May 4, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST
May 4, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST
I live in Denver. In fact, I went to a rally for this woman where both Thompson and Warren Zevon spoke (both dead now - weird). It's a little more complex than the way you've relayed it here. This woman hired two men she met in a bar to break into her old apartment and get all her stuff because her ex-boyfriend had locked her out. They were caught in the act, escaped and it turned into a huge car chase all the way across town. When they finally got out and ran, they got into a shootout with police and ended up killing a cop. I think the men themselves were killed. She was arrested, as the only one left living and as the person who initiated the tragic chain of events by hiring these guys. She said she had no idea they had a gun or would do anything like that, which I'm sure is true, but it was true that she acted stupidly. The police were intent on making her (someone) pay. They sentenced to her some ridiculous amount of years in prison, and then people started to take up her cause and work to get it shortened. I think what added to it was she had a small child, if I remember right. Anyway, that's the story. It certainly could make an interesting movie - but there's some grey area there, it's not completely black and white.
May 4, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST
I've actually worked for MPCA as a screenwriter - they really suck. So factor that in as well.
May 4, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST
Do they still suck now when you don't work for them anymore?
May 4, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Doesn't seem all that grey to me, sounds entirely the fuck up of the two guys she hired to get her stuff back. She just wanted her stuff back, that she hired some burglars to get it back doesn't have much to do with anyone getting shot later on that I can see. That's solely the responsibility of the two fuck ups. Not very fucking professional there. If you hire a guy to mow your yard and he robs and murders your neighbor, pretty sure that's just the lawnmower man's fault. People just look down on her as lower class and deserving to be punished because she knowingly hired/consorted with thieves. If there's some sort of punishment for hiring your own repomen then that should of been the end of it.
May 4, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST
No, you're right, they're much better now that they've dumped me. But the movie DONNIE DARKO sure does suck.
May 4, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST
She wasn't hiring someone to mow her lawn, she was hiring too lowlifes in a bar to break into an apartment. She didn't know they had criminal records and guns, but she wasn't hiring them because they were boy scouts either. It could be argued that someone with common sense would realize this might not be a good idea. They could have just been caught by the boyfriend and violence would have ensued that way, so...I don't think she's completely innocent. She just didn't deserve such an absurdly punitive sentence.
May 4, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST
May 4, 2010, 4:22 a.m. CST
Of course she wouldn't be responsible for a cop being killed. She had absolutley nothing to do with that. You might aswell find the manufacturer of the gun guilty if you think she is guilty.
May 4, 2010, 4:30 a.m. CST
He just told some people he was taking care of to kill some other people. <P> He's still in jail the last time I checked.<P> It's called guilt by association. <P>Oh but it's ok because this woman didn't know these men had guns or that they would do that.<P> Well what if they killed the cops barehanded. Could she defend herself the same way. So, it's ok to commit a crime when it involves stuff you own, and if someone catches you doing it, and they get killed. Well fuck them... <P> If this was a man and not a woman. That fucker would be rotting in a jailcell for the rest of his life. <P> Charlie didn't know they would actually do it either. Didn't help him escape a life sentence. <P> Be careful who you ask to kill for you. They just might do it, and you will pay for it.
May 4, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST
Well, the enormous difference is, Manson told them kill, she didn't. If I ask someone to protect me because I feel threatened, and they go rob a bank. I'm not responsible for robbing the bank. If I tell them to go rob a bank and they do that. Then I'm responsible as well for robbing the bank. That is the difference. It's pretty clear cut. If you cheat on your taxes, you're not responsible for the IRS man killing his family.
May 4, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST
You hire someone to commit a crime, it makes you guilty. So the issue here is not that she's innocent of a crime, but she's innocent of the crime she didn't hire those guys to commit. But if you go and rob a bank, and one of the guys you are robbing the bank with shoots a cop in the process, guess what...you're guilty by association. Claiming that the plan was to not kill anybody isn't going to help you a whole lot. <p> Also, there's no guarantee that she only asked those guys to just pick up her stuff. She may have hired them to do more than that to her ex. So while she may not deserve to serve their sentence for the crime she didn't pay for, she certainly isn't innocent.
May 4, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST
because thats what sounds to me to be.
May 4, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST
Manson did most likely commit murder, shooting a drug dealer in Hollywood. In addition, he actually accompanied the Family to the LaBianca house and tied them up. These cases are totally different and cannot even be compared. I do agree with your point, though, that women can get sympathy in the justice systems easier than men can.
May 4, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
We got to Charlie Manson! He was a fucking madman who led a cult and sent his people out to kill. But Bumlove is right. Once you initiate a criminal activiy, no matter how innocuous it may seem, if it somehow leads to violence or injury, you can be held accountable. That's why "in the commission of a crime" is such an important phrase. It gives you the responsibility of crossing that line. It doesn't matter what your intent was. Even if you were playing a prank and someone died because of it, you could be charged. In this case, it was just taken to an extreme because a policeman died.
May 4, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST
Depp must always play Thompson. If for some reason he can't, I'll take Cusack for 500
May 4, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST
Cusack's voice is not low enough to play Hunter.
May 4, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST
Depp won out. I can see the physical similarities between Hunter and Cusack. This film doesn't seem to warrant Depp's presence. I could see Cusack taking it. Depp is above this material.
May 4, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST
As i remember,Lisl Almuns friends charachterized her as a "dead head"and these henchmen as "skinheads",which were a big problem here in Denver in the 90's
May 4, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST
commit a felony and you're guilty of the murders your accomplices do. usually it works like this: there's a getaway driver in a bank robbery and the robbers in the bank kill someone. the driver is guilty of murder as well.
May 4, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST
Hunter S Thompson movies should become a genre unto themselves. I love that man.<p> Excelsior!
May 4, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST
There's no need to have broad strokes like that when dealing with people's lives.
May 4, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST
There's a plethora of movies to be found in his works. Hell's Angels, The Rum Diary, Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail, several stories in The Great Shark Hunt, The Curse Of Lono. All of them would work well, if done right. Speaking of one of them: What the fuck happened to The Rum Diary? I do remember a fax from the doc published on this very website to get things moving, but it's been quiet ever since as far as I know...
May 4, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST
... about how these innocents who hire burglars who then shoot it out with the cops are always fucked by the system. she wasted a few years of her life in prison, so it wasn't a complete loss for society.
May 4, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Yeah they all just must instantly be "lowlifes" because they're burglars and she's constorting with them, so fuck em. Forget how it's her own stuff being kept from her, I'm sure you would have done completely different if you were her or in her situation. Thanks for proving my point asshole.
May 4, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST
Thompson wins by <clenched teeth>DRINKING THOSE COCK-SUCKING SWINE BACK INTO THEIR GOD-DAMNED GRAVES! PS Big fan of the Venture Bros shoutout to Thompson, Col. Hunter Gathers. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look that shit up and let your brain take a nice warm bath.
May 4, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Release it please.
May 4, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST
They're lowlifes alright. Didn't they prove it by shooting and killing a cop?? What am I missing? Are you defending them or her? Why am I an asshole? Whatever, dude.
May 4, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST
May 5, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST
Hugs and sunshine.<p> Trust me, it works.
May 5, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST
...for stealing her own stuff by hiring armed criminals. Do you also support OJ Simpson for stealing back his own stuff? I mean, it was his stuff, right?
May 5, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST
I don't know why they haven't released a trailer, but I believe it comes out late in the year. The silence regarding the film doesn't bode well....the director doesn't have much of a track record.
May 5, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST
A 4 foot 8' Mexicano hires a bunch of buddies to rob an apartment because his white, blonde haired blue-eyed ex-girlfriend has his leather boots, and his Santana records. In the process, his Mexican buddies shoot a blonde-haird blue-eyed cop and get killed themselves. Oh, and they all have green cards. <p> Does the scenario change?
May 5, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST
As are most of the "law-and-order mandatory-sentence" laws passed in the last 20 or so years. Most are written to allow no leeway in interpretation because they were rammed through by the right-wing law-and-order wackos who didn't want the "goddamn liberal judges" to have any choice in the matter. Example: a member of my family took some friends with him to buy a few grams of weed. They went in while he stayed in the car. Turns out they pulled guns and robbed the dealer. So, for giving some guys a ride, he spends a few years in prison and is labeled a felon for the rest of his life. The DA was all "if I had a choice you wouldn't be on trial, but my hands are tied by the law."
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