April 9, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST
by Horace Cox
Or perhaps necrophilia?
April 9, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST
This should be an interesting talkback.
April 9, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST
Am I right? And how does this compare to The Human Centipede?
April 9, 2010, 1:30 a.m. CST
If the rumors are true he doesn't commit necrophilia, but rather he has sex with a baby.
April 9, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST
Dear God, why would...you make a movie...about that...argh...
April 9, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
Supposedly he rapes a newborn to death. Yep. High art that. Also heard he receives fellatio from a woman who has just had her teeth violently knocked out. I guess I saw enough during my three tours of Iraq to pass on this.
April 9, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST
You can be brilliant without resorting to "SHOCK!" people, it's up to the film makers, if they go for some kind of extreme they gotta deal with the consequences. No distributor wants to lose money on something that will only apeal to cineastes & sickos. And the concerned-members-of-the-community protests only makes their decision easier.
April 9, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST
The film would be amazing with or without the most intense shots. The acting, story-telling and cinema is far more lasting than the most shocking imagery. Which frankly was nowhere near as shocking as I was led to believe.
April 9, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST
The trailer does indeed look very slick and well-photographed, not sure how the actual movie will play out. I thought Inside was highly overrated and it didn't gross me out at all, while Martyrs was a little rough but I dug the metaphysical ending.
April 9, 2010, 2 a.m. CST
along with what would be a fairly amazing behind the scenes. At least from what I've heard.
April 9, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
Also heard he had sex with an eye socket until the person dies. I guess the point is to see how many offensive places can he place his genitals then try to top that. Can't wait for the sequel. This sh!t writes itself!!!
April 9, 2010, 2:09 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
...you must f*ck death through the gallbladder." That's about the only thing I remember from "Andy Warhol's Frankenstein". Maybe we'll see that next.
April 9, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST
they always play this terrible rave-y song that samples some clip from a movie(?) where a guy keeps going "I'll (something something) and SKULL FUCK YOU!" and the DJ keeps looping it "SKULL FUCK YOU, SKULL FUCK YOU, SKULL FUCK YOU." Makes me think of this movie!
April 9, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST
Once they get away with foul mouthed 12 year olds in super-hero movies, next thing you know they're bangin' babies.<br><br>Told ya, told ya, told ya.
April 9, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST
That's fucking twisted. No one will pay to see that shit.
April 9, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST
know no bounds, Harry?
April 9, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST
Expect to win the Palme d'Or in the Cannes Festival.Those fagots frenchies love this kind of shit.ask Polanski to tell you.
April 9, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST
which is going to laugh really hard with this movie.I was laughing with Irreversible,i was laughing with Ichi,Oldboy,Hostel,Antichrist and so on.Serbian Film seems to be the king of comedies for me,so i cant wait.
April 9, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST
No, the lead character does not fuck a baby.
April 9, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST
I have read just about every review of this film that is available on the internet, ranging from the glowingly positive to the howlingly negative, and I have seen the extremely graphic trailer (which certainly indicates that SOMETHING horrible happens to a baby in this movie, in that it shows a shot of the head of a newborn baby emerging from a mother's vagina), and from everything I can gather, this film does indeed depict the main character raping a newborn baby. Now I don't know if your denial of the baby rape is semantic (e.g: Does he fuck a baby, or are we only lead to believe that he fucks a baby?), literal (e.g.: He doesn't fuck a baby, it's a special effect), if it is straight up disingenuous, or if you have a different strain of argument for why what appears to be happening on screen (newborn baby rape) is not actually happening in the movie, but I can say with absolute certainty that a LOT of people who watched the film do indeed say that a newborn baby gets raped in this film, which makes your categorical denial of this seem odd.
April 9, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST
I looked it up and indeed there are a lot of people who have seen the movie and say that a baby is being rapped to death.Thats a fact.The only thing i cant undestand is how exactly is this scene depicted in the movie? thats what i am curious to find about.<br /><p>Harry is it possible that somehow the film you watched does not contain this scene?
April 9, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST
by spud mcspud
...Of movie for people who want everyone around them to think they're badass because they can sit through some sick shit seemingly unaffected. And from every synopsis I've seen except for Harry's, the lead character fucks a newborn baby (with the cord still attached) amongst other sick shit.<P> If you're the kind of guy who laughed at HOSTEL and DEVIL'S REJECTS and thinks that being able to laugh at OLDBOY somehow makes you cool, have at it. But trying to put some kind of artistic integrity argument into making this movie - and I've no doubt there's SOME merit to the way this movie is made, just as you can't just write off MARTYRS as just some talentless torture porn movie. But I don't care how artistic, deserving of merit or well-made a movie is, or how well it uses its depravity to mirror the situation in Serbia over the last few years - for fuck's sake, FUCKING A NEW BORN BABY IS JUST SICK SHIT. There's NO way that can be justified in a movie. <P> Harry, for your sake, I hope you saw the censored version. Because I never, NEVER want to have to sit through a movie where some sick bastard does that, simulated or not. No amount of semiotic argument is gonna justify it, either. And I'd hope most people feel the same. (Well, except for those who think they're badass because they laughed at OLDBOY, etc etc)...
April 9, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST
When the electronic stuff kicks in....Anyone know who that is or where one can find it?
April 9, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST
Another movie on my anticipated movies to watch list...
April 9, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
I've seen the trailer and from what I've read here and in other reviews, it just sounds like some sick guy's idea of making a "thought provoking" movie. Give me the premise to any movie from Chan-wook Park's vengeance trilogy and I'm intrigued because it has an interesting story and characters. The violence is secondary to all that. This just sounds like some douche wanted to get some points across and thought that extreme acts of violence were the only way he could do it. In short, it seems like the movie relies more on shock value (I can't believe he just did that!!!) than an interesting story.
April 9, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST
...didnt say that there was no newborn rape in the film, he only said that THE LEAD character doesnt rape it. I thought that was clear.
April 9, 2010, 7:03 a.m. CST
Im sure of it!! I migth go on such a list in the US just for posting on this talkback....
April 9, 2010, 7:03 a.m. CST
that has increasingly made me not respect your opinion of film. I'm sorry but there are certain lines that should NEVER be crossed and from what I've read online, this film not only crosses them but does a fucking flying leap. Since when does "art" get a free pass on ethics and morality?
April 9, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST
'Serbian Film' is filled with brutal violence, explicit sex,and a degree of bleakness and nihilism not seen since the days of 'High School Musical. I must see this now.....
April 9, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST
is a bit like drinking alcohol. The more you get, the more you like it. Up until a certain point where you feel sick and want to go home and detox. This movie sounds like the equivalent of downing a bottle of vodka in a couple of minutes. All in all it’s a really cheap way of forcing the audience in some kind of emotional state. Only the good ones get away with it (Von Trier, Chan-wook Park), others just expose themselves as untalented hacks. So that’s basically what Bruce of all Trades says I guess.
April 9, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST
by Six Demon Bag
April 9, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST
by Ashen Shugar
And the worse is that apparently this was made by talented people. wtf???
April 9, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST
by Mr Nicholas
April 9, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST
This movie is no more "brilliant" than was Saw, Hoste or Martyrs. The only advantage they took was to make it "Torture Porn" in a literal sense. Paul Schrader would have written this at the height of his powers? C'mon. The only rerason this movie exists is for shock value. Schrader explored the minds of his protagonists and their social backgrounds, he never cared about exploiting gruesome acts of sex and violence. This is just another terror movie who tries to push the envelope and ends up flat.
April 9, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST
When studios are scrambling to appeal to the lowest common denominator (ie. tacking on "3D" for the sake of "3D", because it's so damn shiny) I just don't see too many theater owners going out on a limb to display a movie that might alienate the ticketbuyers. <P> Besides, this sounds like a movie that one might have to take a break from in the middle, if it's as extreme as Harry says. <P> This movie is on my radar, and hopefully the kind folks here at AICN will keep us informed of its video release. But I DO NOT expect to be able to see this in theaters.
April 9, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST
if that even allegorically happens in this film then it is beyond reprehensible. Harry needs to explain how his viewing of the film differs from that of others, in terms of whether or not baby rape is depicted. <P> If there is baby rape and Harry implicitly denies the film has such a scene, well my respect for Harry will have completely gone out the window.<P> Believe it or not, most people aren't down for that type of shit.
April 9, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST
i mean seriously, throw all sorts of shit on screen but a baby rape scene is stepping over a line into pedo territory for me and just smacks of what’s the most outrageous scene we could possibly do.. next harry you'll be recommending some obscure torture porn flick and calling it wild cause some dudes have sex with kids then kill them... i was looking forward to this movie but even i have my limits
April 9, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST
Thanks for throwing that in there, Harry...now I KNOW I won't waste my time on this.<p> These are just the cinematic equivalent of those lame, !!!PROVOCATIVE!!! artists who do dopey shit like put a crucifix in a vat of piss or paint the Virgin Mary with elephant shit. A good artist (like Schrader or Fincher) can create a sense of unease and tension without these "Look at me!" antics. Hiding behind the term "art" doesn't make self-indulgence any more bearable.
April 9, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
I'm even more convinced that this movie was made for the sake of torture porn. I can understand it being well shot (which you can definitely tell from looking at the trailer) and well acted, but the impression I got was that the people who are killed or have acts of extreme violence inflicted on them to make the snuff movie within this film are random people that are just brought into the movie without any build-up whatsoever. Their characters serve no purpose than to be killed or tortured. That is not at all the case with a movie like 'Oldboy', where every character served a certain purpose. There were relationships that made sense between all those developed characters and they worked with the plot of the movie. I may be wrong about 'A Serbian Film', but by looking at the trailer and from reading people's opinions on it I don't get the impression that I am. If my speculations turn out to be true, than the comparison to 'Oldboy' is just ludicrous.
April 9, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST
<p>...I like how cleverly you worded the one statement: "THE LEAD DOES NOT FUCK A BABY". You, of all people, know how cleverly worded that is....shame on you for it.</p> <p>In supporting this fim, you have literally allied yourself with the abyss of moral disregard; these filmmakers are shit and are now trying to claim "social relevance" by saying the lead character is a metaphor for the state of Serbia. You of all people should be able to see how shameful and disingenuous that is.</p> <p> I'd be curious what your wife thinks of the film. I challenge you to have her sit through it, write a review and defend it's value as cinema...or at it's most cynically base, "art".</p> <p> Shame on you, Harry, You've single-handedly lessened the credibility and dignity of AICN today (and dignity was in short supply here to begin with). Shame on you.</p>
April 9, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
Sounds like a tag line for a George Lucas film or something...
April 9, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
I'm tired of having walls of text appear in my posts.
April 9, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
...reminds me of breathless kids whispering about FACES OF DEATH back in the day...
April 9, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST
Like after AND CUT! they put the baby down and all had a laugh about it afterward? Or was it all just weird and everyone not looking at each other?
April 9, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST
...remove the spaces around P and breaks shall be yours.<P> < P > is invisible, but gives us clarity.< P > lives in the spaces between our thoughts.
April 9, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST
Will pick this up, and probably show it on their channel. <P> Also I think I've seen Demonlover and I remember it being just awful. Like not awful because it was fucked up, just boring? I don't know I just don't remember shit about it, probably means it sucked.
April 9, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST
to Serbian Movie's yang. Team Yin.
April 9, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST
THIS IS A MOVIE NO THEATER WILL SHOW!!! Blah blah...yet it was shown in Texas? Granted its Austin, but still Texas none the less. It'll be seen in DC/NY/LA no problem, and a bunch of others.
April 9, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
April 9, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST
It would break hers to know I watched irredeemable filth like this. This world is already on a crash course with hell - if one defines hell as the destruction of humanity's moral fiber. Why help it along? What is the purpose of this movie if not to further desensitize us to horrors visited upon man by man? It's too easy to sell something like this under the guise of 'social relevance' or 'artistic commentary'. It takes a little more work to see through the smokescreen and find the truth - that it's just plain shock and exploitation, and it's plainly harmful.
April 9, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST
... that pro-quality filmmaking equipment has become so readily affordable and available that any fuckwit out to shock and push the envelope further than is either necessary or needed - and masquerade it as "art" or some "bold statement" - can commit this shit to film. But it's okay kids, cos the borderline snuff and simulated peadophilia/infanticide is shot and lit nicely. And we all know Harryis hardly a fucking litmus test of cinematic quality.
April 9, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST
Tom: you, uhm...you fucked a baby?<P> Summer: yeah...crazy, huh?
April 9, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST
...from having a baby in the first place...<P> ...if you think about it.<P> And you probably shouldn't think about it.
April 9, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST
Food Revolution and I was struck by his approach to kids. He has a genuine concern about their welfare. He is nurturing and understanding. He is also patient. There's one kid in particular who had a troubled childhood and was prone to violence. Within days of knowing Jamie he completely embraced work and a change for the better. My point is, it's one thing to exploit and portray the worst about people. It's another to confront that with what is best about humanity, to inspire and change people for the better.
April 9, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST
...in this film you dont actually SEE IT happening. Its clearly suggested, but its not REALLY there. I bet that all of you talkbackers see it in yer heads waaaay more graphic than it really is in the film.
April 9, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
...a baby rape movie, Jamie Oliver should quietly take them aside and persuade them to make a lesbian nun movie instead.
April 9, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
Is still some sick fucking shit.
April 9, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST
While I haven't seen the film (and at this point, doubt I ever shall), I can almost guarantee that the one thing NOT SHOWN in all of the supposed depravity is a full-on shot of an erect penis. No way, no how. That's the one taboo that filmmakers today can't seem to shake. Show a boner for even a split second and suddenly you've made *egad!* PORN. Not only do I sense the transgressive nature of the film being overblown to a laughable extent, but I'm almost positive that I'm right about the squeamishness even these filmmakers will have for showing an aroused human male. And hey, if I'm wrong, how will I ever know? Like I said, I doubt there will come a day when I'll actually be so starved for entertainment that I'd need to watch this thing.
April 9, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST
...or is this just a FOX NEWS special...
April 9, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST
...before she gave birth to a perfectly healthy and happy baby.
April 9, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST
And believe you me, I've spent half my wage on aphrodisiacs and viagra, and vegetables still don't do it for me. Babies? I guess they're born with the sucking mechanism, but I may as well have sex with a vacuum cleaner. Not feeling it.<p> By the way, if this is a spoof of Serbian movies a la Scary Movie & Epic Movie, remind me NEVER to watch the movies it's spoofing.
April 9, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST
there are actually two or three shots of an erect penis in the film, but used in an unorthodox way-not as a fucktool, but as a straight-out weapon of sorts. As for a baby scene, i thought it was handled in a very unusual way-it was actually a film-within-a-film that the characters are watching-almost as that snuff in Schraders HARDCORE, or even 8MM...to me, some things in CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST are infinitely more graphic than anything in this film.
April 9, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST
Ok, fine. But it's those shots of the erect penis that will lose the film distribution in the U.S. - NOT the other sick shit. Americans just go bugfuck insane when their "entertainment" is interrupted by male genitalia. Never fucking fails.
April 9, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST
How having a child changes your perspective on things. I have a beautiful 15 month old daughter, and just the thought of anything like that happening to a baby just makes my stomach hurt. It's just wrong. It certainly ain't "art".
April 9, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
I am SURE this movie is garbage, and so Harry's "support" for this is very telling.
April 9, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST
I was kinda disgusted before I heard that it only appears in a Videodrome context. And at least I finally have a way of taking that Aristocrats joke farther than anyone else.
April 9, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST
This plays almost like a balkanian sequel to Videodrome...like some fictional figures in a serbian government mistook Cronenbergs film for a documentary, and then formed an organization similar to Spectacular Optical in that film....
April 9, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
There's no fucking way I'm going to watch this movie.
April 9, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q23FeU89ULE&feature=related looks great. If you can watch SAW 1- 13 you should be able to see this i think. I will..... WILL YOU? (points finger)
April 9, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
My twin girls turn 1 year old next week. My GOD, I've already decided this movie is an abomination based on what's being said in this talk back. I'm fucking nauseated and the makers of this garbage would be happy to know that. Damn, Harry, I don't know what to say to you . . .
April 9, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST
I know its off topic ,but its true. The day he passed the licence exam (i forget what its called in england, basicly certifies you as a chef) he had a show waiting. He makes it seem like hes doing it on the spot, but the credids show 7 food consultants. I saw him working once in "his" restaurant and the turd started crying. he went in the walk-in fridge and sobbed. I hate fucking chefs who start crying at work. ....that bitch can´t take the pressure of working as a chef day in,and day out .....At least Gordon Ramsey worked for a good twenty years before becoming a "tv chef"....GOD I HATE TV CHEFS!!! what were we talking about? oh yes.. SNUFF..... bring it!!!!!
April 9, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST
he would reduce the crew of this film to tears
April 9, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST
"The film would be amazing with or without the most intense shots." Exactly! Then why show it at all? It's not necessary to show this trash to get your message across. Especially a political one. "Artistic expression" is nothing more than an excuse to give some perv the chance to play out his sick imaginings on screen. Uncalled for.
April 9, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST
by Dave I
So allegedly *spoiler?* the main character doesn't rape a baby to death, but it apparently does happen in the movie? I am still not likely to find it more palatable just because our "hero" does not do the most horrible thing imaginable, but a villain does it. The fact is this atrocity is still in the movie from what I've read. If it is not, then it's a non-point. Still, that seemed a shallow denial since SOMEBODY apparently does.<p><p>On the one hand, I'm intrigued in that it is always interesting to me when people push the envelope (how far/bad/etc. can it possibly be?). On the other hand, I have seen a couple of scenes in Hostel, and the first Saw, and really just need to face it that these things are not for me. The premise of Saw was interesting, and Hostel makes its point, but really seeing people get tortured a/o killed in horrible ways is not for me. So I prefer suspense ala. Silence of the Lambs or Se7en even if I do get the point Hostel is making. But somebody raping a newborn baby to death? I think there are a lot of things I'd rather do than watch that (arguably the most horrible and evil thing you can think of to do, period) for entertainment.<p><p>-Cheers
April 9, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
It's just the natural progression. They love abortion and hate babies. They also love deviant sex and depraved "art". (Piss Christ anyone?). The later the abortion, the better. The ultimate late term, full birth except placenta abotion through a sex act is the ultimate expression of the Pro Choice movement. This is probably required viewing at Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. This is awesome! Life begins after delivery of the placenta now!
April 9, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST
raping a newborn baby to death.
April 9, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST
Well, in that case, buy me a ticket!
April 9, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
I'm all for art and freedom of expression but jeez this is some repugnant shit. Some things don't need to be represented in order to test reactions. <P> This is the type of Horror film that gives Horror films a bad name. Because this shit could actually happen. <P> I hope the main character's motivation in this movie isn't just money, maybe he has to save his wife and kids? <P> At the very least this movie should spake discussion. I guess that's a good thing.
April 9, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST
Can anyone knock a movie without seeing it? I'm intrigued...I'll take a look. I heard the same shit about Irreversible, and I loved it.
April 9, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST
the way you tried to trick your audience who, heaven forbid, might actually not be into a movie with a scene of a baby being raped to death, into thinking that scene isn't in the movie. I get you were being snarky and all, but not everyone is as desensitized to that shit as you. Say a few people read your comment and thought, "Yeah, this sounds like a fucked up and hella cool Eastern European Videodrome." Then they see footage of...well, you know what. Think about your responsibility, man!<p> According to IMDB, other scenes include:"- a woman has her teeth pulled out and is forced to perform fellatio on a man with her bloodied mouth until she chokes to death on her own blood"" and "there's also a scene of someone getting *beep* to death in the eye socket."<p> Hmm, maybe I'll take a raincheck on this one. Call it, "A dark allegory of how fucked up people are" all you want. It's shock treatment for disaffected people who need to see the most dour shit imaginable in order to feel anything. I'm not saying this shouldn't have a right to be made, but I think anyone who finds themselves drawn to this kind of material owes it to themselves to ask why.
April 9, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST
The story for this movie is just complete nonsense. The writer had a good middle/end but didn't have a way to get the people in this situation to where it made any sense...and that's a killer for me. I won't see it.
April 9, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST
is how people could even compare a movie like Oldboy and Inside/Martyrs. That's what I don't like about all these "shock films" being lumped together. Oldboy is a story that's artistically and thoughtfully told, despite the violence contained within. Inside was pure b-movie, shocking for the sake of shock, and the script was full of implausibilities. Martyrs was decent, I'll admit, but the director's pre-movie commentary (that is NOT optional to watch on the DVD) revealed the guy to be a total stereotype of a pretentious French douchebag director.
April 9, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST
Don't give me that whole artsy-fartsy bullshit excuse. There is no story that demands this kind of sick brutality for it to work. For you to cry about how "sad" it is that it will get cut down is completely pathetic. What, so torture and baby rape are absolutely integral to the characters and storyline? No, they're just thrown in so morons like you will talk about it and get people to see a movie that otherwise, no-one would ever have even heard of. Its torture porn, plain and simple.
April 9, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
Maybe we're all wrong in the way we've interpreted this and the violence is more implied than actually shown. (still, the trailer sure fucking makes it look like it's shown) <p>So maybe it isn't so fucked up, but in that case, shouldn't Harry have clarified some of it. All he does is sum up the basic premise in a couple of sentences and then goes on to talk about how brilliant the movie is without actually explaining why. Why not just throw a spoiler warning in the article's title and give a detailed description of what he's talking about. Are these possible spoilers integral to the plot? Maybe that way the comparison to Oldboy actually makes sense.
April 9, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST
Well, at least not a scene for scene remake.....
April 9, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . Doesn't need to say another word. Unfortunately, unlike with his amazon links, the fucktard deviants who go see this because of this article can't be tracked.
April 9, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST
There may be another reason for why Harry is playing coy with this. Child pornography laws have been altered in recent years so that it in addition to actual child pornography being illegal, acts that only LOOK like child pornography (but which are actually simulated) are in many cases also be illegal. Put another way, given that A Serbian Film shows the graphic homicidal rape of a newborn baby, the screening of the movie at the Alamo might very well have been against the law on child pornography grounds.
April 9, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST
<p>...no seriously man, fuck yourself.</p> <p>Here's YOUR quote:<p> <p>"A film that frankly is very very accomplished. A distributor that understands the value of getting it shut down in a few intolerant communities – in order to sell the film in the liberal godless markets in this widely diverse country of ours. This is a film to wake the ire of the right, and bring down the awesome of those that support the arts."</p> <p>You've moved from being a sub-average writer with decreasing relevance and a site right out of 1997, to actually interjecting your skewed politics into the seeping bias you call a review. You're now supporting a pseudo-snuff film because it makes you feel emboldened somehow? Is that the point you're making? I never thought I'd say this about you (you of all people), but you're an intolerant, pretentious bore. Good fucking riddance.</p>
April 9, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST
harry (who i rarely defend) is not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. the talkbackers were saying that the main character rapes a newborn to death, he clarified that it wasnt the main character. <p> you guys make it seem like he's aligned with the filmmakers in some conspiracy to make you watch something you don't want to watch. all in some grand scheme to make money (which this movie won't make in the united states). <p> i've seen serbian film, and it was a hard pill to swallow, but it was well made. no argument there. just like gaspar noe's irriversible was very well made, but at no where in his reviews for either of those movies did he say EVERYONE should run out and see this films. he prefaced it up front that these are not for everyone. <p> but whats most disconcerting here is that so many of you are acting as if this film has no right to be seen or released. are you all members of the religious right? do you favor censorship? it's all a special effect. no child was raped. no teeth were knocked out. there is no crazed porn auteur forcing anyone to fuck for his life. it's a movie. this is a case of the fringe and the avante garde getting some publicity. this type of film has always been here, its just this is one of the first times that someone with real, genuine talent has made something so volatile and disturbing. <p> this film is not for everyone. but i suppose these talkbacks are for everyone because everyone's opinion is boldly placed right there on my screen. point is, don't talk shit unless you know the facts. if you don't want to see the movie, don't see the movie. hell, say so on here. but to attack a reviewer and the film being reviewed as some sort of social injustice being sold by the creepy man behind the computer, well you're just blindly fucking wrong. <p> i couldn't give a fuck if you sit around and call harry names and poke fun at his weight, but atleast here he's doing his job and telling you his opinion about a film he saw. And atleast he sat on the review for a couple of weeks and let it process as opposed to what most online reviewers did who rushed back to their laptops after SXSW and ramped up the hype to fever pitch levels without really trying to understand what the hell the movie was even trying to accomplish (and here's a hint, it wasn't trying to make the innocent watch babies get fucked to death).
April 9, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
<p>Because your central statement is proven false by Harry's statement...AND I QUOTE:</p> <p>"SERBIAN FILM demands to be seen by folks like you that read this site, this is a film that deserves that same kind of demand it support that got PARANORMAL ACTIVITY going...</p> <p>So, Harry is INDEED saying this is a film people on his site should see...and as for not pulling the wool over people's eyes, he absolutely and knowingly used semantics to disguise one of the most unpleasant aspects of the film in a cleverly and carefully worded statement that was, yes, both truthful and also COMPLETELY disingenuous at the same time.</p> <p>It's wonderful to know you saw this early...good for you. But to act as if anyone being disgusted by a reviewer's support of this film renders THEIR opinion flawed (or 'moot' because they're probably "the religious right) proves that you're both ignorant and an intolerant cunt. Done with you.</p>
April 9, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST
The super-liberal dream made cinematic reality. Morals don't exist, boundaries don't exist, basic humanity doesn't exist. But it is ok because it is "art". While mainstream movie goers will be watching an 11 year-old murder people(well not that many people will as Kick-Ass will probably gross around 35 million) the true cinema goers will be watching an infant fucked to death due to the courage and insight of these film makers. Go fuck yourself Harry, you are a truly terrible and disgusting person.
April 9, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST
The suggestion that because someone is a)liberal, b)pro-choice, and c)interested in seeing this film, means that they are also d)totally in favor of the literal rape/murder of a newborn infant (not to be confused with the cinematic depiction of such as an expression of outrage at being figuratively fucked by your country your entire life) is deplorable and insulting. Pro-choice is NOT the same thing as pro-abortion. It pains and horrifies me that people who claim the moral high ground in a discussion like this can actually, seriously think that those two things are interchangeable. How dare you?!
April 9, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST
Fuck you both for bringing Left/Right politics into this. It's because of simple minded Palinbots like you no one can meet in the middle anymore. Anything and everything has to be fit into partisan terms. I have no doubt you can't even recognize how this movie plays to your violence prone 'side'. Ultimate violence is the holy grail for the Right, you betcha. If there's anything I hate more than baby rape it's fuckers like you.
April 9, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST
whole peoples on a whim, I find their concern about one baby to be total hypocrisy. As usual.
April 9, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST
That may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. And that includes TimeCube.
April 9, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST
You honestly think people were concerned whether it was the main character who did the raping or the janitor? It was shucking the readers into thinking it wasn't in the movie that was irresponsible on Harry's part. Not everyone's built to watch movies like this. I can handle them, personally, though I generally choose to avoid this whole facet of film. But I think it's important to emphasize some of the shocking scenes that appear in the movie just in case a few of the AICN audience went to see it and find themselves seeing something they can't handle. Spoilers be damned in this instance. Until I read the talkback- which is something not all readers do- I finished this review thinking Serbian Film was going to be a sort of neo-noir; a Taxi Driver for the 21st century... Not an Ilsa, Shewolf of the SS for the 21st century.
April 9, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
... And the Libs freak! I love calling them out and watching their ire get the better of them to prove my point. I never killed anyone who wasn't trying to kill me.
April 9, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST
by Seth Brundle
Still my top shocking movie of all time, because its not a movie, its a real footage documentary, and yeah i laughed at stuff like ichi the killer, american underground, guinea pig and irreversible etc if you wanna get REALLY FUCKIN SHOCKED, go download FACES OF GORE 2 and watch the first accident scene, (motorcycle crash against a fence) still burned to my skull as the most vomit inducing thing ive seen on a screen oh and by the way, ive talked to local police and their computer crime department, you know, the guys who catch child molesters on the web, and they told me they have a ton of pictures of babies being raped, got from pedophiles houses raids
April 9, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST
The only thing you got right is your name, mental midget.
April 9, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST
Been reading this site for years, you finally figured out where your readers will not follow you. Enjoy the baby fucking, you pedo.
April 9, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
The people that will be morally apposed and hate on this movie, will shed more light on it then anything. Can't wait for some mainstream news site to hear about this and make it that more popular. <P> I mean hate the movie all you want, fact is its done and been made. Now its just a point of see if you want to or don't. News will give it more publicity rather then just leaving it the fuck alone.
April 9, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST
by earl of sandwich
That's why there are ratings for movies with shit like "Rated R for Gory Violence" or "Graphic Sexual Acts" etc. etc. How do you summarize a baby beaing raped to death in a ratings code blurb? I'll tell you how, "YOU ARE A DIPSHIT WITH AN ISSUE IF YOU THINK YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY SEE A BABY RAPED TO DEATH" What are you going to be after you've seen it? A loser like Harry (and countless others) who like to position themselves as being part of a select crowd who can "handle that type of shit". I can handle it, the differnce is I have enough self respect to realize that I don't need to see it...cause it serves no purpose. The world can be fucked up, yes, but I don't need to reward some asshole with my dollars and time for re-creating horrible things on screen for me in the name of "art".
April 9, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST
I mean sure, you can say its "art", or that you can handle it, but at the end of the day, even if its offscreen or not completely shown, FUCKING A BABY IS WRONG, it just is no matter who you are, there was no need to make a movie with that element in it, except to create giant controversey so your movie become well known.
April 9, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST
First of all, it's pretty fucking lazy of you to tar everyone in this forum who has expressed reservations about the film with the same brush. Not everyone has used insulting rhetoric or invective. If you have problems with specific posts, then address them specifically. Second, by all accounts this is the MOST graphically violent and sexually sadistic film ever made at this particular budget and production level, so let's not act as if this is the same as people getting upset about seeing Janet Jackson's boobie at the Superbowl. A line has been crossed here, and it is beyond dumb for you to expect people not to be upset by it. Making people upset is the point, it is one of the express reasons the film was made, so back the fuck off! Third, I'm sorry but your "are you members of the religious right" question is not a particularly well thought out one. Do you really want to draw a line in the sand and then announce that everyone who has qualms about the use of graphic homicidal pedophiliac imagery (simulated though it may be) belongs on the same side with the religious right. If the bar you are setting for inclusion in the liberal camp is that you must unreservedly support the right of filmmakers to explicitly depict a man raping an infant to death, then buddy, you are quickly going to find yourself in a very very small group. Moreover, this sort of statement is stupid because it gives ammunition to ideologues on the right who can point to it and say "this is the sort of thing people on the left defend." To be clear, I have not voted Republican ever, and I have a fucking problem with this movie. Fourth, Harry was being disingenuous in his denial of the fact that the main character rapes a baby. If he wanted to clarify the issue he would have said "No, the lead character does not fuck a baby, a different character does." That is not what he said, and don't pretend that this was not intentional. Harry was fucking around with everyone, and that's fine, it is his site and his right to do so, but don't get all high and mighty about people calling him out on it. Fifth, when Harry comes out in support of a film this controversial, I don't think he expects people to use the talkbacks just to pat him on the back and say "thanks for expressing your opinion". This forum was created for discussion and sometimes debate, so when you criticize people for taking him to task as "insane" and imply that this is somehow an affront, you are barking up the wrong fucking tree. Sixth, I find the whole, "you have to see the movie before you criticize it" argument completely ridiculous in this case, at least in as much as the my understanding of the points with which I am taking issue are accurate. Does this film depict a baby being born and then immediately raped to death? Am I wrong abut that? Have I been mislead by the many reviews I have read describing such a scene in this film? If not, I feel pretty secure in saying that I don't feel comfortable with the graphic depiction of baby rape in any context, regardless of whether the filmmakers advocate against it, whether it is simulated, or whether it is in support of some point that is theoretically laudable. As far as I am concerned, none of those factors justify the onscreen (simulated) rape and murder of a baby, and fuck you for implying that I am small minded to feel that way. And finally, I find this movie repugnant (the trailer alone was enough to convince me of that, there is nothing else that could be added to that footage which I saw that would make me think that it was not disgusting), however, you may notice that while I find it offensive I have not in any posts suggested that other people not be allowed to see it (though I did point out that screening the film may have been a violation of current child pornography laws, which is not a commentary on morality but simply a statement of fact). I believe in the first amendment and people's right to watch what they want, at least to the extent that it doesn't harm others (which in the case of this film seems like an open question to me, but what the hell, I'll give it to you). However, I also reserve the right to call this sort of material vile, to assert that regardless of the admirable political and social point the film makers may have been trying to put across, the extremity of the material negates whatever might be positive about it, and I reserve the right to call in to question the judgement of anyone who would defend this movie.
April 9, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST
This not a liberal or conservative reaction about freedom of speech. RAPING BABIES IS WRONG!!! End of story. No need to depict it in a movie ever. Unless you belong to a cult that rapes babies, or are a serial killer, or pedo that does so, you cannot see it as an OK thing.
April 9, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
April 9, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST
...that the movie has a conscience.<P> I won't be seeing it, but things could be done in such a way as to horrify and draw attention to real or potentially real crimes.<P> Every one of us has seen shit they never expected to see before the internet came along, and most any naked Eastern European chick you see...(regardless of age or what they're doing) probably has a sad story in real life.<P> This movie could be horrifying for good reason...<P> ...probably not, but it would be nice to think so.
April 9, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST
"If you can't be witty, be blasphemous. It may pass for wit." <p> Sounds like this jackasses' movie. Money wasted producing it, he deserves to lose it. <p> I should know not to bother looking at this site beyond COAX news.
April 9, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST
The only reason it was done was to get outrage over this movie on the cable news networks and make some money.
April 9, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST
And yes, a woman has her teeth pulled out and is forced to give fellatio until she dies by choking to death on her own blood; and yes, someone is violated in the eye socket. It's funny how folks like Harry and Moriarty have been won over by the supposed seeming "social relevance" of this film, going so far as to defend it, but only AFTER being sold a bill of good by the filmmakers. The filmmakers are apparently arguing that it's a metaphor for Serbia, yet anyone who's seen it hasn't picked up on that at all unless it's been explained to them, primarily because IT ISN’T THERE. This is because the filmmakers did indeed make this thing for shock value – these aren’t guys who identify with the “victim culture” of Serbia. Rather, they’re rich kids from Belgrade who grew up sheltered from any of the harsh realities of their country. They can argue the fact that everything in this film actually took place, that they’re angry about the state of their country, but these hypocritical assholes NEVER had to deal with anything depicted in the film. They went to film school, were horror geeks, and made this wretched excuse for a film on Daddy’s dime, having never come close to experiencing any of the horrific events they so gleefully and artfully depict. It’s sad that folks like Harry (who urges and Moriarty (who actually dared all film critics to see this) fell for their bullshit excuses hook, line and sinker. The fact is, this film was made with nothing more than exploitation in mind, and many of the folks defending it are the same hypocrites that defend abysmal fare like the August Underground “films” as artistic expression, yet secretly jerk off to this repellent shit at night. These filmmakers are nothing like Paul Schrader, a writer who did genuinely have something to say and could talk about it eloquently without immediately going on the defensive. These hucksters laughingly crossed a line just because they COULD, and then they duped affected geeks into defending them. They don’t deserve any support. They deserve to never have their film shown anywhere and to never work again.
April 9, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST
And yes, a woman has her teeth pulled out and is forced to give fellatio until she dies by choking to death on her own blood; and yes, someone is violated in the eye socket. It's funny how folks like Harry and Moriarty have been won over by the supposed seeming "social relevance" of this film, going so far as to defend it, but only AFTER being sold a bill of goods by the filmmakers. The filmmakers are apparently arguing that it's a metaphor for Serbia, yet anyone who's seen it hasn't picked up on that at all unless it's been explained to them, primarily because IT ISN’T THERE. This is because the filmmakers did indeed make this thing for shock value – these aren’t guys who identify with the “victim culture” of Serbia. Rather, they’re rich kids from Belgrade who grew up sheltered from any of the harsh realities of their country. They can argue the fact that everything in this film actually took place, that they’re angry about the state of their country, but these hypocritical assholes NEVER had to deal with anything depicted in the film. They went to film school, were horror geeks, and made this wretched excuse for a film on Daddy’s dime, having never come close to experiencing any of the horrific events they so gleefully and artfully depict. It’s sad that folks like Harry (who urges his readers to see and support it) and Moriarty (who actually dared all film critics to see this) fell for their bullshit excuses hook, line and sinker. The fact is, this film was made with nothing more than exploitation in mind, and many of the folks defending it are the same hypocrites that defend abysmal fare like the August Underground “films” as artistic expression, yet secretly jerk off to this repellent shit at night. These filmmakers are nothing like Paul Schrader, a writer who did genuinely have something to say and could talk about it eloquently without immediately going on the defensive. These hucksters laughingly crossed a line just because they COULD, and then they duped affected geeks into defending them. They don’t deserve any support. They deserve to never have their film shown anywhere and to never work again.
April 9, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST
Sorry for the double post.
April 9, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST
Then there are alot of sick dudes in prison who are wrongfully being deprived of their recognition by the critics.
April 9, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST
took a leave of abscence I guess...
April 9, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
"baby rape" fill me with revulsion. Just typing those two words together makes the bile rise in my throat, and the fact that there are sick fucks in this world who get off on something like that (I can't even bring myself to type it again) is both depressing and as compelling an argument for capital punishment as any that I think needs to be made. And know that this is coming from someone who voted Democrat in the last five presidential elections. THAT SAID (ha), I am starting to wonder if the stories of this occurring in the film aren't a bit of net hyperbole. I just don't want to believe that there are enough people with the capability and will to assemble a coherent piece of cinema to make one about something like that. I could be wrong, but I will probably never know for sure. I still regret watching "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover." That movie made me ill; if these stories are anywhere near accurate, watching this one would probably make we want to put my Glock to my temple.
April 9, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST
Once again, Harry stays true to his reviewing philosophy: The primary criterion is whether the film lived up to the hype. In this case, Harry had no expectations, so of course the film exceeded them by its technical merits. But even the most brilliant technical work can't justify the repugnant content of this film. Put simply, "You can't polish a turd."
April 9, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
Disagree with one and the name calling begins.
April 9, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
that will make sure this film never sees any kind of proper release, at least I can only hope so
April 9, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Great post. Cheers.
April 9, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST
was hoping he would get a bunch of "can't wait to see this" reactions down here?
April 9, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover." That movie made me ill."<p> That's funny, because it made me really hungry. ;^)<p> And I should point out, I don't think Harry likes this movie because he's some sick sociopath. He's just in love with film in all its permutations. I'm almost certain that the title of this article and his namedropping of Lovecraft, Schrader and De Niro is more than a little bit ridiculous. Not seen the movie, and unless events conspire to make me walk past a cinema with "Serbian Film" on the marquee and I happen to be in a particularly masochistic mood, I doubt I will. But come on, Harry- control yourself, dude! lol.<p> Anyway...just wanted to make sure I wasn't accidentally allying myself with some of AICN's more hardcore right wing readership (yeah, I brought in the 'tics!). This movie has as much a right to exist as any other. And people should be able to see it unedited in all its lurid grizzliness, even if it's probably beyond redemption.
April 9, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST
mattcable, i was pointing out to those that were accusing harry of something that he wasnt doing. sorry to have offended you. i was just stating a point that could have been articulated better. my apologies. <p> cheetah, i wish i could have been there when you were being born so i could have raped your fucking infant body to death you retarded fucking turd.
April 9, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST
the film's right to exist, the question is though, does it need to exist? There's places film didn't need to go.
April 9, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST
"The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" is a work of flat-out genius. Exploitation, it is NOT. Do not mistake the high-brow allegories at play in one of Greenaway's films for stock-standard exploitation, given the low-brow nature of some of the acts depicted in those films. I would gladly, GLADLY pay large sums of money to see a Peter Greenaway film unspool at my local mega-plex even once a year.
April 9, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST
but it sure wreaks havoc on the soul.
April 9, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST
by saint seiya
I saw Salo last month and i couldnt believe it is considered to be a masterpiece, it is probably one of the worst movie ive ever seen in my life.
April 9, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST
Really...I mean Ive never really liked you from the beginning, but now you truly can go fuck yourself. I havent posted here in ages because Im working 60 hours a week to give my wife and precious 7 year old daughter the good life they deserve, but this, THIS brought me back into the fold. I will continue to read the talkbacks as everyone here has some of the sharpest wit Ive ever read, but YOU Harry, are a fat, self-serving, piece of shit. I only hope and prey that you and that mail order bride you paid for never spawn. God help the poor child. You are truly a disgusting human being Harry and I wish only bad things to happen to you. Ass Hole.....
April 9, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST
looks all kinds of fucked up sick. cant wait.
April 9, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST
by Dave I
My problem with Harry's comment was his definitive "no" and the phrasing implied (or seemed to imply) that the baby-rape didn't happen, or that since the main character did not do it that it was not quite as bad. Maybe that is me reading too much into it. Really, mattcable33 summed it up nicely. If he had said it happened, but that it was not the lead and explained why that was relevant a/o changed his view of it, I might have kept my figurative mouth shit.<p><p>I also think people have their limits. There are things I do not enjoy watching (torture, rape, kids getting hurt, etc.). I can watch A Nightmare on Elm Street because, for one it's fantasy, but also because there is usually some measure of justice. However, more realistic portrayals of brutal acts (rape, murder, neglect, abuse, etc.) are harder to stomach. I don't watch Holocaust videos for fun, but make myself so I know what people are capable of, then feel like crap afterward. That is historical fact though. Maybe Serbian Movie has a point and the bad stuff is to make you feel for the situation, but that sounds like rationalization. Still, perhaps it does. I just think when you have something that evil portrayed unless (or maybe even if) there is a really good reason for it, and possibly some pay off or lesson to it, if it is remotely exploitative, it will be beyond most people's limits. Even then, the fact that was in there might be too much for the vast majority of people to stick with the story. Why should we care about the character when whatever happens to him pales compared to the other character, the absolute icon of innocence, suffering such evil? I probably cannot.<p><p>I support this film's right to exist and the right of people to watch it, but do not believe it is something I would enjoy, maybe not even something I could force myself to watch. That is just me though.<p><p>-Cheers
April 9, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
This movie is stealing all their thunder!
April 9, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
The words baby rape, raping babies, anything sexual with an infant fills me with a rage and disgust that I alomost can't fathom. I don't care if the main character doesn't do it himself, or if he even saves the day at the end and makes everyone pay for what they did. Those words an ideas just should not exist in a movie. Those images are reserved for the sad stories on the evening news where they belong, and to use them for shock value in your crappy foreign film is just sick.
April 9, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST
Why? Why does simulated kiddie porn have a right to exist? I'm all for freedom of expression but I also believe that artists should recognize a line of decency that should not be crossed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling these filmmakers artists. Thanks to Messiahman's post I know them to be businesspeople above all. To paraphrase the Klingon chick in ST VI, just because you can do a thing, does not mean you must necessarily do that thing. Wise words. I wonder if human evolution has finally plateaued. Surely our collective culture is devolving when fare such as this, Rapelay, and GTA are given widespread recognition. Not acceptance, necessarily, but garnering a large enough audience to consider them nigh mainstream.
April 9, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST
I enjoyed your post but, believe me, 2 Girls 1 Cup is, well, pure shit - no pun intended. I agree with you about Oldboy. I don't see why it's being lumped into "shock movie" territory. I thought Inside was nothing but a gorefest, didn't shock or disgust me at all, was just watching a bad story play out with a lot of blood spilled. Martyrs had the potential to be great and I admit, I dug the ending. Ichi the Killer is still a lot of fun but it's so comically over the top and the special FXs so bad that it couldn't possibly offend everybody. I watched the trailer for Serbian Film on YouTube and, at the very least, the film looks exceedingly well-photographed - which will probably make its content even harder to swallow.
April 9, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST
And other offensive media, is that normally the people who create it are not trying to pass it off as "art"......I wish the movie didn't exist, but I don't have the authority or power to make that call. I think people should be allowed to do what they want so I am not going to tell these guys they can't make their movie or that people can't see it. I just really question the motivations of the directors and the viewers. There is no artistic value in seeing a newborn baby raped to death, and if you watch it, and try to justify it even if its a special effect, there is something wrong with you
April 9, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST
Even if simulated, or fake, if you put a clip of the scene in question from this movie on the internet, you would likely have the cops banging on your door. I can't see how anyone could justify something you would normally get arrested for watching as "art" just because its in a crappy foreign film.
April 9, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST
Stop painting everyone with the same lazy brush. I consider myself liberal and yet, like you, I find the ideas in this film sickening and I have no desire to ever watch it. No wonder we can't get anything done in this country, we just plug our ears and yell "liberal" or "right-winger" at each other without actually bothering to understand the other side. We all probably have a lot more in common than you would imagine, i.e. finding baby rape morally repugnant. The idea that I would support viewing such an act because I'm a liberal is pretty repugnant as well.
April 9, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST
Wikluh Sky.(Who also raps I guess)The song is : "Pazi šta Radiš" *Shrug* Who knew Serbians had dubstep
April 9, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST
April 9, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST
Not sure if you've seen it but I actually think I enjoy Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance even MORE than Oldboy, and it's another film that deals with shocking violence in a sobering and artistic manner. It was the film Chan Woo-Park did just before Oldboy. Anyhow, considering that I heard people get completely riled up over Inside (which I found to be a laughable b-movie), I'd have to wait and see Serbian Film for myself before I passed judgment. I think people just get so riled up over these films that they fail to realize that nobody is actually hurt, or injured, or raped while making these movies (though I suppose there are those who'd argue that the participants become psychologically damaged from filming such terrible acts). What's the other argument? "Horrible acts shouldn't be filmed because they're either going to inspire people to reenact them OR serve as stimulation for the perverts who get off on this stuff"? Well, fair enough, but like you said...it's the same for anything, whether it's GTA or Fallout 3 or Salo or Cannibal Holocaust. I guess I'm arguing the case for a movie I haven't seen, I just think people here seem to be overreacting to a degree which I've never seen before on AICN (was it this bad when Irreversible came out?). In my mind, I'm imagining that Serbian Film is going to suggest the whole baby incident rather than depict it. If I'm wrong, and it's gratuitous, then I suppose I would have to rethink my stance. I sense that certain filmgoers are getting worried that it seems like cinema is starting to play catch up with literature when it comes to disgusting, transgressive shit.
April 9, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST
I a not at all sure that this film is exempt from the sort of law enfocement scenario you describe. There is a very real possibility that the screening of this film broke current child pornography laws.
April 9, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST
people will go out and do this after they see the movie, I'm kinda creeped out that people who have committed sick shit with kids, or are thinking about it, will get their jollies from seeing it.
April 9, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST
by Bouncy X
you know...from all the hardcore masturbation.
April 9, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST
...and generally think these kind of "shock and awe" tactics are mostly just a crutch for the subtlety-challenged, it IS reliably hilarious to see the same perpetually outraged people in every talkback launch into sputtering, apoplectic tirades against Harry and his crimes against morality and decency and families and America and the Bible. <p> So this movie features an example of inappropriate baby care? Wow, it's a good thing this was pointed out by vigilant internet moral authorities, I would have never guessed that without all the stern lectures. Good for you guys for standing up and declaring that this kind of behaviour is WRONG in real life, it's such a controversial subject with so much grey area, damn liberal media, moral compass, etc.
April 9, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST
If you are doubtful about how graphically this sequence is depicted, do a little digging online. There are a number of reviews and first hand accounts that describe what happens in enough detail to make it clear that you see the rape happen. Take that for what you will. Also, I don't think that there is a threat of somone being inspired by this film to rape a baby when they were not inclined to do so previously (though I am not at all sure there aren't people who will take comfort/pleasure in seeing it depicted in high cinematic style). However, people do get inured and desensitized to images the more they are exposed to them, and I feel pretty good about drawing a line at baby rape as a subject that I would prefer to remain taboo and shocking. I have seen the movies and played the games you mentioned, this is not equivalent (nor for that matter is graphic interpretation vs. the written word).
April 9, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST
brilliant. Yet nobody ever talks about it. Why so movie goers?
April 9, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST
For some reason Frontiers just did not get the buzz/hype as those other films. It's actually available on Netflix Instant Watch so I really don't have an excuse for not having watched it yet. Perhaps I should watch it back-to-back with Antichrist (also on Instant) for maximum sensory overload.
April 9, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST
I'm quite shocked that the filmmakers were willing/able to go there, unless they used a fake (prosthetic? plastic?) baby to film those scenes. Anyway, gross shit, I suppose if I want the details I'll look for an in-depth review. One of my favorite movies is Mysterious Skin, which they were able to film without harming the child actors or making them aware of the film's subject matter. But how do you protect an infant while filming this stuff?
April 9, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST
Seriously pal what the fuck?? I don't post here much anymore-but like Noted_Sage Ben_Linus--you drew me back in here for this. GAG. Fuck this shit. <p> Some newborn is raped and killed? and you somehow think this movie is worthy of your time? Please. You DESERVE 8 more installments of Big Robots (Hitting Each Other Repeatedly) by Mikey_Bay just BECAUSE.<p> The sequel to this of course is called 'A Portuguese Movie' and involves our very own Trekkie from Almada humpin' his harem of Goats. You know he dresses them in Red Shirts too-
April 9, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST
Frontier(s), to me, just worked. It actually had a story and the characters acted realistically (well, at least compared to the characters in Martyrs and Inside). <P> I still dig on the "French New Wave" of Horror. It's like they're making up for all the repressed anger from all that surrendering.
April 9, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST
Sounds like a good double bill for this flick.
April 9, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST
No one here has said anything about the bible, nor have the vast majority of people's responses misunderstood that those defending this film also think that baby rape is bad. From what I can tell, most people are arguing that the graphic depiction of such acts is meaningful and has a negative impact on their world. Yes some people have gone over the top in their expressions of anger at the defense of the film, but honestly, if you buy into the idea that movies mean something and can have an effect on the world (and if you don't believe that, why are you reading this site?) then it seems reasonable to expect that this subject above most others is worthy of the sort of passionate response that this article has illicited. You seem to suggest that people getting up in arms about a baby being raped to death on screen in a large budgeted and technically accomplished film is the same as someone being mad about hearing a bad word on prime time television. If that is your position then I would like to ask, with all due respect, what the fuckis wrong with you? Is baby rape in large budget films something to be shrugged off, are you that blase about RAPED BABIES that it is funny when people get upset about THAT subject. Fucking yuck to you dude. AND BY THE WAY, as far as demeaning people for getting up on a high horse and needlessly shouting about how horrible baby rape is, I would suggest that you are firing in the wrong direction. It's not the people criticizing the film and it's defenders that deserve your scorn on that count, its the film makers. They are the ones who think that millions of dollars need to be spent on a film in order to tell everyone that raping babies (among other horrible things) is bad (because don't get me wrong, I believe that is implicit in the film makers message, I believe they are anti- baby rape). But no one needed to put the act on screen in order to make it clear that this is bad, WHEN WE ALREADY FUCKING KNOW! Moreover, I would argue that by depicting the graphic murderous rape of an infant on screen you do more for the cause of mormalizing such depictions than you do to reinforce the message that it is bad. These filmmakers are going to reap the benefits of people's innate aversion to the images they propogate in the name of their message, but at the cost of making their audinece a little less sensitive to it the next time around.
April 9, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
A true work of art. <p>Cinematic effort of the highest level. <p>A magnum opus worthy of the AFI Greatest Movies of All Time list. <p>Nah, I'm just fuckin with ya. It's most likely a piece of shit. Pun not intended.
April 9, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST
Just to clarify, I am sure that the act (while apparently graphically depicted) was simulated in some way (a prop, cg, something). I just don't think that excuses it.
April 9, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
For fuck's sake.
April 9, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST
Look, ol'buddy ol'pal, when the baby rape craze finally catches fire and there are 5 competing reality shows about actual baby rape ("Who Wants to Rape a Baby?" "The Real BabyRapers of Atlanta" "Jon & Kate + Eight Raped Babies"), then I will concede to you the point that the slippery slope of free expression was foolishly irresponsible and that we as humans should not be allowed to make films about the Love That Dare Not Babytalk Its Name. <p> Until then, I will continue to regard your histrionic comments as the hilarious rants of a man who dared to stand up against the baby rape simulators of the world. I'd suggest you start an online petition against baby rape, too, because I think that would be even funnier. <p> WAKE UP, AMERICA!!! SERBIA IS NORMALIZING BABY RAPE RIGHT BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST BABY RAPE? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CONDEMN IT LIKE I DO, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY IN FAVOR OF IT! <p> Shit, if it wasn't for humorless people like you, the guy who made this movie would have no buttons to push. If a baby is raped in a forest, and it doesn't make a sound, was it actually raped? Contemplate this upon the Tree of Whoa.
April 9, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
At least with Centipede, it seems to have a sense of humor about it. <p> This just looks like a few sub-moronic horror cunts trying to make the "most extreme" film in history under the guise of the suffering of the Serbians. <p> What they really need is to taste the business end of an aluminum bat for putting even a suggestion of newborn rape/murder there in the first place. <p> I know, if I don't like it I don't have to see it. And I wont. Thing is, for some reason, I don't want anybody else to see it either. I want them to fail.
April 9, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
I could care less.
April 9, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
Looks like he's hamming it up big time. Like modern Udo Kier horror level of ham. "Centipede" is pretty much a B torture porn horror movie from the looks of it. And doesn't seem to be trying to be anything else. 'least that's what I got from it.
April 9, 2010, 7 p.m. CST
One can only hope. Although the idea of the human centipede makes me physically ill on a gut level, the trailer makes the movie look fun for its (hopefully intentional) black humor and the Doctor's crazy glee.
April 9, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST
...that has summoned the high horses of the Royal Internet Mounted Police. <p> If they'd just killed the newborn without raping it, nobody would give a shit about this movie either way, and you all know it. It's just the knee-jerk gut reaction to the idea, the easiest button to press to get a rise out of an audience, and you can bet that's exactly what the filmmakers counted on to set them apart from the garden variety CSI or L&O episode when they set out to shock everyone. You guys freaking out over this as if it's anything more significant than just another mindless DTV SAW knockoff are playing right into their business model.
April 9, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST
by Bouncy X
ba da bum.
April 9, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
Isn't so much the fact that baby rape is in some way part of that movie, as it is the way Harry not only neglected to mention it, but made a comment on the matter and pretty much avoided giving a clear-cut explanation regarding it. What's even worse is that he proclaims crap like this to be "art" when it looks like, in your word, just another mindless DTV torture porn movie. <p>Funnily enough, I just listened to a podcast in which someone briefly mentioned this movie and said that it makes you feel disgusted at who you are and what you're doing in the theater watching it in the first place. So sorry if I'm not down with Harry's vision of cinema.
April 9, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST
I really enjoy your thoughtful comments, but I'm still going to say that I couldn't pass judgment on Serbian Film - and whether or not it truly plummets the depths of hell - unless I saw it myself (if I do). This could very well be cheap, exploitative trash, but I'm not sure if it'd even be screened at SXSW if that were the case. I love Chan Wook Park, Takashi Miike, David Lynch, Michael Heneke, and especially Shinya Tsukamoto. All filmamkers who have "shocked" and challenged me with their art. They are clearly operating on a level of skill and artistic merit that guys like Eli Roth or the dudes behind "Tokyo Gore Police" will never comprehend. I'm not sure where the creators of "Serbian Film" fall. Baby rapers?
April 9, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST
Maybe it's just me, but I've learned to take a grain of Harry's reviews with a full serving of salt. That comment was more than a little weasel-y, but after the Blade 2 review, I'm never shocked by Harry's sense of decorum anymore. I am still occasionally surprised to see that other people are shocked by his taste, though. I mean, the guy is good friends with Eli Roth, his standards for art must not be too far above DTV torture porn knockoffs.
April 9, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
April 9, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
Well played Ebonic Plague. Isn't it funny when people take arguments seriously in the forum specifically designated for doing it. Yes, much easier to create a straw man and make fun of it than respond to anything I actually wrote. Because you didn't.I suspect you know that though, and are just tring to get a rise out of me. I guess that engaging seriously with the subject makes me the humorless asshole. But I am left to conclude that you didn't respond to me (because again, your response had no application to anything I actually wrote) because you can't. You're a troll and a lightwheight and I completely expect any response you might make to this to be equally unrelated to any of the arguments I actually made (as opposed to the arguments and positions you pulled out of your ass and then attributed to me).
April 9, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
On 19 October 2009 it was announced a sequel, titled The Human Centipede (Full Sequence) has been planned for cinemas in 2010. 'Full Sequence' will supposedly include a centipede composed of twelve individuals. Six has said how it had always been his intention to make two Centipede films, with the first film existing to get his audience "used to the sick idea" in order that the second could be much more "nasty, with way more medical experiments" in a way that would have been "impossible" in the original, and would have "destroyed" any chance of the film being made.
April 9, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Sorry, but a guy being force-fed fecal matter, hunks of maggot-infested meat, a guy having pages of a book stuffed down his throat until he vomits blood, the brutal assault of a child by depraved thugs, and, um (SPOILER, I guess) cannibalism = me feeling ill. But I did NOT say it was exploitation. Point out where I said that and you win a prize. I'm quite aware that a lot of people loved that movie. I am not one of them. I was just pointing out that is my threshold for disgust. From what I've heard, "Serbian Film" has that one beat by miles.
April 9, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST
THAT'S rich. <p> I guess you're right, though, I don't see much point in having a serious discussion about the inherent danger presented by the fictional depiction of the rape of a newborn. At least not on AICN. I was just sarcastically mocking the way you were treating this as a gravely serious threat to worldwide standards of decency. It's just a little foreign indie shock movie, championed by a known weirdo on a site famous for misspelled profanity and intentionally offensive pseudonyms... you'll have to excuse me for poking fun at the irony. And though I think you're being humorless here, I don't think you're an asshole... maybe a bit of a farthead, yeah, but not a real asshole by any stretch. So I'll consider my lightwheight point made and let you continue with your doctoral thesis. (Sorry, I don't mean to sound mean-spirited or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.)
April 9, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST
I don't like what this thread is bringing oit in me. I'm out.
April 9, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST
This site never fails to disappoint.
April 9, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST
I think it's interesting to contrast the reactions in this talkback to the reactions when The Road was being released. <p> I'll put a ***SPOILER*** here in case anyone hasn't read The Road. <p> There's a scene in the book where the characters and audience are witness to what is clearly a scene of newborn cannibalism, presented in very stark, disturbing circumstances (witnessed by a child, no less), and when the reviews for that movie came out indicating that scene had been cut, there was a LOT of grousing that the scene should have been included in the film adaptation to give the full impact of the horror that is inherent to the book's central premise, survival in a world that is truly amoral. <p> ***END SPOILER*** for The Road. <p> Sure, it didn't make the cut, and one can argue that the book's pedigree set it apart from being fairly compared to what seems to be an obvious button-pushing exploitation movie, but the outrage over that scene was never as vitriolic as just the mention of the baby rape scene in this movie (which I have heard described as actually occuring in a scene in the movie-within-the-movie.) The prevailing sentiment on AICN was that the gruesomeness of that scene ADDED to the artistry of The Road. It's obviously shocking, but with an intent. I wonder if it is the sexual taboo that is really causing the outrage, or if it's because this Serbian movie doesn't have the prestige of being based on a Pulitzer prize winning book to rationalize its attempts at shocking the audience.
April 9, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST
<P>I haven't seen The Passion since its 2004 release, but I would say censoring that movie was a rare case of the filmmaker actually trying to appease church-going types who wanted to see the movie without the violence. I'm sure Mel would say the violence was completely necessary to the film, but he had altered it so that the Church Lady could see it without feeling squeamish. Some could call him a sell-out or blatantly pandering in that regard, but I wouldn't say that he was technically censoring himself or proving that the violence in the film wasn't necessary. I don't think that censoring the movie for busloads of Sunday School kids is something we have to worry about with Serbian Film. :D But as you said...off-topic.<P> <P>What do you think of this notion...sometimes I feel like that if someone is entrusted with millions of dollars (or clsoe to millions) to make a film, that they owe it to the audience to anchor themselves to some kind of moral sense so that, no matter how horrible or ugly the events that transpire in the film are, the viewer doesn't feel betrayed. I think that's why I feel "safe" in watching the works of people like Cronenberg or Lynch, in that I just kind of implicitly trust or feel that they're genuinely good people who feel empathy for others, and that when they depict something terrible such as incest and rape in "Fire Walk With Me," it's not for the sake of shock value or titilation...it's searingly honest and heartbreaking and necessary to the story.<P>
April 9, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST
"Liberals love this! It's just the natural progression. They love abortion and hate babies. They also love deviant sex and depraved "art". (Piss Christ anyone?)."<p> Hey, dumbfuck...I'm a hardcore liberal and I actually brought up my objections to this and the irrelevancy of "Piss Christ" as art BEFORE you in this thread. Try scanning the TB before posting next time.<p> Conservatives love fetuses and hate babies...otherwise, they'd plow more money into child care and education then wars...
April 9, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST
by Some Dude
I mean a bunch of Jews get killed and the hero is a Nazi.
April 9, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST
He's already making a sequel that will be 12-15 people long--all sewn ass-to-mouth!
April 9, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST
If you did a Faux News level of investigation (reading a talkback and never watching the movie) Then yes: A buncha Jews get killed and the Hero is a Nazi :P Wait, next week there'll be a skinamax porn with Nicole called "Sheridans List"
April 9, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST
'The Hills Have Eyes' had tenderlion baby. <p> Are they trying to blur the line between sex & violence? Yes, it seems that they are. Perhaps they are trusting you to deverge that line of art & reality. <p> Saw a movie - forget the title - that had to me, a shocking amount of misogyny [one girl had a candle on her back as he ate his dinner on her buttocks; another, used her ass as a painted dart board] but that wasn't the end all be all, was it? They ate his dick in a hot dog bun in the end, after all.
April 9, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST
by Some Dude
You mean like how most people in this TB are talking about a movie they haven't seen yet?
April 9, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST
did you know the Federal Reserve is a private corporation and they are run by banking families behind the financial disaster that was the biggest heist in world history that made them richer and you don't know about it because they own the mainstream media too? www.infowars.com
April 9, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST
by Man in Suit
That usually buys a positive review on this site.
April 9, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST
by Biggie Kaiju
PA: "We're just getting set up for the baby-rape scene. Here's a ballcap." HARRY: "Serbian Film is a brilliant movie."
April 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST
by Keanu Gives
I'm sure harry does not condone baby rape. Who the fuck does? You haven't even seen the fucking movie yet. <br><br>People criticizing this are the same people that cried during The Passion of the Christ. Go watch reruns of 7th Heaven or something.
April 10, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST
by Star Hump
April 10, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST
by Star Hump
What an ego.
April 10, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST
Did you know that Obama is the first POTUS in a generation who actually wants to tighten regulations on your "banking families", but dumb cunts like Alex Jones are labeling HIM the enemy?
April 10, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST
there are some things I don't need to see<p> So you can extend you pinkie and call yourself an aficionado<br> But I prefer the term jaded
April 10, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST
are their audiences. People who say things like "yeah, I watched it.. it was funny". Seriously, how fucked up do you have to be in the head to think something like this is "funny"? Do you think you've passed some kind of toughness test and come out the other side a better man or something? Harder? Bullshit. You want to harder yourself, go join the military. This is just film. It's purpose is either to tell a story, entertain, make a point or make you examine some part of yourself you never considered before. A few dumbshits never quite get this idea through their thick skulls and either want to supress, censor, ban or embrace these films as some sort of thrill-ride or means of pleasure or enjoyment. Black and White people. No gray areas for them. Same types of people that have almost permanently destroyed our ability to discuss things in public without picking a side and planting themselves firmly into an ideology.. even after logic and reason presents truth that opposes what they've decided to "believe" in. Guess what? Everyone dies and everyone loses. And your ideology dies with you. Pass it on to your kids? Illusion. You'll never know. Ask a bridge builder if rigidity is strength. Tell him so and he'll laugh in your pathetic faces.
April 10, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
Can Libs do anything BUT name call? I love it!!! Keep 'em coming.
April 10, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST
"Oooooh! Look how socially enlightened and how much of a connoisseur of the various colours that cinema has to offer I am by recommending a movie chock full of torture and rape. But it MEANS something! Hmmm! Yeessss!" Self wanking about how much more of an evolved human being you are by watching depraved shit is a pretty low way to show much you love movies.
April 10, 2010, 3:18 a.m. CST
Seriously, what the fuck? And no Harry, Lovecraft would not approve because his horror was smarter than squick. Jesus, I feel like I need shower after reading this thread...
April 10, 2010, 3:33 a.m. CST
I almost want to post a few pages worth here, but I'll try to keep it short. I normally would not say this in a public forum, especially here, but I am going to in this case: I work in law enforcement, and I'm sure there are a handful of others here that do, too (police, corrections, probation, etc.), and I can almost without fail promise you that for those that honestly believe it is 'cool' to stomach stuff like rape of ANY kind, let alone rape of babies, is a cool thing or something to brag about, I am fairly certain that it is just something you are saying for shock value. When you are alone, thinking about what you have seen or thought about, you, too, feel disgusted, probably with yourself for even pretending you did not care about it. <P> The very thought of this SHOULD make you ill. This stuff, raping a newborn baby (sometimes until death) does, in fact, happen. I absolutely will not go into any detail about what I have seen both in person and via pictures, video, and audio, but it would be enough to make most people here cry. <P> Forget the baby for a second. How many of the people here that act as if this is cool or hip, like Harry seems to, have actually heard or witnessed a rape of an adult? A cell phone that had the voice recorder turned on while a rape was in progress. To hear the complete and utter despair and desperation in the voice of the victim is something that you will never, ever forget. Or those that DO, in fact, video tape and take pictures of their acts - guess what, they exist, and whatever you can imagine, no matter how dark and twisted you can think, it has been done, that and much worse. <P> Crimes against children, even newborn babies? I'm telling you, and again maybe some others here can vouch for me on this, once you actually see even *ONE* real honest-to-god photograph of a baby who is a few hours old, literally raped to death, something like Serbian Film should offend you on a level that cannot be described. <P> That is about it. I am pleased to see an overwhelming majority of people calling Harry out on this one. Harry is a fake, a fraud to a certain degree. Having dealt with countless people like him, though I admit I may be wrong, I feel confident in saying that he probably did not like the film at all, but, as others here have done, simply posts what he posts for recognition, to be blunt, he still thinks this is junior high and wants to be cool in how 'different' he is. If, though, he quite literally enjoyed the film, and take that into account with some of her other outrageous 'reviews' and blogs and what have you from the past, I would be willing to bet that if he were in the last bit ambulatory, he would be in prison for certain crimes that shall remain nameless.
April 10, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST
beaks doesn't need to see anything else
April 10, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST
Can conservatives do anything but covet jobs they're not qualified for?
April 10, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST
funny, because its true
April 10, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST
Not only painting the cast & crew as some sort of deviants but the critics writing up the reviews as well. <p> You know what creeps me the fuck out? Those skinned fucking once upon a time real life dead people that travel around to every museum & they pose thier remains with chicken wire while hundreds of people take snap shots of themselves in front of laminated corpses. <p> I just feel that the outrage is misdirected. The film is not praising the behavior or glorifiing it; it's not porn to titilated you. The industry is seedy & is supposed to disgust you. Have you watched porn lately? It's gaping assholes everywhere. Porn is not about fucking anymore; it's about the freak show. <p> And you may not think so but you are dangerously close to butting heads against Art vs Censorship. What is the differnce from writing fiction to drawing fiction to realizing that on screen? <p> Every week, I am sucked into reading the "Friday Fan Fiction" at the Topless Robot website. You tell me how reading a story makes it worse than seeing it on screen. <p> http://tinyurl.com/ya8p96s
April 10, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST
Best post right there!!!! I like my dose of horror just like most others, but I can't understand anyone seeing something like this and then praising the movie. I don't care how good the acting is or how well the cinematography is done. I truly hope the media doesn't get a hold of this and blow it up into this big controversy, cause then you'll have people see it just for that reason, the millions that also buy gossip rags so they can read about the destructive lives of celebrities.
April 10, 2010, 4:30 a.m. CST
Procedure 110-Montauk<br> I doubt 231 will even notice
April 10, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST
A) This is a horror movie, obviously out to shock and disturb. It's been happening for years. When "I Spit On Your Grave" came out it caused a ruckus just as big as this. It's a horror movies job to push the envelope. B) I can't really judge the movie, having never seen it, baby rape seems pretty fucking hardcore and nuts, and of course it's wrong, but this is just a goddamn movie for fucks sake...it's like saying, "I'm not going to watch Lethal Weapon because people get shot in that movie! And it's wrong because that happens in real life!" Give me a fucking break. C) I'm sure you're not suppose to ENJOY the scene...the purpose is to make you sick to your stomach. THAT'S the gag. I'm sure like Irreversible, Visitor Q or The Girl Next Girl, the movie is hopefully about MORE than baby rape for crying out loud. It might actually have merit besides THAT. D) Yeah I'm going to see this...not because I'm a sick twisted pervert..or because of anything like that. I just like me a good shocking fucked up horror movie...because... ITS JUST A MOVIE. I'm sure it's something I'll never want to see again though.
April 10, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST
You've just proven my, and many others posts, point. You don't want to see this movie to enjoy it, you want to see it to SURVIVE it. You want to brag to others that you had the stomach for it. To me, that's some sort of machismo nonsense. I can't help but be reminded of these viral videos where these idiot kids pour kerosene on themselves and light themselves on fire just so they can say they did it and survived. Sure they never do it again, but they never should have done it in the first place. Same with this movie. I watch movies to enjoy them based on storyline, effects, comedic timing, etc. I never would want to see a movie just so I can be tested for some sort of strength that I think might impress others.
April 10, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST
It is only pictures flashing by that someone had written a screeplay for....and oh my God! Maybe there was storyboards! They might have actually *drawn* pictures of how they wanted to shoot that scene! <p> I only hope that people get this fired up about actual horrifics in real life than what is portrayed on screen. <p> Dispurging a critic for what he watched & making it personal....It's completely mental. Harry did his best to skirt an inflammatory part to give us a review as a whole; by not judging an entire peice of film by one scene. <p> But that seems the "Nuke The Fridge" par for the course in talkback. The focus is always on the one terrible scene while disregarding the rest.
April 10, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST
Like no here as ever watched Knoxville's Jackass 1 & 2. "Machismo nonsense" is rampant in films since...I don't know; forever. <p> Martin Riggs & John McClain would like to have an up close personal word with you while they have you in a finger cuffs fuck position, while they eat the aborted fetuses from your twin sisters who are lapping at their asshole while they fuck you. <p> [The Aristocrats!]
April 10, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST
by spud mcspud
Pikaroth76 just wrote a fucking terrifying post up there, and some of the sick fucks who are defending the right of a movie like this to exist (and who have explicitly failed to provide one rational, intelligent reason WHY a movie like this should exist other than "Umm, censorship is BAD, mmkay?") will have trawled the sickest depths of the internet to find shit like this for real. One of the things that scares me most is that movies like this draw out the freaks that WOULD enjoy seeing shit like this for real.<P> Several people have just made the point that sums up anyone who would want to see this: it's a big macho dare to yourself that you can watch it and survive it. It's as old as the hills, it's been used ever since cinema began, and it IS nothing more than some fucked-up way to achieve a cosy armchair notoriety for yourself. As a wiser person further up said - if you want real horror in your life, go join the military. Shit like this is all fun and games for some sickos until you see it or its after effects) for real. Then, you either react as a normal human being should, or you're a monster. All the "oh, but it's just art!" arugments in the world won't change that.<P> It's rare that I'd say Beavis and Butthead said it best, but they did. In an episode where they're watching U2's "One" video, where an out-of-focus bull runs slowly across a field:<P> Beavis: "Mmm-mm heh! This means something, dude!"<P> Butthead: "Yeah. Means something stupid. Huh-huh huh."
April 10, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST
and let me tell you something about the life i have been living here... When I was 7 years old, the war started on Balkan region...we were fucked. No food in Serbia, embargo, people were literary fighting over food...crime was everywhere. My very close cousin was shot in the head..the ambulance came after 45 minutes as usual ... The situation changed a bit around 2000...but it all came back again.. It is very hard to find a job, even if you are well educated :) funny, ha? You do not know what that is like.. You always have some idiot, politically backed up over you head, looking forward to slow you down and take everything you have, so he could have it for himself. I have watched this movie, and I can recognize the metaphor. I understand why you are not able to get it, and that's ok. But the film, truly gets to the point. It is hard, it is tough, it gives you buzz, but it is true. And beautiful. You need to see it before you start talking about it. And you have to give yourself for a bit if you want to understand it. No one is pressuring you.It is your own will are you going to feel empathy for the people from Serbia. If you decide not to, that is ok, but do not be ignorant by saying it is stupid. Some people really have felt what this film is showing.
April 10, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST
your points are all well taken, and I would NEVER deny the right for a film like this to exist (assuming the explicit scenes are all fake-im assuming they are). I mean heck we have ass to mouth porn, so i guess anything goes. Where I draw mmy ire from is Harry's GLOWING review of shit like this: "There are very few that I can then recommend to you, my audience"...FUCK YOU HARRY you disgusting piece of shit. How pretencious. I am NOT your audience you disgusting pig. REALLY Harry?? REALLY?? This is a "brilliant" movie? the "best" that you saw as SXSW? """"A distributor that understands the value of getting it shut down in a few intolerant communities – in order to sell the film in the liberal godless markets in this widely diverse country of ours. This is a film to wake the ire of the right, and bring down the awesome of those that support the arts"""" REALLY Harry?? You are such a prick Harry, really, you are...youve completely lost touch with your audience and reality. Youre in that tin shack in Austin with your wheelchair and your cheetos with your fake wife and you THINK you know what we like and want to see. Id wager to bet 80% of your "audience" doesnt want to see this shit. And Im a New York City liberal ass wipe. Harry, I hope you realize how many enemies youve made over this, but I guess you really dont care.
April 10, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST
April 10, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST
You Serbs and Croats need mass shock therapy. I don't know what's in your water but you are all sorts of fucked up.
April 10, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST
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April 10, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST
Thanks for the mature, informed viewpoint. Your post reminded me a case from some weeks back where a professor molested a 13-month old baby in St. Louis with the willing participation of the mother. Sick fuck. I'll bet he'd be in line to watch Serbian Film.
April 10, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST
there are many insane fucks in this talkback who are seriously thinking that the newborn in this scene is real FORCHRISSSAKE...of course its a puppet, and its supposed to make you sick and aware of stuff that is really happening out there, even in your own neighborhoods...
April 10, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST
Yeah, right. Democracy and censorship are not exactly bedfellows as i understand it.
April 10, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
... about a movie they haven't even watched. Made up their opinion about it from rumours and hear-say. Which is typical.
April 10, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
April 10, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST
April 10, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST
First, I live in the vicinity of the movie's setting so I can say a thing of two about it even if my knowledge of the movie itself is limited to what I know from reviews and trailers. First, some talkbakers here are absolutely right in saying that this movie has bee done just for shock value by people who don't have the slightest idea of what life in Serbia is really like. It's a bunch of self proclaimed intellectual puffs in their thirties that grew up with the notion of a war and social collapse going on somewhere in the vicinity but not actually feeling it's impact on their back. They all studied drama and directing and acting during the late 90es in Serbia or abroad, that alone indicates that they were children in well to do families. As everywhere in the world, war, famine and collapse does not affect the rich. The movie is, by any means, the newest regurgitated spawn of the so called Serbian "black wave" in cinema that originates from the 80es. First of all, it's made for pure shock value and it's an answer to the popular western "torture porn" subgenre. It's aim is to point some hollywood producer or director attention to the writers/directors/actors in it and nothing specifically more.Even the title reveals this intention, explicitly saying "hey, we're here! look at us! we can mimic you and maybe do it even better because we're not bound by puritan morality or any kind of morality for that matter! give us a chance, take us to LA to make crap movies and that brag about it back in Belgrade from our big black SUV! please, help us feed our complexes!" If there is a message in this movie (I doubt that) than it has two faces, depending in which part of the world are you when you are watching this. If you live in a civilized country of the western world than the message is "look how fucked up are we! look what our politicians and criminals and, especially Slobodan (the boogie man who we all hate) Milosevic has done to us even if we are normal and civilized european people. pity us, please! forget that we voted and supported firmly that maniac for 13 years, committed and supported atrocities beyond human belief and lived (and still live) in a society that idolises criminals!". If you live in Serbia the message is "Look at what has the west turned us into! this is their fault! let's turn to our historical allies and values (?) and purge our selves of the western virus. let's isolate our selves again like N. Korea only with our chuch leading us. let's play hipocricy again." Having not seen the movie, I can only guess the plot: Retired porn actor is poor, former military/war criminal now drug lord or "controversial businessman" is a pervert and orders a extreme snuff movie being made, psichopatic quasi intellectual director hires former porn actor, they engage in a fuck torture sickening movie making, former porn star wants out, former military threatens his family and him urging him to continue filming, at the apex of the crap former porn star snaps kills the whole crew in a bloodbath and very visual way. Former porn star returns home with an empty stare in his eyes. Life in Serbia continues as usual. Swooping camera take of Belgrade. The End. Poor Serbia... There are so much incoherences in this, that even without having seen it's obvious that it is just a shock show. First, retired porn actor in Serbia? Ummm, I'm fond of porn and have good knowledge of it. Serbian porn is not "actor porn". If someone in Serbia had a gift necessary to be a porn actor (wood on demand) he'd probably live in Hungary or Italy, shooting movies and not even thinking of returning to Serbia. Former military/war criminal now drug lord or smth. similar is a sick psychopath? Huh, this is another Serbian movie classic. You see, in post 2000 Serbian movies all war criminals are portrayed as psychopats (they must be shown as exceptions, not a rule). In reality, the real war criminals were mostly very intelligent and normal people were and still are percieved as distinguished members of their respective communities. He is a drug lord or smth.? That's would not be accurate either, as the real criminals of today Serbia have had nothing or little to do with the war(s) of the nineties. You see, the war(s), which were mostly Serbia's own fault, are used as excuse for everything that's wrong. With the rest of the assumed "plot" I could agree except that the war criminal/drug lord would kill everyone at the first sign of trouble. In general, the whole ordeal is completely stupid, because whatever they are filming in Belgrade during the movie, you could get something in, let's say, Albania, six times more fucked up for half the money. In general, don't fall for this shit, it's another pathetic excuse of a movie coming from people who in general are trying to get their quasi educated butts in hollywood chairs. The difference between them and their ex porn actor star is that they'd, after their career goes down the drain, really return to Serbia and brag about their alleged success and maybe even make a real snuff film for someone, without being forced, just to keep their SUV running and thus their status in a fucked up society.There are so much more good films made in Serbia in the last 20 years that this shit does not even deserve being mentioned. Movies that boldly challenge themes and bravely state some very important things. Do not get caught in this "poor us" marketing combined with shock appeal. This is crap, pure crap coming from crap people.
April 10, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST
Cinematic horror is supposed to be dealing with more REAL stuff and real-life horrors and not just be a hollow escapist fare that many of you are very comfortable with-including torture-porn which this film most definitely is not...
April 10, 2010, 9 a.m. CST
by Dr. Egon Spengler
In all my years of coming to AICN, this has got to be one of the most disturbing and fucked up talkbacks I've ever read... Like most of you, I'm literally sick to my stomach after learning what this film is about... BUT, at the same time, I'm genuinely fascinated with humanity at how twisted and fucked up many of us are.
April 10, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST
Fuck this movie. Fuck the filmmakers! And FUCK YOU Harry for trying to present this as anything more than it is.
April 10, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST
...should kick the asses of all involved!
April 10, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST
April 10, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST
I was thinking along similar lines. They should either have someone ask at the end, "Damn, that's a crazy movie. What do you call it?" To which another person replies, "The Aristocrats!" Or they should just change the name of the movie to The Aristocrats! <p> Hell, maybe do both! Why not?
April 10, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST
In every facet of life there seems to be way too much "coulda" and nowhere near enough "shoulda". <p> Everybody just wants to push that envelope just a little bit further. They don't seem to care where they push it to. Just as long as they can say they pushed it. <p> To quote The Great Ernie - "Keep fuckin' that chicken!"
April 10, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST
Actually, I'm a VERY left leaning Liberal / Progressive and I find the subject of a baby-rape in a film...especially this piece of garbage, revolting and beyond what you..in your pedo-sympathetic mind find to be "art." There's a very good reason why child pornographers and molesters have a life expectancy measured in MINUTES in prison in any part of the world- even criminals recognize filth.
April 10, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST
can be a bitch.
April 10, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkt1X24ASRY&feature=player_embedded (delete the spaces. I can't be bothered to use tinyurl).<p> Now you guys actually have something tangible to kvetch yourselves into a coma over.
April 10, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST
by King Psyz
Thanks for bringing in the reason into an unreasonable discussion... <p> As I mentioned in the now locked down thread in the Zone, these asshats are the equivilant to rich white kids from Beverly Hills buying a NWA record and all of the sudden feeling the burden of the ghetto plight... while driving dad's AMG Mercedes. <p> I can't understand how anyone can use the "well of course it's a puppet and not a real baby" argument. It doesn't matter. They're still trying to convey that a child is born and immediately raped to death for ENTERTAINMENT... This isn't about the plight of Serbia, this is about torture pornographers finding a way to legitimize their genre by tacking on the analogy in the press. Like macakpacak said, they're hoping 5 minutes of raging hyseteria at their film will bring them the remaining 10 minutes to cash in. <p> For Harry to not only endorse the film, but encourage screenings is not only insane but irresponsible. People will find a way to see it and get off on being able to "handle" such extreme film. Fine whatever, but don't compare this kind of expolitative shit that needs infanticidal rape to get it's point across to actually well crafted movies that skirt those edges of extreme and when they do cross over it has a shocking effect. And surely don't recomend a movie like this without prefacing what one can expect, and then play it off to semantics when it's brought up.
April 10, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST
Maybe we do not need your empathy. The film is just making you reveal yourselves. How much most of you are ignorant and not even trying to see under the surface.. You are all cuddled up in you chairs with your big asses and you call yourselves art lovers or movie lovers?? So strange... I am just telling you, do not watch the movie, if you do not want to. THAT IS O.K. If you wanna listen to Harry, if you trust him (as I see you do not) wait until you take a look. So simple. This movie has made me a better person. This movie gives you everything what has had to be thrown at your faces long time ago. But, as I may conclude, there is no difference among people around the world.. Same shit. And when you feel unsafe, or scared to be revealed, this is how you all react. The same. Bravo, bravo, bravo.
April 10, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST
"After seeing the trailer again... I'm even more convinced that this movie was made for the sake of torture porn"<p>Funny how many people have decided exactly what this flick is without ever seeing it...
April 10, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
April 10, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST
will succeed in bringing people together in intellectual communion to discuss the filmmakers' expression of their "deepest and most sincere feelings about how strongly we feel violated." (from the Fangoria interview)
April 10, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST
schmentertainment-ok, if you are capable of perceiving films only as entertainment, then entertainment this is not. Cinema is not there to necessary comfort you, cant you realize that?
April 10, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST
by King Psyz
“It was never an intention to shock [with that moment], but only to express our deepest and most sincere feelings about how strongly we feel violated,” Spasojevic insists. “This baby represents us and everyone else whose innocence and youth have been stolen by those who are governing our lives for purposes unknown. In this scene, we only painted a literal metaphor of how we feel. This image is so extreme that it actually defames violence and nullifies it at its core.” <p> You disingenuous fuck, if you belive the shit you're shoveling you're worse off than the hardcore trolls here... And if you don't think in the not too distant future your cast and crew involved in that scene don't find themselves waking up screaming drenched in their own urine you're deluding yourself.
April 10, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST
on this site. At this point, I think people who have no interest in the film should just stop thinking about it and discussing it, especially because most of you haven't seen it. What's the point of getting yourselves so worked up and sick to the stomach? Look on the bright side: this movie seems so incredibly fucked up that Eli Roth will more than likely realize that making a Hostel 3 at this point would be pointless.
April 10, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST
No, this movie isn't about "Mr. Christian Conservative" or "Ms. Islamic Radical" or "Dr. Progressive" or any other broad brush you're attempting to paint. It's about a bunch of pedo-lovers (yourself include) who are attempting to sell filth masked as a political statement. Oh, and most of us talk-backers are liberals, dumbass. We just recognize garbage when we see it. Whatever the political affiliations.
April 10, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST
...to bad Bill CLinton can't come back for a 3rd term to bomb these greasy shitbags some more. Bill Clinton: the only president in over 60 years to bomb white people! Anyway, anyone who goes to see featuring a baby being raped is and should be held criminally liable, and, in some areas of the USA (Texas) probably will be. Hope you don't end up having to toss some cholo's salad for 25-to-life Harry.
April 10, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST
Im a proud lib and quite honestly some of elements of Saw and Hostel I think are well done BUT if what Im reading is true, than this has crossed a line that shouldnt be crossed. its as simple as that. You can get your political or sociological point across without depicting the rape and murder of a baby. Thats just a line that you dont cross. Quite honestly, any graphic depiction of violence or sexual abise to a young child or a baby should be a criminal offense.
April 10, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST
by King Psyz
I guess I am done with the zone since it seems a large portion of the staff has become pedo-curious and can't handle anyone having an issue with this film sight unseen yet they seem content with promoting it and praising it's value as art, sight unseen... <p> I went to change my email settings to not get mail from the zone anymore and it made my account inactive so thanks for just shy of 5 years of mostly pedo free fun. AICN can eat a dick on top if that. <p> You'll have to get page clicks and ad pays for your snuff porn somewhere else big red...
April 10, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
All the defenders say see it before you judge it. They also say it has a right to exist and if you don't like this sort of thing, don't see it. Well, which is it? See it or don't? I think most are sickened by this, realize they won't want to see this, and are trying to warn those who think they might want to see it simply based on Harry's vague review what they will be exposing themselves to. Context or not, some of us don't want to be exposed to images like this for our own personal reasons. The filmmakers have a right to make it, I have a right to stay away. I also have a right to tell others they might want to stay away as well. If you wan to go, go. Only you can judge that for yourself, but go in with open eyes before you waste $10 on a ticket to see "the best film of the year" and find yourself walking out in need of therapy.
April 10, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
...how much that Heidi Pratt chick after all that surgery looks like the blonde puppet from Team America? (Sorry, just thought it was time for one of those great AICN Talkback non-sequitors. )
April 10, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST
My first reaction was don't get so upset but as being upset is part of the issue that'd be poorly worded. How about don't react so drastically. I rather had the impression that the largest part of people chiming in was somewhere in the middle. Sure things got a bit heated along the way but now that everybody had their say that's no reason to break your tents.
April 10, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST
by King Psyz
When I changed my email preferences it made my account inactive, so I took it as a sign my time is done there. Plus the locking of the thread because the poor baby mods couldn't handle being on the wrong side of an argument, and then continuing to post in said thread said a lot more than I could going rounds with TW. Then it gets reopened and they state that unless you want to promote it or discuss it's merits sight unseen you had better have seen the movie or you're not allowed to bash it.
April 10, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST
you've invested 5 years of your life- and a whole lot of time making some awesome GIFS- into. After reading that interview and looking at the trailer, I almost think this movie is a fucked up Onion spoof about European directors who make the most dour, disgusting shit and pass it off as a statement. I know that this is definitely not my kind of movie, anyway. I like cuddly '50s romcoms starring Marilyn Monroe, not this... While I do think it's "healthy" to watch challenging stuff every now and then, this director clearly looks like just another entrepreneur who's making a quick buck by writing a list of what everyone else has had the decency not put on film and then doing just that.<p> I think the vast majority of the Zone- moderators included- is probably with you. Don't think that moderators are anything more than spambot killers.<p> Anyway, it's your choice what you do, but you'll be welcomed back with open arms if you decide to change your mind.
April 10, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
No one praised or promoted the film, some of us were just withholding passing judgement until we could base that judgement on context, whilst your point of view is certainly valid and understandable I don't see the need to throw your dummies from the pram and call those of us who didn't automatically condemn the film Pedo's. If anyone wants to see a newborn getting raped for titillation then they have a serious problem, I didn't read anyone saying anything like that in the Zone.
April 10, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
There is no "they," I think the thread should remain open and that the discussion should carry on as it was already, if that's what people want. <p> I don't know why/how your account got deactivated, I will have a look into right now and hope you will come back ASAP.<p> Also, TBers are a bunch of pussies, suck it you cunts!
April 10, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST
but I think it's mostly because of the music. Serbian dubstep? I wish I knew what dubstep was. It just sounds like really awesome and dark electronic music to me.
April 10, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST
by King Psyz
I have a lot of respect for you two and a lot of other zoners. <p> I don't like being told I can't debate the negatives of a project sight unseen on a film because some mods are into exploitation flicks... <p> If that was a rule I missed, the Transformers threads, the Batman threads, hell the freaking Scott Pilgrim thread all need to be culled and locked. <p> It seems when I put in a dummy email address it self banned me, so oh well. As the great poet George Clinton once said "Two tears in a bucket, Fuck it, what you gonna do about it?" <p> If John and Tony think that I arguing the questionable ethics and existance of a film that needs grotesque exploitation for exploitation's sake is trolling then back to my bridge I go where I can happily club pedos silly enough to try and cross I guess. <p> I see that after looking further, you found the same things as I, two hucksters looking to cash in on controversy and torture porn. Hope you fare better than I. <p> And for any doubters, I have no problem with edgy film making, or with a little over the top gore/exploitation. It may all not be for me, but it's usually honest with itself that it's shock value entertainment and not high art or political/social commentary. I loved movies like 1984 and Clockwork Orange. I have the Vengance series in my queue on netflix, I plan on seeing Kick Ass opening night. Because I don't equate having a obviously fictional 12 year old in a fictional setting gutting gangsters like Beatrice in Kill Bill to having a character witness a baby born, and then raped to death to be cinematic equals... <p> A few zoners have my email/faceybook if you want to see how the movie theatre plans are coming along... Peace out.
April 10, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST
Sounds like a guy who is trying to justify his exploitation of the scenarios that he created, not a guy who really had something to say. I could be wrong, but he sounded like a guy with no real point.
April 10, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST
You know damn well that most of the comments here are not simple warnings about what viewers would be exposed to if they see this film. There's a world of difference between saying "Hey, I've heard this film has some pretty sick shit in it, such as..." (or deciding not to see it yourself) and handing down judgment, not only on the very content you have decided not to see, but the people who choose to see it and judge for themselves. The problem with this detail coming out is that people have an instant idea in their heads of what this image is and how much is shown and what it means, and once that idea manifests itself, nothing - most likely not even seeing the image for yourself - can change that. And that wouldn't be so big a deal except that these ignorant self-invented "facts" make their way around the internet until they are taken as real facts. But all of that still pales in comparison to the judgments being made about actual people - people who have done nothing more than express a curiosity about seeing this film and the context of these controversial images for themselves, or people who have simply defended others' right to do so. Or, worst of all, the judgments about people who have already seen for themselves and express an opinion that does not contain a call for the filmmakers to be boiled in oil. I'm not sure you realize what an insult it is to be told that you "love abortions and hate babies" or that you are "pedo-curious." If you don't want to see the movie, fine. If you want to warn people about what you've heard regarding why *they* might not want to see it, fine. But if you have not seen it, please stop talking about its contents, what they mean, and what kind of people the filmmakers and people who *do* see this film are.
April 10, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST
there are a few people here telling us to withhold judgement until we SEE this film, right? Isn't that why we have film reviewers to give us a heads-up on the movies out in the first place? In this case, most reviewers who have seen the film are telling us EXACTLY what are instincts are telling us...it shows a baby-rape and there is no justification or rationalization for putting it in the film in the first place. Harry, on the other hand, is encouraging us to see a film depicting a baby-rape. Why is that, Harry? And why are you silent on the overwhelming response against this piece of garbage in the first place?
April 10, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
I still think the video-in-a-movie the characters are watching that depicts this act came from a Planned Parenthood office party. Discuss.
April 10, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST
Couldn't agree with you more.
April 10, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
Point is that to fully understand the point of this movie one has to have a wider insight in the Serbian film industry and realia in the last 20 years. The argument "we want to show how deeply we were abused" is a recurring theme in Serbian movies in the last two decades. In this case it's actually an excuse for placing a shockingly brutal and movie in front of an geek audience and create buzz that will/could eventually bring them a chance to go bigger. If that's not exploatation (literally) than nothing is. It's a subversive scheme of hiding behind the troubles of a country (using them as an excuse) to obtain acclaim for something so vile that it belongs in a courtroom not in a movie theater. It's a scheme already used several times by authors in Serbia, but this time they went too far, as their intention creates a severely negative impression. I mean, it doesn't matter if it is a puppet or not, it's an act so vile that it repulses even the most hard stomached. That's what bothers me, that a bunch of shitheads (and living where I live, I know the kind quite well) will show something no one in his sane mind would in order to gain attention and hide behind "alegory", "metaphor" or "artistic freedom". As said, the problems of a society like Serbia can be shown quite well w/o all said shit with newborns. The problem is that to do that one has to be a talented writer and director and there are many examples of that in Serbia. Unfortunately, fucks like these have the spotlight. Believe me when I say that all of this is just for shocking in order to get attention (money) and brag and rub it in the nose of everyone in Belgrade. I know the kind. There's not an "a" of artistic in all of that and not a "s" of social commentary.
April 10, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST
settings and unbanned you. Just figured I'd give you a heads up. Peace.
April 10, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST
The trailer for this was pretty good, the hook of a former porn star getting back into that industry with a project that will pay greatly but he cannot know what he will have to do sounds good. Based on that synopsis it sounds like a good horror/thiller.
April 10, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST
continuing on from the previous post I'd like to point your attention to another recent Serbian movie that has no shocking in-your-face moments but gives a clear and very neat insight in the Serbian reality. It's a work of Srdjan Dragojevic (not to be confused with the director of this crap) called St.George kills the dragon. It's a completely different movie that deals with the same theme: why is Serbia so fucked up as it is at the moment and it gives good and disturbing answers w/o the need to shock. Being a work of real "art" it has not been handled as the crap we're TBing here but shown on major and minor festivals across the world with great succes. Other Dragojevic's works have also had the same themes. These movies have been brutal and graphic but never vile. Point is that one can give a commentary and make an entrataining movie at the same time, only has to be truly talented to do so. In perspective, if the creators of Serbian film wanted to deliver a message (which I, as previously said, doubt, or, better yet, don't believe at all) they could have done it w/o the need of eye fucking, blood gaging, child raping and what other depravities they inserted in this crap. Only to do so they'd have to have talent, which they don't have. The screenwriter of this movie is responsible for Carlston za Ognjenku,one of the worst movies in the history of Serbian (and wider) cinema. All of the "they are talented authors" TBers here should see that movie also to get a clear idea who these guys are. This film is actually an expansion on a short he did a number of years ago BTW. As per the technical quality of ther movie, well even Uwe Boll makes movies that look neat and nice, right?It's shit. May be wrapped in a nice paper with cuddly bears but it's still shit.
April 10, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST
- I won't BRAG that I survived it or anything like that, that's pretty ridiculous. I'm a MOVIE lover..first and foremost...I don't watch shit like Faces of Death or real life bullshit like that, but I am interested in stories, and it doesn't matter if they probe the darkest pit of the human soul and make me feel horrible. It has nothing to do with BRAGGING about anything, it has to do with facing and looking at life from perspectives and places I'd normally not think about. For me, the best horror films show us some kind of terrible truth about ourselves. I'm not here to defend the movie, or say it's RIGHT, but I am saying it's JUST a movie, I won't judge it until I see it and I'll watch it because it sounds insane and an experience that'll affect me profoundly. Again, saying it's horrible because it actually happens is silly, because all the horrible shit in movies actually happens, someone is getting shot right now, but that won't stop you from watching the next big action movie that comes out where hundreds of people get shot, or the next war movie that comes out. I honestly have a feeling the "baby rape" scene everyone is so excited about is barely in the movie and I'm sure the main character will be just as disgusted he should be, this sounds more than anything like a deep dark journey into hell. As for Harry, if he says the movie is one of those movies that start shit and freak people out...and that it's a decent movie to boot, well that's his opinion. Thank goodness it's a free country.
April 10, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST
-they are pretty spiffy...
April 10, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST
And remember something: this is a movie. It's not real. It may depict something that I personally find to rot on the bottom shelf of my deepest distaste, but it's still just a movie. And another thing: about the 'baby rape': why is this any different or somehow more horrible than watching some mutated cavemook assrape a female National Guard soldier in "Th Hills Have Eyes 2" or watching the teenagers get raped and murdered in "The Last House On The Left"? Because it's more graphic? Because, it happens to someone much younger? Let's all take a moment to consider the hypocrisy of getting all up in arms about this one thing and not everything else. Rape is disgusting regardless of age. We don't blink at Freddy Kruger slaughtering teenagers by the dozen, but somehow because it's a prosthetic baby we're now splitting hairs? I'm calling bullshit on the lot of you. I'll bet you anything that everyone here currently shitting themselves with indignation has at one point sat happily through a horror movie or action film or any other movie where people are killed with absolutely no thought to the moral ramifications of what those deaths represented. I'm willing to bet that you've laughed and cheered death on-screen before. I know I have. So pull your heads out of your asses and realize that despite however disgusting or horrible the SPECIAL EFFECTS in this film are, when you boil it down to it's barest essence, IT'S JUST A MOVIE AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER MOVIE. Freedom of speech is all or nothing people and this is a work of fiction and no one was actually harmed to make it. Keep that in mind. If it's something that you'd rather not expose yourself to, then just don't watch it. I don't plan to watch this movie EVER. I think the entire concept is about as appalling and disgusting and intolerable as films get and I don't need that kind of shit in my head. But, you'll never hear me calling for a WORK OF FICTION to be banned. It may be disgusting. It may be wrong. But, at the end of the day, it's fiction and these filmmakers regardless of what I think of them as people, have their right to present their work for our consideration. If you find it as offensive and disgusting as I do, then your answer is simple: don't watch it. All you're really doing by bitching and moaning and getting all pissed off is playing into the hype machine that is slowly turning this movie into the must-see horror film of the year.
April 10, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST
The POINT of all of this is that Harry is a bloated dick and nothing more. This was done to generate controversey and lots of posts in the talkback because Harry wants to feel important...like his supid reviews and thoughts MEAN something
April 10, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST
Of course "cinema is not there to necessary comfort you" but even the most disturbing film has to have some sort of redeeming value. This POS has none.
April 10, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST
I agree with you. But also, I think it's all about context and the intent of the author. Mark Millar can be a decent writer (he's the dude who came up with the concept for Kick-Ass) but his last issue of Ultimate Avengers, #5 I think it was, was just trash. It opened with a scene of the Red Skull holding a newborn baby, shooting it in the head (off-panel), and then tossing it out an apartment window (depicted in a panel). I don't think that kind of thing should be censored or not depicted in comic books, but the way Millar handled it was obviously just a tasteless "look how big my balls are" kind of shock value. What was the easiest, cheapest way for him to show that the Red Skull is evil and that the Ultimate universe is somehow "darker and edgier" than the regular Marvel universe? Apparently kicking a dog wasn't enough so Millar had him toss a baby out a window. It's pointless. At least with something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which I love, you have context: post-Vietnam rage. Perhaps that's the case with Serbian Film, and they're using this as a way to express their anger with their country. Or maybe it's tasteless crap like Millar. But like you said, it's only a movie/nobody was actually hurt or raped filming it. And, really, we've SEEN this kind of thing BEFORE, just not quite this extreme a depiction.
April 10, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST
What you americans call liberal/progressive bears little resemblance to the same definiton form the rest of the world. compared to the rest, american liberalism is little different from conservatism, only slightly less obvious. However, american liberalism/progressive has one thing in complete communality with american conservative: they can't restrain themselves from censoring anything, everything that is not according to their santicmonious dogma.
April 10, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST
let's put this in perspective for a moment. Moviegoer X goes to see this film. On the outside he's our average Joe Geek, nothin' special 'bout him. In the dark corner of his mind he has ideas. Being a well raised kid and basically skilled in right vs. wrong he supresses them. Sees this film. Sees a infant being raped. Thinks. Thinks "Well, there's at least one more person in the world who has the same ides as I do." Thinks some more. Thinks "I'm not alone." Comes home. Turns on the computer. Starts searching. Finds various stuff. Thinks. Thinks "Maybe it's not an infant but what the hell..." Starts thinking harder and trying harder... Continues to live normaly on the outside. Few years pass. Strikes luck on Wall Street. Becomes rich. Finds a Crirterion deluxe extended Director's Cut edition of Serbian Film. Pops it into his Hyper definbition player. Watches. Picks up the phone. Says "Bobby, I have a job for you but be very carefull." I don't want to argue that it's just a movie but it's a dangerous one. Movies that show some things simply should not be made. The freedom argument fades to black compared to the possible consequences.
April 10, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST
I agree. That was disgusting and unnecessary. But, I wouldn't call the banning of it simply because I didn't like it. I just wouldn't read anything else by that author (which I don't, I think Mark Millar is the very definition of hack) again. And yes, the context in which something is presented is extremely important and maybe this film puts the act into a context that somehow makes it work. All I know is this: I won't watch it. I have no interest in seeing that happen to a baby. But, I'm not going to crap myself over a fictional film and it's incredible lack of taste because that's exactly what they want you to do. They're selling this film on shock value and instead of calling for it be banned, I would much rather it just failed financially and the assholes who thought it would be a good idea to put an infant being raped on film have a much harder time getting their next work of 'art' financed. Because, guys like this? They aren't filmmakers. They'll have to top themselves with their next 'film' and god knows what shape that will take.
April 10, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST
No, the freedom argument does not fade to black compared to the consequences. If anything it becomes more pronounced in face of the challenges having that kind of freedom presents. YOU CAN NOT START BLAMING THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY FOR THE ACTIONS OF DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS!!! Once you do, you're no better than the idiots who tried to hang Columbine on "The Matrix". I'm not saying that individuals DON'T get their ideas from films and books and TV, I'm just saying that those people were going to go bad regardless. Psychos are always going to be around. You could take every form of mass entertainment there is and make the world as sterile and free of stimulus as possible and people would still find a reason to indulge their worst impulses. Art reflects the society around us. Three weeks ago, a guy was arrested for doing the EXACT same thing that everyone is pissing themselves in this thread about to a three month old child and I'm pretty sure that guy never even heard of this film. Censorship is NEVER the answer.
April 10, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST
We are not talking about The Matrix, we're talking about a movie that shows openly that with enough money one can indulge whatever goes around in his head. Are we supposed to embrace and endorse any kind behavior because it exists around us? Art is the expression of one's perception of reality. I don't argue that. I argue that openly using behavior as the one depicted in this movie can create more of it because it gives the "psychos" can percieve it as a boost of self confidence. Their logic could easily go like this: someone else though about it, some more people wrote it, some more filmed it, some more watched it...hell, it may be ok, maybe I can pull it off w/o consequence. I'm just saying that this is no world for idealism.
April 10, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST
I have a hard time following that train of logic. I think the general consensus is that people who are sick and depraved enough to commit acts like this would do so with or without the influence of extreme cinema like Serbian Film. I don't believe that material like this pushes people over the edge. I've heard the same thing argued by James Dobson at Focus on the Family, that hardcore pornography is what pushed Ted Bundy into murdering people. It just leads to a slippery slope of censorship. Sure, I wish there was some kind of litmus test so that the whole people who saw Serbian Film were well-balanced enough to process what they're seeing without wanting to act it out, but that in itself is a form of censorship...and chances are, they're gonna do something illegal without the influence of foreign films.
April 10, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST
I'm aware of the slippery slope as you call it and I'm not for total censorship. Point is that things like these IMO have to be either not shown at all or, at least, shown with a equally hard dose of retribution inflicted w/o mercy. It becomes a severe problem when the outcome is morally ambiguous. A level of awareness has to exist, especially with pedophilia and similar problems, which are far more dangerous than "plain" violence. I don't agree that the depraved will do smth without influence of extreme external stimulation. The root of depravity (mental ilness) is exactly in the unability to distinguish reality, from imaginary. I may be wrong, but that's what I figure. Being from a country where I have personally witnessed the power of mass media and the horrors it can create I'm aware that a level of censorship must be applied in order to prevent later consequences. Also, there's the question of personal moral censorship, but that's smth that the creators of Serbian film should think about.
April 10, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST
by spud mcspud
...I have only one question:<P> What is the point of the existence of movie like this?<P> Phrased another way:<P> What does this movie add to cinema? And what do we gain by it being there?<P> If I need reminding of how shit life is out therem I'm sure it'd be easy enough to find. What I don't understand is why so many of you sickos out there are so eager to have so many of us "experience" stuff to make our perceptions of life more 'real', whatever that means. I KNOW that baby raping goes on out there - amongst other depraved atrocities - but I don't need to watch a movie to understand that. Why do you??
April 10, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST
Let me tell you something about Serbia. it is probably one of the most messed up countries in the world exactly because of mentality like this, they have a national delusion that they're being exploited by the West, it sounds to me like the film makers are trying to exploit this mentality and the same time shock everybody to make a name for themselves as a stepping stone to Hollywood. The producers are not only breaking criminal law on depiction of child sex abuse they're playing right into the fucked up national paranoia of the Serbs. And Harry is truly a piece of shit for not only condoning but actually promoting this movie.
April 10, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST
It's a movie folks, not real life and if that shit does happen in Serbia, well fuck what can we do?? I sure as hell don't live there...
April 10, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST
Sexual abuse of minors is a problem that is truly widespread in society. Viewing sexually violent images and movies, like violent porn, has been shown to facilitate deviant behavior later in life if one has a predisposition for that sort of thing.
April 10, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST
Now don't get me wrong, most Serbians are hardworking and sympathetic people, it's just a select few, like the movie makers that are using kiddie porn to make a political statement that are truly messed up in the head.
April 10, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST
for people who make movies like this. There's probably a beach chair next to them for the people that watch these movies and actually like them.
April 10, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST
On the contrary, the film is mostly depicting Serbs as the creators of their own tragedy and does so in the most emotional and tragic way...
April 10, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST
How do you know that the film has no reedeming value? Have you seen it? I think not. It struck me as a strong morality tale where, as opposed to most films these days, no deed really goes unpunished...
April 10, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST
Someone please call the police and/or the FBI in Austin and have them begin a criminal investigation regarding this screening. This particular example of shock cinema has crossed the line. Seriously.
April 10, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST
So I'm getting you're having a problem with the lack of....justice on display in the film? That the bad guys get away with it? One: we haven't seen it and don't know that's the case. Two: well, I'm not trying to be an ass here, but welcome to real life. The bad guys usually get away with it. But, like I said there's a certain amount of personal responsibility most of the posters in this thread are completely dismissing. If you don't want to support this film, THEN DON'T SUPPORT IT! Don't see it. Stop talking about it. Don't tell new people about it. These things do in fact just go away. In a few years this movie will be dumped in the same crap 'shock horror' bin as "Salo" and "Men Behind The Sun" and "Faces of Death" and every other movie some pretentious asshole thinks has merit because it goes places other films do not.
April 10, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST
Seriously? You should know that FICTIONAL and imaginary depictions of murder and rape are entirely protected under the 1st Amendment. It doesn't matter if the object of said fiction was a baby or not. Please stop suggesting our law enforcement agencies start policing free expression and instead insist they spend their time hunting down people who do this kind of crap for real.
April 10, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST
Yeah, someone should really start advocating the rights of puppets who are tired of being endlessly violated on the silver screen...
April 10, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST
I'm sure that it's been shown that violent imagery influences violence. You know what else has been shown to influence violence? BEING A HUMAN BEING. Stop trying to make a case for censorship based on the need for protection. That's the first step toward fascism.
April 10, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST
As you can see, there's a fairly heated reaction to this review. Now, I'm usually pretty unflappable, and not given to knee-jerk histrionics. However, I can understand the reaction here.</p> See, if not for the reactions on this talkback, I would not even know that A Serbian Film depicts (or implies - not sure) a baby rape. I do not want to watch a film with this depiction or implication. I just don't. I feel that this is the type of content that requires full disclosure, so that I can make an informed decision as to whether or not I will watch this film. I believe it is incumbent on reviewers and the filmmakers to fully disclose this information.</p> To be honest, I'd probably avoid it anyway, because I don't personally feel any motivation to explore themes of sexual violence through films. It's a horrible, ugly subject that isn't something that I go out of my way to be immersed in. I don't need that shit in my life. It's the same reason I have absolutely no desire to watch AntiChrist - it may be a well-made film, but it's a subject matter I can do without.</p> There is a long history of depravity on film, however baby rape does seem to be on a whole other level. If you tell me to expect extreme depravity and sexual violence in a film, I still would never imagine something this depraved. That's why I believe it is important that audiences are fully aware of what they are about to watch, so they are not subjected to such things against their will.</p> This, Harry, is partly your responsibility as someone with a loud voice and platform from which you have endorsed this as something that "demands to be seen" by the readers of this site, of which I have ben one for many years now. I think you may find yourself completely out of touch with your audience on this one.
April 10, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
I have no problem with it. He reviews movies and gives his impression of them. It's not a critic's job to spoil a film and in this case it's the (for lack of a better term) money shot. If you can't look at the trailer and decide if the film is right for you, then well....I don't know what to say. If you go thinking it's just going to be about a guy who gets roped into snuff porn and are expecting a bunch of violent sex and crap like that and then get all bent out of shape about the baby scene, well what does that say about you?
April 10, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST
Like I said, I'd avoid it anyway because I don't particularly like films about sexual violence. (I did see Irreversible and thought it was a very powerful film, though unpleasant).</p> However, I don't think it is too much to ask for full content disclosure, so that I can make an informed decision about what to watch. It's not hard to post a spoiler warning and say that the following information might be a deal-breaker when choosing to watch this film. We all have the right to have our decisions informed with full understanding of what we are engaging in.</p> Reading Harry's review alone would lead me to believe that this film might be worth watching, despite it's ugly themes and content. If not for the talkback, I wouldn't even know how far this movie goes.</p> And, believe it or not, most people do have a line they don't want to cross, even in this day of endemic desensitisation to violence. All I want is to be informed - is that really to much to ask?
April 10, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST
Well, apparently we're all informed about the content of this film, just not by Harry. I'm not looking forward to seeing this movie ever if I can help it, but who knows? It might actually be a good film and he wanted to preserve the experience. A good reviewer (and I'm not saying Harry is a good reviewer) does that. I'm just saying I don't think he should be given so much shit for not spoiling the film. Every other review I've read about it doesn't let on either.
April 10, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST
...is not to the review, but to the completely out-of-context detail someone felt the need to share with everyone. Not to mention the dozens of posts where people speculated about whether it was true and what the facts were. Most of the reviews I have read of this film do not mention this specific detail either, and I think that is a much more responsible line of action, personally. Most people can probably tell from the trailers and a fairly vague review whether or not this is something they want to expose themselves to, without knowing specifics. If you think including a scene of infanticidal rape in a movie is irresponsible, then so is dangling that bit of information in front of people who wouldn't have seen this movie anyway and could have gone their whole lives without knowing such things are conceivable by the human mind.
April 10, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST
No doubt, as news of this film's content gets out there - the "ban" wagon will get rolled out a lot. I don't support that. As free-thinking adults, we all have the right to choose for ourselves what we subject ourselves to.</p> However, I do believe that when it comes to content this extreme, people also have the right to know the extremity to which the filmmakers have gone, in order to make an informed decision. This is, to my knowledge, the first time this particular taboo has been depicted on screen, so even jaded audiences with an appetite for depravity would probably be unprepared for it. I'd suggest that anyone who thinks this is on the same level as other sexual violence depicted on film is being a bit naive. Especially give this is the first time this particular transgression has been visited upon audiences.</p> Personally, I may choose to watch a film with sexually violet content if I think it is not merely for exploitation or shock value (ala Irreversible), and that is how this film is being sold by people (SXSW audience) who had the filmmakers on hand to justify their decisions. However, the more I look into it, the more it seems that the filmmakers are exploiting these depravities and justifying it as allegory which they have no personal connection to (an allegory that is, apparently, so broad that without the filmmaker's personal caveat, would be near impenetrable).</p> When you need a filmmaker's caveat to justify that the depravity is justified by thematic depth and social commentary, then I see that as a fail on the filmmaker's part (or a disingenuous attempt to shock audiences through dishonesty).</p> So, if someone is going to say this film "demands to be seen" by audiences of this site, of which I am one, I can only assume that this film has some overriding social value that justifies this demand. Does it? I don't know, and I'l likely never know, but at the very least I suppose it raises some great discussion and highlights a curious line over which even the most jaded audiences seem reluctant to step over.
April 10, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST
have a few beers, and watch this at Harry's house. Afterwards, we'll all have a reasonable discussion about what we just saw. Or something.
April 10, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST
That's about the most uncomfortable idea I've heard all week.
April 10, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST
Damn, I almost forgot about that movie. That's like the one controversial film I can think of during the past 6 years that managed to NOT secure US distribution. But I think that was mostly because the one distributor likely to put it out - Tartan - had something of a major scuffle with Larry Clark. As in, Larry Clark punched the head of Tartan in the jaw.
April 10, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST
For those who have seen it, does it look at why Serbia is so fucked up. In the Balkans war clearly they were the most evil (no one is simply evil or good, levels of degree), the level of rape that was committeed by Serbian forces and supported is so horrific. Yes other Balkan nation commiteed atrocities but not to the same extent. <p> Lets be grateful that Serbia doesn't have the population, infrastructure etc that Nazi Germany had.
April 10, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST
I wanna see this shit. Am I a bad person like Harry?
April 10, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
guy, and doesn't like kids, but even he has to say this is inexcusable. the asshole who mentioned GTA can FUCK OFF! and the SKULLFUCK quote is from FULL METAL JACKET
April 11, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST
So, your taking the side of those people who create simulated child pornography? Great! Give yourself a gold star! You are truly enlightened. All of you in support of this 'film' are truly enlightened. Good for you!
April 11, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST
"Ha, ha! Look at 'em still babbling about a movie I didn't even like. Call those bitches at Sideshow Collectibles and tell 'em I'm DOUBLING their ad rates!"
April 11, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST
Maybe this film deserves to be released, if only to ignite debates, but I wouldn't sit through it. The baby thing is too much for me. This is one of the most passionate Talkback threads in a while, thank you all for contributing!
April 11, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST
he himself becomes a father.
April 11, 2010, 3:03 a.m. CST
by Happy Killmore
I'm not sure telling people there's a scene like this in the movie truly rises to the level of "spoiling" the effect of this film. Especially if all the defenders are downplaying the scene they way they are. It's certainly not on par with the guy coming out of the cinema in 1980 as I was standing on line for "Empire" who said, "Man! I cannot believe Darth Vader is Luke's father!"
April 11, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST
Thank God someone has finally pointed that out. W/O wanting to insult anyone, but it's easy to talk about this in terms of "artistic freedom" and 1st amandment and stuff when one's care and love and worry is pointed towards a figurine of baba fet or han solo or whatever. Having children changes your perspective and the way you percieve trash like this.
April 11, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST
So you say one seriously changes perspective on fictional accounts of babyrape when one becomes a parent? Thats like saying now whwn my kid started snorting cocaine i can never look at Scarface with a same set of eyes or something...
April 11, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST
Showing something is not necessarily glamourizing it, and watching something does not mean your moral compass has been smashed...
April 11, 2010, 5:30 a.m. CST
as said, having children changes one's perception of trash like this.
April 11, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST
No I haven't seen it and never will. After reading the interviews with the filmmakers I personally feel they are full of shit and added the scene in question for pure shock value. Any redeeming value the film might have is wiped out completely by the inclusion of one scene that crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed simply because it's there TO BE crossed.
April 11, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST
having children resorts you to watching only Basket Full Of Puppies video-channel with them and sucking on baby-food while changing diapers...
April 11, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST
Inclusion of that scene was absolutely vital of the plot and the idea of the film, which deals with destruction of the innocent by the fascist authority that grounds the whole nations existence to shit and pornography while grinding kids into the war machine.
April 11, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST
But it does not mean that you automatically categorize this particular movie - which, again, most people commenting here have not seen (nor, in full disclosure, have I) - as trash. The most thoughtful and positive review I've read of this film so far has been from a parent of two young children. Who, by the way, did not mention the specifics of the scene in question either.
April 11, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST
April 11, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
April 11, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
I just don't want anybody to go see it. <p> Just pretend it's Uma Thurman's Motherhood.
April 11, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST
Interesting analysis, about the plot: "Vukmir Vukmir is this movie's Satan, the ruiner, constantly seducing Milos down the road to a self-made Hell. It's a great role, and (Sergej Trifunovic) tears it up. He's gleeful because he genuinely believe in his artistic mission. He's doing something significant. He's saving Serbia with depravity..." "And it's disturbing to see the way Milos is lured down the rabbit hole, the way his moral compass is reset to a new north each day." Hmmm...
April 11, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST
Sorry - credit where credit is due!
April 11, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST
There are three reasons why i laugh with these films:<br /><p>REASON 1<br /><p>I know that in real life,the Man is the only twisted Beast in the whole universe,capable of a lot more monstrous things than even the wildest imagination of the creators of such films can dream of.<br /><p>The worldwide history of Man has proved that inside him lies the Darkness (Evilness,psychopathy,idiocy,call it as you wish,you get my point),from the biggest event to the smallest one,from Nazism and its concentration camps,to that father who had imprisoned and was raping his daughter for 20 years,from Vietnam war to 9/11,from ancient slavery to the child prostitute in the 3rd world countries,from the fanatic muslims who cut the genitals of their women because their god says so,to the fanatic christians who kill each other because their god is cooler from the other,and so on,and so fucking on,the examples are countless.<br /><p>So when i watch such movies with their "deep meaning",i perceive them only as what they really are:a movie,a work of fiction,actors acting,director directing,cameraman filming,a FAKE thing,an inferior imitation of what the real world is about.<br /><p>And since i know that the movie is just a movie because the real world is a lot worse place than what the movie shows,i react to it accordingly: i view its shocking scenes as a mean of pure entertainment,i consider what i see as fun,comedy,joy,entertainment,i will applaud the good use of sfx and make-up and the well done performances of the actors,i will congratulate the director for his good entertaining direction and the cameraman for the good camera work.<br /><p>Why should i not react with laughs when watching such movies? after all they are only ...movies,its not the real world right? <br /><p>REASON 2:<br /><p>I enjoy the irony of this world.What irony exactly? well i will give an example.People praise and award a movie where a baby is being raped to death,because this kind of movies supposedly contributes to the society,they awaken the consciousness people,they inform them that the world that they are living is a fucked up place and make them more sensitive in order to do something about it.right....<br /><p>But at the end of the day,what REALLY happens is this:<br />The traffic of aicn rises a bit since the talkback of the movie is very hot right now which brings a few more dollars to Harry's wallet,the creators of the film gain recognition which helps their career,the film critics showcase their "superiority" against the public which does not get the artsy flicks like them,and the viewers of the film,well,regardless of their initial reaction to the film,the next day their only concern will be what to have for dinner and where to go to fuck some pussy.and life goes on,except that somewhere in this fucked up world,a baby was,is or will be raped to death for real...<br /><p>thats the irony.And i love this irony.And when i laugh with these films,i laugh with this irony that they represent.Because at the end of the day,its not about art,and civilization,and "waking up",and understanding,and knowing,and doing.Its only about myself,yourself,himself and fuck the rest of the world.thats what it is all about.<br /><p>REASON 3<br /><p>my depression has made me immune to the atrocity of such films.A fake depiction of a baby being raped? so fucking what? it wont make my fucked up life worse or better after i see the scene.It wont make me more sad about how fucked up this world is,since i am already very sad about this.Whats the point to start thinking about it,i mean the real situation in the world and not what happens in the movie,since i am incapable to make a difference to this world? babies are raped and killed all the time,and still here we are talking about a film rather than the real world.get my point? i hope you do.<br /><p>So no its not about me pretending to be cool.i am not cool.i am sad.and what better cure to sadness than laughing? thats my philosophy.if you cant change anything to the better,instead of crying about this,try to laugh.at least your self will have a good time.
April 11, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST
I have no problem with people expressing disgust at something they find disagreeable, or questioning the reasons behind the purpose of such "art," but some of you guys must get off on your own sense of moral superiority. File criminal charges against theaters that show this? FUCK RIGHT OFF, you unbelievably self righteous fascist. Go ahead and condemn and protest and boycott to your heart's content, I'm sure Tipper Gore will be so proud, but the second you start telling me I'm a bad person for just daring to venture outside YOUR comfort zone to judge something on it's own (debatable) merits, I'm going to regard you as the small minded moral busybody you have demonstrated yourself to be, and cease to give your opinion any weight beyond that of the average wild-eyed leaflet-spreader on the corner trying to convince the world that it's their divine right to impose their narrowly defined moral code on the rest of the population. <p> Left or right-wing, if you bleat on about "small government" and then promote for-your-own-good censorship against things with which you merely disagree, you're a lower form of shit than anyone whose only sin is to create a deliberately offensive movie. Get over yourselves.
April 11, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST
...when he says we should watch movies over a few beers and debate their merits, or the lack thereof. Perfectly reasonable. But since we're having this discussion on the internet, the humanity and camaraderie is removed from the situation, and we are reduced to disembodied abstracts that perceive only antipathy and immediately go straight for each others' jugulars, rather than engaging in respectful human interaction and actually considering the other person's viewpoint before offering our own. <p> Isn't it great how the internet has truly brought people together? As long as they don't dare to express any disagreement with you. It's as depressing to recognize it happening to oneself as it is to see it in other people.
April 11, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST
To make himself seem cool. That block of text above is rationalizing that he's laughing at a sick movie, by himself, so he can go on the internet and say to complete strangers that he laughed at a sick movie. Real simple.
April 11, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST
Yes, I advocate drawing censorship line in the sand at simulated child pornography and rape. That's fascism? A free society does not equate to an anarchist society that has no decency boundaries. By the way, any charges should be against the filmmakers, and I think this film screening at least warrants an investigation by authorities. And those film labs that burned the prints TWICE for not "understanding" what it was they were seeing...if only the lab technicians were as enlightened as Harry! They ought to be given a raise as far as i'm concerned.
April 11, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST
*Serbian Film, When Plain Ol' Anal Rape Isn't Enough*
April 11, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
..are probably happening somewhere in the world right now. And have most likely been commited in a thousand wars. Humans.
April 11, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
who gives a fuck?
April 11, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST
the cancer of the planet
April 11, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST
There is no way in hell that you'd actualy answer this question straight but I gotta ask anyways. Do you get off on starting shit in the talkbacks? Posting stuff to make people think you're some deviant that sides with guys like Roman Polanski and loves movies that simulate violent rape and over all violence against women and children? Or do you REALLY enjoy watching simulated rape and torture of men,women,children,animals,and so forth? I'm not coming out against movies and shit that I don't like. In those cases i just dont watch them.It's not a big deal. But to endorse that shit? You're either trying to start shit in the talkbacks for a laugh or deep down you're really into that kind of stuff. Just clear it up for us cause I don't want to be registered on this site if you've got kids chained up in your basement.
April 11, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST
She must be humiliated to be wed to suck a sick piece of shit.<p> Fuckin' A, what the hell does your Dad think about you?
April 11, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST
You should join one of those groups that meet in the park and just stand around affecting laughter to make themselves feel good. Then, in the middle of the laughing session, bring up baby rape. You know, just for laughs. </p>
April 11, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST
It's not art. It's not a political statement, and it doesn't reveal anything about liberal or conservative philosophies. It's cheap shock value dreck with no redeeming qualities. Next.
April 12, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST
you must clarify it:<br /><p>should i bring this up as an real example,a thing that somewhere has indeed happened,of how fucked up the real world is OR<br /><p>should i bring this up as a scene of a movie who is considered art because of this scene?<br /><p>well my boy?
April 12, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST
Fuck that. I once used to argue that everything Andy Warhol did was not art but then I realised that any creation that can make people ponder it and talk, be it good or bad, is deemed art. You don't have to like it but if it garners an extreme reaction in people (and this film has provoked thoughtful discussion without any having seen it) it's usually worth seeing. Every generation needs it's Piss Christ!
April 12, 2010, 7:31 a.m. CST
I hate those douches who self promote on this site, but I wrote an article about this film recently, looking back at the history of extreme cinema. So my shameless self-promotion is at least halfway relevant. <p> http://hyperbolemachine.com/2010/04/12/red-celluloid-a-look-at-the-extreme-in-cinema/
April 12, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST
Did you all get your period at the same time? The most hysterical reaction to a Harry review yet!! You are all retards and a mean that as a compliment ;O)
April 12, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST
baby rape, but sadly you would be wrong.
April 12, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST
What is Art? does a shocking scene in a movie justifies the characterization of the movie as artistic,because it causes discussions,reaction etc from the general movie audience and film critics?<br /><p>I dont want continue since this subject is really big and its discussion never ends,but i will only use my favorite argument : what is more artistic the 'Singing in the Rain' rape scene in Clockwork Orange or the realistic rape scene in Irreversible?<br /><br />
April 12, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST
Should a movie made solely to shock and disturb be assigned artistic merit? Is David Blaine in a suspended cube art? Is a real life Youtube video that goes viral and sparks conversation art? The problem is that art continues to be undefined and boundless, and as such the label is easily exploitable by those who are not necessarily motivated by artistry but by profit.
April 12, 2010, 8 a.m. CST
Not need to rain on everybody else's parade, just because you're not capable of serious discourse.
April 12, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST
Jerks who blurt out completely out of context details from a film they know nothing about simply to get shocked and outraged reactions, only to turn around and call the filmmakers of this film they've never seen irresponsible. At least the filmmakers put this atrocity into a context, whether you feel that context is sufficient or not. <p>Or why don't we unite against, you know, this shit really happening?
April 12, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST
its about the atrocities that happened during the Balkan wars with Serbia,etc.
April 12, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST
Serious discourse? This is aint it cool news not a presidential debate. Also hard to discuss something that 99% of people on here have yet to see!! Plug up your vaginas and take a chill pill ladies!
April 12, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST
Which is why I find all this outrage so bizarre. The very idea of this now infamous scene is traumatizing; just hearing about it is traumatizing (for me, at least). But what people don't seem to realize who haven't seen this film, haven't seen the scene in question in its proper context, and are reacting purely with their emotions, without sufficient information, is that by blurting out this spoiler over and over again, they themselves are the ones going for the cheap shock.<p>The filmmakers, on the other hand, have at least given it a context. Whether you think they're justified in that context is another matter. Whether you feel that including it at all is another matter, context or no.<p>Can you guys not see that continually talking about this one scene, completely divorced from its context in the film, is deplorable and damaging in and of itself?
April 12, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST
Go sue yourselves.
April 12, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST
Anyone can conjure up "context" to support any vile depiction. Go ahead, name any inhumane act (one worse than baby rape/murder, if you can), and I'll write up a story around it and give it the air of pseudo social relevance. <P>
April 12, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST
I don't even know exactly what the context is, because - like most of you - I haven't seen the film.<p>I'm saying that it's damaging to bring That Scene up by itself and with no warning whatsoever to an audience of readers, most of whom would never have gone to see this movie anyway and could have gone their whole lives without hearing about That Scene. This is why the smart reviewers, in my opinion, are not bringing it up. Because doing so does nothing - LITERALLY NOTHING - but shock and traumatize. And for people to do that and then turn around and call the filmmakers irresponsible is very, very rich indeed.
April 12, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST
...sound effects and specific shots, because that has even LESS to do with what we're talking about, and because ... you know, EW.<p>I'm talking about coming right out and saying "a guy rapes a baby" vs. saying "something happens that is so horrible you will be forever changed if you see it, and I can't even bring myself to type it." Surely everyone here can see the difference.<p>You can discuss the scene, as many reviewers have done, without bringing up what actually happens. Because the idea of what actually happens is not something you should have in your head unless you've made the decision to sit down and engage yourself with with the film and experience that horror on the filmmakers' terms - as part of a larger story featuring a laundry list of atrocities, not just this one. And by ignorantly mentioning what happens in that scene to other people who are just innocently going about their day and suddenly the phrase "infant rape" has entered their lives without their permission, you're doing damage, just the same as you're accusing the filmmakers of doing.<p>As to why the movie would need such a scene, that's probably something you can only really know by seeing the film. But judging from other comments I've seen from people who have, I think the extremity is the point. It's the line you can't cross, and I can't imagine the filmmakers don't know it. And you can't say or imply that the film doesn't earn that moment, because you have to see it and have some idea of *what else* is in the film to know that.
April 12, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
Lucas raped their childhoods, you'd think they wouldn't take have such a problem with this movie.
April 13, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST
by frank cotton
because if that scene had just popped up in my face, i would have been really pissed. i've seen a lot of fucked up shit, but i have no use for that in any context
April 13, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST
April 14, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST
Do you mind if I take it as a compliment though?
April 14, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST
...Ah, what the heck. Go for it! Carpe Diem Cuntada!
April 14, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST
Stir up shit and leave? Classic. You just wanted your dumb quote on the box like that piece of shit movie "Dead Girl". I think it's your goal to have a quote or blurb on some of the most vile shit made in the next few decades. "I just got in some DVD screeners, I've heard this one has lots of rape in it. I'll write a review".
April 14, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST
I think the intentions of a filmmaker are pretty clear when he premieres an extreme film with perhaps one of the (if not THE) most disturbing scene(s) in the history of commercial cinema at a film festival in the same hood as one of the (if not THE) Internet's most influential and highly-read online cinema repositories of (usually) no-holds-barred reviews and rumors. And in the same time frame, at least 3 different "red band"-style extreme trailers/reels for the film - at least one of which includes a shot of simulated child birth in between exceedingly violent and sexual acts (anyone care to do some basic math?) - are released online. C'mon.
April 14, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
that thought, gee, you know, just fucking any old baby to death doesn't seem extreme enough...
April 14, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST
I'd like to think Harry did this just to stir something up and create more traffic on his site. Harry - how the hell can you recommend such trash? Are you a closet pedophile? Harry - I hope you straighten your life out. Good riddance AICN - it used to be a great site but I don't need garbage like this in my life.
April 18, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST
I'm sure this is the sort of sick experiments the Nazi's would do. From the trailer the surgeon reminds you of a Nazi. If you uncovered footage of Nazi experiments would you watch them for entertainment?
April 18, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST
by birdy birdman
by Holeman Apr 10th, 2010 03:56:24 PM And remember something: this is a movie. It's not real. It may depict something that I personally find to rot on the bottom shelf of my deepest distaste, but it's still just a movie. And another thing: about the 'baby rape': why is this any different or somehow more horrible than watching some mutated cavemook assrape a female National Guard soldier in "Th Hills Have Eyes 2" or watching the teenagers get raped and murdered in "The Last House On The Left"? Because it's more graphic? Because, it happens to someone much younger? Let's all take a moment to consider the hypocrisy of getting all up in arms about this one thing and not everything else. Rape is disgusting regardless of age. We don't blink at Freddy Kruger slaughtering teenagers by the dozen, but somehow because it's a prosthetic baby we're now splitting hairs? I'm calling bullshit on the lot of you. I'll bet you anything that everyone here currently shitting themselves with indignation has at one point sat happily through a horror movie or action film or any other movie where people are killed with absolutely no thought to the moral ramifications of what those deaths represented. I'm willing to bet that you've laughed and cheered death on-screen before. I know I have. So pull your heads out of your asses and realize that despite however disgusting or horrible the SPECIAL EFFECTS in this film are, when you boil it down to it's barest essence, IT'S JUST A MOVIE AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER MOVIE. Freedom of speech is all or nothing people and this is a work of fiction and no one was actually harmed to make it. Keep that in mind. If it's something that you'd rather not expose yourself to, then just don't watch it. I don't plan to watch this movie EVER. I think the entire concept is about as appalling and disgusting and intolerable as films get and I don't need that kind of shit in my head. But, you'll never hear me calling for a WORK OF FICTION to be banned. It may be disgusting. It may be wrong. But, at the end of the day, it's fiction and these filmmakers regardless of what I think of them as people, have their right to present their work for our consideration. If you find it as offensive and disgusting as I do, then your answer is simple: don't watch it. All you're really doing by bitching and moaning and getting all pissed off is playing into the hype machine that is slowly turning this movie into the must-see horror film of the year.
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"Mouth attached to anus!", "baby raping!". It might be a sign of me getting old but I dont see the point of these movies..
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The point of the movie seems to escaped a lot of "fans", and it's basically being enjoyed because of its extremely violent scenes. But there is a point to this film, and while I keep reading reviews about it, it seems a lot of people haven't got a clue what it's about. HARRY doesn't seem to know, or he didn't thought it was worth talking about it in his extensive review. He seems to be blinded by the graphic stuff or the fact that is being banned in some theatres, and don't care too much about subtext. You can not enjoy this movie, unless your a kid or just sick.
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June 10, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST
by Semen Stains
I look forward to seeing this,thanks for spreading the word.I hadnt even heard of this until now.
Aug. 5, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST
......I think the review on the Bloody Disgusting website, is INFINITELY more accurate, and sums this beyond-fucked up film up.....end of!
Sept. 20, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST
Wow- such a debate. and as a long time reader i felt it was time to chime in on something i have experience in. 1) I am a parent of a 10 year old girl. 2) I work in cyber crime, specifically, child porn. I have seen baby rape- video and images- real ones. and they make my stomach turn no matter how many times i see them. 3)I will see this movie. why? because i want to to. until you've seen something that makes you physically sick, you cant judge simulated acts or try to judge those that watch them -even baby rape. I understand its a movie, i understand the moral and political implications. I enjoyed Irreversible, martyrs, inside and others, but understood them for what they were- movies trying to push buttons and shred the envelope. But to say a reviewer promotes baby rape or a viewer promotes it because they watch it is silly. trust me -theres worse real stuff out there thats actually happening. get off your high horses and stop judging or making this about politics. at least you have a choice whether to watch it or not. the actors choose to be in it. some victims don't have choices and to compare a movie to real child abuse is despicable.
Sept. 25, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST
While I haven't seen the film, and still haven't decided whether or not I want to, I find it amazing that so many people on here are getting so pissed off that Harry liked this movie. Even that he encourages people to see it! If you read more than one review about this film, you'll find plenty of people that say this film isn't for everybody. Hell, the trailer itself is 17+ and if you watch that you'll probably get a sense of whether or not you want to see it. If you don't want to see it, don't go see it, but don't damn the filmmakers who made it in an effort to make a socio-political commentary on the plight of the Serbian people, or the reviewers or movie-goers who appreciated what they were trying to say. I saw a comedy show one time where the comedian sang a (very funny) song about having sex with a baby. Yes, it was sick. Yes, it was twisted. Did I think this guy was advocating baby rape? No. Did I think he had actually raped a baby? No. Did I think anyone walking out of that theatre was so inspired by his song that they wanted to go rape a baby? No, not at all. Like that show, this is fiction. No babies were raped, no people skull-fucked to death, no teeth knocked out. It is a film that is supposed to make you feel disgusted and horrified at what the main character is forced to do. It's supposed to evoke pathos, and from what I have gathered from every review I've read up to this point, it's quite effective at it. If you don't want to watch the things depicted in the movie, don't go see it. Just please don't shit all over people that appreciated it or even advocate its release. Just as you have the choice to read about a horrible incident in the news (the man that ate his son's eyeballs out of his sockets, anyone?), but would still advocate its being printed, allow this movie to exist and be watched without throwing a fit that horrible things were depicted in it or lambasting the people that don't share your opinion.
Oct. 21, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST
so because a trailer has sex in it and, separately, has a birth scene, you've deduced that there is baby rape in the movie? Has it occurred to you that there is a law against even DEPICTING pedophilia in films released in the US? How would you manage to see this movie given those facts if it in fact had implied pedophilia (aside from the torrents)? Don't you remember the remake of Lolita? They had to edit the hell out of that thing because the law I'm referring to was passed before the film was released. I'll tell you what probably happens in that scene. She gives birth as a result of him having sex with her and then he has sex with her again and then, given the other content in the trailer, he probably chops her head off or something. All this is is the same old violence and sex thing which is, frankly, boring at this point. This category is the "Family Guy" of horror and I know some of you will take that as a compliment, but just keep that attitude up and see if we don't end up in "Idiocracy" at some point. This is quite literally "torture porn" in the extreme. It's just the natural progression from films like Hostel and Wolf Creek to last year's remake of Last House on the Left to this years remake of I Spit On Your Grave, and now we also have "A Serbian Film" in that category. It's just another one of those. big deal. Looks like a terrible time at the movies. I see nothing in this trailer that would make me want to experience this. There are far more harrowing experiences in film to be had without having to endure the sex & violence paradigm.
Oct. 21, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST
to that scene of the birth. Given just how outraged or grossed out or horrified some reviewers seem to be during this scene I'm guessing the baby is killed in some way. So here's what I don't understand. When did "Soul Destroying" become synonymous with "horror"? Even if the baby isn't killer or violated in some way it sounds like whatever happens is deeply affecting otherwise hardened horror fans. Why would I want to subject myself to that? There's so little in our world that actually connects us to other people and the value of life. I don't feel like killing a little piece of my soul with yet another movie scene like whatever happens here is something in which I want to participate. I truly hope these filmmakers, especially the writer, aren't rewarded with easy careers after this. They should be made to earn their way back into legitimate story telling. For all the buzz this movie sounds pretty lazy. It sounds like it's just a slightly more effective Saw Sequel.
Oct. 21, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST
A Serbian Film will be playing at our upcoming film festival at Portage Theater in Chicago on Saturday, October 23rd. http://www.horrorsociety.com/festivals/
Oct. 21, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST
I have never seen Salo, and it is now regarded by many (though not all) as an important film. For those of you who have seen both, is there a comparison to be made? A legitimate one?
Oct. 22, 2010, 7 a.m. CST
by kenneth campbell
I have been wading through the comments after watching the film last night and not really being sure how I felt about it as a movie. I went into this film knowing that it was shocking but assuming that was blood guts gore shocking and not the shocking I got, I find pedophilia, rape and violence towards women the hardest things to handle while watching a film and this gave all three and it was a massive shock to the system. but that was the films intention. firstly this is a brilliantly made film. its characters are tangible and it looks brilliant. but its contents are shocking to the extreme. it knows this and at no point in the film are you supposed to think this is anything other than abhorrent. the infamous baby scene is shown to demonstrate the depravity of the director. the main character is forced to watch it and is as disgusted as everyone else would be, im not even sure if this is the worst bit of the film. I found the very end scene the most shocking and the climax (sorry I really wanted to use another word) of the film deeply worrying as you can feel it building up and you cant stop it. the director says that he is trying introduce the feelings of repulsion to the people who have never experienced the horrors that the Serbian people have been through. I don't actually know if this is true or if he just wanted to make a shocking film. but it worked. it is horrible and shocking and it was utterly unpleasant. but it has genuinely effected me. I don't want to be involved in kiddy porn or be violent to women, I still hold the same core values that I had before the film. critic Scott Weinberg summed it up the best for me. he said "I think the film is tragic, sickening, disturbing, twisted, absurd, infuriated, and actually quite intelligent. I admire and detest it at the same time. And I will never watch it again. Ever."
April 7, 2011, 6:37 a.m. CST
I am all for shocking movies and I can appreciate something artistic and I do understand that what was presented in the movie is supposed to be a metaphor for the Serbian peoples treatment by their government but I feel the directors point could have gotten across just as well without making a film where a newborn baby is screwed to death. I am sorry but anyone who supports this film should find psychiatric help. It is a well made film otherwise but just the idea of that scene is the most horrifying thing known to man and anyone who has ever had a child I am sure will agree that it breaks my heart just thinking about it. I am a women who never cries at movies no matter how sad or happy they are but the scene of the poor newborn made me cry and shut off the movie. For those of you who make fun of this subject matter should be ashamed of yourself. Think of the mere idea of your newborn child being raped to death and tell me you think it is entertaining.
April 23, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST
but I watched this movie last night after seeing it on a random list of "fucked up" movies... It is indeed seriously fucked... but upon viewing, I actually agree with Harry that it is a very well told and well acted story. I didn't enjoy the experience, but I did like the movie. If you don't want to watch this because you're afraid about seeing a scene where the rape of a baby is implied, by all means, don't watch this flick... It certainly isn't for everyone, but don't post responses like you've seen it if you haven't... Hostel was torture porn and it was garbage. This, while containing incredibly disgusting and disturbing segments, actually tells a very good story. If you accept that it is a FILM and not true life, you can appreciate it for what it is. Getting angry about this is no better than getting angry at Marilyn Manson for his depravity (real or imagined) or Elvis for wiggling his hips. It's not torture for torture sake. It serves a purpose, and if you do watch this movie, there are some great sites with some very good analysis talking about this film as commentary on the Serbian culture and government that should be required reading after viewing to bring closure to the whole experience. Watching this movie is not something I recommend. You know what it is by now and you're either going to watch it, or not... But I certainly don't regret watching it, and I'm glad I did... It's not about being "tough enough" to sit through, it was just the scariest, most unsettling movie I've ever seen.
June 1, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
But I just saw A Serbian Film, and really didn't think it was very good. Not the most fucked up movie of all time, not a film that will destroy our values, and certainly not an amazingly made piece of art. I guess it didn't look cheap, and that's probably the most praise I can give it. Also thought that the lead actor was just okay (comparing him to De Niro is hilarious) and the villain of the piece was dreadful. Overall fairly pointless in my very humble opinion...
Sept. 8, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST
Idiot. Have you even read Lovecraft?
Dec. 14, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST
It is funny that people are so upset over the movie for the movie itself without looking at the message behind it. I consider myself a fan of many movies and did not find this movie as disturbing as I thought I would. I was able to see the movie for more than the shock value. I also feel that people should be allowed to view and make whatever they wish. After all, who is anyone else to tell another human being what is morally correct and ethical. The main character does not "fuck" a baby, although it does happen in the film. I would recommend the film to individuals who are able to see past the shock value the media has created and look at the movie for what it "says". Those that can watch a movie in this way will find it intriguing and thought provoking, and perhaps slightly unsettling. Although I did not.