May 20, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST
Come on cut me some slack.. I've been here years, and never even moved the trigger finger....
May 20, 2010, 7 a.m. CST
May 20, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST
Embarrassing to declare shows with a 2.2 'failures' when your favorite is turning in a steady ZERO.point.fraction?
May 20, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST
over here in the UK. Why couldnt they just have made a super-duper mini series rather than have boring people doing boring things just to pad out a pointless plot. Such a pity.
May 20, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST
If that was the case, Dollhouse would still be on the air.
May 20, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST
May 20, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST
Nude Morena Baccarin
May 20, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST
by I Max U Mini
... represent a slide? So Whedon stopped a slide? According to the graph you produced, the Whedon episode was simply continuing a trend started 3 weeks earlier.
May 20, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST
in 20 years. they would have the crash survivors call eash other the "Losts". And people who watched the original Lost 20 years earlier will roll there eyes.<br> "The V's" get the fuck outta here!!!
May 20, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST
Sounds like a good show. What's it about ?
May 20, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST
by Pizza The Hut
...really turns me off.
May 20, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
1. Stop calling them "Vs" in the script. They're THE VISITORS, dammit! <p>2. Step up the Visitors' occuptation with increased troop presence so that the general populace actually fears them. Otherwise, the Resistance comes off like douchebags that are fighting for people that don't want to be freed.</p> <p>3. At least double the amount of Resistance fighters. Four people (one a priest, no less) isn't much of a movement unless you expect the Fifth Column to do all the work for you.</p> <p.>4. More scenes of Laura Vandevoort in her underwear. In fact, that should be her new Visitor uniform from now on.</p>
May 20, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST
apologize? And just who the hell made up all these words! <br /><br /><br />pfffffft. I apologigi. It is a better word that I give ya. <br /><br /><br />Ya know it to be true.
May 20, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST
Definitely felt like Joss.
May 20, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST
The season finalie of V was AMAZING! If you didn't like at least this one episode then something is wrong with your head. I can't wait to see the Earth Vs V fight it looks like they are heading to. I mean hell they made the skies red all over the world, people should be feeling fear now.
May 20, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST
They have to call the visitors the "V's" otherwise the fans of this clearly superior and thought provoking remake will get all confused and forget what their watching and piss there pants in panic.
May 20, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST
NPH (thanks to How I Met Your Mother) is the cause. Honestly NO ONE other than geeks care about Joss Whedon, but geeks DON'T WATCH GLEE
May 20, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST
Agreed. The season finale was excellent. I wish the whole season was as well written as that episode.
May 20, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
I think the makers of Cougar Town and Modern Family would disagree.
May 20, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST
that's THE funniest thing I've read: "I mean hell they made the skies red all over the world, people should be feeling fear now." ohhh, LOOK, the sky! it's all sorts of pretty sunset colours!!! OMG, a colourful sunset sky! EEEEKKKK!!! run! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! hahahahaha! I'm terrified for sure!
May 20, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
any geeks who would tune in for Whedon was busy watching Lost. Glee's boost was NPH.
May 20, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST
Characters don't exist in V. The "characters" on the show have no personalities or motivations. Try to define any of the characters on the show without making reference to their role in the plot. Not very easy, is it? They're simply cardboard cutouts who react in exactly the way the plot dictates, and nothing more. <BR><BR>Incidentally, anyone remember the scene from the final season of The Wire where McNulty and Kima Greggs go to speak with the FBI Profilers? That was a perfect analysis of McNulty's character without actually discussing his role in the plot on the show. In competently written fiction you should be able to do that with any of the main characters. And a description like that of any of the characters on V is simply not possible.
May 20, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST
...and will now tune out again until he returns. Such a cheesy show.
May 20, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST
<p>The show is a little clunky at times, and needs to work out some serious plot problems. But I still mostly enjoy it.</p> <p>With "Lost" and "24" gone, it and "Survivor" will be the only dramas I watch next season.</p> <p>"Glee," meanwhile, is such a mess since returning that I now deny having ever liked the show.</p>
May 20, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST
Seriously, It was clear that Neil Patrick Harris was the real reason for the ratings increase for Glee. I love Joss Whedon, but all the promos hyped NPH, not Whedon.
May 20, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST
They look to be heading in the direction they should have gone originally. A real resistance (not just three 5th Column members with random 5th Column members introduced just to be killed off before the end of the episode). The Vistors' intentions may be revealed at least a bit and may be a feel of a real global threat rather than it looks like their only intention is to rid themselves of the 5th Column. <br><br> It sucks that it took a whole season to get to this point and there is no guarantee that they will follow through with the promises of the finale. But it could mean good things for season two..... That is if anyone cares by then.
May 20, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST
Yeah, the finale was pretty strong and the show definitely improved once the resistance recruited someone willing to actually act and make morally complex decisions. I am disappointed though that the finale established Chad as a fool when I was under the impression that he was being savvy by playing both sides to ultimately betray the V's. As for the character complaint, it's an action show, not a character drama. Like most action shows, characters are painted with a broad brush. And given that there's only been, what, 13 episodes or less, there's no reason to expect the characters on a action show to be fully developed yet.
May 20, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST
arent even higher. maybe its just in my geek world that it feels like every single person on the planet has been watching lately.
May 20, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST
kingralphuk: Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head.
May 20, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST
I can't watch a TV show for an entire year while waiting to give a sh*t about the characters. Sorry, I just can't. If you don't care about the characters, you don't care what happens to them, and if you don't care what happens to the characters, you don't care about the plot. So then all you care about is things blowing up... which doesn't even happen that often.
May 20, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST
Except Justified (to name an example from THIS SEASON) has had fewer episodes and has done more with them. In fact, I'd say that Raylan was more fleshed-out as a character after the first episode than V's characters are after twelve episodes. At this point on Justified, there are half a dozen characters that each have more character development than the entire cast of V combined.
May 20, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST
please watch good wife. It is the leanest show on network tv. No fat, filler, padding, theatrics, laziness, or garbage at all. SO RECOMMENDED.
May 20, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST
Love it. It doesn't have any pretense about what it is. It *knows* what it is and revels in it. The casting is spot on, with Mitchell and Baccarin carrying the heavy lifting as they should. Some might criticize the special effects, which are Sanctuary-level at best, but not me as it tends to be more character and story-driven. Thats a plus, because for this type of show to succeed, it needs to be done relatively cheap with a fairly modest budget to get past the bean-counters. Its also the reason that this is getting renewed, while Flashforward isn't.
May 20, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST
They brought back cheesy prosthesis effects with that soldier eating the deer. That looked just as "fake in a good way" as Jane Badler eating the gerbil in the original.
May 20, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST
Morena Barracin's ass, Elizabeth what's her faces boobs, Supergirl in her underwear, Anna's Starscream dude who looks like a cross between Rain Wilson and Steven Colbert being possible 5th column. They brought back the action and finally upped the stakes. Now let's see an episode where all the Visitors we know are in full Lizard make up the whole time. They've had the capability to do 10 times better make up than the original since STNG and that was over 20 years ago too.
May 20, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST
And if we do, they will probably be Enterprise Xindi arc level CG... really bad. Oh, and WHY THE FUCK DON'T THE V'S SEEM TO HAVE SURVEILLANCE ON THEIR OWN SHIPS!?
May 20, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST
I fucked up; I obviously meant freshman hourlong.
May 20, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST
Yep, another stupid concession that makes no sense in the logic of the show done entirely in service to the plot. They have the patches on the uniform that allow them perfect surveillance of everything off the ship, yet they have absolutely zero surveillance on-board such that traitors feel free to conspire in any random hall and even in the medical bay? Brilliant.
May 20, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST
Morena Baccarin's willingness to go all in and do some awesome scene-chewing. That scream of hers in the finale where she went over the top in the showing of emotion, the 'Break Her Legs' moment, the absolutely comical point where she bared her teeth as a flash shock ending earlier in the season. They aren't shy about going the full monty with her and its to her credit that the more they throw at her that could really produce Jump The Shark moments, the more she pulls them off. In doing so, it tends to really pull off the alienness of the character.
May 20, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST
How can aliens show 'human' emotion? My pet theory is that at some point in the far past, the two races.. lizard and human merged (like we're seeing now with the V/human baby). This led to the development of emotions(they were originally just cold-blood) and is the basis of the creation of The Fifth Column. Those who hew to the ancient ways of no emotion are representative of Anna and her people, while those who embrace their 'humanness', seek to become the new guard.
May 20, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST
Yeah, the ratings suck, but it's behind one of ABC's most watched shows. I think V's ratings should go up next year.
May 20, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST
They better get to it, since renewal is unlikely. No way in hell they're going to pump that much money into a show to only pull low 2s.
May 20, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST
And I'll paraphrase it to save you the scroll up: Three words to improve V: Nude Morena Baccarin.
May 20, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
no one tuned in because he was directing.
May 20, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST
... that characters hold back on important details for no apparent reason. In the finale when Chad talks to the V dude in medical the V tells him look in the secret room. He fails to mention the obvious reason WHY the V's are doing what they are doing, cause they want to take over the earth and there is an armada of ships waiting to kick the earths's ass!
May 20, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST
for those Canadian AICNers. Beastmaster FTW!
May 20, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST
Sequences involving models striking poses while mouthing inane lines are strung together and called a story.
May 20, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST
No? neither did I and really who cares?
May 20, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST
That fix is extended dyke scenes between the space hooker lizard queen, the juggy MILF FBI agent and the the daughter who looks like she belongs in a wax museum.
May 20, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST
May 20, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST
not that there anything wrong with....
May 20, 2010, 6 p.m. CST
May 20, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
The priests "call to battle" was limp, stupid, and laughable. "Let V no long stand for Visitor, but for Very Bad!"<p>Characters are cardboard cutouts, say and do stupid things, say and do impossible things. They get aboard the ship and wander around unchallenged. The reporter (most miscast, terrible actor in the history of tv) can just stroll right into the "secure" section, witness the torture, stroll right back out....<p>The one Fearsome Soldier we saw was epic in his ineptness, and other than being ugly and big, nothing amazing: the soldier reveal should have been so frakking scary and alien that one of them had everyone peeing their pants--then the room full of eggs would have had some impact. It is like they wanted us to REMEMBER how Alien(s) made us feel, but didn't want to bother to make us feel it again.<p>Absolutely NO confidence shown: not one reveal at all ("please please please clamor for a second season please please please"). No reveal of what a V looks like, no explanation of why they continuously live in human skin on their ship all the time, no reveal on the baby, no reveal on the red sky, no reveal on what they are actually doing to the live-aboard humans (except that it hurts), what purpose they have for the live aboards, what they even want from earth--nothing.<p>Just a series of events and actions that seem connected to something larger, but no payoffs, no sense that the writers have actually figured it out. The sense is more like: do this cheap: use sloppy green screen work--btw, when Syphy's Sanctuary has BETTER green screen than you do, you suck--and we can't have actual alien lizards for Vs or V soldiers cuz that will cost money. <p>It may well be true that the V finale was the best episode of the season--but it was so bad, that admitting it was the best they could do is just sad.
May 20, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST
May 20, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST
Deadliest Warrior on Spike TV is more entertaining than V. Believe me, watch one episode of Deadliest Warrior and you'll forget about V.
May 20, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST
while V lays bricks! Seriously, since Goyer left FF has gotten better!
May 20, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST
It's better than Craprica, too.
May 20, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST
SPOILER LOOK OUT! > > > They showed a very short clip of the finale, and it consisted of an exchange between Locke, Ben and Sawyer at Desmond's well. Locke inspects the ground and remarks: "It looks like a dog's been here." The only other true spoiler is the promise of seeing Walt in the finale as well as a Star Wars reference 7 minutes in.
May 20, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST
SPOILER ALERT..................................................They also mentioned that we would have a better understanding of eloise hawking from the finale. and the last scene of the show included "multiple people", and hurley mentioned that he was a part of it. (slip of the tongue of course)
May 21, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST
May 21, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST
So many people watch "V". I just watch LOST again. Thank you, DVR.
May 21, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST
Glee show's ratings have skyrocketed since returning in April. You are possibly the only human being only Earth to find someway to credit Joss Whedon as helping Glee and using the word "slide" in describing this show.<br> <br> Average ratings for Fall were 3.3. Average ratings now 5.1. Nothing to do with Joss Whedon. Zero.
May 21, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST
I've tried watching it a few times and I just don't get it. But there's room for Glee on TV for those who like it. I got no problem with that. I do like the cute cheerleaders though. They should have their own show. I'd definitely watch that.
May 21, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
Now that is a fucking good ass show!
May 21, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST
...go out and rent/download the ORIGINAL and view it as someone might in '83. It's terrifying, intelligent, wondrous, world-building, creepy and FULL of amazing characters, brilliant actors and for it's time- ground-breaking special effects! It was watched around the world and beat out in ratings against THE OLYMPICS! It EVEN inspired thousands in apartheid South Africa with oppressed blacks using the V as a symbol for their struggle! Now... WHAT the HELL can be said of this "new" V? Laughably 2 dimensional characters, a plot that NEVER goes anywhere in 10 episodes, effects that are shockingly BAD for 2010! and absolutely NO drama/suspense or sense of direction! Honestly folks, this show seems to have been written and for tweenies who only know their sci-fi from cheesy teen-driven shows on TV these days! To say this V has any merit is just so shocking I feel sorry for those who think this is good tv! V simple sucks and will be easily forgotten...
May 21, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST
<p>And , no I am not gay, but I like Glee anyway. It is a show you dont have to think about or take seriously and the music is good.</p> <p>As for V, I liked the premiere. I thought they had a good premise that they never really went with. I also like the theme of false prophets and selling out to anyone who promises to do everything for you so you don't have to lift a finger. I've said it before that this is the real reason many here don't like V. Having a corrupt powerful group willing to ensure that you have everything and that you dont have to work or earn any of it just isn't evil to a lot of you...it is utopia.</p> <p>I've been wrong before however, and to each his own. While I am not entirely happy with V, there is enough there for me to like to keep watching.</p>
May 21, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST
Everything you said is right. I watched the original in 1983 and it stuck with me for all these years. However, even that show had its flaws. Can you tell me that Robin Maxwell was not one of the most annoying characters ever? Also many of those characters were cliche. Not all, but Alias and Caleb Taylor were (not Ben though). Robin, Eleanor Dupres (Mike's mother), just to name a few. I still loved that series though and still do. I think we sometimes look back on things with the blinders of nostalgia. Ask a kid today to compare the two series and see which they prefer. That result might be interesting.
May 21, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST
May 22, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST
And as Sir Paul said about silly love songs, what's wrong with that, I'd like to know. <br /> Even though the "Ooh, spaceships" ending was the same as the way they ended the mini arc before the hiatus. And just showing the baby's tail? C'mon, after a whole season we get a few square inches of lizard skin, a lizard eye and a piece of tail?<br /> And they killed the mom right after the birth like a week after Lost did the same exact thing? <br /> <br /> If you only watch one 10:00 slot show, I'd go with The Good Wife. Some excellent women on there, very tight self contained single episode stories plus an ongoing season long subplot arc, terrific cast, very tight writing. And SO MUCH PLOT that every week I glance at the clock at half past because they've done so much story I assume it's nearly over, and there's still just as much to go. (I can see how that could sound like a criticism: like "Is this over yet?" but that's not how I meant it. You just get MORE STORY than on most shows.)<br /> <br /> I kid Herc about his pet project getting a zero point eight, but I haven't seen Justificated, that show about the rural Justicizer who goes around the big town committing Justicide on the disenjustifiable, because I only have basic cable and don't get the Fix channel. But I liked McCloud when he was Chester on Gunsmoke.