"It's obvious that Clash of the Titans isn't the movie it's supposed to be. Watching the film - 2D or 3D - reveals a movie that's internally inconsistent and that bears all the hallmarks of something that's been tampered with and changed at the last minute. Trying to figure out what happened and to discover what the other Clash of the Titans could have been, I began doing some research and investigation. Probably the most interesting thing I learned is that there's a significantly different cut of the film in the vault. Louis Leterrier's original version of Clash of the Titans differs from what's playing in theaters in some fairly major ways, and while some of it could be restored for the DVD release, much of it would need extra FX work and would drastically change the plot of the film. Unlike last summer's Terminator Salvation, which got messed around with in the script stage and on set, Clash of the Titans was largely changed after principal photography through editing and some widely reported reshoots - all of which included Leterrier. It should go without saying that this article will contain spoilers for Clash of the Titans, so if you haven't seen the movie please stop reading now. The most drastic changes in the film come at the expense of the gods. Many watching the movie wonder why Danny Huston would have been hired to play Poseidon when he has almost absolutely nothing to do in the film; the answer is that nearly two thirds of the business with the gods was edited out of the film, and the very tenor of the god scenes was changed in fundamental ways."
April 9, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST
The fact that the 3D aspect was forced is evidence enough that the big wigs just wanted to shovel this out while the fad was still hot. Oh, and 1st post on the site and 1st on the article :P
April 9, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST
by Gogo Bananas
April 9, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST
And now this? Fuck sakes, what is his problem? He sure seems to enjoy getting pushed around by the studios, maybe for his next movie he should grow some balls, tell the studio to fuck itself and make the movie he wants to make.
April 9, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
right below Jane Fonda and Bears
April 9, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST
But studios frequently feel the need to interfere with the work these award winning employees do. It fucking makes no sense to me at all.
April 9, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST
by Angry Ghost
Or right, they all knew it was a piece of shit in it's current format and this was intentional. Then they decided that they'd 3D it as well for cinema release. Then out comes the theatrical version on all formats, then comes out the extended edition of "what they really wanted to release" and then if that does well enough on DVD sales, well they can just release the extended version in post production shitty 3D too. But of course, they wouldn't do anything like this purely for money now would they.
April 9, 2010, 5:54 a.m. CST
by Mr Nicholas
Between Hulk and this, he now has enough Box Office under his belt to tell studio execs to fuck right off on his next picture.
April 9, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST
Long story short, the producers/director/whomever presumed that their audience were assholes and couldn't handle too much plot complexity.<p> Happens a lot these days.
April 9, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST
why do studios keep re-editing and ruining movies over and over? why don't they just let the writers and directors make the movie they want to fucking make? do studios just plain hate directors and want to ruin their careers? do they love nothing more than ruining a movie and laughing as it still makes money? fucking assholes, they should all be round up in a theater and slaughtered Inglourious Basterds style, I'm serious too
April 9, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 6:07 a.m. CST
do they assume that all Americans must be mouth breathing retards? a lot of Americans may be stupid, but they're not THAT stupid, they can take a movie that's not been dumbed down and not have their heads explode, it's a "if you build, they will come" type thing
April 9, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST
if I was a director I would let the studio fuckheads taste my Irish temper if they tried to fuck with my movie, I guarantee they would think twice
April 9, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST
i wanna see it
April 9, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST
A) Think they know better than the creatives, and B) Think audiences are stupid. They at least have evidence of B).
April 9, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST
This guy is WAY too self-important. His articles are only slightly better than those on AICN (and that's pretty bad), and he has a very douchebag-y attitude. Faraci just likes to complain and shoot down others' work. He's not a real journalist--he's a hack.
April 9, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST
Well, then apparently, if you were a director, you'd be fired a lot. So how would that help your case?
April 9, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST
And still earning his chops. A studio is a business and the bottom line is always the bottom line. Unless he has final edit approval in his contract, he has to play ball with the suits. Its sad,but its fact. If he becomes the next Speilberg, then he can call the shots. til then he is just a hired gun.
April 9, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST
You'd be unceremoniously ushered off the lot, never to be heard from again. But, you know...think what you will.
April 9, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST
No thanks Quint, I could rather go to my local zoo, throw some paper into the baboon cage. I can be sure that I would get more insightful, objective, and mature comments/opinions on film that would actually have a shred of integrity to them....
April 9, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST
site has sunk to new depths ever since Quint/Hercules et al started running things, but fuck me, they really need to pimp the ramblings of the Perez Hilton of fandom?.....God, someone please restore this site's dignity....
April 9, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST
The man who loved Terminator Salvation and hated Avatar. <p> What an idiot.
April 9, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST
Been a long time. How goes it?
April 9, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST
It doesn;t really matter what state the script was in, they still hired a crap director to make it. There's no point in hiring a hack and then complaining about the end product.
April 9, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST
Need to see this now. Need to see a restored and improved movie...but the theatrical cut has made a lot of studio men happy; so much so they've requested a sequel. Well, since their gonna milk this franchise til it gives no more, they need to release a dir cut on dvd.
April 9, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST
and want to complain about it on the intertubez? oh my fucking god, this really IS breaking news!
April 9, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST
...maybe they should just eliminate the middle-men and write and direct these movies themselves?<p>Hint: It's because they're NOT as smart and creative as they think they are!
April 9, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST
Just like you Quint, for posting a link to the smeggy cunt
April 9, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST
It's true--this site's coverage quality HAS degenerated a LOT in recent years. Holy cow, it's gotten bad here. This site needs some actual writers, that's the problem.
April 9, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST
Just so I spent as little time as possibly reading that fucking shit format that is CHUD. Yes green on black is a ball on the eyes.
April 9, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST
than the version we got. I didn't totally hate the Clash we got but damn would it have been a great flick if it werent cut to shreds.
April 9, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST
ummm fan boy bitching. Like who outside of fan boys know fucking greek myth shit enough to give a shit? I haven't seen the cut so I don't fucking know. But it sounds like to me bother cuts would probably blow.
April 9, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST
It really doesn't matter who changed what when. Raiders of the Lost Ark underwent enormous changes during shooting. It' a messy process and assigning blame is a waste of time. The thing is, is, when any film is released and receives poor reviews, don't buy a ticket. That's how you send a message that you disapprove. Wait for the film to show up for free on cable.
April 9, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST
"I don't give a ** about the critics," the Aussie actor said on a promotional trip to Japan. He added: "The critics are the fans, the critics are the people who pay their 16 bucks to go and see your movie, we're doing quite successful there and that's all I make movies for. "I don't make movies for a stodgy 50-year-old who doesn't care." Clash of the Titans has been universally panned, with some saying Worthington's Avatar bubble has been well and truly burst.
April 9, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST
Wow, that original cut sounds miles more interesting than what was delivered (which, honestly, I still haven't seen yet).
April 9, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST
"Waaaah!! Someone didn't have the same bullshit religious experience that I did with the blue cat people! Therefore, he's a hack and a tard and a smeghead and we must all hate him and say as much as many, many times as possible!!" <p> What. The fuck. Ever. Avatards.
April 9, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
Harry's Avatar review was nothing but fanboy gushing. He started his review with "I love the story..." God help us. Faraci's points all hit the target. He wrote what most people were secretly thinking.
April 9, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
they got the movie out of the way<br> Now they're free to churn out some prequels
April 9, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST
As one who has experienced it from time to time, studios/distribs will always make their decisions based on revenue. They have to. I think every director understands this going in. It doesn't make it any easier to endure but its inevitable, especially when the budget and studio expectations are so high. And they make decisions based on how much money they have at stake. Exec careers depend on it. So its just the reality of filmmaking. That's why 've chosen to do purely indy films now in my old age. To avoid this aggravation and disappointment. I haven't seen Clash yet but I'm very excited to see it regardless of reactions. Especially as I am finishing my own sword and sorcery fantasy movie, Tales. I think someone mention the dumbing down of Clash. Well, I was faced with the same issue. These epic films (an ertasz one in my case), come with generally a lot of back story and plotting, so its always a challenge in how best to convey it. I decided with Tales was to avoid an intricate plot and downplay the saving of the universe stuff. Instead I choose to focus on character and emotion and let the characters emotional lives drive action and plot instead of a "if we don't stop the -- fill the blank -- the -- princess/kingdom/world/ -- will come to an end. I made the decision in Tales to poke a little fun at that sort of thing. This really was a result of the talkback reaction to the four clips from Tales posted on AICN last year. Like a studio, I did make drastic changes to Tales but it was done in conjunction with the filmmaker and the audience (the talkbackers) discussing the flaws and what was needed to improve (yes, nudity was involved) the film. The only purpose was to make a better film which doesn't always translate to a more commercial film. That's the advantage I have doing it pure indy. No budget for sure, but plenty of freedom (to shoot one's self in the foot). Albert www.albertpyunfilms.com www.talesofanancientempire.com
April 9, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST
Op-ed pieces and discussions about what went wrong behind the scenes on movies we were excited about. <p> This is a case where AICN could actually learn something from CHUD.
April 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST
You would have thought Hollywood would have been ready to give him carte blanch. What shame. I really love the hulk movie and can see the guy has talent.
April 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST
by The Reluctant Austinite
April 9, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
I guess I didn't go in with a lot of expectations of this movie, as I quite liked it. I didn't think the original was a masterpiece, so it's not as if I expected this to be either. But the only thing I found 'glaring' was the underuse of the Gods, for sure..so its interesting to hear so much was cut from that, and I would really like to see what those scenes contained.
April 9, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST
Thanks for them
April 9, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST
If he or another writer says something against the grain, someone might not be his "friend" anymore and there might be no more "pwesents." For God's sake, he even softballed Alice In Wonderland and Cop Out. COP OUT!
April 9, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST
officially review it. Someone on staff did comment in a talkback that they thought it was a piece of dried shit though. And they were right.
April 9, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST
What are you going on about?
April 9, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST
American audiences, I recall, made "Norbit" a hit. They also, in some quarters, deny evolution and have turned morons like Sarah Palin into millionaires. They drool in packs about "socialism" and "well-regulated" militas. But it's not just America, it's the world, baby. "Avatar" is a prime example of poor storytelling. And we all know how much dime it made on a global scale. Or in the words of Phil Connors: "People love blood sausage. People are stupid." Elitism is a good thing, if the alternative is stupidity.
April 9, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST
Was a suitable corrective for Ang Lee's plodding, Freudian rubbish.
April 9, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST
When they first proposed a remake of Clash of the Titans.
April 9, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST
Seems like a constant theme in Hollywood. And by that, i mean filmmakers (directors, producers, scriptwriters) selling themselves, their talent, their vision and their better ideas to vapid studio interference, blind commercialism, social cowardice and comité thinking. So, this movie is just a whole metaphor for today's Hollywood. Who knew? There's something actually profound about CLASH OF THE TITANS, after all.
April 9, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST
"If studio suits are as smart and creative as they think they are [...] ...maybe they should just eliminate the middle-men and write and direct these movies themselves?"<br><br>It's already happening. Look no futher then the cinema career of JJ Abrams, and to a lesser extent, Paul WS Anderson.
April 9, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST
That's the rest of the title of my post above.
April 9, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST
long time no see ya around here. What's happened, too much exposure to AVATAR knocked you cold for months? Welcome back, old boy.
April 9, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST
by Bouncy X
regarding this comment: "He can never set aside his personal opinion of the filmmaker when judging their work." ....maybe the guy should come work for AICN. lol
April 9, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
Not using contraception. <P>Faraci is still suffering under the yoke of humiliation engendered by Avatar's almost $2.7 billion gross, and it still continues to delight me (as well as the continued futile chest beasting of all other shafted Avatar haters).
April 9, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
Umbral_Shadow is Sansara07/Ash_Williams/Nerd Rage Retard Strength. Not that anyone should particularly care, but it is highly amusing that this troll has had to log in under four different handles in the past 6 months or so, in order to continue his butt-hurt tirades against Cameron and Avatar. I'll be watching, Umbral/Sansara07. You can't stay hidden, because you tip your trolling hand far too obviously each and every time. In fact, I think you just might be Faraci himself. Run along now, back to CHUD and your fawning disciples there.
April 9, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST
if what you are saying is true why did sam worthington slate the critics who attacked the film as stodgy?
April 9, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST
....The Notion of Studio Tampering devised by the "Creatives" to save face- following in the tradition of those poor souls still waiting for the true cuts of Highlander 2 and Joel Silver's Superman 2 hahaha. as the saying goes - "You cant polish a turd".
April 9, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
A disaster... made even worse for what it could have been.
April 9, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST
...but it keeps staring me in the face. So, I must ask, when did AICN start re-posting articles from CHUD? It gives me an icky feeling.
April 9, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST
...Sam Worthington. Very refreshing.
April 9, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST
couple scenes were out of nowhere and incongruous, like suddenly he's walking and Liam Neeson is a few feet away in a robe-- that appeared out of nowhere. fail
April 9, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST
2nd guessing where he has to reshoot 1/2 the damn movie.
April 9, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST
...because the 'creative' producers will just look at the revenue and say "more of the same please" and probably "let's shoot in 3D proper!"
April 9, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST
As a kid of the 80's who loved the original, I wouldn't have minded a scene for scene remake, with better effects (obviously). Yes, I'm saying they should leave in the vulture and Bubo.
April 9, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST
CHUD is the worst site for everything. They hate everyone and everything.
April 9, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST
when they covered that article on sam said. I dont know where the truth lies. I will have to go to it i guess.
April 9, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST
career might be in trouble.
April 9, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Uhhhh....okayyyy. <p> Watched the original lately? Jesus.
April 9, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST
You can if you freeze it.
April 9, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST
I hear what you're saying about the system and that's how it is. After all, the real puppet masters are the coprorate owners of the studios not the studio execs themselves but, isn't there another way to get your way in this system? I'm talking about writing and directing your own story not based on a franchise that the studio owns. It seems to me if they buy a property and give it to a director, that filmmaker is now beholden to the studio since the execs hand it over with many of there own pre-conceived notions and just seem to need the director to "flesh it out". But, i'm thinking; if you're able to push your own concept through (and I think this is starting to happen. Witness District 9, Moon) they tend to back off because they don't understand something they can't compare to a comic, book, original film, etc. Also, I guess i'm an optomist becasue i think film culture is cyclical and I think we're comming back around again to how things were in the late 60's/early 70's. The studios (no matter what they say) are losing revenue or at least, not making nearly as much money as they could be. I think, in another few years they're going to throw up there hands in bafflement and start giving the creatives a little more freedom. Call me crazy but I say the clock is ticking for this kind of bullshit.
April 9, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST
and Hollywood suits should start pitching bad-ass novels or comic properties that should be made into films
April 9, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST
We saw it a few nights ago and came out scratching our heads, trying to find SOMETHING redeemable but not having much luck. When we were heading home, I said to him, "The director's cut is going to be better than this. It HAS to be." Leterrier has to be pissed for the hack job the studio made out of the film we see. When his cut comes out, I'm sure he's going to put it out saying, "The version you NEVER saw!" Let's cross our fingers and hope for the best. Cuz what we got thrown on us...not so much.
April 9, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST
I hope you're right about this shit coming to an end. I feel like we get such huge SWINGS in quality now... it seems like movies are either great or they're fucking atrocious. But also remember that District 9 (and Moon too, I think) were financed independently. I believe Blomkamp, who could probably get any budget he wants on his next film, is going the indie financing route again. Now what does that say about the studio system? Jackson protected him and let him make the movie he wanted to make. The kind of thing Spielberg once did for young guys and even Lucas (with Body Heat and Mishima). Not a lot of powerful guys doing that anymore.<p>And speaking of pre-existing properties and standing up to the studio dickwads, how is that Nolan can make EXACTLY the kind of Batman movie he wants to make? I get the impression that that guy is given Kubrickian/Eastwood levels of control over everything, including how every single cent on the movie is spent. I'm sure at least part of it has to do with a certain attitude when dealing with them... like, "Ahh-ha... that's a funny note you just gave me about the batsuit... now the adults are going to talk, you should leave." Very cut and dry... you hired me to do it the way I want and that's the way it's gonna be done. <p>Quentin Tarantino once said this about Harvey Weinstein and that the reason so many filmmakers got shit on is because they have zero testicular fortitude in standing up to the guy, whereas in the 70's, directors would either be positively machiavellian (Lucas), smack the shit out of people who got in their way (Friedkin), or just smash telephones and throw shit (Scorsese and Coppola). Going back again to Weinstein, there are some backstage stories on Gangs of New York that Scorsese went absolutely fucking apeshit on him, destroying his office in fits of rage... and hearing Harvey's reaction is like a tamed pussycat... "For me, the scene isn't working, but he's 'IL Maestro', the great Scorsese'... yeah, that's fucking right you fat piece of monkey shit, now stuff a gasoline soaked rag down your gullet and light it on fire... we need a firelight for the next scene.
April 10, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST
... from the original script. I'm not saying that what Leterrier originally shot would be a good movie. but a really talented director coyuld pull off a really god smart and exciting movie from the original script. As for what the movie became and as presented on the screens, i doubt anybody could make much of it.
April 10, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST
April 10, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST
by The Founder
This movie got by on Eye Candy, the original, and slapping 3D on at the last min. I'll give that it had some decent action sequinces, and the Kraken was sweet to me, although it would've been great with today's fx to see him do more. One would think a movie called Clash of the Titans would actually have some Titans clash. Would've been nice to see the flashback scene when it was mentioned "here is where the Kraken defeated the Titans". This movie was let down. I'm not sure what direction they were trying to go in. If this flick is number 1 again Hollywood will still blunder ahead with mediocrity. The thought of a second one with the same creative team thinking eveything turned out fine with the first just makes me sad. These people will never learn cause as lomng as they make money off of medicrity they will continue to say we know best and lets alter original source material as we see fit.
April 10, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST
by The Founder
Well I did and I never bothered to look it up.
April 10, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST
seriously I dont understand the hate. I thought it was a pretty solid flick. By no means perfect but much better than a turd like wolfman which some people on here had orgasms over despite it being pants. I would have preferred the villanous Zeus version too but overall I found Clash pretty decent. Some people like Harry were lauding the original, but I watched it a few weeks back and it really is naff. Look at this version and it's solid, Worthingon is much more believable as both a fisherman and a hero than Harry Hamlin who looked like he had just been to a hair stylist before each days shoot. His companions had decent personalities and you actually felt saddened by their demises. The original had female nudity and nothing much else that was actually better.
April 10, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST
... at least the title CLASH OF THE TITANS would be more apt. On accoutnthat the gods would be figthing each other in palacian intrigue, they would be CLASHING. Yes, tecnically, they are gods not titants, but at least the title wouldn't be as misplaced as in the final version we got in the theaters, would it?
April 10, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST
and how you justify the main character who spends the whole movie beign morosed to the gods, specially Zeus, wanting nothing form him, and in the end he gets the girl back and accepts? Now it's convinient to get gifts from dad? Ever heard of character consistency? Had Perseus being consistent, he would had refused even bringing his girl back from the dead gift. Instead, he's corrupted. I hate to agree with Feraci on this,but he's right, inthe end, this is a movie that sells his ass to the man. A hero for today's world, i guess.
April 10, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST
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April 10, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST
If it was, we know the true culprits behind the edits.
April 10, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST
by Henry Fool
April 10, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST
I have just been busy, and after the whole whiny fanboy thing with Avatar which imho (given the mass success of it) just shows how insular and cynical fandom has become, I really dont have the time or care to debate/engage in conversation with ignorant morons that hate things months before they see it,have some weird personal jihad against the filmakers, or constantly try their damndest to find something (no matter how specious) to prove their point. And finally, after how some cunts like nerdrage/transformers apologist et al were proven so completely and utterly wrong regarding the success and impact of Avatar, but yet still wont cop to it, I just feel like I needed a long break from AICN talkback. And what happens when I check in? The scribblings of the Perez Hilton of fandom are being pimped on this site. Glad I dont come here all that much anymore.
April 10, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST
said his review of Avatar was dead on, uumm...what review? He never reviewed, and I wonder why? Maybe after months of childish, obnoxious ranting and raving about it (long before anyone had even seen a frame of footage) due to his persoanl jihad against Cameron, maybe even the bloated egomaniac realized that a "review" from him would be utterly ridicolous. And dont tell me he was right about Avatar when he gave that insult to the terminator films (Salvation) 4 stars, and that pos Gijoe 8.5/10. YeaH, Im sure those films moved him...to a bigger house. He is a far bigger sell out and whore than even Harry could ever be....