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If Leonard Nimoy is to be believed, this is his last bit of acting work ever!
Plus! Last week Olivia Dunham of Earth 2 learned we exist! Uh oh!
Fox says of tonight’s second-season finale, “Over There: Part Two”:
In the second part of the two-part season finale, sacrifices will be made and both universes may never be the same again after Walter and Olivia visit the "other side." Guest Cast: Leonard Nimoy as William Bell.
9 p.m. Thursday. Fox.
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im glad the second half of season 2 picked up nicely.. just like season 1. ill cross my fingers that season 3 wont have this problem.
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Love the show but the stakes seem weak to me just because JJ's other show is closing out with a bang.
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I am hoping for this to be a great season finale. I hope Lost on Sunday is great too.
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long wait for new eps
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way too soon if you ask me. They didn't even get superhero names. Posthumously, I shall call them FireCrotch, Emoticon, TooMahr, and Agent D.
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FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH! FRINGE YEAH!FRINGE FUCKING YEAH!
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+S03 CMON!!
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Thank goodness for True Blood and Dexter returning soon.
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aka "The Cortexafatalaties"
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this may be the best four day TV span ever. I have very high hopes for this episode, needless to say. I just hope in Season 3, Fringe stays on target with the big plot and doesn't waste too much time with breaks and pointless stand alone episodes.
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That whole setup stank too much of Heroes. I had nightmares that next season would be like Ratner's X-Men. Of course I'm sure more CortexaPhanatics will crop up from time to time, but we don't need Walter as some sort of pophead Professor X and Pacey going around wearing a visor.
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..POTHEAD Professor X.
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They will look into each others eyes, and see that they are really in love with themselves. Then start going at each other like horny college kids about to lose it for the first time
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May 20, 2010 7:00:25 AM CDT
Compared with last season, I'm really looking forward to this.
by v'shael
I just wasn't impressed with last seasons finale at all.
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...even if it was AlternaCharlie.
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...would make a more interesting TV show? :D
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I might even go so far as to say Boo-Yah!
Looking forward to the Olivia Yellow vs. Olivia Red slapdown.
Glad Fringe is not becoming a superhero show, though we probably haven't heard the last from the Clortahexaflexizonaphenyl Kids.
And I hope we do stay in touch with The Other Side on a regular basis next season. Why worry about the Department of Defense's FFringe Section being a more interesting show, if they can keep it a regular part of THIS show?
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for actor in a drama ... John Noble or Terry Quinn ? That's a tough one. Being the Emmy's, however, it will probably go to Charlie Sheen for Two and a Half Men.
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Fringe does a spinoff of the alternate universe Fringe .... and they air one hour after the other. With the same cast. And, adml_shake, as I noted in last week's Fringe talkback, the idea of a threesome with the two Olivia's could generate the best moment ever on broadcast tv.
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sorry terry
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adml_shake, I hope you are correct!
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Thank god for DVR! Either way, the Lost q&a in theaters should be fucking awesome. Hopefully IRS worth missing seeing fringe live for. You'd think JJ would know he's cannibalizing his own fan base by doing this on Thursday night. Even tho he doesn't run lost anymore, he's involved in fringe and clearly has a vested interest in lost...
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Where I'm going to be glued this evening! Can't wait and I'm sure I'll be all upset that I have to wait until next fall to see more!
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Make it happen.
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won't be back til September
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Is that we get an "oh shit" moment tonight that's half as good as last season's finale reveal of the twin towers still standing. But somehow, I don't believe they can top it. Either way, absolutely LOVE this show and the past four or five eps have been better and better.
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I'd love for John Noble to get it. Or Terry O'Quinn. O'Quinn is the more likely of the two, not necessarily because of performance, but because it's his last chance to get one for Lost and voters tend to like that. However, the conversation is moot as that snoozefest called Mad Men seems to buy the winners every year. How in the hell that and the shit sandwich that is 30 Rock keep winning every year is beyond me. Best comedy should be Modern Family, Best drama Lost, Fringe, or Dexter (season 4 was outstanding!). And if John Lithgow doesn't get a Supporting Emmy for playing the Christian family man/Trinity Killer on Dexter then you know that shit is rigged!
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How about next season has episodes in both universes? Both sides working together to stop a plot from the real enemy..IN A 3RD UNIVERSE!! That would be fun :)
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is tonight his last filmed work or is it in next season? I was under the impression that he had filmed his last scenes, but that some were for early Season 3 eps they just went ahead and filmed. Herc?
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sounds like a great buddy cop show.
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I know you fanboys spooge all over whatever he does as some sort of nerd doctrine but the hard truth is that he has been embarassingly awful in the few moments he's had on Fringe. Talk about phoning it in.
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Fucking phenomenal show.
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it either be the greatest few moments in tv history or be an epic letdown
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May 20, 2010 10:12:36 AM CDT
Noble's acting has PISSED all over Nimroy in "Fringe"
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Agreed with the guy above who said Nimroy's appearances have been embarrassing. That's probably why Noble and Nimroy have never met in this season - stand the two together and you'd just see one very good theatre actor and one guy who just gurns like an idiot.I wish they'd gone for another actor in Nimroy's role, rather than stunt-casting it.
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"If you're in marketing...KILL YOURSELF!" I tried, really tried to like Mad Men, but aside from the luscious Christina Hendricks, that show is absolutely boring with a capital YAWN. It's written smartly to make people feel like they're more intelligent for watching it but it's basically a repackaged soap opera with better actors. Fucking boring. The fact that they and 30 Rock seem to win emmys before they're announced only goes to show that the emmys are bought and paid for. I just don't get the show. You can say Mad Men is better than at least 50% of what's on TV now and I'd agree with you. But when 50% of what's on TV seems to be reality shows, that's not saying much. I've given it several chances, even tried again at the start of season 3. But I'm sorry, Mad Men is fucking boring. It's not even the best show on its own channel (that would be Breaking Bad).
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I'm not going to argue the merits of Mad Men on a Fringe TB, but for me it's riveting television. But you're entitled to your opinion.
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Each episode ends with scissoring.
If they ended up getting it on, would it be incest or masturbation or would we have to create a whole new word for someone fucking their alternate reality self? In the case of Dunham and Dunham though, we would just call it AWESOME. -
you know, with that last sentence you wrote, "But you're entitled to your opinion.", I think you just proved yourself one of the very few TB'ers with class and reserve. I didn't know that thought was even legal on these boards. kudos!
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I'm a douche like everyone else on these boards more often than not, but I have my rare moments.
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"Nope, just the two.""Sigh, I guess that's enough..."
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if they destroyed 'our' universe, and all of sudden the rest of the show was about the alt-verse. I know they would never do that, but hell, that would be a television mindfuck.
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There is a reason lots of people say that. Because it is. If you tank it's boring, the flaw is in you, not the sow. Reality hurts sometimes. Fringe is fucking awesome though. Completely different shows and styles, but that doesn't mean you cant like both. But Mad Men is a better show. It really is.
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sing it brother
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The flaw is in your typing as well. ;-)
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Mad Men, last gasp of the stupid ages.
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Just got this fancy iPad. Typing sizable paragraphs is not easy. I'm not used to it yet. Keep making errors, need to just be a better proofreader I guess. But yes, nice zinger, the flaw is in my spelling\typing. Haha
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starting to watch all the xfiles episodes over again on netflix. they got all the seasons free on instant view if anyones interested. glad fringe already got picked up for a 3rd season.
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Has actually interacted face-to-face with "William Bell." So maybe Nimoy's "William Bell" isn't actually William Bell.
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Who wins in a fight?
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The guy is as old as Dilithium Crystal dust. Give him a break. I can see why they cast him though. He's creepy looking as all hell.
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Two men enter...One man leaves to find some Doritos.
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... created by dumb hacks and build around a beautiful actress. Take out the beautiful lead actress, and all you got is a steaming pile of over-hyped bullshit.
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May 20, 2010 3:43:28 PM CDT
From the writers of "THAT'S TREK?", more paralel universe abuse
by asimovlives
Paralel universes are now the slapped bitch for hacks. Abuse that motherfucker like there's no tomorrow while it's still hot.
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Only every so often do you get the perfect pairing of an actor and a role. I actually watch the show as much for his performance week-in/week-out than the stories. He does so much with a simple expression or a quiver in his voice that it is just amazing. Add to the fact that they have created a universe (or universes) that is complex/engaging and you have a really good show. I still think it could do a few things better, but it is only in its second season. I have found usually shows hit their "highs" from seasons 3-5. Which makes me even more excited that it has already been renewed.
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And he knows it
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If anyone here has ever read Fredrick Pohl's "The Coming Of The Quantum Cats", you'd see where FRINGE creators perhaps cribbed some ideas and simplified it down for their version of two universes at war! Basically, in "Cats", a parallel universe learns how to peek in on others, like Walter's Window, then to cross over, like Walter's Lake Doorway, and then to pop over by wearing some sort of suit, like Peter Weller's Time Suit, in a way. A war between two universes is started, although there are more than two in play. I doubt that the solution of the novel is spoilers for FRINGE, but eventually, a more advanced THIRD party, perhaps like The Observers, becomes involved and sorts out the mess, because, as you have seen in FRINGE, crossing universes has consequences; it's termed as "ballistic recoil" in the book. Lastly, it wraps up sort of neatly, until one character reveals a logical conclusion that even the Advanced Do Gooders have overlooked or flatly, perhaps fearfully, ignored.
I dig FRINGE. Sure, sometimes it's weak sauce X-files, but it has character touches that are endearing, genuine. I am so glad they did not drag out Peter's reveal(and consequentially, Walternate's as well), though it has often bugged me how it hasn't come up in Peter's dealing that he has a death certificate on file. Did I miss something there? -
You know, I can never remember these damn tag things. Why oh why isn't there a freakin' legend of the simple ones for us with Alzheimers. Fuck.
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Emmys? Feh, that's just rich people giving each other prizes for doing their jobs.
Still, if ya gotta pick, Terry O'Quinn, John Noble, Bryan Cranston have to be right there up top. Michael Emerson, too, but they didn't give him much to do this year.
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http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/72709
Use Firefox, get the Greasemonkey extension, the use the Maltheus AICN Power Mod app. Paragraph breaks are automatic, just type normally and hit enter.
(has other nice features: highlight your own posts, ban trolls, avoid spoilers (or anything with the word spoiler in it, actually) etc.) -
Ack. I have a damn headache. Freaking allergies! I'm Firefox-less as well. ;-)
If anyone here has ever read Fredrick Pohl's "The Coming Of The Quantum Cats", you'd see where FRINGE creators perhaps cribbed some ideas and simplified it down for their version of two universes at war! Basically, in "Cats", a parallel universe learns how to peek in on others, like Walter's Window, then to cross over, like Walter's Lake Doorway, and then to pop over by wearing some sort of suit, like Peter Weller's Time Suit, in a way. A war between two universes is started, although there are more than two in play. I doubt that the solution of the novel is spoilers for FRINGE, but eventually, a more advanced THIRD party, perhaps like The Observers, becomes involved and sorts out the mess, because, as you have seen in FRINGE, crossing universes has consequences; it's termed as "ballistic recoil" in the book. Lastly, it wraps up sort of neatly, until one character reveals a logical conclusion that even the Advanced Do Gooders have overlooked or flatly, perhaps fearfully, ignored. I dig FRINGE. Sure, sometimes it's weak sauce X-files, but it has character touches that are endearing, genuine. I am so glad they did not drag out Peter's reveal(and consequentially, Walternate's as well), though it has often bugged me how it hasn't come up in Peter's dealing that he has a death certificate on file. Did I miss something there? -
but I'd have to guess that when Peter died and Walter retrieved AlterPeter, in order to smooth the transition he somehow managed to get Peter buried in a cemetery without reporting the death to the authorities or having a death certificate issued. He may have even disposed the body elsewhere and just had the tombstone erected. Sounds complicated and unpleasant, I know, but how else could he have done it?
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And far preceded Peternate's kidnapping. I suppose Walter's connections, Observers, or MassiveDynamic helped cover it up?
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Glad we have more Fringe to look forward to.
I wonder if they gave FlashForward enough advance notice for them to stitch on some sort of ending?
Season finales for Bones and Grey's tonight, too.
Tomorrow season finale for Medium, and apparently final episode of now canceled Ghost Whisperer. Wonder if that gets an ending or leaves viewers with a cliff anger?
Still wondering what the third season of Joan of Arcadia would have been like. Or a full year of Wonderfalls. -
Season for $19.99 at Best Buy.
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makes my nether region all buttery.
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why did they have to do it that way .
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When did that happen?!?
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That's a perfect season right there!
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When?
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Alt-Livia knocked everyone out somehow, grabbed Bell, and said it was one of his grenades.
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gave me goosebumps
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happened when olivia told spock to duck and there was an explosion, alt-olivia had the drop on them and boyle set off the explosion. that's what his nod to her was about
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So I really liked the episode, but . . . if the point was to get Peter to power the alt-universe destroying engine, why go back with them? Why not sabotage the attempt to keep Peter there to complete the plan? Also, how did alt-Olivia know about the grenades? Also, did alt-Olivia have the power to cross universes too? I assume there will be answers to these obvious questions (ie plot holes).
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Too many "classic" blunders. Why no "double tap" on evil Olivia back in the apartment? Why leave her able to fuck things up? Why allow the escape if back to the good universe, why not stop them? How does evil Olivia know about the typewriter? She did not even know about the alt universe until the previous ep. She was briefed in that much detail, that this was all planned, for her to replace the good Olivia? Sorry, but the quote Douglas Quaid, "Sorry, too perfect."
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But wouldn't that mean that Alt-Olivia has the same "door opening" abilities that our Olivia has? Otherwise, how did they get back? Did Bell show Walternate how to give people like Olivia those abilities and how to train them? Damn it!! When does next season start!
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because despite her treachery, our Liv still couldn't bring herself to irrevocably harm her alt-self - not a plothole just common sense knowing about the typewriter was strange, though
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Jesus we get it. You have some unexplained, unhealthy obsession with trying to insult anything to do with J.J. Abrams, be it shows, films, or fans. You've had this obsession for some time now. WE. GET. IT. In fact, I don't think there's a person that's posted in a talkback on this site in over three years that doesn't get it. Do you really have nothing better to do? I know I'm probably instigating a flame war even typing this, but enough is enough bro. If you don't like it, don't read his articles, watch his films, or follow his television. Just stop inundating the rest of us with your tired routine. Seriously, dude, it's just lame and sad at this point.
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And them throwing the term Walternate into the episode ? Classic.
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Got a replay of his "Wrath of Khan" ending..the needs of the many and so on. Nice nod, I thought.
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would that mean she went lesbian, or is she just masturbating ? I really wonder about this. Graphically, and for long periods of time. Both would be redheads though ... it looks damn good on her.
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Bell used his powers to open the door on his own. Olivia's powers weren't needed.
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Did they have to go to Harvard to use some dusty ass machine to get back, when they could have just went to Bells lab at the World Trade Center? Great episode though, Awesome show.
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I'm assuming that Walternate has been the one guiding the shapeshifters via the typewriter so I'm sure he gave Alt-Olivia the heads up before she went undercover.
As far as why they didn't just kidnap Peter back, I wonder if that machine really WILL destroy "our" world. Remember the only ones that are relaying that info is the Observers (and who knows what their true motives are).
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as the WTC reveal ending last season, but still good and looks like season 3 may get a wee bit darker than we've seen so far. I do wonder, if Liv can still make a crack in the universes (or is it universi?), can she, being only one person, slip through the crack?
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wouldn't Altlivia be real Altlivia and not a shapeshifter, considering the target needs to die?
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Asimov is an Abrams plant.
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Cool looking cover of Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" featuring Superman instead.
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Great episode, except for that part, could see it coming a mile away, and considering the Olivia/Peter interaction, really disappointed that Peter was so seemingly easy to fool. And even though it's practical for the show, Evil Olivia is going to be pat, predictable and cardboard(I only say this as a hope that it will not be so).
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I just want to give a shout out to Bay Area Fox affiliate for giving viewers what they really want: 7 minutes of Seinfeld in lieu of the beginning of Fringe. Aces job, guys!
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Great way to go out! Im so glad that its coming back next season.
Vikki - Unfortunatly FlashForward is going to go out next week with a cliffhanger as if its waiting for a second season thats never going to happen. I watched tonight and loved FF, but kept feeling that this is pointless. -
...is STILL whining and bitching....about "Star Trek"....you know, the SUPER SUCCESSFUL one that put Star Trek back on the map as a franchise and BLEW away any past hackneyed overacted SHAT-(on the art of acting)-ner version....he's got a Hate On for "Fringe" (already better than any X Files season except the first 3 BTW) because it's Team Abrams...and he can't help but knee jerk HATE Team Abrams for making all those LOSER Trekkies (himself included) from the 60's and 70' an irrelevant joke...That's the best Meta Cosmic Joke...Trek has moved on and outgrown it's Pathetic original Fan base.....GET A LIFE loser!!!!!!!
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"Groovy"
Zilla, actually the framed comic book I noticed was "Red Lantern/Red Arrow". Man, I remember buying and reading that first GL/GA issue - even remember where I bought it and the position I was in when I first saw it. At that time I couldn't have imagined an alternate color version would wind up as a prop on a sci-fi TV series. Awesome. I'll watch the tape again and look for the Dark Night alternate. (Did anyone else here think the Doomsday Device diagrams looked like Neal Adams artwork?)
Redhead Olivia with bangs = hotness. Once again, "I tolja she was the grown up Donna from That '70s Show." Not the same actress, but the same look. And Redhead Olivia is totally hotter than Blonde Donna ever was (and Blonde Donna was kinda hot.)
"This is the '77 Model."
Spo... er, Bell holding up his hand in a farewell salute ala Khan. Awesome final scene for a beloved actor to go out on.
I wonder how much of the time they keep Dunham in the dark in that cell. Or how often they feed her. Or give her water.
Red Olivia, Alt-livia - you can call her Evilivia, but she's definitely a Better Olivia. I wonder how long she things she can get away with it.
And did she get Peter to return to "our" Earth by playing the "WE belong together" card? And he didn't realize how out of character that is? What?
Pa, too bad FF didn;t have time to rewrite the last episodes to wrap matters p. Oh well, as long as we get past FlashForward Day they will have accomplished that. We can just ignore the foreshadowing and new clues and try not to ponder the where they might have gone if they had a season two. Can't believe they canceled F/F and renewed "V" though. -
Because with Olivia on our side she can spy on our Fringe team and send over the tech Walternate said we were more advanced in. The other Olivia knew that Bell was a weapons maker, and when she saw the 'nades on our Olivia she probably just figured that he gave them to her. Or since she was standing so close when our Olivia warned Bell, was just BSing her way into the building with Bell. I doubt the other Olivia has any abilities since Walter and Bell never met on that side they had no chance to conduct the experiments on the group of kids. I think this will be her undoing at some point.
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Dude unless I am misreading your comment the Olivia who told Peter we belong together is the real olivia not alternate Olivia. Alternate Olivia only impersonated real Olivia at the end when she brought Bell in so he could power up that machine and send them back to our earth. Did I misread your post, my apologies if that is so.
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Great season finale, sure the Olivia switch at the end was obvious to me as soon as it happened but it got me so damn mad that our Livi is stuck in the other universe. I thought that was a great season finale. I hope Losts finale on Sunday is just as interesting if not more so. Also 24 will be ending with a bang on Monday. 4 star reviews are popping up and it should be a great ending to the series. I can't wait for the movie.
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...Notice the "Dark Man of Steel Returns" also a "Red Lantern & Red Arrow" Couldn't see the others. Harry, get your Comics @$$holes on the case getting images of all of them, dammit!
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...if it's Olivia's Cortexephan power that allows them to switch universes... then... uh... how did they manage to switch universes if the real Olivia wasn't there to crack open the Alterverse in the first place. (I'm assuming they pulled the switcheroo when she was outside with Bell, right?)
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...paper-flat iPads, nanotech insta-healing, sealing giant sections of cities in stasis field amber, heads-up displays in helicopters activated by visual tracking, plasma pulse guns, shapeshifters... what the f**k could our lousy caveman universe have that Walternate thinks is more advanced? Maybe better food additives due to the influence of world reknowned genius food additive designer Clark Griswold???
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She switched when she was outside with Bell. Must have tranked our Olivia. The cortexephan from our Olivia was not needed since Bell used his atoms to power that machine that opened the doorway.
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Thats what the alternate Fringe unit reminded me of. Not a bad thing.
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I was wondering the same thing. I am very curious what the technolgy is we have that they don't. I wondered if it was supposed to be something that we should have noticed was "missing" from the altaverse when they were out and about.
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having our universe destroyed and following the events in the alternate universe.
The twist should be that Peter survives into the alternate universe and has to fend for himself while working against the Fringe unit there or have to adjust to losing his universe while working for the Fringe unit.
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She would not freak out and cry like that, she would be yelling and telling Walternate she's gonna eff him up. Seemed totally out of character, she's been in several bad spots and always kept her head. Just my opinion...psi
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She may have been in there in the dark for quite some time for her to seem broken like that. Remember she has no clue what happened to the others, in her mind they could all be dead. Plus it must be hard to watch the exact duplicate of the guy she protects and probably loves treating her in such a cruel fashion....again.
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Knew Olivia was Alt-Livia as soon as she helped him up. The thing that gave it away at first was the two Olivia's facing each other. If they had left that out it would've taken a little longer to see. Plus, it was a stupid thing to have a commerical after they came over- the break told you the big reveal was still coming
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Honestly she has no knowledge of the different events of our universe in general, and, what has happened between her and the rest of the team specifically. It probably won't last beyond the season premiere next year.
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I also noticed a Justice League comic that definitely had Mr Miracle in them.
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And I loved the little sneaky things like the digital history overlay being right around the edges of the digital elements so as to make the composite cheaper. The comics on the walls. The fact that Peter was using a reel to reel to record his voice with. "science fiction.. double feature" from the Rocky Horror Picture Show on Otherlivia's alarm/phone. Nimoy didn't look as frail as he did in Trek, that was nice. So was his acting. The presidential portrait of Kennedy on Walternate's desk. So much to love, so little to nit-pick. For me.
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was her gate. She walks like she's packing a pair in her underwear.
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Oops. Not gate. Gait.
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but its not like they made a giant mystery, fringe doesnt insult the audience's intelligence (well, much.. not as much as some shows, anyway) so they made the reveal the next commercial break.. just like fake-charlie was obvious, but they didnt pretend it wasnt.
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Did anyone else notice the message on the chalkboard in Walternate's lab? I think it was something like A DEVILS TWISTS RUST or something like that. ANAGRAM anyone?
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May 21, 2010 11:28:01 AM CDT
Walter will call Astrid, Antona or something, and Oliva will say
by zardozap2005
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The wrong name, Astrid won't correct him, and Alt-Olivia will call her it and give herself away. Classic fuck up.
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Did anyone notice the weird west coast of the US in the alt-universe? It looks like one of my mom's worst fears came true and part of California fell into the Pacific Ocean.
With Fringe ending its season so well and no more Lost, I'm relieved that I'll have something to watch in the fall. Flashforward is goofy and (thankfully) cancelled. And V has some of the worst special effects I've seen on TV. They are literally laugh-out-loud horrible. -
We saw last week that Astrid works in the Fringe Division as Broyles assistant so alt-Olivia knows her
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Has shitty bangs. But seriously, that was a great finale, with Fringe, Justified, and Breaking Bad, there is still hope for T.V. after Lost...
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That was our Olivia in the scene with Peter, they switched after the grenade I believe..
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best reason to watch this show. And now there are two of her!
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Some people didn't see that for some reason. I think she is incredibly hot..different looking then your normal hot girl. Much like Yvonne Strahotski...those Australian girls..
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Fauxlivia! ain't I clever?
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I'm gonna use that, ill give you credit if asked.
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while Walter watches and eats KFC
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Might to check it out on their website. Some very nice photo's of her
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book covers: The Man of Steel Returns#1 (Dark Knight Returns#1), Red Lantern&Red Arrow (Green Lantern#76). There was also Crisis on Infinite Earths#7(Death of Supergirl cover), Justice League International#1 and Secret Wars#1 which appeared to be normal.Nice touch for Nimoy as Bell giving his acting "sendoff" a la Wrath of Khan.
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All FRINGE has to do is have a lesbo chow down and your heads will explode. So, pretty much, it's the Evilverse Red vs. Our Merry Band. Next season will have to maintain a pace towards something subtantial, either characterwise or storywise to keep me interested. So far, the things I have dreaded, dragging out major plot lines and lame retcons, have been thankfully avoided. I hope as an overall series, they have some idea where this is all building to.
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because our Olivia never gave any indication that Charlie was dead.
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RedLantern/Arrow, neat! I wonder if JGL stars in the Twilight movies over there
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is going to last past a 2-part season opener. peter/ walter/ astrid/ broyles/ or someone will probably figure her out fast, and then they'll spend most of the time getting real olivia back (probably by contacting her somehow over there, and getting her to use her powers... i bet she can be powerful enough to jump herself.. if she REALLY tries/believes in herself. you know how they do that shit...) anyway, they need to get back to a few monster-of-the-week episodes in the first half of season 3. im sure fauxlivia will still be part of the bigger mythology, but id be surprised if they kept her in the 'real-verse' for too long. (but then i could be wrong.. that was a great season finale.)
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They are sitting there eating chicken in the alt-verse and Walter in a deadly serious tone breaks out with the " in 1983 I discovered the 11th secret ingredient " or something like that. Even Bell rolled his eyes heh. That was so great.
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having said that, keeping fauxlivia around for a few monster of the week episodes.. even if the real fringe team figure out her secret. it might be pretty cool. she could eventually come around after seeing that the people in this universe arent out to destroy the altverse. her skills from the other side might make for some interesting new ways to handle crazy events. she is trained to deal with them too.
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"It was wednesday april 2nd 1983 when I happened to identify the last of the secret herbs and spices"
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thats the way they almost HAVE to go.. to make the real olivia and peter reunion more meaningful. they made them admit their love for each other pretty early in the story, so to keep some kind of tension i think they're going to need to keep them apart for a while. maybe half or all of season 3.. then when they finally become reunited it will be that much more meaningful. BOO-YA!
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+1 for Fauxlivia, i'm totally using that!
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Yeah, the pained look on Olivia and Bell after that anecdote was priceless!
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I tried to post last night after the ep, but something was wonky with my computer. Saw this briefly mentioned earlier, but it seems like last night's episode was a major fuck-up.
Olivia can open the door. Only Olivia can open the door. Bell can pass through it, but not open the door. Olivia can open the door only because Bell and Walter screwed with her. Bell and Walter did not screw with Olivia-nate, because Bell was dead in Olivia-nate's formative years. When a writer creates a world, he must abide by his own rules and I swear if they try to say Olivia-nate snuck over here and snagged the real Olivia, I'm done. I loved the ep up until that part. Why are people giving this a pass? Am I missing something? -
the two Olivias bumping doughnuts. I'd love to be the meat in their friendship sandwich!
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of his body to open up the door due to traveling to and from both universes. Olivia wasn't needed and he lost his life to keep the door open for Fauxlivia, Walter, and Peter.
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Anagram, yes. it says:"DON'T TRUST SAM WEISS"--the bowling alley dude--now is that the one over THERE or the one over here??Hmmmm....
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I don't think that was explicitly stated. As far as I can remember, the only reason Bell made that sacrifice was because they needed enough power to keep the door open, since Olivia didn't have enough juice to do so by herself. I'm going to agree with originalmemflix that there's some logic leap going on here.
The only explanation that really makes sense within the context the show's given us is that *maybe* the fabric between universes at the opera house was so weak to begin with, that Olivia's door-opening powers weren't necessary. But that still doesn't really jive with what we've been told.
So yeah. Major missing plot point on how the Earth-1 team managed to open the door with Fauxlivia as opposed to Olivia. Still loved the season finale though. I geeked out thoroughly during and after I watched it. -
In all likelihood they'll be nominated in different categories come Emmy time. Noble for Lead Actor, Terry for Supporting.
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On the earth 1 side they had no machine..just there minds. On the earth alt side they had Bells machine plus Bells atoms.
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They said they were going to use the machine to open the crack Olivia had made. It sounded like they meant a new crack but later they appeared to be talking about the existing crack (the one they'd created to cross over). I think it must have been the existing crack because otherwise why would they have to go back to the same place?
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i worked out the glyph, 'WEISS' but i didnt know about the anagram.. damn. thanks. i guess he's going to have a bigger role in season 3.
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But I bet Sister and Niece will figure out something's not quite right with Olternate.
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is it any good? is it getting better and is it worth the bother???
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ill miss the character and leonard nimoy i wonder what will happen with massive dynamic now and who wouldve guessed walternate was the evil mastermind behind the shapeshifters and more than likely
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May 21, 2010 10:08:29 PM CDT
Link to view alternate DC covers from Fringe Season Finale.
by thanos0145
Here is a link to view the alternate DC comic covers that were on Fringe last night and the explanation behind them from Geoff Johns.http://tinyurl.com/32dvu5k
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May 21, 2010 10:09:57 PM CDT
Gonna be hard going back to monster-of-the week stories after th
by zillabeast
Fringe is almost officially on serial status now. FOX better not fuck with this show's creative bunch, because they are on fire right now.
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Man, those are absolutely awesome.
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Those are seriously amazing. LOVE em.
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I immediately recognized Red Lantern/Red Arrow when I saw it, didn't get a clear enough look at the others. Man of Steel Returns is a terrific design (even if it did inspire that movie...). The League with Jonah Hex instead of Guy Gardner? Probably just there to plug his movie. But a Death of Batman issue? and Superman dead in Crisis? Wow. Since the "real" Supergirl never returned from dying (just got replaced by 2 or 3 differently named characters) and since Wayne, not being Kryptonian, probably had no way of returning from the dead the way Kent did, that means the alterverse DC universe is without two of it's Big Three, making Wonder Woman their most iconic character.
Kinda cheap finding out the comic parody covers were done as a sneaky way of plugging the fact that the studio that created them are doing a Fringe comic book, but on the other hand... hey, there's a Fringe comic book! -
and it was Real-Olivia who got Peter to return to RealWorld with that romantic "we belong together" stuff.
I still say it was out of character and, sorry if I'm in a very small minority on this, but it was the only scene in the episode that I actually BOLed (booed out loud). Sorry, but I was just really hoping that FRINGE wa NOT going to go that Moonlighting/Sam&Diane/Mully&Skulder/Bones&Booth UST (unresolved sexual tension) route. Can't a man and woman work together in TV ville and not automatically fall in love? Does every show have to be a soap opera? -
running away with me... or is Walternate getting a little bit of a sadistic kick out of keeping Real-Olivia in that isolation/deprivation cell?
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Liked how the Red Lantern Red Arrow comic tied in with the Red Opening Credits.
That RL/RA symbolically shows the Power Lantern being destroyed. What if in that Alt-DC-reality it really happened and that universe has no Lantern? That would explain no Guy Gardner in the League. A DVU with no Superman, Batman or Green Lantern?
Does the loss of those three superheroes symbolize the deaths of the three Chlorhexaphane superheroes from the Real-Verse?
Realizing Alt-Bell died young and he and Walternate never did the Chlorhexaphane trials on the kids means that the Alt-verse does not have any potential super-heroes. Not that I would welcome the Fringe-verse turning into Heroes, but if you're looking for the technological differences between the universes, that's a significant one. One world has (potential) super-heroes, while the other world - the one with massive rift damage, which could really use super-heroes, doesn't.
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Sorry if this was pointed out already, but I saw a lot of people mentioning this. Walter and Bell explained it at the lab in Harvard, the crack in universes was already there from their first jump, they just needed a way to prop it open (the energy doohicky thing) and use Olivia to power it. Instead Bell powered it, allowing them to cross back over. Unless Alt-Olivia does have powers of some sort. It's possible that in the alt universe, Chlorhexaphane or something similar to it is given to everyone at a young age to help their mental growth somehow. The only thing backing me on this though is that it was established people from the alt universe can survive crossing over better than those from our universe (that being the reason Peter discovered the truth about himself). Also, I really like this show. Can't wait for next season.
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Well they remind me a lot of Beast/Dark Beast in the X-Men books. In the early 90's there was a battle between Prophesor X and Magneto which also involved Charle's son's Legion. If I remeber correctly (its been a year or two since I read it) the battle had the regular ending, but then they had thing huge what if spin off called Age of Appocolipse were Legion accidentally killed his Father Charles Xavier in an alternate reality which spun into this huge event where Magneto became good and lead the X-Men and one of the major villians Appocolipse was able to take over the planet and regular humans were slaves.
Anyways the Beast in that world became twisted and evil who would like to experiment on humans just for sadistic fun and had no morals. Eventually the good guys took back control. But as a later result Dark Dark and a number of other Alt characters somehow crossed over to our reality. So Dark Beast has been running around doing all sorts of bad things while Beast has been doing the opposite. Both just like the two Walters a result of the chioces that they have made in their different cercumstances. -
So one of Olivia's abilities was to be able to see a glow around those from the Alt world. So now that she's there is everyone glowing or does it only work in the regular reality?
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May 22, 2010 2:29:09 AM CDT
BELL: "You asked me too...because of what you were becoming."
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
Ooh er!
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The reason Walternate gave the Fringe-Alt-Division was all for nothing. That wasn't good writing at all. They clearly (especially Olivialt) saw, that they are human beings with feelings. And they are not monsters! So the speech Walternate gave was senseless! If you ignore that - it was a quite entertaining finale! Kudos to Mr. Nimoy! A fantastic curtain call!
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or DVR or the first season DVDs?
I haven't been taping it to save, and I watch too many other shows to memorize everything on all of them. and frankly Fringe, since the ep just before the hiatus, surprised be by becoming a lot better than I thought it was going to be.
That preface out of the way, the topic is Alternate Technologies. And, I suppose, Dynamic ones.
Both worlds are science-fiction. Our familiar Fringe universe has a woman with a fully functional bionic arm. And Chlorhexaphane kids with super-powers.
The Alt-universe has, well superguns and plasma grenades.
In many ways the Alt looks like futuristic sci-fi, and yet we are told that in some ways they lag behind us.
The Other Side's advances we can chalk up to three things:
1. Scientific research in certain areas was not done, leaving those scientists to work in other areas.
2. They had cunning super-genius Walter Bishop in full possession of his faculties while out brain-damaged Walter spent seventeen years in an institution.
3. They eventually got our William Bell.
And their lags:
1. Same as above: science working in some areas while neglecting others.
2. All the years they didn't have a William Bell.
3. Their Walter bishop turned bitter and vindictive after losing his son, went into politics and rose to Secretary of Defense while neglecting hi research.
4. The damage done to their world by the weakening of the barriers.
So what exactly is different? They have better medical care and faster healing. More powerful handguns and grenades. Advanced tracking devices. A ID card system. Better computers and toys. Different comic books. Can we assume an attack on the World Trade Center was prevented or stpped rather than merely never happened? Then, better security.
So in what ways are they 'behind'? Well, that is the question.
We are often sown lighter-than-air craft - Zeppelins. Is it remotely possible that they haven't developed heavier than air travel? No airplanes, no helicopters, no jets, no rockets, no missiles? Thus, no faster than sound intercontinental flights, and no space program? No Tang and Space Food Sticks?
Peter's use of a reel-to-reel tape recorded suggests they may have avoided dead end technologies like 8-track and cassette tape and videotape. It probably can't mean they don;t have digital technology - their computers seem too advanced.
Once everyone gets over the head-rushes of this weekends Lost finale, we need someone to check out all of the Alt-Fringe episodes to try to figure out what common technologies we haven't been shown.
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My take on that is that Walternate is just as crazy as our Walter only in an evil maniacle way. For example he wants to destroy an entire universe for what?
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Well I think it's already been established from an episode this year that they had digital tech at least 25 years before we did. Hence the cell phone Walter copied in 1985. That would be a fundimental difference right there because of all the inovation you'd have much earlier. I'd say alot more advanced. If it hadn't been for things like the Hindinberg we might have kept building blimps for awhile. Just because they didn't show other kinds of aircraft doesn't imply they don't have them. Walter also said their medicine is much more advanced on more than one occasion. I'd say alot more advanced as just 25 years of advancement in just some areas would be alot.
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I may be trying to read too much into the framed comics... or just trying not to miss clues.
Whose comics? If no Peter on that side, were they his mother's comics, or Walternates?
The RL/RA cover is symbolic, but it shows a high-tech weapon, the Lantern Battery power source, being destroyed by a primitive weapon - an arrow. Symbolic of a culture trying to defeat an alternative world they think is thirty years advanced in some areas?
Death of Batman - a good guy loses.
Seems to bookend the Death of Superman - the ultimate hero falls, but we also have, Man of Steel returns - the hero reborn. Crisis, though, also represents the destruction of all alternate realities and the creation of a single real reality.
And that version of Justice League was formed after the group disbanded. It was reformed by a businessman, Max Lord, who eventually turned out to be a bad guy - a villain manipulating and using the Heroes both to control them and to generate "profit as a by-product".
If those were supposed to be Peters parents framing his childhood comics as a memory of him, they were odd choices and don;t all seem to fit the right time frame for his age. His mother being a comics fan would be an interesting character detail.
But if they are Walternate's comics, he must have picked those images deliberately. A team formed by a corrupt leader; a shot at William Bell, or how he sees himself? Destruction of technology by a more primitive weapon: his attack on "our" reality? Or how he views the destruction wrought on his dimension by the incursions from ours? The death of a hero? The death and return of a hero? And the destruction of Earth-2, Earth-X, Earth-S etc.
Are these Walternates comics, and if so what do they represent to him?
The destruction of the Battery explains the absence of a Lantern in the Justice League, but is the replacement of Gardner with Jonah Hex anything more than a movie plug? Because after heroes and Lost, I think Fringe already has enough fantastic elements without adding Time Travel into the mix.
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May 22, 2010 10:55:35 AM CDT
"They kidnapped my son, I will destroy their universe."
by vikkimarsdale
Well, also "They laid devastation to my world by repeatedly penetrating the dimensional division between the worlds, so I will destroy their world."
Plus "They destroyed huge chunks of my planet AND destroyed my personal family by taking my son, so I will create a weapon capable of destroying their world, but then keying it so it can only be triggered by my son's DNA, so their world cannot be destroyed while he is there."
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Realivia found that exact shade of hair dye in her bathroom.
She also didn't get the haircut right. Fauxlivia had her bangs combed down flat and trimmed straight across (thing Moe Howard, Vampirella, '60s Cher, Bettie Page, etc.) Realivia trimmed her bangs about an inch longer - eyelash length, then swept them to the side.
If Realivia meant that "we belong together" romance stuff and wasn't just saying it to get Peter to come back to RealFringeWorld, if Peter tried to act on it and get closer, will Fauxlivia play along with it? That's what a good espionage double-agent would do. And that could give us a Peter/Olivia sex scene or two that wouldn't actually change the real Olivia/Peter status quo.
I can't believe Fauxlivia is going to get away with posing as the real Olivia for long.
She works for a fairly security conscious government agency, but they tend to get tricked by double agents all the time.
Astrid doesn't know her that well. Walter always thinks things are a little off and assumes it's his fault. But the people who know her? Peter? Her sister? Her niece?
"Mommy, what's wrong with Aunt Livi? She's weird." -
Hmm... in one world they mainly recruited him for the Fringe Division to get access to his madcap genius father. They constantly put him in insane monster-of-the-week situations he's no way qualified to deal with. His mother committed suicide and he learns the man he thought was his father actually kidnapped him.
On The Other Side he learns his mother - his real biological mother - is alive. That his family is rich and powerful. That his father is Secretary of Defense, head of the Fringe Division, and not brain damaged or insane. That in many ways technology, including medical developments, seem miraculously advanced.
On the down side, incursions from Side One have caused horrible devastation on Side Two. And, oh yeah, his at her has created a weapon capable of destroying Side One, but it's keyed to his personal DNA so he's the only person who can destroy the world he grew up in. A weapon that can never be used as long as he's in Side One.
Okay, that's a pretty big deal-breaker and it was the right thing to do for Peter to come 'home' - but he sure blew off his real biological mother without even a bye-bye. Lets' hope she doesn't suicide out over losing the same son twice. -
man but that was a horribly convenient decision to dye and cut her hair in order to pass for Fauxlivia, allowing Fauxlivia to pass for her. If she hadn't done that...
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Was how great would it be if they had a scene where Fauxlivia tells the real one that she's going to " take her place and Peter also " then they cut to a scene outside the room where you see fauxlivia being thrown through the door. I just thought it would make a great scene to get the point across the Olivia really does love Peter ( and you'd better not fuck with that ) and that they do belong together. That's been obvious for some time. In a way Fauxlivia was right when she said " Is that what this is all about ". From one point of view it was.
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They could save a scene like that for early in next season.
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You could have a romance between Olivia and Peter without destroying the show ( as this sort of thing sometimes does ) as it's mostly based on Walter as a main character.
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I don't know how many of you know this but they've already stated that Fringe has been mapped out for 5 seasons. They know where they are going and are going to end up. I like it when they do that.
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We refered to the Nazi's and the Communists as Monsters. Walternate was just using propoganda to drum up angry feelings towards those from world 1. He wasn't refering to them being real monsters
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Was the man Fauxlivia was sleeping with supposed to be John Scott? If so, they couldn't get the Human Target back for one quick scene?
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Yeah I would bet that they play that out for 4 or 5 episodes like they did with Dark Charlie and then the rest of the season is trying to get back to World 2 to rescue Olivia from Dark Walter.
I loved though how JJ humanized the World 2 people. Dark Olivia may be on the bad side, but she's just following orders and not really evil, or so it seems. -
because Anna Torv married Mr. Human Target after a whirl wind romance. They are now in the middle of a divorce.
The two actors probably cannot stand to be in the same room never mind acting out a love scene. -
I was wondering that also, but I think that it was a totally different person since a lot of other things were different.
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Knew they had married but didn't know it ended so quickly. I also heard she was Rupert Murdoch's neice, but it's not listed on her imdb page. Any truth to that?
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Anna Torv is indeed Rupert Murdoch's niece.
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There was Human Target guy, the guy she ran into in Germany and now she's set her sights on Peter. No doubt Alternate Olivia is banging one of her work colleagues too. And, of course, real life Anna Torv bangs actors she works with. The circle of life.
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so they do have some heavier than air transportation.
And the fact that the washing machine thingamajig with the concentric hoops would "hold open the crack Olivia made when they arrived" and then Bell would supply the energy needed to "serve as a doorstop" and hold the crack open long enough for them to pass through was mentioned at least twice.
The episode stands up well to a repeated viewing. I especially liked the scene where Fauxlivia takes the key from over the door - right where Realivia told her it was, right where she keeps hers. When Faux enters Real's apartment the camera does a slow sweeping pan - interesting when we know that she's seeing her doppelganger's apartment for the first time.
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