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Hey Arizona, Don't Fuck With This Mexican... MACHETE has some Cinco De Mayo words for you!!! Now in 720p!

Hey folks, Harry here and earlier today Robert Rodriguez and Danny Trejo dropped by my house with a package. Rodriguez is calling this his "Illegal" trailer. You see, Robert talked Fox into letting him put together a Cinco De Mayo message for ARIZONA - given. Well, the way things are in Arizona at this moment - it is kinda insane that there is a movie that was shot over a year ago waiting to be released that is about - THIS EXACT ISSUE... but if, Danny Trejo and buddies went Revolution Wacko as a result.

Make no bones about it, this is a pure Mexploitation film, but like real exploitation at its height, that shit was pulled straight out of the headlines, even sometimes slightly before the headlines were the headlines. Frankly - that's just kinda cool. We've all known about this silly fun project of Robert's for a while, but then... an entire fucking state just goes fucking nuts... And us being Texans - we're usually quite aware of the lunacy of our surroundings here. But really, ARIZONA... what the hell?

For your pure enjoyment here you go my friends, Happy CINCO DE MAYO! Spread this Everywhere!!!






     


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  • May 5, 2010, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Papers Please!

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • May 5, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST

    PURE AWESOME

    by JaviT

    As a Tucsonan who moved to Austin, I am embarrassed for my former home state. I can't wait to see this!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    wow

    by wash

    Pretty awesome cast there.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST

    De Niro and Seagal in the same movie?

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Ge the fuck out of here!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I love how it blends new material with the stuff...

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    ...we know from the Grindhouse trailer. The "introducing Don Johnson" gag was lame, though.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Hell Yes!

    by Muldoon

    Yeah, this trailer pretty much kicks ass.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ...

    by Massawyrm 1

    I've seen some wild promotional studio stunts in the past, but setting up the passage of a law to promote a film takes the cake.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    I guess his will get a good review here now....

    by james4543

  • May 5, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    stupid liberal bullshit

    by goatherdingclownhunter

    Harry, cut the liberal bitching and moaning. All of you assholes seem to think that we can just allow millions of undocumented people to infiltrate this country and leach off it. Every day our people are getting murdered by criminalien thugs and drug dealers. I guess that doesn't matter to fat liberal jackass nerds.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST

    the grindhouse trailer was better

    by Gorgomel

    "where are my wife and daughters?" guess this one won't get an X rating. :(

  • May 5, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST

    I bet Rodriguez & Trejo don't live near the Mexican Gangs!

    by james4543

  • May 5, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Thanks Harry!

    by TheButcher

    That was cool!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST

    hahahah that's awesome. Bring on THANKSGIVING dammit!

    by Mike_D

    cmown!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:52 a.m. CST

    PS - This trailer does NOT look good!

    by james4543

  • May 5, 2010, 3:55 a.m. CST

    SPOILER ALERT: LOST

    by Director91

    2 ex-LOST cast members in the same trailer

  • May 5, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST

    "Robert Rodriguez and Danny Trejo dropped by my house"

    by james4543

  • May 5, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    goatherding

    by JaviT

    so everyone who comes here illegally is a thug drug dealer?

  • May 5, 2010, 4 a.m. CST

    Yes

    by Harlow

    Motherfucker. Yes!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Harlow

    And I was saying yes to the awesome trailer not you JaviT.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:05 a.m. CST

    JaviT

    by james4543

    Are people that come here "illegally" law breakers?

  • May 5, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Illegals

    by Darth Melkor

    Not everyone who comes here illegally is a drug dealer or a thug. But everyone who comes here illegally IS a criminal because they're breaking the law by doing so. And they should be subject to legal action. They're called ILLEGALS for a reason. Machete looks cool tho.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST

    cabronazo

    by CuervoJones

    Danny Trejo = Conan the Cimmerian.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    This looks

    by dante76

    ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    darth melkor

    by JaviT

    what he said

  • May 5, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Why my Friend Roger Ebert is Dead Wrong about Name Dropping

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • May 5, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST

    HELLS YES!!! Keep your IRON MAN 2...

    by 3D-Man

    ... this is the shit right here!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    CHINGON, ese!

    by Mariusz

    This is gonna be outrageous! Can't wait. Oh yeah, Fuck Arizona! Piece of shit, racist shithole. Back in the late 80's, U2 wouldn't play there 'cause they wouldn't acknowledge Martin Luther King Day? This isn't their 1st rodeo, people. MACHETE 4 Presidente!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:58 a.m. CST

    by leveldwella

    enforce the law !

  • May 5, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    I'll be there opening night

    by detectivesoap

    this looks all kinds of awesome. In fact, let the countdown begin. This may well be the best movie I've seen in years...and NICE blending of the old with the new. Fuck Kickass and all the shit thats supposed to appeal to real fanboys...this movie is heaven for fans of Trejo and exploitation cinema. Viva Machete!!!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Um...wow

    by Daredrummer

    This has left me with a strange, confusing mix of emotions.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST

    This looks

    by Hercules

    amazing. <p>AMAZING! Robert De Niro as a redneck politician? And Don Johnson and Steven Seagal and Jeff Fahey and Jessica Alba and Lindsay Lohan? Fuck. Me.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    To Mr. Rodriguez

    by detectivesoap

    Please eventually set Troublemaker up as a sort of Roger Corman Film School so I can come and make real movies with you. I will work for free, and work very very hard to create art and real counterculture cinema. I write scripts and can learn very quickly to do pretty much anything. Thank you.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    And Cheech with shotguns!

    by Hercules

    Badass!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST

    HARRY...

    by JaviT

    did they happen to mention when the Planet Terror/Death Proof double feature blu ray will ever come out?

  • May 5, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    I would LOVE to hear Robert Osborne introduce this one!

    by ltgalloway

    Up next on Turner Classic Movies...

  • May 5, 2010, 5:34 a.m. CST

    ltgalloway

    by gotilk

    ROFL!!! Perfect.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Holy shit....that looks awesome

    by BumLove

    Strangely....the weakest part of that trailer appears to be De Niro. Seems like he's phoning it in. The rest of the it looks great.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    BEST. CAST. EVER.

    by TheDark0Knight

    I seriously can't wait for this. It's hard to believe that it actually got made.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Matthew Vaughn just dropped down by my house

    by oborostyle

    and said Rothman made him an offer he couldn't refuse

  • May 5, 2010, 6:01 a.m. CST

    THAT LOOKS FUCKING GREAT!!! GLAD RR GOT RID OF THE SCRATCHES....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I was worried that he was going to make Machete look like Planet Terror with all the fake scratches and print fuck ups that IMHO detracted from that movie. Anyway, Machete looks like nice R-rated fun for the whole family. The only problem is that I doubt that Michelle Rodriguez, Jessica Alba or Lindsay Lohan get naked for this. RR should have just hired some porn actresses.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    KNOWLES, WHAT'S THE BUDGET FOR THIS?

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I'd like to know.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:08 a.m. CST

    OH AND TELL RR TO MOVE HIS ASS ON SIN CITY 2 & 3 KNOWLES!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    It's been five cunting years since that masterpiece came out and it's pisses me right the fuck off that we STILL haven't got any sequels.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    ALSO, NO FUCKING OBIT FOR JAMIE GILLIS? FUCK YOU KNOWLES!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I can't believe that I just found out that porn legend Jamie Gillis died on February 19th of this year from melanoma. Well, I guess that when AICN can't be bothered to do a obit on Ed McMahon, a WW2 vet and 30 year co-host of The Tonight Show, it stands to reason that you wouldn't care about the death of a someone who portrayed a mentally disturbed man that sexually assaulted women by administering enemas in the 1976 porno classic Waterpower. Jamie Gillis R.I.P. AICN F.U.C.K.Y.O.U.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    That's all kinds of wrong

    by NippleEffect

    I can't wait

  • May 5, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Stupid redneck cunts who DO NOT GET IT

    by quantize

    the objection is NOT illegals..its profiling based on race..yeah..how the fuck would you like it? pick your own fruits and do your own dirty work then redneck fuckwits.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Count me in.....

    by Arturo

    Now thats what you call a trailer....Looks cool..

  • May 5, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST

    COOLNESS...

    by Baron Merlot

    This looks like a fun ride, can't wait!

  • May 5, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    The Next Batman Film

    by dcsmith

    I've written a screenplay for it and am looking for feedback. Find it at: http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n

  • May 5, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Friggin awesomeness

    by barnaby jones

    can't wait.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    wha the fuck?

    by MamboMan

    this looks awesome!

  • May 5, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Fuck Right Wing Dumbasses

    by PTSDPete

  • May 5, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Jay Leno as Arizona :

    by PTSDPete

  • May 5, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    STFU and Die, Redneck Teabagger Scum

    by PTSDPete

    Scalp them.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    You had me at Cheech with guns

    by ATARI

  • May 5, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Can. Not. Wait.

    by tightsofsteel

    Golden. GOLDEN I SAY!

  • May 5, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    That was awesome.

    by Nordling

    Redneck DeNiro. Steven F'n Seagal. (Will he use his Seagal-Vision?) Fuckin' A.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Just what part or meaning...

    by duct tape wallet

    of the word ILLEGAL does a mentally capable adult NOT understand? Sheesh. Besides, MAYBE the Messiah will FINALLY enact some enhanced FEDERALLY RUN border control as a result. Arizona's budget will never be able to hold up under the costs associated with this legislation in the long run anyway.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Deniro's in this? Holy shit!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    "The border crossed us?" That's terrible.<p> Still, I'm looking forward to this. You need only say Danny Trejo and I'll hand over $10

  • May 5, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    So Danny Trejo is now waying in...

    by Sailor Rip

    on American politics with a trailer to a movie? <p> That's a hell of an argument there. <p> "What about Health Care Mr. Trejo?" <p> "Uhhh, watch the trailer to Home Alone 2."

  • May 5, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    Felate that gunbarrel, you whore

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You know what I like

  • May 5, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    *weighing

    by BumLove

  • May 5, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    BumLove

    by Sailor Rip

    It's early.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Don't fuck with Lindsay Lohan DUH!

    by Johnshx

  • May 5, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    you're SO right Harry

    by RefutetheHype

    how insane is it to actually empower the police to do their jobs? it's such an insane concept that wow man you are right theyr just going crazy over there.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by MainMan2001

    THis trailer is the best yet.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    introducing Don Johnson!!!!

    by Merrick

    Can't wait to see what happens with his career!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Yup, I have no words...........

    by Stuntcock Mike

    This is a dream come true.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    You're SO WHITE, RefutetheHype.

    by nether

    Obvious. Caucasian. Bullsh*t. Thanks, Harry, for being one of very few white men (and you are very white) that I think Machete would call "hermano".

  • May 5, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Liberal Idiots...

    by Mattheius2783

    do any of you morons understand that the AZ bill mirrors FEDERAL LAW??? and god forbid if you punks had a work ethic and had parents that made you work at a young age like working in restaurant or picking fruit, maybe we wouldnt hear the nonsense of who will do these god awful jobs...go smoke your weed and have a shitty K/D ratio on Halo

  • May 5, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    hahahah this actually looks pretty cool

    by carlanga

    congratulations rodriguez

  • May 5, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    If you're having trouble with your southern border

    by zinc_chameleon

    perhaps you should just hand over your country to the Canadians. We'll do our best to get you re-instated into the Commonwealth. It's for your own good...

  • May 5, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    OH GOD THIS IS AWESOME

    by Gungan Slayer

  • May 5, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Looks like all kinds of fun.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Politics of the real situation aside - the film has gotta be a success, it looks too damn good a time to fail. I'm willing to bet Lohan's hoping it makes a lot of bank, it's about her only hope of getting other projects to hire her now.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I just spooged my pants!!!

    by mongo126

    Some Lohan/Alba lesbo action would make this the greatest movie ever.

  • May 5, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    There are still conservatives who read this site?

    by Right Bastard

    It's been YEARS, and you are still bitching about it? Harry's not changing, so suck it, bitches. <p> Movie looks awesome, btw. How is it that Michelle Rodriguez manages to get HOTTER with each passing year?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME

    by turketron_2

    IT HAS COME TO PASS!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    buen trabajo rodriguez

    by El Cimarron

    machete se ve que va a estar buena. se ve mejor que el trailer aunque prefiero el calvo que le dispara a machete y lo que le pasa despues. buen trabajo!!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    The left is really making asses of themselves...

    by ron2112

    Mattheius2783 is absolutely correct. This AZ law you're all screaming about has been a Federal law since the 1950s. The problem is the Feds don't enforce it, so AZ says fine, we'll codify it as state law and enforce it ourselves. Nobody can be forced to show their ID as they're playing in the park with their kids or shopping in the supermarket, so calm the fuck down. You'd have to already be detained for cause having nothing to do with your status before anyone can demand to see proof of citizenship. You're all coming off like a bunch of screaming nincompoops.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    LOL @ Pathetic Ignorant Liberals

    by howzah

    NT I rarely visit this site these days, since there are so many others that are so much better. Harry's rampant ignorant liberalism is the main reason why. I want to know about cool news. Not some fat fuck's idiot politics.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Best trailer ever?

    by Sulla

    Lol I mean c'mon, it's hard to beat that. Great stuff! ;D

  • May 5, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Loved the trailer

    by B Brian Blair

    And I think this new law is needed. Pennsylvania is now discussing this as they have issues with illegals as well. Oh and it's not just illegals from Mexico and other South American countries. You have Chinese and Russians coming into this country illegal. It's not a race thing. Only people who are ignorant are trying to turn it into a racial profiling problem. The problem is I agree that police will use racial profiling more in AZ because the majority of the illegals are hispanic. In New York City there are a lot of illegals that are white, black, etc etc. Either way I can't wait to see Machete!! Now where are our Sin City sequels?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Machette: Sponsored by Taco Bell

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    Just you wait....

  • May 5, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Understand...

    by nakoalv

    Everyone is pulling the racist card and claiming racial profiling. Time to read the actual law. It works the same way as most seat belt laws. They only ask if you are pulled over or stopped for doing something else first. They do not go around asking randomly as some would have you believe. AS for the profiling comments, when a black man robs a bank, do you go around looking for a white man just to not seem racist. That would be stupid and a major waste of time. If you are trying to crack down on Illegal Mexicans crossing the border, are you going to look for Germans as well to make it seem fair? That would be stupid and a waste of time. You are going to look for Mexicans as those are who you are trying to stop. Time for this country to use some common sense and stop the Racist crap that the left has been pushing anytime the don't agree with anything.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Where is the Chihuahua?

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • May 5, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    It goes more deeper than Reading the Law....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    It is the application of the law that is disturbing.... What constitutes probable cause? The potential for profiling is there unfortunately....

  • May 5, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Of two minds...

    by Royston Lodge

    On the one hand, it is a simple fact that the Arizona law simply mirrors the unenforced federal law.<p> It's also true that, when you share a border with an unstable, violence-prone nation, it's incumbent upon you to defend that border.<p> On the other hand, ever taken a look at how hard it is for a hard-working, non-parasitic individual to LEGALLY immigrate to the United States? It's crazy. There is no good reason to make it harder for WORKERS to immigrate.<p> http://tinyurl.com/5rarwo<p> At the end of the day, going by the Federal government's actions, the Feds are AGAINST legal immigration and FOR illegal immigration.<p> It's just ass-backwards.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Trejo = Coolness

    by ominus

    cant wait for this friggin movie

  • May 5, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Sin City sequels will never happen

    by BumLove

    Robert Rodriguez will never work with whatshisface...the comic book guy, who wrote the graphic novel, ever again. Creative differences, egos, and whatnot.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    What constitutes probable cause?

    by Royston Lodge

    Luckily, there is an entire web site devoted to that question:<p> www.probablecause.org

  • May 5, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I find the whole Arizona deal amusing.

    by SunTzu77

    Police can only ask for identification/proof of citizenship in conjunction with another violation... ie running a red light, etc. Also, the person who is pulled over reserves the right to sue the police department if they've been harassed. So, what's the big deal? I doubt this video will generate any press... because Robert Rodriguez isn't relevant anymore. If this trailer was a skit on Will Ferrell's "Funny or Die" site then it might have caused waves. I'm just surprised Lindsay Lohan was sober enough to do this film.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    What idiot protestors demand to be allowed to break the law?

    by Kentuckian

    1. The "papers please" nonsense is hysterical. The AZ law does NOT allow police to stop anyone on suspicion of illegal immigrant status, but requires the same probable cause as is extant. 2. Illegal immigrants protesting because they are not given the "right" to break the law is insane. 3. We should make it easier to immigrate legally, but must enforce the immigration laws and secure the borders.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Amen

    by Mattheius2783

    And another thing, talk about one's "civil" liberty's being shit on, what about ACTUAL citizens who civil liberties have been shit on buy these leaches who suck the out of the tax pot with free schooling, healthcare, housing, food etc. not to mention 1/3rd of all prisoners we pay for are illegals...and what do they do when they finally earn a buck...send it back home...if illegals are so great why the hell is their country a hell hole? anyways this movie will still be great...

  • May 5, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    There's also a great little documentary on probable cause...

    by Royston Lodge

    "10 Rules For Dealing With The Police"<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmrbNLt7Om8 (remove spaces as required)<p> Produced by a couple of former CATO Institute interns. That's correct, right-wingers!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Check out Last Week's Onion AV Club

    by Aquatarkusman

    Long interview with Danny about his roles going back to the mid-80s. This movie looks bad-ass, and I love the Frost Bank Tower (known to me as the Austin Ghostbusters Building) in the background of Michelle Rodriguez's sniping.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Cool, but Alba was way lame...

    by crappyfun

  • May 5, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Anyone knows Mexican laws about immigrants and visitors?

    by onezeroone

    ARIZONA will look like Disneyland in comparison. I really can't understand what the protest is about? You want to ALLOW illegal immigrants in your state/country? The ones who leech off resources paid for by hard working tax paying citizens?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I'll bet ALL of you have been illegals at some point

    by altoandando

    for some thing or the other.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    quantize

    by classicgamenerd

    I would gladly pick my own fruit and do my own dirty work if it meant cleansing my neighborhood of the uneducated, filthy, CRIME COMMITTING pieces of shit that have totally RUINED my city. The fact that they are Mexican has nothing do with it. They could be non English speaking Germans for all I care. Even as I type this the stink of chicken shit is drifting through my window from the 2 "farms" I am forced to live between (in the middle of a goddamn metropolitan city!!) It's not Doctors and Lawyers crossing our borders, it's lower - lower class peasants (and as a nice bonus a chunk of them are violent criminals!)I just want to live in a nice neighborhood and be able to actually communicate with my neighbors.<p> But I guess that makes me a racist redneck.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    By the way:

    by classicgamenerd

    I'm Hispanic.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    In Mexico it's illegal for non-citizens to DISCUSS Mexican polit

    by Royston Lodge

    According to Mexico's "General Law of the Population":<p> - Noncitizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." A plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights.<p> - The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics."<p> - If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.<p> - Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in the United States (see, for example, President Obama's illegal alien aunt -- a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim). <p> - Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities. <p> - Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.<p> (Source: http://tinyurl.com/29pekus )

  • May 5, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Luchadores should be deported IMMEDIATELY!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    Rey Mystero.... papers please...!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I only give good directors a hard time

    by mychuma

    Looks a lot like Planet Terror in style. Hope he can bring in some unique style tricks to this film. Off course this project is 10 times more awesome than anything coming out except for Predators and Inception.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Love people who side with ILLEGAL immigrants..

    by WickedJester

    Then go complain about how the government doesn't work. Sigh.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge: Who Cares About Mexican Law?

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    I generally think that your overall argument is solid.... But please do not bring other nations' laws into dicussions concerning US policy. At some point we have to agree that different nations and cultures have different ideologies that are just as valid as US doctrine.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    classicgamenerd: You'll have to move to a hyper-liberal area.

    by Royston Lodge

    The cities that enforce municipal laws and regulations prohibiting that sort of thing tend to be the richer, hyper-liberal towns that like to regulate every moment of their residents' lives.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Wow erasing messages already...

    by Mattheius2783

    i forgot liberals love free speech only if you agree with their alice and wonderland bizzaro world bullshit point of view...

  • May 5, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Darfur: My point is that the Mexican government has been...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...extremely critical of Arizona's law.<p> http://tinyurl.com/26rcsqr<p> Of course, I forgot to mention that.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Mexico Needs to Mind Their Own Business Then...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • May 5, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Oh fucking hell yes!!

    by kafka07

    grindhouse solidarity!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Solid point about Mexico...

    by SunTzu77

    Mexico's immigration policy is harsher than the U.S. <br> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12250584/ <br> "If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn’t be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn’t have been allowed on the force. Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies “xenophobic,” Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory. In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born. In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens."

  • May 5, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    SunTzu77: Mexico Did Give Us the Tortada

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    Ah Taco Bell!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Don Johnson? I'M so fucking there!

    by chien_sale

  • May 5, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Seagal looks chubby

    by MorganLeafy

    Must you guys bring politics into everything?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    "Cinco De Mayo message for ARIZONA - given." WHAT?

    by D.Vader

    Given? Given what? Edit man, edit. You. Do. Not. Make. Sense.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Looks amazing,

    by hst666

    Amazing, I tells ya

  • May 5, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    I didn't realize there were

    by hst666

    so many ignorant, white trash rednecks on this site. Illegal immigration is a problem. Arizona's solution is outrageous and unconstitutional. You want to stop illegal immigration? Have strict liability and heavy fines imposed on companies employing anyone under the table. Abusiness that cannot survive without slave labor does not deserve to exist. Also, raise the minimum wage and benefits.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    The bill is only 16 pages, people....

    by Doughboy

    It's not like we're talking about the 2,700 page monstrosity known as Obamacare. That made War & Peace look like a leaflet and was written in legalese that even Congress couldn't comprehend. And for those of you who've read the Arizona law(which obviously excludes Harry, the Hollywood left, most of the media, and a bunch of politicians), it clearly states that THERE CAN BE NO RACIAL PROFILING! They even went back and added stronger language to emphasize that. If you support open borders, fine. Just say it. Don't play the "race card" or "civil rights card" because you don't have the stones to admit it.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    hst666...

    by Mattheius2783

    last time i checked the constitution doesn't apply to ILLEGALS...oh and dumbass if you raise the minimum wage the cost of everything will go up, companies have the make up that difference of a labor cost increase with a product cost increase...do you really think it's a skilled job to flip burgers at mcdonalds and that person should be paid $20 an hour...give me a break

  • May 5, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    hst666...

    by Mattheius2783

    last time i checked the constitution doesn't apply to ILLEGALS...oh and dumbass if you raise the minimum wage the cost of everything will go up, companies have the make up that difference of a labor cost increase with a product cost increase...do you really think it's a skilled job to flip burgers at mcdonalds and that person should be paid $20 an hour...give me a break

  • May 5, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    So, the message is...

    by Mgmax

    Every Mexican may have an entire knife store under his coat, I guess.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, De Niro looks AWESOME in this!!

    by D.Vader

    Will we see someone in the crowd wearing a green jacket and sporting a mohawk when he gives his big outdoor speech? <p> And Don Johnson is in this?! <p> And there's a confirmation- Jeff Fahey IS in the movie! <p> Lindsay Lohan can fuck right off. Bitch.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    How much of that was from the original trailer?

    by D.Vader

    And how much of it was reshot I wonder?

  • May 5, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Seriously, fuck off Lindsay Lohan

    by D.Vader

    She would have NEVER EVER taken a role in a Rodriguez movie had her career not gone so far down the shitter and had she not blown her entire fortune on nose-poison. <p> The chick is a desperate crack-whore at this stage in the game.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Those of you supporting the Arizona law...

    by D.Vader

    Obviously aren't thinking hard enough about it. And if you're a conservative Republican, I don't understand how you can't see how antithetical it is to your beliefs. That is the government intruding on YOUR lives. That is the government basically saying it is okay at any time to ask YOU for your papers as if you live in Communist Russia. And if you forgot them at home? Guess what- you're going to jail. I hope your employers understand and don't fire you for not showing up for work that day. <p> I sure hope the tide doesn't turn one day and the majority of immigrants look like white Europeans. Or that its not the Irish again who are persecuted. Or the Italians. <p> Yes, we need to stop the massive influx of illegal immigrants, but this isn't the best way. It borders on unconstitutional, and its dangerous. Illegal immigrants won't report crimes to the police anymore for fear they will be deported. You know who they will turn to instead? The gangs. The Mexican Mafia. That's how it worked in the past. That's how it will work now. Its a bad, bad move. <p> Anyway, my two cents.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Chubby Seagal pees on women with his chubby penis

    by BumLove

    And makes Chubby Rain.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Read the bill, Vader

    by Kentuckian

    Your take on the AZ bill is simply wrong. No AZ LEO can stop anyone just to "see their papers." Have you ever been pulled over for speeding? I guarantee you they ask for a driver's license 100% of the time. That does not make this Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany...

  • May 5, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    The law as it was originally written...

    by D.Vader

    Said nothing about the police needing "cause" to ask for ID and proof of citizenship. In fact, it required police to ask that of ANYONE they suspected of being an illegal. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the suspect doing something wrong until the "liberal retards" complained and the lawmakers made that addendum. So think about that.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    And if I'm wrong on my last post...

    by D.Vader

    I will gladly admit it. But everything I'd read and heard about the law said that it wasn't until after all the complaints came out that they changed the law to say you could only ask for papers if the person was suspected of an offense.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Lord Elric

    One of the greatest tie ins I have seen in a long time. This should be in almost every theater. The media heat on it would be great.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    2 things.

    by HoboCode

    1. This trailer fucking rocked.<p> 2. When's the last time the police invented "cause" to harass anyone? Oh yeah. EVERY FUCKING HOUR.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    You're splitting hairs Vader.

    by Royston Lodge

    The original bill used the term "Legal Contact". It was acknowledged that this term was overly-ambiguous, so it has been amended.<p> Complaining about the language in a bill that is NOT being passed in order to demonize a bill that IS being passed is demagoguery.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I don't think so Royston

    by D.Vader

    The people championing the bill now were still championing it then when it was way worse. You could have been asked for papers if you reported a crime, and that's not right and makes things more dangerous for everyone in the community. <p> I'm not demonizing the bill, I'm just saying I still think its the wrong approach and needs more work. Yes, if you're arrested, you SHOULD be asked for proof of citizenship. When this bill came out, I was amazed that the police couldn't do that before. But the language of the bill can still be improved.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The things you complain about in the bill, are NOT in the bill

    by Kentuckian

    ...and never were. This movie looks like fun, though.

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  • May 5, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Are you sure Kentuckian?

    by D.Vader

    I agree, the movie does look like a lot of fun. And I really don't want to turn this into a big debate about the bill. I'd rather discuss the movie and how much Lindsay Lohan sucks. But are you sure those things were never in the bill originally? The bill as it stands now STILL says an officer may arrest someone without a warrant if he "has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States."<p> You know what's a public offense? Being in the country illegally. Unless I'm misinterpreting this, it looks like the bill says an officer can arrest someone simply bc he suspects they are here illegally. In other words, the person doesn't have to commit a crime. He only need speak a different language and the cop has everything he needs to go ask for papers. Am I wrong here?

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  • May 5, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Undocumented not illegal

    by rosncranz

    Moron fuck conservatives

  • May 5, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Love this, looks great! Trejo is the bomb!

    by BLEST

    Look, I grew up in East San Jose. All of my high school friends were Mexican. I've worked washing dishes in the mall, on construction crews, and in other places with almost all-mexican crews and most of them illegal.<p>They just want to work, and support their families. They are good folks, for the most part.<p>However, there's not denying that lots of drugs, lots of gangs, lots of killers come over too...<p>I heard a statistic, not sure if it's true, but that more US Citizens are killed by illegals each year than were killed in both the Iraq and Afghan wars COMBINED!<p>If true, this is unacceptable. Something must be done.<p>The AZ bill has some merit and those people are pissed. It's not just the old rancher who was killed on his own property by an illegal, but some of those gangs are doing car-jackings and stuff in the suburbs, and in some reported cases throwing out a car seat with A BABY INSIDE! <p>Something has to be done...<p>And it ain't Obama's "Imagration Reform" (translate: amnesty)that adds 10 mil new Democrat voters....

  • May 5, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Same difference

    by classicgamenerd

    Chickenshit scumbag Liberal

  • May 5, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Vader, your concerns are unfounded, but understandable

    by Kentuckian

    Can you imagine the blowback if cops in 'Zona did what some fear... round up folks without probable cause? Ain't happening, and the bill makes clear it must not happen.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    This looks like the worst thing ever.

    by cinemixtape.com

    But I guess that was the point.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    With no border, we have no country

    by Kentuckian

    We have different countries on the Earth for reasons. We have different states in the US for reasons. Not everyone wants to live the exact same way, and almost everyone desires some say in how the laws are enforced in their community/city/state/country...

  • May 5, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I want the freedom to break the law too!!

    by classicgamenerd

    Its alright as long as your considered basically a good person. Hey, I'm poor and want a better life. So it's ok that I disregard certain laws correct? <p> Ok, I pick shoplifting. from now on I can shoplift at my leisure and if ANYBODY has anything negative to say about it they will be considered racist and treated like hate mongers.

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    If anyone can get Alba to do a nude scene...

    by Kentuckian

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  • May 5, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Fucking idiots discussing politics on a film site

    by boogieboy

    Why don't you Cro-mag shit-stains stand by your convictions and go discuss politics where it matters, like on the streets where you might make a difference, instead of the comments section of a goofy film site about a Mexploitation film. Even the most intelligent, eloquent argument for either side of the issue sounds like infantile vomit because AICN isn't the place for it. Wise up, dummies

  • May 5, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    classicgamenerd

    by HoboCode

    I would argue that a shoplifter is not a good person. You're not even making sense, hombre.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Nothing Better Than Free Speach

    by jackpicks

    This movie is a perfect example of why the US is still great. The government passes a law and we get to give them shit without getting shot! What more can you ask for!

  • May 5, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    classicgamenerd

    by HoboCode

    cut off. Nobody is saying it's ok for illegals to break the law. If they do I'll boot them out my damn self. But this bill essentially gives the cops free reign to arrest anyone they want just to get them out of the country, whether they deserve to be or not. Cops make up probably cause on a daily basis.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by classicgamenerd

    Some people would<p> What if I was penniless and stealing food from Wal Mart to feed my family?

  • May 5, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by classicgamenerd

    "Nobody is saying it's ok for illegals to break the law"<P> THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW BY JUST BEING HERE!!<p> Make up your mind, is it ok to break the law or not??

  • May 5, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    coming here illegally? according to who?

    by antonphd

    this was their land for over 4 thousand years before we murdered their ancestors for it a couple hundred years ago. they have more of a moral claim to it than we do. say what you want about not wanting them back, but get off the goddamn fucking high moral horse about it and stop calling someone a criminal for trying to survive.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    My Head Just Exploded.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    That just cured my depression. The world needs this movie!

  • May 5, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    we invaded iraq

    by antonphd

    we killed how many tens of thousands of people to overthrow another country? who's idea was that? oh, yeah, i remember, the same fucking morons who support the arizona law. to them it's stay out of our country brow skins, but don't mind us invading yours and utterly destroying it.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    we invaded iraq

    by antonphd

    we killed how many tens of thousands of people to overthrow another country? who's idea was that? oh, yeah, i remember, the same fucking morons who support the arizona law. to them it's stay out of our country brow skins, but don't mind us invading yours and utterly destroying it.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    new aicn law:

    by noiretblanc

    all subhumans, go to the back of the site.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    classicgamenerd

    by HoboCode

    They could blow up Wal-Mart and I'd be happy.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    classicgamenerd

    by HoboCode

    It's not ok to break the law. If they are here illegally and break the law, fuck'em. But it's also not ok to ascertain who is here illegally based on how they look, which is what this bill opens the door for. If you doubt that fact, you are in serious denial.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    So the consensus is...

    by onezeroone

    Illegal aliens = Bad<p> Bill = Wrong step in right direction.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    all jews should be shot.

    by noiretblanc

    that's just a rule of thumb. i mean it in the cinematic sense. hollywood loves shooting jews. with cameras.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Real Arizonans are just like the fake Arizonans...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ... in Raising Arizona except A) Stupider B) A lot more racist and C) A lot less funny.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    I can deal with the discussion about the AZ law

    by MrLongbaugh

    but these spammers need to get lost. I don't want your damn Jordan's!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Show of hands

    by DeusExMachina

    Does anyone here really think that the government is going to do anything about the border? I don't think they are ever going to do shit. How many companies and businesses cheaply hire illegal immigrants? How many of these companies and businesses give money to politicians? How many politicans do we know that screw over everyone else, and does exactly what the people who line their pockets want them to do? We bitch about the government, but what about all these businesses and companies who hire illegal immigrants?

  • May 5, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Liberals Don't Get It

    by Wrath4771

    Illegal is not a race - if a bunch of Irish-Italians were coming across the border from Mexico then they should be asking for their green cards to. Sorry, liberal nut jobs, coming into the country illegally is a crime and if the police have probable cause then they should be allowed to ask to see a green card. There's a right way to become a citizen, until then, maybe you'll have to hire a miad or gardner for more than two bucks an hour.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I live in Arizona....

    by Quake II

    And the media spin on this bill is insane. It's not racist. It's a cry for help because the Federal Government isn't doing shit about the human trafficking and drugs that pour across the border every day. I love Mexicans, the food, the women and the culture. Most Arizonans agree. We all live in harmony here. About 50% of our police force is Hispanic btw. The national media is twisting this shit so badly.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    LOVE IT

    by Babyzon

    Mexicans are taking over, let's impregnate the white women and all the right winger daughters. that's what's gonna happen. forget about this law. were talking who is who here, what came first. america doesn't even know. hahahaha

  • May 5, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    no conservatives read this site

    by awardgiver

    just redneck trolling assholes who live nowhere near Arizona. I can't wait to get back to my fuckwad crazy Texas, cause Arizona sucks. These Mesa suburban assholes are nervous and twitchy about every little goddamn thing and it shows. And so many fake blondes in this state as well. Fuck sheriff Joe Arpaio and fuck the few on this site bitching about liberals. You don't like it, create a right wing movie review site. The rest of us have moved into the next century.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I'm a former resident in Arizona...

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    ...and your editorializing about Arizona's new law is bullshit typical of coddling liberal idiocy. This web site should be about movies irrespective of politics, not trumping for ILLEGAL immigrants who are violent and parasitic leeches sucking the teet of government subsidized by taxpayers' money. Look at California. How's its fiscal outlook? And I'm in Utah where Sheriff Deputy was murdered by a couple of illegals, as well as recent murder of a 19-year old West Salt Lake resident who was taking care of her grandmother. All done by illegals and their cohorts. Harry and Robert Rodriguez, you better pray Texas doesn't pass its own identical law, and you thank God Rick Perry, despite his claim of hard-right leaning, would veto the bill. And it's Texas's responsibility to take care of illegal immigration, efficiently or not. No surprise Austin is a sanctuary city. I support Arizona law because we LEGAL American citizens are sick of the crisis compounding, and you spit on those you disagree with just because you're a goddamn Jacobin liberal. The accurate equivalent of a modern liberal is Communist, and Communists are obnoxious about their political belief. La Raza, MEChA, Brown Berets, etc. And hey Robert Rodridguez, settle in Mexico if you feel so patriotic about Mexico but not America yet want to stay in America for the glory of American dream. Hypocrite.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by D.Vader

    You make a good point but you failed to address anything I said in my last post.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by MrLongbaugh

    They were here for 4,000 years? I think you need to read some history books. Or you can go to Wikipedia and look up "Conquistador". Here is a nice one for you. "Cook and Borak of the University of Berkeley claim that the population in Mexico declined from 25.2 million in 1518 to 700 thousand people in 1623, less than 3% of the original population." I'm not going to defend how the Native Americans were treated in the U.S., but what the Spanish did in Central and South America was basically genocide.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    greatest 2 and half minutes ever!

    by Darth Thoth

    That was pure bliss! I cannot wait to see this flick!!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Machete looks fun though...That cast!

    by Quake II

    That's the most random cast I've ever seen in a film. Oh yeah, let's not forget that director Bob Clark (Porkys, Christmas Story etc) was killed by a drunk illegal alien who crossed lanes and hit him head on. Just remembered that tragedy with this talkback.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Hypocrites!

    by sewiz

    I love how people say they are against the law because it profiles people and they ask, how would you like it? and then like there is all this hate based on some kind of preconceived idea of who holds a certain political opinion - i.e. white trash redneck, etc. Oh and speaking of hypocrites, check out Mexico's immigration policies: http://tiny.cc/633k3 Who is it that is always talking about race, seeking to make racial divisions? Is it conservatives? Is it those who seek a secure border? Its not. Its continually the left who bring it up, they can't let it go, they can't see past it. I don't care about race, I care about right and wrong - about character - and its the same with every conservative I know. We talk issues. We talk laws and governence and common sense, and we are called racists, morons, bigots, rednecks.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Mayflower

    by vansk8er7

    What do you think those people were that came over on the mayflower! They were called immigrants

  • May 5, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    So Harry didn't even read the law. Moron.

    by the_rising

    The Arizona law is a mirror of Federal Law. Is Federal Law racist? Harry is so far left wing moronic that he believes anything MSNBC tells him to believe.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Mexico bars foreigners if they upset the...

    by Darth_Inedible

    Mexican law states that they can bar foreigners if they upset the "equilibrium of national demographics", yet their Presidente whines like a baby when America even begins to try to control it's borders. The Mexican government would love nothing more than to transfer their entire impoverished, oppressed indigenous underclass over to America.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    vansk8er7

    by sewiz

    Yes, yes. We were all immigrants, ad nauseum. I don't know anybody - anybody, anywhere who is saying close out borders, keep em out! We just want immigrants to be legal, to be documented. Perhaps we need to look how difficult it is to come her legally, and reform those laws, but until then we should (and our Enforecment should be able too) enforce our borders and our laws.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Lighten the fuck up AICN conservatives

    by Giant_Dick_Bag_Filled_With_Taco_Meat

    It's just a fuckin' movie for fuck's sake that happens to be timely.<br><br>They started making this shit way before this Arizona law was a gleam in that state's eye.<br><br>If you can't enjoy something like this because it doesn't conform to your political ideology than I feel sorry for you. Jesus, I bet some of you are the same assholes who refused to watch Avatar because it was "typical Hollywood liberal garbage".<br><br>Lighten the fuck up already.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    As an Arizonan...

    by KingKirby

    ...I say fuck Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer and the Arizona Republican controlled lawmakers who made and passed this highly flawed bill WITHOUT the support of Arizonans through the process of an actual vote. However, as Mattheius2783 rightly points out, it is ALREADY a FEDERAL law that it is ILLEGAL to be in the United States ILLEGALLY. Arizona passed the bill to do something on a State level because the US Government has done NOTHING about the flow of illegal immigration on a federal level...which is shameful considering that Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano was formerly the Governor of our state. However, if Arizona, by passing this admittedly flawed bill, can promote actual discussion by people around this country about the problems inherent with illegal immigration, I'm all for it. Are we just supposed to do nothing? Are we just supposed to say "Millions of people came to this country legally and became naturalized citizens. But you came thru a hole in the fence, so you are welcome to increase the debt this state is already in because of the taxes you do not pay despite the services you are provided?” Something needs to be done...on SOME level. Have you people, Harry included, actually even read the bill? People will not be able to be stopped on our streets because they look like they may be here illegally. But that bastion of intelligencia, music artist Shakira, came to town to wag her finger and said so. So it must be true right? The truth is that, if, in the investigation of a crime, the police feel that there may be a reason to question the identity of a suspect then they can be asked for identification to prove who they are. Further, if this line of questioning (of a criminal suspect) then leads the police to be believe that the person is here illegally they can be detained on that basis. Does that mean that Arizona suddenly becomes a Gestapo state where requests of "Papers please" will be an incident of fearful importance outside the examination of criminal activity? No, it means for example, that you need to carry your state approved drivers license in your pocket...which you are supposed to do if you are pulled over driving a vehicle, anyway. But then, I believe you should always carry your identification on you…what if you were run over by a car for crying out loud…you may not be able to speak, so it might be nice to be able to be identifiable in some way, right? But no…“Oh, these monsters want us to have to carry I.D. We're human beings! Can't you just leave us in peace to be here illegally? Boo hoo hoo.” What it comes down to is, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. (Spoken like a true white 43-year old American, I know.) Oh well, Arizona went through the same kind of shit when our Republican Governor (the late Evan Mecham, who thought it was fine to call black children "Pickaninnys", and thought the government was shooting laser beam listening devices at his home) threw out Martin Luther King Day after it was created by his democratic predecessor, because he felt King didn’t deserve a holiday. U2 gave us a bunch of shit on that one...but clearer heads finally prevaled and we (the people) finally were able to vote MLK Day into law. Jeez...the DC Snipers killed a victim here, the 911 masterminds tried to get flight (but not landing) training here, Timothy McVeigh was here practicing how to blow shit up here. Now we have to put up with another shaming visit from Al Sharpton! Hasn't Arizona been through enough?

  • May 5, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    sewiz

    by antonphd

    it's not what you say that gets you called a racist or a moron or a bigot. it's what you do. you being conservatives. you have gay sex but then equate gay people to pedophiles. you say you want small government but you always massively expand government when you are in power. you question the religion and birthplace of president Obama. just to name a few. you give yourself your reputation by your own actions.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I thought this was a MOVIE site.

    by Quake II

    Why is every article twisted into some hippie-dippie liberal nonsense opinion piece on this site? Machete looks really cool but Harry has to throw his political opinion in there. Texas is as "good ol boy" as any state in the nation. Actors and directors are usually the most uneducated people on the planet so why is their opinion worth anything again? Oh yeah, because they're creative, rich and superior to everyone else. I forgot. Talk about movies and keep your political ramblings at home. Please.....

  • May 5, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    This is so awesome!

    by Psycho_Kenshin

    Machete is back, baby! HE KNOWS THE SCORE

  • I'll disagree with you there, Quake II.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    And having said all of that...

    by KingKirby

    "Machete" look likes it will be a lot of fun!

  • May 5, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The laws in Arizona...

    by Exasperilious

    pretty much make racial profiling legal and encouraged. THAT's what's wrong with them. Also Harry do you reread your posts? "but if, Danny Trejo and buddies went Revolution Wacko as a result." Makes sense. I'll be there opening day for this! Robert DeNiro? Had no idea!

  • May 5, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    and another thing...

    by Mattheius2783

    who gives a shit if most illegals in the country are hard working family oriented people, they are still milking the system dry because they dont pay taxes yet reap the benefits of healthcare schooling and every other freebie the government hands out, why the hell you think california is so fuckd financially???

  • May 5, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    by D.Vader...I admire some directors btw

    by Quake II

    I would say that directors are infinately more talented and intelligent than actors. Maybe that statement was too broad but I do hate that Hollywood constantly voices their opinion about politics. Let the criminals (politicians) run the country and actors/directors go use your imagination and entertain me. If I want political views, I'll watch the news.

  • May 5, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Well if lots more Irish flood in one day...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...and are persecuted again, don't worry, we know how to handle it... get a load of ax handles and crack a load of heads!

  • May 5, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    This movie can't come out soon enough!

    by Ganymede3001

    Viva la revolution!

  • May 5, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Where's the scene with the wife and daughter?

    by WarrenSmooth

    That was the best thing about the Grindhouse Machete trailer.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    DON MOTHERFUCKING JOHNSON.

    by pr1c3y

    Hells Yesssss.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Is he a Mexican?

    by skimn

    Or a Mexicant?

  • May 5, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    it's amazing that anyone has a problem with the Arizona law

    by TheFifthCylon

    So it's now against the law to be in the country illegally. Well, YEAH. DUH. It was before, too. Thus the "being in the country illegally" part. It's about time someone started enforcing the law. Thumbs up, Arizona! But this movie looks great. It's a lot of fun. Who cares if it's "message" is wrong? The Gecko Bros were criminals, too.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Film and the law

    by SithScorp

    Looking forward to this film. I love Danny Trejo, I love RR. However, too many people are going nuts over this AZ legislation. All the law does is direct local law enforcement to enforce the FEDERAL law. It is not the neo-fascist state mentality. Leave AZ alone. Instead, blame the federal government that seems to want to redistribute wealth more than protect the sovereignty of the national borders. P.S. A nice little note related to Cinco de Mayo, if it were not for the US pressuring France to get the heck out around 1864-67, they would all be speaking French right now.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    RODRIGUEZ FOR GOD!

    by pr1c3y

    That's right you fucking heard me man Jesus get the fuck off that cloud you had your turn it's Rodriguez's shot he knows what us motherfuckers want!!! We Want Don Johnson!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Gawd it must suck being a conservative movie fan.

    by Ganymede3001

    You must live miserable and unbearable lives. Always kicking crying and screaming about a liberal bias in everything you see.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    fuck you, aintitcoolnews.com. and fuck you Danny trejo- go back

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    If Harry Knowles was born and raised, and lived in Mexico,this website would not be around . and Danny trejo, you ugly fuck, you would not be who you are if it wasnt for the USA. Period. this country is the land of opportunity, and the mexicans want to exploit that, become a legal citizen, like everyone else had to.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Machete - you just just fucked with the wrong Arizonan!

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 5, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Seriously, what does "the boarder crossed us" even mean?

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 5, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I'm officially boycotting this.

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 5, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Michelle Rodriguez

    by boyblue

    Awooga!!nice

  • May 5, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    What about the cartels?

    by drewlicious

    The number one reason I hear about Arizona's passing of this law is that they were being pushed too far by the cartels and their drug trafficking, human trafficking, and their kidnapping and murdering of innocents. In fact they have a really high kidnapping rate. But.....how does this law combat that exactly? It's not like the cartels really care that the people they sneak over get caught after they've done their part. They get their money from that on the other side of the border.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Looks bad...and not in a good way.

    by blackmantis

    Sorry, not liking it compared to the original trailer. Casting Alba, De Niro, Lohan is a mistake and totally ruins the Grindhouse vibe for me. All there scenes seem out of place. Steven Seagal, however, is a stroke of genius...And I don't get that whole "border crossed us thing either". I'm sure at some point in history, yes, there were Mexicans living in the south before the borders were created, but that would of been hundreds of years ago. Anyone alive today was born either here, or there, and if you're from there, you have to cross the border to get here. Makes no sense. It's just a catchy phrase.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Though it pains you libs, conservatives do read AICN

    by SnowDogs

    You guys all act like, "Well, I'm a liberal and my friends are liberal, so everybody must be liberal except for those rednecks in the South." Douchebags. If you guys went unchecked America would be nothing but anarchist and socialist and you'd have to revolt just to have your freedom back. My favorite too is how "radical" you guys are to be liberals. Sheesh, the whole media supports every move you make. Want to be radical? Be conservative.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    The trailer looks awesome...however,

    by DoctorWho?

    ...I've reached new levels of incredulity when it comes to people's lack of basic logic.<p> The equation of wanting people to enter the country (any country) in an orderly, safe, measurable way to being a racist simply knocks me on my ass!<p> That leap of logic is over a chasm that Evil Knievel wouldn't even dare... maybe that metaphor is something you can get your head around Harry.<p> But man that trailer is PURE GOLD! It truly rocks! The cast is awesome. Too awesome really. I'm wondering if the movie could live up to the awesomeness in that trailer.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Machete gives me the badass chills!

    by sevadro

    Robert Deniro as Rick Perry? Seagal as the henchman? Michelle Rodriguez's body tight as hell! This movie is all kinds of break my foot off in your ass - so take your racist, redneck, white supremacist, back-assward, short-sighted, uninformed, fux news, palinite political views and shove them up your ass - along with a MACHETE if you can fit it! And "the BORDER crossed us" makes perfect sense you f*cking Tbag Dbag. Alba plays an ICE agent. Pay attention next time.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Trailer is wrong

    by ElStupido

    I dont charge 125 for septic. I think that is too high.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Liberals read AICN. Conservatives read AICN.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And everybody is full of shit. That appears to be the populist message for today.<P>Steady on.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Looks like a good, fun time

    by Marksman91

    And I must say, Michelle Rodriguez looked hotter than she's ever been in this trailer. About time she showed off the awesome body that she has.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Americans should Understand

    by D o o d

    and realise that one of the most beautiful things about your country is the immigrants. You're only colorful culture is there!<p>Arizona = Racists!

  • May 5, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Alba and Lohan

    by skycrapper

    that's a herpies sandwich if I've ever seen one.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hey Dood!

    by DoctorWho?

    No shit.<p> So tell me Einstein, which do you prefer...having good Mexican people come over here so we can under pay them like cheap dogs to do shitty jobs, keep treating them like second class citizens creating animosity? <p> Or would you like to have them come over and have all of the dignity and respect of coming safely and legally and having access to student loans, opportunities for education etc and establishing solid futures for their families generations to come?<p> Think about it asshole.

  • May 5, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    this looks like a fun film and its great to see De niro..

    by emeraldboy

    in a film where the script is awful or where he is parodying the godfather 20,000th time. Look the world over is having problems with immigration. it is the reason why gordon will leave his position as pm after losing the election for his party. though he seems to have found his passion in the last two days. Ireland I can tell you has not dealt with immigration at all. there has been no debate. no discussion. the irish govt loathes nigerians and is distrustfull of them, a woman cooked up a story about her two daughters would be subjected to Female Genital mutilation if she was deported back to nigeria. it would have been fine accept her story was a load of crap. there was huge debate in ireland about her story, her accurate her claims were FGN. Pamela is still fighting the irish state to stop her deportation. the irish govt kicked out all chinese workers and fastracked the deportations of any chinese student who turned up in ireland on thier own. this was after a series of students were enouraged to come to ireland to study english under false pretences. the english colleges were unregulated and so when these students came looking for work as had been promised, these students came to find that not only was there no work but these colleges didnt exist. the liberals in ireland called the then minister for justice a racist. McDowell was only doing his job. there were the afghans who took shelter in the attick of a church. one of them was linked to the taliban. the media found out about all this. and the liberals werent happy especially about the story connecting one the group to the taliban. So the current govt refuses to have a debate on immigartion. racists are stupid. Nick griffin is a good example. he is the leader of the facist BNP. The only people he wouldnt throw out were the irish because erm "as we know ireland is still part of britain" yet fear of foreigners will make people vote for that suited thug. I read the heads of the finance bill 2010 and I couldnt believe when I saw that as part of the bill the irish govt intends to introduce fiscal sharia law. and the govt plans to build islamic centers. then finally there is very important debate about who runs schools in ireland Church or State. The secularists want the church removed from all schools. there are 2 million practicing catholics and they want thier children tought in catholic schools. finally As in america as elsewhere and in the uk and ireland you hear the following line. they are taking our jobs. well they are taking our jobs because we( irish, english, american, australian and so on) dont want to certain jobs. so immigrants will do the jobs we dont want to do. I am sick of hearing stupid socialist leaning people. irish, american, english, australian etc, wanted to go to uni and become educated people. The dont want the low paid jobs. sorry about the length of this post. But it is not just americas problem. its a worldwide one......

  • May 5, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    I love that people are getting pissed over this

    by MattmanReturns

    I hope every white character is evil, just to further annoy people who can't take a joke.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Between this and The Expendables...geekgasam

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Holy fucking christ does that look just awesome. WOW whoever said 2010 was going to be a bad year for movies can just shut the fuck up right now. Expendables, Tron Legacy and this. Goddamn.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Can we get a new Ellis Island please?

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    With a big statue of Machete in front of it? Seriously immigration should be embraced and made to serve the good of the people. We're not really running out of space in this country.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    You're right Emeraldboy

    by DoctorWho?

    And you know we don't agree on much.<p> It's a worldwide problem. People need to be guided to assimilate into the culture and community they are immigrating to. Simple. They don't have to deny their heritage or ethnicity...just assimilate. Hell, that's one of the best things about America...we are lucky to have such an infinitely diverse tapestry of people here. American culture is EVERYBODY! Come on over and join the club.<p> But you know what? Your going to have to stand in line motherfucker. Just like Disneyland. You can't cut in line at the movies or Disneyland, you should expect such quality control at the fucking border eh?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Plenty of space in the Midwest

    by BumLove

    That's why the white people there act like they've never seen colored folk before.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    As a supporter of Arizona's new laws....

    by Dominocracy

    ... I'll still be there opening day. This looks beyond awesome.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Re: Not wanting to do certain jobs

    by DoctorWho?

    It's not that we( irish, english, american, australian and so on) dont want to do certain jobs.<p> We just don't want to do them for $3.00 an hour.<p> And therein lies the whole problem.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    "colored folk" BumLove?

    by DoctorWho?

    You sound like a bigot to me.<p> Do you use the phrase "uppity" too?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I really can't believe liberals are actually coming out

    by Coughlins Laws

    against this law. You are saying you are FOR people breaking the law. How do you sleep at night. How come, as an American Citizen, born in New York, I have to have an ID or Driver's License wherever I go, but illegal aliens don't? A white immigrant from Europe has to produce their papers at all times, why can't people from Mexico? I have to produce my ID several times a day. If I want to drive my car, I have to have ID. To cash a check, I have to have ID. To get in a night club, I have to have ID. Hell, sometimes just to buy cough syrup, I have to have ID. But somehow, it's too much of a burden to carry ID if you live in Arizona?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    This trailer had me until...

    by skycrapper

    Michelle Rodriguez...everything is fun until she shows up and can't even act in a spoof of a badly acted movie.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Liberals really are destroying the Democrat Party

    by Coughlins Laws

    and Obama. It's amazing how much damage Obama's socialist agenda has done to the popularity of the once great Democrat Party. From shoving Health Care down the throats of the the American people against their will, to coming out against a law that over 60% of Americans support and only 36% are against, it's refreshing to see you guys show your true colors to the rest of America, this way they won't make the same mistake of voting your guys back in next November...

  • May 5, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I love that clip of Cheech...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...with the sunlit cross on his face. "I'll see what I can do." Coolness.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by BumLove

    The irony of my comment with the use of the term colored folk it that's what people in the Midwest most likely use when they see one. "Hey, Marlene, look at that colored fella over yonder...hyuk hyuk hyuk" <p> I do get tired of having to explain my comments at this site, however...should I define irony, too?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    looks just like narco cinema

    by krull rules

    http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-film--2/mexican-narco-cinema-part-1-of-3

  • May 5, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    You obviously missed MY irony I guess

    by DoctorWho?

    You know, the irony of calling everyone a racist and a bigot over the most innocuous comments?<p> Seems like that may have been lost on you.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    EAT SHIT YOU REDNECK RIGHT WING COCKSUCKERS!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Hey, maybe if you fucking inbred shitkickers weren't soo fucking lazy then there wouldn't be any jobs out there for Mexican’s. Then there is the fact that you cunts still rely on slave labor like your confederate fuckstick ancestors. Or should that be incestors since none of your family tree’s fork. Everything that is wrong with the USA comes from the South, otherwise known as America’s asshole.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Awesome. Won't be seeing *this* movie now. Thanks

    by Cash907

    Hey Danny and Robert... when should I expect your movie that portrays corrupt Mexican officials raping and beating illegals from Honduras and Portugal, or just turning a blind eye while the drug cartels kidnap them for either ransom, or to put to work in their pot fields? Never? Yeah big fucking surprise you fucking hypocrites. Go back to your shithole of a country if things are so wonderful and rosey there, and stop fucking bitching about the one that made you both rich. It took me 8 years to become a legal citizen, and I busted my ass off to do it the right way, so I'll be damned if I'm going to feel sorry for a bunch of lazy fucking illegals who want what I have without earning it.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Bob Orci=Stinko De Mayo!

    by Stalkeye

  • May 5, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?, you're a moron

    by BumLove

    It's not my fault that you're one of the unfunny and unintelligent talkbackers who thinks he's funny and brilliant and that people actually give a shit what he says. No, you're one of the shitstains who talks but has nothing worth reading. <p> So the fact that you tried to say something ironic and failed is your fault, really. Not mine. You should go to the local pub and tell a joke, and then call the bar folk idiots for not getting your brilliant joke. No, really...go...that way we won't have to read your worthless comments in talkbacks for a few hours.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Well said, Creepy.

    by Stalkeye

  • May 5, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws, the Republican Party had their chance.

    by Ganymede3001

    What did your hapless party give us? The worst recession since the great depression, an unnecessary war in Iraq. The Patriot Act, decimation of the real estate and financial markets, a massive entitlement medicare prescription bill wasn't paid for. I can go on and on, your party fucking sucks dude. You had your chance, and you guys blew it.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    DON'T BLAME THE MEXICAN'S, BLAME THOSE WHO HIRE THEM!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    For all of your flag waving bullshit, you right wing cunts don't seem to chuffed over good old white boys hiring illegals when there are plenty of fat trailer trash to do those jobs. But of course the real reason you rant about the Mexican's is becaause you're racist asswipes, always have been and always will.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Shark Boy & Lava Girl, Spy Kids 3-D, Shorts, Grindhouse...

    by Dick Testicle

    When was the last time Rodriguez made a movie that people actually went to?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Lol Bum Love

    by DoctorWho?

    Not being nuanced enough to grasp someone responding with irony to your ironic comment sounds like a "you" problem.<p> And I find that ironic.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Unfortunate..

    by killbourne

    everyone is complaining about the new law in arizona...I havent heard one word about the farmer that got killed by illegals running drugs on his property..Its unfortunate that a few bad seeds have screwed everything up, but there has to be something done about the problem..and at this time, there was no solution being persued or presented...therefore, you get what has happened. Lets face it..it is a problem..and its costing both sides.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws (aka: guy who doesn't know what a casualty is)

    by HoboCode

    The VAST majority of Americans want healthcare reform and the ones that don't are too fucking brainwashed or ignorant to know better. If Obama's healthcare reform has been perceived to be wildly unpopular it is due to Faux News' lying and propaganda, and the fact that the bill didn't reform ENOUGH (i.e. a public option). doesn't mean Democrats are going to stop supporting Obama. You poor pathetic dying breed. I really do feel sorry for you.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I don't like Bush, but we did get 7 and a half years

    by Coughlins Laws

    of prosperity under Bush and unemployment was under 5% almost his entire term. Since Obama's been elected, unemployment has skyrocketed to 10% (17% if you count those who've given up looking), and he has spent more in two years than Bush did in 8 years. So, I don't see how you think the Bush years were worse than what's going on right now. As far as CreepyMan, way to have an adult conversation about a serious issue. If you're not mature enough to have a rational conversation with coherent thoughts, maybe you should stay out of political discussions. But like I said, I realize that you probably are just a spoiled college kid who doesn't work yet. Some day you will understand the realities of life. Until then, you're a child...

  • May 5, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Hey Killb, the Sherrifs are now saying an American killed him.

    by Ganymede3001

    Arizona rancher's killing not random? The Arizona Daily Star is quoting an unnamed source as saying that Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever is investigating someone in United States -- not in Mexico -- as a suspect in the murder of rancher Rob Krentz. The Star, quoting "high ranking government officials", also says the murder was not random. Krentz's murder has fueled outrage over our porous border and likely played a part in the passage of Senate Bill 1070. From day one, everyone has assumed that the murderer was a drug runner, in part because of a garbled radio call from Krentz that mentioned "illegal alien," in part because law enforcement said they tracked his killer's footprints 20 miles to the Mexican border. http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/80068

  • May 5, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Again, Hobocode, you're wrong. I feel sorry for you

    by Coughlins Laws

    You seem unable to break out of your cocoon and gather information from sources other than ultra-liberals who defend this President at all costs. You're just plain wrong. The Health Care Law was an obamination that the vast majority of those in this country were against because we understand that the government ALWAYS (IN EVERY SINGLE CASE) spends more than they promise. This Law will result in rationing, higher premiums, crippling debt, and doctor shortages. Congratulations, though, the President got it through anyway with his Chicago Thug Tactics and backroom deals, and bribes. You should be proud of your leader...

  • May 5, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    DeNiro, Lohan, Seagal!!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Jessica Alba finally admits she's Latina! Welcome mi hermana.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Do you have a job, Hobocode? Do you suck off the teat

    by Coughlins Laws

    of Canada? Are you proud of your Health Care Rationing up there and your months long waits for surgeries? Have you ever crossed the border for Health Care or used cheap, knock-off meds that an American company had to spend billions and billions developing?

  • May 5, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The best part of that trailer:

    by fiester

  • May 5, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    The best part of that trailer:

    by fiester

    "And introducing: Don Johnson" <p> That's fucking inspired right there! Heh.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by fiester

    Glenn Beck is calling you back to the bunker, sport. Hop to it!

  • May 5, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I know plenty of conservative Republicans...

    by D.Vader

    Who hire all the illegals so that they can save money. Its the American way, right? Whatever helps the business, right? All of you KNOW people just like this, whether you like to admit it or not. Restaurant owners, construction companies, lawn care, maintenance, panting companies- they all do it.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Well Creepy you hit the nail on the head.

    by DoctorWho?

    Once I waded through 3 yr old tantrum portion of your post.<p> You've got it...go after the businesses who hire them! You're dead right. The illegals are just good hard working people who want to take care of their family just like you and me. I don't blame them one bit for coming here illegally. I would too. In a heartbeat!<p> But wait, the sheriff of Arizona sweeps those businesses and they get fined big time. This practice is labeled fascist and racist. I imagine you would call it that too. So which is it Brainiac?<p> Continue to let Mexicans be exploited by asshole businesses and corporations as cheap, second class labor?<p> That's pretty much what you're advocating since anything else would be racist right? Looks like you've painted yourself into a corner between a choice of "slave labor" (your words) and racism(your loose an always applicable definition of it). <p> Hyperbole can be a real bitch eh?<p> I'd be curious to read your reasoned response but instead, I'll expect a tirade of insults and expletives in 3...2...1...

  • May 5, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    You're forgetting Coughlins Laws

    by Orionsangels

    Obama inherited of all Bush's problems. If Bush was in office right now. He'd be having the same problems as Obama. If not worse. Every president in history leaves his baggage behind for the next president. I also hate the ridiculous statement that when Bush was in office, we were better protected. Well yeah because for 6 years after 911 we were on extra high alert, but as time goes by we let our guard down once in a while.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Unemployment levels were rising under Bush...

    by D.Vader

    Until- holy shit- they hit their high when Obama was elected into office! <p> Crazy, but I guess we'll just blame Obama instead of the guy who was in office before he took the oath. <p> Come on Coughlins, you're smarter than that.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Racism is alive and well. It just better at hiding.

    by Orionsangels

    Like 90% of the Fox News staff.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Can't WAIT!

    by calloway98

    This looks amazing! I will be there on day ONE! I have posted this link, and am turning my friends on to this AWESOME trailer!BTW...Arizona is WAY off base with this new "law". It should be repealed.

  • May 5, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Exactly D.Vader!

    by Orionsangels

  • May 5, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Coughlin, stop getting your news from Rush

    by skimn

    Bush entered the White House with a 4% unemployment rate, and left with a 8.1% rate. Obama INHERITED the 8.1 % rate which now stands at 9.5%, after about 15 months in office. Now, by my math that means that unemployment DOUBLED under Bush, while Obama's only been in office for about 15 months to fix the mess, not 2 years like your faulty math states " he has spent more in two years than Bush did in 8 years." But why should I be surprised by a mouth breather like you.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Royston Lidge

    by Liberal_Warrior

    "It's also true that, when you share a border with an unstable, violence-prone nation, it's incumbent upon you to defend that border." <p> Ill bet the Canadians feel the same way.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The current Arizona law...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "...recognizes a driver's license from another state as proof that one is not "an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States," but only if that state "requires proof of legal residence in the United States before issuance." According to this fairly recent summary, about half a dozen states don't. So Latino drivers from, say, Michigan could be in for a real hassle if they happen to be pulled over in Arizona, even if they are native-born U.S. citizens. Considering that a perfectly legal visitor from Mexico was nabbed by Arpaio's deputies and detained for almost nine hours even though he presented several forms of ID, including a valid visa, Latinos from states that don't meet Arizona's criteria probably should carry a passport." -- Reason.com<P>Food for thought. And I don't know of one non-conservative person who is "for people breaking the law" when it comes to the topic of illegal immigrants. That's utter bullshit and a total distortion.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I can't remember...aren't you from the UK?

  • May 5, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    It's always fun when celebs give an unpopular opinion

    by terry1978

    The fanboys don't know which way to turn. "The shit looks cool, but it's going against my beliefs...my head asplode!"

  • May 5, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    You guys are such fucking NERDS!

    by the Green Gargantua

    I remember the glory days when the geeks dominated these boards. Oh well, you can go fuck yourself! I am so delighted that they made this movie.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    If you patronize a place that employs illegals and know it

    by terry1978

    We may as well throw your ass in the klink along with them.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    health care polls

    by antonphd

    it's hard to take anyone serious about the health care bill when they use the polls showing a majority don't like the health care bill... but don't bother to admit that a large portion of them wanted a public option or single payer... if you ask how many people approve of the bill or would like a public option or single payer then the polls flip the other way to a majority on the democrats side.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, Knowles.

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 5, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Fuck polls! Especially the ones Fox News reports!

    by Orionsangels

    Bullshit polls that just happen to favor Fox News agenda. Yeah what are the chances that every single Fox news poll is against Obama. Wow amazing! The stars align every time lol.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by DoctorWho?

    Nope, here in U.S.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    OK, cool. For some reason, I thought you were from the UK.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Obama complains about the Arizona law, but...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...he offers no solution for the millions of people who break into our country and deplete our social service resources. <p>It would be fantastic to have immigration laws in the United States that are similar to the harsh immigration laws in Mexico. Unfortunately, a third of Mexico's GDP comes directly from the United States. So, I don't think that they will be fixing it any time soon. </p> <p>Ironically, if US law resembled Mexico's laws -- the people would protest it as being "racist." </p> I don't care WHAT you look like (heck, I am African American), but if you are going to come into this country, USE THE FRONT DOOR! You have no "right" to complain about our laws if you aren't even a citizen of our nation and you have entered this nation illegally!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Stop complaining, antonphd...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...because you know that the rest of us will be paying for YOUR health care under the current messy legislation.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Machete is good, but its no Hobo With A Shotgun

    by _V_

    Rutger Hauer's Hobo With A Shotgun will redefine the American Crime Drama. "At least he's only killing the dirty cops!" "We're *ALL* dirty cops!"

  • May 5, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Fox News headline - Machete influencing Mexican violence

    by Orionsangels

    Film tells Mexicans to attack white people. lol.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    ARIZONA IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE

    by BringingSexyBack

    This trailer to me is just meh - except for Michelle Rodriguez who's the cat's meow. Nobody better profile her except moi. <P> As for Arizona. I feel for this state. I hear horror stories about the crime rate there. It's not fair that our fellow Americans in this state have to bear the burden of the illegal immigration problem. <P> I'm very much pro-immigration and frankly that means legal immigration. Millions upon millions of people have gone through the process of joining our country legally. And that's great. It's fair. That's how it should be. Prove your loyalty to America and desire to be a citizen, and let's roll out the welcome mat. <P> What we need to do is immediately close the borders, just wall them up but good and tight. Stop the influx. <P> Provide some measure of amnesty - for a window of time to all the illegals already here and register them - except for those who have criminal records. Not eligible. <P> Enact legislation that creates a special class of immigrants for them. Give them a road towards legal immigrant status. Tax them at slightly higher, flat (no deductibles, exemptions, etc.) rates so they immediately contribute to society with a guarantee of rights to stay and work, and a path towards citizenship. <P> I understand both sides on AZ's new law. Both have their points. But you have to admit it is not an easy problem to deal with and feathers will be ruffled. I don't condone racial profiling but frankly even many Hispanics who actually live in AZ and TX agree that something must be done. Forget what Shakira and George Lopez say. They're just talking out their asses.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    De Niro

    by PedroM

    Looks great, having fun. Michelle Rodriguez with an eye patch looks badass. And even Don Johnson looks cool. I´m in. Dont forget De Niro and Trejo worked together in Heat, motherfuckers.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    From the L.A. Times

    by DoctorWho?

    From the L.A. Times (I believe these stats would be much different if the border wasn't left WIDE open and good people could come out of the shadows.)<p> . 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.<p> 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.<p> 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.<p> 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by US taxpayers.<p> 5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.<p> 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.<p> 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.<p> 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal immigrants. 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish Speaking.<p> 10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).<p> (All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.<p> Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth results from immigration and over 90% in California, Florida , and New York . <p> 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.<p>

  • May 5, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    MEXICANTS

    by GoldenThrasher

    Ive worked in a warehouse full of mexicans for over 10 years and have to say any law being enforced to curb these people who want the opportunities we have and the financial help our poor have but dont want to be american officially or culturally is a good thing. For every mexican who wants to strive for legal status there are 10 who couldn't give a fuck, dont care about learning english, and hanging mexican flags in the back windows of their cars. If I moved to another country, especially illegally, I sure as fuck wouldn't put a american flag in my window like a big fuck you to the locals. That would make me a TWAT. Most of these people would be happy working and living here just like they did back in mexico, accepting welfare from americans trying to "help the unfortunates", but scoffing at them behind their backs. Ignoring the ACTUAL LAWS in place and labelling whites as racists. I am not racist but I do hate certain points some cultures bring with them. Mexicans are taught the man is always right and to serve the husband and not question the son. I see mexican men who dont work come and checkup on their women everyday to make sure theyre not fucking around on them, and on paydays they show up so their wife can hand them the check they earned. I have had mexican friends throughout the years and not one has contradicted any thoughts I have towards the other mexicans. One of my friends used to call the trashy mexicans beaners when he talked about them. He told me that there are mexicans and there are beaners. And its fucking true guys. I lived, and worked with these people for years and there are alot of them who fit into the beaner catagory. Who really honestly dont deserve to be here. When someone calls someone else a mexican as an offhanded insult, its not because mexican is a fuuny word. I applaud any attempt to clean up the widespread crime of illegal residence. Alot even deserve whatever help we can give to get them legal. But as far as im concerned when it comes to the "beaners", those motherfuckers can go back. Movie looks pretty awesome though. I agree that line about the border crossed us is pretty fucking stupid, but rest looks kick ass. Holy fuck Michelle Rodriguez is hot, fuck Jessica Alba.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I live in California...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and a recent study showed that 1/6 of the prison population is comprised of illegal immigrants. At a cost of $59,000 a year per inmate -- that is a heck of a lot of money! <p> Add to this the fact that the hospitals in California are going bankrupt between Obamacare and requirements to extend services to EVERYONE (including illegal immigrants), then you can understand the "common sense" sentiment that something must be done. </p> This state (and this nation) cannot afford to just let all of the illegal immigrants in (no matter their nationality) just to make certain ethnicities happy -- especially when, statistically speaking, those ethnic groups contribute the least to the tax income of this nation.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    BSB...every once in a while

    by DoctorWho?

    ...our opinions converge and we actually agree on something. It may happen with the regularity of Haley's comet...but it does happen. ;)<p> Cheers.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    so...firing all teachers who have accents and getting rid of all drivers ed. manuals that aren't in English is for illegals only? BULLSHIT!!! you absolute ignorant racist fucks. They should move everyone who thinks like that to Arizona, move the people who DON'T think like that out, and the turn the state into a goddamned crater

  • May 5, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Fifth of May is not Mexico's independence day

    by AsimovLives

    Fifth of May celebrates the mexican victory at the battle of Puebla.<br><br>The real Mexican Independence day is 16th Of Setember, which is called "Grito de Dolores" (translates somewhat as The Day Of Sorrows). that's the true independence day of Mexico. Fifth Of May is not even an official celebration (holiday) in Mexico.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    DOCWHO

    by BringingSexyBack

    Agreed. Nothing should ever be a clear left/right issue. God knows I'm a lefty. But this issue screams gray.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Liberal_Warrior

    That actually made some fukken sense. I'm fukken stunned. <p> chrism - you are still a dickless wonder.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Holy crap, everybody was in this.

    by orcus

    Lindsey must have needed cash for coke

  • May 5, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    My sister-in-law's car was stolen from college...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and the illegal immigrant who stole it said this in his defense, "If 'la negrita' (little female black girl) wanted to keep her car, she should have purchased an alarm." The car was never recovered, and our tax dollars are feeding and housing this scumbag before he is deported back to Mexico...where he will likely return and do it again.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Good luck finding the money to fund a border wall...

    by D.Vader

    And to pay for more people to patrol it.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Don't buy fruits and vegetables! If you do...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    ...then you are contributing to illegal immigration. Good luck with that. Jessica Alba is one fine Mexican.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Sorry, but my dick is the one thing that liberals haven't been able to steal from me. :-) <p>However, I am sure that intelligent responses still tend to leave you with a sense of "wonder." Then again, so does 2nd grade mathematics. </p> ;-)

  • May 5, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Doctorwho? thanks.

    by GoldenThrasher

    those stats ring true to the type of shit goes on in my community. stereotypes are only exaggerations of the truths of certain peoples and mexicans dont get a bad rap because were all racist, they get it from actions and lifestyles they live. Some people call me fat but I dont blame that on them. They shouldn't say it but I should also get my fat ass up and exercise more. Its called responsibility and alot lf these motherfuckers need to take some.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Cinco De Mayo=Yuppies drinking Corona's.

    by DoctorWho?

    In the U.S. at least<p> Like St. Patrick's day...a "holiday" for idiots.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT.

    by BringingSexyBack

    Even Lib Warrior agreed with me. Fukk me.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Cinco de Mayo is basically an excuse to party

    by terry1978

    That's the only reason this day gets any play here in the states.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Fa Fa Fooey...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...only 2% of Mexican immigrants have EVER picked fruits and vegetables from the fields (according to a study in the LA Times...as mentioned by DoctorWho? earlier). Yet 28% of illegal immigrants are mooching off of tax welfare system that is supposed to be provided ONLY to US citizens.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Chrism, my bad.You are dead armadillo fucking, wombat

    by Liberal_Warrior

    That means you must have a dick, wow, a wonder indeed.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    OH YEAH!

    by GoldenThrasher

    Im at home sitting on my ass, not getting paid cause of cinco fucking de mayo. I have to take a day of for a holiday which isnt mine. AND I LOVE FUCKING HOLIDAYS!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    LOL ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by DoctorWho?

    "...a sense of wonder"<p> I was thinking the same thing! Aren't we talking common sense here?<p> But hey, take the emotion and talking points away, inject some critical thinking and whoa... they're stunned.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    by DoctorWho?..

    by emeraldboy

    that is all true. that is why the migrant workers to come and do those jobs. what I find stupfying are the comments made by Trade Union leaders and the parties that support them. To give another example. A few years Before becoming leader of the uk, pm or soon to be ex pm, made an noxious statement, If I become PM I will make this pledge I will gaurantee british jobs for british workers" that comment was made at Trade Union Conference" and brown didnt know that the comment had been picked up. last year there was a demo at a totale refinery and the facist BNP were only to happy to remind the PM of that il-fated and stupid comment. But this was the same pm who called a fellow labour supporter a bigot=, for raising concerns on immigration. bnp are very and exploting tensions. So are liberals by the way. We have a gasbag called joe higgins who is a leader of the socialist party in ireland and is an mep. he hates captilism.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    this isn't "common sense" this is FLAT OUT FUCKING RACISM. They are rounding up ALL Hispanics and only keeping the illegal immigrants. They are FIRING TEACHERS WITH ACCENTS and REMOVING DRIVING TEXTBOOKS THAT ARE NOT IN ENGLISH. This is aimed at ALL HISPANICS because they will ALL suffer because of this.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by DoctorWho?

    I find that very interesting. Although I do pride myself on reading the international news, I don't dig into it that deeply, so it's cool to get your perspective.<p>

  • So should we just tear down the plaque on the Statue of Liberty and put up a "Stay the fuck out" sign?

  • May 5, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Its Kinko De Mayo! If you're LibWarrior I mean!

    by D.Vader

    Let's all kelebrate!

  • May 5, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Well said, BSB.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Good post.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    maybe

    by GoldenThrasher

    maybe some of them will be pushed to become an american citizen and we will all be better for it.

  • May 5, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    "Good luck finding the money to fund a border wall..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Speaking of which, whatever happened to those Minutemen guys? Are any of them still building fences and standing guard along the southern border? Considering all the recent militia activity in the USA, you'd think that some of those rowdy yahoos would be down there standing a post.<P>*snark*

  • May 5, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy and scorpio1979

    by DoctorWho?

    I hear they're casting for a remake of "Quest For Fire".<p> You guys may have a good shot at that.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Chrrisssm: Produce picks itself.

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Lettuce jumps off the ground and lands in the supermarket. Oranges fall off the tree and do the same. Grapes fly off the vineyard. Right. In the words of the fine woman you'll never fuck: You betcha.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho

    by scorpio1979

    Oh, what a clever little bigot you are. Please explain to me how this ISN'T racism. No fair going to Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck's website to wait for them to tell you what to think!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    the liberty plaque

    by GoldenThrasher

    was made long ago. And while I agree our morales should sway in that direction, there are overpopulated poor culturally segregated cities everywhere in america and I think more of a filter needs to be put in place to maybe weed out those who just want to sponge off those morales. W hen the plaque was written people had to learn english and bits of our culture too. They werent just funneled in and given benefits because america loves the poor. They were made to learn tools and skills to help them help themselves and america. Not just themselves.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is mexican?

    by AsimovLives

    DNA tests showed she is almost 90% european descent. How does that make her mexican in any way? She is probably even more european blooded then i am, and i was born in the continent.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    James4543, to answer your question

    by JeffWeimer

    <i>Are people that come here "illegally" law breakers? </i> Read carefully the question you asked - you will find the answer. Hint: look up the word "illegal".

  • May 5, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Wow -- people on here are actually against the Arizona Law?

    by TheFifthCylon

    fucking morons.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    "Please explain to me how this ISN'T racism"

    by DoctorWho?

    They're not rounding up LEGAL citizens and deporting them. Wouldn't they target ALL hispanics ...or is this "partial racism"? "50% racism"?? Your either a racist or you're not.<p> Win.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    About time Danny Trejo got his due.

    by Darth_Kaos

    I always liked him in his many supporting roles, but it's gonna be nice to see him in a lead, kicking all kinds of ass....even Segal's?<br><br> <i>Feliz Cinco De Mayo!</i>

  • May 5, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Nice snarky snark Mr Nice Gaius

    by D.Vader

    Yeah, what DID happen to those guys?

  • May 5, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by DoctorWho?

    Yes she is 90% European but 120% smokin, bombshell hot! So she gets a pass.<p> You have her DNA tests? That's just weird.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by ranma627

    I was not excited for this at all. I thought it was a very dumb idea. But it looks badass.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    You guys have GOT to remember...

    by D.Vader

    That originally, the new law said police have to ask for ID on anyone they suspect of being illegal. And those of you supporting the law KNOW that many of those who still support it now supported it then. You may say that the current law doesn't say that, sure there are protections now, etc etc... <p> But that doesn't mean there weren't a lot of people on here championing that law and now understanding the grave consequences of it.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    THEY ARE ROUNDING UP LEGAL CITIZENS WHO ARE HISPANIC!!! THEY JUST DON'T GET TO KEEP THEM. HOW DO YOU DEFEND FIRING TEACHERS WHO HAVE ACCENTS?!?!?! ARE THEY ALL ILLEGAL??!?! NO. THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY KEEP THEM ALL IN JAIL IF THEY COULD!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    So...

    by Tacoloft

    when will hollywood make a movie about a white guy going ape shit on a whole bunch of Mexicans? Oh that's right....NEVER! FUCK THIS FILM's MESSAGE! Racism is only ok when it is against the oppressive white man. They are called ILLEGALS for a reason stupid. Great marketing though -- make sure the government supported illegals pay tax dollars for this movie alright... not to mention the slave trade that is going on with illegals. Progressivism must die.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Boy that was confusing as fuck

    by D.Vader

    You'd think Harry wrote my last post. Apologies people. The "now" in the last sentence should be "not". And well... Ugh I don't feel like rewriting. Let's pretend this didn't happen and move along.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    good call docwho.

    by GoldenThrasher

    I fucking concur as all fuck. The racism label gets thrown around too much on any contradiction of any subject when the majority of one race is involved. This isnt a case of trying to shit on the mexicans but rather of a type of person in america that should be doing something differently. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

  • May 5, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Tacoloft, did you even watch the trailer?

    by D.Vader

    Or are you just an idiot? The movie isn't about a Mexican going apeshit on a bunch of white guys. Its about a Mexican getting double-crossed and getting revenge on the dude who set him up. Its your typical revenge story, good lord. <p> This movie has NOTHING to do with the Arizona law except for the opening "This is for you" bullshit. That's all it is. You guys freaking out and cursing Rodriguez and Trejo just look like a bunch of idiots.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    What? An Apple Laptop?

    by technoman

    Didn't anybody else think that the shot of a Macbook was very out of place? Isn't this supposed to play in the 70s?

  • May 5, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    making a law that someones race

    by slappy jones

    is reason to be suspicious they might be a criminal solely on their race is pretty much the definition of racist. but fuck all that Machete looks too good to be true. can it live up to how excited I am?? probably not but I can't wait to see it

  • May 5, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Tacoloft

    by BumLove

    If you want to watch a white guy killing Mexicans...watch the first 1/3 of Predator. But you're not going to see a whole lot of that in Predators. Guess who stars in it?

  • May 5, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssssmmmm

    by slappy jones

    please list all the freedoms liberals have stolen from you?? and then list all the marvellous liberties bestowed upon you by the freedom loving conservatives? I am curious to see what fox news have told you has been taken away.you fucking knob.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Also....

    by BumLove

    ...watch the last 1/3 of Commando.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    THE REAL QUESTION IS...

    by GoldenThrasher

    If you could get into a giant tortilla and do some hardcore meat and bean mixing with one of the feisty ladies in this movie who would it be? My hot sauce is on Michelle Rodriguez.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by DoctorWho?

    Sure I do. And I had concerns about that too. I'm glad they fixed because I feel much better about it.<p> However, even with those misgivings my attitude was: What in the hell do you expect!? Bush, McCain,Kennedy...all of Washington has dropped the ball on this clusterfuck and now *gasp* Someone took a stand? No shit.<p> People who don't live in the southwest don't realize that almost every night on the news there are stories of human trafficking, drop houses, torture,very,very organized drug trafficking and violence etc. It's a mess.<p> Now, get stopped for something...show your drivers license. We ALL have to. Inconvenienced? Fuck you.<p> A lot of good Mexican people suffer because of these things.<p> And while were at... crackdown (and I mean big time!) on corporations and businesses hiring illegals. <p> It will never happen. <p> My 2 cents.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    It's not that a law isn't needed, it's that this..

    by Jaka

    ...one sucks balls the way it's written. A lot of you need to read up on what is actually happening before commenting. This law, much like the Patriot Act, has the REAL possibility of creating precedents that will affect the way law enforcement is allowed to treat CITIZENS of this fine country. Get educated, damn it! Racial profiling and/or stereotyping is fucking evil and wrong. Always. Once again, I support immigration reform. I live in California and very much think it's needed with a quickness. But the bill in Arizona is all kinds of backasswardly evil. If you need any further proof of that, just look at how Texans are reacting. (Heh. Had to throw that in there.) <P>This movie looks WAY cooler than I was expecting. Really interested in checking it out now.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    by DoctorWho?..

    by emeraldboy

    joe higgins is only happy to parrot his line about Working people. I dont know who these working people. Joe doesnt like it when the media challenges this. he is one of the most humourless people i have ever heard. Both Uk and ireland in the same boat. both countries are goverend by unelected leaders. there are 166 td's. like the uk we have heard the electoral reform nonsense for years. We will have leaders debates in ireland at some stage. the memo went out to leaders and they all rejected the memo. Fianna fail have screwed the irish economy twice over 30 years. they deserve to booted out on thier assess. they will be. Uk and Ireland have more in common then people think.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Wacky casting really works here but.....

    by Seagalsburger

    Did Rodriguez really have to shit on his hat by having Machete go all political? The bill isn't racist as opposed to what Mexico does? HA! I'll be there opening night for this action buffet. Speaking of buffets, Seagal sure hasn't let up on them any, but it works for him as a villain. Alba is only good naked.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    excellent call slappy. If Republicans want to pretend that all of the cops in Arizona have radar that detects ONLY illegal immigrants and ALL illegal immigrants (not just hispanics). Then...whatever...but there is NO way to take removing any and all things of other languages out of Arizona as anything BUT racism.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    can't wait

    by disfigurehead

  • May 5, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Who is the audience for this?

    by RPLocke

    Looks like crap.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Scorpio and Slappy

    by DoctorWho?

    Here's something that may not have not been taught to you in grade school.<p> America is a melting pot. <p> Immigrants come here to assimilate. the best way to assimilate os to learn the national language. (In this case English). <p> Immigrants in countries who don't speak the language are willfully segregating themselves as second class citizens.<p> For the sake of immigrant children (their ability to be successful) and for the sake of the larger society, immersion in the language of the country, meaning English in America, is mandatory.<p> Ballots should not be printed in any language other than English. If one cannot understand English, one is probably not sufficiently knowledgeable to vote intelligently in an English-speaking country.<p> These are logical, and well-thought out reasons devised by people smarter than you. Your knee-jerk racism reflex is your issue.<p> No one is saying you can't speak Spanish, Chinese, Erdu or whatever. But dammit learn the language. <p> Or perhaps you prefer divided societies over unity?

  • May 5, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, Jessical Alba is half Mexican

    by flashman88

    Father is Mexican-American. Many Mexicans are of European descent obviously so DNA tests are gonna show that lol.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    "Now, get stopped for something...show your drivers license. We ALL have to. Inconvenienced? Fuck you." If that was what was happening that wouldn't be a problem with ME at all....it's just NOT. They are being stopped based solely on the "fact" that someone thinks they might be legal...and a driver's license isn't proof enough. Someone was arrested for failing to have his BIRTH CERTIFICATE on him!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I'm an alien

    by Anything But Tangerines

    truth

  • May 5, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    by Anything But Tangerines

    I crossed the border of your atmosphere, humans. watcha gonna do about that? yeah. that's what I thought

  • May 5, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho

    by scorpio1979

    I think they should learn English too. I just think they should have a right to drive a fucking car too. You also keep avoiding the other fact THEY ARE FIRING TEACHERS WHO HAVE ACCENTS

  • May 5, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Trejo kicks ass

    by entrafis666

    This is gonna be great!

  • May 5, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is from a planet known as...

    by Jaka

    ...Hot Girls 99.9999% Of Us Will Never Get. That's all that really matters.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Hope this is not like Once Upon A Time in Mexico

    by hiperaktiv

    A film that had greats hopes and aspirations, wanted to be epic...but didnt give enough time to explain the story for each character. Thus, fell flat on its ass and felt like a hurried mess.

  • May 5, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Jamie Gillis died?!?!

    by torpedoboy

    that shit is AWfUL!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by AsimovLives

    It's called research.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Oh THAAAAAT'S who Jamie Gillis is...was...

    by Jaka

    Yeah. That dude was not what the ladies would call a gentle lover.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    What's the point of border hopping?

    by AlfordHitchcoke

    Ain't these folks ever heard of cultural friggin relativism?

  • May 5, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    scorpio1979

    by DoctorWho?

    "Teachers who aren’t deemed fluent can’t be in classrooms where students are still learning English, meaning many veteran teachers are taking classes to improve their English—and if that doesn’t work, facing a move to a higher grade where English learners are fewer; about 12.5% of the state's public-school students are considered "English Language Learners."<p> Some of the pronunciation problems the Department of Education notes: violet is “biolet” and think is “tink.” <p> Yep, pure hate on display. It's clear that the lawmakers here just hate those damn, dirty brown skinned immigrants.<p> You know, if I moved to France and took French classes I would really not want to be taught by a teacher who spoke French with say...a Korean accent. <p> Does that really make me a racist?

  • May 5, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Did you guys go eat at Taco Bell afterwards Harry?

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    What did you make for dinner?

  • May 5, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    by Tacoloft

    by emeraldboy

    whats the name of that Micheal douglas film with barbata hershey and robert Duvall.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    If only...

    by jorson28

    ... the kind of BALLS recreated for a single movie were put into solving more of Mexico's economic and crime problems, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place. Even if that's a naive statement and the problems are just insurmountable, it STILL does not make it a moral imperative for the U.S. to play doormat. Whether it does or not, it seems America's supposed to respect other cultures and peoples' sovereignty, but not dare try to protect the integrity of its own. I don't have one ounce of respect for a president like Mexico's that seems to exert more energy into making sure his citizens can just escape their problems and move to the United States instead of actually stepping up and helping them solve their own. In any case, the whining about this new Arizona "law" is pathetic to begin with because, as many of its protesters have pointed out, most of it isn't even legal (i.e., the state can't give itself what are Federal enforcement rights) and what is only encourages the enforcement of existing law. And as far as racial profiling goes, particularly in law enforcement, nobody ever complains about the stereotypically white, male serial killer - even though there are an increasing number of serial killers that do NOT match that stereotype. Frankly, I don't have a problem with it, either - "if the shoe fits," I say, regardless of the race, even if it's my own - otherwise, law enforcement becomes unnecessarily difficult and crime prevention practically impossible. It's absurd to promote the recognition and tolerance of DIFFERENCES, cultural or otherwise, and to have sciences and disciplines that deal in social and racial demographics, anthropology, etc., yet not put that knowledge and those disciplines to the most obvious and constructive use to actually PROTECT what we're supposed to be respecting and appreciating. What's even more naive is to think that by trying not to profile, you're going to somehow reduce corruption and influence more tolerance. It's been tried, and clearly, the result has been the exact OPPOSITE. In the end, at worst, the law is unconstitutional and will probably never amount to anything - at the least, it's language without substance - in either case, it's a lightning rod that shouldn't even work and people, most of whom know this, are protesting it for the attention and because they have nothing better to do. Anyway, if you think I'm wrong, that I'm some ignorant racist, then by all means, proceed. All you're doing is keeping alive the underlying problems and solving absolutely NOTHING.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    6 million jews were exterminated in Nazi germany...

    by emeraldboy

    the ones who fled that tyranny turned up in North america and europe. were they given a group hug when they turned in North america and europe. they were treated as german and stripped of their culture and identity. yet nobody talks of this.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    the following is regarded by many as the best song ever written.

    by emeraldboy

    about modern ireland. or ireland ever. Chorus: Banana Republic Septic Isle Screaming in the Suffering sea It sounds like crying (crying, crying) Everywhere I go, oh yeah Everywhere I see The black and blue uniforms Police and priests And I wonder do you wonder While you're sleeping with your whore That sharing beds with history Is like a-licking running sores Forty shades of green yeah Sixty shades of red Heroes going cheap these days Price; a bullet in the head Banana Republic Septic Isle Suffer in the Screaming sea It sounds like dying (dying, dying) Everywhere I go, oh yeah Everywhere I see The black and blue uniforms Police and priests Take your hand and lead you Up a garden path Let me stand aside here And watch you pass Striking up a soldier's song I know that tune It begs too many questions And answers too Banana Republic Septic Isle Suffer in the Screaming sea It sounds like dying (dying, dying) Everywhere I go, oh yeah Everywhere I see The black and blue uniforms Police and priests The purple and the pinstripe Mutely shake their heads A silense shrieking volumes A violence worse than they condemn Stab you in the back yeah Laughing in your face Glad to see the place again It's a pity nothing's changed Banana Republic Septic Isle Suffer in the Screaming sea It sounds like dying Everywhere I go Everywhere I see The black and blue uniforms Police and priests

  • May 5, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    AZ 4 LIFE HOMES!

    by sgtcsgrove

    Can't wait to see this flick! Let's stop fucking around and secure the border, most of you are right not all illegals are murderers or drug dealers but all of them are here ILLEGALLY! Immigrants are always welcome, Illegal Immigrants are not!

  • May 5, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Jeff Fahey FTW

    by majorax

    I said it.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    "The Border Crossed Us"

    by PorkChopXpress

    Bullshit. Mexicans are a cross of Spaniards and American Indians, they get no racial claim to live in the United States as natives. I don't see any of them scrambling to take up residence in Spain illegally. Drive through Mexico sometime and see what great pride they take in upkeep and cleanliness. Then cruise through Van Nuys or North Hollywood and see the similarities. Yeah...that's what I want to see more of in this country, for sure. I LOVED living in North Hollywood and waking up to fucking pounding mariachi music every 8:00am, which all sounds exactly the fucking same through apartment walls... Forgive me for not having any sympathy whatsoever for illegal immigrants. The government has made it HARDER on people here legally and trying to get their green cards, visas and citizenship...while illegals coast by under the radar. The border didn't cross any of you. You don't get to claim reparations for events that took place hundreds of years ago.

  • May 5, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    how many white Canadians

    by samsquanch

    are being arrested in Arizona for walking down the street? Probably not many. <p> Anyone who says "this law isn't racist, they're called ILLEGAL for a reason", obviously lives in a fantasy world. There will inevitably be a racist component to how this law is carried out, because racism exists, simply put. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but this isn't the way to solve it. The popular defense of this law could just as easily be utilized to justify camps. "They're here ILLEGALLY, they don't have any rights. round 'em up!" This isn't alarmist or disproportionate. It's one small step away. <p> Beyond any specifics of this issue, concerning details of the law, or the particular races involved, the fact is that this isn't how things are done in America. If you claim to love America, you should hate this law. That is, if you actually understand what it means to be American.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    PorkChopXpress

    by flashman88

    If you read up on our country's history you would know that there were Mexicans living in California, Arizona, and Texas before the U.S. obtained the land from Mexico. So that's where this whole idea of "the border crossed us" stems from. Although my parents got here illegally, they're now citizens thanks to the 1986 amnesty and are proud Americans who abide by the laws and pay their taxes. I was born here and this is as much my country as it is anyone else's born here.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Hey samssquach

    by DoctorWho?

    Scroll up a little higher to the stats I posted from the L.A. Times and compare that to Canadian illegals (of which I know many).<p> If you can't figure out why this might be a problem than just forget it.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I see lot's a yellin' on both sides

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    In the left corner I see a lot of knee jerk cries of "RACISTS!" which is truly the lowest form of argument. On the right I see some well reasoned statistics, but then for everyone one of those I see some idiot like PorkChop spewing stuff about Mariachi music all sounding the same (THAT'S RACIST!) LOL. <P> It is worth noting that 61% of Americans polled think this law is either on the right track or doesn't go far enough. So whether the ivory tower liberals want to admit it or not, this country has a serious issue and problem on their hands, and neither Clinton, nor Bush, nor Obama have addressed this mounting insanity. <P>But meanwhile there are leaders like Anthony Villaregosa, the poon hunting mayor of LA, calling any and all who oppose full amnesty for all illegals, to be absolute racists. When the rhetoric starts to mount on both sides, it gets real hard for those reasonable to stand up and find a solution.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Machete looks fun. And Americans should stop being mean

    by CreasyBear

    by expecting people to obey the law. Laws are broken all the time! (I think this is even pointed out sagely in the trailer.) And doesn't it sound nice to just welcome all illegal aliens into the country and offer them education, access to healthcare, and all the other benefits of US citizens? Don't get so caught up in economic considerations and questions about how a few Mexicans who aren't paying taxes in the US are hurting the US. It sounds much nicer to just welcome them in, and the rest of us should just learn Spanish. Doesn't that sound nice? Forget money and numbers and statistics. Just think of what sounds nice.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit. Segal is in it too?

    by RowanM

    I'm there.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Sister Lindsay licking the gun's barrel

    by DarthBakpao

    should be made into a poster, just sayin'

  • May 5, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Are those in power in Mexico deeply humiliated

    by CreasyBear

    by the fact that literally MILLIONS of their citizens are risking their lives to escape their country? I hope the Mexican government has found a scapegoat (the US, somehow?) that allows them to sleep at night despite having a citizenry that constantly, desperately, relentlessly wants to escape Mexico for America. Maybe like a homely wretch of a woman struggling to maintain her dignity as her husband repeatedly cheats with the hot next door neighbor, and everyone in the neighborhood knows about it.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Reminds me of the old joke

    by skimn

    When surrounded by a hostile Indian tribe, Tonto looked at the Lone Ranger and said, "What do you mean, what do WE do now, paleface?"<p>Actually, nothing reminds me of that. I just like that old joke.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Thank you flashman88 —

    by blakindigo

    Unfortunately it will do nothing to illuminate someone who makes fuckstick accusations and idiotic rants. You have to remember that they aren't interested in history, and somehow believe the U.S.A. is an only an offshoot of Europe and that indigenous peoples are 'invading' their purity.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    ...and when all of the illegal immigrants are "taken care of". I'm sure you'll move on to the actual citizens because, everyone knows that birth certificates are faked all the time....Just look at Obama...he's black so he must be foreign....and with a name like that...you know...not a good old American name like Cletus or Billybob..he's gotta be one uh them thar freedom hatin' terrorists from Nigeria or sumthin...so yeah...since all of those documents are faked...You'll be wanting to round up all hispanics in short order you FUCKING HATEFUL BIGOTS

  • May 5, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Best. Trailer. Ever.

    by blunted666

    Even better than THANKSGIVING.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I live in a country where we dont give a shit

    by emeraldboy

    about the law. ireland. last week a major criminal was gunned down in dublin pub while having a pint. he was out on bail. this is a man who was inmplicated in 15 gangland murders. ireland is country where underage kids can get legal highs in headshops. and finally where arrogant pricks like sean fitzpatrick can run an entire economy into the ground. as this is a film site. no more bourne movies please. bourne ultimatum was dreadful.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    CreasyBear: The Mexican gov't actively encourages it.

    by Royston Lodge

    The Mexican government even publishes a pamphlet on how to cross the US border and remain undetected.<p> http://tinyurl.com/yzc7fqd

  • May 5, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Re: Immigration

    by blunted666

    Don't listen to any anti-immigration bullshit unless it comes from a native American (no, they are not called Indians...that was Columbus' bad.) Or, in the immortal words of Jack White, "Why don't you kick yourself out, you're an immigrant, too."

  • May 5, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Saying it again, the problem is not...

    by Jaka

    ...either side of the immigration law argument. The problem is the precedents this law will set for the future. Allowing the government to take away more of what little actual freedom we have remaining. Big brother is watching.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I PICK MY OWN VEGGIES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Really. We have 3 Topsy Turvy tomato plants and a really nice herb garden on the roof. Organic, no pesticides. Delicious and nutritious. Other stuff we get from Fairway.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Enough with the Great Beaner Debate

    by Rocco Curioso

    Good news: "Kick-Ass 2: Balls To The Wall" has been greenlit. That's all I care about on Cinco De Fucking Mayo.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by skimn

    I pick my own veggies also. They come in handy little cans, reasonably priced, and I can store them for almost ever!

  • May 5, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Who'd have thought that a silly exploitation movie

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    could inspire such fervent political debate?

  • May 5, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    SKIMN

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's cool, but if you gotta buy packaged veg try going for the frozen stuff. I hear they're more nutritious, better for ya.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Doctor WHo

    by samsquanch

    Never claimed it wasn't a problem. in fact, I did hint at illegal immigration being a problem when I wrote "I agree that illegal immigration is a problem." <p> I know it was a bit vague, but I was commenting on the racial aspect of what's going on. There are Mexican Canadians too, you know. I was talking about white Canadians passing for American in Arizona.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    So if a teacher in Arizona, is from the South

    by skimn

    can they be transferred or fired because they say "y'all" and "A'hm fixin ta"..?

  • May 5, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I'D SAY THAT'S MORE THAN A HINT SAMSQUANCH

    by BringingSexyBack

    LOL

  • May 5, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    HERE'S HOW YOU SOLVE THE RACIAL PROFILING PROBLEM

    by BringingSexyBack

    STOP EVERY MOTHERFUCKER AND CHECK THEIR PAPERS.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by samsquanch

    you got my little joke!

  • May 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by scorpio1979

    Oh no no no. They just can't sound like they're from another country see. They are perfectly allowed to sound like cousin fuckin' meth addicts.

  • May 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Not only are they going to steal your jobs

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    and leech off state welfare, they're also going to mutilate you with a multitude of sharp implements!<p>Arnold was right: close the fucking borders!

  • May 5, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Yawn

    by Kontarsky

    American geared shite; i'll pass

  • May 5, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    If you want to know what is actually in S. B. 1070...

    by HackerHaus

    ... you might want to start by reading this: http://hackerhaus.com/2010/04/30/sb1070/

  • May 5, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    wow .. i'd fkn see that ..

    by Beniffer

    I might just have to go see this ..

  • May 5, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    HackerHaus

    by DoctorWho?

    No facts here please. Just innuendo and hysteria thank you very much.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Some dumb ass comments on this talkback

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    It doesn't matter where your DNA came from poor folks will do anything to survive. It's not the fault of illegals coming into this country that Mexico is a corrupted state. There are Mexicans that want to stay in Mexico who want to make businesses and are industrious but can't do a damn thing because of the bureaucracy there. I don't particularly like people breaking the law but aren't companies or individuals that hire illegals not partly to blame? Shouldn't they be doing hard time too?

  • May 5, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    dont we all live on the same planet?

    by Captain RawBeard

    I am pretty sure we are all Earthlings

  • May 5, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    HackerHaus

    by scorpio1979

    http://tinyurl.com/2eax5xy read "According to the recently passed anti-immigration law SB 1070, a police officer may detain anyone of who he has “reasonable suspicion” of being an illegal alien"

  • May 5, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Steve Buscemi is a motherpluckin Alien!

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    They damn sure better deport his ass back to Rigel 12.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Our ancestors built this country....

    by BumLove

    ...and they had to kill a hell of a lot of natives, and use a hell of a lot of slaves to do so. Now that it's finally built, these freeloaders want to come in here and take what our enterprising forefathers created (with slaves)? It's unjust I tell you. <p> Maybe America should build a really big mote. No fence....build large waterways where the American borders were. And then only allow legal immigrants from various countries in, if, and only if, they speak English and have a skill or trade we can use. Otherwise...fuck the world. We will slowly branch out and occupy all lands that own raw materials and resources we need. The rest can be nuked. <p> Amirite? That's what America stands for....amirite?

  • May 5, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Go FUCK yourself TehCreepyThinMan

    by MrLongbaugh

    What does the South have anything to do with the AZ immigration law? You are the racist you dumb fuck!!! You hate people because they live in the South and you want to be so kind and generous to be people coming into the country illegally. What an idiot.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    I am seeing this movie

    by adomenic

  • May 5, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by MrLongbaugh

    There are plenty of liberal democrats who also employ and profit from the work of illegals.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    REPLY TO: "ILLEGALS"

    by AV

    SO YOU SAY: "Not everyone who comes here illegally is a drug dealer or a thug. But everyone who comes here illegally IS a criminal because they're breaking the law by doing so." Well, then everyone who speeds and drinks and drives and parks on handicap parking spaces, etc is also a criminal... you too are breaking the law... so everytime you go 1 mile above the speed limit label yourself as a criminal.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by bee152

    A lot of conservative hypocritical racist trolls posting today.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Two things:

    by zb.brox

    1: This looks fucking awesome. 2: The dumb fucks bitching about the liberal hate for Arizona's horseshit law need to realize something: We're not pissed because cops are being told they can detain illegal aliens. We're pissed because cops are being told they can detain ANYONE who doesn't produce their fucking papers. If a cop decides you're suspicious, it doesn't matter if every one of your fucking ancestors got here on the goddamn Mayflower, they can keep you in fucking jail until you get them a copy of your birth certificate. So take your bullshit "wah wah, we're beinz invadedz!" assclownery and shut the fuck up. If you don't get why having to show the cops you're fucking papers just to go about your day is horse-shit, we should deport your dumb ass because you are not a goddamn American.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I like

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Enough said.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by scorpio1979

    how does one give you an internet standing ovation sir?

  • May 5, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I think the AZ law is a great idea.

    by ebonic_plague

    I fully support the idea of a totally right-wing state. Let the scumbags enact all kinds of racist short-sighted laws, and just sit back and watch the place become a bankrupt nightmare shit-hole Klansman's wet-dream.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    scorpio1979 an zb.brox

    by DoctorWho?

    You guys should actually read the bill before you go quoting less than credible sources. <p> I just recently saw a network news station saying anyone can be stopped at any time. Why would you think the media would say that?.. when the actual bill amendment :<p> Changes “lawful contact” to “lawful stop, detention or arrest.” <p> Stipulates that a lawful stop, detention or arrest must be in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.<p> Stipulates that a reasonable attempt must be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of a person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the U.S.<p> It took me 5 seconds to look that up but some lazy, "unbiased" tv reporter bitch couldn't even do that.<p> I don't care if you don't agree. But don't lie.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    HEY

    by AUSTINDAZE1

    HOW DO I EMBED THIS VIDEO TO SHARE ON AUSTIndaze

  • May 5, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I think it is worth noting...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...that the sad decline of AICN into irrelevancy and the toilet-bowl spiral of the talkbacks into migraine inducing hatefulness and misinformed eruptions of lazy-minded bile is directly correlated to the general increase in contributions from scumbag dittohead talkbackers.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by samsquanch

    I want to shake your hand, and wash your mouth out with soap. Well done sir!

  • May 5, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    http://tinyurl.com/2eax5xy ...IS AN ACCOUNT OF AN ACTUAL PERSON WHO WAS STOPPED ON SUSPICION OF BEING ILLEGAL...NOTHING MORE..How the fuck hard is that to figure it out? Plus, anyone who has any brains at all can see that the whole "no racial profiling" thing is said with a wink.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Civil rights be damned!

    by Jaka

    Some of you are just plain uneducated or you're being purposefully difficult. Time to move to fucking Canada.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    well put zb.brox

    by detectivesoap

  • May 5, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hear, hear. Exhibit A: Father Coughlins Laws. He's like the new AnimalStructure and shit.

  • May 5, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    slappy jones...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I didn't say that liberals stole "freedoms" from me...although the increasing amount of government regulation of the private sector is making it begin to seem that way -- plus the fact that the town where I live just banned plastic bags, styrofoam, water bottles, and 75% of the grass in our yards. OF course, the increasing amount of money that is taken from my paycheck to pay for the services of people who don't work is disappointing too. <p>However, illegal immigration is a different matter altogether. We have a group of people who entered this nation ILLEGALLY. While a small portion came here to work (2%), most of them broke into this nation in order to take advantage of the services and welfare programs meant for US citizens and paid for by taxpayers like us. This drives up the cost of those services...and requires that our taxes go up to pay for them. In addition, a large portion of the criminal prison population is comprised of illegal immigrants (25+% in California alone). At an average of $55,000 per year per inmate, that is a lot of money from taxpayers.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Does racism exist in America?

    by samsquanch

    Does racism exist in Arizona? <p> Is racism a method by which a dominant culture oppresses a minority within its borders? <p> Whether or not there are cultural aspects and rights of both groups to be considered and respected, and real grievance by the dominant culture, and examples by which the minority group has exploited the liberal laws and taken advantage of loopholes and the like, Is racism still wrong? <p> Is it reasonable to assume that laws and lawmakers are fallible, and that it's the duty of the citizen to remain vigilant when it comes to protecting the rights of all? <p> If you've answered 'yes' to any or all of these questions, step right up! You're clearly a loony liberal moonbat, please collect your complimentary tinfoil hat on your way to the gate, your boarding pass for the flight to the communist country of your choice is waiting for you at the counter.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    It's a tight race for dumbest poster on AICN

    by DoctorWho?

    Judges are looking for:<p> Posts displaying the least factual data. (Points deducted for empirical data included by mistake or not effectively suppressed.)<p> Posts motivated by pure emotionalism. (Points deducted for any display of critical thinking)<p> Posts designed to highlight by inference, ones all inclusive compassion and empathy by labeling anyone who differs as racists. (Bonus points for effectively concealing their 'white guilt' and insecurity as the truly hateful fuckers who would never even have dinner with someone of Mexican descent)<p> Posts which never address specifics, explain, elaborate nor budge from a monolithic, black and white thinking process. (Bonus points for platitudes)<p> Ebonic...looks like you covered most of these in just the last couple of postings. Your on trajectory for the Gold medal! Stay tuned.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Dr Who's LA Times stats are a hoax

    by kingbozo

    "Despite our sound debunking last spring of ten "facts" on immigration sourced to The Times, the list still makes the occasional blog post and e-mail round" http: //opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2007/02/some_memes_neve.html

  • May 5, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by scorpio1979

    If you're THAT mad about the $55,000 average per inmate that tax payers pay, I'll assume that you've murdered THE ENTIRE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION (Bush and his flunkies)for the BILLIONS that these unnecessary wars have cost us....No? but you're also mad about healthcare?!?! So you're willing to pay for a war (hey we get to treat MORE brown people like crap...Hell, we even get to rape and murder them.), but you aren't willing to pay for sick children to get medical attention?

  • May 5, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    What about Illegal don't people understand?

    by Norm3

    This country is nuts!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    samsquanch

    by DoctorWho?

    Does racism exist in America?<p> Um...YES! <p> Why don't you tell me where racism DOESN'T exist. <p> Where there's people, there's ignorance. You can't separate the two any more than you can separate wetness from water.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Has anyone Read Mexicos immigration laws???

    by Norm3

    50 time harder than that AZ law. But no ones in the street there trying to help Guatamalans get away with it! Which is a reaonable law btw!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Well that's sad,kingbozo

    by DoctorWho?

    I hate the L.A. Times and thought at least they had some credibility left to them.<p> This is why news papers are dying. Who do you trust? <p> Did they high ball or low ball the stats. My guess? High ball. Hmmmmm and why would they skew those numbers I wonder.Hmmmm? Do me a favor and link me the debunking of the stats.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    The sad thing too, is that no one in this country realizes how hard it is to immigrate legally. It's incredibly expensive, and studies have shown that only a small fraction of people who were born an bred American could pass the tests.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I did post the link

    by kingbozo

    You talk about credibility yet post stuff debunked in 2006. Great job!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Sure, DocWho, have fun with that.

    by ebonic_plague

    MNG, if only there was a way to put certain TBer's on "ignore," these TB's might be worth the trouble, but lately, I'm realizing how much more enjoyable life is without wading into these cesspools. But I'll still wade in every now and then for old time's sake, and in TB's like this, to casually remind people like AnimalStructure of what horrible human beings they truly are. Anything else isn't worth the blood pressure, though. Witness DocWho up there. Why anyone would want to engage in that dead end conversation, I've stopped wondering.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    And so the solution scorpio...?

    by DoctorWho?

    Open borders right? <p> How about fixing the clusterfuck bureaucracy and streamline it to make it more effective.<p> Nah! <p> That would be bigoted.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    we should just go back to segregation

    by Bathman

    it's evident that humans that are different can't get along, so lets just seperate everybody like they did back in the good old 40's. maybe then some white baseball players would get a chance

  • May 5, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    kingbozo

    by scorpio1979

    DoctorWho? doesn't read the articles anyone posts. He just makes up how he has read them and how they are all "liberally biased"

  • May 5, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Norm3

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    People understand the word "illegal" just fine. It's the other word, "legal", and how it applies to certain folks that seems to be at issue. Unfortunately, some have gone out of their way to misrepresent that in order to make cheap political jabs.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by zb.brox

    Gee, pardon me if I'm not giving Arizona due credit for immediately backpedaling on their horeshit law by amending it so it's slightly less fucking insane.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    kingbozo just pwnd DoctorWho

    by BumLove

    That was classic. Looks like DoctorWho just won his own award for dumbest commenter in this talkback, LOL. <p> It fits under the category he created of "Posts displaying the least factual data."

  • May 5, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho? So basically, if someone gives you stats

    by blakindigo

    that you don't like, then you'll go with the 'facts' that have been proven wrong? Did you even read the article?

  • May 5, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    If they are so AMERICAN why aren't they citizens?

    by canvasseamonkey

    All my ancestors signed in at the island and learned the language out of COURTESY

  • May 5, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Petard meet the Hoist! Doctorwho "It's a tight race for dumbest

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    ...poster on AICN" <p>*snicker* *snicker* <p> Well played Kingbozo

  • May 5, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    I think making it easier to immigrate would be fantastic. I don't think open borders are the answer at all. I am very much against illegal immigration, but 1.)I understand why it's done 2.)I think pulling people over for having brown skin in Arizona is a COMPLETELY bullshit racist law. And before you tell me again what the law says...remember that "pulling people over for having brown skin in Arizona" is the REALITY of the law

  • May 5, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Deport DoctorWho? from the Tardis…

    by blakindigo

    He's got no papers…

  • May 5, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    He's got no brain either

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    And he can take everyone else who has been quoting his numbers with him

  • May 5, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    canvasseamonkey--

    by zb.brox

    --you realize that the Arizona law means cops can detain citizens until they produce their papers, too, right? You, yourself, if you get pulled over in Arizona a cop could decide you seem suspicious and ask for your papers. And if you don't have them on you, you're going to be detained until you can produce them. Hope you know where you birth certificate is, 'cause your ID doesn't cut it.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I find it amazing ebonic...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...that you simply cannot state you argument (any argument) with clarity, nor rely on the strength of your ideas. This is the problem with many far out leftys like you. You aren't used to arguing your ideas because you live in an echo chamber of people and media who only agree with you. <p> Diversity of thought is a wonderful thing ya know?<p>Sure... dismiss me with insults. I don't care if you you disagree. It bothers me not one whit. But state your case man. <p> If your argument is solid it will withstand scrutiny...even if I don't agree, I would respect it. My guess is it is a house of cards as usual.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Scorpio1979, you're wrong

    by Walterego

    The account you link to is just the blogosphere gossip mill, which alters stories from one link to the next. Read the original story in the legitimate news source (not fearmonger Rachel Maddow, who has clearly taken a page from Glenn Beck in scaring her viewers with hysterical comparisons of AZ to Nazis). In the original story the person was not stopped for being suspicion of being an illegal, it was a weight check truck stop. The officers who questioned and detained the guy were not from the AZ police, they were FEDERAL I.C.E. customs agents. Their policy of asking for a birth certificate (which I agree is over the line) is a policy they have had way before the AZ law, and the AZ law doesn't even take effect until a few months from now. The ban on racial profiling in the law is not a "wink" it is very explicit and will be enforced or else the state of AZ would be deluged with lawsuits from US citizens/residents. People who drive with their driver's license and/or speak english like you would if you're a legal resident, have got nothing to worry about.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Apparently, the Talkbacker known as "_Matheus_" has created a "Power Mod" (?) script or something that allows you to block Talkbackers from your browser. Folks have been using it fairly extensively over in the LOST threads (avoidance of spoilers, trolls, etc.).<P>Personally, I would never do that. As lowsy as this place has become, it's still AICN TALKBACK!!! I'd rather see everything/everyone and judge as I see fit. Besides, I'm gearing up for TB retirement anyway. What do I care. :^)<P>As for DoctorWho?, I've actually had some good conversations with him in the past. He appears to be way more sensible than AnimalPiperBalls or Father Coughlins. However, I've learned that EVERY Talkbacker is capable of escalating their presence and views in direct response to the subject at hand. And naturally, a politically-themed thread is ripe for this kind of fervor. I don't really seem to have the stomach for it like I used to in the past. It all gets to be so repetitive that...unless someone is really willing to listen...it's really just a waste of time.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Why is no one addressing the real problem?

    by Sailor Rip

    Why is there a mass exodus from Mexico? Conditions bad? Infrastruture sucks? Change begins at home. <p> Trejo seems to be admitting "Yeah my country sucks and were going to kill to get in yours." - Through his movie, I'm assuming that's not his rational, thought out opinion. <p> Mexico needs a stable government, incorruptable law enforcement, and citizens willing to make it a better place to live. <p> Seriously. Answer me this: Why don't Mexicans want to improve Mexico? You're just going to jump ship and say fuck it, we tried? Did you?

  • May 5, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I understand brox

    by canvasseamonkey

    I wish people would do things the right way first, this is the states way of stopping the flow of Mexicans inward. Scare tactics. it's mean,yes. but hey so is milking the states tax payer money to feed your kids.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho

    by scorpio1979

    You have misstated many "facts" about immigration. You, sir, are the one who has a "house of cards" argument. Showing made up facts (we call those LIES), and telling us what you think the law says...really shouldn't hold up much longer.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by zb.brox

    Most of us are perfectly capable of arguing our ideas clearly and with clarity. But when you're dealing with a bunch of jackoffs either so stupid or so racist that they would see this godawful law as anything other than a fetid piece of trash, why bother? Funny, but I don't see much hope of rationally convincing people who--when their bullshit statistics are pointed out to be bullshit--lose respect for the news organization that *didn't* print that bullshit.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    i meant "their kids"

    by canvasseamonkey

  • May 5, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Why did they take away the scratches?

    by scallenger

    I'm sort of dissapointed they took out the scratches that were part of the "fake trailer" in GRINDHOUSE. I was hoping they would keep that look, because it gives this kind of film a lot of personality. Granted, I still think this film will kick ass, but with the scratches it could've kicked EXTRA ass.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Not speaking for ebonic_plague, but DoctorWho?

    by blakindigo

    The burden of proof is on the accuser. You've given no substantiated evidence of your claims. The majority of your accusations have been disproven by reasonably credible sources. You have not done the same. Your arguments have not withstood scrutiny. Your offering uninformed opinions that come across as reactionary and are only based on spurious research.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Walterego

    by scorpio1979

    "People who drive with their driver's license and/or speak english like you would if you're a legal resident, have got nothing to worry about." You mean people who speak with an accent? And as for the lawsuits...I assure you they will be coming to AZ in WAVES!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    This is a talkback moment for the ages

    by BumLove

    We must full hold this in our view, take it in, savor it for a moment, and commit it to memory. In the midst of another heated political debate at this site, a talkback with racial overtones no less, one talkbacker in particular is quite obnoxiously posting comments and some statistics to back those comments up. He keeps referring to these statistics when criticizing the opinion of others, and notes their own lack of research or statistical facts. He carries on for a while and even compiles a list of criteria for a dumbest poster award for this talkback....and then wins that award!!! LOL <p> This is a moment to be savored. This goes down in AICN talkback annals.

  • May 5, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    BumLove's Book Deal

    by canvasseamonkey

    Goldmine!

  • May 5, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Seriously should get this one published

    by canvasseamonkey

  • May 5, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    The idea that right-wingers are all experts in research and us liberals just listen to who we believe is absolutely fucking absurd. Right wingers listen to Rush and Glen Beck as their thorough research on the subject and that's all they care to hear.

  • May 5, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Hate to break it you guys

    by DoctorWho?

    The L.A. Times printed that story and were totally debunked some months later.<p> Out of the 10, I only see 5 of which are debunked. What' up?<p> My guess the Times skewed (intentionally or not) the others as well.<p> Cool. I hope those numbers are much, much lower. Or are they higher?<p> Truth first. My opinion comes second.<p> You guys act as if I skewed the numbers myself. <p> I posted those numbers to show the fucked up consequences of illegal immigration. Does anyone care that Mexicans are being treated like second class citizens?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by scorpio1979

    "Does anyone care that Mexicans are being treated like second class citizens?" hahahahahahahahaha you yourself are fully supporting a law that is doing JUST THAT

  • May 5, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Mexicans aren't citizens actually

    by canvasseamonkey

    Not to be a douche

  • May 5, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    skimn (RE: Teachers from the South...)

    by MisterE

    skimn, I live in Alabama and took Spanish in high school. Our Spanish teacher was from super-deep redneck Sylacauga, AL, and she would say things like "Buenos dias, ya'll!"! It was funny and I failed that class.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Immigration

    by jsm1978

    I love how people who keep arguing for the ILLEGAL immigrants like to throw out lines such as "Well, you go pick fruit". Nice to know they are okay with exploiting people as an underpaid labor class. "Americans are too good for those jobs, but we'll put those Mexican's to work, by golly."

  • May 5, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    WHAT'S WITH THE INCEST?

    by UMAGA

    Isn't Alba supposed to be his daughter? Also do Mexicans bleed black? This shit looks retarded, perhaps not as retarded as Predators.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    SOMEONE GET ROBERT A TARDIS

    by UMAGA

    Then he can go back to the time period he so desperately wants to be apart of and leave us 2010 folk alone.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Bankrupt?

    by jsm1978

    The immigrations law is going to turn AZ into a conservative state and a "bankrupt nightmare"... oh, you mean unlike that liberal haven of California, right?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    The law doesn't differentiate between citizens...

    by Jaka

    ...and non-citizens. This is the point, damn it! It allows law enforcement to fuck with you because you don't look "right". Not because you've done something, or even because you look suspicious. Just a simple, "hey, he's brown, let's check him out". Or, "gee, that accent sounds Hispanic, lets check his papers." That's some Nazi bullshit! This is America people! We are free to not be fucked with in this manner. Gaaaah!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    I think the whole "they's takin jobs frum us real 'mericans" is bullshit anyway. Most of them take jobs that none of you, nor anyone you know, would touch with a ten foot pole.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Wron DrWho

    by kingbozo

    The Times DID NOT print those stats. You fell for an internet myth hook line and sinker. The numbers you posted are false.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    MisterE, that sounds like a Tex Avery cartoon.

    by blakindigo

    Geezus. Did you fail 'cause you made fun of her accent?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Lol Scorpio!!!

    by DoctorWho?

    As opposed to how they're being treated now? Get your head out.<p>

  • May 5, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    by scorpio1979

    "liberal haven of California, right?" Yeah California is a shithole... oh wait their governor is, get this, A REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    scorpio

    by jsm1978

    California was bankrupt and going down the crapper well before Arnie took over.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by scorpio1979

    You're right...they ARE being treated as second class citizens now, but I fail to see who rounding them up because they look like they might be illegal helps them AT ALL?!?!?

  • Cerebus hates logic.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I know, apologies...

    by Jaka

    ...my bad. (walks away mumbling to self, kicking rocks...)

  • May 5, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Hey, which is worse...

    by DoctorWho?

    Posting a link from the L.A. Times (which used to the clout of the N.Y. Times long ago) which turns out to have been debunked?<p> Or wildly blurting out how they're FIRING TEACHERS WITH ACCENTS?<p> Damn, at least I was reaching fo a credible source haha.<p> But hey, the humor is not lost on me. Truth first. Always.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by antonphd

    i pay for my own health insurance, thank you. i own a video game studio. i won't be taking a penny from you or anyone else. i celebrated the day the health care bill passed. see, i care about my neighbors. i believe in looking out for my neighbor in their time of need. that's the kind of society i want to live in. i don't expect it to be free, but helping people in need has never been free. but when i was taught the story of the good samaritan in sunday school... i took it to heart.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Can you solve the RIddler's riddles?

    by dcsmith

    give it a shot here: http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n

  • May 5, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    by DoctorWho?

    "...rounding them up because they look like they might be illegal"<p> Dude, you mean like the Japanese during WW2? Do you really expect that?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    jsm1978

    by scorpio1979

    True enough..except that they have had a REPUBLICAN governor since 1983

  • May 5, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Part of our problem in California...

    by Jaka

    ...is that we are actually three or four state smooshed into one. Northern CA, the greater Bay Area, Southern CA and the central valley are all very different places. Different in as many ways as you could imagine.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by scorpio1979

    no. I think they will arrest many legal Hispanic Americans based on race (Though possibly under the guise of a "routine traffic stop". Make them jump through ridiculous hoops to prove their citizenship (which no one who isn't Hispanic will EVER deal with) and then send them on their way after finally getting enough "proof" after several days with not even so much as an apology

  • May 5, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    i prefered the bald assassin in the original trailer

    by ominus

    than the generic brunette dude in this trailer.why RR could not get the same guy for the movie?<br /><p>anyway if there is a 3some with lohan,alba and rodriguez the movie will break Avatar's records.think about it mr RR.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    But who is "

    by Jaka

  • May 5, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    scorpio

    by jdb1972

    Ahnold is a RINO. Although he started off in the right direction, when the voters went all Greece and decided they'd rather go bankrupt than be responsible, he did what any unprincipled pol would do and turned left. Now he thinks his craphole of a state deserves a bailout. Let 'em fry.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:38 p.m. CST

    But who is "Hispanic"?

    by Jaka

    Do you believe any cop can tell the difference between somebody from Mexico and Spain? Or Mexico and Columbia? (I have many friends from there, they sound and look quite "Spanish"). How about a Brazilian speaking Portuguese, or even a tanned, dark haired Italian man? They can both sound very "Spanish". Siiiigh. I think I need to stop checking this talkback. lol Best part of all this is I'm watching the Spurs/Suns game. The Suns are wearing their Los Suns uniforms in solidarity with the Spanish people in their community. Their owner has been vocally against the bill. A protest and march is going on right now just up the street from the game. The only people pushing this thing are the INTERIM Governor and John freakin' McCain.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Arizona?

    by jdb1972

    Has it mostly right. I'd always thought the borders were the Feds' job, but if you read the Constitution, it doesn't say that. Though honestly, we should just pass a bill that's parity with Mexico's illegal immigration laws and be done with it.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    jdb1972

    by scorpio1979

    so since he's done a shitty job he's a RINO...awesome

  • May 5, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Hmm...

    by Nachokoolaid

    If I went to Europe or something, wouldn't I have to have paperwork or passports and such stating that I was from another country? And wouldn't I have to have those available to be checked? Yeah, thought so.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Scorp, Ive only known one cop in my life

    by DoctorWho?

    ...and from what he told me, any good cop is not going to waste his time with extra paper work and red tape unless they KNOW they're onto something.<p> It takes away from the calls which are priority.<p> Are you of the mindset that all or most cops are racist?

  • May 5, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Nachokoolaid

    by Jaka

    Yes, if you had done something illegal or suspicious. Not just because you looked a certain way. It's not at all the same thing.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Jaka

    Well then you should meet a whole lot more cops. Have you ever watched any of the plethora of reality tv shows about cops these days? Shit, one of them is even based in Arizona right now. There is no paperwork involved in a cop checking you out. None. Zero. That's why we have laws in America that protect citizens from being unlawfully harassed by them.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    ARIZONA: FROM THE WORDS ARID AND ZONA

    by BringingSexyBack

    Meaning dry zone.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Suns owner ...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...should have left the doors to the arena wide-open and let anyone who gets in to stay for the game.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know the story so far on...

    by moonlightdrive

    Sin City 2? There was talk of it a long time ago.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Sin City 2, what's the story so far???

    by moonlightdrive

  • May 5, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    But the game is a sell-out...

    by Jaka

    ...so that doesn't really work. And why should he do that, anyway? There's a very diverse group of paying customers there right now having a great time.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I'm impressed

    by garybuseys_incisors

    That there are people on this site who are actually open to discussion and are thinking things logically. Sure there are your typical right-wing and left-wing morons, but I'm glad to see people actually thinking this thing through.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah and

    by garybuseys_incisors

    Fuck the system. Vote 3rd party.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    No Jaka...

    by DoctorWho?

    I'm responding to the process of detaining people at the station for 7 hours while immigration checks their status.<p> They can pull you over for anything,anytime. That's nothing new.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Sin City 2

    by Jaka

    I was actually thinking about that in a round about way just recently. Wondering how badly The Spirit hurt the eventual box office returns on that movie, and if they might actually be waiting a bit to let that disaster get further from our minds. RR is making movies outside the studio system, but they still need the money to make it. The Spirit is not going to encourage "the money" to give them a bunch of cash to make another movie that looks the same way. I'd like to think Sin City, RR and Frank Miller have enough built in audience to rectify that situation, but I'm not sure they do. That's what I was thinking about...

  • May 5, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Jaka

    Ah, but you see, this IS something new. Because they actually CAN'T pull you over for anything at any time. By law they've got to have a "reason". They can fabricate that reason, but that is the way the laws are written. This bill allows that reason to be your skin color and/or accent. And it's not even about pull over - it's any time, any place.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller hate each other's guts

    by BumLove

    So Sin City 2 is in permanent limbo...unless these 2 can kiss and make up. I forget the details, but I think Miller assumed he knew more about filmmaking than he really did. Spirit proved he was wrong. Maybe if he loses some of the ego now they might kiss and make up.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Grindhouse made 25 million worldwide.

    by blackmantis

    Black Dynamite made 279,000 worldwide. I hope they aren't expecting to make much money with this, because it's clear there isn't much audience for these types of films beyond cinephiles.

  • May 5, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    the cops aren't the problem with the law

    by antonphd

    in my opinion. i think that the problem lies in allowing people to sue the police if they think they aren't going after illegals. that is where this law crosses over into racism. it's the people who don't like their neighbors and call the cops to check if they are illegals and then sue when the cops blow them off. and in typical racist style... they pay the cops so they are really just suing themselves. morons.

  • May 5, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    scorpio1979

    by Tacoloft

    What you don't get is that Republican and Democrat mean nothing anymore in politics. Arnie is NOT a Conservative - he is in fact proven to be a Progressive Liberal based on his Green agendas, his willingess to spend and dole out money to pet projects and special interest groups, and his wife is Kennedy. (nuff said) Now look at the state of Utah where the conservative politicians actually have been able to keep the state from going to crap - unlike Caleefornia. By the way - how's that skyrocketing tax (have to pay the interest groups) helping California's economy to grow?

  • May 5, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    DocWho, I don't care...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...to HAVE a debate with you on this topic, or any other "political" subject. There's no point to it. At least not online. Maybe if we were talking in person, having a beer, this would be worthwhile. But on an AICN talkback, it's pointless. I didn't address you, and I don't care to refute your argument. I'm just throwing in two pithy cents and going back to more fulfilling activities. <p> And MNG, I hear ya, I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for AICN and Harry and the gang, but as for regular Talkback participation, I'm pretty much over it. There are greener online pastures. It's nice to see the old names, I'll probably keep stopping by to check into what's going on, but as for locking horns and scoring TB points, I've happily got better things to concern myself with. Though it's fun to get a little taste now and again, and crack up at the infinite wit of the collective geek mind. Old habits and all that.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Sure it's a sell out...

    by DoctorWho?

    Like America. There's lots of diverse people here too having a great time.<p> But what about the less fortunate who could not get tickets?<p> Sure, the vendors would be overrun and they will raise the hot dog prices because of the increased demand. Yes, some people would have to sit on cold, concrete steps whole others get comfy cushioned seats. And yes, those people will resent those with the cushy seats and there may be confrontations and security will have to be more visible etc.<p> Isn't this kinda what he's advocating?

  • May 5, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Debating it is pointless

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    When will you ignorant naive Americans learn that you have no power anymore. The longer you stay in denial that Obama is our puppet fascist dictator the better it is for us. We want the illigal thug criminals who cant speak english and listen to shitty music to infect your country. the more illegals the faster we can destroy America. They will vote for our puppet dictators because we give them foodstamps and wellfare for sitting around drinking budweiser fucking and creating millions of more mexicans. who will all vote for our foodstamp puppedents. Death to America, up with the New World Order. Better start learning spanish, slaves.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    BumLove, oh shit...

    by Jaka

    ...I hadn't heard that. Most unfortunate. But, ya know, The Spirit probably hurt a lot of peoples feelings. lol

  • May 5, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    WWW.INFOWARS.COM

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • May 5, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Any system can be broken, overtaken and rebuilt

    by Jaka

    Aaaaaaand.... I'm out! Nice chattin' folks. Peace.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    They're illegals not undocumented.

    by I_Sharted

    It's like saying mentally challenged when you mean retarded or differently abled instead of disabled. Either way my solution is to build a fucking wall and end this shit once and for all. Then we don't have to argue about it anymore and it will create jobs!

  • May 5, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    IF ALL COPS LOOKED LIKE CHRIS EVANS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'd gladly be pulled over, frisked, worked over, you name it. But they don't, and that's the story of my life.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Cool. Now I can save $8.50

    by OutsideChance

    I don't need to fork over cash to Robert R and his liberal b.s.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    It's all good ebonic

    by DoctorWho?

    And I'll gladly buy the first round.<p> And believe me, I empathize with the weariness of it all sometimes. Today, I had the time and inclination to jump into the pit. But damn it can be exausting!

  • May 5, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    And I'm not a conservative I just think

    by I_Sharted

    political correctness is for pussies who are afraid to call shit what it is because someone might cry.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    HO!!! Seagal's in this!?!?!

    by CodeName

    Wow!

  • May 5, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Jaka they fixed that a few days ago

    by DoctorWho?

    Now it's only applicable during lawful stops. Take that for what it is.<p> I wasn't really on board until that was fixed.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Oh and I also support deporting illegals.

    by I_Sharted

    If you don't follow the rules there are consequences. I'm sorry that your country is a shit hole but don't come here and make a shit hole out of ours too. To all the legal immigrants I welcome you and your culture.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, Machete, I got some words for you

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Suck my dick! (Or "chupa mi pinga" for the retard in ya!)

  • May 5, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_PUS

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    unless you are leaving the planet, nothing you say matters. everyone will receive TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Arizona enforcement of FEDERAL law

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah, can't have that. Like counterfeiting - that's a federal crime. Hey, wait, there's a state law, too. But isn't the currency a Constitutionally mandated function of the federal government? Oh, right, it is. Guess Arizona needs to stop enforcing counterfeiting. So, if you get some funny money call the Secret Service 'cause Arizona wouldn't want to overstep its bounds.<p>And kidnapping, that's a federal crime, right? Yeah, matter of fact, it is. So, guess what Juan, Miguel, Lupe, and Consuela - the next time poor little Pedro y Alejandro are being held by "coyotes" for some money for smuggling their law-breaking ass into the country, don't you dare fucking call the LOCALS 'cause that's none of their goddamned business. Just get on the ol' horn to the FBI and I'm sure that they'll have somebody over to help you out REAL soon. Yeah, about 370 kidnappings a year in Phoenix (OF illegals BY illegals), but I'm positive that the FBI is chomping at the bit to take that off the hands of the locals who have "no business enforcing federal law."

  • May 5, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    And

    by The Bicycle Sharer

  • May 5, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Cheers, Doc!

    by ebonic_plague

    Even if you might be a dittohead, you're definitely not one of the scumbags. And in a hive of scum and villainy like this, that is always appreciated.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Jaka....actually I just checked....

    by BumLove

    ...and Rodriguez had been talking about directing Sin City 2 again this year....so it may be on again. The word about the two of them fighting and not wanting to work together was back before The Spirit came out. Guess things changed since then.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    by kingbozo

    Kidnapping isn't a federal crime until you cross state lines. But hey, why let inconsequential things like details and facts get in the way of a good tirade?

  • May 5, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I mean, look at WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_ETC...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...who the fuck would want to have a beer with THAT guy? This place is about as lucid a forum for serious discussion as public transportation sometimes.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    PAPERS PLEASE?!?!?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Fucking please! I have to show MY papers every time I'm pulled over - it's called a fucking drivers' license and half these motherfuckers DON'T have 'em.<p>Ohs noes, them there illegals is gonna have to shows a valid driver's license?!?!?! Racism!!!!<p>See, what most don't understand about the Arizona law is that, prior to its implementation, some city and counties in Arizona did one thing and others did something else. Some cities were "sanctuary cities" (Mesa, Chandler, Phoenix) and some weren't. Some LEOs (law enforcement officers) asked for identification then contacted ICE for verification (Maricopa County) and some didn't.<p>WHAAAAAAT?!?!?! Asking and verifying?!?!?!? Why that's racist and discriminatory and racial profiling?!?!?!<p>Well, guess what - your federal government, ICE, and their ACCESS program disagree. They train local LEOs in how to properly and without discrimination check suspects for citizenship.<p>Now, I know it may come as a big fucking shock to some on the left, but their *IS* a common sense, legal, and non-discriminatory way to do this stuff.<p>Assume for a moment there's been a car accident and the cops show up at the scene. They ask for identification. One person provides a valid state-issued driver's license and proof of insurance. The other guy:<p>1) Doesn't have a license.<p>2) Doesn't have insurance.<p>3) Speaks poor English.<p>4) Can't provide a valid social security number.<p>5) Can't tell you where in the U.S. he was born.<p>If all these things occur (as they do to California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Texas cops every day)...<p>YOU MIGHT BE AN ILLEGAL!!!<p>So, what happens then? Oh, a complete travesty! A real discriminatory thing. You're held until you can prove who you are.<p>Now I know that may seem crazy and draconian to some of you, but I myself once left my driver's license at home when traveling out of state. (Actually, left it at the boarding gate for the airlines.) When I was pulled over while driving and couldn't produce my drivers license... I WAS HELD UNTIL MY D.L. COULD BE VERIFIED!!!!<p>And, finally, I find it pretty fucking strange that the side, group, and party which insists that we ALL produce our INSURANCE "papers" is suddenly against producing documentation. Hey, I know! When I file my taxes in a few years and am asked for proof of insurance, I'll scream RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, NAZI, NAZI, NAZI!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I am in favor...

    by GOB Adama

    Of treating criminals as criminals with a proper dose of "punishment fit the crime" mixed in... And make no mistake, illegal immigrants are criminals... But what concerns me is how overzealous enforcment by well-meaning officers (not to mention the abusive 1 in a 1000 fuckheads) leading to brown-skinned Americans... and in Arizona brown skin and American citizenship can go back generations... having to prove who the are.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    The I spit on Your Grave remake has a trailer

    by BumLove

    And it looks pretty awful...your typical MTV-style horror film remake. They are churning these out like a factory: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_W_ZX4b20M

  • May 5, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Put troops at the border and BUILD A DAMN WALL!!!

    by Thanos0145

    NO AMNESTY!!!It was done in 1986 and only made the problem worse. Get back in line if you want to become a U.S. citizen. Cutting people who are poor and waiting in line isn't right.

  • May 5, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by GOB Adama

    Comparing the requirement for "papers" to a driver's liscense is silly and short-sighted. A DL (and car insurance, for the most part) specifically relates to the operation of a vehicle and while it is not easy to do so, it is not required to get by as an American.<p>Also, be careful bringing up the language issue. There are folks from New Jersey to Arkansas who have more trouble with English than some immagrants. :)

  • May 5, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I'M ALL FOR DEPORTING FAISAL SHAHZAD

    by BringingSexyBack

    IN PIECES!!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    If the lack of an edit button...

    by GOB Adama

    Gets me deported due to mangled grammar and sentence structure. I'm blaming Harry! :)

  • May 5, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Just to correct some of the misinformation...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>...about the new AZ legislation...</p> <p>I am not weighing in one way or the other, but there are definitely a lot of people on here who have no real idea what the bill says</p> <p>Here it is, first off...</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/22sb2jx</p> <p>1. All this talk about "probable cause" is moot. The issues with this bill have to do with section 2, sub-section b, which starts on page 1, line 20. "Probable cause" is not mentioned, because that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about "reasonable suspicion", which is a step below probable cause on the legal scale, and is absolutely not the same thing. Look them up.</p> <p>2.When a police officer has reasonable suspicion that an individual is engaged in illegal activity (which in this case would be being in this country illegally), he DOES have a right to approach, temporarily detain, question and search the individual in question. This is called a "Terry stop", after the SCOTUS case Terry v. Ohio. So we are not talking about asking someone for an ID during the course of a traffic stop. Reasonable suspicion absolutely gives the police a right to question and search you, so the issue with this bill is, what creates reasonable suspicion that an individual is in this country illegally? It is not defined.</p> <p>3.Race, nationality, etc., absolutely CAN be a factor in determining whether or not there is reasonable suspicion that someone is here illegally. Lines 30-34 explicitly state that police "may not solely consider race, color or national origin". "Solely" is the key. It does not say "may not consider race, etc., at all"...it says that cannot be the sole reason. As long as the officer in question observes something else that also arouses suspicion, he/she absolutely can factor in race, etc. According to the language in the bill itself, that simply cannot be the sole cause for reasonable suspicion. Again, the other things that law enforcement might be looking for are not defined. Most reasonable people--Republicans and Democrats--who have issues with this bill simply want to know what police are going to be looking for, because they want to make sure that American citizens of Latin descent are not going to be subject to unnecessary Terry stops simply because they "look" like they might be illegal immigrants. I for one, would like to know what other factors the police will be taking into consideration when trying to determine whether or not there is reasonable suspicion.</p>

  • May 5, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Cast looks amazing

    by kesoze4

    Movie looks like it'll be as dull, "tongue-in-cheek" and soulless as Sin City. You know how a movie can pay homage to old movies you remember fondly? By not being crap.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're such a mindless tool like so many libs

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    You and your hipster ilk sicken me. You people are akin to Nazis with your propaganda and your hatred of free speech. Go die.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    A guy with the acronym for "Shut The Fuck UP" as his name...

    by BumLove

    ...wants people who hate free speech to go and die. It's irony overload.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    (500) DAYS OF MACHETE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Machete: "So ... ju married mang?" <P> Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?" <P> *Cut to Summer's head flying through the air*

  • May 5, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    WE NEED A TWO-STATE SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM

    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 5, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Um, GeneralJackCosmo, just to correct YOU

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I, too, have read the bill and it's admirable that you've done so. However, maybe you did that at the expense of paying attention to the news.<p>1) In 11-1051(B) The phrase “lawful contact” has been changed to “lawful stop, detention or arrest” and it added that said “stop, detention, or arrest” must be “in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.”<p>2) See 1) - "“stop, detention, or arrest” must be “in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.” That negates your reasonable suspicion of being in the country illegally. By the way, a "Terry stop" has a pretty long legal precedent establishing under what circumstances one may be stopped and asked to produce identification and "reasonable suspicion" was the court's criteria then and subsequent cases have upheld it and extended it (Hilbel).<p>3) Again, it's great you read the bill, but you should watch the news. The word "solely" was struck from the bill on Friday (and signed by Brewer). The passage now reads "may not consider race, color or national origin," solely is gone. So, if solely was the key, then the whole thing is now "unlocked."<p>And, since you asked "what other factors the police will be taking into consideration when trying to determine whether or not there is reasonable suspicion," let me say it again - no driver's license or identification, no insurance, no social security number, can't provide a place of birth, speaking with an accent, in the car with seventeen other people who ALSO can't provide any documents or information.<p>Look, this "reasonable suspicion" is not exactly the bugaboo that one might think. "Reasonable suspicion" has been used in our courts since always and forever. It's an integral part of our judicial system and just 'cause some people find the concept of a "reasonable man" to be mysterious and perplexing doesn't mean that it is.<p>If "reasonable suspicion" can be used in a "Terry stop" on me, then it can sure be used on anyone else, right? Including an illegal and a non-illegal. And, guess what - when you're LEGAL you produce your driver's license and, presto, all is done.<p>Out of curiosity myself (seriously), who are these mysterious citizens driving around and committing OTHER crimes (speeding, broken tail light, running a stop sign, etc. - remember: the law amended now 'cause they must be committing some OTHER crime) without identification who can't prove who they are and who are horribly offended that they have to do what any of the rest of us have to do EVERY SINGLE TIME WE'RE STOPPED?

  • May 5, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform, this site is not for you.

    by Lenny Nero

    Keep on coming with the blanket statement against all liberals, even though you may have no idea what I truly believe.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and by the way...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Joe Arpaio in Maricopa Arizona has been doing EXACTLY what this law says for about two years. He pulls over for ANOTHER crime then asks for i.d. If they can't produce identification or somehow establish their identity, he takes 'em in until they can. See, if they're citizens of these here good ol' United States of America, they can produce i.d. or documentation or their i.d. can be confirmed pretty quickly with a couple of checks. But, if they can't, he turns 'em over to ICE, the federal government, the immigration enforcement agency, and it's all in Uncle Sam's hands.<p>Now the big bad 'Bama's Justice Department someone feels that this is unfair or something, so Eric Holder (Attorney General) has been investigating Arpaio's practices for over a year now for illegality or civil rights violations and guess what --- nothing, zip, zilch, nada! They can't find anything wrong or any violations to charge Arpaio with.<p>This bill (AZ1070) essentially makes law for ALL of Arizona what Arpaio's been doing for years in Maricopa County without any civil rights violations or the Fed being able to drum up squat.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Sierra, it isn't liberals who try to censor rap and heavy metal.

    by ganymede3010

    It's the inbred bible belt conservatives whom you support.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I can say this:

    by Lenny Nero

    Until last August, I lived in California my entire life. And nowhere, at no point, was my life or job or anyone's life or job that I've known been threatened by some brown people. As a matter of fact, they have done nothing but contribute to what little of the state is left. Every single anti-Mexican stance I've seen has been based in sheer misinformation. It's ridiculous, and I don't think anybody should be able to comment until they've experienced it. They are not taking our jobs, they are not taking our freedoms, and hey, if Arizona wants to continue with their "this illegal immigrant murdered this here family," they need to bring up another dozen cases where crimes were committed by legal, tax-paying American (and yes, white) citizens. And I've spent some time in Arizona, and it's messsssssed up.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    LOL! BSB, a two-state solution

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Unfortunately, they've already got their own (failed) state. They just refuse to stay in it.<p>Mexico is the kid you put in time out who keeps leaving the corner.<p>Diego, what are you doing?!?! Get back in the corner! I *just* put you there!<p>Si, Senor.<p>Five minutes later, Diego is right back.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    But I'm open to a good Arizona.

    by Lenny Nero

    Seriously, I want to see what people like about it. But I've been there cumulatively for five months, and I've had a shitload of problems there. Care to direct me toward some equality?

  • May 5, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Machete in 3D

    by LuisMuadib

    We need it in 3D now!!!

  • May 5, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>You're right, I have not seen any news stories covering any amendments that were attached to the bill other than the changes in the house version I linked to. I am on a number of deadlines, and with the exception of wasting time on sites like this, have done nothing but work and sleep for the last several days. So you do, in fact, have my number on that one. Do you by any chance have a link to said "final version"? Not doubting you, just curious to read it as I was not aware of those additional changes.</p> <p>As for reasonable suspicion, I am fully aware that it is not something that was made up for this law. Unlike probable cause, the legal concept of reasonable suspicion is something that is fairly nebulous and is really designed to work as the result of a well-trained law enforcement professional's instincts and level-headed judgment in the field. Of course any one of us can be subject to a lawful Terry stop assuming the police have reasonable suspicion that we are engaged in illegal activity; again, the question I had was exactly what arouses reasonable suspicion with regard to immigration status?</p> <p>Now assuming that all those changes you refer to are accurate (and I will), then it is no longer a question of Terry stops because of reasonable suspicion with regard to immigration status, because as you point out, the amendments make it clear that said “stop, detention, or arrest” must be “in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.” So I stand corrected because it looks like the Terry stop issue--which was really my big issue--is actually what is moot.</p> <p>Finally, if the amended passage does indeed read "may not consider race, color or national origin", then that is all I wanted in the first place, and that's all good by me.</p> <p>It looks like all my issues with the bill have been resolved: that doesn't change the fact that said issues were 100% legit, but if the language I took issue with has been changed, I am ok with it now.</p> <p>For the record, I am certainly not pro-illegal immigration. But I am also not pro-American citizens being unjustly harassed, which is what the original senate and house versions of this bill would undoubtedly resulted in.</p> <p>Now, I would like to see legislation, on a federal level, that takes a much more hard-line approach in terms of penalizing the people who employ illegals...I would like to see possible jail time for said employers...because I think the easiest way to keep people from entering this country illegally looking for work is to make sure they won't be able to find any when they get here.</p>

  • May 5, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    RE: SCRATCHES

    by Riff_Randell

    I'm not one for adrenaline-infused, CGI-laden borefests, so I rarely if ever look forward to new films. But I loved Planet Terror, and IMO the scratches made the movie so much fun and interesting in my eyes, and it took me back to those grindhouse films I saw growing up when my crazy grandpa took me to see as a little girl. That said, I wouldn't want Rodriguez repating himself look-wise with this movie, cause that would be boring. Last movie I went to see in a theatre was incidentally, the GH double-feature. Looks like it will be Rodriguez putting my ass again on that same seat with Machete.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Illegals

    by Riff_Randell

    Never mind that this country was founded by immigrants. “Give me your tired, your hungry, your poor, I'll piss on them. That's what the statue of bigotry says.” -Lou Reed.

  • May 5, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Lenny, you're right (sort of)

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I love Mexicans. Seriously. I love Mexican culture (social not political). I love talking Spanish to 'em. I love shopping in Mexican markets, and listening to Mexican music when I'm in the mood.<p>(Seriously, one of my all-time favorite songs is "Estupido Romantico" by Mazz. In my top fifty, I think. Actually, listening to it again right now. Video's on Youtube.)<p>I think Latina chicks are effin' hot as hell and I loves my Mexican brothers!<p>Matter of fact and seriously, I used to joke all the time with Mexicans out here that "yo soy un gringo de la cintura arriba, un negro de la cintura abajo, pero un Mexicano en mi corazon!" (I'm a gringo from the waist up, a negro from the waist down, but a Mexican in my heart!) They cracked up over that shit.<p>Heck, I even kinda like the Mexican "bangers." I find that shit fascinating and the movie "American Me" is bad ass.<p>For real, dude, I'll even occasionally throw on the Mexican channels out here and watch the telenovelas (HOT chicks and over-the-top storylines and acting) or the news or talk shows or (late night) those crazy Mexican movies with all the shooting and the chicks running around in lingerie and crap. Those movies are AWESOME! The homeliest, chunkiest, mustachioed actor in the bunch is usually the hero and kicks all kind of ass before he gets the girl.<p>Yes, I love Mexicans, but law-breaking is law-breaking. I don't care what the excuse is or the explanation or the sympathy or the what-the-fuck-ever. You broke the law and took the place of THOUSANDS and MILLIONS who are waiting THEIR place in line.<p>I'm not "anti-Mexican," but I am anti-illegal alien.<p>I live in California, too (though not my entire life). Here's one of MY illegal stories (true story):<p>After we'd been out here two or three years, my wife woke up one morning to go to work or school (I can't remember which) and I was still at home playing on the computer.<p>Suddenly, the door burst open and she rushed back into our apartment.<p>"Where did I park my car last night," she said. I told her and we both walked out to where the car had been. The car was gone.<p>We called the police and the insurance and went on about our way, waiting for the settlement on our car.<p>One month later, just as insurance was about to settle (literally, they'd called us to come pick up the check the next day), my wife got a call at her office (dental assistant by now). The caller said that he was with L.A. County Sheriff's Department, Auto Theft, and that her car had been found and was at an towing yard and that we could come claim the vehicle.<p>My wife called the insurance company and, the next day, we went out to see the car. We thought that we'd get the vehicle back and MAYBE have to do some repairs - windows, locks, ignition, that sort of thing.<p>Instead, we were surprised to find the car STRIPPED! And, when I say STRIPPED, I mean EVERYTHING. I could stick my head through the car's window and look from the rear tail lights to the dash; everything was gone - seats, carpeting, dash, console, EVE-RY-FUCKING-THING!<p>The car now had Mexican license plates and was littered in the back with Mexican soda bottles and snack food wrappers. Also, some empty Mexican medicine bottles.<p>Huh, I thought. So, I'm thinking maybe a MEXICAN stole my car?<p>And it stank like bleach. Lots and lots of bleach.<p>And, weirdly, there was a car battery sitting in the floor of the vehicle where the passenger seat had been. It was attached to two cables that ran from the terminal out the passenger window and under the hood.<p>I asked the tow yard guy what the fuck was going on. He told us that they thought the thieves were trying to blow up the car when they ditched it.<p>"They?" I asked.<p>"Yeah, they," he said.<p>Seems that that not only did the cops and the tow guy respond to the found car, but the Fire Department as well. They really thought that the battery was part of a bomb.<p>Then the tow guy asked us if we saw the message inside.<p>Message?<p>He told us to stick our heads back in the car while he flipped down the passenger and driver's sun visors. Written across them, in red Magic marker and Spanish, was the following:<p>¡Precaución! ¡No entre! ¡Cuarentena! ¡Virus peligroso!<p>Translation for the low-life-piece-of-shit impaired: "Caution! Do not enter! Quarantine! Dangerous virus!"<p>WHAT... THE... FUCK!<p>We had no clue what was going on and neither did the tow guy, but we left and called the insurance company and told 'em to come look at the car themselves, that it was pretty much totaled and we thought we'd soon have our money.<p>Au contraire, mon ami!<p>The next day, at work again, my wife get's ANOTHER phone call. This time from the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, Homicide Division. My wife thought it was a joke, but the detective told her that he was serious - the insurance company couldn't have the car 'cause it was the scene of a homicide and being impounded.<p>He revealed that the car had been stolen by three illegal alien drug dealers who'd used the car to run drugs back and forth across the border (California border, this time). Two of the guys had a falling out with a third. They'd driven out to the desert, the odd-man-out in the passenger seat. When they got out where nobody was around, the guy in the back seat had claimed that he needed to piss. So he got out, pissed, walked back up to the passenger side and shot his unfortunate companion through the passenger window. Multiple, multiple times. Very, very dead.<p>Unfortunately, what these Mensa (Mencia?) candidates didn't count on was that bullets don't always stop in the person you're shooting. One of the bullets went right through the "dead man riding" and into the driver!<p>They dumped the dead Juan Doe-Dee-Doe into the desert and drove the injured guy to a hospital. The shooter then dropped his companion off and went to get rid of the car.<p>In fact, the car had been stripped and sprayed with bleach to get rid of evidence. The cables HAD been hooked up to the car's engine in the vain hope that it would burn. The Magic marker message was also in the vain hope that, when the car was found, authorities would hose the car down, further obliterating any evidence inside.<p>All this was related to the cops by the gunshot illegal alien in the hospital.<p>The fugitive shooter was quickly caught and we had to go down to the LAPD evidence impound to review the car with the LA deputy to identify what was ours and what wasn't. A pretty easy job as all the stuff left (Mexican sodas, wrappers, meds, etc.) was theirs.<p>While chatting with the deputy and learning that story, he told us that at least EIGHTY PERCENT of his work involved illegal aliens in some way - perpetrators, victims, witnesses.<p>So that's one of my illegal stories. You've lived out here all your life and you've got nothing like that? Wow. Lucky guy.<p>Am I saying all Mexicans are like the drug-running asses that stole that car? Absolutely not.<p>What I am saying is that you can't run a country with porous borders, fueling murders, kidnappings, and drug-running BOTH WAYS, and expect that everything is gonna work itself out just fine.

  • May 6, 2010, midnight CST

    Riff_Randell, thanks. Been looking for that Lou Reed quote…

    by blakindigo

  • May 6, 2010, midnight CST

    "MACHETE"- most controversial film ever on AICN

    by Mike_D

    and it shows

  • May 6, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Are we really going to argue about who was here first?

    by SunTzu77

    Are we really going to throw out the "who was here first?" Card? If that's the case then it was the Aussies. <br> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/975468/posts <br> http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/4017 <br> The "who was here first" card is just as fallacious as the "race" card in an argument.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Wow, General, us being reasonable? ;-)

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Try this for the amendment stuff:<p>http://tiny.cc/8cm35<p>And:<p>http://tiny.cc/cnx85<p>When they (legislative bodies) amend laws, they don't reproduce the entire text of the law; they just say "the word 'solely' shall be struck from yada yada yada" and "the words 'legal contact' shall be struck from yada yada yada and replaced with blah blah blah."<p>And I understand the busy and stuff and I'm glad that you, like me, at least read the bill. So many are getting so heated up and they haven't even read it (or the amendments) nor do they know that "i.d. check" goes on all the time and it's been going on in Arizona and now it's just codified.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Another good link...

    by SunTzu77

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/430944.stm <br> "The first Americans were descended from Australian aborigines, according to evidence in a new BBC documentary."

  • May 6, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Has anyone even read the bill?

    by Dirt410

    http://tinyurl.com/y2r38qc - READ THE ACTUAL BILL Law enforcement can't just accuse someone of being illegal, they have to have reasonable suspicion and on top of that need to have already stopped them for another unrelated crime. And even when they think that person is illegal, they have to clear it first with the Federal government. And don't bring up the race issue because honestly, it's never been about that. The fact that a lot illegals come from Mexico is just testament to how shitty the Mexican government is; AND MEXICO HAS TOUGHER IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAN WE DO!! And whoever says that illegals 'contribute' to our country, are fucking retarded becaus the fact that they're undocumented means that they aren't obligated to pay taxes, which every LEGAL citizen of the country has to. So when you go work an eight hour job five to seven days a week (eight if you're a beatle) and get your paycheck with a % taken out in taxes, that goes to to govt which uses it for whatever they (should) need, and when they're done 'borrowing' it they give it back (or at least a percentage anyway). But illegal immigrants (for the most part) don't pay into taxes, and thusly become a black-hole in which our money isn't fully accounted for. That's part of th reason why California is in the shitter right now.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Hey, Riff, that's a cute quote and all

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    But nobody I know is against LEGAL immigrants. As I said, I love Mexicans. What I'm against is ILLEGAL immigrants. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?<p>See, you may not be aware but a guy named "Fast Faisal" Shithead/Shahzad, a naturalized citizen who went through the whole LEGAL immigration process, just tried to set off a bomb in Times Square.<p>Personally, if we can't catch the ones who use LEGAL channels to come here, I sure as shit don't want to even consider the ILLEGAL opportunities.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    TBS

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>I actually just did a little search of my own and turned up AZ HB 2162, which is the bill that contains the amendments you are referring to (and obviously what you linked to, as well). So I do indeed stand corrected.</p> <p>As for being reasonable...you know, politics is important stuff...it does have a lot to do with our daily lives...and it makes it a lot easier to express concerns when:</p> <P>1. They are reasonable and legitimate.</P> <P>2. You do not express them by screaming, generalizing, resorting to hyperbolic straw man arguments, etc.</P> <P>3. I do realize this is AICN, so let me just close by saying THOR'S SUIT IS MADE OF FUCKING RUBBER?! FUCK THAT MOVIE!!! DIE HOLLYWOOD ASSHOLES!! DIE!!!</P>

  • May 6, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Ohhhh...there are many reasons why CA is in the shitter...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...that has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Live here for 25 years and you'll figure it out.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    LOL! GJC

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I hear ya!

  • May 6, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Lenny, if you're talking to me...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I never said that illegal immigrants were the cause of Cali being "in the shitter." In fact, I never said we were. (Though, we are.)<p>I've lived out here ten years now and, I don't know, this place is a fucking circus, crazy and fun and scary and cool all at the same time. I can't tell that much has changed in a decade, but I'm sure that you, as someone who's been here twenty-five years, have seen a lot of changes.<p>Hopefully, California will still be around for me in fifteen more years! ;-)

  • May 6, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Actually... Dr. Who's stats come from...

    by SunTzu77

    "Immigration and the Alien Gang Epidemic: Problems and Solutions Testimony of Heather Mac Donald, Senior Fellow, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims" <br> http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald04-13-05.htm <br> So, the stats aren't false. They're just not credited properly.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by SunTzu77

    Liberals don't try and censor rap and metal? Are you serious? Were you even alive during the Tipper Gore / Parents Music Resource Center witch trials? Both sides were involved.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    wow. lame

    by SkeletonParty

    this bites.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Here ya go...

    by SunTzu77

    Tipper Gore and the Tipper Sticker <br> http://crm114.com/algore/tipper.html

  • May 6, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Props SunTzu!

    by DoctorWho?

    And fuck the L.A. Times. It's not like it was Wikipedia or something. Go figure.<p> I remember when that P.M.R.C. stuff hit the fan in the 80's and my man Zappa and others took it straight to Congress. Dee Snider, John Denver...it was quite an uproar. YouTube Frank Zappa on the old CNN show Crossfire (that was a great show and they should really bring that format back)...talking about censorship and the P.M.R.C. Great stuff!

  • May 6, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin dropped by my house...

    by DickBallsworth

    ...and I throat fucked that bitch into oblivion. You betcha, guys and gals!

  • May 6, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    While I disagree with most right-wing idiots...

    by TedSallis

    They're correct on the immigration issue (which is really a labor law issue in disguise). The idea that this gets taken out on the individuals rather than the BUSINESS OWNERS who hire them is the real crime. I still want to see Machete though.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Lenny Nero, sorry -- you're wrong about California

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Speaking as a transplanted New Yorker who moved to California 16 years ago...which is more than enough time to witness this state going downhill firsthand...I would agree that trying to blame ALL of California's woes on illegals is stupid. On the other hand, they obviously have a MAJOR detrimental impact on the state considering that a fiscal study conducted about a year ago, which was reported in the LA TIMES among other outlets, showed that roughly 25 cents of EVERY California tax dollar was spent on -- yes, you guessed it -- costs directly created by illegals (school, hospital, social services, etc) that the LEGAL residents of California have to pick up the tab on.<p>It's bad enough that the fucks in Sacramento can't balance a budget, but it would certainly be a bit easier when you realize a full fucking QUARTER of the state budget is money being laid out for people that are here ILLEGALLY.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:29 a.m. CST

    What's happened to Conservatives?

    by JaimeFoxx

    They all seem like some sort of weird cult now. Have they always been like that?

  • May 6, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    And Bicycle Sharer!

    by JaimeFoxx

    No one would insinuate that you hate Mexicans or any other race, dude. You loved the Thor pic... clearly nothing can offend you :P

  • May 6, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Glen Beck is the new coservative leader...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Think about it: From William F. Buckley to Glen Beck. Wow. Just...wow.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Jeff Fahey!!!!

    by theoyboy

    I'm more excited about Jeff Fahey being in this than anyone else. Dude needs to be in more movies. Seriously. And damn it was hard seeing him go out the way he did on LOST.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    ya and Glen Beck is a phony

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    as soon as the Republicans gain power again they'll be doing the exact same shit Beck is complaining about. well by the time that happens the USA will have probably collapsed by then because all the illigal mexicans sucked the taxes dry for food stamps and hospital bills for the millions of mexican babies

  • May 6, 2010, 3:40 a.m. CST

    JaimeFoxx - there's a power vacuum on the right...

    by JuanSanchez

    And the crazies on the fringe are attracting people pissed with the regular, non-crazy conservatives.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST

    And again - what does "the border crossed us?" mean?

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 6, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST

    pure. fuckin.awesome

    by kidkombo

    @juansanchez: yeh, that was the lamest part of the trailer, alba is a cringeworthy actress. but grindhouse/exploitation is definitely back! and not just in american cinema, ive noticed especially japanese cinema producing a whole slew of "gore-sploitation" flicks in the last few years. australia too has had a few great ones. are we entering another golden age of great trash cinema??!!

  • May 6, 2010, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Juan Sanchez

    by BumLove

    I think he may be using the word cross to mean angry, in which case you could read it as, "We didn't anger the border, the border angered us."

  • May 6, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Jeez...

    by Rumpypumpy

    It's a movie...it was made before the law passed...it happens to deal with illegals. Would anyone care about this if Arizona wasn't in the news right now? As for the 'Message to Arizona' at the start of the trailer...it worked...got everyone chattering like upset schoolgirls... Leave your politics at the door. If you don't want to see it don't see it.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:11 a.m. CST

    pure fuckin shit

    by theDannerDaliel

    this looks crap. it looks like a spot-fest with nothing holding the story together. AICN will prob give it a great review.... What a load of shit.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    All Political Bullshit Aside.....

    by VIZITORQ

    This movie is going to kick all sorts of ass. Im there first showing.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    the border moved us? wtf is that shit`?

    by theDannerDaliel

    Fat Steven did this instead of the expendables?

  • May 6, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    THE SOLUTION IS BODY-EMBEDDED CITIZEN CHIPS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Like EZ-Pass, but for peoples.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Mistake to inject politics into the ads

    by brobdingnag

    For every person you gain, you lose someone like me. I was actually excited to see this, now I won't.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    That's okay brobdingnag, I've talked to a bunch of folks—

    by blakindigo

    — who now want to see this. Some were 'ify' but now are gung-ho. And, I was down from jump, because of Danny Trejo.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:48 a.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by brobdingnag

    Really, since this ad came out yesterday you polled a bunch of folks who were iffy on it but because the ad injects politics are now solid locks to go see the film? Yeah, that sounds real.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    all exploition flicks are garbage.

    by alienindisguise

    They are a complete waste of time and film. Because movies like machete are aimed at the idiots of society, it will be applauded and not condemned for being racist trash.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    The trailer looked better when it was about a fake movie

    by AsimovLives

    This traile,r however, doesn't inspire much confidence. I fear this movie will be one of those where the idea and concept is much better then the execution. Bascially, like every movie in Robert Rodriguez's carrer.<br><br>They should had made SHE-WOLF OF THE THIRD REICH instead. Nicholas Cage as Fun Manchu!!!!

  • May 6, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    NICHOLAS CAGE AS FU MANCHU

    by AsimovLives

    Best casting ever!

  • May 6, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    MACHETE >>> PREDATORS >>> THE EXPENDABLES

    by Nerd Rage

    The Expendables is going to suck. Just you wait.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    BIG BROTHER FTW!!!

    by Nerd Rage

    It's funny that all these smaller government advocates now support required ID on your person at all times. Actually it's more sad than funny.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I think you're right, Nerd Rage

    by BumLove

    Just comparing the action in Machete vs. Expendables trailers...this looks far superior.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Anyone remember Idiocracy?

    by Nerd Rage

    Where everyone had their ID's tatooed to their wrist? Welcome to Arizona, Not Sure.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    So Hot...

    by BeyondStatic

    It's Cool!

  • May 6, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I STAND BY MY MEXICAN BROTHERS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Unless we get pulled over. Then I don't know you from Adam.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Director91

    by bah

    Three, actually. Fahey, Rodriguez, and don't forget Cheech.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Some people would gladly live in a police state

    by Nerd Rage

    if it means less brown people.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    really badly shot...looks cheap as hell

    by Waka_Flocka

    and not in a retro way. looks like days of our lives in some scenes

  • May 6, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    It's really quite simple

    by RogueWarrior65

    If illegal people want amnesty for committing a federal felony (yes, it is), then I want to rob one bank and be given amnesty. Just one.

  • May 6, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    My only problem with the movie

    by Cobb05

    I can't wait to see it, but the trailer in Grindhouse, made it look more like an aged film with the scratches and all. This looks like a straight to dvd movie filmed on a VHS camera. So they could've done more with the look of the movie. But it looks pretty fun. Can't wait to see it.

  • May 6, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    All Leftists are Enemies of the United States

    by Kentuckian

    Whether leftists call themselves "progressives," "liberals," "communists," "socialists," "National Socialists," or any other moniker, their ideology is aggressively anti-American. Thomas Jefferson said this about leftists: "These men have no right to office. If a [leftist] be in office, anywhere, and it be known to the President, the oath he has taken to support the Constitution imperiously requires the instantaneous dismissing of such officer; and I hold the President criminal if he permitted such to remain."

  • May 6, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Spoof of Malcolm X

    by 24200124

    Do I need to point out that the "the border crossed us" bit was a riff on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X", where Denzel Washington said "We didn't land on Plymouth Rock - Plymouth Rock landed on us"?

  • May 6, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, and @Kentuckian...

    by 24200124

    Your [leftist] was originally "monarchist". A leftist at least believes in a majority rule democracy. A monarchist was a crown loyalist. How does this translate? Please explain.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Just for kicks, let's turn that around 180 degrees:<P>All Right-Wingers are Enemies of the United States<P>Why? Well, since fascist-conservatives don't believe in progress, they are more than willing to continue living in a world of shit.<P>Gives me a chuckle.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Message to Arizonas

    by HoboCode

    Just move up here with us white and black people. Let the Mexicans have Arizona and New Mexico. IT'S A FUCKING DESERT!

  • May 6, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Arizonans

    by HoboCode

    excuse me

  • May 6, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    @24200124, translation

    by Kentuckian

    The spectrum from left to right was and is related to the amount of central government control. Totalitarianism on the extreme left, anarchy on the extreme right. Closer to the center, "monarchists" were on the left favoring strong central government. Jefferson and the other founders of America were on the right, favoring greater individual liberty.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    @Gaius

    by Kentuckian

    Your gainsay post makes no sense. The right in America seek to preserve and defend liberty, which leads to a better world. The left seek to fundamentally change what made America great, via strong central government rule which leads to less individual freedom. Right = liberty; Left = tyranny.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, it makes perfect sense. Give it a moment and think about it.<P>Quote: "The left seek to fundamentally change what made America great, via strong central government rule which leads to less individual freedom. Right = liberty; Left = tyranny."<P>Once again, we see a gross distortion of the US political scale as only an AICN Talkbacker can provide. Ponderous.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Are people actually using @'s now on AICN???

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Fucking twitter twats.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    The solution is not too deport the illegals..

    by jarjarmessiah

    For one, there are too many of them. For every one illegal deported, there are 10 to take his place. We need to attack what motivates illegal immigration. These would be 2 things: Too many unethical businesses hiring illegals, and the fact the Mexico is a practically a third world country. There needs to be more enforcemnt and harsher penalties to those that hire illegals ( or undocumenteds, whatever). As for Mexico I say divert our forces in Iraq and send them to mexico. At least the soldiers can fly home for the weekend. But we also have to be realistic, most illegals are doing jobs nobody wants to do anyways. America's foundation was built the upon the bodies of immigrants toiling in horrible conditons for little or no pay.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Hrm.

    by Terrmaster

    I'm seeing a whole lot of "waaah" in this talkback. Shut the fuck up. We're getting Machete.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by samsquanch

    your posts reek of loony Beckian word-soup propaganda. I'm amazed you can spell, actually, most of your Tea Party brethren seem to have trouble with that. Also, calling a liberal (progressive, whatever) an enemy of the state is something your conservative grandpa would be ashamed of. America is big enough, complicated enough, and beautiful enough to be more than one thing at the same time. Not everyone that disagrees with you is an enemy, you uptight nerd.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Kentuckian--

    by zb.brox

    No, he didn't. You gullible schmuck.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    now watch-

    by samsquanch

    I'll get labeled some narrow definition of leftist according to my post to Kentuckian; my politics will be explained, my mental faculties will be questioned, my moral and ethical standing will be criticized, possibly the fact of my manhood impunged...

  • May 6, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Oh, and another thing--

    by zb.brox

    Anarchists are almost universally considered extreme leftists, you tool. Your one-dimensional description of the left/right divide is inadequate and out-dated, failing to recognize that the fact that social and economic political ideologies work on different spectra. While a broad description of political "left" and "right" is possible on as little as two dimensions, your single axis of totalitarianism vs. anarchy is *totally fucking stupid*.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    and btw

    by samsquanch

    anyone who is so deeply entrenched in the contemporary definition of what 'right' and 'left' means right now, as of the last few years, claiming Jefferson as their own clearly doesn't understand that politics is an organic creature, evolving and changing over time. It's like when people are really surprised to find out that Lincoln was a Republican. "but, but, he freed the slaves!" Yes dear, a Republican wasn't the same thing back then as it is now. Jefferson would have been appalled at the fringe right of the conservative movement today, and you know it.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    zb. brox

    by samsquanch

    once again, well said.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Leftists Hate America

    by Kentuckian

    Let's allow you anti-American leftists to obfuscate the political spectrum to avoid the obvious truth about yourselves for a moment, and focus on this fact: Leftists hate America. Oh, but you say, "I love America." And you also want to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE America away from its foundational core. Try this, if you have any person in your life whom you love: tell that person you love them, and that you want to fundamentally change them. Then prepare to get slapped, deservedly so.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I got pulled over and asked for ID in Arizona...

    by zinc_chameleon

    back in November 2005. And I'm a white guy from Canada, driving a car with Canadian plates. Good thing I always carry full ID (license, registration, passport, paid-up credit cards) when I'm in Amerika. We United Empire Loyalists are just going to have to go down there and clear up these border issues...

  • May 6, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Colonial Williamsberg is OURS YOU YANKEE SCUM!!!!

    by Royston Lodge

    Colonial Williamsberg was confiscated from United Empire Loyalists who were forces to flee to Canada. Well, the CHICKENS ARE COMIN' HOME TO ROOST Y'ALL!!! CANUCK POWER!!!!!!<p> ;-)

  • May 6, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by D.Vader

    The guy who will continue to spout off nonsense without really responding to your post.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Guess what Kentuckian...

    by D.Vader

    The right can equal tyranny too!

  • May 6, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    A message for Arizona? That is badass.

    by xdiamondxdanx

    The promotional end of Machete certainly isn't pulling any punches. I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of filmmakers like this.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    hey kentuckian!

    by rasALclart

    i just invented a flying car! fancy a ride?

  • May 6, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    AS AN IMMIGRANT.....

    by J-Dizzle

    ...I'd like to say that I'm in favor of the Arizona law. If that means I have to carry around my papers, then so be it. Its no different from me carrying my driver's license.<p> "You want my papers officer? Here you go..... Yes officer, I am of Persian descent.... Yes officer, I do realize my name makes me sound like one of those Muslim terrorist wankers... As you can see officer, this proves I am legal. Run along now, that's a good little copper."

  • May 6, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by sewiz

    I don't suppose you will ever actually see this, but I call bs on what you said -- see you just made sweeping, condeming generalizations and assumptions...based on? I don't know what. See all the time I hear about how racist we are, all these things we do...but you know that isn't me, I know that much. There is always these like examples of "conservative x did this to a homosexual, or conservative y spouted hate speech. But those are the crazies. Like the people right here on this forum, that I suppose you could call liberal calling for all conservatives to be killed - the don't represent any kind of majority or general consensus of thought. They are whacko. Its like I said, none of the conservatives I know are racist in the least. And as far as "conservatives" increasing govt - don't mistake Republicans for conservatives. They might be more conservative than the dems, but lately, especially that last idiot in the Oval Office they have been very liberal in thier tendencies.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    KENTUCKIAN: PWNED

    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 6, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    but Kentuckian

    by samsquanch

    America is always changing. Time passes, attitudes change, the times change, politics change, everything changes. I've considered myself more or less a political conservative all my life, but many of my views are now considered quite left of center, though when I was younger the distinction was less harsh. What happened? Oh sure, as I got older, maybe I mellowed out a bit on some things, got a little less strident, maybe I'm a little less tolerant of some things now, but I think the world, and America also changed. my sphere of political understanding and the political realities of America are never in total harmony, the overlap is always blurring, shifting, redefining itself. I'm at least old enough now to understand and accept that the two spheres will never align perfectly, and I'm ok with that. There will always be things about this country that I will be ashamed of, that I will consider my duty as a citizen to resist, but at the end of the day I still believe its the best country in the world. Not in spite of this, but because of it. <p> I don't expect America to bend to my will, because there are 300 million people here, not all of them are required to agree with me on everything before I'll accept America for who she is. One of the things that makes America great is that we can disagree, passionately, and both our opinions, no matter how at odds are equally valid. Our right to speak our opinions to one another is even enshrined in our most fundamental laws. <p> So who really hates America, Kentuckian? Which one of us accepts that there will always be things we would like to change, but also accepts that in the final definition that imperfection is part of America's inherent beauty? Which one of us sees enemies around every corner, agents of destruction within our own borders, interlopers, impostors, combatants masquerading as fellow citizens, traitors deceiving the dwindling population of 'real Americans'? Tell me Kentuckian, if things are as bad as you make them out to be, and all these anti-American Americans are all around you, if you hate the left so much (and whoever else you don't consider 'real' Americans) how much can you really love this country? Sounds to me like who you consider authentically American is a smaller and smaller minority every day. Sounds to me like you're the one who hates what America actually is, and instead want to hold onto some Norman Rockwell dream of what you imagine it once was. Where is your pride? <p> So, I ask you again, who hates America?

  • May 6, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian--

    by zb.brox

    Tell me, do you love America so much you want to undo all those "fundamental changes" to our constitution? Bring back slavery, nix a woman's right to vote, and forget about that nasty equal protection clause? Well, shit, those are just the *new* amendments! Lets go back before we "fundamentally changed" our country with the first ten. Fucking Bill of Rights, screwing up our perfect and wonderful Constitution! The really fucking hilarious thing is that jerk-offs like you only call it *changing* the country when it's the left doing it. When the *right* tries to do away with the first fucking amendment, that's fine. In the fifties we change the pledge of allegiance to add the words "Under God" and that's okay. But if a leftist wants to take it out--well, shit, they're trying to CHANGE AMERICA! When right-wing hacks advocate torture despite *the explicit text* of the fourth fucking amendment, that's PATRIOTISM. When they try to give America an official language despite the country's multicultural history, that's PATRIOTISM. When they want to deny equal protection under the law to gays despite the promise that all people are created equal, that's PATRIOTISM. When they undermine the free market by giving huge subsidies to the oil industry or allow health insurance companies to operate as monopolies, that's PATRIOTISM. What a load of fetid elephant dung. Here's a fucking clue, dipshit: There isn't a single goddamn thing in the Constitution that keeps the government from providing healthcare (Guess who started the first public healthcare in this country? JOHN FUCKING ADAMS) or saying that America has to be a white, English-speaking nation (you have any idea how much of this fucking country we bought from France? Spain? Russia?) or saying that this is a Christian nation (The Treaty of Tripoli unequivocally states we are not--passed unanimously by the Senate in fucking 1797) or any of the other horseshit scared conservatives bitch and moan about 'cause they really really REALLY want to be special.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    zb. brox

    by samsquanch

    You have such a way with words. I am a big fan. I still want to wash your mouth out with soap, but I'm just glad you're around. <p> "JOHN FUCKING ADAMS." Shit motherfucker, you made me laugh.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I haven't read the new law, but what does it say that's so hatea

    by Marksman91

    Look, before you assume anything, I'm Venezuelan, and no, I'm not living in the U.S (though I did for 3 years, but that was a long time ago), so I'm KIND of well-known with American culture and what to expect from people depending on which state I am, but nevertheless, I still haven't read this law, because frankly I don't have the time. Now, WHAT is it that they changed so radically that's making people angry as hell? I don't understand what's so bad about "criminalizing" illegal immigrants. Isn't being an illegal immigrant already breaking the law and therefore already makes one a criminal? What the hell's so drastically bad about the new law?

  • May 6, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian vs. Sound-Minded Talkbackers

    by JaimeFoxx

    Sound-Minded Talkbackers win. Fatality.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    samsquanch--

    by zb.brox

    Cheers. Nice to have you around providing the sane counterpoint, too. ;)

  • May 6, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    THOSE ARE SOME AWFULLY DANGEROUS QUESTIONS ZB

    by BringingSexyBack

    Doubtless there's a fringe who would like nothing more than to revert America back to the days of white domination, slavery and women's subjugation. <P> Not me though. I mean, there are *some* days I feel that way, but it's rare. Mostly it's because I had a rough commute.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Marksman91--

    by zb.brox

    What's so bad about the law, essentially: 1: Police can detain (i.e. put in jail) anyone the stop if they have a "reasonable suspicion" the person is an illegal immigrant. That means they can put an American citizen in jail if that citizen can't provide their birth certificate. 2: It allows appearance, accent, and race to be used to judge "reasonable suspicion", meaning that a cop doesn't really need much evidence--essentially being non-white or having an accent is enough. The cops aren't supposed to use *only* these factors, but, you know, a lot of people don't exactly trust cops. Plenty of cops are great people, but some of them are racist pricks and this gives them a lot of power. 3: Perhaps most stupidly, the law allows citizens to *sue the government* if they think not enough is being done about illegal immigration. All you need is a few nationalist crackpots to waste millions of taxpayer dollars forcing a town, a county, or a police department to defend themselves against wild accusations. And if you're at all familiar with this country, you know there are plenty of racist crackpots who'll be happy to sue their town for the crime of having too many hispanics in it.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    BSB--

    by zb.brox

    Good point. But I think it's a good idea to ask so that those people will identify themselves so we can all point and laugh.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by AsimovLives

    You think that National Socialism, AKA, Nazism, is left wing? You have to be the most ignorant fool i ever seen in here. And that's something!<br><br>And the founding fathers of USA were radical left wingers, they went agaisnt the normalicy of the day, meaning, monarchies, and instaured a democracy. You couldn't be more left winger then to be a believer in democracy, back then. Deal with it.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    YOU KNOW WHAT IS RACIST?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That some Republicans are proposing to strip citizenship away from persons (like Faisal Shahzad) who have association with *foreign* terror organizations. "Foreign" being the operative word. <P> Frankly, I'm for stripping citizenship/rights from anyone who supports terrorist activities here - be they Al Qaeda, Taliban, or Hutaree.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    If you americans are not careful...

    by AsimovLives

    ... your rigth wingers will destroy your country. A few more George W. Bushs, and you will be like India, if not worst. Be advised.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    No one really thinks being illegal ISN'T a crime

    by D.Vader

    As much as the Republican and conservatives want to paint those who are against the bill as believing this- that illegal aliens aren't doing something illegal- its just simply not true.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "A few more George W. Bushs, and you will be like India"

    by BumLove

    Republicans won't make America like India...because India is full of brown people.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    BSB--

    by zb.brox

    Good point. You don't get much more striking fucking hypocrisy than on the rightwing hysteria over how we've treat Shahzad so far vs. their total silence on how we treated McVey.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    D.Vader, that's where you're wrong. Alot of liberals

    by Coughlins Laws

    don't think of illegal aliens as criminals. That's the problem. Go read the dailykos or The Huffington Post, watch MSNBC anchors, read The New York Times, or listen to rantings from Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Charles Barkley. even though they are a small minority of thought, they like to paint a broadbrush of the vast majority of Americans and call us racist for simply wanting our laws enforced. Listen to all the bullshit about illegals doing jobs "Americans refuse to do". I've seen MSNBC anchors say that they don't want illegal immigrants called illegal. They use meaningless words like "undocumented workers". Don't even try with your bullshit that the American Left doesn't think illegals are criminals. They don't. The stance ofr most on the Left is for full amnesty for ALL illegals...

  • May 6, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Machete fake trailer made

    by bobbofatz

    into a movie? Next up a movie about the Progressive insurance chick. On another note I was wondering if Mexico wants illegal Guatemalans in their country.

  • May 6, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    COUGHLINS LAW

    by BringingSexyBack

    You have a point, EXCEPT that those beliefs - that illegals aren't really illegal - is held by a minority of Liberals. Every Liberal in this talkback feels differently, including yours truly. <P> And I support amnesty with strict guidelines, like a probation period of, say, 3 to 5 years with no criminal activity before getting full legal immigrant status. Amnesty is the only practical solution given the enormous numbers of illegals here.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by antonphd

    i don't know a single liberal who doesn't think that being in our country without permission is not against our laws. not a single one. but our laws are made by us and they are fluid and flawed. so, we are not ready to use the dismissive label 'criminal' when referring to 'everyone' who is here in this country without our permission. why? because a lot of them are desperately trying to save their lives and it's a greater 'crime' for us to blame them for trying to do that. does it gel well with our orderly way of doing things? no. it doesn't. but most of them are good people who's only crime is trying to survive. it's like saying that someone who steals bread to keep from starving to death is a thief. well, do you have to label them with the 'thief' label when referring to them or can we maybe focus on how they are starving to death. liberals understand that sometimes people break our laws to try to survive and we simply feel that the priority in that situation is helping someone in trouble instead of justing throwing the book at them and calling them a criminal. it's about priorities. it's about recognizing that life is complicated. were jews fleeing from nazis criminals for crossing borders without permission? according to you. what about africans who's parents have been slaughtered in front of them? can they sneak into america? what about mexicans who live in a dump literally? can they sneak into america? or should they just go back and dig thru the trash? liberals support law and order, but we also belief in compassion and priorities. and the fact that we only own this land because we say so and we have a military strong enough to keep anyone else from taking it. it's not like we are entitled to this land. we can have some humanity about people who are just trying to survive.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    oops

    by antonphd

    according to you. doesn't belong above. i forgot to delete that as part of a different sentence. i'm not saying you think it was a crime for jews to flee over borders to escape genocide from nazis.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I am a liberal and I have no problem with...

    by Jaka

    ...immigration laws, building a fence or deporting them. None at all. I simply think THIS bill is badly flawed and will set DANGEROUS precedents for future state and federal laws.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ANTONPHD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Unfortunately I know some people like that. I don't like them. And they smell.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    METHINKS TEXAS WILL FOLLOW AZ SOON

    by BringingSexyBack

    You KNOW Perry is itching to do the same thing. Harry had better start carrying his papers.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Fuck Arizona...and Texas too if they go down this path.

    by Peter Franks

    These "illegals," as you conservative pricks so callously call them, are human beings. I know it can be confusing sometimes, what with the brown skin and the accents. Not only are these people the same as you and me, they deserve to be treated with some remote semblance of fucking respect. Regardless of their citizenship status, or from which border they came from. Undocumented migrants are just that, immigrants in search of a better life in the land of opportunity. They come here just as our forefathers did in search of something more. Remember life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? In the meantime, they mow your lawns, they fix your roof, and they serve you Taco Bell at the goddamn drive thru. How about you hypocrites practice just a tiny little bit of the compassion that your supposed lord and savior actually taught? That guy you worship and are constantly beating the rest of us over the head with? Jesus, right? Remember him? "Love your neighbor as yourself." [Matthew 22:39] "So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you." [Matthew 7:12.] "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." [Matthew 19:21] "But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just." [Luke 14:13 &14.] Yeah, many Mexicans love him too. So much so that they actually name their children after him. You do realize that there's more in that book that you claim to love so much than just taking rights away from gay people and women who need abortions, right? Until Arizona can pull it's collective head out of it's conservative ass... Not one dime, not one peso, not one visit to the state as long as SB1070 stands. Oh, and happy Cinco de Mayo...racist assholes.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Peter Franks.

    by HoboCode

    Amen.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    sewiz

    by antonphd

    i was raised in a conservative home. nearly all of my very large family are conservative. i was conservative until my mid 20s. now in my 30s i am basically a moderate liberal. probably pretty close to where obama is. now... i know that conservatives are not the exceptional dumb shits or assholes that give them a bad reputation... no more than liberals being the exceptional dumb shits or assholes that give them a bad reputation. but the problem with conservatives is that your biggest representatives are hypocritical judgmental dumb shits and/or assholes. sarah palin? really? not only is she a dumb shit but she believes that jesus is coming back to destroy most of the people of the world. rush and beck are shock jocks with more political influence than any elected conservatives. sure, we have over the top keith olberman, but he isn't even close to being anywhere near having any real power. conservatives brought the country bush jr and he ran it into the ground. you can try to run away from that but everyone knows the score. sorry.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Coughlins, what you fail to see as a problem...

    by D.Vader

    Is the fact that it IS a minority who might believe being an illegal alien is not a crime, but the other side of the spectrum tries to paint the situation so that its EVERYONE on the left who believes it. <p> Hell, you JUST did it yourself when you said this: "Don't even try with your bullshit that the American Left doesn't think illegals are criminals. They don't. The stance ofr most on the Left is for full amnesty for ALL illegals..." <p> I mean, seriously? Come on, wise up.

  • "...they like to paint a broadbrush of the vast majority of Americans and call us racist for simply wanting our laws enforced." <p> Uhhh no. Stop acting like the people you are criticizing. No one is calling you or the bill racist bc you "simply want the laws enforced". That's bullshit and you know it. They're calling the bill racist bc, in its first incarnation, it pretty much ALLOWED FOR RACIAL PROFILING. Good lord, you're thick-headed. Just like Fox News, trying to twist the facts and ignore the truth to fit your agenda and make yourself out to be the victim. All you have to say is "They're calling us racist only bc we want the laws enforced! BooHOO!" <p> Yeah, way to avoid the real fucking issue.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Some of you don't seem to understand

    by Kentuckian

    The Amendments to the Constitution come about via an established process, and become part of the "foundational core" of this country. Modern leftists are trying to bring about fundamental changes AGAINST the constitutional processes. They are, as I said, aggressively anti-American.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Here here Jaka

    by D.Vader

    That's pretty much what a LOT of the people who are against this bill are saying. But of course, the other side doesn't want to let everyone else know that. Its much easier to say you're against it just because you're liberal and you don't want the laws enforced. Its not so cut and dry. Its not so cut and dry that the supporters are racist either, of course.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Illegal immigrants are criminals

    by Kentuckian

    I have a dear friend from Mexico. She is here legally, and is going through the process to legally become a citizen. Why should she and every other legal immigrant be made chumps by those who break the law?

  • May 6, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Again Kentuckian ignores everyones posts to focus on himself

    by D.Vader

    Blah blah blah -ignoring every response and reply that may prove me wrong- blah blah blah more babbling without evidence or proof, blah blah.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by AsimovLives

    You are fucked up. People like you will destroy America.

  • May 6, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by samsquanch

    Please explain this statement: <p> "Modern leftists are trying to bring about fundamental changes AGAINST the constitutional processes. They are, as I said, aggressively anti-American." <p> Who's doing what now? This is absolute nonsense. You may as well have written: "Chicken, trampoline, stargate, whippleball!!" <p> If you're just going to smash away at your keyboard without trying to adhere to the basic rules of internet ranting, ie: having your sentences make sense in english, then go eat your crackers and watch your stories. No more from you, weirdo.

  • May 6, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by samsquanch

    great post.

  • May 6, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    machete/nwa project

    by scottgeorgio

    wow! i see red neck racist hate- mongers r everywhere nowdays!i have never seen so much ignorance on this site since the news on the n.w.a film and Machete...and i thought us film makers/film geeks were more intelligent.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Kentuckian

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "Modern leftists are trying to bring about fundamental changes AGAINST the constitutional processes. They are, as I said, aggressively anti-American."<P>Seriously...what the fuck are you babbling about?

  • May 6, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Many Good Points

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>on both sides of this debate. but I am going to have to agree with Mr. Peter Franks above.</P> <P>For my own part, I say lock up the drug smugglers. But if someone is here illegally, and all they are doing is trying to put food on the table, then I am not going to say one word in protest.</P> <P>When it comes to rendering unto Ceasar or unto God, God trumps Ceasar.</P>

  • May 6, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I love talkbacks like this...

    by ComSamVimes

    ...or reading them anyways..I almost never participate. Here's my two cents...(worth even less).I don't think this law is racist, but I do think this law is the absolute wrong way to go about this. It's backwards to me. The first step is to seal off the borders. Build a wall (yes I think a wall would work), more personnel on the border, or whatever...something more than what is there now. THEN deal with the people that are here. I understand the compassion people have for the poor folks that are here trying to escape a terrible terrible place. And we need that compassion. I know that they are breaking the law...but the guy painting some guys roof so he can feed his family is not the same as the drug runners...they just aren't. However since that will never happen..AZ decided that they needed to do something...and this is the result. Again, I don't think it's racist, but it is tough. It has to be tough, it's just gotten too far out of control. I also think no matter what kind of action anyone decides to take will be called racist...its too easy to play that card. I think the more you use that as an excuse to do nothing, the more the really bad crimes get out of control (kidnapping, drugs, etc...), and the more that harms the decent folks just trying to survive.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    RE: The Amendments to the Constitution

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You mean like the amendment against gay marriage that conservatives tried to drum up support for under the Bush Administration? You know, the one that would have written homophobic bigotry into our "foundational core"? Yeah, that was "Right = liberty" in action right there.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    ya whats wrong with illegals

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    trying to put food on the table? with foodstamps and wellfare and free e.r. visits by pregnant mexican chicks pumping out more mexicans? theres so many wetbacks now i go to the grocery store and cant understand what the fuckin food is. what the fuck is a chilapa de punta chinka de gringos?

  • May 6, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    How about the amendment that made flag-burning illegal?

    by D.Vader

    I remember when that ridiculous attempt popped up riiiiight around election time in an attempt to get more Republican seats in congress. Because of course the Democrats were going to say "no, that's a stupid law that infringes on our freedoms" while all the other side had to say was "See! They're unpatriotic! Vote for us!" and the stupid pple of America would agree.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Unidentifiable Food

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>"what the fuck is a chilapa de punta chinka de gringos?"</P> <P>Usually, if I can't identify what's on the plate, I don't eat it. Good line though.</P>

  • May 6, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    And, finally, we have a word from a real racist!

    by samsquanch

    Thank you, Pussywhatever, for reminding us that actual racists are at least funny. You go, girl!

  • May 6, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes, great post, but

    by samsquanch

    you'll find that reasonable, fair minded thoughtfulness won't get you very far around these parts. Oh, and by the way, Kentuckian thinks you're destroying America. Just fyi.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Shorter Kentuckian:

    by zb.brox

    What's good for the goose is OMFG TREASON BLAAAAAHHHRHGHGHGH!!!! for the gander.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    samsquanch, hahaha...

    by ComSamVimes

    yeah...I know...I hate destroying america...I think anyone so black and white on either side is bound to be wrong. I'm a mostly conservative kind of guy, and I think Kentuckian raises some good points on the subject...but I hate this "your destroying america" that people get into. If either side had their way completely, then we'd be fucked...

  • May 6, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    So....

    by JaimeFoxx

    Thinking that anyone with leftist beliefs wants amnesty for every illegal <br> <br> is the new "Liberals don't support our troops"? <br> <br> I guess I'll just quote something that you cultists used to say so much during the Bush administration in regards to the lot of you "conservatives"... <br> <br> "America. Love it or leave it."

  • May 6, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes, agreed!

    by samsquanch

    The problem with ppl like Kentuckian raising good points is that since he's such a cross-eyed lunatic whatever sense he makes is completely polluted by his blind hatred of anyone who isn't exactly like him. As always, zb.brox illustrates this the best way possible with his last post. <p> I'm more or less a conservative dude too, but that doesn't mean that when the left makes a good point I'm going to ignore them, or worse, smite them with my broadsword like some people. Can't we all just get along?

  • May 6, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    well..if we all got along...

    by ComSamVimes

    ...there would be no AICN talk backs...or at leas we'd all have to actually talk about the movies...yikes!! On that note...Machete looks hilarious.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Re: Amnesty

    by zb.brox

    I'd just like to point out that we've given "amnesty" to illegal aliens before. And who signed the bill? Notorious liberal icon Ronald fucking Reagan.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    @Jamie Foxx

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    LOL! Yeah, nothing offends me. Certainly not honest, hardworking Mexican-Americans and those who are here legally. Call me crazy.

  • May 6, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    And @ Jaime Foxx again

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Regarding the Thor pic, yeah, I like it. I think the actor looks about as good as could be expected. I certainly don't want the dude they cast to be wearing a fake fucking Viking beard 'cause we know how fake beards turn out - just ask David Geffen.<p>And regarding Thor's suit, well, I'm older than ten and I remember the whining and complaints on here about the X-Men outfits, too.

  • May 6, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    What's your point about Reagan? Nobody said the guy was perfect or that he didn't make some mistakes. In exchange for allowing aliens to stay, Reagan decided, border security and enforcement of immigration laws would be greatly strengthened — in particular, through sanctions against employers who hired illegal immigrants. If jobs were the attraction for illegal immigrants, then cutting off that option was crucial.<p>But like all liberal bait-and-switch plans, the enforcement ideas never happened and the 1986 act did not solve our illegal immigration problem. From the start, there was widespread document fraud by applicants. Unsurprisingly, the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there proved to be a failure of political will in enforcing new laws against employers or for strengthening the borders. (Imagine that.)<p>After a six-month slowdown that followed passage of the legislation, illegal immigration returned to normal levels and continued unabated. Ultimately, some 2.7 million people were granted amnesty, and many who were not stayed anyway, forming the nucleus of today's unauthorized population of 12 million to 20 million.<p>So, you understand all that, right? You understand that 2.7 million in 1986 far exceeded the estimates THEN and is the proverbial "drop in the bucket" compared to today's numbers of FOUR to SEVEN TIMES that number. You understood all that and just left it out in the vain hope of convincing some moron that since Reagan did it with 15%-25% of today's numbers and never got the enforcement provisions implemented we should repeat the mistake today. Of course, you did.

  • May 6, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Reagan also signed a tax increase, but that don'

    by The Bicycle Sharer

  • May 6, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Reagan also signed a tax increase, but...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    That don't mean I'm for 'em. Obama breathes air, but that don't mean I'm against it. Seriously, honest to God, zb.brox, what were you trying to do there? I really don't understand. Do you think that conservatives think Reagan did no wrong? You're very mistaken.<p>While most conservatives adore "that notorious liberal icon Ronald fucking Reagan," we do admit that he made mistakes.<p>Like trusting Democrats on things like "enforcement" and "border security" and "getting tough on employers" and "balancing the budget." Reagan trusted those putrid sacks of shit far too much and many of us today won't make the same mistake.<p>I wouldn't trust a liberal myself as far as I could shit him out.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Oops! That's David Gest

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Not Geffen. Sorry Geffen. Very, very sorry.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Hate to join the crowd and be simplistic, but,

    by skimn

    Kentuckian, how can you talk out of your mouth and ass at the same time?

  • May 6, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>Good point about Reagan. And that was a totally political move by the way...he didn't do it because he thought it was right: he did it to hurt the unions, and thus, hurt the Democrats, since organized labor is typically the group most hurt by low-wage workers (just look at the construction industry).</p> <p>He also did it because he found common ground with many of the illegals at the time on socially conservative/religious issues, and thought he could count on those folks to support Republicans at the polls (and the fact that a Republican president signed amnesty into law didn't hurt).</p> <p>This AZ bill is no different: it is a political ploy, not meant to truly resolve any issues. This is something that the Republican majority running the state of AZ (which is in huge trouble economically) can point to during election season and say "See, we're trying to fix things!"</p> <p>It also allows them to take a swipe at Obama: "We've asked for the federal government to help us and they won't!"...even though the federal government under Bush didn't help either.</p> <p>Finally, it helps them to fire up their base, which in AZ is white baby boomers.</p>

  • May 6, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    STAY AWAY FROM CRAIGLIST, PEOPLE

    by BringingSexyBack

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/jim-sanders-craigslist-di_n_566124.html

  • May 6, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    Jesus fucking Christ, you read a lot into my comment. How about you actually read the context of the goddamn discussion and check out the fact that I'm clearly responding to some jackoff moron whose sniveling anti-liberal rants included the usual horseshit "OMFG, liberal fucking love amnesty!" canard. You know who fucking loves amnesty? Right-wing corporate interests who want to make sure their steady supply of cheap labor doesn't fucking dry up. But every poorly-informed lackwit like Kentuckian drags out amnesty to batter liberals with as if they don't have a giant fucking log in their eye.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Reagan didn't make a mistake: it was a calculated political move that worked out well with regard to what the real goals were. It has only recently backfired for the Republican party because of all the racially-tinged anti-immigrant talk from party leadership over the last few years.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I'll Take Machete/Expendables Double Feature For $500, Alex

    by utz_world

    And, for a Daily Double, I'll see 'em at an actual drive-in movie theatre!

  • May 6, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo--

    by zb.brox

    Excellent post. The Republican party is in a real bind with the immigration issue, because the free-trade corporatist wing of the party is all for as much cheap labor as they can get (hence why Bush was fairly "soft" in immigration), but the rabid nativist contingent is all for a fucking lockdown. Not to mention that Republican politicians, like Reagan, still want to be able to mine the relatively socially-conservative Latino block. For now, guess Arizona's decided to throw a bone to the nativists. That's a short-term strategy at best.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    genrealjackcosmo...

    by ComSamVimes

    I guess I sort of agree with you in as these things might be all a political move. And no...W didn't do anything for this issue, nor is Obama. That's no excuse for either of them really. Maybe this AZ law will force new candidates to be more proactive in taking a stand one way or another. Also...I'm not anti-immigrant..I'm anti-illegal immigrant...so there's a difference...and no matter how much you want to make it an issue of people being racist..it's just not. Not that there isn't racism...it's just not what it's about. The left is crying "The rightwingers are nothing but a bunch a racists" as much as the right is yelling out "OMFG, liberal fucking love amnesty!". It's so irritating..cause I don't think either one of them is true. but Neither side is able to drop it.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by JaimeFoxx

    Haha I was just messing around about Thor. The actor IS spot on, and I'm sure he'll look good on the big screen. <br> <br> And really illegal immigration can't be blamed on Dems or Reps. The problem began with or before the Reagen administration, and no one since has done much to remedy it. <br> <br> But more power to the lot of you that wish to discuss partisan politics... <br> <br> I, myself, am an indie because I've never been part of a gang in my life... and I don't wish to start now.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I wondered why David Geffen had a fake beard...

    by D.Vader

  • May 6, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I'm indie too

    by D.Vader

    Better music and sometimes better movies.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes--

    by zb.brox

    The problem with the racism thing is that the racist/nativist angle is as big an issue as the law-and-order or economic issues. That certainly doesn't mean that *you* are a racist or that everyone on the right is a racist. But when people on the right get behind a law that empowers racists and propagates racism simply because it also happens to accomplish something they want, I think that's a pretty serious fucking problem for those people. The "because the feds did nothing, Arizona had to do something!" argument doesn't hold water. Okay, so they had to do something--did that something have to be quite so shockingly un-American? So poorly thought out that they amended it all of a week later? Come on, man. I'm a vegetarian fan of animal rights, but I'm willing to admit that PETA is a bunch of nutbags. More conservatives should be willing to do the same about the growing streak of insanity in their party.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Bush didn't do anything to stop illegal immigration because, as zb.brox pointed out, big business loves cheap labor, and the Republican party loves big business. And Obama sure as hell isn't going to do anything...not while he can sit back and watch the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot with the Latino voting bloc, the vast majority of whom will probably now flock to Democratic candidates because Republicans have turned immigration into an identity-politics wedge issue. So, yes, I absolutely think the whole thing is totally political. And I don't think I called anyone racist...I didn't mean to...what I said was the Republican leadership has been spouting a lot of racially-tinged rhetoric of late (last few years in particular). I don't mean racially-tinged to mean racist.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    FUCK, BSB!! I just answered a CraigsList ad!

    by D.Vader

    We're meeting tomorrow! HOLY SHIT!

  • May 6, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"The left is crying "The rightwingers are nothing but a bunch a racists" as much as the right is yelling out "OMFG, liberal fucking love amnesty!". It's so irritating..cause I don't think either one of them is true. but Neither side is able to drop it."</p> <p>I agree that the screaming, knee-jerk reactionaries on the far Left and far Right are extremely annoying. Honestly, I kind of blame the mainstream media for the way that political discourse has descended into hyperbolic tantrums and name-calling. I think its the 24 hour cable news cycle (and also the internet) that are to blame. Cable news channels need to keep people watching all the time, so they can sell commercial slots.</p> <p>The best way to do that is either to create controversy by putting on two opposing, knucklehead "experts" who say ridiculous shit to each other and create the illusion of a debate where there really isn't one among reasonable individuals (for example, come on, is anyone really *against* energy independence?), or by preaching to the choir (think Olbermann and Beck). </p>

  • May 6, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    MACHETE is the reason Arizona passed that bill...

    by BurnHollywood

    Some people take grindhouse REALLY seriously. Between Trejo and those psycho twins on BREAKING BAD, it was a matter of either passing legislation, or sleeping with one eye open.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    There are loons

    by ComSamVimes

    on both sides...anyone who disagrees with that is probably one of those loons. The thing is I just don't think the law is racist...and those amendments were put in more to clarify what was already there...no matter how anyone wants to get rid of illegals in this country, it will be called "racist" simply because it's getting rid of people from another country. There's is simply nothing anyone could do that people wont' call racist. Like I said before, I support the law..but think it's back asswards way of going about the issue. I think stopping people coming over illegally by securing borders is the first step...but that would be racist too...or it would be called that. Nobody wants to be labeled that way and so nobody does anything. After a while it gets out of control to the point where you HAVE to do something hard like this law. Now...I also agree that politicians are in the pockets of corporations that abuse illegals...and as soon as we deport the illegals in our jails we can clear some room for those crooks.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes--

    by zb.brox

    You honestly don't see the difference in "racism" between border security and *detaining people who "look like" illegal immigrants*?

  • May 6, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by ComSamVimes

    I was more talking about people in general calling right wingers racist..no you in particular...I understand your well-reasoned your point of view...I respectively disagree. I don't think Obama is doing nothing just so he can watch the republicans implode on themselves....I think he realizes that any position he takes on it will be a bad move...he's kind of fucked either way. SO he's just not saying anything. I would still argue both sides are using this issue to gain votes...not just the right.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Immigrants should be legal once they take the pledge

    by BurnHollywood

    Lemon pledge, that is...<p> http://tinyurl.com/2ewm7nc

  • May 6, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Jaime Foxx - you're 100% right

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Both Repukes and Democraps are to blame. I fucking despise most politicians and both political parties. I tend to lean a little more conservative right than liberal left, but, truth be told, I think they're all shit-eating fucking maggots more interested in stoking the fires for their own political gain than anything else - both sides.

  • May 6, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    CSV

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>The original senate version of the bill placed no restrictions on racial profiling and allowed police to Terry stop people as long as they had reasonable suspicion that they might be in the country illegally.</p> <p>The house version put some restrictions on the level of profiling that would be tolerated, but still allowed it so long as it was not the sole reason for the Terry stop, which was also still allowed.</p> <p>As Bicycle Sharer pointed out last night, the final, amended bill prohibits any kind of profiling, and also does not allow Terry stops on the basis of reasonable suspicion with regard to immigration status at all...so it is a MUCH better bill.</p> <p>But the first two versions DEFINITELY gave cover to racists who want to harass Latinos.</p> <p>Now, you might call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think a lot of white AZ Republicans would have been thrilled if this law caused huge throngs of American citizens of Latin descent to move out of the state over fear that they might be unjustly harassed, since "Mexicans" moving out of certain neighborhoods would probably cause property values to go up...and so much of AZ's economy has been based on white retirees moving there...</p>

  • May 6, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by ComSamVimes

    but "look like" illegal immigrants can mean more than just skin color. If you pull someone over a van for speeding, and that person has 20 crammed in the back of the van, and none of them have any sort of ID...that is reasonable suspicion...regardless of skin color. The law is clear that you can't detain someone based on race. There are bad police officers...no doubt...and if they act in a way not according to the law they will get the shit sued out of them. If the law were actually the way people are interpreting it...then yeah...it would be racist...but it's not that way.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I did read the above. I got no truck with racists, but, like I said, even in the context of the above discussion with the Kentuckian, I think Reagan thought like a lot of folks today - just this one time and we'll REALLY lock down the borders and stick it to the employers.<p>Some liberals DO want amnesty. Some conservatives ALSO want amnesty. For some of them, it serves their sick purposes. For others, they think like Reagan did in '86 - it's a compassionate middle-ground and we'll REALLY, REALLY, REALLY enforce the border and stick it to the employers. The only problem with that line of thinking is that we've seen the errors inherent in it before.<p>Personally, I'm not 100% against the line of reasoning that illegals are here and that they obviously are needed. My solution to that (which takes into account their lawbreaking) is this --- fucking round 'em up (or let 'em deport themselves) and, for every one we deport, we bring in one who's been standing in line waiting on the legal way to do it. Goodbye, Juan! Hello, Francisco! Goodbye, Lupe! Hello, Maria!

  • May 6, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    by ComSamVimes

    well...yeah...no doubt there a racists out there who can't wait to get Mexicans out of their state...no doubt...but I don't think that's a majority...and I the amendments to the law are way better...and it's good thing...I agree that the first version of the law was ambiguous...but not so people had more power to harass...or maybe it was..I don't know (I'd like to think not)...but tanks to protesters the amendments were added making it better, thus the need for difference of opinion. I kind of agree with you that the original bill gave way to racial profiling...but not for the sake of racial profiling...

  • May 6, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes--

    by zb.brox

    I agree it means *more* than skin color, but the question for me is: Does this law allow racists a greater opportunity to abuse minorities? And I think very clearly it does. The law actually is *not* clear that you can't detain someone based on race. What is says is that you can't detain them *only* on race. That is a very thin layer of protection--do you think there is a single racist cop who couldn't come up with some secondary reason for fucking with an American citizen who happened to look Hispanic, speak with an accent, or fly a Mexican flag?

  • May 6, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    There better be a Michelle Rodriguez poster...

    by BurnHollywood

    Gawd, I'd like to make a run across her border before escaping into the wilds of her barrio...

  • May 6, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    Out of interest, how much money and time are you willing to spend rounding up 12 million illegal aliens rather than giving them an incentive to identify themselves? Here's what I think: If you want to stem the tide of illegal immigration, go after employers. Employing undocumented workers is just as illegal as crossing the border, and it's a hell of a lot easier to go after the employers.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by ComSamVimes

    I think those racist cops have been doing that for a long time...this law allows those people to be sued. SO that's a good thing.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    this law does

    by ComSamVimes

    go after people who employ illegals also...

  • May 6, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"I agree it means *more* than skin color, but the question for me is: Does this law allow racists a greater opportunity to abuse minorities? And I think very clearly it does. The law actually is *not* clear that you can't detain someone based on race. What is says is that you can't detain them *only* on race."</p> <p>Actually, you're wrong (and so was I when TBS and I were discussing this last night on this very Talkback). You are referring to the house version of the bill which was signed into law (as was I), but it was very quickly amended to make it clear that race could not be a factor at all. Look up AZ HB 2162: it contains the amendments that remove profiling altogether.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes--

    by zb.brox

    How does it allow them to be sued? It makes it perfectly legal to do that. It actually allows them to be sued for *not* doing it aggressively enough.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    But I would say it doesn't go after the employers nearly hard enough. If jail time were a very real possibility for someone employing undocumented workers, I bet you would see that practice shrink exponentially. Thus far, the only threats are fines and loss of business license. Jail is scarier.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit on liberal hypocrisy.

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    Why, that wouldn't be Robert Rodriguez, Danny Trejo and AICN inciting (gasp) politically motivated violence, would it? Where's the outrage? I guess it's short a few too many peaceful, middle class old white people. Going after Tea Partiers and not shit like this is why our media has developed such a reputation as biased pussies. Get some fucking perspective, America.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    GJC and CSV--

    by zb.brox

    Ah, my apologies, the revised version does make that protection a lot stronger. However, this does not change the fundamental problem that officers are given discretion to detain anyone who can't produce their papers, regardless of citizenship, and that that clearly empowers racially biased cops to abuse the system as long as they can think of an excuse.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Employers--

    by zb.brox

    --are never going to change as long as they make more money breaking the law than they lose paying fines, it's that simple.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    by ComSamVimes

    To be honest with you..I just kind of assumed that if you are a victim of racial profiling anywhere..you can sue..it may not be specified in that law...I'll go back to it...that's not to say that law says you can sue someone for not aggressively racially profiling someone...it just means if you report something...and they don't do anything about it ...you can sue...it's an incentive for them to do their job

  • May 6, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by ComSamVimes

    yep...I wish it did include jail time..or at the very least such an enormous fine that it would be more worthwhile to pay people a decent wage. I 100% agree with you there.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Now, by "papers"...

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    ... you must mean driver's license. Because that's what the bill requires you to produce. In other words, as a white guy, I'm being racially profiled every day when I make a credit card purchase.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I'm kinda insulted by your conspiracy theory there. I've got white Republican family in Arizona. I've also got Hispanic conservative friends there, too. Both of 'em support that bill and not because they want property values to go up.<p>Quite simply, they get to turn on their local tv news and see the news stories on drop houses raided, kidnappings of illegals by illegals, officers shot, ranchers murdered, cops hit by drunken illegals who've been deported MULTIPLE times, and drugs captured en route to somewhere every single night. Now, that ain't in any way to say that ALL Mexicans (illegal aliens or not) are doing the above shit, but the same "coyotes" who run Mexicans across the border ARE the ones who shoot ranchers and cops and kidnap their own migrant charges for more money. Arizona already has state penalties for human smuggling and, while its made some difference I hear, Arizonans feel like more can be done.<p>So, if you'll excuse the analogy (and it's a poor one, but it makes the point), imagine that illegals are stolen property or cocaine. Up till now, Arizona only took the stolen property or cocaine away from you; the only real punishment went to the "fence" or the dealer (i.e., the human smuggling "coyote"). Now, Arizona has decided to punish you for HAVING cocaine (being an illegal) in order to hopefully stop the demand (desire to be in Arizona).<p>And as I started to note before, some places in Arizona (Maricopa County) already do this; others don't (Chandler, Mesa) and simply refuse to, becoming sanctuary cities. The reason for this law, I'm told, was because of that - to create some uniformity across the state and reduce the "demand" to be in Arizona.<p>And regarding property values - honestly, while retirees in Arizona are everywhere, they do tend to congregate in certain areas (Sun Lakes, Sun City) while illegals congregate in South Phoenix and clearing them up in South Phoenix won't do squat for property values in Sun Lakes and Sun City, 25 miles away.<p>Do a Google search for South Phoenix. The second listing down is about the "gang war" there. The first listing is Wikipedia and will tell you about the area's reputation.<p>Seriously not even sure why one needs a "conspiracy theory" about this. The law is pretty clear (especially as amended) and the politicians who support it have been pretty outspoken about why they did it - to end the flow of illegals (and drugs, etc.) into Arizona. Why do you need a "conspiracy theory" on top of that?

  • May 6, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    GenJack

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    How fucked are we as a country when you got to look for a conspiracy theory behind enforcing a law that already exists federally? ;-)

  • May 6, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    zb.brox, GeneralJackCosmo

    by ComSamVimes

    all right...I need to go outside or something...you guys seem like good people...I appreciate the decent conversation...people who I disagree with are way more fun and worthwhile than finding people I agree with all the time. I'm out for a little while..I wish I could do this all day (I think I did actually)...but I gotta get some fresh air...haha..also..quit ruining America :P...later friends.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    ComSamVimes--

    by zb.brox

    Well, first, of course you can sue for wrongful arrest, but here's the thing: prove it. How do you prove you were detained because of your race? Even white people who aren't overtly racist get all pissy as soon as a black person or hispanic "plays the race card" anyway. I guarantee you, the first person in Arizona who sues a cop for racially profiling them will be ridiculed to high-heaven over it. Second, do we get to sue cops for not doing enough to enforce any other law? I mean, Jesus, every time some crackpot sees a brown-skinned person and decides they must be a border-crosser the police have to worry if they don't check up on this Hispanic-guy-walking-at-night phenomenon they're gonna get sued. That's just crazy.

  • May 6, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Driver's license?

    by zb.brox

    You mean *Arizona* driver's license. And you realize not everyone has one of those, right?

  • May 6, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    zb.brox, I agree about employers and...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Stiff fuckin' punishments. In Arizona, they have an employee verification law that the same crowd that's moaning and crying about this law moaned and cried about. It's called EEVP, Employment Eligibility Verification Program, and requires that anyone working in Arizona be checked against the Social Security Administration for a valid ss# and that the number matches the name given. There are pretty strict penalties (though not strict enough, in my opinion) for failure to comply. Penalties for intentionally or knowingly hiring or employing illegal immigrants are severe. Employers face mandatory suspension of their business licenses for first offenses and permanent revocation of their business licenses for second offenses.<p>Of course, like I said, the same whiney bitches who are falsely stirring up lies about this law, did the same thing about that one and they're actually suing the counties of Arizona over this. See, you think these guys (who RIGHT NOW are claiming that we should hit the employers) REALLY think that? Let me help. From aclu.org:<p>"A coalition of civil rights groups filed a new lawsuit in a Phoenix federal court today charging that the so-called Legal Arizona Workers Act unlawfully requires businesses to participate in a flawed work authorization verification database, lacks due process protections, improperly threatens businesses with a “business death penalty” that interferes with federal law, and would lead to discrimination against workers who are perceived as being foreign born." (http://tiny.cc/0tldb).<p>So, Arizona FIRST did what the pro-illegal crowd NOW claims they want and the pro-illegal crowd sued. Why? Because they (left and right, though, in this case, definitely left) don't want enforcement, period. They don't want employers to have to verify or to be penalized and they don't want stiffer punishment for illegals ("Illegals protest over felony provision" - http://tiny.cc/9dkzf) and they don't want 'em deported or even asked to prove their citizenship. This shit is a rigged shell game by them - whichever option you pick (employer verification and sanctions, stiffer penalties for illegals themselves, simple verification of your right to be here during a traffic stop) is ALWAYS the wrong option and you should've picked one of the others. Until you do, of course, then it's the OTHER choices.<p>They lost that lawsuit, by the way, in the Ninth Circuit and Arizona uses e-Verify.<p>To answer your question, personally, like I said, I'd like some super strict penalties on employers (including those who pick up "day laborers" at the corner) and some stiffer penalties on the illegals themselves.<p>For employers, start seizing some fucking assets and watch how quickly this shit turns around. Even for day laborers - start seizing the vehicle Whitey McMannerson uses to pick up day laborers for his weekend project and watch how quickly this turns around.<p>For illegals themselves, provide another form of "amnesty" - turn yourself in and be prepared to deport (and we bring in a lawful one for every one we deport) and we won't throw you in prison in six months when we catch you 'cause it's now a felony to be here illegally.<p>That's what I would do. Is that harsh on employers and illegals? Yup. But is it racist? Nope. 'Cause I'd bring a Mexican in for every Mexican who turns himself in and gets deported.<p>I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love Mexicans.<p>But I despise Mexico. That country is a corrupt shit hole that's on the brink of collapse partly because of the U.S. "blind eye" approach to illegal immigration.<p>What would twelve to twenty million returning Mexicans do to the political structure of that country? Hopefully, clean it up.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    What does that mean - *Arizona* driver's license?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    What are you saying, zb.brox? That you have to produce an Arizona driver's license in Arizona? Incorrect. I'm in Arizona occasionally and I produce a CALIFORNIA driver's license and go on about my merry way. (Well, both times I was pulled over, anyway.)

  • May 6, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    Out of state driver's licenses are not considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law. If you get detained with an out-of-state license, you need to figure out how to get your passport or birth certificate over there.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    "You can sue for wrongful arrest, but..."

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Here's the thing: prove it."<p>http://tiny.cc/slqeb <p>And: <p>http://tiny.cc/hkvn0 <p>And: <p>http://tiny.cc/t5aex <p>And: <p>http://tiny.cc/skzzk <p>And: <p>http://tiny.cc/7yut2 <p>And: <p>http://tiny.cc/gegre <p>That's from one page of Google searching for "wrongful arrest lawsuit." I could go on, but I'm sure that you get the idea. "Proving" wrongful arrest is not exactly the crazy impossibility that you're seemingly implying.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Blood_Bubbles

    by JaimeFoxx

    "Going after Tea-parrtiers blah, blah blah." <br> <br> Teabaggers have been know to carry AR-15's and other firearms to their supposedly "peaceful" protests. <br> <br> I don't see any semi-automatic or automatic firearms in this talkback. <br> <br> Don't get me wrong. I'm all for the right to bear arms (one of my Conservative beliefs), but walking around to protests carrying them and/or being paranoid that a Dem Pres is going to take them away is borderline paranoid/schizophrenic. <br> <br> Remember that "Soccor Mom" that insisted on carrying her little handgun to her childrens' games? It didn't come in too handy when her husband blew her face off in their home. <br> <br> But it matched her shoes and her earrings pretty good though, didn't it?

  • May 6, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Okay, so what's worse?

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    Strapping a legal, empty AR-15 on your back, or rioting in several cities over the weekend and destroying businesses and causing ACTUAL violence (yes, that happened)?

  • May 6, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    zb.brox, is this is gettng a little old?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Out of state driver's licenses are not considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law." Do you ever get tired of making me look good? ;-)<p>From THE REVISED BILL ITSELF - HB2162:<p>"A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:<p>1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.<p>2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.<p>3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.<p>4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.<p>Hmmm? "Any valid united states federal, state, or local government issued identification if the entity requires proof of legal residence in the United States before issuance."<p>Fuck, that's weird. To my untrained ears, that sound EXACTLY like out of state driver's licenses ARE considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law if the issuing state requires proof of residence.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Link me the riot, Bloody

    by JaimeFoxx

  • May 6, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    BEHROOOOOOOOOZ !

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • May 6, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Jaime

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Remember that knife-wielding man who attacked people at a Family Dollar store in Memphis, Tennessee on May 5 of this year? He was trying to attack numerous people with his knife. But the final victim, armed with a handgun due to the Tennessee Handgun Permit for concealed carry in public, successfully defended himself and his two daughters, killing his attacker in the parking lot. Yeah, that knife didn't come in too handy when the man blew the knife-wielder away in the parking lot, but that concealed carry handgun sure as shit was useful. ;-)

  • May 6, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    LOL! Behroooooooz!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Behrooz, Behrooz is on fiyah! We don't need no water...

  • May 6, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Bicycle

    by JaimeFoxx

    Ah, excellent. And I agree with that entirely. All I'm saying is that bringing firearms (clearly) as a means of intimidation at a political rally is absurd. <br> <br> And it IS great to hear that someone carrying a concealed weapon had the good sense and training to use it for it's intended purpose... as opposed to wearing it as an clothing accessory. <br> <br> However... if that's what Bloody was talking about, I fail to see the connection as I wasn't condemning the use of firearms by any means :-D

  • May 6, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    @Jaime: All day long, booboo.

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    You need but ask. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAJw8Aln2E http://bossip.com/241327/mexicans-riot-after-arizona-passes-racist-bill-allowing-one-time-to-ask-for-papers-video/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieR3mCVnIqk&feature=related http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36703

  • May 6, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JgAJw8Aln2E

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

  • May 6, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    "

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    http://bossip.com/241327/mexic ans-riot-after-arizona-passes- racist-bill-allowing-one-time- to-ask-for-papers-video/

  • May 6, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Jaime - riots?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    http://tinyurl.com/2c8se2e <p> http://tinyurl.com/247s5w2 <p> http://tinyurl.com/2fsm8y4 <p> http://tinyurl.com/22wjrka <p>How's that, Jaime? Riotous enough? Bottles thrown, people attacked, threats made.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    "

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ieR3mCVnIqk&feature=related

  • May 6, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    "

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    http://www.humanevents.com/art icle.php?id=36703

  • May 6, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    And, of course, there's more.

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    A cursory Google search will reveal plenty more, that's just a taste. Have at it.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    @ Jaime - I'm with ya on intimidation

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    But I gotta go. This has been real and it's been fun, but...<p>Oh, who am I kidding? This HAS been real fun. Talk to y'all later.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Although one last thing...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Serious as fuck, I'm waiting for the gun-toting Tea Party to run into the bottle-throwing pro-illegals. That shit should be one for the record books! I would fucking pay BIG money to see that fucking match up go down! Walton Goggins and crew vs. Machete y amigos!

  • May 6, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Bloody

    by JaimeFoxx

    Very interesting, thank you for the link. And much respect for backing up your points. <br> <br> I can't say that I agree with THESE assholes either. At least the police where there to respond accordingly.

  • May 6, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Bicycle

    by JaimeFoxx

    Hahaha. That's something that I would LOVE to see. Also something that both parties could agree on. <br> <br> Where's the Wishmaster when you need him?

  • May 6, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Harry, you arrogant douchebag.

    by The_Breeze

    You know what's batshit? We in AZ have been paying billions of dollars dealing with illegal immigration for years, and the Federal Government hasn't done a damn thing about it. The amount of crime here in Arizona related to illegals is getting worse, and the Federal government just shrugs when we try to bill them. Our law in AZ is a lot fairer than the equivilent Mexican laws. Under the arguments of the SB 1070 people, no one is qualified to arrest someone who is here illegally. No other country is expected to look the other way when people flood across their border; why should we? And, Robert Rodriguez, you arrogant numb fuck, tell you what. Why don't YOU go to Mexico illegally, and see how you fare? They will throw your prima donna ass in prison, and it won't have a fucking thing to do with the color of your skin - Mexico treats ALL illegal aliens as FELONS. The AZ law just reaffirms Federal law and makes it a state misdemeanor. Arizona's fed up with illegal immigrants - of any color. And we're fed up with whiney douchebags like you. You don't pay our taxes.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Jaime, I just want to say...

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    ... at first I thought you were going to be one of these tone deaf, "everyone's just racist" simpletons, but I see now that you want a genuine conversation. I appreciate that you're open like that, this being the internet and all. Much respect to you, too.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    And my girlfriend is Latina...

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    ... so you guys can bet she doesn't like having this conversation with me. But she's semi-reasonable about it, so I can't complain too much.

  • May 6, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    VADER - I JUST SAVED YOUR LIFE

    by BringingSexyBack

    You are now forever indebted to me. This is awesome.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    haha that's cool, Blood

    by JaimeFoxx

    And it's certainly refreshing to talk with people on aicn that may not share precisely the same beliefs, but are nonetheless rational human beings :)

  • May 6, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    1: Uh, finding a half dozen, a dozen, or a hundred news stories about people winning wrongful arrest lawsuits isn't exactly a case that it's common for wrongful arrest to actually get prosecuted. Do you have statistics? Or just a few examples? And note that some of those links aren't *just* wrongful arrest, they also include excessive force and other cases much easier to win. Oh, and that first link? "Stunning setback?" Seem pretty shocked. 2: Most analysts agree the status of out-of-state licenses is up in the air at the minute. Note the first clause of that piece you quoted: "IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE" Not every state *does* require that, my friend. Take, say, Washington State--you need proof of residence and a Social Security Number. You can get *either* of those things without proving you are legally in the country.

  • I gotta get my prescription checked.....

  • May 6, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Wait, those video clips are riots?

    by Lenny Nero

    I'm not trying to call anyone or their sources out on any bullshit, but it seems we have different ideas of what a riot is. Probably one of those clips counts, and only kind of.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Riot

    by JaimeFoxx

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/r iot <br> <br> Looks that way to me.

  • May 6, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Nobody said it was "common for wrongful arrest to actually get prosecuted." *YOU* said "here's the thing (about wrongful arrest): prove it." It's quite clear to anyone NOT dancing on the head of a pin to tell that your implication was that wrongful arrests cases were hard to prove/impossible to prove/ unprovable.<p>Sure, there are no statistics for winning cases for wrongful arrest, as far as *I* am can see, but, as I'm sure you know, there are liars, damned lairs, and statistics. Even a statistic can only show you so much (I mean, honest to God, who can keep statistics on cases won as compared to cases never presented? Who keeps track of cases never presented? No one, that's who.)<p>However, do *YOU* have any statistics on the problems of "proving" wrongful arrest ("here's the thing: prove it," you said, implying that you possess some esoteric knowledge about the implicit problems in "proving" wrongful arrest). Prove it, you said. I just presented several cases (ONE Google page search) in which PROVING it, in fact, occurred. Now that your "prove it" implication has been to shown to be both ignorant and wrong, you suddenly want to insist that I said "it's common wrongful arrest to actually get prosecuted." Once again, WRONG! You implied that proving it was some insurmountable task, an impossibility in the face of a monolithic government and law enforcement run amock. I showed you, again and as usual, to be incorrect by presenting EVIDENCE (not "most analysts") that pouts the lie to your "here's the thing: prove it" implication.<p>To make that even clearer, here's the thing: I proved it wrong.<p>And some of those cases aren't *JUST* for wrongful arrest? I didn't know that your criteria was so strict. See, crazily, I thought that a "win for a wrongful arrest" case meant a "win for a wrongful arrest" case, no matter what OTHER charges were included.<p>Not sure if you're aware of it, but in American jurisprudence, it's not "all or nothing." That is, if included in the charges against someone is wrongful arrest, excessive force, assault, etc., the case doesn't default to the "easier to win" case and apply to ALL charges. Each charge is separate and discreet and jurors are, believe it or not, allowed to find guilty on some (say, the "easier to win" charges) and NOT guilty on the others (say, "wrongful arrest").<p>Need an example? Of course you do. How 'bout the Palin email hacker?<p>http://tiny.cc/brb1o<p>In that case, the defendant was found guilty on some charges, but not others. Strange, that they didn't apply the "zb.brox rule" of jurisprudence in which the "easier to win" cases and their verdicts apply ipso facto to the "harder to prove" charges. Oh, well, maybe they weren't informed of your legal opinion. Mores the pity, I guess.<p>Most analysts (got any statistics for *THAT* by the way) are fucking retarded if they think "the status of out-of-state licenses is up in the air at the minute."<p>The first clause ("IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE") does establish what state's driver's licenses will be considered acceptable.<p>However, correct me if I'm wrong, but *YOU* said...<p>"Out of state driver's licenses are not considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law."<p>That statement seems pretty fucking overarching. Not, "SOME out of state driver's licenses are not considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law." Not, "SOME out of state driver's licenses ARE considered proof of residence for the purposes of this law." You pretty fucking clearly said that out of state licenses are NOT considered proof of residency when, also quite clearly, it explicitly states IN THE LAW that SOME are considered proof, despite your specious claim about "most analysts agreeing."<p>By the way, for someone so critical of actual examples and a lack of non-existent statistics, your arguments are strangely missing both these, all of the time. You'd think you might, oh, I don't know, provide some links for your assertions that "here's the thing: prove it" and "most analysts agreeing." No? No examples and statistics for you? Of course not. You just make blind assertions and criticize the examples that prove your assertions wrong.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Behrooooooz! Ahahahahahah. Ah yes, the old inside joke

    by D.Vader

    I dunno what its doing here but that made me laugh. Blast from the past.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    Wow. I love the "The Bicycle Sharer" school of argument where you take the broadest possible interpretation of every possible thing just so you can prove it wrong. Me saying "It will be difficult for people to win a wrongful arrest case" becomes "Nobody can ever win a wrongful arrest case, and if anyone ever has I'll eat my hat!" And, really? There are cases where people get found guilty of some charges but not others?! Holy shit! Well, I guess *that* proves that a wrongful arrest suit won't be easier to win if the cop also kicks the shit out of you! And as to the out-of-state issue: It has yet to be determined if *any* out-of-state licenses will be accepted, because there has yet to be a legal challenge requiring judicial interpretation--it's entirely possible they'll find that OOS licenses as a rule don't qualify because of an undue burden on police officers to know which forms of ID form other states they can and can't accept. What we *know* is that there is no explicit provision for them, and that many of them definitely will not qualify. Yeah, yeah, links, evidence, blah blah. Normally I would be all over that shit, but this is the kind of thing that is *really f'ing obvious*, and I can't be bothered.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Shit. I guess every street fight I've ever seen is a riot.

    by Lenny Nero

    Whaddya know?

  • May 6, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I'm sick of all these fuckin wetbacks

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    Southern California looks like an overbloated Tiujana overflowing with illegal mexican gangbangers, thugs, and low-lifes mooching off our taxes using foodstamps to buy Budweiser to while watching some stupid retarded boring soccer game, FUCK soccer and fuck that annoying mexican music with faggy horns and shit. Well at least they buy american beer, Budweiser. Oh wait, Budweiser got bought up by some pussy European country like Poland or some shit so the motherfuckers don't even drink a beer like Coors or Sierra Nevada so THEYRE FUCKING USELESS

  • May 6, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I live in arizona and support the bill...

    by Warcraft

    I'm half puerto rican half black, so I more than fall into the category of people who will be asked for papers if I fuck up some other way. i don't care, doesn't bug me at all. fucking hate most mexicans anyway. the only ones i like are the ones i work with.

  • May 6, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    It's too bad....

    by SuburbanJedi

    that Jan-Michael Vincent isn't acting anymore...he would have been a good addition to the cast. Remember his turn as the border patrolman in Born In East LA?

  • May 6, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    oh this movie looks pretty sweet btw

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    even if the cinematography does look like Days of Our Lives

  • May 6, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    technoman

    by cyberskunk

    I agree, the Apple laptop was strange. I don't know if it's supposed to take place in the '70s or not, but the trailer had a '70s feeling.<p> I feel a little cynical about the adjusted trailer deciding to capitalize on the AZ bill for publicity.

  • May 6, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    WRPussyJuice...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...funnier than some of Lenny Bruce's routines.

  • May 6, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives... we're not a democracy.

    by SunTzu77

    We're a constitutional republic. We are not a democracy and "democracy" is no where to be found in the constitution. <br> <br> "“Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths." (James Madison, Federalist Paper #10) <br> "” … that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.”" Edmund Randolph (1787 Constitutional Convention) <br> <br> “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” John Adams <br> <br>

  • May 6, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    This talkback has seriously devolved

    by JackSlater4

  • May 6, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    the Arizona law isn't racist

    by RefutetheHype

    I'm black. I live in this country. I'm British. I have documents. Wow.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    zb.brox, do you ever get tired of being wrong? Ever?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "The broadest possible interpretation of every possible thing just so you can prove it wrong?" First, you're wrong. Second, you're wrong. And, third, you're wrong.<p>The broadest possible interpretation? YOU SAID: ""here's the thing (about wrongful arrest): prove it." You didn't say "wrongful arrest is SOMETIMES hard to prove." You clearly implied that "the thing" about wrongful arrest (not some, all, by definition of the fact that you said "wrongful arrest" not "SOME" or "SOMETIMES") is that it's hard to prove. That's not a "broad" interpretation of what you said. It's THE literal thing that you said.<p>You did not say "it will be difficult." You said "here's the thing: prove it!" Anyone but a hair-splitting, backtracking, full of shit obfuscator knows EXACTLY what you were saying - that "the thing" about wrongful arrest is proving it.<p>Do you realize what a ridiculous position you've contorted yourself into? Dude, if you had said "it's difficult" or "sometimes," I'd have had NO FUCKING ISSUE WITH YOU SAID. But you didn't.<p>In a misguided effort to imply that the Arizona law was a problem for a reason that you literally made up and pulled out of your ass, you said that proving wrongful arrest was "the thing." You understand that? You said it, right?<p>What did you mean by "the thing" if not to imply a large problem? Do you actually expect me or any other rational person to believe that you're railing against "the thing" with the Arizona law is that it's sometimes "difficult to win a wrongful arrest case?" Seriously? That's what you're now claiming? LOFL!<p>Who would argue with that? Yes, it's sometimes difficult to win ANY FUCKING CASE, but that AIN'T WHAT YOU SAID and AIN'T WHAT YOU IMPLIED. Period.<p>Now, I know that you feel that I contort your words, meanings, and implications "to prove you wrong," but, despite what your mother may have taught you, the world doesn't revolve around you and I don't spend my time refuting bland and blase "sometimes x occurs" statements because, in fact, SOMETIMES X DOES OCCUR!!!<p>BUT THAT AIN'T WHAT YOU SAID.<p>And nice try on the "out-of-state issue," too. Well, not fucking really. Actually, piss poor effort. 'Cause one a-fucking-gain, you DID NOT SAY "it has yet to be determined if *any* out-of-state licenses will be accepted, because there has yet to be a legal challenge requiring judicial interpretation." That's ridiculous inane bullshit. See, once again, genius, the law is the law is the law is the law is the law --- and YOU SAID "the status of out-of-state licenses is up in the air at the minute." But, once a-fucking-gain, that ain't correct and by the logic of your own statement it cannot be. If nothing is "challenged in court" then it CANNOT BY DEFINITION be up-in-the-air. If there isn't a legal question (read: "case disputing") then it can't be "up-in-the-air" 'cause until it's disputed in court then THE WORDS IN THE BILL STAND!!!<p>"IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION."<p>That's not fucking "up-in-the-air" or ambiguous or disputed by "most analysts." It's a fucking fact.<p>It may be entirely possible they'll find that OOS licenses as a rule don't qualify because of an undue burden on police officers to know which forms of ID form other states they can and can't accept, but that is NOT up-in-the-air until the moment that some retarded ass clown fucking decides to sue. So, AT THE MOTHERFUCKING MOMENT, it is entirely NOT UP-IN-THE-AIR about the status of out-of-state licenses. It's pretty fuckin' clear. And again, for those too fucking dense to read (and instead make up imaginary court cases and delusive litigants):<p>"IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION."<p>What YOU *know* is that there is no explicit provision for out-of-state licenses, and that many of them definitely will not qualify. What the rest of us who know how to read and don't make up illusive court cases and fairy-tale "analysts" know is that:<p>"IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION."<p>See, the rest of live in the real world.<p>"Yeah, yeah, links, evidence, blah blah?" Yeah, I bet "normally [you] would be all over that shit, but this is the kind of thing that you spend time making up in fairy tale fantasy land with imaginary litigants and analysts while criticizing the evidence and statistics and ACTUAL FUCKING WORDS IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING BILL that the rest of us provide as support of what is real.<p>You can't be bothered with truth, evidence, reality, and reading? That's fucking obvious.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Great homage to '60s grindhouse trailers

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Invokes the AIP, New World and Group I cheese. But the Arizona "message" handicaps the drive-in milieu (counterproductive to pure, undiluted nostalgia; looks like an insert that Corman would have contrived to buy into topicality). Notice that Lindsay Lohan is saddled with only a freeze frame (the raggedy party girl is now playing Linda Lovelace; low budget will probably circumvent "insurance" problems). Can't buy Jessica Alba in this film (but, face it, she's been cast in a surplus of commercial flops..this one can't hurt). And Robert DeNiro? Give that man a couple of Bill Castle remakes (the Price role in THE TINGLER...or, wait, MR. SARDONICUS).

  • May 6, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    God this looks fucking stupid...

    by kjmad25

    ...and I mean really, really fucking stupid. I've never felt so disinterested about anything. Except naked men. I'm pretty disinterested in them.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Some people don't know or are ignorant

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes I'm wrong and I admit it and learn something.<p>But some people refuse to learn or admit that they didn't know or that they were wrong. They steadfastly cling to their ignorance, fantasies and just being wrong despite all evidence of the truth to the contrary.<p>Good luck with that zb.brox of "where's your evidence and proof, but I don't have to give any besides the ones I have in magical fantasy land" fame!

  • May 6, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Harry's not a liberal

    by thegreatwhatzit

    He's just parroting Hollywood propaganda. He may be invited to another L.A. party--if, of course, he improves upon his past performance as a busboy. Obama is no longer a superhero--maybe as "Hulaman" or whatever, but the polls reflect his fraternity with sinister racist Harry Reid and spendthrift(your tax dollars) Nancy Pelosi. I voted for Obama. One word: oops!

  • May 6, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    MEANWHILE, WHITE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TASED

    by BringingSexyBack

    in ballparks and there's not a talkback in sight to debate it. Way to betray your race, Harry.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Don't taze me bro!

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    Police State 4 is out, http://tinyurl.com/2faue54, www.infowars.com

  • May 6, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I FIND THE HISTRIONICS FROM THESE IMMIGRANT ADVOCACY GROUPS

    by BringingSexyBack

    disturbing. Something stinks to high hell about the level of outrage here. <P> To call for the boycott of an entire state is bugnuts. Arizonans are still our fellow Americans. Illegals are not. I sure as shit will not boycott AZ over this. <P> Sure we can debate the law and amend it so it's fair and does not allow for the mistreatment of citizens, nor violate our civil rights ... but I will NEVER take the side of an illegal over an American. Fuck the ACLU and La Raza. Build the fucking wall already. Tired of this shit.

  • May 6, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Speaking of histrionics ^^^^^^^

    by BumLove

  • May 6, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I almost shit in my pants watching this

    by Ferf Muckmeyer

    Machete looks FUCKING awesome.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    "We're a constitutional republic."

    by BurnHollywood

    Specifically, we're a FEDERAL constitutional republic. That first word always gets left out by righties, because it pretty much delivers a foot to the balls of the notion of "States Rights".<p> That's not a minor omission, either...last I checked, we fought the costliest war in American history over that one word.<p> The irony is, of course, that the Arizona law is so insurmountable because it's actually reinforcing federal law...

  • May 6, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks BumLove (re: sin city 2 update)

    by moonlightdrive

  • May 6, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Tacoloft

    Agreed.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    It is crucial

    by Tacoloft

    that Obama and the extreme left get all the votes they can before 2012. 1. Make Puerto Rico the 51st state (more votes) http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2010/04/28/puerto-rico-51st-state-congress-scrambling-to-make-it-so/ and 2. legalize every illegal alien in the U.S. The progs don’t care if they piss off a ton of businesses and the public because they can BUY MORE VOTES using fascism with a smiley face. “Do it for the children” “Do it for the environment” “Do it for the Latino community” basically everyone must conform or you are automatically dubbed a racist, polluter, child hater, ect… The propaganda of quote-unquote “intolerance” is bullshit. Americans need to grow some balls and stand up to these tactics. Common sense trumps feelings.

  • May 6, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer--

    by zb.brox

    Jesus, you're really treading all over my already-tenuous desire to play nice. You are so *astonishingly* full of fucking shit it's amazing. Anyone who has even half a mind to have a fair argument (or half a mind in general) would interpret "Here's the thing about wrongful arrest: prove it" exactly the way it was intended: WRONGFUL ARREST IS HARD TO PROVE. It's a well-known fucking fact, and if you are such an ignorant fuck up that you need me to cite *common fucking knowledge*, fine, read up, jackass:<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arrest <p>http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/false-arrest.cfm <p>http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/sue_cop_false_arrest.htm <p>http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24891 <p>http://www.criminallawmi.com/PracticeAreas/Police-Misconduct-False-Arrest.asp <p><p>So, yes, proving your case is "the thing" about a wrongful arrest case. It's fucking difficult, and just because it HAS been done doesn't mean that threat is going to be keeping cops in line 'cause most of the time it doesn't fucking work. Even lawyers who specialize in protecting civil rights against police abuse know that's usually a tough fucking case. <p><p>Oh, and second? It doesn't matter how many times you post the same fucking piece of text, it doesn't mean shit if you DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. Once again, that applies ONLY to IDs where proving legal residency is a prerequisite. That means it does NOT include many state licenses. And we won't know for sure what it DOES mean and which it WILL include until it goes to COURT, because that's how our fucking country WORKS. This is fucking FIFTH GRADE SOCIAL STUDIES, DUDE. Legislature writes a law, executives execute it, JUDGES interpret it. The law is written. The cops work under the executive, and they'll execute it as *they* interpret it first. That's part of how the executive gets away with so much shit--until a judge tells them otherwise, they can pretty much interpret a law however they want. We'll see what the judges say about the necessity of accepting out of state licenses. Until we have a ruling, or some kind of official statement of intent from the Executive in the state, we won't fucking know. Don't believe me? Well the fucking Mayor of Phoenix thinks they won't work, and Fox News agrees it's unclear. *Fox News*. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/25/arizona-immigration-law-puts-seniors-kids-risk-arrest/<p><p>So, y'know, feel free to write another long, pointless tirade about how my argument's bullshit without actually saying a *single true fucking thing*. That's fine, it's your right as an American. And unlike you, I'm all for standing up for your fucking rights, no matter what a little prick you're deciding to be in this debate.

  • May 7, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by Tacoloft

    Are you saying that wrongful arrests only apply to minorities? If so then isn’t that in and of itself a form of racism? If wrongful arrests occur across all races then what is the big deal? Everybody is now equally wronged. Isn’t that what lefty’s want- everyone to be equal regardless if it is in mediocrity or misery?

  • May 7, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    by RAVENL0RD

    Holy crap. This is a big talkback. People feel strongly about politics, I see. Now, if only we all acted like civilized human beings when discussing these politics. It is hard to take anyone seriously who types "Fuck (insert something here). Also, I hate dealing with illegal immigrants. So many of them that I deal with use their children as the translator. That is just dumb. That's the great thing about LEGAL immigrants. They take the time to learn the language. If I was going to move to France, I would take the time to learn French. Also, I don't see the problem with this law. It is barely a law, in fact. It is more so an reinforcement of the existing federal law that the government doesn't take the time to enforce itself. The illegals pay no income tax. We do. The government turns a blind eye to them, but you try not paying your taxes. See how that works out for you.

  • May 7, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Relax, Warcraft...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Everyone hates Puerto Ricans, too. Just came back from NY, and more than a few people told me to watch out for your kind.

  • May 7, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    ILLEGAL search and siezure is wrong and uname...wait.

    by gotilk

    oh, you'll only be searching Mexicans? Oh, yeah dat's coo. Goes to show, most of these people who say they "love freedom" are full of shit and would give up almost anything at the drop of a hat if it meant they'd be 4 percent more comfortable than before, 2 percent safer(even if it's a false safety) or it made their neighborhoods 1 percent whiter. Fuck Arizona. Let 'em secede. And if you love America so goddamned much, be an American for a change. <br><br> Some kids where I live decided Cinco De Mayo was the one day they'd wear their American flag shirts to school. Tried to turn it into a Fox news-like fake controversy. "See!! Look!! This isn't our country anymore! Our kids can't even wear an American flag shirt to school!" But the message was clear to this approximately half-Mexican-American school. <br><br>"You think this is your day? Your school? Think again... we're white. That means we're in charge."<br><br>Looked like the kids of redneck pussy crank-heads, with their crew-cuts and their "we're just bein' patriotic" BS story. Then why just that day? Now it's this big local issue, people choosing sides, trying to turn it into a story it's not. You know why the Mexican kids don't show up for school on the fourth of July wearing the Mexican flag? Because their parents don't listen to douchebags on Conservative talk radio and Fox news. And because they don't have their older generation trying to turn them into hate-bots. So yes, fuck you Arizona. Why not just come clean and be men about it instead of hiding behind your usual bullshit?

  • May 7, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    And if you cannot take anything seriously

    by gotilk

    just because they used the word "fuck", seriously.. grow up.

  • May 7, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    fuckin right

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • May 7, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    fuck

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • May 7, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    fuck

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • May 7, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    LIBERALS!

    by JaimeFoxx

    Those handsome bastards...

  • May 7, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    ZB and Bicycle!

    by JaimeFoxx

    I'm very much enjoying the discussion that the two of you are having. <br> <br> And I don't mean that in the sense of taking some form of sick pleasure from watching to people debate. It's really quite good reading!

  • May 7, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/27norm7

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • May 7, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    The movie looks AWESOME.

    by Ironhelix

    The politics however, are FUCKED UP. Try illegally immigrating to Mexico and see how that works out for you. Hope you like getting buttfucked by Federales, and then thrown into a Mexican prison to rot for the rest of your life. Fuck you unicorn-riding, rainbow-tasting, bleeding-heart liberals who don't have any idea how the real world actually works.

  • May 7, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Ironhelix, you wanna talk fucked up?

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Try allowing these people into the country, hiring them to pick the fruits and vegetables we eat, hiring them to mow your lawns and clean your offices, then turning around and blaming them for the economic meltdown. If any of you had any balls, you would take on Wall Street with that same fervor (and not just after Obama took office). Then again, if you want to know where the last trillion went, go look in Iraq. It's all there. Fetch.

  • May 7, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    If you are a white teenager and go to Rosarito for spring break

    by dailysportspages

    And act a fool breaking their laws... you are illegal too. <br> But Mexico doesnt try to deport you.<br> The cop just charges you 20-40 bucks and lets you go on your way. <br> If we had bribes in the USA but the cops had turn over the money to the city... we would fix a lot of our budget shortcomings.

  • May 7, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood...

    by SunTzu77

    You can believe whatever you want...but, you're wrong. <br> John Adams called us a constitutional republic, "A government of laws, and not of men." <br> The framers, etc. were very specific about states' rights. <br> "I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: that “all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.”…To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. (Thomas Jefferson, Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. III, p. 146, “Opinion Against the Constitutionality of a National Bank,” February 15, 1791) <br> "The capital and leading object of the Constitution was to leave with the states all authorities which respected their own citizens only, and to transfer to the United States those which respected citizens of foreign or other states….Can any good be effected by taking from the states the moral rule of their citizens and subordinating it to the general [federal] authority?...Such an intention was impossible and...[would] break up the foundations of the Union…. I believe the states can best govern our home concerns, and the general [federal] government our foreign ones. I wish, therefore…never to see all offices transferred to Washington, where, further withdrawn from the eyes of the people, they may more secretly be bought and sold as at market" (Thomas Jefferson, Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XV, pp. 448-451, letter to Judge William Johnson, June 12, 1823.) <br> "Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single [federal] government. Public servants at such a distance, and from under the eye of their constituents, must, from the circumstance of distance, be unable to administer and overlook all the details necessary for the good government of the citizens and...will invite the public agents to corruption, plunder, and waste." (Thomas Jefferson, Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. X, p. 167, letter to Gideon Granger, August 13, 1800.) <br> Madison then warned that if the federal government was not kept limited, it would soon usurp state jurisdictions: <br> If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the “general welfare,” and are the sole and supreme judges of the “general welfare,” [then Congress might] take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every state, county, and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision for the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than [the] post-roads; in short, everything from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police would be thrown under the power of [the federal] Congress. (Jonathan Elliott, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. IV, p. 429, James Madison on “The Cod Fishery Bill,” February 7, 1792.) <br> Being an instrument of limited and enumerated powers, it follows irresistibly that what is not conferred is withheld and belongs to the state authorities….All powers not delegated…and not prohibited are reserved [to the states]. (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (Boston: Hilliard, Gray, and Company, 1833), Book III, pp. 712-713, Chapter XLIV, § 1009-1010. Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. II, pp. 612- 613, §1907-1908.) <br>

  • May 7, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    You wanna know how the real world works?

    by gotilk

    Then try to remember that you have to be functionally retarded to want to immigrate to Mexico. That's the "real world". And it IS the point! Who the hell wants to immigrate to Mexico. Are you sure you wouldn't like a summer home in Palestine? And I agree there with Fa Fa Fooey, seriously... fetch Fido. You want to blame a scapegoat for the financial crisis, go look back to the Bush years and that bullshit "beat the terrorists by being unrealistically financially optimistic.. SPEND, SHOP!" message he was spewing to his huddled masses after we were attacked. The financial crisis was spawned from a system that depends on constant growth, optimism in the face of a crisis that requires restraint, markets that play more like horse betting than business, de-regulation in all the wrong places while the general public is butt-fucked by more regulation and MOST of all... (no-one is willing to admit this) landlords and property management/owners. That's right. The whole country is seeking the exact same American dream.. Home OWNERSHIP. But the problem is, property prices are so out of control (based again on this constant growth or failure expectation) that the average citizen must mortage their entire future to feed the dream. There's more than one way to live a life, but we've all had a singular vision fed to us our entire lives. A singular, unflinching vision that cannot be supported by the financial system that barely props it up. The people with real money KNOW this and have calculated just how much of your life and life's work they can suck dry before you crack. And before the system that makes this profitable for them will crack. The thing is, they got it wrong , as they always do eventually, get too greedy and it backfires. People who try to over-complicate it and act like it's something just out of your understanding or pay grade are doing so because they gain from doing so. There is absolutely NO reason for home and rent prices to be as high as they are considering average pay for full time work OTHER than greed. Greed isn't capitalism and capitalism isn't greed.. unless it's unregulated. Free market bullshit is just that. It's the conservative version of the liberal pollyanna perfect world scenarios. Neither side will ever make that scenario happen, whether it's a welfare that that no-one takes advantage of or the idea of an actual "free market". Both are bullshit. Trust me, it's only a free market if you own the market. The little guy is regulated out while the ones claiming to want to do away with regulation make sure that you never have an "in" to their pot of gold. But keep listening to your Fox news shows and your conservative radio puppets telling you it's being done for your benefit. That if you "work hard and play by the rules, you have just as good a chance as the next guy to make it in America". Bullshit. Work does not lead to riches in this country. Hasn't for 50 years. Why? Because your average Joe is so busy paying outrageous bills just to get by (600 dollar studio apartments? with 90 dollar electric bills? Come on!! Why do we all accept that?) that he has NO time and NO money to take the risks and make the effort needed to create, innovate, invent.. start-up. You wanna fix the economy? Start with getting rent controls back. Fix the patent and copyright systems so that people who innovate are not stifled by lawsuits and people who do nothing but BUY BS, obvious patents are put in jail instead of allowed to put others out of business by claiming to invent things like the DOUBLE CLICK or the shopping cart. Control the auto insurance industry who does nothing much except suck just enough money out of young people so that they lead uneventful, unproductive, worker bee lives. Stop health and medicine from being an industry that resembles las vegas more than it does medicine.<br><br> Instead of spending 55 thousand a year keeping potheads in prison, spend 12 thousand a year giving them rent money and food money so that if they should so choose to live in their parents basement and smoke their lives away, at least they aren't sucking our economy dry. Business needs to start following rules like the rest of us. Right now they utilize code words like "regulation" in order to make sure that while we have a thousand rules we MUST follow in our lives... they can get away with just about anything.<br><br> You want de-regulation again? Start with people first and I'll come on board. Until then, I say it's time business, especially since they now want to be known as "people" and have the same rights as people, starts to follow a few rules as well. Rules are NOT socialism. That bubble should have burst a LONG time ago, but people are still listening to the puppet talking heads spewing the same old shit they always have. You were HAD. Duped. Figured out. Used. Wake the fuck up.

  • May 7, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I mean...

    by SunTzu77

    If you want me to keep supplying quotes dealing with "states rights"... I can. I'm far from being a Republican. I just don't feel like typing out all the views of Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, George Mason, James Wilson, Elbridge Gerry, Thomas McKean, Richard Henry Lee, Luther Martin, James Monroe and a plethora of others. I'll give you the info to read it for yourself. In order of those listed... <br> <br> Samuel Adams, The Writings of Samuel Adams, Harry Alonzo Cushing, editor (New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1908), Vol. IV, pp. 330-332, letter to Elbridge Gerry, August 22, 1789. <br> <br> Jonathan Elliot, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. III, pp. 149-150, Patrick Henry, June 7, 1788; Vol. III, pp. 156, 161, 174, Patrick Henry, June 9, 1788, at the Virginia Ratifying Convention for the U. S. Constitution. <br> <br> John Elliot, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. III, pp. 271- 272, George Mason, June 11, 1788, at the Virginia Ratification Convention for the U. S. Constitution. <br> <br> Jonathan Elliot, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. II, pp. 456-457, 481- 482, James Wilson, December 4, 1787, at the Pennsylvania Ratification Convention for the U. S. Constitution. <br> <br> Max Farrand, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 165-166, June 8, 1787; Vol. II, p. 317, August 17, 1787; Vol. II, p. 362, August 21, 1787; etc., Elbridge Gerry speaking at the Constitutional Convention. <br> <br> Jonathan Elliot, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. II, pp. 537- 538, 540, Thomas M’Kean, December 11, 1787. <br> <br> Jonathan Elliot, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution (Washington, 1836), Vol. III, p. 186, Richard Henry Lee, June 9, 1788, at the Virginia Ratification Convention for the U. S. Constitution. <br> <br> Max Farrand, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. III, p. 284, Luther Martin’s Reply to the Landholder [Oliver Ellsworth], March 14, 1788; and Vol. III, pp. 286-287, Luther Martin’s Reply to the Landholder [Oliver Ellsworth], March 19, 1788; and Vol. III, p. 295-296, Luther Martin’s Letter to the Citizens of Maryland, March 25, 1788. <br> <br> James D. Richardson, Messages and Papers of the Presidents (Washington, D. C.: Government Printing Office, 1899), Vol. II, pp. 152- 155, James Monroe, “Views of the President of the United States on the Subject of Internal Improvements,” May 4, 1822. <br>

  • May 7, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST

    There's some really nice spots near the beaches of Mexico

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I wouldn't mind living there, for a while anyways. After a while the mexicans spitting on the ground where I walk would get old tho and I'd probably get in a fight, get stabbed and die eventually.

  • May 7, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    You wanna know how the real world works?

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    www.infowars.com

  • May 7, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Bill Murray reads poetry to construction workers

    by BumLove

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj_LYsvGF0E&feature=popt00us02

  • May 7, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    By the way the Stock Market is doing..

    by Stalkeye

    we'll all be picking vegatables alongside the mexicans.:P

  • May 7, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    FIRST BATTLE OF THE ARIZONA RACE WAR HAS BEGUN:

    by BringingSexyBack

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFmWipioeg

  • May 7, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is fucking terrible

    by NightArrows

    She's a shit actress and ruins everything she's in. I could give a shit about how hot she is because she'll never doff the top. Playing a stripper that keeps her clothes on? Really? Fuck off. She's as talented as Paris Hilton in front of the lens. Otherwise, bring on Machete!

  • Because there are different breeds of liberals. One breed came out in full force during the race between Hillary/Obama race...it's the breed of white racist liberals. They are the most annoying liberal of them all. Constantly preaching, using liberalism to seem compassionate, but they are only liberal when it comes to anything non-race related. As soon as an issue related to race comes to the fore, they immediately cross the aisle to join their white conservative brethren and show their solidarity with them. <p> They usually preface their statements with "I'm as liberal as they get, but...". That's a common one. The old stereotype that only a conservative can be racist has been shattered. These aisle crossing liberals are the proof. I think we may have one of them around here in these parts....

  • May 7, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Tracey Morgan called it on SNL all those years ago

    by D.Vader

    On Weekend Update.... <p> "ALL OUT RACE WAR!!!"

  • May 7, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    HAH BSB! That Hispanic kid got what he deserved

    by D.Vader

    If you're gonna be an ass and keep provoking someone to fight, well you're playing with fire, and that moron got his ass handed to him with one punch.

  • May 7, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I'll check and see how the STALK Market is doing

    by D.Vader

    *Turns on Animal Crossing for the DS*

  • May 7, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    for the love of Christ...

    by only1

    STOP saying ARIZONA is racist!!! The state isn't... it's the fuckhole elected officials grasping at straws. they're the assholes. They make me ashamed of my homestate...

  • May 7, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    tacoloft--

    by zb.brox

    Two things:<p>First, lets assume wrongful arrests happen to everyone of every race equally. Uh, so what? Are you saying you're okay with a law that forces American citizens to carry around their papers to avoid arrest? Exactly what country do you want to live in, here? This is supposed to be the land of the fricking free, not the land of the people who carry ID on them at all times to avoid arrest. <p>Second, wrongful arrests may happen to everyone, but lets be honest: This is a law to combat illegal immigration, and in the mind of the public--especially in border states--that means Hispanics. Which means citizens who are Hispanic, speak Spanish, or just *look* Hispanic, are going to suffer more than other races. The law may not be racist in its language, but it certainly empowers racists.

  • May 7, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    VADER - BE CAREFUL WITH THAT CRAIGSLIST THING TODAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Make sure you check in with us afterwards.

  • May 7, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    I just met the guy, BSB

    by D.Vader

    Someone had shot some footage with a rented camera and returned the camera before realizing he still had one tape left. I told him I could do the transfer for him. Luckily, he only wanted to drop off the tape and go about his business and he had a legit website. So everything is cool. <p> But after reading that story last night, I definitely considered saying "Let's meet at the library and do the work there." But, like I said, the guy had no interest in hanging out. Just wanted to drop off the package and go, so it all worked out. Thanks for the headsup and the concern, though.

  • May 7, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    GOOD DEAL VADER

    by BringingSexyBack

    That was a fucked up story tho. It was Henry for real.

  • May 7, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Biggest Fail in Talkback History

    by porterdsgn

  • May 7, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Liberals are pure evil

    by Kentuckian

    Every leftist is an enemy of the United States. They are aggressively anti-American. Their policies are opposed to the constitution-as-amended. They are, fortunately, a tiny minority. They should all leave this country, but they want the benefits brought by the things conservatives try to conserve...