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PREDATORS, THING prequel & WALKING DEAD at WONDERFEST!!!

Published at: May 17, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here... still in Louisville, getting ready to head over to the Edgar Rice Burroughs museum!!! So very excited about that. This weekend at WONDERFEST has been just about blissful. Being a guest at a convention can really be an overwhelming experience, especially at the moderate to large sized regional events like this one. WonderFest has been going on for 21 years, just seven years longer than AICN's been around! The particular identity of this convention is that it is one of the great MODEL shows in the world. The contest had well over 500 astonishingly well put together models - including a restoration of the Nostromo... the original model used in Ridley Scott's seminal classic. It made me very happy to see that this killer piece of SciFi history has been rescued from the brink of decay. I also got to spend some really great quality time with William Stout, who I had brought into to help design JOHN CARTER OF MARS back in the old Paramount/JCOM days. He did some amazing work for us. Hopefully one day the world will see that work, along with that of the other great artists that we were blessed with. And then there was the Guest Green Room - which was like being wrapped inside the last 4 pages of a classic issue of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND - as we were surrounded by great Captain Company memoribilia... and BOURBON. A LOT OF BOURBON. Saturday night, my wife and I got pretty trashed, when Lou Ferrigno decided to pour "to the rim" drinks of straight bourbon. Being drunk with the Incredible Hulk talking about his upcoming reality show that he's shooting a pilot for TV LAND, but the real glee when we started talking about his childhood faves of Curt Swan's SUPERMAN comics of the classic Silver age, then we chatted about The Three Stooges and ABBOTT & COSTELLO till wee hours, before I joined Stout in a debate regarding our favorite Frankenstein movies. The show though was really about the very old school fans that we were surrounded by here. Like Courtlandt Hull - the nephew of Henry Hull - a tremendous actor and the very first cinematic wolfman from WEREWOLF OF LONDON, a really great movie that began many of the werewolf legends on film. Courtlandt was here to show his AURORA MODELS documentary which while still a tad rough, is a real nostalgia trip - especially given it is hosted by the king of horror hosts, Zacherly... who was going to come in, but at 90-something, he's at his COLLEGE REUNION this weekend. No Joke. There's 4 of em. Then there was JOE MOE - a talented vocalist that has done a lot of work for Disney, but is most known as being the right hand man of Forrest J Ackerman for his last 20 years on our planet. Joe... Joe is seriously one of the most sweet people I have ever known. The sort of person that just instantly puts you into a calm cool demeanor. That man has magic in him. But the first real taste of the kind of response that made Yoko and I feel so at home here - came from Terry Pace & his family - who just were the exact "WE NEED MORE FANS LIKE THESE" that I love. Terry is a classic horror film geek - even having one of his letters published in FMOF! He named his son Forrest, after Ackerman - and his daughter seriously does the most adorable recital of THE ADDAMS FAMILY theme... all verses. Though, she will need to work a bit on her snap - but that comes with age. Snapping your fingers at 4 is pretty tough. There's so many great fans I met - One of my faves was the great Robert Taylor. This man reminded me so much of a very dear old time geek in San Antonio that I grew up knowing named Bobby Morehead. Chatting about music from the teens through the thirties. Well, there's just not that many folks that I get to geek out about that part of my geekdom. Much less films like the great PANDORA'S BOX. ANYWAY - you came to find out about PREDATORS, WALKING DEAD & THE THING Prequel. Well, one of the things I was doing here was... Originally, I was going to be moderating a PREDATORS panel with Greg Nicotero and Nimrod Antal. However, Greg had to cancel due to working on Frank Darabont's WALKING DEAD for AMC. And Nimrod has just been crunched - working on the final mix of PREDATORS which he's feeling the pressure of the release date which is coming right at him. SO... The PREDATORS panel wound up being me and Dave Connover (one of the grand poo-bahs of WONDERFEST) - and Dave and I had a grand time talking about PREDATORS - I've been talking with Rodriguez for about 14 years regarding PREDATORS - and told stories about Robert's original scriptment - the process of choosing Nimrod for the film, how the project came to return to Rodriguez about more than a decade of cobwebs. THEN... Dave queued up a 9 minute special behind the scenes video by Greg Nicotero and the wizards at KNB that was to show us the process that they went through to bring back to life the original Predator - with a higher degree of articulation (hey, there's been some minor advancements in the past 25 years or so.) HOWEVER, as Greg went to introduce the video from his workshop at KNB... He first produced a zombie that he's working on for THE WALKING DEAD - I haven't seen any of KNB's work for this VERY anticipated show from AMC and Darabont. Any concern about this show not adapting the more ghoulish aspects of THE WALKING DEAD. Well, I haven't seen such an awesome cadaverous Zombie since RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD or... even LIFEFORCE. Only... this was mixed with more "wet" than either of those. We're talking very cool work here. The glimpse raised my already high expectations. Can't wait to see what Frank does with this - and hopefully we'll get some glimpses to share with you shortly! But as Greg put the zombie down... And moved ever so slightly to his left... We could see further back into KNB - and there... clearly in the background was something they were working on, obviously, for THE THING prequel. This thing was right out of Bottin's THE THING. Two heads split and joined by that stretching, warping slimey muscle... "what is that" "that's human, that's human" and That is decidedly not. I'm still scared shitless by this project, but just seeing that one head. well, two heads with alot of gross between the two... Let's just say, I'm cautiously optimistic now. After the reel - we chatted for a bit about what we just saw and I decided. Dammit, let's see if I can ring up Robert Rodriguez, put him on Speaker phone and make him do a Q&A with this audience dying for official PREDATORS news. Robert gracefully began a 30-45 minute Q&A with the audience. Telling us that the CG is very minimal - and that there was just a single green screen shot in the entire production - otherwise - they built the environments and sets or found location. KNB built a ton or practical stuff - and the CG is enhancements mainly - and the "dogs" when they're running and dynamic. That went over very well with this MODEL orientated crowd. Robert also shared that in the adaptation process from his crazy expensive treatment - to what Nimrod shot was a process that involved having to watch the AVP films to see what they had done, that might have been in that treatment. As Robert didn't want to repeat those beats. But mainly - he felt that in taking PREDATORS into space and into a non-Earth film... he wanted to get our feet wet here - with the idea of taking us the rest of the way in the next PREDATORS - which depending on the success of this film, will possibly take us to the PREDATORS homeworld. Wait! You thought that was this film? No. The planet here is like the Predators' Hunting preserve. They drop various dangerous things to hunt on this planet and let the things interact, fight and they enter the fray as well. I even got the notion that perhaps even Predator outcasts might be placed here to be hunted. BUT he didn't say that directly. You will see some Predator extra gizmos, you'll also see PREDATORS fighting in different techniques - to show that perhaps... there could be different disciplines that the Predators explore as hunters and warriors. I find that a relief. Hopefully that'll translate to different kinds of armor and dress. I'll add more to this column later today, I have to check out of the hotel right now - and go enjoy the Edgar Rice Burroughs museum!!! See you later!

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  • May 17, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    KNB is a great FX house.

    by Mennen

  • May 17, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    The thing about the thing is.....

    by zufflezipperfish

    Why remake one of the best sci-fi films ever?

  • May 17, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Different disciplines?

    by MC-909

    Great, Kung-Fu Predators.

  • May 17, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    So Robert Rodriquez just called....

    by vic twenty

    And said Sly was too damn short to fit in one of the new Predator costumes. <p> Nice work Harold!

  • May 17, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by JoeD

  • May 17, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    to sell toys...

    by moorE12

  • May 17, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    No Ghostbusters 3 news? I'm out...

    by Mike_D

  • May 17, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Thats a pretty badass line-up

    by Dharma4

  • May 17, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Latex does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Whether or not THE THING remake and Nimrod's PREDATORS end up as sci-fi classics remains to be seen...<p> But I do like the idea of seeing the original model of the Nostromo from ALIEN restored (no photo Harry?). Got me thinking whether the full-size LIFEFORCE zombie (you know the emaciated one from the gurney) and models of The Thing itself actually still exist?<p> Are these things made out of some kinda latex foam? And do they sorta dry up and crumble away after a few years? Sad if that's the case... anyone know?

  • May 17, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    harry;s post are like perez hilton posts

    by Bathman

    harry you really sold out, you do know celebs only like you because you are headgeek and if you tell us to like something we do

  • May 17, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    how bout pics?

    by hey...jonboy

    it would be nice to see some pictures of this shit. whats the deal?

  • May 17, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead

    by Judge Briggs

    Man, I can't wait to see how they do this one up. I really hope they can keep most of the hardcore stuff in there.

  • May 17, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Just wondering...

    by bobbyperusteeth

    ...Is Rob Bottin doing anything for The Thing prequel?

  • May 17, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    What the fuck?

    by loafroaster

    Completely unreadable.

  • May 17, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    i gave up after harry said he was doing shots with the hulk

    by Bathman

    At that point i was just like meh, this is just another one of harry's name dropping blog posts

  • May 17, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    ALWAYS skip the first 5 paragraphs of a Harry article

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    That's when he actually starts talking about the subject. Pretty much a constant of the universe.</p><p>This stuff sounds great but it would be even better if we had video! Why does nobody ever video record these things?

  • May 17, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    What RETURN_of_FETT said above.

    by fiester

    You can pretty much take it as an absolute that the entire opening half of anything Harry writes will be rambling filler that has nothing to do with the reason why you clicked on the link. <p>

  • May 17, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    KNB aren't doing The Thing Prequel

    by Bileranter

    ADI are doing it so whatever he had it sound like it was to try and get the job or a "fan" job. It's a prequel not a sequel. I'm open to this one. Could work.Know how it ends at any rate.

  • May 17, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Oh, so there's actually no news or information here at all...

    by AngrySmurf

    Just Harry 'press agenting' for his friends again, saying how awesome they are and how everything they touch pisses coolness in giant yellow streams that taste of rainbows and lollipops. Yeah, great, thanks so much for that. It sure made my day fucking complete.

  • May 17, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I agree, skip the first 5 parapgraphs.. pretty mastabatory

    by moorE12

  • May 17, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hehe

    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Harry! Good to hear you and Yoko got trashed with Lou Ferrigno. That's just supremely excellent.<p> And it's good to hear "Predators" is a model-heavy movie, not a CG fest. That instantly makes me want to see it in the theater. I love those old Predator designs, so hopefully Nimrod steps up and kicks our asses. Hard. Can't wait to see this (gasp!) R-rated film.<p> And the fact "The Thing" is re-emerging just jangles my nerves. I hope they go all out on it.<p> Good news all around.

  • May 17, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The Thing prequels doesn't bode well

    by AsimovLives

    I have a bad feeling about it.

  • May 17, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Bourbon

    by kahootz

    Tell us more about that bourbon. And you bought the Stout's "Peace 2007" giclee before I could get my hands on it! Pisser!

  • May 17, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    MORE Physical Effects plz! LESS Digital crap!

    by calloway98

    Am I tho only one who feels this way?

  • May 17, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Bilerantor, agreed it's ADI

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    At least according to IMDB. However effects are often farmed out to multpile companies. For example Stan Winston did the dog effect in Carpenter's The Thing because Bottin couldn't do it all himself.

  • May 17, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The Thang - Thing in the Hood

    by Bileranter

    or" The Things".....think about it....oh yeah

  • May 17, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Harry's first 5 paragraphs or the words...

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    "BUT ANYWAY", "THAT ALL SAID", "BUT YOU KNOW" "SO WHAT DID I.." - When you see those words, start reading.

  • May 17, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Great review Harry

    by hallmitchell

    I liked the panels you talked about.

  • May 17, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Did your wife say " crisis, crisis".

    by hallmitchell

    I heard that's what all Japanese girls say when they get wasted.

  • May 17, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    So Arnold Schwarzenegger just called..

    by Axl Z

    He won't be back.. (to cameo!)

  • May 17, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Ve gotto get to da choppa!

    by umbral_shadow_

    You can imagine the conversation between rodriguez and Nimrod. Rodriguez: "I'd like to show the Predator homeworld but I don't have a clue what it'll look like". *Nimrod scratches his ass* Nimrod: "Hey, let's just do it in a jungle setting, ya know that'll be easy!" Rodriguez: "yeah, good idea. And we'll get that fat douche Harry to really pimp it as something smart and original when its really just a rehash of the original". Nimrod: "yeah, let's do that".

  • May 17, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I don't get this "No Ghostbusters news? I'm out..." thing

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    I understand most of the AICN 'catchphrases' that come about but this one has me stumped. Did someone say it in an article that I've missed or something?

  • May 17, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    we will be expecting a full and detailed report

    by frank cotton

    on the E.R.B museum

  • May 17, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    No Ghostbusters 3 news? I'm out too...

    by I_shot_Cyrus

  • May 17, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    McGregor has replaced Depp in Gilliams "Don Quixote"..

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

    http://www.imdb.com/news/ni2478683/ ...and OF COURSE, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND ON AICN

  • May 17, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Robert Kirkman

    by Himbo

    I'm a little surprised you didn't try to reach him re Walking Dead. He lives in Lexington (a scant 70ish miles down the road from Louisville). He might have even been AT the con.

  • May 17, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Ahh Famous Monster of Filmland

    by disfigurehead

    I lived and breathed it and now I have every issue Uncle Forry did

  • May 17, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by Bag_of_Hammers

    You say they're the most awesome zombies you've seen and then use Life Force and Return of the Living Dead as the gold standard for comparison? Have you seen either of those two movies in the last 20 years? Other than nekkid Mathilda May and Linnea Quigley, those flicks are to Zombie movies what Adam West is to Batman.

  • May 17, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Harry, you dropped something

    by JackSlater4

  • May 17, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    A prediction for Harry's Predator review

    by GodMars

    No matter how bad it *may* end up being, he is going to slobber all over it and tell us how awesome it is.

  • May 17, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead comic book...

    by elBox

    is one of the best comics being published right now. If you haven't read it then you owe it to yourself. I can't wait to see what Frank will do with this. I just watched Mist in black and white on Bluray. If you have netflix add the second disc of Mist to your que. It would be very interesting to have the t.v. show black and white like the comic book is. Plus, zombies just look scarier in black and white. Just ask Romero.

  • May 17, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Harry, you didn't even talk about the Thing prequel!!!

    by Wookie_Weed

    Even though it's going to SUCK.

  • May 17, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    stop the nonsense. predators will be shit.

    by HaterofCrap

    the cast is lame. the producer is lame, and the director is...who the fuck knows what the director is, i've never heard of him. but his name is nimrod.

  • May 17, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Agree with Angrysmurf...

    by Boober

    Not even a pic...One big "I'm f-cking awesome or lucky or awesomely lucky because I moderated this and saw that, that, and that...oh sorry, no pics or vids." WHAAAAAAA??? I want my 180 seconds and 200 hb back, jerk. Next time bring something to actually put BETWEEN the two slices of bread before you tempt us with an information sandwich.

  • May 17, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    The cast of Predators is lame?

    by Jaka

    Ummm, I think a lot of things about what that movie is going to end up being, but watching a lame cast has never been one of them.

  • May 17, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    predators: starring laurence fishburne's monotone!

    by HaterofCrap

    yes...the cast is lame. that little mexican guy is played out too.

  • May 17, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Scratches head....

    by Jaka

    Danny Trejo, Larry Fishburne, Topher Grace, Adrien "The Nose" Brody and Alice Braga are lame? Come on Hater, really? I mean, if they went with a bunch of the current "hot" young actors of the moment, or a bunch of "up and comers", then I could see the lame. I think that cast is pretty freakin' solid.

  • May 17, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    "Cautiously optimistic" is Harry's default setting

    by reflecto

    "Gushingly positive about anything committed to film" is his full-power mode. It does not matter how shit Thing is. He will praise it because he thinks these people are his good buddies. THEY'RE NOT.

  • May 17, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm with kahootz... which bourbon?

    by ebonic_plague

    I can't drink the super high octane shit like Bookers, but I bought a bottle of Blanton's not too long ago and that was some of the tastiest booze I've ever had the pleasure of imbibing. Though I imagine most any kind of bourbon would be improved by being served by the Hulk himself.

  • May 17, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    "Drink this bourbon of I'll get very, very angry. You..."

    by Jaka

    Well, you know.

  • May 17, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead intro...

    by skellngtn

    i assume they'll tweak the beginning of the WD episode 1. i always thought the comic started off WAY too much like 28 Days Later. the average Joe'll write it off a ripoff before giving it a chance. I hope it lasts for years as they follow the group around the country

  • May 17, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    has to be better than

    by frank cotton

    AvP2 - how could it not be?

  • May 17, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    god you people are jealous assholes

    by BadMrWonka

    Harry went to an event and moderated a panel...he talked about the event, what he did, who was there, and THE PANEL HE MODERATED.<p>if you shit your pants in an angry rage whenever Harry mentions meeting or knowing a celebrity, why they fuck would you come to this site? just fuck off.<p>god, this phony, whiny indignation is just pathetic. if you don't like Harry, or his writing, or any of the myriad of other things about this site that everyone whines about AD NAUSEUM, why not just STOP COMING HERE?<p>seriously, this is not a rhetorical question. can one of you whiny idiots from above tell me why you keep coming back so a site that seems to fill you with rage, keep reading articles by a guy you seem to hate and whose writing you say you hate reading, and log into a talkback to complain that Harry, his articles, and HIS WEBSITE is not catered to your specific whims and desires.<p>I'm honestly asking. plenty of us love the site, and love Harry. I've been reading this site my entire adult life (I'm 30), and I take it personally when all of you whiny jerks feel like it's your duty to shit all over everything because not every single thing in the universe is exactly how you want it. it's fucking pathetic. if you don't like AICN, fuck off, and don't let the doorknob hit your itchy vagina on the way out.

  • May 17, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Although I think Harry's bad grammar and hyperbole...

    by Jaka

    ...can both get a little bit annoying at times (and worthy of a friendly jibe here and there), I generally agree with ya BadMrWonka. My favorites are the people who tell him to stop writing here... at his site. lol Riiiight.

  • May 17, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Also, I think Harry fucks with people

    by Jaka

    I think he reads a decent percentage of each talkback and he knows all the complaints people make. It's clear he knows because from time to time he'll respond. So when you take that into account before reading one of his posts, and then you see that he's done THE EXACT SAME THING! Well, I think he dudes just got some really thick skin (no pun intended) and he likes to fuck with the people who make those complaints. A big, "haha you are powerless to stop me, bitches!" kinda thing.

  • May 17, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Why they do it? Simple: Because they can. Because they're weak, cowardly assholes who take it out on the guy that won't fight back. Because by hiding behind a pseudonym gives them the power to do what they are too afraid to do in their real lives. Because in real life mouthing off to their boss would get them fired. Because mouthing off to their parents would get them thrown out. Because mouthing off to that guy in the the theatre that keeps talking during the movie would get them beaten to a pulp. They can get on here and say whatever shit to their host that they want and not pay the possible price. At the end of the day they're pathetic nobodies that aren't smart enough, creative enough or brave enough to start a site like this or make a movie like the ones they tear down on daily basis and they know that. Every time they look in the mirror they are reminded of that fact. Harry carries a part of the blame here as well. All this insulting no matter how bad it gets means people are still coming to the site and he wants that traffic. So when it comes down to it all you brave Harry haters are being played by the object of your derision. Well done assholes.

  • May 17, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah lot's of jealousy here.....

    by Joe Huber

    A lot of these bitches bitching would give their nuts (if they had any) to be Harry and visit movie sets, get calls from Sly and all the other shit. According to these guys they don't like anything, never liked anything and never will like anything. I bet a lot of them have mommy issues.

  • May 17, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    That being said (tm)

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Wondercon sounds like a great time. i'll have to check one out some day

  • May 17, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    excuse me,

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    WonderFEST

  • May 17, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Pics of the Nostromo model...

    by BurnHollywood

    http://tinyurl.com/23x5b5m

  • May 17, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    "Only... this was mixed with more "wet" than either of those"

    by Immortal_Fish

    More wet than the Tarman, Harry? And you claim to know your gore. Shame.

  • May 17, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Details on the Nostromo restoration...

    by BurnHollywood

    http://tinyurl.com/28jj49b<p> Does it warrant pointing out how insanely cool it would be if the original model were to wind up in Scott's prequels somewhere? No? I thought not...

  • May 17, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Alien and The Black Hole

    by Briannicus

    The Nostromo and Maximillian in the same room....sweeet!!!! http://tinyurl.com/2brhajz

  • May 18, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Thing Part 2

    by brandonbreaks

    after the prequel. Some Things ;-] Hey why not

  • May 18, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Adventures of Tarman:

    by brandonbreaks

    Mo' Better Brains. Harry does not appear.

  • May 18, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    When Harry Met Hulk:

    by brandonbreaks

    The Bourbon Diaries

  • May 18, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I need to know more about the AURORA documentry!!

    by BenBraddock

  • May 18, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Keep drinking that Kool-Ade folks...

    by AngrySmurf

    I hear it makes your dick bigger. Not that you could actually be bigger dicks to begin with.

  • May 18, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Thanks MrWonka

    by mygirleatsbannanas

    Im sick of the inevitable complaints.Im grateful to get info on events i could never attend.

  • May 18, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    ENOUGH WITH THE CATCHPHRASES PLEASE

    by DonLogan

  • May 18, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    "Kool-Ade"??

    by BadMrWonka

    is this what we've come to as a society? kids can't even spell "Kool-Aid" properly anymore?

  • May 18, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Angry, but not brainy smurf

    by quantize

    obviously..

  • May 18, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Okay glad that

    by Genre_Baby

    Greg is aboard for the Thing prequel fx. Hopefully, Uni won't screw him over the way they did Rick Baker's FX in The Wolfman. At least Greg will honor Bottin & crew designs. But I'm still very wary about a Thing film that includes women especially after seeing the extremely boring The Last Winter the other day.

  • May 18, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I wanna know more about the AURORA doc. too!

    by Cervantes

    Good to know that the freakish 'double-headed' thing is going to make an appearance in the prequel/rehash at least. That design always creeped me out in Carpenter's version.<P>A big part of the Carpenter version's success for me was the minimalistic, eerie score by Ennio Morricone. I sure hope that the makers keep to a similarly basic, sombre soundtrack, rather than some schitzoprenic, 'actiony'-type score.<P>And on a related note, I hope that this Predator sequel has a good thumping score too that references the original music. It just won't seem very Predator-like without it...

  • May 18, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    All remakes and sequels suck...

    by WarrenSmooth

    except they don't.

  • May 18, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Genre_Baby

    by Bileranter

    again, KNB ain't doing The Thing. ADI are doing it.

  • May 18, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Yes, it's true, ADI absolutely did the FX for the new THING preq

    by GreenSkinFlatHead

    and the THING head that is visible in Greg's PREDATORS presentation is entirely a KNB recreation of classic image made solely for a short (fan) film "United Monster Talent Agency" for Greg's 'directing' reel (TRUE).

  • May 18, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Guy in a rubber suit

    by dahveed1972

    Not sure why everyone is so excited about the new Predator movie. And why would your average 20 year old get excited about what is obviously a guy in a rubber suit? After 20 plus years dont you think its time for a major overhaul of the creature design? The Aliens are different, as the design has evolved over the years, and wasnt as obvioulsy humanoid from the beginning. Creature from the black lagoon with a crab face doesnt really cut it anymore. Just sayin

  • May 18, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead

    by dahveed1972

    And yes I am stoked for the new series. After the uncompromising The Mist, Darabont is perfect. And AMC is a good fit, though its a shame it will have to be somewhat toned down for basic cable. HBO or SHO wouldve been awesome.

  • May 18, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    My dyslexia excuses my, at times, muddled spelling...

    by AngrySmurf

    What's your excuse for your, at all times, being a cunt?

  • May 18, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    KNB do seem to be the go-to guys for monster

    by skimn

    and gore effects nowadays for flicks like The Mist and Tarantino's (Kill Bill, Basterds, etc), but did Rodriguez consider contacting Shane Mahan? After all, it was Winston's studio that did the original. As far as "man-in-suit", why not consider a combination of make-up and CGI ala Blade 2?

  • May 18, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    not too much of KNB's stuff made it in the Mist

    by Bileranter

    A lot of it was CGI in the end.

  • May 18, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    hey, i was bored at work..

    by soup74

    so i figured id come down to AICN to bitch about stuff.. thats always fun!... hmmm, why is everybody being so quiet? What's that awkward feeling in the room?

  • May 18, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Twinkie Pede

    by JackSlater4

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  • May 18, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Bileranter

    by skimn

    I'd say monster work was about 50/50 (pharmacy spiders, flying creature in store) on The Mist, but the bug bite swollen make-up on the clerk and the burn make up was very effective also.

  • May 18, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by Bileranter

    Fair enough. Flying thing was all CG though. Make up was great. Heard Rob Bottin kind of retired mostly with him money to keep him warm.

  • May 18, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    MENTALDOMINANCE

    by Bileranter

    Maybe going Practical didn't work. Sometimes, no matter how great the work and the planning, things don't work when it counts and has be worked around by "fixing" it with CG.

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  • May 18, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    The models sound great, Harry

    by Cathy904

    The models, especially The Nostromo, sound great, wish we could see some pictures. Also the panel on Predator sounded like a lot of fun. Not to mention getting drunk with Lou Ferrigno. ;)

  • May 18, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Cathy904

    by BurnHollywood

    Posted a link above. Thing needs to be in the Smithsonian, or the British Museum, anyway...

  • May 18, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    If I won the lottery...

    by Ironhelix

    ...I would spend it all to get that Nostromo model.

  • May 18, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Nostromo model restoration video...

    by Ironhelix

    http://tinyurl.com/mlhwrx

  • May 18, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    The problem with CGI...

    by AngrySmurf

    ...is not in the tool itself, but in the tools that use it. <p>Fact is, unless you have the absolute best guys in the biz on payroll, and something like a 150 million dollar plus budget, CGI just isn't capable of giving you creature effects that feel like real living and breathing animals, with naturalistic fluidity of movement and a genuine sense of weight and balance and presence. And even if you do have that kind of budget, it's still only a 50/50 shot, and is best used in combination with real practical effects to truly sell the creatures in question as real. <p>Because the fact remains that for creature effects real and practical is still superior to CGI, and certainly to just using CGI alone, because practical effects done right have an authenticity on the screen that CGI can never fully achieve. <p>CGI is great for a lot of other things, for things like digital matte work and the creation of worlds and landscapes and vistas that wouldn't be either possible or practical to do live and in camera, and for that stuff it can add a hell of a lot to a production. Expansive architectures, vehicle motion tracking control, massive crowd replication, all those kinds of things, in the right hands, can produce stunning imagery that really can benefit the right film a tremendous amount if handled correctly. But some things just need the life that doing them in camera and via practical effects brings to the screen. There's a realness and a legitimacy and a tactile sense to practical effects, because they share the same space and the same reality to the actors and the rest of the filmic on camera world, and to see so many film makers going further and further away from recognising and utilising that honestly depresses the hell out of me. <p>Unfortunately much of hollywood seems to look at CGI these days as "the great problem solver", which ironically enough is the cause of many a films problems. If something goes wrong on set, don't worry, don't go back and try and get it right, just "fix it in post". Practical effects look like they'd be a pain in the arse build and get right, and would take a lot of time and effort? Pah, don't bother about it then, we'll just CGI that instead. And that seems to be the overwhelming hollywood attitude these days, CGI as universal band aid fix-it to everything. And with thinking that CGI is their safety net directors have gotten lazy and half assed, unwilling to spend the time and hard work, the care and attention it takes to get that one great shot, or to achieve those painful, but in the end oh-so-worthwhile and far more convincing, practical effects, when instead they can just move forward and hand it to the CGI guys to work on later. <p>So this is my plea. No doubt it'll fall on deaf ears, but I'll say it regardless. Stop being so fucking lazy hollywood! Take some pride in your work again! Look at all the colors available on your filmic palette, and carefully choose which one is truly best in any given situation, then spend the care and attention and effort it takes to make each one of those choices pay off to their full potential. Stop thinking your job is supposed to be as easy as possible, and jumping at every possible CGI shortcut that means that's one less thing for you to do and have to get right each day, and instead go back to trying to deliver the impossible with every trick in your repertoire, using every ounce of creativity and cunning available to you in order to make us truly believe in what you are trying to sell us on screen. Want blood in your film? Use a fucking squib, not a computer. Open your eyes and realise that for certain things the old ways are still the best ways, even if it means things are going to take longer, and be more frustrating to get just right. Because the end result is worth it, and will last far longer, and age far better, than whatever today's latest wizz bang software can spit out instead.

  • May 18, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Whatever...

    by Sicuv Uyall

    I know somebody who loves every M. Night Shyamalan movie ever made, and thinks Last Airbender will be the greatest movie ever. So when I read lame ass opinions here, that sort of puts everything in perspective. Even the self-righteous ones should have a say, right AngrySmurf???

  • May 18, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Sicuv Uyall

    by AngrySmurf

    Honestly I don't think any of it matters. We're all just basically pissing into the wind anyway. Having our say or our little rants because we can, not because anyone is listening or anybody cares or anyone is going to take anything we say onboard and it will actually make some kind of difference. We're all just thinking out loud here. Sometimes it's ugly, sometimes it's funny, mostly it's just white noise, and anyone who thinks any different about anything that goes on in these talkbacks is majorly fucking deluding themselves. But you know what? If that's the case then that's okay too, nothing wrong with a little delusionary escape, just so long as you're not hurting anybody, or spending your whole life in such a state.

  • May 18, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    MENTALDOMINANCE

    by AngrySmurf

    You nailed it when you basically said the best CGI is the CGI that you never notice, and that these effects are supposed to be invisible and immersive, not shouting "look at me, aren't I fucking cool" every five seconds. Unfortunately the masses do vote with their wallets, and most of them seem to say "I do likes me some shiny", so we're pretty much in a fucked filmic minority no matter which way we want to cut it, or wish otherwise.

  • May 18, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I envy you your optomism

    by AngrySmurf

    Sadly though, I don't share it. I don't believe that one man can make a difference. I don't believe that the majority of people give a shit about quality. I don't believe that smart or unique stands much of a chance against generic and easily digestible. I don't believe there is anyone much left in hollywood that would actively choose quality over box office success, or who wouldn't sacrifice the former if it guaranteed them the latter. I don't believe that a few people taking the higher ground will force the majority to get off their fat, lazy asses. I just don't believe. I wish I still did, but I've been on this rock long enough to have all my optomism well and truly beaten out of me by the daily onslaught of the way things are. I hope you can hold on to your optomism of a better tomorrow pal, but mine is long dead.

  • May 18, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    The problem is...

    by AngrySmurf

    Even on a site like this, full of "film fans", how many people actually saw Inland Empire? And how many saw Transformers 2? In the war of art versus entertainment I fear that entertainment is going to win every time, even on the days when it's not even all that entertaining to begin with.<p>Honestly I thank the filmic Gods that we still have guys like Lynch and a handful of others out there, doing their thing the way they want to do it, but at the same time they seem to be an ever more dying breed, and it depresses the hell out of me that most of them have to scrimp and beg and petition just to get enough of a budget together to even make a low budget film thee days. Meanwhile guys like Brett Ratner are showered in money and have their pick of multimillion dollar projects.

  • May 18, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I saw Inland Empire, and it pissed me off

    by Jaka

    (But so did Mulholland Dr) Still haven't seen Transformers 2 and don't intend to. Have no idea how that fits in to any of the above arguments. Just wanted to make a bunch of incomplete statement sentences.

  • May 18, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    I agree Jaka

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    The one thing not to hate about Predators IMO is the cast. And who gives a fuck Brody doesn't fit the typical action guy mold. We already got plenty of that version in the original (one of my favorite movies ever btw). It will be interesting to see what he does with it--I'd rather have a good actor than some dude from the CW. As for how this movie will turn out overall? I'm skeptical. AvP and AvP2 will do that to you.

  • May 19, 2010, 5:34 a.m. CST

    MENTALDOMINANCE i disagree

    by ominus

    in Avatar,the face of Neytiri and Jake looked very organic and realistic to me.Especially in the scene where it was raining and Neytiri was talking to Jake,her face was almost alive.its not a coincidence that some people who didnt now the technology behind the movie,thought that they used makeup for the Navi. <p>CGI is a technology which is evolving continuously and eventually will give us the 100% realistically living creatures.it has to, otherwise how i am going to get my Holodeck?

  • May 19, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Brody will poke the Predator in his eye

    by ominus

    with his big nose and then kill him with his weapons while the Predator is half-blind.yep he is not your typical action hero alright.

  • May 20, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    I'd watch any remake...

    by eyeball22

    with Mary Elizabeth Winstead in it.. Just saying..

  • May 20, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Harry drunk on bourbon?

    by MaxTheSilent

    Yipes! Keep your distance when he tips over. ;-)

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  • May 22, 2010, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Just Watched Avatar on Bluray...

    by elBox

    and Metaldominance is absolutely right. The movement of the characters' faces and entire bodies in space is still off. It looks like they all had full body botox. The problem is the complexity of the natural world is too much for computers to recreate accurately. <P> On a side note. I loved Avatar on Imax 3D and thought it was awful on Bluray. The story is terrible and without the distraction of a 3D Imax screen the effects were kind of underwhelming. James Cameron could have created any kind of creatures imaginable and came up with six legged horses. The flight scenes were still great but the rest of the movie was absolute crap. Especially the acting. Giovanni Ribisi was totally miscast and Sigourney Weaver seemed to act down to the writing. This was easily her worst part in a movie that I've ever seen.

  • May 22, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    GreenSkinFlatHead...

    by Cervantes

    ...thanks for confirming that the wierd 'two-headed' prop was not made by those involved in the prequel.<P>Oh well, I'll go back to just being merely hopeful for this movie then. It sure would have been nice to know that the rehash was going to include that freaky design...

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  • May 22, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I'm back! The Curse of Wonderfest, etc.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    My laptop died a horrible death last week; just another curse that seemed to cloud around the start of Wonderfest last weekend, but I'm back with a new computer and a vengeance! I enjoyed Harry's write up. He and I went to the Edgar Rice Burroughs Collection Museum last Sunday, and it was an amazing experience. The Old Dark Clubhouse at Wonderfest was incredible, as usual, I'm just sorry I've been offline all week and have missed all the follow-up!

  • May 23, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Cervantes

    by GreenSkinFlatHead

    Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the original and I always thought that the weird two-headed stretchy prop was one of the cooler images from Rob Bottin's mind. Sadly, at least from what I've heard from some people close to the prequel, is that the practical "creatures" made for this one aren't very cool at all -- a bunch of parts glued together using old molds from past shows such as "Alien Resurrection" & the AVP's with very little new sculptures and little time dedicated to the paint jobs. The rest is apparently a bunch of (probably poor) cg. (sigh)

  • May 27, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Predators + Expendables... I can't wait...

    by The_Ritty

    I really hope Arnie and/or Danny Glover show up at the end...it would make sense for either one of them to have been picked up some time ago and dropped off but remained alive - hidden. Love this aspect and hope it plays out... 2 movies I'm jizzin (in my pants) for..

  • May 30, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Body count in "Predators"

    by jawsfan

    (No, not Ice-T's rock band Body Count). If the humans have been abducted and are in a game preserve on the Predators' home planet, then there's no chance the human survivors could or would be able to get back home. That said, it only makes sense that they all would die, either onscreen or implied. The more you know....