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According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.
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Sounds like kind of a douche.
I'd have done that scene for a sandwich. And by that, I mean if they demanded I make a sandwich and bring it to set I would have done it! -
Neeerrrrddddsssss!!!
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How he kept that little hat from sliding off his head on Oz.
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This guy doesn't want to live in Hawaii? And wants 5 times the amount offered? Dude is a god damn fool!
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Money ruins everything
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he would have made the the whole religulous ending 100 times better
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It would have been awesome to see Eko again, but I dunno - didn't he fail the Smoke Monster test or whatever that was? Seems like not everyone was ready to "let go" just yet. The way I remember it Eko never really made himself pure again. Likewise with Ben Linus, but he seemed to be further along.
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It's a shame the actor wasn't into it, for whatever his reasons.
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it's understandable
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Oh, well. He disappointed many with his early exit from the series anyway.
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Whatever happened to his reasoning for leaving the series to "tell his life story" in a movie?
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Adebisi NEEDS TITS.
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The Lost finale failed because it didn't answer ANY questions the show had based itself around for the past 6 seasons. All we got was a conclusion to a self contained season 6 story arc. Seriously did anyone go into the finale hoping that all they got was a lame "everybody died but at different times" reveal? Now don't get me wrong I have no problem with them giving the characters a good send off but please tell us what the fuck the last 6 years was about and not just a story device from this year. No matter how touching the conclusion was it still betrayed everybody who has watched the show by skipping over other important stuff. Also I'm getting sick of people defending the ending by saying "we don't need to know about the island" seriously? So all we need to know is a bunch of fucked up people made friends with each other, learnt to deal with their shit and then died? No I think not.
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Shame, you could have had a spot in the end of the one of the most iconic shows in history.
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and he no longer wanted to live on the other side of the world away from his family.
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Eko, Walt, Michael, etc. weren't "important" enough to make his little shindig. No Puerto Rican allowed either. Rose got a pass because she married a white guy.
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side of the world for half a day's work?Think of it this way, Eko had already "moved on". He didn't need to "wait" for Jack.
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The Island was an Island, that was it.
The light at the center of the island was what was important as it held the secrets to life, death, etc.
And we learned that Hurley was the protector of the Light with Ben for many years. So tell me how nothing was resolved -
That is all.
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He was a bit of a fan favorite, and this would have been great for his publicity (seriously, what's he been in since this?).Seems like kind of a douche move. However, how little were they offering him? Still, any problems had with the finale were not because Mr. Eko wasn't in it, and while he was a rad character his presence, while cool, would not have had nearly the weight of some of the others. The absence of Walt, for instance, was much more noticeable.-Cheers
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Seriously, stupid @ss character... Who'd want to see his ugly face with all the good characters.
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I know have that Debbie Gibson song stuck in my head (although that montage was the funniest part of his show, so maybe that makes it ok).
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aren't funny. It's an epithet that gets thrown around WAY too much and I think falsely calling someone a racist is just as bad as being a racist. You're not funny...
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Han ol buddy do you read me?
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they answered the question of what the island was - it was originally a container for good (the light) and then evil (mr smoke monster). the light was a sort of the wellspring for souls. what you wanted the whole back story before time and why there were Gods and people that transcended time and space? one word: midichlorians.
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May 24, 2010 11:31:18 AM CDT
"The absence of Walt, for instance, was much more noticeable"
by big jim
True, but it's easy enough to explain away. For most everyone else, the island was very important to their lives, a pivotal point. For Walt, it was something that happened to him but not the defining moment of his life. For him, his "waiting room" would probably be filled with his friends and family from his years after he returned from the island. Maybe Michael finally gets to leave the island to join Walt's after-life get-together (or does he spend all eternity whispering in the jungle?).
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Who built the statue? Ancient people, same as every other old statue. Why four toes- it was a statue of a god. How did they travel through time- can't explain that since time travel is kinda impossible. The best you can do is say "unique properties" and have Dharma scientists argue over what that means. I'd rather that than have some star-trek-style mumbo jumbo about tachyons or whatever. The ONLY question I was unsatisfied with was the numbers. I wish after Hurley drank the water he smiled and said "Oh THAT'S what that numbers mean".
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is the numbers, I'm fine with the explanations, or lack thereof for most of the things that happened, but why were the numbers put on the hatch? why were they broadcast out into the open sea for years? I can understand that the broadcast couldve been a way to reach out to Hurley, but still, thats a stretch
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That's actually an interesting point. My only counter-argument would be that it was still a HUGE part of Michael & Walt's lives, it's where Walt's father died, and resulted in their sort of going into hiding once they got back from the Island.However, great point. It probably ended up meaning a bit more to Eko (and TAS Guy and his sister, the ones buried alive) since he/they died there, and Walt was able to move on and have a normal life. I'd still have rather seen Walt than Mr. Eko, but it's not like the show producers called me and asked or anything, and it's a little late now anyway unless you want to go about it all George Lucas style.-Cheers
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None of those questions mattered, ultimately. They died in the wreck and the island was the set to their spiritual drama. Stuff like the statue, the Dharma Initiative, the heart of the island, and probably even Jacob were all made up by their collective wills as they died & sought a way to move on to the afterlife.
The issue of the number was probably as simple as the fact that they WERE Hurley's winning lottery numbers. If we're dealing with a collective unconscious then the numbers being inserted into the story represented Hurley's lingering feeling that he his life was plagued by a long bad luck streak. That's part of the reason why, in the flash sideways, Hurley wanted his life to have been filled with only good luck, unlike his real life which was pretty mucked up. -
I'm wondering if the biggest problem with endings is not the writing but rather the logistics of getting all the actors on set at a certain time.
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They didn't die in the wreck, the one thing they did tell us in the finale was that the Island was real life, the flash sideways was the purgatory/afterlife.
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Seriously, he was on a commercial for Hot Pockets but it didn't air during the Finale.
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confusing as fuck with no real ending too?
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Sorry, don't buy that at all.
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We've been told time and time again that they had everything planned out. That would mean that nothing was revised due to salary disputes or cast members getting, I dunno, DUIs.
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that's about it. All of that other stuff - from the hatch to the smoke monster and so forth - was made up by their collective will.
It's like having a dream, in a way. Suppose that you dream that you're in your bedroom. You go to make love to your wife and she pulls off her face to reveal a robot and then she pulls a switch on the wall to reveal a secret passage. ... Your bedroom exists in real life. So does your wife. No taking away from that. However, the rest of the stuff is all made up.
These people, these lost souls, were looking for a way to move on. This whole island experience was a coping mechanism.
- Hurley's winning lottery numbers were inserted as the numbers of the hatch (and other places) because they represented the last event in Hurley's long streak of good luck gone bad.
- Jack was cast as the hero & new protector because his life before the island was empty and his job as a doctor would help him collectively unite/heal the other dead souls.
ETC & so forth
BOTH the island events AND the flash sideways stuff never took place, at least not in the real world. They were both decidedly different ways of examining the same exact issue. They were both aspects of the same purgatory.
The island purgatory was the place where they invented this conflict and set of struggles so that they could move on.
The flash sideways was a place that they collectively invented as a place for when they did indeed move on. This much was confirmed by Christian.
Just because there was this whole freaky shit going on on the island doesn't mean that any of it actually happened in the real world. The island, which did exist, only served as a backdrop.
I think that it is wrong for people to take this show so so literally. That's just not the point. This show may have just as well been entitled "Lost Souls" and it would have been just as fitting, albeit too revealing.
The show is about these people moving on. It isn't about them fighting with soldiers, evil smoke monsters, or anything like that. The show is about these people fighting with themselves. They're all, in a collective way, trying to reconcile their empty lives. They're trying to decide whether or not they deserve heaven, hell, or (in the case of Ben) a little more time in purgatory.
About the only events that we can trust to be real are the flashbacks, which revealed how flawed all of these people were before they died. Beyond that, I'm inclined to agree with Kimmel (adn others like him) who suggest that everything here was a giant test for everybody, tailored by themselves, and manifested spiritually by the collective wills of these lost souls in need. -
Christian's line intentionally negates this theory. Their lives and everything that occurred OTHER THAN the flash sideways was real. The flash sideways was the only thing that was an afterlife construct. Someplace comfortable and comforting to hide away before they accepted their former lives and deaths and moved on togehter.
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Where is everyone getting that they died in the crash? I thought it was made very clear that they most definitely did NOT die at that point, but later... some of them much later. It would be very difficult for the events on the island to be the most important events in their lives if they were already dead.
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was a decent explanation for the sideways universe. That and a decent send off for the characters were all I was hoping for. Unfortunately they came up seriously short on the former. Disappointing.
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Rabble rabble rabble
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the sideways universe was shit, it retroactively made the whole series feel kinda shit. Damn.
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Yes, the idea that they died at different times was made perfectly clear. I wish people weren't so confused by that, so that they don't sound clueless when they correctly say that finale sucked.
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May 24, 2010 12:27:43 PM CDT
It's fine to dislike a finale, just dislike it for true reasons
by santiagoanddunbar
Rabble rabble rabble
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I was looking forward to seeing him in the finale. Wasn't it reported that he wanted to be involved in the final season? Oh well. He was one of my favorite Lost characters. I guess he thought he deserved more $$$ since he was the 7th or 8th most important person in GI Joe and the Mummy...
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I was looking forward to seeing him in the finale. Wasn't it reported that he wanted to be involved in the final season? Oh well. He was one of my favorite Lost characters. I guess he thought he deserved more $$$ since he was the 7th or 8th most important person in GI Joe and the Mummy...
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May 24, 2010 12:29:25 PM CDT
The "plan" was Jack would open his eyes and close them at the en
by domi'sinnerchild
Seriously? That's the plan they've had from the start?
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Why wasn't Frank in any of the flash Sideways scenes this year? I get that there'd be issues bringing back some of the former cast members, but why was a current cast member like Chesty left out of the purgatory world? I'm betting he went back to the island and became the next immortal guy, like Richard.
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How people like Sawyer actually got off the island at the end, but still existed in the flash sideways "moving on" event? Unless that air escape end in yet another plane crash, the stuff on the island (including the escape) could never have happened.
If you say that they didn't die on the plan, but died sometime after... You're going to have a VERY rough time pinpointing that exact time and then reconciling everything that took place in-between.
The idea of seeing Jack die on the island was only inserted for the sake of literary symmetry. Lots of great stories end much in the same way they begin. Open with Jack's eyes. Close with Jack's eyes. It's a classic writer's trick.
Again, if you take all of this stuff too literally, your head might explode.
I also don't think that Christian did anything in the way of validating the events of the past 6 years. I only think that he validated his own existence in front of Jack and his that they were on this... journey and that this was the culmination of events.
Again, if you'd like to pinpoint where everybody ACTUALLY died.... by all means. Just remember that you're going to make it so that there are again more questions than answers.
The whole "it was a dream" type of answer makes it more possible to ignore plot holes since the REAL story was about more intangible stuff.
Anyway, I'm sure that the writers purposely left it in such a way that we'd argue this exact set of points. They more or less suggested as much in recent interviews. -
May 24, 2010 12:34:47 PM CDT
Rsanta, it was specifically said that they died at different tim
by santiagoanddunbar
Rabble Rabble Rabble
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Didn't they say that it was a place that they collectively created for when they were ready to move on together and Christian's funeral was the exact where of said event? Again, I'm thinking the flash sideways was a pocket of purgatory that they collectively created for their eventual end game.
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What kind of priest thinks John the Baptist took away Jesus' sins?
Lost had a lot of religious references but in the end had basically the same TV view of the afterlife as Ghost Whisperer: You "work out your issues" and then "move on." -
That was the whole point of that sentence. Some of them (Kate, Sawyer, etc) went on to live full, long lives. Eventually, at some point far in the future, they all died. At that point, they all were in the 'waiting room', looking for each other. They didn't all have to die within moments of each other to exist in this metaphysical 'waiting room' for each other. Just because they looked like they did on the island doesn't mean that's what they looked like/the age they were when they died.
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Mr. Ecko probably won't get the money to finish his church...
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don't care if i ever see him in anything ever again
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LOST = Most overrated tv show OF ALL TIME.
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Get out of my cuntry poons. Also; this just in, LOST sucks, and now there is proof. Go put a tampon in your frozen donkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously, what a fuck-tard. You made the right choice, right? Should be called "Mr. Ego".
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The god damned island story and all of it was real. They weren't fucking dead. God fucking dammit learn to comprehend. Their afterlife was the flash sideways and whatever happened after they "moved on".
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i'll take his side.
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Same concept. Even down to Jack having a son.The island was Eden (Milton's Paradise LOST), it had The Well of Souls aka The Fountain of Youth. The Man in Black and Jacob were Cain and Able.The Milton idea is carried along in the names of characters being the same as philosophers and scientists: Locke, Rousseau, Faraday, Hawking. If someone was named Einstein that would have been too obvious.The finale was a B+, the director messed up the church scene and to me it didn't have the impact it should have. The other stuff where people remembered was much more effective.-----later-----m
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im sure he was willing to make a lil money and be famous once again... or does he hate HA also?
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May 24, 2010 1:13:37 PM CDT
Madonna would get her tits out for a pound*, so
by themagicalhornofguntata
Adewale should have got his fuck on for the finale.
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He was an annoying character who didn't deserve to be in the finale.
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I liked how the flash-sideways being a shared consciousness type of purgatory totally ties in with the shot of the Island at the bottom of the ocean from the season premiere. Oh NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T!!!
Walt, cabin, Widmore, Time travel, specialness, the rules, egyptian stuff, dharma times, the button, and on and on and on etc. Lets not bother resolving any of that, instead all our characters can meet up, have flashback sequences intended to wrangle some tears out the audience and then walk through a door. The end. What total fucking bullshit
The spent a whole season, or I guess just half a season in episode time, explaining THE AFTERLIFE!!! When was that important on a show about a magic Island?! -
I am amazed by how many people on this talkback are confused by what happened on this show. Did you watch at all? Did you pay attention to what was on the screen? Christian and Jack have a scene towards the end that explains in bullet point form EXACTLY WHAT THE SIDEWAYS-VERSE WAS, HOW IT OPERATED, AND WHY THEY WERE THERE. Said scene was preceeded (two weeks ago)by a FULL HOUR of explaining the history of the island. Please go back and watch before you post here again.
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You should see he has a point. It's not that he hasn't been paying attention, the ending is a bit vague. I understand what Christian said. I understand that Hurley and Ben referenced protecting the island after everyone left. But the way the flash sideways played out was as if everyone was dead at the same time. I know that world did not have a "When?", but everyone was waking up in sequence that looked as if they were all dead at the same time. It was just a bit all over the place. And the final shot of wreckage lying still on the beach didn't help either A lot of what is being said on here are people making up assumptions for the writers. But if you base it on what was presented, it's inconsistent. I love "Lost". It frustrated me at times, but it was always a good show. But this season was all over the place and the pacing and episode sequencing was off. And with this ending, it almost makes Season 4 and 5 seem a little pointless. They should have started telling the Jacob-MIB story 2 seasons ago, so that way the build up would have been better.
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No, it was a full hour explaining that Jacob and his brother were baby napped by Allison Janey and just told they were special and had to protect a glowing grotto. It explained virtually nothing.How did she get there? Why did the smoke monster get released when MIB was thrown in? Why did he have to protect the source? What were the consequences? How did MIB know that the light would help him leave the island? How did Allison Janney kill a whole bunch of people? Did she have help? How does Jacob leave the island and MIB cant? How does the island move through time? What was the significance of the electromagnetic force on the island? How does drinking wine or water and chanting make you like Jacob? Again, I love the show to, but it's not above criticism.
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Cause I thought they purposely didnt want him in the finale (or the last season)... If it's a money issue, so be it...
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Where in one tries to refine their life.
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Those that don't understand... they didn't all die on the plane crash. The island experience was real. They all lived their natural lives and at the end met at the church in spirit. If you noticed people that weren't even on the plane were in the church. How? Because as Kate said to Jack as she left, will they ever meet again? Yes after they all died which was the church. Their special place.
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Oh, yeah like GIJoe was a major career move.fucker should be glad to have landed a role with more dignity as oppossed to playing the ass raping adelbesi from HBO's OZ.Back to the Soup kitchens with ye.
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Got tired of loading that other beast. Oh, and what a dick.
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is because shitfaces Darlton and the characters speak coyly in innuendo, code, hints, allegory, metaphor etc, never straight forward. So when they end up speaking straightforward in this season, they confuse the audience.
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The BIG FINAL revolved around a purgatory device introduced in season 6. Nothing but yet another "creative flashback" gimmick that drove the entire last series. A gimmick that basically had nothing to do with all the storylines that made the original show so captivating. So not only did the BIG FINALE take a giant shit on the whole candidacy device and turn that into a complete waste of time, the BIG FINALE also shits on the entire previous 5 seasons going with a "they're all dead and in purgatory" storyline? It'd be like watching a movie about basketball that turns into a chess match between two different people near then end and finally the big twist in the end is it was all just a dream. The character arcs you followed for the whole movie meant nothing, the end of the movie providing no closure to the story you just sat through... The producers of Lost should be ridiculed until the end of fucking time...
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Way to go, moron.
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Fuck him.
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He had a chance to be part of something, and he was a prick about it. So fuck him.
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Causing people to get hilariously angry at fictional stories since 2004.
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WHY ARE THOSE 2 EPISODES MISSING FROM TICK SEASON ONE AND SEASON TWO
Mole Men is missing.
and ALONE TOGETHER, the Galactus Episode! is missing.WTF, Herc! I asked you to check into this with the Venture Bros. guys, as it's McCulloh's episodes. -
the guy knew the show was tanking, and didn't see the point in making a contrived 1-second cameo for a pittance. so he priced himself out.
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guess it wasn't the mega-event it was cracked up to be. hope everyone enjoyed the hour-and-a-half worth of target commercials, though. best show ever!
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One word: Midi-fuckin-chlorians
I guess those of you who were confused by the finale must have loved Phantom Menace because it explained it biological fucking detail how the Force worked. That must have really tied the whole Star Wars series together for you. Your mouth-breathing Appalachian intellect is only overshadowed by your inability to suspend disbelief.
Why were they on the island? Jacob brought them there because they were flawed characters who needed a shot at redemption.
What was the island? A fucking island. The "unique property" of the island was the important part.
What exactly was the "unique property" of the island? We can all ruminate and hypothesize, but at the end of the day, deep down, we really don't want a specific answer (see midichlorians).
What happened on the island was real - see Christian's explanation.
Because of the "unique properties" of the island and the signficant of what happened there, each character was stuck in "purgatory". Desmond -being the only one who was able to travel between both worlds because of his unique properties - then guided each character to the church so that they could move on. Each character in the church was dead. Some died on the island. Some died much later - Kate ("I missed you so much Jack" - which implies that they were seperated for a long time), Hurley, Ben etc. Some weren't ready to move on - Ana Lucia and even Ben.
How is this SO freakin' hard to grasp? Questioning where they were moving on to or how long were they seperated are certainly legit questions - which will never have answers.
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The yellow light was a manifestation of the confluence of different energies of the island (energies that the dharma initiative were trying to harness). There are some interesting mysteries like who built the basin with the lodestone/plug which brought all that power to stop the malignancy that was underneath. Although I don't need to know who established the Jedi order to enjoy Star Wars, it's an interesting thing to think about. Ultimately though all that power would kill anyone that was not in some sort of altered state (aka Desmond, Jacob, Jack). You literally had to be changed by the island before you could survive the forces there (or more correctly changed by that energy). Which is why when the man in black fell there he was consumed, he had not been changed yet (even though he was a candidate), and his consciousness was violently imprinted upon the energy of the island that was keeping the darkness at bay. That's why Jacob said that if the MIB ever left the island the world would be filled with darkness, not because the MIB was the darkness, but because he had become the energy which was holding the darkness back. The MIB was chained to the island by the energy, he would always be anchored as long as the lodestone was in place and the energy concentrated as a cork above the darkness. To escape he had to destroy it, but to destroy it he had to get rid of his brother who protected it and any candidates. He thought he found a loophole in Desmond, and he did. What he did not count on was that once the plug was removed, he would become mortal because the energy of the island was no longer focused. He could now die.
What exactly does the darkness represent? The malignancy, hell, whatever, what is it really? I don't know, and I think that's a bigger question then what the island is. We already have an idea what the island is. It's a structure that harnesses energy (electromagnetic and other) to prevent what's below it from consuming the world. But what exactly is below it? -
There are copyright issues with the two episodes you mentioned so they were not included. Not sure what the problem is exactly but that's what it's related to.
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The finale & exegesis of LOST suck balls, so here's my rewrite:
The Island isn't the nexus of life or Eden, it's a mysterious anomaly with unique & powerful spatial, temporal, & energetic properties.
These 2 immortals/ancient ones/interdimensional beings/aliens, Jacob & MIB, reside on the Island, seemingly trapped in an endless battle of wits, using mortal humans as pawns. This battle started with the earliest civilizations, & continues today.
The mysterious energies within the Island emit at intervals that correspond to the Numbers; the Numbers subconsciously influence people around the world, especially in places that exhibit particular magnetic properties.
Dharma is the first iteration of the pawns to effectively settle the island & manipulate its properties while resisting the influence & wrath of Jacob & MIB. Their experiments on the Island's energies are ultimately the source of the universal threat.
Our heroic 815ers & their associates are part of the final iteration of the game. Ultimately, they sacrifice, they persevere, & the Island is effectively erased from existence after The Incident in 1977. As a result, the game ends, the alt reality sets in (i.e. Jack has a son, Faraday is a pianist, Juliet meets Det. Ford, etc.), & the island sits, forgotten, at the bottom of the ocean. L O S T -
He only wanted to be on it for a few episodes, but he became too popular and they wanted him to stay. He asked to be killed off early in Season 3.
So, I can understand why he'd did it. Kinda like telling a boss from a former job you hated, "Yeah, right. I'll come back for a million bucks!" You know you're not going to get that, so you know you won't have to come back.
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Is a fucking jerkoff. This is why he left the show. What else does he have but Lost and who does he think he is to demand more money?
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I still call bullshit on the people equating Lucas's Midichlorian explanation with people wanting answers from "Lost". Lucas gave an answer to a question nobody was asking... "Where does the Force come from?" was never brought up in any of the movies. It was never an issue. Lost constantly brought up questions and then never answered them. Lost was a locked room murder mystery where the last chapter was the detective being reunited with his long lost daughter instead of revealing who the killer was, why he killed and how he did it fits the evidence.And mock Star Trek's technobabble all you like, but at least there they bullshitted you on the "how", but gave you straight up answers on the "why" of a situation. Who gives a shit about how the crazy stuff happens on the island... most of the angry fans just wanted to know the answers to *why* it happened.
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i wouldnt go back to sears for one day for a lil commision
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Is a compliment or an insult?
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but every episode seemed to be about him and NOT Jack or Locke. That's why Season 2 wavers around.
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The meaning of the numbers were already explained in another show. They are the FTL coordiantes to our Earth. So say we all.
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The light was the power source.
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V'Shael, how much did they offer him? It's described as a "hearty sum" but that's a rather subjective term. Isn't he working on The Thing right now? Maybe his schedule and theirs didn't work and the only way he could do it was spend his day off travelling to and from Hawaii just so he could shoot one scene, only to have to be back at work the next day. And all for what - would he get a scene like Rose & Bernard, or a quick line like Boone, or maybe just hanging out in the church hugging everyone? Besides, he may have missed the finale but he'll always be "a part of something" (the series). He got a whole season and then some. Did you really miss him? Maybe he didn't think he needed to be shoe-horned into the episode and thought if they really wanted him, really thought having Eko back was integral to the episode, they would pay 5 times what they offered. They didn't, so obviously he wasn't. Maybe that's greed, or maybe it's just an indicator to gauge how important his involvement was to them and whether it would be worth his time.
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...the smartest former cast member of the lot.
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Somewhere somehow, someone is hoarding a script with another ending. An ending the execs didn't want, didn't buy and so on. They must have had a couple of endings and then someone said. Let's chose this one. This will be a big controversy.
People will kick each other in the faces to explain or to displain everything. There must have been people saying, well uhm this isn't Touched by an Angel. Faces turn to the upstart and as we hear a ticking sound and zoom in to a watch the guy gets pulled away.
They will save this for the super dupper special edition criterion omg edition of season 6.
Well they lost a consumer (maybe that is a cool documentary title, the day Lost Lost).
But yeah who am I kidding. I was really eager to watch it and to buy a total boxset or something. But now I won't. Of course some dig this ending about faith and heaven and so on.
A lot of people say the people thought up everything, but I think that the average person in a plane would not think of an Egyptian goddess. At least that is my opinion.
Ah well, what can I say. I loved the series and I hated where it was going, with all the questions every half looking answer. I do not know what I was looking for, but there are no answers and as the mother explained to the audience: "my answers will just lead to new questions" translated: Dear fan: we regret to inform you that we need an ending that is multi versatile that will be a topic of discussion for ever.
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...will he finally be able to drop that excess weight? Or, since he's now basically immortal, is he stuck for decade after decade in an unchanging fat form?
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the numbers, Widmore's motivation, the rules, the cabin, how Hurley started seeing dead people, the "war" that we've been told has been coming for 3 years, the egyptian mythology, how the Island protector leaves the Island to recruit people, the time travel, Walt and his powers, taller Walt, Christian's off-Island appearances, why some people disappeared off Ajira 316, the sky turning purple, Ben's relationship to Jacob, *what* the Smoke monster was (they've been promising to answer that since the beginning), "you're not supposed to raise him Jack/Claire", Kate's weird phone call, Eliose Hawking's knowledge, why the monster kills some, scans others and leaves others alone but most of all I'm glad they explained why all the characters seemed to be connected BEFORE they came to the Island. Jack and Claire, Sawyer and Locke, Jack's wife and Shannon's dad, Sayid and Kevin Inman. All those little coincidences that seemed to connect these random collection of strangers on a single flight to LA from Australia really paid off in that finale didn't they?
As for the light and the cave and the magic plug, well...I'm not too concerned they didn't explain that.
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Retired player numbers for the New York Yankee's displayed at Yankee Stadium (Except Jackie Robinsons 42 which is on display there as it is in all stadiums) Just sayin.
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Because they were not real, neither where Jacob nor MIB.
All figments of the collective subconsciousness from the people on the plane.
Each one colored the story with their particular problems, interests, life experiences, desires, and fears.
And that soup became the Island, the "magic box" that made it all everyones "reality".
That is what Christian and Jack are talking about at the end.
Christian is telling Jack how even though he just realized that he didnt have a son, that the events of this life and the past life were not "real" in the ascetic carnal way... they actually were real because he experienced them in his mind.
And who is to say that what you experience in your mind is any less real than what you experience with your flesh.
His point is that this experience on this metaphysical island (the island has always been a symbol on this show), is even more real than the "real" life he had before.
You guys who think that "its all been clearly spelled out to us in bullet point fashion"... are taking the work of creators inspired by Stephen King, Patrick McGoohan, and Alan Moore at face value.
These writers are all about symbolism, metaphor, and allegory.
You guys want to take the show and its ending at its most basic, spoon fed, face value, literal level.
And thats where you fail. -
..."It's about people moving on..." Yeah, maybe this season, but that sure wasn't the case in any of the previous seasons. Also, Christian said they all died at different times, "some before, some long after". So much for the "Island is another aspect of purgatory" theory. Of course, granted, that would have worked out a little better in a narrative sense, albeit it would have been pretty cliched, but the finale didn't even have a good cliche going for it. It was just a total failure on every level, as was much of Season 6. Personally, I'm going to pretend that Season 6 never happened, just as I pretend there were never any Star Wars prequels or Matrix sequels.
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Walk around in a make-belief world until you remember your former life and move on? They seemed very impressed with themselves on Kimmel after the show about creating that this season.
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he could have been a fun addition to this last season or finale.
Rumor was he was a pain anyway. -
...in Gnosticism all of creation is basically a make-believe world but I think anything on Lost was just shit overpaid cokeheads made up.
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Is that everybody on this show has been bullshiting us since the beginning, so why should we believe a drunk who died in an alley. Besides, what about all the other characters in the sideways world? Were they hired from central casting. Do they just go home? Is Kearney dead dead?
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I'm going to pretend that this was all to do with reincarnation somehow. I don't even believe in reincarnation, but I read this book where this woman was going on about how the people in your life will be the same people in all of your lives (well, their essence anyway), but in different variations. Like your brother will be your boss, and your daughter will be your mother, etc. So all the "coincidences" of their connections before the island are just a part of that. They were supposed to be together in time, and that's why they were together in death to "move on" to (possibly) their next life (or what the hell ever). This probably never occurred to the writers, but it all hangs together just fine in my mind. As for the weirdo island, I'll just quote Letterman, "Something ain't right with that island" and leave it at that. I liked the finale, and I don't care about the egyptian crap on the island or whatever else you people have problems with. Who cares? You'll never get your answers, because the writers never had them. It's your own fault for expecting them. It's a TV show, just enjoy it, or stop watching before you go crazy (too late for a lot of you clearly).
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So it wasnt a giant spacecraft from the future...damn Sooo they went for the Ashes to Ashes series finale ending (sorry spoiler)weird...1 week 2 shows end the same wayish. How many wished it was a giant spacecraft from the future :D
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Lost ended like Deep Space Nine and TNG did.
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But at least they didn't kill Sisco.
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I watched Life on Mars, but just couldn't get into Ashes to Ashes. Just didn't work for me. I stopped watching after the 3rd episode.
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Which I had watched a lot in the first several seasons. Or DS9, which I watched a little. In fact, I've rarely seen a season finale. I watched the season finale of MASH, back in the day. Now LOST.I stopped watching X-Files before the season finale, too.
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The Lost wormhole!
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It would've been pretty awesome to see Eko one more time.
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My problem with LOST was it was two different shows. Season 1-3 is a sci-fi/supernatural tale, while 4-6 is a religious tale. I think they totally betrayed the characters of Jack and Locke. The whole idea should have been Locke trying to keep them on the Island (i.e. like blowing up the sub) and Jack trying to get off the Island. It never shuld have been Jack handing the mantle to Hugo - that should have been Locke. I love the show and thought the ending was decent, but there was some things that just fundamentally changed after the freighter blew up.
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to go along with Lost. They really nuked the coffin... or something. I'm just glad I didn't watch the show for 6 years. Seems like it was Fantasy Island meets Passengers.
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it would have been retarded. I love the character but the guy was a badass and didn't belong there. It would have been cool if he was sitting outside the church like Ben and spoke to Locke though.
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they DID end similar. And in the same week, fucking weird shit. BSG was better than both. I felt this ending was even more of a 'characters over story' copout, but at the end I didn't really give a shit about the mystery of the island. I was just happy that Boss Locke got the last line of the series and Ben apologized.
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Didn't you guys see the very end after the credits of Walt playing PS3?
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And Christian turned on all the lamps!
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They must tell us. They must. Protection under parody and all that blah blah blah.
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If you think aboot it, that works. Man, Kate is SO CANADIAN it hurts.
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These Lost writers were full of shit from the get go. They are guilty of everything leveled against them: they were making it all up as they went along. There was no plan.
Now, a significant number of intelligent people were able to suss this out at the end of Season 1 and rightfully stopped watching. What's amazing is the rest of the crazy cult members that kept the faith all the way to the bitter end, hoping to see that promise fulfilled--only to have the sucker rug yanked out from under them.
There was no plan. The writers were making shit up as they went along. They never had any idea how it was going to end--indeed, they fucking panicked and scrambled to juryrig an ending onto this baggy monster of a series and wound up utilizing the most cliched of all freshmen creative writing class O'Henry endings: it was all just a dream (something I called months if not years ago!).
Terrible, turgid, preposterous, pretentious show that made suckers out of hundreds of thousands of viewers who now have to smile as they eat this shit--because they have bought into the lie that it's a great show and can't go back now because they fear they will be made even more foolish.
It's a wonderful little psychological experiment, when you come right down to it: How do you get ostensibly intelligent people to cast aside all cognitive sense and fervently defend something that is fundamentally indefensible shit? -
I am lurking watching that site, refreshing on occasion, waiting for her to update with some sort of left-field explanation making up some sort of weird-ass rationale to defend her theory.
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Seasons 1-5 and half of 6 wasn't a dream; that all happened in "Reality". What was a "dream" or "purgatory" was the alternate time-line shown to us in season 6.
Not that I'm defending the show, I just want to make sure you have your facts straight before you spew more oral diarrhea. -
we didn't see Frogurt in the church either? I was really hoping to get his backstory before the end of the series. I bet it was facinating, with all of his Libby-lusting and whatnot.
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how about "jumped the punch"
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now all the flashbacks finally make sense. it's always been about people reconciling their lives after they died. coming to terms. dealing with regrets.
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That would seem a lot more appropriate wouldn't it?
The Lost finale Blew the Hatch. -
THAT's what the Whispers are!
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they found a formula, and they stretched it out as long as they could.and it isn't what the ending was, it's what it wasn't. the finale wrapped up what, in a general sense, was going on. but it didn't address even a healthy fraction of all of the nonsense that's being going on for 6 years. this was truly just a finale for season 6, and that's it. do you people even REMEMBER all of the shit that was going on in previous seasons? that is all rendered COMPLETELY pointless right now. truly, totally meaningless. smoke monsters, numbers, hatches, others, yada yada yada...
and if you have been watching for 6 years, and you DON'T feel duped, well...I guess you're a very forgiving person.
this show was just a 6 year crack binge for millions of people. they just kept coming back, and coming back, well beyond the point where it gave them the sense of enjoyment that it had in the beginning. but you couldn't stop, could you? it was just so exciting! what's going to happen next? but, what does it all mean? who cares! new episode next week! I need my fix!
now, you have a pseudo-copout ending, and hundreds of questions left unanswered, and definitive proof that the writers and creators were NOT dropping you cute little clues the whole time that would add up to some big reveal, they did NOT have everything all planned out, they did NOT intend for everything to tie in together. and how is that not a disappointment?
the sideways world is an afterlife/beforelife, alternative whatever, yada yada yada...fine. but that could have been one season. maybe 2 seasons. hell, a long movie could have done it. certainly a miniseries. but that's not as financially viable, is it? what could make more money, sell more DVD's, hook more doofus viewers in, than 6 years of crack binging?!?! yay!!!
this whole things was a calculated, manipulative cash grab. and everyone bought in, hook, line, and sinker.
god, where is The West Wing when you need it? -
Perhaps Eko wasn't in the church because he's stuck on the Island whispering with Michael? No evidence to support this idea, but y'know, maybe?
Or, maybe he wasn't in the church because he wasn't important to Jack's experience on the island (like Artz, Frogurt, and that dude from Short Circuit, Mr. Friendly, etc)? Or perhaps he went straight to "heaven" (or what have you) because his quest (trial?) was so self contained and so not Island influenced? Just some options to mull over. -
The Hurley/Ben spin-off can be called "Everybody Loves Hugo."
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTT. Someone had to say it, because the writer's forgot to put him in the last episode.........
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The final was great, but we didn't learn a damn tning about that Smoke Monster. Shit.
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Never knew he was such a douche. Stupid fuck.
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"Lost: The XXX Parody"...
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Done.
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There's your whole explanation right there.
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fuck that guy.
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That L O S T finale really, "drank the mud."
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the finale & series's endgame was so awful that if I was an actor on this show that I would not want to be a part of it. Sorry but Cuse & Lindelof know how to start a series but do not know how to end one. They should have handed it off to another writing team; the ending was a D+ and that's being generous.
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...Uncorked the piss light. If we are to take it that the weirdness of the island actually happened, it would have been nice if they had attempted to explain it's weirdness a little more. They could have had someone like Jacob speculate on it couched as legends that came down from original inhabitants. Give an answer that reaches towards religion and one that reaches towards natural phenomena. I'm not saying make everything concrete but a little more specificity would have been satisfying.
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forget about waaaaaaaalt. dude hit puberty, period. end of story. a teenaged actor who exploded in size was simply not going to work on a show like this.get over it already.
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it took a lot of begging and $$ for Shannon to return...she too felt she was bigger then LOST now and only agreed to return because everyone was getting on her case about it...she did not to come back either...that being said Shannon had like 1 line of dialogue in the finale and the only other scene she appeared in was the church one...no point bringing her back for that...Adewale probably read the script and probably thought the same thing
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**she did not want to come back either
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I think that if Darlton had answered every single minsicule question about the island, the smoke monster, the whispers, Waly et al, you lot would still have your fingers up your arses complaining. There really is no pleasing some people.
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not Waly. Fucking bastard typos.
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So he had to go. They let him keep his pride and claim it was his decision.
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Totally agree. Sorry to find out Eko is such a dick
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Why?
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for all we know, but these were private negotiations that none of us were privy to, so to try him in public is pointless.Never mind that the producer's side is being presented by a network which deals mostly in celebrity gossip, reality shows with convicted criminals and other nobodies, and no journalistic credentials when it comes to "reviewing" shows or breaking other "news" or gossip.Maintain a little perspective, people.
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A high-profile gig with very cool "cameo" appeal...and he nickels and dimes over it. The exposure itself would have been well-worth it enough. Stupid, stupid choice. If this was at his agent's suggestion, that agent should be fired.
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Here's some guy who has committed terrible crimes, but once he's on the island he gets this attitude that he's holier than everyone else, just because he stole his brother's Bible.
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Either way we've seen this kind of open ended shit before... Colour me underwhelmed...
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How about "Punched the Shark"
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"Punched the Dharma Shark"
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He wanted wimmens.
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I am finding some folks confusion/frustration with the LOST ending rather entertaining. Some people are so fucking dense. And for the record... isn't it kind of nice that a lot of the mythology questions went unanswered? It gives us something to talk about not to mention the possibility of a movie. My preconceptions died when "Mother" smashed a woman's head in immediately after helping her give birth. Talk about a grey area. That's sort of the point, it isn't lazy writing, its just sort of interesting.
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in a bid to blame the unravelling of the entire series on MR EKO quitting when they had 'planned' for him to be in it for 4 seasons. YEAH RIGHT. do they think we're fucking stupid? oh wait...
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he's fast gaining a reputation for being difficult.
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Look of suprise on writers faces when told it was last episode...OMG cant use a dream been used, cant use Big Spaceship from future to much money for FX(Motels for stars too expensive as it is)cant use magic fairy dust no one would watch it, i know lets use dreams but dead peoples dreams so to speak :)
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then kill him later on?
I thought that MIB was going to represent old testement style wrath of god and judgement and Jacob some more hands free Jesus figure representing a more hands off new testament philosophy.
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I said this in the other talkback but... a loop-hole-type time travel explanation would have worked. "The Rules" were first introduced in Season 4 when Ben visited Widmoore in his bedroom. They talked about their daughters and Ben said that Widmoore broke "The Rules." Then Faraday began bringing up the rules of time travel again and again. I always thought they were going to meld the two. Instead of something cool... it turned out to just be some "gentlemen's rules of conduct." Even The Numbers could have been explained by this, having to do with the Universe attempting to fix itself after someone messed with the past (or had precognitions and altered history).
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Yet a lot of the people on Lost sad that AAA was very hard to work with.
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In his defense, it's been said that Adewale wanted off the show because he wanted to play a more "spiritual character" (he's Buddist). Lindelof and Cuse promsied to explore that, but immediately tried to "recreate" his Oz character. He waited it out in hopes it would just be in flashback....but his character didn't move in the direction he wanted -- rewatch Eko character goes nowhere once he starts building the "church". Then Adewale's REAL parents died and he use that to get out of his contract. Don't know why he would turn down the work, but apparently he didn't get along too well with the cast either, so maybe no amount of money would have been enough. Seems to me like he didn't like working on Lost and was happy to get away.
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The entire plot and multiple episodes dedicated to the tail section of the plane wasn't a total waste. How else would Bernard get there? (Worth it.)
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Of course, Harry and Company will let everyone know in a couple of weeks.
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I was with them until the last 10 minutes, when I was expecting Desmond to do something SUPER FUCKING COOL and realign the two parallel universes.
But no.
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