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I am – Hercules!! Throw the Hume down the well So Smokezilla can be free Last week the flashsideways were Hurley-centric, except for that last flashsideways starring Desmond, Ben, John and Desmond’s luxury automobile. Does this signal that the centric episodes are done for the balance of the series? Why is FutureAaron stalking Smokezilla? And how does FutureWalt feel about this? ABC says of tonight’s installment, titled “The Last Recruit”:
Alliances are forged and broken as the Locke and Jack camps merge. Guest starring are Andrea Gabriel as Noor "Nadia" Abed Jaseem, Sheila Kelley as Zoe, Kimberley Joseph as Cindy, Dylan Minnette as David, Teresa Huang as surgeon, Skyler Stone as EMT #1, Todd Coolidge as EMT #2, Yvonne Midkiff as receptionist, Christopher Amitrano as Burditt, Kasim Saul as guard, Steve Boatright as Mike, Mickey Graue as Zack and Kiersten Havelock as Emma. Written by Paul Zbyszewski & Graham Roland and directed by Steve Semel.
After tonight, five hours left: 6.14 The Candidate 6.15 Across The Sea 6.16 What They Died For 6.17 The End 6.18 The End “Across The Sea.” That’s a big one. 9 p.m. Tuesday. ABC.
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  • April 20, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST

    First?

    by maxwello

    Benefit of insomnia

  • April 20, 2010, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Across The Sea

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    is a good song by Weezer, back when they were good.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    "With all respect to thepeople of Hawaii...

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I can't wait to leave." - Matthew Fox, May Playboy interview.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:46 a.m. CST

    When does this shit die?

    by BiggusDickus

    How much fucking longer?

  • April 20, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Woohoo Lost day, Lost no hi

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    not a lot left to go, and correct me if I am wrong there is a week break between this and next.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Across the Sea

    by TheFug

    I know the song is "Beyond the Sea" but I can't help but think that the title "Across the Sea" is a bit of a play on the name of that song that Shannon was singing in the first season. Can't really remember why that song came into play - it's been five years since I've seen that noise - maybe some of you DVDers can help me out on that one.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    for Clementine Phillips

    by VikkiMarsdale

    In a cavern, in a canyon, Excavating for a mine Dwelt a miner forty niner, And his daughter Clementine<p>Oh my darling, oh my darling, Oh my darling, Clementine! Thou art lost and gone forever Dreadful sorry, Clementine<p>Light she was and like a fairy, And her shoes were number nine, Herring boxes, without topses, Sandals were for Clementine.<p>Oh my darling, oh my darling, Oh my darling, Clementine! Thou art lost and gone forever Dreadful sorry, Clementine<p>Drove she ducklings to the water Ev'ry morning just at nine, Hit her foot against a splinter, Fell into the foaming brine.<p>Ruby lips above the water, Blowing bubbles, soft and fine, But, alas, I was no swimmer, So I lost my Clementine.<p>How I missed her! How I missed her, How I missed my Clementine, But I kissed her little sister, I forgot my Clementine.<p>In a churchyard on a hillside Where the flowers grow and twine There grow roses amongst the posies Flowers for my Clementine<p>Then the miner forty-niner He began to weep and pine For his darling little daughter Now he's with his Clementine<p>In a churchyard on a hillside Where the flowers grow and twine There grow roses amongst the posies On the grave of Clementine<p>In my dreams she still doth haunt me, Robed in garments soaked in brine. Though in life I used to hug her, Now she's dead, I'll draw the line.<p>Oh my darling, oh my darling, Oh my darling, Clementine! Thou art lost and gone forever Dreadful sorry, Clementine<br />

  • April 20, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Nothing New Next Week

    by TheFug

    You are not wrong Miyamoto - there is no new lost next week. I guess it is so they can pack more episodes into May sweeps or some shit.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Across the sea? Lord of the Rings theme.

    by RPLocke

  • April 20, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Third Sneak Peek is a HUGE spoiler...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    God dammit, Herc... You really should post a warning about how spoilery that clip is...

  • April 20, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    LOL Jack takes a shower.

    by RPLocke

  • April 20, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Cynthia "Libby" Watros guesting on House, MD arc.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Actress Cynthia Watros (Dee on The Guiding Light, Erin on Titus, Kellie on The Drew Carey Show and Libby Smith on Lost) is playing Dr. James Wilson's ex-wife Samantha Carr on the current arc of episodes on the Fox medical dramedy "House, MD".<br /> I'm on record as saying I like my Lost girls dirty (Zoe), crazy (Libby) or filthy dirty and psycho-bitch-like (Claire) but I have to admit that Ms. Watros, cleaned up and all dressed up for a date, actually looks pretty fine.<br /> Don't expect it to be a long lasting recurring role: House is pretty good at breaking up people's relationships if they seem happier than he is, (which is pretty much everybody). Especially where it applies to his bromance partner and roommate Wilson.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Cindy, Zoe and Nadia = hot episode.

    by VikkiMarsdale

  • April 20, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Herc, you bastard

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    You updated the post to include a link to the song. Good shit. =)

  • April 20, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    SMOKEZILLA IS JACK BAUER

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    THAT's why they haven't revealed his name. That's how he can kill so many people in so short a time. You see CTU couldn't contain him so they sent back in time to the island and Jacob had to guard him.<p>If Bauer gets out - we all die.<p>My theory gets proved right in a few episodes.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST

    This better be awesome

    by onezeroone

    considering there is no LOST next week, this one gotta have enough to keep talkbacks busy for two weeks.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Eloise with MiB?

    by onezeroone

    The first sneak peek suggests it was MiB's plan to get John Locke's dead body back on island so he could take it over and exploit the loophole [whatever that is]. <p> In Season5 it was Eloise who pulled all the strings. Now, why would Eloise do that? To have her son back, the very son she killed, not unlike the deal Sayid made. Still doesn't explain her "timekeeper" status, but could be she's MiB's candidate?

  • April 20, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Isn't Jack's Father's dead body missing?

    by RPLocke

    Maybe that's how MIB gets back to the mainland?

  • April 20, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I hope there's aliens in the finale

    by 3D-Man

    Me likey aliens

  • April 20, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    It does seem like there's some memory leakage between

    by V'Shael

    Sun on the island, and Sun on Earth-X. Which might explain why Sun on the island lost the ability to speak English.<br /><br />So fucking confusing right now... I think they are going to have release a book called "LOST - The Explanation" after the show is over.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    isn't this the official encyclopedia?

    by prbt

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Encyclopedia-Tara-Bennett/dp/0756665949 <p> I think Darlton mentioned it in a podcast.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:44 a.m. CST

    The biggest question is

    by theGoldbergV

    will the extras known as Kate, Sun, Claire, Miles and Lapidus get anything to do this week, or will they be blown up when the writers realise they have no purpose? <P><P>Not trollin'. But man that last episode was filled with warning signs. People doing things for no real reason, a shoe-horned in explanation of a long running mystery and now we can add ALT-Desmond to the list of characters who we have no idea what motivates them (NonLocke, Sayid, Claire, Widmore, MagneticDesmond, Eliose). Lets hope its not indicative of the final few episodes... <P><P>Anty ideas on what Hurley found in that little bag last week. At the time I thought it was Miles' diamonds, now I think it was Jacob's ashes

  • April 20, 2010, 4 a.m. CST

    LOL Dallas

    by v1cious

    who else will laugh if Lost has an ending like that?

  • April 20, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Hurley's bag?

    by V'Shael

    What? Did I miss something? What bag is this?

  • April 20, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    SMOKIE NOT SEEN THIS WEEK!

    by champvinyl

    ... Busy terrorizing europe. <P> NOES!

  • April 20, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Vikki...

    by champvinyl

    Loved seeing her on house, esp since shes done on lost now more than ever.. <P> And I'm not so sure about house breaking them up... I think this might be a turning point, maybe she grows on him by actually being a formidable opponent. <P> If i had money on it I'd bet on Cutty sabotaging the whole thing... esp after that talk in her office. <P> Anywayyyysss... back to LOST and whatnot.. <P> WEHAVETOGOBACK!!!! ...

  • April 20, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    They're in the space between spaces...

    by spud mcspud

    ...Indy will get them off that island, no damn doubt about it.<P> And then Darlton tears his own face off, amd beneath it, cackling like a lunatic.... GEORGE FUCKING LUCAS!!<P> Dun... LOST...

  • April 20, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Anybody *Arzt* this week?

    by NippleEffect

    Hi, I'm going to make a statment and then blow up for dramatic effect

  • April 20, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    I was moderately disappointed by last week's episode.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Nothing was that shocking to me, and the blunt dialogue was awful.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    The Last (Man) Recruit versus Übermensch and... WAR!

    by MacFaux

    Yevgeny Bazarov's cosmic despair and unrequited love and rejection of the old order...hmmpf.<br /><br />Well, I just hope there is finally artillery. FO'd FPF, and somethin' 'splodes! zzzzzrrRRR! POOM! <br /><br />Black shirts, Red Shirts and Blue Shirts and the whole LOST thing re-constructed as Mad King George thinkin about what went down at the Battle of Corunna. If you have the time to kill, look it up.. you will find, one side fighting to escape led by a John, one side fighting to search and destroy led by a Marshal. <br /><br />Terrain features that include Castillo San Deigo (Jacob's Fortress), Tower of Hercules (Lighthouse), Rosa de los Vientos (Donkey Wheel), a smaller Island and an Old City hiding ships in a cove.. <br /><br />Yeah, I am serious. Well, look it up..<br /><br />"NOT a drum was heard, not a funeral note, <br />As his course to the rampart we hurried;<br />Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot<br />O'er the grave where our hero we buried." <br /><br /><br />And...anyone a little weirded out that Smokey has escaped the Ice-land and seems intent on eating Europe? No? nothin? ok.<br /><br />LOST day!

  • April 20, 2010, 4:54 a.m. CST

    iamnick...

    by champvinyl

    if you weren't surprised by illana turning into firey gibs, KABOOM! <P> ... not sure what *would* surprise you, stop watching the show and spend more time beating off to nonsensical european art-house shit, or whatever garbage you find "surprising"

  • April 20, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    And i just got out punchlined by champvinyl... dammit!

    by MacFaux

    That will teach me to stop and watch Hockey highlights on SportsCenter. <br /><br />Fair play to Champ.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by theGoldbergV

    Just after Ilana goes kaboom, you see Hurley going through someone's stuff, he finds a little pull-string bag, looks inside, then pockets it whilst doing his shifty eyes thing. I'm thinking its Ilana's stuff, so its probably Jacob's ashes...don't know though <P><P>Is this episode anyone centric, or is it a kind of ALT-centric episode?

  • April 20, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    And any UEFA foot ball type fanatics out there and all?

    by MacFaux

    Was sitting thinkin bout the title 'The Last Recruit' and the various tangential relationships to the thing ..besides and beyond the obvious of the thing. Last ... Recruit ... larger themes and fun things of this nature. BK Vaugh and Guerra and Y and Mary Shelly and..<br /><br />Isn't there in European Football, ain't there a thing "Last Man" or "Last Man Penalty"? I'm not finding it easy with this new fangled thing called a Search engine ..coupled with woeful ignorance of the most played game in the world.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:21 a.m. CST

    MacFaux

    by theGoldbergV

    In proper football, ie not American throwy-runny ball, FOOTball, if the 'last man' between the attacking player and the goalkeeper commits a foul then the player is automatically sent off (most of the time anyway). Also we have an offside rule, which states that no player can be between the last man and the goalkeeper when the ball is played to him. Never heard of 'last man penalty' as a term though

  • April 20, 2010, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Hurley's bag

    by onezeroone

    I always thought it was Jacob's ashes.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST

    ^was full of

    by onezeroone

    EDIT

  • April 20, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Does Sun and Jin

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    get to hook up anytime soon? <p> they should have had her swearing in Korean when she arrived at Smokie's camp and didn't see Jin.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:43 a.m. CST

    UEFA football type fanatics

    by freekydeeky

    Yes, I like FOOTball all most as much as I like Lost.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Season 6 Lost = Seinfeld series finale

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Same idea of trying to bring back everyone, a big nostalgia tour. Same problem of people just wanting it to be good and don't care about seeing every old face as much as the producers thought we would. And that friends is why it isn't all we hoped it would be.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    @theGoldbergV .yep. that's it. Gracias, amigo. As for Centric..

    by MacFaux

    this is the one that has the strange name or word attached:<br /><br />**oundelay.. There is some speculation that is 'Roundelay'. <br /><br />I just got myself.. um .I just got the new issue of Wired that has Gates and Zuck' on the cover, has an interesting article on LOST. Pg 88-89 has two page of Darlton with their big whiteboard and timeline.. the photo is blurred over the last four epi's but 6.13 says *oundelay. I think.<br /><br />And then there are the 'List' of names and the 'Numbers'<br /><br />(33'2 42)<br />(3523626366)<br /><br />Not spoilers just more ..confusion.. to be had. I think. I think they are X-files episodes:<br /><br />4X02 Home <br />3X05 The List <br />2X03 Blood <br />6ABX02 Drive<br />6ABX03 Triangle<br />6ABX06 Terms Of Endearment <br /><br />and there is a secret code present at 33'2, 33 minutes 20 seconds. Or the same thing for LOST episodes<br /><br />4.2 Confirmed Dead<br />3.5 The Cost of Living<br />2.3 Orientation<br />6.2 LA X<br />6.3 What Kate Does<br />6.6 SunDown<br /><br />'cept at minute 33 and 20 ticks of 4.2 all you see is Frank's flair gun.. so...<br /><br />I keed. I keed. I Love this show.<br /><br />and lol. throwy. runny football.. lol. Did you know some PhD actually calculated that the average NFL football player over the course of an average career is inflicting the same damage on their body as if they had run full speed into a garage door from 12 ft... 10,000 times. So that says somethin bout the tough required .aannnnd also something about the smart required.<br /><br />I am going to the Gym.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST

    lol mac..

    by champvinyl

    I'd feel better about myself if i hadn't ripped off every late night show that was on tonight... just wanted to get in firsties! haha <P> btw how many paragraphs of crazy lost-isms and insane songs we got this week? :P

  • April 20, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    @champ 4 8 15 16.... you see where this is going ..

    by MacFaux

  • April 20, 2010, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah those were foilers

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    But they were very well done, they put a handful of real info up there with the crazy crap.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:16 a.m. CST

    champvinyl, ok to be fair, yes the act of blowing her up was sur

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    but like other reviewers have said, what was the point of having her around for so long to just kill her off like that? So that she could tell them they were candidates? That they were important? Jacob could have told that to Hurley, and if they didn't want Jacob to do it, someone else could have, like Richard. <p> Basically what I'm trying to say is that even if there was a surprising thing, it didn't have that much weight to it. </p> <p> And if anyone was really surprised by Flocke throwing Desmond down the well, I'm a monkey's uncle. </p>

  • April 20, 2010, 6:16 a.m. CST

    *surprising...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

  • April 20, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    The point of Ilana was explained in Wired

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Darlton say that when a kid asks why about something you answer and then they ask why about your answer and it goes on and on until you have to say "oh look a Chuck E Cheese". Ilana was a Chuck E Cheese for them to distract us with so we'd shut up. I'm still looking forward to tonight, all hopeful and shit. I'm such a fool for this show.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Are they giving themselves enough time to really give

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    weight to the ending of one of the greatest television shows of all time? That's all that I'm worried about. After the Desmond ep, I was hoping they would really get it in gear for the final eps, but my fears have been realized, as last week didn't really even establish what the main protagonists' goals are. <p> Jack: cute that he is going with the flow now, but we only have 5 eps left to define that for the character? </p> <p> Sawyer: he's laid the ground work for the betrayal, but where has that gone? </p> <p> Kate: What's her point again? </p> <p> I mean, I could go on, but these are really the things that should be addressed more consistently considering how much time is left. </p>

  • April 20, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST

    It's Not "FutureAaron"

    by Crow3711

    I'm just saying, can't wait until that shit isn't right at all.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    How are they expecting to fly that plane?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    When a branch went through the windshield? And if they want to disable it further, not that they need to, just pick up a rock and smash the instrument panel. You don't need 150 year old dynamite.<p> I sound like a troll, but I'm just grumpy!

  • April 20, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    iamnick... basically endgame starts now..

    by champvinyl

    multi-centric ep... <P> Next week is jacob/mib in across the sea... <P> Then what basically equates to a 3ep finale. I wouldn't worry about it too much. :P

  • April 20, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Def not "future aaron"...

    by champvinyl

    as far as LOST goes Herc doesn't know his ass from an EMP-well in the ground.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    See ThrowMeTheIdol! Exactly what I'm talking about!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Red Herrings and illogical ideas permeating the last season.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    throwmetheidol/a.molina...

    by champvinyl

    the whole "we're going to fly the plane off the island" thing is a red herring for idiots... obviously the series doesn't end with them taking off on aijira. <P> the issue is that some chars think its possible... (richard,ben,etc)... what lengths will they go to?

  • April 20, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST

    No one is leaving the Island.

    by TheManWhoCan

    Are they!?!

  • April 20, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Shannons legs next week?

    by TheManWhoCan

    or the week after?

  • April 20, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST

    I agree the issue is that some chars think it's possible

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    The issue is that makes the characters seem like ocmplete idiots. Lapidus is right there next to Ben and Richard, and he saw the plane have a branch go through it. He knows in general the bad state its in and there could be other broken things.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    im pretty sure...

    by champvinyl

    Lapidus' brain has gone on vacation... he knows almost none of these people, esp ben and richard, if I was him... I'd just let them run off and do whatever they wanted. fuck em.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Ajira Plane

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Frank said last season he thought he could probably get the Ajira in flying condition after they had left the Hydra Island to go to the main Island.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I sit on my ass, corrected.

    by champvinyl

    .. not sure how he'd do it, but goooooo frank!

  • April 20, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Kooler

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Okay, that helps. I don't recall that scene but I'll take your word for it. I'm not sure how he intends to do it though. Maybe really good duct tape. :)

  • April 20, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Some of tonight's bit players

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Yvonne Midkiff, who plays the Receptionist on this episode, is the Regional Collegiate Communications Editor for Honolulu. She's 27. Ten years ago she was the captain of her high school football and basketball teams. Five years ago she slipped on a wet rock n Oahu and broke her neck and was paralyzed. She had to undergo major surgery and extensive rehab just to relearn how to walk. Now she's doing modeling for Cookie's Clothing, make-up and hair artist Toni P Farley and glamor photographer John Akina. She has no IMDb page - this appears to be her acting debut.<br /> <br /> Teresa Huang, a surgeon on tonight's Lost, is an attractive petite Asian actress with 16 TV credits on IMDb including a stint as Kimmie on the Riches. <br /> <br /> Stand up comic Skyler Stone. EMT #1 on tonight's Lost, has over 30 film and TV credits at IMDb and a Google image search (with safe search disabled) reveals that he's a guy who has the same name as a porno actress.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Flight 815 was about 1000 miles off course.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I don't know how the Ajira plane is set for fuel, but... seems like the nose is poking into the jungle, making it hard to turn around. The wheels seemed half buried in sand, but if the plane is on the runway that could just be drifting sand blown onto them. And I recall some major equipment lying strewn on the tarmac, but that could be non-essential to flight and navigation, what do I know. Based on discussions here I was under the impression that Jack and others who hadn't seen the plane believed it would fly. If Frank says he thinks he can get it airborne, well, maybe he can. Nobody's sailing away on the black Rock, that's for sure.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Spoilers/Speculation??? Across the Sea

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    1) Interviews have stated that one episode this year takes place in a setting that has never been seen before on TV. <p> 2)While reading an article about the show Modern Family, which was filming in Hawaii, the producer was joking that they were going to mimic LOST and have different family members time traveling into the past and future. Then he said "we're also doing an entire episode under water..." <p> Was he also refering to copying LOST when he said this??? <p> 3) The episode is called "Across the Sea" <p> 4)In the flashsideways the island is underwater... <p> Interesting. Not sure how they would pull this off but leave it to LOST to try. <p> Any thoughts?

  • April 20, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    The purpose of Ilana.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Zuleikha Robinson is a 32 year old British actress of Burmese, Indian, Iranian, Scottish and English lineage. Her name Zuleikah is Persian for "Beautiful One". IMDb lists her eleven acting credits since 2000, including stints as a regular on Lone gunmen, Rome, New Amsterdam and 22 appearances as Ilana on Lost. A Google image search (safe search off) will include nude scenes she did for the TV series Rome. Yeah, they're nice. <br /> <br /> According to Lostpedia: "Ilana went inside the foot of the statue, crying and mourning the death of Jacob and her team. ... Ben lied to her, saying that "Locke" had killed Jacob before kicking his body into the fire. Ilana gathered Jacob's ashes and exited the statue with Ben." [from LA X]<br /> "Just after the dynamite blew up and killed her, Hurley began looking through her things, finding a Russian-language copy of Dostoyevsky's Notes from Underground - and a draw-string pouch, which he then took." [from Everybody Loves Hugo]<br /> don;t want to jump to conclusions, but I'm of the opinion the pouch contained (some of) Jacob's ashes. <br /> <br /> As for the oft asked question of what was the use of Ilana (Other than to bring Sayid back to the island while posing as a bounty hunter and then serving to provide information about Jacob and The Candidates), well... <br /> I don't know, maybe this is just me, but I'm thinking that if I was working in Hawaii for six years and making shitloads of money off a hit show, I just might go ahead and hire a bunch of beautiful sexy unmarried actresses to work with. Not that anything like that ever goes on in show business, I'm sure.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Across The Sea

    by syn_flood

    Will be set in the year 23AD and we will get to see the frozen donkey wheel being constructed.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    The problem with that theory

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is that Damon and Carlton don't live in Hawaii, they do their work in LA. But yeah that occurred to me too. <p>What I think happened is this: she tried out for the role of Ana Lucia but they cast the other actress instead, who the audience ended up hating. They regretted it and tried to conjure up a way to get the actress they wish they'd cast onto the show somehow. The weird thing is on screen she doesn't come across as even 10% as sexy as in interviews. She looked fat and slobby on Lost.<p> There's no question the pouch contained Jacob's ashes, it's not a grey area guess thing. They made it sure we knew.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    23 AD ? So does Yeshua bar Yosef (aka Jesus) feature?

    by V'Shael

    Because that would be funny. Jesus as smoke monster. I love it.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Across the Sea

    by LegendaryPinkDot

    Just means "Sea of Time", not a literal ocean

  • April 20, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    pinkdot...

    by champvinyl

    thx yous captain obvious! <P> *Salutes*

  • April 20, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    orrr....

    by champvinyl

    like in every other season they need extra chars to move things forward who are essentially redshirts.. <P> KaBoom!?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    *in the voice of Ogre*

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    NEEEERRRRDDDDDSSSS!!!!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    MIB and Elosie in cahoots?

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    Yeah I think that is a real possibility. She did it to save her son and her marriage. It makes a lot of sense if you think the Sideways world is what happens when MIB escapes the island.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Ilana's been on 22 episodes?

    by Bouncy X

    time does fly but i was sure she only came on at the end of last season?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Do the Sleestaks show up yet? Or is that for May sweeps?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • April 20, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST

    If there is a "S" in your name

    by LegendaryPinkDot

    You will die... Desmond Sawyer Smokey Lapidus Miles Sun Charles Widmore

  • April 20, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    oh

    by LegendaryPinkDot

    Forgot Sayid

  • April 20, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    "setting never seen before on tv"

    by onezeroone

    Should rule out underwater as that particular setting. Have we been to earth's core on TV? What about Fantastic Voyage? OR setting could be a time when all continents were one giant land mass.<p> I like these kinda spoilers, don't really ruin anything yet give fodder for chatter.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Looking at that clip above..

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    IS there any chance that MIB is Locke in the sideways world? That would also make sense in some way, but prob piss off all Locke fans.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Did Everyone Know Next Week Is A Repeat?

    by Crow3711

    Because I didn't, and I'm glad I found out now instead of next Tuesday, when it would have been a major blow to the gonads. At least now I can prepare myself for a week off. I think they are doing it because when they decided to put the Series Finale on a Sunday, they had to decide which Tuesday to skip, and its much better to skip one now, than skip the Tuesday directly before the Sunday Finale. This way there is only 5 days between finale episode and series finale, instead of like 12 days, which is nice. Still sucks major balls they are showing a repeat next week though...what a bummer. Just wanted to make sure everyone here was aware of it so you can be disappointed now instead of next week. In the end it'll be worth it, but for this week...it's going to suck. I imagine they also chose this week because tonight will end the "second mini-arc" of season 6, and when we return we'll be in the final 4 episode arc leading to the big finale. Very exciting times. <br /><br />Anyway, enjoy tonights episode, and hold on to it dearly, because 14 days til the next episode. Cheers. <br /><br />If you were already aware of this gap...forgive me. I wasn't. Just wanted to share the knowledge.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    And I Desperately Want Jesus Factored In Somehow

    by Crow3711

    I would laugh so hard if they explained Jesus as a man who came from the Island, and brought some powers to the real world with him. That would be fucking epic and ballsy beyond belief. I personally don't think ABC would let them to do it...but it would be hilariously awesome. Jesus left the Island not on a sub, or a chopper, or even a boat. He just started walking...and he never stopped. Ha!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I am sad to say

    by david19

    That my excitement for Lost has cooled quite a bit. I really want to get pumped again, but Im tired of red herrings. Can we please get this ball rolling tonight?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Come on people.

    by HoboCode

    Every season Darlton has kept us guessing until the very end. Why should this season be any different? Just have some patience because you know this finale is going to own all of our asses. The previous five all have. This one will too.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Ilana

    by HoboCode

    For those wondering what the purpose of Ilana was, I can tell you with great confidence that we have not seen the last of her. I'm unspoiled. I just know how this show operates after 5 2/3 seasons.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    After seeing the 2nd clip, I think Kirtrik was right last week

    by D.Vader

    When he suggested that Alt-Locke might actually be MiB having escaped the Island! <p> Does it make sense? No, bc where did the real Alt-Locke go, but Alt-Sun sure is acting like John Locke is the ultimate evil!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Nice Of You To Insult Everyone On Something You Don't Know Evang

    by Crow3711

    You probably are right, but telling everyone to "smarten the fuck up" on something you think you know is a little...juvenile no?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    evangelion80

    by HoboCode

    It's been the same kid the whole time. He's just been aging, dipshit.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    God I wish they put the weekly promos on the DVD

    by D.Vader

    Bc the promo for this week was nothing short of brilliant.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Rumored to be AS BAD AS a Kate Episode

    by Squashua

    This is supposedly the last BAD episode.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Squashua

    by HoboCode

    The Desmond episode was rated low beforehand too and it ruled.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    The Desmond episode was rumored

    by daveyf

    To not be so good and it turned out AWESOME.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Squashua

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    Those ratings had Happily Ever After ranked low and it was my favorite of the season. I don't expect this one to be as good as that but it should be solid judging from the previews.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    lol

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    guess we all needed to let Squasha know the deal!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    I thought the Desmond ep was rumored to be OK

    by Squashua

    This one has pretty much the closest lowest pre-ratings to the much-hated Kate episode, but next week is supposed to be GREAT. Essentially, we are in the middle of a shit sandwich, with delicious Hurley Bread from last week and next week's tasty bun bottom.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    It's not like I'm not going to watch this episode...

    by Squashua

    ... but I'm going in with very low expectations. That way, I'll come out ahead if it's even mildly good.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Champ...

    by cekma

    next week no episode. following week is jack centric. then the mib/jacob episode.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Laughs at all those whining about Ilana.

    by D.Vader

  • April 20, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    SMOKEZILLA wouldn't stand a chance against SPARTACUS!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    CHAMPION OF CAPUA...<P>...SLAYER OF THEOCLES...<P>...BRINGER OF RAIN!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Sorry...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...just getting my digs in early. Heh.

  • April 20, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    Season six is shit

    by twogunjames

    Everybody is just phoning it in. The story is all over the place. You get the feeling that everybody is thinking "We spent the last six years making this show so the smoke monster could be the lead character in the end?" HUH?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Can we borrow a page out of Fringe's book?

    by MachThree

    ....and refer to sideways Walt as "Walternate"?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Willy Wonka...

    by MachThree

    Didn't the kids in the movie get to tour the factory because they won a contest where they basically found a golden ticket inside a chocolate bar wrapper? Golden Ticket = Jack's Golden Pass on Oceanic???

  • April 20, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    WHERE THE FUCK IS VINCENT?!?!

    by Royston Lodge

    'nuff said.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by david19

    Jupiters Cock!. Yeeeeeeah that fuckin show screwed up TV for me. Was just too damn satisfying, now everything else seems like bologna after eating steak.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Final Scene Leaked

    by Itchy

    Pretty sure this is legit. Jack is left standing as the only candidate. MIB is after him with possessed Sayid and crazy Claire. They corner Jack in an old Dharma barracks, and Jack hides in the crapper. Just as MIB enters to kill him, Walt comes blasting through the wall riding a polar bear and throws one of Locke's old hunting knives through MIB, killing him, while Walt screams "Yippe Kay-yay motherfucker !" . Jack and the universe are saved. The door to a neighboring stall opens and out walks Paolo reading a comic book and he asks, can anyone spare a square ?. Laugh track ensues, fade to black, series over.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    So episode 15...

    by LUZER

    ...based on the Weezer song, will be Sun centric...Rivers likes the Asian cuties.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    david19

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I hear ya. It's hard to go from a full-throttle show that succeeds each week to something that seems (dare I say it) relatively ponderous.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Vincent was with Rose and Bernard in 1954

    by V'Shael

    They lived their own lives, away from everyone else. And eventually died in the caves. They are the "Adam and Eve".<br /><br />Vincents bones were never found, but Rose and Bernard probably buried him. If it had been Sun and Jin, he might have been barbecued.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by MachThree

    So when Jin brought home that cute puppy for Sun, that was supposed to be their dinner that night?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Chick in the shower

    by Lingerdog

    My money is on Ana Lucia.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Vincent's bones were found by Claire

    by D.Vader

    Who then took the Skull to make an Aaron-doll-baby.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Take a Shit Guy appears tonight

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    He is in the hospital bathroom doing his business. Should be epic!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    @MachThree - No, you can't barbecue in an apartment.

    by V'Shael

    What a silly idea.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Tribes have merged?

    by ME_M

    "Smokezilla, hand me your torch... The tribe has spoken."

  • April 20, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Road rage Desmond

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    Who will he run over tonight? My money is on Bernard or Vincent. Desmond doesn't fuck around!

  • April 20, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Road Rage Desmond- the new LOST spinoff...

    by D.Vader

    After the cop drama with Sawyer and Miles as partners and the Odd Couple sitcom with Locke and Ben (add a dash of Hurley to both shows). Now we get Road Rage Desmond, the Scotsman who avenges victims of crimes with the help of his talking car.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Ave Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Left_Hand_Path

    "A gladiator does not fear death. He embraces it, caresses it, fucks it." Doctore<br /><br />The Season finale was brilliant. Crixus got on board and "the gods spread ass cheek and inserted cock" into the House of Batiatus. I love this show. Sucks Season Two is delayed due to Andy Whitfield's health issues.<br /><br />Atque in perpetuum, frater, ave atque vale.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I really think this is just a game to Jacob and MIB

    by Dhaemon

    Both are powerful individuals who can alter space and time. Who ever wins, we lose. <br> Maybe they are Aliens doing a test about Humanity. Putting people in situations to see how they react. <Br>

  • April 20, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Well I liked What Kate Does.

    by HoboCode

    so if this episdoe is supposed to be as "bad" as that one I'll be fine. Now if its as truly god awful and as embarassingly stupid as Recon, then we may have a problem.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Left_Hand_Path

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Agreed. And I'm going to make a concerted effort to ensure that awesome line by Batiatus:<P>"Once again the gods spread the cheeks to ram cock in fucking ass!!!"<P>...goes viral!

  • April 20, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Uh, the "girl in shower"...

    by Son of a Butch

    ...is Kate. That clip is from season 4.

  • April 20, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    HAPPY 420 EVERYDAY !

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...this is probably the greatest 420 ever cuz its also lostday... so like the reviewer i dislike says "smoke em if ya got em"... happy 420/lostday everyone!... except for you jay... bitch...

  • April 20, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Girl in the shower...

    by Dhaemon

    Romeo is going to be soooooo upset :)

  • April 20, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Smokey escaped

    by Pizza The Hut

    and now jets are grounded all over Europe. It truly is the end of the world... :(

  • April 20, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    The Last Recruit...

    by PJ

    ...will be Eloise Hawking. She's sinister....She seemingly knows everything in both realities....she's a Time-Sheriff....She 'owns' Widmore (who will turn out to be a 2nd rate bad guy by the time the show's over). And...she shot her own son. She will do anything, include make a deal with MIB, to potentially undo that. Watch for her to show up at the Locke's hospital bedside and perform some ritual to pull smokey from Island-reality to Sideways-reality (if he's not already there).

  • April 20, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Lost Spinoffs

    by KoolerThanJesus

    I wanted a show that was Sayid acting as an assassin with Ben sending him out on different missions each seek. Sort of like the season 4 episode with Ben as the big reveal at the end. Wait... Did they ever explained how Ben gained enough medical skill to take out a bullet and act as a veternarian? A Sawyer and Jack modern version of My Two Dads with Aaron as the retarded kid and no one is quite sure who is the father is would be great.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Left_Hand_Path

    Thank you, kind sir, for correcting that noble phrase. Lets hope it becomes an international catch phrase, or at least the confession of deussexuals everywhere.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Eloise as a major baddie makes more and more sense

    by Gordon Bombay

    She was the one who told everyone they had to go back to the island (to get all the candidates there to leave with Flocke), she was the one who said Locke's body had to go back (so the whole loophole killing of Jacob could happen), she was the one who didn't want alt-Desmond to remember his island life (so he wouldn't try to enlighten everyone else to the truth)... Plus she seems to know more about whats going on than anyone not named Jacob or MIB.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    HUGE CONTINUITY ERROR BASED OFF SNEAK PEEK #2

    by cekma

    I hate to be ntpick but this is a BIG continuity error. I tried to not believe it was but it is. Sun was shot like a day or 2 after 815 safely landed. Locke was ran over like a week later. We know this because Desmond asks Hurley before he runs over Locke about them being on the same flight about a week ago. So how the hell are they both ending up in the hospital at the same time!

  • April 20, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Eloise.

    by HoboCode

    I don't know. She helped the 815ers to detonate the bomb, and she was obviously distraught when she found out she would have to send Daniel to his death. If she is bad it will probably be in a "the ends justify the means" kind of way.

  • ???

  • April 20, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Jmoe I honestly don't

    by cekma

    and I love this show more then anything else in film/tv. So in my mind I am telling myself that the two of them got it on for a few days. It seems highly unlikely though. It plays off like Keamy showed up at her hotel the day after the flight. Since he was paid to kill Jin he wouldn't wait around. I know what your saying and you kinda have to go with it but it's a bit of a stretch even for lost.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Cekma...

    by MachThree

    I think you're right - Sayid gets off the flight, goes straight to bro and Nadia's place, then, what, the next day he's off to clear up the debt with Keamy, and finds Jin in the freezer. The only thing I can think of a) poorly written line that got through their proofreading or b) they showed us stuff out of order - i.e. Des runs over Locke and then mulls around a few days before going to Mr. Cluck's and running into Hurley.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The writers are getting lazy

    by serenely_wired

    Last week when they revealed what the whispers were, it seemed like exposition of the worst kind. IT was like Hurley was taking directly to the audience in a Q&A. I remember when Lost was a lot more subtle.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    trapping smokie - isn't it "easy"?!?...

    by noone55555

    Has anyone else wondered why someone doesn't try putting a circle of the anti-smokie stuff (ash?) around smokie to trap him? It seems to make a pretty effective barrier against him. Trap him, leave the island and him behind, end of story...

  • April 20, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Cekma (again)

    by MachThree

    Actually, thinking about it some more, the whole timing in the alt world seems off. Locke gets back, goes into work the next day, gets fired. At least another day passes as he looks for a job. Somehow he ends up as a substitute teacher and one has to think he just didn't get hired the very next day. At least a little time must have passed? Same for Hurley - gets off the plane, goes to the banquet that very night(?), gets set up on the lunch date the next day. Then he goes to SMRI and says to the doctor "Want to ask you about that girl the other day. Libby?" The other day - so at least a few days passed. then we next see them on their date - its obvious they didn't leave SRMI right then and there so at least another day must have passed.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    noone55555

    by MachThree

    - that seems to be the very purpose of the island. Only leaving doesn't seem so easy for anyone. Also, if you believe that was smokey and not Jacob in the cabin, then someone has already tried that.

  • April 20, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Ash circle is temp at best

    by Lamerz

    What happens when Vincent shows up, takes a dump near the circle of ash, then covers up his shit with the ash. Or what about when it rains and washes the ash away. And how much special ash is there, really?

  • April 20, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Alt timeline

    by PJ

    I think it's safe to say that Sun and Locke are rushed into the ER about a week or so after 815 arrived at LA X. I guess it's possible that it took Keamy a while to find them (after all...Jin was supposed to meet at the restaurant...Keamy didn't necessarily know where they were staying), but I agree....it's a little lame at best. I get the feeling that it's something we'll have to live with though.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    re: trapping smokie - isn't it "easy"?!?...

    by noone55555

    I agree that the island is, as far as we know so far, a big metaphorical ash circle around smokie. I also agree the ash line in the sand is temp, at best. That said, smokie seems to need all the "candidates" in hand before he can leave. My theory is he wants to kill them all to ensure there's no Jacob replacement to thwart his plan. If it were me against that, I'd be thinking of ways to hold him at bay while getting one of all of the candidates off the island, and hence out of his reach...

  • April 20, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Desmond talking to Hurley could have happened later

    by D.Vader

    Desmond, after meeting Penny, could have run over Locke and then went out a few days later for a nice chicken lunch.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    yea, i wouldnt worry too much about the timeline...

    by jay2517

    and screw u too stepDAD...

  • April 20, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Season six is okay at best

    by RPLocke

    On Par with the shit Season 4. Season 5 was better than this. Season 6 just shows us stuff we sort of already figured out for years.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Across the Sea

    by paburrows

    That reminds me of The Dawn Treader in the Narnia series since the whole thing is them sailing from island to island looking for 7 advisors to the Kings and at the end they have to go to the end of the world. I remember Darlton saying that Lost is very loosely based on some elements from the Narnia series.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Shit Season 4?

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    The fuck. Season 4 was excellent.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Season 4 was okay at best

    by RPLocke

    The Desmond and Michael episodes were good, but the season was shortchanged on character development.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    ummmm... thats what happens...

    by jay2517

    when u get cut from 22-26 episodes a year to just 16. yeeeshh...

  • April 20, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    season 4 was only 14 episodes

    by cekma

    thanks to writers strike the 2 episodes owed to season 4 were each given to 5 and 6. Which is why 5 was 17 episodes. 6 then became 18 episodes cause they felt they needed an additional hour.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I know it was a short season

    by RPLocke

    but there were some characters on that freighter that were just there to be evil.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Wake me when this shit ends

    by AsimovLives

  • April 20, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    thats true cekma...

    by jay2517

    it was originally supposed to be 16 episodes till the writers strike.

  • April 20, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Timeline not fitting..

    by daveyf

    (A)Jin and Sun arrive too late (11ish PM) at the hotel so he can't go to the restaurant to give the watch and money. They fuck like teenagers all night long in all kinds of cavities. (B) Locke arrives home in his lamer vehicule after the flight. Takes a bath. Next day (Day 1, same day as Jin kidnapping) he loses his job. Then goes to see Rose so she can get him a new job. He probably starts the next day so. (Day 2 = first day at work). Meets Ben Linus that day and they both like gay-ass tea. Then the next day he tells Ben that he ought to be the principal (Day 3). At the earliest he gets run over by Desmond on (Day 4) as Linus story needs to unfold before he gets run over. Unless Jin was kidnapped for 3 days and that Sun prostituted herself for 3 days to get the money required to free him the time frame doesn't work. And that's not to mention Desmond said that the plan had arrived a week earlier. Where was Greg Nations on this shit?

  • April 20, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    annnd theres Assi-Jerks 1 and only weekly post...

    by jay2517

    and as always THANKS FUKWAD!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Season 4 was great. End of Story. This season hit and miss

    by Stormwatcher

    but taken as a whole, like season 3, I am sure will be awesome in the rewatch. Gonna buy that Blu Ray entire series and start from the beginning.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Agree...

    by MachThree

    This season has been hit and miss... LA X, Dr. Linus, Ab Aeterno, Happily Ever After and Everyone Loves Hugo have all been good. Most of the others, M'eh. But I'm confident it'll all come together. Remember season 3, how people felt after the first 6 episodes and then they took that long ass break? By the end, Season 3 turned out to be brilliant.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Ok - I no longer like the Sideways World

    by tangcameo

    Damn you, Sideways World Yankees! Damn you all that Hell that's under the Island!

  • April 20, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    yea i dont get all this bitching...

    by jay2517

    it happens EVERY season lol. of course some episodes are not going to "make sense" because the season isnt done yet. kinda mind boggling brotha...

  • April 20, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Wake me when AsimovLives grows the fuck up

    by Lamerz

    You don't like it. We get it. Now get the fuck outta here and go rub one out to the life size poster you have of JJ Abrams in your bedroom. You know you got the man crush for JJ.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I've loved every episode this season

    by paburrows

  • April 20, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Season 6 has been fucking great

    by Lamerz

    In my fucking opinion, one of the best. That's right. I haven't hated any of the episodes this season yet, though clearly some have been better than others. Even the ones that didn't measure up to Ab or Happily Ever After were still good, IMFO.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I did not really like last weeks

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    Besides the last 10 minutes or so. Still enjoyable but it was not a great episode IMO.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Good scene with Jack and Smokie in the Sneak Peek

    by Lamerz

    I love how straightforward the answer is as to why Locke. Yet, I still hope that somehow real-Locke fucks up Smokie's plans. Can't wait to see the rest. Jack's gotta figure out, if he doesn't already know, that MiB can't harm the candidates. When he does, all bets are off. If Smokie can't intimidate the candidates, what leverage does he have?<P>Re: Last Recruit - Smokie's last recruit? Jacob's? If it is Smokie's last recruit, I wonder if Jack is it, and that conversation (sneak peek) is Smokie trying to lure him in. What happens when Smokie has all his recruits though? Does he leave the island? Does he trap them (their minds or souls?) in the LA X "false reality", while he escapes and runs rampant on the world?

  • April 20, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Everyone remember to wake AsimovLives in 5 weeks...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...so he can explain to us his need to troll a show he doesn't even watch.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Captain Lateness just watched the second sneak peek

    by Lamerz

    I usually don't watch them at all. But what the hell. So Sun recognized Locke when being wheeled in to the hospital. Memories leaking in from island-reality? It's all lining up for the Losties to converge on the hospital. Hope Des meets them there to deliver the message. <P>I wonder though, if LA X Jack "remembers" Locke from island reality, will he kill Locke in the OR, or will he save him? It's gotta be Jack that handles his surgery. Perhaps he'll already have conversed with Des.

  • April 20, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    For anyone who likes this season

    by paburrows

    and still likes the show and are tired of the complaining about the show. Send me an e-mail, I have an alternate place to discuss Lost so that those who want to be away from the complaining can do so and they can complain here in peace. room23hydra@hotmail.com If you send me an e-mail I'll send you a link, I would rather not give it out here and become infested over there.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Tonights Ep

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    So, if the timelines are converging and this is both the last ep before the break, and the last ep of the "2nd arc", this has to be a pretty big cliffhanger. I have to say that the spoiler reviews have been off the last few episodes. I agreed with the first batch, but lately I've disagreed with most. So to all who heard this was a bad episode, on par with What Kate Does, keep hope alive.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    The issue is not nor has it ever been that we cant admit there are bad episodes. It's that we don't then make the jump that the series sucks. That is your wheelhouse.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Theory on altLocke vs MIB

    by AintitGlorious

    so Smokey was telling I think Sayid, but maybe ben or someone else about how real locke was weak and how when he was getting killed his last thoughts were 'how did this happen' or something.... a man who lost his faith and and was pathetic and whatnot.... The writers keep saying how the alt timeline needs to converge and stuff... and apprently from a sneak peak at this episode, jack and smokey have a convo about why he picked locke... im thinking that somehow when island jack and alt-jack become aware of one another, maybe jack realizes that if he can fix locke in alt-time, it'll restore his faith and he'll be stong and be able to get rid of the smoke monster on the island. or maybe he'll die, but it'll also remove smokey. I dunno probably not, but that would make sense given all they've done through the series with the faith vs science, jack vs locke, jack fixing stuff, etc.... smokey maybe underestimated who locke could be and is only able to posess him because at the moment, smokey's stronger.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I can filter out the haterz just fine, thank you

    by Lamerz

    I am enjoying the hell out of this season, and if that bugs anyone else ... fuck 'em. Opinions are like assholes, people.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    LOOK EVERYBODY!!! ITS COWARDBOYTEXASS!!!!

    by jay2517

    YAAAAAAAAEEEEEE!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Except for no talent, dick bags like yourself I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to agree with the assessment that there have only been two good episodes. Beside as far back as I can go you've said there were three good episodes and one where you didn't straight out say the episode was good, but you did say LOST was a good show, so save your made up bullshit for your circle-jerk pals.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    lol riiiight....(((JAKA)))....

    by jay2517

    hes a big 'ol vagina!! now go email him fukwad...

  • April 20, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Just wanted to have a word

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    with all the season 4 haters. That season was the best. End of Line.

  • April 20, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Why was it the best season?

  • April 20, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I'm glad you asked. It was the best because the show's narrative was finally starting to pick up. All of the season's new characters were actually well written and compelling. Genuinely great performances from all the actors new, old and guests. That all adds up to awesome.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I actually think Season 3 is the best

    by D.Vader

    Once it picked up steam, it never let up. Mystery after mystery, relative answer after answer, I dig it.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    If I remember correctly, you are the one who tried, and FAILED, to stalk me in REAL LIFE! You are the one who told people to come and find me as a response to your bullshit. So, yeah, I've taken it personally, imagine that? Oh, that's right, you have no imagination.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Flashsideways Theory?

    by gabeasl

    Anyone read Philip K Dick's: How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later? (http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm) Its way too much to summarize but what I will say is that it definitely is a viable theory for whats up.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    HA! cowardBOY mentions me first...

    by jay2517

    and IM the gay stalker?? lol u internet trolls are quite unique...

  • April 20, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Finish Line In Sight

    by fain88

    Holy geeze, there's only a few left. *GULP!*<br> <br> Super excited for this week's ep. I'd been disheartened through some of this season, but even when an episode pissed on my head and called it rain (Ben Linus digging his own grave for half an episode? No thank you!), there'd ben a silver lining to that piss-soaked cloud (like Ben's speech to Ilana) that kept me in it to win it. And I've found the last few episodes to be PHENOMENAL! Lost's going out with a BIG ole' fucking bang. <br> <br> So Happy Lost Day to all! (And happy 4/20! Double trouble!)

  • April 20, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    gabeasl

    by brabon300

    isnt the alt universe another form of the one that was created in donnie darko?<p> only this one is built upon the wish fulfillment of those from the island<p> partially based in current reality, mostly based on their own perceptions of what life would be like sans jacob<p> however, since this show is at its root about faith vs logic, it is apparent that life cannot exist without jacob (god)<p> oh, you can experience it, but something is missing...something is terribly wrong<p> smokie wants to prove that the world would be better off without jacob, so he thinks he has him killed...but he is wrong too<p> and there you have it....paradise lost

  • April 20, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    there'd BE

    by fain88

    that is.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    now...i challenge cowardBOY to actually discuss Lost...

    by jay2517

    but, alas, trolls have no discussion capabilities brotha...

  • April 20, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    hypothetically

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    That would still mean you fucking stalked me off this board, you fucking psycho! Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you? Going into someones e-mail, over a LOST TB?

  • April 20, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Locke and Sun shouldn't meet up at the hospital

    by LockesManBoobs

    Per the preview clip the timeline is off in the Flash Sideways. Sun was shot the day after 815 landed. Locke was run over by Desmond "a week or so" after the flight. That's what he told Hurley when they met at Mr. Cluck's.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Jack tries to operate on Locke

    by RPLocke

    but a giant smoke cloud comes out of Locke. Jack dies. The end.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Haters??

    by Mbaystinks

    What I don't get about haters of this show is simple. They still watch every episode and respond in talkbacks about a show they hate. There are tons of shows I hate. I just don't watch them. Seems simple!!

  • April 20, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    ahh... i love being right...

    by jay2517

    he just cant do it lol. imagine his wonderful and awesome "life"...

  • April 20, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    LockesManBoobs and others

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    I could very easily be wrong about this, but do we "know" that Desmond hit Locke after he talked with Hurley? That could just be the order they showed us.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    ManBoobs - do we know for sure Sun was shot

    by Lamerz

    the day after landing at LAX? Maybe her and Jin were fucking for a few days at the hotel. After all, he didn't have the cash anymore.<P>Even if she was shot the day after, who's to say that the LA X timeline isn't "flexible"? We don't know for sure that LA X is a "reality" and whether it is bound by the same rules as the island-verse/main timeline.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    LockesManBoobs and others

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Also, to piggy-back on what Lamerz said, Desmond himself is also quite special, it's very possible he can jump in time in the ALT the same way he did in the MTL.

  • April 20, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    preview number one

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Jack sits by the fire chatting with NonLocke for a while, starts to wonder "Hmm... if this guys a monster, I wonder what would happen if I blew his head off with this here shotgun I'm holding? I know the last time I pulled the trigger on Locke the gun didn't go off. but apparently he was being protected or something? Maybe if I just squeeze the trigger a little..."<br /> [POOM]<br /> And suddenly Season Six and the whole series isn't about Man In Black any more. <br /> <br /> preview number two<br /> Sun (in Korean): "Oh my God, it's him! It's, what's his name, Mr. Fish-Bulb head. MISTER SPARKARU!"<br /> <br /> preview number three<br /> That was funny, I can't believe that's an official ABC promo. (Is it?)

  • April 20, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    No Offense to the Bald or Handicapped

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    But if you were the MIB, trapped on the Island for millenia, and you created an Alt Reality after you escaped, would you want your alt reality identity to be: a bald substitute teacher in a wheelchair?

  • April 20, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Spoiler fears.

    by mongo126

    From eonline - Episode 15, the big Jacob/M.I.B. episode, is like a freakin movie. Also, there'll be a death that will leave you sobbing in the next few weeks. If they kill Desmond I'm fucking done. To build up a character like Des and make the Desmond/Penny relationship far and away the most sincere among all the crap (KateJackSawyer) and then not bring it to a proper close....that's bullshit.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Mongo--

    by Chowwander

    It's Lost and it's almost over. Anyone is fair game to die at this point. That being said, I'm quaking in my boots. I don't want my faves to die.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    The BOAT is the takeaway

    by Baribunma

    Desmond's sailboat is gonna play BIG in all this. Where the hell has it been all this time? In the cove on the east side of the big island. You can see a sailboat icon on a MAP in the trailer for this week's episode. We all knew that busted-ass plane was not taking anyone off the island.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah Des/Penny is the heart and soul of Lost

    by OutsideChance

    He damn well better live happily ever after.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

    by Pizza The Hut

    AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Is it 8 yet?

  • April 20, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Slightly over 4 hours to go...

    by Lamerz

    time to go make some fuckin dinner. <P>Hurry the fuck up, time!

  • April 20, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Boom! HEading home, PVR kicks in just over an hour from now, put

    by Stormwatcher

    And then Mass Effect 2 time...That game is greatness....

  • April 20, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Are Canadians seeing it an hour early again?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Good to know to avoid spoilers.

  • April 20, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Chowwander

    by mongo126

    I know, but I don't want to have a Pay It Forward fiasco. I know "people are gonna die", but Des/Penny has been the most compelling couple by far. On that note, they did kill Locke, so I guess anybody is game. Sometimes you should give people what they want....this is one of them. On the other hand, they can blow Kate up Ilana-style and I'm fine with that. :)

  • April 20, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    yes FUK KATE...

    by jay2517

    fuk her in her goat ass old man...

  • April 20, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Certainly foolish ..but if you take the show at it's word...

    by MacFaux

    Non-John: "I'm not a what, I'm a Who" "I was a MAN"<br /><br />Dogen: "He is Evil Incarnate"<br /><br />MiB: "He took away my HUMANITY"<br /><br />That creates pretty definite parameters of possibility. But whom? There was a certain poster here who also mentioned big crazy brain Cliff Pickover... Did ya know that "The Scales of Good and Evil" is a trademarked term. hmmpf. Dr. Pickover says the 10 most evil men are:<br /><br />1. Tomas de Torquemada<br />2. Vlad Tepes<br />3. Adolph Hitler<br />4. Ivan the Terrible<br />5. Adolph Eichmann<br />6. Pol Pot<br />7. Mao Tse-tung<br />8. Idi Amin<br />9. Joseph Stalin<br />10. Genghis Khan<br /><br />Not sure i agree with the order, but those are some evil fucks. By any moral or mathematical standard. However, knowing the nature of LOST is so certain that the MAN is from the PAST? Wouldn't Evil Incarnate be as mentioned the MAN who ended the World ..or the Universe. A President or Premier who served up launch codes 'The Dead Zone' movie style, or Myles Bennett Dyson 'Terminator' style ..<br /><br />.or...<br /><br />Some neebish Mr Wizard style guy who was sitting watch at The Large Hadron Collider one day and said I wonder what happens if you turn this knob to there. Or, did not turn the knob to there cause he was to busy postin what nots on AICN?<br /><br />Or, cause he wanted a date with a girl, built a thing that went ka-blooey!<br /><br />Just thinking, maybe Evil Incarnate, has not Incarnated ..yet. Is not being allowed to be born. Maybe that is a why... women on LOST Island can not carry to term, 'cause someone or something knows... <br /><br />Next up at the Plate! number X! Evil Incarnate! BOOM!

  • April 20, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    hmmm...pregnancy as a loophole...

    by jay2517

    hmmmm pretty cool theory broheim...

  • April 20, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Or. Maybe Evil Incarnate is Napoleon.

    by MacFaux

    Goin Dark.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Agree Flash Sideways could be out of order

    by LockesManBoobs

    Thanks for the replies guys. I agree with your points that the order we are seeing the Flash Sideways may nonlinear and/or that Desmond can shift back and forth

  • April 20, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    LockesManBoobs

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I checked Lostpedia and they definitely have the sideways Sayid/Jin/Sun encounter with Keamy's people happening the day after 815 landed.<br /><br /> Locke lost his job that day. Even if he started substitute teaching the next day it would still be several days before Desmond hit him with his car because Lostpedia also says Charlie was in jail for several days before Desmond got him out & Desmond isn't "conscious" of the Island reality until his encounter with Charlie.<br /><br />Until we see how they handle the timeline discrepancy tonight it definitely seems like a mistake and a fairly big one.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    You guys are arguing about timelines on Lost?

    by RPLocke

    The show that has flash sideways forwards backwards, bombs going off and everyone living?

  • April 20, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Even if Desmond "Time Jumps" back

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    to Locke's FIRST day as a substitute it would still be at least TWO Days after 815 landed. At the Earliest! Locke can't be logically teaching the same day he loses his job. So unless Sun is going to the hospital the afternoon of the day AFTER she got shot the timeline doesn't make sense. Unless Lostpedia is wrong and the Airport cops held Jin for more than one day. But that wouldn't explain the Sayid timeline. Something doesn't add up.

  • April 20, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Well the Sideways scenes have ALREADY been shown out of order based on what character they wanted to be highlighted in which episode. But unless Desmond's car or Locke's ambulance is a time machine it's pretty hard to explain how Desmond can drive away from Hurley's date with Libby which happens at least a week after 815 landed (according to Desmond's own estimate) and somehow knock Locke several days back into the past. We don't know if Alt Desmond can time travel. But Alt Locke certainly can't. And Lostpedia says Desmond hits Locke AFTER observing Hurley's date with Libby. Unless the show retcons it otherwise, they definitely have some 'splainin to do!

  • April 20, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    You know Jack will treat Sun's gunshot tonight

    by SithMenace

    But she'll die. Then Jin will die on the island. They're not meant to be together.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    So far...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    ...so good.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Well I'm all for Sun dying, heck take Jin too!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    That ambulance scene of Locke and Sun was fake but tv had to find a way to forced the situation.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Who the hell is Anakin?

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Classic!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    JACK + CLAIRE= FINALLY!!!!!!!!!

    by Acid_Frio

    .............god ive been waiting SOOO LONG for a face-to-face with them.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    "I mean Anakin" .."Who the hell is Anakin"

    by MacFaux

    EXACTLY! Hugo rules. Ford Rules.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Seem everyone meeting up now! Meeting up on the island...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    and now in the flash sideways!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I Call Bullshit on MIB being Christian

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Claire's Christian maybe.<br /><br />But Jack and Michael's off island Christian? That doan makea no sense!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Annnnnndddd ...There is my Arty!

    by MacFaux

    FO'd FPF on Locke BP-1

  • April 20, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    UnLocke "Here we go"......BADASS!!!

    by Acid_Frio

    ......really....hes the fucking smokezilla!!! bombs aint gonna do shit!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Wow, another Illana! Hopefully this "badass" chick goes boom!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    We need another Artz moment!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Where the heck are Rose and Bernard

    by RPLocke

    It's been nearly 3 weeks without them.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Smoke monster is taking Jack to the Rape Woods

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Where was Christians's body if MIB was him

    by LockesManBoobs

    He didn't need Locke's actual corpse to appear like him so what happened to Christian Shepherd's body in the coffin?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Is it Just Me

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    or was Tina Fake a little sexy in that confrontation with The Lockeness Monster?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Very nice Ben brings a tear to my eye.

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Desmond looks confident who could had murdered someone!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    In fact, I killed for a scene if Des gets news he killed Locke messing up the timeline even more!<p>Priceless!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Claire does not seem like a dead soul here.

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    They should check to make sure Illana has no dynamite...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    in her purse! LOL

  • April 20, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Lawyer Ilana

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    can examine my briefs anytime. ;^)

  • April 20, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Sawyer trying to gather the original Losties is admirable!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    But I doubt that plan will work because Jack somehow going to fuck it up!<p>BTW, no Jin/Sun reunion on the island yet? Why even stretch that weak plot even further?<p>I rather see Rose and Bernard, IMO!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    again with the plane..

    by haywood

    Do they think they can repair a plane that is crashed, clear trees, and make a runway, while they repel and attack? Smart.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    This creepy, persistant Desmond...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    ...gets his way, it seems.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    @cymbalta .."examine my briefs' lol. FTW!

    by MacFaux

    estoppal!<br />

  • April 20, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Desmond Hitting Locke

    by landocolt45

    He just did it to get Jack to operate on him...

  • April 20, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Creepy Deasmond is Creepy

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    The Power Of Love from Des is getting on my nerves!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Please let Sayid smoke Desmond!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    @TheUmpire ..Symmetry. Desmond. Kill him. If he talks to you...

    by MacFaux

    ..it is all ready to ...soon.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Alt Desmond isn't Creepy

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Every man in here would Mack on KnockedUp Claire given half a chance.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    WTF, Sayid gets caught that easy???

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Now I know its time for Lost to end!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    For that Matter...

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Every man in here would mack on CrazyIsland Crotchrot Claire given half a chance too!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Gollum Claire, spying on the fellowship

    by FailedActress

  • April 20, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    40 minutes in and

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    best episode of the season so far. It's not any one thing that happened, it's not about shocks or answers, it just feels better written. Sharper, smarter.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Doomed plan. Check. Sawyer with Jack. Check.

    by daveyf

    This feel like LOST!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I bet Desmond is really a Smokey from the future

    by RPLocke

    That's the twist.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    desmond future aaron?

    by nobodylistenstodestro

    Don't be ridiculous. Future aaron is MIB. MIB's body was stolen by Jacob. MIB had a crazy mom. Jacob looks like Aaron. Claire is batshit crazy. The psychic dude said claire has to raise him, she obviously didn't. MIB lost somebody close to him, kate maybe?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Exactly, daveyf

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    It feels like Lost. Oh how I've missed you, show.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    "I'm sad for you..dad".

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Who the fuck writes this shit???

  • April 20, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by attackpatterndelta

    Pretty good episode tonight. So, I'm wondering, can smoke monsters swim?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Sink or swim, bitch! Sawyer is badass tonite!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Jack is a fucking prick!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Don't worry all...

    by daveyf

    Jack and Sawyer will kiss and make up.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    The only problem cymbalta...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    ...is that I'm nowhere near as handsome as our Brotha Des...if I did that kinda stuff I'd be getting slapped with restraining orders or some shit. But yes, I'd mack on Claire if I had the chance...no doubt.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    This episode is GOOD so far.....

    by Acid_Frio

    ..with the interconnecting ALT WORLD threads. But, when Jack said he dosent want to leave the island and jumps off the boat.....JUMP THE SHARK!!!...damnit..really Jack? then why get on the boat?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    same stupid shit

    by akkosa

    walk somewhere sail somehwere some idiot jumps off. waste half the show on dumb flashbakcs... repeat.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    To the LOST Haters.. in the immortal words of Dwight Yoakam...

    by MacFaux

    as offered in 'Wedding Crashers'<br /><br />"Why don't you suck my left nut!"<br /><br />LOST. Awesome!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Love eps with most of the cast

    by LockesManBoobs

    Most of the cast is in both the Island and Flash Sideways this week. First time since "LA X"?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Is anybody NOT crazy at this point?

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Sawyer

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    From that exchange with Hurley, I'm guessing he just completely avoided the Prequels. He's obviously OT all the way. Especially when you consider his spot-on Han Solo impersonation.

  • April 20, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Well I think Sawyer is still sane, even Kate but

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    yeah everyone else is NUTS!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    jacob's ashes

    by LostCause

    I'm assuming there's something important about them? normal ash keeps out smokie... so maybe jesus ashes(or whatever he is) can kill him. The Ilyana or whatever did have a purpose..to get the ashes. yeah>? has anyone had any more to add to the kid being regenerating jacob?

  • April 20, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    How this bitch manage to live this long is beyond me?

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Most useless character that deserves an Artz is Sun!

  • April 20, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Jack gonna heal or kill him?

    by jimbojones123

  • April 20, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    SUN JIN!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Acid_Frio

    2 reunions in one episode...awesome!!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Thank, goodness! Now kill em' off and move the fuck on!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I hope this is some betrayal shit!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Meeting in the middle with the fence between

    by jimbojones123

    Brilliant shooting. Top 10 shots of the series.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    is there no episode next week?

    by Acid_Frio

  • April 20, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Do the writers not realize that Smokie is NOT

    by jimbojones123

    Locke?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Jack...

    by attackpatterndelta

    Is listening to the force now, he will do what needs to be done ::cryptic voice::

  • April 20, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Future Aaron and Walt

    by lightstorm22

    Sorry, dumb question I know. What does Herc mean by FutureAaron and FutureWalt? Just a theory of his or some common theory others have come up with? Has he mentioned it before? It sounds like he thinks Desmond is FutureAaron, so who does he think is FutureWalt?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    jimbojones

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    I've wondered that, but maybe they are right and he is Locke? Maybe smokey just wants us to think he's not Locke? After all young Locke did draw a picture of a smoke monster.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Best Episode this Season?

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    In terms of giving EVERYONE great dialogue and character beats?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Yep cymbalta

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    This is what I wanted out of season 6. 18 episodes of this. Well other than one weird but cool Des episode hah.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Jumping the Shark my ass

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    This show is shark proof.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Last Recruit?

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Was Jack the last recruit for MIB or was his sister Claire the last recruit for the other team?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    That was Fucked Up!

    by Lashlarue

    At first, I thought Jack was going to say, "Fuck this! I'm doing what I want to do." Instead.. it's Sawyer.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    A good effort of an episode and it is nice to see all the cast together however briefly and all have something to say/do. but this episode was still probably one of the most exposition heavy of the season. I suppose that's a little unavoidable at this stage in the game if the writers want to kick our teeth in with the home stretch. A good solid ep but not quite as good as the Ab Aeterno or The Substitute or Dr. Linus or Everybody Loves Hugo or Happily Ever After. I do think it's amazing that an episode that's at best the sixth best of the season is still pretty damn good.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I am with cymbalta as well... Best-ish. many circles.

    by MacFaux

    Stunning Episode. Well written. Lensed. Music. FX... and the players. Josh Holloway pulled off ..From rouge Ford to rueful Ford, Evangeline has the emotional call up to pull the one eye tear, Naveen can lie with out a blink or tell, Fox-y has em-deepen-ed the reservoir of his character experience, and Sun and Claire and Frank and Jin and Hugo..just real.. and Terry O'Quinn, pffft. I'd pay five bucks to hear him read the flight manual of a Cessna 182.<br /><br />Just a Great great epi.. in the pantheon. Circles upon circles back to the former episodes. "I'll never leave you again" ...<br /><br />Sad. Sad, famous last words.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    @ Acid_Frio

    by evildeadron

    no episode next week, they are re airing ab aterno

  • April 20, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    What time is it now?

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Sure as hell not Justified time.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Lowest Rated by DarkUFO Sources

    by BigGoozoo

    Over at the DarkUFO site, a number of "sources" who have read scripts for the rest of the episodes (excluding parts of the finale) rated tonight's episode as the weakest of the remaining ones. If that's the case, we're in for a great home stretch.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Sun and Jin

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    If you didn't feel something at least twice in this episode, you are dead inside. Even though I wasn't thrilled with the ep, there was so many awesome parts, it blows everything else out of the water. I always feel more negative right after an episode, but more because I hate that it ended. It was so much story progression I didn't want it to end where it did.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Oh, And CHEIF! CHEIF! at lest 5 ..count'em FIVE! allusions to

    by MacFaux

    Episode 3.9, Stranger in a Strange Land. <br /><br />It is the best episode of LOST, search your feelings...<br /><br />...you know it to be true.<br /><br /><br />"Is this the foot long?" "..and then some"

  • April 20, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Christian on the freighter doesn't make sense

    by cekma

    Since freighter was out of the islands pocket and mib can't leave island. Unless Christian there was a host ushering Michael into the whispers.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Justified Time!

    by MacFaux

    Goin dark.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I agree with this epi being maybe the strongest

    by jimbojones123

    Character episode since season 1. By a long shot.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Totally agree up at :18. I liked it because it was great set-up, but I feel cheated. I was so expecting to see the fallout of Locke at the hospital, but, knowing it's coming is at least, a small comfort.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Christian

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I think it's obvious that was the ghost Christian and not MiB/Christian. Remember we've also seen ghost Christian appear to Jack off island. I think that "reveal" was only half the story.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    That last post was directed at cekma

    by Koyaanisqatsi

  • April 20, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    What I am pissed off about...

    by saetia

    is what happened to my favorite character on the show, Miles Straume!? How could James just leave him w/UnLocke?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    saetia

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    That's actually a pretty good point. I get why they would leave Claire and Sayid, but they took Lupidis, why not Miles? He can speak to the dead for chrissake! How would that not be useful?

  • April 20, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Saetia

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    He didn't leave Miles with Smocke. Miles is with Richard and Ben.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Oh yeah.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Ahh,

    by saetia

    durr.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Most EMOTIONAL Episode

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I think this episode was designed to remind us why we still CARE about these characters after six seasons. They weren't just pieces in the Jacob /MIB backgammon game this week. Very little plot. Hardly any answers. Just great character moments for literally everyone in the cast. They seemed more like real human beings than they have all year. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    the end is near

    by ZaphodBB

    Can't wait for this crap to finally be over. It certainly has lived up to its name. Storyline that is completely LOST and without direction. JJ Abrams was right when he said to Lloyd Braun, ABC Chairman, in 2003 ... "I bet I can make a show about nothing, with no clear direction and with no rewarding payoffs and make people watch it for 6 years". You can read about it at http://www.youwerepunked.com/lost_without_hope/sharkjumpers.html

  • April 20, 2010, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Great music + Great episode

    by Pizza The Hut

    Whoever does the music on Lost does one hell of a great job. Maybe the best I've heard for series TV. The show is great anyway, but the music makes it ten times better. I want some soundtracks.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    ZaphodBB

    by RPLocke

    I'll always be amused about fans who hate shows but spend endless hours watching and bitching about them. Same goes for all these effing Lost podcasts that try to tell me when an episode sucks. Effers.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    No, Zaphod

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    It bears repeating. Lost is shark proof. The show is the shark.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Grimey Fey

    by Pizza The Hut

    The more I see of this girl, the more I want to get grimey with her. Yowsers!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Music

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Yeah it's nice to be able to say to yourself "My favorite show currently on TV has an academy award winning composer writing the music. Good old Michael Giacchino.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    If the show is the shark

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Then only the audience can jump it. Meaning if you aren't watching/aren't enjoying this season you've lost touch the with the show and don't understand what it's all about.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    So, did Widmark

    by Han Job Solo

    freejack Desmond into becoming an Alt-Jacob and assemble all the candidates in order to checkmate MIB's plan to do the same on island in order to get free? <p> Would seem a good explanation why MIBLocke wants Des dead.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    i can't be the only one who thinks Locke lied right?

    by Bouncy X

    when saying he was Jack's father from the pilot. maybe he has taken his shape since but i dont know, the look on Locke's face when Jack mentioned it looked like surprise. and the way and facial expression when he said it was him, totally seemed like a lie.

  • April 20, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Where are Ben, Richard and Miles?

    by Pizza The Hut

    Having some hot gay sex in Dharmaville??

  • April 20, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Ben, Richard and Miles

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Worst. Demolitions Team. Ever!

  • April 20, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    the last recruit?

    by REBEL_SKUM

    still trying to figure out who the episode refers too? who is the last recruit? i'm kind of assuming it is jack, but unless i'm missing something it's not like it smacks you across the face who the title is refering too

  • April 20, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    The last recruit was Jack

    by RPLocke

    Smokey the Locke needed Jack and Hurley to get off the island?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    They do have a runway

    by Pikaroth76

    Every so often, someone posts that they need a runway to take off. Please remember that they DO have one. They landed on one. Not only do they mention it when landing, but we got to see Sawyer, Kate, and others building it when they were captured by the Others way back when.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Very good point, I hadn't really thought about it til you said it, but I did find myself thinking quite a bit,"oh,yeah remember when so and so did this..", definitely more so than other eps. Except maybe the ep with Hurley and Jack going to the Lighthouse.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Last recruit

    by Han Job Solo

    Yeah, it's pretty unclear, like when Claire told Jack that once MIBLocke talks to you it's over. Hell, he spoke to Sawyer, Hurley, Sun and Kate and they all went their own way. <p> Claire was the last one that Des "touched" in Alt-Time and Jack was the last one MIBLocke talked to on island and look where they are now.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    DESMOND wore a different outfit when he hit Locke

    by D.Vader

    Desmond was wearing a COMPLETELY different outfit when he saw Hurley and Libby having their picnic last week and when he ran over Locke (also last week). <p> In fact, he was wearing the exact same outfit when he hit Locke as he did when he met Claire.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by Han Job Solo

    Jack is a Main In Black Snack

  • April 20, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    I too think Flocke was lying when he said he was Christian

    by D.Vader

    Sure, he's been Christian before... But I don't believe he's been Christian every single time. <p> Afterall, why would Smokey dress up as Christian to tell Vincent to wake his son up?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Ugh...Man in Black

    by Han Job Solo

  • April 20, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by RPLocke

    Desmond stopped off at a Kohls.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    What did Sawyer call Frank on the boat?

    by theBigE

    Was it Chesty? Could anyone hear that clearly?

  • April 20, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I missed it too, TheBigE

    by D.Vader

    Had friends with me or I woulda rewound it.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Pikaroth76

    by theBigE

    That's what they were making in season 3 - a runway! And what did Frank say when they crashed the Ajira flight - how'd this runway get here!?!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I did rewind, Vader

    by theBigE

    But my hearing's not the best. I don't know if close-captioning works on shows that I've recorded on the DVR either. I liked his comment about Frank looking like he was in a Burt Reynolds movie too!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I do wish MIBLocke

    by Han Job Solo

    Would take on somewhat of original MIB's accectatins rather than act like original Locke. I mean, everyone on island knows "who" he is. No need to "act" like Locke. Maybe it's Terry's inability as an actor or it's just a convenience thing.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    theBigE

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    It was Chesty. I believe a reference to his copious chest hair,

  • April 20, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    A positive message from a not-troll:

    by Dr. Ironfist

    Good point Bouncy X. Smokey may have lied about that. Liked the episode. Good times. Let's take this to the end. My only complaint: looks like next week is a "week off", re-run of Ab Aeterno. And I'm selling 6-minute Abs Aeterno on the shopping channel right now!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    OK, gotta stop drinking

    by Han Job Solo

    Original MIB's affectations. <p> I think it was chesty too. No idea where that came from.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Ah chest hair

    by Han Job Solo

    How manly!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Pizza The Hut...there are currently four Lost soundtrack CDs

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    With a fifth due out May 11th. Giacchino RULES, brotha.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Will check 'em out

    by Pizza The Hut

    thanx!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    But seriously... WHERE'S MR. EKO!!!

    by D.Vader

    I thought FOR SURE he'd end up in an episode somewhere this season, damnit!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Closed captioning definitely works on DVR shows, BigE

    by D.Vader

    I used it all the time. Especially on Heroes which was notorious in my house for having inaudible dialogue.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I don't know if Desmond was in different clothes or time travelled or not. They're obviously trying to retcon it to make it make sense. Ben barely knowing "Mr. Locke" in the ambulance is part of that. <br /><br />But as I said above, they're at least a DAY off in their retconned timeline. They HAVE to be.<br /><br />Alt 815 lands. The Sayid and Jin/Sun Keamy showdowns occur THE NEXT DAY. Are they telling us John Locke goes to work in the morning, gets Fired, meets Hurley, goes to the job placement place, gets hired immediately as a substitute teacher, covers for an absent teacher when he wasn't even on the substitute's list the morning the teacher called in, meets Ben Linus and gets run over by Desmond in the parking lot when school lets out in the middle of the afternoon ALL IN THAT SAME DAY?! Jack Bauer would have trouble pulling that off. And he's not in a wheelchair.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    The only problem is the Sun/Jin timeline, cymbalta

    by D.Vader

    Sayid's can be stretched. Sun and Jin's story implies Keamy showed up the next day. It could have been 2 or 3 days later, but really, that's the only odd one out of the whole bunch.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Ok guys

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    We were never given a timeline of when the Jin/Sun alt flashes happened. If their plan was to deliver the money and watch and then run away together then when they failed to deliver the money or the watch (and Jin did say he even went to the restaurant and nobody was there) they would have just stayed in the hotel. Making it easy for Keamy to find them after a week.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    good lord...

    by jay2517

    the timelines match up. some of u guys are making up shit really. c'mon use common sense...

  • April 20, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Sun speaking English... are you kidding me?

    by TheSeeker7

    This whole notion of Sun suddenly not being able to speak English and then magically getting it back upon meeting up with Jin again was maybe the stupidest, lamest, most devoid of having a point thread they've ever done in the series. This was utterly ridiculous, just awful (& capped off by Frank's uber-cheesy "look who got their voice back" line). ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? The writers should be ashamed of themselves for that. It smacks of Terri Bauer suddenly getting amnesia in season 1 of "24" for no other reason than the writers didn't know what the hell to do with her character for about 5 hours. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    BTW... great episode!!

    by jay2517

    and QUIT with all the alt. timeline shit not matching up. yeeessshhh....

  • April 20, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Easy answer about the timeline

    by Han Job Solo

    Fire up a bowl and it'll all make sense.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    and ur LAAAAAAMMMEEE seeker7....

    by jay2517

    u just cant comprehend the show can u brotha??

  • April 20, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    The Seeker7

    by Han Job Solo

    See above

  • April 20, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Han Job Solo

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    It is 4/20 after all. At least for 7 more minutes.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Seriously

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Lost is about character and emotion. Sometimes full grown adults who are still children emotionally equate those emotional moments as "cheesy" or "corny".

  • April 20, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    and i dont need a bowl lol...

    by jay2517

    BUT....beer helps lol...

  • April 20, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I did expect both Sun and Jin to get fried by the fence

    by D.Vader

    Guess it was set on low.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Vader... u think that would be a good way to cook hot dogs???

    by jay2517

    howd u think theyd taste???

  • April 20, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    jack is now deaf for a while

    by ilbagatto

    Jack is now deaf for a spell. DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?????

  • April 20, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    and it doesn't matter about the runway

    by TheSeeker7

    Hello -- THE PLANE CAN'T FLY!! I mean this has been ridiculous to me ever since it was first brought up this season (& helping me to think Flocke has no intention of using it, he just wanted to get everyone together). The damn thing CRASHED last season, there's no way it could take off. One of many examples is the cockpit windshield was totally shattered, a branch coming thru is what killed the copilot.

  • April 20, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I half way expected

    by Han Job Solo

    Jin and Sun to get half way fried (it is 4/20 as mentioned). Thought when they ran for the embrace, the fence would be on half power.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    if you think the Sun thing was good character stuff

    by TheSeeker7

    Wow, I think I feel sorry for you. I mean, I assume that's what you guys are talking about, in getting on me for my complaint about the Sun not speaking English thing. No matter how you cut it, that was just bad writing.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    ilbagatto

    by Han Job Solo

    That Jack is now deaf AND dumb?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    and am I the only one who thought...

    by TheSeeker7

    just for a split second, mind you, that when Claire confronted the gang when getting on the boat, and Kate started to try and talk her down, that Claire was gonna up and put a hole right in Kate's midsection with that rifle? I mean, we're gettin down it, you have to figure major bodies are gonna start dropping SOON.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    re: HAN: That Jack is now deaf AND dumb?

    by da-giez

    so... now he is "TOMMY"???? :)

  • April 20, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    and a big FUK U to seeker 7...

    by jay2517

    REALLY? thats what u bitch abooot? ur a fuking idiot. hope u enjoy trolling dumass...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Alternate Timeline

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Anyone who's read my posts in these talkbacks knows I'm the last person to nitpick about this kind of thing. Somebody else brought it up earlier, so I went over to Lostpedia to research it, hoping to prove them WRONG.<br /><br /> But unless Lostpedia's assumptions about the order of events are completely off I just don't see how the Locke stuff works, even with Desmond time travelling back a week.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see how Lostpedia updates the ALT Character pages after tonight's episode. It's one thing for Desmond to time travel. It's another thing for him to alter or prevent things we've already SEEN happen from happening. Did the end of Locke's ALT episode never occur now? Did Ben's "Dr. Linus" episode never occur or happen differently? Is Desmond the "Bobby Ewing in the Shower" of LOST?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    So... Can Sayid be brought back from the Dark Side?

    by D.Vader

    Otherwise, why have Hurley mention Anakin's redemption? We never saw him kill Desmond. And it looks like Claire was able to come back. <p> Maybe there's hope yet for our favorite assassin! <p> (what's funny is that in the promo for this week's episode, they definitely photoshop a gun flare into that closeup of Sayid to make it look like he shoots Des)

  • April 20, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Han Job Solo

    by ilbagatto

    nice Jack burn. remember: 'If you let him speak to you, it's already too late' Jack might now be the one person on the island who can actually kill Not/Locke now.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    TheSeeker7

    by Han Job Solo

    I just look at it as Sun had some sort of crossover effect from the Alt-Timeline/hooking up with Jin. Who knows at this point. Maybe we're supposed to absorb it all and come up with our own interpretation. Maybe, in the following weeks the show will feed us the answers.<p> It worked for me.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    thats true Vader lol on the "photoshop" gunshot...

    by jay2517

    and Cymbal... altdes hasnt time traveled. good lord people...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I wanna know- HOW did the sub target Locke?

    by D.Vader

    Just HOW? If he smashed the walkie-talkie? Did I miss something? Widmore is once again fine with killing his own people (The Others) and betrayed Sawyer and the gang. Looks like Fey was about to go all executioner on their asses.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Jack is deaf- he CAN'T HEAR Smokey's lies

    by D.Vader

    Smokey has power over you when he talks to you. If Jack can't hear him, Jack can't be affected. Thus, only Jack can kill him.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    hmmm Vader...

    by jay2517

    i assuming if they can build a fence to keep him out...couldnt they build something to track him broheim??

  • April 20, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    da-giez

    by Han Job Solo

    Maybe if he's blind now too. Works for me.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    illbagato beat me to it with Jack

    by D.Vader

    Damnit.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by ilbagatto

    Thank you for getting that connection, dude.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    But Fey set it up that the sub locked on to HER coordinates

    by D.Vader

    So they knew where she was based on a device she had. I assumed it was the walkie.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Vader

    by Han Job Solo

    Looked to me that since MIBLockes people were on the beach that maybe they were able to sight them in. I dunno.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Everyone's gonna turn against Flocke

    by D.Vader

    Claire is already back with the original gang. Sayid is on his way to being redeemed. I love it!

  • April 20, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    it's interesting to be called a troll from

    by TheSeeker7

    someone who appears to have at best a fleeting control over the English language. damn, jay2517

  • April 20, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    And why does Smokey NEED the Candidates to leave?

    by D.Vader

    Why would he care if one of them gets killed? One less Candidate to have to take off the Island. <p> I mean, this logic suggests that 3 years ago, even with Jacob dead, Smokey wouldn't be able to leave bc there were so many possible Candidates walking around. <p> When everyone left the Island... what was keeping Smokey there too? Why bring them back if he needs them to get off? Jack mentioned it tonight: We were supposed to come back and now we're supposed to leave? <p> Seems fishy to me.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    good lord Vader lol....

    by jay2517

    i totally see ur point...just dont give the "bitchers" more shit to complain abooot lol...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah maybe it was the fact that they were on the beach

    by D.Vader

  • April 20, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    And didn't MIBLocke

    by Han Job Solo

    Ask Jack if he was ok and he answered? And something was said and MIBLocke said something like, "You're with me now"? <p> I'm away from my DVR so I'm going on, admittedly, faulty memory.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    And I totally thought Sawyer was gonna take an outrigger...

    by D.Vader

    This episode and end up shooting at himself from a time-flash. Sigh. I sure hope that pops up eventually.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    ur still an idiot seek 7...

    by jay2517

    oh im sorry....YOU'RE STILL AN IDIOT... that better?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Smokey can't fly a plane

    by RPLocke

    That's why he needs the candidates, duh.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Its not a point to bitch about, jay...

    by D.Vader

    More of a "I don't really believe MiB needs them to leave the Island". <p> Or at least, he doesn't really plan on taking them with him. But if he just wants to kill them all, why not go ahead and do it?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by ilbagatto

    Not every candidate left the island before though, and when they did leave, Jacob was still alive, and smokey didn't have a dead person to become yet.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Frank coming out of a Burt Reynolds movie..

    by mikeysquirrel

    Ah, Sawyer. You big lug. Yea, I also though Sun and/or Jinn were gonna get zapped by that fence. For a second, it really seemed like that was gonna happen. Please tell me that Des "the matchmaker" isn't dead. Maybe Sayid was dazzled by his insights of love and he didn't kill him after all. Maybe I won't gouge out my eyeballs from the agonizing anticipation of the two weeks I have to wait for the next episode.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I'm just sayin...

    by D.Vader

    I don't believe Smokey told Locke to "bring everyone back" bc he needed them to leave the Island later. I think he told Locke that to get them to take his body back too so Smokey could use it to kill Jacob.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    nooo vader i was talking aboot ....

    by jay2517

    them knowing where locke was lol. now, the reason he took jack...hmmm...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    And more to my point earlier

    by Han Job Solo

    All of those that left with Sawyer, including Jack, had MIBLocke speak to them. So, why were they able to resist his mojo and not Jack?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    dont think jack is resisting HAN...

    by jay2517

    looks like hes accepting his density...er...destiny brotha...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Desmond is not dead

    by Han Job Solo

    No freakin' way.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    I agree Jay

    by Han Job Solo

    He's on his own path. Nice McFly reference.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Han...now we just need Big Gay Tom (Mr Friendly)...

    by jay2517

    to run out of the jungle and say...WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!! BACK TO THE.... wait a min... u turned a frozen WHAT?? and THEN what happened???

  • April 20, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Justified

    by Han Job Solo

    I use that all the time in MS Word.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    look its a TROLL!!

    by jay2517

    ur so cute cowardBOY... with all trolling...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Islands

    by Han Job Solo

    Where we're going, we don't need islands!

  • April 20, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    LOL!! JACK...JACK!!!.....

    by jay2517

    its about ur candidates!!...they're...well...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Don't tell him he's cute! He'll think you're gay and then, well I'm not sure, but it'll be baaaaaaad. 'Cause lostboy doesn't play! He's an effective member of society, that contributes in many profound ways. I just can't think of what any of them are...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Jack is resisting more than Sawyer is

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    So much so that he's willing to do the opposite of what FakeLocke wants him to do even if that means stay on the island. Jack didn't go back to help FakeLocke, he went back to not leave the island.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    1.8 jizzzawhhooo????

    by jay2517

    u got all THAT from coconuts??? damn...sayid is the MASTER....

  • April 20, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Need Leon Russell for the end

    by Han Job Solo

    Music<P> Now the day is gone and I sit alone and think of you, girl What can I do without you in my life?<P> I guess that's our guessing game just had to end that way The hardest one to lose of all the games we played. <P> But the time is past for living in a dream world Lying to myself can't make that scene Of wondering if you love me or just making a fool of me Well I hope you understand I just had to go back to the Island.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    uh oh its ALTERNALAOSTBOY lol!!

    by jay2517

    theotherjosh! whats up broheim?? u like the "alt" universe??

  • April 20, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Can you fly a plane?

    by RPLocke

    Frank was a candidate, cause he's a pilot.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    good observation Idol...

    by jay2517

    hes still kinda like the old Jack dont u think hmmm?

  • April 20, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Yup, not as lively but more what I was looking for.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    yea...well u gotta sacrifice sumthin...

    by jay2517

    but, u have some good guys that are ur friends now brotha...

  • April 20, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    LBTass

    by Han Job Solo

    Why not head over to the MS Word Justified thread and pleasure yourself? Might be something you'd enjoy. Just sayin.

  • April 20, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    oh snap...cowardBOY just got owned!!!!

    by jay2517

    FACT!!!

  • April 20, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    man... gay slurs and mom jokes...

    by jay2517

    ahhh cowardBOY.... what would we do without u?????

  • April 21, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    actually lostgirl

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    The talkbacks are dying because no one wants to be on the same page as you when you show up. Also the timelines match up just fine based on the info we have. Also, Justified has it's own talkback now. As of now your only excuse for posting something Justified related is that you are too stupid to know better.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    LOL LOL!!! ok ok ok (((JAKA)))....

    by jay2517

    thats all u got?? some dude makes up shit about me???...and thats it? a pussy says things ur afraid to say...and i was owned?? LOL... ur momma!

  • April 21, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    MIB needing the candidates

    by Shakes

    The way I kind of see it is that the candidates are like tumblers in a lock, and in order for MIB to get through the "lock/bubble" around the island he needs to pass through with them. Kind of like why all of them had to be on the plane to return to the island in 2007. That's why he can't kill them, they have to willingly leave the island, with him, together to trigger the tumblers.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    the tb's are "dying down" is because....

    by jay2517

    we're getting ANSWERS. kinda hard to theorize and speculate when the options are being limited broheim(s)...

  • April 21, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Shakes

    by Han Job Solo

    That's a distinct possibilty. But he definitely can't have a Jacob replacement alive on the island staying behind.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    BUT, that is kinda over cowardBOY's intellect level...

    by jay2517

    YA KNOW???

  • April 21, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    ANOTHER good theory Shakes...

    by jay2517

    good thinking...

  • April 21, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Yes- because Crazy attracts Crazy.

    by ToMonicker

    And people have an enough of that. <p> I thought it was a good episode, not startling good, but decent. <p> They seem to be indicating that MIB is fallible; he can be duped, and he doesn't have TOTAL control over his followers. <p> Of course, crazy Claire could be awaiting her moment. <p> Sayid... Oh, hell, what is up with him? He says he believes MIB brought him back? Huh? Just how would Des' appeal work on a soulless, non-feeling zombie? <p> MIB/Locke tells Jack about being Christian, leading him to water, but does that mean he was all Christian sightings? <p> Too tired to really think, so I'll let it rest. <p> Methinks many a peep will fall off now, to keep Unspoilt.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Before I catch up on TB - GREAT FUCKING EPISODE

    by Lamerz

    Not sure why people are using some survey as a benchmark for these episodes ... but if that benchmark said this was one of the worst of the season then it is a completely worthless measure.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    MIBLocke

    by Han Job Solo

    Sure doesn't look to be omniscient with his followers. All kinds of stuff was going on behind his back with Sawyer and Jack. Yet there he was when Jack came out of the ocean looking self satisfied.<p> Then the mortars came raining in and he saves Jack and says that Jack is now with him. Interesting.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I was convinced....

    by MachThree

    Right up until the last moment or two that Jack was going to wind up as the chosen candidate - but now it seems he was the last recruit. D'oh! Two more weeks before the next ep. Jacob, give me the strenth to endure!

  • April 21, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    It's like BSG's last season all over again...

    by HappyHamster

    Read: NOT GOOD. The talkbacker named lostboytexass has it right. Once upon a time, the TB would be overflowing with "Lost" commentary. And now? It's like a freakin' ghost town in here considering we're FIVE EPISODES FROM THE ENDING.<p> It's a race - which final ending will suck more? "Lost" or "Battlestar Gallactica"? (to "Lost's" credit, my money is on BSG).

  • April 21, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Actually, the real reason there aren't as many pple here...

    by D.Vader

    Has ALREADY been said. Its because there isn't much left to speculate on. Its because many people are afraid of spoilers being posted (they already have). And its because there are many people here that bitch and moan and complain and basically make this talkback not as much fun as it used to be. Its ruined the talkback for a lot of people, myself included.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    JACK JUMPED FROM THE BOAT!!

    by BillboeFett

    FUCK YOU SAWYER!!!!

  • April 21, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Preach on Vader...

    by jay2517

    preach on brotha...

  • April 21, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Man that was an awesome episode!!!!!

    by paburrows

    I loved how it was just a ton of character moments. Jack and Locke/MIB, Jin & Sun, Kate and Claire, Jack & Claire, Sayid and Desmond (which I'm guessing that he lied to MIB about killing Des) Jack & Sawyer on the boat. I also love how the alt world characters are all starting to come together and having a lot of the same relationships. Just awesome!

  • April 21, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    "Claire you look good" says Hurley

    by LockesManBoobs

    Right! She looks like crap on the island after 3 years of no conditioner

  • April 21, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    D. Vader - I'd LOVE to agree with you, but...

    by HappyHamster

    ...these last several episdoes (with the notable exceptions of the Desmond and Sayiid eps, and maybe one or two others) have been...average. No one is here, not for fear of spoilers, but because the shows elicit no emotion. <p> It's not even that they're bad per se. They're bad considering where we are in the show's timeline. <p> Anyway, I'm still holding how hope. But I feel a BSG/Soprano's level screw job coming.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST

    hey hamster...

    by jay2517

    thanks for coming... and make more sense next time idiot...

  • April 21, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    i agree PA...

    by jay2517

    i guess people just love to...BITCH AND MOAN???

  • April 21, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    HappyHamster

    by D.Vader

    First off, your opinion of the last two episodes is just that- your opinion- and that's fine. But to extrapolate your opinion to the reasoning behind there not being so many people here anymore is flawed. Yes, there ARE people who have chosen not to come back here for fear of spoilers so close to the end. They have even said as much. <p> If the show elicits no emotion, then there wouldn't be anyone here. <p> I'm hoping the finale is great too, and I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just pointing out that there are pple who have chosen not to come back so close to the end bc of A) spoilers and B) the jerks who choose to spoil. There's also C) the group of pple who just make it no fun to be here anymore, and I notice you didn't mention those guys in your rebuttal.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    When Jack jumped from the boat...

    by BeerIcecream

    I wonder if there was the Dharma shark in between him and the boat.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    whheewwww looorddd....

    by jay2517

    even at 2 am (east coast time) there are still idiot posters lol...wow eee wowww (walken voice)...

  • April 21, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Christian=MiB=HUGE Continuity Error

    by PapaKin

    Did the writers completely forget about Season 4? Sure they explained Christian appearing to Jack in Season 1, but what about him appearing off island and to Michael on the freighter right before he blew up? I though MiB was trapped and couldn't just float across water (as he told Sawyer earlier this season). I can deal with them leaving us hanging on Walt, Dharma, hell even questions about the numbers, but this was a pretty huge plot point they completely dropped.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Talk backs aren't lively cause 'lostboytexass' says passwords

    by MacFaux

    are being stole by him/her/ ...whatever, dude. See comment:<br /><br />#3277121<br /><br />***Apr 20th, 2010 05:05:55 PM***<br /><br />Sadly, I am not sure I can trust this board anymore. If any of you have bought anything off this site I suggest at a minimum...<br /><br />Change all your passwords. NOW!<br /><br />I'm out. And contacting AMAZON!

  • April 21, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    That's why we think he's lying, Papakin

    by D.Vader

  • April 21, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    BeerIcecream

    by paburrows

    I was wondering the same thing, I knew that they probably wouldn't go there, but still the thought hit me.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST

    V

    by paburrows

    I thought that tonights episode was good, not as good as last weeks, but still good. I kind of predicted that that 5th Column guy would die. I gueessed a few episodes back that Ana's daughter would eventually turn good. It will be interesting to see one of those solders in action next week.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Hey Vader

    by paburrows

    Have I told you about our alternative? If not e-mail me room23hydra@hotmail.com

  • April 21, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    I fell asleep during this episode.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    I don't know, it is just not very compelling to me in this home stretch. Timeline X may have an incredible reveal, but it's not very interesting to watch at this point.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    That was touching that its was

    by paburrows

    the reunion that caused Sun to be able to speak again. Again its all about love.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S the best episode in a long time.

    by V'Shael

    Fucking awesome.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Sawyer will be the new Jacob...

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

    ... Why do I think that to be true? MiB always refers to Sawyer as "James"... Sawyer's true first name... The name "James" means "Supplanter" or "someone who illegally occupies property to which another has a legal claim"... in other words, a con artist. Now, I'll give you one good guess what the name "Jacob" means... yep,it means"Supplanter" as well. We know Jacob loves to "play games" with people's lives... so do con artists like Sawyer. Sawyer needs a sort of redemption... he's a good man, but he is heavily flawed... and I can't help but be haunted by what the man who Sawyer mistook as the the real Sawyer said to him in Season 1... "this will all come back around." Sawyer has to pay a price, but what price is that going to be? I know this may seem highly unlikely... and it possibly is... but I just cannot help, but find it ironic that MiB always refers to Sawyer by his first name only...

  • April 21, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't it be interesting if

    by paburrows

    Sawyer needs someone to translate Jin's Korean since Jins was the witness to Keemy, Mikail and Omar's death. So Sawyer visits Jin and Sun in the hospital with that bald lover that taught Sun english?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Like watching 41 minutes of a chess game

    by VikkiMarsdale

    with all the pieces being moved into place. <br /> With all the speculation about whether MIB is always Christian w/ various outfits and shoes, in cabin, first meeting, on freighter, off island at hospital, we get NonLocke confirming he was Christian on one specific instance - and it seems like he's lying about that one. Though, verifying his story, he does know that seeing Christian lead Jack to water. <br /> LA X Sayid is sure not the cool 007 killer that Ben's Sayid was. Leaves the suitcase sitting out, trips over a garden hose. <br /> The whole time Claire had that rifle pointed at Kate, you know what I was mentally screaming. I guess they're never gonna Kill Kate, are they? <br /> Jack swims with a back-pack on? What does he have in there, styrofoam? [serious answer to facetios question, yes, it probably was a flaotation device; in his Playboy interview Fox says he can swim but not well and he doesn't like it when he has to.]<br /> With all that other equipment Widmore had on that sub, all the sonar fence pylons and electomagnetic generators and test equipment, now he has missile launchers? <br /> After a year of building up to it, we get the Sun Jin reunion and folks pull guns on them and make them kneel? Very touching for a moment, then nearly as anticlimactic as Rose and Bernard's dialog free silent reunion. And "Look who got her voice back" may be the corniest thing Frank ever said on this show. <br /> I did like Jack's attitude in the operating room, looking at Locke's X-Ray and saying "I got this" like he's pretty sure he can fix the pre-existing damage not just the new injury. that was the impression I got anyway.<br /> Speaking of impressions, I'm pretty sure there's not a chance in hell that Sayid killed Desmond in the well. They wouldn't have done that off camera if it was going to happen. <br /> I do like Lost for the character development and not just the all out action, and we did have action - that Adventures in Paradise boat heist, the missile bombardments, an explosion, guns pulled, Sayid's arrest. <br /> It just seemed like, well, guns got pulled but nobody got shot. Hit and Run Locke is alove. Shot Sun and baby are alive. Dez-in-the-well is alive. Kate at the end of Claire's gun is alive. Half the crew on their knees at gunpoint as Widmore and Zoe's captives, still not executed yet. Jack burdened by a back pack jumps ship and makes it to shore. Locke's group - ? We say Locke and Jack tossed by the explosion. Was anyone in the background hit or killed? <br /> Not trying to sound bloodthirsty, but it seemed like a lot of action but not much violence.<br /> At least no one took Keamy, Omar, other Arab or Mikhail to the hospital and revived them.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Alt Timeline

    by BlueYoda

    Loved the episode but now I'm a bit confused by the alt timeline as well. I get that Sun & Jin could've spent more than 1 night at the hotel but it still seems like her getting shot and Locke getting frogger-ed couldn't coincide. Has there been an explanation yet that can make everything fit in a reasonable way?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Jack just meets his sister at the office

    by RPLocke

    Jack: Oh, sorry, I have to go. See you later. WHAT!! Can't you at least leave your son with her? You just left Claire there! No wonder she went nuts.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Titus "Mr. Mib" Welliver on The Good Wife

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Titus "Mr. Mib" Welliver, recurring character on The Good Wife, has been on six episodes of the CBS legal drama that airs on tuesday nights at 10:00, after Lost and opposite V, including the rerun episode that aired tonight.<br /> Wikipedea describes his character thus: "Titus Welliver as Glenn Childs: Current Cook County State's Attorney; Childs was responsible for leaking the Peter Florrick sex tape to the media. Harbors immense dislike for the Florrick's and will do anything to see them go down."<br /> Well, of course if The Man In Black escapes the Island to wreak havoc on the world he'll become a lawyer. How much havoc can you wreak as a wheel chair bound high school substitute teacher?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Who had Illana's bag this time?

    by RPLocke

    Jack sure didn't have it when he jumped off the boat, did he? Does Smokey Locke have it? Does Hurley have it? Ahhh!

  • April 21, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    R Plocke, right. Nice to meet ya, buhyee.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    "So, you're the sister I never knew I had. that makes you the aunt my son here never knew he had. My mom was wondering why your name was on dad's will since she had no idea of who you are.Well, gotta go, work comes first, I'm a doctor, don'tcha know. Oh, I guess you didn't..."<br /> <br /> I did like Claire's reaction shot as she saw the Losties taking off. she'd just finished saying that she sided with NonLocke because he was the only one who didn't abandon her, then they wait like two beats and take off and abandon her. That was ice cold, James.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    VikkiMarsdale

    by RPLocke

    And then his kid even says, "So, you didn't know you had a sister. Wow, that's weird." As they walk past Sun and Jin's room.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    I have been known to be a jerk and a douche

    by VikkiMarsdale

    making sarcastic comments about people who are interested enough about Lost to post comments in a talkback but can't be bothered to learn how to spell the characters names. Mr. "Echo" and "Creamy" and "Illyana" for Mr. Eko, Keamy and Ilana, for example. <br /> <br /> But I'm not going to question the guy who called Widmore Widmark or Witmark or whatever he wrote. I actually got a chuckle out of that one, inadvertent of not. Hey, I may just start referring to various characters as Walmart and Walgreen and Kohls. Or Woolco. Remember that one?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to Vincent anyway?

    by RPLocke

    It would also be nice to see Rose and Bernard on island running away from the missiles, if they're still alive. If they were 60s in 77 they'd be in their 80s now.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    4 new polls

    by paburrows

    http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/

  • April 21, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Something fucking happen already

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    five episodes left and so far it looks like it's about one group wanting to leave on a plane and the other wanting to leave on a submarine, either of which may or may not be a very bad thing to happen. You got to be fucking kidding me.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    shakes & billyboomstick

    by LostCause

    shakes: <b><br> candidate definition can·di·date <b><br>(kan′də dāt′, -dət) <br><b> noun <b><br> 1.a person who seeks, or who has been proposed for, an office, an award, etc.<BR><B> 2.a person or thing apparently destined to come to a certain end a candidate for greatness <BR><B>Etymology: L candidatus, white-robed < candidus (see candid): office seekers in ancient Rome wore white gowns <B><BR> I always assumed the candidates were to replace jacob, jacob chose them and one will take his place, unless the "loophole" wasn't so much to kill jacob, but to escape before a replacement could be made/chosen? billyboom: there's never been any indication that there needs to be a replacement for mib, if he leaves its all over.. <BR><B> also, do we know what widmore's goal is? if he kills the candidates does that mean mib loses? surely he needs them no matter what, otherwise flocke would have just asked sayid to kill them all. and widmore could off them anytime. at least when its all over i've still got doctor who :(

  • April 21, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Riplocke baggie

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I think you answered your own question. Vincent stayed with Rose and Bernard when they time shifted back to 1977. so if they're 33 years older now, that makes Vincent 231 years older in dog years.

  • April 21, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Promos for "The Candidate" are up?

    by PedroM

    Episode 14

  • April 21, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    just because smokies says he was christian

    by brabon300

    doesnt mean he was<p> the dude lies<p> he cannot bring back sayid's love...therefore, he could easily lie about being christian

  • April 21, 2010, 4:08 a.m. CST

    MIB / Christian

    by rosasaks

    There are indications from Season Five that Locke isn't being entirely honest. <p> Remember, Christian appeared to Frank and Sun at the Dharma village at the end of Namaste, even though we'd seen Locke was on Hydra Island with Ilana and Ben in The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham. Now obviously they're already foreshadowing the Christian/Locke/MIB connections too, with the stuff with the coffin and the shoes from 316 onwards. But there's a piece of this missing, even if the detail about being led to water fits. I wonder if we'll ever see what happens to Christian's body, from his death in that Sydney hotel room onwards, because it might be interesting to wonder if we've seen the last of John Locke on the island either. Not showing it keeps us guessing, which is right where the writers want us, I suppose. <p> Now, last night, we were reminded by Claire that she'd been with Locke since 2004, and that he'd never abandoned her. He first appeared to her as Christian. Now, Claire didn't flash through time. When Christian appeared to Locke underneath the well in the time of the statue and told him to turn the Frozen Donkey Wheel... well, does it make sense for that to be MIB? In terms of motives, maybe, but not in terms of logistics. Not really. There's more to come with this story.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Seeker7 is fucking right!! Worst. Episode. Ever

    by ndally

    This was one of the worst written Lost episodes I've ever seen. Anyone who thinks that the Sun speaking English was was anything less than retarded is retarded. Look I love this show but this episode was garbage. The dialouge was shit the pacing was shit and most of the acting was shit. That Lapius line when Sun talks was so fucking bad I was half expecting him to wink at the camera. With so many of you saying this episode was great really makes me wonder about some of you. I thought you were people who knew quality but I guess I was way wrong. And if anyone calls me a troll for shitting one this episode..fuck it what do I care if you call me a troll. Wost. Episode. Ever. Jack(especially when he's with his kid), Sawyer, Sun, Jin and Claire all had some of the most lame acting I've seen out of those show. I guess the reference to Anakin was more than meets the eye

  • April 21, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    MIB is still Christian off island...here's how

    by Dhaemon

    Even when they went off island, they are still affected by the Island in this timeline. <br> Remember when Michael tried to kill himself off Island?<Br> The Island in the Jacob affected timeline reaches all around the world.<br> MIB wants more than to get off the island, he wants to get out of the Jacob affected world and enter the non-Jacob timeline.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Although...

    by rosasaks

    During Ab Aeterno, the lantern that Titus Welliver was carrying did seem to be intentionally reminiscent of Christian carrying a lantern in the tunnels by the donkey wheel. But being put in mind of this doesn't necessarily indicate they're one and the same. Plus, recount that MIB claims Jacob stole his soul and his body, so there could be deceptions and reversals in play too. It seems likely that Christian has some past connection to the island in any case, so maybe that will be revealed in due course. Assembling his family for the reading of the will seems to be leading to something more, not just the confirmation that his was one of the forms the Smoke Monster appeared as. I still wonder if Isabella and the whispers was setting up the other side of the Christian back story. We seemed to get two versions of Isabella, after all, as the two times she spoke to Richard had contradictory motives, even if separated by a long stretch of time. Also, there was the question of how she even got to the island in the first place. Plus, the stuff with Christian's secret child, echoed by the oblique comments from David, well what do we make of all that anyway? Again, we're still waiting to see why Aaron is important. There are some theories.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Two possibilities regarding Christian.

    by V'Shael

    One, is that it's Smokey. I tend to favour that one, since when rewatching the series, it's amazing how well that makes sense. However, I'd add one caveat to this. When Smokey takes on a persons guise, he takes on their memories too, and as a result some of their personality can come through. This would be consistent with the "Don't tell me what I can't do" line which Faux-Locke gave us before. It would also explain some of Christians more "friendly" statements.<br /><br />The other possibility, is that there is another entity. I don't tend to like this idea, but it is possible. I just can't see it being Jacob, and I can't imagine they'd introduce a brand new never before seen entity. So the only alternative would be an entity/person we have seen before. And of all the candidates, the best one would be Eloise. Eloise as a smoke-monster type person who managed to make it off the island.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Desmond's talk with Sayid...

    by rosasaks

    Obviously people noted the parallel Desmond has in LA X with Jacob. But did we just see Desmond convince somebody who has been "claimed" by the sickness that actually he CAN tell right from wrong? Wouldn't that be what Jacob brings people to the island for, to prove to the Man In Black? Events seem to be deviating from the script, in which if you listen to him talk it's already too late, and it only ends once, with everybody dying.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Mini-Jack

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Of all the weirdness in this episode, the one that cracked me up the most was Jack and David in matching suits, shirts and ties. Jack and Mini-Jack. "Hey son, we have to go to the reading of your grandfathers will. You know what will make it fun, though? Let's put on identical costumes."

  • April 21, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by rosasaks

    The third option would be that sometimes Christian has been Christian.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Some slight problems with the episode...

    by V'Shael

    1) The resolution to Sun speaking / forgetting English was very dumb and didn't pay off.<br />2) The timelines DON'T match up<br />3) Although it made a sort-of kind-of sense, having Jack go to the boat, half way across the channel, then dive in and swim back, fell RIGHT into the biggest criticism this show has when it's stalling for time. "Let's go there. Let's go back. Let's go there. Let's go back."

  • April 21, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    @Rosasaks - Yes, I suppose that's true.

    by V'Shael

    If we assume that Michaels ghost and all of Hurley's ghosts have been actual ghosts, then Sayid and Danielle and others have been able to hear them. And so I suppose others could have seen them too.

  • April 21, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    WHAT WILL YOU GUYS WATCH AFTER LOST ENDS?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    may i suggest a show? hint: it involves a portal of some kind

  • April 21, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Some slight problems with the episode... (1 more)

    by V'Shael

    4) The well was MUCH deeper when Faux-Locke dropped a torch into it. This week, it was a bit of a cheat to show it was like, 10 feet deep. Desmond could have chimneyed his way out of it in about 30 minutes.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Sayid needs to die

    by DioxholsterReturns

    ever since i first seen that sadistic arab on the show i wished for his early death. its not too late to kill that motherfucker.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Questions: Too many? Not enough?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Remember when... - like, for the last 4.75 years - people used to whine "They never answer any questions, and the characters on the show never ask the obvious questions. Or they accept evasive answers or get distracted before getting an answer." <br /> This year, a lot of the complaint have been "They should show us everything as part of the story, not just have someone ask a question and get an answer."<br /> This year characters have been asking questions, and in a lot of cases insisting on answers even if they have to repeat the question again and again.<br /> Whcih was felt odd about the Jack and NonLocke conversation about Christian. Jack asks about one very specific instance of seeing his dad, christian. "Was that you?" NonLocke says yes, but in a way that practically screams he's lying. though he does know the meeting led to Jack locating water - something he could have discovered simply by watching, though.<br /> And Jack doesn't ask about Christian at the hospital off the Island or any other appearance, (Presumably he knows nothing about Christian on the Freighter with Michael - but we do.) <br /> Then Locke pulls some evasive "Hey, let's look over there" maneuver and Jack goes along wiht it. So now we're back to characters accepting evasive answers to the questions we want answered. (By we I refer to the talkback in general.) <br /> <br /> So, 1. Does The Smoke Monster have sensory apparatus? Can Smokey see and hear, or does it know where it's going by magnetism or vibrations? could it "spy on someone" in the form of a puff of smoke lurking in the underbrush?<br /> 2. The presence of Hurley's and Miles' super-powers indicate that Ghosts are real. If NonLocke was surprised by the question about Christian, is it possible that some or all appearances of christian have really been GhostyChristian, old Darlton interview statements to the contrary? Is it possible that ManInBlack might not have been aware of the existence of ghosts on the Island? <br /> <br /> and 3. Are the people who used to complain "Not enough questions, not enough answers, no one asks questions or digs for answers, answers too evasive" the same people who are now complaining "questions and answers being given too literally, should be part of the story instead." Since these seem to be the opposite positions, I would assume that they must be different complainers. Unless there are people who just like to complain about Lost no matter what happens, and that would hardly make any sense, now, would it?

  • April 21, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Some idling thoughts on the episode.

    by V'Shael

    I was pissed that we didn't see the Ajira boat and the time travelling Losties.<br />It was actually great to see Illana on Earth-X.<br />I like the fact that everyone is being brought together and that they seem to realise there's something really co-incidental about that.<br />I was really glad to see the Jack / Claire timelines get some traction on their siblinghood. Now maybe the shippers will shut up incesting the storyline.<br />A bit of a tease about Jack's wife, still not being seen on the phone.<br />Really like how, everyone seemed to get screentime and dialog. It felt more like an episode of Lost should.<br />When the gang were running to the boat, Frank was out of breath and Hurley was in the lead. Frank must be the most physically unfit dude I've ever seen.<br />I know people have been criticising the show's portrayal of smokey's motives when it comes to leaving the island. But here is what I think is happening. Smokey wants everyone to leave with him, because that's the only way to ensure that NO candidate will replace Jacob. If 5 of the candidates die, while the 6th one is on the island, (s)he'll automatically replace Jacob, and Smokey will be good and trapped once more, unable to kill the new Jacob.<br />But if Smokey gets them all to leave, there's no replacement, and he'd happily kill them all because the rules won't stop him.<br /><br />That explains why he's not TOO bothered about James and the others trying to leave by boat/sub or whatever. So long as they are GONE (or dead) he doesn't care. I think Jack has begun to piece this together, and that's why he said leaving was the wrong thing to do.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    @VikkiMarsdale - Interesting.

    by V'Shael

    I do think the complainers are different people.<br /><br />In the case of Christian, as I think I mentioned above, if you rewatch the show it's amazing how often the smokey noise effect is used when we see "dead" people. And it might have been too on-the-nose if Jack had asked "Have you impersonated my father every one of the fourteen times I've seen him in the last three years?" <br /><br />This might be a case like the whispers: The producers have given us the answer, confirmed our suspicions, and now will leave it to us to figure out that they're *not* pulling a fast one. <br /><br />"Was that him?" Yes.<br />"What about that?" Yes.<br />"And this guy?" Yes!<br />"And Bens mom?" Yes!<br />"And that--" YES DAMN IT! SMOKEY IMPERSONATES DEAD PEOPLE!<br />"OK. Just making sure."

  • April 21, 2010, 5:18 a.m. CST

    IF Christian always = Smokey / MIB....

    by rosasaks

    1) How / why did he appear to Michael on the Freighter? <p> 2) How / why did he appear to Frank and Sun at the Dharma village when "Locke" was on Hydra island with Ilana and co. 3) How / why did he appear to Locke by the Frozen Donkey Wheel in the time of the statue - before the well was built, and therefore long before Christian's dead body was brought to the island? Remember, MIB was on the island with Claire from 2004-2007. Also, why did he ask Locke to say hello to his son, without telling him who his son was? <p> 4) Who was trapped in the cabin and needed help when the Smoke Monster was free and roaming the island in 2004? 5) Why have we not seen the 1867 version of the Man In Black in current times? And what did he mean that Jacob stole his body and his soul? 6) If the appearance of Isabella in The Black Rock was a smoke manifestation, as with Christian after 815 crashed, and various others, was the Isabella that spoke to Richard through Hurley the same entity? How did Isabella ever get to the island anyway? <p> 7) How was Jack having visions of his father in Los Angeles in 2007? <p> Now some of those I'm sure there are explanations. But all of them?

  • April 21, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST

    List of television programs

    by VikkiMarsdale

    List of television programs that never ret-conned or contradicted itself, never left any loose plot threads or never unanswered questions, ended with all subplots resolved and provided each character with a satisfactory conclusion to their story arc. And never had a few bad episodes to sweep under the rug and pretend they never happened. In other words, lived up to the impossibly high standards that both Lost's most dedicated fans and it's most vociferous critics seem to expect from it. <br /> <br /> Well, there was...<br /> <br /> Ahhh... <br /> <br /> I got nothing.<br /> <br /> <br /> You ever think that whole negotiated end-date deal was a gamble? if they just futzed around (and gone all X-files) til the network canceled them, they could dismiss any unanswered questions with "We would have gotten to them eventually".<br /> By nailing down an end date, it raised the expectations that this was going to be a perfectly formed six year mini-series?

  • April 21, 2010, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Also:

    by rosasaks

    Why is Christian's body missing in the Oceanic 815 Crash time line, and the LA X time line? <p> Is it a coincidence that mirror at the Lighthouse showed Jack's childhood home? So wouldn't that be Christian Shepherd's house? <p> What's the deal with his children and grandchildren? Why is the Shepherd family important and mysterious, LOL. <p> People were wondering about Chang not seeming to have aged in last weeks LA X. I wonder if he's a guy who could shed some light on whether Christian Shepherd had been to the island before... It's odd that we've not seen John Terry this year. Have they really written him out, like that? <p> Now, it's good that we've got MIB as a character established right there after the plane crash. But I think Christian is still a character of some significance in his own right - just as John Locke is. Maybe Locke is Christian's replacement, and we'll get some insight by the end of the series? <p> Oh, I dunno. But these answers, about the whispers, Christian, they've been very casual and straight forward, haven't they. It's not that I necessarily expect them to over complicate and pull the rug out from under us, but I think they've introduced these details simply so they can use them to good effect in the coming weeks. I think with some mysteries, the answer is kind of the pay off itself. Maybe with Christian, or the whispers, giving a simple answer sets up something more interesting they have planned.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Jack and David in the matching suits...

    by rosasaks

    Now you mention it, makes me think of Christian and Locke in their matching suits, shoes and coffins. <p> So what Jack asks Locke for is the relationship he never had with his father? But things being tricky in LA X, instead of being the son, he gets to be the dad? He doesn't get Christian back - Christian's body is still missing in LA X too - but he gets a father-son relationship to make of what he wants. <p> I'm not sure. It still feels like there ought to be a Jack/Christian scene on the island. A lot has gone into it. Those early ghostly visions were a pretty iconic hook for the show, and they've been neatly wrapped up in a couple lines of dialogue? I'm not convinced. Remember, Sawyer and Jack overcoming their conflict with that great scene where Sawyer reveals he met Christian before he died? How did Christian die? Was there more to it, like there was when Locke died? Or did he drink himself to death after all? The science/faith stuff with the coffin and the shoes and Locke and the echoes of Christian... it feels there will be more. MIB tells Richard he had his soul and body taken, yet there he is talking to Richard... In the jungle, seeing visions of this strange kid, after Jacob has supposedly been killed, MIB seems to have something of Locke's spirit bleeding back into him. Isabella, who maybe never came to the island, unless there was a slight of hand with flash sideways in that episode which weren't directly signalled, was she corporeal, smoke, whisper? <p> I like that there's ambiguity in play here. Sometimes you can have your cake and eat it by feinting multiple ideas in different directions for just long enough that the suggestion of all them is embodied on screen even though eventually the story has to pick one of them. I think we're being teased in preparation for a neat series of reversals.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    The Island was using Christian...

    by nobodylistenstodestro

    Not Flocke.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    It's obvious that MIB planned all this

    by TotoroSan

    Perfectly logical. When you are playing chess, you sacrifice pieces to get what you need for the final attack. Does it make sense that MIB would allow Sawyer to go for the boat unaccompanied? He knows Sawyer's true nature. He also knows Jack's. He allowed Sawyer and company (pawns) to leave and inevitably be captured by Widmore so that he could claim Jack. Hell, MIB was right there when Jack swam up to shore, meaning he expected Jack to be there.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST

    MIB was there because that's where the boat was supposed to be.

    by V'Shael

    Jack just swam back to the closest point on the shoreline. ie, where he CAME from.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    the writers aren't going to lie at this point

    by Gordon Bombay

    If MIB says he was Christian then that is true. They only have so much time left to answer all of these questions. it's just like the people last week that didnt buy the whispers explanation.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    So when is Claire getting on the chopper with Aaron?

    by BacardiRocky

    .......or did the writers decide to throw away Desmond's vision and basically say Charlie died in vain?

  • April 21, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Sun and Jin re-uniting

    by alan_poon

    I love this show but could give less of a fuck about those two. Can we get on with it now and no more soppy music, people running towards each other touchy feely bollocks that makes me squirm in my seat?

  • April 21, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Jack a pill popper in the flashfowards?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    That might explain his "seeing" his father in the waiting room.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST

    It's obvious nobody planned this

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Some guys want to leave the island on a sub, some want to leave it on an airplane, one guy is like 'well the guy who wants to leave on the airplane may or may not be a bad guy, so maybe we should do the opposite of what he wants and not leave the island.' These aren't real characters with motivations here, that would take some actual writing. And yes charlie died in vain, just like locke, eko and anybody else who died. Just like the hatch was all for nothing. Just like the time traveling was completely pointless. This whole deal has apparently all been about some candidate shit and the smoke monster trying to leave the island, which may or may not all be bullshit, who knows because we can't just come out and say anything, even 5 episodes left from the end in a six year show.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Vikki

    by quicksilver80

    How about The Wire? and don't get me wrong, I love Lost

  • April 21, 2010, 7:30 a.m. CST

    re: ThrowMeTheIdol 07:25:53 AM

    by tedzilla99

    <p>"That might explain his "seeing" his father in the waiting room." <p>He asked for his first prescription after he saw Christian in the hospital...before that moment he was straight.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Finally, a sense of urgency

    by The McPoyle Clan

    and none too soon, with six hours left. Keep it up and let's end on a high note!

  • April 21, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Bummer is

    by The McPoyle Clan

    there's no new episode next week...

  • April 21, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    What surprised me about the Smokey answer

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is that if people have to be dead for him to impersonate them then he wasn't the spooky-Walts we saw? Then what was that? I'm thinking Fake Locke is lying. In fact I'm starting to think Fake Locke is real Locke somehow. That he went insane and thinks he's the smoke monster.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Christian

    by tedzilla99

    I am certain that MiB lied about being Christian when Jack saw him. It's too easy of a wrap-up. I think there's going to be a very interesting "reunion" where Christian's influence on events will be explained more clearly.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Are we sure there is no new Episode next week?

    by Dhaemon

    Everywhere else besides this site is saying it's a new episode next week.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    ^Yes, no new Episode next week.

    by onezeroone

  • April 21, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    by rosasaks

    With Desmond and Christian they've made those early story lines with the smoke monster and the hatch tie in to the Jacob / Man In Black rivalry and the Jack / Locke rivalry, so this is starting to cohere together a bit, although obviously elements of season two will always be problematic. Agree it's frustrating after building up some urgency on multiple fronts we have to wait two weeks. The coda with Desmond running over Locke after being chucked down the well last week obviously started an arc in motion which makes The Last Recruit and The Candidate sit together almost like a two parter I guess, so the break is irritating. Presumably Across The Sea would be a more natural break as it picks up a totally different story tack, but maybe being forced to wait even longer after whatever The Candidate culminates with would be excruciating, cause then we're into the precursor episode for the finale. <p> Strange how much of a non cliff hanger they left us on. We're just waiting to see what plays out. Jack's situation is pretty ambiguous. He's gone back to MIB's side precisely because he wants to defy him? Well, that's backfired I guess, cause he seems to have foreseen it and was right there waiting for him, looking reasonably pleased considering he'd been betrayed. It's nuanced. Jack and Sawyer both want to double cross Locke, but in different ways, for different reasons. The bomb at the end... interesting the thing with the ears, recalling the aftermath of when they returned to 2007. But what I was most put in mind of was Claire, after the house exploded in season four. She was with Christian after that, and some wondered if she died, like Sayid thinks he did. Jack's with Locke now. He says he wants to stop him. But what happened in the explosion? Was that intended to suggest Jack has now been claimed? Well that would be interesting, coming just as we see Claire going with Kate, and Sayid probably showing leniency to Desmond - who is perhaps now just as persuasive as Jacob and MIB. If Desmond is killed, I don't think it's going to be any other way than with that knife. It's been slow burning, but I think the temple stuff Dogen set up is going to play out. And if Jack unwittingly became The Last Recruit, he may have more choice in the matter than assumed. Plus, maybe there is more to the Locke/Christian deal to be revealed.

  • April 21, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    Anakin

    by rosasaks

    Last week I'm sure I'm not the only one put in mind of The Emperor being thrown down a shaft when Locke chucked Desmond into the well. And this week, Jack is at Locke's side, looking for an opportunity to defeat him rather than get claimed by him. Well, good luck with that. So I guess Sawyer is right when he asks, who is Anakin? LOL. It's strange, cause the Star Wars vibe always seemed to be there with Widmore and Ben, but their relationship is downplayed these days. Sawyer traditionally seems to be Han, but him and Kate kind of switch back and forth on who is respectable and who is on the run, so I'm not sure which is Han and which is Leia. Wasn't Hurley going to write Star Wars in 1974? Maybe he's the key to figuring it all out, LOL.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Jack's father...

    by rosasaks

    So Locke basically just said, Yes Jack, I was your father. LOL <p> So again with the Star Wars... Is it Darth Locke trying to corrupt Jack as Luke to Kate and Sawyer's Han and Leia? Or... is Locke the Emperor, and Jack is actually Darth Vader to David's Luke? See, cause last week Jack tried to reject the hero's call for adventure that Jacob has stirred in him, and let Hurley take the lead, but he couldn't resist. He wants to go with Obi Wan Kenobi to Alderaan and become a Jedi, like his father. LOL. So maybe, Desmond is Jacob, and maybe Jacob is the Emperor, chucked down the well, and Locke is actually Obi Wan Kenobi, and Jack is Luke after all. So who is Anakin? Maybe Christian is Darth Vader after all. Oh, it's so confusing. And WHAT DOES KATE DO? Which ever one of Kate and Sawyer is Han, has to go back and help Jack blow up the Death Star. Oh, wait, Jack is definitely Luke. Luke blows up the Death Star. What does Jack do in every single season finale? He blows shit up. Except, in this episode, Jack got blown up. Ha ha. Serves him right. So is Jack now dead from being blown up and needs bringing back? Oh, Carlton Cuse, that cultural anthropologist. Good thing that Harvard education is going to such good use. Quick, who's got some Joseph Campbell books?

  • April 21, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST

    The redeeming thing of Season 6's second arc...

    by daveyf

    Is Desmond. He brings home the entertainment like no one else. Who would have known that the guy in the hatch would become the best character on the show? Sawyer better get his shit together before the end.. it's by far his worst season. Jack is becoming cool again but let's hope he won't get claimed. Kate has been useful once more to claim murderous (poor old axed Justin) Claire. Claire well.. they'll never know what to do with her.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Desmond is great. Don't know if he's the best character.

    by V'Shael

    For me, Dan Faraday is possibly the best character. His arc was awesome, and by comparison he was barely in the show. To come in in Season 4, and make such an amazing impression, is a credit to the actor and the writers.<br /><br />I wonder if Desmond would have been as popular if it wasn't for Penny? Because that relationship really really works.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    @Rosasaks. Brilliant idea.

    by V'Shael

    That Jack might now be claimed. <br /><br />I don't remember seeing anything with Sayid having those hearing problems though. Just the bullet to the gut. I might have to watch the Temple scene again, since being under water is normally a cue for the sound guy to start playing with the audio.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I'll bet anyone on here that...

    by Gordon Bombay

    that it turns out MIB was telling the truth about appearing as Christian. Any takers?

  • April 21, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    The Wire Never Ret-Conned

    by Crow3711

    Or left anything unanswered that needed to be. The world existed outside the show, so some things you were never expressly shown, but there are no flaws. The story is entirely complete.<br /><p><br />And Smoke Monster wasn't lying. I don't know why ANY of you can't just hear the things these characters say, and believe them, instead of coming up with THE MOST convoluted explanations of all time. This is why I stopped coming here. They are answering things finally, and now that you get them, you refuse to believe them. It makes no sense. Yes, the answers are a little "simple", but that doesn't make them wrong. Answers, are by definition, easier than mysteries. It's life.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Crow..

    by Gordon Bombay

    That is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say for 3 weeks on here.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I really liked Jack's moment jumping off the boat

    by D.Vader

    He wanted to do what was right for everyone, and that was to help get them off the Island now that Kate had Claire and they were going to the Island where Sun could find Jin. <p> But personally, for himself, it felt wrong and he didn't want to go through that stress and strife that came with leaving the Island the first time again. <p> I can see where some critics might say its another case of "going here then going back", but give me a break, that was a really good character moment.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    V'Shael, thanks for the explanation re: Smokey and leaving

    by D.Vader

    That's a good explanation, and that also explains why Flocke would be afraid that any of the Candidates might get killed during the missile attacks. He can't kill any candidates until he leaves the Island, and if any of them die before they leave, the last one is the new Jacob. <p> The only reason he's killed Candidates in the past is bc he judged them and realized they weren't THE Candidate, but now that its down to 6, its too close to call.<p> Only one he knows isn't a Candidate is Kate. She's expendable but needed to get Jack and Sawyer off .... (the Island).

  • April 21, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Smokey doesn't NEED a body to assume the identity

    by D.Vader

    Hence Ben's mom and Isabella appearing. <p> Smokey needed Locke's body so that he could pretend he had come back to life as an Island miracle. He couldn't just show up as Locke and spook the hell outta Ben and the other LOSTies with a "Yeah I came back to life AND teleported to the Island!".

  • April 21, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I think Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire on the chopper

    by D.Vader

    I've thought that for a long time now. Desmond was getting tired of saving Charlie over and over, seeing it as a futile attempt. He had a vision of SOME pple getting on the chopper- including Aaron- but he told Charlie Claire would be on there too so that he'd be more willing to perform the sacrifice.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Fake Locke is the Real Locke who went insane

    by D.Vader

    And thinks he's the Smoke Monster. HAH! I love it ThrowMetheIdol!

  • April 21, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Gordon Bombay

    by Crow3711

    Not only do I respect your handle, immensely, but I also respect your sentiment. It's nice to know there are still one or two sane people on here. Just don't try to convince any of them of how crazy they are being. They'll call you a Nazi or something. Just let them think whatever they want to think. It doesn't make it any more or less nonsensical.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    another sign next week isnt new

    by Bouncy X

    there was no "next week" segment during the credits. just a "the final episode airs may 23rd" montage.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    ThrowMeTheIdol

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    If fake locke is somehow the real locke just gone crazy into thinking he is the smoke monster, then how in the fuck does that explain him being SHOT in the first episode, then hiding behind that pillar to TURN INTO THE SMOKE MONSTER, or locke's dead body, or every fucking attempt the show has made to get across the idea that the man in black guy in the past and locke in the present are now one in the same. They even did it last season in that ben episode where he was "judged". Christ you ought to get a job writing videogame storylines. How hard is it to pay attention here.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Improvement

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I personally thought this was a generally over-all much improved episode to last weeks. Everything felt so much more "real," the emotions, the dialogue, name it. The flash side-ways was even enjoyable, probably because it was much better paced and more characters were addressed, as opposed to them lingering when they didn't need to. Last week I truly felt was the "fail" episode. Last week was the episode I thought basically everything was artificial. Did you really figure out that Sawyer wasn't going to be able to out-fox Widmore? Did you really figure out that Jack was going to jump off the boat? Sure, it made sense that he would meet up with Locke again at some point, but I really thought it was done in an enjoyable way. The being able to hear Flocke is quite an interesting theory, we'll see how it plays out. <p> My only gripe is that only now, with so little time left, do they feel the need to actually progress the plots. Almost every episode before this has felt like stalling. </p>

  • April 21, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Another reason the talkbacks aren't long,

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Why extend them past the week that was? We get a new episode pretty early in the week now, so people don't have much time to comment during the beginning of the week when they're back and work and whatnot. When the episodes are shown on Tuesday, the weekend hits later, so there's less a reason to get online and read everything people write. </p> <p> Also the spoilers. </p> <p> Also the fact that Lost has been stalling for most of the season. </p>

  • April 21, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I also really liked how the episode ended on a parallel

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Jack having to save Locke in the Alt-Universe and Locke having to save Jack in the Original. It reminded me of some of the best character beats in Season 1 and 3. Yes I said 3. I liked Season 3. I don't understand the venom. All of the early overly-long seasons have their downsides, but upon watching 3 again, it was really strong.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    lostboytexas, you are one of the reasons it sucks to come here

    by D.Vader

    You have to know that. I don't understand why you feel the need to be so annoying. I just don't get it.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    Solid episode with good pacing. I enjoyed it more than last week's. Yeah I am not 100% sold that MIB was always Christian, we will see though. Desmond is not dead, Sayid came back from the dark side IMO and saved him. What's the point of Widmore firing missles at MIB? That shit isn't going to work, and so much for Widmore being a "good" guy. He is obviously a prick. It seems to be shaping up for Locke to make a return to the Island, at least I am getting that vibe, especially after MIB called him a sucker. lol

  • April 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    bit late to this party

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    another awesome ep, they are hitting out of the park each ep this season (yeah ok the Kate one was just ok)

  • April 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    While I agree with you the unanswered obscure dialogue

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Like the one you brought up sucks, but for some reason I didn't have a problem with it this week. Maybe because it was followed up with something that actually illuminated what had been going on, even though it may be a lie, and even though it doesn't explain some of the awkward plot issues. <p> All the repeated "and"s though sucked. </p>

  • April 21, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Season 3 Rocked

    by Crow3711

    Dont let anyone convince you otherwise. 4 is personal favorite, but 3 fucking rocks.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    GuyWhoGotAHeadache, shut up for a second

    by D.Vader

    Before you get all self-righteous with the venom-spewing, take a second look and realize ThrowMetheIdol was being semi-serious. Otherwise you look like a damn fool.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I was talking to lostboy, who probably has valid points

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    If he'd just calm down.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I love Season 3

    by D.Vader

    I've already said it on this board, but Season 3 is fucking great.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Sawyer's lines

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    "Who's Anakin?" - was funny (especially being a Star Wars fan), but the line "that pilot that looks like he stepped off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie" - was brilliant

  • April 21, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    What made Season 3 so great for me

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    probably had to do with me really liking the Others explanations. It was also interesting that when Ben returned to them, he was much more calm and collected and less "evil" seeming than he became, but it makes sense because he still felt power and control. Season 3 brought up interesting new developments but killed a character off really well and answered a lot of stuff.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Sayid has turned back to the light side

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Desmond is certainly not dead, Sayid is back in the light side, well at least not "soulless" anymore. <p> Seeing his eyes before and after he met with Desmond big difference. Before Sayid looked blank, had no plans, like a robot, now he looks like he has got something planned.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Season 3 was also boom boom boom in the "answer" dept

    by D.Vader

    By that, I mean every week we got some new hint or revelation that seemed to answer something new about the Island, whether we chose to believe it was a lie or truth. For instance, we meet the Flame Station and Patchy. Here for the first time we learn about what happened to the DHARMA Initiative and the Others. Its our first indication that the Others are NOT leftovers from DHARMA, survivors of their attempt at a utopian society that went haywire. <p> We also got our first glimpse of Jacob/MiB, setting the stage for this season. We got the subplot about babies not being born on the Island, we got Ben's backstory for the very first time, we saw Richard didn't age. <p> It was like every week there was some new awesome twist or revelation that deepened the mystery. And of course, it has one of the best season finales of all time.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    lostboytexas, I don't care about your opinions

    by D.Vader

    You're free to express them (and you do), so I don't care whether or not you like the show. What I find extremely annoying is your repeat post spamming, your insults directed at anyone who enjoyed the episode, and your continual antagonizing. None of those behaviors have anything to do with your opinion of the show and all to do with how you want to present yourself to the rest of us.

  • April 21, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Sun and Jin reunion

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    a long time coming, certainly is an understatement, another great emotional moment of the season, hell the series. Knowing the baby was ok, also great. Feels like a lot of bad stuff to come though

  • April 21, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    The Burt Reynolds Quote Was Classic Lost

    by Crow3711

    Manages to surprise you with the funny even in the tensest moments. My personaly favorite funny moment of lost was earlier this season, with Lapidus' "Weirdest damn funeral I ever been to." Followed closely by, "We're not going to Guam, are we?" But really, I don't think any show manages to be so incredibly serious and heady 99% of the time, and then manages to just knock you on your ass with a classic line once every few episodes. Sometimes more. Anakin was also great, but it was one of the less funny Star Wars references throughout lost really, which is awesome. Hurley talking about writing The Empire Strikes Back in 1977 was the fucking bomb. But yes, Miyamoto, the Burt Reynolds quote had me laughing for a good minute. Actually had to rewind cause a missed a few lines right after that. Would have loved to hear Jeff Fahey's reaction to reading that page in the script.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    flash sideways - are people still complaining about them?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    have enjoyed them all season and obviously have stepped up a gear since the Des episode. <p> Still going with the flash sideways being new reality created by the destruction of the island. Still think Jack will be the one to make the decision for it to happen. <p>

  • April 21, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Jeff Fahey - Lapidus has done well to stick around this long

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    He is the pilot, I get that, but agree from an entertainment he has been great value, love his lines and his facial expressions. <p> Really want to see more from these actors, after Lost, but its clear from Flash Forward and V they need decent material to work with

  • April 21, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Poor Lapidus

    by D.Vader

    He has no clue what's going on. He's never seen the Smoke Monster. The only weirdness he's ever noticed has been Desmond going all time-wonky, the Island disappearing, and Locke coming back to life and then seeing his corpse. <p> Other than that, he's just along for the ride bc he's got nothing else going on other than trying to get off the Island. But seeing as how he's the least experienced person there, he's not gonna say too much or get in the way. My friends and I love it.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    the contrast of Claire

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    cute, very white innocent (even though pregnant), dare I say virgin mother looking girl of Flash Sideways v in need of a good bath, looking like some feral animal that is Claire on the island

  • April 21, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Can imagine Frank opening a bar if he survives this

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    "So your friend thinks by doing two shots of Tequila in a row that is some crazy shit ?"

  • April 21, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    further to my last post

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    he would of course be saying this whilst having one of his signature "what the fuck" facial expressions

  • April 21, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Vader, On Lapidus

    by Crow3711

    I get what you're saying that he's never seen the smoke monster, and never really seen a lot of the weird stuff, yet doesn't question, but don't you think he's played it in a way that's like, he just sort of gets it. Even when we first met him, calling the Oceanic Hotline to complain about the pilot not being Seth Norris on tv, it was like...he just sort of knew that nothing about this was right. Like he was always aware there was some strange world he wasn't apart of, and now he was right in the middle of it. Like a believer in conspiracy theories or something. I love it too. I hope they have some sort of small purpose for him in the endgame. What I mean is I don't want him to have a purpose the way Ilana did and serve his time and then get wiped out in a flash. There has to be a reason he survived this long. Same with Miles. What makes them different from Charlotte and Daniel?<br /><br />One thing I have to mention though, is even though I buy the explanation that Christian has always been Flocke traipsing around (if you really break it down, it almost always makes sense...its convenient, but it makes sense, even if Christian did seem to be something very different...it still makes some type of easy sense.) there are still some things about Smokeys behavior that doesn't add up to me. Seth Norris wasn't supposed to be on the island, so Smokey ravaged him, but...why really? Now he says he was trying to help them, leading them to water, etc, which I buy in a sad way, even if its probably not the entire truth, just a part of it, but if he's trying to help people get off the island, why did he feel the need to kill random people sometimes? Why did he chase them through the jungle in the beginning and make them hide in trees, scared for their lives? It's all manipulation, I suppose...but it seems a little inconsistent. Overall, pretty minor gripes though. My biggest gripe on it though, is how did he appear as Christian on the freighter to Michael? He said himself he can't Smoke it over water. Can not fly as Smoke over water, but still mentally plant an image of himself wherever he wants? Very confusing on that one. How did he do that "You can go now, Michael." Probably going to end up being one of the bigger plotholes that I won't be able to explain in my head before the end. Unless Christian turns up again and what he said just wasn't true...which at this point I find an unlikely scenario.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Vikkie

    by Arch Nemesis

    Think about the world around you, the people you've known who are close to you or not, how about for instance the news on tv - people in the world today, unfortunately still in our lifetimes, like to focus on the negative. In other words yes, people just like to complain. Lost is a terrific show, we're lucky to see one like this in a decade.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, Lapidus is in the know, Crow

    by D.Vader

    I just like that he goes with the flow and doesn't put up much of a fuss. I like that about his character.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Pretty solid episode.

    by HoboCode

    Loved the MIB/Jack convo. Loved the moment with Claire and Jack. Loved the Jin/Sun reunion even though it felt slightly tacked on. Loved the Sayid/Des convo. And Jack jumping off the boat and meeting up with Flocke was awesome. Most of all I loved Sawyer's line about Lapidus looking like stepped off the set of a Burt Reynold's flick. God damn I nearly choked on that line.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I think what we all liked about this episode...

    by D.Vader

    Is that it seemed like everyone got equal screentime, like in the good ole days of Season 1. Everyone together.

  • April 21, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Purpose for Lapidus?

    by Flipao

    He's the fucking pilot.

  • April 21, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    WOW, LOST IS doing the "FEARFUL SYMMTERY" FROM WATCHMEN

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Imagine 2 book ends.Season 1 is the book end, and the current season is the other bookend.Everything happening now in the side-flashes is the mirroring the going-on of season 1.I mean, as a piece of fiction/art its brilliant.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    What is

    by Lingerdog

    Widmores motivation? Is he wanting to kill the castaways? to trap smokie, or free him? How does either work? Who is the new Jacob? Was Richard the first candidate?

  • April 21, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Season 3 season finale is the best episode yet

    by JackSlater4

  • April 21, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    MIB paused answering Jack's question

    by wtriker1701

    whether he also appeared as his father. Small pause but recognizable. <p> A lie? I'd think so.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Regarding Lapidus

    by JackSlater4

    I think he is with Flocke and will betray everyone. The pilot was the first one the smoke monster killed and now he has one of his own. Also, in retrospect, his story about a friend who got lost being the reason for joining Widmore's excursion is kinda weak.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    jack or sun

    by JaredP

    either one is the candidate

  • April 21, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    I, too, think that

    by daveyf

    MIB was lying to Jack. Or at the least not telling the whole truth.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    JaredP Sun isn't Candidate material

    by daveyf

    All of the Candidate traveled back in time except her. That's why I think Kate is a wild card.. she's not on MIB's wall but she was in the lighthouse and she did time travel with the gang.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    LOST Hits Series Low!!

    by Dursman2000

    Maybe Herc will start headlines like that. After all, he loves doing it for SMALLVILLE, lol..."Heading in the opposite direction were ABC’s Lost (3.6/9), down 8% for a series low"

  • April 21, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Questions:

    by Frat Boy

    1) If Sayid is really dead inside, does he still feel love for Nadia? Does he feel anything, let alone longing for a lost love? 2) Did they ever explain who dropped those crates of Dharma supplies that parachuted down in an earlier season? Remember that? Who sent it? How was that person able to find the island? 3) Are there any established rules as to who Smokey can become and who he can't become? Was that Smokey as Christian in the sub guiding Michael? Was that Smokey as Alex threatening Ben? I want to like this show, but I am really let down by this season. It's disappointing, too. I had very high hopes.

  • April 21, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Today's Lost fun fact:

    by HoboCode

    Dr. Linus was directed by Mario Van Peebles.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    MiB is NOT Christian

    by KentuckyFriedRogue

    We've been told MiB is "stuck" as Locke...meaning he can't change into another person. The last time we saw Christian was at the Dharma Compound with Sun and Lapidus after the Ajira flight 316 crashed and after MiB had transformed into Locke. Is my time line wrong?

  • April 21, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Kentucky, yes you are wrong

    by Gordon Bombay

    He became stuck as Locke when Jacob died.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Frat Boy

    by HoboCode

    Let me help you out here:<p. 1) We really don't know yet what happened to Sayid when he came back to life. He said he felt dead inside but that doesn't mean he is dead inside or can't feel. but more than likely his chnage of heart is related to the fact that the two realities are bleeding into each other. When Sayid said he felt dead inside he had just shot Keamy and his goons dead. In this latest episdoe he had encountered Nadia again, hence hiss feelings for her may have bled over into the island reality.<p> 2) No they haven't. They may still explain it but more than likely it arrived via some type of wormhole due to the space-time changes happening with the island.<p> 3) There are established rules on who Smokey can become. In fact they said just last night that the person has to be dead before Smokey can take their form. He also apparently is stuck as looking like Locke now. <p> As for the encounter with Michael on the freighter (not the sub) that is up for debate. Flocke technically only said that he appeared to Jack as Christian in White Rabbit which could have been a lie considering his pause before answering. Now whether he is the same cabin/dressed down Christian is another story. Perhaps it was real Christian's ghost like the ones we have seen appear to Hurley, although he was dressed the same when he appeared in the cabin with Claire and when he helped Locke turn the FDW so I'm guessing it was in fact MIB as was the Alex who appeared to Ben. But then how was Smokey able to be on the freighter considering his aversion to water? Or appear to Jack off the island in the flashforwards? These are still unknown.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Well Frat Boy...

    by HoboCode

    I had detailed responses to all your questions but they did not post and I'm too tired to repost them. sorry. fuck you AICN.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Gordon is correct

    by Katet19

    Sun needed a stranger someone who wasnt locke to hit her with the 70's bombshell other wise it's "how the fuck do you know that rocke?" Then ole smokey comes sauntering out as Locke again. He permanently assumed Locke Form when Jacob was killed. As for him being Christian it's true, get over it. They;ve long hinted that the "smoke monster" can become the dead. It's in his interest for them to find water because he needs them alive for his escape into the world endgame. The other GLARING fucking clue which is not a trick (you're over thinking it) is the smoke detector going off after Jack sees Christian in the hospital. He also urged Locke to turn the wheel and move the wheel and island,leave the island and get himself killed all of which serves MIB's plan.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    As far as Walt

    by Katet19

    Walt appearing to Locke was Walt. I always thought it was sort of understood that it had to do with their early connection and Walt's "specialness" (sort of unexplained abilities, willing things to happen on occasion and possibly his odd astral projection).

  • April 21, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Some "Answers" Depend on Who Gives Them

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    As to Whether or Not we Accept Them at Face Value.<br /><br />If Rousseau had said the "Whispers" were the voices of people who had died on the Island we might have thought she was crazy and dismissed it.<br /><br />If Ben or one of the Others had said it, we would have assumed they were lying.<br /><br />When Hurley figures it out and Dead Michael confirms it: we accept it as the Truth.<br /><br />So when some of us question MIB's claim to be Christian, we have excellent reasons for doing so.We have no reason to trust him or assume he's telling the truth. And when a creature who says he can't travel across water

  • April 21, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Oops! Continued

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    When a creature who says he's been trapped on the Island and can't travel in smoke form across water also tells you he appeared as your dead father on the Island, and you've also seen your dead father thousands of miles away in LA: he's either lying about being trapped or he's lying about "being" your father.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    nobody outside of Margaritaville

    by zooch

    knows how special Frank Lapidus is.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Good point cymbalta

    by D.Vader

  • April 21, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    MIB as Christian

    by HoboCode

    flocke really only confirmed that it was him in white Rabbit, didn't he? Or did he say it was him every time?

  • April 21, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    MiB only said that one time 3 days after the crash

    by D.Vader

    And only after Jack pretty much told him time and place. <p> "Yeah, sure I was there..." <p> Much harder if Jack had said "Have you ever been my dad? If so, when and where?"

  • April 21, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Another fantastic episode!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and I am sad that this show will be finished in a month. <p> :-( </p> Oh well, it was good while it lasted!

  • April 21, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    MIB/Christian

    by dodgethis27

    I think this late in the game we have to assume that if something seems to be an answer then it probably is. For the writers to still be dicking us around with characters not telling the truth about things they KNOW we want answers to doesnt seem right. Maybe the lie involved here has something to do with MIB not being able to leave the island but that wouldnt make much sense either.

  • April 21, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Good Episode

    by _Maltheus_

    But yeah, they have to explain the off island Christian thing. And Sawyer's plan seems a little stupid so far, so hopefully that means we haven't hit the payoff there yet.<br /> <br /> And WTF is up with Jack? He made no move to rescue his sister and then when she was coming along, he ditched her. I get that she's a little crazy now, but she's hardly past the point of giving up on.<br /> <br /> So does the fact that Smokey needed Sayid to kill Desmond mean that Desmond is the new Jacob?

  • April 21, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    There's still PLENTY of time for their to be lies and twists

    by D.Vader

    Jeebus, some of you act like with 5 hours left to go, its impossible for there to be a twist of any sort? Give me a break. <p> All it takes is for Christian to show back up and BOOM! Surprise! MiB was lying! <p> So far, we have NO confirmation if MiB has ever truly lied to the LOSTies, so its still safe for one to assume he's lying about being Christian. Let's not call someone a pariah bc they think that when there's good evidence to support the theory that MiB is a lying sack of shit

  • April 21, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    KentuckyFried

    by Crow3711

    Jacob wasn't dead at that point. Since the moment Jacob died, we haven't seen Locke be able to change into anything except his monster form. All the Christian stuff makes sense, in my opinion. The only exception is when he appears on the freighter to Michael and says "You can go now" because he already stated he can't just float across the water as the monster, so how did he manifest on the freighter? <br /><br />To get back to your question though, I know they never expressly stated Jacobs death was the reason he could no longer change shapes, but it seemed implied. I think we all sort of came to this conclusion together when Ilana and Ben were talking about it in the first few weeks of the season, no?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    He didn't say it was him every time. Just the one Jack asked about.<br /><br />Christian on the Freighter with Michael is what leads me to believe Christian is a seperate entity of his own.<br /><br />I can accept MIB taking that form on the Island to manipulate his "children" Jack or Claire. Or to communicate with Locke or Hurley or Sun and Lapidus. Christian comes across as a Voice of Authority, and John Terry makes him seem believable in any context. <br /><br />But to Michael, Christian is just some random old white guy appearing out of the blue. And to MIB Michael is just one of Jacob's failed Candidates. And if he can't float over to Hydra Island, why is he going to the freighter for 30 seconds to tell Michael it's okay to blow up? Much less go all the way to LA? What purpose does that serve?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    It was Island manifestation of Christian

    by D.Vader

    That's my explanation. The same way Eko saw Ana-Lucia with a gunshot wound on the beach. I don't believe that was Smokey bc what did that serve? And can Smokey teleport? Bc she was just suddenly there outta the blue. Though I guess Yemi sorta disappeared too, right... I guess Smokey does have a habit of being able to disappear.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by HoboCode

    Yeah. The problem is that the Christian that appeared to Michael on the freighter appeared to be the same Christian from the cabin with Claire, and the one who appeared to Sun, and the one that appeared to john at the FDW. they were all dressed down in the same brown shirt and pants, right? All of three of those instances reek of Smokey. Then there is the one that appeared off island who was i nthe suit again. so even if they are two separate entities, the suit Christian White Rabbit still appeared to manifest off the island.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Cymbalta

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    "And when your wife, on your honeymoon, tells you to cock her. You better cock her!"

  • April 21, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Or Jack was going crazy from stress...

    by D.Vader

    In the hospital I mean. Or, Island manifestation to get him to come back.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    CHECK OUT THIS PIC . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    http://tinyurl.com/y2ghnoc It's from Wired magazine. HUGE SPOILERS next episode if correct.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I Think BOTH Things are True. Always Have.

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Some "Ghosts" have been MIB assuming the forms of Dead People.<br /><br />Some Ghosts are the Actual People they Appear to Be.<br /><br />I've said this over and over again. But it's still confusing to some people.<br /><br />Hurley can see and speak to dead people. When Charlie and Ana Lucia appeared to Hurley in LA: that was really Charlie and Ana Lucia. If you think it's MIB's secret plot: then why was Mr. Eko (unseen) playing checkers with Hurley? What point does that make? And Michael explaining the Whispers obviously wasn't MIB.<br /><br /> AB AETERNO should have made it clear to everyone. TWO ISABELLAS. One was FAKE: the MIB in the past jerking Richard around as part of his scheme. And the other, in the present where MIB can no longer appear as anyone but Locke, was the REAL Isabella, telling Hurley what to say to bring Richard back from the brink.<br /><br />Mark my Words: MIB may have been a fake Christian on occasion. But the Real Christian still has a role to play. I just have that feeling.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    My point is...

    by dodgethis27

    there have been enough twists already. Twists on something this late in the game on something that has been an ongoing thread through the whole series seems like too much to me. Maybe I'm the only one.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by HoboCode

    so how come the other nut with Hulrey at Santa rosa could see Charlie too?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    and the Canidate is..

    by dudemandude

    Desmond. He is taking over for Jacob by awakening people in the ALT time, "touching" them like Jacob did. He will stay on the island. This is why he was brought in the 1st place. Why Whitmore was hard on him. Why he was pushing the button for so long. Why he can survive the electromagnetic radiation. All to prepare him for his role.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Youguysgotanymilk

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    But what should I do if YOUR wife tells me that on YOUR honeymoon? :)

  • April 21, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    That was okay

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Things moved at a pace and the pieces came together ready for the end game. The writing must have been better this week because the mechanical movement of Person A to position B wasn't as noticable.<br /><br />Jack actually did the right thing by getting everybody to the boat and then did the stupid thing by jumping off BUT he had a clear rationale for why he was doing that and I can sympathise with his thinking. Jack is becoming less of an ass every week.<br /><br />I liked the Sun and Jin reunion and the drama of them reuniting at the fence ( and you wondering whether they would be fried) was a clever bit of tension.<br /><br />Fordy boy was excellent in this episode--he's probably one of the better actors in the show---or maybe he gets to express a bigger range of emotion.<br /><br />Unless I blinked I didn't see Sayid fire a shot int his episode but he did in the trailer...naughty naughty.<br /><br />Couple of dodgy notes : Again with he perfunctory explanations:<br /><br />To paraphrase Jack : " So you needed a dead body to impersonate Locke"<br /><br />Replilocke: "Thats Right"<br /><br />Really...thats your explanation..bit more depth to that little super power or rule might help. Its a bit like..."I need the six of you to get off the Island"...wonder if that is just another convenient rule or we'll ever get an explanation for it.<br /><br />How Desmond got Claire into the lawyers office bewilders me...in her position I'd have told him to stop his "fucking stalking" at the reception desk.<br /><br />Oh I could have groaned out loud when Widmores bunch pulled their guns..can no-one play straight with each other for five minutes.<br /><br />But make no mistake this was a good episode..roll on the next one. <br />

  • April 21, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Best line

    by deelzbub

    "Freckles, you ready to get wet?"<p> Thought I was watchin porn for a sec

  • April 21, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I Hope Vader

    by Crow3711

    But we still have no proof that the Island itself has an ability to present itself in that way. It's been hinted at, and it feels right, like it would make a ton of things make sense, but we still don't really have any proof of that. I hope it comes out that way though. And as far as Smokey being able to appear and disappear in random places like that, there is a bit of precedent for it, because like I pointed out a few weeks ago, in Ab Aeterno, we see him manifest as Isabella inside the black rock talking to Richard, before he tells her to run away because it sounds like the smoke monster is approaching from outside the ship (chains, whistles, etc) So clearly he is able to be in two places at once in some sense. She doesn't just disappear into thin air, but I think the fact he can be manifesting as someone in one spot, and still be the smoke monster making noises and stuff in another spot, is significant.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Cymbalta

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    If she tells you that then you have my permision to cock her. <p> Its from the movie Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller. The way you wrote your post reminded me of that. That qupte always makes me laugh.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    You might as well ask why Sawyer & Desmond can see the rapidly aging apparition that's stalking MIB.<br /><br />Answer: IT'S REAL!

  • April 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I've been harping about the Christian conundrum

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    for weeks now. The only way to really explain it at this point is that Flocke wasn't always Christian. Christian is just another island ghost. Flocke did take over his body, we can't dispute that. And I don't know, did he really say or imply that he was Christian the whole time? Really only in the specific instance of Jack needing to find water. <p> And I guess the reason he killed the original pilot, and chased people around was to keep everyone on their toes. And the reason he killed Eko is because the actor wanted off the show. Unfortunately. Biggest missed opportunity ever. And what did he go on to do... GI JOE!?! </p>

  • April 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    2LeggedFreak

    by HoboCode

    There shouldn't have been any tension for you about Sun and Jin being fried. Just before that scene we see Zoe radio somone to have them shut down the fence and you immediately hear it powering down.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Skid Mark--->Wired pic

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    I checked out the pic. what was the spoiler you mentioned?? Maybe i missed something. Did you mean who was centric for that episode?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Jack jumping off the boat

    by deelzbub

    1st time I've identified w/ the character. Finally went with his gut w/o whining or breaking something!

  • April 21, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Crow, MiB totally left the shot when he changed from

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Isabella to Smoke. He didn't need to keep her form to have her scream. I mean, either way makes sense ultimately.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by MachThree

    Agree completely. MiB taking on the form of dead people, and ghosts appearing to Hurley and others have been separate things.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    And while I kinda understand it, it's ultimately cowardly of

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Damon and Carlton to go off the grid after the show ends. Stand by your work! The only reason you couldn't is because it's not something you're proud of! <p> You can't tell me that you don't want to have to deal with the people who aren't satisfied, there are always people who aren't satisfied about everything, and the people they're pissed off at still end up showing up to Comic-Con. </p>

  • April 21, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Well Crow, my proof for Island manifestations...

    by D.Vader

    Come from the dreams Locke and others have had. Locke has dreamed about people he's never met- Eko's brother Yemi and Horace Goodspeed. We've never seen anything that suggests Jacob or MiB have the potential to influence someone's dreams (it is possible), but I've always chalked those instances up to the Island's doing.

  • April 21, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Last night's episode...

    by Sick Fixx

    If only the entire series could have been like Last Recruit, Everybody Loves Hugo, Lighthouse and Ab Aeterno, I would never have given this show the hard time I did. Unfortunately, most of these six seasons has been trash like The Package. I believe this show didn't really get going until the final season, which is a shame, because now I can say it's something I appreciate. But the other five seasons? Not so much...

  • April 21, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with The Package?

    by HoboCode

    It was one of my favorites this season. Fucking Keamy and Mikhail back as gangsters? Come on. What's not to love?

  • April 21, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Can't please everybody all the time.

    by D.Vader

    But to call it "trash"? That's a bit hyperbolic, don'tcha think?

  • April 21, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Mib Down Under

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Remember the Tom Selleck/laura San giacomo movie "Quigley down Under"? Here's a spoiler for the ending: Rifleman Quigley, captured and beaten, is given a pistol and challenged to a duel. He draws and kills both the bad guys henchmen, then shoots the villain. as the bad guy dies Quigley tells him "I said i didn't have much use for pistols, I never said I didn't know how to use one." <br /> <br /> I'd love a scene where NonLocke/MIB comes marching up out of the sea to confront Widmore.<br /> Widmore: "But... I thought you couldn't cross open water without a boat!"<br /> NonLocke: "I can't cross open water in my smoke form. I never said I can't swim, I just don't like to."

  • April 21, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    The Dreams Is A Good Point

    by Crow3711

    I thought about that too. Didn't Ben say at one point "I used to have dreams." But then also, sort of recanted on that later saying Jacob nor the island ever really spoke to him? Am I remembering something wrong?

  • April 21, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Smokey specifially states he needed Locke to die

    by RPLocke

    So he could take his body - then how does that explain Richard's wife. Ben's Mom, Jack's Dad, etc.

  • April 21, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    No Crow you're remembering right

    by D.Vader

    Ben said he used to have dreams. He's seen his dead mother. <p> But he never spoke to Jacob and never got to meet the guy.

  • April 21, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, Smokey needed Locke's body so that...

    by D.Vader

    He could pretend Locke had come back from the dead once the plane landed. Has nothing to do with Isabella or Ben's mom. Hell, that's why Richard was so confused as to where he was. "Why is Isabella here?" <p> With Locke's body brought back to the Island, everyone could chalk it up to Island magic/miracle/proof Locke is the chosen one. And then everyone will trust him and follow him. And it worked.

  • April 21, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    This episode was good, but not the best this season

    by hst666

    This episode is not as good as Everybody Loves Hugo, Happily Ever After, Ab Aeterno, or Dr. Linus. However, I liked it even if it was mostly set-up.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Vader - Jack/Christian in the hospital

    by Lamerz

    Or it was one of Smokie's agents on the outside (does he have agents on the outside?). Maybe like Eloise? She seems to have timeshifting ability and special knowledge. Can she shapeshift too?

  • April 21, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Didn't we see Sayid shoot in trailer?

    by austinguy

    In the trailer for this episode, isn't there a quick shot where Sayid pulls the trigger on Desmond, and you see muzzle flash? That was not in the broadcast episode ...

  • April 21, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah a promo-only red-herring (Sayid's gunshot)

    by D.Vader

    If you watch the promo again, you can see there is no recoil on the gun.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by RPLocke

    I think Smokey was Yemi, when he appeared to Echo. But the others could have been Jacob too. I wonder if it will be revealed that Jacob is the manifestations, and Smokey is just really smoke.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I assume Widmore found the Island thanks to Eloise

    by D.Vader

    And I believe the promo was talking about the Man in Black. He's been alone for hundreds of years. I think its driven him mad. <p> What I dig about the promo though is its connection and references to Apocalypse Now, what with the idea of someone going mad in the jungle, its imagery of the bald commander (Locke being Col. Kurtz) and the fleeting glimpses of the phrase "The Horror" being flashed onscreen during the final montage. I dig it. There have been some great promos this season.

  • April 21, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Claire told us Christian and Flocke are seperate...

    by poopoohumor

    ...way back when she was talking to Jin in her camp.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    I'm sure Union Jack The Eternal Fool appreciates you plagarizing his work.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Sayid - foiled by a garden hose

    by RPLocke

    Nice job Sawyer.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    poopoohumor

    by RPLocke

    Claire could have been lying to Jack to get him to come along. She didn't have to lie to Jin cause he was already tied up.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by poopoohumor

    Completely agree with you. She was telling the truth to Jin. Christian and Locke are (most of the time) serperate entities. But I do think MIB has appeared as Christian. But it seemed MIB was lying to Jack when he said he was Christian. The hesitation and uncertainty on his face spoke volumes. A similar look to when MIB sees those ghost kids in the jungle.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ah lostboytexas, so I was not wrong...

    by D.Vader

    In drawing connections to Apocalypse Now! Nice detective work there.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Flocke's look of unease and hesitation...

    by D.Vader

    The same thing happened when he tried to convince Sayid to join his side. "What if I could tell you you could have anything?" <p>Sayid: "I'd say the only thing I ever wanted is gone." <p> Flocke looks around uncomfortably trying to find something he can offer. <p> That same look of unease and hesitation. Also why I think Smokey is lying about being Christian all the time.

  • April 21, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by MachThree

    He didn't say Locke had to be dead for him to take his body - he said Locke had to be dead in order for him to appear as Locke. Big difference. Smokey never took Locke's body - Ilana, Sun, Ben, Lapidus, et al. buried Locke's body in the 2nd or 3rd episode of this season. Smokey had been appearing as Locke well before then (ever since Ajira 316 crash).

  • April 21, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Ben killed Locke in the Jeremy Bentham

    by RPLocke

    episode. That's when Smokey took over Locke.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    lostboytexas, hearing that song in The End would be great

    by D.Vader

    It would make me so happy to hear "The End" during "The End". Sorta like hearing Hendrix's version of "All Along the Watchtower" in the finale to BSG (despite what anyone thinks of the finale, I do love that song). <p> See, now you're making the talkback fun again =).

  • April 21, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Here's why the Locke Monster wasn't lying:

    by Stabby

    Michael's ghost said that the 'whispers' were lost souls trapped on the island such as himself who died within the island's radius. Christian's soul would have been long gone by the time his body arrived at the island unless you believe that a soul stays within the body until it is buried. MIB posed as Christian to help Locke turn the donkey wheel and get off the island. Locke mentioning to Jack that he saw his father on the island was one of the main reasons jack decided to go back. All part of MIB's plan.

  • April 21, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I'm not 100% convinced that...

    by rosasaks

    The scenes in Tenerife were not flash sideways. In which case it is possible in the original time line Isabella did come to the island on the Black Rock (she and Richard wanted to start a family in the new world.) and Richard doesn't get what he wants in the LA X in 1867 because he sides against MIB on the island. This would also allow the scene with Jacob and MIB at the start of the Incident to be the very first flash sideways scene, preparing for the island story in the timeline where it ultimately ends up underwater (after the events set in motion with the bomb and Jacob's death and the aftermath playing out now.) I don't think this idea is entirely far fetched, but concede it may well not be the direction they take. Some more out there speculation? Could Isabella be the crazy mother character somehow? <p> Anyway, whether Isabella was real, smoke, or whispers, or some combination, it's clear Christian was a mixture too. And it makes zero sense for MIB to have appeared as Christian to Frank and Sun at the Dharma village at the end of Namaste when in The Life And Death of Jeremy Benthem "Locke" is clearly on the Hydra island with Ilana and co. It makes zero sense for MIB to take the form of Christian sometime prior to 1867 when Locke turns the frozen donkey wheel - not when MIB is on the island from 2004 to 2007 with Claire and doesn't go time flashing, and at the time of... well Christian's dead body doesn't arrive on the island until 2004. So that flat out needs explaining, either way, whoever it is, MIB or Christian. While you're at it, explain Christian in the Cabin. Explain Christian on the Freighter. Explain why we haven't seen the MIB who says Jacob stole his body and his soul on the island in modern times. Explain why Christian's body is missing in the LA X and on the island in 2004. Explain the hallucinations in 2007. Again, some of these things can be explained. But can you explain all of them? There's more of the story to come. <p> Also worth reiterating, the close up shot of Richard's eye on the Black Rock after he was scanned by the Smoke Monster and some time seems to have elapsed - very reminiscent of the first shot of Jack after 815 crashed, which began the series. So again, I wonder if Jack was scanned by Smokey immediately prior to the series starting. Maybe, maybe, we'll get to see this from Christian's point of view. The crash. People scoff the idea of a Vincent centric. It won't be, as such. But Vincent would have been in the cargo hold... with Christian's coffin. Again, this may not be the direction they take at all. But it would have been interesting if the reason we didn't see that actor all year was because structurally they need the character to link the story of the finale to the story of the pilot. I think Isabella in Ab Aeterno set up elements of what they're going to do in the second microcosm of the whole series episode Across The Sea with MIB and Jacob, which sets up what the deal is with Christian, which sets up actually revealing the whole story in the finale with John Locke.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Locke Monster's plan Con'd:

    by Stabby

    By posing as Locke, the chosen one, MIB was able to convince Ben to kill Jacob and gain access to Jacob from Richard. The loophole was MIB posing as on of the Candidates. Why MIB continues to pose as Locke, I do not know. Probably because everyone knows him and he was the new leader of the Others. But, he does not have to.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    He stole my body and my soul...

    by rosasaks

    This is unresolved. And Locke could certainly say the same thing about MIB today. Did MIB once look like Jacob does now? Vice versa? Somehow, you have to fit Christian into that equation. Maybe. So another possibility would be that sometimes Christian was MIB, sometimes he was Jacob. It could be that the ghosts are aligned with Jacob. The smoke manifestations with MIB. That boy in the jungle appeared first as a dreadful vision, second as a real live kid. Two forms. Again, not yet explained. Also, factor in Desmond here, who is suddenly behaving a bit like Jacob. Except actually there's a big difference, as Jacob spoke about not really stepping in much, whereas Desmond is very much getting his hands dirty. So could Christian at some point have filled a Desmond role? An outside possibility isn't that Desmond is Jacob's replacement, but he's MIB's replacement - and MIB does not want to be replaced, he wants to go home. Desmond is in league with Jacob to stop that. Desmond and Christian represent the early significance of the plane crash and the hatch and are going to be key plot points in tying things together. We have that symmetry with the coffins and everything else, and the reveal about vision that first time and going to water... probably 100% true, except it omits what else there is to tell. Because we have these dualities. This passing of the white and black stones between MIB and Jacob. This suggestion that they have at times betrayed each other or somehow swapped places. This is symbolised previously in the cabin - yet unexplained, but directly alluded to by Desmond's electromagnetic shack. And Christian was in the cabin. With Jacob? With MIB? There's more to this. MIB, Jacob, Locke, Desmond, Christian, and whoever the candidate is (Jack?) would make six, so either three iterations of two, or two iterations of three island forces. These characters are tied up together, and some will be used to foreshadow the fates of those that follow. But it's not going to be given neatly to us in a bow with back story. It will set up us being shown THE END in a dramatised fashion with the last occupants of the island powers. There will be unexpected reversals.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Good to see that Lapidus remains invaluable

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Looks like someone got their voice back." GEE, THANKS TIPS!!

  • April 21, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Lost is really Field Of Dreams

    by RPLocke

  • April 21, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    by rosasaks

    Ab Aeterno gave us in a nutshell what can happen when Jacob and MIB squabble over new arrivals. It revealed some answers and no doubt set up future plots. Richard is left standing and they go round again. We'd previously been given an indication of other examples such as the French scientists, the Nigerian drug smugglers... 815 appears to be the most significant iteration, where the candidate business may get settled and Jacob and MIB's fates decided. My guess is the Across the Sea episode, whatever else it does, may give us at least one more microcosmic snapshot of an iteration of the game on a past occasion, setting up what may or may not happen in the finale. Plenty of tension and red herrings, no doubt. Something to consider, with all these kids in the LA X... might we somehow get the LA X story of the "present" intercut with some kind of island future story, not telling the story of how it got submerged, but what happens after it gets raised? Some of the character we saw arrive on 815 come full circle, not by showing us that crash again, but some other island arrival, in which the characters we know are now the island mythology, deciding their fates? Christian was in this position in the pilot. Might Aaron and David end up on the island in the finale? Not in the past as some speculated, but the future? Or is that an extra layer of story too far for the time they have left? But it wouldn't surprise me if the current story lines get played out not on the island, but in the LA X scenes of the finale. But there's a new fracture of the narrative, as there always is, with some new island time line, peculiar to the finale?

  • April 21, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by rosasaks

    Yes! I posted at length about Field of Dreams a few weeks ago having happened to catch it on TV one weekend. Definitely elements common to both.

  • April 21, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Why did Christian tell Locke to say hi to his son?

    by rosasaks

    If it wasn't Christian and if Locke didn't know who Christian's son was?

  • April 21, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Stabby

    by paburrows

    He's still in the form of Locke because he stuck that way. Illana said it 4 or 5 episodes ago.

  • April 21, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Death of Jeremy Bentham, Widmore

    by Sick Fixx

    Widmore's line 'Because there's a war coming, John. And if you're not back on the island, the wrong side will win.' Was he talking about the real John Locke or the body of John Locke that's walking around now?

  • April 21, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Rosaks, he told him to tell his son hi because....

    by D.Vader

    It was a way for Locke to get Jack to follow him and listen to him.

  • April 21, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I kinda hope the Sideways guys come to the island

    by RPLocke

    at the end, so the Losties see their "alternate selves", and decide if they want to follow that life.

  • April 21, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    You Don't Have to Die on the Island

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    to be seen as a Ghost there.<br /><br />Ben saw his Mother's ghost while he was a child in Dharmaville, and she died shortly after giving birth to him in Oregon.<br /><br />The many Ghosts who have appeared to different people on LOST need to be explained, but it may just be another weird element that is never spelled out completely.

  • April 21, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    No new episode next week

    by severianx1

    WTF is up with that bullshit? Pulling that kind of shit at this stage of the game is a slap in the face of Lost fans. Fucking assholes. What lameass excuse could they possibly have?

  • April 22, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but we're getting pop up video Ab Aeterno

    by Tall_Boy66

    Look, if there's any episode that deserves to be re-aired, it's Ab Aeterno next week, so I'll take a week wait. there's gonna be another week long wait before the final episode airs May 23 so better get used to it. Not all that bad, though, remember the month long gap in Season 3? I mean, come on.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I mean, MONTHS long gap

    by Tall_Boy66

    In season 3. That kinda sucked.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Oh we ARE getting Ab Aeterno again?

    by D.Vader

    Thank god. I was fucking pissed ABC decided to show more of that bitch Kate Gosselin on Dancing With the Stars instead of the pop-up Ab Aeterno episode that week.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    rosasaks: regarding cabin and jacob/MiB

    by onezeroone

    I think it was settled that MiB was in cabin all along. I mean between ash around cabin and "Who is under the shadow of statue" we can safely deduce that Jacob wasn't in the Cabin, MiB was... unless someone got a shotgun to blow hole in this theory.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Pilot following Sun around...

    by SuperMotherBug

    ...Lapidus, right? I'm kind of surprised that they gave him a name, since all he seems to do is stand in the corner of the frame and follow Sun around. <p> ...Speaking of whipped, are they maybe uh, hinting toward Jack's son being psychic? That nod he gave his dad, pushing Jack to stutter into extending their time together... My first thought was that Jack was still the pansy he had developed into in the "alternate timeline," but maybe the kid is like, another Walt? Maybe? I should probably finish the episode...

  • April 22, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    Well Im wondering about Ben's Mom

    by paburrows

    Maybe that was MIB, because didn't he only see her on the outside of the Sonic Fence? Maybe MIB saw some potential in Little Ben to be someone that would cause a lot of Trouble for Dharma if he lead him out to where he would happen to run into Richard. MIB probably had thought that Dharma was something to be gotten rid of.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Actually Vader

    by paburrows

    I had the TV on early to wait for Lost to come on and you'll be happy to hear that, that horrible Kate Gosslin just got kicked off that show.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    6 years in and we just don't know a lot

    by RPLocke

    about what's going on. We know Locke is dead (?) and Smokey took the form of Locke. We know the whispers are dead people who couldn't move on. But, move on from what? We don't know why the island keeps bringing people back and not letting people die off island.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Ben saw his mother outside his bedroom window

    by D.Vader

    He ran outside and then saw her on the other side of the fence. Sooooo... yeah, dunno what that means. <p> And I do agree that MiB saw DHARMA as something to get rid of. Despite his hatred of Jacob, I think he really did agree with Jacob on some aspects of the Island. IE, it wasn't for strangers.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    PaBurrows, I am so happy to hear that

    by D.Vader

    God I hate her. Did I ever tell you guys I worked on that show? Their show I mean, not Dancing With the Stars. She was a horrible person to everyone around her. Good riddance.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:33 a.m. CST

    re Frank, had the best line about him, but he said the worst lin

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Said previously normally love Frank's comments and the comment Sawyer said about Frank was the best line of the episode. <p> However the line Frank said something like "I think someone got their voice back" when sun and Jin reunited would have been one of the worst line of the season. Should have been edited out. <p>

  • April 22, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I"m pissed off that I've wasted five years for this

    by GQtaste

    bullshit were ending up with. I've dug every yr just about but I hate this last season w/ a passion. This fucking guys didn't know how to rap this up. It's apparent and will go down as the biggest cocktease show of all time sadly! Some of you dudes would be content with any type of story. They're giving us dogshit for christsake.

  • April 22, 2010, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Jack so jumped of that damn boat!!

    by BillboeFett

    FUCK YOU SAWYER!!

  • April 22, 2010, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Sawyer called Locke Colonel Kurtz in s4

    by BillboeFett

    New Otherton, around the time Claire got nailed with the Keamy bomb

  • April 22, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Vader

    by paburrows

    Yeah my wife loved that show. Reguardless of all of the horrible things that he did she just treated he like garbage, she didn't seem like a good person. What did you do on that show?

  • April 22, 2010, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Christian's first appearance

    by sharpie

    When Christian appeared for the very first time in pilot, wasn't he standing knee-deep in the water? Given that, and all the other things that don't make sense with Christian's appearances, I'm pretty sure the MIB was lying

  • April 22, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST

    False rumor refuted.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I never saw this mentioned and don't know how many of you heard about it.<br /> In an interview Zuleikha Robinson was asked if her character, Ilana, had a last name and she said she wasn't sure but seemed to recall that it was... and gave a name that would have shed some interesting light on Ilana's motivations for being on the Island, if she was right.<br /> Since it would or might have constituted a spoi ler I never mentioned it here except very obliquely in a one word post with the topic line "Radzinsky?"<br /> As it tuns out, though, she was wrong. Though it's hard to make out even after repeated listenings, when Desmond takes Claire to meet Widmore's lawyer, at one point Ilana is referred to as Miss Verdansky.<br /> <br /> Zuleikha Robinson played Ilana Verdansky, not, as was falsely rumored, Ilana Radzinsky, possible daughter of the Radzinsky from Widmore's freighter. <br /> <br /> Nothing to see here folks, move along. Just thought that should be cleared up for anyone else who read that interview or heard that rumor.

  • April 22, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    The smoke monster was out and about...

    by rosasaks

    while someone was trapped in the cabin. So that needs clearing up.

  • April 22, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Cindy sighting

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I saw Cindy and the children in Herc's cast list. They didn't make a large appearance unless you were looking for them.<br /> Once MIB's group are on the march, Cindy is in line behind Frank Lapidus, towards the tail end of the group. At one point NonLocke puts his hand on her shoulder. The camera cuts to a one shot of him but a woman's voice delivers one line of dialogue: presumably Cindy's only line of the episode, delivered from off screen. <br /> Zach appears to be one of the persons in line behind Cindy. I didn't spot Emma but presumably she was the obscured person directly behind Cindy and hopefully got paid for the appearance. <br /> <br /> Which raised the question of why Sawyer and his rag tag band of rebels are so willing to abandon Cindy, Zach and Emma.<br /> The fact is, the children were taken by the Others the first night after the crash of Flight 815 and Cindy was taken by The Others when she was the last person in line when the tailies were marching to the Lostie beach settlement. <br /> It is possible that Sawyer, Hurley, Kate and Sun are not even aware that Cindy and the kids were ever on Flight 815. When they met at the Temple Cindy and the kids were fairly well Stockholm syndrome adapted to their lives as members of the Others community. So James, Kate, Frank, Hugo and Sun probably think that Cindy, Zach and Emma are Others.<br /> Jack, of course, recognized Cindy at the Temple and remembers her from the extra bottle of vodka on the flight. It's not certain if he or any of the main Losties ever talked to Cindy at the Temple or later at NonLocke's various encampments. <br /> So Ford and his merry mutineers cannot be held morally responsible for abandoning Cindy and the children. <br /> And, of course, Jack can't be blamed for abandoning them either, because he chose to go back. <br /> <br /> Cindy, Zach and Emma did not appear to be visible in the group on the beach with NonLocke during Widmore's missile bombardment. It is possible that some of NonLocke's Others were caught in the blast that hurled NonLocke and Jack off their feet. There was one Other in the background to the left of the explosion who remained standing, too far back to be blown over. He appeared to be unhurt. <br /> <br /> As Locke picked up Jack and headed for the treeline, there was a second explosion seen, too far from the Other to have hurt anyone else. While Mib is talking to Jack a third explosion if heard from offscreen. As the episode ended at that point, it is possible that the bombardment could continue until all of the remaining Others, including Cindy and the children, are killed. <br /> <br /> It's also not known how much time transpired between the time that the first explosion killed Jack and he was resurrected with hearing damage, IF that's what happened. The rest of the Others could have been killed while Jack was "out".

  • April 22, 2010, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Zoe needs subtitles or better miking.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Two questions came up in this talkback, both based on people not understanding things Zoe said.<br /> You have to rewind it a few times and crank the volume, but she does give an order via walkie-talkie to shut off the fence before Sun and Jin even see one another. <br /> And while speaking with Widmore before the missiles are fired, she does verify they have a clear line of sight on him. <br /> <br /> I just skimmed the whole talkback but without rereading it word for word I coudn't find the comment I was looking for, but I recall someone mentioning the episode didn't end on a cliffhanger. <br /> <br /> Well, um, James, Kate, Hugo, Sun, Jin and Frank are on their knees on the beach held at gunpoint about two syllables away from being executed. Those two syllables could be "Kill them" or "Shoot them" or "Fire" but as far as I can tell the only think stopping Zoe from saying them is the fact that she's a geophysicist and not a mercenary. <br /> <br /> Also, both Claire and NonLocke have told Jack that he's with NonLocke now. Yet Jack's motive for staying seems to be to go against whatever MIB's plan is. Or, it was before the explosion. Did Jack die and become resurrected the same way Sayid was. And, once claimed and the darkness spreads, is it possible to come back away from the dark side like Anikin and as both Sayid and Claire seem to have given hints to doing? <br /> <br /> Is there any chance Sayid killed Desmond? I still doubt it. <br /> Did NonLocke believe that Sayid killed Desmond? Sayid smiled before he said "Go check if you don't believe me" a standard "tell" for when someone is lying. And NonLocke stared at him and squinted, a standard acting cliche to indicate doubt.<br /> <br /> Of course if we go back to Seinfeld's Samaritan Law and willful indifference, than it is possible that Sayid believe he did kill Desmond: if you find an injured person stuck in a deep well and you don't offer to help them out,you are at least partially responsible for their eventual death, no?

  • April 22, 2010, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Jin and Sawyer must remember Cindy from the tail section

    by rosasaks

  • April 22, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Jesus-- this show's gotten SO ridiculously bad

    by Laserhead

    It's what happens when you start a journey with no idea where you're going. All the sci-fi stuff out the window, it now becomes outright fantasy, and every mystery is answered through a continuity-breaching fantasy. Smokezilla's a character. 'Nuff said.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    DESMOND IS JACOB'S REPLACEMENT!

    by Maniaq

    it was ALT-Desmond in the ALT-verse that went around laying his hands on everyone -and on-island Desmond has been behaving EXACTLY like Jacob since he got zapped by the EM...

  • April 22, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I agree maniaq

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Been thinking the same thing.

  • April 22, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    When Jack ask's Flock "Who are you"

    by Dhaemon

    FLOCK says..."You know who I am"... <br> <br> <br> No we fucking don't. Nobody does. Jack doesn't and we don't.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    You know who I am Jack..

    by daveyf

    First day of the crash, in the cockpit. I went in to say Hi but you guys ran like a bunch of bitches.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    No, Rosaks, no proof that anyone was trapped in the cabin

    by D.Vader

    We never saw all of that ash circle. Its possible he was trapped there for awhile, but the presence of Smokey and walking dead people suggests MiB was living there but was no longer trapped.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    And Flocke never says "You know who I am."

    by D.Vader

    Jack says "I don't have any idea of what you are." <p> And Flocke responds with something like "Sure you do." <p> And sorry, Dhaemon, but they DO know he's the Smoke Monster.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Boy Widmore is a complete dick

    by D.Vader

    Killing women and children! His OWN PEOPLE too! <p> Asshole of the highest order.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by daveyf

    If you'd have to stop the world from ending.. you'd probably do worse.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I just don't believe that's what Widmore wants, though Daveyf

    by D.Vader

    I mean, to stop the world ending, does he really need to kill the Ajira survivors (which I believe he did)? Does he really need to kill Sawyer and the LOSTies? Does he really think bombing Smokey is going to hurt him? <p> I just don't buy that Widmore really wants to save the world. He just wants that Island.

  • April 22, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Dhaemon

    He's more than a Smoke Monster, he must have some sort of name.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Question for you guys RE: Smokey as Christian

    by slone13

    I was sure Fake Locke/Smokey was lying to Jack when he said he had taken on the guise of Jack's dad. But if he really wasn't using Christian's body, then how would Fake Locke/Smokey have known that Christian had led Jack to the fresh water source like he said?

  • April 22, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Dhaemon, his name is Aaron

    by Stabby

    hence his affection for Claire and his story that he had an insane Mother too.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    rosasaks

    by MachThree

    I guess we can assume someone was trapped in the cabin by the ash when Locke and Ben first went there (presumably the ash encircled the cabin completely even though of course we weren't shown that). Later we saw that the ash had been broken. So we don't know when the ash circle was established, and we also don't know exactly when it was broken. So I'm not sure if Smokey running around the island while the ash circle was there doesn't make sense, because we don't know precisely when the ash circle was there or if it was really encircling the cabin at any point at all.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    slone13

    by MachThree

    I don't think he was lying (IMHO, I don't think the writers would offer us what was, for them, a pretty straight forward explanation and have it be outright trickery, at least not this late in the game) - but if he was lying, heck, there's nothing that says Smokey couldn't have been watching the castaways, so he could have known that way.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    D.Vader & Daveyf

    by MachThree

    I agree with D.Vader on this - Widmore wants the island for himself. To quote him from back in season 4 IIRC: "That island is mine, Benjamin. It always was."

  • April 22, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Again, I hate the "too late in the game" excuse...

    by D.Vader

    ... For reasons why Smokey can't be lying about being Christian. He's the ultimate evil!! Of COURSE HE CAN BE LYING. There are 5 hours left, 5 hours with which to learn the truth. <p> OF COURSE the writers can be introducing a red herring this late in the game. It is ENTIRELY possible.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    severianx1

    by MachThree

    Possible excuse? At this point, I'm thinking they might be trying to put off the inevitable negative reaction that they must fear is coming if the end of the show doesn't live up to the last 6 years of speculation, hopes, etc. Like a little kid trying to keep his school report card from Mom. Putting off the inevitable. Ok, back to raelity. Two words: "sweeps" and "money". Yes, its a gigantic F-U to their loyal fans, especially after they promised us that in exchange for waiting for the season to start February every year, they'd show the season's eps straight through.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...

    by MachThree

    Yes, he could be lying. Absolutely. I'm not denying that he could be, and its not an "excuse". I'm just saying what I think is likely given where we are in the show's run. Do the writers / producers really want to spend precious time re-answering the Christian question, or answering other questions? Who's to say, but my hope is that they don't (so that they can use the time to answer other questions) so they told us the truth the first time. My fear is that they don't even consider the remaining time to be that precious, they'll just answer whatever they want to answer and not answer what they don't want to, and that's that.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Ok, here's another reason why Flkocke is Christian

    by Stabby

    Smokey has in the past appeared to people as someone dear to them that they know, for instance as Eko's brother before he judged him and smashed him to death and also as Ben's daughter when judging Ben. It makes sense for MIB to use Jack's father to interact with Jack and assess him.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Gordon Bombay

    Possible? Yes. But it's a lot more probable that when they go out of their way to answer a long running island mystery (whispers, ghost Christian), its probably the truth.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Actually it works against Flocke to admit to being

    by Stabby

    Christian. Especially, when it comes to Jack. It gives him more of a reason not to trust him.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    That's why I think he paused

    by Stabby

    Before admitting it to Jack.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Sorry MachThree

    by D.Vader

    Didn't mean to suggest you were making excuses. I understand your viewpoint. Just based on the way Flocke acted as he delivered said answer seemed a bit fishy to me. I expect more revelations, and I expect Flocke to not have been Christian every time.

  • April 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    episode was meh

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...so i guess im a hater... but its interestin that south park is gettin more posts than lost... think a lot people are disappointed, which in lost tb logic, makes em haters

  • April 22, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    ...also WORST REUNION EVER!!!!

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...ive seen better reunions wit vincent and shannon... im sorry kwons... and where was the reunion score?

  • April 22, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Christian

    by agentf1

    I'd like to believe that Christian's appearances/missing body, etc. is one of the deeper mysteries of the show that will be revealed in the finale. I hope it's not as simple as UnLocke saying it was him all the time. It would make sense EXCEPT for his off island appearance to Jack in the hospital in the 4th season (although the smoke detector going off would seem to fit with it being the smoke monster) and then his apperance to Michael in the freighter. <p> Ok, I rewatched "Lighthouse" and Claire says she was not alone for the 3 years, she had her father and then her friend. She is very explicit about her friend being separate from her father. When it's revealed at the end of the episode that her "friend" is UnLocke she points out to Jin immediately that it's not John Locke.<p> I definitely think there is more to come with Christian, remember, his body is missing in the alt timeline....

  • April 22, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Christian/Locke and Claire

    by Stabby

    First of all, Claire is crazy so you have to take everything she says with a grain of sand. Second, again it makes sense for MIB to pose as Christian to get Claire on his side and to help her survive. Especially if she is his mother.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    STEPDADDY, AGREED!!!

    by Stabby

    But, that was cool with me, because I hate Sun and her marital drama.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Here's the thing the Candidates don't understand

    by Stabby

    That MIB can't kill them anymore than they can him! Once they figure this out the tables will turn.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Answers Just Create More Questions

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    It's not just "Is MIB telling the Truth about posing as Christian?"<br /><br />It's "Does Jack believe him?"<br /><br />Even if he's telling the truth, Jack can still believe he's lying.<br /><br /> And if he's lying and Jack falls for it, then what?<br /><br />It's the nature of LOST. No matter how many "answers" they give us, we're still going to be saying "Yes. But..." or "No. I don't believe that. Something else is going on."

  • April 22, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Jack, Sawyer, etc, can't die anyway

    by RPLocke

    Jacob touched them, so bombing the beach is useless. Sure, you kill off the gun toting extra guys but Jack is still around.

  • April 22, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    cymbalta, I hear what you're saying

    by Stabby

    but I don't think it matters if Jack believes him or not. We as the audience are privy to things that the characters are not and I think that the writers are doing their best to answer the questions. Some of us just don't like the answers. But, ultimately it is their story to tell and to tell it in the way they want to.

  • April 22, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    MIB wants to get them to kill one another

    by daveyf

    And the biggest fool after Locke has to be Jackass. So look for Jack to unwillingly waste a few candidates.

  • April 22, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I wonder how many answers

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I wonder how many answers are going to be shoehorned into the clip show? Originally they planned the usual one hour "previously on Lost" recap show to air before the series finale. then they decided to go two hours? Why? Sure, the network wanted more networth advertising revenue, but I suspect they realized, with all the questions floating around, that they'd need two hours to address some information that they weren't able to fit in the series. <br /> I suspect we may be seeing a lot of clips of "here's what happened, here's what we showed you" combined with voice over narration of "Aha, but here's what really happened, here's what this actually meant."<br /> I know that won't sit well with the haters who want all the resolutions in the form of an action scenes, not just people asking questions and getting answers. <br /> for me, on a lot of this stuff, I'd settle for, for example, them showing us Christian on the freighter with Michael and a voice-over telling us "this is Christian's ghost" or "this is the smoke monster AND here's how he did it..." <br /> <br /> I wonder how long a clip show they'd need to include every dead-end development and every named character on the series and try to establish that there were no wasted episodes or useless characters. Three hours? Four, five? <br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be funny if in the finale it turns out that Jack is the chosen one and the proof is that he got that tattoo from Bai Ling? <br /> <br /> Also speaking of clip shows, I wonder how much material would be covered if the series creators put together a clip show of all the material they wish we'd forget about. All the unimportant stuff, dead ends, loose threads, unanswerable questions, place keeping, mis-steps, mistakes, macguffins, red herrings, false clues, misdirections and storylines begun and abandoned because an actor left, an actress got busted or a character (or two) proved unpopular with the fans. <br /> A "directors cut" edit focused on all the stuff they wish they'd left out. I'll bet something like that would explain a few unsolved mysteries.

  • April 22, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Best ending would be..

    by daveyf

    Desmond blowing Jack's bloody head off, brutha!

  • April 22, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Did he tell you he was our father?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Everyone cites NonLocke telling Jack that he was Christian that one time to lead him to water. Many people think he was lying, some realize he still had to know about Christians motives and the springs. <br /> There's less discussion of Claire's question to Jack "did he tell you he posed as our father?" <br /> Maybe it's her limitations as an actress, maybe the challenge of playing a crazy person, but I senses a cock-eyed smirk and a sarcastic tone when she said it. Like "did he tell you he posed as our father? Yeah, he told me that shit to. He was lying. I've met our father's Ghost and it wasn't that thing posing as Locke." <br /> Remember, she spent three years and she wasn't alone, she was with her father and her friend. the NonLocke thing was her friend and she could tell it apart from her father. <br /> Of course, she is crazy.<br /> Still, "Did he tell you he posed as our father? And you believed him? Suckaaa!" <br /> <br /> Cymbalta4 and Stabby, you have points, doubting answers does create still more questions. Still, when certain characters are clearly liars, it's hard not to doubt them. <br /> Mib: "Did you kill Desmond like I told you to?"<br /> Sayid (sweat pouring down forehead, big nervous grin on his face): "Oh yeah, sure, He's, uh, all dead and shit. You can go look if you want."<br /> Mib (Squints until one eye is closed, tilts head to the side, holds up sign that says "I know he's lying!"): "No, I trust you, let's get back to the others. <br /> <br /> Sure it turns it all into a game of who's lying and who believes their lies, but these are human characters, not chess pieces. It's a complicated game.

  • April 22, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, WHAT?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I don;t mean to be rude or confrontational, but can I get an explanation of this theory that<br /> Aaron Littleton, Christian Shepherd's grandson and Claire's son, last seen in a motel in LA California being cared for by his grandmother as a not quite 3-year-old infant, is either or both the boy in white caught red handed, the boy in white and the slightly older boy in tan and brown rapidly aging and/or The Man In Black posing as Christian.<br /> <br /> Hey, I like stoners and I like fan fiction, so no great offense meant when I say that feels entirely like stoner fan fiction and I really don't see what it has to do with the Lost I've been watching for 5.7 years. <br /> <br /> Claire: "I hate it when my son poses as my father. It drives me crazy!"

  • April 22, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Vikki, I think you actually speak the truth...

    by D.Vader

    "Wouldn't it be funny if in the finale it turns out that Jack is the chosen one and the proof is that he got that tattoo from Bai Ling? " <p> Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens actually. Makes that episode worthwhile actually, other than its fantastic ending.

  • April 22, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Oh, the haters will flood in at the end of May

    by RPLocke

    And the podcasters around the world will burn and riot ABC studios when Lost isn't the ending they wanted.

  • April 22, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure the Aaron/psychic thing was

    by SithMenace

    a red herring, a filler episode.

  • April 22, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    What's a vagine?

    by SithMenace

    Is that like a vagina?

  • April 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Easilly the most disappointing series ever made.

    by Flip63Hole

    All exposition, no character development anymore. Sad, the characters used to be developed based on their situations/actions ~ now all the characters are simply props for the whims of bad writing. All new exposition seems to be offering twists just for the sake of twists, characters go from point A to B without much emotional investment. Jack Shepherd from seasons 1-3 doesn't even exist anymore. It's just Matthew Fox biding his time until season's end. "You must do so-and-so or else everyone on the island will die." over and over and over and over and over and over? Wow. Great writing, people. A mysterious action/adventure show that turns into a ridiculous fantasy at the end? Villains that haven't been developed for 80% of the series are supposed to be main characters now? And ANOTHER list??? You kidding? Remember the list where Michael HAD to bring Hurley, Jack, Kate, etc. to the others? Remember how irrelevant that list turned out to be? Kind of like the other lists, meaningless. Remember when Jack was dying to get off the island? But now he's jumping in the water to stay? Good. Fucking. God. Make it end, already. Easily the most disappointing show I've ever tried watching. Seen seasons 1-3 at least 5 times each. After that the series died an early death. Sad...

  • April 22, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    A way to end it

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Wash Away, the song used at the end of Tabula Rasa, playing while all the mysterious energy on the island explodes in a giant quasi-volcano that releases so much energy it fuses the timelines. It might not make sense but it would seem like Lost.

  • April 22, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Flip63Hole

    by RPLocke

    If it's so disappointing don't waste your breath talking about it. Go watch Fringe or something.

  • April 22, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by MachThree

    No apology necessary, I wasn't offended or anything of the sort. I respect your opinion. I would not be at all surprised if Christian's appearances were not all MiB, but I do think that the "White Rabbit" appearance near the beginning of the show where he lead Jack to the caves - that was MiB and he was telling the truth.

  • April 22, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    ATTN SAWYER:

    by BillboeFett

    1) Jack jumped off the boat 2) FUCK YOU

  • April 22, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Aaron/psychic thing

    by agentf1

    Sithmenace, if that episode was a red herring/filler episode, it was still cool that Kate told Claire in this episode that "I never should have raised him, it should have been you". At the very least, they got a good reference to that filler episode...unless it means something.<p> I tell you, it can't be a coincidence about Jack being the main character of the show, his sisters situation with Aaron (major storyline from season 1) and his father issues. I think all these things are reminders/refreshers for the completion of this major story arc.<p> If Christian was a critical part of Lost's conclusion, perhaps the smoke detector in the hospital when Christian appeared was the red herring.......

  • April 22, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I bet Sawyer wishes he went back with Jack

    by RPLocke

    Sawyer, you always get conned. At least you're cool in the Flash Sideways.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    As of now, Sawyer and Miles cop show would be

    by GQtaste

    better than this last season. Never forget after the Sopranos was over and the producer of Lost, can't remember which one. Said, Oh we'd never end our show like that. Basically, saying it was a bushleague way to go out. Shit, this fucking guys fucked this up beautifully! These cocksuckers should never get another job again for this disastrous last season. It's been a goddamn catastrophe! Lost was not and will not ever be the show that the sopranos brought us. Of course their different types but point is these clowns are cocksuckers. Nothing but teases.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    the reason why you fanboys think MIB is lying

    by akkosa

    its just such a poorly written and executed scene that IF he was telling the truth, it would shatter your little bubbles of denial about the quality of this season/ep

  • April 22, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    It speaks volumes that nobody is posting

    by GQtaste

    It speaks volumes that nobody is posting on here the last couple of weeks. People are fed up and disappointed 100%. When you got guys bitching over on imdb saying it's a disappointment that's another indicator. Those clowns on ODI are still hoping for the best but they're even perplexed about the way things are ending and still grabbing at straws.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Hey GQ

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Speak for yourself please. "People are fed up and disappointed 100%" is quite the blanket statement. I'm not fed up, nor am I disappointed. I love LOST, warts and all.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    GQtaste

    by RPLocke

    If Lost is such a bad show why has it been on for six years? It was one of the few shows on TV that didn't need Entertainment Weekly or websites hyping it up week after week - Glee anyone?

  • April 22, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    GQtaste, back to planet earth

    by BillboeFett

    "It speaks volumes that nobody is posting on here the last couple of weeks". </BR> It sure as hell does, since today is Thursday the 22nd and this talkback went live on the 20th.

  • April 22, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    People are posting here less simply because

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    They found better places to post about Lost, which there are many. The Fuselage. Twop.com. Sepinwall's Blog. Paburrow's blog.<p> On the other hand, it's not a good sign when even Jorge Garcia and his girlfriend make fun of the bad writing on his podcast as they have a bunch of times this season. Examples: talking about the whispers/michael/hurley scene or how the sideways scenes are sometimes way overdone. That can't be good.

  • April 22, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    the lot of you are fickle little girls

    by BillboeFett

    w/ a few exceptions, the lot of you are evaluating each and every episode by "how many orgasms did I get? If its less than 3, the entire episode fails". </BR> You seem to scrutinize every single thrust, every position, and you demand 110% or the entire activity was a waste of time for you. </BR> You are SOOOOO fucking fickle its ridiculous.

  • April 22, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    as stated before DUMFUKS....

    by jay2517

    how can u discuss things when u already have the ANSWER?? we're getting answers to our questions...so what the fuk is there to debate?? the reason previous Lost tb's were so long was because we speculated and debated THEORIES. u fuking "fans"-- GQ- cowardBOY- Akkosa- FlipHole- are are another reason u DUMBFUKS!! wwaaahhhh waaahhhhh its not the anwere I WANTED so this season SUCKS!! u FUKING DUMB CUNTS...

  • April 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    now cue the gay slurs amd mom insults from cowardBOY...

    by jay2517

    u fuking TROLLS are pathetic...

  • April 22, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    at least the lot of you will be

    by BillboeFett

    keeping these talkbacks alive and going by continually coming back here to post on why these talkbacks are dead. </BR> So heres a big thanks in advance from the rest of us

  • April 22, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by RPLocke

    The only thing that's annoying is people like you telling me Lost sucks even thought they still watch it week after week and take fucking notes on it.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    It was on for five seasons bc it was a great show.

    by GQtaste

    I really dug season one three, four, and five. This season has been horse shit.

  • April 22, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    LOL whatever GQFUKWAD...

    by jay2517

    ur just bitching because the final season IS NOT HOW U WANTED IT TOO BE WAAHHHH!!! why cant u dumfuks get that through ur head?? the seasons havent changed... ur preconceived expectations have idiot...

  • April 22, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    AND SEASON 2 WAS GOOD/GREAT ALSO...

    by jay2517

    man, u fuking nitpickers and naysayers need to get the fuk up...move out of ur moms/parents basement...go get ur TV writing degrees...and WRITE THE BESTEST SHOW EVER!!! fucking idiots...

  • April 22, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Season four was weak.

    by RPLocke

    It introduced far too many characters only to kill them off. Season Five was so excellent, it was hard to top in this season. I think the the bomb going off was a HUGE mistake. All they had to do was just have Jacob walk out and then end the season.

  • April 22, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    season 4 was not weak RP...

    by jay2517

    and how does ur ending make it better? good lord *sigh*...

  • April 22, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    LOST pilot episode to air night before finale!!!

    by D.Vader

    Awesome. I think that'll make a GREAT bookend for the series. It'll be a non-stop LOST party weekend. I'm so excited and sad at the same time.

  • April 22, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Actually, RIP Locke, every season

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Every season has introduced characters created to die. Season one, the Redshirts. that's why there were 48 plane crash survivors but only 14 turned out to be key players by the end of the first season, Hell, the Pilot - the guy they named the Pilot Episode after, as I always like to joke - died in the first episode, along with Gary "guy sucked into a turbine" Troup. And though it's never been verified, I think guy with leg in splint from the early beach chaos scenes died right away; we never saw a guy with a splint, leg in cast, on a cane or crutch again after that.<br /> Season two, tailies. Juliet had a key role, currently only Cindy and the kids remain and maybe Widmore's missile barrage took them out. <br /> Honestly, I'd have to check with Lostpedia or something to remember who was introduced when. I love Lost but there's more to life than one TV show and I've never got around to rewatchint the whole series.<br /> Still, we had plenty of named Others. The Freighter crew, the science team and the mercenaries, of who me Miles and Frank remain. Lots of key named Dharmites died last year. <br /> This season the people in charge of the temple sanctuary, Dogen and Lennon, died, then half the Temple Others. Looks like at least a few of the remaining Others died when Widmore bombarded the beach. <br /> <br /> It's Junior Juniper all over, man. It's a simple action story gimmick: introduce characters created to serve a small purpose and then die. No one expects the entire Dirty Dozen to make it home safely. Lost even borrowed Trek's term, redshirts, for it. Every single year, characters introduced with a skull on their head - people who, like all of us, were born to die. Life is a fatal disease. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny "Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out of it alive." <br /> <br /> If anyone wants extra credit they can compile the statistics of which seasons have been the most and least lethal on Lost Island. I'd do it but I have a story to go write.

  • April 22, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    I really hate the criticism of "characters introduced..."

    by D.Vader

    ... Only to get killed off. As if its suddenly bad to kill off characters.

  • April 22, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Sith & M - yes.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Vagine, vajayjay, a Quimm-Martin Production. It's all puss-puss. It's all good. The vocabulary evolves.

  • April 22, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    just wanna say... supernatural was great tonight

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...i wish they had a tb... lost, youre in second place now

  • April 22, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Geek-Taste - you are somebody.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    "It speaks volumes that nobody is posting on here the last couple of weeks." <br /> Hello. My AICN user name used to be Napoleon Park and I've been posting to the Lost talkbacks on a semi regular basis since before the first episode aired, back when the first article describing the show went up. I say semi regular because I'm sure I haven't been around for every talkback. There was a period when I got fed up with both the trolls and the clique, and other periods while I was banned for reasons I never understood.<br /> <br /> I realize what you said was intended as hyperbole. You surely mean "fewer people" not "nobody". Even if you were the only person posting here and you considered yourself a nobody, you are still somebody. so are the people posting here. <br /> <br /> Throme The Idol listed several alternate options for people who can't stand the trolling and don't want to risk a major spoiler at this stage of the process. Lots of friendlier forums to discuss Lost in. I plan to keep coming here on an approximately daily basis either to post some comment or to just read what's been added until the series is over and the final talkback dies down. I don't blame the regulars who bailed on us and moved elsewhere. I don't think they're chickens just for wanting a friendlier environment. But for me coming to AICN after the show to read the theories, jokes, fan-fic, and the general ambiance of people who like Lost discussing it - and yes, the trolls attacking each other is a fun freak show too sometimes - well, that's part of the Lost phenomenon for me.<br /> <br /> I have noticed that numerically this talkback has gotten fewer posts than most of the previous ones. Still barely over 3/4th of a thousand posts and a very brief time as the #1 talkback, as opposed to the previous weeks when it stayed at #1 all week. Blame the trolls, blame the spoilers - blame the pace of the show or the way it's turning out differently than anyone expected if you must, and I'm sure you must. Or blame Pa for siphoning away some of the tb regulars to his blog forum. All are partial reasons.<br /> <br /> But don;t over exaggerate and claim you killed the talkbacks by declaring that nobody ever posts here any more. That's just wishful thinking on your part. And keep coming back to complain, as I'm sure you will. We have you, and you are somebody.

  • April 22, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    look!! the TROLLS are gone all of a sudden!!

    by jay2517

    imagine that brotha...

  • April 22, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    sunshine

    by HanzoST

    aint no sunshine when hes gone(kate wants her a sawyer jack threesome) i want that for her too, but its not gonna happen kate.

  • April 22, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Geek Flavour?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I forgot to add to the above the possibility that less people are posting as much here because there's less urgency since there's a two week break until the next episode. Herc doesn't usually post talkbacks for reruns, so people may be holding ideas and comments in reserve in order to keep this tb going for an extra week without it turning into a V/FlashForward/Fringe talkback.<br /> <br /> But that's not what I wanted to say here. <br /> Up at 6:16 you describe the creators of Lost as cocksuckers and unless I misinterpreted what you said, you seem to be using that in a bad or negative sense.<br /> Really? may I inquire what the fuck is wrong with you, bitch? Don't you LIKE getting your cock sucked? Understand, I'm not asking you about your sexual orientation. I don't care who sucks your cock as long as you don't rub it with raw liver and feed it to your toothless poodle. That would be wrong. Actually, telling anyone under the age of consent that it tastes like candy would also be wrong. But as long as you and your friend, companion, wife, girlfriend, mistress, lover, dominatrix, maid, secretary, life partner or cell mate are consenting adults you should really try getting your cock sucked again. Me, I liked it right away. For you it might be an acquired, er, Taste. but once you get the hang of it, I think you'll like it. <br /> <br /> As for the creators of Lost, I really haven't followed the interviews with them, so I have no idea what their sexual orientation or private practices are. They may have certain rituals they observe before each writing session. I don't know, I really don't care. It doesn't matter to me if they're cocksuckers or not, what I find disturbing is that you seem to think the term is an insult. Unless your parents were extremely conservative and devoutly religious, I think you may owe your mother an apology. <br /> <br /> Talk show host Joe Pyne asked Realist editor Paul Krassner about a cartoon that used the word fellatio in the punchline, and why he felt the need to publish a cartoon with reference to a homosexual act. Krassner replied "that's not a homosexual act, Joe, it's a sex act. hasn't your wife ever done that to you?".<br /> <br /> A witness told the court "Mr. Bruce used a ten letter word for a homosexual." Lenny replied "that word doesn't refer to a homosexual, it is a word that describes every woman I know and any woman I would want to know or would love or would marry."<br /> <br /> Hell, GeeQueue, I don't care what your opinion of Lost is. You're free to post it here just like I am. It's a public forum. But are you really that sexually repressed and uptight that you need to use the word cocksucker as an insult? <br /> <br /> Barbara Broadcast: "No, you can't. You're not old enough."<br /> Autograph seeker: "When will I be old enough to come in a woman's mouth?"<br /> Barbara Broadcast: "When you're old enough to know not to ask." <br />

  • April 22, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by RPLocke

    Season 4 ended with a cliffhanger that was just a bomb going off. That's it? Really? A bomb going off? Season 3 had the best cliffhanger ever of a show, and season 4 ends like every episode of 24?

  • April 22, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    FlashForward - good luck with that.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    What I actually just logged in to say, though was...<br /> <br /> On tonight's FlashForward they tried to set a final date that would give the show a sen year run, establishing that Dyson Frost took over a hundred mini-flashes and mapped out a complex chart of possible alternative futures which all culminate and end at one in 2016 (December, I think) labeled "the end".<br /> <br /> The funny isn't that they tried to swipe a Lost episode title - after all, "the end" is a pretty generic phrase.<br /> <br /> I just admire and pity their audacity at making the attempt to set such a far off end date. Face it, FlashForward is still on the wrong side of the bubble and very unlikely to go for a second year, let alone six or seven.

  • April 22, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    In seasons four and five

    by RPLocke

    you had bombs going off. At least the frozen donkey wheel kind of made you go WTF!

  • April 22, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Actually enjoyed FF tonight

    by paburrows

    I hope that it does last, I remember Damon Lindehoff saying that FF was a show in need of an end date just like Lost did. This would probably never happen, but it would be awesome if Darlton jumped over to FF when Lost ened.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Killing people off is not stupid

    by paburrows

    Its actually good, because it shows that no one is safe and ups the danger/suspense.

  • April 22, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    V and FF need to be on the same night

    by RPLocke

    Because they're two good shows that deserve to bounce off another. V struggles after Lost, but that won't matter next year, cause both shows won't even be on.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Lost's Jorge Garcia: The Man in Black Cannot Lie

    by paburrows

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-Jorge-Garcia-1017310.aspx

  • April 23, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    soooo RP...u DONT understand the ending of season5???

    by jay2517

    hmmmm ok. ur views makes sense now RP. kinda feel sorry for u brotha...

  • April 23, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    birthday party

    by volcanobattlesmokey

    <p> Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain Oh and I can see Daniel waving goodbye God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes They say Spain is pretty though I've never been Well Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen Oh and he should know, he's been there enough Lord I miss Daniel, oh I miss him so much Daniel my brother you are older than me Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal Your eyes have died but you see more than I Daniel you're a star in the face of the sky Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain Oh and I can see Daniel waving goodbye God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes Oh God it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes </p>

  • April 23, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    christmas party

    by volcanobattlesmokey

    <p> Goodbye Grandma, sleep well tonight Dream of all your younger days Way before time had left you sad And store yourself away 'Cause I remember you Just as you always used to be Before time had taken toll And stole you away from me And I wish I could stop time tonight And hold the whole world still And keep you here forever To be mine And I wish the world was different And I could hold you in my arms And I keep you here forever For all time 'Cause Grandma, I can sail the seven seas I could take a rocket to the moon But everywhere I go You would be there too And I'd be right there with you Sleep well tonight Sleep well tonight </p>

  • April 23, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    black

    by volcanobattlesmokey

    Back to the howling old owl in the woods Hunting the horny back toad Oh I've finally decided my future lies <p> Beyond the yellow brick road What do you think you'll do then I bet that'll shoot down your plane It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics To set you on your feet again </p>

  • April 23, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Vikki - FF

    by paburrows

    Looks like FF had their own Blast Door Map tonight. Mark was given a few seconds to memorize what he could on that blackboard before it was all washed away. I wonder if he's going to try to draw it again on a piece of paper and stop pushing the button. LOL

  • April 23, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Yes, I know the ending of Season 5

    by RPLocke

    They wanted to change time. but, that didn't work out so well did it? The Flash Sideways is connecting with out island timeline, isn't it? What was the point really? And, we don't know how the show ends obviously, so who's to say that there isn't a THIRD timeline we see at the end of the series?

  • April 23, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST

    by rosasaks

    Daniel, when I first saw you I knew that you had a flame in your heart And under under wild blue skies Marble movie skies I found a home in your eyes We'll never be apart And when the fires came The smell of cinders and rain Perfumed almost everything We laughed and laughed and laughed And in the cold and blue car You took me to the darkest place you knew And set fire to my heart When I run in the dark Daniel To a place that's vast Under a sheet of rain in my heart Daniel I dream of home But in a goodbye bed With my arms around your neck Into our mouths the tears crept Just kids in the eye of the storm And as my head spun round My dreams pulled me from the ground Forever to search for the flame For home again For home again When I run in the dark Daniel To a place that's vast Under a sheet of rain in my heart Daniel I dream of home When I run in the dark Daniel To a place that's vast Under a sheet of rain in my heart Daniel I dream of home

  • April 23, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Seem to be some BIG spoilers floating around today

    by rosasaks

    Beware.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Rosasaks

    by daveyf

    Those spoilers are SCREAMING epic. So it's the good kind of spoilers!

  • April 23, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    thanks for making my point RP...

    by jay2517

    the show hasnt ended so quit the fussing.

  • April 23, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Really? Spoilers are out there now? Damnit... really damnit

    by D.Vader

    This is going to mean I'll either stop coming here completely, and thus stop having fun with you guys. Or I'll get spoiled and STILL stop having fun. Its a lose-lose situation.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    its cool Vader... nothing really big about them...

    by jay2517

    IMHO...

  • April 23, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Jay

    by paburrows

    Post them over at the Room 23 Forums (in the Spoiler Page) if you can.

  • April 23, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The site to avoid about today's spoilers

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is Gawker.com. They have some call sheets with finale scene info, and what actors are needed that day. Looks epic but very confusing and looks like only 5 minutes worth once it's in the actual show. Can't really tell what is going on. Yeah I looked even though I've avoided most other spoilers.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by MachThree

    Its sort of confusing reading the cal sheet but if you look at the scene numbers and order them that way you can sort of get a general sense of what's going on - but without more context etc. its hard to get more than just a vague idea of what it all means. Still, you can see who is in these final scenes and know that they are still alive at the end.

  • April 23, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by MachThree

    its not clear that these would be the very final scenes, but it seems that they'd have to be near the end. also the call sheet was for yesterday and since today or tomorrow is supposed to be the last filming day...

  • April 23, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Kate

    by rosasaks

    We were reminded this week Kate was with Claire when Aaron was born. Think that's significant. Obviously Aaron's birth is again approaching in LA X. Wonder if Kate will have a decision to make with regards to how he will be raised, by who and where. Going back to the beginning, her fugitive story line established her as a main character, so I think it's telling they restored that most prominently at the start of the LA X story this year. Whatever happens on the island, I think Kate's importance may be focused in the off island plot.

  • April 23, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why is Desmond not in the final cast photo?

    by Pizza The Hut

    http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/2010/04/lost-spoiler-or-coincidence-final-cast-photo-omits-key-character.html

  • April 23, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Contractually he's just a recurring character this year

    by rosasaks

  • April 23, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Desmond wasn't in the Last Supper pictures either

    by D.Vader

    So I wouldn't put too much stock into it meaning anything in that final cast photo.

  • April 23, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Vickki, you can be the biggest sycophant for the show all you wa

    by GQtaste

    Vickki, you can be the biggest sycophant for the show all you want. Point is, this season has been a huge disapointment. You can throw out all kinds of excuses why folks aren't posting in the numbers they were. And the ones you brought up were bullshit. Just a few weeks ago these posts would be at the top spot all week long. <p> Now, this one was on top for a day and a half. They wasted the first four or so episodes w/ the temple bullshit and bringing into the Asian dude and the Johnny Lennon character. The fact that Ben was such a major character and now an after thought since season fucking two! Most of the guys have been used as props to move the plot along. But the sideways stuff has been stupid. Claire's character acting like a child is silly. Pissed off they still killed off Juliet but understand why b/c of that other piece of shit show. Also, I'm sure Juliet will be Jacks ex-wife. Leaving out Rose and Bernard. The underwater crap. The stuff about Christian son being able to see him in flashbacks. Ilana's death scene. <p> Enough with the 40 minute psycho drama filled with flash sideways, zigzag, backwards and forwards. Enough with the tidbits of information here and there, dropped story lines, resurrected story lines and so on. I'm ready for the finale. Just take this show out back and put a bullet in its head to put it out of its misery. <p> I wish this wasn't the case. I would love to be proven wrong and if I am I'll be the first to admit it w/ the remaining shows. It's just not enough time to bring everything together to wrap it up w/ some semblance of satisfaction.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    New on NBC: the Biggest Sycophant

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I know I looked that up earlier this season but I forgot what itmeans, Ill go Google... Ah, Obsequious flattery, false accusation. Okay, I'm sorry I a falsely accused you of not liking blowjobs, but I don't think that was meant as flattery. Oh, you meant about the show, Okay.<br /> Looking back at this season, I don't think I've been particularly effusive in my praise of Lost. I haven't been as critical as some who have remained here but I don't think I've gone out of my way to defend the show or try to change anyone's opinions. I simply state my own opinion, which is that I enjoy the show. that's not false flattery. Much like the old lady in the art museum or the Peter Gabriel in your wardrobe, I know what I like.<br /> I don't think calling Dogen "Asian dude" makes you racist, unless you call all the Asian characters on the show that and can't tell them apart. There is no character called Johnny Lennon on Lost; there was Lennon, at the Temple, played by actor John Hawkes. Confusing Actors with the characters they play on TV is fairly common for us old ladies. And there was Jimmy Lennon. whom the bartender owed money from a bet on a Cricket match in one of the Desmond time-trippy episodes. but no Johnny Lennon. <br /> <br /> I'm not asking you to be as good a writer as the folks who get paid to create lost, but I'm curious. The Temple was mentioned in three episodes in season three, again in season four and twice in season five, including a visit to the tunnels beneath the Temple. HOW would you have resolved the mysteries surrounding this mysterious Temple without actually going there and showing it in season six. For the sake of discussion let's assume that never having mentioned it previously is no longer an option.<br /> <br /> Rose and Bernard have not been "left out" - they were last seen saying they didn't want to go adventuring any more back in 1977 and it is assumed by some of us that they remained there with Vincent, Walt's dog, and avoided the time snap back to 2007. that is not canon, it is merely wishful thinking by those who would like the characters to have had a "happy ending". <br /> <br /> Juliet fell into a very deep hole and then either did or did not set off an explosion that ruptured a pocket of energy. You may be pissed off that she died, but after that I think a lot of us wouuld have been pissed off if she survived. <br /> <br /> I don't think they wasted a lot of time with Ilana's death or 'the underwater stuff'. Ilana's death by dynamite explosion only took a couple seconds of screen time, and the opening scene of LA X showing the sunken Island only lasted half a minute or less and I can't think of a more efficient way to establish that the island was sunken in the LA X reality stream as well as sneaking in a cameo appearance by the always popular Dharma shark. <br /> <br /> If you have truly had enough of Lost, the network broadcast options are Glee, NCIS"LA, Frontline on PBS and of course NBC's new hit the Biggest Sycophant. If you have cable TBS airs an Office double feature. If you have a DVD player your options are only limited by your collection or what you can rent or borrow. Of course, if your TV has an off switch, you could read or engage in a hobby or get blown or do some housework. Actually going outside and taking a walk at sundown is also an option if you don't mind the risk of being beaten, robbed or killed.

  • April 23, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    go fuck off GQ...

    by jay2517

    u have a life right?? well, how 'bout u go out enjoy it cuntwad and stop letting Lost "disappoint" u?? however "awesome" ur life might be broheim...

  • April 23, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I agree with what Vikki said.

    by paburrows

  • April 24, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Jay --Lok around and smell the roses Broheim

    by 2LeggedFreak

    A large number of the more emphatic Lost Lovers have obviously headed for calmer rose-tinted talk-backs.<br /><br />You now stand out with your offensive attacks on other peoples OPINIONS, like a turd in a punch bowl.<br /><br />Not for one minute suggesting you should stop what you do...its a free world after all...but you might consider toning it down so that you don't come across as the talk-backs nut job.<br /><br />Cheers big guy.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Just checking in

    by theGoldbergV

    I'm a massive LOST fan. I loved it in season 1, drifted away a bit in s2, but then from s3 onwards I was proper addicted. From the last half of season 3 onwards the show has been getting better and better and setting the end-date certainly seemed to help. I agree with those up the page who say s4 is the best. Overall, its the best season IMO. A contained arc, it sets up new characters and plotlines, resolves others and has an epic scope. Then season 5 was very good too. But then we come to this season... <p><P>I'm not loving it. It was cool to see the Temple, and the temple others. After 3 years of building it up, I expected the Temple to have some massive significance. Turns out, aside from the magic spring, there's nothing much there. Who knows, maybe later in the season they'll go back but I'm not holding my breath. Why is it the base of operations for The Others?! I mean, they built a frakkin wall around it "just so no one would ever SEE our temple" and yet basically it was just a big building with a swimming pool in the basement. So they killed them all off and moved on. Fine. If the temple and the people there are not significant to the story then ok, its disappointing, but fair enough. I'll roll with it. <p><p>Then we've had the middle arc of the season, which has consisted of people walking to places, having guns pulled on them, getting captured/released and then changing their minds for no reason. The latest episode, although better than last weeks, highlighted all the problems this season has been plagued with. We don't know what motivates most of the characters anymore, Widmore, Sayid, NotLocke, Desmond, Hurley, Richard and Ben are all influencing the plot in a major way (well, except for Ben) but we don't know WHY they are doing these things. Why did Hurley suddenly decide to go speak to Locke, what is Widmore's plan, what is Desmond's newfound wisdom down to, etc. I know LOST is all about questions but come on, some defined motivations would be nice! Who'd have thought Kate would be the most rational character this year?! <P><P>All of that and I haven't even mentioned the sideways flashes. I like them mostly. They have become more interesting than the on-Island story anyway, but as said above the timeline makes no sense. I hope thats intentional, and that time works differently in the LOST universe, because otherwise its a massive plot hole. <P><P>I think there's a good chance the Island mythology will make sense when its revealed in episode 15 (IF thats when it happens, I avoid spoilers) but it won't make up for the fact that the story this season has been weak compared with the last 2 years. Maybe that is why the TBs have slowed down too.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Biggest Learning Point

    by 2LeggedFreak

    This has been a whole new way of doing a TV series so applause for that.<br /><br />However I think there are some big learnings for anyone attempting this kind of thing in future and the primary one is the reveals:<br /><br />They set this up as lots of unexplained mysteries that would be solved over time but so far in Season 6 this has been done in the most ham-fisted and "tick-box" way that it all feels rather of a cheat.<br /><br /><br />I think the answers should have given out in a way thats more layered in and intrinsic to the plot, I also think that, whilst the answers are the writers answers so you can't really challenge them, they are intrinsically weak and ill thought through - and smack somewhat of afterthoughts.<br /><br />Example ( Did this thought process really happen or did someone throw together a last minute solution) :<br /><br />" Hey we'll show this weird Egyptian Statue ..we'll show it at different time periods and sometimes it will be whole and then later on it will be in ruins"<br /><br />"Yeah - cool and folks will wonder what its all about and most importantly what was the major event that destroyed it---there's a potential tale of lost civilisations and then cataclismic battles in there."<br /><br />"Cool - but in the end we'll just have that it was destroyed by a boat in a big storm---that'll teach the fans to get excited about nothing"<br /><br />"Yeah---cool...Fuck the Geeks man---Ho Ho Ho "

  • April 24, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Welp. Lostboytexass lies. confirmed by Harry and Herc.

    by MacFaux

    He/she/it ain't stealin passwords. And doesn't have the intellect to do so... So. just to mention:<br /><br />"About 12 minutes in to 22.04 episode of Fringe, in Walter's lab viewing footage of an intercepted transmission. Fuzzy, random TV show pictures, snowy, then clear and... It is the Seth Norris and Claire Littleton in the coffee shop deleted scene. The actual scene.<br /><br />Moments latter Walter announces, "I believe this transmission is from the 'Alternate' Universe"<br /><br />Clue? Hat tip? Easter Egg? Crossover? hmmmm."<br /><br />we'll see who has this in their wheelhouse...<br /><br />room23hydra, darkufo, doctorarzt, docjensenew .. I feature none.<br /><br />Again, Harry says I'm crazy..hmmpf, and Lostboytexass lies. Hard. So, pay know mind to it.

  • April 24, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    And Volcanobattlesmokey, before I forget. Again..again..

    by MacFaux

    Look, Showman. What? well. ok. What? You said birthday party.. typed Elton lyrics... 'Daniel'? right..I don't know man, 1973. What? you born. song released? What?<br /><br />See, that is the crazy fun I'm typin about...<br /><br />Don't get the Billy Eliot thing, probably cause i'm drunk ..Adios, Yellow Brick Road is nice though. 2 vodkas and stand on your feet..<br /><br />Funny.<br /><br />I re-vote for First Sergeant Martin Christopher Keamy as a big bad-ass Klingon.

  • April 24, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Belated. Crazy Final MacFaux Song...Ozzie and Harriet. ona boat

    by MacFaux

    Here she comes, just like an angel. .....<br />Seem like forever that she's been on my mind,<br />Nothing has changed,<br />Thinks I'm a waste of her time.<br /><br />There she goes. .....<br /><br />No. She don't know what she's missing.. ...<br />Can't she see I'll never give up the fight?<br />I'll do all I can. ..... till she understands my desire.<br /><br />I've been on the outside looking in,<br />Let me into your heart! No.<br />There's nothing on earth that,<br />Should keep us apart!<br /><br />I can't live without your love and affection,<br />I can't face another night on my own.<br />I'd give up my pride,<br />to save me from being alone.<br />I can't live without your love.<br /><br />So I wait. Here. For an answer.<br />And wonder, if tomorrow will be like yesterday.<br />I'll keep holding on,<br />But. I can't go on living this way. .....<br /><br />I've been on the outside looking in<br />Bring my tears to an end "0"<br />I realize there's no use for me to pretend.. ...<br /><br />"0" yeah.<br /><br />I can't live without your love and affection<br />I can't face another night on my own.<br />I'd give up my pride,<br />to save me from being alone.<br />I can't live without your love.<br /><br />For your love. ..... I'd put my arms around you<br />For your love. ..... I'd find the strength to tell you<br />For your love. ..... I can't live without your love<br /><br />I can't live without your love and affection,<br />I can't face another night on my own.<br />I'd give up my pride,<br />to save me from being alone....<br /><br />I can't live without your love and affection.<br />I just can't go on this way anymore.<br />As hard as I try..... .<br />There's one thing that I know for sure,<br /><br />I can't live without your love.<br /><br />I can't live without your love.<br /><br /><br />*Ps. Fore you go kookie on this song, just know:<br /><br />1) You wish you could play guitar like them twins,<br /><br />B) You wish you had a Grandpa Kick Ass, <br /><br />and...<br /><br />3) You wish you had a name as cool as Gunnar<br /><br />

  • April 24, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    new theory

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Between 14% and 89% of everyone saying they're disappointed in season 6 because they don't understand it or it doesn't make sense are only pretending they understood seasons 1-5. They're not disappointed with getting answers and solutions, they just annoyed that they're not the crazy fan fiction theories they had in their head. <br /> I never understood Lost from the pilot on, I never pretended to 'get" it, I never thought any of my own jokes and spoof theories were going to be "it" - that's why I've been able to just go along for the ride. Sure, I was invested in the show enough that sometimes finding out this character is important, this one isn't, this detail counts, this is just something that happened with no consequences, and that sometimes the series would take a 90 degree turn and go over here for a while and be about time traveling monks or ghosts or haunted ghost cabins or a donkey wheel that can move an island - it hasn't been an easy ride, more like a rodeo. <br /> But the folks bailing now, claiming "Oh, all of that other stuff, smoke monster, Dharma, time travel, touchy Jacob - that all made sense to me, but this alternate reality stuff is rooning it for me" - I think they're bluffing. <br /> I can get that as a strange mash-up of sci-fi and fantasy, Lost is not to everyone's liking. I get that where ever it's taking us, it's probably not going to wind up where we thought it would be and, for some of us, where you hoped it would be. But, dude, it took y'alls 5.75 years to figure that out? T'chah.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    tvg article headline misleading?

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Folks who skim the talkback might have caught that Pa posted a link to a TV Guide article but may not have followed the link and read the article. The headline was "Jorge Garcia says Man In Black Cannot Lie" - that wasn't just Pa's topic line, that was the actual headline of the article, so don't blame Pa.<br /> However, the actual article suggests that headline statement maybe someone misleading. what the guy that plays Hurley actually said was certain characters - H-, J-, F- and S- - were safe "for now" as they walk into Man In Black's camp because "[The Man in Black] did give them their word that he wasn't going to do anything. It's been established that he has to keep his word, so if he gives his word, then he's bound to it."<br /> Which seems to make sense. being some sort of djinn or occult entity or something that 'used to be a man' Mib has to play by The Rules, so it seems reasonable that he is bound by his word and had to keep promises. <br /> But I think keeping promises is not the same as not being able to lie. <br /> A lot of discussion in this tb about Mib conforming he was christian on one specific occasion Jack asked abut whether he was lying, whether it means he was always Christian every time and what Claire meant when she asked Jack "did he tell you he pretended to be out father?" and whether she believes it. Some people are sure that "at this stage in the game the show is too answer-intensive to worry if the answers we're given are red herrings or not' and other people just assume everything Mib says is a lie. <br /> So, to be clear on it. Jorge did not say "MIB cannot lie", he said that he has to keep his word.<br /> Not the same thing. Not at all.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    VikkiMarsdale

    by theGoldbergV

    I get it. I understand LOST. I like the mythology and the altering timeline and most of the characters. I like the WTF moments like the 1st time we saw the statue and "We have to go back!" and the donkey wheel. But the storyline of this season is just bad, it doesn't matter how you look at it, the on-Island stuff is just lame. One group wants to get off the Island, but everyone has to go, one group (Widmore's) want to do something else. Jack wants to stay, as do (presumably) Miles, Richard and Ben. Why? Why has no one asked notLocke *why* he wants to leave or what happens to him when if he does? How many times is someone going to ask NotLocke what he is only to be told "oh I think you have some idea about that" or something similar. I mean seriously, he said the same thing to Sayid, to Jack, to Ben. For me its not the questions that have brought this season down, I'm used to questions after 5 years, its the complete lack of character motivation. Kate wants to get Claire back, that I understand. Sun and Jin want to find eachother, again, understandable. What does Frank want? What about Miles? Why is Hurley doing the things he does? If Richard wants to make sure no one gets on the plane no matter the cost, why not kill Lapidus? No one else knows how to fly a frakkin plane! <P><P>Its the last defense of the apologist to accuse the detractors of not *getting* the show. I get it. I just don't think its that good anymore.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Why Ben S6 is not a bad-ass.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    We like fictional bad-ass characters. East Clintwood as ManWithNoName or Harry, BondJamesBond. Anti-heroes who kill for a cause. <br /> "Henry Gale" was meant as a two or three episode expendable Others who just caught on because he got a great actor to help create him. <br /> So we got Benjamin Linus the list maker, the liar, the manipulator. A man in a cell who could make Locke so mad he'd throw his dinner against the wall and get Michael to kill Ana Lucia for him. the guy who gassed his dad and was a participant in The Purge that wiped out Dharma. the leader of The Others who took orders from Jacob (which was a lie) and controlled the Smoke Monster (which was misdirection) Sure, Ben in Tunisia with his hitting stick, killing his captors, riding out of the desert and checking into a hotel so cool, strolling into Widmore's bedroom, one hair away from killing a maitre d, That seemed like an exiting bad-ass character. <br /> But Lost had bigger games to play; games of good and evil played with black and white stones. <br /> Ben Linus is a killer. Sure, lifting Caesars gun and capping him with it was a cool slight of hand trick - the same one he played on Locke when he left him in a pit of dead bodies. Nothing showed us the true Ben Linus like watching him strangle John Locke and this time making sure he was dead. <br /> Then he got played, falling for MIB's trick of pretending to be Locke back from the dead yet again. The con-man lying manipulator got played and wound up whacking jacob, the man he thought of as a god.<br /> Homocide doesn't mean killing a gay guy, it means killing a homo sapien. Mans- or, as the strident feminists would say - personslaughter. <br /> Benjamin Linus was personslaughter personified. Killing and ordering to be killed and manipulating Sayid into becoming his killing machine. He was a mass killer. And beyond mere homocide, he committed patricide - killed his own father. Mythic stuff. And when he made a misstep and one of his bluffs were called and a rule was broken, infanticide - he caused the death of his own daughter. Lost Island had no King so he and to skip over Regicide - killing the king - and go straight to deicide. <br /> And that was it. Ben Linus ran out of lies, schemes, lists, plans, secrets and manipulations. His end game was to get to meet Jacob and when he finally did MIB had made him so mad that he committed deicide - he killed his god. <br /> Where do you go from there? Damnation or repentance. He was ready to go with MIB because "he's the only one who will have me" and Ilana - doing Jacobs work - reached out, found it in her own vindictive heart to try to forgive, and said "I'll have you." <br /> Benjamin Linus is reborn and repentant. He has to live with the guilt of the things he's done and find a way to live with that burden and atone for it. MIB offered him an Island - instead he's defying him and is off with Richard and Miles to go destroy an airplane. That may or may not wind up being his last hurrah, his suicide run.<br /> But somewhere Benjamin Linus had a chance to be Principal at the cost of a girls future, and he made the right choice and thought of others ahead of himself and found inner peace and satisfaction. <br /> Some people like their Ben Linus as a bad-ass. But they'd probably have to admit that that Ben Linus earned his damnation.<br /> I think I like the Ben Linus who earned his redemption. <br /> Peace. -np-

  • April 24, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Vikki

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    But when has it been established in the show that Smokey/MiB can't lie? Jorge says he has to keep his word and says that has been established - where has it been established? I don't recall the scene, though I don't watch episodes multiple times usually so maybe I missed it?

  • April 24, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Vikki

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The only missing question is how much Sayid shooting young Ben had to do with Bad Ass Ben and everything he did.<br /><br />No Temple --No Bad Ass Ben ?

  • April 24, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    East Clintwood? &_& really? ...Damnation or rePentecostalism

    by MacFaux

    Denzel Washington approves. If not you posts, your LOST devotion.<br /><br />Season 1 was the start of the Alt slash sideways slash 'other' verse....<br /><br />........just sayin, Vikki.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    GV, "he is evil personified"

    by VikkiMarsdale

    "How many times is someone going to ask NotLocke what he is only to be told "oh I think you have some idea about that" or something similar."<br /> <br /> So your complain is that MIB is a liar, a manipulator and a deceiver and that he acts that way n a consistent manner. <br /> <br /> Did you ever see Reaper? Not asking if you liked it or thought it as a good show, but did you see it or are you familiar with the premise? <br /> Ray Wise, smiling, charming. "Sam, I like you. I'm your real dad, you're special to me. You can trust me. I will ask you to do things and make you do them and they will always be difficult and have strings attached and things will go wrong and, oh yeah, sometimes I will lie. You have to expect that, because I'M THE DEVIL, but, really I like you, so trust me." <br /> <br /> Terry O'Quinn as MIB is very charming and likable at times when he's not turning into a black hurricane and slaughtering temples. He's a friendly, familiar smiling face and we like him. <br /> <br /> And I really hope Lost isn't planning to claim he'd The devil. <br /> but whatever he is - a man whose humanity was taken from him by Jacob as he's claimed, a djinn as some here have guesses, a Monster, a demon, "evil incarnate" in Jacob's words, someone who cannot break his word according to Jorge Garcia. Whatever NonLocke is - something I sure hope we find out when Lost closes it final chapter - I'm not sure that being dishonest and evasive is really his greatest character flaw. <br /> <br /> I accused Benjamin Linus of Deicide - killing his god - but just as Ben got Sayid and Michael to kill for him, so did MIB find his loophole and trick Ben into killing Jacob. If the kids in white and tan turn out to be MIB's visions of his own younger self, Deicide would certainly explain the blood on his hands. <br /> <br /> By the way, did you know that according to Lostpedia, in that famous beach conversation scene that earned Jacob's Nemesis his "Man In Black" nickname, he was actually wearing brown pants and a navy blue shirt? Not black. <br />

  • April 24, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Just checking in

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Even without me to defend myself, ass still starts alot of shit on here. Motherfuckers gave me a hard time for defending myself.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Don't ask me, ThrowMeTheIdol

    by VikkiMarsdale

    I was just pointing out that the headline "MIB cannot lie" was NOT what the article or Jorge said. What he said was that MIB keeps his word when he makes promises. I'm not Hurley, I just weight more than he does. I'm assuming that a guy who works on the show and has seen the scripts to the unseen episodes knows something, but then, I've heard that even he's been critical of parts of the show he doesn't understand on his blojosphere or his tweeter or whatever. MIB never said Jorge doesn't lie. <br /> <br /> TLF - for some reason I keep thinking of you as Spider, even though they have more than 2. Your point is spot on. If on the verge of dying young shot Ben was subjected to the same healing process in the Temples "resurrection pool" as Sayid, it may have had a similar or identical "soul killing" demoralizing effect on him. <br /> But if Ben can repent his deeds, IF Sayid let Desmond live, If Claire chose to trust Kate over "her friend" and hand over her gun - even with her ominous "if he finds out you took his boat he's going to be mad" warning - then maybe it is possible to come back from that whole "being taken" or "claimed" by "the darkness' jazz that Dogen was on about. <br /> <br /> MacFaux, welcome back. I missed you most of all, scarecroux.<br /> "Season 1 was the start of the Alt slash sideways slash 'other' verse..." I hope to read your thoughts on that later.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Hey Rizz

    by VikkiMarsdale

    You talking about Tex? I was not aware that he'd posted to this talkback at all. <br /> Gotta love the Maltheus.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Although with Ben

    by paburrows

    He was already moving down the path of darkness before getting taken to the Temple. His Father was abusive, he hate him, he hated Dharma, he had this unhealthy admiration towards the Others (kind of what seemed like the bad boys of the school). So if the Temple pool did any changing for the worse it wasn't much. One thing that I wish though is that we could have seen the Temple resurrection pool in action before it got all dirty. But then people have been complaining about some element every season of the series wiether it was that Darlton didn't reveal the contents of the hatch in season 1, or Anna Lucia or killing off the Tailies, or leaving the island, etc, etc. People just like to complain.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Like I said above a Sawyer and Miles cop show

    by GQtaste

    would be more exciting than what were getting. I suppose I had too high expectations coming into this year. I feel it could have been better paced. <p> Fair enough on the temple. I thought they mishandled it by introducing new characters ie Asian dude and Johnny Lennon, only to kill them off suddenly. I"ll give you the Rose and Bernard issue too. I was a fan of Juliet and didn't like the fact that they killed her off. Not that she fell into that hole. I liked that she and Lefeur were happy and content w/o that goddamn love triangle w/ Kate and Jack and James no longer. <p> At first thought I assumed it would go right back to being the same thing again. It wasn't a waste of time killing IIana off I didn't like the way they handled it. We didn't get any more info on her back story having to do w/ Jacob. <p> But we can agree to disagree and like I said if they pull this off in the last few episodes I'll be here w/ hat in hand saying I was wrong. i've just been underwhelmed by this season. <p> I take that back that you're the biggest sycophant. That goes to Mr. Jay hands down. He'd be happy w/ the end being any old thing. He may even be on the payroll the way he gets emotional about the show.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Actually Im the biggest sycophant

    by paburrows

    I have loved every episode of the series, well except for the Bai Ling Tattoo one. Even that had some cool on island moments.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I think a lot of the disappointment comes from

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    And yes i know that many are not disappointed and many like it, that's cool. But for those that are kind of bummed I think it's a lot to do with the show mostly ignoring the Dharma stuff and all the issues related with that. The answers they are giving us are the mystical answers and those are not really the ones that we need to know. I can live without knowing why there were whispers or ghosts or whatever. But it helps to know the more human stuff that is supposed to make sense. The Dharma stuff.<p> Everyone loved the Des episode and I don't think it was just because of Des being cool - it was the episode that most related to the Dharma experiments and all that, with the EMP coils and that lab we'd last seen in The Other Woman.

  • April 24, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Vikki ..you can take me out to a field and pour ...

    by MacFaux

    gasoline on me and set me on fire and I will still dig you posts... <br /><br />well... not really. not the gas thing ..but.. anyway.<br /><br />Let me tell you 'bout Jungian Synchronicity and whatevers...<br /><br />So, I was cleaning out my old AICN links and, listening to my Itunes, scrolling through old black and whites in Iphoto and all that. Click. Click. pause. delete. Click. Click. Song comes on. The Verve. <br /><br />'Lucky Man'<br /><br />And. Then.<br /><br />I hit the talkback for episode 13 of 'Journeyman' node 35116.<br /><br />..and I am Johnny Goodshows angry canceled appreciation. Mostly, at the stupid stupid assholy-ness of NBC suits who did not give that bonnie drama a chance. It sends my finger spinning on the mouse wheel. Rapid scroll. rapid scroll. I am scrolling so fast that the page is moving faster than my clickety click on the mouse. So, I reverse my scroll and guess what happens?<br /><br />No guess? The page stops on post.. on comment 1934906. Time 4:00:28 ...."anybody know where the New Amsterdam article and talkback is? I thought AICN was all about these fantasy shows." -Napoleon Park<br /><br />Same time, my IPhoto is to shots taken at the Cafe't Anker, and the last time I smoked a spliff...On a daytrip. <br /><br />Out of. Yep. Amsterdam.<br /><br />1994.<br /><br />To fuckin weird. God, or the other thing, has a sublime and mathematical sense of humor.<br /><br />I swear to your favorite whatever... true story. just happened. <br /><br />hmmmpf.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    i actually pay myself GQ...

    by jay2517

    a nickel every time u idiot "bitchers" like urself and 2Legged post. AGAIN... we get it u dont like Lost. so what do u get from posting about something u dont like? waah waaahh we like season's 1-5 BUT, not this season... riiiiight sure u did u dumfuks. btw, thanks for another nickle broheim(s)...

  • April 24, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    @paburrows ...Damn you Pa. Damn you straight to the thing you

    by MacFaux

    will see in the series finale. You and Cheif. Why?<br /><br />You misunderestimate the awesome of episode 3.9 'Stranger in a Strange Land' <br /><br />....Bai Ling Rules! Jack's Tatts rule. Juliet's Mark rules! Isabel rules! Ursa Theodorus! Your excellent art does not shield you from a "C'mon, man!" ..for hating the best episode in the whole damn show.<br /><br />..you too, Cheif. "C'mon, man!"

  • April 24, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Here's another Nickel Jay

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I like Lost ---how many nickels does it take to get that in your head.<br /><br />Its just not perfect...a bit like you really.<br /><br />And being able to discuss whats good or bad about something enables you to get the most value out of it.<br /><br />Got that...move on then Big Broheim.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Psst ---everyone---whilst Jays not looking

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Isn't the internet fabulous.<br /><br />It scares me to death to think what might have happened 20 years ago if somebody as apparently unstable as Jay didn't have somewhere to vent.<br /><br />Thats just between us though--don't mention it to Jay.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    @Vikki ..and bout that whole 1st verse is 2nd verse is...

    by MacFaux

    really the Alt. The flash-sidways ..whatever, dude. Why? <br /><br />Jack's bloody knuckles and his edged weapon wound to port....<br /><br />....and of course, Kates bruised, garroted suprasternal notch as she walks out the jungle of mystery.<br /><br />Taijitu.

  • April 24, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Mac Faux

    by paburrows

    I never said that I hated Stranger in a Strange Land buddy, just not my favorate.

  • April 24, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    @pa Like, love, hate. Your art is is still grand. make shirts..

    by MacFaux

    Quick. But. Follow not the declaration of Cheif. 3.9 is the BEST episode of the series.<br /><br />And. Am I the only one on the intertubes who saw the LOST footage in FRINGE?<br /><br />Ah, hell... hmmpf. What you gonna do when a character ..or 2.. show up in that show?<br /><br />~smile~

  • April 24, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    MacFaux, re:

    by BillboeFett

    Can I get you to slow down for one brief moment and explain, in detail, in a completel sentence, what the "Jack's bloody knuckles" business is about? You keep referencing it, without an actual reference.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    May 23 - pilot episode, recap show, final episode

    by Tall_Boy66

    And then the Jimmy Kimmel interview special after that. Sounds interesting, but a part of me was hoping for a pop-up video episode of the previous week's ep. just to keep it all in the S6 family. Anyway, yeah, sounds like a crazy day of TV, and I think it's kinda cool that ABC would devote an entire, what (if they show the pilot episode all 2 hrs of it beforehand), 6 hours of Lost programming to go out on? It'll probably be a killer gangbusters ratings, if not Superbowl or final episode of MASH levels, I get the feeling it'll at least easily win the night. It's a Sunday night, what else do you got with no NFL?

  • April 24, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    im a rational dude...

    by jay2517

    just cant put up with BS in real life or this lovely place called the intraweb. u 2 MOs are the same every week. bitch about everything that didnt happen the way u wanted and then cry-- "but, i really like Lost honest"!! btw...take ur own advice and move on to a show u like...

  • April 24, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    @BillboeFett .....No.

    by MacFaux

    I will not explain anything to you. Because, I do not respect poseurs who plagiarize other poseurs. Savor this. It will be the last time I ever type to you. Ever. Again. <br /><br />Was that as reciprocally insulting enough for you? Where all my sentences 'completel sentence' 's'. hmmpf.<br /><br />No? nothin? Ok. <br /><br />Be well. Have a nice life.

  • April 24, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    But Jay

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The last thing I am doing is bitching because something happened the way I didn't like -- this is where some of your possible retardation unfortunately comes to the fore.<br /><br />My criticisms are more around how they deliver the story they want to tell. E.g the rather pat and tick box way they are resolving some earlier secrets.<br /><br />You do understand that, don't you ?<br /><br />I just worry that you are really intellectually incapable of understanding what people are saying.<br /><br />Just had a thought--- can you actually read or do you get a small child to read these posts to you and then one of those trained monkeys to type your responses. Its just that there is really some kind of intellectual disconnect here that worries me because it makes you look like a deranged loon.<br /><br />Be well big guy.

  • April 24, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Yup. Texas is Blocked. He still posts.

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    But I can switch it off and see what he posts from time to time. Power Mod is a great thing.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    shit talking locke

    by HanzoST

    ben monkey pounces onto lockes back right when locke is distracted by a awesome mango and stuffs in a bunch of turds from some righteous assholes. do it.

  • April 24, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    into lockes talk liar shit hole

    by HanzoST

  • April 24, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    by HanzoST

    of a mouth!!

  • April 24, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Has anybody wondered...

    by VENOM69

    who Juliette is going to Kill when she shoots at the 2nd canoe that was following her, sawyer, etc at the beginning of season 5? What if its sawyer? This last episode is going to be the most talked about in TV history

  • April 24, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    good lord 2 legged i understand...

    by jay2517

    ummm ok... "my criticisms are more around how they deliver the story they want to tell. E.G. the rather pat and tick box way they are resolving some earlier secrets"... so u make my point and CONTRADICT urself u fuking idiot!! YOU are bitching at the show BECAUSE its not delivering the answers THE WAY U WANT THEM!!! THATS BITCHING AMD MOANING DUMASS!!! how the fuck am i the "trained monkey"?? GOOD LORD lol... you do understand that, don't you?

  • April 24, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    MacFaux takes the way of MIB

    by BillboeFett

    You want me to lash out in anger, but I'm not going to, thats the way of MIB. I've never plagiarized you once, and the one time I asked you for proof, you didn't provide it. Eveeryone witnessed it. </BR> I've never, ever, ever come on here under a diffeent nick, so fuck off on that aspect too. </BR> paburrows, Napoleon Park aka Vicki, CheifBrody, can all vouch for me. </BR> Keep posting bloody knuckles theories that go nowhere and mean nothing, and people will keep not taking you seriously or even thinking for longer than a second about your ideas. </BR> And don't give me a dismissive wank either, I am the one who's idea it was to keep the oringial node going until the premiere, and the proof is in that talkback, if your computer cna handle it. </BR> I've tried to be at peace with you, but you respond like a nutjob from Vietnam. </BR> Your irrational paranoia about talkbackers hacking passwords and hiding under aliases is really rather distrubring at worst and amusing at best. </BR> This is the way you want to go out with less than a month of LOST left? </BR> Go right ahead, but I'm not participating. Peace man.

  • April 24, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    ATTN paburrows sir

    by BillboeFett

    please vouch for me to MacFaux and tell him we've interacted, I've been in the room23 IRC room, we've emailed, I've posted on your blog, etc. </BR> He has this massive distrust towards me and I think its completely unwarranted. </BR> P.S. You seem to be the #1 facebook friend recommend for me from facebook auto-friend :)

  • April 24, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    VENOM69, re: Juliet outrigger scene

    by BillboeFett

    I'm calling Miles as the one Juliette pops in the outrigger scene. </BR> I can see him in the Ben/Richard group as openly firing on MIB, though they wouldn't have done that before the last episode </BR> and no way in hell they take out Ben or Richard like that

  • April 24, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    VENOM69, one more

    by BillboeFett

    This would also be the justification for why someone would open fire on "John Locke"

  • April 24, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    re answers

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    for those disappointed with the answers, are you disappointed with a) the answer, b) how its been exposed or c) both<br />On a )some would be fair criticisms, the reveal of Smokey for me was awesome. I prefer to be shown rather than told. But being shown is not always so easy and we normally learn in everyday life through being told, i.e books, school. On the Whispers reveal, if we had seen from Hurleys POV a large number of ghosts talking/whispering that may have been slightly more effective, who knows.<br />On b)my feeling is that no matter what the answer is people would be disappointed, I really think that for humans we look at mysteries in a quit contradictory fashion, i.e mysteries drive us to get an answer, but success finding that answer often leaves us feeling flat. Its like we want some "perfect" answer something we could have never thought of , but at the same time we dont think that answer is stupid.<br />Personally I have been happy or ok with the answers we have got this season. I do hope there will be some mysteries unresolved, something to think about, argue etc once the series is over

  • April 24, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Nice Post Miyamoto, My Thoughts

    by Crow3711

    I mostly completely agree with you, but I also think I can put myself in the camp of the people you are asking about why the answers seem disappointing to some. It's like you said, people wanted the answers to be some awesome crazy thing that puts everything into place and yet no one ever thought of it. That's just impossible. Mysteries are always more compelling than answers. Your imagination is more exciting than concrete facts. But at the same time, I think some of the answers, paricularly the christian reveal, and the whispers to a lesser extent are just...I think the word is, they are a little easy. They aren't exciting answers, it's just like, oh, yeah that makes sense for the most part, okay. None of them have been mindlbowing, except, as you said, smoke monster reveal. I think people expected to have their minds blown with the answers, and while that was misguided, its reality. Also, if I had to complain about them, my feeling is that the answers work, the christian answer works...but only 99% of the time. With the whispers too, there are specific instances that just....it doesn't quite add up. I think with the whispers it would make more sense if they said what kind of things prompt the spirits to suddenly make these noises, bceause they always seem to come right before somthing terrible happened...but the problem is they also caused the terrible things to happen though fear (shannon being shot) which sort of goes against the feeling I got that michael, as a ghost, and whoever else was out in the jungle, wasn't really interested in hurting anyone. And with Christian, my biggest problem is Smokey said he can't float over water, so how did he appear as Christian on the freighter to tell Michael "You can go now, Michael" I don't understand that at all. And didn't we see Christian off-island once? Makes no sense. And, he says he was always trying to help them in these manipulative ways, and of course, hes an evil liar, so its probably not totally true. But if he was trying to help them, even a little bit, why did he constantly terrorize them in the jungle and try to kill them for two seasons? Of course, again there is the possibility he was never going to kill them and just wanted to talk....but...come on. It's inconsistent at best. So, I think those are some reasons some people aren't happy with some of the answers. Me personally, even the complains I mentioned, don't really bother me that much. I'm watching for moments like Jack jumping off the boat. I need to know what happens. I'm less interested in who built the doneky wheel or whatever. Even though that is coming too.<br /><br />Also, one more thing...wasn't David's line reading of "I'm sad for YOU, Dad." to Jack just hilarious. I've watched it twice and involuntarily burst out laughing both times. So weird.

  • April 24, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    great post Musa...

    by jay2517

    cant agree more. Crow...whispers-- the reason they cant "communicate" is part of their punishment. they realize now that they fucked up their opportunity on the island. they dont get a do over but, they CAN TRY to help the candidate(s) make the right choice. its a type of karma u know? Christian-- remember he was dressed in his funeral suit (when jack saw him on island)-- the LAST (off-island before the crash) image jack saw of his dad-- MIB took that form cause their was none other to take. now, "christian" has been seen in different clothes by jack (off-island) locke, sun, claire and lapidus (on island). could that not be actually "ghost" or "whisper" christian?? its looking like certain "whispers" (jacks dad and isabella) are becoming more prevalent broheim(s)...

  • April 24, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    lol cowardBOY...

    by jay2517

    u love feeding dont u?? figured u got enough of (((JAKA)))'s vagina by now...

  • April 24, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    But They Weren't Helping Anyone Jay

    by Crow3711

    They were just scaring the shit out of everyone and making innocent people get shot. Not to mention they always showed up just before the others would appear, or some other malevolent force. I'm not arguing at all, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. If they are trying to help the candidates, as you say, why do they always make noise at the most inopportune moments, right before something terrible happens. If they wanted to come out and say they "we were trying to warn you of something bad" or something like that, I'd buy it, but they didn't. They just said, yes, those are ghosts in the woods, basically. Why they do what they do? Not gonna say. I personally don't really care. But I think that's why some people didn't like the answer. It doesn't always add up.

  • April 24, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    I'm so stupid Bilboefett...

    by VENOM69

    I meant outrigger not canoe.Thanks for the input either way. Miles? hmm that would dispose of a non-815 character easily, I'm going with frank or SUN!

  • April 24, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Miyamoto re: answers

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    With respect to the Locke scene, I liked how they dramatized it, but I felt the answer didn't fit with what had been shown on the series before. I'm withholding judgement about the scene in case he was lying to Jack but if that was the truth then it just doesn't track for me.<p> My disappointment about the whispers reveal was in the really dumb way they dramatized it. Even Jorge Garcia couldn't believe it and said so on his podcast. He's just walking along and then is like hold on a minute, walks a few feet away, calls out Michael and asks him. It was so clumsily done.<p> A lot of good storytelling is telling with conviction so that any glitches don't stand out in light of the confidence the story overall is told with and that's where I think they are messing up. There's a kind of limp half-thought out quality to it all.<p> My biggest disappointment with the answers is that none of them are about the many more human mysteries - what was Daniel up to in Michigan for 3 years, who are Desmond's parents, and so on - there are a bunch of those type of questions. I can live with the mystical stuff being not explained. But strangely they are mainly explaining the mystical stuff.

  • April 25, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    CAN TRY crow...

    by jay2517

    they cant help but, they're on the island seeing other people mess up like they did. they are TRYING to help. thats the punishment. they cant just yell "HEY"!! MAYBE they've been trying to "push" the candidates for their own reasons independent of jacob or the island...

  • April 25, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    IF mib escapes they do too???

    by jay2517

    hmmmmm.....

  • April 25, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    thats the "EVIL" thats corked up on the island...

    by jay2517

    and cant escape. not MIB but, the "fucked up/selfish" souls/ghosts? no MIB---no "guard" to hold them back anymore?? hmmmm.....

  • April 25, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I just had a thought about that well

    by paburrows

    that Desmonds in. Most of us think (including me) that Sayid did not shoot Desmond. But what if he did? Now remember that Locke told Des that Well was another of the energy pockets. We have seen Eletricity and time travel pockets. But what if Sayid did shoot Desmond, but the energy pocket in that well is the energy that has caused all of the healings? (Rose's Cancer, Locke's Legs, etc.) So the energy heals Desmond?

  • April 25, 2010, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Since there's a Fringe talkback I dont need to discuss it here.

    by VikkiMarsdale

    [by the way, Fringe spoilers, in case you watch it.]<br /> <br /> Since there's a Fringe talkback, I don't need to discuss it here...<br /> ...Except to concede that I do understand what some of the complainers here are saying.<br /> <br /> On Fringe, for some time they hinted that Peter was the Peter from the other dimension, starting around the time Walter visited his-Peter's grave. They added other references and clues until it was pretty obvious where they were going.<br /> then they did the "two buildings merging" episode where Olivia saw Peter's glow and knew he was from the other place and Walter asked her please don't tell him. They even used that as the cliffhanger to tide them over the hiatus.<br /> They returned with the origin story showing how and why Walter brought the Other Peter, then "Olivia says she's going to tell him, but decides not to" at which point Walter told her he was going to tell Peter, but wound up burning the letter. <br /> It was starting to look like they were going to drag the revelation out all season and then, whoosh. They learn of an attempt to bring a bridge over from the other side and they work to prevent it. Peter is on the bridge with the equipment to prevent the transfer when it happens. An FBI agent vibrates to pieces, but the man who came across was fine. And Peter survived.<br /> And he realizes why.<br /> <br /> See, the shows major mystery was resolved, not by having one character tell another "we have to talk" or handing another a letter, not by Peter coming out and asking "Am I from the alternate universe" and having Walter say yes, but through deductive reasoning during actual dramatic events. We - and Peter - were shown, not told.<br /> <br /> Unless I'm mistaken, that seems to be what a lot of the folks disappointed with how this season of Lost is handling doing out the answers have in mind. Too many questions asked and answered verbally and conversationally, not enough revealed in the course of the action. <br /> <br /> That doesn't spoil the show for me, but I can see that it's a valid criticism.

  • April 25, 2010, 2:41 a.m. CST

    FlashForward

    by paburrows

    Anyone notice who watched it that the African American Doctor was the guy who married one of the Huxtible daughters in "The Cosby Show"? That was cool.

  • April 25, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Geez this TB didn't bust 1000 post.

    by Xiphos_2

    That's a first.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:05 a.m. CST

    dream a little dream of me...

    by DreamSeasonBobby

    huh, Jack wakes up to find Bobby in his shower. Does that mean all of season 2.5 was a bad dream sequence? I digress. Great to finally get the Libby storyline more or less resolved, gives me hope that basically everything will be. With Lost and 24 ending back to back, this May looks to be a real turning of the page in TV history.

  • April 25, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST

    drunks on a beach at night

    by volcanobattlesmokey

    <p> I walked barefoot, I wore hand-me-downs. I near died of drought, but now I fear to drown. I, too, was a slave, I was told to die. I was locked into history before I learned to fly. First you showed me how to douse my fear, Then you taught me how to feel, I think, Then you saved me from myself, I sense. Baby, let me buy you a drink, Baby, let me buy you a drink. I ran with the hare and stalked with the hound I stared at my shoes while you were lying bound I once was a thief, one who stole of your soul Now I've come to rectify before I get too old. First you showed me how to douse my fear, Then you taught me how to feel, I think, Then you saved me from myself, I sense. Baby, let me buy you a drink, Baby, let me buy you a drink. Water is a fire; water isn't wet. Water is a higher power; water never forgets. And there's been too much sorrow, there's been so much wrong But water has the healing power; water, soft and strong. Let me buy you a drink. Baby, let me buy you a drink. Baby Baby Let me buy you a drink. </p> <p> kiss me goodbye pushing out before i sleep can't you see i try swimming the same deep water as you is hard "the shallow drowned lose less than we" you breathe the strangest twist upon your lips "and we shall be together..." "kiss me goodbye bow your head and join with me" and face pushed deep reflections meet the strangest twist upon your lips and disappear the ripples clear and laughing break against your feet and laughing break the mirror sweet "so we shall be together..." "kiss me goodbye" pushing out before i sleep it's lower now and slower now the strangest twist upon your lips but i don't see and i don't feel but tightly hold up silently my hands before my fading eyes and in my eyes your smile the very last thing before i go... i will kiss you i will kiss you i will kiss you forever on nights like this i will kiss you i will kiss you and we shall be together... </p>

  • April 25, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Beyond The Sea

    by VikkiMarsdale

    Somewhere beyond the sea somewhere waiting for me my lover stands on golden sands and watches the ships that go sailin'<br /> <br /> Somewhere beyond the sea she's there watching for me If I could fly like birds on high then straight to her arms I'd go sailin'<br /> <br /> It's far beyond the stars it's near beyond the moon I know beyond a doubt my heart will lead me there soon<br /> <br /> We'll meet beyond the shore we'll kiss just as before Happy we'll be beyond the sea and never again I'll go sailin'

  • April 25, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST

    The Hospital

    by Joe Pineapples A1

    in the alt timeline is very significant I think, everybody is heading there.....

  • April 25, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Billboe... read it again. yeah. up above.

    by MacFaux

    I was knocking myself as hard as you. poseur stealing from a poseur? No? nothin? ok.<br /><br />well. look. It is the AICN board. So, gruffly, profanely... who gives a shit. Lostboy do! It keeps takin the bait! Hypoxia-ly ..whatever dude. Sorry, kids.<br /><br />Fyi, B Fett. Good artists borrow, great artists steal ..I think Steve Jobs said it. or that painter guy. who knows.<br /><br />Be well.

  • April 25, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    MacFaux - you can't steal a gift. If you can hear it, have it.

    by rosasaks

    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/02/0081387

  • April 25, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    Vikki re answers and Fringe

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Have to say Fringe is getting up there for me, it was a show from the start I wanted to love, but for most part in the first season was just a show, this season it has really hit its strides and for me now it is essential viewing. <p> Also agree the way they handled the reveal with Peter was very well done. <p> John Noble should be competing with O'Quinn for best supporting actor

  • April 25, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    Actually you uncreative sack of filthy fuck, what you were doing was using irony, to imply that you were in fact, stealing peoples passwords. By using the word "hypothetically" over and over and using it in the way you did you actually give the word the opposite definition. Which is the definition of the word ironic, you stupid, no talent waste of space. So, if anyone needs to use a dictionary, it's you, you worthless cock stain. So, do the world a favor, and put that amazing brain of yours to work, on something worth it's talents. Like not shitting yourself. Too late? It okay, just tell your Mom you had an accident and try not to cry while she changes you. I promise she's mostly laughing at your incontinence, not your tiny baby cock. Mostly.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Lost and Kick Ass and 30 Rock

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Couple of funny moments watching 30 Rock and Kick Ass. <p> In 30 Rock Tina Fey's character mentioned the qualities that she wants in a man, on that list was someone who shuts up during Lost. <p> In Kick Ass (which I watched yesterday and loved it) the main character Dave worrying about dying, doesn't want to die before seeing the end of Lost

  • April 25, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    I especially liked the 30 Rock one, because it's not their show. Rather than shameless self promotion, they actually gave a shout out to a show that a least one of their writers loves. Which is funny because you mentioned Kick Ass, and they didn't use a single DC book in the comic store scenes for the very reason I think it's cool Liz said LOST.

  • April 25, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    MiB not making sense

    by TheLoveThemeofSybilandWilliam

    I read this theory on the inconsistencies of the MiB's story. It's obviously just someones theory but, it really does resolve a lot of the issues people seem to have.<br />http://tinyurl.com/2a2kdc5

  • April 25, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    How they may have expected fans to react

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    The show is revisiting every old set, from black rock,