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Put Wolverine and Spiderman in this...

    by _Venkman

    No more Hugh Jackman though

  • May 26, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Alan Alda would be the best choice for Hawkeye.

    by Uncle Stan

  • May 26, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Avengers? But isn't iron Man 2 struggling?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I could have sworn that I heard five days after its release that Iron Man 2 was "struggling" and "dropping like a rock." Actually, I don't have to swear. I know that some svengali noted the "epic fail" of Iron Man 2 on its FIFTH DAY of returns! It's absolutely not possible that this guy could be wrong - I mean, he was so right about Lost - so this news must be wrong.

  • May 26, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    luke cage should have a cameo

    by ORIONgods

    Boris Kodjoe for luke cage

  • May 26, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I always had a feeling....

    by BlackBriar

    he was putting on a front by denying the Hawkeye Rumors, Great actor, he'll do great

  • May 26, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I always had a feeling....

    by BlackBriar

    he was putting on a front by denying the Hawkeye Rumors, Great actor, he'll do great

  • May 26, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    The Ultimates that will never be...

    by blackflowerX

    If only the powers that be had gone for a more pure "Ultimate's" vibe , together with the domestic violence , double crossing , and suggestive incest, we might have ended up with some kind of intelligent adult film/s, instead of the "Let's try and please everyone and the kid's" direction. IMO Iron Man 2 was cheesy bollocks , they raped Black widows character , and Samuel Jackson looked old and fat...This will end up just an Avengers version of that utterly shit Wolverine film , oozing in moldy cheese and shit one liners....I think I officially hate Marvel now...

  • May 26, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 Did Great Business, But Is A Horrible Movie...

    by Media Messiah

    ...not "Superman Returns" kind of horrible, but "Iron Man 2" was overly loud, with explosions going off all the time, and non-stop action to the point of annoyance, but never stopped to tell a real heartfelt story; there were no real quiet moments to establish emotional connection with the characters, or the audience, just bang, bang, bang--action, and it got very sloppy...with all the effects, and flashy explosions--it became extremely gaudy. <BR><BR>The movie did huge business at the box office, thanks to all the opening-weekend hype, but I think Iron Man 2 may have successfully, and thoroughly, managed to undermine the whole franchise--in terms of the public walking-out of theaters with a bitter taste in their collective mouths, feeling that they did not get their money's worth, and that their time was wasted--and intelligence, insulted. As I said in my original post (see above), they had numerous A-list actors in this film, many considered to be some of the best of the last few generations, and yet, they were made to look like light-weight first timers? Don Cheadle looked, and acted, like an amatuer, Sam Rockwell was messy..., overly cheecky...and cheesy (anybody could have played that role), Samual Jackson was pedestrian...at best (and I am being all too kind), and Mickey Rourke was just absolutely wasted with that thick, and nearly unintelligible Russian accent. His character was one with no real plot to propel him, or his person, other than a thrown together revenge motive? Just sloppy, "We have a big budget, so let's throw everything at the wall...let it fall where it may", filmmaking. John Favreau is no visionary, he is just a clumsy hack.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Renner is The Man.

    by bobbyperusteeth

    He was in a lovely little rom-com called DAHMER. I'd heartily recommend it. Perfect date movie.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah...

    by kuldan

    Are you reading from some journalist's review who didn't actually see the movie? "Non-stop action to the point of annoyance..?" There actually was very little action compared to most comic book movies in order to focus more on the development of the characters and their relationships. Man, if "Iron Man 2" was annoyingly action-packed, then a movie like "The Losers" or "Ronin" must make your fucking balls explode out your brain.

  • May 27, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Ha Ha Haters!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    First it was: "RDJ as Stark? Booooo! Who wanna go see a second tier superhero?". Then: "Thor will never happen/will suck". Then: "Captain America will never happen/will suck". Then: "Avengers will never happen, too many characters, will suck, not enough characters". It's happening/won't suck! Ha Ha!

  • May 27, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    What did you hear?

    by MrCere

    <<we begin to hear that BLACK WIDOW and NICK FURY were going to have significant roles in AVENGERS... and now this?>> Did you hear this while sitting in your seat and watching "Iron Man 2" when the Black Widow and Nick Fury kept walking on the screen alluding to the Avengers movie? That is where I heard it.

  • May 27, 2010, 3 a.m. CST

    MrCere

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Are you talking to Harry? to everyone who posted before you in this talkback? Please learn how to postily post properly.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 did great business AND is a great movie!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Sod off, Media Messiah.

  • May 27, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Old School?

    by Grimcicle

    I've been under the impression for a couple years now that they were going the Ultimates route with the Avengers flick.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Batman: Revelations script.

    by mrbong

    i'm not keen on fan fiction, but admire anyone dedicated enough to write a consistent, coherent script or story. i'm not so sure they would take a "kitchen sink" approach to having all the characters in again, but i must say that definition of why The Penguin is called such is quality.

  • May 27, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Neil Patrick Harris as Hank Pym

    by RexGattling

    NPH as Hank Pym yeah make it happen

  • May 27, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Giant Man

    by Autodidact

    I really hope they include Giant Man.

  • May 27, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    INSPIRED casting! Renner is the BEST POSSIBLE CHOICE for Hawkey

    by EastBayFrankenstein

  • May 27, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Now lets get Marvel to cast GUY PEARCE as MR. FANTASTIC!

    by EastBayFrankenstein

    ...in the Fantastic Four reboot! There is NO BETTER actor to play the role. Having the right actor for Mr. Fantastic is VITAL to a successful FF movie. Reed Richards is the unheralded key component to what makes the comic work so well (along with the family-dynamic-thing). When Richards is miscast (see that Ian Grueffered...uh..erford...whatever!), ANY live action FF movie is doomed. GUY PEARCE!

  • May 27, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Iron MAn 2 was flawed, but

    by mojoman69

    It still had the action and the feel of an old Bond movie. With the hot cars and the location shoots(monte Carlo) I have to say Cheadle was kind of wasted as Rhodey.as was Whiplash

  • May 27, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    I want a scene with Scarlett in panties

    by I_shot_Cyrus

  • May 27, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    hey DCsmith

    by amitech25

    I read some of that script. you think it is real?

  • May 27, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Ya it can't be real

    by amitech25

    But still. Talk about dedication and quality not to mention continuance from TDK. I liked the ambush plot device and dude gave a decent enough reason for why catwomen and penguin are called what they're called. May not be real but a damn good read.

  • May 27, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Kuldan: My Views On Iron Man 2 Are Original...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and my own, I don't need to quote some journalists. <BR><BR>In regard to my comments, there isn't a ten minute moment where there is quiet, or thoughtful contemplation, in "Iron Man 2"...and no real cathartic moment. Tony Stark is arrogant, and largely...without reason, they never gave him a real opportunity to say, "Hey, this is my way of wearing emotional armor, so the world doesn't know that I'm dealing with a secret hurt here. I am a vulnerable guy, who really cares. The big ego, all that, its me yes, but it is also a cover for the security that I lack". Yes, they briefly, hinted at that, and even explored some of that ground, but it only took-up about 3 minutes of the movie--when the truth is, we needed 20 minutes to explore the real human side of Tony Stark, emotionally, and that of his relationship with his assistant. <BR><BR>In addition, we were not made to hate the villain(s). The best dramatic representations of villains I have ever seen before in movies or TV, etc., is when you are made to fear and hate those villains, and that did not happen in Iron Man 1, or 2? In "Star Wars" and "Empire", for instance, when Darth Vader hit the screen, you instantly knew, this is no guy to be messed with, and he was worthy of our heroes, because he was greater than them; thus, our heroes had to overcome a greater force, one who was a brilliant and dedicated strategist, with purpose, not just carved from some bogus revenge McGuffin, and he was no crazed loose anarchist. No, Vader was elegant, and explosive on a dime, when he needed to be, and he was rarely shown, adding to his mystery, and menace. We didn't need to know his personal hurts, just his agenda--one that was a highstakes threat to everyone in the world of Star Wars, and if you connected to our heroes emotionally, you came to live through them...vicariously, and their battle/war...became your own, and you could sympathize with their struggle, and root for it, as you could imagine, "What if that happened to my world, I'd like to think I would rise to the call to fight-back as a hero against such a great threat and oppression". The cold blooded murder of Luke's Aunt and Uncle informed us of that, and of course, Vader when he killed the Captain of the rebel transport just minutes before. Well, Iron Man 2 had none of that--there was nothing to engross the audience in the dramatic interplay of the heroes and villains, no rather, we were made to be just spectators. I have seen cartoons with more integrity, like the recently released DVD "Justice League: Crisis On Two Worlds"...watch it, and you will agree (although, I'll admit it had non-stop action, but at least they found time to tell an engrossing and smart story, and create villains whom you wanted to see get their comeuppance--as well as tell us an amazingly thoughtful, and blantantly sexual, love story--and this was a cartoon???!!!). While watching Iron Man 2, did you want to cheer, scream, or grab your seat? Did you ever feel, for one moment, that any of our heroes were really in danger? Did you laugh at moments meant to make you do just that, laugh, I mean, or gasp in wonder at some of the visual set-ups on screen? Were you made to feel sorry for the heroes, or want to come to their aid? Well, if not, then Iron Man 2 failed, as an entertainment.

  • May 28, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    One scene

    by Terrmaster

    Is from Ultimates #12, when Hawkeye shot Hulk with the "cure" arrow... Hulk leaps towards him. Clint SCREAMS. Banner is naked on top of him. Everyone laughs at Hawkeye. Would be a great scene for Renner and Norton. It's a perfect example of what Whedon is good with. He's gonna direct the SHIT out this.