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SOUTH PARK Creators:
Comedy Central Bleeped
Kyle’s 201 Speech, Not Us!!

Published at: April 23, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!! So much censorship attended this week’s episode of “South Park” (itself about censorship) it’s hard to tell where the gags end and the “real” deletions begin. While the Muslim prophet Muhammad’s name was invoked numerous times in last week’s “200” episode, the name was bleeped repeatedly in this week’s “201,” reportedly by Comedy Central. “South Park” creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone released a statement late Thursday indicating the bleeps obscuring Kyle’s long final speech (which apparently did not specifically reference Muhammad) were imposed by Comedy Central:
In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyle's customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didn't mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. We'll be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and we'll see what happens to it.
Prior to reading their statement, I had believed the opposite: that episode writer-director Parker had written in the long final bleeps to make a point about slippery slopes. Now it seems we reside farther down these slopes than previously suspected! In addition, Comedy Central apparently cancelled the same-night Wednesday repeat of “201” and is not yet making the episode available on the Web, as is its custom. (Perversely, Comedy Central did not censor a crude stick-figure drawing of Muhammad in “200.”) Next week’s episode, I believe, will be the last new one until October. Jon Stewart points out no one bothered to censor New York's Revolution Muslim website, which dickishly posted for the American terrorist community the address of the "South Park" production offices:
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  • April 23, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Censorship!

    by kevinwillis.net

    It's what's for dinner.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Some Guy Named JuanSanchez Something Can Go Fuck Himself

    by Crow3711

    For yelling at me in the first talkback for this episode, because I was clearly right about everything. Shithead. Anyway, this story is kinda sad.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Fuck. JoseJones

    by Crow3711

    I really thought it was more a more latino handle. I remembered wrong. I didn't mean to be racist at all. But still, fuck that guy.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    George Orwell

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Knew his shit. What a fucking joke this is

  • April 23, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Matt and Trey are in bed with Comedy Central

    by BumLove

    This isn't their first season...they've now worked together for 201 episodes. They know each other, they are businessmen who work together and make each other a lot of money. Do you think Matt and Trey had no idea what Comedy Central was going to do and are 100% honest with the fans? This way, Matt and Trey can seem like rebellious kids being punished by their overbearing parents, and can maintain their cred, without seeming like they pussed out of the show out of fear of being blown up...and at the same time, they milked all the publicity for huge ratings which both they and Comedy Central reap huge rewards from. Win-win. <p> But they want the fans to believe they are disappointed to maintain some sort of appearance of artistic integrity while they sleep on their huge piles of money. If the final speech was so artisticly sound, controversial and hilarious....they should just leak transcripts of it. It maintains a larger air of mystery if they don't, and the humor of it all remains intact. I guarantee it's funnier the way it originally aired than what may have been actually written...if anything was written....

  • April 23, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Religion of Peace

    by kevinwillis.net

    Does it not strike anybody as a little strange that they can depict everyone in the most horrible light possible, but they aren't allowed to mention Islam? Like, showing the Prophet Mohamed buying a snack at a convenience store? But it was all right to have Jesus Christ and President George W. Bush defecating on each other until the screen was full of poo?<br /><br />What it suggest to me is the people worried about the "angry, violent" Tea Party folks and "radical Christians" are really focused on the wrong thing. And probably will continue to be, until such time as an acolyte of the Religion of Peace detonates near them. <br /><br />Yay, Comedy Central. Way to remove your testicles.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    BumLove: I Applaud Your Cynicism

    by kevinwillis.net

    But I think you're wrong in this case. I'm pretty sure Comedy Central and Matt and Trey don't see eye to eye on this at all.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I hate all religions, but Islam is the king turd of them all.

    by Yamato

  • April 23, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    This fucking sucks. Will we EVER know what was really said?

    by D.Vader

    Fuck Comedy Central.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    This ep...

    by Judge Briggs

    Was money.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Matt, Trey, thank you for once again bringing this never ending

    by Undercover Fanboy

    You are modern day heroes, and you get to say fuck a lot.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Crow3711 - I yell at everyone. I can't be expected...

    by JuanSanchez

    to remember what I yelled at you about.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    ... never ending idiocy to light

    by Undercover Fanboy

    Fucking talk backs.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Bring it on!

    by shutupfanboy

    I am waiting for these Muslims to step out of line and get slapped around by the Feds.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    wtf is revolution Muslim?

    by torontoxic

    Oh wait nvrmind. I have google and wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Muslim <P> Um...you Americans can go right ahead and throw those nutfucks in gitmo. I'll assplunk Moohamed with a crucifix. <P> They never should have censored anything in the first place. The appropriate response is to tel the moose lim community to grow the fuck up.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    "Juan Sanchez"

    by PeanutButterSlut

    LOL

  • April 23, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    We may not know the script word for word...

    by Richard Cranium

    But I think we got the idea. The point had already been made, which is why I thought the bleep was a giant in-joke about slippery slopes. Even though I feel it's a travesty that they were bullied into silence by thuggery, I think the bleeping itself conveyed what needed to be said as well as any speech they could've had planned...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Yeah, this was BS.

    by Mooly

    The more Comedy Central tries to justify their censorship of South Park the more they look like clueless hypocritical a$$holes. They beep out a speech about not living in fear out of their own fears of attack? They censor the episode to not offend muslims but have no problem showing Buddha snorting coke? Why does comedy central hate buddhists so much? Slippery slope indeed and Comedy central is clearly too stupid to get the point.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    It Wasn't You JuanSanchez!

    by Crow3711

    I knew you're name was a real handle though. I just got you two mixed up I guess cause I've seen you before and this guy was wishing for my death the first time I ever talked to him. This was a few days ago. I'm sorry I brought you into it. I'm just saying, JoseJones, go fuck yourself.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    supermarch

    by Philly_Phil_in_VA

    orly? i wit chew on tht asuption! tel thm moose lim peoplez to chll!

  • April 23, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    and seriously...

    by Philly_Phil_in_VA

    it worked to get some mor ratings :) good job matt and trey!!! :)

  • April 23, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    1. Funnier with the bleeps and made a stronger statement.

    by jimbojones123

  • April 23, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    it'll probably be uncensored on the dvd

    by Bouncy X

    they can even make a big deal about and advertise. "THE EPISODE THEY WOULDNT AIR PROPERLY ON TV NOW YOURS!!" or something like that. but let me get this straight, these people worship a deity nobody has ever seen? i mean fake or not, least all the other religions have descriptions, pictures and drawings of their deities. but the funniest thing is that lets pretend mohammed was real, well i'm sure he looks like just every other middle eatern islamic person..but maybe he glows or something. if simply saying his name is bad, must suck to be the 99% of men in their religion named mohammed.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    John Stewart is fucking GOD.

    by HoboCode

    All others are false prophets.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Based on Matt & Trey's press release..

    by FracturedLojak

    It seems that only Kyle's speech was meant to be heard. The speeches by Jesus and Santa could very well have been intended to be bleeped.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    2. Actually sounds like a perfect under the table

    by jimbojones123

    Agreement between both parties.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    God Bless Jon Stewart.

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I think Jon Stewart said it best.

    by Mike_D

    yep.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    No problemo, Crow3711. I am generally a bastard.

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    You can't really blame Comedy Central ...

    by Toe Jam

    It is, after all, a for-profit entity fully owned by an even bigger for-profit conglomerate (Viacom). Now, most of you might say that's exactly why those execs are such pussies, but Comedy Central was doing what Comedy Central had to. It'd be rather reckless of Comedy Central to allow a cartoon depiction of Mohammed, knowing full well that it could potentially cost not only a lot of advertising revenue, but also people's lives. As a company that extends far beyond the "South Park" family, it owed it to its employees and stockholders NOT to broadcast Mohammed's likeness merely in the name of "comedy." That said, I would have loved to see this episode uncensored, because no stupid religion -- Islam included -- is above reproach and lampooning.

  • April 23, 2010, noon CST

    RE: TOE JAM

    by J-Dizzle

    "It'd be rather reckless of Comedy Central to allow a cartoon depiction of Mohammed"<p> The problem is, Comedy Central HAVE allowed a cartoon depiction of Mohammed, way back in the Super Bestfriends Episode in Season 5. They didn't give a shit then, no reason for them to give a shit now.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    (:-P)--)----( = My Muhammed

    by Tapioca

    Come and get me Muslim extremists!!!

  • April 23, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Good thing...

    by ChocolateJeebus

    ...Mat and Trey didn't pots the episode on Ain't it Cool's talkbacks or the whole thing would have been banned. Go Free Speech!

  • April 23, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    did anyone see seth mcfarlanes reponse

    by ORIONgods

  • April 23, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Orion - how about a link?

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 23, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Comedy Central capitulated to terrorists and it means they have

    by Smashing

    If artists/people are too scared to make fun of certain sections of society because they fear being killed then terrorism is working and Comedy Central just gave them a victory.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    This = Plausible Deniability...

    by Somerichs

    Comedy Central offered to be the "bad guy" and censor part of the episode, so Matt & Trey could point the finger at them and say "it was them not us," but behind closed doors they're probably on their hands and knees thanking CC profusely... :)

  • April 23, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    EXACTLY SMASHING

    by J-Dizzle

    I wonder what would happen if a bunch of angry geeks threatened to bomb CC's corporate HQ, unless they aired the uncensored version of the episode?<p> I'd doubt they'd give in to that, therefore there's no reason for them to give to any other threats.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Just saw BumLove made the same point I did...

    by Somerichs

    and more eloquently...

  • April 23, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Everyone make love

    by Super Rabbi

    Listen to the Rabbi.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    RE: SOMERICHS, PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY

    by J-Dizzle

    "Comedy Central offered to be the "bad guy" and censor part of the episode, so Matt & Trey could point the finger at them and say "it was them not us," but behind closed doors they're probably on their hands and knees thanking CC profusely... :)" Interesting point, however if that were true, they could have just merely not made episode 201 at all, and then claim that the episode does exist but CC refused to air it. No reason for them to go through the trouble of making an entire episode if they know it will be censored beyond belief.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    here is strict things are becoming in the emerald isle...

    by emeraldboy

    Last year, somebody broke into an august irish cultural instution. this person put up a framed and unflattering painting of the current leader of the country, Brian Cowen. Rte carried the news story. 24hrs later. rte were forced by the govt press office to apologise to mr cowen and his family. rte should not have done this. the police were dragged into this nonsense. and the producer of the hugely popular radio darcy show on today said that plain clothes gardai said that they had warrant to enter the premises and that all the emails that the painter in question who had emailed the show be handed over. the name of the artist was connor gageby. will hannafin the producer said no. Conor Gageby had his paintings confiscated but were eventually returning. on the subject of Islam. we are getting islamic centers and more mosques are being built. Gadaffi's son declared gijad on switerzerland. after the swiss blocked the building of Minarettes.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    a message to revolution muslim

    by deSambor

    x-tra normal heresy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYLTYjhhl4

  • April 23, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I have a friend on Facebook who made his pic Muhammed

    by D.Vader

    His profile pic I mean. He's a hero.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Watch V every Tuesday night on ABC

    by Sithdan

    9 p.m. central time; 10 p.m. eastern. We are at peace...aways.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The president should hold a press conference about free shpeech

    by George Newman

    The President should hold a press conference about free speech, standing up to terrorism, and South Park

  • April 23, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    You know, ironically it's going to get...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...to the point where sane people will have to adopt some of the insanity of the nutjobs and wipe out all religion. Seriously, thousands of years of this murderous crap? Enough! The commies had the right idea as far as religions go, IMO.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Check this out:

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Maome.jpg It's a painting of "Prophet X", painted by... Muslims hundreds of years ago. Guess Revolution Muslim and all the other terrorist savages will have to somehow invent a time machine to go back and murder the artist.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Everyone draw a picture of Muhammed and publish on the internet

    by ricarleite2

    They can't kill us all, can they? We must end this bullshit.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Something about this doesn't make sense...

    by DarthCorleone

    If the episode was submitted as is without the censorship jokes, that Tom Cruise bit in which he becomes censored after ingesting the goo and then loses the censor bar when he's mocked again does not make any sense. I thought that was very clever and tipped us off that it was all in jest. Maybe the censor bar was part of the joke but censoring the words wasn't?

  • April 23, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    This will eventually require a mass reaction

    by gotilk

    everyone joining together and putting an end to this goofy shit once and for all by wearing t-shirts everywhere with Mo's face on them. On websites, wherever we can on TV, anywhere in public, worldwide. In solidarity. Because it must stop. Pipe dreams are fun.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    This reall brought out the best in people

    by A for Aristocrat

    Not only did this elevate Matt and Trey even higher up the cool ladder, I haven't had this much respect for Jon Stewart since his 911 speech. At least the people that work at Comedy Central have some integrity.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    DarthCorleone

    by gotilk

    That's exactly right. The black censor bars were put in by South Park, the bleeps that were not "swear words" were Comedy Central.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    http://images.google.hu/images?q=prophet%20muhammad&oe=utf-8&rls

    by David Cloverfield

  • April 23, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry, damn enter button

    by David Cloverfield

    Although the link is pretty self explanitory. Just google prophet muhhamad for pictures.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Also: AICN

    by David Cloverfield

    Should really post some seet Muhammad pictures. Or hold a drawing contest. Something to take a fucking stand. I'm changing my Facebook pic right now (and I'm a Hungarian atheist, so I have no horse in this one)

  • April 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I shouldn't have drank watching the episode...

    by The Dum Guy

    I've never actually gotten angry while watching South Park... I'll stick to only weed for SP.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Of course the hysterical thing is

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Although the other religious icons were treated irreverently they did come across as cool and likable.<br /><br />So bully boy tactics by a few nut-jobs doesn't do them or their chosen prophet any good at all.<br /><br />jees chrise !!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Did anyone watch Larry King last nite?

    by The Dum Guy

    Penn Jillette actually thought it would be morally wrong to depict Mohammed, since the Koran says it is wrong.<br><br>I didn't really understand his reasoning.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I hope somebody posts the REAL ep online

    by FeralAngel

    We need a major leak. Come on, Washington does it all the time. Don't tell me there are no subversives at Comedy Central who couldn't post a bootleg copy on the net and make it go all viral in those fascist Muslim's faces. That'd be sweeeeeeeeeet.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Was Comedy Central trying to be funny?

    by Bass Ackwards

    Otherwise their bleeping really seems like overkill. I don't think I get it.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Who controls South Park internationally?

    by Royston Lodge

    Does The Comedy Network in Canada get the show from Comedy Central, or directly from Trey and Matt?<p> Of course, given the power of Canada's "Human Rights Commissions", I have zero faith that The Comedy Network will run the episode unmolested.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Dear Penn Jillette: Should gentiles stay kosher as well?

    by Royston Lodge

    Should non-Hindus stop killing cows?<p> Should non-Jehovahs Witnesses refrain from blood transfusions?<p> Should non-Snake Handlers all buy pet snakes?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    That was VERY surprising, coming from Penn Jillette.

    by ricarleite2

    Hipocritical fucker. And his mute friend.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Where do they go from here?

    by alan_poon

    How can they go back to making fun of Jesus and Buddha after this?

  • April 23, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Watch V guys!

    by Sithdan

    Every Tuesday night on ABC. Check your local listings!

  • April 23, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    SouthParkSudios.com

    by master_of_realty

    is fucked. Every episode. The forums. This is bad.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    UK

    by FreeMonk

    It aires tonight in the UK, so I'm wondering if Comedy Central will censor it over here, or maybe not even show it. It's happened before with the Tom Cruise in the Closet episode. It got pulled hours before it was supposed to air in the UK.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    gotilk...

    by DarthCorleone

    That still doesn't make complete sense to me. It's the image that was controversial - not the utterance of Mohammed's name. And if Trey and Matt are to be believed, Mohammed's name didn't even appear in that final speech.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Here you go

    by Darth Busey

  • April 23, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    IT WASN'T EVEN MOHAMMED IN THE BEAR SUIT!!!!

    by Royston Lodge

    'nuff said.

  • April 23, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Canada airs the show without bleeping..

    by Bouncy X

    while america can only see them that way once on dvd. so maybe they'll be willing to leave this one be as well. of course considering that white people are becoming a minority here due to those people...maybe not. lol

  • April 23, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    SouthParkStudios.com has been hacked.

    by Royston Lodge

    Proof that cyber-warfare is real.

  • April 23, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    RevolutionMuslim.com was also hacked.

    by Royston Lodge

    They better leave icanhascheezburger.com alone, dagnabbit.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    IT GOT FUCKING PULLED IN THE UK!!!

    by FreeMonk

    Comedy Central pulled the fucking episode and replaced it by the Sexual Healing episode. FOR FUCK SAKE!! Thank god for the internet!

  • April 23, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Apple TV Cowards

    by Roc Ingersoll

    The spineless, slack-jawed cowards at Apple have not only refused to upload ep 201, they have also retroactively taken down ep 200. Sorry to all you suckers who bought the "season pass" for an uncensored Season 14. You get every episode, minus 2! I'm *sure* Apple will refund everyone for the two eps they no longer offer. Mewling poltroons. The terrorists win again.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    If they get the video from Comedy Central, how would they...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...post the new episode?<p> If Comedy Central, as the copyright owner, ordered them to remove ep200, would Apple really have a choice in the matter?

  • April 23, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    ((()):-0)--)----( Tapioca forgot the turban!

    by br1947

  • April 23, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Wake me up in 1000 years.

    by DarthCorleone

    Maybe then all this ignorant, bigoted idiocy will be over, true free speech will reign, and the human race will have gotten over itself on the way to true advancement as a species.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I like this game!

    by Royston Lodge

    & O |-+-| | | | | |-+-| | | " " Muhommed!

  • April 23, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Who cares

    by Series7

    This show isn't funny anymore. This whole thing seems just like a ploy. COME ON LIKE US!!! WE ARE STILL SOO EDGY AND CRAZY!!!

  • April 23, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Oops, I forgot about line breaks.

    by Royston Lodge

    Gosh, I am one stupid mofo. &nbsp&nbsp&<br> &nbsp&nbspO<br> |-+-|<br> |&nbsp|&nbsp|<br> &nbsp&nbsp|<br> |-+-|<br> |&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp|<br> "&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp"<br>

  • April 23, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Fuck it, I give up.

    by Royston Lodge

  • April 23, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    ROYSTON LODGE

    by J-Dizzle

    Pretty sure it depends on what their licensing agreement says. If the contract states that CC reserves the right to order Apple to remove any episodes, then so be it. The problem with that is, it could be argued that such an agreement is illusory; if Comedy Central can tell Apple to remove any episodes at will, then does Apple truly have a license to distribute South Park episodes?<p> I'm guessing Apple did this of their own accord, and not under the command of CC.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I bought a season pass.

    by Royston Lodge

    If ep201 doesn't download for me, you better believe I'll be demanding a refund.<p> The only reason I got the season pass was because I heard ep200 was going to be so good.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    all islamic extremist deserves to be tea bagged to death

    by alienindisguise

    they're the most ignorant group of dumbfucks in the world and AMERICA is scared of upsetting them? Grow some nuts 'Merica. That's one group where the more of them get killed, the better. They are a culture of morons and don't deserve to reproduce or crowd this planet with their worthless presences.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    all islamic extremist deserves to be tea bagged to death

    by alienindisguise

    they're the most ignorant group of dumbfucks in the world and AMERICA is scared of upsetting them? Grow some nuts 'Merica. That's one group where the more of them get killed, the better. They are a culture of morons and don't deserve to reproduce or crowd this planet with their worthless presences.

  • April 23, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Royston and J-Dizzle

    by Roc Ingersoll

    I'm sure it's *possible* that CC asked Apple to pull down ep 200, and then didn't deliver ep 201. But it seems unlikely, when they aired both themselves. It could be CC just limiting their own exposure, but more realistically this smacks of CYA management by Apple. Plus, never miss an opportunity to refer to someone as a poltroon.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I have always been of the opinion that the "war on terror" was a

    by emeraldboy

    con job. wars were created overseas so that govts could privately shred bits of their democracies. In ireland we didnt partake in the war on terror but we knew that our alliances to america were very important financially. but as the celtic bubble grew larger, ireland was booming, cranes peppered the skies of Dublin, Cork and Galway and Belfast. However fianna fail had been in power since 1997. they took credit for the boom. charlie mcCreevey was the minister for finance and personally saw to it that FOI was pulled back to the point where today journalists find it very hard to get information on govt policy. Our current justice minister has announced a revamp of the privacy laws and has planned to bring in a blasphemy law. without explaining why. this is the same govt who forced the state broadcaster into an apology over a non story about an unflattering painting. the irish economy has been devastated by the actions of Seanie who cant or wont say sorry. richie boucher waived his 1.5 million pound pension top up. Ireland know has the highest govt debt in the EU. 94 billion. and the govt say that any suggestion of a link between them and anglo irish is liabellous. and Maire Gheogan Quinn was asked about her pension and she refused to answer the question.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Umm who cares?

    by m_prevette

    South Park isn't funny. Has never been funny. The two dipshits , what are their names, Stone/Parker...are morons stuck at 18 yrs old who are too busy amusing themselves to actually see if their...comedy...is actually intelligent or insightful, or, yes, even funny. Screw 'em.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by torontoxic

    Canada is more white than almost any other country. <P> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada <P> Don't worry I'm from Toronto too. It only seems like things have changed.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Will ti be bleeped out on Hulu?

    by RPLocke

    Will it be on the front page of Hulu starred with a big ad?

  • April 23, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I think it just sucks that Matt & Trey don't own the copyright.

    by Royston Lodge

    Apparently...

  • April 23, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    i saw this episode...

    by emeraldboy

    on comedy central here in Ireland. the stuff about tom cruise being a fudge packer was hilarious.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    royston...

    by emeraldboy

    hang on. thats odd. trey and matt, created south park , so how come they dont own the copyright? weird.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    201 has not aired since.

    by fiester

    Additionally, the original Super Best Friends episode has been pulled from the Comedy Central website.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    what the fuck is this bullshit?

    by mrschips

    Seriously, it's 20fucking10. And just watching the episode on its own-- it's not offensive in one tiny way to Mohammed or Muslims, so I don't get why it's being pulled and all this shit is going down. CC should have just showed Mohammed and not bleeped anything-- had they done that, what would have happened? NOTHING. Some whiny bitches would cry on the internet for less than a week, and we all could have moved on. Comedy Central is just throwing whiskey in the fire by allowing dumbasses who never would have done anything anyway to control their programming. Pure fucking bullshit-- and if I didn't love a lot of their shows, you best believe I'd fucking boycott Comedy Central (not that does anything anyway). Goddammit fucking Christ.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    It wouldn't be hard to boycott CC . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    considering other than South Park, Colbert and Stewart, there's nothing of worth on their schedule.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The statement by CAIR was kinda amusing.

    by Royston Lodge

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations said that they were aware about the episode but had no intention of complaining about it because that would just give the show free publicity. Plus, they're just tired of the whole "make fun of mohammed thing".<p> Ah, the sweet sound of common sense. How I missed it.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    EMERALDBOY AND ROYSTON

    by J-Dizzle

    Under US Copyright laws if the employee prepared the work within scope of his employment (ie. he was basically hired to make a TV show) then the employer is considered the author of the work and holds all of the copyrights to the work, UNLESS the employer and employee expressly agree otherwise in a signed contract.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    MRSCHIPS

    by J-Dizzle

    Regardless of whether its offensive isn't really an issue. Really, all this is is a bunch extremist Muslims used South Park as an excuse to raise hell and get publicity. And Comedy Central, being the fucking naive idiotic schoolgirls that they are, bought into it and overreacted.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Im pissed that they pulled it from Re Airing that same night at

    by mattforce7

    i mean, WHAT DA FUCK

  • April 23, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    ..same night at 12

    by mattforce7

    DA FUCKKK

  • April 23, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    What could possibly have merited the bleeping??

    by performingmonkey

    Just think of what has been said on South Park over the years, all the shit Trey has come out with, all brilliant and biting, and yet NOW Comedy Central supposedly censor Kyle's complete speech at the end??? I can only think the lines pissed off the Comedy Central execs themselves, maybe they were aimed at them, maybe aimed at the gods of TV networks and they put pressure on CC to bleep it? The lines surely wouldn't have been offensive to us, the viewers. This is the network saying 'you think you can say and do what you want, well so can we, we're bleeping that speech!' It's like kids in a playground tactics. Hopefully we'll see the uncensored ep one day and we'll all be like 'wtf this wasn't remotely offensive to anyone'

  • April 23, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    change your Facebook image to South Parks Muhammad

    by Brannagins Law

    google image Super Best Friends or screen grab him from the dvd. How awesome would it be if Facebook turned into the next target for allowing images of South Park's Muhammad

  • April 23, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    M_Prevette your an idiot.

    by TheDudeinLA

    Only a moron would not see how important South Park is. Open your eyes and ears.

  • April 23, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a few New York muslimes

    by Crooooooow

    Need to be 'dealt' with.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I'd actually care about this "controversy"...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...if it was a show that actually had a point beyond just trying to offend people for the sake of offending them, like the Boondocks, for instance. This is all just a PR stunt designed to whip forum trolls and /b/tards into generating publicity for the show, and of course, it worked like a charm. *IF* this episode was actually CENSORED by outside forces, and not just EDITED by the company that produced it, I'd share in the outrage. But there's lots of stuff on TV that gets edited for broadcast. The only thing different here is that Matt & Trey are used to getting their way to do whatever they want, and when they finally hit a topic that their employers feel crosses a line and get themselves edited, they pout and cry injustice. Boo hoo for them. <p> I watched this episode, and honestly felt that they FINALLY made some insightful commentary by choosing to bleep the whole hackneyed "moral lesson" at the end. THAT was interesting. Now that it's come out that that wasn't even their intention, and it was just a happy accident, I actually lost even that little bit of respect for their attempts at satire.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    *-O:-{}

    by punto

    Mohhamed

  • April 23, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Roast?

    by WalterKovacs

    All I said was that this roast was good enough for Mohammed.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS! I BE BLESSED BLACK MUSLIM, LIKE OBAMA BIN LA

    by sweethomeobamaroma

    ...AND YOU DO NOT FUCK WITH US< WHITE POEPLE!

  • April 23, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Ebonic Plague.

    by gotilk

    I'm trying my best to respect what you wrote there but which do you think is closer to what's really going on?<br><br> a. South Park's main purpose, and sole purpose is to offend.<br><br> or<br><br> b. South Park is recognized as one of the few unfaltering, focused looks at current events combined with a childish but sharp wit and a knack for biting, unflinching parody.<br><br> Trying to prove a negative, I know, it's pretty much impossible. But are you even watching the same show as the rest of us? And in fact they have NOT ONCE pouted and cried injustice. Everyone else is doing a fine job of it without them, in FACT. I love the Boondocks. I'm shocked that someone who likes that actually doesn't seem to connect with South Park on such a baser level that he'd actually think it's purpose was to simply offend.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    they weren't even trying to offend

    by mrschips

    they just wanted to show the guy. That in itself is not offensive-- just having him hanging out with Jesus and given the same treatment. M&T aren't Muslim, so they don't need to censor themselves in that regard. Just like they don't censor themselves with regards to Judaism, Christianity, etc. It's ridiculous that one man is immune to criticism (which isn't even what they were doing with him in the show), and that is the point. If you're okay with censorship (over something as innocuous as an animated prophet no less), then you are a piece of shit and part of the problem.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by sweethomeobamaroma

    You GONNA DIE, FOOL!

  • April 23, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    MRSCHIPS

    by sweethomeobamaroma

    YOU gonna die like an iraqi white boy getting his balls eaten for breakfast by my MAN OBAMA, YOU SIMPLE FOOL!

  • They have been the masters at having their cake and eating it too. When they introduced Mr. Hankey, the singing piece of christmas shit, it was specifically to make the point that when the PC police are allowed to control the holidays, shit is all you are left with (and the final scene of the ep, Jesus sitting alone singing "Happy Birthday to me" was a nice way to show how everyone forgot whatthe holiday was supposed to be celebrating). When they had the episode in which the word "shit" was uttered 162 times in 22 minutes, it was done to highlight the eroding (and inconsistent) network standards. With Mohammed, when this was first introduced back in Cartoon Wars, they had Jesus defecate on an American flag, not just to offend, but to show the hypocrisy and cowardice of a network that didn't care about pissing off Christians or Americans, but did think showing Mohammed ringing a doorbell was going too far.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Fuck anyone who censors my cartoons dammit!

    by NeverTalksBack

    Yeah, and because I don’t have cable and they haven’t put it up at southpark studios like they always do (like an hour after broadcast) I still haven’t seen this episode! It’s driving me crazy! Can I have my new South Park now pleeaase, censored, uncensored, I just want to see what all the people with cable saw! :( I want my fuckin new South Park episode! BTW on last night's Daily Show Jon Stewart stood up for his comedy brethren and told the Muslim Revolution website people to go fuck yourself! :) BTW I agree, want to make a difference? Give a shit about our freedom of speech rights? Put the image of Muhammad from the Super Best Friends on your profiles on facebook, twitter, wherever, take a fuckin stand instead of just complaining on a website! ;)

  • April 23, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I thought Muslims didn't watch cartoons.

    by RPLocke

  • April 23, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Amazing

    by gotilk

    How many words have been put into Matt and Trey's mouths in this talkback alone. You know how they feel.. you know that they're butthurt.. etc etc. Find the quotes, link to 'em or clam the fuck up.

  • April 23, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Must have been CC...

    by knightrider

    The fact the ep wasn't even shown in the UK makes me think CC were behind the edits, not the production team.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The day the world got more fucked up...

    by Smerph

    is the day when a moronic TV channel bowed downs to the demands of a bunch of fucking terrorist cunts and decided to butcher one of the cleverest shows on the box.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    ...Can i threaten hellywood?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...Like if they decide to do a reboot of a movie, can i say theyll end up like theo van whoever? or can i only make threats based off of delusional "faith"? can i draw a picture of mohammed ali? where the does line stop?!

  • April 23, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    ...And last night Supernatural

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...Featured gods of many religions... you hear of any of their followers bitchin?

  • April 23, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I don't buy it

    by ballyhoo

    I still think they did it intentionally.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    *THROWS ROCK AT WALTERKOVACS*

    by J-Dizzle

    Well he did say Muhammed...

  • April 23, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by ebonic_plague

    I appreciate the non-flame reply, really. <p> I don't want to get caught up in a TB debate for a show that I honestly don't care much about either way, but to answer your question, my honest appraisal of South Park is that they find a controversial subject, think of a way to say something "shocking" or "offensive," and work backwards to shoehorn in some attempt to make it work as a satire. In previous threads, even their fans have defended the show saying that they're not trying to make any point, just trying to "make fun of everything." Which is fine, if that floats their audience's boat, but to me it just seems like giving the finger to everyone possible because they really believe the act of pressing people's buttons is inherently hilarious, and I just find that intellectually lazy. I think that every once in a while, they manage to come up with an episode that's both funny and outrageous (and I'll give them credit when they do), but IMO, being outrageous is their first goal, not making any kind of informed commentary. And why not? It's a strategy that's made them millionaires. <p> I'm not here to call them whiners (you're right, aside from that factual press release, they haven't gone full-blown Sylvia Plath-being-pepper-sprayed... in contrast to the more histrionic posts from some talkbackers), and I'm not here to call their fans stupid, or the show a piece of shit. I just don't see this daring subversive commentary that everyone else sees. I just see some guys who REALLY wanted to take a shot at the one sacred cow they haven't been able to mock, and somehow lucking into a situation where they actually made CC blink and create a mountain out of a molehill. <p> It's the whole "I know it when I see it" standard for obscenity argument. I appreciate insightful satire when I recognize it, but all I see in South Park is a stopped clock with two middle fingers for hands that just happen to show the correct time twice a day. Your mileage may vary. But thanks for being civil about it.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    In Comedy Central's defense

    by smackfu

    All it takes is one douchebaggy employee to voice personal safety concerns to the Comedy Central HR person and they pretty much have to start playing Nanny or they're liable if anything happens. Anytime any company starts taking over-the-top safety measures it's always because of a unionized employee making complaints. I'm sure the Comedy Central bigwigs didn't want to censor the episode any more than they wanted to stop wearing scented deodorant.

  • April 23, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    @Sithdan...

    by DuncanDisorderly

  • April 23, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I'll try again: @Sithdan...

    by DuncanDisorderly

    <p>V is shite. Anyone with any sense is avoiding it like the plague; as the ratings thankfully show.<p> <p>The discussion here is how South Park has been neutered against the creator's wishes.<p> <p>When you have something relevant (and interesting...) to contribute then feel free to join in.<p>

  • April 23, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Just chiming in...

    by DuncanDisorderly

    <p>In all honesty I find the controversy surrounding the episode to be rather pathetic and I stand by Matt and Trey's position.<p> <p>Also, I'm an Atheist and I believe that religious attitudes cause more problems than they solve.<p>

  • April 23, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    You're all missing the real tragedy in this...

    by Darth Melkor

    Pip is dead.

  • April 23, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    "Real" Mohammed should be revealed as an existing character

    by br1947

    Jesus: "He was hidden away to prevent tragedies like this, if no one knew what he looked like, he could not be depicted. But the time is come to reveal yourself in your true form, Mr Slave"<br><br>Mr Slave/Mohammed: "Jesus Christ!"<br><br>Jesus: "I'm sorry, it had to be done"

  • April 23, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I think V is getting better . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Things are happening as opposed to other shows that usually tread water mid-way through. What hurt V was its long layoff which, while I understand the reasoning, was completely idiotic.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    did you know that muslims can't touch their weiners to pee?

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    seriously i work with a bunch and when they have to use the urinal they grab a paper towel, at first i used to make jerking off jokes but i found out that their religion doesn't allow them to touch their penis in a non sexual manner..like fuck their religion doesn't allow them to piss free handed, what the fuck why would you stay a part of that?

  • April 23, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Matt and Trey are fearless and I respect them...

    by Jaka

    ...immensely for that. As much as I love South Park, I sometimes wish they had more success outside of that franchise. It would give them the freedom to do this kind of stuff outside of the boundaries of South Park and CC. And what the fuck CC? Pull your heads out!

  • April 23, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    someone should make prophet moohamid t-shirts

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    now, odds are some muslims will kill some dudes wearing it, but for the sake of the world that would be a good thing, it has to get worse before it gets better, i would never condone 911 but after it happend i think the civilized world droped the ball by not using everyones anger to wipe out the muslims once and for all.<P>that religion holds back the advancment of society

  • April 23, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing. I look forward too...

    by Jaka

    ...the upcoming episode of South Park where every character walks around with tape over their mouths for 22 minutes.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf, sounds like you found a business opportunity!

    by br1947

    "Cock Coozies! Are you muslim? Are you tired of pissing on your own shoes because you can't control the stream? Well, we have the product for you! The Cock Coozie is a 100% hypo-allergenic neoprene sleeve that will keep Allah off your ass! Call today and get a second Cock Coozie for free!" Billy Mays could have sold the shit out of that!

  • April 23, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Darth Melkor.

    by Juggernaut125

    Really appreciated your comment. And we should also recognize the possibility of a Neal Diamond/Babs world tour. I'm practically in line already.

  • April 23, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I don't blame them.

    by ParagonComplex

    I'm all about free speech and freedom of expression, but there's no way I'd say or do anything about Mohammad or Muslims in general in public even if it is facetious or satire. Muslim's are barbarians, and I truly believe they would've done their best to kill Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They weren't just idle threats. The only peace the radical Muslims are interested in is a piece of metal sticking out of your head.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    ParagonComplex, but that's the point

    by Jaka

    Trey and Matt are clearly not afraid to take their art to those places. They never have been. CC wussed out.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    either way...

    by ugh

    it was still funny. Thank you Matt and Trey.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    As a Muslim...

    by Hyphin

    @ Spidercoz: You, my friend, have hit it dead on the head. That website has very little, if anything, to do with what being a Muslim is all about.<p>@RedBull_Werewolf: Either your coworkers are 'taking the mickey' out of you, as they say, or you're flagrantly lying. Or hey, maybe those 'Muslims' really just had no idea what their religion is about. But um, yah. You think, all over the World, Muslims have been struggling, trying to figure out how to take a piss without touching themselves? I highly doubt the religion would have even gotten two days old, after the Prophet (pbuh) lay that bombshell on the first Muslims. Come on, buddy. One of the main things that people LOVE to throw at religion in general is that it doesn't seem to employ any common sense. Sure you could say that's THE REASON that you thought it might be true, but Islam is growing pretty impressively, mostly in the West, where I think, at least in Canada, it's pretty well known that to insure minimal sprayback and the like, touching needs to be involved. Westerners have common sense, no?<p>My thoughts in general, as a Muslim, reflect what someone up there said earlier. Matt and Trey aren't Muslim. To expect for them to adhere to Muslim codes of conduct/principles is pretty lame. Because, hey, Non-Muslims don't expect Muslims to behave exactly like they do. At least, not most of them. It's actually an established Islamic teaching NOT to do EXACTLY what this dude from that ridiculous website did.<p>No, what drew me into posting SOMETHING was some of the frankly saddening things some people say about Muslims. It's like you don't know any, which, for some reason, I feel is unlikely. Whatever. All I'm saying is, saying things like "The more that are killed, the better" or "Islam has held back progress (paraphrasing)" is just, I dunno. Ignorant. The first statement sounds exactly like what 'MUSLIM TERRORISTS' say, and the second is laughable at best. Islam may literally be, regardless of whether or not you subscribe to it's beliefs, one of the most progressive forces in HISTORY, whether you're talking about Mathematics, Medicine or the sciences of society. Everyone knows that, while the streets of Spain were lit by the worlds first street lamps, London sat in darkness.<p>But yah. So. This whole business is pretty stupid.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    @ ParagonComplex

    by Hyphin

    ...jeez, I hope none of that rant sounded too barbaric. I've been trying to tone that down, you see.

  • April 23, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    Jon Stewart is a pussy

    by VitaminZ

    Hey, Jon, how about criticizing your shit network for basically taking orders from terrorists? Or maybe pointing out all the U.S. newspapers that stayed out of the fray and hid while the Danish cartoon controversy was playing out? No, instead he pretty much just admitted that his show mostly goes after safe targets like Christians, Jews, etc. His stupid "Go Fuck Yourself" song directed at the Revolution Muslim website was pathetic since, in the end, RM won because Stewart's network let them. The only good thing about Stewart's response was that he essentially admitted that the only edgy content on Comedy Central is South Park, while the rest just goes after the usual targets.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Comedy Network probably going to unbleep this Sunday

    by Tall_Boy66

    The Canadian Comedy network, which shows South Park uncensored, had a post of the daily show about South Park on their front page and they had a little write up that said, "Stay tuned on Sunday to find out!" So, since they air new South Parks on Sundays up here in Canada, and they never bleep it, it'll probably be uncensored. Stay tuned, I'll be watching.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Hyphin....where are your leaders

    by brabon300

    i personally dont give a damn if someone comes on an internet site and says "that isnt what islam is all about"<p> not one of your leaders has spoken up....which makes me think they agree<p>just like the fuckin catholic church and the kid fuckers they protect<p> so fuck both of your religions

  • April 23, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Hyphin maybe they aren't muslims

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    but they are brown and savage so i assumed they were muslims, but they might be seaks (is that how it's spelt?) which are the ones that wear colored turbans, cause one dude wears like bright colors turbans, is he like a gay muslam or something<P>and i'm not just prejudiced against mooslams, i think anyone that belives in a god or follows a cult religion is a savage that is only fooling themselves

  • April 23, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    it's short-sightedness

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    When an institution becomes an end and not a means to an end- something to kill, die and cover up all manner of abuses for.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    RedBull

    by thegreatwhatzit

    An atheist is fueled with artificial intelligence (equally in the dark). As for this SP episode, it's undiluted Bill Castle hokum; the series has been eclipsed by the SIMPSONS comeback ("TV Guide" is impassioned with the series, always "The Best" of... everything), the stale FAMILY GUY, et al. It's just kindling publicity with the sort of desperation.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    This serves as another example that some people will use......

    by BumLove

    ...any reason to hate....specifically, to hate Muslims. They just wait for a reason. In 2002, it was the lie of weapons of mass destruction. Now, it's an episode of South Park. Some of South Park's biggest fans represent the very people South Park lampoons, like the mob of mouth breathers yelling "They took our juuuurrrrbbs". <p> Seriously, take some deep breaths, people.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    As a non-muslim...

    by Gault

    @redbull_werewolf - So we could refer to most of America as white and savage just because most of America believes in a god? I like how you can't actually formulate a decent response to a comment from a 'savage' who, shock and horror, is clearly more intelligent than you. You have to resort to petty, ignorant and unfunny comments to defend your racists views. In regards to the comments of "Islam halting progress", Islam actually contributed to many of the greatest advancements in science, maths and technology and if it wasn't for hundreds of years of imperialism and colonialism reaped on most of the Muslim world by the West than Islam might be more even tempered and moderate today. The extremist views and the development of radical Islam was a response to being treated with utter disdain and the treatment of Muslims in their own countries as slaves and second class citizens and we only have ourselves to blame. The Western countries are the ones that skewed the development of Islam into what is so misunderstood today, and well misunderstood by both Muslims and the rest of the world. Sorry if this posts stands out a bit too much so here's my obligatory insult and fuck you. Not everyone in the world is a white middle class American who represents the pinnacle of human development and who can do no wrong, so stop acting like it.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Hyphin

    by ebonic_plague

    Very well said. Thanks for reminding me that there are still thoughtful people reading AICN to balance out the Redbull_Werewolves of the world.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    GAULT.....

    by J-Dizzle

    As a Persian, I'm curious to know what Islamic contributions to advancements in science, math, and technology are you referring to exactly?

  • April 24, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    JettL you are lying your ass off!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Your ass have been too busy on this site to research shit!<p>Now if you said you were researching porn than you would have some believers!<p>Fascinating stuff when view from a horndog perspectitve!

  • April 24, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Muslims are running for that Asshole religion of the century

    by Phategod2

    There neck and neck with Christians and Catholics.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    "They've" had the upperhand since they pimped gunpowder

    by Phategod2

    from the Chinese. If it had been the other way around the Global landscape would look a hell of a lot different. whome ever the "we" is JettL is speaking of the upperhand came from centuries of Conquering using moral Ambiguiety (sp) not by being smarter or stronger just a total lack of scrouples by an entire nation, if not continent.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    @ J-Dizzle

    by Hyphin

    I say you do some research. Because, you can't be serious. To outline such things in an AICN post would be hilarious, not to mention shockingly boring to read. Just. Google. Heck, try Wikipedia.<p>@Gault: Well said indeed. It's rare to see so deep and complex an idea put into words so succinctly and effectively. The modern history of Islam, or, more importantly the people who claim to follow it, flies way over the collective heads of the general public, even in Muslim countries, where people think that all their issues started 2 (or whenever the last 'election' was) years ago. Hat off to you, sir.<p>@Ebonic: Likewise :).<p>@brabon300: It's good to know people are, at the very least, pondering the issues. Because frankly, that's a great point. But I have three things to say in response, and two of them are just my opinion, let me state that off the bat. First of all, a large number of leaders HAVE condemned it, no only political ones, but, quote-unquote, religious ones as well. They rarely make the news, though. It's just how it is. Ghadafi is basically a cartoon character, and America basically thinks that all Muslims must be like that dude. Obviously, not all of America, but a large percentage. But hey. Maybe you're right, these leaders aren't loud enough, let's agree to that. This brings me to my next point, though. You're assuming that these leaders of Muslim nations are, well, MUSLIM. Bear with me for a moment. Just because someone says they are one thing, and they believe one thing, doesn't mean that it's actually a reality for them. Based on the practices of MANY 'Muslim' nations, GROSS injustices, which are flat-out condemned in Islamic teaching, occur regularly. Saying that it's because of Islam doesn't fly, because the leaders aren't even PRACTICING Islam. Call me fundamentalist, but hey, if some of those so called leaders actually started practicing Islam, the Middle East would be a different place. As of right now? Bribery, Corruption and Nepotism are what it's about. All I'm saying is, that's not Islam, man. It's like saying lying about weapons of mass destruction and then killing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS is Christian, because Bush was Christian. But that's ridiculous. Anyways, my third point was basically this: How many truly fine leaders have there ever been, in history. Leaders that truly stood for something, and put that 'something' before themselves and, hey, their pocketbooks. Have a look at that list. It isn't long. You put the blame for a horrible human failing, that is, that power corrupts absolutely, onto the shoulders of Islam so easily, I wonder how much you thought about it. But that's just my opinion, again.<p>This is refreshing. I was about the venture into the Lost talkback, and deal with scrolling past hater posts, but suddenly I'm involved in civilized conversation.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't trust these guys

    by DarthBlart

    Matt and Trey ran over my foot about 7 years ago, they were driving drunk actging wild in a golf cart full of ice and beer bottles , so you could imagine it was quite heavy, and one yelled out sorry bro, and they just kept driving. my dad's a lawyer, so we sued, and won! they made fart noises the whole time in court. i got the bills paid for my broken leg and my downtime at my job at arby;s. they paid the fine in rolls of pennies.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    @Phategod2

    by Hyphin

    hahahaha. Yeah. Crossing my fingers, on that one.<p>Who needs hockey playoffs?

  • April 24, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Fox also runs Comedy Channel apparently

    by RPLocke

    It's a sad day when shows like Firefly, etc get canceled when South Park runs for 20 years on the same joke.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Which same joke has South Park been using for 20 years?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Also, what is it like in the future in the year 2017 on South Park's 20 anniversary?

  • April 24, 2010, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Pulled in the UK

    by RMA

    Comedy Central in the UK has no backbone - repeated the Tiger Woods episode instead. Cowards.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    funny thing about free speech is...

    by Gault

    that's it's widely recognised as having limitations. Speech is free insofar as allowing you to state opinions and thoughts to the point where it is undeniably hurtful and racist. Americans as individuals have this view where they can say or do anything they want because, let's face it, "I'm speaking American" and "this America, man". But when your opinions and thoughts that you're vomiting out become openly hurtful and racist your free speech becomes null and void because you're breaking laws of your own country. And there comes a point where you have to realise that your words are perpetuating that same hate and violence that you condone. @JettL1993 - You do realise that white skinned humans have not been around since the "dawn of time". In fact before whites emerged, believe it or not, there were many different dark skinned races that were culturally rich and diverse and also technologically advanced for their time and without whom you would not be sitting in your Laz-boy sipping on your yoohoo. You said you don't agree with racism or sexism but in your title you admit to having racist tendencies. The reason for your views of both racism and sexism are essentially down to the same thing. I'll start with sexism. The man/woman gap in power only exists because it's had thousands and thousands of years cultural development where man has imposed his will upon woman, and given them a clearly defined and limited role in to play in society. After lifetimes of societal developments where woman were kept, essentially, as non-members of society it is easy to see how the effects of it are still seen today. The ideas of gender and sex are merely psychological after all. There are many cultures throughout the pacific islands, for instance, that have extreme matriarchal societies that are found to be some of the least violent and most cooperative and passive societies on Earth. The same can be said about your racism. Just because whites are a fairly new development in the larger history of humanity does not make it any less applicable. The idea of one race being ultimately superior is a dangerous one to propagate, especially in a country where white births are about to be superseded by hispanic births. @J-Dizzle - Muslims essentially invented algebra and made massive contributions to trigonometry, geometry and many other mathematical ideas. They created the law of inertia, law of refraction and danced around the idea of gravity was before Newton. There's plenty more societal and technological developments that a simple google search will show.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    gotta learn to paragraph... sorry

    by Gault

  • April 24, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Not advocating a reverse wedgie for Al-Amrikee..

    by mulberry

    {apologies - had posted this on another talkback just before it fizzled out} <p>There are two tedious things about this publicity-seeking dick: he is a dick without any balls (so basically just a glorified piss-pipe); and he is presenting a minority view as if it is a central tenet of Islam. And people fall for it. <p> I've done about 10 mins of internet research (which is about enough for an internet Doctorate) into aniconism (prohibition of images) in Islam, and - surprise, surprise - it's not at all cut and dry. <p> As far as I can gather, worshipping idols is banned in the Qu'ran (as it is in the Bible), but there is no generalised prohibition of making images of living things. This is reasonably sensible if you want to distinguish your religion from idol-based polytheistic ones. <p> There are then various Hadiths (narratives of the life of Muhammad and his teachings), the acceptance of which as canonical varies between branches of Islam, which broach the topic of "graven images". Again, lots specifically about idolatory. <p> Then loads of expositions by interpreters of Islamic law about how to generalise these disparate elements. <p> This varied massively in different Islamic cultures at different times. <p> The extreme view of this guy is a classic "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" interpretation by people who like to have nice, clear rules (backed up by threats of divine punishment, usually meted out by thugs in his gang) and who then want to extend them to others. <p> The basic thinking broadly being: idolatory is sinful, to avoid the risk of idolatory of Muhammad and other prophets, a ban on representation of them is sensible (along with an idea that it is a flawed copy of a divine creation), therefore (and here's the leap of logic, folks) the creation of images is equally a sin and an "insult to Islam". <p> Unlike being Jewish, Mormon, Christian or Atheist, where your entire life is a living rejection of the principles of Islam. Apparently that's not as bad as doing a picture. <p> Exactly the same sort of thing in the context of covering of women: we want to avoid excessive temptation of men and general lewd behaviour in women, so there is an exhortation to modest dressing, therefore (leap of logic) failure to cover up entirely is deemed to be the actual sin. <p> But a video message from Matt and Trey listing a load of ridiculous things they are not suggesting people do to Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee (reverse wedgie, hiding his keys, dyeing his beard blue, doing a cartoon of him in a threesome with Mr Garrison and Big Gay Al) would be cool. <p> Given people on TV are arguably graven images, he shouldn't be watching anyway. <p> And exactly how do we know if something is a picture of Muhammad, given we don't know what he looks like. <p> Maybe that picture of Christ in the toast was actually Muhammad and it was evil toast. <p> Oh, and on the contrary side, in terms of Islam being responsible for science and technology... Yeah, big up for the advances made under Islamic regimes in the millenium before the European Enlightenment. <p>However, you can't say current misrule by governments of Islamic states is human and non-Islamic, but techno progress was Islamic. <p>Way I see it, the big determinants of that sort of progress is wealthy, stable government and some level of competition with rival powers, not religion.<p> You wouldn't say Newtonian physics is "Christian". <p>Some of the developments were biased towards astronomy and water management which tie up nicely with the need to point to and travel to Mecca and strict hygiene laws in arid countries (as well as trade and agriculture). <p> Single biggest irony here is that the flavour of Islam which is most contentious is Saudi Wahabism, which has been funded primarily by Western money for oil.<p>This will be a similar level of irony to when we realise that we've just spent 30 years pouring money into China to fund them into become a major competition.....

  • April 24, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Firefly......

    by VenomPD

    Is is for gaybos

  • April 24, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Reason why MO wasn't in Supernatural

    by gotilk

    last night? Nothing kills a God-party like MO. All those rules, Kali would have had to cover her face.. and besides the stuck-up motherfucker thinks he's up there with the Judeo-Christian folks, so he considers hanging out with the other lesser gods and demi-gods "slumming". Stuck up fucker of children.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    tall_boy66

    by emeraldboy

    the answer to you question is cheesy poofs. what I find remarkable is that whole plot of south park the movie was about censorship. take mr Makey. he cant say the work fuck, so he says m'kay. parker and stone are equal opportunit satirists.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Okay, BumLove, I took your advice - deep breaths

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Now, you take mine - go fuck yourself. Seriously. With a chainsaw.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Gault

    by gotilk

    I'm sorry, but the fact that the Muslims are responsible for destroying the history and accomplishments of all they conquer negates any accomplishments they achieve on their own. Especially when you consider that if they did steal any of these advancements from other nations or societies, they most likely burned the evidence by policy. Revisionists would like you to think that Alexandria was burned to the ground by everyone from Ceasar in 48bc (?? if so, then why do we see evidence it survived? and since it "survived".. it wasn't destroyed) to Theophilus in the 300s or so. But the fact remains, the Muslims were the last to burn it. Pretty damning. Couple this history with the fact that they are STILL doing it and I just cannot revere the Muslims for their mathematical accomplishments, which if actually true, are defined by their societal limitations more than anything. If we banned poetry, music and novels in the US, there's a pretty good chance we'd have a new renaissance in the visual arts. The fact is, the Muslim world is still doing this crap, wherever and whenever they can, destroying non-muslim history when they can get away with it. Look at the destruction of the giant mountain Bamiyan Buddah statues by the Taliban(ordered by Mohammed Omar directly) in Afghanistan. No, I mean actually LOOK at them do it. <br><br>http://tinyurl.com/2dowelm <br><br>Islam and Muslims need to come to the realization that although the world does not and should not wish destruction upon them, they are not exactly doing much to convince anyone they don't deserve it. They are certainly not the only huge group of people in the world responsible for or capable of horrific acts. But they are the only huge group in the world left to openly reject reason on such a scale as to threaten the peace of the entire planet. The religions and political leadership of the region rejects the beauty, intelligence and creativity of its people continually as policy, continually putting them at risk of incurring the wrath of those they kill or destroy from a distance. You look to the youth of places like Iran and you see a consistent rejection of tradition and a passionate desire to participate in world culture, arts and commerce, and where you find this rejection you will also find BRUTAL oppression and punishment for the simple act of recording a song, or taking a photograph, or singing.. dancing.. wanting to see how the rest of the world is conducting itself. People on the outside say it's their business. But as we've seen, it eventually reaches us if we ignore it. Some would call me an Islamaphobe for the things I've said. Fine. If rejecting systematic, repeatedly predictable intolerance on a huge scale is intolerance or means that I "fear" Islam, and that makes you feel more comfortable in some way, fine. But I don't "fear" Islam for myself. I fear it for the people of the Middle Eastern and other regions of the world. What they face is a tradition so well designed, perfected to systematically reject subversion and opposition from within, they virtually have zero chance of rising up out of their history and becoming a part of the modern world on any level. See, I've never met a Muslim, in my life, that I did not like. Nor have I met anyone from the middle east, in person, that I did not like. It is Islam itself that threatens freedom, prosperity, happiness and progress wherever it has the power to do so. I'm repulsed by the people who look at rejection of Muslim-led attempts at oppression and repression in their communities as a form of "intolerance", ignoring that the target of this intolerance would be the ultimate example of intolerance if allowed to have the power to do so. Rejection of a religion, no matter the majority skin color of its adherents, cannot and will not EVER be racism or even a close approximation, no matter how many times you try to connect them. Someone who thinks Islam is bad for the world CAN be a racist also. Just as a racist can also be a humanitarian. Or a peace activist can beat his wife. But it does NOT mean EVER that peace activists are wife beaters or racists are humanitarians. As a matter of fact, I would call the labeling of people who criticize Islam as Islamaphobes as something right up there with flat-out racism. It makes an unfair, unreasonable assumption and applies it to the entire group without having to think about it. Just as racism makes hatred easier. It's also very, very convenient for people doing horrible things to avoid criticism. Just as most religions do by design. Brand anyone who criticizes them as a "____-a-phobe". Makes us inanimate, easy to compartmentalize and de-humanize. Makes any reason that spills from our mouths easy to just chalk up to "oh.. it's that Islamaphobe again.. you can ignore that guy". Awfully, awfully convenient.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    and...

    by gotilk

    The moment we pass laws that protect people from having their feelings hurt, rather than actual slander or hatred toward people for who they are (black, white, asian, Texan, etc), we're not a free nation anymore. It's VERY important that people understand the difference between skin color, sexual preference and IDEAS. The moment we cannot criticize or reject and IDEA, such as which invisible creator we believe in, we've rejected freedom for comfort. None of us want our feelings hurt. But I'll tell you, nothing hurts more than being told you have to keep your mouth shut because your view of the world is not institutionalized, therefore protected from criticism. And if your belief system identifies criticism as blasphemy, crime or aggression, in my opinion we must look closely at that belief system and question how it fits into a society that values freedom of speech. Ultimately, ALL other religions have had to adapt to the progress of freedom. Demand of this progress is not hatred, on any level. It's called fairness.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The idea that the West caused

    by gotilk

    "extremist" Islam is laughable as well. There was no America when Islam was conquering nations and burning their history, art, technology and records because it was not Islamic. Christians did this as well, but adapted to the progress of freedom worldwide over the centuries. Islam has, in fits and starts, tried to progress as well. And we have interfered in this progress against our own best interests in the long run. But the "west" is hardly responsible for policies written in stone before it existed. Laughable.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    there is a man called dr Ronan Tynan...

    by emeraldboy

    He is an opera singer. His story is that when he was born his legs had amputated and for the rest of his life he changed his artifiical legs as he grew older. his parents pushed him and gave him enormous self belief, there was nothing he could not over come and accomplish and he was able to ride a horse, he got a doctoral phd and as an opera singer who he sang to presidents and prime ministers and sang in all the world famous opera houses as a tenor. He was a huge draw on the opera circuit in the USA and was hugely inspirational figure interviews. Untill last year when he seemed to make an offhand comment. to someone who it turned out was jewish. this is from Wikipedia: Tynan made an allegedly anti-Semitic remark to a real estate agent and prospective buyer Dr. Gabrielle Gold-von Simson, who was looking at an apartment in Tynan's building on Manhattan's East Side. Shortly after this the Yankees canceled Tynan's performance of "God Bless America" for Game 1 of the 2009 American League Championship Series on October 16, 2009. [5] It is thought that the Yankee's decision may have been in pursuant to his alleged anti-Semitic remark. Tynan explained that two Jewish women came to view a neighboring apartment to his and the estate agent had said that they were very particular, and the pair had laughed about it. Some time afterwards another estate agent showed up with a potential client, with the agent joking to Tynan "at least they're not (Boston) Red Sox fans". Tynan replied referring to the exacting women he had met earlier: "At least they're not the Jewish ladies." The prospective client, Dr Gabrielle Gold-Von Simson, who is a Jewish pediatrician, took umbrage and said: "Why would you say that?" Tynan replied: "That would be scary", and laughed, referring to the previous incident. In response to Tynan's subsequent apology, the Anti Defamation League national director, Abraham Foxman, said: "It is our belief that when an individual who has a record of good works, as does Dr Tynan, slips up on one occasion, a sincere apology should help everyone move on."[6] [edit]

  • April 24, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Penn is missing something

    by readyoufool

    He's missing something either on purpose for some reason or he just forgot it. here's the previously referenced CNN video btw. http://bit.ly/aJ1aOy It's one thing for a religion and its adherents to find it offensive for certain things to happen (christians with abortion, muslims with mohammed, scientologists with actual common sense, etc) but it's completely different for those adherents to then take it upon themselves to rid the world of that offensive thing by violence against people who do not believe the way they believe. Penn didn't address the violence part. This isn't about whether or the depiction is offensive. We all already know that it's offensive. The issue at hand is Should Matt and Trey and CC be credibly threatened with violence if they choose to irritate a given religion. Does the Qu'ran actually say somewhere that not only should there be no image of Mohammed but that such a law also applies to all of humanity and that the follower's of Islam are justified in violent responses to NON-adherents of Islam? And further more, in a society such as ours, the free expression of your belief system does not extend to the expectation that others should also abide by those rules. In other words, It sound like Penn is saying that Matt and Trey shouldn't have pursued this because it hurts Muslims feelings. Which is weird to say given that "Bullshit" is so virulently anti-supernatural. Basically penn's appearance on the show was pretty worthless. He really contributed nothing to the conversation which is disappointing because he's such an interesting guy with, usually, well thought out opinions.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    also...

    by readyoufool

    it weirdly sound like Penn doesn't "get" the purpose of south park. He keeps talking about "going for the joke" etc. How does he not get or acknowledge the heart of the show which has almost always been satire? He does a humor/satire show himself! It's like he's just purposefully ignoring it for some reason. His appearnance on larry king really is kind of an enigma. It just makes no sense. It's like someone was holding his family hostage and told him to go on Larry King and be a worthless uninformed and misguided guest. Very strange.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Jawas

    by ddschneider1972

    I'm offended by women scurrying around Wal-mart dressed as Jawas. They even sound like them. "Utinni allah ackbar" but they ever have the droids I'm looking for...

  • April 24, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Trey & Matt are not "Off the Hook"

    by Chief Joseph

    Since when do Muslims forgive anyone? They still hold grudges from hundreds, thousands of years ago. Matt & Trey will be on the Moslem (s)hitlist forever. To say that this is all some collusion between them and Comedy Central to get them "off the hoook" is retarded.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    @ The Dum Guy

    by Chief Joseph

    Penn Jillette is just a whiney baby because South Park made fun of HIS religion, atheism. He called up Matt and Trey when that episode aired and bitched at them. This is just his "getting back" at them.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    GAULT, YOU ASSUME MUSLIMS INVENTED THOSE THINGS

    by J-Dizzle

    "Muslims essentially invented algebra and made massive contributions to trigonometry, geometry and many other mathematical ideas. They created the law of inertia, law of refraction and danced around the idea of gravity was before Newton. There's plenty more societal and technological developments that a simple google search will show."<br /> <br /> Mohammed died 8 June 632AD. He was illiterate and an epileptic. Islam came out of Arabia in mid 600's. Islam itself had no intellectual history. They brought little material culture to the ancient civilizations they captured – only religion (Islam) and language (Arabic). They adopted the dress, architecture, philosophy, literature, mathematics and science of the Persians, Greeks and Indians. (Arab numerals should be rightly known as Indian numerals.) The golden age of literature, science and architecture centered in Baghdad reached its apex during 750 – 850.<br /> <br /> As a Persian, I find it insulting that you would just widely assume that any and all advancements that originated in the middle east came from someone else. Much of what Arabs claim are Muslim inventions are actually concepts and inventions stolen from the cultures they invaded, conquered, and suppressed (including mine).

  • April 24, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Chief Joseph

    by The Dum Guy

    From what I understand Matt and Trey are friends with Penn, on the commentary track of the Atheism ep. (Cartman wants a Wii), they say Penn called them up and was slightly upset that they weren't atheist (which he had assumed), but they didn't say he was angry at them.<br><br>I think Penn missed the point since I don't believe he saw the episode, he (and I don't agree with his mentality) thought that the whole Muhammed in a bear suit was just a way to break the taboo of having M. image just to piss people off. All of which was moot, since it was Santa and not Muhammed (the supposedly reason for the death threats).<br><br><br>Of course I could be wrong.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    J-Dizzle

    by Chief Joseph

    Great points, thanks for that.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    great now another radical group has issued a death threat to mat

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Revolution Kringle has issued a statment saying that because of matt and trey's blasphemus portrayal of santa claus in a bear suit they have threatend to have them both put on the naughty list. Comedy central has issued an apology and pulled all previous episodes that portrayed santa. Paramount viacom have stated they are doing this for the protection of their employees because this year is a great toy season and it would suck to be on the naughty list.<P>oh wait maybe this didn't happen because all other religions in the world are tolerable of free speech, it's only the primative sand people that don't allow free expression

  • April 24, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Dawkins would have been better

    by Chief Joseph

    to use Santa Claus as his centerpiece for atheism instead of that stupid Spaghetti Monster. Both Santa and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God judge you on your merits with promises of future rewards without giving you any proof of their existence. Yet one is considered ridiculous child's play and the other is DEADLY SERIOUS

  • April 24, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    People forget that Santa Claus was real

    by Chief Joseph

    Saint Nicholas was a real man. He was just as real as Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, etc. He was just attributed with a lot of mythical accomplishments that he didn't do. Just like Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, etc.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I keep meaning do do a project about

    by Chief Joseph

    Santa=God someday. Watch some Hollywood hack like Don Murphy read this talkback and steal my idea.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Mark your calendar people...

    by DoctorWho?

    May 20th is Everybody Draw Muhammed Day.<p> Google it.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Just a casual observation about the world

    by smackfu

    But I can't help but notice that where you find a culture that is failing on an epic scale, there is always a complete lack of accountability. No one says 'yes, there are deep problems in our culture, and we're trying to fix them but it's difficult'. Instead they say 'it's (insert person, country, race or religion here)'s fault we're like this'. Human beings have free will, and are responsible for their own beliefs, choices and actions. If you're really going to say that other people are controlling your nature, beliefs, actions etc, then that doesn't say anything better about you than admitting your failures.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    @Smackfu

    by Hyphin

    Actually, I said exactly that.<p>Well, more or less.<p>@Gotilk: Might as well give you the final word, as my personal belief is that yours is the prevailing opinion. I would just like to relate a hope. A hope that anyone reading your post chooses to go out and find out for themselves what exactly they should 'fear'.<p>Frankly, there is something to 'fear' in Islam, just not what people think it is. The social change that Islam enacted would more or less dismantle a way of life that, today, many people would profess to be their own. What I mean is, when Dick Cheney says we are fighting for 'our way of life' he means it. Islam, in some places, contradicts the (opinion) excessive, careless and sometimes ruthless no-consequence systems of say, the 'American' way of life. Being someone who works for a Haliburton, profiting off of a war created by it's CEO, Islam is a scary thing. Because it's beginning ushered in a new era in human history (and, again, regardless of whether or not you subscribe to it's beliefs), which progressed human thought and science in leaps and bounds, in a matter of years. There are few forces in the entirety of history that have done what Islam did, and I'm talking from merely the historical, provable aspect. This kind of effect on history is a scary thing, a thing to be 'fearful' of, when you require that things stay a very certain way, with very certain people in power, making a very certain amount of money, while very certain nothing can happen to them.<p>If only Muslim nations themselves would get out of the quagmire that is their apathy and disconnect with their people. Hell, that's another scary thing. What if, one day, Muslim nations decided they were done with being the way they are, corrupt and used, and took a stand. No no, not militarily. But on the principles of the very religion they have claimed to be following. Economy as we know it would change. That's a thing to fear.<p>I dunno. I guess all I am saying is this. Find out yourself, guys. Figure out whether or not Islam is something that you should fear, because it is against your principles, not because some moron mullah wannabe with an internet connection tells you something, or some because loony mountain people, who have been at war with each other and everyone else since forever, shoot at statues. Find out whether or not the people who choose to speak violently, or act that way, are Muslim.<p>That's all I got for now.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    @DoctorWho?

    by Hyphin

    I suppose a little class would be too much, eh?<p>Oh wait, no. We're fighting 'EM TURRORISTS. Let's confuse all the other Muslims that don't expect us to die for such things, but ask a for a little respect. After all, no one knows what he looks like, why would it matter to Muslims, what you drew? It doesn't. You just seem...I dunno. Like a hurdle to peaceful discussion. How many people have to tell you that Muslims don't really care if you draw him (or freaking ANY Prophets), they would just prefer you really didn't, before you realize you're stubbornly catering to a tiny minority of narrow-minded, hateful and violent extremists? <p>Jeez, man.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    @ DoctorWho?

    by nukeboy1970

    I am going to draw my Muhammed sucking his own cock. Yeah I went there.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    @ Hyphin

    by nukeboy1970

    Why did you get all pissy at the mention of draw Muhammed day? The whole point is that it isn't directed at Islam or Muslims in general. It is a fuck you to the radicals who believe it is ok to saw someone's head off for making a Muhammed cartoon. You are completely over reacting.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    @Nukeboy

    by Hyphin

    Fair enough. Perhaps I was. Maybe I was just thinking about the fact that now Matt and Trey might tone stuff down.<p>Now THAT's something to fear.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    @Hyphin

    by nukeboy1970

    I agree totally. I don't think they will. When Scientology went after them, they ramped up their satire. Same thing will happen with the radical Muslims. Matt and Trey's point was it is ok to show Jesus watching internet porn or Buddha snorting coke, but not ok to even show an image of Muhammed. The hypocrisy, intolerence, and censorship were the objects of the attack.

  • April 24, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    fox should add a muhamid show to animation domination

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    it would be really funny and when the sand people bomb fox studios the UN can be all like WTF, it's just a cartoon, then we bomb the shit out of every country that supports mooslams, then once that religion is gone aliens who have been monitoring us finally make contact because our world is finally civilized enough

  • April 24, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Hyphin

    by gotilk

    Thanks for the thoughtful, sane discourse. I have to stop from time to time and wonder if the way I'm reacting is outright anger, outrage or fear. If it's fear, I think people need to stop and deal with that. They usually do not and mis-label their own feelings. I'm not sure I truly "fear" Islam. I don't think I do. I think I'm opposed to many of it's fundamental, traditional "rules" and how there has been a desire through history to impose those rules upon others. But when I really think about it, Islam is not a people, it's a set of ideas. People can fear a set of ideas, sure. But it's not an irrational fear. Ideas are what they are, only opposing ideas are changeable. But if you fear a group of people, say.. Muslims.. it can be an irrational fear, based on misunderstandings, misinterpretations (the famous "death to America... death to Traffic!! Death to bad pizza" bit.. it basically means "sucks" rather than DEATH literally) or ignorance. But there are static sets of ideas withing Islam, unquestionably and to deny them within Islam itself is against the rules. I cannot have an irrational fear of death by stoning for adultery. It simply IS what it is and any "fear" of it is rational. It might be more accurate to describe my reaction to such things as anger, perhaps even hatred (of the idea). Did I get the sense that you thought "looney mountain people" destroyed those statues? It was Taliban leadership, from the top. Sure, maybe looney mountain people shot at them for hundreds of years, but without question the Taliban dealt the death blow.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I don't know if Southpark is on any swedish

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    channels, but if so there's no way this episode will be shown there. Scary stuff.

  • April 25, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    by TheNorthlander

    South Park is shown in Sweden, but we're way behind.<br> They do have the show on southpark.se though, and that site is catching up fast.<br> Personally though, I watch all the new episodes on other websites right after they air in the US so I saw 201 the day after it aired and there would be no problem showing that in Sweden even without the censorship.<p> Or maybe you were talking about Denmark since that's where the drawings that started this whole thing was made and published?

  • April 25, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    South Park is IMPORTANT? Really? WTF??

    by m_prevette

    HOW is South Park IMPORTANT? Really? Come on, explain. I'm all ears. South Park has NEVER done anything other than obvious target, toilet humor. Ever. Fact. The writing is as shoddy as the animation, but at least the animation is SUPPOSED to suck. There's never anything resembling subtext or craft in the writing of South Park. EVER. And it is funny how die hard fans of this garbage condemn Family Guy... WTF ? I mean - just by saying South Park is... "important" ... the entire argument is invalid to begin with. So, remove head from ass, get some taste, and get back to me.

  • April 25, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Comedy central should have some more balls than this.

    by mojoman69

    I mean Sout Park has insulted any race, religeon, group,etc. with impunity. Why is this different? My guess is the is Scientologists or Catholics were to threat to blow up Comedy Central studio, those episodes might get censored too. Show some balls CC. Tell the Muslims to go fuck themselves too.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    South Park is important...

    by FlandersBum

    ...since it's the only show/comedian/media or news source that has had the balls to even approach this topic. Sarah Silverman get praise for calling the Pope a dick, but when it comes to pointing out the stupidity in the radical Muslim community she's as big a coward as the rest of em.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Christians have done the exact same thing

    by BumLove

    Do any of you remember a show called The Book of Daniel starring Aidan Quinn. It was a show where a pastor (Aidan Quinn) speaks to Jesus on a regular basis. It was a show that the religious Christian right and the AMA (American Family Association) were up in arms about, an rallied to get the show canceled and removed from TV. After pressuring affiliates, a few in the south removed the show, and when a local affiliated in Arkansas decided to pick it up and show it....they received death threats. As a result of this Christian pressure...the show was cancelled. <p> http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/The_Book_of_Daniel_%28TV_series%29 <p> So let's see how you all backtrack and claim this is somehow different. I know you can do it. Your hatred of Muslims demands it.

  • April 25, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Er muslims didnt invent Algebra but the Arabians

    by ominus

    long before this religion was created.So you have mixed this up a little buddy.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    BumLove

    by gotilk

    Hatred of Muslims? I see a LOT of criticism here, not much hate. But that seems to be the trend with all religions. Criticism=Hate! Your evaluation of all this is THE PROBLEM itself. And yes, this IS different because when death threats come from the Islamic community, it regularly comes straight from the TOP. Call me when the pope calls for the death of Sinead O'Connor and we'll talk. Nutbags are EVERYWHERE, but parts of Islam stand apart because of the way they have at times institutionalized certain types of censorship, death threats, etc. While the Christian right in the US would love TV, films, radio, the recording industry, publishing, etc to cater ONLY to the G-rated lovers of content and make the world clean of everything they find offensive (for the CHIIIIIILDREN!), so far they have come no-where near Islam in over-the-top, batshit insane death threats from the top. So much for the "exact same thing!!" claim.<br><br>Ominus: I know you're not responding to me directly, but I think that was kind of one of the points I was making. For instance, if they steal a technology or knowledge from say, the Persians, it doesn't count as a "discovery" of their own. Absorbed is more like it. <br><br>M_Prevette: Nebulous. Whether or not something is "important" is so all over the place. Anyone who hates it can feel free to call it unimportant. Why would they claim otherwise? Seems like a pretty goofy thing to say. It's clearly unimportant to YOU. Important to others. Therefore, in your mind.. since it's unimportant to you, it's UNIMPORTANT period. How's that way of looking at the world workin' out for ya? Lotsa friends?

  • April 25, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    gotlik

    by BumLove

    Here's something you said earlier which I was going to address, but didn't, but since you've repeated this assertion I'll do so: <p> "Did I get the sense that you thought "looney mountain people" destroyed those statues? It was Taliban leadership, from the top. Sure, maybe looney mountain people shot at them for hundreds of years, but without question the Taliban dealt the death blow." <p> See, you are equating Taliban leaders with Islamic leaders. You are equating extremist groups with Islam. Comparing these people to the Pope isn't apt...and btw, Sinead O'Connor did receive numerous death threats and had to cancel several shows because it after tearing up the picture of the Pope. <p> But keep making excuses for these Christian extremists. I would expect nothing less. As for the hate I spoke of...yes...there is hatred towards Muslims. You can see it in many of the bigoted comments made in this talkback. You simply choose not to see it. Continue to see what you want. <p> As for me being part of the problem...I'm sure people pointing out your hypocrisy is very problematic to you.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Consider this

    by severianx1

    http://moderndaytrojanhorse.com/

  • April 25, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    The Book of Daniel

    by Chief Joseph

    Was canceled because of low ratings. And because it sucked.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    -- = Mohammed's penis (actual size)

    by JacksParasites

    There's a great article discussing these episodes here: www.examiner.com/examiner/x-9090-NY-Atheism--Skepticism-Examiner~y2010m4d22-South-Park-creators-lives-threatened-over-depiction-of-Santa-Claus

  • April 25, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Shit, comedy network is showing Major Boobage at 5 PM

    by Tall_Boy66

    Even though the TV guide button says "201". I'm holding out hope that they'll show "201" at 9 PM, uncensored as they always do, but things look bleak. Maybe it's so controversial they're only airing it at 9 instead of "family time" at 5 PM on a Sunday. Maybe.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    anyway, I set the VCR for 9 PM

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yep. VCR. You read that right. I do have access to a PVR that can burn episodes to DVD, though. Assuming they actually show it at 9 PM.

  • April 25, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Let's not direct all the rage at the towelheads...

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ...while they're on a tear abbrogating freedom of speech in non-Muslim (can I still say "Muslim"? How about Chicken-Fuckers, then? Yeah, I think that describes them better anyway.) ... while the Chickens-Fuckers kill cartoonists, marry 5 year olds and brainwash their own kids to blow themselves up, the Catholic Church has been diddling altar boys for about 2000 years now. Apparently, it's a sacrament. Fuck all religions!

  • April 25, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Here's episode 201 if you can't find it

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    http://tvshack.net/tv/South_Park/season_14/episode_6/a:867893/ <p>There may be some spaces you have to remove. <The depiction of Mohammed MUST be made ok again. You don't have wear a t-shirt of him sucking his own cock, but everything must be done to depower these censorship-causing fucks. Ideally all media around the world, in solidarity to SP, would have a day where they showed a non-offensive picture of muhammed. You can't bomb us all!

  • April 25, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    thanks deadkatemoss

    by readyoufool

    that ending scene was hilarious. it does suck that so much of the episode was censored, but that end scene of the moon was about the funniest thing i've seen in a long time.

  • April 25, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    yah, ir aired at 9 but it's still being bleeped

    by Tall_Boy66

    Wow, that's lame. Apparently the word "Muhamned" is more offensive than the word "fuck", which comedy network in Canada never bleeps. Wow, totally lame. Way to stand up for your adverntising South Park UNcensored. Liars.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Canadian Comedy Network censored it too..

    by mikeysquirrel

    Seems like the terrorists won this one. Religion is stupid.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Ha, ha, you fail...now get the fuck out...

    by BurnHollywood

    http://tinyurl.com/29oc8av

  • April 25, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by mrschips

    Where have you been? They always censor fuck on the first airing at 7. Subsequent later showings (and all the repeats at like 1130) are uncensored. This is not new.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    "Muslims are running for that Asshole religion of the century"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Muslims are running for that Asshole religion of the century"<P> by Phategod2<P> Apr 24th, 2010<P> 12:50:41 AM<P> There neck and neck with Christians and Catholics.<P>Goodness.<P>Hey, Phategod2... I could be rawng, but the Christians haven't been assholes similar to the Muslims since the crusades.

  • April 25, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    It's the PROFILING, stupid

    by Immortal_Fish

    So many here pissed about what's going on.<P>So many here are liberals.<P>So many here have difficulty of profiling people at places like public transportation<P>So many here haven't drawn the obvious connection to the Tea Party Movement. I mean... it's RIGHT THERE. Just starting you in the face.<P>CAN'T YOU SEE?!<P>It's the TAE PARTY PEOPLE!!!one!!eleven!!!<P>THEY WILL BE HERE SOON!!!

  • April 26, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Ya'll know what it funny....

    by The Dum Guy

    Not only is the Super Best Friends (season 5 episode) not on South Park Studios (.com), on Netflix you can view the entire Season 5 of South Park... except SBF, which you have to get the disc sent to your' house to view.<br><br>Even a pay-for site is afraid to show it, although you can watch a docu that pretty much says all Muslims are extremist/crazy/ignorant (Islam: What the West Needs to Know).

  • April 26, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    ^...."is", not it.^

    by The Dum Guy

  • April 26, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    mrschips, I'm talking Canadian Comedy Network

    by Tall_Boy66

    They promote South Park as "Uncensored" and South Park only aired at 5 and 9 PM on Sunday, when they show new episodes. South Park isn't on at 11:30 on Comedy Network in Canada. It is usually uncensored, but they didn't do that this week. Time to write a strongly worded e-mail. that'll learn 'em good!

  • April 26, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66: Yeah, So am I

    by mrschips

    Yes they do show SP at 1130 on Comedy Network. Every damn night. We're probably (well, obviously) in different time zones, but for me, they do show it every weekday at 730 and 1130. And on Sunday at 7, when they air new episodes, they censor fuck. They even censored 'jacking off' on the Facebook episode. Subsequent airings (after 11) are uncensored. Except this week obviously.

  • April 27, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by BumLove

    ...with regards to the "Draw Muhammed" day idea, where everyone posts a picture of Muhammed on their facebook profile or whatever...I support such a notion, in theory. I don't think free speech should be suppressed, and such an exercise, in theory, would perhaps help forward how ridiculous the notion is that we can't depict a religious prophet. But here's where the problem lies: <p> Whenever people draw Muhammed, they don't simply draw him and leave it at that. They always feel compelled to throw in racist imagery that contributes to stereotypes or negative images of Muslims or even people who look like Muslims, like non-Muslim Indians. By drawing him with a bomb in his turban, it contributes to the terrorist stereotype, and then people have all these immature ideas that they think are hilarious of drawing Muhammed fucking a camel or some dumb shit like that. That's when it stops being an exercise in free speech, and just becomes a mass racism day...and it's not something positive in any shape or manner.

  • April 27, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    There's an official "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"

    by FeralAngel

    Seriously! Here's the link: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/

  • April 27, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Agreed BumLove

    by mrschips

    I'll be participating, but it's just going to be a run-of-the-mill guy. It shouldn't be 'let's be racist jackasses for fun' day, though obviously loads are going to see it as just that. Free speech isn't an excuse for open season racism.