April 15, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST
by Napolean Solo
I couldn't resist! sorry!
April 15, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST
by Napolean Solo
Make sure you actually post something first, then type "First" in your SECOND post!
April 15, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST
There is something about a girl talking dirty that i like a lot, and when she is that young its even better. Remember all you parents out there, the G in PG stands for Guidance.
April 15, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST
get in on this:)
April 15, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
that was bloody brilliant
April 15, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
WTF is up with these spoiler reviews for this flick?
April 15, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
Up until that point, Hit Girl is Kick Ass' idea of what a superhero should be. Just another level away from mere mortals. But when Frank gets his hands on her it brings the reality to the fore that it's a little girl, in an incredibly dangerous situation. For me that's the film all over, you can fantasise and dream "what if", but if you try to indulge reality will always clip your wings at some point.
April 15, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106296119406621&ref=ts Thank You!!x
April 15, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
by Spandau Belly
Saying this is a satire of everything makes no sense. Just say it's an absurdist shock value adult cartoon and I'm fine with that. There's nothing wrong with liking that. You get into this nonsense of "it's a satire of a satire of what we want and don't want at the same time as actually being what it is satirizing" and I just don't buy it. Just admit this is more random garbage like Family Guy and that's fine.
April 15, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
Or maybe it's just the readers of this site. This was released as a 15 in the UK, that primarily being because it's a comic book movie spoof of Spiderman (with a little Superbad thrown in for good measure). Even the douchenozzles at the BBFC get that. So why get your panties in such a twist all of a sudden? Kids swearing in movies is no new thing. Ever seen The Bad News Bears? They even drunk beer! I think the pulpit of the internet has just made everyone completely lose perspective because they're so used to reading each other's extreme opinions.
April 15, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST
I wish I'd come to AICN 5 minutes later today. Thanks for ruining the movie for me, dick.
April 15, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST
"Let me get this right. I don't laugh as an 11-year-old girl gets the shit beaten out of her, so that makes me out of touch."
April 15, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST
A guy is getting a blow job from a penguin. That's the universe I want to live in!
April 15, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST
fantasy these days, part of the reason I didnt like The Dark Knight were the real world trappings that completely disassociated me from it being a comic book movie. <P> Look at Kick Ass, its violent, gritty, adult, but it never forgets what a comic book movie is supposed to be: FUN!
April 15, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST
Why: Because he can get into a movie, while still understanding where it is grounded in. <P> True film review. <P> Ebert has been out of touch for years.
April 15, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST
for writing an intelligible analysis of the film that will probably get a third the hits of Harry's. And by screw you I of course mean thank you. Well stated. I still have zero interest, but thanks for providing a counterpoint.
April 15, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST
I know there's a spoiler tag surrounding this review, but damnit, usually if the reviewer is going to write about the very end of the movie, he'll let us know right beforehand! Arrrrggghhh....
April 15, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST
but what about this post credits scene in Ironman2 about Cap,and Thor!!!!! get on this!!!!
April 15, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST
The movie and comic is satirizing out love of violence? I... really doubt that. Haven't seen the movie yet, but... this sounds like reaching to me, reaching bc everyone realizes there really isn't anything being said in the movie.
April 15, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST
D.Vader makes a good point.
April 15, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
So the site is now www.aintkickasscool.com ?
April 15, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST
Wouldn't that be the first time on screen appearance for Cap and Thor?<br /><br />That's fucking unlikely as all hell, isn't it? Cap was just cast mere days ago or something, and Thor? No one watching Iron Man would have a fucking clue who he is.
April 15, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST
That's just how we are wired as society. Yeah, when it's done as comedy we don't get too crazy about it, but that's how a lot of us were raised.
April 15, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST
Then how the fuck do you explain this CONTRADICTION of his:<br /><P>First he says:<br />"It reminds you that what you want ISN'NT REALISM. You want the FANTASY. You just want the fantasy to be grim." <br /><p>and then he says:<br />"What is KICK-ASS satirizing? The audience and their desire for reality."<br /><p>great reviewer my ass.<br /><br /><br />
April 15, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST
What is the logical progression from being offended by this movie?
April 15, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST
It has the same "fuck you" attitude that runs throughout the film. I have seen this move twice now and it is great.
April 15, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST
It's really that simple.
April 15, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST
I think there's a good deal of it coming from misinterpretation on the audience's (or majority of the audience) part, less capable storytelling or both. Then, you have the sort, like Frank Miller's "All Star Batman" or the anime "Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-Chan", which revel so much in what they're satirizing- having it both ways as both satire and exploitation.
April 15, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
I had no idea Hit Girl got wailed on like that - that's where I stopped reading this story. I now know more than I wanted to about this movie and you just ruined what could have been a very shocking moment in my experience watching it. Even if the story has the spoiler box around it on the front page, you STILL warn people in your story when you get into spoiler territory. Come on!
April 15, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST
And where exactly is that freakin' edit button, guys?
April 15, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST
Rottentomatoes has like 100 reviews for this film which opens TOMORROW! How can you possibly be under a nondisclosure agreement at this point?
April 15, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST
I'll skip your articles from now on.
April 15, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST
is not in the scene that Massa describes and the reaction of the film critics.The real satire is that this film as a whole,it is welcomed and praised by the audience for providing to them something that in other circumstances would have been condemned by them: The ultra violence,the killing,the cussing all that delivered by 10 years old kids.<br /><p>But even then this satire is missed for one reason: the movie does not explore the violence and how it affects the characters. the world of the film might be realistic but hit-girl is not realistic: she behaves like a real superhero thus making it difficult to us the audience to view this flick as something more than just entertaining escapism.and when the scene where she gets tortured comes,the movie fails to ground us to a level of realism in order to make us think what we really were watching and applauding throughout the movie until that scene,because the scene of torture has a happy,all superhero comic defined,ending: the superhero comes in and saves the day by blasting the baddie into smithereens. <br /><p>And i ask you this: in this scene, was the majority of the audience stopped applauding and starting thinking the true meaning of the scene? were they starting to get bothered with themselves for applauding a movie which had girl killing and cussing,but now had the girl being tortured?<br /><p>i strongly believe that the answer is a big NO.i have read all the talkbacks and all the people say how cool the action is,and how hot hit-girl is,and how funny is for a 10yo to cuss,etc,etc.They bring up the subject of the movie being a satire,but they only use it as an argument when they are afraid to be labeled as perverts for liking this kind of violence with kids in a movie.they dont have a clue what the satire is about and how the satire works in the movie.they just repeat what they read from others.<br /><p>thats why i think that the movie is a failure as content goes.even if it is a satire (which i strongly doubt it) about violence and our affection for it,it fails miserably to communicate that satire to us,to the audience.If it was satire,the hit-girl and kick-ass should die in that scene of torture and the movie should have ended there leaving the audience bedazzled to what they have just experiencing.but instead they are already preparing for the sequel.yeah satire my ass....
April 15, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST
a spoiler alert WOULD have been nice. THANKS DICK
April 15, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST
I've ended up with a free ticket to this tonight, so I will see for myself, but I still am on the fence about whether this will actually be good or just more fanboy onanism. Ebert's panning and this "satire of a satire of fantasy that's reality" review isn't really helping to win me over.
April 15, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST
Good points, but comics began getting a lot more complex in the second half of the 60s, well before the 80s. Marvel dove right in to tackling civil rights, discrimination, civil disobedience, heroes with failings, the very concept of "superhero" being out of place in the modern world, and the sometimes ruinous effects of superhero-ing. Heck, they were doing some of that in the early 60s.<p>And it really took hold in the 70s, with lots of gritter, more urban characters and settings. Two of the examples you mention--the Punisher and Wolverine--debuted in 1974.<p>So while I think you have the right overall arc in the progression of the antihero, you do a disservice to the against-the-grain, brave writing and creating that was going on in the 15+ years before the 80s.
April 15, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
by Arcadian Del Sol
"Guys, we have to fulfill our contract for Kick Ass. Lets get some more coverage up."<p> "But all of us already posted reviews. Heck, I think Herc has about twenty-four Kick Ass related posts by now."<p> "Get something posted asap."
April 15, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST
The movie looks terrible. I hope people stop embracing crap like this.
April 15, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST
Why has this taken so long to come our in the US? I saw this weeks ago in the UK.
April 15, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST
And I guess that was part of his stipulation when selling the film, that the UK gets the release first.
April 15, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST
Somewhere, Mark Millar is laughing his ass off at the people trying to psychoanalyze his comic-turned-movie, considering Millar is notorious amongst comic fans for having the intellectual depth of an ant. He is a big helping of Bay-style wide screen action scenes, combined with a big dollop of contempt for the medium itself and its fans. All 3 of his major creator-owned projects have ended in a giant "FUCK YOU!!" to the very fans who bought them (lets just say Kick-Ass the comic ends a bit differently then Kick-Ass the movie), Millar is still the only writer to ever have a book end with the main character breaking the 4th wall and laughing at the consumer for even buying his book, all while sodomizing the buyer (literally). The idea that he had some kind of grand satirical comment on society in mind when writing the comic is a joke, at best its a mocking middle finger commentary on the ability of comics fans to see themselves as any particular character in the book. Please dont give credit where it ISNT due.
April 15, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST
to ever have a little girl get her ass beat down? valuable pioneering right there. are the words "kiddie violence/torture porn is alright" bizarre sounding? because this movie would have to be about something other than kiddie violence/torture porn if they are in order to redeem everyone involved in making it. so, that's why i don't disregard massa's view on this; if regular kiddie porn is despicable (rightfully so), then why isn't kiddie violence/torture porn? and why is kiddie violence/torture porn less taboo than regular adult porn? what i'm trying to get at in a very circuitous way is that i want to see some real butt naked, cock in pussy scenes, in a mainstream theater as part of any ol' movie playing right next to saw, hostel, iron man... and toy story. hmm, all suspiciously pornographic sounding.
April 15, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST
not with them in it....I don`t know. its not a rumor....
April 15, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
Why the fuck are there not one but TWO weak, incoherent articles defending this film on here? <p> Oh that's right, you're a bunch of sellouts. I'm getting fucking fed up of this site.
April 15, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST
people would have a better reaction to it? It's unfortunate that she had to feel the thump of a fist before the sting of a prick but if she was older, it makes it somehow more justifiable? <p> I can't wait to see this movie. I have a part of a 11 year old girl inside of me in pain & she wants to kick a little ass.
April 15, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST
by I Hope You Die
I'm so glad that my demographic is finally being reached.
April 15, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST
Here is the best review of Quentin Tarantino's new movie Kick-Ass http://tinyurl.com/y5kjtkp
April 15, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST
Son of a bitch, why didn't I notice the red border, what the fuuuuuck. Well cool, now that scene is fucking blown for me. Ain't that cool. It seemed like you were making some great points, Massa, but I stopped reading this at the word "bazooka" and will have to wait until after seeing the movie to read this. By then I'll probably forget about this though, so... damn. What a waste of good internet journalism. You should have posted this on April 16th. But yeah, from what I can tell this piece is way better than Harry's rebuttal to Ebert that ultimately made me side with Ebert for being mature. I'm still on the fence in a big way on this movie. I'm definitely going to see it, and I hope it's fantastic, but I didn't like the comics and Hit Girl honestly does make me a little uncomfortable, but I suppose I haven't really seen her in context. Anyways, I think this is a good debate to be had, and I appreciate what I read of Massa's opinion, I just wish I could've read more of it and that it didn't have to take all the tension out of a scene for me. Fuck spoilers, get your shit together, AICN.
April 15, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST
I'm all for summarizing, but don't tell me who saves who and how and why in what scene. That's fucked up massa. You wrote a great review, but you couldve taken out some of those hardcore spoilers without comprimising the review. I can't believe you wrote some of that stuff. Thanks a fucking lot.
April 15, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST
Don't expect them to be able to pull their heads out of their asses ad actually analyze their feelings or understand why they are offended and why that makes the satire brilliant. People are fucking idiots. Don't expect anything more than hopelessness from them.
April 15, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST
Your summation is spot on genius. I couldn't have done it better myself. The scene with D'Amico and Hit Girl takes me all the way back to when I saw True Romance for the first time, and watched as Tony Soprano beat the living shit outta Patricia Arquette in that Safari Motel room. Brutal, yet captured just the right cinematic zeitgeist of the times. "Wanna see what real violence looks like? Here it is." Great article, Massa.
April 15, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST
I used to agree with him more often than not, but he is quickly getting on my nerves with his inablity to stop talking politics (which he hasn't even got a passing grasp on), and just review movies.
April 15, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST
Except the marketing for it is purely mainstream aimed at the heart of the multiplex crowd (kids and all), and attempting to capitalize on the cartoonishly violent aspects of superhero movies (that it is supposed to criticize/satirize/whatevererize) to rake in unsuspecting crowds - only to level hyper-real violence at them once they're in the seats. <P> I don't doubt there is some artistic merit to Kick-Ass as a story, but it really should be limited to the comic book stores. This movie is irresponsible no matter how you slice it.
April 15, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
As I said in Harry's talkback, the main problem I see with the film is the disconnect between it's ostensible 'realism' on one hand and it's overt undermining of that on the other. <P> It does this on at least two levels: <P> 1) With regard to physics, real-world consequences, etc and <P> 2) on an emotional level <P> Kick-Ass OVERTLY demonstrates to us a world in which superheroes don't - can't - exist. And then shows us that not only do they exist, but they can be eleven year old girls. <P> But the second dichotomy is more damning. Like Ebert, I found it difficult to emotionally navigate a film that in one scene wants me to acknowledge (through humour) that the relationship between a father and daughter is inherently nutjobby - a relationship that amounts to child abuse - then in another scene wants me to sincerely feel for both characters (together and seperately), and then in yet another scene wants me to hoot and holler and celebrate the symptoms and consequences of their pathologies... <P> it's just not consistent. It's NOT (just that) it's difficult to find funny the disturbing relationship that Big Daddy and Hit-Girl have, it's that they want us to find it weird, endearing, emotional, awesome, sentimental, and whatever else all at once (or, at least, alternately) - and some people feel that the film didn't sell that properly. <P> Look at how it gives us a relatible/likeable potential protagonist in the cop who partly raised Hit-Girl; there's a scene where he elucidates that he has been tracking the two down for a long time, that he misses the little girl, cares for her etc...and it's a cool scene between his character and Cage's, except for the fact that this guy finally tracks them down, then LEAVES Hit-Girl to her fate?! Sure he picks her up at the end, but what kind of dad is he GONNA BE, if he was willing to turn his back on her, when he knew what she was being put through? That kind of thing really just makes it difficult to suspend disbelief. If you're going to paint characters as real people, with real emotions, and even motivations, you can't then just ignore all of that every time you feel like it. <P> Massa has suggested that at least one of these switches in tone is a sort of switcheroo on the audience; just when you were having awesome fun, BAM here's the reality bitches. Except as people above pointed out...the reality is not FULFILLED. It's Half-Assed (sorry) <P> The fact that Hit-Girl is suddenly in trouble at the climax of the movie is ABSOLUTELY nothing new; any film of this type would and does put the protagonist(s) in seemingly real danger at this point. If as somebody suggested they killed her off at this point, it would've been TRULY shocking, and given it all some weight. But they went straight back to (even more cartoony) violence. Or at the end, when it is implied she is going to kick those bullies' asses - showing her go batshit-crazy on them and hurt them badly or kill them would've been more real and true. Or having her walk away from them without a fight, showing that she's learnt something...I dunno, it just doesn't work. You CAN'T end the film with a) that cartoony violence (the bazooka etc) and then a throwaway laugh like that and pretend that it's a satire of our desire to consume violent media. That doesn't REMIND you that you 'just want the fantasy', that just GIVES you what you want for the hell of it. <P> jesus christ sorry, this is like an essay or some shit. oh n ps, i didnt hate the movie, but yeah. hah
April 15, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST
pps the other reason hit-girl is in trouble in the end is so that Kick-Ass can save her, which as a) necessarily because otherwise he's no longer the primary protagonist, which he barely is anyway, and b) I suppose it's just necessary to have the guy save the girl...though that might be satirical, I can never be sure these days ;)
April 15, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST
For anyone that complains about Kick-Ass and the violence it shows involving HitGirl, i just want to say...Fuck You, its just a movie and a very good one at that...Its fiction not reality...
April 15, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST
I doubt it is other little girls. <p> No, it is so called adults who say 'there is nothing wrong with making a movie about a little grils doing and saying these kinds of things' <p> And maybe they are right, but I also have the right to say I have no intention of letting my child see this movie, and that the early sexualizing of children has become so ingrained, that some people - who are not paedo's btw, simply can rationalize it away.
April 15, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST
How can this movie be about super heroes in the real world, but then still bend the laws of physics because its a "comic book movie". Isn't there a conflict there? Shouldn't it commit to the reality of the situation if it's going to be a satire and a deconstruction?
April 15, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST
Watch the movie or don't. They are all meant to entertain. If it doesn't float your boat, move to the next one. The fact that she's 11 or there's inconsistencies between the correlation of "real world" and "superhero world" in the movie doesn't change the fact that I'm poor, fat and constipated.
April 15, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST
What makes you think that the writers/producers have anything to do with the way the movie is marketed? By the time it comes to that, the movie is bought, sold & out of their hands, isn't it? Not really disagreeing with you about how it's being marketed but it's not the contents of the movie's fault.
April 15, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST
You sir, are a great writer. Kudos to you.
April 15, 2010, 3 p.m. CST
by barnaby jones
is out of their tiny mind.
April 15, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST
a 12-year old girl is beaten and shot, and no one saves her. And that movie garnered three Oscars and endless accolades. Film-goer's memories are short, even at AICN.
April 15, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST
by barnaby jones
April 15, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST
...where the little girl takes out a whole regiment of soldiers with brutal wire-fu. If that was in there, then you might have a point.
April 15, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST
Mass you could not have put that up there God Your one of my favorite re viewer but Damn I have the almost uncontrolable urge to beat your ass over that shit.
April 15, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST
trigger on a handgun. Now that's unrealistic.
April 15, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST
I'm right there with you for the most part, Massa. The thing that puzzles me is, how the hell do people get as far into the movie as the Hit Girl/D'Amico scene without yet realizing what movie they're watching?<br> <br> KICK-ASS is a steadily escalating war between "fantasy" and "reality." It uses that axis of contrast in the same way most movies would use "good" and "evil." Hit Girl is the heart of the movie, and also the representative of the forces of fantasy. She has been raised steeped in it. The D'Amico scene is anything but gratuitous: it is reality's final assault. We cheered for Hit Girl as she mowed down dozens of bad guys in full-on superhero fantasy fashion, but then she slips up and what the hell did we think was going to happen? Reality's going to back off because the hero slaughtering them is an eleven year old girl? Suddenly we take reality very personally, and that's the point.<br> <br> This is a movie that makes the audience pick a side in that war. It's about as neutral as an Ayn Rand novel in suggesting which side to take, mind you, not to mention as subtle. Reality's assaults on the heroes are an assault on us, culminating in the scene in question. When the movie finally gives us our fantasy back, it's over-the-top crap like we've seen a million times, but we are relieved. We cheer again. Reality, as it turns out, was really asking for it, and we're glad fantasy is there to bring it.<br> <br> Admittedly I thought the weaving of those elements was a little rough, even jarring, in places, and I am curious whether some final editing has sorted that out, but I can't wait to see the final cut.
April 15, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST
It's just a fuckin' movie guys! Stop over analyzing the danm thing and just enjoy it for what it is. Christ, you geeks crack me up!<br><br> BTW - Good for them (LionsGate) for not putting it in 3-D!
April 15, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST
by Lone Fox
Chloe Moretz hammered your point home, Massa. The double standards reviewers have used to criticise this film are laughable.
April 15, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST
it's been there since the article went up. or atleast like 5 minutes afterward. are those of you complaining because you're unable to see or read in the color red? if you don't want something fucking spoiled, then don't click on the spoiler articles. then again, this talkback section is full of people who just want to bitch to read their own words. just like me. fuck you retards. and fuck me too.
April 15, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
after A SERBIAN FILM
April 15, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST
There are parallels sure and they tread the same ground but I can't think about how they are alike without thinking on how they are not.
April 15, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST
I don't know, it's like you spoiled it so casually. I guess that you can be be like that when you see movies ahead of everyone else. You've seen it twice asshole, now I don't want to even see it once.
April 15, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST
I think people are upset bc even though the story does have a spoiler tag, that doesn't mean the ending is always discussed in detail. I think some pple expected Massa to at least start his paragraph off with "Now I'm going to talk about the very end of the film, so there will be MAJOR spoilers here..."
April 15, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST
So Massa didn't really spoil it -- just the one scene, and only minorly. There's still lots of cool shit that goes down at the end.
April 15, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
is it the same as in the comic? That was my favorite part of the book.
April 15, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST
in a meteor shaped like a giant cock.
April 15, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST
That review, or whatever it was, sounds like Massawyrm making a shitload of excuses as to why when you see this movie, you'll think it sucks... but he's here to tell you, it doesn't... because... I dunno something about Universes. Oh and some kid says "cunt" wow, how cool... and McLovin and NIck Cage wearing some outfits that look right out of the Mystery Men wardrobe. What the fuck ever. I'm a comic book/movie fan... but there's a 0.1% chance I'll be seeing this seemingly retarded, bullshit movie.
April 15, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST
most smart mouth, bitch ass kids needs their asses whipped one good time in the real or fantasy world.
April 15, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST
...gettin preeeetty deep. More power to you, Massa, if you enjoyed the flick. But please dude, sell the rest of that bul!sh*t to the tourists. My own 2 cents is that thinking of the hit girl character as contrivercial is giving it waaaay to much credit. No disrespect or reflection on young miss Moretz, but it seems to me the character is as much an unabashed blatantly transparent contrived gimmick in the movie as it was in the comic. Oooh look, a c-bomb droppin 10 yr old super assassin, Aint we edgy?!! And oh look, its a girl!! Uhhm, Empowering, right??
April 15, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST
"There’s certainly a lot of people who’ve said Hit Girl really steal the movie. I think it’s an unusual character. It really captures peoples imaginations. And in that sense she’s a very, very strong female character. In many ways, I find her a very empowering female character to watch because she’s not sexualized. I think often a man’s idea of what a strong female character in a movie is, is not the same as what I would’ve done with a strong female character in a movie. Often, when you have all that girls and guns nonsense it’s such a sexualized thing and it doesn’t really help any woman’s benefit. And I think that is what fascinated me about Hit Girl being so young. You’ve removed all of that sexualized stuff and what you’ve just got is a genuinely scary little anti-hero. She’s a real little female Han Solo, in a way that you couldn’t do if she was 18." <p> "First and most important thing, I think that this movie was never intended to be a movie for kids and quite correctly it has an “R” rating. That was absolutely our intention to make a movie for older viewers and if someone under 17 wants to see it, then I think that’s a decision of their parents and it’s the parents job to decide if that’s the right thing. To me, I find it astonishing that people find it threatening. I’m so used to seeing women and children as the victims of violence, I find it really depressing that when they’re the perpetrators of it, that’s when people get up in arms. It really feels wrong. We’ve seen children abused, murdered and abducted in films but no one seems to bat an eyelid. I do think that’s an indictment of our society, sadly. It washes over us when women and children are victims and it appears to be people only wake up when women are actually committing violent acts. The movie is intended as entertainment it’s not supposed to be a comment on society. But for people to express any moral outrage seems to me to be a little misdirected." <p> "I don’t know. I think on paper this can sound really threatening but I have yet to have a conversation with someone who has seen the movie and felt really uncomfortable with what we portrayed on the screen. I think the humorous tone of the movie does a great deal to leaven the violence and I think that’s what is missing when people are merely describing it to each other and finding the idea potentially disturbing or threatening. I think when people see it and see the humorous tone, it really does smooth things out. They realize it’s entertainment and it doesn’t leave a nasty taste. I certainly don’t think violence is the answer to combating bullying." <p> "But I think the fact is, she’s not portrayed as the average child. I think it’s very clear she is not meant to represent every girl. [...] I don’t think that there’s any suggestion that we’re saying that this how we think society should be. If any one came out of the film feeling that they wanted to try and fight crime and or try to become involved in violence. I would say that they hadn’t understood the film. To me, the consequences in the film… if anything, I would think it would put them off. I think generally the tone of the film leavens something that could seem threatening on paper." <p> "It would certainly be naive to think that no one will have an issue. But I think that’s really a wider issue. The great thing about this country is that you have the First Amendment. People can say this is not for my taste but nobody has the right to stop the film from being made and to stop other people from seeing it. We’re talking about censorship issues there and I don’t think there’s no reasonable argument for even raising that. Is someone knows it not going to be their cup of tea, they really don’t have to see it." <p> http://tinyurl.com/y5ct6fb
April 15, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST
Human beings are programmed to be protective of children, especially girl children. I haven't seen KA yet (can't wait. Damn you for the lack of spoiler warning! Major mis-step there) but I have no problem understanding how a viewer could be horrified by having a girl-child beaten. That is a normal, natural human reaction, and if the filmmakers are playing with our heads, they KNOW that is the normal reaction, and are counting on it for the effect of the scene. Let's not be naive.
April 15, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST
Do think its possible to a empowering Female action heroin(sp). without the sexual objectification? Hitgirl is able to duct it byt being extremely underage, but is there any other way to get the empowering role without the sex appeal?
April 15, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST
Thanks to everyone at AICN for spreading the words. Kick-Ass kicked so many boners into my ass. You kicked them into my heart http://j.mp/9GnhPJ
April 15, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST
....check out that costume. Stripper wig(check) tight leather(check) ever-fetishized school girl plaid skirt(big-ol check). Nope, none of that typical stuff in there at all. Eeeexcept for the typical straw-man arguments against criticsms. Who says anybodys threatened? I for one am just unimpressed.
April 15, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST
Apparently, you can't de-sexualize any female heroine at all no matter the age as Rogue4 sees a Halloween wig as stripper hair & an ever-fetishized school girl plaid skirt, which should become just a regular skirt when a school age girl wears it.
April 15, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST
The aestetic familiarity between this and imagery rife in our culture to the point of being cliche' is completely of my own pervy little mind's invention. Yeah, that little turnaround is pretty typical too.
April 15, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST
I completely guilty I think most males found the Natalie Portman charcter disturbingly sexy in "the Professional" and my fascination with Christina Ricci dates back to Addam's Family Values and Casper. But thats just the result of my sick mind but do you believe that a heroine can be empowering without normal sexualization. Could Gabby, or Mo'nique be considered for a equally empowering role without a comedy factor or playing a villian. My inner feminist is showing and really wants to see more strong women in these type of roles. I had A discussion with my girlfriend who hates Anjelina for pure Jealousy related reasons but there is hardly any other woman out there that makes bankable Action movies consistantly. You have Kate Beckensale Then Rhona Mitra a.k.a Kate Beckensale jr. But they all fall in to that sexual objectifying relm that most women, or females over the age of 9 cant escape.
April 15, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
topic for debate. My agenda is completely different than yours and frankly, what she's wearing is not even part of it. I'm guessing you didn't really follow the link to the story?
April 15, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST
I took all the child-violence in good fun, it didn't really go past surface level for me. But the themes of self sacrifice actually resonated quite deeply, Kick-Ass refusing to leave the guy being attacked by 3 guys, Hit-Girl fighting like a fucking amazon to get to Big Daddy etc. I found these scenes compelling and they're the ones that left the theater with me more so than the ones played for laughs and shock factor, could be just me but I hope others feel the same.
April 15, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST
Haven't seen KA, but there should be no doubt that you can *always* ratchet up affect and taboo-busting by putting kids in jeopardy/adult situations. Spielberg copped quite a lot of crap for 'killing the Kintner kid' in Jaws (despite that scene being in the book). Using a kid's gruesome death (albeit not quite seen) for a sensational plot point was new/taboo-busting for movies at the time. Hit-girl obviously flouts one or two of the few remaining movie taboos, and maybe the new possibilities it represents will be as taken in stride in just a few years time just as 'killing the Kintner kid' was in the '70s.
April 15, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST
Make a movie like Taken with Kathy Bates and I think you could disprove that. That said, I'd fucking love to see that movie made.
April 15, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST
April 15, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST
If I dialed the snark up a bit, it was because the quote you posted trotting out the ever predictable empowerment angle(which I had just alluded to in my previous post)in defense of yet another shallow gimmick of a character (imho)was just a little to hard to resist. There are plenty of screen heroines more deserving of the label. Check out Glenn Close's,Catherine Dent's, or CCH Pounder's runs on "The Shield." Or Cate Blanchett in "The Missing" or Connie Nielsen in "The Hunted". I think those characters would answer that question you and Phategod are bouncing back and forth real quick. And in any case I can totally see why hollywood types hyping and selling thier latest product would run this familiar angle. I just don't see why anyone exposed to modern society and culture for more than 5 minutes would buy that pitch. Call me cynical.
April 15, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST
they've been just throwing shit out from movies now, no spoiler alerts no nothing..they literally DO - NOT - GIVE - A - SHIT if you want to see a movie or not.
April 15, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST
Thanks for the spoiler ASSSHOOOOLEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 15, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
Because only shitheads on this shithead site would kill my level of excitement for seeing this movie by POSTING ON THE FUCKING CLIMAX WITHOUT A SPOILER.
April 15, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST
that I didn't see the size 4 font script that says "spoiler" vertically...oh like about 20 other posters so far. REVAMP THAT SHIT AND TYPE "SPOILER" IN THE MAIN TEXT. ENOUGH WITH THE "WHERE's WALDO'S SPOILER" BS.
April 15, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST
Plz. Seriously, I am really pissed now that I know that about hitgirl. No, I MEAN REALLY PISSED.
April 15, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST
a satire. It's what the Watchmen film wanted to be, a thoughtful examination of superheroes. It failed miserably, but Kick Ass showed how you do it and keeps it fun too. Don't the serious undercurrent to this film!! To me, it was the scene with Big Daddy in the warehouse which best sums it up for me. Most of the other fight scenes are almost comedic in a way, but that one really is the core of the film, it shows you how fucking insane Big Daddy is, as anyone must be to be a vigilante. It's gonna take a few more viewings, but I'm already starting to think of this film as a modern day Taxi Driver told through the language of comic book heroes. A work of complete GENIUS.
April 15, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST
I'm cool with snark, so snark away, my friend. And I like all the women you mentioned especially CCH in the Sheild. One of my favorite roles was Melissa Leo's Kay Howard in Homicide. But I'm not painting as broadly as a female protagonist but trying to focus more on Super Heroines - or to get even more specific, a female hero adapted by a female writer in a largely male dominated genre. I linked that story in hopes that it might add a different voice to the debate over the furious chest thumping of how damaging this film is to the moral fibre of society and little girls everywhere or some such rot. I'm not trying to take away anyone's opinions, I'm just trying to add some different ones. I obviously don't believe that something can't be a gimmick and be empowering as well. In wrestling, a gimmick is just character shorthand. Super Hero gimmicks aren't that much different.
April 15, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST
Your obviously familiar enough with the genre and its conventions and Hollywood conventions and the typical publicity movie hype rhetoric. And its that familiarity that gives me the impression that Miss Goldman isn't bringin that "different" a voice to the table. I see in her adapted character the same cliches, the same shallow shock value tactics that couldve come from any of her male counterparts. I see in her interview the same preemptive presumptive straw-man toss ups to rebuff any and all criticsms and the same none to subtle characterizations of any and all of those potential critics (uptight/prudish/right-wing/religious nuts-take your pick). For my own part, I'm not comin from some Hit Girl/ Kick-Ass will be the downfall of western civillization vibe, cause again I don't flatter it as so much as rising to the level of controvercy (tho I think the film-makers soooo want it to). I'm comin from a seen this whole schtick played out to many times to pretend its something so earthshatteringly edgy and provocative vibe.
April 15, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
There's ALWAYS that taboo that children under a certain age cannot come to harm in an action or horror movie, and the few action/horror movies that DO allow a child under the age of, say, 13, to be seriously hurt of killed are always attacked as being sensationalistic (remember the little girl getting blown up by the bomb in The Untouchables? And let's not even talk about the polarizing ending of The Mist...). But the thing is...why? Why is is okay to see a thirty-year-old man butchered and riddled with bullets and beaten to a bloody pulp, but a kid is exempt? It's a FUCKING MOVIE, and the kid isn't getting actually hurt. Just like people who get super-upset when an animal dies in a movie, like people literally saying that Alison Lohman deserved to get dragged to hell just because she sacrificed her cat (which even happened off-screen...!). WTF? I certainly don't endorse real-life violence aimed at kids and cats, but I also don't endorse real-life violence against adults, either.
April 15, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST
the forces of fantasy and reality colliding and fooking with your heAD. they should of had her die at the end though. That would have been a good warning to thugbangers,. dont bang on a thug. fool
April 15, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST
I'm not paying dough to see a child get the shit beat out of her ...thanks for the spoiler. I'm not spending my money on ultra child porn violence, The fact that it's being considered a satire is a crock of fan-boy copout bullshit. Somebody needs to accept responsibility for a lot of this shit that's being filtered into society. If it's not the movie companies then it will be my dollar sitting idle until something a lil bit more mature comes along. Robocop being considered satire is one thing, this whole deal with a child being beaten by adults is another "let's see what we can do to get attention and sell tickets", I can personally do without.
April 16, 2010, midnight CST
All I know is that it's going to be a little weird to see all this cursing, violence, killing, et. al coming from the same girl on My Friends Tigger and Pooh. My kids still watch that show. Darby is going to look very different to me now...
April 16, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST
into the talkback, not the movie. I don't how Goldman's writing voice is different because she is adapting a previous piece work that already had pre-established characters. I included her viewpoint here because of her understanding of the Hit Girl character - I felt her opinion would carry more of a connection & she was speaking directly about things that have come up during the talkback. <p> PS: I really could care less if you or others think the movie is cliched & shallow. Maybe it is. My motive was to get her opinion read and maybe taken a bit seriously in a talkback that was going completely off the rails. <p> [I also just realized I'm completely evil! I have secret motives & agendas! Now all need is a good villian name & a halloween wig...]
April 16, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST
by Droogie Alex
the movie has only been out 4 hrs! You guys can't seem to help yourselves, but WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!!
April 16, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST
THERE'S A GOD DAMN SPOILER TAG ON THE ARTICLE, YOU FUCKING MORONS. SWEET CHRIST ALFUCKINGMIGHTY.<p> and as someone who actually bothered to SEE the film before reading said spoiler-tagged article, i have to say that 1) Massawyrm is completely right, and 2) all you morons with your dipshit critiques and opinions of a film you HAVEN'T SEEN YET sound like a bunch of pissy fucking biscuits. SEE THE SHIT, then criticize it, you dumb fucks.<p> and the reason AICN is giving it so much praise is because it DESERVES IT. it's an excellent film in nearly every capacity. FUCK, IT'S THE KIND OF MOVIE THIS SITE EXISTS FOR. such fucking idiots the lot of you are, it's a wonder these talkbacks even exist anymore.
April 16, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST
April 16, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST
Because theres a scene were two boy get shot at almost Point blank range with a shot gun. Were was the outrage for that ass of a movie.
April 16, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST
Cause clearly a purple Pageboy style is indicative of a stripper to some.
April 16, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST
A fucking spoiler alert? Thanks for giving away the ending.
April 16, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST
It is a really well written article, and if you hadn't ruined the ending I would have thoroughly enjoyed it.
April 16, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST
The violent superhero predates the Hulk foe Wolverine and the Spider-man villain Punisher and Miller's Dark Knight/Elektra Assassin and Moore's Miracleman and Rorschach by, oh, let's say a couple of generations. The young writers who grew up wanting to incorporate ultraviolence into comics grew up rebelling against the code approved "good guy always wins because it's the rule" comics of the '50s and '60s. They embraced the underground comix with heroes like Trashman and Pro-Junior and Corben's work. I think a key link, often overlooked, was the story Super Hero that Tom Sutton did for Warren: a serial killer poses as a vigilante super-hero to cover up the fact that he's really a vampire.<p>And that had roots a generation earlier in Mad Comics, the real source of something like D..., er, Kick Ass. <br /> Mad's Superduperman featured him and Captain Marbles beating the crap out of each other. Woman Wonder ended with a sexually frustrated Steve Trevor stomping on her with hob-nailed boots. Black-and-Blue Hawk gets shot by his men. And the true father of Sutton's Super Hero, Bat-Boy and Ruben ends with the line "I am no ordinary furshlugginer Bat-Boy, I am a Vampire Bat-Boy!" <br /> Yeah, Wolverine, Punisher and Ghost Rider popularized violent super-heroes in the '80s and did a lot of inappropriate guest appearances, but they didn't start violent superhero comics. <br /> Heck, back in the '30s Batman carried a gun and Superman picked bad guys up and hurled them without caring where they landed.
April 16, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST
by Mission Code Z
Yes, there is a spoiler tag on the main page, but if one is given a direct link to the review page itself, then they would not see said tag. Movie reviews, across the board, are inherently spoilerish to some degree, but I think it wouldn't hurt to preface a review, on its actual page, with a notice about actual MAJOR plot spoilers either.
April 16, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST
about the nuke that goes off at the end and blows kick-ass to pieces.<p><p><p> kidding ;D
April 16, 2010, 5:30 a.m. CST
Cracking fucking film.
April 16, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST
I thought it was a fun movie. I don't really understand why were are analysing it. Just watch it and enjoy it, because it is a good movie. Why else do we watch movies, other than to be entertained? This entertains. That should be it, right?
April 16, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST
Mind you, I haven't seen the film yet (the preview trailers make it look like utter shit though) but I recognize your usual application of intelligence to rationalize a film. You are the best writer on this site, and probably the most intelligent, which is why you actually are capable of CONVINCING rationalizations of bad films. You are capable of rewriting them in your head and presenting a review of them AS IF the film had actually been about the intriguing themes that you concoct for it. You really ought to try and apply your talents to actually WRITING. Books, novels, and um .... actual reviews.
April 16, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST
Gatling gun jetpack is the new Jumped The Shark. Movie was good but nowhere near the hype. The twist ending for Big Daddy in the book was much more fucked up and cool than the mainstream version in the movie. Oh well- it is what it is.
April 16, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST
The book is SO MUCH better. Still a good movie but SHIT. No TUNK joke??? COME ON!!!
April 16, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST
harry's "defense" was fucking retarded/childish WHAT MASSAWYRM HAS TO SAY HERE THOUGH IS WHAT EBERT DOESN"T GET AND WHAT HE NEEDS TO READ
April 16, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
As Massa said, this film is not grounded at all in reality. It started out with a very interesting premise and an interesting character, but then it lost its guts and turned into a geek fantasy where being a girl's gay friend is actually a great way of getting into her pants, and you can fail at beating up a couple low rent thugs one day and be the fucking angel of death the next with a fucking jet pack, raining down death with dual gattling guns attached to your flying fucking machine. It's worthless as a film. Ebert didn't lose touch, this film lost touch with the reality that it spent an hour and a half setting up. Fucking shameful. At least Nic Cage was entertaining, and Hit girl's action scenes are fun to watch.
April 16, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
FUCKING SPOILERS in my above post.
April 16, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST
Kick-Ass is a glorious techni-colour mess of a film. Nothing more, and nothing less. It's violent, obscene fun. It's offensive if you're incapable of telling the difference between film and reality (or believe you're the only one who can). Change the ages of the characters and there is literally nothing here you haven't seen before. But if you take it at face value, it's perfect popcorn fodder. However... Trying to justify the occassional tonal mis-fires as some kind of deep satire that only the enlightened can percieve is sweetly delusional. This movie has no more depth than Transformers. it's about entertainment, and little else. The Hit Girl scene around which much of your argument seemingly hinges, is not some clever re-writing of expectations. It's just bad writing. To have a girl wipe out rooms full of hired hitmen, whilst the big boss guy cowers behind a desk, only to suddenly make the boss turn out to actually be some kind of super ninja bastard, and the little girl be actually only a little girl? It's not a brilliant juxtaposition of fantasy and reality. It's the writer dropping the ball because they realise at this stage in the movie they HAVE to have a girl in peril, so that our idiot hero can rescue her and redeem himself. So we'd better pummel the child... I'd love to see the movie you claim this is. But it really, really isn't. Stop making excuses and enjoy it for the confused popcorn exploitation movie it is...
April 16, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST
It's whaling. "Read a book!" Nitpicks aside, thanks for the thoughts on the movie. Looking forward to checking it out.
April 17, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST
But based on the clips and the trailer i've seen the arguements do not make any sense to me. A pre teen girl beating people up,getting beat up and killing them is the least offensive shit i've heard about in film reviews on this site lately. It's a crazy though,but thats more acceptable to me than if it showed some pre teen or even average middle age woman or man being tortured and raped. That's the shit that passes for entertainment lately. If parents let there kids go see a rated R film thats there own stupidity. Film makers will continue to push the envelope, dumb asses will continue to bring the kids along for the rated R movies then complain about it. I doubt if that ever changes.
April 18, 2010, 6:28 a.m. CST
Beautifully written and well argued. Could not agree more you!
April 18, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST
here> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-5WmAHbOk !
April 18, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST
its here.. ands its fcking cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-5WmAHbOk