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The 3D JUDGE DREDD Movie...
Merrick here...
Andrew Macdonald’s DNA Films has made a deal with India-based Reliance Big Entertainment and IM Global to finance Judge Dredd, a 3D film that was scripted by Alex Garland, and will be directed by Pete Travis,
..says Deadline HERE.
Scripter Alex Garland wrote 28 DAYS LATER, SUNSHINE, and that HALO movie which never got made. Pete Travis directed VANTAGE POINT (with Dennis Quaid, Matthew Fox, Forrest Whitaker and Sigourney Weaver).
They're evidently going back to the comic source material (HERE
) as opposed to cannibalizing Stallone's 1995 movie...
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was a Demolition Man sequel instead.
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is the perfect 'Lazy Sunday' movie to watch with a lemonade. It was a lot more entertaining than expected.
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I mean, Stallone seemed perfect for the role.<P> Special effects seemed decent at the time.<P> The costumes looked legit.<P> I've never read the comic, so I don't know.
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They destroyed the last one!
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"I knew you'd say that."
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that is until he rose from the ashes and gave us a new rocky and rambo, now he's a complete bad ass. again.
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Because no one else cares about this property.
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May 11, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST
That trailer makes me want to watch the movie again though
by JackSlater4
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Double whammy...
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I read the headline as "Third Dredd Movie" and wondered, WTF happened to the second one?
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Stop raping the comics when you don't have the balls to make them properly! <p> ARGH!
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It tried to be Rashoman, but fucked it all up.</p><P>They've been talking about new Judge Dredd movies for 15 years. It would be nice if it actually happened this time.</p><p>I didn't hate the Stallone version either.
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and as Jack Slater would say - big mistake.
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that summer of 95. I know that's not saying much, but I was 12 I saw all three at the theater and enjoyed Dredd the most. Stallone's Dredd gets too much hate. Sly suited the role, the script was OK and the action scenes were decent. And Diane Lane was hot, I still have a crush on her.
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brightest cadet they've ever seen
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when he speaks he never says it twice
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can Matthew Fox put on enough weight to play this character?
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May 11, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST
And they need to have the Anthrax song play over end credits
by RETURN_of_FETT
That's what got me into the character, I Am The Law from Anthrax's Among the Living CD. Pretty badass track and fucking NEEDS to be in the movie.</p><p>The last iteration of a Judge Dredd film was actually 2 films that were going to be made back-to-back and feature Judge Death prominantly. He's a pretty far out character, but it would be cool to see him show up at some point.
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That movie stunk. And this 3D Judge Dredd movie is going to stink too. Who cares if they use the source material? Not like the comics were any great shakes.
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I'd see Stallones Dredd before I'd watch Iron Man 2 again. There, I said it.
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Not to be.
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any crime committed is a sin!
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"Living is a crime!"
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It's basically Dirty Harry in Blade Runner. That's pretty cool. Judge Dredd was based on Dirty Harry as a matter of fact. The comic is a parody of America's desire for fascistic control over teh masses.</p><p>As a point of reference, Ed Neumeier wanted to make a Judge Dredd film as soon as the comics hit big in the 80's, but couldn't afford the rights. So he decided to do it anyway, with a few twists. The result is Robocop.
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Can a Doctor Tongue's 3D House of Stewardesses remake be far behind? http://tinyurl.com/279mzpt
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Dredd is a fascist.<br /><br />That's your explanation right there.<br /><br />Hollywood will not make a movie where a fascist cop is the "hero". I don't think mainstream movie going audiences would be ready for a movie where a fascist cop is the "hero". And by hero I mean protagonist, because in many many stories, Dredd is the bad guy.<br /><br />Understand, we're not talking about an anti-hero. We're not talking about Dirty Harry, or a maverick cop who gets the bad guys but doesn't follow the law. We're not talking about vigilantes or bounty hunters. He's the bad guy.<br /><br />We're talking about a fascist tool of a police state. It can make for some very good comics, in both satire and political analysis. But a hollywood movie? Fuck no. It'll be another shitty sci-fi cop movie. Probably a buddy cop movie. <br /><br />Fuckers.
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I hope Judge Reinhold gets to play Judge Dread
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with todays 3D
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*runs to comic book store*
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Please guys get it right.
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May 11, 2010, 11 a.m. CST
I never thought about it, but if he is supposed to be English
by JackSlater4
It should be Statham. Stallone for Max von Sydow's character.
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i live and breath for a new,GOOD,FAITHFUL judge dredd movie.please dont fuck it.
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May 11, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST
Judge Dredd was better than all of your yankee superhero
by BadlyDubbedPorn
funny books, grudammit, you guys stick to your obligatory superhero stories, which seem to be the same shite regurgitated every week with different characters, I'll take the facist awesomeness of Dredd and 2000AD any day.<p>O and the original film was ok, hopefully this one will be great.
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but I agree with V'shael... Hollywood money will NEVER allow a faithful big-screen adaption of Judge Dredd. Prepare for some lame-ass under-cooked shit.
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some of the Future Shock stories in 2000AD.they have been republished as TPB.
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Come on - he's perfect!
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suck it american fanboys.
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Break the law and you'll wind up dead -- Truth and Justice what he's fighting for -- Not just a man, he is the LAAAAAAAAW! Drok it!
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With the ABC warriors and David Hyde Pierce or Brad Dourif as Sabbat.
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So they like pay Stallone, a major international star at the timer, $15 million bucks to be in the film, and people get mad that he took his helmet off. And fan-boys wonder why they don't make films directed at them. Dredd doesn't translate well to film. It's just one of those types of properties.
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Bollywood does though
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Fifteen years in the academy. He was like no cadet they'd ever seen. A man so hard, his veins bleed ice. And when he speaks he never says it twice. They call him Judge, his last name is Dredd. So break the law, and you wind up dead. Truth and justice are what he's fighting for. Judge Dredd the man, he is the law. DROKK IT!</p><p>With gun and bike he rules the streets. And every perp he meets will taste defeat. Not even Death can overcome his might. Cause Dredd and Anderson, they won the fight. When the Sov's started the Apocalypse war. Mega-City was bombed to the floor. Dredd resisted, and the judges fought back. Crushed the Sov's with their counter-attack. DROKK IT!</p><p>Respect the badge - he earned it with his blood. Fear the gun - your sentence may be death because...</p><p>Chorus - I AM THE LAW!</p><p>And you won't fuck around no more.</p><p>I AM THE LAW!</p><p>I judge the rich, I judge the poor.</p><p>I AM THE LAW!</p><p>Commit a crime I'll lock the door.</p><p>I AM THE LAW!</p><p>Because in Mega-City I AM THE LAW!</p><p>In the cursed earth where mutants dwell. There is no law, just a living hell. Anarchy and chaos as the blood runs red. But this would change if it was up to Dredd. The book of law is the bible to him. And any crime committed is a sin. He keeps the peace with his law-giver. Judge, jury, and executioner! DROKK IT!</p><p>CRIME! The ultimate sin. Your iso-cube is waiting when he brings you in.</p><p>LAW! It's what he stands for. Crime's his only enemy and he's going to war!
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Gibberish.
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I blame Assante who was as threatening as a toothpick. Anyway here's the way it works. Yes, Dredd is a fascist, but society is so out of control in Mega-City one that any other form of government would be insanity.
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-oh....im a carrot
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But decent scriptwriter. Drop the 3D though - nobody can do it right except Cameron.
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Dredd is a very difficult character to be translated in a film.BUT here is the thing: if a genius director can make someone who has the qualities of a hero but serves the wrong system a sympathetic lead character for the audiene,while at the same time the director criticizes and parodies the system that his protagonist serves,then the movie will be a MASTERPIECE.<br /><p>the director should take notes from the last 2000AD stories,where they are giving some glimpses of humanity to Dredd's character and some,under the surface, growing doubts about the system he serves.
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"DNA Films has made a deal with India-based Reliance Big Entertainment and IM Global to finance Judge Dredd"</p><p>That's not Hollywood folks, that's independant financing from India and Europe.</p><p>They still need to get American distribution though. Hopefully Lionsgate or some other risk takers will do it, assuming of course that this is the REAL FASCIST Judge Dredd, which is the only one I think anyone wants to see.
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That was a ridiculous statement. The 3D in My Bloody Valentine was on par with Avatar.
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That was some badass shit!
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When I first saw the article, I thought it was an announcement for a 3rd Dredd movie and I thought, "There was a second?" <p> There was however a Judge Dredd pinball machine that was fun to play and had comic-style art: http://ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1322
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Ok, so Dredd would be in the background a bit, but my God, what a showcase for Mega City One that would be!<p>Realistically though, the first movie ought to be a run through of future crimes. Organ-legging, robot-unrest, face-changes, fatties - with maybe a quick trip into the Cursed Earth to show off the Muties. No Judge Death. No rehash of 'evil clone' Rico from the (fucking dreadful) Stallone film. Then, once it's made a shitload of money, we'll have a full Cursed Earth / Judge Child story for the second film. With the Angel Gang. And Tweak. Oh yes!<p>Oh, and any excuse that the people behind this project can find to stuff Christina Hendricks into a Judge's uniform would be just fine with me!
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...but he's already done his action/cop/fascistic future/social satire movie.
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Riiigght.
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Problem 1...<p> ROBOCOP is Judge Dredd to all intents, and Delta City is Mega City One. Verhoeven's mega violent, satirical, fascist opus is EVERYTHING a Judge Dredd movie should be.<p> Problem 2...<p> Stallone's JUDGE DREDD will linger like a bad stench over this project and will make it a hard sell.<p> Problem 3...<p> The budget needs to be BIG to do any kind of justice to the source material. I guess they could do it on the cheap SIN CITY or SKY CAPTAIN stylee... but I won't believe this movie is being made until we get the trailer.
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when i was 13, i LOVED anthrax. had 3 walls covered in anthrax posters, 9 different anthrax shirts, backpatches, fan books, toy 'not man' faces, etc, etc...<br><br>i went back and listened to them not too long ago and realized, of course i loved them when i was 13, they made music and lyrics for 13 year old boys.
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May 11, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST
The original Playstation light gun was modeled after Judge Dredd
by ImMorganFreeman
That's all.
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so will the film be sweaty and confused while a 4 armed elephant dancies around
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Vantage Point was actually pretty good. No glaring flaws even though it wasn't outstanding.<p>28 Days Later is great even though I'm had hoped it would have ended differently.<p>The first two-thirds of Sunshine were amazing, but that really ended poorly.
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I hope they are wise enough when it comes to casting Dredd, and learn from ROBOCOP rather than JUDGE DREDD.<p> You don't need to blow your budget on a big name star (Peter Weller was hardly a household name), and you def don't need him to ever show his face. Dredd stands for justice - faceless, impersonal, unfeeling, and unflinching justice.
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wrong if he thinks he'll be a part of this.
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Adam Sandler to play Judge Dredd (making Schneider a shoe-in for the sidekick).<p> Sandler bulked up to play Scrappy Coco. He could do so again.
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from the 95 dredd movie is Diane Lane.<p> "The evidence has been falsified!" Love you Sly, but that trailer makes me embarrassed that I went to the theater and paid to see that.
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Please baby Jesus make it so
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May 11, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST
when the "super 8" trailer comes up on this site....
by theDannerDaliel
I will write "super 8 ? thats the title......okidoki" then i will eat pizza rolls
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....of Alex Garland. I cant wait to see what he does with this franchise and even more exciting is his 28 months later project. Come on, you know you want to see more infected...this time in Paris. Burn Paris Burn!!
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...but the kind of satirical and wry character that most of traditional hollywood just doesn't get. It's a tone thing. A Dredd movie needs a tone very similar to what Verhoeven achieved with the original Robocop, a mix of wry satire and social comment mixed with over the top violence, comedy, and grounded with strong themes and actual character based drama. It's a very thin tightrope to walk, and one that is rarely successful on film, especially hollywood film, but if they can get it right it has the potential to absolutely kick ass cinematically. <p>Thing is, will anybody have the balls to not only try to nail that Judge Dredd tone and satire, but to do so without toning down the central conciet of the character, in that you, as an audience, are basically cheering on and enjoying a fascist who is jackbooting his way through any and all opposition in the most violent way possible, as he enforces the law of a police state on a mostly unwilling populace? I kinda doubt it. Instead they'll more than likely just try to turn Dredd into a generic action hero again...<p>As for casting, I'd go for Ray Stevenson personally. And if by some miracle they do get it right, then I second the call for a Rogue Trooper movie next.
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Seeing as its backed by Bollywood? Last crossover flick: Kambakht Ishq, starring....Stallone
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Hiring Alex Garland to script is a good start, we'll see how things progress from there.
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May 11, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST
i can´t wait, here is the official trailer from youtube....
by theDannerDaliel
http://bit.ly/bqyhjL
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...and the Angel Gang / Hammerstein design work was fantastic; but the whole 'helmet off' bit ruined it. That and the fact Demolition Man / Robocop had already carved up the best ideas from the comic.
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right on bigus.man 2000AD has so many awesome comic character: Rogue Trooper,ABC Warriors,Dafoe,Dante,Robot Hunter,Strondium Dog (my favourite) which make the x-fags and the dark loser with bronchitis to pale in comparison.
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ricochet <p>BAM,PING,PING,PING,PONG,CABOOM !!!
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it was unbelievably bad
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Nah, Im just fuckin with ya. Be funny though! As much as I'd like this to be cool, I have a feeling that with the names attached its gonna stink. Now if Nolan did a dredd movie, it would be fuckin amazing.
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May 11, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST
The definitive 'Judge Dredd' movie has already been made...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
It was called 'Robocop'.
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I did not see Vantage Point.
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i hope the creators of this movie get some clues from Verhoeven's masterpiece.
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May 11, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST
RE: The definitive 'Judge Dredd' movie has already been made...
by IAmLegolas
Damn, beat me too it.<P>As one of the "5 fans" of Judge Dredd, the comic book, I'm hoping this is good. They need Judge Death and/or The Cursed Earth story arc, and for fucks sake keep the helmet on.
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He's made for the role. Plus the word was that Rebellion were planning several Dredd movies should the first make any profit whatsoever - Rebellion have a good grasp of what makes Dredd work so hopefully they'll keep the humour to a minimum and dark as night when it happens. I'm hoping that they set up the world of Dredd well in the first and head into the Dark Judge's Necropolis storyline for the second and third - one of the best bits of comic book writing in the last 30 years. Very hopeful for this movie, this could be awesome.
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rapid fire <p>BRAAAAP,BRAAAAP,BRAAAAP
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... when Armand Assante can get second billing that big and red.
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If this song is used in the move (like it should have been the first time), I will be in a seat opening night.
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Can't believe people don't love Judge Dredd, easily Rob's best work to date.
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I remember reading somewhere that Stallone would only do the movie if he only had to wear the helmet for like 20 percent of the movie. His (valid) argument was anyone could be under the helmet, if his name is on the marquee, his face should appear in the movie. When Stallone had the helmet on, it was like they lifted Dredd from the comic book. Once it was off, it didn't work. Get a decent, young star and have him keep the helmet on until the last 5 minutes. Make it a hard R and keep Rob Schneider or any wacky sidekick away and it might work.
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From the movie? Its like that awesome trailer music from that time. <P> Also this movie had a bad ass theme song from The Cure who I think have disowned it.
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I like how there are 2 giant mega-sky-scrapers full of dudes that just fire at the opposite buidlings. <p> It's cool in the movie too, you see all these bullets and rockets being exchanges between 2 buildings and it's just a hilarious way to fight. <p> And Dred was and still is a classic movie.
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Prior to leaving the project, Goldsmith composed and recorded a short piece of music that would eventually be used for the film's trailers and advertising campaigns. Thats why its so bad ass.
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...I never thought he was big enough to be Dredd. Isn't he like 5'5" or some shit like that? I saw him an airport one time, and I almost laughed at how small he was in real life.
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Looked great, costumes were great, story and actors were shit. Shame because in the right hands with the art direction the movie could have been done very well for the time. Crossing my fingers this one will be better.
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that Stallone had said that he didnt have a problem to wear the helmet the whole time,but it was the director who insisted to take it off in order to make his character look more human and sympathetic for the audience.well nobody will ever know for real..
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the intro of the film with that music until Dredd gets off his bike was pure epic.
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...just sayin. No wacky sidekick, and maybe some edge this time.
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Judge Dredd is maybe the best comic character ever (in my humble opinion)but he is a fascist an agent of tyranical government, the stallone movie ignored that inconvinent point, will a new film trully embrace judge dredds world, i dont believe it will, no one will want to finace a movie that has basically a nazi as it main character, so then it will just be a another faliure, if you dont have the balls to do 30 yrs of greatness justice dont bother, id rather it never gets made..oh PS RON PEARLMAN as dreddd, and dont take the helmet of
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...either way, once the helmet was off, it lost it's 'Dredd' appeal.
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Please.
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I enjoyed it.
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They so nearly got it right the first time around. Much of Dredd's character and world was spot on (block wars, hi-exing a car for a parking offence, 'Recycled Food- good for the environment and OK for you!') Stallone, helmeted was an excellent Dredd, and his reaction to the frame-up was exactly what I'd expect. But then the Wisdom of Hollywood came along, the helmet came off, there was the 'romance' with Hershey and it all went to Resyk. Maybe Stallone would have the confidence to do the whole thing lidded this time, other than that I like Perlman, or even well-known comic nut Vin Diesel. But glue that helmet on. Glue it! And yes, a character who's been going constantly for 30 years- with no 'reboots'- and been written by practically every famous name in comics today has rather more than 5 fans, TYVFM.
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Sure, the character's a British creation, but Dredd's an American. You want a Brit-cit judge, pray it goes down well and we get an Armitage movie, though they might need to resurrect John Thaw to play him.
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Derf! Because derf der derf da derfity derf. And he's about to find out that derf derfderf da derf da derf!
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That piece was written for the Judge Dredd trailer, then used in tons of trailers ever since. It has the effect of making almost anything seem at least somewhat awesome (Lost in Space's trailer, for example).
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although if i am not mistaken the American was risen and educated in UK.
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grenade <p>BAM.KABOOOOOOOOM
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In one of the early editions of 2000ad (late 70s / early 80s) they did a survey of which Hollywood actor should play Dredd. Clint Eastwood came out top, I seem to recall. And I think James Coburn was suggested as the Stainless Steel Rat. Or was it Strontium Dog.
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And she'll be played by Neice Nash. "I am the law, Honey"
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Oh, and somebody PLEASE make a film of Nemesis the Warlock. That'd be nice.
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That guy is pretty much solid in my book. I've loved every movie he's written, especially Sunshine (yeah, i know i lot of people didn't like the third act - i'm the exception).
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I reckon that survey was around '83. Carlos Ezquerra artwork, man I used to love 2000ad. They should make a Strontium Dog film, and Harry 20 on the high rock.
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<p>Sly was the one that insisted that he ran around without the helmet on, and also wanted the romance with Hershey incorporated into the movie. All this after saying he was "Dredd's biggest fan and had read most of the comics,".<p> <p>Hell, I think Danny Cannon - the Director of the movie - said it best when he stated: "I would rather stick my testicles into a vat of boiling oil than work with Stallone again."<p> <p>Moral of the story? Stallone's a douche.<p>
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Johnny Alpha needs to be brought to the big screen. Pronto!
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And if there is, which there won't be, it will suck.
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Why not reboot live action R rated T.M.N.T. movie?
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1. Script 2. Schneider
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was fucking awful. I read judge dredd from 1979 to 1986 and some of the stories the could have told. and as someone already said "KEEP HIS HELMET ON" back in the 90's Brian thompson (bad guy from cobra) would have been perfect, fairly unknown so doesn't need to be seen sans helmet, physically he fits. Make the first film about mega city one and then the sequels about cursed and then judge death.....i could go on. Anyway the stallone film was a mish mash of Judge dredd crap that didn't fit together and rob schneider as comic relief....why?
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but could have been AMAZING. <p> I got tired of Rob Schiender after 10 minutes. <P> The helmet off.....fail. <P> Just not violent enough. <P> The "now who says politics is boring" line from the trailer was code in my high school days for smoking weed. The smoke rising into frame always makes me laugh.
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Because that would suck ass.
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The technology is there now to put the 'Mek-nificent Seven' on the silver screen!
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We want this uncut!
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Making a movie of that story could be the business, a famous actor who doesn't need to be unmasked to be cool, like Vin Diesel could be the way to go, Psi-Judge Anderson could be someone like Scarlett Johansson, and some damn cool sfx to represent the 4 dark Judges, hmmm, nice!
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Someone like Downey Jr could pull off the role, although I'm getting a little tired of his style after IM2.
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Get a British actor (complete with British accent) to play Dredd, go more Blade Runner than Batman, have Judge Death as the villain, and for the love of God, do not let Nic Cage, Ryan Reynolds, Sam L. Jackson, Eva Mendez, or Scarlett Johansen anywhere near this picture.
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My left hand has more talent, and I'm a righty.
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He's an excellent writer and more importantly a fan of 2000AD's Classic Dredd serials (Day the Law Died, Cursed Earth, Judge Child, Dark Judges etc). There's more autonomy for the filmakers this outing and the core facets of the character won't be compromised by studio interference.
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Needs more Sly!!!
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<p>Dredd is American. Mega-City One occupies the East Coast of the future USA.<p>
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May 11, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST
Makes me wonder what Cannon's original script was like
by RETURN_of_FETT
Because clearly it was molded by the studio to make money. It probably went through endless iterations because Schwarzenegger was attached for years before Sly got it.</p><p>I agree that Schneider, making Dredd a hero and taking off the helmet were the downfall. I also understand why they did it. It may well have done much worse if it was a straight, dark, hardcore fascist Dredd film. At least it would have been an original vision, so it may have done better.</p><p>Although Schneider has sucked every moment he has drawn breath, the Dredd comics are loaded with humor. Again, Verhoeven delivered in spades on that score.</p><p>Man oh man, if they could get Verhoeven to direct...
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all the comics are in compendium form. What they do to the movie remains to be seen
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To be honest i remember enjoying it at the time and i still dnt think its as big a bag of shite of some other movies of its type ...
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on this board? You know that the vast vast majority of talkbackers will respond with some variation of "it was shit", regardless of the movie. Dark Knight? Aww it was shit don't waste your time.
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You know it to be true. And whoever mentioned Chopper and Supersurf 7. Good call there, i wouldn't base the film around 'The Midnight Surfer' but if it was say, a 20minute sequence (pod race length) in the middle of the film that would be pretty damn awesome.
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... if he had not removed the fucking helmed.
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It's unbecoming of a lady
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Still makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck.
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Perfect! And keep the helmet on.
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... would be a NEMESIS THE WARLOCK movie. That would be cool, but only in the right hands. The whole Nemesis first book would make for one hell of a movie plot.
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The helmet stays on, but the intimidating voice and the physical presence has to be there, Joe Dredd should sound like a cross between James Earl Jones and Lee Emery!
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Or he better fucking be...Not adverse to prosthetics, never mind wearing a fucking helmet. He looks and sounds perfect for the part!PERLMAN 4 DREDD or bust!
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incarnation. The RoboCop comparisons are on the money too, that's exactly the kind of film it needs to be. Jason Statham tho? Nah. Can't see Dredd with a mockney accent. Clancy Brown would work, tho he's gettin' old.
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Or evolves from it.Why the fuck would Dredd speak in an English accent?
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When the current producers optioned the DRedd movie rights from Rebellion they planned to make 2 back to back Dredd movies with a total combined budget of - wait for it - 15 million quid. That's 7.5 million per movie. You could barely make an indie movie with that, let alone an effects laden blockbuster!
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i guess they havent got a massive budget so he would be a cheap option , and for some reason i can just see him playing the part
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10 minutes into Star Wars.</p><p>HELMET FUCKING ON!
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... Dredd without helmet = fail.
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just want to mention that.<btw><btw> Those people who reckon the comic isn't all that great probably read one issue of 'lawman of the future' or some of the shitty DC ones. Fuck off and come back when you've read the real comics.<br><br> I hope these guys at least attempt a true version of Dredd not some watered down PG abomination.
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He should be banned from movies permanently.
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if you watch films like punisher warzone you should be prepared to be dissapointed
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Ron Perlman. End of.
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surely it's time to deliver....make this happen, I wanna twitch in anticipation whilst waiting for it...
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Seriously, look at his mouth, his jaw, he'd bring it! And since Dredd never took off his helmet, who can say it's even a change of race? Ha, whatever, I'll be on board either way, the movie has many ways to fall apart however. I think the studiopuppet directors now are as bad if not worse than the ones in the 90s when this was made. The bad screenwriters were the worst back then though. Akiva Goldsman getting an Oscar at all is proof of the weak sauce of the time.
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now that would be an AMAZING movie!
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I have a soft spot for Stallone's Dredd. I would be interested in seeing a new version though.
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He and another 100mil would be epic awesome
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He does too much co writing these days.
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Almost had a heart attack watching it.
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check this sweet shit out!<P> http://tinyurl.com/ybfaez6
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...but Dredd is one of those properties that doesn't well to film. Some things just don't, and they shouldn't be movies.
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Oy! I need more coffee.
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so that my issues #1-#5 of the original Eagle Comics Series will actually become worth something
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remove his helmet in 3D!<p>NO I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT HIS PENIS!
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Every time I see it I enjoy myself. I dunno. Guilty pleasure I suppose. But I can definitely believe that a better movie is in the material.
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vantage point was really, really, really bad. A terribly long 24 episode.
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The movie needs a director like Paul Verhoeven in Robocop/Starship Troopers phase, who knows how to do satire and a piss-take on society and govt (not just because Dredd inspired Robocop). A new director of an average Sunday afternoon movie doesn't fill me with confidence that the studio will make the right decisions.
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I got 100% accuracy on the Hall of Justice stage. What now, motherfuckers? Just kidding, I love you ass-clowns.
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The Sly Stone version was a decent sci-fi flick for the time. This was before CGI and all the effects were practical - the big robot was good and I thought they nailed the Angel family. I just don't think people "got it". Watch it again - it's not that bad. Honest!
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Dredd is the best, we need mo'. Should be cool seeing Dredd on the big screen again, and hey I do enjoy the old movie, even though its got some flaws. As for the Dredd character, whenever somebody says "He's the bad guy", they're massively oversimplifying things. He is the hero, when some goddamn menace is fucking with Mega City, or the world. Then sometimes we see a sympathetic story of some sap who Dredd sends to prison for life, and their mother too. Just doing his job.
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it never gets old. but then, i never read the comics, so i didn't have unrealistic expectations to be dashed. "the innocent only exist until they inevitably become perpetrators. guilt or innocence is a matter of timing."
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The Jar Jar Binks of Judge Dredd.
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Sure, Rob Schneider was annoying. And Armand Assante wasn't as badass as he should've been. But the rest was pretty good. Ahead of its time too, IMO.
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the last one sucked apparently but I enjoyed it anyways.
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even if it was pro-war on terror propaganda. hey wait a minute white men are the actual terrorists? no wai www.infowars.com
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(The bladerunner ripoff) was the only good part of Stallones POS movie.
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you do understand that the comic was created in the 70s...
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Yes, I was around when it was. Bladerunners building/set design was copped by the movie. The similarities are way too close to ignore.
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Why not just save everyone the time of an inevitable massive failure?
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had the same purpose to achieve: to illustrate a massive,overpopulated and over-polluted city occupying a very constrained space. <p>it was inevitable that both cities would look artistically the same and ofc the artists of the Dredd movie were influenced by the designs of the Blade Runner city ( the designers of the Earth City in Avatar are not shy to acknowledge that their city was influenced by Blade Runner) but to say that it is a plain ripoff its ignorant and naive.
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Quit being a fucktard. Are you that stupid? Plain fact: they stole the fucking design, it was not original to them. So shove it up your ass, moron.
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May 12, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST
ya they borrowed the Blade Runner art direction a bit
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
but it's not like a science fiction futuristic city with a corrupt elite class perched atop a massive slave hovel underneath is a unique concept.
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prove it
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...in 3D no less?...HAHAHAHAHAHA! <sigh>...incredibly lame.
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..Robocop IS essentially Judge Dredd. But let me just add that Mega City one should be even more of a "character" in a Judge Dredd movie than New Detroit was in Robo Cop. <p> A Judge Dredd movie should be structured like "a day in the life" type of adventure, so the audience can truly see just how batshit insane society has become. The narrative should slowly weave a tale where seemingly unrelated incidents start to coalesce into a singular plot. <p> Hell people, Sugar and beef are freaking illegal drugs. People can go to the iso cubes for walking against the crowd. Oh, and a true "block war" needs to be put on film. That skirmish between a couple of heads firing between two buildngs in the first movie was not a block war. <p> 50 mil...feh.
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It's bugged me for years, never found out what it is.
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i always envisioned to make the movie exactly like that if i had the chance.well said sir.
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but never used in the movie,since the score of the film was eventually made by Silvestri. <p>I dont know if you can find it in some official cd album release,but you can find the mp3 of the music in the usual places.i think i have it somewhere. <p>btw here in Greece all the tv stations are using this same music all the time,when they are broadcasting the news and want to give them a vibe of terror. <p>especially now with the economic crisis in Greece,i am fed up listening every day the theme when they are covering the news about the economy.jesus.
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The Batman crossover, JUDGMENT ON GOTHAM, an entertaining way to find out why the Stallone abomination wasn't even in the ballpark of the original comic:<p> http://tinyurl.com/26wrvwe
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Thanks Ominus, any idea what the piece is called?
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or a Fatty
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heartily agree...it should be a 'day in the life' which culminates in the dark judges appearing..fuck back-storying everything
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"Judge Dredd: Original Trailer Music" (1995) - Jerry Goldsmith <p>thats what soundtrack.net says.look for it in emule or dc hubs.
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It's a fun, if rather cheesy, action flick. It isn't, however, Judge Dredd the comic. At All. Despite some really great production design that tries to convince you otherwise. Oddly enough I actually think Stallone would work and look better in the role now than he did then, you'd just need to nail gun the helmet to his head so that he couldn't even remove it in his sleep. Mind you, I'd still prefer Ray Stevenson. But keep Dominic West the fuck away, damn fool has lost his fucking mind (and talent) since The Wire ended, with one hammy performance after another.
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Ron Perlman as Dredd. Three-film arc - kick off with the Block Mania/Apocalypse War storyline (subbing in a Putin-esque Sov leader instead of the 80s-era Russkies). Crucially, *Dredd nukes the Sovs at the end*, to emphasise that he's a Dirty-Harry-esque type, not a conventional good guy. This death on a massive scale is what brings Judge Death (Doug Jones) and his fellow Dark Judges to Earth. Judge Anderson is, ooh, let's say January Jones, she'd be good. Third film is the Judge Child Quest.
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Because he's already played one lead role under a prosthetic, and Hellboy made money. This will mean the suits won't be afraid to stick him under the helmet for the whole film.
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And the story wants to be The Day the Law Died with Jude Law as Judge Cal. <P>Do not debate me on this.
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the voice unfortunately.they can dub him ofc. <p>and there is also a decision to be made: do you want Dredd to be realistic like IM/TDK or do you want to be more fantasy like XMEN/SM? with super-powers etc? <p>because if you go for realism and bring Death in it,you will ruin the verisimilitude of the film and you will change its tone and atmosphere entirely.and its contemporary message wont be that clear and will get ignored. <p>if you go for fantasy and Death then you have to follow a different vision for your film,you have to make it more comicbook-ish,more pulpy,more formulaic. <p>if you have noticed we havent seen super-natural stories with Dredd for the last couple of years,because simply the taste and interests of the young generations have changed.its not the 70s and the 80s anymore,Dredd stories are more serious,more mature,more well thought. <p>i dont have any problem with any of the routes the movie wants to follow,but the creators of the film need to sit down and think really hard what they want their movie version to be before starting filming.
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...will never be done right in our lifetimes. It's a miracle that Sin City got the treatment it deserved, but if I were a betting man I'd hold my cards for these two.
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You've really got to go back to that freewheeling, anarchic spirit of 80s 2000AD. If it's grim n' gritty, it simply becomes another grey-palette science fiction actioner.
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...just so Dredd can blast his annoying-cunt face across the nearest wall.
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The movie JUDGE DREDD was inspired by BLADE RUNNER. Director Danny Cannon said so himself. The comic, however, precedes BLADE RUNNER. In fact, it was one of the inspirations for that movie.
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...has the required jawline - nuff said.
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They need Stallone back, to make up for the travesty of past days.
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Demolition Man was better Dredd than Dredd, although Dredd is a guilty pleasure. Death would make ot a supernatural film, rather than a futuristic fascist-state actioner. Clint is too old, Pearlman is perfect. Make new Dredd similair to Robocop, which was inspired by the Dredd comic, and you're laughing.
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...if they can't get Pearlman. Seriously.
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... is that somebody in power, a studio executive or whatnot, didn't understood the appeal and humour of the Judge Dredd comics. They were troubled that Dredd was so fascist and decided to "humanize" him. and the vast majority of the movie's problems steem from that. The removal of the helmet, the romantic sub-plot, his increasingly lax attitude, and the decision to cast a comedic side-kick foil in the form of obnoxious comedian Rob Schneider to lighten up Dredd. It's quite obvious that the pwople in power never understood the appeal of Judge Dredd. The fac the's such a fascist is part of the fun of the comic, and most of the comic's humour cames from that, from his unbending and uncompromise attitude toward crime, who can aply heavy prison sentenses just for jaywalking. Dredd's appeal is because he's so extreme. And the powers-that-be responsible for the movie watered down the character.<br><br>I like the movie. Visually it's very good. Great mood. The sets are fantastic. The score by Alan Silvestri is pretty good, specially the track about the cannibal family. The cast was all good, and i particulary liked Max Von Sydow as the elder judge (can't get enough of that guy), and Stallone was a great choice for Dredd. The movie was very well directed. The trouble was the second-guessing and cowardly attitudes from the power-that-be that resulted in watering down the character and to decide that it was good idea to give him a fucking comedy relief side-kick. And then cast that shitty "comedian". Movies like Judge Dredd help give the idea that the worst enemies of a movie are the very studio executives responsible for it.
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End of.
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While I could see Staham as Dredd iwould much prefer Ron Perlman. He's got the jaw, the build and a voice that would fit. On the other hand there is Josh Brolin. Judge Dredd, the comic, may be British in origin but Mega City One and Dredd himself is all American. Statham can't hold a proper American accent. Just look at The One for christ's sake. Anyway, I would have preferred The Dead Man storyline first. No origin. The Dead Man storyline would be a great intro with flashbacks leading to Dredd regaining his memory after suffering from an attack from the Sisters of Death. This is also subsequent to Dredd taking the Long Walk. A second film could then lead straight into Necropolis with the Four Horsemen.
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Incidentally, Robocop was originally inspired by Blade Runner with a slight bit of Iron Man. Apparently there is an Iron Man comic featured prominently in a store window in one scene from Robocop. Judge Dredd was based in a Dirty Harry-style but the look was originally mostly influenced by Frankenstein from Death Race 2000 according to John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1820832.stm By the way the distinct difference between Dredd and Robocop is that Judge Dredd is the Law, Robocop is a slave to the Law.
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Lost Jarv, yes Jude Law as Judge Caligula would be great, or perhaps the guy who played Ozymandias in WATCHMEN if Law proves too expensive (from the sounds of it this movie isn't going to have a blockbuster budget).<p>
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In the same year we had Waterworld, Batman Forever, Goldeneye, Apollo 13 and Toy Story. A helluva great year for popcorn movies - one of the best I can recall anyway. But in the middle of this was Judge Dredd. Director Danny Canon (who went on to direct lots of CSI episodes) was new to this sort of thing but he had what seemed like the ideal star and some great sets...but where was the script? Where was Judge Death? Where was the humour, the excitment, the action. What did we get instead: Rob f**king Schneider. The film was a wasted opportunity and died a quick death at the box office. I thought that maybe over time it might gain a "cult" following, but this film has largely been forgotten and it's little wonder. Still, we did get a 2000AD type blockbuster 2 years later with Fifth Element that got the humour and action that Dredd promised but never delivered. Perhaps a new movie will redress all the mistakes the 1995 version made, but whatever they do: JUST KEEP ON THE BLOODY HELMET!!!!!
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I also agree with the tb'ers who say a 'day in the life' story would be best rather than trying to do too much.<p> Open the film with Dredd waking up in his little pod in the Hall of Justice, the clock on the wall says 5am...<p> Close the film with Dredd quipping to another judge "It's been a quiet day" (after the audience has been take on the ride of their lives)as he gets back into his sleep pod at 4.30am.
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Josh brolin would be perfect.
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And Perlman doesn't have the authorative voice that Dredd needs. Fucker needs to be able to freeze you in your tracks just with his voice, Perlman can't bring that quality, much as I'm a fan of the guy.
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Trailers certainly have evolved since 1995.......that looked dreadful ....pardon the pun.
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<p>The studio meddling was all down to Stallone. He was the one who insisted on all the weaknesses you have listed.<p> <p>The studio gave in to all of his demands because they thought they were going to make a shitload of money. They were wrong.<p>
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I remember him saying it would've been easier with the helmet on so he wouldn't have needed to wear contact lenses, but maybe he was shifting blame.
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Visually, it was damn near spot on. Even the Angel Gang came across well with a thrown in "Lemme kill 'em pa". Orcus was a fan of JD since the mid 80's when the comic came over in the US through Eagle Comics. Later in the 90's DC bought the rights to us and fucked it up ROYALLY. Good lord it was a painful read. But thankfully it's available as a compendium. All Orcus can say is that Brian Bolland is da shiznit as the kids say.
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...the best way to do Dredd is to emphasise that he's not a conventional action hero, he's a fascist cop in a weird, anarchic future state. Best way to really ram that home? Do the Block Mania/Apocalypse War storyline in the first film, and end it with the hero *nuking Russia*. And that massive genocide is what brings Judge Death to Earth; actions have consequences, after all.
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May 12, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST
Stallone wanted to make it as much like the comics as possible
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He kept insisting it was damn near identical. It was Cannon who made the uniforms navy blue instead of black. His reasoning was that it felt more like police. Not a big deal, but still. They were going o alter the uniform more but Sly wouldn't stand for it. He said "Make it like the comics. People like the comics."</p><p>I think if it were up to Sly he would have kept the helmet on but he understood that if people were paying for Sylvester Stallone, they expected to see his face. Realistically, I'm sure most people would have been pissed if he kept the helmet on the whole time. But fuck them, that's the character.</p><p>It wouldn't have been a problem if an unknown was doing it though, so I hope that's what they do this time.
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Yes, he is by far the best Dredd Villain, far better than Rico. But you can't have a big futuristic science fiction movie and then immediately introduce a gigantic supernatural element. People get confused. You had to save Judge Death for Part II which never happened.
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For Death to be effective, you've got to have the Psi-corp and all sorts of other shit. <P>Look, honestly, the best one to do is The Day the Law Died- it's accessible, establishes the world, and is a self contained story without ramifications (just change the aliens into foreign mercs) that also features a lot of the main Dredd themes. If successful, you can then expand it to Cursed Earth- but I'd much rather that was a miniseries- or one of the other ones. Judge Death is alomst a trilogy by himself, and it's too out there. If you can get the Judge child established, and the Psi-Corps that way, then you can do City of Lost Souls (although I'm not a huge fan of that one) and introduce Death and the Dark Judges that way. Finish with necropolis.<P>Asimovfucksgoats- you are never again allowed to pontificate about the quality of a film. The Stallone Dredd was an atrocious shitburger with a side of shit and a shitshake. It was a diabolical anthology of Dredd ideas without beign remotely Dredd.
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it's clear that YOU don't understand Dredd. Mind you, can't say that's a shock.
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May 12, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST
They should get the writers of the XBox Dredd video game
by Asimov_Lives
That game had the tone down to pitch perfection. Just without all the crazy vampires and monsters.
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Very good choice, whoever come up with it first.
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because he is an A list actor and once again the Producers would not be willing to pay for him to keep the helmet on the entire movie. Helmet on, I would go with Jason Statham.
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Totally agree with keeping Judge Death, Psi Corps and possible even Cursed Earth out of this movie, but you are assuming that their will be a sequel in the future. If this is the only movie we get I want to see Judge Death and Cursed Earth. Would love a tv series which should be feasible once the costumes and sets are created.
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Dannyn Cannon said in an interview back then that they avoided putting judge Death as the villain in the first movie because they din't wanted to use up the best villain right for the first movie. The comparison they offered was what happened with Batman movies of the time, when they used up The Joker for the first movie (which they evne killed), and then the sequels suffered with lesser villains which hurted the movies. That was their reason to save Judge Death for the second Judge Dredd movie. Thus the reason they went with Rico for the first movie, also as an oportunity to create character background for Judge Dredd.<br><br>Back then the producers of JUDGE DREDD were very confident that they had a winner on their hands and it was the start of a lucrative franchise.
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I understand your reasoning, and you are probably very right in the reasoning the producers would have. Still, if those producers had any balls, integrity and a sizable purse, and decided to keep the character as he looks in the comic, and still go with a recognizable star who's also a good actor, Josh Brolin would be a pretty good choice, i believe.
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... and kill yourself? You are long overdue.
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If one says it's a bad adaptation of a comic, that's another matter. And yes, it's not a very good adaptation. There's elements which are great, but overall it's a disapointment, to say the least.<br><br>But as a movie by itself, it's a very well made movie done with great style, with great sets, very god special effects, and a very moody and good looking cinematography. And the score is pretty good too. And the direction is stylish and very competent. Director Danny Canon already had shown he was an interesting director to watch with his first movie, YOUNG AMERICANS. What happened to him? Was JUDGE DREDD such a big trouble for him he gave up making cinema movies althogether? Too bad, he had it in him.
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He definitely proved he can act with just his mouth expressions in W.
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but I'll never know, because even though I saw it when it originally came out I had so much bias against it: first with the casting of Stallone, and then with the choice to have him take his helmet off and giving him a comic sidekick and many of the other things many have listed that make it a horrible adaptation. So even if it were a good movie, which I don't think it is, I would not know.
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is that they did use parts of it in the 1995 film. It's also an easy entry point because Dredd is the unambiguous hero of it.
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The sound of the raped goat. <P>Listen, goatfucker, 1995 Dredd was both a shit film and a shit Dredd film. The Young Americans was a meh film. <P>What you know about 2000AD and Dredd is, as with everything you pontificate about, fucking laughable. <P>Take your pretentions and jam them up your arse. <P>Have fun beating off at the bestiality in Splice- that's a fucking shit film, but I bet you'll like it.
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chorizo swilling self out of Judge Dredd. It's very dear to my heart and your shit will give me a fucking stroke.
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the series' Venom, but if done right he could work and be awesome. Besides the demise of the Psi-Corps Judge who is possessed by him to contain him is tragic and good storytelling.
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The way to do Judge Death is actually waaaaaay in the future. He requires a huge amount of set up. You need Cursed Earth to introduce the Angel Gang and Fink, The Judge Child storyline for the Psi-corp (particularly city of the damned) and Anderson. Once you've opened the door to other worlds/ dimensions then you can bring death in. Death requires at least 3 films. 1 and 2 for Death and the Dark Judges and then 3 for fucking Necropolis (which is what we all really want to see). <P>Judge Death requires a mini-series rather than a film. Not to mention that he's a bit one note.
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...You can't show a character emoting if you can't see ALL their face - or, to be more precise, their eyes. And if anyone here thinks a movie with a fascist badass showing no emotion whatsoever for two hours will work - it fucking won't.<P> To see Dredd onscreen, there must be compromises. Removing the helmet was the least of the original movie's problems - I'd say there were bigger ones: Assante was completely unscary; Lawmasters DO NOT FUCKING FLY; Dredd should NOT emote as much as Stallone's did - show doubt, uncertainty, rage, sure, but having Hershey kiss him? Having him going all soft over the Chief Judge's death? Unacceptable!; and it WASN'T TOUGH ENOUGH. At the end, comic Dredd would have STILL thrown Rob Schieder's ass in the cubes. He would NOT have let Hershey kiss him. And he wouldNOT have the shitty catch-phrase "I knew you were gonna say that" - Dredd has one catchphrase, and Stallone did it PERFECTLY during the Block Wars sequence.<P> Too much funny, not enpugh satire, and WAY too much family friendly stuff in Stallone's DREDD - like many have said, this needs to be ROBOCOP. Get Paul Verhoeven to direct, Ed Neumeier to write the thing, and you're good to go.<P> I wouldn't be opposed to having Stallone back, but I DO like the idea of Clive Owen - got the right jaw. Or Bruce Campbell maybe... ;p
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There are ALWAYS these comic relief type perps in the DREDD universe - crims too dumb to know how laughably stupid they are. Look at the Otto Sump stories, or the Fattie storylines - people do stupid shit to kill time in the Big Meg, and Fergie was just exactly like those guys: a loser with a tiny modicum of talent (in Fergie's case, messing with robots and tech stuff) who thinks he's more hot shit than he actually is.<P> There were way too many attempts at humour, and fuck that stupid catchphrase, but Schneider was far from the worst thing in the movie. Would have been nice if they'd actually READ the comics, and attempted to at least TRY to keep to the established backstory timeline, for starters - an ABC Warrior in Dredd's universe??<P> Cannon's DREDD wasn't a complete dud, though. They got a lot more right than wrong...
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except about the helmet. Have all the other actors around Dredd emote all they want in reaction to Dredd's fascism. See there emotes reflected in hi helmet. Dredd is unflinching. He is the reed that won't bend.
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Yes, there were loser perps that Dredd encountered, but he never had a sidekick.
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...Unless they get straight in with establishing Psi Division at the outset, it's difficult to bring in the supernatural elements in what is basically an SF movie, unless you spend more time than you ought to establishing other dimensions and the fact that the Judges are aware of them, etc etc. I WOULD love to see a Judge Anderson spin-off movie (my fanboy dream would be SATAN, complete with that awesome imagery of Hell Arthur Ransome drew so fucking beautifully) and a Dredd trilogy that ended in NECROPOLIS would fucking rock.<P> Though if you were going without the Dark Judges - gotta be either the Democracy story that ends with TALE OF THE DEAD MAN, or the big one - THE APOCALYPSE WAR!!<P> It's just nice to hear they're actually getting it made, though, after all these years of wild conjecture and rumour...
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There's the likes of Max Normal etc, and Sneider wasn't actually that bad. <P>It's a terrible film, nonetheless.
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...Ptherwise you're just watching a guy with no arc, no Act I to Act II to Act III developments, a guy who basically doesn't NEED to interact with anyone else because he either tells them what to do or ignores them. This is why the Democracy/Dead Man story would work - because the kid's letter gets to Dredd to the point where he actually begins to doubt his place and the concept of Law as it stands in Mega City One. Even ROBOCOP emoted - and so did Dirty Harry.<P> You can't have a totally inflexible protagonist. Would NEVER work. Can anyone give me examples of when it HAS worked in the past??
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I would go with The Day The Law Died, then Cursed Earth (minus Tweak- he sucked, deal with it), then finish up with either Apocalypse OR Block War. <P>Either way, could be cool. <P>Begging for a proper series.
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Anyway, there are almost endless permutations with Dredd. I want to see JUDGE FISH!!! <P>For the fucking win- cast Jude Law as Cal.
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I dunno.
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I shall be returning to moonwolves shortly. <P>You should come, my tuberous friend, it's where the Changians who abandoned this dump go now. You can fuck off goat molester.
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...Having Dredd be fitted up and framed. NOTHING would make Dredd doubt the system of Law - unless someone corrupt used it against him, which they did. That aspect definitely worked for me - and having the Fink Angel gang bump into him when the Titan shuttle went down - awesome stuff. They were one of the best things in that movie - LOVED Mean Machine! Set design was great, production design was great, and the whole Block Wars sequence was pure comic Dredd, right down to Dredd chewing the rookie out for not knowing he was out of lethal range of the weapons. Granted, from where the helmet came off the movie went a bit askew - but many gave WATCHMEN a pass where they gave DREDD a fail - yet the structural problems in WATCHMEN after they fucking neutered that ending were far worse. WHY exactly was the Comedian crying in Moloch's room again, if the squid wasn't in the plot any more??<P> And don't even get me started on LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN and FROM HELL. As decent comic adaps go, DREDD got more right than wrong.
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If I knew WTF a moonwolves is/are!! Is this an area in the AICN forum, or another site entirely??<P> Missed you in the WHO forums - but with the meh quotient being quite high this series, I understand completely not bothering. I'm completely lost at the lack of character development, and fuck knows why Moffat can write a decent ep here and there, but has zero grip on running the series. That, or Beeb interference on the day-to-day running of the show is far worse than I'd ever anticipated. Still, light years ahead of the PC-fest that was RTD's tenure...
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Spud, Clint Eastwood's 'Man with no name' would be the template as far as Dredd emoting goes. In other words a little goes a long way.<p> Perhaps 300 might be a good parallel too. The way it tells the story in the first 10 minutes of how Spartans are 'made', from child to man. You'd prob need something akin to that to show how Judges are 'made'. After the audience has seen what the Judge Cadets go through then they will pick up and understand the significance of even the tiniest emotes from Dredd.<p>
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had also fought in the Apocalypse War?
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I like the cut of your jib. That's EXACTLY the way to go. You should write this movie...
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It's been YEARS since I read the Apocalypse War - I need to get into my Judge Dredd Case Files to check if you're right. I don't remember seeing them, and seem to remember them being in a different universe to Dredd & Co - but who knows? I gotta put some time in with my comic collection...
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That's the AICN retirement you need to do, SUICIDE. Fucking do it already, waster of oxygen. End your miserable existence already, it's long overdue, you piece of rat shit.
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Not too bad an idea. But can he do a believable american accent?
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All it matter is if the character is interesting. Far more important then displays of emotionalisms. And a good actor can play subtle and still make the characters emotions come across very well even if allhe has is his mouth and part of his checkbones.<br><br>But here's the trick_the the emotions of Juddge Dredd be presented alliptically, through the circunstances he's one, through what he says, throughhis tone of voice, through the music score. There's tones of alternatives to "take the helmet off" thing.<br><br>You guys remember that editing experiement that Sergei Eisenstein did, here he edited the shots of an emotionless actor intercut with different scenes, show showing happy circunstance,s other unhappy, etc? What he noticed from the audience's responses was that people intepreted the actor's facial expression depending on the context with the images that were intercut, they saw the actor has happy if the scene had happy iamges, unhappy if uit had unhappy images, etc. This means one could also pull emotions from Judge Dredd with a bit of clever filmmaking and editing.
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thats why its up to the director and the writer to do their best in order to make the audience understand why the helmet must be always ON. <p>dredd without the helmet is like superman without the flying ability.its what defines him,its what makes him believable when he says that he is the LAW: <p> the law is faceless,and Dredd wearing the helmet all the time and not revealing his face,helps his transition from an individual with a gun to something more,to the physical representation of an institution: THE LAW,Dredd is the Law. <p>if the director is unable to deliver this fact to the audience,then he shouldnt make the film at all.let Dredd to exist only in comics.
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...It's inconceivable, even in the world of Mega City One, that Dredd would NEVER take the helmet off. He'd get the equivalent of trenchfoot on his face from all the sweat never getting out of the helmet! And how does he shave? Or Q-tip his earwax out? People get bedsores from lying in a bed after merely a few weeks - how can a guy live in his helmet all his life??<P> The helmet thing is fucking stupid. Sop long as he's a stone-cold badass, why CAN'T Dredd take off the helmet?? And yes, I did read the story where he's bathing and two perps break into his apartment - and he STILL HAS THE HELMET ON! I think the writers were taking the piss a bit at that point...
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CRINGE!</p><p>OH FUCK, I forgot about that! Oh GOD I fucking hated that!
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That was actually a mistake. The director didn't see/realize it was an ABC warrior until it was too late to change it, so they actually had to buy the rights to it because that one special effects guy decided "it would be cool" to design the robot like an ABC warrior.
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(1) Gordon Rennie's GLIMMER RATS. Greatest future war/horror comic I have EVER read. Should be someone like Zack Snyder or Alexandre Aja. And it MUST be R-rated!<P> (2) BAD COMPANY. Get Pete Milligan to script it - he wrote it, after all. Paul Verhoeven to direct, but with less satire. Or Neill Blomkamp.<P> (3) NEMESIS THE WARLOCK. Just 'cos. And if there's any justice, it'd be a Sam Raimi joint. The EVIL DEAD II Raimi, not the SPIDER-MAN 3 Raimi.
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......for the same reason he was crying in the comic...because Veidt was going to kill a fuckload of people. That wasn't overwhelmingly clear?</p><p>As far as the helmet issue, any attempt to humanize Dredd, which was the entire basis of the film, destroys it. This was most people's problem with Anakin Skywalker in the prequels. Darth vader, Like Dredd, is teh ultimate badass. We don't need any kind of weepy heart-to-heart with that character. Getting to know their favorite color, or what flowers they think are pretty serves no purpose dramatically. In all the thousands of Dredd comics, we know FUCK ALL about him for a reason.</p><p>Judge dredd is the iron grip of a dystopian future. THAT'S what makes him so fucking cool! he has no "heart", he has no "soul". He's an uncorruptible "cop". He has one goal in life, to bust fucking perps. he will never break the law, but he will go right up to the edge of it to do so. There's no shades of fucking gray to his character....THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!</p><p>My favorite stories were where he still threw motherfuckers in iso-cubes at the end that spent the entire story helping him. Or he would toss them in for some minor infraction they incurred HELPING him!</p><p>THAT'S DREDD! The fact that he CAN'T compromise, even slightly.
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Except that Dredd DOES doubt - he compromises when he realises he longer 100% believes in the Rule of Law, which is why he requests to take the Long Walk, in the story preceding TALE OF THE DEAD MAN. Because of the letter from a kid whose father he threw in the cubes, which shakes his belief and eloquently gives the reader the argument FOR democracy, all i one story. Brilliantly done, and the only time we see Dredd weaken, if only very slightly.
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...I always read it as him being overwhelmed by how BIG the plan was - that it was such an overwhelming piece of lateral thinking that it couldn't POSSIBLY fail, and it would remove the need for crimefighters in the world all at once. That's why he cried - an existential crisis and shock at the scale and the breathtaking hubris of the plan. I'm sure the death of millions is a part of it - but the Comedian doesn't balk at killing - which is why he and Nite owl don't get on, Comedian isn't that far away from being Rorscach. I think it's the scale of the idea that upsets him so much, which is nowhere near as scary when it's the lame Manhattan plan of the movie.
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I think you just helped made the point that RETURN_of_FETT was making.
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So I don't know the story you are referring to. But I'm gonna go ahead and assume that story is used to reinforce his convictions. He considers an alternative to that society intellectually, but comes right back, probably locking up some revolutionary types in the process. I don't mind them playing around with our preconceptions of him, but he's got to come full circle at the end of the story.
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He comes back to Mega City One because the Sisters (female Dark Judges) have arrived, and MC-1 needs all the Judges it can find. Dredd finds Chief Judge MacGruder in the Cursed Earth, and the two of them make it back to a destroyed MC-1 and have to avert an apocalypse almost as big as Necropolis (or was it actually Necropolis the Sisters cause? I forget!). Either way, aafter averting the end of the world, the merits of democracy and Dredd's doubts about the Rule of Law are quickly forgotten...
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Yeah, but Fett thinks Comedian is crying at how many people are gonna die - I think he;s crying because he knows that the squid idea is so big and so left-field, that it will work PERFECTLY and bring about the utopia that renders his existence pointless. I don't think the thought of all the civilian deaths bothers Comedian at all - he's more than comfortable with civilian deaths and collateral damage by this point - but the sheer daring of the plan freaks him out most. So I do disagree with Fett on this one...
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It's the betrayal by one of his own and the inevitable demise of the Watchmen. At least that's how I read it.
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Spud- I would put the link here, but I don't want to encourage that little livestock rapist with the shit opinions. Google Moonwolves and either me or Droid<P>New Who is staggeringly uninteresting. I almost miss RTD for the flame wars. <P>Finally, all the things about 95 Dredd that worked come from The Day the Law Died.
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You are one classy little bitch. Why don't you remove your ridiculous pointy dome from your rectum, shut the fuck up and stick to tea-bagging JJ Abrams. <P>You vile little fuck, why Franco passed up the chance to turn your fucking shithole of a country into Spain's landfill is beyond me.
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Will catch you there. You're dead right about new WHO - apart from Amy's astounding lack of character development (which I hope he explains come the finale) there's really nothing to hate or bitch about, but nothing to praise or rave about either. And the gay agenda has become the Scottish agenda, and who gives a fuck about the Scots?<P> Now I'm gonna have to read THE DAY THE LAW DIED again. I feel a weekend long trawl through my Judge Dredd Case files coming on...
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Fucking love that movie! Jeff Kober FTW!!!<P> Jarv, you're a man of wealth and taste.
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Thanks very much.
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"....is to have some other character be the centre of the story but make it so Dredd is in most of the film. Otherwise if the film is just mainly focused on him and follows him around it might come across as silly if he always has his helmet on." eeer I refer you to V for vendetta...amazing what you can do with proper script... Oh and the long walk wasn;t the only time you see Dredd doubt his position it is currently an ongoing theme within the present storyline where he has been thrown out into the cursed earth as punishment from a new chief judge for his support of mutant rights.... Peace!
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Cause Necropolis by bringing back the Dark Judges. Dredd has to kill their psychic link. <P>A hell of a story.
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"....is to have some other character be the centre of the story but make it so Dredd is in most of the film. Otherwise if the film is just mainly focused on him and follows him around it might come across as silly if he always has his helmet on." eeer I refer you to V for vendetta...amazing what you can do with proper script..."<P> You could argue that V FOR VENDETTA is actually the story of Evie though, and V is just the supporting role to her protagonist. Though in fact V drives the plot more than Evie does, so maybe they're BOTH progtagonists??<P> Either way - it'd be hard to have V in that movie without Evie...
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I always saw the dark judges on cinema like the cenobites from hellraiser, not much dialogue but fucking creepy and menacing. If they are done like that they wont be cheesy
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Please, there were many other more worthy characters in 2000AD.
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"This helmet thing...it's inconceivable, even in the world of Mega City One, that Dredd would NEVER take the helmet off. He'd get the equivalent of trenchfoot on his face from all the sweat never getting out of the helmet! And how does he shave? Or Q-tip his earwax out? People get bedsores from lying in a bed after merely a few weeks - how can a guy live in his helmet all his life??"<p> Wow...you completely, and utterly, don't get the original comic at all, do you? Not even an inkling.<p> I hate explaining a good joke as much as the next person, but the original comic's built around a dystopic future taken to a comedic extreme. "Law" in this future is decided curbside, right on the fucking street, by fascistic cops (Judges)...but maybe the cops have a point, because the criminals are way worse than ours. But which came first...the fascist cops, or the mutant super-criminals? Who cares? It's just a black comedy premise. Same as Dredd never, ever, removing his helmet, because he's such an uptight, icecube-pissing bastard.<p> Which is what a DREDD movie should be...black comedy. And why the Stallone version wasn't even in the ballpark, because if there's one thing Hollywood can't do for shit, it's black comedy. Wouldn't matter anyway...the subset of Americans who appreciate dark humor are pretty much restricted to arthouses watching Coen movies, and having to listen to some latte-liberal two rows back loudly giggle to prove to the theater that he "gets" every joke.<p> Long story short, DREDD's a British thing, most Americans simply won't get it. Which is why I recommended the brilliant JUDGMENT ON GOTHAM above, because in addition to being hugely entertaining (watch what happens when The Scarecrow spritzes Judge Death with his fear spray) it beautifully contrasts the British and American approaches to their "heroes".
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I DO get the joke, I'm just sick of hearing all the whiners moaning about Dredd taking off the helmet in the '95 movie. That was the LEAST of that movie's woes, and it's a MOVIE - of COURSE we need to see the actor at some point! Unless, of course, the protagonist is someone else and Dredd is the icon who steps in and out every so often, which I don't think would work. In the end, two hours of an inflexible, rigid asshole barking orders at everyone would get boring. You NEED some character development in there somewhere, otherwise what's the point of a movie where the protagoist is exactly the same at the end as he is in the beginning??<P> No, I DO get the idea... but a movie and a comic are very different things. There has to be SOME compromise, somewhere. The helmet coming off won't destroy the icon that is Dredd if you have the right actor.<P> As for Americans not getting the comedy of Dredd... True, which is why they should get Verhoeven to make this, or no one. Because only ROBOCOP ever came close to getting the tone of a Dredd movie right.
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Youa re rat shit, that's a disgrace, just comit suicide. do it for yourself, and do it for toehrs, think of the oxygen will be saving for real people, which you aren't, you piece of rat shit fuck.
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I agree that in the comic, the reason why The comedian cries is that for the first time, he realised he's out of his depth. Soembody not only out-think himself regaridng the human conditionj, but made an effrot to actually find a solution, which will work. Comedian ot an inight to the human nature, but he just went on by, he surfed the times, took adavantage for small perks, but did nothing for the betterment of his own kind. All he did was playing politics with the big boys, for personal gain. This is why comedian cries, in the end soembody got a deep insight into humanity, and that somebody kept on going and fullfilled the mission and the very reason why they had became heros to begin with, to help save mankind.<br><br>It's the enormity of it all that makes Comedian cry. He always though he saw the funny side of things, but somebody else made the biggest joke of them all, something even the comedian couldn't ever dream. That's my take on it.
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..And I still can't believe they put Rob fucking Scneider in a Dredd movie. Does anyone remember the story about Stallone leaving his mic on and how the whole crew could hear him and his wife doing the bad thing? Apparantly he was yelling "Slap My Butt" over and over again. He showed up for filming the next day and the crew had made up Slap My Butt T-Shirts!Or did I dream it? What day is this?
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... with Judge Anderson... as a totally hot babe with massive norks... My first comic crush !
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Hell yeah... If wet, Amber Heard :D
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Not removing the helmet can work just fine, if they get an actor who has the right sense of presense, who has a commanding enough voice, and who can act physically, rather than just lumber around. Take a look at Darth Vader in the original trilogy, who had more presense and cinematic power before the helmet came off. Or how about V in V for Vendetta, a performance that was done completely behind a mask. Hell, most of Peter Weller's Robocop performance, or Jackie Earl Haley's Rorschach in Watchmen was done in masked form. You just need the right actor.<p>And in the case of Dredd, it's not that the helmet should never come off, it's that you should never see his face, never identify the person underneath, because he is meant to be the faceless jackboot of authority, as soon as Dredd has a man's visage attributed to him you lose the power to be that any longer, and he just becomes another guy wearing a helmet. Dredd is more than just a man, showing his face however makes him just another man, and that's why you don't show his face.
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"And that massive genocide is what brings Judge Death to Earth; actions have consequences, after all." I've gotta say, just for the record, that idea is so lame. Just hackneyed, terrible. To quote Shia LeBeouf: no, no no no no. Judge Dredd being responsible for Judge Death coming is just cliche as hell. Plus your idea doesn't make any sense, after Dredd nukes those SOV bastards there is less life on the planet than before, so it'd be that much less appetizing for Judge Death. Also, for the record, the movie Judge Dredd is way way better than Demolition Man I'd say. As for the Navy Blue versus Black thing. To me it just doesn't matter, back in the day it was drawn as navy blue, much like Batman. I know it's supposed to be black storywise, but since apparently in comics blue and black are the same thing, it doesn't really matter to me in reality either. Oh yeah, and on the budget thing, I don't see the problem with 50 million, I mean I'm glad they were able to secure any financing at all and get this made. Serenity was made on 39 million, Freddy vs. Jason on 30 million, and just for fun... Star Wars on 11 million.
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Anyone who sez dat is an IDIOT
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I'll take Diane Lane over Sandra Bullock any day good sir! And hell, I'll even take Armond Assante over Wesley Snipes Gaze into the fist of Dredd!
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the humor may have been too dry for the hollywood execs, but it looks like this will be bankrolled by outside sources.<p> having Boyle around gives me hope, though the first Dredd was not awful; just unsatisfying after such great work on the design...the dropping of schneider's character into the bowels of Mega City One was great...<p> they really lost the humor though and the unrelenting nature of Dredd's character - but the ABC Warriors, the Angel gang..esp Mean Machine ("Eat Four!")...great, great stuff...<p> hopefully they don't blow it again
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