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‘Let’s Do This!!’ Sunday Slams Shut The First Decade Of CBS' SURVIVOR!!
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I am – Hercules!!
That’s right: 10 years of “Survivor.” The first episode aired May 31, 2000 and AICN had the planet’s only (however brief) pre-air review of the first episode.
The ever-unhappy Rupert Boneham is now 0 for 3, the latest in a long line of contestants to find Russell Hantz’s machete in his back.
Only one hero left in that wretched hive of scum and villainy:
HERO
Colby Donaldson
VILLAINS
Sandra Diaz-Twine
Russell Hantz
Jerri Manthey
Parvati Shallow
The villains do NOT want Colby in that final three. The good news for the villains is Colby seems useless at challenges nearly a decade after his first season.
Unlike Parvati! Who just wins and wins. And keeps demonstrating loyalty to her tribe, distributing idols to Jerri and Sandra and fighting the expulsion of Danielle. Plus she looks great in a buff. She’s got my vote.
I have to say, if Hantz makes the final three, I congratulate him, Jeff Probst and Mark Burnett for a brilliant piece of misdirection at the 19th season reunion show in December. Having just lost to Natalie White, Hantz offered White $100,000 if she would declare him “sole survivor.” This had me convinced Russell had not made the finals this season. (Both the 19th and 20th seasons were shot last summer.)
Survivor’s final Thursday episode this season was again that night’s top show:
Thursday 18-49 finals (repeats in gray; previous in parentheses):
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3.9 (3.8) (3.8) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (3.5) (3.7) (----) (3.9) (4.0) (1.3) (3.7) (4.4) (4.5) Grey’s Anatomy
3.7 (1.3) (1.4) (1.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) NBA Playoffs
3.4 (3.5) (3.6) (3.2) (1.6) (1.9) (1.7) (3.5) (3.6) (3.8) (4.7) (----) (----) (3.7) (3.8) The Office
3.2 (3.3) (3.2) (3.0) (2.4) (3.5) (2.7) (----) (----) (3.4) (3.2) (2.2) (1.9) (3.7) (3.3) Mentalist
3.2 (2.8) (2.9) (2.3) (1.1) (1.1) (2.6) (2.9) (1.0) (2.8) (2.7) (1.0) (2.8) (3.1) (3.3) Private Practice
3.0 (3.1) (3.0) (2.8) (3.0) (3.4) (2.8) (----) (----) (3.3) (3.7) (1.7) (1.7) (----) (3.2) CSI
2.5 (2.6) (2.7) (2.5) (----) (1.6) (----) (2.9) (3.0) (2.9) (----) (----) (----) (2.8) (2.9) 30 Rock
2.6 (2.5) (2.6) (2.5) (2.9) (2.8) (2.4) (1.6) (1.6) (-----) (----) (----) (1.6) (2.1) (3.3) Bones
2.3 (2.2) (2.0) (2.1) (2.5) (2.3) (2.2) (1.1) (1.2) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (2.6) Fringe
2.0 (2.0) (1.9) (1.6) (----) (1.2) (----) (2.1) (2.0) (1.9) (2.3) (----) (----) (2.3) (2.3) Community
2.0 (1.9) (1.9) (----) (----) (1.3) (----) (2.0) (2.0) (2.1) (2.3) (----) (----) (2.3) (2.3) Parks and Recreation
1.7 (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.3) (1.6) (0.5) (0.5) (1.0) (0.7) (0.7) (1.5) (1.9) Vampire Diaries
1.6 (2.2) (1.9) (1.9) (-----) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (2.9) (2.6) (3.4) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) The Marriage Ref
1.3 (1.3) (1.6) (1.6) (1.4) (1.6) (1.5) (1.8) (1.9) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (-----) FlashForward
1.3 (1.2) (1.1) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (1.0) (1.1) Supernatural
1.1 (1.2) (1.0) (0.9) (----) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (-----) Real Housewives NYC
0.8 (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (----) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) The First 48
0.4 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (0.3) (----) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) TNA Impact
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4.1 (4.1) (4.1) (3.6) (3.8) (3.8) (3.5) (3.4) (----) (3.6) (3.8) (3.7) (3.9) (4.5) (----) Survivor
3.9 (3.8) (3.8) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (3.5) (3.7) (----) (3.9) (4.0) (1.3) (3.7) (4.4) (4.5) Grey’s Anatomy
3.7 (1.3) (1.4) (1.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) NBA Playoffs
3.4 (3.5) (3.6) (3.2) (1.6) (1.9) (1.7) (3.5) (3.6) (3.8) (4.7) (----) (----) (3.7) (3.8) The Office
3.2 (3.3) (3.2) (3.0) (2.4) (3.5) (2.7) (----) (----) (3.4) (3.2) (2.2) (1.9) (3.7) (3.3) Mentalist
3.2 (2.8) (2.9) (2.3) (1.1) (1.1) (2.6) (2.9) (1.0) (2.8) (2.7) (1.0) (2.8) (3.1) (3.3) Private Practice
3.0 (3.1) (3.0) (2.8) (3.0) (3.4) (2.8) (----) (----) (3.3) (3.7) (1.7) (1.7) (----) (3.2) CSI
2.5 (2.6) (2.7) (2.5) (----) (1.6) (----) (2.9) (3.0) (2.9) (----) (----) (----) (2.8) (2.9) 30 Rock
2.6 (2.5) (2.6) (2.5) (2.9) (2.8) (2.4) (1.6) (1.6) (-----) (----) (----) (1.6) (2.1) (3.3) Bones
2.3 (2.2) (2.0) (2.1) (2.5) (2.3) (2.2) (1.1) (1.2) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (2.6) Fringe
2.0 (2.0) (1.9) (1.6) (----) (1.2) (----) (2.1) (2.0) (1.9) (2.3) (----) (----) (2.3) (2.3) Community
2.0 (1.9) (1.9) (----) (----) (1.3) (----) (2.0) (2.0) (2.1) (2.3) (----) (----) (2.3) (2.3) Parks and Recreation
1.7 (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.3) (1.6) (0.5) (0.5) (1.0) (0.7) (0.7) (1.5) (1.9) Vampire Diaries
1.6 (2.2) (1.9) (1.9) (-----) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (2.9) (2.6) (3.4) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) The Marriage Ref
1.3 (1.3) (1.6) (1.6) (1.4) (1.6) (1.5) (1.8) (1.9) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (-----) FlashForward
1.3 (1.2) (1.1) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (1.0) (1.1) Supernatural
1.1 (1.2) (1.0) (0.9) (----) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (----) (-----) (----) (-----) (-----) Real Housewives NYC
0.8 (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (----) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) The First 48
0.4 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (0.3) (----) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) TNA Impact
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He could have made it but just not won. Jurys hate him.
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1st whores...sucks that I already know who the final 3 are. I hate being spoiled like that. Next year I need to stay away from talkbacks all season long which is next to impossible. I wish they could guard that information better.
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Sums her up perfectly.
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Sums her up perfectly.
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*applause*
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Both her first and last name have issues. Every time I mention the show and her to someone they go, "Her first name is Poverty???" "No, Parvati." "Right, Poverty."
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Shes fuckin pretty hot, I mean ya she can be annoying but if you seen her just lying around on a beach somewhere and didn't know her you would walk by that quite a few times heh.
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She won't though.
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I like Russell, he is a great contestant.
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I used to hate Sandra, but now I have a grudging respect for her. For someone who can't win a challenge and seems to have a difficult (not charming) personality, she plays a mean game. I predict she'll win. If she and Russell and Parvati make the finals, she'll get the most votes, because she is the least hated of the three, and she tried to work with the Heroes right after the merge. Russell will get zero votes in the final. Parvati might get a couple. I don't think Jerri is samrt to get passed Russell, Sandra and Parvati. Colby is a dead man walking.
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that will be to both their benefit. both think their only chance is be pitted against the other.
everyone wants to go against Russell.
he's the best chance at number 2.
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This is a nine juror, three person finale.
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Of all the contestants left, only Russell deserves to win. He got screwed last season and I can only assume he will get screwed again this season. Is he the most villainous, hated, backstabbing contestant of all time? Yes, but he is also quite possibly the greatest player of all time also. If Sandra or Parvati win tonight, I will be sitting here severely disappointed once again.
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*doh*
okay if Colby makes it in he'll win
if he doesn't and Jerry does she'll win.
If neither of them make it Sandra will win.
I can't see Russell or Parvati winning it in a 3 person final.
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Babe, tomorrow's so far away
There's something I just have to say
I think I can hide my meat deep inside,
your cameltoe, knowin' I love you.
And I, I'm getting too close again
im gonna cum on your rear end.
If I bone you tonight will you feel nice and tight...
And walk away knowin' I love you?
I'm gonna take you by surprise
And make you realize, Amanda
I'm gonna hump you by the door,
take you to the final four, Amanda.
My love for you is vital, here take my immunity idol, Amanda!!!
I love you
And I feel like today's the day
Lookin' for the words to say
Do you wanna be free, have a threesome with Parvati,To feel this way...blah blah blah....you know....to the tune of Bostons Amanda......i replaced lyrics....get it? Anyway...she was hot. Call her, Playboy!!! -
I know u just trolling but for this crowd to still be making semi-long talkbacks for a show in its 20th season you can't say its boring. Hot chicks and back stabbing never gets old. Also if I had to bet I would lay it all on Sandra. Colby sleptwalk the whole way here and will lose any challange thats left to play. Jerri can't beat Russell or Parvati in challanges especially physical ones. Sandra will hang on by the skin of her teeth because I think both Russell and Parv both think that no one likes her and think she will be the weakest for the final challange. I want Parvati to win it all, I think she is just as good as Russell in playing the game. Everyone was gunning for her from the start as she is a flirt and already won but here she is yet again. But it will be Sandra.
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Is it just me or does he look emaciated? He couldn't be sick and be on the show. and I know they haven't had much to eat but he was really thin going in.
And he's sucked at challenges.
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YOu say reality tv is boring, but then you want to discuss Big Brother. YOur comments are all over the place. If that's not Trolling, then I don't know what is. Besides, your "amazed" that people like a show you don't watch? Where is the logic in that comment?
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No one wants to take Jerri to the final three. I think she's played a good game this season. Under the radar quietly making good decisions for her own advancement. I like her game this time around. She's decent at challenges, she hasn't really screwed anyone over on the jury, other than Coach, and I can't see her not getting a majority share of votes if teamed with Sandra, Parv or Russell. I expect they all no that. I would love for her to win the final immunity.Russell is my favourite player of all time. Fun to watch, inexplicably great at manipulating situations to his advantage. But I've stopped believe he's the best player of ever, because Parv knows when to be bold and when to differ, plus is great at challenges, and has been able to manipulate Russell into being her blunt instrument so she hasn't had to be focus of jury ire. And Sandra has my (also grudging) respect, because she's crap at everything in the game except the social, and even then she doesn't pull punches. I love that at tribal she never bullshits her way through questions -- she says exactly what's going on in the camp, who's doing what to who and how.
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I completely agree that Russell is not the "best" player of all time. Has he always been in control this season? Yes, almost every week, or at least that is what the producers want us to believe. Has he always made the decisions as to who is going home and who to mess with? Yes, as far as we know. But as much as he is playing everyone that still survives, he is being played by those he has voted off.
In order to be the best player you have to win a title and that Russell will never do because part of being the "best" player involves making those on the jury want to vote for you after you have stabbed them in the back. And they do not. He has too much ego to ever be likable. He gloats, he mocks, he lies right to their faces and after it is over, they resent him for it, as they should.
There is a fine line between being mean and making hard decisions. Russell just doesn't understand that. There is a fine line between "playing the game" and "Playing the game of playing the game".
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Survivor isn't a reality show. It is a game show. Big difference.
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You might as well call the Super Bowl a reality show if you call Survivor a reality show. But instead, it would be correct to call them both games. OK? Or am I beating a dead horse?
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what is the point of joining a discussion you have no interest in? You came in here to start a fight. You don't like reality shows, we get it, why the need to attack us for liking them? There are many other talkbacks on this sight, I am sure one of them is about something you enjoy. Why don't you go join one of those and leave us alone?
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one of the best ever. If they hadn't wasted spots on Candace and Danielle, it could have taken the crown. Can't wait to see how much worse Amanda and Parvarti look on the reunion show .... amazing that they look great camping out in the woods and then paint their face like 2 dollar whores and look terrible in civilization.
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but it didn't read that way (I too assumed you were eager for a Big Brother TB). "Bring on the Big Brother TB!" looks like you are excited for it"Bring on the Big Brother TB!?!" sandwiching a question mark between two exclamation points lets the reader know your statement should not be taken literally as the conflicting punctuation suggest there is more than one way to read it Might help hinder misinterpretation.You don't like Survivor, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. However, try not to tell everyone your opinion should be theirs too. Most of us here like the show so it's doubtful you will find a consensus on your opinion that it became "boring after a while". It's been on 10 years with 20 editions. Certainly, some more memorable than others, but interesting enough to keep me coming back. I can't speak for everyone, but I watch shows, not genres. You may not be able to distinguish between CBS's 3 reality programs but, at least for me, there must be a difference. I never miss Amazing Race and Survivor, but do not like Big Brother. I've tried it a couple of times but have only been bored by it; the show simply doesn't appeal to me. However, just because a show bores me and I don't like it, I'm not going to tell others they too should be bored by it or that it's shit. That's Herc's job. :)
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May 16, 2010 11:24:16 AM CDT
I think the big difference between CBS' shows is editing
by useridgoeshere
Survivor and Amazing Race are usually edited brilliantly. Big Brother doesn't have that opportunity, because they obviously don't know the whole narrative and there are the live feeds. So Big Brother focuses on casting horrible people to create drama.
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If either of them makes it to the end, that's incredible. As former winners, they should have been booted early on, but both have payed a great game. And I think what's interesting is that both have played their way, in spite of wild cards like Russell and HII.
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One day he's confronting Russell, calling him a terrible person and a liar, saying he's even more untrustworthy than Johnny Fairplay. Next day he jumps at the chance to ally himself with Russell, totally convinced he's going to the final 3. Which is it Rupert? Is he the game's most deceitful, manipulative, untrustworthy player ever, or is he someone who, after one conversation, is the guy in whose hands you lay your fate? If Rupert attacks Russell for "backstabbing" him he will go down as one of the game's biggest crybabies.That said (as Harry likes to say), Russell's a great player but I can't see him winning. As much as he may disagree, being liked by the jury is important. And being respected by them is more important. A truly great player is one who can do all the things he's done and still get jury votes. I think Parvati, while maybe not all that well-liked, can still garner a certain amount of respect. Russell's too condescending to be respected. Some of the jury may be sore losers, but I think it's hard for a jury to vote for a sore winner. From what we've seen this season he has toned down his "I'm controlling this game" rants to his allies and enemies. His confrontation with Rupert, I think, went a long way in exposing how he feels about his fellow players. Again, it's hard to respect someone you know doesn't respect you and who feels superior to you. Although, he didn't reveal his secret identity as a mild-mannered millionaire oil-man this season, so he has that going for him, which is good.
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I think it was Hercules.. in the Talkback...with the Banhammer
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We probably didn't see 400 positive discussions and strategy talks between Russell and Rupert in between the time he called Russell those names and when we see them becoming allies. Thats the beauty of this show. Its all in the editing.
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There is quite a bit of social science going on in reality tv. People tune in for semi nude bods, the thrill of the competition, and I think the interactions between people in harsh situations. But it is ok for you to think all that is boring too. viva la difference
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Ultimately even a Hero would have to hurt some feelings in order to win. Most of the Villains weren't that villainous (except Russell). I could easily have imagined Boston Rob on the Heroes team, for one. The Heroes weren't all that heroic. James should have been a Villain, maybe Rupert too, for all his self righteousness. In fact Rupert is a lot like Coach, with a disconnect between his words and his actions than he himself seems unaware of.
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At this point, Russell is the person you've GOT to take to the finals because everybody hates him. Even Sandra, who probably hates him the most, would be smart to take Hantz to the end at this point (if she has a choice). The Ponderosa videos of the all the outcast jury members on CBS.com are really telling because it's clear that nobody intends to vote for Russell. Hope he has a stronger argument this time.
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Russell looked like an evil troll genius when he gave his immunity to Parvati. Russell's move saved his ally, his alliance, and shifted the balance of power in the Villains tribe. But was it really the bold, gutsy, hail-mary pass of a move that it looked like? Did Russell really put his neck on the line to save an ally? Did he really risk getting voted out in an "all or nothing" bid to keep his alliance together? Or, did Russell know beforehand all the ins and outs of Rob's plan? Did he know with absolute certainty Tyson would vote Parvati, giving her 4 votes to Russell's 2, leaving Tyson's 3 enough to send Tyson home? To us watching the show, Russell looks like he made an incredible high-risk move to save himself and his place in the game. In reality, he simply may have been the recipient of some fortuitous information for a reliable source. They show us Russell pulling a victory out of thin air, creating the (possible) illusion he's the craftiest, shrewdest, most intuitive and strategically savvy player the game has ever seen. What they don't show us might tell a different story, a story that we at home don't know, but the jury does. So, if Russell, a guy who can pull off a move like that, doesn't win, we wonder how, and blame the jury for being whiners and sore losers.The editing is great in that they can hit us with moments like Russell giving his immunity to Parvati, fracturing Rob's alliance. However, it's also good to see how those events really unfolded. Usually we get to see stuff like that in the recap/clip show they sometimes air when nearing the final 6 players. Unfortunately, they didn't do one this season. Maybe the reunion show will shed some light on it. Those reunions are so much better since Probst has been hosting. Egads, remember the Rosie O'Donnell one? Worst. Reunion Show. Ever.
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If I remember correctly, he turned on Brendan by siding with Coach, then later turned on Coach. His alliance went into the merge very much like Russell's did, greatly outnumbered, and both did whatever was necessary to get to the finals. Russell comes out labeled a Villain, JT as a Hero. Maybe Russell openly relishing his conquests, and JT maybe feeling a twinge of remorse for being duplicitous, is what creates the distinction.
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...because Stephen did the work, not him. Stephen played the villain while JT played the nice guy.
Also, I jumped off the Russell train long ago. Clearly Parvarti and Sandra have played the best two games. It makes me want to rewatch Pearl Islands. I think Sandra may be way ahead of the curve gameplay wise. -
Love your lyrics to Amanda, very funny!
Love, love, watching Russell! It's always more enjoyable watching the complete bastards play. I'd love to go out drinking w/ this guy.
Hate, hate, Sandra! Snarky players drive me crazy. I respect her for her soldier husband only.
Pavarti is the best all around player this season, She is the Greek Siren of Survivor. Her charisma draws players to the rocks & kill for her.
Love Jerri This season, Biggest turnaround in Survivor history, would love to see her win (but has no chance in hell). For my money she is the hottest woman this year, she is the whole package (for me).
Colby? Colby who? Is that what you call that sad sack of shit lying around camp? Oh how the mighty has fallen.
I hate to say it but the way I see it going down - Sandra has the best chance @ winning. Great season! -
I just don't see Sandra, Colby, or Jerri pulling this off. Sandra already won, but she might get one or two votes. Colby might get one or two votes, but Jerri won't get any votes.
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I tingle.
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For best body and most erections produced in one season of Survivor.
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Parvati also won once before. I don't see her winning again. I think the jury will go with the lesser of 3 evils and pick Sandra. It won't be Russell.
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This season has been my favorite season of Survivor. I only wish Boston Rob and Russell would've teamed up, but their egos prevented that. Russell could still pull it off. Sure, they all talk trash about how he's a liar and they hate him, but all that matters is the final Tribal.
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I know Parv won before, but Sandra has alienated all the villians by siding with Rupert. I think Colby has a good chance of winning if he's in final three. Russel has the best chance because he did play the game well.
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He was also a total sociopath. The Tigers never won a World Series with him though. Titles aren't everything.
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Unfortunately, Colby is a shadow of his former self in the challenges and has basically given up. It's very disappointing to see him like this. He's not even *TRYING*.
Russell probably won't win because he's got a big mouth and tends to just piss off everyone. The "but I played the game!" routine just isn't enough.
So Colby and Russell were my two favorites. However, I don't think either of them will win it. Crap, it'll probably be Parvarti again... Grrr... (Or maybe Jeri since she's been flying under the radar most of the season. I'd be okay with that, just not Parv.) -
They wanted her off the show a few weeks ago, but she was saved by immunity. She's alienated a lot of people like Russel. I see Parv winning again, because people like her even though she screwed everyone.
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Even in most team sports, you can't be the best without titles (e.g., Dan Marino, Lebron James). But you can always say, "it's everyone else's fault." In individual games, like golf, tennis and Survivor, titles are everything and you can only blame yourself for not winning. If Russell doesn't win, again, there's no way he can be considered even one of the best players. He can be called the most entertaining player ever, but not the best.
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The ironic thing about Colby not trying...it's actually gotten him further than if he was trying.
If he was winning challenges and making moves and playing hard, he probably would have gotten voted out when Amanda did.
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People underestimate Parv, but she does well in challenges. Colby reminded me of that Olympic athlete on Survivor last time, that just gave up in every challenge.
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The funny thing is, everyone says Colby is washed-up and not trying, which is true, but the fact is, he's got zero strategy, isn't backstabbing anyone, and is doing horrible at challenges. No one is taking him seriously as a chalenger. He'd be gone long ago if he showed the abilities he did 9 years ago.
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1. Colby 2.Sandra 3. Parvarti 4. Jerri 5. Russell
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Is useless
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I love how these players say afterward the played with dignity but really it was that they didn't have a chance not too. If he couldve teamed up with Russell or Parv he wouldve in one second
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How much integrity did he have when he voted off an able-bodied team member instead of a gimp who was part of his alliance? Oh right, he can be PROUD of his part in the decision that helped destroy the Heroes as a competitive force. Grats Rupert, you're aces.It's funny that Russell won this immunity. Everyone wants to be against him. I feel that Jerri is going to go. Sad. :(
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is that the players have probably seen it too. So tonight we don't get to see the genuine surprise reaction when whoever wins is announced. :(
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Parvati's camel toe as well as Amanda's. And can I just say Amanda for Playboy please Mr. Heffner is you really wanna make men happy show us the sweetness that is Amanda. That is all.
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record two different last solo interviews on the island, one talking about how he won last time and one talking about how he lost last time. Kinda manipulative.
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That was hilarious.
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It's supposed to be outwin outplay outlast, but the holier than thou jury uses different criteria
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SO VINDICTIVE...
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of all the sanctimonious, butt hurt jurors on every season of survior...going all the way back to that hag susan on the 1st season...the game IS outwit,outplay,outlast...and Russel outwit everyone, 2 seasons in a row. I hope the whole jury contracts some nast ass island STD
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Russell was crap at defending himself. He should have said, "Yes, I played a lying, manipulative game, and yes, I hurt people, and I regret that. If I had to do it again, I would try to find a way to accomplish the same thing but not burn so many bridges. I am an aggressive player, and the reason all of you are sitting there is a direct result of moves I made in the game. I would hope that a group of All Stars would see that the 'social' game that the other two have played was no less manipulative than mine -- they are not your friends, they are playing the game. They are depending on your dislike of me to win. I would hope that true All Stars would reward gameplay over feelings."
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you make a completely valid point, however...to quote Bobby Boucher's mother from the Waterboy.."he doesn't have da social skills"
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He lied: they all lied
he manipulated: they all do
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The only discipline the supreme dragonslayer cannot master is self-deprecation.
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Is James still limping?
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At least I could respect parvs game but Russell shouldve won. Sandra was useless but they voted for her because she didn't hurt any feelings by actually doing anything
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ugg.
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But definitely upfront about it.Well, like I've said, I can respect Sandra's game, even if Russell is my favourite player, so I'm not disappointed in her win. And I've started to like her a bit. Burning Russell's hat was funny.
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1) no more 3 way finale's, it cuts the votes to many ways(this is the easiest fix)...2)change the voting period, either allow the fans to vote (will never happen), OR keep the entire cast as jury to make the voting at the end a bit more fair
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Voting out Jerri instead of Sandra was a loser move.
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They voted for her cause she wasn't russel or parv.
No other reason.
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Russell is mad.
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If America had a percentage, I think he would have won.
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She does.
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Proof history is written by the winners. She now gets to tell eveyone this was all by her design
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They are told the rules of the jury in the beginning. You don't play for the TV, you play for the other players.
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They voted for her cause she didn't like russel. No other reason.
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but that is not the game of Survivor.
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I thought during last Thursdays episode they said vote now for player of the season. So if Russell is right (I hope he is) then he'll win the fan vote and be able to gloat.
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but the inherent flaw in the game is the size of the jury pool, usually the jury is weighted towards a losing tribe (post merge) who are butt hurt and hold grudges in the voting process, the larger the jury (pre merge voters) the more realistic the vote would be, time heals wounds, and the jury on survior is still holding a grudge from a few days prior, they need to make a change someway to stop this from happening on every season
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No one can make and execute a plan as well as he can (and did). They were multi-layered mini-masterpieces. He planned them well and was uncannily great at reading people and changing them on the fly.Sandra never had a plan. She coasted. Grabbed coattails. Flipped sides. Parv played a better game than her.
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... That wouldn't destroy the game completely.
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But I have no clue why he let parvati make it to the finals. In the end I don't think it was going to matter though as he didn't get a single vote, so even if he grabbed parvati's votes he'd still lose. I actually expected Sandra to win, as she didn't make enemies like Russell and Parvati. In the end I don't think Sandra earned it, but that'sthe way the game works.
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the jury voted at the live finale after they have had time to digest everything after the final tribal?
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i wouldn't have had a problem with her winning.
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He stood up and handed her an idol on the night where she would have went home back before the merge. She never saved him once.
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I'm sure Russell spent his off-time watching how much love he got from the audience... but this isn't Survivor Idol. He did fail to manage emotions as well as votes and that counts against him.I just loved watching him and would vote for him. I'm sure I'd be less magnanimous with his knife in my back.
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with votes, but she got sucked into Russell's vortex of hate.
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for being villains when the tag-line is heroes vs Villains.
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...who got out played and are so bitter about being outwitted they refuse to acknowledge they lost to a superior player. The only way you can win is if you fall ass backwards to the final and didn't annoy any of these nuts.
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Waaaaah! Waaaaah! I got fucking owned and my feeewings are hurt! FUCK YOU. He tried to align with Russell every chance he got because he knew russell was running the show. Russell was playing the game. Rupert's just a vindictive bitch. If he is ever on survivor again, I'm boycotting the show.
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should be all 20 people voted out first
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Player of the season....Russell Hantz.
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brought to you by Sprint, Villians since 1898.
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Zero wins in challenges. Bitches behind your back. Flips sides. Wins million again? I don't get it.
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She was the least deserving of the three.
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In 2034.
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but Jeff Probst is a pretty fantastic host.
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He doesn't take anyone's crap or "divaness."
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Russell did not get a single vote.
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He didn't have the benefit to watch his first season back and see where he went wrong on not winning votes. The poor bastard played the game all the way through, went home three weeks...then went right back out again. The other players had years to physically recover and think about a new strategy and watch back their season(s).
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from the people of America, which is what he wanted. So he kind of won (our hearts and Sprint's money).
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Russel deserved to lose. Complain all you want about the jury, but it is consistant. You KNOW the people you are pissing off are going to be voting later, so it's part of game to suck up to the jurors. Russel even pissed off Jerri, who was lock until Pav pointed out Russel voted her out for the jury vote. Boston Rob was right. Russel plays to get to the end, not to win. Oh, and even if america had a vote (say 1/4), Russel would have still gotten smoked. He didn't get ONE vote, and no way he would have gotten 100% of america's vote.
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Has Americas vote twice plus money for playing so he's got about 400k and I'm sure they'll find a way to bring him back so it's not all bad
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She knew her only chance was to play specifically to the Heroes and it worked. And, in all honesty, she did try to work with them time and time again. BTW, glad to see Amanda didn't overdo the make-up this time.
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May 16, 2010 10:28:28 PM CDT
Did you notice that Russell said he didn't win his first season?
by anotherboreddude
Yet this season started filming not too long after his first. Did the editors make a last minute addition or something? Hmmmm...
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She was as useless as Coby. Why the Jury always awards the most useless players, I'll never know.
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That's not the game. If Russell wants to go on "Dancing with the Stars" I'm sure he'll welcome your votes. But that is not the game of Survivor.
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if all you have to do is be nice and ride somebodies coattails to win???????????? and in the end the jury is just going to vote for the nicest player. Change the show's title to Mr. Niceguy.
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and looked up all the winners for survivor. There are significantly less "coat-tail" winners then not. the last 2 season are not the norm.
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Most of you have it right. And Boston Rob got it right. Russell is too arrogant to realize he's missing the most crucial element of winning: the social aspect. It's up to the jury not America. That's what makes Survivor so great. This is why it continues to be great 20 seasons in. If they ever changed that rule it would be a different game. Good for Probst for giving Russell the smackdown and for Boston Rob for syaing the truth. I was also just wondering if Coach and Jerri hooked up.
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But she's not Russell, which got her the million dollars. Russell goes out of his way to insult and denigrate the other contestants and that's worked to get him to the end, but it won't get you any jury votes. Colby was right in that luck plays a big factor in who wins. Sandra has been very lucky both seasons.
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I guarantee those of you saying that Russell should've won were actually playing the game with him you'd be hard pressed to set aside your feelings and give him the money anyway. Remember they're gone for 39 days and their emotions come into play HEAVILY and to ignore that is just idiotic.
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Exactly spot on.
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Between Parvati, Sandra and Russell...the only one who did ALL three of those was Russell. That alone should have given him the win. Same thing for last season. If only the Jury would take those points into consideration instead of voting based on their poor hurt feelings, then this game/show would be so much better. Granted, I've only seen two seasons out of 20, but still..."Outwit, Outplay, Outlast" are written on the show's friggin' logo, yet no one bothers with it. Ah well, at least Russell still got the $100,000.
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She flat out says what's on her mind, and she'll fuck you over in a second because she's bitter.
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Thanks, fiester! After all, Russell did get arrested recently. He says he had a disadvantage because he played back to back? But he also had a HUGE advantage because he was the only one that none of the other players saw actually PLAY. If he ever plays again, I doubt the players will make the same mistake keeping him around.
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The bitchy jury doesn't represent most people's opinions. Russell was a fantastic player.
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But he has a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game is played. He is an inherent flawed Survivor contestant. Probst put him in his place as did Boston Rob.
The one who really got screwed is Parv in reality. She got so cozy with Russell all of his hate juice spilled all over her and people went with Sandra.
Also, I don't see why you guys care or like Russell so much. He would not piss on any of you if you were on fire. They guy is a raving sociopath. God help anyone that has to consort with the likes of him in real life. -
- Jerri nearly getting the idol in the blindfold maze? I don't think I've ever genuinely been pissed at an immunity challenge outcome (other than when Dreamz fucked over Yao-man), even with full knowledge of the leak that some douche pickle brought to our attention here last week. The game was literally in her grasp and no dice. I hope this wasn't the end of the road for her as far as Survivor is concerned. - Russell's a dumbass. Straight up. No question. Him backstabbing Jerri and expecting to get a vote out of it? He wasn't gonna win anyway, but christ on a cracker, to think, TO ACTUALLY FUCKING THINK, Jerri would put his name down should've earned him a dishonorable mention in the stupidest Survivor contest they had going. - Who would've thought the person that was the hardest to look at in the game would be the most stunning chick on the jury? Yeah, she needs to add a pound or two...or twenty, but Courtney's got it going on. Great personality too. If any of you haven't seen the Ponderosa videos, check 'em out, she's adorable. - Speaking of which, I need to go see if they have any Ponderosa vids of Colby and my girl Jerri. - WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY BRING UP THE DANIELLE vs. AMANDA WRESTLING MATCH??? COLBY NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT THE CLUE??? JERRI GETTING FUCKED UP BY RUPERT IN A CHALLENGE??? OR A REPLAY OF AMANDA'S ASS IN THE MUD CHALLENGE??? - How did Russell know he didn't win the last Survivor during his confessional? Wasn't the finale for that AFTER this one was taped? - Speaking of hat burning, I wish Russell had (like one of you guys suggested) burned Boston Rob's hat when he had the chance. - Once again, horrible makeup on the contestants and Probst. Seriously, just tape it at Ed Sullivan every finale, and let Letterman's people handle the makeup and lighting. Also, Jerri doesn't look quite as good rocking the dark hair. - What's the fucking point in hyping up a location when the show has unfortunately morphed into something that rarely pays tribute to or shows a little history of the area and culture? - A good way to solve that problem, is to follow Burnett's other and less successful show's lead (The Apprentice) and expand by thirty minutes to an hour. I'd be down for it. At least for one season to see if it'd work. - Remove the restrictions on the contestants like Colby mentioned. That's another thing the show's lacking....adventure. The social aspect of it is amazing, but they've cast too much to the side for it. If they'd just combine reward and immunity, you could easily work some of that, or history of the area or whatnot in without expanding it's airtime. - JEFF PROBST IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE (maybe). He pays tribute to Jen, then a few minutes later gloats about HIS charity, instead of something related to Lyons or breast cancer prevention / awareness / research? Now, I will admit I'm not familiar with his charity, and it might cover that.....so if it does, just chalk this up to another occasion where I stuck my foot in my mouth. I've been known to do that.....from time to time. Oh dear, oh dear.
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39 days, 936 hours: FOURTEEN hours are seen by America. That, alone, is why the game would irrefutably SUCK if America voted. Big Brother's 24/7 "live feed" fans need only hear two words ---Evel Dick--- to know how right this is.
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Once again, a person who does nothing gets the votes because the jury got their feelings hurt. They need to take "Outplay" out of it and make it "Outleech"
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Seriously, it's a good time hashing out this shit with you monkeys.
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You can lie, cheat and steal, and still win. But since you are dealing with human beings with feelings, it must be taken into account how you are being viewed by the other tribemates. As good as Russell is in some facets of Survivor, his social game gets a grade of F. BTW, from what I was told a little while ago by someone at the reunion, Russell is a legit jerk and it's not an act (which this person had thought before). Hopefully, I'll get a little gossip from the wrap and will pass it on tomorrow.
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understand the game. I think he watched Survivor and Big Brother marathons back to back and his monkey brain merged them into one game.
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It's a GAME. It's not real life. Some of these Survivors try to milk fame off of this show even though they were voted off in the first episode. Russel didn't play a bad game at all compared to the old games Fairplay and Boston Rob used to play.
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Fuck off!! How's that for hurt feelings? You people who think the jury screwed Russell make me laugh. Russell screwed himself just like he did last time. His strategy allows him to make it to the end but unfortunately the jury doesn't seem fit to reward him for that. The jury who spent time with him 24/7 as opposed to you who sees 40 minutes worth of footage edited together for maximum drama.
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As much as you people wanted that idiot Russell to win, you completely ignore, on purpose, the rule that has been pointed out tonight and has been pointed out by Jeff from the very first season. The jury will not vote you out for the last vote, but will vote for you to be survivor. Jeff has warned players time and time again to remember that when facing the jury. Russell can lie, cheat, and manipulate as much as he wants, but in the end they are not going to vote for the biggest asshole but the best player in the Jury's eyes. It doesn't matter what all of us think in the audience. If you don't like it or don't understand the rules then you need to learn them. I do think Parvati should have won this season. She was the best all-around survivor and even had the lying sack of shit jumping through hoops for her while also winning challenges. In the end, Parvati lost because she was somehow involved with Russell who played such a good game of deceit that he was hated by just about everyone and didn't get a single vote. If you think someone who doesn't get a single vote by the jury deserves to win just because he was your favorite asshole, think again.
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Still enjoyable to watch. I think the folks calling him a sociopath are going a bit far. I don't doubt he's an asshole, but really... sociopaths are good at fitting in, aren't they?
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No, most of the time the brain dead jury votes for the coat tail rider that didn't make waves.
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Up until these last few seasons, they don't usually win. Courtney made the finals and lost, Cirie made it twice and lost, and that little asian chick made it the year Yul won... Yau Man should have one that season by the way.. (why wasn't Dreamz on the villains? that guy was the biggest villain EVER)
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And Terry was the greatest hero ever!
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May 17, 2010 1:05:58 AM CDT
Russell should have won dumbest Survivor move: not reading the r
by flim springfield
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May 17, 2010 1:08:47 AM CDT
By the way- did AICN Coaxial spoil this season like the last one
by flim springfield
I mostly avoided this site since a spoiler was posted in a HEADLINE last season about Russell making it to the final.
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It seems to happen a lot. Natalie won last time because the jury hated Russel. Sandra won Pearl Islands, despite the fact the players in that were excellent.
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I believe dreamz got arrested a few times. There was no shot he would have made it far at all. And i think people were legitimately pissed at him, it wasn't infamy. As i said before, its not so much that Russel lost that annoys me (and others), its that Sandra won. Parv was the better choice by far. And yes, Russel is said to be a legit jerk by people connected to the show. Strangely enough, so is James. And Courtney was said to be a terror the last time she played. I guess she did lighten up :p
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Yeah, before the last two seasons, the last few coat-tail riders to win the game were Amber and Sandra. Amber won against Rob, who was a total dick his season. To hear him insult Russel is laughable, considering Rob came in second and married the first place winner. (they both also won free cars their season. it was a total win for him.) So 4 or 5 bad results over 20 seasons really isn't that bad at all.
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Someone else mentioned that Colby complained that they weren't allowed to do much on the island. There were no swimming challenges. Why? Did the Samoa government put restrictions on the show? Did the producers not like how it affected challenges?
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May 17, 2010 1:22:39 AM CDT
You get the votes, you deserve to win. That's the game.
by flim springfield
Arguing the rules is for losers.
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is his ability to articulate in final tribal council. "I play hard" is too vague. He needs to tell them that the reason they hate him is because he's been running the game and been orchestrating when and how they got voted out. he never uses examples e.g. mnipulating Tyson's vote, giving Parvarti immunity, etc. He and Amanda are totally different players but they are alike in that they drop the ball in the end game.
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about Russel. Shows you how exciting Sandra's game was, lol.
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She convinced Russell that Coach was going to vote him out and he believed it and started changing his plans. She also got under his skin a few times and made him lose his temper. She's won it twice now so that's two times more than Russell has.
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Sandra's big move was to take out Russel, but that never happened. Hell, she wasn't even in an alliance with anyone.
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It's easy to wave off the "hurt feelings" aspect of the game by judging the game sitting on the couch munching on pizza with friends/family once a week (my case) . A VERY different thing is to be there, 24/7, starving, stressed out as hell, being paranoid and having second thoughts about going to tAke a piss or a shit because it would give other people the ooportunity to conspire against you. If it were YOU case, I GUARANTEE that your "huhrt feelings" would play a MAJOR MAJOR part the moment you have to write down (read ENDORSE) a name in the final vote. Granted, Russell was an extremely entertaining player to WATCH, but would you share a table with him on a sunday? would you like him as boss or a co-worker? He's a sociopath, nothing more, nothing less... KUDOS to his wife, (IF she's a nice person) for putting up with that shit day in and day out.
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The jury members aren't starving and aren't stressed out. Once they're eliminated, they go to Ponderosa, eat sleep, drink, etc. At that point they have a chance to discuss and be objective about the game. When you look at the Ponderosa videos, you can see that they're just a bunch of sour losers that don't accept having been outplayed. When they vote they always use their feelings for their decision and that's where the flaw of the game is. Someone should explain to them that they're voting for the best player, not the best person in life. They have to remember that their vote is base on a game, it's not a vote to find the next mother Theresa...
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Someone should remind the jury members that Survivor is a game. In life you can see the sour losers and the one who lose with dignity and respect. When playing a competitive sport or even a board game, you'll have some players that will shake your hand congratulate you on your good play and then you'll have other players that will throw every excuse in your face to explain why they lost. It wasn't because you played better than them, it was because you were lucky, because you cheated, because they were tired, etc. In Survivor, the excuse is, you're a bad person. Perfect example of a sour loser : Rupert. Ruypert: OK, I lied and cheated too during the game but since I got voted off, I can now be holier than thou and tell you that you're a "disgusting human being"...
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The jury gets the last laugh, that's how it works. Failure to understand that means failure in the game. Russell was brought to the end because he wasn't a threat.
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Russell knows how to schmooze one on one. He doesn't do a crowd well. And when confronted he gets defensive and loud. So the last tribal he is always screwed. He gets angry and then in not wanting to offend, he clams up and glowers. Sandra was a master there. She was entertaining and engaging. That is how she nudge Parvati out, seriously. I mean... Sandra said, "I tried and tried to warn the heroes about Russell but no one would listen." And they loved it. Ate it up. But she was basically telling them they were dumbasses! She just said it in a palatable way.
I kept thinking, man, if Russell could just be charming and smooth at the end, he might be able to actually win. Then I thought, hmmm... maybe given his play that wouldn't be possible. But then I realized it can be done and HAS been done, just not on Survivor: Big Brother's Evil Doctor Will. Different but similar game. Will had BB as wired as Russell did Survivor. In total control. And Will f**ked EVERYBODY. But he had charm where he would tell people to their face, "I'm evil, I will backstab and destroy you," and they'd laugh, entertained. Then he would stab them in the back but somehow have most victims then go, "Hahah... ya got me!" Then they'd vote for him! THEN on the final show they would show clips from the game of him openly laughing at who he screwed someone and, again, they'd laugh. And then after winning he came back a second time where he almost won but instead his partner did. Russell's second time out nobody knew him. Dr. Will went in with everybody knowing his rep and proceeded to beat everyone with the same tactics!
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He forgot the social game also. He is now textbook on what not to do, if anyone tries what he does they will know they will not win. I would use someone like that and be a coattail player also for the win also. Russell really did not play to win.
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If Russell was capable of articulating his strategy to the jury, he could win. But he's not. "Villains" like Dr. Will and Richard Hatch were playing a game. But it seems like this is how Russell really is. Russell can be considered the most entertaining player ever, but not the best. That title belongs to Sandra, who plays one way and wins twice. You know Sandra was thinking jury the entire time. Like she said when she voted Rupert, "I can vote you out and still you'll vote for me."
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So what you guys are saying is that you have to be a butt kisser to win? That's where the flaw of the game is. They should vote for the best player and not for the one who pissed them off the least. As I said, when you look at the Ponderosa videos, all you see is a bunch of players pissed off because they got eliminated. As an example, just look at the Amanda videos and you'll see how she was received by the group. Nobody can say that she's evil and all that so what was their reason for acting that way with her? Just a bunch of frustrated people.
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I think had the players had the time to give a closing statement, Parv would have won. Her opening was absolutely perfect.
Russell, by apologizing for hurt feelings right off the bat, validated the hurt feelings arrayed against him.
Whenever a player let's it get emotional, they are lost. Whenever they can say "It was just business/math" an can say "I never said I'm a better person. I know I'm not. I'm just the better player of a game" and then outline their game?.... That person wins. I give China, and Fiji as supporting examples. Todd's closing being the strongest I've ever seen. He explained being a weak player who knew he had to attach to a physical strength (James) and a high-profile socialite (Amanda). He drafted behind each player until it was time to let go. Then he took his puppet (Amanda) and villain layabout (Courtney) to the final. He convinced the jury that was his plan from Day ONE.
All that said, I thought Boston Rob was right about Russell. He plays to get to the jury, and always would make it. Russell's weakness was not getting to take a break between seasons and reassess his game on video.
Everybody knows you've got to break down film. -
Episode One when they hit the beach - I tell my wife I'm rooting for Russell, Parvati, Coach, Stephanie, Tom and Colby. I'm rooting against Sandra. Only Sandra.
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I know it was 6-3-0 but who voted for whom? I am imagining Amanda, Danielle and Candice voted for Parv but I am not sure
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I am completely done with this show. It is painful to see a bunch of whiney egotistical sore losers give the game away at the end. The fact that Russell won America’s vote back to back and lost both seasons has to be concerning for producers. I bet next season’s ratings are a joke.
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And I knew Russell would get zero votes. Sandra, who I didn't like much, was pretty smart about it. She immediately went to the Hero side when the merge happened and that was a smart move. She did it on the sly which kept her off of Russell's radar. But what she did best was act during the last 2 challenges like she was a sever underdog. She mentioned that Russell told her she won't get a single vote. That alone gave her the game. Because Russell is impossible to like and was mean to the other players and if he says Sandra can't win well those jurors were going to make him look like crap one way or another. Sandra is a smart player. I actually came away liking her. Russell does a great job of getting to the end. But his style can never win and it never will win.
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I would bet a whole years salary that next years ratings are almost as good as this year. America sees 15 hours of these people. If America was playing Russell would pretty much be long gone before the end. What Russell does is intimidate the women and lie to the men. So he gets the women to vote out men he wants out of the game or other women who don't get intimidated by him. Sandra wasn't intimidated by him but she did it silently, she tried to get him out and played smart. It would have backfired on her if the heroes players could have won some immunity challenges because they would have picked her off sooner or later as she wasn't a hero. But to stay alive as a villian while working with the hero's who would end up on the jury..far smarter then Russells search and destroy tactics.
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Not that it really matters, but I would be more than happy to make that bet. If the viewers are not happy with the results, they will just stop watching the show. And by in large it is pretty obvious that the viewers are not happy with the results the past 2 seasons.
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Russell only plays to play and doesn't give a fuck about the social game, which is why he never wins the million. It just doesn't compute in Russell's brain.
But it's also why he's the most interesting to watch throughout the season and why he's landed the Season MVP award two seasons running. If they do bring him back for another All-Stars edition someday, I'll make a note to watch every episode except the finale because Russell will most likely tank that win as well.
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I have watched every episode of Survivor, from the very first season. I'll be back next season and I'll be happy Russell is gone. His bullying tactics can only get so far. If you think he is such a great player, why does he clam up with the Jury at the final council? He doesn't even understand the rules. Not only that, but he made some dumb moves this season. What Russell has done is show people how not to play the game at the end. Quit being a sore loser. The vote from America is not for who should win Survivor, but who is the most popular player this season. When Russell can win the game by facing the Jury, get back to me on how great he is. Until then, it is only smart to make sure Russell is there to the end because he gets ZERO votes.
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He will be voted out real quick. Russell's biggest problem is he thinks others don't talk to each other. He started off both games telling 4 different people he wanted to take them to the final 3. Also he brags too much about the idols. He rubs it in peoples faces and this is just like real life. People don't forget. If I was on that island, and I LOVE watching Russell, I would have given the money to Parv..because I want to bang the crap out of her. Then Sandra if Parv wasn't there and it was just Russell and Sandra. Never Russell. Not with the arrogant way he behaves. Its one thing to watch and laugh about it...its another to sit there and endure it.
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Some people may not like Russell but no one can deny that he's a great player. When there was still 2 tribes, it was 6 villains against Russell, Parvarti and Danielle and he managed to eliminate 5 of the 6 even though Boston rob had the numbers. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is.
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"why does he clam up with the Jury at the final council" Do you actually think we see the entire filmed final council, or do you think it may have been cut a little different this time so that the audience realized early on that Russell was not going to win? "Quit being a sore loser" Are you that out of touch with reality that you honestly believe that I somehow lost something because Russell didn't win?
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Right now, Sandra is the best player in Survivor history. She has won it twice. She is the Michael Jordan of Survivor LMFAO. Sure its a fracking joke but she did it. I have more respect for her now then I did before. She plays people very smartly..she is like Cirie in that fashion. You think she is with you or that you can not worry about her because you can vote her off at any time. But in the background she is making friend with all of your enemies lol.
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Is the Ponderosa. All the players get kicked off and then go back and have a pow wow on who they're pissed at who's still on the show. They should be sequestered separately so they can't "compare notes" and form opinions and gather information they were unable to attain while playing. In their own way the jury is still playing after being voted off.
Sandra was a better player than Natalie was last season but she was still a wallflower as her game was light on game changing strategy or winning challenges.
I agree that it's easy to say that it's easy to wave off Russell's style when he's not pointing that bulldog attitude at you directly. Nevertheless, you would think Parvarti deserved it since she was basically "Russell light". I would have more respect for the people who were smart enough to put me on the jury than the people who tried to save me and were not able to. -
Exactly my thoughts. Last night I told my wife that Sandra and Cirie could be the same damn person as far as their game goes. Oh and Muzzle - its all good but I'm not the one getting upset and saying I won't watch the next season because my boy lost. Russell is a great player, no doubt about that, but he is not a winner. He needs to rein in that ego and figure out what he is doing wrong and if he decides to come back work a little harder on the Jury and the final council. If he does that, he can win. Until then, people will continue to take him to the end just because they know he won't have any votes. If he does play again, and he plays a little differently and gets to the end, this could work to his advantage because folks may assume he won't get votes and like they said last night - assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Just like pride is a fool's fortress and I see that as Russell's biggest weakness. Get rid of the indignant pride and concentrate on the strategy and social game a bit more and he can win.
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I know JT giving an idol to Russell is stupid is ways unmeasurable, but Tyson changed the whole course of the game completely with his dumbass move.
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Is the cream usually rises to the top in that game. You're slow? You're gone? There's no voting. Survivor is a fun show but people usually vote with their emotions rather than who actually was the best. It's why we had useless people like Nathalie and Vecepia win the million.
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I actually never wrote that I'm not going to watch because "my boy lost", what I said is that "It is painful to see a bunch of whiney egotistical sore losers give the game away at the end". If Parv won I would have been fine with that. On another note, I wish people would stop revising history. Russell made the point several times on last season’s final tribal that this is a game and what they saw was not the person he really is, and let's not forget, his alliance was down 8-4 at the merge last season and all 4 in his alliance ended up in the final 5. That was the best strategic game you will ever see on this show. What would you have done in that situation, lay down and die? He lied and manipulated to survive and was ultimately skewered because of it by “a bunch of whiney egotistical sore losers give the game away at the end”
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There are always people who are upset with the winner and think they didn't deserve it. But for 20 seasons, a lot of people keep returning. Survivor is bigger than any one player. Heck, the audience vote thing was put in to give Rupert money. It is still the number one show on Thursdays in 18-49 on an old folks network, which is amazing. Survivor comes down to casting. Russell was a great find, but so was Rupert, Johnny Fairplay, Richard Hatch, Sue Hawk, Cirie, Sandra, Parvati, Rudy, Tom, Stephenie, etc. I'm sure they'll find someone else who is compelling next season, too.
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I guess you forgot the part about the jury voting FOR you in the final counil. Every season Jeff reminds the players that be careful what you do with the Jury because they are the people who make the final vote FOR you. There is a whole social aspect to this game and as a viewer you should understand it. They are whiney? From their eyes the guy has stepped over a line and none of them, even the most respectful of his game, will vote for him. He didn't deserve to win, period. If he had just reined in that ego and not kept his mouth shut so people couldn't use his own words against him, he might have done better. You can't win this game simply by being the best cheating liar. Sandra at least had a social game. I don't think Sandra should have won though. It should have been Parvati for sure.
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You hit it exactly - Sandra played no differently from someone like Cirie, i.e. it is luck that played the biggest factor in her having a chance to get to the finals. That's why I think Parvati deserved the win, despite Russell's being my farovite - she's the best combo of strategy, physical game and social game. People are still underestimating the fact that Russell (and Parvati) used brilliant moves to remove the need for the luck factor, despite what Tom claimed in the reunion.
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Sorry, I just get my head around how Sandra deserved to win and obviously I'm not alone. If you go to some of the other sites you will see that that the vast majority of people believe she shouldn't have won.
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One more thing. How awesome was it when Sandra told Russell that America wouldn't have voted for him either and 10 minutes later he wins America's vote. The puss on her face was priceless.
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Me and you agree on one thing, we would rather Russell win than Sandra. What I want to ask everyone here is what do you think what have happened if one of these things didn't happen: 1. Russell did not win that last immunity challenge. 2. Tyson did not make his stupid move that caused him and all of Boston Rob's allies to get voted out? I think the game would have gotten interesting indeed. JBud - no doubt there were some brilliant moves and at the same time the heroes made some absolutely dumbass moves.
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I don't think Russell deserved to win, I just would rather he win, or anyone for that matter, than Sandra. In fact, I wanted Amanda to win this season but my wish didn't get granted.
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She actually remained toe to toe with him the entire season, and managed NOT to piss a lot of people off. Sandra won solely for the fact that "I *tried* to warn you guys! But you didn't listen!"
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If Russell did not win the last immunity he still would have made it to the final three only because the 3 girls knew that he did all the dirty work and that the jury would be a bunch of sore losers. The Tyson thing is a little different and harder to predict. I think Rob might have found a way to oust Russell, but on the other hand (like I wrote before) Russell was down 8-4 last season and always found a way to get the job done. Again, that was the most amazing strategic game ever. There were immunity necklaces out there at the point Tyson screwed up, so you never know. But the question you asked is exactly why Russell should have won. He was really the one that changed the game, he convinced Tyson, he got Rob out, and even Rob knew he got outplayed.
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I agree about everything except Russell deserving to win. In the last few weeks he made some major screwups and those cost him the game. The thing is, as you said yourself, even if he hadn't won the immunity he would have stayed because the others knew he couldn't win by vote. That has to say something about strategy right there. Somewhere along the line, Russell needs to figure out the end of the game and not just getting there.
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The two idol thing was one of the best tribal councils I've ever seen. If you think about it, that is when Russell started to lose his god-like ability to control. He seemed to get a little more desperate and a little less clever.
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I still think Russell deserved it, with Parv a very close second. The two idol move was awesome. Since someone above brought it up, I think the Dr. Will comparison is accurate. If Russell had a little more charm, and a better looking face, he probably would have won. Ultimately that’s why imo BB is a better show. The jury just seems to get over their hurt personal feelings for the vote. On the other hand, more often than not the contestants on BB are smart enough to vote out the “mastermind” knowing the jury will give them the prize. Again, that’s just my opinion. I love the strategic aspect of the shows, and as I’ve wrote, Survivor just isn’t doing it for me anymore. Every strategic holy sh*t moment on the show this season was orchestrated by either Russell or Parv, both in the finals and neither won.
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Now can we bin these fucks and move on please...
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to get us through the summer. It is fun too watch spoiled little rich kids go Psychoo on each other. Plus if you get showtime sometimes you can watch them fuckin.
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She was like an inch away from getting the last immunity idol before Russel. I think she might have won it.
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should have won, she is a combo of hotness/Athleticism/social smarts/hotness. And yes I know I said hotness twice. But you have to give it up to Sandra. She not only played a smart game by trying to help the heroes with inside info. She also realized Russells mouth was making him a lot of enemies and she tried in the background to get him ousted. That he didn't get kicked out earlier is on the heroes and they knew it. Also Sandra was smart enough to continue that line of attack against Russell and she did it very subtly. She put it out there in that last council meeting that Russell didn't think she would even get 1 vote other then Courtney. She herself acted ok with that. But in her own mind you just know she was thinking to herself "they all hate Russell and don't like Parvati either, I have a chance to steal this money". And she was 100 percent right. Also the reason America gives Russell the money is because he entertained us. Like I said earlier most people would hate the Russell you see on tv if you were part of the competition.
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Is there a cable version of the show thats on regular tv..I mean do they show the same people on both regular tv and cable but on cable they show the smuttier stuff?
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yep. It's called Big Brotherr Afterdark. It comes on every night on Showtime for 3 hours. It's the same as the primetime show except it is live and uncensored. It's usually pretty boring bucause not much happens. But if you get a horny enough cast, they will sometimes put on an x-rated show for us. even if its not sex, they even have a shower camera. It dosn't happen often, but when it does happen, they keep the camera on that couple. Showtime has no shame, God Bless em.
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The job of the jury is to vote for the person that they want to win the million dollars. Not to vote for "the most deserving" or "the one who played most strategically". The jurors each decide their own criteria and vote. Obviously since Russell did not get one single vote from the jury (people who were with him 24/7) he did something wrong. He could not convince a single juror to vote for him. Not even one. what does that tell you? Hurt feelings? Sore Losers? Give me a break...
It wouldn't be fair to let the viewers decide who won. You are getting small snippets of their daily life. You don't see the day to day camp life and how people work around camp (gathering wood, getting water, fixing the shelter). It seemed that in the last season Russell was always sitting in the hammock while everyone else worked. But I can only glean so much from 42 minutes a week. My point is there are many factors that are probably going through the jurors head and day to day camp life is probably one of them. Plus, if you took all the footage and edited it differently you could make it favour other players just as easily. Russell is entertaining and polarizing which is what the producers look for. -
Russell haters need a reality check. What the last two seasons prove is that lying, blindsides, and bold moves are no longer to be rewarded in this game. The person who is utterly worthless all season doing nothing in challenges or in strategy will eventually be the winner.
All of the talk about social game and all that is all nonsense.
How can someone with no social game get Tyson to vote himself out?
How can someone with no social game get Jerri to join his alliance and vote out Boston Rob?
How can someone with no social game get JT to give him a HII?
How can someone with no social game get Candice to switch alliances?
The fact of the matter is that the game is indeed flawed. Why have challenges? Why have a tropical locale? Why even call it "Survivor"? The winner is the person who people are friends with.
People complain Russell had no social game. Well Sandra had NO "any" game. There was no aspect to the game that she succeeded in except being worthless enough to be brought to the final 3.
The most important aspect of the game is being in control of your own destiny. Sandra wasn't. She was at the mercy of others who thought she was too weak of a player to offer a challenge. The fact that the jury continues to reward this behavior bodes poorly for the future of the show. Bold moves will be discouraged because they inevitability hurt someone's feelings.
The arguments are coming down to this: Sandra is the best because the jury says she is the best. Russell is the best because he played the best game with the most bold moves. Sandra won, therefore she is the winner. But just because she won doesn't mean she played the best game. We get into a vicious bout of circular reasoning.
I think the main gripe that Russell fans like me have has little to do with the person but more to do with the game itself. Why should we bother watching and rooting for players if their gutsiness doesn't pay off? Why should we be happy that players like Natalie, who sat on a beach all season or Sandra who wasn't effective at any aspect of the game, are winners? What we see is a bitter and hypocritical jury who have no problem backstabbing and blindsiding when it furthers their lot in the game but who take offense to someone who has mastered it. Its BS. -
Why? Because Sandra was smart enough to let it be known to the whole jury that he didn't mind backstabbing Jeri because he felt she would definitely vote for him no matter what. Thats just dumb, he is a good player but he couldn't see that stabbing her in the back would turn her against him.
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They should remove "outwit" and "outplay" for people like Natalie and Sandra who only "outlast". I guess you could say it's one of th criteria that determines a winner but it's weak. At the end of the day Russell's strategy had the most effect on the game and he was punished for it.
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Love or hate Russell: he did not have to kiss ass to win the game. You have to outwit, outplay, and outlast…to the end. The game isn’t over yet. You have to outwit the JURY. You can hate her for it, sure, but Sandra’s closing arguments were perfect. IMHO: they were second only to Parvati’s comparison to Russell as her “pet.” It was then and there that I wanted Parvati to win: to be able to emasculate your core ally in the game and wind up smelling like a rose while doing it? You go, girl. Russell’s mistake was not his lack of butt kissing, though his lack of selling himself. You do not sell a car by telling the buyer “You‘re a bozo and you WILL buy this jalopy for a million dollars, you insignificant little pimple!” I might be completely wrong, though at least two jurors seemed to be telling Russell, in so many words, that if he could own up to being deceitful “for the sake of the game” and not “for the sake of wiping your smarmy noses in my own magnificence,” they would have voted for him. He couldn’t. There’s being a sore loser, and there’s being a sore winner. Outwit. Outplay. Outlast. To the END.
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Amen. Well said
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If Russell would have won this or the last or both Survivors, for the next few seasons you would have Russell type guys coming out of the woodwork playing the game just like he did..which I would be all for, the more conflict between all of the survivors the better.
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Reality check? I think you need a dictionary check. Do you even know what we mean when we talk about a 'social game'? Russell did all those things you describe but he certainly was not 'social' in the way he did it. He basically ordered/bullied/threatened people and told them what to do (from the edited footage we were shown). He didn't discuss strategies or ask people's opinion. Christ, anyone could use those exact same tactics and make it to the end like he did. That person would also lose. What don't you understand about this? It is a balancing act. You have to do what you need to do to keep from getting voted off but every action you take will have repercussions. Natalie seemed to work a lot around camp and she was cheerful and encouraging at challenges. Russell sat around in a hammock all day and trash talked the others. He didn't seem to respect any other players or their game play.If you actually worked with a guy like Russell every day and he treated people like that, would you do the guy any favors??
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Russell didn't outwit the jury. Sandra did. And to say she did nothing to affect the outcome of the game? Pure BS. She got the whole heroes camp against Russell right from the start but some didn't believe her when she said there was no female alliance. She also duped Russell into voting off coach, who Russell had dumbfounded and on his side with that loyalty crap he said to him earlier.
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I'm sick of hearing that Russel again lacked a "social game". This was said after last season, and I think I can make the same arguments this season. There is no way he lacks a "social game", because this man talks, manipulates, and charms enough people throughout the season that clearly demonstrate social skills. The problem for Russel is he succeeds at this so well that the people he stabs in the back feel so betrayed they become blinded by their own ego trip to identify and pay respect to a far superior player.
If the same anti-Russel Survivor fans want to instead say he didn't play a "popular game", then fine. But to say after Mick, Natalie, Jaison, John, Dave Ball last season, and players like Tyson, Rupert, Jerri, Danielle, JT this season are somehow (for different reasons and different situations) find themselves WANTING to believe Russel, that he somehow lacks a "social game" is total bullshit. Some of them may even think THEY are playing Russel!
The man is our Survivor warrior of mind control. His cunning is unreal. His instincts are unmatched.
There ARE great Survivor players who see thru his ways. Boston Rob, Parvati, and hell even Coach knew to not trust him. There were a few last season too...but you know what happens to those players? Russel gets rid of them as soon as they become a problem!
And those who laugh off the fact that "America's vote" has been given to Russel during his two seasons, saying it means nothing as he needs to convince a jury, are overlooking the fact that those voting ARE SUPER-FANS who love this game! Hell, I'm a massive Survivor fan...a student of the game in some ways...and I've never called or clicked to take part in some vote. So those folks, god bless 'em, must see something of merit or substance in Russel's game. It may not have won him the title, but he's done what the game of Survivor has proven to be successful in terms of strategy. I'm not saying I want a public vote to be included in the jury vote, but I'm saying the opinion counts against the jury's weak reason to pick somebody less worthy in the end. Fans know what their talking about.
Russel has achieved something remarkable in the world of Survivor, getting to the end twice despite having the biggest target on his back the entire time. Amanda is another favourite of mine, but she never had the target like Russel did during two entire games. Sandra and Parv don't count b/c Russel brought them to their second straight appearance, in one way or another. While I acknowledge his cut-throat tactics and hard edge do him no favours making friends, I certainly expected a lot more from a seasoned group of Survivor players who should have been able to see past that and not spent an entire Ponderosa experience bitching, and in many ways being manipulated by Courtney who's only goal was to destroy Russel for Sandra. Otherwise, I'm certain players like Amanda, Colby, JT, Jerri, Danielle and even Rupert should have been able to set aside their egos for one night and realize this man in the hat just out-won, out-played and out-lasted EVERY player put in front of him this season, and for the past 78 days.
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Spare me! This is an All Star Season! These are supposed to be the best players in the history of the game. And you are going to say that he bullied the All Stars? Does that bolster your point or mine?
What did he threaten? "If you don't vote with me, you are out of this game." Is this something new? If people were afraid of him, its because they KNEW he would make good on his declarations. Its not because he said it in a mean way.
Russell outplayed every member of that jury. Yet every jury member gave a "holier than thou" attitude as if they wouldn't have backstabbed and blindsided if it meant they were in Russell's position. They are all hypocrites. Even Rupert was willing to ally with Russell because it meant he could get further in the game. -
No, I think the jury proved that it's Russell himself who needs the reality check. The rules haven't changed in 20 seasons, and that little troll learned nothing from his last trip in front of the jury. For someone with such a high opinion of his own intelligence, the little fucker keeps making the same stupid mistake.
If you fuck over every single person --no matter how clever you might have been about it-- there will be no one left to vote for you in the end.
If Russell was a half-decent person --no wait, if Russell could pretend to be a half-decent person-- he would have won this game twice. But he can’t. He’s a rotten fuck, and acting like a rotten fuck brings him too much pleasure to stop acting like a rotten fuck. Even for a million dollars. -
Extremely well-said, and I'm sorry I didn't read your post before I echoed some of your thoughts. I usually read an entire board before posting my own thoughts, but couldn't wait any more and stopped shortly before.
Your comment "The most important aspect of the game is being in control of your own destiny." was brilliant. That's why often the best player in a season (who makes the most moves) never makes it to the finals. The passengers and pedestrians smartly remove a threat like that when the opportunity presents itself late in the game. So for Russel to make it to the vote twice and not be shown the RUSSpect by his peers is a damn shame. -
Shit, everyone knew she hated Russel. That entitled her to a million dollars?
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You are definately blind to the rules. Russell is a good player yes, but he isn't the genius you make him out to be. So how smart was he when Parvati played two idols in one tribal council? How smart was he when Sandra played her idol and he called Parvati a liar? How smart was he when he told Sandra he had Jerri's vote even if he betrayed her? I don't give a damn what you are sick of - the rules of the game state clearly that you are also trying to get the jury to vote FOR you. Just like the guy said above - it is a balancing act. Russell FAILED. Get over it and move on, he didn't deserve the win. Next season the players will understand being the biggest dickweed bully in the tribe doesn't mean you still aren't "in the tribe." Talking smack, manipulating, and bullying is no way to win Survivor and it has NEVER been. Everyone who has ever been a complete asshole has lost. Even Richard in season one had a compelling tribal council and Russell sat there like a deer in headlights when the tribe and his fellow competitors caught up to him.
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She wins a million, and not one person gives a shit because they're still talking about Russel. If Richard Hatch had been on a tribe today he would never have won.
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Russell might learn that for the next time.
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and not team. Because it indicates the social aspect of the game and its rules. Better luck next time, Russell. Some humility combined with a brilliant strategy just might win you a million next time.
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If there is another all stars (in another 5 years or so) Russell will probably want to be in it even though people will be gunning for him because he'll want to prove that he can make it to the end even though everyone hates him.
I still feel like it was missing something without Hatch in it. Can you imagine what Boston Rob Vs. Hatch vs.Russell could have been?
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Those who don't like Russel are quick to point out that he failed because he didn't secure votes. Do the New York Yankees stop and check if everyone's feelings are hurt when they step on them towards their goal?
The point is the very integrity of the game is being put into question by jaded jurors. And IMO, those who think that kissing ass is the final piece to winning the game are mistaken. Even if it is Jeff Probst himself.
To compare to pro sports, the Yankees finish first overall and dominate the competition. Yet, in order to WIN the championship they have to rely on the votes of those teams they just defeated. If those other teams can't respect that they were beaten cleanly, then that's wrong. To reach the end of Survivor, you become a finalist where a winner was determined. That's why players bring weaker candidates to the table to make themselves look better. It's always been about the previous 39 days and what it took to get there.
So even though the Yankees are the most hated team around the league, the integrity of the game requires objectivity to acknowledge their achievements.
If Barry Bonds (w/out steroids!) wins every major statistical category and dominates the competition, those voting should still name him MVP even if he was the biggest a-hole in the game. Russel has lost twice, not because other players demonstrated a better game...but because the jury in each case DIDN'T want to vote for him. It may be the way it is, but it doesn't make it right.
Like the saying goes, "Don't hate the player, hate the game." I never said Russel was perfect, so pointing out his mistakes proves nothing to anybody. I hated Richard Hatch that season and was stunned when the jury actually voted for him. BUT, like the rest of the world and for the future of Survivor, it became clear that the nature of the game was to find a way to the end by making and breaking alliances. Russel was wanted out more than anybody else, and targeted by some incredibly significant players this season, who all failed.
And don't worry...I'll "get over it". Didn't know it was a sign of weakness to state your opinion on a program of interest and discuss with other fans less than 24 hours after the fact. My Capitals choked in the playoffs this year, and my Colts lost in the Superbowl...are you going to tell me when I should stop caring about those losses too?
I'll gladly, and respectfully, debate why a player should win. When people state reasons on here why Sandra or Parv deserved to win over Russel, I'll listen. But instead you and others who simply don't like Russel, point out why he lost. Guess what...I know why he lost, you're not enlightening me. That's why Russel looked so disappointed at Tribal Council as he sensed the mood of the jury. He dropped the ball when he didn't argue his virtues more, but I think he was in shock. He was so saddened that a group of players he likely respected, failed to see the beauty and sheer dominance of his gameplay. Every time somebody shares a nugget of "insight" about what an ass Russel is/was is only making those many, many Survivor fans who support him proven more right. He got to the end of the season in spite of those hurdles.
Would I play that way? Probably not. Do I think he's an arrogant SOB? Damn right. But just like the best teams in pro sports, they may be the most hated but they're also the most respected. If you want a popularity contest go dance with "celebrities" or sing karaoke on national TV. -
HAHA, okay...just realized when I first posted and declared that "maggots" should kneel before Russel, that may have set the tone for my post in a way I didn't intend. Ooops...I was thinking of the jury when I wrote that, and of course thought how ZOD or the Emperor would demand respect from them. LOL It wasn't directed to anybody who felt Russel sucks. My apologies...
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I am a Russell Hantz mark. I am. I think the guy is amazing. Thing is, and even he admitted this, Pavarti should have won this season hands down. Sandra winning, much like the first time, was a disgrace to the game. Russell is right, there is a flaw in the game. I was thinking this last night. The jury gets to sit around at Ponderosa discussing who they hate, who they're going to vote for, etc etc.. how is that fair? They don't even go into the Final Tribal with a clean slate. They already know who they're going to vote for. It's a shame, really. I agree with Russell's notion that America should get a vote. Why not? Let America vote and let them have a vote in the Final Tribal. It actually could have made a difference this season if it took away a vote from Sandra and/or gave it to Pavarti or Russell. I will give credit where credit is due even if it was a total concidence, Sandra manipulating Russell into getting rid of Coach was the biggest play of the season. That set into motion the Heroes thinking there was an all girl's alliance which set into motion JT's dumbassery. Again, a complete coincidence it turned out that way, but it is what it is. The jury blew it again. You're right, Russell, there IS a fatal flaw in the game when the person that deserves to win does not win in back to back seasons.
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Russell has the best social game ever, someone said it earlier the only thing he lacks is the ability to talk at the tribal council. He controlled the social aspect of the game, how else can you explain him getting all the other players to do exactly what he wanted. He allied with Parvati cause she was on the outs and so she had to trust him. He took on the majority lead by Boston Rob and took them out. He controlled the heroes thanks to JT's mistake and whenever Sandra ran to them he offered them better deals.
It's funny when they all try and look back and say they played a good honest game but they all jumped at a chance whenever he offered it. Rupert was shaking his hand, Colby made his speech then turned around and tried to get a deal with Russell, they never played the game clean they just werent as good at it.
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"That's why players bring weaker candidates to the table to make themselves look better."
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don't state that you are trying to get a jury to vote for you at the final tribal. That is a strategy or suggestion for playing, but not a rule as many of you state.
I have not yet come up with a way to make the show better, so no half-assed ideas. The thing that needs to change is how the jury votes. If they are all allowed to talk at the ponderosa, that does take the suspense (or need) out of the questioning at the final tribal. Just have them vote if they have been discussing the game and gaining information on what went down before that point. That was why I was so curious as to why the producers would allow all of te videos to air if the eliminated players were so gung-ho against Russell. -
There's no way you could make an honest unbiased decision on who to vote for based on the way the show is edited. The jurors were all there 24/7. Letting the viewing audience vote the winner would be extremely unfair because you are not seeing everything that happens. And why shouldn't the jurors discuss things together? That's part of the game too and always has been.
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if they were they would not be on the jury. And we Russell fans don't all think that he was screwed by the jury, just that he plays the game in a certain fashion and the people he ousted can't see past the anger to vote for him.
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May 17, 2010 4:13:24 PM CDT
Remember that viewers gave $100,000 to James in China.
by flim springfield
Outside votes are meaningless.
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He's a bully and can't argue his way out of his actions when he gets to final tribal. With that said, which is worse - the fact that his hands are dirty (very dirty) or the fact that Sandra's aren't dirty at all? Her win is not because of the good she did but because she wasn't a bad guy. And for all those people who say they would hate to work with a person like Russell I say that he might have a shitty attitude but at least he gets the job done and doesn't just sit around like Sandra. He's sort of like the Steve Jobs of Survivor. Sandra was able to stick around for 39 days but Russell controlled those 39 days. Russell's mistake was not sending her to the Ponderosa instead of Courtney so she could choke on her beloved blooming onions.
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WTF was that all about?
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... those who protest that the jury got it "wrong" just plain don't understand the game. They are playing a different game, by different rules. They, not the jury, are the ones who misunderstand and misperceive. Failing to ensure the most jury votes (by luck or design) is failing at survivor. THE END
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Russell is a bully and everyone sitting there at the end benefited from it.If the jury has an issue with Russell's hands being so dirty, IMHO then the winner realy should be the one who benefited from Russell the least of all.
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There is quite a bit of suspicion among some players that Pavarti was tipped off before that tribal council. And there is also suspicion that Pavarti was either shown tapes of Russell or told about him before the All Star season filmed, so she knew exactly what to expect. In fact, one player was considering making the accusation last night at the reunion, but decided not to. BTW, Courtney was supposedly as big a b**** as ever off camera last night.
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...during the first hour when he was talking about how the jury would "have to vote". I never thought he was that completely clueless. I actually think the guy has failed the most in the two season finales. During both jury questionings he's done a terrible job at even TRYING to turn anybody back to his side. He just states over and over how he's the best player and everybody else sucks. Never gonna work. Not sure it would have mattered this season as he had been such a completely evil troll for so long. All the bridges were already burned.
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That sucks. Knee injuries are no joke, though. Takes pro athletes a year and a half to come back from the really bad ones.
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...is the winner. That's part of the game. I've seen people I would have NEVER thought could be the winner turn a jury in the last couple weeks and take home the prize. Russell just doesn't have that gene, evidently. I do think a bigger audience prize and/or more than a million dollars for the winner aren't too far off. Especially if they do another all-star or heroes vs villains.
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Kind of disappointed it was here who was taken to the end. Not sure Jerri DESERVED it, but I would rather have seen her go that far. She probably would have won, too.
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disappointing.
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No wonder Russell looked so bleary eyed at the reunion show last season. He probably went from shooting season 1 to shooting season 2 and then straight to the season 1 reunion show. He probably had a strong sense from the season 2 tribal that he lost and probably wouldn't fare better once the results were read from season 1. After that reunion show he probably knew his fate was sealed going into last night.
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Heroes Vs. Villains finished shooting Sept. 16. The live 19th season reunion show was Dec. 20.
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Guess Russ was out on a bender the night before the december reunion show!
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...he was probably out partying because he thought he'd already won.
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Russell had such potential to be the best player but he ruined it for himself by constantly lying ALL THE TIME. He made solid strategic moves no questions about it. But as someone else alluded, he assumes nobody talks to anyone else. He bullies the women into voting his way. He is a great one on one charmer, but lacks the skills/confidence/gusto to talk in a group setting. You cant just lie to everyone swearing this and that on your kids life and expect people to reward you by saying "yeah man you played a good strategy lying to my face, heres a million dollars". Rob summed it best, play to get to the end but not to win.
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Survivor was just fine before Russell and it will be just fine after Russell.
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I just watched the final Ponderosa videos. I was quite surprised that they brought everyone together after the final vote. I would have though that the final three would have been kept separate from the jury. Funny to hear Russell still going with the trash talk even after the game was done.
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...there is no doubt that Sandra is the Queen!! She bested Rupert twice, Johnny Fairplay and Russell...she won amist the best collection of Survivors to ever play the game and she knows exactally what to say (and not say) at council...absolutely brilliant! She had Russell thinking she would only "get 1 vote, maybe...I don't know about thaaat." Keep getting your "hussle on" in Survivor!!!
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The jury has always been like it has been this season throughout Survivors history. Even before Ponderosa. Season 2 no one was close to dominating the game like Colby did and the shocker was Tina beat him due to a bitter jury.
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...that the people on the jury take things personally. Russell didn't watch the show if he never figured that out. Colby was stupid for taking Tina to the final vote and it cost him $900,000! You've gotta bring people to the final vote who the jury hates more than you. In seasons where there aren't 'super-villians' a la Johnny Fairplay and Russell I think that overall play trumps riding coattails as long as you're not too nasty in how you cast off the jury members...Russell, Johnny and Boston Rob on his first go around were over the top in their dismissals of jury members and you can't win like that.
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