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CW’s SMALLVILLE Hits Record Low!!
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“Smallville” received an early renewal for a 10th season last month, but The CW may now be thinking renewal came too early.
Friday’s episode apparently marked another new season low for a series that had already dropped substantially from its prior season, when it ran on Thursdays.
Preliminary reports put Friday’s episode at a .7 in the 18-49 demo, low even by The CW’s super-low standards. "'Melrose Place' territory," as the Hollywood Reporter's James Hibberd puts it.
The episode attracted just 1.9 million viewers, possibly an all-time low and certainly a big step down from the 4.8 million viewers it averaged over its first eight seasons.
CW HOURLONGS IN 18-49 (repeats in gray; previous weeks in parentheses):
1.6 (1.6) (1.3) (1.6) (0.5) (0.5) (1.0) (0.7) (0.7) (1.5) (1.9) (1.8) (1.6) (0.7) (0.6) Vampire Diaries
1.2 (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.7) (1.6) (-----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) America’s Top Model
1.2 (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (1.3) (0.6) (0.6) Supernatural
1.0 (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) (1.0) (1.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (-----) (0.3) (0.3) Gossip Girl
0.9 (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (----) (----) Life Unexpected
0.7 (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) 90210
0.7 (0.8) (1.0) (----) (----) (----) (0.7) (1.1) (1.0) (1.0) (1.2) (1.1) (----) (0.5) (0.6) Smallville
0.5 (0.4) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.2) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.4) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) Melrose Place
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Your childish vendetta against the show aside, you guys already posted this story as part of Friday's ratings. Which is it, Herc? Axe to grind, or are you just incompetent?
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I'm not defending the show completely, last week's episode sucked ass( not THE Banshee,but a Banshee at a bed and breakfast mystery?) but you have to take in to consideration people like me who DVR or TIVO the show while they enjoy a Friday evening out. I like Supernatural about ten times more than I've ever liked any show but I ain't staying home on a friday or saturday night to watch it. People that catch shows online after the original airdate have to account for a massive amount of the market. Even if thats not how they base the ratings it should count for something. On a story level though, the writers need to pick it up. We ain't going to have a Superman at the movie anytime in the next two years so turning the "blur" into a real honest to God flying Superman wouldn't kill you. Might be a good pay off to some of us that's been enduring this show for ten years.
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As much as it sounds like a scapegoat, the Friday Night Death Slot is real. Every genre show that is thrown up on there suffers in the ratings. Networks know this, and obviously, they do not care. I can only hope for a schedule rearrangement so Smallville can get a more reasonable day and time. They could also cut better promos, too.
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For some reason I can see why the numbers are down for a Friday Night seeing that for the past two weeks they have been airing the show on Saturday nights in SA, TX.
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The one night of the week, other than Saturday, that people go to the movies, get laid, attempt to get laid, hang out with friends, play video games, surf the net, etc, and they are shocked that ratings are done over 70%? Whatever, they did this **** to themselves, but it's not like Wednesday and Tuesday don't have openings in their schedules.
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Also, I work every Friday night since the start of the year, and so, I have no option to watch the show live as it airs. I HAVE to TiVo it!
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Supernatural gets about that and that's been on for years.
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The two on one against Metallo was cool. I do think they need to introduce more DC characters since that seems to boost the ratings most of the time. I wonder if the ratings have more to do with pre-emptions do to baseball, Philly didn't have the show til 11:30pm last week.
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If you're paid to do a job, then you turn around and do the exact same job when the job has already been competed, you should get fired. Like if someone made a burger for a person, they paid for it, then ate it, and then the person behind the counter made another burger for the same customer, yet the customer has left and NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET will eat that burger, then the person behind the counter is terrible at their job and will be fired. That's what Herc is with this post. The person behind the counter. Making burgers. Wearing a funny paper hat.
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I'm watching Smallville in a few minutes because it was pre-empted due to MLB game. (Likewise around the country.)Smallville got renewed for a 10th Season anyway.
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was preempted by a mets game and then local program. Totally different demographic.
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I love how this site cares about some shows, and then other shows they just don't report on at all-
Doesn't make sense for a visitor to come here expecting to find news and commentary-
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....and I couldn't be happier. This season is much better then the previous seasons. I would hate to not see a 10th season, but in reality, the show has run its course.
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it's true.
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Smallville was prempted in the NY area for the METS game last night. It's airing tonight.
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Get over it, Smallville is still here and it's not going anywhere no matter how much you don't like it Herc
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If it wasn't shown in NYC and who knows which other Baseball cities due to games then well no wonder, thanks for coming out though Herc
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Then you can combine both piles of steaming shit for one great big massive celebration of suck.
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You are wasting your time and ours trying to get it cancelled.
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it's gonna happen
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I almost never post, because I'm not angry enough to be interesting. That being said, I catch Smallville when I can. Herc the way you single out this show should be an absolute embarassment to you.
I guess you were trying to seem more professional this season by posting the ratings of shows every night-that can be seen at fifty other sights... Then you consistently single out a show on the CW...that's laughable.
At least you will never be mistaken as anyone we should ever take seriously. God forbid someday some asks you to do something that matters on this site. Thanks for mostly posting ratings lately, that way we don't have to listen to the opinion of someone who acts like an eight year old... -
Lets see...Smallville's been renewed for a 10th season, is heavily downloaded and sells a crapload of DVDs. These facts are, I'm sure, enough to counter some dweeb's bitchy little graphs.
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Get some more writers for Coaxial. This one is a used up pile of bitterness. I'm wondering when the other account he has will show up to dispute.
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As it grows over the season.
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There will be more writers for Coaxial around the same time the forums get an edit button
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even I seem to notice this strange obsession with its ratings.
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low ratings are a surprise because?
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http://tinyurl.com/y2xtg4b
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...so a lot of places, the East Coast included, are just watching last nights episode right now.
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It would help if all these graphs -- especially when several are given in the same article -- have the same vertical scale! Otherwise, they look pretty much the same.
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My continued anger at Herc's FOX-esque reporting made me fuck up again.
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I was worried Herc was going soft on Smallville for a while. Although, come to think of it, he didn't refer to Tom Welling as 'Superboy' or comment about his age or anything. Surely we are living in the end times.
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No real advancement in the supes character.
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Apr 17, 2010 7:47:14 PM CDT
Good one, M Johnson! CW has made no gains over the years!
by hollywoodhellraiser
At least Fox left the shit and became a contender! CW had good shows like Buffy, Angel, Gilmore Gilrs, Veronica Mars and still it never gotten over that hump!
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Does this account for TIVO, DVR, watching it online? I'm sure it doesn't.
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...since about season five. As much as I agree with many of Herc's choices, his obvious hatred for Smallville and Supernatural is getting tiresome. What is it? You can't stand the fact that these shows remain popular despite the low ratings and your attempts to torpedo them?
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I'm quite sure everything has to run by Harry first, and to get heavy traffic to his site post an article about a genre show is going to garner more traffic than saying that Supernatural and Lost are solid shows. I mean it's journalism 101, and I don't blame Herc for post this stuff. I think if it was up to him he would take more about Justified or Chuck or a cool show like Pawn Stars, but he doesn't because he has a boss to answer too like most of us. Harry has the final say, and that's that.
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the wait is over, this show's damn stories and characters are getting boring. I WANT SUPERMAN. But I know that won't likely happen due to the fact Nolan handling the Supes franchise now.
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There is no doubt in anyone's mind. If Smallville was still on Thursdays and a strong lead for Supernatural, Herc would still figure out a way to bash the show.
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to middle of the week against NCIS?
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Superboy in a suit would too much resemble the Seigel (sic?)/ Schuster concept. There was a lawsuit already re. Smallville. Check out the Saturday morning Superboy series for the suit.
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Apr 17, 2010 8:30:44 PM CDT
They really need to push the story forward now, flying, superman
by saen
Take a page from Spartacus's book and just push forward no matter the cost. Stop this pathetically slow crawl.
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They keep recycling themes and issues and plots. "Lois and Clark" doesn't have 1/10th the interest that Clark and Lana did. Everyone except Clark flies. It's floundering pretty bad. Soon, we'll have a dozen flying Kryptonians and still, Clark won't fly. I want to like it more than I do...but every week is like the show is in stasis.
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The non-figths, and the terrible dramatic stare offs are killing this cool concept show. You know, they don't put in the horrible drama becouse they think it's good storytellnig. They do it, becouse the CW will only afford scenes like "Tess and Zod meet in Clark's barn for no reason, and talk about their feelings." or "Clark watches the sunset , contemplating his emotions. Seriously, the use and reuse of the three or four sets they've built is shameless on this show. The Kent farm's barn being the funniest of them (characters who never been there, organize secret meetings in THE BARN to discuss Clark.) The stupid is getting awesome on this show though. Every line of dialogue from Chloe's mouth is pure Batman and Robin level camp, full of puns. "It's time to turn up the HEAT on our COLD BLOODED icy killer..."
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This season has easily been the best.
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This is why ratings are such crap. I don't know about the rest of the country but here in NY, there was a crappy baseball game on and Smallville was moved to Saturday. So make sure your research is valid and stop hating a show that's pretty damn good and has been getting better every season. I hope the Avengers movie sucks just to get you off your knees while in the Marvel headquarters.
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I can see now what you hairy palmed bunch of f**kers are talking about, Herc is OBSESSED with Smallville, and not in a good way. Rather, a man in a raincoat hanging around outside an elementary school kind of way. Stop the stalking Herc, you big filthy perv!
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If so... no wonder the ecomony is in the crapper
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Ejaculation blasting through her cousin. Really. There was a whole segment about it a few weeks ago. Clark and his dad have been working really hard together on self control.
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With the fucking digs at Smallville's ratings, ya bitch!
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Hell, I was pissed when the CW cancelled Angel but at least they gave Whedon's shows a chance (unlike FOX).If Whedon does a good job with The Avengers, that'll be his FU to FOX. They should've given him the reigns to reboot The X-Men, not Singer.
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It's already been renewed.
Smallville ratings don't mean shiat now.
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I went to the link to review the story on Smallville and came across the article titled above in the subject line. The trailer is amazing. Should have been released in theaters!
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SO yeah I would imagine the numbers took a hit.
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Smallville is that much closer to cancellation! Let's hope it happens soon before this once awesome series embarrasses itself any more than it already has!
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Apr 17, 2010 9:54:08 PM CDT
Smallville has been better in it's eighth and ninth seasons...
by nasty in the pasty
...than Heroes has been in it's second and third seasons.
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it's tired at this point. You hate the show. Got it... you know what, 10th season. Get. Over. It.
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Stop hiding behind numbers the network obviously doesn't give a shit about and tell us exactly what you think of these shows.
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That's why. Thursdays it did better. It didn't hit Lost numbers but it did much better than its doing now.
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ANGEL
(viewers in millions)
Season 1: 4.9
Season 2: 4.1
Season 3: 4.4
Season 4: 3.7
Season 5: 4.0
VERONICA MARS
(viewers in millions)
Season 1: 2.5
Season 2: 2.3
Season 3: 2.5
CURRENT CW DRAMAS
(viewers in millions)
2.4 Supernatural
1.9 Gossip Girl
1.9 Smallville
1.8 Life Unexpected
1.5 90210
1.1 Melrose Place
3.1 Vampire Diaries
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with DVDs and Syndication they are just printing money. But as we've been saying, Smallville is on Friday now..Friday = Bad Ratings and baseball season isnt too forgiving to CW channels with preempting their shows, as everyone has said again and again and again. Get over it Herc, there's really no validity to your point, you're comparing Apples to Oranges
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Veronica Mars had stellar reviews. Figure in the uprise of DVR and net viewings, and well...yeah...
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WB, TuesdaySeason 1: 5.0
Season 2: 6.3
WB, WednesdaySeason 3: 4.9
Season 4: 4.4
WB, ThursdaySeason 5: 4.7
CW, ThursdaySeason 6: 4.1
Season 7: 3.8
Season 8: 3.7
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Or, at the very least, 3 years ago
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I agree with everything you're saying, and believe I've made all those points myself in the recent past.
The WB and CW obviously no longer care that much about ratings (though that .7 probably gave their execs some pause today), which could likely prove a great thing for TV in the long run. If anything, I wish they stopped caring 10 years ago. -
Believe me I agree, would have been nice to have Veronica Mars still around for a few more seasons.
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I hate to say that too. I have stuck with this show for its entirety, never missed an episode. At this point I only watch because I have stuck with it so long. If I have to sit through one more scene that involves 2 enemies coyly having a threatening conversation while smiling at each other (every scene with Tess), I may throw my shoe at the screen. I will probably be shopping for a new TV next week.
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but one of the more powerful ones, definately
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If you could be troubled to read the numbers above you would see Supernatural does way better than Smallville. In fact its their second highest rated scripted show behind Vampire Diaries. The CW as a whole appears to be tanking. Look at their ratings decline. Even a hit like Vampire Diaries isn't pulling massive numbers it would have a couple years ago. And I have to agree. We get that you hate Smallville Herc, but the horse is well and dead now, let it be.
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I wonder how the ratings stack up once you tack on the Saturday ratings in that pre-empted NY market. I guarantee you that Smallville viewers are loyal enough to have tuned in, in spite of earlier preemption. I'm not saying that it will or won't add a huge amount of viewers, but this is not a small broadcast zone.
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Why doesn't CW promote it better. Hell, why doesn't CW promote at all? All I see is ads for Beverly Hills and that shit Melrose Place.
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The CW is a business and they care about the bottom line. If they can sell ad revenue for those shows like Gossip Girl and 90210 and even Smallville and Supernatural, plus make the money up on the back end with DVD and Blu Ray sells than they don't care. It'll keep the doors open and that's what you have to do.
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As SMALLVILLE ratings trend lower, sales of Vaseline jars and Kleenex trend higher. I have no idea why.
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Apr 17, 2010 11:46:59 PM CDT
Herc's hatred for Smallville is displaced Angel shitcan rage
by tall_boy66
He just admitted it by randomly posting how Angel and Veronica Mars ratings, so he transfers that rage towards their cancellation on unsuspecting targets. Like Smallville and any other shows on the network. Basically, the point of this newstory is that Herc gets angry about something he can't control (Angel and VM and whatever getting shitcanned) and then beats the crap out of a conveniently nearby target (Smallville). The moral of the story? Herc beats his wife to make himself feel better. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
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Can't believe how many people here don't get it. Smallville airs on FRIDAY NIGHTS on the freakin CW network. FRIDAYS. Move your beloved Supernatural to FRIDAYS and its ratings would, I guarantee you, be even lower than Smallville. The CW doesnt even have the reach or publicity the WB does -- so these comparisons you keep making with the WB ratings of 10 YEARS AGO or what Supernatural is doing on a different night altogether are just completely invalid. But hey, whatever you want to keep doing to piss on this show, good for you!
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...and to think that Smallville just got a 10th season while Dollhouse is still...wait a minute...yep, it's still cancelled. Hmm, they must be doing something right after all.
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The Giants game went over 17 minutes into Smallville's schedule. But to The CW's credit - or at least the local station - they started it at the beginning but that meant I missed the ending in the DVR recording. I can't wait for the DirecTV TiVo HD to come out so I can stop saying "DVR'ing" it and actually say I "TiVoed" it again. As for Supernatural, it kicks ass. Dollhouse sucked and deserved cancellation.
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I just realized I've posted this before, long ago, but totally true. Speaking of true, TRU CALLING WAS ONE THOUSAND TIMES BETTER THAN DULLHOUSE.
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clearly no other posters here care, and if they do its a VERY small percentage, so why post numbers? we really dont give a shit.
you are part of the reason I dont come to this site as much as I used to (basically only for 24 talkbacks) because you never give the users what they want. i pray you learn how to stop being a jerk bro. supernatural talk back. -
I'm surprised the show is still on. Then I realized its on the CW
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...are these just the "live" ratings, or are the DVR numbers factored in as well?
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and it did pretty well. They moved the show when audience interest was at its highest in Season 3 to Sunday nights and nearly killed it.
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I don't know if that's just a Smallville thing or a general tv thing, but that's been the trend for this show. Still, these are scary numbers for SV.
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Anyone remember the X-Files? That started out on Friday.
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You just made me flashback to a boyfriend who refused to do anything on Friday nights because X-files was on.
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When you put a show on on Fridays, you get low ratings, that's just a fact.
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I forbid you from reading my column.
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It couldn't have helped Smallville that it wasn't shown in New york/ new Jersey area because of a Mets game.
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I know we are ALL sarcastic internet babble monkeys, but Im also pretty sure you know you fuck us over on a continuous basis. The real question is..... WHY?
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..and it never corrected itself ever since! The first 3 seasons were great, with Clark learning how to use his maturing powers and a different power to focus on every season. Then came the flying problem in season 4, Kal El can fly but Clark never can? Add to that the inclusion of Lois Lane prematurely and you had this show squarely off its rails. We've had 5 seasons of the writers doing a wayward elseworlds that has no chance of finding a way back to what the initial audiences thought was going to be the ultimate pay off. i.e Clark becoming Superman in the tights etc etc. He's worked with Lois too long now, they're both in Metropolis and he doesn't wear the glasses let alone the colours anymore so how exactly can he ever use Superman as an Alter Ego unless he's wearing a mask? For them to fix this show it will take one hell of a contrived Time-Travel/Alternate Universe? Crisis-on-infinite-Earths type story to re-present the current show with a Clark Kent who wears glasses as his familiar guise with the other characters, return Lex Luthor to his rightful position and eradicate the cheesy Green Lantern league from the equation.
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It's not a shame it ended or was cancelled, it got plenty of time to tell some very good stories and wrap up the entire plot perfectly using a unique bookend narrative to both seasons. The potential of this show was never completely presented since there were too many times where sex and violence was the primary use of the Dollhouse. It would have better been presented as a HBO production with an allowance for graphic violence, nudity and action scenes. The episode where they had to dismembered the body of the guy Sierra killed after he raped and abused her on a regular basis is a prime example. That was Donnie Brasco' meets 'I spit on your Grave' stuff but handled with kid gloves becasue of the network its was on. Narratively, JW managed to realize the potential of the Dollhouse although many of the audience never stuck around long enough to see how broad this got. An excellent scifi show that deserves a place in the home video collection as well as an R-rated version.
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is nothing but a poon showcase. Not that I'm complaining....
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Apr 18, 2010 6:53:06 AM CDT
BIG JIM IS PSYCHIC!!!!!!!!!!!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Can nobody else see that he quoted Herc before Herc even made the statement, some posts up?Big Jim - please email me next week's lottery numbers at istillloveyoukathy@hotmail.com
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Totally this generations Kid Colter!
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It's pretty obvious he's holding a grudge and Smallville is the target of his ire.
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Apr 18, 2010 7:52:07 AM CDT
I really like what they've done with Zod and "The Blur"
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Pretty soon, Clark won't be able to use his own secret identity thanks to Zod and will have to find another one....
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Everyone knows CW doesn't really care what Smallville pulls in, because it makes millions per episode from DVD, syndication and abroad. Its DVR is pretty huge too, will bring its audience for this ep to around 3 million. Hercules also chose to ignore the fact the series has moved to Saturdays in some markets.
Hercules needs to grow up, it's shit like this "report" that devalues AICN and its rep. Why the fuck is Hercules picking on Smallville? What a pussy play. -
There was no new Smallville, here in NYC (umm, America's biggest media market) on Friday. There was a baseball game on. Hopefully, CW execs would take that into consideration? If not, then the numbers are really worthless because, as they sometimes say in business, apples aren't being compared to apples.
Can't believe they'd let Smallville be pre-empted in their biggest media market, then complain that no one watched it. Too weird.
Someone in this talkback said that it was actually shown on Saturday night here in NYC instead. If so, it was with no publicity saying that.
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...these numbers mean almost absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things and are a mere manifestation of a someone's desire to have power over the decision making process of someone else, there is a bit of gold lurking beneath the surface.
The reason the numbers are down is because the show has gotten so far off the beaten track that it is practically impossible to discriminate it from it's original premise, which was to show the process by which Clark becomes a man and a "super" man.
This incarnation is filled with slight references to established Superman canon while it attempts to rewrite the history and bring in myriad amounts of phenomena that were only hinted at or never occurred.
In other words, It is not Clark Kent. It is not Superman. It is something else entirely and it is not being well received, nor is it very well written.
The whole Lana arc went three years too long, the Lois arc has been too slow to develop, and the Chloe arc, even though I like Chloe, should never have happened.
Though the producers promise of "no flights, no tights" was given in good faith, it should have been abandoned after four years, once Clark reached high school graduation, because everything since then has been a complete mess.
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Eat it, Herc.
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Instead he let's Fox rape him in the ass twice and I bet he'll go back again.
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Tried checking the numbers Smallville hits on downloads? I bet more people watch it there than on their crappy network.
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So what? I've been enjoying this season, but the numbers are shit from a certain point of view, they are. NY IS a big market, though.
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...but even I can admit that when it's bad, it's god awful. After seven seasons of Lana going "I love you, but I can't be with you. You saved my life like, 200 times, but you lied to me, so I can't be with you etc" over and over again I was glad to finally see her FUCK OFF FOREVER and get down to Lois, who is actually the best live-action incarnation there's been, to my mind. And yes, I'm even counting Margot Kidder, because she was fucking hideous. Smallville at it's best is fan-service of the highest order, and when it's so good other people who have no real respect for the source material tune in, only good things can happen. I just wish that the quality level would stay pretty consistent. That said, I will stay with it to the end, any naysayers can stick with their Supernatural, which pretty much lost me when they introduced the circle of salt as a defense mechanism. Cue me in the office sprinkling salt around myself to make fun of the Supernatural nerds and going "Whoa! Hey, stay back! I've got a circle of salt! It is IMPENETRABLE! Ha ha!".
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or, the other possibility, Hercules has the ability to edit his posts and re-post them. So, what is more probable? Me being able to predict the future, to be able to read Herc's mind from 3,000 miles away, or the possibility of these TB's having an Edit function. Yeah, I know, when you put it that way, the answer is obvious. I'm psychic.
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had ever watched Supernatural they would have known to just put down a little salt outside the bedroom door and could have saved themselves all that hassle.
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i'll be watching till the end of the 10th season. i don't mind the lack of tights but the slow burn with the kryptonians are beginning to bug me. still, i'm looking forward to seeing more DC characters on the show
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I think alot of people do the same. Ours is terrible, the over the air signal is about 30ft wide, non-HD, and half the time it's out on cable because the pick it up from the crappy OTA signal.
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I dont know about anyone else, but I'm never home in time to catch it on Friday. And if I am, I'm busy winding down or prepping for the weekend.
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I guess I'm a minority here, but I like seeing the ratings for shows. I think it's interesting to see what's going on from week to week.
I do miss the episode previews, though. The one's where Herc used to break down what was coming up in the episode airing that night, with the ending line hidden as a spoiler. Those things. Loved 'em. -
and I'm not an avid viewer. Will catch it if it's on. While I agree that it's not spot-on with the DC mythos, at least DC has a representative of their brand on network TV!
Where's our Marvel version of this?Mutant X didn't count. How badly did that suck. Heroes raped Marvel plots and storylines. The closest thing we get is Super-hero squad! -
need to pitch a live action Marvel TV show. They get it. They understand Marvel history, and while they don't always follow it, they respect it. A Fantastic Four TV show maybe? There's certainly enough good plotlines for a long-running family-friendly series!
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Going on 10 years and he still hasn't figured out how to fly, the story lines are are becoming old and worn out. Give him the ability to fly, if you only have 1 more season, then start tying it up, move it closer to the real superman. Do a time warp type set of shows then get glasses and move to tights in the 10th season. Tie it up and then let it go.
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And I feel guilty about insulting the Power Rangers in that way. Take this last episode. Fortress of Solitude, Metallo's making the two Kryptonians weak. They freezebreath him and he's all encased in ice--then they feel all better, standing a couple of feet away from him, until he breaks out of the ice. That's ICE, not lead. Idiot writers can't even get kryptonite right. There was a ray of hope earlier in the episode when Metallo and Clark first spot each other, then WHOOMP--Zod, revealing his powers to Clark for the first time, blows up the trailer Metallo's standing in into smithereens. I'm like, "way to throw us a curve! Start out making us think it's a Metallo episode, only to vaporize him 20 minutes in and make it Clark vs. Zod." But, no, after the commercial break, there's Metallo, no worse for wear, having miraculously made his way underground so he can have a heart-to-heart with Tess. I don't mind the show continuing, but God, can the writers grow some brains?
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Damn, 0.7 is low enough for them to simply go to each viewer's house and perform it as a play. You know what part of the problem might be? MARKETING!!! Who the fuck is over at the CW thinking that their 1 genre show needs no marketing? We've got characters shooting fireballs from their eyes and flying and blowing ice crystals and using kryptonite knives and fucking around with Metallo, and their marketing department is still feeling around their assholes trying to find where they broke off their thumbs. THERE ARE NO OTHER SUPERHERO SHOWS ON TV RIGHT NOW EXCEPT THIS ONE AND NOBODY KNOWS IT!!! Good or bad, Smallville is something TV don't otherwise got right now, but if nobody knows what it is and that it's on, they're certainly going to keep not watching.
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and yet it blocked the kryptonite rays until he opened his shirt. Yes, that is sloppy writing, no question. No apologies, just gotta keep moving on. Do you think Brian Austin Green feels like a douche for having to wear a fake muscle chest playing this character?
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i find smallville better now than it used to be. they kept in smallville for too long. its more interesting now that they are bringing in so many heroes and villains from the dc universe.
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Herc presented the ratings, but did not comment on why they are what they are. If you like the show (I don't), instead of railing at the messenger, how about encouraging other people to watch the show? Better that you are alerted to a potential problem now, then to wait until after it is too late.
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"Upgrade" was kinda eh, and confusing in a few spots. Lois finds Metallo, he needs fuel, so she drives him off and... next we see, he's at a hidden kryptonite cache (in Metropolis?), in a trailer. Lois is nowhere in sight. Clark arrives, Zod fires beams from above, Metallo is apparently killed. A few minutes later, Lois drives up. Where was she? Why'd she abandoned Metallo temporarily? How'd he escape the explosion?
Then they're going to South Dakota? Why? To meet some scientist that her general father knows? And why take a bus, when they drive back and forth by Lois' car from Smallville to Metropolis ten times a week?
And why does Tess have a secret lab in the sewers of Metropolis? Why does it have a huge-ass elevator shaft going even further down, for Lois to fall down? How does she survive a bone-breaking fall, even if Metallo captures her?
Zod and Clark were good together, but Metallo as a nice guy seemed kinda weird, and the plot was a bit of a muddle. Yeah, it doesn't explain low ratings or high (it's the people that tune in next week that reflect how good this episode was or wasn't). But still... -
Smallville is finally getting to the good stuff, in the current and past seasons..and at dragoncon in atlanta..I believe 2 years ago..Michal rosenbawm (forgive me..lex on smallville) said he (when I asked him)..he said he would be back in a season or two..but definatly for the final season...
Im sure alot of you will have comments..I just wanted to share what he said...
Also as some have said..alot of affiliates had to move smallville to another time over this weekend due to ballgames..luckilly I saw that and recorded it from yesterday..and lastly..I really wish if when the new superman movie is made..let tom welling have the role..I mean comon..its the right thing to do..
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you gotta admit Zod cutting himself and having the Kandorians drink his blood was pretty cool.
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I think if I watch this I'll probably have an apoplexy
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But why is he doing it in the Fortress? They establish earlier the Fortress Jor-El construct doesn't like him. Surely it can do more than just refuse to talk to him, as has been demonstrated in previous episodes.
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the past episode was actually pretty good and delt with some superman mythos stuff and characters. I can see one of the throwaway episodes getting shit ratings (like the one a few weeks ago where they went to that love cabin and a painting killed people) but i shows like fridays are what make smallville greati hope CW doesn't reneg on the renewal, this show is great once again and a season 10 should let us see the blue and red suit as well as more characters from the DCU
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Mean something as far as ad dollars. But seeing that the show has been interupted for 2 weeks in a row by baseball, the ratings naturally took a hit. It's a great show, with megaloads of downloads from i-tunes and amazon,dvd sales,dvr/tivo recordings, the show's built in fanbase keeps it going. So Herc,.7 or 700,000 viewers doesn't mean that much when you look at the big picture. Besides, The CW is a joint venture between cbs and Time/Warner. A DC character will survive by default.
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Who writes Superman!
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Apr 18, 2010 7:24:51 PM CDT
The Lois dynamic and Evil Chloe tease works well
by hitgirl_equals_wetdream
People have lives on Friday nights. I DVR'd the last show and haven't watched it yet.
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a snippet of their little theme song playing during SUPERNATURAL's credits.......
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It may be too little, too late, but this show is finally getting better and moving towards incorporating the DCU - if Warner Brothers would make up its fucking mind. If they use Checkmate and Maxwell Lord to bring in a runin with Apokalips and Darkseid as rumored, now we're getting somewhere.
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On the last talk back, i defended herc showing the ratings every week. If its important to network executives, then we should care. But this post has so many things wrong with it, it isn't helpful in the least and it isn't what the networks are seeing. The suits will see that Smallville was preempted in three major markets, and countless minor markets, all important information that herc left out in his original post. I'm not saying you should write a book with each post, but at the very least keep it honest. As for the Angel vs. Smallville ratings: Smallville on the CW, a company that is a shadow of the success of the WB, with neither the quality of programing or the money. Comparing Angel's ratings to Smallville's is completely pointless. They are not on the same network, they did not have the same time slot, they aired in different television landscapes.(ie pre and post writer's strike. network television ratings are down something like 20% since the strike.) When even bring up the ratings of other, older, shows if your not even going to quantify them or even put the rating in any sort of context? I get it, Angel was awesome, it got canceled early and the suit that did it was fired. What else is there to see?
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Don't report on shows that he doesn't watch or hates.
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Got me hooked again after 4 years of not caring. Dropping Lana and focusing on Lois was a good move.
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So I could skip most of the show.. Just get a basic knowledge of what was going on.. I think I watched 15min max.. t'was horrible.. Man.. they need actual writters on this show pronto because it's not "Smallville" anymore, it's just getting worse.
Why didn't they just stay in Smallville, let the damn characters grow without Lois, and the rest of the characters? Show us Clark actually evolving in a small town trying to get his act togheter and train to become the Superman we all know!?!
ThHey could've involved every DC Hero in the book by having them pop up in the media all over the world. Pa and Ma Kent looking on at Clark, making him understand that he needs to be ready when he shows himself.
Lots of people have mentionned in other Superman post that one of the best stories of Supe's becoming the Hero was done a few years ago. I read it.. I still think John Byrne's "Man of Steel" was far better, making Supe's less powerfull than he had became over the years, more "human" and actually was troubled when he finally had to show himself to the world by saving the Luthor Planewith Lois in it. The one image of him sitting in his old room on the farm said it all.
He wasn't that much of a Superhero, than he was a man. I thought that should've been the drive for the Smallville series.
Where he wasmore of a kid growing up, trying to cope with the world, and try to prevent everyone from discovering his secret.
They end Season #9 or 10 with the last two episodes with that part of the story. Where the world finaly see him then he goes back to the farm, gets his costume, and then flies into Metropolis... We pan out, we hear the media going nuts, "We just learned that the mystery man who actually was able to lift the plane back to safety just flew in to Metropolis! Who is this guy!" -- Start the Superman theme, Symbol come flying into us.. And fade out!..
I was hoping better from this series, I would've not even have included Lex other than the name of the rich Mo'fo' who owns plants ect across the state.
I would've really have concentrated on the Clark and Lana characters. Throw away all these Meteor freaks, get some actionby having a couple of other meta-humans in there once in a while to test out and show off Clarks powers, but not go all out like they did. Make Clark and Lana become what the Comics have told us for so long. Without her becoming a freaking ninja!.. I think Seasons 3 and 4 where the start of the end for them. Would like to see them stop the series, and come back with a more Smallville approach to it, like they did when the ratings were actually up.. -
But forgot to mention that baseball was on. So yes, he made the ratings look worse than they actually were even though he already posted this a day before.
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As mentioned earlier, the show was not even broadcast this past Friday in the NY/NJ metro area. It played on Saturday instead, although I'd bet most people were not even aware it was on that day.
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its friday. most of the perople were probably out watching kick ass. it was pre-empted in some areas due to sports. because of that thats why it was 1 rating. if those werent in the way it would be in the 2 ratings
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in some areas it was pre-empted due to sports. and because mostly probably people were out watching that movie that came called kick ass
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Apr 19, 2010 1:00:43 AM CDT
is ok guys with hercule the show will never get cancelled beause
by mario22
we all the reason why the show past seasons got around 4.8mil viewers. it was because it was on a Thursday time slot. that's RIGHT HERCULE BITCH. and now the show is on Fridays. which the night people go out to movies and parties and such. and so on. so quick wasting your time. trying to get this canceled
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and loves to bask in ratings drops, maybe his column could be called "Aint it Cruel News." He would focus only on shows he dislikes and try to discredit all they are about, while ignoring truly shit Tv like Jersey Shore and other total wastes of airtime.
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Zod should not have been made a regular character. That's stupid. The show is at it's best when it's about Lois and Clark. It's also good when it deals with the Justice League. Just dump the Zod adn Candorean storyline and deal with Justice League vs. Checkmate.
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...Friday's episode sucked. Maybe the word got out early. :-)
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Apr 19, 2010 8:35:45 AM CDT
I dunno. If all it took was Herc hating a show, to get a column
by v'shael
then Supernatural might have had columns in the past.I don't think it's just about Herc hating a show. It has to be something else.
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look at gossip girl they get low ratings. i dont see him bashing it
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It's large portion of the entire New England seaboard.
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Why mess with something when it's working well. Smallville was much better off when it was on early in the week.
Switch it up... and put Clark in the air already...
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Apr 19, 2010 11:43:46 AM CDT
All that hatred for My Name is Earl had to go somewhere...
by redbeard1701
My guess is Gregory Thomas Garcia has *something* to do with this show.
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...and cloak and dagger. That's always been the problem with Smallville, and the last couple of seasons have only amplified the problem.
The atmosphere, and overall template of a smallville episode seems to be made with a different aesthetic in mind than what Superman represents. It's better suited to Batman, or any number of dark heroes, than the "sun hero" Superman is supposed to be. Smallville is supposed to be Clarks journey towards his transformation into the hero we know as Superman, but really, given all the morose attitudes, storylines, motivations and choices being made throughout the years, how can anyone envision Clark turning into the guiding light he'e suppossed to become. Jeeze louise, he's running around dressed as Neo!
plus, people are just plain tired of waiting for Clark to fly and become Superman. When you have Zod gaining powers and taking flight immediately, whatever pyschological mumbo jumbo you come up with as to why Clark isn't flying just comes off as lame.
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Apr 19, 2010 1:59:40 PM CDT
If it weren't for these reminders of how bad it's doing...
by _maltheus_
...I would forget to even download it. Of course, if my local CW affiliate would just freakin' broadcast in HD (or even something close to SD), I'd have it programmed into my DVR already.
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is the single worst, lamest cop out and annoying plot device in the series. The show improved overall when the original guys left, but for whatever reason they still cling to the artificial limits of "no flights". ORIGINALLY the idea was to avoid the campy stigma of Lois & Clark for a new audience. Then it became a liable point for superboy rights. Now WTF is the reason?
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Smallville has never been a great show or classic television but it used to be decent and often compelling. I believe that there are five things that have contributed to its downfall:
5) DC Comics quest stars. It used to be a cool thing once a season. Now it is every week and takes away from character development of the main characters. It's gimmicky and boring and who cares about Wonder Twins anyway?
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4) Offscreen action - Smallville has a history of having the big action offscreen, like Lex's big cloning plot in season six. This season it's even worse. Offscreen, Chloe reassembles the Justice League, Lois has publications and great assignments, and Zod does all his evil plots. Onscreen is boring romance plots instead of the action.
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3) Contrived love pairings - Some of them like Tess/Zod make no sense at all since he's threatened to kill her. Some, like Chloe/Oliver take place basically offscreen. Martha/Perry now? Oh please.
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2) Fatigue from Doomsday (8.22) - That episode where Clark is NOT killed by Doomsday and Jimmy Olsen was killed and revealed to be HENRY Olsen, real Jimmy's older brother was insulting and boring. After that, I think about 40% of the fanbase left and never came back.
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1) Clark Kent - he's either not onscreen cause the show became about Oliver and Lois and, when he is, he's dressed like Neo from The Matrix, setting buildings on fire, beating up women, and being a thug. He's unlikable to the max and Welling's increasingly more wooden performance does not help matters.
I think that fans can blame the move all the want or that Fridays are bad or that it's spring. Yes spring and Fridays are part of it. But a 67.5% drop from 4.8 million in past seasosn to about a 1.56 for the last episode "Upgrade" is not all because of the network moving it. The producers screwed the pooch here. They treated fans like idiots with Doomsday and then they brought out a terrible "suit" and continue to stretch out nonsensical plots that are boring to watch. Add in renewal which tells us all the last eps are nothing but filler and stall, and the mass exodus was complete.
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That this show is on Fridays seems to be a handy excuse these days, along with a lack of advertising. From what I've read online, people simply don't like what Clark and what he has become this season. He's abandoned Chloe, Ollie and the JLA and regressed so badly, how can you watch and support someone like this? That's my problem with him and many others too. Everything that made the show successful a Super-Clark we can empathise with, and want to succeed, along with his relationship with Chloe, and later on Ollie and the JLA was abandoned in S9. Why would people stick around to see a show that basically says they wasted 8 years watching canon that got thrown out in s9?
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