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I am – Hercules!! “Jeff’s surprise game-changer will shock you,” promises the CBS promo voice. Rob Mariano lost again, this time at Russell’s hands. Is anyone left on either team devious enough to outplay Stubby McIdolfinder? The post-Rob landscape: HEROES Rupert Boneham Colby Donaldson Amanda Kimmel J.T. Thomas Candice Woodcock VILLAINS Sandra Diaz-Twine Danielle DiLorenzo Russell Hantz Jerri Manthey Parvati Shallow Coach Wade Courtney Yates With Mariano marinating in his missteps at the Ponderosa, it’s now a fight between self-styled Alpha males Russell and Coach for the hearts and minds of the villain women. Nobody saw Russell’s first season, but how long will it take them to realize the troll-like oilman was assigned to the villains for a reason? The merge apparently isn’t happening this week: The “surprise game-changer” can’t just be a personnel swap, can it? 8 p.m. Thursday. CBS.
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  • April 8, 2010, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Russseelllll!!!!

    by mongo126

    Probably going to be taken out by some Parvati blindside, but he is still the master.

  • April 8, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    I may stop watching after Russell is gone

    by FlandersBum

    Only a matter of time until his tribe wises up unfortunately. He's truly the only really interesting thing going on at the moment. Well....it might still be fun to see how the drama that is 'Coach' as well the more I think about it. Nobody on the Heroes tribe is even remotely interesting.

  • April 8, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Rob is such a bitch.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    The guy can't stop fucking whining and is the first one to turn on someone to call them weak or a baby. His parting shot to Coach was classless and without merit. Rob gave Jerri that big "You gotta do what you gotta do" speech that just screamed VOTE ME OFF THE ISLAND. He could have easily cemented Coach's loyalty with some warmth and Jerri was clearly just twisting in the wind, looking for someone for follow. It's his own fault for butting heads against Russell and not doing the work to keep his alliance together. Now that the prick is off the air, I can enjoy the show properly.<br><br> Coach is the best character this season. He was too goofy last season but he's reigned himself in and has become the most compelling character on the show--except Russell of course. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of Quiz Show like scandal where we find out Russel Hantz is a big Survivor plant.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:55 a.m. CST

    The big problem with these All-Stars

    by moorE12

    Is that most of these guys cannot recapture their former glory and they are mere shadows of what they were their first season. Rupert is an excellent example. I loved that guy in his first season like most people. Now, he just whines a lot and follows everyone else. I just hope Russel doesn't fall into the same pit.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Rob didn't make any missteps.

    by The Funketeer

    He played the game brilliantly as always. He was unfortunately, surrounded by morons. If Tyson had followed the plan, he and Rob would both be around and Coach was indeed a small man who wasn't man enough to pick a side. I think Rob might have respected him more if he'd actually voted for him instead of throwing his vote away thinking that made him somehow a better person.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Rob's "Little Man" comment:

    by TechLord

    Wasn't he talking to Russell when he said that? I never got the impression he was talking to Coach.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    liesandpicturesofalsolies

    by The Funketeer

    You're way off on Rob's conversation with Jerri. He wasn't conceding anything, he was trying to build her up and put the decision to stick with him in her head. Rewatch and see how many times he tells her she's smart and she knows what to do. It was passive aggressive manipulation. It didn't work for him but it was a smart tactic given that he knew she was leaning towards joining Russell. Everyone on the tribe other than Rob and Russell are indeed idiots. How they can view what he did with Parvati as honarable and not self serving is beyond me. He knew exactly what was going to happen when he played that idol and he kept Parv around because she's a follower and he knew Tyson would screw the pooch.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    "Little Man" comment

    by Vigilant

    The way Rob was pushing Coach away when he said it, I think it was directed at Coach.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH!

    by iamjoebu

    This just in- The Funketeer is Rob's gay lover. First thought to be Amber, Rob's coat-tail riding wife, "The Funketeer" was the name on the registry of the hotel where photos were discovered of him and Rob in heated shrimping action. That is all.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Funketeer, Rob made a big misstep -- He threatened Russell

    by SpyGuy

    Nobody threatens Russell and stays for long. NOBODY.

  • April 8, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    If they don't get rid of Russell...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Then they all deserve to get pitched into a fucking volcano.

  • April 8, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    FlandersBum

    by Acappellaman

    There's more than one reason to keep watching this season - Coach, Russell and Amanda. Coach for the drama and hilarity, Russell for the amazing strategy and bolcness, and Amanda's eye candy. She's the onyl reason to watch the Heroes. She's freaking GORGEOUS! I'm starting to wonder if the Heroes can still take this thing - the Villains are falling apart. Still, I'd love to see Russell win this season - he deserves it over anybody. He'd be much more likely to win the million if he makes it to the final two (or three, whatever it ends up being). The All-Stars should recognize how brilliantly he plays the game and reward that.

  • April 8, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    boldness, not bolcness. Only, not Onyl

    by Acappellaman

    Where's the freaking edit button already, AICN?!? I'd also love to stop making stupid typos, though.

  • April 8, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    The problem with Russell...

    by blackwood

    If he makes it to the final two, I have a hard time believing the jury will reward him for his smart gameplay instead of punishing him for hurting their feelings and getting ahead by any means necessary. I can't remember a season of Survivor where the 'villain' won (granted, I've only watched 11 of the 20 seasons), except Richard Hatch.<p>I want him to win, I think he's the most devious and clever player in the history of the game, but the final vote more often than not comes down to who pissed people off the least, not who played the best game. Which is why riding coat tails is such a viable strategy.

  • April 8, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    blackwood

    by Acappellaman

    Valid points, except for the coattails thing. In recent seasons, the coattaillers have been receiving less and less respect from the jury. If Russell were to get to the end with, say, Parvati and/or Candice, I seriously doubt they would give the million to one of the girls. Granted, it didn't work for him last season, so... who knows? I just hope Sandra doesn't win. She's such a boring player to watch. Out of everybody who's left, she's the one I dislike the most.

  • April 8, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Russel

    by Firedrake

    Even if Russell makes it to the end like last year, he'll never get a jury to vote for him. They are just never going to go for his "I deserve to win because I'm the best player ever" spiel. I disagree that he's the most devious and clever player ever. He's far more lucky than smart, and it hasn't hurt him that he's not up against really bright people in most cases. I will grant that he does play the heck out of the game though.

  • April 8, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Rob screwed up big-time

    by Misthaufen

    Rob should have never gone after Russell. If he just had gone and sacrificed Courtney (who is completely worthless anyway), Rob would still around to fit another day. Instead, he tried to take on Russell head-on and got owned. Russell has a better chance of winning with an All-Stars jury than with the jury of losers he had last time....

  • April 8, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Since they hinted against a merge in the ad...

    by Shermdawg

    ...it'll most likely be a shuffling of members.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Rob didn't make any missteps?!?! WRONG!!!

    by VanGoghX

    He obviously wasn't serious about winning. If he was he would have watched the prior seasons and learned about his opponents and their style of play. He would have known about Russel. Football players watch game tapes to learn about their opponents. Why would you walk in blind if you don't have to? Russel did his homework. The others are so vain that they couldn't be bothered to sit down for a couple of hours and watch the tapes from the prior shows.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    VanGoghX

    by dsback

    Since this seems to come up every week... might as well mention it again. Heroes vs Villains was filmed before Russell's season aired, so no one had any idea who Russell was or how he played.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    VanGoghX

    by Acappellaman

    Rob never had that chance with Russell since Russell's season didn't air until they were already filming Heroes Vs. Villains. However, finding Russell on the Villains team and getting the introduction Jeff gave him in the first episode, Rob should have known Russell was a player to watch out for. Still, Rob's strategy was solid assuming his alliance did as they were told. Tyson screwed up Rob's strategy completely, and last week Rob was pretty much out fo luck. He had to scramble as calmly as he could - he did the best he could with what he had to work with.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    The game-changer? SOMEBODY DIES!!!!!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • April 8, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Funketeer

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    I disagree, I don't think it was very smart. The aggression was too passive and he gave Jerri an out. "You gotta do what is best for you," to paraphrase, gives her permission to vote with Russell. No matter how much he compliments her, he doesn't listen to her. He doesn't listen to Coach either, he just tries to manipulate Coach's sense of loyalty without reciprocating any of Coach's warmth and leaves Coach feeling lost and conflicted.<br><br>Unrelated to Funketeer, the "You're a Little Man" comment was also classless and baseless, a parting shot to hurt Coach's feelings. Rob had no one to blame but himself. Coach was clearly not interested in voting Russell, he wanted to vote out a physically weak player. Rob just lashed out because he didn't get his way. Rob: bitch.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Oh, I already said my bit about Rob's comment

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Sorry, forgot I had complained about that already. Forgiveness, please, internet.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Blackwood

    by jtp8000

    Sandra and Parvati won and they are on the villians tribe (though the Sandra arguement is shaky). I think that an arguement can be made that if Brian Hiedek (winner Thailand), Jenna Morasca(winner Amazon) or Chris Daugherty(winner Vanuatu) were on this season they would all be in the villians tribe so Richard is not the only one.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    addressed to Coach

    by Himbo

    Rob gave a decent interview at http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-rob-boston-rob-mariano-on-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-10704.php <p> Indicated there was no hard feelings long term (as just a game) but wasn't going to let him off the hook immediately. <p> Guessing here: They won't do a full-on redraft; they let the first person to call it to switch Tribes to get a running start before the merge. <p> It is different than what I expected after last week. I figured dump Sandra, then Courtney and go 5 v 5 into merge.

  • April 8, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    jpt8000

    by blackwood

    I was referring 'actual' villians, like the schemers and plotters and decepticons. But even then, 1/4 of all wins were given to villains; it's more likely that the winner of Survivor will be someone who played a social game over a strategy game (not that social isn't a strategy...)

  • April 8, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Vindictive jury...

    by Cartagia

    Yes, the jury is usually people out the vote against those that hurt their feelings (Russel losing last season), BUT if there is anytime that people with actually vote for the player over the person, it would certainly be an All Stars season.<br><br> Also, why did Hatch have to get his ass thrown in jail? He would be great in the mist this year.

  • April 8, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    @Cartagia

    by blackwood

    I know you probably meant "He would be great in the mix this year" - but you made me think of Richard Hatch living in a pack of gorillas and that made me laugh.

  • April 8, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Cartagia

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Iirc, Richard Hatch didn't pay taxes on his million dollar win. He was under house arrest but after breaking the terms of his deal (by accepting payment for an interview) they threw his ass in jail for the remainder of his term.

  • April 8, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I've been thinking about what Tyson did.

    by jim

    While it didn't work in his favour, I do think it wasn't as dumb a move as it seemed. Of course this depends on two things: <p>1 - if the first vote had ended in a 3-way tie, and the idol wasn't played, who votes on the second ballot? Everyone or just those who didn't receive votes? On a 2-way tie, those who cast a second vote is limited to those who didn't receive votes on the first one. Since the two who did receive votes can only vote each other, their votes cancel each other's out, and they don't vote. However, in a 3-way tie, each of the tied tribemates has 2 options to vote for. For this reason I think, if there had been a 3-3-3 tie, everyone would vote again in the tie-breaking vote. <p>2 - Can the individual immunity idol be played on the second vote? Could Russell have not played it on the first vote, then played it after the second? <p>If the answer is "Yes, they all vote again", and "Yes, Russell could play his idol on the second vote", then Tyson, or Rob's alliance, was pretty much screwed whatever he did. <p>If Tyson had voted according to plan, and Russell hadn't used the idol, the first vote would have ended in a 3-way tie. They all vote again. However, if they tie again it goes to a tie-breaker. Could be a challenge, in which Tyson might lose and goes home. Or it might be the remaining players, the ones whose necks weren't on the chopping block pick stones and one of them goes home. Seeing as how Rob's alliance of 6 (minus Tyson) outnumbers Russell's alliance of 3 (less Parvati and Russell), odds are 5-1 that the person going home is in Rob's alliance (Rob, Courtney, Jerri, Coach, or Sandra). Doubtful many of them were willing to risk themselves for the sake of Tyson and quite possibly on that second ballot might have voted for the one person they knew was getting at least 3 votes and didn't have access to an immunity idol. <p>What was the plan if it ended in a 3-way tie? I got the impression (Rob said something about "It's Russell first, Parvati second") that if it came to a 3-way tie, they then all vote Russell. However, if they do that and he plays the idol, Tyson is gone. Even if they split the vote 4 for Russell, 2 for Parvati, it still means Russell's group can cast 3 votes for Tyson. <p>The possibility of being in a tribal council tie probably really sucks for any player, but even more so for a player in a 2-1 allliance. One vote is the difference between staying in the game and going home. I think Tyson recognized this and saw an opportunity to take his fate in his own hands instead of leaving it up to his allies and counting on them to not sell him out. After all, just one of the other 5 players in Rob's plan decides to flip and Tyson is gone. There are a lot of different ways that vote could have gone. I think many of them involve Tyson getting voted out (or, at least, Rob losing an ally).

  • April 8, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Love this show.

    by Jaka

    Love this season. Love that there seems to be an intelligent group of people watching and discussing it here at AICN. Looking forward to tonight's ep.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Hmm...

    by blackwood

    ...hmm...<p>Sandra pulls a fast one... wonder if Russell will buy it.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Russell is digging a grave

    by dsback

    Much more than last year... he is being too reckless and pissing off even his closest allies. Hope he stays on as long as possible, but unless he starts hunting down some hidden immunity idols, there's gonna be trouble for Russell.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    BOO

    by blackwood

    They should have kept Coach.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    ...and Russell is definitely getting wreckless.

    by blackwood

    C'MON SCENES FROM OUR NEXT EPISODE!

  • April 8, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Russell is either done...

    by dsback

    or he may have laid the foundation for his greatest move yet. If he can go into the merge having the Heroes tribe thinking its an all girl alliance and using that to gain an advantage... it could be quite the show. That is if his own tribe doesn't eat him alive first.

  • April 8, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Holy shit

    by dsback

    The stage could be set for something stunning after that preview.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    dsback

    by Kraven Morehead

    they like to mislead us in those promos so perhaps the stupid move is something russell does with that idol. i just can't see him getting the idol and doing something dumb with it. btw, is it just me or has all the food for the rewards been sort of crappy fast food and not appetizing as in years past.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by blackwood

    I love it. Love love love. Please, Heroes, do give poor Russell the idol.<p>I like that Russell signs his votes. That's class. I'm surprised he stuck with voting out Courtney, more surprised that the others chose Coach, but it all looks like everything could come up Russell in the end.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Russell can't hide that he's the leader

    by FrodoFraggins

    He's acting like everyone on the heroes will be oblivious to the fact that he's the kingpin. But that secret won't last more than 5 minutes after they merge.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Kraven Morehead

    by dsback

    Good point... I just don't know what Russell could do in one episode that would be that stupid... especially since it seems pretty clear that his goal is to go into the merge trying to make the Heroes think there is a girls alliance... which they should think. Lot can change though!

  • April 8, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    So what was the surprise game-changer?

    by fiester

    I didn't see it. Next week looks like a hell of a lot of stupid fun though if they really give Russell that immunity idol....

  • April 8, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Frodo

    by Jbud

    Exactly! And I don't see how they can count on an all-girl alliance fakeout for one second after a merge - any of the girls not involved with Russell/Parvati could immediately debunk the idea to the heroes. Including Jeri now that she saw that Russell's alliance voted out her ally Coach, even if Russell didn't vote that way himself. Russell voting for Courtney instead could have been a smart move for later if he needs to make a deal with Jeri though.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, what WAS the surprise game-changer?

    by Hercules

    theories?

  • April 8, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by OceanWang

    The only thing I could think of was no merge? But that's not really a game changer. More of a game staying the same???

  • April 8, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Pavarti....

    by Venkie007

    ....is an annoying cunt. Nowhere NEAR as annoying as Courtney though. **sigh**

  • April 8, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by dsback

    I guess it was Coach getting voted out.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Courtney looks like she was in a concentration camp

    by rainbowtrout1265

    She has to be one of the most unappealing people ever on the show.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Can somebody explain

    by OceanWang

    Why Russel voted Courtney and Danielle voted Coach? Shouldn't have been the other way around given their argument?

  • April 8, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Russell's biggest disadvantage

    by Jbud

    I'll bet that he played this season believing there was a strong likelyhood that the final votes from his first season went his way. I think his emotion and money offer at the last Survivor finale was a result of genuine surprise that that wasn't the case, not the result of knowing he was kicked out early in Heroes vs. Villains. So this season he believes that using the same strategy again (sticking with Parvati till the very end) is the way to go. It turned out to be his one main mistake the first time and it could bite him in the ass much sooner this time...that said, I hope he wins it all. Favorite player ever. Please please please let them give him the idol next week - TV gold!

  • April 8, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Game Changer

    by blackwood

    Maybe it was Danielle's secret alliance switch that they didn't talk about but was evident by the voting. But other than that I am stumped.<p>Even if the entire rest of the Villians tribe, which are now all women, lobby the Heroes to vote Russell off, that would play into the idea of the All Female Alliance the Heroes invented and Russell can spin it to his advantage. I hope they give him the idol. I love that no one these season watched his season before playing this game. I would love to have video of them watching his season as it aired, knowing him as they now do.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    jbud, say it isn't so!

    by Kraven Morehead

    i hope russell didn't make that offer last time because he departed early this time. with that said, the fact that he wrote his name his vote this time will most likely lock up coach's vote this time . . . unless of course coach feels one of the heroes is more warriorish, wizardish or some other character from dungeons and dragons. oh coach, how we will miss your color.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Game Changer

    by dannyd

    Coach is the first member of the jury you nit wits, that's the game changer..

  • April 8, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Great point Kraven

    by Jbud

    I didn't even think of the fact that Russell signing his votewould make Coach slightly more likely to vote Russell's way on the jury. Russ probably figured he'd never get Courtney's jury vote anyway, and knew how the others would be voting tonight, therefore knew his vote for Courtney would still result in Coach's ouster. Thus keeping his hopes of tricking the Heroes alive.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Game Changer was maybe

    by Jbud

    that this was the first time ever that a jury member was chosen before a merge? I'm not sure if that's the case but I think so

  • April 8, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Jury

    by dannyd

    That means that chances are it will be 3 in finals.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah what dannyd said

    by Jbud

  • April 8, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Once again, kudos to the camera men ...

    by Itchy

    who always like to shoot Amanda from the rear, and slightly below, to maximize her ass cleavage. And bravo to the editorial staff, who keeps arranging challenges involving oil and mud. Good thinking. By the way, the villains team is the biggest group of idiots I've ever seen.

  • April 8, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe

    by dsback

    they won't merge until one tribe has 3 left. Has that happened before?

  • April 8, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Itchy

    by Kraven Morehead

    You could not be more right about the editors and camera people on this show. Their footage of Amanda's rear is something so beautiful it cannot be expressed in words and makes your heart ache because of it.

  • April 8, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    That shot of Amanda...

    by BigTuna

    Scooping mud from her boobs was AMAZING!

  • April 8, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Russel is making the same mistake Lex did...

    by BigTuna

    in Survivor: All-Stars. Remember how Lex wanted to be "Bold" and knocked out all the favourites in his tribbe before the merge? One problem, he left himself as by far the biggest threat once they merged and he was gone.

  • Jeff, I assume, is the host, yes? So what did he do this past episode that was a game-changer? Nothing out of the ordinary. It was a straightforward show. There were no twists.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    I hate seeing Russell get played by Sandra

    by natecore

    looks like she has the Texas Gremlin figured out. it seems his arrogance will probably get the best of him.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    The boob shot of Amanda was nice, but

    by natecore

    i take it you missed the extremely graphic shot of her ducking under the barrier in the mud challenge. it was the most pornographic shot i've seen in survivor yet.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Russell is arrogant and paranoid.

    by fiester

    I would not be surprised if he's the next to go. The two girls plus Jerri would all vote for him, making it 3-3 vote. Maybe Danielle has had enough and flips on him as well. But if the Heroes give him that immunity idol, or if he finds another one, he keeps coasting along...all the sweeter when that two-faced Parvarti ultimately betrays him. And she will. Watch.

  • April 8, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    The surprise game-changer

    by IndyCollector

    Was no merge. Jeff's little "Drop your...expectations" (instead of saying bandanas) when the villains thought there was going to be a merge is the so-called game-changer. Survivor is good at making big promotions out of nothing. The promo for next week says J.T. could be making the dumbest move in Survivor history but I'm sure it won't be.

  • April 8, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    natecore you're right, that shot of Amanda was awesome

    by BackRiverCatfish

    Thank God for DVR! That angle left almost nothing to the imagination!

  • April 8, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Russell is still the best player I've seen...

    by exie

    ...yes, he's a madman and he's pissing everyone off, but how smart is he to realize JT is reaching out to him with his "hang in there" silent moment and realize what that means to him strategically. <p> That said, if JT gives him the idol it will go down as the dumbest move in show history. <p> I also think Russell didn't write Coach's name down because he suspected the jury was starting that night and wanted to appear to be with Coach and not against him. Russell learned from last season he needs votes in the end. I think that's part of the reason he apologized to Danielle tonight. He knows he needs her to write his name down to win the million. <p> If Russell and Parvati (not saying they are, I have no inside info) are in the final though, I don't know how Parvati doesn't win again. <p> And Amanda's cameltoe shot tonight was pretty fucking awesome.

  • April 8, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    not the best episode this season, but still damn good!

    by HarryWannaBe

    As for the "game-changer"...(granted, this is only the second season I've ever watched) I think that there won't be a merger at all (if that's possible, again, kind of a rookie fan here). But think about it...it's "Heroes Vs. Villains", if the two tribes merge then there are no "heroes" or "villains" since they'd be on the same side, albeit they'd each be working/fighting for individual immunity. That and given the preview for next week (whether or not it's misleading in terms of it being a stupid move by J.T.)...it seems like even next week there won't be a merger because it sounds like J.T. has to "sneak" just to talk to Russell to give him the idol (perhaps giving it to him somehow during one of the challenges when both teams are present), where as if there were a merger, him and Russell talking wouldn't be as "sneaky". Other than all that though...I'm hoping Russell finds out that Sandra played him (even though he didn't end up voting her way) and then he turns the attack on her...she's even more useless than Courtney and ten times as annoying!

  • April 9, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    the all girl alliance illusion is pretty smart

    by ParagonComplex

    I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but it's really smart to make the other tribe think you're on the outs. I don't like JT at all. Not even a little bit. I didn't watch his season so I'm pretty flabbergasted how that little twerp won.

  • April 9, 2010, 1:34 a.m. CST

    HarryWannaBe

    by Shermdawg

    No merge is very possible. Steph's entire tribe was whittled away in Palau.

  • April 9, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Ok, let's say there's no merge...

    by Shermdawg

    I usually hold off until the finally, but assuming that was indeed the "game changer", my ultra early prediction is... <br><br> Villains get raped in challenges. Elimination order: Courtney, Jerri, Russell, Sandra, Parvati, Danielle. <br><br> Danielle goes to Heroes. Candice and Amanda's plan to flush out the Idol takes effect, JT doesn't use it, and is voted out.<br><br> Danielle is next to go given six members of the jury would be Villains. Now, Candice, most likely would go next, but something in my gut is telling me she's gonna wind up in the final three, so I'm gonna pick her over Amanda due to a surprise immunity win, leaving her along with Rupert and Colby to battle it out for the million. <br><br> Pretty boring, I know, but evenly matched. <br><br> Well... that is, if the girls don't automatically side with Candice. <br><br> "I'll tally the votes." I can see Coach siding with Colby. "1 vote for Colby". Courtney would probably vote Candice. "1 vote Colby, 1 vote Candice." Jerri....y'know, even though they apparently hate each other, I think she'd still vote for Colby. I mean, she's no fan of Rupert either after that shitty flooded structure he tried to make in Allstars, and then him rough housing her in the challenge where James messed up his leg. But it'd be a bit of a storybook finish to her and Colby's Survivor careers since I doubt they'll be back for another. "2 votes Colby, 1 vote Candice." Russell, I'd put money on this, will have the most quotable jury moment since Susan Hawke....or at least that evil Karen Allen-lookin' bitch who shat on Sugar in Gabon...and will side with Candice. "2 votes Colby, 2 votes Candice." Sandra will vote for her Pearl Islands castmate, Rupert. "2 votes Colby, 2 votes Candice, 1 vote Rupert." Which may be, the first time three people scored at least one vote in a finale, I can't remember. Parvati will do the same as Sandra and Jerri and vote for her castmate Candice, and the whole "girl power" thing. "2 votes Colby, 3 votes Candice, 1 vote Rupert." Danielle will vote for Candice. "2 votes Colby, 4 votes Candice, 1 vote Rupert." JT will side with Colby. "3 votes Colby, 4 votes Candice, 1 vote Rupert." <br><br> God, I hope this really happens, imagine being on the verge of having the first tie in Survivor finale history. I don't know where they're holding it this season, but would a fire making challenge be approved for the Ed Sullivan Theater, or wherever they are in L.A.? I guess with all the tiki torches and fire pits, it'd have to be, but it'd be amusing if something went wrong (if no one got hurt) and it caused The Late Show to postpone the following day's taping. "Did you see or touch any monkeys?" "No, but we burnt down your stage." <br><br> Oh, wait a second, that chick don't work there anymore... <br><br> Yeah, but, like I was saying, how awesome would it be to be on the verge of a tie? Pretty fucking awesome. <br><br> Unfortunately, it won't happen. Amanda will vote for Candice or Rupert, and Candice, of all people, will follow Amber and Parvati as people you'd never expect to win an allstar editions of Survivor. <br><br> I know I'm wrong though. I always am.

  • April 9, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    *finale

    by Shermdawg

  • April 9, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST

    More likely

    by Auriellis

    With all the footage on Russell and Pavarti, they will make the finals. Not sure who the third will be at this point but I'll bet on another villain, maybe Jerri or Sandra. If it's Jerri it's because of the alliance. If it's Sandra, it's because she won the immunity and couldn't be voted out and naturally Pavarti and Russell would band together to get the 4th person out.

  • April 9, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST

    The problem with the all girl alliance for Russell

    by Itchy

    is that if they don't merge next week, those girls are going to put their heads together and decide that actually sounds like a pretty good idea ... and vote his ass out.

  • April 9, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I will laugh

    by optimus122

    If JT gives that idol away. I just don't see him being that stupid. He may TELL his tribe mates thats what he is doing with it then hold onto it for himself especially if they never merge the rest may never know until he plays it. If Rus is voted off he can say the dude was stupid to not use the idol he gave him..Amanda is fricken so damn hot. What a fantastic ass on her. Just long and lean with nice breasteses...

  • April 9, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Herc, proof Courtney knew Russell

    by the__natural74

    It was always a question among my friends if any of the Heroes & Villains would know who this Russell Hantz was, and assumed they wouldn't. But I found this video on EW where Courtney helps interview last season's castoff Ashley.<br><br> It says this interview was from October, so I assume it was before she left to film this season. Courtney may not have known Russell's Idol dominance at this point (they should just rename the hidden idol the Hantz), but she certainly trademarked her "gap-toothed little hobbit" opinion! Haha!<br><br> I found this interesting anyway. http://tinyurl.com/courtney-knows-russell

  • April 9, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    You guys really havent seen the boot order?

    by gooseud

    The one that leaked before the season? Interesting.......

  • April 9, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Probst interview

    by Himbo

    States the gamechanger is the lack-of-merge. Gave some clarity. I never saw Thailand. <p> http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/09/jeff-probst-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-ep-8/#more-63340 <p> My wife has commanded me to find the 'Ponderosa' videos if Jeri is sacked. She hopes there will be some Jeri/Coach love blooming.

  • April 9, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    boot order

    by INWOsuxRED

    Hasn't there been fake boot orders online going all the way back to the very first season? They usually start off accurate and then fall apart at some point. Not that I want to know what this one says, but even if I were to read it, I would not bet that it stays accurate till the end.

  • April 9, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Courtney, Kenny, Dragon Slayer Jerri

    by the__natural74

    Courtney on Russell before Heroes vs. Villains:<br><br> "He's a sneaky little bastard.", "He's a teeny little nugget.", and this gem "He looks like an ogre trying to be K-fed." In Courtney's world, that's all she really needed to know about Russell.<br><br> I wish they had brought back Kenny from Gabon instead of Randy or Sugar. He was a far better player and great strategist. Randy & Sugar were pretty useless, and were non-threats in Gabon too.<br><br> Sad to see Coach go, from a pure entertainment standpoint, but the guy just refused to play this game effectively. His game play can be visually re-created by his attempted basketball shots last week. A weak, limp, airball that came up way too short.<br><br> And all this talk from Probst and the show's editors on a Dragon Slayer romance with the Black Widow...wasn't there a Mrs. Coach specifically shown to the world at his Tocantins Reunion show?<br><br> And for the first time EVER, I actually like Jerri. She made a play and took out Rob, plus the chick has been roughed up in challenges. First Rupert hooks her head and nails a running bulldog into the turnbuckle, then Colby elbows her out of his way chasing a ball last week! I laughed so hard, and had to rewind and watch several times as she was dunked hard by her old nemesis!

  • April 9, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Anybody that still thinks Courtney is hot has serious issues

    by SpyGuy

    The skeletal poster child for anorexia nervosa can barely fucking stand, let alone compete now. All she's capable of doing is rolling her eyes and acting snotty and snarky about everything while doing absolutely nothing. And how bad do you think Probst would love to tell her to STFU after her little "Jeffrey..." remark?

  • April 9, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Thanks Himbo for the reminder about Ponderosa videos

    by jim

    I guess since Coach is Jury member #1, we finally get our first Ponderosa video for this season. <p>The Heroes may be a strong team now but good gravy, not the smartest group to ever play this game. Yes, on the surface, it's a nice theory that the Villains is controlled by an all-female alliance. However, it's one thing to speculate on this, it's quite another to build your post-merge strategy around this assumption. I was waiting for just one person to put forward the notion that, maybe, the reason why only men have been voted off the tribe is due to the quintet of alpha males butting heads and taking each other out. Heroes just found an immunity idol. Did it not occur to any of them that the other tribe, who has won more reward challenges, may also have had a clue and already found theirs, and even played it? That maybe Rob or Tyson went home not because they were outnumbered gender-wise but because an idol was played by a shrewd or lucky player. <p>I'm sure when they see that Coach is gone it will only confirm in their minds that the all-women alliance is the power over there. Hopefully what we saw in the preview is just a conversation that quickly gets quelled due to its absolute idiocy. To give an idol to anyone on the other tribe, based solely on a guess about what's going on over there, is really moronic. To seriously consider giving their idol to the last man standing in an otherwise female-filled tribe, and without wondering if maybe there's a reason why he is the last man standing, is so very stupid. <p> If they do that I think it will go right to the top of all-time stupidest Survivor moves ever. It's one thing for a player to do something stupid (not play one of two idols on the third-last vote it can be used), or make a moronic move in the heat of the moment (being shamed into giving up individual immunity right before the vote). However, for a tribe to discuss and come to a consensus not only to hand over immunity to the enemy but come up with and execute a plan to do so, is truly an idiotic event. <br>Number of Players Involved + Time it Takes to Execute Plan = Dumbest Move Ever!

  • April 9, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Boot ORder

    by gooseud

    Yeah I wish you were right, I hate and avoid spoilers like the plague, but Probst writes a great blog on EW about the episodes, and some douchenozzle spoiled the whole season. I was hoping it wasnt right, but he called the Tyson elimination before it happened (virtually impossible) and basically said that if your a Boston Rob fan, your going to hate this season, so.......yeah.

  • April 9, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Althought it IS fun

    by gooseud

    knowing how the season is GOING to uunfold, and seeing how people kinda project what they WISH would happen onto their viewings of the show, versus whats ACTUALLY happening

  • April 9, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    the__natural74 & SpyGuy

    by Shermdawg

    I've always had a soft spot for Jerri, and I'm pulling for her to win this, but I know there's little to no chance of that happening now. But yeah, glad she finally paid Rob back for the shit that went down with Lex in Allstars. <br><br> Regarding Courtney, yes, the girl needs to eat, badly, but I don't know, I kinda dig her personality, and for those saying she's not "hot", they aren't looking from the neck up. The girl is stunning. She's a better looking blonde version of Winona Ryder. And those eyes of hers, are incredible. But yeah, sickeningly thin, that girl is.

  • April 9, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Coach's ranting about Rob being voted off

    by jim

    just goes to show how delusional he is. He's been on the show twice, but has yet to grasp how the game is played. He is responsible for Rob going home and, as a result, his own exit. But somehow it's everyone else's fault, they are the "fools".

  • April 9, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg, Courtney's the kind of girl

    by jim

    who looks best fully dressed. Not sure one can qualify as "hot" if it's based solely on the face. Cute? Yes. Pretty? Sure. But hot? I think that's got to be the whole package, or like Roger Maris' home-run record for so many years, must be accompanied by an asterisk.<p>"Courtney sure is hot*"<br>*from the neck up<p><br> What's the opposite of "Butterface"?

  • April 9, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    There was no surprise game-changer

    by Xaximus

    CBS lied. I wouldn't think they'd be that desperate for ratings.

  • April 9, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Too much woman's alliance talk and game-changing

    by Jaka

    Was the game changer that there WASN'T a merge? Did I miss something else? *shrug*<br><br>I think both sides made a HUGE mistake in discussing a woman's alliance so much. No need to put the idea of that obvious voting advantage in their heads. Regardless, I'm expecting a lot of women around through the end of this season.

  • April 9, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Courtney

    by Jaka

    Is too damn skinny! I actually gives me the creeps - gotta look away. Her face is cute, her body is anafreakin'rexic.

  • April 9, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I'm saying though, if she'd get her weight up...

    by Shermdawg

    ...she'd definitely qualify.

  • April 9, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Courtney's SO not hot

    by MasterBatse

    She's annoying as hell, I think that's why she as a scar next to her mouth, she annoyed the wrong person and they burnt her with a cigarette

  • April 9, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Non Survivor related

    by dsback

    but I've noticed that it seems like the only reason I come to AICN anymore is for Coaxial News. Keep up the good work Herc!

  • April 9, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Courtney has a great face

    by Kraven Morehead

    but a body like a eight year old boy. Probst should have told her that when she pulled that "Jeffrey" crap. I don't even like to see Jeff get wet when it rains.

  • April 9, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Opposite of Butterface...

    by dj_bollocks

    ...is Butterbody shurely ?

  • April 9, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Courtney is an all around wreck

    by Itchy

    I like skinny girls, sure, but that bitch looks like she'd gain four pounds if you jizzed in her mouth.

  • April 9, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by the__natural74

    Jerri definitely realized she needed to do SOMETHING, while Coach seemed surprisingly unmoved by Russell's attempts to win him over. The Knights of the Round Table episode when Russ appealed to Coach's pride by showing him the idol seemed like it would bring him on board, yet nothing. Then Russell directs his loyalty play to protect Parv right at Coach, and while he gleefully smiled at the attention, yet again Coach didn't seem to fully buy into Russell.<br><br> Jerri seemed to be frustrated and puzzled by Coach's unwillingness to commit, so hopefully (for Russell's sake) she doesn't hold this vote against her new alliance. She was promised final 4, so if she sticks with them they'll probably keep her around.<br><br> Yet another great move by Russell, signing his vote for Courtney, seemed to be a final attempt to appeal to Coach. It seemed to work as he gave a goodbye and smile to Russell along with a hug to Jerri. Another example of Hantz thinking of every aspect of the game with the first jury member!

  • April 9, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Courtney is way too thin.

    by fiester

    Camera adds 10 pounds remember so she must look even thinner in person. I keep expecting the medics to swoop in and declare her unfit to continue. Seriously. She looks like she's about to die from starvation.

  • April 9, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Jeff’s "surprise game-changer" is code for him whipping it out

    by AzulTool

    How many of you motherfuckers wanna see my hidden immunity idol?

  • April 10, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Anybody who thinks Courtney is hot...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    needs to really ask themselves why they find flat-chested, skeletal women attractive. Seriously. Take all the things that CAN make a woman hot... and Courtney has NONE of them. She's got an all right face, sure, but she's just too damn thin. It's gross.

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