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Quint weighs in on ROBIN HOOD... oh, and... OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I’m finding it difficult to muster up any sort of energy to write about Ridley Scott’s ROBIN HOOD… not only is it late, I’m tired and I have an interview in the morning, but the movie itself just doesn’t bring any real emotion out of me. If you’ve read the other reviews on the site I fall somewhere between Capone’s faintly praising review and Harry’s offended dissection. I’m with Capone for most of it, but he loses me when he talks about Scott proving he’s once again the master of epic period battle sequences. The final 30 minutes, the big fight on the beach, is by far the worst parts of the movie… choppy, amateurish, unmotivated… The biggest let down for me, personally. It hurts knowing some of the evolution of this project, I must admit. I can feign complete impartiality, but that would be dishonest. Knowing that it began the development process as a tale about the Sheriff of Nottingham, played by Crowe, and how he sees Robin Hood fascinated me. It’s much more interesting than doing a prequel, in my book, but hey… I love Russell Crowe, I love Ridley Scott, I love Cate Blanchett, I love Max Von Sydow, I love the story of Robin Hood. I might not have gone into the movie thinking it was the most interesting direction they could have gone in, but I went in trusting I’d get quality filmmaking from some of the best in the business. On a technical level ROBIN HOOD is fine until the aforementioned finale. The production design and cinematography is well done. There’s great attention to the period, layers of detail in every frame. I also don’t get the impression that any of the actors are phoning it in. Crowe comes the closest, but he feels more restrained than disinterested. What struck me about halfway through the movie was that I was just interested enough to be paying attention without feeling any kind of emotional investment. The only time that tilted over into genuine interest was when Robin was palling around with his Merry Men. I really liked their chemistry and felt their camaraderie was natural. Especially Kevin Durand and Scott Grimes, who I’ll always see as the kid from Critters. Mark Strong turns in some good evil bad guy work and I was surprisingly impressed by Oscar Isaac’s Prince/King John, who seemed ridiculous in the trailers. “OUTLLLLLAAAWWWWW” etc etc. That said, everybody who makes it to the finale are done a disservice. They spend so much time making John smarter and more weasely charming than I expected only to have him turn on a dime once he’s able to rally the people of England behind him. For no reason. It really makes me wonder if this project was KINGDOM OF HEAVENed because it seems like we’re missing an act between the big beach battle and the last 3 minutes in which Robin Longstride becomes Robin of the Hood. I really hope there’s a better cut out there, but I have a nagging feeling that the ending was tacked on in order to have trailer and TV spot moments (everything from OUTLAWWWWWWW to the arrow coming out of nowhere to nail the notice the Sheriff is trying to post to a tree comes from the last 3 minutes of the movie). The ending really gets me riled up thinking back on the film because it takes the movie from being a slight missed opportunity to straight up poor storytelling. And don’t get me started on the kid version of the Scarecrow that leads feral children into battle… or that they try to “Ripley” Maid Marion only to immediately have her fall helplessly into the water and nearly drown. So, we’re left with a movie that’s slightly mediocre, edging into good territory that totally jumps the shark/nukes the fridge/floats into the yellow love cave or whatever idiom you want to slap on it in the last act. That’s all I have to say about that, as Mr. Gump would say. Now I need to catch a few hours of sleep before I harass Jonah Hill and Nicholas Stoller. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter
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Only seen the trailer, but to me it looks like Crowe is phoning in Maximus with a wandering accent!
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...???
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they stumbled upon this Robin Hood thing and decided they could use it as a vehicle for Crowe to be Maximus-y. Thing is - they had ZERO interest in a real Robin Hood movie, so they changed it up, and eventually got lost over multiple big concept changes.
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and you call yourself geeks...<p> http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh
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May 14, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST
People who don't know the yellow love cave are THE LUCKY ONES
by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL
They don't know THE HORROR!
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And I liked the line: "The more the merrier!" and I liked the whole film. It was great to see 40 somethings rather than poofy weak teenage poofs as the leads too.
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Scott confirmed this. So there won't be a Kingdom Of Heaven-esque director's cut (which had 40 additional mins). Scott has made a thinking man's RH film, and the British broadsheets have been raving about this film. Ebert trashed it, but I think he was hoping for an Errol Flynn merry hippity-hoppity type film.
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For what it's worth.
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Got to say, the British Press is shit for reliable reviews - some of it raves, some of it slates, just no consistency. A lot of our reviewers see themselves as celebrities and suffer from Harry-syndrome, i.e. the review is more about them than the movie. Only one I think is regularly reliable is 'Total Film', and even that gets it way off base on occasion!
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And don't get me started on this 'real story behind the legend' bollocks...
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If I'm thinking about the same one as Quint, it's from this past week's LOST episode.
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but I would have rather seen a Gladiator prequel than a Maximus Hood movie this film is trying to pass itself off to be. Will probably wait til the home release/directors cut. Who am I kidding, I will probably wait until its on cable. Then again, by that time I will have lost all interest in seeing this.
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However, if this movie was about the revolutionary war, they would undoubtedly pan it. Just as they did the Patriot.
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plus this looks uninspired and shitty.
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This movie was a chore to sit through, and this is coming from someone who is a pretty strong supporter of Scott and Crowe.
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mate that latest episode sucked. so glad to see it's already getting introduced into contemporary culture, nice work
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reminds me of Gary Oldman's "EVERRYYOOONE!" If you don't know which movie that's from, then fucking shame on you.
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It's not a terrible movie overall, to be fair. The mythistorical origin of the Robin figure is correctly told for a change; that he was a common man from Yorkshire and not a nobleman. Yet one of the concepts underpinning the Robin Hood legend was the ongoing struggle of the Anglo-Saxon people against the imposition of Norman culture and the heavy taxation imposed by Franco-Norman royal houses, still a bone of contention even a century or more after the Battle of Hastings. There was also a strong element of paganism struggling against the christian church woven into the original tellings of the legend. Ironically only the Patrick Bergin version ever addressed these points with any degree of detail.
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People keep pointing out that it's getting "great reviews" in the Brit Press--every talkback on this film has mentioned it. Except that's not entirely true. Total Film called it the biggest vanity project since Battlefield Earth. So I'm not sure what they're on about.
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In my opinion. The Brit Times gave it four stars and a great review. So did The Guardian. Empire gave four stars. Its really gotten trashed Stateside, but remember Pauline Kael completely Blade Runner. American reviewers just don't like Scott's gritty realism, they like adventure films to be sugar coated.
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Never heard a word from you which drive me nuts. Cause you covered a few stories about it in the dev stages.
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But did the french really have landing craft of the kind used in the trailer? Looks like the producers enjoyed the beginning of Saving Private Ryan, so they asked to borrow their boats.
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Everyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooonnnnneeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
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Is like the greatest nutso scream in all of cinema!
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Although, good luck trying to come up with as good of a parody as "THIS. IS. CAAAKKETOOWWWWNNN!!!"
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Maybe Scott should leave them alone. Look how far Lucas fell when he tried to recreate the genius of his youth...
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May 14, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST
I declare this talkbacker... to be an OUTTTLLAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
by turketron_2
Only good part of the trailers.
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<p>I'm finding it difficult to muster up any sort of energy to comment on Quint's review.
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That poor Outlaaaaawwww guy.<p> For the rest of his life, whether he's in a swanky London brasserie or attending a nice dinner, he's gonna have people saying to him "go on mate - do your outlaaaawwwww. Go on please - give us just one outlaaaaawwww for old times sake?" <p> For the first few weeks it'll be quite fun - a bit of notoriety. But then it'll start to piss him off. And before too long he will flinch as if in physical pain whenever someone mentions it... for the rest of his life...<p> OUTLAAAAAAAWWWWW.
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Cobra Kai, looking forward to karate kid reboot???
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My biggest issue with Iron Man 2 is again the directors treatment of his villains! One of Iron Man 1's main criticisms was the end fight between Iron Man and Iron Monger, so you'd think Favreau would of taken this on board and made sure those mistakes were rectified? Instead he has a villain who is far cooler and interesting than the first films, yet decides to confine him to sittin in a room for much of the movie?!? Then theres the end fight between IM, Warmachine and Whiplash, which is once again a huge let down! It lasts 30 seconds! All Favreau had to do really was add another scene or two with Whiplash in action and then ensure that the main fight at the end has the payoff fans waited the entire length of the movie to see! Simples!!
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the fact that lost has inspired a new "jumped the shark" type phrase is so fun, i can barely contain myself.
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May 14, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST
OUUUUUTTTTLAAAAWWWWWW is this year's BOMB in his RIBCAGE!
by Nasty In The Pasty
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I_shot_Cyrus, i'm already planning a fire-bombing campaign of every theater that dares screen it...<p> Failing that i'll just stand outside the doors and crane kick everyone who buys a ticket.
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I sent this to Harry to post, but I doubt he'll follow through. Please enjoy! Part 1 of "District Zombie" starts here. http://tinyurl.com/25u94yt Check out the Wikus impersonation!
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i LOVE it.
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The completely ludicrous notion of Marion being a warrior, which not only never happened in legend, no woman ever, not once, ever in England took up arms in any battle ever. Why do we have to have 21st century notions forced upon the medieval stories? I HATE when films do that. It's like setting a film in the 1940's and showing a woman going into a free clinic for an abortion, or with no one smoking. Stupid political correctness that takes you right out of the film immediately.
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The Brits will only love it because it's not about the revolutionary war? Seriously, THAT's why we hated The Patriot!?! And here was me thinking it was because The Patriot was a pile of steaming shite! Listen, we're well used to being portrayed as the go-to bad guys in the vast majority of Hollywood movies and we really don't care - it doesn't affect our reviews and it keeps our many elderly/stage actors in work! The only time we take issue is when movies are presented in such a way, a la The Patriot, that uneducated idiots with access to the internet but no interest in authoritive fact take them to be historically accurate. The revolutionary war WAS NOT as is presented in that movie. The atrocities attributed to the British characters just DID NOT HAPPEN, and neither were they perpetuated by the Americans. Fact of the matter is that it was just about the most civilised war ever fought - if such a thing is possible - because it was not an 'us against them' situation. Everyone saw themselves as being the same, brothers, and it was about nothing more than taxation and enfranchisment. The film turns it into something it really was not, makes a hero out of a character plainly based on none other than Francis Marion - a well known self-holder and all round bastard who was the closest thing to a bad guy in the entire conflict! - and perpetuates ridiculous, utterly refutable misconceptions held by the likes of you. THAT, my friend, is why we don't like films like The Patriot. NOT because we lost the revolutionary war. We dealt with THAT years ago!
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Russell Crowe cuts BBC interview short over suggestion his accent in Robin Hood sounds Irish <br> http://tiny.cc/hcae5
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And you got your head...all the way up it!
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... and ask what his accent is in Robin Hood. I dare ya! :-P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTcyyGtCpHU <p> The fun starts mid-way. <p> Ending is priceless.
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This shit gets on my nerves as well, same as the "everybody can be a knight, fight for your freedom, bla bla bla" crap that fills modern epics. It's a flagrant attempt to draw in whatever audience the producers think might be turned off by the source material at first glance. Fuck that shit.
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May 14, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST
I hate it when they try to historically depict legendary
by MobileAccess
& mythical characters. Just show us the myth, jackasses.
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from Wolfman trailer.
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ok, I'm done.
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At least I got chicken.
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What? What? Getting excited. <br> http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/05/14/wall-street-2-review-from-cannes <br> "Charlie Sheen has a welcome, winning cameo as Bud Fox. Sylvia Miles returns as the cranky real estate agent. WS2 should be released now, not in the fall. It’s very timely. Maybe greed is good now, but so is this movie."
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Glad to hear that everybody else is making fun of it too. It sounds hilarious and forced.
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To be an OOOUUTTTTLLLAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Anyone see the link on Drudge? <br> http://www.infowars.com/racist-film-machete-produced-with-taxpayer-funds/ <br> It's a bit amusing about Fox scrubbing their sites.
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I avoided KoH in the theaters because of the shitty reviews. If I had actually gone to see it, and seen that POS, I might never have bothered to watch the DC and perpetually consigned the film to the scrapheap. Given the reviews on this so far, I'm thinking it might be a good idea to wait for the eventual DC. <BR><BR>As an aside, what the fuck is wrong with the studios? If the problem here is the same as with KoH, have they not fucking learned that YOU DO NOT CUT RIDLEY SCOTT MOVIES to fill some idiotic notion of a summer action blockbuster. You will inevitably end up with a weaker film as a result when the original unexpurgated version would have worked better with audiences in the first goddamn place.
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NO ONE SLEEPS!!
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I loved the way he delivered that line so much that I looked up on IMDB who the actor was when I first saw the trailer. Oscar Isaac. Gave the line some electricity and madness. Oh, yeah and Oldman's "EVERYOOOOONNNNEEEE" is freaking classic.
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A major misstep. I have been begging for a good revolutionary war film, and yet there have been none.
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I'm not english and i felt insulted by the way the english were portaited in the movie. Those onscreen weren't english, they were fucking WWII nazis in red coats. Give me a break! Yeah, right, 18th century englishmen would burn chriches with children, women and the olderly in it! It wasn't even a catholic church, and even that would be pushing it!
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After hundreds, if not thousands of years showing the fantasy version of the myths and legends, it's actually a breath of fresh air to present a move realsitic one. And that in itself doesn't kill the fun off it. What kills it is the same thing that would make a fantasy version presentation also suck ass: incompetent filmmakers making dumb movies from shitty scripts.
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You stink. You're a stinker and you stink.
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John Adams miniseries on HBO. Rent it; it's great.
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of "outlaw?"
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Thanks for saving me some money this weekend AICN.
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...OutlAWWWWWWWWW! <p> Sorry. (Shrug) Couldn't resist.
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May 14, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST
Why My Friend Roger Ebert is an OUTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
by EddieMurphysLaugh
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There have to be some clever/funny OUTLAAAAWWWWW!!! remix/parody/joke videos out there. The shit is just too epic.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr-6ZjlGuBU - so fucking funny
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You "really hope there's a better cut out there"...????<p>Look if it's not in the cinema release then I'm not interested. Why release a substandard film if there's a better one in the box. I've stop believing this bullshit about studio interference as Ridley is a big enough director to get his own way. In fact if there was studio interference it might have been a better movie.<p>Let's move on and discuss better films by better directors. Ridley has had his day and he can look back on it very proudly. He's just not providing the goods anymore!
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I said no to this movie when they made their appearance in the trailer...
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Wouldn't it have been cool to have Nigel Terry reprise his "dopey" Prince John for this Robin Hood? Eh, on second thought, he may be a little long in the tooth.
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It's the same goddamn Island energy we've seen before. You guys act like it came out of nowhere.
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This 'the theatrical version sucks, but wait for the Director's Cut' is a total cop out. If they didn't get it right for the main theatrical release, then they didn't get it right, period.
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Thanks for the vote man. I just wanted to add that I pay my good hard earned money to go see a movie. It's not cheap, usually around $15 per person. So for me and my girlfriend it's $30 plus fuel plus food etc.<p>So I like to get good value for money. As much as I hate to say it, Ridley is no longer good value for money. That's why I get really annoyed with all this "they'll make it better for home release" - I'm sorry but if you can't get it right for the theatrical version then - Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me!
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i think everyone should type that at least once
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The fact directors are able to tweak films that may have been shite due to studio interference or a rushed production is a bonus for the viewer. I'd rather see a longer version while also saving money by not going to see it in the theaters... I'm more likely to wait for the DVD release than pay $10 at the cinema exactly for that reason.
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And don't forget: Blade Runner. The Abyss. Terminator 2. Brazil. Payback. Kingdom of Heaven. Leon. Watchmen. Aliens. Das Boot. Dances with Wolves. Once Upon A Time In The West. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Close Encounters. Wyatt Earp. I Am Legend. Dark City. JFK. Daredevil. The Exorcist.
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Yeah, saw him in a Doctor Who episode from 2008. I was shocked. Shocked, I tell you! He was an old man (as, apparently, am I).
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Maybe that's just the other end of the Dharma black smoke-summoning toilet cave. Icky.
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Outlaw, indeed.
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Robert Shaw = Greatest Sheriff of Nottingham ever!
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Lawson obviously touch a raw nerve with the reference to Crowe's 'Dick Van Dyke' attempts at a 'regional' accent. Fair call, twas pretty distracting, a bit of the old oirish drifting in and out of some Ecky Thump Barnsley! Lawson called it fair and square in that radio interview; the fact that Crowe was so riled by the comment (which was fairly innocuous) is proof that even he knew it was shite, hence the knee jerk hissy fit. He's a gifted actor, but too far up his own arse - he takes himself way too seriously and has proven he can't handle any kind of criticism without throwing his toys out of the pram. Beneath that hairy arsed ludite persona is just another mard arsed luvvie who expects blind sycophancy from his interviewers. He's gone off the boil, too many safe choices and too cosy with those fat Shitseltown paydays.
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it's a shame that he only did 3 of those alien, br, legend. the visuals in those movies were heavenly and no one, not even james camerons mickey mouse school of roger corman can get near that. His historics have great productions but lack the spark of his fantastical things.
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Nothing beats watching this 30 times in a row.
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I hope you have seen ROBIN AND MARIAN. It's as good as they say.
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MacReady452, that has to be a horrible joke. I can't take anyone seriously if they think Blanchett is a bad actress.
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Let's wait until the last episode until we start lumping Lost segments with other famous 'jump the shark' moments. I predict Lost will never go down in history as having a 'jump the shark' moment when all is said and done.
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He's gone so far down the Hollywood trail of late that he's lost much of the brilliance and singular originality that characterised his earlier work - Dualists, Alien, Blade Runner et al. I'm hoping he gets back to his roots with this Alien Prequel and doesn't shy away from the pacing, atmosphere an hallmark visual style that made the original so effective.
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Wasn't looking forward to it one little bit, so it was a nice suprise.
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Nightmare - I didn't see it until opening weekend... and I splurged... went for D-Box! Short review is that it's sloppy. Some good ideas (Freddy's innocence, micro-naps, coma meaning constant state of sleep, the idea that Freddy can fuck with his victims even after their death, before their brain shuts down, etc) that are all either executed poorly or just dropped all-together. Big missed opportunity, especially with Jackie in the tattered red and green sweater.
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he hated it. I could tell when I cornered him on it. He thinks I'm crazy, and I think he's crazy and we're fine with that. We are... all crazy after all. Thinking apes, the lot of us.
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Forget about that, watch Robin Hood instead.
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...WHILE DELIVERING "OUTLAAAAAAWWW!" and a Log of Loxley!
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not a mullet in sight. And no soft rock balladeering, thank feck!
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not a mullet in sight. And no soft rock balladeering, thank feck!
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"No woman ever, not once, ever in England took up arms in any battle ever." <p><p> Boudica would like to have a word with you.
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Who remembers that classic one?
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Although I agree, having Marion suddenly put on armor and go into the fray is ridiculous, England actually does have a history of women who have done exactly that, including Queen Boudica. In addition there's actually quite a bit of evidence that the celts and those that came before them had warlord queens, including women buried with their chariots and depictions in art of women fighting from pre-roman times.
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I keep telling you the Alien prequel will suck and Scott is over-rated. But do you listen? NOOOOOO.
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...starring Ice Cube as Robin Hood and the Pants on the Ground guy as Little John and Whitey McWhitington as the Sheriff of Nottingham
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I like how Gary Oldman continues to look straight even after his questioning lackey goes away.
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Also right before he says it, he has this real quick "WTF?" look on his face where his mouth has a mini-spasm.
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Sawit tonight, it's great. Classy old-school filmmaking with an amazing score. The douches reviewing here on AICN can go back to Kick-Ass and Nightmare On Elm Street.
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...that I'm not the only one...who's tired of hearing "OUTLAAAAAWWWW!"
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to be DERP!
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What keeps it from being an A grade is the final battle scene. I agree that it's not really on par with the rest of the film. But I really disagree about the end of the film where the prince breaks his word about the charter. He was obviously never going to keep his word. I personally LOVE that he claims that God gave him the right to rule over everyone in England. That is how it was done. Fuck. Sarah Palin is trying to do it today!! I loved that dig at the insane claim to divine right to rule other people. I LOVE that the US was founded on the claim that if there is any divine right to rule it is that of a man to rule himself!!
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and declared Harry AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
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May 14, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST
Doctor Who stole his TARDIS from the Time Lords
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
and became AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
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May 14, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST
Gordon has a beer and cheets on his OOOOOUUUTTTTLLAAAWWWW!!!!
by Nasty In The Pasty
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May 14, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST
All your OUUUTTTLLLAAAWWWW!!!!!s are belong to us
by Nasty In The Pasty
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I DRINK IT UP!!!
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May 14, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST
Real OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWW!!!s should be intelligent and talk
by Nasty In The Pasty
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Clash of the Titans, Alice in Wonderland, now Robin Hood all very disappointing.<br />Iron Man good not great<br />Shrek Forever and Prince of Persia - early comments are somewhere between poor and ok<br />Don't let us down Nolan
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"Robin of Sherwood" is the best RH to date. Nasir was a badass. <br> http://www.boldoutlaw.com/robspot/0599.html
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May 15, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST
What's wrong with being political? It's usually the norm with re
by Bruce of all Trades
Harry, I declare you to be an OOOOOOUUUUTTTTLLLAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Goddamn these talkback posting options. . . or lack thereof.
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the greatest actor in the world doesn't respond well to anything other than glowing praise
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After that it completely fell apart. The final battle scene was more like a montage quick shots, never did it focus on any of the individual battles that were taking place, with exception to Russell Crowe capping Godfery. This would of been a wonderful movie if the final battle scene was epic.
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Yes THE PATRIOT was indeed insulting bunkum with the satanic English burning church-fulls of colonial Americans and laughing as they did so...<p> The chief offender was obviously Jason Isaacs, but you know what - take Isaacs out of that movie and it would have been unwatchably tedious. So although he was the main prob from a historical point of view I cant be the only one that thought his villainous performance was the best thing in THE PATRIOT!
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Ganymede, that's 66% better than much of the crap Harry tries to tell us is AWESOME (ELM STREET, SERBIAN FILM, SPIDERMAN 3, GODZILLA, VAN HELSING... the shit list goes on and on and on).<p> I will see this - if only for the beautifully crafted costumes, sets and cinematography.<p> Harry's decree that this 'deserves' to die at the box office are an insult to the artisans who made this movie, and indeed to all true film buffs that salute ambition and quality over plastic dumbed down 'product'.
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Boudica lived before England even existed. Claiming Boudica as an english heroine is a ret-con. Back then, they were celts. Boudica was celt queen. And she didn't even took direct action in the battle, she was the army leader. And not a very good one at that, she was defeated by a roman army 1/3rd of the size of hers.
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Indeed Jason Isaacs was the only thing worth watching in that pile of crap called THE PATRIOT. So much so, that i even wanted him to win. It happens to me when a vilalin is a far better character played by a far better actor the the hero. And Mel Gibson is no slouch!
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However, Bush got elected twoce becasue he made a lot of morons believe he had God on his side and he had a direct link to God, that though him god was indeed ruling the USA. If anything, Bush's precidency was the futherst thing from the ideals of the founding fathers of America. I guess that if those founding fathers had ever guessed soembody like Bush Jr would be elected as the ruler of the nation, they wouldn't evne had bothered with the independence thing and kept on being good british patriots.
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May 15, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
Russell Crowe threw a phone at a hotel employee
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
and became AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
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they played in the Daredevil movie the first time they showed the Kingpin. The song made the Kingpin's first appearance pretty dumb, but it did go something like "I'm AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!"
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Lorenzo Lamas portrayed AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
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May 15, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST
Caprica, you sir know nothing of English history.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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If you say Ridley Scott's ROBIN HOOD is good, i believe you. You are one of the few litmus tests for me about the quality of a movie i haven't seen yet.<br><br>And frankly, all the talk and reasonings i have read so far to why RH is not good is not convincing me. And then there's the fact that most negative reviews come from USA, and the positives from UK. About a movie about Robin Hood, which is a Britain's local legend. Shouldn't that be telling?
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For the crimes against his majesty of mediocrity, choppy battle scenes and offending fan boys (myself included)...but on a more serious note, as I said in the Capone review TB of this mediocrity is not a crime to me and I will see Robin Hood so that I can decide for myself.
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May 15, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST
Should have made a Gladiator prequel 5 years ago.
by MyScreenplayWasRejected
Imagine Marcus Aurelius (Ian McKellen this time?) taking Maximus to Syria to fight the Parthians. Awesome shit would have ensued. Lucilla could have been in it too. It could have been glorious.
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I enjoyed Iron Man 2, so maybe I'm easily pleased. Then again, I don't bring as much baggage into movies as everyone else seems to. I'd say Harry brought waayy too much baggage into this one. Especially when you start ranting on the spelling of Locksley or Loxley or whatever the fuck.
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I'm not easily pleased and i enjoyed IRON MAN 2. And like you, i also don't bring baggage either when i go watch the movies. Neither against nor pro. And if you ask me, the majority of the reasons people bring up to why Ridder's ROBIN HOOD movie is bad just don't ring true to me, or they just rub me the wrong way. I suspect that if ROBIN HOOD is bad, it will be for different reasons, if you know what i mean.
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That's not a spelling. It's the older form of the name Locksley. Loxley is closer to ancient english as spoken in the 12th century, and thename is even older then that, probably of anglo-saxon origin. In fact, Loxley is still the name of a city in today's England, where supposedly Robin came from. So, Harry's bitching about the spelling of "Loxley" is not only off the mark, it's even a show of ignorance. This is what happens when people take their history lessons from movies, specially Hollywood older movies, which couldn't give a shit about historical accuracy.
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It reminds me of people getting pissed that "King Arthur" didn't have sorcery in it. That's the wrong reason to dislike that movie. There are plenty of more relevant criticisms of that film. If I have a problem with Robin Hood, it won't be because the story is different. The story has been told and retold so many times, I don't need to see the same thing all over again. Besides, legendary figures are elusive and not written in stone. We're talking about a character that probably never existed, and if he did, was nothing like our recent interpretations.
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"We're talking about a character that probably never existed, and if he did, was nothing like our recent interpretations."<br><br>Indeed. And speaking of robin Hood movie,s let's be frank here, the only of those that actually has an accurate portait of medieval times are just two: ROBIN AND MARIAN and the Tv movie ROBIN HOOD made in 1991 which was made at the same time as Kevin Costner's (and which i was in the theaters, by the way, was released theatrically in Europe). Everything else has been, shall we say, very lose with their history.<br><br>One thing i know for sure i'll get, and i'll get it good from Ridley's movie: a very accurate and cool looking depiction of the middle ages, with little comparion from much else. As forthe story, well, if the movie is as political as they say it is, this will also be a first: an atempt to portait the england political state of that time. Which for anyone who actually cared to know about it, it reads like the plot of an action movie. Tehre was so much stuff going on politically in england at that time, that the story of a robber in Sherhood would had looked like a local minor inconvinience. This is the time when a political revolution happened in England, the Magna Carta, which made such an impact in world history that to this day we are still living it's consequences. And its fresh that an american would piss and moad aboutt hat aspect of teh movie, when in fact their own democracy was inspired by the Magna Carta by their founding fathers.<br><br>And everytime i see soembody complain about a movie, specially an historical movie, because it has political intrigue, it strikes me as pretty shallow. Pretty fucking shallow.
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Had to throw that in there!
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Well done.
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That was the one with Uma Thurman right? I remember seeing that and liking it (it was much more gritty, if I remember correctly). And yeah, I'm looking forward to Ridley's Robin Hood for the very reasons you mentioned. That was a fascinating and scary time. We'll see. I'll be back tomorrow night with my thoughts.
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May 15, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST
Matt, you have to admit, if King Arthur did have sorcery..
by Ganymede3001
That would of taken the movie over the top into the stratosphere of greatness! Depicting Merlin as a reclusive archer was a huge letdown. Have no fear, I'm sure they'll be announcing a King Arthur reboot any day now, if they haven't already.
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I normally don't guess people's motivations... but wtf why not... my guess is that Harry wants IM2 to do well because it's success means the continuing marvel movies... and since RH didn't blow up his skirt he doesn't want it to pull away business from IM2... in fact i'd say he feels kinda pissed that RH didn't do much for him and sees it as kind of a pointless movie to have made just to turn into competition for a IM2. i'm not judging harry for this... i'm just saying that it's my guess
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<p class=MsoNormal>Through reading these Robin Hood talkback posts I keep seeing mention of how great Kingdom of Heaven: Director’s Cut was.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>So I set aside 3hrs today to watch it.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I previously saw the cinematic version and was disappointed by how slow and confusing it was.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I was hoping the Director’s <span class=GramE>Cut</span> fixed all of that, but I was wrong.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I will say the Director’s cut was a lot less confusing and a better film.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However, it’s still slow as hell, boring and somewhat confusing at times.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Completely overrated on these talkbacks.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I can’t believe some are comparing it to Gladiator, and even saying it was better.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Gladiator was a much better movie, in the sense it was actually fun and watchable.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>In fact, they shouldn’t even be compared as they are very different movies.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Gladiator was essentially an action movie dressed up as a dramatic/ ancient era piece.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However, KOH is really a deep, thought provoking, ancient era cinematic film.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>Sorry if I turned this into a KOH talkback, but was tired of hearing KOH praise w/o other points-of-view.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Here’s my high level synopsis:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>GOOD:<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>+ Acting is great across the board, world class thespians</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>+ Great special effects</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>+ Battle scenes</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>+ Cinematography</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>BAD:<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Very boring, slow, like watching a history documentary on A&E</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Villain has little depth, purpose, <span class=GramE>seemed</span> to just be evil to be evil</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Seemed directionless, jumped all over the place</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Too pretentious</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Bloom didn't seem to fit the role, lacked gravitas</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal'>- Overall confusing story, hard to understand dialogue at times</p>
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how much money did the studios pay those guys off?
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moron
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even KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
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Yes, the TV robin Hood movie was with Uma Thurman, whihc i think played a great version of Maid Marion.<br><br>I saw Ridley Scott's ROBIN HOOD, and here's some of my thoughs:<br><br>All the claims presente dfor why the movie is bad, as in, it's not like the other movies being made, specially the Errol (Paedophile) Flynn's movie, is absolute nonsense. As the english say, a whole bunch of bollocks. Yeah, the movie is not like most other Robin Hood movies, deal with it. In fac,t the movie dares to rpesent a different, new retelling of the Robin Hood legend. Sadly, it's not as radical as "Nottingham". But it has ambition and is it's own animal. Which is more then can be said about most movies which AICN have gushed about recently.<br><br>The movie is very well made technically, which from Ridley Scott cames as no suprise.<br><br>The acting is not memorable by anybody in the mvoe, unless the "OUTLAAAAAAAAAW" becames a meme at AICN, then yes, that is one memorable thing from the movie's acting.... whatever.<br><br>The element in the story which should really be the deal maker or breaker for this movie is not how slavish it follows the traditional tellings of Robn Hood or not... or should i say, the traditional movie telling of the tale... but in fact, the use of history for the sake of drama. and this is where the movie is a mixed bag for me.<br><br>On one hand, the movie is pretty clever in the way it uses 12th century England history to portait a paralel and a metaphor for today's state of the world, specially about the UK itself and USA as well. With both the kings of england of the movie, Richard Lionheart and John, this two present a not-too-veiled attack on the Georgie Dumbya Bush administration and also on Tony Blair's. Lionheart is the warhawk Bush, who over-spent the public onery to finance a stupid and useless war which served more the personal interests of a ruler then the true interests of a people and a nation. And which gets destroyed by it. In the case of Lionheart, he literally dies from his war folly, in combat. King John is the administrative side of Bush, and also a paralel to Tony Blair, who based with the Bush folly, lost control over the financial situation of their countries. And who decided to the way to make amends of their mistakes was to raise taxes even more, so that he people have to pay the bill of the ruler's mistakes. That's in the movie, and not exactly subtle.<br><br>What's more problematic is this constant misconception that Lionheart and the rulers of england atthe tiem considerd themselves english. They didn't, they though themselves french. The whole top nobility in England considered themselves french. Many of them didn't even bother to learn the english language, like Lionheart. Godfried's traitous actiosn in the movie, in view of real history, aren't all that traitous after all. In reality, he would consider himself french and as such, he was just siding with the true King of France, and not the pretenders that Lionheart and his family were.<br><br>The most puzzling historical stuff inthe movie is, of course, the french invasion plot. This is where the movie is absolute nonsense. Why would France even bother invading England? You know why it's absurd? Because the House of the Plantagenets, which ruled england, had mor epossessions in France then the King Of France himself. If there was something that the Kings of France did back then, was to concentrate their attention and resourses in getting back the french territories from the English Crown. Which they did. What the French Crown did then was to try to make the English spread out their forces by constantly supporting and financing the Scots and Irish to rebel against the English. The direct invasion of England plot is, historically speaking, complete nonsense. But draamtically, within the movie, it works. Because the movie's theme is the theme of the movie is that rules shouldn't have their base of power from divine source, but from the will of the people and their representatives. Thus, the inclusion of the Magna Carta element in the story, which the movie makes it as if it's the enlighted idea of a commoner/yeoman, when in fact, it's just the continuation of the parlemantary traditions of the saxons and the celt people that lived in Britain before the norman invasion. Hell, even the normans, descendent from vikings, had a similiar system! The Magna Carta was a compromise of two ideals about kingship, one that stated that kings had divine right to rule, and the other, older form, in which a king was a first among equals among the nobility and elected as king due to merit and prestige.<br><br><br>And the blatant xenophobic attitude the movie has against the french is just too much. Specially weird since Ridley Scott owns a house in Provence, France and spends most of his time there when not making movies. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that in Franc epeiople would be burning DVDs of BLADE RUNNER, ALIEN and GLADIATOR as we speak. Or maybe the french have a sense of humour about it and are just laughing their asses off at the silliness of it all.<br><br>Ridley Scott's ROBIN HOOD is a far smarter movie then many claim it to be, while it's also a flawed movie, but for different reasons many claim it to be. It's not flawed because it doens't follow the strict dictums of the Robin Hood legend as told by Hollywood movies. The flaws comes from elsewhere. Adn they aren't as many as to make claims the movie is bad. no it's not. It's better then what Quint himself said it is. And really, a word of advise to the AICN reviewers here, you guys should criticise a movie's historical content and correctness if all you know about medieval tiems cames form the movies.... Hollywood movies for that matter. No, really, just don't! It will not make you look smart, quite the contrary.<br><br>Another thing, which i find funny: The british are having much more fun and good things to say about this latest Robin Hood movie then the americans. And the legend is english. It's from England, it's their traditional legend. And they are having very little problems accepting and enjoying this new interpretation of the legend. unlike their american cousions. Which beg the question, what are the american negative reviewers really complaining about? Well, if i venture a guess, the american negative reviewers are complianing the new movie is not like the older Hollywood american Robin Hood movies. The interesting thingis that about Robin Hood, many americna reviewers are having a more conservative attitude then the very people whom really the legend are theirs. Weird this.
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The Patrick Bergin version was notable in that it focused strongly on one of the concepts underpinning the Robin Hood legend, that being the ongoing struggle of the Anglo-Saxon people against the imposition of Norman culture, which of course went hand in hand with the heavy and unjust taxation imposed by Franco-Norman royal houses, still a prime bone of contention even a century or more after the Battle of Hastings. There was also a strong element of paganism struggling against the christian church woven into the original tellings of the legend.
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Certainly all the legends concerning Robin Hood have a very strong anti-clerical element, even those that date back to the 15th century, even before the protestant reformations of King Henry VIII.
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Asi, blimey that's quite a treatise you wrote there.<p> I understand from other reviews that ROBIN HOOD shows the death of Richard The Lionheart and I was wondering if they stick to the accepted 'tale' which is a rather splendid story...<p> While inspecting castle defenses, and not wearing armor, Richard is fatally wounded by an arrow shot by a boy whose father had been killed by the king's men. <p>Upon hearing that the boy shot him in revenge the dying Richard orders his soldiers to release the assassin and sends him away with a purse of coins "Live on and by my grace behold the light of day".<p> Is that scene in the movie?
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May 16, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST
Roman Polanski is an OOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTLLLLLLLL
by Van_Dammes_Forehead_Lump
It's true.
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May 16, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST
LLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Van_Dammes_Forehead_Lump
It's true.
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No, that isn't in the movie. <p> SPOILER <p> He dies in combat at the start of the movie, he is leading the attack on a french castle. They breach the gate, and just at that instant the french decide to break for lunch. A cook that brings their lunch grabs a crossbow, takes aim and hits richard through the neck.
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Crossbowed by a cook eh?<p> What happens to the cook? Does he get pardoned by the dying King?
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Not exactly. In the movie, Lionheart is killed by a cook who relieved onje of the crossbowmen and took a shot at Lionheart. He dies almost imediatly. So, while generally, the movie is right in that Lionheart died during a siegue of a minor relativly unimportant fortress, the presentation is not entirely correct. The movie ROBIN AND MARION was more accurate.
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Then Lionheart dies, the movie's focus is entirely on Robin. It doesn't evne bother with showing Lionheat's burial, on account then Robin and his men are running away throughout the french countryside, as deserters and escaping from inprisionement and a death sentense.
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Is Andy Serkis in this?
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Just wanted to join the fun... heh...
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The best interpretations of Robin Hood, BY FAR, were: <p> 1. Daffy Duck. <p> 2. The Muppet Show. <p> Fact. :-)
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Yet another Ridley Scott snooze fest. Yawn...
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Crowe can play Newton, Blanchett can be the Sea Witch. Mark Pillow can be Herc.
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So sayeth Darth Vader.
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May 16, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST
I declare Randy Quaid... AN OOOUUTTTLLLAAAWWWWW!!!
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
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I didnt hate this movie but I didnt love it. It was just there. The parts I liked best were the parts that actually touched on Robin's thieving shenanigans. But I couldnt care less about the rest. It was definitely a chore to sit through. The battle was a mess and rather pointless. Marion turning from warrior chica to damsel in distress was idiotic. Also could have done without the bleeding kiss. And I actually kinda liked Kingdom of Heaven. Guess I'm in the minority.
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was Robin Hood : Men in Tights. Also more realistic. We all know it was far more common to see a traveling Rabbi in olde England than a friar. They didnt even have electricity. Noone was frying anything back then.
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Getting "Rick Rolled" is so 2008...
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The most fun i've had in the cinema for ages. Has Hollywood really dumbed you all down this much that you no longer have the attention span to watch a proper film? With the amount of genuinely bad movies out there, for this to get slated beggars belief.
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Fucking film "The Kind One" already... and make it great. I'd take Ben Foster over Casey Affleck too.
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