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Ridley Scott Reveals ALIEN Prequel Details!!

Merrick here...
There have recently been many, many hints...some direct, some oblique...suggesting that the ALIEN prequel would somehow involve "The Space Jockey" species glimpsed in the derelict spacecraft seen in the first film.
Ridley Scott spoke to MTV about the project (now in the early stages of development), confirming that this is indeed the case. He also says quite a bit more.
"It's set in 2085, about 30 years before Sigourney [Weaver's character Ellen Ripley]," [EDIT] "It's fundamentally about going out to find out 'Who the hell was that Space Jockey?' The guy who was sitting in the chair in the alien vehicle — there was a giant fellow sitting in a seat on what looked to be either a piece of technology or an astronomer's chair. Remember that?" [EDIT] "[The film] is about the discussion of terraforming -- taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life,"
...says Ridley in THIS PIECE at MTV, which goes on to explain how/if Weyland-Yutani figures into the prequel's storyline, whether the Xenomorhps will look like the Xenomorphs we've previously seen, and the gender of the movie's lead character. Definitely worth checking out this article. While we're waiting for this picture to ramp up, Fox & Co. are prepping the ALIEN ANTHOLOGY for Blu-Ray release. HERE's a tease of what packaging may look like in some regions (that egg design...while utterly impractical...is badass). It's not yet clear whether some of this limited edition packaging will actually make it to the States. I'd bet against it, but we can always hope... Personally, I want to see another ALIEN film...especially a good/interesting ALIEN film...but I don't really want to have the Space Jockeys demystified. Some concepts work better...undefined and mysterious.

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  • April 23, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    FIRST!!!

    by Gogo Bananas

  • April 23, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Sounds... unnecessary

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Gogo Bananas!

    by kevinwillis.net

    Good job.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Fingers crossed for a return to form.....

    by HanSelo

    .... otherwise this franchise is well and truely finished.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    And fuck the Space Jockey.

    by Gogo Bananas

  • April 23, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Ash?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Ash? Is that you?

  • April 23, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I'll watch it no matter what.

    by The Dark Nolan

    I love Ridley Scott and seeing him return to sci-fi will be worth it. Fuck necessary.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    What are my chances?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    DOES NOT COMPUTE

  • April 23, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Sounds similar to

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    "Alien Harvest", the supposed script for the prequel which popped up online a couple months ago, which fans have since dubbed "Gaylien" and "Brokeback Planet" for obvious reasons. If that thing was real, get ready for Jockey- forced anal sex, a cat alien, and a three-hour pointless scene of a security cruiser attempting to shoot down what will become the Derelict from the original film and failing. Color me worried...

  • April 23, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    I'd Go An See It

    by kevinwillis.net

    Going back to the Space Jockey sounds cool. And I loved the terra-forming stuff in Aliens. I'm all for it.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    BTW, "it's just Weyland"?

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Do we REALLY have to maintain continuity with Alien VS Predator? Really, Ridley. <P> PS: I don't want to have to give you your motivation to pick up your FUCKING TEA CUP! <p> I really hope that line gets in there, somehow.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Just do an all new, different sci-fi flick, Ridley!!!!

    by Nice Marmot

    Fucking A. Enough Aliens. Enough Predators. A new Critters movie sounds more intriguing . . .

  • April 23, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I'D RATHER CAMERON CAME BACK, NOT RIDLEY

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    You know this to be true in you, also.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    hey some COOL news

    by FleshMachine

    neato

  • April 23, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Alien Harvest Script:

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    http://www.mediafire.com/?4zzblqkcyem <P? It's style differs considerably from Spaits' other work, which would imply it's fake...still, I'm a little concerned.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I know he was first BUT

    by billybigbollocks

    Scott's film is NOT the definitive Alien film for me. That honor goes to Aliens, and the only other film of the 4 that comes close to making the emotional impact of that movie is Resurrection. It's the heart that Cameron put into the saga that got me hooked, not a beasty/horror film. He made it human, he made it epic. Those things are not exactly front and center in Scott's original.

  • April 23, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Please, don't suck...

    by The Dum Guy

    ...also my thought on Predators.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Resurrection is the worst Alien movie. Worse than AVP.

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Resurrection was painful to watch

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    and a totally over-the-top cartoon/self-parody. Please explain how it was "human" or had "heart"?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    maybe it didn't translate well into Mexican, Juan.

    by billybigbollocks

  • April 23, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Oh my furkin god... This has me excited.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I thought PTA had killed the franchise with his fucking abomination that spawned the second coming of Lucifer in AVP2: Requiem(Fucking WHY WHY WHYYY!!!). I adore the Alien series. I even give Resurrection a pass. Yet I thought it was dead to me. Thankyou Ridley. Thankyou so, so much.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I don't have to explain myself

    by billybigbollocks

    I'm telling you what I think. Or rather not you but writing my thoughts down.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm not Spanish, I'm Egyptian.

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Scott's been talking about this forever

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    He was talking abotu it in the special features for Alien. I remember thinking "....Yeah I don't really give a fuck about "the space jockey's" story.</p><p>But hey, more Alien, particularly directed by Ridley Scott, is a DAMN good thing!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Well Juan, that explains EVERYTHING.

    by billybigbollocks

  • April 23, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott

    by Keysor Soze

    Ridley Scott is perfect to do it,what the first ALIEN film the most popular is the spooky vision and tension he gave the film his style is totally different from Jim Cameron lets give Ridley a chance it might payoff with nightmares like the first movie...

  • April 23, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I always thought the Space Jockey was the reason...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the Queen alien, from ALIENS, was so large. The guy looked huge and it's pretty safe to assume that it was a Queen that burst from him to lay all those legs. The later films (A3, A4, etc.) seemed to make the Queens large for no apparent reason.<P>That being said, I do think a prequel centered around the Space Jockey will kind of kill the magic and mystique of the original. When it comes to that stuff, nothing ever seems worthy of the original material. However, the idea of Scott going back to his sci-fi roots is intriquing...even if I've lost confidence in his project development choices.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    That's "EGGS" and not "LEGS".

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Geez. Pull it together, MNG.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    The queen is large cause they're meant to be like bugs

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Nice Marmot...

    by I_Fart_Huckabees

    New Critters movie would be SO BADASS!!!!!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I want to concept of prequel to die

    by Bass Ackwards

    Just no more prequels. Ever.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Well, fair enough, I guess...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    personally, I couldn't stand anything from the franchise after the second one, (AVP was bland but inoffensive, but a HUGE missed opportunity and indirectly lead to the God-awful AVP: Rectum). I just hope Scott can somehow pull the series from the oblivion it's fallen into...

  • April 23, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Space Jockey will be tested for midichlorians

    by SithMenace

    Here's an idea, instead of stripping the Space Jockey of intrigue, how about giving us the Earth War that we should have gotten for Alien 3? Make it Saving Private Ryan in the future with Aliens instead of Nazis. Acid burning limbs off and hordes of Aliens defending hives all over the Earth. That's something I would want to see, and give Neil Blomkamp a full budget to direct.<p> Why can't they ever seem to use these creatures to their full potential? Cameron was the only one that did, but was limited by expensive 80's fx.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    It seems we're now surgesting new sequals, so ...

    by billybigbollocks

    Thelma and Louise the Return. This time it's personal! The car was actually a space rocket and after driving off the cliff, it was only the start of their high-kicking, alien stomping, man hating adventures!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Huge fan of Ridley

    by m_reporter

    But was very disappointed by his Robin Hood. The screenplay was just very bad and Scott should have never agreed to film it as it is.<p> Anyways, hope this production is smoother than Robin Hood, because God knows that the world needs another great Alien film.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    ALIEN does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    The dojo's concept for an ALIEN prequel - Ridley Scott feel free to nick this idea...<p> Team of human scientists spaceship gets sucked through a wormhole and 'spat out' on a collision course with the Alien's homeworld.<p> The crash site is littered with a number of other strange and unique spacecrafts - clearly they're not the first beings to arrive this way. We then get a survival story set on a world with incredible geiger-esque environments as the human's intellect is pitched against the Aliens physicality.<p> At the end only one guy is left and with the help of 'the space jockey' (himself an alien who crashlanded earlier and has managed to repair his vessel), he makes it off the planet.<p> Unfortunately the human survivor is carrying a little extra 'cargo' in his gut.... the end.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Hang on....

    by billybigbollocks

    It seems I've just solved the problem of who will be the lead characters in the new Alien film. Move over space jockey !

  • April 23, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Yes Space Jockey is better the way it is

    by Rupee88

    we don't need more info

  • April 23, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, better its not explained

    by umbral_shadow_

    I loved the mystery of the derelict ship. The Space Jockey skeleton seriously freaked me out. I don't want to see flesh on his bones. Some things are better shrouded in mystery.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by SithMenace

    That sounds excellent, like a way cooler version of Pitch Black. They could even show a crashed Predator ship among the wreckage, which would be subtle because few would recognize it for what it is.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    How do you get around the problems of 'the space jockey' being the lead?<p> 1 - His size means he couldn't be played by an actor.<p> 2 - His size also means he's actually 'bigger' than the Aliens, thus reducing their threat/menace considerably.<p> 3 - Do 'space jockeys' talk English? I'd imagine not. A wholly subtitled movie?<p> 4 - The Jockey and his spaceship look like they were designed by Geiger (they were). So hs appearance is way too similar to that of the Aliens themselves.<p> Man, I just can't see a way that this would work....

  • April 23, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Ridley scott used to be a good director

    by mojoman69

    But his last slate of movies since Gladiator have sucked donkey dick. Nothing to suggest this will be diffrent. will Crowe be the space jockey?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I suppose that's one way of looking at it...

  • April 23, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    SithMenace, thanks dude!<p> A lot of guys here are already feigning disdain for this project... but Ridley Scott returning to the 'Alien universe' to tell a new tale is actually something incredible for sci-fi fans.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Aliens Earth War

    by SithMenace

    Earth overrun. Every country's military united. Omaha Beach style battles. Major landmarks turned into hives. Aliens invading cities and kidnapping humans at night. Sweet futuristic military vehicles. Interesting and desperate characters.<p>Do it.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    How much do you all want to make a bet that...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the Space Jockey will be mo-capped and the movie will be filmed in...<P><P><P> ...3-D?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I love Ridley Scott

    by SithMenace

    but his track record lately doesn't give me alot of hope for this. The last film of his that I thought was at his level was Gladiator, and that was what, 11 years ago?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Ridley has still got it

    by m_reporter

    Out of his last bunch of film none is terrible, and some are even flirting with greatness like Kingdom of Heaven and American Gangster. <p> I often feel though that he gets bullied out by the powers that be out of his own vision, and then rolls with whatever only so he can move on.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    ALIENS is my fovorite film but...

    by Sailor Rip

    ...how can this work? Like the other guy said, there are problems with the SJ being the main character. <p> And leave some fucking mystery as to what that things and what is it doing there and why are they carrying loads on alien eggs. <p> I don't like this idea at all. <p> Just make a fucking badass AvP movie IN SPACE with COLONIAL MARINES.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Gaius, the space jockey would have to be mo-cap AVATAR style. I can't see a way round that. Which would be a shame for a series that has primarily used practical fx and sets - and used them superbly.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    My thoughts exactly.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    And Resurrection was a pile of poodoo

    by umbral_shadow_

    Seriously is there anyone here actually defending that torrid piece of beaver shit? every print in existence should be confiscated, melted into a giant dildo and shafted up Joss Whedon and Jeunet's ass by way of punishment.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott needs a good team and needs to not be comfortable

    by ufoclub1977

    I love A L I E N and But Scott better not fuck it up. Without other creative forces like Walter Hill, Giger, Ron Cobb, Dan O' Bannon, Jerry Goldsmith Scott has sometimes made some things that were severely lacking in many areas: Legend, Someone to Watch Over Me... He has to have a good team. And a good story. How can you beat the story of ALIEN?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    A small queen couldn't lay all those massive eggs

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Ridley set the bar with ALIEN

    by ZaphodBB

    Alien was the first Sci Fi to come along and give space a greasy grimy feeling. Star Wars doesn't really count - it still had a bit to much of a techno feel to it ... although more greasy than most. And Cobra-Kai ... the alien takes on the form of the host body of the facehugger. Human host means somewhat human sized alien. A Space Jockey host would make for a massive Space Jockey-sized xenomorph ... and, thus, a formidable foe (especially to humans if they are involved). And humans would have to be involved to a viewing audience to 'relate'. I suspect a freelance freighter (with human crew) that comes across the derelict ship (before it is derelict) and upsets the aliens plans (space jockey aliens that is). The human crew is entirely killed by the end of the movie and that's why no record exists and finds it's way into the Nostromo's hands. BTW, I'd love to see what would come out of a squid or octopus host with a facehugger on 'em. That would be terrifying!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see a Bat Alien personally...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    as opposed to a Cat Alien, as in the God-awful above script!!! Damn that thing!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Dune, Ridley...DUNE...

    by MJohnson

    ...and FUCK Pierre Morel...fuck his overrated action trash right in the ear...

  • April 23, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    m_reporter

    by ufoclub1977

    I think it's the opposite... I think when he can do whatever he wants he puts out films that are good in only one or two of many needed dimensions. I think he needs pressure from other creative forces to build a strong multi faceted film.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Why is he called a Space Jockey?

    by henrydalton

    Does he ride a freakin' intergalactic pony?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, what I was getting at was the fact that we have seen the aliens/xenomorphs take on the characteristics of their birth hosts (i.e. the "dog alien" of A3). It just seems that the original Queen (unseen in ALIEN but revealed in ALIENS) was characteristically large due to her host, the Space Jockey.<P>Just a theory.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see a Don Knotts alien.

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice - I can't remember why we're arguing this

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Space jocky not the lead

    by MovieFanboy25

    To any one who thinks the space jocky is the lead... did you read the MTV interview? The lead is going to be a human, he said a woman.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    ufoclub

    by m_reporter

    His best films came out of minimal meddling from outside forces. Sure, like every director he needs strong collaborators, which he always has. <p> There isn't a single Ridley Scott film that wasn't almost ruined by studio preasures. Just look at Robbin Hood once it's out. There's clear potential for a good film there, but all the script changes over the years ultimately resulted in a mess. If they had time to streamline that thing, without a studio deadline, the final film would have only benefited.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I find the term 'space jockey' offensive

    by smackfu

  • April 23, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Oh gos, just leave it alone...

    by fitzcarraldo2

    Scott is not the director he was 30 years ago. He will remove all the awe and mystery that was on the screen in the first film. It's a wonderful work of art that is daring enough to take its time to establish mood and I greatly fear it will be retrospectively tarnished. Scott will give us crappy jump-cut action scenes, you know it.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    RIP Jordan Cronenweth and Derek Vanlint

    by CENOBITE

    I wish one of these guys could have been the cinematographer for this new film. ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER both look like they could have been made yesterday.

  • April 23, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Enders game or Altered Carbon

    by TheNewDirector

    Go back to scifi and make those movies! The alien movies are done imo.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    m-reporter... my perception

    by ufoclub1977

    the flaws I feel in Blade Runner and Legend make me think he is really good at certain things and really negligent of others... but we'll see! We can see with Robin Hood if the story is up to par with the visuals.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Good and bad news

    by MovieFanboy25

    I think if your a fan of the alien movies or at lest the first two this should be great news. This movie is being made to actually give us more details on the aliens the first gave us the alien and how it's born. The second gave us the Queen. If I remember correctly a while back I remember Ridley saying he always thought that the Alien was a weapon used by the space jocky's. It would be interesting to find out more info on why they needed such a weapon in the first place. That's what I think the story should be about. But knowing the way most prequels/ sequels go it will probably rehash some of the same things from the movies which is a shame... we already herd that the main character is a woman. Why can't it be a man?

  • April 23, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    What the fuck happened to "The Forever War"?

    by Ironhelix

    I thought Scott was going to turn that into a movie? Would be a better idea than revisiting the Alien thing.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    What's the use...

    by ObiBen

    The aliens have been exposed, demystified, turned into cannon fodder and cartoonized by all these sequels. The cow has been sucked dry down to the marrow.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Kingdom of Alienhood

    by D o o d

    The beauty of Alien was that humans had no idea or awareness of that ship on that planet. They are forced to go investigate and then we have all alien stuff after.<p>How they're gonna now fit the alien stuff in a prequel is beyond me. Cause prior to them investigating, there was no knowledge of any of the lifeforms. I will watch it when it comes out, but I have no idea where they're going with this! Could be another prequel that ruins the original!

  • April 23, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    nice theory Mr. Nice

    by ZaphodBB

    While I like the idea of the Queen's size being related to the Space Jockey, I don't think that's what Cameron had in mind. If there was a Queen alive during the terraforming process of LV-426 you'd think it (she) would make an effort to seek out the humans. I think it's more likely that Newt's dad was the carrier of the Queen (through random chance) and that the Queen is just bigger than the drone aliens much like a queen bee is bigger (the unsophisticated thinking of James Cameron). Though I do like your thinking better.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    The woman character should be...

    by umbral_shadow_

    Zoe Saldana or Rachel McAdams. As long as its not that pug face Michelle Rodriguez.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    ObiBen is right.

    by Ironhelix

    I was the worlds biggest ALIEN fan, and I still love it, but all the mystery has been sucked out of the idea at this point. Me and my buddies used to sit for hours and theorize about where all the different ideas in the movie led to, and now they have pretty much raped that to death. I don't care to see where the Space Jockey came from, or even what a live one looks like, because then my own imagination's dick gets stomped on.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    jizz

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    This has a lot of potential. I think they can learn from past mistakes and make this one really good.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    If they must do a prequel...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    then do this: <p>Revenant: The Alien Prequel <p>The film opens 30 years before the events of the original “Alien”. A team of planetary prospectors has discovered an incredible archaeological find on a distant, barren world: a massive citadel, an expansive city cut out of red cliffs, built by a seemingly omniscient and long-extinct alien race. The team had been sending regular reports back to their superiors at the ICA (Interplanetary Colonization Authority), and their sponsors at Weyland-Yutani. However, at the top of the film, something catastrophic occurs and the entire prospecting team is wiped out. Rather than send rescue, the ICA appears to take measures to cover-up the massacre. <p>Our protagonist is a young woman named Melissa Sumner, an ICA Investigator and very much cut from the same cloth as Ellen Ripley. Sumner ends up digging into the massacre at the alien citadel and finds a conspiracy within rouge elements of the ICA to keep the incident a secret, especially from Weyland-Yutani. Believing herself to be instrumental in uncovering the truth, Sumner heads to the strange world with a hastily assembled team of Soldiers and Scientists to uncover the secrets of what happened in the alien citadel. Some of the members of the team include Silas, a sardonic but heroic pilot who serves as our Male Lead; Kuroux, an older, intellectual, experienced archaeologist; “Stiffy” Kurn, a young and excitable technician; Detts, a wily Kiwi planetologist; Teyhoff, a female science officer; Abeta, a rough-hewn and solitary Solar Ranger Officer; and Zolomon, a Solar Ranger Engineer, (and possible Android). <p>The new team arrives in the barren world, only to find the desecrated remains of their predecessors. Strangely, most of the wounds on the bodies appear to have been inflicted by humans; the team seems to have slaughtered each other. The new team proceeds to establish a base camp, before the scientists head into the alien citadel under armed escort of the Solar Rangers in order to study the prehistoric remains, while Sumner tries to piece together what happened to the original expedition. <p>As the science team studies the ruins, they find they were build by an utterly unknown and frightening species, a race of conquerors who controlled nature itself, turning themselves into a strange mix of bio-mass and mechanics, (fans will recognize these as the Space Jockeys). However, records in the citadel’s lower chambers indicate that conquerors ultimately fell to their own ruthlessness, having created a species of unstoppable destroyers which rose up and drove their masters to extinction. <p>However, the Space Jockeys are not quite as extinct as the ancient city would indicate; three have been kept deep in the citadel in stasis, and are awakened by the humans’ incursion. The Space Jockeys activate the citadel’s defense systems to repel these intruders; a noxious air-borne pathogen is spread through vents into the entire city and surrounding mountains, and the entire team is infected. Unfortunately, the pathogen is a hallucinogen, causing those effected to delve into madness, seeing their worst nightmares come to life. This achieved, the Jockeys release a menagerie of Lovecraftian monstrosities into the city, any number of vicious monsters created by their race long ago: these include Ravagers, spike-covered dark-blue quadrupeds with tentacles coming from their faces; Grutes, monstrous Humanoid hairless Apes which resemble the Morlocks from HG Welles “The Time Machine”; and Silver-Heads, huge Insectoid killers, all curving scythes and grasping jaws. <p>Now, the film descends into a living nightmare, as our heroes are in the grip of madness due to the pathogen, and the audience sees the rest of the narrative through the eyes of these unreliable narrators. The characters continue to hallucinate, seeing their worst monster nightmares come to life, including creatures that resemble the “Old Gods” depicted in the runes of the ancient city. Several members of the team hallucinate that their comrades are turning into monsters, and slaughter each other; the survivors must contend not only with their own hallucinations, but with Ravagers, Grutes, Silver-Heads, and the city’s automated defense systems. <p>Towards the end of the film, our few remaining heroes end up fleeing through the city in an attempt to reach the other side of the mountains, (hopefully beyond the monsters’ range). As they transverse the cavernous ruins, they stumble upon the rest of the story of this horrible place; the race of unstoppable killers that the Jockeys first created, were HUMANS, (the Grutes being the degenerate descendants of the earliest Neanderthals). However, Man proved too violent, too uncontrollable, and the Space Jockeys created the Aliens, (which we only see in a holographic record), as a defense against Man. The Humans were fought back, and the survivors exiled to a remote, primal, blue-green world… <p>At the end of the film, the three Space Jockeys emerge from their control chamber to deal with the humans themselves. Our heroine, Sumner, manages to kill them and escape, the sole survivor. However, the pathogen never fully wears off, and upon her return to civilization, she’s deemed insane and responsible for the death of her comrades by Weyland-Yutani and locked away in an asylum for the rest of her life. However, a few Company Executives find evidence that her story is true, and decide that these ancient “Space Jockeys” hold great technology, and if we ever encounter this race again, they must be investigated at all costs… <p>The Beginning of the End

  • April 23, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The best thing about Alien...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...the constant coffee-drinking.<p> Maybe if they weren't all hopped-up on caffeine more of them woulda survived!<p> Heh heh heh ...

  • April 23, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Will it be in 3D?

    by RPLocke

  • April 23, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Yes, it's 3D

    by m_reporter

  • April 23, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Love Ridley! I'm In!

    by picardsucks

  • April 23, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    In my world only Alien and Aliens exist.

    by parissun

    I'll continue to ignore all of the AINO rapefests.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    ufoclub - flaws in Blade Runner?

    by m_reporter

    Dear lord, please don't utter such heresy :P <p> Thing is that in both Blade Runner and Legend he had terrible troubles with the financiers and studio, in Blade Runner he won out ultimately I think, and in Legend he did not.<p> Regarding Robin Hood, I saw the film 2 nights ago, and it is a gorgeous film (of course) ruined by a mess of a script.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    This sounds kinda naff BUT

    by tazzzer

    But it Ridley Scott back on Alien and that means it could be wicked. Finally we may have the final piece to make the definative trilogy of Alien films - this 1 & 2. ALL OF THE OTHERS AND AVP in particular were a bag of shite

  • April 23, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    First Lucas demystifies Star Wars

    by Ray Gamma

    And now Ridley Scott demystifies the single coolest thing about the original "Alien" movie. </P> <P> Game over, man.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Fa_Tass' Summary...

    by Marshal_Lannes

    ...is more than likely better than anything Hollywood will serve up. Good writing...

  • April 23, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    The scriptwriter

    by Baryonyx

    I think a guy called Jon Spaihts is writing this prequel. Ridley picked him, I read, because Spaihts wrote a supposedly brilliant spec script called 'Shadow 19' that involves mechanized death suits, terraforming, AI's, super-science weapons, and a planet full of lethal alien life forms that are almost un-killable. And the hero keeps sending teleported copies of himself to this planet to try and take-on the aliens, which keep killing him! It's meant to be a really brilliant hard science fiction script. So, I got to ask myself, why isn't Ridley making THIS script instead of an Alien prequel nobody wants? (Or he could direct the Forever War, which is a fucking brilliant novel.)

  • April 23, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    They're gonna come in here, and they're gonna come in here...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...and they're gonna ruin the series, man!

  • April 23, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    One of SJ's species shows up in the Alien novels

    by Eddie_Dane

    Lord, were those books bad.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Ridley's only problem is he can't write

    by umbral_shadow_

    He can come up with broadstroke ideas, but he can't sit down and write himself a script. If he could only have done that, he would have been the greatest ever. So he's a slave to the material, so if the script sucks the project is doomed.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Ruin everything with a cash grab prequel!

    by craptacular

    I love medichlorians! Or whatever that stupid shit from star wars was.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    It will be better than 3 and 4 at least

    by RPLocke

    How Alien got a 4th movie is beyond me.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Alien Blu Rays

    by PinkFloyd7

    I only want Alien and Aliens. Alien 3 had some good moments, but it was still a failure. Alien 4 was a total piece of shit. I hope they release these individually.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    THAT'S GOTTA BE ONE BIG HORSE

    by Darth Busey

  • April 23, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Demystification of ALIEN already happened

    by ufoclub1977

    When Aliens reduced it to bugs that hold action packed earthstyle attacks like island natives of yesteryear cinema.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I liked Alien3.

    by Royston Lodge

    The haters can cram it with walnuts.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Owen Glieberman of EW gave Alien 4 an A

    by SithMenace

    WTF? What a total misfire. It may have been the other one, Schwarzbaum. One of them gave it an A.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    alien 4 happened because Sigourney wanted it to

    by alienindisguise

    since she was a producer on it.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Marshal_Lannes, thanks!

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Although John Spaits is a great writer going from his "Shadow 19" script, so if "Alien Harvest" is indeed fake, then there's a chance Spaits may hit it out of the park!...

  • April 23, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Ridley was right to cut that scene

    by SkinJob69

    It's interesting to watch as an out-take, but it was completely superfluous.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    ParisSun - I'll continue to ignore

    by ObiBen

    You're lucky, 'cos me, now that I've watched it, can't unwatch it.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Space Jockey= brilliant, unforgettable image

    by SkinJob69

    So high tech and mysterious. Agree with Merrick that leaving it a mystery is probably best, but if that's the kernel needed to get Ridley back into the sci-fi realm, fine with me.<p> Stoked to see Sir Ridley return to "dirty space" again. His eye for futuristic environments is unparalleled.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Why ruin all the mystery???

    by SayNoToRemakes

    Seriously? I know its been beat to a pulp on these talk backs but I have to chime in. Why the hell would we want to shed light on the back story for the Space Jockeys? And for that matter, why do we need to know what happened to the Norwegians in the movie " The Thing"?? Part of what made those movies so effectively creepy, is knowing very little about the alien and how it got there. But I guess the suits at these studios have to find a reason to put these properties to work, huh?

  • April 23, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Like your pitch, Cobra-Kai...

    by SkinJob69

    But twists, like the "cargo" you mentioned, should not exist in this dojo, should they?

  • April 23, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I don't trust Ridley Scott on this

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    He's kind of a dope as evidenced by his "clever" take on Blade Runner. If he's going to take that sledgehammer approach I'd rather not see it happen. I also feel iffy about knowing the background of the"giant fellow" - it's bound to be SW prequelesque because it's always cooler in your imagination.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    What happened to the adaptation of "Ender's Game"?

    by SkinJob69

    Wasn't Ridley supposed to be doing that at one point?

  • April 23, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Demystifying

    by SkinJob69

  • April 23, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Demystifying

    by SkinJob69

  • April 23, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    ufoclub

    by MandrakeRoot

    You are not cool for disliking Aliens. Know that. And considering there were very few lingering shots (apart from the Queen), the mystique and horror of the creature was fully there. <p> I get why people are kinda meh about this prequel idea, cause there is absolutely no reason to find out more about the space jockey. On the other hand, I'm very interested to see how Ridley will handle another Alien movie, given his first is an absolute sci-fi horror classic. And the way I see it, if not Ridley, they'd probably hire another hack putting out shit the equivalent to AVP 1 and 2, and Alien 4. That would be far worse. At least with Ridley we know it probably wont be an awful mess.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    So I guess it'll be set underwater...

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

  • April 23, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Demystifying "The Clone Wars" was a disappointment

    by SkinJob69

    Should have been left to the imagination. Anyone remember the Ralph McQuarrie illustration of a storm trooper like figure holding a light-sabre? That image was way cooler than anything we got in the prequels.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    And one more thing about Aliens

    by MandrakeRoot

    While it certainly changed up the vibe of the previous flick, how many movies do you want to see of the same old shit? Eventually someone was going to make a movie with tons of Aliens kicking ass, and you should be mighty glad Cameron did it and made it an absolute classic.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I remember when...

    by ObiBen

    The Alien was essentially hungry mucus-dripping space fangs coming out of the woodworks in some dark corner of the ship. Sometimes it vaguely looked like a dolphin. Sometimes you could just see these chimney things sticking out it's back. Sometimes you could not tell which part was the Alien, and which part was machinery on the wall. And it was born from that creepy face hugger, which made it even stranger and terrifying. Once the spotlight was turned on the critter in the following films, all that remained was the cool Giger design, but the fear/creep factor completely vanished.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    the AvPs

    by CARTMANEZ

    AvP tried to be 'Alien' with a little bit of 'Aliens' and Predator 2 at the end<p> AvP2 just flat out tried to be 'Aliens' <p> both stank but AvP 2 stank worse than AvP. Actually AvP 1 wasnt too bad - it was better than Alien Resurrection anyways (not saying much) <p> ideally they shouldve just made AvP in 1997 instead of the awful Alien 4 (it was stupid to bring Ripley back anyway) as fans were going crazy for AvP to be made...plus they shouldve just adapted the original AvP comic mini series set on an alien planet in the Alien era future - not set present day on earth <p> and no AvP 2 <p> but they are doing the right thing now - getting Scott to make Alien 5 (or Alien 0) like was gonna happen before AvP was done, and getting Rodrigeiz to do what is essentially Predator 3 (which is pretty much what AvP 1 tried to be - Alien ‘0’ and Predator 3)<p> the 1990s is when the desire and hype for AvP was at its strongest...the general mood when it came in 2004 was kinda like 'eh?! WTF are they bothering with this now?' <p> so in 1995 or 1997 (instead of the crap Alien 4)..directed by a decent director - NOT WS Anderson....set it post A3 in space - basically just made the original comic mini series and that was it - no sequel.. <p> i guess if thatd happened Scott and Cameron might have made Alien '4' in the early 00s (like Cameron said they were going to do before Anderson wooed the studio with his AvP pitch) which wouldve led on to Predators like we getting <p> so i guess in a perfect world itd have gone like this: <p> 1979 - Alien <p> 1986 - Aliens <p> 1987 - Predator <p> 1990 - Predator 2 <p> 1992 - Alien 3 (set on a blade runner-esque earth with Hicks, newt and Ripley…or even that Wooden Planet thing) <p> 1997 - AvP (set in space or alien planet post A3) <p> 2004 - Alien 4 (written/produced by Cameron, Directed by Scott)<p> 2006 - Predators <p> 2011 - Alien prequel (Ridley Scott directing again ) <p>

  • April 23, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    SkinJob69

    by RPLocke

    We didn't get to see much of the Cline Wars in the prequels. We only got to see the beginning and end. So fuck off, hater.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    The face hugger= an agressive vagina

    by SkinJob69

    that "impregnates" males. Alien was all about female empowerment. You know it to be true. All bow to the mighty, relentless, face-hugging vagina!

  • April 23, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Not a hater, Locke

    by SkinJob69

    You wouldn't believe how much time and emotional investment I have in all 6 of those films.<p> It was a comparative statement, no a damning one. So fuck you for calling me that.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 and 4 had elements that were cool

    by TRON

    but as a complete package they both missed. Alien 3 would have been better set on Earth as a remote prison colony. Ripley should have been tried and imprisoned by the Company. A facehugger was to be released into the colony to coverup and kill off Ripley. Then there would have been a closer possibility for the Alien to escape and possibly take over Earth. The characters and direction of 4 was very good, but the story just sucked. I loved the scenes with Brad Dorif. This new film should be the backstory how the Company found out about the derelict craft and knowledge about the alien. Resulting in the programing of Ash and mother to take the detour for the rescue mission.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    MandrakeRoot

    by ufoclub1977

    I am just being honest about my reaction to Aliens when I first saw it in the theaters...seemed like a well constructed made for tv movie vibe. Just compare the chestburster scenes. One is a movie... the other is like tv (and I mean tv back in the 70-80's sense, not now when things like "6 Feet Under" or "Lost" are cool in my book)... and saying that aliens kicking ass was inevitable is like saying that there should be an Exorcist sequel where there are tons of possessed kids throwing up, flying, and kicking ass like ninja.... wait they kind of did that shit with the idea of Jedi in the Star Wars universe... I do respect that Aliens is a well crafted plot, but the details were not cool. But I'm a huge fan of Excalibur (is that your name reference?)

  • April 23, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    SkinJob69: Female empowerment wouldn't...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...try to make men MORE afraid of vaginas. It would try to ENCOURAGE men to get their faces closer to vaginas. Men, on their knees, willingly subservient. That would be female empowerment.<p> Depicting vaginas as a blood-thirsty villainous alien monster is a pretty medieval misogynistic idea.<p> Saying that the face-hugger is about female empowerment is like saying the vagina dentata superstition is about female empowerment.<p> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata

  • April 23, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    ObiBen

    by ufoclub1977

    Damn straight.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Giger involvement or GTFO

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    And also get Ron Cobb and Jean Giraud while you're at it.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    From the Alien DVD commentary...

    by strosmer

    "You got to stick to your guns. That's where you got to earn your way. How many people fall by the wayside by not pushing their point home? They don't quite get what they want. Nobody respects you later for having been a nice guy and given up. You gotta get it. You have to get it now, because you're gonna wear what you got. You can be very unpopular on the route, but if you're right, all is forgiven." - Ridley Scott<p>An awesome quote from a fabulous director. Having said that, I do have my gripes about his work from Gladiator forward, but all-in-all he still delivers fine cinematic entertainment.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Alien vs. Aliens

    by SK229

    I'm in the Alien camp. Between it and Blade Runner, I really think Scott out-Kubricked Kubrick. Aliens is an awesome movie, but more along the lines of Die Hard, an action movie masterpiece that became a template for stuff that followed. The lighting, set design, acting, and dialogue are just not quite up to the incredibly high standard in Alien. I'd say that the acting and dialogue especially just cannot touch Alien, which, acting-wise, is like a hardcore 70's movie... Taxi Driver or French Connection in space. But given all that, Aliens is still a classic film, whereas I see Alien as an absolute masterpiece.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    That's an interesting take on it, Lodge

    by SkinJob69

    But I see it differently. Vaginas are often seen as passive, while the male organ is viewed as aggressive. It does the penetrating and impregnation of the female, who then has to endure pregnancy and the painful birth process. The face-hugger reverses the traditional roles in a particularly violent way. I see this as a metaphor for female empowerment, and it is consistent with Ripley's strong female character in the film. <P> BTW: Have you seen the film "Teeth"? It explores the empowerment aspect of vagina dentata quite well. Jess Wexler's character is date raped, and it is during this that her vagina's teeth go into action, emasculating her attacker.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    AvPvTJ - The Wrath of Hooker

    by CARTMANEZ

    Story would be something like Predators comes to earth to hunt Aliens in 1980s LA...thinking its gonna be cool and all huntin Aliens..but they didnt figure on one thing....<p> Hooker <p> Teaser would show cool shit like we see Hooker take down a Predator with one of those black bar things...pumps a load into an Alien with a 12G...James Darren gets killed by an Predator and Hooker swears vengence...Locklear has drill scene like at start of Predator 2 (come on we all secretly wish it were Locklear in that Pammy vs. Tommys tape)<p> basically Predator 2 except with The Shat, James Darren, A Zmed and Locklear instead of Glover, Danny Boy, Paxton and the Hispanic lady from Running Man<p> ends with Hooker hanging on to the hood of a Predator Ship as it launches into space...

  • April 23, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    SkinJob69

    by RPLocke

    before the prequels came out, When Kemobi mentioned Clone Wars, I didn't think the Jedi were involved in it. I thought they were long gone by then.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Locke- I think you're right...

    by SkinJob69

    I think Lucas got into that a bit in the original novel. I think that definitely came up in the Alan Dean Foster novels, but I can't remember for sure (plus, his books- while excellent- were not canon).

  • April 23, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    "Scott's film is NOT the definitive Alien film for me."

    by Kaitain

    Not for me. As a teenager, I loved Aliens, and regarded Alien as the backstory to Aliens. Now, almost 25 years on, I still think Aliens is a good film, a very solid, well-constructed action film, but Alien is something else entirely. It's on another level...it is AMAZINGLY good. Incredible to believe that film is 30 years old. It still looks absolutely fantastic. (The sole thing that seems dated now is the room with "Mother" in.) <p> One thing I didn't really appreciate when I was younger is that Alien's cast is 100% first rank actors, whereas Aliens has a lot of second-tier actors: good, but not great. Aliens feels a little bit like a very well-done TV movie now: it's not a widescreen movie, the lighting isn't as interesting, the creatures just don't look as good or real as those in Alien (especially the facehuggers). <p> Don't get me wrong. I love Aliens. But Alien is a true work of art...it just gets better every time I see it.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    I'd be fine with it if there were no humans in it

    by Brannagins Law

    and when the "Jockey" race spoke it would be in subtitles. All alien languages.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    SK229

    by Kaitain

    Just read your post. <p> Clearly, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Clear up fact...

    by OmarLittleLives

    The crew was sent to the planet by the company in ALIEN. The company had knowledge of the alien lifeform and sent them there as an expendable experiment. A prequel could definately be made about what happened in order for the company to know this lifeform was on the planet. Anyone who says Ridley Scott isn't the right person for this doesn't know a damn thing about the Alien movies. Cameron took the suspense and horror from the alien being an unstoppable force and made them into cannon fodder. As good as Aliens was, the best movie of all is still and always will be Alien. Not only one of the best science fictions ever to be filmed but one of the best horror movies as well.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I always wanted an AVP movie without humans

    by Adelai Niska

    Just 90 minutes of Predators setting up various alien species for facehuggers, various types of Xenomorphs getting loose, and the preds mopping up. That's it. No talking, no people, no robots.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    ufoclub1977

    by Kaitain

    Sorry, working backwards up this thread. Now I feel like I'm ripping you guys' posts off...:)

  • April 23, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, oh....

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    That brief plot description sounds suspiciously like the script "Alien Harvest" which was floating around the net a while back, and which was assumed to be a well-crafted fake. That tidbit of news about the space jockey race terraforming other planets would seem to indicate otherwise. If so, be afraid, be very afraid, since it would make for one of the most bizarre (not in a good way) and downright awful genre movies ever made. Unless of course, you're partial to space jockey telepathy-induced anal rape, gay relationships, kind-hearted laughing jockeys, and kung fu against alien kitty cats. We're talking Highlander 2 level wtf? nonsense of a prequel/ sequel here.<p>And not having the patience to read any of the comments above, all I say is that if any of them are claiming the usual bunkum that "Aliens" demistyfied the crearture or the mythos, then said claimants never understood even the original film in the first place. Cameron is the ONLY guy to date who expanded on the Alien mythology and universe successfully, with intelligence, logic and respect, which is more than can be said about the sequels or even most of the dark horse comics (though some of those were much better than alien 3 and resurrection). And if "Alien Harvest" is indeed legit, then all those literal-minded "aliens turned into bugs" scoffers are going to have something genuine to complain about when it rolls around.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    SkinJob69, thank you..<p> On the subject of Jedi fighting the clone wars I too felt from the original STAR WARS that they'd been long gone by then... something Tarkin says to Vader along the lines of "The Jedi are extinct, their fire went out of the universe long ago. You my friend are all thats left of their ancient religion..."<p> But in the Prequel trilogy there's only about a 17 years gap between ROTS and NEW HOPE... ah well, Lucas fucked his legacy in far greater ways than that one little plot point.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Fact...

    by OmarLittleLives

    Cameron de-toothed the aliens. Who gives a crap about demystifying them. When I was a kid I saw people getting up to leave the theatre during the scene where the alien popped from the guy's chest. People screamed in fear when Ripley escaped through the ship. On the other side, although Ripley made it clear that aliens were dangerous in ALIENS, they still killed thousands of them. ALIEN was a scifi horror movie that was tense and far ahead of its time. ALIENS was GREAT summer action flick, but not the classic cinema that Alien was.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Another thing about Aliens

    by Kaitain

    ...is that almost all of the narrative beats in the movie can be mapped onto those of the first film. But it gets away with it, because it switches the genre from horror to action. <p> This isn't really surprising, because "Aliens" was adapted from Cameron's own Alien rip-off script called "Mother" that I think (?) he had prepared as a possible Corman Studios cheapo feature. <p> I mean, which film's plot am I describing here? <p> We open with a ship drifting through space, its passengers frozen in suspended animation, who are awoken. <p> An unusual situation has arisen: there is an unexplained communications anomaly that must be investigated. <p> There is some unwillingness to go, but the issue is eventually settled. <p> A harrowing descent to the planet's surface then takes place to investigate the problem. <p> While some participants stay in safety, another group enters a strange and forbidding area, with camera images beamed back to the first group. <p> Frightening contact with alien life forms takes place. <p> One human has an alien life form burst out of their chest. <p> The stunned group assesses the situation and decides what to do next. <p> While the alien threat is dormant in the story for a while, a traitorous crew member, representing the interests of the sinister corporation rather than the others in peril, creates danger for the others, and needs to be dealt with. <p> In one sequence, the characters use motion sensing equipment to locate the alien threat, but fail to think in three dimensions adequately, and are taken by surprise. <p> In a final frenetic sequence, a nuclear explosion is imminent, and a calm female voice announces the amount of time remaining. <p> The main character goes out of her way to ensure the safety of an innocent while dashing around madly trying to escape the imminent nuclear explosion. <p> The explosion is avoided, and the survivors get away on a spacecraft, but in a final shock, the threat remains, having sneaked aboard the spacecraft. <p> In a final confrontation, the creature is ejected from the ship's airlock. <p> The survivors now enter hypersleep, in the film's final shot.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    GIGER!

    by AlienFanatic

    I'd be remiss if I didn't jump in here, since I'm a huge, huge alien nut. The idea of Scott collaborating again with Giger sends chills down my spine. I know it's all hype at this stage, but I hope they put rockets on the wheels and get this baby shooting down the development track before Scott and Giger are too old to pull it off. I have very, very good vibes already.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Highlander 2

    by Kaitain

    "We're talking Highlander 2 level wtf? nonsense of a prequel/ sequel here." <p> That would be a Herculean achievement.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Giger was screwed by Cameron

    by OmarLittleLives

    He had a much better working relationship with Scott. Check his website for the history that went on with his alien designs.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    @Kaitain

    by AlienFanatic

    I'm 100% in the same camp as you, man. When I was a teen, and Aliens had come out, that was HUGE for me. I didn't enjoy the slow pace of Alien as much at all. Now that I'm older, I've completely flip-flopped and view Alien as a far, far superior film. Aliens is a great actioner, and Cameron has the Whedonesque gift for catchy dialogue, but I'm all about the slow pace, the realistic acting and environment, and the design of the original creature.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kaitain, nice post. I'd like to see Big Jim's reaction to it..<p> "What! Uuuh shit! Umm.. yeah... it was uh yeah... um it was meant to be like that... it's a homage of course.. oh shit - I won't continue this conversation without my lawyer present."

  • April 23, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Infected by Scott Sigler

    by OmarLittleLives

    Ridley Scott should make Infected into a movie. http://www.amazon.com/Infected-Novel-Scott-Sigler/dp/030740630X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272059191&sr=8-1. Seriously one of the best scifi horror novels I have ever read.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Giger working for Hollywood

    by ufoclub1977

    I have a feeling that this artist who used to monitor visitors through surveillance cameras and wear black panties is a bit too out there and difficult to work with... how bizarre is him next to Farah Fawcett with his oscar back then...

  • April 23, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai does not exist in this dojo

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "I'd like to see Big Jim's reaction to it..<p> "What! Uuuh shit! Umm.. yeah... it was uh yeah... um it was meant to be like that... it's a homage of course.. oh shit - I won't continue this conversation without my lawyer present."<p>And you can bet that the mirroring and paralleling of those basic narative beats was entirely intentional. Cameron pulled the same trick in T2. His philosophy of sequels: "Meet audience expectations then expand or subvert them", which is a masterclass in how to craft a satisying yet different sequel, an excellent balancing act. So your sarcasm is a moot point - not to mention that reducing entire movies to vague, mechanical beats, devoid of context or thematics or how these situations play out differently within the particular framework of each film, will certainly produce a laudry list of films that appear to be indentical. Doesn't neccessarily make it so. Of course, I am waiting for that No Diggity nutcase to make a re-appearance and claim that Newt was simply a surrogate for Jones the Cat.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    To be fair to Cameron

    by Kaitain

    It is an impressive achievement that people did NOT come out of theaters thinking, "Man, that was just the same film again! What a rip!" <p> The whole feel of the movie was so different that retreading the same set of plot points seemed to go relatively unnoticed. Plus there were so many cool things in the movie: the marines, the smartguns, the queen, the power loader, the sentry cannons in the director's cut...

  • April 23, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    ufoclub

    by SkinJob69

    ....not to mention he is 70 years old now.

  • April 23, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Turd, I think you've proven Kaitain's theory even more... Newt *is* Jones the cat! It all fits.<p> "Miaow Miaow Miaow" = "They mostly come at night. Mostly."

  • April 23, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Alien life cycle

    by umbral_shadow_

    As you all know, the original idea was that the humans are turned into new alien eggs by metamorphisis. I find this idea more effective than an alien Queen laying eggs. I hope Scott revisits this more thoroughly. As for the Alien-Aliens debate, for me it is clear. When you're in your teens/twenties you think Aliens is superior. When you get older you appreciate Alien more. There are subtleties in Alien that you miss when you're younger. Aliens is much more "in your face" pun intended.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Cameron made a wise choice to switch genres

    by m_reporter

    I mean, there's no way anyone could have made a sequel to Alien as a horror film and live up to it, let alone surpass it.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    The mystery about the Jockey made it cool!

    by darthwaz1

  • April 23, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Go for it Ridley!

    by Lornsorrow

    Sounds awesome! This is what I have been waiting for for many, many years. And i don't think it will take away the mystique of the space jockey. All you have to do is put on the first ALIEN movie and feel that mystique from the eyes and experiences of that crew in that film. It will always be there. Something else is not going to make it go away much, and it is a chance to see Ridley return to what he's famous for. This too me, is the best movie news since the new Tron news. And for me, it is even better than that. I really can't think of anything better!!

  • April 23, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I Always Looked At The Space Jockey As Being...

    by Media Messiah

    ...thousands of years old, maybe millions, but very ancient when he met his demise at the hands of the aliens. If they go into that history, it should be from the point of view of human archeological astronauts who first find the space jockey some years before Ripley and crew...and have carbon dated the (Space Jockey) species back to an ancient era. It would be interesting if in the climax of the film, the last of the archeologists who are being hunted by the aliens, are saved by the Space Jockey species who return to find their lost pilot, hence the reason the humans in the corporation ultimately know about the aliens, when Ripley and crew encounter them.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Media...

    by OmarLittleLives

    Or some information may have been transmitted that the company from Alien received via remote transmission and came up with this plan to test using the crew that were expendable. It would match the sinister nature of said company to plan the whole event from Alien based on a previous mission where the aliens were discovered. I would like to keep some mystery too, but who says revealed mystery can't contain new mystery? :)

  • April 23, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    re: Media

    by Ray Gamma

    yeah the Space Jockey, to my understanding at least, was a fossilized remnant from a long time ago, and all the more mysterious for it. </P> <P>Alas, just like "The Force" in Star Wars, and "The Norwegians" in The Thing, and soon, unfortunately, "The Wizard" in Oz, we the audience are going to have our fantastical imaginings rammed back up our arses with a jackhammer.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    The Company knew about the alien ship

    by umbral_shadow_

    They must have known all along, otherwise they would not have snuck Ash on board. The prequel is actually necessary in explaining how the Company found out about the ship in the first place.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    watch, they'll make the Aliens a terraforming byproduct

    by br1947

    it's always the human's fault... arg...

  • April 23, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    No no no no no no

    by kwisatzhaderach

    This will be a disaster. A female character better than Ripley? A stsifying explanation for the Space Jockey? <p> This is a bad idea. Bad.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    How do I get out of this chicken-shit outfit?

    by Amazing Maurice

  • April 23, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    You secure that shit Amazing Maurice.

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • April 23, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I'm kinda hoping....

    by Cervantes

    ....that the large 'Space Jockey' aliens remain unseen, hidden under some kind of 'spacesuits' throughout the movie.<P>That would maintain some kind of mystery I guess.<P>I sure hope H.R.Giger will be onboard again, as the look of ALIEN owed a lot to his design-work.<P>And this will is bound to look bitchin' in 3D!

  • April 23, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    is Scott going to direct this or only produces?

    by frg10

    ????

  • April 23, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    More proof Ridley Scott is an airhead

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    In the original film,"Scott had wanted the Alien to bite off Ripley's head and then make the final log entry in her voice, but the producers vetoed this idea"

  • April 23, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    What Happened

    by Rebeck2

  • April 23, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    What Happened To ROBIN HOOD Reviews?

    by Rebeck2

    Why were they taken down? Did the site give in to pressure from the studio, or what?

  • April 23, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Leave the Space Jockey alone

    by wadi77

    I like how mysterious he is, let it stay that way.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Enough with "prequels" already...

    by Alesandro

  • April 23, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Space Jockey refers to his space underwear

    by Nem_Wan

    We see him in his Jockey shorts at the end of the prequel film, in homage to Ripley's panties.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see a LIFEFORCE prequel...

    by Kirbymanly

    ...just so we can finally have the answer as to how Mathilda May got so HOT!

  • April 23, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen the last 3 Alien films.

    by Flip63Hole

    and unless there's decent word of mouth, I'll skip this one, too...

  • April 23, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Eh, it's been over 30 years, demystify the fuck outta it!

    by Tall_Boy66

    If you ask me, cinema secrets have a expiry date of about 30 years so might as well explain where it came from. I'm just interested how Scott is going to change the design of the Alien when the design is now so iconic. I don't wanna see a Newborn Mark 2, yo.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Also: Emma Stone for the lead!!

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yes, she's like 5 foot tall or whatever but I'll watch that gal in anything and she can at least point a shotgun with authority. Back up choices: Amanda Seyfried, Mary Elizabeth Winstead (put her in everything!), and some other broad who I love but can't quite remember right now...

  • April 23, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I love Elisha Cuthbert but wouldn't buy her

    by Tall_Boy66

    I've seen her be too whiny and menaced by cougars on 24 to buy her as an action heroine.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Like I've been sayin' in the Robin Hood columns...

    by Jaka

    ...I dig Ridley Scott, so I'm interested. Also, it's got to be better than the fourth one. So color me interested in that regard as well. However, like some other people, I'm a little worried that it's kind of unnecessary. Also, not sure how excited people will be for a pure Alien movie that doesn't involve Sigourney Weaver.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, Mila Kunis

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yeah, she's even shorter and doesn't look like she can kick ass but I will also watch her in anything.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Elisha Cuthbert, Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba

    by Jaka

    Somebody needs to write a movie with large parts for all three of them... maybe even a trilogy.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    well..

    by redkamel

    we either need an earth war with battle mechs where the humans lose in the end and the space jockeys arrive and rescue us, taking us to another planet.<p> Fuck, what I really want is a Guyver trilogy done right.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Midichloreans

    by gotilk

    .

  • April 23, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Sorry

    by Rebeck2

    I see it's still there.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    demystify the Camel Jockey

    by j_difool

    way to take something interesting and make it mundane, Ridley. Jesus Christ. Somebody retire him.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Fuck haters.

    by Kontarsky

    CANNOT FUCKING WAIT. I hated Kingdom of Heaven and have no interest in Robin Hood. Gladiator was the last Ridley film I enjoyed. Time for him to go back to his roots and impress us. The Space Jockey was an amazing prop in the first one. I probably am in the minority, but I was always fascinated with its backstory. This film is going to give us some GOOD Alien mythos, not the crap we've been suffering with for the past what, 20 years?

  • April 23, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    j_difool, check out Scott's IMDb page

    by Jaka

    I checked it out the other day and was like, "damn! There is no way he'll get all that done before he dies." The man has movie after movie after movie in some kind of development or pre-production stage.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    This timeline doesn't make sense

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> 30 years earlier isn't gonna tell us jack shit. The space jockey is fossilized in the chair. The eggs are protected under some type of electronic mist. </P> <P> Technically Earthlings 30 years prior should find the identical thing as the Nostromo crew. What's different? Are they going to show the space jockeys in their own time frame? When they first came into contact with the alien? So this will have to be a flashback of some kind. </P>

  • April 23, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Why?

    by disfigurehead

    I don't care about the Space Jockey's origins. Keep it a mystery.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Why It MUST Be About The Space-Jockey...

    by Graphix67

    Unless you feel that there should be no more Alien movies whatsoever, the ONLY original story left to tell is what the Space Jockey's connection to the Alien is. If you subtract the Jockey, than you are only left with a story dealing with a single Alien again (done twice so far) or dealing with multiple Aliens again (also done twice so far in the original series).

  • April 23, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    At least it's a different direction...

    by bubcus

    Alien and Aliens stand as brilliant films while I was annoyed with Alien 3 and hated Alien 4. I would love to see another film in the world of the first Alien film and if it's following the mystery of the Space Jockey instead of our acid-blood, face-hugging aliens, sure, I'll take it. I just want to be as mystified and fascinated as I was viewing that first sci-fi horror classic.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Watched Alien And Aliens Back To Back Recently, And...

    by LaserPants

    Realized Alien is actually as much better film. Aliens is a kick ass fuckin' movie, though, which is different. See? Both really awesome movies, but in totally different directions.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    If they actually show a live

    by Rectal Blowout

    space jockey, then what fucking year is it, 200,000 - 1 million years B.C.? Earthlings and live space jockeys don't exist in the same time frame with when this alien story took place. </P> <P> So if they say "this is what happened many years ago between space jockeys and aliens", then how does mankind know this? Did the space jockeys have a video archive diary of their past and origins on the ship? </P>

  • April 23, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is SHIT

    by billybigbollocks

    But necessary as an intro into the sublime Alien Resurrection. You bunch of monkey fuckers !!!!!

  • April 23, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Video diary

    by Kaitain

    "Did the space jockeys have a video archive diary of their past and origins on the ship?" <p> I was also wondering whether this might be the general sort of direction.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    sounds interesting but why does it have to be in the Aliens univ

    by WickedJacob

    except to draw interest to it, of course

  • April 23, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    "Strong Female Lead" -- lightning doesn't strike the same spot t

    by Wookie_Weed

    Give us an interesting CHARACTER, not the requisite 'strong female lead' that every fucking scifi film has these days (excepting the innovative and brilliant Duncan Jones's Moon). By the way, strip the budget back, way back, and work within your means -- that's what made Alien so fucking good, it didn't have a kazillion dollar budget and CGI (another reason why Jones is my hope for future scifi).

  • April 23, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    LIghtning Doesn't Strike The Same Spot Twice

    by Wookie_Weed

    Is the title I tried to post. With Ridley going for a "strong female lead", it's obvious he's trying to repeat the success of Sigourney/Ripley -- ain't gonna happen!!! You can't plan to be spontaneous, buddy.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Alien Prequel WILL be in 3-D

    by PinkFloyd7

    It looks like our worst fears about the Alien prequel have come to fruition. Here's the link: http://www.collider.com/2010/04/23/ridley-scott-confirms-alien-prequel-will-be-shot-in-3d/

  • April 23, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Space Jockey? Chris Evans in space?

    by Wookie_Weed

    Huh?

  • April 23, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed Resurrection

    by Captain RawBeard

    Loved the style of it, but I agree the Ending and the Alien Human Thing was shit, but the film was WAAAAY better than both AVP films by frigging miles.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Oh for fucks sake,,,here we go again. As som

    by southafricanguy

    eone else said, cant the concept of prequals just die? Screw the guys moaning about 3D, how about wishing that the real problem of Hollywoods obsession with making prequals to everything would go away?

  • April 23, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    So first we get Vader and the Clone wars

    by southafricanguy

    ruined, then we get the Terminator future war ruined, and now we have to have all the mystique of the Alien universe ruined. Why is it so hard to understand that some things we should nt see or have overexplained? We dont need to nor should we have ever seen how Vader became Vader, or Wolverine became Wolverine. The mystery of their origins was a huge part of their appeal. And this goes even more so for the xenomorphs.....

  • April 23, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Southafricanguy

    by Captain RawBeard

    I agree with you 100%. I like the mystery more than seeing it explained... unless it is explained really really well and no has done it so far

  • April 23, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I agree about the ship, UltraTron

    by Rectal Blowout

    It felt truly "ALIEN" and not Hollywood.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Redesigned Alien

    by umbral_shadow_

    It could be even more badass. Remember that Scott and Giger had very limited budget and FX tech 30 yrs ago, and it was still the most iconic alien design ever. Imagine what they could dream up now. I recommend everyone get their hands on Giger's design book the Necronomica. It'll give you nightmares for months.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    And why must everything be stuck in looking

    by southafricanguy

    back at the past ala Star Wars. How about moving forward and giving us a great sequal tp Aliens? How about fufilling the promise of the end of Aliens? Just a thought....

  • April 23, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Strong Female Lead

    by Wookie_Weed

    You can clone Ripley, Mr Scott, but you can't clone Sigourney & what she brought to the character. To buck the trend of 'strong female leads' in scifi films, how about casting a gay man as the lead? That should piss off Limbaugh and guarantee a big box office!!

  • April 23, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The egg packaging looks like a puckered anus.

    by DickBallsworth

    A sweet, juicy, puckered anus.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Damn, forgot about Torchwood

    by Wookie_Weed

    Fuck it, just make the damn film and don't let FOX fuck it up.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Man, fuck that Gibson Alien War bullshit!

    by Sgt.Steiner

    Again, the idea of ever having Hicks and Newt in a sequel to "Aliens" would have been a total drag. Ripley playing Mommy's undercuts the bleak nature of the Alien universe. And I always thought Hicks, whule badass, was like Hudson's less-funny older brother. Man, I miss Hudson. Bill Paxton=comic gold. But, I must say Alien>Aliens. And I've had turds more interesting than Joss Whedon's script for Alien 4.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    pinkfloyd7, speak for yourself...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "Our worst fears" about the alien prequel being in 3D? I would strongly EXPECT the Alien prequel to be in 3D, and as long as it's high quality native 3D (which it will be), then that's not a negative point at all unlike what you so bizarrely claim (ditto use of CGI or mo-cap). In fact, 3D in the alien universe, particularly in capturing the atmospheric horror vibe of ridley's original, would be a considerable plus. It could make the series truly frightening once again. Just imagine the Nostromo's dank, claustrophobic, water-dripping corridors in Avatar-quality 3D (not that Titans/Alice rushed conversion garbage). That's a good thing.<p>No, the REAL 'worst fear' is if Jon Spaiht's ridiculous "Alien Harvest" script is the real deal. Which, going by the above article, it could very well be.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Giger's involvement...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I highly doubt he'll be working on this prequel. The man vowed not to work on Hollywood movies again after seeing his work bastardized so many times, and even Alien, which was the only truly successful realization of his artwork, would probably not be enough to bring him back...

  • April 23, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    wookie_weed

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    "how about casting a gay man as the lead?"<p>Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it, of sorts anyway.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    And is anyone else worried that Scott has nt

    by southafricanguy

    exactly been at the top of his game for some time now? I m a big fan, but his last couple of movies have been quite forgettable, and Robin Hood is nt sounding good.....

  • April 23, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    I have another ALIEN sequel outline.

    by KHjLL

  • April 23, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Giger

    by OmarLittleLives

    Said his dealings with Scott were his best dealings with Hollywood. I think a Ridley Scott alien movie would be about the only one that might convince him. Still, he is pretty bitter about the whole alien thing...

  • April 23, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    @OmarLittleLives And Ray Gamma

    by Media Messiah

    Hopefully we can see into the mystery of the Space Jockey without it compromising the mystery---something like I suggested above, and on par with your views.<BR><BR>George Lucas did really destroy the Star Wars mythos, and made its universe too small, like R2 and C-3PO being Anakin's robots 20 years before becoming the robots of his son, but nobody seems to remember this fact, specifically Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru??? And of course, the Force being ruined by Lucas, and the A-sexual Jedi Knights in the prequels--who were all largely stuff shirt jerks--with no sense of humor, love, passion, or any real compassion. I hope that the Alien prequel steers away from that, and returns to the gritty and scary roots of the original-- and even the fun of Aliens, its first sequel.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Just skimmed over the Alien Harvest script

    by Tall_Boy66

    Why did the Space Jockey (aka the Grower) make the two guys have forced intercourse? Then I skipped straight to the end and read the last page. Nifty last page, though. Keep that.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Turd,hows it going dude, long time

    by southafricanguy

    since we last spoke. Have you seen the interesting rumours about Avatar 2 on marketsaw.com?

  • April 23, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Turd, whats this alien harvest thing?

    by southafricanguy

  • April 23, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    The Alien Harvest script is bizarre

    by umbral_shadow_

    Even if Scott wanted to do it that way, I very much doubt the Hollywood suits would let him. And for once they would be right.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy, scroll way up

    by Tall_Boy66

    Someone posted a mediafire link, I just downloaded it literally 10 minutes ago. Just from bouncing around msg boards, I actually do kind of like where the Aliens originated from. Like I said, I just skimmed to see if the forced breeding scene was real (it is, page 25) and skipped to the end for the last page. Really good last page. I liked that one.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    sgt steiner, I disagree dude, for me its always

    by southafricanguy

    been Aliens>Alien but then they are both so damn brilliant, its like choosing between getting a blowjob from a hot chick, or doing her doggie style, either way you win...

  • April 23, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Alien prequel in native 3D will be sweet.

    by Rectal Blowout

    Upcoming Gladihood was almost 3D but it would have had to be done in post, which would of looked like garbage without spending a year on it.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Ah-Hah, but how does this movie fit into AVP continuity?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Eh, I guess stuff happened in between in centuries or the Predators had mini mutant ant hills of their own. It's set in outer space hundreds of years in future, you can make up whatever reason you want for a No-Prize. I still haven't read in the script HOW the aliens go from their first form to the final form from the series, but we'll see how that happens in the movie I guess.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    And I think killing off Hicks and Newt was one

    by southafricanguy

    of Alien 3 biggest sins as it were. That was just a big fuck you to the fans imho, and undermined all the great work Cameron did on Aliens to make us like those characters. And dude, I ask you, what does nt benefit from more Bill Paxton?

  • April 23, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    What's up, man? Yes, I have heard the rumours about Avatar 2 and Cameron's comments about taking it into an underwater environment, something I suspected he would do. Of course, that says nothing about the story, just one of the possible settings. I love underwater stuff, and it works very well in 3D, so I do like the sound of that. I do want to see other moons/planets as well, and more of the future earth society (hope he puts those scenes back in the Nov. Blu-Ray). I'm also pleased that he still has the trilogy idea in mind.<p>And in response to your other post, yes I do believe Scott's recent patchy form is cause to doubt his judgment regarding this Alien prequel. Scott has always been hit and miss, and hasn't made a sci-fi feature for 28 years. Blade Runner and Alien, definitive as they are, do not give him a free pass. I'm highly sceptical of this prequel and fear he is just doing it for the money or pressure from Fox. Of course, even if it winds up being a trainwreck, everyone will be compelled to see it regardless because it's, well...Scott and Alien.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott = Over-rated

    by SmokingRobot

    Seriously over-rated. This will be a big letdown.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Tallboy66...would it be possible to email me

    by southafricanguy

    that script? Im outside the US and I would have to download the software and shit to even begin to use mediafire......and Im a lazy cunt....

  • April 23, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    dude, you don't have to download software to use mediafire

    by Tall_Boy66

    I'm in Canada and I got it fine. It pops up, it says "click here to start download" and off you go. check it: http://tinyurl.com/27x3kq6

  • April 23, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Brilliant

    by cwalker28

    Somebody ought to make a movie about a bunch of misguided moviegoers and self-styled critics going to a website and beating the hell out of every single idea or mention that comes out of Hollywood. They could call it something obscure like...."Talkback">>>>>

  • April 23, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Alien Harvest

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    This is the purported script for the Alien prequel. Several sources reported it as fake, though I heard that Fox contacted various webmasters/hosts and asked that it be removed (though that doesn't necessarily make it legit). Scott's comments above, which closely match the story of this script, would seem to indicate that it could indeed be real. You may still be able to find it online. I do not have it, but I have read it. I can't remember where; I think one of the Alien fansites (Alien Experience)?<p>In any case, it is deeply, deeply awful. But not just bad - truly bizarre and, I think, unfilmable. If it's a fake, then the guy who wrote it did a good job. It is not a badly written script in and of itself, quite professional actually, but as an alien movie...hell, no.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    THEY WERE ON THE WAY TO THE HOOKER PLANET

    by HaterofCrap

    elephant chair people like to party too

  • April 23, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Turd....cool man. Actually Im talking about

    by southafricanguy

    the rumours posted today at marketsaw. That it will take place a few years later, lay the groundwork for travel to the other Moons. That it will be weirder, and that it will be more of an action film. Also, each film will stand alone, not really a trilogy per se. Could go much further...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Interesting about the script Turd, why would

    by southafricanguy

    you say its so bizzare?

  • April 23, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Tallboy...thanks dude. Will give it a go...

    by southafricanguy

  • April 23, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I started writing an Alien 5 script just for fun

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    This was many years ago. Takes place a few years after Alien: Resurrection. Earth is a dystopian shithole. Ripley is leading a ragtag armed resistance. Call is a tech officer in the group.</p><p>The script opens with them breaking into Area 51 because this is where the Alien artifacts are being kept (yeah I know, but it was just for fun ok?). During the fighting the eggs get triggered.</p><p>I never got much further than that, but it was going to be absolute pandemonium as the xenomorphs spread everywhere. You can just imagine how cool it would be to see hordes of them pouring through a populated area. People locking thermselves up anyplace they could find, only to have them smash in.</p><p>Anyway, eventually everything is fucked, their is no government and the military has no leradership. There are pockets of militants who have the resources to put up a defense, but most of humanity is wiped out. Ripley then organizes them and they get to a big space cruiser. They blast off and...nuke Earth from orbit. The film ends with Ripley Captaining the ship and laying in a course for Archeron to take the fight to the xenomorphs.</p><p>And of course Alien 6 would be the war to destroy the Alien homeworld.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Wrong

    by Cobbio

    Damn, talk about an utterly unnecessary movie.<p> How about a new movie, Ridley? You know, about something new? About something we haven't seen before? That hasn't been done to fucking death?<p> No more Alien or Aliens, please.<p> From a creative standpoint, the franchise is fucking dead.<p> I'm sure Ripley is going into production with this, but goddamn, how about trying something new?<p> Never mind...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    ah.....

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Yes, I read that as well. Again, I expected that Cameron would take things in a much more daring direction with the prequels, just to stick it to the 'hard sci-fi' snobs, and I hope that spy report is correct. When he says 'not a trilogy', I don't think that means that there won't be an over-arching story, just that each film can stand alone just as the original does, with a definitve beginning and end. I definitely DON'T want Avatar 2 and 3 to be essentially one long movie split in half like the Matrix or Pirates sequels, complete with a cheesy 'to be continued' cliffhanger at the end. That's annoying and feels like a cheat (like saying to the viewer 'come back in 6 months and pay again to see the rest of the movie!'), and I think Cameron feels the same way since he said in a 2006 interview that each film in the Avatar (and Battle Angel) trilogies would stand alone and that he doesn't feel that 'the audience should be driven over a cliff at the end of the second movie'. Of course, the Marketsaw article (and like anything else on that site, or this one for that matter, should be taken with a grain of salt)seems to hint at more films than even a trilogy. Again, Cameron suggested that there might even be a fourth movie in another interview, so who the heck knows?

  • April 23, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Is Alien Harvest JetL1993's script?

    by Wookie_Weed

    Cause he'll be rewriting it anyway.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Right on, Cobbio -- something new please!

    by Wookie_Weed

    Like Duncan Jones did with Moon. The Alien franchise has no mystery left -- and the big rule of horror is that you never reveal all of the mystery, you only open the door a crack and let the audience have a glimpse of what's inside. The door has been fucking knocked down and the room lit up by military searchlights harnessing the power of the sun. It's game over man.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    The Dark Horse comics that were released before Alien 3

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    were better than anything in the sequels after Aliens. It would have been easy to formulate good sequels to Aliens - an earth setting for 3 and then the Alien home planet for 4 - or vice-versa. That's all that needed to be done, along with continuing with the family angle of the Hicks/Newt/Ripley triumvirate and expanding that to include new characters. They really could have had something there. But of course Fox were too damn cheap to pony up the money.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    wookieweed....seriously, something new?

    by southafricanguy

    Like Moon? No offence my friend, and totally cool if you liked it, but I did nt find Moon very new. To be honest it felt like any 1970s arty sci-fi film I ve ever seen. Specifically silent running, with a litte Alien and 2001 thrown in. And the I figured out the twist about 30 min in. Unfortunatly there is very little that could actually qualify as new. Even District 9, as great as it is, borrows quite heavily from Alien Nation, and the Fly. So whil I love it, there was nt much about it I had nt seen before...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah, you make good points Turd. And I agree

    by southafricanguy

    with you about taking it all with a big pinch of salt. But to be fair ol Jim Dorey does really appear to have someone inside Lightstorm as He has been proven correct a number of times in the past in relation to some of his "rumours"...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Re: Wookie Weed

    by Cobbio

    I agree with you on your points. Look what happens when a filmmaker, even a well-established one, makes a science fiction film about something new.<p> You get "Moon." Or "District 9." Or "Avatar." All of which did very well at the box office in 2009 without shitting all over viewers' imaginations.<p> It's all about trying something new. Establishing new characters, new aliens, new worlds, new conflicts, new dramas. Giving audiences something they've never seen before. If the film is well-made, it's like a breath a fresh air everyone can take.<p> Also, regarding the horror reveal of Alien, you're right in proclaiming "The door has been fucking knocked down and the room lit up by military searchlights harnessing the power of the sun."<p> Well-written, since yes, this is absolutely true. And if Ridley Scott were half the filmmaker he used to be, he'd see this too.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I was off base with Moon's twist

    by Tall_Boy66

    I honestly though, like parallel universe or time travel duplicate. Didn't see it for it's simplicity.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    For all the claims about Scott should know better

    by Tall_Boy66

    Maybe the guy just wants to make a sci-fi monster movie again? The way he's talking about changing the creatures around to twist into something new, kinda seems to be that he wants less than to make another Alien movie than to make another sci-fi monster movie, and if he can connect it back to one of his earlier flicks, why not?

  • April 23, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    So Turd, could you give me a bit of detail as to

    by southafricanguy

    why the Alien Harvest script is so bizzare?

  • April 23, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Tallboy....I thought the twist was so damn

    by southafricanguy

    obvious that I then thought It could nt be because surely they would nt make it so obvious, so i thought it was a red herring, but no...it really was that obvious....

  • April 23, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    But I think Cobbio is damn right, I dont think

    by southafricanguy

    its any accident that it was Avatar and District 9, and to a lesser extent Moon (7 mil at the b.o isnt exactly a big success) were all so commercially and critically successful was because they werent adapted from anything and were "original" (though all obviously influenced by other things). Hollywood really needs to stop this prequal/reboot shit...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    It's over Prime.

    by OnO

    For god sakes really a prequel to one of the most top 50 influential sci-fi movies ever. Alien is always under the 50 mark and now a look at the Jockey's story after years of crappy Predator tie-ins. I know it's too late, but with that said Mr Scott I wished someone had pushed you for a Sequel or a complete over haul of Alien3 rather than the prequel route . Focusing you on returning the Alien franchise back to a inspired retelling of the Texas Chain Saw Massacre in space. Returning to the claustrophobia and gut wrenching tension that filled the screen in the 70s. I hope that happens, but really the Alien has been drug out of the shadows and it's shock value dismissed to the point of Abbott and Costello hitting it with a cane and a top hat. Good luck sir I hope you make me eat my trepidation over this new film.

  • April 24, 2010, midnight CST

    Yeah

    by Cobbio

    I too was off base with Moon's twist, Tall_Boy66. Yeah, I thought there was going to be a multiverse conflict or something, but the actual unfolding was intriguingly creepy in its simplicity.<p> Plus it was great to watch Sam Rockwell's character try and deal with such an odd situation. He gave the character real life.<p> "Moon" wasn't a groundbreaking film, it's true, southafricanguy. But I feel it was a fresh take on questionable futuristic corporate money-making tactics. There were definitely obvious influences on the story, but I had never seen THIS film before, know what I mean? It felt fresh.<p> Unlike what Ridley Scott seems to want to do with his new Alien.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Term

    by Cobbio

    I think the term "prequelitis" sums it up.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    That Bluray set looks fucking awesome.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Holy shit I hope that's true with the pics of that limited edition set. Would love to get my hands on one of those!

  • April 24, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    it's a bad call, RIDLEY, it's a bad call...

    by frank cotton

    after AVATAR, it will have to be some enviromental message movie. pass

  • April 24, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Bad call? Bad call?

    by Tall_Boy66

    These people are DEAD, FRANK COTTON?! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE?!

  • April 24, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Damn, Aliens so easily the most quotable of the series

    by Tall_Boy66

    This is why I really liked Avatar, but didn't love it like Aliens - the script simply isn't as well written.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Something To Think About

    by Cobbio

    Would you rather hear: a) This summer, from Ridley Scott, the director of Alien and Blade Runner, comes "(movie name)," a sweeping science fiction story unlike any you've ever seen before.<p> or<p> b) This summer, from Ridley Scott, the director of Alien and Blade Runner, comes "Alien Harvest," the director's return to his Alien universe.<p> Think about it.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Amen, ObiBen.

    by thegreatwhatzit

  • April 24, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    If Scott is talking about a strong female lead

    by Tall_Boy66

    They two main male characters who have the uncomfortable psychic Space Jockey alien sex, were either turned into two females, or a male and a female.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy, the script is so bizarre

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    because of not only the elements contained therein, but because it contains almost no horror elements whatsoever and delivers so little of what anyone would expect or want from an Alien movie. <p>The main characters are two humans who were stranded on the jockeys' planet (which reads like a description of Idaho farmlands - so much for atmosphere or threatening alien environments) and are induced to violent buggery when one of the seemingly benign jockeys peers into the window of their quarters, and uses mind control to make them breed (because they figure there is only one sex in the human species just like their race). So the two main characters have a gay relationship throughout the story, while they perform terraforming duties for the creatures. The alien in the story is nothing more than a literal ant native to the planet, but somehow after an encounter with one of the humans' pet cat (the jockeys laugh at its antics during a picnic on the grass because they like cats apparently) it begins to mutate (I can't remember the details)and turns into a cat/alien hybrid which one of the gay humans battles with kung fu. By the way, the jockeys wear purple cloaks and are quite benign.<p> Anyway there is also a completely pointless parallel story of a human ship tracking the jockey ship later on (after the two cocoa shunters have loaded it up with ant alien cargo) and which amounts to absolutely fuck all, except an excuse for more inter-crew balling (of the hetero variety this time, thankfully). Well not entirely pointless; it's how Weyland Yutani learns of the alien ship from the first movie. They try to shoot the jockey ship down but are unsuccessful. <p>Interspersed throughout these two stories we get a pendantic series of scenes showing the jockey ship crash on LV-426 and the alien hatching from the stomach and laying eggs in the cargo hold. Also, we find out the jockey was not fossilized over millenia but that this alien sucked its skin off for nutrition since this story tkes place a mere five years before the start of Alien. We end with a acene of Ash being programmed with special order 937 some months, later.<p>I'm sure that doesn't do it justice, but let me tell you this movie will bomb hard, because half the audience will walk out once kindly mr. space jockey, dressed in his fine purple tunic, peers in the window with his bedroom eyes and makes the two main characters get all hot and horny.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Cameron RUINED the mystery of ALIEN

    by Sir Loin

    Don't get me wrong, he made a terrific action film. But it basically turned the aliens into a bunch of semi-mindless drones. The first film showed a creature that had enough intelligence to sneak up on its prey and even cocoon them to reproduce. You don't get that in Cameron's film, they just snatch 'n' grab humans for egg implantation and then veg out on the walls until the marines show up. Then they just allow themselves to be mowed down by automatic weapons. LAME. As intended, the aliens are much more cunning and terrifying, and hopefully Ridley will get back to that aspect. We don't need the space jockey's backstory, but seeing new alien environments and variations with today's tech could be amazing.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST

    BTW, the above article does not mention that

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Scott is apparently developing TWO Alien prequels....

  • April 24, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I'm Spaihts. Jon Spaihts. I work for the company.

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy. I'm glad to see you're feeling a little better. They, uh, they tell me that all the weakness and disorientation should pass soon. It's just natural side effects of such an unusually absurd script, or something like that.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    You're crazy, Spaihts, you know that?

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    You really think you can get a ridiculous concept like that past AICN quarantine?

  • April 24, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Hey, be nice, Scott is on a 4th draft

    by Tall_Boy66

    That could be a first draft kicking around, y'know.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    This franchise is dead Spaihts!

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Don't you have any idea what you have done here? I'm gonna make sure they nail you right to the wall for this, you're not gonna sleaze your way out of this one. Right to the wall.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I hope you’re right. I really do. Because just one of those scripts killed the entire franchise in less than twenty four hours and if these filmmakers have used that concept mentioned above, there’s no telling how many drafts are infected. Do..you..understand?

  • April 24, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Movies that suck according to TBers:

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    1) All of them. Continue.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    TheUmpireStrokesBach...y'know, I expected more from you

    by Tall_Boy66

    *gently knocked fist against the wall* I thought you'd be smarter than this....

  • April 24, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    After all those shitty Aliens Vs Predator things

    by RPLocke

    they really think audiences are going to flock to this one?

  • April 24, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Resurrection is fucking great you LOSERS

    by quantize

    someone with a genuine original vision for an Alien film and you shit on it? It's fucking entertaining, stylish and gruesome..yeh sure the hybrid sucked..but the rest rocks. Fuck the losers on this site.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    resurrection

    by RPLocke

    It was a sci fi TV movie that somehow got on the big screen.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    ...

    by ihatetalkbacks

    I hope the SPace Jockey will be a man in a suite. Large and bulky like the first space suits used in Alien. They could then composit it into a larger form. It would mean that the Jockey would not be over powering in physicality. I hope its large and lumbering with a real sence of weight too. Will this be a horror film, as the second was an action film? Bet they mess up with terrible casting. It would be nice to have a largely nglish cast again like 1 and 3. 2085 seems very close to be having large space ships etc. It is in our life time...

  • April 24, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Oh man ... Resurection...

    by ihatetalkbacks

    The faults are endless: No characters or development of them. Ripley is totally different as character. Weavers acting in this one is a little "theatrical at times" Ludicrus pacing. Gaping holes in the plot - they wander around and the Aliens dont show up unless the script calls for them. The script is cluttered compared to the other films. No drama except the flooded corridor. The Queen is basically ignored. The alien is very rubbery and has turned into Jason from Friday the 13th.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Wow, that Alien Harvest script is fucking AWFUL

    by ol' painless

    Is it hoax, or is it for real? Because if this John Spaihts guy is supposed to be the 'hot' sci-fi writer at the moment, then the ALIENS franchise is fucking DOOMED.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Quantize

    by ol' painless

    Resurrection was merely adequate sci-fi. Not awful. But its not enough. And the ALIENS franchise deserves GREATNESS.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Well Tall_Boy66...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I'm happy to disappoint you.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Wow Turd, that sounds both insane as in

    by southafricanguy

    100% batshit crazy insane. In fact it sounds so fucking crazy, it must be real (though probably an early draft) when you consider some of the insane ideas that have led to some films development. Lets remember that Alien 3 started out as being about a wooden space ship with a medeival society living inside it......

  • April 24, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Sorry, I meant wooden space station, because

    by southafricanguy

    you know? Who the hell would buy a wooden space ship? Ridiculous! But as its a wooden space station, it all makes sense now....

  • April 24, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    @southafricanguy, yeah I agree moon is a homage

    by Wookie_Weed

    but it did so well, it felt fresh and new -- that's what i'm getting at. It's old-school innovation that worked within its means & limitations, unlike the flood of big-budget CGI saturated scifi we've been getting the last 20 years. That's why Moon gets a lot of love from me. It's why I hope Scott gets why we all love Moon and Distric 9 -- why we loved Alien. It was 30 years ago, but surely he can remember what it was like making a movie with limitations on tech, making the most of what you had and being as innovative as Harry Knowles in a zero-g room with Yoko. Forget the $1billion budget with CGI coming out of every shot's kazoo. Make it real. Remember your roots, man.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    PS Anyone remember William Gibson's Alien3 script?

    by Wookie_Weed

    The space station shopping mall scenes would have been worth the price of admission alone.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Here's a link to William Gibson's Alien3

    by Wookie_Weed

    Enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/y6y4z6 (it's at Awesome Film dot com).

  • April 24, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Didn't Gibson's Alien3 have people turning into aliens

    by Tall_Boy66

    Like it was suddenly an airborne virus, someone takes a few huffs and then, POOF!, they just turn into an Alien. It's been years since I read it but I remember that bit. Dunno if that would have worked, but to be honest there's a bad guy in Resident Evil 5 that does about the same thing and it scares the hell out of me everytime.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Yes, I know Scott's original had people turning into Aliens too

    by Tall_Boy66

    But I don't really like that sequence anyway, and it isn't really a pacing thing in the film, it's just that I think the Queen is a much, much cooler idea. There's already enough "body horror" in the chestburster already, and someone turning into an egg half their size doesn't really do it for me. The Queen? That's one big bitch, yo. Also yet another reason why I think the ending of Alien Resurrection stinks - the Newborn kills the Queen in a lame "my bad guy is better than yours" moment. Argh. Newborn. Hate, hate, hate.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Gibson's script was OK

    by ol' painless

    At least he didn't ruthlessly slaughter the Newt and Hicks characters. They could have been the future of this franchise, but Hill and Giler disposed of them like they were kleenex. That really pissed Cameron off, and I totally agree with him.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    The only bit of the Alien Harvest script

    by umbral_shadow_

    that should be used is Ash being programmed with the Special Order. I guess they can use a younger Ian Holm image like they did with Schwarzenegger in TS. Everything else should go. The Space Jockeys need to be mean motherfuckers, not friendly elephant men. There should be a scene when they capture some humans and impregnate them with alien eggs to see if their creation is successful. The Space Jockeys need to be badass, you don't want to mess with them.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    "Cameron RUINED the mystery of ALIEN"

    by BurnHollywood

    One way to put up with the abrupt change in Alien tactics is to think of the critter in ALIEN (and ALIEN3) as a "scout" Alien...a sentient creature whose job is to gauge whether a colony is feasible or not and impregnate some poor sap (like Ripley) with a queen 'burster, then protect it.<p> The Aliens in ALIENS are thus "soldiers", semi-sentient pack animals designed only to guard the hive and collect 'hugger recipients. You'll notice that the two have a markedly different appearance...the "scout" has a shell around its head (maybe to endure vacuum as it explores) while the "soldier" doesn't.<p> Don't know if this was the intent, but shit, it OUGHTTA be.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of Alien adapting

    by umbral_shadow_

    to its environment. In Alien 3 early stages the action was going to be on a glass planet, so they made the alien made of a transparent glass-like material. That would have been so cool and badass. The alien in the first three films were dark and mechanoid to adapt to the human interiors. Basically the alien should mimic whatever environment its in.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST

    billybigbollocks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I was going to argue with you about Alien 3 being shit, until I saw you thought Alien Resurrection was sublime.

  • April 24, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Hicks Alien3

    by Wookie_Weed

    Wasn't Michael Biehn contracted to another movie, FOX wouldn't wait so they had Hicks killed off? And the kid who played Newt, Carrie Hen, was too old, didn't want to do another alien film anyway, and they had some sort of trouble getting another kid to play Newt. And while all of this was going on, Fox was Go GO GO! and Fincher was like, we aren't ready!, and Fox was hiring and firing scriptwriters so fast, not even JettL1993 could have saved the day.

  • April 24, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Alien has been raped and pillaged so many times....

    by BumLove

    ....that it was eventual that someone would start using the space jockey...so at least it's the guy who put him in the first film to begin with. I don't worry about this ruining the mystique of Alien. That's been done already.

  • April 24, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    They may as well throw in a psychotic leprechaun

    by Wookie_Weed

    and be done with it.

  • April 24, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Alien Vs Leprechaun

    by Wookie_Weed

    C'mon, you know you want it!

  • April 24, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Re Newt in Alien3

    by umbral_shadow_

    I think Alan Dean Foster had a good idea as to keeping Newt alive but out of the movie. Basically her cryo capsule is damaged in the crash and is leaking, so they are unable to take her out of it. So she spends the movie in her cryo capsule, asleep but not dead. That would have kept her out of the story but keep her character available for future films.

  • April 24, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    The biggest reason Scott wants this movie

    by MurderMostFowl

    He signed on in a vain attempt to take away the glory from Cameron. I bet it has pissed him off to no end, that Scott was the person who created the genre, he's the one who took all the risks, set the tone, etc, and then cameron waltzes in an makes a movie so awesome that people add Scott's film in as a footnote when they talk about Aliens "oh yeah, you really ought to see the first one. It was cool too , I mean not s cool as this, but it was cool." <BR><BR> If he has balls he would make the true Alien 3 , war on earth. <BR><BR> Here's to hoping that Alien 0 ( as anime would call it ) is realy good so that James Cameron says to himself, "Well if Ridley can do it, then... fuck it, I'm doing Te earth war movie, and I'm calling it Alien fucking 3 "

  • April 24, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Weve had the Alien in darkness

    by ihatetalkbacks

    and we all know what it looks like - what if it was on a pristine new white space ship - like an Alphaville set. The monster would always be visible but would move and behave differently to make the horror. It would be more acrobatic and more cunning like in Alien, possibly stalking too

  • April 24, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    i hate it when people bang on about earth war

    by ihatetalkbacks

    It would negate Ripleys struggle in the first films, her and we as a view would have failed. After Aliens none of the films opened up the premis of the earlier films. Politics, rival companies or countries, established colonies could all have been brought in. Earth war always seemed like a lazy and obvious plot

  • April 24, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck up another mystery, explain another origin.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Goddamn origin stories, goddamn adaptations of comic books and games, and goddamn remakes. Creativity.

  • April 24, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    How about the ugly, disgusting, cockroach like Aliens

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Invade the beautiful landscape of Pandora and mouth rape the Navi... I would buy that for a dollar.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I've been waiting for year to finally know...

    by rbatty024

    what happened to that space jockey. The tagline for this film should be, "The mystery will finally be solved...for that weird alien dude that we see for thirty seconds in the first movie. Seriously, what was up with that guy?"

  • April 24, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Oh, and those who think Aliens has surpassed...

    by rbatty024

    the original: I'm sorry but as much as I enjoy the sequel, Ridley Scott's first film is still the best of the bunch. Alien is wonderfully atmospheric and filled with a number of great performances, the kind you would only get in the 1970s. <p> Aliens is an enjoyable action film and it was smart enough to switch genres so that Cameron wasn't competing with Scott, but it's not nearly the masterpiece that Alien was.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    So it's going to be a movie with all motion captured

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Creatures and CGI'd Aliens without humans? I'm sure it's not just about Space Jockey, if that's the case, I'll re-watch MOON. Also, the Space Jockey and his peeps should speak in subtitles.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    My Midichlorian comment

    by gotilk

    was probably a bit off. Truth is, I'd love nothing more than to see a bad-ass but moody and creepy like the first Alien movie get made. I think a lot of people think pure SCALE will make a great new Alien movie. A war on earth, a war on the Alien planet.. while sounding good on paper.. might not work on screen as well as you think it could. Lots of shitty movies do scale well. Look at the Mummy sequels, or even Alien Vs Predator. Lots of scale, not much fun. That first Alien film had mood and creepiness down to an art, literally. From the slowly increasing pace down to the quiet heartbeat in the soundtrack. It was a near-perfect horror film. LARGER is not going to neccesarily make a new Alien film great. It could be used.. say as a finale to something slower and stranger. But the real key is going to be finding a character as compelling as Ripley.. or Ash.. DAMN, I have to go back and watch the first one again now that I have a big screen.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    They all look so young in the clip...

    by Tom_Bombadil

    I haven't watched the movie in a while so they all look so young. This was the first R rated movie I could legally see back when it came out. Cameron and Scott both made good Alien movies. Their styles were just very different.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    when i go to see this at the cinema im going to say:

    by CARTMANEZ

    "One to Ridley Scotts new Alien film please" just in case my younger self is somehow listening or looking in on what im doing in the future and gets his(mine) mind blown...<p> its kind of the same deal as a forth Indy or an Episode VII or a Cameron directed future war T5 - something you thought would never get made is there - almost like youd stepped into an alternate universe where shit like that happens

  • April 24, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    CAMERON SHOULD DO ALIEN 6

    by CARTMANEZ

    he was prepping Alien 5 with Scott when PWSA fucked it all up...if Scotts Alien prequel brings back the series in a big way Cameron might want to do whatever he was working on back then? - he still seems hard for the Alien series (unlike Terminator)....

  • April 24, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    the Alien films - BEST TO WORST

    by CARTMANEZ

    Alien/Aliens - cant decided which is best ***** out of ***** <p> A3 ***<P> AvP ***<p> A4 **<P> AvP2 * 1/2 <p> i dont see how you could place them in any other order than that

  • April 24, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    next up i want an interview with SS about INDIANA 5

    by CARTMANEZ

    more Aliens please....

  • April 24, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Re: Space Jockey/ALIENS Comix

    by ArmageddonProductions

    The Space Jockey's species figured prominently in Dark Horse's ALIENS series (a.k.a. - the story they should have adapted for the third ALIEN movie). In the comic, Newt and Hicks both survived, Ripley had gone missing, people on Earth were getting telepathic transmissions from the aliens, a grown-up Newt and Hicks accompanied a ship full of Marines to the aliens' homeworld (and in a bizarre twist, Newt discovers that all the Marines are androids) and the Space Jockeys show up on Earth in the same kind of ships as the derelict from ALIEN, wearing spacesuits (not a good look) and turning out to be the species charged with protecting everybody else from the aliens.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection had a great look

    by cgih8r

    I loved the style of this movie, and it's good to see some of you pointing it out. It had some cool characters in it too. It does not deserved to be compared to the dog shit that was AVP and whatever that thing was that followed it.

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  • April 24, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I really cannot see James cameron making

    by emeraldboy

    a film like aliens ever again. not when he is tied up with making movies like avatar. the days of that kind of filmmaking are over for good.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I never understood...

    by blackwood

    what the fuck I was looking at with the Space Jockey. Okay, there are bones - at first I thought it was lying on its back, looking up, but then it has a spine coming out of its face, so that can't be it... and then what appears to be its arms would support the lying-on-back theory, unless that's the chair, and, and, WHAT THE HELL?!? So if nothing else I look forward to seeing what it looks like. I hope Ridley can pull this off. I think he can. I'm not opposed to a 'prequel' as long as it doesn't answer questions no one asked. I wonder if he has the balls to make it with no subtitles, no English and no humans. Probably not.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Some concepts work better undefined and mysterious

    by DoctorWho?

    Like how Annakin became Darth Vader.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Ridley can do it

    by IamZardoz

    First, any Aliens together with Predators sux, period. Second, the first and second Alien moves were the best but were clearly different types of pictures. Actually, I like the first half of the first Alein the best, on the Nostromo, landing and exploring that bizarre derelict. Ill go see any new Ridley sci-fi but I agree I wish he would do something new rather than rehash Alien or Blade Runner.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    but Id rather he do...

    by IamZardoz

    "Rondevous with Rama" or even better, "Childhood's End". Nobody has touched these AC Clarke stories and they need to be done by a guy like Ridley.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott was, at one point, one of my favorite...

    by rbatty024

    directors. Unfortunately, in the last couple of decades he has relegated himself to making mediocre to okay action films. It's as if he's not interested in pushing himself anymore.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Exactly Blackwood

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> I liked someone's idea of a prequel going back when the alien jockey race first met the "Alien". The film would be narrated by Sigourney Weaver and have no humans until they jump into the future showing in the last 5 minutes of the film when man discovered the ship. </P> <P> To see these 15-20" tall space jockeys going about their business would be fucking cool. Their technology, their planet, etc. </P> <P> "Rendezvous with Rama" would an awesome film to see, especially filmed in native 3D. Fincher/Freeman were to be collaborating on it. But have heard that is dead. </P>

  • April 24, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Rama

    by redkamel

    Some SF llike that would be mindblowing

  • April 24, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    CGIh8r that's because the writer of Alien4 was a hack

    by MurderMostFowl

    Yeah I went there. That person who went on to do admirable, but not all that impressive, things puts "style" and banter above substance in everything he does. What did you expect? <BR><BR>Maybe Whedon wouldn't have been so bad, if there was a director worth their salt in the chair. I guess they figured it was a step up from Alien 3 at the time. Boy were they wrong. Yes the visuals were impressive. If only they weren't a disjointed mess. <BR><BR> And my personal pet peeve of the century, the way the Alien dies in the end... we've had 2 freaking movies that illustrate that the aliens can survive the vacuum of space, and a 3rd one that says it can survive the initial heat of molten lead ( or whatever that was ) , and some moron thinks the best way to end the movie is some ACME "Roger Rbbbit" style suck me through a hole gag? ( and apparently missing that day in high school when we learn that the power of a total vacuum, aint all that powerful ) <BR> If it hadn't been at the end of the movie, I would have walked ... <BR><BR> ahem, sorry I'm apparently still holding that grudge. I need a drink

  • April 24, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Alien Harvest=Brokeback Alien

    by shmu65

    I'm not lying. Read it. Two gay dudes. Being gay. Enslaved by the Space Jockeys. Forcing them to be gay. Oh and there is some mini-aliens here and there. And two dudes being gay. Seriously, if this gets made, it'll be vilified. WORSE than AvP 1 & 2 and I didn't think that was possible.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Gay aliens do not a bad movie make.

    by blackwood

    Fact.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Fine. Alien Harvest=Scrotie McBoogerballs

    by shmu65

    BARRRRRRRF!!! And the aliens aren't gay. The two HUMANS are. Got no problems with gays. But when they're the focal point of an Alien movie instead of the ALIENS, then yeah, I have a problem with that.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Plus

    by shmu65

    Spaihts' "Shadow 19" is pretty effin cool so ummm... what the hell happened with AH???

  • April 24, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    i want him to do SNOW CRASH

    by frank cotton

    really rather see the WACHOWSKI BROTHERS do it, but damn, i just want to see it get done. back when i worked in IT, and had the time, i read 5 ALIEN3 scripts. what we got was a mish-mash of 4 of them. and while RESURRECTION isn't the greatest film of all time, it is still better than 9 out of 10 sci-fi films. i like the bad RIPLEY

  • April 24, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    why see this garbage?

    by johnnyg korrupt

    When a few years back Cameron was tapped to script the Ridley Scott directed Alien sequel starring Sigourney AND Arnold

  • April 24, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    ALIEN vs Na'vi = box office GOLD

    by Sir Loin

    Like somebody else mentioned earlier, that would be an amazing film! The mining company teams up with Weyland-Yutani and returns to Pandora with a hefty number of alien eggs or facehuggers, which they disperse across the planet. Imagine an alien chestbursting from a Na'vi, and what it would look like fully matured. The mining company thinks it's troubles are over until Predators show up to hunt Na'vi, Na'vi aliens, AND humans (and any human-borne aliens). MAKE IT HAPPEN, CAMERON AND SCOTT.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Sirloin......never gonna happen on film, though

    by southafricanguy

    conceivably Aliens, Predator, Avatar could all exist in the same universe. But I am willing to bet money that even thought they dont have the license to make Avatar comics yet, Dark Horse comics are already hatching plans for just such a crossover....

  • April 24, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Emeraldboy.....I agree with you...yet. Consider

    by southafricanguy

    ing his track record with sequals Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt first, and wait and see what he does with Avatar 2 first. Especially as the rumours are starting to trickle out that Avatar 2 will be a war movie, and have a lot more action. And this certainly fits with Camerons previous approach to sequals where he changes the genre of the first film to an action film for the sequal...

  • April 24, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    As for Scott, certainly one of my favourite

    by southafricanguy

    directors too, but can anyone say they have found his output of the last few years to have been particularly good, or that they are excited about Robin Hood?

  • April 25, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Fareal: agreed

    by Sir Loin

    That was one of the creepiest sounds I'd ever heard! They describe it in the Heavy Metal comic adaptation, but to actually hear it makes it all the more disturbing...all the more reason we don't need a space jockey origin story.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of redesigning the Alien..

    by _Venkman

    as a precursor to the species we see in the original films.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Alien: Res...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    ...as much as most of you mooks. Most of the movie was fairly watchable until the Newborn came along. Some of the best scenes showed that the aliens weren't just mindless drones out for blood.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Take out the last 15 min, Resurrection is quite good

    by Tall_Boy66

    It just takes a HUGE shit not only over the movie proper but all over the franchise itself when the Newborn pops up. And that's not the directors fault, the Newborn is an awful concept that came directly from Whedon's first draft? Rest of the movie? Pretty rockin. It just has one of the worst endings I've ever seen with one of the lamest concepts and executions of that concept. Bad, bad, bad ending. Really solid aside from that, though.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    If This Is PG-13 or 12.

    by pr1c3y

    I am going to kill Ridley Scott with a sub machine gun then reload and visit Cameron as he is a unholy PG-13 money machine now.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    RESURRECTION does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I've only watched ALIEN RESURRECTION once upon its first release so I don't have a detailed memory of it but I remember thinking that the low-key naturalism and believeability that made ALIEN so impressive were entirely gone.<p> Instead we had a 'comic book' movie with garish sets, flamboyant camera moves and a 'larger than life' cast - even Sigourney seemed to be playing it with a knowing wink in her eye. It's the Alien franchises equivalent of BATMAN & ROBIN.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:55 a.m. CST

    avatar two is war movie...?

    by emeraldboy

    really. i wonder is thier a different tribe in the oceans of pandora. who were kicked off the land by the land living N'avi. jake will have to choose sides. he will have to do the same thing that quaritch wanted him to do. except now he is a N'avi. in other words spy all over again.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST

    This depresses me

    by AsimovLives

  • April 25, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    billybigbollocks

    by AsimovLives

    In Mexico, they speak spanish. do you speak american or do you speak english? See? Same thing with the mexicans. You guys live in THE AMERICAS, in countries which were former colonies from european empires. Go learn some basic History 101.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Whjen people talk about bad Ridley Scott movies made after GLADI

    by AsimovLives

    ... what movie are they talking about? Even A GOOD YEAR is not considered a bad movie, and that's Scott's weakest efforts since GLADIATOR. Really, what the fuck is this talk about Scott's supposedly post-GLADIATOR bad movies? Who says this, Mickey Bay's TRANSFORMERS fans/appologists?

  • April 25, 2010, 5:42 a.m. CST

    As for an ALIEN prequel...

    by AsimovLives

    ... i'd rather a new sequel to the saga, thank you very much. Or a story set in the same universe and running paralel to the Ripley saga, if Sigourney Weaver doesn't want to return. But the notion of a prequel whose goal is to desmystify the Space Jockey sounds like a terrible idea to me. The movie might end up very well made (d'uhhh!) and it might even have interesting elements and good awesome scenes of alien action, but i think it will infirm from a bad concept which will saboutage the whole thing. And idon't about you, but i'm getting pretty tired of very expensive well made movies with wasted good elements made from a basic concept that was dumb and ill-conceived from the start.

  • April 25, 2010, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Star Trek vs Aliens

    by CARTMANEZ

    http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=37499<p> a Trek v Aliens comic would make a lot more sense than most also this<p>: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBSf6ooInJg<p>

  • April 25, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    a PG13 Alien would break my heart

    by CARTMANEZ

    i know AvP was PG13 but that wasnt really an alien film..more of a video game or comic adapation<p> but seeing a PG13 Die Hard and then Terminator just about made me lose the will to live...<p> However i really doubt Scott would fuck us in the ass like that

  • April 25, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    they will NEVER made a sequel to Alien 4 with Weaver

    by CARTMANEZ

    as theyd have to acknowledge Resurrection...<p>

  • April 25, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Asimov....hows it going dude? Do you really

    by southafricanguy

    think Im a Mike Bay/Transformers 2 apologist because Im unimpressed with Scotts recent output? C'mon Asimov! Im a big fan of Scott, and I love Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator, BHD, and KOH directors cut, but lets not sit here and delude ourselves. Scotts output wasnt very good in the late 80s and much of the 90s either. Are you going to seriously tell me Gijane, Someone to watch over me White Squall, and the piece of shit Hannibal were very good movies? Hell even 1492,A movie I personally like, is quite flawed. Though he did make the awsome imho Black Rain. Thelma and Louise I dont give a shit about, but it was a good film. Gladiator was a return to form which I think can be fairly argued to have lasted up till KOH:directors cut. Since then we have had just ok films from him, certainly not bad, but nothing to get excited about either. And the thing that worries me about an Alien prequal (aside from what a fucking bad idea it is), is an Alien prequal made by Scott, because of what we are hearing about Robin Hood. Namely that he has brought nothing new to it, and that it seems as if he was bored making it. It he does the same thing with an Alien prequal......

  • April 25, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Emeraldboy....interesting ideas, however

    by southafricanguy

    according to marketsaw aside from the switch to all out war, Avatar 2 will take place several years later, lay the groundwork for the exploration of the other moons orbiting the gas giant. Jim Dorey's (the dude that runs marketsaw) source inside Lightstorm also claims that some major threat to Pandora is on its way from the outside (alien invasion maybe?). All these rumours have to be taken with a big grain of salt of course, but it cant be denied that marketsaw was right about many things regarding info about Avatar for a long time leading up to it.....

  • April 25, 2010, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai.....Iv enever really thought about

    by southafricanguy

    it that way, but you make some pretty good points about the stylistic difference of AR, I dont think its bad enough to be compared to B+R personally, but it is possibly the series's nadir. And Im afraid Whedon (an otherwise good writer) cant be let off the hook here, his script sucks, end of the story....Though Jeunet did nt cover himself in glory either for that matter, and Juenet is an otherwise damn good director (city of lost children, Amelie, A very long engagement, all really good films). Dont know what the fuck happened, but neither Whedon or Jeunet gelled with the Alien universe.....

  • April 25, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST

    anyone else could give a flying fuck about AVATOO?

    by CARTMANEZ

    i couldnt care less...<p> id be much more excited about Cameron returning to Terminator or even Alien 6...<p> Avatar is been and done - sure a sequel would probably make about 2b but really - who cares...is still The Adventures of Bland Action Man and the Thundersmurfs<p> no thanks

  • April 25, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Cartmanez...well then if you care so little how

    by southafricanguy

    about you just ignore my, and anyone else that discusses it, posts? I do love how you completely contradict yourself by saying Avatar is done, but then you want Cameron to go back and do two done to death, and into the ground series though. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, only on the internet....

  • April 25, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    And dont worry, theres this new beautiful thing

    by southafricanguy

    called free will, whereby you can just choose to ignore things you dont like, and even ignore those talking about something you dont like. And get this, this is really going to blow your mind, no-one is going to hold a gun to your head and force you to watch any movie you dont like. Truly a brave new world is nt it?

  • April 25, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy thanks for the advice

    by CARTMANEZ

    *blows hole in southafricanguys head with a 9mm*

  • April 25, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Weaver sez Cameron lost Oscar due to sexism.

    by Royston Lodge

    http://tinyurl.com/25248xb

  • April 25, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The problem with Ridley Scott's recent films...

    by rbatty024

    is that he has lost a distinct artistic vision. At one point he was clearly an auteur who had something unique to say, but these days he's pumping out, at best, okay action films. Even Gladiator, which is an all right film, is basically a well done action film with little reason to exist than to see some well placed decapitations (a good enough reason to see the film once, but not nearly interesting enough to study every frame, like Blade Runner and Alien). <p> I remember reading a recent interview with Scott where he said he would never make Alien today the way he originally made the film. He said the movie was too slow and that the audience wouldn't sit still for it. The problem was, it seemed like he was critiquing the film rather than the audience. Instead of worrying about what is going to please the most amount of people most of the time, he should be thinking about what choices will make the best film.

  • April 25, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    *Shudder* wow cartman, you are one seriously

    by southafricanguy

    creepy dude. Nothing more sad and pathetic than someone that threatens violence against someone on an internet talkback. Guess thats what you have to do as you came to a battle of wits completely unarmed.......Now kindly go fingerbang your Mom and sister you inbred hillbilly. Cheerio!

  • April 25, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy - What?..I ...YOURE DEAD?!...I KILLED YOU!!

    by CARTMANEZ

    HOW CAN YOU BE TALKING!!

  • April 25, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott said Alien is too slow!?!?!

    by Royston Lodge

    He might as well have said, "the only way to make a movie is to assume your audience is a group of 13-year-old boys with ADHD who have just shotgunned cans of high-fructose corn syrup."

  • April 25, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    That's it, Ridley Scott is out of my will.

    by Royston Lodge

    My collection of Star Wars Micro Machines will just have to go to someone else...

  • April 25, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I wish I could find the interview, but it was a year or two ago.

    by rbatty024

    It could have been interpreted to say that audiences today could not handle the same pace, but at the time it also seemed as if he was critiquing his earlier methods of film making.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy - just kidding man.

    by CARTMANEZ

  • April 25, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    remember when Scott was gonna do TERMINATOR 3?

    by CARTMANEZ

    it was in an interview in a doc about Alien (maybe around 2001 or 2002 - for the DC)...anyway the interviwer asks him what hes gonna do next and Scotts goes 'Terminator 3...'<p>

  • April 25, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I'd rather watch Resurrection than Alien 3

    by Kaitain

    Alien 3 is just so unbearably miserable, and starts with a pathetic retcon (egg on the Sulaco? HOW?) and is entirely disrespectful to the characters of Newt and Hicks. I just despise it as a movie. <p> HOWEVER, I agree with Cobra-Kai about the change of aesthetic in Resurrection. Resurrection is the only movie in the "quadrilogy" to feel like it's simply a money-making popcorn movie. It's just out to (try to) entertain you for two throwaway hours. <p> With the other three films, even the horrible A3, you did get the impression that the makers were striving for a movie that could have been shown without embarrassment at your local arthouse cinema for some random one-off Wednesday night show. Resurrection is the point where they junk that ambition and say, "Fuck it, let's just put asses on seats and rack up the dollars". <p> However, one can argue that it was really A3 that "broke the series". And after that it's like having one broken window in your neighborhood: people care less about the place from that point onwards, and casual vandalism becomes more acceptable. After A3, the Alien franchise became a trashy, lowbrow money-spinning popcorn franchise.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    As much as i love the fact that Sir Ridley is making this film

    by ominus

    i can not say that i have much faith in him.anyway time will tell.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    I too have always thought of Alien 3 and 4 as...

    by rbatty024

    equally as bad. It bothers me to no end that Alien 3 throws away all of the great character development that Cameron provided in Aliens. Ripley as a member of a family offers any number of narrative possibilities, and at the very least they could have killed off Hicks and Newt in a manner that would have provided emotional weight. <p> Alien 4 was a complete missed opportunity, but because of its mediocrity it never stepped on the toes of the other films. It almost gets a pass because it was completely forgettable. Also, I'm a Whedon fan, but he definitely deserves some blame for how awful that film is. Even a good writer makes mistakes, and Alien 4 was most definitely a mistake.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 at least had the feel of an Alien movie

    by _Venkman

    Resurrection was just a cheesy crap fest.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Kaitain-somewhat agree with you but...

    by cgih8r

    I don't think A2 belongs in an "arthouse" cinema. It's just as much of a popcorn flick as A4 was. I don't see anything wrong with that either because we're talking about alien monsters in outerspace here, how much substance do fans expect from this franchise beyond the original? Be happy with the first movie.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 shouldve been set on on a Blade Runner-esque earth

    by CARTMANEZ

    with Hicks and Newt and a new bishop (maybe an evil bishop this time)<p> wouldve have sorta even made sense what with Scott having done Blade Runner as well..<p> basically what Ripley feared would happen in A1 and A2 - the Company bringing aliens on earth...

  • April 25, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    funny how the Alien and Terminator films mirror each other

    by CARTMANEZ

    in a similar way to the Reeve Superman films and Batman 1-4<p> first 2 = classics 3rd = major disappointment 4th = a godamn joke<p> even the time between films is similar<p> if R Scotts really is directing A5 i have high hopes for T5

  • April 25, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Alien3 delivered one of the series most iconic single shots

    by Tall_Boy66

    No, really. Whenever you see the Alien series referenced nowadays in some little quick clip on the news or some entertainment show or whatever - even the Simpsons referenced this shot recently - what is the main clip that you see? The Alien opening it's mouth reaching out it's tounge about an inch away from bald Ripley. That's a great shot and it's been used over and over as a touchstone for the series. The closest you can get for a single shot in the series is the closeup of Ripley in the loader from Aliens, or maybe the chestburster shot from Alien. But even those (violence, profanity, etc.) aren't referenced as much as that Alien/Ripley moment in Alien 3. There is a lot of good stuff in that movie from just a pure filmmaking standpoint, mainly because Fincher's frame arrangements are just so damn pretty to look at. I actually like how bleak it is. Yes, Hicks and Newt are dead and it sucks. And Ripley dies in the end too. It's a dark, sad movie that is vaugely hopeful at the end as Ripley (seemingly) destroys the Alien forever. Which makes Alien Resurrection more of a side story than anything with Ripley's clones and so forth. But the series ends kinda dark, but I'm cool with that. Ripley DID win in the end, the Alien just killed... well, everything.

  • April 25, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    And Ripley does screw the company in the end, too

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Think of all that we can learn from it! It's the chance of a lifetime!" I honestly don't get how any Alien fan worth their spit does not at least get a kick out of the showdown between Ripley and the Bishop-droid-pretending-to-be-human showdown at the end. Seriously, I think one of the reasons it works so well is BECAUSE Alien 3 is so damn far away from Aliens that by that point you've practically forgotten about Aliens altogether and then... BOOM! Bishop! Again! But he's fine now? Ahhh!! What the hell is going on?!

  • April 25, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I would love to see this with NO humans

    by jimmy_009

    Can you imagine a big budget sci-fi movie by Ridley Scott featuring a cast of giant aliens and no annoying humans? Shit, add no dialogue or subtitles and I'm guaranteed to be in attendance opening night. Too bad no one has the balls to do something like that.

  • April 25, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66 - yeah the end of A3 is undeniably awesome

    by CARTMANEZ

    shame what is before

  • April 25, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    A3 is not a bad movie...

    by _Venkman

    If you can get past the death of Hicks and Newt and take it for what it is, it's enjoyable sci-fi. It's bleak, depressing and destroyed everything Cameron set up for us in A2 but sometimes life doesn't work out the way we'd expect.

  • April 25, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED IF GEIGER IS JOINING??!!

    by JonChambers

    FUCK ALL THIS SHIT - WHY HASN'T SCOTT BEEN ASKED IF H.R. GEIGER IS BEING BROUGHT BACK?! NOW T-H-A-T's WHAT'S IMPORTANT! Forget all these other crappy no-big-deal details!!

  • April 25, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    rbatty024 - RE: ALIEN too slow

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Have you seen Moriarty's piece on Sir Ridley Scott over on HitFix? Scott seems to suggest that the pacing of ALIEN is something that would work well for what they're developing for this prequel(s). it's an interesting little read.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    To call Scott's latest movies bad or weak is a testement to what great movies ha has made in the past that we can be so blasé about his recent movies. Movies which would look good and even count as the best jobs of many other filmmaker's career. No, Ridley Scott can't make masterpieces one after the other. But he can make them good, and so far he has only made 2 bad movie,s and those were WHITE SQUALL and G.I. JANE. Those and those only.<br><br>And where have you been? your presence here lately is sporadic at best. Korea has kept you busy? Any new cool korean movie i should be aware of?

  • April 25, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Thank goodness i don't dislike ALIEN 3

    by AsimovLives

    I would be missing out on a good movie. When people were suprised that David Fincher was a good director because of SEVEN, all i wanted to say was "D'uuuhhhh!!! Really, you didn't figured that out when you watched ALIEN 3?"

  • April 25, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    For the people who don't like ALIEN 3...

    by AsimovLives

    ... what don't you fucking understand?

  • April 25, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    CGIh8r, No....

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Aliens is simply not comparable to Alien Resurrection, and both films being the most action-oriented films in the series has nothing to do with it. Alien Resurrection was a ridiculous romp, more akin to Evil Dead 2 in space than anything in the prior series. Aliens was a blockbuster action film but it had considerable thematic resonance and was a strongly character based story. Like the original, which used the framework of a haunted house/ slasher movie in space as a springboard for psycho-sexual discomfort and an examination of capitalism and class politics, Aliens used the framework of westerns and war movies as a basis for a feminist tract about motherhood, as well as vietnam allegories. It's also the most character based narrative of the series, with a lone survivor coming to peace with her ordeal and forming a strange kind of family dynamic at movie's end, which has serious emotional resonance. And as much as Alien 3 was an ungodly mess it, too, followed this trend, with its aids metaphors, and religious subtext. Alien Res has none of that. It was a cartoon gore movie, just like the AvP films.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    ALIEN RESSURECTION's problem

    by AsimovLives

    ALIEN RESSURECTION is a movie that works when it is it's own movie, which means, the hwhole first half. But when the movie tries to be ALIENS, which is the second half, that's when it fails. So far, all of the AELIN SAGA movies had their own identity. ALIEN RESSURECTION was the first ALIEN movie which totally harked back to another previous ALIEN movie, it wanted to be ALIENS. That's what fails it. Also the fact they couldn't pulloff the Alien/human hybrid. I like the idea of the creature, and that it was supposed to be both dangerous and pathetic, but while the idea was great, the execution left much to be desired... to say the least.<br><br>Say what you will about ALIEN 3, but that movie is it's own movie from begining to end. And that counts for a hell of a lot.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Scott HAS fallen off

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    No one is comparing him to Michael Bay; that's just AsimovLives' usual histrionics. But for a filmmaker of his calibre, his recent output has been quite mediocre. Thrillers like American Gangster and Body of Lies are wasted on Scott; anyone could have directed them. He works best when creating grand visions of the past or future; films set in the contemporary world don't seem to motivate him very much. The same could be said of his conversion to his brother's style of herky, jerky fast edits and incomprehensible action. His films work best when they are unhurried and have a kind of magisterial feel to them, with no recourse to ADD trends or stylistic fads. His best movie of the decade was KoH director's cut, which really hearkened back to his 70's/80's form, with its slow pacing and opulent grandeur. And he has made more than 2 outright duds - the awful Hannibal for a start. It's hardly sacrilege to criticize good directors like Scott (or Spielberg) who have fallen off. It's a sign of respect, because they are capable of far, far better.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    JonChambers

    by _Venkman

    The article talks about Giger being brought in the redesign the Alien.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the heads up Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by rbatty024

    Although Scott appeared awfully flippant in that interview, which suggests to me he might have been throwing out answers without really thinking about them. <p> One good thing about the 3D trend is that it might allow directors to slow down their films. Now that audiences are drawn to different parts of the screen, directors might not feel the need to try and keep our attention with nonsensically fast cutting.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Whedon's original script was quite good...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Read it in '96 long before the movie came out, and thought that Resurrection was going to be a good movie, or at least a supremely fun one. Granted, it didn't have the depth of the initial trilogy but it was a very cool action film, with some great set-pieces and characters that read well on the page. Alas, when the film was released, I was horrified. They really fucked up a competent script with the bizarre performances and casting (Dan Hedaya's comedy general, Ron Perlman's borderline Bluto from Popeye performance), the scaling down and elimination of some inventive action bits(like a chase through the ship's garden) and just many bizarre, eccentric choices made by Jeunet, who is a good director but ill-suited for the series. The white alien newborn, which in Whedon's original description is simply a large albino alien with head pincers and not some pumpkinhead reject, best exemplifies this, and particularly its pretentious and laughable bonding scenes with mama ripley. Maybe it was the Gallic influence; I thoroughly disliked the Fifth Element also, so French campery clearly doesn't gel with sci fi very well, although of course the existence of Moebius and Heavy Metal perhaps negates that. But something was definitely off about the whole enterprise.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I just think the Newborn is a dead end regardless of how it turn

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yeah, Whedon's original script had the albino alien but it was also a vampire(!) that sucked the blood out of the one guy then chased after Ripley. Oh, Whedon and those vampires. And I think the Newborn still kills the Queen in Whedon's original script too, which I totally hate because making a new bad guy kill the old bad guy is an easy way to say "Hey, look, our bad guy is wayyyy more badass than that old stinky one!" Personally, I think they should have ditched the Newborn and just had the Queen get lose on the ship. I'm sure they could have done things differently from how Cameron did it in Aliens. Hell, even Paul Fucking WS Anderson managed to present the Queen *slightly* different at the climax of Alien vs. Predator. Cause it had, like, something stuck on it's tail. Just do that.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    -ed out

    by Tall_Boy66

    I hate talkback headers, I really do.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    by AsimovLives

    Define hystronic, coldfish.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    ALIEN: RESURRECTION summarized...

    by BurnHollywood

    Lotta interesting ideas that went nowhere on screen, but led to some important action elsewhere. Whedon's quirky crew became the basis of the brilliant FIREFLY, Jeunet went on to his masterpiece AMELIE. The losers? ALIEN fans and 20th Century Fox.<p> Hopefully, Scott will fix that. Poor James Cameron's busy with some business related to some "Na'vi" stuff or other. Shit happens. I'll give him a hug the next time I see him.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by cgih8r

    my point was they are both blockbuster action films. Yes Aliens was the better movie by far and on a different level (budget?), but they are in the same popcorn movie genre. Res is entertaining and very well shot. Saying Resurrection was on the level of the AVP movies is giving those turds a huge compliment.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    ALIEN is a simply a great movie

    by bobjustbob

    ALIENS was a fun roller-coaster ride that hasn't aged well at all. IMHO YMMV.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    this is fucking hilarious

    by Bouncy X

    i come to this site often enough and when it comes to this franchise, its always been people saying how awesome Aliens is and its the best and everything. now there's news of a prequel by the first movie's director and its all "oh aliens was ok but it was no alien". reminds me of when Indy 4 came out and suddenly it wasnt such a holy trilogy anymore and only the 1st was really good and worth it. or going further, when star wars was considered an awesome and perfect trilogy until the special editions came and its all "oh i always hated such and such". wow...talk about revisionistic opinions. :P

  • April 25, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I can't speak for others

    by bobjustbob

    But I've never said ALIENS was a great movie. I'll always said it was a good roller-coaster ride.<p> ALIEN has always been the Gold Standard for this franchise. IMHO YMMV.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The only thing I don't like about Alien3 is...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...the sex scene.<p> It seems SO out-of-character for Ripley.<p> Why does she jump into bed with THIS dirty, smelly, flea-infested guy, after she's been on ships with arguably hunkier guys like Tom Skerrit, Michael Biehn, etc?<p> It violates the internal logic of the Alien series.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    rbatty024

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You are welcome! As for Scott's statements, it's hard to really know for certain. However, I was a little surprised to see that he is apparently moving pretty quickly on this thing.<P>I like your idea about the use of 3-D. Maybe the immersive effect alone will be enough to keep folk's attention. I know I've certainly had enough of that whole rapid-fire editing style.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Ripley sex

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    There was a scene in Alien that was never filmed that involved Ripley propositioning Dallas for some "relief," or vice versa.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, come on! You would have blown that guy too, if you had the chance.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I also read the Josh Whedon's script...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and it was not praticulary memorable. It had the good stuff that's in the final movie, but the bad stuff was in it too. And the inicial climax wasn't good either.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Ripley's needs love too

    by _Venkman

    O)=====[)

  • April 25, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by kwisatzhaderach

    People that hate Alien 3 love JJ's Star Trekwars. They know nothing about quality filmmaking. There's more art in the title sequence of Alien 3 than in the whole of Abrams mall-dwelling shitfest.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by RPLocke

    Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh today.

  • April 25, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    I liked Alien 3 AND JJTrek

    by _Venkman

    *Deserves death?*

  • April 25, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    _Venkman

    by BurnHollywood

    *Fuck yeah!*

  • April 25, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Like much of Fincher's work...

    by rbatty024

    Alien 3 is well put together aesthetically. The man knows how to create a mood. However, also like much of Fincher's work, the narrative is a complete mess. For myself, and many others, the decision to kill off Hicks and Newt off screen ruined any chance the film could be a worthy addition to the series. I try to forget that Alien 3 and 4 were even made.

  • April 25, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Royston Ripley had an affair with Dallas in Alien1

    by ominus

    but i agree with you about the sex scene in Alien3.its one of the things that i dont like in that movie.

  • April 25, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Oh wow, he created a mood

    by RPLocke

    Great. Now work on a coherent story.

  • April 25, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    bouncyx

    by redkamel

    Aliens was the best. And yes, it doesn't really compare to Alien for a lot of reasons. Forgive the shitty parallel, but its like people who say Kobe is the best but still think Michael Jordan is better. Its not mean't literally. <p> All I can say about Alien 3 is that I saw it (in HS) after seeing Alien and Aliens. I remember I didn't like it and it didn't make sense to me. And I thought it was stupid that Ripley killed the Alien by committing suicide. But that was in high school. Never felt a need to rewatch it.

  • April 25, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 wasn't so bad.

    by MurderMostFowl

    When Alien 4 came out, a buddy of mine asked me how it was, and I said the only positive note it had was that it made Alien 3 look good. <BR><BR> In retrospect it isn't so bad ( 3 I mean ). I can see how they tried to go their own way. I really would have loved the original Monks at the Monastery script, I think. <BR> I read on IMDB that Fincher hates it because the studio fucked with it so much. Its IMDB trivia, so YMMV on whether thats all true or not.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Hey Asimov....I ve just been busy, and usea

    by southafricanguy

    lly have better things to do than engage with "fandom" anymore as I just dont feel much kinship with it anymore. Anyway....as for new Korean films, there are some new ones coming out at the moment, but I dont think you would have heard of them, or get them in your neck of the woods anytime soon. Look how late Thirst (Bat in Korean) took to get a release outside Korea.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Asimov....only two? I would love to hear you

    by southafricanguy

    defend Hannibal, someone to watch over me, and that horribly dated cheesefest Legend...

  • April 25, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Cartman.....its cool dude, no hard feelings.

    by southafricanguy

    Its all good...

  • April 25, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    And would people stop comparing Alien and

    by southafricanguy

    Aliens? They are both classic masterpieces. The one a great horror film, the other a great action film. The genius of what Cameron did was make a completely different genre of film not comparable to the first. If only most directors making sequals realized the value of this. And its in sulting to dismiss Aliens as just a fun roller coaster ride just becuase its an action film as opposed to a slow moving horror film. There is just as much depth and thematic content in Aliens as in Alien, and I would say there is more character development in Aliens than in Alien...

  • April 25, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Hey Turd....always good to see you around

    by southafricanguy

    here making a lot of sense as useal....

  • April 25, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    ALIEN3

    by frank cotton

    worked in a theater

  • April 25, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    On the other hand, he was punished for fucking her...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...since he was eaten by an alien immediately post-coitus.<p> Let that be a lesson to all the men out there!<p> Sex kills.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I have an image in my head now of...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...an alien working the popcorn machine in the theatre.

  • April 25, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Me too royston

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    That's a better movie than the real alien 3 right there.<p> When this series killed Newt they killed any affection I still had for it. Just too bleak, simple as that. It showed no respect by the creative team on that film for what had come before.<p> If Ridley directs a prequel I'll probably see it though, like everyone else here.

  • April 25, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Ripley was more in the mood to get laid in Alien 3

    by Tall_Boy66

    First movie she's kinda busy, second movie she's kinda traumatized, third movie when she doesn't know the Alien is there I guess she wants to put out because Hicks and Newt are dead and she just wants to take her mind off it. And THEN, after all that happens, the fucking Alien is still there. Poor gal. I'm sure she would have been three-waying with Hicks and Hudson in Aliens if she wasn't scared out of her wits the whole time.

  • April 25, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    One think I like about the aliens-evolved-from-ants idea

    by Tall_Boy66

    In the Alien Harvest script the aliens are basically super evolved space alien ants, and if that's true it adds a lot of irony to this exchange from with Hudson and Vasquez in Aliens: "Hey, maybe it's like an ant hive." "These things ain't ants." "I know that!" I just kinda dig that if it turns out that the aliens are super-evolved ants, HUDSON WAS RIGHT! That actually makes him even funnier in the grand context of the series

  • April 25, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Fa_Tass_DinoMolester: Nice try.

    by Playkins

    But LAME. With a capital "L".

  • April 25, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Tallboy.....more Hudson is what the Alien

    by southafricanguy

    series is missing, actually everything needs some more Bill Paxton....lol

  • April 26, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Ripley wanted sex in a big way

    by RPLocke

    She had been in cryo sleep for 76 years. I would fuck everyone if I had to sleep that long.

  • April 26, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    They need to get this out NOW

    by NippleEffect

    So they can get to work on this prequels prequel

  • April 26, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by kwisatzhaderach

    No, I laugh at you for knowing nothing about the art of filmmaking. It must be sad going through life with no taste.

  • April 26, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    according to ridley scott...

    by emeraldboy

    there will be not one but two alien prequels. part one will be about space jockey and part two will be about the planet. all depends on the first one does.

  • April 26, 2010, 4:54 a.m. CST

    what not to do

    by Moshi

    A new alien film needs to go somewhere different, - no chasing down corridors, no female lead, no queen alien, no muscles/beauty queens, maybe even no alien xenomorph, something that is from the same gene pool but different. The first alien film is by far the best, largely because it cast character actors. They looked like regular people, I could therefore identify with their situation. Veronica Cartright was particularly good at expressing fear. Creepy/eerie is the way to go, not the action shooting Cameron route.

  • April 26, 2010, 5:13 a.m. CST

    if this is earth V aliens....

    by CitizenKaned

    will the US troops be true to form and turm up in the last minute of the film and claim they won the war? (like all ww2 films) in all seriousness i would love to see this as long as its done PROPERLY. as many said he brought the look and feel of aliens to the screen but aliens was a much better film.

  • April 26, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    ALIENS was a fun roller-coaster ride.

    by bobjustbob

    Now it just feels old and out-dated. IMHO and YMMV. This is my opinion. OPINION. I'm not insulting anyone. Don't take it personally.

  • April 26, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Dont worry bobjustbob, no offence taken

    by southafricanguy

    whatsoever, and as you say you are mot welcome to your opinion. For me personally I find aspects of outdated now. Also, I guess I just prefer my sci-fi to be exciting, and ALIENS is certainly the closest any film has been to capturing an adrenaline rush imho. Still the most draining film I have ever seen....

  • April 26, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Oops, sorry, I meant to say that I find aspect

    by southafricanguy

    s of Alien outdated now...

  • April 26, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by NightArrows

    QUOTE: "He thinks of the original designs from artist H.R. Giger as "worn out." Really? Because the design is what makes those films. The creature's look and behavior, both terrifying and unique. Collaborating on a "new" design sounds like a fucking terrible idea. They came up with a "new" design for Resurrection and that glad-bag piece of shit was fucking laughable. Stick with what helped make the first two films great, Ridley, and keep the "redesign" ideas isolated to your house renos.

  • April 26, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Prequel is a 2 parter

    by bigdeebo

    Now they are saying the prequel will be in 2 parts http://tinyurl.com/2ac39ry

  • April 26, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    2 parter? oh geez

    by MurderMostFowl

    PLEASE don't do this. If there was a story to tell there, it would have been told.

  • April 26, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    by that I mean

    by MurderMostFowl

    I meant if there was a story to tell in part to ( the crashed ship, colonists etc... ) even Cameron cut that from his version. <BR><BR> Here's an idea, Scott... tell another story in that universe. Does it have to couple so tightly with 1 & 2? really?

  • April 26, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    I even need to defend HANNIBAL, SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME and LEGEND? In 2010? Was this 1990 and i could understand why people would still felel misguided hate for the two later. And hate for HANNIBAL? For real? I could defend at least LEGEND and HANNIBAL for hours and hours. But then i gues smost people know LEGEND form the dreadful americna domestic version, which is indeed shit. But the real version, which is the director's cut, whihc is basically a longer version of the international/european version of the movie, that's a good movie, a charming fantasy story which had no match in looks and mood in any other fantasy movie made. Not even LOTR.<br><br>Too many people compare HANNIBAL with SILENC EOF THE LAMBS. It's understandable. I do too. but not to bash HANNIBAL. People seem to not understand a basic thing about this two movies: SILENCE is a movie made fom the perspective of the straight-arrow protestant moral Clarice Stirling. HANNIBAL is a movie made from the point of view of the operatic aestete italian art loving Hannibal. Ridley Scott understood it and thus made a movie that reflects Hannibal's mind, Sinc ein HANNIBAL, he is the main character, and Clarice the suporting, a reversal from SILENCE. As such, HANNIBAL is operatic, bombastic, over-the-top, allucinogenic, and it pulls no punches. And not to mentoion, it revels in the wicked pitch black darkly humour that characterizes Hannibal Lecter himself. That movie is terribly underrated. What's most incompreensible, by movie geeks themselves, which is just weird.

  • April 26, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    The draining aspect of ALIENS is where the movie most approches ALIEN. ALIEN is as very moody movie. Cameron rataiend that element form it for his sequel and also played the mood and melanccoly aspect. Despiste it's fame as an action movie, ALIENS is a very melancolic movie, even funebre. Death is a constant motif in ALIENS, which then uses the love of Ripley for Newt as it maxim contrast.<br><br>One common misconception of ALIENS is that it's a non-stop action movie. And this is wrong. Of the whole running time, only about 40 minutes is about action, the remining screentime is dedicated to build tension and characterization. That means 95 minutes of that in the shorter version, and 115 in the longer. How aALIENS is seeing as this big non-stop action movie, when in fact the action is the minor element in it's running time is suprising. ALIENSis not so much an action Sf movie, as a SF/horror movie with has elements of the war and the action genre. They are just so well made, so good, that became memorable. Even too memorable, since it made many geeks watch it by merely watching the action scene sand fastfoward all the "boring" talky stuff or the stuff where "nothing happens", thus, making them have this misconception that ALIENS is an action movie. Action is one of it's elements, but it's not the movie.<br><br>Another amazing thing most people seem to constantly over-look is that the strcuture of the story in ALIENS follows step by step the structure of ALIEN. The diferences are in details, but the overall story structure is the same, beat by beat. Which is understandable, because Cameron is a big fan of ALIEN and he rewatched it time and again in preparation for his own movie.

  • April 26, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    That would be expected, wouldn't it? And people claiming they can love both ALIEN3 and JJ's latest, well, they either forgot how ALIEN3 looks like, or they are lying for effect. To stir shit up.

  • April 26, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    "Scott HAS fallen off"

    by Kaitain

    Sure, but then, surely this is history, not news? In my opinion - and I'm sure many will disagree with me - his last really good movie was Blade Runner, 28 years ago. <p> Thelma and Louise is a good but not great movie. Gladiator is sporadically entertaining but veers into pantomime, and its combat sequences are choppy at best (you can have that pun for free): many people laud them, but they're often incoherent and edited too rapidly. The Battle of Zama re-enactment sequence is the only one that I think works really well, because it has a clear narrative as well as energy; the others convey energy but lack a coherent narrative that one can follow with all the extreme close-ups and over-rapid cutting. <p> And what else has the guy done? <p> Both Alien and Blade Runner are great movies. INCREDIBLE movies, in fact; I would put both in the top ten movies of the last four decades. But that seemed to be pretty much it for Scott. Perhaps he was born to do science fiction, but chose to eschew the genre, even though it was his "first, best destiny".

  • April 26, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    ALIENS the non-stop action movie

    by Kaitain

    "One common misconception of ALIENS is that it's a non-stop action movie." <p> That is true. It's a rollercoaster movie, with the first hour building up tension as you travel up the lift hill, then ten minutes of mayhem, then lots more tension until the final 45 minutes. (The descent proper begins with Ripley waking up in medical with the facehuggers in the room and her gun missing.) You come out from the movie on a high from the rapid-fire punch combination of the medical rescue, the escape from operations, the air vents, Ripley's descent into biomechanical Hades and the power loader fight, and the recency effect makes you think that you've been hurtling down slopes and around corkscrews for two hours, but that isn't the case. <p> This isn't all that uncommon, though. Lots of people (including George Lucas, apparently) mistakenly think of Star Wars as one action sequence after the other, but aside from the bravura in media res opening, there is no serious action in that movie until you're well over an hour into the movie, when Han and Luke break Leia out from the cell block. Until that point it's mainly been talking, exposition, plot development and "sneaking around". But from that point onward, it's one action sequence after another, with a short breather break for the pointer scene on Yavin before the Death Star battle.

  • April 26, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Southafricanguy

    by Kaitain

    Which elements of Alien do you now find outdated? As I said above, the only clear example I can think of is the white-padded inner sanctum room where Dallas (and later Ripley) communicate directly with "Mother". But that's the only thing I can think of in the entire movie. The rest of it still looks and feels fucking amazing, suffused with quality and plausibility throughout, notwithstanding the standard realism trade-offs of the genre (gravity and sound in space).

  • April 26, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    One thing Orcus never understood about Legend.

    by orcus

    If it took place before there was such a thing call time, why was there a clock in Lili's home? And Since when do Orc's (or whatever), speak Spanish (adios Amigos)? Or was this in the crappy US cut?

  • April 26, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Nah, Aliens is not all about action.

    by Stalkeye

    In Aliens,we were introduced to a group of cocky Space Marines who had no clue of what the fuck they were getting into (what started off as some colonist rescue/recon procedure turned out to be one fucking meat grinder.)which was more than they expected.I found that the reoccuring theme of redemption,(from Hudson's cowardice to the inexperienced Gorman finally stepping up.) is what helped to make Aliens a success not to mention that every character within the ensemble cast stood apart from the other.(Can't say the same for Alien 3 with the noted exception of Charles Dutton.)<p>Besides the action scenes. I was equally impressed by the pacing,story,soundtrack and special effects. (courtesy of the late great Stan Winston)<p>all in all Aliens was Cameron's best IMO.After all, it unitentionally helped to inspire the popular FPS franchise that is HALO.<p>FOX, please release this on Blu-Ray now!!

  • April 26, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    One thing that should be noted about Aliens

    by Kaitain

    Although I consider Alien to be the superior movie, Aliens is the movie which created most of the notions of the expanded universe of that franchise. If you think of writing a spin-off novel, or fan fiction, or creating a comic book, a video game or an RPG, you will almost certainly want to reference Aliens heavily rather than Alien. The marines, the feeling of Earth being the centre of a network of colonies, the tech, the terraforming ideas, the shadow of Weyland-Yutani. Some of these are hinted at in "Alien", but it is "Aliens" we look to naturally if we want to use a springboard for further stories and products.

  • April 26, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I find ALIEN the less dated...

    by AsimovLives

    ... truth be told. Startign with the cinematography and with the production design, if that movie had been made today nobody would be much the wiser and would be fooled. Only the non-CGI special effects gives away when the movie was made.<br><br>ALIENS, however, despiste how good it looks, it is very much a movie of the 80s in design and cinematography. It's funny to say this given that there's a 7 years interval between the two, but it's ALIENS which feels the time capsule, while ALIEN still looks timely. Sorry for all you hardcore Cameron fans, but that's how i see it. Still, i must say this: ALIENS is still the movie i watched the most times in the theaters, five times. I never seen a movie in a theater that often before or since. And i would KILL to watch ALIEN on the big screen, oh yeah i would. Where's Michael Bay?

  • April 26, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Alien is the better film.

    by ZodNotGod

    Alien is the superior film. It reaches far deeper than Cam's film, which is fun in its own right, but would have worked better titled something else. Ridley really went deeper than the movie initially suggests and scares the piss out of newcomers with the rape suggestions and the JAWS-like tension of the alien hunting the crew. Every shot is a work of art and the performances great, dynamics interesting as they all pretty much hate each other. The Director's Cut of "Alien 3" is a vastly different film and needs the proper respect. Alien 4 is what it is, I like parts of it, most of it, but the newborn was a tad lame. Overall, not a bad set of flicks.

  • April 26, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    i wish he'd stuck with science fiction

    by frank cotton

    i expected decades of futuristic awesomeness, and got nothing. at all. never will understand why artists refuse to stick with what they do best

  • April 26, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Ridley rocks.

    by ZodNotGod

    Kingdom of Heaven was ass, but GLadiator has about another decades worth of good will left and Robin Hood looks damn sexy.

  • April 26, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Both Alien and Aliens are great films in their own right.

    by Stalkeye

    The first came practically out of nowhere (in terms of high concept sci fi franchise)as if offered suspense and a surprise or two ("I can't gaurantee your chnces of survival, however you have my sympathies..".A film that I cannot point out any flaws, however I never got to see the deleted scene in which Tom Skeritt's character Dallas is cocooned and begging for Ripley to kill him. (I don't recall watching the Special edition version, so I'm curious if anything was added in the more recent DVD release.)I highly recommend renting the Alien saga documentary DVD It's a great retrospective in regards to the franchise.(available via Netflix)<p>Yeah, Asi I missed out on seeing Alien on the big screen since I was considered too young to watch R-Rated films, yet the toy itself was marketed towards kids.Go fucking figure.

  • April 26, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    "it's ALIENS which feels the time capsule"

    by Kaitain

    Yes, I agree. <p> Alien just oozes quality and high production values throughout. Very few scenes have any kind of cheap look to them. (The alien knocking about on the harpoon line outside the Narcissus is the only effects shot I can think of which looks a bit sub-par...maybe the chest-burster legging it off the table, although it's so fast it doesn't matter very much.) <p> Aliens looks like a slightly lower-budget movie than Alien. Some of the bluescreen work is a bit iffy, the model work on Hadley's Hope is weak in the director's cut (although possibly it was never given a lick of polish?), the shots of the aliens being mowed down by the sentry canons feels like repurposed footage (ditto?), and the lighting and camerawork are never quite on the same level as in Alien. <p> As an aside, I would say the same thing about Empire vs Jedi in the OT: Jedi looks like it was done one the cheap in places, whereas Empire looks fantastic throughout. Empire has held up much better, and not just for its plot.

  • April 26, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    just don't make it 5 years before Alien!

    by Arch Nemesis

    Fuck's sake, this is what makes space-centered sci fi cool - something found in space, say, a fossilized space jockey (most everyone seems to be in agreement that it's fossilized) could have been around for thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of years, or more. The mystery of deep space is that it's VAST. Mysterious because it's totally different and disconected from us. It won't demystify the space jockey if we get its story if the story is still mysterious in its own setting, that is, it's disconnected from us by time frame. Make the origin story of the Alien itself originate from another time entirely from the human race. This will very effectively cement the mystery of the Alien. Why? Because we still don't know what's happened since that ship crashed, or what happened with the aliens before the space jockey came into the story. <p> And if the space jockey IS the origin of the aliens race then having that story occur thousands (at least) of years before Ripley strips the entirely too convenient scenario (and lazy writing honestly) of the prequel and Ripley stories just happening to accur back-to-back.<p> Btw, am I the only person out there who thought that the space jockey was supposed to be grown into the chair it was sitting in?

  • April 27, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Orcus never really thought about the yime capsule

    by orcus

    aspect of ALIENS. The Only thing Orcus could see that dates it is Paul Reisers (sp?) hair style and mode of dress. That was it really, what other visual cues were there?<p> <p>BTW, did anyone read the MTV comments? One assswipe said He loved ALIEN but nothing didn't like waiting an hour for something to happen. Fucking ADD riddled cockmunch. They should set him ablaze and roast marshmallows over his dying embers for such a statement.