April 23, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST
April 23, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST
I want it now!
April 23, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
...an orchestra. If they do a showing like that in the Bay Area I'll try and make it. But really, I just want to geek out on it at home so I can take it as slow as I want. I should look and see if they're doing the orchestral presentation around here, though.
April 23, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST
Hot to have the BR.
April 23, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST
And will pick this one up as soon as i can find a cheap seller!...ya, Im pretty broke..
April 23, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST
Can't wait to have a good looking version to watch at home... The one I have is pretty much crap.
April 23, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST
...although I guess it has a better ring to it than "The As Complete As It's Probably Gonna Get Metropolis." Still, this is cool news indeed.
April 23, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST
by The Dark Nolan
I wish more oldies but goodies were re-released in theaters. I'd pay 50 bucks to see "Lawrence of Arabia" on the big screen.
April 23, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST
April 23, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST
...couple decades of film, isn't it?
April 23, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST
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April 23, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST
"It's hard to imagine a little more cleaning/high-powered finessing by computer couldn't have resulted in more robust image quality (referring specifically to the damaged/recovered material)"... I have had the privilege to work with the restorers on this and trust me... when you look at the state of the lost footage they had to work with, they have done an amazing job. The print they worked with was a dodgy 16mm copy of the original which was duped in the 70s without being cleaned, so water stains etc were copied over to a smaller frame size. There was no possibility of cleaning this because they were now part of the image. The worked to make the image smoother but then this jarred against the other footage. In terms of reducing staining and shaking and all the other problems of this "lost" print, they worked wonders. The new footage was in some of the worst condition imaginable and the fact they've got it looking this good is nothing short of a miracle.
April 23, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST
That's exactly what I was going to say, regarding the other footage being 16 as opposed to 35mm. <p> Harry, when making technical statements, maybe actually do some homework?Especially when it's something you profess to love so much...
April 23, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST
That's exactly what I was going to say too ;)
April 23, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST
Can't wait to see it!
April 23, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST
I have no knowledge whatsoever of the difference between 16 and 35 mm but he seems to know what white_vader seems to know what Crikey_ is talking about.
April 23, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST
by Atomik Steve
April 23, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST
Old movies just don't do it for me.
April 23, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST
April 23, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST
by Mr Peanut
First off, I can't wait to see this in New York in two weeks! Thanks for the trailer link! But to the point: It's pretty offensive the way they bill this as "closest rendition ever seen since the film’s 1927 Berlin premiere" when there is abundant evidence that this was screened quite a lot in Argentina. The condition of the print, the fact that it had apparently been translated into Spanish, that somebody went to the trouble of making a 16mm copy of the original print, and, most notably, that practically every news piece I read about the discovery in 2008 cited a conversation with a projectionist who remembered how gruelingly long he had to sit turning the projector by hand for shows of Metropolis.. I don't know what to say - this is NOT the first time anybody has seen the complete Metropolis since 1927.
April 23, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST
To my sheer and delightful surprise, I learn this movie is screened in Cleveland in the middle of May! What luck, as I happen to live in one of the 'burbs. Terrific opportunity to see a film that has influenced so many others over the years, especially in my favorite genre, science fiction!
April 23, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
"It's hard to imagine a little more cleaning/high-powered finessing by computer couldn't have resulted in more robust image quality (referring specifically to the damaged/recovered material), but this still stands as an amazing and effective look at a movie which is being seen...the way its makers wanted it to be seen...for the first time in a very, very long time." English motherfucker, do you speak it?!
April 23, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST
by The UnGod
Where & When in Cleveland?
April 23, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST
Harry... didn't write the article. When criticizing, maybe read the actual article first?
April 23, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST
attention to detail IS important
April 23, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST
by Missing Dink
April 23, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST
A the Cleveland Museum of Art during the weekend of May 21st, and ONLY that weekend. Here's the quickie link: http://www.clemusart.com/events/film.aspx It's the 3rd or 4th movie listed a bit further down the page.
April 23, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST
April 24, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST
The graddaddy of all modern sci-fi in my opinion.
April 24, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST
This always angers me. Studios distribute so much CRAP on such a MASSIVE scale on a weekly basis. Why can't they make a few more prints of a CLASSIC film so it is available to ALL? Maybe ONE theatre per MAJOR city could air it. I mean, this is Metropolis, not Duce Bigalow, Medea, or talking animals. Come on studios, show some class!
April 24, 2010, 1:39 a.m. CST
Now that Real is dead, Quicktime is the worst video format around. Anybody know where the trailer can be found in any other format?
April 24, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST
What the fuck is wrong with some of you techno 'tards? It works perfectly in all flavors of windoze..the whining is fucking incredible and shows how dumb a lot of you are. LEARN TO USE.
April 24, 2010, 3:26 a.m. CST
Im seeing this in 1 hour on a huge theatre screen, with live music oerformed, as the movie rolls :o)
April 24, 2010, 4:18 a.m. CST
if you get the question mark? close down the quicktime trailer box and then press the watch now tab again. works for me.
April 24, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST
using quicktime player. but that does work.
April 24, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST
This Fritz Lang jerk needs to learn about a little thing I like to call "originality".
April 24, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST
and that's because we are seeing things today influenced by things that were influenced by things that were influenced by things that were influenced by Metropolis. <p>put it this way...any "sellout learns a lesson" story can be traced back to Faust, right? well, ANY SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE can be traced back to Metropolis. Science Fiction was barely even a literary form back then, and was inevitably horrific and allegorical (think Lovecraft, not Phillip Dick) but Metropolis showed that film was not only a viable medium for sci-fi, but the PERFECT ONE for it.<p>this is a medium where you can lie without recourse, manipulate reality, images, sound, perception, etc.. what better place to create a fictional world?<p>I will be organizing a MASSIVE party/dinner/theater viewing of this movie when it plays in Seattle. I consider the task of getting as many people to see it as possible, as important as anything else I could do, movie-wise.
April 24, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST
Done to death...even artfags don't fall for that anymore.
April 24, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST
Im just blown away by just how good a film from 1927, 83 years ago, looks almost brand new with the HD Master. Now, ive never seen this film, but i am deffently going to watch it on blu ray. Its just amazing how good it looks!
April 24, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST
April 24, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST
April 24, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST
It's annoying to see this pimped as the "full" movie. It's not. There's still some footage missing. Not much, but enough to make one wonder what's going to happen if it's found. A DVD with "The This Time Really Complete Metropolis, Seriously, We Won't Con You Again With Titles Like That, Promise"?
April 24, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
Not all, mind you, but enough. So many silent films from the 1920s look as if they are light years ahead of most of the drivel that's being released today.
April 24, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST
Great to have one of the first sci-fi films ever made coming back into the limelight...the influence of this and films like "Things to Come" is hard to overstate...
April 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST
by Tim Tringle
There is no other damned version that has more footage. Meaning that at this point in time, it's complete. Maybe we don't have all of it that existed once, but it doesn't exist any more. Get over yourselves and stop whining about how they phrase it. I mean really is there nothing people cannot find to complain about on this site. It's getting to the point it's not worth reading any more due to the constant BS in the talkbacks. The fact that they found even this footage is incredibly lucky and the odds that they will find something more complete and "USABLE" grows more faint every minute of every day from this point forward. Film begins degrading immediately after it's created, if it is not actively protected and kept stored properly it becomes garbage in a matter of years. So saying this is the Complete Metropolis is probably going to come true unless someone has a full copy sitting in a bunker somewhere.
April 24, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST
Nobody's saying they don't appreciate the effort that went into locating and restoring the new footage in this film. If anything, the only one bitching is you. And the definition of "complete" doesn't change just because the rest of the film will probably never be found.
April 24, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST
And y'all know he's right. If they find enough new footage to release it again they will more than likely call it exactly the same thing. They won't find that much footage, though. That's why this one is being called "Complete". They found a massive amount of additional footage this time. There just isn't that much left to find anymore.
April 24, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST
I definitely remember hearing about an Argentine print with the Thin Man parts in it as long ago as the 1970s.
April 24, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
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April 24, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Just fucking kidding. I'll be buying this on the BluRays for sure.
April 24, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
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April 24, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
I've seen this version already and can tell you it's still exhibited at 24 frames per second, which speeds up the action so that everybody looks like they're running around on speed. For all the millions of Euros spent to restore this mofo, you'd figure that the restoration team would figure out that it was filmed at about 20fps.<p>I can't tell you how many ill-informed folks I've come across dismiss silent cinema because the people all look funny and move at a weirdly accelerated rate. Just watch Rotwang chasing Maria around the cathedral in the climax and try to stifle a giggle! The reports of the original premiere print running around three hours is probably accurate and this new "complete" two and a half hour sped-up version would closely approximate Lang's vision if it were only shown right...
April 24, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST
Who cares what speed it was filmed at (which BTW is thought to be 16fps, not 20)? It's the speed that the director intended it to be played back at that matters, or maybe the speed it was played back at at the original premier, since that's what everyone wants is what was originally premiered in Germany. And the movie was officially premiered in Germany at 26 fps.
April 24, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST
this film is shittier then the Star Wars prequels....
April 24, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST
April 24, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST
Nah, that sounds too Monty Python-like. So I'll settle for calling it "Metropolis: The Complete Cut."
April 25, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST
Well fuck a duck, you're right. I must've got Merrick's lameness mixed up with Harry's, but yes, your point is valid, shoulda crossed my Ts and dotted my Is. But my main one still stands, which was to listen to Crikey. <p> On framerate, Chaplin actually did his performance with the faster framerate in mind!
April 25, 2010, 6:15 a.m. CST
....movie restored to a longer lenght, I have to agree with H.G.Well's critisms. It was completely non-sensical in many ways, and certainly was very off-the-mark as far as how things to come would have been conceived by many others at the time.<P>Still looks great though, although I somehow prefer the look of stylized colouration of the Moroder effort.
April 25, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST
and script the dialogue from the fight outside the Korean temple and the first two levels of the temple before Hai Tien and his associates make it to the Silat/escrima master on Level 3. CGI Bruce's face onto Donnie Yen's body or something. Finish this film. There's over 95 minutes of footage that Bruce Lee filmed. ILM needs to get involved on some level and don't let Shannon Lee taint it in any way. Her CCTV series on her dad was horrendous and lacked any input from Bruce's living friends/students.
April 25, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST
Michael Bay, take me away...
April 25, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST
Man this is fun!
April 25, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST
It is a sprawling urban tale with lots of product placement for Cold Stone Creamery.
April 25, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST
I wish I had a CD of Huppertz' original score. I saw the Kino restoration from a few years ago at the Paramount in Austin and fell in love with it.
April 25, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST
That was awesome, watching a bunch of people watching the movie outside while it was snowing.
April 25, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST
be VEEERRRYY carrfulll with the words you use...u never know who may be scolling the interwebs LOOKING for these ideas...i could see it now...Bay at the helm...of....god i cant even say it..
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April 25, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST
"Who cares what speed it was filmed at (which BTW is thought to be 16fps, not 20)?" So you admit, Dreamwriter, that the faster frame rate is too fast? I've seen this latest 2009 "complete" version slowed down by 15% and it plays MUCH better. The movements of the actors are far more natural looking. When I saw the last reconstructed version theatrically a few years back, audience members were tittering during many sequences because the sped up action looked SILLY. It most certainly detracts from the drama, suspense and excitement.<p>As for the EXACT frame rate, Tarkin said it best, "This bickering is pointless." Take your pick, I've read anywhere from 16-22fps is correct. Nobody knows for sure. One thing IS for certain, 26fps is way too fast, and just because Lang didn't leave any specific notes behind doesn't make it less obvious.<p>Of course, delaying correction leaves time for the Murnau Foundation, Kino, and all the other licensees to cash in on this go 'round then re-release the super-duper cleaned-up print with a closer approximation of the optimal projection speed five to ten years hence. Lucas and Disney perfected the business model to squeeze every last buck out of an old movie - why not apply that same model to the grandaddy of all SF flicks?
April 25, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST
cover up before you get embarrassed. The codec is H.264... a top of the line codec. Yes, quicktime is a container format. Read up on your history of quicktime, and how there wouldn't even be a Windows media player if Microsoft had not literally stolen the quicktime code. <BR><BR> And are you the last two people on earth that don't have itunes installed?
April 25, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST
I guess it depends on how you look at it. The fact that Metropolis wasn't a "realistic" depiction of the future may not have been one of Fritz Lang's primary concerns. It's more widely accepted now that the way sci-fi/"science fiction"/fantasy is used in stories can change according to the author's intent. In the case of Wells, who wrote "The Way The World Is Going" and "The Shape of Things to Come," predicting the actual future was probably more important than using a fake futuristic society (complete with flesh-bots and mad scientists) as a metaphor for class struggle. I wouldn't say that makes Metropolis a "bad" film just because its vision of the future is wrong, it's just not the kind of story that would interest H.G. Wells.
April 25, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST
...considering Wells isn't exactly batting 1.000 himself when it comes to predicting the future, how plausible the story "seems" is kind of a moot point.
April 25, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST
about men all communicating on some interactive "wave-pool" and ultimately getting all squishy at the sides and developing bad eye-sight. I think it was called: "The Flame Wars" or something.
April 25, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST
Plays much better slowed down in *your* opinion. Other people think that makes the movie boring and a true pain to watch, particularly the length of time titlecards are on the screen. Yes, characters move at a more natural speed, but who is to say that's what the director wanted? Or even expected? Most silent films of that era were played back faster than they were filmed. So it makes sense that the director and actors would know about this. But as I said, the main thing to keep in mind is, the show premiered at 26 fps. That is the only framerate in which the entire movie was ever seen, before it got cut up. If people want it restored to how it was at the premier, then they also should expect it to run faster than 16 or 20 fps. Heck, back when it was in theaters, *nobody* ever saw it at 20fps.
April 26, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST
Well, it wasn't my opinion when I heard a crowd of giggles at the sped-up action.<p>"Most silent films of that era were played back faster than they were filmed." Really? I'd like to hear a definitive citation for that information. Early screen silents were, of course, hand cranked, but metronomes were used by camera operators to pace the turning. By Lang's "Metropolis" time (near the end of the silent era), precision motors were commonplace in camera equipment.<p>For more a more exacting critique of the framerate issue I recommend this review: http://tinyurl.com/metropolisfps
April 27, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST
To this framerate debate, I'd like to introduce a piece of evidence in the form of an original recording of the score as conducted by Gottfried Huppertz himself: http://tinyurl.com/38xoalu This recording is a full 23% (!) slower than the version of the score which accompanied the recent repremier in Berlin, suggesting a framerate of 19.25 fps. Personally I prefer 21 fps which strikes a good balance between the speed of the on-screen action and the real-time pacing of the story.
April 27, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST
Thanks, MrRadar, for adding this evidence to proceedings. I just plucked 20fps out of the air as a compromise between 16 and 24, but accounting for Dreamwriter's report of 26fps, I think your number of 21fps is the most reasonable choice cited for proper projection. I hope the Murnau Foundation, Kino, and the other controlling parties take it into account. Cheers!
April 28, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST
by The UnGod
I'd been scouring the schedules at the Cinematech & the Cedar Lee to no avail! Much appreciated!