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‘You’re Not Going To Like It!!’ President Charles Logan Returns For The Last Eight Hours Of 24!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
Charles Logan, introduced during season four as an antsy vice president and last seen midway through season six, helped Jack Bauer’s brother kill David Palmer. When we last saw him he was flatlining, the result of Martha Logan’s kitchen knife severing a major artery in his shoulder.
Fox says of 8.17:
As the country reels from the day's devastating events, stalwart President Taylor attempts to resuscitate the peace agreement, the cornerstone of her administration. Much to her dismay, she is forced to solicit the services of disgraced former President Logan (guest star Itzin). Meanwhile, Jack Bauer makes an unprecedented emotional move that triggers the unthinkable, and back at CTU, Chloe is charged with new responsibilities. Guest Cast: Bob Gunton as Ethan Kanin; Frank John Hughes as Tim Woods; Necar Zadegan as Dalia Hassan; Nazneen Contractor as Kayla Hassan; Mido Hamada as Samir; Joel Bissonneette as Pavel; Gregory Itzin as Charles Logan; Sarah Hollis as Presidential Aide; Reed Diamond as Jason Oillar, Navid Negahban as Jamot; Graham McTavish as Mikhail Novakovich.
Chloe is charged with new responsibilities?
Last week’s two-hour installment of “24” gave the series its lowest score of the season.
After tonight, seven hours left.
9 p.m. Monday. Fox
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first maybe, maybe not?
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why is samir still in the cast list he died last week
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This season has had some severe problems (poor Katie Sackhoff, I blame the writers), but last week's double episode was very strong.
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theyll kill renee tonight which will send jack to crazy town and hel start fuckin up some shit. itzen returns for the rest of the episodes and michael madsen is coming soon so hopefully it will stay as hot as its been the last few weeks
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Apr 12, 2010 2:49:41 AM CDT
Looks like they are setting up another woman president.
by dailysportspages
The wife of the slain IRK president is going to assume the office... just watch.
Thats why the daughter tells her that its suicide.
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... kill Taylor already; please
Also, now that Starbuck has a real character, please don't just lock her away in some holding cell never to be seen again
Oh yeah, last little detail, please force Jack to have to shoot Freddie "My Father Is Rolling In His Grave" Prinze in the neck like he did to Curtis.
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She's in on it. She's in on the whole thing.
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...They finally get to do what 24 does best - reveal the big kahuna - the Who & What is really at stake.They've left it too late, if truth be told, and if Logan's the Big Kahuna, then it's too little too late.But the killing of Hassan was a nicely played out rug-pull, so i'm hoping they can somehow rescue this season.Starbuck is still hiding her real russian-spy-agenda, which will be the new maguffin - maybe it'll turn out that Logan has been a Russian mole the whole time! That might not be bad -- 24's strongest moment ever is still when a season one henchman (who'd befriended jack's wife) suddenly talked serbian (or whatever - sounded like bloody klingon) in the back of the limo under jack's interrogation. That threw everything sideways in great way. So if we get a Logan-suddenly-talking-Russian moment, don't be surprised -- this season reeks of desperate rehash after all.I noticed Brennan Braga's name on the writer's credit last week - so the harbinger of cancellation-doom is a lot more than just a back room exec on this dire season - explains a lot....
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Awesome thighs...
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You've combined two different characters there to make your "strongest moment ever". Even if you hadn't, the foreign angle was already known by then so it wasn't exactly a shocking or surprising moment at all.
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Last week??? Really! Now they are making something up about Russians? Worst. Season. Stretching. Ever.
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We all know the phrase by now: "the following takes place..."
It's another assurance that what we're watching is "in real time"
So, if in an attempt to hide a big reveal until the very last second, you offer up: "the transmission was pre-recorded" ... then you have contradicted your entire goal.
This isn't "The Usual Suspects" where the storyline can be revealed to be one big lie ... "the following takes place"; "the events happen in real time" don't allow for that escape hatch.
If you're going to show Jack & Crew in one scene and the antagonists in the next scene, then you CANNOT fall back on "prerecorded" ... especially after 7+ years of every scene happening AFTER the previous scene (or using split screen to show simultaneous events).
yeah, yeah ... I know it's nitpicky; but if this IS the final season then don't screw the pooch on your way out the door (and, for God's sake, let Jack screw SOMEONE finally) -
I was sure that the man who revealed the 'Serbs' were involved was the same man that had been with jacks wife, posing as an american, helping her search for Kim.Was i wrong? Who was it then that Jack interrogated in the limo?I'm pretty certain that this was the first time we new the 'Serbs' were involved.
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was a banker who I think financed the Drazens, his name was Ted Cofell.
The guy who befriended Teri was Kevin Carroll mascarading as Alan York. He entered the Limo after Jack killed Cofell and proceeded to shoot at Jack in the drivers seat. Jack looked back without blinking as the bullets hit the bullet-proof glass, that was awesome. -
...there is another? Ray Fiske had a twin sister!At this point, what is there left to debate? 24 is going to ride out, good or bad, just like Lost.
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Well, when it's up against Dancing w/the Stars AND the NCAA basketball championship, it's expected. In fact, I'd wager that if you showed all of the Monday shows, it would show that they all had similar lower ratings. I would expect that tonight's installment would bounce back up.
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down you're throat, but you'd be wrong"
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When the fuck did this happen? I feel like I'm visiting 24 at the hospice. Should I bring it flowers? A bottle of scotch? (sigh)
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hmmm?
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Apr 12, 2010 9:31:54 AM CDT
"You're Not Going To Like It!!!"
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
- Quoted from Jack Bauer as he removes his boxer shorts with a squealing tied-up President Logan bent over in front of him.
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'nuff said!
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The Dana plot is a No-Go! And the video-feed with Hassan plot was a slap in the realtime's fan - this time fullblown! Did the producers delierately try to win the competition for worst season plotting (after the season 6 debacle)?
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'nuff errors... I hope...
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Strange enough Hollywood's that lame... Can't they find anyone?
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I would like to squeeze them.
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Did you have to put the cameo appearance in the HEADLINE!!?!??!
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It's been reported for months now, and they've plastered Logan on every promo for tonight's episode. This isn't the fucking Zombie Victor Drazen showing up. Lighten up, people.
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To 24 has been reported for quite a while. It has also been in the previews for several weeks.
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I doubt we have seen the last of Starbuck-Jack said there is more than money to this so I think she is either linked to Logan or Michael Madsen's character which means she will be around until someone working for the big bad has her killed before she can spill the secrets.
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I totally missed that the real time got fucked in the last episode
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The finale should be a showdown between those two. I think it would be a fitting end to the show.
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Not all of us pore over every scrap of info on the show. I download the episodes and don't watch the previews specifically because I don't want to see spoilers. (24 was the show that made me stop watching episode previews because they were notorious for putting spoilers in them).
I had no idea Logan was going to be on the show and if knowledge of it was so widespread did it really need to be in the headline? These AICN headlines are usually just an out of context line from the show and the episode #, that's the way it should be.
It makes it all the more annoying when the little box it's in says "Spoiler" right in it. Well no shit.
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Apr 12, 2010 11:55:06 AM CDT
If he's featured in ads (which he is), it's not a spoiler.
by shermdawg
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Apr 12, 2010 11:57:57 AM CDT
I just wanna se Jack bang Freckles until she can't see straight.
by runawayboulder
if he don't do it I will!
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will President Charles Grodin be a reality for eight years starting in 2024? The man seduced Miss Piggy...so he can pretty much do anything.
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which would be the proper fucking way of saying that sentence in English.
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Do you people close your eyes put your fingers in your ears and yell LALALALALALA everytime an ad for 24 comes on?For fuck sakes they aren't spoiling the plot twist of some movie that comes out six months from now. They're telling you a character from past seasons is returning.TONIGHT. Which the ads for upcoming shows gave away TWO WEEKS AGO. I actually thought Logan was going to be in last week's episode.When they say: "Stay Tuned for scenes from the next 24", do you change the channel?Shut the TV off?Run into your panic room and spend the next 7 days in there until the next episode comes on?
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"Run into your panic room and spend the next 7 days in there until the next episode comes on?"
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24? Feels like 48. THere's eight more episodes to go? Jesus......
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and show up in badass mode. That alone might salvage this fairly ridiculous season...
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Actually, Aaron would have a great final villian. Fuck it.Also, last weeks 2-hours had the lowest ratings all season? Thats a shame. Last week kicked ass, I loved how Jack just shot that cunt dead when he knew he was going to run. Thats the Jack of old right there.
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I just watched the last 3 hours of 24 yesterday back to back and I was stunned by how good it was. I thought this show had just lost it for me, but it really has been just lazy writing apparently because I was rivited and felt like I was watching the 24 of old. Excellent stuff, hope the next 8 hours measure up.
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I would need to rewatch it, but I'm not sure y'all are correct about that. In the moments leading up to Jack and Renee's attack on the room, I don't think we were seeing shots in the room anymore. I think we were seeing shots of the broadcast itself, which - as it was on delay - would have been in real-time.
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I always make sure to avoid previews and trailers as 24 is the one show that is much better when you have no idea what is going to happen.
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You just hide underground for 6 days every freaking week?
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This season started really slowly... but it's now on fire! The last 4 episodes have been really good.
God, I'll miss 24 -
on the 16th of APRIL
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You must not watch a lot of Fox or FX. They've been promoting his return pretty aggressively and I'm guessing Greg Itzin's name is going to be in tonight's opening titles. If not, my bad.
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When and where will Jack bang Rack Bauer. You know it's gonna go down. Or at least he is.
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Unless they're saving him to be Jack's Blofeld in the movies.
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Will have little to do with the original plot--they have a full third of a season to go, and I predict this is going in a very different direction in the hope of resolving some long standing pltlines/questions--and, no, I don't mean where the fuck Behrooz is. Something is going to tie back into to Jack's WAY past that will end this. We're looking at Series ender here, folks, not season ender.
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He has been in every season of the show. What if he's the one that's actually been pulling all the strings? What an ending that would be.
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to write a decent ending for the series. You don't get that from the major networks very often.
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Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., better be shadowing Logan's shifty ass. And call him "CHARLES" in defiance.
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Apr 12, 2010 6:42:55 PM CDT
Yes Herc, PLEASE Don't Assume That We Know These Things Already
by _maltheus_
And yes cymbalta4thedevil, I do precisely that. I put my fingers in my ear and go LALALALALALA every time I see a commercial for a show I watch. Or at least, just long enough to grab the remote and fast forward through the commercials. It's slightly insane, but it makes for a far better viewing experience.I started doing this after getting sick of TNG promos ruining the entire episodes, and the week after I started, Scotty appears on the transporter pad and my "holy shit" was so loud, that neighbors knocked on my door to see what was up. It paid off so well, that I haven't watched promos since. My aversion to having shows ruined is the main reason I wrote that AICN Power Mod. But without warnings, I have nothing to filter on.
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I CANT'T BELIEVE THEY'RE BRINGING BEHROOZ BACK!
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While we have completely different lifestyles vis a vis spoilers (I love 'em) I kind of admire what you describe. You're the kind of man who gets things done, I imagine. And gets them done well.
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fuck up next?
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That so many hate this season... personally this has been the most entertaining for me in years... its been a while since 24 has been a must see for me. Didn't think the delay device was aggregious. All they needed was a few minutes head start. The season started out slow but the last four or five episodes have been great.
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melancholy RIP music to start this shit off
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but maybe it's just a flashback!
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...a flash forward!
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dammit FRECKLES! u had your bauer intuition and instead fell back on traditional female intuition and didnt do shit.
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LOL paki Fredo Corleone knows something is up with this russian filth.
aw shit these ruskies gonna assasinate FRECKLES! NOOO I NEED THOSE TITTIES IN MY LIFE
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I like watching things without being spoiled also, but I've figured out over time that Being Told Something Happens in a movie or TV show and Watching it Yourself are two vastly different things. If something really works as a story, it shouldn't depend entirely on twists or shock elements to be entertaining.I often watch an old episode of HOUSE or NCIS on cable and get halfway through it before I realize I've already seen it and remember how it ends. I enjoy the characters so much I usually enjoy rewatching it anyway.I'm old enough to remember that the novelization for THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was actually released before the movie. I bought it and read it and knew going in that Darth Vader was Luke's father. It didn't ruin the movie for me. That scene has a power to it that comes from James Earl Jones' voice and Mark Hamill's reaction. It's there no matter how many times you rewatch it.I mean I wasn't around in 1941 or 1960 so it stands to reason when I got to watch CITIZEN KANE or PSYCHO, I already knew that Rosebud was a sled & that Norman's "mother" was actually Norman himself. Just like there are kids being born now who will already know that Bruce Willis is dead when they watch THE SIXTH SENSE or that Kevin Spacey isn't who he appears to be in THE USUAL SUSPECTS.But then my Father always points out that television shows should never end definitively because THE FUGITIVE did lousy in syndication after everyone already knew He caught up to the One Armed Man in the series finale. So there's that point of view as well.
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Alls I remember is them finding Hassan with his head cut open last week, not shooting the goatee terrorist fucker. (he was an awful big bad anyway, but I serious don't remember him getting capped last week.) Anyone?
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Jack and Rack killed everybody when they got there.
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kim kardashian finna get busy with Fredo aka leisure suit larry before slumdogs body gets cold.
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Not Bubba.
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"Someone's calling...."
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why the gotta get rid of the nigga?
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The ONLY good character they give us this season besides Hassan, and they're ditching him.
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hahahha@ imaginary ass Division having a part in this. They are just some WHITE MAN fucking with niggas every chance they get.
LMAO@ chloe running CTU now. SCHEMATICS!!!
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It complements her freck....oh shit, they getting it on!
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are hitting the Sack!
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THEY'S A FUCKIN'!
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she'll come and go at the same time.
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Of course, I'd only last about 30 seconds so good on 'im.
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DO YOU NOT REALIZE SHE JUST RAW DOGGED A DIRTY RUSKIE A FEW HOURS AGO?? nooooooooooo
Jack dont fucking do it. you finna get all kinds of stds my nigga
oh shit that dirty RUSKIE STABBED THE old jew from coming to america. VAAT? VAT DID U SAY? CASSIUS CLAY? VATT??? -
Apr 12, 2010 8:26:20 PM CDT
cymbalta4thedevil, did they show the guy getting shot, though?
by tall_boy66
Like I remember people getting shot but I just remember it being terrorist faceless goons, not actual guy.
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We'd get some Reverse Cowgirl Action from Rack and millions of Geeks nationwide would splooge all over their keyboards...
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I really hope jack pulled out some trojans from his gully bag of tricks. I mean even tho he beat nuclear radiation last year russian stds are NO JOKE!
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Seriously, look at him.
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It was a pretty fast shootout. I can't remember who took him out.
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GIT BACK TO THE FUCKIN!
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hope she don't get shot in the back.
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"DAMMIT!"
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russia IRK US politics what the fuck ever. send this KGB shrew on his way please!
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if they just kept cutting back to that Sniper watching Jack and Rack banging away in real time...
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Hope she at least washed that nappy dugout.
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Betcha.
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she will be the best HEAD OF CTU EVER!!
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"well, if I can't get a clear shot might as well enjoy myself" *fapfapfap*
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Too bad they didn't do that at the beginning of the season.
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Ya'll crazy. BlackBauer I still expect a full report on my desk in 20 minutes. Translate this shit, son!
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Hahaha. His rifle scope keeps fogging up.
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Just rewatched the shoot out in the secret room in the closet, jack goes in shoots 2 dudes at the computer, and one guy wearing a ski mask. Unless terrorist guy was wearing the ski mask it wasn't him
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hell yea, He is definitely getting some action from Palmela right now,I bet he used to dream for years about seeing those tits and now he is seeing bauer nut all over em in impressive zoom. PERFECT!
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I will boycott this show next season! Oh wait, nevermind.
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40 minutes in and they still haven't cut to Rack smokin' a cigarette while Jack snores.
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gobble gobble
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Jack Bauer Power Hour indeed! Work that rack out Jack!!
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got damn princess slumdog is daft as fuck. READ INBETWEEN THE LINES BITCH!
got dammit even MORE political shit? At least with Count Dubaku we actually saw Sangala, but I dont know what the fuck an IRK is, therefore I dont give a shit about this peace agreement.
LOL@ the douche bag ex pres being in NY while all this is going down. and why is the pres going to meet this fuck? why isnt he coming to her? and WHY IS THERE MORE TALK ABOUT THIS GOT DAMN PEACE AGREEMENT? 24 is always shitty when there are too many old pasty face white people on screen.
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"Just listen to the music, Marge, he's evil!"
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They've been going at it for a good while.
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In 47 seconds! Damn those NYPD and NY CTU folks are quick.
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as the assistant? I'm sensing he will play into the next few eps a bit more than as a background player.
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Since both Lost and 24 are ending, "Logan n' Linus" should be a wacky buddy comedy spin off of both shows, wherein they go around the world lying and screwing over random strangers.
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Make the Beast with Two Backs.
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HAHAHAH@ that long shot on president retard. nigga look guilty as FUCK! ole grinch who stole xmas looking cracka
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Yes sir.
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He really did pretty dang good.
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Rack: "Yeah but I'll be bowlegged for the rest of my life..."
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Seriously. Fuck this fucking bullshit fucking cocksucking shit.
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First time Jack gets laid on screen in 8 years, and the bitch gets shot.
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NOT THE RACK!!!
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Dammit!
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Apr 12, 2010 8:54:02 PM CDT
Jack cant even get some tail without it gettin shot up!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
And not tittie shot either!
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"That was the best piece of ass I've ever had. DAMMIT!"
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You're forgetting horceface, the mexican chick, and the milf.
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CMON JACK u better save em, look at em jiggle in that sheet. oh man oh man NOOOO!!
HAHAH the smell of Jack and Frex sex hit that cab driver and spurred him into action driving like a fucking mad man!! they need to bottle that shit and sell it as a legal upper to college students who need to stay up to study AND fight terrorism. -
should save the docs some valuable seconds
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FUCK YOU 24.
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Seriously, Good riddance to this shit.
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I am fucking livid. Fucking shit. FUCK.
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oh yeah I'm Jack's Bloody Vengance
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Damn it.
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RIP Freckles.
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They shouldn't have killed Rack.
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Apr 12, 2010 8:58:08 PM CDT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
by runawayboulder
KILL EM ALL JACK!!!!!!!!!
KILL EM ALL!!!!!!!!
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to his time with Rack in the movie?
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Apr 12, 2010 8:58:17 PM CDT
Gut shot and still no titties! Like Paul McCartney said: Bummer
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
I mean, you would think they would be pulling that sheet down.
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takin all motherfuckers out in this bitch
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That woman's bountiful breasts deserved to be on the big screen. I thought she was gonna make it cause she didn't kick off as soon as she was shot, they got to the hospital and everything. Usually getting to the hospital in 24 for the good guys means you're okay (bad guys usually die from sneaky EMT's) RIP Freckles Rack Walker - the first character ever to get not one, but TWO silent clocks. Shit, she woulda been great in the flick. Shit, shit, shit.
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Fuck you, 24 writers. Fuck you right in the ear.
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Jack is gonna kill a whole lot of people..
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Why cant Jack just scream/yell out in anger?????????
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Jack is officially in this shit for the long haul now. NOOOOOOOOO!!! FREX FREZFREZZJDHKJAHDFJAHdjhsjhjahjshjaha YOU RUSSIAN BASTARDS i fucking HATE russia now. Im throwing all vodka out of my house, FUCK that shit, how are you gonna assasinate those titties?
LOOK AT JACK! Do u think he is gonna take this shit? Oh MAN that sniper finna get a gun shoved up his ASS next week. -
...they wouldn't pull this shit
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Rene got to come back, get raped, spend a couple hours off screen at Jack's apartment, tag along for some gunplay, get laid and get killed. While Dana spent what seemed like HALF OF EVERY FUCKING EPISODE dealing with Bo and Luke Duke. Everyone involved with this piece of shit season should never work again.
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because I am gonna lay into his sorry executive-producing ass. Unbelievable. Catvutt, I second that.
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What are they thinking?
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He didn't get some on-screen though, did he? Or am I forgetting something?
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They just put him through the wringer. Then they give him a new love interest and kill them off. But I thought at least he'd get a happy ending for once. Well, he kinda did. For about a half hour. Ba-dum-dum-ching.
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Only horseface....I think.
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David Fury murdered Rack Bauer
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Sorry, I don't dig that twist one bit.
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The last five episodes have been among the best of the series, as far as I'm concerned. Just wish it had been this good from the start.
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Their egos fucked up both their shows when it came to being outshined by their supporting cast.
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but alive. I still can't believe this fucking grade-school writing exercise bullshit.
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in his life. Bull fucking shit! Now I'm pissed off about this lazy ass writing. I know it's the last season but do you need to clean house? What next Chloe? Cole? Maybe head out to California and kill Kim and Terry just for sensationalism? Damn!
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That was some very powerful shit. THAT's where this is going-back to very,very personal stuff. Jack is going to go medieval on somebody's ass. I'm telling you, this is going to end up tying several seasons together soemhow by the end.
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That was a great episode.
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... but not in the same damn episode! Shit!
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Apr 12, 2010 9:08:03 PM CDT
If she's paralyzed she can't be in the movie to fight alongside
by tall_boy66
What's he gonna do, wheel her around the entire flick? They're winnowing the cast down to, like, Chole, Taylor, and Jack, and MAYBE Logan so they can keep minimal exposition when the flick starts (also the guy writing it who has never written for 24 ever doesn't have to be up to speed on the various characters).
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Apr 12, 2010 9:09:27 PM CDT
They have officially overused the shocking death angle
by mrblackjackbauer
its not shocking anymore, its just irritating.
They gotta realize that Jack isnt Al Bundy. He doesnt need to be in some perpetual state of hell all of his life.
Her just being shot would have been enough to get Jack back into action. I mean yea, now it will make him go off script and be filled with rage, but really do we need that angle? FUCK NO!
Killing her off in the movie would have made waaay more sense, but I guess they will need a A list actress for that role, so might as well get rid of Freckles now.
TRAVESTY! TRAVESTY I SAY! -
There was nothing great about that episode. It was 50 minutes of filler, and then a few minutes of "shock the viewer" cliché bullshit.
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You'd all be saying it was great writing.
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Apr 12, 2010 9:10:24 PM CDT
Jesus Rack. Like really, can't Jack have a half fucking hour of
by stuntcock mike
The upside is:
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Apr 12, 2010 9:10:24 PM CDT
It was harsh, unfair, painful, and last minute. And it's also 24
by tall_boy66
This shit happens constantly on this show, nobody is ever safe. I remember being mega-pissed when they bumped off Palmer at the start of S5 but it turned out to be the best season ever.
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That would have been shit as well.
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Chloe's going down. She's going down Hard as shit
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Anyone want to start an office pool gaming the odds on how many dead Russians we see next week.
Seriously though, Bauer's gonna be a miserable loner for life.
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Chloe's aggravating, can't act for shit ass should've been killed off years ago.
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he wants "justice". Fuck that, too.
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Screen time when they are dead than when they were alive.
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The post-coital dew still glistening from her massive footballs.
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Weren't you the one who spoiled about seven weeks ago that a major, RECURRING character was gonna die based on info you gleaned from the UK ladsmag.
Is there some insight you possess into this matter and more importantly, ARE YOU SURE????? -
Apr 12, 2010 9:13:48 PM CDT
We ALL know Freckles is gonna get revived by Emerson's crew
by tall_boy66
Yes, Emerson and his crew is dead but that didn't stop Tony from coming back. This'll all be fine, don't worry.
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It is my sincere hope that the final episodes are filled with scenes of my hero Jack Bauer brutally interrogating scumbags like that Starbuck bitch, and beating Russians and other terrorist scumbags to death with is fists!!! Jack deserves to dich dish out some revenge and I for one am fucking ready to see it!!!
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Jack had been hit, and Renee saved his ass, and the rest of the season followed her? So disappointing.
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Apr 12, 2010 9:16:27 PM CDT
The justice line might be just B.S. to get into the same room as
by runawayboulder
so he ring her throat.
Found this on the web, still can't believe they killed her off.
http://www.anniewersching.net/
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but this season has clearly demonstrated that good writing got the silent clock some time back.
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...don't trust the press release!
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Apr 12, 2010 9:18:13 PM CDT
Jack woulda been just as Revenge driven if she was in surgery
by tall_boy66
But this show likes to make Jack's life hell. And it clears the deck for the flick. I'm just shocked that she managed to protect her modesty by covering her breasts even after being shot.
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His one seed o' love (jack dont need millions of sperm fighting,none of them would ever win against another anyway) has been firmly entrenched in Freckles' baby maker. I expect the young warrior to be born by the first commercial break next week and morph into a full grown man on a horse by the end of the episode.
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Apr 12, 2010 9:20:20 PM CDT
I have a problem with the steadfast refusal to show even a hint
by stuntcock mike
of side tit. Maybe some top of the ass cleavage. Seriously fuck, SHE'S DYING, we need not die along with her.
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to play Red Sonja! ;^)
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Nah, I need Hendricks for that. Rack for Meryl in Metal Gear....if it ever happens.
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Fuck justice, I want revenge.
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Have her get shot straight through while she's riding him like a fucking stallion. Give it some real cinematic umph.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed that she got killed! But that's when 24 is clicking on all cylinders. I wasn't shocked she got shot, but I am surprised they won't let Jack have a happy ending. I was expecting her to be shot last week but was pleasantly surprised that the foreshadowing was instead a swerve for Hassan. So even though as Jack puts on a shirt to get his woman some water, I'm saying out loud "Oh shit, they better not shoot her. Oh shit...no, no..." and pop-pop, "FUCK, they did it!"
Kudos...24 always has balls and they proved it again.
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No, it just proves they can't come up with a decent storyline without using the same tired gimmicks they've been using for years.
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the mayhem you know we all want to see. Sadly they'll set up saving the Peace Treaty against that objective and Jack should just go rogue--do a Tony--and start fucking up everyone he can get his hands on with an accent, an off-color cheap suit and bad hygiene. Turn himself in afterward and go to prison when he's done. setting up nicely for the movie.
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I mean besides Aaron showing up? Jack going ballistic isn't anything new. The remaining episodes are gonna be a snoozefest.
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Apr 12, 2010 9:42:53 PM CDT
24: The most mysognistic group of staff writers EVER
by nasty in the pasty
If you're a woman on 24, you'll either be a shrieking damsel-in-distress, a castrating, mole-y bitch, an autistic whiner, or a self-sufficient, competent chick...who will then get a bullet in the gut or blown to pieces.It's official...24 hates women.
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Last season? Yeah, that's about right. These writers are treating Jack like the NYPD Blue writers started treating Sipowicz. Piling on tragedy and making him completely miserable. I know he's only a fictional character, but again, like NYPD, I'm starting resent the writers for effing with the lead character.
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Nothing more to see here. More scenes "in the box" with Dana? Um...yay? And the more I think about how they fucking WASTED Rene this season, the more irritated I get. Prior to this, their big emotional scene was over the fucking phone for Christ's sake.
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THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT! THE ONE CHARACTER WHO BESIDES JACK AND CHLOE I GAVE A SHIT ABOUT AND TUNED IN TO WATCH. THE BEST NEW CHARACTER INTRODUCED LAST YEAR WHO WAS A FAN FAVORITE AND THE CLUELESS SHOWRUNNERS KILL HER OFF!FUCK WATCHING THIS SHOW FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, AND FUCK WATCHING THE 24 MOVIE FOX. JACK COULDN'T AT LEAST HAVE SOMEONE TO GO HOME TO AFTER SAVING THE WORLD. NO, YOU FUCKING KILL HIS GIRL WHO WAS A FAN FAVORITE.GO FUCK YOURSELF 24 SHOWRUNNERS AND FOX!!!ASSHOLES!!!WHY DO NETWORKS AND SHOWRUNNERS SCREW WITH FANS???
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Apr 12, 2010 9:47:03 PM CDT
http://walkercount.com - The BEST of Rack's all too short run on
by runawayboulder
Some great vids in there, check it out. RIP Freckles Bauer.
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Heh.
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#1David Palmer - could still be political backup power #2Curtis Manning - Could still be running point with Jack, but he was really mad about some drama in his early GI Joe days and Jack shit him out of the blue. #3 Edgar - had a fun dynamic as CTU's more special child. 4 Rack - this may be the worst offense of the show yet, after they do it, really? 5 Bill Buchanan- Only CTU head that trusted Jack, even when given no reason to.
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Season 6 actually started okay, considering the rather shitty set-up. But the manufactured Curtis kill pretty much kicked the whole fucking thing over the cliff.
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Glad they bumped him off. He was Basil Exposition. "Jack you have to go here and blah blah blah". Cut to Jack doing crazy shit while Bill just looks pensive the whole episode at CTU. Motherfucker was a pimple on the ass of Ryan Chapelle and George Mason. That one didn't phase me in the slightest.
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Dude was a terrible actor. Palmer's death was alright in my book, but it should've stopped with him and not carried over to Michelle. Edgar would've got more annoying than Chloe in the long run. Manning was underused for sure and his death was stupid as shit, I agree. And Rack's death is right up there with Tony's as the dumbest moves this show's history.
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Sheri Palmer, Giell, Fat Hobbit, Michelle, Hassan, Terri, George Mason(greatness), and Ryan Chapelle. See, these deaths all served a purpose, but didn't affect the dynamic of why fans watch the show. It is sad that by just keepng 2-3 of the favorites around instead of replacing them with an identical character that the audience has no attachment to is what killed this show more than anything. Freelance Tony saving Audry and Jack is still the greatest of what the show has to offer because it showed that the show was willng to give viewers what they wanted. Same feeling with Rack a few weeks ago. Instead they just piss all over us fans and kill off the best of what this show has to offer. Damn I wish this show could have gone on 2-3 more seasons at it's strongest levels in seasons 3-5.
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Preach it.
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Or her daughter? Have that set him over the edge and have Renee try to help him though it and get revenge, all while blaming herself for getting them killed. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE PEACE TREATY??? This is where the show sucks, and the writers don't understand, we tune in for the characters, not the politics. We want a more personal storyline, and THIS wasn't the way to do it. YOU DON'T HAVE TO KILL OFF YOUR SUPPORTING CAST TO DRIVE THE STORY.
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and ever year its the same thing.
this show was never all about Jack until they killed Palmer. Then it became a one man show instead of an ensemble show. that first season was half jack half palmer and was better because of it.
the shock death of palmer was used to bring jack back in the exact same way this shock death of freckles brings jack back. its not very shocking anymore, its expected. ooh lets kill off a fan favorite again, the blogs will go crazy and people will talk about it.
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They would have for sure after that crap turned viewers away.
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showrunners are SO FUCKING CLUELESS. I started watching 24 beginning day 5 but friends of mine who watched from the beginning were upset about the treatment of Tony by the showrunners.Day 6 sucked but now this DAY 8 IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THE WORST SEASON OF 24. With Day 7, I was lukewarm to watching it because of the repetitive plot twists but the introduction of the interesting Renee Walker AKA FRECKLES BAUER is the reason to keep watching. As long as Jack, Chloe and Freckles remained bulletproof, I would continue to tune in.Would it have been that hard to just injure her but not fatally to give Jack motivation for the remaining few hours of Day8? You, me, or anyone on this board could come up with better ideas than these ASSHOLES.THESE ASSHOLES GOT A REACTION OUT OF THE REMAINING PEOPLE WHO WATCH THE SHOW. BUT, IT WAS THE WRONG ONE. I HOPE THE RATINGS NOW GO INTO THE TOILET AND THE MOVIE FUCKING BOMBS!!!!
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We keep coming back. It's like we can't walk away from an abusive relationship. They say they're gonna change. They promise things will get better. And then they pull shit like this. We know it'll happen. EVERY FUCKING TIME. Yet we keep coming back because Jack's a bad ass. If only some other show would have caught on, copied the formula but without the blatant not giving a fuck about it's audience storytelling, maybe 24 would've actually changed for the better. Maybe it would've been canceled by now. Maybe we would've all just decided to watch marathons of Die Hard and Lethal Weapon flicks on Monday nights and forgot about Kiefer. Maybe I'm rambling. FUCK.
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Damn straight Sherm. In fact, so many of us had been calling for Kim's head for so long, this would have turned out being the best death in the shows history. I could totally accept relationship angst with Jack and Rack that I wouldn't stand for in most shows because of the weight of the situation. I'll give this a *sigh* as well.
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Gives me hope that a Jack, Tony, Logan showdown may still be in the future.
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Next time you bang a babe, Jack make sure you close the drapes.
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Next time you bang a babe, Jack make sure you close the drapes.
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Jebus, I don't know why I torture myself every monday watching how predictable this show became years ago. I knew once they brought Freckles back, and showed Jack had feelings for her, that she would be killed off. I knew Slumdog President was going to his 72 virgins and Turkey Neck ex-prez was going to turn up and spew quasi-evil. If the show wasn't ending I would have said they jumped the frakkin shark by putting Chloe "One Method of "Acting" and I Think I Am Funny, But I Deserve To Have A Bullet Shot Straight Through My Hollow Skull" O'Brien in charge of CTU instead of Bubba Hastings. Now we get to see her act all serious and be a smart ass to the president. Taylor will ask her for updated info and she'll just roll her eyes and say "alright....*scowl and sigh* I'm working on it" then pull something out of her ass and say "here!" slamming it down on the table then leaving the room to sit down at her desk to eye everyone loathingly.
Jack should kill the whole cast and in a bit of heavy breathing as he sits upon a pile of all the cast's bodies, look up at the camera, head slightly lowered, grab the president's head, take a big bite out of it, throw his head back and howl in rage holding the severed presidential head in one outstretched arm while the other outstretched arm has its fist clenched tightly....just sayin' -
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I think that is why in the preview Logan shouts that he "mmust be stopped!" At first I thought, oh great Logans a shit again; but then it dawned on me that Renee's death is just gonna make Jack go nuts and he's going to off the Russian delegation! Good news: Jack will be on the warpath. Bad news: All the good will he has earned from the government this season will be gone.
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On that site that was posted. She has to BS her smile thorough all the interviewers being like, "So, 24, are you excited to be on that show?" and it's like she's thinking immediately "Uhhhhhh, I'm dead." But maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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...Jack goes bad guy, single handedly fucks up the peace treaty, becomes public enemy number one, bolts for Europe. This is where the movie picks up. Tony Almeida is released from prison under the supervision of a new character, Chloe O'brien and Henry Iasn Cusick's Theo Stoller to hunt him down.
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Right in the middle of all the other delegates. Shoots him right in the head. BOOM BOOM BOOM. Run the clock. Series over. (Jack executing a foreign official at the UN will be given an really convenient throwaway line in the movie: "Well, Jack, I'm glad you got full immunity from President Taylor, but still...")
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is behind all this he was alive at the end of last season and cant these writers just let jack be happy with a sexy woman first they
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to see what people thought of movies, tv episodes, etc. My god, nothing but whining, moaning, bitching bitches who think they know better than everyone else. This shit was good. Killing off a character is not recycling plotlines.
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-FRECKLES-AKA-RENEE-WALKERS-LOVELY-RACK/117464371604416
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Sure it is. Anyone can spot just how by the numbers this show's writing has been regardless of who's been in charge. From the "shocking" pointless deaths, to the main crisis being resolved half way through, to a mole in CTU, to past relationship/family drama pulling attention away from crisis, to Jack going rogue, to Jack getting fucked up, to Jack being redeemed, to...
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I grant the writers a major thumbs-up for 1) President Hassan's character and 2) making me truly care when he died. That reveal last week was devastating. But one bright spot does not save a season. Howard Gordon is right to stop the show. He can't deviate from formula. Another showrunner could have come up with something fresh and challenging conceptually. But Gordon is a mad-libs writer.
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Fuck a Howard Gordon.
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...get a bit edgier, weave more of a mythology into the show, pick up Wersching....AND NOT KILL HER. She could be Guerrero's sister while Haley's filming Elm Street sequels.
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Cuddling = death. Yeah WTF Renee's dead?! I kinda had a feeling when she was on Attack of the Show and when Kevin asked her if she was looking forward to the movie she looked away as if to say, "I don't think that's gonna happen." aw shit. Fuck Brandon Braga. I know it was you. You broke my heart. You broke my heart.
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Christopher Chance would've made sure Renee Walker wasn't killed off.
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And I mean that in a good way. Don't want to spoil it but ... damn.
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YOU BETTER NOT SPOIL IT!!!
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That's 28 minutes longer than Daniel Jackson.
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I don't know what to say. We got Jack and Rack finally fucking (for about 40 minutes -- they started around 10 after and we didn't see them again until about 10 till). Then Chloe becomes head of CTU and Charles Logan shows up, slimy as ever. And then Rack dies!
I'm sorry to see Renee go, but I wasn't as into the character as everyone else. Though I was kinda looking forward to seeing her in the movie.
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... now this.
No, not the killing of Rack ... Stevie Wonder saw that one coming when they brought her back this season ... I'm talking about how this series in ending.
It's like watching Ali in that fight against Holmes or Dr. J trying to run the floor against that LA's rookie Magic Johnson.
Granted, ending the series with the clusterfuck of Season 7 would've been bad enough, but at least it gave us Tony and (apparently) the end of Wilson's Double Secret Behind The Scenes All Powerful Corporation.
But now, 24 is that former superstar who didn't know it was time to hang it up years ago and limps its way to the finish line ... in last place.
The one bright spot is that they've proven that you CAN have storylines written by a room full of chimps pounding on keyboards approved for production.
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i hate when they put guest stars in opening credits ;)
"guest staring carlos bernard"
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for the first time this season, i want jack to get the guys. i want hassan's wife to succeed. i'm curious what the logan's up to. four episodes i couldn't give a fuck if the bomb went off...now i'm finally rooting for the good guys. here's hoping for a strong finish. -
...killing every character that has a fan base or writing them out of the series does not endear us more to Jack. The ratings this season should show you that 24 fans need more than the Jack Sack and terrorists to be interested.
Renee was arguably one of the best characters to grace the show next to Bill, David, and Tony. What do you guys do? Kill her to focus on Jack for the last 8 hours.
Now, I can understand if Annie Wersching wanted an exit, but I didn't read anything to make me believe that. Instead of surrounding Jack with likable characters and building the show around dynamics, you flush every supporting character in favor of cheap, fleeting emotional resonance that doesn't last longer than the 4 ticking silent seconds at the end of the episode.
Although I will say Jack fucking for half an hour after A) Getting stabbed and B) Getting pistol-whipped is pretty damn heroic, it is notwithstanding the extreme mistakes the show has made in the writing department.
I regret to say that now that Renee is dead (my favorite character),, it refuels the resentment I bore when David Palmer was killed. These deaths were essentially meaningless with the arrow of emotional impact soaring fast enough past the heads of the audience not to care.
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But Michelle's death pissed me off more. She kicked so much ass, especially in season 3, and she was hella cute. Why won't they allow this show to have cute, ass-kicking women? Now we're left with that potato-face, Chloe. Good grief.
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...do a Renee Walker tribute song in the spirit of Ray Lamontagne's "Meg White".
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to move Jack forward? It makes no sense. If they really ran out of ideas on what to do with her (or Kiefer's ego got in the way), why not just let her survive and have her bed-ridden for the rest of day 8? That way, Jack can still be angry at what happened while Renee is in the hospital recovering. Win-Win. Renee gets no screen-time, like the producers intended, but at least we'll know shes alive. Save her for the last hour, when she awakens to see Jack's smiling and relieved face staring back at her. Happy fucking ending for 24, and it'll end on a high note. Come on 24 writers!
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Her death served no purpose. A complete waste. If they wanted her out of play, she should have spent the rest of the season recovering in the hospital. Jack is still just as motivated to find out who did it as if she did get killed, so whats the difference? With 9 episodes or whatever left in the season, plus a possible movie, and thats it for 24....killing Renee was effectively killing Jacks last chance at being happy at the end of all this. He's officially doomed. He has no out anymore, no chance at the happy life he so deserves. I don't understand this move. Very, very stupid. I guess 24 ends on a downer. Oh well.
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It would have been perfect. They could have had Renee in a coma for the final 7 hours while Jack goes on a bloody revenge tear. He kills everyone involved leaving the prez no choice but to arrest him. There could have even been a suicide/standoff scene similar to Tobey Maguires at the end of Brothers. Renee wakes up from coma at 5 min to asking for Jack, only to see Chloe or Cole or whoever standing there not knowing what to say. Meanwhile Jack is placed in handcuffs, giving us a nice ending to the tv series, while providing us a nice cliffhanger for the movie. THE END.
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Apr 13, 2010 5:46:48 AM CDT
Christ who cares. She was a shitty actress anyway
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
On a show with the shitties writing. She don't so much as act as throw on a pouty face when a scene called for emotion (like jack from lost) or put a blank stare if the scene needed to show THE EMPTINESS INSIDE. You guys are just crying because the only reason for watching (the rack) is gone now.
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But fuuuuuuuck - that was unnecessary. This season has been a total rehash of the best bits from earlier seasons (dead president, mole, CTU taken out, woman Jack loves shot through chest and killed, blah blah blah).
Just get Aaron and Naked Mandy back, fuck it, maybe even Tony for some reason - I mean, nothing they do can make this season any worse, so they may as well just go all out ridiculous. -
Ill miss those titties!
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LOVED that. Renee was annoying, and the whole "emotionally damaged by the Russian thing that happened 6 years ago but no one mentioned it at all during the mission 9 month ago" was an unforgivable ret-con, but I felt bad for Jack. Kiefer really sold that scene hard, he's had a good run this year and I hope he gets an Emmy nod for it.
Now we will see a completely off the leash Bauer. People are going to die and I'm betting Jack pulls the trigger on Logan before this is all over. This season is a total incoherent mess (if anyone can sort out Samir's grand plan please do) but it's been damn fun since hour 12. -
I'd be more pissed about Rack if the show wasn't canceled, but knowing that there won't be another season, no biggie.And bitching about the same old tricks? Shit, what show have you people been watching? The 24 show "bible" only requires one page!
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Didn't next week's promos show Jack looking puzzled as doctors wheeled an empty gurney out of Freckle's room? What was that all about? Could a Tony Almeida 2.0 be in the offing? We can only hope.
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Jack wanders New York City looking for survivors. But they've all been killed off by the show's writers. Everyone. The city is deserted. Jack is like Will Smith in I Am Legend. But instead of some wimpy German Shepherd, he has that cougar from a couple seasons ago.
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Shock value for the sake of shock value, with absolutely no subtlety. Jack may as well paint his face and start drinking Faygo.
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Also, the cougar was six seasons ago.
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you could probably infer who is under the gurney sheet.
If they choose to do what I think they are going to do, Shermdawg, then this will go down as the most pathetic example of spent creativity destroying what was once a great piece of art.
Having watched the gradual erosion of repetetive, lazy, "cheap-pop" writing that has steamrolled since S5 makes me hope that the movie doesn't come to fruition.
If they continue with the cheap, emotionless resonance NEXT week, then Kierfer should probably just call his career a day because this would mark the pinnacle of ignorance to great art.
WHO on this staff is SO blind that they can't see that this same tired retinue of emotionless killing of quality support characters could be better written by your kid's third grade phonics class.
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but we got a silent clock- She's dead Jim
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She IS indeed dead. But this just might be a separate gurney.....maybe.
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it had her dead body on it. Jack was looking at her bod covered in a sheet. Here's a behind the scenes clip @ http://www.fox.com/24/hyundai.
She's gone buddy. She even has a twitter page you can check out. She was thanking her fans for their support today. -
His Wife,Michelle,Both Prez Palmers and Hussan,and not Renee?Dammit!let's just hope nothing bad happens to Kim. (i.e. The Cougar makes his reappearance but this time, Kevin Dillon is not around to save her sweet ass.)I can't really imagine how the final episode will end but i'm sure they are gonna go out with a bang..or a boom.
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Either that or he really wanted to get laid that day. I'd say after being brutally tortured and suffering a stab wound to the gut I wouldn't be up for much. As for the books in his pad.....I think it would be hilarious if it were nothing but self-help books.
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Yes, the movie I guess would be kind of hypotehtical in what charaters it would include/how big their parts would be. With the show ENDING it doesn't matter who doesn't get screentime for the last 8 episodes because, in a way, they'll all be "dead" because the show itself will be dead and cancelled. So if they can wring some drama out of Jack being emotionally tortured some more, I say let 'em.
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thread in which 24 fans upset with killing off Renee posted their thoughts. I signed on last night just to post my thoughts. It was this up this morning and the only active thread with people saying they are done watching the show. Now, it has been deleted by FOX.WELL, FUCK THESE ASSHOLES WHO CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT AND DEAL WITH THE CRITICISM.The 24 movie if it now ever gets made should just be a remake of the Michael Douglas movie Falling Down. Jack Bauer can only take so much before he mentally snaps.These 24 showrunner ASSHOLES should just make it offical and KILL OFF CHLOE, KIM, AND HIS GRANDDAUGHTER TO MAKE HIS MISERY OFFICIAL.
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You could have just shot her and that would have been more than enough. Jack would have set the city on fire and waited at the GWB to check every car leaving the city to look for the sniper. But no you had to kill Chesty for shock value. Man, David Palmer, Bill, and Curtis should not have been killed. Where is Jack going to ever find another woman like Renee? She truly was a ride or die chick. She was as screwed up as he was and knew that together they might make life better for each other. sad, sad, sad. Hope Wersching gets some work from this she deserves better. Damn that was some bad writing.
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and Chloe gets finally in charge. Awesome!!!
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History repeats itself. Even though I don't like the Rack dying either. lets just think about it! Jack is back as the pissed off motherf#cker we all want him to be in the end! Now it is time for 24 to go out in a blaze of glory with Jack going F'ing Jules (pulp fiction Samuel L Jackson) style here and kill every last one of the motherf#ckers. That would be great to see!
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When did you make the decision to kill her off?
HOWARD GORDON: At the very beginning of the season. I even told Annie and Kiefer [Sutherland] that that’s where the story was going.
What was their initial reaction when you told them?
GORDON: They both got it because it was a pretty simple story, one true to form for the show. We really were looking for an emotional anchor for Jack, and it was brought up very early in conversations about where Renee was, what she was up to, and how they would reconnect. But the idea that Jack again has this chance at happiness at the beginning and somehow this person — who he’s influenced in the last year — chooses to make this decision that has had terrible consequences for her and Jack and for which Jack feels responsible was really the hook to me about why Jack is really sticking around this year… We knew Jack and Renee would get a chance to reconnect, but there’s always been the moment of breathless real-time sex that we’ve looked for during the last nine years and it was something Kiefer and I talked about. And it felt like when else can they possibly do it than at the end of this story? And as you’ll see, the ramifications of [her death] are obviously what the rest of the season is all about.
Was there some doubt or internal debate about whether this was the right decision?
GORDON: Yes. We always have some doubt when we do certain things. We had a couple of thoughts and concerns, but the way the story fell it had to happen… My wife was literally in tears watching it. And when I can make my wife cry [watching 24], I know I made the right decision.
Where does Renee rank among the loves of Jack’s life?
GORDON: No one ever understood Jack more deeply than Renee, [so] she may have been his greatest love. Jack was always segregating — even with Audrey Raines, who he loved but who represented another world. A world that he had chosen to join and hang up his gun. So when that story started it was a very conscious choice on Jack’s part: I fell in love with this woman; I’m going to put on my suit and hang up my six-shooter. With Renee, she knew the worst part of Jack going in. Jack was the guy being brought up in front of this House Sub-committee and was a monster as far as she was concerned. He had done terrible things that were against the law that she could never imagine endorsing herself, but, of course, she finds herself in a similar position by the end of the season. Part of it, too, is that [Jack] has never had a romance that was in real-time. We saw every moment that Jack and Renee were ever together. So in that sense, it was the most 24-specific romance ever.
I thought it was interesting that you cut away from Jack and Renee for two whole acts after they started making love. Did a lot of thought go into how long it takes Jack Bauer to make love to a woman?
GORDON: Oh absolutely. And, by the way, Jack and Renee were not by any means done. I think this was probably closer to Round 1. I mean, he was just getting a glass of water. So yes, we were very sensitive about it because it’s a very sensitive thing. We really wanted to do it as tastefully and virile-y as possible for a man like Jack Bauer.
I can only imagine how that conversation went.
GORDON: [Laughs] Trust me, it was a funny and a fun and a real conversation.
Was Kiefer involved in that discussion?
GORDON: Yes, he was.
How does Jack bounce back from this?
GORDON: He doesn’t. This is a game-changer for him. It’s like all deaths. He’s lost something he can’t get back. He has a way he wants it addressed, and if he doesn’t get satisfaction and justice, you know, he’s gotta find another way. But it really does set things in motion that are pretty profound for the character and it’s a place I don’t think he’s ever gone before. It’s as dark and complex and as combustible as any place Jack’s ever been.
Switching gears, your last day of production was last Friday. How’d it go?
GORDON: It was an incredibly emotional day. I’m just so incredibly proud to be a part of it… This has been an incredibly strong season. I can [only] judge it in terms of what my own opinion is of the show and what I hear about it anecdotally from the people who are friends and family, but I feel very proud of this year. Kiefer is very proud of this year. People are happy to be ending with such creative vigor.
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Kiefer's seems like a stand-up guy in real life.....HOWEVER
They (showrunners, executives etc.) probably are deluding themselves right now into thinking that the amount of heat being generated by Rack's death somehow equates into a reaffirmation of just how "cutting edge" 24 supposedly is.
The problem is that they aren't listening to the base (which has been reflected in their piss poor AND STEADILY DECLINING weekly ratings)
You know there's a whole school of thought over there that they're going out on a "high, dramatic bang" with such controversial writing. Kiefer has said as much in TV Guide last week.
It's amazing how delusional this whole staff has become. The show's dead, ruined by a catastrophic convergance of ego, mediocrity, laziness, and base stupidity.
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'Cos Jack's a day-trader when he's not saving the world.
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Think I spotted a jar full of pickles too.
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Jack is going to go criminal to end the show. Leave it to Fox to pull a Sopranos type ending and ruin every ounce of patriotic empathy for doing the right thing and make Jack go out on the "dark side" so-to-speak.
So much for Gordon's earlier promises that Jack was going to end the series in a respectful, fulfilling way to the character.
This interview virtually guarentees that he goes out as a rogue, probably wanted or convicted (to set up the movie) which would turn into the biggest fanbase betrayal in TV history.
And it's just this type of cowboy, renegade literary process that will delude the pinheads in the executive suite into thinking that all this somehow equates into cutting edge television writing.....
Calling it now fans.....Be prepared for the biggest collective slap in the face by a franchise in TV history.
Will make the Sopranos ending look like the MASH swansong episode....
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is like 3 hours minimum driving at high speed. I live in central Jersey and it's nearly 3 hours for me. They have people leaving Manhattan and arriving in Wrightstown in one episode. Even by chopper it's going to take an hour. Ah forget this shit. Howard Gordon you made the wrong decision to kill of Renee. And Marshall got mugged by a monkey on HIMYM LOL.
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NY Times | Published: April 2, 2010
The writer had been invited as a “consultant” on day 8 and had spent a month with HoGo and his team of writers during the early stages of planning day 8, and depicts some of the difficulties the writers have been facing every single year. First of all: the real time format. Second, the fact that everything you could possibly think of has already been done, in one way or another. Thirdly, the continuity of the story. And finally, the sheer amount of writing necessary to write a whole season.
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I couldnt help but think, what if he got in the Cash Cab. You know Ben Bailey cant drive like that
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..he would have never caught that cab and Rack would have died a more uncomfortable death..(Cabbies don't stop for the brothas in NYC or practically anywhere else.)
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"the fact that everything you could possibly think of has already been done, in one way or another" BULLSHIT, I SAY!
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Hitler is going to be pissed.
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jack has put criminals and terroists through is nothing compared to the torture the writers of 24 have put jack through
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I second that...so much wicked fan fiction and good stuff like the 24 one shot comics. Not saying I could write the show any better for a whole season, but I'd love to give it a try! By the sound of that article I posted, those writers were burned out and it has shown.
But I do like this season, and have enjoyed many moments so far. I think the finish is going to be spectacular. They've been re-using stuff since 2005 pretty consistently as far as plot points, like moles answering to superiors not realizing the boss is actually a bigger mole...the only characters Jack encounters who are trustworthy usually end up dead...you know, key stuff like that.
We'll now have a new kind of dangerous Bauer to witness! Hassan and now Freckles, aww hell no. Fuck the damn peace treaty! Russia will pay! Hahaha!
Go Jack Go! I had wondered if the show would have the sack to end with Taylor ready to call war on Mother Russia! I think that would be a hell of a way to lead into a movie. Think of all the Clancy stories and fictional books & film where Hollywood doesn't have to be so politically correct, and can just make up an alternate world where war against an actual super power would go down. A full-fledged assault on Russia to hunt the evil Commies with JB leading the charge would kick ass on the big screen! All these conspiracies and attempts by rogue Americans to create and prepare for war over the years...how cool would it be if happened anyway, despite Bauer and co. getting in their way all these years?! Jack would enlist Tony and start to assemble our dream 24 special forces team!
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When writing a long post, it helps to separate your paragraphs. You have use without spaces. You know, just throw it in there every couple of lines and people might actually read that fucking mess.
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...because she's a fucking psycho loon-bat. Last year, she was opening all of America up to a terrorist attack, just to bring peace to one African village. It's admirable to say, we don't negotiate with terrorists, and on the big issues, that's something we should stick to. But in the real world, if terrorists are threatening to destroy a city if they don't get a cookie, then you give them a cookie. Especially, when it's a behind the scenes threat. When you're willing to sacrifice NY to prevent a country from merely acquiring nuclear technology, then you're kind of missing the point of being against them having it in the first place.
Taylor is the worst fictional president in the history of TV. In the middle of crisis mode, she takes the time out every 2 minutes to console some pointless widow (who I guess is not so pointless anymore, but she was). She's so unable to think for herself that she needs to rally her friend out of bed for advice, not 30 minutes after having a heart attack. Everyone she surrounds herself with ends up betraying her at the drop of a hat. When those advisers betrayed her, they were only doing what Jack does every other episode to people far more competent, and guess what, they were right. If Jack and Taylor had their way, NY would be incinerated by now. God, I miss Palmer. -
I just cut and pasted without checking first. Godawful mess. I couldn't get through it, and at least I knew what it said.
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I just can't help but be pissed that they ONCE AGAIN scraped the literary dreck from the bottom of a long dry well and gave us a yet another RIDICULOUSLY UNNECESSARY cheap emotional pop that offed YET ANOTHER well developed support character.
Just rename the f$%king thing the 'Jack Bauer Hour' already.
Complete garbage.
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"I even told Annie and Kiefer [Sutherland] that that’s where the story was going. What was their initial reaction when you told them? GORDON: They both got it" They may have "got it", but I highly doubt Annie liked it, but she had no choice but, to go along with it. Kiefer though, at that point, should've stepped in. I mean really stepped in and not turn to Annie and be all like "how's this sound to you?". Maybe if he wasn't preoccupied with the ramifications of drunken tomfoolery and whatnot, he would've actually gave a shit about his show, it's direction, and it's fans.
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Pardon the overuse of "but". Harry really needs to forget that iPad app and finally put a quick edit feature in on the talkbacks for god sakes.
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Can't even be bothered to give it the benefit of the doubt. 50 boring minutes followed by a kick in the teeth. Rack's death was one 'shock' death to many. Fuck it.
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Apr 13, 2010 7:06:39 PM CDT
Freckles should be cast as the lead in a kick-ass action show...
by arzbest
...Right Now!
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There certainly ain't any brains in there. Fucking steaming logs of shit. Howard Gordon, you suck. Your ideas suck. Your show has gone off the deep end one time too many.
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That cock-knocker.
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That's nowhere near 24's glory! NOWHERE!!!
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And that's it! Now I have to visit my psychiastrist again - and again - and again... DAMMIT!!! But I'll always be proud of the show "24" - that was! Once In A Lifetime...
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Hilarious.
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I really am! Besides angry! Besides feeling betrayed! Sorry!
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Have bought the other 7 seasons (AND Redemption!) - don't feel like buying the last one, though... ATM, that is...
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Kill off a popular character, and the venom flies! What's changed? This show has killed off a lot of popular characters for nothing more than shock value from the start. It's all part of the formula. The moles, the terrorists, the political intrigue, the security lapses, the nuke threats. Hell, I still say the last five or six episodes have been great, and certainly better than we got earlier this season, or the entire shitfest that was season six.
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The show started to really tank after they killed off so many strong characters in season 5. Why do they have to die exactly? Is it salary reasons?
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Annie Wersching told you not to? I didn't think so you FUCKING ASSHOLE!!Kiefer needs to go FUCK HIMSELF TOO for going along with Gordon!
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...i knew that as soon as her and Jack started to form a love relationship. anyone who didn't see that one coming a mile away hasn't been watching 24 for very long.my problem is that the way her death happened was just so cheap and... almost cartoonish. "ok guys, check this out! so they finally have sex for the first time. and then right after they're done... she gets shot! and then jack tries to save her but she dies!" "oh MAN! that's an incredible idea!!!" i mean... c'mon! this is like junior high school level writing here. it's just WAY too over the top to be believable. it's like a really crappy soap opera or something.why couldn't she get shot when they were leaving the apartment, or later in the season, or have her get kidnapped by the russians & then killed when Jack tries to rescue her, or anything else less maudlin than 'shot by sniper immediately after sex'? when i was watching this i was torn between the realism & emotion of keifers acting in the scene and the preposterousness of the whole situation. it's just way too much to accept. the desire for shock value & putting Jack in a certain place to advance the story just killed the whole suspension of disbelief for me.i knew there would be never be a happy ending for Jack. he is a tragic figure if ever there was one. but i think the way the writers handled this one just sucked.
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And therefore becoming the villain, trying to take down the Russians, and he will manage to kill them all, but then get captured.
The Chloe will find a way to release him, and he will go on the run, ....trying to put right what once went wrong, hoping that his next leap, will be the leap home... -
And that's exactly why it SHOULDN'T have happened. At this point, it's just ridiculous. I officially despise 24. The writers are just juvenile dicks.
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... that we're gonna get old school Jack back?
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I knew as soon as she eyed the EMT guy they were going to kill her off. That sucks, it would've been so much better to just have her in a coma or something. I mean it sucks that they killed such a great character!
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Fuck it right the fucking fuck off. Killing off in a fucking insulting, dismissive way the one character in the past few seasons that's made the show worth watching again is NOT A GOOD FUCKING MOVE. Season 7 worked so hard to introduce the character and make it work, and then this season just fucks it all up like no one involved even cares any more. If you HAVE to kill off a major, liked character, fine. But make sure the WRITING is there - make sure the send off is good. That was just fucking insulting. I really can't stand this fucking season.
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